20 Episode results for "Zander"

Awakening to Our Authentic Selves and Families

The Doctor's Farmacy with Mark Hyman, M.D.

09:02 min | 1 year ago

Awakening to Our Authentic Selves and Families

"So when one of the things i didn't get you talk about integrity and i think that means different things to different people but for me. It's about being aligned lined in every place in who you are <hes> so that you're not compartmentalize. You're not telling different stories to different people. You are <hes> in integrity not just with other people but with yourself in a way that allows you to feel free because if you're if you're not integrity whether it's not not actually following what you really want in life or whether it's lies you're telling yourself for lies and you're telling people it creates a level of an wellness wellness. It creates a little spiritual and ultimately physical sickness and i think they're connected hi. I'm k- pearl at one of the producers of the doctors pharmacy z podcast spiritual health is an essential yet often forgotten component to our health and happiness dr ayman recently spoke with his friend and life coach lauren zander her about the importance of attending to our spiritual health through a focus on personal integrity and connection to our authenticity most of us aren't connected connected to how to be fully expressed full human and that is really the magic of your work and it's not something that we really take on as humans we sort of go through our lives is in a way that's pretty unconscious. Most of us or we pack things away and little boxes corners and rooms. We never go in and it eats at us and it does allow us to have vibrant healthy. Alive connected lives that lead us towards things that are important to us whether it's the work we want to do whether it's love. We wanna have whether it's the money any we wanna get and it's it's pretty special stuff. It's not it's not easy but it's sort of the missing piece for a lot of people people and i encourage everybody who's listening to think about the areas of their life where they're not an integrity where they're not telling the truth where they're not exorbitantly happy where they maybe a three or four instead of eight or nine or ten on their scale of where they are in that area of their life and how do they. How do they work through that. Because most of us don't have the tools so first first of all i teach personal integrity right and it's an ability to really have your thoughts your actions and your feelings aligned signed with your highest self with what you really which wished to be true for you about life right like no one's coming to save you accept you and no one's coming to live of your ideals except you. I'm not offering you my ideals. I'm offering you your ideals. What are they once. You get past where you've trapped yourself. Life can get very fun and spiritual and and one of my lines. Is you know i need rainbows. Things is the it really emphasized for me. Which is if you are clear about what you want if you set your intention if you sort of align everything inside of you toward that goal or purpose or dream and you're and you're doing it for the right reasons that stuff happens it shows up magic occurs. You know what do you call them. Mcgilla magic. It's all the time where you have serendipity and the things that actually start to flow and you in the state of flow in your life which is way more fun and allows house so much more possibility our values and personal truths keep us grounded in integrity and able to be present and connected to our authentic selves doctor. I'm in further further explored this topic and how it extends to our family relationships in conversation with clinical psychologist and author dr shefali. We'll talk about authentic life because you write a lot about it. You speak speak a lot about it. I don't know if people know what that means. How do you live authentic life honeybee earth and excel what does that mean. Most of us are not on a path of spiritual awakening opening. Most of us have been diluted to believe that the material world of form is it. We go to work make money. We drive a car. We see a few friends. We eat. We sleep rotate and repeat right many of us who have broken out of that paradigm and that cycle to ask deeper questions who who am i. Why am i here. What is my purpose and those spiritual seekers begin to realize that there's a world of form yes but we don't need to be limited by this world form and then we begin to penetrate all the things that culture has oppressed us with all the ways we think we should be all the midst we've followed and all these institutions we've been buried under and we begin to break free and deconstruct and let go as we keep putting on labels and holding onto them because we believe that's who we are in order to be in the world we go further and further away from spacious awareness and moving with fluidity and flow because we're always <hes> quagmire by the role the role of husband the role of wife role of parent that becomes its own crazy tenacious identification education. Many parents screw up not because they're really not smart or not. Wise is because they want to be a good parent right but there's a whole trapped up there because they want they want. I want so. I want to be a good parent. It's all identification with a role versus. Just been present for who your kid is yeah. That's an important statement you just being present for kids because there may not be who you want them to be or dream name for them to be hard as a parent right. How did you because we're believing we need to lead our children to success wearing control control. The spiritual parent conscious conscious span understands. There is no control. There's no one to lead. There's no future. It's all in the present. There is no good or bad all conditioned. It's only the self that that needs to be raised in a family man you you'd say in terms of family values of what these are our family values. We believe we should be authentic. We should be if you have a spouse. Who's on the same page. That's very rare so you you just basically that's why i say it's all about one any one parent who wishes to awaken and that's the family one parent one child. Don't wait for your mother-in-law dough whitfield siblings. Don't get permission from your parents. More your spouse or your partner right now. This is about you. A weakened self or in a week and family is endeavouring to be authentic. This is not about a family that all does everything together. Hello everyone believes the same things about each one being authentic so the parent has to be able to withstand that right. The second thing is to let go of egyptians of good and bad right. There is no good child. There is no batch out. Every child is endeavouring to be the most revealing self and if they can't it's because we haven't created the conditions so the parents always turns a spotlight within. How is this moment showing up for me to evolve. What does this say about my childhood wounds. What does it say about my projection so daring behrendt is always turning it around to let me examine myself. Let me detached from my expectations. Let me release my control. Let me surrender let mutune to what my child is really say so constant practice leading off good and bad training of the mind really right 'cause minds senator so minding lind exactly conditioned condition habitually addicted based on child ways of being right based on childhood patterns ernst and cultural conditioning and you want to deconstruct that the breadth brings you in the present moment. The breath is the intermediary between the external and the internal the breath is impermanent stitches. You the law of impermanent the brightest transient the brightest in the now the breakfast you know in and out constantly making you go inward and outward the breath is accompanying u everywhere so you have no excuse to not be on the breath and that in essence is meditation is just about being in the presence so into the present wherever you are yeah it's powerful by attending to our spiritual health and letting go of toxic expectations that stand in the way of real authentic in loving relationships with ourselves and and with each other we are doing important work to prevent treat inhale disease. Thank you for tuning into this many episode of the doctors pharmacy until next time be well <music> hi everyone. I hope you enjoyed this week's episode just a reminder that this podcast is for educational purposes. Only this podcast is not a substitute for professional care by a doctor or other qualified medical professional. This podcast is provided on the understanding standing that it does not constitute medical or other professional advice or services. If you're looking for helping your journey seek out a qualified medical practitioner. If you're looking for a functional medicine practitioner practitioner you can visit ifm dot org and search. They're fine a practitioner database. It's important that you have someone in your corner. Who's trained who's a licensed healthcare practitioner and can help. You make changes especially when it comes to your health.

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Fully Equipped | Xander Schauffelles Driver and a Major Announcement from True Tempers Don Brown

GOLF.com Podcast

46:38 min | 1 year ago

Fully Equipped | Xander Schauffelles Driver and a Major Announcement from True Tempers Don Brown

"And welcome back to golf dot coms fully equipped podcast presented by TRU SPEC all this is tim beyond ear with John Wall. Hey John has gone trust I am I am doing great. We <hes> we've got a lot to impact from from this last week from from the open championship. I'm really looking forward to get into it. I think we got kickings off by by talking about our open picks nor go deep into the equipment changes the open and go into what I arguably think is the biggest story from from the open championship Zander Shaw Fleas admitting that his driver that he was using was deemed illegal by Rene get into a little bit about a Fedex Saint Jude and in a big interview with some news I think will <hes> will be important to even the average golfer out there. Absolutely it's GONNA be. It's the big week on fully equipped a lot to go over so let's get right into it which you mentioned the Open Championship. You know unfortunately I probably didn't. I didn't really think thoroughly through my pick. I picked Tommy Fleetwood as as you know and I thought I should've thought a little bit better. You know there's no way that an Englishman is going to go on Irish soil that the any of those Irish players we're GonNa let an Englishman win on their turf so probably should've seen that one coming but <hes> how about your pick John Hunter pick. Do you know see I knew you were going to bring this up him and and I was going to try and let it slide. Neither one of US pick the winner last week but <hes> yes you did you picked the better guy picked. Zanesha flea played pretty well for for for most of the tournament and then <hes> hit the button <hes> when when a mattered yen and one other thing to note on the open championship you know I looked through the list of all the folks that played well and competed well something that somebody brought up to me yesterday <unk>. It's no secret you know that coming down on Sunday we see a couple of strips on players playing so well. <hes> you know strips on those irons that that strict on makes their some of the best irons in the game but it's it's it's interesting that those products tend to be on the lower end of the spectrum when it comes to spend characteristics you know you look at players. That's been the ball too much in they typically profile for those tricks on irons <hes> and so considering the conditions yesterday considering the conditions throughout most most of the week there with the wind and all the stuff that those guys have to deal with to see irons in play that tend to have a little bit more flight control characteristic with some spin control wasn't surprising at all. That's kind of a inch might one of my interesting takeaways from the week. I'd be curious what your takeaway US I. I absolutely love that nugget right there Tim <hes> because it's not even something that I thought about was was the spin characteristics on those irons you know I I've always thought of as one of the sneakier equipment brands out. There love absolutely loved their equipment <hes> especially their irons but but you're right. That's the perfect recipe especially. When you're talking about irons at flight control we saw from Shane Lower I he led the field and Greens and regulation at report rush so he was definitely in control of those irons all week long but but yeah that's a great way to look at it especially when when we're trying to look at things equipment lenses is it's not just so much about the gear and the guy's hands but it's also about the flight characteristics to spin characteristics in how those can help benefit player at a golf course like port rushing? We certainly saw from Shane all week. <hes> he was head and shoulders the best player out there I know he kinda struggled during stretches during the final round but but he looked in control of his game for I would say almost seventy two holes. He never looked like he was stressed. Out There Teddy. I mean all seventy two holes easy looked pretty comfortable it. was you know for first time major winner granted he did. I'd have a five shot lead through most of Sunday but you know when things were going his way on Saturday I never saw him look stressed and that's interesting for a first time major winter yeah but he definitely was not. I think that's what I really loved about about Shane. was you know I it's so tough especially in this day and age when you're an athlete really let people in because you're not quite sure what kind of reaction you're going to get <hes> but but Shane showed a lot of vulnerability all week with with the media he really talked about how he he sat down with his caddy and told him look I am terrified. Either this situation I do not WanNa screw up and you rarely hear players kind of talk like that. Let you in a little bit in in get to see some of the demons that they're battling during the week of a major championship especially for him playing hang on home soil so I I loved that about him in and I think you saw just in the celebrations he was soaking at all but but yet he may not have looked like he was nervous but but you could definitely tell especially after that fat tee shot on one on Sunday a little bit of a snap Hook with the iron you could tell there were some serious butterflies going on but but the smile on his face it looked like he was trying to soak in the moment definitely so I can't let you off the hook here John. Let's go back to Zander. I would liked to think that you have more inside knowledge out on tour than most folks when it comes to equipment and your Zander pick was a little a little interesting considering how US inside information you didn't happen to get tip that. He was playing a hot driver. Did you tim you're you're. You're just you're twisting the knife a little bit but this is this is a great segue into as already said is in the lead off. You know arguably the biggest story in my opinion I do. I think it was the biggest story coming out of the open championship and for those who have been hiding under a rock in again if you're listening to this pocket she probably already know what's going on but just to give you a little bit of a refresher. The aren a last last year decided to start testing randomly thirty drivers during the week of the Open Championship in two thousand eighteen. They confirm that all thirty drivers past none of the drivers were were deemed to be illegal in the way that these drivers are either deemed to be illegal or to be legal is through what they call the C. T.. It's called the characteristic a time and again. I am am too much of a dunce to be able to talk about. This accurately saw l.. Let the professor deal with this. Can you just kind of clue people in what what the heck you see T. Why does it matter for a driver? What what is the R._A.? Looking for when they're doing these tests so in the early two thousand starring the proliferation the driver design drivers started to get hotter and hotter and hotter and so the governing bodies U._S._G._A.. Darnay said wait. We have to do something about this. All these golf courses that have existed for decades and decades are going to be obsolete if these folks are hitting the ball one hundred yards so they started up a limitation on how springy or how hot the club face was in that was a CR Test Coefficient of restitution the way that that test was performed. They'd get the golf club. Put it in a vice so to speak fire golf ball all at the face of the club <hes> aim the golf ball at the hottest part of the face <hes> where the C._G.. was and they would fire the ball at one hundred miles an hour and if shot back any faster than eighty six miles an hour which is eighty six percent of the kinetic energy the club had prior to impact than the club would be deemed illegal. <hes> one of the issues with this is that it's not very easy to run a C._O._O.. Our Test <hes> I'm not sure if you've seen a ball cannon but they're pretty big and they're not very reportable so a few years back the governing body said wait a minute. We need to be able to apply this test out in the real world just like they did <hes> for the British open and <hes> so we have to get away from using a ball cannon so they went to this characteristic mystic time test what characteristic time tests is how long basically they get a pendulum so to speak that has a ball paying on the end of it and that all paying pendulum swings down to the face of the club and there's a certain amount of time that that Ball Ping stays in connection with the face of the club. The idea is that if the face of the club is flexing that the Ball Ping will stay on the face for longer periods of time than if it will rebound right away because the face doesn't flex and so this is a way for <hes> the governing bodies to measure how fast or how hot the cub faces what they're measuring as the amount of time that that Ball Ping stays connected to the face and they're measuring in microseconds. Just say that again Tim microseconds seconds were not microseconds second tier this seconds this is a fraction of this is a fraction of a second it so by definition microseconds or you know millionth of a second so when we're talking about two hundred thirty nine microseconds that's two hundred thirty nine millions of a second that that ball paying is connected with the face the higher the C. T. number the more springing the faces. Unfortunately you do get to a point where the faces deemed illegal. Where it's it's too hot? <hes> where there's a mechanism in the rebounding of that face that's actually enhancing boss speed beyond what the player put into the ball with with their club had speed and so that limitation <hes> is actually eighteen microseconds seconds higher than the limit which is two hundred thirty nine so all of the manufacturers are are shooting for maximum C._T. of two fifty seven and they obviously know that they can't go higher than to fifty seven or the club will be deemed illegal <hes> but just that everybody understands you know they. The manufacturer may make batch of one hundred heads and maybe only one of those hundred heads ends up coming out just a fraction above the C. T. limitation <hes> so then the next next question to ask is well how much advantage zander potentially gaining from a club that's a few C._t.. points higher than regulate Ackley and the reality is if the if the C. T. is you know ten or fifteen microseconds higher fire. Maybe that ball comes off a mile an hour or two miles an hour faster <hes> every mile an hour of ball speeds worth about two and a half yards so if we're talking one or two mile an hour faster boss beat off the face. You're talking you know four I five yards. That's clearly not a distinct advantage. You know it's if you're in between something between four iron and a five yeah exactly if you're in between four and five and you can hit a five now instead of the four that's clearly in advantage but it's not like having illegal illegal driver was causing him to hit forty yards further. You know Zander's very high speed player. You expect him to hit very long drives and he does. There's nothing about the distance that he hits the ball. That's disproportionate to how how fast he swings so I think this is just a case of having driver. That was a couple couple ticks over the legal limit. It wasn't really providing tremendous performance advantage to him so to speak <hes> just an unfortunate situation and unfortunately had to set the weekend now. Let me ask you a couple of questions Tim these. These are things that I've been thinking about that. Concern me a little bit. You know I heard <hes> somebody within industry told me that one of the drivers that failed was at point two five eight now as. As you mentioned the the C T limit is point two three nine but with the tolerance is being what they are you can get it all the way up two point two five seven so we're talking about point zero zero one above the legal limit. You're gonNA calibrate these machines gene how much could human error or just not calibrating how much Cadad- affect a C. T. machine when you're doing these tests it definitely could. I'm sure that you know with what's at stake involved with us. I mean this is a big money decision to disqualify player especially one as a skilled zander who was probably going to compete in the event at some level so I'm sure they probably recalibrated their tools tested again. I'm sure they tested more than once. You know any sound <hes> the club testing you have to be able to repeat your results so if you get a certain finding under a certain test protocol you have to be able to repeat it over and over and over for it to be valid finding so I'd have to think that if they did find something that was even as miniscule alias point zero zero one if it was point zero zero one microseconds you know illegal. I'm sure that they would have gone back through in tested a second. Maybe even third time recalibrated their tools because by the time that they went to both calloway and Zander with this information they would've wanted to be one hundred percent certain that their findings were accurate because they know that there would be big blow back on it. So in this case I would say that human error in calibration is probably down to a minimum but I mean we are talking about out you know hundred fifty nine microseconds as opposed to two hundred fifty eight. That's pretty razor thin line right there. You know it should be pointed out here folks. That zander wasn't the only one who had a driver that failed the test during the week <hes> he actually came out and called out manufacturers. ZANDER plays a calloway driver but he also said that he had heard that a p._H._d.. Driver failed the test. I'd actually heard through the rumor mill again in the Arnaiz. Never going to corroborate any of this but I'd heard that it was four drivers actually failed the test P._X.. G did go on the record and say that they only had one driver tested by the way it was billy or shells in pass so clearly what Zander was saying <hes> was not completely accurate but a did find interesting that he was actually discussing uh some other manufacturers that may have <hes> potentially failed the test which also brings me to my next question Tim which is this you know as manufacturer especially when we're talking about guys out onto or are trying to get players driver as close to that point two five seven as possible. That's when that driver is being tested what people don't see is that after you continue to hit that driver after it's been given the okay it actually gets hotter the longer that that you use it. You know what you know again. We're just kind of play. You Know Your Tour Commissioner now professor beyond to our commissioner. I know it's a job you probably always wanted to have him but <hes> but seriously <music> <hes> it's I mean what what is. What are you Kinda do with with all this? We've now had an issue with the Rene at the open championship with a driver that was deemed to be legal. <hes> I mean. Where do we go from here this? I don't really feel that you can kind of put the genie back in the bottle. Pandora's box has been opened this last week in. I think this is something we need to discuss. What what do we need to do to make sure that the drivers at these players are using our legal on a week to week basis? I mean it would be really tough to do testing every week but it almost seems like I mean do you have to do it. You couldn't really test every driver when guys get on the T. but <hes> it seems like you would almost need to just to make sure everybody was playing by the rules. Yeah you make you you bring up a great point but you know how offer this suggestion to you know the folks that compete out on the world long drive tour before every round their stuff is tested in there and there's not nearly as much money at stay more endorsement -dorsements contracts are all the other stuff that that's at stake so if if they're testing the equipment that every single one of these world long drivers using before they get up there and blast away in considering what's at stake on the big tours cores these days regardless of whether it's p._G._A.. Or you know European tour or you know the Korn ferry tour or the L._p._G._A.. There's so much money it's so much at stake you almost have to think that there has to be a way for them to <hes> to test every single club in the field. There's gotta be week. There's gotta be a way to do it. I mean there's they're asking these guys their equipment usage to the Daryl survey every week <hes> why not just have their caddy dropped their clubs at something when you know over Tuesday night so or Wednesday night before the event. I'd probably WanNa do Tuesday that way. If there was a problem the guy had a chance to <hes> to make <unk> a correction before the event <hes> but you know have the caddy drop off the bag Tuesday Tuesday evening. Have some club <hes> some club expert. You know putting these things through the test to make sure that it's correct C._T.. And that all the other equipment parameters are being met. You gotta think that there's a way to do it. I know that it's not a clean and easy solution but with as much money in prestigious there is at stake. You'd think that if they haven't if they have opened dependence box which which I agree with you they have they better be prepared for. You know random casting. I know that if I were zander shoes and I got nipped on a point zero zero one C._T.. Limitation <hes> and I knew that there was the potential that there were a lot of other hot drivers in the field every single week. I that'd be pretty upset so let's let's give it on an even playing field and test all of it. I completely agree with you. You know in something else that that stuck out zander's said was when he said it half-jokingly you look. I don't sit at home test my driver every week to see see where it is but it does bring up good point how much ownership should play or have in in knowing if they're driver is conforming or not from week to week at how much of the onus should be placed on the manufacturer. I really do think that this is an opportunity for players to start to be a little bit more informed about their equipment especially when it comes to the driver in the three would in understand that are they playing conforming clubs or not really just can't put their head in the sand when when it comes to this issue at the the end of the day it's the players responsibility I mean I understand that you know they signed endorsement deals with different manufacturers. The manufacturers are giving them the equipment so there's there's culpability on both sides of this. You know I remember a few years back. I'm not gonNA mention a player name or a brand <hes> <hes> but there was a player that was on a contract with another major O._e._M.. Just was really struggling with with his driver and he came in to see us. We spent some time working with them and that specific year the drivers that were produced by that manufacturer just weren't quite competitive compared to a couple other products from other brands and <hes> and so you know we tested this player in a couple of these other brands. I never liked doing that with with tour players. Especially if they have contracts is kind of dangling that golden mm care that they can't have <hes> in all it ends up doing is causing relationship problems with the different reps in the different company so I always avoid that at all costs but you know this player said less than you know the way that I've been playing these last couple of years if fight if this trend continues my status will be jeopardy. I need to get to the answers. Just tell the truth and let me know or you know where you stand and I said well. If you try to driver from this brand I bet you this specific product you play you did it a little better and and <hes> we hit that product Shire's <unk> picked up fifteen yards much better <hes> and turn around to me and said you know what the heck's going on here <hes> I kind of explained some of the technical differences but then the takeaway from the conversation conversation the player said to me well. I don't know if I can use that if I show up hitting a driver twenty yards further. Everybody's GonNa think I'm using a hot head and I'm like well. Actually you're right. You know at that level a tour player gaining twenty yards of distance overnight is a red flag that you using a non-conforming head so it tells me that you know some of the players. May you know look at each other a little funny over the equipment. They're playing. I've had a few you named come up over the years of folks that that thought that a certain players set up may be encroaching upon legality when it comes to ball speed and the C. T. measurements but you know easiest way to nip all that in the Batas measure at all you know NASCAR before those carts to take laps around the track. What do they do they? They make sure that they're inspect so this at the stage in the game. I think that's the best way to eliminate all. This is just measure all the equipment. Make sure it's all conforming yeah no exactly in in the last thing you want is for what Zander had last week. You know even jokingly <hes>. He said that somebody called him a cheater. You know and I think it was. He said it was really more ingest but <hes> you know I I think if I was to play I think he did you know I'd take offensive that even if somebody was was saying it just kind of trying to review if it was a buddy to cheating especially in golf. That's that's as bad as get into to not have equipment. That's conforming you know I think everybody tries to go by the letter and and again something else that I just talking about with the tour heads the average golfer typically will be able to go pick driver out Iraq and they'll say well. This isn't like a tour head because they've heard the two heads are actually hotter than the retail is at war myth or is that really true Tim I would say it depends upon the brand <hes> what you're going to see out of a tour driver that you don't see got a retail driver. If you have to different versions typically at toward driver will be a little bit flatter in Lyon Angle <hes> typically the wall thickness on the face of the club. If there is a difference those walls will be just slightly thinner and that's not intentional it. Just that's a byproduct of the manufacturing process. They happen to have a little bit thinner face <hes> so when they do a C. T. test on these drivers you can rest assured that everything that's sitting in a tour van is maximized right up to that too that right up to that limit as far as it can go <hes> and then the other big difference with with a tour driver would be the the C._G.. Placement you know whether they're using hot melt or some type of internal wreck mechanism most toward drivers if if there is a difference in C._G.. Placement The C._G.. On tour drivers going to be closer to the face <hes> when you move the C._G.. Closer to the face that's GONNA increase ball speed is going to decrease spin but it's also GonNa make the club. A little more heart hit a little more difficult to hit so if there's a difference that's how that's what the difference would be a slightly flatter lying or slightly more forward C._G.. <hes> in in conjunction with that you're going to get a slightly higher C._T.. But there are some products and brands that there's very little differentiation between the tour head I will say that's when it comes to tour heads. It's amazing to me that most retail golfers most amateur golfers are on this never-ending search for tour issued equipment and Leona understand what they don't understand John. Is that most of that. Tort issued equipment is less forgiving unless playable for them and it actually will cause them to play worse because this equipment is designed for players that have a skill set far beyond. There's that hit the middle of the face every single time and might why why do you have to crush their dreams professor beyond your crushing. You're crushing. Everybody's dreams out there. They want the tour issue equipment. I understand the reason why because they know that they're manufactured under slightly higher tolerance and that there could be some performance benefits benefits in there if you hit it in the middle of the face but for most folks the author act stuff is actually GonNa work better for you than anything. That story issued so just keep that in mind when you're hunting on Ebay you know I think you and I could talk this this whole Zander C. T. The debate brewing whatever you WANNA call it for a while but I think we're probably still be spending an additional episodes probably talking about it. I do not think this is going way but let me let me tie nice little bow on all this by asking this question in ten years from now. Will we see any sort of additional testing for the drivers. I I'll go first and just say I do not think that that we will. I think that this is a very difficult situation. There are a whole lot of hurdles in. I think there are some empowers out there that really don't want to see universal testing but I'm curious to get your take on where you think things are going to be in a decade going from a CR test to the C. T. tests. There's a lot of rumors as to why that happened and I do think there's a lot of merit in the fact that going to the C. T. test made it more portable test for the different governing bodies to be able to engage in when they're on site <hes> do I think it evolves further from here. I would say probably not <hes> you know L.. As to equipment rules in general <hes> this is a much bigger topic of discussion which we can get into on the pod you know to later episode but I'm a huge proponent of the bifurcation of the equipment rulebook like let the pros play with one set of equipment. Let the raiders play with another set of equipment games hard enough. Go ahead and give somebody a driver that has you know a C._t.. That's well above the quote. Unquote legal limit make it easy make it fun for for people so out on tour things change. I wouldn't say never but I wouldn't expect them to change anytime soon especially being that they've just switched over to the C. T. test you know four four five years back and they been running with that C._O.. Our test for the better part of fifteen years <hes>. I hope that they that they don't change a lot of the rules because when you're when you start changing these equipment roles <hes> if you tested some of the drivers that are available today based upon the old C._O.. Are Testing. Some of them wouldn't pass exactly so now. We're not really comparing apples to apples anymore so I hope they don't change it. I I don't think they will bill and I do hope that the governing bodies give some serious consideration to making the game little more enjoyable for amateurs allowing them the plate year that maybe the tour players can't play yeah not listen you could stick this discussion straight my vein I could I could keep going on this all day long but <HES> M in Memphis this week for for the W._G._C. Tournament and <hes> in got a little bit of Info that I think might be of interest to <hes> to some gear heads out out there actually got. I I hear that what you got yeah yeah. I heard it's Monday obviously so things are still earlier in the week but I heard that a dozen Johnson's already on site and <hes> in he's doing some driver driver shaft testing supposed to be testing for different driver shafts heard. There's a projects in their which isn't that surprising because he did play for the U._S.. Open last year he played their hazardous black <hes> for for one event also Akra. I'm guessing there's there's gotta be some Fuji Shafts in there as well that are probably getting a chance he is. He's a big Fujikura guy. <hes> for the over the years dozens played their speeder six six one in and more recently. He's been playing a new Venice his prototype that they have so <hes> yeah looks like a dozen might be thinking about weaken the driver shaft him. Yes really interesting you know he used at sixty one speeder going all the way back to Coastal Carolina China days with coach Trowel. I'd act lease these using that thing and it's interesting you know when you get these tour players. They find a product they like. They have some success with it. They'll dabble in other products for awhile. They'll try to get him in the bag and then a lot of these guys we'll just revert back to what they know actually works <hes> so he's been bouncing you know he's tried other prototypes in the past. <hes> you know you spend very loyal to Fuji <hes> with playing that sixty one spader as you mentioned earlier in the year he tried right the new fantas which is an amazing product from Fujikara saw some success from it early on obviously <hes> he's now looking at two considering different option. I'll be very interested to find out what that option as if they settle on anything different or if he ends up going back to the Ventas or even for that matter the sixty one but kind of interesting from my perspective because you know at one hundred twenty seven miles of speed you would expect that everything that Dustin would play would be triple triple extra Stephan ridiculously heavy. <hes> you know the old concept that club head speed is what dictates the flashier shaft in reality. It's not necessarily that case so <hes> how you know he's Dustin is always played in the sixty grand range upper sixty Graham range. He's always played stuff that was extra stiff tipped a little bit so it probably comes in closer to being almost a double ax <hes> but relative to some of the players out there that that are playing eighty eighty five gram driver shafts that are you know playings shafts that are speaking out to triple extra steph in almost quadruple after steph when they tip them in engine engine and a half you know the this is a very different setup than what Dustin plays in the really interesting thing here is that some of these folks that are playing these eighty Graham shafts with this incredibly stiff tips action they actually swing slower than Dustin so I think that kind of puts that whole concept except of club heads speed paralleling flex. I think it puts the that unserious jeopardy. The reality is is that the flaxen the weight of that the shaft that a player should be playing it has a lot to do with the ball flight characteristics and then it has a lot to do with the way the player swings down to the ball so when you look at dust and he's got a very long long long lever meaning that his his arms are long and he keeps them very high at the top of the swing and yes he has a unique little respo- action at the top of the swing but he doesn't have a lot of extra rest fluctuation at the top like what you look at with John Daly and Sergio Garcia where they really really flex their arrests at the top of their swing so all of these is different variables play into the way chef fits for somebody in players that don't have tons of risk selection at the top of their swing and they don't whip the shaft on the way down kind of like Sergio and Ricky Fowler do players that have a more gradual gradual transition at the top Leica Dustin. They actually end up playing stuff. That's a lot more flexible in lighter than you would ever think based on their speed and then you look at guys like Sergio and Mike Ricky <hes> you look at their clubheads speed lead and then you look at the flex of the club that they're playing. They're playing stuff. That's usually a lot heavier stiffer than their club had speed indicates and that's because of their release pattern in the way they load the shaft so you know it's not a linear correlation between pup had speed and shaft flex to good starting mink point <hes> but look at US tonight. I use this example quite frequently when working with clients you know clubheads speed does not equate flex and wait perfectly it helps figure out the right ballpark but it doesn't tell you the right seat in the stadium so really really interesting various curious. What you say what you end up? <hes> you know when you find out more about his shaft testing this week up I betcha he he ends up in Fuji Product. That's in the upper. Oh yes the rams is GonNa be some Fuji is going to be something sixty five seventy grams and it's going to be something probably to Naty five to ninety five C._p._M.. Something Steph but not ridiculous and that's that right there is why love hosting podcast with you beyond because you are or not only a wealth of knowledge but you also opened up the door for the average golfer to to actually use the same shaft as doesn't Johnson which <hes> which I think a lot of people out there are probably excited about at least being able to they can go out there and potentially test one so you know with all that let's let's get into to this week's interview a we had the opportunity to interview Dom Brown who is true temper senior director of marketing and innovation and true pretty big announcement. That's coming this weekend really enjoy getting to sit down with him for this interview to talk about their new acquisition. Let's get to dawn well. We're pleased to be welcomed by DOM Brown. Don's the the senior director of marketing and innovation for the Golf Division at true tempered gone. How's it going bake? I doing doing pretty good now. You haven't been in the marketing role for very long you you were doing product innovation. I think before you <hes> you went to the marketing side right that is correct. I did a all the product designed fraud graphite products for about the last seventeen or eighteen years and just moved over the marketing role at the beginning of two thousand nineteen so what's the what's been the biggest change sense since you switch roles well. I had to approve some cocktail Napkins this week something that usually crosses engineers desk <hes> but it's you know a lot of it's been fun. You know getting do a lot more creative stuff. I was doing a lot of the branding for the graphite before but now I've taken over branding and communications for all of our golf products you know I think when people here especially those those who <hes> who are what we consider to be gear heads here the name true temper they the automatically think of steel shafts. I know true tempers the number one steal shaft on P._J.. Tour it's used by guys like Tiger Woods who's used that in his irons in his wedges edges for eons <hes> but I know that there's a whole lot more that that true temper which I have now heard is actually changing names that you all do besides shafts just just what else beyond the golf space are. y'All involved in. Yes so Tesla true temper is the one of the Gulf brands under the true sports <hes> parent company so that's just actually happening today. True sports encompasses our golf brands <hes> true temper projects and another brand. We're GONNA talk about shortly okay but we also have true hockey. Lacrosse <hes> will have true diamond science which will have baseball bats coming out in September as well as a couple of specialty skate divisions specifically speed skates and our figure skates. It's so you mentioned all the other sports that that y'all are involved in. How does this from a design standpoint help you? Do you cross collaborate at all. How does it help in the in the Gulf Equipment Space Yeah? You know there's a lot of. Cross collaboration I was actually taught to design golf shafts by the gentleman who now runs all the design for our hockey division <hes> and he actually grew up designing bubble or came up in industry designing the bubble shafts tailor-made so <hes> from a composite standpoint <hes>. There's a lot of crossover in terms of the materials were using how we do our layups. Obviously the hockey guys on the cross guys have to worry about shaft on shaft impact which is not something that should normally occur in standard golf play so I think this is a pretty natural segue into <hes> some pretty big news. That's coming out this weekend. I actually happened to be in Memphis and had a chance to sit down with Donna person to discuss this but there is is going to be a new acquisition for tempered on just tell us a little bit about this because I think from tour perspective it's a pretty big deal but also I think for <hes> for the average golfer. This is pretty big news as well yes so <hes> true sports is just acquired fired a p._g.. M. C. which is the parent company of Acura so <hes> starting this week the Akra Golf Chef brand which I would definitely well known by most of your listeners. <hes> is coming under the true sports umbrella and <hes> will be able to take advantage. There's a lot of things the the Gulf Division has to offer it is. It's really big news. I think again if you're listening to this podcast you probably have heard of Akra before a very big name especially in the driver shaft space. I'm curious Don. How long long have had y'all been looking at Akra? I'd imagine this is. This is something that that's been in the works for for quite some time. We've actually been partners with the parent company P._G.. E._M._C. for almost four years now they actually do all of the distribution to the the aftermarket in the club fitters of all of our true temporary project x products so hazardous smoke <hes> dynamical tour issue project X Project X._L. Z.. They've actually been our distribution arm and our sales marketing arm to the aftermarket circuit for about four years so <hes> the decision to bring the company in and become part of true sports was just kind of a natural in that has occurred probably within the last. I would say four to six months. How does this you know again? We'd talk about a lot of tour equipment in again. Akra being out onto <unk> being out on tour but how is this going to or is it gonNA matter for the average consumer that that true temper is acquiring Akra. Well I think for the average consumer not necessarily Oh the tour player is act as a huge player in the aftermarket in clubs hitting world <hes> their breadth of product in terms of weights and flexes to fit all levels of golfers actually exceeds what we currently have it true temper project acts so by bringing them in at it expands our depth the product but then they get to take advantage of things like our facility down in San Diego where before they would have to take the time to send specifications to manufacture overseas <unk> weeks if not months two prototypes back before they could do. They're testing now. We can work with their design team and if they tell us on Monday what kind of shaft they WanNa get we can have it to him by Friday for testing this temporary on Tru spec congratulations first and foremost <unk> is the ACURA. It's a wonderful ran to add to your portfolio. We've done business on the TRU SPEC side with Acura for quite a long time familiar with their products <hes> couple questions for you. Regarding the acquisition Russian Acura has always specialized in the premium custom club fitting space in they've not really had very they've not had any involvement with O._e._M.'s in so much that they haven't played their products into O._E._M.. Offerings is this is gonNA continue to remain the strategy for Akra going forward where they're gonNA focus on premium aftermarket <hes> and not be available directly to the O._e._M.'s yeah that is definitely the plan you know Acura has had huge success as you know in the aftermarket space and there's no <hes> plans to change that strategy what so all going forward that's great to hear on one nice thing as you know at Tru Spec we involve are we engage in all of our own third party in testing and <hes>. I'm sure it'll be great for you to hear that with all the testing that we've conducted the ACURA graphite series in the woods amongst all the different brands offer some of the most variation when you're talking about high launch high spend when you're just talking <unk> performance profiles so adding all these different performance profiles to the offering underneath the true sports umbrella. I'm sure is going to be exciting. <hes> is there any change you know in how true temper <hes> especially in their graphite woods <hes>. I'd have to imagine that there may be some I._p.. That comes over from Democrat that you're able to us. <hes> I know that true temper and true sports have a wealth of I._p.. On the graphic side I'd have to imagine that you're GonNa Leverage of both of the benefits <hes> to to the benefit of each of these brands right yeah I mean I think there's there's a lot of information sharing and resource sharing certainly they can go back and forth from again from the Acura side then having access to our facility in San Diego where we were making prototypes every day we have in house graphics capability ability to turn around and new graphic new pain <hes> new finish inside of twenty four to forty eight hours is definitely something that that they've not necessarily had access to before that is definitely gonNA help to enhance improve their product development <hes> for my side we know having been on the design side for so long and still overseeing all of the design you know they certainly have <hes> have some expertise in those areas you talked about the higher launching higher spinning forty Graham Iron shaft that they have that Israeli not something that we've got a lot of products. They are not necessarily been a successful in in the past as we would have hoped that's awesome stuff in one last question along these lines when you guys further integrate you know Acuras ben you know mostly mostly focused on graphite carbon-fiber <hes> for the woods. We've we've seen some carbon-fiber offerings. Come out regarding irons from Akra but we've never seen a steel iron product is that's something you think that maybe we'll be looked into as these companies continue to integrate is obviously with all of the steel shaft technology that true sports has available being an industry leader for decades upon decades have to imagine that may be accurate dabbles in some steel shafts eventually <hes>. I guess yes my my vague answer to that is Acura has full access to our steel. Our Indian manufacturing facility understood understood well. That's all exciting stuff in I mean the combination of both true sports in Akron. It's GonNa make a formidable competitor for any shaft manufacturer between the Reputation and deliverables that true sports have had for decades now Akra you know working in the premium custom space congratulations. That's going to be exciting to see what comes from you guys in the near future yeah now we're very excited. We actually have a Gavin who's one of the CO founders of Acuras here with us this weekend <hes> he and I and the Bill Lang who does all of the aftermarket work for took to plant in a little week long Powell slash golf trip here in a couple of weeks to really start trying to integrate our designs and no there's a lot of stuff to be honest that I have to learn about the Akra product line that we have to learn because while we've been partners from a distribution standpoint for the last four years actress been a competitor of our so now I get to go to the actress school so to speak to learn about all their products. I hope you're playing some good golf courses done well. We're working on that. <hes> GATT Gavin's working on on the Gulf Hook Up. I just told him. Tell me when and where to be and I'll be there. That's always the best way to do it. I'm also curious. How is it deal like this going to affect? If at all what you're already doing on touring what actors already doing on tour you know obviously asleep. We've got a big stable of tour players. We are actually at Barbasol and at the Web dot net sorry Korn ferry event last week we were the number one would shaft in play actress to her presence has been growing a lot of late. You know they had the U._S.. US Open champion plays it. They've got some other high level players so <hes> for now. It'll just we're GONNA keep pushing all of the products that we have. I think as we go further down the road. There's probably some products that we have some overlap on because types of products at tour players have as you know a somewhat more of a limited box when you're doing aftermarket club fitting so we'll look at our product lines determine which products are the best ones in and move forward from there don I just just for the listeners out there kinda clarify because when everybody here's acquisition they always wonder does that mean that actress kind of being folded in in his. You're GONNA go away. Actress Still GonNa be a name out there. I mean if you go out. You're still going to be able to purchase inaccurate shaft correct. Yeah Acura is going to exist in continue to exist as its own brand with its own minute products that won't be Akra by true temporary Acura by project x <hes> definitely going to be his own line of products and like I said Gavin from actress here this week and I'll be spending time with him in a couple of weeks here not about how to fold their product end but about out how to expand their product line and make it better. That's great hit on. Thank you so much again for your time getting congratulations on on the big news. Thank you guys appreciated. Thanks Don and there you have it from Dom Brown with true sports. That's some pretty interesting stuff right there John it definitely you know I think anytime you get the number one steal shaft iron manufacturer out there combined now with with one of the biggest especially in the driver shafts space in Akra the chance for them to be able to to share ideas and technologies <hes>. It's it's huge news for <hes> for the equipment space. I think you'd probably agree with me there yeah for sure I mean after for years and years now has had such an impeccable reputation custom premium aftermarket in it's the the average golfer doesn't really know the ACURA story. I can tell you that the quality of their products is second to none you know one of the things that they can boast. Is there carbon-fiber to resin ratio. They're very proud of the fact that they use less resin in their products than most of their competitors and what does that do for playability in performance it makes it a little bit more consistent from one piece to the next <hes> but this obviously brings a wealth of intellectual property property over to the true temper side <hes> when they're talking about their graphite would shafts and I'm sure that we're gonNA start seeing some <hes> stuff coming out of the relationship with true temper where actors able to play off some of that intellectual properties well. It's really exciting. Citing acuras going to get access to the true temper marketing engine so I know a lot more people will be familiar with their product lines now and on the other side you know to temper obviously gets <hes> some some structures in designs lines that they didn't have you know whether it be accurate tours e series or the F._X.. Series so <hes> exciting news in the equipment world. It's going to allow two prominent players to continue to be prominent and <hes> you know. The Nice thing that I heard throughout all of discussions with Don and Gavin over Akra is that organizationally neither company really is changing the the same people are working. They're doing the same things the day-to-day doesn't change <hes> whenever you hear these acquisitions you start to worry that there's GonNa be a wholesale reorganization and then all of a sudden vision and the product no longer is an alignment with what was in the past but I don't think you're gonNA see any major changes as far as the day-to-day in the products that they produce <hes> is just gonNa make both companies stronger.

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93. Possibility

The Long and The Short Of It

17:39 min | 5 months ago

93. Possibility

"Hey Jen. Hello Peter. So I was facilitating a little coal yesterday on the topic of possibility. Me To really. Yeah Oh my Gosh Whoa. Well say no more I think we should unpack the topic of possibility. This is the long the short of it. Are you kidding me. Now I'm dead serious. I love this I love this okay I. Did this are-? Our workshop called the path of possibility. Of course he did of course he did. I knew that. So interesting that I maybe subconsciously knew that, so I run a little group mastermind slash coaching program for a bunch of brilliant artists that you know who also change makers and each month we have a theme and we do zoom coal about said fame and I'm packet and pull it apart and work out how we going to use that theme to move our work forward. This month's theme is possibility. And, so yesterday we had a conversation. About what does possibility mean? And what I was really curious about the conversation. That sort of sparked the idea for this episode was. How do we practically bring more possibility into out live? How do we tactically leaning to possibility? And so I have some ideas. I'm curious for your ideas, but before I even get into that, I'm curious about you'll three our little workshop. Somehow forgotten about. What was it about? I mean it's literally called the path of possibility and similarly it was for a group performing artists. This is ridiculous. Was Yours about practical ways to bring into life to specific to the I'm assuming it was not specific to the arts. However it was specifically a group of artists I was delivering it to so I'm sure the arts. The Arts was in the air, but I had broken down the session into three parts the first being what is possibility to your point? The second part being reality, check 'cause I. Think you can only step into possibility. If you're willing to see things the way they actually are and be with the given circumstances, and then the third part was called possibility. Check who? What was the what was that? What's the possibility check? So once you have established your reality. You're given circumstances then you can start to see possibility so ideas to ground yourself in reality so that you can start hearing all of the many possibilities that exist who? Brilliant Brilliant, brilliant so I think the topic of conversation that I focused on a particular. The first part of the call was the same. What is possibility was probably more around that letter which was. Like we, we've talked about possibility in this podcast. So many times there is a brilliant book called the possibility, which is one of my all time favorites that you and I have referenced so many times. And, it's a word to me that I just love I just love the feeling that that word invokes in me. And I was just kind of thinking. How do we make this more practical and tactical? And what are some of the things that we could do every day to practice bringing possibility to laugh, so do you have any ideas that spring to mind firstly on how you gentlemen practice possibility or think about it? Well for any artists who are listening, they might enjoy this. I think that book the art of possibility by Rosamund, Stone Zander and Benjamin Zander is a seminal work like it gives way to so many other things, but the other thing that I combine possibility work with is actually script analysis I use an all of the tools that I would be teaching someone to analyze a story that already exists and then acknowledged. What those? Those building blocks are and point out that our story hasn't been written yet, so we can take all these things that we understand about stories that are already written to understand how we as characters in our own lives move forward through are given circumstances and engage with this idea of possibility because we could write a million different plotlines from this point forward I like that a lot. One thing I'm curious about in hearing you talk about script. Analysis is what role empathy plays. So, one of the brilliant humans on this coal pointed out a practical way to practice. Possibility is through empathy. And what I'm just connecting now is kind of building that bridge to your point of what's the actual reality that you have and then maybe what's the actual reality that someone else has and by seeking to understand what it might be like to see the world from a different perspective. You're opening your mind up your your thoughts up to other possibilities. And so I wonder is that is that the connection point of was script analysis as well or my way off? No No, no, you're not off at all. So what I think is interesting is in life and in script analysis. We have a series of given circumstances, so for example the given circumstance right now is that you and I are on zoom call. How you feel about this call and how you're interpreting. This call is going to be different about how I feel about this call, and how I interpret this call, but we know that the one concrete thing is we are on our zoom call. And so what I what I like to think about with possibility work is to establish the facts of the moment, and then everything else is your interpretation and knowing that you can also accept that other people have their own interpretation to. Yes yes, yes, yes, I mean extends so far beyond possibility right? We talked about accepting given circumstances in like five episodes recently, that was principles that was your business and and normal. That was choosing optimism, so many of these conversations recently on recognizing comeback to cool. Let's get clear on the facts. Let's get clear on. How given circumstances so that we can decide to step into possibility or choose optimism or figure out how he might pivot up business or work on some principals? All of it starts with accepting arguments circumstances. There's this great debt in the book, the art of possibility which I'm talking paraphrasing, not not quoting directly, but the gist is. There's a glass and it is either half full or half empty so the person who says the glasses half-full might be termed an optimist or an idealist and the person who says the glass is half empty might be deemed a pessimist, but the question is who is the realist. And what the ZANDER's argue is that it is the person who sees the glass as half-full. Who is the realist because they are the only person in that coupling? Who is dealing what is actually? They're not dealing in the abstract of what is missing. ooh That is good. That's good. Wow. Okay so in thinking about that one of the other ways that we talked about of how we might practice possibility. Because I think the the other thing that's sort of saying out loud that I think evident through this conversation so far he's possibility as a choice. Possibility is a skill. And one of the ways that we can do that outside of empathy outside of the things we've talked about so far is through something like yes, end you know like the concept of Yes anding A. Or a thing which is very popular in Improv I believe. Stealing, yes, and from Improv, let's be honest and what that helps me realize instead of no, because or instead of we contrary this, because of these constraints or whatever stepping into a world where we stop by acknowledging the given circumstances. I acknowledged what John said. Yes, Jen and have you thought about? This? Perspective is creating more possibility just through conversation so I think just a tactical way that we can create more possibility practice, possibility or choose possibility in the same way that we can choose empathy in the same way that we can choose to look at script analysis in a certain way, we can choose to build on conversations by starting with. Yes, end. Does that make sense? Yes. and. Let's see what you did that. You see what you did the. It reminded me of something that came up in our workshop yesterday, which is. And I've ensure why it's pointing back to this particular memory, but it is so I'm sharing it. There's a there's a difference between. Yes, and yes, and there's a difference between this is happening to me and this is happening. can you say more Botha? Yes, so part of this idea of what are the facts? And then how will you interpret the facts This is happening is the fact. This is happening to me. Is Your interpretation who? And, so you can choose to interpret in a different way. Wow? This is happening and and I get to fill in the rest of the sentence with something. That's full of possibility. Hearing you talk about that? It makes me realize that practicing possibility can be really hard. because. Because of emotions, because of attachment to Al Stories, because of the fact that sometimes we forget that things happen as opposed to. Things happening to us as individuals and I think we've all been caught up in that moment where we think the world is conspiring against us, which makes practicing possibility really hard, so it's almost like. PRACTICING POSSIBILITIES OF MUSCLE A tough greedy muscle that we need to constantly heard and practice because it's it's hard to flicks can be really hard. Affleck's especially in circumstances like global pandemic for example. Yes yes, yes, yes, Peter, because when we choose to practice whatever the opposite of possibility is stuck, nece, don't know. Call it. We would take something that is simply a given circumstance or present condition, and we would instead interpreted as an obstacle, so we would choose to see something as making it impossible for us to pursue the things we want to do the things we want to be with the people we want to be with. You know whatever that might be. And so the practice of possibility is to eliminate the idea that these things whatever they are are my obstacles, and instead to call them. My present conditions or my given circumstances okay. You made me think of two things. One is to go back to the opposite of possibility, so I think about possibility as being very much to your point your reality now and looking forward. and I wonder if the opposite of possibility is lamenting, lamenting, what was lamenting? I had lamenting what I lost. Limiting I can't do and almost looking back in that sense. And then the second thing is one of the one of the insights that came through the conversation that I facilitated was. Can you have too much possibility like what happens when you get overwhelmed by so much possibility? And I said well the first thing I think about there is. That's why you need constraints. Is Constraints create a container full that possibility. So instead of the possibility feeling like it's infinite and hard to contain what if you create a container for that possibility? And this goes back to that episode that we did recently about principles, so if you saw all of the possibilities and you eliminated anything that would not allow your principles to be driving the bus. Then that would be a constraint or container, or you could use your values, or you could use your house, or you could use your just 'cause, or you're Y or whatever framework you like to essentially eliminate possible that don't align with the best version of yourself. So. Trump piece all this together. It's really curious because what I'm recognizing is like possibility as choice possibilities, a posture possibility is something that's kind of acting every single episode of this podcast. And, it just relates to everything. We've I mean we've referenced about five other podcasts recorded in this conversation. And I would say even relates to own ways that we can practice at a even. Things lack asking open ended questions as opposed to asking a question that's binary, yes or no. And that concept of binary I think he's really interesting. When you think about possibility because I think that possibility suggests things aren't binary. and. If we start to look at things as yes or no, will you know rotten wrong file succeed, then we can get trapped or attached to one of those outcomes like we get attached to succeed, and we detest family for example and a posture. Possibility is one that removes the binary in a way, and he's like what if it's all an experiment? What if we don't quite know where this is going to end up and we stay open to what might be possible if we show up in a certain way? So. I guess this is the episode where we call back to other episodes. What you were just talking about reminds me of the decide episode that possibility and decision making really do go hand in hand, and we must release the outcomes and instead step into the path of possibility that that path can lead any number of places so long as you have a vision in mind or a North Star or something you care about something that's meaningful to you. If you're headed towards something that's meaningful to you. All your decisions are fine. You might not get the immediate comes. You're looking for, but if you're still headed in the direction of something you care about that's really what matters and to your point. This idea that things are either good or bad. Right or wrong can keep us so limited and stock. And sorry, just go back one more time to something you said you mentioned lamenting, and that sparked something in me, which is there is a past focus opposite of possibility, and there is a present focused opposite of possibility. If lamenting about the past maintaining the status quo is about the present. And so if we don't want to lament and we don't WanNa maintain the status quo. What must we do? We must face the future as full of possibility. At so rich Jen, and if I was to just bring this back to like one other practical way that we can practice possibility. I would say it's again. Something that we've done in so many different episodes of this podcast, but it's it's to take ourselves out of the binary. It's to explore possibility. It's to see what other alternatives that might be all in pursuit of Al. Vision our goal, but on attaching ourselves to the outcome, and that is to pick an arbitrary number and brainstorm possibilities, so we talked about this I, think in the decided over. It's like what ten different decisions that. That you could make in pursuit of a certain goal and you brainstorm. Talent is or what fifty three different ideas you have on what you want to do next week. And you just give yourself permission to come up with fifty three ideas and fifty. Two of them will probably suck button the fifty, th the fifty third one and I know you'll smiling because you're going to give an example of when you did this last week. Because the fifty third one might be the one that you wouldn't have thought of if you hadn't stepped into possibility. I've laughing because guess. What exercises was yesterday what you did this, didn't he? I said you have three minutes to write down ten things you could do to step into the possibility right now and then I, and then at the end of the three minutes I. Ask people to I, said a minimum of ten I ask people to share how many they'd come up with, and some people were like rats. I didn't get to ten. I said don't worry about it. It was an arbitrary number. I made it up. There was no science behind that just needed to give you a constraint. Favorite exercise went out picking arbitrary number. It's so true because brainstorming is literally an exercise in possibility. Is the long the short of it.

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The Green Light - Episode 62 - "Mystikal"

The Green Light

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The Green Light - Episode 62 - "Mystikal"

"Yeah. Maybe. Well. Oh. So. Headed fromm. Maybe maybe. Already know it is the green light music by bonds of late night. Thoughts out now go check the kit out at bonds dot official on I G issue. Be green. Welcome to episode sixty two of the green light. I'm here. My wonderful beautiful co host Jay are what up JR RJ is in the houses. Always hide on doing his thing. You I like that tribe tracks slick very slick he got if I weren't here last week. He announced that he has a project coming in the summer called from Bonzo with love, it's a love related project. I can't wait to hear Kane is criticizing the hell is he knew about love. He's twenty four years old. I can't wait. Let's. I'm sure he's gonna hit, Dan. I'm gonna hear about that one. You should. I mean. Yeah. But nah, nah. Nah. Charlotte's to him. You know, it's it's like I said, it's the green light baby. I know it is. Thank you off listening to another episode. We didn't do Spanish last time. So let's do it. This time say dodo Cynthia episode episode does insent Dido FA f. Was that the radio FA? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. JR what's up? How you doing? I'm good. I'm good. Went to the dentist today. Mouth is. On a Dennis you go to. Mouth a little sore when with the boys Omar Zander zander's his first time, but he's getting a little older still too. But he's going to little older, and he just was a little fidgety today at a controlling with the telephone, unfortunately, but he chilled each show these said down so that he was done and he came on daddy's lapping he got his teeth done. Denso's impressed two years old governed to and brushing his own TV we teach them teach waiting to filthy family night, TV cling. Nice nice. How about you any cavities? No. I've never had in my life. Never had a cavity. No. But he he told me some shit about. I must grind my teeth because they're wearing a little bit. Yeah. He's me for some shit to make more money off me. Yeah. They. I'm interested in wondering. What would I was it a dentist? Someone said that if we all like took care of our teeth, and if we didn't have all the preservatives and sugars in our foods, dentist wouldn't exist. Like, you need it for accidents. Obviously things are growing wrong. But in terms of like cleaning and stuff like that, you wouldn't need can you wouldn't need to fix cavities. If you didn't have artificial sugars, low Cavs, probably cleaning, always gotta go for routine cleaned that if it clean the right way who has time for that show. I Do Son I switched to electric toothbrush. So they told me new let you to brush are different executive told me, he said an electric toothbrush. You said you're probably the Inam was wearing on a couple of because you're probably rushing to electric toothbrush. Avoid all that he proceeded to say we sell them here. Now going on what your hundred. Exactly, I was robbed on your. Nuts. I'm good. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Before we got on air. You had told me that you had recently un-filed someone on social media. I did talk about it. What's up? Yeah. This is a gentleman who are used to work with that. I, you know, I followed. I don't know why followed him, but I'm bringing a post which I really go on. I was just scrolling through and I see Obama Obama was the one that brought back racism. Oh boy. Because he is a Trump supporter. He's like, you know, Trump is trying to stop all kinds of foreigners from coming to this country. And we're trying to stop that. But you support it Obama who actually brought back racism heating, put a reason why. And if you did anyone continue reading as soon as I read that I hit delete. That's how you do it, bro. Simple. You need you need negative in your life. No, not at all. I mean, you could think about whatever you want about the presidency about Obama. You could do I don't care. But to think that a minority is the reason why racism was brought back to asinine to me to think it ever went away is kind of asinine to media. So to say it was brought by let me it was never it was gone. Maybe he thinks if a black guy never got became president. We would have never felt obliged to stand up to racism, and we we'd be okay, what's going on idiot. Fool idiot. Those people just isn't no saving them. Just you know, let them go by gone, no comment. I didn't make a comment nothing. It was just would not worth my time. Ten years ten years ago. I would have commented I would have went back fucking. Maybe five years ago. I would have done it now. No, cool. I'm out now when it's something that I don't agree with. I don't I'm not quit on follow. Because I don't want to have. It's a trick. If you have if you have a bunch of people who all say the same thing, you agree with right? No. Of course, not everybody gets followed say something. I don't I disagree. Yeah. But that's just something. That's. Like, I'm saying, obviously, you have people who support people you don't so for as friends probably close friends that you have that support. You don't support you don't stop being friends with them. Oh, once you cross that line of just being stupid. Like, you're just you're stupid. You're just you're not you're not unintellectual person by sharing that type of stuff. So I do find hard to believe you wouldn't comment. I don't I just find it hard to believe. I don't know why. I don't know. Why even when you even when I had Facebook, and you'll meet we're friends you haven't seen you couldn't find one article that wasn't relate the sports of comment on. I just NAS on some some I hit a switch shout to Kim loyal listener. She had asked me because I had told her I said she had asked me if I don't mess with somebody anymore. And I was like, nah, it's not that. It's just, you know, I'm at this point now where I'm starting way my interactions with people, and if there's far too much negative in our conversation, and when we conversation conversation converse when we converse versa. And it's out weighing the positive. I get from talking to you. Then I'm going to limit how much talking to you. Because that's not worth it. You know, if every ten dollars you make you lose ten dollars. What am I doing going to circles? Exactly, I should find a better way to spend my time. So I had told her, you know, I'm going down that path and I've been going down. For some time. And she said, well, what was the reason for that? And and I couldn't really give her a direct reason. I started growing up. I attribute it my, you know, me getting out of soc meeting officer media like that was a start to it. You know, me kind of removing myself from groups of friends where they would just talk about negative stuff repeat. Like, why are y'all talking about people? You don't like do in your free time. Do you think these people are spending time talking about, you know? So even if you're you're qualms or like, correct, like, if you have every reason to talk about these people, do you think you're not what are you gaining right now, you're not gaining anything. You just hustling backwards is pushing yourself. Yeah. I don't what's the saying. Don't give anyone free real estate in your head. When you're not even thinking to you. Let me it has to do with growing up. And also think is your tolerance was to pity joking around playing around to different things than stupidity. And when you when it's something stupid. Is just the tolerance is not. There is not worth your this is a green lighting who love. It's just not with your effort. Really isn't isn't that what the effort or your time? Not. And we always talk about relationships communicating, and you know, that spills over into relationships, obviously, the relationship isn't worth if the headache is it worth the payoff, and it's not worth it. I'm not telling you things you'll be perfect. But there should be a ratio of coming into positive. You know, like you shouldn't be losing all the time at the end of the day. You shouldn't be like how come I have more negative thoughts about this leadership or this person than half positive? So just let's look into ourselves guys. Let's look at the stuff that we keep around us that we could immediately eliminate that could easily make our day better. Correct. You know, you don't you don't have to be a negative person. No. But if you just stay around negative stuff, it's just going to seep into you. It does energy around you just kind of like some stupid reverberating cycle and positive people around you in positive things happen. I agree so beg. Let's get into it. Five minutes reflection. We want to start off his episode by saying recipes, John singleton, he was just taken off life support. Today, suffered a stroke a couple of weeks back at the tender ripe age of fifty one for those that don't know who John singleton is crystal. He directed boys in a hood poetic Justice, four brothers. Very good. You know, like, yeah, he directed some movies that at certain times represented the culture and not so much four brothers. But you know, it was it was it was a win because he had Andre three thousand tire easy. I'm okay with that. It was adopted brothers. I don't see nothing much for the culture as baby. Boy was right. Correct. Correct. Yeah. And it was a better moving. A few times over. Yeah. We won't go. But yeah, no recipes to him. Thoughts and prayers to your family. This is going to be a sad episode guys as as it always is right. We don't want him to be. We don't make the news. We report it. Yeah. That's why we try to. That's why we try to always give you guys inspirational talks motivational talks some introspective stuff. That's why we try to promote people we mess with locally shout the bonds. Oh, I got. I got an I got after we go through all the sad news, right? MJ just released a new song m j just released a new song. So right before we get into our tell us something that good. I want to kind of like white to say slate clean with MJ's new music. And then hopefully, you know, you know, we need we need MJ when he bonds. And to do quick five minute battle. Why do you want me as a battle? Why neither one of them about rappers fun? Both of them. I hope you'll listen. I hope you'll listen how about this MJ? Not wanting this. This. That's that's just family. I going to do it to him. But just let you know they now they don't want smoke with the kid. I know it is so famous reflection. So for those that have paid attention to Twitter social media, and those kind of keep a pulse on what's happening. You all know, the nipsy nipsy hustle, the nipsy hustle mural that was painted in downtown Hartford, Connecticut, he got nationwide worldwide notoriety shout to Corey pain. He was the one that did it. It was vandalized this past week. Of course, it was some young person thought it was a good idea to paint, a penis over a certain part of the wall in some other things and to add her name and stuff like that. And I mean, it goes without saying that, you know, that's not only disgusting. But it's also sad because it's like come on like this is a dude who arguably I mean, I can't recall the last. Death. I saw that that had the ripple effect that his head through not only our community but through the country. I mean, you're getting people who don't even know rap or even know who nipsy also was finding out about him being extremely impressed about them. And then having some of that actually play part on their life. You know? So just did they find a person they found the person they know who the person is. I don't know street Justice is going to handle it. I don't know how that's going to go. I'm not, you know, the green lane here to say anything about that. You don't have a case to the Justice. But I do want to say special shadow to J oak. Juan Joey bats once again, Cory pain for all the people that came out there and helped fix it. They did fix it. And they got it taken care of shoutouts y'all special shout. Jay. The family, and I'm proud of you kiss. Just keep just keep doing it. Like, you said America continues. It's not like this in the marathon. It's a marathon. Right. You'll get cramps. You'll sprain your ankle, you'll get blisters. But the goal is to keep moving forward right yesterday marathon continues. And before I pass it UJA are be green had an experience this week. Had an experience. We I for the first time. Floated. You mean like water I went and spent some time and a sensory deprivation tank. Yeah. Yeah. I know it is. Wow. Yeah. Getting this tank. It's about I wanna say five by like seven big enough for me to lay in obviously. And. You just float? You just float, bro. I started having some visions started seeing things the most the most descriptive. I'd say was I felt like you ever see those National Geographic joints where they show like the school of Manta rays or like the school of fish, but it's the upward shot. So like you see like the sun break in through the crossing wings and stuff with the wings fins of the fishes fishy, fish or fishes. What did it be fishes, if they're most different fish fish? It's a school of fish is. No sure thing. No, no, no. If there's different types of fish. It is not a word. It's like monies? Fish is not it's like money's. It's not a word. I think you're absolutely wrong. One hundred percent hundred and fifty percents. Sure fishes is not forget that. Correct. Your your summary every week fish is not a word haven't spelled scenario. Right since you've been doing fish or school officials know if it's multiple different types of fishes. It's fishes not a word. Okay. Urban dictionary. Probably some black ready ready. The plural of fish is usually fish. But fishes have a few uses and biology, for instance, fishes is used to refer to Moshe Moshe will multiple species of fish like I just said so when there's tuna anchovies Manta rays, those are fishes just like money on the dictionary. What what do you mean? It absolutely is just can't be impossible. It's not proper. He does nine of conditioner either one of those proper as I was saying, and I would add look up, and I'd almost see that like I'd see different fish sea fishes swim weird. Sometimes I'd see like like an arm. It was it was kind of nuts. But my my take I gotta do it. Again. I gotta do it again. Because. There were moments where I would attempt to kind of go deep into it. Like, my mind is like, yo I'm gonna take you and my like my body ago, a yoga's what L D me loan them. I'm trying to go into the zone abo, you're what does that cost your left testicle is? And I go fuck so I scratch my Tesco and then and I try to go back into his own. And then I get there. I'd get there. And then I'd feel a water droplet that was on my nose. Boy, I didn't tickle. And so then I go to brush away getting more water on my face. So it was like this rear. It's almost like the way that the lady described the sum that up perfectly. It takes effort to not do anything, especially because us we're spending. Now, we're always, you know, everything's everything. We're always attache something. It's so hard to. Just stop. So I'm gonna do it. Again. It doesn't April was flow awareness month. We've tried some things this week this month because I do the crowd chambers. Yeah. Yeah. At least on Saturday. How'd you like it shoes? She's an. She's in. Well, you can't see it because it's covered. But it's a richest, of course, took pictures and video in. Yes, definitely you want and she says share them. No. She says her nipples of frozen. Flipped him off his. They're gonna re grow our nipples. Like lizard tells, you know, probably won't we grow damn. Yeah. But she says she folk good for a little bit. I mean, she she's real sore now watching. Zoar? She tries it more. She'll be all right. Okay. Nice. Nice. You'll be all right. I did it again for the second time first time like I said, it was an experience. It was great. It was mind. Over matter for some reason, Saturday was chilly. It was hard. It was hard for some reason. It was I don't know. Why did you go up beside just no, no, no? But it might me's froze its time. My me like frozen. Really? Yes. How far down does go down. Does our whole Bobby hope is down to your feet which feta cover, which is a good thing. Because. Yeah. You're right. Has covered. Yeah. And your head is out of it. But my knees were real cold this time around. I'm like what the hell. What does it do for like joints, ligaments and stuff it's supposed to secure all that to hear cure? It's supposed to make you feel a lot better. If you have muscles Basil's pains. Okay burns calories. It's an amazing thing. You can try it. Are you afraid row? No, like, literally seven days passant you lasted it like, what are you saying? Like like, you told me two months ago. And I'm like, you should definitely take crystal. She likes to don't don't matter. It's you're not doing that. Because you like are cold true because you assuming Lear getting some health benefits from it. It was cold. It was called Saturday morning. We left real early and it was having morning. So my body was already co. But when I got in there chess was fine arms. My me what the hell. Yeah. 'cause I get mad knee pains. So I was wondering if that would have some positive benefit for that. But yeah, no, I feel good for a couple of days. Even my ankle, which is source was filling good for couple of days where you won't do anything with it. So yeah. So the floating was dope. Shout out to them. Bonzo and Kells are both there as well. They said they had had experiences and they're down to do it. Again. Stay tuned to the first episode of squad goals, which would be come into you soon presented by as where we do things. Like this. We do things you've always wanted to do that be coming soon. So a lot of lot of reflection for me was that what you. Tunb? Oh, we spoke about the shootings in our backyard last week, which ones man, the one side is dean, the one in New Haven. And then lo and behold was another one Harvard. That's what I was going with this. Albany was sixteen year old kid was found shot to death in his car. What are we doing people? Why are we killing each other? Why is too many people out there? Trying to kill us already Jesus to system set up to kill us anything about the six zero. I don't know. Why happened? There's no I don't know the motive I've been trying to find out. But nothing nothing. Hush hush-hush. I guess because underage or a tough one. Because. It's crazy people. Can we just we act they had protests for the kid that was shot? Now when we originally came on here he didn't die yet. Three of us. Mine is you we were kinda surprised by the whole thing. We were like what happened did any of your viewpoints change on all the three incidents spoke about Luca, the young lady in New Haven and the gentleman and Silas Deane recipes these Justice, the young lady Newhaven, he's Justice. I mean, I saw video from how many different angles. I don't know. How many you've seen video but little worries all of them? Nowhere shows me that there should have been shooting involved in that at all. I mean, I see the Cup running away after he shoots and ducking. I don't know what he was ducking heat took off like it was like it was grand theft auto, correct? Correct. And I still stand firm with the size deem if the cars coming at you. What are you gonna do? We can't sit here and say cars coming out of we're not going to react. What was it that? They were that they said that they like people were saying you should've through it was you, right? You said that says spikes do spikes down and his girlfriend went on TV this week as she said she didn't have to shoot him in the head heating him in the head. Oh, I thought I heard I heard that she came on TV and said stop I told him to stop shooting or I told him to stop driving ES stop driving multiple times hear that by her. She says if they shot him then you have to shoot him in the head. That people know how guns and situations work there. Saint the. Wow, west where you shoot someone's going out out your hand. No, no. I mean, the best the best thing you can do is to not put yourself in that situation. And no, I'm not saying it like, no the whole other people are saying because they say, oh, well, it shouldn't have broke the law. No. I'm not saying that you break law dessert or die. No, no. I'm saying if you break a law. Oh in you get pulled over. Then you keep driving. Then you get stopped like. It's a catch twenty two with everything though. Yeah. Because you tell someone that and then they'll tell you. Yes. But you see all the people that are do stop. And they still get shot. I get well who has ever drove away and got away. Like, I mean, I I guess what I will say there's more people stopping for cops who were living than people were actually driving away or towards cops living, you know. I don't I wouldn't wanna give them any excuse. No, not what I want to give him any excuse either. So I mean like I said thoughts and prayers still go out to the families all those affected by those incidents in those situations. We would hate we would hate to be in a situation where one of us has report that amongst any. I hope bro. I hope no one I know is ever in a situation like this. I hope so too. I hope I'm not here on this show on our show having to say. What the fuck why didn't he like that situation? Yeah. Not cool. But with that being said, y'all know what time it is. We like to start off the show the quick low question. Maybe you'll learn something new maybe you'll gain a new lesson distant green scenario, like JR scenario us anything goes on the green light show. He no give it up already know this decree to this. This chain. What's what's there? So. I was driving to work. This morning listening. Actually, I wasn't driving the hallway on the way to work listening to music, and once I got into old saybrook, I turned on a podcast the x and y. Yeah. I communicate with them often throughout the week. I g big fan of. I pulled up to a Beavis. I couldn't finish listening to everybody's response. But one of the topics that I stole was does love truly conquer all Helena, or is that just height. So by greeting card companies. I don't think they came from green card. I come from the bible this green car companies do those on the green cards a lot though love conquers. Aw, is it hype. Or does love really conquer all. And I was intrigued I know they do have a lot of people that follow them, and they get some wacky answers. And I I never got back to the show. Busy thought my day. But I am going to go back and listen to it. But let's talk about what do we think this left, really Congo? You already said no why why does love not congre because sometimes hates more powerful. I think I think hey, hey, hey, is the other side of the coin it is. Yeah. Love. Love doesn't conquer. The person who's mentally unstable. Love we had. Synagogue shooting that we'll talk about later. Churches are love right religion is love right. That's supposed to be love. Yeah. Every other week. There's a new fight. There's a new shooting. There's a new explosion is a new arse. There's something happening in these areas. A love schools are supposed to be built off the establishment of love for our children love of our future love of the youth. And there's constant things going on there. I just. I guess if you're telling me love conquers, all in a sense that. If you always take love into account. It will reign supreme put no do shit outta love all the time. That ain't real hit you because I loved you and their mind of well who's to say that their minds wrong. Right, right. How do we tell someone like, you know, to saying I hate this? I hate that. It's said like when people get married like love is kind. Love is patient. Love it out. Right. Love is what owner of love knows. All that stuff is perfect. Wouldn't you look at the textbook version of love? But if the if the gripper of love has never been patient in his life. He don't know a patient is it was never taught patient. So how can he be y'all can be patient? How can spill over if if the person who's who who's giving you love has never been kind. I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying you can't be a mean person and also a loving person. But most mean, people don't really love the best and most just the same way. Most love people aren't that. Hateful. Like most people were about love, excuse me. Mostly people were about love, aren't you're not gonna hear about them having bunch of bunches of enemies, you know, the enemies they get people who hate them because they love because they love right? And that's kind of like love is the one thing where too much level kill you. Right. I mean, if we're attributing love if you had love for another woman as well as love at Lisa your life is at risk. I'm dying. So tell me how come all these crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just hide in the crowd chamber. She can't go, and she wouldn't wanna go in there. I don't I don't think love conquers. Aw. I don't think love is the ultimate end. All be all I'm sorry. You need more than love to get to where you need to get to in life. I think love is great. And I love Israel. Love is blind. And it will take over your mind. Which is love really truly. Not you need to elevate. And fine. Love is blind. It was a terrible rendition of TLC one of those. Go ahead. Sorry love love. It can conquer a lot. But no, it does not conquer all hell if we're doing a religious eve sings it ever doing it in relationship terms. Loves great something to people share. But love is still paying the bills. So it doesn't conquer that. If that Bill collector comes. How care how much you love electric city? Going off like you're right. I'm sorry. Let's you know, what I love. I really love Tesla's. I'm going to go to the car dealership right now. I love these cars. I love him. He line. I love you, man. Love what you're doing. What up? Do you think that's gonna work? No. It's not gonna help. You know, if you ain't got the dollars ain't gonna get it. No. I mean, I'd love for someone to try to convince me, otherwise, maybe I'm a cynic. And maybe we're cynics. Maybe we're just we've really yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because we omitted love is awesome. Right. Love is also awesome. We're not knocking. I'm never not love them. Madly lovo. Never knock you. It doesn't. It doesn't conquer off. Because if I find out at Lisa's to cheating on me. I'm a lover I'm still gonna love her. You're gonna love to pull that trigger. But that's not going to overcome a stay with her. Yeah. Kidding me? No, it's no mess thing. Someone earlier I woke up to something on Twitter. And I thought it was interesting. Let me pull it up here. It was interesting question that actually kinda kinda resonates it what we're talking about. Right now was second to it'll be popping time. I'd be Papa don't forget follow your boy at be greater than be greater than. Okay. So short. He said do y'all have one that got away. And do y'all still be talking to him or her? Oh, I said if they still talking. Exactly exactly her response to that was if deigned together, then they got away incorrect. Thank you are maybe men just think differently in correct? That communication and God knows what you're talking about. That meant to ten is gang. Fuck that. That's that's where something might be worse than in. Yeah. It is a form to you know. I mean. My calendar to that was what happens if the one that got away is just someone who's never been single time. You were single correct. What happens? If y'all like there were some girls in my life where I look back, and I go we probably would have made it adult couple. But every time I was single. She was in single every time. She was single. I was in single. Did it just didn't work out doesn't work. But she's obviously not the one that got away because I wanted to work it would've worked right Ariana GRANDE. I say break break onboard break, your girlfriend or something like that. Sorry. But if you want something bad enough there and we're still communicating. There's nothing stopping you. There's nothing stopping. I'm sorry, go leave your man. I'm here. I'm here. You're supposed to be what meet leave your, man. Exactly. And if she don't then she ain't the one for you. Do you believe in having multiple soulmates? Now, see I would I would that would make sense because you had one. I think I subscribe to the notion that you have multiple you have soul mates were different times of your life. Like, I don't think mates 'cause I think your soul if you believe in soul, right? If we're talking about soul aired being. I think that changes as you change, right? Like, shouldn't it if you're if you grow up in a life of misery, and hey in bad wished like just things are bad having to your soul is going to be different than thirty years later. If you all of a sudden turn out every right or your social be different just like you change your social change. So if that's the case. The green light. If that's the case then. This should be like, I think so you're this is tough for you. Because you're you're you're the punk. But that what does that mean? Does that what does that mean break up at least why would I do that testings out? That's my theory. I'm trying to seize them. I won't be happy. Well, the Naga no come to come to the green light. And just sit here like bonds bonds and just see here. We will we're gonna find bonds woman. Hey bonds from what I hear bangles. He's. He's working. Maybe I don't know. I'm not blowing up his spot. No, no, no boggles always available. You I know Sida his DM's. But I think there's way too many people on earth one person was here for you. If you've never left, Hartford, Connecticut, and you find somebody that you spend the rest of your life with that means that that's your soulmate. There's literally if they're sixteen people on this planet. Let's see half more women. Let's say half of them of half of that are actually you're of age. See we're not talking about kids here. But let's say at any point there's a billion possible people that could be your soul mate, you found one. And you've also never left five miles of where you grown up. I don't believe that. I don't believe that I feel like people take that term in a slap to someone who deal with them. And that's my soulmate. But if you're if your life has it, and especially your relationship hasn't faced some sort of attrition some sort of. Difficulty. You can't tell me that. We haven't found your soulmate. I thought mine Kristof is a whole new what she goes. You can go five hundred soulmate. I mean, she can find what she does she want. But I know our relationship there have been moments where she could only have gone through that. Gotcha. If you were my soulmate, you know what I'm saying? Like we've had those moments. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you could have only have. But if maybe crystal met me ten years ago, I wouldn't have been ready for her. Maybe my soul wouldn't have been ready for maybe her soul wouldn't be ready for me. I can see where you're going with just say, yes. So. Yeah. So that's interesting. There you go. How's that three scenarios in one? Right. Do y'all feel love conquers all. Was the other one? We always the other one shit soulmate. So many so many believe soulmates and the one that got away got away if you're still talking to her or or if you do have someone that got away. Do y'all still communicate whatever I so let's get into topics so college the college air here, and there are a couple of years of colleges. Dabble in a couple years that sound like, Dan, Chris L only five shit. Sorry. I just came up so college, let's get to it avengers. Let's just I mean, do we want to start with this? Did we I mean, we're going to movies music, and this is going to be kinda? You know, what we can talk about events. If you want. No, let's not break out a sequel. That's not forgetting cycle. Can we do we get there so colleges not everyone? Do you agree that college is for everyone? No, colleges everywhere. So yes, you do agree. Those are questionable. See my head's gone sits on this loose. Do you? Do you believe that college is meant for everyone college? I don't believe colleges my favorite one. Do you believe that everyone could possibly benefit from college? Do you think that that's a different question? It is different question. And no everyone won't benefit from college. Because what happens? No all say what happens if you do go to college. You get nice degree. And you never land job. You're looking for. And you still have that big you find what you talking about the Bill. The blue boss. College wrong. I think they're too Parsa college. Okay. There's the continuing education that we all know of. And then there's the adult growing that you get from going to college. Okay. And that's in multiple facets, you grow financially because you learn okay actions that I take now can land me in hot water, depending on what I do. That's why I think sometimes eighteen is too young to be making those decisions, especially ones that are going to be paid for us your life. You also learn to grow as a person when it comes to dealing with other people, you know, for a lot of people. You know, we spoke nice get at you. We just spoke about people who never leave their hometown. And then claim that they found their soulmate, right? Some people never leave the whole town go to a college to actually finally come in contact with people who they would've never came in contact elsewhere. You know? So. I think there's sometimes there's unspoken benefits ecologist people don't speak about. Especially because I don't know if you're like me, but I had a lot of regrets high-school college. If I went to a traditional college might have given me the ability to get some of those back, and I would have probably I would have maybe had less or more. Maybe who knows who regrets on husky through. I would have done things. I've would do things a lot different. If I have a chance to go back there. I would definitely do things differently Ditto Ditto. So it was. It was. Bright kid. I knew the fuck I was doing. I just didn't like doing it. There you go. I shouldn't like doing like to do what I want to. I used to go to three gym classes. And when I only had one I used to go to multiple launch ways that shit ain't cou I can see one of those one of those kept going one of those you still go to lunch waves. I'm going to high school eighty four years old, and he's still going to look at what we have cool turn your hat backwards. Listen. So. Yes. College for everyone. But with that being said. HP see us, right? Historically, black college universities. A study was put out showing that the median federal debt load of about twenty nine thousand at graduation that affects third. That affects the average person graduating from ABC you as of two thousand seventeen is amongst the highest in the nation. And it's a problem huge. It's a problem because if you're somebody who gets attracted to go into these types of colleges, for whatever reason notoriety the historical impact, you have to take this to account. I mean when I eventually went to college for my criminal Justice degree. I went there knowing I could at least get a job from when I'm going there with direct that that shouldn't be the goal to go to college is right. You should go to go to college to learn about something you wanna do. Right. Of course. And you gain gain that social experience and a lot of reasons why you should go to college not to come up with it. Yeah. Yeah. But I think there should be right. There should be a lot of reasons. I don't think the main reason should be I'm doing this just so I can get a job. No, no. Because that's going to already setting yourself failure there. Right. So when people are going to college, you you have to keep it in the back of your mind, though, that if you're coming out four years later with a degree in a shitload of debt that you have you're responsible for that. And you're kind of already setting yourself backwards. If you're only going to do something that you think you want to do. And then all of a sudden, you find yourself in a spot where you're not doing it at all or you do find a job, and you're like, oh, I'm only making thirty two thousand damn that hurts someone of factors that they say weighed against, you know, students going to these schools is due to the widening. Gap between tuition increases and the lack of inflation nationwide. Parents of black college students, generally just have lower income, the parents of other racial groups. Correct. So there's less help to get your actual loan to get your finances together to actually go to the schools. They say that coupled with the fact that minorities tend to make less doing jobs than white people there there and a lot of these schools don't have large endowments that the other more popular schools get, you know. The yells dukes. The even the Georgetown's the the BBC's there's a lot of schools that those number go to knock your socks off you ready. Okay. My son's kinda sweaty nationally student loan debt in all time high in two thousand eighteen one point three six trillion. Just a second. That's a lot of damn day. There's a lot of money if people that's why bro is going to be the second is going to be the second the second crash Risi. Yeah. If everyone just stop paying student loans. I mean. Going to come after everybody. What are you gonna do? What are you gonna take this paper? By like, have it. Wow. It's it's sad. And I guess I just wanted to say that. What was it was a red talk shit? What did you say Bernie Sanders said? In. He's a baby boomers needed like three hundred and like ninety four hours of minimum wage to pay off a four year degree millennials need like three thousand hours like some crazy. I'm gonna find find that's crazy. Something's not right crazy. You go to college like you said to get a degree, obviously and get a job and social reasons but half the time, you go to college is a half probably more you'd even come up with a job which went to college four, and that's right in my house who at least four year degree in computer programming do enough computer program that goes back to what I said. But you learn you learn about what you're actually there to do. And then you probably go I don't wanna. It was a scary trailer dessiken baby. Where's he hanging down on TV nuts? Sorry, guys. Awesome. Crazy stuff on TV. And it scared me that little boy. So, but no that brings it up. Like if originally eighteen I won't do it a school for psychology, right? Two years in. I might go. I hate this. I don't really like this. But now what right now, so you get your spot where you go. Well, I might as well finish it because already two years in it. It's too expensive. The switches too late to switch now of a sudden, you get a degree in psychology. But you go I don't want to do this. So then you go do something else. I think that is a typical situation most because you're forced to make this crazy decision. Everyone should at the bare minimum half to two years of general studies and then coming third year. That's when you make a decision on your major. I agree. It shouldn't be going eighteen. What are you doing eighteen? Nobody really knows what they wanted to all know, you could think about what you wanna do what you wanna do. So this was the stat the boomer generation needed just three hundred and six hours of minimum wage work to pay for four years of public college. Millennials need four thousand four hundred fifty nine the economy today's rigged against working people in young people. And this is what we we are going to. You know, that's that is stupid. So when when people when people older than us try to tell us way, you're playing games here. We're playing two different games here. Like the way it's almost it's almost like y'all play. It's like y'all played Mario on easy mode. And now we plan it on max difficult to one life. I can't even give him the Florida, bro. He even Jimmy right? Michael Joulwan broke you can try to broken. He can't step on the mushroom as you say here. He just goes through. And you say here telling me how come I suck at this game? No, it's just give us a fair chance of your palm. I'm having your mushroom my controllers broken when we play Matt. I find the crack and the controller. So I think that's the reason why you have such an advantage. I'm gonna go buy new control. Suppling kids play which controls broke it. So with that being said for all those listening questioning college, listen only, do it. If it's something that you feel like you wanna do or need to do or it's something that's gonna make you a better person. Don't forget this options out there, you know, trades, you know, businesses entrepreneurship Andrew you have two options military or military ended discussion damn, you know. And I still recommend military. If you're somebody who at least don't if you don't if you haven't found yourself yet, if you're somebody who instead of doing the alternate, which is just throwing yourself into a school and getting that debt in amassing that debt, you know, go to four years in the military. I agree at least you might be able to gain a little bit of yourself before you come back to make that decision again and this benefits mostly IBM shaped, you know, get an meet some new people you get a nice little network. And and yeah, so, but yeah, shouts. HPC us. They need some help. I should have went to the motor shape. I was thinking about about scared. I believe it or not. I wanted to my mom stopped me. Why that she wanted to go today? Now, you buy the dog because you over overweight. So either way I just veggie. Right. She wanted to kill you her. What exactly yeah? No. I was in the same spot. But I remember I graduated for years after nine eleven so it was like now how wanna go over there. Like, I would have been in their door ever here. Yeah. Oh well. Oh well. I think I'd have been dealt with military. Talk talk back a lot at target. You've been shot. Why you keep thinking it'd be tall? Oh, you pay sort stomach stare. Yes. You do. Yes, you do. Yes. You do Dan and I deserve them. So you haven't hide you have a hit from it. So I. So speaking heighten. Passes a nasty. Spanish. Right. Well, he reminded me. He. Here we go. What's his name Lewis Clark that doesn't matter? Why does it least clerk we Dominican Dominican? So authorities say thirty eight year old youth pastor from south Florida church, south Florida that near Broward County does. Does. So a thirty eight year old us pastor at a south Florida church coerced girl into having sex with him by threatening the turn her family into ice. Son. Using. Using the tool that this knucklehead uses to threaten people to do my God. And then he admitted to it. I'll be rots in jail and then in hell after this girl's life is ruined. Yeah. I'm saying she can't come out of. I mean, I say that because that'd be wrong of me. But for the foreseeable future. She's she's fucked up. Yeah. This is back to what I said. How can you tell me that her love now needs to be patient? Her love is blind. Her love is all of these things. How is she ever going stuff into another church or trust? Another patch of the pastor. Trust another man. Fifteen years old. Yeah. They said over the span of six months and twenty sixteen twenty seventeen when he was a part time pastor at some churches, some Spanish word and at one point he forced a fifteen year old boy to watch him assaulted a girl and that boy went to the police so shout to him. Shouts for doing right thing. Good for you. Good for you. Shout him. Do the right thing. Don't don't if you see something like that this be a snitch all day long. Yeah. You don't want that on your conscience? I couldn't imagine growing up with that on my conscience. Now, you know, especially something bad happened to her. No, snow terrible. Continues bad news, actually, what we're talking about people doing nasty things. Boy scouts. We're gonna boy scouts never where your boys in. Boy scouts will never be. Why not don't trust them? Don't want. My boys near nowhere. None of that shit. You don't want to know what your boys the popcorn? Nope. Okay. Also. Now you. Offset. Abused by the boy scout leaders more widespread than earlier thought. The boy scout of America's own records show that more than twelve thousand children hold on. Hold on hold. That's crazy sometime. More than twelve thousand children have been sexually assaulted while participating in the organization's programs. Son with such a huge number of victims organization could be facing multiple lawsuits. And as a result, bankruptcy. Even imagine my my stomach turn you the day. When Omar said that I was playing football and kick him up being punched me interface. My stomach weight came out to my son in punch him in this face. My stomach turn my hair's on my arm stood. And it was bad enough. Can you imagine if I find this boy, and I was getting ready to go to school and punch his face? I handle differently. What he's L. I remember what his ass next time. You touch them wanna hear about this anymore. I'm not saying you just go to fight you tweet, Omar that you told the kids more to whip his ass, and he's he almost twice to kiss size. If you touch you again lay him out. Lay him out. You'll get you'll be updating us next week about why Omar's in here because. But it from school to school to be a bully or to fight. But you have to stand your ground. I am sorry. You don't don't let that happen. Don't let it get Omar. And those those boxing classes about soon as or something no on use it. We not supposed to. Wait what we'll be doing this wrong. Oh, he's dancing. This the prom my bad. I thought I was supposed to put you in clinic joke. Exact that rear, naked choke. Unbelievable stuff at this is crazy. This is crazy. Yeah. No. Fifteen. I'm worried about the report found that twelve thousand two hundred and fifty four children were allegedly abused by seven thousand eight hundred nineteen scout leaders now, I will say seven thousand eight hundred nineteen probably wasn't the full amount because it said allegedly you so you have to right. We have to assume there's is some but still twelve thousand two hundred and fifty four you ain't get that number wrong. Like, you still within at the very most you're still above ten thousand. That's a lot of kids. It's almost as if with this and with church. A boys growing is just to get touched by somebody. Why we are. Now. These boys goes to hell just always goes, go get shutdown himselves. I mean, I kind liked the idea boy scouts, but not this boy scout knows gray scout and boys for real crazy. And if you think about it, if you're if that's your your thing. That's how you get off. If you're sick in the head, and you know that does it for you. You just go do that. Right. Like, that's like. Going to know boy scouts go into an all boys. College. A man right here to negro here. Oh, so long. Going can't watch. Now, you wanna stay over? You wanna say Mr. Coles in jail for rape. So tell me again. Toby? Sick bastard. Talented. Unbelievable, Margie mystical. Ruin my moment. Book that mystical moment. So let me let me tell you this. Let me ask you this. Anyway, if you had to go back and be a kid all over would you have would you have which one would you pick being a boy scout or being in a church group? Nah. No boy scouts the numbers and other high matures GU I'll stay in the youth group. I serious. It can't be that. Hi, I'm have to look it up. I'll have tell me more about why you would rather be in a church group. Yeah. I'll be in the church. Boy scouts. I've never liked boy scouts to begin with and tell you I don't wanna tell you 'cause everybody's too sensitive nowadays. So you know, what I'm not telling you go ahead. Nope. To episode now, I'm not gonna tell you when I was younger. I see the boys want to go with a bunch of group of boys. Ain't no girls boys goes gay not wanted to. You're not allowed to say exactly exactly now. I know what you meant. Not even that's not even listen, I'm telling you how I'm telling you right now. Listen, you saying the numbers like that? Oh shit member. We spoke about this last year more than three hundred Pennsylvania priest abuse a thousand children, so we're playing that numbers game, bro. This. There's more precincts world in his boy scout leaders. Yeah. You get in touch someone, bro. Damn, bro. The attitude of the care too. They wanted to give it a broke you kind of attitude now, but nobody was talking to me. I'd have been swinging. They would. Swing. It from scout leader Bob's. Long. Father's velez. If you can be the scout that your children needs without doing on nasty stuff do debt. Do that the are sick sick. Speaking of sick. I mentioned it previously. There was a shooting at another synagogue becoming a joke. I'm not saying another synagogue, I'm saying another place of religion place of religious practice. A gunman opened fire at a California synagogue, Saturday morning killing one in wounding three more the incidents incidents. The incident took place at the bottom of pow away synagogue in a San Diego suburb apo- Kelly and came on the final day of Passover. Once again on another day that's supposed to be celebrated. Another supposed to be nothing. But happiness. We're talking about violence. We do realize that you mentioned earlier there is hey elder. And sometimes eight patients showed us ugly face. I still think love is greater than hey. But hey has been winning a lot the last couple of weeks? Hell last couple we've been here long year. Eight beaten on us hate got us up twenty eight to three what are we doing wrong? How can we change this? We need to start taking example. Absolutely down down down to be mercenaries like punisher in the Harvey obvious sniper. So quick held. I'm going to jail. Not somebody's gonna die Farmington. They're gonna blame us the green light. Look at what he was doing what he was doing. You never know internet history. So, you know, the lady who. Sadly passed away Louis Gilbert K six year old woman. They say that she was a huge presence in the area. She was just one of those people that was always hear some former fashion. Witnesses say she jumped in front of the synagogues founding rabbi who was wound. The rabbi was wounded Bolger's drinks, you took a book via basically, so you taking a bullet for LA, hell any. You gotta get you. You bet aside burn. Yarmulke bullets. I'm definitely not jumping from a bullet from NAS on Nacion. Is there any occasion where I would jump in front of that? My wife, my wife, and my kids in a Harbi, the president fluke that that's why I can't believe the secret service. They start showing I'm ducking should this president. I might be behind. He's gonna be my shield. Shield. Might be behind a bullet going going like this blowing faster. I'm sorry. President don't don't put me on secret service veto. Your benefit. Nope. I'm like, yeah. You her got shot a word. Desk crazy here houses into this new mystical. I was on break Mr. from prison. Of. Of it. Lastly last bit of said news unbelievable. Eight people shot in Baltimore. Yes. There were. That's crazy. What happened what happened to your nor wrestler arrest after a Catholic shooting tech in Baltimore? Police. Detectives are still looking for the person that did the shooting, but someone just decided to open fire. I think was at a party. It was like at a party somewhere. There was. Jeez. Excuse me. A week and cookout winter. The fact that the cookout ain't safe. No more. How about dual cook? There was to cook. I was going on and think it was. You think it was because he says I'm about they don't know if it was. If it was a frenzied competition between underworld groups or a case of triggerman seeking vengeance. Or other some kind of senseless strike, I have no clue what it was. But some hype raisins in potato salad potatoes. How the barbecue chicken and peace out? I'm bringing this. I'm bringing a bulletproof vests everywhere. I go. Getting too. That's how we got to leave just as no there were safe personally. I try and living. Best life. I try not to leave my house and even think about this. I really don't I really really don't. But damn when you sit in a restaurant, you gotta be looking at shoulder. It's just not cool who you're not safe anywhere. They can happen at a blink of an eye even with people like a out fam-. I cook out you only go into if you know what people right, right, right? And you only go out if you're having a good time, you only you're supposed to be having a good time at it. Cookout cookout is for. So the fact that you tell ten on more. You know? So it's kind of that the cook outing safe how you shoot someone over Marvin Gaye. Exactly they're playing. If I get shot during the CIA slide, son. Never mind. Go up saying people need to get over that damn Tartas slide. I'm sticking in every day party. I'm sick here. The cha-cha goddamn slide. That's the same shit all the ghetto hokey pokey. Can we stop playing? To cuba. Chef oh, you know when I like the wobble wobble wobble, baby. While we. Another to the wall. Low johnson. Heitmann? To the wall. Anyway, I think he got a residency in Vegas there. Yeah. They're making good money. Bro. Her shiva. He don't need to out there. Like getting it in young gotta issue for them. Listen, let's play the new MJ play new m j girl G R L came out this past Friday. Shout to him doing big things over there in Japan Yokoyama. And this song is available on all streaming platforms. Check it out girl. You heard it here. 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Bee green. This is guy to stay right there. The greenness science. B B B B B B green. Onto saying like size ship. We need stuff getting. Be greenness science guys. Let's get into it. Bang bang bang. So parents more on the book, let's try that one more time with actual English, folks. Parents are more uncomfortable with gender non conforming behaviors in boys study fines. Publishing a journal psychology of sexual orientation and gender. Diversity reports. Parents are more comfortable with girls, partaking and gender. Non conforming behavior than boys and attempt to change their sons behaviors more frequently. I felt this is perfect for you. Especially after you just told me that you want. Your boy, Omar to put a gogo plot to on that young, man. Tears as up. So basically what they have shown is. Parents when it comes to sons. Are less forgiving to gender gender-neutral things. I e parents are more apt to let their daughter play football their moral cable letting their daughter be a tomboy. They're more care with their daughter liking, dyestuff or boy stuff. Versus the other way. And when boys do exhibit signs or behaviors showing that they're more interested in the doll or they're more interested in mommy, when she puts on her makeup, or they're more interested in any of these things when that does happen. Parents are more apt to change or attempt to try to change that why is that why do you think? So I can see that. My only opinion on that would be that and shit. I figured I think I will be that way. Two girls of more, strong, willed and boys. I think girls are less easier to be influenced them, boys. So when they are doing all these tomboy activities, they slow what shut up what does influ- what what does influence have to do with? What what is it? I was going. They're influenced by what they're doing. All right. So she's being a tomboy out. She's being a tomboy. But in Becker mind, she knows I'm still young lady them, boys. Let their minds drift differently. Young ladies these young boys start playing with dial. There's no basis for saying that you are you are dangerously. Flirting back into episode twenty. Where you think if a kid plays with the dogs? That's what you're saying. First of all, you're secretly, first of all, you're speaking like, you know, you don't know because you're just you're in the back of the girls minds. You know, if a girl likes to play with action figures race cars and football. She likes to play with that. She's not thinking in my mind. I'm a Princess, but I do this. If she goes, no, I like to do this stuff. Stop doing something in that something in think reverting back to yes, you are the liquor. On big JR. Woo vega. Your I listen, I'm seeing a trend here. You're telling you kid, you'll beat someone up. Why not you're telling your kid that if you know? Boys because this gay go dance with mystical, Mr. Mr. rape. And now you're saying, oh, you ain't playing with no toys because you might get influenced. Don't don't I shouldn't. I shouldn't be somebody. If Omar came home, it's a data. I'm going to do gymnastics. Ten if he's been to gymnastics, you're right. If he's doing catching a woman, and you know, he's he's catching he's looking up her skirt coup Behan, gut nam if he's looking up her, sir. We even on air you to get into. Yeah. No, no, no, no, Jim are are right wing conservative your ship is about to go up because of your no, no gymnastics. Why not? He's a football. Now, what if your daughter came home if you had one Zander Risha and said daddy alledgedly football as not because I don't wanna get hurt. I wouldn't want to go. It's not nothing. Like you. Don't want your son to do it not because of anything other than now, you ain't doing this on gay. But I you said it would your mouth, but words. Got leader. But you let your daughter do it because you don't want to get hurt. My little Princess to get hurt. No. No. With all of that. Yeah. Go ahead and get your little bust it. But exactly an issue crying. But that's lesser. She has her own. And then you'll be mad as some boy speared her ass. She should listen. That's a lesson. She has a learner her own. I'm going to support my daughter anything. She wants to do because I know what it's like to not have support. I hear you. And I hear you. I do hear that. Yes. Strong statement. Although initially researchers presumed parents warmth towards your children would be an indicator of acceptance of gender non conforming behavior. The study shows otherwise parents who report greater warmth, also say they make more attempts to change their child behavior. If it does not align with societal expectations, Allah gymnastics and boys. Researchers attribute this result to apparent belief that intervening in such behavior is a good thing. Not a negative reaction as previous studies have shown parents are concerned with how they how the public may use such behavior and believe they are doing more good than harm by tipping to redirect this child to sizzle. As the attempt to redirect their child to social norms. So basically in their mind, they're okay with it. They just they're just worried about what everybody is thinking about it. Well, that's usually the thing that's wrong with most of us. Right. Like, yeah. Like think about it. Do you legit have a problem with your son being in love with another man, or do you have a problem with you having to explain to your best friend? Why your son is in love with another man, you can say if I step in if I am I know who I am. I don't care what other people think everyone cares. People think I personally don't put on you don't put on Cologne because you like the way it smells because you know. I'm Jay r I a smell smoke fresh. I got you get the haircut. Not you ain't got no hair to cut. So you get a haircut in the shape up. Everyone cares. What people think the haircut you care? What your boss thinks? No well care. Okay. All right. Okay. You don't care. What your boss things? You get you literally get money paid off how well you work. But you don't care what to Boston's different. No. That isn't that. Isn't what you think? But as far the haircut, I do because I want to know you, I know you wanna look fresh for who for me know, what is what is fresh. You taking a bath. And you being cleaned to be fresh that is into you a new haircut makes you feel. In terms of enfor who you care about. How you look bro us here about how you look at. How I am. Yes. Other people. Yes. You do care. How you look to the people. Yes. Yes. I only care about what? Lisa. Thanks. You're right. That's people. That's a person. Right. She's not you. She is. Right. And I bet you she also cares. The way you look to other people because guess what you represent her. If at least came out the house with her hair wrapped with slippers on with mom and a beard, and all these other things he's not getting the car would. No, you see it coming to. All right. So so yes. So basically what I'm saying is guys ladies sub can weather people saying just let your child because what they're finding is you thinking, oh, let me try to push my son towards something manly. They're thinking. Oh, that's a positive thing. They're actually finding out this having negative ramifications on your kid. So it's not as simple as oh. He'll get over it. No. You're hurting your kid. Gotcha. We don't wanna hurt our kids. Right. Gotcha. Weena Wayne tyreek hill over here. We're having this conversation briefly if your child turn out gay would you support him? I would I would because it's my son. It would be hard for me. It would be difficult. I was watching the TV episode this week where TV episode empire. I'll let you empire, and you know, gays, but he's on the show on the show. He's he came out gay. If you have a few seasons ago and his dad. Can't think of his name or knows ruining. Howard flipped out straight flipped out this past week. He got married. To a guy took guys and he acts, and he asked, you know, his debt walk down the aisle. And boy he was not having that. But you know, he came to realization lead on episode. I'm doing it for my son to support him. So he did walk down eventually. Fake turns our exactly. I would do it. But that goes back to what people think like. He was probably soli contrived from. I don't want to be seen as someone like versus your support for your child should over rank anything else. Correct. Correct. And I'm not telling you to be completely resolved completely devoid of what other people think because I don't think anyone can absolutely turn that off. Right. We all care about what someone thinks about us in some way, shape or form. But your support love your kid should override all of that. And I'm not saying change your opinion of how you feel about certain things. But you need to mask that opinion when it comes through. I think you should work on changing, you think so? Yeah, I mean, if you're if you're opinion is what is your opinion? Like, what was Terrence Howard's? I notice the TV show, what could have been his opinion of gay people. He's like this is not the norm has basically that's not the norm. I walk my daughter Nile walking a on the. Yeah, you're right. It's not the norm. But guess what? It's your norm. Ooh, that's the. Moving on. Okay. Tell me something good year in Chicago. Robert king was driving home from work. Okay. Robert king witnessed an accident is Robert king Martin Luther King. He's not he's just another random German named king. He would miss an accident. This accident was an organ transport vehicle. Mr. king was unaware of that at the time. So the organ transport vehicle was taking a kidney to facility to trance to transplant on someone. Kidneys came out of the body for X amount of time or they won't work. So Mr. king gave the gentlemen and the kidney arrived to the hospital. So it can be inserted into the new person on time. I thought that was used I thought that was nice of Mr. king because you don't have to just pick a random people, but he did to save a life challenge to him. Ronnie king Robert Robert K shout, Robert king. You know? That's that's those are those moments where just being a good person. Just you know, like the the amount of karma. That's gonna come your way. Mr. king for doing something like that that you didn't have to do salute to you, bro. Drew by this van. I bet I bet. Don't get me wrong. All those people who like to the person who's rushing to get to a school's his son school because he found out his sung punching face mustn't kid during football like is he held to the same standard as someone who has off day, and he's just chilling and drove by I don't I don't want to you know. Criminalize those people, but I'm glad that someone stopped. Definitely. So hopefully people hear the story, and they might second guess in this day and age it's tough to stop. That's crazy. Ain't gotta Vance. Take my kidney. Exactly, exactly. So shouted him for keeping an open mind and getting that Deng Xiao to them. My good goes out to Abigail Disney. Disney's do not she's a granddaughter of company co founder, ROY Disney of Disney. Right. She's been on this tirade lately of going after the companies. Prioritization of its funds and how they pay people. So just days after calling the pay of Disney's top brass insane. The granddaughter of company of the company co owner, ROY Disney wrote an opinion piece in the Washington Post, and wishing that she's struck a nerve with the Twitter thread about wage inequality at Disney company. Here's a colorful quotes. She believes that Disney could well lead the way if it's leaders so chose to a more decent humane way of doing business. They could change the way that the world does business in terms of how they view entry level employees, low level, employees and such. Besides at the pay levels. We are talking about an executive giving up half of his bonus. That's what she wants. She wants executives to give up half their bonuses to those who are to the lowest paid employee. So, you know, the people working at the parks she like that besides the pay levels. We were talking about an executive giving half his bonus has zero effect on his quality of life for the people at the bottom. It could mean a ticket out of poverty or debt. It could offer access to decent health care or an education for child by any objective measure pay ratio over thousand is insane. She said of one of the top executives pay which amounts to sixty six million, which is a hundred excuse me, one thousand four hundred twenty four times that of the median salary of Disney employees. There's a point at which is just too much going around the top of the system into this. Classic people who I'm sorry. This is so radical have too much money. The argument fails to acknowledge that the cost of living varies. Place to place in few can make it on on that no matter where they live. She goes. There's no reason why we should be talking about Disney being one of the companies to pay their employees fifteen dollars per hour by twenty twenty one. She goes that's not even close to enough. At a company that has never been more profitable. Who's top executives drive home with seven in eight figure paychecks, and whose primary resource is the good spirit public facing people who greet guests day after day. Why are we dancing around minimum wage anyway? I'm just posing for the fans. Thing. Yeah. So shout to her. You would have to because it's going to take people like this the change this. I agree. We can talk. All you want about inequality because we're on the bottom in note, like the poor don't care like the regional care about the poor out of say, but once more of the rich start filling this way about things, then guess what things will start to change because they're going to have to realize listen, let me think about it. Disney is a company that is all about good, right? And I get it. And I get it too. Because you know what? Those lower employs are working their asses off. They're doing the work the executives all they're doing is in meetings and talking about what's next, and I'm not going to tell the executive earned whatever earned, quote, unquote. I'm saying, quote, unquote, because some people get in there because of who they know who they they suck who their parents. Yeah. You know, those are the people that come in constant contact every day the person who works at the McDonald's drive through the person who works at the WalMart cashier. These are the people who come in contact with the people who spend their money at your parks every day at your stores every day at your restaurant every day. These people definitely should be making more than minimum wage to keep these parks. Clean is got to be one of the hardest. Jobs, aggravating, very people. Don't care aggravating me. I'm not the one that's going to drink a mutual building a floor. That's not my style. I'm gonna find a garbage can. And if one of my children don't on the floor. Pop heading. Deal the wound up to doesn't even you don't give a shit pick. It up Omar going to a front flip back spring handstand combo. New. He was the part. I mean, these work hard work, very hard to keep these parks clean for us. We don't care because we say we would not people trash to these. I miss Japan, bro. It was very clean. I'm sure it's it's not even at that. Is that? But it was also very like people did every task that they had whether it was the person check in the subway ticket to the person that was at the cashier lines. Like, people seemed as if everything they did they had pride in it. Bothers me. I've gone too, many fast food restaurants, and it bothers me to pull into a fast food restaurant parking spot get outta my car and is a dirty diaper on the floor. This garbage is all around the goddamn restaurant hitting me. You mean, you that lazy to change your child's diaper and dumping the garbage some people have no respect for the the place. They call home. Absolutely silly. It's absolutely you call this place, your home, you know, for some reason people's homes don't extend pass, I guess their house, which is sad that goes back to things like in Japan school, you know, as as a middle schooler, I think event L A lamentably school high schoolers they have to clean the school. They clean the school JR into because guess what if you spend all your life cleaning public areas where you, you know, your friends and your classmates us do naturally just extend that onto life. Correct. You're just a better person from where you know, it's kind of like. In passing a few mad episodes ago. If everyone was required to do a fast food job, a retail job and the main labor job outside of high school or throughout high school, or whatever this world will be a better place. I agree because you would know what people have to go through to deal with that nonsense. And I'm not perfect, but I'm overly. I understand with you. Go through. What am I biggest pep Eve's? Walmart target supermarket is gut nam shopping cart in parking spaces. Lazy? Walk you cut the shopping cart back to a spot where they belong. I have no parliament. I don't give a winter rain. I walked by shopping cart back to spot. Where belongs somebody's compact. There. Lynn their cars, you to get dinged. Just once again, that's people not caring about anyone but themselves, it's lazy. Don't don't do it. So shout her hopefully, she can get some change, John. Hopefully, more people you can't take it with you guys. You can't take it with you start using that money for some good. Yes. And do so bang. Let's get into. Now, this the fault of the show where we talk about things like pop coach icons video games. Grab a snack pull up compared with the click. It's the green light movies music ish. So let's get let's get into. It's time hold on keep talking. We are. We're gonna talk about game of thrones. You don't watch those, you know, but I'm so hurt somebody sad for you. So I heard somebody died in game of thrones. At noon was expecting was going to die. Kind of. But I mean for against that hold on. I just think it's only appropriate that we do this. Shit. I always do forgot. It Paul's ready starts over bang. I know what that is. You ain't gonna fix. Beard. This beer. So avengers. And game. What do we start with do? We wanna start with ratings. Do we want to break the movie down the start with spoiler alert? Spoiler alert. Spoiler everybody. That's listening that hasn't seen it. Listened watched it or anything spoiler alert fast forward. You know, a good twenty minutes watching fucking should should've walked, no. No, no, no, don't say that to them. It's not nice. No, not fuck them. But we're still going to say them. But we're does y'all know that from this point on we talking about the movie because if you haven't seen one of the biggest Hollywood blockbusters ever in movie cinema history. That's your fault not ours. One of the best marble movies. I've ever saying one of the best movies the best movie I've ever seen. It's up there. With one of the best moves I've ever seen. Yes. Indeed. With that being said it wasn't perfect. And I'll let you get into that. Could you saw it twice? Right. Rest in peace. Ray into it. Right. Black widow. She can die fall. You. Fucker tracks. Going to do shoot at door. That she got my heart. Don't display widow. Dizzy shut this podcast down because he's Scarlett Johansson should not die arly. Scarlett Johansson should have not died. Just fine to die. Listen, pretty people dive, baby. Sorry. I just don't I don't care for character. I don't care for her a superhero. I don't care for her. Wow, she's trash, but let's talk about the movie first of all just give me your rating. I'm gonna give you my rating. I gave it five out of five fat doors. I'll give it five out of five captain America. Shields. You're gonna go captain America as no 'cause captain America's she that's America's ass five out of five. Okay. I love everything about the movie, except don't don't don't don't do that that you love everything about the movie. Let's talk about the movie high fine. Hi, fine, fine. Let's talk about the movie. Let's talk about the movie for you get into the negatives. All right. So the movie starts up with the gut wrenching scene. Turn my stomach out the gate. I was pissed when that happened so Hawkeye Clint. Is out in his ranch. You know, he has his ankle bracelet on this is basically explaining why he wasn't in civil war, right? He was out or Infinity war in Philly. What right. He's out there playing with his daughter showing her how to shoot a bow and arrow bang, right? His kids are in the back future vendor. Hate you his kids are in back with his wife talking about hot dogs, and we are condiments, right? They playing baseball some nonsense. She shoots into the aero. She shoots to aero back into the target. Bullseye. He goes he doesn't go get her ERO. You always get your EROs. Right. As he bins down to pick some offers, something some of the other violet, which is of his daughter gone gone. If you look closely, you can actually see the ass and do. So he goes. Where are you? Immediately turns to his wife and his two sons. They're either where they go poof gone. Gone. So say, I don't even think the song that the main intros rolled yet this point, right? So we're opened up with that gut wrenching scene. How many did you cry during this movie? No, I cried four times I cried four times. No takes you cry more. But I let yourself cry. That was the beginning. I was set about so. We merely get into the shits, right? The guys. Black widow included, a guess. They divulge plan. We're going to find famous we're going to kill them. We're going to get these stones, and we're going to fix everything. They said they nose. Was just cooking breakfast. Cook. It Bradford's mind his business mind. Pick some big as mango. And the vendors pulled up on them, captain marvel included now, this is my first introduction to captain marvel. 'cause I didn't meet captain marvel the movie I didn't watch it. Did you watch the movie what were your impressions of captain marvel boss bitch? I loved Marlins movie at in without heard. This went down the way it went back. Don't care. Don't care. I don't care if it went to different way loved her did not care for her. I do not. I'm sorry. I'm not sold on breathe Larsen, and I get it. She's supposed to she's supposed to be like the the mercenary like she's not like member she made. It clearly known. There's other problems going on earth is the problems going on in the world as an herb. Okay. Get get outta here in leave. Okay. They don't wanna see you like sup. Remind him stop doing that lake webs of every time at least hits you up with a problem you go. Well, you know, I'm working to right? Shut up. I'm not I don't wanna hear about your work. I'm telling you about a problem. I got. Shut up punk ass, captain marvel. But anyway, they roll up to when he's pop making him eggos cut off his arm, basically kill which pissed me off. Thor took his head off the piss me off why. Because I thought where the fuck is the movie going from here, they dead already. What's going to happen? The rest of this movie. That was very surprising. Guess that was initially. I thought. Okay. I knew time was involved because I figured that's the only way they could get the guys back. What I didn't know how time was going to relate to. Thing knows dying. When he said, he destroyed the Infinity stones correct? I said, oh, I don't know. What the hell's about to happen now? So fast forward. It was a five years later five years later, if I use later famous is dead, and this reality, everyone has came to the conclusion that they have to accept that being everyone's being gone captain America is running help group which is weird. Kind of where they're talking like helping begin over there at city field city field tragic, it always does or has a bigger than me. Thor crazy bigger about it makes lead. It was a mood as Christmas at doors mood. He was hulk was hopes Guston. Hawk that. I don't like that. Little soft voice talking whole face. Looks like Bruce banner KOMO come all to my boy. So the hulk and for those who know the hoax story, the hulk and Bruce banner have officially became one. So. Why him better himself king become win? When reading the hook because he had shorts genius grey. I grew up with. Girl. Treatment. Yes. So Mark Ruffalo. Was basically CGI on the hulk. You and I liked it. Because it kind of its he for once he once during this whole this whole chain of movie since he was in it. This is the first time we actually looked happy. Book happy. Oh shit. I wonder angry Hoke I want him to change. Don't don't do that ruined. Hope for me as a child Hoke was not fucking Bruce banner and Hoke at the same time. Let's not do that because you didn't pay attention. Now. I was not happy it happened. In the comics, screw the comics. It didn't have an a TV show eating happen in any of the hulk movies, by the way, which one of them sucked with EBay, what are you talking about? And you watch that movie as an adult. Right. You're right. So so man gets out of you guys. If you guys seen man to man was lost in the quantum room for those who saw the end of that movie when he went into the quantum realm, everyone that was helping him. Dr Pym and his girlfriend wasn't him hope. Yes. The wasp disappeared. So he was basically stuck in a quantum. Ralph now would appear to be five years on the outside actually turned into five hours on the inside for him. He actually came out due to the help of a cat accidentally stepping on the or rescues me stepping on or messing with the device in the time travel machine that they use correct which was van. They said that the rat was the real MVP because it wasn't for that rat. He would've still been in there. All right. All right. Yeah. So he came back. He linked up with the avengers basically discussed idea time travel using the quantum theory realm nonsense. They tried to enlist Tony stark to get it in at this point. We're met with some more heart wrenching moments because Tony stark, guess what has a daughter. He raise it. He he, and he's the type of father, you expect like like he talks to his daughter like the way that you would expect Dan there's no such better casting. Robert Downey junior for towing start the man Robert Downey junior hats off kudos the man. And we'll we'll we'll get into that. And a little bit. Why that's even more. Needed for him. But yes, so they try to convince him he's concerned that if he goes back in time that it make him lose what he has now life with pepper Potts. Her name is so stupid pepper Potts and his daughter. So. You know, but Tony being Tony. He can't live with the idea that he has a chance to change things. So he eventually agrees. They devise a plan to go back. Find all the time all the time find all the Infinity stones at different points. So it actually turns into this dope point in his movie where they all when I say, they all iron man, the hulk captain America. Black widow Thor nebula fucking nebula. Ant man, Hawkeye they actually get Hawkeye and get them to stop killing people. 'cause he's he goes on. Oh, my bad. He goes on a murderous rage. That's one of the things I also didn't like about this movie, but we'll get into that. When we talk about things being like, but they go on collective force where they basically go through all the past avenger movies pass superhero movies to find moments where they actually got came in contact with the stones to get the stones back. Bring them back with him to the current reality to then make a gauntlet to spring, the people back blase, blah that turns into nebula somehow being nebula. They knows finds out those comes back to the current time. And yeah, big battle ensues everyone in a mama comes out everyone sign things. Bam of giving it to the news, right? How do you? How do you feel about that forced woman power seeing? Enjoyed it. I enjoyed everything about the movie I enjoyed it. Into. I you ever enjoy something until everyone else gets hands on it. Yes. Like, so the scene I'm talking about captain marvel catches the Infinity gauntlet after Spiderman we cry Spiderman came back and gave Tony Sarka hug. Bad kill mode. On so captain marvel gets Gong Li after captain marvel shows up like she wants to speak to every manager and a thousand yard radius with that stupid ad haircut. And. His name. The little raccoon. What's his name raccoon fucking hit? He talked about the haircut. Yeah. Yeah. So she shows up with the with the Infinity gauntlet, and then she needs to get to the other side of the battlefield. So who's in front of her pepper? First of all pepper was probably the one of the dopes, which he came in with her ironman for those that don't obviously know they didn't see it. But in the beginning when you finally see Tony Stark's daughter. She's playing with the helmet that Tony goes, we that's anniversary gift for your mom turns out, that's actually the iron man suit that she appears in during this huge fight. So she's there hope as wasps. There denies there to challenge sisters. They're all of the women in the marvel universe. Is there to help captain marvel get this gauntlet to the other side, right? And it's kinda like a scene of women in parliament, really dope. Loved it. It was awesome. Kind of gave me chills. But then I go. I saw and one of the best things about when moments like this happened don't movies or TV shows is the internet because then the memes come right? Yes. Mal focus said, why did they do all of that just for captain marvel to fly ahead of? It was like out help lead the way that she just took off and was like nagishi outran. She outran our coverage. She outran her coverage on that kick return and got power stoned across them of in battlefield. But anyway, long story short. Comes down to someone eating to snap the fingers to get rid of all the evil that has invaded the current earth and who steps up to the gauntlet, no pun intended. He goes. And I am. Iran, man shit on chills. Snaps his finger. They knows all the demons. He brought with them disintegrate. And so goes Tony stark. Yes. Indeed. Yes. Indeed right now be a perfect time to announce Tony stark as king of the week king of the week. But I gotta Queen of the week. Honorable mention after marvel fucker, no. We'll get into that. So Tony stark dies. They decide that. Hey, we got a return. These finished stones back to where they need to go. That was a deal. Some people have made like for instance. Beast. Wow. The hulk made that deal with the ancient one when he got it from her. So they sent captain Mario son. When captain America had only near son. Oops for those listening at one point four Thors dual wielding he's building known year. And the storm breaker he throws them east does meal near at was he threw it at Thanos, and then captain America caught it. The theater Russ on guy just shows. Right. They're thinking about it. The theory ripped into your. Sun. Boy, just gave me chills. Seeing you Puerto Rico. Adman? Captain America gave it to Dana. Oh my God. But yeah. So then captain America goes back in time. With meal near the stones to return them. It's like five seconds for reality. But it's really like, however long he takes he comes back. They don't know where he's at. They don't know where he is. Where is he comes back as a an old man he decided to lead up to it? He decided no no game on do it like cinematic he decided to not done he decided to. But you're not even meet up with agent Carter back in the past. So try let me let me show how did it? So he comes back, but he's nowhere to be found Bucky and the falcon sitting here. Where's he where's captain America? Bucky looks off into the distance. He sees a figure sitting on a bench. Overlooking lake who is that he says I don't want to give them too much because he's fucked ours. Spoiler taps falcon, they go walk closer. They realize. That might be who we think it is. Bucky looks vile. Can he goes you? Go you go. I fucking walks up to them. It is captain America old is hell, oh, we know. He doesn't age old is how like my co-host JR said he decided to take his time in the past with a wedding ring owned, by the way, otas entering Mary to agent Carter. And he's done done going gonna take up the man of captain America. He has a shield with them. Does he get the she'll to JR gives it to? Hawkeye Hawkeye Hawkeye Hawkeye foul. Can he gives us a falcon h you at hawk? Lob, and you just like. I don't like it. But why won't fucking to be kept him because he's black. Just don't. Why it has nothing to do with his literally captain America in the comics comic saw he literally is captain America shouldn't be here. I should be kept in America. You're not even Americans. How do we know how we're going to get so many right wing conservatives to like this show now between all your anti gay talk. Your talk. Now, you not liking black man being had enough. Were you the one who posts it? The Obama brought races nothing to do with black man. Lightman? He has a name. What could in Buckingham Bucky, Kevin plucky spent most his life being anti America, evil evil as only one by his side was a falcon this. It was don't disrespect the falcon. So he gave the shield to the falcon. And then. Yeah. That was that. And that was avengers game. Great. Great. Great. Great loved it loved it for all those worrying about the time. It did not feel like three hours into you. Definitely get into. Because I'm the first to say screw that. I would not sit Titanic and a theater damn that. This is what it was worth it. Go watch the movie. Well, we told you all about it. So never mind you're all set. Kelly was supposed to be here today. But punched him out Kelso's beer today. And I said, yeah, we're going to the movie today. He goes, it's still watch it anyway. So maybe some people are still wanna see themselves. I mean, like I said if I was the barber shop in my bar. Bootleg? He hasn't seen it. But he wanted me to tell him all about it. He's I'm still gonna go. See it. Yeah. Some people were like that. But the other Barbara was like do not talk about it. Do not talk about it. So he, you know, he wouldn't have died and who didn't die. Why a lot? Let's people died now thought. Yes. Yes. I thought it was going to definitely be more. Yeah. I thought camping America's gonna die Ditto. But he just got old. He just decided he wanted to live normal life. Dow geriatric otas. I didn't expect black widow died best. Oh, yeah. She's trash. I didn't expect to the dice. I want her. I thought she was going to be the next generation the next leader of the avenger who's gonna listen to her like, what do you do? Again. She has a standalone show coming out. Screw that. She has a movie coming out. Exactly. So how do we reverse this better be a prequel? That's what I was reading. I think it's going to be a pretty has to has probably her like detail her story when she was a Russian spy punk ass blog with us. She trash now so problems with the movie, you said you wash twice just just not problems. Just just hope that was the only, well, that's an opinion. So that's not even a problem upon the hope it's not an opinion of problem. When I grew up look for e-e-e-e-no with Luke free notice, Luke for Regna was a steroid it like Luke for ignore isn't anybody? Stop that. You're going to suspend. Yes. Yes. Kim don't disrespect vodka. I hope was in gray. He wasn't great. I think it was Denham color house. The whole Denham color was green. Nah, he wasn't. He was gray with a mixture of purple. Like big league chew. What is she did you find what the movie if any I didn't like how they kind of they kind of they went from Hawkeye losing his family to now. He's a murderer. So it serial killer like they show any like inkling didn't show no lead up to him actually becoming that. They were just like. Yeah. Now, he killing people when he got a dumb ass. Erica. I didn't like captain marvel. I still don't like captain marvel. I get captain marvel. I just I just I'm not a fan of it. That's an opinion thing as in that my other mother, she was I didn't like the Stanley appearance. I finally figured it out my other. She was low-key was now I think that's Easter egg. Because when they went back in time to get the space stone, right when LOKI had took it and the first avengers movie, the tesseract. Yeah. Which was space stone that was in it. They had to basically steal it from the shield who took it after, you know, the movie ended and when they got the stone. Tony who was walking away with it got hit by Hoke? Who was your hope hoc you like and I hate stairs. And knocked the tesseract space stone out of his hand slid across the floor LOKI saw low-key disappeared. Maybe that's how lucky Gottfried. No. Because when a second of movie star isn't in jail. He is. So I'm interested. I'm interested to see what happened a low-key. What happened to LOKI? That's going to be one of those Easter eggs. I saw a YouTube video that was like two hundred and sixty nine Easter eggs is like twenty five minutes haven't watched it. But I'm interested to see it. See what stuff I missed. So. Yeah. But it's dope. I liked it. I enjoyed it was a great movie. Game of thrones. game of thrones. Now, just going to be a one-sided talk. Because JR doesn't watch it. But let's get into it. Burner. Game of thrones season eight. Episode three took place last night the battle of winter fell. And whoa. It was a doozy. It was a tad bit dark for those watching at home. But it's all right because when Mel asandra came through she lit it up. Yeah. All in all he was a great episode. I will say that I'm a tad bit disappointed in how the night king died. Spoiler alert aria killed the night king REO who since season three. I want to say don't sorry, correct meat. But I'm doing my head was season three Mela, Sandra. When she first when she first met Mel asandra Mila Sanja. Grabner said. Green eyes Brown eyes. Blue is all these people are going to meet their end by you and the night. King odyssey has the bluest of is. I just feel like they robbed us of an opportunity from the people who actually had smoke with the night king brand and John snow. Of an opportunity for them to kind of get this shit off. You know, all in all it was still a great episode. It was a surprising episode. That was definitely surprised it self. I'm disappointed at the fact that they're going to try to attempt to make sir. See the final boss out like that. Because she trashed like come on dog like come on had a dragon that shot ice fire. He shot is fired. JR? Let me tell you right now who is more threatening to you a white woman who has three kids from her brother with a short Bob haircut that looks like she wants to complain about every single thing who doesn't vaccinate her kids who has just an army that kind. She kind of bought with her own money and some weird zombie guy is a night. Who's more scary her or a guy who controls all undid has a flying dead? Zombie dragon that shoots ice fire that can walk through fire himself that can control winter and make people arise from the debts. Fight for him. Yeah. That guy's Gary. Thank you. So when he dies after eight seasons of building him up. He dies without even saying word or finding out why he's doing what he's doing. It's a little disappointing. Yeah. Yeah. So you got a lot of catching up to do. I'm also. You guys enjoy Rockall trash. I'm all set crystal day watching until I met her and then look up at the score. Chris'll Dan, Washington, I met her. And then she she became a fan. That's what I do. I make things shouted him. I'm excited for the season and get let's get it. I personally think Jamie, Lancaster is going to kill. No, I think Jimmy Lancaster is going to kill Hersi. The mother children and the sister of his incest is all in the show. Yeah. It is what it is. So. Oh in the unforeseen can third thing that debuted this week was part two of attack on titans. I know you don't watch anime. I need to watch anime. But this is one of those enemies where if you were to ever go. Me like a good like animated get into. I would recommend this anima like in terms of trying to the concept of anime simple. People live in people live in this. This town the city that's encaged in a wall. Like a big ass like like the wall. Trump wanna build right. They living this wall because these creatures call titans attack on titan, these creatures. Call titans, which these huge humanoid, motherfuckers live outside the wall. And they want to eat them. So the live the water be protected. They lived in his wall for hundreds of year one hundred years all of a sudden a big titan. Pops up climbs over the wall breaks open, the outer wall all hell goes loose. So yeah, it's like, what am I going animates is they can they can they can be gruesome without being too over the top because they can do things that real life stuff. Can't do. Right. Like, we can go all that figure. But when you see the main character's mother, get grabbed by this titan and then tight and puts her in her mouth his mouth, and then bites her upper body off it sisters you differently. You go damn he had to see that. He really hates, you know. So if you're ever at home late night, and you're watching Netflix, and you don't really got nothing on Red Sox losing. Like every now open up. Netflix put on a tackle tight and watch a couple episodes. I think I think you'll be pleased. You might not like the whole Japanese. Subtitles was put it on English. But I think you'll be like, oh, this is kind of this kind of. So that debut part two came out. It was a doozy. Shadow to them. I don't want to forget my anime heads out there. We do besides. Get I just wanted to play this Jay Z freestyle that he did for nipsy. Jay Z reopened the Webster hall that recently closed, and he dedicated freaked out and see let's let's hear some of it. Doing. Who was doing anybody still confused as was doing? A red property. Blacks asset take the property ruthless. We fighting threats cramps in the fabric rats don't belong in the barrel. Act. He said in the barrel. We don't act like would be king split would be. We got to leave the physically. We gotta be. I hope I hope this comes out on audio. So that is not a virgin with that big as base in the background. So we can actually hear it. But you know, he said crabs in the barrel. But but crabs on belong in the barreled ain't never tell the stats on a barrel. We don't act like we act we can easily get out the barrel. If you stand on each other's back. Whoever gets on top as long as they stay attached can pull everybody out. I was doing just that like. Understand what he just did like. In six bars. He gave a short commentary on discrimination and disenfranchisement disenfranchisement disinterred disenfranchisement. This doesn't for you. Yeah. Okay. Of African Americans black on black violence. Why groups to unify to pull everyone in six bars, and the basic of bars out of everything he said Beryl is the longest word he used. Jay z is a different type of man nipsy was the different types of man. I can't wait. I high need this verse to come out on audio. I do he's different shutouts him south everybody that went out there. I wish I could have been out there at green light. We're gonna start making it to these events. That'd be a good event to go to get on. Like you understand what we saying that was on stage over well. Neither stakes we can interview Jay Z. Whereas the world is a way jail. He'll bell. Stir up. It's the raw J shout him for doing everything he can still keep nipsy and his prayers and get that message across that nipsy was in the process of keeping us going merit continues member that. Oh, yes shit. Forgot. We got one of these. Now. Amen. The stories. Stop hating on. My big say we talking about a favorite teams play his in a game in the stores rounded Lee is suppose, and if L MBA and milkshake this votes and fell and be a gear. Talk game bow harder and harder Steph curry man out, and I'll just say krona's the Cato mattered a ball in this. And if and be a this abouts and fell a m. I think it's only right to start this off with the news that just broke the spa masseuse tapes of of Emmett Smith, while no of Robert Kraft have been blocked. I don't see why he has money. I wanted to see them and the discussion here's a lot of money. I want to see him. He ain't going to jail. I know he ain't going to jail when he find out what happened like not as messed up, man. What about all those other also got caught up staying they gonna be all right because they down with Mr. crat. Okay. He was there at the same time. You're going to be the same room. Give him a double. So I and if draft just happen did your team your team headlines, but not for any of the right reasons, you wanna talk about it. I was initially upset when they drafted when nigga initially because they are here to bullshit coming when they drafted the stupid ass quarterback from Duke Davy Jones his name date dumping Jones stupid daring Jones. But. Annual Joan I bleed blue. I'm a giants fan through and through wrapping now and. I've been one that's been advocating for change. We've been losing year after year for the last four or five years losing four or five years. Long thirteen our last. We're we let eleven yeah. We belu's. So it was time for change. Still there should've been gone. But now we gotta ride with. I'm happy that that was gone. I I I don't understand why they did it. But they did it. Oh, gone. We drafted this idiot, which I hope turns out to be something. Good for us. But we need to change. Now changes happening. What happens if changed turns out to be good? Let's give this guy a chance that's always a possibility. But let's give them a chance. He turned Carolina into eleven fifteen in one team who you talking about your coach get them. They get why are you giving them a chance? Now, you gave a chance last year. Well, no hitting really Gema chance last year. Right. I guess if you're a little bit of chance last year wouldn't that change of started then winning Jefferson last year, we should? Okay. Are you better going into twenty nineteen point nine hundred twenty nine thousand nine are you better going into twenty nine thousand nine season? Then you were going into twenty seventeen eighteenth don't say we'll see how about right now. Judge your talent. I'm going to say, no, judging our that. No. You have no genera Jenkins. You have no Livia Vernon. You have no Odell Beckham. Before saquon Barkley took the field. We knew he was going to produce. Correct. Right. So and he did exactly that we have. No, Landon Collins. No, Landon Collins. But I last two picks pretty good harlaxton who picks even though our last last pick cornerback shot, but he saw that right? He's going to recover shot himself instead of going to New York, I'm done. That's not very nice. Yeah. We I give our draft grade. A D stupid move. But I still believe blue. I'm gonna give him a chance. Let's see. What happens? Yeah. Now you all in the game plan on the field. Let's see. What happens? Not. Yeah. It definitely is is definitely played on Phil. And I get you for that. But you gotta have some sort of like, are you? I think you're in a state of the now now where you're just like, I was pissed where you just like it can't get worse. And it keeps getting worse. So I'm just relaxing, go all in right? What the hell I don't know what you're gonna do for some reason he thinks Daniel Jones can sit the next three years behind ally. Get them. Allied doesn't have three more years. This is splash year was his last year. Now, we're paying him for two. Somebody fire this man can do job. And I love that just happen. From you went from you. I'm a believer. We got the players better for the giving give them any benefit of the doubt. Nydia? Okay. Because the game is played on the field. But he's an idiot. Right. This guy you guys do you know who you guys got in exchange for? Odell beckham. Yeah, we gotta pick. We got. We got we got Daniel Jones. You got Dexter. You had you had Jones. I was gonna have regardless you had six pick. You guys got Dexter Lawrence number seventeen o Shane Zimmer says in Gebriel peppers, would you ever make that trade on paper photo that? Oh. The Cowboys owner looked better than our water. Dan, essays the rescuers owner Daniel Snyder who sucks started looking better. Something's something's not right on how to fuck that pick up. I think I don't know you must have pick up. You missed that pick up. You know, what if I was them? I would have gave that I for Josh Rosen in a second in a heartbeat and a heart beat out of Josh Rosen yard not cake a play with given situations in the wrong situation up. He can Miami. Did the right thing to Miami is gonna they made them they may move even with that move. I still it's been pretty self. It's been pretty across the board that AirAsia was a winner in his draft with that move with homeboy Kyla Murray. And obviously their coach is in love with Karla Murray. He coached him. So there's that little love affair going on. But they turned a lot into it turned a little into a lot and New England New England always does, you know. This apprise if we're talking homeboy they went to Washington the quarterback. Shit. What was his name the black dude to win? I said I'm gonna make more focus personally. I don't think any of these quarterbacks going to be that special in the NFL. We got better quarterbacks coming on next year. And we had better last year. Yes, we do way better last year. So I do ain't asking Dwayne Haskins. It's going to suck if here actually pants because we got to see him. But he's in Washington. I don't think. Yes. Find a way to mess him up Cowboys draft. I give it a be giving it to be, you know, not having a first pick is fine, especially in his draft. But I feel like in this draft where a lot of people fell when they weren't we we might have been able to still somebody. But I didn't see a first round pick. That was better than Amari Cooper. We got tristen hill at our first pick the D tackle so excited. See how he pans out? We grabbed Michael and Joe Jackson. Wow. Here that we grad Michael an Joe Jackson both of them from Florida Miami. I think Miami. Don't be surprised if you see in the Nablus AFC championship game next year. Oh, yeah. I believe in the Annapolis did work in his draft. And they're already had a very. A couple of pieces of wet that often have line of special stupid. Give give Andy give Andy luck. Andy luck, Angie. More weapons. Give them give him even when another white out in a solid running back. The patriots. That's six five. Why receiver they picked up? I don't know his name of Tom ahead. He's gonna do work have you? I just can't tell you the last receiver the pages draft in the first round. It's been a while. And I don't think it might tile drought. So it makes me I gotta I gotta give benefit out because patriots. So I got a soom they know what they're doing. And I got assume this kid is legit. So see what have decay Metcalf fell the combine stud the wide receiver that put up like twenty two twenty reps? This isn't that the receiver year wait till next year. When Alabama boys come up. We just well, you know, it's the draft. We always do we over hype stuff. We overlook stuff we over think stuff. And then all of a sudden things don't work out or are they doing everyone's a genius. So whatever, I think I think talking about drafts and sports is you talking about whether you're the weatherman there the weatherman sports. They can be paid to be wrong. They pay to be wrong all draft because you know, in the NBA who's going to be a start an NFL is tough to in baseball stuff to NBA, you know, the brand James highschool. You knew who's gonna be a star. Yeah. But after LeBron James how many true today? How many I mean? So to say we're still looking for his replacement things is going to be. I wanted to be a start as someone who became his fan when he became when he came to college. I want him to become a stud. I I still don't know because we've been in the spot before and people who have turned into studs Curry's, the hardens the Westbrook's the should've they weren't. Well, they knew about him. But they weren't they weren't. No one was saying they're going to be a perennial all-star period. You know, so yeah, I'm excited to see what happens with these guys Tyree. Kill tyreek hill beaten up his baby that situations. Nuts. I don't know how allegedly obviously. But I don't know how it was new video new video. There's no video of his Ma of his wife from whatever saying, yeah, he's beating on baby. Is there like a bug hitting Kansas City because right now, they're losing is Rian. Tyreek hill loss Crema. That's a problem. Yeah. It's a problem. Yeah. Yeah. They're going to act, please. Yes. So supposedly Tariq tyreek hills son after he injured his arm said daddy did it and there's recording of the phone call between him and his child's mother where tyreek hill says I'm about. Oh, the kid says to the mother I'm terrified of him. Scared. A daddy. I'm scared to daddy, da, da and tie. Tyreek hill tells his fiancee you need to be terrified me to bitch. Wow, bro. I'm telling you if we look into this. Why this only seems to happen in football all the time. It says CT, bro. It's that CT these peop- you take hits to the head consistently your whole life from peewee Taibbi. He's fast. He's gotten hit. Even if he's running into somebody, even if you falls awkward you're getting hit. Listen, it's been proven that blows to the head can alter your personality. It could turn you into a risk taker it can do a lot of things for you. Right. If that's the case didn't it could definitely turn into somebody who's a violent person, especially relationships. I wish there was a way to get these guys some help. So that they're not affecting their wives their families and their children. Got to be aware. Gotta be a way there's they're trying. Then try we gotta give them credit, but the NFL's trying because it looks bad. They're not trying because. Yeah. With you because if they care they'd be they'd be doing this. You know, I just don't want to be in a situation where we have this talk a year from now we're talking about why Tyree kills going to jail because his kidder's fiancee's murdered because he snapped. And I'm not knocking on wood. I'm not wishing all you tie. But I just don't want that to happen because we know how things can get. And we know we all know, we've all been we've all lost our anger. We've all been drunk before. We've all been crazy stuff. But our key is we need to see and learn from it. We don't need to see. And then double down on it. You know? So to chief said they going to spend him. So he's he's gone NFL said that they're thinking putting on the Commissioner's exempt list, and they've never put anyone in commercials off-season, nobody. Yeah. So. The NBA playoffs full into the divisional round. We got the raptors one game lead on seventy Sixers. The Celtics beat out the bucks. You surprised by that by how dominant they look to know. Because this is what the socialist poster like they haven't look this way. But. But the bucks they were not. But defensively the Celtics are probably one of the best things Li when they all this wrecked. And I I don't see I don't see the bugs bounce back from this. Really? I really don't see. Well, I did here going into this game that Brad Stevens had something for the type of offense that they run where they like to spread out the five bring him out because of brook Lopez. Didn't have John have have some work in the middle. So I'm interested to see how that works. Johnny has definitely had not his greatest of Knight's got dunked on Jaylen Brown dunk. He got blocked at the rim. Two times. Not once twice that South African comes back. I'm not counting him out though. The warriors controversial first game over the the rockets. What is your take on that whole the whole thing about you know, the bullshit with the calls. Is. There was no foul on harden. They came out and said that right? They said that they were three no calls. They were. All correct. That's not what loses the game though. My. And I think I've said this on the show before hardest shoes too fucking much. There was there was a point in the game. When the things like three minutes because I was watching at a pizza shop. I was in three minutes you out the game. And yeah, of course, and they were they were down by two and he comes down and takes an ill advise three pointer early in the shock early in the shock. Why? CPT should be touching every possession. The point guard. Am I right or wrong? You're right. Let see P three create the guys he special C P three. Yeah. He's been doing you. Don't he doesn't get to the split much because hardened and just wants to shoot too damn it hardens defense someone who's having a play with three who's always hurt. I get it. You get accustomed to having the ball. I get what you have to know when differ. He's not hurt. Now, get you have to know when to defer give it to the perennial point guard. Let him actually work work on your off ball movement. The reason why I don't attest to the calling the whining about the the the calls is because son. You can't wine about calls when you have James hard on your team a man who had they had to adjust the rules because of James harden. I think I think they can win this series because Durant scores fifty and you still had a chance to lose his game. Yeah. Because you make tiny tics here. Let durant. Off Durant is definitely the most important warrior. Let him go off. You can see still win. He goes off. If you just play the right way Claes banged up Curry's banged up. Correct. I'm curry still hit that dagger. They were making the argument in the in the NBA did come out and say that there were two plays and the last I wanna say minute thirty that should have been called fouls on curry, which would have fouled him out. And then you go we'll, but Dan he hit two three three. So it's like, whatever. But I'm looking at it like this you lost by four points. If cryp Curry's night in the game, you still lose by one point. If you don't hit that the true. So I mean, I don't wanna dig into that come on. We can we can go. If we go back to the first quarter, like don't just don't worry about calls and shallow to the players and channel to the coach because they aren't the ones that seem to make an issue with this seems to be the higher up because the coaches listen we got to play the game. We got to play the game the players the same way we got to play the game. You gotta put a game. So shallow today for not whining about it doesn't he's going to be a tough series. I read an interesting article that said a lot. People think Golden State's getting worse. No the league is just getting better around them. And do the league is catching up to what Golden State was doing which is dope. Because it shows the parody in the league it shows that the league is not gonna say soft ever and they're going to catch up. So shout to them Toronto's dangerous Assan, they look different. I felt I felt bad about. Go ahead. What do you think about Rich, Paul? Ended up with Kawhi Leonard prior to the game and halftime and LeBron tweeting. What's your thoughts? I personally don't think LeBron will work. I don't think either because of the same type of player young. What do you what do you do you shift? Lebron to the two. The Brown to the four like, I don't think it would work, I know LeBron alike it because as one person that lock them up, but LeBron's going to be one year older, and there's gonna be more people could actually lock him up in a situation like that. I don't think Kawais your best option when he doesn't have a ball going through him often. Pause while seventy six they bounce back. Now what in BB? Yeah. Sixers are as good as everybody thinks. I think Simmons is not a very good player. I'm sorry. How long has it been elite what three years four years almost three years is thirty? Shot still sucks. He's not reliable and of games. Yana shot. You're not beating teams which is so not in especially when he's not healthy is gonna bury these bazzars tonight, the Asir food Nassar you call in it. They going down to a call about it. Nope. No bets. I guess I guess hot chocolate. They're definitely going down to. Okay. You think six months back? I'm saying anything's possible. Not tonight. It's the league. Jimmy, Butler is arrogant he's arrogant, he might Willem to a win, you know, but forgot who's on. I felt I think he did too. I felt bad about the Spurs because I felt bad for calorie cow Lowry is in a situation where he seeing his team continue on his ex team continue onto the next round while his current team loses in a weird situation. That's on. It's unbecoming of a Popovich coach team where they didn't foul within the last like seventeen seconds limb dribble out the ball and waste time. Trailblazers nuggets. Are we giving any credits? Everything Danes gonna continue his fire. I think that might be interesting series where Dame might have a cooling out session. And I'm saying that because there might be no one on the nuggets to feed fire into Dame the way. Okay, seeded nuggets. I love the dagger Daimler did it at the end of this. I mean, he that was that was one of the most is co shots ever seen in my life. Vain enough watched basketball why entire life. That was nuts evil you. They don't do that you should go. You should apologize. First of all, no. No. Paul George going. You'd never make that shot. That's okay. I okay. Nuggets beating Portland Dame litters hungry. I don't think. He's gonna get cooled off. Just because there's no Russell Westbrook. Listen by the time in a long career by the time, we meet next. They'll have play two games. So it'd be interesting talk about that. Because I think it's going to I think he's going to go in there waiting for someone to like talk shit to them. So he can kind of use as motivation for and it's not gonna happen. No joke Jokic Joe Jokic going to be a who looking stupid and scoring. And I don't know. So yes. So. What does the w? Eighty w is a reason why I put it in here. Because though it's been a while. I don't know if you push because you were watched wrestling back in the day NWEA WWE wearing competition back in the day. And w got bought out by conspiracy. And so they went to hell AWS a new wrestling alliance which was funded and brought up by Dustin Rhodes, I don't remember Dustin rose. A great American dream gold. Does Dustin dusty Rhodes is the father of Dustin angle and his son Dustin has brought up this new wrestling organization, and they're taking a lot of WW superstars over there. Chris Jericho's obeying star over there really really and their debut in on may twenty fifth. First TV episode. A lot of guys are trying to get out of their brain. Wha was trying to get his release denied it. Another one of the white families trying to get their release. It can go over there. One of the women stars Brooke HOGAN, no not HOGAN. She's not going. No damn where they've she. She she she sucks she's prejudice. So as Cogan oh shit. Oh, you're Sasha Sasha banks was trying to get her released to shoot over there. And I also hear someone who left WWE awhile ago. See 'em punk o might McGinn. As the time. He looks bad. He needs. He might make his return to wrestling at eighty w what does the e w offer that the deputy doesn't because one of the things I've mall money. Nobody for the viewer. We don't know yet. Because it hasn't viewed hasn't come TV, but we'll see because when any of these upstarts popped up like c w and obviously I'm not going to call. It w w upstart, but it was an all. Turn it. If they always offered a different product and Tina they always offered a different product that WWE usually something a little bit more raw rugged usually something that they weren't they weren't afraid to take chances in risk on certain whether certain matches or certain types of setups. So I'm interested because if they're just going to literally be a carbon copy of the WWE, I don't know if there's gonna be a much much of a market for that. Chris Jericho had an interesting interview on Instagram and Twitter, where he says we're not in competition with w w w we're an alternative for the which makes me feel like they're going to be alternative. So so this happens. I give it a couple of. Because was there was one of my favorites? Hello. He. Yeah. Because Jericho, but I know what it is episode. Green light episode sixty to sixty two this those Senate SADO Shiseido say say, we begin you know, what it is. I noticed. Greenland, mugs will be up on the website soon. So stay tuned. We're just hashing out some final Dietz, we're working on our branding. And our logos. Just to make sure that we give you guys the ultimate form of us. You call word on the street a six oh four six zero six three b green give you free mug. Uh slap. You wouldn't be green because I'm Pavel crackers. Oh, the green light the green light. We will be once again may twenty fifth may twenty fifth. That's my Morial day weekend. 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The Career Musician Ep. 51: Managing Your B(r)and with Xander Smith & Baron Grafft

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The Career Musician Ep. 51: Managing Your B(r)and with Xander Smith & Baron Grafft

"You're listening to the career musician podcast with Creator and host, No mad with twenty plus years of experience in the music industry nomad has done just about everything to earn a living as a career musician from being music director to celebrity artists, playing iconic arenas and stadiums, composing for film and TV and even playing your average local club gigs. He's done at all. All nomads mission is to empower musicians across the globe with strategies for a sustainable career while blasting stereotypes and to bring you tried and true wisdom from his colleagues in this crazy business, we call music welcome to another episode of the Korean musician podcast with guest, Zander Smith and his good buddy baron graft now zander as a guitarist he has played with. Or written with Linda Perry the runaways. Dee Dee Ramone Adam Lambert Steve Perry George lintz, Lisa, Loeb and herb alpert. The list goes on from there. In addition, he's got one of those right and left brain things going on, so he's really good at logistics and he loves managing things, so he started managing herb alpert spent. Yes, that's right. Herb Alpert of the famed am records now barren graft is the guy who connected Zander, myself and barren is in sales and I always. Always say there's a lot of sales that goes into being a musician. Because basically you have to sell your skill set to the client I love these words of wisdom by Zander. Be where you say you're going to be when you say you're going to be there and be on time with a good attitude. Look, that is the basic ammo of any career musician. That's rule number. One will check out this episode with Zander and barren right here. The career musician podcast. Zander Smith welcome to no man's place studios. Guests of course, thanks for having me now run run run, so I just made a Faux Pas and call Zander Ryan. That's okay I. Basically am right. That would be the way I. Like it I. Like it seriously. I really appreciate it and things that I have to say right. The ramones would do that see they don't go i. have to say right off the bat. I could tell you where a career musician was that well because the way you answered my. And now not only can I sell? You accrue musician, but I tell you were in some form of management. Because, you actually responded to each question discussion topic in my email Oh yeah! I was like okay. This cat knows what he's doing right. You know I love that and number two when you came here today to the studio. You just have all your things together you just I could tell you a road cat from pass I'm sure you're studio cat to. Experience in both lanes well okay, got it shows I love a lot of hard work. I love it right exactly and a lot of people take it for granted hard work. It takes right. Yeah, yeah, so okay. Let's start from the beginning. Yeah, tell me about yourself. Where from I'm sure as my listeners know, and you can tell I'm an east coaster in east coast for sure. Tell me about you. Okay well. I'm rarity. I'm born Los Angeles. California Oh man, you are the real deal. You're an anomaly. A Unicorn yes born not only that, but born right there at the end of Pico. In. Santa Monica California right on the beach there. Wow, yeah, so early Seventies. was born here and And then my parents moved out. To Phoenix Arizona when I was in grade school, and the reason that plays into the story wouldn't be that interesting, but it really did shape. How I did how quickly or slowly I got involved in music so in the early days. My Mom's a Hippie is records everywhere. I'm not ISKOE, Straight Square kid. That doesn't know anything about music till high school I mean day wind. My mom is is like here's a guitar. Here's Neil Young. Yeah, get this going I bet you when you were in the womb. She was plan all kinds of stuff to. They only moved out to California from Detroit. Because of the Mamas and Papas, and all that whole set sixty stuff, hippy stuff, so so it's all around. It's everywhere, my dad. Gifted musician, my grandfather, who I was named after a professional musician, in in Austria and Bulgarian all around Europe I mean like orchestra leader had his own radio station found some sheet music when my dad passed the whole deal. That's cool viola player. That's really cool. Grandmother Concert Pianist, so music's around everywhere. Okay right, and so that's that's that, but we move out of southern California to Phoenix, which is very different scene total. Total culture shock for me as a kid I've already got longish hair I already know how to play Beatles songs, and dear prudence by time six seven, and then I'm in Phoenix, which was interesting, so it kind of in a weird way sort of slowed me down in that the only thing in. Phoenix is heavy metal thing in country music in fact. I just did a GIG out in Phoenix about a month ago and turn on the same radio station is playing the same ten songs that they were nine, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty two. I. I. Turn on its Scorpions. It Sammy Hagar. It's hard. Rock and heavy metal hit into us a whole side tangent because I wonder how the hell do we still have the same play lists for forty fifty years or more it's. A little slow. Yeah, they got their lane. And they know their listenership and they don't want to veer from. A everything. Is Niche specific today with music? Anyway, so what happened was were maybe somebody on the coasts. Or the big cities might get introduced to a bigger spectrum of music earlier. Kind of slowed me down. My My dad's only listening to weather report. He's only listened to jazz and that's heavy man. Right doesn't like pop music at all, not interested. My Mom Hippie rock all day long, so I've got these influences in these records, but nobody knew so I'm missing out on things that are coming out in the early eighties I'm totally missing out on new wave and punk rock. Okay, and all this stuff so i. get you know so. My roots are basically classic rock. So I got all those chops so when I pick up the guitar. I'm Learning Electric Guitar Judas Priest's I'm listening Beatles I'm listening all these classic rock bands and I've got that DNA, but then when we moved back here, none of my friends listen to that at all so I go into the closet as far as mark classic rock roots because if you're living in La. Okay in the eighties. It's. Progress Jane's Addiction. It's the year it's the smiths. It's on the outer edge. Then see I wasn't. I don't know I'm not from here. Yes, got you know I'm like what? What's happening here so and I got to go in the closet. Classic Rock Roots Because my friends are like depeche mode when you mean you're listening to. That is the new rock and roll ammo, and that's what I said the on like. Wait a minute first of all I can tell that you're a career musician. Because you handled email so nicely. He answered all of the discussion topics one by one. I was very impressed. And, then he just showed up. You know before on time which I always say on time is late. Early is on time. You know so listen. Richards can quit smoking. You and I can show up on time podcast there you go i. mean if we want to stay in the game. We need every edge. Possibly see that wait. There's so much weight in that statement. You just made stayed in the game. Okay, WE'RE GONNA. Get to that. WE'RE GONNA? Get all right nine. Beginning, but you're talking about this punk post something what I'm saying is I don't know this is even happening right, but it is intrinsically. Till I see a kid I'm late in the game on this although I got a deep knowledge of our parents music. And what we call Classic Rock, which was also big in. We'll say the flyover states and stuff. But the but the peers I'm about to go up against for gigs are way ahead of me as far as alternative. WHAT WOULD BE PRE alternative new wave and punk rock music which would shape the way you know guitar playing it, so I'm sitting there and I'm learning diver down. I'm eleven twelve and I'm I'm getting close learning. All the you know wasn't an easy album. Because use a lot of weird effects, a lot of weird effects. He wasn't in keyboards yet. Underrated van, halen album for that reason faves. Delays stuff doing come on, people hate dancing in the streets right best, but what is what's that music? Okay. Chalet you tell me what's happening. Exactly what the what the third out! Yeah! Figured it out so keyboards clever. It's GonNa. Take a motown. Sorry, yeah, crazy south! David's do of course he's doing. In. Yeah, that's fine, but that's why they made such a great team. I love that records lead to. Give me some. But living in Phoenix I. Don't know that that's just the diver down symbol. That's all that is. A diver thrive around Redondo beach. Sign everywhere. That's what. You're not gonNA seniors on, so I'm confused, right? Anyway I get here. With all these chops and I pick up a guitar magazine. The Guitar was called car and I'm looking through it and it's talking about Johnny Marr Oh. Yeah, okay I don't know anything about Johnny. There's no myth happened in Phoenix. It's it's. It's the Red Rocker man at Sammy Hagar all day long out. There is also an interesting difference between I would imagine being a musician at that time I'm using now is there's no internet? Yeah, yeah, there's no. Cure exposure was so much more limited geographically right. What was popular where you were big? We had one kid my job is. who showed up in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty four. Okay with with Doc Martens Skinny Hispanic Kid. Shaves on the side Mohawk ask. All in black. And he was the coolest weirdest kid in school and a guitar player, and just to tell you how how not hip? We were rows live in Phoenix. He had just he played us. The first single off the new you to record, which would be the Joshua Tree? Five epic at Pant it was it was with or without you. which is as bad as wonderful, but as tame as you get, we're not talking sex pistols here right, but he's like he pitched it as if this is going to change music, check out this is youtube there from Ireland? In it did it wasn't. It wasn't if you were that kid in in in Chicago, New Yorker La. You know let me play you early. ECHO on the Bunyamin. Let me play you Roxy Music. Let me put. You're not gonNA play. Check this out right. Tober something early to that's that's his out is we could even get? Was that one kid at it? Shout out to my Chavez. Where he's at you, guys, keep in by the way I never saw him again, but he had a little band called technical difficulties in his title song was I said that sounds great high guitar apart. He wasn't even a Youtube Fan. You know who is a fan of the alarm. Remember that banned the alarm. wails, who was a youtube sounding kind of bent? But maybe we don't know. Maybe you to was an alarm sounding Bam. You know you never know Oh, of course you. I was just GonNa say no, no, you don't know the orange. Tower gives you man. I'm saying that's I'm tower records. He's referring to. You. Don't know Google babies so okay, so that's the deal so that so when I get back here. Some read this magazine with Johnny Marr he's talking about. He's talking about the the Alternative Guitar Solo. He's talking about. No Hammer runs no this like. Here's. Here's the alternative guitar. Approach to guitar playing and I'm like. WHO's this guy I mean there's no lead in this thing. What's going on later on to find out that? Wow, I mean the Smith. Is really something that's abandoned taking I mean. Other than the doors. I don't know what other ban is is in its own lane where it's like you came in. Describe what music they play. You've got this weird poet singer. That's not really even singing. Totally on top of this mix of rockabilly and like. Chord changes in the sounds and the effects that Johnny Mars doing. It blew my. It totally changed me because when I held that up against Van, Halen or Shankar, any of the heavy metal. Guys who? Are Amazing I was like. This is an interesting approach. Right Guitar, talk about so then I. Just had like just had this back and forth dilemma for really the rest of my career I love. That is probably why I think it's why I am not. Known or more successful is because I lived in the gray area because I. I just can't stay in a lane because you need with us what we talked about you. If you WANNA. Get known. You gotta come it. In a lane and that's and you've got to push push push at that. Look this thing and mid forties. I'm just now committing to that. I'm starting to buckle down and really commit to that so I. Mean I'm just. Testifying to the fact that you're preaching all year so okay making excuses I get and I'm happy that this happened, but I think when we decide early on in our lives that we are going to pursue as a career. Most times we are the town. The raw talent is there and most times. We Love Everything Jeb. So it really is hard to commit. It's not our fault, quote, unquote, and again I'm not like. You said I'm not complaining. We're not sorry. Paint a picture of us, not that at all, but because your taste were so diverse, I think what happens from the guys. I've talked to and gals that you know. They've all said a similar enemy which is at the end of the day. If you're if you WANNA, be in show business, you need a paycheck right, and and it chooses you so if you get signed. Or you get a Gig playing guitar with someone or whatever it is, and it's paying your bills which you know when you're fifteen thinkable right? Just, shut up and go with and especially when it happens, you look so excited and it defines the lane, and that's why Z. later on these side projects and stuff if you talk to if you talk to Johnny Marr. You'll know that he was a hard rock guy. And they like me in probably like some other people. That's why he had those jobs disguised, but Joe Moss who found Morrissey. In drag. Queen Bar Wearing fruit on his head, doing lip synching right in the late seventies up there in Manchester. He knew this guy. This guy put a lot of Manchester bands the other he looked at this guy's a duck star period he'd is has a stage prison sick and he had Johnny Marr. WHO's listening to slade in a lot of seventies, hard rock, smart, hard rock bands, and all these bands sweet slade. Wow, man, who's seeing the sex pistols. He seeing the clash, he sees that movement going on, want to be part of it, but has the chops from before and Jomaa says listen I. got you needed to lead singer? Let me take you to meet this guy. And Johnny Marr walks in and says. No Way. Transpired kidding me. That's my serious says he's a star and you're listening. You're eighteen nineteen. Whatever you got the chops. We got rough trade interested, which is going to go upstream to see more Stein, so you're GonNa, be a Sirbu. Their trajectory was a sire. Was the pretenders Depeche Mode Donna? Like he was way ahead of the curve on all of these pants, and there were so many more, and isn't that? Wouldn't that be post? PUNK slash new way with the whole. Even, that was probably a bummer or not. What Johnny Marr shooting for you know. Johnny did really well so. Johnny was like. All right whatever in in your kind of like in this thing, but I'm telling you. I'm telling you if he. If he left his own devices, you might have seen different guitar deference in fact Robert Smith's Robert Smith married his high school sweetheart. Okay, he's been with her forever in her brother was in when the cure went from three to four or five guys, he's. He was in the band for all the eighties. And he was a shredder. And it killed Robert. Smith, but he couldn't kick him out of the ban because this. Is sister was his wife. And if you listen, can you imagine that Barron? Listen to kiss me. Kiss me, kiss me, which is the album that kind of them turn them into potential. Arena ban. People don't realize realizes. The Cure Played The rose bowl here right when they did the wish tour and that's that's big huge. That's huge for alternative bands. were. That's so funny, so you listen to kiss me. Kiss me and you listen to some of the songs alternative. I can show you. It sounds as it's fading down as we used to fade right. sneaks. Where just a little bit la La. Couldn't get him out in time. Poke through. Awesome okay I feel like we need to reintroduction first of all I had no idea that you were such. The music historian so I can't wait to your more all right, so we have zander Smith here who's telling us this story and this this this. Little. Tangent came about because i. just asked You about where you're from and your influences, which is perfect, because again as you stated earlier, you're. You're all over the place. Your tastes are so diverse, so you really showed us that I love that now introducing bearing graft sitting right next to you, of course now we so so barren, although is not a career musician. Music is probably one of the biggest aficionados I know and I know you from our daughters. We've known each other Jeez. I mean what you're. Like years now. Burbank DADS group over here. Dad's grew all around the culver. City Burbank the same. So now we know a little bit about US andor. Let's talk about how you guys cross paths and met and why you say so tight, so yeah, it's just it's just a very weird confluence of events. We met through mutual friends. I found out. He has a band I'm really into I mean what he calls or parents music like that's always been a lion music right, and so when he and I start tall. You're in a band. We start talking about music and it's just. It just becomes this like it just feels like an ongoing tenure conversation about music, because when we even if we haven't seen each other for a while, one of us are called the other one. Into, each other's Oh. Hey, I heard this. Hey, wouldn't about s and and we're not talking about like this album. That just came out. It's always like Oh. Hey I heard this the other day. We're talking about like led Zeppelin album for many years ago or whatever it might be one of my favorite one of my favorite tangents that we've gone on is. We've got this very weird thing around the song. Jesse's girl by Rick Springfield frequent. Love that song. It's crazy. Most Classic Guitar riffs ever, and it just shows up out of nowhere. Complete Jesse's. Your role is not like for me, Jessie Girls. It's not like life changing the to me. There's nothing that music that you go. Wow, like what you're talking about like. Oh music changed effort. That's not it just like occasionally resurfaces for you. Just the others that good saw, stealing rotation on the on the radio also Xm shows up all the time, and so now whenever we hear Jesse's girl, the phone give you call. Universal wants me to call Zander. The real reason that's okay. What do you call alert alarm? On Yeah I. GotTa call my buddy. Yeah Yeah. I love that said I'll have something to say about whatever he calls me Oh Gotcha, so it started with A. What do you think about Jesse's girl? Right? Listen I've a really low bar to make an impression on me about music I mean I'm just I love I. Love Seen Anyone. And do it. Yeah, you don't have to made it. But you know I, agree even at a level like Jesse's grow. It made an impression. I remember I'm old up seeing him do that. Song on American bandstand I remember that day, and they were a power trio and gave him credit is whatever the hipsters want to say about Rick Springfield whatever I remember going because player, yeah, and that for trio. They're delivering right now for a trio to hold up that kind of. Of A tune because that's not a simple tune. It's complex I know, but it sounds simple. Average listener thinks he's just sitting in the silly song so many little intricacies with the riffs and the harmonies, and the counterpoint between the vocal and the rift, so in something that you might not know as a musician when especially when you're playing an instrument and singing. I can't even imagine how drummers do it, but even guitar. To play certain rhythms, syncopated rhythms on guitar, and then seeing a totally different rhythm. That's one of the hardest things to learn it. Wouldn't you agree yes, so a simple pop song like that? That's what's going on. For those who might not be? Here for Rick Okay all right so so right Detroit family! You grew up here in La. The Arizona came back here. You originally are from. Missouri Yeah and what brought you out? West I moved out West in two thousand. I was chasing acting career. That never really got off the ground. You never told me that you didn't know that. Yeah, that's what really brought me out here. So I had a background in theatre and tech theater and I was thinking like Oh go out there. It was kind of funny because I was deciding between New York and La and having lived through like. Twenty, three Missouri winners was like I. Want nothing to do with the winner anymore. but it really was just like total flip of the coin. Could have gone either direction and I wound up coming out here and like that didn't work out, but then. I mean apologies to anybody listening in the flyover states. You grew up in rural. House by the way. You're smart. In Los Angeles. It's like why. WHY WOULD I go back? I get it, but then we get to this age. We want to go back. Give me a fly over state. This of course in quality of life in peacefulness and I. You know I mean let's face it. The Hustle and La's hard regardless what line of work? No matter what? It is just driving over here, right? That's all we talked about. Right, but just driving over here from Culver City on me. I checked it. It was a total breeze. Who Wasn't one stop? It took thirty minutes twenty five minutes or so how? Does tacos to your door. Okay, and when I got here, you shouldn't have to feel like. Like it was Christmas morning. I got here. At twelve thirty in the afternoon with no traffic I was like. These which. was wanted to get back on the. Map allows before the cars, but I mean just to be clear and anybody listening to this. From! Los Angeles I wanted. I WanNa make this point like this is how I feel like you always hear. People complain about the traffic in La, 'cause. That's literally the only thing to complain about what? The weather is amazing, but. You, WanNa do you could do? You do the beach you could do this. You can say Hollywood you all on the same day. I Agree I. Agree if you want, but let's talk about the big giant pink elephant in the room because it's freaking me out, the big one is on its way, and they say it's not a matter of win. It's. Not, a matter, if it's a matter of when, but where are you going to go that? You're not gonNA have a natural disaster. I grew up with tornadoes. My sister lives in Florida. My buddies, their natural, just how to giant Tornado? Hurricanes in Florida and New York, but but new. York really cold weather I. Don't think there's any natural. Well of course. The power grid. The sea level rising, you're. Destroying the planet, so I think yeah, exactly there's all that's going to happen, and there's only one deciding factor for me where I live, is it? Mosquitoes. Just serious just can't hang and that's why I'm here. Is it that's? The only thing I liked everything I have to live somewhere where there's no mosquitoes done I like the fact that that's your reason, but I also like the fact that Mosquitos are here in la, but not quite as bad as other. Not like Missouri not like music. Where Minnesota's. We don't have the humidity me. Tell you the Swansea's. We did a GIG when ban way back when we were out in South Carolina. Can, this great gig was on this military base one of those where they pay for the whole thing why we're doing the show. Off We flew out there, and the guy lived off of a golf course he had a huge ranch house or the big picture window. Everyone had their own bedroom. It was gorgeous. I always wake up early. either a runner Wall Lauren I saw the line. Cheers and I was like. What am I doing inside? The guys are all passed out 'cause musicians. I walk out there. I'm getting in that launcher. Lemonade and they sat down and ten minutes later I was was like Viet Cong everywhere vida. What is that he right now? That ran back inside bites. Noon I knew about Mosquitos like Oh. Yeah, you want to hear about Mosquitos, let me tell you about minister of you gotTa. Let tell you about it in. You got a point. That's IT I'll. I'll even take a ice and. They're brutal. I Want I want to ask you a question, though because you mentioned something. That kind of is something I've always kinda wondered about. Is You mentioned like at an early age? You realize I'm into music I to do so I'm I'm I've always been curious like. What is there a moment? Is there something that occurred for either one of you guys or is it just like a feeling that develops what what was it that happened that you go not only like I like playing music, but like I'm really going to go after this. I'm going to go all chips in and push and try to make this happen. have good analogy, I'll keep mine short. When did you find out that you liked girls? See? There's no one point that had happy said you didn't wake up one day. Say Oh, my God I like girls and then Oh, my Gosh I. have a crush on this one. Oh my Gosh! I'm infatuated infatuated with the opposite sex. It didn't happen just instantly. It's just something that kind of. Just inside. It just felt like it was. Develops all of a sudden you more aware of it? That's how I describe it. I don't know if you agree with that, but. Well the answers to one is the creative in one. Is the business side right right because now everybody that plays an instrument. Yeah, that's what I'm curious. Okay, that's different is is on on the the Jon Bon Jovi train right into the like I'm going to sweep up to us. I'm going to do everything castle where whatever you tell me to play whatever style I need to do to make it to be a business right, and that's a fortunately or unfortunately, my story, which is eclipsed my whole adult life. Early on and it hit me early on. In the beginning when I'm six seven eight years old in my parents, friends around like I said they're all hippies and his music everywhere all the time and I hear certain things I'm not sure which one, but I remember the white album is being something. 'cause you hear these early Beatles things I heard the wide open. I knew right away. It was more sophisticated and there was a lot of territory being covered, and I picked up a three quarter size guitar in and figured out. Dear Prudence No. And I was like Oh. Wait a minute I could see all the colors here. And I had a you know an affinity for and I was able to get closer to inside. That music I was like okay. This is something that I is special for me. I'm good, you know. Maybe it might be different sports. Whatever someone else? Whereas okay, this could help to be part of my identity and also. Bring me pleasure I. Really try this medically, so I was a music ed from the beginning, but. I don't know why. At nine ten, I'm like I should get a band together. Yeah, right and not a band together just as you say just to get girls road, but it just seemed like we're gonNA ising. In trying to put that in. became, important to me. And that gut intuition that you can't deny air. Let me tell you. If you're ever in a ban with me until I grew up some fucking asshole. Leave me alone, dude I just WANNA. Think what deal. Where's the beer? Where's the beer coupons? Or whatever like I was wondering so intense about? Because if you were of course, you have to fifth grade with me. When we enter, the car tests the talent contest. We were winning. And we were trying to decide between an REO song back in black, which when we were gonNA play, and the only reason you were in a band with me was because you played you play drums in the marching band and you. Your brother owned obeys like I was making you I was. You're going to be this? You're going to be that we were in. We're having banned practices at my house that was happening at ten ten and eleven. These guys were like. Can we go? We go ride motocross like what is. You don't understand. Wait till we get. Wait till we witnessed the steak me for. This is to do the same thing. We rehearse in the garage or the basement up in New York. Every Saturday, we will do an eight hour. Hersal I make the guys bring a bag lunch. Guys, thanks! Guys were not hanging at the seven eleven or the pizza joint down the street. Bring a freaking bag lunch which we gotta work. I was the same way so look. You were born. Leader and I think that's the other part of it. That's where the business meets the creative right, so if you're a leader, right? If you're born leader, I mean and I. Don't mean to sound pompous off. It's you have this quality in you that you can organize people, and you can rally the troops and motivate them and really steer your your team toward that goal right that unified goal. What's interesting though is that a lot there are. I say a lot, but there are many kids that might have this tendency, right? But. But, why is it? It is not a good mix. If you'RE GONNA mix it with musicians, and like creative types I think they don't. WanNa be Boston. They WANNA be is right. I mean if you're reese witherspoon mood, right and you want it in your speech and debate. You got you got it together, or you want to be your year. Like a Koby Young Kobe Bryant. Like on soccer baseball like come on, guys, let's rally. Set Up to be organized. That's how to be successful whereas I mean we're dealing loser. You're right. It's such a weird thing to be so it's kind of a kind of a of a bummer to be that guy, but at the same time I I just need the guy that what you gotta do. And as you start to see success, you know, and it starts working out in some kids. Drop off with some kids. Joke Line there like women. You paid for this or played the school dance. I WANNA play the school. Dan Right because the girls. Care that I'm planning school. You know I, started all of a sudden. I'm like people started coming around me because they saw an opportunity. And I think when. I. Let me clarify when I'm saying about. When did you find out you knew you like the opposite sex or whatever it is same sex, whomever order you'd like somebody. I'm saying that same feeling that happens. That wasn't my motivation. It's the same feeling, so it's the same thing that just kind of evolves over time. Yeah I always equated is like it. It doesn't feel like something I have to learn right. I know how to do and I think that goes back to what you were saying. Yeah, yeah, but I guess what I'm curious about is like what? What is the moment where you're like? I'm going to do this as a job because. There with. You know whatever else you want to put act or whatever else you put out there like. Becoming an uber famous musician. Yeah, I, mean you're. You're looking at the same kind of odds. Group as Kids together and you go. One is going to be. You know you'd have to get pretty big group of kids. Tell you about the you're right. The one part of my plan. It didn't work out in that. I don't know if you WANNA. Call denial. Misinformed or whatever, but there were so few kids that were that committed that early on. Doing music that I thought it was a natural conclusion I did not know that the odds were that bad right? I read about the one that like I said the only reason he jon Bon Jovi is everyone's like looking at whatever's going on with their career, and how many record itself, but I'm looking for myself in those articles I'm looking for the fact that he didn't just wasn't born famous, or they just discover him in Schweppes department store. Sweeping the studio in order to get free studio time in the middle of the night to do the demos so that he could play for the guy that might give him a chance to the. Rejected that the average kid that's right, not average in his ambition. Or abilities but averages numbers. Has There's a there's a trajectory that the Horatio Alger thing that it is pile you know, and so I was like Oh, I'm the one weird kid in Phoenix. That is like playing guitar all day long instead of running around not Jason Girls hanging out at the mall. I'm missing around. That's what I'm doing. So any kid that does that whatever they do. They're going to be practice practice practice. Carnegie Hall is definitely the inconclusive. That's right. You know I didn't know that that was like you know I guess. My story is a little bit like. The beauty queen right that gets on the bus. As the most attractive Prom Queen would ever in school in Topeka and the flyover, or in the way, and then gets to La is like Oh. You're blind I'm not only one man. Here in like. I'm in the dorm at UCLA. and. In the girl? I'm like seventeen and the girl. That's two doors down from me. All of a sudden comes out of her dormant. She's head to toe like dress like a video like I'm like I'm still seventeen trying to figure out how to pass my classes near ahead of myself and she looks like a modern like stilettos in the hair. Why what's going? How are you like ten years older? How do you how does even happen? She was like Oh. I'm going on a day I'll see you later and she walks down to the lobby of the door and it's Paul Gilbert picking her up Oh my gosh. Right love Paul Gilbert. Grape. Guard player, Great Guitar Player Vinyl Them, one of the original shredders. Yeah, one of the original. Shredding and and. And the thing is is a medicine here and he's a really nice guy. You know. Oh, he's a sweetheart that who knows how old he was at that time He. It, actually is the eighties. It's not a it's not a Halloween party. This is happening in real time here. Mental is huge I'm five miles from the sunset strip, but I'm also seventeen and I just lived in Phoenix. So I'm still I'm seeing went to Ucla Yeah. Okay, so I was like what is happening. How that happens? That's a real person you had. Your date like totally. Like what it well you know. How did you get there? How did you go from Phoenix to UCLA? And what did you major in? Will I was in I, was in Phoenix for grade, school and high school, and I gotta I gotTa. GET OUTTA here, yeah! I gotta go play. Guitar I gotTA. Get Back to California, so we moved back. I convinced my mom to take a job. Never remember. My mom is gunning for me to be this rock and roll. She's as part of it. Yes, she isn't. She's told her. I was I was doing well in high school I said I might want to be a lawyer or a doctor. Just because I like to study, believe it or night and she started crying. She was like Whoa Neil Young. We had a deal like. Not Kidding for real. That's great. I was so disappointed as the offices so inches. What college you got to get in the band so anyway? She moved back. Here got a job so I could get residency. Afford it I got into UCLA. Detainee ATTENTION UCLA because I was like. This is just holding me back. I gotTA get out there. You know so going to school in trying to get through as quickly as possible, but you know getting in a car, my buddy's car whatever and heading out in the late eighties. What's going on I I played desires. You know before switched over I saw bill bizarre, and if you ever see decline of Western civilization part two, which is terrible. Do you? Have you heard of these movies now? No okay, so decline of Western civilization part one. was done I think by penelope spheres. Who might have done? What she did a lot of early documents, but it's it's the definitive punk rock Elliott punk rock moving, so she decided to make two. And naturally if you're like looking around at L., A. Like okay well, we did punk rock music. Let's do hereby Herrmann hairband. Heavy metal music, right the definitive like yeah. What was the western? To. which like most sequels is not groundbreaking all okay, but is amazing now when you look back because it's so sad. You got to look back at how kind of like pathetic, because because it's the bans that didn't become the huge hair bill. Band like. Okay okay I'm looking at up now. Okay Amazing Saipuddin. It's the decline of Western. Bill. Okay show them. There was one guy and he's. He's up one. Band Guy Who's in his pool up in the hills, just pouring. In his in his pool chair into it while his mom's on the side of things. We're going to be huge. We're going to be, but they didn't become poisoner project. That moving. Okay, so so you played that year I. showed up at that scene. Yeah, and the band that was in for one minute. took me up tricked me in stole my clothes own. Yet because I showed up at the GIG I'd Sperry top siders. Sh board shorts and a t-shirt I'm just like a guitar shredder I'm not I don't know about the whole image, right and everyone. There had SPANDEX and. And all that I was like. No one cares and they stole my clothes. You'RE GONNA. Wear this stuff. That's Hilarious, so he takes. It was just a minute, but like to have been able to peek in to being his Ariz, which was where Van Halen was discovered all the way up to poison and Motley crue, and all those as was right next to the Roxie became billboard and a bunch of other clubs. But to actually show up with my axe, and how bill Gazuri this all Italian Dude looking like Godfather's pizza with old suit and the two hookers, either side of him. Kid You playing tonight. That moment like meeting like Dean Martin or so. Pass away right after that, so I got a glimpse into that. But that's what I'm doing. La is like trying to gig and get in bands in. One I'm is totally into the police and their surfers and we're playing this music, and then this other band is like a heavy metal band. And what were you studying? Philosophy did you finish I? Did Wow, this guy really does hit the books. So how did you have time to finish a degree in philosophy? and. Develop a music career philosophy I picked. Because it was the lowest amount of upper division credits, you could get to graduate thirteen. What he didn't know. Is that philosophy? Ucla was number five riper like Harvard and like. Three It was like hard core logic in math. That's why it was only a few courses in these guys were like brainiacs, whatever fortunately in the first couple years I just went right at it when I still had some brain cells in some attention span, and then I found out I couldn't graduate UCLA. Even though I finished all my required classes because I didn't actually have enough credits to graduate. So the last two years, just took electives, just random things like film class, and whatever and just went and gigged just got enough to graduate so in a way, I kind of missed my college education, because I wasn't really focused on it. I was just trying to get on the road. But then you got a nice little hodgepodge of information toward the end. Yeah, that's excellent throws. We've we've only gotten past one of the questions so far so. This is. ABC. Question. One. I'm barren graph. You're listening to the career musician. With nomad. Being a career musician is more than just gigs and sessions. Are you a career musician? Find out on the career musician podcast streaming everywhere. Binge previous seasons of the career musician podcast and subscribe for all new episodes. Lasting the stereotype of musicians follow US EPA career musician podcast. Zander Smith I'M GONNA Guitar Player Singer Songwriter Road, manager Cat Juggler, and you're listening to the crew musician podcasts. Here's. Here's what I wanted. Here's some things I do WanNa talk about. Your principles in your methods are coming out in conversation. So that's fine, you know I always ask my my guest talk about some of your principles and methods, but look the bottom line is with somebody like yourself. You're a businessman you understand on business works so your principles. You're going to be on point with good business practices. And you'll divulge more information as we go. Your resume your credits. People can find out. Let's talk about that briefly. Zander Smith Right, we can go to your website Zander Smith, music dot com, and they can see more about your resume, but. Take me through the abridged version. You're out here. You Hustle and you want to get gigs now. You Finish Your College. How did you get from playing the Strip to working for her? Alpert one of the greatest jazz legends of our time. Well. First of all. It starts out Zander with an Acoustic Guitar. At the end of the day right because I can't control what other people are doing or how well bans are going to do or Whether I use her hair spray or not. You know what I mean I love in also the DNA starts out with your prudence. Garfunkel. Riders Yeah just always was interesting. That's always hit home for me so I'm when I'm seventeen eighteen them all while doing those other gigs. I'm also go into these coffeehouses and stuff that existed back then and doing solo sets, which fast forward through a bunch of different bands. I gave you a CD today when I walked in. and. Still do that in Pat Elastic, so you're developing your your singer-songwriter chops. You're singing and playing. And you're doing covers and you're writing. Right and you've had a lot of success doing that. Yeah, you know got a lot of stuff in brought a lot of talented people in. Maybe. That's where the beginning of the manager business model. Stuff comes in. Because you got to go, get the GIG yourself yourself. You got to do it yourself. The one's doing it for you until you're John Maher even before that I'm sure he's doing it all himself as well. So that got involved later on as I slowly transitioned, so I became the guy when I became just the guitar player, then I would sit around, but I had a hard time watching poorly run. Groups are tell me about a and and I couldn't my own business, and I didn't know how to just get paid and shut up I. My ego is. Up Yes so. So what happens is slowly, but surely banned by ban project-by-project I kind of start falling upwards to a management capacity for a long time. I'm playing guitar and then like well I. Don't be the road manager. You know we're paying this guy. I can go get paid and get all that stuff done so acquiring that skillset while that's happening. Okay. I got to pay the bills. so in between two different bands that were signed I'm broke his job. Okay I and I'm not try adapt not trying to work a regular job anymore. Even though I had worked regular jobs because I'm trying to be available to play right so. What ended up happening is I got to get the House of Blues. Selling t shirts because my buddy disturbed me bone. He's like come sell t-shirts. Pay Cash on the table. That turned into a another career in production. Because I'm sitting there I'm eating nachos and drinking a beer and I'm watching. You know whatever ban on stage selling t shirts, but then I'm bored, you know. I'm curious. I'm watching the Lighting Guy I. Go over the line at Mike. How did you did it? At which by the way Baron still sitting here? He also has experienced in doing. I mean he'll sit. You know. He's a former lighting guy, too. Much you didn't tell me. He's a multitalented guy. Did Not Divulge so okay, so anyway the short answer there's I again fall. My way upwards into sound and stage and next thing I know. I'm the stage manager running that stuff. Get signed again. I'm see I'm going to. Shift back over pivot got. All your own artist yeah, okay. Okay okay, but I still got this sort of like this fallback. Career doing stuff like that. The last guy had before her alpert. Chance your question. I'm road managing I'm playing guitar? For an artist, it's going around the country and and. It's a tough get you know it's a tough case. Doubling Up Guitar and road manage and road managing printing out settlers while doing soundcheck right planes, Shakur and driving the van. Right, you kind of like four jobs, and I remember this. We were in Boston once in the singer was like. I didn't have a guitar part of this, but she wanted me to play sugar. which by the way for all your listeners? Percussion is the hardest instrument out there to be knowing knowing gives it at credit, but you know soon as you're not on. It's like you know right away so. I'm printing out the guest list. Oh, no, because I'm managing to right, and and she just stops the song by the way got the people that were in this band were really talented. She had a killer yoke band. Okay, and and they're all watching me do this and she's just like you're slowing down. You drop in the beat man and I was like. I'm printing out the guest list, which is not the answer, right? There's no excuse. Read the answer is either I'm so sorry, tasker. Of here we go I got so sorry. I'd say we'll fix it. We'll fix. At wit's end and I called my. Who is a sound guy and I was like? Listen man you the only normal person I know in the music business. Really talented guy. You're a nice guy. You're actually your family, man, your professional You know you're not screaming at people own. You're not hooked on. He doesn't take gigs where people are screaming at. Show businesses pretty well. There's a lot of that breezy. Yeah onstage and I said if you ever get a GIG. Take me with you to call me. Only I dropped that that you know that hit and about nine ten months later. On I'm. Remember what you're doing sound for herb? Alpert and I was like I was like great. He's like I'm dying out here. It's just me. He's needs a he needs people. So can you come see? A Geoghegan? Maybe talked to him about working for him. And I was like I was really involved in my own thing at that point I was going to Russia and all this different stuff was very involved as a player. Last thing I wanted to do was go. Work with another artist fulltime. So you do in that just as Zander Smith the artist you time, no that time I run, run run run. Run your band which we'll get to doing great. Okay, we all over the place. Create opening slots record coming out KCRW K Rock, all of it and then I get this phone call. And I was like me with the guy and her changed me. Because it was just a, it was a whole different thing was I didn't know it was just a Gig I was looking for. But I didn't know he would change me. As a as a person has a man as a future parent. and. Approach to the music business as a player. Initially, it seems counter intuitive to me when you have this successful band with a solo career going, and then you want to go work for a legendary artist as a tour manager I to me. That seems like. There's no there's no comparison. I'm GONNA stick with. My Artistry Right. Most people would you know but the universe? Given US Rick Springfield conspired against me because he wasn't all or nothing, it wasn't like hey. I'm a big deal right now and I'm doing two hundred dates a year and you got drop everything. Pack your bags and go. He was like I. don't even really want to do this. He goes. My wife and I are Kinda we love. We play couple shows. Year in fact, he said to me. When I win, didn't assessment I said listen? You have a band here. You needed the very least. You have a great year. He produced a lot of records. You need a monitor guy. Oh they didn't have. It was just my friend Mike. He was doing both run around set. He's like. You need a monitor guy. You gotTa Sound Guy. You've got a woman in the ban. Your wife is singing, so you need a lighting Guy Green now on stage because there's no lights. You probably need someone to set up all the really nice equipment. You need like three or four people at the very just to go do this thing otherwise. You don't need me that. That's if you WANNA become because he said I want it to be comfortable I want to be smooth. This is the very least what you need. Is the team put together is how you do it. Yeah, he said to me okay well whatever you think, and then when we talked about were gonNA tour this year. What's the schedule? He said listen. You'll never hear this. He said. Listen you guys. Tell me when we're going to play. What are you talking about? He goes well these other guys in my band. He plays with burt backtrack. These two guys play with Sergio Mendez and play with Blah and everything, and you obviously got some talented guys at other jobs. He goes We're not really. We're not even really of do this thing. He goes. You guys. Check all your schedules and wherever you're not all working. Let's play some shows. So. That's how it was able to do it I just. Did you develop them in between the times when I wasn't doing so it's easy to say that, but did you develop a relationship with a booking agent? Had to say you have to. Do. You have in that position. Because look, let's be honest and most most banned like. Celebrity type artists bands. Management wants the musicians to be seen, but not heard yeah. Literally, so you can be seen, but keep your mouth shut. They don't want you talking to people. They don't want you. Making friends with the agents of the promoters of this are. They. Don't want you to get too close to the artist's. They control all that and it's all it's all we know the reasons why so? The fact that you but you the tour manager, so it's different. See as a tour manager. You have a mouthpiece that you're actually. Knighted to us they they want to use it. You have to use it right. You have to talk to management. Talk your go between lot of times. That was like a blessing in disguise right. It was a blessing, and you know what when one thing is thematically is is is he was so gracious and he was since he made us a priority. We made him a priority. That's amazing, so he was able to get symbiotic. Uh, he was able to get Priority standing from part-timers, which never happens. Right! If you put someone on salary, you put him on retainer. It's fine. Whenever you save. Up Everything go, but for for him to. To get that to this day from the people that work from because it's still a part time gig really. Is Amazing, and that's just because of the way he talked to us and intrigue us and we wanted to do that for him. That's amazing. That's what I'm saying is. That's how it changed me. So in the beginning, it was like Yeah Jazz Guy. This could be a cool little side. GIG, it's going to be a lot less work than tormenting some rock band with a bunch of numskulls. Numskulls right so awesome you know, and so I thought it was, and then it just gradually kind of like became it shaped me so when I went back to my other gigs with other people. I took that mentality. You know this is a guy that started am records, which is the first real indie label and the one of the most successful of all time on a handshake deal. This is. House, her and and Moss and this is the story after story after story. If you talk to him, you can talk to them about all the arts, and there's so many that we grew up with everyone from you know the carpenters does soundgarden right, but when you ask them about Sheryl Crowe were you ask them? About cat, Stevens whoever and you hear the real story about? They came out, and you hear about the artists that they signed, but then let go like Waylon Jennings. He Finds Waylon Jennings in Phoenix Arizona. He's going out there. He's anr him. He does his first few records, but but understands that am while it's going to be really important to a lot of artists like Joe Cocker in different bands free. All these doesn't really. Have you know a dog in the fight when it comes to country music? Do for Waylon Jennings what RCA is, GonNa do. And those guys when they approach him, they come up to in Whelan's young and he's like no, they want me in. They let him out of his contract a man. Can, you imagine. To get I always dying era sign interscope in Ban in two thousand. We had to break up. To get out of that contract really. Think Jimmy Ivan is going to be like listen I. Don't know what you're doing but whatever it is, no one else is getting. And then my people will tell me if you've gotta hit record. Attention to that's what I walked into that record deal. Is signed am having nothing to do with her. Just a coincidence, really nineteen, Ninety, eight, ninety nine last ban ever signed to the original ainum before it got absorbed by interscope, Geffen am and I. Think Dgca like Polygram all got sucked up into Seagram's. The Canadian Company for a minute bought all of that, and then they put interscope in charge of everything. And they just it was a bloodbath of core, and they dropped every band. You can think of but for some reason. Kept us, but when put the record out? They were like we don't know what's going on with you, but Ted fields over here really likes what you're doing. So in this case there's chicks in your man, so we're not going to drop you. We're not going to do anything with you and your signed for seven years the toy. That's a bands purgatory. That is Tara. We broke. We had to break up. Said are what do I do. He's like you can't do anything. You're keen and this thing you and the other songwriter. So we had to break up. That's that's very different. So. That's my experience with. All navigating all those kinds of personalities and then here I am. I'm finally hitting my stride as a as a original artists into ban, everything tried for since I'm ten, and then I meet this Guy Herb Alpert. WHO Like I'm not really trying to do this? I, just WanNa have fun. No, really no, no, no for real and slowly to start getting into my brain. He's he doesn't realize talking me off of stage. Right Right. You know. Man Okay. So what? I find interesting about like you said your trajectory, you start off as a guitar player in turned artists then morph into touring manager then back to a guitar player artist than a ban Lee. So your career this whole time it's evolving, but it's still. Evolving around the same. Three roles kind of per. Se, what's interesting? Though is most musicians. Like you said not going to go for the management position. You're very. It's very even myself. Excuse me. I would always look and I can point the proverbial finger and say. Management is fucking up here. This is wrong. You're not doing this. Whereas production manager load in was jacked up. You didn't do I could do and and I. Know I can run the business, but I chose not to. Make you save yourself some may maybe. I ended up being the music director for a pretty. Long time very similar I think that's where really the rubber met the road because I, think I was. A lot of times I was bleeding over into managerial 's tore manager status. You. Know when I shouldn't have. I shouldn't have to add right if that's the corrector anyway. So. It's really unique I. think it's really cool, but. Talk, about run, run run and I'm looking at your email because you responded like I said you answered all my questions. Well, the talking points really they're not questions, but you mentioned something. You've Russia. You're singing. would. What does the Song you saying yesterday? Capella. Berg to like twelve thousand. Some great things here that you're talking about. I'm jumping around, but let's talk about run. Run run because that's what you said. You had a lot of success, so you know it's like. You know it's interesting. You know run run. Run was like it was. The band originally creatively was the. The combination of all the styles ever wanted to put into abandoned in one, so it was kind of it was my baby. You know and. And we had a lot of great opportunities. It was a musicians band in innocence. Sounded nothing like rush, but similar in that had the respect from. We really held her own. We were we were great live band. We had a lot of because we. We had a lot of problems as the music industry fell apart and change right when we hit our stride. Basically, the music business was over as far as record sales late two thousands right? Yeah, that's right when we come out. It's this like it's all falling apart. Our distribution deal falls apart this that the other thing yeah. Tough whereas you know if they'd had been a few years before that maybe. We'd be like Oh. You're in run run. Okay, you know we had everything going. On, Blake did you know great? Sing all that stuff, but but pound for pound I always grew up in a van. I was always on the road, so we were always a great live ban and we were able to mix a lot of. A lot of styles, but bans would see us, and that's why we opened up everybody and we opened up for everybody, not because we had a huge agent because we had a lot of money behind us, but because bands would see us and be like wow killer band. That's a killer ban I mean the list of bands. We opened up for from the strokes to new order to really you name it, you know all different giant were. was impressive because they were like Oh. Let's give these guys a shot you know, and because of that we got to do a lot of great things running around got to go to Russia because we're opening for a really big Russian ban that came here. No one knew where they were, but they were stadium. Ban Over there with Sarah they were called Mooney troll. Okay, and their lead singer is like a household name over there. And so and they were an alternative band they were abandoned was raised on contraband Eighties Alternative Records in Vladivostok. You know seaman who come in with these records. You know television and Blondie in Bubba so anyway. They heard one of our songs like these other bands Oh. Wait. These guys are on something. They made us there. Which I also was the tour manager for you because these guys had no idea where they were going. Oh, running so many things on the pine. Pass me taking this Russian ban on day one. To Washington DC for their first GIG in the United States on the day, the inauguration of Obama what's a bunch of rushing through customs must have been like a bunch of Russians in what looks like a basically a bomb Lamy. It's a silver bus with tinted windows, trying to get to the Russian embassy because the because they're so famous in Russia. They wanted to have a lunch for them. And I'm like and I get this thing, and the guys like quoted us, please and we go. We get free lunch and we go in there. I don't know where I'm. So out of at that point in studio for a month after for God, it was the inauguration, and we pull in in the middle of abuse. See and we pull up. There's you know the the pylons and everything and the secret service. Guys the lunch room manager for this Russian been we walk in its full state dinner. The kind you only see on the west wing I mean caviar, so you guys. Know Address says Mississippi and the Russians were in suit. This is like like they're all. There's Putin in the knocked out. The rest of them are in their series. We walk in. Really. That's so okay and you're there. I'm looking at them now. Okay, so all this information is online so they. Might go over Russia. Okay, and so so you're the tour manager. How did you become a manager for Russian? Tour manager because the village recorder, which is a famous story here in. Santa, Monica can everyone every by one of the only slow real studios this left. That's still old school running. Yeah, Still Robbie Robertson's got his. The, whole thing real music. And I needed studio time for a run. Run run and I just don't have the cash I needed you know I need a room is two grand, a day or two thousand five hundred day I'm like so make a deal with Jeff. The owner of the studio who'd come to see run right at the vibe was like listen. I used to be the agent for the WHO and he told me he goes you guys. One. Thing about the WHO Leonard Skinner does date always could kill every other band onstage. There were that good live he goes. You guys really got something. Let me know if I can reduce your. I need some studio time. He's like even he goes. I can't give you that room. It's that we did this thing with where they did Asia. Okay, steely Dan. He gives the Asia Room. He's like Oh make you a deal. Give me this much cash and you gotta take these guys out on the road I got this Russian band. They're going to be huge bubble. He found them. I'm like I. Know Providence two weeks I'll do it. That's only ended up with the Russians. But because I'm a professional and I want people to hear this I mean I'm as bullish. It is the next guy but. But I'm a professional okay. I never told them about my band. I never hustle democratic. The remember like you're doing right now. In the back of the bus. What does this song and dance? Yeah, he plays it for the singer and they were like you didn't tell us. You have a ban I. don't worry about that. I'm just trying to get home and get in studio. And then so they became big supporters like a lot of bands, of course of course. I mean I'm looking at here. Yeah, like you, said the strokes Psychedelic, furs zombies the walkman movie trolls trail the dead cranes Sparta the teenagers, still on pickups and the living in so wow, okay! Yeah Steve Perry Okay Madonna Okay Wow. All right so I love this story I don't want to interrupt you, but I'm I'm kind of throwing in the the facts here. What happens next movie troll Putin. So we go over her. Yeah, I. Mean You know? We have our first show over. There isn't a place called Kazan, which I've never heard of its south of Moscow and you know kind of like in the southern part of America, there's a lot of you know Spanish influence in the southern part of Russia. It's all Islam like causing and all the fans Tartarstan all these different places great way to put that by the way. Is that really helps you envision you, so you see this influence, so we end up and they do they call open air right? Opener shows is a big deal. They have a lot of squares over that part of the world. Right you see Queen in the Ukraine and there's a big square, right? Big Squares here, right a lot of space out. They liked to do things where half a million people just show up and stand there, right? Dictators need to talk to people, so they have one. In the background, but the Russian flags ever we show up. It's our first festival open air festival. They invited to and we walk out. And and I and I mentioned it in the very first day. You know there's like. A hundred thousand people. It's ridiculous. We were at the Viper Room. Two weeks before this before that. Right. I think there were. Maybe one hundred people. Same set list. At the end of the nuts at the end of the night, Andrei Makarevich which you've never heard of and I've never heard of. He's never heard, but his the bruce springsteen. That's the way it was described of Russia. He's a guy that came out at end of the sixties was right when Beatles everything he was trying to expose people to Western music, so he was like a singer Songwriter, and then he stuck around everything, so he's a household name from the Cold War days, and so having him come out would be like. Like Oh Elton John and our festival or something, he comes out he does give peace a chance, and brings me on stage, and I'm singing, and now it's the nighttime slot, and now it's just as far as you can see that many people so that's our first GIG in Russia right messing up and this is what you said in when you email me messing up the words to give peace a chance in front of eighty to one hundred thousand Russians, but realizing no one cared. You gotTa love that. Yeah, like, can you? Basically give peace a chances to rap song. Added editor, and there's a lot of lyrics on like writing them down high, and he's like you know. Give jets come and I was like. Could we do like help or something I know? Hell. I'M I. Spend a lot of money to bring us over there. I gotta get out there and you're going to make it happen. You know. That's crazy. Guitar player. Has Anyone ever told you this? I learned this early on to remember one time early Gig. I unplugged almost stepped on my can't. Do Early Guitar Player why God it'd be plugged in guitar. Back turnaround a blue award. Inada guy pulled me aside. Go never do that again. You to smile. No one is even listening. You make. No one even knows you're playing. Looking at the drummer and the system, look over if you see a tax dispute like hey, yeah! Amy But man the show must go on. Turn your back. Anyway, to answer your question about the twelve thousand people and yesterday okay, they brought me back to play an acoustic show. Just myself they had the Russian promoters in were in Saint Petersburg hockey arena. Just by yourself just by the solo act well I pitched it to him. It was like listen. We have the opening slot. We can't afford to bring back the whole band, so I went back for this. All I'm trying to do is not make it. As zander Smith I'm just trying to keep the flame alive, so whether it's one of us. Are All of us just keep in the culture? That's amazing. You know and try to keep this career in this. This the see, but that's because you had a mouthpiece. You knew how to conduct business. You knew what if you just speak up? It's okay, nobody's GonNa get mad at you right? Nobody's going to throw things at you and what they do. Okay Duck, but just fucking talk right went up your mouth and be cool right right, and there's so many musicians don't understand that quite well. Get Hustle in there. Like get what I want, but there's a line there. You gotTA. Be Cool. You have to have to go for it, too. So. I said I'll come over by myself. Okay so I'm about to walk onstage and like I said they're all there to see the headliner. They're not there to see me I mean people are starting to know who we are, but we're still not selling twelve thousand four hundred thousand tickets. This is an opening slot for that band. And what I realized. This is like minutes before I went onstage was. When you walk onstage with the band, a rock and roll band especially in that part of the world, because they're still into rock and roll, and they still like deep purple over there. It's their huge. Drums, you got Qatar Solos. You've got the model business model of a rock and roll, and if you're decent enough, they're going to be respectful. They may not love. You may not be axle rose or whatever, but they're gonNA, you know. Now there's. It doesn't matter if you're the guy in animal. House for the Acoustic Guitar like shut that guy up or your ten thousand people. You're the dude with acoustic. Guitar unless you are less, you have hits in a lesser known to be that guy you just annoying. Who are you know? This guy singing right now? Right? And I realized that right before I went on, and I looked out, and I saw thousands and thousands of people. Like when I was a kid going to see arena bands before the lights went dowse sure I was like. In my all of a sudden Kuna my who the fuck in my like wow! Yet greet. Here's your slot kid, but you better bring it because if you've never been on stage and had a crowd, turn on, you can't explain it. You have no ice. Seem Weezer fans? Opening bands up. Alive in the early days, like in those first couple with Weezer when I just have A. Local ban like Oh that was a bad move like we're opening for songs, so yeah, okay good luck because there's four thousand people that aren't there to see you Opening band is. Worse I saw White Lion. Nothing why lion? called. There was van that got booed off the stage when I saw him open for journey nineteen eighty-six. Another wiping. No, no! Don't forget me when I'm gone. That was their big thing on eighty six I'll think of the name any case. So you don't WanNa be that guy. But what you can do what we all can do in in life is is right size ourselves. We can look and go. What am I? What am I dealing with right now? Who is in front of me? And how can I go and not get punched in the face right now? How can I get you know awareness self awareness looked at that and I was like I can't walk. I don't have what they're looking for. What can I do to ingratiate? What can I do to bring them in and make this possible? That's when I realized that to this day. Not that they aren't big everywhere, but the Beatles are are all their music. It's a household name there and the thing about these other countries, not just eastern Europe and stuff, but you go to central, America and South America and stuff like that they love songs. They love to Sing I. used to see is bad lashes mnay Mexican. Come come to house of Blues and they would be killing it. Playing hard knocks on, and then they would go into a ballot and it was even louder. Whereas in America it was like Oh. You're bumming me out right now to play your ballot. You keep up the energy and I knew that and I thought to myself. I'm a walkout. They're gonNA play yesterday. But I'm not just going to go out there like a cover band. Any I'm going to tell him a story. A short story and I walked out there in in a minute or less short slot I walked out there, and I said listen. I said my mother family are all from Russia and I, said you know. She gave me a guitar when I was young, and she gave me a Beatles record. All is is true and I learned this song as a little kid I hope you'll like this song. I hope you'll sing the song with me. And I started playing yesterday, and by the first verse in middle of I I I had everyone seeing long. Wow, and then this is in real time what I realize as far as being a producer or an MD right? How to orchestrate your ban? I had never thought of this until this moment, but I'm playing up there. You know your ears become fatigued when you're listening whether it's lights or drums, whatever over and over and over again when you're just a singer songwriter up their guitar player, all you're hearing is blah. Blah Blah Blah and strums drums, drums, drums drum, and it's it's incessant. Right especially. If you're a guy out there and you're playing at ten thousand people you're really trying to. You're trying to bring the energy that you don't have with your ban not being there. Is No drummer behind you. In that moment I thought well, you know if you really want to get attention as a lighting guy, you turn all the lights out. That's a big Murai right, not adding read or whatever. Yeah, right? I thought well. There's just mean this hand that I just stopped. What if I just stop playing guitar right now? Right as it goes into the second verse and it Just Stop Playing Guitar in. It brought everyone into it and Fr-. There were some people singing everyone was saying now is ten thousand, and because they could hear them self singing and they looked around. It's about now. I made it about us in not just about me. And then I brought the guitar back in and then I had them. And then they were like all right now. What do you got this one of my sons and I played a couple more songs I did Russian cover and I got the fuck office. He was. Sixteen minutes say go but you. Me a half an hour. Seventeen minutes in fuck this guy. Why is he still there? Because whereas the Guy Agency that was smart, they gave you half hour the. At six eighteen minutes view, but see that's using your judgment. Yeah, why couldn't have done that in the past? But this is all poster this is. From them starting to see how it goes. Okay let's do a rapid fire about business and we're GONNA do rapid-fire for fun, so the rapid fire for business I tour essentials I love what you said Pack Light I so agree. And then you say it just read it. Okay all right. Just read it, he says. Tangent one pair of dark jeans flip flops swimsuit change of underwear and t shirt each day, a good slim fit coat, and the one electric car with some pedals in the carry on. Check a bag. Okay, so you end it with the all time. Ultimate rule of a traveling musician never check a bag nephew, check a bag. That has sure towel sign that you are a rookie. Yeah, because whenever you land you and thirteen. Other people don't need to be standing at the luggage rack waiting for you. Damn suitcase to show up. You just want to hit the ground and roll right not to mention the fact that you yeah that they lose bamboos. It and you can't afford to have that happen and. So where I learned, that was at the House of Blues. Call me in as a runner one day. What do you need me to do? Judas Prese without the without the original singer for a little while they've got to stand in so when they've got ripper saying they're playing the House of Blues when he comes back. They're playing at shop Alfred I'm. Listening to blues I just need to get some cash, right? Broke. Yeah, sure I'll do whatever you want on I love it. Hey, can you take this? Can you take Judas Breezy laundry to the fluff unfold? Not a problem sure down Santa Monica. What's the big deal fluff? It was this big. Those guys have. They were the same. This right cut off. Sleeves Cutoff Little meany short sure metal shirts every single night. They have one outfit and there's wash it every single day. You don't eat any need all this stuff. I love it studio. Etiquette always arrive early with your own bottle of Water I. Love both of those so again. Early is as on time as early early bub-bubba. Okay, you know. We know that talk about that studio. My my other thing is keep your eyes in Eisenhower. Wide. Open your mouth shut. So. Absolutely anything to expound on studio etiquette. No just listen and wait to respond to be. Ready Yeah unless you're the producer, the producer than you're running the show and you need to do what you gotTa do all right health and lifestyle on the road you said go to bed as early as possible. Never be around smoke and try to avoid CARBS. I love that first of all I was always the first one to my hotel room. All the guys in Bamberg Oh man I forget, you man, you're not gonna I would go out every once in a while I have a couple of drinks, but then you know what guys look twelve, twelve, o'clock one o'clock come on and lobby calls it five calls in four hours and you want me to go. Hang Out, hell, no matter. Who are on the road in the beginning because they want that party, they want to be invited to that party right? You can't sustain the. Best. Articulated perfectly okay business acumen negotiating branding, etc, and you say stay true to yourself, but must be flexible to the one who's writing your paycheck. Yeah, I. think that's brilliant I mean. You know it's a matter of finding that balance. I think this whole interview about that when to say no, thank you when you already know. It's a bad idea before you take the GIG and you still think well. Maybe let's talk about that because I believe gut instinct goes ignored too often with all of us as a human race I, think an hour initial gut instinct is usually on point, right? Yeah that sounds like what you're saying, yeah! Short story, go back to her. Please give him some credit. People told me this before, but I didn't start hearing it. In the early days when we weren't when he wasn't doing much stuff at all, play a few times a year. GIG came up. someone had worked with before had a miserable time with was really tough. gig Wasn't worth the money. And And but the but this tour tour came up and it was three months, and it was a big paycheck was a big. All I saw was the the total. Chunk of change what I would come home with mid December show and it's September when making this phone call okay, and for some reason you know at that time her was kind of. We were more chronic. We're really that involved, so it was almost kind of like a mentor like a father figure. I would just ask I. Don't know. I just for some reason. I called him that day and I didn't even know who was. Is it listen I got this Gig? What do you think he wasn't working? So it's not like. It was a conflict at all I was like. What do you think about this used him as a sounding board, he goes He wasn't this the person you went out with where this thing happened. Nothing having you really miserable told me that I said. Yeah you're right. He goes. It's not worth it. He goes all you can see. Is that paycheck? He goes, but I'll tell you something's Andrew he goes. You're never going to see that money I said. What do you mean? You Never GonNa Finish that tour. Because you're either. GonNa Quinton or you're going to get fired because you're not on the same page that hardest. So you're. Never GonNA come. Now it's like okay. That's when I said. No, thank you. Yeah, this is an interesting deal for me. Because now in my real life, I work in sales. I want to hear all about this and so for me. I think what you said a spot like people. Nowadays people are so eager to go get hung yet and consume consume consume that. It that gut instinct thing is like this. Okay I'm. GonNa Suck, but I'm going to do it and so for me. I have a bit of a different experience in that in my mind I go. What I've gotten to. The point now is that I. Don't have to go I. Remember when I went out on tour with that person. It's this person's bringing me this kind of energy. And I've felt that kind of energy before I already know what this is and I. Don't WanNa feel it again I I already know and for me in my job. It's very much. How much are they going to pay me Because unlike you. I can get to the bag right. I get to the paycheck. But, if it's not enough money, I know people in my line of work, hundreds of lines of work that in the effort to make the deal in the effort to get the thing, right. They'll go through the trump through these crazy hoops. Go through these headaches. Go through these terrible experiences, and then you get the money on the end of it and you're like Whoa. That wasn't worth it. For me is I'm only going to do that. If the payoff is right, and sometimes the payoff is money. Sometimes, the payoff is other thing, but I think the difference for me is. When I was much younger in my career, go through these things upbeat. beat the shit out of me and come out. Oh, man, and even when I get the big paycheck, it almost like Mantha. That wasn't worth it right, but now where I'm at is when I go into, it is wide open I, I know this is GonNa suck I know you're going to need too much for me. I know you're going to be unrealistic. I know you're going to be this that and that. Because I already have that knowledge, and I go at the end of this I'm getting this big paycheck. Then it adds that perspective for me of okay. I I'm the one making the choice here. Right I know you're going to be difficult. I know what the paycheck is. I know the whole game and so I'm never caught off guard by, and I've certainly said No. Thank you to people where it's like I. I know who you are and I know what the the check's going to be at the end and the journey I have to go on. The potty of gold is a big enough then, but then you would I love what you're saying. Because now you hold yourself accountable and you respond instead of react so every time that they overstep their boundaries. You take that step, you say. Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Remind yourself knock on your head. I took this okay. How do I do this? I'm going to respond. Cautiously I'M GONNA. Take my time. I'm going to plot out a logical explanation. I'm not gonNA react. I'M NOT GONNA. Let it get my blood pressure up. I'm not going to expect you to be different. That's the big thing right at. Know who you are, I'm not gonNA. Expect you to be different. Already told me who you are. You already told me Love, and even you didn't tell Michael I worked with Zander four months ago. When you guys are the same person that I already know who you are, and if I don't expect you to be somebody different, I don't expect the situation to be different. If it's coming at me, nice go. Yup, that's who you are. That's how you do this. When you're you, that's how you do it. Then suddenly you removed the expectation of change. Suddenly, everything gets way more easier to accessible. Yeah, it's just like okay. That's one of those so I only say that that's brilliant. Brilliant I love it. I always say that being a musician is. Involves a lot of sales techniques because we have to always knocking on doors, they're getting slammed in our face. Most of the time doors aren't even getting nobody like us. All I'm going to go over to that. Do you think that's a door told you? Door I know it's a door for him, yeah! And then all of a sudden. It's free concrete walk. So here's one thing I want to ask you is sales. Okay? How do you deal with what some of the techniques that you use to deal with the fact that the door is not even a door. When you thought it was a door. In other words, my biggest thing right now communicate respond. Reply because when you don't reply. People assume the worst. Let's not make an asset of you and me unless just fucking reply even if the reply. Even if you think the reply is not in my favor, and not, what I wanna hear, just tell me. Just level up and be like you know what I really appreciate. The song you sent over. Thank you so much. We did ask for you to send some song and I appreciate the fact that you sent some over. However at this point, we are not interested. Thank you very much and stat of leaving me on the. Hook for the next until you see what I'm saying. That's one small example. So how do you deal with a response for that, please? Their lack of responses their response. I think that's a bunch of bullshit listen. I never do that to people. No I know that, but that's okay, thank. You are but listen. That's okay. You have the ability to judge them right. And if you're unhappy. WITH THEIR ETIQUETTE! They're they're responding or not responding with Barron's. Then you already know what you're dealing with. That's right you know, and then you can have your own internal cutoff as to. That's right. You know this is not the way I would treat somebody you have to. That said you also have to. You have to become familiar like what what the expectations are with certain people or certain group of people right like there's some cities where everyone's on time and some. Oh, everyone's late here in the city or whatever? They always put push it on a half hour earlier than when it actually talk about audience is really quick. Passover Barrett. Let's talk about how you can be easily offended onstage whether you're in a small local banner, a big man when you go to a place where nobody's clapping. They were going crazy in Wisconsin last night. What's wrong with these Canadians? That's a great. What's wrong with the French or the Swiss? OUAGA Say. What are you talking about? I have almost open my mouth and really blown it as a lead singer chastising wanting to chastise an audience. That's not respond the way I need them to respond only to not get around to walk off stage the promoters like while they were totally captivated by you guys. And I was like I thought they hated us. Wow, so as Moore is getting. With songs, or whatever and you ask, you gotTa Kinda. You gotta sit there for a second and go got out. You gotTA. You gotTA. Zoom out and see what it is. You don't always know. Be always know what's really going on the other side you just got to. Keep pushing for it, you know. As much as I conduct my business with respond, you know, reach out reply that I get it, not everybody does. How do you deal with this in the sales concert? You Yeah, you're talking about something that is. Old As sales itself, and so one one thing one thing to understand. Is that like? There there are people. As many people as you think love to say no. Not that many. Most people really don't like to tell you now and especially I feel like this is accelerating now because. It used to be like a handful of people. Have this go-getter never say die attitude well now we've been bombarded with all these inspirational stories of people who just never gave up. You tell somebody no now. It's almost like here's your green light to like Hammarby like. Rian light the come after me. Like I've never wanted any like door to door sales light. Just kill me right? Call me at dinner. Like leave me alone. If I say no, that's who you are right. Yeah! I'm green-lighting you to become that person now. Maybe you aren't that person, but overwhelmingly now that's the response because I don't take the I know and in sales we're taught. Don't take the I know right, but a couple of key things. What you're actually talking about is turning no in doing yes. And Turning A, non-response into a now. I like that so the biggest thing that one of the biggest things I've come to is. The one of my favorite sayings in sales's some will some won't so what next right? Some well somewhat next right? Okay fine. We're not a good fit. Cool Talk. Somebody get somebody else. And in this way I think sales is a lot like try to pick somebody up at a bar. Right like if I walk up. All I'm doing is talking to you. All I'm doing is buying new drinks. I'm trying to keep people away from. It's got that stink of desperation to it right? And how many times does that ever gone well for anybody? So you can't. You can't be that Guy Right, but you also in my world I have to get a now. I have to close the account. I've okay. That's not happening. I can write that off. Nobody's GONNA. Ask me a question, so the biggest thing for me is I gotta give him permission to say no right. So for me. A lot of what I do is like. Hey, listen. It's been a while since we talked I sent you this information. I'm not sure if you have other questions. Maybe we're just not a good fit right right. Maybe maybe we're not a good fit is like one of the best statements ever because I think it. It doesn't if you're dealing with somebody who's volatile, right? Doesn't doesn't provoke them. It doesn't mean you're a bad person Michael that doesn't mean. I'm a bad person. We just. Right. Nobody's hurt. They're like that. You know what it's hard not to take your music purse only yeah, but you can't take it personally. To me is where I would get really difficult to invest so much soul in yourself. Here's and the example I used was a musical example. Well, let's talk about. Let's talk about logistics. Hey, is sound. Check still at. Still at four am or has been pushed back because I heard, artists mentioned something. Crickets okay come on now. People fucking respond. It could be something as small as that or as big as your music, but actually the music you cannot take personal. Why I spend less time. More time. Principles and methods baby right here by Zander Smith. That answer any longer. winemaking and giving the answer. I think think for me. It's always just like. Hey, this is no big deal. Yeah, yeah, if you know no big deal, the real break and that's how I am I'd rather you tell me no, then string me along right? Oh, absolutely, tell me know, and we'll still go have a beer and chill like I'm cool. You know what I'm saying. Bring permission to say no. No more it's not a big deal at the happens all the time. Bro, you're not. You're not upsetting me. Afraid of no less no means competition I WANNA. Say for anyone's listening right now that that if you could see us right now. I just realized that. We are represented by we. Have we have you on the East Coast? We have the exact midpoint, oh. Yeah, Missouri and we have the Santa Monica boy. New York And Missouri I mean wow, he's midway. To this we we are a real focus group. Now I have to say I have to say. Baron planned it because he's the one orchestra. Of course you. You're not even a musician, but you orchestrated. Come on. That was good all right. All right, so check it out moving right along. We're going to wrap this up as guitarist or a solo. Solo actor, you've played a record and written with. Daniel. How do you say that Danielle Brisebois? Brisebois? French artist no mortgage. She was any on Broadway. She was also no archie bunkers. Remember the spinoff from all in the family. She was a little girl. Remember that and got signed by Sony in Early Ninety S. her boyfriend at the time was. New Radicals Greg Alexander. Who worked deal where he did her record and his record it for the same record deal, and she did real well in Europe so that was my first side Man Gig I would love that. You're with her Linda Perry. Linda Perry big songwriter. Yeah, you wrote with their did amazing shave fronted A. Club makeup was a monthly. All Star. Band at the El Rey from ninety nine to two, thousand, two, and she front as we did. twenty century Zeppelin. We did yes, she was singer. Bill Ward from Black Sabbath on drums and Kenny aren't off the coal. I Love Chiasso. A bunch of people can't through there. She was one of them. Then you've got the runaways. Dee Dee Ramone Adam Lambert William Belly. Steve Perry George Lynch new, Order Lisa Loeb and her album all over the place right. I Love I love the diversity. I really do so okay. Really, this has been amazing. Thank you for sharing both of you and I love tying in all of these. More philosophical concepts and the paradigm, and all these things okay so moving right along last thing we're going to this rapid fire. Fun Favorite Food, and you can both answer, or we can make this. You know what we could raise the stakes. How well do you really know each other Oh Usually. Get my wife over here. She's the only one that really knows okay. Answer from one another, or you could just answer as you whatever. Your favorite food. Spaghetti Bolognese Oh, I like it. Yeah I cook. A lot so I remember that my answer could always be something anything that I find that I'm the new that I'm excited about favorite food to cook. Perhaps Ooh, something that you say you know what your? GO-TO OH my go-to spaghetti down. Guy Can make that. The only reason. I said that is because on the road. That's all I'll eat because I. don't trust food I. DON'T EAT. JAPANESE FOOD IN JAPAN NO WAY Italy I'll. EAT IT and. Know. Over it was Austin area. Favorite libation, or where we just drinking like flat water sparkling water. Would we doing? A Pepsi. Pepsi I used to love Pepsi grownup. I'm pretty addicted. Sparkling water. It's pretty. Good. I like that and you. Say it say sheets like that craving? When you want something, sweet or something feel kind of fills you up a little bit all right favorite sport. We don't have to as Barron he's. As. Carbon, talking about? Football. So for you, it's baseball. Do you have a favorite sport editor? Yeah I have to say basketball. From when I was a kid, okay? How do you spend your free time assuming you have any? Trying to take my kid around town and get along with the family. That's fun. I got three kids I. don't even know what freedom. Is the best answer. What activities do you do on long flights? I like to watch really bad movies. I always go to the bookstore and get like price gouged on a paperback book. Really read a book and we. That trip read a book if I don't finish it. Home I got. Three kids didn't fall asleep. When you read or are you able to stay up to get the reading? No I feel for you go. That's awesome that you. Movies. No one will watch with me like I'M GONNA. Wonder woman by myself. Yeah, there you go there, you go okay. I love that all right I. got to save this one for the end. 'cause I know you both have long answers, favorite TV, show or movie that you're currently streaming watching. Doesn't that to be fair. It's something you really into at the moment. I'm in this weird pigeonhole right now. I'm watching a lot of music documentaries on Amazon. And this a million of them all. Yeah, we're always. So many of them I just watch on Netflix. I just watched Echo in the Canyon Oh, yes, which is I was talking about which of you grow up in Los Angeles like a lot of this stuff like I never knew that sets a good. Yeah? Sure about using I'm watching. Everyone else is watching. Okay I'm what I watch Jack Ryan last night, Jack, what a great series I binged that thing over the holidays I was like you know. What does the holidays I'm busy jackets? So glad I don't have to watch hunt for Red October thirteen hundred time why? Not, get better than that or the fugitive know. This is kind of like my Methadone for those is the characters. Alive and do either of you shop online brick and mortar? Do you care more I? Don't buy anything online. I love requisite online. Yeah I forgot I really try to buy brick and mortar really. Our communities. Yeah, well. I enjoy it. and touching things in talking to the person that owns the store. Hey, wait a minute I. Didn't ask you about your personal. A little more catastrophic. I feel like I feel like. Talking sweaters. I feel like especially online marketplace is like really eroding. MIDDLE CLASS OF AMERICAN, I. Agree with is just terrible. Yeah, I so agree with that I try to buy local. Try to brick and mortar. Try to buy local love. It love it. Okay so I can I. Can ask you Dream Collaboration Zander, but you've already had quite a few amazing. Collaborations either one of you if a baron if you were a career musician, all of a sudden, who would you want to collaborate with? I mean you get a chance to do a song with somebody? Who would it be well I mean I know for sure I. Want John. Paul Jones in that band. Nice, yeah, one hundred percent. Listeners who don't jam. Paul Jones's bassist arranger every led Zeppelin like non drum non guitar non vocal every instrument. You ever heard John Paul. Jones was the one play he was crushing keys. The whatever whenever? He's the guy plan. I love so yeah, definitely him. I'm a big Stevie Ray. Vaughan Fan I just I think. The stuff that he did was just. I think we really law something we lost. I think signing is best. Common. We went down. A wormhole wants me and my wife She's a big John Mayer Fan. Yeah I'm. Really not paying much attention, she's like no, no, no, you gotta give them. And then that led us to. See. All right well listen. You want to take issue. So we were both mesmerized. Good I'm glad I'm glad you brought that to the table when she. Then I think I'm a drums guy right? So you giving me three collaborations now because your third one? I'm not I'm just. Putting the band. I'm totally messing it. Dave. Dave. I loved Asia's. Nice Guy, he has an yeah. He just seems like a nice and. Also! Had this like I mean I'm popular opinion being a really think the foo fighters, the last great rock band. Why is that on popular? I think you're right. I. Think that's an accurate statement. Is that but I mean that's a very accurate. Any is good as he is as a frontman. Nicholas live several times and everybody's heard the story played with a broken foot crashes, but when you watch him, play the drums. It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, Sure Holy, cow. So strong voice to. Right Frontman, great songwriter tone, and everything is just amazing all right, so if you were a musician baron, what instrument would you play the drums? The drudge dot I flunked tinkered around. I'm not like. Hey, it's never too late. Man You can, and music is therapeutic, says what it is for drum set. Your kids are going to destroy it and have fun will tell you up all night, and this is crazy therapy i. put on my headphones. Go into. Go rent a studio already. Have the drum kit or you got to do is bring this for you. And I. Just good for you know nine. Don't care what you think. I don't care what they heard. That's good. How often do you do that? Probably not as much as I used to. You should do that. That's a major and Zander. If you weren't a career musician, what would you be? I would be sitting on the beach. But if you had to work. This out. Okay, this is already happening. So this is my dream job. I can't wait. It's changed a little bit now. They got the family I could probably get them on board with this all WanNa. Do is by about I think I need six feet. I might need eight feet wide. Space on Venice Boardwalk K.. All I need. Is that in? An ice machine like shave ice. and. Just. Get A boombox I'm just gonNA put on Bob. Marley and I'm just going to make snow cones all day long. I love and make. What is it? A thousand percent profit on every snow cone and I'm just GONNA set their shorts sandals chillan. GEANT. Come pay above we bullshit. Right now. These are the questions that come up so like. Wow. I thought I asked Raspberry. This is raspberry raspberries. Blue Yeah I did you know that? Isn't it weird? That raspberries actually blue? I did not know that that'll be fifty cents. All, right I gotta ask you both this, but I have to limit you. You cannot give me a dissertation on this question, right? I gotta go I, gotTa. Go pick up here. We got I. Don't want to go to the mall. Okay? Okay, the last song or band that you listen to that just like get you going. Most recent artists bands song that you've listened to you like. Oh man I love this band. This person this recent thing some something that's floating your boat how? Well I can't give it a like. Oh my God. You guys got to hear these guys like it's transformative for you. Let me say that you're not working with as a musician that you're not working with so if it was Stevie Ray Vaughan. Then, that would be a solid answer. Right? Sure we'll listen the last deep dive I got into. Honestly was John Mayer. Because I had closed I shut down to love. John's does. A lot in yeah, unfortunately I don't WanNa. Be aged doubt but I'm like out there doing this other. A musician, so you recognize all of the intricacies and tools. They're using like. Oh, yeah, I can. I can reverse engineer that like right now. And I I found that I had underestimated the he's he's. Very talented, he just went and Song months ago and. As far as singing and playing at the same time in jumping around ten, you know what? He's actually now as a frontman. Yeah, he's he's authentic. He's he's a nice guy up there I know I get it. I used to be whatever. Let's play some music. Savak types so really really enjoy getting turned on his stuff. That's good. heard a song for the first time last night. Just 'cause I was listening to the satellite radio and they said remember that one song they were talking about husbands and wives that stay together in the music business, which is rare. And then the detail was what about that? Ban The we? Never heard of them. Know Anyway Timeout and. As I was in the car I at the Stop. Light, I typed in the we. I heard the song. It's just a it's just a a guy and a girl singing harmonies and I was lying. Some is two minute song and I was like. Okay that's pretty great I love that you know. Perfect. So I'll I'll give you a give you two Recent artist and mine isn't necessarily as much musician musical kind of thing. I really DIG Lizzo. Lizzo all my wife loves Lizzo here's. Here's why dig Lizzo. She. She is who she is. She unapologetic rights. She does not, but yeah, if you look at her, you go. You are not a star right. Yeah Society Today Society's Culture has done that. Yes, that's what I'm talking about, says you're not a star and she says Oh yeah I am and here's how and by the way I'm not gonNA Apologize. I'm not gonNA wear. Be Closed. I know what my body is i. don't care what you think I'm going to be me and Amadu a flute Solo Man I'm. Not only am I doing this. I'm also like crazy Florida's. We'll tell you the last like real serious deep dive I. Did I watched I watched a thing on the allman brothers. And when I've always I mean I'm from the Midwest, so like the allman brothers are like heavy rotation even to this day like. Go to the mid. West, YOU'RE GONNA. Hear you know. Sooner eleven coming right here, but I really went down the Wormhole, and really got into like Gregg, allman and Because the way that went down Greg almonds like immortalized, but I mean Dwayne. ALLMAN got a crazy store sure and Blues background musician like he a lot of people. They said that they called him like the greatest White Blues vocalist ever. And when you listen to him, you like aw! And that bans got a crazy story. What happened to the ALLMAN brothers after? dwayne dies from Reverend right die. Sorry is just unreal. Amazing documentaries on Amazon primed both woolworth. Great Love IT, yeah! Gentlemen this has been an awesome works got back and we're going to drill you about these coast. We want to find out the truth we'd we know it's more than just pizza. Bruce and Jon Bon Jovi. Mail you summed it up pretty well, then, of course you've got Goumba I'm have Goumba. Versus. Go W. B. in New Jersey. Forget don't forget though he's also long island. Long Island. When people say Elton or billy I say don't ever talk. You have to ask you know so my girlfriend redoing. We're on the way out, but it will tell you this I. I love to annoy my girlfriend. WHO's also from Long Island and so I refer I refer to. I refer to Billy Joel as the American Elton John She saw. I like them both. They're both amazing songwriters and performers, but you know of course my affinity for for billy. Anyway I'm a fan story. Zander, Smith, thank you for driving over the hill to get over here from the west side. No, thank you. Thank me for driving back over the hill. Cow. Well, thank you for both here and back. Thank you bearing graph for orchestrating this. Even though you're not technically music, you still are orchestrating your ass. I love it. Thank you so much for connecting the DOTS Davison. Saying so, you are no and I. Really do believe that whole schtick about sales. This is the career musician podcast with your host, no Matt. 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In Search of Perfection/ Zander

Recovery Happy Hour

46:56 min | 1 year ago

In Search of Perfection/ Zander

"Grab a seat recovery happy hour season for starts now hi guys as welcome to recovery happy hour where we talk about life beyond the bottle and what happens after we quit drinking. I'm your host Tricia and I currently have a back injury. That has me walking like I'm smuggling drugs inside a very uncomfortable place in my body. Thank you for joining me. Today's introduction is partly food for thought and partly me he just getting some stuff off my chest. First of all I wanNA thank you for listening to this. PODCAST has grown to something way bigger than it was. When I first started hearted fifteen months ago so specifically in the last few months it's blown up to a much larger audience than I ever imagined would listen? I remember when I I started getting reviews and most of them were great and we all love reading nice things about ourselves right. That feels good so when I get a bad review it never never feels good but it's part of share yourself with an audience and when the audience gets larger you'll get more bad reviews so ninety eight reviews out of one hundred or great in two of them are bad. It's just human nature to focus on that tiny percentage of negativity. We all do it. I remember getting an email when I first started from someone who told me that she liked the podcast but that the sound quality needed improvement and she was withholding her five star rating until I fix that to be honest I kind of rolled my ice ice in if that's you and you're listening I'm sorry but I rolled my eyes at you because I was and still am doing the very best I know how to do with the audio and I can't do do more than I already am to get your five star review then I read another of you from someone who said that the content is great but the audio on the interviewee side is often terrible totally out of my control that if that's you and you're listening first of all thank you for even taking the time to leave your review but but that search for perfect audio means you might be missing the point of this podcast first and foremost I need you to know that I produce produce this podcast myself alone. I don't record interviews and hand them off to someone else to edit and publish them. I do it all myself. I schedule the interviews. I record them on skype in my bedroom. Not a recording studio recording our interview on skype means that sometimes one of us has a less than ideal Internet connection sometimes sometimes the weather gets in the way of that and sometimes he'll even here thunderstorm in the background. After we talk I spend about two hours editing the interview into a forty five minute chunk on garage band which is free software on my Mac. I edit the conversation so it's more cohesive and I cut out any awkward silences or extra uh-huh ars and clicking sounds and I'm not an audio engineer. I taught myself how to do all of this. I did myself I used a combination of youtube tutorials goals and flying by the seat of my pants. The interviewees are also just like me okay their normal people interviewing in their homes or offices using their phone in or headphones on their laptop and both of us are doing this for free and we're taking the time out of our days and our jobs to share stories of hope with someone who needs is to hear it so in that entire process. There's a lot of variables that make this podcast less than perfect. Today's episode for instance involves audio that that is not awesome in fact coming up in the next month. You'll hear an interviewee. Who's a single dad with a two year old? So of course you're going to hear his daughter in the background because that's what being a single dad involves on another episode coming up with my favorite Broadway singer you'll hear her walking around New York City and then eating breakfast vest and that's because she's a Tony Award winning superstar who again took the time out of her busy day to share her story with you so please understand stand that in spite of what little imperfections may annoy you at their core. They're not important details again. Today's episode is one of those those were. The audio isn't awesome but ZANDER's story is a great one and we talked about things that haven't been mentioned on any episodes yet acupuncture acupressure her she gone touchy. These are things that will speak to someone who needs to hear it. Someone who's been fighting with sobriety and who maybe doesn't want to go the traditional twelve step route and might need to hear that these options are available to them. This could be the episode that changes someone's life and I say that very boldly because I get emails and messages all the time daily telling me that listening to this podcast is changing lives anytime we deter someone from trying some various kind of recovery for their drinking. We potentially ruin an opportunity for instance. You've I heard podcast guest talk about whether or not a has worked for them and that's not the content I'm talking about when someone is sharing their experience of what they've tried. I'm talking about when I see people relentlessly posting articles in a sober accountability group about a being destructive source of help or that it should be avoided altogether altogether. I cringe when I see this because even though it's not everyone's cup of tea. It's someone's Cup of tea who needs to know about it telling someone they should avoid an opportunity to get help is way more destructive than an imperfect program. 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Also I getting really close to ten thousand followers on instagram which is super cool so I'm decided to celebrate by releasing two extra podcast episodes the week. I crossed that mark so you can binge some extra content. You should should see those pop up within a couple of weeks so make sure you're subscribed all right. Let's get to Zander Hi Sandra. How are you? I'm awesome good making the a day as good as I possibly can and looking forward to being even better as part of the incident I love it. I'll take it for sure zander what what is your sobriety date and which you describe yourself as a high or a low functioning drinker my sobriety date June tenth nineteen eighty-four so so I'm thirty five years and two months and almost twenty five days the his county right right exactly thousand eight hundred forty thirty seven or something like that it's it's one thing to to unite at least have established that we're both all about how the have the fun yes yeah. I think anybody anybody then met me. That's a priority so the opposite of that was how I was. When I get my bottom I was living? I lived on the street side slept in gutters and sewers and I was trying to commit suicide side with the overt direct quick act of it I hated myself and drinking drinking gave me the short term gain of a feeling of pleasure of relief from the constant awareness of how life sucked God just numbs everything and then it comes right back to you like a sledgehammer boomerang. That's a that's a visceral description for sure. We'll we'll get into that here. In a minute in the meantime till tells a little bit more about yourself where we live how old you are what you do for a living likes to do for fun any good stuff like that so I lived in currently live in Ajax Ontario that may change change very soon. I'm looking for a new place to live. I'm sixty two years all young and I had worked as a family addictions therapist and addictions coach so I work with individuals her seeking to improve their experience of recovery as well as the family members who are distressed as a result of their loved ones using the other the other alcoholism alcoholism and addiction kind of interchangeably because alcoholism is is a form of addiction. What did I do for fun walks? I swim in Lake Ontario almost every day which because they come tears deeply kids. It's a it's a Cold Lake and so that brings me into the immediacy of this moment undeniably not thinking about five hours before ignorant Nana daily practice of serenity skills and they serenity skills are all about how do I have fun so at any given moment I can stand up and reach into my drawer and pull out my juggling balls and I can juggle for five minutes and that's a fun of media plan so I ended up performing eleven hundred shows that exploit sits Vancouver cheese first professional national juggler on the show guys e her first but I became a fire so I fire eater on the show too so this this is this is a this is a really important episode right now. Let's talk about before you got to eating fire juggling and Let's step back back in time for a second and talk about your story and and how you got to Sobriety Union in five or ten minutes or less tell us how long you drink how long it was a problem and why you decided to stop alcoholism sugar and I was a sugar addict from the GECKO. I was was adopted and in five foster homes before I was two and I was you know said by name other than kindly I would run and hide in the corner like put my face in the clinic is that was what I was taught to do. So I was already kinda messed up near when I started and I lost all night teeth by the time I was nineteen complete replaced because of my essentially addiction into sugar I I got drunk learners twelve and from there on it was like how can I make myself feel better and if the always eclipsed anything else on I I was a liar achieve message and an I a new that I was yet I felt helpless and powerless to change it. I went to church and I got confirmed in church and then promptly went went back to to all the crap and so my faith in church diminished because that wasn't working it it didn't fix and then I was sexually assaulted by the church. One of the people who wasn't positional authority this new and that's a fairly common experience among people who are again our friends news rb guesstimates under the eighty percent up to eighty percent of people who are in recovery rooms. I have had some history of trauma sexual inappropriateness result. I had a girlfriend that I got engaged with. then I I gave into some of the disease seasoned torpedoed that relationship which created more pain went home and cried uncontrollably thinks hours until I went to sleep and then I heard that you could live for four dollars a day in Guatemala so I sold everything and lifting lifting Guatemala Damola where I promptly you know did more of the same kind of thing I found people who also were doing the same kind we don't excesses and got myself arrested by police by police and spent two and a half months in jail and then I lived on the beach for another couple of months and then I escaped the country because rearrested anytime so I swam into Mexico from Guatemala what across the country was not papers no documentation and landed in the United States and became it came on a voluntary beggar and so I had taken about poverty in the sense of to live without money because I had seen when I when I sought after money I was willing to do anything you wanted to do. The line which soon and I didn't WanNa do that from there I looked on I lived on the streets in and I asked her place to Oh to live and so I- landed in a commune in New Mexico and I built a ten weeks I built don't be house in this whole time you had you were voluntarily homeless as a means to as a means to what trying to learn how to person instead of a low bottom but were you still drinking during all this a commune was drinking I we made we made our homebrew. We you know the the the whole thing was centered on. Let's get high interesting and it's like the unit has been jarreds away who houses his family they did and it was like daily Blotto blotto and so what happened is you got closer to nineteen eighty three and and that sort of reaching the end what was was there a game changing moments ought all that I met in a parking tickets using stuff with decided to take me home and his wife and children and so two three hours hitting me bro cheekbones in my temples of getting multiple concussions we when I turned his back door on I spent a week in hospital in salt about and then decided after recovered from that that snitty maybe staying. US wasn't such a good idea for me. So I got up in coober continued the trip there. I went on welfare in Vancouver in that the promotion the government was willing to invest in stable place lieutenant and became trends with people and and got a tiny you better self respect back but I still using and still getting getting high in drunk everyday and and so somebody twelve sent news I'm walking downtown town gas him and said you know I tried to bum a cigarette from them and they said well you know cigarette. If you come to a meeting and so for about a year and a half I tried to get clean but I could and then one day I was walking down the street and I saw the firemen cutting guy out of the hung himself binds Ben Sheets out of the third story window of the apartment of the the hotel using and and I saw the dot can be me and so I started to go to twelve step meetings on daily basis and I and I was good for about a week and a half my first clean date was June first and then I went and spent a weekend at a using buddy's house and what what do you know of course they can use them so so June tenth was much her steak and I the been in recovering been sober since then in a sense that the way that we say sounds like it's an absolute thing the the day that I stopped using is the day got so uh-huh That's the ice tended Willard web getting sober might entail and the gymnastics and the Pretzel Turns and the Gumby `ISMs Eh engaged in the dysfunctional learning habits the building on arguments in and alien nation than isolation unacceptability blaming shaming jolting center all of that Gordian Knot of dysfunction attention. Well you sing is this is in the early eighties I mean. Aa was really the only option right narcotics above us in Vancouver was growing because might you needed to publish the basic texts of more products anonymous set of months queen mm or six almost six months lean and found my way into rooms narcotics how how long did twelve step stay part sort of your daily routine to stay sober and recover in his out something. That's I mean sixty five days. Hey I was gonna say as that transitioned over the last thirty four years ago there have been times where I've experimented with not going the meetings and they don't wind well. You know I mean like no I haven't gone back into the actual actual results of relapse relapse because I think of relapse being everything that leads up to actual news actual drinking and drinking is drinking and and using his using any relapses all of the justifications and the exceptions and the the penny pot or mean bullshit that we can give into that makes news it makes drinking walk like some kind of good option human. Only we ever kicked it moved you to Guatemala you know making it so that I would put myself in a situation or somebody else yeah yeah. It's it's it's absolute insanity. At what point were you in your sobriety. Where you starting to get down to the root of the issue you talking about you know avoiding feelings like in the first year off that I I I didn't have a problem with substance anymore? The thing that drove into the substance was about fumes and so I started looking for people who were healthy emotionally finally healthy life was working and a lot of people who appeared emotionally healthy once I got below the you know the outer shell they had all the same problems just weren't using level were park benches. When I WANNA get to you said a very interesting sentence when we I emailed and that was how you learned how to use your emotions as allies talk talk to me a little a bit about what that means and when that evolution started to happen I was afraid of my emotions intimidating five hundred they were uncomfortable? Do anything that rid of the uncomfortable emotion that Northington all kinds of stuff that we've already covered and so I got it that it seemed like nobody that I encountered didn't have any feelings except for people who reacts trying to kill themselves so feelings are a constant physiological feelings like the nerve endings of hot and cold pressing things that we also have the occasional personal aspect of that and I started the hunt for how could I do better without is there a system I was I was ten or twelve years clean in and I got to the place where I realized that I don't have a choice of whether I surrender surrendered. I only have a choice of what I surrender to surrender to misery and depression in isolation all those usual suspects or I can surrender to joy and serenity and peace and harmony and collaboration and neutrality in creativity and generosity. I just need to learn how and so I I went to meditation circles. I went I went to bodywork went to a I started becoming an addiction counselor in nineteen ninety six years I I walked into the local alcohol and drug office to volunteer. They interviewed Manson Manson volunteer but we'd like to hired a train you and so that's what I started to do and then I became first nations up here in Canada we have first nations reserves which you kind of like what do your Indian reservations states and so I became the addictions counseling for a first nation and worked there for near and a half and then I've worked for the John Howard Society which works with people who've been mandated to buy the courts arts and I've worked enough field for a number of years before I started to discover a system the structure of emotions which happened in nineteen ninety nine when I started to study Oriental Medicine I studied acupressure which is like acupuncture at that. There's no needles you're using your fingers until I became a student and then a practitioner and teacher acupressure and nightline that there's an actual physiological correspondence between all of our emotional reality now and are so we know alcohol is metabolized by the liver and and and one of those common fingerprint handprint signature forms of that we know for alcoholics anger and frustration and sew anger and frustration happen to be in body and fear. The're happens to be embodied in the KITTENS. What do people do when they're just mortally afraid NAPI themselves? Okay Gracia loss is is in the lungs and what people do when they're when they're they're fully ARISTA. Cry Anxiety Insecurity are in the spleen which which is our earth elements and it's like the earth underneath. You isn't Solomon feel insecure at chaos and disorder is in the heart and if you're if you're Kale headache your is upset. You're lost your connection connection with wholeness. There's that negative aspect and there's also the positive allergies generosity and kindness or in the lunar well I I mean I hate to jump ahead. I mean but like how do we what tools can people used to make that transfer transferred to the counterbalance found that so many people get got lost fell apart because light continued to be a problem for them even and after they got two three four five seven ten years under their belt in recovery but lifestyle sucks. I have an eight week course that I teach that's todd online videos audios tedious at that tunnel and included as part of that is weekly coaching that our group coaching calls or individual coaching the most people don't want to be and in eight weight as you get foundations of how apply of how learners the structured system so we all kinds of great systems you can go on global anytime day. Hey fine how to build your next station ascension but nowhere else have I ever seen UH UH system for how to understand and work with your emotions to turn them into allies instead of being in most of the sincere yeah and I think that there's a a lot of people even with some significant sobriety under their belt that still see their emotions as their enemies because they're they're still afraid of them because they don't know what to to do with them and accept overpower them and I mean if their core our feelings are survival mechanisms we have to we have to feel fear in order to survive. You know that teaches us something. you know a sadness teaches they're all feelings are teachers even though they're thera uncomfortable but we have to make friends with them so that we can work together with them and not constantly fight them in so many people don't have a way of interpreting the ceilings that that actually helps them. You know like people will say control your emotions control yourself. Don't be so sensitive. Don't be so emotional that makes emotions negative in our enemies at what the will usually do and we try and control something wavering presses OSU's and it comes out sideways it comes out ten times worse at the most inopportune moment I was really good at. I I would say the wrong thing so exactly the wrong person to say the wrong thing that it's actually the worst takes petition so it's not a a it's not a you know. Snap your fingers. Once in it's done come into recovery and sobriety. You're automatically sober in that trump says learning but once you learn the stuff it's a skill that you have to the rest of your life battle yourself but other people to well. Let's let's talk about cheat on a little I bet and explain explain to the listeners what it is and then how you're using that and helping other people learn it in how it's helping them. Mm Okay you ever been told to just relax yeah like seventeen times a day by everybody that I come into contact with after I give them the Middle Finger I go into they gotTA physically released through my middle finger and then yeah and then yeah I usually do like some sort of guided meditation or or like you know four of them in a row now yes. I have been told that so most of us don't know how to relax so Chico is kind of the skill of letting go of the issues that you put into your tissues letting go of the issues that you put into your tissues in the form of muscular tension attention okay. I'm very familiar with this and muscular tension equals emotional tension. Yes yes when you want to tell your boss or somebody to what to do with their life that tends to alienate them rather significantly and they want to give view the one wouldn't it be great if you could actually transform of knowing how to transform with relative knees Susan Skill so that their creed able to create out of she on those people have seen some form of Tai Chi. They've may not know very much about it but they've seen people doing the slow arm movements and the stances postures and as as you do that kind of stuff slowly new are also doing deep breathing. Tai Chi is a choreography of chagall movements so I I got my master's degree in medical Servic all of this stuff that applies to being able to relieve Physical Paying Ping this function also applies to emotional pain this function we put those those tensions into your bun and you'd get uptight and you get fragile and you get explosive and by learning the simple concepts in their applications you can do physical movements that help you really saloons and means and bring free flow and beauty more into your life so you can let go that conversation that you had some man told the Lecco but how do I let go of it is something about how and holding onto how well that's what that's what I teach with Chey Gong and so it's it's more than I can go into all kinds of details I can. I can talk about this a lot because I teach up to the master level of she going which is two thousand dollars experience. Is You said she gong is like the less choreographed Taichi. It's I talked about Accordia Choreography Taichi. It's a collection of specific chico movements and touchy is a martial art but it's also a health has low impact and a water people as they get older tend to have jointed sheaves knee issues is back issues neck issues all that kind of stuff and so ty has got this substantial reputation of being able to help people age more gracefully graceful doesn't require that you become a yoga in the trestle your it's all reach evil. It's easy easy on the joints. It's not that complicated but those tacoma while to learn how to refine your awareness. Is it sort of like a like a moving ming meditation other Mogayon's of very common way in which people discarded cancel people. Are you know in the eleven secular sought through prayer tation a lot of people. Go like okay so I'm sitting here with my eyes loans. What the s like what's next like what am I supposed to be looking for? We assume that we should know how to do something that we've never done. It's an adult arrogance and when we're not able to be successful we say you know. I tried that meditation nations something that doesn't work for me. I'm uniquely unqualified to do. Did you take any guidance right. Les No well Yeah Yeah Turns out. You're not the exception. You're still the rule so so so you know it's not it's not religious juice as in you don't have to if you are if you have a rootless tradition that you follow this does not conflict anywh we're talk to me a little bit about about acupuncture and how how that is specifically helping relief from addiction most people halt had okay so if anybody's heard about any kind of acupuncture while doing any kind of recovery they probably heard about the Nadda Protocol North American a regular details so that that's placing needles in the oracle which is the year in in order to promote a state of deep relaxation so when the needle goes into the year which is a very dense densely configured with nerves it hearts. That's an immediate hang which excites the fight flight freeze sympathetic nervous system response out and it sets up on alarm response but then because those points points are known to have certain effects they as the person since with those needles in there for twenty minutes thirty minutes forty minutes forty five fifty an hour longer in this case. It's usually better you have that same on knowledge and experience with all of the other parts of your body to take you from this fight flight freeze this winter dominant irritation frustration resentment Edmund creating mechanism and you promote a deep state of relaxation where you can actually feel good without without trucks without all of those other dysfunctional things in when do body acupuncture does not ask you can accomplish the same thing acupressure and with so if somebody was just hardcore averse to needles which you you would recommend that acupressure and she gone could give them the same benefit much the same benefit as it relates leads to recovery from addiction got it got it. Thank you thank you context is important acupressure from someone who happens instant local but she gone. I have clients that taught this in very successfully to who were in British Columbia who are in California who are in in Minnesota in Peru all like not local either had never seen in person or I've seen like once or twice in person but they do this stuff over zoom which is and like an impromptu version of skype and I have videos that I have in my private course interview that they have twenty four seven three sixty five live lifetime that says I love that if People WanNa know more. Where can you go to find you? Addiction recovery coach got it guys all have links to that in the show notes. If you go to recovery happy hour dot com and Click on this episode you can see those links right there and click directly to Zander and find out more about him his practice in his course and senator last question is if somebody wants to stop drinking and they don't know where to start what would you tell them where we'd have more resources than ever before available to help help people who are wanting to achieve sobriety and who are wanting to come on the pain of dot life there there are all kinds of agencies that are being the recovery centers. There's detox centres depends in in some to some degree how how frequent you're putting poisons into your body. You know somebody who is the heavy user like I was might be well served by going to talk just like nobody knows how to relax automatically. You need instruction. You're better but you don't need. It hadn't forbid that I should know that they need any Tinian is listen. If you WANNA learn how to drive. If you WANNA drive a semi trailer alert then you'll do better if you don't just try and figure it out yourself. It's at some instruction about what works data talk about how not to run over your child's or you know your your your new car. was you're learning to back the thing yeah yeah. That's the thing it's quitting. Drinking is not a skill that we are inherently foreign with it has to be learned but luckily there are lot the teachers out there and a lot of people who have learned that are excited to share how they did it. So just you know asking for help. You know that's one good thing about this. It's like I I saw that video that explained that there are three types of problems. They're simple problems. You don't have your thirsty so you go to GONNA drink French. That's a simple problem. You saw there are complicated problems. How do I get a man on the moon? It's new break it down into its component parts very similar to a simple and then you do those comports and then there's complex problems getting leading sobriety is a complex problem. There's so many factors that are neutrally influential learning how to tell the difference between people who are toxic for you and people who are helpful for Oy learning how to create personal safety learning how to converse with people that you don't fall into had conversations with people say don't Ascoli confrontation and anger sentiment in isolation getting a sense of how big a problem in how complex accomplice is is important to achieving success and keep in mind that success is measured would spoil stokes of progress absolutely absolutely I have seen a lot of people with a large a number of years of sobriety under their belt and that is the only thing that they have to measure their success. I have seen people with not a whole lot of sobriety under their about but a very joyful life that they love to participate in and shoved their success in those two things are very very different but often used interchangeably Louis and I think we can kind of I think we can see the difference their earlier about how if you like is is my my work relevant for people pat long term recovering and I mean I had a woman come to me who had thirty years of recovery and yet she was still depressed. and was on considering suicide said that she would do it but that you know the idea of our daily options presented itself to you know she had a long-term textbook circus active recovery she had long term misery and depression within within selfish within a year of practicing this touch their testimonials on the course of description description page of were saying that she's sometimes happy for no reason that's called joy. That's situational. That's external. How do I learn to do that to libra? It's like if you can learn to do that. Deliberately then you'll make your success in dealing with life on life's terms challenges that we all face tool so much easier and that's a great way to that's a great way to wrap this up. That's a great moment to end on zander. I wanted to just thank you for taking the time to sit with me. You have such an extended sense should extensive knowledge of somebody different ways to add to your recovery with the Chinese medicine with this you know intellectual conversation like not just to learn how Congress thank you get it. Eventually learn more you yeah but the acupressure acupuncture She Gong Tai Chi I mean you have really found a lot of tried and true measures and really excited to check out your website and see a little more about that spangles so guys go click on that Lincoln the show notes if you'd like to learn more about Zander and thank you so much for taking the time to be here with me. Today I really appreciate it bye. Guede pleasure to be here with Tricia Russia and the great privilege because this is my heart sons as the my mission in life is to help people come out of the misery of addiction was revoked homes in las fires tonight. They say mission accomplished that's offered today. Everyone thank you so much for having happy hour with me. If you'd like to check out any of the links mentioned in the episode go to Recovery Happy Hour our dot Com and click on the show notes of this episode. That's also where you can donate or register for the Dallas retreat in January and if you're listening on itunes please take a moment to rate and leave a review of the podcast that it really helps. Get the word out about the show. I'll see you next week when we dive further into life beyond the bottle and it's a life worth living Cenex time recovery happy hour is not affiliated with any twelve step programs treatment centers organizations but you've heard our interviewees talk about specifics six

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Episode 438 | Casual Conversations with Rob & Mike

Startups For the Rest of Us

38:45 min | 1 year ago

Episode 438 | Casual Conversations with Rob & Mike

"In this episode of starts to restless, Robin org me having a casual conversation about what's going on. This is starting to recipes episode four hundred thirty eight. Welcome starts. The rest of this podcast helps developers designers entrepreneurs the awesome that building launched and growing software products for the built your first product. You're just thinking about it. I'm Mike, and I'm rob. And we're here to share experiences. Tell people with the same states we've paid what's going on this week. Rob. I just felt like we haven't done kind of casual episode and awhile where you and I talk about things that are going on. We get stuck in this in this odd place where we we might have a lot going on. But it's not necessarily stuff. You can talk about or feel comfortable broadcasting to tens of thousands of people. So I feel great a good place were obviously prerecording this episode because it's going to go live after microsof- I think the week after and we'll be recording the week before just because so much going on that that whole week since we do growth in starter. Now. I mean the week is just torched for me like when do you fly out Wendy fly back I fly out on Friday? So I get in at like, eight o'clock or so on Friday night. And then I don't leave until the following Friday. I flights at like twelve or one or something like that. Yeah. So it's a full on week for you mine is I go Saturday to Friday. So it's only six days, but still a six days seven days in Vegas. Too long be pretty much the whole. Time. I don't know about you. But all I'm thinking about is what am I forgetting what am I missing this year? Oh, yeah. We need that opening slide show for the first ten minutes of each conference. I need to update that I need to you know, there's all these little things and stuff just really ramps up Sunday. So is that how you do you honest question. Do you sleep very well at at Microsoft typically, I haven't slept well in like four or five year really fair question wrong person as I tend to sleep. Well, I don't I don't have many see problems in general from grinding my teeth, which is irritating. Heck for Sherry. But but yeah, microcosm, always struggle. And I think it's just how much I have in my going on in my mind. You know, that that I wake up at five, and I'm like gotta make sure to do that one thing to tell that to that one person who needs to be at that one place at that. You know, there's a lot of details. And even with mean has changed the game for us. Absolutely. Right. Sure. But even then I'm still thinking about stuff and frequently. What happens is I think of it like, oh, yeah. We need to do that one thing that I wake up in the morning and text you Zander zander's like yard to care that week ago. That's actually the most often thing, but it still wakes me up in the middle of the night. You know, when I am in Vegas for Microsoft. I tend to actually sleep better. I think that when I'm there, then when I'm at home, but that's also I think partially a result of me remembering to bring asleep mask because otherwise the hotel the blinds of the hotel rooms are absolutely around us like flip some shot, but any hotel I've ever been in there. Never very good. So you have to have something else. And it just feels like it gets so light so early, and it's just, you know screws because I'm tend to be up late. And then the light comes in and wakes me up in the morning. And but yeah, that's that's the biggest problem. I think I have. But he I agree with you. I like having all those little things that are hanging out that you just kind of they come up, and you remember the all like we have to do this or have to go back and tweak that from last year slides or whatever that obviously comes up just constantly. But I I carry around a notebooks like it all times just so that I can make sure to write things down as they're happening or keep track of what has to go on with different sponsors or different times of the each conference. There's lots of little things keep track of and trying to keep my brain. It's just not gonna happen. Yeah. That's a good point too. Because in my day-to-day workflow use Email a ton use, trello. I use I just have a system that all goes out the window when I'm at Microsoft because I'm not checking Email fair much at all. And I'm not looking at my trello boards. So I can't just do my typical you have Email to trello. Basically, we're all if if you and I are talking in day to day or whatever at dinner party and someone mentions a book, I should read or a something should check out a website should contact whatever. I pop g mail Email, my my own trello board, and it goes to the top of it. And then next time I sit down I computer, I put into the right queue, you know, it's a Amazon wishlist or an audible wishlist or I fire off an Email, or whatever I don't do that Microsoft because I've. Just not check my Trelleborg at also that pen and paper approach. You're talking about is what I it's other that or simple note because I've simple on my phone, and I just open up like Microsoft, only to do that. I have to keep referring back to because it just find that my systems don't work when when we're just running one hundred ten percent for five days straight. I agree. Like, that's that's why kinda switch over to the pen and paper. And one of the things that tends to drop down on my list is the Email and text notification text notifications or different than like slack. Notifications. Like slack completely. I totally don't pay attention to it. And like, you're right, though, is like being an indifferent environment. Like that where you're not. You're stop. You. Don't have all the tools available to you. Because you've just got so many other things going on. And you're not really able to get into any sort of deep work because you don't have your desktop laptop or whatever. So it's just a very different operating environment. Do you still use a desktop, Mike? I do are you going to bring that with you to Microsoft. No, I'm not. Their foot, the thirty inch monitor would probably be hard to get through for the love of God, man. Why do you use a desktop at home and not a laptop? I've yet to find an actual laptop that I'd like in like enough to take with me that's part of it. I think but like I built my desktop from hand because like I've always kind of built my own computers. Even back like when I was in college. And I just I don't know. I like the hardware that went with it. But the same time like because I built us five or six years ago actually knows more than that. Because I just recently reformatted everything, but I didn't replace any hardware. So I'm trying to remember I think it was I think software that was installed like two thousand ten or two thousand eleven so it's like the har- most of the hardware is that old. But it's still like an x core machine. It was top line. I core I seven at the time. I've got sixty four gigs Ramat and SST drives like the thing is still eve Beasley machine all things considered. Given that it's ten years old or nine years old. I guess that's a trip. I guess my question is it's going to it's going to die. Eventually, right. It'll either fail or it'll just be too slow to run run stuff when that happens are you going to buy or build another desktop or you just gonna pony up for top of the line because you were in windows. Right. So it's top line Dell or HP or whoever's making the Lenovo these days we'll for while. I've been using a MAC book pro and just ran VM ware on top of it will booting VM-ware. So you're gonna need by Haiyan MAC book. I don't think. So like, I have not heard anybody have cravings to say about like the newer Macs like everybody, I see talking about them kinda hates them. They're like, oh, I wish I could go back to the twenty thirteen model which funny enough. I actually have twenty thirteen book pro. Yeah. So I use that when I travel, but you know, I go back and forth on this like the I think the biggest thing for me is in order to be productive. I feel like I have to have more. Screen real estate available to me. And like I run three monitors at all times one of three. And I got a pair of twenty inch monitors and like that really works. Well for me, but go into a laptop kinda sucks, and I've looked at like the surface books. You can do that. Because I run three Manuel. I run two monitors to twenty four inch or whatever off of my laptop. So I'm last top is one monitor and it's retinas, so it's amazing. And then I have the to twenty four so I actually have three how is that different than what you're doing? It's not accepted on like, the one laptop that I was looking at was the Microsoft surface book, and it doesn't have the ability to do three monitors like sixty Hertz because of the bandwidth limitations or something like that for four k monitors. And I'm just like as they're so close. They really really are. Maybe that's the limitation. See? I I wonder if there isn't a laptop out there. You don't need to drive three monitors. Right. You just need to cause the laptop itself if tyrez you can use that in the Senate, right? So I have an. Elevated elevated thing right. So my neck is my laptops, up at head level I level, and then I have a remote, you know, bluetooth keyboard? And mouse that I set on my lap, basically on a panel and that's center monitor and then I have to on the other side. So I just need to drive to can you find a with that situation work for you? And be can you find a windows laptop that contrive to four K monitors? So I haven't tried that doing that yet would work for me or could I make it work for me? I probably could. But your comment about like, oh, will you know, eventually that might machine is not going to be able to do it like for the like my machines lasted long enough like since that time like processors haven't gone to like six or seven gigahertz. So I don't think it's an issue of that so much as just being able to have the laptop itself. I don't have a justifiable reason to just go dropped like three or four thousand dollars on a new laptop new, I agree. And I don't think you should do that. Now, I was just wondering when your desktop fails. Because it will something's going to happen, right or. Or it's gonna it's gonna get to slow in the next five years. It's not gonna last fifteen years. You know, that I was just wondering what you were going to do at that point. But maybe maybe you'll you'll evaluate when you get there. I guess the thing of just working on a laptop all the time dude is then when you're traveling. You're not in this weird environment where you don't have your stuff. And it's not the way it you. I mean, I I have a thirteen inch macbook pro. And it is the new one with touch bar? I don't love the, touch, but I've gotten used to it. But when I'm at home, I have extra scrutiny state. It's amazing when I'm on the road. I don't, but I have the, you know, you can flip back and forth between the windows, and I have the exact same shortcuts icons everywhere, the same files, it's everything it's the same hard-drive. And so to me traveling isn't this big issue because I'm not I hate computers. I guess is. What is what I'm saying? And I feel like that's why most people have moved to laptops. So they can be mobile and go to a coffee shop or do something. And it's not disturb down aside from screen real estate us on a step down and productivity. So that's all I was wondering for you know. That's something. I've looked like my preference. I think would be able to have a laptop that can do everything that I want needed to do. And that just had like a docking station just plug it in and like everything's the same. I can go on the road or go coffee shop or something like that. But I don't work. Well, or at least I haven't historically worked very well in coffee shops or remote locations, and it's partly because like my chair like I have back problems. So for me to sit at a coffee shop or in some weird share that doesn't do a good job of distributing my weight. I have kind of a hard time just sitting there and trying to be productive 'cause I'm gonna just sitting there and paying more than anything else. So maybe that's part of why I it doesn't matter. Nearly as much to me as it probably would somebody else. But I do want to at some point be able to switch and just say like, I just grab a thing. Go, and that's my entire environment. And nothing's changed. I don't have to worry about any of the stuff that you talked about where sinking things back and forth or I mean, most of the time for the current setup. I have like I have amac pro. But then I have a windows VM that's running on it. I reinstalled off where there is a it's a very similar environment. It's not exactly the same. But anything that needs to be there? Just keep it in dropbox or Google docs, or something like that. And it's not that big a deal and chrome keeps all my book marks in the same places. So it's it's not nearly as painful as it probably was ten or fifteen years ago. That's how I was gonna say. Yeah. With dropbox, and and then being able to sign into chrome and have your browser because you're in the browser most a lot of the time anyway. Right unless you write in code. So it is nice cool. So we were talking about microcosm. We veered into that. I'm pretty stoke, man. You're running a little mini campaign. Fifth addition D on Saturday. I am I'm looking forward to that. I've got a bunch of stuff that's already kind of laid out have couple of things like send you guys have to do that. And the next day or so, but yeah, it should be good. I almost wish I could talk a little bit more about it is I think it's going to be interesting. I've actually run it twice so far. Okay. So it's not like everything is completely new. So there's certain. Where I know that there's a few issues to kind of iron out. But I think I've got them all straight out. And I actually took this step of having. I took all your characters, and I gave them to other people and said, I want you to play these characters and I wanted to see how things kinda shook out. Hoping it's well prepared. That's cool. Well, yeah. If you've done a multiple times, it's to me. It's like a conference talk. You know, the second third fourth time. I do talk. It just gets better. And better until the point where I get bored of it starts getting worse. So I think you're still on the upswing with this campaign. We'll see I mean, it's just a simple one shot and expected to take maybe three both times have run it before it's taken four hours. So I gotta come tighten that in somehow a little bit. And I have an idea of how to do that. I'm not sure you guys like. Yeah. Killing to kill a PK. No. Well, I do that for very you. Walk in a everybody dies. Let's go get your. Yeah. No. I was thinking something along the lines of a timer. Something like that. Be like, hey, this is this is kind of time here you've got to go a little bit quicker than you. Normally would. So I don't know there's there's a nuclear bomb waiting to go off. And it goes off if you don't get this done is this something is campaign, you came up with or is it a look module. So it's a module that I actually ported over from. Somebody poured it from fourth dish into fifth. And then I poured it from that platform into kind of like because it was made for fantasy grounds which is allows you to play d online you get stuff to drag around stuff, but the module itself because it was ported from fourth addition to fifth addition has got errors in it. And that's why I wanted to play it a couple of times in advance. Because the very first time I ran as like this is a problem. That's a problem. This is wrong. Like flat out like they're referring to things that just simply don't exist like in the author. Never went back and fixed any of it. So it's like, well, what's my interpretation of what they would it should be or how it supposed to be? Yeah. It's going to be exciting. And for folks who don't know it's fifth addition dragons that we're talking about which is the current edition of that. And unite have never gained together before said, this is will be kinda cool, and frankly, I got outta de until four or five years ago when my oldest son got old enough to to start playing then had the impetus to to get into it again. Did you also take a bunch of time off from it and recently get back into it? Yeah. I like when I when I went from what I graduated from high school. I went to college. I think I played once after once or twice like I played once in college that I remember, and I might have played over the summer like the year after I went to college or something like that with some friends back home. But like you I took a bunch of time off, and I started in when when they first published fifth addition I bought the books as they came out. So when the when those were published things back in twenty fourteen says five years ago, that's when I got back into it. And started reading stuff. So I basically skip from the second edition all the way to the fifth and Noverre very little about the third and fourth additions other than what I've read about what the differences are between those and the fifth addition just because some people play with have played like version three, and I didn't know much about it. So I was like trying to educate them about what the differences were. But most people I play with now they either played second edition, or they're kind of new did this thing I played basic back in early eighties and then played aggregate head. And then when I addition AD came out we played that. I I don't think I ever played second edition never played third or fourth. So really when I got back into it. Let's say four or five years ago, I googled coming back into DND and going to teach my kid, you know, trade we play. I addition because that's what I'm most familiar with or physician good. And there were these really there was some really cool threads talking about the pros and cons of it. And in the end people are like look fifth addition is a better like better that was. The word that use. But it's a faster rule says that the game moves quicker. It's it's easier to understand for someone who's never played it. And there's tons of new stuff being put out for. So you can do either one, but consider, you know, checking out fifth addition. And so, you know, it's nice that the that the rules are available for free, right? There's a PDF that was coast lets you download so I've downloaded it. And I was like kind of blown away by simplicity and how they've gotten rid of of descending Armagh class and all these tables to hit and savings saving throws seven. It's just come down to difficulty checks with advantage and disadvantage just real elegant to me elegance simplifications of things. Now, I know folks who are used to the old stuff, you know, adopting something new it's like changing programming languages from from C to ruby or something or, you know, Seeda dot net where it's like, oh my gosh. This is such a different paradigm. And even if it if it might be more elegant, whatever it doesn't feel that way because it's different. But for me trying to reenter it and not wanting to you know, when I was ten or twelve or fourteen I just had hours and hours to pour into it. And. And our own stuff and read every book, but I don't have that time. Now, it's like, look I have two hours a week, maybe three hours to hammer something out what's fast, and what's fun to play. You know? Yeah. And now you can go online and there's like random dungeon generators random character generators and all the stuff. That's just like they're fantastic tools, streamline things. I mean, I remember used to spend like an hour or to create any character. And now, you can just go on us one of these tools, and you can have a character done in like ten or fifteen minutes tops. It's fantastic. Yeah. I agree. Like, I love the fifth edition rule set over all the other ones that over the basic edition, and then eighty I addition in second edition, just because I think the biggest thing that I think it has going for it is that the characters get your character will get more powerful as they level up as opposed to depend so much on like items and things like that in order to make you more powerful. That's the thing. I I really I think I dislike the most about some of the previous editions. 'cause like you could just make somebody completely overpowered at like a super low level just by giving them a bunch of magic items. Whereas with this one I mean, you're competitive every step of the way with with no magic items, which kind of awesome. All right. And let's I know we can talk about GED. This could be casual deep conversations with Robin Mike or tabletop gaming, but I don't want to folks who don't play might have already to now. So those two those two listeners are are gone. But I have a question for you. Have you been to a conference where the opening ten minutes were kind of the host gets on stage and talks about things right sets the stage so to speak for what's going to happen during the conference. What's the best one of those you've ever seen or have you seen any that have blown you away? I think and obviously the reason I'm asking is we have adapted ours over the years, and especially last year changed the whole the slide deck changed and format changed stuff. And I'm just trying to think about the best way to keep improving that. I don't know about best. I would say the most interesting one I ever saw. I wasn't there personally for this. So this is a little bit of secondhand information. I was there the year after and I think that as a result of that previous year things had changed the in terms of policies of the company, but it was at a conference back in. I wanna say two thousand seven to two thousand nine timeframe something like that. Maybe it was even slightly before that, but the founder of the company came out and went up onto the state or actually came he came in through the back and went through the aisles and up on the stage riding a motorcycle. So so on so let's talk to Andor and on Monday. I want you to do that. Sure. I do have my motorcycle do that, theoretically. But antastic, I think we may need update the insurance and the waivers and various other things and Renta motorcycle and get the trap to let us drive it through the hall. Yeah. All right. Thanks, completely helpful. Doing it. Four hundred and thirty eight episodes since twenty ten being unhelpful. Yeah. I don't know what the the most thing is. I mean, I've seen been a conference where the founder of whatever the businesses will come out in the give like a really good opening talk or presentation, and it talks about kind of the future. But it's not like a five or ten minute intro. It's usually like the keynote speech or something like that. Can't right? It's an actual talk. It's not just because obviously at Microsoft for folks haven't been you, and I get up and we have between ten and fifteen minutes right at the start at a conference where we welcome everybody. We talk about what my conference is we go through, and you know, kind of breakdown of ten dis stages there at and that kind of stuff, and it sets the stage for where we're headed because it would be weird. If everyone shows up at ten AM on Monday, and you and I get up and we're, ladies and gentlemen, Jason Cohen or Chris savage, whoever speaker as they get up on stage because it's almost like it's not a program, and it's just destroy needed speaker after speaker after speaker, there's no con-. Text for all of it. And that's why we've always done the welcome welcome. You know? And I don't know. So I'm just trying to think of something that's not a Keno per se. I guess I mean, we could we could do whatever we want with this year because the schedule's already set. But, you know, next year, you're, and I are you looking for something different intellect to change it up in terms of same. Well, how can we do this differently? Or just looking for ideas of what other things are you looking for validation of like is this the best thing for us to do or not? So I think we should do it. I don't think that's part of conversation right of us. Not getting up there. Standing could be super weird. If we weren't there to welcome. The people someone has to be there. So she did something. And I think what we did last year was better than what we had done prior years. But I m looking is there anything else we can add that to make it even better. And that's what I'm thinking about. So I think the best one I've seen was at Sastre. Jason Lim can got up and talk for maybe fifteen minutes, and it wasn't a keynote. It was kind of like the state of Sassari talked about the conference and he talked about their community. And he talked about their funded. It really was just an overview, you know, when you think about writing a ten page paper like you start high level, and then you dig in deep, and then at the end, you come back to high level to conclude, and that's how I think we structure micro fright. We have that introduction that really is this high level context setting and at the end, we should wrap it up with context and stuff, and we even have to structure, the talks that way. Right. We don't tend to put a super tactical talk as the first talk on Monday. Because it's the vibe is is off if you do that. So that's it. I don't know that I have I think I might try to think back to what's Astor's opening was like and see if there's any elements of that that that could apply to us were we are similar to that opening and that we do set context. But I think there's there's ways to better whether what we do. I mean, we set context for the attendees at the conference. I mean, an idea that comes to mind, and obviously there's zero time to do that for this year. But in this is actually something. I had had an idea of within the past couple of years of like, hey, it'd be cool. If somebody kinda headed this up and not that I really had the time to do it. But it's it's something that either we could potentially put together because of the audience community. But as you said kind of like give the state of self funded entrepreneurs or the state of SAS applications or the state of software in general for like extremely small software companies like ours and give like a ten or fifteen minute overview of, hey, this is this is some of the major changes that have kind of come out over the past year. Or so this is how things are progressing these things to that are going on in the industry that people should kind of either be on the lookout for or be careful of or these are some opportunities that you guys might wanna think about as opposed to what we do right now. Which is welcome them to the conference, which I do think we still need to do that. But I also think that it would be nice. If there was this extra piece there that was kind of an opening. Did set the stage for other stuff. And I think that what I would actually probably take is doing interviews with founders or calls or surveys and things along those lines to help. Gather information from the community to be able to compile that and show to them. So like, I did a talk in Microsoft Europe in twenty sixteen that was that basically did that I asked people for information to hey, could you submit this? And I'm basically write in talk about it. And I ended a bunch of that information, but it's not something I could potentially do every single year. So I just didn't keep it up. But I think something along those lines could be helpful and useful for the audience. Do you know at the name of my talk is on Monday afternoon. You have not let view, you know. I don't even know the names of all the speakers. That's. Now. Keep a firewall between speakers and sponsors. Right. And I actually literally we were talking last week. I guess and I said, yeah, I don't know. I know some of this because there's a lot of returning, but I tend to wait until day or two before to look through all the sponsors because I don't want the speakers this is our editorial firewall right so advertising aditorial. It's we don't link those two up. I don't want that to influence decisions. Right. But the name of my talk is the state of bootstrapping in twenty nineteen. So it's not it's not exactly what you are talking about. But I am trying to give that overview and talk about trends, and what's happened over the past ten years. It's it's take you saw my Europe talk from what eight months ago or six months ago. It's an expansion of that. So that's the big goal. I mean, obviously like you don't wanna do one hour talk at the very beginning. Gags? Actually, I don't know how you would condense you're talk into like the ten or fifteen minutes. And that's the other thing think I would struggle with as how to gather enough data that is meaning. In useful to the audience and present it in a short enough timeframe that it isn't distracted or it doesn't create a whole host of other questions. Right. We have these questions than it's like, all right? And now our first bigger and people are like, no, I want to hear more about that was in the middle of it. I'm so confused. Right. Yeah. So it's a blue tick. Oh, let's see here. I have done that. What's all that? I need to go it real quick while we're on a what have you been what what's the news on that? I'm sure people want hear even working on it or you too bogged down at Microsoft stuff, I've been so bogged on with like, Microsoft stuff and all sorts of other things going on. I think we talked about it a little bit in the last episode of the one before that. But like the just the timing of microcosm from lots of the things that are going on has been so incredibly bad that I have not had time to look at it. Like last week I had to sit down for like a day or two and look at renewing my health insurance because I think most people renew their health insurance at the beginning of the year minds up for renewal on April first, and I had a call them. And I'm just like look this is really bad timing. And they're like we need to have this paperwork in by the first and otherwise gonna renew like at the current rates. I'm like dear God, it's like a worst timing. I don't renew. My health insurance was even mean, you have to reapply up paperwork. I've never done that. So they changed the plans. Every year. And I don't know whether this happens for everybody. But like the change the insurance plans that are available and the rates for all of them changes. Well, so and sometimes they will move things around like they'll move like a they'll change the prescription coverage or they'll change what is covered under a particular plan or they'll change copays, or which hospitals they cover, and it's just like your got the sucks end because it's do the like a have to renew by April first, or basically, I just don't have coverage, and it will automatically renew. But because of the timeframe like I have to look at it now and figure out whether what I'm going to be doing now is the right thing or not. And I was like, well what about like an HSA account or something like that? And they said oh well in order for you to do HSA account. We have to give you entirely new plans because these are not HSA certified. I'm like, oh my God. And then there's like a health savings account, which is not that that's an HSA FSA flexible spending account. I think that's it. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like all these terms that are very close to one another that. I'm not familiar with. Because I'm not in that industry. I'm just like, I'm so confused. Like, a why do I have to learn this right now and have like ten minutes to do it. So it's like I said, it's just bad timing and lots of major things all in a very compressed timeframe, and it sucks say you've been doing health insurance taxes prepping for microsof-. Right. And so blue ticks just kind of blew taken along. Basically. I mean, you know, aside from the things that I talked about the last couple of weeks, you know, the webcast I'm going to be doing. I mean that's scheduled in late April. So it's just I knew a little things here, and they're trying to move things along, and then I've also been doing research on the the back end framework that runs blue tick. And there's a there's an open source application that maybe this is a good time to talk about that. Or we moved to talk about on a future. So, but I talked to Andrew Culver briefly about it because he is the founder bullet train, which is essentially a framework that you can use as a starting point for your app. Whatever it is whatever happens to be. He takes care of all of the fundamental things. Like sign in password, reset stripe, integration, and all these things. And basically you start plugging the logic of your application in. Well, when I was first building blue tick and started now like I couldn't really find anything like. That. But I did find an open source project where they said, hey, you know, here's the MIT license for this or whatever and you can use this stuff. And it looked like it was pretty decent is just it didn't do everything that I need to do and I didn't use some of the same library. So I base a lot of stuff in on it and imported some of the code. But then there's you know, there's obviously like a divergence there, and they did their own thing. And I did mine, and I went back and looked at it. And it's it's much farther along than it was at the time and more advanced in certain cases, which would actually make it easier for me to use that and plug in more functionality, but the database tables don't line up. So it's like add have to port things over and deal with that stuff. And I'm just like as it worth it. I've done a little bit of exploration there. But by putting over would give me like all the core functions of their features of just like a SaaS application would be taken care of for me. And I wouldn't have to worry about him. So it's like, I don't have a good sense of how long it would take to do that. Or whether it's worth it like, maybe something. Just do it over time and not necessarily worried too much about it. Oh, yeah. I think the question I ask is like to me your number one goal right now is more paying customers rights. It's unsure problems Lucien, fit and sure product market fit and more pain customers in this doesn't do that. I know that it makes longer term. It's a good call. Right. If this is if you run this out for ten years twenty years, and yet it's good to be on a framework, assuming that they maintain it, and blah, blah, blah. But I don't think I think that's pushing off the number one priority, which is get more people in your funnel, close more deals. Get more revenue because that's really the point you're at so just might take. Yeah. No. I totally agree with that. And that's why haven't like tried to bite the bullet actually do it. Because like there's certain issues at the app has in terms of like team accounts like that. And I'm just like I don't wanna go down the path of some of those things right now until I have more customers more revenue because it's. Not. I don't wanna say not important is is not the top priority ham. So. At some point. I'll do it. But. I have a hard time to it. I would agree. There's always a lot of distractions like that. Right. It's like, I think we talked about last time where customers giving more things or even you have more great ideas than you can ever implement. And so you you has part of being a founder and making the right choices picking the ones that are gonna have the most impact for you. You know? And it's like what are you trying to impact now? And to me, it's your top line or bottom line, or you know, how everyone for is that so. Cool. I guess say in the interest of time will wrap up here in the next couple of minutes. I mean, there's some new stuff tiny seed. But it's like it's in that weird phase where we have all these applications, and I'm interviewing a lot of them. I'm having I'm having fun doing it. It's super busy. And then like you trying to get taxes down prepping for microcosm flick. I really mytalk has not done and I fly out in forty eight hours. I know that dirty little secret of you doing talks, and you find that you write him closer and closer to your deadline. I remember Dr mash shot at B O S years ago, probably a decade ago. Now, we're talking and we're both doing tuck that year. I believe I might have been doing like a lightning talk, and he was doing full one. But anyways, he said, Yep. I'll start my talk at eleven o'clock tonight. And he did it the next day. You know, and I was like what I've been prepping for weeks, and I was much earlier in my in my conference speaking than he was. But he said, yeah, he typically says to like three in the morning and just writes his talk all at once than before. And that that's kind of his best. Way to work, and that's not mine because I don't like staying up that late. But I do find that the pressure of having to get it done often forces me to to really focus in and ship. Good material. Whereas I can I can burn dozens of hours over the course of weeks if I have all this time to write the talk not a practice of it. I think is another thing that I think having more time to practice does improve the talk so off to figure out some good times to to do that. That's the that's something. I kind of struggle with two is getting the talk done early enough to be able to also do a lot of practice. I don't know about you. I have little hacks and stuff that I put in a bunch of my slides where if I'm going through and have a couple of bullet points. If there's a bullet point that has a period at the end of it than I know that hit a button again goes to the next slide and things like that. It's like most people wouldn't catch those types of things, but there's little things that used his visual indicators for myself to know, kind of what's coming next to pay attention to certain thing or make a certain point that makes sense. I guess. The last thing for me is I've just with with tiny seed, you know, as with any startup in early days. Well, here's the here's a difference. Actually is nowadays. If I were to start a new company that's going to build a software product, I would go to stripe. Atlas in I would form an LLC or Seakor through their one click thing and creates a Bank account. It does all this stuff. It's a solved problem now. And I know that you're then getting need some other paperwork as you hire employees and stuff, it's you know, but there's gusto, and there's NF, and they're their ways that have simplified it. It's not very ad with starting an accelerator, essentially, a fun investment fund the nature of starting those is not as refined. And so you go straight to you know, law firm, and you're forming multiple LLC's that refrains one another and there's a lot of complexity there. And so luckily NAR has been my co-founder with with tiny seat is taken care of most of that. But they've just been a few points where I've been involved in conversations. Trying to get term sheets. I roll here's we're getting term sheets nail down. And like I had one simple question about changing one word to make things clearer, and it wound up being this ten Email back and forth, got more and more and more complicated. And I don't know if I wasn't explaining myself. Well, but it was one of those moments where I finally said I give up I it's just gonna have to be complicated on the dock because to change it from pre money to post money would require huge paragraph and all these exceptions, and this huge -able it lists in. What is otherwise a ten word sentence right now, you know, if we didn't do pre money than it's ten word sentence, if you post money, I think based on what he was telling me, I couldn't actually understand it it just scores out of control. And that's the kind of stuff that is so frustrating to me someone who is trying to get things done because I was trying to send things to people three days ago. And then it winds up being this back and forth back and forth. And we were gonna jump on the phone, and no it wouldn't have helped. It would have been the same conversation that happen via Email. So I think the propential- frustration of being a. Founder is you always have these things that are just that are just outside of your control or maybe your expertise, and they get complicated, and they become time sucks beyond what they should. I think. And I've I'm learning when to just throw my hands up and say, look, I'm going to give up on this one. And we'll just I'm not gonna fight this anymore. I'm not gonna waste anymore time. I think as younger entrepreneur I wasted a lot of time fighting against things like this rather than eventually just saying, look, it doesn't really matter. Just do it the way it is you rage against the machine when you're younger in a dead. Dover. I don't think that that's so I think that type of problem happens in general like when you start a business. There's going to be certain things that are out of your control, and it sucks because you wanna move fast, and you wanna get them. But at the same time, I think that one of the issues that you're running into is that when when it comes to legal terminology like there's hundreds of years of history of legal things that have happened. And there is precedence that has been set. So when you say, you know, one word versus another word it can drastically change. How that is interpreted in the eyes of the courts. So it sucks to have to deal with that stuff. I don't wanna say exactly like programming because with writing code like you have to be very explicit about what you wanted to do. And then what the exceptions are. But with legal terminology like there's always I don't say ambiguous. But there's ways different ways to interpret the exact same words. And it's it kinda sucks. Sometimes. Yeah. It is what it is. I know that people. Out there, probably not and their head. You know, it's like taxes legal stuff there. Others. I don't know plumbing code in your sapid things that don't move your business forward, but you said plumbing code, and I thought actual plumbing to lure code that stuff that doesn't move your business forward. So right. So all that to say probably wrap it up for the day. Yeah. I think so if you have a question for us, most episodes are not this casual and we answer a lot of listener questions as well as dive into detailed interesting startup, topics. 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Hillary Clinton, Diane Keaton

Ellen on the Go

44:03 min | 10 months ago

Hillary Clinton, Diane Keaton

"Hi It's Ellen Degeneres welcomed with my podcast. We're GONNA listen to some of the best moments from the show. Oh and it's GonNa be hosted by four executive producers that I love happy listening on Today's episode of Ellen on the go. Hillary Clinton is back on the show and the timing is that she appears on the day that Donald Trump is acquitted in his impeachment trial. Also Diane Keaton is here answering some burning earning questions. five-year-old's Zander Reiner Sohn. This kid is like no other kid we have ever had on our show. Oh my God. Is he a door super cute. That hair is want that hair also ellen meets an incredibly inspiring Delta Airlines Gate agent. Oh she was gave a beautiful missile speech at her gate. Awesome on a very tough Monday morning flight from JFK to lax. And what was fate would have it. No Oh we have a while ago we did a contest called. I WANNA get rear ended by ED. 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I'm sending my staff out together now. Oh my God your staff your staff number number pillow here. How do you structure their days? A I'm letting my the biggest celebrity of met so far. Oh my God so far I would say yes but I'm feeling fantastic fantastic because I just heard ed laugh. Is this room as exciting as you thought it would be. When do you envision where the podcast happened? It's a cool room. It's cool I think Nerve Center of the show Lydia Right. There's so much to look out in so many the secrets that I can see if I can't talk about. Oh Wow share just pointed at share on the Board Caserta Christie. So that's our show. Each of those blocks is a week of our show and our show of course unfolds folds in seven acts so all seven acts are on the board. And there you go. That's the next three weeks. And then these are the following. You can see just gets lighter and lighter as you go further out we don't plan to bring any merch. You want me to sign anything I did. Think about bringing my Andean friends. Jackie obvious obviously I have one. I think I'm probably the only person who bought one. So you know. No I'm wearing delayed because crew are you L. A.. Are you Orange County Orange County so for those out. That means we're Los Angeles. What we're Disneyland? Disneyland is Kevin Spacey Place on Earth where in Orange County are you irvine okay got it up so hewn from Laguna Beach. Yes correct yes and I went to school at Chapman University. The reason I chose Chapman during the tour they say oh it's only fifteen minutes from Disneyland so people go to Disneyland in between classes which is why I chose Chapman. Fan a big Disneyland. Do you understand that. It is Kevin's wins. Is it job dream job though. It's just his happy. Nobody loves Disney more than him crazy. Someday I want to retire so ice cream. 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If you to start at Girls Inc yeah exact- Mida cool so you you you help people. Yeah Yeah Okay. I would like to think so. I've been there for three years so I started as a volunteer and worked my way up to court. Those girls like grow and see imprint print on the masonic. Okay I explain to us why you wing it and coming to the UAE. Why why why would you? I have a unique perspective. Live okay about your being here today because I I think I'm the only one in this room who has actually been rear ended by a story the started the competition is the story that started the competition. So having so you're the only one on staff so so having had the experience yes us. Why would you enter a contest entitled I WANNA be rear ended by it and remember? This is a family podcast doc. The title honestly could have been anything got it and I would have entered. Yeah I'm very competitive person so if to me. It's just about about winning so it wasn't necessarily wanting to win some of stone from their right but it starts. It's that way every day. Yeah so I wanted to win. It was awesome prizes and for me all the contests I try my hardest to be the best entry you've entered who'd entered every single podcast contest that we the commitment whereas kind of loyalty we're talking about is only entered like five of them. Yeah to be listener to be fair. We've told Porsche. She's not eligible for many of the country. But let me just go back to the I want to get your ended by it. Yeah if you were to get rear ended I immediately take Ling. You do true and want to get into an accident with. He might even pay for it with cash. He may not want never know. You never underwrites. You never know what I'm GonNa do is get out of the car and blame it on you. That's not what I do. It was my fault. I rear ended. Mary I I paid are still paying. Now what is it about our show in the podcast. You love so much right so I have been listening to the podcast since the very first episode Royal Fan and for me I love. I Love Television in general so any behind the scenes thing. I'm all in on so especially the Ellen show since I've been a longtime I am viewer of this show but I keep watching because of honestly because of all of Y'all and the relationship that you have with each other I mean for Crying out loud. We do really care better way to start our day than Lydia needs to be here every day. It was Wednesday a- and you can be totally honest because we're honest in this room. Were you a bit taken aback. At how heavy Kevin when their the moment where. There's definitely a moment where I'm like. Kevin is not exactly a full on Kevin's a handsome man. Very handsome diet pills. You know. This actually makes me happy. 'cause we sit in here doing this podcast and sometimes I really believe believe. It's for an audience of nobody. People listen people. Listen now that we can. We can do the podcast for Lydia Porsche. We know we're doing it for Porsche. My crazy to she look a little bit like Sarah when she gets older. May My daughter. She Sarala Yeah I when she came in I thought a little Lorber Talon maybe yeah interest maybe interesting also a compliment. Okay I'll take. I'll take tapings about that. who was on the show? I've been to three tapings actually ticket toss title so the first one was in twenty thirteen and Ashton Kutcher. Was the gas then recently saw Melissa McCarthy uh-huh a big deal and David spade so really knocked it out of the park with those are good taping three shows. No extra tape three interesting when you start watching Ellen. Oh I was in the third grade. My Gosh which I believe I season so my parents introduced us to Ellen with her here and now specials on. HBO Solid One right right before the US. Yeah that's how I became a fan of her because at that point I think it was eight years old. Thought it was funny And then I started watching the Ellen Ellen show on my little. TV In my room. That had the bunny ears so we got local channels just pause. The second que- industry was in third grill when we were all already already working fulltime third grade. And we're getting here and we're still here and she's gone and done a thousand other things. Yeah helping anyway go ahead so I started watching the show every day after school because I loved it so much and I love that she was making people laugh who the show so I would take notes on the funny thing. She would did you because I wanted to make people laugh just like she people laugh. I love this man neurotic do you have and in this is putting you on the spot. Then then we'll just edited out. Do you have a favorite moment or two that you remember writing down I'm I don't remember specifics. Because this is an eight year old taking notes so see now I think more of you than than the than yeah I do. Remember specifically on the Sandra Bullock moment where she hits on bad Santa and remember that still stunned just for about five years and she ate the pepper right exactly so I thought that was hilarious. I remember giant that down now. Did you ever want to go into comedy. Did you ever was that something you ever goal in. Life is always to make people laugh. Off that's what my get fulfillment from so comedy. I've always seen it as okay. You can either be a writer you can go into stand up comedy not really interested in in stand up comedy. I mean it's out to all the people who are horrible. Heart Cath so it's more on a local level. Not Me Right now comedy and through social media just like making people laugh. Will the person you're sitting next to over. There is head of all comedy ready at this show. He does that all. He's our head writers president of comedy producer. Some Tony Stuff you've seen on this show. You walk down the hallway and comes from me. He's a right uh-huh clearly failing also of course when you see like half the you you ought to take off of work. Yes yeah they do know that. I'm here it's a big deal. Boss made sure I was saying Girls Inc.. Think of Orange County girls in Kasese boss's name Jessica Jessica Yu like the employees the day leading adding Lydia. So thank you so much for that cell phone number down now area code. It's Ohio. Is that where you're from Where where Columbus Area Columbus Ohio daughter going right exactly Togoland which is not far? Yeah so when did you come to Orange County money for school so I was actually born in Dallas and then moved around a whole bunch of middle school. We landed in Ohio so I say I'm from Ohio but because because of that I felt like I could go anywhere school so then I heard Disneyland's fifteen minutes away from Chapman and I've been here ever sows your family. Still in Columbus part of them are My Dad actually lives in San Jose and my older sister's in Dallas. So we're sort of all split up. Okay we love Jack Hanna. Who of course was the Columbus Blue and we love? And we'd love Ohio we'd love Dayton the great city of Dayton. Ohio's one I'm going to grab a cell phone with me if you want to grab. A selfie with Komo sounded creepy. It's I'm used to it and she's not asking she did now. You're asking no Asked this like she told you about her. And then you're like oh I'd like it was GonNa Sweatshirt that sometimes you meet your heroes. Let you down the story of mine. There's nobody looked down. I I yes I did. What did you think I thought they were? Great I'm glad that parasite one almost all of the great i. I don't know if gal saw knives out this weekend. To people told me that I got to see it Yeah I felt like it should have been included in some of the Oscar nominations and but I'm really happy for parents when the people told you that you said you should see knives out. Did you offer to take selfies with them. Fans who told me to pokes. Did you see two popes. I watched that no good. I watch it on Friday watching stuff about the Catholic Church because I have raised Catholic and I have this sort of. It's really good. It's more of a human life. We're you know it's GonNa be about all the trouble looks better than I like the clips. I liked them but I thought I thought one of the most incredible movies I had ever seen was nineteen in seventeen. I have not have knocked my socks off shocked that it didn't get best director of World War One movie. It's it's a movie yes warm but it's more like a tale of these two guys journey. It's it's it's not like unbelievable. Yeah it's not like your standard war. Movie Denike Dunkirk or saving tourists. Who are Torah? It's basically two young men charged with delivering a message to the front line. And it's about following doing them to the front line and it's if you're saying you're sitting there in that room last night you know you're winning best director. You've got your speech ready you are. There's no chance you're not GonNa win and then you don't like it's just a lot of shots. Were the point of view. They built these giant Trent. Lott of it in one. Take Doc. That's cool. Yeah those videos take music videos remember. There was okay. Go okay go yeah. It's a lot like that domino's Domino's roses domino's their soldiers took sometimes with Andy. You got to find a frame reference that he can do and then the marble falls in the basket and the basket knocks don't like you what's slipped in a lot of these. Was Hillary Clinton Hillary Clinton guess. What did you did you see that? Oh yeah thought it was great and knowing what she went through and twenty sixteen. I know how we probably all felt the day after everything happened so to see her. Be Able to speak so eloquently about everything. That's gone on documentary. I can't recommend enough watched comes to Hulu and March and just forget. Get the election like forget the election for a second. What this woman started doing in college the way she spoke up the way she was like singularly focused on advancing women and women's rights is just? She's incredible but it also talks about the election and the misinformation Disinformation and all that. But even if like even if she has a part in this it doesn't really matter to me like the way people hate on her is indicated it on her since her husband was the president it. Yeah just defies reason. Just it's just visceral people just don't like her and she's had had to contend with that was Obamacare Hillary Clinton. When Bill Clinton became president in his first term was trying to write healthcare in this country and I mean people people just did not did not appreciate it and and I think she is a great relationship with Ellen? And here's a little bit of Ellen. And Hilary Clayton and having a chance. Laurie hi I l on the last time you were here. You are sitting here saying that win your elected you're GonNa let us do our show in the White House that's right. I did say though. Yeah Yeah we didn't get to do it and get to know we did not but there is a different different kinds of show going on there is there is a show going on. I'm sure you're watching out talk to whoever's next and see if we can't get that done all right the deal. Yeah Yeah I wanNA yeah exactly me because I would like to do the show in the White House. Yeah Yeah Yeah I would love to do it. This is an answering to keep more dancing more Dan more dancing in the world. That's what we need happiness and dancing This is a big week. You're here the president was just a trump was just acquitted by the Senate of his impeachment. And does that surprise you. Did you expect that well. I wasn't surprised because it's a it's hard to get sixty seven votes to convict and remove somebody but I was still disappointed. Pointed that not more of the Republicans were willing to take the stand that Mitt Romney took Mitt Romney Romney. Yeah absolutely the extraordinary speech on the floor of the Senate talking about why. He felt the weight of history on his shoulders and that he was going to vote to convict on one of the articles of impeachment. Look the evidence was really clear. There was no doubt by the time it was all presented that actually the president done what he was accused of in fact. He admitted that he had done what he was accused of. He just didn't didn't think that anybody would hold them accountable. So we're now moving on but I hope that voters and Americans of all political stripes stripes actually pay attention and say to themselves. Hey you know. He has to be held accountable. And now the way to do that is in the election. Yep Yep Ellen on the go is presented by Disney's new original movie timmy. Failure mistakes were made a twenty one eight twenty Sundance Film Festival official selection about a young detective. Timmy failure in his partner. A fifteen hundred pound polar bear total in elementary school oddball the the clueless but confident. Timmy must navigate the world of adults around him all in his quest to become the best detective in the world. Timmy failure mistakes were made is now streaming only on Disney. Plus you know what was fun about the Oscars for me last night was seeing Diane Keaton. Diane Diane. Keaton is just Chris Stein. Keaton is. He's been on the show seriously like probably fifteen times a lot of a lot of a lot. I feel like she's never them sober. This is our seventeen season. And she's been on at least fifteen th yes just is she. She is hilarious and she is uniquely herself and and that's so refreshing in fun to see someone come on our show who is just from their own little planet and is Leeann podcast. Mind God in heaven. What did she do on this appearance? Mary played burning question. Play burning questions that was really good and she historically very much does not wanNA play Games Games on why she's nervous very nervous and I think she just thinks it takes her sort of out of I don't know she genuinely things also genuinely thinks she's not interesting. She thinks she's boring. She doesn't understand why we keep booking. It's almost like you have to do something. And then when he does it he ends up right. Yeah Yeah unlike that anyway. Here's ellen playing burning questions rollet. When was the last last time you had too much wine last night? Okay okay yet. It seems like you're winning already. Finish this sentence saying Keaton is. She's troubled naming young star. We're who style you love. I think I know who you're going to say. What are you saying? I think Billy Irish Amen. I just know you would like her. Her she's amazing. What is one thing you tried that you will never do again? A Kiss Chris Christoffersen. Do I leave now. I'm sailing know exactly with explain that he's a long time ago. It was a mistake. I think he was very attractive at the time. Time in and you'll never do it again. You know he didn't want to feed in Kansas. Sorry I have some wine. What's the sexiest food sexy food? Sexiest food what do you stick your tongue in. It's Gooey what do you stick your life Jello Jello. You can't really stick your tongue in go there. No something like Bags soup that's congealed that that does sound sexy like a bad. It's the right it's got the right color. What are you talking about Green? Isn't that what. Now we should talk about zander hander. Zander I mean oh my gosh producer on our staff whose name is Chris Coochie Yup and Chris Coochie if he had a specialty. What would it be? I'd say Quirky. Yeah his specialty is Quirky. He's great where kids books magician. Would you say hang out. He occasionally comes comes down. Sometimes you can't make his feet work but other than that of super super has magicians in the Korpi stuff but also got the kids who were trapped in in the case he got the tie. Yeah ties soccer. Team just finds them and he produces them and so anyway books they all end up on his holiday card that but he I found this kid zander who he was unlike any. I mean we've had a lot of kids on the show. We had Sophia Grace and rosie increasing chance and this kid was unlike any other kid we've had on the show. He was a true a lot of the kids that we have on what they can do is memorize blog. And that's impressive. I guess you know I still can't memorize but this kid is just actually brilliant. He knows it in him and his thing is science and his thing is astronomy and chemistry a little a little bit of biology. Say that he said his interest was mainly in the solar system or the galaxy or outer space because it never ends. Yeah that's what he said right so then more more ellen asked him a question about the life cycle of a star. Gosh and I will life cycle of a stars complicated. Sometimes you win in an Oscar in your star rises Zander Zander head. This answer covered holy cow. Here's Ellen and ZANDER chatting Rollet Lydia. What's the life cycle of the star? Okay you lift. They live far. Is I guess crowd. Dennis starts rotating then the Corgan talk then do produce. Our produce started doesn't have much by their math to create clear Your food to then. It's a yen Dur. Dur have enough math to create nuclear fusion. Then the phone giant. Some jarring is like a mixture here between the New York giants giants next day and then it turns red jarring so if you place direct giant in our folks to them that I thought well our son will and like a building years or so it fun well and it was up all the plan. This Tamar intern planets. We have live do gooder it also giant is. They're very a big. And do some of the ask for it would suck up and lick thousand asteroids from from the ask you gotta hear the start over. Okay I'm listening go ahead starts to rotate the in that one. You also have to watch. Because as I mentioned his hair his hair asked horrible. And then Ellen did this hilarious thing where she called twitch in the middle of it which is reaction and what happens during all those big laughs right so funny. I'm so glad I had the idea to let her cubicle. Don't show yeah yeah. Nobody's way you come up with the idea to put twitch in a cubicle where no one could see to it that that scared me. There were a lot so multiple times between rehearsal and show. I pitched to the head writer. Who That day was? Not Kevin that maybe we just make it a little lower so we could see him and she resisted rested that Lauren pomerantz bless her heart and We just we just had faith in her and turns out they were right they were lauren. Help firm whose idea was it to get rid of twitches mine. EJ Mine Mine Writer. I can tell you who's it wasn't the writers but it's been years. I mean years at that equipment has done it is plugged in it is during rehearsal. There are the lights and there's Songs there that from two thousand six loaded up on them but that's all it does nothing but anyway I can you like it. Oh yeah I'm loving it every day. What's the the new booth Nice? That's what Kevin Kevin wanting. That's what he hopes for now. We should do one more thing here. Why should we should we talk about courtney the Delta Gate agent how inspiring we need right now we need her so so there's this gate agent at JFK? Who handles what they call premiere? Flights which I guess are cross country cross country to La. Very you know big marquee flight. Big Marquee flight and she takes to her microphone the the the the morning after the terrible helicopter crash that took Kobe Bryant and G G and seven other incredible souls and she. We knew that this this crowd about to board this plane might need some extra inspiration. And here's a little bit of what she said. It was just know that we're here with you and now that you have your life so there's someone you had his focus incident call them. Somebody had reached out to awhile. I don't know no no. We've got phone up and solar reach out Goto House now. You're you're never something great alleged. Remember the spirit is still always happy life commuting it and its Kevin said we need more of her in this. We need more of her now. UNBEKNOWNST TO US believe unbeknownst to US yes which which was on that flight twist gate area and heard that yes and she was Ellen's idea that was ellen's I've l. l.. Have you seen this on. CBS Morning News. I want this woman ellen loves. CBS Morning News. She loves Gayle King. She loves everything about CBS morning. News Allen sought on CBS morning news. And so we went out to this woman and we fell in love with her and this woman works for Delta and should this isn't the only species given she gives speeches regularly but this was an important speech that she gave and so we header on to meet her and get to know her and celebrator awesome. She's awesome. Here's here's a here's a little bit of her exchange with Ellen. I just think you're awesome. I I saw you actually on the CBS morning show. I saw that I then twitch told me he saw you and twitch was actually he was on that flight data. Yeah Yeah it was it was it was one of those honestly. I'm so glad that you're here. Because I gave you a hug hub before I go to fly. We didn't even know each other like that but like what she did was so special. Because as you know like that day was really devastated in a kind of leaves you in this place where you kinda questioning a lot right in your mind's going all these different places but your heart and your and your bold energy just is spoke with exactly what we needed to hear before we got on that flight. I'm sure you've heard from other people when you do things like that but it must feel so good that to know your you have an impact on people especially when they're getting on a plane no matter what day it is but especially that day. It's as soon as I found. A Co worker told me while I was working on another flight so felt like one by one the lights in the world. We're going out and I just had to bring the positive so I took fifteen minutes. I said it's time to shine now. Because they need me. La Needs me. The people need me in. Thomas Spread that light and give the love. And that's that's so grateful to be able to do it. That's what we should all remember number. I mean unfortunately sometimes it takes a tragedy like that to make us all remember that we better start shining our lights on other people in loving other people. Because it's it's very necessary but you spread positively you dance so what happens. Where do you go and dance in the airport for so as we know? Traveling is very stressful. Yes so once you get through. TSA HARDEST PART WE LOVE UTSA but the hardest part so somebody can go downstairs. duty-free the free there's a DJ playing right there. And I started dancing. You feel the vibe you feel the love and I actually do that on my off time. So that's not on my shift. I worked my entire Russia. I clock out. Oh there's dancing body so that's the one way to do. Aside from music is dancing. Is that universal language of I love. They feel it. We feel it in a lot of times. We don't speak the same language but when we're dancing it's one. Yep that's what does she lithium. That's our podcast works. What are your questions for us? Yeah you must know something about me. Mary crush honors seriously any questions nations. About how we do the show. I do want to know because this is now what you've done over one hundred podcast episodes but how how. How has your experience recording the podcast change from the first episode? Till now I feel like the first episode. We did in the music dressing room right. We're here we're here. We did it there because whenever Ellen God forbid we make ellen walk the a two blocks to the off I think we saw us rich with all the downloads. We thought it was GONNA make you. Don't get that much thought changed our lives finance finance. You know you have to remember. By the time we started the podcast. All four of US had been working together for what sixteen years already so. I think the relationship hasn't changed much. I think obviously absolutely the fact that became sort of the head host. No one saw that coming. It's unbelievable what I'm just saying. That they would then become just junior hosts didn't NC that but they fall in No I think I think like our relationship has always been we did not anticipate will first of all all this all seems like a hilarious joke that we podcast. I mean it's just like that's how much do you get paid for the podcast. Oh if I carry one in how many do we do we do to a week. Yeah and we've done over one hundred. Yeah so is zero. Yeah thanks Ellen. That's weird because I have some income from it so so it's hilarious that we have a podcast but we have a whole lot of fun talking about the show because obviously the show is so meaningful to us and it means so much and the four of us make each other laugh all the time we did not anticipate andy going rogue rogue and deciding to take this honest just his podcast. Yeah he really wants to be a celebrity and he's aging quickly so we're trying to they're trying to make me a podcast star. Andy Rooney Kevin very early on did not think think. I think we're all amazed that we actually still have this thing I like about it. Is We do sit in these exact chairs for all hours every day and this is basically what it is without the microphone right. Yeah we just speak to Mike and so and so the notion that people might like it when it's just what we shocking tim say kind of anyway is and you work with crazy people for seventeen years and still like each other is very very lucky we genuinely we care about each other outside of the office and we're really really lucky. We know we know that this system works we solve every problem that comes up or try to solve it from right here in this office. We spend more time together than we have with our Vegas and these guys sentence saying dinner to the room to my sweet before we went out to the clubs and you can tell show. What were you saying listening to the PODCAST? You can tell that you'll love each other and respect poke fun on each other. Yeah I wanted to set with the gods. What else what we what we might right? You know they. He refers to Handy and friends. We we think we might just call it insufferable with any last night true story. These are my only family friends. That's not true anything else that's true. Yes and you were at the Super Bowl recently and I follow you on on instagram. Yes obviously we all know about the slow walking. We know that I entered. The rear ended by walking in video. So imagine my surprise when I'm looking at your content from the Super Bowl and I see that you are slow walking in place. I spent two days trying to get to the gym at that hotel. That never happened and I ate so much bad food that weekend that we we were there so early that I said I'm just going to keep moving for a little bit stadium. I've decided is a good place to go for things. Just just being in a stadium you end up getting a lot of exercise going up and downstairs and you know when Kevin comes on me something. He usually carries me upstairs. But but yeah I felt like I need to exercise and I wanted to inspire the movement because when you're head of a movement like you have to think of the people even in the most exciting times of your life which is being at the Super Bowl. You still have to go. I have an obligation. Are you guys familiar with Deepak. Chopra Finish your thought. I just decided to walk. And then and the best part about it if you watch it. It's Kaelin making fun of me the entire time so that was enjoyable. Sometimes it's fun to just you see. This is let Andy Start talking. Just keep letting him talk right. 'cause weird happens just keep letting him know Andy. We haven't seen war of the worlds but thank God. You're ROSCA. Yeah so your question. What's Oh yeah so yeah? That's what I just want to know where you got the slow walking in place because that was my because I you are a bit bit bit. My submitted walking in place we picked and then he took it the material. We have a scandal first podcast material. 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Maybe Its You with Author Lauren Zander. (#59)

Velvet's Edge

57:13 min | 1 year ago

Maybe Its You with Author Lauren Zander. (#59)

"This is Kelly Henderson and you're listening to the velvet edge podcast. What if I told you that all of your dreams are actually possible if you truly want to make them happen that dream dream job? The relationship the happiness and satisfaction that we all want according to author Lawrence Zander. The reason are aren't actually happening has nothing to do with anyone one or anything going on around us but it has everything to do with us. Lauren wrote the book. Maybe it's you where she teaches readers the art of dreaming. If you you are aware of your dreams do you know the steps. You need to take to get them or maybe you were like meat and you don't even know what some of your dreams are yet. Lauren is here to help and gave me the full lowdown on in our conversation. Here's Lauren okay. So as I was saying to you I've been reading the book. The book is maybe it's you and I have to tell you. I have done a lot of therapy. I I like to think of myself as pretty self aware and then I started reading this book and I thought Holy Shit. I can't believe the reason. Some of the thing that I want aren't happening in my life is totally my own fault or the ass and fault is not a dirty word yes more like the like. Hey I actually have used that. It's like a fault line like the fall in the world like that atomic weights me right. Like there's there's fall. Aw Yes that's true. You were raised poor or your father lapped. There's faults but that's not a reason okay. That's that's like no that's where you have to know your cavity so that you can evolve from there because everyone has shit right like we've all gone list of or how our experiences that make us react in certain ways but the whole point of this book for what. I'm I'm what I took away from it was you can still create the life you want. You got to start with the dark to create the light not okay right and I really don't think dark dark with nighttime right like that's not bad. It's just dark mark right so there's a way we don't like to talk about the way rely the way we you know fired someone the way we yell the what you might having shit. Yeah and so then that forces us to lie and Blaine Right Blaine away. The like you made me right. If it wasn't for you I went up. Yeah right and so. That is the source of why we lose Dr Cower because we don't own our dark side so you've created this whole method. It's called the handle method. And you first first of all. I mean you're basing this off of your own experience in life right like it's like you're just looking at everyone else saying. Oh well this is. What's wrong with you guys? Let me let me help you. Yeah it was I was my first Guinea pig. What hap- I really was? I you know I. I was such an hassle. Wow so I cheated my way through all of high school like actually cheated so so yes literally cheated in pay WanNa know how I cheated. I was raised Orthodox Jew which means yeah I knew Hebrew and if you understand Hebrew it's the alphabet in a different like letters right like it's the B. is a bit right. It used to be able to write out all my answers in phonetic Hebrew right so even if someone new Hebrew they couldn't figure out what the Hell I and I could lay the sheet out on the floor in front of me and no one would know I ever cheated on every exam. Oh Oh my God. It's pretty easy. I mean. A. For effort you know for snake right and And so you know I and no one knew it right then. Getting clack Tor- when you're Aligarh right made me feel so cold right so that I cheated to talk never mind sheet everywhere in school. I also cheated on every boyfriend. I had okay like I was like what you didn't know never hurt you of las okay right and so I and no one ever caught me right. I was funny. I was adorable. I was like no one's even know unless I width back and told everybody all my criminal behavior. They never would have guessed it so I was a snake right that in a snake. You at least know it's coming right right and so and then my big transformation was when I figured out that I didn't like I didn't feel up up When I said I love you I did feel it or mean it in a way that you're supposed to write so here with this bad ass captain of the team? It was this persona. That was faker. faulk ed. I realized it was all my fault. That was the original maybe. Let's make his you letting yourself go there because you weren't letting people in like what was your first kind of realization. Would it come or would it look like I couldn't feel I wasn't happy. Yeah like I had the boyfriend I had the school I have like. I had all the things it was like but on the inside I was allying cold manipulator ultimately right and and I didn't really love my best friend. I'd I didn't like I didn't feel or my ideals were a farce but no one knew it except me and I had at a very spiritual experience Because I went to Israel by myself and traveled Europe by myself by myself. My right knee. My five five cassette tapes my backpack and just literally went out into the world state on Kibbutz for six weeks and Cook Vegetarian Food for three hundred if they people but there was. No one really could speak English so I was like a loan for the first time in my life and I had really you get a magical experiences right that that made me like break. Free of what an ass hole I was and and I literally. I don't recommend this to anybody but I came home until the truth to everyone. Every boyfriend every friend every lie I was holding for other people. We'll I told the truth about school. I told everyone who would listen. I sat my parent- my Orthodox Jewish parents down and told him how many people I had sex within their bed. Ah My God like I blew up you into the opposite extreme. I literally blew up who everyone thought I was so I could feel we'll alive again and be present and which is and eat crow and and be true to myself for the first time in my life so thus began a journey into creating. Now once you blew up who you were you were like will now have to relearn how to live. Yes yeah I had been it. Actually you know I had to make new friends. Yeah so completely. Starting over I really started over like I started. Were like I had like you know and every one of those people that I apologize to. You know I you know at least facebook Brunswick now right so like I I like really cried and really explained like I like did a native man right go through it until you know I was free and an old like so I can say exactly what I'm saying right right now in a way that people would truly also WanNa come clean maybe right and really start to understand that the source of of darkness in humans is the ability to lie for others. But really pretend you're doing it to keep your mom happy 'cause you know like we start to keep secrets. We believe elite and it locks us into our personality though it was my live that had me not me who are lies and that like revelation blew to my self into a way more present human being and then I started meditating and then I then I could like the open to everything he so as as you're going through that in your own your own process what were you. What were you learning that you were like? I have to go tell other people people about this and like you had you felt like you needed to start teaching other people about what you're learning. That didn't happen until I change so so I was an environmental studies major. I really was like early late. Eighties I was. You know you people are killing my Goddamn flat I like I like Oh my God right like you know so I was like I was not very good at science but I was devoted to save the planet and save the Water and the seals and save everything right and then I it was like the war like I hated. Did the work. Yeah but I thought that that was what work was and And then I realized that the wait felt was so wrong this camping my fulfillment right. I can't hate my career because it's right right one has to do it right. And then what I realized when I was twenty two And now I'm turning fifty When I was twenty two I realized that I was saved the trees killed people and then I had the revelation? Oh people don't see the tree right. It's not the tree the trees these are going to be fine right that humans are GonNa make it right and then I really had the biggest cry of my life and remember it and I really apologize. My parents were studying the wrong thing and I became like I decided I was headed for south health right like I. I wasn't going to go back to school. Because that's not my forte. But I was GONNA go to. Wherever people were doing south? This was at twenty two. Yeah Wow I left a great job at the United Nations that I thought was my dream and it was really a nightmare and I told the truth about that. quit that and got my for stopping southbound. Wow and then my joke was. I ran away from that car. I ran away from that company screaming eventually but thank God I stay. There are and learnt everything. I've learnt there because it helps me figure out what I would do. That was basically the opposite of that. Okay yeah so the handle method you you say in. Your book is a step by step. Coaching process that addresses one's entire life teaches people how to dream to realize every last one of their dreams and learn how to clean out their closets both literal and figurative so that they can have the lives that they are wildly proud of. Yeah so you've put this now into this book. Why does this method work? What's been your experience? What does this work because I first of all? I'm in love with human being. I think we're ethically can change at like it. We're we're at What we don't have have language or cross S.'s? That help us be true to yourself right there like my you know. We're so busy teaching our kids Algebra Math Christopher Columbus like read every book that was read before you like the the way we teach grow up as a human has vero being education. Oh my God I so agree with that right and and you know people don't even know how to pick their mother. People don't notify sex people don't know how to figure out their own value. Yes I'm so. The entire a message is a construct to get you to answer all the questions of your higher self and conquer your lower south off your lower self says get back rollover. Don't vote for a rat. Don't tell them to touch you there. don't tell your boss says don't do that. You'll get Mike so fear rules society. You could say ned freedom and free flags and go be true to yourself. is not taught And so I have been pioneering how to get a human to to develop their own language on on what they want on who they are on what what works about you. What doesn't work out? You like it when you say it yourself and you know yourself that's the the act of loving yourself right. I can teach courage and I can teach promises and I can teach then I can teach you what I know. That makes six all of us. Great and it's not about well I mean it's not about Al beating yourself up. It's like what you said about. Just getting honest with yourself I teach people to have an ethics sense of humor about being you. What do you mean If no no one everyone feel like one of the things I teach. Is that speak. We think feeling bad. When you don't do something you said you would do is like a way like that? Suffering is like a cleansing good thing versus bullshit. Oh Shit like feeling bad as Ole ship like if you're going to watch Netflix. Till two in the morning have fun right. Do you understand instead of beating beating yourself up over everything like literally. You're eating the bag of chips while you're watching till two in the morning and then you feel like shit about yourself and as if that's going to inspire you not to do it the next right so we learned to loathe ourselves for the actions were taking that we don't respect and if that loathing did anything but get another bag of chips the next night it really just sucked and then you make series about yourself that you know my mother was never but at it. I'll never be good at it right so then we have these theories that I call weather weather reports like we weather report ourselves except we don't believe in ourselves to. It's really one day at a time and nothing's trip nothing's true about any of us not take what you did yesterday doesn't mean anything about today now. It really is predictable. If you're still they're saying the same thing in that head of yours that you'll do the exact same way yesterday yes. They're science that backs that up. But if I could get my hands on you you have the ability to making. They can keep promises to yourself right with. You know with a consequence I need if I need a consequence you need a cop right and consequences are are what I'd say is using the darker light right night when I wanted to Meditate twice a day right it was very simple. Here's how I nature. I meditate twice a day for my eye elevated ten minutes. I didn't do a twenty right but what I did was I said no coffee till I meditated and no screen time till I meditate it. Do you have any idea how easy it was to do. my meditation right up easy. You wanted the coffee Offi and you wanted to screen Tom. Yes so then. What did meditating become a habit of? I met yeah I mean I do something else now I really manifested. I do some something different but I love meditation. I believe about attention. I meditated for five years straight. Like I have done that but I now I do. Are I make art instead. Ray I do something different now but I love it. But it's like a meditation process from God. But yes when I you know oh Emily Fletcher is a very good friend of mine. Teacher that I love and I promised I brought her into my company to teach meditation to everybody and do Saturday and then we all took it on for six weeks straight and so then I was in on for six weeks straight. So it's like you know I love flavors of lots of flavors of people's ability to teach great ship. So can we talk about how you teach people how to learn how to dream though because that is a part of this whole process and what you were just talking about you know like you do have to reward yourself and I want to get into the weather report stuff that you talk about later but but but I do you see a consistent theme among your clients or people who read this book on why we have a a hard time even knowing what are dreams are yes what is a few good There's a few good answers. Okay okay the for the first is it is really sad so everybody you know. Hold your breath by second. Okay everybody you here. We go According to Science Ryan's I could tell you the study. But according to science human beings over eighty percent of our thoughts are negative. Wow Eighty percents. It's over eight rate. It gets worse. That's not even the worst part ready for the worst part I guess repeating from the day before. So just that's what you were actually just talking about so like you know like the person who has road rage and right and drives down and gets pissed at everybody drive. Everybody's driving I think. Yes you do they do it every time they're driving right and every time you go into the frigerator and you're like you know I should eat that apple. Look it's my kids rights. Putting rate I deserve that. Today was hard right like how many days right so we are logic. We don't witness kness are logic and are negative thoughts about ourselves or what's happening are repeating improving themselves every day. We were just along for the ride. So because we're we're not engaged in taking over our inner dialogue. We don't hear how dismal it is. You understand yes still. We don't even. We're not realizing we're doing any of that stuff. No we really clearly subconscious. It's it's it's a conscious and it validates itself right. It isn't that you aren't going to work and being a great nice person like there's many things about each of us that is naturally positive and just like it takes nothing for you to be nice. I'm fat every starbucks for like anywhere you go. No one can make you stop at and it's natural for you right. There's also dark shit that you can't like deposited doesn't stop either. It's just don't have enough of what we want that really positive right. And so the greatest interrupted all of this is to ask a person to have a vision for not just the three areas of life. Everybody focuses on. What are the threat? Is everyone focuses on your relationship. Your love life her her career bring in money and your health. If it's you know and then your children and then maybe the Euro Pam like like fun and adventure learning branding like really making money really having the career of your dreams like no one's really. Everyone thinks they're like well because my dad was this guy. Hi and I right. We all have all our lodge for why we can't have ethic dreams and so the ask ask a person to start to dream like I have never Read Dream I eat. No matter how successful person is that doesn't come with all their fears riddled in there like that. My husband and I Get good at having difficult congress. Yeah you know like that sounds positive but can you hear what the woman really free right. I thought that was so interesting. Because in the book you give Throughout the booker giving examples of a couple of your clients experience area which was super helpful to me because I could see myself in so many of the things that they did and I just wasn't aware like you said I just wasn't aware of the voices in my my head and so much of What their first dreams would be? Were very much just like yes. Riddled and fear. Fear or Kind of putting the blame on someone else. Earn just making the excuse and kind of like I hope maybe you know I could get this or you know something like that which I thought was so fascinating. Yes we are if I said. Tell me all the reasons. You can't have have your dream you could write for dome. Could write a full novel about it right. Yes tell you to write all the reasons you can have your dream who you will find a pity Pity Party starts to form. Do you WanNa know what my first reaction was is. I've never been good at dreaming. I thought and then I read that that was like pretty common uh-huh and I thought I thought to myself because I know I know certain people Who from a young age have been like? I know that I want to do this with my life life and I've never felt that way like I've had certain things I like more than others but yes I immediately responded with. I don't know my dreams are are because you know I I completely downplayed any sort of success. I've had as maybe I just lucked into it or something. Yes it's it's one of the most convenient lenient ways to never have to know yourself deeply. What do you mean so? You're sure I want you to know if you if you got stuck with me for a little while and I read your haunting and I read your parents rates and then I registered. You're right like when you do the first exercise exercise your right the whole first thing. What you will find is the way you track yourself into your lower south at dozen believe the higher self king to do like it's a battle between dark and light higher self lower South Yin Yang and in your lower south? You can here your higher self stream but we never sit down and study ourselves like what could be more cool than to fall in love with our issues and our dreams right right but you know how much time have you spent writing your dreams learning how to really understand yourself like we have zero. Yeah right and if I even asked you to spend a day on it it would like seeming exhausting tail right but if I said you know do you have kids. Do you want your kids to have their dreams. You want them to get prolific dreaming or do you want put them to tell you why the world doesn't accept. Wow Yeah it's like it's so sad at it so the opposite of who were meant to be. It's so true about the F. mmediately because there's twelve different areas of your life when you talk about dreaming which ourselves body loves spirituality career money time home family friends fun adventure community contribution and and I read that list and I thought it just seems so daunting it was like I'm supposed to write a dream. All of these things like that that in and of itself so a little exhausting to me. You're right. That was my immediate response. I know but then I also read it and I thought yeah I can't. I cannot tell you what my dreams are and a lot of those areas at this point so obviously I need to do this. Yes and then what happens. Here's the beauty of doing okay. I know no one has to believe me but it's I swear true When you write your dreams and you connect to them spiritually emotionally and physically like okay? Like I'm sitting down in writing this. I'm looking for it. I'm following these instructions. I'm taking the time to really ask myself how to fulfill on my life's mission like what's that's my life's mission. Yeah right What no one expects? Is that when your head says you're exhausted. Did you feel exhausted when your head says I WanNa make twice as much money next year Kravitz moves to write like the world doesn't work the way we literally think it does like hammer unveil. It won't stick to the wall right. No the inner dialogue is always going to sleep. It's conjuring it's talking to itself when it's singing a song it's like A. We are so much more discourage role than we've ever known right and we don't have any access to it. We don't tap in we don't have language for it right and religion has done such a fuck up number nothing personal anyone who loves it and it's working for them with. There's there's Chris way it does it. God is outside of you prayed and get on your knees people versus that that it's inside of you. Write your spirituality your soul your love of yourself your aspirations your mission if you talk to it. It can't rule you write more people out astrology than they ask themselves. What's most important to that? I'm probably guilty of that. I didn't say I can't say don't pray. You know what I mean. Yeah coming true true. We don't have language for him. Don't force ourselves to have language inside of our flight we don't take over our inner DILAA and that we don't even hear the one that's in there and that if I literally could get you to hear the one that's in there I get you to take it over and really start to get that that is most critical place to create your life from when you say to yourself how you talk to yourself and no one understands understand that it's so relative in their right. If you decide your husband's hot you'll sleep with him tonight. Husband should have done X Y and Z. Six six months ago you're allowed to deprive him of sect and then you never wonder about your own sexuality assists all right that was really interesting and there's a lot about relationships and ships in this book and so I've seen this in my own life. I see this in my friends. Live but where you're unhappy situation yet. You are just holding owning onto the bad as the reasons why you're doing everything you're doing and you're not actually doing anything to change the nature of the relationship. Yeah and then you don't also come. I'm clean 'cause you already decided. They can't handle true right every every everyone think. Oh you know what's his face. Jack Nicholson and that new. We are Razi with what we believe. That has never hit the light of day. Yeah so you say in the book uh-huh Maybe the That you have some good news and some bad news for people and it's the part about that. Maybe it's you you know the the May be part is is just an outright lie like Hugh. It's judge you talk about that. It was always a joke. I made like originally from like. Why don't I feel loan right back in the day? Why noisy like I don't trust anyone right like why like? Oh I'm not trustworthy. Were they right like why. Don't I feel love. I don't really love anyone because I won't tell them the truth. Like Oh shit maybe. It's new ooh yeah right like and then when and then I say that I about everything I still need that tagline. Everyone be clear who. This isn't going away I one two and instead of going. It's my husband's fault. It's my kids right. I'm like maybe it's me and then you rip the maybe off like the fan base and then you go. It's me I can do something about like. What do I need to do about it? Like what do I like a good cry. I need to figure out what my dream this year I. I need to share my dream with my sixteen year. Old Daughter right like Oh shit right like nothing's fixed nothing is the way my head says it is so. That's that's why it's good news though because it's that you actually have things that you can do about your unhappiness. That is the whole like there is nothing fixed just about where I helped you know. I just You know I helped a very famous guy. I lose a hundred pounds. Wow but he like you know. And he's he's turning fifty he's never lost recommend right and he just lost one hundred pounds and he has a girl like the dream also so critical because it then gives you the what for her changing your behavior right the motivator it like and if you're not motivated to lose the weight and if you're not motivated to it's like you want like everyone wants millions of dollars no one would raise their hands but no one wants to the word right it isn't. There isn't a chicken the world that doesn't WanNa be some size you know sexier and cuter that jumps into jeans and likes to be taking we all raise our heads at that right right and then if you don't have a dream about what it is to be healthy not a vital at sexy and free. You will not do the work you will not learn to love you know spin class right like those people that are in in there have a vision for their whole life right and so some people are born with it. I certainly wasn't yeah right and so you can vote but we all have the ability and it's so we were saying earlier you know that everyone's Kinda got their shed or you've I've had your relationships like I know immediately for me when I was reading some of these James I was like right like what if you're in a relationship with an asshole or what if your parents were abusive abusive and you're not saying like Oh that's okay or oh you have no reason to be upset like it's not taking responsibility for those people's behaviors is but you're just saying to take your power back. Well you know I cropped really think that you're fat like the only thing that was you know I'll call it God given was you know what you look like your your family like your mom dad siblings you know the culture you were born into right and all of those characteristics so I do believe I believe that lineage which is the history of all of our history that we were born into that one of the most powerful shifts I I ever made is stop feeling like like who asks for the ship but like oh I asked for it like these. This is like this is my. This is what I came in here for. I came here to work on my family. My lineage. My Body my love right like so I actually believe we chose those things even though we don't remember being invited to a party because that makes sense and your gifts rain rain end but also in there is your your greatest mission fulfilling on your life. Why are you here yes? So there's like two movies that I think summit up if anybody wants to get a good laugh like two movies that mimic it. One is defending your life. It's ethically it's like goofy from the eighties. Edits Albert Brooks but pretty narrow street position in it and You know like it's a historic it's hysterical and it's a must see to get a good laugh at a perspective of of what happens after you die right okay and then the other one. That pretty much sums it up. Is Brown pocket. Wait say that again. The two movies that basically sum up like the joke of being alive are groundhog a groundhog day. Yes defending your life. Oh man whose groundhog day is. Just repeating the same thing over and over and over until you get the joke and that you'd rather you're live your best day no matter what. Yeah and feel epic regardless of it's GonNa get you nowhere except experience of the and and then the day he did care ever again that he was just going to get up and do it again like he stopped resisting same as it ever was like talking heads. Hi the date he got. That was the day it was never the same day again so it was like a catch. Twenty two beautifully done and and so i. I really really love that movie because it captures the bad joke of groundhog day in your life in my life and then defending your life is ethically thickly like you gotTa Watch it and sorry. It's a you know it's really it really nails the afterlife and it really makes fun of humans It makes fun of our level food like it has so many jokes in it that it changed my life okay. I'm definitely watch this one. You sell it like you'll get you'll get that like. Oh that's a really good way to walk on earth right. It's not not that I believe you know if you go lauren. What you bet your children's life on your spiritual notions I would say no and you will they? Why do you talk about them and have them on like because it makes life so much more President and enjoyable. Yeah and deep and so then you know I make people really you have no idea. How many people right off spirituality? Because you you know. They don't believe in religion or they are stuck in you know because they're gay because of it like they like like they're they're outcasted there. It's like so boxed in or or the Catholic priests are like everyone has like this like all bad and all of that doesn't let a person connect to their own definition of spirituality. In what is it for you and I don't think anyone like we all want to invent what it is to be a mother what it is to have money what it is to be a sister or a brother what it is to. It'd be a Fred what it is to care about your community like we're we're missing the opportunity to invent for ourselves like what life is for. We just got an I mean. Well I'm just hearing so much of you sang a of just living period. Like we have all these voices in our head or whatever you WANNA call them but we're not actually living and realizing are true like fulfilling lives let alone realizing you can take over your inner dialogue exactly well. Let's talk about that a little bit because you kind of touched on the weather stuff earlier but yeah this was. This was a kind of a while moment for me too because I think that I know somewhere internally that I let fear drive a lot of what I do but reading about what you call the chicken voice I was like Oh my God that is so. It's that it is so for me to talk about what chicken voices. Okay so there. Are you know the voice of the chicken is the voice of you. Don't say that don't Miss Hand. Why did you get it wrong? Don't tell them why you were really tell them this you know. Don't tell your friend you didn't invite because you're mad at her like if the voice of the chicken is a is always strategizing had a not get get in trouble had not upset anyone how to not hurt people's feelings how to get ahead by not. Aw telling the truth like literally glorifies hide your voice in the name of keeping other people happy I think in the book you go. The chicken is just a pussy which made me laugh out loud. It's it really is like if you watch a chicken. Should it'd be scared of everything 'cause it's GonNa get eaten by anyone rights right like the world is a bunch of predators gonna eat the chicken right. You got that and so the way we interact with the world at large is where chickens. I mean we're little were were F- like everything about us as scared of not getting what we want. What's GonNa Happen here? What am I yelled at me? What if she takes away the car? What if she so we we become liars to keep everybody else? Happy and we lose the voice of our troops l.. We don't even care about it. We're developing being the voice of the chicken so that we can get ahead and bad fear and strategizing you like you the amount people strategize and never even have great sex with her own husband because they don't want to hurt their or feelings or tell the truth about has it right. It's like you know and then we're so offer to find our own voice about what we liked like. We can't even have five sentences for our own. You know body parts right we'll be full. Might not even know again. There's no dream there's no talking about it can bay. It's chicken lot so a lot of the chicken voice. Is The people pleaser voice that we know about now it's people pleaser and it also uses your past. It uses past precedents like well. You got in trouble that time so it it feels a case. Okay right yeah and it it you know there are joke. Is that you know. It's a bunch of squatters waters. That like no what they know. And so therefore you can never have restricted their father and he's never asked that from your husband and so you have to sneak in and and you come up with all these other strategies because fundamentally you're a chicken and you believe that the other person's more important than you or you don't WanNa lose their love like there's some way you put together your boss or someone on a pedestal and your Lestat and then this is like the only way you can figure out how to not get. Did you cut out. Lauren are you say that. Say That last part. Cut Out this part about you is your boss. Had fees figure out how to get and it cut out so what happens is as we become strategists and use the voice of the chicken chicken to come up with like how to get what we want given what we believe we have there been a yell at us. They're never going to give us that day off. They don't care a ballot. You know getting credit about that so you won't say hey. I really want you to notice right like I won't even have knowledge rights right because because it so we have all these strategies of how do we get what we want. Given the way we see the world. which is there's big bad wolves everywhere gonNA eat us? Wow and then we have a brat too which is kind of like our teenage self. Almost well I am. You can imagine even just for my tone that I am. I leave way more on the bright side. Okay tell us all right. I'll do you tomorrow. I'll go to bed when I want. I'd rather starve than exercise and eat right. All I won't apologize is right. It's your fall it. I could be mean right because you hurt my feeling like I'll even tell you the truth truth without setting it up with you like very bratty immature impetuous like a like entitled right because you know like like really quite creepy Li like a like a little baby bitch right but you know I told the truth right right so you could. You could have both though it's not like you're like a chicken or a Brat it's like different wall Wentz where we can be. Both we are both. Yeah both any any time. You don't have what you really want. Whether it's the body the money the job the marriage the relationship with your kids. It's basically typically a dance between the chicken and the Brat an and today's basic behavior right like what did you do today. Well I I really wanted my kid to come with me so I took away her phone and said get my car out that work. She didn't talk to me the whole time. And then I got really pissed and then I said she couldn't go out right. Wow and what was this. All for Rhode Island better relationship right and it's all her fault right so there you know what I mean. So it's like and then blame it on teenagers so if you were coaching that person you told the story about what would you. What would be a better response or away for that person to get what they wanted and have a better relationship You would you. Would you would really share with your kid. What you're sad? Bow what you're missing. What you yearn for what you hope for four and then ask them what they yearn for hope for and then try and go? Why is it this way? What do you think it is this way? What could we do? Did you would negotiate with that. Well you never let me you don't this you don't trust me you don't like your this disciplinarian that's a jerk. I don't WanNa give you love because and I don't WanNa play with you unless I need clothing right likes. You're no fun mom right and so what could we do. That would be fun. And how could I make you happy. And how could like. How can we negotiate right? Well you know and then you start associating and you're starting to develop that relationship but you don't do it like you get in the car so forcefully contriving well like you're the parent you know because I said so right. Isn't it so interesting because I'm listening to you. Say that an isn't it so interesting to think about how how many things or relationships and our live that. Maybe the US relationships I think this is an easy example but like you probably have the same end goal but because of our sometimes inability to communicate or be open or be honest or to know our dreams remes it can fall apart completely like you. Just don't get what you want once you think you know something like I know he'll never love me the way I want. That's like one. Plus one is two any belief you have theory. You have about your husband about yourself about your career. Once you've locked it. Yeah believe that thing. Yeah no matter how much you wish it was different different. That's like painting a glass. It's still a glass no matter where it is right so the fundamental thing that I teach in the method and and I get people to go after and really see for themselves through the process is the negative beliefs. That are age old in you that unless as you change your mind and Change Your own theory and cure your theory you are going to be cruising that theory. It's the nature of the beast. One hundred percent. I agree with that I call them the stories in my head or the stories. But it's like if you decide something about someone which usually for me is based on a fear. I have like it would be a fear if they this was in fact true but if I decide it every single thing they do I I will somehow be a see. I knew it. You know. I'll use that as proof to prove whatever that's theory is ahead or that story so in Quantum quantum physics. They did a study where they shot. Like a photon out of a laser and they created created a test of like this thin little slit and they shot the Photon to see if the photon would go through the slit. And guess what it went through the slips life and then they set up the tests that they'd have to slits and they shop. The one Photon to see if the particle would split guess. What the particle split amazing? It does exactly what we think is GONNA do. Now Watch for the Kicker K ready so the control test was they had the two slits they shot the photon but they watched it on a camera. They weren't watching it in the room. Got Me like the human was not watching. Okay and the photon did not not just split into two. It's split into thousands. Oh my gosh okay. And then what they figured out. Is that a human's focus is causing the way things move so if you believe your husband's a jerk you're making him what that doesn't mean that all of it if there's you know what I mean but there's a way to which we leave something at it proves itself if you're looking for the jerk on the road you're gonNA find them looking for how your kid is in GonNa honor you. You're gonNA find him what we look for. reprove out yes I then go ahead so then the genius would be figure out what you're proving that pay. I don't WanNa prove yeah and then figure out what you wish you would prove the dreams Catcher in a dialogue and take over the Fokker and that's pretty much what this book teaches you to do that was to me. That was a really good summary of this whole experience. Yes it's really you know twenty years later of of practicing this on on humans. Yeah gene humans. Human better it's it's it's so much more fun to be alive when you believe you have that kind of leverage power. I mean it. Isn't it true I've had days where my life looked. Exactly exactly the same like could have two different days but my life looks exactly the same situations are the same they. The relationships are the same. Nothing has changed changed except my attitude. Or you know the way I'm thinking about things and I can feel two completely different ways about the same exact act scenarios. Yes exactly right. That's exactly the point so you didn't create your you don't know you could take over the like it's all automated Machi in right right birthdays like I can take over the control. I can find the control control. Dial right right just like you know you can take over like you could hold your p and then p right like like the like ladies and gentlemen let's take takeover our minds. It seems to be the wild west of the new frontier of being Trudeau ourselves. And having what we want yes so fit in goal though. Because it's not like you just do this book one time or you may ride down your dreams. One time right and you're just life is perfect so is is this a constantly evolving state for us. It's even worse than that the minute I also teach like steak so it's all states of being if you would go. Your body is a three right on a scale of one to ten. Here's how you think about your body what you say to yourself. There's the memories you use against your pass if you're in a state of three the three is pervasive so when you dream and then change your promise like event like your vision and then you realize in that vision you have to have very different you know promises about the eating and exercising and Blah Blah Blah Blah. Now pretend you lost twenty pounds. You exercise four times a week. You take weekends off love of how you're eating your so proud of yourself. Great you can either choose to maintain right like stay at eight for the rest of your life or you can pretend the eight is the new one and start from there again. Okay wait so that again and knows I needed again. Tell me again halo into ten. Yes go is yellow one to ten. I wet my marriage and my sex life is an eight I you can go well. Let's just keep doing the same thing over and over again. I love any rights right or in my method I will say when you've been at an eight you should call an eight a one. Okay so you want to start over and keep growing yes I think you we. I think humans humans came in with a bunch of problems and we're here to evolve our problem and that's the fun of being and so the more you you game the system the more you want. It's not I don't need more money. I make a nice living I vary. I not about the cars but it's about my dreaming and at pushing the envelope and having a vision right so whatever like you should every human should be having that much fun being alive. WE'RE GONNA be dead a lot longer than we're going to be alive rights right and so we get however long we get on earth and like really folks. It's smells good. It tastes good. You know there's so much to do on earth that you will never get to. Are you living and that like are you living your dreams and your beliefs of what's possible. Yeah and that's and so. When are you done with that when you're not here anymore? Yeah I'm pretty aggressive about I love. I love that because it to me all I keep hearing and what I read in the book and what my experience was doing the activities was just not that my life. If isn't good now but my life can be so much more full and I just realized that and I didn't even I wasn't fully aware of it you know Yeah but once you write it down and it's not it wasn't even a bad thing. It was a very like oh moment for me which to me is exciting like you said. I think it's super exciting. Yes yeah it's IT'S I. It's really for a type of wants to and it really works against depression and it works against you know. I had a client yesterday. Say that she very successful woman. Pray like embarrassingly successful woman. Yeah Yeah and then. What's he thanked me for is ever? Since she took over in dialogue get really unlike started doing this work. She hasn't been depressed ever again like it disappeared because she took over the narrative of everything that was depressing right like she got. Even depression was her own choice. Choice choice like anybody would sign up for it but like there was a way you can take over Utah Dialogue and really evolved past anything. Yeah well the book is called. Maybe it's you a highly recommended. It's been a very good experience for me Lauren. Where can people find you? Are you on social media media I am we are we are we are my Lord right you everywhere we are. I've we in twenty years later. We have a lot of contents out there. So the handle handout grew you know once you hit handout group you can get it. We have free. We have like we are given it away. UK Grain we we edit and our main program which is like a community we have group calls like you pay one fee? And you're in for tonight. It's called inner you and I and it's twelve sessions. Twenty five minutes each of teaching the whole method and the homework on there. And there's a you can get a buddy and meet people and there's classrooms that are all on zoom and I go on. They're like we're all like and we built a world for community across the world and and that's the book but on steroids. You mentioned that in the book because once yes you write out your dreams and Figure them out. You tell people that you want you want them to go read them to someone like a trusted person and that is so how important I believe so that it gets establishing that community. That's an awesome tool. I just wish people understood how much more fun licensed together. Yeah yeah like an an every I have never read their. It's very people that think they have enough great right and finding meeting people. You can do this with that are like looking for you too. Bright his really special. 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GSMC Health & Wellness Podcast Episode 155: Ghosts of Exercise Past

GSMC Health and Wellness Podcast

35:22 min | 2 years ago

GSMC Health & Wellness Podcast Episode 155: Ghosts of Exercise Past

"You want to be healthier? You just don't know. What to do all these shows telling you this and that, but nothing seems to work. We'll listen close. Golden State media. Cassettes has got something. Great for you. The health and wellness podcast dedicated to workout Transi eating habits. Diane everything about health you'll living. Join us in our banters as we help you not just live life to the fullest. But live it to the healthiest. Hello. And welcome to the GMC, health and wellness podcast. I'm your host Heidi. And again joined the by the fabulous. Stacey. Thank you so much for joining us. She is a previous host of the health and wellness podcast. And we are so happy to have her back just for this special episode, which is a fun and also strange cut. It makes me scared a little bit. And I'm surprised humans of made it this far. So like walking the bizarre museum. Yes. Trying to be healthy. Yes. And I realized how lazy we've always wanted to be. If you're wondering what we're talking about on this episode. We are going to be going over some strange exercise machines of the past machines a little bit of other like exercise, maybe fads or techniques. But I would say we're mostly going to be looking at some of the strange machines. And it's going to be a lot of describing of like just imagine this. That'll be a lot of what these machines are because their bizarre. It feels like as seen on TV seen on before. Tv. How did you advertise? These things before television. I don't know. I don't know how you could advertise it and have people believe that that was a good idea. Well that now, but I feel like at least like the shake weight, which seems ridiculous. But you can see someone use it. And you're like, well, that's probably not gonna hurt me. And then some of these and you're like that could very well. Hurt me. Yes. Because they're bizarre. No pain no game. I don't subscribe to that by the way. But I'm just thinking thought process and. Nineteen twenties thought process. There looks like a lot of pain and not so much gain. Especially with the first one because this is a strange machine that I feel like in some odd part of my brain. I had like I knew existed had never really studied. And this is the vibrating exercise belt, which is basically a machine that you stand on like a little tiny platform kind of looks like a scale and then around your body or your leg or your arm or whatever body part you feel needs to lose weight. You put this band around you, and the whole thing just vibrates and our whole body, and these are very interesting because I remember seeing this years ago, and like old film clips or whatever where you'd see like chubby women just standing there being jiggled. I don't what is the supposed to be doing? They were trying to lose weight and this machine was actually invented in eighteen fifty by a Swedish physician, call Dr Gustav Zander, and it didn't really become fashionable to the early nineteen thirties. But he invented it long before I thought anyone. Yeah. I guess people have been trying to lose weight forever. Really? If that teaches us anything also Dr Gustav Zander will come up later, he has invented a fair amount of exercise machine sounds like a traveling magician. He does or like zander's snake oil like it just sound like one of those like, you're not real like he comes up in a circus van to your town and starts trying to sell you strange products. Right. It's that's not your real name. And I don't believe you're real doctor. But what's that? He has a moustache. He twists when he tried to you about its vibrating machine. There's somehow Sean and even though you should know better. Exactly. He probably had to be a good salesman for any of these to get off the ground yet. He tried to market it because it's like, oh, it's just like shaking, and again, you don't have to move to lose weight. But the idea was apparently that it would loosen the fat on your body to like flush it away. Just like, you know, shaking off and from an ad in nineteen fifty eight. It said it is this speeded up motion of your tissues three. Thousand two hundred times a minute that aids and fast effective spot reduction that actually helps trimmed down the size of your measurements. Whether it embarrassed wherever it embarrasses you most. And this is we see this still even now like gloom, you know, gels that would work on certain areas or freeze away. And I'm like, wow. This is a this is a very human trait for some reason. Yeah. It definitely made me think about how I'm being sold products. Now. Yes. Same tactics tactics. Also, I did read a BuzzFeed article about a girl like nowadays and contemporary time who bought one of these like exercise machines EBay, and then tried to use it to see if she could lose weight and she actually gained a pound. I think. Wait like fluctuated like normal, and then she ended up gaining. I'm more surprised that she could plug it into the wall. And have it work nowadays a collector item, you know, they had the same plugs in nineteen thirty or eighteen fifty they do now actually went into the fifties. And sixties, I think. Yeah. People still use them. Yeah. It's crazy. It frightens me. She said that it didn't help. But she tried to use it for other things like shaking like the little protein shakes. That'd be great just like she'd find other things in the shaker and see if it would help them. Knock a lot of things over. But it was pretty funny. Another very this one to me is one of the most frightening tortured. Terrifying. It is called the Moby revolving hammock, which again, imagine a hammock like with like the two bars coming out, and then between them is this strap almost but not like a normal ham. Extrap- it's what you would be strapped into. There's a part for your head that brings it up and then apart for your legs. So looks like right. You're like upper torso is just sort of laying on its own. And so you're putting all the strain on your neck, and it's like if you laid stomach down on a hammock and then cut out the top quarter. Yeah. Like, if you just had two people one person grab your head and the other person your feet, and they of hung you there. Exactly hung out to dry uncomfortable. I mean how they tried to sell. It is they said if you suffer from lower back pain. This will help the advertisement that I saw it said make your spine young. No. No. Terrifying. Addams family house. Yes. It sounds awful. Apparently, it helps just for a healthful existence. I don't know how that is. But it just stretches out your spine. It just suspends you between two harnesses terrible. It feels like when people would torture other people by like you would get tied or limbs horses and they'd run in different directions. This sounds almost like that like. Have you heard of that on a drawn and quartered? Yeah. Yeah. It sounds like a mild version of that. Like you're being stretched out in that way. It sounds terrifying. I don't know how anyone could see this picture, and I should buy that. We'll see all these pictures, even though I know that some of them have to be in the nineteen hundreds. They all feel very Victorian. Yes. Then the Victorian era, fills, very straight laced. And we don't talk about anything. But we also repress all our feelings. And I'm like, I kind of see it then. Yeah. Then Victorian house you like to spend yourself on a hammock plumbing type thing. Yes. Yeah. And this one actually is Victorian extra machine. The next one. This is the abdominal machine which is another invention of Dr Gustav Zander, and it's it can kind of be considered an early version of the app blaster because you have a series of cogs and fly wheels and the machines user withstand their wine to handle, and that would cause the machine's rollers to circulate over your stomach, and apparently just give you washboard ads, and like the picture I saw was a guy in a suit, but the mustache fanning there and have little like wheels turn around his stomach gonna remember that like workout. Whereas thing was not really thing. Title of you know, it's so funny looking at like old pictures of especially women working out. And I'm just like, okay. The thing you're wearing to quote, unquote. Get sweaty would be like a nice outfit for me. If I wanted to like dress up on a weekend. I don't okay fine. Ever. So this as as opposed to the vibrating, at least you have to kind of move little year winding at yourself as opposed to just standing there. So you're probably not actually working out your apps, but maybe some arms the arms every once in a while, you know, use the other one to crank it with good form. Hopefully, maybe something about it would help you. But it's just the idea of like again like things would just kind of move like machine parts would just move and like somehow wipe away the fat. I I I mean, we're still I want that science only that could work. These are clearly your failures you need to learn from but science, please get on this. I would like it very much coming onto another one that just was supposed to move the fat off. You is the Kellogg's fat roller on this was in the nineteen forties. It was a machine that promised a slender body. And it was invented by Dr John Harvey Kellogg who invented the cornflakes Kellogg family on all of these cereals. Yeah. He's a weird guy. This. Wasn't actually that's a pricing because I knew about Kellogg's. Well, yeah. Okay. And it could it's almost like the world's first foam roller. But it looks way more dangerous to use the machine works by rotating, a motorized drum that is covered in relatively soft like foam balls, and then women would just like come to the machine and put whatever body part. They wanted to make slender on the machine and then just like stay there for a couple of minutes. Like, I saw them in a picture of a woman like her whole body draped over this machine as it just rolled foam like on her whole, torso. This is just a strange image in my head. I don't quite get even with that one. How you would think that would work. But yeah, I mean, he probably you know, he had a good publicity from him the cornflakes which was also supposedly invented for health reasons. Like, I guess if you're like, hey, the cornflakes visit must work, right? I feel like. Like, they didn't have to Tesla's products back then the only way to get this through. I mean, there may have been an FDA, but they were not dealing with the phone not at all. They just gave the FDA cornflakes. And they were like, yeah. Sure. Whatever right. Exactly. We'll approve it. He's got a free pass for the next ten years. I know God such a weird, man. Anyway, we take a quick break. And then we'll be right back and keep talking about some strange exercise machines. Still on the search of that one true love on the limbo in this crazy world of dating marriage relationships. Well, listen to the Golden State media concepts relationship podcast, your one stop podcast for everything about relationships. Welcome back to the health and wellness podcast. We are continuing to talk about some strange exercise machines and tactics of the past the next one is one that I have like as Stacy mentioned like those video clips of women like having weird exercise machines around them like the vibrating one. This is one that I have seen before it is called these slenda massager, which when I typed into Google kept wanting meted find slender man, which is definitely not what? This is like what they would put in gyms like modern gyms, but they're those gyms were they couldn't have been true. Not at all. They called them slender rising salons, they were just ally. Because this slenda massager definitely did not help like they probably had the exercise the vibrating machine. Oh, yeah. And no one lost. Anyway, they just came in like had their bodies vibrated. Well, not I'm thinking of the scene foam, the women, which is this old film from the thirties, which they have us along like this, and the salon does everything like people go there to get manicures and get their hair done, but also to write exercise bikes and do exercise classes, and this feels like that sort of slim rising salon where people and mostly it's the woman go there to talk. Not even doing any exercise whatsoever. But while you're not exercising. You might as well. At least have the dream of. Oh, I'm getting slender because the machines doing it. Right. Exactly. As you go into the slender massager and have like these like, the spring loaded cage, basically, loosen your fat. And if you're wondering, this is like you stand up on a platform, and you are surrounded with almost looks like a very like easy to escape cage. Basic, and you have these like springs, and they like go up and down on your body. They just like move and like rub away the fat apparently besotted off, and it's going to go up and down in like turn on your body. It's very strange. These were also from the nineteen forties. And I mean, a lot of women tried them. I don't know. I mean, I guess I don't know if you'd like keep trying it. And then you're like, none of us are losing weight. Oh, well, I mean. They're not the defensive Kellogg Zander, whoever we're inventing these into the fence of the women the sports bra as it is not even invented to like the nineteen seventies. And that was from sewing jock straps together to that was the first sports bra. So it's not like women actually have the ability to go out and do like heavy aerobic exercises. And if you see the picture of the cinemas or they're standing on the platform and heels, there's only so much. I can do in the close your allowing me to wear and get I wanna get fit. So. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. That's true. We did not have spandex. We've really. Yeah. True. I can't imagine working out and other types of outfits, I can barely imagine jeans without spandex like I have some that they feel very stiff, but I love my jeans that have spandex in them. Yes. For sure Jake great. Also the next machine. This is kind of weird. This is the horse writing simulator. Granted these are all weird there on the horse racing simulator is like if you want to write a horse, but you don't want to actually ride horse. You know, like, you don't actually want to go outside an exercise, you just kind of want to pretend that you're outside fan or something to make it feel like you were riding a horse. And like again, this is all these machines people really have never wanted exercise like at all. Because even if you're writing a horse it gets exercise, but you're also still kind of sitting. Yeah. This isn't even like doing that. This is a step below that. I'm gonna play I'm gonna play elegant women's advocate here. Okay. Yet. Again, I imagine this. This was originally credit for like winter training. You can't go out in the winter when it's raining and snowing whatever invite a horse to catch your death and the Monja or something, but you want to stay in good shape for when the summer comes around you get back on the horse. So you've got to have the winter training. I don't do sports. So I only even know when training is. But that sort of thing, you know, schrool stay in shape for when you can actually do the real thing. How best can we sort of fake it? True. I could see that you know, if you don't like horses, you just want to pretend that you allergic. Right. You really write a horse, but you're allergic. This is wonderful. This is just for you. This is for you. This is a machine basically it had like a saddle which you would sit on. And then it was just connected to like different levers and police basically, it kind of looks like. What are those like the electric bulls? Yeah. Kind of like that. But just much more mild. So just kinda like still moves sort of any. We're supposed to like it was supposed to tone up your thighs because like you were still trying to hold onto a saddle like, you do a horse, and maybe you like supposed to like, I don't know. Engage your muscles like occasionally, right and doing a good form pretend like you were trotting or something I don't know pretend posting on a saddle maybe occasionally like like kicking the horse to engage your legs. I don't know allegedly allegedly slender is your body. But I'm not sure this could at least be fun fun. The next one is again by doctors enter Cicely back at it. Again. This is the zender Neely machine, which sounds bad. It's probably not what you're thinking. Dr Gustav Zander sounds like a weird guy. This sounds like a super villain. Yes. After healing machine. Oh, yeah. It sounds really bad. It kind was like the kind of Kuban you'd see it again ecology st- you like sit back and it supposed to does. It's supposed to strengthen your knees and hips through like waited cables. Okay. So you would sit down and like, basically these like cable things would be connected to your knees, and you would come to flex like bring your basically you'd have to like open and close your legs. So I wouldn't do do that machine. While I looking at someone right like they'll make contact. Although ironically version of this is still popular in gyms today. But you may know, what is like a sitting abductor machine, which again is meant to work out your inner and outer thighs, and it does actually strengthen your thighs again while you open and close them like connected to weights. So it does work. It's just his version looked really awkward again. It was a guy in a suit like with these weird things dropped to his knees. At least on the positive of the modern version it never I've used it. Couple of times. I never once thought about being an gynecologist chair, which is not my favorite place to be. So it's got that plus going we've improved it away from that. Because the one the modern when you're sitting straight up right version, you're like tilted back. You know, like, it's just worse. It's worse in that position. Yeah. So they've improved it in that sense, which I'm glad yes, another one is one that you recognize this is it's early early ancestor. This is the wooden treadmill? And it was originally invented I believe to train dogs. And then they were like, well you men's this too. Dogs could walk and go out into like train them and whatnot. So they made it for humans, but it was wouldn't want. So it's not the modern tread Bill that we know now and a lot of pictures. I saw women using them. They ran heels again didn't have work at we're no terrible. Terrible. And like it would it's like just the treadmill? Now, it looks like the the part that you'd walk. I was a little bit shorter more dangerous, and like the handles were just like flimsier the looks like ski poles that too. To slowly walk kind of inclined to their bit of an incline. So I don't know. I don't know how you do that in heels because they were just like wouldn't planks what if your he'll slip between the planks? Horrified. I admire women back in the day walking around in heels period like women who walked to work, and it was like, you know, not a ten minute walk. But like right several miles, and you only had heels you didn't really have too many flat options. Wow. Wow. The bunions, but they actually they actually do have something similar to this. It's hard to find. But my mother did actually buy it kind of on accident. And I don't think she realized what it was. But there are treadmills that aren't powered where it just moves as he walked on it. There's no in. Yeah. Kind of. It's just it's a belt on a thing. And it only moves when he walked in. There's no on button, and you just get on it and walk, and it has a bit more resistance, but they out there somewhere. I can actually see one where there's just more resistance like feel like that would be probably helpful or for you know, if you're out in off the grid, but yet still wanna get your instead of going on walking in the woods. Because clearly, it's how can we say inside and exercise. Oh, just the treadmill that doesn't need electric city that works back in the day, the treadmill with no TVs to watch right? What? Place talk who did that the next machine is a little bit Righetti a little bit more modern. We're going to the sixties. This is the vibrio massage machine which apparently back in the day. There's exercise equipment to go for cardio and resistance training. But then you could also get a massage a vibrio massage which was considered the mechanical wonder in quotes that apparently was a grueling way to lose weight. Even for some that like couldn't really do other things like he couldn't be super active. You could just get this weird massage thing like at the gym, right? It just looks like again people trying to shake weight off. Like this weird thing you'd roll over your body that was like powered and it would like vibrate. Essentially, I feel we're gonna get there someday the shake weight off actually literally physically shake the weight off. We're going to get there some way somehow it's clearly the goal we've been going towards this whole time. I feel like shaking the weight off could just be like running. But then we were like that's too hard. You're moving. We're gonna do this differently. You're actually not staying in place with wire guess. At a treadmill. But still yeah. I don't know we it's all it's all in your head. It's just a mental game. Right. The next one is going more modern just for a second back to the nineteen ninety s it is the master the five master's actually a bit older than the nineties, isn't it potentially? I don't know. I. Shaded with like the late seventies and eighties. I don't know why. Oh, potentially. I feel like this was very popular in the nineties possibly, but it could have been around before apparently in the nineties. It was just the best way to get slim thighs, and it was easy to use. Because you just put it between your legs. And then squeeze you could just be sitting. You didn't have to even stand and it was marketed by Suzanne Somers, it was a huge success and NBC news reported that she stopped counting. How many she sold after? She hit ten million units was one of the first big sort of by on TV sort of things wasn't up. Yup. It was big. And she sold a lot. So good for Zan summers. Who I see ads all the time? Still right. I did when I had cable, and you can still find this because I saw in stores just this past Christmas season, they had this like workout kits one aimed at your ABS and one aimed at your legs with like different. It was like four different. Or five different things. And I remember the legs one had like the resistant spans, but the ones that are looped not the ones that are loose on the ends and the slightest so you could do like squats on carpet. Oh, yeah. Anaheim Aster, they didn't call it a master. But it was a fine master still like, wow that. That's okay. All right there. You can still get it. If you want, and we're gonna take another break, and then we'll be back and finish up episode about strange exercise machines in the past. Tired of searching, the vast jungle of podcasts. Nell, listen close. And here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching, the Golden State media concepts podcast network is here. Nothing less than podcast bliss with endless hours of podcast, covered from news sports, music fashion entertainment fantasy football so much more. So stop flirted around and go straight out to the Golden State media concepts podcast network, guaranteed to fill that podcast, whatever it may be. Visit WWW dot GS MC podcast dot com. Follow us on Facebook and Twitter and download on itunes soundcloud and Google play. Welcome back to the health and wellness podcast. We are continuing to talk about the workout machines of the past. And the next one is one that I remember I would say is close to my heart. It was also close to my home because we had one. This is the Nordic track. Classic. Pro skier. And it was it was large. It was cumbersome it kind of made strange noises, but it was especially popular in the seventies. And it's like an aerobic machine. Sort of like you're skiing, but you're not going anywhere. And it was almost like you're cross country skiing from the safety of your home, and you can still purchase one today in sort of like the elliptical but more of a swinging action and more of a sliding skiing action. I wonder if this is also been the goal not just to shake off weight, but how do every sport indoors? Basically, EMMY, you've got the horse writing. This was decades before the we so we couldn't have the imaginary. You know, playing golf I'm playing whatever. So we've gotta have the large. I wanna ski inside. It's actually too cold to actually go out and ski even though skiing is slowly a winter sport. So how can I do that not be cold? It's like you could do it inside your home with windows looking out into the snow and pretend or you could do it in July when there was no snow. If you're like, I really wanna go skiing or if you live in Miami. There's no now, but I really wanna go skiing. There you go. That's what it's for. We actually. When I was growing up my dad had one because we had this like neighborhood day where you could put out like trash, but like bigger items that you didn't want any more and like a like a donation coming to come pick it up. And so my dad was like I found a skied machine and lugged it back to our house and like sat on our porch. Which is the most embarrassing thing for so long. I saw at once see I would wanna be that. Like strange weird neighborhood dad who would just be out in the king as a kid. As a kid. Can you imagine like looking at known seen someone like trying to lug a fake ski machine up the street taking it out of your trash? You got it that it was on the for reason they were getting it for reason. That was my dad I mean, but he was also a scared. But you know, again, he did it in the summer. Right. Cross training your something. So I'm getting sports some I feel yes, there's some. This is one another one that is really kind of scary sauna suits which were around in the eighties. And they're like, basically sweatsuits popular is probably the rise by pro wrestlers who aimed to make their weight class by losing pounds by like sweating, and they wanted to do it like they could wear them even while exercising to increase their weight loss. But unfortunately, the suits that would just increase your sweating. They could also cause dehydration because you're just losing so much water. So they became dangerous and people stopped using them, except they really didn't. I mean 'cause you'll still see people do this. And I actually I do not at all. Remember why I had a coach when I played soccer when I was younger who as part of our starting the season warm-up made us put on trash bags black Amax to basically do the same sort of thing and run around the field. And it's just like seriously why and I mean, yeah, we sweated a lot. But it was also very. Miserable awful. But I think you definitely especially people who are doing some sort of sport. And it's like the beginning of season training. You will see people at least with the trash bags on because it's probably hard to find an extra Lassana suit nowadays, but hating anywhere pack. Yeah. So why not? Yeah. But no you're sweating. I mean, at least I feel like the trash bag is bad. It's a little bit lighter. Because looked really heavy. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, that's bad. Anyway, though, you shouldn't do that. I don't encourage please don't the next one is were coming into the early two thousands. This is the Hawaii chair the whole life interesting. This game was like an infomercial product and. Has really nothing to do with Hawaii. It like it was a it was called a fat burning aerobic workout that will like shape and tone your ABS, but you just sat in a moving chair like what would happen is. You would like you would just sit down. And then the seat of the chair like where you're go. Not while you're back would go would move. It would almost just like for lack of a better term like gyrate in a circle like your whole. Okay, body would just like go around and like in a house that rotate even supposed to I don't get how that supposed to be work because it was like you're the bottom half of your body would move. But then you would of like it was like a desk chair like would rest your eyes on the arms of the chair. So it was almost like you're trying to keep the top part of you state and the bottom part of you would rotate which somehow worked out your ABS like if you've seen videos birds where their head will not move. They even if Bob their body underneath them like that was the idea. They. Okay. There's also a really funny video of Rob Lowe, and Ellen Degeneres using these chairs on the Ellen show. It's really humorous Hawaii to get into shape for your trip to the way. Maybe while you're working at work because we don't have time to go to the gym, even though they've got interface sport machine here. I could never have accomplishment. Someone who was in a Hawaii chair that would be so here. Could not cut straight. No. Another one that I wanna talk about this is not an exercise machine. But this is one that I remember this is the tai-bo workout videos from the nineteen nineties. Yeah. Remember these? So for those of you who are somehow strangely. Young enough to not know what this is. The workout craze before Zuma. Yes. Like, everyone wasn't. And I remember double time. He was always so sweaty. I mean, all I was like after five minutes. I was like, no, no, no. It was like the hardcore workout video that everyone followed. It was like start. I guess you could say Billy banks. He created this fitness craze. And it was like aerobics and kick boxing, and it would be like in nine hundred gear. So like bright colors left spandex, lots of spandex and like like reeboks, and you would like just do follow along what he was doing boxing. He was really sweaty. I had to do these in PE clash which was so embarrassed when it would rain, and we couldn't go outside when we didn't have our Nordic ski machine, right? We were just inside the gym. And they would just do a projection of of tai-bo like on the big screen, and we all had to do it in like middle school. It was the most embarrassing thing ever. And I don't even remember if these videos are hard because I was too occupied by how stupid I? Looked right feel like all of us. Just tried to not do it without getting in trouble for just like talking to each other while the video played. I remember double time was very hard. It was hard. He would have a part where you do it twice as fast like, no. And he was like not I feel like he wasn't mean. But he was just so energy. Right. I was like dude nobody including the rest of the people in your video is as pumped as you are. It's impossible. Please stop. Yeah. Also, apparently, my friend told me that he was also popular in Japan. But it was tai-bo was Billy's bootcamp, and it was like similar him. But for a Japanese audience. Okay. So I don't know they were really popular the nineteen nineties. What time? Well. Yeah. The nineties great, but the nineties world, so crazy. Yes, they're very strange. So we're going to end with that. I hope you can maybe find some of these machines online. They're collectible if you wanna buy the money bay, and you can still watch tai-bo if you want to partake in that maybe do some rainy day exercises in your home. Hopefully don't. On your porch reports if you want if you want to be holiday head. Reenact much out to the Nordic ski on the porch. So many exercise Trump. I do I really do. Thank you so much for listening, and I hope you can tune into the next health and wellness episode. You've been listening to the Golden State media concepts. Have and wellness podcast part of the Golden State media concepts podcast. 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How to Put a Value on Your Business (Hour 2)

The Dave Ramsey Show

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How to Put a Value on Your Business (Hour 2)

"Yeah <music> from the headquarters of ramsey solutions broadcasting broadcasting from the dollar car rental studios. It's the dave ramsey. Show that is don king in the paid off home. Mortgage has taken the place b._m._w. As the status symbol of choice i'm dave ramsey your host. Thank you for joining us open phones at triple eight eight two five five five two two five. That's triple eight eight two five five two two five starting off. This hour is o._b. And marilyn hi hi o._b. How are you hi <hes> mr ramsey blessing having you in in our lives well thank you sir <hes> on my wife and nighy trying to decide between doing a basement property <hes> trying to push chanel a space rental and <hes> we're. We're trying to decide between that and paying off our debts. I have thirty one dollars an student loan debt and she has about thirty in actually twenty in in credit cards. <hes> <hes> objective was trying to get into a positive cash flow and turning you know get. They had the space generating income as much as possible. That'll make us <hes> more disposed to saving and <hes> uh being financially independent gotcha okay so what's your household income <hes> hundred and sixty thousand i was in soon to increase once i'm done with my my shirts okay and so when will that be and how much will be the increase. <hes> anticipation is to have their early next year. I'm doing a c._c._n. P which is yeah. It's quite difficult. <hes> whenever up that up and it might go up an extra forty thirty okay show in january you're making two hundred thousand give or take right and your sixty thousand dollars in debt yes so you should be able to plow through that debt in that year. He pretty easy right. Yes okay so a year from now approximately with one sixty going up to two hundred after the first of the year not counting the basement. You would be debt free so that's kind of an that's definitely a track. We're gonna be on not. What are you talking about spending to get the basement ready to rent <hes> about forty thousand. I have a certain thurgood connection and that's what i was trying to take advantage up before you know it well. Do you have any <hes>. Do you have any money saved. That's the thing yes we do and it's just i've thought enough to get the depths down you too so maybe just twenty okay. She have about forty thousand saved. Yes okay all right so if you put the forty thousand on the debt you would be debt free by the end of the year and then you would save up and do the basement with cash after you. Have your emergency fund in place of three. He just six months of expenses. That's what i would do. If i woke up in your shoes i understand you may lose this connection this person who's needing wanting to do the the job reasonably right now <hes> but when you buy something that you can't afford we can't call it a bargain and while you're sitting with debt. I'm i'm not gonna be doing this baseman improvement. If i'm in your shoes and of course you called <hes> so i way i answer questions. What would i do if i woke up in your situation relation making one sixty getting ready to make two hundred. I got forty in the bank. I got sixty in debt. I'm gonna plump. The forty down on the debt <hes> pay off the credit cards pay off a bunch bunch of the student loans. Knock out the rest of it by the end the year. My income's going to go up. I'm gonna put my -mergency fund in place over the next couple of months of three to six months of household household expenses and then. I'm gonna save the forty thousand dollars an increase into the basement. If you want a renter in your basement and that's a decision you you get to make read is with us in alabama. Hi read welcome to the dave ramsey show. Hey how you feel today better than i deserve sir. How can i help up so i am twenty three and <hes> my wife and nine have <hes> about one hundred forty thousand student loans together there <hes> and we are paying it off as versace's and as we can <hes> but i think that some of our interest rates are kinda high. We have some variable interest rates as well as six and i'm curious. At what point do you think we should consolidate like. How bad is too bad of interest rates well. If you can save money on the interest on student loan and you can go from variable rate to fixed rate and you can go from from a higher fixed rate to lower fixed rate then that's when consolidation is in order now the the question is you gotta go through the hassle of fooling with all of this. How how much is it actually going to save you in real dollars when you do that and for how many years how long are you going to be in debt. What's the total of your student loan debt. It's one hundred forty forty thousand okay and what's your household income. <hes> take homer salaries salaries. What what's your gross income for the year for the whole household bonuses. Everything probably just <hes> hungered. My wife just got a job recently <hes> so probably about a hundred so in the coming twelve months you guys who make a hundred thousand bucks yeah and then taxes out of that obviously it's understanding understand okay so what in the world who who got who got the expensive degree <hes> we both did <hes> we you weren't smart with our money and we didn't <hes> we didn't hear about until after we well i guess right before we got married right after we graduated <hes> <hes> so we've just been trying to be zelin tents and make up for stupidity gotcha okay so what are your degrees in <hes>. I'm a mechanical orange near and she's a elementary teacher. Okay so you just overpaid for the degrees. All yeah okay pretty much. Okay all right so we got one one hundred forty thousand dollars to clean up making a hundred and so i mean i just do big numbers around here so if you did fifty a year for <hes> three years you'd be debt free sorry during that during that three years and that's that's beans and rice rice and beans and you're not having any life and you're probably hoping to see some increases during the time to actually make that work so you have a three year journey at least maybe a little bit more now if you save one percent on one hundred forty thousand bucks you say fourteen eighteen hundred dollars a year if you did that for three years 'cause you wouldn't have that much out for three years because you're reducing it every year but we're talking about a <hes> a five thousand dollar our savings through that period five thousand dollars does not solve your one hundred and forty thousand dollars problem but if you send me five thousand dollars i'll take it yeah so it it isn't it isn't the answer to the issue the answer the issue beans and rice rice and beans but it'd be nice to not give them an extra five thousand dollars during this three two years that you're doing this and that's if you saved only one percent during that time. I don't know what you'll save can only find that out once you find out what the conveyed is. They're offering you on the consolidation. Compare that to your existing rates and certainly compared to your adjustable. You wanna get rid of those things for sure does that represents increased increased risk good question man appreciate your listening. This is the dave ramsey show account. The study showed that over fifty percents of people think that the cost of term life insurance is triple what it actually costs. This must be why so many people still don't take care of this crucial responsibility. Trust me term. Life rates are just plain cheap cheapen. It costs nothing to get a quote. The only place i trust and personal use zander insurance call eight hundred three five six forty two eighty two or visit zander hander dot com. It's more audible than you think and you need to get this done. That's zander dot com <music>. <music> charlotte is with us in georgia. Hi charlotte welcome to the dave ramsey. Show thank you day is a pleasure to talk with you. Look question regarding purchasing a home. I am sixty five and <hes> retired schoolteacher and on have <hes> i bid of assets probably around seven hundred thousand dan and my question is should i take money from my retirement savings to purchase home or should i <hes> actually take out a mortgage okay <hes> well congratulations. You've done very very well. Do you own a home now i do not i am renting now. What price range homer we're talking about. <hes> probably around two fifty two fifty <hes> maybe two seventy five the market is so <hes> <hes>. I just think it's you know so pricey right now. Should i just sit back and wait for a while and continue to rent or or if i do purchases tom. Oh you know how to do it. I would buy and i would pay cash. Here's the here's my reasoning and and then you can decide if that makes sense to you okay but <hes> number one. I would buy because your most expense your biggest expense expense in your monthly budget is housing and as a renter the cost of housing is going to do nothing between now and ninety five years old the next thirty years for you but go up so you can't control your largest expense as renter and that's a dangerous scenario for your budget. It'll each your budget alive over the years a little trip at a time but it'll it'll eventually get there to where there's an eight hundred pound gorilla sitting on your checkbook <hes> so i i definitely want to own to stabilize freeze the cost of my largest expense in in my monthly budget housing now. The reason i pay cash is i can't imagine spending your retirement years paying paying a mortgage at just is it's just an i just. I can't think of anything more horrible so i. I want you to be completely debt. Free sorry not do you have a teacher's retirement coming in social security in addition to the income off of your stick <hes> actually i'm not amusing my nest egg at all. I have a pinch son and <hes> and i have just started this share since i turned sixty five curious which i have <hes> what is your monthly income now <hes> my monthly being calm <hes> is take home sixty two hundred okay and you're just living on that without touching touching the nest egg right and how much is your rent thirteen hundred okay and so you'd have an extra thirteen hundred dollars wiggle room in your budget budget and you still would not be touching your nest egg in <hes> by the time you're seventy two if that five hundred thousand that's left over after we buy two hundred thousand is not our house is invested in good mutual funds it you it would be worth around a million by you not touching it in just letting you grow for seven years will approximately double if you have it in good mutual funds during that time and that's exactly would be my plan so in your seventies early seventies you have a paid for two hundred thousand dollar house that truthfully probably will be worth three hundred to four hundred by then an and you'd have about a million dollars in your nest egg and all this time you're still living on six thousand dollars a month <hes> and having a pretty good life because you got not a single bill out of that mine. I don't have any debt so you wouldn't even have ripped payment anymore with we. We're talking about all right so that's what i'm doing. I'm going to write a check and pay cash. I don't think i would buy a home any more expensive than what you're talking about. So three hundred is your cap. <hes> no i i want. I want to cheat down towards two hundred as much as i can just to give you tons and tons and tons of margin tons of room but <hes> that's. That's your projected future. If you would do what what i teach you to do what i do with my money as well <hes> and i'm just slightly younger than you so it's exactly how my money's invested and <hes> but i think in a great place to live off the pension in the social security kirti with no rent you'd have the <hes> you'd have property taxes and insurance so you don't say the entire thirteen hundred but <hes> because you got those whether you have debt or not sure don't have a mortgage payment monthly and i'm and then you just allow that money that nest egg to continue to grow over over there even if you're not adding to it it's going to double you know in about seven eight years something like that <hes> if you're making in that eleven to a twelve percent range which is what the stock market has averaged and again invested in good mutual funds that have outperformed the averages of the stock market if you don't have that what do you need to sit down with one of our smartvestor pros. Click smartvestor at daveramsey dot com if you wanna connect up with them. They don't work for me but when you type in your information it'll drop down a list of the people in your area. That are the ones that do stuff the way i teach <hes>. It's how they handle. Their clients is the way okay i teach and so you're gonna find them to have the heart of a teacher and you will select among many of them as i drop down. Which one when you think is best for you if you don't currently have someone helping you with those investments. You did a great job charlotte very proud of you good job all right. Jake is with us in oregon. Hi jake welcome to the dave ramsey show. Hey <hes> dave thanks for having me. How's it going better than i deserve sir. How can i help okay well so i will be starting school. This fall and i just had a child over the summer and we'll have have to either pay out of pocket. Go to score or take out loans and extremely against loans but my partner things that it's either bat or will probably end up being behind on certain bills so could you help me out and see how could take care of the the tuition cost zhou so i'll be graduating <hes> after this semester along with my partner and our income will go up significant amount. That's wonderful news. Okay so you only have one semester to graduate and then your degree will be in what <hes> mine's in business management <hes> and <hes> working now yes i am. I work full-time. Okay and what do you make. I make about forty two years ear okay and what. What does your partner make. She makes about <hes> twelve thousand a year okay kinds so she's not working much. No <hes> you know might even be a lot might even be less than that she. She's she's with her with her baby. Majority take time <hes> okay all right <hes> well what i'm gonna do if i'm in your shoes i'm gonna do. I'm gonna avoid student loan debt. I'm not going to borrow money to do this. Okay so <hes> i'm going to sit down and the two of you jump on everydollar dot com and get the everydollar budget out and begin to lay out a monthly budget and what can i sell. What kind of extra work can i do. <hes> before school starts. What can i go crazy and just earn some money right quick. You know just going. I mean just working a hundred hours a week for a short period of time i would pay a tremendous price of sacrifice of time and lifestyle to not go into student loan debt and cash flow my way through this if i were in your shoes shoes. I've never told anyone in thirty years of being on the air to take out a student loan ever and i really think you you can do it but i really think you're going to sacrifice like you have never sacrificed in your life and i think it's going to be really good for you. You're a price to finish his degree and it's gonna be sweetness on your incomes go up and the degrees in the rear view mirror. 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Up to the match and then put the rest in a roth. I have sixty thousand dollars in my 4._0._1._k. Now would would i not be better off putting more money in there because of the compounding interest i feel like if i start putting money into a roth it would take a long time to grow cody cody if you have seventy thousand dollars invested ten thousand into a roth and sixty thousand into a 4._0._1._k. Or seventy thousand dollars in your 4._0._1._k. If it is growing at the same rate of return whether whether it's separate or together it's going to grow at exactly the same rate. Seventy thousand dollars invested ten in and sixty or in one lump grows at exactly the same rate assuming the growth rates isn't so if you're if you had the the exact same mutual funds in your roth that you had in your 4._0._1._k. In other words you do not lose compounding by having ten accounts versus one account. All ten of them are compounding and together. They're compounding at exactly to the penny the same rate of compounding as if they were in one pile the only difference is you just have to add it all together to see it but it's there so you're not not getting you're not disadvantaged by having more than one investment account unless one of them is under performing but i'm i'm saying you don't lose compounding. That's not compounding works so here's the thing let's just kinda only walk it through k. Seventy thousand dollars at at ten percent would grow in one year by seven hundred dollars now seven thousand dollars. I'm sorry seventy thousand dollars at ten percent would grow in one year by seven thousand dollars on your 4._0._1._k. Okay if instead you had sixty thousand in your 4._0._1._k. And ten thousand in your roth and they both grew at exactly the same rate ten percent the sixty thousand would grow by six thousand the ten thousand would grow by one thousand the one thousand and and the six thousand added together are seven thousand exactly the same as if it was in one pile the next year when it compounds ounce and you get growth on the growth interest on the interest the next year get interest on the interest on the entrance growth on the growth and the growth the exact same thing occurs again can't so that's not how the mathworks the idea that if you separated you lose the f- of compounding interest the total role is still the same. The cumulative amount is still exactly the same ad is with us in new jersey. Hey ed welcome to the dave ramsey show. Hey how you doing better than i deserve. What's up all right well. My wife and i were talking about some home improvement and and we had a question <hes> right now we have about seventeen years left seventeen years left on our mortgage one hundred sixty six thousand dollar balance and we're paying four point seven seven five percent interest and we're looking to refinance <hes> into a fifteen year mortgage and the current rate quoted to us from our local bank was two point eight seven five and we're looking to take about thirty thousand to do some much needed repairs or a roof and windows <hes> some things that we needed in the house <hes> <hes> that are definitely needed to be done and we were just wanting to know if if that was a wise way to do it if <hes> all things considered they come out about equal or <hes> what your thoughts were. What's your household income <hes> my wife and i together gross income is around one hundred and forty one hundred and fifty thousand <hes> <hes> i would do the refinance. I would not do the cash out for the repairs. I would cash flow the repairs out of your budget okay. I don't want you going further in debt that to do household repairs okay and if it takes you to your fifteen one year fifteen and other year you'll still get it done. You probably could do thirty in one year of your old up your sleeves and cut you dadgum lifestyle. You make one hundred and forty but no i'm not going to. It's a that's. The lazy man's way out. It's sounds easy problem. Is you just added forty thousand dollars thirty thousand dollars to your loan balance on your house. We're trying to get your house paid off okay but i would do it. I stay in the shooter. I'm sorry even though it would pay it all sooner you misunderstand pay it off. Pay it off even sooner because i'm not borrowing money for these repairs okay. I'm gonna put it on fifteen year at two eight seven the current balance. That's gonna pay thirty thousand dollars sooner right. That is correct okay all right so it is sooner. It's a lot sooner so yeah cash flow. You're pairs dude. You got the money. You need to just watch what you're doing. There and you make enough money to do that. No i do not borrow money for home repairs. <hes> and i just don't borrow money so why because being debt free is the shortest path to wealth. That's at simple. Thanks for the call. Marcus is whether it's marcus is in tennessee. Hi marcus welcome to the dave ramsey. Show hi dave thanks. I haven't mouth certainly how can i help sure i've got a question. <hes> currently my fiance and i are both on our own individual step to good <hes> <hes> i make a good bit more than she does and i've got a lot less debt so i make about fifty five thousand a year salary and i've gone about six thousand in-depth left so that knocked out here in a couple of months good when you get married <hes>. We've got to get married in september. Good yeah like not a year. Why are you in a year. <hes> mainly 'cause we wanna be able to cash for the wedding. We don't have anybody that really can help us out <hes> uh-huh okay so i was figuring that i obviously pay off my and then i probably have to catch the wedding myself okay so we're gonna try to keep that reasonable okay. <hes> my question is in the period. After i've saved up money until the wedding go after the wedding <hes> typically i would move into step three but being that she'll still be in step two. Should i just save my money and then apply that ah her student debt well i mean you're going to go ahead and do your baby step three but when you get married you're no longer in baby. Step three three. You're back to baby step two so you'll clean out that emergency fund and applied to her after the marriage okay so what are you going spent on this wedding yeah. That's that was my next. Question is is how much how much is reasonable spent <hes> i. I'm in favor of keeping against affordable and i think she's too. What does that mean. What does that mean to you. I think that's wanting to do it for less than five grand okay. Why don't you get married by christmas okay. Even if you put your dad on hold to save up five grand right fast get married getting married before even paying off debt would be i'm fine with that. I'm fine with that okay and <hes> so i mean have you you guys been through good pre-marriage counseling and <hes> <hes> not yet. How long have you been engaged. <hes> we've been engaged for about <hes> <hes> two months good okay yeah usually what i do. Is i just <hes> i kind of take all the romance out of it because i'm a nerd <hes> and so oh i look at these statistical evidence of what causes a successful marriage on average a six month engagement with pre-marriage counseling increases uses your likelihood of marriage success dramatically a much longer engagement does not accomplish much statistically weekly and that's where i'm getting. That's where i'm doing this. Okay and <hes> an pre-marriage counseling increases good in depth pre-marriage counseling where you dig out all the problems comes with all the families and all the potential disagreements in the you look at all the money stuff and you look at the religion stuff you really dig in that that increases the probability ability considerably of a successful marriage. Thank you for joining us america. Cup friendy is next up in randy's in california. How are you brandy. I'm getting better than i deserve. What's up. Can you hear me. Yes sir can what's up. I'll hit perfect all right so i'm thirty seven years old. <hes> i'm about to go through a divorce. <hes> i have two children. One is eleven in three um so they're young. I am relocating to a different state <hes> in january due to more family and you know the strong family unit <hes> and i'm calling because i received my bachelor's degree in two thousand fourteen and now i'm about eighty one thousand dollars in debt <hes> i didn't follow my true path and i'm kicking myself in for but i wanna be owners. It's my passion. I just felt like i was scared to fail so i basically got a degree that i'm not using and now it's just this debt is hanging over my head so my question with the u._s. Should i just tackle this eighty one thousand which is accumulation of student loan credit card and medical before i go into nursing interesting yes i would clean it up and then i would save up the money for nursing school. It's gonna take years to course correct but you've got a lot of other healing healing and a lot of other things going on anyway right now <hes> so when you relocate to the other state. What will your career here be. What were your projected income <hes>. I'm looking. I'm actually i actually stopped. My mom and i'm willing to work two jobs. <hes> <hes> so i'm trying to go into if i can do one for forty five thousand another one for about twenty thousand. I've sat with my whole family and dan. That's my focus and i just wanted to get that confirmation from you. Light on clinton cleaner amos clean up the mess and save up the money for the nursing school so so are there any assets coming out of the divorce. You're getting any money out of the divorce. No child support possibly okay not dependable yeah. It's we're. We're really core between each other so i wanna keep it calm on but i don't know how you know. This is gonna go. I'm super nervous about this. You know we've been together for over fourteen years so it's kind of nerve wracking but <hes> one good thing about it with my schooling to thirty bachelor's. I get to go to the accelerated the program so i only have to do two years in nursing instead of the whole four. That's political cheaper. Yeah yeah get it done faster so so it probably takes you <hes> if you live very conservatively and support a family and get good child support. It probably takes you two years to <hes> <hes> to be debt free in two years to go to nursing school and so. How old are you okay and so you're a forty. One year. Old nurse got the whoa you know you've got a fifteen year old and a seven year old at that point and <hes> you got the rest of your life this encore career the second career that you line up. You're going to be just fine. Let's just do this wisely <hes> and steadily rather than while all this other that you're you're you're divorcing. You're moving and you're talking about changing careers. All in one fell swoop so not the time to do it. It's not that i'm gonna do it. It's you're better off to go ahead and get the the finances cleaned up and be working from a more solid emotional and a more solid financial platform to do your nursing degree and then when you make this move <hes> you know you're you're going to be able to do it in a way that that has just it's just a it's kind of automatic then dan because you're doing it from strength rather than in the midst of tremendous up evil and show that that's definitely what i would do good question. Thank you for the call. All right. Madison is in texas. Hi madison welcome to the dave ramsey show. Hi dave <hes> i own a small business and i am looking to sell. It and i am having trouble figuring out. What a fair price to sell it at a lot of conflicting stuff on the internet and i'm pretty young ought new to this show so i just like a little bit of advice you view it financially mathematically as if an a an a an investor was going going to buy it and someone had to operate it okay. How many employees do you have. I have nine contractors okay and <hes> what is the net profit of the business. Annually then matt profit last year was is ninety two thousand okay annually okay and was that after you paid yourself or was that what you paid yourself <hes> no that that was included in what i paid myself okay so there's you didn't make anything out of the business other than the ninety two thousand correct okay if i we're going to buy your business in texas. I live in tennessee as an absentee investor. I would hire a manager to run these nine. Contractors wouldn't by what i have to pay that person. Oh probably pretty decent salary won't out. I mean real. I'm not thinks what would you think i would pay them. You know your business. I mean fifty horon managed around them. At least forty thousand a year was call it at forty two which means now my net profit is the owner of your business after i've paid all the staff is fifty thousand dollars because forty to what you were worth to run the thing your business after you got paid. Your managers fee made fifty fifty. Does that make sense that does make sense so that's how you value it. We bought value. It based on the fifty thousand now. I wanna make a twenty five. I percents rate of return on my money buying small business that would not be unusual then i would simply take your fifty and multiply by four so so your business would be worth two hundred. If i wanted to make only twenty percent on my money i would multiply by five. Your business would be worth two hundred and fifty okay that makes sense. I have <hes> a teacher for me that <hes>. I'm really interested in her. Taking it from me is that that's fair to ask that up front sure that's what the fight worth of the businesses the businesses were. If you invest two hundred thousand dollars and you got fifty off of it you would have made twenty five percent. Return on your money. You would have gotten all your money back in four years right. That's a that's a very reasonable price. Okay <hes> or five years if we did twenty percent and it's two fifty so somewhere in there is what it's worth now. That's the <hes> the most it's worth unless owns a bunch of assets and that's the other way you can value a business is what's called book value and if you add up all of your or inventory and your receivable your quip moment your assets at the business owns if they're more than that then the stuff that the business owns is worth worth more than the businesses. That's what book values <hes> okay. We don't have a ton of <hes> asset so i think your cash flow is. What is was what your value is. Okay that makes total sense. Thank you and if i had a cash on the line versus someone that wanted me to finance it. I would take less to get my money upfront and be done with this. <hes> okay. That's good advice. Cut bait move-on von. Take a little less make clean perfect great discussion. Thank you for calling in open phones at triple eight eight two five. I five two to five you jump in. We'll talk about your life and your money. They what are your thoughts on pulling from your i._r._a. Is qualified first-time homebuyer. Never you're not ready to buy home. If you're that broke you should be out of debt. Have your emergency fund plus up your downpayment beyond that before before you even talk about buying a house slowdown house fever slowdown. I want you to buy a house but let's not be quite so desperate for just com your butt down. Get out of control here and <hes> that puts this hour of the dave ramsey show in the books our thanks to james. 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148  How To Make More Sales without Being a Sleazy Salesman

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148 How To Make More Sales without Being a Sleazy Salesman

"Hi This is Craig Ballantyne host of early to rise radio. Have you ever wanted to become wealthier healthier wiser or just more time to appreciate the finer things in life on this show? We reveal what high performers are doing every day to be more successful without sacrificing? Their personal lives early to rise. Radio is sponsored by the perfect day. Formula Get your free copy of this game. Changing Success Guide at free perfect day. Book Dot Com. Now let's get started with today's show. Hey do you sell things online or in person or over the phone? Chances Are you're doing it all wrong. Hey this is Craig Valentine host of early to rise radio and it doesn't matter what you sell who you sell to what the price is of the thing that you're selling you again. You're probably doing it all wrong. You do an old school way. You might be super hardcore aggressive or you might just be not digging deep enough into what you can do to overcome your client's objections okay. Your prospects objections because you can't sell not clients or customers now in this show. You're GONNA get massive breakthroughs from the ideas that my guest three-time guests of the show. Zander Friar is going to give you to help you make more money to help you be more confident. Be More persuasive. And it doesn't matter if you don't sell anything at all. You're going to be more persuasive in your love life in your family life in your personal relationships. It's going to be a game changer. Now this episode of early to rise radio is ad free and totally free. It's brought to you by my books. Including ZANDER's favourite unstoppable. And you can get a free copy of ZANDER's favorite book at Free Unstoppable Book Dot Com forward slash podcast. But enough of that if you want to become unstoppable at sales then zander one of my best performing coaching clients. A Guy who has been coaching with me for two years. Now he's a guy who have helped find the love of his life he is amazing in is. GonNa make you a ton of money. Because he's made me a ton of money to and we're going to jump into this show was Andrew Fryer the sales whisperer for sure. He's going to show you how to sell without selling. Let's go to Zander. My man welcome back to the show. I think this is the third time I think so. That's impressive very good. My man very good. So why don't you tell the world what you've been up to in growing the sales of so many businesses not just Online coaches but real businesses even working with a lot of people. So tell television when what you do in what you're doing right now. Yeah absolutely so you know. Obviously we have. We have via the main part of the business which is a high impact coaching and everything. We're doing to help coaches scale to six figures. Multiple six figures in seven figures. But but you were coach. Is He worked with coach of all types right? Yeah Yeah so we do. We do work with a lot of health and fitness coaches. But we work with life. Coaches relationship coaches A lot of career coaches And then Biz business consultants and coaches as well. So yeah and and then. You've gone into Badri. Coolants FIT body BOOT camp and train their sales people. See trained salespeople as well yes so so basically what we had seen and I think a lot of this is from what you kinda pulled out to me. When we were we were working together was a huge part of what we've been able to accomplish with our business and then obviously with other businesses is because of our very unique approach to sales so been able to have been able to go several different companies in kind of revamp their Their sales teams their cell systems including Cooling in boot camp so awesome stuff man. Awesome and your background real quick. You were an engineer. You sold stuff at Cisco you've told the Disney story so with the people are listening for the first time. Go listen to the other. Two episodes with Zander. He talks about how he sold a lot of stuff to Disney. When he's working at Cisco really cool story but ZANDER WOULD WANNA flip to now. Yup is what's working in saying. Well actually let me with a question. What's not working in sales today? Why ARE PEOPLE NOT MAKING SALES? What is what is it a problem. We have all these sales books in sales courses out there and yet some people are sometimes too scared and then other times too ineffective. What mistakes are we making right now? You know. I think the biggest thing that I'm noticing not working in sales and and when I say sales kind of combination sales and marketing but the biggest the biggest things that I'm noticing not working in sales right now are actually a number one automation and number two Is Actually being to sales. So you've heard me talk about this before but the you know there's a there's been a big shift going on for probably the last. I'd say five to ten years around you know like nobody. Nobody likes to be sold to. And everybody's aware of all the sales tactics and everything like that and so the people that are going to be successful moving forward are the ones that can build real intimate relationships and the ones that aren't sales the aren't overly pushing sales really help. Connect with their clients. Help them realize what's possible. What was the what about the automation? You mention. That kind of skipped on so automation is good or bad. So great great question So basically automation obviously to scale automation is good. We all need automation. But I think one of the problems that we've seen for a lot of entrepreneurs is they're not using automation to scale the using automatic automation because frankly getting lazy okay right so it wouldn't one of my one of my favorite things to tell both actually just speaking at a travis chapels mastermind and last weekend and We're talking sales in one of his clients Mentioned how you know when somebody books as a sales consultation or a sales call them now. I asked him you know. What do you do in between in between when they book that call and when you actually have the call and he said I've got my automated sequence? I've got my automated sequence. That goes out you know. I've got three emails that go out and I've got to text to remind him to get on the phone and I asked him. I said how do you feel when you get an automated text from somebody? Does that make you feel warm? And Fuzzy inside and the unanimous you normally the unanimous decision on that is like no. It doesn't make you feel warm and fuzzy inside. It doesn't build the relationship or anything like that right. It doesn't make sale easier. It's actually kind of annoying right because everybody's doing that now. Everybody setting these automated texts and yeah it's important to make sure they show up for the call but imagine this imagine instead of an automated text that you get that goes out you as a sales person or the sales person on your team actually reaches out to this person and text them a personal message hate him. You saw we saw that. You're on the calendar for ten thirty tomorrow. Wanted to make sure this is the best number to reach you up and they say yeah and then you say awesome. Is there anything you want me to be aware of? Is there anything you want me to be aware of before our chat? Now how do you feel about that engagement? Do you feel like you feel like you're just like a number or do you feel like you're actually a person that's being cared for. That's really great and then so aside from automation in being to sales actually died a little bit deeper in being to sales because people are like. Maybe I'm coming off twos two sales because my sales aren't great. How did you know if they're coming off to sales that you're not sales? Nothing wrong being a little bit sales these two little off exactly this and this. I wish there was a. I wish there was like a new sales e sweet spot calculator there but I don't think there is there. Maybe that's my next opposite. Opt in the celtics sweet spot calculator. But I think you're right. You do need to you do need you be you do need to be able to market yourself. You do need to be able to promote yourself. But one of the things that we've seen happening especially in the online world of entrepreneurship is kind of Lake over exaggeration of of numbers and of results. And things like that. And obviously you want to be able to flaunt your results but one of the things that that we started to do is we actually stopped flaunting our best results and we started really talking about and discussing what we called the average. Our average client the The middle ground climb because now we do have the clients that work with us so they go from zero to a forty K. Fifty case he can just a matter of a couple of months we've even had clients that have gone to seventy seven figures within two or three months. But we don't flaunt that right. What we talk about is the average person that while working with US brings on their first one or two high ticket clients. And we create a very mundane expectation. And there's two things that are going on there number one. I think in this new in the world of online entrepreneurship. We've like. There's pretty much anybody can get into online entrepreneurship. The barrier to entry into almond entrepreneurship is so low. That anybody can start to do it. And then you have all these random people that maybe got results one time making these big crazy claims about what they can do with anybody and so the like the the market has become so skeptical of. What's real and what's not that when you are overly sales in you talk you talk too highly of yourself. They completely reject it. And so what we've started to do we is. We've actually gone back. You know rather than talking about the people that you know. The top ten percent of the top twenty percent of people that get results with us. We always try to talk about the middle thirty percent or so middle thirty or forty percent. And then what happens is if those are the ones you're kind of setting the groundwork for a as people start to work with you you basically under promise and over deliver because you do end up getting another thirty or forty percent on top of that. They get crazy results. You Know Thirty Thirty K. In a matter of weeks forty can't imagine a weeks. And what do they WANNA do? They just WanNa keep working with you for life because they're so ecstatic from the results and it's very interesting because at the mastermind that you were the other week we had Robbie blanchard speaking on this and he did the same thing. He saw some facebook ads. Course if anybody ever wants to check that out its Commission Heroes Dot Com and you go there and he used to have people making ten thousand in week but in one thousand a day but that was too much and so when he changed his stuff to more of like a thousand per week people really got on board because a thousand Netra thousand dollars per week. People is really really impressive and so that was something that allowed him to start selling more and it sounds like it's the same thing for you. Yeah absolutely so. So you know the big the two big shifts there is like number one intimacy. Beats a authority and intimacy beats automation. Every day of the week and then number two is just be less sales in more real about what can be expected. Okay so what else? What else is really really working and dive a little bit deeper into how you know when you do sales. You're helping people sell five thousand eight thousand dollars courses and so this really applies to anybody selling anything because I while you're you're selling something really really difficult. But also there's a lot of people on listening that SAL financial adviser in Life Insurance and real estate so talk and they're interested in high ticket sale so show how this applies so much across the board. Yeah is there anything any specific part? You're looking for because we could. We could dig into this for an entire hour all right so let's do like two people what's working for when people don't know you the hardest sale what is still what is working best for the heart to make the hardest sale. That's yeah that's a great point and really that that does come back to exactly what we were talking about The first part is you have to develop like people only buy from people. They trust right. It's the no Lovin trust factor. Now the beautiful part of that is obviously you know a lot of as you're aware there's a lot of building nola entrusts that you can do before you have a sales conversation with someone but if you are if you're basically like thrust into the into the deep end and you're having this conversation with someone before they actually know you You can build that no love and trust with them within the conversation so I think in one of the other podcasts. We I think we talked about how. No one of one of my My like famous enrollments was at Tom's coffee shop in Venice. There was a person behind me and I ended up. Enrolling them into a fifteen k. Vip Day while I was at the coffee shop Basically the way that happens is the fastest way to build rapport. The fastest way to connect with. Someone is through a very intentional and intelligent questions that do two things number one they frame you as the doctor or the expert in a situation and number two. It really delves into the problem that your potential client has because if your if your potential client really truly understands their problem they will do whatever's necessary to get out of it and so a big big part of developing report and helping that person that potential climb move forward is asking intelligent questions that really get to the core of their problem because most people in United talked about this in in depth but most people do everything they can to numb out there problem. That's how they that's how they've survived for however many months or years or even decades just living with it you know. I always like to go to the you know the health and wellness space. 'cause it's a very easy analogy to understand. Somebody's fifty pounds overweight. Like how do you survive with being fifty sixty seventy eighty pounds overweight or years? You have to numb out the problem and pretend it's not as bad as it actually is. Even though you're headed towards a new you're headed towards chronic illness. You're headed towards possibly in early death. do relationships are rocky at best. Most you know if you're in a marriage you're probably headed towards divorce. You're not there for your kids. Your confidence and self worth is low. So it's affecting everything so the only way for you to survive. That is to really numb out the problem so for anybody you know the the most important first step is really helping in a in a very caring and loving way helping them get to the truth of how bad their problem actually is because people will only change from their current reality. It's so uncomfortable that they can't sit in anymore. Well how do you get them to understand? How painful and uncomfortable without coming across as an absolutely horrible person really really leave well-placed questions and I think part of this part of this comes to part of it comes always comes back to your energy in your intention. You've heard me talk about this before but it is a little bit. Woo Woo one. Person can ask a question one way and it comes off. Dick and another person can ask that same question and it comes off from place of caring and concern so is it's not so much what you say. It's how you say it right you you hear me talk about how you can smell commission breath over the phone right but you can also tell when somebody really genuinely feels and cares for you and those two people can ask the same question but one of them. You're going to openly and honestly answer the other one you're gonNA push back. Do you have a real world example of that whether you know you've been in a even in a social setting where that's happened or through coaching. Where you've seen this question. Come up over and over and over again in you ask in a different way than most people do which allows and you show a client like. Hey this is how you asked that difficult question. Especially because as you said in a lot of cases with what you're selling and with little a lot of people are selling is eventually you quote unquote ended up in the bedroom talking about that sort of stuff. Now that's very difficult to ask about. It's very sensitive topic but you do it very well. And so what's the secret? I think it's a great question secrets and knowing about everybody's sex life and knowing knowing about it everyone sex life will be so the analogy. I always use and it really does come back to your your certainty and confidence in what you're doing like if you go into if you go into a doctor's office right and you know the doctors like you go into the doctor's office you're getting some stuff done in the doctor's like okay. We were noticing this. I'm actually going to need to take a fecal sample or something like that right so if you could go ahead and you'll take this cup and get that dot. What are you GONNA do? You're you're going to do it right. It's not it's not weird just going to have to go do it. But if that same doctor was like now I know this is super weird but I'm going to lake. Can you poop in this Cup like that? That's that's incredibly uncomfortable because you made it uncomfortable right but if you just if you if you stand in that certainty of why you're asking this question with the confidence that it's necessary and help them realize why it's so important you'll they'll be open and honest with you so you mentioned about like when I get on a sales call probably one out of four one hundred five times it ends up in the bedroom right and I can tell you the exact situation that it happens in. Its when it's when we're talking to. It's when we're talking to guys. Male male entrepreneurs are male coaches right. Maybe they're stuck in a nine to five And they're trying to get out on their own they're trying to go you'll go solo as a coach and we can you know we start to delve into their business not working and you ask questions on how long how long have you been trying to get this up and running. How long have you known that you wanted to be an entrepreneur? No known that you needed to be a coach of you. That what you're doing right now. Is it right and you start to delve into that and people will really open up and I'll have to ask him that. Starting to affect your confidence is starting to affect you know you and your relationships in any way and you know they're gonNa make with. Yeah absolutely. It's you know it's affecting my confidence. It's actually having a little bit of trouble with my my wife Tina Honest here this here. This all the time is is that affecting your intimacy at all when you're not able to really stand masculine energy and people will just open up. They'll dig into their bedroom life in every all the problems. Go back and say that question again because that is like most people would not use those words and this is you do have to remember that. That would be with like a with a rather conscious coach. Mike that intimacy wouldn't use. We wouldn't use that same verbiage. If we were working with you know a a normal person You know saying the fat loss space but like a great example would be in the fat loss. Space Sayer you know. Say you're talking about whether it's a guy or a gal you know. Let's say it's a woman right You can dig into how much weight. She needs to lose an what her diet like. How long she's she's been trying to lose weight and then obviously Dig into what she's tried and hasn't worked right. N N how long? She's known she needed to lose weight. And what it would be like five years from now. She wasn't able to do it. And as she starts to discuss the specifics. You're going to tell that it's going to really start to get to the point where she's really understanding how much this is really costing her and you can ask you. You could say you know it. Sounds like it sounds like this. This is really been weighing on you. I gotta be honest. Is this affecting your relationship with rob yet so yet? Questions are one of my favorites but you know how is this affecting your relationship with rob yet yet. Absolutely it's been it's been rocky best You know it's it's just been hard. I'm just curious as it's been affecting your intimacy. When was when was the last time you know he really looked at you like with that passion like when you first met and you can let them go down that path. But it's you have to. You have to come from a place of carrying concern because the truth is for this person in. This is what I always tell. People from this person change. He or she has to hit a rock bottom. People don't change unless they hit a rock bottom of some form and we all know this right but we don't like to admit it so this person this woman you know. You're talking to Tina right. This woman Tina can either hit a rock bottom a self created rock bottom of virtual rock bottom view while you're on the phone with her with somebody there to hold her hand and pick her backup safely or three years from now. She can go hit rock bottom on our own when she finds out she has a chronic illness. Or She's getting a divorce from rob or you know she can't be there for her kids or whatever it is so this person can either it a rock bottom with you there to help them up or they can hit a real rock bottom down the line and that's your choice as a leader as a coach as a sales person you have to lead this person into making intelligent an intentional decision to move forward dips a couple of examples of amazing real world stories. Where whether it was you or whether it was your wife Mattie or whether it was one of your clients pushed through the resistance of like. I don't really want to ask these questions and then had feedback from the client. Sixty days or half a year where they were like. Oh my gosh let me tell you Blah Blah Blah. I mean honestly it literally. It happens on a daily and weekly basis. We just We just had a client that we were working with I literally just listened to his his sales calls earlier last week. And basically we dug into his sales calls and we found out that he wasn't going into depth on these questions and I'm not even kidding you the questions that I just said. On this recording he asked almost verbatim to his next client and his client was crying and by the end of the call he said. I cannot believe how much I've been able to open up with. You have never told anybody about this. I have to work with you right. The thing is when you go through these questions. People people will tell you the things that they won't tell their wife their husband their best friend their parents they won't. They will tell you everything that they've been trying to hold back for months or even years but it's all just because you've been brave enough to ask the difficult questions that nobody else says tastic absolutely amazing so this kind of moves into I mean that approach stands out but but what else. What else can people do? What else are your clients doing to stand out in this day and age? Because there's a there's a billion life coaches the other seven seven billion people on this earth. Fifteen percent of them are life coaches. I believe in this day and age and there's a lot of difficulty standing out as a nutrition coach. A real estate agent is everything financial adviser. How do people stand out? Yeah that's a that's a great question. This kinda goes goes back to what we were talking about earlier. Which is one of our core principles we teach. Our clients is intimacy beats authority every day of the week right. So unless you're you're Craig Ballantyne or Badri Cullin who has a big name and has big authority For most starting coaches. They don't have a big name. They can't rely on that authority And so we teach them to build intimacy with potential clients. So the analogy. I always use like if you had if you had your pipes burst and you need a plumber right and every day. When you're driving to work you saw big billboard and it had you know plumber Joe. America's plumber or Canadians plumber right rum and it had his plumber. Joe's number up there. That's the authoritive authoritative plumber right. But then say you're at starbucks and cigarettes starbucks and you're you're ordering a drink and the you're talking about your you meet the person behind you're talking about your issue And the person behind you says. Oh you've gotta meet Plumber Jane. She's she's the best right. She's this this and this. I'll connect you with plumber. Jane and so you have a text conversation with plumber. Jane rain she sounds Great. Are you gonNa go with Plumber Joe? America's plumber or are you going to go with plumber. Jane who you now have a more intimate relationship. You're going to go with plumber. Jane Right and so what most people don't realize is in this day and age. Yeah we are. We're bombarded by FACEBOOK. Ads constantly bombarded by Neil Authority and celebrity of people. All the time which you do need to build. But when you're first starting off you need to build intimacy first and foremost because intimacy will get you in the back door right and once you're in the back you can't say that a intimacy intimacy gives you gives you A. I don't even know how to say that. Another way intimacy kind of like it gives you a leg up on the on the big names on the gurus that are out there now. What's really amazing? Is What happens when you can build intimacy and authority right if you can build intimacy and authority. That's that's really a weapon that will take you to too much bigger heights. Okay very good. So what what? Are you doing what you know? Because you don't have a million followers on instagram. What does Zander fryer due to build intimacy for his own business? Yeah so great point. Great question literally. It's just you know conversations right one on one conversations either via DM or text message But they're real conversations either with me or with one of my sales people on my team and you know it's the same energy intention that we're talking about over the phone we're just doing it via conversation texts conversation. Dm Conversation Now we're actually. It's funny were officially getting a facebook funnel up and running this weekend But we've we've been able to get to seven figures without really paying for advertising paying for a lot of leads like most people are and it's because the majority of it is Building that intimacy every every single one of our clients You know potential clients. Were having a conversation with them as soon as they get into our world right so when you look at Now I got my business started. Had My first thirteen k month with a facebook group of forty seven and Instagram. Of Three hundred and then the next month was like cave and it was four twenty four. K. Than Thirty two K. Now all with a small audience because every single person that came into my world. I treated as a person not as a number got it. Okay Great Perfect Man. So then moving on here to y why do so many coaches than struggled to get their business scaling aside from that intimacy getting recognized in the intimacy. What else is stopping? People from growing I think I would say I would say two things when it comes to when it comes to coaches number. One is the wrong expectations. I think and this kind of goes back to a little bit of what we were talking about earlier but now we do live in a world where no like. I I just. I just sat right lake. I went from zero to six figure business in like three or four months and we had our first six figure month within twelve months right but that's not a realistic expectation for most people so when people see that social media they see this person that went to seven figures in six months or seven figures. Forty seven minutes. I don't know right now. It sets an unreal expectation for people. And so you know as soon as they get hit with a roadblock as soon as they get hit with a down month or their first string of knows no. They think that they're not going to be good enough to make it happen. And what they don't realize is there's a process right so I think the first step is most coaches most starting entrepreneurs again like I mentioned. It's such a low barrier to entry into the online world now that it's real easy to get in there and most people don't realize like you've really like you've really got to have a hard head to be able to to to really get this going. You've got to be able to take some blows and take some punches as Betas cooling stocks. But you've got to be able to survive the winter right. You can't be a spring or summer entrepreneur. You've got to be able to survive the winter. And I think that's probably the biggest thing that I see. Most coaches struggling with is you know unreal expectations and then number two is Is Frankly the recipe right? I think so many so many coaches the way I was explaining. It's like if you WanNa have a coaching business. There's two halves to a coaching business. Seem so obvious to me. And most coaches. Don't get this if you want to have a successful coaching business. Two hats. There's coaching and there's business. Most coaches spend months or even years becoming an expert as a coach in whatever space there in Relationship Space Life coaching health and wellness career. Whatever it is. They spent months or years even decades becoming an expert there and then they spend like a week doing some research online and wondering why they're not successful yet right. You have to build your skill set as a coach and then even more so you have to build your skill set a business owner as an entrepreneur that takes it takes time right like it's every health coach out there. Like how long did it take you to master the squat right like I asked? This is probably most health coaches would say working on it right. Well then worry or people who play golf like Hello Master. Exactly ever ever exactly right. So it's like well then. Why are you thinking that watching like one? Webinar or listening to a couple of podcasts is going to be your answer and then all of a sudden you're going to be good to go like no Craig. If I were to ask you like how much time have you spent over the last several years continuing to work on your ability to your ability to business right? Well Hey listen I'm still working on my ability to person so right there right there with you man. Yeah there's a lot of work that goes into this stuff you know. So we're you're never gonNA stop and so you have to keep on going and obviously put that stuff in there so that leads me to another question like you. Coaching with me for a while. What's the thing that that I have helped you with the most in Your Business I That's a Do you want a specific answer in abstract cancer? Both all right. I think all the answers I yeah I I would say from an abstract standpoint. The the reason that I have worked with you longer than any coach that I've ever had Is probably because we don't agree on most things and we do. Do we do agree on. A lot of things but fundamental probably. Yeah we agree on. We agree on the fundamentals But you know when it comes to a lot of the different stuff that that I'm doing. You always provide a great other view. Always challenge me to think bigger to think different to to look at it from a different angle or a different perspective. Because of that I I have no choice but to grow when I'm working with us so I think that's probably the from an abstract thing. The thing that's really helped me the most is like no matter what I'm doing no matter what level I'm out like when we first met. I think I was barely six figures to aware. I'm where I am now and where we're going. I think you always provide you always provided different viewpoint that challenges me and because of that. I have to grow now if I'm constantly growing as a person. There's no way that I'm not gonNA hit my goals because I'm just getting bigger and better as a person as an entrepreneur as a coach all the time. Sure so I'd say that's probably from an abstract view the most important thing and then have like is there something specific that comes to mind that would also be beneficial for everybody listening. I mean you you said so. You said business not not personal. Because we'll get to the personal amid personal I'd have to say Mattie I think from a business standpoint I would probably say it was. When was this like eight or nine months ago? Would've been a little bit more. So we launched. We launched our mastermind about seven or eight months ago An eight or nine or ten months ago. I was having a conversation with you about a launching our back end mastermind and personally. I did not feel that I was ready to launch a mastermind helping coaches build two new the half million or even million dollar mark. I just didn't feel like I was ready. It was you know whether it was self worth or believe for whatever it was and I was thinking about partnering with a couple of other coaches for a back end mastermind. You literally just said no and I think this is one of my favorite things about you as a coach is you. Don't you don't have to explain yourself. you just say. No people want a need zander. You have to do your mastermind and it was. It was one sentence that you told me Totally that has launched. Our mastermind officially launched mastermind about six months ago. Which is now If I'm looking at correctly a roughly seven hundred thousand dollar business on its own. So it's it's GonNa be it's GonNa be a seven figure business within the next six months or so on its own. Yeah Yeah I mean. It's it was ridiculous for you. Do not have it because people once they get into your world they want to stay in your world. That's for sure. Yeah and a lot of that goes back to exactly what we're talking about which is like setting the proper expectations set the expectation. That you're going to enroll one or two. You know three to five K. clients within your your work with us in a couple of a couple of months. What happens when you enroll forty k? Worth of clients. Well you're GONNA WANNA take that in invest with us to continue moving forward and grow that more. Yeah absolutely all right so then. What was the thing I helped you with on the personal side the most in how has that transpired to where we are today. man. I think I we have dug into the depths of historian in pass podcasts as well but obviously meeting the love of my life Matty My now wife. So matty Fryer the WHO was Mattie Aplin This this just comes back to you holding me accountable to do the show. I don't WANNA do Which was when was that? It was October end of October. Two thousand seventeen a kind of pushing me. Pass my comfort zone to be publicly accountable for meeting. Amazing girl and doing a facebook live in my facebook group. Titled Help Me Find Love and from that came an introduction to the amazing Mattie Aplin and now a little over two years later I can officially call her my life absolutely amazing so talk about the power of what was their accountability asking for help all the same sort of things in business orders. Some of the biggest lessons that you took from that that allow you to to help your clients. Yeah so I think again. Accountability is a huge one. Like we're always gonNA have stuff that we don't want to do. But we know we need to do and one of the quickest and easiest ways to just make sure it happens is just accountability. I always talk about how we're program to need accountability from a really young age right wheat. Lake Your parents hold you accountable in life. Your teachers hold you accountable in school. Coaches hold you accountable in sports. If you're in a nine to five you have a boss or a manager that hold you accountable and then as an entrepreneur lake. What's the first thing that you lose? Its Accountability while your pants first of all. But then you lose your pants because you have nobody to keep you accountable where you're putting your pants after you wash them right exactly so you lose you lose accountability and because of that like you. Don't do the things that need to do. I think so many entrepreneurs get into entrepreneurship. I hear this way too much or they say like I want to be able to dictate my own schedule. That's how he does like a teacher getting into teaching because they get summers off. If that's the reason you got into teaching is a bad idea. It's a terrible idea right like if you're getting into this to dictate your schedule you're going to dictate your schedule for short amount of time until you run out of money and then you're gonNA be right back in a nine to five right so the accountability is probably one of the most important pieces Por Most important lesson that I learned from that Obviously just take like overcoming whatever stories fears you put in front of yourself and just taking courageous action is huge as well right like I know what's supposed to come from doing a facebook live in my community but like I look back. And what if I didn't do that right? And then one of my favorite stories is Mattie on the other side was you know was about to send me a text. You know she was the one reaching out to me from that. Facebook live and in her mind. She was sitting there with her brother. Like I can't send us to him like no. She had me up on a pedestal and was just like oh he probably get so many people reaching out to him and now I'm in Australia. This could never work. And all the stories going through ahead and that text message sat there for like fifteen twenty minutes until she just went. Screw it and hit send well. I think that long I mean most people would Elected there for two weeks. So that's you know she's right but I think that's kind of the thing for me. It's like what if she never sent it right. What if she allowed that story that she was telling herself to prevent her from taking action like she would have robbed me of the opportunity to be with the person that I love most in this world right now because it really great line that you you just there because Vegas is always said that to me? It's like stop thinking about yourself and start thinking about. Hey there's there's a lady out there who is missing you from your life so everybody listening to this conversation. You're you know you're like I don't WanNa do dating APPs or I don't WanNa do introductions are I don't want to get a matchmaker. Whatever will it's not. It's the same with having a business. You're not launching your business because you don't want to get criticized. You're not launching your business because you're afraid to take the leap. Well listen forget about you for a second. I think about the person on the other side because you're not launching your business in the nutrition. Coaching space or even the real space. Somebody is out there hiring in in fear or your source. They're buying stuff that doesn't work. They're wasting money wasting time. Their life is getting worse. Because you're protecting yourself and we we say that all the time. We're very very adamant that people take fast action because if they keep on taking action as you mentioned way earlier everything's GonNa come together and building personal belief in the personal development. Success is GonNa come your way yet. I think to to kind of echo that one of the one of the beliefs that I've had to really hammer home for myself. I basically I. I have a little bullet point on a note card and I read this every single day and it just says I will never be the I will never be the person that prevents them from the opportunity to say yes powerful. That is great because in if you're not doing something you're not take any action if you're not making the ask if you're not putting yourself out there then you're not giving the people the opportunity right and that's all it is that's all it is because I and I remember it because there was one woman. This was two and a half years ago that I remembered reading her application and it said she had seven dollars in her bank account and I was like. Oh this is going to be the way. This is going to be a huge waste of an hour because I was in my own head and I was like you know what I'm just going to do the call anyways and I went through the call and she couldn't enroll with us but by the end of it she's like I'm GonNa go find this money and literally within. I think within like three or four days. You wouldn't find the money. I don't know what she had to do to get it. Beg Borrow Steal. Cheat whatever right but she ended up joining our program. She started enrolling clients at Nine K. Within I think within four or five weeks and completely changed her life right and I think back to that moment and it's like what if I was the person that prevented her from the opportunity to say yes? Well the opportunity to change other people's lives to one hundred percent powerful stuff so you know you you sometimes make mistakes that stop you from growing your business or could have made a mistake there. When I don't know I'm I'm making sure that you don't but what are some of the mistakes that some of your clients or just business owners in general are making that stop them from going from six figures. Seven to eight I think the biggest you can tell that this. I never made this mistake. Let's just leave it that way. I never did but I think the biggest thing that I see other people do is focused on too many things New One of the things one of the things that I've really noticed is if you WANNA get to if you want to get to seven figures. Multiple seven figures in eight figures really. You need to focus on the less right if you focus on. Do a hundred percent someone who's asking. How do you make these decisions in your business? I said my businesses so simple so seattle. Yeah and it's and that's what really drive things forward if you only have if you only have one or two things that you're really focusing on one major focus. It makes it very easy to say. Yes and not things. No that's not gonNA support this. Yes this is directly in line right I think the biggest thing that caused me to stagnate for for a bit in the Middle There. While we were building our business was started to dabble into two different Two or three different things in trying to figure out where in a what really was aligned with me and as soon as literally as soon as I just jettisoned two of the three and really honed into one of the things we're focusing on the business started to started to take off again so I would say you know one of the biggest things if you want to go forward Faster focus on less. Yes absolutely and you know. I want one of the things that you jetson was the sales training course which actually told you do but fortunately I made up for that by by getting you to focus on the mastermind which is just such an obvious thing. I mean you you were born. You were born to run a mastermind for sure because you are just so great so carrying some knowledgeable secondary teacher absolutely amazing so burying our I try. Yeah Yeah Okay and then on the flip side on the flip side. Let's have some predictions. Where do you think the Sales Industry and the coaching industries are heading in the next five to ten years? So give us a prediction for each of those. That's a that's a great question and I think frankly it's the answer can kind of be the same for both But it really. It really does go back to what we're talking about you know. The the coaching industry is growing at double digit rates year over year. So it's there's it's becoming easier and easier to become a coach. You don't have to do anything to become a coach. Just FYI magnesium how could be any easier easier easier meaning easier meaning? I would say it's more socially acceptable. Let's say okay It is. It's easier an easier to become a coach or to start to put yourself out there as a coach but that being said right because of that there's a lot more skepticism out there because everybody and their mom is coming out and saying. I can help you with this. I do this or whatever. It is So the big shift the big shift that there's going to be and I don't know if it's going to be five years. It could be in the next one to two years really But the big shift. That's going to be going on is you. You have to be results focused so you have to produce phenomenal results. I think it was dean. Jackson said this when we were at your masterminded Miami a year ago he said you know what if. What if people only paid you? If you've got to the exact outcome that they were promised right and so. That's the way that's going to be the way that we're headed. We're going to be headed down a path where from the coaching industry. It's not it's not so much going to be about like the information that you're teaching people it's going to be the result that you actually get people that's going to be really important because you know in a world of more and more coaches coming onto the scene every single day You know the people that are going to stand out are going to be the ones that get transformation to get results and do it consistently not just did at one time but do it over and over and over again every week every month every year. That's yeah and I think it's very important for everyone to realize he didn't say the person with the most certifications one hundred percent so I mean that kind of brings up a good point one of the things that I actually tell people is that certifications actually hurt. Your Business will come and most people don't realize that and don't get me wrong. I'm not saying certifications or bad because you do need the knowledge and expertise to be a good coach and a lot of times. Certifications have great frameworks for you to get started. But you'll like what. Why most people get a certification or another certification a lot of the time? It's because they think. Oh if I get this certification I'm GonNa be deemed more credible right. They think they think it's going to be like selling mechanism for them. Oh I've got this this this certification but the truth is if you use that certification taxi position yourself as a credible source. All you're actually doing is positioning yourself as commodity. You're saying that if I have this certification this is what makes me credible. What about the three thousand other people that also have that certification so if your price too high this person can now go to any one of those people that has that certification and get the same solution very good point man? I see that all the time. So listen my man. You know the coaching industry inside and is there anything else in your mind. That people need to know today about coaching or sales. Whether it's hiring coach being a coach or getting clients as a coach or selling anything from ice cream to Eskimos or brand new porsche. Oh Man I think yeah. I mean really. The only thing that I would I would continue to emphasize is like if you don't if you're not already where you need to be in terms of your skillset like we all know that you have to continue to develop your skill set so like. I mentioned if you've if you've got the coaching side of coaching but you don't have the business side of coaching. You do need to join a program or hire a coach or join a mastermind and I'm not specifically saying like join hours obviously is the best in the world. In my opinion maybe second compared to Craig's it's totally different coaching. I totally totally vote on quote real businesses. You know like people that so so manufactured goods and you you certainly I send a lot of people to you because I know that you know first of all. I'm not interested in being a co Coaching Somebody to build a mindset coaching business. But you you're very I would. I would love to see that now. It'd be very interesting. Have helped your wife a but but I'm not really interested in being motivation. Coaches coach or confidence coaches coach. Because I know you can do a better job. So that's that's the difference between. Yeah and I think what what it comes down to is like we all know that like we. We all need help getting their you know one of my favorite quotes is you can't read the label label from inside the bottle right so you're never going to be able to see your own pitfalls you're never going to be able to see what's not working. I've never I've never had a moment in my entrepreneurial career where I was not what I didn't have a coach and or a mastermind. Frankly I don't think there's been a moment when I didn't have to All the time to all the time right getting different angles and you're really helping me on. My blind spots should know the truth is if you WanNa be successful you do have to. You do have to make that investment of for yourself from a business standpoint while you spend all this time and money becoming great as an experts you need to make the same if not more of an investment from a business standpoint as well. Yeah this is harder for most people most cases. Good Dude really really appreciate you. So where can people find you on instagram? And what's your facebook group and podcast yet and and what's your website. Yeah so instagram. At ZANDER FRYER Z. A. N. D. E. R. F. R. Y. E. R. We do have a facebook group. It's called High Impact coaching. So you can. You can check out our high impact. Coaching facebook group. You can go to Zander. Fryer DOT COM. Check out our website as well and we actually have so if you are a coach and you're looking you're looking for some some help you know the first steps of really getting up and running get into a profitable or six-figure coaching business you can go to Zander. Fryer DOT COM forward slash launch L. A. U. N. C. H. We've got a free training online. It's not like a Webinar that you have to opt into. It's literally a free video that you can go check out will walk you through the seven steps to building a profitable coaching business. So that can be a great start for a Lotta people through those awesome. I know you'll be back for orphan fifth time eventually. I'll see you in May in Toronto. My masterminded in San Diego Eh masterminding September. Always great having you my man. Any last words advice be about anything in the for our listeners. Right now here in the in the famous famous words of Craig Valentine. It's not about you. Oh beautiful thing beautiful things. Thank you my friend. Everybody go checks is Inter fryer out. Follow this man. Share his story in his podcast with the world. Really appreciate you and we'll talk to you soon. Thanks man boom just like that. Zander has shown you how to sell even if you don't like selling he's shown you what's working. What's not working where people are making huge mistakes? He told you a very cute story about his amazing wife Mattie and he's kind of shown us a glimpse of the future for businesses of all kinds. And if you want to meet Zander. You need to be at my mastermind meetings. He's always there as one of my coaching clients and he often is a guest speaker. So if you want to learn more about my mastermind program send me an instagram direct message at Real Craig. Balancing or email me at supported early to rise dot com also I tunes and let me know what you thought of the show. Do you want more interviews like this one or do you want Craig to come out and rent there with caffeinated rants. I'm happy to do that too. All right so drop me a message on instagram. Let me know what you thought it today show and if you want to join me Zander. My next mastermind. We have one in Toronto San Diego in that back in Miami Florida in twenty twenty one. All right we'll talk to you soon. Remember life is too short to not go after what you want.

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And he think back to where we were like on February twentieth. And now. Just a little bit more than a month later MVP chance for Bryce Harper in Philadelphia in March. I think about that. I think that's the most likely just because it was never completely out of the question for him to come in the city on fire in the first series and have the entire city. Philadelphia fall in love with him. I'd say that's the most likely second most likely as two guys to MVP candidates hitting four home runs in this series. It's spectacular. Yes. Is it a once in a lifetime thing? No. The least likely has to be the struggles of the Red Sox starters. That's ridiculous. What you say? What did you say that we are? It was seven hundred something right? That's what you meant. No man, heaven thirty six getting lit up Alex Cora answering questions about the preparation in spring training. We'll get to that. We'll be hearing from Bryce Harper today and his extensive interview that he did with our Mathis curtian on Sunday at citizens Bank park. We've got a weekly cap talk and quizzed with Todd Radim. Freddy Freeman has some really interesting observations about young star Ronald Kuni junior. But let's get to some notes of the day. And the game of the day is enter Bogart's. The Red Sox is a contract extension are Jeff passan confirmed initially that they had an agreement, and according to Jeff the Red Sox tacking on six years one hundred twenty million dollars. This extension is a surprise. And we'll explain why some of the games on Sunday you member. I was absolutely talking all the time about Yankees Ebersol schedule. Yankees gets play. The Orioles so much six of their first nine games thirteen. I fifty well. You know what over the weekend? The Orioles did some damage. To to swing in a high fly ball left field. He got a lot of it back. It goes and policy. God read not Nunez, a three run home run in the first and the Orioles grab a three nothing lead. Jim hunter and one zero five point seven the fan. The ORs win the game seventy five just play that clip again because they want you to listen to the crowd in the background. I think you could paraphrase like a thought balloon and just put three letters in their w Tf. What do you think it's you to swing in a high fly ball in left field? They got a lot of it back. It goes and policy. God read not to noon news, a three. Oh, man. Yeah. The. We're losing the Orioles again. Anyway, you know, there's a lot of talking to York about that today. Chris back of the Padres was great in his major league debut on Sunday five innings one run seven strikeouts. Manny Machado pitch and again high game into seven one out pieces loaded Dyson set. First pitch Grandpa's fully hit shortstop Crawford. Charging in to second for one onto I not in time. But Chatto beats it out the hustled all the way to first base in the Padres. Take a two to one lead after ninety seven point three the fan. San Diego wins the game three to one the dodgers. It's so much damage over the weekend against the Diamondbacks. Staff including ex diamondback AJ Pollock second one out. Pollock frantic. Only this side war. Four. Bellinger. He will score and Arriva had third. Beijing. It wasn't hit real hard perfectly place. The dodgers have tied at seven. Charley Steiner AM five seventy LA sports. The dodgers win that game. Eight two seven the Phillies are the only undefeated team in baseball. They completed a sweep with help from. Yup. Bryce harper. Right field. It's our in fly home. Marquette will turn he'll watch. It's gone. That one a mile high to right field his hitter friendly ballpark, Bryce Harper. His second of the year second and has many days at its four one the legend. Boop shabby on ESPN radio with that call. Harper course had that four hundred sixty five foot shot on Saturday follows it up with that monster moonshot on Sunday, the Phillies win is mentioned. But the conversation after the game was about Reese Hoskins getting pitched inside. And then getting hit late in the game. It led to an injection of Atlanta pitcher and gate Kappler Phillies manager, he was angry. Really be awful involves go underneath Reese hostage chin. Really bugs me because it has injury last year. Well, certainly, you know, coming off the fact that he he got hit last year for sure. But more importantly, he's one of our leaders. He is in many ways, the heartbeat of our club. And it really bothers me when that happens. And I think this was a case of the Phillies manager protecting his player. It was so cold last night it probably wind chill factor in the mid thirties. Pitchers on both sides were struggling to command the ball. I don't think that the pitcher for the Braves throughout Amman purpose. I think this is game just letting Reese Hoskins. No, you're our guy. The day. Then a game of the day had to be the brewers cardinals. That series finales, Christian yelich, Paul Goldschmidt, putting on an absolute show yellow Chit home in each of the first three games, and he came to the plate in the bottom of the first inning and the pitch swinging. Three. Four Christian yelich. Four in a row that reference from Bob euchre? The fact that yelich homers in each of the brewers. I four games the call on six twenty WTMJ. Look Josh in the past. I've always deferred to you on the Bob euchre call you want to jump in here. It was Robert M F euchre. That's right BUSTER. Okay. Very nice. I mentioned Paul Goldschmidt had himself a nice weekend to three homers on Saturday. This is what he did on Sunday. Goldsmith does it again left center? Goldsmith number four, Paul Goldschmidt had punched out his first couple of eight B's got some fastballs up in the zone and just wasn't able to get to this time and Goldschmidt is not missing. Yeah. That was damaged Laughlin. Brad Thompson on the cardinals television network. The brewers are trailing bottom of the ninth inning. They had a couple of runners on base, Jordan Hicks. The cardinals. Closer hard throws in the game. Christian yelich at the plate to deliver. Here. It is. Yelling. The score the winning. He's. Growers beaten, Saint Louis. Do you believe that one? Oh. Have you ever heard? Bob euchre that excited. We've heard his calls for years. Just I I've never heard him that excited. What about you? It's close BUSTER. Yeah. But I I actually thought he was going to swear there at the end he goes holy. Great Paul Robert M F good job. He did a great job with that Christian yelich spoke with Fox Sports Wisconsin about the day. Chris. Pattern as much as you said. This is a new season a new team. Feeling like last year for you. He's got done early hidden. And we just did it at the whole game. How did that ninth-inning come together? Christian the pinch hits from Ben Campbell. And then low doing what he does in that infield single set aside decided up for you. Grit. Just get on this grist. I've talked to face and Benghazi. So that double and unloaded his thing. And we're put out historic surfer for you. Chris how much fun are you having at the start of the season and to take three out of the four. Here's. Here's here's force. You always want to get started on a good note. There are great team. We notice whole yours can be battle. And we did a great job. And I've got a question of history about Christian yelich. Let's get to it. Rejoice love. It's TIMMY tied. It this great game. Or what with tin kurkin on baseball tonight. And Tim coaching covers baseball for ESPN and constantly find myself asking this question, Tim, where the heck are you? Well, I'm in Atlanta. I did the game in Texas yesterday cubs. Rangers eleven to ten well over three hours. We barely made our flight, but we got out last night. And I got to my hotel room about two o'clock in the morning, but that's better than trying to travel at six in the morning on the day of game. So we'll tonight we'll do the Braves game against the cubs. And I'm very excited. Well, naturally, we always have our questions after the first days of the season. Yeah. That that is usually a question early in the year because you have very small sample size of results, and we'll start with this Christian yelich. He won the MVP last year. And this year is twenty seven years old and so far Tim four homers, six walks one strikeout. He's unbelievable gets the walk off game winning two run double on Sunday. And I found myself this morning asking this question is the Christian yelich trade? Does that have a chance to go down in history alongside Frank Robinson? And Lou Brock trades is one of the most one-sided deals in history. What do you think? Well, a little early for that. But it's ridiculous. How good he has been in you. You know BUSTER from CNN this spring. He barreled it so many times that Craig counsel would take him out after to advance this pre-trading game because you can't hit it any harder than he hit it his first to advance. And in order to keep that wonderful momentum going he would just say I'm going to give him these two at bats. He's gonna hit the ball as hard as any man alive for these two at bats. We're going to get him out. We'll play him again tomorrow. That's how good he has been this spring. Travis Shaw told me again this spring. I've never played with anyone that puts bat ball better than Christian yelich. And boy has he gotten off to an amazing start and what a deal this has been so far for the brewers yet. The deal went down. I heard from executives with other teams thought it was a bad deal for the Marlins at that time in a great deal for the brewers. And that was before that incredible second half year last year three sixty seven average four forty nine on base seven seven slugging percentage. Twenty five homers and sixty five games. He's off to this. Great start. What the heck happened in midseason with Christian yelich St. think. Well, I'm not sure because he started to hit the ball with tremendous power. And this is what we'd seen before from him. Buster can always put bat to ball. He can always hit a line drive somewhere. But now he starts to get ball up in the air, and he starts hitting new Opie s well over a thousand the second half of the season. And I think it's just a match ration- of a young hitter. And we've seen it a million times George Brett used to hit line drives the opposite field so to Raphael Palmeiro, and then well, that example, maybe then they started to change things started to pull the ball. And this is what Christian yelich started to do was hit it with a thority all over the field. And now, you simply cannot make a mistake with him. Otherwise, he's going to crush you somehow in his first year in the big leagues. Four homers and sixty two games than the next year two thousand fourteen nine homers, then he had seven homers in two thousand fifteen and I remember. We're having a conversation with them in two thousand and sixteen be in that spring training. And I said to him you know, what what a what she swing? I really think that if you ever got into a hitters park. You could be a guy who could hit fifteen home runs, and Tim, I swear to you. He looked at me and goes no way like he's perception of himself at that time was he was never going to be guy who could hit twenty homers. Now, he's hitting twenty homers and a half app. It's go ahead, as you know, BUSTER some radio guy in Miami said he would eat crow if Christian yelich ever hit twenty homers in a season. And then when he did actually hit twenty overs in the season, the talk shows eight accrue, like a real crow, and and yell and said, it was the most disgusting thing I've ever seen in my life. I told him you don't have to do this. But the guy did it anyway because nobody saw this coming with this kind of power. Now, we should be surprised by. Nothing that this guy does because the power has joined this perfect swing that he has right now. So Josh, Tim would not buy into my hyperbole comparing this to the Frank Robinson. Lou rides is one of the most one-sided deals in history. Would you agree with me or Tim, Tim? Yeah. You say Tim doesn't buy into your Berber league. Neither boobs. Neither does Carl. Neither does Keith. Neither did Dave. Neither Jess neither do I. See you guys are wrong. And when history shows that I'm right? I'll be able to say I was I I certainly would be the first to if I had predicted before the season Tim that the Orioles would take two or three from the Yankees in Yankee state 'cause I you know, you and I talked last week, and you hate the strength of schedule stuff. But you actually bought into the fact that you know, what the Yankees get to play. The Orioles a lot six of the first nine games thirteen to the first fifty. Yeah, they're going to kill the Orioles. The Orioles one two or three Tim explain that. I can't BUSTER which is why baseball is the best game. And always will be because it cannot be explained. It cannot be predicted this this makes me laugh out loud. That all of our game today is trying to predict a projection where this guy where this player where this team is going next when we have no idea what's going to happen today. That's the best part about it. I saw that orient. Lineup. I did opening day in New York. And I looked and I said how are they gonna win fifty games with this team? How can that happen? And then they beat the achey two out of three. This is this could not happen in basketball. There's simply no way that a bad team goes into Chicago Stadium. George during Jordan's prime and beats the bulls once once a bad team on the home court and Orioles came in and beat them two out of three. It was so amazing. But this is why baseball is so great. We're one weekend into this season, and our old friend, Alex Cora manager of the Red Sox already answering questions. Not only about the Red Sox staff, which has a an era of seven point three six starters at thirteen point two. He's also answering questions about the preparation because as you know, the Red Sox as they did in two thousand eighteen they pulled back the reigns. Aware of the pitchers workload Chris sale, David price. Others didn't get a lot of work in in spring training. Because. They're preparing for the long season. What do you make of the Red Sox? So for well, that's the first time since Alex Cora became the manager of the Red Sox that I saw him on truly on the defensive yesterday. And those comments about we'll just look how it worked last year. Nobody said anything about this last year. First off he's a hundred percent, right. But this is also the beauty of baseball's. The defending champs of given up eleven homers in their first four games like this. And there's no explanation for it. No explanation for Chris sale. Getting hit that hard. But I'm with Alex Cora on this. Stay the course, it's only four games. You can't worry too much about this early stuff. But it's the first time I've ever seen even a little bit of defensive nature from Alex Cora because of the beatings taken at his team's taken on this first road trip of the season, which is brutal in itself. They don't play a home game till April the ninth. Are you is curious about Chris tales next starred as I am. Yeah. Look BUSTER, they told us all spring, and I believe him this is one of my real failings as a reporter is they tell me he's completely healthy. But that did not look like Chris sale on opening day. That guy got pounded. And he's one of the great April pitchers you've ever seen. He comes out of the box flying every year and that did not happen. So you need to check. The velocity you need to check the production the next time out. And if you don't see it, maybe then you start to say, do we really have this right in spring training was he really completely healthy in that shoulder? Some Red Sox news that broken Sunday night Zander Bogart's, six years one hundred twenty million dollars in an extension on top of twelve million. This is a shocker to me because Andrew Bogart's is represented by agent, Scott bores and. Look, scott. We talked to in spring training about how it looked like Scott was going to have all the primary clients in free agency next. Fall Garrett Cole perhaps JD Martinez. It was an opt out Zander Bogart's because Scott, historically, as you know takes his clients into free agency. It doesn't always happen saw with Jared Weaver. I got to believe that this was perhaps a Jared Weaver situation. Where Scott's advice to Sander Bogart's, my guess is. I wasn't in the room. Was you know, what let's wait for free agencies. Inter Bogart's saying I'm happy I want the money and like a lot of players concerned about the uncertainty of free agency. What do you think? Right. And again, this is not the same. But it's a Stephen Strasburg situation. He wanted no part of free agency with the nationals. You went Scott and said, let's get this done. I want to stay here. And I don't want to go out there and be the center of attention in free agency. And this is before the free agent market. Completely changed. So I think we should get more and more used to this a young player saying give me the money. I'll take it BUSTER. It's a hundred and twenty million dollars. How could a young player not jump at that these days, especially with the way free agency is, but when it's a Scott client. It's it does raise eyebrows because that's not his MO. But maybe maybe that's changing. Now, I don't think Alex spirit ever problem with me relating this conversation. But he, of course, our friend from the Boston Globe. I asked him last week about some of the thinking behind the Red Sox decisions. And he said, he he his sense is that the Red Sox front office remembers clearly the inner chaos clubhouse chaos that ensued. After the John Lester negotiations didn't go well in the spring of two thousand fourteen and they wanted to bypass that. They want the players to know that they want to invest in some players at least with all these guys you are nearing free agency. So Chris sale get's a contract. Zander Bogart's gets gets a contract. And we'll see if somebody else along the way gets it. But at least the Red Sox players know the ownership is trying to keep this team together. Tim, I I saw an unbelievable scene over the weekend in Philadelphia. On Sunday night. You probably were on a plane, but in the ninth inning of the game on Sunday on March thirty first Phillies fans chanting MVP for Bryce Harper. What a guest. Well, look at lost in all the Bryce Harper three and a half months to sign three hundred and thirty million biggest contract ever. What's he doing? Is. He is a really good middle of the order hitter in the big leagues. And precisely what the Phillies need. He's also one of the great March April hitters we've ever seen. I think that's forty three homers now in his career March and April he crushes it early like Chris sale usually crushes it early. And it doesn't take much in Philadelphia to get people excited, but you add all those guys to that team. And then you add Bryce Harper. And then you go three and owned the first weekend. And is first Homer goes four hundred sixty five feet. This is no surprise to me that Philly fans are jacked about this. Because that's an all the time. I spent Clearwater. This ring BUSTER not one step. Could I take without somebody in the ballpark saying tell? Us. We're gonna get him today. Well, they got him. He's produced and this is what's happening. Well, they must have not have believe me because they had to ask you that question. I got that same question when I went through there. So they weren't satisfied with my answer and went to the one that Kim, I gotta tell you. I never would have guessed that one baseball player would have this sort of impact in on the box office the way that Bryce is maybe in the NBA where LeBron James or some superstar changes hands last year, the Phillies, drew two point two million fans just in talking with Billy's people over the weekend. And they had sellouts in each of the first games, including the brutal cold on Sunday night. They want might wind up drawing three and a half to three point six million people. That's unbelievable jump in one year. Basically around one player. What do you think? Well, he's got great charisma BUSTER, there's no way around that. I mean, you don't have to like him and I happen to like him. And I happened that. Inky is really good for the game that he has some character, and he has some competitiveness, and he has some look we're gonna win today. Kind of thing about him. But that that translates really well to Philadelphia tough place like that tough guy walks in and says follow me now trying to you know, he didn't say it. But said it before let's start printing World Series tickets World Series or bust. That's what the Phillies need, and they respond to someone a tough guy who's got character. And that's what Bryce Harper has. I feel like any high profile free agent in any sport. If they join a new team, she call Bryce Harper and say, hey, what did you do when you went to Philadelphia Tim because I've never seen a player work as hard as he has to ingratiate himself to fans. You know, the first day when he unanswered it not taking ROY Halliday's number thirty four the Philly fanatic, shoes the other day Instagram posts, saying he longs to party paraphrasing long's, the party like. Nick foles, like chase utley champions the bow that he takes now when he runs out to right field, man. He's working hard at connecting with the fans. Right. And BUSTER also lost a little bit. I know he didn't run hard to first base on every play with the nationals, and that's just unacceptable, but to not acknowledge how that guy shows up every day ready to tear your throat out. If you didn't wreck you being general you didn't recognize that in his six years of Washington, then you just weren't watching. This guy really wants to beat you on a daily basis, and it goes back to when he's in junior. College is a high school junior and people are screaming at him from the other team. And he said, I'll show you. That's what he does. Really? Well, and that's what he's doing to people right now. I'll show you. I was worth at three hundred and thirty million. All right. The cubs game that you saw on Sunday ended this way give. Listen. Droop. In the pitch and attended guard gets away couldn't winning. Henry who's walking up living the ten acre? How many infielders you have? You may peace inch for a while Pitt all that claiming and stroke bounces picks kits by contrast, and it's inevitable miracle. Comeback win for the Rachel's hall of Famer Eric new Dell with that call one of five point three the fan and Tim cook here it's one weekend at small sample size. But I felt like you Darvish small sample size on Saturday. That's a five alarm fire. If you're the Chicago Cubs to see him, go out in his first start in walk seven guys in tuned two-thirds innings. That's for me. What about for you? Those were too by the way, really encouraging wins for the Rangers to come back and win the way they did Saturday and Sunday, they were also two very discouraging losses for the cubs. I they walked twelve guys on Saturday and Darvish was he didn't miss by a mile on every pitch they squeezed a little bit. But seven walks in two and two thirds innings ten batters into the game before anyone put a ball in play that was really bad and for the series. The cubs walked twenty guys in three games yesterday. They blew a four run lead. And then they blew a three run lead. And ended up losing that game. I picked the cubs to win the division. I'm sticking with. I think they're going to the playoffs. But I must say three games in. I've looked at that team and said, oh, what is going on here? And so no doubt in that. Cub bullpen, but they're gonna have to start throw a few more strikes here if. This is going to start to go in the right direction. And it jumped out at me that catcher Wilson controllers pretty drek in talking about Darvish on Saturday talking about how motion he was during the course of the game you, and I've talked about in the past how he tends to be someone who puts pressure on himself and for Wilson controllers to say that out loud that feels like a situation where year two with Darvish on the cubs. They're like, okay, let's acknowledge obvious, and let's work on this. What do you think you talk about? You know, we're gonna watch Chris sales next start. How about you Darvish his next start? I mean, what do you think he's gonna do pressure wise on himself? And maybe maybe all that we heard about when the pressure gets really big. He's not as big as he should be all I think we're going to see is next start will be fascinating after one that you just look at shake your head and go my goodness. Is this actually going to happen with this guy? Well, we're going to watch that next one very closely. It was a great weekend for the San Diego Padres, Seattle mayor. Earners off to good start hitting a lot of home runs. I felt like Tim if any team really served notice besides the brewers, and we talked about the brewers and Christian yelich. I thought it was the Tampa Bay rays facing the Houston Astros one of the American League superpowers, and what was a really good series of pitching. I think the numbers were for the weekend series. The Astros pitchers combined for forty six strikeouts in three walks remarkable numbers. And yet the race took three out of four. I think that's the first sign. This is going to be pretty good team. Right. And let's not forget who they're playing the Houston Astros, and they handled that middle of the order beautifully. They held Alex bregman down. It's just another reminder that the rays know exactly what they're doing now with the whole opener thing. But this time, of course, they have three quality major league starters. And then they can fake it or open, it whatever you wanna call it for two games. And with the way that Kevin cash moves that lineup around. He's got so many different. Options that was really impressive. What the raise did the Astros after losing game. One to beat them three in a row and pitch that. Well, another reminder that they're right in the middle of that. While maybe even the division race in the American League east. And Lastly, I want to ask you about a strange situation, a strange response at all happened on Friday, the reported that is something that I had heard before in circles among executives that the team that is deemed most efficient or arbitration gets sort of plastic fake world. Wrestling federation belt in it's a toy belt pass from team to team as they go through the arbitration battles, which you know, and I know agents on the union side teams also prepare for starting back in August. Like, this is something it's important on both sides. So on major league baseball side. The teen does the best gets this belt will the story came out on Friday, and Tony Clark is head of the union. Put out a statement. And there are other players commenting on this too in his response. Tony said that the clubs make sport of trying to suppress salaries, and he feels that's a blatant lack of respect Tim when? I read this. I thought you know, yet teams are trying to repress salaries in agents in arbitration or trying to escalate salaries that's inherent in the process. And it seemed like a strange complaint to me and reminded me of a pitcher being upset with a batter flipping a bat. And I talked to agents talked to executives they thought it was kind of odd too. I thought the more important news of the day on Friday was the fact that for the second straight year salaries are going down, which is a for me a much bigger concern for the union. What you make of all that? Yeah. And the whole arbitration thing has really is really not a very a very good thing for baseball, as we know I covered this in the mid eighties for the first time and teams take tremendous pride in winning an arbitration battle. They and this is in the eighties. They used to take their best people say figure out how we're going to beat this guy. And it is a win-lose thing. Maybe. It shouldn't be. But this is how teams approach it. And it's never a healthy situation where they just tear into one of their own players and tell them how terrible he is. And the residue of that is something now where maybe they shouldn't give out a belt like that. But it's just trying to reward a team for saying you guys did a good job. Maybe not in repressing salaries. But in just presenting things the way, they should be presented, and I understand the union being upset about this. But this is the job the responsibility of the club to make sure that they run their business properly. And that's how they look at it the union, of course, doesn't look at it that way at all. Yeah. And we've established on the spot cast your lot nicer than I am look. I don't understand why the union is upset about this. I wrote an apiece on Sunday, you know, that when the owners had their butts kicked by gene Orson dont fear in the one thousand nine hundred five strike when they got the court cases decided. If origin fears shared a handshake or a high five or backflips or a bottle of champagne. Hey, that's the way it goes. Right. It's that's the nature of of labor relations each side is pushing and pulling and I can't get upset about either side doing something like being happy. And that's what I felt like that that statement the other day by Tony was like we don't like the way you're celebrating. And I heard from agents like who cares? What they do. Just win the next case, right? We ask our players to be wildly competitive every day and try to win all this is the front office in baseball being wildly competitive and trying to win. And you're right. Buster you should not are you in a player gets excited about something? And you shouldn't be shouldn't be offended when management gets excited about something or the union leaders, which you know, that they can when they win your arbitrating cases. Who cares Tim? Thanks for doing this. Enjoy your game tonight. Okay. Buster thank. Wchs. Before Sunday night. Baseball Mattis Gershon set out in the stands with Bryce Harper to talk to them about joining the Phillies give a lesson. Let's go back to the winter the decision that you made to sign here. And there was a lot written about the dinner. You had in Vegas with Phillies managing partner, John Middleton. His wife Li you and your wife Kayla. You guys had a lot of conversation. What were the one or two things that John said that clicked in your mind Phillies, the place? Yeah. A sit down John here. He is very very personal with everything he talked about. Here's very real with everything talked about, you know, I think it needed to be like that. I think needs to be very upfront. You know, it was a decision that he was gonna make for a long period of time and myself as well there needs to be trust on both sides. And we're able to you know, we were able to do that. I mean, we got along very, well we met back to back days while we're in Vegas and for dinner and for about a brunch before they came back, and it just felt right? Kayla where we'll sit down the next couple of days and really talk about it and think about it Sanford and came in after that, and then you know, LA came after that as well. But you know, every time we talked about failure. And even mentioned Philly was felt right? Philly fans will they'll put their arms around you. And love you when things are going good, and they're happy. But they'll let you know when they're unhappy. Have you considered the time thirteen years? It's inevitable will happen some point when that goes down. Yeah. I mean, I think that's why you know fans that love sports and love, you know, their teams in their city understand that they want the best product out there every single night that they can have, you know, they're coming out here and supporting us each and every night, and they deserve to get that. And you know, that just makes me wanna be the best player. I can't for this city be the best person for this city on the field and in the community. And you know, it's just it's like you said, it's it's kind of inedible in the next thirteen years. We're going to have some up and down season. It's just part of the game as part of the process. Hopefully, win we win more than we lose, of course. And if we can come together as a team and do that then this fan base, of course, is going to support us each and every single night. And you know, that's all we can ask for as we watch the suburban garden. I'm Kathleen Kennedy without stubbing it. He notice moves like social tool, it's inanimate and utterly without brain function. But despite that when it got known his how Iko not only saves people money, but also gives them access to licensed agents twenty four seven online and over the phone. It's clear to them. You should switch because. Yes. Switching to Geico is a no brainer on second thought. Maybe don't watch God knows to carefully people might talk. Todd Radim is he chief executive while weekly quiz easy, graphic artist. Who's working be seeing on ballfields all across America all around the world. And Todd before we get to our weekly quiz. You have lit American fire. Tremendous response to the first episode of cap talk the other day, and you did plan to talk about one particular team. I'll save that information for us. But then I from the ballpark. I have to say this correctly T mobile park in Seattle. I went and got three caps to them. Or for me? Mariners caps won the old throwback with a Trident of the Mariners. I put them on the in the dugout bench. In the visitor side in tweeted out a picture and ask which one did you would you prefer? That's the one. I got for Josh men. It was a lot of response and you call the inaudible on the conversation this week. Yeah. I mean, it's really very timely. So here we go. The Mariners tried. I mean, there are many things are they arming or they cheesy or they classic or are they dated? So let's throw it out. And see what we got. Yeah. I'll I'll go first here. I love them. I love them. I think honestly, I think they rival the m b baseball glove brewers logo as the coolest logo. Wow. In baseball history. The Expos logo in there as well. Todd. I know you're not a fan because it's upside down, and that goes against Greek mythology, but I think turning the tried and upside down to make an M, which of course means Mariners. I think it's incredibly creative incredibly cool in the color scheme is gorgeous. Yeah. I gotta jump in here. I don't know how I'm gonna do in this week's quiz, but it's already wind because I just heard the expert sort of scoffed at Josh about. Oh, wow. Wow. I interrupt person. I think it was the inference that I'm like, you know, all down with Greek mythology that this drives my my entire conversation here. But go on BUSTER. Well, no, that's what I was going to make the point. I was great for me to hear you laugh at joshes theory. You know, because you're the expert not Joshua. And I love the fact he sorted dismissed them. It'd be like be trying to talk hitting with JD Martinez. We'll have to come through the bad with the plane. Josh telling you, what's what's going on with the tried. And no, no, this is this is all a very personal thing. But but BUSTER, let's hear what you have to say. And then we can then we could beat on each other with this come up. Well, this is definitely one where I got to tell you that after tweeted out that picture of the three caps and asked which one that folks preferred some of the responses to me, we go back into my the fact that I'm colorblind 'cause people are like, well, I like that one. But I like it with Kiel Bill or one on the left, but I like it with the green or whatever color was, and I'm like, I have no idea what you're referring to like, I I don't even know what the colors are that on the apps that I put down so I couldn't in all seriousness going back to. The Griffey days. You couldn't tell the difference between the road cap and the home cap that one of them was navy and the other one was you can't tell the difference between navy and -til. Well, no, I can see that. There is a difference. But I just can't identify him in like someone my mind's I can say, oh, yes. The 'til would stand off much better against the the logo there. Now. I just my brain doesn't work like that. And so I I personally like the old where they have the Seattle Mariners in the circle tidy could probably describe it better than I can. I like that one of the three rather than the Trident. Well, let me jump in here and just say hearkening back to something we've discussed before he'll discussion I'm going to phone north west grand Pantani twenty nine. Thanks todd. We'll talk to you next week or a gusting. Well. Let let's like let's keep an Arlene over here. So the Trident I, you know, I was I think there's like this of comparison as far as I'm concerned, and you know, my feelings about the original Blue Jays, look they came in at the same time. And I've had this thing for decades and decades, and it's just it's not as good now having said that the whole Greek mythology thing aside, you know, I think there's definitely charm to it. It was really in use for such a short period of time for some very unsuccessful early expansion. Mariners teams. I mean, you know, we can we can look at who wore this particular cap. And you know, it ain't Ken Griffey junior is all I'm going to say so. Yeah. But but Josh to two and this. We can move BUSTER away from this part of the conversation, the colors were awesome that really blew and very vivid yellow gold, really, vibrant, especially for a team that played under that concrete dome. So, you know, I'm not totally totally down on the tried it. But but I do think that again there's comparison to be made here. The the Trident was then squeezed into a star following the one thousand nine hundred seventy nine all star games played in the king dome. And then they go to this sort of nebulous generic vanilla s with a with a drop shadow. And then we arrive at the compass rose the spirit handsome. Kind of timeless successful thing. So, you know, I'm not totally down with or on the Trident. And and but all I'm going to say, it's just, you know, don't don't tempt to the gods inside. And and all that stuff. Well, maybe that's why they are so unsuccessful we're in that cap L paraphrase, everything they would just said Todd agrees with me the expert agrees with me. Josh, you're wrong ridiculous. Both ridiculous. Well, it should soon. The Trident hat will be in your possession. Josh, thankfully for me. Because I don't want it in my house. All right. Let's get to this week's quiz, or I guess here we go. So Josh has taken the lead one nothing just saying over here. It's an early and there's a long way to go. But here's this week's question. Which one of these hall of famers, never never wore the name of his team's home location on the front of his jersey at any point during his career city. Your state, no trickery, never wore the home location. Wasn't a Dave Winfield. Be robin. Yount see Hank Aaron or D critic Bijou one of these men never wore the name of his home city or state. Wow. Winfield yount Aaron Bijou now. And in my still going I under the old rules. Yes. We stick with those. Yes. Okay. In the interest of time. I'm going to streamline it. I could sit here, and mole, and mole and mole and talk over. But I'm gonna say it's Craig busy. Oh. Man. Yeah. I have I have it down to two Winfield yount Aaron BG. Oh. Boy, sorry. I'm dragging this out. I'd like it. Yeah. Now, he's taken them at times. I gonna take and taught I appeal for we need some parliament Ray area. And yes, some some Brexit or something. Yeah. Exactly. I'm going to say the gentleman yield is time and give it back water or Robin yount. Well, you're both wrong because it was Hank. Aaron dang it. Oh that was my second choice. Oh, yes. Hank Aaron both breathes and brewers just Braves and brewers never Milwaukee Atlanta. So. Trench warfare begins, the tragic invest gust, and we moved forward, man. Oh, that's awesome. What a great quiz top. Thanks for doing this. And thanks for adjusting on the fly. They talk about the Trident. We'll keep discover station going guys. Thanks a lot. So before every Sunday night baseball game. I talked to a lot of players and try to get some background collect some thoughts and observations from various players, and I asked Freddie, Freeman about Ronald kunia junior. And I tell you what what he said surprise me how you hitter rise since the beginning of last year. He's taken walks. That's that's the biggest thing. He wants to hit the swing is still wants to do that. I think it's gets a little upset when he walks but won t learn take his walks in the second half. He became a whole different player. Opening. They took two walks. Got a pitch the hit me. That's gonna make them in the mitroff level in my opinion. You said I remember talking to you once about that. I want to say like four years ago. I was like what turnaround you see stops pitch zone. That's the whole key telling them that. A little bit. They're not gonna give in. They're not gonna give them this in the big leagues. They're going to him being twenty one years old. They're going to see if he's going to chase. See if he gets frustrated, I still get frustrated. Believe me I do. I wanna hit two. But when you find yourself sort of swinging when you've got a real back in and if he's taking walks really on like he did day. It's leaking to see Ronald kunia income players. When did you start to see that change? After after he came back from his injury. Here's a little different player. Especially in the second half the season. Once he started taking walks really didn't know what to do anymore because they were getting he's getting into. Here's counts every single a bad. It seemed like and he started making him pay. And that's great do. Do. Day that I that forty five thousand he doesn't take the fat off his shoulders draws that wall had fallen behind to is that just kind of a sign that his. I'm sure it's I don't know what is ceiling is. You know, it's every single day does something as well. As you. To be twenty one years old, and I day to go out there and your first they'd be promise you I've been swing. I say. So. Even in spring training. He was taking you thinking a lot more pitchers in spring training. I don't know if he's trying to set hitters set up for the season. But a lot more than I was accustomed to seeing. And if he starts if he's doing that, I don't know where you can go as a pitcher. I don't really see you need bowls. Doesn't matter. If you forward he's still gonna get you basically Thursday was off curveball. It doesn't matter. What you throw. He's ready to hit. He's certainly layoff tough pitches. It's going to be a problem. We heard Gade Kappler furious about retail skins getting hit by a pitch on Sunday night. Well before that game gave us a little calmer. When he talked our boop shabby here were the skipper of the Philadelphia Phillies game Kappler year two for you. And you got a bunch of new faces. And obviously the guy in right field is the biggest name in the newest face, Bryce Harper. And there's a buzz isn't there you were just talking with some of the assembled media about opening day everybody's excited, and then there's usually a little bit of a lull, but we're here for Sunday night baseball and we were yesterday, and there's still a buzz. Yeah. The buzz is like it's opening day tonight. And that's unheard of the interesting thing about opening day is we came in to die game feeling like we had one five or six straight. Right. That was the buzz in the building. Like we had already. We already had some wins under our belt. That's how the fans were reacting. And now we do actually actually have a couple of win of wins under about it still feels like opening data's still preparing the same way still the same level of excitement. And you know, we got a lot of work to do. But. Doesn't mean that. We can't celebrate the good moments that have happened. So far, what do you like about this team? When you when you look at this team on paper, and you say man over one sixty two this is what will be really good at. I love the fact that our our clubhouse is filled with leaders. So I think last year one of our young leaders Reese Hoskins was it was in a tough spot. He had less than a year of service time, and he was the biggest voice in the clubhouse on the position players side. And now we've added some people around him to help support that incredible voice. It's Andrew mccutchen. It's JT rail mood though, it's Bryce Harper. It's still Jerry Jake Arrieta. It's an Aaron Nola who feels even more compelled to speak his mind. And now, we have a collection of leaders. There are more. I mean, I think that that Caesar Hernandez has leadership characteristics. Hector Narus spoke on our opening night in spring training and delivered some really powerful. Words. So we have a lot of guys who are pulling the rope in the same direction. If there's anything that stands out to me. It's leadership. Would you learn from last year we were just talking off the air about maximizing a lineup as opposed to or I should say maybe including or contemplating player comfort. Yeah. So last year, I really utilized information. I was really interested in in utilizing information and sometimes a stoic way in an unemotional way this year. I think I've recognized how important it is to put players in their most comfortable positions because that comfort could lead to confidence. And one thing we know is that confident baseball players are good baseball player. So although we are still going to try to get tactical advantage where we can not at the expense of stripping away comfort for players. Good to see you. Thanks for the time. Thanks, boo. Pre shit it bleach. Your tweets some really interesting Bleacher tweeds BUSTER and some new blood some new people getting involved, which is always good to see we got this one from Harry loves sports at not. Camera. One Harry says which is more likely to happen Craig kimbrel signing a one year deal with a contender or signing a long term deal with a hopeful team that has a bright future, and I checked on this on Sunday. And what I'm told is he still looking for a long term deal. Okay. Do you think it will be with the team that has playoff aspirations this year? I it's a work in progress. But right now, he's still sticking to that request for long-term deal. Fair. Enough quest is next at quest. Cold tribe BUSTER with the new trade deadline will we see early season trades where we hadn't previously. Yeah. And the first person actually heard mentioned that was Ravitch on this podcast when he talked about sort of pre deadline trades where teams that feel like, you know, what we're going to be on the fence at the end of July. Let's boost the team up here for the next five weeks if we can make some inroads in the standings of we can't we don't players at the end of July. I do think there's gonna be some of that. I followed up his comment talk to executives with teams. And they thought that that's certainly a possibility you'll see that diamond dasher next up at diamond dasher one guys if Bryce Harper could take a sub five hundred Phillies team from a year ago and lead them into the postseason deep into the postseason in two thousand nine thousand nine would it be the biggest impact in recent memory? Boy, I tell you what when the Diamondbacks. Go Randy Johnson. And Curt Schilling. Yeah. How's that going out the CC's about the assigning where the Yankees win the World Series? The first year marked Shera there have been guys who've had a bigger as big an impact that is your describing. I think in the past on the field. Josh I've never seen one baseball player. Make as much of an impact in terms of the interest in the team is there isn't Bryce Harper. When it's true. It's true. And I forget who tweeted out the photo might have even been Todd. But like the Phillies team store like all they have is Harper jerseys. I mean, it's incredible. Well, he's he's not even the the only the only good player on the team. They they have some dudes and you go to their team store in pretty much all you can buy a number three jersey. It's it's unbelievable. Rebel sports at rebel sports. One wants to know is it an overreaction to say the cubs need to start panicking with their pitching issues just three games into the season. Or is this valid concern. Despite how early into the year we are. It's a valid concern with your Darvish, and I don't think there's any getting around that we talked about it on sportscenter on Sunday morning. He's in year two a six year one hundred twenty six million dollar deal. The cubs farm system is down in part because of the trades. They made is they won the World Series in two thousand sixteen. And have made the playoffs in recent seasons. So they don't have a lot of resources right now to improve this pitching. They need you Darvish to to contribute. And Josh that first outing. Wow, I seven walks into into thirds. It is a concern. I agree with Tim. You know, those are the two most watched starters this week are Chris sale, and you Darvish what do you think? No question about it. Yeah. And I think both are concerning. And if they come out that you mentioned this with him if they both come out for their second start and log a similarly unsettling performance, man, you gotta wonder what's going on a couple more here. Let's get to this one from Duval at Duval county buck which is a more surprising start to the season. The success of the Blue Jays rotation. The Orioles taking the series in Yankee Stadium or the Mariners. Finding many ways to win getting off to a great start. Yeah. We've established I never say anything. Nice about the Mariners. You know? I'm just kidding. Because they disappointed me so many times passing predictions. It's pretty cool to see their offense. Like they're gonna get in talking with those guys last week. There was a lot of confidence in Tim Beckham. Dee Gordon that that team is going to head. We'll see how that goes. I can't say anything other than the Yankees take the series and Yankees. I mean, the Orioles series and Yankee Stadium two out of three from the Yankees won baseball superpowers from a team that won forty seven games last year. That was a shocker to me. What about you big time? It's definitely that. Especially since we were talking all spring about. Hey, the Yankees and their schedule and how it lines up for them to get off to a hot start. This is certainly not what they had in mind in. Finally, we got this one from Nathan Nathan is at G nilly ninety seven BUSTER who would you say was the MVP of opening weekend. Harper yelich, Goldschmidt, or Bellinger, and Nathan you inspired me to send out a poll question on Twitter. And as I wrote to borrow from our friends Golic and wingo who won major league baseball first weekend. And. I put those four names out there, yell at Goldschmidt Bellinger Harper and a runaway winner and in less than two hours. We got almost twenty thousand votes runaway winner Christian yell at sixty four percent, Bryce Harper. Seventeen percent. Goldschmidt fourteen percent Bellinger five percent. I'd say that's about right? Don't you think? Josh. I think so. Yeah. And I'm glad to see that. It was so overwhelming because I agree that it is yellow she got my vote and to see that myself and sixty four percent of the voters agree makes me feel good. Well, you are right. Italy are you and Tim or wrong? And when I I mean, I'm sorry. The end of the year, you're gonna go, you know, that yelich trade that's one of the better trades in history. Forgets rock move over. Lou brock. Here's a Christian yelich. Absolutely. Hey, great. Great Bleacher tweets today. Great to see some new blood in the Bleacher tweet segment. Why don't you get involved? Just make sure you use the hashtag Bleacher tweets, that's it for today. And I got a long list of people to think Bryce Harper Mattie v. Freddy Freeman Tim Kirch in gate Kappler Todd rate and Beauchamp. Josh forget, anybody me. Oh, yeah. Thanks to you. We're going to everybody. Thanks for listening for listening to the baseball tonight podcast if you're playing fantasy baseball don't forget to listen to the fantasy, focus podcast checkout. 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First Thursday, March 2020

Labor Relations Information System

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First Thursday, March 2020

"Hello Folks Welcome to the March Twenty twenty edition of First Thursday the monthly podcast from the Labor Relations Information System. My name is well Aitchison. I'll be your host for the next forty five minutes or an hour or so while we go over recent developments in the public safety workplace. I just got a couple of quick administrative things that I wanNA talk to you about And then I want to dive into the cases because we have six of them this month and boy they are interesting so the administrative things. I first of all I hear from people from time to time who subscribe to our newsletter. Who listened to these first Thursday podcast? But who don't know that with our newsletter subscription the subscription to public safety labor news you get the premium podcast for free and you do. That's the package that we put together. You not only get the premium podcasts. 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You'd better registered register for it soon so with that. Let's get into the cases and let's start with Fire Department of New York case on a facial hair and what the court ends up calling and I love these two phrases the empty vessel of light duty and the driving calculus of bureaucracy. Boy You see those phrases and you know you're GonNa like the court's opinion no matter how it comes out. I mean no matter what the result is I read so much in the way of dry court decisions out there that when you have a judge who actually can put pen to paper or fingers keyboard and come up with something. That is creative. You just love it and that's the case here. It's also I think pretty important case so behind the fact I like the writing. So this is a case involving four firefighters for the Fire Department of New York. One of them goes by the name of Salikh Bay. They are all African. American men who were employed by the firefighters fire department for many years all four of them suffer from a condition. That's known as pseudo Lights Bar by a probably call it be when I talk about this case. That's a physiological condition that causes disfigurement of the skin inflammation In the hair bearing areas of the Chin Cheek and neck It grossly disproportionately affects African. American men it affects approximately forty five eighty five percent of African American men. No other racial group is even in double digits of this has a significant adverse impact on the basis of race and most importantly for the purposes of our KS. Pf is exacerbated by shaving with a razor down to the skin makes it much worse okay. So that's the background now. Under the department's what's called respiratory protection standard of firefighters who are entering an area that has the potential dangerous to life or health. All have to wear a self contained breathing apparatus When that requirement came into place and because of their skin condition the four firefighters sought a medical accommodation from the department that would allow them to maintain closely. Cropped FACIAL. Hair uncut by a razor. Sometimes these are called shadow beards. They go by a variety of different names. That department did. The right thing subjected the firefighters to a fit test that was designed by Osha to make sure that their mass and had the proper seal and that the firefighter was breathing from the air in the tank and not anything else that might be contaminated The mass pass the test When it was worn by firefighters who had this closely cropped facial hair and so in two thousand fifteen. The Department granted the requested accommodation in these four. Firefighters were allowed to have these very short beards. there were subsequent. Follow up that tests. That were administered by the department and a bunch of reports from the field in everything indicated. It all worked. So why do we have a lawsuit? Right everybody's happy. The department's happy to firefighters are happy to public is happy and everyone's happy except in two thousand eighteen. We have an acting chief of safety for the Department looks around and says I need something to do. Actually that's not in the court opinion. That's just my my opinion And he revokes the medical accommodation and orders the firefighters to shave their beards or be reassigned to light duty. The firefighters soup and they say the revocation of the accommodation violated with the violated. The Americans with Disabilities Act and this ends up with a federal court in New York and it ends up at what's known as the summary Judgment Stage You know I use phrases like summary Judgment from time to time and I realize I don't explain them. What summary Judgment means is who's ever filing a summary Judgment Motion. Sometimes it's both sides right. Who's ever filing a summary? Judgment motion is saying to the court. Okay we'll get a trial out there somewhere in the future but the facts of the case are undisputed all. We have is a legal argument and we win on the legal argument so summary. Judgement has a way of short cutting a trial in cases. Where there's no honest dispute as to what the material facts are so. This case comes before the court on summary Judgment a summary Judgment motion that has filed by the department and the court goes down the usual approach of how these Ada cases are considered The first question is because we're under the ADA is whether or not these. Firefighters are suffering from a disability And the court says well that's that's easy because they're certainly perceived as having a disability here and and they also suffer from major or limitation substantial limitation in a major life activity. What's the major life activities that their disability causes them to be substantially limited the ability to groom which is listed by the EEOC as a major life activity so step one firefighters potentially covered by the Ada? Then we get to Step to the departments answer to that department says hey. Firefighters aren't precluded from shaving. They only and I'm quoting cannot shave with a razor down to the skin because of PF. And therefore there's no substantial limitation on their major activity of grooming courtesan buying it the court says PF significantly restricted. The manner in which the firefighters shaved. It's reasonable to conclude that the limitations in grooming experienced by the firefighters are not likely to be encountered by the average person. Now we get down to where the real action is in the case with got four employees who have a disability and the next question is can the employer reasonably accommodate disability because he. Ada requires employers to reasonably accommodate a disability and the court says yeah Absolutely on the reasonable accommodation issue. These firefighters were reasonably accommodated. Nobody thought there was a problem with. They're they're going to fire scenes wearing these mass. They pass the fifth test. It wasn't an issue until we had this acting chief who simply changed the rules then department brings out. It's kind of last gasp argument here in the last gasp. Argument is that These firefighters you know we just assign them to light duty. We didn't fire them. So we didn't take adverse action against them and therefore they don't have any claim under the Ada and this is where the court waxes eloquently about the whole issue of firefighting. Here's what the court says. I'm going to read you that to three sentences ample evidence in the record indicates that the essential function of the job. The firefighters were hired to do was to respond to fires and other emergencies and admired position of service to the public by contrast the assignment. The light duty was an empty vessel of opportunities to carry out these tasks in accommodation allowing the firefighters to put their lives at stake to fight fires and protect the public from dangers rather than seeming to shirk. These responsibilities would be a reasonable accommodation here. Placement on light duty effectively demoted the firefighters. To second rate firefighters so There you say the court finding that in effect putting someone on light duty is a demotion it. I'm not one hundred percent convinced that unless you can show that there's some economic impact on the firefighters and the court doesn't get into the whole issue of whether there's an economic impact and there might well be right loss of overtime loss premium bay You can imagine Several and For whatever reason the court doesn't a discussed that issue and instead just treats the placement on light duty as a demotion because of the way the firefighters would be viewed by their peers and the public. Now let's get to the The courts closing comments and I are. They're not so much relevant for a legal issue as they are to give you the courts mindset and let me tell you one year arguing these cases particularly you know sometimes these technical sorts of cases and ADA cases can be really technical. Their Labor Standards Act. Cases can be really technical. Your job as a lawyer is to get out there and to humanize the whole situation for the court so the court understands that these sometimes fairly complicated legal has that they have real live consequences for people and their work lives and you can tell by what the court rights here that the court yet said. So what is it the court? How DOES THE COURT END? It's I'm going to quote three cents. The department admits that no heightened safety risk to firefighters or the public was presented by the accommodation previously in effect. Two and a half years passed without incident and the firefighters continue to perform their job satisfactorily. The department's decision to abandon the prior accommodation was not based on actual safety risk to firefighters or the public rather driving. The Calculus was bureaucracy. I should pause for a moment. And just give the author of that opinion Kudos that's very impressive. So this is by the way one of a string of PSEUDO PHILOSOPHY. Light Bar by cases That are out there. They come in a lot of different flavors several of them come in the context of an Ada lawsuit asked us this baby versus city of New York case but others come in other contexts. For example. There's a a newer case That involve a newer police department. Where the department did in fact make accommodations for police officers who have. Pfp and didn't require them to Shave. But then the next set of officers came around and said our religion. They were Muslims. Our religion prohibits us from saving from shaving. The department said no to those accommodations and a federal court said. Hey you've already established that having Or some of your officers having beards as a reasonable accommodation you bestow that in the disability environment you're going to have to offer the same accommodations in the religious discrimination environment so different sorts of cases. But you know where they all come down to is. Can the employer prove that the individual can't do the essential functions of the job with a beard and that is becoming an increasingly difficult burden of proof for employers next up? We've got a new winegarden case out of Pennsylvania that it's doesn't really establish any new principals but it does a good job I think of explaining some of the basic precepts of winegarden and what an employer's options are winegarden. I assume everybody knows but just in case is the Supreme Court decision that whole set. An employee who reasonably believes could be subject to disciplinary action is entitled to Union Representation on request The weingarten is a federal decision under the National Labor Relations Act. It's been adopted by state. Labor boards all across the country. And if you're in a collective bargaining environment chances are Weingarten exists so. What's this case all about? Well it's It involves Septa the southeastern Pennsylvania Transit Authority thats the Transit System in Philadelphia and the environs of Philadelphia. They have a pretty large police department and They they officers are represented by something called the fraternal order of transit police. This case involves an officer by the name of Mark Burn and others but mark burned most prominently burn a new officer. He was hired in December of two thousand seventeen Or excuse me he. He was hired two and a half years ago and in December two thousand seventeen. He responded to a radio call that there was a man in the track area of one of septa trains. Four other SEPTA officers respond as well. the five officers get into some sort of altercation with the suspect and they end up arresting him and then transporting to the hospital after all. This happens burn is interviewed by a detective. And they detective asked him some questions types up his responses and then asked him to sign the statement and the department on the basis of what burn and others had to say initiated an internal affairs investigation and during Burns interview. The investigator questioned him about a discrepancy between his statement to the detective and the footage that was available from platform surveillance and body worn cameras. And after the Internal Affairs Interview Burn is actually placed on restricted duty for three days Septa takes away as firearm removed from patrol duty as so obviously at that point in time. Septa thanks burn is a suspect and potentially using excessive force in this encounter With the individual who was on the tracks? Well eventually the I. A. Investigation Winds Up And what happens? Is that two of the other officers on the scene. Were of fired and the department began a criminal investigation into the incident burn and the remaining two officers member. We had five to begin with were cleared in the internal affairs investigation. So now the investigation is going on and the department summons burn in for the Criminal Investigation Burn and the other two officers. The department says the same thing to all three officers. You have no right to representation because no disciplinary consequences can come out of your internal affairs interview and the department also says that the officers won't be given garrity warnings but what be disciplined if they refuse to answer questions or answer the questions untruthfully pause for a that case doesn't talk about that last piece and it probably shouldn't have because it's not relevant to the winegarden issue but cannon employer tell officers. Look we're about to question you? We are not gonNA give you garrity warnings. We are not going to order you to talk but we will fire you if you refuse to talk or if if you give us a statement and answer untruthful now. That's all messed up if a department is going to order somebody to talk whether in a criminal investigation or an administrative investigation under any circumstances that the department's going to order someone to talk garrity applies and the statements of the officer and the fruits of statement can't be used against the officer and a subsequent criminal prosecution. Not only that most courts say that. If Garrity applies the employee has to be given garrity warnings so when the Department here saying to the officers look not GonNa give me garrity warnings. But you gotTa Talk. That's all that's wrong but let's glide passer because that's not what the subject of this case is about so after the best gators say that to the three officers police chief butts in personal appearance meets with the officers and the paternal or fraternal order transit polices president and chief says luck is done We did not conclude that you guys committed any departmental violations. You're in no jeopardy of discipline and these interviews were a BAFTA do or no different than the reports we expect from you on your day to day cases you are not a target of a criminal investigation that department than interviews. The Officers Without Union representation the union files and unfair labor practice charge with pencil. Pennsylvania's Labor Relations Board saying that. Denial of representations violated they officers Weingarten rights. And the whole thing goes to hearing and a hearing officer says Yeah winegarden clearly applies to these sorts of interviews or at least Benicio it did at the start if dead but then that apartment told the officers. They could not be disciplined and Weingarten rights. The right to representation turns on an employee's reasonable belief that they could be disciplined here by assuring the employees that they would not be disciplined here. The department could effectively eliminate the right to representation. Here's a couple of lines From the hearing officers recommendations that I think are the most sailing where the employer gives the employees reasonable assurances that they will not be disciplined as a result of answering the employers questions. Generally the employees should rely on that representation and not have any fear of discipline wear however the assurances are less than convincing the right to representation still prevails in this case. The record shows that Septa assured the three police officers who were subject to the criminal investigation that no discipline would result from meeting. There is no credible evidence to suggest that the chiefs assurances were less than convincing hance no right to representation. I want to put to footnotes on that opinion. If I can first of all you notice how they hearing officer sort of used hedging language when When he wrote those sentences that I just read you So for example where the employer gives assurances that employees will not be disciplined. Generally the employees should rely on that representation. What what's the hearing officer alluding to and he doesn't say but pretty clear from other decisions and other states What the hearing officer is alluding to sometimes the employer can say you won't be disciplined but as sort of MONTY PYTHON. Wink wink nod nod thing Where the employer then engages in behavior that's entirely to the contrary of what came out of the employer's representatives mouth. There's a wonderful case out of Washington's Public Employment Relations Commission where a department sat down with a. I think she was a dispatcher And told her at the start of the interview that she would not be subject to disciplinary action and then proceeded to conduct just about the most accusatory threatening interview you can imagine and Washington's Public Employment Relations Commission held you know what if the employer it actually you know behaved reasonably after telling the employees. They weren't entitled a Union Representation. There would be no right to representation but here everything the employer said and did after making that statement everything. The employer said and did belied what? The statement was indicated to the employees that they could be disciplined hands right to representation. So that's what that generally means. Generally the employees should rely on that representation footnote to can tell. I've been writing. Brace lately foot do what now to where the employer says to the employees. You won't be disciplined as a result of this investigation. The employer stuck with that so employers. Better be careful. The four they make that representation to employees not gonNA spend a lot of time on this next case comes out of a Polk County Oregon It's another Brady case. And it's another example of an officer. losing a lawsuit against a prosecutor for wrongful placement on the Brady list. I just WanNa tell you though I want to identify for you the two themes in this case that we're starting to see all around the country in these Brady list cases So this case involves a deputy sheriff in Polk County by the name of Shaun Laddy The local district attorney a guy named Aaron Felton Place Laddy on his Brady list The sheriff's department reacted by reassigning laddy from patrolled corrections work on the grounds that he could no longer testify in court Laddy then sued Felton saying the reassignment deprived him of constitutionally protected interest because he had a reasonable expectation of entitlement to his position as a patrol. Deputy and because his placement on the Brady lists Stigmatized him and harmed his employment prospects. A federal court of Barely Wrote like two pages in dismissing this lawsuit and what are the two essential ground really two and a half but what are the two essential grounds on which the court dismisses the lawsuit. First of all court says prosecutors at least in Oregon and this is true almost everywhere. They are agents of the state when there is a criminal prosecution that has brought it has stayed aboard versus Jones or Smith or whoever it is they are state actors and under the Eleventh Amendment to the United States Constitution. A citizen may not sue the state in federal court on the less state consents to the lawsuit and here. Oregon hasn't therefore no possibility of a lawsuit in Federal Court under the Eleventh Amendment against a prosecutor. And that's becoming pretty standard law right. Now what's the second reason? The court dismisses the lawsuit. It's prosecutorial immunity. The court says prosecutor acting in his prosecutorial capacity enjoys absolute immunity from suits for money. Damages and to the extent that laddis claims here are for money damages and they were Those claims also have to be dismissed key in on those words absolute immunity. There's different degrees of immunity in the lavas qualified. Immunity absolute immunity. Are the two most common terms that you say qualified. Immunity is a type of immunity. That people have that can be lost if they behave very badly so for example if they act to intentionally harm somebody else or they act with reckless disregard of the harm that they can bring to somebody else. They will lose their qualified immunity and they can be sued absolute immunity made. You can't lose that immunity even if you act intentionally to harm somebody even if you act recklessly in this case even a Felton said you know you know what laddy. I don't like you cut in front of me. The other day in line At a starbucks. I'm placing you on my brady. Last absolute immunity would mean that laddy could not sue Felton for wrongful placement on the Brady list. I said there were two and a half theories that the court used here. Remember what what Laddy is really arguing. Here is sort of a due process notion That he had a right to a hearing before placement on the Brady less before he was stigmatized in that fashion And that Ends up getting or accordions Kenyan On whether or not laddy had a constitutionally protected property interest in his job as patrolled happy and the court said no There there is none. There's nothing in the collective bargaining agreement That covered laddy that gave him such a property right. They're certainly nothing in Oregon State Law that gives him such a property right Nor do we have any sort of idea how a district attorney not the employer could potentially impact that property right so the case is gone and this is the way lawsuits against prosecutors for wrongful placement. Oughta brainless come out Law Enforcement Officers lose them. There's only a mild exception and it's a mild exception and it comes to US Firma. Decision of the New Hampshire springboard so mild exception where the placement of the only thing that the officer is suing for is to get removed from the Brady list not suing for damages or anything like that just is saying look. My rights were violated by my wrongful placement on a brady last. I need to be removed from the list. And there are a couple of cases out of New Hampshire. Say That can be done. And I know there's cases going on around the country that are now based on the ruling the New Hampshire Spring Court. But that's about it You can get placed on Brady list. You can get fired because you're placed on a brady list and you can't sue the prosecutor who may have wrongfully placed you on that Brady list. That's the law. By the way this is why for example. We're starting to see state statutes around the country governing Placement Auto Brady list. We have three states California Maryland and Washington. That adopted statutes that. Say That an employer may not put may not take adverse employment action against an employee employees merely for placement on Brady list. The employer needs to show whatever it is. The underlying misconduct is We have a another state right now. Airs Zona that's considering a statute. At least it was as a couple of days ago The legislature was debating it. That would give officers due process rights before they could be placed on Brady List and certainly a legislature can can do that if it's so inclined to help it's the harshness of the law in cases like Laddis that I think is encouraging legislatures. To say you know there. There's something wrong here and we need to do something to fix it. So that officers. Who are wrongfully placed on? Hilas have some meaningful job protections because this could be the end of their careers next up. I've got an Illinois case it's On a topic. That's near and dear to my heart. Which is can a lawyer be sued Four are sued by a grievance For allegedly handling a case on behalf of a union in a negligent fashion. I've actually never seen this case or this sort of case litigated before and I was real curious to see it pop up and actually the result can surprise me. I'm not sure it's the wrong result. I'll just tell you the result kind of surprise me okay. So what's this all about? This is about a guy named Russell's Zander who's a police officer with the village of Fox Lake in Illinois Zander does bad stuff and They police chief files. Formal charges recommending ZANDER's termination ZANDER's Labor Organization is the Illinois State Council of the Fraternal Order of police. And they're the State Council actually has a Labor function. I know in most parts of the country the F. O. P. doesn't have a Labor function but a dozen Illinois Eh Pretty Big One. They've got a fair amount of attorneys on staff And the MVP assigns attorney by the name of Roy. Carlson to represent Zander Carlson is an apple. P. Employ and his job is to represent F. O. P. members in grievances and termination proceedings. So zander doesn't pay Carlson Right Other than indirectly through his union dues There's no formal attorney client Relationship Between Zander and Carlson And in fact according zander he didn't even want Carlson the F. O. P. Forced him to accept Carlson now under Illinois Law and officer. Who is facing discharge can get a hearing before the local board of fire and Police Commissioners Or if there's grievance arbitration available under the collective bargaining agreement can file a grievance and go to arbitration on Carlson Vice Zander elects to proceed To arbitration any loses after a two day hearing The arbitrator held the decision to terminate. Zander's Employment Zander then sues. Carlson is lawyer and the F. O. P. A. and he's basically alleging malpractice. What's the malpractice? Carlson breached his duty to Zander by advising him to waive his right to a hearing before the local police board and go to arbitration and then later by inadequately representing him at the arbitration hearing And that case ends up before the Illinois Court of Appeals. The court doesn't get into the merits of whether or not Carlson adequately are inadequately represented Zander at the hearing. So we have no idea what he's arguing about their But the court does talk about fact. The other of ZANDER'S CLAIMS HIS CAR. Carlson's advice to go to arbitration rather than a local police board was malpractice and. I will tell you Based upon my reading of the results in cases many many cases in Illinois results in arbitration versus local police. Board is Carlson's advice to go to arbitration was precisely the right advice. I think the court here at ever gotten into the merits of the malpractice allegations against Carlson. At least the first of those I don't think it was GONNA go anywhere. I think. Union lawyers around the country would probably say almost uniform like to the extent lawyers will say anything almost uniformly If you had arbitration go to arbitration okay back to the subject to the lawsuit the Illinois Court of Appeals rejects the lawsuit and it relies heavily on a case the dozen. Come up very often. It's A and we'll post it on our web page it's a US Supreme Court decision That goes by the name of Atkinson Verses Sinclair Refining Company and in that case the Supreme Court held that under a federal labor law. In this case the Taft Hartley Act a unions. Agents cannot be held individually liable for actions taken on the union's behalf in the collective bargaining process Atkinson basically hell that If a union has a duty fair representation to someone that duty is owed by the Union? Not by individual union employees or officers may go off on a sidetrack here. This is why if unions are buying duty of fair representation insurance and many of them do particularly large unions by duty of fair representation insurance You'll see an odd premium structure for that insurance so it'll be a structure where the insurance company will say. Okay we'll provide d. f. Our Duty Fair Representation Insurance to you and we'll provide a to the union for ten thousand dollars a year. I'm making up that number ten thousand dollars a year and you know what we've got a great deal for you. In addition to that will provide duty of fair representation for your officers and employees for another fifty dollars a year. So ten thousand for the Union is going to be what your insurance premium is fifty dollars for the officers. How does that make any sense? It makes sense because under Atkinson there is no liability for breach of duty of fair representation or breach of duty of care on the part of union officers and employees so what the insurance company is doing is charging fifty dollars to insure against a non-existent risk. So that's what a little bit of an aside as to why that seemingly bizarre premium structure if you're getting quotes for duty of Fair Representation Insurance so anyway Atkinson says you can't sue individual union members or employees and the Court of in Illinois says. Well you know Atkinson's federal case we don't have to follow it but gotta tell you We think the principles of the Atkinson are sound and we think it is appropriate to extend Atkinson two attorneys who act on behalf of a union in matters arising under a collective bargaining agreement. And here's a couple sentences that I think are at the heart of the court's opinion And I'm quoting as we noted above a union may be held liable to a member for breaching its duty of fair representation only wear it commits intentional. Misconduct representing an employee in a legal malpractice action. By contrast an employee an attorney may be held liable for merely negligent conduct allowing union members to file malpractice suits against union attorneys for actions taken in connection with the collective bargaining process. What anomaly hold agents and employees of the Union too far higher standard of care than the Union itself that we cannot do so and and down. The court dismisses ZANDER's lawsuit against Carlson that leaves Zander with only one claim and the potential claim that The Union breached its duty of fair representation In the way that Zander She's made that. Carlson presented Zander's case in arbitration and my understanding of the cases. That's going to go back for trial next case I want to talk about is a case. We're starting to see a lot of whether or not Prison prep time is compensable under the fair Labor standards. Act NOT GONNA spend time on this because One of our premium podcasts. That's coming up is with a management side F. L. lawyer named Lisa Charbonneau and Lisa. And I in that podcast talk at some length about these prison prep time cases but I did want to give you the essential holdings of this case so you have a pretty good feel for what's going on with it. All of these cases are pretty much the same Factually they involve corrections officers jailguards. Whatever they call they have different job. Titles in different places they involve corrections officers officers showing up for work then they have to go through security screening and the security screening is predictably relatively intense. Then they have to get to their work sites and when you have large presence. That's a process that could involve transport by vehicle or could involve a fairly long walk during the course of the transport and and after they go through the security screening They are responsible employees responsible for taking appropriate action. If there's some sort of breach of security or There's riot or something goes on the the corrections officers are expected to act and to deal with whatever situation His post them frequently corrections officers will then go through a briefing period. Usually five ten sometimes fifteen minute brief period And then they will have to gear up. They'll have to get whatever protective gear Than employer provides and then They will get to their specific worksite. and that's when they clock in and then at the end of the day. They clock out at their worksite. And then all that stuff that happened at the beginning of the time. When they reported for work happens in reverse They end up going through security screening again and before they're out of the facility and free to go home and the question is is that time between the security screening and when they get to their work site. Is that work under the ALYSSA and a staring. All the courts that are considering this case in the face is a decision from several years ago from the US Supreme Court That everybody refers to as the integrity staffing case integrity staffing versus BUSCA. Think it is. We'll put it on our website. And that's a case that involved whether or not going through security screening and walking to your job. Site is compensable for employees. Working for an Amazon dot com subcontractor in a fulfillment center and the Spring Court. In a you know one of those typically divided votes with conservative justices in the majority said No. That's not compensable work under the NFL ASSAY. Because they're not hired they. The employees who were working in the fulfillment centre. They're not hired to go through security screenings. That's just simply incidental. That is not part of their regular jobs. So all of these courts that are deciding these prison cases end up facing the question of. Are we like Amazon? Dotcom subcontractors or are we different and this latest case Which comes out of a private prison. By the way it's operated by something called management and Training Corp and is As a prison that's operated for the state of New Mexico. This latest case is a big one. It comes from Federal Court of Appeals. We don't have many of these cases we'll have any of these cases coming from Federal Court of Appeals and we don't have an awful lot of F. elyssa cases comparatively coming from a Federal Court of Appeals Samson Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals. That has typically been a court. That's not very employee friendly on NFL Essay cases and The court says a prison guards corrections officers in these circumstances are not like Amazon. Dot Com Subcontractors here's what the The court ends up saying The employer conducts the security screening to prevent weapons and other contraband from entering the prison and keeping weapons and other contraband out of the prison is necessarily tied to the officers work providing prison security and searching for contraband indeed the security screening and the officers work share the same purpose and here comes. You almost WanNa drum roll before you hear this next sentence because the time. The officers devote to undergoing the security screening is integral and indispensable to their principal activities. Those of you who are versed. Nfl US a lower. Know that what the court is doing is quoting from the portal to Portal Act there because the security screening is enter role in indispensable to their principal activities. That activity begins their workday and under the continuous workday. Rule wants the workday starts. All activity is ordinarily compensable until the WORKDAY ENDS. Thus we hold that the time the officers devote to receiving the pre shift. Brief briefing picking up keys an equipment walking to post and conducting the pre shift passed. Down briefing is also compensable under the F. L. Say That's the way the other huge in this area came out. It's a case that was decided last year by the Missouri. Court of Appeals That gays has now been appealed by the employer to the Missouri Supreme Court. And I suspect that's the way all of these cases are going to come out because you know what? The job duties of a corrections officer are different than the job. Duties OF AN AMAZON DOT COM subcontractor employees in fulfillment center and going through security process and You know all of these things like the briefing. They're very different. They're more meaningful. They're more related to the employee's job then would be the case in the private sector so I suspect this case is not going to be anomalous. Multo going to give you a short Take on the last of the six cases that I wanted to talk about This month It's a fairly standard discrimination case. But IT'S GOTTA. He's got a fairly interesting legal tests that you don't see much It's all what case about This is about tiffany Washington. Who's an African American woman? Who serves a sergeant on the Metro Transit Police Department And it's The Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority So in other words the buses and subways. It's called the Metro there in Washington. Dc Washington worked for the Department's Revenue Collection Facility in Alexandria Virginia. And what she did. What our job. Buzz was supervising. Lower ranking officers aboard the money train. What'S THE MONEY TRAIN? I love this case. What'S THE MONEY TRAIN? It transports cash fares from metro stations. back to the Revenue Collection Facility in Alexandria. Virginia who knew that there were money trains. And make sense right when you think about it but man. I had no idea so what happens. September eighteenth are faded day in two thousand fifteen Washington left the facility the collection facility a before the end of the shift and after departing Washington learned via text. Message that the money train had broken down. She was in sporadic. Contact with the officers aboard the train and also with an off-duty supervisor but Washington failed to inform any on-duty supervisor of the breakdown for the next several hours and as a result nobody knew that these officers were stranded on the money train. no one got them food or water or attempted to relieve them and they remained aboard the money train late into the night and four that The Department demotes Washington to the rank of police officer saying that she had he had lost confidence in her ability to perform in a leadership position. Washington sues claims In a you know that's not the real reason that I was demoted. It's because I'm African American and also because I'm a woman. Federal Appeals Court rejected. And the here's how you follow the bouncing ball and these cases The first step is is the employee a member of a protected class and did they suffer an adverse job action. This case that's easy right Washington is the member of at least two protected classes race and gender And she was demoted. That's an adverse job action okay Burden of proof chefs over to the employer does the employer Advance a legitimate and nondiscriminatory reason for Washington's demotion and in this case the Department of the court says Nats Easy Yeah. They did what she did with respect to the money train or rather what she didn't do with respect to the money train And then the key. These cases end up with a burden of proof. Shifting back to the employee and the employee asked to show that the employer's decision is a pretext In other words it has to show in Washington's case that there were deficiencies in the employer setting and that the real motivation behind the employers action was an invidious discriminatory intent and that the court says is challenging to prove. And here's why the court rules because it is not enough to show that the department's reasons were false. She must also showed that the officials who disciplined her did not actually believe those reasons. Alternatively Washington might establish pretext with evidence that a factual determination is agreed wrong because if the employer made an error that's too obvious to be unintentional. Perhaps it had an unlawful motive for doing so. And in this case the court says Washington her entire case turns on whether the employers error in devoting her was too obvious to be unintentional. How's that for a legal test right too obvious to be unintentional? And the court says Washington just simply didn't present such evidence And here's the last couple of lines. In the court's opinion Washington didn't present evidence from which a rational fact finder could conclude that the department made an error too obvious to be unintentional. Nor did she present evidence that those disciplined or disbelief? Their stated reasons for disciplining are at most Washington showed that the department could have credited her oral undocumented request for leave before she left her worksite and absolve Durham responsibility for later. Notwithstanding the edits of another supervisor or the absence of another supervisor at the facility but the department chose not to credit her oral testimony and is a quote. From the court's opinion we do not serve as a super personnel department. That re-examines weather such a decision was wind. Wise sound or fair we don't conclude that Washington's attempts to quoting again poke holes in the investigation in any fashion a impugns the integrity or honesty of the officials who demoted her. So interesting task kind of a curious sort of case. I really can't remember ever seeing the error too obvious to be unintentional test. It seems like a very squishy sort of legal standard. Well that's it for the March. Two Thousand Twenty edition of. First Thursday Oath to Next month of one we're going to have an entirely new spate of cases Next week I'M GONNA be in Las Vegas where we do our annual collective bargaining conference and then remember about that wellness and fitness conference that we have in mid April that you can find out about at L. S. dot com with that Hope you have a great month this is will aitchison signing off.

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Breaking the Curse of Debt (Hour 3)

The Dave Ramsey Show

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Breaking the Curse of Debt (Hour 3)

"Live from the headquarters of Ramsey solutions. Broadcasting from the dollar car rental studios, it's the Dave Ramsey show. That is dawn cash is king and the paid off home mortgage has taken the place of the w as the status symbol of choice. I am Dave Ramsey your host. Thank you for joining us. Open phones at triple eight eight to five five two two five that's triple eight eight to five five two two five. Thanks for joining us. Brent is Brett is with us in Pensacola, high Brad, how are you? Good. Thanks for taking my call. Sure. What's up or psychological problem than a financial problem? Growing up. We didn't have a whole lot. And I have saved as much as I can. And I'm at a point in my life, where I think I'm okay, but mentally I don't feel like, I'm okay? You know, I guess most people who invest never really feel like they've got enough. So that's kinda my problem. Okay. And how much do you have in your state? Well, if you got up all my investments about two point five nine about ten point five million. No, no two to five. Okay. All right. Good. Good for you. And you started with nothing. You said, right. You grew up with the military and eight five and. Nickels to rub together. So how old are you? Fifty six and what do you make a year of these days? Well, it always varies between two fifty and three fifty. Okay. And what would be an example of something that you think a normal person with two and a half million dollars as if that's normal. I would've normal person spend money on that you that you psychologically, don't feel like you can. Well, you know, it's funny. I mean, I talked to a lot of people have searched that many website. And then I came across your show, which I just learned not long ago. And you know, you always want verification, I guess that enough, you know, some people think. You know, ten thousand a month is enough fifteen thousand a month twenty thousand months with comfortably. You know, just he just don't know. So I'm quite frugal probably drive. My wife crazy, calculating our finances. Every twice a month at least, so what is this luxury item? You guys are bought in the last five years, but the biggest luxury at him. I portion my garage. Oh, okay. One hundred grand a little more net. Cool. What's the biggest thing? She's bought. Her ringtone. She got core Range Rover. Okay. So you got a couple of nice cars. Okay. In trouble spending money on cars. That's one weakness. I do. It's not a weakness. Your you? You're in good enough shape to drive. Both those cars, I would drive those cars if I were in your shoes, I think that's fine. So here's the thing that I have figured out as far as enjoying money. There's someone from what you're asking me is how can I enjoy this? How do I know? 'cause I can't enjoy it. If I don't think it's enough. Correct. But if I heard you, right. That's what I was hearing. And that that happens a lot to those of us that started from nothing in my case, I start from nothing became a millionaire and then went bankrupt before I was twenty eight and had to start again because I'm stupid. So so I I kind of have that fear in the back of my head. You know, that that black cloud psychologically, hovering the back-back. They're like oh God. And you know, if you don't think I do you ought to ask my wife. She's got a bigger one. I don't know if we could afford that or not I'm like darling weaken definitely afford that. It's just but so the thing that's helped me do that. As I have learned that I can allow myself to enjoy money easier. If I'm doing two things. One is my generosity is high if I'm giving then it's okay for me to drive a Porsche. You know that helps me in the Porsche more. I think if I was stopped up. I wasn't ever giving anything not helping anybody with any of the money, then it would be harder to enjoy the Porsche. Okay. And so like, I drive a really really I've got several really nice cars car key. And I've got ridiculous money in cars. But as a percentage of my net worth which is the second thing. And as a percentage of my giving, even though they're really ridiculously nice cars. Like, you have you know, you've got wonderful cars. But you know, as an example in your case, you've got let's say hundred and seventy thousand dollars cars hundred fifty thousand dollars the car sitting there. And if if you give away three thousand dollars a year, then that's gonna make it hard for you. Enjoy those cars. Then so generosity factor in ratio to what you're enjoying whatever it is or if you travel, and you're gonna spend a hundred grand on travel, and you only give two thousand dollars away a year. It's going to be harder to enjoy the travel because you're becoming a hedonist when you're becoming n word facing and selfish and greedy kind of person. Even though you didn't mean to but generosity helps break that down in your spirit and keeps your soul a little cleaner. The second thing I look at look at ratios. And that's what I'm doing. When your car's one hundred and seventy thousand dollars for the cars as a percentage of two and a half million is nothing. If you took those keep the portion the garage, and usually I drive a ranger as well. But if you took all your cars and put them in the front yard with no insurance and set fire to him your life, really doesn't change your done change. It's a small enough percentage of your world that it's easy to enjoy because you're not out of line. But you take a guy who's making sixty thousand dollars a year and has a negative net worth with student loans, and he drives a fifty thousand dollar car in those guys are all over America. Right. See that makes that not only makes that car stupid, but it makes it harder to enjoy because the ratios are out of whack. He's got too much of his life tied up in luxury things if a girl's got a ring on her hand, and that is the entire couples net worth it's harder to enjoy that ring. Where Sharon is like she's got this ridiculously wonderful ring looks like a headlight. But when we got married it was a we got married. She got a point to three. It wasn't even a full fourth of a carrot that one's in the safe because it's the style GIC, but it wouldn't even show up around the ring that she's got now. You know, and I'm not bragging, I'm just saying it's because we've worked so hard you and me both for so many years if my generosity is up there. I find I can enjoy a portion of my wealth. And if it's a small portion of my wealth small enough, then I can enjoy we can go on a luxurious trip that costs more than we used to make an ear back in the day. You know, and you could do that right now, you could you could to and it's still it's while it's a high percentage of your emotional memory. It's not a high percentage of your current world. And that allows you to enjoy it. So hold on. I'm gonna send you a copy of the only book I've written on this subject wealth. All my other books are on money. Look, I wrote on wells called the legacy journey and warn you time, it's Christian book because it's the only way you can view wealth and keep it in balance. And so it's the only book I've written it's exclusively Christian. If you're not Christian really won't enjoy it. So throw it away or you for call coached your table or something. But I think you'll get something out of hold on your copy. I get asked all the time. Do I need life insurance? Listen, the point of life insurance is to replace your income for someone who counts on it. So if you have a spouse, if you have kids, yes, you need term life insurance and the best place, I know to get it is Zander dot com. Zander insurance is where I get all my insurance. And it's where I've been sending my listeners for over twenty years. You can get a quote in a matter of seconds. It's not expensive. It's not complicated. And you need to do this now Zander dot com. Well, it has been a busy thirty days in the last thirty days, we've launched three things that have been very very very popular around here. Thing number one that we launched around here. That's absolutely gone. Crazy is the Ramsey cruise. We teach live like no one else. So that later you can live and give like no one else if you're in baby step four five six seven, you're in a position to go on vacations, if you're not you're not you should you should be working to get out of debt, you're not invited. But. Next March twenty twenty we're going to go the Caribbean on Holland America brand new ship. And if you don't know this cruise lines in America's one of the nice ones, it's not one of the cheap ones. High-end nice cruise. We're going in March of twenty twenty and we're going to go to church and Geico's and Saint Thomas, and of course, the Bahamas, and of course, Puerto Rico. The stops are amazing the ship is one hundred percent hours. It is already seventy percent sold out. And we launched it like eighteen days ago launched the ship dot com launched the cruise Butto anyway. But anyway, yeah, seriously. So there's twenty six hundred people and there we've already sold seventy percent of the eights some seventy percent of the births. So if you haven't interest go to Ramsey cruise dot com, it'll be all the Ramsey personalities on their me. Rachel cruze. Chris HOGAN, Anthony O'Neill, Ken Coleman, Christy. Right. We'll all be on there. Monette Sean, who's one of the shifts from the big time food network stuff. She's a big star on that owns several restaurants in Nashville is a friend of ours is going and do some celebrity chef stuff there on the crew. She will not be cooking the dinners, but they'll be some demonstrations and so forth. She'll be with us, my friend student Curtis Chapman, country music, country music, Christian music icon. It's going to be with us, and he's absolutely incredible Grammy award winner, the our friend Jeff foxworthy's going, and so that'll be a lot of fun. And obviously, we'll be having some good redneck jokes among other things. And so and we'll do some events and stuff, but there's gonna be a lot of just enjoying ourselves all of us. And so we'd love to have you come. It's two hundred fifty dollars all to reserve your spot as a deposit per person. So if you reserve for you and your spouse, you know, I've already met a bunch of people that are reserved. Like, I said, we've got you know, only twenty six hundred actually it's only twenty four hundred and some change births because of staffing and so forth. So I it's about seventy percent gone. The second thing that we've launched that has gone big time out. There is Kim Kalman's new book the proximity principle the pre-sale on that is happening and the proximity. Principle is all about being in proximity to the people and places that do what you wanna do in your career, the proven strategy that will lead you to the career you love, and this is latest Ramsey press. Book coming out by Ramsey personality, and it will come out in may his own pre sale right now. It can Komen dot com. Daveramsey dot com and today, we launched four sale actually can ship it to you today. Live the contentment journal that Rachel Cruze is put out ninety days she's going to walk with you through a journey through gratitude humility and into contentment. Because gratitude and humility are precursors to finding contentment Rachel's. This is one of ritual soft spots right here. She really really really goes deep on the subject and does a great job on it. And this journal is a wonderful quality piece. It's a quality book. It's a four color the design team Ramsey just did an incredible job. I'm so proud of the product and regs really proud of it, of course. So the contentment journal the proximity principle and the crews that's some stuff that's happening around here right now. That's just all out of cracker. Thank you, very very much. All of you for your endorsing embracing all of these ideas, were we we to put out stuff where we actually help you. Heidi is with us. Heidi is in Tampa. Hi, Heidi welcomed, the Dave Ramsey show. I think you I have backed myself into a corner with my student loan. I originally borrowed forty thousand in ninety seven to go to school. I started paying them. And then when Finn out of four as my now ex husband went through a series of unemployment. So I I've been a single mother I worked three jaws in the payment. They want from me always more than I can pay. So I consulted with an attorney. And it looks to me like my best option right now is to file captor thirteen which will interrupt a garnishment. But I now have on my. Mary job. And then then that will help me the attorney says get into I get out of default with it and get into loan repayment, hopefully in affordable amount that I can afford you. You've had them for thirty years. Yes. Yes. I just I've tried to pay them. And I can but the violence to pay it off his what without current now is is it's ballooned to one hundred six thousand. And what do you make at your job? You're my my tax return. Last year was got home fifty two thousand. How old are your children? Nineteen and sixteen you're getting child support. No. Why? I've got some here there. But I don't get it officially on the record fifty. You said you made fifty two thousand. Yes. And in Tampa, Florida, and what do you do for living? I work for a construction manufacturing patera. I'm a quality manager there. So you're doing forty hours there, and then you're working extra jobs too. Yep. Time I work as an admin for a restaurant on do that work on the computer at home at night. And then I work weekends at my kids. Here's here's the problem. You're gonna run into. A chapter thirteen. Is a five year plan. Sixty months, and you pay payments every month during the entire five years. And if you do not pay more than you've ever paid in your life. You're going to come out of the chapter thirteen with, Dan. With substantial debt and so. You know, you have the chapter thirteen will get rid of the garnishment. That is true. And it might get you on a minimum payment to get you where you can breathe, but both of those things are short term fixes. If you do that you have to have a long-term answer to the equation. And so let's start doing some math. If we want to be rid of a hundred thousand dollars in five years, it's twenty thousand dollars a year. If we want to be rid of one hundred thousand dollars in three years is thirty five thousand dollars a year. That's what you need to do. And that means you need to think about what kind of career you can move you can make on your day job. But more importantly, what kind of second job you can get it's better than the one. You've got because I want you to get your income up fifteen or twenty thousand dollars, and I want you to start putting thirty five thousand dollars a year three thousand dollars a month towards these loans. So that in three years this thirty year curse on your life is broken because you have swept this under the rug and swept it under the rug and swept under the rug, and you've had a reason or an excuse every year that you have not dealt with it. And it is growing as you have noticed. It is not going away. Student loans are not bankrupt -able in the sense that you can make them go away with the chapter seven bankruptcy. The only way you're going to get rid of it as pay it chapter thirteen will get you give you some temporary relief and allow you to get situated. But you need to think about what we've got to do with our income. What we've gotta do with our budget, but three thousand dollars a month for the next three years and break this thirty year curse off of you. I'm going to help you you. Hold on. I want you to go through financial peace university. Is my guest you need some help. And I'll help you this is that Ramsey show. Wanna know the first step to creating a profitable business doing what you love while you build a website. With host gator, hostgator is the easiest and quickest way to get online. I'm talking -absolutely. No technical skills needed. Host Gators frustration free website builder to allows you to select one of their professionally designed templates and click your way to beautiful website in no time. Plus if you need help you can count on world class customer service twenty four seven tried today and get up to sixty percent off their hosting packages at hostgator dot com slash Dave. In the lobby of Ramsey solutions. Brandon and Anna are where the guys are. Are you Dave better than I deserve? Welcome welcome. Yep. So where do you live commerce city, Colorado just outside of Denver? How fun. Well. Welcome to Nashville all the way over here to do debt. Free screen is, sir. Love it. How much have you paid off two hundred ninety six thousand dollars and ten years? Love it. Good for you in ten years and your range of income during that ten years seventy five to one thirty five. Okay. What do you guys do for a living business development for an engineering firm? And I'm a teacher. Great good for you. Very cool. So two hundred ninety six thousand dollars over ten years. I'm guessing that might be your house that is the house and everything. You are debt free. There. We go. Like it. Good for you. What's this house worth right now with the increased economy it's around threes? Sixty three eighty. And it's your is. It is I love it. Well, tell me the story what happened on this ten years ago to start you on this journey. Oh about eleven years ago. Two thousand seven I got laid off on my birthday and felt pretty low was kind of low point in life fairly marriage. And and was able to bring home the bacon for say. And and so started out start my own company Guidon deer and Turkey on trying to make things work, and and then two thousand eight came around. And and I happened to see financial peace at our church and get started on the program. Financial peace clash at church. And here we go. But you've had that wakeup call that say, we're gonna get serious. Yep. Very cool. Very cool. So you still do guides. I do absolutely twelve years now. I love it. That's fun. Good for you. So that's your sod us. It is now day. Yeah. Okay. Very good. So you start out on the plan after in two thousand eight after going through the class. Did you have a bunch of other that too? Yes. Yes. We had about ninety six thousand in consumer debt just be a normal. Yeah. We needed a four Wheeler and we needed to dub. And we needed lots of stuff you have you have to have a lot of firearms ratio of firearms to dig or to port. All right. But it cleaned all that up. And then you went out you just kept going on after the house. We did we did you follow the baby steps to a tee for a decade. Yep. All the way through I really got us on the same page because for the first four years. It was a lot of fun has we watched the debt just go away carts, go way and the payments. No more. And then the house came. Yeah. You start doing baby step four you get baby. Step three done. You get the emergency fund. There's a lot of relaxing then. But then it everything just kind of slows down. It took you six years after that to pay off the house. Yeah. Really since I've, but you're right. We did twenty two thousand in our emergency fund. Seven years. So you beat the average. Yeah. And then we decided to start really putting a lot more money towards the house and pretty soon, we're doubling house payments and more than doubling house payments, and once you hit five digits. You're no longer in the six digits, then it gets more exciting. And we start really really throwing everything we have towards it. Once it down under one hundred K, and it's kind of like that consumer debt you had which you didn't for years. You know? Yeah. So you're going, okay. And we don't even have those payments, and we make more than we used to. But so Bom game on. Yeah. You really is. So if you said out of that six or seven years that you worked on the house, you probably I'm gonna guess so you paid off fifty percent of it in the last two how? Yeah. Yeah. We did sixty nine thousand in the last year nine months, that's not unusual because your momentum your emotional momentum picks up and you sacrifice deeper. Yeah. Yeah. Good for you, guys. That's your classic. How does it feel? It's a great. I'm in the middle of teaching my third FPU class now. So it's nice to be able to help bring that to them and show them. It's real and it's a decade. Yeah. I mean, we didn't microwave this chronic. Cooking. It's slow and good. But this is how you do it. Right. You did it perfectly. So well done. Congratulations. Thank you. And you brought the kiddos with you. We and what are their names and ages abbey's nine and hunters six. All right. So have they figured out? What all of this means that happened while they were alive while they were being born. Yeah. Did in fact when we went to pay our last mortgage payment for our house be brought them with us to the Bank, and they got part of the whole process, and they absolutely loved it the lady at the Bank. She didn't even know how to process it. Because she said nobody does this. Nobody does this. I'll have to call headquarters. I have no idea really where to even begins. But these guys were part of part of it all pictures of them there on the YouTube channel hold on the signs were free at the Bank. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. Because that way they remember it, right? Because this is the day. I mean the day you pay off your house. They. Well, their grandkids. I remember mama day took us to the Bank. We held signs up. They'll have that memory, and it changes things because then when they get married and the husband or wife wants to death like. Like. It's like that. Maybe like marrying into the Ramseys. You know? Oh, man. That's that's that's how you change it marked a milestone, I'm so proud of y'all who was your outside cheering you on outside of your family. We had a lot a lot of family, parents cheered us on. And then you know, I can't keep quiet so spread it with all my hunting clients and had a lot of cheerleaders in there as well that the classes you've taught on while you're leading financial peace. Absolutely. They tell everybody to. Excited. Is there? Life is changed. I mean, you guys are going to be multimillionaires. It's going to be their life is completely shifted. Right. It's amazing. So well done well done. I'm so proud of you you guys are Nate. What a great story. Thank you. Great story. Well, we've got a copy of Chris Hogan's book for you. This is your next chapter for sure every day millionaires. You may already be there. You're pretty close value this house, 4._0._1._K, money and stuff. You're you're gonna be there before you know, it, and then we're going to just work on the Decca Megan here there you go. So well done guys well done. It's a great story because you persevered for so long. What do you tell people the key to getting out of debt is? Just power through it. It's not a microwave microwave plan. You've got all the tools, you get you just gotta stick with it and do the heavy lifting. Yeah. What an able to stick with it. Do you think my rockstar wife? Yeah. Yeah. We're we're our our biggest cheerleaders. We'd sit down and work through a lot of things together. Yeah. Yeah. I don't I don't think you've hardly got a shot. If you don't do it together. Yeah. Yeah. Communication, especially when you start ten months, you can pull it off. But ten years you can't you can't dry game by ten years. Yep. It just all you just get bloody. I mean, it's just bad, but you guys together. And now how old are you to thirty nine and thirty eight oh, you're not even. For your house is paid for. I love this. All right, Brandon, Abby and hunter their house and everything is paid off two hundred ninety six thousand dollars paid off in ten years making seventy five to one thirty five count it down. Let's hear free scream three two one. Yes. Baby. Listen, ten years. How old are you right now? Listen to this in ten years, you're going to be ten years older. Where are you going to bay ten years where are you going to bay? They just showed you they're making seventy five thousand dollars a year. They had two kids. Raising them while they're doing this raising their income up to one thirty five over that period of time went to job losses job changes. Life has happened. Ten years you're gonna be ten years older. Anyway, might as well be doing something to go somewhere on purpose is you're not going to get the winning on accident. This is the Dave Ramsey show. Our scripture of the day twenty five four five show me aways. Lord, teach me, your pads guide me in your truth. And teach me for you are God, my savior, my hope is in new all day long. Ralph WALDO Emerson said do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail there. It's a classic. Yeah. Very good stuff. Well, if you've ever felt stupid because you couldn't understand your taxes. Amy is one of our fans and she had a different experience after working with one of the tax endorsed local providers. I've never had someone try to help me understand how taxes work until I worked with my E L P. She helped me fully understand it. And now we found our CPA thanks for recommending attacks. Professional daveramsey dot com slash L. P click a yelp for taxes, and they'll help you do your taxes. If you're ready to do investing sustain thing. It's called a Smartvestor pro. You're the smart vaster the person who sit with it's a professional in businesses called a Smartvestor pro. That's what we call them. 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Okay. So what do you do? Clinical engineer. I basically just fixed medical equipment. Okay. And going to school in order to move up means what? It would be a two year electron IX degree, which is paid for by Florida, prepaid which my family set for me, and it would boost my income by about ten thousand dollars a year one. I don't know how to do that stuff already. I mean, I personally do it's just kind of like what's the general requirement by most companies that are looking for kind of coin juniors. Because they can't position that I'm in was high. I was hired in by company that basically put me on like a entry level position work. You work. You have more knowledge than someone with a certification is what I'm hearing not necessarily. So when I was hired on if my current position was the entry level position, which is just a medical equipment technician to move up to what's called a Biomed. You would need that certification or at least two to three years of experience. And what does that cost you have the money to go in your prepaid? Right. Yes. Would just be the cost of books. Okay. And so you work forty hours a week, and you would go to school at night. Yes. And you can finish in two years more than likely. Yes. In the only downside is that slows down. How fast you pay off your debt? Correct go go to class. Okay. I'm with you. It makes sense. Okay. And then tighten your budget and. Nights a week where you being class. It'll be three to four nights a week. And how old are you? I'm twenty four we don't Saturday Saturday. You're where you're trying to get out of debt. Okay. Let you off the hook completely. I think I think you have a valid thing. Okay. Alex. Sometimes when someone says I need a degree to move up. They they think there's a barrier. That's not there. I think you're barriers real though. Okay. I'm hearing what you're saying. I I don't know enough about your industry to be a hundred percent, sure. But the way you've described it was logical. I think you're critical thinking skills are solid. I think you've observed something very real here. But sometimes people go, well, you just nobody in our company moves, and I'm like now, you know, people they actually get their stuff together and do their work on time of the people move a head most industry says sometimes that degree thing is is mythology. That's not what's holding you back. But in your case, it's a cert, and or some knowledge that takes you into a bio, you know, level of this. It's a different thing. And so yeah, that's what I would do. How would do this? I also what are you making during your day job? Now my day job annually, if I don't work extra over and run around thirty two and you're living on your own in your old. Did you say I live with my wife, actually? And I'm twenty four oh, does she work the home? No, she works as a retail. She brings in an extra like twelve thousand dollars a year. Okay. Do you have children? No, okay. Well, she needs a better career, her sucks. Yeah. She just moved over here because we just got married like back in December. So she just moved over here and had to find something because she was a cheat. Also, so okay. Well, let's rephrase this we are in debt because we are married. Yes. We have an income that can be sensu. It'd by getting hers up because hers is awful, and you can work some weekends while you get your income up by going to school on the four nights a week. How much debt did she bring into this? And thousand okay, so forty six thousand dollars, and if she gets her income from twelve to where it should be thirty to forty. Okay, pretty quick as she can do that. And you get your income up with a little bit Saturday type overtime now. We've got pretty good household income to attack forty five thousand dollars worth of debt. Wow. You still go to school? Yeah. You can do all of that all of. That's doable. You're young. You got energy? I'm proud of you, man. Get after it. You can do this open phones at triple eight eight to five five two two five the danger of the student loan crisis. Is that people have begun to say, no one needs to go to college. That is not true. No one needs to go to a college. They can't afford and no one should go. And study something not necessary for them to win in a career or their career unless they just have extra money. If you wanna go study, something for the sheer sake of knowledge, and you have extra money, your parents when I give you a hundred thousand dollars to go do that, that's fine. But don't you don't need to go into debt to get a degree in a field. That is not applicable in the marketplace from place charges, you six times more than your state school would a charge you he's going in tech deal for two years. It's going to tech cert-. That's not gonna cost him hardly named plus families. Save the money for him to do that. He's twenty four. That's all very, very wise. 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My Wife Isn't Onboard With Cutting Up Credit Cards (Hour 3)

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My Wife Isn't Onboard With Cutting Up Credit Cards (Hour 3)

"Live from the headquarters of Ramsey solutions broadcasting from the dollar car rental studios. It's the Dave Ramsey show where that is dumb in cash is king and the paid off home mortgage has taken the place of the BMW as the status symbol of choice. I'm Dave Ramsey your host. Thank you for joining us. Open phones at triple eight eight two five five two two five. That's triple eight eight two five five two two five starting off. This hour is going to be brandon in Maryland. Hi Brandon welcome to the Dave Ramsey. Show you better than I deserve sir. What's Syrup so my wife and I were debt free and I'm seeing that the on opposite sides without having a credit cards we typically After our bills are paid each month have a surplus of about four thousand dollars and say every month. She likes to credit credit card. I have cut my and I can't get her on board and I'm just trying to figure out what I can do Maybe you have an opinion on how I can go about talking to her about it. Why does she want credit card? I honestly don't know She we're losing but I tend. I believe that After reading your book of course that it's so mental that if you have a credit card you can you have the cash to pay off and smoke that going to spend more I'm like we actually had cashing your hand. You're using their debit card. But I guess you can just not seeing my side of it. Well it's not your side of it what you just declared where actual facts so it's not just your side But that doesn't matter. I mean the question is why does she want a credit card if a debit card. We'll do everything credit card will do. Why does she want a credit credit card reasonable question if I give you a debit card and you're able to do exact same things you're able to do with your credit edit card? Our budget operates exactly the same way. There's no limitations put on you that you didn't already have on you by the two of US working together. Gather what is the objection with the credit card. And I guess you need to find that out because what a master's you're stabbing in the wind and you don't know whether you're so you don't know what you're aiming at here so you need to find out why it is. She feels like she needs a credit card. Because my guess is that she probably has some bad information yes and I think our mother has told you that you should lower the amount on the credit card and really be such a big deal. Somebody's back down to something around five hundred dollars in west and I don't really care what her mother thinks her mother's obviously a fool okay. That's not the issue the issue is look at your wife The lady that you're married to say if you had a debit card that did did the exact same things that a credit card would do. What is the problem with that right? Larussa hopefully I can talk to you. The Future of the Union answer. Yeah and I think I think you can give her an answer. Then 'cause she's going to say oh I want the airline miles lyles which is a bogus argument. Because seventy eight percent of the airline miles or never redeemed if you do not want to try to redeem them you end up sitting on the wing And you go through seventy three cities to get to one location You will find out how badly you've gotten screwed by that great lie Or the I've heard the credit card is not as safe as debit cards. Safe is the credit card. Another lie Because if you actually look on Visa Lisa and on Mastercard's website they have what's called a zero liability a promise to you in the event of fraud or theft with the use of your a debit card or your credit card. You have the exact same coverage you are not liable for people misusing stealing your identity fraud gently Louis using your your card. You have the exact same coverage there. can't figure out a reason to use one so consequently you don't have one. I don't have one and you do spend less with a debit card but you spent even less when you use cash now. I personally use US both. I've always got several hundred dollars in my pocket and cash. I'm an old redneck. I like having two or three hundred bucks in my pocket and No matter where I am. And I've always got a couple of debit cards. Went on my business and one on my personal account And there's money in those accounts and I travel more than any of you put together Both for pleasure and for business and I really don't run into substantial issues with a debit card. That are different than you run into with a credit card so I mean they all get you have to toss all of them every so often now with the ID theft algorithms your banks not us going to reissue these things pretty consistently whether debit or credit. But you're not liable in the event a fraud and You know you do actually spend a little bit less the studies tell plus with debit card. Because you understand you're actually using money out of your own freaking account and so you do have to stop and think about it a little bit unless you have you know unless unless you got one hundred thousand bucks in your checking account and you have to stop and think when you're spending five grand you know there's a thought has to go through this process so Hope that helps open phones at triple eight eight two five five two two five cannon is in Texas hey cannon welcome to the Dave Ramsey show. Hey Dave how are you doing better than I deserve. Merry Christmas how can I help you too. So I'm twenty three years old About forty grand. A year. I'm married wife makes around twenty five. I would say I've been a saver on my lives to I started work around fifteen Saved up about fifty five thousand in cash right now and So yeah just sitting on that. I hate spending It's I have that I have about nine thousand. Four One K. is GonNa have additional about sixty five hundred Ross. Good for you and Thank you but I have a truck payment and it's only about two thirty a month and I got about seven thousand left on it and then my wife has a eleven thousand student loans and that costs about twenty bucks a month with me being a save room. Such kind of a stickler on on spending and I save about a thousand dollars a month. So I don't know if what Nearly twenty thousand. I'm in debt. It's smarter to pay it all off at once and be done with it or the thousand dollars. Oh safer piece that each month until I until I break down your shortest method to building wealth is to become an stay debt. Free where you have no payments. Show what I would do if I woke up in your shoes. You've done a wonderful job of saving and the two of you need to start working together on a written budget and start investing not just saving but yes I would write a check today as soon as you get off the phone and pay off your student. Loan any trump. Scofield really. Good then you need to set aside the some of the rest of that money where he just just six months of expenses and call that your emergency fund the other money then is for investing or for you know if you're ready to purchase some things or something is your continuing to move along doing a really really good job of saving way ahead of the game at twenty three well done. But I'd be debt free in about twenty the minute from right now. Ready set go. This is the Dave Ramsey show This is the time of year your timeshare maintenance fees are coming. It's a painful reminder under in the form of a fat bill that you bought something you can't use and you can't sell enough is enough. Timeshare exit team will get you out of a bad situation when the resort refuses to help you. The first step is a free consultation schedule one today. If they can't get you out they'll give you your money back. 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We have several investment accounts and several of them are are the ones where we have paid our taxes on it and it's growing and I'm just. I'm having a hard time really what I'm having a hard time doing being patient in paying the mortgage under our plan and I see the opportunity to just be able to pay it off right now and I'm just I'm curious about you walking me through my thoughts on that. If that's like financial move or not so so you have how much in non retirement investments non. So Ma make you. That would not be penalized because they're not an IRA or a 401k. Or something like that. Just Dr- you have regular investments. That are not in a retirement account right correct correct. How much so I have about one hundred thirty thousand in two accounts okay? And what is the balance on your mortgage seventy seventy two thousand okay. Well based on what we teach you would be debt free by the end of this phone. Call Okay I would never ever have borrowed on my home to have invested in non retirement investing and. I know you didn't technically do that. But by not opinion off from a balance sheet perspective. It's exactly what you've done right okay and I can buy into that. I'm just you know it. It seems like the thing and I just had a place where at a place in our house where I I really just want to see. All this gone. Yeah I feel like I have the ability to do that. You and I can okay this week this this week by before before Friday night I'd be debt Free House and everything. Here's what's going to happen. You're going to have a sense of release. You've been doing all this analysis with your mind only early. Your brain and risk is measured in your heart. You're going to have a sense of released when you pay the house off. If you don't even see coming it's going to be a blast you're gonNa love it and then when you don't don't have a house payment you're in a position to seriously poor all of the cash you WanNa pour in any kind of an investment and any kind of generosity that you want to do and those are where aware prosperity come from all of the the average millionaire when we did our study. Our largest study ever of the million of millionare's done in North America for Chris Hogan's book every day millionaires. We found that the typical millionaire has paid off their home. In ten point two years and the first people have a five million dollar net worth or less between in one in five million dollar net worth the first five million and net worth comes from paid for house and 401K. That's where typically has come from. Now you get a book beyond five million. It's the other stuff we're talking about where you start doing non retirement investing because you don't have a house payment and that's probably where you are 'cause you don't sound that old. How old are you going to be one? Yeah Yeah you're going to be sitting in some serious gotten dude you got you got the math on your side. You got a lot of time left a really seriously do some good stuff yeah. I'd be debt free today. I look at your budget. You and your spouse and say Mama Okay now. We don't have any payments. How much do you want invest invest? How much do you WanNa play with and how much you WanNa give and let? Let's do some of all three all the time enjoy money give money and Always invest money so good question. Alex is with us in Texas. Hi Alex welcome to the Dave Ramsey. Show you better than I deserve. What's up I'm calling because I already had A car you know that it was peed off ready. But he was getting how old and I wanted to get new vehicle purchased a dozen fifteen Ford Fiesta. But right now I barely had like a year with alone and I'm trying to resell it for the body always super-low yeah I was gonNA stake. What yes and then I also went to car MEX and the value? They're giving these probably like we're often five hundred Rx. Rex is offering you a wholesale deal they gonNA turn around and resell the car for profit. So what you need to do is go to. Kb Kelley Blue Book Dot Com. And look what the private sale is so they offered you four thousand five hundred dollars at Carmax. And what do you owe on the car right. Now it's ten thousand four hundred seventeen so then I was a on five thousand eight hundred. Yeah well you don't you don't because you're not GONNA do that deal okay but if you did a private sale on this car it'll probably bring seven thousand. Just put out for Joel now. What is your income? Tom Incomes wrong. Twenty five thousand baby girl do for a living Teacher teacher you're a teacher. juried teacher's aide okay. Yes Ah you're single. How many children do you have? No children good. Good Okay Frank could get out of this known. You know because I'm trying to save money for maybe how uniquely alone paid off. So here's what I would do if you made an extra eight hundred dollars a month aren't working an extra job three and put all of eight hundred dollars a month towards his car. You would pay it off in one year and by next Christmas much the car would be paid for. And that's what I'm going to recommend does your stock and selling it and being six thousand dollars. Erzen data five thousand dollars or four thousand dollars. Debt is not gonNA fix your situation. You've got to increase your income and dump it all on this car debt and cleared as fast as you can get up and never borrow money by car again the rest of your life. This is the Dave Ramsey. Show if you've turned on the TV. Read a paper or or been on the web lately than you know. This country's in the midst of an identity theft crisis equifax is attempting to settle with its one hundred and fifty million million breach victims and capital one exposed the records of over one hundred million Americans. You can't possibly still think you don't need identity. Theft F protection the only way to fight it is being prepared with an ID theft protection plan and the only one I have ever used or recommended as from Zander insurance surender call eight hundred three five six forty two eighty two or visit ZANDER DOT com. Well if if you are not strapped with student loan payments odds are you know someone who is millions or having to put off things like life because they're so deep in the student loan debacle. That is out there. Students across the country are learning that they do not have to get trapped in this student. Loan abject failure that we have in America today and we've launched a brand new eight episodes podcasts. That now over a million people have downloaded. It's called borrowed future. One of the top PODCASTS. In all of twenty nineteen eight episodes. And you can if you're out riding around the holidays. Okay this is a chance for you to get your hands on what's really happening in the student. Loan world and it will shock you. How predatory this mess is? We've got behind the scenes folks and whistle blowers people from the industry. People like mark. Cuban Seth Godin Me Ramsey personalities Anthony O'Neill and We're going to unpack the whole student. Loan Mess for you. It's call borrowed future. Of course it's on apple podcasts. It's on spotify. Or wherever you listen to podcasts. You'll be able to get it and jump in check it out. So here's here's the deal. We took most of the summer off on the debt. Free screams because we were moving into a new office building Today is our the last day of taking debt free screams. We took most of summer offer. debt-free screams we were still doing the show but we didn't do deford screams because the buildings under construction and we have people in the lobby and all that kind of stuff so We came up about three months less four months less of debt free screams this year than we usually usually do. Typically debt-free screams on the air doing their debt. Free scream by phone or in our lobby. Add Up to around forty five after fifty million dollars a year this year we still did. Thirty seven million thirty six million seven hundred sixty two dollars and forty seven hundred sixty two thousand four hundred dollars get out thirty. Six million seven hundred sixty two thousand four hundred dollars paid off in two thousand nineteen with our debt free screams. That's on the air screaming debt-free can you possibly imagine if thirty six million on the air did their debt-free screams how many out there are more. There are and how much more there is. I mean it's it's it's hundreds and hundreds of million if not billions. It's pretty amazing. So thank you and congratulations to all of you because that was our last debt free scream last hour for this calendar year Because tomorrow is our giving show and then we be done for this year. You'll begin best of's after that baby because me and Santa Claus else were buddies. We'd be hanging out together. I'll be drinking some his hot chocolate. I'm just saying so y'All jump in and just congratulate America. Thirty six million seven hundred sixty two thousand four hundred dollars paid off debt free. He screams right here on the air. Absolutely very very cool so I'm pretty fun stuff. Pretty Fun stuff. So so congratulations. You guys any all year and year out. It's usually forty to fifty sometimes even over fifty million dollars But somewhere around around that fifty million dollar mark every year Because we do want an hour We do fifteen hours of shows. Oh three hours a day five days a week and so the most host we could possibly get in ends up being bent on how much people pay off obviously but You know up upward of forty to fifty million dollars and were very close even though we took a couple of months off on debt-free screams so fun stuff. Thirty six million dollars paid off when you go you guys. We are so proud of you. Joel is is with us. Joel is of course in Indiana. I Joel how are you. I'm well Dave how are you deserve how can I help. I have a question regarding traditional 401k and a raw for one case so my wife and I we are desperate except for mouse good and I have two hundred thousand and traditional 401k. My company does match the regular and the RAW uh-huh I don't have the money to pay the taxes to convert from traditional to raw today. Correct should I still the contribute to a roth war one cage started zero and leave the traditional. Yes we're at that yes so I would start art in two thousand twenty with your 401k. Being Roth from this point forward and of the matching portion has always after taxes. Well it's not Roth and AH before taxes taxable as well so you're still going to have some adding up that's not Because the match that's not roth but that's okay And then some day when you get your home paid off if you WANNA turn around and convert the rest of it to Roth you. You'd have the extra money to pay taxes to pay the taxes of that. Creates you could do that at at that time. But I wouldn't do it until you got your house paid off. I don't want to create another bill for you right now. That's not necessary to get your home. Paid off so even because I'm not on the compound interest is not gonna be there it's been the compound interest is exactly the same name I'm saying. No it's exactly misunderstand compound you misunderstand. Our compound interest works. Okay if you open four new accounts next steer the total is compounding. You're not losing any compound interest if you took the four hundred thousand thousand of the two hundred thousand that you've got him put it in two hundred separate one dollar accounts you will have the exact same mathematical result at the end is if you leave it in one lump the lump sum does not cause the compounding the time and the interest on the money is what causes the compounding Bats where I was getting up. Yeah thank you yeah. You're not you're not losing a thing on that you're gonna be just fine and so from this point forward or tax free growth and the other is GonNa continue to compound but Now what's you're not what you're not going to see is the nominal dollars in the Roth side. Grow but the L- let's say okay. Let's do it this way. What do you make a year earlier combined to twenty five okay? So let's say thirty thousand bucks going into next year. Okay and you're sitting around number all right so thirty thousand dollars go either on the traditional or it's going to go in the Roth that's our question that was posed now. The thirty thousand that goes in next year regardless of where you place it is going to do what thirty thousand is going to do. Follow me I mean. If it's if it grows ten percent the thirty thousand that you put in next year put added to the traditional the thirty that you put in at a ten percent would grow by three thousand if you put it in a Roth right. If it grows about ten percent it's going to grow by three thousand the two hundred sitting there already if it grows by ten percent is is going to grow twenty thousand. See how what I mean. They're they're they're disconnected. So you're going to get three thousand dollars growth on the thirty and twenty thousand dollars growth on the Two hundred regardless of whether they're together or not okay so twenty if it's okay. Let's try it again. If it's two hundred and thirty thousand at ten percent what would you get you get twenty. Any three thousand agreed great. That's in a lump if you left in traditional if it's thirty thousand over here on the side you get three thousand right right if it's twenty and you got two hundred leftover in the other county ten percent and that's twenty thousand right right. Twenty Plus Three is twenty three. We got the exact same growth out of two separate piles as you got from one pile. That's what I was. My point was did that. Did that work that time. That makes sense okay. Cool that's how it works. That's what compounding doesn't have to be in one pile to give you the result it's it all ends up in one pile and and that's the beautiful part of it so very very cool. Hey thanks for the call man and Merry Christmas to you doing really good. Wow what a great income. What a great pile of money? You've already built proud of you. This is the Dave Ramsey show. Yeah Our scripture today Isaiah Forty thirty one but they who wait for the Lord show renew their strength they show mount up with wings like eagles they should run and not be weary they shall walk and not faint Worton said there are two ways of spreading light to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it saul is on the line. He's in Ohio. Hi Sal welcome to the Dave Ramsey. Show yeah hey dave. Hey what's up as so quick question. Here I think my wife and My wife has one hundred ten thousand dollars in student loans She don't know forgiveness program but she's teaching at a low income school for the next ten years She also needs to file her taxes. Married a separate which therefore campaign money in a roth. IRA show put it in the traditional IRA. I Yeah I mean in after ten years switched to a Roth IRA What do you recommend? I really bad news. What's your household income? Ninety five thousand Um pay the student loans office and as you can student. Loan forgiveness is not working thirty. Seven thousand people have made application to get get their student. Loan forgiveness done under the program. She's under ninety. Three have been granted it. She's not get loans forgiven suze. Maybe I shouldn't even invest anything in to pay off as fast as possible. You need. Were both roll up your sleeves. Put Your budgets together. Live your lives together together. Married filing jointly English get. These student loans paid off as soon as you possibly can That also frees her up to do whatever she would want to do with her career. Air Rather than dumbing down possibly dumbing down her career in order to align with the federal program that is basically screwing people. So that's what you're facing a hope that helps you. I'm sorry open phones at triple eight eight two five five two two. Five Anne is with us in Rhode. Island Alan Hi Amy. Welcome to the Dave Ramsey show. Hi Dave thanks for taking my call really quick question so we're always encouraging all the young people tonight. Get the credit cards now. They're starting to want to move out and get apartments and they're saying we can't get an apartment without a credit score. Mom What do you think we're supposed to do bill and I don't know what the answer is. Well the answer is they have to look at a different apartment than the one they were looking at not ever apartment wash their absolutely credit score. Absolutely yeah okay. Just you know. Basically what they're looking at it as a corporate situation where You know a twenty eight year old is the property manager and they've got a bosses in another city that gave them strict guidelines on how to rent this corporate apartment So they may not be able to rent there. There may be able to talk their way through it and just go. Hey by the way the reason I have no credit scores because I have no debt which means I can pay your stupid rent Which makes me excellent tenant not not bogus tenant And so you know that's the kind of stuff that they talk their way through at number one but you may have to deal with a more traditional landlord and For instance I own a whole bunch of property and I couldn't care less when somebody's credit score is when they get ready to move in what we do analysis whether they can actually pay the freaking rent. That's all we care about The credit scores are relevant to me. I don't want a bunch of bad debt outstanding obviously but I'm I'm not proud of you. If you have an eight hundred credit score it means you probably have two car payments student loan coming out your ears and credit cards going everywhere. I'm not sure you're going to pay my rent. That's how I look at it as there's a landlord but I'm actually a knowledgeable landlord on not using policies and procedures on using wisdom when we make a decision on putting someone in open phones. Owns a triple eight. Eight to five. Five to five Scott is in Florida. Hey Scott welcome to the Dave Ramsey. Show Dave thanks for taking my call. Absolutely how can I help. I have a question regarding some investing advice I am twenty seven debt-free doing pretty. Okay do not be engaged and yeah I just wanted had to make sure that trajectory is okay with what I've been doing and where I hope to be headed at the moment Got Some cash I am aside got to. IRA's and some mutual fund investments on the side in addition to a COMP Life Insurance ends policy which is really the meat of my question because I know your opinion on whole life policies but I wanted to see and get your advice on staying anyway. Complex policy is good investing and good family planning no. I don't do any investing the inside of life insurance ever. I've never seen a policy in forty years of doing what I do. That has good rates of return after I dig into all the crap now they present a lot of stuff out on the front of it but when you actually dig in and look at the actual rates of return after all their fees. You don't make any money so I would buy term life insurance. I would never use a life insurance product as an investment vehicle. Never there's not an exception never so yeah I would be getting term insurance in place if you need to make once you're married make sure that you're what new wife is taking care of. Something should happen to you. You and Then I would drop that stuff as soon as that happens. Now if you're worried about insurability you don't WanNa drop this until you have term in place but No we don't use we don't use life insurance in any form any name any brand anything as I investment product and. No I don't own any of it hurt. Somebody's Ramsey secretly owns his stuff. Because because that's what we'll do people do and it's like dumber and crap. Of course I don't own a whole life policy or an investment policy. Sometimes just ridiculous all all right. Dan is in Ohio. Hey Dan welcome to the Dave Ramsey. Show thanks Dave. Merry Christmas to you and your family. I'll make this quick okay. I A few years ago. I got him some real estate investments and just bought some properties for rental. And quite frankly you know those those properties I bought the rental income that brings me is necessary for our family. I'm married Mary twenty two years. I've got seven children. I I've selling one of those properties right. Allie Eliane free and clear to completely clear my personal debts but then I have jets on the rental properties. But but like I said if giving me an I want your advice okay. How many rental properties do you have? Debt on them Well it's all kind of rolled into one big of credit I have two commercial properties three residential 's Four actually but. I'm selling the one that I owned free and clear in your and I'm GonNa Clean Blanket a blanket mortgage one mortgage across all the properties. They've leans on all the properties. That's correct Oh oh crap okay yeah yeah but again doubled your wrists money every month. Yeah you doubled your Josh. I do realize that bad structure Okay here's the problem is is never going to go away until it goes away. So so how much do you owe. let's see on the on all if I combine all five properties About three seventy deep though not they bring me and one of the hottest properties worth in total four and a half maybe four seventy five. Well you're not even cash flowing you're an illusion but the time by the time you pay those payments on that stuff jeff and then you run negative and you run vacancy and you run expenses. You're barely breaking. Even what's your interest rate on that Three seven five. Maybe four between or something like that. Three eight seven pot I no. I don't think you're making as much money as you think. You are. you're under the illusion. This is supporting your family. And I I just. I'm calling BS enough equity there to generate the cash flow spread that you think you're generating it wouldn't the math doesn't work unless you've got some very unusual properties so now I mean you're in your area you wanted to. 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Episode 514 | An Inside Look at MicroConf Remote

Startups For the Rest of Us

39:30 min | 2 months ago

Episode 514 | An Inside Look at MicroConf Remote

"Welcome to this week's episode of startups for the rest of US I of course, I'm your host rob walling. In this week's episode, we take an inside look at microcosm promote, which was the event that we through two weeks ago. I bring producers ender onto the show for the first time ever he's a longtime listener of the show of course and he's been working on Microcosm F- Since twenty fourteen but he's been working fulltime on it for about the last year Zander has a background in event production he's been on the venue side he's been involved in events for. A decade, I could pretty extensive experience. He's had running events and he does some pretty amazing things for us. If you've ever been to a Microsoft, we often get the question how big is your staff for running this event and he's always like, oh, it's just me and the founders and people are like, Whoa because most events when we used to do starter and growth back to back in their four hundred fifty people there over the course of five days four and a half five days you just have a whole event staff doing things and we really haven't and we really are that. scrappy stick continue to be kind that scrappy bootstrapped Microsoft ethos event and producers Sanders a big part of why we're able to pull that off and so we have a great conversation about Microsoft promote it a lot of inside baseball. So if you don't care about it, that's fine too. We'll be back next Tuesday morning normal time, but we talk about the event why we wanted to do it some of the challenges and things we consider we talk about what worked really well, and some things that we would do differently next time. So with that, let's dive into my conversation with producers and Castro. ZANDER. Castro thanks so much for joining me on the show. Hey, thanks for having me first time. Indeed. So he go to sort of the rest of us, dot com and search for the phrase Zander I. Believe you've been mentioned. I mean you just keep scrolling and scrolling and there's a next page and so it's Sandra has been mentioned many times on the show, but you have yet to be in a conversation here for folks who don't know they would have heard little from your intro about and you've been working with us on Microsoft's since twenty fourteen if I recall so quite a few events. Yeah and then you came on full-time just about a year. Well, it was just over a year ago. Congratulations Happy Anniversary WanNa. Thank you. It was a fun anniversary. Wasn't it? Yeah. So you've been working with US fulltime on Microsoft's big expansion in two thousand twenty and on your one year anniversary, we put on Microfilm promote, which is what we came to talk about today. I did want to take a step back though and comment like twenty twenty we planned for seven in person events. We were going from three up to seven, and then we're going to go from zero remote events or virtual events to to, and really we haven't done any in person events. Now, twenty eight twenty is really Everybody has been del pretty much anybody that is producing live events right now is seeing of. T.. Rough year. Was a lot going on right now and there's much more that isn't going on right now as a result of social distancing in quarantine and whatnot coke nineteen. Yeah. It feels like such an absolute dumpster fire in terms of trying to get people together and I don't know about you I kind of want to do over. Tell me about it. Live events. Industry is the one that bring in like six billion dollars a year just in the US in so like you just imagine all of those different staff members that are not working right now and it's just it's pretty devastating. There's there's. It's a rough industry to be an that's for sure at this time. And so a lot of folks have turned to virtual events. That's one thing that I, I kind of wanted to say right off the bat is like we planned over a year ago to do to virtual events this year at least two right because we did the state of Independence Ass livestream back in January and then we had decided we'd named it come promote. Remember we were trying. To, figure out a name like virtual microcosm digital Mike von line, and we just loved remote because they had to have remote work and announced all of this last. December. But we had basically I mean literally over a year ago or just about a year ago had said we're GonNa do this thing and so the fact that covid happened really didn't change those plans, right? No, not for not. For micro confirmation. That's for sure. I. Think we had always had this idea in mind thought it was time to create a virtual implementation of what is microcosm to really create a more accessible events that anybody around the planet would be able to access as they were interested in there weren't those barriers centuries of his travel kind of setting aside the three-day plan to get out to A. Destination to attend a live event I. Think we always knew that creating something that was that was definitely more accessible to a mass audience was the route that we wanted to take with the remote version of Microsoft for share. Yeah. We had been talking I mean you you mike and I believe talked about it five, four, five years ago about trying to do it can Barscelona. Yeah and so. It's been on our mind but I know that wasn't like the highest priority because if you can do in person events, I mean personally I just I think they're just I don't know better. Person Events because I mean as much as a you know you have to travel more expensive. They're all these things, but there's just a value there. I. Think that is pretty much impossible to replicate online. So we had never prioritized it but with this expansion, we did want to dip Artaud in the water and get a little better at it, and so really as I said, decided to do it last fall and then I think we talked for awhile about not making it a replacement for A. Microcosm because alive and in-person Microsoft is so unique and there's so much about this set up in the hallway trek and this and that that we weren't trying to replicate it. We're trying to do something a little different and I think that's a challenge I think honestly, if it hadn't been for Covid I think Microsoft remote would have been even more unique than it was because there wouldn't have been a bunch of other virtual events around it, but we were in essence competing with these other zoom. Zoom events, but a lot of other online events. So we had to stand out that much more. Definitely. So as we were kind of going through the research phase of what it would look like to implement microcosm promote back in November December of two, thousand hundred, we had done a bunch of customer interviews that focused around what it meant to attend micro often, what were the things that were drying you to our live events and that in person person to person interaction was one of the high above elements that people were seeking out when it came to attending Micra. Conference oh I even as we were in the midst of planning a microcosm promote, we sent a little bit of time talking about how it wasn't going to be a live version of Migra. Calms we talked I joked around saying that we should just brand it as not microcosm because it was a unique way to look at what our attendees are constantly seeking, which is that person to person connection it's an industry that few people that are kind of innocent bystanders or On the side looking inward don't really understand the mechanics starting your own business doing the daily grind at home, not really being able to get out a lot of people. A lot of people are starting to understand that more these days but I think that one of things that we consistently tried to achieve at our live events is that the connection that's formed in the hallway track and kind of trying to replicate that in a digital setting as we'll talk about A. Little bit later is a challenge. It's not the same type of experience. You would see it in a in a live experience when you're shaking hands with someone, which we should talk about. This is probably not going to be something that we're going to encourage during live events even were able to get back together, but I think that trying to replicate that was was something that took a lot of consideration and something that we were hoping we could we could emulate for sure. We weren't trying to replicate what you're trying to translate from in person to online. Yeah. Absolutely, and so just to give an overview I, know we sold just about almost seven hundred tickets and so quite a few listeners probably have have bought tickets and may have attended or seen the video. But in essence we decided to do a five hour livestream parts and parts of it were prerecorded. We had some people pipe in with quick fixes that were two three five minutes, and then sharing I did an founders in cars not getting coffee segment had to be prerecorded because they couldn't do live from. A car. But most of it was truly live and whether it was interviewed a few people and then there were we had four keynote talks, lot of Q. and A. and live interaction, which again is one of the benefits of of live streaming and you Kinda went all out I mean you flew in to Minneapolis and rented a studio where we had. I mean if I recall, there were three cameras on me at all times with fun but also it's like, Geez. I. Can't I can't do I can't even scratch my nose without having six angles of it going to be caught every angle. And then we were there like seven people working on it six or seven person crew behind the scenes and we had three that were upfront helping with the filming and lighting and. cussing and things like that plus me Yep. So that's eight people in just in a technical production of it, and then of course, I'm up on stage and then tracy was doing a bunch of kind of live customer support because when you have that many people attending peak I, believe we had five hundred seventy attending the event and that that's just a lot of people doing stuff. So it was a real baller setup. I, mean, it was not. We kept saying, Hey, this is going to be different event. This is not just a few speakers hosts sitting in his bedroom in front of me I'm in my bedroom. Office right now for example, but we didn't want that to be people in front of webcams. It give that live feel to it because I was on different sets it was on the between two ferns set and I was on a kind of talk show we had like a talk show format and we had a bunch of different creative elements to try to. We knew the content would be startup focused a lot of similar content. We would have a microcosm for on this podcast but with more live interactively but you really double down on like the creativity of the visual elements right to make the experience different for people. Yeah the goal is to really create something that would be considered something that carries you from segment one to segment to to keynote speaker to the Q. and A. Elements. We really wanted to to keep things pretty tight in terms of the timeline of presenters nobody had more than twenty minutes to deliver their own individual element or talk but we wanted to create that sense of forward momentum. That idea that you're GONNA sit down. You'RE GONNA take in five hours of essential. ETV. How can we make it so? That each elements kind of leads into the next but is entertaining enough to to really feel like it's worth sending them out much time and when it comes to digital events, you even with the seven hundred, some tickets that we sold seeing that we had five hundred, seventy, five ish folks that were on at peak. That's pretty significant number of people that are not engaging, and so the idea is that you see anywhere from fifty to sixty percents off when just tickets to when they actually attend the event when. It comes to digital experiences, and so we wanted to give everyone who chose to tune in a reason to stay versus just presenting the content. The way that we had set it off, and that new distributor we wanted to make sure that there were these engaging touch points and I will say we recorded almost everything in advance of the event as well. Just in case there was catastrophic failures across some of the technology. So we had those backup elements so that we could auto throw to it. So nobody would. Miss Anything there is issue with that. We'll talk about in a bit, but there was a lot of thought that went into creating a through line the streamlines story from the opening of the shows through to the closing QNA with Jason freed. I think that there was a lot of thought that went into how to create that line but we wanted to make sure that it was being presented in a way that that copies of people's attention in between each of keynote sessions per se in that kept it moving forward. Right, and that I mean is a point I think translating an in person event to an online event. We didn't just want to put on a microcosm and have a camera streaming because it we could have done that right we could have other flown speakers in or we could have sent a camera crew every speaker place, and just had him sit on a stage and we just don't think that's going to work the way that it should. Right? It's not the optimal translation as I said earlier, we're not replicating we're. Translating we're trying to adjust it exactly as you think about like transcription, not these services that are talking about, hey, we can get up to ninety five percent accuracy. The translation between a live event at digital events is not one to one it. There is going to be fall off in terms of the experience. The guests are having in theory. The keynotes in the content should be pretty much in line with the expectations that they have going into the event. But when you go to a live events you have that. To the crowd you've had that sense of energy and that that moment where a speaker says one individual thing and everyone's ears perk up or there's a laugh that comes across the crowd. That's an that's an intangible experience that you really cannot create in a remote digital setting, and so there are some challenges in putting forward content that that in a live event, it would originally be meant to experience and mass when you're presenting into a Webcam in Frana essentially one person near seeking to one person despite the fact that there are seven hundred, some people that. Purchase tickets to attend. You really are only speaking to that one in trouble in any given moment, and so it is pretty difficult to translate from going to live even that you're missing that energizing elements. Yeah I mean personally had to really work on learning to talk to a camera because obviously I've talked to a microphone for more than a decade now and I've talked on stage to an audience for more. than a decade now and each of those things where terrifying at the start and I learned to do them, and now I feel fine doing them and I feel like I'm got definitely gotten better over the years at talking to a camera with no audience or just with camera people around is way different and it is hard to bring the energy. It's hard to not be self conscience it's hard not to stumbling. You're so distracted staring into this land you don't feel like people are there and it has literally taken me a year I. Mean I think the first like decent video we recorded for microcosms last October or November and was rough. It took me a bunch of takes and it wasn't very good and each one went back and watched a few of them the other day and it made me feel good. It was like, Oh, I'm actually better. Because, you'll feel like, of course, I'm my. Own worst critic and so even when I watch footage of remote I'm like, Oh, I shouldn't have done that or I should have said that better. But when I go back to eleven months I'm like Ou. Know I'm doing okay and that's a learned skill and I think it's tough for for presenters. If you don't have a lot of experience with it, it just takes time to to get better at that. So the difference between scripted and prerecorded elements versus kind of alive. Conversational elephants is apt in when you're in front of a camera and you had a script and there are peaks and valleys in the direction that that strip is taking, you have to provide that level of acting yeah and and impart a little bit of emotion to it that you normally wouldn't experience if you're just having a regular conversations, the example that I pulled from this was we had robbed recording rob. We had you recording on the Greens free and right at the the. Day before the events and I've had asked you to do these like little peppy welcome to microcosm. Let's get the show started and we ended up pulling each of those because it just didn't feel perfect. It didn't feel as natural as we would want it to and to do scripted element like that without having be just solid piece of content that felt great. You get to edit those types of things at all. That's not say your energy wasn't awesome rob but it. Just didn't feel like it was that genuine emotional experience that we would be trying to convey, and so we just I just rap those pieces because it felt like it wasn't needed in order to advance the show. So it is definitely different. There's there's a lot of acting when it comes to presenting to a camera. especially in those prerecorded elements, you WanNa make sure that the tone that you're bringing to the expression that you're delivering is matching up with the words that you're saying. It's weird. So you said you're not saying my energy wasn't good. I'm saying my energy wasn't good I remember being like this sucks and I'm trying to put myself up but I am not the get myself pumped up. To. Talk. About the. It's so interesting because when I watch people when we got acquired by Lee Pages, they had full time videographer and they've just cranked out videos and that I would see people be extremely natural in conversation much like you and I are being very natural and a conversation now, and when we'd watch the video back, there wouldn't be any good like it looked terrible and then I would watch someone record and I'm like this acting he's. Not even talking the way that we do when we normally are hanging around Avenue Pacino and and he's sitting there on Cameron it Phil Weird in person but on the camera if great and that's that this weird translation thing until got clicked for me like I hadn't realized that that's that's what you had to do. Camera requires a different level of emotion I think or you know or energy so to move it along and things that we. In terms of remote, obviously, we had to translate from an in person event to an online event and figure out what was different. We thought a lot about time zones I mean we were going to do it at nine am central and a wound up being eleven am and we moved it this way because of California, and then we moved it that way because of Europe and we realized that Asia was going to be two in the morning Asia and Australia and at a certain point, you just can't you can't do it perfectly. We actually toyed around with the idea of trying to do twelve hours or trying to do like a three three three at different times of the. Day for different things and realistically. Weird look. It's first big event like this. Let's bite off what we can chew and not get too crazy with it. Totally. Yeah. Choosing time zones as always is a challenge we see us in microcosm connect all the time. Where are we do have a majority of the members of Connectin really the majority of our audience is US based and so there isn't elements of meetings to cater to the primary source of your audience and produce content than in program times or that are going to be the most accessible to those folks but we do want to to recognize that our audience is pretty expansive and so we try to do as much as we. Can to cater to those individuals individual time zones as as much as we possibly can. But when it came to the live implementation of this event so we knew that the core of the audience points becoming from the US and that we could make the recordings of the events available afterwards so that if nothing else we were able to make Microsoft, promote available to anyone to consume at any time. It's just a matter of when we were choosing the timeframe for the actual live events we just had to keep in mind who is going to be our largest source of audience. What could we do to make sure that they were getting the best out of their experience that we? Could possibly create and another thing was ticket price I. Remember again five years ago we went back and forth on this so much but five years ago I remember we were really saying should a virtual micro confidant should it be premium should be one hundred bucks a pop or should it be trying to get the most people into it? So make ten dollars five or ten dollars a pop, and we were back and forth back and forth, and I was on the charge more camp if I if I recall then I bounced and said, oh it should be ten dollars and then when covid started, we just try to make it free well, we can't really pay for the studio and There's quite a bit of expense incurred with us. So then we went to ten and then we went to ninety nine and then went to fifty what we wound up I think it was a cool hybrid and you basically made the call on this end and you're like look fifty bucks but easy opportunities to get discounts and there was like if you recorded a sixty second intro to you and your founder story, you can get half off and I think if you poked around on the website somewhere. You could get it for like ten bucks trae you get like eighty percent off and it was a clever way of kind of having options. I will say this I am a firm believer that remote events should not be charging the same ticket price as live events I. think that the experience is vastly different. I think that the expectations are are so easily managed within a virtual events that you should be able to really hone back on some of the fluff that's associated with your live events that. Cam, Trim. That ticket price down ticket prices new margins on events in general are so well that at something that you really you need to play around with what those levels are going to be, but the difference between a digital and a live event in terms of the expense in the overhead that's connected to those events is so vastly different that there is almost a degree of disingenuousness when you're choosing to charge the same amount for a digital events as you would for the live version of it. It goes back to the idea that this was never Michael Promote was never meant to be a replacement for Mike prompt growth, their starter or one of our live events. It was always meant to be this standalone lower costs more easily accessible program, and it's why we didn't just say, Hey, were canceling microcosm for Growth Minneapolis. WE'RE GONNA turn it into a digital event to then assert that you're going to get the same value at nine hundred, ninety, nine dollars ticket prices you going to get from microcosm remote. Didn't feel right. It doesn't feel like there is that connection to live and digital events that allow you to charge the same amount of money for about experience, and so that was always the plan was to be a super low cost event. We talks about those ten dollar ranges. We talked about that fifty dollar price point, which is where we ultimately settled on our our core pricing. Vast of the attendees paid between ten to twenty five dollars. For their tickets weather through their stories emissions or them poking around the website and finding one of those Easter egg towns that were available those were present throughout the ticket buying experience, and so we wanted to make sure that then people could purchase at the level that they felt most comfortable ads while we were still able to to make at least the margin that we needed to in order to be able to afford to host the event. Let's dive into. We're GONNA, talk about kind of what worked, and then things we would improve or do differently next time on, we have quite a few of them. So we might need zip through them pretty quick based on time, but I think the idea of ticket prices and selling tickets kicks in this first one of what worked is I think we did a good job generating interest in marketing the event we sold just under seven hundred tickets and I was pretty happy with that. I think that tells us that the pricing was probably within the realm of where people expected to be, and certainly it's the biggest microcosm event prior to this is essentially growth every year which. Runs about two seventy, five, I believe. So obviously, digital is very different than person, but but still to to sell that many tickets and have close to them in showing up in the stream I consider it a win. Yeah. You have that opportunity to sell tickets up until the day before the event, you your ticket sales runways. So different from alive experience where you have to not only buy tickets but you have to buy your flights you have to buy your hotel rooms, all this added expense and added time that's needed in order to prepare for those logistics. We we're able to sell those seven hundred tickets in less than a month, and so it felt like it was. Definitely. An interesting prospect when you consider the six to eight months that you want to have in terms of runway to sell tickets to a live within this just feels like it's an easier outlets to the able to increase your events capacity to to be able to welcome more people into the experience I. think that that is is one of the more unique elements of digital and remote events that worked well for us something else I think worked. Is the programming itself like just the the talks, the segues that you had set up the quick tips, the interviews, just the actual each of those things I mean there was like one or two segments. You weren't great. Mike and I doing this slide, you know the analysis of the slides Steph. Who slide is in a way right where we have to do Improv I mean let's be honest Mike and I maybe not the best Improv comedians on. Yeah. So I mean, but that was like twelve minutes long and it's like, okay we kind of punted on it but I think inge overall in general like the programming itself felt solid to me and the transitions. Also felt like we just experimented with formats quite a bit. You know you had the quick tip. We had keynotes live Q. and A. We had interviews kind of AMA style. We had a heck was actually kind of a more of a teaching session where asked him one or two questions and he taught and we had you know sharing I in the car not getting coffee like that was just a fun little thing that people commented on I felt like the experimentation there and the programming itself was was. Yeah TV it goes accident concept of Benjamin TV like a sketch shallow war interventional cable or something like the small bits that have nuggets of information that you can pull from them primarily. Inspirational. The things we were leaning into with microcosm remote is that during covid things have just not been exciting, not been great and there have been a lot of people who have been going through some pretty hardships. So we wanted to lean into the inspiration that that comes with building SAS and building these events, and they're building these products and companies is that there is a light at the midway through the tunnel of building these products, and hopefully, people were able to latch onto some of the more inspirational elements coming from the events to to kind of carry them through the end of this. Year, which is going to be going to be just as interesting to see his the next three months of how the rest of twenty twenty pounds out. Hopefully, this event was able to that level of inspiration that we were trying to achieve, and then audience engagement I. Think was another one you had both with Q. and A. or some folks are willing to come on and actually do video questions, which is cool. But there was a lot of questions ample questions, typed questions that then read and engage with as well as surveys that you had going on during the event which I think. was kind of cool. If you're watching something you got bored there was a way to go take a survey in that poll would then appear later in the event. Yeah I think that one of the pieces of feedback we've got a lot of which a personally as a really nice piece of feedback in my perspective is that people weren't expecting this to be an active engagement event they were expecting to sit down and just locher listen to people speaking, and the fact that there were a few layers of engagement they were able to able to participate in if they were aware of it. Was Pretty. It was pretty cool. I think that is the goal of these types of digital evinces you want to recreate some of those elements. You WanNa do that translation of that in person events into a live events, and there's only limited opportunities free to do that, and so I think that people surprised by some of those elements that we did leverage whether it was the Cuban as the serving tools, the attempted recreation hallway track, and I think that there were some things that people could get excited about and could lean into that were different from just a generic digital event experience. Another thing I feel like he did a really good job with is you really headed more than any other time you headed up finding speakers for this event and one of the goals I mean we always have with Microsoft is to make them as diverse as possible both racially, and just gender. Wise. Just represent people well more in the audience and we want what we can control, which is having more of them on stage I. Feel like as challenging as it was I know that you send emails and a lot of folks and got a lot of knows or or no responses. You did a pretty good job of filling out the the docket with relatively balanced staple of speakers. Yeah I will say that the diversity of our speakers in lineups one of the most important things that I have my radar on as were programming content. It's something that we've talked about since the day that I started working on my for confident I know it something that was on your radar and something you are planning for since the inception of the events and I will say that it is one of the most difficult things to ensure. As you are putting together lineup you WanNa make sure that the messaging and the actual content is in line with the expectations of the audience in terms of indie funded bootstrapped founders. That have built up product sat are primarily SAS that are reaching market that is generating XYZ rr, and we can find a ton of people within that sphere. But in the process of searching for those folks I put out forty different asks that were either rejected or we just warrant in line with the timing of the event or the goals that that person had when it comes to presenting to an audience and so while the diversity of the lineup I am pretty proud. Of It's never really enough. It's never enough to just say, Hey, here's what we've done and what we're going to try and continue to do. It's an active work that goes into finding people that are going to be a match for your values and your mission statement that you're putting out as an organization but are also representative of the world at large. I think it's it's so important to make sure that that stage is representative of who we want to be in our. Audience and we know that it will never be enough. But if anybody has suggestions for female speakers, speakers of color, just really anybody that can contribute to the diversity of ideas that are being presented from the microcosm stage Please send them over ZANDER ADD MICROCOSM DOT com more than happy to to fill those requests and have conversations with anybody that is looking to get into either seeking at events or that has recommendations for for speakers that kind of fit within that sphere. Yeah. It's tough to be technology because it is so imbalance especially when you get into software. Sas Specifically, and we've constantly are putting thought and time into and I love the progress we've made over the last decade of having zero underrepresented founders in the first year, and then having won the second year and each year it's a little more and I think these are the types of things that change over the change over years or decades. Unfortunately, they don't change overnight but it definitely, I appreciate it all the work I always appreciate all the work you put into people don't realize do forty asks in order to try to get just a more diverse in know the best the best and most diverse lineup takes a lot of hustle. Fall in your lap, and so I think that kind of rounds out what worked with the event. Obviously, there's more things but just an interesting time we have a few things. That I feel like we could improve in future events and given that this was our first time of doing a big essentially big. Remote event like this I think the list is good. It's a good amount of learning that we got from. Me and we learned a ton that is so true and that's the thing. The first one is just Shindig, which is that software platform a used really didn't live up to what we needed it was both in the broadcasting of it I, think you were saying people were like not seeing audio and then not seeing video and the not seeing this part and nothing that part and when people tried to connect in the hallway track where we were trying to connect individuals that part wasn't necessarily functioning, and of course you. Spent dozens of hours evaluating I don't know how many tools six eight tools across a wide range of technologies in a wide range of prices and all that stuff and everybody promises the world, and then you get in the day of during livestream. The thing doesn't work and something like some something someone suggested. Well, you could try this on a more local try with only one hundred people, and if we had done that it probably would have worked just fine and then when we went to five hundred, seventy at our peak. There's having an inbetween I. Don't think actually helps until I mean it fails at a certain point, right? It's somewhere between four hundred and six hundred. I think is where things started falling off the bus. So unless we had that many people, I don't think you know because it truly was a scale thing was my understanding I think that there was a bit of a balance there where the issues that we ran into seemed likely we were going to run into those same issues at of one hundred attendees. Platform. itself that one point completely locked out me as an admin being able to run the show being able to upload feeds being able to. Manage changes to individual feeds as they were being streams there I will say that the reason that we chose Shindig was the the implementation of the networking elements. It created this sentiment of being seated at a table with the with other guests that were were in attendance. You can control the number of guests that were seated at each table that was one of the parameters. that. We had set for them to only have ten people per table there where seating up to thirty people at each individual table without following the parameter that we set in the back end, and so there are a lot of little bugs and glitches that were peppered throughout the back end of the softwares at didn't follow the inputs data that we had submitted. This is like. Any other fast product that has a robust back end that could be adjusted to meet the expectations that you have as as a user of that piece of software. But the delicious end, the breaks that were happening were based around some of those particular imports that you had, and so there was really very little way to recreate that type of experience ahead of the event. As an individual producer, these are things that I am sure that the technology has gotten feedback on prior to the wasn't the feedback that I got when I had talked with them to really investigate whether the platform would be usable for us. It wasn't in the the referral information that I had pulled from some of the industry folks that we're using the tool, the software itself. Can hope that it is moving in a direction that it's going to solve the problems that it does have in place because if it does then I think that the concept of the hallway tracker, the networking elements of the event experience would be amazing I. Think it really did do the thing that it said that it did the thing that we were looking for in a product. There are tons of them out there. We looked at some of the more enterprise level in Expo we looked at livestream we were considering using just youtube and slack, which is something we'll get into a little bit later we. Had explored hop in there were a number of tech products that were doing similar things to different varying degrees of success with their users. Themselves and Shindig was the platform that had text a number of the boxes that we were looking to to maximize on or it took a number of boxes that we were. We were seeking out in a platform and ultimately a without having five hundred to seven hundred test cases within an infrastructure. You're only able to see what it can do under that mass of execution when you have that number of people in space man so it was it was docking I will say that. Yeah another thing that that I feel like we could improve is that we've commented how this event was different or is different than in person marker cough and I'm not sure that F- How much that fully sunk in for me until we were doing it but I was there I was like, yeah, this is not a regular Microsoft and I don't know that we communicated that in crystal clear terms to people of like, Hey, 'cause we got. A, believe it was like seventy percent first timers who had never been to a microcosm. Great. I mean, that's part of the beauty of remote but the thirty percent who had been to one may have expected this to be like Microsoft event that was filmed in live streamed, and that isn't what this was. Right? We mixed it up and I think setting that expectation next time I think would probably be beneficial. Yeah. I would tend to a group. And then the last one you have you have here pivots slack and Youtube what do you think in there? Yeah. So in the midst of the show, we ended up just leaning on some of the tools that we have been using the last four months when some of the video and audio feeds were going down for individual users, we were streaming out our signal out included both the video. And the audio streams, but there were points where the screen was black. Now, for one of our presenters, there were elements where the audio would cut and it would just be the video. So we all what we ended up doing is taking the actual stream from that we patching into Shindig and we just sent it straight into youtube. So we had our Microsoft connect channel that was running side. By side the width, a youtube streamed for that weren't able to actually use Shindig as a platform. So to be able to to make that pivot and to implement these alternative resources in the midst of an event I think that's something that you wouldn't often see Atalaya event either you. You wouldn't be able to kind of make that quick switch and have a similar experience in a live event. That you if you have to change hotels if you to change rooms meeting spaces, things like that, you would find yourself in a bit of a struggle in order to execute that in a pretty quick turnaround sense. So I think that that was something that was successful based on some of the challenges we ran into using Shindig Yeah Kinda reminds me of a sprinkler off and having rooms have. Two seater. You See. All right. We'll serve thanks for coming on and the victories in some of the and things we would do differently next time a heck of an event to mark your one year anniversary working fulltime on. Microsoft. Yeah. It was a good time I. mean it was a struggle. There are some significant pitfalls in that. You kind of have to get past those as a producer you have to everything is moving. So quickly you've got upset pass them and move onto the next thing as quickly as you can in order to keep the show running. So as they say, the show must go on. All Right Sir folks want to see what you're working on Microsoft Dot. com. So much of what goes up there is is you and if they email support at Microsoft dot com, they can send feedback directly to you. All right thanks for coming on the show. Thank you so much. Pleasure being on my first time after all these years. Awesome So hope it was interesting for you to hear some of the inside baseball around microcosm remote. Thanks again to producers Zander for joining me on the show. That's it for this week although there will be another episode of Tennessee Sea Tales in your ear buds this Thursday morning. Hope you're enjoying season two so far. So thank you as always for listening to startup. So the rest of us and I will be in your ear buds again next Tuesday morning.

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Why Your Destination Wedding Might Be Presumptuous (Hour 3)

The Dave Ramsey Show

40:18 min | 1 year ago

Why Your Destination Wedding Might Be Presumptuous (Hour 3)

"Live from the headquarters of Ramsey solutions. Broadcasting from a dollar car rental studios. It's the Dave Ramsey show. Were dad is dumb cash is king Adolf home. Mortgage has taken the place of the BMW as the status symbol of choice. I'm Dave Ramsey your host. Thank you for joining us, America. We're glad you're here. Open phones at triple eight eight to five five two two five. Cecilia is with us in Boston. Hi cecelia. How are you? Hi. Hi, thank you so much for taking my call. Sure. How can I help? So my husband, and I have around two hundred fifty thousand dollars of debt. Well, most of it being student loans. I know no mortgage because we don't have a house, and we also have to lease vehicles. We just old one. We have another one that had is over around two thousand miles. So we've been trying to save up for car in order to drive that and several used car, and we have a family wedding. That's coming up in August in another country. It's my husband's brother and beat decided in order to help keep our zone city up and not take too much of a hit to have my husband, go and me stay and the issue with that was that his family was not happy with the decision, and it was very upsetting. And we got, you know, called selfish, and and it was tough emotionally handle that. And we're just wondering reading too insensitive both go so we're gonna pickle with that. So is his family wealthy. No. So they're all broke, but they're doing a destination wedding internationally. Well, I don't know when brothers situation is. And as you know. The nation wedding. And you invite all your family, that's broke. It's kind of unfair. But I personally thought right. So where's the wedding? Public. Okay. Well, it's not too bad. I mean, what would it cost you get down there? So one plane ticket for their date is around almost seven hundred dollars for a weekend. And what's your household income? We make around sixty thousand dollars year combined. Wow. You have two hundred thousand dollars in debt. I I cried myself every night. Yes. So how much how much of the two hundred thousand or these two cars. Well, the Chook. So I got rid of one of the cars, we got rid of one of the leases. So we don't have that five hundred dollar payment. That was the car payment was a part of the two hundred dollars in debt that you gave me. No also addition to that. Okay. Right. And how much how much do you on the other car? So you don't have you don't have that in the two hundred thousand either. Okay. And what is the two hundred thousand all student loans? Yeah. So it's a hundred thousand his student loans, and it's ninety thousand my in laws and the rest are credit card and thank loans. So what are your degrees in? My degree is in school counseling. So I took loans in my bachelor's and master's degree, and he darted nursing practitioner degree, but didn't finish. So he took the launch for that. So now, we have that long or that debt without a degree of you work. Yes, we both way. Only make sixty thousand dollars a year. Okay. Wow. So your masters degree in all of your work was a really poor investment. Right. Based on the career field that you've chosen out of it. Anyway. If we just take years alone, you say a hundred thousand dollars in debt. I mean, you're making what thirty. No, I'm making. So I I guess I met after taxes I'm making around. I'm making fifty but after taxes I wanna say like you're making fifty I wanted to see my. He just started working new job. So right now, he makes around fifty. He just started a teaching job. But that wasn't you know. Fifteen fifties. Like a hundred. A hundred thousand dollars a year. All right. That's a little different. Well, I I mean seven hundred dollars one way or the other is not going to change your life. Until the positive or the negative. It's more the point of who runs your house, your mother-in-law or you too. And that's what this comes down to. It's more of a boundaries issue. And. You know, I I might be inclined to spend the seven hundred accepted. Everybody wanted me to. And then that makes me not want to do it. Because you're trying to tell me how to run my house all of you. But yeah. Seven hundred bucks. If that's all it's gonna call. She get down there that's really out of a hundred thousand year income, and you've got a two hundred thousand dollar mess the seven hundred dollars not the issue. I mean, you're gonna find other stuff that happens that's going to be seven hundred dollars one way or the other. And both of you need to get extra jobs in. Yeah. You got to sell this other car? That's a lot more important than the seven hundred dollars. I think it's more of a boundary issue of. You know, you don't get to decide what I'm gonna do. That's not you know, you don't live here. And and sometimes you do things not out of guilt tripping. But just because you want to be kind to someone, but but as soon as I start guilt tripping me, I tend to go the other way. So I don't care if you go. It doesn't matter to me. I think you've got a lot bigger fish to fry than that one. So I'm not sure this is a sword. I wanna fall on if it was seven thousand dollars. Yeah. I mean, you trying to fly mate wherever for seven grand. That'd be different but seven hundred bucks, you can work extra for a month delivering pizzas and go right which need to be probably be doing. Anyway, earn some money. So it's just you know, there's so many big numbers here. And that is such a small number that it's more about the relationship issues the boundary issues for me than than than the actual dollars in this case. And so that that's the way I look at it. It's it's so presumptious folks for you guys any of you to do a wedding, and I've run into this much of times over the years to you know, it's fine. If you do it wedding out of the country and do a destination wedding or something that's fine or do a wedding in your city in your whole. Family lives in New York. Do you want to get married in LA because that's where you live. But you don't have the right to be angry. If they can't make it over there. That's presumptuous. And that's a line. You know, if you're all worried about her by making it go were they don't put it in the freaking Dominican Republic. You know? That's just presumptuous as crud. It's just you're presuming upon my money, you're spending my money, and then you're pissed I won't. That's just weird. This is the Dave Ramsey show. I get asked all the time. Do I need life insurance? Listen, the point of life insurance is to replace your income for someone who on it. So if you have a spouse, if you have kids, yes, you need term life insurance and the best place, I know to get it is Zander dot com. Zander insurance where I get all my insurance. And it's where I've been sending my listeners for over twenty years. You can get a quote in a matter of seconds. It's not expensive. It's not complicated. And you need to do this now Zander dot com. Thank you for joining us. America would glad you're here. You know, one of the things I remember more than anything else is just looking up realizing how stupid I was. Money. I mean you ever done something you just wanna like how did you look into Mary go, just dump? I mean, it's just it's like I've done so many dumb things in my life. And I just go how have survived all the stupidity, and you know, just God's grace. I guess and you just get another chance and the next day. You're not a dumb as you were the day before. I mean, I've done it. I mean, the stuff I have done and I look back on. I think I've made every financial mistake. I never did a payday loan. I've been do that one. The only reason I didn't lease a car was a turn me down. Because I was so broke. But I that's I would at least one I tried to Lisa. You're remember a brand. I don't need. They make these cars. Name a Peugeot. I tried to lease a Peugeot. Now. That's too dumb things. Number one. It was a Peugeot. Number two. I was trying to lease it. I mean, I have done so many stupid things and still manage to do enough smart things because I learned from stupid that we built wealth. What we all done stupid stuff. And the thing is you can wander into debt, but you can't wander out. And the only way you win with money or win at anything. That matters. You do it on purpose you become very intentional and make every dollar behave with your budget. Right. You need a plan. But it's kind of like are y'all any of your old enough to your maybe it was a regional thing. I think maybe there's an age thing. We used to go when I was a little kid. They would just throw us in the car, and we would go on Sunday afternoon drives and just drive to nowhere. Around and look at stuff. I mean with no destination. Now, the only time I do that. Now, if I get out like one of our classic, you know, I've got a nineteen sixty corvette. And if it's a pretty Sunday, Sharon, I might drive around new nothing just to be in the car and just to be enjoying the thing. And have you know, tool people in cartoons around. It's kind of cool. You know, it's fun. But the number of terms I get in the car now that I'm not going somewhere. Is almost zero. Most of the time I'm going somewhere. And I'm even learn how to work this little smartphone thing, I've got it'll tell you how to get there. There's a woman that lives in that thing, that's ballsy. And she'll tell you where to turn. And that you missed your turn. And there's a blue line on the page and the whole thing, you know. I mean, you gotta destination and there's a step by step plan to get to this nation. If you wanna go to Florida you've made the wrong, turn son, you need to go that way. If you wanna go to Michigan, you made the wrong, turn, you need to go that way, if you wanna go to that restaurant, you made the wrong turn, you know, you you don't get places on accident. Do you? You don't just go wandering around and go look at that. We ended up where we didn't. Even know we were going if you ain't nothing you'll hit it every time. And people spend more time selecting what Netflix they're going to been John than laying out their monthly budget. They spend more time picking out a suit of clothes than they do their career. They spend more time on stupid stuff than they do on smart stuff. Haven't we hold on that? And you know, the difference in people who are what we call successful. They're successful in their marriage. They're successful with their kids. They're successful in their business. They're successful in their spiritual walk. They're successful in their wealth-building. It's because they do it on purpose. They have a plan. And they become their own little ball. She woman inside the smartphone that tells themselves what do I have a plan? And no, I'm not gonna do that. Because it's not part of my plan. I'm not gonna impulse a new car on lease because my plan is to build wealth. And I'm not going to do that. That's dumb. I'm not going to spend this money because it didn't plan to spend this money. I've not even going to guilt trip into giving this money because I plan to give this money. God tells me to do it. I'll do it. But just because you told me to do it. I mean, I'm going to do it. And so matter of fact chance I'm not going to just because you said to. I'm just kinda obstinate that way. So financial peace university is our nine lesson class where we've taught this to six million people. Here's what you do. If you want to win. Now, you wanna Sunday afternoon drive with your money and most people do they have no destination, and they arrived promptly at no nation. If that's your destination. No, you're going to get there. You're going to get to know destination every time, and these are people that wander along going, I sure hope the government which is well known for its ability to handle money. We'll take care of me when I'm old. Well, this is dumb, but retirement plan. Does the government can't add? I mean, there's a bunch of new ones up there that can add. They're everywhere. Basic math skills are going out the window. And so you really have to take care of yourself in the only way you're going to do that is with a an entire series of intentional acts, and we'll show you how to get out of debt and how to save for emergencies and how start investing and how to follow the path that ten thousand millionaires that we studied a followed. And so that you can be able to put yourself in a position to change your family tree live your life. Generously. It's your turn. But you're not gonna get anywhere. If you don't know where you're going. It's an intentional act. And sometimes you need somebody show, you how the map works. You know? I'm I'm Demane little woman inside the cell phone for money. That's it. That's it's my voice. That's inside the cell phone for when it comes to money. I'm the one that says don't buy that. That's stupid. I'm the one that says credit cards are stupid. I'm the one that says stay out of the payday lender. I'm the one that says avoid whole life life insurance. I'm the one that says leasing cars stupid. I'm the one that says the credit card is the cigarette of finance. It'll kill you. Then it's not even popular anymore. So check out financial peace university today. Ramsey dot com. Call customer, call our Ramsey concierge team. They'll get you signed up triple eight twenty two peace triple eight two two seven three two two three guys. You can do that. Or not do it. It's up to you. But the thing is is it winning is an intentional act. As a matter of fact, it's a series of intentional acts. Turn hair turn their don't turn here Opie. Mr turn. And you know, course, correct get there, but you have a freaking destination, and you can tell if you're making progress towards that destination or not, and that's that's how this stuff works. Knicks weather in Iowa. Nick, welcome to the Dave Ramsey show. Hey, Dave, how you doing better than I deserve. What's up? So I just sold my car for thirty five hundred dollars. And I'm wanting to know if I should buy Peterka senior high school should as a beater car and drive at freak couple years or how long it lasts or showing. I spend like make sure maybe five hundred dollars by a good four thousand dollar you see used car how much money do you have other than thirty five hundred. Well, I've got that. So the thirty five hundred and I'm I wanna be a commercial pilot. I'm actually up free ten thousand dollars scholarship, the pay for my first license. So I have money say for that that I have on account with light school ten thousand dollars for flight school. But you think you've got it covered with scholarship. Right. Well, I know I have. Five four thousand laughs in my flight account. I have eleven hours instruction already done. Four thousand in your flight account, but you need that for flight, maybe maybe on the scholarship. Spend that money. You can't spend that much more important than the car. Right. Okay. So what else have you got? Four thousand from my brother. So I play. And then my. White account. I would get that that type back as quick as I could I would buy the cheapest car you can buy and go to flight school. Get your brother payback. Stop blowing your budget on your wireless plan and switch to talk USA. Pure talk. USA offers simply smarter wireless. Unlimited plans start as low as twenty dollars per month. 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We had eighty five thousand in on our house, and he's had about thirty thousand in student loans paid off your house. People. Are you to our twenty eight? Paid for house. Love it rockstar millennials, man. Good job you guys. Thank you. That's amazing. What's the house worth probably around one hundred thirty hundred forty somewhere around that. And you own the whole freaking thing. Love it. I love it. What do you guys do for a living on the eighth grade math teacher, and right now, I just do the I do the after school program with the kids, and I picked up got a lot of little oddball jobs like Proctor for the. Yes, AT. And then get a cafeteria at night that kind of started when we were doing this. I picked up a nighttime job and it just helped. Real. Yeah. Very cool. How long have you been married going on for years? Okay. She'll right after you got married, you decide we're going to get after this debt to pay off this house and everything else. What made you what lit the fuse on that? How'd you know to do this who sitting over there? He we realized that with we want. I wanted to stay home more. So we didn't have to daycare with our son. And then we realized with our income. We were going to have to do something we're going to have to do something because we were kind of break, even so we looked at our student loans, and we said man, the interest on those things high. So we're like, well, let's tackle are shoot loans and make sure those are done before our sun comes along. And then when we got that done. It was actually actually seemed a lot easier than we thought it was and then we decided to tackle the house because what happened is once we knocked off the student loans, and then our son was born. Then of course, you've got those bills. So you knock out those bills who are sitting there. About fifty thousand savings going. Oh my gosh. We were just killing it. And so we said, I think we can do this house. I think this out. So that's fun. That's fun. So how'd you get connected us? Well, whenever I get into something. I go full into it. I go gazelle intent. So for me. I was trying to look, okay. Is this weird is worth it. Like, should I pay off the house all the stuff? So of course, I start YouTube being and all this stuff and fell upon you. Go minutes guy has the same talent as I do. So I started reading watching your conferences all that stuff. I just started going at it. And a lot of people tell you like L. Well, everybody has a house payment. I don't think it's weird. And then well, he's always been a saver. And I've always saved not as much as he does. But he's really good at it. And it's just he does a lot of research. So and you've helped us a lot with a lot of the knowing how to switch insurance companies and just different things like knowing that's a change is okay. Very good. Very cool. So you've studied this in depth, and you've done it this whole idea of this. You're twenty eight years old. You have a paid for house. This is just incredible. So what's the secret tell people what you gotta do if they come to you, and they go what do you do? You guys are weird. We wanna be weird. Like, you wanna be weird like you when I reflected over everything, I started think there are three kinds of things for me. And one of that is because they'll intense like for me, I could have one hundred cheetahs around the and I'm still getting out of there. I'm finding away. And that's how intentional about perseverance. And I all my eighth graders. All the time. I say you gotta persevere we had hiccups along the road. You know, we had our washing machine. Go out transmission, go out and. Yeah. And you just keep marching forward. You know, it's going to pay off. And then also the communication if you're working with the spouse that communication is really good helps being on that same page and everything like that. You know changes. Okay. Like, it's okay. To change your grocery store. Change your insurance or change your phone company that we did too. You know, it's okay to do all those different changes. And don't be afraid to be embarrassed or be different. Because I mean, there's so many people are like, oh, we're going to go out to eat wanna come with us. Well, no, I can't right now, you know, no one will show later day where I want. Maybe not. Oh, you guys very well done. Yeah. I had a friend of mine those building wealth years ago, and he said I want to get enough money that I can learn to read the menu from left to right. Most people start by looking at the price. And then they figure out what they want. Did he figure out what I want because it doesn't matter what it costs because I've got enough, you know? And that's that's an interesting place to be emotionally very well done who were your biggest cheerleaders telling you can do it. Because there's all those people saying it's weird. You can't do it told you could do it. I don't know. I think for us. I mean, you have little family kinda talk to them. They kind of give you a little bit of like encouragement tips to think but just for us. We really just wanted to knock it out. I think we just saw hey, we could give ourselves our own pay raise by doing this. And for me too. I think one of my biggest goals is once we had all of our we said before second kid, you know, why don't we just try to do this? So that way once our kids are old enough. They don't remember all this week and go have fun. We can go on vacation. That's pretty much. What we've done this spring break when you want. Yeah. Exam house prime I know so. Maybe he'll forget about all the salads sandwiches. Oh, he already has that was that was last. So last week. So how old is Oliver. He will be three in August. Okay. You want him in this shot when you're doing this debt free scream. So very cool three years old, and the only memory he'll ever have is of a completely debt free family. Absolutely amazing way to go you guys. We're proud of you. We've got a copy of Chris Hogan's everyday millionaires book for you. That is the next chapter in your story for sure you on your way to that. You guys are incredible. So well done we're proud of you, very proud of you, Timothy and Tessa and Oliver from the Atlanta, Georgia area hundred and fifteen thousand paid off in two years and ten months twenty eight years old. Count it down. Let's hear a debt free scream ready. Three two one. That is. So you're twenty eight years all you got paid for house. You got no dead of any kind, and you know, how to handle money and you're working together. You know, how wealthy you're gonna pay. Absolutely incredible. Absolutely incredible. Fabulous. So please don't tell me that the millennial generation's bunch of dufuses. And that they all think socialism is awesome. They aren't they don't. Those people out there are. The kind of people that determine their own destiny. They don't wait on the government to fix their destiny. These are the kind of people that take the bull by the horns, they poke the bear. They have a paid for house or twenty eight years old just shut up. I love it. So awful, absolutely beautiful, man. Wow. What rockstars? This is the Dave Ramsey show. Our scripture today Philippians four twelve on know what it is to be in need. And I know what it is to have flinty. I've learned the secret of being content in any and every situation whether well-fed or hungry whether living in plenty or in want. Charles Spurgeon said it this way, a man's contentment is in his mind. Not in the extent of his possessions. Alexander the great with all the world is fi cried for another world to conquer. Yes. He did ritual cruises contentment journal is a three month walk through contentment. One day each day, the first thirty days are spent on gratitude the next thirty days on you military, which leads you into the last thirty days on contentment. It's on sale now. Rachel is going to be walking you guys through it on Instagram beginning in the middle of the month, beginning April fifteenth, and the thing is booming. It I just gotta shows report on it. It's gums zoom zoom. I mean it went through the roof. Absolutely amazing. Thank you. It's number one fifty or something on Amazon right now. It's gone crazy. And it's on sale here, of course, at Rachel Cruze dot com or daveramsey dot com, and the number of you that are wanting to journal and to keep your thoughts and build these muscles. Because if you build the gratitude muscle the muscle. The contentment muscle will follow and very few people have a good life with money until they learn to be content. Contentment is not a lack of it's not apathy. It's not a lack of ambition has nothing to do with. It's not even on the same spectrum content. Does not mean lazy contentment does not mean. Lethargic? It does not mean any of those things. It's just your view. It's just your view of life LaTasha is with us in Washington. DC Isla tasha. Welcome to the Dave Ramsey show. David. Thank you taking my call. Sure. What's up calling because my mother is about seven years from retiring, she's on disability, and she has worked for WalMart for about ten years in that time crude a little less than thousand in their four one K. And so, of course, we took that out in, you know, manage now, and I'm trying to figure out another way to say for her for retirement Shushi working. No, she's not she's on disability. She's really retired. He's on disability. Yes. And so what what's your income? They actual not which is a little over a thousand a month. Okay. So is she able to exist on thousand dollars a month? She is where she is right now. Axiom. Lieutenant with Missy as liberal, but to live on that in that where she lives at right now, she has a tiny listing of non thousand dollars that we've rolled up, right? Is there any other money anywhere? No, okay. That's it. What's the what is the nature of her disability? She has a epilepsy. And also whenever she was younger. There was a medication that she was taking for epilepsy. Now, no longer being offered calls some issues with her Sarah Bill, which causes beats and balance issues. So so how old? She's fifty five. Okay. Well, if I'm her. Gonna be asking myself, given these limitations that I have with sh week and so forth. What am I able to do? Because it wouldn't the thousand dollars a month of fairly low bar beat. Right. And so. You know, I read a book years ago jobs, you can get with the so-called disability. And in other words, it was written by guy who's blind who'd lost his sight, and he'd gone on to make a hundred thousand dollars a year doing whatever I don't probably ride in that book. No. But, but, but, you know, the the the idea being that, you know, you can eat you can fold your hands and say from fifty five to eighty five I'm going to try to make it all those dollars a month. And that that you know, you couldn't blame on doing that. But, but you know, then the other questioning ask yourself is with the limitations, and these are legitimate, limitations. I mean, she's she's got legitimate issues with the limitations. What can I do to earn more money because there's only one way to have money to say, even that's earn more, right? Because a month the fact that she's making it on that's pretty impressive. Yeah. We have her in some different type of housing to have what that ends though, keep our expenses down. I'm sort of a Ford before the disability. Keep the end Bob almost five years to get ability. So had supported her the entire time. So, thankfully, as income base. And so it. How's her health? It's okay. It's okay. You know, we we definitely work on things to help the memory and things like that to keep everything going. She other came for you know, how balancing things of that nature, and she's okay? Did she ever make anything with her hands? Your member her being crafty or? Fill a long time ago. Dave, she sewing 'cause used to work in one of those sewing factories. Whenever is it. A long time. I wonder if I wonder if you buy a sewing machine, and she starts to make some item that's a little different and unusual in a good way that someone on Oetzi or EBay decided was the hottest thing since sliced bread. And let her sit. And so some of these things it wouldn't take many of them to get to another thousand dollars. And it would give her something to do. And she she would feel more productive than watching Oprah reruns. You know, I don't know. I'm not trying to put her to work. I'm just trying to put her to work for for her just for two reasons. One is it gives her something to do and two is the dignity of it is what I mean by something to do. And then, you know, anything we can do to get her income up. If we another thousand dollars a month, we doubled her income, you know, that's pretty substantial and do some some side-hustle stuff. And it's something where she's not working for the man so to speak, and so she's not going punch a clock. And so she's having a bad day with her balance or a bad day, you know, or something then don't do it that day, you know? But then, you know, but then some day she's got more energy than other than go. Do something with it. That's what I would want to do if I were in her shoes. I'm just making something up there. But you know, if she's got balance issues, and it had to be kind of a self employed thing that kind of thing and and. If it's something done with your hands. It's not an intellectual exercise where her memory is struggling and that kind of thing where she's not. You know, she doesn't have to remember some numbers or something from four days ago. You know, we should probably don't want to accounting from home. You know that kind of thing that's what I'm talking about. So I'm going to send you a copy of Christie rights book business boutique, you look through that. And check out Christie's materials and see if it inspires you for something you could help her do, and you know to just just to add a little bit of a supplement to this because she's very young. She's very young and thousand dollars a month for this many years a long long long long long long time. So good question. Hang on Kelly's going to pick up. We'll get your copy of business boutique book, and hopefully that'll help you get through this open phones at triple eight eight to five five two two five Elizabeth's Facebook. I'm not gonna get to that. That ring dinghy means the show's over today this hour's over thanks to James Childs, our producer. Reaser and Kelly Daniel is our associate producer. Appreciate you. Joining us here on the Dave Ramsey show gods and grandma's ways of handling money. We'll be back with you before you know it. In the meantime, remember there is ultimately only one way to financial peace, and that's the world daily with the friendship. Peace Christ Jesus. Hey, it's Kelly associate producer info screener for the Dave Ramsey show. If you'd like to be your debt free scream live on the show. Make sure you Bizet daveramsey dot com slash show, it registered we would love for you to cut it Nashville day your story. Money isn't the only thing we talk about around here. Get life changing it by on your career for my good friend and career expert in Kalman. Oh my Ken Coleman show. Seventy percent of Americans are going to work every Monday, and they don't want to be there. But for a myriad of reasons, they feel they have to be there that is our crusade. Subscribe to the Ken Coleman show wherever you listen to podcasts. Hey, it's James producer of the Dave Ramsey show. 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Monitor Show 07:00 07-29-2020 07:00

Bloomberg Radio New York - Recording Feed

01:42 min | 4 months ago

Monitor Show 07:00 07-29-2020 07:00

"The World Twenty four hours a day. At Berg, dot com on the Bloomberg business APP and Bloomberg quick tape. This is Bloomberg radio. Left off the real problem. Trap can you will see some investors begin to take some chips off the table? You're already seeing it at sutures data and embrace a little bit more of a cyclical. Hope suddenly a policymakers. This time round recognize fiscal has to do more of the heavy lifting in terms of supporting the recovery. This is Bloomberg. Surveillance with Tom Keene, Jonathan, Ferrell and Lisa Abramowicz for New, York City from audience worldwide, good. Morning, good morning. This is Bloomberg surveillance live on Bloomberg TV and radio alongside Tom Kean and Lee gravitons Jonathan. Farrow Tom Kaine the big three events in Washington DC. The Fed reserve decides the fiscal talks continue and the attack Harry's commands at midday to. To o'clock eastern time, there's no question about it Jonah where I think pieces it altogether as the American Labor, economy? Ellen Zander was on in the last hour with Morgan Stanley and she minced no words about it. There's gotta be an improvement in the Labor economy and right now that's really iffy for the Federal Reserve tell him. It's the shift from stabilization to accommodation and whether they formalize that and for what God is it to early Tom Everyone I've spoken to about this today is To announce forward, guidance. Totally agree that it's just too. There's too much noise going on central bankers hate noise L. brought. US was just on a giant of the Richmond Fed over the years and he made very clear steady as they go is what we will hear from chairman, Paul? leath rabbits what an agenda.

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Your Growth is Your Responsibility  Alex Judd

The Impact of Leadership

35:39 min | 3 months ago

Your Growth is Your Responsibility Alex Judd

"What would you say about a person who starts their own business during a global pandemic? Before you answer that I've got a couple of details that might help in your assessment of this person. So the company that they're leaving is growing the job that they have is exciting. The compensation reflects well the worth of the work that they're producing and they love and respect their coworkers. What in the world would cause someone to make that kind of leap. Welcome to the impact leadership podcast believe that no one drifts into excellence. I'm your host Steve Kerr and I'm betting that your answers and feeling about the situation will change by the end of the interview. It was a pleasure to speak with Alex. Is, the founder of half for growth not only because I love what this guy stands for and what he's all about but also I was just listening to him host the entreleadership podcast. The other day was specifically really fun for me on the air. So to speak in off the air to to pick his brain on how he did what he did and to get some it tips and tricks from him so that I can get better when I do. Before I broke out too much on this. Let's just get into it about why Alex Judd left one of the best workplaces in America. I'm currently the founder of a business called path for growth that really helps leaders and teams to find vision and create a plan for executing on the things that matter most and prior to this business I actually worked at Dave Ramsey's company. Many of you are probably familiar with Dave Ramsey, and he had a brand called entreleadership that's now about seventy person team and I got to work. There as coach for small business owners around the country and also got to serve as the host of the entree leadership podcast man I'm so excited about this conversation today I know you were talking to me just a little bit about before about everything that we're going to be discussing I'm just so pumped because we're going to dive into some topics, I just get. So amped about Steve. Well, let's let's do it. Let's zoom in a little bit and before we get to the current state of where you're at I. Think it would help people to kind of zoom in on that last five years of time you know at Ramsey and entreleadership and helpless know what it's like inside those walls because some of us from the outside it might think that it's perfect and you got it all together or or that it's Super Superintendent and there's never downtime. So zoom in. On that last five years at Randy, what your experience was like and what it's like inside those walls. So for those of you that aren't familiar with Dave Ramsey, he is currently the host of the third largest talk radio show in the country I think they're now averaging about sixteen million listeners a week, and what's what's really remarkable is he started that thirty years ago at a card table in his living room all by himself and he is built the business with a really really. Clear sense of purpose and mission with a set of values that he sticks to relentlessly and with zero debt, and so he's grown his business to what is now a nine hundred and fifty person organization two, hundred, fifty dollar top on revenue, and they've got the plan in place to be a billion dollar organization. It is just unreal and it's been named the top place to work in Nashville for eleven years now and they just got named the best place to work in America by. By the inkling that inputs out every year and what's so crazy I had read about all this in entreleadership and had read about it in the news articles and had listened to the entree leadership podcast for years and I had heard all of this pr about how it's a great place to work the culture that is unlike anything on the planet and just the level of leadership and how fast it's growing and I just thought to myself before I started working there I was like well. There's no way it's that good. But if it's half as good I'll be happy is what I thought and I swear I got there for years ago. And it was better than what I had heard about without a shadow of a doubt. Dave is the strongest leader I've ever met and it's not even close. I mean that that guy is just absolutely remarkable and what's so cool is the person that people here on the radio every single day for three hours talking to people and coaching them on their personal finances or the the guy that they see on stage in front of thousands of people at Smart Conference or entreleadership summit. That's the guy that he is at home. That's the guy that he is in the marketing meeting. That's the guy that he is at Monday morning staff me mess just who he is and I think the caliber of leadership is always measured by the caliber of people you surround yourself with, and that's what Dave has done at Ramsey. Solutions that's I think one of the. Things that I'm most grateful for in addition to the work that we got to do is the people we got to do with He. He just has this incredible capacity for surrounding himself with really really smart people and allowing them to run in their lane and so man, I like it was just an absolute blast I feel like I got an Mba over the course of four years that I can actually use an I got paid to do it. It's like a how on earth that I look out like this, but it was just an outrageous experience. So now some might say that you're crazy for leaving on established organization launching a business during a pandemic I of course, wouldn't because we're friends now? St By say I'm crazy. So maybe you're the crazy one that say. Maybe. Maybe zozo hypothetically, if somebody was listening in like wait, you just described one of the best workplaces in the. That's growing and you're the host of this uber successful podcast. You know could you just now take us there walk us through the process you went through to make the decision of leaving what ultimately caused you to to make the leap. It's pretty it's pretty crazy. So I still live down the road from the Ramsey building and drive by it occasionally, and I just realized they just built a seventy million dollar building with cash and they're working on the second one right now. Meanwhile I'm working from my living room, right And I rent I don't even own the living room I read it. and. I just had this realization. It was like holy cow. I just left a brand new Bentley for a nineteen eighty used for pickup truck that sometimes works. And I'll tell you right off the bat right now they're it's exactly what I'm supposed to be doing. But I I told the VP of entreleadership leadership Sarah Slow and she's just a remarkable leader as well and she's she's incredible friend of mine but. Probably, about a week or so before my last day, and this is what was so cool as we walked through this process together and it was not like I had to make this decision in isolation we I mean they were with me every step of the way so that like that was just so unbelievably helpful and life giving for making such a hard decision is to be in that decision and walking through that decision with leaders and mentors that really trusted and one of the things that I told her about a week before my last day as I said, Sarah this decision would just be so much easier. If everything was moving in the wrong direction I just hated everyone. Back on it and. And I was like, but that's just not the case like in I mean I, I love everyone there and the organization and is like it has already one in massive ways. I legitimately believed because I've been there for the past four years. They're about to blow the lid off this thing in the entree leadership capacity and the financial piece capacity and smart dollar what they do at corporate wellness. It's insane I mean there it's just it's going bonkers and so to leave that it was an outrageously hard decision but one of the things. That I started to become more and more aware of as my path at Ramsey started to become more clear. One of the things that I've known for a long time. Now that my vision for my career is to communicate, teach right lead and work with people and make a living doing it, and I've known that for a really really long time and what's crazy is those doors were starting to open at Ramsey and really really big ways and it was just an incredible and that path started become more clear starting to become more exposed. and. The further we would walk down that path together. The more I just started to get this entrepreneurial rich and the more I started to reflect on the path that war on the fact that. Truly, I. Mean Most of my life and certainly all of my career I've been surrounded by the topic of Leadership Development and entrepreneurship and I have been obsessed with those things and not because I had some intentional plan is just because that's where my mind naturally goes whenever I'm on a treadmill whenever I'm in the shower on of running the truck. That's what I'm thinking about leadership development and entrepreneurship, and I just got to this point where I said man, this is a wonderful organization. This is if I was gonNA work anywhere for anyone this. is where I would want to work but I think that if I didn't go try to build my own business from the ground up I think I would spend my entire life wondering what would have happened if I had and it just became really clear to me that that was the case and the moment I knew that I knew that I knew that I knew that I really wanted to be an entrepreneur I felt like the right thing to do is to let them know and for us to walk through the steps of making that transition. So I I did see I. don't see all of the posts that you put on Lincoln but I did see there was a a response that you had to comment You know thanks as someone I imagine a Dave saying got about five years in you've got five minutes clean out your desk and I loved you response absolutely not you So, as you're talking about walking through the process now on the podcast, I also saw a couple of weeks ago US saying being very gracious about the leadership team they're not turning their back on you but embracing the decision that you're making. So I'm putting that out there as encouragement to all of us who are in whether it is a By title or simply by influence when people are leaving the organization especially for good reasons. For to chase their passion there's something to be learned here and it sounded like it sounds like now the Dave really was the example and everybody else fell in line and and the heart of the organization came through loud and clear as you were making that that change. Yeah and and what's so cool is it's just in alignment with everything that the organization has done for the past four years and so I I can like I cannot tell you it's just it's so sad to me. That, there are organizations out there and there are people out there that because the employment situation changes. The friendship also changes and and both sides of the story have responsibility for that happening right? Sometimes, it's the employee's fault and and they really screw up departing well, departing well is really really hard to do and it's never done accidentally it's always done intentionally I had I had a mentor that told me Alex you need to go home and you need to list every single bullet point that of what? Must be true for you to depart exceptionally well, and you don't even think about leaving until you're able to check off that list and it has to I. Mean you have to be super detail oriented Youth Abi Superintendent and like you said, the guard your heart but then on the other side to it's a reflection of the organization and and it's the organizations heart and that's why it's so crucial for organizations to operate from a place of purpose and values that dictate this is why we exist and. This is what we stand for regardless of the situation because in this transition I mean there were a lot of uncomfortable conversations. There were a lot of awkward conversations. There were a lot of really tough decisions but what was so cool is that there was never lack of clarity around why the organization existed or what the organization stood for, and because I trusted that and because they knew that man, we were able to walk through all of those tough waters together instead of become divided in the process. So good and you say something in there a couple different times about intentionally and it all sounds like you have to work as hard to get the job as you do to leave with With integrity and with excellence and. Intentionally getting the job and unintentionally leaving on good terms it's not going to just accidentally happen I. Don't believe that people just become overnight successes Obviously we're hearing your story and you did not just wake up one day and think I think I'm GonNa leave this Bentley for you know my my Ford that starts sometimes. So so since nobody drifts into excellence I, love free to take this wherever you'd like. But let's talk about routines in practical stuff like that. How do you view routines and prioritization when I hear that word routines? My mind automatically goes to to the word habits and I really I just. Preached. A message on this on Sunday where. We are the product of the things that we do routinely repeatedly and regularly. The things that you do daily create the person and the leader that you become permanently I absolutely believe that, and so sometimes all work with people and I'll be coaching leaders and things like that, and they'll say, why just need I just need more routine I need more discipline I need to I need to be more focused on my rhythms and my habits and I need to establish some routine is essentially what they're saying and I think Y I think the intent behind that statement is correct. I, think it's completely wrong. Because the issue is not that they don't have routines. The issue is that they have the wrong routines recognized that whenever you go home after work and you eat junk food and turn on Netflix for three hours that's not an absence of routine. You've got a really great routine and you're and you're disciplined about sticking to it is just not producing the results that you want, and so I think what's so crucial that we need to recognize is that our days are filled with habits period that is that is a given, and then the next thing we need to recognize that our habits are not neutral. Your habits are either taking you up to the person. To the leader to the business of the Organization of the team you WanNa be where they are taking you away from that but they are not neutral and so we would be really wise to say, okay what are the habits that are healthy life giving in sustainable and what are the habits that are toxic and unsustainable and take me away from the destination that I'm trying to reach, and then we need to replace the bad with the good. But again, it's exactly what you said that demands Ah. Level of intention -ality and awareness, and that's hard work Steve so What is what are some things that you won't compromise on I have five core values That really have made the decision for me about what I refuse to compromise on and I say them to myself as part of a manifesto I say every single morning whenever my eyes open. So this is this is part of your part of your morning routine. It's part of it's absolutely. Yeah. So every every morning I started doing this in twenty nineteen every morning whenever my my eyes open I say this manifesto and part of that manifesto is my core values which are I will relentlessly do the right thing I will take ground every day I will communicate and lead for God's purposes not my own I will honor respect authority and I will love intentionally inactivity. And those are those are my five values that if I'm doing something but does not fall in those five values that I have no business doing it, and then that's always the thing that I come back to that. It's like man if I feel like a little bit stressed or a little bit like man something's off a little bit scattered I felt this way this morning I was a little bit scattered internally a great benchmark for me to be able to return back to his okay. We'll. How are my actions my thoughts? My words, my beliefs aligning with my core values because it, there's a dissonance with those values. There's things that are refused to compromise on. Then then there's going to be dissonance in my entire life, and so I think it really that's the answer. Your question about what I refuse to compromise on is I'm not always perfect on it but to the best of my ability I'm always going to strive to exemplify and live out those five core values. How did you come to those five Like what what did you go through? To, in order to Draw out those five core values. That's a really good question. This is something that we work with people on in path for Growth I. Actually don't know win. I establish these I, WanNa say it was my freshman or sophomore year in college and I like one of the things that I recognize whenever I came into college is I realized that man there you have a lot of opportunities to make some really really bad decisions in college it's like I mean college is basically just a bad decision laboratory right let's try this and see how this works out. and. So I think I kind of had awareness around that and I and I I saw evidence of people that are really liked and respected that we're already screwing things up and literally I just became aware of that fast enough to realize. Oh, like I. I'm absolutely susceptible to that and I don't WanNa, be that and one of the things that I recognize coming into colleges I was like man if I allow myself to say, I'm GonNa make those decisions in the moment. There's no way that turns out. Well, Ryan because in the moment is, what's is is instant gratification in the moment is decisions based on my feelings and my emotions and not based on my logic in my principles in the moment is a very, very selfishly motivated and not selflessly motivated, and so I think I was aware of that and I said, okay, well, I better I better draw some lines in my life and establish some boundaries in my life where those decisions are already made and I think at first going to college. I just kind of established some stuff with regard to to alcohol with regard to sleeping around with regard. To drugs and things like that, and and ask those opportunities came as as those decisions had to be made. It was like it wasn't even our decision because they were already made I what stood for. And then fast forward I started I think to learn the idea that an. Effective executive. Anyone's read that Peter Drucker Book that that. Strong leaders make decisions at the highest possible conceptual level. And so. I could never articulated this at that time. But what I realized as I said, okay well, that whole no drinking thing like in making that decision that's actually worked out pretty well for me and so how do I get even further above that and say, okay, what is the principal here because I don't just WanNa. Just WanNa make the decision of not going to drink. What is the principal? Will the principal is I'm Gonna I'm going honor and respect authority, which means I honor respect the wall, and that's a core value of mine, which is I'm going to, and then another one is that I'm in a relentlessly do the right thing because I know integrity is important so. I think I became aware of the fact that there were these guiding principles that I already believed in and saw exemplified and other people, and then I think the biggest thing that I did is I sat down and I literally asked myself the question with a notebook that you just asked me I said, what are the things I am unwilling to compromise on? That when when I am operating at my absolute best I simplify these things and these are the things that man if I'm feeling scattered I can always return these five things and that if I get to the end of the day and I can legitimately look in the mirror and say I did these five things than than I will be able to call that day win and as you kind of walk through that process and walk through those questions and really take some time to be introspective and then also. Externally, get perspective from other people that know you really well I think it all becomes very, very clear. Most of us live with values. Most of us just don't take time to articulate them and use consistent language to save them so good effective. We'll have that in the show notes along with lots of other stuff. So if you if you haven't read that book I, have not some excited the to look it up and and and you you already given us a peek into your approach for coaching leaders and some of the goals path and growth by love to get more specific and I wanna ask you to give away all the secrets. Let's get into path for growth We've we've made the progression to this this time now of present day. So give us a peek into the approach of how you coach leaders of your goals for path of growth and where you see going, there's no secrets. It's all found in the Bible so. There's nothing. Yeah that's right Yeah. I one of the things that I've recognized over the course of my career and looking back at my life, and then also with regard to the leaders that I get to that I've gotten to work with especially over the past four years at Ramsey and on the entreleadership podcast is. I've come to recognize that there's a pattern that it is a powerful day when someone chooses to recognize the their growth is their responsibility. Like it is a powerful day when you Steve when i Alex when anyone that's listening this when we choose to decide that our growth is our responsibility because so often the trend in the routine right now is to say that Oh, I'm just not growing I'm just not being fed I'm just not being poured into. One year olds need someone to feed them. Right were theoretically we are adults so we should be able to feed ourselves, and so that means that our growth is our responsibility and when you make that decision will then then you take growth away from circumstance or for from your boss or or from your co workers and you say, I'm going to own my growth. My growth is my responsibility and that's a powerful day whenever you start with that decision because once you establish that decision, well, then you can start to take action and one of the things that I work with leaders on is. We, we work I on the big three questions, which is, why do we exist which is found in a personal mission statement? Where am I going which is found in a crystal clear vision and what do I stand for which is found in the core values like we just talked about, and then we can do the same thing for your business as well, and then we say, okay, if that's the overarching if those are the big decisions, the higher conceptual decisions that we need to make like Peter Drucker said, well, then what are the actions and the rhythms and the routines that we can? Consistently execute on over an extended period of time to make sure that those decisions become a reality and so path for growth is really designed around the fact that we're going to sit down with a person whether it's an in an intensive, which is like a a two to three day like roll up your sleeves, double. Dan and work really hard on this thing or it's a, it's a six month coaching track or a twelve month coaching track. We're going to sit down and we're going to say, okay what would it look like for you to be winning personally from a leadership perspective and? From a business perspective, six months from now or two days from now or twelve months from now, and then we work backwards from that and we say, okay, let's create a plan. Let's create a path for growth to take you from where you are today from here to there in December or this time next year or this time in two days, and then we get to December and we say, okay, this is what you said. You want him to accomplish. Let's go through the list and see if we have done. What we said we were going to do I'm getting fired up over here man. Seriously you're like, you're a personal trainer, that's just you can do this. Let's go. This is what we agreed upon. Well, I mean that's like it really is once we decide and get clear about what we want the the issue I think for leaders is not deciding between good and bad I mean the issue and we've all heard this before your issue is going to be deciding between good and best. And and like the measure of a leader's effectiveness is that they will be barraged by opportunities that they can't always attend to and the good leaders are the ones that become discerning about their ability to chase the right opportunities. So good. We've starting to close out our time together I. Would I would like to hear about people that you've spent time with along the way and their impact on you I think the one the one from an interview perspective that really stands out to me actually I think there's two. Number one is is been been zander. He's man, he's the conductor of the Boston Philharmonic orchestre. He's got one of the most watched Ted talks in the world right now. And and I was thinking to myself like OK conductor the. Boston Philharmonic Orchestra this'll be really cool I. I have a background in music and and I thought that that would be really really need to learn from him but I certainly didn't think it was going to be the highlight interview right I get to talk to some of the the most effective and most well known CEO's in the world I I, got to talk to some of the greatest thought leaders in the world and I was like Okay Ben Zander's. New is going to be a killer interview. I had no clue. How much I was GONNA learn but more than that? How much I was going to be emotionally affected by that interview? Really. His so his whole angle is the art of possibility and I kid you not might. My interview method is that I like to spend upwards of two weeks with the individual whether it's listening to their talks or watching sessions they've done or reading their book and I and I like to really immerse myself so that whenever I get to talk to them, it's like I've already spent a ton of time with them and it's just having a conversation about the time spent with them. And Kid You not over the two weeks that I studied bannon and spent time with Ben. I was a better person I became a better person over those two weeks because this guy I mean he is just tapped into the fact that when we live with an abundance mindset and we choose to not see just adversity but we choose to see possibility and we open our eyes to the fact that everything we face an opportunity to serve an invest in the lives of the people around us, and that is our highest calling leaders. manages changes everything and as I as I immersed myself in that I just I found myself getting better and it was just. Believe -able. I think the second one from an interview perspective would be Jaakko Willink. Are you familiar? Jaakko the man that guy? YEA It an extreme ownership is what everyone? Knows him by and an extreme ownership is a wonderful book. But like by design that book is very, it's very single-minded. Right is like we're going to talk about this topic of ownership. We're GONNA, do it from the perspective of a navy seal and we're getting her just hustle and grind and drive at Hustle and grind and driving and just pushed you really hard and when you listen to the audio book talks like this just. Guess and it's like Gosh I'll do whatever you. Blowing up all over the place to. Take. and. What's so cool is that in getting to know Jaakko. Like that book is very, very single single-minded, very very just directing focus that guy has so much substance and so much depth like I mean the if you've and a lot of this is in his newest book is Leadership Strategy and Tactics which I don't know if you've read that one but I mean Jaakko is just he's an incredible leader, he's obviously served our. Country beyond anything that I've ever done. But that guy he is just a remarkable human being and I mean his thoughtfulness and his level of care, and his is compassion for people and his drive to constantly be growing as leader I. Just I honestly like I was blown away by the level of depth that were in my conversations with him and the level of Internal investigation that he has clearly done to be able to do what everyone sees on the outside. That's that's refreshing to hear. I'm really excited to check out Ben Zander. I'm picturing I, can see his face because I've looked him up before I just didn't listen to the interview the Jaakko to hear that the three dimensional character versus just you know we're going to storm the castle kind of Guy That's that's refreshing to hear, and since I have you one of my favorite episodes the of interviews that you did was when you interviewed Stephen Press Field. And love that going and I picked up a war of our afterwards. And another very direct and and a practical book. If you're interested in those kinds of things, a war of art, not art of war of art, the Audio version is very, very intriguing. are very interesting but. So closing it out I've got two two more questions are for you. So where would you direct from here to keep engaging with you? The website is path for growth dot com, and really that's all centered around the fact that we believe leaders, teams and individuals thrive whenever they have a path for inward outward and upward growth, and so you can go there and then we send out free content if you just put in. Your email address the pop up will pop ups. If you WANNA put in your email there to be on that list, I send out content pretty regularly. So We'd love to have you on their path for dot com, and then they can connect with me personally at Judd on the run is where I'm at on Instagram and twitter sends a little bit like a convict I'm actually just a runner I'm not on the road. From anything and then I love connecting with folks on link dinner as well as good. So closing it out, what do you want to leave people with Alex? I think it's a little bit like what we discussed earlier that we need to all recognize that it's a powerful day when we affirm with our thoughts and exemplify in our actions that are growth is our responsibility and so if you are at a stage right now where you feel stuck or were you feel off kilter where you feel like your not growing or were you feel like you're not moving forward the first thing you need to do is decide to grow. And then once you decide that you are going to grow ask yourself a really simple question where do I want to be in six months that I'm not today an out of that question? Not Not not what am I going to do over the course of the next six months yet but where do I want to be more than that? Who Do I want to be? Who is the type of person? Who is the type of leader? What is the type of? Business that you want to be in six months that you are not today and then out of your answer to that question start drafting the actions that will take you from where you are today to where you want to be six months from now because here's the deal. We all need a leadership and leadership demands that we all take absolute responsibility for our growth and it is a powerful powerful day when you take responsibility and you say, my growth is my responsibility. That is fantastic. Oh, man, let's go. Out. Awesome. Thank so much for taking time I'm excited to see where paths ends up where you lead people and excited to have you hopefully we we can schedule a time in the future for you to come back on. I love it game on Steve Such a fan of yours. You're a very gifted interviewer. I'm such a fan of Patrick's y'all's organizations absolutely world class and thanks so much for having me on today. Take away an action item I take away. It didn't even happen during the interview it actually came to me after we stopped recording saw alyx asked me to do him a favor and send him one piece of critical feedback. Course I told him I would do that and then it hits me. People that want to grow take responsibility for their growth. Alex Judd. Is the. Real deal. Action Item. I need to identify one area that I'm hoping to see growth in and stop hoping. Take responsibility, make a plan and take action. Mine you all do the same and if you don't have a coach in your life, even if you do have a mentor and you're looking for someone else to run alongside you and and be that personal trainer hit up half for growth dot com, and shoot shoot. Alex. message maybe sign up for the emails that he shoots out. It's good stuff follow the guy on social media as well. You'll be encouraged. If you've enjoyed this conversation I, ask that you go to technology dot com slash podcast. 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