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CORRUPTION 8 - Hockey's Hall of Shame

Commons

30:04 min | 2 years ago

CORRUPTION 8 - Hockey's Hall of Shame

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We've a problem in this country disease, a wrought an addiction that's eating up from the inside. It turns parents against children and children against their parents. And everyday hard working people become a Nigel beasts willing to violently attack their fellow citizens until their bloody and bruised and like any addiction, those deepest in its thrall will spend almost every dime. They have to get their fix. We can't even acknowledge that. It's a problem. Instead, we venerate the pushers and dealers that are sending us further down this dark spiral and my fellow Canadians. I'm here to tell you that it's not getting better. It's getting worse. We are a sick country. And what's playing us? Is hot. Right now. I'm sure you're thinking that look we're not hurting anyone we only indulge in the weekends. We could stop anytime, but take this into consideration not too long ago. Some hockey parents spoke anonymously to the national post about what they've witnessed one person described a perfectly pleasant nurse from would be on -tario who got into multiple fistfights at her son's games. Another was offered a seven thousand five hundred dollar bribe by coach to try to convince his eight-year-old to switch teams. Then there's the millionaire dad who'd spent forty thousand dollars just so his son could get a spot on the team. He wanted. And you think that's going over the top. Let's take the case of Zach Hyman show the puck to Connor Brown. Now it's race. Flying towards the Pepsi. These. Today. I'm in place for the Toronto Maple Leafs. As Hyman was growing up. His father a wealthy real estate mogul started buying children's hockey teams around Toronto which incidentally, his sons would play for he kept on buying and buying until by the mid two thousands. He owned ninety different teams. And as a sons got older he bought a junior level team, which again, they also played for and in twenty ten months before Zach was coming up in the NFL draft his father purchased a hockey scouting company that ended up ranking his son significantly higher than the NHL central scouting bureau. Now, Zac did make his way to the NHL and he's proven himself as a player, but the Hyman saga shows us the lengths that will go to satisfy our hockey addiction and like every other addiction. This one is built off of lie. Is that we tell to ourselves. We're told that hockey is what brings us together as a country, cutting across class lines and language divides. But the truth is hockey is big business together the thirty one teams in the NHL or worth around twenty seven billion dollars and in Canada. It's still the closest thing we have to a civic religion. Just like real religions it's been complicit in all manner of sins. There's Alan Eagleson the first head of the NFL players association. Bloom basil hundreds of thousands of dollars from the game concussions from headshots and fighting have caused a men's damage to young players old Troll's alike. And maybe worst of all we voted Don cherry one of the ten greatest comedians in history. He beat out Alexander Graham Bell. But it's when you look away from the NHL the things start to look really junior hockey which trained so much of that age L towered is built on a system of fickle promises and on Cade leap, children and teenagers are giving hundreds of hours in their sweat, blood and tears to throw profit companies just to chase a dream teams claim they can't pay teenagers minimum wage while making millions of dollars with little to no oversight. But that whole system maybe on the verge of collapse. Marshy man and from Canada land. This is Commons. This episode of Commons is brought to you by end any Canada's leading online sleep brand. Now, I'm a lucky guy after a hard day of podcasting. 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My name's Scott Wheeler, and I may national prospects writer in Toronto police reporter for the athletes, which is a startup that you should consider subscribing to for a very low rate. The C H L is actually composed of three different parts the western Hockey League the on -tario Hockey League and the Quebec major junior Hockey League and together there are sixty four profit teams that play against each other in those leagues if you live in a big city with an an shell franchise. You might not have heard of the local h l team, but a lot of these teams the clone rockets the Halifax moose heads the Windsor. Spitfires are the biggest sports draw around. And the annual memorial Cup championship always gets national attention. They provide the biggest sporting events of the year. They're there the night out on the town in a lot of these places. And so there's definitely an entrenchment there that runs pretty deep and really has run deep for almost one hundred years if you're player for one of these teams you quickly become a celebrity in whatever city you're in. But it comes with a catch. These players are paid less than a dollar an hour. Most of the players in the or between sixteen and twenty and the league doesn't treat them as workers. Instead it claims that these are amateur student athletes, but h l teams aren't colleges they're for profit companies in a competitive sports league, certainly the argument to be made as that high school teams don't sell out arenas of eight thousand people players get a small stipend most ghetto at sixty dollars a week and since players make it signed two teams far. From home families will build them wherever they have to go. But they are not paid. There's no income that's coming in. They aren't being paid by the hour that they're at the rain for lot of players. This isn't actually much of a problem. The hockey is a sport where predominantly all of the players who played junior hockey come from money. And so the financial concerns aren't what they are for your average Canadian in terms of the kind of player in the kind of demographic that ends up headed AAA hockey level, and has the the money, and and sort of the class to be able to play in those kinds of leagues a lot of those kids they enjoy the lifestyle they enjoy going to these cities. They're big deal in a lot of these cities. But there's a significant minority who suffer. I have spoken to players who had horrible billet situations didn't have enough money to get by didn't come from money. One such player had a very bad situation. They took the one hundred fifty dollars a week that they received from team they spent it on alcohol. They didn't take care. Of him. They didn't provide for him. They didn't make him meals. Huge income come for money. He had to go to subway for dinner and couldn't even afford to get us up at subway kind of thing. It's certainly a minority. But there are certainly players out there who have this option presented to them where at fifteen sixteen years old. They're offered to play in the cello. And it's extremely hard to say no to that at that age. They're focused on hockey and little else than there are players who get to the end of their career at nineteen twenty who have no money and don't really didn't really get the high school education or the grades that they wanted for the kids who come from money. It's a great lifestyle, and they love it. But there is a certainly a minority that struggles with it. So how does the league justify not paying its players scholarships? C H O scholarship program is easily one of the most flexible and and financially rewarding North America for every season a player plays in the Canadian Hockey League. He's entitled to a minimum of tuition books and compulsory funds. For a lot of players. The program doesn't turn out to be what they expected, Alan Walsh. And NHL agent has said that the C H L tries to limit who can make use of this money quote. The Chr dirty little secret is that they don't want players using these packages. He said if you wait longer than eighteen months the scholarships cancelled if you play even one professional game cancelled if you quit the team mid-season cancelled and up until a few years ago, if you're a European player, you weren't entitled to any scholarship money whatsoever. All of this hinges on a player graduating high school on time, which frankly, many students don't the Chr publicly claims that they can't afford to pay players and provide them scholarships their whole stick whenever wage comes up is that we wouldn't be able to afford the packages for her schooling. And that's the basically the crooks of their argument. They're using that as leverage to sort of. Old their current players hostage to say, hey, if you want back wages for what you've haven't been paid on a minimum wage kind of basis, we're not going to be able to pay for your education. And you're gonna be out whatever it ends up being in terms of your education, the C H own figures claim that teams made a total of one hundred thirty five million dollars in revenue. Documents obtained by comments show that the OEM chill whol spent less than three million dollars in the twenty fifteen twenty sixteen season on scholarships. For the last few years a class action lawsuit by former players against the jail has been making its way through the courts, it contends that the players are actually workers not amateurs and that the teams are profiting off of them. The players are asking for minimum wage. One of those former players is Jeremy Gottesman who used to be a top prospect. He submitted affidavit in support of the suit. He gives insight into what it can be like if you're one of those players who didn't have good experience in the leak. We weren't actually able to reach Godsman, but we got somebody to read parts of his affidavit. I played in the OH L for three seasons. I for the reactors. And then for the Peterborough Pete's in my first year with the otters about nine players were still in high school few players took their studies seriously, for example, my teammate, Andrew yoga n- never completed high school despite playing in the shell for four seasons. Other players squeaked by because teachers gave them relaxed deadlines. Great at the more easily one teacher admitted to me that migrate had been bumped up from a B to an A because I was a hockey player that deserves special treatment. I did not write one examined. My first semester grade twelve which was unheard of at home. I was seldom assign homework, my largest assignment, a great eleven came from my English class where I was asked to fifty things I wish to accomplish in life. I completed this in one sitting. On January tenth twenty eleven. I was at school and call to the principal's office. The assistant general manager was waiting for me instructed me to immediately return to the arena to sign the trade paperwork before the trade deadline later that day Iran's my girlfriend's classroom for a hasty. Farewell was then driven to the arena. There was no conversation about whether I wish to move to Peterborough. I signed the paperwork without my parents are agent presence, and was then sent home to pack. My belongings. My parents to Peterborough the following day. By this time. I'd slipped into a depression began isolating myself due to injuries. There's a common. Sane among veteran players when talking to the new rookies you're smiling now, but you won't be smiling by Christmas. The fulltime sacrifice is not just about daily workouts, practices and demanding travel commitments. It also include moving away from home at age sixteen leaving behind your family, your friends, your high school your hometown and everything you've ever known by the end of my career. It's the same many injuries that continue to trouble me. I've developed tunnel vision in crowds, I've been diagnosed with general anxiety disorder post traumatic stress disorder panic disorder obsessive compulsive disorder attention deficient, hyperactive disorder and claustrophobia. I struggle with things ID and depression, all the time. I support this class action lawsuit because I believe players should be compensated for their hard work for their sacrifices and for the risks. They take. Tell you Brian tell you one thing right now. And as I said Saturday night, there is no way junior teams can survive if this suit goes through if you can believe it these these young guys want they pay you magic vacation pay. I mean, that's ridiculous. They want back pay. I think has up to one hundred eighty million dollars. No way, a junior clubs can survive. If you look around. I watched the games all the time. No way. You look at the cross most of them did it because they love the game either break, even or they lose money and the Canadian Hockey League will I don't know how deliver survive with this that goes through these guys, and I have to say at this is my opinion. I have an opinion these guys should be ashamed of themselves. It will be the end of junior hockey as we know it while defending the class action lawsuit, the Canadian Hockey League has made lots of legal arguments. But why the players shouldn't be paid? But their most important public argument is much more simple. You heard Don cherry say just a minute ago. The teams would go broke the can't afford it. Here's David branch league's Commissioner. Two thirds of our teams actually break even or lose money. So it's it is a fine fine line. And that was what we were hoping that people might come to see is that we talk proud. We do everything to the best possible extent. In terms of what we provide the players currently environment. They're in coaching receive. But you know, what it isn't about making money. It's just about doing the right thing. And our owners respect that they buy into it. We're not gonna cry poor. We're not going to threaten. But it's clear that we cannot afford to continue to operate the way we do. And there are certainly teams that struggled. That's a fact there are teams across the week. The sixty teams that lose money every single year net struggle to get by that may have to relocate whether or not minimum wages instituted. But those financial statements don't quite seem to add up. It showed a league, that's limping along with few teams making any significant profits. But those statements don't quite add up. Let's take the whol in the eight hundred fifty players are in those two leagues together. They claim to make around one hundred thirty six million in revenue in twenty fifteen. Ken Campbell, a senior writer at the hockey news as to pertinent question. Call them, quote, what business in any part of the real world will be able to claim revenues of more than one hundred and thirty six million dollars. Then try to convince people that it couldn't afford to pay eight hundred fifty of its employees minimum wage C, H L revenues have been rising over the years. The names and likenesses of H L players are included in EA's NHL video game franchise, but not only do the players not get paid for that. If they actually wanna play the game, they've gotta pay full price. And then there's broadcasting sports net. Now broadcast their games regularly. That is great for the league in a lot of ways. But it also puts these players on TV, and when you're on TV someone's making money off of you. And at that point. There's also an easy argument to be made that you're not a student athlete anymore. But even as revenues rise see h l expense. Is seem to rise in tandem. We certainly learned that the sort of profit margins, but even those are a little bit murky. There are teams that claimed upwards of a million dollars losses every year. The berry colts for example, road off three and a half million in profits to their parent company for the operation of the team, which was basically a way of them disguising what they're making in their parent company's financial statements. There are certainly some murky things happening. Some of these teams tried to disclose or disguise if you will as much as they can in terms of hiding their their revenue, and and sort of over exaggerating their losses to appear less profitable than they are. Most teams won't say how much executives managers are making. But we do know that former president of the aqua- generals made a hundred fifty thousand dollars in the first year of job. And according to TSN player agents say that the average coaches salary is around two hundred. Thousand dollars the salaries of just those two people would be more than enough to pay minimum wage to a full team of players. And we've no idea what some of these teams are counting as expenses because of bass majority of them have never been audited. Although one team did give us a hint. From. Owner of the Niagara ice dogs. Denise Burke, has said that pain players minimum wage would mean the team would be left facing financial catastrophe. Nick end Laudi, a forensic accounted who looked at the ice dogs financials told TSN that we can't really learn much from them, quote, the owner of a company like this absolute discretion, they can pay themselves and others whenever they want. We do know that the ice Dov owners paid themselves three hundred thousand dollars dividends around what it would take the pay the players minimum wage. And according to tax documents at the same time, the owners Repleting poverty the team was leasing out five separate call. Four of the BMW's in one of them retailed and on hundred twenty one thousand. But for the sake of argument, let's take the sage L their work. Maybe they don't have enough money to pay these players. But here's the thing. The has a benefactor an important benefactor with gobs of money. That depends on it for its players the National Hockey League, the C H L itself is primarily financed by the NHL the Chr proper doesn't make a ton of money. Their only source of revenue stream is primarily through funding from the NHL, which is kind of disguised if you will by grants. The NHL relies on the shell to train its players if the C H L really did get into trouble. It's hard to see the NHL not bailing it out. The NHL would certainly take the stance that they wouldn't jump in and save the they ran into trouble and had to pay their players. But the NHL relies on the H O more than it relies on any league in the world. They rely on them more than European any of the top European leagues the NCWA, and it is it is an extremely. Close by and they they need to Connor David's of the world. And they feel that the channel and the j challenge whol our best position to elevate. Those players to their league at a young age right now teams are paid around one hundred fifty thousand dollars for every player they send to the NHL last year. Seventy eight CEO players were drafted by the NHL. That's twelve million dollars for C H L teams. That's one source of revenue for a lot of these teams. They get rewards for producing NHL talent. If you've graduate four players in a year, it can be half a million dollars, which is not insignificant. I think the NHL would be backed into a corner, and in a sense in that they would have no choice, but to try and support the teams that would otherwise struggle or potentially have to fold. But even without that there is upwards of twenty million dollars some years given from the NHL to the child to to allow the league to be what it is. Most fans aren't sympathetic to the former C H L player suing the league, my sense is that the vast majority of fans think that these kids are spoiled as it is and think that they are afforded incredible opportunities that the average person isn't afforded. And why are they now complaining about the opportunities that they were afforded in the OH L, and the C H L has many owl is late last year. The Doug Ford government came out sharply against the players saying that the province won't consider them employee's that move pleased on cherry that icon of progressive Canada. But good for Doug Ford, shipped up. And I'm glad for Doug foreign. I'm glad one we got a politician that keeps his promises. But the C H L should worry about bringing more attention to the issue when the Portland winter hawks whol team tried to convince the Oregon state Senate that their player should be classified. As amateurs the plan, backfired spectacular. Former players talked about how their rights had been violated the abuse. They suffered on the ice the scholarships that were stripped from them all while they were still kids during my career in the whol. I had about seventy five fair knuckled, fist fights, the management, the coaches and people around me were were praising in the fans. It was getting rewarded the violence on the ice was getting rewarded? I had no idea the damage this was causing until my early twenties. When I started facing, depression mood, swings and thoughts of suicide, the senators weren't impressed. I want to apologize. I'm thinking of I took my daughter to winter hawks game did not occur to me that we were enjoying an evening and having fun based on the exploitation of other children that were her age. And I am very remorseful. That we participated in that, and I'm very very sorry for what you experienced. All it took to change. Their minds was hearing about what life was like for some of these kids. This can be a tricky story to wrap your head around. But it comes down to this. We have teenagers working hundreds of hours in dangerous conditions for next to nothing. When someone buys a jersey with their name on it. They don't see a penny when thousands of people come to see them play. They don't see a penny. Ensure some of them will make it to the NHL. But most won't team owners coaches, the NHL fans all benefit from their work. All the while shouting from the rooftops that there just isn't enough money. The lawsuits still have a long way to go. And there's no guarantee that the courts will see things the players way. But Lucas Walter a former player in one of the plaintiffs had this to say about why he's suing the league. I don't see the players having any say you almost feel like a piece of meat sometimes. That's your episode calms for the week this episode relied and reporting done by Scott Wheeler at the F letting request headed TSN Ken Campbell at the hockey news and many other folks and make sure to check out ofo next on the latest episode Jenin Justin interviewed NDP leader Jagmeet Singh who's running for federal seat as we speak. Definitely give it a listen. It really was a great interview. If you want to get in touch with us, you can tweet us at candidate land Commons that see m NS. You can also Email me she at Kennedy show dot com. This episode of produced by myself and Jordan Cornish are managing editors Kevin Sexton. Enter music by Nathan Birla, if you like what we do. Please help us make this show. 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Avalanche Prevention

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37:11 min | 2 weeks ago

Avalanche Prevention

"So king as a matter of fact i took the foot massage or out of this my office because you were so mad about what he did to the audience. Don't say i never do anything for you on. What has sacrifice you've made for the spy so ellie. We have a lot to get to here on this podcast and as we referenced in the last podcast we need to get these things out quickly because lots of things change. This is not one of those off seasons where there's a long stretch in between activity may normally at this time of the season. There's not a whole lot going on. This season is very much different as we all know. We'll start with the very latest and involves the colorado avalanche and the new jersey devils. It is ryan graves a defense often new jersey miquel maltsev and a second round pick going back the other way so colorado essentially avoid losing ryan graves to the seattle crack in and we should also at some point. You're talking about new jersey devils in their enormous amount of cap space. Would you could even get bigger more on that in a moment but your thoughts on the deal graves maltsev second round pick very similar to the arvidsson deal between nashville and the kings quite simply just like the predators saw they were gonna lose arvidsson for nothing. Avalanche clearly saw they were gonna lose graves for nothing. Said you know why we might as well take advantage of this. New jersey situation is kind of interesting. If you look at the past couple of years it seems as if every off season they at another defenseman couple years ago. It was peaky sue ban last year. It was ryan murray. They've had holes back there and they've really tried to fill it through trade graves. I think is a really interesting player. He's more of a. I would say defensive defenseman. He's not a big time pot carrier in colorado. They had lots of those guys so it was very easy to pair them with someone who can do that job a little better new jersey. There aren't as many of those types of players will see how he fits but the devils definitely want to create some more edge around them and graves. Certainly does that when you look at that doubles back end as well to i mean the whole thing is going to be. We'll get to sue ban here in a second. But essentially built around two players as i see it tie smith and damon's iverson agree or disagree. I would agree with that. I thought they made a really good gamble on siegenthaler who they traded for from washington. Like i think that's a good bet for them and graves has some term. I think that's also a good bet for them. If you're looking at the kinds of chances that the devils are trying to take here. I think it makes a lotta sense for what they're trying to do. Let me ask you about new jersey before we get to the colorado avalanche side of this. And the gabriel landis gog discussion the new jersey devils have thirty one and a half million dollars worth of cap space according to cap friendly right now one thing before address that do we anticipate pk. Ben being exposed the seattle expansion draft here. I think it's possible. It sounds like they're going seaver. Verson graves and siegenthaler. Smith who you mentioned is exempt. Yep so that would not only leave sudan exposed. It would leave. Will butcher. Exposed to and a couple of their pending. Ufa's so i think it looks that way unless they pull a four four one surprise here or something like that I definitely think it looks like that. Well we've talked plenty about teams with a lot of cap space and how they can be essentially staging teams for trades or facilitators for trades. They can retain money pickup assets draft picks prospects et cetera. Do we know if that something desirable. For the new jersey devils. There's a lot of money to play with here. I mean they could really help. Move this thing forward if they're willing to quote unquote eat some questionable contracts. Well i think the other thing too is i. I do think they legitimately want to improve and take a run. I don't think for them. This is simply going to be about eating deals to help out other teams when you go out and you get a guy like graves or some of the guys. They've gone after in previous years. It's about trying to get better for them themselves. I think they want functionality here. Now we talked about the vegas goaltending. And i think leonard is a guy. They're kind of looking at flurries. Got one more year. Who knows what he's going to be looking at in the year. Landers got some term to him that would makes a bit of sense for me for jersey. The definite feeling about the golden knights as they want to open up some cap room. The devils can do that. They can take advantage of that. I don't think it's simply going to be. Hey we're gonna use our cap space to help other people get out of there. I think it's hey we're going to use our cap space and if you want to take someone you may have to pay us but we also want to try to get better and i think ultimately that's what the devil's trying to do to the colorado side of things. Now where's this organization at all. This is under the umbrella. The expansion draft on the horizon. Gabriel landis gog. The two sides are still a parts as free agency approaches towards the end of the month. July twenty eighth landis cog himself has said and i'm paraphrasing here. Disappointed that we're at this spot now would have loved this to have been done later. You know part of the reality is we've talked about before the avalanche Calma car. Philip grew bauer if they intend to keep him is a new contract and looming large over. All of it is a contract in the future for nathan mackinnon which will probably be a whopper as well. What is the story of colorado right now. Elliott's well the biggest story for me with colorado right now is the captain. And that's landis gog and he's hurting right now. I think he's disappointed and to me what i understand. The issue is is term. I think land discuss would like a deal that would wrap them up in colorado potentially to the end of his career. Like who knows you might still wanna play when he's in his mid thirties. What's philosophers years old line. Don't ask me about tomorrow. I might get hit by a bus so we don't know what's going to happen but i think gabriel and has god wants amac's term deal or if not eight seven. I think that's what he wants from. Colorado avalanche to this point have avoided that. I don't think there's been a lot of conversation. We'll see what happens in the twenty four hours before the roster freeze in the protectionists. Have to be in. But you know he's clearly been hurt by the fact. There hasn't been a lot of talk. I don't think they've been really close on term. I was on hockey central with you earlier on thursday and i really thought that a good comparible if not the exact comparable is andres lee. Who seven times seven from the islanders like to me. That was the most obvious kind of comparable. I don't think it's there and you know the biggest challenge at this time of year is with. This is how emotional does it get. You know landed skog loves being an avalanche. He clearly cares about the team in the organization. But he's hurt right now and anybody who has ever been in that position when the clock is ticking on big decisions and emotion gets into it. It's difficult it's challenging. It adds a level like sometimes you can talk someone back from that and other times. You can't and they start to say you know what. Forget this. I wanna see what else is out there. So i don't like to say things are over. I don't ever like to say things are over. But i do think landis cog is hurting and i think colorado has some work to do here and one of the biggest decisions they're going to have to make is. Are they willing to go to mac term. Because i think he wants that when you mentioned a second ago with the anders lee contract seven by seven and that seemed to be ballpark here. For gabriel lindskog. But they're not there yet. Do you mean the seven million dollars or the seven year term or both jeff. It's a great question. It's difficult to answer because nobody will talk about it. Obviously right now while it's still hot like nobody will ever say this. Is it right now. I think the issue is that landis made it very clear that he wanted term from the beginning you know. He wanted to know that in his mid through his mid thirties he was going to be in colorado or given the best opportunity to remain in. Colorado ju just for our listeners. Understand he's twenty eight years old and he's looking for contract. It'll take him to thirty six. i think he's been looking for seven or eight. Okay okay so if that happened if they got to eight years. I don't think it was until very recently so initially. I think the problem was the term. Wasn't there and if they got to eight then. I don't think the number was there. But i don't know for sure Like people have told me that they're not close and now we'll see what colorado does do they make a big last second run to fix this and men the problem or you saw his quotes. Oh yeah you know what this kind reminds me of. Jeff is at the beginning of the season. You'll remember there. Was that one day. Flare up with the montreal. Canadians and brandon gallagher. So montreal goes out. And they trade for anderson and they give anderson the big extension and they're talking to gallagher. There was a miscommunication. And all of a sudden gallagher doesn't think he's getting his deal and he's upset and it gets out there that he's very upset and then later that day they come back and they get the deal done and mark version comes out and throws himself on his sword and says that's my fault. There was a miscommunication. I would never let that happen. It shows you how quickly things can turn around the difference. Here is that colorado is not that close with land discovered as montreal was with gallagher and joe sakic. I think he's going to have to work some magic here. I think he's going to have to smooth this out but there's no question. This is gone a lot longer than landis gog fought hoped or believe it would and he is a little bit wounded. Are you a surprise as i am at this has gone this. I never thought we'd get to this. We thought this was going to be the layup. Like look at all the players. All the depending unrestricted free agents at the beginning of the season is okay. I can see this guy testing that guy. Testing this guy testing. I don't know but i never said that. About landis cog. I saw yeah. This one's gonna get done. This is a putt for par. Simple just tap it in. I am shocked that here. We are right now talking about this you know. Colorado is a very analytically aware organization aging curve. Issue as well. I i think that's that's kind of what it is like. That's my gas and also as you mentioned. There's a lot of other decisions they've gotta make and it's one is my car and one is mccain and those are going to be very very big numbers. The other thing too is that i think there are teams out there who suddenly are not so subtly making sure that you know landis god is aware that if he gets out there and you'll number one on that list i think he's saying louis lose his. I'm not using any one of tampering. Because god forbid there's tampering in this league because someone's going to run with this and sam accusing saint louis of tampering. I just think that. Gabriel landis god would be very well aware that saint louis would be interested. You know he's very tight with ryan o'reilly. I think the two of them were very close during o'reilly's time there. I think they've kept in touch. You know. I don't know how saint louis could really do this yet. it would be a dance for them pending what happens with tarasenko. But i've gotta think by now through the whisper networks of the national hockey league. That landis is gonna know who's out there for them. And and i would think saint louis would be very high on that list and you know probably the punctuation to all of it too and you brought this up on hockey central this afternoon landa scott just skated all over them in the playoffs. Yes he did other teams. Who could be interested in. Gabriel endoscopy services and. I can't believe i'm saying this. If indeed he hits the market on the twenty eighth. I mean who wouldn't you know who wouldn't of course i think l. a. would have some interest. I wonder about nashville having interest. I think there would be a lot of teams. i wonder. I wonder what a team like boston. I'll tell you this. It's gonna be wild and montreal of suddenly. They have extra cap too. I mean i know. Some people have talked about toronto. I don't think they're going to be able to do this if they can't do. Hyman i don't know how they're going to be able to do land discography goalie. I just think there'll be a lot of people after after landis gog and i do think the avalanche are going to have some work to do here. I he's upset it's emotional. It's taken a long time. We'll see what happens. One of the sagas. We're following as we kick off this edition of thirty one thought to podcast presented by the gmc sierra eighty four. Here we go okay so welcome once again to this edition of thirty. One thousand podcast. Thanks so much for joining us today. Lots happening I shouldn't happen. Lots being talked about elliott and will stick with a couple of canadian teams. Here right now and we'll We'll start with the maple leafs. I'm of the mind that this is probably going to be a six times six deal. What's happening with zach hyman right now. Well he's got the permission to talk to all these other teams right and you know what i think happened again. Nobody direct like none of the direct sources will talk about it. But the best i can piece together is like i think toronto wanted to keep them and i think he wanted to stay. I agree with you. I think there's a six times six or maybe seven times six out there potentially for him. We'll see where this goes. I think what toronto tried to do. And this is kind of gas and educated. Guess was they tried to. Max hermit to bring down the av And i just think it's too far from where highlands potentially going to go here. You know. I think it's like a lot of players i think there's a willingness to leave something on the table. I i just think the gap was too big of what potentially is out there. What they suspect is out there. And what toronto could do so. Even though i think toronto tried to mac term it. I just i don't think they were. They were able to get close. See that surprises me. The idea the toronto would would max term this thing and again i understand this is this is your educated speculation but you know we just mentioned the avalanche and being an analytics driven organization and so is toronto and the same aging curves that exists in colorado exist in toronto with the maple leafs as well. And here's a player. Who plays an aggressive rough brand of hockey which can to injuries. And he's twenty nine years old and that type of commitment on term to a player where you know. The history of these types of players aren't flattering for those types of contracts. I don't disagree with you. Jeff but i think what that may have shown was just how much toronto felt about this particular player. And the other thing you can always do is try to make it so that you know it's easier by audible at the end of the deal ever. I guess it just showed. How much toronto thought about hyman that. They really tried to find a way and i just unfortunately don't think it ever got close. You know the The other speculation that edmonson. There's a number of teams would be interested. Edmonson was one of the first ones that popped up and my first thought. Was you know what type of good did zach. Hyman do in her previous life to be able to play with austin matthews and maybe connor mcdavid early andrei cycle in this life. Do we know if there is still interest from edmonton edmonton's one of the teams in there. You know. I know there were some reports in vancouver. That knocks are there too. I just like to talk about the quick sec number one. I do think the contracts are looking for that kind of player. I think they have some interest in in in jaden schwartz. I don't think they're the only ones you know. There's going to be a few other teams looking at schwartz. Like i wonder. For example of landis gog leaves if colorado goes there maybe. La goes there. He goes back to saint. Louis i mean those are all possibilities for him but the other thing about vancouver i i wanted to mention wherever some brock besser rumblings. Yeah on thursday. This is what i think was going on with brock besser. I do think his name came up. But i don't think it's because vancouver's got him on the market. I really think that it was vancouver. Going after something they really wanted or needed and besser name came up as the price that it was going to cost them. And i really believe that if besser was getting move this year it was purely because of a deal where vancouver got something and we would say. Okay now we kind of understand why this happened. I don't think his name is being thrown out there. I think it was specific to a certain kind of trade. So i don't think it's a general besser available. Let me stick with vancouver here for one second. What's going to happen with nate schmidt here. I think they're going to to trade him. They are trying to move him. I think everybody knows. I hope said. There's no nate schmidt's situation. And i guess it's all semantics. Maybe there is no situation. But i think there's an understanding that You know he'd like to play elsewhere. And i think they're going to try to accommodate them but they could have a lot of holes on their blue line. They're they're trying to sign. Adler i don't know how deeply they've gone with hammock yet. There is a chance he comes back and ends up back there. But i do think they're trying to find him a new home. Let me get back to toronto. then We just talked about Zach hyman the goaltending situation. We've talked about a plenty jack. Campbell is the goaltender under contract. He will be a maple leaf next season question. Mark about frederik anderson question mark about number three. Who's out there on another team right now. What are your spidey senses. Tell you about the goaltending in toronto. It's a great question. I think the goaltender market's gonna be really interesting. You know with the montreal situation now. Where they're they're gonna leave weber unprotected in there. They're gonna lose. Jake allen you don't think they can do a deal to get ron francis to stay hands off. I hear it's expensive man. He don't someone told me who had been a position to know that the The ask and this may all changes. The deadline approaches. That the ask for staying hands off of a player as a first and a third. I've heard it's been very very high. That's very very high. That's very high very very high and that kind of fits but i. I haven't heard that you know the goalie. Market's going to be going to be fascinating. Someone told me that you know this new dell covid thing is really interesting you know. Carolina has indicated that they think what he could win in our is too high and you know some people wonder if it's appear negotiating tactic but other people tell me. They think they're serious that they'll only go to a certain point with the delicate and and then they might move on any maple leaf wise. Well i should talk about. The goal is because i keep on losing my train of thought right like this is not your fault. This is my fault like my flee like attention span. I keep getting distracted by something shiny. The name of this podcast cats and laser pointers go really is so true. Goalie wise everybody thinks seattle is taking dreger from florida and signing him. Now will that happen. I don't know but people are expecting it. So what other goaltenders. Now i think seattle is interested in whole be but not at the number. I think they want to see if they can get vancouver to retain something or try something there and then seattle's undoubtedly going to take a couple of goalies to see if they can flip them because if it's dreger we'll see what happens. Withhold be and montreal things. It's going to be allen and all of a sudden. Where else could we be going with this. Didn't we all think. I thought that anton khudobin was going to be one of those guys but then big ben bishop goes out in agreed to waive his no trade right. There's another one bishop. Mike smith isn't signed yet and edmonton. I think they're haggling over a second year but look who else's available out there. I think your give from the rangers. Let's see what happens with dell kovic. There's neurotic we've talked about the vegas goalies. Kemper would be a really interesting one for me. There were a lot of teams that were down on him because of his health. Not because he's a bad goalie or anything like that but just it's so hard for him to stay healthy but then he had a massive world championships for canada. Arizona's worried they're gonna lose aiden hill right so i think that's why they're trying to potentially move kemper and then there's going to be something else we aren't even you wanna hear a funny story no carry on the. I'm just going here. Here's the funniest story. I heard this week and someone said to me. It is right up his alley so the new york islanders signed ken. Appleby the goaltender. They'll show a general. yes big. Ken appleby yes okay so. The islanders signed ken appleby on april tenth k He got a two year deal. And it's a two way but it's a two year. He will be left exposed in the expansion draft and someone said to me the allders are trying to incentivize seattle to take him So he was playing in the e c h l previous of that deal and then played seven games with bridgeport this year and he got a two way two year extension and i totally forgot about this and then someone said to me. Why do you think lula morella would do that. So he could expose somebody in the expansion draft. You remember. this was all the talk around vegas expansion as well member. All these guys. There were going there. Were sort of on the fringes of nhl. Were all going to get an h. L. deals just so they could be exposed the vegas golden knights. And that has it really been a conversation around seattle but very much was around vegas during their expansion and none of it came to fruition. So this podcast is coming out on friday morning. Twenty four hours later a little more than twenty four hours later is going to be the freeze and then on sunday we find out the protectionist right. I think toronto's expecting to lose her foot but it's already been a crazy week. I don't think it's going to be coming down at all. yeah. I know this weekend's going to be not so as well. We had a lot to get to hear sort of slowing down. Let's get to pick it up here and get some more things in. Can't believe it's taken us this long. But let's do it The shea weber situation The injury ankle the foot. Do we talk about a career. You mentioned here on the podcast after. You're there in the rink. After that last game against tampa how weber was very visibly emotional. you know some emotional on on television on the bench and all the players going over to him we now understand. Why what do you make of the weber Situation here we're gonna get into like retire versus long-term injury and capri capture and all those fun things. But what's the situation. And what's the conversation happening around shea weber rate now. Well in a stunning development weber isn't talking about any of the stuff talking you know. He's he's very very private guy. You look at some of the players who were on long term for a long time. Nathan horton david. Clarkson chris pronger shave. Weber seems to fit on that The stuff he's done to his body. I don't think anybody is questioning. This player is legitimately hurt. And i think if you look at some of the other guys who spent a lot of years on long term. I don't see any reason why he shouldn't if that's what we come to. I think the problem is is that because it's happening around the expansion draft. The nhl is being a little bit tighter in just approving it. There are other teams. Who are saying that. This is total bs. And it's just an attempt to from the montreal canadians to get around the expansion draft and look like i understand. This is a competitive league and all that but tell me that shea weber is going to be the kinda guy who's going to be the person who's gonna cheat to avoid the expansion draft or the salary cap if he can't play he can't play. It's that simple. This foot problem was so bad last year. Remember nick he reported his career could be in jeopardy. Yup nick was a year too early and he was supposed to be out a month or six weeks and he was back into. I understand everybody's skeptical in. That's the way the world is right now by look at the person in question if you're not gonna buy it from him who are you going to buy it from when you look at shavers history and you look at how shea weber has played and you look at the pile up of injuries like i remember when nick put that tweet out. I didn't vote that for one. Second that to me made a lot of sense. I i can see that we can all understand that we can all see it. The question that i have here is and it's the obvious one. And it's the frightening one if you're the nashville predators. What happens if he's not allowed to go on long-term injury. I don't know. I think we expected to head that way. You mentioned the. Nhl is being super sensitive about this one. Like i think this just sort of ends of the at the At the obvious end of this road. Which is this guy is significantly heard. This is a career threatening injury. He's going to go a long term for the remainder of his career. A cynic might look at it. And i'm sure to your point. There are a lot of people in the nhl that are looking at it and saying well. Isn't that convenience when you look at all the money that's already been paid in the contract and now we're starting to approach the back dive but yeah again but i say the same thing like yeah i understand the cynical view of all this i really do but at what point do you look at the person and say okay. This is history and this is everything he played through and he's not holding himself out he's not talking about playing because he's soft or he's trying to avoid the expansion draft. He's honestly talking about not playing. His body is beaten up. And it's time like. I think he made this decision a while ago. I've asked some players. Montreal of weber told them and they said no nothing specific but you can tell the way he was carrying himself and the way he was talking. You knew This is not a guy who suddenly come up with this plan to say. Here's how i can help you. Avoid trouble in the expansion draft. He's been thinking about this for a while. So let's say that She weber next. Season is on long-term injury for the montreal canadians that opens up some opportunities here in the short term. Listen thinking they can hang onto the three that they want to On the back end and after that. What elliott all of the sudden. There's new cap space to play with. If weber's seven point eight comes off you know. I don't wanna talk about it too much either. But i just don't know what's going to happen here but there's also jonathan drew a andrew and situation and now we believe filipinos going to market pierre. Lebron mentioned that on thursday night vervins a wild man right. When he's got money to throw he'll throw it he'll offer sheet baby come on. Who's an ex sebastian. Here we go. He'll be like two thousand and five peyton manning going back to pass and firing the whole thing of montreal's team is this move by weber. The fact he's not gonna play for at least a year. It changes the entire team. He takes a huge presence off their blue line in that blue line was a huge identity for what went well in the playoffs and it takes a huge presence out of the room. You know coffee is going to have a bigger role suzuki's going to have a bigger role. I think a lot of their young players. They're young talented. Players are even kotkin yemi even though he was benched i still think unless they trade them for some reason. He's going to have a bigger role. That so i could see berge event because this is just the way he thinks going out there and taking a big swing like i i said landis cog would it surprise you if that guy got to market and you know depending on what version situation is here Taking a swing at the at no nothing. Nothing surprises me about berge. Even no eichel. Would that surprise you. I don't know that they'd be willing to part with what buffalo would want to bring in jack eichel Whole way of thinking right depending on what montreal's allowed to do here. The nhl seems very uncertain about what it wants to do here. I don't know what that's gonna mean for them but if berge of and all of a sudden has more cap room guy sciences yuki. Let's not forget that and that's gonna be a big number by. It's gonna be interesting here. Here's a wild suggestion. Then elliott. because he's gone the offer sheet route before anthony bavaria. Lose in tough yes. He is lose in tough. Yes he is if you're mark version and you have all this money and you just went to the stanley cup final. I you really went after all because he thought he might get them. Offer sheeting lula morello. That's another one but this is a week. We saw suitor in. Parisi bought outright. So god only knows what can happen now. Speaking of suitor my first thought would keep got bought. It was exit. yandle inter suitor. Here's what i'm hearing about ryan suter. I think that's going to slow down until after the expansion draft and then i think teams when they have a bit more clarity about their own situations and souder has some more clarity about their situations that picks up again a thought on the panthers buying yo yandle. They wanted to protect forsling. Anybody's who's lee surprised here and i do think there'll be plenty of interest in yandle i. I think he'll be in a situation where he's very comfortable to go to power. Plays important very popular teammate. Uh-huh and i think you'll pick based on fit as opposed to anything else. So i don't think he's going to have trouble finding a place at all. Could you see boston there. That's been rumored for a thousand years. It seems like right jeff and if yandle wants to do that now. He's got the opportunity to do that. And i know a lot of people are always wondering about taylor hall. There was a time when i thought there was potential deal in the drawer here. I'm less convinced that's the case right. Now we'll see you know. I think there's a lot of teams poking around on hall. We'll see what ends up happening with him. One another thing. We should mention for the florida. Panthers congratulations anthony declare last time. Does it all by himself. No agents required This year a three year deal nine million dollars so an avia. Three million for anthony declare. 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The Price is Right?

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The Price is Right?

"Elliot bogey good a little bit so in our ongoing efforts to satisfy everybody or at least try elliott this is thirty one thousand podcast presented by the gmc sierra eighty four now. Our podcasts usually come out monday and thursday. Slash friday of recent note. It's been news and rumors and expansion draft and nhl draft than free agency. We put out the podcast. I don't wanna say it's our podcast was luke pro- cops podcast on monday and we want to keep it as luke procup heavy as possible. It was his day. It was his day. We didn't wanna put out to podcasts. Okay here's a news podcast. And here's luke's podcast. We just wanted to be about him. And we thank everybody for the feedback. It's been real nice again. You know really happy For lucan his family as well but this is the other podcast of the early week for thirty with the pod This is news. This is rumors. And this is crazy town montreal carey price and everybody else elliott as we record this podcast monday night. Eleven o seven. Pm what is the latest with carey price in seattle. The cracker considering it. I think they have. Obviously i don't know signed but for all intents and purposes. They have a deal with chris trigger three times. Three point five and he's going to be there picked from florida. The price thing is still there. Something happened between ron francis and mark. Berge and you know. They're both pretty secretive guys. They like to keep their cards close to the vest. And i don't know if we'll ever get a definitive answers to what kinda went down in their conversations but something happened there. And i believe the ask for allen to not take him was a second prospect and berge said no and he explored trading him. But he didn't want to do that like i would. Montreal's plan wise. was that carey. Price really liked working with jake allen and next year was going to be like a regular season split now. Maybe it wasn't exactly be forty one forty one but i think with the montreal canadians were thinking about was a situation where carey price became. Sort of the one. A in the regular season played last games in the ever did and therefore he was raring to go for the playoffs. I believe that was the plan. Like i don't know if it was forty one forty one or it was you know forty seven thirty five or whatever it was going to be but they were trying to mold into a situation where they would share the job kinda right and then price would be ready for the playoffs and price was signing off on that. He liked that idea. And i don't know what happened negotiations here. But there's sounds like there's a little bit bad blood from the conversations and montreal tried this move and i think seattle new was possible but i don't think they really believed it was going to happen and now the reaction from outside in terms of when anyone asks the i love about it is how can we not seriously consider this and now the reports come out and like it's a knee potential surgery and it's not supposed to be that bad and now people are saying well you never know when they get in there it could turn out to be worse and i kinda wonder if montreal's regretting this to be honest and you know seattle's looking at it like well you know. Maybe he was hurt by look at the way he played in the playoffs. He took them within three wins. The stanley cup. And i just think that seattle you can't not do a deep dive and they're trying to find out the medical and they're trying to get to the bottom of this but the one thing jeff we haven't heard is what kerry price thinks because there's two schools of thought right now one that he did the canadians favor and they didn't think that he thought that this was actually going to happen. But to you also have to take that on some level. He knew it could happen and he was at least comfortable with the idea. See that's my question here. Is it possible that carey price is just cool with golan. Is it possible a carry price. Offer this to the montreal canadians with the thought that i'm katie. Go to seattle that. This is more than because right now. What this looks like to me is a a game of hockey chicken. Or it's hockey's equivalent of the closing scene in reservoir dogs where everyone's daring each other to do something here. That's what it looks in. Feels like to me elliott and maybe this is just an autumn's razor and you know the easiest explanation. God i feel bad for the guy. Who's chris and you feel bad for the guy who is Who's getting his ear cut off the chair. Maybe there's easiest. Explanation is just that kerry prices cool gone disastrous possibly earn. We're over thinking this thing. Like oh strategically. Montreal has placed carey price year as saying thinking. Seattle won't take him. As a way to protect jake allen could carry price. Maybe we just wanna go. That's why we have to wait. Like i don't like putting words in other people's mouths. I've been asking that question a lot over the last day you know. I wrote sunday night a blog and then the question i spent most of monday asking people wise does carry price. Want to go. And i think that it's impossible to say on some level that he's not comfortable with it but i really do believe that they also had a plan and price liked the plan. Which was you know what you're not gonna play sixty games anymore. You're going to play. What forty five. Maybe fifty and you're going to be sharp for the post-season and they believed in allen. They said that this is a guy who was big for us this year and he can be big for us again next year. So the person who knows that. I know who i think had the best intel. He said that was absolutely part of the decision making process but the other thing that everybody said was price had to sign off on this he had to know on some level. It was possible and i think that he's made it very clear that he's locking the no move clause back in. Should he be picked by seattle. I i really wonder if montreal really thought they would claiming. Here's why i asked the question or wonder about kerry prices desire to be a member of the seattle cracking here a. That's a very bold gesture to waive the no move clause and expose yourself and i would almost say that if you don't think like if i'm trying to put myself in k. Prices might if. I want to remain a montreal canadian and i know that i wanna keep jake allen here too. Is this too much risk for me. The thing that i come back to here is if this is keri price saying. I'm going to try this. Maybe i get picked up by seattle and oh well that's pretty frivolous way to treat your career and i've never ever for a second thought. The carey price was frivolous about his career. But to put yourself in this situation there is an element of being frivolous with your unless he actually has a desire to go or he's comfortable with it So when i wrote the blog sunday night that seattle was seriously considering it. I had a couple people league tax me. Says you think seattle's really thinking about it and i go. Yeah and they were surprised. And i called them. I said why are you guys surprised. And they said look analytically driven organization. It's not a good analytic bet. The day could see why montreal would make that bet. They thought it was a little reckless. The kind of joked it was kind of very berge event. Like just put yourself out there. Put your guts on the table in save. Beat this hand but they said that if they were looking at it critically seattle is the kind of organization that you would look at and say they're not doing that. I think you doubt carry price at your peril. But if you believe in aging curves you're not taking this bat and they think that's what montreal thought. Here's what i wonder about. When people say i think seattle believes this or this is what i think. Seattle thanks Are you talking about seattle hockey ops. Or seattle marketing. I think it's both are seattle ownership. Yeah but the thing is like ron. Francis walked away from carolina because he couldn't get along with ownership there he's a pretty principal. Guy right is is. I don't think he's going in there without some understanding of the separation between church and state. That's how all gonna work right from what i understand like. He goes to a lot of their business meetings. He goes to a lot of. They're like just overall business plan meetings because he feels it's important understand the way that part of the organization thinks and he knows how they all feel people are like all are they gonna pay eleven million dollar bonus they just spent six hundred fifty million on a team like eleven million. Now is a cheese sandwich. Basically so the l. They're looking at this. And they're saying like they know kerry prices the face the organization. That is a huge w for them. Now what. I think they're trying to get to the bottom. Two of is the injury stuff. What does this mean and is some team said to me. At the beginning they would say no way we do this. And some of them still said they wouldn't do it but the thing is like if you get a chance to see his records you're supposed to be told what the injuries are. And you know. Some people said like. I was talking to him about this allen price today. If you think dreer can be your jake allen and you can adopt that plan where price comes back if he has a surgeries out for the middle of the year and then comes back and he's rested the play. It's not a bad bad. What furious supposed to be the weakest division in the nhl next year In theory the pacific. The weakest. So like i said i think it's very real. They have to have their submissions to the league by ten. Am eastern on wednesday. It's poker time you think mark versions mind. He sees this as a challenge to seattle. Here's how here's how it sounds to me. Yeah haggling over the price for jake allen too. Expensive can't do it. Conversations get emotional. These prices are outrageous. This is in the spirit of cooperation amongst general managers. Burkey always called all the pirates are gone. There's no pirates left in the game and all the pirates again. You know the guys were you shake their hand. You have to count your fingers afterwards. Right the oak cliff fletcher tapes rate. Oh you've got to win a trade. It's the spirit of cooperation amongst general managers. The that is just an emotional event when the got carried away and now it's gone too far. It's possible you look at the time line. News gets out that he's exposed and then a day later comes out the injury stuff like a lot of people that kind of fits that way right now. The bottom line is if they select price. There's a chance you basically traded carry a price for nothing. Do you believe that. That's what montreal wanted to. Do you think montreal can sell will. Now we've got ten point five million cap space that we didn't have before a goaltender that just took him to the stanley cup final. So the only way that you can sell that is if watch two ways. Watch what we do with this money or he wanted to go. I'm wondering if the canadians are like boy. This kind of went farther. We thought it was going to go. We'll see we'll see how this plays out is such a fascinating story and that's only one of the parts right now at the montreal canadians we talked a lot of o'shea wherever last week and we won't know that until he goes up for his preseason physical that's when the nhl rural what about filipino. Anytime there's a center out there. The first team i think of is columbus like he's a senate right and he's a good one yup not as much a score but he's so no he's a. He's a silky center. He's sulky candidate. Sarah always gonna. You're always gonna find room for those guys. Okay let's pause on the haves conversation right now and move this into the colorado avalanche. So last podcast. We talked plenty of. Gabriel landis gog and just it'd be blunt elliott colorado fans and. I understand why are more than a little bit panicked. Right now are feeling a little nervous and a little bit anxious about their squad. What's happening now. Well i think. I think this is actually a good time for colorado because the one thing that happens is landscape obviously can negotiate with seattle by. I think everybody they're kinda needed a time out. And the one thing is is that joe sacic and this is what. I was reminded of when i was kind of listening to what we talked about with colorado wish. I would've said a bit more of this sack. He awaited everyone on the shane deal. Do you remember how much How intense the scrutiny wise and how intense the pressure was you. Make the deal. You gotta make the deal and he outweighed everyone to make a great deal for team. Yes well that's where we are right now. I think he's just saying okay. I have a plan. And i really believe that this is the move i'm gonna make and i'm going to go to a certain point and i'm not going on that because i just just don't think it's right for my team and i think in the middle of this maelstrom and i know. Their fans are are wired. Right now sack is like note. I'm going to stay calm. And i've got a plan so i do think that assuming land discard doesn't sign in seattle. And i don't think that's going to happen. I could always be wrong. I don't think so. But i think they're gonna take one more shot at this and the one thing that i've heard is that if asked from landis skog is like for argument's sake sixty million. I just don't think it's going to get done there. But i do. Think if there's some creativity on both sides. I think they're going to try. I do think colorado wants him back. Obviously he wants to stay there. You know we talked a lot about the motion that got into it. I think everybody's gonna try to take barring him signing in seattle. I think everybody takes a deep breath over this three day span and they take one more run at it. See i believe sixty million dollar contract out there for gabriel. And i don't think it's from colorado. But i think that deal is out there. I can't see colorado going to know a dozen. I'm saying i can't see that being with colorado. But i think that deal is out there in the nhl. For gabriel landis gog but if landis dog is married to the market team that drafted him captain youngest etcetera. What he's been through. How close colorado is competitively. This one of the top teams in the nhl. Where does the team need to bend. And where does landis gog need to bend because we talk. We spent a lot of time talking about term. And al landis gog once eight or at worst case scenario seven and that's not what colorado wants you can negotiate. You can negotiate the money but the term to me seems to be the big hold up. Here it's tough for me to answer that when jeff because like we talked a lot about this last week and in the words of one person like we poured gasoline on the fire. So everybody wants a calm down late. Like i do think that white people feel is the best thing to happen. There is lower the temperature a few degrees like maybe the water doesn't have to be boiling. Maybe it can be like a moderate simmer. So this this this roster right now is perfectly timed well. The one thing that people said that we were totally right about was the emotion is now in it. And i don't know how colorado feels i don't know if they feel that he's right to feel that way or he's wrong to feel that way. I just think that everybody feels there that. In order to take one more run they have to take the emotion out of it. I think both sides want to take another run is just that have to calm it down. You know in situations like this in. I mean we see this often when there's like. Cba negotiations and what is the strategy when you temperature to calm down. Get new people in the room right. It was always get rid of the two main people bringing people underneath them and lead them take over because there's too much emotion. I think this one is take a out. And that's what i'm saying. So what's the strategy then if because if ultimately coming back with the same people will you not eventually just end up with the same discussion like i said. I think if the number is sixty. I don't think it gets on in colorado. I think colorado has got a limit. I don't know what that limits going to be. And i just think they're going to see how they get to the the number a few more things to get through here today the berkeley good dro- contract six year deal. It is a navy of three point. Six million dollars should give credit to frank. Sarah valley who got that when i one hundred percent. Well-done frankford you on his podcast with greg. The other day well done yeah. Thank you very nice. Podcast just me or does it seem like we should expect more similar moves like this from the rangers at the expense of players like pavel butchnevich. We're going for a little more toughness over skill. yeah well. I think that's true like look at the narrative that came out when the when the coaching change came and the gm change came was that they were too easy to play against in. And that's where this goes in first of all. Congratulations that good role. You talk about a guy who was really on the fringes to now a twenty four million dollar contract like i. I love to see guys get rewarded like that. Do you remember what he did. Specifically he turned down. Okay he turned down an american hockey league contract from the detroit red wings to go back and spend his overage year junior with the battalion and stand butler took that team the ross robertson cup final loss against a stacked wealth storm team. But i don't know many guys that turned down pro contracts to go back and play junior hockey and bet on themselves. Yeah because that's what he did. Good drill bet on himself. One hundred percent happy for him just personally. I think it's a great thing. I think those were the kinds of guys that we're gonna get rewarded this year. You know blake coleman. I think he's gonna get a big deal. I think hymens going to get a big deal you know. I'm very curious to see what your well aren't baguettes. I think that was the kind of player that was going to get paid really well here so i'm not surprised like honestly i know there was a lot of shock when that got announced today there was some people who said that is way more than what they were expecting. I can honestly say on this one. It's kinda came in where i thought it was gonna come in and like the butchnevich is he's one more year he's arbitration eligible. And you know next year. He's a usa teams. I've heard kinda liked them at times. Saint louis nashville. I'm sure there's more. I know there was a rumor out there. About like a hor- vat forbush navy steel. I don't understand how that makes any sense for the canucks. I can't see that at all no way. I mentioned that to somebody in vancouver and they like just. The pure scorn at my suggestion was very obvious. But i'll tell you this. I do think which which is going to be an interesting player and i'll tell you this. I think the next few days are going to be a little. Might be a little goofy on eichel to like. I've heard some teams kinda passing out. And it's so tough to say this right now because. There's so much bluffing. The last night. Isaiah thomas the first. Gm i ever covered was always telling me is at around the draft. Everybody lies but it sounds like anaheim out. It sounds like. La's out it sounds. Lake calgary's out can always change with one. Phone call can change. I think minnesota's in there. But i think minnesota has to work with buffalo or someone else to get a contract out and i still wonder about the rangers like i really believe that. Christianity is a stealth guy. I still wonder about all this see. Here's my question about minnesota michael. If you're jack eichel. I mean how has minnesota can convince him to go there knowing this humongous cap hit this dead cap space. They have coming up in a couple of years. I understand all that. But if you're jack eichel and you're playing well you can make a difference one hundred percent. You can make a difference as far as recruiting goes. That's a tough one. You know why i got. I got news for you like jack. Eichel he wants a new start wherever he goes. He's not going to be a problem. See i can see rangers all day long. And that's one we've been talking about and that one's still to me makes The most sense. I'll tell you with those. You know some of those players that you mentioned the more robust hockey players. Whether it's you know. Hyman good row. Coleman these guys are getting paid this summer jay schwartz to like You know. I think seattle likes him. A lot i heard vancouver was in there. I heard colorado is potentially in there at the laws landis. Kaga heard l. a. was in there and you know someone told me that. don't be surprised if if schwartz's ends up being seattle's picked from saint louis. It's possible i would've figured vince all along. How i i don't know i someone. Maybe there's another deal there but someone said to me that schwarzen- seattle there was some serious mutual interest. The reason i bring up some of the more robust players is i was really curious or maybe not curious and maybe not even surprised it was just something. That's basically you're just you said i was curious or wandering but now you're not doing you. They're like you're completely destroying your own theory and pretty much. I'm just sort of like i'm pack. Manning myself here. Somehow i wonder about nick delory who was protected. The fact that he's protected leads me to believe that. Nicholas the laurie as really valued around the nhl. And i talked to someone last week. Said don't be surprised if delory gets anaheim a first round. Pick in return well first of all. I'm not going to say anything about the laura 'cause i butchered one at the deadline last year with him and i heard he was quite throwing by it. I still get sick feeling in the pit of my stomach when i think about it. You know pittsburgh was a team that liked him. But i think anaheim desert for using right. I always come back to this conversation that you and i had a boat ryan reason. You're ryan reef story about tom wilson. Problem the solution to your tom. Wilson problem yes ryan reeves. Isn't the only solution to a tom. Wilson problem the quiz. The laurie can be as well. And that's why i think he's a pretty valuable commodity specifically in the east for a team that plays the capital's a lot and wants to get rid of their tom wilson problem and they just signed barclay goodra. That's what i wondered. I think it's a really good question. Just quick. I wanna go over jeff. Before the end of the podcast tarasenko. There were some rumors with philly. You know it makes sense. And i do think philly as one of the teams that asked for tarasenko medicals but i had someone kind of pooh-poohed me that today so again you know. We'll see where that goes by. I had someone who said they. Don't think philly's the leader but they definitely did request the information you know i really liked what arizona did then you'd picks and they got tax on hill. I heard that they set a standard. It's really interesting like Burki told me once he didn't trade mike campbell when cam later was a ufo. In calgary. and. I said why didn't you trade him. He said because i set a standard then he says if you you wait until the last minute and then you break your standard people will always think they can await you and i heard bill armstrong the arizona. He told teams aiden hill. Second rounder and what happened. Was he stuck with it and he got it like san. Jose really liked hill from when they played against him. I thought that was interesting. I thought that was getting lad for the pecs. I think that was a good move for them. Carolina they're in a bit of a standoff with the delicate which i definitely heard it and i wrote it that they may not qualify him. I gotta think that's going to happen now. Gourd man. that's gonna be an interesting one. I'm really curious to see what offer seattle gets on board. You know whose name. I've heard a little bit. Maybe is clean. bergen dallas. Now they got hey signed klingberg's one year from usa in that he might be available well if dallas doesn't think they can sign them. What are they gonna do here. I think they've been asked about that right. You know you've got hayes consigned you know. Look at all their d- klingberg one year for usa. I think they're getting asked about him a little bit. The larsen one is interesting to edmonton. I wonder vancouver's gonna be there. I'll tell you this to vancouver one of the centers they really liked was Nick dukes tag. I think that's one of the guys. They kinda looked around at. And i i wouldn't be surprised that they asked seattle if they take them but i think seattle wants the golick coconut. This goes back to a couple of administrations ago. It seems like in vancouver. Remember the original along. Oh deal with florida and bucs tad was all over it and that was the one that yelp pal and never never wanted to let go of bucs. I was the one guy that florida kept hanging onto kept hanging onto. They wanted to get paroled from winnipeg the ass back. Bucs that at it's not going to happen And the original along deal. I'm pretty sure that bucs that was the big piece going back the other way. There's always been something vancouver bucs that that's an interesting one. I am curious about yanni gordon as well. Here's what i'm interested about. Yanni gord on the tampa bay. Lightning is a third line center. Can he play higher in the lineup. Is my question about yanni gord. We might find out. Well that's what i wonder too like. I remember my favorite conversation. I ever had about places in lineup with bobby holy remembered corner. Watch junior game with bobby. And i said what the difference between you and the and the devils in you and the rangers and he said Bobby holik playing with the new jersey devils found the third line center. We're going to win the stanley cup. If i'm your first line center were not going to win the stanley cup. That's the difference between me and the devils in me with the new york rangers. But that's what i wonder about with yanni gord like we have him locked into this idea of being a third line center period. Because that's where we've seen him have success but you look at what's playing in front of him and i don't know the answer whether yanni gordon compla- higher in the lineup. Just because he did so in the american hockey league doesn't necessarily mean he can do it at the nhl level. But that's the guy that. I wonder about their look out if i'm seattle and i'm saying okay. Let's forget all the preconceived notions we have about yanni. Gord where we always say. Great third-line center. I wonder if he can play higher. I wonder if you only gordon can be a top six guy like do you think. That's the guy that seattle grabs at a tampa. 'cause if i'm tampa. That's the guy that i'm taking. How can you not only fence. He's a center. Alice learns a really good hockey player. Lawrence lawrence really good hockey player. No question about it words a center. I know he's a senator and i again. I just wonder if he can play higher in the lineup. One final one here. Because i had a conversation with someone that was pretty interesting the other day and they raise an interesting comparable for him and i think that it might even actually get higher was talked with some of the other day about zach hyman. Who told me the belief is an. I can't recall other. He said starting point or whether this is a comparable and this is part of a negotiation. But he said to me. It looks like zach. Hyman contract will be the josh anderson contract. Do you believe that or could it be even higher. Our listeners. josh. Anderson deal is seven years thirty eight point. Five five point five av. Do you think that a hyman deal can be bigger. Well i think look what the good road deal. Just was six years three point six. And don't you think. That hyman beats that i do think to hyman beats out. The only question is by how much. I've heard the josh anderson comparison to i think it's just a matter of how many teams are you get a bidding war You're there you get edmonton calgary. Someone today told me nashville national going to do something. They clearly decided they needed to change their group right. I don't think that they lose either of The shane johannesen though. No i don't think they're getting claimed at the expansion draft this to me this to me. Has kelly yarn croak iron hook written all over it. I think so too that. Would that would be my expectation. But i i think national is gonna do some things. I can't imagine that they didn't they're gonna try to resign home. I do think they're taking a run at that. I hadn't heard hyman with nashville. But i had heard highland potentially with the rangers. They weren't getting him for six times. Three point six right. So that tells me that he's coming in significantly higher mark. Scher dano when you look at all of the picks that seattle has in front of them. is this the easiest one to say. Of course that's seattle is taking. But is he staying. There is the big question. What do you think. I think teams are going to ask them. Can you flip them. So i don't wanna end on this one. Actually she almost. I said thirty minutes almost one more thing. We seem to think that seattle cracking because they've been told front. Francine told he can spend up to the cap that they're going to do that out of the gate. I don't know that they do to me. This feels like they hold money. They hold room back for trade deadline. Well i think also if they spend close to the cap this year. It's still gives them flexibility in the future. You know the one thing. I'm really curious about is. Someone said to me was seattle. They could make seth jones deal if they want to now. That depends on jones but they could do it. Wow play junior in portland sources. Say not that far not that far one thing. I wanna mention as well make. Sure the checkout steve dangles livestream with the expansion draft wednesday at sports nets youtube channel seven thirty eastern sorts seven thirty five eastern watch. Stephen jesse blake react each seattle cracking expansion. Draft selection live. The link to the stream is in our show description. Elliot before a third of the tunes and play nickel-and-dime dj here. Is there anything that you think. You've left out on this pod today knowing that everything will change tomorrow you know i just wanna civil dangle. You see the manning brothers. They announced a new deal for a secondary viewing viewing for games. We're doing that with dangle. We did that within the play offs. Like i just wanted to say. Congratulations to steve. I know some people would think that maybe some of us who are on the regular broadcast wouldn't like that. I don't feel that way. I feel that the more people who are watching sports net are various platforms. Better and i think. Steve deserves a lot of credit for creating something that people are interested in. So i just want to say congratulations. Long all day for dangle and what he's been able to build and how he's built it in howie's controlled his career really and how he's done it seemingly from nothing other than an idea and the internet like good on him and he is a great canadian sports media. Success story steve congrats. Move van is moving moving. Your first Is moving me a ticket us out as a train cellist. Composer songwriter and producer. The background in indian classical music. Arthur russell was never one to settle into one genre experimenting with classical electronic and rock but through his exploration and inspired his unique sound and a number of off the wall collaborations. Here's one of the greats. Arthur russell with this is how we walk on the moon. I'm thirty one thoughts. 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"All right from north peak podcasts company in partnership with tsn. Welcome to episode seventeen season to the rain grades hockey. Podcast there and gregor along with ray ferraro and today it's a special ask griggs. Anything pre tree deadline edition. So i asked you this race we prepare for headlines and we'll keep that somewhat brief because again we want to get through as many questions and ask her in grades as we can. Are you up for an emergency podcast. We haven't done one of those in a while. So i'm thinking maybe post trade deadline on monday april twelfth or the morning of april thirteenth. Today you don't be good that we should do monday night because then then i'll know what it was like to work in a coal mine because i'm starting at five. Am for the trade center right. That ends at two pm organ. This pacific time. Then we have to tape a hip for sportscenter so that will finish to thirty by the time. It's all done then. I gotta jump in a car and drive down to the studios to broadcast the leafs and canadians game. So get their three. Fifteen warm-up starts at three thirty then once we do warm up. When i do. And then i gotta talk at the duffy twice again before the game starts. Then we'll do the game. That's three hours. Basically finish at seven. Come home and talk to you again. What are we to finish the day. I'd allow it. That'd be a salty. Ray for that's a lot. I mean i'm fully what it's an emergency gotta be done. Maybe we delay the emergency tuesday. I was up then then like your brains on tuesday. Just think you're going to be oatmeal monday night. It is okay. Well so here's what. I'll do them for some reason. Bob mckenzie's on the panel. I guess because the only dust them off for a special occasion or they will in a motor. What is wheeled out. So he'll be a museum piece now. Well he's fully vaccinated and he's in good shape you know he's trimmed up. Have you seen him. He looks great. So i'm getting pumpkin for leaps game. So i'll be. I'll be fresh. I'll be ready game for a quick emergence. You're gonna hang on bob's coming out of retirement is going to do the full day. And then they're gonna staple into that chair to make him do the game to love it. Though bob renegotiated deal it was probably the way he could squeeze a few more as john. Davidson used to say shackles off. So he's doing like three or four leaf games which i didn't argue with. Look i like games but on trade deadline. Oh you're going to experience it as many years. This is the the worst one i had was we for whatever reason i did. One from the arena. In calgary and i had to be there all day. Yeah so they wanna be up for whatever was going on. So i do. I do the trade about four o'clock. I'm like madam lowered my voice here like i got one of those. I had to do the game by the middle of the second period. I couldn't talk so the producers. Like say anything i. He's going to say anything a so. It sounded like a guy chewing on glass. And i think it was cuthbert. I might have been bored. I don't remember and they basically had to take the game to finish it off themselves. That's the last time anyone's been in a wrinkle day while that wouldn't be a problem for gourd he could pit bull off of meat wagon all right. Let's we're going to jump into headlines here. But i life of all everybody loves a little personal touches that we put on the raindrops podcast. Now you've had all even new puppy for what three weeks two and half three weeks after coming up three years five years. I'm not sure what it is. So i'm thinking to myself. Would you confirm before we recorded. We established and we've had cami on the podcast to tell some great stories of how finicky you can be mean you like things in a certain way. You're very organized. Your bit of a clean freak all of those sites which i highly respect and appreciate. 'cause i'm not quite that extreme but i have those tendencies as well Two dogs and a cat in the bigger house. Thanks le- i've got a senior citizen dog still as its faculties so on occasion crap on the floor as we've also talked about the podcast because they stepped in it in our bedroom. Want right but for you. I mean a puppy. it happens all the time right. They take squirt on the floor. But it's now her on the tile or somewhere where you can just quickly clean it up and the way you go like. That's the part that gets me with with with dogs or the new policies especially okay so all these wearing us out. I gotta be honest these about five to six pounds. My hands look like they've got darts in them candies hands. She's with the dog more with all the more her hands look like she just stuck the partway in a meat shredder. Like it just because the dog fighting with lightning and those little pencil teeth. Now they're just like zing zang zing take him and take him out take them take them goes inside take them inside has as a three lexa water again. You're like how like. How did you do that. And so i i am getting quite a lot of instruction as well. Yeah because i'm not as attentive as i probably should be like i sit down and watch five minutes a game. I look over that all these gun the bathroom again cleanup him. Clean up the bathroom now. I've got the game on pause. It takes me four hours to watch a game now. If it wasn't so cute. I'd really have. I'd have an issue with them. So i totally transformed the house. We have a bunch of throw rugs around. Yeah they're all wrapped up in or rolled up and put in the basement. He piece of rock squirt pizza. Run-scorer like come on you. So i mean you're probably tired of hearing the dog owners. Who think they know it all say oh it gets better. It's gonna be great. It'll be fine and it does and you know it will eventually your lip moment and right. Now it sucks right. But here's what happens. And i'm not going to get too graphic because it's gross but they do get better but like humans. They get sick right. They get sick or they'll get mccain. Why do you. Why are you telling me this. Like i'm just getting through the first part here. I know but imagine a hundred and thirty pound great dane with the runs. Can you imagine. can you up mad. No okay so bill all the is going to be eighteen. Pounds tops. Plenty yeah whatever is coming out of that. Great dean at a tiny. I can't even think about that. Well i'm just telling you. I mean at least it'll be fleeting and it'll happen once in a while you'll be you know. You're just a beacon of positivity moving on the headlines well going and put all the up for whatever adoption well headlines brought to you by our friends at google dot. co cool belts. Chris abbott will join us a little bit later in the podcasts. As he does every week. He's got the latest masters odds news. Notes round one underway at augusta. You've got to be nineteen years old. You've got to stay cool bet responsibly. And check dot co from by the way we had conversation in our pre work here on the podcast with chris about wrestlemainia which we're gonna have to dive into with because to me. It's it's a farce. It's a mega brazilian dollar industry. I understand wrote. I don't understand it. So i'm curious. He wants to talk about wrestlemainia. And i'm curious as to why so we'll get to that headlines. Let's begin with the big trade your former team one of your former teams new york and is trading for kalpa. Mary and travis jack from the new jersey devils New jersey retains fifty percent of their salaries. Both pending unrestricted free agents. The islanders get better. they get older. No question about that. new jersey in the meantime gets a first round draft pick and a conditional fourth which could be a third. What do you make of this deal. I i'm i'm not a fan of call palmeri. I think he's a very useful player. So how much better blue emerald will make the new york islanders. Why i think they got better for sure. You're you're right. It's all about short term for them. They had that all kinds of cap space with the unfortunate injury that offers lee so they loo was going out to get a forward like lou with seven million dollars. A cap space in his pocket is not an idle guy. Like something was going to happen. So i i look at the deal and i think pull. Maria's slowed down. I don't think he can do what he used to do. But he can score. He can score close to the net. The islanders are not going to be a rush team right. So what what why. I like this deal is. The islanders are built a certain way. You know they're gonna four check. They're going to control the puck with their size and the added players that play the same way droids. They didn't know sometimes. A team allowed a player in after the after. The playoffs are over. You go yeah. That guy just didn't fit. I don't think that's the case here. These guys fit with the way. The islanders play. What's interesting though is and tom fitzgerald in new jersey. The general manager traded to very useful players. And got i and maybe third. But it's not it's not It's not a seller's market. That's for sure. I think that's what the that's what that first rate of the of the season told me like the of this. Yeah think you're right and look fizi tawny this trade thought people body got absolutely fleece. Now the one thing i would say and look. I'm appreciative of the fifty percent salary. Retained that matters. I mean literally. it's currency who's given a first round draft pick for kabul mary again with all due respect. He's a good player. Boston wasn't giving a first round draft. Pick for kyle o'mara so fizi gets a first and a conditional fourth. He gets two players that are probably going to be in the american league in in johnston. Aj a gritter but in a bizarre world that were working living in this pandemic with shorten season with all the question marks a flat cap and all of those things. I honestly didn't think there'd be too many first round picks thrown thrown out for rental players. I do think. Kevin adams is sitting there with sixteen offering them first round picks for taylor hall. No chance like it's a hard market the other thing drake's. I don't know that we've talked about enough. Is that okay. So you're an owner and you had a fortune. It was this big and now it's a lot less bake for sharing. Your general manager comes to you. And says i want to add money and you look around and you go At most two thousand fans in the building. Yeah no make do with what you got. The other thing for for tom fitzgerald as well they clear to roster spots here in pulmonary and zajac. They've got a bucket load of young guys that they're trying to evaluate to playing spots to try and move this process along jersey's got some really interesting young players and which jersey and no. We don't talk a lot about them. I know people. Don't talk about ty smith in the calder trophy race. But he's really good player to and nobody talks about jersey. got a first round. Pick for this. This is about the best they were going to do now. Well and fifty being the high character man that he is a loved his quote right on where he said. I hope that we get is a thirty second. Pick in the draft. I hope both of these gentlemen win. Any means assad lip-service fits is an old teammate. A plate with them with the islanders. He's a good man he is. He's really just a good person. All right well as we get into ask ray and rigs in a few minutes here Again as we're recording this podcast on thursday. What is april seventh eight. While the eight first masters come out yeah of course We're not gonna dive too deep into trade speculation just because with date. The podcast almost immediately writing is inevitably. There's going to be things that happened. And maybe the new jersey in new york honors straight kinda gets things rolling We'll talk about some of it as we go through ray drake's but i didn't wanna talk about tomorrow night stuff now in toronto and montreal before we wrap headlines so jack campbell sits a franchise record with the toronto maple leafs going ten all end in crease. A now for thirteen to in one as a member of the toronto maple leafs organization. Are you buying it entirely. I mean are you seeing enough in the play of this young. I to to believe that they don't need to do anything in goal. And maybe maybe. If the negotiation with freddie anderson doesn't go the way that they hope jack campbell could be the answer as their number one moving forward Three weeks ago no now yes and for a couple of reasons rates. Is jack going to win. The vezina sometime no is he going to be an upper. Half of the league guli. I think he can be. Can you win with upper half goaltending. Even if you're around the thirty two starters if you're in the sixteen to twelve range sure why not look at the stanley cup winners over the past couple or past decade look how many teams have used to goalies. Yeah because they washington one and phillip group our was the starter by game three. It was braden holtby pittsburgh three guys one year two guys the next year like it happens. I i'm really impressed with campbell's play. Maybe i'm a sucker for the story. Maybe like i'll tell you it's impossible not to cheer for him. He just seems like such a good person and he went and got booted to the curb but as he was getting booted to the curb. The people that were still working with them dallas. They still love them. They're like i want this guy to do well. Jim nill traded the los angeles just to give him a start a restart. Maybe they can recalibrate. We love the kid. Nothing's happened forum here. And there's a couple of guys in los angeles. That jack has gone to great lengths to credit and billy ranford the goalie coach and dusty mu. Who is kind of this goalie. Whisperer the kind of stays in the background and he hoped jack except the ups and downs of the position. But i watch him play. And i'm like does he get lucky. Sure does every only get lucky. You bet does he make the safety supposed to make and then a few that he should absolutely the only concern. I have of the maple. Leafs is the combined health of anderson and campbell right or they're gonna hold up physically because anderson's a question more clearly. That's a soft tissue issue because they don't have a timeline for him and you know how that works with goalies like sometimes. It looks like it's going to be tomorrow and it turns out to be a month and then with campbell. They're trying to manage his practice time. That would be the only thing that gives me pause with the leafs goaltending right now while. We're told that. Freddie is going to be fine but what does that mean until he told the season's going to be fine three weeks ago too. Yeah yeah the deeper into the season that becomes a concern right. Absolutely speaking of concern brendan. Gallagher lost the regular season at least a six week injury with a fractured thumb. I mean such an energy guy. I don't have to sell you branding gallagher. I know that. I love all in the lineup. I mean that combination with the tar denault had really just come alive to right. So it's it's a significant hole in the line of big loss for the montreal canadiens because of the ti. He'll they can go out and spend above the cap. What about three point. Seven five million dollars to. They need to do that or do they. Just keep things dry for now you'll or is is coming back off and you've got cool caufield who everybody in montreal. I think everybody around the nhl to see how much of an impact he can make as a wildly inexperienced player. What would you do if you're burge I wouldn't spend three point seven five on a winger. That is just going to gum up the project when gallagher comes back there's only so much ice time to go around. I'm using that money. If i can get a top line center i know. They added eric stall but they're still really inexperienced the middle of the ice. If i can do that sure otherwise. I might look for a depth piece. Someone that can help fill in because they still don't know even the war mia's back and starting to skate. You never really know what we've seen. How players are going to respond coming out of kovin like are they is. He gonna feel good. Is it gonna take til next year. Is it going to take a month. They don't really know. So maybe if i'm looking to plug that spot. I look at a depth guy. Somebody that can fill in that. Maybe i can move up and down the lineup. But i'm not looking at a stud player right now because one gallagher comes back i hate that guy in him. Where because if you if you look at the way. They're their lineup is they. Don't really have a lot of ruby screwing up the whole thing corey perry. He's been a game tonight but he's been. He's been to montreal to a certain extent. What jason's fats has been to toronto. Two old guys that are smart that can still play. That can still produce. It's one thing it's kind of a throwaway time or they can play. No they produce. That's the difference. Headlines brought by prowls cool bed dot. Co it's time now ready for okay. Tire performance players of the past week. This is the fun part of the segment. I mean we chewed through some of the meat. We've got expanded version of acid rain. Dregs anything coming up. You go first. Who's your performer of the week. I'd say one of the most underappreciated players in the national hockey league it's twenty-three-year-old adam fox with the new york rangers Fox has a goal and four sisson in just a couple of games this week. I know it's for this week. But i'm gonna love this into drake's eleven game point streak three goals and eighteen assists for adam fox when you start the big little deeper and look at some of the numbers that go behind his performance. He's in the norris trophy conversation heriot's and i don't think there's any real momentum yet for but if more people start to see and understand what adam fox is doing for the new york rangers. They're gonna go. You know what when we talk about these young guys. Yeah my car and hughes and heiskanen among others. Fox's in that conversation. Just think. Three teams for adam fox before even plays a game drafted by calgary. They couldn't get him signed they throw them into the deal with dougie. Hamilton goes to carolina. Carolina couldn't get him signed ends up with the rangers and he is terrific player. He will definitely be in the. Us olympic team conversation one hundred percent all right. Adam fox is right ferraro's okay tire performance player of past week acute on this one little bit to be fair because we've been blessed with some high quality performances in the past you. Can you go back to map or zealous. hat trick. How wild out was including the baseball swing goal that ended a an rush was part of that trio of offense. We just talked about. Jack gamble on noteworthy austin mattheus. He's healthy again. And you can sure see it. I mean zakheim and continues to be what he is connor. Mcdavid leon draisaitl Night against the ottawa interrupt. How abo- dry cycles goal wound. His feet were in the parking lot and he hammers at like what i want a shot or are you kidding me. Well as goal scorer. Okay just tell me how difficult that is impossible traits. It's obviously it's not impossible but don't forget he's not just standing there. He had to move to that place. Yeah he stick has to stay in front of the goal line or else it literally is impossible. Any beats the goalie short side inside the post. Here's the other thing. If you're oughta walk why would you cover him like when he broke through there. He's not even in a scoring swan. He wants to go stand there go ahead. Oh it's in the net hoops insulation soon as i saw it on. Like what a terrible goal you know. And i'm blaming goalie that then you watch the reap leaner like whole smokes that egypt do well. Here's the other thing. The guy that had the puck or you're not gonna be square up to connor mcdavid. No you're going to be. You're going to be them kidding. What are you gonna do. Yeah brilliant performances by leon and by connor mcdavid. But i'm not going with either as my okay. God who you got. Kevin fiala all. That was good last night. Wasn't it wednesday night. I just love stories like that. I mean seattle is a good hockey player. It's it's not like this one comes completely feel. The low it is is first career advert. It was just the feeder of the night right like this is a huge game for the minnesota wild against the colorado avalanche so the message was delivered by the wild in an eight three thumping of one of the top contenders in the national architect. Who's kidding who we throw out statement games a little too freely guys like me do anyway. I wouldn't lump you in that to me. That was a legit statement. Game and kevin fiala was such a big part of it so kevin fiala minnesota wild as it was a statement game to minnesota to their self to show that they could they could hang with these guys phillip group. Our was going to be my player of the game until until he couldn't get the puck out from behind him. Last night is like Or player of the week. I'm like yeah. I can't pick them now. Well you got a good one atom fox Okay tire performance players of the week presented by our friends at okay tire with over three hundred and thirty a locally owned okay. Tired stores across canada from coast to coast who've got you covered from top to tires. Check them out at okay. Tire dot com okay tire. It's going to be okay. Hundred seven hundred seventy slide into throat punch me. I'm a little feisty with throat punch. This week i'm waiting to jump. I'm going to jump on the back. Yours drake's so. I'm going to jump on the back of yours. Yeah i'm no disrespect. Intended here. Because i i am nothing but the utmost appreciation for the medical community especially for those like the individual that i'm in a lump in my throat punch who have committed countless hours in the fight against covid nineteen the educating of in this case the province of b. c. etc however provincial health minister bonnie henry him out this week and perhaps just applying semantics here basically said that the variant that is plaguing the vancouver. Canucks has not been legitimised right. Now i believe and i haven't. I haven't talked to the doctor henry about this. Obviously but when. I use the term semantics. It's because everyone is assumed it's the p. one the brazilian variant right. That is infected. The the vancouver canucks So in answering the question. I guess it's fair to say well that that hasn't been confirmed. Okay all right. What has been confirmed. Is that a very attacked. The vancouver canucks that can axes organization of confirmed that the national hockey league has confirmed that so the misinformation or the lack of transparency around. This story has been very very frustrating to me. So it's a throat punch who dr bonnie henry and a throat flick if you will to the nhl because this pisses me off. Because i've been invested in covering this story. nhl puts out a list everyday. The covert list only refers to the main roster players. Will the guys on the taxi squad. Don't count those cases. Don't matter like that. Does that make any sense to anybody. So people are piling on me and others who are reporting the complete story the facts. The facts are won. T one players as we're recording this three coaches and a member of the support staff total twenty-five all of those people that i don't give a rat's you know what what the nhl covert lists puts out on a daily basis but there again is the underbelly the dark side of social media right because rather than feel for all of the people in the families that are involved impacted societas with the vancouver canucks. They come after the reporters guys like me while he's a fear monger. He's inflating the numbers. He's doing this doing that. So it's a throat A throat flick and the reverse because thanks to vancouver canucks for coming out on wednesday in probably in response to bong henry and saying here are the facts. Here are the numbers. There was a variant. That has been identified that is hit our organization families are now being infected. Not just the players. This is a deep and serious concern. So i wrap it up with an acknowledgement and appreciation the vancouver canucks coming out and being as transparent as they felt they needed to be because it cleared up a lot of nonsense. Okay so drags. I think we're we're now at the point. Were thirteen months into this pandemic. We're all fed up to right here with at all and so my throat punch is to both the federal and the provincial governments for a lack of leadership and lack of clarity. Damn look we all know that. Everybody's figuring this out as they go along right but we're all in appreciation of the difficulty of this but there is no common sense and no clarity and direction. There is no leadership in this. So i thought the start of april would have been a great time to say. Okay we're we're dealing with this new variant. We don't know a lot about it. We're learning that it's more highly transmissible. Let's let's be a little more vigilant. Here are the do's and don'ts just make five or seven each if you give your kid twenty-seven instructions they can't follow them if you give them four they get a chance to follow them so why gum it up and mix it up and oh some schools goal. Some schools don't howl give a break to the teachers have spring break. Let them reset. Let them regroup let everybody take a little bit of time. I know we can't go on vacation but let everybody regroup a little bit. Put some guidelines out there now. The information information from the provincial governments and a lot of times is misdirection. In my opinion. It's not clear direction. It's misdirection look over here. Don't worry about that. they're look over here. Don't worry about that they're how about. Let's just have some clear guidelines. So i feel really grateful today after we're finished i'm going to get my first vaccine shot nice. So if gord miller wouldn't have walked me through the process. I wouldn't have really known where to sign on to get on the pharmacy less to put your name into various pharmacies. So you could get your shot now. Maybe i should know but that should be for everywhere you turn around. There should be information. Go here go here. Go here sign in here here in here. it's the most important issue that has been in our lifetimes. Yeah i think why are why are people having to guess what what do people do. They don't have a smartphone. how are they signing up. I guess that's the part that i wanna give a throat punch to. There was a lack of clarity and a lack of direction. I'm not saying that. They need to have all the answers. But there needs to be some clarity. And they're just is not well and for the record we try not to get too political or shumuel. Go after things on the podcast. People get enough of that by watching the news and going through twitter and all that but in fairness as you've just explain and i've gone through we don't have a choice. It's impacting our lives. It's impacting our professions. It's impacting the people that we cover. Obviously vancouver could oxygen. The teams have been associated. So we're not going to make a habit of this unless we don't have a choice and i don't feel like in episode seventeen of ranger eggs. We had much of a choice. All right good friend. Chris abbott cool dot co now. Join just for weekly stop. Rain griggs so many ways. We can go with this this week. Chris but i wanna go to the bizarre first and then the master seems pretty obvious. We'll get to that in just a second but as we were preparing for the podcasts. You explain to rain. I that their actual odds for wrestlemainia. Like how's this even possible. I mean it's all negatively scripted. Or at least that's my vision. I wouldn't call myself even a fringe. Fan of wrestlemainia acknowledged those who are die hard fans. But how can you back on something that seems so unreal right. It's like trying to bet on what happens on the friday episode of the young and the restless The same thing in scripted It's it's interesting but it's popular. So i think i yes and scripted. Yes he's somebody knows the outcome. So generally the betting limits on these things are are fairly low right like you could probably profit less than a hundred bucks on a single on a single bed but still you can profit hundred bucks. You know the answer. So money's money but what what we found over the years is that people are clamoring for this and you know it's sports entertainment. There's a winner and loser. People like to get involved. So what sports books do is put up some odds and and let people bet on it and then Hopefully they stick around and and play a little bit more. And that's the kind of a marketing angle more than anything One of the best you got on like the finishing move or i suppose you could. Yeah i mean. We don't have markets for that. But i know i remember the so last year. For example we how many german suplex brock listener it in his math. We had an over under and so then the market the the bookmakers. They hate us marketing guys for that because they're like this isn't real like how are we supposed to do this. I'm like well. You have to sit down and count. How many suplexes brock listener does saudi It's it's pretty funny but you know i. It's just one of these things. It's a bit of fun. It's interesting same thing for the royal rumble. Where edge a canadian one And i think he was like six to one to win the event so it was You know as a bit of fun and One of the really interesting things. Though is that because the outcomes are generally known the odds are usually prohibitive to betham. But i guess the news hasn't leaked out too much because When i look at some of our odds like minus two fifty for a winner minus one forty three like those are legit. Can you can bet on those and and not have too much risk. So that's a bit of fun. But i mean listen. I'm a huge wrestling guy. Or i was when i grew up. Yano gorilla monsoon. Bobby heenan Those guys the he's shaped my life for better or worse when you go back and listen to some of the comments but Absolutely loved it and glad that that we have odds honour well in super In wrestlemainia one which was in the silverdome in detroit. I was playing in hartford. Our team got a block at tickets to the hartford civic center. We watched it on the big screen. Like is closed. Shift it was closed circuit. Was we're in Coattail somehow he got the nickname coco. Beware so we call them. Coco the wrestler coco. Beware paul mcdermott. Used to hit the hit guys. He'd come around back of the net and just man he was big and tofte need run people over and there was a wrestler king kong bundy and his finisher move was the avalanche it so that hit got called the avalanche zone with derby would finish somebody off behind the net so we were huge wrestling fads back in the day. Amazing i modern model. My hairstyle after king. Kong bundy as well. I certainly get in with that. But i love it. I love it right. That's amazing that must have been so cool. I mean it was flanked. At that point there was still a realism to it. Like you knew. It wasn't real but people took it seriously. The hulk slammed andrea the giant. Like how could that not be real. Are you kidding. Well that israel by the ever seen the andre the giant documentary fascinating. I mean the life of andre. The giant and part of it was wrestling part of it was disease that he had which made him so gigantic. But i mean they used to pull You'd fly business class everywhere but they take rose out of the airplane so he could sit comfortably in hold a bottle of red wine in his hand and it looked like a small beerbaum drinks. I'm not kidding i. We ran into him in the airport in chicago. One time until the my nickname was peewee. Until they're like peewee. Stand up their stand up there so i went up and stood next door andre the giant and just kind of like off to the side walls or anything was drinking a beer in it was like a little lounge. It was like a toy in his hand. And i'd say lee had allowed guys guys. He had a sweat stain his back. It was this wide. The man was enormous. It must have been everything in effort to walk from here to there for the guy so we started the segment making fun of the fact that their odds on wrestlemainia and we've spent the better part of seven to ten minutes talking about greed. Stories from rustler's so okay. What are the odds for the masters. What are the odds for the masters. Let's go quick. Dj's got to be the favourite. That's a tough one. Dj is the favourite. I know you love your golf so dj and actually justin. Thomas are tied at ten to one as the favorite now with bryson just behind them at eleven to one by the time this drops around probably in the book so these odds will change. But you know all the big names are at the top and everything. I listened to this week guys talks about out. no no name guys in the masters it's always for the most part somebody you've heard over someone you care for. So that's why you see a lot of the big names at the top of the board. I've even heard people betting on patrick reed at plus thirty two hundred. So i don't know anything whether adapts not a patrick reed can play. He's a good guy to cheer for. He's tough to cheer for but he can play. He's one there before my darkhorse a guy that's never one is calling morikawa. I think he's a i that guy's gonna break through. I think the soccer bed is jordan. Spieth that everybody loves speed the one last week. He's not winning this week. That's that's my What do you call. Those are my tout's all right. Yes turn more cows more cows plus thirty two hundred as well. So i mean it thirty two times your money for a bet on him if if you want to get it in and then you got brooks plane on one knee a plus twenty five hundred so i mean some people are trying to be cute and say well. You never get him at that number. Well the reason 'cause they'll probably withdraw before it's all said and done so It's it's gonna be exciting everybody's fired up one of the things you can do as well as wait for the tournament to start. And then the odds will shift in. You'll be able to bet them mid tournament once you see where it started by yet. It's gonna be a real big weekend for for bedding will let you go this. But i mean can you bet on bryce shambo as an example is a love eight gut right and a lot of golf fans. Just can't stand him. Marietta reasons other news a terrific golfer. Can you bet on on a player that to miss the cut or do something ridiculous or you know. Shoot a seventy five around one or something along those lines. Yeah you can bet on guys missed the cut you can bet on him is thirteen. The one they're talking about him driving the green Whatever you can bet on whether he'll be able to do that. During the event you can bet on balls in the water on par threes all in one. It's you can. You can really your bankroll betting on all kinds of things on this event. If you really liked it and i love it probably four putts things like that right three putts for sure. The greens are so lightning quick at augusta this weekend or supposedly is always are always are all right. Chris actress habit from heal dot. Co joining us. Weekly here on the ranger eggs podcast. Thanks again buddy. Thanks so much guys take care. Enjoy the masters and wrestlemainia. Are you have to check out our social channels at rain. Rigs rain rigs dot com website. Gross out just posted a picture of himself and he explained a bit about a body who put his head on the body of bam bam bigelow. It is amazing kristie keys. Bam bam bigelow. That's the thing you put your head on bam bam bigelow reminded looks completely ridiculous and it appears to be exactly what it is photoshop. Nonsense chris abbott. Looks like bam bam bigelow. it'll i don't know if you want your gang to be a guy that's like six four three thirty five or whatever bam bam bigelow wins. but he. is. Chris alvin well. Thanks digress for sure awesome gals as well adt is terrific diaper. Ask rain grades. Anything effectively picketing episode seventeen. Ask ray androids anything but remind you. You can send your questions to us on twitter at rain rigs on our website where he engraved dot com. It's brought to you by envy dot ca. We love our andy mattresses. I know the ferraro family is. I know i've referred a whole bunch of friends and members to end the in. They're loving them as well. Just so good the experience overall. I mean you order the mattress rate. And it's like a day later this thing up in a box at your host it's awesome highlighting honesty. 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That's it's all like a tangled web. Okay while let's with all due respect to erin who submits the first question. I'm going to ask because it's an important question but there are hockey fans out. There will find it a bit idolizing because it's business specific right. One of the biggest ramifications of the flat salary gap anomaly trade deadline in free agency but the expansion draft for seattle. I mean it's a big question because there's multiple ways you can go with the ants. While i would say in relation to seattle also the caps eighty one point five seattle has to spend to a certain to the floor for sure seattle. What is the floor. Sixty four million drake some like the yeah sixteen threes and change. I think something like that so they also have to draft thirty one thirty players. They don't get to draft somebody from vegas right. Which is quite a perk for vegas all boy so of those thirty players. They draft twenty of them at the minimum. Have to be under contract for next year. So seattle has to draft at least twenty guys that are instantly in their organization and then they're free to spend draft and do whatever the heck they're going to do so the one of the things seattle's going to going to be able to do i think without question is find a team. They're not going to have to find him. 'cause he's jams are going to be calling. Ron francis like crazy and say iran. I got a great idea for you. Why don't you take this guy. That's gumming up my salary cap in the expansion draft. And ron's like yeah. I don't really want them. But i'd like them with a second round. Pick or like him with the first round pick and so in the past when vegas got all those extra picks it was because teams didn't wanna lose a certain player. I think this time drags it's going to be about the implications of the cap teams. Have no flexibility. No room no movement. And so they're going to be able to trade a player that is sticking in the middle of their salary cap to seattle. Seattle is going to be able to take that money but to do that. They're gonna take your assets as well. So johnny asked a similar question so i giving a Just a tip of the cap. Only who wanted to know a little bit more about base expansion and seattle would do things differently and you've kind of touched on that day even toronto who is most likely to lose ice time if the toronto maple leaves add what they need depends which think they need. Yeah i mean if you're at if you're looking at top six winger will. Then it's alex scale chernyak for sure. There's there's nobody else in the mix that's the guy that's gonna drop if they add a more physical rambunctious forward could it be thornton. Have a goal in nineteen games. I mean it's kind of a you know out of the way story right now because things are going pretty well but you've got it thornton player in thornton. That's playing ten minutes a game. It just can't find a way to produce anything and and that's a uncomfortable reality that that they're going to have to look at where it really slap me upside the head. It was a game against the montreal. Canadians or willie landry is unavailable because of protocols. Right they move mckay of up into the top sex not that is not an okay player. But i'm watching and he's got quickness and we are sure works hard. He's an effective player. But i'm all that's why they need another top six seven guy right they need. You need to have another option to move there by the way you know who i think of a lot dregs. And you'll know this player really well. When i watched mikheyev get another breakaway short handed. Pass four genova. I think from my day. I was going to say todd marceca bingo. How is that right yet. I'll have more shan would get three breakaways. a week. couldn't catch him. The guy was a rocket ship. And you just end up picking up the puck. You know in your goalies pads. Yeah he just couldn't finish that last bit. You imagine how much money he would have made. I mean that was a different era of is getting played. You know better than i do. But if you know if he had a twenty percent ratio upon on goals scored which might be high on. Breakaways should know man. He usually get a lot of them. Shorthanded you'd be clarified are would be like. Don't give it back here. Yeah because if they bob boom he was gone he was gone. He's a good man. I i used to have a lot of fun with todd back in the day with the oilers alright. So ring sabers. Fan poland at raise heartstrings. This year what do you got. I'll k. so this is from a collection of suffering sabres fans. It seems raise brother-in-law donny. Granato as discovered the secret. To some saber success is let ross ms darlene just be who rascals dolly is so do we think that donna granato as a legitimate chance of being higher as the buffalo sabres full time at while who knows what kevin adams is is is thinking Obviously i am biased. Don's my brother-in-law out. He's a fabulous coach. He's not just the guy back there that saying harassment. Go do whatever you wanna do right. There are parameters to the way the donnie coaches but there is a way that dawn empowers players to be what they can be. He's got zero eagle it. It's really remarkable when you talk to dawn. Hey you did a good job with this team. And he'll flip it and talk about the team talk about. He's done it forever. Everywhere that don has been there has been success and it's not an accident when he was with green bay back in the. Us h. l. When he got started when he won the calder cup don was on a fast track to being an nhl head coach and then he was diagnosed with With hodgkin's lymphoma so obviously treatment and recovery took priority and it's been a long road back but then he went to the national development team. Ask austin matthews what he thinks of him as jack michael what he thinks among these players these top players went through that program that blossom under dawn's leadership coaching. Don should be in. Nhl head coach. I hope buffalo goes on a run here and they take notice of what he has done. They've got points and five straight games. You'll be the first to tell you. It helps linus ullmark back in goal. Yeah right. But they're doing this with taylor whole i i you know. He hasn't mall due respect. He hasn't broken a sweat in three weeks. Jackals not in the lineup and they're still they have made marketed improvement. Yeah he's not. He's not a pushover either. First thing he did was he started working. Those guys way. Harder than ralph krueger was walking them like we need to work harder. We need to be in better shape. We need to be able to hunt the game better. Yeah so it's not been easy. Well i'm not bought is because i don't know donnie well at all. I don't have the same history. Obviously they you do But what i can do read a resume and for all the reasons that you've just spoke on. I think he has to be given top consideration to assume a position fulltime. He has to. I mean i've i've seen i've read. I've heard the rumors mate lehman because of his connection to kevin adams potentially being a front runner adams's living in it in the moment. If he can see the results and kim and teri guler the owners of the buffalo sabres see the results and they know what they have to go through and what they have to go through is going to be more than a renovation. I know that's word that bugs you because it's not it's either or it's not a renovation. It's a tweak. So if they're if they're headed towards a rebuild and it certainly would be if you're trading your cap and jackal in the offseason. Wouldn't you'll want somebody who's seen it. And donna and literally knows how to mold young stars not just young underdeveloped players on stars so yet breaks. The track record is sitting there to be looked at there is not there's not a An unknown with dawn. Will it be enough i may. Here's here's the other thing. Of course i you know. Badger him about you. Know what do you think. What do you think he's like. I don't know we got a game tomorrow in jersey out like he's really good at that me. I would be sitting there with a pencil and paper and trying to figure out this connection in that connection worried about things i can't control. He's not like that all right From jet fact heard the rumors guys. Ross lubbock for nikita zakharov. Were those true while jump in and say they were true more. I think in the summer conversation between stan. Moment and kevin chevrolet off. So now jenner fact is asking. Is it likely that chevy is pushing her still interested in zap zits or offers the door of zadora off. And what would it take to get that trade done. So i didn't even know this question was coming but i did. You see the mic'ed up addition of zadora off this week. No i didn't see you okay. So after we after we're done with this go logic. It's it's humorous. Because many talks a lot. And that's the sole purpose for making up a guy you don't want somebody who's not going to say anything right but everything from being a cheerleader. On the badge to communicating with either is is the partner or forward or whatever and he'll go time time time time no stuff like that not that much time and then i can't even remember who the replaying but somebody went after. It doesn't matter they're planning but somebody gave an extra swipe at the goalie and the big man came bruising in and just absolutely pull lasted this guy to the wall and he literally big russian is like dreidel with with rocky co. That is a monster. He's a monster was. He's six six six five something like that. Any lit release. is towering over. This guy. you gotta see it and don't talk to but in goalie and then somebody else comes into defender skating back to the bench and you can't hear what the other players saying to nikita but nikitas is like. Do it do what. I was watching. But it's tremendous so anyway. The gift is off. In relation to the winnipeg jets. I think the issue is that nikita either has say this about of players is really good. Games are really good games and his bad games are horrendous in in this particular game again you'll see he even comments he all. I guess i'm going to set my career game record in penalty minutes because he was in the box like well. I let me say this about about chevy in the jets here. Is that Last week trying to think who they were playing their forward blocked. Ohno pure luke dubois and four but ran together at forber left the game. He hurt his knee a little. Bit of an in that moment i went They gotta add another defenseman erik. Forward is really important for them and if he's out of the lineup your next guy's sammy nico wound and because nathan bowl us out for the season with shoulder surgery. I think the jets have to add a defenseman somebody with a little size and a little experience that if they have to go in they can play. They know they can play. The jets are a good team. Yeah and then you've got blake wheeler now kind of twist in the wind. A little bit right right. He's not going on that five game trip that starts today which is thursday indefinite injury. Concussion related symptoms. He took an eligible from brady. Could chuck ans- some stuff. Lingering so i think they just want to get a hold of it. Which is the right thing to do. Get him healthy for the playoffs. But that gums things up for chevy right. You know when it comes to the concussion stuff. There's no certain in any of that. He doesn't know that he's gonna put a wheeler on long-term drake's i think the one thing they will that is Would help the jackson and really the oilers and the canadians and of course the leave says there's almost been a line between the teams in the playoffs and teams out right so your plan. You're gonna be in those teams are going to be and so that may be bide some a little time to wait right. Even though the deadlines monday just they have time to wait. They're not gonna fall out of the playoffs. We've talked about the toronto. Blue are several questions about the lease from goaltending to whether we believe they're going to add that tops six forward so i'm not gonna lumping all that because look we know this toronto. There'll be ample reporting on what the leaves are doing For the next several days and of course when we record our emergency podcast. Host deadline will summarize all Employers question from db. I hope db isn't what i think it is a. It's one of my favorite phrases. I'm not gonna say you know there's a little e beggary going on here. Do the owners have a chance. Going forward with to backstrom goaltenders instead of a consistent number. One it's like having rolleston markkanen conklin a whole over again but with no pronger in front to help or bail them out. They haven't had a true number one since sallow so db is not impressed with the goaltending of the edmonton oilers. Well d be. I would say your problems sit there. They sit elsewhere as well. If you're thinking about a a a stanley cup yeah right. So you could pay ten million dollars for carey price. But you're paying twelve and a half for connor mcdavid and you're paying eight and a half for leon draisaitl worth every penny of. That's twenty one million bucks into guys right. Where are you getting a goalie. The one that he's talking about. Yeah where are you getting him. You like i think fans sometimes live in a fantasy world like you can only put eighty one million dollars into an eighty one million dollars cap. I have this free. You can't put five pounds. A sand in a four pound jar doesn't fail so those goal. Easy mentioned with oprah they mean the stanley cup final game seven that year. Yeah was far mike. Smith has been as good as any goalie in the north this year. Do i trust it. I don't know but they're paying them a million and a half box this summer can haul it's going to have upwards of thirty million dollars spend if you think. He spent an eight million dollars on a goalie. You're wrong because they've got to do something with ryan nugent hopkins. Either sign him or try and sign a replacement if they can't get him signed right darnell nurses coming right around the corner. He's thirteen goals. What do you think he's gonna cost. They don't need with these guys they have. They need about three fifteen goals scores to go around them. They don't need a forty goal score because those guys are so good what they're where they are going to need to spend dregs is find out can oscar cleft bom come back because he's a hell of a player and if he can maybe they're going to be okay whenever and bouchard takes one of those jobs on the blue line. Yeah you're probably cut tyson barrie loose. He's gonna wind. He's gonna make too much money too much money. I'm going to say something. I'm going to suggest something. Outrageous loved ray just dot climate. Oh yeah. Toronto maple leafs are able to pay zakheim. At least fair value not even fair market value because fear value. Drake's five plus plus. Why wouldn't the again depending you've got. Rioting john hopkins like you said. I mean kenny's invested a lot of time in that go chichan. He'll exhausted but it's going to be a deal that makes sense to the owners. Not overpay just because ryan hopkins has been a great teammate. And a wonderful delay in fifty million dollars. You're exactly right you know. Sorry it's a business. You're zach hyman and the leafs can't pay you more than four and a quarter just again. We're just making this up. I am i am. But which is a hefty raise based way makes right now. He's a toronto kid. Loves playing for the leaf says they all do. I'm sure he wants to win. Nothing more than wanting to win the stanley cup of matthew's admire all of his buddies. But the business does take priority. And he's earned his place pending unrestricted free agent. And now you're looking at it. You're gonna to wait a second. Maybe i can get the money that i've earned and i'm trading minor matthews or connor. And leon that's not such a bad deal. I don't think it takes too much creativity to imagine what that conversation is going to go like right right. Like if you're the oilers of course you're you're going to Talk to zach hyman. How many teams are going to be in that list to talk. Zach hyman like honestly what a year is having but here i will say this. He's gonna make a bucket load a money and if you've listened to me broadcast the league games you know how much i like. An admire his style of play. Gotta be careful. This is a career year. You have to be careful thinking that zakheim. It is going to score on thirty goal pace every year. Because he's on. He had twenty one goals two years in a row. I think he's got thirteen right now. Maybe fourteen yeah and it seems like every game. He's on the scoresheet. That's not the case. But that's what it seems like right but five plus. Yeah i'm paying him that. Because i think he makes life easier for the big boys that he plays with right right and the game against montreal canadiens and luck. This isn't a fan club of zakheim in show. It's just one this knowledgeable about goodies. He is you take a shot in the foot right the end of that game basically at the end and he's trying to clear the zone montreal within that empty you know. They've pressured corey pair. We talked about earlier in the podcast. Doing what he does he take the shot in the foot. And you know how much that hurts. And he can't get off the ice. He's not trying to get off the ice. He's trying to make a play to clear the zone to end the hockey game while they're successful they they kill the clock and he he literally the first thing that comes to mind. Is he skating towards jack campbell with his foot in the air hurt so bad but he's got to acknowledge and celebrate with his teammates. So he's not worried about his own wellbeing. He's just going to the crease. When like when he blocked at it just seems like that's what he does on a game to game basis. I will say like. I'm cognizant of how much i talk about him during the leaf game area. And i'm like okay. I got back the train up a little bit here. When pavel datsyuk was playing in detroit. I had to remind myself i wrote it on my sheet enough of thirteen last pavel that guy take a drink of water and i'd be like oh look at how we drank water. I just love the everything that data. Who did i wanted to play. Like pavel datsyuk. If i can reinvent myself it would have been that. that's awesome. I think we've chewed through a bunch but i i do want to give a little bit of love and this is again is a washer. Okay it's vancouver related and i don't dive too deep into the speculation especially when it comes to the young players because you run into trouble right the team. That owns us player. 'cause he would later and go. What are you even mentioning that for. It's it's not going to happen it's silly anyway. Were mentioning it because we're on a podcast from k. Man any chance jack. Us could make his way to vancouver become vancouver. Canucks put a smile on clinton's face finally. So does quinn not smile enough. That an issue in vancouver like what will. I don't know. I've talked to several times. He's a super engaging kit like is he's supposed to be giggle guy out in in public during the games. I never put any could jack hughes adhere to be like no no like how. How is that going to happen. So you're saying paterson for us. Who says now okay. have we all know. Have we just about had enough of these articles. Who says no no me. I see no to all of them. See i i give the the writers those articles a little bit of flexibility because doing insider trading twice a week okay to this stage leading up to the trade deadline. It's shooting fish in a barrel. Right you're gonna have not might happen all of those things but in the early days of the regular season. There's nothing going on in. You've got to come up with four minutes of content. I can appreciate these. These journalists sitting there going. I got nothing. The cupboard is bare. who says no. It's time i get it. I mean i just like. I'm looking at the deals on. Like who says no both teams who wanted on the next one anyway but ever but i don't i don't see you know what maybe the way that Quinn gets to play with one of his siblings. Maybe they draft his brother fair point. That might be easy. Way might have been the easy with this. One again. Sculpted of questionable. Wrap it up on this. Because i bring it up because it is a concern and it actually applies to the trade deadline in what the boston bruins may or may not do its rich rich is asking as to karasu potentially played his final game for the boston bruins and we can't answer yes or no to that because we flat don't have the answer. I know there's concern about is considerable concern about his health. They don't know the the the prognosis and even though the boston. Bruins were definitely in palmeri. Mary in on taylor hall. I think the dawn sweeney is very cognizant of you gotta be careful right like you can't you. If there's an opportunity to add a piece like that without overpaying then you do it but if you're uneasy about what to ca- situation is maybe this isn't a year to do that. That that sense to you right. It really feels in boston like they don't want to have a transition year but the have to have one you know like just think of their you know. Their defense is extremely young and inexperienced they lose crew. They lose chara pretty hard to expect. You're going to be the you know the same team. They could use another forward for sure. So now you're looking at a couple of bigger pieces. Now you've got the question goal. They played their young kid Wayman the other night got his first. Nhl win you know. Maybe it is time to even though they don't wanna burn year berge as he gets older. Maybe that's just what you have to do. All right buddy. I that was good. That was funny. We got to ten questions are so we should do this. I don't know a every few months. Maybe what he's not crack it open. Let the let the mail bag fill up and yeah you know and then we should you know and yeah for sure what's It's thursday halfway through the podcast when it clicked over eight o'clock. Am pacific time. Just if you might have noticed. I'm looking over this. My tv watching the masters two masters over there. Yeah of course. I am going to get my first vaccine today as i mentioned earlier and then Then i got to go by someone espresso coffee. I'm out of amount of my coffee. Really how many espressos do do. Don't miss wrestle own ness brosseau by the way. What a great machine that is really love it the little pods. Put the part in you. Get your different kinds of coffee. You've got got the espresso you've got the medium wants the four todd the photos the intensive with my morning coffee is like i'm not a coffee. I gotta go. I'm trying to think which world championship it was And where we were staying. It might have been denmark few years back but the hotel we stayed in. All of our rooms had a nice little boy. You had the palatial suite. I mean you're right ferraro. You endured and p. auguring Palatial swedes and the rest of us peasants actually have to stay on the lower floors of the hotel. You know it was one of my favorite. They don't lose your story about the coffee. One of my favorite things that i did there with my room looked where you in rishaad will do the stand ups. And i'd look out there. Knuckleheads would be taping something and you cannot stop needling ryan. Rashad can't do it. I'm watching in your like your ties. Wrong fix your jacket. You were on him. And i'm watching from my window a floor above all of that like my afternoon comedy. There are two reporters actually two and a half because so sarah alaska has an example. Does great work. You know host winnipeg jets games. You do a ton of those every time. I'm on that talkie or a c. Sarah pop up on camera. I take my cameras out. And i'm just blast photo right because when you do that you know you get the mouth half old one. I rose all of that. And i just stopped this dolphin every so often when i'm feeling a little ridiculous texter picture. Hey sir how you doing in. It's inevitably with her face. Twisted do that to rashad. Endlessly specially with his hair. And sarah volley all the time so anyway i will say i have seen a picture that perhaps when. I've mentioned you to sarah. That she is sent to me. Rager face yeah. She's got lots dreger face is in contortion in jolly actually pretty good stuff. Yeah she she's very good at it but seravalli two way. Yeah well because he makes it so easy. We have the return feed when we're taping insider trading right. And sometimes he's behind. So i i mean when i'm in studio k let the makeup artists throw a little bit of powder on this old crack face in way you go at home. I don't even really bother like hitting my own studio frank as the you'll bra doesn't while the rest of us can see. He's doing it on does that because he doesn't care. It doesn't care nurse judy. I take advantage of those things to just wrap up the coffee story One of the great things about that hotel in denmark was the little slide out coffey corner and it adds an espresso pods all man. I look forward that. I mean we always have great breakfast. wheat your. Because we're not doing it again. I need a suit right. It's the culture all of those things but those are the little details on the takeaway that i enjoy the most. So i'm i'm a big fan of espresso. I i got it for my birthday last year. I didn't know how much are we gonna like it. Nice it is phenomenal. That a cami gift or one. The kid is a gift and then you but the best part is you get the by the coffee that you like the taste that you like are a couple of different ones and oh of labored coffee got no no but just different intensities and you get the espresso for the afternoon. You know. 'cause i'm i'm so refined as you know lots. There's lots of refinery in trail bc accent. It's a lead and zinc smelter. That's the refinery them scout. Terp me from trail bbc on twitter. I didn't respond. I just. I've learned not to do that anymore. I can't remember what it was about but took a swipe of being unlike. Why would you do that when the bio says you know. A sculptor solan so team from trail. The guy can read it. I can see it. I can find out who you are. Why would you do this to me. You're just poking the bear. And i did i just well. That's a maturity for you. Drink lincoln all right. 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"Please welcome the commission of the general gary bettman. Bullying is okay. It just means you're a hockey ready. Welcome to a cookie. Seattle expansion draft addition podcast presented by the gmc sierra at four elliott. We have a lot to get to a lot to get through. We're gonna cram as much in as we can you know. Hopefully we'll ceo works out Short amount of time But before we get to the specifics of the draft and what's going to happen on thursday and the deals and in some cases lack of deals and the surprises. How would you describe. Wednesday was a whirlwind. There's no question about that. If the nhl wants to stop all this from getting out they have to move the submission time closer to the actual draft. And i realized that sometimes. That's a challenge. Because you've got to make sure that they've made all these picks that are legal and you've gotta make sure they've done a followed the rules but if you'll remember in two thousand seventeen we knew all the vegas picks. I think the only one that was late was chris. Thorburn who was vegas picked from the jets. Think that was the last one to get out but we knew all of those picks earlier. You're the other thing about that. One was it was the night after the h. l. awards right so we knew all the picks but all the media was there. The hockey world was there. I think. Seattle and the nhl did the best they could considering just the overall restrictions of life right now. That vegas thing was a huge party and everybody was there. I that's what everybody's forgotten is that we knew everybody who going to be taken. The surprise was just who showed up right. You know when flurry walked out and things like that. I just remember the big ovation. How excited the crowd wise. So i mean the only way the nhl is gonna stop. This is they're going to somehow while first of all. I hope we don't have another expansion anytime soon. But secondly you're gonna have a fine to have have to find a different way of proving like maybe what you don't do is you say okay. We're gonna find five players who we find out well advance or being taken or they're geographically close to being taken or we say you guys are the only ones that we're going to know and then maybe thirty minutes before the show you get a situation where everybody else is told Oh this is the second in two thousand seventeen. I remember players complaining to me that it was all getting out and the same thing happened today that some people don't care. Some people were really disappointed. I got more. Dm's you know. Obviously you know. Frank was the guy who broke most of the pecs but i got more. Dm's than ever today from people telling me to shut the bleep up because they didn't want it ruined the. It was a lot so the nhl has to find a better way to do this. But you know i'll tell you something. Seattle started calling teams about an hour after the deadline which was ten. Am eastern and saying this is we've taken from your team and it was getting out like it's that simple. If you give people eight hours lead time they're gonna find out to the expansion draft itself and going into more of the big questions. The big question was would seattle take carey price from montreal. The answer no kill flurry. come on down. What did the price thing ultimately come down to. I think ultimately it came down to seattle. Didn't feel they had a great picture of what is health is or potentially could be. There's a lot of frustration between seattle and montreal. I know seattle complained about it. They felt montreal avoided the true spirit of the expansion draft. They felt that they didn't really get a clear picture of what prices potentially facing. And i don't know if they would have taken him. I think it quite simply. It's pretty obvious by what they did that they wanted. Financial flexibility. Look at the lot of the deals is not a lot of term there. They went to five years to get alexi. Ac and i think that's because teams like dallas and potentially winnipeg and colorado were all over him if he got to the market dallas to resign those other teams to keep them or to go get him and i just think that seattle new if they wanted him. They had to get there other than that. They didn't take a lot of term. And the thing with prices. I just think at the end of the day with the limited amount that they knew they felt. They didn't feel comfortable enough in taking that contract because they weren't sure what is injury status is and i know that bothered them. I think they they really felt they weren't given true fairness on prices medical situation other big names at the expansion draft. Let's let's pause and have a conversation about mark. sure dan. this was an obvious one. This was the layup this was the you know polite putt for par applause after you make the pick because we all saw this coming a mile away. The only question. I think that people have a butcher data when seattle is. How long will he be a member of the cracking with all the rumors about the rangers and there was the oilers like you have a sense of the plan. For dano here. Do you think they're bringing him in. If they're flipping him. Yes no. Could you not see that. I know now first of all i think this was a very emotional period for giordano and he kind of admitted that when he spoke to the media after the event on wednesday night. I think he was hoping that somehow the flames and the crack in would reach a deal to keep them there. You were right. They were asking for a first third. You nailed that last week. In our podcast. Calgary was not willing to pay that you know. I think calgary hope that maybe that would change that. Maybe it was a bluff in in the last minute it would change in it. Never did i think the flames also like some teams made deals in advance like arvidsson and things like that or graves or mccann. I believe calgary talked about moving giordano. If he wasn't comfortable in seattle. Is there somewhere else he wanted to go. And other teams just weren't willing to make those deals because of their own expansion issues. And i think up until tuesday night late slash wednesday early wednesday morning i think jordan was hoping somehow it might change. And it's not that he doesn't want to go to seattle. It's just that. He's obviously so connected to calgary. I don't think jeff if you're bringing guy there and putting them through that. Are you really flipping him. I be shocked. And secondly i do think the rangers are looking for a left hand d. There's another guy that seattle drafted who i wonder fits a bit better and that's carson susie because his cap hit isn't as high you know. The rangers really have some tough negotiations going on right now there's hysterical and fox next year i know jordan house only got one year left on his deal. But you know. Suzy kind of fits a lower number. I'm not convinced. Rain was getting traded. I think the rangers are looking for a guy who fits his profile. But i don't know are you bringing that guy all the way in there to flip them. I'm i'm not convinced of that. And francis said tonight what a player had bet me and that is that he's a good chance to be their first captain Surprised that there were no deals before this raft. There's one at least it's tyler pit lick. No no sorry sorry. Sorry no trades heading into this draft. Yeah will be trade but after the selection has already been made and we'll find out about that thursday afternoon after one o'clock eastern and pit. Lick is probably calgary. But i think philly's in there too but yeah i mean i am. I think we all thought that there would be some well. First of all francis said the teams were better prepared for at this time. But i'm curious to see where this goes. I'm also still wondering about free agents like i wonder. If there's like the one guy is you know. I've been on for a week now. Jaden schwartz. i think seattle really had interest in yup and they had a pretty serious negotiation with them. I wonder if that's still turns up to be the case down the road. We'll see but i was surprised. There weren't more trades. We'll see does that see i. I was surprised that it and i have two questions about it. One is that a reflection of how general managers felt coming off vegas expansion where they were much more aligned with. Just take the player that you want. We're not making any more deals. We already handed you a stanley cup finalist. Once we're not gonna do it twice or has you mentioned the first and the third prices just too high. While i think there's probably a combination of both but also if you don't think you can make trades you can't walk yourself into a cap problem if you look at some of the expansion selections there are guys who are not going to get you into cap trouble coal in from vancouver for example alexander true. He's not gonna get you into a cat problem. From san jose gavin beyreuther from columbus nathan bastion from new jersey carson. Our ski philly had a lot of guys that could get you into trouble carson torrance kitty. No vantage from the capitals. I think a really good pick. But they stayed away from dylan and scholtz for example. So that's what i think it was. Some of those picks were about to is. If we can't make deals make sure we don't lock ourselves into a problem. Well that's an interesting point that we should get to hear. It seemed as if listen ron francis. Talked a lot about having cap flexibility. And even though he's been given the green light to let the salary cap act as a magnet and suck as much money upwards as possible. You know fifty two point. Six million dollars is what these players today cost at twenty nine million dollars in cap space remaining this all according to cap friendly. This is ron francis. True to his word is not yes it is. We cannot column aligarh and that leads me to wonder what still could happen in. Free agency Mentioned schwartz you know what else could be there. You know where they're really thin. Is there thin at center they are. You know renault reported tonight. That yanni gourd is going to be out for the start of the season know. I'm not convinced about this. Giordano deal but i do think. They've talked to the rangers about strong. I do think that's a guy they've talked about. Does that mean filipino. Or something like that. Are they thinking about offer sheets. I mean i doubt it but you never know. I think it's going to be interesting that they've got a lot of room to do a lot of things and that's the position that really stood out for me is center of all the positions. I think they're thin at. It's that one We've talked with us being the goofiest and perhaps richest free agent situation The nhl is seen in quite some time in the off season. If you're gonna hit into a summer like this whether you're an expansion team or not you want to have the most salary cap space possible Like did you look at these pictures. And say i guess you're sort of already winking at this. You know what let's get this over with. Let's make this as as painless as possible from a salary cap point of view and then let's go shopping and there's two big names out there. We can go shopping to try to get in our basket. Having looked at all the players that got picked. It seemed as if that was a deliberate strategy. No question i like their d. yup de looks good. I actually don't mind their goaltending. If they're all staying. You know the one thing about the cord. That's really interesting waiver exempt. So they've got some flexibility there in their third position I like that. Pick by the way you and i talked about this last year. The beginning this season someone the organization to the beginning of the year said. Don't be surprised the if If ultimately joey accords the best goaltender in the ottawa senators organization. And they kind of chuckled. A little a said no. I'm serious this guy is good to me. That's a sneaky could pick by seattle. That's not gonna get a lot of headlines. Was there one and perhaps the answer from his carolina. Was there one team. You're surprised by the pick from seattle. Because morgan geeky over players like jake. Bean to me is more than an eyebrow raiser was there one team out there. Few the assad. That's an interesting choice. I didn't know they'd go that direction. Well when i heard beyreuther that was one of them. Just because i definitely didn't know they were going to go in that direction. You have kevin stenlund. Yes you did. Okay i thought. John quenneville. I thought they might take the door of so. Quenneville from the blackhawks was another guy. That kinda surprised me a little bit. Hayden flurry didn't surprise me. I i. I wasn't shocked at all. I know what the kings i really liked. The curtis mcdermott pick. But some people thought they'd pick Calc lake so i was. I was kinda zeroed in on that. But i like mcdermott a lot. Like you saw dave paxton talk about team. You know mcdermott pretty good team guy. He's very tough elliott. Yes really really tough hockey player. yes he is. What did you make of the jordan. Abberley selection. I think they really wrestled without one. He could've gone. Bailey coulda gone bellows. Yeah i thought they really wrestled with it. You know balian and have the same term. there's a little bit more money on On abberley as opposed to bailey. I think but i heard they really wrestled that one just to figure out. Okay which of these two do we do. We want you know. I think the allens are going to be interesting. I know how much lamelo loves rumors about his deal. I'm about as guys. But i know there's there's some teams wondering if they're going to be able to fit bo villi there with everything else that he's gonna try and do. That's going to be a situation to watch. I think. I think the other. Big surprise is larson. I again jeff. I've said a couple of times. It really looked like this deal was going to get done and i spoke to another player there today. After that got announced that he was going to seattle at basically the same money they edmonton was willing to pay. Its not like the crack and a blue the other side of the water here and you know they just said he was a guy looking for a fresh start you know. He's been through a law. His father passed away and how emotional that was for him. You know cleft bomb leaving. They said that was a bit of a factor to bite. You know one of the players said to me that they just wondered if he ever felt comfortable they're like going to edmonton in that. Whole maelstrom of the taylor hall deal and all of the one for wind jokes and and things like that. They said to me that adam larsson never felt comfortable in edmonton because of the way he got there and they just think that with a way it started and and cleft bomb and the family challenges you went through that it was just like you know what it's time to go do something else that would make sense. And that's one thing that we don't talk about enough when your those two and their performance were married for a long time. Who's going to win this deal House larson playing measure. That off against taylor hall as ridiculous as that might be. Because one's a defenseman wanna left winger. It did happen right and listen. We've seen it. We saw was su ban and weber like the high profile ones. This is what happens and we never consider what that does to the player who's considered the inferior of the two. We never talk about what type of mental grind. That puts you through like i always wondered. You know what happened. You know what went through the mind of Of tom kurvers in toronto. After that deal and after you know look at turned into You know. Tom kurvers for the draft. Pick that turned into scott neater buyer like that could not have been easy for the late. Tom rivers at all. That must've been awful and we never consider that. We never considered it. I remember when i covered the montreal. Expos it's spring training one year. It was the year after. They traded pedro martinez and one of the pictures. They trade him for was tony. Armas junior at locked. I didn't interview with him. And oh i just remember him looking at me during the interview. Singham i'm going to have to deal with this all the time other deals around the nhl other stories around the nhl right now. We'll start with hall taylor hall. We just mentioned him with that tattooed trade and now adam larsson has left. He's member of these. We should get the compensation here as well. Seattle crack adam larsson. Seattle cracking jamie alexia larson. Four years for av alexia. Five years for point six by the way do not feeling that alexia leaving almost and i know you're gentleman g you don't to take things personally but they feel like this one might personally hurt. Jim nill i always got the sense that he really loved jamie alexia. They brought them back. Remember after he went to pittsburgh thr- autumn back had great success held onto him at deadline. Winnipeg was pushing hard. Thought it was going to get done. Loved the guy off to seattle thought on that one. They almost trade him at the deadline. There was a lot of interest. Like i said. Winnipeg colorado dallas themselves. They obviously really liked him. If you're going to get outbid you're going to get outbid. It wasn't like dallas didn't try here. They got beat by a big offer. That is offer. Okay taylor hall. And the boston bruins. What's the latest okay so at one. Pm eastern the freeze lists I think the first deal we could see down is barkley good role. That one should be announced on thursday taylor hall and boston. They're working towards it there. I think there's a hope that that one gets announced on thursday times. Six ish zakheim in. I think that's gonna come down to does toronto make trade at least don't have a ton of picks they've trade a lot of picks they might wanna get one back from edmonton by hyman was in edmonson on wednesday. Like to me if they're gonna make a deal with the maple leafs. It's an eight year deal and it could be announced as soon as thursday. It's a seven year deal that probably gets announced on the twenty eighth. That's kind of what we're looking at here. And i think it's going to come in the total dollar amount. I think is probably gonna come in somewhere around. Forty million give or take a little bit if it's an eight year deal. I think it's gonna be fortyish regardless of whether it's eight or seven. That's a whopper of deal for zach. Hyman and we said last week in toronto went to eight years. But i don't think the av is where it's going to be here even just like looking at the career and time in the nhl like he'll go from playing with austin matthews to playing with connor. Mcdavid whatever he did in a previous life elliott blossom. He must have done a lot of good things to deserve that in this life. also mike smith. I believe chris said it is two year deal chris. Sit around two million. I think i'd heard maybe two point two five. But i tend to believe chris around two million i. I wonder if they're going to do something that we're not seeing on defense yet. Free agent or trade. I don't know but they've made the one move. I could be totally wrong about this. But someone said to me that they think they could be. The draft is on. The horizon are round on friday. Two through seven on saturday and then next week of course is the free agent extravaganza designing season on the twenty eighth. How much activity do you expect around the draft. And we've had we've had a lot of gm's talking aggressively for a longtime here now and early when that happens you get action at the draft. Would you expect well. I think that there will be. I mean says jones. Jack eichel those are a couple of names and you know someone said to me you know normally at the draft. It's the last minute it's the deal at the last minute. But he felt that there might be some teams. That wanna go early just because this year's draft is such a crap shoot as you know that they might want to give themselves a bit more time to adjust if they have to move positions seth jones. I still wonder about seattle. Somebody was saying to me that they think chicago is still in there. And they're trying to find ways to do it without including like a doctor debrincat like is there anything else. They can do Not including those two particular players. But i think that'll be big over twenty four to forty hours and so we'll be eichel last week. I said that you know. I i thought or whenever the last day we was we did the podcast that some of the teams were out. Will someone said to me today. That maybe a couple of those teams might be edging back in the other thing too is calories. Got a lot of caparo now. What are they going to do with that she. I always wondered about the market. I wonder about that marketplace and You look at bradsher living how listen we understand. The giordano was upset. Bradsher living was upset as well. You would imagine calgary flames fans Could use a good news story right about now. They just lost their captain top defenceman norris trophy winner etcetera set the tone culture conversation. All of it. I would feel that. If i'm brad tra- living i need to do something here. I think that's the most dangerous thing time you're in when you feel you need to do something. You agree with that. By the way i wouldn't know i hate that feeling. That feeling of i need to do something. That's when you walk into a disaster. That's when you take yourself and you know you flood your own basement because you think you can fix things. So calgary an interesting team Seattle interesting as well. Plenty of cap space. Plenty of opportunity. We have not heard the last this summer from seattle crack. And thank you very much any other teams as we wrap up this quickly Post expansion pod any other teams that keep our eyes on other teams to keep our eyes on minnesota definite one. I think they want to do things. Still surprised. cabinet didn't go. I was but they must really like susie florida. I think florida's trying to get some extensions done when berg bannet ver he and possibly even barkov. I think they're trying to get a lot of their business done. Lamelo no question about it. Talk briefly abo- pavilion. I think those are the teams that really stand vancouver. I mean they're trying to make some moves no question about it. We'll see what happens okay. So we're gonna finish up the pod. There there are more things on the horizon in the nhl. We just mentioned the nhl draft will join you after that at some point on the weekend But wanted to keep this one brief. Keep this one quick. A lot of things would change on thursday after one o'clock eastern and the tree freeze left's this might be a record. Twenty six minutes. I think this podcast clocks in. That's that's a record for these too wordy gentlemen but i'm pretty sure that ammos happy he doesn't have to edit another ninety minute monstrosity. Taking us out today victoria. bc based drummer and songwriter. Best known as the drummer for old soul rebel. Michael wilford upcoming single rattle. 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498: Sens Fall 6-5 to Toronto; Happy NHL Trade Deadline Day!!

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498: Sens Fall 6-5 to Toronto; Happy NHL Trade Deadline Day!!

"The steve worn projects sports. And whatever. yes welcome the. Wpa reveling in daily tales of sports. Whatever as we record this. We're coming off a week and hope you had a great one. The mighty santa coming off a saturday loss to toronto and getting ready for the trade deadline on monday. And since this is such an interesting time for the sense on my co host today is going. To be. The guy we affectionately. Call the coach gregg. Kennedy's my co host on the sends nation. Podcast that's the other podcast. I do and greg's head. Coaching junior hockey in alberta yali deal and co hosts who are from alberta jimmy expected to be back for our next episode but glide to have the coach along. Greg how things i understand. Hockey's finally back for you guys. We are playing hockey. Steve were now officially one and one. We play both friday night and saturday night against the home and home with the northern alberta tomahawks and we're one and one in were on her way and just so happy to be playing hockey excellent and for context for our s w p listeners You are the head coach of the slave lake ice dogs. yeah basically moving from ottawa. To slave lake alberta. How long ago did you do that too. Now finally coach some hockey. I was here one hundred and thirty nine days before we play the game. Wow yeah i got here like late november. It didn't exactly get off to a smooth start. Did it no We played friday night and the The arena staff refused to let us play until he received an email from the governor alberda with assigned a signed copy of our exemption which we which we applied for and got through albert health and Alberta health told us we'd have it before the start of the game. The game was supposed to be at four thirty. And we're all standing around waiting for it and it's four thirty five o'clock five thirty our thinking. It's friday it's five thirty the government. Nothing's going to happen. Finally by six o'clock we said okay. We give up boys. Let's address it. I got guys in the shower when the email committed six fifteen so all we can figure. Is that the government. Thought we were playing till seven thirty. Ever gonna wait and send it later dram or something so so we scrambled and got back on the ice and play a game and won so there. We are very nice while glad to hear it. we should jump into day though. Greg and let's start today on the sends nation podcast by bouncing it back to saturday in toronto called fort. Be of a step here. Tried to cut in scores sipping straight games with a goal and the lead. Now one. I said that clip courtesy of cbc slash sports nets connor brown with a team record. Seven-game goal-scoring streak for those scoring at home. He shared the record with a bunch of other guys at six with drake. Batasuna did it earlier. this year. daniel offer jason spencer. dany heatley. and. Bob kudelski greg to set a team goal scoring streak record connor brown of all people. I mean how many times have we talked about epa and episodes this year about how snake bit and that guy seemed to be around the other teams net. Yeah it's pretty impressive. You look at that list of people in your like Everybody seems to fit on that list. Except maybe Bob cadel ski and And connor brown. But you know the. The kid did put up stats. He had a decent career in in erie of the gel playing with connor mcdavid. He did very well in toronto playing on the top line. All the time he really is a A swiss army knife. He could play anywhere. Your lineup upper down your lineup. Third line fourth line second line. He can certainly play an atop live role. He's done that before. Too kills penalties. You gets power play time. So yeah he and as we've said all year man he gets a lot of opportunities. I'm sure he leads the nhl breakaways. So it's kind of a surprise but it's not really surprised because he's because he's a guy gets a lot of minutes and a lot of shots and a lot of chances so it makes sense that you know if could bury a few. Why can't he score every night. It's got a couple of years left on his contract. So we're not having the discussion. We had this time last year. The nhl trade deadline jj pozo pasha was up for a new contract and ended up getting traded the islanders for a first rounder and immediately signing with the islanders. I think it was a five million dollar a year contract over five or six one of the two. We had the discussion at that time. Here on the show about the value of a guy like j. g. Pasho can he be party. Your stanley cup solution. Moving forward if he slotted right and does the money fit right now. Does right now for For connor brown. I always swiss army knife. But i still feel like that guy can be part of anybody's stanley cup recipe. He can be a real nice ingredient in that where he with connor brownies. Still in the same kind of mode you were with. Jj pasha in that. You only wanna pay so much for that type of player. Yeah i yes exactly Yes he's part of a stanley cup team. He's part of a team that can that can win a cop in third line role probably the third line checking winger Penalty killer maybe. He's a net front guy in a second power play unit. But he's the kinda guy you need. You need these these types of players to win and he can go up and down your lineup. Like i think. Back to remember when zach smith was here and there was a whole whack of injuries and suddenly. He was the number one center for a couple of weeks. You'll know better than i. What year that was. But he put up some decent stats. Yeah they get twenty five goal season. I think yeah you know. Econo- browns of same type of player honest hardworking guy got a little bit of skill on the offensive side. Definitely has a high hockey. I q and can play anywhere near light up. And he's the kind of guy you need if you're going to win you just don't want him on your top line regularly. You don't even want him on your second line regularly. You were playing on a top two or three team in the league He's probably playing on the third line if he's on the first line it's only because he's there to as defensive presence with two studs otherwise third-line guide so thou you have to factor in all right. How much do we pay third-line guy and that's where you might have a bit of a problem here Down the road on. I'm not sure you were trying to remember what it is. That he voided. What is he making right now. Do you remember. I think he's around three and a half three eight You're absolutely right. He's making three six. So that's not bad like not a problem at all with that kind of money. I hear everything you're saying. I still maintain an. He certainly can help. Be a defensive presence. But i also think that there's a chance that that guy 'cause even more than jj pozo he's creating all the time you've mentioned before about. Does that guy dr. A line in our conversations for example about above guinea often the answer's no whereas connor brown is driving lines. Right now. whatever line he's on like he's not only a great defensive presence but he's making crap happen. Josh norris school like connor brown won't be on the scoresheet for an assist on that but he's the guy that went into the corner with two leafs went down in a heap big mass and forced a turnover that ended up on norris's stick. Sorry i it. Went out to. I think it was atherton and the not norris but making stuff happen creating chances and you know he'll be well off in my theory here well off what his to linemates will do as far as actual stats go. Maybe but i still think that that guy might have a home on a top six situation again. Like i said with skill players right like like yes. He is your stereotypical third-line grinding winger. But if you've got to high end skill guys he will fit in very nicely and compliment them. He provides the defensive conscience. He provides the pressure he's an f. one presence And you're right. Both the first goal yesterday was purely from four. Check pressure That's the kind of game that he plays. He really fits in to the kinda game that it's the dj. Smith wants this team to play. So that's benefiting him as well right his. His minutes are higher than they probably ever been in his career. And he's benefiting from it so like. When he played in toronto he certainly played top line. Minutes off and on. Sort of in. Zach hyman role It when he played junior he played with connor mcdavid. He's a guy like we said over and over can play up down your lineup. And yes i agree with you. He could play in the top six but again it's who he plays with in the top six and a set role the minute. He tries to become an offensive player and stops doing what he does. He won't be in the top six anymore right no. I don't think that he would abandon things and become. Mike hoffman. anything like that for. He'd still be the same player. I just think that because he creates much as well as having a defensive presence. I think you'd be a really interesting mix in an unconventional sorta way. You don't see it so much. Twenty twenty one anymore. Everybody's just like a year top six guy. I want six guys. Were all skill all the time. You know big numbers blah blah blah. But if we go back in our way back machine to back in in your formative years when you were an islander fan who was playing with mike bossy and bryan trottier not exactly the best skilled guy in the world and clark freaking gillies if true true yeah and cottam brown has scored twenty goals the nhl twice right Each scored twenty with the marlies as a as a rookie So yes he has hands. He really is going to say it again. He is a swiss army knife and and and he will play he will always have a job in the nhl game itself. I don't want to turn this into a connor brown loving. Although i am a big fan. I'm not sure he might not be there. Mvp so far this year but There was one element the game. I wanted to talk about in that It felt like a good a good game. Six five i love the scoring. Give me a six five game every night. Thank you so much love. A to one game says no one the sends only actually had even though it felt like a back and forth game. They had the lead for all twenty seven seconds because once again the superstars came back to haunt the sands. They just gotten connor mcdavid. Leon draisaitl out of their hair. And then all of a sudden it's mitch mariner and austin matthews doing their thing. Matthew scores twice in the first period and it was weird like the first period. It was all sends all the time they were like four checking great they were hustling their hard work and then missing opportunity after opportunity and then suddenly the lease go the other way and then bing bing the skill comes out to shine matthew scores of pair ends up with a hattrick on evening. I know their superstars. Greg but there has to has to be out of shadow them something for somebody else to beat you. Then the superstars over and over again this year whether it's toronto were edmonton. You're letting two guys beat you consistently night after night while a combination of things. Okay i. it's a combination of inexperience throughout the senator lineup as a defensive forward or even as a defensive shutdown defenseman you don't have a lot of them but when you do have them. They're often in the lineup. That is on the team in the roster. They're old and slow right like a good branson E- even Why why am. I drawing a blank. Cockburn coburn like they're older and they're slower. These are guys who in their day would have taken on that assignment and done the job Upfront you do not have other than connor brown The type of player that you're looking for who can do that job you know. Maybe it's a it's a tyranny but he is. I want to say old. Because he's not but he's certainly slow. You don't really have those kinds of players yet in ottawa senator lineup and it was just so evident yesterday at the stood. Slow goal off the face off there with what about three and a half to play in the second period and it's all right boys europe by goal. It's just getting these three minutes over with you. Got a lead going into the third and instead the big boys martyr matthews came back to play in potted to in the last three minutes. And oh god here we go. you know it just. It was a it was like men were boys again. It just turns into a bit of a you-know-what show in the defensive zone from time to time when these guys start wheeling around and making things happen. Yeah you're hoping that the battle of ontario is on. Its way to a good place. It was an exciting hockey game in the here. And now but you can't get past the fact that the leaves one of the best teams in the nhl and the sense as of today their second last overall in the league and if you look at things from a points perspective they have thirty points at what would be right now. The midway point of any normal long regular season so on pace for sixty points roughly and that would basically be their worst output points wise since the twenty seventeen eastern conference final. So the rebuild that was supposed to take a massive step forward as pure dorian put it will. it hasn't done so from a points perspective though there's some things to love obviously because the kids have been using that kids are all right motto in recent seasons are really feel. Like that's truly the case. Now you look at some of the players that were scoring in that game stood select. You mentioned it he Wires one top corner e was jumping all ninety at a nice assist on the bathurst and goal by the way that the goal is first goal in almost a month nor score. Informatin got a short handed goal in doing what he does. Best in that skating people. So i mean i think this battle of ontario is going to be if not now very soon as the sense get considerably better. They're going to have the weapons to at least hang with these guys if they do get into a a real track. Meet out there. Yeah it's it's cliche but the kids are alright and what you've got coming forward. We're gonna talk about it later but what gets done here. The trade deadline probably a couple of guys gonna be shoveled out. You got pinto coming in. Jbc coming in Going to get their twenty games here to finish the season i would think branch term is probably gonna play every single game the rest of the year i would hope i would hope to a resolution on logan brown at some point and next season will be okay. The kids are alright. Let's take our first time out on the show. Greg when we come back we'll get into some more discussion about the nhl trade deadline and the way recent deals have gone down and we use another reference from the who here sends fans are hoping. We don't get fooled again more. Come up after. These words trucks and minivans cost less to ensure than small cars. You got a better deal on home insurance. If you have good credit the biggest insurance brokers are owned by insurance companies. I'm josh make sure you choose a broker as your best interests in mind. 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You'll find all the latest innovations that are made available for new ford vehicles. So visit jim k. Forward ask about their great offers on models like the escape edge explorer ranger on f one fifty only jim k. Ford and orleans or jim k four dot com this warn projects sports and whatever so you mentioned the trade deadline and we're looking at april twelfth. That's three pm deadline. Things and i guess the question the sends fans have and mount thoughts on it. But i'll start with you. Will the sends do something. Should they do something where you at. I mean it'd depend what they're going to get and it also let's face it. We're not in the room. We don't know what long-term projections are but of long-term projections down. The middle of the ice for this team are Norris stood sla Pinto if depending on what you see coming up down the middle of the ice is christine. Now expendable depending on what you see happening on. Your lefty is a mike riley. Now expendable you also have to get into your crystal ball figure out. What kind of money does mike riley is he gonna want. Is he going to be demanding in this offseason. So there's a guy. I think tyranny and riley are the two guys who can maybe get you something. I'm not saying it's going to be anything. Great you know maybe riley can get you. A third round draft pick may be turning. Get your third round draft pick I gotta believe that ryan to single is something that can get. I don't know kids. Does he get as high as a second pier. Dory seems to do quite well in trading ryan single. So maybe that's something decent for him But i'm thinking he's probably more like a fourth or or maybe a prospect because you've got formative because you've got good shock because you probably got paul who's going to play on the left side it. Oh he d really need single Is anton forsberg gonna get you something. I he's definitely expendable. But i don't know what you're gonna get for him. And eric branson is a guy that could be moved. He's making way too much money though so they might have to eat something. But you're probably not getting anything more than a fifth or sixth. So there's there's lots of things here that can be moved but whether or not they're going to be moved. I don't know it. It's gonna come down to what they're how loa draft pick appeared oriole willing to accept for for some of these players and then you have to be in clearance mode anyway right even if the deal isn't exactly what you'd like you've got to clear out some bodies chur make way for some guys might come up from the minors or pinto and bernard docker. They're almost done their quarantines non. They're going to join the team as well. It's a fair answer because you really don't know you're not in the room Another thing you don't know what's being offered right because i've done a couple of radio. Hits and people have asked that very question. The way i asked you. They basically said so. You're going to do. And i'm like they could do anything really because everybody's for sale everybody say brady could shock. That would be extremely unpopular however if the price is right literally everything is for sale. So it's hard to know exactly but dealing in realistic terms because anybody wants could shook would have to give up king's ransom dealing in realism. The sense probably going to do anything meaningful. Because anybody that sends are willing to deal really won't fetch you much back as you indicated right exactly and there's not going to be much of a market for them to start with so i look at. That is pretty much you know doing nothing at the deadline and And obviously this is lots of people would be interested but all these blue chip prospects. They're all right. now in. The midst of a rebuild untouchable. So i wouldn't expect it to be a particularly crazy day for the sends. It might be interesting. A couple of guys being moved out. And you mentioned tyranny riley. Those are a couple of the names that i think might have value to other teams. What are you get. No second third rounder. Almost a i guess. I guess i i still make that deal. But it's going to be an interesting day all all in all because it's like no deadline day we've ever seen before you've got teams eleven. I in the expansion draft and maneuvering that way. But you're limited like unless guys are on. Their expiring deals anybody with term left. Those guys are going to be harder than ever to bring into your team. Because i mean. Gm's will have plans plans for this year end for next year and beyond and you don't have the luxury of a salary cap that's going to be increasing next year and it always is but this year because a covert and no ticket sales. The salary cap will stay exactly where it is. So it's pretty tough to add money right now too your payroll for any player that you're excited about. That could help you for the stretch run. Just because you don't have more money being added your cap situation and you're going to have to really do some juggling to bring anyone with termine. Yeah which which explains why every single player we've talked about with the exception of chris. Tierney has no term laughed at all. You just pay them a portion of this year salary. Tyrannies got one year left at three and a half but Riley's a ufa good branson's a ufa. Disea- ingles a ufa Coburn's usa I apologize. I'm not sure about forsberg. But forced lindsay tough to trade because he'd have to clear waivers because you claimed him off waivers before you can trade him you have to put him through waivers again so that may be difficult for him to move but i think that it even even already party. He's making like four and a half. But you've only got a pay of about a million or two million max for for what's left for this season. Is he for sale of courses. Is anybody gonna be buying them. I don't think so right in the are by 'em they're giving you a sixth or seventh so it's just gonna come down to. I gotta believe also that most of the players were talking about our any suitors third or fourth choice right like i'm going out looking for ocoee player looking for a left. Mike riley's not at the top of my list. He's probably fourth or fifth on my list gave we don't get the let's circle back at call. Pierre right so that will factor into it as well. What other kind of moves from other teams out there. I will dictate whether you're gonna make any more any moves at all here in ottawa. Because let's face it. What what stanley cup. Contender thinks that a guy who can who is expendable from the worst team in the nhl is gonna exactly help them right. Just say in general your another gm. Who's not peer dory on and you go shopping and you see someone you live with the sense and you bring that player to your team. Is that player likely. Like are you excited about that. As in like okay. He's been released from this hockey purgatory of team. That's in second last overall tough season behind him and now he's part of a contender and he's excited. Do you think you'll be that kind of player. Or will he be the kind of player who's beat up and exhausted mentally and just checked out and not really much. Use moving forward this season. No i think any senator player that gets traded will will bring a sense of of renewal to whatever team. He goes to Especially if it's a contender if if If a ride single say gets traded to a team that's in the top five or six in the league He will automatically bring a sense of energy there. That will fire that team up and like this is excited to be here. And he'll he'll be there and he's the one who can bring you something and in the one trade i keep looking at is that Too brusque there I wanna say louis. That's the father. Jake jake debrusk is apparently available in boston. Boston is apparently looking for some type of somebody who can bring some offense Be single in a defenseman. Could get you a jake debrusk. How's that there. There's my one bold. i'll throw it out there. I'd be interested in see if maybe that that can't happen. What do you think. I don't hate it. But i think a lot more will need to leave town in ottawa. That to get jacob risk. Yeah you never know. Never know the one that was as long as we're talking about possibilities as a sideline here punch you guys went on waivers today. Including cody Go to goal of off Who's been he's been belleville every game this year and the club signed him today gets to contract and Don't let me forget to get back to my possibility here but goal buff basically signed a two way deal and has to clear waivers. I guess because he was signed in season something along those lines which i find very awkward that it does seem to indicate that he's expected to report to the sense in taxi squad or or even on the main team at some point here in the next to the law. Which would suggest they're about to maybe move out defenseman or maybe not because honestly it makes my head hurt to think about the rules and the strategy behind roster shuffling and such in the national hockey league but the possibility i wanted to talk about was another guys on waivers right now and that's montreal canadiens defenseman victim. Yeah is there any interest there. Because he's on waivers and he's only twenty two. He's a left shot defensive. Who's not very big. And i think they already have a pretty good handle on left shot defenseman. Who aren't very big or at least not very physical ship. One of those guys to the la kings in christian milan He does play the right side though and at twenty two a wonder. Do you think there's any value in the sense may be taken a free look at him because his contract does at the end of this year. Yeah i well. That'll come down to what happened with mike riley and that will come down to. What's our plans with eric. Brannstrom i i wanna see branston. Play every one of the last twenty games right here in ottawa If that is the way they are thinking and if they are thinking. It's a shame really that you couldn't get bernard docker in sooner right making evaluation on him but you could you could conceivably see it being Brannstrom jd at chabad player left side for the rest. The season depending on what happens with riley. Do you go. Get a victor mezei. There's a lot of baggage there. There's a little bit of an enigma. E sounds a lot like a branch drum without quite the press clippings. So i i'm not sure but again you just you hit the nail ahead. It's a freebie. Claimed him off waivers. He's a freebie and your lineup. All you do is pay his salary To have a look adam. Then you don't have to worry about him for next year so it'll come down to what kind of players they trade out and what what are they need to fill by the end of the day on monday and they'll have to make that decision probably before because these guys will have cleared waivers On monday at noon and the deadline is at three o'clock on monday. So they'll have to circle back though and make a deal right clears waivers allah Will add it. Yeah you see you clear. Waivers you circle back around. Somebody showed some interest in. Oh yeah okay yeah. Let's make a deal all right. Let's take another time out of the program will be back with our final thoughts. After these words a lot of people. I talked to end up asking me. About what coverages should they have for their house. How much do i need. Why would i want that. I am joe girardi. All insurance ontario color. Text me at eight zero one. Two six five nine. Give me a call. 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Which is an unusual way to be out immersed in the hobey baker award hattrick top three finalists for college hockey's greatest individual honor instead of gathering at the side of the ncwa frozen four and awaiting the announcement with anticipation. You had chained pinto in an auto a hotel room on friday. Just waiting to be clear to join the senators and being on the event virtually and everybody expected cool. Caufield the wisconsin. Sophomore ford montreal canadian. Everybody expected he'd be the guy lead college hockey with thirty goals this year to get it and he did. Caufield beats out shane. pinto and But still that takes nothing away right of pinto from pinto on the unbelievable year he he had and he was the player of his year. It is conference and first team. All american and sends fans should be excited to see what this is all about for. sure at. Let's be honest. this was goal. Caufield book gimme. I don't think anybody expected anyone. But cole caulfield to win the The hobey baker this year Any other season. If caulfield wasn't in the playing in the ncwa. I think shape hit 'til wins it I'm really looking forward to seeing a play. It he can have a d- debut caufield just added. He scored twice in his american hockey league. Debut debut lavalle the other night you being. I see pinto. Step into the senator lineup. The big league level and and step right in and contribute right away. I i look forward to it at if as we said earlier in the show. If a chris tierney gets moved out of town. There's a nice lineup spot. Waiting for shane. Pinto no question. Yeah and that's why they go from you know of all the reasons we talked about why there might be a deal. I think that might be the biggest just to kind of clear. Some space out for some of these younger guys coming in and And pinto looks like an absolute blue chipper and he was the first guy in the eight year history of the ncaa. See to be a unanimous. Pick for the league player of the year honor. So that's pretty cool stuff are is a guy years. I one more source. Dv one more. He's a guy who won sixty percent of his face offs. You don't think that's going to help the senators. You don't think that says okay we're gonna play at center. I think you when he steps in he's gonna play center wing. Mark my word. Yep no it says that the possibilities are getting exciting in the what pinto can be. What josh nora's may be an even meal. Tim stood slow. Who knows maybe this coach or the next one decides that If he wants to play center you can go ahead and play center. He's that kind of skill level so now. The future looks bright for the ottawa senators. Despite some of the lingering dark clouds that are never seen to quite dissipate. With his franchise but Like i say most of the stuff is looking good. Moving forward all right with that. We'll call it a day right there. Wanna thank the coach. Gregg kennedy fulfilling in for jimmy. 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Seattle Kraken Forward Jared McCann

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Seattle Kraken Forward Jared McCann

"All right powered by go sports and in partnership with san we welcome you to season two episode thirty two raindrops hockey podcast presented by infiniti. Darren gregor and ray ferraro as always we buy weekend and before we get into a of hockey news. And we're recording this. On thursdays the eve of round one of the draft and the day after the expansion draft in seattle. I mean what a cool experience for your family right. yeah i. I didn't have a ton of investment in watching the expansion draft mostly because we knew who swore which is a story all by itself. But let's accentuate the positive here and it was cool. Seeing cami are that we know how much work she's invested into the process and we'll continue with a busy weekend at the draft and all of that but for you fun from a hockey standpoint and kinda need from a family standpoint as well. I'm sure yeah we were. We were all sitting on the couch. And you know waiting for candies to announce a pack. We knew she was going to announce one you know watching. It was pretty clear she was. She was buzz and she was pretty excited. I mean she looked great seemed super happy. And so i stayed off social media. Most of yesterday saw the first couple of picks that had been put out. And then i'm like you know what i kinda wanna see. Yeah and just 'cause. I thought it would be fun and i'm glad i did a a. I know they worked really hard on that. I think they're one of the lessons. You get when you you know like cami went in there to the meeting the team. She had scouted very familiar with the players. But everybody's area of expertise is very defined area right. You don't scout all thirty teams you scout limited number of teams you write reports on those players that are involved in those teams and then when you get in just because you like player a you have to still like one of the things that she did talk about his every pic you still have to be compliant with the expansion draft rules so if you this player that might mean that players not eligible right so think it was probably an incredible couple of days down there to see the pieces all come together and i know what you know when we talk. I guess it was wednesday night at the end of the draft like she was wiped like she was just. That's a long dreadful time so but it was awesome. I thought it looked great. I don't know what people think. But i love the uniforms in particular. The dark wants beautiful. And i think look spectacular and i did get a laugh. Marshawn lynch i gotta tell you. I if i kelly urine karuk i'm calling marshawn lynch as as i can. No kidding did a great job with weeks verschueren. You know what. I'm not gonna kick the nhl on the shins. Let's the point looking back for the first time. I'm not going to see ever. Because that's a long time. And i i really have to think about it but breaking uses a big part of what i do for eleven and i'm watching this stuff and credited frank volley who just owned the day in in so many ways so not being critical of franks reporting but i- laid-back in a few things right for a couple of reasons number one you know a manager or an aging. Just said hey. Don't say anything right and for for the reasons at that you've just talked about here. It'd be it would have spoiled the viewing experience for the average fan and there were tons of complaints on that. So i guess. If i i'm not gonna kick the league in the shins but i guess what i would say is what they expect. You know you put a submission time at ten. Am eastern on seattle submitting their list. And you expected to under lock and key until eight. pm eastern when the show went to air. I sold not the world. It's not an and so everybody wants to figure not everybody a lot of people. Wanna figaro you know. Where did they get out is responsible while could have been somebody from the leak could have been an agent could have been a player players association. It could be something as simple as a player gets cold. He tells his wife or girlfriend. She tells her mum her mom tells her sister poof. It's gone. there's no way that information. Everybody so interested in is going to stay locked in that. I mean look not in the logistics business not in the marketing business. That should have been alive draft. Yeah and then. They should've had numbers for the players. So you could hook them up on zoom on that giant screen. That was read over top of their head. Yeah and what else. Macklemore should open that with a with one of his songs. Yeah he was fired. Up soon was wired. He's fired up. Get here to rock the thing out going right away. He sounded like arena. Announcer was axed. We gotta get him to do. E ram hearts. I think he's right. Well we're going to continue here on. The podcast talked about the seattle crack. And obviously i mean. It's a big part of this week as we go through episode. Thirty two brought to you by infiniti. We have seattle cracking forward. Jared mccann who spent well not very much time with the toronto maple leafs but a better time. He'll talk to us about just how that process went with sheldon. Keep the coach. The leaves lubis general manager the conversations that they had secured mccain will join us later in the podcast ray and i love an ira instead. Easy racist which. I don't think there's going to be part of the interview. But hey look that you're on the podcast. A very good. Does she have any trades. You have any trades to announce rates wants to know what you're traits. Do you have any traits. That she's getting. Give me the middle figure here. In a second is what's i can't hear cami and i'm not a very good liberator. Can we call her back. How's that we'll call you back. Enjoy your lunch by so that staying by the way. That's not being edited out. We're gonna keep that. I knew she was. She was gonna call so good for her anyway. Might be the only time. I talked to her today. Thanks yeah well. All but again. That's just another layer to are focused on the seattle kraken right one of their top dansko scouts. Joining us here. Bright future for that woman. That's what i've been told. Dawn places right you. What never happens when people tell me how lucky i am to be married. Nobody ever says to her. While you're married to ray aren't you no well. You know. I'll say it right now. Cammi granato is a damn lucky woman to be married to ray ferraro. You're a liar. Drags and i take that and i appreciated. Does it feel that genuine doesn't even at all it comes into good blaze. Join our infinity's he's got. The fifty just briefly returned from a very successful camping trip where he had tons of fun. There i've got to you sixty on remind you check these vehicles out top notch and right now you can lease lisa Fifty for four hundred ninety nine dollars monthly for twenty seven months that said one point nine nine percent with twenty nine hundred ninety five dollars down which includes one percent rate reduction. It's a great deal or you can choose the cash. Twelve hundred dollars of summer cash will get to infinity dossier for more and to book your contactless test drive today. The shift over with more on the cracking into headlines presented by tommy. Guns original barbershop ray. And i want a general overview of what you thought i mean. It's such a difficult process and most general managers acknowledged that the reason we didn't see a lot of trades we didn't see trades involving the picks is because number one ron francis understandably still wanted too much to encourage her to be encouraged to move away from player right so teams just said okay while the hell with it. I mean we're gonna lose a good player. That's lose a good player instead of losing two or three other assets to keep ron francis away from the player that we don't really wanna lose so you know just generalists aspen. I i mean they're loaded on defense right. So there's assets there to work with determine those into playable pieces upfront. They look competitive. Not sure where the offense is going to come from but again there's some things to work with and they're young in goal. So does that sum up for you or you know does deeper dive. No it does. Drake's look offense costs money if you want offensive players in that expansion draft. You going to pay big money for the players that were available. Why ademir tarasenko. James van reams dyke for example bright. I don't know why people are surprised because if they had all taken look. Ron francis is footsteps when he was the general manager and carolina. And i've known ron for thirty seven years. Now i guess since we were in hartford it's twenty year olds. He was kinda is geez man. That's a long time. Ron is patient. He's thoughtful. He's methodical and he's not gonna deviate from that. I don't know why people thought all of a sudden seattle crack and we're going to spend seventy five million dollars in expansion dry. It just wasn't going to happen. I am a little surprised that they didn't they didn't bite on one of the bigger offensive players. Cash wise bright roll. We'll say this. Because i see all kinds of criticism and hey i mean everybody's everybody's free to look at it the wrong way. The one i see most frequently as why didn't francis hold these other teams to the fire and demand. More ready to get to make these deals. Look i can think. I'm the toughest guy around. But if i got nobody to fight it doesn't matter right. I'm just what i think's toughest guy around. Ron can be as firm his asking price is he wants or he can say you. You want me to take that player. Well i need this. They don't meet well that means you've got nobody to dance with. And i'm i don't hope because i don't i mean cami doesn't tell me but i'm a she doesn't know i'm assuming that's pretty much how this role that that the other teams were not willing to play ball. They saw what happened last time. Yeah you can say he should have gotten more assets but where maybe the only way would have been encase or instead of taking some of the players he did would be taking somebody that he could flip but some of those players have no trade protection. It's not as easy or as clear cut as it looks. No and i will say this strikes. I'll finish on this no go. Today is july twenty second right free agencies. July twenty eighth. The season is an october. Those are all pressure points for roster construction. Something will happen. Free agency teams have to be remember cap compliant on opening night october. The twelfth there are going to be players that are injured october. The twelfth. that will come off. I are will force into a cap decision in early november. All of those require cap room. I suspect that those are all issues. Interest for the seattle cracking. No doubt and ron francis has made that abundantly clear at all managers that cap spaces currency. And i'm willing to to sell the cap space. So let's go through our process here. You know but just know that. I'm available to do that now you know. The sweeteners are going be entertaining. And that's where maybe he developed other parts of your organization. But i like your point in all of that in in that look. He's got a lot of time to to work with you know. October doesn't seem that far away but you know it's months away and these teams have to comply and they're going to be teams like they just. Ab toronto go down the list. Get a need to park salary right. I mean that's just three look philadelphia the gossip spare trade philadelphia wanted. I mean i think chuck fletcher would have paid what i would call a premium to get francis. The crack the take jesse james room stuck. I believe that because he sees in philadelphia the other needs that he has you know so if he takes a swing at dougie hamilton as an example in free agency. He's gonna have to move money. It's gonna have to move money. So i i liked that aspect biggest splash and most emotional one with all due. Respect all the tough decisions. Marcher donald. Leaving the calgary flames and man. He's just such a good honest guy right. You just don't ever never see a negative story. But marcher donal how he goes about his business on the ice off the ice and he had his departure from geography as sudden as it was with complete class both publicly and behind the scenes like for him to tell bradsher loving the general manager. Ray luck man. You got a job to do. I've been in this league long time. I know where i'm at in my career. You do what you have to do. I've got nothing but respect must have been something now because they had to be something because let's look at he's you know he came from a place. Don't forget at one point had to go to russia. He didn't have a contract right. he came back. He built his career into a backbone of the calgary flames for well over a decade and this is not like the time you want stability. Most times you don't have when you're young and you have promise you've got stability when you're older and you've got kids and family and schools and you don't have stability. And then they dropped this expansion franchise in it tips. Giordano's world upside down. I mean i thought he looked. I wouldn't say shaken but like the realization man. I'm here. I don't like i am here. And i do believe in culture of your of your franchise. I do believe in doing things. The right way. And i do believe marcher. Danell is an important part of that in in seattle. Now i guess there's always a chance he could. They could flip him to right now. The resent chance. I would think he gives you something that you can't freely get. I would've. I wouldn't have been surprised. And i love again. Not being critical seattle. Not doing this why would they. There's no pressure to do. I almost felt like he was gonna walk with a seon as jersey to go from all captain of the legs to the crack in which would have been you know and we could have avoided the possibility obviously of him being flipped because that narrative is already being spun out there that it's possible. And i just don't feel like it. It's well i mean. I guess i guess you wanna see everybody come together before you pick your captain it but i will buy you dinner. If he's not the. I like it. Just everything about journal is that he would be your first captain right. Yeah i don't. I don't i don't see it any other way. So it's not like. I think you've painted or saloon picture of the type of general manager that we know the history ron francis and what he is but he did spend some money. It's not like you're organization. Just kinda tiptoed into this and i want your thoughts on adam. Larsson and jamie alexia camin. You'll larson surprise me just a little bit. Because as kenny hollandi acknowledges media availability a month ago he thought adam larssen was staying right and then obviously adam larsson signs the contract with the seattle crack in. It's only it's chump change in terms of the finances here right edmonton's offer was just under four million dollars a four year deal and they also had a five year offer. But we need translate and you do you know the taxes and all of the things that go into living in seattle. I'm told it works out to close to four point. Five million per year. Or adam larssen so that matters but this was more of a decision a lifestyle thing deal like the signing of larson and the alike jamie alexia. Because i can tell you the trade market for jamie alexi. I can't even. Though he added expiring contract off the charts there were so many teams wanted jamie alexia including dallas wanting to keep them in dallas wall. Oh i'll start with larson. I i think there's no question. What you see is what you get with larsen. He's the second guy in defense pair. So he's not a leap guy because there's not offense there but you play him with with an offensive player you get size. Don't get a penalty killer. You get some physicality you get somebody. That's able to match against the other team stop players. And that's and he embraces. That's what he is. you know. there's no question it yeah. Fences knows what he is like larssen and what. I like them with the expectation that he is what he is. So there's no question like there's no way. Seattle would be thinking of him in a different way. Alexi ac in the last year and a half to me has made an enormous jump is mobility his agility the openness of his game which is now to include a little bit more offensive presence up the ice it into a rush to i liked them both. Allot one thing that was clear so now you. I'd donald yacht vince done. You've got the flurry brothers. You've got curtis. Mcdermott from la. There is some monstrous pizza on that blue line so it seems to me that there was a vision of what they were looking for their. I like alexi ac. I like larson. I thought those were really good. Signings for them. I liked rieger in goal. I know he's not played a lot but for the money that he signed four. And now you see the money. That alex del chevik signed for in detroit today supposedly the going rate as you talked about size blue line in the fact that they clearly went by design in that direction. They about the winnipeg jets and not connected to when account imagine. Chevy and ron francis aren't gonna have multiple conversations in the days ahead here because man if there's one thing winnipeg needs to do is get bigger on that back and that's that's a priority for the jets why we ride drake's but even in that statement even in that statement that tells us y you can't look at those. I thirty players that seattle pick than thirteen. Darren here right. There's there is the opportunity and the potential for several moves. I think vegas made four five almost immediately now. Maybe it'll take a little longer but all of a sudden seattle's got bucket a defenseman. You can't keep them all and you keep the in some cases to flip them right and look. I mean w hamilton's going to one team. If seth jones gets traded getting traded to one team. It's not like there is a glut of those types of players. Some speculation around brenden dillon with washing gap kohl's because he was exposed but i mean all these teams have needs. You know vancouver is is talk about you know. H mitt is likely removed. But they'd like to do something on that back and as well and you know banning as willing sustenance. Do you need saw. Yeah yeah really liked this young kid jack. Rathbone human last year really mobile but not big. They've got quinn hughes while you better get some size around those guys honor percent and so is it. Somebody like brenden. Dillon is no 'cause alex adler is gonna go to free agency. Yeah like they need size. I mean it's there. But you know what i'd like to be right now coming off a stanley cup. David savard no kidding leg. It feels like five million her. Obviously that's what it feels like whether he gets that or more we'll see but he's in a great spot on fantastic spot. Pick is a destination of choice. Speaking of let's end headlines with zach kyon the oilers zach spent time in edmonds and on wednesday. Ray toured the city. Which by the way. Evans is a beautiful city to tour in july. It's not a bad spot you know. Let's sunny flowers are popping. You can play a little golf. You can sit on the patios. It's healthy enough. Do that all those things. So i feel strongly that zakheim and will be going to the oilers. While we don't know yet is what is the term is it seven years the only way it can be eight years as if the maple leafs sign him and then trade him to the edmonton orders. And then. what's a fair value. Low enfield's while if it's eight years maybe dips below five point five on an annual average salary. If it's seven years maybe the is is five point five is that too much for zakheim and given how hard he plays the game or is that just man the cost to doing business. And you don't worry about your five. Six seven or eight are gonna look like because chances are if you're kenny kenny holland or kyle dubious for that matter. You're not going to be around to worry about it anyway. Okay drag. i'm going to do something. I hate okay. i'm going to answer. Your question was a question. I hate when people do this to me. So i'm going to do it to you. Okay is barkley gujral. Were three point. Six million dollars for six years with the new york rangers and he was making less than a middle wasn't he. So you think gosh. Because i asked you a question. No he's not no bucky. Yeah yeah so. Don't i know there's been a lot. Look i think on cooper's a hell of a coach and he's a two time stanley cup winner and if they go to the olympics he's going to be the olympic coach and he's smart and miles ahead of what i could ever do coaching. When he said you win stanley cups because guys like barkley gujral. No you win up shane. No you win stanley cups. Because of guys like andrei. Vasilevskiy victor hedman. And then you add pieces like barkley barkley. Gujral did was awesome. Because he was he was in addition piece to a very good team. But i think he got seven goals. The last couple of years zakheim got twenty six goals in his last eighty. Two games. sure some of it could be or is because of who he plays with but if he goes to edmonton is not playing with joe schlabach land with leon dry seidel or connor. Mcdavid or ernie. Maybe you know you see how it pans out right now. I think in my mind. I'm in goes with mcdavid in each with dry seidel. Bob's your uncle on your top two lines on like it. So is it too much. Yes i think it is what i consider it. Yes honor a person. I'm a little foggy on what the trade would be. Because you're buying if it's five five for seven years or five or the nugent-hopkins range for eight years. Now what is that. Three hundred fifty grand worth bright salary cap space right. I don't know the answer. i mean. Go over the term. You're saying that over an eight year term. let what would be. Yeah i can i. I'm gonna tell you what. I think it's worth and this is it was shared with me. Saw sheriff with you. The leafs and other teams to acquire around one point. Four million in cap space trade deadline gave up a fourth round draft. So if you take that three fifty and savings on an eight year deal times eight is what two and a half rothley. So i i look. Here's what is fixed. What i'm suggesting is it should be the compensation or trade should be third or even better edmonds inside giving them a third or better. I think evanson feels strongly enough zack. Wants to be in edmonton and the toronto deal isn't gonna come together anyway that they can wait until the twenty ninth and not bad damn thing. It's just you lose a little bit of av there right obviously by giving them. The max reiss seven year term. Right and so. That's that will be the determination that those two teams will tryin figaro workout and if it doesn't work then as can all uncomfortable panam five five or whatever. That number is just thinking this deal. Because there's a lot of stories like this and i think they're really cool zach. Hyman was a seventh round draft choice. He's a boat. Sign forty million dollar contract and he did it not on an easy road known. God i have a. I have a ton of respect for somebody that can make himself into the player. That hyman is made into you. Know other zakheim it when they when they needed a band of energy somewhere sheldon keefe. What zach hyman. Move hyman from line to line. The line i that guy's a good player honestly and we joked about it. We would often say you don't sheldon keeps one failure's coach of the toronto maple leafs is he hasn't found a way to put zakheim on on every line. It i mean he's just he's just that impact player. I would say this bone any player and you feel the same way. I just hope he can stay healthy because if he can stay healthy man. His motor runs at full throttle all the time. He never cheats on a shift. Does a like you get full effort. Permanent every single shift every single night and here. Here's the other thing that he would be able to do is because he kills penalties as well as he does. You might be able to squeeze the minute or to offer dry seidel and mcdavid over. The course of a year doesn't matter. Probably probably i. I think he's a he's an ideal fit the numbers all. Don't make sense to me anymore. Just don't but if you want a good team you're gonna pay so that means they've got if they're able to sign him. You've got hyman mcdavid nugent-hopkins dry cycle and then you're gonna have to work around that part of your cap because next year back up the truck for darnell nurse yes -solutely you know that's a now there's the other thing we talked about adam larsson now they gotta find another blue liner. Is it tyson berry. Will it be somebody else. Certainly berry and larson or two completely different players. You know man. Oh man like this. Gm business were all great when none of our decisions matter. Young man it is. It is not an easy gig. Now do business out there today. Saying i believe in this core and i understand the responsibility and these guys in the uniform. They're gonna determine kyle's future yeah no question and and look well what will do episode thirty three. You know just a little forecasting here is. It'll be post free agency. So we're we're not gonna know exactly. You know how every canadian team is going to look. But i think it'll be prudent for us to look at the big buyers after free agency but then kind of dive into the seven canadian teams a little deeper right. So that'll be our okay. What did you gave me the heads up their drugs. Thanks buddy abe by the way you know what time it is right. I had no idea tell me. Tell me this is he time this is he time right. And you don't me. 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Hey you're gonna love the tommy guns experience you download the tommy guns out and you can check in now rare interview in this episode jared mckenna of the seattle crack news brought to you by our good pals and canadian club. Whiskey moore asking. Are you over beer. Why not try refreshing. Cc ginger ale twist align throw whatever you want into that next time you're having a drink or you're watching the game. it's rare for. I've been telling you about the team of specialists at north beach agency. You don't just have to take my word for it. I'm blair manton of sands and associates. Licensed insolvency trustees north beach. Is marketing strategies. Help us reach more and more clients every month for businesses. That want great results. I recommend you talk to the north each team to request a complimentary digital audit for your business visit north beach. Agency dot com. That's north beach. Agency dot com weeks rejoined on rain. Drake talking podcast by german. Mccown one of the newest members of the seattle cracking and rain. This might be a. I mean we've interviewed players coaches managers hockey people from just about all parts of the world and everywhere. We ever interviewed anyone from a golf course. No i've done a radio hit from a goal. Of course yes. But i have not done this. Jared welcome and how are you playing. Thanks for having me guys. I'm pretty decent right now. I on so how did how did yesterday. I'll play out for you. It was pretty crazy the last last week. You're obviously you know what's happening and everything. That was pittsburgh to toronto. And you know. I spoke to kyle after they need the trade and they told me in kind of what was going to happen and you know. I didn't really think he wants to. While they're just kinda arizona's pretty excited to my hometown. Team and a lotta people can say that so but you know everything happens. Everything happens for a reason. And you know i'm excited to be part of the cracking hockey's a business says you know you know you've been around it long enough and you've experienced the highs. You've experienced the lows so the fact that the leaves were so upfront and honest with you. Did that make it a little bit better than i know. You're excited about joining seattle. So i don't wanna put a damper on that but you just did acknowledge your ontario kid to plan for your hometown. Team was going to be kind of fun but the leaves were upfront. Weren't they and said this was a distinct possibility for you. Yeah yeah chi was very honest with being called me as well and i understood the situation that they were ended and what they were thinking so. I'm very appreciative of what. They didn't like nothing. But they things to say about colin sheldon. Jared when you were when you were in pittsburgh the season ends. And of course when you're when you're sitting around with sidney crosby. Guinea malta in the expectations are so high so that the season ends. Do you know right away. Hey i might be one of the guys. That's not going to be back or jeff. Any sense of what's coming down the road a short time later for you. I i had no idea to be honest with you know i. I didn't really think of think of it that way you know i was season ended new obviously a couple of days later. You know you're gonna week later. Just kinda know reset the mind and get back to training like that. So generally go through my mind that i was gonna be unprotected or or even possibly traded so it was kind of a like i said it was a whirlwind the last couple of last week here and but you know i'm excited. So how'd you find out now. Many players have been picked expansion draft. So how does that. How does that play for you. Vaughn sorry francis already called me morning. I've draft and it's kinda told me that they were going to select me and yeah. It was pretty pretty easy. Woke up. haven't been sleeping well last couple of days. So kinda get that phone call. Put me at ease. Your did you sleep good last night. I did i did. Yeah yeah. I know a lot. Easier sleep for sure. You've been in that. Part of the world before jared. I mean no i mean. Obviously you've spent time in vancouver in on and probably in and around the area but heavy anytime whatsoever in seattle. No no. i've never been to the city. You know i've watched the seahawks play in dallas when time. Let's talk some you know we went. We were playing stars stagnates nights so you know. He's pretty cool russell. Wilson's one of my favorite quarterback stuff. You know pretty cool. I'm excited we get there. I'm always interested. You know like. I played an expansion team in atlanta. And i will bet you your entire salary. You guys are better than in atlanta. We wanna fourteen games jer. That's hard to do. You know it was miserable. I didn't know anybody when i got there. Do you know anybody. On the i thirty picks i do. I know Well the district of course last season you know. He's you know he stayed at my place actually over before training camp. So we're pretty close. Tax me when i saw him on. Tv can go up there. So i was like looking good. And it's pretty cool. So what's the jared the stock lots of you over the last week year and the media side of things as you get traded to toronto as you mentioned and then selected here first round. Pick by vancouver. What what's the difference of jared mccann other than maturity in age from the vancouver canucks to now an established. Nhl score and one. It's gonna be counted on in seattle. I've i've learned a lot of things you know throughout the years and playing for different teams and being able to learn from certain players. You know i got to play with the cbs. Obviously mike hoover. I've got to play with yarmur. Yager barkov those guys in in in florida. And you know like the best players in the world. Sidney crosby you know and you know tangier and and gets already guys so you know. I'm very lucky one thing. I've definitely learned. Is you know have a good work ethic you know all those guys pop guys have a good work ethic and you know. That's that's something i feel like. I really fed off of them. You know. I'm trying to the lead by ankle. Now what's what's your preference. Do you like the wing or did you like in. The middle doesn't doesn't really matter too much. You know. I i don't have really have a preference you know. Obviously i grew up as a centerman. You know. I can play that way. But i played winging from alaska interior. Like do you like it. And i feel like You know i have to shot and you know kind of speed to go down the wing there and we'll get to that kind of thing. Whatever seattle dealing with abilities. Is this likely to be busier off season for you. Jared i mean normally be busy or training. You're doing all those things and then at some point you know you add to your nhl city and you start getting diving in and outweigh seattle. Might be a little bit more though right. Because y'all brand new franchises probably going to be some community work especially with an established. Nhl or like you. So what does what does the rest of the offseason look like. when are you heading into seattle. i. I haven't really talked about that. I was going to happen folks five. I reached okay. You know some of the dodgers kind of get ahead and and you know meet guys and stuff like that so it no. I haven't really thought of when i'm gonna head out there or you know what like that could you like have you had Just a couple more for me here have you. Have you had a chance to check out online or anything. Some of the pictures of what that place is gonna look like what the arenas gonna look. Yeah yeah i've seen. I've seen some photos lena. Even where the that was pretty amazing on the water there so like i said i'm excited to get out there and saying now are you okay. I'm gonna let you go on. this did you. Are you still hitting the ball or did you stop. I just picked it out because we feel pretty picked off. So we've don't win that you can still play played put your pods in and just just keep playing while bad. Is that like he was wondering fourteen even parts through fourteen right when we started the interview. No i saw a forty on the front. I believe i'm far away from the leader. Well i'll tell you one thing since you picked up your ball. I really hope the seventeenth isn't into poor three and you drop in there. That would suck. I'll send you a photo if i do you. Jared and all the best to congratulations on being selected. And you're gonna love seattle beautiful place. Thanks guys i appreciate it. Thanks and we'd like to raise a glass to our guest today. Juerg mccann cheers. Jared brought to you by our friends at canadian club whiskey. Good enough rei to join us from the golf course. After all he's been through you know dating back to the trade from pittsburgh where he said lucky didn't see a common happy to be joining trou- maple leafs essentially his hometown. Who then not that long. After a couple of days in selected by the seattle cracking in the expansion draft. But you don't want good young guy not new to the nhl. He's been around but he sounds very excited to a ghana. A new challenge in a brand new adventure he did he sounded like. I'm not really sure what's you know which is really exciting. It's really cool. You get into a new city. You don't know where you're going you don't know what street you drive on you. Don't somebody takes you around drops you up at the rank and you're like how the heck do i get home like it's all this stuff that's all new and it's all really cool and then he's going to go into climate pledge arena for the first time and man. It's it's a stunning place. Did it really is the practice. Rink is a ninety one million dollar facility it is. It is going to be top shelf. And i'm sure you'll be excited. But he's gonna learn like they're gonna count on him for offense and that's another cool thing as you get a little older and you get into that. Not we hope you can score. But hey we need you to score. That's a cool thing too. So hopefully finished off his round. Well i mean sounded like it was going. Okay well we add to tune them up. I mean you don't pick up your ball. And he was on the front like you've got game left here. Plus he was even two thousand eighteen. You put your you put your pods in and you finish the round and if me and you hear him swinging the club that's okay. That's fine that's good for the podcast and and look. He did promise right if he gets that. As as you predicted he might ishi share in the photo. We're going to get the video here on landrace has always par-three it seems like it would be terrible day to get a to get an eighth. If you've picked up for tools. New interesting year for jared mcgann. It's been a great year for canadian. Club whiskey two thousand twenty one. International whiskey competition best canadian blend is that forty three year. Old which gordon miller recently crush. No you did. You had a gentleman's drink didn't was just took just enough heat from too much ice in it into the hater general public i was fabulous delivery back at it again. Very distinguished group. When you join the elite whiskey drinkers which i happen to be a part of the glut while so that canadian club also picked up the ultimate spirits challenge two thousand twenty one. Ninety five points a finalist by the way in the top one hundred spirits. So congratulations to canadian club. The 43-year-old haven't cracked it yet special. Location it's coming with me to the cabbage where it will be opened in due time. Not going to be able to visit with chris album cool that dot. Co this win as we. Ray is traveling but we'll connect with him for we go on hiatus which we really don't do any more on rain drake's because we've got the alumni series right not letting the cat in the bag though we've got some some real good gasoline great conversation and some terrific storytelling that we can look forward to over the summer. So kopech chris throat some ideas for the nhl draft next couple of days. You're tuning in. We're recording this episode thursday night and look you can throw money down on. Who's going to be drafted second or third. I mean only power is minus one thousand. That's the line empower. Go first overall so you put one hundred bucks down. Guess what figo's first overall you're winning ten. Who's doing that. Nobody's doing that. I wouldn't even be that dumb to do that. But they're pretty good odds on the second pick overall who's going third overall and how many canadians will be drafted and the nhl draft so. Here's my problem with that. You gotta wait till the end of the second day you know. I want instantaneous results. I don't want to wait around. Or ge hedge you bet you see are going you bet on friday and that's the one roomed right. Yeah but then. That's not gonna that's not going to tip the odds and if it is well for the canadians drafted it. Might many canadians are crafted right. You've got rounds two through seven. Yeah it's not going to be four or twenty nine. It's gonna be twelve or thirteen or eight or nine. I'm more interested matt number two draft. Are you yeah. Why just think that. There's not think it's interesting because on power need not even in the draft. I'm always more intrigued. Look i you draft anyone in the top ten. You know you're getting active occupier through the first. who's kidding. Who do you think. This is getting old for ellen. Jim hughes no. I can't imagine it us man. Another one in the top ten. Well this is luke and will be the third. He was brother amazing. What a what. A great day for their family again. And i mean you and i have had lots conversations with eleanor jimmy. They're great people. But i remember trying to. You know this is going back three four years ago trying to get jim to describe account player. Luke was going to be in comparison to quinn and jack and man is wheels get gone any such a hockey guy is the you've been conversation. Any you know we get noodles and we get goaltenders to do this where you pull pieces of the anatomy elite g-l-a-c tenders and you put them together into what would be the best goalie of all time. That's would that. That reminds me jimmy. When you ask them to describe one of in this case luke how does he compare. Well you know. Does this the way that jack does. But yeah you know what he's got. This is mind. Works like quinn. It's fabulous. Oh yeah. I'm looking forward to their great family. So he's gonna do well. Hey by the way. Speaking of the nhl in in some interesting factoid says we brace ourselves for aspirin. Greg's espn wednesday right. I mean it's it's a big night. We'll ever night's a big night free. Espn but on espn two. They've got the expansion draft which we talked about earlier in the podcast. You know maybe was tarnished a little bit because of social media and the fact that anybody who really truly was invested you know is is is paying attention was disheartened by the fact that basically all the pets were disclosed but a great number right on. Espn two and you've got the cubs in the cardinals on the main network. Espn did literally did espn. Two in the expansion draft outdraw the cubs from the cards by hundred in thirty thousand viewers. Sir but thousand six hundred forty thousand on espn two hundred nine thousand for the cubs cards. The cubs cards. Is you know a traditional longtime rivalry and so. I think they would be happy with that. That would be. I starting at man. It looked good and the you know i. It's just a it was a nice nice way to get introduced to a lot of people of the crack and might look like. Yeah well i mean. Espn isn't foreign hockey right. We know this. I'm looking forward to its return and seeing so because some a little bit worried. It's not right. I shouldn't have. Nobody's worried about you ray. You're the best business. I don't drink all you know today. No i know i'm punchdrunk. What i am. I'm tired and i'm just a little bit. You should be punched what she said. Oh yeah throat punch myself. I'm worried about you only from a travel perspective. Because you like. Are you gonna fly to wherever to connect with your play by play guy just so that person can get you to where you need to be or is that just for international travel. That's just for international travel and next world juniors and edmonton so. I should find for that. I'm not on the clock until we go back to russia again. Very good did he. Did he went off like about five thousand of those lineup cards for you or have you already looked off. Drake's i'm i'm a. I'm a computer whiz. I've oh i was going to say that. I've created my own template but that would be a lie in anyone that knows me would know so so either gort has or matt as figure. 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We've got three questions from tom and sydney australia because tom is checking in from sydney australia. I think we're going to afford the luxury of three aspirin. Drake's questions that fair ray. Yes get says. He loves listening to the podcast during lockdown. So now he's just sucking up. How likely is it that the vancouver could keep all three of hughes patterson and besser together long term. That's one that's question one. how likely are they. Yeah they i guess he's saying can you afford to keep all three and will they be able to lock them up. He was in paterson if they can't if they can't they can't afford to keep all three. That tells you what it disaster. The rest of the roster is because that's three guys like you can afford to keep anything you just have to decide how you're going to build around those pieces. The real question is do you believe those are the core pieces. You want to build your teamer. And that's up to jim benny. That's they've got to decide that beyers do a pretty hefty qualifying offer coming up next year. Unless you go to early on this year and say here is we're looking at six years or seven years at this might be below qualifying offer but if the seven year locking you could gain what for sure question too and i mean. We're trolling with this one. Tom i'm going to ask 'cause you're you're a good guy and you're sucking up could you see pd. Allies pettersen. getting an offer sheet for montreal canadian's as rumors are suggesting. I'm gonna say no because the that lock. I mean the negotiation with j. p. burien ca. Sports is is so far down the path that that's talking happen. Look if it were to happen. Unlike these offer sheets are in vancouver is gonna match so you guys you might not match. You're going to match their yup. Okay why do you think they're so this is like we went from offer sheets to. Are they going to be able to keep these three guys to. Why do you think there are so many left shooting players in the nhl when the majority of people are right. And i will tell you that because your control hand on your stick is your talk hand pad for left. Handed player is right hand so it makes perfect sense to me that there would be more left handed players as you're strong control hand is on top of your stack. And would you have thought this through as a centerman or did that. It'll come in nineteen seventy and nineteen seventy. I started playing hockey. My dad had a left handed sticks it around somehow and a left handed player. I'm sure that's how it happened. Tell me you didn't wear the same paris gates for five years until you grew into no-no i but i always had like secondhand skates. Yeah that's yeah. I got my first new pair of skates when i was eleven and they were tax tax super tax. Was my colleague big deal a remember getting them. And don't i'm gonna say this just in hyperbole. There was never a steel set of blades dried better than mine. I would sit there. I wanted those skates to be so clean. I was so proud of them. Dad would say look if you don't drive. They're going to rust. they rust. That's how they get into the boot and it's not you know they don't connect properly or they don't stay as solid as i would dry them and i had a a special towel. That went my hockey bag. I i loved those gates. They the premium skate back. In the day stupider kids bad maybe latin and matter old enough that they would remember now. Super tax They they don't. I thought somebody was in a sporting goods store and they told me what the top end skates cost now over a thousand bucks. Oh yeah yeah. Twelve four twelve hundred dollars. You kidding me. Oh yeah it's kinda sad. But i mean technology. That's gone into them now. I mean basically every skate is formed. Fitting right okay. But just say you didn't have a form fitting boot at twelve jedi. Okay fine i think so. Do you need a three hundred fifty dollars. Stick at age twelve. I don't think so. I was when i knew that i was in trouble. Mike kid was breaking like eight to ten sticks a year. I forty doing man like we got changed difference sticks. They're they're like three hundred fifty bucks. I know this is from a time of dinosaurs. Were in the in a been passed where the nhl sticks. Were you know how they all had them blade down and they have the nhl players named stamped on them were in the been with the blades pointed out. I stopped at the nhl rack. And dad said raymond yours are the back this this this. He didn't argue. You went to the back straight stick and walked out of there pretty pumped are and arlen as a wrap up question from aspirin dregs. Anything he's asking if either of us could have been an elite pro athlete. So i guess harland doesn't think you were an elite pearl out a harlem hockey. Db pull it up pal. I seriously sorry right well. Okay e. qualifies. I just chuckled at stopping there. He says if either of you could have been an elite pro athlete like top twenty five in any sport you wanted and what would have you chose. And he goes on to say. I'd go golfers you can play on the regular tour just forever. Then keep competing. The champions tour make boatloads of money all of that stuff. The injuries are few and far between. So that's a that's a good call. I mean i love the game. And i but my love growing up was baseball world series that i tell you that before here. Let me tell you bought a i. Would i would pick the best shortstop in major league baseball. That would have been my. That's my choice interesting. I only because i played a little baseball. Not even close to the level. The you played believe it or not liked to curl grew up in sketch. Which can't make money curling not a lot of it right so golf for sure would be. I like harlan's take on that. The would be super cool. That's a tough one to be high brother. We're wrapping up episode thirty two. What is the weekend like. I mean you've got. The boys jammies tied up with the draft jammies home till sunday night. I get mon. I'm on focused kellyanne color-coded calendar and make sure i get the kids. Go into the right places. That's what i got going. How will you well. I'm up to my you know what's in draft all your draft trade the ad trade and you know what historically because avi mac has always been involved until this season he would look after the saturday stuff and the saturday stuff was always busy. Right shoulder interesting trades but not crazy amount during the first ground. because everybody's just so focused on getting their player in the draft zadeh things. Loosen up and bobby always covered down with craig button and that group now. God he's in retirement mode now. So can you. You do not so. Can you not only mode. No no i was at the compound was invited to badly live cross country because we went to the bobby mack cottage compound last sunday. Did you get right in or did you have to stop at the gate. I parked outside and then walked in. I mean that's kind of what you're supposed to do but it was good gathering lots of fun. Bob fancies my myself pretty good barbecue up the smoker. All of that. Bob mac is up there man he can. He can put together a real nice meal and that was a big group is like twelve thirteen. Fourteen people did a nice job is nice all right. Well we'll let you go on that you got to work directs. You get to work. Take breath divan. Come off with some good stuff and we wait and we will but you have to hang in there because there's an important element of the goodbye that you're always great on all right. We've got to give our thank yous and first of all. Let's thank all of already entered on the rain dregs. instagram socials. 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Stanley Cup Champion - Victor Hedman (Tampa Bay Lightning)

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Stanley Cup Champion - Victor Hedman (Tampa Bay Lightning)

"Powered by gogo sports and in partnership with tsn. Welcome to season two episode. thirty one. The rain drake talking podcast presented by our good friends at in finnity man ray. We have got mountains of news. Montreal shea weber situation zakheim in toronto. Gabriel land gog with colorado avalanche. I mean we're recording this podcast app so thirty one thursday morning and i feel comfortable in saying by friday night. Lot of what we've talked about it's going to be somewhat. Aided but jr is the season. You enjoy this time of year. Doing i kind of don't because it just means i'm on the clock twenty four hours so we don't love that aspect but i do like how the landscape of each club and league in general can change because of all of the activity. I like it a lot. I mean it's interesting. There's lots of cool things that happen. I fully support your twenty four hour work at work rate here during the next week or two weeks or whatever. It's going to be. But i like it. I think it's interesting because every player that is available. Most teams are most fans of team. Think how that player can help them. You know it's almost like silly season because some of the players. Yeah they would help but it can't happen. There's no money there's no fat. there's no something or other. So i'd like the enthusiasm. That's one of the reasons. I'd love to see there. Be some provision to retain salary on a franchise player. If a team so chooses. I think would open up some trades during the year. It's part of the interest of it and this month in hockey which is usually previous month. I mean this is the time. It's june july that things really hap- yeah i in a lot is going now but obviously got the expansion draft looming. You've got the draft after that you've got all sorts of trade scenarios that are in play and sometimes we over sell that in our business because you'll want there to be a ton of activity but there will be with july twenty eight being free agent frenzy. Don't have this in the headlines. But i want your opinion on this. You know it's a flat cap for this upcoming season. Maybe even the season after that right and look we know that the free agents coming into this past season felt it. You know the guys who had to hit the reset button tyson berry and mike coffman and just go down the list. There are so many of them. Do you feel that it's gonna loosen even a little bit or to the managers still very much very much of the upper hand on these guys in term and the money that they're willing to spend. Oh i think the managers have the upper hand because no matter where the leverage point is. You can always push-back if you're in the manager's chair of saying hey look we don't know what our revenues are really going to be. We don't know what it's going to be coming back. We can guess we new tv deal in the united states with the spn and turner. But we don't know pass that like we just we just don't know and so think there is. There will always be leveraged for the most sought after players but pass those half a dozen. I think there's going to be a lot of players that are we'll see they'll be panicky but they'll be jittery and nervous and the first deal might look like the best deal for a lot of them episode thirty one brought to you by infiniti right now you can lou lisa q x fifty for four hundred ninety nine dollars monthly for twenty seven months at one point nine nine percent. That's with two thousand nine hundred ninety five dollars down but it includes a one percent rate reduction or get up to twelve hundred dollars in summer. Cash get to infinity dot ca for more into book your contactless test drive today. And ray. i had a great experience in the qs sixty earlier. This week just ran out to run an errand now even know where i was in some super mall parking lot. I always park away from cars right on a want. Anybody digging in the doors on this thing. It's beautiful kind of great blue collar guy. Wheels up leaves a stall open beside me in a corvette. Whatever you're that core was. I don't know it wasn't that old. And he'll be my god. That's beautiful garh is a book. Pop got thing. I gets around four hundred horsepower. His a high sought. And i'm like you know he. He boasted about having like four hundred and thirty seven horsepower. Or whatever in his corvette but he goes. My son saw that car he'd make me trade this thing and i just think two things he was drawn in by the look and then he wanted to tell you how many horsepower of course those are the two things going on there right there. I would look it. Looks great though. Drags it really does depend on my game though. Raya should've just automatically exaggerated. But i don't wanna tell you this thing's got like four hundred and forty five horsepower. Just to watch him twist a little bit. But i didn't know. I was being very honest so good. Well we had We had our infinity o camping last week. And you know we always talk about best in cargo or best in class cargo. Spada you've been camping. Drake's you gotta bring a lot of stuff a lot of stuff we had stuff in the infinity and it drove. Well it was comfortable like it always is. But i was looking out the back and i'm like i don't see the back. We have more stuff in there than is exactly how they tell us. It is when a nicely gave us the vehicles to use and mana loaded up and it was awesome was horrific. And look when when you go on vacation it makes sense. You know you're buying some stuff so you have more than when you left but when you're camping that shouldn't be the case. I just feel like you're probably more frantic. Just pack it in. Let's get going and get on the end of that packing job it's like i don't even know what i'm putting in here. Great podcast episode. Thirty one got full headlines of nhl news. More importantly given just the the history of the tampa bay lightning. Victor hedman of the lightning is joining us on the podcast. Episode thirty one. What a great guy right. i mean we. We recorded interview early still recovering from meniscus surgery which he had earlier this week. He do the podcast. Victor yeah no problem. What time you need me on like kind of typical of the swedes. Right just live in the moment. He's recovering doesn't have a whole lot going on before he heads over or back to sweden to enjoy his summer but really looking forward to that discussion with him man. What a player like as much as you can look at other players on that team. Just imagine what tampa bay looks. Like without victor hedman. They're not they're not even close. You can take any of those four words out of the lineup and goal man. That's a really different team. You take victor hedman out there not a championship team. Anybody who wants to be critical. Victor hedman in the playoffs. You gotta listen to the episode. Listen to the interview. Because he shed some light on what he was dealing with. No excuses right now. He's not saying. Oh i would have been better. Had this not been the case. i mean. that's pretty obvious. You know you your life share of issues. But he shed some light on some of the things that he was dealing with. Victor hedman of the lightning joining us shortly. If you've been paying close attention to our socials you know that we ran euro to twenty final poll presented by canadian club and we asked who win italy or england. Couple thousand votes received not bad and it was tight. But how about this right. Do you want to guess who the voters were. Who got it. Right in. Taking between england and italy like you. Can't you know. I was so disappointed that it was close strays. I wanted an onslaught for italy. Why i don't know because you can all cheer for whoever you want to cheer for but man the game was going to be close anyway. But i'm assuming italy would have been the favourite by a margin a narrow narrow margin greg's twitter fifty one percent to forty nine percent. Now you know. I'm not a huge gambler right. I love having chats as do you with cool beck curse curse abbott from quebec. But i know very little about it. So i'm watching the euro two thousand final with three bodies and one guy's an italian fan the other guys cheering for england. So hedge my bets right well. The one guy cheering for england. He's actually england wasn't there so he didn't know what was going on. So i bet twenty bucks that england would win with my body cheering for italy and then i bet fifty with my guy who was cheering for england. Who wasn't there. The italians win. So i came out thirty bucks a head. That's that's good hedging their no wa- it is because you want otherwise you would lost thirty. I couldn't well. That's true our that. I that tournament the way it's structured and the teams that are in it the countries that are in it is just great theater just so much fun i was. It was a fantastic final. All right. let's get to the headlines presented by tommy guns original barbershop and while we were going through our prep work. Talk about the podcast this morning. Thursday morning tweeted abode zakheim. The toronto maple leafs having permission to wows agent. Todd reynolds has permission to speak with all clubs around the national hockey league about a potential trade. So what that means is his rights would be traded or they could do sign and trade and toronto gets a little bit more potentially In that regard as well pretty clear indication and leaves fans on twitter. Ray are not loving life right now because you know they were holding out. Hope even though we've reported on this widely that it's unlikely hyman would be back he'd go to open market but when you give the agent permission to speak to other clubs it's pretty clear that zakheim and won't be back So your thoughts on that first. And how big of a whole does that leave in toronto's lineup while it leaves the an enormous hole because Hyman can play on any of your top three lines and has done that and has been a and has been a driving force not the most talented player but a driving force on each of those lines. He's got some injury history and acl a couple years ago. He's coming off a career year by goal. Wise i'm a big zakheim and fan. I i would love to play with him on my left wing. you know. Because he just he's relentless any works the way he works. I don't. I don't know why this is hard to to understand though and whether the you wanna look at it or not in this way. They have a bucket load of money in four forwards. Yeah you cannot have more money in five forwards. No you can't do. It just doesn't fit. It's eighty one point five. Eighty one point. Five rules everything. Ed so if i'm if i'm a team looking to acquire hyman i mean there's two ways still the that you're going to look at this a you can have the possibility of the sign and trade. Which but that would mean you'd to give up more assets than you will previously. Secondly is that you could make the trade for a draft pick and then take your chances because this has happened before and teams have traded Pick for a player in the not been able to sign him. Your another interesting thing. You know why the lease got zach. Hyman that's because it wouldn't sign in florida right and so they made that trade. It was a. I don't know it was greg mckeag and a seventh round picks for zakheim until newly signed him and they got all. This great work from hyman for people saying always should've taken a hometown discount. Not chance now. If you're in that if you're somebody making an eight nine ten million dollar range maybe you can take a little bit of discount when you're when you've got one kicking the can and this is it it is. It's not a hometown discount. All and it's gonna be interesting. The market i mean. We've we've talked podcast we've talked on radio shows cetera. We know the oilers. They're going to be interested. I don't know how vegas can do it. I mean obviously mccrimon would have to clear out salary to get in that discussion. But i think vegas would would like his character. Is they find a score. Drake's vegas gotta find a score that man the every year they give it thousand. Yeah it's four thousand shots on goal and they can't score and you know who i i mean i don't know but you're seattle. Wouldn't you really look at this. Who absolutely what. If you're trying to build your culture build the way that you do things zach. Hyman would be a fantastic letterhead to put their because of the way the way works off the ice his his community work is the the full basically the full package. Four him. i. I think he for an expansion team he would debt i. I'd be shocked. If ron francis isn't on on the phone. I mean i don't know as i told you i i get near khamis office in the in in it's steel bolt so i got no idea what's going on but that edmonton for sure the primary team though right what about colorado. What if they can't get gabe. Landis skog signed absolutely and but by the way. If i had a choice i would. I would select land god. Are you surprised that why. Don't we transitional the land is god colorado situation. What was unusual about the. So you know. I and others reported earlier this week. That negotiation with the avalanche was not going well and that joseph was going to have to really adjust change his position to the better of gave lands gog financially in term wise to close the gap even a little bit and what was surprising to me that that stuff gets out right people talk. That's what we do we report on. It landed scott going on the record and openly talk about how disappointed he is in colorado. And you know the fact that they haven't been more forthcoming. That's a bit of a surprise because you're not months away from free agency your days away from free agency. I that that tells you. How big of a gap there actually is when the captain of the club or highly respected player worldwide comes out and says i'm disappointed in my team for not showing me more men that there's there's a lotta repair work if this going to be selfish. There's a lot of damage control. That has to get done here. I don't know if it's damage control. It's it's dollars and years there. There's a control fried right. There's how you do the damage that. But you gotta look at for a as. I said about hyman eighty-one five rules. Everything so you can't sign gabe. Land skog to along deal in a rich deal. You've got nate mckinnon. It's six million bucks that deals gonna end. Yeah and what do you think needs. Numbers going to be Twice rampant in his just signed in renton and is star. Oh by the way. Kale cars up via. What are you paying him like. Eventually it's much like tampa bay. It's not like you are gonna turn players away 'cause l. We don't like that guy anymore. Your tau turning players away. You do not want to turn away right. But in order mckinnon macara rampton are ahead of land scott And so you gotta be careful like if you if you pay him six times or seven times six something like that. will eventually. You're going to run out of money at the other end because my car's gonna get a big number if it's not this deal. It's the next deal. He's getting a big number. He's a star tough situations around the national hockey league because what's looming the expansion draft which we've touched on protected lists have to be in on saturday So if you're listening to this podcast after saturday some of this is going to be dated. Were recording thursday. Morning news breaks wednesday renault lewa from tv reporting that the montreal canadians unlikely to protect their captain shave weber and it does make sense man. It's such a tough business. You know we talk about land gog and you know. He's probably feeling disrespected. In all of this and with flat cap it's just business. That's what it is. But then you look at shea weber. I thought he was tremendous in the playoffs in particular in the stanley cup final. I mean brayden. Point was ready to lose his mind in that series because every time he looked up he saw this mountain of a human being shea weber and there's a laundry list right of of injuries. It's the foot it's the knees it's the ankle. It's the hands. I mean on and on and on it goes so it's a developing story. We don't know that shea weber is packing news at five more years left and a lot of money on the table. You know could be placed on long-term injury for potentially the entire season twenty one twenty two well. The national hockey league has to dive into that. So we're going to revisit this in many headlines to come here on the ranger eggs podcast. But it's it's a sad one isn't it because four. Is it just the body of every player that that gets to that point in his career where the body just can't do it anymore. Why i mean there. Is that the undefeated. Father time right yeah. Age gets everybody even. If it doesn't look like it eventually age. Get you but the injury volume for shea. Weber is as someone who's retired and gone through lots of injury and And seeing the repercussions of it as you get older. Feel badly for him because these things don't just go away when you get older like they. They could do whatever surgery they're gonna do. There's a there's a long term effect to this. But the thing is and i i know there's been lots written and talked to vote to the players. Know the long term effect of these injuries. You do but it's like when your dad told you something and until you get there you don't realize how his experiences is so worthwhile. So when i'm playing people are telling me i you know this might be an issue when you're older and i'm like yeah i'm thirty years old. Not worried about older. I'm worried about getting back in the lineup. Like i had without knowing what kind of surgery. Victor hedman had the other day. I had a meniscus surgery. And i played twelve days later because we were in a playoff race and my knee ballooned up all the time. And the doc said look we can keep draining it but if we drain it. There's this is not good for your knee. And i'm like let's drain it. We'll see how it works. And then a few days later i drain it again but it was my choice. My stubbornness to stay in the lineup. And she weber's not staying in the lineup because he thinks it's a fun thing to do although is awesome. He wants to play. He wants to win. And you know i. I hope long-term that that he's able to get sorted here. I mean these. Are you know this is getting around stuff right. Not just skating he. He must have been in a lot of discomfort but man he played hard. I i when. I'm reading those injuries. On like how the hell did he play the way. No kidding. no kidding Why don't we an headlines with a smile on. Can you see this few look into you. Kidding me i am. I'm for youtube. People half aggravation of this crap that we're looking at here okay. So those listening to the podcast. James duffy who. We have a lot of fun at his expense. Here on the podcast. So we're recording at thursday. Say nine fifteen. Am eastern time. James sends me a picture. And he's standing with the ball in hand. Bent over the whole par-three don't know which of course his first hole in one. So i just forward that picked to ray ferraro which is why you got the reaction for ray that you did. Are you kidding me while if you look at that picture dregs there's another thing too. Because do you have a hole in one non league on par three courses. I've got a couple but kind of counts doesn't count. Yeah i agree. But everybody's got a story both their whole in one. Look at the pitch mark. I know see that that is two feet three feet in front of the whole yeah and bam. It must have been one hop in the whole. He's super so an all. He's going to be nauseous talking about it. Yeah congratulations jimmy do do believe. He's bent over in the fashion that he is because he would think this through as a visual guy right so for the picture he would pose bent over so that we could see pitch mark in the entire flag. An everything about it. yeah. I don't i don't think there's any chance i think that's the third photo of the whole for. Let me look at it. Let me check no taken out one all right. Well we didn't intend on ending headlines with james dot his career ace but but that outbreaking news drake. And i knew you'd appreciate it and i knew we'd have some fun so there you go this time. Not james dot. These time this time get a haircut shave reacquainted with your manley awesomeness ray. You did recently didn't you. Tommy guns original barbershop. Exhaust them awesome great shop. Really great people in there. I was pumped the fact that when i got home cami actually noticed that. I've got a haircut and that. I got my beard trip. That's that's a good thing. I haven't been i'm going to go. I obviously need to go. I'm concerned that when i get into tommy guns. They're gonna go. You want us to do something about that. Touch of grey. And i don. I feel it a distinguished. Look now. i'm in my fifties. It's too late okay. You start coloring now. Drake's he looked like cheech looked like john. Geert it's league or you look like duffy. What color is he going these days anyway. I think it's called chestnut something like that. Almond you can download the tommy guns app and check in now. Get your hair coloring with a little bit of advance notice. Our interviewing this episode is with victor hedman brought to you by our good pals at canadian club. Whisky who are asking. Are you over beer. Hey why not try. Refreshing canadian club ginger ale squeezed some lime in their little fresh orange. Lemon whatever you've got next time you're having a drink or you're watching the game. It's rare for. I've been telling you about the team of specialists at north beach agency. You don't just have to take my word for it. I'm blair manton of sans and associates. Licensed insolvency trustees north beach. Is marketing strategies. Help us reach more and more clients every month for businesses. That want great results. I recommend you talk to the north each team to request a complimentary digital audit for your business visit north beach. Agency dot com. That's north beach. Agency dot com all right. We're going now on the android occupied gas by victor hedman of the tampa bay. Lightning victor first of all. Thanks for doing this. I mean debris from what is it. Now we're recording on thursday so ten days of celebrating which was richly earned but how much sweeter was winning the stanley cup at home in front of your family and friends now obviously very special and you know you can take away from the first one but do it at home game five in a one. Nothing game and a full out in full. Full crowd in the stands. Friends and family like you said was unimaginable and Something you never thought you were gonna be able to experience that. Was you know much so as dream come true which which cup was harder to win First or the second or the religious different there were different than way. Obviously i think the first one. I think everyone benefited from you know. Being in a bubble wasn't a whole lot of travel. You know the only time travel was from toronto edmonson. So you're in your bed. You know right away after game and able to recover but this time you knows different you a flying back and forth and doing all that stuff but you know. They're both very hard to win. It's not an easy stanley cup to win. So and and i've been in this league for a long time and it's taken a lot of a lot of ups and downs due to get to this point so so they will do back to back. Years is yeah it's Leaves you speechless when you when you win. At what point do you start thinking back over the time that you've been in the league in the time she didn't winner the times. You were hurt or the the stuff like wendy. When do you think of that in. It must be just amazing to look backing. Oh man we were there now were here. Yeah you know you look back in my first year in the league. We miss the playoffs. And you know going into my second year. You know mr vinick game in team. In a steve gaming the became the head coach we went to conference final loss in game seven to boston. One nothing you know. That's realized like how hard it is to get to this point and then we had some ups and downs twelve fifteen. We played against Probably one of the best teams in the salary cap. Barron chicago you know. Ups tell like how experienced they were. There were never any panic in their game. You know even though we're up to one after games three there was no panic in their game. They knew what they had to do kind of to win those games. And you know you gotta learn somehow through the down south to respond as a group and you know. I think that's now rob ac- the result of that and you know we were able to shave kind of the mentality on our team got got all the skill in the world. But i don't think we're running guns tampa bay lightning anymore more. I think we can lay in a anyway. Want us to play to run a gun show. We can play that way. But if you wanna play a defensive style game we can do that too and one nothing games in game one. Nothing against islanders game seven and then one. Nothing is montreal game five and also i think that goes to show yes the maturity of our group. And how we you know going to overcome these verses hit before you know we kind of very confidence obviously inner game. Yeah that's a fair statement. I mean there are so many layers now to the depth of the tampa bay lightning. We talk a lot about that. But your focus now is unrest. It's on recovery. But so many guys who have won the stanley cup. Victory in the past a man. It's hard it's so difficult to win back to back. We'll you've won back to back now. Is in justice justifiable rest and recovery right now. When's the brain. Take you to that place where you're thinking. Geez the supreme good team. We're gonna lose some buddies here but we get a chance to win three in a row. Yeah exactly that's kind of the the way it is like for me right now. You start surgery a couple of days ago so a lot about rest are covered right now but at the end of the day you know we love playing hockey. We'd love to win and you know kind of rubs off on you when you wanna buy. When to you know like i said it's stuff in the salary cap era to keep every on no that s kind of our mindset going in kind of like the last you know last downs but all the build Guys and for us to you know. Try and keep the core Bringing guys that can help us win. That's a mind cycle. four winner here to dissatisfied. You always super happy about winning two but again. How much did you guys talk about. Bad that i mean. The obvious is that there are going to be some players. That just can't be back just and it's weird because a lot of times teams change players anyway and that's just the way it goes but this one it's going to be players you guys don't want to change our. How much did that come up like that. Come up a lot or is it just kind of something that was out in the air. Now we talked about it a lot. Think i mean not not before every game but you know you have you know game is kinda sliding you know you kinda wanna bring the rally the troops a little bit and you know in the back of our heads. Everyone knew about it. Obviously but i think it was good to talk about two in the locker room. And you know you can't see how responded after losses is last swell and you know. This group is special in last year was very special and You know shane. Somebody's this year but the main you know a lot of the guys were back and you know you would have felt like a win. You know we've got some good good guys. You know savvy savia there at the deadline. Ross coal from coming in and playing. I'm blue blue well so you know for us to. We're gonna lose more guys this year. We know that and at the end of the day. That's that's part of the business but it's You know the ones that have been together for two cups. That's kind of what always said to like. We'll we'll go down in history as back-back champs in you know. No one is ever going to take that away from us. Doesn't matter where you play next year you'll will send up together and that was kind of the mindset going into these playoffs finals. You know victor. I'm always impressed with the winner of the stanley cup Mostly because we know how hard it is to win but all you have to battle the injuries that the players play through some them nagging but some of them be on nagging right. They need surgical repair and yours was one of those. I mean jon. Cooper duly breeze bubble talked about the fact. You've played with tournus. You mentioned earlier here in the interview. That gad the surgery a couple of days ago so how did it go and how you feeling. And what's the long term prognosis when you can get back training and will you be ready for training camp. Yeah that's the plan all while and you'll s- better by each day so You know a few more days here in tampa than finally get to go back to sweden the rest of my family and my friends and you know it's been. It's been a long time. Since i went home so You know it all went well and But that's the point like you could probably do during the year but you never know until you actually opened up Now when risk that so you know for us. You know the place for that you. I had to find a little bit of a different way to play. my game. couldn't be as aggressive as a wanted but still felt find a way to be affected and look at. You know i think you learn this. Yes out of this world you know. He puts a rod in his leg. Estimated may be able to play one game shows up the martine. And so when you said you go home when you say you who home is that the first time in a couple of now victor. Nah i was home a little bit before the bubble last year but a year is a long time you know. Yeah bob sweden so especially this time of the air. You know obviously much family back home in france that you haven't been able to share anything with you know two cops baby since since i left so it's been nine months of you know miss looking forward to back home and celebrate this This case so we see we see this picture of this beautiful bowl of the stanley cup. Which is now flat on on one side of our. Are these back to back both parading. He's going. They look like they're unbelievable. Yeah they are kind of like the first with really sure what was like is going to be. Boats is going to be a lot of people but you know they blew us out of the water. It's been even this year was a was even more boats I dunno probably more people but when you come in to downtown tampa right there by the convention center was just yeah. It was yes. The sites were unbelievable. I'm just goes to show about tampa community really care about assen they've been we've been spoiled. The last last year with three professional trophy is so the boat parades are out of this world and good planning to because it was beautiful weather then we kinda came to were supposed to be introduced in the rain took over so they got It's got council but we're still find a way to get out there 'cause defense still there so we'll see an amazing feeling seeing all the fans all the boats it was. It was awesome when you you're growing back home. So many great swedish defenseman. who is. Who's your guy when you were a kid. When i was a kid who was not a defensive amounts. You weren't you evil. God you'd forward or no. You are defensemen but your guy was a forward. Yeah those peter forsberg. Yeah pretty good. Yeah yeah you know. I'm spoiled being for where i am older. Role modest ad. You know you've got peter. Mark is the twins that i got to play with nick. Sundstrom mitya's mander andress. Amundsen are spark lauded. Guys that have played over here unicef. Yes fascinating seeing all the guys coming out of our hometown. Night liners and victor in buffalo. You know you get guys. It'll from our hometown making making the city proud. You know from a sitter. You know fifty sixty thousand people produce Guys has been remarkable so You know we're spoiled and they showed us that it was possible so hopefully we can do the same for kids back on. Why why so. Many whites think why. Why could so many from an area that size. I'm no clue easing the bid. I know a lot of people who tried to find the answer to it. But i don't think anyone ask. But i mean you could say it's coincidence but i don't think it is but it's yes. The you know great. Coaching make a lot of people. Point to a guy named andress melander. Who ran the hawk at school. They're great coach in from young age. And you know it's no real pressure either was yes go out to have Play on the pond outdoor ranks and you know s. Go with it you know. I played soccer for long. Which thought helps me as well with my hockey game. you know. I think that was a big thing for me. And no pressure really like those no extra camps here and there was just fun and do whatever you want and i love hockey so you know a made it because i thought it was the best thing ever speaking playing soccer. Those who watch the youtube channel. We'll see the picture behind you. Those who are listening to the podcast. There's a manchester united poster framed behind you so on a yeah side of the red sea ray. That was the reason. I brought it up. Raise a big soccer fan as well. Victor just you know. Both boys are Terrific soccer players in bc. Who'll here liverpool here. We're done. That's how i was brought up. My older brothers were being menu fans and those kind of was nothing else. And i've been there. I've been there once only because it's been kinda tough with scheduling over here obviously to to get over there. But you know. I'm a diehard soccer fan overall. Manu's always been my team. And i don't know exactly how it started but you know old trafford theater dreams probably most famous soccer arena. Where all lay ago a few a few miles in play at anfield against liverpool in beating them. That's probably the best fuel world. It's amazing isn't it. Isn't it amazing. The passion of all like it's it. Did you watch your much. Were able to with all. That was going on as much as i could. You know obviously sweden going through in the group stage and lewis into ukraine. But i thought they did a great tournament. Yes from the group of raymond. Everything so i was trying to watch as much as i could and was a great serna. You play all through every sweet. Plays golf you guys are good at it to really good at it. I'm gonna put my category. But i love it and I haven't been able to play in a long time. But you know that's great break. I think and especially living in climate. We do a three hundred sixty five days ear. so we're spoiled down here for sure. But the spices. I can and try to get out. You don't stacey playroom who's the best player in the lightning. Who's the best qualified. Alex go probably would have to say we've had some comes through j. T. miller was pretty good. Greg mccaig was probably the best one. But alex has been the mainstay. He's i get into sad though when we play our match. So i'll need to do that but we we have a blast. What we played golf and you know something on the line as well and stuff like that so usually play two against to immune status uses the team. So nice with get in their heads which is good a Just a couple. More victor So you guys for months have been listening about salary cap in akita. Coocher off the mass. Whatever so you guys win. And we don't see personality. Of course you guys see personality when kucherov comes out does that press conference or the zoom call. Whatever at the end. I think people were astounded. That speaks english as well as he does. Because he doesn't do a lot of interviews but is he always like that is he. Felt like he was hilarious in that that i said number one bullshit five hundred times since he said yeah. Coach is hilarious guy. He's a super competitor. When it comes to playing hockey he just got a lot of a lot of pressure on himself. But you know he's such a fun guy you know like you said it's english is great dollar russians. English are great but yeah a hilarious guy above goods. He's come a long way since he got into the league. But it's a world class player and to do what he did in the playoffs for not playing one single game regular season then Or his ramp in game six or game five against islanders tremendous. what he did and Know i think he has he lets loose after he wins so it's the same last year so great stuff His special player but and the great great person. We'll let you go vector any plans. We thought what you're gonna do this time with the stanley cup Gotta start planning that. Probably i think it will come up very quick so We can figure out a way to get it to sweden this time and You didn't have it at home right. You were able to have it. They'll i wasn't so a lot of in. I'm going to tell i'm not coming back until i get to cut back on put letter get into europe than get it to russia. Sweden check in salonika. Meanwhile to us to obviously win it over here but me so much for us. The showed up for sale francis family. So it'll be nice to get back on. That's terrific victor Get well glad to hear that. Things have progressed since winning the stanley cup on the health front. We really appreciate you taking the time to join us. Have a great summer. Thank you guys Thanks bye yeah. We'd like to raise a glass to our guest victor. Hedman victor cheers brought to you by our friends Canadian club whisky. I don't know. Would you be as relaxed as victor hedman. Was there way you know ten eleven days after winning your second consecutive stanley cup. I guess aside from recovering from meniscus surgery. He's he's living the dream and can't wait to jump on a plane and as he talked about as he should plan his day with the stanley cup in sweden like so many of the other europeans. Want why i think there's a lack of sleep relaxation. To i mean like you've seen these guys they're blowing it. Oh pretty good there again. Yeah yeah he's a pretty calm guy. It looks like anyway really cool to listen to what he had to play through What he thinks of his teammates how much they talked about. 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Yeah and i'm interested in that because like interesting. Well yeah. I mean look. The power goes out with the cabbage. What happens you needed. You gotta you gotta get on that man. You sure you need a generator. You visit. Yamaha motor dot ca for more information or to find the closest dealer near you. And when i said we were doing something different with our performance player of the week. Actually shout out to rob gray. Who helps us with a podcast. Because he came up with a good idea. Even though i was stressed and thinking about it yesterday i lot going on on wednesdays back in the u haul of with you daughter katie. Lots of stuff going on. But we can't provide a performance player of the week because the stanley cup spin warded. And we did that last week in episode thirty so we're going positionally forward defence goaltender coach general manager performance individuals of the season. How's that so. Let's start up front live and he got up front. Wrap it up. it's an easy ones. Connor mcdavid he had two points a game many times this year. It looked like he was just playing a video game and he was faster than everybody else i. He had an amazing year for me. It's mcdavid i agree. So connor mcdavid for both of us on defense while couple of like some really good choices on the blue line I'm gonna take while becomes an easy. One i can take the norris trophy winner adam fox from From new york he really really was surprised in not the way produced points but in the way he played the rest of the game as well for me. Anyway he's better than i thought. I thought he had an unreal year. So adam fox's mike guy nice. I thought long and hard about our guests. Victor hedman former norris trophy winner. Five time finalist by the way not. I thought you don't want he's one enough back to back stab the norris everything that goes into the life of victor hedman. He's not going to be offended by me. Not choosing him. So i'm going with another youngster in in kalema car. We we talked about. You know kale's contract and how that's going to impact the colorado avalanche but as it should. I mean you know like adam fox. He just seems to be better and better and wind and right up nicely as he's barely entering his prime barely so Kale macara for me on defense gold standing. Think we're unanimous with this as well as the best goal in the game andrei vasilevskiy. He's man. I talked about headman earlier. And what he means that team. How about when you finally get down there. You finally get the puck finally get control. We've got that giant acrobatic athletic goaltender in the net I think andrei vasilevskiy is the best agreed and you know had been talked about being able to win the one. Nothing game right in game seven. And i think that vasilevskiy made on beauvillier on the break. So i agree. That's let's all right Coach of the year for you a. rod brindamour Coach of the voted site a new extension. He just looks like a guy would love to play for. I just i love his energy. I love his intensity He's done a terrific job in carolina. So he's he's mine. The i i was leaning towards Jon cooper for similar reasons victor hedman. He's one enough highly decorated. All that unlimited jared bednarz. I love the work. I didn't know much about jared bednarz when he was hired by the colorado avalanche. But i always feel like it's not just about the players often you know. The players are most deserving of the credit. Because they play the game they win the games but beden are has to be a real good coach. He asked to be just the way that his young guys are developing. And just how. Well this team has come along so dir. Bednarz might coach and your gm of note rate So couple of guys jumped out. But i pick mark berge vam mainly because of the year that he had were. I think most people thought he had an excellent off-season between the bubble and the start of this past year and then the canadian started so good and then they got so bad and then they got so good like he was geometry year. Then he got fired then he was. Gm the year. I'm voting him as my gm of the year because the moves he made with the focus on being in the playoffs. They worked because the got to the finals now. I don't know what they're going to be like next year. My guess is going to be a bit of a struggle but Berge van is is my gm now. Yeah topped argue. I mean they're all tough to argue splitting heirs with with all of these positions julien brisebois of the tampa lightning and i know podcast listeners. Go really. I mean eighteen million over the cap all of that. I get it. But he made some moves along the way including last season in coleman and goodrow this year david savar paid high premium price to acquire those pieces but the proof is there and back to back stanley cups. Navigate do the gymnastics that he has had to with his group in in tampa bay cap related he by nod for the gm of the year. So thank you to yamaha. For all of that and rate you know what yamaha does. He revs your heart yamaha. These your heart nice. I like to go back late heian. Hey i do. I love it. You know who are watching on the youtube channel. Can't see you. But you perk up man. It's like as soon as the county. You funner percent and yeah mm appreciates it Chris abbott is able to join us in episode thirty one. That's all right. We're going to go to cool. Bet dot co anyway and the open underway. Oh yeah i love the british show. But i do just because of the drama. You've you have that at the masters you have that at the. Us open but because of how the conditions can vary in europe. It's it's just such a fun tournament to to watch so we thought that we would try and do our best to cover some of it right in the absence of Chris abbott so i don't i mean you want to look at some of the players and try and pick a winner based on on the odds and payouts could be or where do you wanna start. Yeah hard hard to hard to pick winners. I find in a golf tournament. There's probably twenty guys that you look at and go. Yeah they could they could they could and you really believe it at the british. There's always somebody that comes from nowhere And you're like how do they get in the mix like what are they doing. They're like one guy like that could be matthew fitzpatrick right. And he just these from over there He's a really good player. He would be one. That i would say i'd put on my outside the outside the favourite list. He would be one. But i i'm a big mcelroy. Fannies plus twenty two hundred. I know there's some speed wobbles in his game and stuff. But i think he can win. I really do yeah. That's that's stuff to debate and dj and brooks kept by the way. Yeah aurora's plus twenty two hundred dj and captor plus two thousand zanesha awfully is interesting. There's a guy who can can bring his game. He's at plus eighteen hundred any surprise the jordan. Speak at plus four fifty. He's got a bit of a game rolling around two right now. Yeah he does speak can pot. The greens are a little slower over in europe. And so if you can keep the ball online you got a chance. I speak as a good pick he is. I gotta say of all the names. We've mentioned i really want zander. Shaw flee to win a tournament soon. I i love. The way plays a love his demeanor. I think he's a fantastic player and I think it's just a matter of time for him. Yeah louise says and has always in my pools. I pick him in every major he just grind means at right came. Close the us open. It felt bad for them on sunday. But he's plus seven hundred. We something with him. Oh isn't it. He's always like iron ore bucs. He look he looks at it. He just looks like he. Titles down the fairway hits. The shot goes up pots and then it something just goes and lands right on his on his toll when that's the end of them for the for the tournament. You wanna put one hundred on phil plus twelve thousand four hundred. No chance for phil. No i mean it. It'd be no chance that these this is not the place all right all right google dot. Co chris album will join us in episode. Thirty two so We're looking forward to the duration of the british open. Time check in and ask grand rigs anything every week. We invite you to join us on twitter. Fire questions or on instagram. At ray andrey or on the website if you choose rain dregs dot com. Rain rigs is presented by indeed dot ca. One of the best things with the andy matters is a thou- there designed with a breathable open cell. Foam that is temperature neutral to give you that. Perfect comfortable sleep even in the hot months of summer. Andy as it all right now pillow. Cheats do covers. weighted blankets. Bedframes v mattresses who you can take that great sleep on the road with you. You need to use code ray. Seventy five to get seventy five dollars off a mattress at envy dot ca the two thousand twenty one winner of the best mattress in canada from lance ray What is the point of no move clauses if they can be waived by players. Isn't there a better way for players to have enough control like once they reach a certain age of years of nhl service. They get an opportunity to name three teams annually that they cannot be moved to something like that. I mean they do do that right. Maybe not under the context of the no move clause more in a modified note trade clause. But let's just say that it gives players more control but it does leave flexibility for the team to maximize the value of their assets. Your thoughts on the no move no-trade because they have kinda. It is protection for the player. But if i'm the general manager and ray ferraro is a no move plaza. And i come to ray and i say hey i'd like to move you. You're not what you want. Were your role is going to diminish all of that. Isn't that basically telling you that you're not really welcome anymore. So maybe there's a better opportunity elsewhere. It is and if i really like it there. I can tell him to beat it now. That's the whole point of having the no move. Don't negotiate the men. I can't believe general managers got so free with these no move clauses. It's their own fault. Yeah like negotiate in a ten team trade. The reason you like when lance says you know they can name three teams in or something like that gives lots of flexibility. That's the point when you earn this. No move clause or the team wants to give you one. You don't want the team to have any flexibility. The whole point is. I want to stay here. Yeah so if they get to a point you go and ask them. You don't have to say yes and the gm can say. Oh i'm gonna make your life miserable really how you going to do that. You're paying me millions of dollars now. Now it's tough like that. I just sorry. I just this stokes me a bit because i think this is one hundred percent on the general managers. Don't give them out. And if you lose a player that you have to give no trade to for eight years unless it's connor mcdavid. What are you doing that for right. Don't go get another player in some. Gm's do take that hardline position. I would say the majority obviously do not. But some do thanks for that lance from paul. Ray you played in the days of the single official and the role of the enforcers so based on lack of consistent officiating in the to rep system and multiple player injuries from second fractions headshots and limited to no accountability. According to paul. Would you prefer to go back to old time hockey. No chance i think we have a romanticism of what what we remember from the quote unquote good old days. And it wasn't as good as you thought like the one ref system. You could do anything on the ice and not get caught. Yeah so like one thing i would do is if so you're in a battle in some guys beating the hell out of you and the play goes back up the ice. You just wait until the referee was facing up. Play where the puck wasn't take a baseball swing on the back of his legs like no penalty. Who's gonna see it. Yeah like how could that be good. No the stick infractions. Were always there. The headshots have i think. Come with the increased speed of the game and when you myth we were going a lot slower so when you missed on your check you probably didn't hit the guy in the head and i think the guys were a little more cautious. I really do but man. The guys are going so fast one official now would be just the know they would be a disaster. You wanna end ask and rigs anything on a bit of a funny one of a personal. Are you saying it's funny. Or or do i get the edge that i'm deeply amused but let's just see home. Used you are by okay sure. Question comes from landon. How many shots did you top. A role unwholesome. Six three six. Six is a par-five up the hill. Yesterday who good. I hit my drive right away. I hit it nagel. I lost it and land in my son. Who's a smart ass. And our buddy sean. They both laugh and they go. It's about forty yards in front of the t. blocks. Look i. I must have hit right on top of the ball so now why top a three would that rolls up about one hundred sixty yards or whatever so now i'm like okay. This is a joke. So now i gotta hit another three wood and that one as well and now you're getting worried all we now it's in my head. What if this is. What if this is the way the rest of the day goes right. However i got my fourth one in the air i hit in the bunker but i he got it in the air or anyway. It's kinda bad embarrassing. Speed wobble and the fact that those guys were giggling so much really made it not that much fun so you are. You're okay for the first three but the fourth one is wearing a mind game started said oh as i was walking up drake's after it. Yeah third one. I'm like it's like when somebody hits man. I say they're like oh my gosh now what. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. I walked up there and i'm like man. I just wanna get this thing in the air i just need. I hit this and you finished strong. No doubt and i'll landed. Yeah while i I was eighty yesterday. Well yeah i. I gave away a lot of shots. Yesterday i'll get it back you all the way. Golf is drake's. There's another day. Idioms another round big end of the week for you right in the family. Yes lands get married tomorrow. Him and his beautiful fiancee. Emily or getting married friday. Now they were gonna get married. There's this area in stanley. Park are beautiful park here in vancouver and They were gonna get married there tomorrow afternoon. And now we got a text yesterday that They have to hold on for a new location. Is there's a pack of coyotes walking around stanley park. So we're going to have a new venue. Just don't know where maybe that's occurred. All of you heard us before. The ferraro granado compound. Maybe it could be. It could be what will be great about that is all e will be yelping. Because he won't be able to be outside so i don't mean to present. This is a bad omen. I wish land. Emily nothing. But the best i have one memory who stanley park and i would have been like three years old so that's a long time ago. It's fifty years ago right but this is like this. I'm scarred so just been around with my family walking around. Come to the card parking lot. And this woman just screeches all right. My parents run around to see what's going on little boy. The dad or the mom had accidentally slammed their hand in the card. Or oh like i kid. You not like from all four fingers in the door. So i she'll thinking of that drake's it's honestly fifty years later and as soon as you said. Stanley bargain had nothing to do with the pending nuptials. Or any of that you said stanley park. Visualize this this this child with its hands star or brutal man i. I don't know what the damage was. It wasn't as extensive thankfully as one might expect but again the little miss of the hand and the child probably on that note. Why don't we end. Senator buddy off with like good feelings breaks. I know you're gonna have a good end of the week. And i suspect that the celebrations will continue into the weekend while. Yeah i gotta tell you where super excited about this. Were landon leaving for germany. Next saturday to go back to cologne so this kind of our last week here i will say next week in. You know you always ask me. Hey what's the week old for the wedding. And since the good time as the next week is Is about survival drake's it's like It's like the show survivor. Cam gone all week. Jose for expansion week godspeed to the kids godspeed to the kids. They're pretty excited. Because we loaded the door dasha ordering thingamajig on my phone. Because he'll be no cooking. There'll be no now is cammie a mom. Not saying she should do this. Because you're right now door to ask if the dishes everything's overeats although you have lubar nbc. At i don't think you know yeah ordering it it it ends up at your door and like thirty forty minutes but this cami prepacked meals and freeze them so that the kids can just grab something at some not. I'm i'm good. The kids are in good hands up until about four o'clock metal breakfast lunch not a problem. i am certain. There's a growing list of things not to forget. Okay and it's gonna look like wallpaper by the time cameras ready to go. I'm going to wait. I'll leave you alone. Monday tuesday by wednesday big. I'm going to start to pester you. Because i feel like that's when you'll be just priming is late wednesday welter my good buddy. Dan murphy from sports net said take the kids to the movie that we can grab a couple of hours nap. Start a bad call. It's not a bad all right. Well get through it. I know you're gonna have lots on and you're moving. You're moving your daughter off the school. Katie is on the road. Yeah as we speak. She is in a truck pulling a u. Haul and heading to thunder bay and lake ed university so excited about that. But can you know this. I mean when the kids leave fulltime. You know it's a tough one right. You're sitting there going Wonder if she's coming back and if she does come back that's not a good thing so well the answer is on her way. We'll be back. Yeah she'll be back at some point she'll be back all come back don't they. And you know what you're kind of happy when they do absolutely all right buddy now. It's been another entertaining episode. Thanks to victor hedman for joining us and look forward to episode thirty two next week. You bet you have a great weekend. Have a great week. 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Penguins President of Hockey Ops Brian Burke

The Ray & Dregs Hockey Podcast

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Penguins President of Hockey Ops Brian Burke

"From north beach podcast in partnership with kea san. Welcome the season two episode. Twenty one of the rain drags hockey podcasts presented by our new reagan dregs title sponsor in Man i've been having a lot of fun with my infinity. I got the accused. Sixty right. this is a little too or rocket. four hundred horsepower just a beautiful smoky. Blue kind of grey paint Red leather interior. I'm a big truck guy. We've talked about on the podcast lots of times. But it's nice to have fun driver that comes across for me. Anyway is a bit of a distraction. I am absolutely loving it. it's happy it's a head. Turner everything about the x sixty. I've liked in the first week of avenues them. Well i got my fifty five on the weekend and So it's a a luxury mid size. Suv it really goes. I gave it a little zip because there had some room Given a task it's comfortable. It's got the twenty twenty two has technology that is for ease. 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I you know it's it's bizarre place to be I think one mother's day. I think i'd really but i actually fluked into it. So on saturday. I realised that mother's day is sunday so i'm thinking you've coworker plant. You put a lot of planning into this. Yeah well look i. I mean this is going to sound harsh. But my theory is katie's twenty. Two mason is almost twenty Holly is their mom. So it's their responsibility to figure this all i. You're on them. Like i called my mom. I wish my mama happy. Mother's day all of that but you do have responsibility as a husband to make it a special day because they they've earned that that one day or they've earned that special days full panicked. I'm like we're in a full stay at home. Nonsense locked down here and yet shop for anything other than shopping online and again. This is saturday. So i'm too late the shopping on some thinking shoppers drug mart. Here we help get company gets cheap flowers and some chocolate and away we go however i'm scrolling through instagram Saturday morning buckingham meets You see all the things that i do on instagram. I got the smugly. You love your love your love that. Yeah my good friend. Shawn angela buckingham meets. It's like a old home style butcher and i love. It's just such a good experience when i'm there. Anyway i see that they're promoting lobster which is unique because they don't do seafood. Unlike all here we go so quickly. Tax sean at buckingham like sean. I'm ana here buddy. I said please tell me you still have some lobster. Yeah no problem. I'll have a bag for your reading at the back door. So within an hour. I went from panic to winning mother's day because we had a beautiful lobster of lunch on sunday before i had to go into the ottawa calgary game sunday night and holly was over the moon so and so she thinks to the kids are were unbelievable. Doesn't gene no. Yeah in fact. I think she responded on instagram. No to the kids now. Oh oh thinking that they were behind it. You know. I made sure to take full avoir strategy. Good strategy how will you. How did it go how we were good. We had a good mother's day. We we got up riley's fourteen so we gotta give him a little russell to get him out of bed so cook breakfast. And this year. The both recent riley actually helped like that was awesome. Risking cam cam had pretty relaxing morning. We have breakfast together. We just kind of hung out a little bit then. Cammie wanted to go for a hike and so we went for a hike. And because i want dinner to be really good. We ordered it. Because you don't want me to cook it. You're supporting local though. There's nothing wrong with yes absolutely and so. She said she had a great mother's day. That is the best reece's in the fifth grade. So they're still in the port where they make those cute cards boy. You made a really great card for cami and riley when naturally shopped and got one and wrote a really nice thing inside and so it was. It was a great day for us. That's terrific. We've got a good podcast had presented by our friends at infinity. Brian burke the president of hockey operations for the pittsburgh penguins will stop by burke's he's always good pau gasol water. Isn't he just financially. Where with them. While there's not much is going to skirt. He's going to have an opinion on just about everything. You know what it's kind of interesting is now that he's back in the hockey business Is he doesn't have to notice. Tie up anymore so right away. He doesn't not as tie up. Nah i i've never quite understood that but it's him it is his style. It's it's like it's party when he had the thing off on hockey night in canada. It didn't right now. Sure somebody somebody needs to show them how to not the tie because he's evidently forgotten right. You'd never is it. And even when he does it. Looks like yeah but there's some guys that not a tie they don't care maryvale not leave meal google that chris from google dot. Co will stop by as well. Obviously we're going to talk about connor mcdavid under points in fifty three regular season games. So you don't wanna miss that now diverted a headlines right headlines presented by kobe dot. Co the free to play sports in casino games website. You must be nineteen cool reminds you to stay cool and always bet responsibly. Because i mentioned mcdavid. Why don't we start there with headlines this week on episode twenty one and i don't think that any of us anybody who watches connor mcdavid rocky period wouldn't have doubted that connor was going to hit one hundred points in fifty six games but man talk about doing it and style right a four point game a goal and three assists on the weekend against vancouver canucks mean why drag it out. You know who needs to to the labor this thing. Just now. we're gonna watch the next couple of games and go. Jeez you know what's gonna finish with the one hundred six one hundred seven like what what's possible here so turn on the game and you know bang bang. He's got three points really quick. And so now you're like okay. It's really starting to starting to roll here and The gets the third one there on the power play. Travis hammond takes a penalty and we were. We were cleaning up around the house. And i i i say takami. He's gonna get his hundred point here. It was just like it was inevitable. Wasn't it and he's zip. Zap pass across dry seidel powders. That thing and it's and it's amazing to watch. The great players play a level that the other best players in the world can't get too bright. Like i think this is what what is sometimes missed. Is everybody in the. Nhl is probably the best player you see like even the ones you don't think are very good that you're watching on tv now. They're amazing players. They're really fast. They pass They've got a good shot. And then you get the great players that dust everybody else. It kind of bugs me that people are. You know when you hear people say. But he's only playing in the northern division and somehow that cheapens the hundred points. It was so blind easy. Why doesn't somebody else do because they because not good enough. And that's not disrespectful. They're not connor may be but he's doing something other people simply cannot do. It was so easy then. Why doesn't somebody else in the northern division. Because you can. Jack eichel making news to start the week. faces the media after exit interview. General manager kevin adams the buffalo sabres. And i think the expectation sabres management and the club in general is at rei. Jack isn't gonna say much he's just going to get into the off-season and continue on treatment with his neck issue and away. They go well. That's not the way turn out Turned out with a capital the buffalo sabres making it pretty clear that there's a disconnect between how is medical future and present is being treated versus how he would have preferred. It'd be treated and as we talked about reported weeks ago the expectation was that he would have surgery procedure to help. The the disc in his neck drew tracked while the sabres didn't see it that way they believe that a more conventional approach is and just treating it and taking time to recover. Here's something i didn't know about the c. Be the player doesn't decide the direction of treatment. Did you know that it's it's you can get a second opinion. Correct and generally speaking my understanding would be in those two opinions drags if if they didn't quite mesh. The doctors can kind of figure out a pathway. For right i'll give you an example. I broke my ankle and in nineteen ninety-three dislocated dislocated. My ankle broke my leg and the doctors tried to treat it. I with oak surgery. They didn't think i was going to need it pretty quickly. They said you know what this isn't gonna work. We're going to have to do surgery. But they put a time line on making that decision and the reason. I say that is because we're going to go with eichel and the decisions the doctors to sabres the aiko camp all had to make you know. Yeah and and that's what's interesting about this. So i checked back of this round the twenty third of april. I guess it was And the messaging. That i got from sabre source. Was that the doctors. Exactly as you've explained were all in cahoots. I mean they're talking. They're comparing information. But they hadn't formalized of decision on what the best path was well. It seems pretty clear. If not evident that the best path from the sabers down is to not go down the road of of surgery even though michael Again as part of his the media l. said that surgery is still an option. I guess what confuses me about this ray is in every player should be treated the same way. And i'm not picking a side in this is just as an organization. Why would you want this to be such a public event with your captain and still a legit star in the national hockey league and it shouldn't matter if it's a fourth line guy or american league guys played a handful of games if he's injured and needs you know attention then you get the attention and no doubt eichel is going to be and has been treated fairly. I just don't understand why you would invite all of this stuff into your world because guess what we're talking about for the foreseeable future when you're talking about ice debt that's it that's it. It's it's only this. It's how do you. How are you going to manage this. How like he's your highest paid player. He's your most notable player. They probably jumped the gun paying him jumping to ten million bucks. I mean i think they did. I think that was the probably got ahead of themselves. The little bit but but just looked up. Eichel's number strikes. Jim realize to every year before this year. Yeah he's scored more goals than than the previous year. He went thirty. Four twenty four twenty five twenty eight thirty six sixty eight years. He's only becoming what it's going to be if the sabers now are at a point where they cannot reconcile with eichel and they have to try to trade him. You're treating stressed asset who's got tools in twenty one games will be coming off of a herniated disk in his neck surgery. Yeah what are you going to get. You're not going to get what you think you should get. And the problem is every time you trade. I won't say every time. I'm sure there's been some examples most time trade. The best player in the deal. You lose because the other team says. Here's a first at. They're called the anti trades. Here's a player and and And and and there's a good buddy of mine. At general manager says most often those and us they're just god is right there just good players but they don't equal even until talapity the player you've given away now at for the sabres. Darren top spot now. I read somewhere that ikea cracked rib before the season and they went through cove. It then he's got a herniated disk like times you've got to throw a year in the garbage bin. Yeah right you just have to. It'll be interesting to see if sabres can reconcile enough to keep them or if they feel they have to go now. he's there's been reports. He wants to go to the rangers. Oh guess what if you want to be traded. You don't drive that bus. Yeah sabres do you gotta get the best return. You don't wanna let you don't like where you're gonna go bad you have. No you have no say so over that. No i and i look. I think the return is going to be fair When they get to that point if they get to that point you know right now it's posturing by the club's who say they're interested or aren't really interested because they're there. They want the narrative to be that of well. Y'know price can't be what everyone expects it to be. He's damaged goods. He's this he's that. If i'm if i'm kevin adams i just flat out say to jack look man. I'm i'm not saying i won't listen. Entertain the idea of trade. of course. that's my job is to make the buffalo sabres More well rounded and better for the future. I'll consider anything. But i don't get what i need. You're not getting traded. It's that simple so you should be planning on getting healthy getting stronger and coming back to the buffalo sabres in the fall and then you have to deal with miserable prior who is gonna make who has the potential. I'm not gonna say he's going to. I don't know what he would do has the potential to make everything uncomfortable. His presence makes things uncomfortable unless he comes on says. Hey i'm thrilled to be in buffalo. I i like the coach. I like the editions. We've made mike unless he's going to say that this thing is gonna hang over them till the moment that sat on over in coaching Rick docket and john travolta rela not return near zona and columba's neither is surprised there. I guess what was unique The approach from both clubs was that they both publicly acknowledged that they've mutually agreed to go their separate ways which to me is code for all right. Well don't worry about your contract expiring on july. First if if there's interest Have out and get that ball rolling even a little bit surprised with either guy deciding to To see what's out there. More talk. And i suppose then towards it just felt like towards was done in columbus. Yeah no i'm not surprised. I mean there've been enough talk about both of them and you know the last time. John left the jaw a was in new york when he left the job with the rangers he immediately signed in vancouver and it was a mess. It was faster. Torch is such an intense person. I think he needs time to unwind. Unroll the coaching tenseness and then if he wants to get back get back in. I don't expect him to be coaching next year. Maybe you'll never coach again. Maybe he doesn't want to. Who knows coudl but the last time he left one job to another immediately it did not work very well known to As for talk to restock it makes of one six one seven which is a decent wage for coach in the nhl although those salaries certainly have been climbing of late they're going to hire Coach for nine hundred thousand or coach for two million seems likely it would be closer to nine hundred thousand which is what. Dj smith makes an ottawa. And it's done a fine job stole. I think rick would probably be confident that he'd be in the running for some other jobs. He's got a good reputation. It's a hard worker. He seems to be Seems to be coach. Just got a lot of momentum behind him still but we're not finished yet. I mean vol seasons aren't over yet. There's travis green does not have a contract in in vancouver. I don't still boggles my mind. I don't know what they're waiting for. But if travis does not get resigned. Here i suspect he'd be in the same boat as talking and doors and that's they mutually agreed to part ways. Then you're able to get going right away. Yeah and good coaches like that can trigger other situations right. I mean sure gerard. Glenn was a good coach for the vegas golden knights. Unfortunately for him. Obviously there was some second guessing with management But pete deboer became available. Leaves the san jose sharks and kelly criminal. George mcphee go. Okay hold a second. We liked turk. But we think pete deboer is better and and perhaps better suited to help us do what we're trying to do. And that's win stanley cup. So we'll talk and travis and who knows you know that's that's good management groups i would think adding some difficult conversations in the days ahead. Yeah i would. I don't know this but the you know the rangers having fired general manager. Jeff gordon and john davidson their president hockey ops. Is david gwynn going to be back under chris jewelry. I mean don't oh that's another one that has to be talked about so they're still. They're still some some interesting places to look at all right time for okay. Tire performance players of the past week. Our performance players. The past week are always brought to you by our friends at okay tire over three hundred thirty locally owned okay. Tire stores across canada. That's coast to coast. We've got you covered from top to tires at okay tire. Check them out at okay. Tire dot com. O k tire is going to be okay And i think it's okay. Ray if i go i because i'm gonna take the most obvious for formerly week there. There's been this entire season and obvious just in celebration of what. Connor mcdavid has a accomplished to this point of the nhl regular season. One hundred points in fifty three games including the four banger to nail it down on the weekend so it does not an ally like easy i. I'm i front never pushed back when it comes to easy. So i think it'd be disrespectful of one of us didn't take connor and the milestone. So i'm going connor mcdavid hobble you You take jeff. Carter and i mean that was kind of a out of left field move for the penguins to make. There was a lot of talk about other players around. La and not jeff carter and then all of a sudden band. He's going to pittsburgh and their loss teams against buffalo. He's got five goals. He scored four two games ago when he got the only goal on the weekend and a one. Nothing game It three goals in twelve games before these two nights against the savers and four rolls out means. Everything went right for you that day. jeff carter. He's on a good team. He's a really nice depth piece for still shoe and obviously can still score is by oaken dire perform performer of the week. He just needs to figure out how he can play buffalo more often right. There's a there's sometimes the team jus- fits for. You would like to play them again. Did you have a team like that or more than one. No you know what this sound. I don't know how. I like playing patrick wa for whatever reason i scored a lot against him and i felt like i think i'm probably going to get one tonight now. You never as much you think. But i was like yeah. He's now what was it. Breakway was stuff around the natalie gervais. She's the. I was hoping so wild story about forehand backhand forehand every till i don't i don't think i i don't recall any any really nice ones against they're all nice when you're scoring on a hall of famer who's getting new all but at the time. I just liked scoring on him because he got so pissed off. I loved it. It was almost my favorite card. Fats awesome there are performance players of the week brought to you by okay tire our interview. This week rand rigs is with. Brian burke the president of pocket operations for the pittsburgh penguins and it's brought to you by canadian club whisky who are asking. Are you over beer. Why not try refreshing. cc ginger ale and lime. Next time you're avenue drink or watching the game all right. We're joined now by the president of hockey operations for the pittsburgh penguins. Brian burke Brian first of all. Congratulations on the gig with the pittsburgh penguins but take us back in time if you can. It's been a few months now so you you're settled in pittsburgh. Penguins are off and running. I mean there are top contender going to the stanley cup playoffs. But you know six months ago. Did you have any idea any inclination that you'd be back as the head of a hockey operations department in the national hockey league at any point in the future. No i got drawn. I had to talk to me about president hockey operations job two years ago but it didn't fit the different criteria that i would. You need to get back in. And i was pretty. Well resigned to the fact that i was to do broadcasting for however long sports not knocking nine canon or wanted to keep me around and i enjoyed it. I enjoyed the people i worked for. And i like the peop- boy worked western. That's the definition of great job. So i just extended my contract. I was working very hard. You guys know a lot harder than people think. I've worked very hard to get better at it. And i was content with my lot in life. They'll pittsburgh goal and so is that like right away. It's pittsburgh i'm interested or is it any team. I'm interested now. You're only a couple teams. That i'd be interested in and they were one of them. I again what happened was going through. Gm candidates were david. Martin houses their ceo's excellent executive. Maybe the best in pro sports and that night. You're talking to mary and he said how. Can we know so much about each of these candidates style and this guy and that guy. So i'm talking to brian birkin. Mario said burkey. Why aren't we talking to so next day. Offer me a job. And i asked him to sleep on it because there were certain things for my family standpoint. You guys know this. Having summers off took my kids my kids to africa last summer Took them to do. I italy the year before. There were certain things that that i committed to family. Wise that i wanted to sleep on its pittsburgh brain ownership break the always wondering great sports towns of the world does sports town in the us that my view wanting tradition facilities draw first rate by an answer. Pretty good pieces on the chessboard to explain this for most of us. That don't understand what's the sweet spot of the president of hockey operations between the general manager and the executive of david. Morehouse you mentioned. In mario and now ownership when i wanted to cogs president occupies jiang king the lake break. Dan king described it this way. He stood imagining that. You and i are business parks. You're not they're locking tomorrow. Tell me oh by the way. I'm taking the next month off but by the way i'm fire and so on so you agree to decision together. He talked about it. And that's the same analogy. I use my heart branch living. So that's what i said to heck sears access. My job is to be the gray hair in the room. It's not exactly. The statement. Coury is brad sullivan was a rookie. Gm and axes established guy. But i think just to have some gray hair in the room also. There's a lot of stuff he can do to take off the gm's plate that includes a lot of the civic work Okay what is the geography that the chamber commerce red deer would ask you to come and speak. Real tree. doesn't have to. That's one thing office point. So a lot of the community active activities then a lot of rubbery support like sellin tweets dawn tickets. I do a lot of that as well. It's all stuff so haxhi can focus on building the best with you get. Does the pressure of that job differ. Is it the same. I mean you wanna stanley cup. You've seen how hard that is. You know how does it change in the two roles. The pressure well. There's there's more juice of job if you're the gm attacks just got more pressure but there's more to people have to understand when you're in that game you're making a deal on the floor for this team's wins or you're making a deal on the fourth draft press broader. The pressure on is unbelievable. But there's a lot of juice to like a lot of bari. Like matt i'm willing to deal unreal high level here so there's a lot lock to keep interest in at this job. Has last use last pressure. But it's still important and it still like to me like i'm around the players. I'm back in the fight. And i just love it so far. I mean it able to enjoy expert. we're now. I haven't been to one restaurant and one bar. Why can't wait threat to change right. You're coming out of the weekend. I talked to you on the weekend. And you clinch with deem. Whether you're the president of hockey operations on the general manager anybody associated with the organization is going to have a good time without accomplishment. Because you know what all grew respect. I'm not so sure. Three four months ago that many of us predicted that would be the outcome. Evil got a high level respect for said and all the pieces. I what changed is and i've said this before so i'm gonna say it again now. I've heard people say the team turnaround as soon as you know colbert. That's really a player on my team. And ray you play long enough. You know that. If i heard brian berg take credit for one win. I'd be. I'd be sick to my stomach. We haven't done much player personnel wise. We brought the friedman. Can we brought jeff carter. Taxi did other matt. What changed was brian. Newman came back. He was vert all time in a goaltending. Solidified and mike. Matheson has improved so much. In our depth came through. It's all player and coach raided my solomon if he doesn't get really serious recognition for coach year. I'll be disappointed now. You you would have been familiar with mike through usa and so you probably had a pretty good understanding of what he was all about. What did you know about tax as a manager. Well i don't think you guys know this nice study like i've made a career out of studying what people do so i started shooter game. The gm show up at six o'clock and go has a piece of peace. Scouts room watches a warm up. Watch i get there at four. Thirty five o'clock was both coaches those plan while who do you like who who one of your opponents who would be drastic and the whole time. You're interviewing coach. She doesn't know it. But you're interviewing that coach sticking this guy that maybe we can use on route. Same thing when. I went to american leakage. Go see both coaches. What am i team was playing or not. so i remember one time gold game and providence. Providence was playing hartford. I didn't have a team in the wunderlich doctor. Talk to you. Both coaches for about twenty five minutes and then one and watch the game. So i studied. Actually i looked at the way the teams they've put together in la and the team he put together in philadelphia. And it's clear this guy knows what he's doing and i really like his spot serious guy which is important to me. He could have fun. He's got a good sense. Everybody serious his job which is really important to me. I like everything about them. How different is it this year for you guys like like for us. We can't even go to the rank we will do a game off off to we. Don't have the connections with the players. But you guys are supposed to be in. But you can't really be. How old is that. It's it's very odd. It's just not the norm about this year. And i know people watch this podcast. Guy can't feel too sorry for players making nine bucks year but you can't really enjoy the lifestyle of being a pro effort. We finished the game. We have a team on the railroad. We go back a team meal whenever goes back to the room or not a lot while restaurant and so same with us was finished. The game we go home. I haven't been to one bar or restaurant and disparate. I'm one in the city break. Yeah i enjoy it at all. I that continues for a long time but It's very different. It's not nearly as much fun we can interact. We cannot interact with the players as much you know. High likes beer on the players right. I get tight with my players and haven't really been able to do that so it'll it'll be way more fun on a fall but distance pretty exciting. What these guys are doing here. What's changed from when you built your stanley cup. Champion and anaheim. How much and what focus changes to twenty twenty one building a company while a lot. That was the straight top six sixteen. I mean it was constructed by bodmer and me right from the manual hot sticks bottom sixteen and you couldn't win with the team mike that i think that the way the team could have beaten every team that's cents but the style we played wouldn't be conducive the modern referee so then i think he will now have to be a top nine or top ten manson blue collar guys. Fighting is obviously way lasted warned. So we'll take a significant shift in direction and inspiration terms of how you play the game. But i think you know. I was already. They're coming here to pittsburgh. Already resigned to the fact that you're not gonna win with that piper. What roster construction again. You mentioned the fall and open. Things are normal one. You missed most not just about hockey but about blank number one i missed. Take me out for supper right. Like i like to take nine two young daughters out for dinner and talk politics and not talk about hockey. And i'll just talk about their livestock. Baltics that'd be number one number two the hockey guy mirror rugby guy me. I like sitting at a bar. Watch hockey with bunnies. They miss that. I miss you get a hamburger and watch the two of a game argue about. Who's playing while breath the referees. I missed that i missed. I was standing assist in haxhi. I i missed a. I love watching rugby in. A bar was rugby players. That's fun and i miss that to you. So you just mentioned heck see. I've known him a long time. Do him in. Chris prior have anything other than a black jacket. Have you seen no. It's like you know what. Say what. I've never had a personal each faster than ron. Hextall have supper together. I'm halfway through it. He's wiping his left. He's getting ready to get up and leave. I've ever seen any way this fast. And i wanna ten kids. I eat fast. We have either has mark crawford. I think five six brothers. He's the fastest ever saw. Until i met actually thoughts out burkey again as standing hockey guy. You a real solid opinion in view of what he thought us that any crosby as a superstar prior and still one off but probably the most recognizable face worldwide. Certainly in that conversation still. I'll what have you learned about since arriving in pittsburgh they didn't while then it's not hype. It's all true is practiced habits. You know he's legendary. I practice habits. i watch. she's out goes out week working on individual things. He works on different ways to score goals in any facts. If you're young player on this team you got no choice. You're dragged into the fight because this guy you're remember hurry sinden told me that about ray bork. Said when your best players your harness borking player the other players have no choice but to work with said those here. So i've heard all the stories are hard work with a great guy was you'd think okay. There's gotta be some level of hype in there. Some small percentage. It's not true. It's true will let you go here momentarily. But if. Brian burke were still an analyst an opinion on national television. What would it be said last week based on what you saw between the capitals and the new york rangers and toggle allston in all the noise that came out of it with no suspension and a five thousand dollar fine. Yeah well first off make full exposure. My son patrick. Some players state disarm not about to fifty their decisions. I would if it affected my team. But i'm not about to offer an opinion on this podcast or he wants to be offered anywhere on players on other teams. It's really none of our business. Nine member one is the gm than someone would comment. The guy worked for wanting wanting in a few stay stop mine. Tv extra job. But when i would see another. Gm offering opinion on his suspension. Your volume ii player. It'd be like mind your own business. That's none of your business so i'm staying out. Remember burkey when you were when you were the head of player safety. Do you remember that you'd find me. You'll only twenty five hundred bucks but you do you spirit. Someone probably okay. Maybe but there wasn't any there wasn't any camera because we really had three cameras into play. I don't know how you guys could do your job back then. I missed a breakaway. Get pissed off and the guy was coming to run me. I got gotta give him a stick on the way and and you told me you said i know what you did. I can't see it. It'll cost you twenty five hundred in dallas. The night nice suspended is suspended daddy. Our what he played for the bruins. Cross-check the guy in the face. And i find him suspended for three games so cost mike sixteen thousand dollars and i find him two thousand dollars so i did my meeting with the bruins. You're waiting. I could see teddy week guy to these waiting for waiting for be said i understand. Burkey y got three games. I actually think it was fair but he took seventeen grand for me. Did you have to take that extra thousand list now. Teddy know a lot of other players know deep down inside. I really amateur. That's terrific bert. Thanks for doing this man. All of us does the payton's about a terrific regular season so you're hoping that That ball continues to roll in the playoffs. Thank you thanks guys back. Good to see back doing burkey all thanks. Thanks guys fray. We'd like to raise a glass to our guest today. That's brian burke of the pittsburgh penguins so cheers to berkey. Gers through pittsburgh penguins. The interviews always brought to you by our good pals at canadian club. Whisky and you know brian. I think of as a lifer in the game right Largely because he spent most of his life around the game a hockey but he just bubbles. He just tell that he's he's loving the environment that he's in and as he acknowledged in the interview with us even though he was having a good time doing Television in canada. I'm in being part of a hockey operations department and going through all of that planning strategizing the winning the losing. That's a big part of what kind of makes him go. Some guys He needs distress. He needs the competition the win in the loss. Even even though. I'm sure it's time it sports net was fun like as he said he liked the people he worked with like who we were four. That means he had a good job. But he's not gonna turn this down especially in pittsburgh like with a team. That's good to go through that rebuild thing. Maybe that's a whole other. You know would have been a whole other decision to make but this looks right on him he looks at. It looks happy as happy as berkeley can look. He look and look. He's out of place in his life where he talked about in the interview with us reflected back in his time. In calgary riyadh less experienced general manager. Maybe add to do a little bit more in that regard but with exc- in pittsburgh he's as involved as he wants to be not because he needs to be because he's he's worried about the decision make it seems like it's the right spot like just him describing the difference between the juice the pressure of the general manager as opposed to the president hockey operations and now that made a lot of sense to me. That's really honestly. Drake's why i wanted to ask because one thunder stand the difference between those jobs because not everybody can have import. That's great but at the end of the day. Somebody's gotta make the final decision. And how does he explained it. That's what next now. I don't know if you've noticed or not But canadian club was kind enough to gift. Some very impressive items to to both of us right and we're at some point we're gonna get along with technology and maybe you'll create your drink and i've already sort of talked about mine here on the podcast but the shavings of fresh ginger and all that but i may never open that box on the bookshelf. So that is a forty three year old bottle of canadian up and the reason. I bring it up more so than i have in. The past is because rob grade told me earlier today. And i'm gonna read it to make sure it could get a right. That canadian club forty three year old. Maybe not specifically dish bottle but that blend right won the canadian whisky of the year at the two thousand twenty one canadian whisky awards and also on the canadian whisky of the year. The two thousand twenty one san francisco world spirits competition now. I don't know what the world spirits competition is. But you in anything that has world in front of it. And i'm guessing that's pretty good is now. You're not going to open the box. How do you nor forensic canadian club. Just didn't put rock. I trust them. They're good people well. And so as robin i were. You're busy irritating. Overdrive doing whatever you were doing. So he and i are talking about that and he's like oh i can't even imagine a forty three year old bottle tastes like and as you don't wanna open that around your friends. Well if i could open at around friends. If i could have friends maybe i would open it. But i don't think that's one that i would open for friends. I might just keep out for a special occasion or special occasions while. I think we should open your bottle. You're not gonna open yours. no. I'll save mine gercy all right One week get on with the kubeck. He's got a lot to talk about with the nhl playoffs looming and reminder raindrops season two episode. Twenty-one brought to you by infiniti. alright. Exciting time to be alive. We've got the stanley cup playoffs right around the corner. We've got chris sabbath from cool bet dot co joining us some rain raindrops hockey podcast. And man let his dog right into the playoffs if we can. I mean as for recording the podcast on monday. There's still not clear definition of who's playing who. Although we're getting pretty close we do have a couple of the series that are ready to fly carolina nashville tampa bay florida. Chris are both inviting tons. Action is one more intriguing for a number of reasons more so than the other. What are you hearing. you know. It's it's it's interesting for one because carolina we talked about last week about plus fifteen plus sixteen hundred just a few weeks ago and now they're eight to one so The futures to the stanley cup has a look in colorado plus fifty toronto plus six hundred tampa plus six fifty vegas plus seven hundred so is actually fallen back a little bit from where they were earlier in the season i guess You know they would have. Maybe a more difficult path to the stanley cup finals in some teams but You know. I really think there's been a lot of action on carolina's we've come down the stretch here and for good reason. I mean i was a little bit surprised when i saw the clinched the division i was like. Oh okay i haven't paying that much attention to the standings so you know everyone knew there were good team. I've been talking about them. All year. From bedding perspective thought they were undervalued once they got the goaltending kind of iron out for the playoffs so Looks like i'm not the only one with those thoughts do injuries Have they started to change the odds looking into the playoffs. You know tampa banged up pretty good. Yeah and you know what ray soon said injuries. I thought tapa. And that's what you're looking at and then the question is kutuzov off comeback but The one thing. I've noticed tampa all years. That win their top guys are not in the lineup Well especially vast alaska and if anything were to happen to him. They've been a lot of trouble but When their top guys are out there quite beatable so we have seen you know. That's probably been what's led to carolina's number coming down a bit boston's number coming down a bit know even though they're not in the same division but I think the the love is being spread around a little bit more rather than people think. Tampa bay was a lock to go to the final connor. Mcdavid gets one hundred points Just unbelievable thing to watch. I don't know how anybody could could try to knock. You know a block off about him. Being the hart trophy winner but in any case the trophy winners are going to be guy's pretty quickly here. How do the odds get. And how much do they change. You know what what we find with. The with the awards rate is that we generally see. The favorite is a pretty heavy favorites. So instead of being like minus one fifty Especially in connor. Mcdavid case you're going to see like a minus two thousand for him. Because i i don't think anyone with the exception of you know i've seen some some local reporters back there guy. That always happens of corey But i mean his story this year and and just the fact that a couple of weeks ago we put out a line for him to get one hundred coins yes at minus one thirty three and he did it with time to spare lake. His quite phenomenal slink. It's like somebody told him he couldn't do it. And and that's certainly he's just coming to another level of league he'd be the best player in that league and it's just phenomenal to watch and i hope people understand what we're getting to see now. They don't they because if you're not an oiler fan there's lots of people that think. Yeah he's doing this all against the northern division while it's so easy why doesn't somebody else do it. Oh because it's really look at the goaltenders in the north. I mean the. There's some of the best in the world. In this division you know for example senors as probably going to have to two guys at the olympics. you know if they can with with maybe going album. That usa is going to be loaded knows what they have. You got carried price there yet. Jake markswoman there. Mike smith was teams. That doesn't count but we talk about the new. We talked about the north. I mean it's it's not a bad hockey division at all. do you d see future opportunities. here. I mean people already talked about. Okay well conrad one hundred fifty three games. It's a fifty six game season. Imagine what he might do. Healthy eighty two season campaign. I mean is that sort of dialogue. That sort of action already point not yet. But i guarantee you Training camp in the fall. That's going to be a bet that everybody can make one day going to be able to do. What's the dry said. I'm going to be able to do next year. And i think the numbers are going to be quite inflated and i think you make a really important point there is penny. Stay healthy the attention that gets paid to. The non calls me seattle every night. Unfortunately it's probably only a matter of time before one of those turns into a incredible injury Which might get in the way of some props. But that's the first thing. I always looked at Doing season-long promises guys history. Now he's had them. He managed to stay healthy all this season and we saw what he could do. Imagine what he was doing that with like the normal rest that these guys get so. I mean it's just phenomenal I look forward to why he's able to come playoff time and yeah he's just such a special talent man. I'd like to see the oilers. Make a bit of a run. I gotta say this christine or like you. You've always got an upbeat personality. You know you're always pumped about sports. I don't think i've seen you with a bigger smile than that picture. You posted yet big mug of beer. You're sitting in a off. Did that look fabulous. You were excited man. Thirty hours driving eight hours on a ferry two weeks of quarantine i went home. I kissed my mother. I said hi to my father. I met my buddies at the bar at had a real good time that he rolled that into mother's day yesterday so how was the. How was that. I step. I couldn't tell you didn't taste. It is as the tweet something along the lines of the most envied man in in canada. Something along the sides. Oh the happiest man in north america and that was like third picture. I took because the first two. I looked a happy. Like people are gonna think. I'm insane But i still had a pretty big brand. I tell you it's a bar. I'll give him a little plug. It stop the bigs in saint. John's newfoundland done a great job. It's converted all don cherry sports bar and a great job there. So wherever in st john's go see them the best staff you could ever imagine too small pleasures right. I mean you know normally wouldn't be a big deal and go for your buddies. When's the last time any of us to do that. Right craig along guys them. Hopefully soon all of us can grab one somewhere. Love agree it is asked dregs anything and you can fire. Your questions are way to us on our social media channels twitter instagram reagan rigs or the website rodrigues dot com rate from numerous listeners. Too many to count are so many. How would you rank currently available head coaches from most desirable on down and the list that these numerous listeners have santa our way include gallant. Budo john tortorella claude. Julian mike babcock to include rick talking and talked about him and it headlines today who would we hire in who should seattle higher. Why don't we just start with. Who would we hire. I mean that's pretty good list to really good list. But you can't just say who you're going to hire. What team do you have. What type of team do you have for stage development through the ad. If it's a young team maybe none of those guys if it's more advanced team than you get into a little bit different scenarios so if i'm hiring the coach first thing i do is I get the parameters of what. I'm looking for what i do i have. How do i want our team to lay Given the guys that. Since i'm the manager i already know what kind of guys we have. What can we do and that would help. Steer me in a direction of of one of the coaches. Like i want somebody to be able to deal with the media. I think it's important in today's world. I don't think it's the e so that that might knock down toward around on on some people's lists it might knock down mindless. Because i think it's very important. I want somebody that can work with younger and older players and somebody that works to grow the player to stand on their own feet. I don't think that. I don't think you can coach. Like he used to coach where you're will stand over there. Stand over here and the player will ask why they're going to ask why every time it. So that might take a couple more coaches. I know they wanna rank. It's impossible for me to rank. Unless i know what kind of team i got. Yeah and look. I mean again. All these listeners combining year. You know you're talking about a field of very experienced guys here to right. Some of it's going to be personal preference. You're going to get into the interview and go. I drive this guy. Don't jive with that guy for as you gotta work together. All right from sean. If you're coaching the montreal canadians what lineup changes or playing style changes. Would you make to try and turn things around as we get close to the playoffs. The only lineup change. I would try to make is to get my injured guys back in the lineup. Yeah like what else are you gonna do nothing. Your best lineup is carrie price. It's shea weber. It's brendan gallagher. Is jonathan drouin. And then you have to hope that they hit full gear at the right time. But you're not changing your team. You're not changing your style. Not right now. You've already made a coaching change. You are what you are freddie. Anderson played a game and a half with the toronto marlies in the american hockey league. Just tuning up and you know. It's all cap related to some degree right because the toronto maple leafs closing their regular season year shortly. Ben watson all if you were kyle dubious what would you be looking to do about the leafs goaltending situation ahead of the new season so ahead of next year. Well it starts by making a decision on whether you can afford freddie or not and if he got was coming and some of the other contracts the off to deal with made that decision to some degree based on the play of jack camel has already been made. I would think that. Jack's play jack campbell's plays really open. The eyes of the possibility of what the goal tending position might look like without freddie anderson. Now if jack campbell goes into the playoffs and gets ventilated. That might change everything again. Because wouldn't it be of benefit. I think jack campbell's at one point six five million. Wouldn't it be something if you can have your goal tending position locked up but three and a half or four million dollars Gives you a lot of room because anderson's at five right now. It gives you three four million dollars. You might not spend on goalies that you can spend on zach hyman etc. Yeah all right from harry. How do you feel ottawa's set up for The success and moving forward next season as they are currently put together. Do we think that they need a splash. Trader signing the offseason dow more success. The not this year. No i'm not trading anybody if i'm ottawa. I'm being very selective in what i move Not moving any draft picks You're going to get Jacob bernard docker in the lineup. You're going to get jake sanderson in the lineup. You're going to get younger before you get better and the way you get better. Those players get experience the age they get strength. Do you look for a bit more experience. Up the metal. I mean yes josh. Nor or susan strong faith but you know. You can't expect shane. Pinto obviously to to be a number two At this stage of his career so a little bit in that area. I'd love to. Because i mean i think that was their plan with their step on that and that didn't work but with cap room which they have. I think they should be able without losing an asset to find it a free agent center. That might feel that. Need because look you can go sign lots of guys that are guys you want somebody that can be an older guy a veteran presence. But the gotta play. They've gotta produce. They've got to be able to take one of those top. Come on your team and give the younger guys room to grow behind him. All right. final question has grainger grainger eggs. Anything from joel. Big canucks van joel is wondering what memories you may have of seen. Burry play for the first time. Ray in your case playing against powell berry. Oh just by first memory. Or i clear thing is the the goal is scored when he danced through Famed things new jersey and he just. It's like change directions four times in the zone and he scored it was. It's a brilliant goal to one of his knights. That was the first time. I really saw far as playing against them. Who so fast ensued. Quick the one thing that helped was an encomium penalties back. Then no so if you got close enough to try to tackle them and hope that slowed them down because if he got away from you. It was lights. Oh all right buddy with the rest of the week book like a couple just Jetson canucks on. Monday and tuesday Lifson hobbs on friday three games pretty busy week and Car insurance this week just got an e mail on that so you know know household stuff you know what about playoffs so you doing any playoffs stuff for you just Hanging in the weeds. What what's whatever. Whatever i'm instructed to do is there has been no instruction as of this point. No gay don't telling you okay. No games. I'm not doing the games good for you. So maybe some panel hits here there so thing in the in the past of done. Stuff for nbc. But not this. You know all right buddy. We'll let you get on with the rest of your day. We'll get busy. You got you got. We've got insider trading not terrible. We've got our final leaf game of the season on friday which you'll be a part of obviously you don't on that. Just kinda geared up The the quizmaster is putting together. A playoff preview show. I believe on sunday yes. I'm hearing rumors about this awesome. Yeah sharpen your pencil and yeah. I'm not sure how that's going to involve me other than i know. It's going to involve me. I i told them. You should have a big role in it. Yeah beginning dand. Every night time time consuming. Thought you should all right. I'll yet and have you Is still not seventy seven to eighty range during the last year or last week Seventy four eighty all seventy four eighty four. Oh yeah consistent and not seventy four's tasty because you you're starting to get a bit not sour but impatient with the page gulf. So i played. Well didn't miss a shot chipped and putted really well and i'm like i got it now. It's coming and then the next day. I was nowhere on tuesday so i'm looking forward to that. Excellent all right buddy well We've got to recognize our partners and our sponsors make the podcast possible. Our new title sponsor infiniti visit infinity dot ca and you can book your contactless test stride. Google dot co. 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Trade Deadline Wrap Up

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Trade Deadline Wrap Up

"I can tell elliott's not reading his no actually. I didn't put my foot massage. I didn't the phone's not buzzing. I think i'm doing pretty good here. That's how you know. He's serious about the podcasts. He didn't put the foot massage. You're on to start the podcast today. The post trade deadline podcast recording this show at eight fourteen eastern on monday night We've just gotten home from sports net You had a quick power nap because you've had exactly three hours lee elliott. I don't know how you're doing this. Just coasting on fumes and we're ready to rock and roll and we're going to get it off with a tweet from legendary tweeter deal. Hunters helmet who tweets is christopher stieg the first trade deadline host to require a medical timeout elliott. That was the highlight of my day. First of all. I love her sti i think. He's he's hilarious. He's hilarious. he's great. I'm so glad he's on our team. Mike for stieg is fantastic and for those. That didn't watch your stateside or did watch in canada. We started the show today. Do the big open come in. I do like a thirty second. Preamble through to you guys. I for an update came back to do my desk. Which had christmas deegan. Jennifer botterill. And i'm about to throw diversity and i'm looking over and he's like holding his nose and i'll make a yo katie goes. I just got a bloody nose. I don't know what it's like right at the beginning of the show. Elliot what did he do. Don't know he didn't even know either he just like. I don't know where. I just got a bloody nose. We have no clue and so then for the entire so of course like acts against that information and then it's game on and so it was non-stop roasting of for stieg all throughout the trade deadline coverage for for opening up with a blade like i've always maintained. Just stay alive and you'll see some crazy stuff I'm glad i made it to this age because he got to see christopher steele opened up a trade deadline. Show the bloody nose. Did you know what was going on at the trade breakers desk. No i couldn't because versi was facing the same way. I was so i wasn't looking at his direction. And secondly there's all like the cameras in the maters between us so when you said i tried to look and i had to look around it. It was it was. It was pretty funny. It's pretty good. How was your trade deadline experiences. This time around. I don't know. I did a radio hidden calgary on the drive home and i have no idea they sent me. How do you feel my answer to them. Was i have no idea what planning on this day is such a blur and you know it's interesting so last week. The day that the ontario premier doug ford says there we were going into a lockdown sports net and our corporate overlords at rogers decided that they were going to cut down the show. And it's not only about us really. It's also about all the people that work behind the scenes all of the producers and directors technical people the camera people. You know everybody else there. And they you know i mean. We're all in a confined space in the amount of decide to limit the amount of people and also they said instead of going on eight in the morning eastern. We're going on at noon and you know they asked me you know i. I don't think they were really asking me for permission. They basically told me we were going to do it. But we're you know they're asking my opinion you know. Just what do you think. And i said you know from a competitive point of view. I don't like it. But i understand it in this day and age. I think it's the responsible thing to do. And i can't argue with the health and safety of our coworkers right so i got an jeff at eight in the morning. You're already there right. What time did you get in seven thirty. So yeah you. 'cause i i noticed when i got upstairs from my rapid test you are already there. My rapid test was eight ten. Okay so i saw you up there and because we weren't on like i thought those first four hours. They seemed like forever. Yes the morning. Felt like it. Talk twenty years to get through. It took a long time to get to twelve o'clock. Yes it did. And then we got on and things were happening a bit but then from two to about three thirty four o'clock it was busy and then when it was over in the in the verana a mantha trade. The biggest surprise day came down after that was done. I felt like. I crashed right into a wall. Let me ask you about that. We'll we'll we'll pick up on this year in in a second but going into today you kept saying there's going to be something that nobody sees coming. There's going to be one thing that nobody sees coming Did you know this was coming. No because my first thought is. This is what elliott's been teasing now for weeks. No no i believe. There's always a surprise. Because first of all you could be the best insider in the world which i am not and still not see things coming. I was once at a forum and one of the guests. Was ned colletti. Yeah currently works for the sharks and used to be the gm of the other dodgers. These are real tight. Friend of brian burks and we didn't know each other before then but i was working on a panel with him and he said you know you're supposed to be this insider. How much do you think you really know about what goes on the league and i said ten percent and he said i think that's actually a very honest answer. He says unless you're really in the league you don't know a lot of the stuff that doesn't go on and i do agree with that and i always believe there's going to be a surprise because i always think there's things that are being talked about behind the scenes now. There's a lot of circumstantial evidence that we could have potentially seen something like this coming. After it was over number one. I think man that was kind of in the detroit doghouse number. Two verana was definitely in the washington doghouse. Which i was sorry to see. Because i really liked verandahs as a player and i like dealing with them i don't know memphis well see. I think we knew that washington was trying to move politics. Money and d when when i reported that detroit was willing to anyone. Not named cider. Raymond or larkin. I was because i had heard the red wings had basically said this rebuild is going to be longer than we realized and they signed mantha to a big extension this year. Four times thinks it's five point seven. And i think they knew that by the time they were ready to really be good. Mantha might be the end of that deal and so i see a lot of reasons that maybe we could have seen this coming. But i don't think anyone really had any clue and the other thing too is is herman and mcclellan. They work pretty quietly. Which i think is another reason. We didn't find out about it by the way i should say this. I had someone else telling me that the red wings were not too eager to move roenick. Either who might be their leading scorer this year rates. That's how the defensemen filip roenick. Yes so the the interesting thing about anthony mantha. Is you say that. He's in the doghouse with the detroit. Red wings previous to this deal. Yup did it not seem like anthony. Mantha was in the doghouse with the red wings from the minute. They drafted him. Because of what. Jim devil say yeah well it. It was like it seemed like every single turn and again. I'm not there so i don't know the inner workings in the conversations and the practices and all of that but it seems as if you know right from the get go and the jim devil ano- thing really got on everybody's radar worry sort of question whether this guy's ever going to be in nhl or essentially just seemed from then from that beginning that. Here's anthony mantha first. Round draft pick playing valdosta in the quebec league without one season scored eighty one goals in eighty one games and other flaws in his game. Yes but does he do one of if not the hardest thing in the sport hockey score goals. Absolutely you're almost got the sense that there was no way. This was going to be a long term relationship between these two parties. Is that fair. Yeah i think that's very fair. I think the other thing though the kinda change maybe wonder if it would be different though jeff was a. He's a young guy and you always wonder how young people are going to change. I mean sport is full of people who are young. And i don't know of immature is the right word. Or they just have they have room to grow and then you see them when they're twenty five twenty six twenty seven and you see how they've changed and you say boy. We're really lucky that we held onto that guy like i look at matthew's and martyr in toronto for example. I think they've become two of the best players in the league and a couple years ago. I think people really doubted that. So you'd have to be very careful about the judgments you make on people when they're very young. The other thing too though is that because you know is eisenman has been taking over. I don't think he cares about preconceived notions. I think he just decides what he sees in front of him right. Yep and i just look at it as okay. I've seen enough. I'm ready to do this now. The other question that leads to me about the red wings is and i stress. This is purely my personal opinion. Larkin has two years left at six point one. If one of the reasons you're thinking of moving players is the rebuild is going to take longer. What do you think about larkin my answer to that and again just me I would keep a player like him around. I understand your answer. Here's why when you're going through rebuilds and you're flooding your team with young players. Yeah you need to have older players around them. But here's the caveat. They still need to be able to relate to younger players. Like you can't have a group of kids in their early twenties and some veteran players who are all married and have three kids and other responsibilities and when the game the practice the team event is done. They're out of their. You know fred flintstone five. Oh one on. Friday abbott avenue. I'm out of the quarry. gone zone. Men that is a really dated referenced by me. I hope everyone remembers the flintstones next jeff will talk about his new favorite show. I love lucy and the honeymooners. Here we go. I think they need to be players in their late twenties to at least be able to relate to younger players. You start to get into your thirties. And then the common bonds are kind of strained yup to put it gently between younger players and older players. What what what do you think of larkin on that team. The other thing i think of is that you have to give your fans or reason to go to games right. Yes i think. Dylan larkin is a reason to go to games. I'm just looking at this. All of a sudden you know dylan. Larkin is two years away from unrestricted. Free agency and the red wings are more than two years away if i worked for another team in k. I would look at this move today. And i would say the reverend's weren't thrilled with anthony mantha but the capitals had to pay a lot to get him what it says to me is. I have no reason to believe the red wings. Have a problem with dylan larkin. But if i make them a really good offer what will they say to me. I think that's fair. To at least entertain is an idea. See that's the way. I look at it from outside. That was my reaction. Let me do this on this trade. Then let me play amateur insider if i was on your panel with cj and you're on my panel today with Bautzen versteegthe yup. And you said jeff. What do you think of this washington. Detroit deal carrier. Here's what i would say to you. I'd say well host elliott. It looks to me as if it's too deals. It's anthony mantha for jacob verana and the first and second in exchange for taking the contract. Richard panik i would disagree with you slightly. How so. I think the second is for taking contract. I think verana anna. I for mantha which is interesting because there are more similar than they are different. Statistically like i really liked verana. The one story i love telling about verano ways in the two thousand eighteen stanley cup final. I wanna say it was after game. Four washington was up three to wine and there were a couple days off and the capitols fans will tell me off. I know the stories right. I just might have the day wrong but there were two days off between games. That's why i think it was game. Four and capitals told all of their players. They're regulars take the day off okay and one capital regular skated and took practice that day. And it was jacob verana and i saw him after the practice and i said to him. You're the only guy skating and he said i can't score. I have to practice scoring and he went out the next game when he scored a huge goal. And i always remembered that to me. That's a guy who gets it. So i've always taken real interest in verana but i think at their best i would take over verana and the other thing too is mantha. Signed the capitals. They need cost certainty with re-signing ovechkin. They're going to get cost certainty here. I don't think that's insignificant. I can remember talking to someone from the boston bruins. This would have been the two thousand fourteen draft. And i can't remember which tournament this was. It might have been the you. Eighteen and brannagh had a great tournament. filled the net. David pasternak was injured. I remember talking to someone from the boston. Bruins who brought up the point that going into it they valued posture nak more than veron. And in some ways the fact that pasternak was injured was a blessing because the entire hype was all around jacob verana and that's why he went thirteenth and david posture knock fell to the boston. Bruins twenty fifth But going into that season there was the okay. Who's the better goal score here and pretty sure. Boston was worn of them. That favored pasternak and in some ways and lookouts worked out pretty preposterous. Knock yup the injury actually helped The boston bruins for that draft just as a side. Note there all right. We have a lot to get into on the podcast anymore with the with the washington detroit traders. We move things along. Let's move things. Along. let's do it. We got a lot to get through today. Welcome to thirty-one thoughts to podcast presented by the gmc. Sierra eighteen hailer hall has been traded to the boston bruins. He in curtis lazar traded late last night as gm kevin adams continues to make changes in exchange. The sabers we'll get a second round draft pick and forward anders bjork but it is reportedly part of a deal but the sabres will still pay half of halls. Eight million dollar salary is news. Came very late last night. And a lot of people are just waking up to lauren halls in the newsroom. Getting your feedback this morning. What are people saying. Lauren egg amaury mostly good morning. This is something many fans may just be learning about their waking up. So we're getting people's live reactions right now. Making the seven one. Six is getting a lot of love from people this morning. Nick is just one of the comments. We've gotten about him. He says he's more annoyed him than anything else. Tyler may not holding back on facebook. He says we got robbed again. And then richard on facebook says he was hoping for at least a conditional first round pick. Okay welcome to the post trade deadline edition of thirty one. The podcast As i mentioned off the top we have a lot to get to here. We're going to plow through as much as we can until we start to bore a you and be ourselves. So elliott taylor hall curtis lazar to the boston bruins exchange for unders bjork and he's second round. Pick buffalo fifty percent of the taylor hall contract your initial thoughts before we start to sharpen the pencil on this. One taylor hall confirmed a lot of things that i think we've previously reported and have kind of been known but it's different when someone actually comes out and says number one. He really wanted to go to boston number two. I think he wanted to go to boston here because he wants to sign with them. Next year number three he came close to signing with them last year. But couldn't and the reason i heard is that the bruins had to move money around and make some moves and he just didn't want to wait. He wanted to play so he saw. He wanted to know where he was going to play. So we signed with buffalo. I think a lot of this. You know he confirmed for us. I think vegas was in. I think the islanders were in. I think saint louis was in. Although i'm not sure how much. And i just think he said get me to buffalo so that is funny because i had. I got a dm from a saint louis. Blues player. Who said have you heard anything about getting taylor hall and i said no. I don't wanna bug was Sunday nights. I don't wanna bug elliott's it's a busy night for him but i haven't heard that said we're by uni said i just rumblings around here do you know how close it was was saint louis at all. I just know they were in. I don't know that it was close. I'll tell you this. I think it was closed with vegas. I mean as close as it can be without hall saying yes right. I think it was potentially closed with vegas. I think it was close with the islanders but more close with the islanders earlier in the week then later in the week that would have been pre palmeiras zajac deal yes like that was basically the honors making a choice and they took palmeri. Overhaul k. I don't think the boston offer was the best offer that buffalo god's but you'll hall made it pretty clear. He was going to flex his muscles as is his right. Kevin adams pretty much said as much and taylor hall himself. Said i'll say that. Yeah definitely the nor move really helped me become a bruin. Since i knew that i would be traded for the last few weeks. It was a team that i really wanted to join and we really wanted to be a part of like your point like everything just pointed at taylor hall said this is where i wanna go. If you wanna move me make this happen. Well we have better offers from other teams. That doesn't concern me. I have this clause and this is where. I wanna go. I'll tell you this if the islanders had chosen him over. Paul marianne wednesday. I don't think he was saying no to that. But i think at the end of the week when boston really got in there Because i had heard. And i don't know if we'll ever know the truth. I heard boston was in. And then they were kind of of out is the right word. but it didn't look likely. And all of a sudden they came back to the forefront. So i really do think there was a time on wednesday hall. Thought he was going to be an islander and then on the weekend once the bruins release started going. Then i think he had his heart set on them. I want to get back to taylor hall here in a second and and the you know if you can see this as a a longer term opportunity for him with the boston bruins but what do you think of the return for the buffalo sabres now. This raised a lot of eyebrows Bjork in his second round pick in buffalo eats half of the contract. What do you make of that. Well i mean you when the player flexes muscle you lose your leverage. So you do the best. You can do right. Yep now i think at one time buffalo as boston for one of their two young police either of later or swimming and that obviously didn't happen and then you know they moved on to whatever was they have a lot of guys who wouldn't i wouldn't surprise me if they were be interested in. Someone like bjork. Jason nightingale was the assistant director of amateur scouting. He worked for a on notre dame staff just before bjork got their their head of amateur scouting. Jerry foreman has a long history of nc double a. scouting. You know don granado with all of his years coaching in the youth hockey minor hockey level there. I'm sure he has people in those bjork. Like i was told the sabers would have a lot of people that have a lot of insight into bjork so i'm not surprised that he was a player that they focused on. Would you know not necessarily the teams but what the nature of some of the other offers would be. I heard the islander offer was similar to the one that the did with palmeri. Now obviously there was a bit more in the paul deal. Zajac was involved right right like basically. I heard last wednesday. I think at chris's mentioned this. The islanders were deciding palmeira or hall and the islanders made their decision. They went for palmera. Back taylor hall. What are the chances. What are the odds with our the desires or maybe can just say well. We'll see how he plays with the boston. Bruins here merrick. The taylor hall ends up signing a longer term deal with boston at the end of all of this essentially wondering does he wanna go through the unrestricted free agency. Dance at a flat cap universe right now. Well if you listen to him today you think he wants to stay. One hundred percent is what he said. This is a test drive. This is a test drive for the bruins and for him. He wants to be a abroad. And the major reason he picked the bruins. He wants this to be a long term relationship This is not a tender rights. Swipe this is the whole long-term relationship then. I am glad that i missed the era of online dating. I am so glad that. I miss dating apps. I'm so glad. So glad i missed all of that. I did online dating. But i was pretender. Did you like it. No i hate. It is a matter of fact what i did though and this actually did work for me was ill as people no. I went to school western one year. I went back to western because they asked me to do a speech to their journalism. Students like a lecture. So i agreed to do it. I went up the night before i met up with. Somebody's from university there and we went out and we had a good night. Okay so i looked like hell the next morning and aasa. I looked terrible. I really looked awful and after like student paper. Came to interview me the gazette and they're like can we take your picture and i'm like do you really have to like you could pull off the internet like you have to take a picture of me now. And they're like yes. We'd like a an a fresh updated picture. And i'm like oh my god so i did it. The couple of days later the picture appeared and someone called calling from the university and said. Have you seen this picture of you in the university paper and i go no and so it was online and it was so bad. If you find it you'll know which one it is. It's so bad. I look awful. So what i did was i use that picture as my online dating profile them i actually said this is the worst picture of me that exists so of you can handle this. I can assure you it's better than this and it worked. It was an excellent opener. I only have one. And i got to be very careful how i say this i have one. I think the dating app was tender. Story i got a call from a friend of mine. She was She doesn't play in the league doesn't exist anymore but she used to play in the cwa whol and she called me up one day and said looking for a reference for someone one of our colleagues who. She was matched with on tinder. That i had to give a reference for. Oh my goodness and no. I'm not going to tell you who it is. was it dave and david amber. Now why would you wanna david. Amber i because i think he would take the most defense pick you. I'm going with people who would be really bothered really bothered by saying that. Yeah was it. Cj was it sanjay. Oh you know you're honestly your cold like directionally your call. You're in a in a cold area right now. was it ellie rudy. It is one of record. No it's not kelly rudy. It is one of her colleagues though. All right You mentioned buffalo a second ago asking for a young boston. Bruins netminders and i think a lot of people are interested to find out or try to snoop around what's happening with the buffalo sabres and lena's own mark. He's on an expiring contract. And now is this not advantage player. Yes because trade deadline has come and gone and they have not done a thing with them. You can have as many expressions of interest and negotiate in good faith as you want but all mark has to know that after him if he leaves. There's a whole bunch of question marks in buffalo crease. Right now yes and buffalo made the choice that they weren't going to extend they weren't gonna be able to extend them right now but they weren't going to trade him and they've said that this is a priority they wanna get all mark signed you know. Even though they have a really good young prospect. You wanna remind us we is. We'll capello logan yes he's about two years away. Sudbury wolves goaltender finish guy playing in the american league with rochester last year played. Cincinnati real good prospect but still probably two years away hookah pekka logan and i think the other thing is that i think the sabres really feel that and this is true. All marcus played really hard in a very difficult situation. Yes and you always want to bet on the guy you know they know so. I think that's what's going on here is they're betting on the guy they know and they wanna sign him and they made the decision probably about a day or two before the deadline that they were going to hold onto them and take their chances. Dangerous does a probably mean you. Overpay them yes. It probably does. But i mean first of all you always could walk away later if you wanted to but secondly. I think that if you're going do that do it with the guy you know. Elsewhere around. Trade deadline The pittsburgh penguins. Now ron hextall. Last week dig talk about to do something down. The middle also talked about wanting to bring in someone with A little bit of size and they end up getting jeff carter from the los angeles kings. I think they were in on zajac. By the way they're in on zajac. That was a guy they liked. Didn't how did they get the jeff carter and why jeff carter l. a. by the way retains fifty percent of the contract Picks third round twenty twenty two and fourth in twenty twenty. Three for jeff carter. While i mean ron hextall talked a lot about this. That he was a guy they kinda targeted. It's interesting because when i heard it i was surprised. You know last year philadelphia thought about bringing back. Carter and carter made it pretty clear. He wasn't interested In the east coast at that time he wasn't interested in anything. La but obviously pittsburgh worked it and they got the guy at the right time. And you know it'll be it'll be interesting there you know there's there's there's very interesting cap recapture implications here to write fewer tires if he retires after this year. You know. there's not a big penalty for anybody involved here to me. The most fascinating thing about is the fact. That carter did it because there's been a couple of times. In the past couple of years i think arizona tried to get him to at one point and he said no i. I'm not doing that so you know. This is a guy who went from. No no no to yes and to me. That's the most fascinating part of the whole story and it's always been about family for him to me. Those fascinating part of the story is. There's an opportunity in our hockey world right now for the pittsburgh penguins to win the stanley cup with jeff carter in the lineup. And ron hextall. As the general manager is kind of funny thank you just let the gravity of that sink in for a second and again. Just stay alive and you'll see some some pretty interesting things. Toronto maple leafs. Let's go over some of their moves. nick felino is the big one and the big price and san jose helped. Hold some of the kitty here First round pick so columbus picks up another one. They've got three now and two fourths in exchange for nick felino. Well i think that one player the maple leafs looked at was connor garland arizona. Yeah he's Arbitration eligible this season. I think that would have been the most fascinating thing about it like i. If you look at what the maple leafs did. What did they do. They added felino. Ufo yeah the ad riley nash. Ufa the ad. Ben hutton ufa. They added david ridicule. Faa and i think all of that was important. Because they want to keep zach hyman and they need the ultimate flexibility to do that. So that's point number one. I do think they had some pretty intense conversations about garland. I don't believe it was ever close. But i think they talked about it. I think they talked about it with arizona and one of the things that was most. Fasting is because depending on how it all went. Garland didn't have a contract for next year as you said he's arbitration eligible. So you'd have this backup like this to me. Is the most fascinating thing about it about that. Possibility is if hyman leaves. You have garland. If hyman stays you know were they thinking we take garland for this run and then figured out down the road. I mean it's a really fascinating thing to me. But the price would have been higher though but then the potential exists for them to signs at and not qualify connor. I wouldn't say not qualify. But maybe you move him interesting dynamic but this is like i said like i don't know what they were thinking. I just know they talked about it. I don't think it was ever close. They didn't make the move for felino until they didn't. They knew they weren't getting garland. Could they have done both. I have no idea. But because garland's only making seven seventy five this year right. But i think they looked at it. He's due for a big race. He like every everybody's on the same page is disguised getting a race anyway. I like toronto. Did i think they made their team better. They give one player off their roster barabash off. We needed to go play. They don't have a lot of draft picks the next two years but he didn't give up any of their best prospects like one of the teams told me after the deadline was over that when they were talking with toronto was pretty clear. like toronto. said we're not doing robertson. We're not doing sanding that. I think they said were not doing lilla grin and we're not doing azarov. I think those were the four guys. Toronto told them they weren't doing so they basically knew that toronto wai to keep their prospects and they're willing to move picks like look. We talked about this ad nauseam. They're all in. This is their year to go for it and they took one guy off their roster. I don't know how you can be critical of that. And when you look at where that pick is gonna be like. This is not going to be a top ten pick. No it's it's not like this is going to be a. We're waiting for this. Pick the first day of the draft. Were were towards the end. When people are folding up chairs and folding up their notes the verdict comes in for a third round. Pick you mentioned ben hutton. As well i think when it comes to the maple leafs you look at the totality of the moves. And we'll get the montreal on a second. I think the same thing. There they got a forward they got a goalie. they gotta defenseman. That's what was on the wishlist You know one of the things. I think i know fully going to be the headline and british going to be a story as well but going into deadline wasn't one of the questions who's defenseman number seven for the toronto maple leafs and you're looking at a whole lot of inexperienced and maybe players that you weren't necessarily that comfortable putting in that position you know apropos of nothing just the night before the deadline. Somebody was telling me that they thought hutton would be a good pick up for someone because he'd been playing reasonably well and the other thing too is and i believe i can't remember who on the death said this was or was it be exa ben. Hutton he's never going to cause you a problem. Be exa was saying that. He's the guy that comes to the rink with the smile. He's not going to complain about anything. Get away from me. i'm depressed. I can't stand people like you it this way. He's a kinda guy berkey would hate. Yes optimistic person. The real happy guy. And you know what. I have to say that the other thing here is that riley nash. He's gonna play for this team in the playoffs. Yeah fourth line center. Role makes a whole lot of sense. He's played them twice the leasing a lot of them. He played against them for boston in the playoffs and columbus. I don't think it's a coincidence. They did for a cap move but they also did it because they like the player montreal canadian's and before we get to the totality of what. Mark burgess van has done going back to jake allen and joel edmonson and josh anderson and corey perry etc. What's the deal with the tony diangelo montreal situation so basically what happened. Was the canadians decided that they wanted to give. Deangelis will look but they didn't want to pick up the five million for next year right. Yeah so what was going to have to happen was di angelo and the rangers. We're going to have to agree to a termination and then the canadians. We're gonna sign him to a contract for next year now. I don't know the exact number. But basically from what i heard it was gonna make deangelis whole because deangelis angelo's under twenty six. Yep he's getting bought out for one third next year not two-thirds okay so by not accepting the termination he's saves just under three million. I think montreal was gonna make him pretty close to whole. That's what i understood between next year and this year He was going to be close to whole however he decided not to do it. And he'll take the buyout. He turned down the canadians. What i think is is that he believes there's gonna be other opportunities for him and maybe there's something that he thinks is better but but he does seem to believe there's gonna be opportunities for we'll see we'll see where it goes. This off season but montreal was definitely interested and they offered him a contract for next year. That was going to if not make them whole come pretty close to one element of the mantra canadians at deadline. The other great from the very beginning with with mark berge van. It seemed as if the moment they lost to the philadelphia flyers merger at and the bubble mark of van said okay. This is our shot at k. Last year a trade deadline you can recall a year ago elliot. They're getting rid of everybody. What do you want. We're fire embodies out the door. We gotta we gotta do something and then the nhl came back and by virtue of how they were going to construct their playoffs. The montreal canadiens found themselves in a playoff spot in and around around and beat the pittsburgh penguins in spectacular fashion And then ended up falling to the philadelphia flyers and then berge van went to work. Replacing players trades signings and continued all season. Long coach. firings like you became pretty obvious that this was a general manager. Saying we need to do this. This season The lose victor mezei on waivers on monday. Make the move for erica. Simpson the make the move for john merrill and the montreal canadians are quote unquote again reinforcing. That they are all in your thoughts. On what berge evanston accuse them of being inactive at the end of the day wants his guys get healthy sheriff gallagher. I look at that team. I just think it should be better than it is I don't know what's going on this year. I look at them. And i feel they should be better than they are on paper. That's a roster that i think should be challenging for first place in the north division. They got lot of guys. They have a lot of guys. So it's funny. 'cause versteegthe and i looked at each other when you made the announcement of the The eric gust of sin. I think was you that made the announcement broke the fray the gus incomes and we kind of looked at each other and we said how many contracts is montreal have now they did not feel like montreal has like seventy contracts when you're only allowed fifty s you have so many bodies. I do wonder about that. I remember the one year washington under boudreau where they went out and they got scott walker and a bunch of guys and then there were guys were unhappy. They weren't playing. Yeah i wonder about all that. I do wonder if sometimes you get to too much. The team is not equal to the sum of its parts right now. It just isn't as good as it should be Let's they wanna pick jets elliott and we went into trade deadline. And you said you know winnipeg jets. It'd be looking for a defensemen and like everybody else. Everyone was drawing lines between them and players. Like david savard who ended up pointed tampa bay lightning and kevin chevrolet off sort of waited in the shadows and waited and waited until the very last minute. Where he picked up. Georgie ben from the vancouver canucks your thoughts on the jets. See i think they tried something. Big okay kevin. Chevrolet off at his presser said that you know. Obviously there's a lot of teams did some other things but offer for yourself You you look at what's available in front of you what What sets no you make those accordingly and we looked at a few other things that we tried to do a couple of other things today. That You know might have been some big swings but You know the players that we targeted didn't see. I believe that's true. I i am not in the habit of calling somebody a liar unless i can absolutely prove it. I don't believe he's lying about this. I heard that they were really trying something big and at the end they just decided it was too rich doing something. Really big with a defenseman. Yes now it could have been a bigger thing all. I heard that there was something big. I've tried to figure out what it was still early. So you know. I'm sure by putting it out this podcast. Everybody will start looking what it was. I have some suspicions that maybe it was potentially nashville or buffalo. Or maybe even someone like anaheim. But i don't know exactly like those are all guesses. I do believe he really wanted to do something. And at the andy just decided. It was too rich and doing this. Would he have known that. George ben was in his hip pocket along shoot. You wanna make that deal. yes okay. florida panthers. Sam bennett and brandon. Menteur are now members of the florida. Panthers they tried to get david savard they also got nikita gusev. They did new jersey Parted ways very you know if you take a look at it. It's a it's a pretty interesting group this year. The panthers right in the sense of carver hagey anthony do claire. Now gustav now. Sam ban it. You know i think in the nhl you have to catch lightning in a bottle sometimes right yup for lack of a better. Turn the island of misfit toys. You know you you have to try that. Sometimes you always had a really good year for them this year. Mackenzie liter sure has in. There was a belief that the maple leafs tried to alleviate florida of the the burden of having such a wonderful defenseman on the roster and they did definitely did try. But you know that's the thing that you know. I was really curious about here. Is that no florida. Dave tried some unconventional things this year and so far they've been working and now they're going to try a couple more. I'll tell you that first round series. Whoever it ends up being in cambridge with these divisions are called right now but whoever finishes second third of that florida carolina tampa triumvirate. That's going to be one of the best series of the first round. Well and you in in a lotta ways. It's the central division by the way. You're really kind of hope that it's tampa because you just wanna get these teams meeting in the playoffs ashamed. That won't have to go out in the first round. But i don't care just these two have been in the league for too long that close together in the same state for them not to play against one another. The other end of that. Sam bennett deal is of course. A calgary flames and brad tra- living. I thought he did well. I thought his value was good. Basically to second rounders because they got a prospect from last year. I heard some a couple. Couple me about that prospect after we put it out there a meal heynemann. There's a. there's a couple of really liked him as a player. They say that he's going to be middle. Six guy who's gonna kill some penalties and drive people crazy. You only the good things about them. What happens now. With the calgary flames. I mean this was. This was a tough day for flames. Fans been tough season for for flames fans. It seemed like it was a tough day for brad. Tra- living did some things that He kind of got the feeling he had to do. Like this was not the plan for the flames. This year i the flames go out and pick up town of and pick up marks from it as a general manager. You not expecting to have that type of press conference on trade deadline. No i think they were hoping they were going to be able to move ryan to there. Were definitely some talks around him but obviously it didn't happen. But you know what you gotta third rounder for riddick. You got the two seconds. Essentially for bennett. But i do think the flames are pretty much doing their legwork. What happens now the other team. I heard that chuck fletcher had an interesting comment about. I'm gonna fix some things in the off season. I think philly's been doing a lot of their legwork to laying the groundwork for what's what's going on the surprise they did scott lot no Because i think lot and wanted to stay you. Know the tanner pearson deal. That really changed some things. I think it affected the follow deal and i think it affected the lot and deal by those. Were two players who wanted to stay. You know. I have follow wanted to stay in. La and lawton wanted to stay in philly. And i heard that the pearson deal kind of changed the landscape around them you know and you have to do your grinding on both sides but neither one of those two guys wanted to go anywhere as a matter of fact like in phillies case. I think they investigated trading him like they were checking their the market. I heard la like robert. Blake was was saying. I don't even if we don't sign him which they did. I'm i don't know if we're trading them. I probably not want to get your thoughts quickly. Vancouver can actually talked about. George ben from the winnipeg point of view. Jim benning also moving adam. Good debt chicago blackhawks. Matthew highmore comes back the other way you know it was it was. It was interesting watching christopher stieg. Who who knows high more played with them Go out of his way to mention. How good a player. Highmore is and what the vancouver connects. You're getting in this cow. Well i i mean obviously the cannot twitter was not giving it rave reviews so i was very interested in hearing what ver steeg had say. You know i. I think there's a couple of things at play here number one. I think got at was ready to go from vancouver. Let let's take the kovic situation out of this okay. Let's just talk about it from a purely hockey point of view while one thing that jim benning did mention is this is the classic. He needs a change of scenery. Yes the all. We reported a couple of times this year. That good that was out there. I think they talked to nashville about him. I think they talked to boston about him. And probably more. Those are two why i know of. I think that was ready to go. I think he felt his career was stagnating in vancouver and he was ready to move on and i think the canucks were ready to obviously ready to accommodate him. They did now. Ian mcintyre who does a great job of reporting reporting there for us. He said that there was no correspondence with the whole situation. And good at being sort of the patient zero of the covid situation out there. Look i i find it very hard to talk about in the sense the might teammate. I don't like disagreeing with my teammates and it's be exa happy disagree with all the time. I just think that this whole last couple of weeks has put an enormous strain on the franchise and i had one agent. Who told me that some of the players really thought the coverage of the symptoms and stuff was way overblown. And i had others. Who told me no. This is serious and some players are really unhappy so the truth is probably somewhere in the middle right. You know jeff. I just look at it and i'm like it's hard to believe that the past couple of weeks didn't accelerate an already unhappy players departure. Make sense a couple of things not things that happened and will conclude on this not things that happened but things that didn't happen The name ryan gets laugh was a surprise to a few people just hearing that his name was out there. Now we've talked about the anaheim ducks before. And i think a lot of people looked at the anaheim ducks and said hachem. Not more moose. But i think a lot of people were surprised even to hear his name involved in trade discussions despite the fact that he's an impending unrestricted free agent. Nothing ended up happening with ryan guests laugh but was it ever close. I don't think it was close. I think it was discussed. You know like. I said i. I believe montreal called asked about him and you know. I don't think he was going there. I i think if it was anywhere it was close. I think gets laugh wise willing to discuss the possibility of vegas by you know. One of the things in anaheim did wise. You know the prices were really high for a lot of anaheim's guys One of the teams that was asking about josh. Manson said to me it was like they were basically saying. Don't ask but if you do it's going to be so high that you're not gonna wanna do it anyway. So that's kind of where it was there. I really liked anaheim gamble on hayden flurry like i. I see two teams. That got what they wanted there. I thought it was a good gamble for anaheim a younger player that needs more of an opportunity to play and i think that carolina got the kind of player that they were looking for a right hand. Shoddy physical defenseman yanni hawkin. Pa like he's a beast if you've watched any of their games this year. He's a beast. He's making seven hundred and fifty cans not sign for next year. I mean those two teams got what they wanted. Third in the nhl and hits. He uses that body. He's your bruiser. But i think a lot of anaheim's other guys they were saying we're gonna make it hard on. Let's end on this. We've seen this before but not as much as we saw it. This season the third team holding part of the san jose twice. I don't know that there's a term for it yet but it'll come the bag man. I'm gonna call them the bag man. The bag man. Okay the bag man. Oh san jose's the bag man on the on the flea no deal the bag man phenomenon in the nhl in a flat cap h. l. universe around trade deadline not even trade deadline just trades in general. Do expect to see the bag man more. I think so over the next few years. You know the other thing. I wanted to you know as contracts start to and in the world starts to reshape. The teams have more room because they just restrictor stricter stingier with the contracts. Like i look at some of the contracts this week. You know how many guys are gonna get five five year deals like lawton did and the other two is lawton's deal has only a million dollars in bonuses. I think that's going to be. I think the big guys are still going to get their heavy bonuses but again this is the vanishing of the middle class. Follow has no bonuses but he got four years. There's no there's not gonna be a lot of guys get four years and all of these guys they signed with their teams right pearson to you you know one of the things i i really think is that some of the biggest issues were were turn. You know. I think vancouver wanted to do two years with pearson and pearson fought for the third year. I think for the longest time l. A. only wanted to do two years with follow and i have follow fought for turn with lodden i think there was a willingness to do five years however the biggest issue was getting the money up and that one from what i heard but i think these deals are going to be challenges and you know jeff i think yes. You're gonna see this more and more. And i'm really curious to see how the overall structure of contracts changes my final question to you is as we sign off this recording ninety eighteen eastern yup on monday night From when you take the headphones off and turn the microphone off. How quickly will you be asleep. I'm going to be asleep pretty fast. Because you know what i have. A regional tuesday. Night calgary toronto and i gotta get the blog done tomorrow. I'm going to do something that i've never done With this blog before that and that is going to wake up at six in the morning and start writing. Then i've never done that before. Elliott time for bed on unite. This blog is going to be especially incoherent. Grab today by ball on both you and her insiders desk were fantastic. Cj stuntman of do that guy's a be he you know he got up and ran this morning before we did all those hits and we're in for our Our cova test eight o'clock. Cj win for another run guys. Fantastic i thought i did. I did a peleton. You did appel two. Am yesterday yeah. I did a. I did a fifteen minute. Climb and a twenty minute. Low impact on a five minute cool down at two in the morning and i think this is crazy and he got up and I'm l. easiest of the three of you i said forget it. It's going to be a busy day. 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504: Alex Smith's Inspiring Comeback; Torts vs Domi; Canucks Emotional Post-COVID Win;

"Guinot music intruder going right into it. Welcome to the show. How about that. A subdued start to the show. It's another s at ed and other what are the s p which may stand for the steve. Worn project might stand for sports and whatever. We may never know the answer but we are going off daily with ottawa sports. Talk and funded. stephen jimmy. Schmooze ended up once again and jimmy. If i may. I word today to david johnson. One of the good listeners sent on facebook that made me chuckling ethica. Will you as well congrats. You're jimmy on last week and the five hundred sode's as he called it hands and feet above the competition. weekly podcast. But you didn't do that did you. Skill loving the content on the daily. Thanks boys that is from david. How're things james. Got them all in there. You got it all in the you do that though didn't you. That's a bill hader thing isn't it. I saw i saw that. Yeah yeah for sure for sure it is because bill haters. They did it. Big big thing in the deepfakes that are out there. You've seen deepfakes right. No the defects. Let's when you we've talked about this on the show before so it's basically you can take somebody's face and put it on somebody else's face in in a video right okay and it looks. Looks a million percent like them. So bill haters on various talk shows and they're morphing pacino's face onto his as he's doing out pacino impression and such and and one one point he was doing that Lynn you didn't the you. And i think that's jimmy got. Oh yeah i love bill hader and then of course of course. The one of the main was the canadian guy. The host on dateline keith morals keith. Morrison john's he does just andrea. I laugh every time. He does it where he says. Keith goes so you sai- your father shot in the face. that's wild. he such a chameleon bill hater. Because you he he's a he can act if you seen you've seen berry which has sort of a sitcom component but also a drama component at the same time so he just a real chameleon with all the things you can do but then you see him when you just sort of hanging out on a talk show or something like that. He's almost a bit nerdy right off of it. So he's an interesting guy. And i liked everything he's done. I forgot which movie i saw in the last few months with him about him. A girl i forget. Yeah great act. Great actor was that the one with kristen wig. What's it called. I don't know what it's called The skeleton twins something like that something like that. Yeah sorry. I guess yeah. But he's great he plays right. Robin williams was a fantastic actor areas hilarious comic but Really good really good to my favorites. You go back and watch them. They just classics in that. Be good will hunting and dead. Poet's society right it all right those both. They both kind of came out of left field. Because you always thought about you. Know the zany robin williams and to see him in those two movies. You're like wow. This guy's got a whole other level got chops man. Yeah it's like when you when you get introduced to jim carey back. In his day right he was just a lunatic. The lunatic mean it just was i saw him. The first time you saw him was at carleton university years ago porter hall in the unicenter and i was. I was brought to my knees man. With how funny was with this impression. But he's whacked. You know he was whacked and you would think well. This guy's never ever going to be any sort of actor if he wanted to be his on. Believable actor right. Oh god from comedy to drama to all sorts of stuff you know it was so that's you know you've got You know bill haters. Good actor robin williams. Jim carey and and you know jim. Karen robin williams are the are the most curious that they're they're really good dramatic in there and they're fucking question all right we should launch in. We've got sideways there to start. But i enjoy doing that and we got lots to get to here today. since we're in action last night we're not gonna talk too much about. That was a late start and well we were staying up for that but we'll talk about it in our next episode of course Other things on the go America god america with ten times. The population has beaten us to the vaccination finish line. I just got a tweet. From joe biden here says literally everybody in america in now get their vaccine every all while fantastic good so demographically. They've beaten us to the finish. Line the open. It up here in ontario. Think we mentioned the last the forty and overcrowded here But yeah it just seems weird to me that america would be that far ahead of us when it seemed like there early. Reactions under donald. Trump's watch seemed to be well behind canada. Yeah well p- kind of bodes well for companies to get along with america. Wanted to make them already. Follow the money as always just in. They've got connections america. So i'm glad to hear that i'm i'm really glad to hear it. It's not good right. It's not people are panicking. Variant is having a a worse effect than than we'd hoped for. And i talked to a no. I've taken to sort of phoning friends of my parents. My mom always used to be fairly strict with you. Gotta stay in touch with these people you know. Stay in touching iphone one of their best friends last night. Mrs brown still caller okay. Mrs brown cheese probably got to be ninety and you know as we sort of bump through each day now go. Yeah right. Right covert here. Of course gotta be careful and all that stuff. God you talk to these senior citizens and they are in full panic mode full granik moat right there. She's she's closed in lives in a condo on lakeshore boulevard in toronto up in a high rise and You know is really out of sorts. You know really out of sorts. About how are they gonna get food. You know how they are. They going to get anything got to rely on family and stuff too so it's really kind of taken aback when i talked to yesterday that you know how how nervous they are right and how frightened they are You know even though they're elderly you know wants to die you know nobody wants to die and and you you can hear that inner voice and many other senior citizens so it's a terrible time terrible time for for everybody but It put it in perspective for me yesterday with you know we have kids. They're young everyone's everyone seems to just you know. Sort of proceeding through their day Was the news saying okay. We've got a bear down a little more but for the elderly. It's just it's just an awful awful time for them. They don't wanna go out that way. Yeah so Changing gears to the sports side of things. And maybe a little more lightness and that was. It's a video the grabbed me today and it's the one thing i wanted to talk about more than anything else. We're going to get to today. And that's the video that quarterback alex smith put out there today on his instagram and it was basically announcing his retirement from the game. But oh my god what an absolutely amazing comeback that this guy had. The guy broke his leg playing for the washington redskins couple of years ago and there was concerns whether he'd survive like it was that bad a break for certain. There was possibility that he might lose the leg. And not only did he overcome all that He went through a multiple surgeries. Like in the double digits and And just fought his way back and fought his way back. And finally this past season got into a washington redskins game and then today decided you know what a loving left to do. Feel like i have a of throws me still a lot of snaps. But i got a call it a day and i don't know. Did you have a chance to see the video. That i said i did i did. It's great moving moving. You know You know he the the great part of the video the two or three minute video. I think it's just over a couple of minutes is starting up before you react to a jimmy. Do you wanna play it here. It's only a couple of minutes. Sure yeah cup. So here is alex smith. The washington redskins quarterback calling it a day. And i thought it was really inspiring. Two years ago. I was stuck in a wheelchair staring down at my mangled leg wondering if i'd ever be able to go on a walk with my wife again or play games with my kids in the yard putting my helmet back on was the farthest thing from my mind. I just kept asking myself all this for a stupid game but then someone did something that changed my recovery completely. He put a football back in my hands. I don't know what it was but all of a sudden. I felt stronger more driven and what once seemed impossible began to come into focus and the truth is over the course of my life. That's what this game has done for me. I was as skinny. No name recruit. Who wasn't even supposed to play in college. Let alone go to new york as a heisman finalist or be the first one to have his name called on draft night and then on a routine play. I almost lost everything but football wouldn't let me give up because no this isn't just a game. It's not just what happens between those white lines on a sunday afternoon. It's about the challenges and the commitment they require. It's about how hard and how far you can push yourself. It's about the bond between those fifty three guys in the locker room and everybody else in the organization it's about fully committing yourself to something bigger and most of all it's about you so to everyone out there whether you're a part of nine nation the chiefs kingdom or the burgundy gold. I thank you to all the men. I had the privilege of standing with in playing alongside. Thank you i wanna say. Thank you for believing in me and thank you for helping me believe in myself and in the impossible. Here we go. Wow folks alex smith for the first time. Even though i've got plenty of snaps less than me after sixteen years of giving this game everything. I've got i can't wait to see what else is possible. But i i'm going to take a little time to enjoy a few of those walks with my wife and my kids have no idea what's coming for them in the backyard. So there it is. Alex smith A pretty inspiring video. And i wonder if others will follow suit as they call it a career doing something along those lines. I'm not sure that many have with story to go with it but that was a hell of a video was right right away when you look at it. You're just in amazement when you see the opening of it where the guy's leg is in just bolted down right with one of those metal. It looks like scaffolding that's late and and you know bolted in the sides. You're going wait a minute. This guy came back from that. Yeah so you see that right away. And then he launches in to talk about You know when when he got injured like this so dramatically That he said you know football did matters just a stupid game. I think is what he says in that video. Just a dumb game. And i'm i'm you know i got i gotta move on. Things are way bigger way more important to me than the game of football and then thirty seconds later he goes well at least. That's what i thought. It wasn't until someone handed me a football. When i was in rehab and he talks about you know as a matter of fact i all everything to football and It was you know poignant it was it was bang on. You know he he. He really put together incredible. Thought you know before before. I did this thing and what it meant to him. And what football meant you know. What a comeback. Obviously i can't. I can't i can't relate to an nfl career. But i can certainly relate to having to that love of just having a football in your hand like i would. I would be on the floor watching. Tv throwing a football up in the air while lying on my back just the feel of football the smell of a football absolutely loved it and it just it really did kind of it had the this emotive quality about it that you just like. Oh my god. I love throwing a football around and it was the same with a ball glove. Righty you'd have the ball glove and the smell of its in the feel of it. Yeah it's kind of careful what you wish for right because you never. You never know how much you're going to miss till it's taken away right. i did. That's a household deal not me making that up. We've all heard that you never know how much you're gonna miss something till it's taken away is joni mitchell song. Oh there you know what you got till it's gone right right in its worst form. It's death right when when you lose somebody and it's worst but then you see this guy talking about it and then you know saying oh my god i can't. I can't believe what the game did to me. And owen particularly. When i got injured i got taken out of the game. You know it. It comes on the heels stevie this this video that it's alex smith right. This is name correct. Yeah it comes on the heels of yesterday you we've we've had chosen and where we talk about the comeback right the great comeback from injury. You know mario lemieux hockey and I think it was Who is the kid in. Auto steve's the senators ryan bobby ryan. Yeah bobby ryan who kept his life together when it was spiraling out of control. Sacco always talk about when he came back from cancer. There's there's all all sorts of stories like that you know And yesterday they. They did a thing in On the on the golf channel. As lydia cole who hasn't won in many years okay. Who hasn't won many years. She was she was a finorm right. She won the canadian open when she was fifteen years old or six at least twice in a row. Yeah crazy crazy right and and so there was the story. She one The other day. By though i've never seen it before four rounds of seven under each stevie. Okay she wins by four shots And so they made this you know they they the profiled. There's you know looking at the number of days. Since she's one they also use jordan. Speak which everyone thought they were going to have with this guy. And and stewart cink whose who won The heritage classic yesterday. The bbc heritage. And he's forty seven years old and they were showing this thing going. This is amazing. These people grind the grinded out. They hung in there. They practice their head off more than they ever did. Before they played through this adversity. They played through the emotion of thinking man. My career might be over and you go. That's pretty cool. And then you see this story about alex smith and you go. You know what you guys are going to be fine. I don't give a shit that you haven't won in three years. Okay right and and yet. When i first saw it before the the video You know i. I saw it. I was like yeah. Wow way to go man well. That's that's really really something to overcome right. And i'm going It's not that big a deal. Okay here's a really big deal Yeah so i was really inspiring for sure to see See of the way he was as he said in the video he was just trying to get to a place. Football meant nothing. Get to a place where he is. Play this kids again. They could walk again that he could save the leg. For god's sakes and that there was still a bit more football not very much but a bit more football at the end of his rehab. That's amazing and just to be able to prove that to yourself that you can do that like that guy's going to be so successful in life With a will like that. And so i was really inspired by that and i wanted to play that for everybody today. The alex smith retirement video Worth checking out. Because i don't know of audio only does it justice it's quite good and It was neat seeing them in running around in the backyard with his kids. Which i'm sure was the first thing in his mind when he was dealing with this whole thing. We'll ever be able to do that. And he actually shows it in the video still a bit of a limp there. I got thinking to myself. I don't know if that guy was necessarily You know fully one hundred percent because Not that he was ever a mobile quarterback to start with but it was in was a bit of a hitch in the old stride but hey he's got a long life in front of them and I wish him nothing but joy and success and lock while done man well done And and the you know the interesting that comes out today to this guy you know talked about this great career that he had and of course the story being you know overcoming unbelievable odds unbelievable odds And then patrick marlowe right. I think of him today We spoke with him yesterday on the show. But i but. I think of him. And what an what an accomplishment that is for for this guy to win are playing seventeen. Hundred plus games to beat gordie howe. Yup and his story's pretty cool you know when when he talks about it okay. Let's hear from patrick. We all know what we think. It's amazing and He he he really points out how He would never ever been able to do anything like that if it wasn't for his kids and his wife in the thing and it's great you know a lot of guys who go to the coaching deal The parents drive me to practice. And all his which is which is part of it for sure but but i really got a sense of. This guys was talking more about family than he was about. Actually playing games you know. The comeback story was all over the nhl last night in vancouver canucks are back and they took on the toronto maple leafs and they just come off. Twenty four day layoff in which the almost the entire team like. Every single player is sick. Some of them taking iv's to get through co vid and so now they're all lined up gas with nineteen games thirty two days after this twenty four day layoff. This is almost i mean. It is unfair to ask them. But that's if you want to continue competing in this season there's not much choice so right in the first game they gotta take on the best team in the north maybe one of the best teams in the league in the toronto maple leafs though their goaltending his sketchy. I'll say that but there. They looked exhausted. They were out-skated. They were out chanced and yet somehow. Some way connects rallied from two goals. Down to beat the leafs three two in overtime boho vat scoring in ot and other was kind of a neat comeback story as well not exactly your standard regular season win. That's pretty special. When so many guys were so sick with the With the kobe situation. Kind of a rudy story right. Even if even if it's only for one game. I don't i'm just looking at the standings They've got they're not making. Yeah got thirty seven points right so whenever i read that it was like what what what what what do you mean. What are they coming back here with. What so that that's kinda cool that they're just looking at that one game saying man. Oh man talk about you. Know on a day here stephen. The theme is overcoming adversity. Pretty cool. Because when i looked i went. Well there's no story here they're not gonna make the freaking playoffs. Got no shot therefore four games in hand on montreal the team. They're trying to catch if they were to miraculously went off for those games. Now they'd suddenly be just two points back of the montreal canadians. Get all eight of those points and you might have a discussion on i just. I just don't expect that to happen. That's all right but who knows stevie sports. His forces had miraculous stories. Yup and good for them all right. Let's take a time out of the program when we come back We got a bunch of other stuff. Max domi He is now the latest to be in john. Zarrella 's doghouse and we have We have another suspension in the nhl. This for a pretty nasty neon knee hit in the aforementioned connects leafs game That happened on sunday nights. We'll talk about those things and much more. After these words trucks and minivans cost less to ensure than small cars you got a better deal on home insurance if you have good credit the biggest insurance brokers are owned by insurance companies. I'm josh make sure you choose a broker as your best interests in mind. All insurance ontario is independent family owned and has your back. Text me at six one. Three eight six zero six zero zero eight to get on. Rt all insurance ontario. Your modern boutique broker. Y'all know jim. K ford as being an awesome auto dealership in town but they're also a full service commercial and fleet dealership. 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It's the spring into wind giveaway at popeye's online orders dot com when projects sports. And whatever we've got a suspension in the nhl. The connects alex at a hearing today for his knee on knee. Hit on. toronto's zach. Hyman been just really good for the leafs this year. Now he is that secondary scoring that you always look for in any team. And he's a buzzsaw he drives a and he's had a terrific season and He got taken out by adler with a knee on knee. Hit and Ettler is now just a moment ago. Been suspended two games for that. You've seen the video. What did you think of that. it's way up there. it's way up there. As as you know the the most undignified freaking move you could ever pull off in hockey. You know to intentionally put your knee on another guy's knee and here's why steve. It always results in huge injury right and always results. You know they have this intent to injure thing maybe it may you know. May you get away with the cross. Check right you see it can. It can look bad. But you're gonna while it was just in the heat in the heat of the moment and this isn't the first time i've done this. I think it was a world hockey championship where he just cleaned out. Eric stall in the same fashion when stalls playing for team canada and adler was with team sweden and I thought it was an even worse. One this one here. Hyman is at least making a cut moved to the middle. So he's changed his angle whereas stalwart gis. He didn't change his angle at all is right in the middle of the ice surface and An ebola just came in and he was lucky. He didn't have a serious injury but he writes. Hurt on the play and Anyway so my point is not atlas. I go around with this kind of thing. Yeah and that. he's lucky. Only got two games right. There's always that that argument that the guy the guy who puts the hit on the guy right should be out as long as the guy is who gets injured right. And i don't mind that you know i don't mind so you know other other stuff other suspenseful stuff shit happens right hitting from behind right. Sometimes it wants be innocent but the guy loses his footing and goes face first and the head snaps back. They gotta suspend that. But i don't think it's as lethal as what that guy did you know sticking your knee out onto the other guy's knee knowing that's what you're trying to do. I don't know if i don't know if it was a reaction or if he intentionally did it or not. I'm kind of torn on it. The only the only thing is the only saving thing is. It's not premeditated. Right no bozo. You're you sort of skews the pun knee jerk reaction to do it but it can result in you know. Recognize career right. Yep if i couldn't cannot address that that notion because you're not the first person i've heard talk about it. That whole thing of well he should be out. Edlow should be out for as long as hyman is out for toronto. The downside there is that you can really take advantage of that if the right circumstances came along like say the ottawa senators are taking on the toronto maple leafs maybe even in the playoffs nose and Say you've got austin matthews. Who loses his mind a little bit for a second and does something to austin watson that injures him lost watson is a fourth line player for the ottawa. Senators in a playoff series and I would suggest these sends would say all. That's a season ender austin. If that's gonna keep austin matthews out for the rest of the series under the you've gotta stay on as long as you're victim is yeah true. I mean there's kind of loopholes in all all the rules and regulations But there's certain amount of honor steve when it comes to sports. It's a nice thought. I just feel like very often guys will take advantage of it. It's you know you see diving in hockey. You see guys now anytime stick. Blade comes up over. somebody's waste. Snap their head back as all my god. He's just changed. Saad my face off with that even the stick blades. Come nowhere near him. So they're always looking for an edge. Unfortunately what's the most punishable thing in hockey. You know what what what is it. What's the dirtiest play the dirtiest play kicking. I guess well. Slew footing is a good one right. If you take a guy. Standing still spitting in a guy's face sped spitting Spearing a guy taking the blade of your stick sticking. That's one what is your most. What is in your opinion. What is the biggest foul in hockey icing right. i mean you can't be doing that stays true. You're gonna wreck guys career. I think spearing sparing. I think if you try and stab a guy with the blade stick. You should go away for a long time right. What do you think i'd go with kicking. it's at the end of the day. That's as with spearing it can. Actually you can actually cut a guy and And do serious damage right and so much intent. You know when you talk about the kneeing thing you can always have a discussion well. He changed his angler. He cut to the middle of the last second. I didn't want him to go for a breakaway and get by me. So there's still some mentality of that's hockey play to some degree. Even though it just reaction and it it ends up looking awful. You don't kick a guy unless it's totally intentional whether to stomp or whether it's a standard you know i kick this so much intent behind that and it's all ugly thank god you don't see it very often the kicking thing. Yeah true. it's true last thing in the hockey thing before we a break max. Domi is the latest in. John tortorella crosshairs. He's expected to be a healthy scratch. As we record this for the monday night game against the panthers domi was well. He's been moved around. The legal. little certainly montreal was glad to have him. Initially in the Alex kenya deal but he seemed to wear. It is welcome in montreal. They sent him to columbus for josh anderson. And hab fans love josh anderson big power ford domi as already Well he's found his way into john tortorella doghouse. The bottom line is if you're not willing to play to way hockey you're not going to be getting along with taurasi. Yeah here's here's the problem for taurasi call. Is that right larry. Is that right larry. I guess that's what i'm saying. Ahead on get the fuck outta here. Then says pretty good exchange between john tortorella and larry brooks from the new york post. But it's not my favorite john tortorella. Jimmy it is the hbo special back in. Twenty twelve when tortorella was Head coach of the new york rangers and the rangers had just played a bad first period in the playoffs and toward a relic toward the new. One fucking defend. I've seen fucking defend before and you're gonna do it here. That's how we're not going to our church. Jesus told us time we have to talk about. So if that's all out as far as competing against that team we will get tell tonight that we have two periods here so our best. Y'all but by we have your. That's it we're fucking doug. Pack it up this way i'd say so. Let's do we have forty minutes to go take time aaa. They are not his own our club. That's the biggest positive of our team is how hard we played so fucking store on struan island go shipping time. Okay so stepping up here everybody. How up and i tell you if you're not you're not gonna play a one in y'all this is a contest here. That's a good test for us where we are right now. What are the season start. Let's see what are against. We ready to go here. There's something wrong with john tortorella. You think absolutely absolutely yeah. He's got underlying issues man. Okay from somewhere from his childhood or as you know. I don't know what kind of hockey he played with. The did he play in. The league was a big nhl guy. I never played never play. So he's got he's got a problem. Okay it just don't you. Just don't do that. Steve in professional sports you know. He just randomly sit these guys. You know what i think. He's got a power power problems. Stevie because you know you hear from a lot of coaches and sports all the time when the team's going bad and they got to face the press and they'll they'll even get hammered with by the way you're superstar here your second you know your first liner ryan nugent-hopkins. Okay not performing very well What's your answer to that you know and you know a really good coach is right. We'll say gotta grind through it you know. Having some bad luck we knows potential. We know what he can do. Everybody knows what he can do. And we believe in them. You know we believe in them and you need to believe in your guys stevie in sports we all know that you have to have unconditional belief man in your players you do. We're all in it together and by that guy doing that. I think it's it's just the wrong deal on team. Sports here really is guilt. I think so. I think there's some wrong with the way better way you don't you don't wanna you. Don't wanna hack on these guys. Steve who are who are great players. Max does great player right. Really good player So i don't. I think there's some wrong with the thing is you can't go after everybody with the same game plan and And maybe he just thinks that that's the only way he can handle some of these skill guys who don't basically play the game the right way. The the defensive hockey is not as important to them as the offensive side and And that really rubs him the wrong way i think and that's always going to be a struggle a i mean it's all about keeping your job and it's all about being successful and nobody can be treated the same way. If he does that with one player it might backfire in his face with another player. So you've got you've got twenty three guys that year the caretaker off and they're all absolutely difference right probably break them in there like three or four categories but generally. They're all different and he's not a lunatic like he's not. He's not like abusing players per se. At least that. I can see Anything like the bill. Peters thing or mike babcock so it's hard to keep your job in the nhl if you look at the nhl coaching list right now. Half the league has been hired in the last two years half the league. It's a thirty one team. League in half of the guys have been hired here in the last hours. Yeah right so you're hired to be fired. You do what you have to do to keep your job and john tortorella. A not only keeps his jobs for considerable amount of time but He's right there among the act. I mean as far as active guy. He'd be right near the top of the list in games coached in the nhl. Right right I just don't think the or else or the ultimatum. Thing works in sports very well. I just don't think it. Does you know. I read a great story. about mike milbury James duffy put out a book called beauties yodok stories book guys and i this story when i read the mike bill. Maher make millbury team was going bad okay. There were all bad and he had them on the ice and he told them all to shot up and he started You know pointing singling out each guy. Okay separately and telling the guy what's wrong with them okay. So they're all standing on the ice and he and he would say Your brutal okay. You're minus eight. You're no good defensively. Okay and and so you're looking at this. Jesus managed to be embarrassing. But you know it's the big bad world fourth. And so what i'm gonna do is i'm going to skate for you. I'm gonna do two laps as fast as i can around the ice you right. I'm gonna what you gotta you gotta read it. You gotta pull the story up and then someone else right. You're you're your face offs okay. Your face off percentage is way down. Thirteen percent wins or some right. We want over fifty here okay. So i'm gonna escape for you. Okay any he. He skated for every single guy in the team. Every single guy in the team the most remarkable thing. I heard a longtime cool cool. Imagine what you feel about your coach. Then steve as opposed to tortorella. Rela screaming maniacally going crazy all the time. You know drawing attention to himself left right and center while mellberg that too. Well yeah but i just love that story. I lo- i love what he did. I love what he did. And i think i'd feel a lot better as a player that i would stepping onto the ice going. Okay i who knows what's going to happen tonight. If i give up the puck you know if i if i don't make a pass if i don't play the breakout right or something you know. Stick to the penalty kill plan. I might get benched and mike pence i. It just sounds like a not a very good way to deal with the team. But i'm not a fucking hockey coach either. don't well. humiliation is definitely something that's The can be effective as a consequence. You're not doing things the right way. And you get humiliated by way of either being benched or getting screamed out in front of your peers that can work in the short term but you will one hundred percent of the time lose. The player like that player will resent and hate you for the rest of his time. And maybe tortorella doesn't care about that stuff or the types of coaches that that You know push all the buttons. But i feel like is calm down a little bit for compared to where he was ten years ago. And he's a smart guy ever listened to in interviews He's when he's in the the standard postgame stuff eighty now. He doesn't give a toll very much. But if you get him in those feature interviews in the off season he he's really interesting to listen to. I mean the one thing about hockey player. Steve all athletes. I guess You know as they try hard. They try their hardest okay. They're putting out every single night. You know and. I told her forgets that a little bit. You know now. Fear if you're dealing with antonio brown okay That might be a little different where you could bench this guy okay right. He's he's an absolute distraction to the team notch on for practice all that shit. But you don't you don't see it very often in sports you you know not not very often in the nhl that a guys you know even around trade deadline over the they know they're on the block they want out. They've asked for trade. The whole relationships gone for shit. You know even that they still they still play their ass off. You know each night. So well max domi not a very happy camper these days. His dad on the other hand is and we'll tell you who his famous best he is. Bff coming up. After these words paiko is ottawa's home for authentic old school custom crafted. Neopolitan style pizza without all the fuss and expense of fine. 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Domi thing i all right okay. Give me the title okay. So you ever fat. He has put on some weight for sure. Looks like his eyebrows are under control again. Members pluck those like crazy. Sure sure that's when he was. Bff's with mark wahlberg the actor. Well now he seems to be best friends forever with tom brady so i make sense. Yeah of course it does long retired. Toronto maple leafs enforcer with the legend. Tom brady hanging out at this. They were at a major league soccer game in miami on sunday sunday afternoon. Schilling at the sunglasses going looking like they're best friends. I get it if i'm tie domi. Okay let's go hang out with him. Good okay. I don't get it if i'm tom brady but But it makes tom brady kind of cool. I guess i could be the mark. Wahlberg effect is mark. Wahlberg is also a tom brady friend. And so that may have been The third man in scenario that got these two together but this get out of here enjoy the evening and we shall talk in our next episode. They're goodnight everybody we'll see.

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Episode 388: Making Necessary Adjustments

The Hockey PDOcast

1:02:38 hr | 5 months ago

Episode 388: Making Necessary Adjustments

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People can't see since we don't really run the video for this podcast but the combination of your hair and my beard it makes for a mean mean combination package of of flow. Yeah like if we could find like those dragon. Ball z like earrings. And we'll fuse. Together and give brent burns or run for his money i feel ick. Maybe not there yet. Here's the bind for today's show. We're gonna tee it up so the listeners know what to expect we're gonna change it up a bit from the usual because usually i j- just pick one subject with my guest and deep dive in for an hour. I thought today you and i could have a bit of a bigger picture. Conversation about sort of game theory playing strategies you know kind of tapping into some of your expertise or some of your work in terms of blending video and data together and so we're pretty much just going to press record on a conversation you and i might regularly have off the podcast and just record it and put it on the video feed and hopefully listeners. Enjoyed it considering the feedback. I've gotten had you on the show. I imagine they will but yeah it's going to be a bit different because we're going to bounce around and talk about a variety of subjects some looking forward to it you want to start with the lease. It's obviously a very popular topic with whoever talks to me because obviously you know i spent three years. It leaves organization most recently as assistant coach with the marlies. And i. i still watch as many lease games. As as i can really. And it's been really exciting to see them maturing as a team and you know really implementing Their style of play and their their bid. A darn bit of a cold streak right now but i think this team is really is really promising. It's not the most ideal time to be pronounced this conversation because we initially started planning this right after their series against oilers where they completely shut them out. And we're going to talk about the defensive adjustments. They've made and how they're different team this year and then now by the time we got the finally recording by time people listen. They're going through their tougher. Stretch this season where they lost five six and especially in their in their most recent game i thought got back to some of the unfortunate tendencies. They displayed in the past. But i think the reason why i wanted to do this conversation with you beyond just the fact that you're familiar with them is. I do think there are at a really interesting spot this year. They're ninety-nine into their leading the north division even though they have these reasons struggles. they've lost twenty three differential. But you wouldn't know it based on the day to day coverage and national referendum. That seems to happen after each one of their games. But they're at this weird point organizationally. Where i do think that ultimately what they do this regular season beyond somehow completely flaming which they obviously wanted to north division and missing the playoffs. I think it really matters with this team. They could win every single game. And i think the reaching that sort of washington capitals before they finally won the copper tampa bay lightning before last year. Where it's like all right. Well let's have this conversation again after the postseason because we've gone on four years now or so of them winning a bunch of games but having nothing to show for it and trust me i completely get how dumb the incentive structure isn't nhl where you can play eighty two awesome games and then you have four to seven unfortunate. Winds in your season was deemed a failure. But that's where we are and it feels like with this team. That's certainly where we are eating. That's fair to say. Yeah and i remember when. I was back in toronto like i was chatting with. Do this about about something. I don't remember quite what i said. You know. I think as a team. We gotta be strong spiritually. And what i mean is you know like i. I'm a very left brained. like rational. Data oriented personnel is kyle. But but i think some somewhere in there. It's like you don't know your time is coming all you all you can do is get this team as good as possible and keep the window open and then just believe and how faith helping is going to happen like if you if you look through history which is actually What i've been doing for the past few months. They're like one team. That i found interesting was in york islanders. Because there were an expansion franchise and early seventies terrible for the first few years. They drafted extremely well. Which is they just took the best player available so they ended up getting you know. Then you pod. Van bryan trottier mike bossy stiffen pearson always guys but then you know before they go all the way nineteen eighty. They get upset by the rangers. Who were kind of under way. Down in nineteen seventy nine. So then expansion franchise didn't have a ton of pressure but you can see how you know before. Great teams rise. There's often at least one setback. And i think you know understanding history understanding teams made it in the past. Gives you more faith that you know you could be next. Does i'm always fascinated. How those teams navigate those bumps in the road though right like because we've seen plenty of examples over history of various specially skill teams right like high-octane offensive teams that were perceived to have defensive deficiencies. They lose early in the postseason after scoring a ton of goals and setting all sorts of records in the regular season and having all these highlight reel plays and then it's deemed that their style of play can't get down one when the postseason comes in win. Maybe the game tighten up the competition improves a little and sometimes those teams completely lose their way in the sense that they go away from what made them special in the first place homemade effective and they try to sort of Either diversify their portfolio or or sort of change the way they play and usually backfires. Because you're going away from what made you go in the first place and that's not a good strategy if anything you wanna do what you do well and then do it even better and lightning last year. We had a great example of a team that they made some changes. I thought overblown how greedy they got guys like you know. Basically good joe and blake. Cole certainly are greedy to an extent. But they're also just good hockey players. You can play in pretty much any situation and so they were kind of this. Flawless team certainly added some pieces on the margins but it would have been very easy for them to completely blow it up the summer prior after getting swept by the blue jackets and instead they stuck with their core and with his team i thought it was very telling how they approach this offseason right like some of the some of the moves were no brainers in the sense that it's like a local guy wants to come play for your team at a veteran minimum. Bargain like yeah. We're going to bring in. Wayne simmons and joe thornton of course bringing zach bogosian a go from berry. Tj brody. I thought it was pretty clear that phrase. it's clear that they wanted to have other dimensions. Game i guess or they wanted to be able to play in different settings beyond just winning six five or five four. Like you think that's fair to say it turned out like they wanted to bring in different types of players to maybe make the group a slight or well rounded one as opposed to just having sort of one player type enters going fully all in on that. Yeah and i think last year is a good example of a team that could play possession game but then also added some some four checking elements at the margins with good role. And and coleman book goes in as a guy who who was a for them under third pair but could surprisingly make some plays once in a while a and obviously. He's doing the same thing with toronto this year but i really do think there is something to having the thorns and the simmons around just because they're such. They grew up champ beliefs. They have that once again that spiritual belief that maybe something magical can happen. And it's easy to kind of underestimate that. But i think you know. It is helpful for a team to kind of build a narrative for itself. And say that you know. We're a team of destiny and we got to believe and this is kind of the opposite of the whole like analytics. Accident knows approach that i usually deal with. I think you know for a team to go all the way. I think there has to be that belief element and that element of like belonging or brotherhood. Or were were writing a story here. Let's get into the xs and os then because that is something we can sort of tangibly point to from our end at least right now right and we can point to as the difference and i think one of the most interesting trends to me. I don't want to act like they're this entirely different team. Because they're still fourth in the league in goals per game they're scoring power play goals the second hobby like they're still clearly a very potent group but Just in terms of the way they've been playing one thing. I did notice that at five one. Five in two thousand sixteen seventeen. They played at the fastest pace in the league that makes sense given their personnel twenty seventeen eighteen. They were fifth two thousand nineteen. They were i last year. They were fifth. Which are they might surprise. People considering all the complaints about gawk at the start of the season this year they're nineteenth in terms of five one five pace and that sort does match. What what. You're seeing in the sense that i think there certainly is the fact that they may be wanna play a little bit differently especially when it comes to defending leads. I think like you know historically. That's something they've struggled with. And maybe if you're just playing way back and forth that opens yourself up to some catastrophic blown leads leading games. I think they certainly both through their actions and just through conversations. I've had one to make sure that they can try to finish off games and lower stress environments but the clamps on teams. Kinda like the Do late when they have a elite and so just in terms of that and sort of getting the xs and os and and how. They've changed the way they're playing beyond just the new personnel but also having a full off season sheldon keefe As opposed to coming midseason trying to make all these changes like. It's pretty clear that i th i think. They are by design playing at least slightly differently than they have in the past couple of years with with relatively the same personnel. So so i think there's really three key elements to all the things that you're you're saying so first of all is is there. Play with the puck. And you know if you watch. The league stirred a very fluid style. They use the space for well. Very reminiscent of soviet hockey and there's expression to sheldon keefe uses and he. He calls a plane for control of the game. At which is pretty self explanatory. And i think if you watch the soviets in their heyday as like. That's what they did. Now they had the puck under sticks and you know they were dictating the pace of the game and you know do a lot of defending while playing offense essentially and you know what would you talk about the the pace of play a lot of the public analytics equates to shots four plus shots against yes and and i think the biggest reason why the pace has fallen off for the for the from purely shot volume point of view is because they actually have better control the game. So what they've been able to do is there. They refined their play with the puck. They're leading more passes. Kind of those small area passes or those rotations. They're making more than and they're doing a better job as opposed. Let's twelve months ago and what that does first of all is it will actually cut down on your own shots for. Because now you're looking for better shaath instead of going low to high pounding and then jumped. In a rebound. You're looking to really like a mid range shot. Where you're you're looking at grade across pass and you know not all those going to connect so actually your your success rate in your shootings going to go down a little bit but the shot that you do get they're going to be slightly better quality and you know you can see that qualitatively just by looking at the way that they play a really that possession style of play has been. I think it's it's being better understood by players. They're executing a little bit better and they have the puck. Wander six which means obviously if we have the puck. They they don't have the puck so it also it also lends itself a bit to the defensive metrics as well in the sense that if you have sustained offensive zone possessions where you are gonna probing and looking for better looks as opposed to just firing and in giving away possession. Chances are you're probably going to have a forty to fifty second shift in the offensive zone by the time the other team gets it. They're probably just trying to get the puck out and change and it's preventing russia's the other way because the guys are probably pretty gas themselves exactly so the trend that we're seeing actually tells me that they've been successful in playing control the game because you know they're they're they're shots. Attempt ratio is still pretty good. Expected to goals ratio is still pretty good but overall the paces down because the puck is under a stick more and they're they're dictating more. What's going on as opposed to plain running gun and almost out of control. Yeah which is fun. But i imagine also very stressful if you are have a a rooting interest or if you are in the organization i imagine you go up if you continue to play in that style it probably raises your blood pressure a little bit thinking our just a couple of russia's away from giving right back while i it's always exciting. It's always a little bit challenge for the blood pressure. But if you play this way it sets you up way. Better to counter the leisa mcdavid. Because simply put he doesn't get any puck and when when a high end offensive player has trouble getting pucks and his hand than zone When you see the defensive mistakes pile up that's when you see him loose faith in his game in his teammates were in in the game client and and you know if you're talking about. Why was toronto. So good at shinedown mcdavid. What's it's just that they. They played for control the game. They're able to do that. And because of that mcdavid can really get much going less. It was just an individual effort or one and done type. Play liberal uniquely suited to put a jake miles an justin hall. And i'm just in the sense that like it was pretty clear that they were both given the green light to aggressively gap also. We're had had a game plan in mind right. Like i'm always interested in terms of how the best defenders in the league defend off the rush especially as a game has a transition so much to you know. The best teams are generally Creating easier opportunities off the rush especially with these electric skaters. They can move up down as as david. Can you know the players the defenseman that typically have the most success on them obviously generally have a long recharge able to stick to them. Like a colton prego for example or notice. Like a mario ferraro doing this more recently against the nathan mackinnon but also a team effort in the sense that you know a lot of good skating defensemen could in theory gap op ed. No that they're going to be able to get back if the player burns them but they're either unwilling or they get beat and there's no one back there to help them understand. You know what i mean. It's like it's like there's so many moving parts there and everyone kind of needs to be in unison. That that it. It's easy to sort of individually identified. Just the defender where he's standing at the blue line but sort of the structure of everyone else in where they are. I think plays into that as well so the one the second element is to change that toronto has made the neutral zone. So i would say over. Half of the nhl teams maybe closer to third. They a one to two neutral zone for check which means the first ford cuts the ice in half the second ford tries to funnel the puck to the boards. The third is on the other side of the ice or in the middle kind of containing dot cross ice pass. These are up tight now. This that leaves in the marlies us for the previous years. And last year. I had some discussions with sheldon because e kind of He was really interested in how the islanders defendant and the islanders used the one one three and the one one three basically is is that you know the first four once again forces the play the one side the second ford pressures the puck but then the third ford instead of holding the mental the ice keys actually copying the ds at the blue light so it's slightly more passive and what that does is it actually allows you to create a three man wall at the blue line instead of having just both these gap and so what you're seeing this. The leases is if we have muslim and hall defending mcdavid while you're going to have a mckay of or a pair angle protecting the weak side of the ice and skating ford just in case that you know if both of these these get beat at least there's someone would speed skating four back to the net so that one three has been really effective for toronto and what they've sacrifice is inability to quit turnovers at the red line. But now what they've done is they've simply kind of delayed their defensive stan and they're able to shut the play down either at the blue line or inside. The zone wants to place force wide. I'm really interested in kind of ties into that. The cat and mouse game in today's game of As you mentioned. I think teams are trying to use the expected goals models but are aware of the fact that You know quality is important in the sense that if you have high skilled players out there you should be trying to get certain areas on the ice because it increases the likelihood that that that the puck go in right. You have a finite amount of opportunities to score a sixty minute game and you are doing yourself a disservice. If you're not actively seeking out certain regions than the ice. We see mike the tampa bay lightning. They have a very clear sort of shot profile in terms of where they're looking to get it and it's very high danger areas and and you know fascinating to me was watching them last postseason against and they went through two teams. That i'd say are probably the best that sort of just eliminating everything in front of the net and especially in the middle in the stars and the islanders and tampa bay was sort of uniquely suited to disrupt those defensive schemes or kind of challenge them more than most teams are. Because and i know you put out a video about this but they don't sort of devote one of their five attackers to just stand in front. The net right. There's constant offensive zone movement and an end so it's much tougher to sort of load up or just put. Your is there and prevent shots from happening there when everyone's moving you're sort of being stretched out and having to chase a little bit more and so that sort of that cat and mouse game of authors i events and sort of you know the offensive team having clear game plan of where they want to get the puck and where they wanna shoot from and especially the best defense of these in the league that sort of limit where they allow you to go and sorta strategically push you guide you to certain regions at sometimes in subtle ways but sometimes it obvious ways is so interesting to me and we don't i think talk about a nearly enough in terms of like mainstream to mainstream coverage because i do think it is slightly more difficult to identify than in basketball. Where you kinda show like a shot chart of where steph curry shooting prominent. It's much easier to see on a basis and to the third point the third element me of that explains why the least have a new wall this year. Is i think as an office of team. You have players who a i would say. Have a bias for action. So what i mean is that you know an awesome matthews and mitch. Barner will going to look for opportunities to attack. The puck even wondered defending. And i think as an offensive team. It's it's a little bit counter intuitive. Or it's may be counterproductive to players to be overly passive into zone. So you know one thing tampa you know if you if you watch their ozone rotation they're very fluid they're very good at gains in the middle of the ice. But then if you watched these coverage actually quite aggressive at pressuring the half hour pressuring you know under the goal line or rushing up to the point and the first thing that sheldon did when he took over the lease last. The last season is he. He made a week in defensive zone and made the team play more like the islanders in terms of know holding the middle of the ice and really collapsing and not pressuring too much at the point right there and i think as they've gone to their series against columbus. It felt like the players are a little bit handcuffed. Because they're asking to be very offensive when they have the puck but then when they didn't have the puck it seemed like they were uncomfortable. Just standing around. And once in a while would see like a martyr or matthews or a neil andrew like they would ressure and maybe step outside of the teams system with a game plan but be able to get a puck cutted these own sequence short and then go back on counter attacks the first thing that i noticed this year from from sheldon and and his team is that they went back to a more aggressive. These on setup were they're looking to pressure the wall and you know cut zone times short as opposed to you know barry trotz in the islanders. Were they're comfortable playing under structure because as a team they're also you know. Maybe maybe a little bit slower. Maybe a little bit less skilled but they play a more methodical way. That fits what their identity as a team and as players. So you know it works for them but for and for toronto. If if you're an attack minded team you know you like to see that manifest itself both in the ozone and in the diesel. And i think this year you know toronto's way more i think they're more true themselves and i think that's helped as well i've completely i've been doing a lot of sort of thinking about this in terms of how much my approach thinking about. The game has changed over the years compared to like when we started and the islanders are a team i mean. It's it's a bit easier this year because you know they have the results but also underlying results are significantly better but just watching them and kind of dissecting table little bit. I have like such a hole a different newfound appreciation. For how how. They're able to like repeatedly do the same thing over and over again to success. That makes sense. Like it's so tough. I think in today's game to consistently defend because one the players are are really skilled to. It's a lot tougher to lean on them and and three Just the way. The game is played basis played at and and sort of the rush chances that are traded back and forth. Like if you're defending constantly. Eventually there's going to be cracks and and something's going to leak through and you're gonna get exposed a little bit and what the islanders especially late in these games when they're up like i especially recently The game against the bruins the other day where it was like one wine and they were just like okay. We're not giving up anything at this point. And the bruins had one high danger attempting in the third period and overtime and they're gonna play it another sixty minutes and i don't think they would have given them anything and that ability to understand. Why people are generally skeptical. The reason we prefer quantity over quality is because it's a bigger sample and also it's hockey is kind of a random game but it's also more repeatable a of sort of proven that they are able to repeat this certain style of play and and that so Impressive and fascinating to me and that's something that have completely changed my to non over the past couple years while once again you know we talked about playing for control the game right so you can. There's different ways to take over a game whether it's by turning the pace up and goal for track need and hoping that your your shooters are going to be the difference makers or like the islanders you can turn the pace of the game way down and then almost like your opponents to make mistakes and actually if you wash the islanders. They're actually way better with the puck and they've been you know let's say you were four years ago so the these are you know like adam pelech ryan pool like those two guys are doing great work no dopson is establishing himself and you know they're completing passes like if you're a team that could complete passes i don't care like for the past are going and how fast you're playing like like you're going to do well right if but how much of that do you think is a skill thing system thing in terms of like i know you've talked about how The vegas golden knights for example make life fair easy easy on their centers because you sort of like decrease responsibilities. You're like okay. You just need to be in like one or two places on the ice and this is what's going to happen you can sort of like Like an nfl fans of coordinator. In a way you can kind of like drop how that drive is going to go for those players. You can kind of like preplanned what to expect as it were just really tough to do in hockey because it's happening so fast and so many random things can happen but they constantly make it easier for their senators to do that. Like how much of that do you think for. The islanders simply simplifying yet are making it easier for them because it certainly seems like. You wouldn't compare the islanders players to the most skilled teams in the league and ceo. There's you know they have the more passing talent. And then they have skilled players are. We're not trying to diminish that. But it's clear that there's something more at play there beyond just the actual personnel. Yeah well it's it's a question of timing. It's a question of getting to the right spots consistently and it and once again it comes back to our members conversation. I had with ken. Hitchcock and i asked him. What is the first thing that you do. would you take over a team. Because as you remember he he's kind of well known for being almost taking a non playoff team and then immediately making them competitive or even you know playoff contenders and he said you know the most important thing that i try to establish is i try to create predictability for the players. Now now i think you know. Maybe you're methods may may differ. I think ken is more of an old school like she preaches. A very simple puck. Plays like avoiding the middle. You know making kind of these. The high success rate low-value plays just to kind of get the puck up ice. Which maybe it's a little bit different now. But but i think the idea about predictability and and i have faith in each other that they're gonna be in the right spots that's really important and you know that's what the islanders are doing now. Better than ever. And maybe that's a little bit where columbus has faltered. 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You'll get twenty five dollars off when you spend one hundred dollars for and they'll even toss in free shipping to sweeten the deal and get it. You reduce cost that's b. r. o. k. l. i n. e. n. dot com promo code hockey to get twenty five dollars off free shipping on orders. Over one hundred dollars. You wanna talk about darryl sutter. I'll give you the floor. Yeah i did. I just talked about Ken hitchcock being a return about artists and taking a lot of those underachieving teams into the playoffs. And beyond and i think darryl sutter th that's kind of what what he did in l. a. When he took over that team and then you know one a couple of cups. And i think he'll he looks to be on the same path with calgary. Now they've only played a handful of games. But you know they're they're shot. They're french was way up creating way more zone. Time in the offensive end. They're they're attacking that more often. Surprisingly even johnny goudreau looks to be a little bit revitalized. Even though you know they're essentially playing that same heavy dump and chase for check low to high pucks in that same game. That la played way back. When and that's kind of a bit of a darryl sutter trademark. I'm not worried about a guy like goodrow it. It seems counterintuitive because of his body type and that playing style. But when you say we're going to have the park more often in the zone that's something that guy good jobs we're looking at it being like all right. This is this is great. I mean he was having a nice bounceback season before it even under jeff ward because he was just to skill to be Underperforming the way he was last year. But yeah i. It's interesting. Because i think there is a bit of a misnomer in the sense that i think typically we would prefer a high khairi ray teams. Because it's it's been shown to lead to higher shot and gold generation that make sense you're not giving away the puck for no reason but in southern system it is. There is a reason behind it right like i. It's been fascinated him. Come in already in. Just three games albeit. We'll see if his last you can see all of those trademarks rate of like the the dump and jays but also the support sort of being much more intentional with what they're doing it's lead to better results. Obviously at i'm really curious to see if it can keep up. It's amazing that given limited practice time coming into pandemic season you can just have the same personnel. Get wildly different results but That's kind of seeing so far. I guess yeah and you know the the story that was that scott powering told me so. Scott was the development with the kings went when darryl sutter took over there and the that team was underachieving. Obviously they had the pieces that they had to go to the stanley cup. But for whatever reason it just wasn't clicking for them and then when darla came in what what. What scott was that. He basically told us team to play. Play fast by tough and play smart and that was like door no xs and os changes. He wasn't overloading them with instruction there were. And and that's because i think the previous coaches andy murray but basically the system was the same but they just needed a fresh voice. They just needed someone. That's going to kind of fire them up or get them playing you know instinctively and and that's what started did back then. I don't know if the process is same now with what the flames. But this could be one of the reasons why you're seeing immediate dividends because the approach is not focused explicit. You know i'm gonna tell you what to do. You gotta stand. It's more just implicitly. Player game a certain way. And then you know let the rest kind of flow and i think this is why it's actually. It's it's so difficult to pre scout in hockey like you know. Some people don't like to wear pre scout but if you put something better let me know because all use that but who doesn't like briscoe. What what scouts is like you know. Obviously you're gonna scalp before the game right if you scout after again escalate but technically post scouting is pre scout for the next game another game. There's always this words natty but the point is is that you know you look at what sutter having the flames do. And it's it's super predictable. They're they're gonna they're gonna use a strong side of the ice. Find the middle support. Get out his own. Got dump it in the four check one two then the second guy was gonna come in. Then these gonna pinch. Then they're going to go low to high through the net jumping a rebound and ground and pound you until either they score or you dump the puck out and then they regrouped start over again like really really simple gameplay okay so why is it that it's so difficult to immune kate that to your players so that they can be properly prepare against that and you know i thought about it for a long time and finally recently i kind of had this recall moment where i thought back to when i was a kid and i was really into watching like superhero movies or comic. Or you know you know. Admitted serious like superman. Batman spider man. Whatever and it's like you know. I i compare that. To how teams do their scout and the way that a typical nhl co two pre scout is like you know you show their breakouts. You show their fortunate. You show the neutral zone for check you shall bid of power play. Show bit a pk. Like it's very like oil and you're almost like going down a laundry list of items and a lot to now allow players. Don't really see the big picture behind it. And for me that you know i i always felt a little bit. Let down by that whole process. Because there's what you're really trying to do is you're trying to tell a story that you like. Were the superheroes. There's a super villain on the horizon. Which is the flames. And they're they're heavy dump and chase and darryl sutter is kind of like the magginis behind the bench and so then the question becomes like what's what's to their power right like. What did they draw their power front. Because once you can figure that out and once you can find a solution for that everything else kind of takes care of itself. And it's like you know when the superhero realizes that the the supervillain handle a certain type of chemical were can't like graham like you can't walk around them right because then they go crazy but like one little thing that you can do and then the rest like the rest of the puzzle falls into place. And like i've never seen a pro hockey coach. Look at a pre scout this way like almost like an epic battle of good versus evil. Or you know make a story out of it. But but i think that's the way it should be done especially this year when you're playing against the same five or sixteen all the time like how like. How much more can you say about a one to two like. There's there's only so much you can save before you go to sleep so so it's all about telling story. Now it's interesting because you know saying how the concept of dumping and chasing as your primary playing strategy does seem kind of counterintuitive to what analytically. We'd like to see by especially like expected goals models like love both teams at four very intensely but also players that do make sense right. You're keeping the puck as far away as possible in most cases from your own side of the ice. And you're also creating a lot of higher dangerous scoring opportunities on the instances that you do get in and create a quick turnover. We already seen it in these three games. Where the flames of had a a number of their goals scored by simply just getting the pug below the goal line and causing a turnover of quick play. That led to a pass from behind the net out front. Easy tap right and so I think it's a really you need to have the personnel for it. Like if you have certain types of players you don't wanna be taking the puck off of their stick intentionally at all times but in certain cases it it does make sense now the ability to do it time and time again. I think the reason why it's difficult for a coach. Because you're asking your players to put in. Max effort right like for this to work as a viable strategy. Everyone needs to be getting in there and causing havoc and trying to get the puck back because otherwise if you're just dumping it in basically changing you're just giving the puck away to the other team and reaping the benefits of it so it's it's a difficult proposition for like longevity and by but in terms of coming in midseason with a new voice and being like okay. This is what we're going to play and then getting immediate results and being able to point to that as if we keep doing this what's happening. This is a pretty ideal set of a set of events for them. I think yeah. And and i think you know. The style of play is not necessarily modern or super creative but pro from the point of. I think it's going to get results. Just because they're playing bumper cars falling to net or taking a bunch of from the point or getting a bunch of rebounds they're lacking the puck into the goalies pads for those juic- high danger chances and lake. That's called digging to play. So i'm not surprised at all that they're gonna look really good in at least a shot metrics and actually i think that's a good segue to winnipeg because what is the opposite and what's been killing winnipeg. Is you know they have this. Great top six especially now with dubois in who can play both center wing. And who's i think at five on five a much more useful player than lady even though line as one of the best shooters the game. But it's so they have this amazing top six and then their defense is just not that good so i'll they've been able to kind of cope with that. Is you know they're gonna lose a shot that they're gonna lose the expected goals battle. They're going to hope to strike off of two on wants three on twos. Maybe an overtime you know what their high end. Forwards and score some goals. Power play but then aside from dad is just a lot of prevent defense hoping not connor. Hello bucks a lot of saves you know letting the other team into the zone but away from the slot and then just hope for the best but those things need to be mutually exclusive like did you have to to play that way offensively and create those situations like it. Seems like there's is a middle ground where you can take advantage of that skill and create the numbers game in your favor while also not being bad in their own zone as they are defensively. I know you palmer is takes issue with the public models. That have them where they are like. Let's let's let's let's be real here first off a coach saying that internally. They localize better than than we think they are. It's funny that the coach has never come out and publicly said that they actually look a lot worse than we think. They are But in this case they're like either the worst second worst team i think in an expected goals against at five on five dollars situations on natural stat. Trick there right between the connection the senators which obviously is not an ideal a place to be in defensively if internally. They are a bit better. Which i'm willing to believe that they are because we know that publicly expected goals models out there have there loopholes in their flaws but also You know the shots that are being recorded. For example i think are are wildly off compared to what's actually happening functionally if they are better. They're going from mike. The thirtieth best defensive team to the twenty fifth defensive best. It's not like they're going to have this model. It's going to have them as as a high end defensive team so for someone to take issue with that. I think it's clear on what he's doing. He's defending his team. Which is funny. Because they can't defend themselves but this conversation for me is a fascinating one. Because i do think there's a lot of nuance but at the malaysia's boils down to people. Yelling at each other and saying analytics is useless. Because it's actually off by this small margin where i do think for the most part. It tells us a pretty good story of of especially on the extreme cases of a team. That's really good or really bad. And i just even watching these games like you're watching the jets games. Is there any argument that they like. They're horrible defensively constantly gets left out to dry. It's like he makes an above average number of saves because he's really good and he won the vezina. But don't tell me that that's good defense like it's not. Yeah and and. I think there's a strange kind of trade off when when you're coaching because i think if you're smart coach or aware of what your team is good and bad at and i think every nhl coaches you know is a smart person and able to recognize the weaknesses. So then you know. There's two ways you can go about. You can either completely run away and by to hide your weaknesses and paper over it as as as best you can or you can kind of find you know ways to use your strength to cover weaknesses or even you know doubling down on your weaknesses. So that is less of an issue so so let me. Let me give you a few examples. Okay so we know that winnipeg has lost a lot of their top these in the past few years so buffalo gone troupe has gone myers is not the greatest the best player ever but he played her while he's gone bench. Rod has gone on salt worth. Toby instruments gone so they basically turned over their entire decor. And i would say the new guys aren't as good as he all geist and so what they did is if you look at korea schneider's tracking the most board biased team in the league at two having affords carry the puck out of the zone. So town'd affords okay. Well the aren't as good now so you're going to do more of the work and obviously at some point you know. Even though the four their strength the whole thing is going to break apart because now you're asking them to double dip and do more than they should right. And i think that hurts them. The second thing is now is that you know. They're they're looking to be very passive and neutral zone so they play a one three and it's really easy to get in the zone against him because they just don't wanna get beat for touchdown right away. So they're gonna give you. You know five yards ten yards whatever and then the third thing is in zone now. They're like were more passive than neutral zone. So let's be more aggressive inside the diesel. And so then you see a lot of chasing and then you see a lot of like you know last night. I was watching them against montreal. Montreal and propose score so so it's like it leads so that was by design palmer drew that went up in any case. It just leads like a lot of disjointed stuff going on. And i wrote an article on my newsletter while back that got a lot of people winnipeg fired up and i'm just like if i were four playing for the jets like like i to be. You know not quite real with this right now because the they don't do anything they don't help me on breakouts they don't help me and transition to sprint the weak side and to create options in the ozone standing at the point and they're drilling shot and chimpanzees. I gotta backcheck like it's just it's just not a very pleasant situation whereas me no. So you have these these who are not good especially not good at identifying threats in your own zone. So why don't you play more aggressive having pence a little bit more like i would much rather logan steadily pinch down in the ozone at the half wall like like on darryl sutter coached team instead of logan's backing off and then trying to play these coverage. So it's like you know some teams. Were exactly like calgary. There'd be more aggressive so that they wanna cut down under zone time. Don't want cut down on their shots against whereas winnipeg it's like they recognize their weakness but then just of like about it. The wrong way reminds me of like remember when my johnston was running the the penguins and then they were struggling. So bad. then like sullivan took over and significantly better results with pretty much. The same players even though the personnel didn't change that much and part of their issue at the start of that season. Was you just watch the tape. And you'd see like every single time crosby. Malkin would just have to go back deep in their own zone. Retrieve the puck and then have to make their way up the ice and do everything and a lot of times. They get stopped because you have to pass a lot of bodies and a lot of traffic and it's not a very sustainable way. You'd much rather be getting them. The puck in space quickly and transition. Mike sullivan and implemented this renown system. Let's play fast rather than skating fast. Where you're constantly moving. The puck up the ice and got significantly better results. And i do see that bill with the jets to Like obviously the talent has eroded over time if you compare the year. They may the western conference final. The ones expecting those results where they analytic starling and everyone loved them in terms of underlying metrics. But i do think they're. They're going about it the wrong way in terms of what they're trying to accomplish and how they're trying to cover those flaws because a lot of it is they're just not allowing those defensemen to to do anything and i. It seems like that's not an ideal way to play as as yellow straight speaking of defenseman. Not not be allowed to do anything you know. We all know we. We don't need to go further than rasping. lean in buffalo. Yeah that's sad. I did a full by gas on the buffalo sabres. I don't know if i want to talk about that. But but really if we're talking about how to put players in there in in place this exceed or you know playing to their strength and it's exactly that like if if you have a player who's used to being offensive and having the puck and stuff like that and who's not too good at defending you can either tell them to get better at defending or can tell them to get better at attacking so that they have to the fan less and generally speaking when you get to such a high level. It's difficult to really make progress on on your weaknesses. Because they're always going to be a weaknesses so then it's probably a better bed to double down on your strength on your identity as a player and focus on that like know asked why i think a lot of young defenseman of get through the wringer because you know their whole lives day. Their coaches kind of let them go and and then all of a sudden they get to a level against players who are better than they are and then they gotta change games so a lot of guys survived that just because not only. Are you playing against tougher. Competition but also. Now you're finding yourself you're fighting. Your own is thanks for your second guessing yourself. I guess you're not to stick with the jets but did bug me was mark. Shaffi was asked about it was one of my biggest pet peeves is when media. Reporter goes to a player nine. Exactly what they're gonna say and basically like tricks them into being like so those analytics and then they get the sound bite. They're hoping for which is the players saying analytics are stupid and then people just run the within a buick see. Even the players think it's stupid. I thought it was interesting that safely. Who does seem by all accounts. It'd be like a massive hockey nerd was saying like bad. Rather just watch the games which i completely agree with by the way. I've totally come around on. I think i watch an insane amount of tape these days because there's so much stuff that happens that i'm really curious like i look at the numbers and then on my car. That's interesting trend. And then i just go back and just watch either that player shifts so that teams games on an instead hockey and i'm like why is this happening and i think that's the the sweet spot of blending these things right where we look at sort of like these macro trends of either y team's performing a certain way or why players struggling doing growl and then you actually look at the tape to try to figure it out as opposed to just exclusively using one of them because it it's it's impossible. You're you're video coach. And and now you break down a ton of tape and work with players and stuff like there's a certain number of hours in the day and it's impossible to watch every single player and every single game it's just not humanly possible and so for that to be your strategy at debase all your opinions off of what you see on tape. It seems like not a very sustainable formula for analysis. Yeah well you know regardless of what she says know. I'll give you an idea of how. I work with players. Because that's how. I would work with march. I flee you know not necessarily on the analyst part of the game but just to break down his own game and to kind of show on the way to get better and and also to kind of keep playing strength so you know. I don't use a ton of what you would call the core see stats with my players. but what i do work with is a lot with puck touches so the way that that we do this is obviously you know you can have the puck in any of the three zones ozone d zone neutral zone. You can have the inside or outside of the dots and you know the simplest breakdown. I could offer a player. Is you have a certain success rate when making plays in all these areas. So if you think about a guy like zach hyman you know he makes a lot of outside the dots touches in the ozone because he he's looking at the puck down ice he's looking at win battles now. Low cycle the puck and then eventually funnel to the net. Raza golic mark nicely. Well if he's looking to play off the rushed. And i would care about his ability to get into the middle on the breakout or in transition or in the ozone so for him. It's like how many touches is getting total. But then how many touches is it. Inside versus outside and how successful versus. How many fail place. So you know it's not the type of analytics that were familiar with with the nfl's real time stats tracking working with individual players. This is how i would break down players offensive game. And i i suppose is a form of analytics because you know i've studied players such as jack us and alexi lafraniere on my newsletter and it stunning because you have these highly touted prospects come in and you know that you know in terms of their vision. Their hand skills are shooting skating their way above average but then they come in and initially. They struggle right. You know jack. Using apple cocco the top two picks two of the worst nhl players last. Why and the reason is because the bad coursey or the bad expect goals come from a lower success rates on touches because these offensive players are used to having. Let's say eighty percent success rate but as soon as you go down to sixty fifty forty than your entire game collapses and you know you're expected goals into the forties and thirties. So you know for for for an individual player that i work with a handful of guys every week. These are the things that we're talking about. And their core over expect to goals or their own goals and assists. The plus minus. That's going to take care of itself if you're able to get a lot of touches and good areas and have a high success rate. Yeah i think that's fair and certainly kind of looking for the explainers. Like i think a big one for me is the idea of either A specific player like them being bad defensively versus them performing poorly defensively right. I dang those are two entirely different concepts. I think it's very dangerous to mistake. One for the other and a great example is connor mcdavid last season versus season where he had atrocious defensive numbers and you look like all right. There's no reason why. Connor mcdavid should be bad defensively. But at some point you are what the number say your and this year. His numbers are significantly better. And it's very easy. You just look at the tape and you see like all right. Well certainly still attacking the brush his trademark style but especially in the minutes where he was playing with the esi poli. Rv and ran jin hopkins. They had a much more sort of structured ozone identity where they were getting the puck in keeping the puck on his stick as opposed to having to waste energy chasing and having these sustained offensive zone possessions. And then guys like we're doing the dirty work and forechecking like crazy and getting more opportunities and extending possessions and that's very easy thing. They're sort of see compared to last year where they're playing a very different way and you're getting wildly different results based on how you play and so for me. That's like a great sort of intersection between those two. They can kind of explain. Sort of what. The numbers are telling us. Because you can you can cut them any way you want to make them. Say whatever you want to say. It's up to us as an analyst or as a coach or a player to figure out why it's happening and how you can change optimize your performance and here's another area that i've been really interested in for for the past almost six months now but it's the history of the game so when i when i look at mcdavid playing with boy. Rv like i'm. I'm reminded of gretzky playing with another finnish winger because what happened in the eighties is like mcdavid. Gretzky would often fly zone where he'd often cheat for offense and actually in the season. It's yari curry playing in that center. Spot ryan and and they you know so so gretzky would leave zone early. Kerr we would make a stop. Defensively work with glenn anderson these and then find red skeeve for a stretch pass and then gretzky is gonna delay in the off in the neutral zone get the entry and then create a scoring chance so i actually find i a lot of were hockey's going it's we're hockey's been before a obviously i have a new book out called the hockey tactics retrospective and it's focused. The first part is focused on nine hundred seventy five through one thousand nine hundred eighty six and you know. You look at the soviets while that's what toronto's doing what the puck you look at calgary's one one three while now. It's like half the league wants to play a one one three you look at edmonton and gretzky plays a lot. Like mcdavid does now somewhat different because gretzky's more west and mcdavid. Obviously got that amazing north-south speed you look at how you know amp up persevered and added to their core and you know it was the same story for the islanders and you look at how good the dynasty wasn't late seventies so for me it's like a you know you you wanna know hockey's headed like you got to study were hockey's been and like i. I've been super into you. Know watching these games on youtube and and taking notes and taking clips and then you know writing about it. We'll do you wanna do a do some plugs here as we get out of your input bow on this conversation where it can people get that book where they what can they expect from it and And give us all those plugs. Yeah well. I mean if if you don't know me yet i think the best way to get me. A little bit is the follow me on twitter. So it's j. j. n. h. k. Y. and then once. 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Scheifele Suspension

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Scheifele Suspension

"Everybody just finished candle-soot once again. This is a combination cast. Or maybe elliott we should call it franken cast because it's done in a couple of pieces in a couple of different environments and then stitched together by our producer amel owned by the way. That's a snazzy right. There great job say. We shouldn't comment. We had no idea that always was sampling. Are three podcast commentary to music dude. He has so much sade if he wanted to. He could sewer both of our careers. Now this is what i think it is. Well yes i mean. There's no question about that. We could get burned very badly but almost like we gotta do these. Because i got to stay up all night editing and i wanna make sure it sounds good now. I know that's total. Bs and all he's doing is seeing what music you can play to amilton that. Somebody's when he hears us talking. He hears pieces of music under phrases. Which i really liked the sound of. I can appreciate that. I was good stuff when you first played that for me. I laughed off. I thought it was good. Okay a couple of things serious time. Okay mark safely. Four-game game suspension. The hit on. Jake evans the charge. The injury no history. But he's gone for four games. Your initial thought on all of this because it became listen as we all know it became a firestorm on twitter. It dominated conversation. Everybody had an opinion on it. No one sat on the fence. No one saw any gray area. How did you see it. I have to say the suspension was much more stiff stern than i was expecting. It's a very very i had to. I thought maybe three. It's a very very stiff and stern suspension. This is an absolute punishment you know when the nhl players safety tweeted out that it was going to be a hearing and not in person. So i tweeted out so everybody understands that that means a maximum five games. People were angry. They're like one joke not serious enough. I completely disagree. I think a four-game suspension in the play offs. Especially for a guy who had no history. Even though evans was i think that is a very very stiff suspension. Like if people say that they want to see the department of player safety handout harsh harsh penalties that to me is a harsh harsh penalties. I thought it might be three k. We got for the. It's contentious jeff my senses. There's three groups of people. There's the people who say throw the book at him even though he has no history. I think that's a brutal hit. The player was badly hurt. You re put you so the second group. And i think there's a lot of people in this group their former players or are there you know guys who played recently or people who've been around the game recently and their opinion is ten to twenty thirty years ago. That play was okay. It's not okay anymore. My feelings on that have changed. Gotta get that out of the and the third group is. He's trying to prevent a goal. And jake evans should be looking. That's three groups of people that i think exists out there. Do you think i'm missing. Anyone know whether there might be one one more group that sees this as two very specific teachable moments. And i don't even know if one is teachable. And i want to get to that in a couple of seconds here but you can look at this and say. There's there's actually two mistakes here one the hit and to the person putting himself in a position to get rocked and notices very distasteful for no. Cut you off there. Because i've been thinking about this all day. And i think i have a way to properly phrase this because i think there's a big difference between blaming the victim and saying could something have been done to avoid this and the best answer i got today was former former. Nhl player who now coaches kids and he said. I can think that mark safely was wrong here. But i can also say to the young kids. I coach that when you come out from behind the net in that situation you should have your head up. He said both things can be true. And this is a guy who played think he retired around two thousand ten. He said when i played that was okay and i had no problem with that being okay now. I don't think it's okay because the game is too fast and anybody with the lack of interference. And i know people complain. There's always interference. There's much less but with the speed of the players in the equipment they wear. He said we can't have that anymore and he said i feel very strongly that i can say that mark safely's hit needs to be taken out of the game but jake evans also has to understand that when he comes around the net. He's got to have his head. That's where i'm at on this one. That is exactly my position. But i wanted to take it. One step further will probably go back and forth on various parts of this initial situation in playoffs. We talk a lot about players making sacrifices. We talk a lot about players blocking shots. We talk about hired hockey players. We talk about putting your body in harm's way in a consistent basis. There's a part of me that wonders and there's only one person that knows the answer to this elliott. But part of me wonders if jake evans knows all that because i think that he does like you. Don't get to the nhl without knowing that like you don't come from around the net lake that without knowing the potential for danger exists. I refuse to believe the players. Don't know that. I was born at night but i wasn't born last night. I wonder if and only jake evans can answer this. I wonder if at that moment jake evans looked at this and said i'm going to score this goal and if i get hit i might get freight train here so be it. That's a sacrifice. I'm willing to make because it's the playoffs and i want this goal. You know. I think that's a very interesting way of looking at it and maybe that's true. I can't answer that. I don't know either. I wonder just wonder like it. Sounds like he avoided the most serious injury here. Like i was surprised to hear he didn't go to the hospital. And i trust dr moulder from the montreal canadian sir. He's been around at this for a long time. He's very highly respected by the organization. The players so i believe in his judgment. I trust his judgment. I was shocked to hear the go to the hospital. But it sounds like the good news is that although evans has a concussion and i take those very seriously he avoided definitely the worst case scenario that we were all worried about. But it's funny. You say that because people who told me almost the exact one eighty that their question was jake. Evans is still a guy who's relatively new to the national hockey league. He did get hit last year. By jake muhsin but he's still new the nhl and what they wondered is that what has one player. This is a hall of famer said this to me. Sometimes he thinks that young players come up through hockey now. Don't understand how much the game changes in the playoffs. And you know. He said to me that that play from march safely he said. There's no way that happens in the regular season and it kind of goes to a point that him and i agree on the biggest change in the playoffs is from the players. I know people hammer the refereeing. But i think some of the same things we complain about about. Refereeing happened in the regular season as they do in the playoffs. I think in the plows. The biggest change is the players. they're meaner they're nastier. They will do things that they ought to pay attention to detail. They concentrate more and this famous sits to me. That never happens. In the regular season there is no way. Mark comes from two hundred feet away. Jake evans in the regular season. They say it is playoff. Play again this person said to be. He's in the camp of. That's okay thirty years ago. That's not okay now. There has to be a severe penalty for him but also he said the same thing he would say if his kids play. They're young they play. He said he's going to show them the video to say this play is wrong. But when you're coming out from behind the net like that you have to have your head up and i will say the vast majority of people. I spoke to have that opinion that this is a play. We need to get out because it's too dangerous. But you still have to be aware and as hitting decreases especially during the regular season. He said it's incumbent on players to recognize especially veterans to teach younger players. This look playoffs now. This is different and things are going to happen. That don't happen to the regular season. Here's why bring it up about did evans. Just say you know screw it. This is like a block shot. I'm putting my myself in harm's way. I'm putting myself in a risky position. I remember talking once with mark test. To and i asked the test do this is when there was a rash of hitting from behind penalties in the nhl and a lot of it was players are flashing the numbers of boards and And getting hit and it's really dangerous at still is and it you cringe when you see it when it goes wrong. It's awful. It's like it's pit of your stomach when you see it. And i said why do you guys do that. And he said what do you mean what what what do we do. What and i said. Why do you turn your numbers at the boards. Like whenever you have the puck in. Someone's around you turn your number at the boards. And he started laughing and he goes. It's easy he said. Ed one of two things is going to happen one. We're going to protect the puck and keep possession or two. We're going to draw penalty. It's that simple. And i said you're willing to sacrifice like a broken neck to protect the parker draw penalty and he said yeah like very matter of factly. Yeah of course. That's what we do and that goes to your point about playoffs and how the how players change. It's not just the person who hits but it's the person also who puts themselves in a dangerous position. And i don't know whether jake evans saw torres on williams i don't know if evans ever saw armstrong on koivu i don't know but i don't think you get to the nhl without knowing where the danger areas are no matter. What era of hockey even. If it's the latest air of hockey you grow up in. You know that when you're coming around the net even if you have a blind spot. There's a chance that someone's gonna be there for a hit maybe dropping down from the blue line. Now you don't think someone's screaming from one hundred eighty feet away. That's going to run right into you. But you know that there's a chance that you're really gonna get hit there and i kind of look at this because i don't know but i just wonder if players look at those situations and say this is my version of blocking shy. It's an interesting point just as my version. Put myself in harm's way because we need this goal in game one like we don't look at it as a sacrifice from the player. I i don't know. Only jake evans knows only jake those now. I do believe that. We are talking about a different outcome. Both in terms of what happens to evans. And what kind of suspension there might or might not be shy flea plays the puck or tries to i believe from what i hear in the hearing sharply was told we would have liked to have seen you. Try to play the puck. He changes the angle of his body once he realizes he has no play instead of stopping just carries right through basically what happens. It sounds like sharply says. I don't think i had to that time player. Safety watch the video big clear by making that decision. You decided you were going to hit them. And then you're responsible for whatever outcome there is but there's no doubt in my mind because i believe shave was told this in the hearing if he makes more of an effort to play the puck Even if he collides with evans the suspension is not for us. It becomes more incidental than deliberate a couple. More things about this too virus was injured. Complete fluke play. He goes out on a stretcher. Evans goes out on a stretcher. After that happens in game. Three of the islanders series brandon carlo. It was really scary looking at him. No attempt to injure bike cal clutterbuck at you checked him into the boards. Unfortunately this headway of the boards. It was a scary thing to watch as carlos struggled to get to his feet by it. Doesn't factor in suspensions or at least it shouldn't but i do wonder if the nhl looks at this and says that's too serious injuries. We've seen in a short period of time. This is not good for us. And how much that becomes a factor in everything in what sense in how games that are called or how suspensions are meted out to hear you say well at the end of the season there was wilson pinero right and then you have the scary situation with taveras and then you have the scary situation with evans. I think you can't help. But look at it and say we can't have this every week is should it. Be a factor in suspensions. Probably not is there a human element to it. Where does. Sometimes i want her. Well you know the phrase. I'm going to reach for here. Is a game getting too fast for it to be safe. That's why the people who i know felt very strongly that they had to punish safely for this. It was all about that. It was all about speed. You know twenty or thirty years ago. You wouldn't have been able to get that much of a head of steam to hit a. You'd be interfered with along the way someone would get. Somebody would have interfered with you and also the equipment wasn't the same i all. I've mentioned this before. Dave ellett is solution. Always was if you want to get rid of injuries. Get people playing in the equipment that everybody played within the eighties. Because then you felt much as the person you were hitting but the people who felt very strongly that this had to make an example of were all about you have to warn players. That speed is the enemy as much as they are. You can't allow the problem is the. Nhl puts the accent of their game on speed. Everything is fastest game on ice fast game on ice. And it's gone from being a contact sport to a collision sport where it is guys hitting lake billiard balls. When's the last time you saw someone rubbed out another player. It doesn't happen they collide. There's no more get angle get body. Rub its collision born. And i talked with us on hockey central. Like the difference and we might be you know parsing it too much but there still is a difference between body checking and hitting hitting is a real tactic. Body checking is separating player from to force a change of possession hitting as a tactic. And i don't know where that changed. I don't know where the game change from. Physical contact is body. Checks to physical contact is hits but somewhere along the way hitting became a tactic and not just the change possession but to punish and we all kind of went okay because we did know about the effects. Now we did. Was you know show them on. Highlights with goofy music behind it with guys going but ouango keep your head up but now here we are and it's gotten at times as you mentioned even accidentally like the corporate affairs that you mentioned. That's an accident but you talked to anyone who's on the ice at look how fast perry gets up enough speed to get past the varas and caused that injury and he's not even like considered a burner in the nhl data at all. It is remarkably fast. The last thing. I just want to say on this topic is i don't know if i've ever heard so. Many passionate arguments on behalf of those three positions. I mentioned the people who felt throw the book at him. The people who felt it was okay twenty years ago. But it's no longer okay. We have to stop it and the people felt he did nothing wrong. Like there was no arguing with any of them. They all agreed their position. And nobody's mind. Who's changing quick conversation but officiating in general shirt and i don't want to go through a call by calling. Oh they blow it and this is you know. Game management versus. Call the rule book. We've had all of that this season as well. Does it. not feel as if referees a kind of out to prove a point right now with all these panels and overtime. I've wondered about that because the triple overtime game with that where winnipeg knocked out edmonton. I was one of the people that night on the show. Who said that. I thought they lead way too much. Go and you know you look at some of the calls since then carolina nashville game six. There were one on each team. The colorado vegas one. I didn't like that one at all but there was a penalty in overtime. Rantanen at all. I hate those. I hate those at anytime. Heat that that stick checking said eight that call eight that call and then tampa carolina game three like. I thought the penalty on hamilton regulation. I didn't like it. And then they got the makeup in overtime and they scored on it. Which i thought was probably fair to carolina. I've wondered too. Are they saying okay. We'll do as you guys are whining about families. Here's your penalties and now we hate those even more. There's no win. Come with you like it just seems like it's more of a thing in these playoffs. We'll see goes before you get to your driveway. And maybe already thereafter that lengthy faith faithfully evans conversation. When you get a thought on each of the series so far. We'll start with that montreal. Winnipeg in as record this. We've only seen the one game and for those of you thought that montreal was gonna be coasting on fumes for game one and that was gonna be the tap in for the winnipeg jets not so fast montreal up one nothing in this series your thoughts first of all. I look at game. Seven of that toronto montreal series and i saw one team that believed it was gonna win and one team that hoped it was gonna win and montreal was the team that believed it was gonna win by the time they got there. The canadians were were winning this series. They can't beat us. We're gonna win. And i thought they would be spent for game one but no believe to me is such an amazing thing. It can change so quickly. But i i see a montreal team there. That believes it's going to win. Believe in their goalie they believe in their top four d. They have just enough firepower and they can check. You know. I remember bob gainey. Once vob wouldn't give a lot away. But i think when he fired key carboneau. I had a chance to talk to them about it and he said to me. We can't check. And i believe that you have to be able to check to be a good. Nhl team and this montreal team they can check you know. The da had one point against toronto. To know didn't do much offensively against toronto but they check toronto into submission. And i was thinking about that the other night and i just think that in the play offs. You have to know how to do that. And they can do it. And the offensive era of caufield Kenyan suzuki you can see it coming. These are all confident players. Who believe they can score. And i don't know if they can win it all this year. But they're on a ride right now where they say. We believe in our formula. We can do the things. That effort requires like competing in checking and weaken rightness. Now i look at winnipeg right now shifu suspended. Damigella got hurt stazzone. They seem confident is going to be able to play. But it's due time. They need him now. He is not enough of a difference maker this year k. It's a screwed up year. He got traded everything. Now it's year luke. Dubois time they need him to be a difference maker. Because this montreal team they believe by the way. I wanted to say one more thing about paul maurice. I know he got ripped today for saying need to do everything. Dander snap a goal from being scored sparta. The game was heavy heavy yet for sure betas clean. His player is getting destroyed. He's standing up for his player. I disagree with them. But i've got no problem with them and i understand what he's doing a hundred times out of one hundred. That is a coach blocking a shot. Right there of course pommery seem to any coach is going to do that. You're not gonna fire your guy under the bus. I completely understand that. That's him getting getting the way of the shot. Vegas and colorado. Here's my question to you and after two games Colorado is up two nothing although Those two periods yesterday. Vegas was very much in control. And that leads me to this question. When we talk about colorado it's mckinney in atlanta gog. it's renton in kale mccart at cetera. How comfortable are you putting grew our in that mix of key avalanche players that we should talk about. I think that's a great question because first of all when the president nominees came out this week i think he was the one guy who kinda got the seriously to it that people understood. Why flurry was there. And people understood why vasilevskiy was there by grube. Our despite the fact numbers were really good. The halibut fans were like what and the sorrows fans were like. What and you know. He's shown in the playoffs and especially showed in game number two why he deserves to be there. I think the part of the problem is is that if you look at the avalanches future you look at the the deal coming up for mckinnon you look at the deal coming up for landis cog you look at the deal coming up for a car. You kind of automatically assume that there's just no way the group our is going to be able to get his market value so he'll be gone right so i think that's part of the problem there. Jeff is that people just assume all well they're going to have to sacrifice grew hours. They can keep everybody else. And maybe that contributes to the fact that he doesn't get that same recognition. I see the first two games i mean. The first game was it was like the globetrotters man the second game. I thought vegas played really well and you know they got the power play in overtime. That was a very even game and vegas deserve to win. Grew our saved colorado in that game in the first minutes. I thought it was going to be another ten. Nothing game really. Yep and then vegas found their legs and got going and you know they lost in overtime. I mean do you see colorado losing four games out of five. No i don't. But i always i mean my whole life of always been told. You're you're never in trouble into you lose at home and vegas hasn't lost at home yet now. I don't is you sound like the golden knights. 'cause that's what they were saying after game number three of course but given the way the colorado was playing in the confidence with which they're playing and the way they're blue line is working and all this by the way we should mention is all without. Now's gadhri yes. And the way grew hours playing right now. They're the tv. Look at and you say okay. Everybody with all respect tampa and at times. Tampa looks like the globetrotters. As you mentioned. That's the team colorado's the team. They look so good right now. Let's see what the rest of the playoffs kadri. Second hearing i believe is friday and it would just be wild if we had a situation where his suspension didn't end until the semifinal because the avalanche just go through go right through the the vegas golden knights did st louis having lost game yet the perfect record six zero so far boston and the islanders yup interesting game on thursday. And i don't know what you do with this but you ask. Were is on television afterwards. What do you say when the guy that kept you in the game also cost you the game because varlamov was great but the actual was this be blunt at bad goal while he's also got a weird thing going where he's given up goals early in all four of a starts right. Yeah like three of them. I think it's within three minutes. The one tonight was in six minutes. But i think it was. It was the second or third shot. It's weird he's had trouble getting into games like always i. Defer to on goaltender calls right. Kelly played it for sixteen years. I didn't but i would think about going to sarokin. You mentioned that. The the one thing that kelly pointed out right away was how varlamov had his rates gate On the outside of the other post which got him away from his angle which got him right from playing that properly yup they. I don't know if that's enough to say well. Hey sore guy we're going to you know was very trotz. Would say the other russian. We know for sure. We're gonna have a russian in that. I just don't know what to do with it. Because just bluntly that can't go in. I think jeff flake if you take a look at carolina game three. What was the one card. That rod brind'amour's could pull. It was the goalie one card that he can pull. Oh peter maroshek and it's not necessarily a shot against the delicate vicks was. Yeah but the other thing too is like you've lost two guys. You don't have nita writer. You don't have tro check and fogel gets hurt game three. But you know you don't have. It's not like you can jolt your lineup. With a change down the lineup. The only way you can kind of jolt them is say. We're gonna switch goalies. And that's what i wonder if trotz looks at and says look down to one sarokin saved us once when we were in trouble against pittsburgh. Do we give ourselves the jolt by doing that here. You know i gotta say to rask. I was worried by what i saw. Raskin game number two just in terms of his body but he gets the extra day of rest. He was really good. Yes no maybe not worried anymore. I don't know we'll see. But i might just do it to give my team the jolt and also not have sarokin sit too long. That's very good to number ones essentially tampa carolina's fun and here's why no matter what point of the game it might be. And that's a big overtime win sebastian. Aho the heroic three two is the final series still tampa leads to to one. The great thing about this series is at any minute You could see either side. Throw the puck around again. We're saying globetrotters but why not throw the park around globetrotter style. Like the two one goal. The brayden point goal was a thing of beauty that men colorado have power play competition. It's just spectacular. It's just looked so nice. It's just gorgeous and yo- tampa does it. Carolina was terrifying with the tip. Pass in the neutral zone sebastian. Aho for the first of two on the night including the ot winner just. You're never that far away from seeing a play that makes you go like oh man that's awesome. That's what's great about this series right now. You'll the hockey's been really good. It's been excellent. The quality of play this year in the playoffs has been really good. Are you surprised. Considering what everybody's been through yes. And no i gotta say it's a good question jeff because in the play offs. I don't pay a lot of attention to other things. I really try to be dialed in and you know we're on every night. People expect a lot from us. And you know you always try and deliver. But i was reading about the celtics today. Because you know danny ings. Step down and brad. Stevens is going to move from coach to to manager and it was a big story so i was curious about it and you know age talked about the last year and how long scene and he was running out of steam and he was beginning to think. Okay i'm gonna make a change and he's not the only one a lot of people are like this and i got the impression reading about the celtics that you know. They felt there that once their players realized they couldn't beat the nets. they were like. Okay you know time to go home now. I don't know if that's right or that's wrong. But the impression was there and i think that happened in the nhl in the regular season this year where one some teams realized. They were out. I can't wait until this is over. Just stay healthy. Don't wanna get injured. Just get this over with and so a couple of things so in the playoffs. I wondered like montreal. Toronto montreal got down three two one. Would they fold and just say it's time to go home. And no they didn't they absolutely didn't and i'm not surprised because you want to win the stanley cup. And it's what you're there for but this is such an unusual and difficult year and we are seeing examples of it apparently in the nba in the nhl. Where i think that once you get down like the carolina tonight had every reason to lose that game. They were up two nothing. They did the worst thing you can do with tamp. They gave them power. Plays the lightning score. They get that call on hamilton. They kill it off and they went into overtime and there are three guys down okay. They had every excuse to say were done here. And they and great credit to them. I think the level of competition of the players. This year has especially in the playoffs. Maybe i shouldn't be surprised by. I'm obviously impressed and very respectful. It's been a remarkable. You mentioned the plays in great and the it's going to sound weird because we're dealing with or it's just eloquently talked about it. How no one's quitting in a season where we're given everyone many passes as possible. Take care of yourself do which you need if you feel. You don't wanna do this anymore. Don't do this anymore either as an individual or collectively no one's licking the envelope a maleness in. Nope no one's saying were done. It's been real good. Yup all rights with that will kick it off. And now you'll hear the very well produced part of the podcast. Welcome to thirty one thoughts. The podcast presented by the gmc. Sierra a four cast is over thanks for joining us once again on thirty. One thoughts of podcasts. Always great to have you aboard We will get to the toronto maple leafs here in a couple of moments and their collapse against montreal canadian's and what happened and what will happen next Leaf land in the meantime elliott a couple of bits of news. One congratulations buffalo sabres Winners of the draft lottery they will select first overall owen. Power university of michigan looks to be the guy but things happen and probably will happen between now and the draft Thoughts on what's happening with the sabres right now with the end of all this. You get a little bit of good news. They win the nhl lottery. But maybe the bigger story right now for the immediate future. Buffalo sabres is what's happening with jack eichel. Well i'll tell you this one of the things that was really interesting to me. was i. should say also talked about coaches and they talked about european coaches. That says to me. They've interviewed ricard. Bromberg previous podcast guest has in bergman interview by a couple of different teams or having some teams expressed interest in grundberg before. Yes i think. Buffalo was one of them when they hired. Ralph krueger k. But the thing. Kevin adams confirmed that they still are not comfortable with eagles process. He confirmed that the twelve week period is over which was ended. Last sunday may thirtieth and they're going to meet with eichel to talk about the next steps. Does it not interest you. Jeff that that meeting appears to be after the draft lottery is set in what way well now they know where. Everybody's sands now. The newer everybody stands and they hold the first overall draft pick which allows them certain luxuries. Is that what you're getting at here. Well i just think that before when you were talking about teams who are maybe out of the playoffs and you were talking about a first rounder. You knew it only conceptually right right now you know where everybody's actually picking Okay case i see what you're getting at so if you're doing a deal with let's say for sake of argument the new jersey devils you know that you looking at pick number four or if you're doing something with the los angeles kings you looking at pick number eight. That's what you're getting at. Yes that makes sense. Okay so that is. That is injury. But i don't think that anybody thought that if anything's going to happen cycle l- it would happen quickly or the conversations would happen quickly. Do to me. One of the interesting things about this is these sabres has spoken to the league about what their rights are and i do think that eichel. His agents spoken to the players association about what their rights are. My personal opinion is that whatever eichel decides to do it's going to be in conjunction with the next team. That acquires them. Okay so what. You're getting add. This is almost like a mulder. Scully thing wait a minute. Are you trying to say that. So what you're saying is essentially any team that's making a move for jiji. Goal has to be cool with his decision on how to handle this injury namely the surgery. Yes i do like. I'll tell you that in the aftermath of some of the stuff that we we've reported on. Michael i've had some teams a reach out to me to say. Is there anything else you know that hasn't been written and the answer is not really. I think i put everything out there. That i knew about so i think these teams are doing their research. I think they really want to understand what they're dealing with here. And it wouldn't surprise me at all if the sabers answer to this potentially is to punt the situation into another team i mean given your conversations with teams around the nhl. Those that would be interested in jack eichel because this is the type of procedure that i would imagine. Buffalo is not in the minority on teams. That are skeptical or at least cautious. About how much do you think this would limit the field for any type of jack eichel trade because again to reiterate what you just said any team getting him has to be cool with how he handles this injury. Yes how much does that. Limit the field. The think like if you're undecided say for sake of argument because it could be a fit the new york rangers. Do we know how the new york rangers feel about this. Ditto for the los angeles kings any team. That would be interested saint louis blues because this isn't done in the nhl. Do you have any type of idea about whether these teams are cool with it or not. I don't yet. I think they're uncertain. I think they're trying to do their research at what i suspect that all these teams are doing is a asking their doctors. Would they think and be asking their doctors to find out who's suggesting this and why it could work and how it could work all these players now like when to virus got hurt one of the things. We're all reporting wise. Any return is going to be in conjunction with toronto's medical team and to virus own medical team right. Because everybody knows now that it's not just the team it's also. The player has their own care. Connor mcdavid coming back from his knee. Injury the others were not sure about that path but they put their faith in mcdavid people. Sidney crosby coming back from his concussions did some things with a chiropractor s that a lot of medical professionals didn't like and i was very heavily criticized by some doctors for doing a story on that procedure and my reaction was look at sidney. Crosby believes in this. I don't care if you like it or not. It's a story. So i think what they're trying to do is get the lay of the land to figure out what exactly is going on here. I think the other thing is i think these teams are also asking if eichel get traded. Is he willing to bend to a new team because he's willing to wants to make a good impression with the new team like if the doctors say no we think you can do. This will say. Well it's a new team. So maybe i'll try to start the relationship on a different footing. It's clear that there's a clear lack of trust between savers right now. There's a lot of different variables here but that's why. I believe that the most likely outcome is yeah. Whoever acquires them plays a significant role in helping decide. What the next steps are. I wonder if this could happen and again. This is me talking. Nobody's telling me this. I wonder if this is a deal. That happened sooner. Rather than later for that reason. Well and i wondered too then considering like someone's going to take risk here. Yes we know this headed towards a deal. Someone is taking risk either. The buffalo sabres. They wait this thing out are taking risk or the team. That acquires jagai goal is taking risk. Does that then. In your estimation shrink the amount of assets you have to pay for jackal because now there's risk associated here. Sure he getting jack eichel but there's a huge but attached to this now. I think that that's all part of the negotiation. I do to me. The price for acl is determined by how many people are in it right always. Yeah you just need to to bid against each other for sure. I think in theory question. You're asking there is a good one. The other thing i'm wondering here is do the sabers allow teams to talk tikal about this. Will they open it up to say well first of all play tamper with anyway but sir i know in the nhl sir. The all probably tamper with him anyway. But you know this is going to say teams. Okay you have permission to talk to him about lightens talking about here right really quick. You have a quick thought or maybe just note it and move on but the buffalo sabres winning the draft lottery we talk about teams that need a shot in the arm after challenging seasons. Is there a bigger one than buffalo right now. Do you think they take power. You know your prospects. He seems to be consensus guy. And you know playing you know where he's playing right now like he seems to be the guy obviously but again. There are some teams. I know that there's a lot of teams that well that you eighteen opened up a lot of is as well like i think players like brand clark moved themselves up. There's a few mapping years. Like even though just got dinged the world championships. There's a few but the one. That's sort of been stem to stern here on on most of the charts is on power. Okay so i agree with you. It sounds to me like he's the guy the one thing that makes me crazy is when people say the savers already have a lot of defenseman like who cares. Oh my god drive the best player and deal with at all. I've always told you that. The example that i always come back to his chris pronger example at his draft year when he spoke to san jose. And they said well you know. We're not going to draft you. We've already got you know wrath rathjen ragnarsson. We don't need another big defense. Just passed up from the best defenseman the generation. Let's just go galaxy this. Someone said to me you have to stop seeing galaxy bring you. It's your new favorite saying. Stop singing the phrase galaxy brain but that would be galaxy. Yes so far on the podcast. You failed at that. And congratulations by the way to seattle will end up selecting Second overall so There'll be big winners in this one as well more and we should get what we will. We'll get san costantino. Here are Li draft analyst. It's worse than on to talk about some of the players and what this all means in advance of the nhl draft names that we're hearing out there for teams that are eliminated. How much rate now should we be paying attention to these saint louis blues elliott's i think a lot because i think they've got a general manager who's not afraid. We talked about this a couple of weeks ago. I think that you know he'll be a guy that we'll be looking to do some things you know another name. I'm starting to hear a bit more as vince. Stein don was injured unable to play during the play offs. I think they were points during the season. Where don was available and i think there were times where people thought something was going to happen but i do believe the blues are looking at that right now and i think some teams are interested. So that's one name. I'd wanna look at but i just think the doug armstrong is generally a pretty fearless guy and he will be unafraid to do what he thinks is right. Yeah i'm. I'm pretty sure that at various points to vince on himself thought that he was you know on the on the verge of being traded like home for home for christmas Where are you going after the break vince. I'm not sure. I'm probably pretty sure that various points vince on felt like this about About himself so that she talked about it before. Every time trades get mentioned was saint. Louis is named seems to be popping up so we shouldn't be too surprised at that. You have a quick thought on rick talk and having a second interview with the rangers. Well i think he's going to be a candidate in a few places. He's at a second interview with the rangers. Second interview interview with seattle and a second interview with columbus. I think it just shows that talk has a great reputation. People really respect them. People really like him. he's gonna end up somewhere. And i'm curious to see what happens with galant team. Canada gets back to. It's seems like it and galon very serious in new york. We'll see where that goes but talk. It has a hugely positive reputation around the league. You know he's he's got a lot of people have a lot of time for its truth and now we should park some time here to talk about the maple. A lot has been said a lot has been written. We've had a couple days to digest analyze. What's happened here from the players. Hear from dubus here from shannahan as we record this. What are your thoughts on. What we saw in the series were we heard from the players and management. And what's next. This question gives me a chance. Now to put my feet up for about fifteen minutes. Homeboy we go go. Cook a burr veggie burger. Make yourself a shirley temple. Quick little protein shake million noon. Free here we go. So let's okay. Let's take it one by one. Here in your estimation what happened in this series first of all congrats montreal and look. They won fair and square. No none of this all hundred percent marvelous job marvelous job by everybody on that team in that organization full credit to the haves and we'll talk about montreal when they go out this way but they haven't gone out. Toronto has what happened in that series up three to one so number one the to terrible starts in games five and six game five down three nothing game six down to nothing and game six. They could have been down ten. Nothing if it wasn't for campbell the same game seven as well. Well where normally a game seven all get to in his game seven is its own different story. I'll i'll get to game seven. Drop me no game. Seven is a different story. Game five down three. Nothing fought back out of a shift in overtime. I really thought toronto is going to win the series in game five overtime when we got there but they add to give away and the give it away to the two worst players to give it away to suzuki and caufield who who made it work game six. They were bad. They fought back to tie. It probably should have won in overtime and got game seven five minutes into that game. I didn't think there was any chance they were going to win. They were beaten that night before they hit the ice with twenty twenty hindsight game seven. That was montreal. Knowing it was going to win and toronto praying it was gonna find a way and when they talk about killer instinct. Shanahan kief dubus. That's the game to me. they're talking about. I don't think they're talking about game five even though they started poorly. I don't think there is much talking about game. Six even though they started poorly talking about game seven because they were never in it they were never in it. They you could tell. They thought they were going to lose and montreal thought that they were going to win. And here's the thing. I've said this many times. I think you bet on talent. I understand why they're keeping the big four or at least talking like they're going to i think trading monir is crazy. Show me a trade. You're going to win from arner and again people bring up okay. Tampa playoff series before they got embarrassed by columbus washington one series before they finally broke through. Yes they did to me. It's almost like it doesn't matter. They were still work considered failures. Who would never win. And you know. I think you bet on talent. That's the way. I'm always going to be now. What i think is going to happen. I think this. I think they are going to identify the kind of player that they need. And whether it's a goalie or a defenseman. I suspect it'll be a goal era de they already have a lot of forwards. Maybe it's a forward and they are going to target that player or those players and they are going to say. What do we have to do to get this player in. How can we make it work. I got a call this morning. We're taping this on thursday. I got a call this morning from someone told me that dubious was talking about some things around the deadline that he couldn't get done because it just didn't work. Well now you've got your ten percent summer cushion and everybody is going to be talking about making moves. And i said what are we talking about here and the guy goes to me. I'm not doing all of your work for you. You gotta do work here but what that says to me is. The dubious was looking at some things that he said. I can't do right now. And he's going to revisit them. I guess so what i think. We're talking about here. Is them identifying who they need and how they get them. And i don't necessarily believe they're going to split up their big four. I do think they're going to try to come back with it. But that doesn't mean that. Das can't find another bomb to drop. I think he's going to try to do something where he brings in a significant person who alters. No i'm thinking about. But i don't know who that guy is like when montreal traded for wa or colorado trade for wa they demanded mike. Keenan the deal right. Like who's that prick. Who's a very popular teammate. Who changes your attitude around you. And he was a good player. Who's that person who's goalie or who's that d. Or who's that forward that changes you in that way. Who's a good player. They're not just going to bring in the he's good in the room. Hey they don't flood the dressing room guy. they're not going to bring in that dude That's one thing. Went over the maple leafs. I think it's going to be a significant swing that they're going to try to make on that kind of a player that would be free agent or that would be trade. Could be either or that. Could be offer sheet off. Gotta get it out there. I have to check and see what toronto's offer sheets by the way. Those thresholds are gonna low this year. It's going to be interesting. But i know i i will say this that. I do think they're gonna look for the best possible player of what they don't have and how they bring them in so the question then becomes. How are you gonna fit said player in. If you're bringing back zach hyman. Why think that's one of the first questions is he's going to have a decision to make. I think people are the lineup. And say okay. They're not going to bring back frederik anderson and that money's gonna go to zakheim and that simple free each no because i think that i think is going to have to make a decision and that is how much is he willing to leave on the table. There's going to be teams out there. That want him and they know they're going to have to significantly outbid toronto. I don't profess to be in hymens head like we all know the story. I think he wants to be here. Of course now. I think it just comes down to how he feels a. They can't bid some of the other teams out there. That are gonna want them. How riskier the in the golden market. Do you think they've kicked tires before. Yeah again i think it comes down to or they look for a guy to play thirty games. They looking for to challenge the number one job. See to me. It feels like and again. I've made this point before. I generally don't make up my mind about a goaltender till i see one hundred games on each shooter has about two or three looks at our goalie and you start to get a book written About a goalies tendencies. But the regular season performance the playoff performance. Where as much as carry price dominated the headlines. Najat campbell was really good here. I wonder if the maple leafs think they have a legit number one guy the one that they were hoping for when they made the clifford deal and i think we talked about this on the podcast. Were clifford was the headline of the deal. They're bringing in some toughness. You wondered if in the back of their minds. they said didn't work in dallas wasn't going to work behind quick in la. We may have someone who can play at least some significant time for us if not challenge for number one spot. So i don't know i don't know throat. They're looking for a number one or just someone to plays. You mentioned thirty games for the team. Look i think for the most part this year. He did a really great job. You know the world funny place. It's not often if you make a mistake. It's it's winner. how you make it. And i think it's gonna come down to how dubus views that game seven goal gallagher as his series all strikes. I can like you see so often. It's an offensive zone turnover right at the offense a blue line here martyrs ticking off. It's got a chance. What a great skip terrify. Stalled to turn back the other way. Was it a bad play. That just happened to happen there or was it a bad play at happen there and i can't trust it won't happen there again to me. That's what that comes down to. So that's the gallagher goal. You're talking about the one nothing goal. So it's the martyr turnover at the haves blue line and it's a goal that every goal tender will tell you you gotta have and it's through the legs so psychologically the puck went through you not around. You know how that affects goaltenders. It's funny you mention that. Because jack campbell in his zoom call with though prompting about the goal at all brought it up early the biggest takeaway is just you know to win in the playoffs i gotta be dialed every game and I guess like one goal doesn't necessarily make the radio series but just trying to figure out how to eliminate that from a game and Just getting better. But overall i think it was a great learning last sin But i know it can be a lot better and i will be like you can tell he's hanging onto that goal now mind you. It's just a couple of days later. She understand you know why. It's still fresh in his memory but you know even a couple days later he a completely unprompted brings up that goal. The gallagher goal early. It's haunting him. Yeah and i understand that you know you're going to have to think about that all summer and the other thing too is like i've been there jeff. I know what it's like to make a big mistake on a big stage. You don't think about it for yourself. It's not a boat you if it's just you and a vacuum or whatever but you think about you look around at all your teammates and you think about holy smokes like i feel i let those guys down and they probably don't think that they're probably looking at their the own mistakes that they made or other things that they didn't do if you have any kind of care of teammates which jack campbell clearly does. That's all you think about you. Don't think about how it affects you. You think about how it affects the people around you and that's why it stings like the mistakes that only affect me. Those aren't the ones i care about. I can deal with it. I'm a big boy. I deal with the stuff where i make my coworkers. Look bad or my family is affected. Those are the ones that got you. It's not that he feels bad from self. He's dying inside. Because he says god dammit. That's first goal of game seven. I totally understand. I don't worry about that. I just the only thing i worry about is by the time next season starts is he going to be still obsessing about that or we're going to be moving another direction but i don't worry about that right now. I by the way you one thing i was when i was rambling there martyr. That's what i want to get here to like. Do you see a trade where they can win with him. I'm taking outset jones. Because i don't think he's signing here. Long-term i don't know what's available like there are players that you would trade for mitch. Monitor their available now. This is a podcast but we make up stuff. Don't limit yourself by who might be available. Let's just say if they actually wanted trademarks. Okay okay. you're not just waiting to see who's available you're going to other teams and you're saying we consider doing this. How do you feel about that So who are those guys. Young defensemen charlie mcevoy. Okay do you think you could get mcevoy from our. I don't think so. No i agree with you on that. I don't think. I don't think boston does that. Okay but you know what i think. That's a great example. Like that's the magnitude of what we're talking about and as much as china may want to entertain that there's no indication that anyone i'm just using bob. I'm not saying these conversation but just use it as part of the conversation. There's no indication in these teams. Wanna do that just to bring in martin. I think at least that you're making a mac. At least you're making a sensible arguments like i was. I was on radio in nashville nashville. Every thursday and they said that Some of the predators hockey fans are saying. Let's off or ryan ellison and viktor arvidsson for martyr and knowing to ellison arvidsson is thirty. Arvidsson closed at thirty th. That's not happening. Because i said david poile should be arrested if he gets if he gets that. But the thing about the marna situation. Let's flip it. Because for the first time in mitch mariners career. He did hear it during his contract. Negotiations like there was a groundswell of. Hey you're the local boy just signed with the maple leafs. What you've dreamed about blah blah blah blah blah blah blah but. It seems as if he's the pinata right. Now for maple leafs fans and you know. I was talking to someone this morning. Brought the point that you know if he would have taken less sustained toronto and sold the. I'm taking last to keep this team together. Because i want to be here at cetera et cetera et cetera. You wonder how much of a softer landing mitch monitor gets in a situation like this. But he didn't and like full credit to monitor his camp is agent. Everybody that's what the group is supposed to do. Maximize your compensation etc and we all get that. But with that comes expectation. Yep and if you can't sell the way my guy took less to try to make all of this work we just went for the number and you got it. That's great but now there's expectation on you and now in this situation there is failure. Andy can deal with failure. One of two ways you can grow you can wilt. You can swinger. You can hang. Take your pick. One of one of two things is going to happen. You're with mitch martyr. I know that zoom call. Things didn't go great and the feedback wasn't great and how it was received wasn't great and probably didn't do himself favors but the nerves are outside the skin on marna right now. I'm not suggesting that he's going to do this. But what a surprise you if martyrs said. I don't know if i wanna do this year. Because for the first time really he's getting it from everywhere elliott's over. I think this is a very very good conversation. You've brought up as a matter of fact. If i was anthony stuart and justin born i would say. Why don't you bring up questions this good when you do hockey central you bring out the best in me. And by the way everyone. That's carney for elliot. Patting himself on the back right there. Oh that's solely mike. I honestly think that that is a great question. Because i have thought about this so i'm very careful about the way i deal with social media during the playoffs i really try. Shut myself down and just concentrate because you're working every day and it's expected but it's tough to miss a lot of the reaction to what monir said the other day people are like. He's he doesn't sound like he really understands how poorly he played. Or he's blaming everything else. I don't see that. What i see is a guy who feels like. He's under siege. Yup they lose and the next day a story comes out that he selfishly refuses to move anywhere on the power play. Okay and you know. He calls that a lie. Yeah it's a complete lie. So that's like i said i deleted also show so i haven't seen anything sat or anything but Agent called me and told me about that. And i don't know who put that story out there but it's i mean just people trying to get their name out there in china made himself. I guess notable and it's It's unfortunate but that's the world we live in nowadays of people on social media trying to you know make Make someone else look bad and play any wrong tyres Played our planet. I care i just. Everyone wants to win here. Sits a complete lion and sucks stuff like that's being said but not surprised either at the same time so it's a complete lie though and i think everyone see again. Try and play any role. I helped his team win and trying to do it all year long and can't really do anything about it. Just let that story do whatever it wants and who cares you know then comes a thing that he went golfing. yes on tuesday afternoon and it gets thrown all over the internet. And he's like that's not true so you're under seeds like a. You saw what looked like during the series. He was cracking because he was so disappointed at the way it was going and he was fre. It's the same thing we thought it will campbell. He's seeing how he's letting down his teammates. He feels that anyway and he's cracking and then comes all this and you know i do want to talk about that story a little bit more in a second but so he's lashing out he's looking at this saying everybody's out to get me like don't they see how much i care about this. And don't they see how much i was struggling. Because i feel it slipping away and i felt responsible. So when monitor says what he says. I don't look at that as a guy who says who's trying to avoid blame. I see a guy who's lashing out. Because he feels he's getting picked apart. He's being defiant. he's trying to defend himself to me. Talk is cheap. It's all about how he comes back next year. The one thing. I completely agree with you about jeff. Is that all the contract stuff. It warps people's minds. They forget about it until they remember it right and they remember it at this time so yes i think i think. He has to stop worrying about endorsement deals. I think he has to stop worrying about white people. Think like there comes a phasing. Your life were. You've got to be kind of a prick you have to be nice to people and you have to treat people well but you have to say you know what i can only care about. What a limited amount of people think. I have to shot the rest of the world out. I have to cut down the amount of voices. Mitch monitors at that point. No more social media no more worrying about endorsements josh go out there and play play and also you have to simply say you have to get that mentality of. I'm polite but firm. I can be a nice person. I can treat people really well. He does a lot of private charitable stuff and he's very good at it but when he's on the ice and when the game starts i will kill you to win this game. And that's the mentality you have to have. And i think he has to commit himself to that mentality and i think he'll be fine now. I want to talk with the story a little bit so the story came out and i don't have any problem with the report. I think that if you someone you trust tells you that and you believe it. I've been in those shoes reporter before. If it's someone you trust you go with it. I reached out to monitor that day. It came out. I got called back from an intermediary denied it. Obviously he denied it so again. If you're the reporter and you believe your source you believe your source you have to deal with the follow but you believe your source and i don't like when reporters trash other reporters for whatever reason i think too often. Someone comes up with a story and other reporters just dump on that story because we can be jealous of each other sometime. I don't like that the thing that i looked at that report weirdly about. Why is the timing. Basically the maple leafs have just lost and it's a crushing defeat. And this story is getting out if i ran the organization. I would be outraged at that like i. Just don't like it when someone gets fired or somebody gets traded and all these things just start coming out and you trash someone on their way out. So i really try to avoid that and sometimes it's a really delicate dance because you know trying to explain why something may have happened and i always try to be careful jeff about how i frame it because the day i get fired or the day i quit. I don't want people coming out and saying these were all the terrible things elliott. Friedman did here. Because i think if you've got a problem you know say it to my face just you know i won't be source on any of it. I'll just come and say you'll see like i look at that story and i'm like somebody gave up that story. Somebody was the source for that story on the day that they lose and the organization is in its most pain like you heard shanahan. The first thing he did was he apologized to the fans. Before i t questions i just want to make a few points i wanna. I wanna talk directly to our fans. We understand the disappointment that everybody feels year in year out the support that we get from. You is so vitally important so appreciated by us in the team. In every year this year in particular with the restrictions that are going on on around the world What specifically here on -tario in toronto. We really wanted to be a beacon of happiness for you We wanna do that for you. Every year But certainly this year was even more important for the players. So starting with me and kyle dubus our management staff coaching staff and all of our players We take responsibility for disappointing. You let you down and not getting the job done. He spent like three four minutes talking to the fans to kick off his media. Ville he apologized the like they feel the same thing the fans do they like. We were so good this year and we didn't have to play tampa. We didn't have to play boston. Like they are thinking the exact same thing that you are and they lost so they're in pain and someone is the source for that like. If i was dubus i would be furious over that. Because now you've really create a problem because now martyrs thinking that somebody in the organization is out to get me Now i will say this and again. This is why i understand. You know the report. If i was given that information i would be like okay. I've got to try to confirm this. And if this is a big deal you've got to work on it. But i also try to look at it from other points of view like batman who benefits. Somebody gave that out to protect themselves. Monir is core cornerstone player. And he's going to be wondering who in this organization is out to get me. That's a problem. Yeah the last thing nine just went on for like twenty minutes so no no. This is no but that's true of. That's true of anybody in herrera's asian but for someone like michener. I don't know that right now for his good that he should be looking to try to find who the enemy is like to me. If you're the maple believe and you're committed to michener this team Michener taking the next step in his career. Mitch monir figuring out how to be a consistent playoff performer. If i'm the maple leafs organization all i wanna do is remove all the noise around marne all of it and just have him focused on being hockey players. I'm with you if i'm dube semi-annual in this organization livid i'm livid about this because don't you think it is goal number one for toronto and monir to get rid of all the sounds around him. Yes make no mistake about it. Going back to when he played for the von kings okay in the g. t. h. l. There's always been noise around. Monir yes everywhere. He's gone he's grown up in an to a certain point. Where like there's only so much you can take now is some of its self inflicted. Well of course why. I think that the team has to tell her. You've gotta shutdown that noise around you to everybody does. But this is what he's always grown up with. This has always been around him. That's why to your point trying to find out who you know. The enemy inside is is so detrimental for way needs to go as a player. you know. that's a very fair. That's a very fair point. I give he's gonna get anywhere in his career being a playoff performer. This chase for people to blame rightly or wrongly and this one. Listen if i'm mitch martyr. I'm pissed off to hussein this internally about me i get that and maybe this just comes with and we heard a lot of this in the exit interviews from the players zoom calls. He talked about you. Know the mental game and the mental barriers. And all of that. I think a lot of this is between the ears for everybody and that starts michener. I really do the history of the. Nhl is littered with skilled players at figured out the playoffs. Pick any era any team. That was successful. There was the guy whether it's is whether it's ovechkin whether it's whomever every successful team has quote unquote the guy. No one could figure it out figuring it out for toronto. let's smarter. I'm betting on them. Okay take us out is cubs. Refrain synth rock deal. That's been part of the toronto music scene. Since two thousand fifteen there single lady lake comes on june twenty fifth and was recently featured in the series finale of the canyons. Sitcom kim's convenience here with never enough is cubs. Reframe thoughts known a matt. Data is sad.

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Gerry Dee joins Ray and Darren

The Ray & Dregs Hockey Podcast

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Gerry Dee joins Ray and Darren

"From north beat podcast in partnership with tsn. Welcome to season. Two's episode twenty of the ranger. Eggs hockey podcast. And it is brought to you by our new ray and drinks title sponsor infiniti. You bet drives. We've got a couple of vehicles to check out through infinity. You can look at the eighty. That's the full size luxury suv. It's big it's bold it's powerful. We're talking about a four hundred horsepower. Five point six liter v eight engine power and luxury together under one roof or if you like some of those smaller check out the q. X fifty. It's the compact luxury. Suv with class. Leading leading cargo capacity. A two hundred and sixty eight horsepower. Turbo engine intelligent all wheel drive stylish design and luxury and performances together. It's versatility it's luxury at. It looks good in any setting. And right now you can get the q. 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The poll is going to continue here. But well into i think around five thousand voters wright fifty eight percent say the toronto maple leafs would win a seven game series head to head with the owners so obviously that leaves forty two percent in favor of the oil. So thank you to canadian club for our poll question of the week. Now dive into another episode of rain rigs brought you by infiniti. We've got canadian comedian. Jerry di coming up on the podcast. This guy is a piece of work. He's a funny dude and multifaceted to write you. And i have how many jobs i don't know i mean we do lots of things you know him though not like him. He's all over the place over and game show host and comic and tv show. He's a funny dude. He's funny do well. We can't play golf and ontario. Which obviously we'll talk to jerry about. But that's probably why he has time on a saturday morning to spend a half hour. Forty minutes with the likes of you. And i will also check in with quebec the latest from the gambling world. Cool that dot. Co check them out headlines. This week has always presented by the tim hortons. Nhl hockey challenge. It's in the tim hortons. Apres we both have it. You pick three players nightly for your shot at winning. Tim's reward points and i'm i'm infatuated by this even though sometimes i forget i do i do. I feel like if i wouldn't forget that i'd be way of headed away ahead of you in the game because shockingly to me prior to episode twenty. I pull out the history. And the tim hortons app just before i submit. Tonight's picks three picks. And i see that i've got one hundred points one hundred points. I got a fifty banger. The other day two guys score two of my three scored and that earn me. Fifteen fifty points automatically while what bothers me that that whole thing is i've got one hundred points to it bothers me. I mean how you know. There's a feature where you can use the scots pick to help you. Maybe i should be using it. How can i be tied with you. This is it's very disappointing. I know but it's it's the spirit of compete again in a world like in season one we were going to have. We had the big bet with with with the contest. Right which of course which of course you never paid up on. Well exactly how am i going to do that. I guess they say did you. Could you guys are too picky. You'd have to be some like freshwater bass or something like that or something along the y you know i just i just wanna slab of meat us. See what's going on the smoker this weekend. Also so as i as i recall. That's that's a lot of work for a you go to the butcher. Pick up the meat and throw it on the on the smoker right. All right well again. Check out the tim hortons. Nhl hockey challenge should download the tim hortons app and you give them as much fun as ran. I have one hundred points neck and neck. I'm looking forward episode. Twenty one when we check back when we do an abbreviated version of headlines. Because we're jammed up this week. We've got lots going on not to diminish the storylines around the national hockey league. But you know we've got another pod coming out probably in under a week less than a week episode twenty one so we'll dive back in the big news. The big story one of anyway seemed to generate more of a buzz was the wayne simmons. Alex editor fight earlier this week clearly. It was retribution. From simmons in toronto maple leafs for alex taking zakheim and which left zakheim and with a knee injury on the sidelines. A good news is he's making progress. He's getting healthier is getting better but old school hockey rears its ugly head when ettler and the leafs meet for the first time since they had and wayne simmons challenges alex adler to fight adler accepts. The challenge. probably begrudgingly. Because he's a non fighter. Is i fight in drops. The mitzpe they go at it. Semons understandably pummels alex adler but it was the reaction after the fact. That was most interesting to me. The people who came out and said the code is garbage. Wiser need to be a code. Why does this need to happen. Why does he need to fight. All of those things which i appreciate. I guess i'm a little surprised though. Ray at how motion will how emotional the reaction was. Do you think it as much to do with the fact that it's two canadian teams too big centers canadian centers vancouver vs toronto and so much media noise from both sides yes and also because there is no code. I've never been handed a copy of the code. I don't know what it is and you play in a long time by the way with some tough dudes. Yes you feel the code like there's a sense of what it is but there is no code there are no. There is no handbook and so the people that are arguing about it online and make lots of noise about it. They know even less about it than i do because they weren't there and they've never been there now. I understand the emotionality of the response. Ettler hit was bad and he got suspended and toronto's not happy because they lose zach hyman and their their guy is hurt so they're looking for retribution. If if the league doesn't want that to happen. The only way i can think it can happen is to make the suspension in her directly involved with the team that that incident happens. So of alexander gets two games or four games in a normal season. He would edward got two games. The next two games have been against somebody else at toronto doesn't get any any satisfaction from that the cannot slough would lose adler four games against chicago and pittsburgh or whoever it was if it's against toronto. Maybe that matters a little more. Because i cannot be more clear on this what i think. The code is what A player today thinks the code is a player on another team of today. Thinks the code is is all different. Yeah it's different because there is no written down of this has to happen. Do you think you should have skated away. Do you think alexander should have just said look. I'm not fighting. you don't need to fight you. i. I served my two game suspension buzz off. Yes but it's easy to say. Because i'm sitting here on my coach when you're in that moment you feel this unwritten code like you feel it again and so he probably felt well first of all he probably looked up and saw wayne simmons and went off for crying out not him. Yeah because simmons could really do a number on and to simmons credit. I think there was a point there where he kind of thought in the fight. I mean i could be wrong. But i thought in the fight simmons what that's enough and any stopped like he could've kept going and he did. He's clear he's fighting a guy that doesn't fight. I think ever felt. I have to take this fight. I i think it's wrong as i sit here as long retired blair but in the game. It's different it it just is. I wish i wish i could explain it. I wish i could explain it more clearly. But that's when you're in it. It's different than when you're viewing it from the perch which we do we. We all do it media in general. Of course the other thing that was a head scratcher me was the suggestion that okay well if there needs to be a fight than needs to be someone other than wayne simmons. It needs to be closer to alec sadler non fighter. Well i mean who does that. Is it like ilya mckay of like. Are we going to be happy. Just somebody some random. Toronto maple leaf fighting alexander in honor of of zakheim and that doesn't make any sense to me either. It doesn't and here's another reason why it doesn't because then people are going to look at wayne simmons and say. Why didn't you address this hunter percent and so what wayne supposed to go out and say while he's not really in my weight class and these four guy like it doesn't work like that it's part part of the problem is as i said. It's not the fine. There's no real code that we can all fall or that. We all agree on the tough guys. The real tough guys. They probably have a different than the rest of the guys. Everybody views it a little different. And so that leads to conflict and confusion. Well those are headlines. I feel like it was appropriate. Just to dedicate headlines that one big stories at fair you good with that. That's what i see this week next week. We'll have teams that are fallen out of the playoffs and they'll be often but not now. No i mean jets fans are gonna wonder eight. They lost six in a row wang talking. We'll talk about the winnipeg jets. Let me sum that up really quickly. They scored nine goals and they've given up twenty six. That's why they've lost six hundred there. 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Check them out at okay. Tire dot com. Okay tire it's going to be okay. Canadian club over beer presents our interview today with jerry de ray and mann both of us received a couple of swanky packages this week from our malls and canadian club. Have you tried this yet. This is i have not. I've got mine. I got mine. That's not the weekend for me. It's it's today hockey night saturday night. Yeah good for you. That is the ginger ale it look. You don't again at some point we're going to customize the cc in ginger right and we've talked about this i'm gonna go. Drake dreger style with the ginger shavings in. Mind you've got to give it some thought. I feel like cami could co author this for you. you know. She's got to come up with some sort of minty something. Oh the mint would meant work in that. What you meant and ginger might fight each other. I got a battle going on in the glass. There i don't it needs to happen. Maybe enjoy conceit. Yes that i think i like. Give that a go jerry. D brought to you by our friends and canadian club over beer. All right jerry. Thanks for joining the rain. Drake hockey podcast. I don't i don't mean to piss you off right off the bat here i. I'm not trying to poke the bear. But you and i are kindred souls when i think of and the fact that we cannot golf here in ontario. We're not allowed to golf. Let's hope that the restrictions are lifted very very soon but our powell. Ray ferraro I don't know ray. How many times have you played golf. I know you probably played what three times this week that. I'm at eleven round so far. Yeah he's a bad on jerry. He's a bad man. You know we talked about you. Part of yeah. I love the golf. But it's it's my daughter's really golfer. So you know anyone with kids in any sport no. They're struggling so a lot of my frustration is for everybody. That just seems kind of ludicrous for the only province in place in the world but secondly she's at a pivotal time in her career like these. Oh l. and see gel draft prospecting. It's tough right. it's just an age. Where so yeah. It's probably selfishly Connected in that way. But i do feel when things don't make sense i. I compared it to be a teacher. It's like that teacher we had. Were you know every classes outside on a sunny day. You got that teacher that just says now just because you can't do anything about it and that's what it feels like it's just like there's no rhyme or reason to it we can try to make it sound like it's really dangerous all we want. There's precautions so yeah it's frustrating but i mean it's a frustrating time and there's bigger stakes here but i do think outdoor activities in general could probably be loosened so while so i'm playing a lot because we're able to be seen shot up. We know you told us yet. But i was really confused about the ontario regulations. Till i saw your when you straighten them out and you gave us the corporate update. I felt like i had a good handle on. What the hell was going on. You know i'm not thought that you put into that you know it's funny. I burn well. Here's the funny part of that. Read grabbing my phone. And i did it. I didn't do any takes. I just talked and got then. I did a second one and that was. It is easy i seven takes and i was from the my word so as i got. Just do one try to but it was just kind of find emmy look. I wouldn't want to be the premier would want to be the prime minister. I wouldn't want to have to deal with what they deal with. So it's kind of. I had nothing against them personally. Obviously it's a real tough job that i don't think any of their predecessors have had to deal with they have and so It was just a little fun. At how confusing it all is in it get. It's gotta be confusing for them in their teams and it's just a tough situation every night. Try to just you know. The comedian writing. Poke fun at things that it. Oh i get it. Yeah i thought it was an official need. It's now everybody right. Okay no here we are. We're on gulf. So we're going to ask you. You played at match last year. Highly publicized match against two of our work colleagues. That agenda. thea jeff. O'neill was collapse. Oh i gotta tell you those of us in. Tsn had no faith in. We knew he would fold at some point. You must have had confidence was gonna hap. I was surprised that o'neill because o'neill's a golfer. But what. I do know about golf. Tournaments or pressure are way different. It's just a way different. You play with your buddies. You play for a few beers or few dollars. But when there's that term in outside pressure you know. I like. The jeff said more pressured is career than you know in you and guys than i have but the difference in in hockey pressure. Is you know when you look you guys. If you don't have time to think in hockey it's kinda you just do it and urinate. It's it's instinctive and golf. You've got a forty yard. Walk or to a static export. it's not dynamic. That's what's different about it. So loft can get in your head. of course i'm in their ear the whole time and do this was kind of on the quieter side but yeah we got lucky meal. Neil o'neill Dog as he calls himself he He was gone the we shook hands and he was gone. That's the last two seconds there was no. There was no check from him. We did have checked presentation because it was for charity. He was q. So pissed and typical dog. But i love a lot of the professional athletes right like they have one level they have one gear. Like as much as you wanna say. It bugs them to lose so he took that with them. It was it was a lot of fun. They were great. It was james. And i really doing the chirping. Oh dog went quiet And dubus was quiet anyway so it was the two of us a couple good singers. So i've got to tell you like from playing like if we did. You don't have to stand over the ball and is seven. Wait swing thoughts too many. Because that's generally what i get to. Yeah saw i'm telling a mine. Were playing and i've made a couple bogeys in a whole enrolling. I said like. This is the time where i'd take a bad slashing penalty like an undisciplined. So i hit a ball in a bunker few holes later and he goes you take one now and i'm like you to yard. Yeah it's a mentally my daughter. As i said it's going through and it's a lot on a lot on kids. 'cause you know team sports there's a twenty or fifteen other people to kind of help you with the loss gulf in tennessee usually these individuals sports alone so the hockey guys love it as you know. They're all mckinnon is like addicted with it. I heard in fact he trying to get better is a kessels phenomenal played with them. Clark mccarthy we have this. I used to have this regular game. When they're all leafs we'd go me kessel macarthur in atkin. Oh god. The stories from that with were hilarious. 'cause like me talk will not wanna lose. Kessel does not like losing at all so in act would just be in his ear like they were roommates and then just macarthur. Was they just fun to watch the three of them. There were three buddies but david to each other the whole time but the hockey guys are usually good at it and if they're not like connor brown is you know i was telling that story. When he was on that street with text his dad he called his dad. Before the first game of the goal streak and you know just talk golf. Even if i text con i knew connor from when he was younger. But he's like yeah. I'm a golf game. I i'm really excited. I i love. They just obsessed with trying to get better. And that's the athlete in them right. So in his streaky. He had this little superstition he his dad told me that you know. Then he started calling me every night before on the way to the rank he we talk off and it became this thing. So it's It's something the hockey guys connect with a lot. I find as a parent. Can you help daughter it all with with what. She's you know when you look at land. Like i don't know when you had to stop giving him advice It's not as not as early as he would've liked. Yeah one hundred percent it's You know and your much better hockey player than i was golfer so you know you would like my friend. I said to my friend the other day who who who had a sniff in the bigs for baseball in his son. Good just got a scholarship to michigan. He's there now pitching and he said there's no different like i played. I played in the major leagues in. My son. doesn't wanna listen to me so it's hard. The funny part with my daughter was the day i came home. A shot ninety two which is really high for me. It's the national which is beat you up and I was down given some. I was working with her swing and she turned me. She goes daddy no offence. You're you're not my you know my gauge anymore. Like you're that was it. No offense most of our practice sessions and in in an argument. And i walk away. 'cause i i mean the room. She's thirteen you. Know i'd still kill you like i would still crush you golf. So but not at that stage anymore starting. It's starting to turn while. I'll tell you the last time landon. I raced on the ice. I just retired a year and a half ota retirement. He's thirteen it so we raised from goal line to four blue line. I beat him by. I'm telling you buy a hair. So i turned around and i said you'll never beat me. And he said what do you mean. Last time we'll ever race at the great way to do it. You know it's getting why not. You'll never what i don't know i mean i think of you and i still you're humble guy because most most guys are i forget what the number is but didn't you have a hundred and thirty goals or something stupid you're stat on one hundred eight. I've heard it before. June hundred hundred eight goals. You know that is that a. That's a record whol correct right. Yeah the mario's got the record overall. Had somehow he got one hundred forty nine goals a seventeen year old. Wow so many will. Your son never did that. So my point is you always have that on pretty much a lot of people. But that's i can't even fathom well merrill's mareo no offense you know mario his new matt even in the history of my own head. No i'm not trying to knock you but like there's two ways to look at that one. What happened to you after that. Because you didn't know but to a jokingly but that's an amazing stat to me. That i think a lot of people outside the hockey inside your tsn world probably don't know about rate. Did you know that jury was a pretty good hockey player in his own right. No played university hockey. Yes one season saint affects. Correct me if i'm wrong. You made the axeman as a walk on and don't say axeman doing all. Sorry i wanna say and had a pretty big debut game right your first games or it's funny because i was a walk on had no business. Being there played high school hockey. That was the highest level playing intramurals. A york university and i was going insane effects from education. I'm gonna walk on so i really did. Train guys didn't train back then probably at any level but in the at the time i was just training every day so i got to trial to. No one was in shape but me. So i made the team and i remember. He put me on the first line. And i remember standing there for national anthem. Going no mega. My played four or five. Four years. The london knights the right way or my left winger at the time he played you know tier two bunch of records and points. And i'm standing there going. What am i doing here so anyway. It was against p. I we got four points. I got four points. We won four three. i scored. it was three all i. It was like it was like a movie to me but to anyone else it was nothing and then i remember sitting on the four finding and game twelve going. How did i get here so fast. I was just i was. I remember walker around campus going. I can't believe i just did that. And then i never got close to it again So one game. The worst part is i. I call up the coach to get the tape which was vhs. And i wanted to watch it. I was kinda like man what happened and he goes. Yeah so he sends me. The tape am all excited my well. At least i have this tape for my kids and grandkids like you know in the basketball coach had taped over it. So i'm watching the watching the basketball practice. What the hell is this is my point game so i never ever got it. So it's it's me off. But i don't have it in my buddies that ex. I'm still close with a couple of them in. You know these are guy. One guy played the h. l. after and they cheered me all the time like yet one game man like it was but it was for me. It was a highlight. That was it. nope we just. We just talked about guy scoring one hundred and eight goals in the. Whm would reminded me that. We're talking about my four point night with no two of this guy tap the ref ago i got that right i was i don not an awesome. We all did that. He that on the way you bet. Yeah story we were playing acadia and it katya was. I was fourth line. I never got ice acadia. They'd like that's so drake bathroom. Father was was nor mathison and he was. You know i mean again. I'm not not at your level rate. But he was phenomenal. Hockey player went on and played after that day. This team they won twelve one in the final. Against u of t. That's how good they were so long. They were beating teams out east six nothing twelve. Nothing seven one. Nine one and i i. I got a goal but it wasn't my goal. We this guy. Peter lee who was a really good player in uh i said peter. I don't think i touched that. And the ref gave to meet. He goes just take it. Just keep it. I'm like you know what big i will i got. I got no points in nine games. I'm just going to keep it. So i really think one of the goals wasn't even mind to be honest. Luc robitaille said video review robbed him of five goals a year. Because you could always say there's puck mark on my stick. It had to hit me for sure adds great. Yeah you're probably played for bonuses at that level to right at that time bonuses. Were a big deal right now. Guys would have them. Yeah so there was you know i touched out. Are you sure did and then guys would be like. Yeah he needs a bonus in the funniest story. I heard about about that recently. Was these guys are playing in croatia right now. Right you ever hear this story and you can bet on their games so these guys are making nothing. So they're going in right and this is from a guy that played there. This is a valid a valid store. They're going in to the betting shops in croatia. Or wherever they're betting they'll score the first goal so when they get on the ice they're going to be opposing team. Guys listen i on and i'll you know there's always deals wheels because like they're just the you take you. Can i have that goal. Because i had a bet on myself scoring that goal tonight. Yeah yeah that's yours man. Go ahead. I don't know i don't know how true it is but that's the story i i like it. Give them a little actions. Sure go down and myself. Why not absolutely look. We should mention you're wearing the pow. Hp hoodie your big supporter. Good for you. Yeah it's kinda came from. I you know i. I didn't event with jayna hefford years ago. And i befriended jana and obviously jana hall of famer and and well-deserved and then i you know you have daughters in you. Don't i didn't think much of anything but i did. A little stint helium. I healy and i are on the bench for this. All star game at the time was the saami let me interrupt you. There's no way you made as much noise as healy chance. He'll be so helium. My brother played together at western michigan. That's how i knew. He'll he sign new healy prior. And i'll tell you. I love heels but healing. I went to one game in my brothers career at joe louis arena was the semi finals. It was michigan state. Had oh god played in the nhl. For years winnipeg played for winnipeg anyway. Had this phenomenal. Boli gino paul. Gino cavalieri was on bowling green creek. Simpson was involved with prime michigan state. At this point what. I go to one game. And healy stops sixty five shots. And that's not exaggerated and they beat bowling green In double overtime and he bowling green went on to win it anyway. But i always remember that about. He goes yeah. I think the scouts came to watch the other goalie. And i. I don't know he would know the store a butchering story. But every healy and i are on the bench. And i'm literally standing in the dressing room after like going like this is like mattie felipe who land like the best female player in the world Jana had retired. Mike still feel right that they're crowded into a room that in a small dungy arena. They're carrying your own equipment and nfl. Like imagine being a girl like my daughter who's dream place hockey and then you're like what's the endgame. Here will the end game. I started asking questions. Was you know you can make seven grand a year. If you're the best player in the world so i think at the time someone like like muddy fully any spooner. Neal's girls were making maybe seven thousand a year so that is like an east coast. League player would play remake more than the whole team salary. And i thought you know it was it was like yeah maybe i can lend my voice to this. Also iran and my daughter came up to one day with the with the lpga prize money and the pj prize money instead. That y is so different so you know you change your you kind of think differently. We probably should have this way more as guys long time ago but at least we're starting the conversation so i'm trying to whatever fit helps it helps and you guys are all doing the same. We're all trying to elevate the women's sports world and it should win all the best part about it. Is you know my wife was involved. cami twenty years ago. That's right. yeah yeah and there was no social media. So they're please for just a little support got dusted aside and nobody could pick it up. Now there's a momentum that will not be stopped like it. Yeah it's taking longer maybe than everybody would like. But it's not gonna stop and that's not it is the best part but you're right the fact that it didn't happen when camby was playing in cassie in you know any of those girls it you know there was the big argument. I get if i tweet something because you still get these guys going well watching and there's so i'm like that's not what we're talking about here. It was watching and they posted a clip posted the other day. The double women's volleyball game got more views on the network than the cubs reds game. So that excuse. I just don't think should exist anymore. And if it might might take two things and it's an interesting conversation of never had is gambling. What changes the men's. I don't know you know. Let's not hide the fact that the sports gambling industry is massive. My watching football sunday. If i don't have a fantasy pool i don't know if i am yeah. I don't know how that plays into it. It shouldn't. There's gotta be something about that. The gambling industry that we watch men's so much more. There's got to be. And i think you've got to tell the stories you know i knew nothing about cami. I mean i know everything about sid crosby. What used to shoot pucks on dryer. I think we need to tell their stories off the ice. And it's funny. Because i said to jane at that game. I said you know an and they're doing it now. I don't think it's because of me. But i'm glad they're doing it. I think the girls should girls and women. They should come out and not have their helmets on because of a cage. I gotta get you there notices. So they're doing it now if you watch when they come out for the warm up these girls on on these teams are coming out and you're getting to see the faces. These young girls and boys can see. Oh that's what nahla spooner looks like. That's what and that's something. That i think is a small thing that will help the cages the optics of cages. I had this conversation to the the cages. Make it look like minor midget hockey. It just dots. But i gain made great point. She was well one. We don't have dental plans as a professional league Good point and i don't. I don't think women wanna be walking around with missing teeth in scratched up scarred faces so there's a lot of a lot of value to that too but there's just that was just my mind sort of thinking how it just. I think we gotta get to know them better. The there's no question that's as the key to any interest is hot people into the stories of the players. I agree on their. Tv's now one of the most bear performances anyone can make and you did it. Do it is to stand up to be a stand up comic. I'm fascinated by the courage. It takes to stand out there and goal gets me. There's nothing you're not. You're not the old gha comic gallagher with the watermelon smashing it all over the placement. How how terrifying is it to go out there to perform your set. Well there's two parts of that now not terrifying. 'cause i'm immune to it but at the beginning like the first night i come writing another book right now. I should probably write books brennan on smart enough but i'm writing book about in one of the things i'm working on now. Is that chapter on my first time. I can't even explain how terrifying it is terrifying like a doctor performing open heart surgery. It's not terrifying like a breakaway. You know on dominik hasek to win the gold medal. It's different terrifying that. I can't explain because there's a huge of berson factor that is involved. And i can't describe why it was the toughest thing i ever did. And then you know as you said men. That was years of like i've been on stage where i did. I did a gig once. I got phone i just did last comic standing and i was on top of the world might feed jumped so much. So these agents i'm ucla. And i get this first gig in. It's like a money. I've never heard in. I was a teacher. And i'm getting this. Because this is the gig on my. That's what pace like thousands of dollars like not nothing more on people thinking it's crazy but you know i'm doing gigs. For one hundred fifty bucks to that point. So they fly me to the bahamas. I'm like oh my god this unbelievable so i get to the bahamas resort in. It's an island. I am there for one night. And i get. It's a marlin fishing tournament now. I've never seen a boat like i'd seen. This was fifty yachts lined up in the harbor. These were thirty forty million dollar votes and there was fifty two hundred and the crowd was a bunch of old men and these young nieces like nieces. Like i'm so naive like nieces. Their niece why hold hands with their niece. Why is it niece. Dress like so. It's the worst crowd. I tell you i i've got so they're fishing all day. Marlin fishing all day. They're hammered at the fish from six. Am it's nine o'clock at night. They are wasted and they don't wanna be with me. They wanna be with their nieces right. I mean you know we. A lot of us are uncles nieces. So they all just start leaving slowly and yelling at me and i got a new forty five minutes and in my mind. I'm like do. The forty five minutes won't get paid do the forty five minutes but i am literally dripping with sweat of of the of the feeling of bombing and i'm at seven minutes. I'm into seven minutes for. I'm like i just start ripping them. I'm like i got nowhere to go here. I'm gonna start ripping these guys. So it just became me ripping them and chirpin them and then get angry and tonight. Then i'm stuck on the island. I'm walking around and they're all there in. They're all hammered. So those nights where you you are embarrassed and dripping with sweat and you know you gotta do your time. Yeah you're right. there's no worse feeling but on the other side of the coin when he goes well and i. It's hard to this. Dr vista people. The you get that you did that. And made a thousand or five hundred or seventy people like laugh and not to get too deep. But i always i get a lot of emails and comments you get from people that you realize the importance of laughter. That for that moment for that our more with my voice. I took those people away from anyone that lost a loved on anyone that was going through a anything and that that's a powerful feeling that you you you have. So that's the pride in it. I think when you know you can do that. And you get emails from people saying you know. My husband was sick in hospital. He got through watching your show. You're standing up in. That's when it puts a real big smile on your face but the the the the heiser so high the lows are so low. You get thick skin for sure awesome. Jerry will let yo this. where are you with. Family feud canada taping. Yeah we're taping. Were you know trying to get. I've been pushing for this. Tsn versus sports nam nam. A fans of both you guys in pushing for this celebrity international will see But we're filming in the fall again season three and it's just a lot of fun. It's you know one of the things you learn and you know this more than anyone. Raise the chirping. That goes on in a hockey dressing room when the officer out and that's my son has no interest in hockey and so i have no interest in him but i say that joe but i'm also very angry but he's only eight but he just tried it he hates it but that's what i'm trying to explain them. That men have no idea the best part of hockey. Which isn't in a lot of sports is the room. Where there's no coaches baseball. You kinda show up you go to your dugout parents or behind the thing. And that's where the chirping for me always started. Because you you know you get it you get it pretty bad in hockey edge you know these guys find one thing on you one p saharan too much hair on your arms. It's whatever it's your tact and you've got to defend yourself So family feud is a lot of taking that sort of chirp ability but trying to keep it kind. I just love doing it the families. it's they love it. They're they're just having a blast so we're back for another season. We feel mad in the fall. And i could probably stay on this podcast for about seventeen weeks right now because i got nothing going on. So what was your favorite game show growing up. I was a game show guy. I loved match game with gene rayburn. I mean i remember watching creepy about feudals when you watch richard dawson. When i got the job i started watching the old guys do it. And that's hard to watch. Now when a richard dawson a three year old on the lips right next door fifty. Seven year old father. I'd be like going on here rich on here but it's it's a bit your family prices right. I remember a lot. you know. 'cause for me family feud and prices right. I wanted to be on it. Mike how do we get. And that's what's exciting about feud it's you can get on it and but i think prices right and family feud with the two that i would watch the most That you could play along. The match game was great. I didn't i wasn't when i got to watch a lot of i do remember it though. Newlywed game watch a lot all watch that a lot and in the dating game on of coordinating game. Then you found. One of the guys was a murderer. See that that's weird. That's unfortunate. it's a lot of famous people on the dating game that were That became Chrissy from cheers started on the dating game. There's a lot of famous actors and actresses of dating game. If you go back but yeah it was so there's a lot accident you think about. Probably more twenty five thousand dollars pyramid one word. And but here's the one thing. There was only like four hosts for fifty six game shows. Dick clark wink martindale end up. Yeah it's like yeah that's true. It was best name ever wink martindale. You should change the jerry d thing to something like wink wink piece thinking di all coming together. It's not even my last name. I because i was teaching. And i'm like i don't wanna trying this like this is the worst part findings. Part of teaching in stand up was when the kids would show up your show. No one knew. And you're like these show up. You're like oh this is part of that was when i was twenty six. I was teaching. And i was working at the keg. Still you not just trying to make as much money again. I i worked at the cag- from eighteen to twenty seven it might My students in with their family. And i'd serve like a twenty two hours ago attention now. You're boxing around. It's like there's no that was probably more embarrassing moments. I ever had was having service family. So i what. It's funny because the next time it happened with another family. I would traded the table off. But i would back into my section so i'm backing into my section them which got hard after a while but Yeah there's There's a lot of embarrassing moments. So when you're when you're a standup any teacher. I guess jerry we could go on and on here we We've taken enough time on a weekend. Even though i mean it's saturday when recording the raindrops. Podcast saturday morning and you guys got nothing going on either. Let's be honest. The thing is we cut this up right. So just take the best part. No we don't really have hurt to finish it. Yeah we're gonna not even do the podcast this guy long. We're just getting over sponsors and introduce you and that'll be the podcast twenty. I am okay. I love the gemini or the can screen award your sporting their ray. I mean. we'll subtlety there. I like i have. That drags has got canadian club behind him. We like that too. It's just that one i did. I thought of forty three year old bottle. Jerry's forty three subaru aid just like me. You're is it that i recognized that gemini down there. That's the old school on on kinda. I wanted to do one of these once. And i'll never do it now but i wanted like just like your setup right there darren okay just behind. It was just all like porn books video and just like not even mentioning just a religious doctors. Jesus loves you. Love your sops. Seventy people going. How is that okay. So there's a quick story to be told so. I've got these beauties book over right behind me right. Yeah i see what you're blocking it now there it is i get dozens of writers. Now contact me. They'll d at me or they'll contact me on instagram. Who want that piece of real estate. They'll send me a book. And then they bug me the relentless. You're not sure on my book. You got to put my book up there now under something. Yeah that's a good while now. That's that's just a comedian. Thinking silly things but i also see these books behind some people overdo it right like you never read that you never read that. They're now not you. I'm saying they have these books. Signed my on both fronts of hockey. There's no psychology get it. Shoot it down there. Go try and shoot it. Internet start again ago. Yeah there you go. jerry is in. Hopefully we'll see you all how you doing. How's he just back is just back. Home was in germany this year again. The second year he gets out of quarantine on sunday. So i haven't seen them for two weeks every afford to see them. Yeah i bet you are. I never met him but we connected a few times so give him. My best is good. Kids will for sure very much jerry by all right time to raise a glass in honor of our gaskin episode twenty jerry d and as is the case with most comedians. We spent thirty thirty five minutes almost forty minutes in fact with jerry on the podcast and you could spend hours with him right. Imagine playing golf with him. How would you be with with jerry with the constant nattering. The funny stuff. Do you take woody. Knock you off your game. would you struggle to concentrate. I wonder how he would do with the constant nattering. Ooh that was part of your game. Wasn't that ray. Always is although i do not deal with random noise on the course very well zarate yeah. I don't know why it shouldn't bother me. I mean i'm no. I'm not good enough. That it should bother me. But i think i do think they're in a match like james and my vision is the jerry was like a nap and he just wouldn't go away so you're talking about the random noise so i do this with my buddies and they finally picked up on it right so normally. I'm the guy that hits first off t. Just because i'm the best call from the group i'm done. That's and that's not saying a whole lot. But so on the rare occasion. Where i don't have honors whoever hits i just as they're in their backswing all rep velcro on my glove and that's brutal. It is brutal but if that happened to you so if somebody did that your backswing you'd be sour because you would notice it like that's that yes those noises that would get to you like i did it ten times last season ray and nobody figured it out. They never picked up on it so that quality the people that i play golf so i would say anything but you would probably you notice that i knew. Oh you know like i. That would be a walk off the tee box to my bag. Don't like there's no conversation there you would know. See jerry would would get to me. Because he's he's a good golfer but lighthearted he's out there he's having fun and if i'm not playing well i'm not having as much fun and that would probably get to me. How he's boston it. Up the middle did do just love and life in here. I am like grinding it out like i'm working in salt mines. So then that vision connects pretty good with old shaking hands and leaving the court on he. By that point he had worked his way into osa ear so far they couldn't get away fast enough. No kidding thanks. Jerry for joining. Us raindrop season two episode twenty presented by our friends at infinity. Continues all right time for our weekly segment with chris. Abbott coup bid. Chris as we look forward here. I'm wondering if we should start or gambling. Conversation here on the odds of ray ferraro winning his battle with the sunlight and everything. That is just hammering. Jim as we record this podcast chris. Sorry chris before i get to get to. You know there are times. Where drags just colossal pain in the ass. This is one of them. I've because darren such a finicky guy. We have to tape this at a time. That fits darren day. And however i've talked to the people that are in charge of the sun and it comes right there and so short of me turning the house at a forty five degree angle. This is what i get so it's not bad it's not bad. I it good good for you. Good to see chris. How are you. it's good to see you too Listen i completely understand place in toronto south facing and mornings and afternoons it's just there's no escaping it so totally understand where to go. And the only thing drags is focused on two things one that i don't have a desk in office and two that the sun is killing me for like twenty minutes. I'm worried about you to be fair. Worried about your retinas. It looks like it's on your eyes rate better now. That's not good either now. My back's now backs. Going to kill me and twenty minutes. Let's get onto chris. In the odds. Chris never mind is dragged babbel's on here teams are starting to finish or starting to lock in their playoff. Spots is as they lock in or the odds changing for stanley cup Stanley cup odds performance odds as team start to the locked away in. Yeah i mean as teams lock their positions in. I find the odds are kind of settling in as well We've got colorado Still four two one favourite to win the stanley cup. Those odds getting pretty short right now. so anyone who had them earlier in the air at six seven eight to one are probably pretty happy with those tickets and then you know you've got a tampa toronto vegas all the teams that you expect right around there. I'm but we're seeing some teams. I think ray that are coming down the stretch with some some pretty impressive performances with with some pretty good odds like you've got the caps fifteen two one the bruins you can never count them out at ten to one and then a little further down if you wanna get frisky. It's going to be tough to come out of the division. But the florida panthers at twenty seven to one. So there's still some value to be had out there The public favorites are certainly settling in at the top. But i think there's value to be had. I think we're in for really upsetting stanley cup playoffs whereas carolina app carolina's at nine to one and there are team that i've liked all year. They they've been around thirteen fifteen two one most of the season. So i think the betty markets are finally catching up to just how good this team is and you know. They're like the islanders. They play playoff hockey all year long. And there's something to be said for that when you get into the postseason anyway. You know there's so much made of the national football league obviously coming out of the draft going into the draft. Is there any way to monetize the aaron rodgers. Watch now i mean. He's made it abundantly clear that he's not going back to green bay. So i mean are there odds on wearies going to land that sort of thing. I think you'll see odds. They don't have them right now like where he'll take his next snap but they will be up this week. One of the craziest things saw and it's one of the biggest shifts. I've seen abedin market ever so when that tweet came out whatever. It was thursday before the draft. The denver broncos were eighty to one to win the super bowl a single tweet not even a transaction move the denver broncos to twenty two one to win the super bowl and moved them to eight to one from thirty five to one the whit to win the afc. They're ahead of the browns dolphins and patriots right now So the browns vet the broncos value. Excuse me is long gone. Some people get in on it but just one tweet guys nowadays transaction all right. What are we looking forward. This week chris so much going on obviously had golf with their scheduled. People love that. Baseball is in full swing. The days are getting their roster healthy also. And you know. I'm going to bring this up the world women's curling championships in calgary curie anderson's rank representing canada so a lot of teams that were at the grand slams the last couple of weeks or are so that's that's something else that people are paying attention to and then a couple of big. Ufc cards coming up. So we're right in the thick of things become down the stretch for playoffs in the nhl and nba. Major league. Baseball in full swing. You know the european soccer leagues are getting ready to hit their playoffs and championships. So it's it's a very exciting time hard to keep up with it all no kidding so much going on. He's chris abbott. Check them out all the action a cool bet dot co. 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I do think there's some truth to luke's point though that There is a momentum to two players winning a trophy because you. It shouldn't matter because it's just about this season but there there needs to be a little awareness and it's hard for everybody to be aware of every player because everybody's criteria is a little different But i in my mind. Adam fox is having a a norris caliber season. yeah. I don't know that he's the norris winter but i i do believe he will get plenty of consideration gooey thinking victor hedman john carlson. Yup yup yet. You know who doesn't have enough but romeo sees impact knowing one last year but for sharing now nashville's game when he was out of the lineup as opposed to win he's in it. They're winning percentages are numbers change completely through the roof. Oh unbelievable when yoshi when you'll see is is in the game all right. Evan this is right in your wheelhouse ray. what is considered a good faceoff. Winning percentage for a player. So he's saying if if you're winning fifty five percent of your face. Offs is that considered great or just good and then by the way he says look after listening to the last episode. I played tim's hockey challenge and went three for three. I so i asked that earlier and now. I'm not sure that this is true. We're going to add one evans. I want a screenshot. And i want to see because that case evan past us both and he's played once one hundred fifty points for evan. Bogus avenue we wanted to screen shot. Fifty five percent would be awesome. Yeah it would be a terrific faceoff percentage. You know what's crazy about that. So somebody that's no good about ad. No good at face. Offs would be below fifty percent. So let's assume you're you know i'm fifty five percent. You're forty eight percent seven percent difference at seven out of one hundred draws now like does it do. We overvalue the total number as opposed to the target faceoffs. Which ones are most important. I think there is a difference. I think you're right. I think you're right all right valley in finland. And we're paraphrasing here but is says the average game sees each team. Get about thirty shots on goal which is probably pretty close. Is there a shot on goal. Number that coaches expect their teams to get is thirty. Good areas that too low and what would be the philosophy just more shots on that eagles more scoring chances when i played we always targeted thirty. It'll you'd like to get a period. I think you've seen there was a time not very long ago. Teams were high volume shooting. They felt that that was the best way to defend it. Enough shots on net would mean more chaos. Maybe you can manufacture goals out of that chaos yet. Now there's a switch to those shots. Those wasted shots from the wing or way deep at the blue line. Teams aren't taking them. They'd rather retain possession and work at around so that lowers the number of shots. I can't tell you what the best number is. But i think most teams view quality over quantity these days. I like that question. thanks to in felon. Thank you lou can thank you evan. We need that screen. Grab we want to see. The three for three in the tim hortons. Nhl challenge you know earlier in the pod. And we're going to wrap up here a cause. I always like to know what you've got going for the next number of days before our next episode I guess it was thursday. I'm out walking. I'd fritz in the backyard. Fritz fifteen almost now he's fourteen in change so i have to carry them down the stairs. It's pitch black out in the backyard. Okay it's like nine pm nine fifteen something like that. There is a blood curdling scream in my backyard. We've got four great behind us for great to the north of us and then a house on the other side of the self like the highest pitched scream and moore allowed rape behind the fence and it startled me like what was that in. Tiny was out there as well and she's just going ballistic right so am i well. I can't see any things. Nothing i'm going to do about like what are we do. Call the cops. Like what do i do. It sounds like a woman like it's it was terrifying screen. So i don't i come back into the house jumping in bed here. The same scream like about fifteen minutes later so the next morning friday morning i get up and i literally simply googled animals. That scream and comes back. Red fox sounds like a woman screaming. And so i we should have the sound effect. We don't but if when when later today if you've got thirty seconds just google that and then hit the hit play on. It was terrifying so it turns out. It's his little red fox that just lets out this hellacious skirt each and you and you'd never heard that before the never heard that before. Now that would be rattling. And so i'm playing it for holly friday morning on. The laptop in tiny is going bananas in the house. Like she's like trying to get to the laptop because she's just heard this and she's like now. I know what it is. That was the excitement of my week. What's your week looking like Get through the weekend. Got a few things going on not much of course because really although were more open than ontario. There's not allowed to do busy week next week. I had four games this week. I got three games next week. It's hard to believe drags. The season is coming to an end. I know it. It's like oh wait a minute. We are at the end. I know so. It'll be busy busy doing games this week. Knock off another podcast. I think later later in right. Yeah i think. William for thursday friday somewhere around there perfect. So twenty one. I think it's going to be a beauty. Thanks very hot. You bet everybody have a good good week be safe. Be well and thanks for listening to hold on. Don't leave yet. We've got a huge shot out to our partners and you're such a big part of this. 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If You Give Us The Runway

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If You Give Us The Runway

"Hang on deb. What is your instagram. Handle it's debra berman wardrobe okay. Let's set the scene here. Let's set the stage as they say. Elliot we're recording this podcast late sunday night. You've just come back from working hockey night. In canada the vancouver canucks and the toronto maple leafs in what has to be considered the best of all possible endings. Although it's really not an ending to this vancouver canucks drama that everybody most notably vancouver and the players themselves have been going through the last three weeks as you're sitting there in the studio okay because watching it on television here in my office. The minute that had dawned on me. When i first said vancouver is going to win. This thing is when brayden whole did like the dominik. Hasek role weaned simmons and kept that puck out. I said vancouver's totally winning this thing. What was it like with you guys in studio you know. Toronto scored early jimmy bc. The former league had a meal under breaking it on the wing willie styles as the scoring on our goal lander and then they got the power play and even though their power play is brutal. I thought maybe this was going to end eight to that. You just saw it sliding away. We showed in the first intermission. Antoine fantastic schefter start that penalty. Kill but they just looked tired late. There was one shift where jt miller who who was one of the guys who didn't get covid. Who had a minute shift and couldn't get off the ice. You looked at them. And you said there's no way they're going to be able to stay with them. Leaves counter attacking now have numbers as they get across. The line may land far matthews to nothing. Think okay. toronto is going to be fine. I'm and gets hurt. And he's still think they're going to be fine. And then the other way here's four partial break down the left wing the third and hopi started making even more and more ridiculous saves leads for joe thornton less backdoor wrestling with a one timer rod by holtby again across to his partner. It allowed to the backhand. He stopped by hobie. Us pressure. Backtrack is well. It's a back in practice. Cements deeks by old p windmill. Stop as he was lying on his back with these pets in the eric kicked it out. Covered it up. it's still chewed one. I cannot believe it nine. Five left in the third and brandon only continues to shine vancouver. I just had this feeling the effects were starting to believe that they might actually be able to do this. And one of the things i heard was in the second intermission. They were talking to one. Were in this game. If we would have known that we would have been in the game at two two one after two we would've taken. I think that's when they really began to sit there. And say you know we. We could win this and when they tied it to two years hornet left circle jalen chatfield scorer. Neal's planner Neal's lander as he shovels. Pass jack campbell in the crease. And the tied the game at two with seven. Fifty seven left in the third. I thought holy smokes. These guys are going to win it and the martyr. I'm not sure how students score. It's emphatically waved off at the side of the goal by graham skillet or although martyrs trying to argue that it snuck across the goal line and the officials might be having a look at this one hershey with nineteen point one seconds left in the third period. Marna seems convinced that it was in yeah. I'm not sure it's the chance of matthews gets. I think it's the chance that gets that. Hits holtby in the back. I mean. I don't think they had an angle that showed the puck. But i tell you. I really thought jeff going into overtime. The toronto is going to win it and scored incredible incredible in their first game. Since march twenty fourth after the majority of the team tested positive for covid nineteen. Hornbeck zidan overtime. His sick into the game. Sixty thousand a year havoc snark off the top team in the north unbelievable up speechless brandon union. That board was all character heart leadership. All you'll learn tonight that he is two goals and an assist the overtime winner. Here he gets a pass from tyler myers and fires down that far side. Beat jack campbell earlier in the game. Walker side low on a breakaway eagles blocker side again back to the well and it goes through the art minute jack. Campbell and into the net. Impossible is happening. Three two winners in overtime on a goal by ball hardback. I look at a couple things in both of them are hold. There's the hashtag role. Unweaned simmons and then when hopi stops monir on the breakaway shorthanded Like that. me just to make. There's no way the maple leafs winning this thing. I just thought they would have been so tired going into overtime. Toronto with all of its high octane. Offense and three on three. I i just thought it lined up better for toronto and ot. that's what. I thought i was wrong. What the what. The studio think. We couldn't believe it it was. You know the thing is we were we. Were talking like a lot of toronto fans on social media were talking about. This is like the air's game and you know a couple of us were actually talking about it. Remind you of the heirs game. No because this one like this one was still like the maple leafs are controlling. The whole game is just brayden. Hope he won't let it happen. I agree the the leafs are dominating the vancouver canucks bless them. They're hanging on. They're put together like macgyver style with toothpaste in toothpicks. And it's all will and there's like some guys are pushing off and there's no power in that stride. Maybe it's time for a line change. Like i don't know man. It was just review hold be dragged them into the fight tonight totally and then the rest of them caught up the rest of the and you know who did to to meet. The game was all about carolina as a team playing defense. No that was a masterclass that carolina third period. Yes it was sure it was okay. Okay yeah but. I really thought that when toronto lit up airs early in that game they thought it was going to be easy and they let off the gas. Yes carolina shut them down but i think that was also a self inflicted toronto performance. I didn't think this was a self inflicted toronto performance. I thought they played really well and hold be stone them and then the cannot stress. And you i'll tell you this to other guys who deserve a lot of credit. Are hammock and myers myers takes a lot of criticism. In that city. He was a beast. He played thirteen minutes in the second period. He was a beast you know. Give him a really good thing in the in the post game pointing out. How tyler myers had the one option in that overtime to force a pass. The vat but didn't and then chose to exit the zone quickly regroup in the neutral zone and it springs as muslim goes for a little bit of a out of position skate and that tolley springs bohora vat to great play by tyler myers. It's a wonderful play. Tyler myers like that's that's great Also coming out of that game was the hit on. Zach hyman yup. What did you make of it to me. It looked like a tired hockey player. Making a lazy play alexander. It was he was on the end of a three minute shift. And you know i think he did make a lazy play but it has enormous consequences. Adler has been suspended twice in his career. But it's been a long time eight years ago but you know somebody who used to work with team. Canada sent me video of of eric. Staal the two thousand thirteen world championships and That was a knee injury to stall in the new play. As a matter of fact adler was suspended for the first two games of the soji olympics because sweden was out before the full run of that suspension in the world the previous year. I generally agree with you. He was on the ice for three minutes and he was trying to get off and he was beat and he did what he shouldn't done. I'm i think it's a hugely impactful. Play in toronto season. Taveras varas said postgame. That highlands seemed optimistic. I mean i don't know it's huge. If hyman is out for a significant period of time. that's a major major loss. That's rahmael police. That is devastating. Okay so worn at the talk about the vancouver canucks. Allot on this podcast. We should mention as well coming up on the podcasts. You will hear from someone that we all to a person rave about at our shop. And that is deborah berman. She's the National stylists for rodgers. We wanted to do something fun. Indifferent here well. Yeah we want that. Like last week was all trade deadline serious and furrowed brow. And you're gonna get all kind of stuff here trust me on you drag it all out of free air but one have more fun this week. We had a really nice conversation an intriguing conversation interesting conversation and were actually able to to get some some pretty interesting stuff out of their berman. A lot of stuff. That i didn't know and i think that it's gonna make Listeners really curious and interested so stay tuned for deborah. Coming up here in a couple of moments but vancouver. Okay i want to ask you then what this means to the vancouver canucks right now and whether you have a sense of how tightly knit this team is if at all i don't know there Because you saw the celebration at the end and his bo horvat and he's the guy on saturday there saying hey don't count it so we're not gonna be you know we're not going to be the squash match here. Forget were in there to compete and win this hockey game. And he's the guy that wins in overtime. It's a wonderful hockey moment. it's it's a. It's a great end of this story on this in this very troubled time On this weekend where. We all have a whole bunch of questions and concerns too great. Finish a good on bohora vat but is this a close knit team or is this one of those teams. That's like twenty three guys calling twenty three googlers at the end of the game. You can tell that it's changed since the nineteen eighty five boston. Red sox right because guys twenty-five cabinets twenty-five guys twenty numbers you know. I think that's a great question you know i. I really believe that a situation like this. What it does is. It adds to what you already are. Okay i think if you're a low character group you fall apart. If you're a high character group you find a way and one of the things. I talked about the post game. Is that if you're an elite level athlete if you play just one game in the nhl but you are an elite level athlete male or female in anything or in a lotta ways elite level person. Anything you do. You have enormous pride in your work the you think of all the challenges and all the stresses some people were really sick. Some people's families were really sick. There's a lot of built in excuses there for things not to work. But his whole beasted on his head and the confidence grew. Think what you saw is a lot of people who they're competitive. Pride really came out and when your best players compete like holtby did like hor did those defensemen especially when adler was out of the game you know. I was watching green. Do this with his deion. Bombed nolan baumgartner. The coach and you know it's it's your first game in twenty four days and you're basically down to three defensemen but just watching myers in hammock and hughes the way they they took the minutes. You know twenty five to thirty minutes. Each i think it it drags you into the fight and you know what it says to me is that there's a lot of character there. You know who knows what's going to happen for here on in. Maybe they run out of steam. I don't know but they had a lot excuses to fall apart including a lot of believed jeff that you know. They obviously weren't very happy with the way. Some of the things have gone. So i think there would have been very easy for them to fall apart and give up at points in that game. What it says to me is that you have group of really high character players and if they get reason to believe they can win. They're going to push for it and they're going to drive to it. So let me ask you this. Then in light of that and i don't wanna go with the minutia of last week yup Distance now and we have a game in between it but as you look back without without going through every tiny little detail. How do you feel about what happened last week. Or maybe have you had a chance to believe. Think about in a new way now. What happened last week. Well you know. Obviously the players were right to say. They needed a couple more days. You know. I think there were a couple of things that came up. I now believe. I don't know how serious it was jeff but i. I now believe at least was discussed from the players that we have to play fifty six games. Could we play. I don't know i'm throwing a number out there. Fifty one or something like that. I don't know how seriously it was discussed. But i think it was kinda thrown out there just as an option. But i think they were clearly right to say as did to the players association will be okay if we get a couple of extra days and i think where it went sideways and this is where i think. Some of the frustration came from his. I think the league the players association and the along with their medical staff had discussed the likelihood that they weren't going to know if they were going to play on friday until they went through all their medical on thursday as part of the protocols. When you come out of the covert reserve list you have to pass a mandatory pose covert exam and you know it's basically a physical and it's also testing on your heart the ec. Jeez the electoral cardiograms all of that stuff and from wire stand the league and the players association. They felt that it was understood. That friday was no guarantee until thursday but for whatever reason that was not explained clearly enough to the players and so the players are sitting here. Saying we're gonna play in two days really so when miller said what he said you know we try to talk about number one priority health their family safety and this mrs. It's almost impossible to achieve that. But what they've asked us to do. Your honor return so like i said. I can't speak on behalf of the guys bag. kobe back. Talk to my teammates lot and this has been the obviously that easy different different for everybody in another traffic. Come back and play. Like i just talked to is going to be very challenging times and not very safe. You're asking me. And i'm sure there's other people that would agree with that. So i think the reaction some other circles was wait. A sec like Why is this being said. Because aren't the player's supposed to recognize that. We're not going to be making this decision until tomorrow. And matthew schneider was on from the angel was on with david amber pre-game and he basically said the same thing so you know that's why think things kind of happened. The way they did. I think the communication broke down and there was a lot of frustration about the fact that communication broke down like imagine the players being frustrated. Not getting that message properly and what you're thinking while most of you are battling illness and coming out of it and your families are doing the same thing so it totally understand the frustration of the players and now i have a better understanding of the frustration from outside because they thought this was all agreed to so i think that's why it kind of blew up the way it did by. I think what it proved is the message from the players was right. You give us a couple extra days and you know we're gonna be okay here and That's what happened on on sunday night. Do you have a sense of how close knit. If at all this vancouver canucks team is and i. I ask you this because you know you you watch the game and you watch overtime and bohora vat scores. And he's a guy the day before that said we're not going to be a pushover and it just seemed like one of those galvanizing moments. But that's just what you see on television after a win. That's a pretty big emotional hockey reaction that all those players have we've seen some teams that are legitimately like that really do enjoy playing with each other for each other etc other teams. It's twenty three guys in twenty three uber's you have a sense of how this team sits with one another and what a night like sunday does for them. If anything i will. What i think is is it's a reminder of and i said at the end of the show is is that you should never underestimate the pride of a of an elite athlete or really an elite. Anything really to play one game national hockey league's and incredible accomplishment. And i think that to be that successful you have to really care and i think it reminds you that. There's a lot of guys on that team who really care you know. One player traded god at. Who's kind of at the center of all this. I think that made it a challenge. The regardless of what happens from here on in. I think it's obviously there's a group of players were professional. They take a lot of pride in their craft and competing at a high level. Mean something to them like. I think it's impressive and you know what it's kind of funny to say this jeff. There's something about the leaves. I think that brings out the best in opponents hundred percent thus of course it they get a lot of attention everybody wants to roast this team. This team that as we've seen before will allow themselves to be roasted. I've talked about this before. Xs talked about this before that ownership. You beat the leaves in all is forgiven. Sometimes like there's there's the one story out there. The owner tried to put money on the board and his gm said you can't do that. That is true. You can't do that and that was a game. I think i cover. That was gay. Might cover like they were. They were going through a bad time and he said if you win this forgiven and he tried to put money on the board and they blocked them and said he can't do that stretches like that they only do one of two things they only bring you closer together or they rip you apart and you know i think they got a lot of guys who have a lot of pride and they showed it. And i'll tell you this. I think some of the players who were their best players on sunday night were some of the players who i think were upset about the situation or things that may have happened. But when the puck drops at you know what let's play. Let's play congratulations vancouver canucks. You are the story in hockey right now. Best story than i would. We always say we're not cheering for teams champion for stories. It's the best story in the nhl. On his sunday as we record this podcast thirty-one thoughts podcast presented by the gmc sierra at four on the other side the great. She makes us all look wonderful so you know. She's tremendous herself. Deborah berman national styles for rodgers. Yes she helped. Get elliott in the turtleneck. She's all right. Elliot i want you to level with me here for a second okay. What would you say about a person who the first time you met them. Asked you to take off your pants jeff. I really hope this person is a doctor. Or a taylor all right well. That is what our guest today on. The podcast did to me when i first started at sports net. She is the rogers national stylist. And she's responsible for usually the good seldom the bad although that's all a matter of interpretation and how. We look weakened in week out on sports night. She is the great deborah berman. Who so far has existed in this mythical realm rate. It's almost like ignore the man behind the curtain. Here deb. Burman is the one that pulls it all together from a A stylistic point of view and she us on the podcast today that is a long introduction and maybe it makes you feel a little bit awkward. But i can think i can speak for everybody at our shop there but we all love you and welcome to the podcast. Not thank you yeah. That was a little bit of a misrepresentation. Thinks the first thing. I asked you but At thank you it was the first day though is you mean liu and i think it might have been the third or fourth thing you asked me to do so. I guess you worm. You warmed up a little bit. You're the whole premise. You started this with a ally is basically area. It could try this suit on. Yes pants are part of that. Ben yeah okay. I was trying to go for senior. You gotta we all have different recollections of things we all choose our memories in in. Okay so how would okay. So i'm curious you because i always listen i. It took me a long time. It took me a real long time to realize something about you. Tell you what that is. Tell me what that is. So bob sharpest sports. Normally you get the coffee shop. Look right like the hoodie and jeans. And the sneaks and you're sorta roll your eyes and go to do you own a mirror. Mary eight year old boy but they want to get dressed up for television. I usually get the. Hey jeff you look great from you know where this is going. It took me. I don't know how many years until i realized you were. Actually shooting yourself comm-comments. I'm responsible for none of it. It's just you that's actually not true. It's the transformation came in looking like an eight year old boy if an app sak and and you clean up well you do. And don't you feel better when you're wearing your uniform. I do yes absolutely now. i'm not as i'm not as daring his eliot. I'm gonna turn this over to him in a second. I'm not as daring as elliot is. But i'm curious when you're putting together so this is like a. Oh look there's my naval moment here in the podcast when you're putting something together for me. How much are you thinking. Will merrick like this versus. America needs to wear this You know what you took a while like come on. Let's face it was four or five years of. I'm only going to wear this sort of madman dark black skinny skinny tie and he wouldn't really you know you know. I think i try to seek people out slowly out of their comfort zone. It just take my cues from them. In elliot from the start has been you know up for anything. He's you know. Bring it on and so it's really fun to dress him. But you've started and we've started using color in three p. suits and all of a sudden your leg leckie news so it just took you a bit longer and so now i yes i do think about yet what you would like to where there is a process to it. I mean i. I do try to every year. We have a great partnership with jack. Victor we have all these great fabrics. And but i do follow fashion and see what's new and try to incorporate it Even though sometimes oftentimes it's ridiculed for your audience but but Don't in some ways. I know this sounds ridiculous but the fabrics kind. Speak to me like this one will be elliott. This one is jeff is one. Yeah that's the way. It works all right so this is interesting to me because i want to get a little bit of your background like how you got here. But we'll do this first and we'll and we'll get to that a bit later like the worst you ever had to deal with was burkey because he would only wear black suit. White shirt different colored. Tyrod like red timely. It's the first thing he ever told me when he met me. A man only needs for things in his job. A black suit a white shirt. Blue tie red tie. I mean i can. And i could never saw him. He did let me start making his maybe was imperceptible to the audience. But we made his so they were if it him better and those big massive shirts he used to wear were bit more fitted. But i could never talk him out of the button-down he would walk into. He would walk in and he'd sit in the lotus. Which is the room where we all gather and watch games and he'd go to me elliott. Wait what are you wearing tonight night. Say oh this is the suit and he go gonna wear black suit white shirt red tie. That will happen all the time. I would just laugh. I would just love and i'll seriousness. He would say that he would say. I'm gonna go with a black suit white shirt red tie and we would just laugh now. Was there anybody else that you've dealt with who's is rigid as burkey class by himself. He's in a class by himself. Because one of the things we have is we have a no like a ban on black on tv especially at sports net because it absorbs light. You don't see detail. In the first thing i found it certainly the cbc guys you must have learned a lot of it at black. Actually i remember watching and seeing heels was always in black so everybody always asked for black suit am. I always had to tell them that. No and he was the only exception. John shannon his buttoned-down. I never managed to dissuade him from wearing those button. Downs did you ever. did you ever try. Oh yes yes very much. So he got into other things but no the button down. He was very attached. To when i first met doug maclean walking turned into one of our biggest peacocks around around in those seats and wear them to opus. After you've made us makeup on may go to york. He'd leave his makeup on after the wall scrubbing down. Nope nope going out for. A glass of beano leaves makes up on. He's not he's not the only guy to leave us. Make task is reluctant as everybody is at first to wear it. I think once you see yourself there's quite a few guys would leave with their makeup on all my draw. This is awesome podcast ever. I am not naming names. I have to. I have to go off on a tangent here or there was a guy new and he does not work in toronto. He works in another city but the finishes shaft and he'd go out and he'd leave his earpiece as i f. b. on so that it would become a talking point when he went to a bar. Some i leave that on law. I love this. This is my favorite. But yes doug came wearing a button downs well and pleated pants very american and but he did allow me to evolve his look. Let's say so. You mentioned something there. That was interesting to me. And that is you know. Rogers has ruled. sports now. has rules no black sports. That have any other rules that they that they say. About appearance or wardrobe. Can i guess what yes if one. I'm going to guess that there's a rule boat. No brown shoes on the set because the light turns them read somebody enough. There's no rules. these are my rules. Occasionally they have to say. I have great support and after coming from many years in film and commercials where there was such a many layers of approvals we have not complete autonomy in the parameters and every now and again i might get a note from a boss. The tan shoe thing is because our reds are compressed and when we broadcast they turn bright orange so we can't use those but the black is my role. It's not a it's sort of tv thing so this year yes. Let's let's just forget the turtleneck for a second turtleneck. We will but how many know. How many times a year will you get a note saying. Yeah i'm not sure about that one. What once made let's good. I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad we have great support. I mean the probably the most notes i ever got were probably when strongbow was on the hair right because he had a different style. A different style and there was one really bright green suit. That probably wasn't mistake. That to get some notes about but for the most part Not really fun to work with though out of all of us. He seems to be the most fashion forward person. We've had the shop dawn. Yes dawn to dawn this distant on curtains. Yeah he was great for me it because he loved fashion and the challenge at the beginning because he had his brand and you know just how protective of his brandon and he didn't even really want wear a suit and hockey night is such a storied brand with traditions and took me a longtime longtime to convince them that we could find a strong stronger version of a suit which is also why we took a lot of flak and skinny pants used to trend on twitter every weekend. Because it wasn't what the hockey audience was used to but it was really i stand behind that the only kind of suit that made sense for him to where You know. I gotta tell ya as i've evolved in and you say that i'm really good about doing whatever you ask. I don't think i would have been like that early in my career. I think now that i'm older. I'm less stuffy about it. i'm much more into. Let's have fine. Let's make the audience laugh especially now people are going through a tough time so i could see that like i go back. If i was twenty years ago i probably would have been really stiff to. But now i think i feel very differently but i'm wondering between you know the the men and the women that you work with. How many people like dawn had his own style. And that wasn't changing. Yeah george had his style and you bent him a little bit but generally that wasn't changing. I know ron has a lot of his own style but like how many people are like that and how many of the men and women are alike. More my side. Which is i'm blank. Canvas pains me honestly. Five percent or more stuck in their ways and everybody else's very open so it's a small percentage and missile. Forget you know. I don't just kevin be accent. Some days he looks great and some days. He looks like he's going to does. Listen to this by the way An a mobster with so. I think whenever we get somebody new. It always starts with a little bit of skepticism. But it doesn't take long for that's part of my job is to listen and hear find someone's comfort zone makes them gain their trust in than you know and usually we win them over does really being very few occasions. We haven't been able to do so. I have to say eliot only ever told you this speaking of twenty. I don't know if it was twenty years ago. But i occasionally watched hockey night. Prior to having this job can of a bandwagon fan. And i used to watch. There was one show where you guys all had a different designer that dressed oil you were wearing sort of a sound of music tyrolean kind of outfit. I thought i'd like to dress. That guy could make a couple of years later. All your dreams came true. Did speaking of addressing people specifically do you dress for the position that they have on television like. I've made this point to you before. I i know you just taichi getting let go by the okay. Whatever merrick. How many times have i said do you deb. I should look like a bartender. Like i should look very plain not like just like some pink balloon in a suit but i should plane and everything around me when i'm hosting should look more colorful and you've always shrug that off but do you have a philosophy about what each rule should look like. I disagree with that. I think clothing first of all. It's much more than just. I think that what appears like it's it reflects your personality. It reflects the first thing that cognitively the viewers takes in. When they're watching you we're making entertainment. I'm gonna get what you're saying that you are the you know the traffic cop and everybody else around you but you have personality of your own. But and then in terms of yeah. I mean hockey night has its. I think we're probably the last holdout for sort of ties. They're sort of evolving away debugging in so that that brand and that look i honor it and i think you guys looked great in suits. I try to make more fashionable. I'm outside like tim show or tim and friends. Now serie is more casual set to the set somewhat dictates what you're gonna wear company who you're with demographic a bunch of factors couple of things there one if that's true why won't you let me take my hair to the bone because it's on uncanny when you see pink nobody wants to see the pinks go your palate. Yes listen to you now. Oh wow l. At least i like lobster when utan it's true. We have a lot of those i do. I remember and i'm not going name who this is. Heated are no longer with us. But i did have one taylor who said that. Somebody was like trying to put a suit on a bag of milk. All that's my. My question was going to be. Who is the toughest body to fit. And why is it sits six zero. That was going to be. My question. fits taft address which you see state we just did a new deal for him and he's a full made-to-measure dutch brand he's gonna any looks like a million bucks he really does. It's another thing to deb. I learned the hard way that you know people get distracted. And i've looked like a massive times during this pandemic. I know it and part of it is a little bit of a game to me but people do get distracted. When there's something off no question about that you do have to look good. You know one thing. I wanted to ask you. I remember a couple of years ago. We had tar sloan on the podcast. And you know she talked about appearance and things like that. And i do think it's a obviously. I think everybody would agree. There's much more critical coverage of what women wear and dress and look like as opposed to what men wear and dress and look like so. How much different is it to address the the women of sports net. And how much caution or care. Moore's put towards them or isn't i don't know the answer curious dearly after say i would say that used to be true and i think when i first came there. There was that typical the men were in suits in on three layers of clothing and shirts and ties and the women were in skimpy tight dresses and we put them in in those. They're beautiful dresses but they were tight dresses. And we've we've evolved away from that. They're wearing suits at karen cameron. I mean martine were suits vodkas back wearing suits his worst dresses because she loves wearing them and they look great on her and danielle michaud. Whereas divorced of urban street wear and saw. I don't know if that's true anymore. It's good to know. I mean i think women i think their performances at just because it's still a male dominated world can be under more scrutiny. We get as many comments. We get more comments about you guys than the women on most nights. Now you see it. You're getting more attention right. True right it's still like to get into a penny collared shirt. No we're not not doing penny collared shirts he blinders. You'll love this. So i'm like right into peaky. Blinders is just like every free might do it. Maybe for one night. yeah. And i'm like please let me let me wear a penny caller shirt just once. She's like hard no not only because they actually fashion trend but fashion trends. You know i've long since accepted the fact that they will get ridiculed. That's okay right. I'll tell you the fashion trend. That's been around for a bit. So you see the thing i disagree with both. You're talking about that night at cbc. And i didn't mind being a guinea pig for a stylised. What i didn't like was it was during a conference. Final game like. I don't think that should happen. Yeah i don't think it should happen during the play offs. I but you know for example it used to be jeff remember. Montreal would play toronto and they take maybe if they took the train and they wore old style suits and fedora. Maybe for a night like dad. You know deb. We could have a theme night or something like that where everybody dresses a certain way. If they want to. I would love to see more of that kind of what's your next look. Is there something that you say. I still wanna do this. And i haven't done it yet. Or i see this being a trend. That's calming and i want to do that. It's definitely the evolution away from the tie. And i think it's gonna take a while. We're doing it already at sports net. I think until the nhl until the hockey players stop wearing tides. I think we're going to still be in ties. So i mean the turtleneck. We won't talk about right now but has replaced tie in many situations. It's just as clean informal. Look it's dressy. It's a fashion trend. Donovan and faizal wearing it for a couple of years. It was just so shocking on that desk because no one's ever worn anything other than a shirt and tie before. So i would love to get you guys. I mean not like when. I started when everybody was wearing casual. That was a hot mess but there is a way to dress casually instill look pulled together. I don't know if we'll get there. Who are place things. They have good style but really doesn't aside for good luck getting an answer. Because i am not going on no. He's he dresses like garbage. You just like carving and he looks amazing most of the time. I was just misquoted. Nolan i heard you say those exact words like i think dan murphy has really good style. He does he does. And that's why. Jeff said when i when i compliment myself. It's not it's really not. It's because when you put something on and embody it. Dan's a perfect example. He just loves close. I don't send me thing particularly different. he's he's adventuresome. he wears them well and he poses in. Yeah you mentioned daniel ratio. Like i think she has really good style. Faysal i think is is phasing allowed to wear like running shoes on said. Is that allowed or not allowed. Everybody else is wearing running shoes. Except for you it's just really well. I don't know if. I want anyone to see them. Because i get seen right because i'm on the side of the desk. I don't know if i'm ready for that yet. I don't think hockey night is. But i think that it's it is a trend to especially as we come out of you know this pandemic when everybody's been in casualwear so it's sort of the soft tailoring and stretchy suits running shoes and men no ties. It's not what we're gonna do on hockey night but it is. What's happening elsewhere. But what. I was working to is the answer. Is kelly rudy right now. Kelly is the one of the nicest people to dress. Kelly's exactly how you would imagine it. There is one point to make with kelly though we do a lot of tailoring and during the pandemic you know we've had people like arash. Cj started running large fluctuations in weight. Why i've had that too. Like i understand that i i've had that too and so we're happy to address anybody type but we do. We would let in and let out as things change and calgary so that exploding button would not have happened. Had he been here because we would would've left his jacket out. Cj just ribs and teeth now like how many times he had the changes his suits cost us a fortune arash but good for them like traveling all the traveling everybody did is hard on them late night eating and drinking. Yeah yeah. How did you get started in this. Can you tell everybody your your career path was. Was this something you were always interested in. What was your career path. I was always interested in it. I always had Like sketchbooks and i was dru. But i came from a family where you could really either be a lawyer doctor. And it was a hobby in. It wasn't something that was taken seriously. So i went to university. Police i and and i had a friend he was going to do interior design and she and i managed to convince my parents when i turned eighteen two i applied to arson and came into the fashion course at ryerson moved to toronto and studied fashion. And you're from ottawa. Right now my parents live there now. I grew up in scotland. So i was twelve and then we moved to saskatoon close. I was close. Smith sneak and then After ryerson i worked during school for anybody and everybody that would that came. 'cause people from industry. We're always looking for students. One time i graduated. I was working on a television series. For mr t. I was working for magazines. And then i worked in fashion for worked associated for flair and chatelaine with new york worked for. Ym for magazines. I had to men's magazines. That's when i really got into menswear. When we traveled around the world and then moved to london thought i would refer for magazine there and ran out of money within six months and got a call to come back and work on music video and then i did music videos every canadian band. You can think of triumph rodeo glass tiger. Tom cochran can mitchell. Did that for a number of years worked with mac on all that stuff's fashion cares. And then i started doing short foray into film episodic tv i had my daughter and after that i switched to doing commercials because i wouldn't from home as a ton of hockey ones i did you know sidney crosby and i don't know how many kerensky commercials big nike campaign with markus naslund and ilya kovalchuk or you did that. That was me. I did one with fleur and rookie. Rashard cam nealy and and then About two thousand eight. I heard that. Cbc was selling off their massive wardrobe department and no one in canada. Wanted to buy it. And i convinced this worshiped supervisor. Probably the best one in canada that i'd worked with on his show to partner with me and open a costume. How soon we bought partners films collection and We opened this big thirty thousand square foot. house called berman company and At the end of the two years of setting it up. I got a call. I think at the time I think i know David conde were either view around. David conde was dismissed. You just stated he was the president at the time and he shopped at a menswear store. Were all the costume. Designers used to go to get things made and he asked one days. We're looking for stylist. Would you recommend anybody. They recommended me. It was just supposed to become in and do it twice a year and so actually tells you how much of a sports fan i was. Because i got the call on friday from stephen lopez one of our directors who still with us. He was forced to call me an interview. Me for this job. And so i spent the weekend watching So that i could have to. You know sound intelligent about and then on the monday we had the interview. He just had the strange look on his face. When i've talked but he just nodded lightly but i had watched the score all weekend and not sports net so i was talking about the score. People best. I got the job and then Discovered that there really was a need for it. At that time everybody was dressing at home and driving in in their clothes and so procured some real estate and built wardrobe departments. That we have on a film set up deals and then infiltrated my way into the rest of the company that mr t. show was tnt. Right it was t in t soul. I've been hanging on that since you mentioned it. 'cause i forgot. I actually mentioned that to me once. What was mr t. Like to work with really very religious man very sort of soft spoken the opposite of what you would expect and he was good to deal with. Yes yeah he was really good to you know. You rattled off a lot of canadian bands there as well. Which videos can we look at and say that's deb burman that i would be embarrassed to say because it was a era patio lanterns. Answer shoes saw in you in this song you saw concert. When he was at king's with wind patio lanterns. Came those great. Did you pick out the o. P. hat for patio lanterns. Or was that. I think so. Yeah wow so. I wanna ask you about a twitter feed. Yes one twitter feeds specifically which was curated either produced by and terrified all of us. My buddy patrick o. Right at nhl ties. Yes i wish he was still doing it. I know me too. I was taxi with him the other day to wait used to circle the gap yes. I'm glad he isn't because i tied zone. Mcdonagh what. I love your beard elliott. 'cause covered the cousins. You're not what did you think of that twitter feed. I loved it. I loved it because it's the attention to detail and it's distracting things that matter me that I could never convince any of you. I mean there are some people that ask for a touchback ends because we just for people listening. We don't have onset wardrobe. I stay for a bit but we can't work all day and all night and movie. Sadder commercial center prince that there would always be onset wardrobe watching the camera. And you know making sure because you guys have other things to do. So we don't have that and over the course of night. Some people are better than others. Elliot does tend to unravel the goes on. So i thought i was in good fun. It was and guys. It's really started taking more notice because he didn't want to be featured in. Yeah oh no everybody wanted to. I started no. No one could be drew. Romenda drew is always like if you're going up against true forget it because he was through the first star. Billy jaffe was always really good till he was great. Yeah i only know how to do one not. Is that a pain for you. It's not a a paint foale to watch. How many times have you said that's a great time that not what we keep saying you. You'll learn a new one. Most guys i mean at least you know how to tie. We do have a few people. I have to pre. Not all their tights for them. Come on you do not know you serious. And i'm not gonna tell you who that is. Who who is it. Let's go brand name name. My name's name that could be that most people It's not an amber. It's got to be dave amber amber everything. He's honesty. He called me this week. He's like what were you saying about me on the podcast. People are saying you're ripping. I know people are saying the amer that were ripping up. I'm gonna keep naming. No it's so deb. Last week on the podcast we we. Did we talked about something about tinder. And i hadn't experienced. Where some someone that i know called me for for a reference on someone that founder on tinder someone at our shop and so right away elliott's like amber like swear. Elliot's would say yeah. He called me said people said you brought me up tender. It's david amber amber stephen. Ambrose david amber. that's his default is a knee-jerk says the amber look like kinda guy who have trouble doing tai like so he does. He does a great job in his david average. Not very actually. David's come a long way because he's to say i'd put his outfit out when we first came here and then he would say to the makeup artist. This work sure this works. I don't know if this works god. He stopped being that guy of heard of people who work in the Movie industry or the film industry and they say that the rules of what you're allowed to do in terms of making eye contact with people or having any kind of conversation with people. It's kind of forbidden. How does working for example with us compared to working people in the film industry or the music industry. There isn't the same delineation i mean. First of all that is not a rule is some actors process Proceess and it's always a little disappointing but it's in character. I mean you sort of understand it. It's not necessarily just ego. No it's completely different. I mean but you guys are still you know. Sometimes i have to remind myself because it is so casual and you guys are all so i would say we are friends that you are working pre show and you're on your phones all the time you'll be dinger notes you prepping your about to perform like you're so relaxed about it. I forget sometimes that it's you know that you are about to face of our network and you're about to go out and perform and into your job so now it's night and day kaz like you. For example you always get on me and cathy broader of to like i come to the set to lake you. Put your jacket on already. like wait. and i know. But i've because i'm usually thinking and my mind is a million places at once but it's funny like how you guys are like okay. When do we finally have to tell elliot to put his jacket on. Because know in the event that you put it on such a last second that right now because of the pandemic in social distancing we can't really that's this is the big disclaimer. 'cause we can't really go in and do finals but it's just that then there would be no time if if you got near it was inside out for instance no i i believe me i get it. I totally understand. What do you think about inc on television deb. Burman good question like tattoos right thinking. I love them. I love him. My love contrast of you know a suit and tattoos. I think all those things. Like when i first started there was no facial hair and there was you had to cover up tattoos. We had caroline for while and she was an amazing athlete and the one thing they can focusing on was that she had this beautiful tattoo on her arm. And don't think i'm wrong. I think we had to cover it up all the time and that would never happen now like i think that facial hair tattoos. All those things are Now there's there's no heart rules against them so for example like for young people starting out because it's a it's kind of a A a wild west out there. Now in social media people used to be a startup. Someone had to hire you. And you got your exposure that way now with twitter and instagram and tiktok and everything. That's available for youtube. You can create your own career. Do you have any sort of old fashioned. Do's and don'ts that you would suggest young people who are trying to make a name for themselves really. I think the advice. I used to get a lot of calls from people asking would meet with them. How would they get into this industry. And i used to give the same advice and i've kind of stopped giving it because of that. I believe that you can't i mean i learned. I had to learn how to pattern making so and design Which i've never. I don't do anymore. We used taylor's but unless you're really learning had a c- had a see when balanced proportions often and you can't alter a garment unless you know how to construct a garment and color theory just chambers my assistant my right hand took the same course that i did and we talk about this color theory class. We took there's all these there is more to it than learning history of art and history of design and context and why clothing reflected the ethos of society. And all that stuff. So i think that's the education you need but you know you can have one hundred thousand followers distress yourself well and have a career so i wouldn't criticise anybody. I mean i think it's amazing that it's a whole new avenue now. Broiled is opened up. And you said we have an instagram account. Now we just launched it It's called sports net underscore style hair. Makeup is also under me now and And it's going to. It's where we can lift back the curtain and show makeup tips and hair. And you guys and you know when we do shoots and red carpets and just the process behind the scenes and our viewers are interested. So it's a catch and also for our vendors that want to be part of it too now why you showed some of our staff like you mentioned jess yes who are some of the other people that our listeners should be aware of who save us every week. Well i think that make up. Department are the unsung heroes. Because we get lots of comments about it but make up. We don't get as many comments. Ns because it's so good it make up. Is that thing that if it's off you know you'll notice it. Unfortunately because the pandemic two we have had our make up department in they will all be back. But the dina tour and sasha andrews and sarah ann cates east burke we miss our make up department re brought them back but their social distancing in their makeup instruction right now hillary hillary tells me what to do and and i put it on like i'll get my little mac thirty. Oh and she'll tell me no don't was a don't smear just pat and all these different techniques now fly my and it helps but it does definitely helped sincere but there's nothing like when they apply because you have on compact when they do your make up their lending three or four colors red. Nobody is one now. How how do you take offense of comments. Do i take offense of comments like for example when you look at the instagram fee and someone says elliott looks like. He looks like a disaster. Like does that bother you. Twitter is where were those come from instagram at. You tend not to get as many negative comments. Does it bother me. It used to but it doesn't bother me now especially because we do push the envelope a little bit with you and and so you're for every person that says they hate it. Somebody else say i love it and i also know from the menswear stores we use. They have people coming in saying with somebody's wife or with her husband or it's man on its own saying i want the suit elliott. Were last week or kelly were two weeks ago. Yeah so while. There's a wonderful moment. We mentioned. george. Trumbull apple's earlier about a million hours ago and thank you for spending a lot of time with us today tab There's a wonderful clip on One of his old shows the hour on. Cbc where his interviewing robert plant. Did you ever see that interview. I didn't see that into you. But i went to his house when he had robert plant. We interviewed him. It wasn't show. Yeah odd so cruel. So there's a of course robert for those for those that don't know if you believe under a rocky former lead singer from led zeppelin and so george asks him this question tonight in this country in a bar somewhere there's a zeppelin tribute band playing at some guy. Is doing you any advice. Try and dress to the right place. of course crackdown. Who is the funniest person that deb burman has ever dressed. God has been anyone that just cracks you up. Because that's that that's an all time line from our land. If anyone if you've ever seen robert plant perform in the seventies you know exactly what he's getting at that point. But who's the person the cracks you up the most in my current job now in your current job previous job. Just anyone i mean. Humor is one of the you know. Thank god you guys are funny because that's one of the most important things to me and you know it's not brain surgery that i do. So there's we always laugh. I mean i. I don't know i find most people. I work with in our industry. You're funny. I know that's not the answer. Your after but crack up nearly every time at work Will i be allowed to where the turtleneck again. Yes but we wouldn't do it in such as well. I mean i can say yes but the that one i would need to have to get approval for the audience. It was that was not a whim it was. We had to go through a process to be able to do that. I understand why right now you. We made a very bold sue to accentuate it on purpose for that particular. But i think dan murphy war one last night or he's wearing one tonight Vancouver playing tonight not started sunday night. I think murphy's wearing one tonight ninety. Yeah so we'll see it might just by the function of the panel that you're on in who you are and the size of your following. I think you know you might just get that feedback regardless. But i think if we had made much more subtle but i think that maybe it wouldn't have blown up quite so much you know know you know what it was. It was fun. It's hockey night in canada. That's why it blew up yet. Remember when you put me in a turtleneck on surfing that's right okay. Okay oh well. That guy's wearing turtleneck nicer. This is because it was hockey night in canada. That's right that is the big stage right. there is a uniform. It's been around a long time in this era right now. We're we're all used to zoom calls. Zoom calls on television. Like we're all used to the you know the the split panel look now on tv and a lot of the looks are casual because listen. You're working from home. Who's wearing a finely tailored suit at home when we get back to quote unquote normal. Whatever that is and whenever that is what do you think stays. Let's question and i think there's different answer for the rest of the company than there is for hockey night. Think hockey night still up until you know. The nhl loosens their dress code and the players start. We'll take our lead from really be the nhl in the players. They stopped wearing ties when they get off the bus. The rest of the network is will probably start going through an evolution of more cat. We're doing it already. You know all those under jackets and joggers was running shoes and lasers but i think hockney we'll take a little bit longer. People are saying the ties dead. It's in. It's typing around for hundreds of years. And i think it's a sense of occasion sensor from. I think they're still escapism. Just because your home in your sweats doesn't mean to say you wanna see somebody on tv. Come soon during this podcast. Right now in sweatpants and like a long sleeve pullover i love coming to work and dressing up in a suit and tie right now. I really enjoy it. It's part of the process of putting on your armor new uniform. And i remember when scott more came and within three days he wanted all our broadcasters in trenton ties suits within seventy two hours and they were everybody was wearing casual at that time and the resounding response for everybody was just relief. They just felt so much more professional in do their job better. You know what it is. I think honestly deb it. Cbc we didn't have a stylist. We had a clothing allowance in ourselves. And like i needed more help. Ron ron and don they. They had style and they had their way. I didn't really have an identity that way. I think what i've learned. The value of your job is is that everybody can have their own identity. Everybody can have their look but they need someone to make sure that their look is clean. And that's your value like if everybody's allowed to do what they wanna do. Some people are gonna look great and some people are going to be disasters but if everybody is allowed to have their look with you kind of coordinating it. You make sure everybody looks clean. And that i think is the real value of what you do. You take what we like. And you say i'm gonna put you in a position where you're comfortable but you still look clean and i think that's the difference between what you're talking about when you first got there and where we are now. I really see the value of that thank you. Yeah and that's the goal you say clean. I think it's a cohesive. Look everybody's there in an individual but they're polished together and as a group cohesive deborah as we conclude you sat here for a long time with us I wanna thank you. And i don't think i'm the only one in saying thank you for saving us from ourselves and could not do not say what i'll go. I'll go one more on eliot. Every shop needs a great cheerleader. Everyone says the same thing about you. Address a million bucks. And you don't think your job ends there. You still really pompous up before we go out. Everybody says that about you. You're a great cheerleader. Deb yep you're a great team to support. I mean i've i've never had a job before. This is my first job job. And i've stayed here for over ten years. And it's because guys it's just very fulfilling the gratitude so thank you back. So can i get a penny caller shirt though about it. This was all bribery. That's what this whole thing. Take back all the compliments. Then thanks debra l. eight. Oh see see in an hour okay. Bye there. She has deb burman. We all elliott safe to say adore That woman. I don't know that i've ever met someone who is both as thorough and decisive and professional and determined and also at the same time as i mentioned at the end of the interview. A great cheerleader. For all of us like she comes to work. She has her job. We've all seen her in her office with clothes strewn everywhere and she's organizing all of it for all of and we all we come to work and it's easy. It's all laid out there for us. We don't see how any of it happens. And she works for tail off to make it so so we can just wander in. Grab a suit off the rack and your case a turtleneck off the rack and you know and just put it on and boom. You're on television. And we talked about this with the vancouver canucks. The top of the show people that are in the room that make it easier to come to work. You have someone that you see and you look forward to it or you see them in the hallway and you smile and instantly. You're happier. I know that that berman has bad days. We all have bad days. I'm sure deborah and has terrible days but you know who doesn't see it all of us. We don't see as far as i see deb. Burman never had a bad day. That's what she brings the office every day and free that is so valuable in any shop That's the burmans me man. She's the best all day for her. The expected me to argue with. You know expecting some nice about deb here. I'm sure she's listening to the podcast saying why can't wait to hear it. Elliott's going to say about she. Okay so let's do before we wrap up the podcast here you talked on headlines on saturday about the winnipeg jets and kevin chevrolet off and how he wanted to do something bigger than he did and the trade was the very last minute last monday on trade deadline just before three o'clock eastern. He makes a deal for jordan ben of the vancouver canucks but he did hint in his presser that he was looking to do something more significant and that something was jamie. Yeah you know. I think when you have a situation where gm it looks that frustrated and is upset that they couldn't do something you kind of see it as a challenge. What was it that he was trying to do. And i don't know that this is the only thing that kevin chevrolet was trying to do. But i do believe that it was one major thing and that was acquired. Jamie alexia from dallas. And i don't know what the deal was. All i heard was that it was going to really cost the jets. But they were prepared to do it. They were prepared to maybe take a bit more of a risk than they were used to doing because they figured this was a year that was worth it and they really tried and they just didn't get them and and i think the reason they didn't get him was because at the end of the day i think the dallas stars of decided they would like to keep alexia. I think they're going to work to do it. I wonder if it's going to be one of those kinds of things. That for example winnipeg signed adam lowery and i had some people said to me. Well why wouldn't they just leave him to laugh. The expansion draft and then atom not every team's comfortable with doing that. I wonder if dallas potentially would get there with alexia. But i think they're going to try to keep the jamie alexi x. Name was very much out there. And when unc jay came on monday rate almost almost right at twelve o'clock and you went through the the waiver list the waiver wire of players it has been claimed and a camera was your cj said the dallas claim. Sammy vaatainen i said. Oh yeah that may be the prelude to okay. We've got this covered. Were moving jamie alexia here. And then they said it was because of secretaries. Yeah maybe it may be. It's like insurance in case They get they're gonna move him or not. Who knows but there were other teams like toronto. Had the conversation about jamie alexia as you mentioned the winnipeg jets but it seems as if this is like it may have taken a little bit longer than they thought and you had to go to another team i but then came back. This is kind of the guy that thought they were getting when they drafted him now He played great for them last year in the playoffs. This a couple of things here with dallas. I know it's been challenging season for the dallas stars and now radulov and bishop bur officially done for the season. Rupa has been excellent joe pavelski. He's been real good. Jason robertson has been. Yeah he might win the calder. If it wasn't for capri of its he's going to be right in there with votes. Yeah i remember watching him. In junior hockey and kingston and saying this guy has an insanely good shot but the boots are going to hold him back and let me. Everybody was just like evelyn. Stand all the robertson cadman. Only he'd if his of his feet could catch up to his hands but he's been fantastic for the dallas stars As well it's been such a bizarre. Listen it's been a bizarre couple of years for the dallas stars whether it was the montgomery situation and down and bonus and bubble and stanley cup. Final to this season and no tyler sagan. I dunno to co vid. It's been a bizarre couple years. Four games with detroit this week. Yeah let's see. I wanna finish up on a couple of things to mention the toronto police a couple of seconds ago as you cheer for the great story not necessarily the team you remember when zach. Parisi wore his father's helmet and gloves back in two thousand seventeen when the wild rain. The minnesota north stars throwbacks had dad's old bucket on gloves. Is there not a part of you. That wants nick felino to word his dad's helmet in warm up when he debuts who asked him that if he was all maybe it was on the zoom call. Someone asthma will here. But i'm saying like you're not gonna wear in a game. Why not now. You won't play a no. I understand that you want to be as comfortable as possible in the game. Like you can't expect it was comfortable in that helmet. is it if he's comfortable. And the nhl approves usage of that helmet still then fantastic. I'm all for bringing that bucket back in the nhl. i dunno. I just think that that would it. Says such a cool and distinctive. look there. we don't see any more is going to jump when he scores to see so. The fleeing boys have already done that. Ray i i dunno like maybe i guess. I don't think anyone would complain. I think anytime you can get the felino leap into a and to an nhl game you take it by the way. I wonder if next gonna debut now on wednesday night hockey on thursday this week. Toronto winnipeg that's right that's We have thursday friday this week for wednesday night hockey and no game on wednesday. That's right because of the schedule so it's a little bit different A few years ago when the chr. Nhl top prospects. Game was in colona Afterwards i was sitting at the bar with an agent. And we're just bs ing and you drink I don't recall i. Wou what will juice no. No this probably would have been when i was still drinking so would have been glass of red wine. Oh okay so. We're having a conversation about his players. And i said you know as i think about all the guys you have. None of them are problems. Like i haven't heard bad things about any of your guys. And that's not always true with most agents like there's like not a whiff of controversy or problem or not liked in the room like whatever and he said. That's because i have a very very deliberate strategy for recruiting players and i said really what's that he says. I recruit from the two most low maintenance places in the world. It's my to ass rule and said what's that he goes i only recruit from sweden and scheduling because those people are low low maintenance. They show up. They work their friendly. It's their job. And then they go home focusing on scratch an-and to sask boys one thousand seven hundred and sixty seven games record this gordie. Howe and patrick marlowe are tied. You have thought. And patrick marlowe here. I have to tell you when i was younger. I was never big on longevity streaks. Like i always thought when i was in school pupil who had perfect attendance. Were losers did you. Hate cal ripken then too. I there was a time i said. What's the big deal. A guy shows up for work every day. And then as i get older i realize how hard it is to show up for work every day. Especially now when you can be felled by something. That isn't even your own fault. Right correct so i think to show up every day or as much as patrick marlowe has into last as long as he has. I don't think people realize how hard that is. So when i think about marlow i think about how hard it is to play as many games as he has now. I understand. there's lots of people to look at it and say we'll gordie howe played so many more. Ha and w. h. a. And i think there's a counter to how many games marla was lost in his career to Lockouts or covert or anything like that. It doesn't make up the number but it increases it. I just think to play that many games whether in a row or in your career it is really hard to do. And that's the thing i just respect. The most about. It is is changed my opinion on perfect attendance because i used to think that perfect attendance. I remember every year at school. They would in my high school they would give the perfect attendance awards and some of us to laugh at those people. Like what kind of loser shows up here every day. And as i've gotten older and i realize how hard it is to show up every day no. I wish i'd been a bit more mature in my opinion about that when i was a teenager. Listen i was the same way. I was like you. I always shrugged off. Oh while he's done this for a long time regardless of who it was i. It didn't impress me until i started actually talking to athletes and gotta sense of what that longevity meant to them like. What's the first thing when you when you when you talk to someone and they reference another hockey player. Oh that put a thousand games or that guy that guy played through or what that guy played through. But it's the number of teams like guys always come back to that like that is such a bad yours. I you know the hockey players hockey player the player that other players respect the stat. They that a lot of them get to like right. Away is how many games they played. That means so much to these guys. And i didn't appreciate that and fly her talking to these players and only now only now. Do i get a sense of how much that means like. People who played with steve yzerman in two thousand two. Which was the year. He won the gold medal and the stanley cup on that terrible knee injury that year. People don't just talk about that. He won the gold medal and he won the stanley cup. It was that he won playing on a knee that basically needed new. A new kind of surgery. Let respects Congratulations to patrick. Marlowe from all of us here. On tying gordie howe on sunday against vegas he officially breaks the record elliott. So there's one thing. I wanted to address before we wrap up the show. This week i had a few people who tweeted at me in a couple of people texted me and they said they went on the internet and couldn't find my white shirt picture. I talked about last week for my dating profile. So i look for. And i can't find it either like for some reason. I am going to see. If i had to switch the internet's the internet's made for this is like internet mystery like google elliott friedman white shirt elliott friedman white shirt western. I did all of this stuff. And i can't find it so i am going to try to find it so that people can see. This is really something i guess. A horrible picture of me. And and i had people say to me. If you're single now would you sob in any of the pictures from your recent appearances on sports net. And i said i probably would but i'm really going to try to find this way shirt That's awesome preach the world deserves this elliott. Let's find this. Yes it does thanks again. Speaking of our looks thanks again. For to debra for popping has a podcast and spending much more time than she bargained for with these two oaths taken us out is a band from the kitchen and waterloo area last week our producer. Amil delicate got a d. m. four bands members who is also a fan of the pod looking to get his band's music featured on the podcast. Hey all musicians. There's your psa always happy to support independent media. Send your tunes to amel and with that. Here's manic theatrics with fading away. On thirty one thoughts the podcast enjoy. Were fading a school. Say again a new get. Do love do to be way.

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Episode 406: Expansion Draft Takeaways

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Episode 406: Expansion Draft Takeaways

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Frank's our evaluator. He was basically just revealing every single thing. That was gonna happen tonight. And then we all tuned into the actual televised bent expecting that. We'd find out that some sort of trades and it turns out there as nothing at all. So i have no idea why we just spent past hour and a half watching. Yeah it's about right Although it will say the. I don't know the college football guys name With the college football guy being like you noticed that the table aragona in the first round. That was fun. I don't know you didn't have that up there. I don't know we did simulcasting on sports. Now yeah i think it was chris fowler. He was just like the steve girl. Boom rose thing is like the buffalo sabres decade without the playoffs. And he's like hey just stayed in the facts over here and he i think he cited randomly that the detroit redwings bottom five goal differential or something last year. Say that yeah it's beautiful. I love it also joining us on today's show. Sorry for the delayed intro here. It's a other good pal or co worker for both of us. At ep ringside. It's jack jack is going on man. How's it going guys. it's good. It's good it's get let's get. Let's get right into this dead. So we're according this right. After drafts concluded i think The big complicating factor for us in. This conversation is that feels. Kalisa now we kind of have a bit of an incomplete picture of what seattle is actually gonna leave this draft with in terms of the treasure just assets. We know that at least it seems like the insiders have agreed that there have been no trades in terms of like carolina. Telling them to take morgan deke. And giving them another asset so they stay away from jacob but it sounds like there will be some trades wants the trade freeze lifts on thursday morning or thursday early afternoon. Where seattle's probably gonna trade some of the players they did take today to other teams for asset. So we'll see what kind of draft picks they get and all that jazz. But i'll start with you ryan here. Where do you want to go with this thing in terms of your initial reactions of what. They came away from this draft with whether it was the right approach. You can take it any way you want. Yeah i mean. I thought they were gonna go pretty cheat like everybody was saying that. From from the get go that they were going to try to go into free agency with as much space as possible and when i put my team together i like my you know. Mock draft of it I was like oh. Wow you know you can get some pretty good players need a writer and and and Shane goss's bear. I thought was. It was intriguing option and they. They're like what if we went even cheaper than that. What if we took several guys that you know riley guy who I know a lot about the joy i feel like. I know a lot about developmentally leagues. And they were like what we took like. Three guys ryan lambert has never heard of his whole life. Direct shot at carson touring sqi. Yep him and a true alexander jones. God's entertrainer ya guide guy. Definitely kurt off A yeah i was just like all they want even cheaper than i thought And so yeah like when. I put my by By roster together. I was a few million bucks under the cap. What like with all thirty guides and they were they were they said. Now that's too. That's too expensive right jack. They at least based on cap bradley's current assembly of of figures look like they've committed about fifty two point five million cap space to in terms of nhl contracts. Attend forward seven defensemen to goalies. If got seven rfa's in the way most of them are going to be pretty cheap. So that'll make your swing a too much to you as the restaurant onto eighty and so that gives them about functionally. Let's say even in the in the low to mid twenties when they take a lot of those guys in terms of wiggle room with a full nhl roster essentially assembled and. That's much different than a lot of these other teams you current cap friendly figures. And it's like yeah. Minnesota has has twenty eight million dollars to twenty million dollars in cap space but they have like twelve players under contract right now and we're going to have to pay the two. Most expensive guys will probably eat up most of that. So it's not like they really functionally. We actually have that much money so it is a it puts them in a very unique position in terms of basically being able to go in and sort of dictate the market in terms of not. Only the excitement of all you get to be in this new market and we're gonna it's gonna be a fun story but also we can pay you the most. Do you think that that is the approach here. In terms of how they're gonna parlayed or do you think it's going to be much more of this sort of slow build where they're gonna try to weaponize it by either facilitating traits for others or you know eventually taking onto bed bad money to get future assets. Which way do you see them going with us. Yeah it's kinda strange. I mean you look at how this team was built. I think that they left a lot of guys on the table. Like like nita writer. was mentioned who i think probably could have gotten them some decent assets if they were going kind of slow build route. Like i don't really see a lot of guys on this roster who i think will return that much a trade them the one guy who really stands out his march our data and they they marched. 'em out there in jersey so i feel like they're not gonna turn around and send them to the rangers tomorrow You know i mean. I do understand the virtues of them going cheap and and i think i may have been a little bit more liberal with with cavs space than than lambert was in his mock draft. I just because. I figured that there were guys on the table. Who would be able to flip who might have a higher price tag But i mean at the same time like like. They went out there and they signed to free agents today to pretty sizable contracts. Those are the kinds of contracts that teams that are trying to compete at least somewhat would sign with adam larsson and jamie alexi ac and from all accounts. It sounds like they're going to be out there trying to get or at least could their names of the rings for big ticket free agents. So it's kinda hard to really this team and figure out what exactly it is. They're trying to do. Because i mean this roster doesn't seem like it's going to be containing for a stanley cup even if they add gabriel and has got to it. But you know at the same time if they're trying to you know it really doesn't take that much to launch them up the standings in the pacific division so i i think there's kind of a weird contradictory nature to have. This team is built from my perspective. That i i guess as free agency it goes along. We'll get some clarity on what exactly this team thinks that is. Yeah i thought there was a nice Sort of middle ground or hedge for them to go here with a lot of the picks in terms of giordano gone. Call two guys. They did take fit this bill. But i thought he'd been javy although he has the second year left on his deal. Or even max. Currently heard by nino jason soccer. You have a bunch of these guys who are are certainly useful veterans who their current capitals in this climate might be you know a tad high there teams with comfortably or gladly. Move off that money. If they could but for vegas they could bring them in. They could immediately be top line. Contributors for them and then if things went obviously if things went well and they made the playoffs. Were a great success story. You kinda ride that wave. But if things went south like let's say their inexperience goaltending they come out of it. With an eight eighty eight percent of their suddenly losing a bunch of games they can go ahead and retain fifty percent of that or whatever in flip those guys to contenders and get a bunch of those assets slightly belatedly back in return and instead they took a couple of those guys but it really seemed like that wasn't their approach direction in terms of taking shots on some of those useful veterans and instead as we talked about the the cheaper like what they did with philly was of the microcosm of where i really thought javy. Vr despite making seven million and against the cap over the next two years. was the worst wildfire for them to take and potentially either us or or or flip down the road instead. They took this guy who who buy. Your model has a one percent chance of being in a nature. Yeah i mean like the thing about kinda going. The youth direction is that just by the nature of the expansion draft like literally by the rules of the expansion draft like the young players that you have available to. You are twenty three twenty four twenty five you know. I don't see a lot of untapped. Potential a lot of the guys they took and i was. I was informed the opposite by many of the fans of the teams that they were taken from. Because every depth defenseman forward who's twenty five years old is going to be a star in the nhl someday that but Yeah i mean. That's really the thing like i look at this roster right now and with a few exceptions i think that you know not not to be too harsh delicate but the the vibe that i really get is kind of likeable. Losing team like they. There are a lot more cohesive. I think in vegas were like stylistically like they really went hard. On these kind of low event defensive forechecking hardworking. You know linked the kinds of mostly character guys. Who actually are pretty good at what they're supposed to be good at There's a couple of exceptions to that. Obviously but i you know. I think that there's going to be a lot of fan davis on this roster and and i think that there's virtue to that in terms of building a team you know like the bradenton of contract might not be our favorite. But i'm sure he's going to play well in their market and everybody's you know law people are gonna be super psyched when he runs around in his four checks but you know. I like it's cohesive but it's not cohesive in a way that i think is really gonna lead to great results right out the door and you know i. It's kind of with with the lack of side deals reaping assets that we can get into in a second. You know. I kind of have a difficult job. Seeing how this team is really going to be built up from where it stood right now in a way. That's not going to be kind of extremely painful and antique a couple of years. Well ryan i guess if you came away Liaising compared to the expansion jeff. 'cause they had similar rules but obviously Team approach differently in terms of how they wanted to handle the transactions They didn't they didn't give seattle pre tops x. Forward not did that this time. Well certainly on paper. What i was gonna same as if you left vegas expansion drafts. I like a lot of us. Were very excited about shape. Know for example. We thought getting alex talk was a really nice asset for them but like in terms of name brand value is like all right marc andrea florida. We've heard of that guy and then there was a lot of players who obviously wound up. You know stepping up and bigger roles but also similar to what seattle did year. And i think that was part of the thought process for them or guiding principle was. They had enough flexibility considering they didn't really take on any horrible contracts in crippled. Ma didn't have any baggage of past mistakes. Contractually they were able to basically year-over-year or even months at a time just keep upgrading and aggressively their team. You know whether it was even moves. It didn't work out. Like signing pastas trading for thomas tatar obviously getting patch already and stone and portray. They were able to keep upgrading getting better. And better and bringing in those those big names and big contributors to put them over the top for the seattle team. They have that opening certainly both financially also in terms of need and they have a bunch of these as jack alluded to you kind of complementary. You know hard-working defensive types. That a lot of great teams would certainly need and also prioritize. But they don't necessarily have the if you're looking at like the tampa bay model. It's like they have a lot of the literally have yanni gore but they have like blake coleman and barclay goodra types and all that good fun stuff but they don't have the nikita kucherov on paper. Here right yeah and i. I've seen a lot of people. Go well you know. Who's who's vegas. Or who's seattle's william carlson where You know he goes from like a third line role on a not very good team and he scores. Forty goals is a top line center In the first year is like yeah. i mean. Nobody would've said bill. Carlson was that guy right like nobody would said. If i'm looking at this roster the guy i think is gonna break out just absolutely nuts. Next season shoot twenty five percent whatever. It is Nobody with a gun to their head. Pick bill carlson right so You know i can totally see a scenario. Where like jared mccann goes nuts next season and he's like a thirty plus goal guy in that sort of thing but i also see a situation where it's like. Oh no he. Everybody just kind of does what we think of them doing generally And you know everybody's like twenty ish gold guy and they are not a very good offensive team but they do seem to have Jack's point earlier the horses defensively to kinda keep it. Keep it low event low scoring hockey in and try to get a bunch of two one. Wins jack when you put this list of players acknowledging that it could change. They could wind up trading some of them at the time of recording. Now when you put his collection of players interior lineup builder. What's the what's the projection in terms of the the point output next season. I don't wanna talk about it. I i just tweeted about five minutes ago that the projection that. It's it's shooting out is making me question the the mechanics of the roster builder. 'cause i just i just rejected about two weeks ago and it it saying that this say it One hundred point team so that is leading me to believe that something must be horribly wrong or is a dream thing right like they're just like well he'll just do it forever nine nine thirty goalie or whatever it was last season right like that would be the thing that would drive. Yeah i did set it. So that that his results are kind of regressed back to the mean because of how games that he's played but i i think the the big i would imagine that mccann and am black. Weller are two guys who are driving it a lot because those guys definitely had some Some pdo luck this. Season's shooting luck. That i feel like is probably getting overrepresented there but you know i think at the end of the day that the one thing that i can't take away from that before i completely dissemble the whole thing and turn it off and on again is that it does genuinely loved the blue line and i think that there is merit in. How much likes the collection of when they've put together Archer ano- is obviously on a downswing. But he's still a perfectly good defencemen could probably be relied upon on top pair. Vince done you know we've been talking about for a couple years. As as a potential entry in that kind of divine tapes category of guys. Who may be wasn't fully appreciated before and now in a new environment will be able to fully break out and You know adam larsson and even jamie alexia co. i think a lot of people are down that contract. And i think that there's there's reason for people to be very skeptical about paying a defensive defenseman for five years on a deal you know both of those players have performed very well specifically defensively in the past couple years and and a project very well as a result. So i think the ryan's point you know. This is a low event defensive team presumably if their coach properly and based on what axel set it at the press conference he said all the characters hard-working for checking stuff. So i imagine that's the kind of style they'll be playing. You know like i. This defense could definitely got out. I good number of wins and it wouldn't surprise me especially in the pacific to see them do well but I wouldn't exactly be running to the bed on this team. Finishing above ninety five points this year. I mean yeah. It seems like it's certainly that didn't happen by accident and prioritize ties it. Probably somebody just has to do with the fact that it's still is a you know a bit of a market inefficiency in the league in terms of like defensive value and trying to quantify it and actually evaluating that stuff appropriately with actual quantifiable results. Do this guy is. You know wins a bunch of face off. So he's good defensively. I was ready to be high on this team's blue line. Even before we found out that adam ours jamila we're going to be there to picks and the guys that they would sign during their negotiating window. Just because i thought that you look around the league like most teams have one really good guy maybe even two then it's like they're generally giving minutes the players who are either replacement level age all guys or even worse and for this team. It felt like at least be able to have six berry berry solid. Nhl defensemen and there's some value to that and then obviously adding larson with their defensive results. Baking into this It really puts them over the top. So i think that is certainly going to be a big time. Strength of this team going to keep them in the game. And i wonder how much that tied into the fact that they also have you know we can talk about the goals. But a lot of question marks and uncertain. Dna didn't invest a lot of resources into their goals at all and so if they're playing a lower event really high efficiency defensive brand of hockey i imagine that that kinda helps make it more palatable that they invested less than five million dollars in their cabin to their three goalies day picture. Gojira okay I will Yeah i mean. I i look at this and i think the thing that you have to say as you have to use us through the lens of is this team You know cup competitive ran no of course. Not but is this team. If it gets a little bit of shooting slash goaltending luck. Is this team like potentially the second best team in the pacific division next season. Yeah i mean it. it's that's a real possibility. I think you know you go. You go okay. Fine edmonton is going with. Mike smith migo coskun in battery. They took adam larsson from them and they just took adam larsson but like you know everybody talks about how good the oilers or last year in the regular season. That was an aberration season from mike smith. Right like he's older than me. And i'm thirty eight years old so you know i i look at that and go. Well you know the odds that they that they get that again aren't particularly great and there's only so much to the Benched players in the world can do for you if you you. If you can't keep the puck out of your net calgary vancouver. La all teams with obvious roster flaws serious questions that need to be answered this summer l. a. obviously looks like they're powering up to do something like they're going to start using their cap space and things like that. Okay but i'm not in an san jose in anaheim who cares I'm not totally convinced that like this isn't just a team. That kind of by default is like the third best team in the pacific right now. Will jack nine of the twelve defenseman. They took our left shots I imagine some of them will probably get moved. The three righties are atta marson. Wilbur oregon and kill flurry. If only there was a right shot defenseman on the open market that could help provide the offense that the spoarer group might be lacking can you. Can you think of anyone might fit that bill. A man i mean. Honestly if there was a forward group that would love to play with dougie hamilton. It would be swipe. Can you imagine these guys chasing down those rebounds for twenty five minutes a night like that is basically a dream come true. You know what i'm saying. Is that you just on that note before. Before i forget i was thinking about this with marchiano. Pick here because your dave hacksaw the last time we saw him coaching. Nhl team famously. Round like the most point shot heavy. Five one five offense in the league. He's been the assistant coach on the leafs in in the meantime and they last year they didn't shoot any point shots so i'm not sure how much of that is. Is it just the thing of the past how much that was a philosophy. He genuinely believes in. But does your donald the guy who's always like top five events men just kind of spamming from the point and man would dougie hamilton. Love playing that type of system. I mean to a dougie hamilton. Love playing with marshall. Dano again that's that's what everyone's talking about. how dougie hamilton. Apparently even though all the numbers say otherwise just can't function out there without a A amazing legendary defensive defenseman next to him. I mean he had some pretty good results of march or ano- so i wonder if if that might be fed i mean it would definitely be. You know it would make me feel a lot more comfortable in this in this point projection. But i you know again. It kind of fits into the broader picture of. What exactly does team expect to be. What do they wanna be. You know like as i. I think that you're looking at this roster how it stands if they weren't going to be making a lot of big moves and if they were going to be moving out guys for assets and not being big players for stars and free agency. You know one thing. That is definitely different for this team. Then in vegas game to leak you know. One of them is obviously a ryan alluded to which is that. The pacific division is basically the worst division that we've seen since lovie beat up the atlanta thrashers and carolina hurricanes. For five years. You know about a decade ago. But the other thing is that there is serious franchise local talent coming up in the draft in the next couple years. You know vegas basically was staring down nolan patrick's and and you know rasmussen. Lean obviously was highly tied prospect. But i don't think there was too much about who was behind him. You know jack use. These guys were hyped but not at the same level as connor and mud famous. God and even shane right. So i when i saw this roster and of the the second part of me seeing it and saying okay well the these are. This is a team that can lose. Respectably is that you know if if they decide or if the other decided not to go the free agent or they to strike out on the big names you know. I think that they can kind of be winners. Either way at the scenario because i think they can compete the pacific if they do get a big name like dougie but on the other hand you know it if they don't. I think at least that could help them build for the future. End may be better align Ryan i've seen it's been kind of positioned as a lot of teams have been unable to be active over the past however long. Because you know they were sort of in a gridlock holding pattern because they were worried about the expansion draft than he didn't wanna take on future commitments. And all that and i'm there was part of it in terms of making the protection slots spending sort of minimizing your exposure to losing good players but like the flat cap was the thing heading into the expansion draft. And it's gonna be a thing for the next couple of years. It doesn't suddenly go away now. This draft is over in. So i really did want to key in on how valuable asset the flexibility they do have is because i think it's sort of natural to especially with expectations heading into look at this roster on Pretty underwhelming and i think all three of us you know. The general tone is there's things we would have done differently and they could have been more ambitious in Kind of recouped more assets from this process but at the same time the amount of flexibility do have interpreted in terms of actual dollars and in terms of how few sort of big money shorter long term contracts. They have on their books right now. Really is something that if they play right can make an entire difference for this roster and for this franchise moving forward if they are able to use it to get one or two or even more sort of big name players. It suddenly sort of shift Perception of yeah and and the other thing too we we kind of touched on it a little bit earlier but You know. I'm not totally convinced like the thing about A i thought they'd trademark dear denoted you know. Oh we'll take a corner salary half salary. Whatever and flip them to the rangers or whoever else that made perfect sense to me but Like jack said the fact that they put him in jersey and sent him out on the stage. I don't think they're going to do that. Right so You know ma is the there are guys that they can that they can try to leverage that kind of thing with and like gordon i think The fact that he didn't show up for this. I don't maybe wanna read too much into that but all the other big money guys they got to show up. You know what i mean so well. I imagine part of it was winning stanley cup very recently. Another by was it. Sounds like he's having surgery coming up here soon. I wonder how much of that. I did. Not see about surgery thing. Alto late november until november. I think more entertained like he. I think he had surgery two days ago so it might not trying to try to met with his arm in a sling in his eyes. Get excited about the first season seattle crack hockey but this guy. Here's a guy who's gonna miss a month and a half here we go. I mean wanted if they wanted a guy with one arm they should just take in vlad. Tarasenko right yeah. The the headline on the athletic today was like chip on his shoulder. Or something. Like that. And i was like. Oh can they say that. I think he is three chips on his shoulder. And that is the issue But yet there. So i don't know i think the thing that i keep thinking about is boy. If they like someone in Who's a restricted free agent. Why not man. You know like that. That's the thing i keep thinking about is like they're they're so well positioned they're going to get the second overall pick their pick. Many banning I think is is the general consensus there and yeah. They're not here's the thing. They have all their picks right so they are able to offer sheet. I guess it kind of browns connor. What jack was just saying. In terms of the uncertainty of there's some gray drafts coming up here and they might not be good right. Committing future picks with that uncertainty with the star talent available in these next couple of draft. I guess would give me a bit positive. I guess it comes down to who who they would maybe be targeting and again like rfa's whoever sides rfa's with an offer sheet in this league like it doesn't happen so you know but i don't know if there's a guy coming out i don't have a list in front of me but if there's if there's a good player coming onto his second contract You know he's like twenty one twenty two years old they they have the ability to really make the other teams think about it. Finally i imagine ron francis getting himself frozen out of the hall of fame alumni dinners in the future but I mean that would be. That'd be very fine if they just came in right away looked at the pacific division and said oh we're not going to be picking top five for the next five years we. Yeah that's that's the other thing. That i that i kept going back to too is like there's like kind of an artificial floor to how bad they can be built into it because it's like yeah. We got to play the anaheim ducks like eight times next year. Little skates right. Yeah there's a bunch of phase right there's last pederson would be a tasty division. Can you imagine car. there's andre there's there's there's interesting routes for them to go what do you what do you guys think is the best use of that cap space. Then do you think it is our affair kind of feels like a waste of time in the nhl. And it's not going to happen. Roger probably devote our time to more realistic blueprints for them. Is it getting involved with trade market and potentially becoming involved in the jackal talks. Do you think it's closing the usa waters. What do you think. I think it'll be a little from the last two i th. I think they're going to sign a couple like why you know. Apparently they have the the green light from ownership to spend to the cap you know. Will they get all the way there. I kind of doubt it but will they. They throw a bit of money around next week. Yeah sure and then yeah just having the ability to kind of be a team that if you're if you're laundering cap money for a season well you know now's the time to do it. There are like huge expectations on you and you can kind of see what you have and maybe get an extra first round. Pick for for next season. That sort of thing. I don't know what's your what's your ideal next. Couple moves here for the kraken. Yeah i think that just anything that maximize their assets is probably the best way to go. I mean they were unable to make expansion like side deals for you know expansion considerations you know that's obviously a lot of value left on the table relative to vegas was able to do You know like we said there was there were guys who may be could have gotten them. A decent return as rentals added this year next year who they decided not to pick. So that's just more assets again back on the table. So i mean looking at kind of this team and has formulated in and the lack of kind of extra picks and that they've accumulated so far. I think that probably the best to go would be is. They're doing the faith thing. Like if they want to be in on land gog and dougie and all that stuff. I it really should be kind. You can go big or go home situation. Like there's you know they they should definitely not be looking at you. Know your filipinos are zach. Hymens or that class of ufa. Because i just seems kind of doomed to launch them right in the middle of the pacific for the next couple of years right whereas you know if they if they get dougie than great that maybe the process along they can try to do something interesting short term. And if they don't then. I think that the cafe should just be spent on basically doing what we kinda thought they would do. At the expansion draft which is taking some bad short term contracts to help some teams at a cap squeezing gang getting some extra picks in return because that is probably in their best interest moving forward to just get as many of those assets that maybe they weren't able to get early on and And help them out with a forward. Yeah i really wonder that node. How much of them. Walking away with his draft without any real Vegas asks ideals was asking for too much because it sound like a. The prices were pretty steep in terms of like. Oh give us a first in third and we won't take mark donald stuff like that and then how much of it was teams being so hell bent on not being embarrassed by by doing bad trades with them. They just like all right. Like just take one guy who are not gonna make mistakes data That's the case. Then that might limit their ability to execute on stuff like that even moving forward even after this rap yeah. It's kind of strange because you know like you said teams obviously lived through the the expansion draft. The last time they saw what happened they saw the result. And they were obviously gonna learn for it and then we heard at the same time that seattle had like you know was asking for double white teams. Were giving day as the last time around like those two. Things really never seemed compatible at all like it didn't make sense that teams would have learned from the last time but then decide to pay way board for seattle but all throughout this process. You know we heard it like a year ago. The seattle would be asking for a lot of assets and we heard it two days ago that they would be asking for like multiple first round picks per jeff considerations and stuff like that so those two things never really gelled in my head. And i i i mean i think we were all surprised to see that there were no aside deals happening but i think based on the process that we were hearing about the entire time it. It really shouldn't have surprised us that that impasse was going to happen. And i think seattle has as you know. I think a lot of people are a little skeptical about the job that seattle the today as a result of that can take a quick break here and and then we're gonna get into some specific decisions are made on the other side of things. This episode is brought to you by. Hp instant inc. No one is reading your mind. But hp instant inca knows when you're printers running low and sends you new cartridges. So you never have to think about inc save up to fifty percent you'll pay less than five dollars a month for ink and never run out again. Find out if your printer is eligible and enroll today at hp instant inc dot com conditions apply for details visit hp dot com slash instant inc spotify. We kind of set the table there in terms of expectations in our next steps and why they did what they did. Let's talk about some of the specific decisions. Yeah not necessarily as keen on spending twenty minutes talking about why they coal end instead of joining graduates from For example but i did think there was some interesting decisions that they made. So i'll go first ryan what Gimme one that either. You know you thought they do for sure your and didn't wind up doing or even you can take the other way and say you know you were pleasantly surprised or happy. That they went out. They did because it was a good pick. I guess i i am to here. In one is jared mccann which i think that pick his interesting more for how it happened. that that's obviously a player. People like us deeds the liked for quite a while. And and you know. I saw some people's today saying well. There's a reason he's on. Is i think this is a seventeen. Nhl team in his young career. You know there's a reason why and it's like yeah. I see that right like you can see where there is an argument. That may be can't play up in the lineup. But then every time he does he looks really good doing it. You know And so i thought that was a really interesting. You know like toronto kind of dairy. I mean you wouldn't. You couldn't possibly want. Jared look alexander kerr foot. who's like what. if jared mccann was like worse. He's right there you guys want him right and and seattle was like no one of the guy. Who's the good version of the guy. You said And then the other one is kelly yarn crow. coosa player. i. I've liked for a long time and i you know he's one of those guys where it's like. Wow he's twenty nine years old That's that's wild and that was more of a thing of i. Kinda can't believe nashville really like go. Crazy drained deprive seattle. Take somebody who wasn't him. Let's hit both of those jack as a as a long time jared mechanic joyer I'm i'm willing to believe that. He's not as good as you would think based off of looking at metrics or the war models or or you know future projections. He shocked fifteen percent personally. Last year he had a non violent. Five shooting percentage of thirteen point. Six an on ice by vice. Eight percentage of nine thirty one certainly made him look better than he than he probably is at the same time clearly a very useful player who can either play for you down the middle which is obviously of importance for seattle here but also kim bumps it away clear. A good shot has produced isn't a a weirder career trajectory or arc for a player. Gerry mccann where in two thousand fourteen he gets taken. One pick ahead of david pasternack then as a teenager he gets rushed into the lineups on this horrendous knocks team and doesn't looks fine for a teenage but doesn't necessarily a great results as you would expect and then right after. That first season gets trae for brands. Branson spent a couple years on ford. Are they wind up. Essentially cap dumping him and nick bucs to get off a bunch of money and take expiring contracts back in return and then now he gets traded to toronto stays on the team for a handful of days and then now off the seattle like what still only twenty five years old ryan as you mentioned seventeen team like what a what an insane trajectory for a player who is good. Even if he's not necessarily great is is clearly a good hockey player. Yeah i i definitely agree with you that you know. If you're just kind of don't know anything about the player at all and you just look at his. You know his metrics probably not getting the right sense of him because like you mentioned on shooting percentage off the charts you know he was playing with. Jeff carter when just carter scored fifty goals in five games for the pittsburgh penguins. This season and that was all because of jared mccann. Yeah exactly You know he for you know. I think he's like he was like second in goals. Above replacement for six years line is here. I saw a lot of penguins fans angrily citing that and you know again. That's that's on. I shooting they i. I wouldn't read much into that. You know the fact of the matter is that the guy that jared mccain is is a perfectly good middlesex defense i you know center slash winger who almost always eventually ends up being put on the wing and i feel like that's probably a reason that he keeps getting moved is because teams acquire him because they want him as third line or secondhand center and then he kind of eventually the coaches put him at the wedding and they lose patience with them because maybe they don't see him really as a as a particularly good winger but he's not a guy that they wanna trust center and and i feel like that's kind of a lot of what's been going on especially in pittsburgh i think they always wanted more from him offensively in terms of generating chances for his linemates and he really isn't that guy like he is kind of a generally speaking a low event guy who has a good shot and maybe that limits is upside. You know. maybe he's gonna be there william. Carlson likely alluded before. Or maybe he's going to be a decent second-line winger or third land center or you know the the real kind of benefit of of mccain is his versatility in the lineup. But i feel like it's also probably what has soured him for a lot of organizations. But i mean like ryan said. He's younger he's better and he's cheaper than alex kerfah so i don't know what made the leaves You know under the impression that they were going to be losing him or that he was. You know worth dangling to protect alex Does that stranger write from the perspective of a slam dunk. No brainer pick for seattle. As soon as he became available but when they made that trade. Okay there you know. I assume they're gonna go seven in three year in terms of production and exposed just hall and if you lose them as a valuable asset two million as a second. Pairing guy but more replaceable. Or they're going to expose curve than instead this happening because they went four and foreign expose both guys in clearly seattle was gonna take mccann and that was kind of strange thing to be like on the one hand. You could argue. Ro the leafs lost a seventh round. Pick and philip wander here. It's not the end of the world if you look at what some other teams lost. It's very palatable alternative but it seems like it didn't need to go this way and i wonder if they miscalculated or what kind of what the chain of events was led to the ultimate outcome here. Yeah i don't know i i. I've heard a lot of these bans criticized the organization by saying it's an endowment effect thing. I think that if you look at you know just an holes results You know he's kind of the ultimately the guy you know more so than curfew who the leafs did all of this maneuvering to try to protect know they had it went four or four and four specifically so that they could keep him as their top. Four right defensemen. You know i. I think that holes credentials does not defenseman are essentially. He plays in the top four and doesn't immediately burst into flames. When he's out there you know. I don't think that he's a guy who you absolutely had to keep around. I mean he's twenty nine. He's fine with the crazy thing to me right like everybody talks about him like all other. He's got so much more to give us. This follows thirty. I don't. I don't get it from from toronto's perspective where it's like you traded Because when they traded for jared mechanics like that's the curve insurance they're going to they're just gonna use him incorporates role. He's probably going to be really good playing behind matthews into varas and they have to move into the wing. They'll do it. And they were like we actually would really like a protect our fourth best defenseman. Who is eminently replaceable. it's weird they. It feels like people. Just because i guess they have a significant part of their capital two forwards and they score flashy goals. It's like oh the leafs. Are this all offense team. The asset forward and actually needs more defensemen. And it's like they need more good forwards if you look at what happened in the playoffs. And how like obviously not having joined to various heard quite a bit but like they could really use a juror mcken player on this roster and so what they did acquire my was like this is really smart trade for them and i. I didn't even know almost nothing to get on. You're like this is incredible. Great job by toronto 'em they were like. Yeah we actually don't want this player at all. There was like a beautiful like three hour window where lease fans actually liked me again and then they decided to just throw it all out for justin hall and i. I'm really mad cow do for doing that. They're almost a huge solid. There's still there's still like a child who was only does the good trades. Lula morello's still does the bad ones right like that's how that's how we have to think about it quickly. On the yarn croak thing another smart pick by by seattle one year left two million. I believe pretty much like the type of winger. I don't think he's gonna play center despite the team's needs immoral wing this grid type of player. Everyone and i think if they wanna flip them they'll certainly have plenty of teams lining up for him is defensive metrics last year we were off. The charts is fantastic. I thought the hilarious take away from this. Was that the predators protected three forwards in two of them were lukanen antenna. Geno like i know. I think nicholas lori is still being protected. Was the craziest thing that i saw. But that was a close second in terms of going. The five defense in two of those floors. Be now like if you're to know. Tanner gino's way do that. Why are you panic. Trading viktor arvidsson for seventy cents on the dollar three weeks ago like do you wanna hear my theory. The predators do not know what they're doing they have no idea what they wanna do. Next season They don't know what they didn't know what they wanted to do. Last season They should have blown it up. but then They got the hottest goaltending the league for three weeks and they said you know what we're all in baby. We're we're gonna we're gonna try. We're going make a couple of trades at the deadline We're gonna lose in the first round. Nobody's going to be surprised and then Yeah i mean they. They moved on from brian. Ellis and and. I don't know i didn't really get that trade either for them but Yeah i just looked at that. And i was like yeah. They don't they don't know what they have on this roster at all they just know they don't want what it is. Yeah i mean. I can't imagine that anybody in that organization felt like proud when they submitted that like. They're looking at the list right. We have one forward in the entire organization that is like an actual like property. Die for that. We don't want to give up everybody else find. Take them like that. You know i. I mean like the thing with with the i it is that it's it's the smart pickup for seattle. But i mean like it was the only die stupid pickup for seattle. I saw so many people in the past five days. Who had ryan johnston matt to shane confidently as their number one centers and that never made an absolute sense to me unless you know david poile realized that he was seventy three years old and sent them their next ten years of first round picks to get out of those deals like you know i mean that one was only obvious to be from the jump but apparently there was some some donation about whether or not that was actually going to be the case but in any event regardless of how young creek place i think he fits the roster very well. He's clearly part of this philosophy of the group of put together. And i think that they'll be or the happy with them. No matter where he fits in. I agree jack. Gimme gimme a couple of your most interesting for either gutter batteries. So i i mean it's done is is a guy who we've we've touched on a little bit a another case where i think that there was a bit of a battle between the or highly priced. Name-brand guy and a kind of lower in the lineup player. I had so many saint louis. Blues fans come at me for presenting numbers that say that he is good at suppressing scoring chances and they send me youtube compilations of him getting walked and earn overs. And all this stuff. So i think more than anything like i am incredibly curious just to see him on a different team. I get really is one of those situations where i i wanna see if this is a legitimate situation where we've been missing something horrible above it's on this whole time or whether it's going to be a thing where everybody in seattle loves this guy and they're all buying jersey and everything and san luis lose fans are saying. Oh well he sucked when he was with us but you know oh and now he's good as he busted learned something from archana thing to cinco seen like the the no brainer especially when it was announced that he was gonna be unprotected just based on name value seven point five million capital for the next two seasons makes nine point five mill in real dollars this year. And i don't really know how to evaluate him are moving forward because he in his prime was clearly one of the most lethal and just consistently great goalscorers in the league where it year in year out. You could count on thirty thirty five goals from him over the past two years though. He's got seven goals in his past. Thirty four games over that stretch shot six point two percent last year in. It's not like oh that's you know that's a that's an outlier. He's gonna bounce back because you could argue that a big reason for that was because he has one functioning arm basically after all his shoulder problems and his shop overall change in the process. And if he's not getting to the same areas a doesn't have the same velocity and zip on his shot. Then we should expect that to bounce back and if that's the case it's a real stay away in terms of the dollar head now. You could argue that. They could've taken him potentially retained and flip. Because there whether it's fairly or the islanders. I believe there will be teams that are interested in tarasenko services and and hoping that they can get him back into four goals gordon forum but i really thought you know just the way. The discussion was framed. Turns like vladimir cinco you have to take was missing some really important context there. Yeah and and i mean i mean this is kind of a fortunate situation for them because i unlike some other situations are other teams where they had what unquote tarasenko available and they decided to take. Echr's you know they at least did get a legitimate. You know offense. Anyone with upside who. I think that they'll be able to hopefully get some value out of so. That was definitely one that i that i find interesting. I think that the the two free agents. Also i was definitely taken aback by i. Think one factor that i. I didn't really consider when i put together. My mock team was the idea that they were gonna be legitimately laying free agency and and putting together options like that and then i think that The other one that maybe is me. A little bit was taking on jordan everley adding that there was a lot of discussion around the fact that the islanders were so clearly. Just desperately trying to get rid of cap space you know to the extent that they traded a pile of picks to arizona to take on andrew ladd. And now you know we find out that you know they just have moved. Essentially a thirty one year old player who signed for three four years making five and a half million and they're just able to unload that contract for free. I was very surprised that the honors were essentially able to get away with that. And that you know of all the type that type of player that was available to seattle abberley was the guy particularly they targeted. Even if i think that everley is is a perfectly effective player and and i think that he's he's definitely going to be the most talented offensive player on this team. See the condition for the third round. Pick that is going. Arizona in that lad trade. What the requirements are. It was bizarre. It was a. I might be getting it wrong. But it was either lad Appears they don't get the pick like the islanders don't have to give up. The pick of lad appears in one game in twenty two twenty three to basically. He can't retire but he also can't play for them. That's what i'm saying. So it was like a situation of They he just has to be l. Teared is that pretty much. I guess they buy them out. Conceivably kills them. That would be but it was a it was a move. I i thought our. I mean i think the difference here is so the islanders shed like what fifteen or sixteen million in cap commitments for next season. I think in burley's case listen. It was necessary because they're gonna have to pay pellet probably spring back sarokin me They wanna bring back. Paul mary after the success he had for them zico so they have a lot of money that they need to allocate moving forward abberley though like unlike those other two contracts they moved. I think they really will miss him. Because aside from its strong underlying numbers. He's just like a consistent goalscorer per team that needs it had fourteen five one five goals last year which retired with mark. Stolen david pasternack important. Alex ovechkin he is a good player. Who clearly had success with members allen. I guess they're thinking okay. We can just play leo komarov and whoever else with And get success out of them. But i think it's they needed to move the money but it's not like they're moving a bunch of like dysfunctional money and all of a sudden they're going to be better off for like i think it'd be tough for them to replace that even with the five point five million. They've cleared now the islanders. You know what we lost a guy who had fourteen five on five goals we have other guys who can put the puck in the net. That will be like the new york islanders like this. Is this light this. This seem the everley thing i got. Obviously why they exposed him in that sort of thing But this seemed like another thing. Like we dare you to take jordan everley instead of josh bailey. You won't do it. They're like you're right we we're gonna we're gonna take guy jordan never died. Who is good. If and then they brought him out in jersey and you know he's another guy like a just a really. This is the other thing. I kind of noted that like a really likable layer. Like fun to watch that and just seems to have like a bit of a personality in a league. or that's the at a premium. I think you'd say the second. The second oldest player behind mark giordano but only has three years on his deal. I think it's You know not prohibitive enough. That and clearly they felt it wasn't but My my big talking point here is what they decided to do. Net would the goalie options in the pro is they have less than five billion dollars in cap commitments on. The three guys took which is great. Because i think all three of us agree that the most volatile at least predictable position and while it's obviously very important. Any of these guys could wind up being really good. And so i'd rather go this route than investing. Whatever absurd amount of money. It would have taken to to bring carey price aboard. Though he's three goalies have seventy seven career. nhl starts combined. And i thought that you know the one makes plenty of sands. I thought even the check makes sense. I was very surprised that they did in daycare boakye From the minnesota wild agree house also moderately surprised. I guess when they realized they could sign jamila. They decide to go that route. But i would've potentially medicals we need. We need to see the medical needs to be approved but maybe even give ben bishop rashad given how low of a commitment that is over the two years. But you will see. I mean. there's a lot of big name buildings that are going to be available this off season especially in the free agent market and if they have the cast base they could be an interesting fit for high cap hit low term on a bunch of those guys and so maybe they'll go that route to bring in someone who's a bit more reliable but it's a risk but as time we've talked about the defensive metrics that we expect this team and it might just be fine if christopher's legit all of a sudden you have a great deal on him and he can play a bunch more games and you're going to be set so think it was the most most interesting for me just because it fits in very unbranded with his team in terms of like i'm interested but ultimately it could wind up not being nearly as good as we think. Yeah i i think that's right. I was pretty surprised That canon didn't get picked off carson. Suzy i don't really have a strong feeling about one way or the other. He's like in his mid to late twenties. Fine and yet. I mean you know i i. I think that these were the three best goalies. You could get Do i wanna say this like if you if you're like yea goaltending. Whatever happens happens like these are the three best guys you can get that price point. You know what i mean right and then yeah i it just it frees up money to to do whatever else you want to including Go out and get a goal like there are going to be by research teams in november. Please take our Ex overly expensive backup goalie because we have this other guy. Who's who's who's just better but you think about the situation that check. Yeah i mean. I like chris trigger you know. Obviously he lights up all my charts bright blue because he's played like five games and had five shutouts in them You know i. I think that it's obviously rolling the dice. You look at the the comparables for drinker. Based on what he's done so far and you know you see some somewhat encouraging names like anton khudobin and martin jones early martin jones will say And then you see others like you know scott darling that i you know if you're talking about twenty six year old goalies who have had really great results in tiny sample sizes who get signed a multi year deals by ron francis. It's of hard not to think about a niche market in that case. Yeah exactly. I think i'm pretty sure it's only two guys. But i don't quote me on that but Yeah i mean it's exactly what ryan said you know. They were in a position where they basically had to take. They could lock themselves into carry price and sell a couple extra jerseys which apparently is the most important thing that any team can possibly do and building for the future Or they could just give themselves accident flexibility and it seems like that's what they did so i i don't have any issues with how they approach the goaltending and if everything goes completely south i don't think it's the end of the world And and if it works out. I mean any of those three guys theoretically could end up being legitimate goalies because it's goaltending who knows what's going to happen so i yeah you know i can was a little bit unexpected but I do feel the need to to give carson shout out for leading all defensemen. Npdor in the past two seasons combined with a one zero five point nine or something. The things he does well that seems like a good thing to target him. In units donskoy shooting percentage last season managers. The two of you in a twenty seven year old defenseman posted a league whereas thirty six percent on ice expect goal share last year and quite visibly dragged down every single person's numbers that he shared any ice time with. You mean the guy who's gonna fix my seattle a war roster builder projections by putting him on the second pair. Ray i might just skip fixing the model and just by by putting him there. I also worth pointing out The son of paul mcdermott. Who played with. Ron francis on the hartford whalers in the late eighties. It's anybody was wondering for all there's always one right. There's always one where it's like. You know he actually. He's been to seattle twice. So this is this. The connections have always been an yeah. I mean listen ultimately like it's not gonna make or break them wasn't a greatest Out on blake lozad and kill or crawl but that one was a weird one. I thought the gatt beyreuther pick from columbus was was a bear. Wild considering a twenty-seven-year-old usa with twenty eight career games to his name. Similarly i think kind of what we talk about what they're saying. Initially it was like whoa there. Of course they're gonna take max domi and then immediately whenever you talked to anyone in league. It'd be like yeah. They're definitely not taking on because he might be out for the first half of the season and who knows what he's gonna look like at that point and they might not even be able to flip them so it's just not worth it thought whether it was the google and lot of smoke around amer or kevin love interested in. I thought there was like they could've at least gotten an interesting young player in return instead. They went this route in that. When we find out that there was no us ideals to take gavin baylor. It's like they intentionally did so. This was their own doing. I found that one. It'd be very bizarre. Nba reuther a Who now that. I think about it. Let me look this up really fast. But a classic guy who was like twenty three years old playing college hockey and look incredible. You know and i wanna say around that time. There was some pretty serious interest in him from carolina. I don't i think the ultimately signed with dallas. If i'm not mistaken But like i feel like i. I heard the carolina was like dams kid rocks and it makes sense. He's a he was a highest score in defenseman in college. Hockey so That's the kind of guy. Carolina likes well speaking of the geeky. Pick that one for me and unless to deal with the player himself could do it as an interesting vile I just thought whether it was. You know jake beat in terms of upside slash potentially being a For them or need rider similarily as a trade ship with only one year left deal. I thought it was kind of a coin for between those do but there was no other options. They just came out of left field. Geeky i imagine the hurricanes themselves are are very happy with that being the outcome so they can keep both of those two other players instead and you know. There have been rumors for weeks. Warren fogel on out. And now maybe he doesn't is the the latest i think i've heard Mean clearly the guy just like geeky. I think that's fueled trying to take away from that Yeah i mean. Carolina in columbus arcana the two teams where. I thought they had a pretty straightforward. You know take him in flippin player on the table and they decided to go with the okay maybe this guy will compete for the first call up by or or in case you know. Maybe he'll be a fourth liner on this team. I mean just kinda two situations where where it really seems like. Okay there there has to be some kind of side deal going on here and then the dust settles and it's like. Oh no they really liked i. I'm not even going to say his last name. I gathered whatever or very better. Get to know that name. Yeah no exactly it's But yeah i think the thing. Don't me was was a little strange to me because i was hearing all the same things that you worry about you know. Oh there there may be looking at stenlund or they're looking at coupon or or whoever it is at the thing is kinda strange too because you know i mean he's going to be inserted your i think he's projected to be out until late november. You know i made was kellyanne croak. They both the same term left on their contract. I i would have imagined that the upside of maybe adding a couple even just a couple of weeks where you take max domi out of the john tortorella columbus system and let him just kind of be the peer off guy that that he clearly has been for his entire career might have been burst something but yeah i you know it's the same thing with with the anita is like here's your rental obviously rental. Obviously we'll get you a second or third round pick at least and They just say no. We're going to get our fourth line center of the future which i guess speaks to the kind of team. They're trying to build. Yeah yeah diving. There were a number of those choices. So it'll be interesting to see what amtrak you'd be more news to come out of this but i think that are the best. We've got here in terms of what we know now. Was there any other notes on the expansion. Jaffer decisions players involved or anything that he wanted to to get. Get two hours here. Yeah the i did. I did wanna touch a little bit more on the whole carey price thing. What was that all about. Finally a program hockey program to talk about kerry prices seattle. I know i get it. But but like i just did people really think seattle is gonna take carey price knowing that. He may miss a good chunk of time next season. Knowing what the cap commitment would be knowing that it's an analytically inclined organization and You know The the analytics people will be like kerry prices not worth anywhere near what he's getting paid like that would just be. Oh like you walk down the hall. What are you guys. Leave carry price like they go. No and you close the door. Like that's the that's the end of the discussion in kerry prices. Dad didn't even play for the carolina hurricanes in the late nineteen nineties so that it doesn't even make sense. I thought i really thought they take the null from from montreal and inside with alexi ac and but that one rumor that got shot down yesterday so try to give negative goals next season. They might do it. I mean here's the thing. I didn't buy for a second there actually considering price Freedom reporting about how they're sort of trying to play a game of chicken and see they can squeeze anything out of To do to stay away from price and he was the wrong. Gm to be trying to play that game than he played very well where he got to keep allen and basically gave away a player that i think he's very comfortable giving away in this process. But i mean come on like prices hold thirteen million i think in real salary next season is signing bonuses. Paid out yet is a full. No move clause even if he got taken ten point five million capital over the next five seasons not to mention the fact that he hasn't been the goal. He was as past season at any point over the past couple of regular seasons like it was it was a fun story and i think it would have been a very chaotic outcome and twitter would have been amazing if it actually happened but i like. I don't know maybe it's a cynical party. But i didn't second actually let myself believe that they were really entertaining. The idea of taking care of draft. Yeah no definitely. Not i. I mean one thing i we just back up and just kind of appreciate that. This is presumably the last expansion draft that we're going to get for quite a long time. I think part of the entertainment value. The entire thing was just that this was just an explicit moment that you don't usually see where you just have to opposing organizations clearly just playing competing insiders against each other like it was just this kind of weekend long game of chess where carry were the people that were kind of you know halves beat reporters are. Maybe you know montreal jason reporting about all these injuries and always he's going to have to go to the doctor because his arm has fallen off and all this stuff and then two hours later you would hear. Oh well seattle is actually you know. They're looking into the finances than the owners given him the sign off and it just basically went back and forth like that for three different days. I do appreciate that. We just got to see all the kind of behind the scenes machinations that you get a little bit of especially during like rfid negotiations but it was just kind of two competing teams just right out there in the open for like five days. I like it. Okay let's let's. Let's let's summarize. Our general sorta tenor or told her feeling heading out of this. I think is sound like we're all sort of you know a little bit. Underwhelmed feel like they could have been more ambitious but at the same time leaving the door open to see what's the comment also realizing that they did some good stuff as well like i feel like it could have been better but also like there weren't any necessarily catastrophic bicker. You're like what was going on here like even the questionable means where the alternatives weren't so good that they missed out or anything back. Yeah it's about. I feel like for the most part you know. It's about what i expected. It'll be a pretty good team. Yeah i think. I- barring a total total goaltending meltdown. Or just like they don't have a single guy who can put the puck in the net. This this feels like a bubble team to me in that division at a minimum. Yeah yeah i mean it would have been kind of hard for them not to be admittedly but yeah i mean like the the thing is that like i feel if they weren't gonna go the star power route Which which they obviously didn't like they passed on price and tarasenko and all those options now they definitely went the likable route for marketing. Like i don't think this team is going to have any problem. Marketing complex. Like they're going to be fun to watch. They're going to be hard working. You know there's going to be you know double digits of fan favorites So i you know. I think overall if this team is bad it's gonna be bad in kind of a respectable and enjoyable way and and if they're good than as found money and it definitely have some good ended an interesting pieces on this stance all right like it. Sounds like we're in agreement Plug some stop ryan. You can go. Jackie jump and after what a what ninety days. Where can people check out. Tomorrow i will be writing by my monthly power feelings column for ep rinkside and i will also be recording just in time for the for the The transaction embargo to not left. We will be recording. The latest episode of puck sube So you'll just get to hear me say all this stuff again boy crazy there that we don't know what they're gonna do yet nuts now. Well there's only while still get to have zakheim take. I guess oiler shouldn't do this. I mean you're assuming that frank surveys going to leak every single trait. That's going you know what during the episode. Here's crossed i need. We need the content. I i'm gonna plug algal cycled ep. Rinkside i don't know if you guys have heard of it but pretty good. It has has a handful of pretty good writers on it. I'm going to be writing a what was supposed to be a free agency. Preview of zach. 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Ring-A-Round The NHL?

Starcastic Remarks-The Only Dallas Stars Fan-Led Podcast

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Ring-A-Round The NHL?

"You're listening to the hockey podcast network your home for hockey talk covering every team in the nhl download at the hockey podcast network dot com or wherever you get your podcast. Wrong draft king. Sportsbook is not only my favorite sports book. But also america's top rated sportsbook speaking of america. Our top athletes are over in tokyo right now. Competing for the gold medals in draftkings has a metal worthy offer just for my listeners. Listen to this great offer. Place any pre event wager of one dollar to be eligible to cash one hundred dollars in free credits. If america wins in any metal this year. That's one hundred to one odds on an american athlete to stand on the podium. Receive gold silver or even bronze this week. One hundred to one odds on an offer like this doesn't come around often. So sign up for a draft king sportsbook now to get in on all the action. I love using drafting sportsbook. 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We're gonna start getting down to the nitty gritty and all the stuff everybody welcome. I'm gonna say halo again. Because chris made fun of me on the last episode for it. And so you know what whatever so anyways welcoming guys This episode is going to be mostly dedicated towards the Nhl side of the of the nhl rather than just the stars so this is going to focus a lot on know where everybody is. Now we're not going to go into crazy depth we may hit a couple of highlights but for example like goaltenders. Holy crap was carousel. this year. Anyways chris I'll let you have the floor. How you doing hello. I am great essay halo. Nah so don't okay all right well. What do you want to get started with. I chris because we got three things to talk about we can do. The we can talk about. The the draft picks of the stars got. I can do free agency or recent traits where you went start with. We knew the draft. I because that's the thing i know. Okay all right so this is just a quick rundown of all the players. The star selected From the twenty twenty one. Nhl draft so and then we'll go into a little bit of detail. What some of these. Some of these guys. I had no idea even trying to find info about these guys but Anyways first round twenty third overall center. Wyatt johnson sickened round. Forty-seven overall logan stink oven. That's an awesome name sank of and And the third around sorry. The third pick for the stars in the second round forty eighth overall so the forty seventh in the forty eighth. Our team grew sneak off. That's one russian that we still like did. He's a defenseman. Third round seventy third overall airton. Martino i hope i pronounced that right left winger next third round seventy nine. Th overall justin attell fourth round one hundred and eleventh overall khanna roulette fifth round overall one hundred and thirty eighth jack bar fifth round one hundred and forty third overall jacob holmes. Sixth-round hundred seventy fifth overall francesco. Archery i hope i pronounced that right again and then seventh-round over two hundred seventh overall albert sco berg. I hope i pronounced sat right again. I'll look that up or like. I have no yet to say that so out of all these players that was one two three four five six seven eight nine ten guys. This is the busiest that the stars have been in the nhl draft in a very long time and of these ten guys. Eight of them are kinney canadian. Excuse me and one is russian. That's artem gresh nikolov in our seventh rounder. Mr albert is swedish so they were very very very busy in the nhl entry draft. Chris get anything to say about any of these guys. I mean for overall. I really liked the play of getting a lot of draft picks especially since we have vet new core that we see now with bureau and and like that rebels daily part of the part of that now too but now that we have those core guys. We need to find guys philip around them. And that's where these guys are gonna come in. And and that's why especially in this draft like i mentioned in the last podcast. Having lots of draft picks is really great. I really like all in We've talked about this extensively over. the past. Several weeks is that this particular draft is a complete crap shoot so honestly the more darts you had aka draft picks the more chances you have to hit the board which based off of what. I've read a lot of media. Members are very impressive with what the stars did in have ranked the stars among one of the best drafting teams from this twenty twenty one. Nhl draft so that makes me very very very excited for the future for this class Hopefully this is like the twenty seventeen class. We'll see that would be very nice so anyways. Let's start off with the. Let's just start off with white johnson so why at johnston is a center. He's six one. He's one hundred seventy eight pounds so he's a tall guy but kind of link. He'd probably needed to bulk up a little bit before he gets to the nhl level. But what str- struck me about this. This kid particularly was that he plays a full two hundred foot game so there are some comparisons to like mark stone kind of maybe not at the same level as mark stone because obviously mark stone went higher in the draft. But this is a guy that could play a good two hundred foot game and that's something that the stars don't really have right now. I like it. I i definitely think getting someone who is obviously being at six one and only one seventy eight. He's obviously pretty lanky like if he feels out. There's no there's no telling where he could really do. So i really liked the pick. It's a high high ceiling but there's also a low floor. I think so. We'll see how this goes in and and you know these these late first round picks are not like the top three or top five where they could possibly jump into the nhl immediately. So this guy i mean. He's he's probably going to take a while before he gets into the nhl. I would maybe say four years max. Maybe three years. Maybe we see him in like three years. I harleys fixing to push the door down. We drafted him only a couple of years ago. So we'll see how that goes with wii johnson Just some other things about him is that he's got he some. Some things i've read is that he possesses a high hockey iq. He reached the play exceptionally well on both sides of the puck. So this is a guy that you know. The stars are missing. We don't have somebody like this. Within our organization we have guys that are really gifted offensively and guys that are really gifted defensively. Not really like a mix of both. We don't have a mark stone type player in those guys are very very valuable and i think we possibly picked one up and white johnson next guy who that i got some info about him. Is logan stink oven. The i mean. I i can imagine if he ever makes the nhl. Which i hope he does he. He's around the same time around the same area where rope. A hints was drafted. I hope he makes it because that is just as i. I can imagine t shirts being sold with that last name like that. That's absolutely awesome. Dan goven a love. it anyways This is a guy that if we had salmon he would probably enjoy talking about. This kid is five eight. He's the only guy that is under five nine in the stars draft class twenty twenty one and he's only one hundred and seventy pounds so i mean that just goes to show you how linke wyatt johnson is himself. 'cause i mean he's like what six inch not six inches probably about four or five inches shorter than why at johnston. And he's only about eight pounds lighter so Y lebron's is going to have to bulk up but anyways about logan. He's a high offensive player. That generates chances on most shifts possesses a very good shot with an excellent release very good play making ability and vision. Timely offense of hockey since to generate chances. A good motor and competes hard so Some reading that. That kind of reminds me of like brennan gallagher in some of the smaller players that the the montreal canadians have within their organization. Like maybe even like a coal caufield leg player. That'd be awesome. Yeah i mean. I don't know much about him. Ano- being a five eight guy like you have to be better substantially than anybody else to be picked up in the draft just because especially for drafts Especially this season even like just that numbers gonna turn away so many people so you must be pretty good. If he's this high up in the draft being that small so hopefully he can live up to it. Well oh my gosh. That's me to do that. Or is that a complete attentional. The other thing i wanted to mention is the fact that with this next pick the stars actually were able to grab more guys out of this draft because of the fact that they traded their fourteenth overall pick to the detroit red wings and were able to get three picks in compensation for that for trading down in in the first round. So gay for us. I i think that gave us way more darts. And i'd love what we got so amazing trade amazing trade So speaking of we got the very next pick which was the second round forty eighth overall so we had three guys in the top fifty. Which that's that's pretty. Decent at two second. Round picks is pretty is speaking of second round picks the arizona coyotes have you seen how many draft picks they've been getting over the past couple weeks. I'm not joking law. It looks like it. Looks like the general manager for Arezzo coyotes is playing mode on. Nhl twenty one. I'm not saying. I'm you think he's got like five. Second round picks nex- next season. It's is something insane like that. But anyways when you trade literally all of your players that i wanted i wanted carnival garland so bad i love kerner garland anyways are tim grece. Nikolov goes second round. Forty eighth overall. There wasn't much. I could find about this kid but The stars liked him seeing some of the film but they were able to see He played in the junior leagues over in russia. And he will be playing for hamilton bulldogs in. Oh l. coming up this year. He's a demon. He's six to one hundred and ninety eight pounds so pretty big boy and compared to wyatt johnston. That's he's got twenty pounds on. Why at johnson so big boy on the back end so you can't go wrong with that having you might could go wrong with his russian because that's always a question mark if they could go back to the hashtag. Exactly it's it's worth the risk. I guess especially since he's already playing in the in the jails in the cage clicks quick side tangent is comprised of worth the ten eleven million dollars. He's he's trying to get no is capris off that important to the minnesota wild that if he really so if they're not club contenders if they don't sign him in mind i don't think they are even playoff contenders if they don't sign them in my opinion so either gonna make the playoffs but not in the central division. Not we you gotta you gotta think back to these new divisions anyways. I got a couple more guys. I wanna mention the last one. I really wanted to mention was ayrton artan. I don't know i'm just gonna say ardent because it makes more sense arts and martino third round seventy third overall. He is a winger. Who's a little on the smaller side. So he's five eleven hundred sixty pounds You know anything about him chris. Based off of what you've seen no i. I can't pay. I pay attention to so much stuff until the draft. I can't i can't. I can't tell who's good in in our league stuff. I'm like skate around. Everybody's pretty good. You should be the first round note fifth okay. I don't know what's going right. So this is what i got from. Nhl dot com. This is their scouting like quick scouting profile. You know four or five six fragments. He they wrote an excellent skater. That quickly gets into top gear to create separation with or without the puck a highly skilled offensive player that consistently makes creative plays in create scoring chances quality finishing ability. Both off the rush with speed in tight slippery and difficult to contain so i. I know that we just talked about that. Kinda of gives me some capris vibes breeze off his very creative with the puck. And you know he can create some separation and in places that Others can't so yeah so sounds like he's biggest attribute escaping from obviously if that's the first thing that they that they put yes i agree with you there and honestly in league the only way you can be successful is if you have at least decent skating. You can't even have par skating anymore. I mean that was one of the reasons why everybody was scared to drafted jason robertson because jason robertson had all the right tools. The only thing he didn't have skating and over the course of the past couple of years he built that up and he was able to to get that now. Jason robertson is not the flashy kind of player like It says martino is but he's in the right spot at the right time so hopefully hopefully martino. We can see more of him closer as we get further on into the years. Maybe we'll see you ministers so that's the only thing that you think about this. You read up on these guys you get attached to them because they sound so good and then they then some of them never end up playing the nhl. I mean even the neither. Yeah sometimes even the first round picks versus round pick sometimes never even playing the nhl. so anyways. That'll that's going to do it for that. So let's get into. What do you want to do next. And what are you free agency or you wanna do trades. I maybe easier to do. A suit trades okay. 'cause there's a lot i mean. There is a ton before before seattle happened. So so i mean you. We'll just go back and forth you pick one. We'll just talk about it and see what happens. You're amigo i. Yeah okay. I talk about is Is a pretty. I wouldn't say it's a minor one but it's not a giant one. The rangers acquired forward barclay goodra from the davy lightning in exchange for a seventh round. Pick in a lot of people would be like seventh round pick. He's worth more than that will. Yeah but he was. He was an unrestricted free agent. So basically what. The rangers were were paying for is early rights to sign. I honestly so the thing about barclay though is the the contract. He signed was absolutely massive. it was way more than i would have ever expected it to be so I think it's a good move for the new york rangers. They need somebody in the bottom six. They can do like that. But i'm not that cap it honestly well. What's your thoughts on that. Yeah that cap. It seems kinda crazy. So i'm not really into it but people are just paying army limb for anybody who's been playing in tampa for the past two years so i get it but it seems still seems kinda crazy all right your turn what you got okay. So i've got a really good trade kind of but so i have new jersey acquiring ryan graves from colorado before the expansion draft and that was for Forward mikhail mao massive. Yeah sure and is in a second round pick but that's a good trade for new jersey. They get ryan graves for not that much and that just makes colorado avalanche worse. So i wanna talk about it. Because i like that overall i think colorado d get worse. Got better with any of the transactions that they had and we'll get to here in a second but they had a massive hit a recently. So okay my turn. I guess let's keep going and let's go with most of these. Were kind of before all this mentioned this when there's not much to talk about with this one but the the sharks acquired eight and hill eight and hill was my pick that Seattle was gonna take from the arizona coyotes in the arizona. Coyotes got a another goaltender. Joseph coroner in a second round pick so that's a that's a minor one But another one. I wanted to talk about was So this is of a two in one kind of deal. So what happened was Philadelphia acquired ryan. Ellis who. that's that's a big guy. That top four national predators played with the yosi quite a bit and he got traded to from nashville to philadelphia in exchange for philip myers in forward nolan. Patrick so nolan patrick. Just kinda wanted out of philadelphia needed a new change of and it seemed like you know that it was a good fit for him in nashville but nashville then turned around and immediately flipped him to vegas and vegas traded cody glass so four nolan patrick. So like both of these guys nolan. Patrick coated glass. I guess that their teams soured on them because they they were decent. They were decent prospects in the i. Guess they just haven't fully lived up to their What each team thought was going to be better. So maybe they're boettcher slate. Here take this guy and you give me that guy. sure why. Not so thoughts on that weird weird go figure. I add up all right. I'll get the first the first big one and going to lead into the free agent thing. So you're gonna say now. Blackhawks acquire seth jones for a for. They acquired jones and a first round pick and six round pick from the columbus blue jackets in exchange for adam book. I name Bo quist the second round pick in a first round pick in twenty twenty one and then says jones signs the crazy contract. They're stealing kept contenders. No christian i. They might make the playoffs. Finally now i don't. I don't get that narrative. I i don't understand everyone's talking about oh chicago okay. Let's do this to because we've already gotten to it kate. So so we talked about the trade for seth jones going to chicago. We saw that coming. Because caleb jones is now there and then vegas flips. Marc andre fleury for hack nine in or whatever. His name is everybody everybody remember his name. Because there's going to be like some day like jeopardy for the double jeopardy question that's going to be. The answer is who is who is gonna treat marker energy flurry traded for when he went from vegas to call Chicago the vezina trophy show. Winning goalie gets traded for literally nothing. This guy played in both the e. C. h. o. In the ahl this season that makes no sense whatsoever. Absolutely no sense in in in the worst part about it is the fact that marc andre fleury wasn't even notified about the straight from either a in most of the most of the. I guess you could say the bad stuff should go to vegas for this. But chicago's in on this to if you're gonna trade the guy. That's the team's responsibility to do that. Not the not the team. That's gonna receive him 'cause like chicago going to jeopardize not getting the deal. That's not on them. They're trying to get mark andrea flurry. And if they tell mark andre floor and he he gets mad ownership the maybe they don't make the trade like that's my happen but it's all on. It's all in vain. I liked vegas when they first came to leo's like i was pretty cool. You know but now. I don't like them they suck their for. An office is kind of screwed over flurry. From the moment he stepped there he was never bad goalie and they never had full faith in him really in the net after that first season for whatever reason so i very much just like vegas. I think what they did was really awful And i think that's gonna. I think you're gonna notice and they're not gonna think highly of vegas's management for a while so i think they're payback's come in. It just won't be very noticeable form. I you know. I've almost wanted vegas to win the cup. When they're against the caps right. I mean who who could who could have written a better like cinderella story like nobody expect the better. Oh the story was alexander. Roger elliott alexandra radulovich. Alex alexander ovechkin. Winning the cup was. This was the better store. Okay that's still true. But the the thing about the vegas golden knights. They came in as like the misfits freight the their. They were the team that they're the group of players that nobody wanted right the and they were just cast off so whatever and especially some of them. Some of them were sent to vegas. So that vegas wouldn't choose other players right so the in now. They've lost that. The i mean they lost that after especially the first year but after the second year is pretty much gone in now though. This team like they've got all these great players and it's everything but the the word that keeps getting thrown out there that i keep seeing on twitter through the media. Is this loyalty. There is absolute no loyalty to players. If you play for the vegas golden knights. I think that's gonna come back and bite them later. I mean. I don't think it's going to be tougher for them to sign free agents. I i think dallas has had a really good a really good time of resigning. Older kennedy care about him layers like because we're giving them the no movement no movement clause and like the kinda handcuffs us sometimes but it's not terrible otherwise we're not getting the handcuff is a little bit. It's not like terrible terrible exactly so it's worth it so we'll use the suitor example. It's worth it for us to get suitor. Give him peace of mind. Make him happy as a person to have him on this hockey team for a couple of years and to be a good player for at least a couple more years to give a chance of the cup and at other teams other players will see that. And we'll see that we are giving people what they want like. Also you're wanted is a stable place to in his career. That's exactly what we gave him. So if we can keep being good to players people will keep coming back and signing contracts late mirrow signed a contract with us. I'm sure his agent knew that the market was way high for him definitely. If just happy here he can get nine point five on the market that i mean he's going to go out there and get ten honestly if that's the case it says i don't know what it is about seth's jones i mean he's he's he's this is great but he's not. He's not like a game changer. In my opinion he's not a He's not a paul coffee. Or a connor mcdavid or a sidney crosby earn alexandrovich skin. And yet he's getting paid like it. Alexander ovechkin just signed a contract for nine point. Five million dollars in i. I just don't get it. I don't i. Don't get that contract but anyways back to marc andre fleury. I went on the whole tirade on twitter. About how much i hated vegas now on and how much vegas is a trash organization now and i hate it because there are some players that i like in vegas and it's not the players in vegas hate. It's the management. The i mean it's the management and the the owners the end. The owners set this expectation on themselves. When they're like we're gonna wind up within five years. They said that they said they're gonna win. They're going to win a cup within five years so and they've had so much turnover. I mean nate schmidt is gone and he was beloved in vegas and now marc andre. Fleury is gone and he was even more beloved in vegas. He is the vegas golden knights he was the face of the franchise and now he's going in not only for nothing but the way they treated him when they left and the vegas golden knights response to this was after they found out that a flurry found out on twitter. They're like oh well. We told them a couple of weeks ago that the chicago might be interested in them. That doesn't matter that absolutely doesn't matter. You still tell a whole future hall. He will be in the hall of fame a future hall of famer. The guy that just won the vizner you give him the benefit of courtesy and telling them that he's getting traded for nothing and just tell them it's not it's it's completely not personal or anything like that we just don't wanna pay your cap hit. That's what it is. I mean it could have been as simple as that. And maybe marc andre fleury would be okay with it but manny. He would be okay with it but he at least vegas wouldn't be getting so much crap from everybody especially hockey twitter. My goodness okay. That was a complete random side thing. But i i mean we went from blackhawks to vegas but whatever anyways i'm going to go to extreme in this one we wait wait. How much better the blackhawks now though. Because flurry did decide to ensure i did we. We should've mentioned you. So it's he. He did say in the past that he wanted to retire as a vegas golden night. That's obviously not going to happen. And that was the initial reaction that he was going to retire and not play not show and he had a short little five second video that he sent to the chicago. Blackhawks twitter people said. Hey i'm ready to go. Let's go so bad. I mean he can still play. So does that. Make them a stanley cup contender. Absolutely not does it make them better. Yes does it. Make them a playoff contender. No i still don't think they make the playoffs. You don't think they make the playoffs set jones and i don't. I'm sorry but when you they've they've made a bunch of moves and we'll talk about it later. But i just there's not enough there to convince me that there's going to be a huge change in chicago. Everyone saying oh the rebuilds done in chicago. I don't it may be done but it's not good enough to make the playoffs not in the central division. I agree that it's done. And i agree that they're not good enough to win the cup. But i think they're definitely gonna make the playoffs. We'll have to agree to disagree on that. We'll have to see that we should probably our next podcast. We should look at the standings and after we've looked at all the teams because everybody's changed so it's pretty much pretty much quiet. Yeah now i mean. I think they'll be a couple couple moves around. Think there's anymore blockbusters. There's a couple of big players that still haven't signed like i guess they're not big like palmeri Exact parisa still hasn't signed anywhere so anymore. I mean he's still a useful player though. I mean he still getting still getting calls from plate from teams. It just depends on where he goes. Okay so let me see this. One perplexed me. Al mentioned this and passing the detroit red wings acquired goaltender. Alex nidal kovic as in nadeau. Kovic who was the second runner up behind jason robertson for colder trophy of the year from the carolina hurricanes in exchange for goaltender. Jonathan bernier in a third round. Pick in twenty twenty one nhl draft. So obviously the carolina hurricanes were not sold on alex belkevich be and their goaltender of the future. They're the red wings. Turn around and sign it into delegates to. I believe a three million av contract and it's i believe it's for two or three years. I'm just doing that off. The top of my head. But i mean talk about carolina in the goaltending all the movement. Carolina doesn't have the same goaltenders all three goaltenders. Who were in their rotation this year. Now delta vich rhymer mraz accor- all gone to different teams. Yeah that seems like crazy. Mismanagement to me from the gm. Like i don't know what happened. I feel like something had to have happened for all three of them to be gone. You know like it just seems insane. Because wasn't a. What was his name. The prospect guy that was going to play this year. What's his name. Carolina goalie named all three of them. Yeah how does how is he traded. That doesn't make any sense. I mean he played in the playoffs for them and he was their starting goaltender starting in the playoffs i obviously they weren't sold on him. That's the only thing i can think of in that. This was just a flash in the pan and he had a good year and he's not as good as we know they as he has a lot of other people. Say he's gonna to be. So i i don't know if he's right. He's a genius. Well the other reason why. I think the carolinas wrong isn't this. Who's on the other side. Detroit who is detroit's gm steverman geyser. Man is responsible for the for the you know the the building of the tampa bay lightning. I think he found his on vast lapsky. If you ask me. I'm not now. I'm not saying the delicate which is going to be as good as vasilevskiy. That will not happen. But he's definitely found a goaltender that he likes. I just don't. I don't understand that trade whatsoever if you're the carolina hurricanes because not only. Did you take jonathan bernier. Who you know. He had a good year for a really sucky team. But you only got a third round pick out of it. And that was it. So i i i don't i don't get it. I really don't i. i hope. Belkevich becomes a beast in detroit so We'll see how that goes. I'm just glad that we don't have to play him at all. But i'll mention this next this one because this one has been happening for a long time vancouver has always wanted this guy. Vancouver connects acquire defensemen. Oliver geman larson or as he's known across the media landscape a wheel in forward karner garland one of my favorite non dallas stars players from the arizona coyotes in exchange for forwards lou ericsson. Jay beagle antoine roussel a first round pick number nine overall the two thousand twenty one. Nhl draft second round. Pick in the twenty twenty two. Nhl draft in seventh round. Pick in the two thousand twenty. Three and eight draft so arizona weaponized their cap space. Got rid of. Oh we yell in. They had to they had to lose. Connor garland but they did get a first round. Pick a second round pick in the seventh round pick and and they got three players who are going to be off the cabinet exactly. That's the next point as well and in front of the vancouver side you get especially for jim benning. He loves oliver edmund larson eastern espn. He's trying he's been trying to get him for multiple years now. And you've got karner garland and as soon as current connor garland got a couple of days later. They signed him to a a decent deal for garland and he's going to be playing top. Six minutes with even couvert conducts. So but that's a lot to give up if draft pick wise you lose the first round pick the number nine overall a second round pick and seven and a seventh round pick so that that just seems like a lot to me and i understand why they got ericsson beagle and resell because all those contracts or terrible contracts. A mean by this year so so so what. I heard from some of my friends who are connects. Fans is that the. Gm's on the hot seat. And this is the hail mary through. So if if this if he doesn't try and find a way to turn the team around quick he's gone anyway so he's not carrying out the cap for the next couple of years obviously because they are right back in cap and he's hoping that oliver Martian figures it out like that's it and if he does then he's a genius and he will keep his job and if not he screws over the next year. So we'll see we'll see. I don't think it's gonna work i. I don't think it's gonna work either. But he's trying to save his job as doing his job. I mean i guess it's better than doing nothing like you know. He's gonna make a blockbuster trade before he before he gets taken out. The thing is is that he law he got rid of three bad contracts in roussel beagle. And oh my gosh. I was just looking at it. Already forgot ericsson ericsson ericsson. I already forgot. Sorry to former dollar stars players in jay beagle. But that's a lot to give up for them to take your bag contracts a first first second and seventh angelou's garland i don't know but i thought that arizona one that trade hands down because they just had to pay those guys one year they're all they're all gone and they get to keep the draft picks for it so yeah. Arizona has zero risk because they were already blowing up their entire team and now vancouver has the highest risk with the lowest chance of reward. So right so we'll we'll have to see how that goes for the arizona coyotes. I think they're looking at their situation with them. Being in the central now in looking there ain't no way we're making the playoffs. There's no way they will finish seven thirty eighth in the in the central division. This season i will all definitely now but even moving to so. Yeah there's gonna be a their one hundred percent punt sam for the next season as a gm is that is the biggest punt you can make all the way on. Okay what else you got your next. I got i got kind of a decently. Big trade brinda dylan to the winnipeg jets from the washington capitals two second rule. Twenty two trade for winnipeg. That's great trade. that's a great trade for winnipeg. Who needs help on. Defense and brennan dylan is a great defenceman as we know definitely was with washington capitals. Exactly i think we got disconnected differs egging. Oh well well well it's a great trade because brennan because the jets are trying to scrap for that last playoff spot probably along with the chicago blackhawks now and us but but it is a great trade. I really think the stars are going to be you know. I said last year that they were going to get fourth. And i can only i can only see them getting second or third this upcoming season for the stars. In my opinion i think they will be second or third. Okay anyways i guess. I'll mention one that i really like for philadelphia because philadelphia. God got better and they needed to replace it nolan patrick after. They traded him a the philadelphia flyers. Acquired forward cam atkinson from the columbus blue jackets in exchange for forward yacob voracek. So vora check is getting older. He's not getting up there in age and a atkinson is a good useful top six forward. Who can score goals for the philadelphia flyers. So i really like that trade for philadelphia and Columbus is just trained me. They're just trying to start a rebuild. I expect to see more trades from the columbus blue jackets before the season starts especially on the goaltending front right extra. Colorado avalanche acquires defenseman. Curtis mcdermott from the seattle cracking. How dare they curtis. Mcdermott was the face of the seattle. Seattle love mcdermott. I cannot believe that. And i for one am not a crack and you. You're never a cracker fan to begin with christian brahma crack that's gonna be the joke around the nhl crackheads. They're gonna call themselves. I would love it if they call themselves that i will love it. Here's another here's a steel of a trade. If you ask me for florida. Florida has done really well for themselves. And we we talked about when they signed borowski. Oh you better watch out for. Florida and florida didn't do very well after they signed him but in the second year this past season they did fantastic and then now. They signed some guys to some big money contracts. That are kinda iffy. maybe especially like carver. Hagi anthony declare but they did go out and get forward sam reinhart from the buffalo sabres and all they gave up was a twenty twenty two first round. Pick and goaltender devon levi. Devon levi is known for the world championship or the world. Excuse me as being the goaltender for team canada when they lost to the team. Usa but a first round pick. And i think they got devon levi in the seventh round. That's not a bad that that's a steal. If you're florida and sam reinhart. Can i mean you can pencil them in for twenty goals. Easy a he can. He can even get thirty goals especially playing with better players in in florida. And he's a real consistent to you know he he always gets he pretty much consistently get twenty dollars a year. Which is like what you want on. A on a maybe. We'll say middlesex. Well yeah oh. So here's here's the thing. He had twenty three in his first full season. Then seventeen twenty five twenty three twenty to twenty five in a shortened season so he was on a thirty goal pace this season so he always you know he always gets. That's without you know mr jack. Eichel there helping them out as well so didn't so he was the guy for the buffalo sabres this season so i'm looking forward to seeing what he can do in florida so that was one of my favorite traits that i saw over the the past couple of weeks who else he got distracted. This trade is hilarious. So the new york requires of ryan reeves from the vegas goal nights in exchange for a third round pick in twenty twenty two ryan reeves. Doesn't play hockey. Why is he getting traded for a third. And then tom wilson had a great response on. Twitter might have been in person but i saw it on twitter. You said that they just wasted a third round pick just because they were trying to deal with me wilson truth the truth. Yeah that's pretty true and yeah it. this doesn't make sense at all. Ryan reeves sucks. He plays like eight minutes a game but everybody knows his name. It's everybody knows his name. He sucks well. I if he completely sucked he wouldn't be in the nhl. He sucks and he's a jerk he is jerry he's in the nhl just became he can punch people in the face. That's why he's there. Yes oh goodness might turn perish. I think we're pretty much done. Well you're your. There's there's not a lot that i i want else. I wanted to talk about. But there is so much i mean. Washington got vetoed vantage. Check back from the seattle cracking or as elliot. Friedman said vitelle vanna jack. Autocorrect on twitter. Calgary flames acquire goaltender. Danville the door for pick. That was a good pickup. For calgary a dorsey camper camper gross colorado. After and we'll talk about that in the second vegas got guinea data from the ottawa. Senators carolina ethan bear from the edmonton oilers exchange for warren fogel. That's a pretty decent one for one trade. Going both ways nate schmidt after he got traded to vancouver from vegas already on his third team in three years. He's with the winnipeg jets. now. I mean winnipeg's. Their defense is starting to look really scary. I mean when you have neil nate schmidt and you also have a burn burn dylan. That's a decent yet that's decent Like three of your top four guys could be good now instead of bat chicago. Actually got tyler johnson. So that's one guy that we didn't talk about what we were doing. The whole is chicago a a Stanley cup contender again. Tyler johnson's back in chicago ends oh who else That's about it. Yeah you're right I mean there's a lot of There's a lot of trades but one of the biggest ones was obviously the the darcy camper trade in colorado in probably the next biggest trade was honestly the marc andre fleury j just because of how little got back so lots of players lots of different teams and i thought the trades would be. There would be more of them before this before the Seattle crack and expansion draft. But there wasn't as many as i expected and there is a crap ton afterwards too so Lots of players go in different places. Okay let's get to the free agency side of all this stuff. So i guess what we should do is we should talk Let's talk about the guys who signed the big contracts right Obviously the biggest fish in this year's free agency market was probably dougie hamilton. Dougie hamilton goes from carolina new jersey. He signs a seven year deal worth sixty three million dollars and he makes an average of nine million dollars per season so Thoughts on on that christian on that on that on that signing for the new jersey devils a good deal for the devils. But i mean like the devils have been inbetween rebuilding and trying to win for so long like. I don't know how much it's going to matter. But the hamiltons. A good guy to build your team around. He's still only twenty eight. That's that's what they're going to try and build around instead of ban. I guess so. Let's see if they can. They're not fully committing to tearing it down. Like i thought they would. So let's see what they can and here's the top six for new jersey if you look at their defensemen. Here's who they have dougie hamilton ryan -gree graves sorry who they just got from. Colorado yona siegenthaler. Who if you didn't watch much new jersey hockey. You don't know who that is but pretty good top six guy for for new jersey. Ty smith who all new jersey devils fans love thai smith. He was huge for them. This past year. He's only twenty one so and then damon severson in 'em. Pk sue band. Who's on that absolutely terrible. Contract of nine billion dollars just one more season to that and yeah. That's their top six. I mean that's a much improved top sex especially with the addition of dougie hamilton. So we'll see how that goes for new jersey and all that stuff probably the next big fish on the market was none other than zach. Hyman i. I don't think anybody even thought that that was going to go anywhere other than somewhere in canada but he goes from toronto to edmonton signs. The seven year deal thirty eight and a half million dollars in five point five million dollars per. What do you think of that contract. Christian. it's not bad. I mean it's long you wouldn't like it to be that long. I don't think for a guy that's twenty nine but you'll take it you on zakheim hyman so it's probably worth five. Point five isn't bad. I don't think i still think that's a little high for someone who mostly played on the second and third line in toronto. And i mean and his most effective place if you watch toronto honky was on the third line. And that's a lot to give somebody who's gonna play on third line five point five million dollars now if he's gonna play with In the top six. Which at that money. I would expect. He would then. It's probably fine. But again i don't know how much money he's really worth if he's going to be worth that much money if he's going to score twenty goals i really don't so is also getting a lot of assist. He gets a lot of points to is the big thing. So he's not. He's not just a goal scorer. So i think that that's like forty points a season but looks like he was pretty much averaging so i don't know i think being on the second line to give more of a role i think that are jammed for him to step up. I like it. I think. I think five one five is is high but everything is high this year. So yeah i mean he had. I mean this is just the last. The last three seasons case so twenty eighteen twenty one goals twenty s twenty nineteen twenty one goals sixteen assists and then this past season again in a shortened season. Fifteen goals in eighteen says and he only played forty three games this past season as injury. So i mean that's definitely twenty go pace and probably upper twenty goal pace. But that's just wants. I mean i don't know it's a fine deal. I think it's also build onto so i think it's a it's a great centerpiece for team. Not in the sense that he's the main guy in the sense that he's like in the middle of the lineup. That's wearing middle middlesex. Who could be a top six option if nedia okay Next big fish. We need to talk about. Probably the most surprising one of the entire free agent frenzy which was the signing philip gruber not to colorado but to seattle he signs a six year deal worth thirty five point. Four million dollars with an average of five point nine million dollars per season Now there's two ways you can look at this either. philip grew. Bauer is as good as he is. And he's worth that. Basically six million dollar cap hit which some people would say no. He's not because he just played behind a really good colorado team or he. He's just not that good because he played behind a really good colorado team. The what's your i mean. What side of the coin are you on. I mean he had a great season last night. He was deny finalized. He was exactly. But i mean the seasons before that. Like if you look at the three seasons before this last season goals-against average two point three five two point six four two point six three. Those are all decent numbers. They're decent. But that's not i don't i don't know if that's i don't know if it's if that's six million dollars numbers for a goalie. I don't know i know that. Six millions of lot to tie a bengals very much so well let's going we'll probably do about four maybe five or six more and we'll wrap this up so because some of these next ones are just kinda. Wow this one. Surprise me philip. The no maybe. I shouldn't say surprised. I should say. I think he got overpaid. Philip no goes leaves montreal so that's a huge loss for the montreal canadians and he goes to the la kings who are starting to make some big moves and starting to make their way out of the depths of the nhl in sir. Turn to be relevant again. He's a six million dollar deal for thirty six million six year deal for thirty three million dollars at an average of five point five per season. Obviously that greens crazy to me. I mean obviously. I understand why he got paid. He got paid because he just came off a incredible stanley cup. Final run with the montreal. Canadians where he was extremely impactful. Not obviously not on the scoresheet but descended on the defensive side of the game. Shut down the. I mean not at the beginning but shutdown toronto right and all those lines he completely shut down Winnipeg's first line. He can shut down. A the vegas is players as well. So i don't know maybe he's worth that. Money cog lianoing coma. Were doing that and they're not getting paid that much i think that's an overpayment from la. Am i crazy over five goals right and he got five point five million dollars just for being a good defensive player. More than a million dollars gold. That's a lot really that's crazy. That's ridiculous in my speaking of like. But that's that's kind of what you get for the canadian for not resigning him earlier. Like if you sign extension last season he's gonna make three and a half so when you guys go to the market people pay that or whatever after an amazing playoff round like he had so speaking of overpayments boy am. I glad we didn't go after this guy. Blake coleman twenty nine years old. He obviously he leaves tampa bay because tampa bay can't afford them because they're still over the cap in. He goes to calgary where he signs a six year deal worth twenty nine point four million dollars at an average of four point nine per million per season for that price. I'm like boy. You go right on. There is no way at all that blake coleman would be signing for that much in in dallas. There's there's not a chance. Jim no sign that yeah. I'm sure that he called blake kalman and then didn't call him back so i can imagine. Yeah yeah that's crazy. I was thinking three and a half maybe right even that was pushing it in my mind but yep agreed a crazy. Offseason years is what is what all this is. That's that's crazy. That's all i can say. I mean here's another one that we already knew about but jaden schwartz. He goes to seattle. He leaves saint louis five and a half million per year for five years. Twenty seven point five million dollars over that period of time. Maybe a bit of an overpayment for seattle but seattle doesn't care they have all the cap space in the world right and that was done on purpose. Yeah that's not. What i like schwartz too. I think he's a good player. He's a good guy to at least be pushing in the top six he will be in the top six in seattle. Be even on the first one. I think he played it on the first in line with with every there honestly but in most other organizations you wouldn't but for seattle. They just don't have i line guys right now so you'll take that i think it's fine contract. Here's one that really perplexes me. Alex logovsky right thirty six years old right and everybody is you know getting onto the stars for giving a three point six million dollar deal for four years to a guy. That's in his late thirties. Men ryan suter right. Alex gola goski signs with minnesota one year for five million dollars. That seems that's what i'm saying. Rich suitor you. If he goes somewhere for one year he can make a lot more. And that's what i was. Gossage does do was like all right. I'll hop around teams. When i retire and i'll make as much money as i can like if he tries to sign a four year and indus contract with the team. The way sooner did he's probably gonna be right around where suitors money is but he's gonna take more and take a shorter term. Minnesota's gonna try to run. I really just don't understand that cap. Hit five million dollars. The he's still a good defense man. I understand that but all these moves that bill erin is making. I mean some of them were like. Oh wow that's great. He's some of them are like what earth are you doing. I mean like the whole we'll go back to the whole buying out ryan suter anzac parisa thing both at the same time. I mean i maybe buying up her easy but suitor really and then he goes out in gives glogowski five million dollars. I don't i don't get it. I really don't i don't understand it. So whatever but that. That's that's a. That's probably the biggest over pavement for me in my opinion at of any of these players on this list. Okay let's just do two more each and there at this up for the evening because there's we could go on for forever. But i wanna get just a couple more. You wanna go first. You want me to go. First outdo gets laugh. We were looking at gets off apparently but he stays in anaheim for one year. Four point five which again. That's kind of a lot for a guy thirty six but we'll see it's also kind of confusing like if you're gonna stay there like wouldn't you want to stay there for a long time like i would i if i just wanted to stay in anaheim. I would've signed a longer term. I don't think that was in the plans for the anaheim ducks though is my thing. I don't think they wanna give him two or three year deal. He might've been wanting that. And maybe that's why he went to market in the first place to see if there were two three million dollar or two three year options for him. But i think really. That's what it came down to the anaheim. Just didn't wanna give him the extra term. Here's one of the. Here's one of the biggest ones that doesn't surprise me but it's a it's a really good. Signing is line is oh mark. The goaltender former goaltender of buffalo goes to boston for your deal. Twenty million dollars. Five million dollars per season. I think that's an excellent deal. Absolute ex- excellent deal for for boston. Some people said that it was an overpayment. Just because of his line is all mark and everything but liners ullmark has been a really good goaltender for a really crappy team for a long time and his numbers have been decent playing for buffalo and the amount of goals buffalo. Let's in it's amazing that his numbers were as good as they were so An especially with Rask not being coming back until january possibly february. That doesn't surprise me That boston goes out and gets them so they've got in. They've got a ullmark now. Ullmark will probably start. Swimming would probably be the backup and some of his numbers over the past. Couple of years. his his goals against average three eleven and twenty eighteen ninety five save percentage twenty nine to sixty nine thousand fifteen save percentage and then this past year to sixty three goals against average nine seven save percentage again on a really bad team. That's pretty decent so i. I can only imagine with a good team like boston. His numbers will go. Yeah it's it's definitely a decent risk in my opinion but it is kind of a lot of money for someone like that. Obviously but it's a fair enough risk like it makes sense is what i'm saying. He's gonna he's gonna end up starting for them. He will well he. He's he's really having an making five million dollars. I mean what a great upgrade all right. Go hey chris you got one. That's okay i'll do. I mean we could go even more in depth but there are so many goaltenders that have moved. Everything like anderson's carolina now drake. You're obviously is in seattle Goes to toronto I mean like we said ullmark goes to boston. I mean there's just so. Many goaltender remers in san jose. Now so at wichita so weird to think about right. Rhymer in san jose. Uniform just doesn't seem right to me. I don't know just i think he's just t- you can't imagine people in well all right well. I think that's going to do it for us tonight this evening. I guess i would tell you what we have planned next. But i don't think we have a plane for what's coming up next next couple episodes. We'll let you guys know on that. I like the idea there. We came up with. I mean all the moves are basically done. I think we're going to talk about what what the what the divisions are looking like our way too early playoff and then we can go back and see later on how bad they were man like. Didn't you dallas last year getting second in the in the that the singer division. You're so wrong on that. At least i was closed. I was close. I put them as fourth. I'm a homer your fake fan. All right well all right. Well that's going to do it for us for tonight. Owed forgot do you wanna do your. Who cares segment tonight. We talked about summer olympics yesterday. So i figured we could do winter olympics tonight so all right in today's who cares segment. Do we're talking about our favorites winter olympic games. Chris go i you know. I don't care what people say about it. I like to watch curling. I know that seems weird. And it's a big thing in canada my my clarinet professor. Sfa when i was getting my degree there he loves curling so every time we would make fun of him because he is originally from canada every time we would make fun of him for liking. Curling and I i like watching it. I don't know what it is about a it's completely strategy. There's no luck in it may. Maybe that's why. I like it because it actually requires some skill but Yeah chris what you got. I have skeleton skela tin. That's the bobsled where the guys are faced forwards on literally little sled the going down a hill of death made of ice. That's terrifying like i would never do that. I would die immediately. I don't know how people do that. It's terrifying it's so scary. Yep it is incredibly terrifying. I agree oh by the way we're not. I don't think we should include hockey. And that's because that's kind of expected include hockey in this so no hockey okay. All right all right. So i'll go with another one. I personally really like snowboarding events in any of the snowboarding events. The there's so much fun for me to watch. Probably my favorite of all of these snowboarding events is the half pipe just watching. Some of the guys put up the tricks that they do it. The amount of time it probably it takes to actually do all that it. It blows my mind just what they can do. So that's an another one. I like chris all right. I got the biathlon. Biathlons is great. Yeah you know. It's the cross country skiing with the shooting. Oh yeah that actually kind of cool. I remember watching. So i the cool thing about it is because it came from when the nordic countries or go to war. That's literally what they would do the cross country to go faster and they would just shoot people right on their skis. That's fricking cool second. It's actually a really like hard thing to do to steady your hands after you've been skiing for that long like thinking about like how heavy you breathe even ryan even averages walking You breathing so heavy. She got to slow down your breathing breathing. Techniques endurance athleticism practice with the gun. I like it. I like all of it. Really good sport really cool history why i love it really very unique. Yeah well obviously my number one would be hockey if we were allowed to choose hockey hockey's kind of obvious so i'm not going to my next favorite my next favorite thing and probably my absolute favorite thing other than hockey is speed skating. I love watching speed. So yeah we got. Our favorite one is other than hockey. Is the same thing. So i again just the pure speed of some of these. Some of these skaters minds technically deficit. Okay all right. Well i like the i specifically like short-distance more so than the long distance is still impressive and it takes a lot of endurance for that. Just like it's sorta like track in a ways almost like winter. It's almost like the winner olympic of track just because of all the different Distances they have and stuff. But i just remember several years ago apollo antonio and some of the races that he was in and i had so much fun watching his races and the races in general he. He is the reason why i even partially watch the speed skating events. So that's honestly my favorite. It's my favorite because of the fact that you can win when you're like two laps behind still so speeds gave you totally wiped the entire field out. That doesn't matter whether it be accident up accused but the guy who was in fourth. He just beat y'all so just just because he was so far behind jolly didn't get hit. He wins so they go. I remember there's video of that of that guy was in dead last like a quarter lap behind people and it was like a three libraries and he won gold just because he was chilling. What a great sport. You'll love that. The person who is obviously worse than the other three people winning. That's i can't. I can't remember what it was but there was one event i was watching and i believe it was when it was in. It may have been in vancouver when it was. I think it was in vancouver and there was one. I was watching where they were all going around in the same sort of thing kind of happened like you were talking about. But the guy second was really trying to get that gold medal and he was trained set to get past guy i but in he he trying to push past them and that guy and i was not letting go and then those two guys fell wiped out everybody else behind them except for one guy and he was like probably a good two or three strides behind everybody else and anyone just because he didn't wipe out so i i love speed skating for that fact because it can change so quickly honorable mention for downhill. Snowboard racing for the exact same reason. Wipe everybody out. that's wonderful. I love that great like nascar but with human. Now i will ask this because what do you think i. There's a lot more events in the summer olympics and more countries are involved in summary olympics. But which one do you like watching more. Do you like watching the winner olympic more or the summer olympics more. I prefer the winter olympics. Just because the sports are so much more obscure like their sports. In that that i didn't even know we're leading like et like why is the biathlon a thing like it's not a real sport and then i looked into it and that's crazy cool origin story so i like it and we don't do any of these things in america and somehow we still have people who are right exactly i am robots. He says he likes the winter olympics. Better than the than the summer olympics. So shout out to winter. Bought highlander bought or probo. Bought sim winter bought winner. Bought whatever Obviously for me. It's it's winter. It has to be winter. Because i mean i hockey but i mean the. Just listen to these these sports. These are just the sports that are held their alpine skiing. Biathlon bobsleigh cross country skiing. Curling figure skating freestyle skiing ice hockey luge nordic short-track speedskating skeleton. Ski jumping snowboarding. Speed skating in the list goes on from there. So that's more interesting to me. I like the winter olympics better than the summer olympics. So and if we're specifically talking if even if we take a hockey out of it it would still be the winter olympics over the over the summer yeah Weird agreed yellow. Bet like how did he go faster. Go as it make sense all right. I think we're good all right. Yep thank you guys for tuning in tonight. Low christian chambers. I am ryan trigo. Follow us on. Twitter at star casting are follow us on our instagram facebook youtube snapchat. All that stuff makes you free stuff on draft. Yes and yet make sure you use that promo cotija. Pin and go when you go to kings and you get a special little deal and there's always a new one every single week and exciting news. You can see this on the on the video side but if you're on if you're just listening to it we have new star cast their kamarck shirts. We're going to be putting in our brand new merch store coming up very soon so if you wanna take a look at that. Make sure that you follow us. 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Episode 411: The Open Market

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Episode 411: The Open Market

"The economy is made up of real people doing real stuff and it affects everything which you obviously know. Since you're a real person doing real stuff marketplace's here to help you get smart about everything beyond the what of the day's business and economic news we dig into the how and the why with the real people driving our economy from big tech and interest rates to small businesses and what's happening at the fed marketplace breaks it all down so you don't have to listen to the marketplace where ever you get your pockets pressing to the means since twenty fifty. It's the hockey pedia. Cast with your host dimitri philipovich. Welcome to hockey pedia. Cast my name's matrix Kovic in joining me is my good buddy ryan lambert ryan was gonna. What's happening a lot. Tap were according wednesday early evening. We just saw a million signings. I think cap friendly at this point has it approaching. Eight hundred million dollars in terms of contract dollars over. I have kept friendly opened. Seven seventy two nine twenty five here. We go by the time people listen. I have no. I think they're still uploading some of the some of the signings that have already been finalized back logging but also joining us is good buddy. Jack razor jack. What's going on a quite a lot. It's very long day. I am if. I never see another hockey data viz for the rest of my life. I think right now. I feel pretty happy. At least it was exciting. It wasn't like last year where we were just of sitting around awkwardly for a in our time without assigning happening so i guess i'm grateful for that certainly Even though we still reside in a flat cap environment teams had no such limitations in terms of the money. They're in spending in. We're gonna work our way through we. The three of us did a show last week which feels like months ago now. Talking about the expansion draft was seattle. Jobs do and it was fun and people enjoyed it so i figured we'd bring back the team together for this one and so the plan for today as we're going to work our way through genuinely insane deo signings can try to sort through the biggest themes best and worst moves whatever it is. We think those notable and because so much happened. It's pretty easy to stop. So i think it'll be a good exercise even for us and so let's get right into it. Brian let you start what. Give me your biggest story whether it's a theme or whether it's a team or player you can take it any way one. Yeah i think the thing that is truly truly amazing to be. It's funny because i i actually wrote about it for libra strikes over the weekend. I i don't know how. Nhl defenseman are valued anymore. Like i do. It just doesn't make any kind of sense to me I mean you know the people are saying would say that. This is an apples and oranges comparison. But like the fact that seth jones got a eight years nine and a half and Camel car got six years. Nine is wild dougie hamilton. Just got seven years nine And i look you know i. I don't think we need to explain to the listeners of this show Where we are as a group where. All three of us are at Seth jones wise or dougie hamilton and cameras. Honestly but like you said jones is a guy that's like the number is eight him but here's the one weird trick That he that he uses to get nhl people to think he's good at his job And i guess it's being tall probably playing lot in. Maybe that's too weird trips. But the thing i was just saying this to dmitry before we started recording To tell you how insane. Nhl defenseman valuation has gotten The boston bruins. The i think yesterday announced they resigned. Mike riley three years three million dollars and then today mike riley berry good middle pair. Defenseman really shined after being traded to the bruins of the deadline. Today they give derek forber a bad bottom paired offensive defense only offense of black hole Couldn't cut it on The winnipeg jets And they give him three years three million dollars the exact same contract. And i don't know how they i don't know how if you're done sweetie you're saying these two blair's worth exactly the same to me. Yeah well i just talked a lot. Sorry i was listening to. It was certainly i think that is the biggest theme. It certainly was a good database defenseman especially if you are over six foot tall especially if you're over six two and if you shoot right like oh my god you were. You're laughing today. I think he's a sampling of contracts. We saw Variety defenseman codes e four years dean mowing derek forward three years nine million tucker pullman four years ten million travis hamic two year six million david savard voyeurs fourteen million ryan suter four years. Fourteen point six million. That obviously doesn't include the seventy six million dollars extension set jones god contract for three years ten point. Five or so of the brendan mantra. Got the day before from panthers. The premium the flyers traded to acquire razzmatazz. The line and And so i guess in one sense. I'm surprised that that much money was given out to to defense of varying levels. And obviously i think all those guys should have been paid as much especially in the term they got i but i guess we should have seen it coming just because it feels like this has been a perfect storm right. We just had a postseason where any broadcasts you turned on regardless of who was playing. They're talking about. How montreal had four. Chris pronger's who are these big defense men who were carried postseason all the way down the final you had then. We entered the andrew draft or the expansion draft you had seattle taking guys like carson sushi in germany lows on over objectively better candidates from their own teams. You had the leafs protecting justin holdover. Jared mccann We saw the trade sunday on with this as jones and the rest of the salon and stuff so it seems like teams. Just talk themselves kind of back themselves at this coroner of thinking like all right we. We need to fill a quota of this certain type of player. Because that's been proven to be successful in the league. And that's why you have off seasons like this when so far where where it just seems like the valuations are sold off from what you typically expect. Based on what the players have actually provided in terms of their on-ice results. There was a lot of is that per year or over the entire contract This time around. Which i we hadn't seen for a while but i i totally agree to. I think it's definitely part of a larger thing that we've been seeing you know. We obviously saw it a lot. This loss You know like. I think actually predicted during our Second round preview. You know as soon as vegas beat. Colorado and sam's yard had a bad series. You know that basically confirmed to thirty one or thirty two. Gm's that the answer to your defense is problem is that they aren't big enough. In a basically gave them kind of carte blanche to go to any death defensemen that was available especially for right handed and give them a contract. That seems totally out of whack with whether actual ability is so. I think that was definitely the biggest thing for me was was not only you know we knew that jones was going to get a giant pile of money. You know we knew teams were gonna value essence the line in you know the the minute munchers are always going to get a piles of money. Because that's how they're getting evaluated is. It's the the trust that okay. If these guys are getting trusted in these big minutes then presumably they must deserve it there. We can you know project. Their physical gifts onto our line up and and dismiss any issues that they had with it was their system but it was the the deaths guys. That really kind of surprised me of these guys that you haven't really heard of before or you know you you see them in a third payroll and then. Suddenly they're getting paid is though the these guys that needed to be locked up so that was definitely stretch and it seems like the common defense of it. He typically from fans of the teams that designed he's players is well that's the market. What can you do right. And i always find that to be such a strange argument because at the obvious answer seems to be. What's the what's the rush to design at that market price. Then like if that's the case just just hang out go on vacation for a couple of days Wait for it to change. The market always changes for better. For worse. there will be better buying opportunities at some point. You don't need to build your team for tober. Thirteenth on opening night or whatever it is in july on july twenty twenty seven twenty eight th whatever it is today. I've lost track of the days but you basically like you just admitting all right well other people. My friends are making mistakes. So i'm just gonna make mistakes too because hey whatever everyone's doing it's kind of fit in it. It's so bizarre kind of such an ass backwards logic especially in a competitive setting like the nhl in a hard cap system where you really can't afford to make dumb mistakes on the depth players like this and teams just time and time again basically others doing it and they all just kind of have this pack mentality about it. Yeah i mean i. I'm looking at it right now. Definitely there not. There's nobody that where you look at. You go oh my god how to how this guy slipped through free agency. You know like the first day of free agency. But like i don't know. Can you get ryan murray for less than three years. Three million dollars is a much better men than derek forward. Just yeah. you're not right. Shot i guess but You know you. He's a good. He's a good player Sammy vaatainen is a player. I think that we all agree have has some lower end of the lineup value. You know again. Nobody's calling these guys can. Have you seen anything quite like the connects defensive depth shot on the right side where it seems like right. Now it's tyler myers travis. Avonex tucker pullman in luke shanna guests. I think madison bowie might also still be there about sheriff as a free agent. Yeah it's i. It's not making me timmy. Friends in conduct land right. Now i can tell you the truth. I i i mean honestly you know i guess a good gauge of how much it seems like the attitude towards cat space and contracts has changed in the course of seemingly two weeks. Is you know if you If you look down this list of contracts how many of them if they pass through waivers on january twelfth twenty twenty one would have been claimed. You know i think there's a double then that would be. I think there's quite a few of them that wouldn't be. You know there were there. Were good players all season long. Who were on contracts that just so happen. You know that it was two years. Instead of one year three years instead of two years it was three million instead of two million and there were passenger waivers seemingly on a weekly basis and then suddenly it seems like you know. I don't know if if the owners jams got all excited because they started. Espn logo in the corner of the screen for the first time but suddenly it seemed like the pursestrings were open and every team i guess just completely reverted to a you know i guess. In retrospect probably what they were dying to do last for which is get back to normal and and start giving out seven hundred seventy million dollars much of it as usual gonna get regretted. I think that is certainly true art. I'm going to give you guys my. Take away the seattle cracking. Yeah so i have to admit. I've spent a large chunk of the past week trying to come up with potential theories Talking to as many people as i can elite trying to sort of piece together what the vision and plan was here and sort of the sequence of events that led to all the decisions seattle's made in terms of personnel. They've acquired in various ways so far. What their vision was for this roster year one and i was hoping you know leading the expansion draft which the three of us talked about at length on podcasts. We are kinda came to a agreement that it made sense that they valued cap space in flexibility as much as they did. They didn't wanna take on anyone else's bad contracts really for the most part and we figured that either via some sort of trades down the road they would acquire assets for the future or maybe disgruntled players or players that other teams just couldn't afford anymore or they were going to go big game hunting agency with either dougie hamilton. Or gabriel landau scott or whoever else and they were going to really bolster their team. Which would have actually made sense. I think normally you'd say building through. Free agency is an ideal but just based on the personnel. They'd acquired in the expansion draft. They had this interesting complimentary group of low event defensive players and if you added a couples of linchpin offensive threats could really make them an interesting team especially in the pacific division and i guess technically like they certainly spent Here in day one. They got some interesting pieces depending on your mileage on them. But i can't. I can't reasonably say. It was an optimal use of their bill resources. And it doesn't make me feel doesn't do anything to make me feel more confident in what their plan is moving forward because it feels like something weird happened in the meantime and they sort of have to readjust because this couldn't have been their number one game plan heading into it. It just seems so bizarre case. The thing that i don't understand is they. You know i. I think sensibly kinda went cheap on goalies in the expansion draft. They they got a check and they got a treasure and one other. I'm forgetting to corey exam. So they send him up and down. Yes and li- joy to You know his track record even before he got pro. Hockey is is solid and and so it was like okay. they have waco of. They're getting their ducks in a row in the crease. And then they were like what if we gave a twenty nine year old six years and and almost six million dollars and then traded a one of the goalies redrafted back to the team that gave him up. What have we did that. And what if we let gavin beyreuther the only guy we took from the guy we took from columbus. What did we let him just sign with columbus. After all this like what was the point then would like just. I don't know say pass. We're good we're not gonna take these guys you know it's kind of belaboring the point a little bit but like when you go all man look at how much cam space they have. They could go hog wild they could. They could offer sheet Allies patterson they could they could offer sheet Any any number of guys and then they were like yeah. We're going to give jaden schwartz five and a half million dollars in leg. I don't have anything against any of these players that i'm about to say but going to give alexander number four and a half million dollars are gonna give jamie alexia. Four and a half. We're going to give adam larsson. Four were And then i said group are already. It's like oh okay so you're just gonna spend money like a normal gm that feels like they're like for you know quote unquote going for it Okay because you know the thing. The thing i and i wrote about again i wrote about this. Like a whatever Right before the expansion draft. But i think i said you know they. There's no pressure on them to be like actually good because their division stinks right. Les they could. We set it last week. They totally back into the third place in the pacific with the roster. They they had at the end of the expansion. We like you know that was totally a reasonable expectation and they said what if we barely improved but spent twenty million dollars to do it. It's a plan. yeah it none of it made any sense to me at all i was. I was blown away when that alex winberg contract came through. I mean you know you gotta remember like winberg is a guy who got bought out of a contract that was essentially just this contract like fleet. Last year he was on four point. Nine until twenty twenty three and now he's at four point three until two thousand twenty four and the only difference between then and now is that he shot twenty percent this season. Which as always you know we know is a perfectly good measure of a player's talent especially a guy like alex weinberg. The amazing thing is from two thousand seventeen to twenty twenty and then obviously got bought out by the end of that run. He's scored fifteen goals in one hundred ninety games combined last year. He scored seventeen goals in just fifty six games. He shot twenty point seven percent as you said he played four hundred plus minutes with jonathan gruber toe which i'm sure helped offense at totals quite a bit the closest comp by by don's model is twenty eleven twelve billion in his first year with the buffalo sabres. Talk under. what's what's what's remember it. As a great contract that lived up to all the hype and certainly provide value for for his team. That one's wild. I think the schwartz love his game while the player. No no. i'm not trying to slight is game. I don't think he's a five happily dollar me for five for five years. He's a twenty nine year old. Who's missed extended periods of time for the past six years and whose shot rates have been cratering progressively over the past three years and his by one of the close cons is louie erickson when he signed. Hiscox the alleged. I just struggling to to come to terms of the rationality because we just we praise them for understandably passing on bad contracts that other teams had signed and they just use that puts ability to go ahead and sign their own bad contracts. A weak leader. Is i mean you know will use the same waivers test. I mean if these three contracts were available to seattle in the expansion draft would we have sat down last week and said that they should've taken them. I think probably not group hours like a one liner octave out and yell would've had argument about money and goaltending at it could have been interesting. But i mean you know james schwartz. You know like you said like he fits this team like he is exactly the kind of like low event. Defensive minded layer that they need and they don't have any twix like i'd like considering this year amount of cast based they had if they're big move today was just we're gonna sign jane schwartz risk around others rosser. We're going to keep your identity going. That would've been one thing but again like this seemed kind of setup to be either a we're gonna go through the go for the big dogs and if we don't get the big dogs number basically gonna do arizona's doing like we're gonna you know maybe get some captains that actually improve our team like arizona did with gossip bear and stroman. We're going to pick up a eggs on the process and we're gonna lose respectively and maybe we ended up in the laundry. Maybe we compete for playoff spot. But we're not gonna have sacrificed any potential assets cap space for that and then they kind of carved out this middle ground which i feel like limits their options in both directions and probably cements them as potential ninety five point team next year. That right side is going to be competing with the more dysfunctional teams in the division. But i i really don't see how this team is with the additions made you know as i don't think they're going to be competing or his data cup exterior. Everyone seems to be agreement that the coaches are basically having the summer that seattle should have had ideally right. Like they like the coyotes. I think basically spent twenty two million dollars in terms of future salary and they bought the ninth overall. Pick obviously those complicated because oil's contract. Connor garland in there as well but five seconds. One third one seven. And it's not even like they took on these albatross contracts because pretty much all of that cap. Money is coming off the books after this one year. Except for i guess. One more year andrew ladd and one more year of gaza's bear who could conceivably become a positive asset at that point and instead they're basically left watching over the past week as players. They could have taken for free and flipped to other destinations. Gopher legitimate assets in akitas zadora of going third brennan dough and going to seconds and jake being going for a second draft instead they either just punt it by taking gavin beyreuther in john quenneville and and i think the washington just the wild example to me. I understand that. They probably didn't think that they were going to get philip group hours. So that's why they took advantage check. And then their plans got changed but optically for them to take that a check and then send them back to washington for a second while they could have just taken dylan and flipped him. Beg for two seconds is like just a classic example of not on either not understanding the market or not doing due diligence or just playing your hand i. It's one of those for sure that's disappointing. Yeah i mean the thing. That's wild is a they're now spending expansion team spending nine and a half million dollars uncle tending Nobody should do that. Just shouldn't a unless unless it's a situation where you have a carey price in your like will he's attending a half million dollar goal and we also have to have the student million dollar backup because katie price can't play a full season. Or you know. I kinda get that. Obviously i would Worn cautioned against that But the other thing is like they had what a How long have they had their full or almost their full front office together like a year. Plus right so for them to go yet no idea it will fill a group our and like completely changed course a week after the franchise started. What do you believe as as an organization and and you know to your to your point earlier about arizona. I just see it. It's official now. darcy countered colorado for connor ten minutes and eight first round. Pick and a third round. Pick you know. Obviously seattle's not in the may to trade a trade or now for nothing but like You know if they if they keep band. If it's advantage group our than you know. Like i i just they. They won't put this. They gave up their position of power so easily. You know like the the the power to be like. Oh we can take any player from any team. Almost you know Atwell and they were like. We're not actually gonna do that but we could've and boy wasn't that a scary week or two for you guys. Yeah i just intellectual ages. it's it's bugging me so much. I i wanna know so badly. What happened over the past week or leading up to the expansion draft and and how they played out this way but it. Can't i refuse to believe that this was like they're sitting right now and like yeah. We nail the past week. It went exactly according to plan nothing ever does. Of course there's thirty two teams now a changes your kind of subject to the whims of of other gm's but it's you're right like the gruyere thing kind of came out of nowhere right like they weren't even link to him heading into the day and then all of a sudden it's like ooh watch over seattle here in the know seattle's getting close group our and then they clearly giving him the sixth year helped quite a bit and we i think all three of us like robot like like goalie but it. Just it's kind of you have to lump it in with the bigger picture of sort of how they came came around to getting all these players and what they value why they went throughout the. Did ya the other thing to say again. I'm talking too much. i apologize But you know. I think back to. When ron francis was running the hurricanes what was the what was the problem. All those teams have a cam ward. They don't doesn't seem like they have cam ward situation for now. Two years from now they very could and be a no high end. Talent that can put the puck in the net. They still don't have high end. Talent that can put the puck in the net. And and so like. Let's put it this way you know jordan. Everley he wasn't even a first line player on the new york. Islanders a team that we think collectively as a as a analytics community or whatever. We don't think they're really You know that even offensive team. Let's say and even they were like kinda iffy on jordan everley up on the top line. Allow no no. He was playing with bars. Al boredom saying is like in their late scenario. Yeah yeah yeah area they. They wouldn't have been comfortable with like okay. Well mean one last thing. That kind of seems strange to me is that you see winberg go three years four point three and then about an hour later by costs on goes to montreal three years for five if you're looking at seattle roster and saying who is the guy that they should probably as in terms of what their needs. Are you probably say. Mike often like you know in terms of ican actually but the puck in the net and if actor on our plate which isn't something that they really have a yellow by. It's just kind of a kind of a weird thing you know and maybe you're from now. It's all going played itself out perfectly. They'll have set themselves up perfectly for next year's free agency or something like that but yeah it's it's it's strange. It's definitely a lot weird. I think you know even vegas was when they were putting that together. The the frustrating for me. I guess it's president. I think they're going to be good like in terms of the both divisional so defensive identity. I think they're going to win. A fair number of games But like a one satisfying argument at the direction they went would be if they were positioning themselves. For the next two drafts which are by all accounts loaded. And we're like all right we're gonna get top picks and try to get franchise players and build offensively through that route and these moves made them better Obviously not to a to a degree that lines up with how much they paid. And how much future term. They took on. But they now. They're kind of forcing themselves more towards the middle and as a team building philosophy. I hate that so not ideal Let's take a quick break here and then we're going to pick up with with more themes and notable signings all that after the break. What's the worst thing about selling your home. Probably all the time. You'll have to scramble for a last minute showing in somehow clean the dishes. Pick up your kids toys. Make all the beds and get out of the house and then our sounds exhausting. That's not the case when you buy and sell the home with orchard they'll help you by moving to your new place first and then orchard will take care of all the showings on your old house. 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The coroner's data pucks recover them. And i think that this free agent class is pretty big on on that kind of player and they got some some long contracts that i think that we can predict are probably not gonna look to caught the second half talking a specifically Blake holman economics line. Zakheim being another. And i i think you can even talk yourself into gave her atlanta skog being a third guy now list in terms of three guys who play the type of game that we have learned in the past ten to age too well across the players thirties. Who nonetheless. I think managed to get themselves pretty long term deals that that teams are probably thinking at a pretty win now perspective about. Yeah i mean. The oilers gave hyman five point. Five over seven Reportedly were trying to get the eighth year. By trading with the leafs in a sign and trade ad leaves returned down a fifth and a seven to make that happen and bring the down a little. Bit I think there is an important distinction because on hyman in terms of i think he's gonna be really good on next year's oilers and he's actually going to help them quite a bit and he's sort of the right type of player. I wish that they would prioritize Finding their own zakheim before he gets paid and developing him. The ways ronald data in terms of clearly improved every year added new skills. Got this point rather than You know just going and paying a premium for the finnish. Finnish made product when he is twenty nine years old. And the other thing. Is you know investing in the way they did. I don't think anyone listening to this. Podcast to tell them the issues with investing pricey seven year deal on a twenty nine year old. That's gonna take them into his mid thirties. But i do think that in this particular case with highlands playing style even more so than than i'd say cold than atlanta skog We sort of saw in the postseason when he was a step slower because injury that he was coming back from he was less effective now. He was hurt probably still so. I don't want to hold that against him too much. But it was kind of a red flag in terms of what this player could potentially look like as a contributor an impact player as he gets into further into today aging process and slows down ever so slightly because he is so reliant on just causing havoc and getting the puck faster than everyone else in so you know. Those are obviously legitimate concerns. But i think if you're edmund jan you're probably can can holland and they dettori doesn't care about this. I mean just look at the offseason. They had so far in terms of the ages of the players they brought in but they're probably thinking we've got dreidel on his deal for four more years we've got a david on his deal for five more years They're both in their mid twenties. We can't afford to have any more ways season. So heck if we can get a couple productive years out of high in play with either of those guys i five one five will worry about the rest later and i imagined that was. It's pretty simple as that. They're the rationale for the deal. They gave out those players. Are you know like in the case of david and try seidel the thing that always gets me about the talk about you know the window is now we have to maximize the window as kind of justification for these contracts that we know are not gonna particularly. Well is that you know. I think that one thing that we can take away from the past couple of years is that is how important it is to make sure that your window as long as possible like is that you have as many of the can as you possibly. Can you know we saw cosby and malkin win backups. In their late twenties early thirties ovechkin obviously yet away quite a while. He was thirty one when he got his anthony stamkos at a big reason that they were kind of able to have so many of the can is. Because i don't think any of those teams really made the kind of big july first acquisitions. They weren't the ones who signed. The lucia's are clarkston or anything like that. They gave themselves the flexibility that they could essentially have a ten year window. And i think one of the issues that i have with what edmonton did. Especially and you know you could theoretically make the argument that that even colorado kind of this is that they emphasized so much. The next couple years like the short-term than maximizing the statistical prime that i feel like maybe they are limiting the chances that they're stars are going to be able to have to actually continue to contend for a cup. If you don't the bucks just don't ask their way and ages turnover falsehood. Their own aren't able to to win a cup in the first couple of years. Also i think anecdotally ryan it feels like these deals where you sign it knowing that the latter half of it is probably knocked. Look pretty but you're hoping that the first couple of years are going to give your team. They added boost. They need it like these deals at an alarming rate. Become much quicker than we probably anticipate like. It's like within a couple of years or maybe even right out of the all of a sudden it becomes clear that it was a mistake. Not that i think. I think hyman assuming health is going to be awesome. Either writing shoko mcdavid or playing with dry seidl and kind of capitalizing on his passing and trying to sort of help them defensively and improve their metrics there but he does feel like in general with these deals where they they seem very. Ill advised on the service they wind. You wind up regretting much. Sooner than you probably think that the day you sign them yes sure The with the oilers. And hyman specifically like you know woah the knock on the oilers for one hundred years You know you going back to even when taylor hall was there. It's like they like four. Nhl wingers on the roster at any one time right. That's not the case anymore. Their problem is very clearly on defense. I think they probably have a bottom. Three bottom five defense in the league A with how everything is set up right now obviously Were not done With the free agency period there can be more traits that sort of thing but it seems like this is the group they're gonna go with and it's bad with that having been said you know I think that this is the thing we talk about on puck soup. A lot is what is can hog care like year four of the Of the hammond deal sucks. Ease going to not have a job anymore. Mcdavid and drizzle might might've asked for trade by them. You know like if they can't they can't like kinda put something together with this like duct tape and chewing gum approach To to adding talent upfront front and and adding maybe the perception of talent. You would say on the back end. it's not gonna it's not gonna matter. It's it's the same principle that you're seeing now in chicago. Where stan bowman's like i'm going to get fired four shore if we don't make the playoffs and maybe even if they do l. a. where they're doing will we go to accelerate the the rebuilding power out of it. We got to sign a filipino. We got we gotta trade for an arvidsson. Because if we don't do that drew doughty announcing colbert aren't gonna want out and you know lake at least with chicago and Oh in vancouver is the other team. That's like this Where it's like. Oh yeah we're destroying. Sign everybody we possibly can. We gotta get aggressive blah blah. You can't leave on the flames out of this conversation. You're you're right like honestly. I feel like the flames are like this shit. Will we do every summer. We just kinda sign like the seventh best guided the seventh biggest contract. And we hope that it's going to sort out all our problems and it never will but like this is this is just. Gm's kinda go. And i need to protect my job here And if these contracts don't work out well you know that's fine because they only need to work once. I yeah i think you know i mean obviously i monitor percent agree with you on on the motivations here i think that they're pretty clear in edmonton the only thing i would push back on. A little bit is on the highland piece. You know i. I agree with you. I think hyman is complimentary player. I especially like to seem dry seidel. I think that that would be a really good. I think he could probably improve recitals defense quite a bit because i think we already saw mcdavid. Take a couple leaps this year but the thing for me is that you know the problem with admit in hasn't necessarily been that they haven't had complimentary pieces on davis line like they've had hopkins and yemen goto and pull in even rv. This year. i think basically played zakheim broil and he did a job of it. The problem with Oilers offensively is that they can't score when connor Andrei aren't on the ice. And i would question but zach. Hyman does to solve that. You know the key. That's a great health and be a little bit better when those two players are on the ice which is great. But you know again. There are two of the players to be his connor. Mcdavid score one hundred and thirty points next year instead of one. Hundred twenty five And meanwhile you know that bottom the lineup. I i really like some of the acquisitions that they made at forward. I think that they actually it went about it. The right way and and i think that they that they've gone about it the wrong way in the past. You know i like worn fogel quite a did you even derek ryan. I think was a very savvy. Acquisition for for the fourth line center role. But you know those aren't guys who are going to go out and score twenty goals for you you know. And and i just i really liked sack highland but i just feel like he's kind of a luxury in terms of what they actually need and he says themselves up he sets them up in a physician like you alluded to dmitry. Where if that thing does go south super quickly if the knee injuries start to pile up if he slows down you know he's he's expanded. His skill set quite a bit like they developed really well in toronto. But you know in. This applies to coleman as while like if the legs start to go. He's not exactly the most kind of cerebral player out there like he. I feel like is gonna lose quite a bit of his value when and if that happens and they might find themselves in a position where you know this kind of once in a window opportunity to really reset the team with a giant pile cap space might come and go without them. Having really addressed their biggest needed forward. Which is you know tertiary scoring. i guess you could say and the crazy part is you. Don't even have to spend a lot of money to get those players. You just have to get them. You know stars right there you know. He's probably gonna million bucks because he was scratching to play off runs for having it on. I shooting percentage of six percent. Yup so but but now they're now they're full up on forwards as it was going to say i. I think four actually projects very well. Yeah i like the way. They're constructed the bottom. Six obviously needs more of a scoring punch but it makes sense as much of your holes. The blue line for me. Like jack when you davidson oilers and i thought you're going to bring up that like i think for me I just find what they did genuinely mind-blowing like i think the opportunity cost of everything they did on the blue line was showed a stunning lack of business. Abby right like cody c. Is a meme deservedly. So because he does funny stuff and i think the unintentional comedy factor of his game is is uncharted but he provided value to penguins last year defensively because he was making one point two five million and because they basically use them as like their fifth most frequently used defense against other teams bottom six and they got respectable numbers out of them. And that's great now the lawyers are basically signing him. And i i assume based on how their depth start shaking out right now will use him. And duncan keith. As essentially their shutdown pair against other teams best players and that brings up a variety of issues. From the fact that they're gonna get eaten alive off the rush. To how many times are we gonna see. Just possessions and the offensive zone for the oilers because mcdavid orders had passed back to one of these guys and they just fired into other teams shin pads or the net wildly like it just in terms of constructing complementary players to how team should be playing. They should be doing. I can't come up with the justification for. Why did they did on a blue. Yeah and this is the thing. I've been saying about karmic davidson's maybe his second or third season. Which is like they. Don't have any defenseman who go and get the life. We love watching karma. David get the puck and go two hundred feet but if a team Was actually supporting him. They would have defenseman. Who get them. Maybe like one hundred twenty feet of the way. Maybe maybe eight feet of the way something like that. But the fact that connor mcdavid has to go off down the ice up and down the ice up and down the ice like he's gonna run out of steam. You know he he could do it for fifty six games this year. Look really good doing it and you know i'm not saying like he's he is out of shape or anything like that but like it's just it takes a physical toll and you and you can't. You can't do a karmic david. Did this season every single night in eighty two game. This is just impossible so you know like to your point about okay you know. I think we all like darnell nurse pretty good. He's a good player interested to see who they put next to him. I think he himself is a good player. Who who kind of does that thing. That i was just talking about now when dario nurses off the ice what happens well. Here's what they're gonna do. They're gonna give tyson barrie premium offensive minutes because he scored a lot of points last year. Which is in. Turn gonna block evan bouchard. Who probably could do a very similar academic for a fraction of the price and then because they signed cody. Ebay bayfield empower the trade ethan bear. Who's also a good player making peanuts. Who was a good asset moving forward. And so that's what. I want to see the opportunity. They basically the players they acquired or the players. They signed here just like it was like a domino effect of all. We're gonna make one questionable of your and it's gonna lead to a series of bad ones and and now they come out of this with this blue line where jacqueline as thirty second ranked blue line in terms of your roster builder. Yeah it's it's not pretty and it's like a sub replacement of a blue line which is not something that was a thing last year like even with the worst team. Scott i mean it's it's a nightmare and and ryan like what you're alluding to the the mcdavid going up and down the ice and dry sauna going down the ice like that's why they're defensive. Numbers have always been so bad is because they are carrying the puck into end because they have so much speed. They end up behind the net. The rush goes the other way. And who are they facing. It's tyson berry darnell nurse and et cetera et cetera. And so and and they get paid on that way and if if the oilers were going to do an expensive renovation of their blue line this year it would've made sense for them to specifically target players who can defend the rush in in recognition of this is the way that mcdavid dry seidel score points by counterattacking. We need to make sure that when the puck goes the other way we're gonna all side and instead of thinking towards that you know. Now they have. I think demetri. You're you're right to say that at ccn. Keith are going to be the shutdown para because you know we saw nursing berry get fed essentially all the minutes with mcdavid last year like that was like i think berry literally played something like eighty four percent of his minutes with mcdavid or dry side last year i think he scored one point without either of them on the ice so i i think it's unrealistic to suggest that they're going to be used in the ups which means that you end up with duncan keith. Who can't defend this blinders. Savers life anymore. And cody c. c. Who maybe has taken some positive steps in that regard. But i wouldn't really wanna see things going downhill towards him too often. And that's i think a recipe for disaster and like you said with the opportunity cost can you confidently say that. The oilers would are better off right now than they would be. If they're top for was are known nursing youth. Bear and caleb jones and evan bouchard. That's fifty million dollars cheaper. And if you say you know that probably doesn't look too good the blue line there much better racist than fifteen million dollars than on the collection of guys that they got so it is baffling. And i hate that. We have to keep ragging on the oilers. Because like every time i wanted to podcasts. That always lines up with some inexplicable transaction. They've made but right they can on one easy. Yep and the other thing to say is on top of everything. We just said about their defense Other goalies are still mike smith. Go coskun like How you defend that as as a gm where it's like. Oh get look. Nobody's saying mike. Smith didn't have a good season last year. But this guy is what he's thirty nine now. This guy is older than me. No lucky if we if we don't if he doesn't work with him who by the way he signed for two more years We can just always fall back on migo coskun in the guy that everybody in ten is like. Oh this guy's a bomb like you know how bad you have to be for the edmonton media to rightfully land on the idea that you're no good like it's amazing. Yeah it happens. Very rarely very rarely. They're usually like i'm furious. With how badly Ryan nugent hopkins is playing. It's like he's not the problem here. You know that. That's the case. All right well ryan. It's it's your turn give other team or or a theme the on talk about i alluded to it earlier. what should bending doing exactly I you know. I i made. I made a a couple of passing references to it on twitter today in a few nuts fans. were like. we'll look. You can't say the forward groups not better in it's like you got me the defense though. Somehow it's worse. I i don't know arena are are we going to be in your ten of the rebuilt like Come next march or april. Yeah down there. Yeah i mean i thought. They had a series of logical moves in terms of shedding the salary that they did. I like the bed on. Halack was very low risk even though you had a bad year last year sherwin hot backup for that price. Yes holt be too. Yeah yeah and then they turn around into just spend a good chunk of those savings on hamilton pullman and just like whiteley conscious book white. Their hands are like all right. We're set on the right side here. And i just i yeah. It's it's mystifying. I did a podcast reasonable. Harming dial about it's i don't i don't have any other connects thoughts. Do you do jack or do you want to move onto a different parallel. The oil is very interesting because like waited to like like the. The projection has the oilers for group at six in the league and their defense at thirty second as the conducted at nights. Best forward group in thirty first defense corps like it really is kind of an interesting parallel with how the conducts made interesting acquisitions like dickinson in garland that i think plug and really nicely and then just matched by taking defense. That was already you know arguably the worst in the league last year and and somehow making it project worse in the sense that i'm getting from every single angry connects fan. Who bombards me with messages. Whenever i pointed this out is that They have hired a new assistant coach to focus on the defense next year. bradshaw from columbus. Who from what. I've been informed as going to wave the magic wand in vancouver in turn all of their bad defense indika defenseman again so i i mean it is possible i i i would certainly hope that clinton is going to have a forty three percent expected goal. Share it this year but it just seemed like a weird decision to go such a route of okay. We're gonna bring the band back together. In terms of having a ham and accuse pairing again. And there were also gonna have ackman larsen and myers pairing and then pullman is the guy that we're gonna put on broad impair lane. Just none of it makes any sense to me Late to two things. Brad hunt coming out. Columbus bradshaw or bradshaw hunters hunt did sign with a them. Yes that's why. I'm literally at their cap friendly page and i saw his name as i was saying that Bradshaw a okay. He's coming he's gonna fix the defense that word out for columbus last year steph. Jones was just doing the media rounds going. Oh i was terrible. I was really bad this year. I don't know what happened. You know like everybody in columbus had like a a career worst year last year. It so that guy's gonna that guy's gonna fix this group and then the other thing and this really. I mean if you need if you ever needed a quote to sum up the jim benning experience right when they say you know what's the plan for all recommend lars. Whoa you know you just you just acquired this. The gave up quite a bit to acquire this defenseman. What do you think his his quote. I don't have it in front of me. But paraphrasing was. yeah. I don't really know why his plus minus was so bad last year but i think we'll figure it out and it's like that that to me is just exactly what jim benning is all about where it's like. You know what i have. These preconceived notions something doesn't line up with them. Is mystifying have an answer. But hey it's all going to work for me baby. I'm jim benning and they're like well. You're not getting fired. So i guess on some level it is all working out for. You can make a quick comment on the bachelor just because we because we brought it up. I just had to look it up really quickly. I it just occurred to me that like while. He was the assistant coach of the blue jackets. They had exactly one season where they were in. Above average expected goals against him and it was the last season like the nineteen twenty year. So yeah you know that really is not a you know and you know. Maybe he's a really great tomato coach. Obviously not evidence of itself but if you're expecting him to turn around you know i think it's fair to say see fences. I think you could fairly say the word have been the worst events in the league at least last year and arguably the before in terms of just the sheer amount quality they allowed and the rush chances in a high danger opportunities and everything. And you know if you're going to turn this thing around at a year with no substantial difference in personnel except the added a guy ecm larson who the entire prayer on turning around is that. He's going to be happier in vancouver than he was in arizona because none of physical you know indicators of of somebody turning around their game are really present. That's that's a lot of hope to depit on a guy. And i feel like we could see a lot of six five seven. Six games between the oilers conducts unless the connects goaltending. Coach is able to continue to work the miracles that he has for the past few seasons and then during mccracken. And it's going to be like negative to to to one is going to be such a wild disparity between the defensive metrics highway All right we've been. We've been pretty pretty negative for the most part and i feel like this is the first day of free agency typically to those reactions because a lot of nonsensical decisions are made in panic moves. I wanna give the lightning and love because i joked on twitter about how the salary gap is kind of. Just like it's mostly suggestion was obviously parlaying jest. But i do believe that it only really limits you as much as your own sort of creativity. Ambition does and so the lightning just every year. It seems like we're wondering what's going to happen. No they're going to be up against it this time and all the times it is for whatever reason then finding away to talk a team into helping them out and most recently they get the blackhawks. Take tyler johnson's five million dollars over the next three years off. Their hands are going to be fine now. Pretty comfortable and also go. You know they go. Whatever they add period. Edward they add. Brian elliott the anzac. Or whatever offer. Cheap nice little pieces but also kind of somewhat quietly. I guess just turn around and one year ahead of time to sign britain point to a massive extension matches kucherov in basle obscure like all right. Well this isn't going to be an issue for us moving forward because we now we have them on a great value. Deal all of a sudden. We'll always they had the entire time but in terms of not worrying about What's going to happen with him in the future and so just in terms of the way they conduct their business. I feel like we just spend an hour talking about mistakes. And that's more interesting purposes to talk about but the lightning are a team that really seems to take advantage of all these available to them and just get it done through creative ways and i wanted to give them some some love your because it feels like we have been very negative so yeah i'll go ahead right. Oh well i was just gonna say like For them a team that is going to spend above the cap because they get to Like for them to have an almost twelve million dollar a swing in cap space by trading by training for seabrook deal and trading away. Tyler johnson masterstroke Like if you're the tampa bay. Lightning giving away player for nothing of a good player. A solid middle of the lineup forward Giving him waiver nothing except a dead contract. One of the worst contracts signed in recent memory That all works out great for you. That's incredible to me and they. They're they're just doing it every year. I would be shocked if they figured out how to get somebody else. Who's who's just like lt are retired. 'cause why not and then and then they can go out and they can get thomas guitar or whoever thought. They're going to get thomas to me. I think it's to me the tyler. Johnson i understand it was a season ago so he had an extra year term and it was a different different time in terms of how teams or spending. But we just like the jack. Your you're waivers straight. We just talked about how pilot johnson literally passed away and then because they're a really good team they wanna cup. He performed well himself a fourth line role scores from geeky goals. But now all of a sudden they're able to flip him without retaining any salary all they give up as a second so they get to keep their first for future use as well and it's just yeah once again they just regular out of it. The blackhawks were all too willing to help them out. And it's it's a good piece of work and so Yeah it's lower. You'd say about them check. Yeah i guess that the the two things. I it's always amusing with With the tampa cap stuff is that every time they make transaction that's related to cap space. There's always the immediate reaction of okay. This shouldn't be allowed. And i'm not saying that that's like a bitter thing writing that i'm just saying it's always the entertaining thing to me. Is that they. They are able to kind of bend but not break the rules so much that when they do the thing you know. It's totally eliades That's other rules go. They're able to do the trough thing you know. Then you know this time they acquire a player who has fallen tens of services retired and now they have them on their books and they're able to do the swing that way you know both situations where people can make arguments that it shouldn't be allowed but you know tampa doesn't care about that. They just they make it work at the second. Quick thing was that i just thought it was using that you know according to the projection model that breaking point contract projects the including the last year on his current deal projects to be the best contract in the league like it just goes through his entire prime. He's an excellent player. He's making less than ten million bucks and he's not really going to decline that much over the course of it at all. I just found it amusing. That is assigned a couple of days. Later in is the exact same term and As but is protected as the worst contract in the league which is the set jones contract so a lot of respect to tampa bay for having such a quick turnaround on that one. All right well Is there any other any other teams or players or Or themes that either. You wanted to get to so i did. I did want to talk about The bruins a little bit. I alluded to it earlier. With with the fort riley compares but like I should say they've done a really good job of of adding talent that without breaking the bank or anything like lindahl market is gonna cost them a bit of money and they just created damn wash for a third round pick. I think it was But taylor hall six million bucks and only four years. Seems like it's going to be a really good value for them. I am so sorry. I was just gonna say i'm gonna get to this but i i agree with you. The riley one in the in the hall extensions or both fantastic. I i wish they would have just. Maybe this wasn't an option. Maybe the operative forever in blake. Goldman picked calgary but they were the other team linked to him. And i understand the risk involved in this six year deal or whatever. You're the bruins. whatever. I would have taken that money. They gave they gave what three point. Eight to one point. Seven five to know zach. Two point three seven five two holler like would have been such a good player on this team the perfect winger and and maybe wasn't available to them or maybe they were too scared off by the six year term. But i wish they like gone that route instead Than i would have said it was like the best off-season yeah like that. That's that's the thing right where it's like i. I made a joke onto a really awry. Said like how many bottom six ford is one team need because they also have It should be said like a fair number of pretty good bottom six forwards already on the roster and so you know like pollino helps knows the kelps alps and and don sweeney said was that he likes. They can all play multiple positions. They can all play upper down in the lineup. As as need be and a lot of this kind of seems like david crazy doesn't resign insurance. I saw that there was a rumor around that that was gonna happen at some point. It hasn't happened yet. i'm sure that if he does sign somewhere. Boston will be the only team he really considered. It won't be for a lot of money 'cause he he just made a whole lot of money on this last contract so if we're if we're looking at what boston needed to do to shore up the defense we talked about Edmonton's problem was always that they didn't do anything good when mcdavid and And dry side were off. The is also the knock on the bruins Up until the the hall trade with When the when the bergeroo online came off the ice they were terrible So this settles that problem for them And i guess now the only thing you say is like boy. They use that four money a little bit better. Like if you're using it as a bottom pair guy. And he's going to be the the kevin miller punching people replacement. I guess that's fine. But i just think that The the bruins really solidified their spot for me like right near the top of that vision. Yeah i i would. I agree with tomato. I really would like to see coleman go there or even like i had the islanders. This kind of an interesting fit for him. I thought he would really really well there. I think it is kind of. I just disappointing to see coleman. Go to calgary. I think just you know. He's such kind of a playoff type player. We saw him kind of excel in that situation where he was. You know a. I think arguably the missing piece on those tampa teams. That really kind of helped. Like in place and i am a little disappointed that he's not going to be you know filling that role whether it was on the hall line or or in new york if he was kind of adding some scoring depth to that team that he's going to be kind of on on his calgary team. That is kind of innocent alluded to where we just kinda don't really know what they're doing I i agree with ryan you know. I like some of the some of the pieces that boss nat in the bottom six some of them. I thought were were a bit of a stretch that that fully knows second year might be a little dicey but you know overall. I think boston did what they had to. To keep up with pack 'cause they were at risk of being left behind and even if baby that ullmark deal is a little risky. I think that considering what florida's done and obviously tampa bay in toronto are still kind of trying to be strong contenders. Boston really had a choice but to to push all their chips wall while the marsin bergeron Pasternack line is is still the best mullaly. Yeah no. I agree with that on the whole thing. It's funny like everyone. The flames added Has good like defensive backs. But it's such a darryl sutter thing that just laying down on it and i guess like the ones as i really interested if they do play like coleman back on or something like that that's going to be one buzzsaw alliance. I'm i love when the player but yeah you're right but we'll see on islanders. They would have been an interesting bit for them. They've been in very lateral fashion. Very very quiet just lurking in the shadows and it seems like they're gonna bring back paul area and probably do a bunch of other stuff so we will see on that all right. Let's let's get out here. I need to. I need to lay down to have a couple of beers. It's been a very very long day over here. we don't have to do. The the modesty were like oh people should go go. Check out ep. Rinkside people have to check out if it. They're listening to this podcast. They should do so. We have an unreal amount of great content up there and if you're interested in signing up you wanna promo code for it. feel free to hit any of us up and we'll We'll help get you started on that. So guys oblast. I'm glad we've got to do this. Thanks for taking the time at the end of a a very crazy and we're gonna check back in at some point. We're both all right. That was good too about all right. That's going to be for today's episode. Occupied your guests. Thanks as always for listening. 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"All right let's do this. Podcast elliott considering the nhl's involved with numerous sports betting partnerships and have partnered with numerous sports books any indication of games being either thrown or players. Betting on their own games are taken seriously by the league and vander canes wife on instagram saying quote. Can someone asked gary bettman how they let a player gamble on his own games bet and win with bookies on his own games The nhl reacted swiftly and indicated. They will conduct a full investigation. To which elliott friedman says. What i'm sensitive to this whole evanger keene situation and a lot of people i talked to are the team that you know everybody's caught up in the allegations and what's been posted on social media but i think there are also people involved here who are sensitive to the fact that no it looks like he's headed to a divorce and you know i'm sensitive divorce personally jeff. Because in my family there have been a few of them and my friends have been through a few of them. And i see the bite it takes out of everyone involved and you know there's a young child here to a young daughter so i think people are really sensitive to that that the qian's are going through a very difficult difficult situation and if you can avoid it you don't wanna make it worse. You want to try to find a way to make that as easy as possible on everyone involved including the child so some of the people i've spoken to are like that's the big thing. We really should be worried about here. And i wanted to say that. Cain released a statement on his social media accounts on sunday morning. Denying the gambling allegations. And i know some people who are lawyers and you know one of the things that cain wrote there that they kind of agreed with was that a lawyer wouldn't want him to do it. That you know laura's advice is don't do that you have to let the legal process play out but it's really difficult when that's you and you're accused of that and it's spreading like wildfire on social media. So i understand why would come out with the statement. You know the league's going to investigate this for several reasons number one. They have to when the tim peel situation happened. One of the things we talked about was the gambling angle of it that you know right now all of these leagues coming out of the pandemic are going to be depending on gambling money. You can't have people thinking that your games are anything but fair. You can't people thinking they're fixed or they're fooled around with in any way shape or form and that's why i think they were very quick to come out with the statement and say they're going to investigate it because also if there's any evidence that something's happening with their games it's a crime and you're gonna have to deal with it so they're going to look at it. If you watch king play this year. He played he was probably san jose's best player and a couple of players. I spoke to said that you know by the way he played. You wouldn't think of anything like that but you have to investigate it and you know the other thing too is that because a couple years ago there was the situation which has now been taken care of or it was dropped anyway were a casino accused him of owing the money. You know the league's going to look into that too because there are simply going to say. Do we have any worry about here that he owed money to someone in. That was the payback. And i'm not saying it is but you have to look at that angle but at the end of the day the number one thing i think of when i see the situation play out with evanger. Cain and his wife is you know it's when you're going through these things as a family. They're brutal and i've seen it firsthand. And i hope for him and her and their daughter that at least they can find a way to sort out their situation so that nobody gets hurt anymore than they already have been and we hope if anybody in the situation needs help they get it on. Today's podcast we're going to go through all thirty two teams. This is the last podcast. We'll do where we focus on news and information and what's next for thirty two. Nhl teams. let's get right to it. Welcome to thirty one thoughts the podcast presented by the gmc. Sierra okay freeze get rolling here We have a lot to get to namely every team in the nhl. And where they're at and what's next for them we're gonna start the pacific we'll go division by division start west and go east and we'll start with a team that's been pretty quiet and some might say too quiet and some might say this is a calm before some type of storm may be a big trade who knows. Serve the anaheim ducks. He'd been pretty quiet. Elliott been pretty quiet really quiet and they have a lot of guys going into the last years of deals right so you know you're looking at that and saying okay. What exactly is going to go on here. Where the going you know. I did for a little bit here recalls name out there because i heard the docs weren't crazy about you. Know the number that it was going to cost to extend them but obviously that hasn't happened yet. You know the thing about bob murray is he's very patient and other. Gm's who deal with him say that he'll be like no no no no no and then all this you'll be like okay. This is never happening. You know come back with with yes and you're like where did that come from. So you know they've been around on eichel i think buffalo's asked to them has been really high. Think anaheim ask them about The number one overall pick it. I don't think it was closed. Buffalo really considered it. But you know they've been one of the teams. It's been around on eichel. And i'd still be surprised if we got to next year and they hadn't done something interesting. I don't know what that interesting thing is going to be like. There's gonna be a group of people here that say okay. We didn't do much in the short term. But you know maybe we do something in the second wave or third wave. And i think anaheim is going to be one of those teams. I think they're waiting and waiting and waiting to see what comes to them and says okay. We didn't get our first or second thing done now. We're coming to you. For third thing we saw tampa make a deal for brent seabrook. Yup can you see anaheim. Doing a deal with ryan kesler contract. They've let people know they'll do things like that like they're willing to be creative. That's kind of where we are and nothing would surprise me. I think they're willing to try some things. I think they're trying to think a little bit differently. As an organization you know jeff solomon is there now and from the kings in. I think that's one of the things they're looking at is how can we do some things that maybe we didn't consider or didn't do before Real quick before we get to calgary are ryan gets laugh remains in anaheim dock. There were rumors about edmonson rumors about nashville etcetera. Your thoughts on him staying in anaheim. I think it's what the docs wanted. I think dallas did make a pitch for them a big one a legit one. I think nashville did too. We heard edmondson's name. I think montreal has looked at him for you know the last year but now with perry leaving. I wondered if it just wasn't going to be possible. I kind of always expected. He would be back but he looked around There's no question about it calgary. Flames bring in. Blake coleman tyler pit lick nikitas adore off all moves that look like well just to be blunt darryl sutter type moves trevor lewis trevor lewis as well correct and he's a guy that sutter's love for a long time. You expect the sutter team to be really hard to play against. And they got a lot harder to play against you know. He has an identity that he likes and that team is definitely gone to that identity. I think they liked nick. Ritchie two brads there. I think they tried to bring nick ritchie over as well who chose toronto. That's going to be their identity. That's what they're looking at. I still think calgary is gonna look around until the eichel thing is settled. I believe they've been right in the middle of all of that. I don't think they're died. I think if they can find something else to do. It's interesting for them. they might do it. I know out there. The whole thing about good rose trade list coming in. You can only five teams. That was a big talking point in the market. I don't think the flames ever considered that a major pressure point. I really don't think they ever really looked like we have to get it done or else the list comes in i. I never got a sense. That was an issue. I think we'll continue to look around at things by at the very least as you said. They've transform themselves into more of sutter. Team you're gonna hate playing against them. Edmonton oilers cody. Warren fogel comes in freeth and bear who they signed who they signed. Zach hyman darcy camper of arizona and darnell nurse extension on the horizon that considering what the marketplace for defense is right now make amenity similar price there we say to jones and more renske your thoughts on what edmonton's done. Well i do a radio hit. Every friday on Bob staffers showing edmonton was my last radio. Hit of the year this year earlier in the week. jeff. I'd reported that they were looking at a four year extension with nurse. I think that has now changed. I believe now. They're looking at the eight year term. And i would expect that. That number is going to be around. Hamilton's number. hamilton did seven times nine. I'm thinking that if nurse does get this done and they are working hard of it. It's going to be around the times nine range you know camper. I think they lost out on camper because whichever prospect they offered. And i don't know who it was arizona like connor timmons more than they liked what edmonton was willing to offer. And that is why. Arizona went with that package. Fobel's a really interesting one in the sense that there was a ton of interest in fogel like i heard that carolina was actually a little bit surprised by how much the interest there. He was in to the point where they said. Are we kind of making a mistake here. Should we keep them. But they couldn't get a deal done and and now fogel got one done in edmonton. You know of all the things they did. You know the two that. I kinda really stood out with the most were bare and cece cece played really well in pittsburgh last year you know the even some teams that played against him said that they thought he would be a total non factor based in what they'd seen in the last couple of years but he played really well. They're like he's not a guy who i think is bothered by a lot of things you remember when we did an interview with mark stone. We told them you know we were talking about quote. Ec in stone laughed. And he said yeah. You'll never get anything out of him. So i kind of wanted. If he'd want to come back into this it did surprise me of it. We'll see how that goes by. The bear thing released surprised me. Because i really like bear. I like him as a player. I think he's still got a lot of room to grow and get better. I recognize you have to give quality to get quality but bear is the one move. I wonder if edmonton's gonna look back in the future and say i wish we could have had that one over. What do you think about all this. I'm a huge fan of ethan bear. I think that ethan bear you know. Actually you mentioned darnell nurse and that impending contract on the rise in any ethan bear help make darnall nurse better defenceman like certainly darnall nurse helped out ethan bear but i think the bear really in a lot of ways also help darnell nurse edmund to me was the most interesting team just because they had a lot of holes to fill and it seems as if this is a squad that has a couple of ferraris and it's almost as if the general manager has the most complicated rubik's cube to try to figure out here. What do you put around connor. Mcdavid leandra settle. How do you make all of this work. And not all of them are going to be hits. And i don't think all of them are going to be the huge misses that a lot of people think they're going to be but it was a situation where at every single position they needed to do something again. Our free agency sometimes teams going there. I need all we need is a left shot d. Or all we need is a goaltender backup goaltender all we need is a third line winger it edmonton had like a really big shopping list. This time around and anything in canada's going to be under the microscope and the and that's why i thought the cody c. Thing was was really interesting because he's had to go rounds in. Canada won an auto on and one in toronto and seemed as if you really found a home in pittsburgh and i think we do have to tip our caps to todd weerden. Who worked with him. A ton in pittsburgh like number. How gonchar was it was the defense whisperer with the penguins for for solar earns. Very good to reruns. That are real good job. And i think he's in point is is cody c. c. And he got a lot of term and he got a lot of money. The only question is how is he going to be In the canadian market the interesting thing for me for edmonson though fridge is right now and we'll see what happens but right as of right now they're going back with coskun in and smith. I gotta think that's going to change. I gotta think that's gonna change but as it is right now were there. Were talks about the buffalo sabres yes with cost keenan and then after the kemper deal to colorado all that conversation went away and as if the golden market sort of dried up. But i would not be surprised at all. if come opening night it's anton khudobin starting netminder edmonton oilers. The i think that's a fair one to guess. Dallas is gonna wanna move. I guess i don't know what the rules are here. We allowed to talk about other teams or do we do each team alone. But i agree with you. I think dallas is going to move a goalie. I gotta tell you. Every time i tweeted out something about edmonton in the last week. It's almost like i wanted to just run away from my device because it was. I just knew it was like setting off a grenade on twitter. You know there was one guy who was damning me and he's he's a decent guy but he was just deeming me wine angry oiler thing after another and i just said it's bad enough out there. I don't need this in my. Dm's man they're They're shaken out there right now. Those fans we'll see. We'll see how it goes. Okay to the los angeles kings here elliott and i look at l. a. and we've talked about this before l. a.'s. Done the rebuilt. The rebuilt the los angeles kings are over and this free agency period proved it whether it was the arvidsson deal or perhaps specifically the philip. The no deal her five point. Five million dollars is the a&v and now they're running up the gut on. Say copay tar and philip the no one two centers selke trophy candidates. What did you think of. La and do you agree with me that rebuild. His totally done here. I mean they're still going to grow a bit but they've listened to what doughty and copay tar had to say and they want to get people back in the bill. I eight like to me. That says the kings are looking at their situation. They say we gotta sell some tickets here. So i got a funny taxed after denault signed in my list of predictions. I predicted denote to la. The first time. I did it or say l. a. and makes a big run or something like that road but in my second predictions the night. Before i kind of said i'm chickening out a bit i think. La's there but there might be some other teams as well and when he signed like. Someone texted me from around the kings. And they said you didn't have enough guts to hold to your prediction. You waiver view wavered. They did a really good job of keeping a quiet. You know for example. I i will tell you that denault works out. I guess the gym in montreal. And someone i know as a connection to the gym texted me and said find out if the no was in. La yesterday or went to la yesterday and this would have been. I would have found this out on wednesday the day of the free agency so it was tuesday and i texted someone and they said no. That's not true so now. I think it's possible like i don't know right now i may have had my timelines off. It's possibly might have gone there to visit. So when i heard this tip and i told no it's not true really doubting myself and but ally went hard like day. Outbid the rangers i. I don't know if they gave him an extra year or a bit more money but they were willing to go to a place at the rangers weren't willing to go you know. That's why they got him and adler to like adler on one year deal. You know you're not doing that. Why are you signing. Alex to a one year deal unless your goal isn't to compete in that division right. We talked about we allen a new challenge last week. I think adler will be rejuvenated by that to san jose sharks Bringing nick benino andrew cog leeann your netminders now aiden hill and james rhymer. Listen san jose's talked about before have a lot of big ticket players Whether it's eric carlson whether it's spent burns logan could sure is on a real sweet deal. They're really interesting team. And a tough team really to get a read on the. You have a read on the san jose sharks. They plug some holes. They wanted to plug. They wanted a third line center. And benino is a perfect fit i think. They wanted some positivity around their group and be does a pretty positive guy too. He's got a really good reputation as a teammate and cognitive does as well so i think that helps. The in thing is really interesting. I do think they want to give him a chance to show you know. Can he take job. Can he be the guy and rymer gives them a little bit of flexibility there. Just somebody with a bit more of a pedigree case. Anything goes sideways. But i do think that they really do want to say to hill. We'd like to see what you can do with this. San jose's kind of a mixed identity place right. Now you know. I'd heard some rumblings about t- mo meyer in new jersey. Those were flatly denied to me. You know someone said you're you're way off and don't go down that road so i'm not but i do think that doug wilson is trying things like before you know before they bought out martin jones i think he tried to trade him with some retention right so i don't think he's done trying extricate himself from things and obviously whatever happens with vander keen. We'll see where that goes to the seattle cracking. And i don't think anyone thinks that they are done by any stretch of the imagination They have cap space. They have a lot of defensemen Their defense looks good though still need a number one center and does it seem like and maybe this just opened the doors for that vantage deal to go back to washington. Philip grew our sort of landed in their laps. Six years five point nine million av colorado was only willing to go a certain place i think it was five times five or five times. Five point two five and then seattle came right in and beat them to it. It was a bit of a surprise. You know word started leaking out of what an hour before it happened that they were going hard at him but it was still a little bit of a surprise that seattle would do that. Because one of the things that seattle talked-about wise they weren't crazy about term and they bent it. In a couple of cases they benefit for alexia. Act they bended for jaden schwartz and they bended for group bauer but other than that they really tried to keep it tight near the one thing i think about the cracking is there's gonna be no easy games against them this year They've put together a roster. That's going to beat you up is physically going to wear you down. Comet you hard. I agree with you. They still need to number one center. And i wonder a little bit how much they're gonna score but i think they're going to defend really well and you know that when you go to the Cracking house that. You're going to get some bruises that davila. I'm really curious to see how people handicap that division. That's going to be a really interesting division next year. The pacific is gonna be vegas some would say edmonson some might be inclined to saving hoover. Who will talk about here in a second and a whole bunch of question marks up you might even just say vegas and then a bunch of question marks which will offend everybody edmonton. I get that. Let's get to vancouver Much improving kubrick squad. We talked a lot about Alva rex tillerson and connor garland throw jason dickinson into that mix and tucker pullman and ura slava halack and getting rid of bloated contracts albeit ones that were set to expire anyhow but still and all of a sudden and i know that the pederson in the point hughes the oser still out there. And we'll talk about that in a second but when you look at the lineup elliott even just with a couple of editions. Doesn't everything seemed to fit nicer. And if you're travis green are you now finally looking at your roster and saying we've got three lines can score here. I think right now. If you're travis green you're happier with your group on paper. I would definitely agree with that. I will say this. I think one of the more eyebrow raising contracts was pullman. I think that one caught some people by surprise. But i'm prepared to see you know what the cannot see here there deeper. These should be better. I still think you're looking at pederson hughes and waiting to see why they signed for before you truly stand the full piece of the puzzle. I do agree with you that this team should be better and the other thing that they did which i thought was really interesting was they really went hard to make abbotsford a contender. So they've got a lot of players there who are good h. l. plus nhl depth players and their close. You know you don't have to worry about getting them across the continent things like that. If you ever get a situation where you've got a ton of injuries. Those guys are generally closer to home now and there are a lot of guys who can play in spots at the nhl level. So i kind of liked all that. I'm just waiting to see. Once they get pederson hughes signed. This is not a travis green problem. Because you'll have them on his roster but white their caps situation is going to look like any idea what the holdup could be on these two deals. I know we're still seven weeks away. But i think there's a couple of things number one you know. You can't really sign them long-term right because you don't have the room to do it. But i think the other thing is in hughes case in particular now his situation's a little different because he's not eligible for an offer sheet but look at what happened to d- contracts are. We just talked about her with l nurse. And we're going to talk about it. More as we get into seth jones dougie hamilton later. Exactly so. I'm sure that that has hilma car. Hang what am i about. Kill makarios the obvious one. What are you doing merrick. That's the obvious. One that changes the equation around hughes. So we'll see bite. Like i like a lot of the debt signings. They made i. I like liu shan brady keeper. I like brady keeper there. You like keeper. I'm really curious to see pod kohl's in. I have a personal rooting interest in jack rathbone. I like his story. And i wanted to do well. You know i thought jason dickinson was a good pickup. I t