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Tallest Man in the Room

Attack Each Day: The Harbaughs' Podcast

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Tallest Man in the Room

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It's time to talk about attacking life each day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. This is attack each day the Harbaugh's podcast with Jim Harbaugh. Hello everybody and welcome to another edition of attack. Each day. The Harbaugh's podcast. I are watch once again with coach Jim Harbaugh coach Jack carbos back from the NFL spring meetings in Arizona, the record recruiting Matt Dudek Asira, our producer McKinsey is here as well. No lucky sports parents this week. But instead we're going to have a draft preview with former Michigan tight end Zach gentry is going to join us here on tax day, the Harbaugh's podcast. And of course, with the return of Jack. That's the return of Jack talk. There's no Wally pipping going on. Jack is back. We're excited for the Jack talk here on the show. A reminder subscribe to us on apple podcasts. You can listen to the podcast one app or on podcast one dot com. Please follow us and contact us on Twitter at AD podcast or using hashtag, Jack talk. Welcome back, Jack. So good to be back today. I know it program tomorrow. Be tomorrow is Tuesday right today is Monday got a bit of a tan to. Look at here out there. Your sleeves at the baseball and the port look at look at marv's how nice. How nice crispy I needed data. When I saw that snow one was it yesterday. We saw the snow today, April first, April Fools day whose birthday April. I got all. All. A lot of hands going up first her first birthday. Well, I know everybody's going to do. Well, there's actually three there's there's there's Bob EUFOR and Boesch mbacke lineup ninety nine and ninety would have been Silverton Suber hall sucrose Tyrrell's bird, a super sewer on April first and drum roll Joseph Sepedi Joseph so PD the IP the father of Jackie Harbaugh. It's a big day April. First big big day. We used to have a little get together for for bow. And sue and Bob you for a big party to celebrate April. First bow would stick around for about twenty minutes to say a load. Everybody got his car. One home. Allowed us joy. But I just got to tell you about breakfast this morning breakfast. With Jackie we kid each other. We're sitting along with the big table. Jim, right. I'm at one end. And she seems like she's a county away at the other end of the table and just shot out. Jackie. I think I know what I'm going to do. I'm going to do next in my career. I'm going to go out, and I'm going to apply for high school coaching job here closed Ann Arbor where I can I can coach high school football. It's time for me to make a comeback, and she just rolled or is it really started to laugh, you know, like like, I was only kind of joking. And I said Jackie don't before you get all concerned. Let me just tell you that I want you to be on the staff. I want you to be the offensive coordinator of the team that I'm going to coach this would be revolutionary. You know, bring bring a husband and wife onto the staff and we're coaching together. And and she goes, I don't want anything to do with it. I you're another one of your crazy things that you're going with. I said, no, I'm serious and will be a press conference. You know, and I'm gonna nounce you as the offense coordinator. And there's going to be a question on what kind of offense that you're going to run all the ones or mood. Totally changed. She said, well, the first thing that I. Laughing to see her catch him with the first thing. I would say what would be I would have to study the team find out what town of talent we had whether we know we'll get throw the ball or maybe run the option or something like that. That would be the first thing I would do. And then the other thing I would say is hold on a second. I'm not about to tell you the kind of offense. We're going to run because I don't want to give the opponent an idea before the first game on on what she she was. She was serious masterful. Coach Thicke right there masterful thought to myself. I think she would go for. Gone to something. I had a great morning, and they'll appoint that you say, April Fools. Way ahead of me IRA way, head of me. So that was apparently not the only April Fools pranks going on this morning. Mr. Dudek, you you'd like to have a lot of phones at the expense of your kids. I love I love best around with my girls this morning. I woke them up. I set it up last night. A little bit mentioned like boy, we're supposed to get some snow again, you know, wouldn't it be awesome? If you had another snow day at the end of spring break get an extra day. So I went in with my my cell phone, film them waking up going. I got a surprise for you snow day. And so the twins were tearing they're running around. And then we go into abbey the ten year olds a room and Juliana comes Burling in going, Abby, Abby snow day and out of a dead sleep. She rolls over and goes, it's April. It was good. So she's onto you. Yes. She is very much on to me. I can still get the twins for a little while longer. Well done though, welcome good attempt. So I thought you guys over the weekend. It was a few days ago. Actually, I saw tweet it was tweeted out and the quote it screens Harbaugh family. The tweet says destroy your distractions today with the termination to dominate go. Get it whatever you're it is and that tweet came from Tom Corinne. So it makes perfect sense that he's he fits right into the family with some great sayings to other attacking the day or putting distractions behind you. It's a pretty good. Pretty good, quote that you probably user not something that you guys still live by two from you, Tom is masterful. Now, he he reads, and he every day he comes up with something that's motivational. And the masterful thing is that he speaks to his team. You know, he doesn't speak to the to the fan base. I don't think he has much. He doesn't fake a speak to the. The pressure of the media. He really speaks to his team. And I think the team is locked into that. And he does a really good job of that quote. I as I said, I definitely thought Harbaugh's when I when I read that one from coach cream so coach Harbaugh now the weakest bring ball in the books how things been the last week good. But really competitive been guys are in great shape. They're moving around good. I'll practice and that's been the case every single practice. We have seven in the books right now and the guys Zola next practice will be on Friday and then fan fest on Saturday and then Sunday practice, where would you like me to go with it? I mean, there's there's guys that are that are really stepping up people always like to know who the new guys are that are really doing. Well, and I would have to say that of jeeter continues to to cement his body and his role and keeps going away. He's going. I mean, he's going to be deaf. Starter for the other newcomer is my Sander SIL, he's he's on his way to submitting a spot in the starting lineup as well. Doing a fantastic job at all the receiver positions more. You're you're on a roll you're on a roll. I like fans we like to hear the new name. Here here freshmen come in and have that kind of an impact to seven practices. He's really he's really been outstanding. And it's not just he's getting open. He's he's fast. He's he's added a level of speed and quickness to our offense that has been outstanding Josh talks about speeding speeding space. And and that's Mike. He's doing a heck of a job in that area and also blocking. I mean, there's been times where it's showed up where he's blocking forty forty five yards downfield and getting touchdown blocks. He's he's really done. Great and continue to learn learn the offense. Learn football get the time on task. That's that's really the place that he can he can most improve his game. But really happy with Mike Sammer still question on that real quick. Because you hear people ask about receivers running backs. You never taught no one really talks about how he blocking pass coverage with receivers. Oh, his big target. He gets opened to is this. But you jumped after mentioned that briefly you went right to the blocking. Art. How important is that? In addition to the other part of it to get on the field that you can block to help sustain and get those longer runs because you're doing things on the outside. If you don't have the ball, then you become a blocker even a quarterback who if he doesn't have the ball. He's trying to fake and pull pull a defender away from the ball carrier and receivers if they don't have the ball, then they become a blocker. Whether it's in the run game or the passing game. And you may only have a couple of five or six targets game. You may get the ball thrown to you that many times you may have two or three catches and that that shows up on the stats sheet, but receivers aren't involved in the in the blocking and the running their route. Whether it's on the front side of the backside, then they could probably go through the game and not even get there. Grace t shirts sweated. But there's there's a lot of ways to play all the plays when you're receiver, and and that's running every single route and blocking on on the running plays. And he is shown up as a guy, you know, second third effort that that's doing a heck of a job. I theory about receiver saying, you know, we have some receivers in the NFL receivers that kind of call attention to themselves. You know, we don't we don't call attention himself. And I really think it's boredom. I really do. It's they'll be like even in a pro game. There's be six or seven balls thrown to a receiver in a game. You know, he'll catch maybe four or five some down the field. Maybe more maybe seven eight sometimes they'll catch the ball and run out of bounds where there's no contact. So there's probably only about four or five times that there's going to be contact initiated on a receiver. And he really if he's not blocking and he's not doing other things to to help the team he gets bored. And then they find creative ways to for. Celebrations and for ways to call the tension himself so way gyms talking about his get involved in blocking. Then you don't have time for that other stuff. And I do like here in the physicality of freshmen a lot of times you to think an eighteen year old comes in human not even be eighteen yet their early enroll e but to be right in there. Doing the physical stuff through the early. Part of Cape is always good to see a return guy to Jim. Yes. Yes. He's going to do definitely do punt returns. And and he's in the rotation at kick returners. Well, he's already up to number two on the depth chart as a punt returner. And he's number four kickoff returner right now. So you doing he's doing great. Thanks, Sean mccune is really gotten to be elite as a tight end in his blocking and his route running the new guy on the scene that tied in is is Eric all doing doing. Unbelievably great job doesn't always know what he's doing. But he's always doing it. Full speed. You love that. Also, Schoon maker Mohamed and Eubanks are are all progressing, really. Well, Knicks Nick Eubanks and Shawna the two starting starting tight ends. And and then Moustapha is in a in a backup role right now. But he's he's doing he's doing some some really good things. He's had some excellent practices. And then you know, he's had a practice where maybe he wasn't as involved. And so when he gets that consistently consistently good. He's he's definitely going to be a good factor on our team. So like the way those guys are coming along the effects of line. I I I've talked a lot about Jeter. Eight Hutchinson is is no surprise doing has stepped up his game. He played in all games last year. And and started two or three games. He is starting at the anchor position right now and and doing fabulous. So as quickly pay starting at defensive end jeeter at the three technique. We talked. Hamp Carlo camp as our starting knows right now and doing a fabulous job and feel really good about that front right now. It's it's starting to cement, and and you're starting to know who the starters are there and got it mentions Luigi villian who's hasn't played any football for the last two years. He's he's missed his freshman and sophomore year due to injury. But he is now in in the two deep he is backing up quickey Mazi Smith is his backing up Carlo camps. So Mazi come onto the scene and doing a great job. There's good battles at the linebacker position for the starting roles. Rawson Anthony at the Mike Becker and mccrone and Gil Guillemette grown Rawson Anthony there, they're all they're all in there and and battling and doing. Well, so click still the the head and shoulder. Viper glass. Cow is playing all positions. Viper will and Mike. And and doing a great job solid. Cemented in there as the Sam backer cornerback newcomer category. Vince graves starting right now at left corner doing a fabulous job, amber Thomases, starting at the right corner. Brad Hawkins is found himself a starting role as as the nickel and Mattel woods or cemented in there at the at the safety. So things are becoming the pictures become an becoming clear. Clearer and through seven practices, and we forge out. It was interesting thing spring practice like if you lose some players, and they go, and then they come out, and you see these guys that were kind of blow the radar under the radar and then all at once with with an opening, you know, it's like a racehorse east coming down the backstretch and the horses kind of part a little bit. He sees an opening any any makes a burst fort and some of the guys you've described I think you could describe that way. They see a little opposite open out, and they are gonna take it. Yeah. They're great examples. Ben Mason is backing up jeeter. He's in he's in that rotation that starting type of rotation at three techniques. He's also starting at this hybrid running back tight end position that we have on the team and the other guy that is really seen. Some light a crack of light is just running through. It literally is bent bent summer. At the at the running back position. He's showing speed. He's showing a cutting ability that that we didn't forsee as well. The lightness on his feet the be able to stop start get back up to full speed. And then. Also, the finish, man. He is he has the ability to finish through the soft shoulder. What a smile on my faith. Out the other end, Josh. And I were out in the hallway yesterday talking, and you get these these backs in and you can block a play perfectly. I mean center that guard the tackle the tight end can block it perfectly. And then they dropped the safety down in there to that side, and you can't count for him. So about three or four yards off the line of scrimmage. Here comes a safety. You know, this guy, and you look for the soft shoulder you try to create it you'll make a little booth to the to the right? Get him Lena net direction. It creates a soft shoulder. And then you come back through that that soft Shoda, you create this guy does not create soft showed what he no he doesn't look for salt. He creates them. So in that safety comes up there. I mean, he just looks at a shoulder and runs through it and all at once it becomes a sauna show. So it's just a shoulder. He turned he turns into but what happens is as a game goes on having been a a secondary coach and safety comes down there and he'll make. Tackle and he'll make attack on all at once. You get a guy like this Merck. Toby Gerhart was that kind of guy about the fifth time that you come down there. And and you look at Summerlin or or Toby at all once you and what they do they stop and they let them run by. I mean, they don't get in front of you. And then they jump on your back and you carry him for about three more yards. They become a little softer in their approach to making that tackle. Really going to make your day. Now, I can see the smile on your face. The football. You know, the the juices are flowing you're watching the tape. And now we're gonna make your day. You ready? Go last podcast. We talked about Ryan Hayes and his emergence tackle another guy is emerging tackle watching the practice. Tape of practice six this offense of tackle showed up five times in the in the good play cut up and offensive coordinator. Josh Gaddis, even pointed them out at look at this guy who is this number seventy nine. Yes. Yes. Break Robinson Jack Harbaugh but pounding the table literally for two years for senior tackle, Greg Robertson, and he is a merged. I just want to want to go back to stop the meeting. I said Josh you gotta go to my dad, say great Robinson's. Really having a heck of his fraying you wanna make you wanna make my dad's day, he. He was two years ago. I can recall watching practice, and at that time, you're really looking for players and everything, and I kind of mentioned I mentioned number seventy nine, and I got a kind of a okay, you know, it wasn't any ruin throughs iast effect one day. I think he did get a chance to get in there and play a little bit. And then he got hurt. I will say this. He had a couple of things he was always kind of like just getting in there. He's about to play. And then he'd have a bit of a setback. And I would give it. I would give it the. Oh, wow. About seventy nine, and I would get no I contact little icon to okay. Good look at him. And all that talk about from coach Dr. No, well, I maybe even. The names out. I could. But I. Fan of Greg route. So I I checked in the name leaving the protect the innocent. I think he has good feet, and he has a body that can get in front of people in feet that can move a little bit. I play with a lot of savvy right now, he's he's what is he a junior senior senior with two years eligibility. So he's got this year next year. I'm excited to hear that make your day. You can tell. What about the specialist coach haven't heard much about the kickers in the punters? There's a real battle going on at kicker right now between Quin Nordine, and Jake moody and William Hart is doing an excellent job as the punter George Carrington as a heck of a strong to in the snappers are are doing a real good job came in Cheesman having a very good spring. And we also have a grad transfer. That'll be coming in as well, let's say his name that we're really excited about. But instead, I can't say the name. So that's that's where the specialist. Good battle going on a kicker. I mean, we're we're going to have whoever the kicker is going to be. We have a really good kicker, and we're going to have a really good backup kicker as well. Hearts holding Dylan McCaffrey's, holding and returners Ronnie bell is right now starting as the punt returner and kick returner as I said, Mike Sanders shows backing up as punt returner, and amber Thomas is backing up at. Kick returner Oliver Martin is third punt returner. Mike Barrett is the third kick returner and Mike Barrett's the fourth punt returner and Mikey, Sandra. Still and Oliver the fourth kick returner you didn't touch on the offense line. I don't think very much, but did that so much last week that but the one thing I like about them. They're there every day and same guy's name. That's a great guy every day. I mean, you see them lining up there every day. Whether it's snowing or whether it sunshine, or whether it's seventy degrees, or whether it's ten degrees. The same six seven eight nine night is crying play after play after play and all that relates into. I think so right knitted unit game day. You're exactly right. There's no question about that. And there's there's there's a magical thing thing that makes you feel really good about yourself as a football player when you make all fifteen days spring practice when you're there every single day doing the things that you're talking about right now every single day, you're there, you're vailable you're playing you're getting better you practice in football. No question. I shared I shared with the team that John Harbaugh sent me a couple of weeks ago. He said I read a book and the title of the book was how to get good at anything. When you're a human being he said that was the title and inside the book there it had one word in the one word is practice. Sort of able to show up fifteen days and get make every single practice and you're getting better football by practicing football. And I think your teammates really begin to trust you when they see you every day, you know, when they see whatever, you know, some days, you're not just showing up it's coming there and giving that same effort every say, it's not up and down and sideways type thing it's at same top before your top performance every single day. No, you're so right. Teammates rally around you when they see you you're taking the day off or they see not not showing up. They see you over on the sideline. There's no doubt about it. You haven't smiled in four practices. And then you you you have that look that sour look on your face. You know that that look on your face that looks like you've you've sat on the couch and perfected that over many hours to get to that. Our look. Just but no group a pit of misers that more than offensive lineman. I mean, they are there every night. I mean, the good part of it there every day, and they know drill off. They take no drill off. They take no practice snap off. I mean, they're there to perform and they're they're going to get better. And it's going to reflect in offense to play in the fall there. The defensive live with the exception of one there's been the defensive line has done the same thing Hutchinson. Jeeter pay camp there every single day Mazi Smith Luigi villian, Ben Mason danger, Machi there every day Julius wealth cough gave Newburgh Joey George been there. Every day a job. Oh up show there every single day use the word trust. I I would say contagious, right? Because if they're working high tech is working at heart. I better be working hard to that guy smile. And why am I not smiling? Aren't those things also contagious where if one guy is working? Hard that it's supposed to bring everybody with them too. If your motives of pure, and you're a team player, and you wanna make your team the best as you could possibly make it. I promise you that trust will reflect in how your teammates approach you. And how they respond to you before we go. We got a tweet last week. I wanted to ask you guys briefly about that. But we'd asked a couple of weeks ago mad about the what people like about the podcast of what people might want to hear more about Bryce bam. Fifty eight tweeted, he said love the family atmosphere, and the wisdom, I get from the podcast want to hear more on Jack's time at western MICH, western Kentucky, which we do spend a lot of time on Jack talk, and we'll obviously continue with those. But also Jim start at San Diego. And how the coach is balanced our lives while being great, husbands, fathers and friends. We haven't spent a lot of time about that. First time, you became a head coach go to San Diego you had played a lot of professional football. You played in college. You were on the staff of the raiders. But when you get that first opportunity to be a head coach, and you take that over for the first time, how many things did you learn like that you didn't know or what things did you learn because you've never gonna head coach before. Learn so many things I mean, how to how to do so many things how many thousands literally probably the first biggest thing that I learned was that it is all the little things, you know, all the things that people think are the small stuff or the minutia. It's it's a thousand little things add up to make all the difference. It's not the this is the key. Or that's the key. It's it's all those little things and going from assistant coach or going from player to coach going from coach to coach head coach thing. I really learned was that you make those decisions and every decision you make affects every aspect of every other thing. And you're all alone in it. When it's when it's all over you are you alone, and you have to make that decision. It's and then that's the course that that we are going on. And makes you sad. When people don't want to go along with that, of course of action. But in time you make it right? We're talking about the foundation of the team the team the team foundation is trust. And you reach it. I mean, you start you put a staff together. And you're hoping magically it's all going to come together on day one. And it doesn't work that way day two year one sometime here two years. It doesn't come the way you want it until at some again magical point where everyone realizes that everyone is truly a head coach. I mean, when there was a policy in place, and you know, it's in place, you hold yourself accountable. But you hold others on the staff accomplished isn't to head. Coach's responsibility to see everything it's not you're responsible sit back and say oh Joe Jones over there. He screwing up why can't wait to the head coach sees this. He's going to get. His tail chewed out. I take care of it. I take care of it. So the head coach doesn't have to handle that best teams I ever coached where the years that I found myself not having to worry about every little single detail was being handled by the players in the locker room, and it was handled by the coaches in their locker room and some things did did come to me. And we were able to handle it the years at every day ten fifteen people walking through your office with we got this problem. We got this problem. We got this problem, and they and they weren't being handled. It are the years that we struggle. So at trust and building that trust is. So so important any team, including the team that you have at home, you find that that Wayne's over like, the have fewer those people come to your door as the years go by 'cause you're not have maybe the guys that were under classmen when you first got here. They don't know your way, it's a new system new coach at center of by Tom, they're seniors, and maybe a freshman or sophomore is doing something that they can step in because they've gone through three. Four years in the program, or is it just really depend on the year by year scenario. There's really good teams where where the players they lead. And you get the ones that have the the motives were. They wanna make Michigan. Great and they wanna make themselves. Great. You know, better. There's better years than others when it comes to player leadership at dad's. Exactly, right. When you have that you have that. Senior led group. That's a great group. I mean, it's you know, it when you have it. But there's also an aspect of it changes every year because there are new guys that come in every single year, new coaches college football is a new team every single year. So I've always I've always known that. I mean, that's kind of the job that you have as a head coach when you you know, that every single day between the hours of seven AM seven PM something's gonna have some something is going to occur when you had that many players on your team, and they have families, and they have they have friends that that something's going to something's going to occur that you're going to have to make a decision about. And and resolve another try to -ticipant, and you and you resolve, but you can pretty much count on just about every day between those hours something's gonna come up about one hundred fifty eighteen to twenty three year old guys that have families and friends at cetera and. Good things happen bad things happen. But they all end up somewhere along the way probably cost crossing crossing your path. I look at our stabs back in the seventies. I mean, we had nine full time coaches we had head coach Bo Shem, and then we had to graduate assistants on offense to graduate assistants on defense. We had no recruiting coordinator strength coach we had. We had a trainer that was about it. I mean, it was it was tight. I mean, you get them into a room and sit around the table, but now in programs. I mean, it's around the table. And then around the wall. I mean, there's there's a lot of moving parts. That come into play this day and age that we didn't see in the seventy. Yeah. I mean, there's two things really. I mean, if anybody I look at it if they give respect then they're going to get that respect back. And then some if they give grief, then they're going to know what hits them. As dad was talking about earlier, though, the thing that I love about our current situation is that take the staff, for instance, coaches recruiting coordinator sitting right next to me here strength, coach nutritionist athletic, director, trainers, the doctors everywhere, there are people that are competent and really good at their job. And they they're go getters, and they they do their job really well and this year more so than any other year as head coach. I'm not getting thinned out in in having to do gotta go. I gotta do this job. And then that person's not doing that job. So I gotta go do that job. And you get thinned out so much that you're not really doing the job that as well. As you could when you're when you're trying to put out fires and do different four or five different jobs at one time and micromanaging is not necessarily the best recipe for. Success when you that way, you can focus on your remained jobs. So great stuff. They're building four to our next part of the podcast as this week. We're going to push the lucky sports parents offer a week or two, but really looking forward to talking to Zach gentry who's going to in the NFL draft upcoming and coach for the first time, maybe or maybe the second time since I've been involved in the podcast anyway, been here in the air chair that you will not be the tallest guy in the room. You're I think you've always been a tall guy in the room. But it won't be ones that gentry walks. It is not you. And I are you and I have never been guy in the guy. Nobody else. So I like being in a room with like elementary school. Nice and tall. Yes. Usually the tallest guy in the room. But it won't be the case with Zach joins us neck looked Puerta talking gentry here an attack each day, the Harbaugh's podcast, sixty seconds. That's exactly how long this commercial less. You know, what else you can do it about a minute. Get an offer for your car with truecar. 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And we had a fantastic time met the mayor of Albuquerque got a great story about him. They're going to share a little bit went to the grill the grill and had a beautiful steak and a tremendous cake, the Duke city gladiators if you ever had a chance to see the Duke city gladiator play haven't seen him in person, though, you heard about winning the championship last year, the one name there's one name that resurfaced and you were second. Okay. But you weren't number one. Tell me about Bill O, man. My grandpa grandpa. Oh, you're grandfathered. He's kind of a legend in the state. You know? I mean, first of all he's my probably my biggest hero growing up. He grew up west, Texas, dust bowl, great depression era on a cotton, farm and. Didn't own a toothbrush until he was in the navy. You know, and so he really just overcame. I mean, a lot of hard stuff that life, you know, like delta. So I mean, yeah, he he did a lot of different things but longtime high school football coach at how many years did he coached sack? He ended up coaching forty plus years, something like that. And he he truly is a legend. We went to the grill for that. And everybody came up and wanted to talk about about you and your career and and so complimentary, but they had a story about. Bob bill. I mean, he and he was enthusiastic coach for sure. I mean, he the oh the old the old way of doing things you tell me about that. Yeah. I mean, I've heard a handful of stories back in a day. I mean, first of all I mean now he's still alive ninety three going to be ninety four and September. But you know, he was just an old school. Coach know my dad writing your real, right? You're right. Your face. A lot of people told me that they would. Did end up with some red, man. But yeah, he was a legend. And like I said I look up to him more than probably me else. And somebody said that there was a book written about him and my wrong on that. Or is that a possibility he actually wrote a couple of books on the Delaware wing tea. He was like a big fanatic in the seventies. So he wrote a couple of books on that. That's a call it. Now the wing t people are they have their own little clinic allowed to cover unless they run the wing. They write their own little book, Delaware, the Delaware wing tea is where it all. Okay. From with Davy Nelson. A Michigan man put that in in Delaware. So I didn't realize that was what the books were avowed. What's it gonna be like for him? Come later this month when his grandson is going to be taking that next step to the National Football League. I don't know I'm going to go back home for the draft. It's going gonna be awesome to be around him and the rest of my family. You know, he's getting up there. They're they're living in a retirement home. Now. So yeah, I'm just looking forward to spending time with him. And hopefully, it'll it'll be a little surreal because I wanted to make sure that that was that was always one of my goals was for him to see me get to play them the highest level. So let's go back. We talked about your grandfather here, but growing up playing football in New Mexico. It's not the hotbed of football is maybe Texas mention that earlier with the grandfather. What was it like what was the football like when you were playing grownup playing high school? It was that level super competitive. There were some teams in the on the west side of town that. Weren't in the Albuquerque public school system. So they had a little different rules. They hit a lot a lot of students. And so there are a ton of schools now Kirke, and so there is just kind of like a clash of eastern and western sides of Albuquerque and Rio Rancho the southern schools were traditionally really good when I was growing up, and I think it's far more competitive than people realize it is, you know, don't have the sheer numbers like Texas does. But I think it's good football. And yet it rather to play. Yeah. My brother years older, he's three years older years older three years older. Yeah. I played I played receiver for him. When he was the quarterback my freshman year. He played at the university of Mexico for five years. Became a tight end as well. He just. Title and it a little bit helps right? So. Yeah. Just a lot of a lot of football family. The one thing you forget it having been downers is about a million people in the Albuquerque. And that's that's prize me that there you think New Mexico is being a small state. But to have a billion people in one city is was staggering for me. Oh, yeah. For sure I get that question. All the time. You know, I think a lot of people when don't tell them I grew up in New Mexico. They think of like some dusty town of tumbleweed couple horses. Albuquerque metro areas read out very much spread out. Of course, the Lobos or there in town right in out Kirke one time. I was just interject this off topic kind of topic. When I was coaching at Stanford. I had lunch with John Ralston a few times covered many topics a lot of different topics. But one thing he said there was profound. I thought was a population of a million people will produce sixteen division one football players on average that they want that. That was his number that so million people in Albuquerque should have should have about sixteen division one players plans about right, right? And you're obviously in your class or one of those we've had some view guys in Mexico come through here in the past and one of them. His point by the way, was we get to the punchline. There's talent there. Well in Los Angeles was his what he was talking to me at the time. He was saying Los Angeles had sixteen million people's GM. So you're doing fine. They've got a lot of key sixteen million type six I've no idea what the number. Big ninety six thank you at the cell phone. Putting a cell phone. No, that's in the brain. Hopefully, it was right? Another family tweets tomorrow. Pittsburgh education is. It's right for educational move. It's right. So that's coming out in Mexico on as I mentioned there. You know, we've had branch come through here in the past obviously big name player here for the wolverines. Take us through the process had been committed Texas coach Harbaugh gets the job here. And eventually you make the decision to come play football here. What was what led to that decision? So yeah, I was going to university of Texas for awhile and. Committed there under Charlie strong and a new who's going to be leaving that program for too long. And it was kind of funny I had decommitted from them, and I hadn't really made a public at all. And. Charbagh called me not knowing that. I'd decommitted you can ask you what your your status with those guys actually decommitted silently. And so then he flew out and visited my house with coach fish, it's time. Yeah. Put some mini golf, and then I float here three or four days after that. And I just fell in love with the campus and the facilities and committed on the visit would you see when you first saw them on tape, and then obviously going through the process to at the time is December thirty first I got hired and within a couple of days on the job realized that we needed a quarterback. And I started reaching out to all the top quarterbacks that we're in that class sex gentry was one of them and other guys were Sam darnold who was committed. The USC. Also, Ricky town was also committed the USC at the time. So I thought two of those quarterbacks don't both need to go to to USC so talk to both of them and also talked to Tommy Stevens from Indianapolis who ended up going to Penn State. I talked to drew lock, and I talked to Joe boroughs and Zach gentry and Zach ended up having interest. And as a matter of fact the day. Okay. We call them. I think he told us that he was had decommitted from Texas or was just about to. So literally the next day jet fish, and I flew out to Albuquerque met with. Zack in the family play. Putt putt golf. We had. We're going to go to a movie there was a good movie. That was American sniper. Yeah. It was just out. And I'm like, hey champ. We should go. See this this new American sniper movie? And and he wanted to Zach wanted to and you hear it said and seen it either. But the thing was sold out when we sold just get just came out. Zack said, let's go. Gentry and Albuquerque couldn't find a way to get. Didn't want to leverage. We had a nice putt. Putt gone. Competitive nature. Get a guy out on a putt putt. Course, you can see little a competitive nature and the other side of a student athlete in general just to see their personality when you get out there. Other thing we did was we we bolt one time. I remember on your fish. Visit nobody throws a harder. Bowling this yet. One of those four bouncers Downer. It's not about it's a real. It's not about sir has no arc or no curve. It's the straightest ball you've ever seen and the hardest fast. I mean, the pins. He when he hits right? They'd get a strike every. Seven ten years ago. Let me ask you. Let me ask you a question. You know, you come as a quarterback, and you I know how recruiting goes quarterback if you were to state another year, we would have we would have had a tight end pass in for you. We would have gone. Got a while you get that call or one hundred come about that move from quarterback too tight end in in the program here in Michigan. How'd it all come about? And what was the thought process? Well, I mean, I think it just came down to it was just better for my body type. And better for me. Personally. I'm in coach Harbaugh had me run some routes freshman year. I know we had a it was BYU played against BYU freshman year. They had a tall receiver looked exactly like me on film. And so the defense wanted me to run some routes for them to coach Dirk and wanted wanted me to do that. And so it did it and Phil pretty good. It looked pretty good. And so they want him to do it. Again, the next week. Yes, we really showing as a wider series. Really? Yeah. So just kind of just took off like that, you know. Happy about it. Now, you know, I mean Jesus six over six eight to sixty five a lot of quarterbacks we use the tallest. Combine were you the tallest tight in that they combine Indianapolis where someone taller those atolls tight end. I'm not sure about way when you when you came here as a quarterback. Two probably two twenty five to now. You're what to sixty five home goodness fantastic. Really fast. He was like a four five forty type of guy coming out of high school. And so he's good. He made that transition. From then you could tell it could be a receiver. No doubt. And then then made the transition to tight end and over the course of the year really improved as a blocker. And then the next year to the next year, even better, and and really did a great job here. I'm glad he let he made that transition. I think is your best position going forward and had a little bump in the road. There. I remember the I was planning charity golf tournament. They've race car driver. Brad Keselowski at an event somewhere up in has Flint, and I'm leaving the place that drive back to Ann Arbor. And I got I got a message from zach's century that the please give them a call. So I called him up. And he I talked to my family. I feel like I'm I'm gonna leave Michigan transfer somewhere else. And and he did not he did not end up doing that. Talking about. Talk about that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was. I look back now. And you know, that was really one of the biggest turning points in my life fortunate that you're able to get me to stay the cash. I couldn't I couldn't even imagine. You know, it's crazy. How different my path could have been. But yeah. There was a time where I was you know, uncertain about a little bit, and they talked about it. And he said, you really really think you should stick it out. And just keep doing keep doing what you're doing and put on some weight. And you know, this is a position that you could play at the next level. So went forward and happy I did the cheese. Jack. You're right there. You're right. Haas right on the cusp. It's it's, you know, maybe maybe the depth chart had come out, and you might have been a little lower in the depth chart than you thought. Just you will be playing this year. You will be playing games. How much I know you will be playing just have a great listen the great ended up starting thirteen. I can't hear. I know you're familiar with the portal. Yeah. I was just saying the same thing. The portal for the portal of been around Porto been around there were you could have gone back to the room rather than call call. Jim call you could typed in Porto and said I'm available to transfer that goes out to every school. The United States of American you'd start to get the calls. I'm not a fan of the portal. We don't allow players to have that opportunity to talk with the coach can you can you speak to that. I'm not familiar with the portal. But it's funny because I tried you know, tried to leave wanted to in a sense for a little while. But now that I look back on kind of against it. You know, because I mean, it's if it hadn't been for me. You know needed that motivation to just kind of put my nose down work. You know it worked out for me. I think it's going to be worked out for a lot of people in the long run. But I don't think I'm a fan of the portal either. I mean, you see a different different person on the Puerto like every day. You know? I mean, it's just easier to you practice their coach might get on your little for sure I'm going to try. I don't think there's ever very few players that ever played the game of football at some point in time. They don't like me, you know, I'm not going to get a plane, Tom I'm going to transfer. But we made it a little bit too easy. I think. Yeah. Greater had a conversation actually about you. I want to say a few months ago with one of our assistant basketball coaches on the women's side. Because coach Yvonne Sanchez another New Mexico native. She actually said she came up to visit you the Penn State game your freshman year. And so it's a great tie between you, and and coach Sanchez, and was it her brother was your coach when you were in high school Vons, a brother ROY Sanchez was my best while coach all through high school and my brother played for him. My grandpa actually coached with him at a Eldorado high for the last couple of years of his coaching career. And so, yeah, it's a great family connection. Love the Sanchez family. They're out here and doing well. Yeah, she she loves being here. And she speaks obviously, very highly view us at great career here. You them making that transition from quarterback tight end. We've had guys like that. Like Jay Riemersma had a great NFL career after transfer transitioning from quarterback tight end. So then you go into the process of getting ready for your career. So you go training for the combine training for the pro day. How different is that than training for football. It's way different because it's just focused on you're going to bench. You're going to run a short shuttle launch shuttle L drill forty yard dash. And so, you know, you're not really thinking as much about football while you're trained that it's you know speed drills. And so I was trained at the facility and Frisco, Texas, and yeah, it was just geared towards eating the best food you can possibly eat putting appropriate weight and getting the fastest times for two months headed a new heading. Into it. You ever had a two month window of time where you were that, hyper focused on one thing. No school. No anything else. Just get ready for the combat and get ready for pro day. I mean, eliminating the school. Yeah. I mean, that's that was probably I didn't even know what to do with time. I mean, it's like I would wake up workout eat eat again workout again, sit in my apartment and go to bed. That's all I needed to do. But it was. Yeah. It was a weird point in time. Whereas this kind of like nothing going on how how would you rate your performance, both combining the combine and you're pro day. How would you rate your performance in what you thought marrying that with your game film? I was disappointed in some of the things that happened at the combine didn't feel like I represented certain aspects like the forty time. We're not as good as I'd consistently seen for the two months leading up to it. So as able to correct out the pro day. Had a really good time with the pro day. So came back around a low four sixes, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think teams said me in the four six six or lower somewhere around there. Yeah. I mean, it was just the combine experiences different animal. You know, I wouldn't change the thing about it. Because it's important, and I get to meet a lot of people. But I think overall did good. I mean, I did a really good job running rats and catching balls in pro day and redid some of the drills. I thought I could do better got more bench reps and got better times on everything. I redid. So I think it was really good good showing for me. That's a big drop. That's a big change to go from the four nine that. You ran you whatever that number was down into the four six range goes to show that really is just a training for a very specific thing. I think all of us new coach you probably whether you're watching on TV or get the number. You saw his forty time come across at the combine your like, he's fascism that. Yeah. I did. I said earlier he's he's always been a very fast runner from high school to winning was here. So. Yeah. I mean, some something can happen. It's you get two shots at it. Ready? Get two shots at the time. When you're at the combine and guys that are really really good trained up and hit it exact. Their start there. Now, they're they're transition there. They're the leg cycle and arm action. And then finished through the through the tape. All those are all what was your time at at the combine your call. I was a four six. Oh, whoa. Actually, micro day. Oh, my mind that was that might have been I might wanna my not even a run at the combine I had a broken. Was something wrong with me too. I can't remember if I ran the forty or not I really don't remember is it on sit on Google or something I'd say if see if I could find it's fast. It's time. We sports six elect four six flat electronic, and I say this tongue in cheek now. Little Umer little unit coming here. Did they run the forty in when you? Yeah. They did. It was exactly literally the Combi was exactly the same. When I was in nineteen eighty Eighty-six. And you did every save. Yeah. Did all the throwing and it's an absolute mess to so much going on. I think I got one one rep on the bench press. That was not my that was my one, right? A needed to. So are you only teams any teams shown interest? Or were you think that it might be a possibility they would draft you or not that you have to mention Mary you get talking to some teams now. Yeah. For sure I've had a couple of private meetings couple private workouts with some teams in the talking to a team in a couple of days. I'm gonna fly out there and check out their facilities and stuff. So. Yeah. There's been a good amount of teams that have been seem like they're interested in a hopefully, they're still interested on draft day. But this from a standpoint, you know, just being here for years and big around you you are an amazing guy. And I say that walk down the hall and see you, and I get that smile on your face and engaging personality, and I don't know where you're gonna go and who you're going to be playing with. I know it's going to be someone, but I'm rooting for you on your team. And I want you to have a fantastic career. Thank you. And then and then on after that, you are an amazing guy that an exclamation point stamped at as well sacks have a first class. First cast first class guy all the way here since he's been a freshman. We'll send this tape around to the league as well. Zach always hosted guys he was always first in line. Incredible recruiter. Incredible guy, you hosted Kate McNamara. On his visit sexual act Chardonnay just Carlo come. Brian watt Carlo camp on. No, I have more that committed sleeping my mind. Now. Kids recruiting kids who is your host came here. Why host was like a combination of like Pat Kugler and chase one of each. Do they know that they'd stay with you the whole time that they buy you something the that they disappear or do they here? They didn't disappear. Stuck with me? All right. Good. Yeah. That was the great thing about Zack is that was that was never ever the case. It was always was always on time fiend the guys video games. Whatever it was. He went with them did and did an incredible job. I think the greatest compliment that coaching staff can play pay to a player is to ask them to recruit. Very selective guy. Like you. I mean, somebody that they really want and they and they dentist with your personality type of person, you are that's who they are. And every week with numbing repetition. Right. What do you do this? He's looking at me right now. A week off. Oh, yeah. I was getting a lot of meals a lot of Ruth's Chris there. We get you come back. We'll you know, what old zek gentry leaves some new things. A new way insisted the locker exactly what you nothing. But the best elect we know you're gonna have a great day coming up later this month when you when you tire families, especially grandfather, having a chance to see you get drafted and later on of course, playing the National Football League. So best of luck. And we look sort of watching you play on the gridiron of the professional everything so much go blue guy all the ways that gentry coming up next hashtag, Jack Jack talk here on each day. The harvest podcast. This is Jack talk. I wanna listen I want to be better. I want to be the best. I can be welcome to our team. Jack talk as you get older you get to be seventy eight years old. Here's what I find hair grows in places that it hadn't been before. Welcome to hashtag, Jack talk. We really miss this last week. It's great to have Jack talk back here and attack each day. The Harbaugh's podcast now, Jack we had a fun time with Ed talk to have Ed Warner sit in your seat, and he tried to fill your very big shoes. But we mainly just talked offense a line, and it was a lot of fun. Don't get me wrong. But there's nothing quite like, Jack talk here and attack each day, the harbach podcast. So I'm assuming you're going to regale us with more tales from Zach gentry's hometown of Albuquerque, New Mexico, the whole trip about three weeks ago John called up, and he talked about he had to go to the NFL meetings in Arizona, and and I just kind of throughout Arizona is where I'd like to see a couple spring training games. He's willing to tell you. I'm gonna make a trip. I gotta stop at Albuquerque. Why don't you come to Baltimore? We'll fly out together never realizing what a fantastic experience. It would be for me the Cirque. Kind of closed a little bit during that trip. One of the top things that I've been able to experience with with with children, I say children. But the interesting thing is when I remember, I it flashed in my mind about halfway through the trip when I would take them somewhere. I'd take them recruiting or I'd take them to baseball game with with gates in Brown and talking to gates look around. I'd say gates, this is John and Jim this. These are my sons and then gates and make a fuss over them. And then we'd get back to talking to get so many times on this trip. It was John. He was leading the way he would come up to someone. He would talk and he turned around to me, and he'd say, oh, by the way, this is my dad, Jack. And then we would connect a little bit. And it just hit me the circle has closed. And now I was in a position that that they had been in. When I when I traveled around, and I'm going to guess because I'm starting to this a little bit with my dad to especially around here where he doesn't know as many. People in introduce them. And he's always introduced me to people obviously growing up that you get a bigger kick out of being introduced no question, then you did. Introducing no question about it. I put a smiling face. And then the other thing was interesting about it is the generations that we crossed we John would, Sean. Sean McVeigh was there and John was talking to Sean were having a conversation. He did the the pivot. This is my dad, and Sean McVeigh, and we talked, and I I I know your grandfather John McVeigh he was vice president for the forty Niners with Bill Walsh and head coach at the university of Dayton. I was at morehead. Job open to date and Wayne fonts, former head coach Detroit Lions left date and to go to Iowa job was open. I spent an evening three or four hours with John McVay his grandfather applying for that job. And we had a chance to talk about John about his about his grandfather. Then you run into leflore coach the floor the floor. This course of talk to him. This is this is my dad, and then he brings up or you know, my dad coached at central Michigan university of central Michigan university when you're at western Michigan, and you coached against each other and bang. It hit me that's his dad. And so then we had a chance to talk about his dad who still lives in Mount Pleasant. The gruden's didn't get a chance to meet them. But they're dad Jim was a high school football coach at Gaillon, Ohio. The Tigers I believe galleon Ohio Tigers against cress line six miles apart. That was our rival didn't beat him in football, very often. But we pounded pretty good at basketball. But his dad was a head coach thereafter, I left crest line one the state high school football championship at galleon. And now he has two sons Jay and John are head coaches in the NFL ran into injury because I know Andy from Philadelphia so. John's talk in Andy season we connect because back about nineteen eighty nine. It was we were in Texas. I think San Antonio at a coaches convention. Jackie is American football, coaches wives association. And she was on the board came one day. She said tonight, Jack, they need wives. Need the coaches to come down and take stuffed animals and stick them in a bag. We're gonna tie the bag up. And then tomorrow, we're going to take him to the hospital, and they need the our husbands to come to fill the bags the Steph family, and I'm at the convention, and all my friends are there, and I'm going to go stuff animals or Noah bag where we could be caught talking football and reminiscent about the season. But when wife calls, I'm going, right? So about seven o'clock that evening were down there, and I walk in, and there's all these wives and husbands came. Except one you maybe read so to show the two of us. We looked at each other. So we're all the rest of the rest of the husband. So I'm usually two of us. Understood when the wife says, we're going to do this. We're going to do it. And I think he he remember back in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine we were. So the memories just this flow through that that whole thing course, Vic Fangio who coach with Jim at Stanford. And and San Francisco he's now the head football coach with the Broncos. He was there and we had a chance to visit Kyle Shanahan and his cO. He's talking about his dad, Mike. Eastern Illinois university graduate guy, we played at western Kentucky. And so we're talking about then. And then I started to think how many head coaches thirty two of them. And I could think of at least six or seven or eight that had fathers that had coached you'll before the head coach is now in the NFL who had fathers that head coach, you know, maybe head coaches, insisted coaches, and and guys that you that you that you had met. So it's crossing over those generations that metro had a tremendous impact on me and the visit. I bet you a lot more of those coaches are the sons or grandsons of coaches, and maybe the average fan would realize because a lot of those times, it would kind of be like internally here, Ben mcdaniels right people, here know, Ben mcdaniels, and it was brother. But until we've talked about his dad being a legendary high school football coach, maybe you don't know a lot about high school football coaching coaches in Ohio. So you may not know that he's part of a coaching family. And so there are probably examples like that or a coach, I think a lot of people may not know maybe in these parts, they might because it was at central Michigan. But maybe a lot of people around the country. Don't know that Matt leflore is dad was a coach at central Michigan. It's different with you. I think because especially when the when the John Jim went against each other in the Super Bowl that got a lot of attention. So obviously a lot of people know that. But there's something he said about the quote, unquote, the family business, and it doesn't always translate to either success or but I mean you grow up in the game. And you love the most of these kids seem to love the game growing up in it. And they go on to play it and why not make that natural transition after playing till my dad was a coach he he loved being a coach. Why wouldn't I love being a coach like my dad did? And I just mentioned Jerry Jason Garrett. His father was with a coach and brothers. I think he had leased one or two brothers. That were also in in the coaching profession at first time. Jon did one of those pivots again. This is my dad and Jason sale. Well, my dad was a coach and then bang. You know, we're we're immediately talking about about the old times, and the different places that that we were. So it was a fantastic just a fantastic experience outside of Andy Reid. Anybody come up directly to you. No. Bill Belichick had just we were walking after the team photo with the coaches John's walking out with with with coach Bela check, and and I had a chance to tell him his father, Steve we were in a function in New York City longtime ago, Dwight Perry was being inducted into the American football coaches hall of fame, and we were there for the event, and it was a big dinner, and you sit down and were assigned to a table and cross the table is Steve Bella check. And of course, Bill wasn't a know where he is today. And not sure exactly where it wasn't those times. But an engaging guy. I mean and engaging guy in those days, they didn't exchange film. You didn't get film. What you had to do is send a scout. And he would take a packet of paper, and he would sit somewhere all by himself, and he had to draw up an offense draw a defense drop the special teams they would run a play. He had to see the whole play. How was blocked the action with backfield the routes? They ran on pass plays. He had to see it all and he was the best. Steve Bellichik was the best at coming back and being able to put an offense defense on the board as if he had studied the film for hours upon hours upon hours, and that's a tremendous talent. And we had a chance to share that a little bit in our discussion at that that that dinner that night and then to for for Bill and Itis, I was at that dinner with your father what a what a fantastic scout. He was in. We connected through that that that connection. Of course, Bill give great recommendation to the Modell family as well. A bunch of years ago now on behalf of John helped land him with that job bills. Great recommendations, Dom Brown was a recommendation right Bill coach Herbert. So we've had a few coach the doctor came from New England strength conditioning. Doctors they all kinda run together. But we've but date came from New England that was that was a recommendation guy, I'm gonna guess if I actually did the research that it's at least half of the head coach is in the NFL. I'm going to bet it's a half at least half of them that have whether it's dead or grandfather, maybe even like an uncle, but there's direct family tie in the coaching business. I mean, it helps that there's two gruden's coaching at the same time. So that's two out of the thirty two right there. But I bet you it's half. Now that you if you are going through a naming all I bet you we could find at least half that are part of a family and a couple of years ago to been born because Chuck Pagano, obviously part of a family, a family coaches, as well, then you'd find it like high school coaches, and I don't know the connections with most that had connection with high school coaches, but many many of them, I'm sure had been coaches as well. And you when one of the guys mentioned, I can't remember which one of those head coaches mentioned about eight years old nine years old sitting around the table and talking about this talking about this play. Were were team players players at word disciplinary things you had to do and how that impacted you and developed the fact that you wanted to be a coach you wanted to be a net situation. And it went on to be coaches, and I certainly agree with that. I got to tell you this one story, though, we were in Albuquerque, and we met the mayor of Albuquerque his name is Tim Keller, and he got up to speak at a symposium, a leadership symposium. Just interested guy. Tremendous, mayor of Albuquerque be told a story that he had played some high school football, and he played college football. And now he's there and they have the Duke city gladiators the arena football team the second level arena football team year ago. Dominic Bramante was the head football coach won the championship last year of their of their league. And he was as promotion or whatever you ran out of quarterbacks. He had a couple of injuries. So yes. Asked the mayor was forty one years old to be the quarterback for the Duke city gladiators and the mayor's up telling the story, and so he dresses up and sure enough somebody gets banged up and he has to go into game. Well, the first half he throws to touchdown passes in the game. He's got his team in the lead. And he's walk into the locker room and some of the players from the other team came over said, are you the bare this town, really, I'm the mayor the mayor out there. So then he walked by the locker room, and he here's the opposing coach said. No, good good. This is Mary forty one years old. He's throwing to touchdown. What the hell gonna team here you and he's just going on and on eastern. I felt kinda bad. You know, a great performance. But I was be being berated by the coach because I was the mayor, and I was forty one years old. He he went out to say that he went out to say second half didn't go quite as well. Yeah, he had he said three interceptions, but we found out to and then he went on to talk about that the two interceptions really weren't in play interceptions. Ended the game. They were behind. They were to hail Marys. He didn't want anyone to think that that he had thrown to uncontested type of of of interceptions, but this defend tastic trip and some great stories. Yeah. You sound like you had a great time. And now you're back here in town in time for the weather's turning again. Thank goodness. And on Saturday. We're going to have an open practice. I'm just curious because we know. Oh that this open practice on Saturday is it's helmets, and it's not it's no pads. They're gonna have the full padded practices stadium for the spring game on the thirteenth. So we can talk about that. After the spring game coming up because next week on the podcast. We're going to have a kind of a collection of some of our lucky sports. Parents features talked about why these kids chose Michigan that kind of thing. But this coming Saturday open practice. So what does a fan see what can fan Belean from a practice? We get one out of fifteen or really to if you clued the spring. We get to see one helmets and shorts practice. It's really hard for a fan to know what to watch what to see what they're going to what they can glean from that. So you've seen some practices already. You know, what practices look like in general what kind of fan glean from a helmets and no pads practice want. Here's what I think this is one of my favorite days, you know, the spring game when families can come out and see university of Michigan fan fan day. I think is fantastic thing. And and I've seen it more always last two or three we didn't have it last year because. The weather, but the year before that you can bring out your kids, you got two or three or four kids and a wife you can come to the game come to the practice. You get into the stadium and move around. You get a chance to see the players get see the maze, and you see the blue you get to see the excitement of the crowd. Hopefully, you get to interact a little bit with the players and for me, I just walk around. And I just enjoy. It reminds me of the seventies. When the prices of tickets weren't quite as high and dad could bring daughters and sons and come to the game walk around the stadium before the game and just kind of intermingle with with other Michigan fans get into the stadium. And I'm sure they'll have a little bit will fight song. Little little 'em. Go blue in there, the big scoreboard. And then then the next part is just watching drills catching the ball. Throw the ball some line blocking type drills, but just an hour and a half two hours of just experiencing Michigan football has a family, and then they develop a love for for for the university of Michigan and for football. And they'll be doctors. There'll be lawyers are five six seven eight years old now down the road that this is where they wanna come. They where they wanna come to school and they develop a love and passion for for Michigan football. And then the university of Michigan. I have said many times I've been quoted as saying any reason to go to the big house is a good reason to go to the big house and obviously coming up on Saturday and opportunity to check out the the players a little bit in the following Saturday. So this Saturday on these six to fifteen and then on April thirteenth, the spring game is at five PM so opportunity to for both of those opportunities for fans out the stadium. And again, there's never a bad reason to go to machine dish for me personally. Jackie and I'll be walking around the stadium, and please. Salo and introduce us to your youngsters and so we can interact with them. And let them know. How proud we are to have them here at Michigan and in the stadium. Great to have you back, Jack. Thanks, so nice to be back or minor. You can contact us on Twitter at AT podcast or by using hashtag. Jack talk. Follow us favored us. Strive to us on podcast, one dot com and the podcast one app. Don't forget the rate us on itunes. We think our guests that gentry wanna thank podcast one on our sponsor, truecar have a great week everybody and keep attacking each day with an enthusiasm unknown to man. Thank you for listening to attack each day. The Harbaugh's podcast here on podcast one. Don't forget to subscribe at podcast one dot com. The podcast one app or apple podcasts. Discouraging a border down. I'm Jacky Quin within AP news minute. The US chamber of commerce is among the groups urging President Trump not to close the US Mexico border to keep out migrant families are saga megani. Reports on other possibility as many as two thousand inspectors who screen cargo and vehicles could be temporarily reassigned to instead process migrants the effects are being seen in El Paso, where thousands of be border crossers were waiting about an hour across the pond, the British parliament can't seem to find an alternate to the Brexit agreement is with two hundred sixty one the knows what two hundred eighty two. So the news some lawmakers endorse staying with the prime minister's plan. There was a school shooting in Prescott Arkansas one child was wounded and a young gunman is in custody. Rapper nipsy hustle being remembered for his work to improve life in Los Angeles. I'm jackie.

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The Mike Tomlin Press Conference Recap: Week 12 vs. the Ravens

Behind the Steel Curtain

11:56 min | 8 months ago

The Mike Tomlin Press Conference Recap: Week 12 vs. the Ravens

"The pittsburgh steeler fans. What's going on this jeff. Hartmann co editor of behind the steel curtain dot com with you. It's monday. I know this is strange but the steelers plan thursday night football on thanksgiving night which means it mike tomlin. His usual tuesday press conference gets bumped up a day. That means monday noon. Tomlin spoke to the media. Tuesday practice wednesday's practice and then thursday's game day so mondays actually a working day. You'll probably also hear me today. Given injury reports that means if you're paying attention you had jeff with the post game. We heard that this morning or maybe listened to yesterday on sunday. You had jeff. Let's write a twelve. You've jeff right. Now at the mike tomlin recap and then you're probably gonna jeff again With the injury report podcast a little bit later. That's too much. I think even my wife would say that's too much. jasper here. We go. Mike tomlin talking about the game that was he recap the win over the jaguars. He said he liked the steelers efforts. Speaking of the offense he said there was definitely an upswing in the run game he. He liked the way they're trending. He said it's not a finished product. You need to continue to improve. He said that he loved the fact that they won the time of possession battle and he really attributed that to some short yardage Success with the run game. Especially you mentioned. Benny snell junior on special teams. He gave a ton a props to marcus allen. Marcus allen your and what does he have to do with anything. He was the one recovered the onside kick after the jaguars went down and they kicked a field goal on their first drive. They were trying to get the ball right back. But marcus allen with the heads up play able to recover that he was asked later in the press conference about that play. And whether that's something this year's practice or whether that's you know basically that they always use it we go over everything as much as possible. With special teams in any even on offense defense preparing them for what could happen and not being reactionaries of the. We've been on our ps and qs. Because the last few weeks he thought talked about dallas they did that throwback punt return that god that gash the steelers the bengals they did a fake punt that gash the steelers so teams that might want to try to trick the steelers on special teams now might not be the best time based on the fact that they've had it happened to them teams are trying it. They're going to be on their ps and qs when it comes a special teams on defense. He said they made it tough. On the young quarterback a jay gluten they had four interceptions. He's pleased with that performance. You hold a team three points in the national football league. It's hard to be upset. Anyone to injury. So he actually. This is the actual order of events in case he always talks about injuries. I he didn't today Maybe it's because it's monday. i dunno. He did say zach gentry just like he said yesterday after the game suffered significant knee injury. He said that he doesn't have any long term prognosis right now. They're waiting for scans to come back. All he knows is that he will not be playing this week. I would doubt that. I would be shocked. If he doesn't get injured reserve alcee. He did mention some in game injuries. A big name players. Joe haden quarterback wide receiver juju smith schuster. He said that both players even if they didn't were able to go back in the game if needed to be but obviously they didn't have to go back in therefore he's this week though they're gonna let their availability guy. But this is the one time i'll talk about this. I'm sure on my Injury report podcast. This is the one week a year that a player could potentially miss practice all week and still play Look at a guy like joe. Hayden is a veteran. Look at a guy. Like juju smith schuster. Who even though. He's only twenty four. He's the most veteran wide receiver they have on the team. This is a situation where even if they don't practice this week. They only have to practice that they could probably go play and they would be okay so this probably the one exception to that rule but he said they are going to see how they are this week in terms of their availability. He said the trai edmonds jalen samuels. Trey edmunds miss. Last week with a hamstring. Jalen simmons with a quadriceps injury. They both could return but again they're gonna have to work than back in practice. They respond before they can actually deem them to be ready now later in the later in the press conference. He did not mention this with those injuries. he was asked about vance mcdonald. Now has macdonald has been away from the team because of the covid nineteen. He was positive case He been on the reserve list. He said that he is scheduled to work this week. He has been cleared to return but they are going to wait and see how he responds to that work before they decide whether they're gonna you know. Put him back in the lineup. Right away. okay so because of that. This could be a hate to say because gentry gets hurt you hates anyone get hurt but it could be good timing for the steelers with vance mcdonald coming back in gentry going out They have some options on the practice squad with raider and a couple others the vega promote someone. If they had to but still he's scheduled to work. That's good news for vance mcdonald as he comes back off the covid nineteen list. He talked about the baltimore ravens. They just played them a few weeks ago but he did say that there have been some changes in this ravens team. Since the last time they played mainly on offense. He called the evolution of dobbins. Jk dobbins running back rookie from ohio. State was obviously he's he's featured running back now. Mark ingram is time with an ankle injury. He missed the last game against the steelers and really said the dobbins is featured runner because he thinks he has more of a perimeter game. He had a big game against pittsburgh the last time they played. He is the guy for the baltimore ravens in the running game. But he said you know. Some things haven't changed. Obviously lamar jackson is a triple threat. As a runner a playmaker and passer mark andrews on third downs in the red zone and you also mentioned dez bryant as bryant was signed to the ravens practice squad right before the game against the steelers few weeks ago and he said he's getting he's getting more and more looks. He expects his role to expanding it. More as the season progresses so i think he had four catches three or four catches against tennessee. Look for him to get more involved in the game on. We twelve against pittsburgh on thanksgiving night next. He went to the defense societies. It look. they're playing a lot of men up front. They've had a lot of injuries. Claes campbell's out. Williams missed the last game nd how derek wolfe didn't play or was banged up the last time. They played the steelers. He seems to be healthy now. He's a look. This happens across the league. You have injuries you gotta make do. But they have quality death. He said there are formidable. Defense he kept it any went straight straight to the steelers offense against that defense. He said the steelers cannot have slow. Starts talked about. The last time they met is the defense that kept him in a game. Talking about roberts bylanes pick six but depre- strip sack in the red zone. He's you look at those situations. We can't we the steelers tomlin speaking. We can't rely and assume that we're gonna get those turnovers. We have to play better but he did mention also that. It's an honor to be playing on thanksgiving night. He doesn't take prime time for granted. He knows his players. Don't take prime time for granted. Even though it's a holiday he said today are there honored to play their honored to play for their fan base. Who hopefully everyone will get to see them play so he was. He was pretty pleased with that. Then we got into the question and answer portion of the press conference and he was asked about short weeks. What do you do on these short weeks. And he said it really depends on the team. He's been doing this long enough. And since two thousand seven he says it's different for every team some teams. They don't have to focus as much on the details because it changes basically is what you're saying. It fluctuates in. So he said it's different for every team but he feels. This team will be able to handle it just fine. He's asked about ben rothlisberger value to this team and he said he's still writing that script. He is in ben rothlisberger. Still writing that script. He was really really pleased there. He said with patients it. Rothlisberger has with the young wide receivers again. Juju smith schuster celebrated a birthday sunday and he turned twenty four twenty four. And he's the most veteran of all of them but he's he's one of the youngest guys so young group he really loud ben rothlisberger patients with them. He said they're working together. The very selfless and it's paying off but he's at ben. Rothlisberger value is is well-known. But it's still being written. He asked about what they have to do with with. Lamar jackson says look. We just have to have athletes rallying to the ball being disciplined. That's what you have to do to to be in beat. I should say to beat lamar jackson. Whenever you step on the field with him he was asked further about the young wide receivers. And what did he think about this group that you know. Really between juju. Smith schuster diontae johnson and chase claypool. There's only maybe thirty some yards difference between the three of them. It's pretty remarkable. And mike tomlin said they're developing every week. They have challenges. That still lie ahead. He really likes this group. He likes how they're not a selfish group. They really don't care who wins on that particular weekend. In when we're talking about wins were talking about the steelers. That are playing. Well that might be the touchdowns. Whatever he's happy with this young wide receiving corps Talked about the run. Defense was asked if dizzy think. That's trending in the right direction. He said look you have to retool. We can't underscore the significance of tyson. I'll awalu coming back to the lineup. This is something that i've said something. The dave scofield has said every podcastone platform has said you really noticed when tyson allah was missing. He's a huge piece of the puzzle for the defense and having him back helps big time. Let's not forget though tyson. Although when did you get hurt early in the first quarter against baltimore. The last time they played at mt bank stadium. You have to wonder because they got gastro over two hundred sixty yards at game. What would it look like. If tyson who actually was able to play for four quarters will see on thursday night Basically it was asked also about the safeties the fact that terrell edmonds and make his patrick both had to sit two interceptions It was really impressive when you look into that way for interceptions basically from two guys. So he's very detailed in their work. He's happy for both of them but really he mentioned terrell admits. He's this is a guy that has played a lot. He does a lot of dirty work down in the box and when he draws coverage assignments sometimes it's not easy you think about some of the tight ends he's having to cover if he's responsible for running back out of the backfield not easy task for terrell edmund. He was really really happy for the first round. Pick out of virginia tech to get some recognition for the big play. And i mentioned it in my. Let's ride podcasts. Sitting in here that if those two could be both the both be playmakers in some way shape or form just think how great is defense would be. It's already great. It would be even greater if those two guys become not ball. Hawks just playmakers period. All right folks. That was it. Might tomlin's press conference was on a long as you can imagine. They just spoke to him yesterday. After the game now we get into the nitty gritty. So you'll see a it's gonna be a pseudo injury report where they're not gonna practice today but it's a it's in if they practice. Here's what it would have looked like ox plane. All that on my steelers injury report. Podcast a little bit later. Today's it makes you check that out. Also makes you check out my. Let's ride podcast at twelve o'clock on monday I thought this was a really good one. Talked about the magic of the steelers twenty twenty season. Give me good and can be bet makes you check that out and make sure you follows wherever you get your podcasts. Google play itunes apple. Podcast stitcher anchor pandora spotify. You name it. Follow us that you don't miss a thing. And lastly don't forget we are a part of behind the steel curtain dot com. It should be your one stop shop for all things pittsburgh steelers folks in the meantime. I'm jeff harbin co editor of said website. As i always finish these out be safe. Be kind in god. Bless goes dealers we'll see.

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BREAKING NEWS: Steelers TE Vance McDonald tests positive for COVID-19

Behind the Steel Curtain

10:41 min | 9 months ago

BREAKING NEWS: Steelers TE Vance McDonald tests positive for COVID-19

"Verizon just turned on five g. across the country with the coverage of five g nationwide and more and more cities the unprecedented performance of ultra wideband. The fastest five g in the world. Ultra wideband is so fast. You can download an album. In seconds for is and five. G won't just change. Your phone works. It will change businesses. Do everything this is the five g. america's been waiting for only from verizon vijay ultra wideband available only in parts of select cities five g nationwide available in eighteen hundred plus cities global claim based on open non-dependent analysis during the period january. Thirty first through april thirtieth twenty twenty pittsburgh steelers fans this is jeff hartmann co editor behind the steel curtain dot com in. This is a breaking news. Podcast i hate these. I hate these type of podcast based on the fact that every time that i have to do them. It's typically negative news. I had to do them leading up to what should have been the week. Four game against the tennessee. Titans we all know what happened there. And here i am again heading into week. Ten just coming off of the week nine win. The steelers beat the dallas cowboys. Sunday and news is already breaking. The pittsburgh steelers. This was monday afternoon. Roughly four thirty. pm eastern time. It came out that a pittsburgh steelers player had tested positive for the coronavirus covid. Nineteen at that time. The steelers did not i repeat. They did not state who the player was. However once the team has to play players on the reserve list that becomes public lo and behold. That player was none other than mcdonald's tight end. And it's definitely brings up some red flags not red flags from an organizational standpoint but red flags from how is this going to impact the team. Now let me just say right now. I wish vance mcdonald nothing but a speedy recovery that he returns to full health that it doesn't impact his family. I hope i hope and pray that he is gonna be just fine. Let's get that out of the way. Everything else from this point on the podcast is going to be talking about nothing but football. If you find that to be insensitive then you can please turn off the podcast. Then you're done if you understand where i'm coming from and not being insensitive then please listen. Vance mcdonald testing positive. Comes two days off the heels at a steeler staff member. A coach tested positive. Now that is not made public in the coach tested. Positive never did make it public. We don't know who who it is or was nonetheless. You're wondering okay. Was there close contact with the coach. Macdonald macdonald did miss practice on friday and was listed as questionable with what they call an illness. And this is something very similar to what happened to the baltimore. Ravens leading up to week eight it was marlon humphrey who missed with an illness playing the game on sunday and then tested positive on monday. It's almost now that i say it out loud. The exact same thing. Mcdonald's practice but still tested negative. Ladies and gentlemen. These are being. These players are being tested. Players coaches personnel. They're being tested every single day. Every day okay. So it's not like vance. Mcdonald's skipped out on his test if he could play on sunday. Night didn't have it negative. It takes time sometimes before it actually shows up on as a positive so vance mcdonald head was sick held out of practice. I'm not sure if he was sent home but he did play in the game on sunday so if he was sent home with covid like symptoms than he was allowed to play on sunday. So i'm not sure how that's going to pan out nonetheless. He plays on. Sunday comes back on on monday as being positive now. Here's what's going to happen. The national football league is gonna take a look at this situation and every single player wants a report to the facility has to wear what's called a in a distancing monitor monitor or something date. Some people wear it on their weight on the wristband. Some people wear it in their pocket. Coaches might what does just try to trace her attracts where you are. Who you've been around here. You're sitting close to based off that information. They will find every single player that was close to vance mcdonald at some point in time and they will tell them we are gonna put you on the reserve list and they're gonna have to isolate period and they're still gonna tested so those players are still gonna show up and get tested but they're going to be out of the facility until they have. I think two straight maybe three straight negative tests so this concertedly impact the preparation for a team. Absolutely can if we're using the baltimore ravens because they've been the most reason team before the steelers to have a positive test in their system. You could see all of those players that were put on the list for precautionary reasons. Come back and play. The ravens had all their players. They were put on. The list is close contact with marlon humphrey return and played against indianapolis indianapolis on on sunday in week. Nine so the steelers are now going to have to make some other moves now. They're fortunate and i don't know how the steelers handle their meetings compared to others if most of them are virtual or how they have the player seated. But they're gonna track vance. Mcdonald's every single move since he has been sick on friday who'd he sit near on the plane. Was he sitting next to ben rothlisberger. Was he sitting near ben rothlisberger if because he was sick. Did they not put him near other players if they did that. That was smart Dizzy doubt they have roommates in in a hotel room because they were traveling to dallas. These are all questions that we probably will not be privy to but we will find out the names of other players that are put on the list. Even if it's just for precautionary reasons so leads. Aid is ben roethlisberger. This album with matthew stafford in detroit. Lions just this past week. Matthew stafford was put on the list for because he was around. Someone tested positive. What happened he had to go through the protocol. He was doing everything virtual in then. He wasn't able to practice until saturday showed up practice. one day. The news able to play on sunday against minnesota vikings now Staffer didn't play poorly. And he's a veteran quarterback and he left the game. I think with a concussion but still that that has nothing to do with him missing practice. So let's eight is ben rothlisberger. There's a good chance. Ben roethlisberger able to practice. He's not able to be there in the facility. We'll see how this goes. It could impact the preparation. I can't say good. It will impact the steelers preparation. But you will not hear any excuses for mike tomlin. He talks to the media tomorrow. Tuesday about this situation. You won't hear any excuses at all he's gonna say we're just gonna keep going what we signed up for. It's exactly what we have to do now with that being said let's look at a fundamental football perspective here evan's vance mcdonald is not going to be playing on sunday okay. He's gonna miss at least a week so since he's gonna miss a week. Now the steelers are looking at okay. Zach gentry is a guy that's been on the roster he's enacted every single week. He will likely get a helmet for the first time this season but what else. It's only the only leaves. Eric ebron and gentry now iran being a tight end and having the tight end room you think about the meetings are in if if iran's deemed to be a close contact with mcdonald then he might he put on the list and then during dire straits. What are the options that the steelers have. Well the the options the steelers have is jalen. Samuels has been an h. Back before i'm not saying he's a blocker but in terms of someone that's the the tight end route tree in knows what to do. In that situation he could potentially be used there Derek watt is also athletic enough. He's a blocker. We know this he could be used there in. Let's not forget either that the steelers could go back to what they did. A lot in two thousand nineteen where the zach banner as an eligible tight end bazeley. When they wanted to run the football they could always deploy that same jumbo package to try when they want to run the football. It is a very big tell as in. Here's a red flag. The steelers are going to run the football but nonetheless if you have to make do with what you have. And that's that might be what the steelers are forced to do. Since manson donna will most likely ninety nine point nine nine nine percent. Not play in the game on sunday at heinz field against the cincinnati. Bengals the one thing. I want to caution fans on doing. do not think this is the undoing of the steelers. Not every single team. That has a positive test case has turned into the tennessee. Titans wanna make that very clear. In fact i would say that. There's the the only outbreak that it's the only outbreak that the nfl is really had in regards to the this season in playing amongst the covid nineteen era the pandemic so just because the steelers did have a positive test does not mean that. It's going to run rampant through their team. They might have some lingering effects they might have some other players test positive. The nfl protocol has been pretty good about curbing some of this stuff and trying to get ahead of it if you can. That's where the contact tracers come into play. That's where the virtual meetings come into play You think about the fact that there were traveling. That's being in an airplane. Doesn't help in terms of distancing. I'm not sure you know some teams. They travel with multiple airplanes so that they can kind of keep everyone separated. I'm not sure how the steelers do business in that regard. But that's the breaking news today this monday around five. Pm vance mcdonald tight. End for the pittsburgh steelers. The very first case that they've had of covid nineteen on their roster. I know i said the staff member on their roster from a player since when they reported to training camp you have to think back to when james washington jalen samuels and a couple others had tested positive for coronavirus and then had to sit out and wait to join the team in training camp. This is the first time they're only a handful of teams that have not been impacted by this in some way shape or form and the steelers are no longer on that list. They have a positive case. It's going to happen to every team sooner or later in. It just happens to be right now heading into week. Ten for the steelers so i hate to be the bear bad news. That's these breaking news. Podcasting the Maybe one day. We'll have a good news breaking news casts but otherwise i wanted to keep those listen to our audio platform inform and make sure that you are up to date on all your black and gold news. If you're someone that reads about the team check behind the curtain dot com should be your one stop shop for all things pittsburgh steelers and of course wherever you're hearing this makes you checkout us on our podcast platform. Just search dealers or behind the curtain. And you will find us so google play. Itunes stitcher apple podcasts anchor pandora spotify wherever it is give a follow and as i always in my podcast be safe. Be kind in. god bless. We'll see next time.

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Steelers Preview: Will TE Zach Gentry even make an impact on the Steelers in 2019?

Behind the Steel Curtain

1:06:18 hr | 2 years ago

Steelers Preview: Will TE Zach Gentry even make an impact on the Steelers in 2019?

"Pittsburgh Steelers fans what's going on this, Jeff Harbin editor of behind the curtain dot com with another episode of the Steelers preview. That's right, we're back. We're better than ever OT as week to just wrapped up. And we're gonna talk about that Zach, gentry is the Steelers preview focus player of the week in terms of the two thousand nineteen NFL draft class. But before we get to that, let's go who over who is with me. It's all three of us. The dynamic duo, Brian Anthony Davis. How are you doing this evening? You know what Jeff, we should start calling yourself tremendous trio, because I don't wanna leave you out of this whole thing. But I'm doing phenomenal. I'm okay with being left out. That's. Guilt by association bra days. Go field what's going on? I'm exhausted. Man. I need a vacation for my vacation. I just got back in town. And I'm like I need some rest after my time of supposed rest. Oh. All right. Before we get started with the actual, you know, the news and OT, as and all that stuff. Dave is going to be talking about the winner of the juju. Smith Schuster jersey that was a contest that wrapped up last night Wednesday at ten pm. Dave, go ahead. Take it away. All right. Are winning tweet? The one with the most lakes was a video. It was really simple. It did not take much to witness jersey. Someone made a video taking a drink of water out of a Steelers Cup. And then held it up to show that said, 'Antonio Brown's tears. So that was our winning video that was juju celebration. It was called shade and it was by Jake mellow. So Jake, I will be getting hold of you and making sure we get you that juju. Jersey. Congratulations. It's pretty cool. You know we've if you think about the giveaways you've done so far. It's, it's just really cool to be able to give stuff like that way. And big big shout out to the winner. There Jake mellows. He said, is that his Twitter handle of that's Twitter mellow. Very good. So there you have it. That's another giveaway in the books. We have another one planned. It's going to it's going to be involving writing though. It's going to be a part of the behind the curtain dot com fan post action. If you're if you're a member of the, the steel curtain dot com, and that means you have it username and things of that nature. A lot of people don't even know you can actually write articles for the site. It just doesn't show up on the main page, those are for the writers that I actually employ. And so you can do fan post and a lot of times I can promote the fan post to the front page and get you exposure. We're gonna be doing a writing contest. That'll be coming up in the dog days of summer. Or so. They'll be after OT as or done that time period between OTA's and training camps. OT kilo governor, that we'll talk about that as it comes up, but here we go organized team activities phase three continues week to his done. There's only one week left. I believe they have I'm sorry. It was one week or two weeks. Dave. Total. Is it three weeks? It's three weeks OTA's and then mandatory minicamp. Right. So the as they have one where we think there's four sessions next week, one of those Dave and Buster's session, but we're going to do what we did last week. And that's where we just go around and say, well, we were takeaways from we to if anything Brian will start with you. What did you take away from OT as week to for the Versi lers even more than I did last week? It's just team harmony. This team is going out of their way to show how much they get along with each other and not just that, but what they're really trying to stab list, is that us against the world mentality and believe you me, they're going to ride it the whole way you heard it in the comments this week. I felt like Vance McDonald alluded to it. Marquees pouncey alluded to it, and the other thing about it that kind of coincides with this is the fact that marquees pounds. He is basically saying. You look, I'm not discussing any criticism of Ben Rothlisberger. But I noticed nobody's called me I like you should, and that was that was a throwback to his, his quote, a couple months ago. That said, if you have anything bad to say about the team, you better get through me, first so marquees pounds. He has anointed himself as the enforcer of the team, and that makes him a big team leader in my eyes and you could see how they they rally around him. Yeah, I pounce. He's a he's a good enforcer to have on your side into Castro those guys. I one of my side if we're going into a brawl. Put it that way. Dave. What about you week to as rap over your thoughts on the week? That was no news is good news. Because there's, there's more bad things that can happen not as good things. When you hitters there's breaking news about Steelers OT as it's gonna be for bad reason that someone did something, and we don't want that. I know I think the last report was shot Davis might not be fully participating because of some sort of injury. But nothing that sounds major. That's all I want from OT as a minicamp is the come out injury free. Yeah, I'm gonna go a different way in, in say how crazy it is to me that of six draft Sutton Smith seems to be doing everything. I think he's doing everything except for kicking field goals. He he's doing fullback drills. He's he took running back rafts today. And he's working as a linebacker and outside linebacker. I guess the more you can do, right? To make the team is, is the best case fossil Brian. What are your thoughts on that? Yeah. I think he would operated the food truck for launch. No. I mean this guy. I mean he wants to make it man. He's hungry. And he's gonna do whatever it takes love it. Yeah. I just impressed. I mean this is a guy that everyone said, is it true team player? He's willing to do whatever it takes. And that's truly on display right now. Another thing that I took away was. This is news happened. I think it was Wednesday morning was only published this, this dealers pushed Chris boswell's, a signing bonus back to after the preseason essentially saying, we're not going to give you that money until we see that you've gotten out of this funk, and if he would have said, look, no, I want my. Money. They were going to release him straight out. This is all per Jerry Dueck, which in my opinion, very reliable source in the Pittsburgh post gazette, Dave, when you heard that news, will your thoughts on that. I thought that came out in March, whenever he didn't get the bonus. So I think that was news. I was I was thinking that already had at cosc- was do the bonus in March and he didn't get it. But I didn't know if that was ever confirmed. Exactly how that played out that might have been what what it was. But I seem to remember that he wasn't. He didn't get the bonus. That was news it, but there wasn't a. A confirmed story until just now. It wasn't. There was no time line of when he was going to get it now. They said it for the end of the preseason. Yes. So now if they were to essentially cut him they would save themselves. Two million dollars. I believe was the number. I saw not sure don't take that as gospel, but it would be less of a hit if they decide to cut him. Brian, what are your thoughts on that? End does his or are we reading between the lines year? We just let go, you know, it's a smart move, because they own four point six before that bonus so they won't be hit with four point six million, if they have to cut them. This is a guy that saying all the right things I saw an interview with him, where yet, he looked very solemn somber, but he was saying, hey, look, I'm not worried about last year. I'm not thinking about last year. I'm just worried about my next kick. So he's going with that he's a he said, look, I'm not changing anything but you know with a kicker and Jeff. A golfer and, you know, just the difference between an inch in your stance on pots on everything. So the same same way with a kicker. It's just I would think that he has been doing everything he can in the last six months to shore up his stance, the shore up his kicking motion and to be injury free. That was another thing. They asked him about the injuries. He's like, look. I'm not blaming. I'm not talking about any injuries whatsoever. Not blaming it on that. I'm just here to get back to work. So as far as covering themselves with that signing bonus. That's, that's a smart move, because if you look at Matthew, right? He has some ability out of central Florida. So he's a guy that could come in and compete in. He just blows the doors off of the, the brief season. They've decision to make. Is to me. You can tell a lot about an interview when you have you can tell a lot about the, the way that they answer questions. For instance, listen to Vance McDonald when they interview him he's upbeat. He's very well-spoken. I saw Chris Boswell in two thousand seventeen and he was jovial with the media. He was laughing joking. Things went south really quick two thousand eighteen and then this year boy, he just seems kind of downtrodden to me, it just seems like he's just kind of I, I don't know. It seems like he searching he searching for an answer. And if we're gonna compared to golf, there are times in every golfers life where they're seriously searching for their swing? But if I'm Matthew, right? I guess as his name the kid, the undrafted kid from central Florida. He's playing with house money right now. He's, he's up against the guy that is Bentley fragile coming off a worse his worst season. And maybe one of the worst seasons in it as a kicker in Steelers history in at least the last twenty years in my goodness, always had to go to go out and do his show. He can kick the ball into the end zone on kickoffs and be pretty reliable from forty five yards in and he very well might have a job because hat Chris Boswell could even make point after's this year. So I think we went over this last week. Brian Davies still believe that. Chris Boswell is not on the team into dozen. Nineteen is changing for you. I don't think it's a guarantee I think that if he doesn't get the job done that, that they will let them go. I'm Brian thinks that they're just going to do what they do because they paid him. He's going to be the kicker. I don't know. I don't know that they will. I'm hoping that he is. I really am. I also found it interesting that, that rights agent said that he specifically picked the Steelers to sign with, because they felt that that was a good opportunity for to get job. So we'll see what happens. I'm looking forward to see I wanna see someone take the job. Not somebody lose it. That's what I wanna see. Okay. Brian is Boswell teen here. You know what Dave's? Exactly. Right. I said that, and that seemed to be the mentality. But after this news and. You're correct. Jeff as well. I mean he does look downtrodden. I mentioned that he was somber in the interview. And when you compare that Vance McDonald. He's, he's going to win the job outright. And he's gonna prove that he can do it. And I'm just afraid that something else you said about just if it's a mental issue in, if he is downtrodden you know, that's a hard thing to overcome. So he's got a big summer ahead of them. And is he going to be on the team if I said, right now, I'm still going to say, yes? I think he's gonna win the job, but I am less optimistic about it than I was last week. And Sean suisun was seen at ta practice today, who's helping talking with Chris Basel. Not sure he was working with him. Like he did last year. If you do recall, the last year when Sweden did come in and work with them. And it was a little bit of an improvement in boswell's game. I'm not gonna say drastic, I'm not saying he's the kicker whisper anything like that. But it was a slight improvement. Now, the other news is that Justin lane. The third round draft take the. Final of draft pick of the nine drafted players signed his contract is rookie for your deal today. They're all locked up finally done. But there's one more player that is not under contract, but it's still showing up and I wanna get your thoughts on this guy. It's Mike helton's. Mike them was given a tender. He's pulling one hundred Villanueva rewind back to last year. This time Vilna wave as starting left tackle. Or maybe it was two years ago. I apologize figure my years mixed up. He was giving his tender he was grossly underpaid for a starting left tackle, the NFL yet, he still showed up. He didn't miss. He was there working, he didn't miss a workout, and would they do the first day when they reported training camp. Bam, you got his new deal. Guys, my question for you is does Mike. He'll get a new deal or the Steelers going to really try to play their hand wisely and make him basically make him play under the tender that they've offered him. Sorry, dave. I, I might have. Chores, I was with Villanueva, that he's going to be given a contract if he is. I think it smart planet out saying, I'm not gonna sign it so we can keep negotiating but I'm gonna keep coming. They're both sides are doing the right thing. But it seemed like at the end of last year the Steelers weren't overly sold on Hilton when I thought he was still one of the one of their best defensive back. So there might be something there on their end that they might not want to dish out what the slot corners are now going for. I mean, they're starting to really get some decent size salaries at that position. So. I'm gonna say maybe yes to play this out with just the tender and then he'd be a free agent next year. And Brian would he think Mike Helton might be motel six at this point? This is very dangerous right now, I would caution against this. I would probably sign that tender to get back in, because there are some there are some players that they're bringing in. Undrafted free agents just brought one in from the af name Cameron Kelly who had three picks in one game. He also started the season as receiver has good hands. He six two he played very well in the af. They're bringing this guy in and don't forget, Joe Hayden's there, Stephen Nelson's, there, you have Justin lane as a rookie. They're still guys named Cameron Sutton and Anna Brian Allen, who might be might be moved to safety. But they there's a lot of guys pushing for that, that job. And that, that stable of defensive backs is a lot better than it has been. I mean, this is a team that had no problem saying see Cody sensible who was the star at the end of last season. This is how much they've improved. I think guys like Cameron Kelly could really make life interesting for. For a guy like Hilton. So I think he's, he's on dangerous ground here again prince's our live chat right now read over and says that the Steelers don't have any money for a contract right now. They restructure if there's one thing I've learned, since really paying close attention to this type of stuff is that the Steelers can manipulate money with the best of it would take one restructure Omar Khan is in absolute genius. He's a wizard with this type of stuff. I know that next year even though Antonio Brown's money comes off the books they've a lot of free agents. I have no doubt in my mind that they will be able to sign the people that they wanna sign give them contracts that are all the right numbers, yet are still team friendly. If you will get the contracts into guys like Dante Moncrieff and Mark, Barron. It's two three year deals. But in reality, Dante Moncrieff deal is basically a one year contract if they want if they wanna cut him after a year they can. And they really don't have much dead money. They know what? They're doing in that regard. So if they wanna sign my Hilton, it would take just a few moves wouldn't be breaking stuff, and all of a sudden boom, they have the money to give him Brian. What do you think Jeff just one mention about the genius genius of Omar Khan? I think this guy is one of the unheralded heroes of the Steelers. I love this guy so much that I'm trying to get him to come to my house and work with, with my wife, maybe do our taxes next year because I mean, he could probably each earth you things about saving money and moving stuff around. So I love. Oh, Mark on. Yeah. Absolutely. There's a reason why he was. At one point. He was interviewed for some higher ranking jobs in other words, Asians, and he decided to stay with the Steelers still. Okay. There's really news. Good news days. There was some news, but not a huge, let's get into the staticky Dave for tonight. Okay. I'm going to do kind of like last week were less is more. We're going to do. We're going to over under again. But we're going to do a couple because I really wanted to dive into where the numbers came from. So it was interesting because this was one that Jeff brought up and a different show before last week show might have been burning question that we are not this past week before where you were talking about the number of, of underhanded free agents that of making the team. So here's what I'm going to give you guys I thought I was going to give you one number. And then after I did my research I changed my number. So you guys got it got here. What is this, undrafted rookie free agents, but I'm gonna have to define that term, it's going to be an over under of point five or the Steelers going to keep any. And here's why specifically rookie free agents meeting coming out of college. The steelers. Do keep undrafted free agents. But it's usually after a year or so on the practice squad. I was really, really surprised. Now last year, technically the Steelers kept to they kept Matthew Thomas, and they kept Ola identity a Denna. Hey, dennehy. I'll mess it up. I'll pull William to totally Butch Ola. Okay. We'll just go Ola technically he made the initial fifty three man roster only for a day in order to go on. I r where they then brought him back. So technically, he counts because he made the initial fifty three man. So that was to they had last year two thousand seventeen it was none. Yes, they had Mike Hilton. But he was not coming off coming right out of college where he was where he would have been quote unquote, a rookie spent a year bouncing around finish the year on the Steelers practice squad the year before they had none, even though it was BJ Finney. He had spent a year. On the practice squad in two thousand fifteen they had one it was Tyler Murphy. He made the fifty three man roster. But he didn't stick the whole year. The Steelers have not had. Somebody stick on stick on the roster. That was a an undrafted rookie that came right on the roster that stuck the whole season since two thousand twelve and that was Robert golden, what about a BJ Finney. He was undrafted, but he spent a year on the practice squad for what about? Before that. But Ramon foster spend a year on the practice. Didn't go. I went back to. Well, that's because I went, but no, I'm pretty sure certain that the big Ragu was straight on the fifty three thought too. But, but just I was telling you just for this exercise. I stopped at two thousand twelve see even in two thousand thirteen Terrance Garvan made the team. But technically he didn't make the initial fifty three man roster. He was cut put on the practice squad for a day or whatever until they put Matt Spaeth on I so he could come back, and then he was signed to the fifty three so they've had some scenarios like that where guys have been around, but they were either. I like he didn't last year. They were smart. You remember who was cut and then resigned. So they could put a dentist. Hey, on or sorry, a mess. It up Ola on the fifty three. They wanna remember that was. Someone like to forget Landry. He was. So who do they cut and then bring back they were smart because they did it with vested veteran? So that way he couldn't be claimed off waivers. Steven Johnson that wasn't last year. That was your before. For it was. That. Oh, good Lord. Yeah. So he was remember he was cut, and they kept all on the fifty three and then moved him to the I. Are they signed birthday back the fact that they did this with Garvan back in two thousand thirteen they were pretty lucky that he cleared waivers? But he was a guy that remember he was a tr- tryout guy. He wasn't even a he wasn't even signed before rookie minicamp. So the most that they, they did they had three and two thousand twelve one in two thousand fifteen and two in two thousand eighteen so they had more years of none than any, so for two thousand nineteen once again, I buried you with the numbers, do you think the Steelers are going to keep any undrafted free agents, right? Off the bat on the fifty three man roster. Hi, I'm every woman, and I'm hosting curbs new podcast. Nice, try it stories about how people have tried to design a better world. And what happens when those designs don't go according to plan season. One is called utopian. 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I agree with those two safeties one of them should make it because of the depth of the defensive line ago like Chris Nelson from Texas could definitely make this team over a guy like the shade tree Daniel mccutchen, even though he signed a two thousand twenty say the shade tree. Not. Oh, okay. Brothers. It's. You know what I, I recognize that I, I need to go back in my article that I just wrote because I might. Check out in fact, editor it's really running tomorrow. Jeff do your job. Check that out for I. I will. So master, right. We just talked about him. He's got got an opportunity. Here's another guy that it's, it's probably less likely. But I loved Dr skipper from the university of Toledo, he would have to beat up beat out his old rocket teammate Ola Denny. I believe it's then he Dave. Denny. But skippers monster and he has ability to find the quarterback. But speaking of quarterbacks I am not ruling out that the Devlin Hodges is just a camp body. I really think that this guy, the all time leader, FCS passing in just a fantastic player in FCS could come in and get that, number three job from guy like. Josh dobbs. I I really love what I see from Hodges just from his career in college, and what he can do. So the answer a long winded over. Okay. I wanna say this. A good one. I do believe that the Steelers would not cut Joshua Dobbs much like the land Landry Jones. I think that would have to be a trade situation before they were going to move on there. I could see them using stat trying to stash another quarterback on the practice squad as a possibility, which I'm going to a quick, follow question this, and before I go to the next one, give me a number, I've already got mine, now undrafted rookie free agents. Now, this is the rookie, this isn't the af guides or anything like that undrafted rookie free agents that the Steelers currently have that you think will make the Steelers practice squad. Say that again, how many of the undrafted rookie free agents is that what we just did. No, no, fifty three. Okay. How many gimme a number of what do you think will make the practice squad over under just give me a number of what you think? I'll tell you my, I'm with five four five I will say, I think five of those guys that they signed, and after many camp or after commend campaign, the rookies that weren't drafted. I think I think five of them could make can make eleven spots on the practice squad. Jeff say six the weird thing about this fellows is the fact that last year we had a good bit signed to the practice squad in past years. You've seen a complete turnaround from from. Undrafted and brought in went through the entire camp. And the entire the entire practice was made up of nobody knew. And I think back to two thousand. From other with fits, Tucson, coming in and all those guys coming in and everybody else was gone. In fact. Guys. When you go and four in the pre season that makes you not want to keep some of those guys. So, yeah, it all depends on how they perform great job for the Steelers. Guys are not performing the preseason doesn't mean that the that's who you have to pick your practice squad guys from find from any place. I like that. So I have some stuff coming out, where people would ask me Jackie what makes up the practice squad that should be coming out. Sometime. When I finally get the Jeff, here's question. Number two, since we're doing Zach gentry tonight. Here's your over under a five. Number of touchdowns by tight ends on the Steelers in two thousand nineteen the reason I came with the number five last year. The Steelers had six because McDonald had four and James head to and your Brimble was three inches shy at a loss. Believe it or not Vance McDonald's four touchdowns. That's tied for eleventh all time in Steeler histories of touchdowns in a season by tight end. You know what the number one is you can probably guess who it is who has the most touchdowns as tight end Steeler Miller Miller. You know what the number is new? Hey it. They've never had a double digit touchdown guy as tight end. So I'm going to run back some of the numbers here in two thousand eighteen the Steelers had six touchdowns by tight ends in two thousand seventeen they had five James had three MacDonald one grumble one and two thousand sixteen. They also had five James three and grumbled to two thousand fifteen they only had three two thousand fourteen. They had five thousand thirteen they only had one touchdown by tight end heath Miller at one touchdown and that was it. You have to all the way back to two thousand twelve until they've had more and that was when they had ten that was that he's Miller had eight. And then we was at pope had to. So that was it. So as you can see the Steelers don't always Cortana touchdown with their tight end position. So the numbers five over under for tight ends for the Steelers in two thousand nineteen. What you, they over because I think vans McDonald's going to be more of a focal point in the offense. And especially in the red zone. I'll go with over. I think your grandma will pitch in kinda Jesse James last year. I asked I got a little bit of an uptick in vans with Donald, I'll take over. What about you Brian at the risk of being overly optimistic yell and some talking to you? The what what I'm saying here is Alex, quote, Lance on this one, fifteen touchdowns. You've gotta make up fifteen touchdowns. And I agree with Jeff. You've just gotta make Vance a huge focal point. And that's exactly what they're going to do. I would think he would have a majority of them. I can see him. Not really getting double digits, but possibly getting to seven or eight. Okay. So then I'm gonna buck the trend I'm gonna say under. I think five is the right number of personally. I think finally be a push. That's not I'm no. I wasn't giving us a push option. So, so I'll just go flat up under. Then you can't go five four. That's why I'm saying. That's why I'm going under. I said, if I if I had the hook if it was five and a half, then I feel even much better about my under because I think, I think it pushes realistic here. That's just kind of what they've done with the titans of their system, and honestly beyond Vance McDonald. I don't I think too tight end is is really lacking. It's going to be all about McDonald. I think if if they go over, it's because MacDonald has has them. That's, that's what I got. So that's our stats for this week. All right. Brian you wanted to do a little new segment. You said thirty seconds. I literally Minnesota timer for thirty seconds and you're ever, you'll fun fact. All right. Here's the fun fact of the week, two major friends and family marquees pound sees real first name is Leshan. Thank you, shouldn't tip your waiters and waitresses. I'll be here next week. Nine ten seconds. He's still twenty seconds. You get. So what is Sean, his name is Shawn? Marquees pouncey. I do not look at this guy in and doesn't scream Leshan to me. But brother, I believe his name is actually Michael, if I'm not mistaken. That's weird. Will there you go? There's your fun fact. Hate on after if you're, if you're looking for a conversation starter, just say, marquees is actually Sean, and they actually put put your hands on your chan- like that. And just like have a smoking jacket and, and just look really smart. All right. Well, after that fun fact. I think it's a good transition into our preview player of the week. And that is none other than fifth round draft pick. Zach gentry? I believe his first name is actually Zach and not Leshan. So I can't I can't say one hundred percent accuracy, so or a straight face. Ethan on he was a Michigan product. He was drafted as a quarterback. He followed a lot of people are connecting dots with heath Miller. 'cause he's Miller was actually brought in as a quarterback in Virginia. And then transitioned into a tight end. Everyone has said he was a number one, I draft pick this guy's a fifth round draft pick. You've not heard much about him at all. Vance McDonald had a couple of quotes on about him yesterday, which I put it in our as the headline of my OTA recap. He just basically said that right now. He's still learning the offense. He looks like most. Rookies do. Sometimes like that deer in the headlights, I block, I haven't heard much of anything about this guy at all my question in the headline of this episode guys is will Zac, gentry even make an impact in two thousand nineteen. That's what I wanna know. So let's with Brian will this guy even make an impact? Will we even be talking about, I'm not that he's not gonna make the team? Will we even be talking about that gentry come? September. I think this is going to mostly a redshirt season for Zach gentry, but really, you know, I'm thinking that this guy is going to surprise you with one touch down. Maybe maybe lucky to have a hundred yards entire season, and then but this is all going to be the build up to be ready for year. Number two, he's gonna play sparingly remember young guys, it takes a long time to get that get that rhythm with Ben Rothlisberger in. You have to earn his trust any of a lot to do so. Lehai said, I think this is going to be a learning year for them. I think he makes the fifty three you can't stash the sky on the practice squad. But it's gonna take a lot for him to get in there. Eating what are your thoughts on? Zach gentry? As of right now, the third T spots, basically handed to them, unless the Steelers decide to do something else to make a trade. He's really what, what there is. It's. It's interesting these a fifth round pick 'cause I don't know. I don't really have the numbers to back this up put it feels like the Steelers liked to take fliers on guys in the fifth round that possibly remind them of somebody else. That's exactly what the did with Brian Allen. He was fifth round pick corner out of Utah. Well, he's tall. He's athletic. He's almost like a he's almost like a Richard Sherman. Okay. Let's see if you can develop into that. Well, we haven't we haven't seen that, but he's still sticking with the team. You know, some people see the size and everything of gentry all when he was a quarterback when even came to Michigan. It's, it's I feel it's a flyer. I feel it's a it's a it's a pure flyer. And we'll see if that, if they hit on one of these, so I don't know enough about. He had four college touchdowns to junior to senior. He did not have very many yards receiver in college. But get him on a pro team, get him with the right body type. I mean how many titans do we have in the NFL that were basketball players in college? You know didn't even play football. So it's it's a project. So I think I think Brian's, right? He's going to make the fifty three but it's more of like a redshirt cheese. Yes, it is the question that was posed both in the headline than what I said, was, I don't think this guy is gonna make an impact into those nineteen if they're ever gonna run the three tight end set. He's probably not even going to be on the field build row in extra tackle out there before they put Zach gentry on the field with Vance Madonna in Xavier grumble unless there's an injury, I can see him being a game day inactive every single week. I actually wouldn't be shocked if he gets cut, I don't know. I, I just feel like he's gonna have to show something that isn't out on the market right now. That's possibly vailable or maybe one of these undrafted free agents or I don't know. It would be really interesting. Bucky Hodges was still on the team because he was a guy that a lot of people liked and looked. Okay. And then they just they caught him. So I don't I don't know what happened there. But I'm gonna say that he does not make an impact a guys you have any stats or anything a day. Have you talked to touchdowns VP else you wanted to go over with, with gentry? I know I gotta be professional. I got myself. Yeah. He had. Well we came in as a freshman a quarterback, he didn't even play tight end until he was a junior and in nine games, yet, he had what seventeen catches for three hundred and three yards. And as a senior in, in twelve games he had thirty two catches for five hundred and fourteen yards two touchdowns each year. So I mean not a bad average. He averaged over sixteen yards. In his career, but for for yards per catch, but it's not like he was out there said the world on fire, but if he was a six eight guy, setting the world on fire. He would be drafted in the fifth round, right? Brian, while your thoughts on gentry giving anything special put the cherry on top of the fact Sunday that Dave served up to us just a little bit ago. So he mentioned the Richard Sherman thing. And when I was thinking about Richard Sherman and Brian Allen. They were both came in as they were college wide receivers at one point then they switched to cornerback and they were big guys those very good comparison. And then he went on to say, you know, okay a tight end. That was a quarterback in college who else was a quarterback in college. Heath Miller was a quarterback when he first arrived, and then became a tight end. So very interesting, right, there, just those comparisons, one more thing about about Zach, gentry, just, just dimension. This has nothing to do with his play, but it's very interesting about the comparison to heath Miller, and Ben Rothlisberger had asked him to go ahead and switch his number from eighty three to eighty one. So that's a as in tribute to Miller to, like, leave that number alone, which I thought was something that I just found out when I was looking up Zack's real first name, which I never got to, because I thought that that was even more interest. But one more thing that to jump on. What Dave said? Yeah. The, the fifth round pick the fifth round pick seems to be a project. And when they brought Jesse James in as tight end he was a big guy, bringing in, in the word that they used all the time was project back in two thousand fifteen when they were talking about the Jesse James selection, that he's raw, he's got a lot to that. He's going to have to prove here. So that seems to be the same as gentry as he gonna make an impact to answer your question. No, not this year. But I still think he makes the team, Jeff Niagara deal unless there's something crazy. I, I guess making team this, maybe thankless. You're talking about all the players Steelers have had that were former quarterbacks that then went to different positions. At some point or another. You think about guys like Hines ward, Antwan Randle, El you mentioned heath. Who did it desk? That's the question. What do you think? Dave who did a best? Who transitioned away from quarterback the best Kordell Stewart should've stayed away from quarterback. Talking about how exciting he was when he was slashed. Yes. To get out to get home and watch Steeler games. And what was he going to do next turned to cramp when he was just a quarterback? But I mean I think about him. Okay. So let's, let's talk about this. I quick sidebar who did who, who did it best, a former or I wanna put slash in there somehow but I can't because it's not gonna fit the talking point here. So who did a best quarterback that transition to another position? And we'll throw heat there because he was recruited as a quarterback. 'cause everyone's going to say if I don't throw heat in there, I still say Heinz. Really? I mean, the guy started five games in his last season at Georgia, and he actually started a couple of running back as well. So I mean Heinz has a borderline hall of fame career. So I would say yes to Hines and to answer the question on Cordell real quick. I after I hear Dave's answering your answer to this. I have a question about Cordell that I'd like out there. So go ahead. Dave. Dave who did a best is the thing is rain. Well still threw the ball. Either I'm going with Randall well, because Randall well did not go to wide receiver until he went to the NFL. That's a good point. That's why I'm going to pick him because surely quarterback in college, and then changed wide receiver a much. He was the best player. I'm just saying. It was the best transition. That's a really good point OB. I'm gonna go with. I've go three into well. And I didn't even think about the fact that he transition to wide receiver in NFL. But the fact that he's still through the football. I can't remember a time where Hines ward threw the ball in the NFL. Can you guys? I believe he did. That's something that statman needs to check. But I if I'm I believe he has if it was only once or twice it was it wasn't with the frequency of, of rain. Well, because he actually will forty. That's something someone in the live chat aerial said he got us a ring the bomb the Hines ward the best pass that game, and he was a quarterback or let's go to Kordell Stewart. Now Brian, what's your quarterback? Your question, by the way nineteen ninety-five is one of my favorite all time Steeler seasons. It did not end with the ring, and we know that and we can get into all of that. And I remember remember, I did have a best of the rest column at the beginning of the off season who was the best team. They did not make it all the way I actually thought they would have an opportunity to win the whole thing, favourite year and Cordell was very big part. Of that. So my question to you fellas is this is a question that will never be answered. But what is your hunch, if Kordell Stewart remained wide receiver would have even an all pro in a borderline hall of Famer in this league? Now. No, they said, but he would have had pro bowls. Twos name all pros. All part of me is completely different. All pro is the best of the best in the national football. When people say, I'm a pro bowler, like, for instance, juju Smith, Schuster, and TJ wad, both say, Gaza Pro Bowl last year you were an alternate someone didn't go. So you went, that's technically not the same in my opinion. All pro. That's the that's not fan voting. That's that's legit. I do think that he would have had some pro bowls under his belt. I'm not sure if I'm gonna go as far as saying, hall of fame and or. All pro. What about you, Dave? I think he'd had a better career receiver. I don't I, I don't even know that I'd go Pro Bowl but. He just he would have been electric would. I think yeah he's so good. Yeah amazing. Yeah. He made everybody every time he touched the football he something was going to happen. He was throwing it. He was running it. I mean catching the ball what a weapons kind of makes you wonder why the heck they tried to just put him into the quarterback spot. I knows what he wanted, but. Damn you coward. What the hell were you thinking? Okay, guys, I don't know Hines words passing stats. Don't know if this, I couldn't get any peer passing stats, but I found it on October twenty sixth of nineteen ninety eight against the Kansas City Chiefs. While the score was ten to six Hines Ward's completed passed a Kordell Stewart for seventeen yards. That's all I've been able to find so far. For a guy that was a quarterback in college. I always expected them to have Heinz potentially throw the ball more, and they just never did it. And then Randall came in. He was slinging the rock around in it had no problems with him throwing the ball. I think back to a great throw that never gets talked about was the throw back to Ben Rothlisberger against Cinncinnati-based two thousand and five and then Ben unleashes a bond down to Brian Drake. Wilson Ray good. He jumped in front of Hines were to catch the ball. So, yeah, I don't know. I just a quick little sidebar there. So there you have it Davor you. Okay. Are you still poring over stats there? What I'm trying to find any play. But yes, he had an incomplete pass to Plaxico Burs in two thousand one. He got sacked the same year. I guess he was back to throw in God, tackle that was to attempted pass plays in two thousand one that's so I can't get. Much for. They did. They did try. They did try. Need to go out to Mr. Scofield because we've ruined Dave for the rest of the week. This is all he's going to do. Was going to be no family dinners at the Scofield house. There's gonna be no nothing because he's gotta look at Hines ward. He might even be calling Hines ward. He might go to Georgia to Hines words house, to ask him now in a live Chad Jesse says even Chris Boswell antennae Brown both thrown touchdown passes, which is true. And here's the here's one for you there, guys. Who did Antonio Brown complete his touchdown pass to? I know this. This, this is the Monday night football game against the Houston Texans, where they scored like what was it twenty four points in two minutes, or it wasn't that much? But it was a high point total in a very short amount of time. Oh, that was in Tony Martavis Bryant. I think that's not what I'm thinking a Thursday night against the Texans Monday night. Yeah. Okay. Maybe you're right. I'm gonna Christmas day game against the Texans wasn't JJ watt actually played in this game. Okay. Lance, Lance more two thousand thirteen. Yeah. Lance more time with his pink fourteen. Sorry. Okay. We'll still the same. All right. So guys, here's the thing we wanted to keep this episode a little bit shorter than normal. So we're going to go straight into our either or saving. Is there anything else for the good of the order of the wanna talk about before we get into the fun stuff? Aiman bueller. Well, I thought fun fact was really fun. Okay. Leshan. I'm not a lot of talk about snoop Dogg this week. Michael. Okay. Put it in the live chat. And after I looked it up to. I guess you before on the air Brian, let's talk about snoop. Dogg's thoughts. I just said that was news. But is it really? And he I love his music, especially back in the nineties, but does his opinion matter more than the three of ours right here? No. It's just a chance for me to go ahead and pimp out one of my columns about celebrity Steeler fans. So that's coming to a coming to the site near you. That's all I wanted to do. So I just wanted to mention Calvin bra Calvin Broadus junior on the show. All right. So dave. Do you have an either or I tonight, a reskilling out on that? I offered to skip out. But I mean I have one if you wouldn't go we want. Oh, this is really simple. In reference to my activities early this week. If you're going on a family vacation. Are you going, and you have your choice just between the two not a combination or you doing amusement park or waterpark? Hi. This is Peter Kosta. I'm the host of Recode media. He's an awesome podcast that I make about media want to tell you about a specific episode. I think you will listening to Jimi Petar president ESPN, one of the most powerful programming networks on TV also one that's under a lot of stress. He's down the about fifteen months we talked about what he's doing to reshape that thing. And, or keep it competitive all either sports networks and the internet in general, it's a good conversation. You can listen to it for free. Jimmy Petar is on the Recode media podcast with me, Peter Kafka on apple podcasts four wherever you are listening to this message right now. Oh. They're both glorious very similar because. Yeah, I feel like a waterpark is also using it park. You were down in Virginia. Right. You were down the Williamsburg. Water country USA, as well as Busch gardens. And I didn't either neither, yeah. Your kids, will you never been to Busch gardens? No, it's great. That's a great place. I love that place. I've never been ever been for rating. The Halloween the halloween's good. If you like in scared. It's good which I don't. But I went anyways. Let's I'm gonna go with am. I taking my kids. Oh, gosh, I'm taking my kids. That's a nightmare. I don't want to go to either. Let's let's I'll go waterpark, because there's a potential that I could coax all five of my whole agains to get on a raft. On the lazy river and just be quiet and just not be able to go anywhere for about ten minutes. So I'll take the lazy river and the waterpark, would you Brian? Holy their model children. I've met these people. I I'd like kids. A class. But you know what I. I'd probably see amusement park. I love a good waterpark. But a lot of parks have supplementary water parks, but one, one that I would like to mention that as a lot of fun is. Mass not it's very close James Madison university. And that's a great waterpark. I haven't been to the park, but I've been down the mass not in the resort. It's a great place. Yeah. Both dave. Even though I just spent three days a water park, I wanna go amusement park. I mean I like to wanna park stuff. But, for example, when I take my kids to Disney, we don't do the water parks, we just do the amusement parks, when we're there, because we're like we can do a waterpark other time, but even though how good time the last few days, waterpark. But overall automation park. You gotta if you get a Bush gardens again ride the ride called the, the Griffin and what it does is it takes you to the crest of the hill, and you're literally phasing straight down and it stops in a positive three whole seconds and then all of a sudden releases he goes straight down ninety degree drop hundred plus feed into it was it's nuts. Great ride super smooth. See, I have to be very careful, whether it's water park or amusement park. I gotta go to the right place, because I don't fit in most of the stuff because I'm just I'm just I'm too tall. I'm too large. It's funny even though I am. A big guy, a lot of times it has a lot to do with. Height and specifically a lot of times the length of my femur 'cause I cannot fit this way in a seat, but DisneyWorld everything there's made for people with the exception of. What's the new the one new Pandora ride? I could not do it, but that was because I have a compressed disk in my back, I couldn't take the pressure on my back, but other than that, I can do everything that Disney. That's why does amusement park but I gotta be careful places. I can't I can't do it all and water parks, I have to be very careful riding with my children on water rides. Because a lot of stuff when you have the added weight you can go much faster and we have we flipped many times because of. Dan, makes it flip over. So. You probably look like Clark was Clark Griswold going down the hill and his saucer on vacation Christmas. Yeah, I, I remember one of the one of the times, I went I went snow tubing with that. I used to when I. One of the clubs that I was the adviser for when I was teaching high school. We went snow tubing, and I even had some friends that came as advisors, you know, chaperones and everyone wanted to ride in the group with me because I would just make it fly and I mean I was people were just stopping. And I was buried into the wall with the end we, there was one time that helpers coming over to pull us out. And they're like there's another person in there. They're just keep pulling them out everyone with me so much faster. It's crazy that you had that either were day because my either were was shockingly similar in, I hadn't talked today about what his was literally cutting grass today, and I was thinking, I was like, I know what I'm gonna ask, or, and it's I feel like everyone falls into one of these two categories of curious where you all lie in that is if you get to choose vacations choose the mountains or choose the beach when I say the mountains that can be anything that could be camping that could be resort. That is, you know, you're basically staying away from the beach is what I'm saying, so you either beach or non beach. If you get to choose your vacation start with Brian. I'm, I'm shooting amusement park over both of them. Really? Because that's. Yeah, my wife loves the beach. And I try to do that for her. But after a while I get sandy, I'd rather be by a poll, the beach. So maybe I guess I would go mountains, and I know our next vacation is going to be Tennessee in the mountains to go to like, dollywood and, and I just want my wife when she said she wants to go to dollywood. I'm like, all right. It's a week of jokes. You're going to get them. I mean and she's like he has I know. But I mean, the, the hotel we're going to be ad is going as like a lazy. Lisi creek with a raft that you could just hang out in and so lazy create that is very mountainous. Yes. I mean, I guess that's the way she explained it to me. Lazy in front of anything for me. I mean I'm like, I'm in, if we're going to bake, I've a lazy Susan. So I mean so. Creek. Do my do our show from the lacy creek. What you. Okay. How do I follow that one? Simple as simply growing up, and everything it was always more of more more of a beach thing. Like I said, I grew up the deep creek lake area in western Maryland, and we actually had a cabin on the lake. So to me that was waters. We were always water, people going to the beach, a lot of fun, boogie board and all that stuff. But now that I'm getting older. It's not quite enjoyable as much, but it is something where my kids can be distracted by the ocean. So I can get a little bit of relaxation. I'm afraid if I went up into a cabin in the mountains with them that they would drive me crazy because I don't know what I would have them to do. But if but if I could go on a vacation by myself right now, I am going to a cabinet mountains in the woods in the middle of nowhere. I'm a beach guy. I've been a beach guy my whole life. My parents asked my brother and I- multiple times. We would go on vacation every of the year. And they'd say guys, do you wanna go to Disneyland or DisneyWorld or whatever places? Or do you want to go to the gym? I brother and I never hesitated beach beach beach. It never been there. I never been to DisneyWorld never been to whatever have no plans to we have five kids can't afford to go anymore. I made on the street told us how much they have three kids how much it's gonna cost them to go this summer. That's not happening. But the beach, I love the beach. We're going to the beaches summer, I wanna move to the beach. I already know where I wanna move in South Carolina. I wanna be within a walking distance of the beach. I love everything about the beach. That's where I wanna be. I love the ocean. I love the ocean will be around it. I I love it. So that's where I'm gonna go. You'll see me on a beach somewhere, maybe TSE headquarters will be moving there sooner than later, if, if I win the lottery. Can you picture one Geoffrey? Hartman at the beach with Brunza. And like Barak fan phone, I can see. Jeff is is he's he's, he's too much of a health guy fitness guy that he could like pull off the beach me. I'm like, I'm like beached whale rolling. Surf, you know, take I have to wear swim shirt, because it would take an entire bottle of, of sunblock in order to cover me, so yeah but I still love it. I do. It's just I have to go to the fat beach. My love of the beach has nothing to do with my body fat percentage or anything like that. It's just the fact that I've loved the beach period. Always have. But anyways, Brian, go ahead. Finish it up here with your either or well ironically guys I had a beach quite now. But I was thinking, hey, say, nude beach, no nude beach know your answer. So wouldn't it be fun, just like a nude beach in, like, no? But I would do the nude beach, I would have no problem with my wife would never never do it. But anyways, so I've got a new, I've got a new fascination and it actually. Actually kind of hooks into an old fascination, but with game of thrones gone, I'm completely game of thrones. Now, I'm onto my nuisance. Ation Cobra KAI on Amazon prime not Amazon prime YouTube premium. And this is this is a throwback to the karate kid movies in the nineteen eighty four classic karate kid than came credit kid to in eighty six eighty nine. Dreadful karate kid three and ninety four is even more remarkably dreadful with Hilary swank the next karate kid. But what's so cool about this is they brought back almost everybody and the lines are blurred between good and bad. Now you have Johnny Lawrence from Cobra KAI, who is more of a sympathetic figure than Daniela Russo ever was. And it's just really great to watch the chemistry between these guys, watch them. Bring back all these guys from the past. And if your fate of the cruddy kid, you would absolutely love the show. So my question to you, and it might come down to just your personality. Who do you rather be trained in the art of karate by? Would you rather be trained by one, Mr. Miaki? Or would you go Cobra KAI never die and since they join crease. Okay, good. Dave. Jeff, I think we get I think we lost Jeff. According to someone in the live chat, Jeff us go back to hosting Blue's clues. I don't know what that he came from someone. Steve someone said compliment, I'm like how. Pluess serious. It was a guy that hosted Blue's clues. Then he quit because he was balding. And he didn't want the little gifts to see him. Go bald is that real? That's where. Really, he quit because he was going bald. I don't know if you quit or they forced him out. I don't know. Just went from being funny to being said. Let's, let's go. It's been so long as it's watched their original crowded kids. But yeah, I'll how do you not say, Mr. Yagi, you know, just? Seems more more more fun more of a personal connection not more about the glory of the sense. More about him teaching his knowledge. So we'll go there. I'm gonna go with Mr. meow GI because I've never liked cheaters. I've never liked people that played dirty. I'm okay with losing. I don't like losing if someone cheats to do it. So that's for me. I'm gonna go with these strata of no nonsense, Mr.. Miyagi. Well, first of all, the help you out with this whole thing, this is the same as either or's way back when, when it was, would you rather have your kid coached by Mike, chef ski or Bobby Knight, that's basically, the along the same lines of this. And I'm just going to tell you fellas. I'm not painting any old man's fence for pre, I'm not saying this floor. I'm not doing any of that, in, you know what if this guy's saying you're going to you're gonna learn. Learn a tough seine-saint, Sean crease, Koper never die. No mercy. Well, then there wouldn't notice the Brian was able to, to, to sneak in both nude beach and wax off in the same. I know Brian willing enough that I am not surprised by that at all. It wasn't even wasn't even planned in anyone. That's ever read his random thoughts of black, and gold mind articles should not be surprised either. So that's a good show next week. We will be back for another Steelers preview where we'll move into the six round. Three pigs and all my gosh talked about must listen podcast. Much must watch YouTube or talking about everyone's camps Arlene, and we haven't even gotten to camp yet Sutton Smith. Oh, sudden Smith. You just say Sutton Smith around the Steeler fan and they start getting all giddy. Is. So you know they have a thing for those Caucasian linebackers. I'm sorry incredible. Then with that said, that's a great way to end the show. For another episode of the Steelers preview.

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Steelers' Stat Geek: Statistics show better days lie ahead for the Steelers

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Steelers' Stat Geek: Statistics show better days lie ahead for the Steelers

"Pittsburgh steeler fans welcome back to another episode of Steeler Stat Geek. This is Dave Scofield deputy editor editor of behind steel curtain DOT com. I hope you all can hear me. let me know if you can't in the live chat because we've had some technical difficulties tonight our normal streaming service that we do through through. Youtube thank you gotTA. Let me know you can hear me. That's great. I didn't get to run the regular audio check because that other service is down so we had to do something else so we're actually coming link through youtube. Luckily this is solo show because if not I wouldn't have been able to add anybody else but I was running a little bit late anyway because as you all may know that the steelers within the last hour have just made another trade and that is one nick the net is or vinet or however you said you know I'd like to put your names is was just traded to the steelers from the Seattle seahawks. They reportedly gave up a fifth round pick for him. The steelers already did not have a fifth round pick because they traded it to the Miami Dolphins in order to gain their fourth round pick as part of the mink of his Patrick Trade so this means that it looks like they traded him traded for him with the pick that they got from the Jacksonville Jaguars when they traded Joshua Dobbs so if that's the case. It looks like it was a couple of weeks later but they traded dobbs for vinet so that's a pretty I'd say that's a pretty fair trade another some speculation about Vance McDonald health because does he was in a sling. Today I kind of was talking with Jeff Hartmann about this. He thought we'd better get ready to do something about McDonald's. Donald being out like maybe on the I. R. and I said I don't think so I think they needed another tight in any way he might be out short-term but hopefully not long term. I think they just will announce another move tomorrow so I'll actually check here in the live chat for a little bit see if anyone wants to throw it out there in order to have room for Vanette on the fifty three man roster. Who Do you think we'll get released tomorrow and the steelers must announce it. The possibilities are they could release Zach gentry and see if he could then get to the practice squad 'cause I don't see teams lining up to claim him or it could be one the wide receivers like a Dante Moncrieff or Ryan Switzer Moncrieff was not even active which did not see the field on offense. It's hard to say what they're gonNA do and I know a lot of people were saying about Dante. MONCRIEFF and I want to remind people are something before I go on. I wrote an article this past summer about the third round pick the steelers could receive for the loss of number twenty six the previous number twenty six to the New York jets as part of the consent of compensatory formula an part of that formula. Is You have to lose more players than you gain and if if something happened where let's say L. J. Fort got cut by the Philadelphia Eagles which he did not but that was a possibility going into training camp that the steelers that's the only way they could get their third round. Pick would be to cut either. Steven Nelson Dante Moncrieff and the overwhelming opinion was no no no. We don't want to get rid of them. This is great. We're doing wonderful. Oh how quickly things change that now everyone is calling for the release of Day Moncrieff I'm not going to go that far. I don't know what the steelers are going to do. They did make to practice squad moves today which was ironic that the added another tight end. The name is escaping me right now because because I'm a little bit flustered. The train just went down. The service wasn't working. I'm trying to get my numbers together to make sure that we're good so that's kind kind of what's going on. I can't I know he was a guy that that the steelers ended up drafting gentry because he was one of the ones that was already gone. I know it wasn't foster moreau. That was the guy I really liked but he had been with the this was a no. I don't think it was before January. I think he went later gentry. He was like a maybe a seven drought pick but the steelers picked him up practice squad and released Roberts Lane the linebacker. They also switched out corners earlier in the day. They brought back a corner. The I can't remember his name he went to Texas am or what other Texas schools yeah. Oh Elise Mac was the name of the tight end that they brought in. Thank you very much Philip I cannot because we're in a different streaming service. I cannot bring your comments up on the screen. Today is so I'll just try to try to say that but there was another I can't remember the name of the corner if anyone can help me Myers I think it was that that's what jared devil says in the live chat he was actually with the steelers early on in camp and he was released because he had mono so he was brought back and the other corner aw I want to say it was mathis was the other corner that was on the practice squad that the steelers released so wow lots of updates lots of things going on there. You're so for those of you that want to know a little bit about Nick Vinet. I'M GONNA try to look up some things here. I hope I'm still actually on Youtube. clicking can back up looks like. I'm still going to click to another window because this is different. Sorry for those of you in podcast form. You're probably wondering why it's such a problem but it's a different video service so it's a little bit tricky but Vanette. He did have a catch against the steelers. I think it was like twelve yard gain on third and ten or something but I thought I saw on twitter but when it comes to his statistics he has four four receiving touchdowns since he was drafted in in two thousand sixteen by this by this Elsie Hawks he didn't but when it actually comes to looking for his statistics here we go he. He only played in nine games in two thousand sixteen he played in fifteen games in seventeen and eighteen had played in all three games in two thousand nineteen his start start off a little bit because it all depends on what formation you come out and if you're too tight information he's more likely to start than than anything else but he had three re touchdowns last year last year in fifteen games he had twenty nine for two hundred nine yards but he did have a three touchdowns sounds and he had a touchdown in two thousand seventeen so that's the deal going on there. So that's the news the happened there but I don't want to talk about that the whole time because I had a whole show plan so let's go ahead and do that. As you guys know. The way we started off we talk about some numbers. Burson statistics from this past week and then we talk about some numbers and statistics that we want to have moving forward so let's talk about this past week. I Oh man there was another one down. I try to remember off the top of my head. The number that really jumps out to me is eleven of thirteen and if you're wondering what eleven of thirteen is from this past Sunday that eleven of the steelers thirteen drives lasted two who minutes or less of time off the clock. It just completely killed their time of possession. They didn't maintain drives. They didn't have long on drives. They're there to drives that were longer than two minutes was the second field goal when they go when they had their second turnover that they ended up in field goal range or they got a first down. They did run over two minutes off the clock there and they had a five minute drive. I'm I'm pretty sure that was in the second quarter. A thing was eleven plays or show but it only went thirty seven yards and it resulted in a punt and that was it when it came of two time profession so that is that let's see hold on here sure let's issue some time outs in the live chat. Already people are still going to come back and and continue to act with the same antics that they had in past nights. That's what's GonNa Happen so sorry that that distracted a little bit but that that was the number this past week that I wanted to talk about the time of possession numbers. They didn't have long drives they had it was over twelve and a half admits more tyler possessions for the forty niners then for the steelers they didn't hold onto the ball didn't sustain drives. I am I'm not coming on here and just I don't want to go on a tirade and everything else about the steelers coaching staff. That's just kind of not. I'm tired of I'm actually tired of hearing about it all the time and comments on twitter on everything else about the coaches yes. The coaches are are struggling as much as the players are this year for the steelers. The offensive line is struggling. I did a piece on that. The James Connor struggling part of that is dealing with the offensive line as well. I do believe that part of the offenses. They're not being put in a very good situation nation. I don't WanNa talk too much about the past week or just in general what we'll talk about some of the woes of look ahead. I the the most disappointing thing for me this past week outside of the numbers was the lack of creativity on offense. I felt that the offense was more creative in the the second half against Seattle that they were this past game. I haven't really been following a bunch in the live chat. I just people being upset with someone and it was a name that I noticed from before they have a tendency to come in here and create problems so luckily through this streaming service I was able I I have the time out feature much more readily available but I'm GonNa. Try to see what you have to say. Now I think that that Sunday Sunday kind of remind you all of a game in the past for the steelers it really reminded me of the steelers playoff game in in Denver at the end of the two thousand five five two thousand fifteen season when the week before Ben Rothlisberger was injured and left the game against against Cincinnati and came in at the end to save it. If you all remember the play calling I know that was that was a that was when Todd Haley was the offensive coordinator but if you remember the play calling in that game it was that Ben was playing but he obviously couldn't throw very far because of the injury so they had this completely safe. Ultra conservative game plan going in and they just felt really limited. I felt like the steelers did that this past Sunday as well and they didn't even need to and I don't feel I don't feel the need to and if you go back and compare that-that playoff game and the two thousand fifteen season against the Denver Broncos for the that was the infamous Fitzgerald Toussaint Fumble which then when the steelers had the lead and we're in scoring position to add to it yes someone in there just just a cosmic brought that up top he's not played well though until the fumble and the steelers still almost won that game but in that game I went and did some calculations even then with Ben Struggling and being able to throw and his shoulder everything they still had here was there shotgun to under percenter ratio I went back and looked at it looked at the statistics sealers dot com for every play of every drive just to do this today they they were in shotgun sixty five percent of the time and under center forty five percent of the time but yet on Sunday with Mason Rudolph and needing to establish uh-huh running game and an offensive line that blocks better running wise when the running back gets a running start and a running back that runs better getting running start if if you could even took this as a back handed comment that I saw James Condor made on his radio show about their San Francisco's defense being so fast that when they were running when they were running sideways. They just got there too fast in other words. That's the way of saying hey we need to run upfield. We need to run UPFIELD and the best way to do that as from under center but still the steelers ran ninety point two percent of their plays from shotgun. It's almost like they try to run. The exact same offense women rothlisberger with Mason Rudolph who is not Ben Rothlisberger basic needs to be Mason Star. Yes you specifically take offensive coordinator that was specific to the strengths of Ben Rothlisberger but if coach figuring wants to show that he's a that he is a real offensive coordinator and not just a easy one trick pony. All I can do is the stuff that Ben was good at. He's got to figure out something for them to do. I'm not saying he can't I'm not saying they should get rid commencing any of that. I'm just saying it needs to have a better a better game plan so crease telling me I need to preach it. I might have said some of the same stuff last night when I guessed it on the preview you not the preview the hangover wrong show but I think there's still a lot of potential there. Is there anything else from this game or the the season up to this date any numbers. Anyone else wants to throw out there now. I'm going to start looking at at the live chat right now so I can so I can see that I'll let everyone know what what point that. I did that so hey. I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk Kirk and we're the hosts of the shutdown forecast. Your avengers of college football podcast says there in the script onto riff on what that means and basically what I mean is this all already spoiled every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot ascott fights announcers fleeing the early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on Apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP. That's just kind of my thoughts on it. I know it in struggle on those stats but the the offense did the defense favors on Sunday. The defense got the five turnovers. They only got six points off of them now grant at least two of those turnovers. I kept the forty niners from scoring points when they were in scoring position at least two K every keep trying to click on these. I'm sorry guys that Mark Davidson says the bengals are nine emergency. Actually I think I think they're one nine in the last ten. I I think it's they've won eight in a row so that's pretty that's pretty close. so have. Philip says about zero people entered this week so yes. That's one of those things that we definitely want to look at. They're still looking here some people. We've already got some people calling to see to see duck. You're not gonNA see duck Lance's asking about the record of teams who have gotten five turnovers. I I've seen that somewhere. I don't have that off the top of my head. The record is I think the I think that they win the team that gets the five turnovers day win. It's over ninety seven percent of the time. It's not like it's the first time this has ever happened. but it's it is a very rare thing but some people want to say that it's like. Oh forty. That's that's not a correct stat some someone some other people were saying oh forty one and fourteen. That's not a correct. I've seen some a lot of on especial twitter. Incorrect stats thrown out there about the records with the five turnovers that are not true I did. I did see that there's I'm trying to remember. I mean then some people and I know I might be getting confused with the one that some people kept saying that they owed forty. One in one had to do with the with with the plus three turnovers. That's that's not true. I mean that at all. There's there's a lot of stuff. Maybe maybe that's something that I should make sure I get out there. I Saul someone put it out there and what it is but it's not it's not zero win. I mean it's not it's not that the teams would have had five. Oh five turnovers zero wins. That's that's not what's it's going on so so here we go. That's that's some historic stuff there. let's look for this week now. Oh I really WANNA turn look at the future because the title of the show. I'm trying to remember what thyroid show was. The title of this show was statistics. Show better days lie ahead for the steelers. Here's why I know people want to talk about this statistic and you know I I. I love to do statistics but sometimes you can get statistics to show anything that you want and the fact at the steelers are open three you could you could look at their statistics how much it could be to make the playoffs but what we don't realize is that since none of them have played each other the steelers technically all of the AFC north could have could be oh and three right now now. They're not because of some of the match ups that they have plot if they were. You can't tell me that there's such a low chance of don't make the playoffs because one of those teams would have to and I live this in an article that that that that said this is the path of the playoffs for the steelers. I'm pretty sure that was the one that I did. Yes it was today. I'm getting my days mixed up. There's a path steelers make the playoffs and it runs completely clearly through the AFC north. I laid it out in depth last night on the hangover. If you didn't get this to watch that on Youtube or listen to it on podcast makes you go back and do that that because there is a way for them to get there. What I want to look at is going forward. Is some of these crazy stats that a lot of people down on the steelers but you gotta look at who they've played and sometimes that's not what what people want to who they've played in the situations nations have been in week one. They lost to the defending super bowl champions. That have just been steamrolling everyone that we've seen right now. That's just one. You wanted to have a better showing but it was real. That was GONNA be. A tough win came the next week they we're playing a team that they could have and probably should have beat in. Seattle at home but they're still a good solid team and you lose your franchise quarterback. In the first half. There was just a little bit. I mean you've got to take that into consideration. Although I still feel that in that game Rudolph played better than Rothlisberger feelers could have had a chance to win that game if but if they could have made even had the ball back then the steelers have to go on the road to the West Coast to face another other undefeated team and the San Francisco Forty niners did have an excellent defense affront that have steamrolled their other competition now granted granted the problem steelers fans having losing this game which I completely understand is the is that they got the five turnovers they had so many any opportunity to win this game. If you didn't know about the five turnovers and you went into this game on the West Coast at the steelers were were six and a half point underdogs and you went into this game and you were told that you had the ball with just around just over four minutes left in the game up three. You'd be ecstatic if you even said hey there in field goal the other teams in field goal range with two minutes left in the game name so you're going to hold on a field goal and then try to score yourself or or get the ball back with a little bit of time to didn't have to try to catch catch. I chop down for steeler. Fan still would've taken that going into the game. It was the other fifty eight minutes that led up to that point that is so so disappointing so when you look at just the wins and losses you were we're also taking into account how wins and losses came but if you look at it right now the combined record of the teams that the steelers have played the first three weeks is eight and one they are they have a winning percentage challenge of eighty eight point nine percent now part of that is because they have three wins over the steelers. Let's take those three wins away. Those was teams are still five and one which is eighty three percent winning percentage and you're also gonNA look at the only team that's lost a game out of the teams that they've played so farm is the Seattle Seahawks who lost to the New Orleans saints granted. They didn't have drew brees but they still had their other weapons that they have so what I'm saying is these teams at the loss to our good teams if the steelers would have dropped a game already to to Miami or Arizona or someone like that that would really be a cause for concern but the steelers had the chance of probably should have one one one if not two of those games against good quality opponents so I know right now steeler fan refreshing. They don't have much faith. I know I hear from Lance Williams all the time this season's over this he's done. Blah Blah Blah a mike not when there are only two games out and of of the north and the ravens their two wins who are against Arizona and Miami. You would expect them to win those games. You're we're still going to expect the steelers to win. Those Games. Baltimore still has to play Seattle and San Francisco and New Orleans not New Orleans New England Oakland okay so that's the hope going on here. So this is the numbers going into the steelers the winning the current winning percentage of the teams steelers dealers have already played is eighty eight point nine percent. The current winning percentage of the teams at the steelers have yet to play in the remaining aiming thirteen games right now is thirty nine point seven percent moving forward. They have winnable games. They have winnable games now. A couple of those games are tough. You've got after Cincinnati. You've got Baltimore. That's tough then you have to go to the chargers. That could be tough. You've still got the undefeated rams and but the other team it's on here. It's really bringing bringing this record. Even higher is the three no buffalo bills but you also gotta look at the the bills are three zero but are they really legit there. They play the Patriots this. We can show you a lot about the bills. The bills have had some some their victories over some. I'm pretty sure yes looking back on it. The buffalo bills were three no at every team that they have beat. This season is Owen three. They have not beat a team. That's actually has a win yet. So all of the bills were three. That's that's that so. If you look ahead of the the steelers play there's still a lot of teams out there that even if the steelers would have played like they did against Seattle or even like they did against San Francisco they could beat those teams because the steelers just came up short against better quality opponents I still think San Francisco's pretty good because their defense is the real deal in my opinion she kinda gotta look at look at that now if you look at the ravens the the winning percentage of TV leaves they've played so far is thirty eight point nine percent. If you take away the winds wins and losses that the Ravens got from those teams then then you are then then it's like forty four percent something like that but and the Ravens the team they still have yet to play their winning percentages at forty six point one percent so technically you look at they have a harder schedule ahead to what the steelers do part of that is because the ravens played the steelers twice. That's Owen six right now that factors into that that because the steelers Rohan three so they have that Cleveland's in a very similar situation I think they have the exact same winning percentage of teams moving forward Cleveland's Cleveland's in it and what's really interesting is right now. I'm not sure who I'm rooting for you between Cleveland bottom line this week because Cleveland Got Baltimore this week and then there are you'd think their next three games I'm not sure the exact order but it Seattle San Francisco by and the New England I mean the most winnable game I think that the that the browns have is probably the Ravens this week in Baltimore I mean and then maybe San Francisco but I'm pretty sure they're traveling out there as well so they've might have that backwards. I'm not sure if there are not so that's pretty interesting to think about as well is that the browns although they have if you look at the end of their scheduled their last eight weeks other than the steelers and and the and the Ravens don't play that's where they have the dolphins and the cardinals and the bengals twice and a bunch of teams like that so Cleveland Cleveland got a chance to come back at the end but they've got to get through that New England game I so I'm still not sure who I'm pulling for. The live chat. I've been looking at it because I want to stay focused on what you're saying. So that's my number's going forward is that my numbers going forward to this. Week is thirty nine point seven percent. That's the winning current winning percentage of all the remaining teams steelers have yet to play that Baltimore Game's going to be enormous. I'm really glad that the steelers played the Bengals I because I'd much rather play the Bengals I and the Ravens next because this is that game that they need the steelers have to win this week if they dropped Oh and four and Owen one in the division an and lose to another to to a fellow and three team coming into it they have real problems. They've got they. They get things on track right now. I'm sure People Watch at probably agree that that this is a must win game. This is a must when game so it's GonNa be interesting to see Monday night. if you want to throw out some some particular statistics sticks. I'm going to say I want the steelers. You don't even have to go thirty thirty but you've got to get at least twenty eight minutes time time of possession all right. You've got to get that this week. I would prefer them to win the game at the time of possession but I mean you've got to cut that number from twelve to less than four. That's got to happen. That's one to you've got to be able to run the football and I'm not talking about attempts. I'm talking about yards because you can continue to sit back and run the ball and run the ball and run the ball. all you can but if you're not going anywhere with it is going to help. They don't have to just run. They need to run effectively so I think this is a good game to get the offensive line line back on track. Get those big guys back on track. Get out there another some another some good. I mean south of Cincinnati doesn't have good defensive front. What do they gave they gave. Seattle some fits with that but get back out here against a familiar opponent and go out there and show everyone that you that you are the strength of this team because as I had to write on Monday right now that's offensive line looks more like their biggest weakness rather than their biggest strength so that's what what I want to see going forward. I really WANNA WANNA WANNA see that time of possession a little bit more balanced but I'm trying to say for everyone. That's down on everything and you're saying the steelers terrible they've lost two good teams and they have winnable games have ahead so if these three losses were spread out over different different parts of the season. I would understand but in my opinion if you want to say if you want to say that the eight toughest I games for the steelers versus a not as tough games for the steelers all three of these games. I don't know exactly where they'd fall because I really think it through the first quarter of the season. I two two draw too many conclusions but I I would put all three of these teams in the in the most difficult eight they might even be probably in the most difficult five of their games perhaps well. I don't know because I put Baltimore up there too and then he played them twice. You GotTa count them so it it. It's not an easy task. Not An easy task so so yes for those of you just joining us. The steelers made a trade for Nick Vinet from Seattle gave up a fifth round pick appears to would be the picked at the game from Jacksonville Joshua Dobbs because I'm pretty sure that's the only one they had. I am now going to open up. The live chat to either numbers or question. Sorry if I'm typing really loud that if anyone wants to throw anything out there we can take some time here to do that some numbers you would like to see going forward this week now or if you have a question just so you know you can use these super chat feature on here. I'm going to bet scholz going back just to make sure we're not missing any super chat stuff okay. That's good. The super chat feature is you can type in your comment and before you hit send you click the little dollar sign down at the bottom you can donate any amount that you want to show and that would then just come to us that will bump up your question to the top off of the queue that you can ask and get that asked or that common out there no matter what unfortunately. I can't bring them up on the screen but I can read them so here we go. Let's let's dive in and see this here we go mark. Davis Jason what he wants to see is one hundred percent effort from the whole team agreed yeah. There's a lot of there's a lot of guys I'm not saying. I don't WanNA call anyone out. There say that it's not one hundred percent effort but when the team is a whole looks like it's not giving everything they've got. It's gotta be because individuals aren't and I still think it could be paralysis by analysis. It could be that they're trying to figure out what they're doing. They're second guessing what they what they're Simon on defense or something like that so they just got to get more confident. When I coach Football High School football I told my players I would rather you go one hundred percents and completely blocked the wrong person this offensive lineman then go at it half way but get assignment right. I'd rather you go one hundred percent and completely miss your guidance so if he believes the playboy of the plate will fix it some of the time but I'd rather you do that going one hundred percent the actually get to the right guy ongoing fifty percents so that's true here we go about wait. I skipped ahead a little bit. Melvin says Jalen Island Tangles these are more touches agreed agreed. He's whether it's on the pass or on the run K. higher low from Kevin four turnovers and four touchdowns That's a bit high on the turnovers but I think they need to score four touchdowns this week they could probably get a win with three but for would be better vinet a good pickup. I don't know a ton about him but I'll be honest with you. Do you even have to ask if he's better than grumble. Hey I'm the editor in chief of the verge urge host of the verge cast revamping the more and more lately and coming out episodes twice a week sometimes even a third bonus episode on Tuesdays and talked to influential people around the world of Tech like Microsoft founder Bill Gates and other tags like founder of lime scooters the CEO of beyond meat. 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I don't think that's the case at all but I will say that he has now become a steadier person to fill McDonald's out and a much better number two option Russian at the tight end so w h h what's at least at least fifty fifty yards rushing in two hundred and fifty yards passing yeah what's sad is those weren't impressive totals but yet that's still something good. Okay Chuck DOC car. I love your thought process but there ain't no way I can see it happening. He wants to see a fifty fifty split between shotgun and being under center in that just doesn't seem to be the the way that rainy features offense is gonNA operate. I'd be happy with eighty twenty at this point and that's still way too much so so I just think they have so many more options with the play action and with the running game and I don't think that roof is afraid to drop back from under center so they're cre- wants to know what's IT GONNA. Take to the receivers play better with your young guy. I just GonNa take experience. That's pretty much it and it's GonNa take actually passing the ball down the field. I saw prompt sure a bunch you you saw statistics that the only two passes completed more than one yard downfield by the steelers on Sunday with two touchdown passes that was it. Everything else was completed around the line of scrimmage. There was some other passes thrown longer but they were not completed so that's something that's God that takes both the quarterback doc and the receivers stepping up there wasn't surprised that they went kind of conservative with Rudolph and didn't let them do much but I thought they would at least change stuff enough to make things better. If you're not gonNA let Rudolph throw it down the field that you've gotTA lineup under center and gives you running backs a better better chance of gaining yards and offensive lineman a better chance of driving guys down the field you can't have it both ways one hundred fifty yards. Oh wait there we go. I think it skipped ahead where mark They said he wanted to reiterate. What what he really meant before was that it was a hundred and fifty yard rushing you it was a Typo? There was another one in there. I just couldn't see it. Maybe that was double. H maybe it wasn't. Maybe it was mark mark. I'm getting confused now. I'm sorry I got lost for a moment jumped on me. So yeah had sixty percent of third down conversions game vodka drinker. That would be fantastic. The steelers have three third down convergence in each game. I think there are three of twelve three eleven three twelve five remember off the top of my head. I mean they haven't hit double digit three third down conversions on the season in three games. That's pretty bad so bill Davis. It says the bill cowher used to say I don't care if you're wrong. Be Wrong Wide Open Yup. That's kind of the same thing that I can say. I'll this is a good question from steeler fan seventy four. Do I think that Connor last week look to step off from his knee injury. I I didn't even think about the whole thing within the the entry. I don't know that that was bothering him. I know that the offensive line look bad. I know that there weren't there wasn't any surge. There wasn't any holes in a lot of times times and they were asking him to run sideways awful lot so I don't know if the knee Eddie to do with it I know he was trying to protect the ball when he fumbled it. He's just gotTa get better at that act. That's just Kinda. How it is daredevil one hundred purpose yards from jalen samuels that sounds fantastic someone was asking about Big Ben's contract extension guaranteed money has signing bonus was that's how those things kind of work and how that plays out you could over the cab dot com a great place to go check that out. That's all I would do it. Just report it to you. All LOMB last year was saying to someone bringing up about last year against the bengals that they could not they could move they couldn't move the ball game against the bengals because of Mr Third and fifth and the offense was running around him and the that's might be part of the problem now. I'll be honest with you. What happened weeks last year was they're planning on him being there and he wasn't so the game plan was kind of off for Matt as well? says these receivers are young need to develop that is true. I completely agree with that or someone saying we need a new punt returner. I will tell you this Ryan. Switzer does catch the ball pretty well. He did have one that went to armed and came right back up to him. I think that was in week two but when it it comes to actually gaining yards there's not much going on there. Dennis completely agree here that the offense needs to be less predictable addictive. That's the problem you're just officers lined up and saying this is why we're going to stop it and when they had been rothlisberger. That's how Ben wanted to act but that's not the way this team is built now Mark Davidson. Aj Green is playing their head. I remember the name of the new head coach. The bengals isn't that sad announced today that he's not not expected to play. Chuck says about Grynbaum fullback that grumble was playing fullback up until Donald got hurt. Then grumble had to play tight end. Apparently Zag gentry got ten snaps on Sunday. Did anyone else notice him on the field because I sure didn't someone said what be able to where steelers Jersey public again. I wear my no matter what you know what this team is going to be out in sixteen and I'm still going to be a fan. I still am I want to say what they need to do. I am not remorseful over next year's first round pick. I don't know why so many people are are so fixated on it because they feel the seasons not going the way they want and they want to look for that already. That's not a guarantee. I don't know why you're so focused on next year already or more or less when it comes to draft a lot of times it's the year after after that when these players really start to pan out. I don't know why you're so worried about the future when what we need to worry about Cincinnati worry about Cincinnati. Let's get a win. Thus get another one. Let's start stacking them and we're worried about a first round. Pick next year instead. We got a player. That's showed that he is well. Worth a first round. Pick Doc that is playing for us right now. that's right bill wear that. Jersey loud and proud. I'm going to skip ahead for you guys a little bit. I'm sorry because there's a lot going on in the with lots of comments tonight guys. I really appreciate it. the way agrees at the time of possession is the most crucial stat for reach game well. It's one of the most crucial stats for each game. Of course we all know. The only one that really matters is points and the steelers have gotta got it. Yes you're correct. They've got to keep that turnover margin. They've got to keep that zero or in on the positive JOE under that it to be in the negative cre- wants to know with a new title and play this week. Here's what's great the steelers because they play on Monday. They don't like we don't get an injury report on Wednesday like we normally would we'd normally get injured report. Wednesday and Thursday Thursday and a status report Friday not this week we get our injury reports Thursday and Friday and status report Saturday even coach Tomlin press conference did not what happened today. It happens tomorrow. Everything's a week later so bringing him now being a Monday night game getting him on a Tuesday. I think he'll be a plea ready go. I think that was the expectation in trading for him. So here we go. I'm trying to see people. Ask me how much you know about autumn. I kind of answered that before. I don't know a ton about the new tight end. I really don't I don't know I know he had like like I said I know. You had three touchdowns last year. He didn't have a ton of yards and it didn't have a ton of receptions averaged not even two receptions a game but I mean there's more to a tight end in that. I don't know how he is a blocker. I really don't know I'm I'm half tempted. If if this trade aid would have happened several hours three hours earlier I would have tried to get ahold of off of Brandon from from field goals. which is the Seattle espy nation podcast? I went on his show show with him. He was on with Jeff and lance when we played Seattle. I want to try to get hold of them. I don't even try to have got him on. The show but hunt didn't matter because stream yard wasn't working thing so we had to do something else. I wouldn't have been able to have him on but I need to talk to him about what he knows about this. I'll probably reach out to him here. After the show to say what's going on St Stewart Fan seventy four wants to know what do we do to shore up the middle of the field on defense. That's the million dollar question that really is. I don't know if that has to do with scheme or personnel. I don't know I think teams are specifically scheming to exploit that sometimes sometimes. I wonder if the steelers forget that the other team game game plans against you as well. They're going to try to exploit what you're doing. So that's why you can't just constantly keep doing the same thing because they are. That's the thing that they're trying. They see what you're doing and and they're they're making decisions based based on what you've done in the past. If you just keep doing what you've done in the past they are going to be able to do what they need to to exploit that so you've you've gotta mix it up. You've got to disguise what you're doing. You've got not make it so predictable. I know that's what a lot of people are saying. I would like both both coordinators to coordinate in order to win the game and not sometimes it just feels like they're coordinating out of fear of losing their job. Bob Are playing it safe to try to not lose. They don't want to screw up too bad to lose their job. Guess what you don't need to lose your job you need to you need to win your job. You need to earn it so so let's go out there and and earn yet. Mark says they need to tackle. That's the tackling hasn't been terrible this year with the exception of the one run on Seattle run that there were some tackles missed on that one so some people are giving some answers about the new steelers tight end in the live chat. That's great. You can check out if you're there so there's just kind of kind of drying up with questions a little a bit now because people were answering the other one so. I really appreciate you all joining me tonight some things to talk about just in general next week. I'm not sure exactly how things are going to go because with the steelers playing on Monday night that's kind of messing up our podcast schedule. There is the possibility the the we could have double podcast next Tuesday honor. The hangover usually goes around five forty five Mondays they were late this Monday because of a sketch conflict but but they're usually more of an earlier show on Monday but since the Games on Monday and that shows GonNa need to be on Tuesday. We might run the hangover early and stat geek late. That's not aww definite but it is a possibility so hopefully maybe even in the Post Game Show Jeff Lance can let people know what that's how that's going to play out yes so that's one to the time for submitting for the for the tickets for Monday. Night's game is over that ended at eight o'clock. I already already sent those submissions to both Brian and Jeff. They have both chosen their five favorites. I think there was at least one overlap so you the wall will have eight or nine to choose from tomorrow morning. Probably a think it's right around seven thirty. They'll be an article coming out to pick the new to pick the slogan winter four t shirt for us to print up an order for people to be able to purchase the person who chose that slogan slogan that is the winner will get tickets to the game Monday night against the bengals after the show is done. I'm going to be reaching out to those people. 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The Steelers Preview, Part 2: Should Steeler Nation curb their enthusiasm when it comes to the tight end position?

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The Steelers Preview, Part 2: Should Steeler Nation curb their enthusiasm when it comes to the tight end position?

"And we are back with the second part of the steelers preview with Brian Anthony Davis the podcast producer from behind the curtain dot com I am Dave, scofield. Editor my other CO editor from by the soccer dot COM Jefferson Harmon sorry Jefferson Bartholomew Hartman is not with us. Tonight is he's on vacation, but he will be back next week. So Brian Let's get back into this. Let's get on topic. This is US talking this is the problem with you and I get on topic. Or are expectations too high for the tight ends here. Yes and here's the reason why now it's not a bad thing. It's actually a good thing why our expectations are high but I wanNA talk about Eric. Iran I is a high profile. Free. Agent signing. And he's a guy that had sixty six receptions. Seven hundred fifty yards and thirteen touchdowns two seasons ago. He was a pro bowl selection. But if you go back then py, Hilton was hurt a little bit. Andrew Luck was healthy. And He was his only receiver. This situation now in Pittsburgh is you have another talented tight end advanced McDonald who we're going to talk about and you have four or five receivers that are going to be targets of Ben. Rothlisberger. So he's not going you're not going to expect thirteen touchdowns out of this guy. But that's okay if you look at the steelers. Who's The guy who always talk about when we talked about tight ends with the steelers it's Heath Miller. What is his highest number as far as touchdowns? It's eight. Grand Chai's record. Yes. Eight touchdowns he's. In. You'd probably not two thousand twelve was it twelve twelve and he also had eight, hundred, sixty, six yards. Now. One thing that you look at here is when you combined Jesse James and Vance McDonald in two thousand seventeen. There were one thousand yard receiver. Together and it seems like, Pittsburgh, could do better than worrying about having one superstar. But having to combined players to get. The numbers of George Kettle or Travis Kelsey who just got paid big time over the last couple of days but. You know when you're looking at that, you don't these guys WanNa play in for numbers. We talked about this. When we talked about the receivers, there's a lot of balls that need to be going around Juju. You don't expect fourteen hundred yards out of Juju you expect. Maybe eleven hundred at the most because other guys neither balls too. So, this is a situation where you have a lot of guys. It's all young guys I. Think they need him. Yeah. As, long as by dropping. But the one thing you're looking at, it's kind of like. You have a mom momma dog and she's got six to seven poppies. They only need fat. and. That's the thing. So you don't expect somebody in the live chat said I hope I hope he goes off I hope he goes off to but you kind of want these guys to work enter. Be, interchangeable and if you get one thousand yard receiver out two guys and you break franchise records but you're not breaking franchise records but the position does then you're golden. And we talked about this with wide receivers before we did, the steelers have to have a thousand yard wide receiver. Now, just imagine if they have five guys with eight hundred dollars. So does it really matter how much divvied up and that's kind of what your point is when it comes to Eric Hebron and Vance McDonald, we don't need one of them to absolutely go off. What here's what might happen it might be that you get Hebron going off for several games. You Conveys McDonald going on for several games take that that Tampa Bay game over. I'll take a repeat of that for sure and then then you had games like Seattle last year we had two touchdowns so It doesn't. Sometimes. Having the threat from from multiple people will allow one to go off and think about when the steelers had played Seattle for years prior when they really went on shutting down Mr Third and fifth who had two hundred yards receiving that game pretty amazing. That was Marcus Weeden. Yup So. What's Nice is when you have multiple options if they focus if if if a team comes, it's GonNa shut we're not gonNA let Eric. Abroad. Kill us in the red zone. Did you know what you do? You kill him with somebody else asked me to do and this is the year that they can do that. Yeah. The one thing that you've got to look at the most here Dave and for everybody. Is this fact that you also have a heck of an injury history with Eric Hebron and Vance McDonald? Yes. And that could make things go off the rails a quick hurry. And when they're preparing to have a two headed monster a tight end and next thing you know Zach gentry's in there and who knows he's a, he's a big guy. He's a project he was drafted as a project because he. Have a prominent position. Maybe you want to deal with that. Yeah well. It's interesting because I want to tease a little bit. Doing my projected fifty, three man roster. I obviously had to change change something from the last time I did it so I'm like, what am I going to do? What are we doing to keep running backs where the steelers going to squeeze another player off of the fifty three I wouldn't created this time and because of the new practice squad rules I went with, let's keep you tight ends. Let's keep tight ends on the active roster and to on the practice squad and they pull up if you need to. because. I don't think he was going to be going out to to grab Zack gentry not even see if he's progressed from last year I had one catch for four yards last year. What's I mean unless they're decimated a tight end so As a possibly because if the steelers are gonNA run a quote, unquote three tight end sets, it's going to be on a run play. They're going to have their jumbo tight end. That's an extra offensive lineman. So. So yeah that's that's what I said. Brad is Mike if you keep to keeping a fourth running back yes that was the key. Meaning other than Derek, whatnot because that's fullback separate. So that's the whole reason I did it is to squeeze somewhere off last time I did it I wear I kept one one myself of Wiedeman just wanted to look at a different angle but if I think if the steelers. Keep. Less guys what position than they're gonNA keep even more on that practice squad. But I'm GONNA pull Rowdy Roddy Piper on you just what you think you have the. I'm, GonNa Change the question. A show I know. I know and rather than ask the question. Of do the steelers having irreplaceable. Tight end on the roster. I'm GonNa ask you this question. Of the two main tight ends. For the steelers which one is, the is the most irreplaceable or is it a combination thing? So. For me I really think that. This year, the irreplaceable guy might be Eric Hebron. Just because of. What he is being brought in for because right now, he has been brought in to replace a guy that they think that they have one more year out of I mean no more years out of this is his swansong possibly for Vance McDonald. So he has been brought in on a two year deal to cover that with them expecting. Vance. McDonald to be possibly gone. In fact, I was looking at an article on bleacher report I don't know who put it out and they they put all thirty two teams. And the question was who the most, who's the one guy with the most likelihood to be traded for each team and of course I knew they were to go with Bud Dupree. But I'm also thinking if they see something they like out of one of these other guys in camp and they know they're gonNA lose Vance McDonald and they think they can get. A Nice draft pick out of them when I say Nice draft pick I'm thinking of fourth rounder. Maybe, they could sneak a third I doubt it. I don't know but I also see him being a candidate to be traded I. Doubt it but he would have been. He's one of your top two guys to be traded. So I think Vance Mc Donald is as talented as I think he is. You know with a salary cap issues they probably think he is on on his way out the door and this is his last go around here. So that's why Eric Iran is your irreplaceable steeler for this year. And this is fantastic because I get to give my answer anyway just to disagree with you, it's not just disagree with you. This was my answer in the first place and that is Vance McDonald and the reason I think it's Vince McDonald's is because he is a more complete tight end meaning when it comes to blocking Eric Braun is not known for his blocking. So. If you lose Vance McDonald and you're going to go with E. Braun is the guy you have out there all the time you're Kinda your when you take them off the field to put in someone else it's kind of. You're not going to get the same the same threat because even if it's act, Gentry is your next tight end. If you take e- out in place of Gentry. You're probably. Typically to run more, and if you're GonNa do that, you might as well bring in the jumbo linemen if you know what I mean because. Eric Brown I mean, you could you're just not gonNA get quite as much out of him because Vance's more complete in that way I'm GonNa say he's he's going to. Be the one that's more irreplaceable. Hey, what do you know Jeffrey Benedict One of our fellow podcasters said goes down you don't have Ibran in line blocking for Arby's if broncos you play chase capable more. See if clay polls ready. which hopefully will be. So that's the reason I want McDonald's because I, mean. We're talking about if if the standard if the standard the standard when it comes to tell you that that standard is Heath Miller what made he's Miller. So Great. Is that he was a complete titan complete he was the complete tight end and to me of the two I do think e is more of the passing threat weapon. Absolutely. But Vance McDonald is the more complete tight end and if you don't have a complete tight end. Ben To go along with that passing threat. You could be in trouble because notice even when Ibran. was in was an Indie. When he really broke out was who was there another tight end to? Jack Doyle. Dowse Clark said he was A to. Say. That was before him. Jack toils. John Van. That The through the wrong data out there. Okay. So that's why I would go there. But honestly it's a great question and I'm not saying ones right over the other I really not. But I could see the argument of the way it's it's what you're looking at. Are you looking at the steelers being more balancing when it comes to run and pass or you looking at them being that purely pass weapon great target in the Red Zone It's tricky but it's still funny. I still think people are like yeah. Yeah. Will get poached by someone you've got to understand. This it's going to be much easier in my opinion to get players on the practice squad issue ever before absolutely there's no preseason. There's no preseason to see what everyone has the only way you can evaluate players in practice so. You know for example, if they're like well, always off from gentry last year was one catch for four yards. Didn't see him in the preseason. Yeah. He's big but we really WANNA save fifty, three man roster spot for this guy that we have no idea about when the steelers would rather different with two tight ends rather than keep him. That's a big gamble for team. Don't know if they could if they couldn't. So. I'd say that though that they won't keep tight ends. I. Just I had to find something somewhere and that seemed to be a good spot for the time. Rather than offensive line again. That's not bad. So now remember there's five tight ends on the roster right now. and. You can name them correct Yeah Kevin Dax Raymond and Zach, Zach entry along with McDonald and Hebron. Good Mister. Bryant Davis, you did your homework for doing some homework. Yes. So and what's interesting is that will Jeffrey brought that up is. Chase Klay Pool might be you know even right off the bat wild to see could be could be an option to do similar things receiving is that heirarchy Bron does? So. that. Would that would be an interesting option if there's a problem there the biggest thing is, let's keep them both healthy. Right That's the king but that is what we're really looking at here. Yeah. You know in but that's where you've got to and I quote Lance Williams who's in the live chat now I just saw that I wanted to shout out I've got a quote lance because he just won't eat. He just did a shout out to my title and Larry David This is where you've got to curb your enthusiasm and don't to go crazy thinking that they are going to go nuts. Because they have the potential to go off but we've seen that injury bug hit these guys. We saw it last year and this is what makes one of these guys irreplaceable because we saw it with Nick Vernet being you're only guy last year for a game. and. It was basically like the other team will the defense was on a power play the entire time because you knew he was blocking and that's it. You knew he was not going to be an offensive option because when you bring a tight end and in that late. In the in the game and when I say in the game that's after week two. Week three. They're they're not getting acclimated and he did not get acclimated. Some people pick it up quick. Some people don't. Make Patrick. You not jumped on number even trained and he was ready to go but you know what? It's easier to come in as the safety and jump in. On that moving train. So, anything else you want to say about tight ends here, Brian before we. Start doing a little bit of Trivia. You know what? It is going to be very interesting and remember just don't worry about these guys breaking breaking the ceiling they don't have to break individual records. This is a team. This is the one year that they are so loaded with pass catchers. and. We talked about this earlier let these guys do it together and you get that thousand yards and not worry about if they're five hundred and five hundred with fifty balls of a piece that's one, hundred, thousand. That's what you're looking for every every single time. But there's going to be games where they don't show up. There on the field and they're doing their job, but they're not showing up because there's not a lot of balls to go round. Your I mean, does it really matter the number Jersey of the name of the back some I just can't believe the live chat is so in love with a fifth round pick, you know what? What generally has happened with steelers fifth round picks what apple with previous one one year on the active roster next year on the practice squad. End of their formula so I would just go on the steelers formula so. Can I don't think you could make it I'm just saying they got to do something to try to get that extra. Pick. Between I'M GONNA. Ask You this question if you had to pick between Zach, Gentry Jalen Samuels or Wendell smallwood who would you pick on the? Who would you pick on the roster? You can only take one out of those three. I'm kind of in love with smallwood right now. But I the third option there unless you want like skimp on offense Lineman or another position I don't want to get rid of Gentry but I think you could fashion you definitely could I want? Someone, who could be stashed gap and that's that's perfect. So I I agree with you. and. A lot of people. You Donald Disagrees with you and I I'm going to bring up job man because he's disagreeing with me I have no problem. Yeah. I mean you know I'm wrong a lot. I agree love Nowy I mean, I'm used to being wrong asked my wife but he says I believe that might have been worse something of Ben wasn't injured. No I still think that was a good trade bring them in that was fine but it was a situation where the reason he's was not going to be a pass catcher bringing them in that late it just wasn't going to happen especially with the young quarterback here and even even with Ben even then was there. How long did it take Vance McDonald to settle in when he came right before the fourth preseason game and did not play in the fourth preseason game in two thousand seventeen now he lit ben he and band towards the end of the two thousand seventeen season and especially in that that wildcard game that first round game against Jacksonville, he lit it up. I mean, he had over ten catches they were. They were together. They were good combination Burnett could have reached there. But what I'm saying there's nothing wrong with bringing. Veneta, in is just like he was he was not the guy to be your primary pass catcher. Like ought to be that's like putting Matt Spaeth in the starting role in saying he's your pass catcher. Yeah. That's that was you're not really having the primary offense. Yep He's GonNa do something for he's GonNa catch balls and help you. But that's more of a surprise that's more of a hey, we cut yet NAPN with the And it's so crazy because people were like, Oh, we have had that fifth round pick instead of a net you know what the steelers did. The steelers did exactly what everyone was crying for in the preseason we need to trae dogs for tight end. We need to trae Dobbs for tight end. That's what they did. They got a fifth round pick for jobs. Now it was a different fifth round pick traded because they traded boulter fifth round picks. So it didn't really matter which one it was, but they turn around the fifth round pick to the net. So in essence you traded you, you know all but traded Dobbs for Vernet which is what people wanted at least get something for Dob didn't try to get another tight end. So he kind of he filled a role there. But like you said, he was not brought in to be that number one guy that's going to go you know. Have have eight or ten targets at a game. That's just not what he was meant to do. It could be valuable but to your point, that's not why is Brandon Yeah? Thank you so. It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. It's I'm telling you that tight end position is gonNA, come down to injuries. It really is you know can they stay healthy and? That's the NFL. That's every team every year you know that a lot of times it's the healthiest teams or teams that can over overcome those injuries that. That end up playing a lot more games. I agree so so Brian. Your some Trivia. I am yours is. I yeah. Sorry for that day. About your your seventeen. MINUTE TRIVIA Losses. This is actually a very easy one. So since one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, six. The Pittsburgh steelers have selected tight ends. Four. Times. With the number one over an excuse me the number one pick not the first round. Pick the first round pick. Their number one pick. Excuse me. I do that all the time I was trying to say first overall pick and they've never done that. With their number one pick who were they? So seventy six okay well I could tell you for sure that it was. Everyone's favorite Heath Miller yeah. We have. Mark Bruener. By the way. Why didn't even realize? I am wearing a mark. You can see that. Very Rare I. Just I forgot I had just founded two minutes before the show. Is On. Tight tight end. What's Now you talking first round picks Eric, green? Yes and since you said some seventy six, that means we gotta go back. So this is the one I'm GONNA screw up. WAS IT Was Cunningham. It was the late Benny Cunningham. All Right I. got it and when you're talking Randy Grossman, it was randy. Grossman and Benny Cunningham did a pretty good job of being that two headed monster that I'm talking about with Vance McDonald and Eric Abraham. They were pretty good at in that rule. Yes, they were. No. Jay Riemersma Jersey bed says Donald Nolan. I would have gotten one. I would have worn. Roemer. Well, Donald also wanted to know what the other type of what other tight and they're gonNA keep it a practice squad Donald I got to leave something for the article you're just GonNa have to have to check out behind the curtain dot. Com and get that article there. I can't be given up all the secrets at one time but I. Did. Give up that that was my that was my crazy talk that I'm like, let's find a different spot where they could get an extra running back this time I had already done offensive line and I wasn't sure if I was going to go out receiver next time I'll probably do a different one I'll go to keep in three tight ends just just to give. Some different stuff. Are you ready for my trivia? Oh. Man I can't. Or. Mine's actually running back related because that was doing this for an article where I looked up something and I threw it in the article. So you probably have no idea what I'm talking about because you don't read my articles. None of team player. Since the merger post. Merger. The steelers. I'll say this Benny Snell junior is the sixth steelers running back who as a rookie. rushed. For. Who had more than one hundred rushing attempts had triple-digit rushing attempts in his rookie season he was the sixth one. Can you name the other five? Okay let's. Since the merger of course, we've got to go with Franco Harris Franco Harris that is correct and I'm going to go you can't go Rashard mendenhall because he got hurt that's correct in week four. So, let's go ahead and take a look at. Probably wrong on this one but let me go out on a limb has he played a good bit in nineteen ninety season. Berry Foster. Foster. Okay Barry Foster. had. Where whereas to do he had thirty six attempts that season? Thirty, six rushing attempts. So we are talking rookies here. I'm going to, I'm going to try with Amos's airway. It was not Amos's airway not Amos Amos. Getting. Mattel I gotta try to find him on here where Walter wait. Eighteen attempts his rookie year. Walter Abercrombie. No Man. I thought this was an easy one Bryan, watch our Aubrey. Walter Abercrombie had twenty one attempts. Okay. So you've got Franco hairs. Of did I say did I say Levian, Bell You did not say love your now we had two hundred and forty four. Most of a rookie. Okay. So you got three left. Byron. Bam Bam Morris One hundred, Ninety, eight attempts. To left. One should be easy. The other not so much. Oh Timmy Wurley Morley that should have been easy one because they had two first round picks that year you like talking about that all the time yeah. Oh. Yeah. I'm still mad about that. If you can't keep them, I'll give you the year. Nineteen eighty-four. Rich Ehrenberg in the ninth. Round Jim Hundred forty-seven selection. Rich Ehrenberg had a hundred and fifteen attempts for four hundred and five yards. He was in the ninth round and they took another. They took I, excuse me took another running back in the twelfth round that year by the name of Elton. So? Yes. Elton feels he had. He had thirty one attempts for eighty seven. Wow that's that's a lot more than I would figure but I just Tony just watched the broncos game. So EHRENBERG was one of my guys that that he he got a lot of attention yet. So that's that's really cold Richard Ehrenberg and as you know, the most attempts was by levy on bell the most yards only only steelers rookie to ever rush will since the merger I stopped there because who wants to go that far back drank only uber's yeah to have over a thousand yards as a rookie was Franko hairs. Incredible what a great question I like it I don't want me think now made you think you trying to go a little bit too obscure to start and everything that you were you almost vis the obvious wanted. Mr. Naked. Get Rob I almost busted out of Sidney. Thornton and Greg Hawthorne. Let's see where was. Greg Hawthorne You ready for that Twenty eight carries one, hundred, twenty, three yards. So well, he didn't have to because he was a number one draft pick in nineteen, seventy nine. and. You had bleier in you head. Sidney Thornton was still there and you had Franko Harrison. So he didn't really get a lot of lot of carries. He had Rick Moser there to do you want follow up question? Yeah. Hit Me. Here's one how about rookie running backs the steelers since the merger there's only five of them that had more than two touchdowns war more than two rushing touchdown season. Okay. Are there any are on this list? Yes, there is one that's not on this list. So could you get the four that were on the list? Of course Levy Love Bell Eight. Were definitely going to. Take Tim Worley tomorrow head five. He was from list and Franko Course Franco at ten. And the one that was on my head that I was. It's on my head and I just can't write down who we had. So Bam, Bam. Bam had seven. There's only one steelers rookie that one other steelers rookie that had more than two rushing touchdowns as as a rookie. Gary. Russell. No is not gary. Russell you. Ready Frank Simmers your hit is. Baby next time you go to the grocery store if you can find him. Merrill Hunch. Come on who you Here Mike Collier my call your head three touchdowns rookie in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, five. Wasn't the I thought maybe. You're. There was a name like Jack Ham. No. You sorry, no. No because. My call you're actually you know. My son has worn his his super bowl ring. He put it on I told my son. That's great. That's fine. Next time you're super bowl ring you need or yourself. What a great thing to say at the time he was seven. Were all all four of pliers rings on my digits the picture. Yeah. I've got one with my dad wearing it but I lost a picture of great. That's great. So Brian, we're not going to do either or it's not the same without Jeff we're going to see him for next week. We're going to wrap it up here tonight. Anything else you gotta say that you want the podcast rundown? Yes. So coming up tomorrow, it's you guys have been asking for this in everybody loves the Canadian wonder. The kid and he told me this yesterday. He was apologizing to me yesterday about something else again I'm like. Well, you stop apologizing he's like I'm Canadian. It's my my nature. I, wake up in the morning. Sorry. I wake up in the morning every day I prayed Wayne Gretzky and then I do my ten apologies and that is the funniest thing I've ever heard but so everybody's been saying let's have the live. Mike let's have a solo Mike Beck show. And we've got the Solo Mike Beck show coming up again another edition of the live Mike and Mike was around before it had to are skipper on before it had He had chased Klay Poe. He's had some steeler fans but this is a show that he is going to be doing youtube show again and it's going to be pretty exciting then on. Saturday. One of the fan favorites here at bt Ese. Is One Anthony Duffy? which everybody loves Tony and I was told him the other day because he he won't believe his. He has no ego whatsoever. People don't understand that about Tony he has absolutely no ego and like. The live Chat Tony they would stab somebody in the throat for you as like what I'm like yes, they love you. And I was trying to explain that till and he's so. Still was brunch with Tony coming up on Saturday. Then you have my insane ramblings and that's going to be tales from two a M. now they're like I've talked about my family I have talked about. Your favorite games I've been so many different things that I've talked about on the show this week it's called. It's nice to meet you. But signed my crap and the reason it's called that is it's how. I'm going to be talking about tales of steelers that I've met and I've met a lot over the years and how we need to treat them when you meet them like. People don't don't tell them how much they've killed your fantasy team. You know they don't WanNa hear that so. That's going to be the crux of the show on Monday. It's going to be bad once again with my good friend Tony and we're going to be doing steelers QNA. Tuesday. On the AM show it's going to be the steelers retro show which we talked about earlier in the Houston game from nineteen eighty nine. 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Let's Ride: Predicting the Steelers 53-man roster heading into Training Camp

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Let's Ride: Predicting the Steelers 53-man roster heading into Training Camp

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That's great not hating on it at that for all at all but my gosh she got listen to all of our shows on our audio platform so that you don't miss anything that's my. Let's ride. Podcast monday wednesday friday. Dave scofield's dad geek on thursday michael beck's at the deputy editor behind the curtain. His live mike on tuesday afternoon shows which mondays the hangover. Tuesday's scarborough show. Wednesday is the curtain call thursdays. The preview friday with tony. His six pack. And then saturday's the touchdown under sundays two. Am and then we have all these new shows. Debut in which i'm excited for. You should be excited for the war room with mattie perils going to continue. We're going to bring in the steelers fantasy fix with jeremy bets. We're going to be bringing in the ohioans to talk about the steelers power half hour. We're gonna be talking about what wins talking. About and jeffrey benedict is actually going to do a solo show. Talking about the xs knows very exciting. But what i'm really excited about is a is a rumor that is swirling. It was started on sunday swirling around steeler nation. But i'm also excited to bring in a guest. This is something we did last year. This is something that we've done in the past. I'm bringing in editor. Dave scofield to join me with for this episode to talk about. We're predicting the fifty three man roster but we gotta get to these rumors. I personally bringing dave. What's up dave. How's it going. It's going all right. Jeff i'm just happy to be here to be heard. As part of the writer dai crew was one of those guys that listens to every podcast. Thank you very much. And i listened to all of yours. It's good stuff. If you never listen to dave staticky give it a listen. Eat trust me. I'm not a numbers guy. They hurt my head But still i find myself learning something. Every time i listened. Today's podcast last week. It was great talking about the pass rush. If you missed it go back and check it out for sure but dave. I want to ask these rumors. I i kind of tease there for a second. The rumor is and this is from jason lockenfora. Cbs sports take that for what it's worth. Okay very bad take never was where there are people that think this guy. He's an insider. He knows exactly what he's talking about what he's predicting or projecting and then there's others that say. This guy is a little out there. Here's what he said. Not what is said. Here's what he said verbatim from his tweet. Jason lockenfora official account quote steelers. Remain on the hunt for pass rush help. They had interest in justin houston but that does not appear to be a match. Will bring in. Melvin ingram for a visit this week and possibly others end quote n. Tweet there you go now. This article ran on behind the steel curtain. Monday morning at. Am if you haven't checked it out. Makes you do that. Dave when he heard this news when he saw this tweet because this went out on our slack channel. What was your thought. My thought was. I was hoping to get it. Confirmed from another source Honestly that was my first thought but no it's always nice to get more than one source but at the same time it's if someone's with one of the big national networks they generally aren't gonna put stuff out there that could that's going to be easily dismissed so it looks like this is going to be one of those things. This is where the steelers need. The most help mean they just from a number standpoint. Don't have many bodies at the outside linebacker position so they've got a little bit of wiggle room with the cap right now. Because of the whole david decastro release so might as well at least see. What's there now to see if now is the better time. Or if there's going to be other options when there's roster shutdowns well what is that calf number by the way. If you have a ballpark figure on the top of your head. How much space do they have. Oh gotta think about it because it's been a while since it's thirteen point something. I'm thinking. Thirteen point one is the actual cap number. But they're going to need at least nine nine and a half million for other things. It's funny because i. I like to explain it early in the off season that those other things you can work things later to make sure you have the money for those other things. You don't have to have that money in it. May you don't need the money for the practice squad in may you can still make their moves by then but now we're getting much closer and they have to do some other working of contracts and there's not a lot of options there so i'm just looking at if they if you look at the number that they're going to need come basically september first august thirty first august thirty first win. You'll have your fifty second fifty third player that counts then you'll be signing your practice squad on september first. Most likely things like that and the money that you have that you're gonna wanna taking the season you still got probably a no. It's at least three million probably close to three and a half million that they would still have other. You know enough to do all those other things and still have that much right now that they could use towards that. Or if you know you've even mentioned on your show about the whole bit megadeal for tj. What do you really want to do anything that ups his cap number for this year but if they had to a little bit they'd have some room but i'd much rather them spend that on another player like it seems like they are looking to possibly do if they can find the right. Now what do you think about the case that the rumor is is that justin houston. They they were in talks with him probably with his agent. Maybe it was. A schematic. didn't fits from a schematic standpoint. Maybe it was a number standpoint in terms of salary that he was going to be making. The steelers didn't have the money he was expecting. Or maybe it was the fact that he didn't think he's going to be playing enough nonetheless. Melvin ingram now is going to be coming into. Pittsburgh reportedly these reports people. But we're so gonna talk about it. Melvin ingram supposed to come to pittsburgh. Now and melvin. Ingram is a very good pass rusher when he can stay healthy. That's the big if if he can stay healthy when he's on the football field when he's available this guy's tornadoes he had a really bad hip a terror in ligament i think and his hip he's at a hamstring issued knocked him out in the past and then most reasonably Some more on a knee issues. I believe in twenty twenty that put him on the injured reserve twice. But still at dave. When you think about melvin ingram is he someone that maybe if he had a lesser role with the steelers. He's number three not required to be the number one or number two pass rusher. Is that beneficial to him. And do you think that could be a way to bring him in. Well it's really come down to what he's looking for. What is he willing to take this amount of money in this in this kind of role to where this is going to be the right fit that just to be on the team let alone schematically if it's something that he feels fits in there that to me. That's a whole different issue. But is he willing to come in knowing that he's not gonna be pegged to be a starter. I'm very fairly certain very ferry fairly. I guess that's a good way to say it or not that you know the steelers are not looking to have an you know someone who would even bump ahead of alex minutes unless there was a problem after scenes went on. You know. put that he's gonna come into camp d day one he's going to be that guy opposite at c. j. What so you've got to see if if increments that i mean that's not. It's not a big characteristic thing for the steelers to bring in someone you know. At his age he's thirty two. You know at this point of his career on a really on a big deal. It sounds more like a smaller contract. Possibly just one year. You know veteran minimum or or small two year to year. Deal where you can push some of the money into the second year things like that. It's just really interesting. I don't really know what they're going to do that. But i mean you say about. He had the injury struggles. Did have a four year stretch from twenty fifteen to two thousand eighteen where he didn't miss a game. Yeah it i mean so. It was early in his career and then it and then it was the last couple seasons where he struggled with that. So it really league is gonna come down to. Is he going to to be willing to do what the steelers want him for. That's what to me. That's that's the alternate thing right so we're going to spend it on a ton of time on this. That's not what the main crux of this podcast is all about. We're trying to get you ready for training. Camp if melvin ingram or someone else is a part of that but that's great if not worry we're going to plough ahead as if he's not we'll put it that way. And we are going to be predicting the fifty three man roster pre-training cabinet david. I've done this periodically throughout the off season. We did it before we and then we did it after the draft did it after free agency and here we go before training camp litho lead up. We're gonna go through. The offense and defense will do offense in the first break. I don't think there's as many questions in terms of the fifty three in the on the on the offensive side. That i could be wrong. And then we'll get a defense and special teams in the second half to round out the show. So dave. are you ready. I am ready all right so this this article will be running later in the week in will attach the podcast to it as well. But let's look at the quarterback position We all know the depth chart. Datum let you go first In who do you have making the fifty three men roster of the quarterback position. How many players in. Who are those players. Well i've. I've got the typical three quarterbacks and i have of course. Btr benjamin tundras burger mason. Rudolph is the number two. And i might not be the most popular opinion. But i have josh. Dobbs is my number three. Because that's who's going to be there until i see something otherwise to make me change my mind ends. It's what we're going to do here is. I'm gonna then say if. I agree with dave or disagree dave and in this case i do disagree with one of those players. I have rothlisburger. Rudolph is one too. I have dwane haskins making the team in. I know that. There's it's a very low risk Dwayne haskins we all know that but we know that joshua dobbs can play but we also know that joshua is a player that was traded last season so he wasn't even valued enough to keep him on the roster twain haskins e bring him in barring him completely falling flat on his face which could happen by the way in the preseason i think twain haskins makes the team. Maybe they trade joshua dobbs again. I'm not sure it depends on what else is out there but so we both have three players. You have dobbs. Let's go to running back dave. You have running back. i have them going with keeping. It's funny keeping quote unquote extra whether they even had more than this in the past. They've gone with this few three. I have them with four. I've got the the obvious nausea harris. I do have benny snell junior. Anthony mcfarland and jalen samuels. Because once again i i kind of put the kaelin balaj into the same boat as dwayne askins that he's going to have to knock somebody else out of there. I saw until. I can really see what he can do. I'm not a mud. Put that kind of expectations on. I have the same for megan a team. But i feel like one of the training camp battles that maybe no one's talking about too much because it's all about secondary stuff we're talking. Special teams. Players is jalen simmons versus ballad. Daniels has a connection with canada. We know their time at. Nc state dallas has was one of those players. do you take this for what it's worth but in during. Ta's enduring mandatory minicamp. He was the attention of reporters. Will one of the reasons was that the running back drills always done right below where the reporters were standing and watching them work out into. They had an up. Close personal look at balance in what he was able to do. Several writers were really high on balance. I could see him. Maybe making the team. I don't know if it's going to be an impact player. If he's even gonna helmet on game days does he play special teams. That's a big question. But i agree with david. I think those four harris snell mcfarland and of the ones that make the team fullback. Let's not even waste our time. Derek watts guy is going to win it and let's go to wide receiver. David you have a wide receiver. I've got the same five that they finished the year with an play. The entire season with last year of juice misused deontay johnson chase klay pool james washington and ray club. I have the same five and again like i said. I didn't think there was a there. Were many unless there's an injury and i don't even know who would even draft a wide receiver this year so i don't even know if they were to change anything you know. This guy's going to unseat. Ray mcleod who that guy would be. They don't have a ryan switzer type so in terms of wide receivers. I think this is the group. This is the group and it's just a matter of can they perform and can they stay healthy. Let's go to tight end. This is an interesting position here. Go ahead oh tight end i. I made a change from this earlier. I'm really torn. I think this could be one of the more interesting camp battles. I have them keeping three. I haven't been eric. Hebron pat fair move. At first i had kevin reiter now. I'm back to think it may be the wanna around with zach gentry again Mainly because i think raiders and easier to get on the practice squad. If you know what i mean but i think they could put they wanted to. They could even go with two here and put both those guys on the practice squad. So i'm going to be flip in those guys. Probably all preseason based on how they're playing originally with raider because he does offer special teams play so much so he played in the playoff game last year. But then the more out of. I'm like well. Zen gentry did lose his job because of injury and sealers are with. When when you get injured they don't like to lose. Lose your spot that's usually. Nc's it not between seasons right but so therefore you can flip a coin right now with either one of these guys really gonna come out of the preseason so i just wanted to at least make a change this time so i did go with zach gentry i had. I've had yvonne farm and gentry the entire time in my the you brought up good points about raider and special teams. I don't think they're going to need a ton of special teams help this season. I think you have a very really good Special teams players on the roster. A gentry why he was a drafted player. The organization does not to turn their back on players that they have drafted. You'd have to think long and hard about players were drafted earlier than the six round. That are jettisoned away. After a few seasons they normally give them every opportunity. Gingy didn't have much of that last season because of the knee injury. I think they're going to give him an opportunity to prove something. Maybe if he's just a blocker matt space. I'd be fine with that. I think gentry rounds out the three. And i do think they keep three at the tatum position. But let's go to the last position on the all the the offense of line. I think this is one where there could be a lot of. Change a of differences here. Dave who and. How many do you have making this roster. I have nine because you can dress eight. So that's one of the reasons. I think they'll they'll go with the extra guy to have the nine i went with the. Maybe i should say four presumed starters of banner of for dotson and turner now of course rather than david decastro. Then you've got the possible centers. I have bj finney and catcher green. Then i have two more tackles. Joe hegg and dan moore junior and then i wasn't sure if i should go with with the extra center or who i think is just a better player and i went better player and i went with rashad. Coward is last one in this is this is. You're gonna see this trend folks as you go through. All of these positions is at one. Dave doing this. It's rare that will agree on more than just one player. It's only that last player. We both agree. They're going to keep nine offensive. Line's important offensive line's thin. I took the player that can play multiple positions. Jc and our play center and guard. I'd have not heard the coward can play center. And i know that they would have to on the roster on dave's roster with finian green but still i think that they love their versatility. I have them keeping jay z. Ass now i could see them only keeping ate. I'd be shocked. But i could see them doing if they want to add a player. Somewhere else In that that that would again. I would shocked. But if that's the case then i think has now or cal will be the ones that were going And so there you have it so total on offense. We have the same number where keeping twenty five players on the offense side of the football. And i don't think there was many. I mean you could talk about gentry raider or you know dobbs and haskins or half an hour and coward. You're talking about death upon death upon death players. If dwayne haskins is called into action. it's because several got hurt ahead of him in the seasons in jeopardy anyway so keep that in mind folks. Because if you're listening to this way work in your yellen enter your yelling at your phone or your steering. Gosh these guys are idiots. Calm the end zone cages. Who could out. Hey we're going to get the defense and special teams really important special teams. That's talk about here We'll be right back right after this break. This is advertiser content from facebook high. Taylor i work at. Vox media and i found my dream couch from medan home. Thanks to a personalise out on instagram. So summer of two thousand eighteen. I moved from l. a. 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Small businesses on facebook and instagram visit facebook dot com slash support. Small business to learn more all right pittsburgh fans welcome back to the second segment of. Let's ride. I'm your host jeff. Arben senior editor behind the steel curtain dot com. Joining me today on this special monday. Podcast is dave scofield. We are in the midst of breaking down the fifty or i should say predicting not breaking down. Predicting the steelers fifty three man roster for the pre training camp addition. We've already gone through the offense heels. Lead fall asleep during that. So here we go to the defense. Let's get right into a day of the defensive line. Did they return everyone. But there's still some depth questions here who do you have and how many yeah this is. What's really tough. Because last year they kept seven for most of the season. And i could see them keeping seven but with the question marks that you have at various places in the secondary. If you wanna skip anywhere there. So i for now. I only have him gone with six. So you're talking about drafting a player and cutting down a player which means to people from last year would be the odd man out. So and. That's exactly what i have because i i don't think that the steelers were going to trade up trade into the fifth round because they didn't even move one of their picks from this year to get zeh allowed milk and not keep him on the team to try to develop them even if he'd never gets helmet because a lot of times. The only have five with a helmet on game day but other than louder milk. I have the obvious cam hayward steph onto a tyson aloe aloe and then i have. Chris warmly and carlos davis because he was the guy getting the snaps last year Getting getting the helmet in the playoff game getting on the field for defensive snaps in the playoff game Mondo got a helmet. But he only played special teams if they keep a seventh. I think it's him because a special teams. So i really think that there's a good chance that isaiah bugs might be the odd man out for short for this year. Yeah this is a position where sees me in the article i wrote. I said how i i could see them keeping bugs. But i just haven't figured out how they're gonna create that roster spot yet at this stage of the game and so i have hayward to italo Warmly i have carlos davis. This is a quick sidebar. The other night. I had a few minutes and i turn on my tv but brought up youtube. And i watched the latest standard which is a production by the pittsburgh steelers organization and it was the first. Ten minutes are just absolute gold. I would. I probably will watch again In that is where. Mike tomlin's miked up cam. Hayward's mic'ed up. It is just is really fun to watch. It was honestly. Carlos davis was the player that was going against cam hayward and they were just in terms of conditioning drills battling battling battling each other get off on the ball. I see that as this is the guy that's going to have a bigger role this year and isaiah bugs. I just see him. He was the one that was losing his helmet. At the end of the season he could be. I agree with you about louder milk. They're not gonna trade into the fifth round in are gonna make that and give up a fourth round draft capital and future. Nfl draft to not keep this player. It would be a disaster in every every sense of the word if they did that and then you look at even mondo has provided some value. I don't know if they're going to just stick with six. See them seven. We'll see but right now. We all agree that those of the players that we definitely think are going to get those six players. Let's go to outside linebacker edge. Pass rusher whatever you wanna call it. And how many you have and stay in there dave. I've got four. With what highsmith. Rochet and marsh. That could go to five if they bring someone else in or were they just added another one on or it would replace someone that's already there. I don't see anybody else on the roster. Now that could even push for one of those four spots i agree. Hey you in the article. That i wrote for the website that That we mentioned earlier in the show. When we talked about melvin ingram you know you talk about the depth chart. And you're looking at this does it. I think that that's it. That's literally it so for me. I think the only way this changes if they signed someone. And i didn't even have an old identify type that you're maybe he could push someone out nope. I don't see any of that so outside. Linebacker seems pretty. Set at four. They'd gone less than that. They've gone with three heading into a season But i don't think they're going to do that this year. We'll see let's go to inside linebacker davey yet all right. Well i got five here. And it's it's pretty much. The standard five of devon bush. Roberts vince williams buddy johnson and this is the one that if they decide to keep another outside linebacker because they signed one where you could see someone losing that spot in that fifth inside linebacker spot and. That's a big year for ulysses gobert third and he's been injured a lot. You know as you say. Hey he's got a lot of potential as you'd like to say potential means is. You just haven't done it yet and he hasn't really done it yet because of so many injuries. So if they don't change anything at the outside linebacker position think this is a spot where he could grab. But i could see that they would have to cut that if they need to keep somebody somewhere else you talk about where they could trim the fat and i'm not using that in terms of the position and imagine on the offensive line you know. He could trim the fat ferns. We're talking about cowered in or has an hour well you could say that neither unique you go. They create a spot here if they needed You know design an outside linebacker keep five. I had the same. Bush lane williams. John's those are locks. I do have you g. Three ulysses gobert the third making the team based on his athleticism and if he can stay healthy i think they value him as a special teams player as someone that could even be put into specific Sub package roles. I think they really like ulysses gilbert third. They drafted him for a reason. They've kept him around throttle these injuries but the the one thing that that he asked to do is stay healthy and it's not only him. It's those in front of him. Think about last season boy. Could they have used ulysses gilbert the third when devon bush was hurt and robert splaine was heard but guess what he was hurt too so they need to make that They need to get yuji three on the field. And i needed to stay on the field. If they wanna have him if he wants a an actual roster spot that's somewhat solidified. We'll put it that where i do want to fulfill the mention. That is kind of be battling there is. This is where we got to put marcus allen. Because they've they've moved him strictly to linebacker if he could possibly fit in there. Now i'm gonna tell you. I don't have mouse killebrew talking about him here because i have him other places. That's the same with me. I did the same thing and so this would be the spot. Where maybe you could. Maybe the battle is david. Let me know what you think about. This is alan in gilbert the third for this final inside linebacker spot. if exactly. that's what i actually had in the article was. I have it down between you. Three and marcus allen. If they keep five great you know. Just let zach like you said about the offensive line. If it's two guys you're not sure maybe they keep me in order to get a spot somewhere else. I think that they were there. They're kind of spooked from last season with the inside linebacker death. I feel like they're going to say the more the better We need that fifth guy and especially if they're trying to go with different sub packages this year. It'll be interesting as they try to figure out a way to replace you know not just a budget. Pre upfront patrols. Talking about that. Mike hilton hybrid role. We shall see we shall see. Let's go to cornerback next. Speaking of my killed near you have going. How many i. I've got my typical ten defensive backs. The question is how you going to divide them up between corner and safety and for now until something else emerges in and camp or during the preseason. i've got him split five and five. So i've got five corners and i did make a change recently. I on the very bottom on the very last one shouldn't say bottom but Joe haden camp sutton james pierre. Justin lane lusting. Jane got to say that right. The one change that i did was i changed out. Undrafted free agent Secure brown and put in arthur. Is it maleta mullet less. I mean it's even but he at least has some. nfl experience. He came over from the jets. I dunno they'll stick or not but he has as much chances any it's the last guy and sometimes you're going to change in and out that alaska and we're not gonna get it right. I mean i. I have i have to confess his here. I'm gonna pierre you solidly here. Cornerback when i was looking at last year's training camp confidential not only not have james pierre on the roster. I didn't even have him on the practice squad and i didn't even have him as one of the six sleepers to make the team. That's how far down. I had changed peer now. We did have someone who commented about jean-pierre in that article. I wish i could remember who it was. But it'd be. They did great and saw that early before training camp even started. But we could have somebody like that. And that's why we moved these guys around but you gotta love stories like jean-pierre and maybe there's someone else that's completely off our radar that sneaks in but for now i have it as arthur millette. I actually made the same exact change. I've hayden sutton pierre. I have my boy just in lane is making the team and just he can be critical of maize. Say tweeting about him. I guess So i have millette in and this is something that i've been big on molet since i read jeffrey benedict's film room breakdown of him. I was like i. I looked at it and i said man i. This guy brings some value both at the quarterback role in even safety. He's done both those in the national football league and no one wants to give any credit for that because of who he played for he played for the jets and they were awful. I think the could come in and actually help this team in fill in the role of mike hilton. If necessary in shaker brown could be a great prospect. And i think they're going to want to try to keep him in. Maybe he does bump someone off. We'll see like a great point dave. I didn't go back. And look. But i know i didn't even know who james peer was until private week. I dunno week sixteen last year. No i. He wasn't camp that he had a chance to then make a-team but before training camp started before they reported especially before any padded practices. It was like. I knew the name. Because i pretty much the name of everyone on the roster but it wasn't anyone that was on my radar one bit to possibly make the team and now he might be taking significant steps for the steelers in two thousand twenty one. He got a ton of pub will put it that way during mandatory minicamp he was. He was put in front of the media. That that's a big thing folks if you're put one in this day and age where they hand select who gets interviewed if they say. Hey james pierre we want to go in front the media that set to tell you something that you tell you something Let's go to another position. It's going to be very interesting. And that's why. I said you know the defense might need a little bit more time than the offense. I think there's more depth conversations on the defensive side of the ball. Let's go to safety. Dave got okay safety. What i've got the the to quote unquote starters in of course all pro fitzpatrick and then tarot edmonds who as of right now is going into the last year of his contract. So it'll be interesting to see how he plays this year. This is where i put mouse killebrew. They haven't listed as a linebacker on the roster. He's been listed the secondary guy his entire career mainly special teams guy and when he played the most in played. the best was when Steelers what is it assistant defensive coach or how resist. Whatever you wanna call it. Terro austin was the defensive coordinator detroit. That's when killebrew played his best football. So i see him more as a secondary guy. That's why put him here. But so it's patrick. Edmonds killebrew antoine books. Junior i put him in there. He's one of those guys. It could see snaps where he could not even make the team. He's a big wildcard. There and i made a change. I had lamont wave making it. As an undrafted free agent and then i decided to go ahead and change put seventh-round draft pick traynor would in there instead. So those are my five. Patrick edmonds killebrew brooks and norwood. See your changes bazeley. What i had didn't make any changes. I obviously fitzpatrick admins caliber. I have him make team even if he's just a special teams in depth piece. Think about a better jordan. Dangerfield antoine brooks a. He was another player who got a lot of talk. He didn't get in front of the media he might tomlin spoke about him. Mandatory minicamp saying he could have a bigger role this season. He was a drafted player. In twenty twenty in traynor. Would i still think the steelers loved him and we could actually have him in the cornerback discussion as well. I like what you said. Dave when were getting to the cornerback. She said i have them ten ten defensive backs making the team because some of these players malesherbes norwood They can play multiple positions so they could be technically on both of these depth charges. But still i like. I like that five that you have as well. So that's a total of twenty five on the defensive side of the ball. Do some very basic math than even jeff hartmann can do. That's fifty so that leaves us to specialists especial teams and this is normally something that we would just kinda who Here we go. Let's go over the three players. They're going to make the team. Maybe not so much this year you have make it from the specialists well as of right now camera candidate is really long snapper on the on the roster so true that's right i forgot is there. Is he a linebacker long snapper. That's what you've gotta ask. Tom and loves position versatility. Yes but he's been around for. I think this'll be his third camp so he's one of those guys that they liked to have around just in case but i don't think he's gonna knock candidate off the roster And then of course. It's not the they did. Bring in another kicker. But it's not he's not gonna knock off chris. Boswell unless there's a big problem it's mainly to keep boswell from having to kick too much through the preseason. And i have. I've got big press. I've got big press making it as at the punter over jordan berry and the biggest reason is if you go back in the history of the pittsburgh steelers. Drafting punters players. That were strictly punters. You know i'm not talking back in in nineteen thirty nine where you draft a guy. That's that's a half back a linebacker and upon her and the placekicker. I'm not talking that. But if you're drafting a guy that is a punter only upon her. They've never drafted. One did not kick every game of their rookie year. So for that reason. I think they go with the guy. They drafted so i obviously boswell. I agree with you. He's the guy he's going to be the player. That and i hope they give him kind of the ben roethlisberger treatment because he was had those nagging injuries last year. I think it was hip hip with kicker. That's a horrible injury to have. You don't want him to develop any those type of injuries in training camp. So boswell's the kicker candidates probably along sanford barring and injury in then presley. Harvard in the third. You know i remember. I joined the curtain call about three weeks ago now and they were talking about presley harbin. The third big presses. I call and thank thankfully. No one is picking up on Briny anthony davis is elvis. Je is horrible. it's what anyways big press. Because he's a big guy and he'd president a lot of weight if you check out what he did at georgia tech. I talked about how you know last year. We were all excited just me. I was excited when buried in. Make the team. They signed dustin colquitt. Anything in sweet here. We go and then he ends up coming coming back Personally harvard is going to have to play well. And i'll probably celebrate if he's still the partner at the second half so after the second half of the season if presley harvard is still the punter. Maybe that's when i will celebrate and i'll do a little diddy or something like that on the show for all those out there my writer dai crews had been wanting to hear me mates. They always. I always talk about all right as song and i'll sing song. Maybe i'll do a song. Is you have jeff. Would you look at some of the longest averages for the season in punting have been in recent years with jordan berry being the owner. I do not have a problem with jordan. Berry i do i. I have a problem with the inconsistency. It's not that he can't punt. Well it's just that he doesn't always punt well and i understand that and an honestly the biggest thing that i like with the steelers is if they see that their weaker and they could get better that. They're not afraid to do what they need to do to get better. And last year after dusted cocaine the steelers realized they could get better at punting by bringing jordan barry back and they did. I just want them to be good at it. I don't care who it is. I don't have a problem with anyone like you do. I just want them to be good at. And now you're right you're right. I have a problem with barry even sure what it is. I i absorbed that narrative. Now you can't you can't you can't backtrack on that. I'm i'm i'm way in the deep end to this thing. There's no backing out. So all right so there. You have it folks. That's our prediction for this 53-man roster we know we're going to be wrong but it's just fun to go through it. If you want to communicate with us you can find us on twitter. I am at j hartman h. Ertms underscore pat can find him at s. t. l. Superfan dad follow us. You can talk about this if you don't wanna do twitter a lot of people like i'm not doing i'm not tweeting or anything. Go to behind the steel curtain dot com. Find the article For the podcast. You can comment. I always check those articles that there's comments and we can have a good long discussion about who does and does not make this team according to predictions so dave any final thoughts of recall the show. Yeah i'm just. I'm ready to be wrong. I'm i'm ready to make this to start making these judgments based on current data. I'm ready to for the steelers to get into camp here about what's going on what's going on and more importantly get into that hall of fame game and seeing some of these guys out there they're going to be fighting to make the team and guys fight to make the practice squad now. I love it. I love that part of the roster. I wanna see what these players can do. Some people. Don't wanna tune in. Because the ben roethlisberger tj water or or. Mika fitzpatrick aren't gonna be playing. You know what that's fine with me. I wanna see these guys that are going to be battling out for these spots and these practice squad positions and i wanna see what they're going to do so i can't wait to get new data absolutely. It's going to be here before you know. It makes you join me on tuesday night on the spotify green map that is free for ios and android users. I'll be going live. Typically around seven thirty eight o'clock pm. Eastern time. I love to hear from you. Make sure you join me in the meantime folks. That's a wrap for this show. You know how he finished it out be safe be kind and god bless have a great rest of your monday and i will see back dare wednesday buried support for this episode comes from foreword. Most people go to the doctor for the one offs like rashes and colds. And your annual flu shot but doctors can do more. That's why you need forward. 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2019 NFL Draft: Steelers finish strong on Day 3 of the draft

Behind the Steel Curtain

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2019 NFL Draft: Steelers finish strong on Day 3 of the draft

"Pittsburgh Steeler fans. What is up it's Jeff hardman editor of behind the steel curtain dot com. And it's over the two thousand nineteen NFL draft at least for the Pittsburgh Steelers. I think there are still being sid. There's some pick still being made as the time of this recording. But at the same time the Steelers have picked they're done. Their seventh round is complete Mike Tomlin and Kevin Colbert had had their post draft press conference. The only thing that's left. Now is those sign eight to ten undrafted rookie free agents here in the coming hours. You'll have that information of this you'll curtain dot com. We already have the tracker and rumors mill up. So check that out if this that's something that you're curious, but the Steelers had a lot of selections on day three. And that's what we're going to talk about today after what most people not saying myself, not saying Dave's goldfield not saying Brian Davis. Some people thought day to was very underwhelming. I thought they rebounded and had a strong day three. We're going to talk about that. But first, let's get through all the picks that you might have missed in case. I understood. Day three of the draft can be really really difficult to stomach because it's long process rounds four through seven. So here's you the Steelers selected in the fourth round. They took Kentucky running back. Benny Snell junior power running back runs. The ball. Hard is very different than the other running backs on the current roster will talk about him tight end Zach gentry from Michigan was their fifth round pick. Correct me if I'm wrong, but he looks like a Jesse James clone round six they had three draft picks. I take from northern Illinois Sutton Smith. He's an outside linebacker that can also transition to inside a little bit underweight, but still he's a high guy. I love saying that he's a high motor guy. The second six round pick is Ahah bugs defensive end or defensive tackle. Depending on how you want to word that from Alabama third round the third sixth round pick. Ulysses Gilbert, the third what a name linebacker from Akron, and they finished it out in round seven with a guard Derwin gray. They said he's very position flexible from the university of Maryland. So with that said, I welcomed Dave Scofield to the show. Dave it's over. What are your thoughts on day three day three? This is quite a long process. I mean, even the Steelers by round six felt that they needed to take a big Pooh. I was gonna say something that is the nickname of the Alabama line. That's not. Yeah. Okay. Go continue. Please. That's that's the Brian mail bag. Spending way too much time together. Yes. Other than that about the only other thing that I could say is I felt like I was a senior in high school again. Brian understand this because I I was getting flashbacks to to the British are and be artists. Mark Morrison and his infamous one hit wonder return of the Mack. That's a great song. With tune. Yes. It was you know, to see that the Steelers going over all three well, especially yesterday today going with three players out of the MAC. That's pretty that's pretty good. But, hey, if if you've got the right people there to find the talent go find it wherever it is. It doesn't matter where it comes from a kind of feels they need because let's be honest. The knack is very often overlooked conference in terms of of drafting and scouting maybe the Steelers just like when Bill Nunn senior went into the historically black colleges and started to draft there. He was kind of revolutionary. I'm not saying this is the only people that draft from the MAC conference. But they probably I had this would be something interesting. Dave is to take a look and see who drafted the most MAC players in the last few years. And I don't know how tough that would be. That's that by be a lot on your. But it's one of the things that comes through my head. So there you go. Brian davis. What do you think about daydream what very happy with the three one of my more favorite day threes of all time. I was going in the same direction as Dave but a little bit different. So for dinner tonight. It's not going to be healthy. I'm going to McDonald's. I'm gonna have a Big Mac, but when have ten of them because big ten and MAC seven players four from the big ten three from the MAC. So that's at ten big Macs for me, baby. Wow. Yeah. I guess I never thought of it that way, I guess in the especially in the states rounders kind of rapid fire getting an article ready. And then you gotta get next article ready because they have three picks around. Yeah. It's the big. It was crazy. How just seem to really be focused in on that one territory in the scouting department. Does have territories whoever scouted that that territory for the Pittsburgh Steelers? My goodness day. You just look at the overall scheme of. Where they pick these players from. They all came from the same area. All right. Let's go ahead. The only other thing is the alternative to that was two players from the SCC, and I do not want to be investigated by the SEC for anything. So I'm thinking that maybe that Big Mac is a better bet. I will say this that right now in the live chat, and you're watching live on YouTube. Currently you can head over to the live chat. We always have a great community there with a lot of good discussion. You know, most you were saying love the draft. While the draft were saying that we thought they three was great and someone says worst draft on paper in the last forty years. So there you go. I mean that's Pittsburgh Steelers for you that Steeler fan base. You can't EV can't please everyone. That's just the rule of thumb in terms of the black and gold fan base. Now, let's take a look at those players those day three players. I want to ask you guys, which player were you most excited about that? They drafted and why Brian we're going to start with you the side. Well, these actually two of them I'm actually excited about this whole draft some of them I weren't familiar with. So I went and looked them up. But that's the thing with day. Three anybody that gets angry about day? Three picks is because they just want Onate games. They want brand names. You know, if you wanna coke or you just want to call it doesn't matter. But when the cola is just as refreshing to you, then then you're fine. And they've picked some refreshing guys aren't exactly names, but there are some names here too. Because I was familiar going in with three of these names is Ahah bugs. I was familiar with with Benny snow junior who I absolutely love. And I was even familiar with the love child of Marcus Gilbert and the eighteenth president Ulysses s grant Ulysses Gobert, I familiar with that name as well. Brian. You do realize today is the birthday of our former president Ulysses s trans I was result building. Why do you know that Trey wingo tweeted it, okay? At least you didn't look that up on. No, no way. Jeff, and I were actually celebrating that. And we didn't invite you. Dave sorry, we apologize. But we have a big Ulysses s grant party later on this evening. So with that being said, no Benny snow junior. This guy's monster. How many touchdowns has he had forty eight in a three year career have a thousand yards over thousand yards as a freshman. He kept it going the thousand seventy one yard season or whatever it was was his worst season. He just kept topping it. This guy is a guy that is definitely going to be a good short yardage back. He's averaging about none of those seasons. Did he ever GE under five yards? A carry. I love with this guy could add to the mix. I mean, you have a pretty good mix right now with a a pass catcher. And and your franchise running back in Connor in the past catcher being a. The guy we got last year. Jalen samuels? So I'm loving this. I'm loving this pick a lot. But I've got to throw out. I love the Isaiah bugs picked to. I think that's good depth on the defense. You get a defensive lineman that Karl Dunbar knows all about once again. This was a good day three, and I could go on the other ones. But I'm gonna give you guys a chance and not just hog the, Mike. Okay. So Dave what player excited you when they made this election? Well, it's funny because they make the selection, and it takes me a little bit just to say. All right. I wanna make sure I know everything I do about this guy before I really. One form an opinion. Jeff gave me a really hard time. When I didn't do that yesterday. Check ESPN gotta check CBS. I'm not I don't trust the CBS is why you hate Dante Johnson because he's to thirty seven on there. I don't understand why you say that. I hate the day Johnson. I simply a question of did they need to take him here. Or could they have got him with the next pick and instantly? I am the biggest day Johnson hater and the worst BIC in the history of the NFL only because I asked a simple question. So. Sensitive. Dave getting. Just like Mr. burns from the Simpsons. With dave. And that's always been doing on are taxed on a the we've got to go all day. And I could see Dave's. I can't see his face, but I can see the steam coming out of his ears and save just like, I'm pressing buttons. Know, I gave the highest grade from yesterday's draft out of all three of us. I don't wanna hear it. But but but it's true. Dave hates Deontay Johnson. Yes. I mean. Yeah. I don't know what else to time there. I really liked the bugs pick. I thought that was to me that that was one of those picks of if they would have come out of this draft in wouldn't have drafted a defensive lineman. Maybe what to try to find depth as an undrafted free agent. I would have been fine with that. They didn't have to draft the defensive linemen in in my opinion. But they did because they had a really good one for what they got right there. I mean, he led Alabama in in Sachs's past year more than Quinton Williams. So I love that pick that picked was great. I pretty much like almost every pick. There. I wasn't the one that I had to warm up to the most was was the gentry pick the tight end out of Michigan. Because of how close they were to getting foster Moreau, but the raiders traded up or traded up in front of him to to grab him. I don't know if the Steelers taking them there or not they might have liked gentry better. We'll never know because I'm sure they're not gonna tell us. But I also like that when you get to the last pick. And you're like are they going to add an are they going to double dip it a position? What are they gonna do? They went offense of lineman. So once again, we have a seventh-round offense lineman with what they tell you about him is he's got good feet. We had that back in two thousand twelve with Kelvin Beecham. I'm not saying he's going to be a Kelvin Beecham. But once again, he's also a tackle or guard. They have a lot of position flexibility. I like everything about day three. Yeah. You guys bring up some really valid points. I'm going to go a different way. And it's not that. I disagree with you with Benny Snell. I don't disagree with you with bugs or during gray. I did think gentry was a little bit of a reach. But I think it was the best player available at the position of need at the time and try to pick he called her to reach. It's the worst pick of the NFL ever. I do. I mean, I I'm down at I hate the hate his guts. I mean, he looks just like Jesse James. He's probably slow as molasses on a cold day. So now. Six. Like, six eight and a half or a quarter. Think he's huge. Yeah. I mean, I want to see him now stand next to each other imaginable lining up next to each other to block. Oh, my. Although apparently, this guy really needs help with his blocking. Well. Jesse Jesse James? He's very rough around the edges. I said what did grumble now he's their best. He was their best tight end blocker last year. And he was used to be the worst one. Yeah, that's true. So we'll see the before we before the draft on Wednesday night last week. I did my Steelers my NFL draft wish lists, and I talked about with those three picks. I said they need to start targeting players that are really good special teams guys. And I think they did that you'll get Sutton Smith and Ulysses Gilbert if they can make the roster if they give show enough that they could be potential death pieces. Whether it's at outside linebacker inside linebacker, these two guys wrath, let enough each Sutton Smith is smaller he's to thirty three. It's Dave pointed out when he was drafted. But if he if these guys can be demons on special teams at the Steelers need that they're kick. Coverage teams are awful in my personal opinion. You all my disagree. But I think there's so much that they can improve upon it by getting guys. At our rookies getting guys that are athletes getting guys at are hungry that maybe that's the only time they see the field. That's where you gave players that are motivated, and they want to go out and make a play. Sometimes when you get those veterans out there. They're kinda just try not to get hurt on this play. You know because I still have to go play offense after to play defense. I liked Sutton Smith and Ulysses Gilbert for their potential, but really like them in terms of impact players for this season. So that's where I wanna stop for a second. Unless you ain't having to comment on what I just said. No, you know, what I think you hit it right on the head one more thing about Sutton Smith, though, the guy had fifteen sacks and twenty six and a half for loss tackles for a loss last year. I mean, that's actually pretty incredible. I know he did that in the MAC, but hey, I will take anybody with that kind of motor. And we've talked about undersized edge rushers before I knew one named deebo that was undersized. And I believe he came from the MAC, and I have no problem with that. Another thing about him too. Follow up is at the I'm pretty sure it was the senior bowl. He actually played some inside linebacker. So that's why there was a report that they drafted with inside linebacker, then it was taken back. He's going to start an outside linebacker, but they're going to let him play wherever they find that he can play. He's a sub package guy. He's it's the way the game has moving anyways. I mean, the guys that put their hand in the dirt on the outside and rush rush rush rush. Rush. 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So you take devilish out of the equation the rest of the picks they had eight other draft picks not counting Devin Bush around one. Who do you think has the biggest impact on this team this season between the rest of the players? I kind of feeling it's going to be clean. Either feeling it's going to be between two players doth on offense. But I could be wrong Dave will serve with you. Who'd he thinks have the biggest impact thank misty go. I want to be able to say it. I because I think it is without a doubt. They aren't they Johnson. I think he is a fantastic player to have the only thing. I question was did they have to take their the more that I found? I think the answer was. Yes, they did. I really like what he brings. I like the style of wide receiver years and because they're going to run so many wide receivers. It's going to be easy to get him on the field. So if isn't going to be a reverse situation where hopefully now juju is going to be drawing more attention, and it's going and he's going to be able to benefit from that. I think I think he's got an amazing ceiling. All right. What about you? Brian mighty think Justin lane now. Really? No. That's okay. But here's here's my thinking on that. Joe Hayden is the starter. And I want him to be the starter. But are you gonna get sixteen games out of them? And that's that's the guy you think about will. You get sixteen. Probably not on the other side of the ball. You have Steven Nelson. He's he's probably going do. Well, hold down the fort after that who do you really have at corner already burns, your really is already burns going to make the team camp Sutton, this guy if he comes in he was said to be possibly a plug and play type player now I had also heard that he's a project from some pundits. But it seems like he's more of an NFL ready player. And I think he might get an opportunity to to actually start and play because he has to because of injury. And I think he's that darn good now already burns. I don't think he's going to. I really don't think he's going to get many opportune. Ladies. And I think laying if he has a good camp. He's going to be the third guy. On the outside. At least I don't think he's out Mike Hilton the slaughter. Yeah. But what I say mixed guy in. He's okay. I think you're saying that that's interesting. I didn't think you we're going to go there because I think Benny Snell because let's look at the running back stable James CONNER has not played a full sixteen games late in his NFL career. Jalen Samuels has a very small sample size of success, very small. And so then you have Benny snow junior. And so in terms of him finding away on the field. I feel like he's going to have the quickest route because even Deontay Johnson. He's going to have to fight through a lot of veteran experienced players. Even James Washington is going to have a year under his belt a year in the offense. He's going to have a chance to really prove his worth. And even if he's in the slot. Ryan Switzer in with the team for a season you by Rogers been with the team since us drafted undrafted free agent out of Louisville. So he's going to have some competition. I think that for me Snell junior has a faster track to getting on the field. And that's the best way that you're actually going to make an impact is by. Getting on the field. Plus, I said this before they all have a different style. So James Connors that one cut downhill runner in. It's proven to be successful. We had a great year last year. He did have that high ankle sprain at the end of the season, which was really tough to see. You wanted him to stay healthy. See if he could really put up some huge numbers for the Steelers. And then you Jalen Samuels who's not really as hard of a runner, but he's so versatile great pass catching than Benny Snell junior. I was watching some highlights and some film with him today. My goodness that kid just wants to impose his will on anyone that gets in his way. And I liked that a lot. So I wanna go with Benny Snell junior. In terms of my pig to have the biggest impact in two thousand nineteen Dave you said you had a stack staticky question for us. Correct. Yeah. I mean, it's it's real simple. We've actually kind of touched on this recently. But I wanted to wait and see how the draft actually played out the Steelers took three players in the sixth round. They didn't have to they didn't use any of those picks anywhere else. When's the last time the Steelers drafted three players in around? Wasn't. It was the chief seventeen. Brian Vicki's wants to chime in. I'd like to go ahead and go for the steel here. And I'm going to go for. I believe it was two thousand twelve with Kelvin Beecham in that seventh round that would be correct when they tat in for a wide receiver from Colorado. I can't remember his name. I'm not sure, but they had a bunch Frank Webb was that his name Frank web lives now. And it's not a Frank Frank. That's what I. It's not Frank. It's oh my gosh. Oh now, I forgot his name. I like Frank better. You know? I don't know why just prefer Frank over. What is his name again? Brow? Brow? Take a world with routes Frank. It's frank. Okay. So here you go to the Steelers when you look back on the nine th picks that they had they ended up taking five on defense for on offense. And it's it's balances balances gift for an odd number. I'm looking at these picks. And here's a kind of a flip. You flip the script on the question. I just asked you guys before we did the stack key. And that was the biggest impact who do you think is the biggest risk of being cut in not making the team that we talked last night. And I'm preview shows about how the Steelers do not like to cut ties draft picks. It's very rare in fact in the in the Kevin Colbert era, and and we had that question last night. Correct. Dave. Dave us you there. Dave Dave Dave's versions anyways. Brian will go with you who do you think is the highest risk of getting cut this year in explain a little bit during gray. And the reason being is I think there there are a lot of incoming offensive lineman. You have a you have the big guy from LSU? That's always hurt number sixty four. I just I had his name on the top of my head. The tackle. Yeah. Gerald, Gerald hawk Hawkins. You have him possibly coming back. You have depth on than offense of land. I just don't think he cracks cracks a fifty three he might make the special teams or he just might not make it at all. I think you're gonna see eight of nine I'm get hats and stick with the team. It's going to be tough. I mean you look at the linebacker spots. I someone like Tyler Medicaid, which is really going to have to earn his spot in my opinion. Because let's be honest how a Medicaid which is nothing, but a special teams guy at this stage in his career. Correct. You've maybe that. Yeah. And that's that's all I never wanna see him on the field except for special teams. He's liability when he's on the field now. And we we definitely saw that when ear went down. We saw other times thousand eighteen he's there because he's a special teamer the same with the HP. I know HP does not have. A contract right now. But he was there for special teams only. Now, you brought to guys into young guys Sutton Smith and Ulysses Gilbert, the third and they're in there to go ahead and be young blood make the team make their make their hey on special teams. And I have a feeling they're going to have a possibility, you know, Smith has has the luxury of being an outside linebacker being coming in as an edge. Yo Gobert is is more of an inside linebacker. I believe if I'm not mistaken. So you know, they both they both have the chance to if they don't get hats. They're going to one of them's going to end up on the on the practice squad in less unless something happens that they get poached. But I think I think they have a really good opportunity to make this club. I think Drouin gray would be a great player to on the practice squad to learn for a year. Maybe a guy that could eventually fill in for someone like for Mon foster. He's at the end of his career. It would be great for him to learn other than that you list Gilbert is going to have an uphill battle. Even bugs is going to have an uphill battle and to to make the team not last year is kind of eye opening when they picked Frazier in the seventh round was like, yeah. I could see this guy Alabama kid dread. The coach knows him. He should be a kind of a shoe in and he didn't make the team. So you never know. He's late round picks. Now, everyone said in this is being talked about currently in our live chat about were the were the defense has been the concern the whole time, I've kind of doubled back and said, it's a concern still. But let's not forget that the offense has to replace fifteen touchdowns by TIMMY Brown. But still everyone's concerned about the defense. O'brien the draft is over. Do you think the Steelers have done enough on paper to kind of calm? The fan base is nerves when it comes to the defense. Oh, yes. Definitely. They they added a starter most likely endeavour Bush. He doesn't have to start. But they probably added him as a starter. You have Justin lane who is probably going to make the team over. I could see him edging his way up. Well, definitely over Brian Allen. I think we all agree that he's over Bryant. I mean, if he's I mean. There deeper and they're not just because of this draft. But because what they did in free agency. They said we have these specific needs when we talked about this yesterday, and they filled each and every one of them with place holders possibly before. They went into the draft. Now. Stephen Nelson's there for the long haul. He's not really a placeholder Barron. Po possibly is Moncrieff could be unless he unless he really seizes the day. So with that being said, they're adding when you add a Deontay Johnson, you're possibly just adding him as a fourth or fifth because you believed in the guy like James Washington to begin with. So now, they have a full stable of wide receivers. They have full stable of inside linebackers. They've a full stable of corners. The only thing they didn't address that. I wanted them to address Jeff is safety. And I was really hoping and the fourth round might have been a little bit different of Chauncey garner Johnson. We'll still there he went. He went earlier in that round to you went right away and that round to New Orleans. I'm wondering what would have happened if he would have been sitting there. But. I kinda wanted them to address safety, but you can't address them all it's just impossible to address everybody with you're looking for best player available, and they doubled up on something that has been weak and that said linebacker position. So they've strengthened all the way around. I mean they all game breakers. No. But the Pittsburgh Steelers were a puzzle piece team. They have always treated their franchise and personnel like a puzzle, and they bring in pieces of the puzzle that fit perfect, and I really think the scouting department. I think Tomlin I think Colbert, I think art to they did it, and they really had a sweet draft here. Now, you know, the the experts the so-called experts that are going to go ahead and put a great on the straffed are going to probably give them a b minus to a C because that's what they do. But you, and I know this team and as far as needs. I love what they did here. Jeff, I agree with you. And I'll tell you what you talk about safety. You knew a lot of people are forgetting about. I know you didn't I'm not sleeping on Marcus Allen because he's a guy that basically sat the entire season last year. So Kevin Colbert talks about a lot of time. Second year players. They still treat his rookies as an additional rookie. I view him that way, I think that there's no doubt my mind that Marcus Allen could be that athletic player that they want that they might have coveted in this draft. He is that player my opinion. But that's just me. I think the Marcus Allen someone that a lot of people are are just kind of forgetting about you agree or disagree. Everybody. I'm Neil Patel editor in chief of the verge. And this is the verge cast. I guess is the flagship podcast is the verge every week. We cover the latest Intech news and reviews. We took a critical look at what is going on now. 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I was trying to follow through my cell network to at least be able to hear what you guys could say YouTube. Yeah, I think all these guys have legitimate shot. At making the squad. I think there are some going to be some question marks of other people that aren't going to go. I think we misspoke last night when we talked about wide receiver. I think there's room. I don't think that Rogers Switzer is going to be pushed out just because this pick up because that would still even they would still be like six on the on the depth chart. My question is going into the season. Is there what which position group? Do you think would be hardest to recover from a major injury because of the not as much depth to somewhere else? Looking at it. I haven't seen. Just kind of tailoring this too. The team that we have the draft picks. I'm gonna say after the draft. I'm gonna go cornerback. Just because it outside cornerback. I just don't feel bad the death. And you don't want Justin lane to have to play. Although Bryan made a very strong case form earlier as a player that Kevin impact on the team. You don't want him to have to play. You want him to be able to sit to be able to mature to learn and to really kinda grow into his his own self as a professional. I feel like an you guys can disagree. And obviously if you're in position, but I'm gonna say cornerback what about you, Brian? What do you think? Well, you know, what I'm not feeling that way about running backs anymore. I'm feeling I you know, I feel you on the quarterback, and I agree with you. But I'm gonna go back to that safety position. Because I don't think they have not replaced Morgan Burnett because he was in there as a safety. Mark Barron is an inside linebacker considered right now. I just I just really think that if somebody goes down that's kind of that's kind of. You're weak or group now. Okay. What about you? Dave. What do you think I'm going with outside linebacker? I just I feel that if if they were like, for example, if if TJ watt or to or to miss any kind of time, I I don't know that they have quite two people to replace their that they do otherwise. Yeah. I all good points. I mean, they're not every position can be bolstered with incredible depth in the National Football League. You're going to have some places that are thinner than others. And we'll talk about that. And so here's what's coming up in terms of our programming tomorrow at some point during the day, Lance, and I will be on for the standard is a standard. And we'll recap things give our opinions Monday night. We've back to our usual schedule. It's where you have Brian and Tony on the Steelers hangover Tuesday will be lands is. Yeah, I said it will be published. And then obviously Wednesday's my Steelers. Bernie question followed by the Steelers preview, and we just keep the train rolling so gentlemen, it has been a labor of love this weekend. 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The War Room: What potential lies in veterans on the edge and an old rookie?

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The War Room: What potential lies in veterans on the edge and an old rookie?

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But if you make the championship game of course you've you wanna go all the way fizz. Several days will rooms which started out as captain Decapa rings of his sleigh. We were looking at you now. Much capital has had in the as free agents. That were different that we're going to bring in the free agents we're gonna lose and what that meant for the draw often and all those things. So then we transitioned is leading to the draft to being a lot more of a sharp focused on the drop. Sin that was the lady profiling players had a couple of we've previewed guzzling pat framers. 'cause like kendrick rain who talked to that and then since the draw talked a little bit about those draw peaks as well with them name for the steelers with nights comparisons very throughout the i've seen polls that because our would like to do a little bit more around that i've seen all comparing some droplets. Have you been working Content the next few will room so stay tuned to that. Kickoff chard to take care of love. This week i want to charity focusing on free agency syllabi now. A few days lost few weeks. We've we've given a highlight of some plays valuable cave positions on have you but this week i really wanted to look at the poss russia his age rushes that might be available for the pittsburgh steelers particularly of veteran place the more high end so we know that we've got guys like page a. Rotten obviously you know. Superstar may be the best player on the tain. We've got alex. Haas meets going into his second year. We've quincy very shy. We go to draw to dana anywhere. third-round pecan got him into seeks notable full raisin but at the same time really liked the idea of criteria shea. He was a number one. You're on steals Same make the team in the same time. The steals need proven players. You know we've got an. We've got really an awesome mix of veterans younger players. Coming through this pittsburgh steelers roster and it comes to the pass. Rush comes to address when it comes to the outside linebacker that needs to continue. Obviously we play three full so we look for bigger outside linebacker until matt edge rushes. And that's really the one on ferguson. Today i wanna fight with some five plays that is still available. Five reputable plays don wilson things in the nfl in careerist diet had veering twenty twenty performances as well so we'll go through the twenty performance and we'll go through. They career today performances. Well but as always q quick update on terms of the cap so currently in remember. We're only calculating over the cap. Does the top fifty players So this the displacement which is the gap between that and the top fifty three which up the salary cap push parker squads were have the top Cutter frightening on the steel is technically still have one point two million in cap space now if we take to the fifty year to the fifty three man in our survey unit is going to be. They're also does hovering on seven hundred eighty thousand dollars so you can contact two point one million off your monthly said this deal's Million skull contracts. I could still work dead. Scofield's talked a lot about steph onto it You know this offseason. Deputy a co editor today. The thing with to it is that he's under the old cbi games. He's money come from different pool there. What does that look like. That's challenges grow when you talk about few cheese if you extend him or have you chris. Boswell's another one again. We really want to extend that from nine. Eleven right now. I became too The saving there is no particularly a huge that you can sort of in a around that from that perspective given by celery sitting and then having to extend that out so this little too dumb but let's just assume the steelers you're gonna have roughly around that five million mark with different changes that they can make equally. This cuts your do we do. We think that a joe hyg is differently making a real stuff. Maybe he will. Maybe he warned cameron candidate. I've said throughout the season as hey someone we can cut and find a shape along snape. jalen samuels. I think he works within a mcenroe fence. The steelers think that cassius marsh. He's another guy that you could take almost a million off the can if we're looking at signs signing the ways that we're gonna talk three nail you can go away do that Edmonds ulysses gilbert there. Oh god you could soon find a couple of hundred thousand dollars with here. Ned verses other guards that might be cheaper new On the roster right now. They're outside that fifty one Zach gentry's another one of those players just lanes number one of those players. Well he's a rookie deal survive. Chris warmly the same thing that you know. The young gonna lose four hundred grand Find one point two million by bringing Sorry sorry to iran we. We'd eight one point. two million. These gained forms. Thousands doesn't mean that beneficial force To we don't really have tackled depth. I don't think they're gonna cut him if really wanted to you could Create some some cap spice. They're sending he was. You're not gonna really touch harrogate braun. That's not going to deliver anything for you. So you might try james washington identity. They'll do that. I think they wanna going and keep ben as many weapons as possible so with that being set up being the case. Let's look at some of these pas. hurt it. I pick so. I want people wanted to look at what nominee ingram justin houston. Olivia glennon everson griffen johnson. Now if you think about that. This implies day that you know they're pretty hot. Touted pilot place ugo caused it to be older everson griffen on just eve. Also guys like john simon The might be sitting there from a numbers perspective. Given that he's you know average pay per year contract is being which is a bit bit different some of the other guys in that space. The other thing too is that you know all these guys thirty plus So coming to the end today careers loss couple of years potentially there but we know the success of hadn't bring the in is all age russia's northern successively fernandez russia's year in the nfl as. Well that it you know. Once they get beyond thirty. This causes have had year almost hof this the saxophone career in the united states is so we should say from that perspective with the scots continued johnny. But let's shoot. They actually viable candidates. So let's go through twin twenty stats. Who always plays. And we'll come out with the layout later there or near the top of that. And then we'll look at the crease. Data's because obviously success is more than just one year. So twenty. twenty. Melvin ingram averaged pipe contract sixty-nine according to the cap and according to pro football reference he played thirty five percent of the snaps recording zero sacks. Ten tackles twelve quarterback pressures zero tackles for loss and five quarterback hits now believed that was seven games as well then just so. He was roughly an average pay per year of point. Five million. He played fifty nine snaps. Eight sacks eight tackles for loss. One forced fumble twelve quarterback kits to safeties. Twenty five tackles twenty five precious. Hey played Snaps their indianapolis and then alleviate van who we know played for the cleveland browns stadiums achilles now by only market really think he'd really actually you deal you know i'd love to go off to baker going off to the browns. He had an average pay per year salary. Million he bought seventy five percents naps nine sacks one full fumble three pasta fences. Thirty tackles twelve tackles for loss. In sixteen quarterback hits everson griffen. Hance six million in applying for dallas and it was a minnesota and he had sorry the lines and In the cowboys. I should say he had six sacks full pasta fence. Thirty three tackles seven tackles for loss. Twenty three precious in fourteen quarterback hits the simon who had an average pay a year to nine on his contract. He played the high snaps. His career lost year at sixty nine percent and united The use of of in the patriots. He had two sacks. Fifty three tackles four tackles for loss four quarterback heat since the same precious. So when look that you're probably listening the justin houston or olivier vernon lead that gordon. Particularly if you look to safeties from justin houston know when it comes to olympia. Then you're he's an extra sack. You know more quarterback hits number of all the purchase him. you know. there's a funeral pasta fences birth got one force fumble so they're pretty equal that but infamy. I'd go on white goodyear seventy absurd the snaps. Also i think whilst he's the same age of some of these guys he plays as if he's a young girl and i think one of backing that i of signals pressure on. Perhaps you offer to travel that. Perhaps that's one way he's comeback affected. Kelly's can you get in a shaper. I think he can so therefore wedding. We've got some ladies there via vaananen in just used then if we look at it from the perspective of some guys These guys from the corre- tonight c. Melvin ingram forty nine sacks. Three hundred and sixty tackles twenty cost. Defenses fourteen foals. Fumbles seventy tackles for loss. One hundred eight quarterback hits well. That's pretty cool. Justin houston ninety seven point five sacks four hundred fifty one tackles one hundred. Eighteen tackles for loss. One hundred and forty eight quarterback hits four interceptions full safeties daddy to cost defense the then five pasta events nine forced fumbles see three point five sacks three hundred ninety nine tackles eighty seven tackles for a loss hundred and fifty seven quarterback heats one safety everson griffen eighty point five six nine. Two three tackles for loss nine foals. Fumbles twenty. Pasta fences is three hundred. Eighty eight tackles one hundred. Nine quarterback hits nevelson griffin. We should say the rest of the bunch now daddy. Forms the marseille's jones song eleven pasta fence to fullest fumbles. Twenty one sacks children's simpson tackles two hundred twenty five tackles for loss. Fifty three quarterback hits so again in the race immonen to put john. Samis think he could be an interesting one to the pittsburgh steelers As you can see. He's not in. Obviously the papaya. Pack the reflect sex weiner. How will they. Those addresses get paid year. He's a bit of a different volga. So if you're gonna leave him out eventually burn raleigh. Sorry if you want to He's had eight season sci-fi in the league again. You're looking at just houston. You're looking at libya then looking everson griffin but you can sorta Done in a hastily coming into honoring to degrade Misled newsletter pot of his create. the question griffin fours. What are you gonna get out of nova. Ingram said some injuries. Know whether he's the right fit for the steelers unquestioned contain during bit more in a four three at the moment. So it's really adjusted. Houston horner minor. One of my colleagues bay. Tsa michael beck stoked about what you Probably is just houston organic libya moon. So if we can pay these requites. There's about a hundred of gap in solo tackles. There's know a thirty gap sack sack gap between the Just use number just Electra season end. Know he's played seven but he's quite seven gains the thirty four sacks differences. Just news noises. Doble fumbles of libyan vanden. He has ford wanting the sections. So when you I guess in terms of the games apply as well Justice zero point seven sacks game. Eleven zero point five they say number full fumbles per game session You know it's interesting there. you'll say guard. A playoff titles to scientists have been during the playoffs yet. Non quarterback suggested houston live only played one game in the playoffs backing twenty sixteen You know whereas justin hastens played eight games there Got associaton justin. Justin houston similar experience. But doesn't burn and have it be more on his lights and i think that's going to be the question. Pittsburgh steal anything game high. Her can bringing Experience edge russia. That's delivered something. He's going to be that the the black but equally you need a bit a cap through a few things you'll also get you wanna let rochet and hosni's work together and develop for me. The are considering bringing one of these guys. Any one of the five really. I mean i prefer seen griffin probiotic that makes us. It comes down to monitor monitoring. Johnson's called be more in the tank Even though he does not necessarily as proven. But if you think. Really cassius marsh pokemon king or the pok mon kenya. Jeff likes to call him with the accents. If we really think he's the one that's gonna be out tonight that difference. I think we've got to get realistic. He's not going to be that different. What having chico in that rotation did it wasn't helpful Did nothing dinnie. I did nothing. We let him go. I really think it's time for the pittsburgh. Steelers investment veteran. He the pressure of tj. What teacher playing for the pittsburgh steelers for a long time. We wanna feet. Tj what through seventeen games through a date playoff run. We going to get that pass rush. So he's You've got the twenty twenty performances. We know that led by just use We know those two was well when it comes to korea number so the leading that way as well. He can't consider that everson. Griffen had a few more seasons in lake basic thing so the pittsburgh steelers to consider as part of that or parliament building that squad going through white. She is into training camp as well but what they will have to say. Try to look at a couple of one of the. 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Titles it's all totally free and available at the ios apps store right now so go download it today. Locker room changing the way we talk sports back wounds steals war. I'm not greatly shirt the shard that puts you in the steelers warmer charlotte against you rock. Gets you thinking free agents. It gets you thinking race on kabc contracts. The works so before we kick off a couple of previous. That's my drops. Free agents steals boarding. I wanted to sort of look at how many players the left from the steelers racing decade of drops. Now you've been going on my This you may have heard a combination previous articles or even through Tomasz reminded now that we've signed a rookies now with through rookie minicamp analysis heading into the it Seventy five players involved in thinking. Who's left. sorry you will. The twenty twenty draft old seeks of architects their stone the resto twenty nine hundred seventy out nine picks stone and fact in dome guam do do in gray may still be on my my actually the five goss from the two thousand eighteen Straw close risk right out of eight twenty seventeen known from twenty six none from twenty fifteen and i guess this is what he's done. Since difference in terms of steals heating on early round picks as well as the territory white gauze composite figure option twenty fourteen. Now we've got one at the moment but could main shazia recruit shares. The could have been in there too and Sad you're in terms of what happened. They shazia. You've you've steph onto it you had. These are career high last year eleven sacks olsen play whereas the number of the euro was born love to it. Next one on the josie list. Sorry you're heartfully. We can keep him around for a bit longer. He's want me towards batting pot. You know the first half of the show your interns. The he's contracts based in to challenge that purposes intensive restructuring than twenty twenty change off. We've got one play. Williams take numbers you know in the six round pick. Two and seeks cotton brought back love her inventive h. e. in on the roster as a really glad that he's back in the game for the pittsburgh steelers then obviously go twenty twelve need but first round pick daring david decastro. Twenty eleven goals on one peak cameron. Heyward really look at this. It shows the difference of the pittsburgh. Steelers drafting a number one guy. He still got cameron heyward on the united from ten years. Go david decastro. Obviously there's listener jobs drawings you've got your ranch as obscene gesture you've kept toured in there with all spot depre- this offseason off to franchise tag in the fifth year options. Audience obviously didn't work out. We let him go. United states to those first round draft picks. Calm the only board in tj. Obviously he's still damn making all different than terrell edmonds as well devin bush junior. He's coming back raring guard for big season. Where he can really elevate the pittsburgh steelers and twenty twenty first round pick chase claypool here might as well abandon first round pick a fantastic performance from him he will always be viewed as the olsen quoting the second bill obviously nausea harris analogy harris a fish round pick from lucia anciently. How he can prove himself they say zain and beyond in your woman. Read this out you know. In in five seasons time success in time to obey their heartfully seven sudanese time hurt run fifth year options than in then we can work out it two or three deal and get them out of nausea harris before we can transitions not next. Fate chuck steele is back. Sit around that. Authorities have a look at a couple of k. Plays now one of the guys are really wanted to preview. his freekick bossy assures officers rehauled notes. Colon bossy there. 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Steelers Stat Geek: What will the narrative be after the Steelers top draft pick?

Behind the Steel Curtain

51:42 min | 1 year ago

Steelers Stat Geek: What will the narrative be after the Steelers top draft pick?

"Pittsburgh steeler fans welcome back to another episode of Steeler Stat. Geek coming at you once again is behind the Curtain Deputy Editor Dame Sto Field and joining me. My staple my rock is entrenched in this show. Thank goodness I have family time. It is my big brother rich. How's it going rich? I am your rock. You're talking you're my no. We're not going there. Yeah it doesn't matter whatness Ari. How are you snow no snow critique says wait a minute since the show last week yes yes yes right now no now we had some. I would call it a little bit of Hale earlier in the day My even not even piece is but it was definitely Hayley because it came in the thunderstorm. So Oh wow. Yeah so that was fun. I gotTA gotTA gotTa love this time of year when it comes to the weather got four five days of snow. Now they go well. I gotta ask the obvious question because I I know the answer but I want you to tell everybody else how you went about Thursday and Friday and Saturday. What what about on draft bring it would have been more excited for. I was bye. Bye Mom Dad's house earlier in dead than I actually. We're talking about a little bit and again I told him I said Hey. I said I'm just really looking forward to because we are not again but I constantly talk about here. I'm feeling that we're GONNA destroy life not pigeonholed into. We've got to draft. You know these positions not we can go for. Just what we consider be great players early on and That's where I feel. You Know Colbert has had songs. It's best drafts in those scenarios. So I'm feeling really really pumped about this draft even though we don't have that first round pick. Yeah well exactly. We've fitzpatrick that's exactly what coach Tomlin said. Yesterday and his time with the media he's even saying Mingka's our first round pick so he's so there's one of the best first round picks. The steelers had long time coach. Tom was watched the show and hurt us say that. Yeah Yeah so keep your but with no other pick. This has a chance to be. Potentially the steelers best second round pick. They've had for awhile now. They've had some good ones. They've really have the reason I'm Gonna I'm GonNa go to limb and say this is because when half the steelers been ever so ultra focused on the second round. I mean. They didn't even have one last year. They traded away. So that's that's what it is that what's going on. What did it say hi goodbye to West? He jumped into the live chat. Real quick at say that he can't stick around. I'm really sorry but really bummed. They're gonNA miss the next show. I'M GONNA go ahead and tell people now what we're doing in the next show. We're going to mock. I'll six picks to the steelers. That's what we're GONNA do. We're going to do it with your help in the live chat we're actually going to run through simulator. We're not just GONNA guess who we think's going to be there we're going to run amok simulator and let you guys help with the choices and we'll have to go with. Who's there so that's what we're GONNA do with the next show but for now we are all about this draft. We are excited about it. Two days away. I've got to say we've got our big draft show coming up now. I'm really bombed because we were months ago. A couple months ago we talked about doing an actual in person draft party here in Maryland in. It's funny Jeff Says Western Maryland. You're in western Maryland. We are further away from that What just earlier on the east. You're on the east end of one of these ness of what were the east. End of western Maryland. Yeah that's stand of western Maryland. You're a deer in the high end of western Maryland. You're up in the mountains so but so I saw back here. Captain Underpants made you you. You're not too far from me. I just realized that so we wanted to do this. This draft that we were going to do and then the world went crazy and now instead of people gathering in places and we're not going to get to watch the draft choices. Take a boat across the you know across the fountain. Is there in Vegas to the stage? Like they were supposed to do whatever they were announced. Instead were owner houses Even even the steelers personnel work in the draft. Even the you know I can say Roger Goodell's announcing it from his mom's basement from his basement. We're all stuck inside so we were just a little while ago saying that the the lions are setting up a whole our. It team in an RV outside the GM's house just to make sure things don't go the lion's well no no no no no no no. You GotTa understand who was head coach of the lines. That say hey. What was his last job? He was a defensive coordinator for that team up. North Greg Gay. So he knows that there is a potential for other teams to sabotage. So if anyone would know it would be him so he's just preparing for the worst so but we want to let you all know since we can't get together to do the the the draft party that some people even said that they would travel to come to where we're doing we're live. We are going to for behind the steel curtain. We're doing the super draft show this Thursday. It's going to start right around. Eight o'clock with a draft starts. Were going to stay on the whole top of the draft. Now we might end the show and start a new show every hour or so just for streaming sake but it would be one of those things that it would be like a minute. Most that we would off and right back with the next one you can tune into the draft or you can tune into us. We're probably going to like Jeff. Says he likes to break stuff early. 'cause you always know the pick you might pick two picks ahead if you follow the right people on twitter so we might have some spoilers. We would have some of the things going on. We're GONNA have a lot of fun and not only. Is it going to be a show? I'm deeming it a super show. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA have the normal Thursday crew of myself and Jeff Hartmann Brian. Anthony Davis we're going to get special appearances from Williams. We're GONNA get special appearances from Tony. We're going to get special appearances from the big Bro. Scotto rich are going to be joining us. Some Thursday We might even have some some other people from other places that might be. You know that. Have some insight into pick stopping in every once in a while. We're kind of. We're still working it out but I tell you what it's GonNa be fun. I've got a couple responsibilities. I HAVE. I'm doing some interactive stuff with the live chat that we're going to be doing some of draft related some of football related some of it more after Party esque. We'll see how it goes but that's what we got coming Thursday tonight show. We're going to talk about not even Friday. We're going to talk about Saturday. We're GONNA talk about Saturday morning now. The draft pick back up on Saturday until noon. But we're going we're going to talk about is what's that story going to be when you get up in the morning and you go and you check your news feed or something. What's the narrative going to be about the steelers top draft pick? And the way we're going to look at it is we're GONNA. We're GONNA use a little bit of what of an article that I did that. Publish this afternoon. The website it was one of those non time-sensitive thing so it was whenever it got around to coming out too but it is out where I did a completely updated roster for the Pittsburgh steelers going into the draft. All the players they have at the positions. This is what the God this what you could look act and let's see how it goes. We're GONNA look at that. We're going to look at those positions and say okay if the steelers draft this. What's the narrative going to be so before we do that we're going to go ahead and grab this grab us you protect. We protect coming in from Bradley. James Four ninety nine in the tip jar. Thank you Bradley that he wants to know what the possibilities that steelers could trade a player like an edmonds are helping to move up and gain picks the possibility of that. I would say it's possible because the steelers are gonNA move up at all. It would probably take a player because I don't think they have enough draft capital to do it. What do you think about that? As a probability rich small probably ten percent are under. I would say very small as well. Not that it's impossible and normally. I would be completely dismissive of that. Say That's just not the way the steelers do things but the steelers have done things a little bit differently recently. The steelers don't trade away. First round picks the beginning of the season for a player. The steelers don't trade up into the top ten of the draft very often and they've made some moves over the last year that I love. I think they'd be great moves. I just there's never any leaker these things going on. There's never any. Oh maybe they're in discussions these things that have hit us have been out of the blue. Well I mean a lot of people thought maybe the steelers trade up for Devon Bush but that was more like a fan thing it felt like. Is that really what the steelers are going to do? I mean I went to the movies to watch the premiere of of the of the last. Why can vendors movie? Because I had to because I'd had the tickets way beforehand and I'm like I got plenty of time because steelers they'll pick the twenty and what do you know I come out of there and have to zip home to do the podcast because right as I come out of the movie. The steelers traded up to the tenth spot. That's not what we expected. You know it was a dream for steelers fans but it was one that they didn't think was going to happen until it did. So do you think that's a fair assessment of how that went down last year? It really is and I mean I mentioned. I even wrote an article to help jeff out. He actually wrote. It was his article but I just threw some stuff into it for him and he gave me credit for it. About what would it take when you know when when Fitzpatrick was on the trading block? And I'm like if I was the steelers I would offer. It wasn't a I. I offered to like make some moves and multiple picks of moving around like saying. Hey if you WANNA if the steelers wanted to give up you know this that and the other thing and the steelers went even further for it. They went they went the first round pick. I never expect the steelers to do that for a player and they did so. They've done some crazy stuff so we can't say that's out of the realm of possibility. I just did say it's probably not likely to see them. Trade a player in move up really high. I don't know that there's that one player that they'd be worth going to get and that's why last year. That was a move that I was very happy to see but I really wasn't expecting it. However you know we talk about you know this year. The steelers not necessarily be locked being locked into having the draft the position we kind of were last year so after kind of. Nice to see instead of making a mistake of letting those those top two guys that they were really would've liked to have seen both those guys go off the board before they even get to that and it's like let's go ahead and move up. Make sure we get one. Let's get you get not just the position we need but the guy we want. That's what I appoint. I try to make it an article that I said if the steelers key on a position it spells disaster. You know the last you know not necessarily the last time but when you key in on a position you might get a great guy but you also might end up with Artie Burns situation. That was my article I say when it came to last year it wasn't about the steelers key on a position it was about them king on a player. The steelers would have keyed on a position. They would have waited and waited and then when both devons were gone they would've reached for an inside linebacker and the twentieth spot. Which would have been the wrong play at all. That would have been fixating on a position for going with the no matter. What so that. The player that we finally got wise in some of those places where we finished and said we want this position. But we only want in the first round. This guy this guy and we're going to have to move to get one of those guys. Yeah and that's the thing and it was almost. It was almost better if the steelers knew he was out of reach from where they were. Because I think in the years past they've had players that they thought would be available to them and then they weren't and then they had to go somewhere else. Where if the player they really wanted. Let's say the corner. Let's say they didn't think they had a corner that would get anywhere close to them in two thousand sixteen when drafted already burnt. Maybe they would have moved up to actually get them but when he went one spot right before them. The steelers go. Let's take the next one auburn's you know what I'm saying. So people think that's what happened with. Throw Edmonds. I still think it's too early to call that one because only been two years. Maybe we'll have a better idea if we could call the same thing with that one next year. A weather better idea. Let's just say I think they might have done that but the question is whether or not it. How bad it hurt them. Because like a you definitely don't want to juggle the actor And we we may be stressed out. We may be stretched Friedman's but we stretched for already burns. Yeah 'cause already burns was at least a first round projection. Edmonds wasn't even projected to go in the first round row so anyway that's that's a whole that's the thing there was some stuff in the live chat bring up but but we need to get rolling with this. Oh look we're going to look at the positions. Hey He's back he's back. I reached out to someone this week. Because we're using a donation from him for a giveaway on the website. There's an article in there about entering again. The two players you think the steelers will have with their first. Two draft picks regardless of where they are whether they trade up trade down. Take them where they are. If you pick the first one right you can win it. The second one is only a tiebreaker. If it comes to that and you can win a Nice Prize. That was that was donated to us from returning to the live chat. Who Haven't seen for a while and I was trying to see if he was in here sooner just if not just bring him up from one cree it gets. They were talking about letter. Four net and. He said that he can't stay healthy anymore. He's mentioned many games. James Connor so people that I don't get people could be so down on connor because of his injuries and then screamed they should bring in for net. You can't have it both ways with that one and I'm I'm kind of impartial to that. If it's low risk and everything else that's one thing people were talking about like a sixth round pick. Next year is what the jags willing to take for him. A conditional six next year. Which would be interesting. I think someone will do that. But Cre- nice to see you back. You have a nice he. We've got a nice prize. Thanks to you and we got a super sticker here for those that. Don't know that it's like a super chat. I clicked wrong. Thing Sarria from Dave Shipley two dollars into the into the tip jar so we wanna thank you very much. You guys can use that super chat feature anytime you want and we'll make sure that we address. Whatever you guys bring up. So looking at the steelers looking at the steelers roster they have seventy seven player. Signed right now so they can fit thirteen or fourteen without having to drop anyone between the draft and undrafted free agents. The reason I say thirteen or fourteen were a lot of us are assuming that Christian Scott Christian Scotland Williamson is still had international exemption which means they can carry a nine thousand first player on the roster. But I haven't seen that. They've officially announced that yet. Probably with everything else going on. It's just one of those things that the steelers might know. But it might not have been announced so whether it'd be ninety or ninety one they're right around there at seventy seven. Now here's what's crazy about their roster makeup with Iraq Ostra makeup. They have four specialist right now. They have one kicker one punter too long snappers. That's what they half but it's it's not a very even split like it normally is it's round. Maury forty two for each the stores have forty one players right now on offense and thirty two on defense so when we say it seems like the need more depth on defense that that's part of the reason why but we'll get to be a little bit already going to say steelers. Kicker Punter Long snapper first round now the narrative on that if they draft any of those positions are the steelers. Kevin Colbert has lost his mind. And and as soon as afterward about distanced needs seeks a mental health facility. Because there are no you're going to the nose positions I with the first pick which should be the second but right now a muscle going to compare this to what what the steelers kept initially on their fifty three man roster last year when they made their Mitchell cut down. So we start with quarterback. They kept three quarterbacks right. Now the steelers have five quarterbacks Ben Rothlisberger Mason Rudolph Devon Hodges Paxton Lynch J. T. Barrett. If the steelers take a quarterback with their first pick that they have in the draft. What's the narrative the next day? Do really asking me have anything. Us aid to say our answer. But I was going to give you chance. I the narrative from who the steelers. What are they saying? What are you from the fans and the media? What's what's everyone's GonNa say? The steelers drafted a quarterback big bend successor because they have to bend successor. There you go. I would say if they if they take a quarterback with their top pick. What that's telling us is that they really don't have the confidence in the rest of the room. And now they have a guy coming in after. Ben That's the story. That's the narrative so that's how that's how that works. Not that we're thinking this is what happens. We're doing this for every position. Here's another one we kind of gloss over. No sorry I got one ahead of myself. What if the steelers take a running back with their top? Pick a lot of people have projected them to do that. The steelers kept three running backs last year. Initially right now they have seven on their roster five of which had carries for the steelers last year so they have James Connor singles. Benny's now care. White Trey. Edmunds carries for the steelers last year. Also have Ralph Webb or Frank Web. Name Brian Favorite Guy. And they also have Darren Hall. Those two guys at spent time on the steelers practice bod last year. So let's say even go out on a limb and keep four. They're still cutting somebody that had carries forum last year before you know to get down to the fifty three if the steelers draft running back the narrative is narrative is is no compliment to the rest of the room coverage the rest of the concrete. Who Does the spell the most doom four is it James Connor next year? Meaning he's not gonNA be brought back. Which many people think? There's a good chance he's not going to. I think that's one narrative. Yeah IF SOMEBODY THIS YEAR. Is that early picked? You're not gonNA see Games Connor after his rookie deal. Yeah so then. What's IT say? Who does that really show a lack of confidence in? Is that a lot of confidence and Benny Snell. Is that a lack of confidence in jail. Samuels both I think it would spit. They wanted to meet or one of those guys can be the number one guy. Yeah yeah but I don't think they're going to answer. That question after one season was Snell as much as they would with two seasons. Samuels you understand what I'm saying. I mean there's if they only if they draft the guy in there with their top pick and they only keep three. Who are they keeping? I think it's got to be connor rookie and SNELL. I think you might not have Jalen Saint Louis. Anymore so dummying. I don't see them cutting James Connor especially with what? I can't remember general manager. Kevin Colbert said on Monday is we. We feel like we're like are running games getting revamped by having a healthy James Connor to start season right. That's what he said he's like when he was healthy in two thousand eighteen. He was a pro bowler. That was Colbert's works so they kind of left it open to say maybe we'll take running back. Maybe we won't so. I think the narrative is that they just don't have the confidence in the other guys and the narrative would be. Connor is playing his last year in the black with the black and gold. That's just me. It's funny because I kind of got into an argument. I don't know as much of an argument or discussion with someone on social media when they said about the void running back. I'm like there's a void at running back. Trust me coming from a person with a physics degree void. The devilish avoid is nothingness. You know the absence of something. They're not absence of of players. Running back they just might want upgrade them. A complete difference upgrade is different. There's not avoid. They're they're running running running back too crowded right now. They just might need to make it better. So that's that's interesting. It's I think how the steelers addressed the running back. Position in this draft is really going to tell us their thoughts which is what I'm looking for. A real quick fullback if the steelers drafted fullback with their top pick the narratives gaining for signing Derek. Yeah the narrative from the fans is the the steeler Drafting Board Idiots. So yeah yeah so. That's just another one of the things we don't have to worry about so moving on then. We have the draft wide receiver. The narrative will be what now? But while you think about it I'm GonNa tell everyone. Last year steelers only kept five wide receivers. Initially now. They ended up put six before the first game but it was five initially who they have signed right now. They have ten. They have ten receivers right now. They have Jude Yanti Johnson James Washington Dion Cain Ryan Switzer. Amara Quadri Henderson. Jamal custos Anthony Johnson and SII BLACK KNOL. So although they have plenty of bodies there. It's not that there's not room for someone to make the roster from that list. I got even if you only kept. The narrative is two things first of all another out there. You'll hear another outside weapon for Ben and the second thing will be here is C. You Mr Switzer Yeah Personally I think the only way the steelers the narrative would-be if the steelers take their top draft pick for a wide receiver. Even though it's in the second round what they're saying is this is number one if they're drafting someone or go to draft someone to be a number one draft doesn't mean it's this year but someone who they think will be the man eventually. They're not drafting someone. That's going to be that there. Max is their third best receiver. So I'm fairly certain. Skills are going to draft the receiver draft. They do just about every year. The only question is how high they take it. So THAT'S I. Yeah that's the thing that I really the other narrative I think lever with one of those third round pick makes more sense. Yeah yes I personally are you. One of the fourth round picks. And that's what we have one three and two forts. Yeah so yeah. I snag in the guy from from liberty in the in the mock draft later on I think the narrative really is if the steelers go wide receiver at forty nine. I don't think it's as much as the receivers as it's going to say. The steelers did everything they could to get bent all the weapons that season. That's really probably going to be more of the driving narrative than even what it says about the rest of the room so we have one more position on offense and that is tight end last year. The the steamers kept three and they were. They kept. They kept three. They have five of the roster right now on. That's not the last one. They have offensive. Line's still a really we. Don't yeah sorry. Sorry I know but who they have on the roster now is all players it were either on the team or on the practice squad last year other than their big free agent signing Vance McDonald Eric. Lebron's Zach Gentry Kevin Raider and Christian Scotland Williamson so if the steelers tight end with their top pick in this draft which is not a good tight end drafts. What's the narrative on those things that similar? What I sent for fullback. What are you thinking? You're wasting what you're you're wasting space. Yeah I mean this went from a position that a lot of people thought the steelers take their top pick to wonder like after signing Hebron nope I mean I think the narrative is if the steelers drafted tight end with their first round draft. Pick that of course. We know that meant that. The gentry experiment is done but I think that more or less I think the biggest would be the steelers. Do not have confidence in the health of their other tight ends because Donald. It's dinged up some Lebron's coming back from injury but really. I don't see that being being the case at all I. That's one of those positions would be shocked if they did so. Now we got offensive line. I didn't split it up in the guards and tackles and everything but I learn other stuff but offensive line. Last year. They kept nine which was one more than they than they usually keep. Because it kept Fred Johnson as an extra one not usually. Sometimes they've gone as low as eight but eight or nine is generally with the. Do they have thirteen right now? Penalty decastro Villanova filer. Szucs was new ski. Banner Derwin Gway. Who was drafted last year? Jc Hassen our finished the year On the active roster is the backup center or when Pouncey was hurt US game Brio on the practice squad. Ns season and then some guys from three guys from the xfl Jonky Noy Anthony Coyle and Jaren Jones. That's your offensive line room. If they draft an offensive lineman with their top pick. The narrative would be their draft that they were drafting counties or Villanueva's replacement. Okay you think there they would be drafting. The steelers look to the future to draft replacements for their aging line. I think that sounds pretty good. Read brought up something that people need to remember. Rican dress an extra ally and Game Davis Year to Mike. Tomlin mentioned that on Monday about it used to be. You didn't have a backup center you add. You needed a backup center that it had to play somewhere else or they could get a Jersey on game day. Now you can. You can dress an extra lineman what the reason I say. This is if is. If you're dressing eight offensive Lineman you can actually address. That will not count and another one so the steelers rather than having seven game day and actives to five because they're allowing you to dress two extra players this year as long as one of them is an eighth lineman. So and if you don't do I'm in you. Don't get the other one. The other thing that goes along with that is you could also move to players to the active roster from the practice squad who don't count against the fifty three man roster and then who can go back to the practice squad without going through waivers. There's a there's a number of times you can do that. I know it's at least twice. It might be three times. You can do that for someone for the same player throughout the season. Which makes it really nice if you need it. If you need someone off your practice squad to actually be your backup role for something. So that's some good stuff but yeah I would say that when it comes to offensive line that that would be the narrative that we would be drafting drafting for depth now and future starters for our aging line. Yup so that oh I had been watching the live chat but Do it to just. He can't get the super chat to work for some reason If a note deal would it make it your next comment and I'll I'll make sure I bring it up. So let's move to the defense. Let's move to the defense. Hopefully it does move pat for past deal with comment out so for it to G. Keep an eye out for me so when it when it comes to d start with the defensive line now there are some interesting stuff when it came to the defensive line when I'm when I'm getting stuff from steelers dot com and compiling stuff. They didn't have everybody that we from the xfl trying to get everything updated where they have guys list is interesting because the steelers signed to quote. Unquote xfl defensive linemen. That are actually kind of small and the one guy is basically the same sizes by decree so the question would be if he would actually be a defensive. Lineman will right now. He's listed defensive end on the website. So we're going to put him in the Linemen Group. So Scott remember that and I'll I'll name him and just a second but the steelers generally keep six defensive lineman. They've gone down with us five and dress them all but generally at six who they have our hayward to it Allah Walla Shea Tree mccullers Isaiah bugs. Chris Warmly Henry Montjeu and then to xfl guys cave. On Walker. Dwayne Hendricks Hendrix. Was the one who could possibly get bumped to an outside linebacker. It's hard to say but that's nine guys right there so the other thing that's interesting but like glanced just said he's a Dash Guy Hendrix's so that's just that's just how it goes. What was interesting was how they had these guys labeled under positions offensive line. They are a little bit off some of them. They just listed offensive lineman. Dave decastro actually was a guard but no one else was matt. Father of course was just offensive lineman but here they have defensive tackles defense events they only had one person listed and I was surprised they did as a nose tackle. I didn't think listen nose tackle. What's crazy is it was not Dan mccullers okay. They had somebody else listed as a nose. Tackle wanting me to guess. Now if you want to. But you don't have to wasn't bugsy it wasn't. It was really really which is funny because he's never really from what I understand. He's wasn't really classified as a nose tackle when the steelers made a trade for them like That's not that's not really a nose tackle. You know he's just he's going to be more of unlike maybe we'll use Allah waller down there and then and and put fill him more in the role that Allah was put on their website. It could be a mistake. It could be something else. They have him listed. Its nose tackle which is very interesting. So Oh dillwyn wanted to say he got from his mock simulator. Don't I'm not going to bring that up? I'm not going to bring that up. And here's why because for those of you. That might not have been here right when the show started our next show coming on after this one we are doing a mock draft simulator with you all where we're going to give you some choices and you guys are. GonNa GonNa vote autumn in the lab chat. So that's what we're doing for the next show so we'll see what they have. We'll see what's available when we go to do that. But the steelers drafted drafted defensive tackle. What's the narrative on on Saturday? Morning matters if what what kind of defensive tackle they take? Do you think it matters if it's someone who who appears to be able to play nose tackle. We'll we'll still look at it matter what fits listen to detangle. People will look at it and feel like they were trying to get a replacement for For Oh Jeez I was J von Hardware. Yeah thank you. That is my exact answers while we're if they drafted defensive tackle that's GonNa be the narrative the steelers using their top draft. Pick to replace. Jbl hargraves. That's that would be the narrative. I agree with. Let's excellent defensive lines funny I put together but split up the linebackers because they're so different. Here's where it gets crazy outside linebacker last year the steelers started off keeping five now. They didn't keep five all the way up the week. One because they kept to skipper then they let them go to bring in the extra wide receiver Johnny Holton. And then they couldn't get him back to the practice squad but they got him back eventually anyway. 'cause he's one of the four because they only have four. Tj Y but depre- all identify and choose our skipper. This is a question if the steelers draft a edge rusher. What's the narrative? The narrative is depth this year but duprey will be gone after his one year on the Franchise Tag. I one hundred percent agree if they draft their top pick is an edge rusher. They're saying the steelers they basically. I'm I don't think it would would say this article but I would basically they. They're they're draft. Pick would be to replace CICCHILLO. This season and do pre next season would be the role of that player. So if a lot of people say oh buds here for one year butts only here for one year. You might not want to wait till next year for that replacement because then you then you're locked into a position with your top pick like you've had to be in the past and you don't want that so. I would like to see them. Possibly if if the right players aired everything address that this year. I'm that's what I've projected at their top pick in my opinion and I think that's the narrative to me. There is a position if it doesn't happen. There's if it doesn't happen you can actually read something into it as well then. I start to wonder how negotiations are going with dupree and his agent on the back end of this. I agree I agree. That's GonNa tell us a lot because if they don't if they don't get an address edge rusher at all or not wanting to late to me. The answer is do their thinking. New Pre is going to be here longer Couple of names that I've seen thrown out there. Aqua new. 'B Says Terror Louis. No he say no because someone else brought him up. That's that's a pick that I've had in there. I know some people have have brought up Or Che. Whichever way you would say it from Michigan Either. Those guys were good. The reason I think Carol loses interesting he is an athletic freak. The biggest question with him as he did have some injury. History early on so you could you. You don't have to overwork him right away. A pick like that and then if you realize. Oh this guy. Isn't you know then. You know you have to address it next year or you find a diamond in the rough this year you get a gun around. The really should have been a first round pick. That's what I think is intriguing about him with Yuki. The the thing that's interesting about him is that he could. He's played both linebacker position. So that's that's interesting. But there's a lot of names air to throw out so but to me that's avoid. The steelers don't even have as many players as they kept the first time last year. So that's a little bit of avoid granted Hendrix could be another guy if they move them out of that position like said he's a dash guy what gets really interesting. You WanNa see. Avoid go inside. Linebacker will both last year and for the last several years the steelers have kept five on their initial fifty three man roster. They only have four. They've got four. They got Bush Williams. You G three and SPLAINE. That's it. Let me sum Yuji Three. I think he looked great in the preseason as a rookie but that was the pre season I thought he looked great on special teams and it seemed like he was an NFL caliber player. He just had. The steelers had three linebackers last year. He didn't get on the field now. He's number three and if someone goes down he's number two so is not about. You could say someone else would instantly move ahead of them if the steelers take an inside linebacker with their top pick in the NFL draft again. This season what's hilarious. I don't know that might be the toughest I've been thinking about that. One thing that it's really have an answer for although the St. They've got to address this position. The draft more in or in free agency immediately following the draft. They addressed this position tons of you. Don't like the narratives is easy. Yeah to me. If the steelers ticket inside linebacker with their top draft pick the narrative is steelers truly go best player available because I think the only reason they go on a draft a player there is if he's the obvious pick like one mock draft. I did had. They had Patrick Queen dropping all the way that pick. I'm like if he's there that'd be done for the steelers I'll take him so. I don't know that there's a. There's the right inside linebacker that's going to be right there. We'll see next show. Maybe there is when we go to our mock drafts are art and dwelt six picks for the steelers but the other narrative in in my opinion is the steelers needed to fill up that that spot on the roster or the steelers are looking beyond Vince. Williams. She's been around for awhile. You know steelers look to get more athletic at the linebacking position things like that. It really depends on the type linebacker they would take so Got To keep moving on so we can get the showdown and time to get to the next fun cornerback. We're GONNA quarterback safety last year. The steelers started off keeping six. I'm not sold on them. Keeping six the steelers. Keep ten defensive backs whether it's five and five or six and four last year. They did six and four because they didn't really have much at safety if they if they add a safety. That could change everything. I like the top five quarterbacks for the steelers right. Now it's beyond that you just got dash guys so because they have eight Hayden Elson Hilton Stuttered Lane. Then they have Alexander Myers who was on the practice squad while I think it was the price. He was futures contract guy. And then you have Brianna borders they just brought in. Who played a couple of games or he played. Multiple Games of Jackson. Lecture only actually dressed for one but he finished the season with the redskins and then they brought in someone else from the xfl on Aaron Springs. So they've got five main guys. GotTa Dash Guy. What do you think if the steelers draft the corner with their top draft pick? That's that's another one of those where somebody dropped down that they just couldn't couldn't resist honestly. Here's my narrative steelers. Take another shot on seeing if they can properly evaluate a corner in the NFL draft. The haven't had her best of luck. In the first few in the first couple rounds they really haven't. I've we always try to pick on Brian. Anthony Davis because he loved the Senkakus Golden Golden Sense. Send Quest Golsen pick. I say it wasn't a bad pick but to me. The player was a blessed because when a player doesn't take a snap you know even if it's unfortunate because of injury you have to kind of put it in a bus category because it didn't work out for you. It doesn't have anything that doesn't have. Even the player has to do without worked out for you. But I I. I'm not saying it's a bad pick because at the time it was a good pick. It's just what it was but yeah. My narrative is the steelers. Try take another shot at trying to get a quarterback at the top of the draft. So I think I think your friends would be leery of them taking one early on so let's finish it up everything here. Safety Safety Year. The steelers kept four right. Now have seven on the roster. They've got MINKA intro. Edmonds they got dangerfield and Marcus Allen. Who finished the season as the two? Backups Marcus Allen was only the last couple weeks of the season he was the practice squad otherwise than they have. I'm pretty sure these are all. Xfl guys one of them might have. No I'm pretty sure excel guys. John Battle trae Matthews Cairo Kennel. That you had safety. This is a position I would not be shocked at the steelers took with US top traffic. If the right guy was there right so what do we think if the steelers drafted safety at the top the NFL draft? I'm thinking that they're that they're saying being there to come out for me is that they're looking to what I want to make. Make a super secondary Kinda like you know. I mean really want to get back to like a return to to look like we're trying to build a secondary like we had back in the seventies. Yeah some people are saying they have no faith in. Edmonds love you Lance Lance set up. That's not what I think. The narrative is I think the narrative is if the steelers drafted safety depending on the type of safety. They take his tyrrell. Are they using? Are they looking to shift to route edmonds into the dime linebacker role? That's already happened. That's how I would expect it to play out. Yeah Yep you know what it was before I said I'm bringing this up. Kyle Smith said this if it shows up. It's lagging halo. Bromine is said quote steelers. Look for Playmaker Move Edmonds to Dine Backer. I think you know unless they're drafting. A safety that is that is a linebacker. A lot of people said the live chat. I've been big on it too with the steelers. Lotta people like a player. Like like a like a tanner muse. Who's a WHO's a was a safety in college but was projecting a possible even be linebacker in the NFL? One of those kind of a hybrid guys if they take a hybrid guy. Then maybe that's not what the what the narrative is then then then it's the narrative of steelers looking for the next Mark Baron as top of the NFL draft. You know what I'm saying. 'cause Barron was a safe the linebacker okay. It depends on the type of safety. They take either way so so. It's funny because I wanted to make sure he knew he said I like Edmonds. That was just. He said he will be that. Anyway I think big BRO is correct according to Lance so you might get the beat land on Thursday Right Mike. Talk in person with Lance. Yeah well I can talk in personnel. Everybody talks in person these days right over the computer so someone said about muses six hundred. That's actually where I took him in every draft that I talk so some people are saying about taking. They can't take the fifth. Steelers have won taking them in the fourth a little bit of a reach but who knows so. That's kind of what we looked at with the narratives of the different positions so in other words when we get that first draft pick the steelers on Friday. Assuming it's going to be on Friday. It really going to tell us what they think about certain things it really is. I mean aren't GonNa tell you what they think about people or the direction you see them going. That Arrow is not going to be spinning around quite so much. You know you're going to have an idea which direction is pointing that. Yeah Yeah and a lot of people think. It's the National Media. Figured it's quarterback other other ones are saying you need to be. It's got to be. Who was Rod Woodson? I saw the report today. Where Rod Woodson said steelers? GotTa gotta get someone on offense to have a playmaker for Ben. They've got they've got more holes in their defensive depth. You know if it's not a waste to take an edge rusher because it could be a replacement for depre- it's not a waste to take them inside linebacker because it could be a replacement for for Williams down the road. It's not a waste to take safety because it could be a more of a true safety and that kind of as a replacement to be that all the time safety from Edmonds there are things in the defense that could actually make them that. Almost make more sense right now. So it's it's going to be so interesting to figure it out so I just. We're going to get answers. We're going to get answers so you're ready to go ready. Do this mock draft of the next show. Let's do it so before we go. WanNa make sure he has no hang around. You'll get another notification notifications are turned on to jump into the live chat. We're going to. We're going to be running a mock draft where are going to make the picks? Well you are going to help us. Make the picks. Obviously we can't just let one person make it will try to get a consensus. And that's we're going to be doing but make sure more importantly you are liking the program. You know ex out your little message sting. Hit that like button. 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Steelers Training Camp Recap No. 10: Monday 8/31

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Steelers Training Camp Recap No. 10: Monday 8/31

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The Pittsburgh steelers along with all thirty two NFL franchises will have to cut their roster from eighty to fifty three one fell swoop just like that womb done. So we're entering the final stages of our time together these training camp recaps. Now, in case you missed the recap where I kind of explained what will happen during the season will let me tell you a little bit about that. A lot of people have enjoyed these recaps they felt they've been very valuable. For those that don't have time to read about everything that's going on at Heinz field in this awkward and Strange Twenty, twenty training camp they found that these podcasts short ten to fifteen minutes in length are just the thing for the first thing in the morning or if they listen to before bed depending on when they check it out they've really enjoyed them and we've had a really good response from him. So what I decided to do is to kind of turn. Our attention away from the recaps in the tournament to injury reports. So the steelers training camp recaps will essentially turn into the steelers injury report when the regular season rolls around. So with the Pittsburgh, steelers first game on Monday night football against the New York giants. That training camp recap will start on Thursday. I'll have on Thursday Friday the last on Saturday, it will give you an update also be kind of fantasy football driven as well in terms of players that you should be concerned about because they're on the injury report maybe you shouldn't start nate, you should start them. So these are not necessarily go away. The frequency will be toned down a little bit but ultimately, you'll still have me giving you some pretty vital information in short brief packages of that ten to fifteen minute range for your black and gold appetite. So nonetheless, Monday the Pittsburgh steelers were back at Heinz field and they were practicing before we get to practice like we always do. The Pittsburgh steelers. Had some players and coaches available via zoom as they do every single time they practice in I. was none other than inside linebacker coach in former steeler linebacker, Jerry ASCII he's a pit guys Pittsburgh guy I mean Pittsburgh Black and gold through and through and boy was he energetic in his zoom meeting? He talked a lot about some really important stuff. He talked about the progress of Illicit Gilbert the third say he really was happy with where he is but he realizes he has a long way to go before he can consider quality depth behind someone like Devin Bush or Vince Williams. He even talked about Marcus Allen, the safety third year safety out of Penn State. Is Marcus Allen, his meeting room and the inside linebackers, and he's been excited to having their. He was extremely exuberant is a good adjective to describe his attitude about Marcus Albania's does a lot to learn. But one thing you don't have to teach him is tackling Allen's always been considered a thumper. He's a guy that you put in the box Hey siebel hit ball basically see the ball carrier go get him. That's always been Marcus Allen's. Mo. So. No surprise more than happy to have him. Will he marcus Allen be able to take over that Mark Barron type role that hybrid role? That role that is you know linebacker slash safety. Lot yet to be decided there, but the seals are running out of time but I'll Savski was very happy with that. He was happy with Vince Williams calling the ultimate professional. He takes his job very serious was heaping praise on Devon Bush. He doesn't have a very large group this year if you haven't figured it out yet, it's Devon Bush Williams there's you're starting tandem, and then after that, it's Roberts splaine Yuji Three Ulysses Gilbert the third. and. After that is nothing. Nothing. So let's Jay. Ron Elliott. is considered an inside linebacker all of a sudden they're depth there inside linebacker is not very strong. So after all Sassy departed the Pittsburgh steelers then got to hear from debris and again hadn't heard from bud do pretty much this off season. He is still going with agreements process, which is his agent in his representation trying to get him as much money as they can during this franchise tag process. The steelers because the rules are the rules in the collective bargaining agreement said that day bud debris is a linebacker because he is a linebacker. And that one year linebacker and you are going to be franchise tagged you have X. amount of dollars that you're going to make. So in this case, it would be I think fifteen a little bit north of fifteen million for one season. That was the Ultimate Payout Ford debris in twenty twenty. But the grievance, the appre is making his at. He's thinking he's more of a defensive end. Then say a linebacker, what's the difference try about two million dollars and I know that some people might laugh at this two million dollars it's two million dollars in a league where Ryan. Shazier is the perfect example of what can change and the job the hat jillion dollars is two million dollars. So I don't blame debris for going after the money I. Think it's Smart Matt as well. What's the worst they say? No, you're going to still be a linebacker. Okay at least we tried. But debris. That nothing has been settled there. That's between he and his agent. He said, he realizes that there's a chance that this is last year in Pittsburgh and he wants to go out and play the best. He can for lotteries because there's a lot of money at stake in regards his next contract whether it's in Pittsburgh which I doubt it or somewhere else. So the Pittsburgh steelers with bud debris in he spoke about T. J. Watt spoke very highly of Alex highsmith and even a lead any saying that he won the coaching staff have all the trust in the world that Elijah Anyway. Alex highsmith could possibly step in and if tj water but debris need a break, they are going to be at a in anonymous beat. I found it strange not strange but a little odd that he never mentioned. TWOS are skipper. He just didn't even mention his name that could just be happenstance these players sometimes in these settings especially zoom anyone that's had a budget zoom calls or will meet calls you know awkward that can be nonetheless, he mentioned skipper but he did mention a dim gay and highsmith he says he's very, very much looking forward to this defense things it's going to be the best yet adding Pittsburgh steeler fans will hopefully see that in a little less than two weeks when these teams finally get on the field. So Sweden getting on the field, the steelers hit the field in Heinz field normal practice time wasn't evening practice. And the following players did not practice today David Decastro who did get an injury update on his lower body injury at mitalent is hopeful that he'll be back sooner than later it doesn't sound like a long-term injury but nonetheless. You just I will be fine if they just sat him. Okay. David. Decastro doesn't need to come back. Sit Him get healthy and we'll talk about we'll get ready for week one. That's me the same time. That's I'm just another catch Anthony McFarland, who I believe that a concussion the other day he was also out Cam candidate with a knee did not practice either some players that are still working their way back deontay Johnson was in pads Bryan Switzer for the first time in a couple couple practices was back yet injured his advancement. Back. Terrell, edmonds practice in some way, shape performance Chris warm lay continues to make to work his way back. How coach Tomlin also said after practice. Other than Switzerland warmly, window smallwood who also banged up he is working his way back and if you remember. Wendell smallwood was the one having hurt his shoulder a few weeks ago. So. With that said, the steelers report relatively healthy. There are no new injuries of note from practice on. Monday in. That is a really good thing especially with this being the final week of training camp today at practice, they did a lot of goal line situational ball, Mike, Tomlin says, these are significant areas play areas of play we need to focus on and. Work to be dominant in those. When you win those situations on offense, you get new sets downs or you're ringing up the scoreboard by seven on defense. When you win those downs, you get off the field and off the field where good defense has spent a good deal of time. It was good to sharpen the iron on the iron on his areas of emphasis today. Man What a Tom Online that is I'll read that again, it was good to sharpen the iron on the iron on those areas of emphasis who've practice notes provided by the steelers. Here's what they said from practice today on Monday the steelers started their competition period with a two minute drill where the offense had to go forty seven yards for a touchdown with one. Minute and twenty one seconds left on the clock though the first and second team offense score touchdowns Rothlisberger got off to a slow start us twelve plays before connecting juju Smith Schuster from three yards out rudolf needed nine plays before hooking up with chase capable for a three yard score. Smith Schuster caught a touchdown in the red zone later in practice clay also caught two. Passes for chunks of Yardage, and then the three yard touchdown pass from off during the two minute drill for the touchdown play pool when high over six foot two cornerback James Pierre in hooked his feet and downs. To complete the catch of the day, we've been hearing a lot of those from Cape Wholesale Far Devin Bush could have ended the two period seven. Plays into the drill when he dropped to pass at rothlisburger floated down the Middle Dismiss Schuster Tomlin kept bringing up the during the dirt duration of the drill Tom Yoda Bush two hands on that fifty five among other things probably not suitable for the written word. Bush. Responded in the next period by running thirty yards downfield for straps tight end kyle mark, way, and knocked. The ball away Ross targeted Smith Schuster four times. It's Miss Smith Schuster man easy for me to say caught all four in the hurry up offense Eric von continues to impress with his ability to shake linebackers safeties to get open. He got away from Ulysses Gilbert and then ran away from him for a long catch later, Iran Jute Marcus Allen during a coverage they. Got Himself Wide Open, we've been hearing Marcus Allen on the wrong end of these reports too. Often I'll tell you that this dealers receivers slash quarterbacks were really targeting Justin Lane throughout the practice James Washington beat him for a touchdown and grabbed a long ball late as first time for just in lanes name since he's been taken off the Kobe list a few weeks ago. Dion Cain had one of his best practices of camp catching a touchdown a couple of passes along the sidelines. Derek Wad worked his way back into the lineup mostly during the live goal line drill twice flex dot as a tight end. But Tomlin said this still considered the fullback position Tomlin is taken care of veterans who have practiced but none more than Joe Haden Steven Nelson at one point in practice Hayden was catching passes from the quarterbacks in the end Nelson was working on his foot work on the sidelines the steelers went lie. But their goal line drove for the first time. This camp in the biggest might have been MINKA. Fitzpatrick he was first in tackles against James, Connor and Benny Snell James Connor will quick in second goal attempt with an impressive jump cut that a lot of to get go untouched into the end zone. The Johnson and James Washington alternated place for strong periods with Rothlisberger in the second team scrimmage rookie Kevin Dotson, turned into solid showing after returning the practice last Friday for the live scrimmage that was datsuns I practice since injuring his knee. Camp on Monday Dotson needed one rep to knock. Rostov. But then went on a long winning streak during one on one drills Zach Gentry when against T. J. Watt any one drill and Tomlin build the matchup as big blue versus Wisconsin meaning gentry who went to Michigan Versus T. J. Watt who under Wisconsin. Gentry beat what on the release and the past. Tomlin complimented him on it saying, I see you big blue nice release in the same row. Alex highsmith knocked the ball away while covering gentry in defense went wild apparently unconcerned that he was pulling on. GENTRY's Jersey after a rocky start to practice antoine brooks rebounded with an interception on the pass intended for Trey Edmunds. And later in a team period, help string out and tackle Gareth why junior before the two final period, which were a team period the goal line in a seven on seven but debris ass to be matched up against Eric Iran. The pair had a fun rivalry throughout camp frequently go against each other in coverage shells Ryan Switzer Indiana. Johnson were used as punt returner. That's one of the more thorough reports we have seen yet so far I tried to campaign it's good to hear. So names that we haven't heard from its Marcus Allen seems to be on the wrong end of things more often than not just in lane didn't have a great practice. He's still a developing player, but we haven't heard his name very much at all. You heard Trey Edmunds name you heard Ryan, Switzer It's good to hear some of these names in since there's no preseason. We all know the coverage coming out of camp that we have to rely a lot on what the steelers producing that comes directly from the steelers public relations team. So I hope you enjoyed that. Training Camp Recap I'm sure they're going to practice tomorrow Tuesday in which case I will be back to that. In the meantime. Make sure you listen to all of the buying the Steel Curtain podcasts on our audio platforms anywhere where you're listening with spotify I. 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10:35 min | 6 months ago

Pittsburgh Steelers Fact or Fiction: Pittsburgh Steelers Fact or Fiction: Scorpions edition

"The donald today high shall have the quarter pounder with cheese extra muster nikola have a ten piece chicken mcnuggets into sites ranch please. The we've done this before meal. Get it at mcdonald's when he get to of your face for two six bucks limited time. Only prices and participation may vary single regular price. It's time to get back your fiction from behind the steel curtain dot com. My name is. Brian anthony davis. I'm your podcast producer and remember behind the steel curtain. The editorial side for all of your breaking pittsburgh steelers needs everything that you want you get from bt sc look. There's always so much talk about when it comes to the pittsburgh steelers especially this week with a retirement assistant coaching searches and an interesting addition at quarterback it reminds me of the biggest single for klaus mine and his epic german band. The scorpions remember the scorpions. Hey they're not just rocky like a hurricane they had a song called winds of change nineteen ninety. Listen to these lyrics. The world is closing in. Did you ever think that we could be so close like brothers. The futures in the air can feel it everywhere. I'm blowing with the wind of change and definitely there are plenty of winds of change in pittsburgh so there surely a lot to wonder about take a listen at some bold statements on this and so much more as we label them. As fact or fiction factor fiction number one fan should be concerned about the signing of dwayne haskins fiction. Hear me out on this definitely on the contrary in fact this is really a perfect signing for the pittsburgh steelers but fans are overreacting to the deal. It's not like they signed the former ohio state and washington football team quarterback to a long term deal. They're not trying to replace. Ben rothlisberger with him they brought him in on a futures contract. Most always futures contracts are minimum salary deals with little or no signing bonus usually players sign to future contracts going to be out just maybe camp bodies but every once in a while a team strikes gold here. They did it before with mike hilton. They signed him to a future deal in two thousand seventeen. He spent a couple weeks on the practice squad in december of two thousand sixteen but they brought him in. He became a great player for the steelers. Will that happen again. With dwayne haskins. Maybe probably not. But it doesn't matter schorr. The former first rounder and fifteenth overall pick underachieved. And he really earned a bad reputation for poor play and work ethic in his time in our nation's capital however everybody deserves a second chance and the steelers could be a good situation for haskins to turn things around his quarterback. Alex smith said it can just go ahead and eliminate the distractions. He's going to be fine. They can cut him very easily if this does not work out. Because it's a futures deal there's very little risk in there so much high reward if he finds a way to revitalize his career but once again the steelers did not bring him in to be the starting quarterback. He's not there to replace. Ben rothlisberger or mason rudolph in twenty twenty one. He's actually there to replace. Devlin hodges and duck was a four last year so really the ceiling might be. Qb three for him and if it works out it'll be fantastic if it doesn't well we wish him well in his future endeavors but not a bad signing whatsoever so don't freak out about this one fans factor fiction number two. The steelers offensive line is not going to go through the long rebuild. That most fans think is going to need to happen. We'll say fact on that when fans talked about the steelers offensive line getting older. They were not incorrect. They are long in the tooth at three spots. Alejandro villanueva david decastro. Marquees pouncey pounds. He said it'd be fifty fifty regarding season but he has a season left on his deal. I kinda bet that he's going to return. But the steelers will most likely draft their future at the center position that he's held down since two thousand ten. They're probably gonna do that in april but if he comes back that's a good thing to castro was reportedly hurt last season and what time left on his deal to he should be back as well. The return of these two will provide veteran leadership for transition for the entire season. So this will be a good thing because you can't completely overhaul it next year. I know everybody thinks these guys have to go but no there's a progression to it. The one guy that i do expect to go would be alejandro villanueva. His contract is up and speculation. Is running rampant. Actually that the thirty two year old blindside protector will not return next season to the steelers. And we'll possibly retire. Look if that happens. Hate to see it. Because i'm a big big al fan. But if he's looking at going i get it. If that happens. I would think that szucs okorafor will move over from the right side and zach banner. Should he be resigned. I really think they're going to resign him. After being injured against the new york giants in the first game of the season he is probably gonna get a one year deal. I know he doesn't have a contract right now but all signs point to him coming back. He even made a point to put on twitter. That was the best exit interview that he's ever had. These really excited for next season. So i think the writing is on the wall for zach. Banner remember zach. Banner is a fantastic run blocker in an interview with. He made a point to say that when he was at usc. Sam darnold was only sacked four times his entire career there. So that's a big thing as well. I would also think that kevin dotson would assume the right position so what you would have in my speculation. You would have pouncey back at center for one more year. You would have decastro there if he's feeling better and he's not hurt like a lot of people thought he was. That'd be really good to have him find at right guard and right tackle. You would have possibly banner. That's his natural position. You have chook says the left tackle and you would have kevin dotson at left guard. That's a good mix of young and old. That could be a very good offensive line for this team. That would mean that the draft could bring in some new life as well and the rebuild would not be as extreme as a lot of people would think factor fiction number three vance. Mcdonald's retirement creates a huge floyd fact and fiction. Vans mcdonald was a very valuable tight. End for the steelers since coming over in a trade before the start of the two thousand seventeen regular season from the san francisco forty niners although his stats weren't gotti. The vanimo was very valuable blocking tight end as well as a reliable receiver. Remember that steph. Form against tampa in week three. Whoa but because of the salary cap a lot of people thought number eighty nine was going to be a cap casualty anyways and it was going to be released. Vance was not given a lot of targets at twenty twenty but with eric ebron being more of a receiver than a blocker. He was definitely needed. The steelers are going to need to find a blocking specialist. If they don't think that kevin. Rader or zach. Gentry is the right player to fulfill that role so vance. Mcdonald's retirement does create a void but the steelers would have been the ones creating anyways if macdonald had not stepped away factor fiction number four. The steelers are not likely to hire a quarterbacks coach into thousand twenty one the steelers are not always head quarterback coaches when randy feet was promoted from that particular rank of position coach in two thousand eighteen. It was left vacant for two seasons however it proved to be a glaring mistake when ben rothlisberger went down with an injury in two thousand nineteen and young quarterbacks like mason rudolph and devon hodges could have definitely benefited from having that sort of mentor reports have surfaced that matt canada. The twenty twenty quarterbacks coach is still the front runner for the offensive coordinator post however because of the rooney rule. The steelers need interview minority candidates. But only have to do one. They've interviewed to we've seen in the past with this particular that a more suited candidate can't arise because of it and that happened in two thousand seven when mike tomlin was taken over russ grimm and can't wizened hunt to assume the steelers top job with hugh jackson and pep hamilton and the mix. Now the steelers could actually be interviewing for the next. Qb coach as two of the three mention could be getting a job out of it no matter who gets what the steelers cannot afford to have merely an offense coordinator without a quarterbacks coach factor fiction number five. Twenty twenty one. We'll be ben roethlisberger. Swansong with the pittsburgh steelers fact like it feels that way ben. Rothlisberger is a hall of fame quarterback statistically the greatest signal caller in the history of the black and gold but all careers. Have to come to an end. If you were not dealing with the salary cap situation then you could conceivably build your team around keeping number seven if both sides wanted to keep the party going. But that's not the nfl's way. Ben has essentially priced himself off of the team if he plays in two thousand and twenty one he's going to count forty one million dollars against the cap that could possibly be a quarter of the team's cap money. Ben cannot be reassigned to another deal. It just wouldn't work the steelers. Don't have to move on from ben this year even though it would save almost twenty million dollars of a cap hit but they can't go on much longer without greatly hindering the rest of the team's future so are we on point or are we way off base. That's factor fiction be short at checkout beat. Ese for all your pittsburgh. Steelers needs four factor fiction. My name is brian. anthony davis. Check us out each and every week.

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The Mike Tomlin Post-Game Press Conference Recap: Steelers 27 Jaguars 3

Behind the Steel Curtain

08:17 min | 8 months ago

The Mike Tomlin Post-Game Press Conference Recap: Steelers 27 Jaguars 3

"Cash your sports knowledge and spd play the free to play sports betting contest with a five hundred dollar weekly prize enter today at sp play dot com and be sure to use the promo code. Sp nation to get some bonus. Cash in your bankroll pittsburgh steeler fans and it's time once again for another coach. Tomlin post game press conference breakdown. Mike michael back. Deputy editor of behind the steel curtain dot com and. I'm here to chat with you today. About the steelers victory over the jacksonville. Jaguars kicking things off the top of the press conference coach. Tomlin mentioned that Everyone once again we're gonna get every team's best shot and that was something we saw again today out of jacksonville who started off quick tried to throw in some trick plays but the steelers were able to weather the storm coach almond also mentioned that the upcoming matchup with the baltimore. Ravens will be a hot kitchen as they are back in. Afc north play against those baltimore ravens on thursday night for thanksgiving. He also mentioned that there is a lot of work ahead of his team as they move forward in the year here He also broke down some injuries. He said zack. Gentry has a significant injury knee injury. Make that while. Everyone else was addressed as bumps and bruises one of the last questions. Coach tomlin was asked was about juju smith schuster that i will bring up now because it was on. His health related issue He he mentioned. Juju was not a serious injury and lumped him under the bumps and bruises as well as joe haden But he did say it. Being short week it could be a factor. Come game day More on the question period. Firstly on terrell edmonds who tune reception game coach tomlin was asked about his development and Coach tomlin basically mentioned edmonds has played a ton over his career so far he's logged at almost every single snap Since he's been drafted and he's been able to learn a ton from his availability over the years You're kind of seeing his development come Come altogether here now in this twenty twenty season which has been by far the best of edmonds career. Those two interceptions were first interception. Since his rookie season coach tomlin was then asked about the run game which was better today Which is exactly what coach tomlin said but it needs to be addressed more and there's more work ahead then asked on the steelers game plan And really about how the steel craft game plans each and every week based on their opponent coach tomlin kind of downplayed that but basically said the steelers have quality players and Depending on how many of them are healthy It really It really matters In that sense on how they're going to attack other teams as well as how other teams defend against. The steelers is usually where the ball is going to go. And that leads into the next question on diontae johnson having a big game of course going over one hundred yards. And i believe twelve receptions Coach tom i mentioned the jaguars. Were down. guys at corner They happen lose. More corner says this game went on And that that kind of limited the jaguars availability to play zone and they were forced to play more man coverage which allowed for volume catches. That person this week had to go to deontay johnson coach. Tomlin was also asked about the health of the team going into a short week. Basically brushed off saying it's just not something we can control it's When health factors come down the pipeline the teen just has to focus on who's available each and every week was gentry's injury Coach tom was asked about vance macdonald. Who's been on the covert reserve list for couple weeks now coach. Tom said he doesn't have an update. But will update us later. This week coach. Tom was again asked about slower. Starts which is kind of become a weekly thing in his press conference Coach tomlin basically says he doesn't expect opposition roll over for the pittsburgh steelers regardless of their record. Every game is sixty minutes. And that's what they intend to play weekend and week out coach. John was then asked Whether or not they feel out a rookie Having not played with someone such as j glutinous week whether or not they kind of limit their themselves defensively Or or if they just kind of ignore not knowing anything about the off. Opposing quarterback coach. Tom basically said they're going to unleash their defense on anyone. Regardless of the opponent it wouldn't matter if it's lamar jackson gluten today the steelers are going to come after opposing teams Coach sean was then asked about the keys to shutting down the jaguars in this game. He really kind of praised his own defense saying the guys played well. The guys play fast and the guys played hard combination of that limited the jaguars to only three points. Those points coming on their opening drive. The game shows a complete shutdown effort after that opening drive by the steelers defense not allowing a touchdown all day and nearly came away with a shutout victory moving on the press conference Coach tomlin was asked about whether or not there's more pressure on his team as they to win weaken week out now with ten victories on their backs through this season Coach tomlin laughed when he was asked by this question and proceeded to say there's pressure on his team or on this business really to win each and every game He claimed the the the pressure narrative is something that he blamed outside fodder and something for reporters to talk about during the week Coach tom was then asked about while the team was more successful in the run game and why they ran. More downhill runs as opposed to bouncing them. Outside with james conner like be seen in previous weeks coach tomlin pretty much russia's question office well saying they did what they had to do. And after zach. Gentry got hurt. Of course that changed the game plan but didn't affect What the way. The question was posed to him. Once again. coach tomlin was asked about the injuries to juju smith. Schuster who at one point to kind of clutches arm came off the field. Came back into the game Then after stepping on a flag was revealed to have a toe injury coach. Tom once again mentioned that. It's a short week so It could be it could affect his status for this game as well as joe haden. Who exited the game but would come back in the next drive. He was pulled again. Coach tomlin basically alluded to this short week Being the reason why hayden didn't finish the game even though he was able to go back in pointing to. It's a big time. Afc north opponent coming up the ravens of course lost their game in to the tennessee. Titans are now down to six and four and are on a losing skid. The steelers could nearly wrap up the afc north with the victory thursday night. Cleveland continues to win so they are now in second place of the division. It will be interesting to see how this week plays out of victory on thursday night would be huge for the steelers. That wraps up things for the mike. Tomlin post game press conference for week. Eleven the steeler ten. No go celebrate this game. We will see you guys. You're next week Before we sign out make sure checking out all the great breakdown over on behind still kern dot com for this game And then you can also check out some great preview on a short week on thanksgiving for the pittsburgh steelers matchup with the baltimore ravens at home in heinz field. That should be a great one. I'm michael back. Deputy editor behind steel curtain dot com. Thanks for tuning in. And we'll catch you in the next one. Today's show is brought to you by. 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Yeah, I Said It: The Steelers WR Training Camp battle goes beyond Antonio Browns lost production

Behind the Steel Curtain

13:00 min | 2 years ago

Yeah, I Said It: The Steelers WR Training Camp battle goes beyond Antonio Browns lost production

"Welcome back listeners to another episode of year. I said it and has always the program is hosted by yours. Truly Lance Williams before we jump into the program when it give a big shout out to my co host of the standard and standard, and the editor of behind still curtain dot com. Jeff Hartmann went to give a big shot out. Also to Bryant, Anthony Davis who's bad and I want to give a big shout out to the oracle of all Steeler, knowledge. Dave Scofield if you wanna download or subscribe to the program, make sure you check us out on apple podcast, Google podcasts, Spotify, and Stitcher. And also go to the website behind still curtain dot com. The best dealer website out there. We appreciate all the support that you have given us. And in this week's episode of year, I said it, I want to say the following replacing Antonio Brown will go beyond a simple training camp battle. Let me repeat that replacing Antonio Brown will go beyond a simple training can't battle. It's a little more complex when you break down the wide receiver position and the training camp battle in two thousand nineteen when you have to replace a player. Someone who was as productive as Antonio Brown. You're talking about replacing the production, but you also have to replace the snaps Antonio Brown, played about one thousand snaps last year, he played exactly nine hundred ninety eight snaps. But for this purpose, I'm just going to round it out to a thousand snaps. Overall the Steelers on offense played about eleven hundred close to twelve hundred snaps on offense. So you're talking about a majority of the offense of plays and snaps head Antonio Brown in some personnel, grouping now in this past Sunday show when we talked about the depth chart and offense on the standard standard, make sure you guys go check that out. And download last Sunday's program, we talked about what the Steelers are offense of -ly an overwhelmingly the Steelers most. Popular personnel grouping is eleven personnel. Simply that's three wide receivers rounding up some. They played in three wide receiver sets seventy percent of the time. So of course, Antonio Brown was was in that personnel grouping probably one hundred percent of the time the only time he wouldn't have been in that personnel grouping would have been in a Cincinnati bingo game or if he was getting a blow, or he was hurt. And we know you didn't plan at Cincinnati bingo game the last game of the season, so that's why he probably wouldn't have played again and one hundred percent of eleven personnel snaps. So what I should tell you right there is you have to you, you're going to have to replace seven hundred twenty eight snaps of AB in that personnel grouping by someone. In with the inclusion of Dante Moncrieff into the mix as a Pittsburgh Steelers. Deontay Johnson is well ally. Rogers coming back played a little bit in twenty eighteen coming back. You have about six guys that are going to have to be in the mixed sue to see who's going to be those three wide receivers. Now, we know juju was going to be one of them more than likely it's going to be Moncrieff in Washington as the other two wide receivers. So they're going to have to play probably in all those personnel groupings. So when you look at the personnel groupings to three wide receiver said, if you break those down James Washington, juju in AB plate in three hundred and twenty eight of those seven hundred twenty eight snaps. They played in fifty two percent of those snaps. So we're talking about a camp battle. The camp battle is. Is more of a battle in terms of who's going to play in which personnel, grouping more than likely the battle is going to revolve around, who's gonna play when it comes down to two wide receivers sets because an eleven personnel, which the Steelers are majority as a majority eleven personnel team. I think both of those guys are going to play. I think that's going to be your three wide receivers sit. You're probably gonna have juju Indus lot, and you're going to have Moncrieff in Washington as the x z juju will operate as the wide receiver or the slot receiver. So the camp battle is going to come down to who's going to be the two wide receivers or the one riot receiver opposite juju, when they go to any personnel grouping with two wide receivers because look at this breakdown with Washington ABM juju and I'm gonna give you these numbers and it may change. In some, although it does equal three eighty two because the titans may have been different. And so the way that the NFL list them, the personnel, the personnel grouping is the same, but the players inept personnel grouping are different. They ran fifty four snaps with Vance forty five with Jesse James in another allotment of personnel. But eleven personnel per eleven personnel, but different people in eleven personnel, forty one snaps thirty eight snaps. Thirty six thirty three twenty nine twenty six twenty three nineteen eighteen thirteen and seven so equal three hundred eighty two snaps to route up four hundred snaps. So the question is, when you get to twelve personnel and twenty two personnel. The Steelers ran twelve personnel one running back tight ends to wide receivers ten percent of the time last year, roughly ninety six plays they ran twenty two personnel. Two running backs two tight ends into wide receivers roughly six percent of the time or. Sixty plays. I'm going to round up for simple math. So we're talking about one hundred sixty snaps if you add one hundred sixty snaps to the seven hundred twenty eight snaps or seven hundred and thirty snaps of three wire receiver you're talking about close to a thousand snaps. So the can't battle is going to come down to. Who's going to be the wide receiver opposite of juju? When they play into wide receiver sets. And even if you were to I could get more granular with it. If I chose to, but you could take it down to another granular level and look at those personnel groupings and assess how many times they actually pass the ball as opposed to run the ball. So it might so you could make it even more granular. So will be fewer snaps as to when they pass out of those personnel. Groupings twelve at twenty two personnel who should be the wide receiver. Now, I, I mean, this is a lot of numbers. It's not Saana snaps you know, but it is close to sixteen percent of your offense of snap. So that's not a small chunk. It's not a great chunk, but it's not a small chunk either. So the battle will be there now also on that Sunday program, I talked about the three Ps pay production and pedigree. And how you can use the three Ps to determine who might get the chance or who might get the first chance to be that wide receiver in twelve or twenty two personnel, or when they run too wide receiver sets. If you look at pay neither one of the players, Moncrieff, or Washington are paid tremendously. It's not as if you're giving one guy, a huge chunk of your salary cap. So you're essentially obligated to play that player just on the just from pay perspective where you're paying a guy so much you can't bench the guy so you could scratch outpa- now. And in terms of production Moncrieff is never produced and never played in a Steeler offense. James Washington had an up and down season last year. But he does have production in the offense. He does know the offense and he does have a report with Ben Rothlisberger. And after Ben Rothlisberger called him out in season he did play better as the season progressed in play a lot better later in the season. So when you look at that p in terms of production, I think he's firmly in the lead over Mont. Krief given a fact largely because Moncrieff did not play for the Steelers last year. And in terms of pedigree. I think the Steelers because Washington was the second round draft pick will want to give Washington. The crack. More so than Moncrieff as starter into wide receivers sex, because as we've illustrators I've illustrated into pot and Wheeler straighted on Sunday in the pot. The Steelers want so much three wide receiver sets that Moncrieff will play a tremendous amount of snaps even if he doesn't play into why receiver schnaps or two wide receiver personnel grouping, excuse me, not snaps. So you could satisfy. Bringing him in as a receiver because you will play him a lot in that personnel grouping because it's run a ton. And even if you didn't want to run Moncrieff exclusively as the third wide receiver and three wide receiver sets you still have the flexibility to interchange with ally Rogers or Switzer and bring him off the field as well. Or bring Washington off the field. So either wash to 'em. Moncrieff could still be a part of a three wide receiver set alignment. So, because you run a producer a majority of three wide receiver sets Moncrieff is gonna play a ton of snaps. So as Washington, I think, Washington will beat the starting wide receiver, and too wide receiver sets largely because of pedigree, because he was a second round draft pick and because of production and because of his familiarity with the offense, I think he will get the crack I to do it. He will have to produce. Because when you bring in a free agent at a wide receiver position after you just draft the position it does say that the Steelers want more production out of the position because had Washington went out and bald last year. I wouldn't be doing a podcast about it, and there would be no question. And the Steelers would not draft the position as well with the anti Johnson and bring in a free agent wide receiver. They will give Washington. The initial crack at being the starter into wide receiver sets. But going back to the original question, replacing AB will go beyond a simple training camp battle. It's more so a personnel grouping battle because of player that play that many snaps. It's also about it. It's more so than just replacing the production. It's also about replacing the snaps. I mean you have. To get the stamps out unless you re tilt your offense and you don't pass the ball that much, but we looked Steelers personnel. You know, when you look at your grumbling Zach gentry as your backup tight ends, I mean, you're probably not going to run a lot of two tied in stuff. I mean you're just probably not, neither one of those guys are as good as Jesse James. So I think largely that takes a lot of too tight end stuff off the table. So you're going to run a lot more eleven personnel. I think the Steelers personnel grouping going into next year, we'll be exclusively eleven I think they may start out in eleven and shift to two tight end sets they they're going to be in a an eleven team. So being eleven team, you know, Washington is going to get a lot of snaps Moncrieff is going to get a lot of snaps again, Washington, we'll get the initial crack, but he is on a short leash, and I would not be surprised if he does not produce quickly in training, camp or quickly in season that Washington will lose that starting position. And the two Ps of pedigree and production won't be able to save him because he's too light on production, and they're going to move forward with Moncrieff and or some other option as that other wide receiver opposite juju Smith Schuster, but with that we're going to conclude the program, and has always tune in Tele friend and subscribe.

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Steelers Touchdown Under, Part 1: What can 2019 tell us about the season ahead?

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36:46 min | 2 weeks ago

Steelers Touchdown Under, Part 1: What can 2019 tell us about the season ahead?

"Support for this episode comes from forward. Most people go to the doctor for the one offs like rashes and colds. And your annual flu shot but doctors can do more. That's why you need forward. Their doctors go beyond everyday care in an effort to catch top killers like cancer and heart disease early. They use advanced technology to help you reduce risks and achieve long-term results so invest in a doctor. That's invested in you and your long term health at go. Forward dot com. That's go forward. Dot com kids still accept steals touchdown on on that cover. We're joined bug rehearsed. machi day. We've been having a good wath. Which is what burke upper minutes light. sorry to everyone. That's already in the live chat. Such steelers shake steeler nation. Full to michael molly george testing nor does our special guests on back the off having to massive wisdom tate's out and being a fair amount of pain loss way so i appreciate machi day jefford benedict holding the full down. Full me about everyone else. Jumping in rauner tool that. Brad georgia's well but mark haggard. Doing all we live was a bit thirsty. I'm getting ready to game action you know. Hey i'm really good. I'm i'm feeling pretty good. I realize yesterday mattie. It's one month away tonight to the hall of fame guy. Can you believe one at one. One on august august fifties the hall of fame. Guy in verse the cowboys. And it's going to. We're going to say a lot of patients coming into action with Still applies rockin up in having a guy. I'm pretty excited. I'm really wanna say football again. Last year we didn't say we didn't say any season and it's just exciting to say to go out there and they're fighting for a job so i'm kane. It's only say one month away. i don't want to spend too long. It didn't get to talk about it last week. I think you. Jeffrey benedict quickly mentioned it together and spain covered across hates of. Hsa shows but just in like critically twenty seconds of thing. What are your feelings about the whole traits zona. David decastro team is waiting. Gets talk about ed. Winner gets to steals basically not show for david. I was telling jeff that you know he's saying on years and the next minute he's gone so it makes you appreciate these plays When they're in the tame same with pouncey as well he did a great job. Is to tom's pro bowl may be milwau- condom. I can't remember but he's had a great steal career And now we have a complete new early on and off did not who try tuna was but he was a guy from carolina then he went into the charges so the only really thing on do know about traits that he's a massive unit and he can be very punishable so maybe the use for him there is just to to run blocking But yeah what are you. What are your thoughts. Because it's david is gone. There's no more there's no more but let's go on. Ibero ties a height assume in another jersey and i think that's where get to But i think the I've known about him for wall Actually finally enough. I had a friend that was a pan. This fan At the time in the super bowl run. I remember what she's in quite close. I remember being really should save cam. Newton could pull it off to the surface off of this as in Really make that difference on that lawn for them. So you know we're getting someone that's like four or five time pro ball inner. He's coming off these bit younger. He's coming off Injury and a try to announce side of the Outside of the country in the us. I'm interested in what triton endure the end of the day economy copy worst play. It's gonna be injured in worst than what they did lost. You know unreal. It's really sad that that's the dive into custody. Goes out that way. it's sad he doesn't go out with super bowl. But this is a good thing for the steelers unit. Any tried turn wasn't injured he. The charges would move Wouldn't have gone. they would. They were found a way to cape him. This this this is the difference in when he's arguing up some halls of the pittsburgh steelers. I'm going to be pretty excited about it. The thing for me though. is it pushes. let's ashim Says it's just rumor and speculation about kevin donaldson a Puts kevin donaldson still the left. God position i'm interested in saying kevin nelson go to the rock position where he quite a bit more in college or the time but look if this is a one new proposition or to your proposition. Don't the upstate that the bail and end all. But i do think there's a lot of god's that come out of college that have better on the left god side and there are guys that play tackling college on the left side that often switch to god physician as well. I mean happens. I depending on the structure the offense but you can find a better life. God coming out of the draw. The new generally going to be able to rock god. So that's my thing i've time is what's the term Implication for the steelers are line out of it. Do you believe those rumors. From fa- kevin dotson actually done d- I like the way. Jeffrey benedict coveted on the cut and coal these weight. But i'm not gonna sit there and say that. Jk sports to toronto for a headline of although it is a slow time of the year. But i mean. Kevin dawson looks in shape. Autumn arts was talking that on his podcast. Occasionally gary how old age I've listened to them But they he was saying is being in shape as a human being in this being an nfl shape and maybe hasn't done a couple of those things that are we really that worried. What quantum obviously you know. I mean i think back to you. Know it was hostile Trying to break into the state team. When i was seventeen eighteen athletics. Among if you're in decent shape Running they talk about. You've always malls in your legs cooking stugotzs at meron Throw full milano. Be able to do it quickly tapers because it did it for like for so long but the thing is is that we're a month away from a hall of fame game that we probably don't even want dotson playing in any way right where a month away from from training kill through life from training canned like unless he's done absolutely nothing and the god doesn't look like he's done absolutely nothing. I'm really not that worried about it. Why yet i'll put it. This way does the super bowl start in september hunt percent note. And this is the thing. Look ray between the lines. If they will bring trae ternary to create competition that could be misconstrued as datsuns. Not doing well because you know at that point in time if they'd said competition dave decastro iran and be like y'all absolutely nuts right but if david decastro was feet and we had the amount of money captain. We've got on the table right where we had a couple of million mobile. Because you don't wanna have less than what we have before they'd be captured and when get tried ten for three million as a backup east is not one that is listening to this show right now will. It's in the live chat. That would not want try. Tuna three million dole's as depth paste safe. They were literally saying that they want someone to push sultan to play better. That's not a bad thing. People should have to earn that josie all the time. So i'm actually. I'm wondering whether there's the truth in it but then it's just misconstrued. I just think it's a bad tadic to be honest. It's a really really bad tycoon. telling someone they don't fit us exactly what this one month ago before the football season this football players football player oh throughout college. He's a messy of human He shape looks different. To what other guys could Could muster up. I just think it's it was blown way out of proportion for whoever released the the idea of. I don't know who did it but then on our that. Dotson came back on On instagram or twitter and did a few. I saw today on one instagram. Piracy's pushing the whites like james harrison. Did this clause in shape. This guy's ready. He's going to be one of my favorites steelers because he's got that right online. But that if you steal you blind guy he's gonna be a great steel and why you don't need to put pressure on this guy like that we're gonna. We're gonna reliable handyman. Get behind his camp and not. My speculation room is up. Doesn't it doesn't even matter. Even if it was true it doesn't matter. If he if he wasn't shite yuka pointy. It's tom we got five. Praising games sorry full And then the regular season is long is seventeen and like i said the super bowl. You know it doesn't It doesn't happen in september. The journey starts there. I think overall it silly to what they said hundred percent lock on laser coincide about the airline on forty three in the passing decastro. Air isn't the first online of loved. He's having he's poll malu year of life and and this is why like why is it gonna come and go we over on forever and then also i know that was brought up in the live. Shot the about spain lockdown. We all in lockdown for that will be out of that soon. 'cause machen i really came to actually catch up for a be The yet that sort of situation is what it is. That's a good segue is well. We want to wish everyone in the live chat or audio side. If you listened to this this back on polk outside of beings having july fourth without america we know no countries perfect. Everyone's going through an interesting time at the moment but without america Have the joy of being a pittsburgh steelers fan. We wouldn't have had olsen experiences that we both had room travel bed move. Wouldn't want the. I'm talking to you right now so for us. Happy july fourth. That's all i've got to say. Thank you very much. There's a lot about a love that your country along with grace that too much countries that i feel a connection with outside of australia and yet the knee thank you to all the all the americans out they always been treated with respect and logged in. What have you by. Every american. And i'm really thankful for that same. He'll i agree but the american cultures awesome. This is the reason why we've been seven two arms many many taunt. You've been there three four five five so that's twelve times that we've flown forty eight hours. That's like a wake in island. Flights the calculate even awake or not. But i love going over there tom. When are being to america. I probably should travel to another country and also well not. I'm going to go to america. So i haven't seen some other countries of being from La to grand canyon to monument valley over the right through texas new. Elaine's i'm miami. Neil local wept openly gettysburg on. My dad inaugurals. I said it. All the best thing about the american culture and coming out july fourth is is just everyone's friendly and you just have a good time everybody end. The whole country itself is so different from the The west coast to the east coast like five hours away by this completely. Different fun fact. Hundred percent let's twelve flights. One way is more than a week. Is it really. We've spent in the collectively awake. That's crazy because that's just one way all exactly. Yeah you're right. Yeah well that's not. That's not been to also went to really pittsburgh three times. And i went there in two thousand fifteen Believe twenty six and then twenty nine now with everything going on. We just can't get there yet. But i know for sure when we can in the future may matter. We'll go. We'll make everyone on this little curtain. Whoever the time but yeah. Happy fourth of july. I believe it's fourth of july to die in australia. But your tomorrow. Whenever you're listening may be listening to the tonight. It's going to be awful. Bobby's comment the bees comment. You have a good time family friends. it's just the best. I love it. All right let's into the shard mark. So this is this is going back to your concept that we did a few weeks back where we will do the twenty eighteen draw today. We're gonna look at the twenty nine chain draft and obviously we're looking draft picks and that strategic officer there's under offered free agents that come through each season we want awesome focuses vein steals invested heavily in. And what's impact in or of the future as in certain mock. Where do you wanna kick it off from the twenty ninth danger off gloss arkan. We've at stop from the the seventh round. Go up because there really isn't Let's put it this way too much content now without draft with of pies. Jim watch so. We go to start from the bottom of the worker way up. I believe to bush. Sandra plan so he can off with. I believe we have well. this go. i even believe with the steelers anymore. Doan great the offense rosty play. It was on the practice squad. A couple of times lost that yet. He's known younger with the pittsburgh steelers out of the. He's going to have to much of any max now. Alex says he's nominating. The nate fits mar yet out of other tomorrow. Wall studying job this way of tomorrow off something about. I'm not get some brisket now night. That must market. Today is sunny day. It's been raining for like two weeks. So i haven't been abused the smoke. Oh so yeah Yes maybe you go but then ma let's. Let's think about newest. Give it to look. He's twenty nine gaza heading into the third year. So it's it's another really not approve it ye but a lowliest plays players. Only twenty draw is so far down the draft older Usually you three only has. He has like ten tackles like we stay news. Shannon watt from the website pod bonds couldn't dot com to oversee way. You'll want shop throw things pittsburgh steelers audio video or of course on the written form but yeah i mean like ulysses with someone that's startled his promise and then he's never really been able to. I mean it's crossing saying the best abilities viability in. He's just not viable which is a shine because he's super fos like the idea of having him as a backup to devin bush like imagine if he had been lost you where we have been able to play him like. Hey someone that. I expect to potentially a think. He's still eligible for the practice squad if he is he sitting in the audience. Ain't making the fifty three. They're up number load of bodies in front of you likes line and Those guys like that exactly right so to me is his. Is his time up in. Pittsburgh like in spain. Three or four. We we three years coming into it round six Peacful ye j. three the lowest pies like they have no ru stats behind them. And when the new books come in is at tom for you. J. three to get replaced. By someone i think. So i think when you got bush elaine. Williams body johnson. You've gotta go. You gotta golic killebrew that comply around there brooks is gonna comply like don backer you know. But this is the thing instills pittsburgh's put it in the chat. Or i can just say a situation where we go somewhere else. Picks him up and any plays lots note. I mean he's just one of these players. Which is why i think. We'll go to kagan moment practice squad but then again i can also say he may need off the practice so by another player so on apply another team. So this is the thing with ulysses. Go but i think if the incumbent of a monster monster preseason he does that he makes the rostock fine but not going to affect some of the safeties of that we gave on the but yet i mean ulysses yo but he's in a private prevent now lose it basically. That's the steelers gymnasts. What's so intriguing. As well with the the praising games to of these guys on this twenty nineteen draft a good opportunity to try and make nine for themselves and they really have to. They really have to do something because announced being two years. And it's it's the rookie. Wall was the second year on guardians third year. You've been around the building a long time. This is the time that you didn't Make ninthly itself. And that's that's special teams. That's all you do right. We know that jordan dangerfield did that for a few years and he might not be brought back not even sure if he's on the roster but he was there for three or four years and that that was his role. So if you g three's lock that and pice special teams then this is. This is the year that you've got to really show up and we do have a better off season with the price. As in the whole if i am game to accomplish that two hundred sent one hundred hundred per in the process is going to be so important Anyone drafted in the loss threes. Pretty much because it's just like we didn't get that law she will sutton smith. He's not on the roster so we can skip over hidden. He's he's known with that. But i think he's still floating around the nfl if you sat in a few different people's practical loss yeast then isaiah bugs. He's interesting one because he came along a little bit lost year he played over soon with allah wallow out loss g. Kenyon that game. You played a terrible i hall. And then they sort of read them up at half time he came out and he played well and then you saw him weight. Seventeen fighting on the sideline against calls davis junior union. What do you expect from bugsy season because they like easing stood year again. You've got all waller back on one. Knee warmly Wanted to go night the rostov but if he does hayes probably looking at a one year why really on their all star. You actually have a two year contract that are currently cities working for one year but is i have bugs. Do you think you can prove it. This season i think he can i think even when he said when he first arrive indraught. I think it was the block that the apply versus the lamar jackson. I believe he got a sacco. We got to run twice in a row. I think him and that was pretty good to say. I think he has a bit of opportunity than usually three doesn't make impact on this team. He's behind all away. And i know that what i been drawn to say. Lawsti wakes in essays is going to be a grinding say's and you can't have a low at the for one hundred percents on you need. That second dips go bugs. Hey mom have to be it. Because i know we just got rid of democracy. Christmas no longer. Christmas in july he's gone. I didn't even know who that god was to. But even look even looking over all these players and as a fait so interesting because nantie on people and he really got to try and play chess with it all. And where are they going to where they're going to fit in what they're gonna do but imagine being the more of that playa because he buds be the sign you know he he month. I'm second in depth. But then some other rookie come raw behind him and stewart drove and take snaps and a lot of these guys. Were talking about simon's. Bugsy that i have tim show on the field like like bugs route. Now has fourteen tackles similar to what in these career right. now you've been playing football for two to three years now. Even go fourteen tackles when we get up to bush in pot to the say you'll see the big the big jump rot so And that's your soul to do with the depth straw and maybe he's on special teams and i. He's this phase played seven. Percents naps in twenty nine. And then he's played thirty percent of the snaps. Lost you so like it. An easy defensive. Tackle okay okay. I'll get that understand that. But why maybe it's to do with coaching as well. The the coaches doesn't seem to integrate. These plays so much through they. Okay for instance. What have you put him. Minka one hundred percent of the time and mingka starts to get taught and then he's near eighty seventy percent. Would you rather a bet a tray. Would they say for an example. Try to be one hundred percent or or seventy percent. Minka weren't weren't they snapped. Can't add up over the game or was that just part of the game. Yeah that's a good point. That's a good point site saying with bucks. Shouldn't bugs being they. Maybe ten twenty nine that we've been talking that for a few weeks now. Is that any any putting it. They're exactly like got an extra gain. Stews come december per season done. Well the last few years. And i know like you. Di di did a really great stack this way around results december but the point is is that even the play wenas norway spain through it. Everyone with confidence so i agree. It's it's more wade boggs to show up for. Is you settings pechiney. But it's interesting. Because brad ju it brings it up and says i expect more out allowed Note value is isaiah bucks. And that's that's going to be a great. It will be on fortunate because we won't allow them not to do the latest possible essays and just learn develop in. He's gonna get bigotry because he actually lost white for. He's pro day and so he i think he did. He's pro diet like two fifty. Even i applied to seventy pounds lost you. We named him at like two ninety so we need Applying and trying to put on that white and then getting injure soft tissue injury. We need latino just developing developing fine if he can play some sort of role in the last four or five gangs of the season but we need him for the next pretty much who six months now to focus purely on getting nfl ready from body perspective from quite expect the understanding the plight agree more about let 'em than auditors is really funny tation. I'm going to hold my opinion. I'm not even gonna look into milk just yet because there were seventy opinions around. Let them look. I'm just going to be the guy that jumps on the bandwagon last the last second very last second. You know like a lot of australian fans down here in In enshrine united they always jump on the sales jumped on. Now it's a hermes behind me is like the best quarterbacks. They're all wearing chief kingdom and have a full that the bandwagon was Tom brady everywhere number twelve. They didn't even know his first name. But yeah it's going to be look. I think it's very interesting i for plays. It's just tom on the field and they haven't got the tom on the field and a they garth very fourteen tackles and ten times for the the the new j. three and we get into some of these other guys. They just haven't had time to show what they can do. Now maybe if they were stuffing up a few times that's the reason why they get. Yeah air they'd say vitamin bought. I'd like to say. I wanna see bugsy some. I wanna say. Come in hassle quarterback the next player. Melissa zach gentry. Her lockable lakes ago. I had my what the hell five. Zack gentry a pethick. Play to be on the hill five except for the fact he shouldn't even be on the roster are constantly. This is just for stat. I was looking up with my Research about ten minutes of the show. He's got one catch. Guess emily yards monitoring modest one. He has one catch in his two year career for four yards night. The gaza man mountain but the sorry realities that light. He hasn't put the white on channel wives that of well this way on the hangover. He hasn't put the white on. he's injured. He's an ex quarterback that's never really settled into a raw like todd Just like throw it out there and hopefully you can get it. We've got enough of those plays was holding a roster spot east holler practice squad spot that we don't need cutting loose. Let's be done with it. He's a moya. What the hell one secondary the one guy like. Honestly i was trying to think about like audience to get my head around. How is on this team and you know on the biggest fan i wanna see. Everyone's exceed audit que. They rice color. Whoever have a gentry has one catch full yards and that's it. So what is he doing in training camp is he not showing up and having a go say coach. Put me in like you know that old adage when your kid head coach put me in. Maybe he's not talking on the sidelines. Maybe he's not allowed to honor for one catch in four years and he's getting paid mega bucks'll no not really but moving on i am i just don't understand it like the the using we'll get rid of him that's it our night up there take one catch for free. Yeah exactly so. Many fans loved together trying to games in the drive. And they get what. There's more fans with more catches in zach. Gingy does when i go to the latrobe. I bet you if they put out a poll on On this proud through the paul Respond i reckon that they'd be someone on the stand that his co. mall. Nfl bowls that have gone rogue from jordan berry shank pond gentry's called in his career the the lawn judge know. The guys are hold the sticks. They've got more catches in gentry. Think about that. The guy holding the ten yard. Long when i flicking the ball. He has more sanctions than zach. Gentry and this guy is a one player on this roster and zach. Gentry max it sorry from yellen. They have they have to. They have to like to do something and he's gonna turn up in the in the price as it catcher univers- able footballs. And how do you not have a touchdown yet. Like i'm just perplexed at the idea of this. Well i don't understand understand how. We continue to educate scar on the stuff. That's it so it's either that he's not. He's not giving having atomic day to be. You know he's the third best taught in there and we know one on from it's going to be number two Abra number one do even run a lot of three sets but look maybe he can fill in for certain positions in certain k. Pice but as we all know from the stuff that he has he doesn't have that and the thing is that. I like a lot of these pilots. That what we're talking about. He's a fifth round up so it doesn't really matter but you still want to get some value to your picks and this. The moment is zero value to this team. And it probably another god. We can't add to touch on a podcast now. False cameron haywood has more yards offer. Go forward of a non defensive. Play anzac gingery. I'm going to say true. Church cameron haven't had a key cretan for one. Once for eleven yards baby. He's seven yards in front of gentry. Look it's something is going on either. The the coaches need to put the plays in and have been more flexibility with the roster in in in certain situations or gentry. Just isn't that good and they're playing. In for that reason now we need the fond out before praising because maybe another young rookie totting beanie sponsor this kevin right out there. There's another guy decks. Raymond having these two blogs that we haven't really seen or talked about the only thing i know about right or a few years ago on the praised as not believe. Use a good block. So i saw some good books We're the bowl. are that way and whatnot. Because now you have five four or five or is it can catch the ball and really do and nasty work with it and then gentry luckily said about snow. Sorry semio's the l. awake rot. It just isn't enough football. go around. But you've gotta make Suddenly something with his team like. I be so hard. If you're pittsburgh steel on you like telling your night. So how'd you plan on the weekend. Duck eggs nothing the whole times i. It's just crazy oddest thing. Have a go. We'll get rid of him. Something one of the all right. Who's next tallest. Believe we have we done round five going to round three. So we'll start with justin line. What are your thoughts on him. We skip any snow snow. I it's up to you. Yeah round folks stay. What always he. Yeah he was just lines ran three. The that's that's how much he's forgotten man as well. There's teasing you had these awesome stat on. I look exactly the same as gentry. He has what is he giving to this team. It's a rotten down this moment. Any snow bench. No football look. I would love them all. I really do but he has. He's top rushing career longest yod Gain is thirty yards. Can't school touchdowns like that. We all want the same. Do big things in that unites. Look how do you be signed gentry. How do you be in this league for two years. Now heading to your third season and you highest or your your biggest runners thirty yards. You wanna do that on our the honor. The offense is bad or there are long was bad and the running game was to be bad but they're they're runners on other teams all thirty thirty one teams that have these plays who expose even run out of the gates and they getting forty hours fifty th. They can seem to to pull this off. I just like you know he's meant to be that goal line guy but he can't move the ball forward push that all so i just think he's in a very similar situation to gentry and he's going to be number two behind nause right. The china pious. You've just got to start to do something. All right interesting point about benny snell so for those people. That didn't listen to warren sway. Which is good. There's a lot of atheists say content listener. That's the other show. That i do i i. I found some stats. That were basically done from. Says he will not be familiar with the approximate valuation that pro football reference to which is basically that sun a number in a given to apply based on performance loss. Gm chase quite gonna seven. If you're a quarterback on volts hanging market like seventeen. Now basically they went through and for plays first round peaks between twenty twelve twenty nine that calculated the average a. v. per year across the first four years right so communication at the running back position that average ivy for off the running that five point nine two So across the two years that would be effectively. Eleven point right. I ram cheese of korea. For fest running back. Benny snell who has not been bill. Catfish who's played in twenty nine games. He's curious ivy's seeks said. He's hof he's produced off of. What a first round running back with. Do right. overseas played a lot less games and snaps. I agree that. Like i would expect a lot more out of bending snow but then when i see something like that on a little bit more offended more acceptable or of sit there and online. He kind of ends graduate. Said he's not that horrible. He's not really have the opportunity to fully prove it over season. We've seen him in games. Where the longest the most snaps. He plays the bed. he's like he needs time to work. He's rhythm into a game equally lost year. He did not have the hulls being created for him to get anything literally anything sar and like any. What's that because the twenty nine teen. He averaged three point nine yards per rush those any more yards only of three less attempts than twenty nine hundred where he had the yod. Yod the average yards per russia. Three point three like any. David have more touchdowns lost so. I don't know like i agree with you. That we ain't someone's gonna run tho- though but if he's role is not the starting running back on on funded a bit more acceptable yet now understand. I'm not saying like horrible when i get that. He's wro is number two but it just comes down to these two three this year. I would expect it very very well. Very well could be but these players are getting time In the backfield. Siamese gentry same as applies we discuss. I fought with bugs in j. threat. There's not enough tom. they understand interesting. That look. you know somebody with machado saying that. He's in that that long Ronnie's palabek i. I understand that but on your career off the two years. Your biggest rounded thirty yards. That's earning twenty five maters like their their. Their backs can do that. But in games Win to back when when the panthers on to stop. I can't remember who the books were. But they've always had it to say they they were running really well. I just think it's some time you've got to crack one. You really do you. Go to crack one. Gopher fifty yards or fifty five yards yet. And that's the and this is the thing is in an offensive line. That's been created to football if he can't if he can't produce that in the preseason on the festival ways i think he tried him and just think he tried in before try deadline. The thing is the thing is many before if you wanna go to break whichever he never. He's never got pasta safety right now. In a lotta pies poker and connor even men to hawaii much of your him they getting to that second level and that's what they're always they always told and it just seems like yet like many many binny's on built that way and because he's a full as well but i would love this. Let's say it. He may have a go and have a crack and really get past that second level. Miss one guy. And sean hedge the enzyme. Yeah yeah all agree. I'd love to say it. I just as say. I'm someone that he's great to not have to lawn guy that if you need him any need him to close. It's like what we talked to that three or four weeks ago. Where if you buy two touchdowns going into the full rest nausea put put snow into just punch it up the middle to run out a game of it's beneficial to the steals given that you can't do that with the fullback. That's not a fullback on our roll stuff. So yeah that. That rep saab potluck on steals touchdown on if you're listening to live right now in the audio saw on the on the youtube facebook of things just hold tight for few seconds fuel neo decides which pot to appreciate. It's been a really long pot one what's to get through. It's an interesting drop. Cloths could slam the slang common. And it's mornings kyun as well.

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Steelers Training Camp Recap No. 7: Tuesday 8/25/20

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Steelers Training Camp Recap No. 7: Tuesday 8/25/20

"The. Sports betting dime DOT COM provides the coverage fans need to bet with confidence every time find the best odds track key trends and make smarter bets on all your favorite sports. Check it out at sports betting dime dot, com. Today answers matter more than ever before. That's why IBM is helping businesses manage customer questions with Watson Assistant. It's conversational I designed to work for any industry. Let's put smart to work visit IBM Dot Com Slash Watson Assistant. Steeler fans what's going on? This is Jeff Hartman. Co editor behind the curtain dot com with you for another training camp recap. That's right. The Pittsburgh steelers back. No pads today. Just, their shells, which means their helmets they add some of them probably were there soft underlining of their shoulder pads? Some probably didn't even wear shoulder pads and they went through the motions but. His little bit unique today. I know if you're like me, even though the coverage is awful for the steelers training camp and I've been the first set of you missed my Monday let's ride go back and listen to it. I kind of went off on the steelers organization how I I think it's been pretty pitiful personally all the stuff that they have going on and what they could be doing whether or not will I was getting ready for the live look in I need to added to behind the curtain dot com article. So the fans can watch from behind the steel curtain, Dot Com and all of a sudden. What do I see? A there's no outdoor practice due to the threat of weather. The Pittsburgh steelers decided to take their camp practice in move it in. So they went from Heinz field. To the South side facility. The UP EMC Sports Rooney Sports Complex than they have an indoor facility that shared with the University of Pittsburgh and Mike Tomlin centers because they just didn't want to miss any more practice Saturday evenings practice got cut short because of weather they didn't want to risk it and so he moves it over there in this was before tomorrow they're gonNA have a day off and so tomorrow would be. That's right Wednesday they're going to be off on Wednesday, which means that I won't be talking to you tomorrow unless you listen to. Let's ride in the morning. Nonetheless there was some news we'll start off as always with who talked who spoke in the morning, and then we'll get into practice and then we'll call it a day. Let's start off with the first things. First, the interviews that we had on Tuesday started off with none other than Keith Butler defensive coordinator and you know he had I i. Love this guy he's got that southern drawl shocks Gee Golly Gilbert Bary. That's that's that's him and I'm a listen to these interviews and it's pretty good. He talked a lot about a lot of different players. He talked about Mak-, Fitzpatrick and how good he is. He really talked glowingly of Cameron Sutton and that's the we'll continue to talk about as we talk about what? What what is really going on with the steelers Mike Tomlin's comments after practice. But what really stood out to me? A couple of things he basically said the end of the road for an colors either Dan mccullers sound a put up or shut up as essentially what Butler said You know he he said he's been around long enough and Jadon Hargraves gone. It's basically his job to take but can he take a? We're not sure there's an ongoing joke about whether Dan mccullers has pictures of of someone or coacher a front office person but he said it's now or never basically but he had some other things to say. About campaign but he also talked about Chase Klay, poll, and Jake label the team's top draft pick. He said basically I thought he had brick hands early in other words stone handing he got it a little mixed up but that was the quote he's Chase Klay will probably couldn't catch a cold the first came onto the scene and that's something other reporters were noticing as well. Early on in his training camp probably some NERVOSA anxiety there. You know it's been such a weird off season. You didn't have ot as no rookie minicamp no mandatory minicamp just throw out there to the wolves with the veterans right away. He has settled in Butler said that since then. He's really turned things on and he can see how good this kid's going to be, and so he's been hyped up a lot and that's Chase Klay Pool but ultimately I think that He's he's getting noticed for a reason whether it's Joe Haden whether it's rainy feet Noor, met Canada or even. Obviously Butler today. So we'll see we also heard from TJ Wad. TJ A great guy, and he certainly is someone that he he's he's just like his brothers. They're going to tell you the stock answer is very coach like Very Ben Rothlisberger asking in terms of they're gonNa, tell you things that you're gonNA WANNA hear they're not gonNA give you any sound bites. You're not gonNA give you any bulletin board material it. The most interesting parts of these interviews were when they were talking about Spike Ball, which is a to Z to game that's played at a played. In the locker room tunnel wallow in water or partners, and they've been doing really well in their regular season championship against Cam Hayward and Steph onto it probably tomorrow or Thursday. Guess that was probably the most interesting thing. But what did talk about for instance, the right tackles he's been going up against Zach Banner szucs core four he gave them credit saying they're doing a great job but at. The same time you know he's not gonNA. He's also not GonNa just say Oh well, you know they're doing a great job, but he always finishes it off with at the end of the day I trust my abilities and it doesn't matter who they put out there in other words. Yeah. They're doing great. But at the same time I'm going to beat whoever's in front of me and that's why T. J.. Watt is Tj J.. Watt. Nets very much a a something that's variable with which makes him so good in. So great is his mindset he also talked about how he and bud debris been working on their hands. You think about pass rushers, they're always working on their hand placement they're working on how they're going to get off in what they're gonNA. They're to combat different moves the offensive tackle. Offensive tackle comes adamant the bull rush what are they going to do? How are they going to combat that inside role? Swim move chop the hands out. There's a lot of different stuff. Every single time they've had a special teams period training camp debris and what have been over on the sideline working on their hands as much as possible in the words of TJ he said he and budgets have been quote unquote working our hands like crazy during special teams, periods of practice. So that's great to hear ee. If you didn't realize T. J. Watt is a guy that just never ever satisfied. He's always going to be relentless than you haven't been paying attention. All right. Let's get to practice now players that were injured or I'm sorry players that had the day off Juju Smith Schuster gets off for the second day in a row not sure if there's something lingering there but he's been offered two days in a row Vance McDonald. He got the day off today. Ben. Rothlisberger. Who was off yesterday he returned to practice marquees pounds pouncey returned from his grandmother's funeral and Florida here the players that were previously injured that still remain out of practice Wendell smallwood with a shoulder Chris warmly, with a shoulder terrell edmonds undisclosed. Kevin. DOTS and knee deontay Johnson undisclosed jukes. Groin during gray knee and Anthony Johnson knee the list is getting long. Now they had some injuries today, Ryan Switzer hurt his foot was unable to return karat white injured his groin and Alex Myers injured his groin as well. So not really not so not. So great news on the Injury Front there, and that's something that might Tomlin. Clearly stated now after practice and we'll get to the practice before shortly Tomlin spoke of bill none he spoke about a lot of different players of mainly talked about Cam Sutton and listen to this quote Cam Sutton's best position might just be versatility I. Know that I know that from a role standpoint he has embraced that with US CAM as a Guy. Who is outside corner capable nickel capable dime capable safety capable in really he displays at just about daily within the same drills. His versatility is an asset to us. He really has earned his way into the rotation in terms of being a core component of our base defense inside in in the sub packages but that is just the means on which he. Got On the bus I don't WanNa put him in that box. He was a he has a well rounded skill said continues approved us that he is very versatile. Some might say, Hey, he's a Swiss army knife to use a Tomlin ISM on his own player but still nonetheless, cam sudden very versatile has been getting a lot of publicity here early on. A camp and the teams going to have to make a tough decision at the end of the season between he WHO's entering the final year rookie contract or Mike Helton who's in a restricted free agent second round tender at this point. So there have to make a decision between those two players and that's going to be. We'll see how things play out. Let's go to see what happened to practice per the Pittsburgh steelers pool reporters. The practice has inside linebacker Roberts Lane practice again Wednesday with a splint slash rap on his right hand. Remember he left practice a finger injury a couple of days ago Ben Rothlisberger is right evaded the rush steph it and found Chase Klay Porna- crossing route through the middle of the defense we've been hearing those two names a lot rothlisberger declared will maybe that'll continue inside linebacker Ulysses Gilbert. And running back Anthony Mcfarland faced off in four separate reps of running back versus linebacker drill. McFarland got the best of Gilbert three of the four reps including one e passed on the sideline. Gilbert did swallow McFarland on another wheel route on the other side line. It should be noted that the running back has an extreme advantage in this drill, but nonetheless, linebacker can keep up with running back especially a running back like McFarland that speaks volumes Paxton Lynch who couldn't hit. Water if he felt vote the other day connected with tight end Zach gentry a one on one competition Lynch threw a perfect back shoulder pass that allowed the six eight tight end holiday despite tight coverage from splaine a diving catch on a throw from. Rothlisberger despite coverage by Joe. Haden. In the DB wide receivers competition period this also was the period in which Ryan Switzer appeared injured his right foot Mason Rudolph connected with five receiver Ray Ray McLeod who Saw, increased repetitions with the injuries to Judas deontay Johnson injured on a deep crossing route Rudolph executed the play action fake perfectly spotted McLeod running away from safety Jordan Dangerfield cornerback james peer almost had another interception, but he was only able to tip the pass away from wide receiver Dion Cain. McFarland. Klay Pool. Each had dropped a had a dropped pass. Rudolph rebounded following follows dropped on the next play with a perfect throw to Macleod on a deep post route. They have that was practice from. The UP EMC Rooney Sports Complex indoors again not padded. Pad? So. It was just a very routine practice but there are still some bright spots and Mike Tomlin spoke after practice about how he always views injuries. As an opportunity for others and not necessarily as a negative when it comes to particular, you know. Issues with. The the players that do not practice a it's it's a bummer for them but at the same time, it's an opportunity for someone else. So like I said Deontay Johnson's out. Juju. Smith Schuster and other day off. He talked about Amara Darboe getting a lot of repetitions with the ones railway McLeod chase clip was rookie cannot. He can't get enough repetitions so One door closes the door opens essentially what he's trying to say. So there you have it folks just remember tomorrow they are going to be office deals will not have practice therefore, the will not be a training camp recap. But when we get back into training camp practices, I will be back with you here on these get posted whenever they finish their typically just around nine pm eastern time some of asked me on twitter whether these recaps. Will Somehow. Continue during the season I. 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Steelers Injury Report, Week 12 vs. Ravens: Monday Report

Behind the Steel Curtain

10:44 min | 8 months ago

Steelers Injury Report, Week 12 vs. Ravens: Monday Report

"Support for this podcast comes from. Cdw in dell technologies at cdw g we get the migrating agency to a hyper converged. Infrastructure is challenging decaf. Gotta do to to it. Slowdown frowned cdw. Jeez experts can help. Simplify your transition. From legacy to hyper converged infrastructure with dell. Emc solutions that offer speed and agility. Have you done it. Is it done yet netanya. It orchestration by cdw people who get it find out more at cdw dot com slash dell. Emc pittsburgh steelers fans. What's going on this. Jeff hartmann co editor of behind the steel curtain dot com. And if you listen to all of our podcast my gosh. You're probably sick of hearing my voice. I get it if you listen to our post game podcast this morning. Then you heard myself brian. Anthony davis dave scofield. If you listen to let's ride at noon you heard me talking about the game. That was in the steelers magic twenty twenty season. He me good and bad at noon. Then obviously i had my mike tomlin recap because this short week is now on monday and here. I am for a fourth time today. Talking about an injury report for the upcoming game against the ravens. That never even happened. Never even happened basically talking about fiction basically talking about what would have happened if something happened and you might laugh at this but it's the truth in case you didn't know excuse me after with short week so whenever a team plays on thursday night football the pittsburgh steelers in this case they have the release three injury boards leading up to the game in this is for a lot of reasons mainly gambling anyway The pittsburgh steelers in the baltimore ravens. Neither of them practiced on monday. The ravens definitely didn't their facility was basically. Shut down for reasons. We'll get to in a second. No practiced no one was on the field. They might have had meetings in which case all of them were probably virtual They probably watch film. They probably talked to game. Plan to be completely honest with you. If you know enough about football you the the steelers were game planning for the ravens. Last week as they were finishing up their jaguars prep started to look at the game ahead. That's just the way that they do. Thursday night games always been that way. Not because it's the ravens. If they were flip flopped they started to look ahead of the jaguars prior to playing the ravens. If the games were flipped but nonetheless the steelers are preparing for this but the nfl says hey you have to give a practice injury report as if there was actual practice today so if you today what will the injury report of look like okay so we already know from mike tomlin to give you a rundown him in case you missed my Tomlin press conference. Recap he said. The zach generated significant knee injury. Now i think a lot of people myself included that was going to equate to a tornado or mc l. Supposedly this just report right now. It is reported. The gentry has a sprained knee in. It's not a tear. Therefore maybe he'll be back at some point but i would expect him possibly go on reserve as they bring back vans mcdon- who he said should be coming back to practice this week. Talked about joe haden. Juju smith schuster saying that. We'll see how they can do with practice. In terrell edmund. Trae edmunds with a hamstring. In jail jalen animals quadricep. They could return to practice this week as well after missing last week. So what did this fake practice for. Look like well. Hopefully you don't have a pen paper because my gosh. This is a long list so here are. The players would miss practiced for not injured related reasons. They would have been given a day off. They are markey's pouncey. David decastro alejandro. Savea eric ebron steph onto it tyson. Alu alu cameron heyward vince williams and yes ben rothlisberger so those players they would have gotten a day off. They wouldn't have practiced but here are the players would have missed practice if they actually had practice. I know this sounds silly really does but this is exactly where they have to do. Juju smith schuster would have missed practice with a foot. Now that's important because cbs sports. During the game on sunday labeled it as a foot slash ankle therefore we know now at least the steelers are labeling it as a foot injury. Take that for what it's worth. Some of you might say that. it's better some. you might say it's worse. It all depends on the injury to the foot. But that's what we know. Right now quarterback joe hayden would not have practiced in his was a knee when he left the game. No one really knew what was going on. They said he was on the sideline testing it out. He never went back in my tomlin said he probably could have but they kept amounts. He would not have practiced on wednesday. Trey edmunds and jalen samuels. That just talked about with their respective injuries. They too would not have practiced this past wednesday in j. ron elliott. Who missed all of last week with illness still would not have practice with that illness. Oh you're wondering if that is possibly Your something that. They're just keeping amount for preventative measures. Or maybe he's just really sick. And then obviously zach gentry with a knee would not have practiced but my thomas essentially ruled out jet gentry this week no matter what so you got to remember. The people that are on the covid list are not on this list. Vance mcdonald's is not listed here so I have not seen yet that he has been removed from covid reserve list. Therefore he's still considered on that list until he removed from it. What about the baltimore ravens. They dated the same thing. They didn't practice today. They had a whole mess. With covid and covid nineteen coronavirus. Two players in one close contact will not be playing in the game on thursday night and they are significant players in that is jk dobbins in mark. Ingram running backs Jk dobbins rushed for over one hundred yards the steelers. Last time they played mark. Ingram did not play in that game. He was still hurt. So the steelers will go the regular season without seeing ingram. At all. And then brain williams. They're giant of a man nose tackle. Who did miss the last game with an injury. No one knows that he would have been able to play on thursday or not. He was deemed close context. He's going to have to quarantine even if he's not positive meaning. Heat like for instance. Ben rothlisberger in vince williams and Jalen samuels and gerald hawkins. A few weeks ago vance mcdonald. They were able to come back and play on sunday because of the short week even if he is testing negative. He's not gonna have the opportunity to do that but they do. Have some other injuries to keep up. They said that if they would have practiced today collapse campbell. Who has a calf injury would not have participated. That's a really big name to keep an eye on leading into this thursday game. Because if he can't play and williams can't play. that's a big deal quarterback. Jimmy smith with an ankle did not participate. But don't get too excited there folks because remember leading up to the last game. Jimmy civility within achilles barely practiced in still went out and played played very well actually tight end. Mark andrews with a thigh was limited would have been limited outside matthew jude on with an ankle would have been limited then guard tirade with an ankle also been limited. That's it so again. The ravens are going to be short handed on offense with not having ingram and not having dobbins for a team that wants to run the ball as much as they do. They're gonna have to lean on obviously lamar jackson and his running ability. Gus edwards is probably going to be the primary back and justice hill. I believe is his name. Is oklahoma state product. The steelers look to him. They liked him a lot. He's kind of escape back type. That's gonna be there running backs to deal with the steelers fans might say. It's an easier road hosts to speak with players in the lineup. But i would say yes but it's not gonna be easy easier. Yes easy no not at all. So what's going to be in store tomorrow tomorrow. Tuesday this is going to be back practice. And they're actually going to be on the practice field and so now. Will you actually get a really good sense. For is juju. Smith schuster even going to be practicing in a limited capacity is joe haden even back in a limited capacity now all those players that were basically given a day off they are. They'll be back as full participants tomorrow. In the big thing here is that the steelers have to weigh their options. And figure out okay. There tend to know clearly. You want to win this game. You wanna stay perfect. You wanna put that dagger into the ravens and say you're not winning the afc north this year but at the same time the steelers really can benefit if they can win this game and then get that many by where they have this that a little extended break you jammed. Pack all this crap into this short little week and if you can get through this week with a win and then all of a sudden now you're you're looking at you get the whole weekend off before you get back into the lab and start preparing for your next game. This is going to be a huge game. And it's going to be a huge moment for the steelers because they can get through this healthy get through this without Without losing a game they are setting themselves up for success down the road so keep that in mind so in other words. We'll be back tomorrow with another steelers injury report and this time. They'll actually have practiced will actually be talking about a physical practice and not just a you know. Essentially what if they would have practiced and keep in mind to these practices on these short weeks are are basically glorified walk-throughs. They're throwing passes to one another working on routes route combinations different scenarios special teams. But they're not doing anything crazy on ever forget It was either. That michael vick was with this team and it was. They came off of a a win in saint. Louis ben guy. Ben rothlisberger got hurt and he had to start against baltimore and they said he basically had one practice. He basically had one practice. And that's what these short weeks look like so we'll be here ready the whole time. The website has been crazy today with all the news with ravens and the covid stuff as well as all of our usual features like winners and losers the report card. And we're going to be jam packed again tomorrow. Folks make sure behind his steel curtain. Dot com is your one-stop shop for all things pittsburgh steelers on top of that. Make sure that you're following us wherever you get your podcasts. Google play itunes apple podcasts. Anger pandora spotify spotify guy follow us subscribe. It doesn't matter to you. Don't miss a thing. That's my monday wednesday friday. let's ride. That's tomorrow tuesday's live mike. That's thursdays dealer stack. Jackie actually i'm sorry steelers jackie's going to be over the weekend because this week's crazy thursday game. I'm losing my mind folks. We're gonna call it. We're just going to call it a. Shell have a great evening. I'll see vacuum tomorrow for another injury. Report podcast in the meantime these begun in god bless gives dealers.

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Steelers Sunday: What is the success rate for a decade of Steelers trades?

Behind the Steel Curtain

59:34 min | 1 year ago

Steelers Sunday: What is the success rate for a decade of Steelers trades?

"Hey Yo Pittsburgh. steeler fans, it is Sunday, and what better thing to do than talk about the Pittsburgh steelers always welcome to be tse behind the curtain and the family of podcast today it's the steelers Sunday in we're going to talk about all things, steelers, and maybe a little. Then some to my name's Brian Anthony Davis. You could call me bad I am the podcast producer, or what have you of behind this curtain along me? Today is deputy editor of behind this curtain. His name is Michael Beck from way up north. Mb. What's going on my friend? You know a having a having a nice little Sunday morning here on the West Coast. It's a a little bit earlier out here. I guess so still just heading in lunch hour here enjoying a nice sunny day. Maybe maybe go for Dr later just to enjoy some good weather that we don't get all the time so just living it up the great white north. It's not so wait. Out here on that West Coast, but. Doing pretty well. How are you doing, Brian? You know what the way you started out. I thought you were going to. Pay Tribute to Frank. The tank Will Ferrell from old school. You Know Nice little sanity going on maybe. Home Depot, a little bed bath, and beyond who were it's GonNa? Take us so that's what you're saying and I love. The Red Dragon Frank the tank. So you know. I'm doing well Michael Beck. I'm doing real well as always. I'm excited about steelers' before we get in into that I've had an eventful week in a good way. As a lot of people know that I am involved in scouting BSA and. So with the scouts. And Might Maya troop troop, sixty six out of Maryland had the honor of. Going to camp this week now, of course because of covid nineteen, it was cyber camp this week where we try to do as much as possible. A lot of the mayor patches a lot of things. Through Through the computer, but also the opportunity to have them get out in record the stuff that they're doing them doing the activities with social distancing in mind and I'm very proud to say that. Not only were the two thousand fifteen champs, the two thousand eighteen champs, but. Spirit Day. Two thousand twenty champions, my boys. I'm very proud of so congratulations to my guys. Good job! So there. And I well, I made the trophies. But. We had a virtual campout, and I wanted to go ahead and present them to present them with something, so they were. They had something to be very proud of there is going to be an actual trophy that they'll be engraved upon a little cup so. I wanted to shout out to those guys. Because you know they didn't get a chance to go to camp with. They tackled it with the same spirit in competitive fire. That they always do so I'm I'm really proud of them in you. Know Me, I'm little competitive to I. Don't know if that's something you've noticed. But I could get win a when the task is at hand. Get going so I'm so proud of these guys, so lots of great names that I'm seeing popping up in the live chat right now I'm seeing Snowman David Nolan Kathy for Ed Justin me. Read over in Jessie George. Your good friends of the show steelers Pittsburgh. Carson right. Thank you for coming in jared devil my man. So many people popping in hanging out with us on a Sunday and once again. We can't do these shows without you and we love the fact that you're coming in. If you want to support the show, all you have to do if you haven't done it. Is, subscribe tell friends about us and extended to steeler nation, because there's a lot of people in steal a nation that don't know that we're out here talking every single day about the Pittsburgh steelers in your voice to just like everybody in the live chat, so tell a friend make sure everybody knows about it. It keeps us going and keeps us. charged up. So. That's where we're going. Michael Beck the Pittsburgh steelers are going to be in camp pretty soon without agreement that happened about Friday. Now! We know that there's going to be football in some shape now with major league baseball starting up not too great for the Pittsburgh, pirates but with them starting up. You know that it's possible to. Have Sports without fans. It's possible to have sports in. It looks like it's even more possible to have football this fall. How are you feeling about all? That Michael Oh as a giant sports, not I am completely thrilled I couldn't be more excited for football to be back for. Will everything coming back seemingly in the next? Oh, WE CARE! No hockey's hidden the ice again. The NBA tournaments is going down in Orlando. Major league soccer's back of course opening day for baseball was just a couple of days ago. It's a good time to be a sports fan again. At least we We have it on TV. Not being able to go to game suck, but to actually being able to watch those lives or to it it's filling that empty void that left behind in my heart a few months back there at. Definitely, the the way I usually spend most evenings or or even writing about talking about talking all my buddies about so it seemed like a giant hole in my life, but. It's coming back. We have sports again it. It's thrilling. It's exciting and especially steelers football the the most important one, too. I think all of us here today, so really excited to see the guys going at it again. Of course there's a load of storylines and training camp so once we get underway strobe easier for you to make some content, but it's an exciting time for US dealers nation exciting time to be a sport. Yet it definitely is I. was you were talking about adapting how everything's different in two thousand twenty? That's going to be I was talking about my scouts how they've adapted and it's can adapt sports fans, but the bottom line is here in some way or shape or form in. We're so happy to have it back, so that's great Lance Williams. Who is not on the show today he is, he's checking in and his daughter. Livia is turning thirteen today. So that's just. Just absolutely fantastic, happy teens to a Livia I mean. That is awesome. Lance, a fine young lady that you're raising their I'm we're so proud to have her a part of the bt TSE family as well so happy birthday Olivia and it's funny because my son turns thirteen in about eight days, so a Livia and my boy conor came into the world really close at the same time, so it's so. It's so nice to see How proud we are of our! Family and our families in general so happy birthday once again, a Libya Williams. So Michael Here's the thing to talk about. We had big news hitting the NFL yesterday, and a wasn't steeler news, but in a way. In a way. It was because when you think about it. Jamal Adams gets traded from the New York jets. All the way. To the other side of the world, close to you Seattle. I know Seattle and Vancouver a lot closer than New York and Seattle. Were Pittsburgh in Seattle but so a lot of people. One of the Pittsburgh steelers to be looking at Jamal Adams. Come on. It wasn't really possible, but the fact that they made this deal. Has a lot to do with the steelers because the Pittsburgh steelers. Made A big deal? With the Miami Dolphins last September. I mean what about nine ten months I'm I'm not doing the math right now, but. Nine ten months ago, they made a huge deal and it seems like they gave up a lot less for an all pro safety. Then the Seattle seahawks did so. What are your thoughts on that trade and how it pertains to our? Pittsburgh steelers Michael Beck. Touch on a couple point Sarah I think. I was also Solan that was. Kind of looking into what potentially the steelers could possibly move to bring in Jamal Adams type, but at the end of the day when that compensation came through, there's no way the steelers given up to I, a third and a starting safety. That was just not happening I. Think the jets made made out pretty well? Even though those picks are completely up in the air, you might not even be an NC double A. season. WHO KNOWS IF? If that gets running at so it might be a shot in the dark when it comes to using that first round pick next, but they still got a load compensation back so in that sense I think the jets did all right. The seahawks also did find by getting one of the best safety, if not the best safety in football, but when it relates to the steelers and what? We were able to get for make fitzpatrick. Just makes me laugh. Also, we only needed one pick to get one of the best safeties. There isn't a game and like I know that they compare kind of close, but I think Jamal having a couple more years under spelt in a couple more accolades. It might be easier to rank him ahead of MINKA, but When you look at the two names, the steelers only needed to give up that one pick of course, and then they swap mid round picks in where the steelers traded up from the fifth to the Fourth Round and then in twenty twenty one they swap a six. The steelers six four, the dolphins seven, so in a sense a- Less than just a first round pick compensation and A steelers fans with. Kevin Colbert and what an absolute fleecing it was to get make if it's Patrick on this team. Of course, he still three more years on his contract, when Jamal Adams to, and we don't even know if he's serious about playing Seattle for another two more seasons, or if you want to jump ship to Dallas, I couldn't even imagine if you were to leave in Seattle were were to be out to to i. a third and Mr macdougald all sudden. You don't have a whole lot for Jamal Adams a big hole in your offer so I think I think it's super important that Seattle get together for the big price safety that they just acquire. Yeah, you know that's something that I'm glad that you brought up because that was number one for me. The fact that the steelers have makeup Fitz Patrick for a lot longer than the seahawks are potentially going to Jamal Adams now that could change with with a big deal you know I'm sure franchising and there's so many things that you could do with him, so I understand that, and it's funny when you look at jets, fans, and not just jets fans, but lay on bell of the New York. Jets who aren't happy about this deal at all Jessie George brings up bell crying about Adams leaving and. and. He, also basically call him a liar. Lady on bell called him a liar there, too on twitter bell was saying Adams crew than he leaves. Ha, Ha, you know it's. Jets fans are pessimistic. If you want to the draft every year. When it was from radio, City Music Hall. They always showed the montage of jets fans listening to the pick throughout the years and they're going crazy with it. You know they get all upset. Jets fans right now are saying you traded a pro bowler for for two picks in aging safety like an old safety that socks, and this is just from twitter and what I'm reading. This is not maya to`real, but you're. You're an another. Pick your trading all this and you've got nothing. Because draft picks could be nothing and I don't look at it that way. Steeler fans are definitely not looking at it that way. The jets I feel. They gotTA steal. But Seattle. Wanted to get their man. And you know I could. This could be a huge trade for Seattle's well. The price was a whole lot higher. Than what the steelers paid for make Patrick, so that makes the steelers winners in this whole deal as well even more I mean, time will tell whether they pay too much of a price. A lot of people on the live chat field of the seahawks Scott fleeced. You kind of feel that the seahawks paid a pretty penny for Jamal Adams. But. We'll find out. Yeah, you could say that. The seahawks have two losses of first round picks. Exactly because I, mean you also have to consider? The player and what I'm saying the character of the player. I believe that a guy like meka fitzpatrick comes to Pittsburgh and he's planning on being here the rest of his days. Jamal Adams. WHO's not afraid to ask for trade? Now granted mink asked for a trade to, but it was a different story, because Minka felt like his team was tanking in not serious and wanted to play for a contender Jamal wanted out. And, so that's kind of something that you could, you could look at so, but this all leads into the Pittsburgh steelers Michael. Beck in how it leads into, it is the fact that the steelers not normally a huge player on the trade market, but they've had a few deals in the last decade Kevin Covert is not afraid to get on the phone and make a deal in. That's where we are going to discuss next. The Pittsburgh steelers trading. In the next decade. Right Michael So, what do you think? Yeah things off the top? We're, GONNA start with our most recent trade worked our way back. All these trades are going to involve some sort of player, not just swapping picks, so you won't see anything. The Devon Bush trade on here, but we will touch on along those big name, big name players in and out and kicking things right off the top of course Chris. Warmly deal The compensation was a fifth round pick back to Baltimore Trade. We don't see all the time. Of course time will tell to whether or not warmly even plays more than the one season here, but That fifth round pick it those mid round picks. You don't necessarily know what you're going to get. So as a right now I would great as wash we haven't seen. We haven't seen normally play. We don't know if he's GonNa Resign. There's a lot of question marks there, but What do you think in Brian? Early early bring back on this trade. Who's WHO's the early winner, would you? Would you say? It's a two thousand twenty one deal, and they are giving up a fifth round pick is. Is that when I'm to believe on this correct? You know it's it just depends what you get outta warmly. I mean it's really hard to say, but the steelers right. Are Getting a proven player I feel. He's a proven player that you know with with the. With the Ravens making that trade for Claes Campbell. They. try to bring in was a brokers. They try to bring him from the rams. Who ended up going back in? That didn't work out, but they didn't know that that wasn't gonNA work out. When they traded warmly, they would've never traded warmly at that point, so they've got not only a piece, but a guy that could probably a lot of football for the steelers four an unknown. Unknown Fifth Round Pick at this point right now I'm thinking they're on the better end of it because they don't have depth on the defensive line. The Guy that they drafted Carlos Davis is not going to get an opportunity to play too much, and we're not going to hear too much from him, so I'd rather have a proven player, maybe if even if it is a one year rental. I'd do it now. So I'm fine with a steel. Nice so moving back to the next deal of course someone that kind of drew the ire, steelers, fans, and the player himself on his on his exit. Nick van at. Of course ran away to Denver after less than a full season in Pittsburgh for a fifth round pick. Not Fifth Round. WENT TO SEATTLE. And then they dealt it again to Washington, who selected Kelechi Hudson a linebacker in the fifth round? There courses steelers only I I believe. It was thirteen games. And on his way out, said how much he, he didn't care so much time in either stop of his young career. What do you think of this deal? Is that a? Is that a big mistake that maybe the steelers just signed a Luke Wilson. Who's afraid of the? Or is, is that a movie make again. You. Know what I did not have a problem with them. Making the deal at the time I thought it was a deal that they had a make especially with the fact that you did not know what you had in Zach gentry. They still know what they have. In Zach Gentry, but Zach Century was your number two at the time. McDonald was a guy at the time that you did not know if he was going to play I, mean he did. You've got fourteen games out of a last season? But you never know with his health, so you really have to go ahead. Make that deal. However you know. Do you hindsight being twenty twenty? You probably don't do it, but my thought is. You've got to make moves like that. It's you just got rid of a guy that you didn't want to cut. In Joshua Dobbs so basically, you got rid of that. You traded Joshua. Bob's for Nick Vinet. All right so that's what I'm looking at there. It's not going to go down as a successful trade. I still think you do it in that situation and not bring in a They. They did their due diligence. Did Not feel that that Luke Wilson or anybody else that was not employed at the time was worth it so I still think it was a deal that you kind of have to make because it's the best time it's. GonNa, go down in history as a bad deal. But as mule skinner says they were, they were desperate when they traded for van. And sometimes you've got to make those desperation. Trades did a work out now, because not only did the net not have Ben Rothlisberger. Throw to him. He just He was not. acclimated to the system, and here's the thing about that. When Vernet left, Seattle he had plenty of bad things to say about Seattle to. He just might not be a happy guy. Definitely possible, and then I guess moving along here to the biggest trade of last season. One make if it's patrick coming back to Pittsburgh of course the fourth round pick we now know ended up being Kevin Dotson Obstacles are also picking up twenty twenty one seventh round, pick the dolphins with their first round selection from the steelers took the the big left tackle Austin Jackson. In the fifth round they went after Jason Strawbridge. WHO's the defensive and they also have a six round? Pick waiting for them in twenty twenty one. I think I think when you look at it straight up right now. There's an opportunity. Were the steelers possibly even get the better offense alignment? If Dotson develops into one of those great kinda guards, he's someone that had the highest run blocking great out of anyone I believe he had the highest run blocking grade. Out of any of the interior offense lineman into this year's past draft. So when you look at both sides this deal Of course more unknowns in Miami, but does Minka adding that all pro top three safety right now in the NFL. Does that swing the deal completely in Pittsburgh's favor. Does it even matter what Miami gets here out of those guys that they drafted? It does not matter it really doesn't. You can say that it does in you play the IFS and buts in candy and nuts game, but the thing is you got an all pro. Out of Meka Fitzpatrick something. We've been talking about since covid nineteen started. And I've been saying this a lot and I've said, said this. The other day to the Indianapolis Colts didn't have a first round pick, but they did have a first round pick and his name was deforest buckner. The Los, Angeles Rams. Have a first round. Pick name Jalen Ramsey. And the Pittsburgh steelers have a first round. Pick by the name of making Fitzpatrick. So what I'm saying here. These guys are playing right away. A lot of these guys that are coming in as rookies will not be playing right away, and it will take some time you an all pro already out of Minka. Fitzpatrick you want some games that you wouldn't have already because you have make, it's Patrick. Patrick. He is possibly the cornerstone of that defense along with Watt, and along with the Bush. You have at your three primary positions on the defense you've got a young guy could be the face of the franchise and we that on a show, just a couple of weeks back, so Minka alone does it and when you look at the fact that you also got a fourth round, pick back. By the name of Kevin Dotson, you've got that guy back. You were able to do well with that pick. He could possibly be very good. I mean the fifth rounder. Hey, you don't know the third rounder. You don't know either, but with the first round pick. The guy that they brought in a number eighteen. It's just not. It's just not really enough especially when you're looking it at a Jackson coming in. What was he rated as far as tackles, go fifty six. So. You've got. A number one defensive back in the league. For that's a deal that you make every single day of the week and twice on Sundays. Right so in that sense before we move along the next trade, would you be more inclined to trade more first round picks now after the success of? Bring back that make it's Patrick is at. Do you think that make the steelers more willing to make deals like that for potentially someone that already has that that first season under their belt. No not really and I know. I just talked about it. I just talked about the. The dealing. For minkah Fitzpatrick in not worrying about having a number one pick, but here's the thing you look at those other guys that that teams got. They've got to find deals for those guys a whole lot quicker. It is very rare that you get a second year player. In, the by trade. And you know they only have I mean. We're talking the with only two weeks down in the two thousand nineteen season. They got this guy, so they got a guy that just came off his rookie season. Those guys don't get traded. This is an enigma and the reason it is because everybody knew. The Miami Dolphins were tanking for to a now. It ended up being thanking for Joe Borough or you didn't know and they ended up with a fifth round pick and they've got to. But what I'm talking about here. Is They were? They were not trying to win and we talked about this a little earlier on on the show. You had a guy in Minka Fitzpatrick. Seeing all these is getting traded talking about being traded, he said Look I. Don't WanNa be here if you're not playing to win. If. You're taking all our resources. I, don't WanNa. Be here to win, either so he's out there. They say go ahead and explore trade. Teams came calling. It was worth for the dolphins to make that trade for what they were practising. These trades don't come around very often. Jamal. Adams is going into his fourth season, right? Or is it his third season? He's going into Jamal Adams entering your your four year four. So that's not apples to oranges either. Because they're getting a guy. They're getting less time out of now. Lance mentioned earlier that you know. Hey, they. They might be talking deal and they might try to wrap them up soon. I'm sure they are, but. Players, like Fitzpatrick or any player that was drafted eleventh overall. Does not get traded in the next season. We saw with Josh Rosen. But that different deal because they had been number one overall pick and they weren't sold on Josh Rosen. This wasn't this had nothing to do. With the Miami Dolphins. Not being sold on this guy, this had everything to do with he not being happy in, we could pile up draft picks to build for the future. Right so then moving onto our next trait here, of course we already talked about kind of what happened with one side of the compensation without fifth round pick that the steelers that eventually ended up being nick van. Essentially the steelers traded Josh Dobbs Jaguars basically for nothing at this point now Do you think Do you think of Josh Oz was on this roster? The steelers potentially could have won more games last year, or was this kind of whatever move? This was a great move. At the time in the reason, it was a great move at the time is because I did not think that Josh Dobbs. Needed to be on the roster at the end of training camp last year I thought doc. Hodges should've been the third guy and a lot of people agreed with me, but this is where the steelers know so much more than I do. They knew that things happen. And you can go ahead and deal him where you can't deal. Is You can go ahead and play. The game and dot gets if duck get snapped up by another team. That's okay. But by doing what they did. They were able trade him right away. And they were able to trade him right after. Right after nick, foles went down. I mean at right after week one. He went down. They de they desperately need another quarterback. They didn't know what they had in the sixth round or Gardner Menchu I still don't know if they know what they have in Gardner Menchu. I think he could be a good player, but. So, they had to bring in a guy to back them up and that's. Exactly. What they Josh Dobbs but I don't think Josh. Dobbs would have won them anymore games 'cause Josh Dobbs did not win a game that they desperately needed when he came in in Oakland. He was he was dreadful in that Oakland game, and that was a very bad Oakland raiders team as well he could not do anything in that game, and that was a situation where they probably decided right then and there that they were moving on from him. That Mason Rudolph was their number two quarterback. And they were all said and done with them, but they were smart. Not to get. Rid of him. You didn't know that when they got rid of them. They did not know that they were gonna be desperate for another tight end at the time, just like the Jaguars were desperate. For A quarterback backup quarterback at the time. So you make that the old. I mean it's a successful deal you can't. You can't say anything about what happened on the back end trading that pick. Because you make that, the Oh, every single time. Right you know I tend to agree there I. Think Josh Dobbs, the writing was on the wall after that to Oakland performance of course, Ben had a comeback in after sustaining an injury. That game and I think after that moment I knew Mason Rudolph. Be that guy moving forward on moving forward with this list on the next trade we got here. The steelers is still haven't used the compensation yet, but last off season they traded away. Gerald Hawkins, the BUCCANEERS and a seventh round pick in twenty twenty one and they got back twenty twenty, one of their own. Don't really have to talk too much on this, but Gerald. Hawkins only played the one season last year in Tampa is still a free agent so basically. The steelers traded up for free. Obviously a big win there. Bryan you have anything you want to add to that. There was nothing I look. He still wouldn't be playing for the steelers. Gerald Hawkins, so for me. You're still giving up a seventh, but you're moving up to a sixth round next year. Great deal because the guys competing right now are going to be szucs. Core for in Zach Banner for that Tackle Position Hopkins was never going to. He was never going to compete for that. That's a free pick. Yeah no kidding, and then talking about free picks Here's one that I think. steelers fans hated at the time, but probably love now on the steelers of course, got a twenty nine hundred third round pick and a twenty nineteen fifth round pick, which equated to deontay Johnson and Zach Gentry in return for one of the greatest receivers in Franchise History Antonio Brown who today's the one year anniversary of him, dropping down in a blimp into Oakland for training camp, and then forty days later was no longer on this on that raiders team, and to this day still isn't in the NFL aside from that one game against the Patriots. do you think this is the greatest fleecing of a trade in steelers history in all honesty like at the time we thought were given up potentially the best player on the team for not a whole lot. A Nowa- in Tony Brownstone. The NFL. The steelers have deontay Johnson and a tight end that we don't really know what we have in him. So, what are your thoughts on that Brian? You know what there was no fleecing whatsoever. The steelers did not Fleece Oakland in this deal I will continue to say this. The steelers did not get fleeced either. The they had nobody. The steelers had no chance. They got what they got. A third and fifth. Because Antonio Brown, was holding this franchise hostage. Couple days before this trade was made, it looked like they were about to get the ninth overall pick from the buffalo bills. And, he nixed that he said nope not GonNa do it. and that's why that's why the bills. Pulled out of it. And that's fact that is something that has been brought up at the. It was very close to being made. It was I'm Brian I'm wrong I'm sorry got it was reported that it was done. Just didn't want to go. He did not WanNa go, so you know the Oakland Oakland? Oakland got screwed over not by the steelers, but got screwed over by Antonio Brown. As well you know the that whole situation bay got screwed over and. They got. They got nothing out of this guy. They lost a third. They lost a fifth of lost a lot of credibility, but they were victims. The steelers were victims. The steelers were lucky that they got out when they did, but there was no fleecing because they couldn't have made a better trade in fact as he kept on opening his mouth. You know at this point. His stock kept dropping and he was doing it on purpose. He was doing the George Costanza. How do I get fired from the New York Yankees? That's exactly what he was doing. He was trying to get fired he in fact. He hired people. When? He was in Oakland to figure out how he could get fired. And then he's dancing around a pool cone. Grandma, saying I'm free I'm free. And so that's really what happened, but the joke's on him now because he retires last week, then he wants to come back. He kind of on retires. He wants to come back. He is his own worst enemy, and it's really it's really sad with talent that he had I hope. The guy gets help. Couldn't agree more I guess all that's left to be set. We can move on the next trade now because Antonio. Brown is not worth talking about I don't know any anymore, but What we got next is one that I was a little surprised at Marcus Gilbert, getting sent to Arizona for six, which ended up being Ulysses Gilbert the third. This is an interesting one because of course Gilbert has battled injuries. He did a lot at the end there in his time in Pittsburgh. Continue to do so in Arizona Ulysses. Gilbert is going to be a guy. That's GonNa Swat in certain situations and could potentially take that starting job away from Vince Williams. Do you think you think this? Is Yours flat out or do still gotta wait on Ulysses Gilbert for season. I think it's I think it's going to be a win? You know because really the cardinals are not going to get much out of. Marcus Gilbert so actually. I didn't realize that was a Gilbert for Gilbert deal. was realize what you're saying it, so you know really. I mean. He didn't play at all last year. He's just not healthy. In fact I would not be surprised if he retires soon. In with the fact that you have you knew what you had in that filer, you were comfortable. You wanted to make him a starter. I don't even know how much of a future that Marcus Gilbert had in. Pittsburgh at this point, it's thank you for your. Great Service Store Organization, but it's time to move on from you, and that's exactly what happened in the situation so I. GotTa Say Right now that. It's a win. This is a win trade. I mean it might not end up being. Ulysses Gilbert might. Not Be anything, but a special teamer in Pittsburgh, or he could start, but the potential of that outweighs what you had. In a Marcus Gilbert. Right so moving forward here in our next trade. It's funny. Because the raiders and steelers have made a Lotta traits, involving wide receivers, the last half decade, or so on and the receiver that put up the most put up the most yards. simos catches the most touchdowns out of bull out of all three of the names that will touch on today is still on the steelers roster, and probably the the the one that people wouldn't to think. Think is the most productive of the three but Ryan. Switzer comes to the steelers from the raiders steals also picked up six round pick that they used for that fullback slash outside Linebacker, son Smith and the raiders got a fifth round pick, which was traded around a lot, which eventually ended up with Dallas, cowboys, selecting someone by the name of Michael, Jackson No, not that Michael Jackson nowhere near an untalented. Thank you Brian, now now. I sang on the record. So that's awesome. He's still Michael Jackson. The corner is still playing for the Niamey Dolf Art, not Miami Dolphins. He went to University of Miami. He's currently playing. For the Detroit, Lions only one year in Dallas for him, so Ryan's Ryan Switzer and son Smith cut so basically. This trade just ends up being Ryan Switzer back to the steelers. Do you make that trade again? I know steelers fans aren't a super hyped on him, but What do you think of that Ryan Switzer Trade, and does he still have a spot on this team? Boy? I tell you what that was a whirlwind I'm so confused on this trait. Is Sudden Smith ended up not being anything. I. Don't know much about Michael Jackson. In in Detroit Actually Dallas Detroit wears he. He was drafted by the cowboys. Spending on the cowboys got released now he's on Detroit. He's been on. He's been on the roster. I believe for two a season or so now. Yeah, I season He. He made it through all of twenty nineteen, so he's still on their officer at any. It wasn't just practice. He was a member of their fifty three. In switzer was traded, was drafted by the cowboys traded to the raiders or released or traded I. Think I think he was traded twice is yes, so you know so? Switzer is one of those guys that. He's he's the guy right now that everybody going to. Go crazy over there going how they should cut the guy how they don't like him, but the the franchise see something more than we do. Ben Rothlisberger. See something. In him more than than we do, but as your fifth guy, if you sneak him on that roster I mean excuse me if you sneak them on the field on third. Third and two. You can get three out of that guy with just a quick pass when you have other guys getting getting covered crazy 'cause that is I mean with those tight ends with the. With the trust that Ben has in him any. He does not have bad hands. He's pretty good hands. He's just everybody calls them. electric football and I get that but. Really if you can get three yards out of the guy, he's got a. he could possibly do something for you. I'm GONNA mentioned somebody. Somebody in the live chat that is always on my side with when it comes to Ryan Switzer, and that's Donald. Nolan Donald is always on my side with him I think. He's a piece of the puzzle guy he's. He's maybe number forty five to fifty three as far as importance. But some someone like that could move the chains for you, so he's got very good. Good hands in what they don't be shocked if he is returning punts or kicks again for this team because of his hands. That's why he was there the reason he wasn't doing it. Last year was not because of any explosiveness. He was there because they could trust them in they. It seems like they have this theory I don't completely agree with, but they would much rather have a good hands guy, and put it in the hands of the quarterback than have somebody. Dropped the ball whether their explosive or not in, give give the ball back in great field position. And have your defense on the field, so that's kind of seems like what they want to do in that position. So I mean I would probably say right now that maybe advantage steelers on that, but it's pretty close to a wash because i. just don't know who Michael Jackson is. So you know look at Ryan Switzer to he, of course, oppose that pitcher of himself looking absolutely shredded. He's been busing, but this off season so power to them if he's going to, if he's going to go all out buses, but were to make this team good for him. If. He can bounce back at and steelers. Fans begin like again then even better so Pulling for Ryan Switzer course if he's better, he makes his team better really no reason for the extra but Tom Moving forward who we have an interesting trae because Jj Wilcox and the picks involved him. Kind of branch out into numerous trades over the last. Between twenty, fifteen and twenty seventeen and there's a lot of move. Going around, but the most basic trait here. For Wilcox was still getting him back. Who? Not being much more than a backup and special teams player, and then a twenty nineteen seventh rounder, which end up being Derwin Gray. Who Still on this roster? The got a six rounder which being Jack. WHO's linebacker still on that team only has five career tackles. Do, you think the steelers needed to make that trade for JJ Wilcox. He he at first, we kind of expected him to be more starter. Play a little bit more between Sean, Davis and Mike. Mitchell the time you think that was a trade, even worth committing, or was that just kind of a waste? I think that trade was kind of a waste. I understood what they were trying to do at the time, but it didn't make a whole lot of sense now I'm not GonNa lie to you. I was excited about it at the time. I remember calling up people here. It'd be tse and being really pumped about it, but it just didn't work. I thought it was a bad trade. Right and then moving forward or backward rather a little bit more, there The steelers have made a lot of like really kinda low lower end trades There's one that's a little bit interesting. Though they shipped off Ross Cockrell, who was starter? I believe for season on the steelers when our defensive backfield was really quite talented, of course, being completely sarcastic there, but they moved out Ross Cockrel, and what they go back is the conditional. Conditional seventh round pick. They used that pick to trade with Seattle to move up three more picks to select a guy by the name of Mason Rudolph. Now of course rocks Ross Cockrell didn't really do anything in New York. We didn't really do a whole lot in Pittsburgh either other than get torched here there, but Do you think that the that trade was super necessary to move ahead I believe they jumped over Cincinnati get Mason Rudolph. All things considered. Is that when they had to make her? They stood pat in two, thousand, eighteen, and still gotten are their quarterback. Well. Here's the with that Michael Beck that trade was made the day before the Wilcox trade was made. So, this was this was a cut down day trade in two thousand seventeen, so this was your Labor Day weekend? Trade where guys are GONNA move. They really thought that they had something special in already burns because a lot of people don't realize already burns rookie. He made all rookie. In of the all rookie team after his first year, it just went downhill after that. So when you're looking at the fact that you think you have a superstar. Or You? Have you made a great pick the year before? Then you you. You. Don't worry about the guys you have around as far as depth you go with that guy, so this is I'm GonNa. Open up a huge can of worms here. I know I'm going to do it Michael. But you go back to nineteen ninety and everybody claims about the steelers, not complains about the steelers, not drafting Emmett Smith and trading down four spots to the cowboys to get. An extra pick. It didn't work out, but they just drafted a guy that they really like and had a good rookie season for seven hundred seventy seven yards in Tim Wurley at the running back position, so they were never going to bring in a guy like Emmitt Smith because they had. They're running back who they spent up first rounder on the year before so in this this goes back to this situation they had just spent. The just been a number one pick on a corner the year before. And they turn around. And they don't think that they need Cockrell anymore, so they make that deal I think this is a decent deal to make. And they were able to go ahead and get the backup quarterback of the future that they wanted who became a starting quarterback in two thousand and nineteen because of circumstances. Whether you like Mason Rudolph or not. That's that's a trade that you're going to make. You're going to trade up for that extra third round. Pick to go ahead and get a guy like that. Because this guy, they had a first round grade on so as far as the cockerel trade huckle trade was good trade. And it helped aid in the in another trade. Except actually, so when we're looking at first part of that Mason Rudolph deal. He was of course brought in with a third round pick. That originally wasn't even steeler. It was a raiders. Pick on, steelers sent Martavis, Bryant, over just another receiver that flamed out of the NFL, once he ended up on the raiders roster from the steelers. of course Martavis Bryant trying to make a comeback again report reports have come out that he's not trying to come back in twenty twenty, but might try to make those steps back in twenty twenty one, but the steelers, Del Mace Martavis Bryant straight up to the raiders, third round pick in two thousand eighteen of course trade ended up working pretty well, because Bryant is no longer in the raiders, but essentially this boils down to Martavis Bryant and Mason Rudolph, do you think it when you compare those two names? Do you think do think the steelers are the winner? Stop sitting here today. Absolutely, look, you're nobody got anything. The raiders hardly got what they three hundred yards out of them one touchdown. were. Maybe a little more than that I wouldn't even know his stats, but they didn't get a lot out on whatsoever. There were reports that he failed so many drug tests, but not just because he felt him because he skipped them, too. So, he skipped a lot of drug tests as well so and that's an automatic failure in the eyes of the League in it I mean like if you're not if you're gonNA skip one that means you have something to hide. And that's the problem here. So he was gonNA fail either way so I. Guess he would rather skip the test. Then you know failing it because if you're in trouble either way. He smoked his way out of the League He might have done a little more that we don't know about, but it's. It's just a shame. I hope he gets his head on straight and comes back. I don't care if he comes back with Pittsburgh if if he had if the steelers evaluate them in two thousand and twenty one and they feel that he could help this Organization for approval deal. Yeah, you bring a guy like that back, but Josh Gordon has never done anything really special with all the chances that he's gotten. He has never been that same guy. Maybe the only time he was. The same guy was when it was against the steelers. He plays well against the steelers, but. You, just have a situation where. He's damaged because of the choices that he made so. Yeah. You're gonNA take, Mason. Rudolph whether you like Mason or not. Whether you feel. He got messed up in that myles Garrett incident whether you feel that he's never going to be a starter. They got a better end of it and of the deal. That's that's you make look those draft draft picks don't always work out. For some reason or other, there's a lot higher draft picks for a lot of teams. That didn't work out. We complain about the at Jarvis Jones deal. I mean Jarvis Jones. Drafting all the time, but. The steelers have a lot less as far as bad draft picks as well Michael. Not True, it is true, and then I guess moving forward here. We have a couple of trades that I think kind of go hand in hand because it ended up with the steelers of course making that deal for JJ Wilcox. The first of the two deals here if I have it right, so the steelers they. They picked up Justin Gilbert the browns they sent them. They're six around pick and the steelers end up getting that six round. Pick back in a deal when they sent sammie coates to the browns so sitting here now, the steelers got Justin. Gilbert a six round pick that they traded away for Jj Wilcox and what they ended up giving away an being sammie coates essentially, and that is about it. Justin Gilbert is one of those interesting players. Really did a whole lot on the steelers Sammie coates. That was one of those picks were. All of the stimulus after so well, but then that was one that kind of didn't work out and kind of sweep under the rug when it comes to drafting receivers, and then of course Jj Wilcox being the guy that's coming back. You think the steelers should've been bothered drafting for Justin Gilbert or was that? Was that just another? Signed of the steelers struggled so much at addressing and finding cornerback talent. You know here's the thing on that deal. I like that deal at the time to. Deep down the back of my mind I didn't think it was gonNA. Work Out but I was hoping that. It's Cleveland and Cleveland doesn't know how to manage players. Justin Gilbert from what I heard was a guy that just didn't WanNA play football. His heart was never in it. And he had, he had the talent, Oklahoma, state he was a high draft pick I'm glad the steelers didn't draft him didn't get an opportunity to draft him because if they had an opportunity, probably would have. He ended UP BEING FOOLS GOLD FOR THE CLEVELAND Browns. He just did not work out. He looked like an amazing prospect, and we just talked about guys drafted a whole lot higher fail. In this is a guy that just failed yet. Take your take a flyer on them, and it's not bad to take a flyer, but you look at the guys that we're talking about here. Gilbert Coats Wilcox no one's really winner here it's it's I mean. It's a draw. Yeah yeah it really is I. Think you find a lot of times? In these most recent trades, the steelers are typically the most obvious. or it's kind of a wash. Kevin Colbert just does a really fantastic job I think when it comes to trading. He understands his players values, and he isn't typically the guy at sending away a big name player. Maybe that's because the steelers were may be too stubborn to try to trade away on Bell, but You know. Think I think the organization has done a really good job of making those trades, and bringing in talent, and being either at the very least a complete washer trade, or or a landslide victory we, we can touch on a couple more here. I'll kind of leave out some the kind of black players that just ended up being practice squad for practice squad kind kind of guys but One name that still roster here is when the steelers traded for Vance McDonald. Nelson picked up a fifth round. Pick in that deal with the forty niners which end up being Marcus Allen who still a team? However, he is fighting for his NFL life off season. This training camp we'll just gave away was a fourth round pick in two thousand eighteen that ended up being contagious street, who has four career tackles Marcus Allen of course to so basically this seems like a wash of to kind of depth, players, practice, squad, type, guys, and then Vance McDonald. Being the can the key here coming back to the steelers. Is Vance mcdonagh was out a giant win as it looks like. As Vance McDonald really made that big of an impact on the steelers team. That's a huge. The that is a huge deal. Vents MacDonald has had contributions to the steelers. The one year that he and Jesse James were together. They combined for over a thousand yards and for I believe it was about six seven touchdowns. That's good production out of a tight end His time here is not done. He look how he looked in that Seattle game last year, if healthy. He can. He can still remain with the team. They brought Hebron into. Work to basically make one giant great tight end, between Lebron and McDonald so now this is a win of a trade I. Mean you? You're looking at guys like street. That hasn't done much. Marcus Allen than might have not much either, but they're not the. They're not the players in the steel. Vance McDonald and you have to guys washing each other out and he's still donald. That's a win every single time. Absolutely so I think we've got two more deals on that. I want to touch on here. And both are big slap in the face losses, I would say for the steelers. The I two of this list. Oh goodness. The steelers gave away to the Jaguars six pick WHO ended up being quarterback, Brennan Alan never actually played a game in the NFL, but you might be wondering. How could the steelers lose a trade? When they basically gave up nothing it's because the they got a completely cost. Them wins in Josh. Gobi I guess the only positive that can be brought in here was that it did end in Chris Boswell, but making a trade gave away a six round pick for a guy that costs the steelers games cost that huge game against the Ravens. Is this the worst trade? The steelers have made recent memory. You know and that's a great thing. If this is the worst trade that they've made a you, know they. They lost on a kicker. You had to make that deal you had bring somebody in. You weren't losing like who Alan. What was his name Brady Allen, what was this guy's name? Brand! Brennan! Allen, okay it really our. Yeah, they still they lost steal. Because you still have to make the deal. You gotta bring a kicker in the they were between. Losing them. Then they lost Hartley had bring another guy in the fourth guy. They finally hit on, but You know they thought they were getting established guy. They weren't getting established guy with Basel. There was a lot of. Worried people when Boswell I started, and then the they got the guy that they got so. Yes, Gobi was the that was an awful deal. You make it at the time. If you, have the time machine and go back and say no. This isn't going to work out. Guys look at somebody else. But at the time they had to make the deal, but it ended up being an audio. Yeah, it really did so. Let's let's touch on one more trade here. That was brutal. Maybe you can also talk some sense into me on this one. When the steelers God Brandon Boykin I thought he was someone that was an outstanding corner I even loved him when he was on the steelers. It seemed when he was actually playing. He was picking up interceptions and I was really shocked. He didn't play more, but what the Eagles got. Got Back for that for that pick and being I'm not even GonNa Attempt, saying his whole first name, but of tie the guard who is a super bowl champion just outside a five year fifty million dollar deal with the Detroit Lions. He's one of the top guards in football. So that is a slap in the face. because how talented vitae is, but do you think? Boykin was underrated? The steelers use them right or was this. Even more of a flop than I. Think it is. So my thought on that is you know I saw what they were doing when they made the trade. I was excited about that trade to get excited over trades, but here's the thing. He flamed out here. It's not. The fact that they didn't use them right, they tried to use them. He just didn't have a place. He wasn't good enough to have a place when he left. He wasn't good enough to have a place anywhere else either. So five super bowl champ. He just got another deal. This was the worst deal that the steelers made. Of. The you mentioned this Gobi deal. This is the worst deal that they made. But when we're talking about all these deals, it seems like they came out winners so much more, and if you tally and what Michael I don't know if you've tally them up, but it seems like Kevin Colbert China's game. Now I haven't got those official numbers yet, but yeah it. Seems like there's twenty trades there. It seems like the steelers won fifteen had three washes, and then lost to, and I think if you're doing that then your organization is doing well as the Pittsburgh steelers have been. They've been one of the top organizations dating back to nineteen seventy, so it's. It's obvious why Why they've been so successful over both of our lifetimes, so it's when you have guys like Kevin Colbert. Manning the ship you know. The steelers are going to be a team that's competing for super bowl each and every year, because he simply makes good deals, and that's what it comes down to. That's the name of the game for being GM. Absolutely so I think this was a really good exercise for us to look at the fact that you see you still have something very special in the general manager you. It looks like the steelers don't make trades a whole heck of a lot a lot of them. They're wheeling and dealing a whole lot more, but it's just like the guy when I do. I. Do you know so when he does? He does it right? So there you go Kevin Colbert is probably one of your MVP's over the past decade. Just as well. Thing Michael froze up a little bit there so with that being said thanks to everybody in the live chat coming up tonight. Actually today, but if you're watching this on Youtube, this is Sunday as you know if you're listening to it on any of our platforms. Out There you got. Your back in. We heard that. That's an. Ono is actually a swearing-in Canadian so but. Know for Michael But So I'm going to thank everybody for coming in and checking it out for us tonight. actually today I keep wanting to say tonight, but thanks for coming in and supporting family of podcast. We really appreciate it as no. We can't do it without you. Michael Back. Thank you so much for coming in on the Sunday show. My pleasure. Thanks. Thanks for having me. It was fun. We got this Brian. I love him up with Michael Back. It seems like seems like a bad internet day, but that's okay, though we'll fix that on the other end, but with that being said, thank you so much my friends thank you Michael Beck we will talk to you tomorrow on the on the steelers Q. and A. and we'll have a retro show. It'll be Tony and myself then on Tuesday. It's going to be the skull. Skull grows that Stat Geek and the Michael and Lance will be back together on Wednesday, and that is going to be. 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Let's Ride: Why the Steelers draft class is for now, not later

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Let's Ride: Why the Steelers draft class is for now, not later

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We're still trying to figure out what the steelers have with this draft class in twenty twenty. One i'm going to talk about big alejandro villanueva comments and i've got a little bone to pick with some people on social media not individuals. I'm not gonna call anybody out like that. But i do have some issues. It's kind of like the airing of grievances on seinfeld. I've got a lot of issues with you people and you're going to hear about it. Yeah some of you are going to hear about it at the very end of my heart to heart save. But let's start out like i always do. I just want to send a reminder to everyone out there if you're a steelers fan and you love content and that's written that's audio doesn't matter what the form it is. My gosh behind this to occurred dot com should be your one stop shop for all things steelers on top of that. Make sure that wherever. You're going for your podcasts. 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But let's talk about this draft class. The headline the title of this show is why the steelers draft class is for now not later and this might sound a little bit off. The wall. People might be listening to saying jeff. I don't know if you got that right. Did you read that correctly. Why the steelers draft class is for now not later. Maybe that's a little deceiving when you hear my overall thoughts on this so hear me out before you go ahead and judge so when you look at the nfl draft used to have a slogan net. Is that the future is now. We have these images that we use for certain articles behind the steel curtain dot com. Where it's from the drafts of past and it says the future is now boy. Is that correct. The future is now because when people need understand about the nfl draft. Yes you are drafting for the future but if you think for a second that you're drafting for anything more than that specific year you are crazy a you literally. Don't pay attention and it might just be because you kind of fall into these lulls fans follow these laws. Where they're thinking about okay. I'm thinking about three years down the road. I'm not sure why you are. Nfl teams. Don't they're worried about right now. They're worried about this season when they pick mainly in the first three rounds they're expecting players they can help them right now. Not three years down the road right. Now if they draft a player that's quality. He's going to help them out for the next four plus years but the draft slogan the future is now is very poignant. I think that when you plan for you still do plan for the future. I don't want people to think that. I'm getting my messages crossed. You you do plan for the future. But unless you're someone like the jacksonville. Jaguars in their incomplete rebuild mode. I mean completely rebuilding tear down. Build it back up then unless you're a team like that you're drafting for now. Don't worry about the future it'll take care of itself. You're drafting for right now. So what i did is. I went back and i looked at the last four draught classes. That includes this twenty twenty one draft. And i just broke it down looking at players. I think you would consider their now picks and then there's future picks and what that means is that there's players that they're expected to be able to contribute now and then there's players that are looking at okay. You're just supposed to contribute in the future and again you might look at some of these picks in the future and say well wait a second. There's on the team that's fine. That's great they're doing their job. They also you might look and say well. Why would they make this pick. It might be filled the spot of someone that didn't pan out that that was drafted before them. So let's do this the right way. Let's start in two thousand eighteen k two thousand eighteen in the first round the steelers take terrell edmonds. Then they go with james washington. Mason rudolph chook sikora for marcus allen jalen samuels and joshua frazier defensive. Tackle out of alabama. No longer team. Everyone else is still a member of the steelers. When you look at that draft class you can see that. The top two picks edmonds in washington. Were now picks. They were picks that were supposed to be able to help out right now. Edmonds was a again. I'm not saying that when they drafted trump is expected him to start right away. They didn't expect him to start. Right away morgan. Burnett could stay healthy and he was forced to start in. It didn't didn't hurt him. It didn't hurt him at all. he's still a member of team. James washington. I don't know if anyone expected in the come in in just be a superstar but they expected to contribute and he did in his i. It wasn't a big contribution because that was the year the end antonio brown was still around but still james washington did contribute some as a rookie. Everyone else though future picks it. They're looking at okay. Can we get these players to contribute at some point down the road and when you look at it they have mason. Rudolph has played szucs a core for the starting tackle right now. Marcus allen saw significant playing time last season when devon bush was heard jalen samuels has had his moments. Those are good pigs because they are future picks that have panned out. So let's go to the two thousand and nineteen. Nfl draft in two thousand and nineteen. This is when they traded up for devon bush in the third round. They take diontae johnson. Justin lane they get benny snell. Zach gentry sutton. Smith isaiah bugs yuji. Three let's go third endure when gray. That was a huge does a lot of draft picks in that draft and they even traded some away so again look at these devin bush. You trade up to to pick number ten yes. He's a now pick. You're expecting to come in and play right away. He did deontay johnson. I would even say that. He was a now pick. They expected him to come in and contribute in some way and he did whether it's special teams or as a wide receiver. Everyone else in that class would be considered a future. Pick someone that they're like. Okay kinda project. It's going to take some time. We're going to go away and we're going to figure out if we can get them a spot. Justin lane still looking for his shot might be getting this year. Benny snell never really panned out. He's still on the team. He doesn't seem like he's any more than a backup. Zach gentry got hurt last year. He missed all of them all the season with a knee injury. Who knows if he's even going to make the team this year after they take pat farm in the first in the second round of twenty twenty one sudden smith. Everyone had huge hopes for sutton. Smith doesn't even make the team gets cut. Isaiah bugs he might be on the bubble now after the steelers trade into the fifth round and take isaiah louder milk. We'll talk about him in a second but he was as a player that is still contributed in some way shape or form since he's been drafted yuji. Three can't stay healthy. He has all the potential and promise in the robot. He can't stay healthy and derwin gray. Who was a cast off. Pick no one thought he would do anything. Spent some time on the practice squad played. They had to cut him due to moving some pieces on the roster he up getting picked up. He's actually on an nfl roster. I think the last. I heard he was in cincinnati. Maybe i could be wrong but derwin gray is still in the nfl. And so you had devon bush. Diontae johnson were now picks. And everyone else future picks. So let's go to last season. Twenty twenty that was only a really small draft class only six players. When you look at you chase claypool. Alex highsmith kevin dotson. Anthony mcfarland antoine brooks in carlos davis claypool and highest smith and dotson. I don't think that when the pig was. Let me rephrase that claypool highsmith were now picks when the pigs were made. I don't think anyone thought kevin dotson was going to do what he did. I didn't i absolutely. Didn't i saw him a. He's a future pick. That could maybe fill in for. Ramon foster could maybe fill in for a. We knew the going to flex to guard before last season. But maybe to castro's future replacement he was a future guy claiborne. Highsmith were expected to contribute whether a special teams. I think we all thought claypool had a spot on the offense and he proved that he was worthy of that spot. Then you've mcfarland brooks davis. They all made the team. They're all still on the team. They were future. Picks looking back at it now. You kid kevin johnson and you say well he's actually pick. Because i think that there are some i'm not saying i'm one of these people that thought that he was maybe the best offensive lineman they had. It was a small sample size. The steelers really didn't trust him out there and big moments but still he was consistent. He was a very consistent player. In hindsight he definitely could be considered a now. Tick not a future bit but when the pick happened. I think it was a future pick. So let's look at this year's draft class the class is still so fresh in remind nine players selected and let's see who could be considered now picks and then picks ever more for the future picks that we are expecting them to come in and play significant snaps in some way shape or form for the steelers this season. That's the definition of a now pack compared to those that were looking at maybe inactive on game day. Maybe they don't make the team. Maybe they are someone that you're looking at and saying this guy maybe can contribute somewhere down the road. So let's start. Nause harris pat fryer kendrick. Green those your top. Three picks dan more buddy johnson. Isaiah louder milk quincy rochet trae norwood and pressley harvard. So let's talk about now. Picks who out of the nine would fall into the now category. We'll nashi here is number one. Yes he's a now pick. I'm not saying that he's going to be well. I think he will be. I'm not going to predict it. But i think he will be the three down bell belco back for the steelers but if they designed to spell him with benny snell only in the season sprinklings anthony mcfarland maybe sees jalen samuels as an h back with matt canada. Because he's familiar with that scheme. I wouldn't i wouldn't be shocked but i think that nauseous is going to very large role in this team. In this offense and twenty twenty one. Pratt pat fryer. M- youth frothy meath from penn state. Second round pick. He's a now pick as well clearly. They weren't happy with eric ebron. Advance mcdonagh retires. So zach entry. Nope he's not the answer Kevin reiter no probably not and they didn't go out and get a free agent tight end. Someone like jesse. James will still out there tyler. I for those being tossed around that. They were rumored to the steelers or anything like that but there was a gaping hole a tight end so they take meet in the second round. He feels that whole. That also means that he's going to be a now pick in a big way barring injury barring him not being able to block the nfl level knob being able to understand concepts at the nfl level but he played at penn state. That's a big time kalija program. I have no doubt that he's going to be able to come in and contribute as a rookie he's in albuque- he is a now pick now gets a little dicey kendrick green. Is he a center. Is he a guard. He did not play center that much in college. I didn't realize this until our own Cliff is still a punk. Or kevin smith have ever gov. He's one of our film. Guys are behind the steel curtain dot com. He did the breakdown on green. And i read it. And i'm looking at the film that he put in there and he's he all the video showed a only very few. I think he only played center in four games so thanks. Yeah he's center. That's going to be the center. Do we really know that or is he. Maybe a backup center in can flex to guard and they want to address center. Maybe next year he gives them options but he announced pickers future brick. I think he's a now pick. I think he's a now pick because they might need him more ways than one. We'll put it that way. David decastro struggles or if he gets hurt. Maybe he's the guard maybe he's the first guy in. I don't think it's joe hague. He's more of a tackle guy. I know they said he can flex the guard. I'm not try by that has our. Bj finney well. You'd have to make a decision if someone gets hurt. A guard are you to move. Bj finney to guard input kendrick. Green at center is kendra. Green gonna win the center job outright. These are questions. Kendrick green now gives them some versatility. I'm not sold on jaycee dugard center make that very clear. I've made that clear before he added you bang attention just not a big jc our fan. So i think the kendra greens and now pick. He was picked to help out this season. Twenty twenty one. Is there anyone else. Because now we get into day three picks there anyone in day three that i view as a now pick. There's only one there's only one and that's presley harvard. My my boy. Big press. Because i think that he can not only beat out jordan very he can be the punter for the long term and he can do that now. Specialist kickers longs of only the steelers draft a long snapper in the six round. And that's my boy call and jojoba but still presley. Harvard should be able to beat out jordan berry. And if he does he'll be the punter he'll be the punter you only keep one so yes absolutely. He's a now pick if they give big f because we know jordan varies a weasel. And when he when you have a weasel he'll find his way back he did it. Last week last year with colquitt he could do it again with harbin but if i e r presley harbin burs if presley harbin beats out jordan varied. And there's no doubt in my mind that he will be announced picks that leaves dan more offensive. Tackle buddy johnson. Great article ran yesterday on behind his current dot com film. Breakdown of buddy johnson. I highly recommended to anyone. That loves that type of subs to see what you got with. Buddy johnson you need to check out that article that was written by kevin smith. He really breaks down how he could be the future inside linebacker next to devin bush. And it'd be those two and they're very athletic. That's a good thing. Isaiah louder milk. I don't think anyone in their right mind believes that he's a now pick Quincy rochet could contribute on special teams. But if you go back and look at all these other players. Whether it's benny snell whether it's jalen samuels marcus allen whether it's your antwon brooks it's not that these players didn't contribute as rookies. It said they weren't expected to be significant players on the on the roster. I hope that makes sense. I do think once he might see some time at outside linebacker. I do think that he's gonna play special teams. But i don't think they're going to count on him. Barring injury i agree the same with trae norwood future pick. He's versatile he is what mike tomlin called a swiss army knife in the secondary. He can play safety. He can play cornerback and so they're gonna utilize him in some way shape or form. No doubt about it. So you look at traynor would and that makes more johnson. Louder milkshake norwood. All future picks for the steelers they will contribute in some way shape or form but their future picks and this is kind of. Let's bring it all the way back around. I hope that everyone understands that when you look at the nfl draft a lot of people say well. This player could be good in a few years. The history shows that not necessarily always feasible. So look at two thousand and nineteen draft. Benny snell hey. This guy could be good in a few years. What they do in two thousand twenty one they just running back. They just took a running back and now. You're looking at benny snell playing out his rookie contract and he'll be going elsewhere. I really really doubt that. He'll stay in pittsburgh And then you look at other positions where you have players that were drafted in then a year later. They took another player the same position. Look at isaiah bugs. Isaiah bugs was a ads trying to find it here. I lost it. He was he was in the later rounds. I think he was a sixth round draft. Pick out of alabama and. You're like okay bugs. He had a lot of sacks for the crimson tide could he possibly be a guy that develops in the future and he's a big time player. You think that at the time and then what do they do. They trade into the fifth round of the twenty twenty one. nfl draft. They give up a twenty twenty two fourth round. Pick to get isaiah louder milk outta wisconsin's please tell me how that actually works. Bugs or mondo or carlos davis who was a seventh round. Pick and twenty twenty. They could be off the roster this year because of that so we love to say with the future pick. This could be good in a few years until they draft. Someone that they think is better. That's just the way the nfl draft is now. You don't have the luxury of waiting around six or seven years till you just can't do that. They've got to be. Nfl ready they've got to be nfl ready. And that's one of the reasons. Why the steelers do focus on mainly the power five schools because they are the most. Nfl ready players coming into the draft. You look at last this number one graphic nashi harris. If you watched the road to the pros documentaries he talked about how he had with teams and they were asking him questions about protections and things like that and he kept on telling these coaches guys. I went to alabama. I know all this stuff. I might call it a different thing. For instance you might call a left. Blogging for instance as a pass blocker as running back. If he has to slide to the left. You might call it lucy. He might have called it lefty. It's the same thing. It's just different terminology because alabama's like the nfl team just collegiate level may run the same principles. Same type of offense in. That's why those players are coveted in the nfl. So don't fool yourself the. Nfl draft is not for the future. The future is now meaning. Who can help me right now. Especially for a team like the steelers. The steelers aren't messing around. They wanna win right now and they wanna find players that can help them win right now and that's the case every single year. I hope that made sense in the second half. It's going to get a little feisty going to warn you it's going to get a little feisty we've got some talk about some big al comments and we're gonna talk about some of these we'll be right back support for this episode comes from locker room the app. That's changing the way we talk. Sports locker room as a sports fans dream come true. It's a live audio platform that lets you connect with other fans experts. And even the athletes themselves locker room makes it easy to start your own conversations. Talk about the latest rumors takes news and teams you care about most join massive watch parties for all of your friends to react together in real time as you celebrate buzzer beater or suffer the agony of a crucial bricks. Free throw. and if you've got a bunch of supremely spicy takes you like to fire off during luck you can even record the conversations if you want and released them as a podcast to. It's time to start thinking about catchy. Titles it's all totally free and available at the. Irs store right now so go. Download it today. Locker room changing the way we talk sports. All right pittsburgh zula fans welcome back to the second segment of let's ride. I'm your host. Jeff harbin here for the second segment of this monday wednesday friday. Podcast every monday. Wednesday and friday at five o'clock eastern time is when this goes out and the co editor roberta steel curtain dot com. You didn't know that by now but still. We have a lot to talk about still to finish out this friday show. I hope you have a great weekend planned by the way it's for me. It's a rest and recover weekend after last weekend. The nfl draft is so long and grueling for people who cover a team. I don't care if you're a blogger that gets paid. I don't care if you run a website. Like i do or if you are a credited writer from some newspaper i don't care it's a long weekend so this is a restaurant. Recover weekend for me but the news on wednesday was interesting. We'll put it that way. Big our one hundred villain wave. I was asked about this in my tuesday mailbag segment and that was. What do you think about villanueva. Going to the ravens. Is it something we should be concerned with. Is this something that is you know we're looking at is does the steelers have an advantage knowing alejandro villanueva and i answered the question and i was honest about it but then he has his first press conference with the ravens and the media. They're you know they're going to ask him a lot about the steelers you know. They're going to ask him about the military because the baltimore media contingent hasn't had the chance to really ask him these questions. Now there are some that. Cover like for instance. Espn writers nfl network people. They've covered him at all wherever he's been because they might cover the entire. Afc north but there were so comments that were made by villanueva. That i was kind of. Wow i can't believe that you know. I can't believe he said that but at the same time. Let me explain i. He was asked about why he came to baltimore. Why did he choose baltimore. Well the first thing he says that the steelers made it very clear once the season was over that they did not have an interest in bringing him back. I found that interesting. I feel like that was the situation. Maybe where they said. Hey we can't offer you as much as some of these other teams are so you have the green light to go look and maybe we can bring you back. But it's not gonna be for what you're expecting the starting left tackle and we're not probably going to promise you that you would start either it so he's probably looking at the writing on the wall saying i don't wanna come back to this situation. I wanna play. I've been started here. Ever since i got that job as a starter i i wanna play in. So the steelers were never an option. But why did he go to the ravens. Here's what he said. Quote the fact that i knew the ravens is a team that plays hard a team that plays afc north type football. And i get a chance to play the steelers as well with something that motivated me coming here for shore. Oh oh okay all right. I my ears perked up a little bit. My ears perked up a little bit. He little shots fired there at the steelers meaning. He knew he was going to get a shot at the team that maybe he felt that they kind of turned their back on him. Maybe he felt today. He was still playing at a high level and they didn't value him. Let's forget about the fact that the salary cap dipped and you really couldn't pay a left tackle starting left tackle money but that's neither here nor there. Then all of a sudden yeah. He was asked about his time in the service why he left the military But then more red flags went up when villanueva's asked about run blocking because he didn't do a ton of that in pittsburgh let's be honest. He was more of a pass blocker in. He's still good at pass blocking. Here's what he says. I'm assuming it's not as much fun. Running the ball for the receivers because they're not getting all the catches they're making the tiktok in there having fun on their social media and shots fired. Everybody shots are fired. Right across the dow. If you're the steelers if you're someone like juju smith schuster chase claypool eric. Ebron you're saying he says what he said what. Oh my gosh now zach. Banner kinda tried to calm down the fan base a little bit and said al is living in your heads rent-free right now l. o. L. e. o. g. Already i wish him. Well congrats on a great career in the steel city. That's great jack. Thanks thanks we can think for ourselves. We can think for ourselves and then he got jerry of the pittsburgh post gazette anne. Here's a war veteran. Who is of decorated war veteran. Who goes to a new team and says these things and people just turned their back on. It speaks volumes about the fan base. Well you know what jerry you know what jerry. I got a couple of comments for you. And i've got a couple comments for our one hundred villanueva allah hundred villanueva. I still don't hate you man because you're with a new team. You gotta say what you're supposed to say. Did i think you were going to say that. No did i think he would just tell the company line say. Hey i'm not gonna talk about pittsburgh i'm just gonna focus on my time in baltimore. I'm gonna try to make the ravens the best team that they can be did. I think that's what you're gonna say. Yes you chose not to go that route. Guess what you also did. You gave the steelers some bulletin board material so when the steelers play the ravens. Guess what's going to be in your face. A bunch of microphones. You're going to answer some questions. And you're going to have a motivated steelers team to go out there and shut you up. T. j. watt will be ready to shut you up period. That that's is how it's gonna work out that's how it's gonna work out. But then jerry dulack his comment on twitter. I mean i want to read it verbatim. I wanna give jerry the benefit of that here okay. So here's a dulack. Says he says all of a sudden who served three tours of duty in afghanistan and stands up for his is a villain in bad guy because fans think he took a few folks at their beloved football team. That's all you need to know about some fans. Well jerry gerbera. Let me explain this to you. And i said this on twitter you can follow me on twitter at j. h. Ertms underscore pat. I said let me make something very clear. I've said this before. I'll say it again. I'll probably upstate a million other times in that is i root for the pittsburgh steelers. I do not root for individual players. Do i hope those players succeed. Yes why because they're steelers because they are pittsburgh steelers if they leave or when they leave they are no longer steelers. Therefore i do not care i guarantee you. Mike tomlin if he was as it. What do you think about big al hundred illinois waves comments. I don't care. He's on a member of my team anymore. I appreciate the work that he is here but he's not here anymore. So i'm not saying he's dead to me but in 'cause i still do appreciate what he did for the country. I appreciate the worst stadium for the steelers he was very good very serviceable left. Tackle not take anything away from him. But i'm not going to sit here as a steeler fan and say oh okay well whatever. It really doesn't matter because big our hundred villanueva can say whatever he wants. He can see what everyone's i root for the steelers. I don't root for individual players. Do i have players that. I enjoy watching absolutely everyone. That's listening to me. There's a big ben roethlisberger fan. I've always liked rothlisberger since he was drafted in two thousand and four but at the same time if rothlisburger were to leave. I don't know let's say he goes to the houston. Texans i literally just put a name out of a hat in my head. He goes to the houston texans next year and finished his career. Houston am i going to root for the texans. No no. i'm not. If ben talk. Bad about kevin colbert and mike tomlin. Am i gonna care. No am i going to have to write the story. Yes but am i gonna care. No i'm not gonna care. I really don't care big. Al can say whatever he wants like. I said earlier he has to. He's in news city really since he came into the nfl. He was with philly for a cup of coffee as defensive lineman and then pittsburgh picks them up and turns into a left tackle. He's been in pittsburgh ever since and so. He's in a new city with new expectations. He's going to say things that maybe rub his former team the wrong way. I don't blame him. I don't blame him for because he's got to try to find his niche with this new team and he's gonna talk about running the ball more he might take some jabs whatever. Whatever i'm a fan of the steelers not individual players. If the. I don't know how to make that more clear. I really don't so that's all i want to say about that. That's all i want to say. I wanted to get that off my chest. I'm a steelers fan. I don't root for individual players. I root for players succeed because they help the steelers. Make sure we know that all right. Let's have a little heart heart. Finish out the show so didn't article. When i talked about this extensively on my podcast on wednesday i comparing najah harris the lady on bell. I said in the article i said it in the podcast and some people in this is one thing that i cannot stand about social media. If you're going to comment on something whether it's a tweet whether it's an article whether it's a podcast whether it's video. I don't care what it is. Please for the love of all things holy read. Watch or listen before you comment. I know for a fact there were people that commented on my article. Comparing nausea harris lady on bell didn't read a word all they did was read the headline and this is not new. This is not new. This is the age of social media. I get it but they read the headline and said oh. My gosh nauseous is just the next nauseam. You need me. He'd go compare them to bell. I have i have a saying about. I've come in about that does that but we're just letting himself shut up already. Read the article. Listen to the podcast. I sit in the podcast. I'm not comparing him to the person a not comparing him to anything. He did off the field. Whether was the marijuana is situation. The holdouts everything. I'm not comparing him to edit all. I'm comparing him as a player. That's it in the article. I said at the very top of the article. I'm not comparing him to the person off the field. I'm not saying he's gonna go and have a horrible crappy rapping career. I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that as a player. That's what i'm comparing him to in as a player when on bells in his prime you should be one hundred percent okay with najji harris. Maybe being on bell two point l. But the people say oh. Najji is the next night nausea. Look at what you're saying. You sound like an idiot and this is actually stuff that i deal with on social media. Don't be an idiot. okay have an open mind. Be able to read something and if you don't agree with then let's talk about it. But there were so many people on social media and in the comments behind the curtain dot com. That made these comments about the article. And you could just tell. They didn't look through everything they didn't see the comparisons of the times in the hot. This is the stature the highlights in the stats from college. I didn't look at it. And i said it blatantly on every single platform this is not about off the field stuff and yet here we have these morons still commenting about off the field stuff so i want to get that off my chest. If you're going to comment on something at least do the person that product provide produce the content whether it's written audio visual doesn't matter do them the service of actually watching listening or reading. That's all i gotta say that's art gotta to say 'cause if you don't do it then don't comment it's that simple and that's on anything really it is. It's on anything all right. I got a lot of my chest in this show. I hope you appreciate it. I had fun. i hope you did too. We had a weekend coming up. Will there be steelers news. I don't know but if there is. I'll be back on monday to talk about. Just that and i hope that you make behind the curtain dot com your one stop shop for all things pittsburgh steelers wherever you get your podcasts or steelers. Steel curtain. Subscribe follow do you have to do. And also if you're listening turns itunes. I knew that half of you are give us a five star rating if you enjoy content. Leave us a good comment. It all helps exposure. We've moved into the number one slot on the steelers side. We want to stay there. I don't even even threatening us and your need your help. I need your help with. This will help us out five star rating in a good comment. We appreciate that as we always finish it out. Here be safe be kind. God bless have a great week. Everyone we'll see on monday. Those deal our period burn.

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Let's Ride: A deep dive into the perimeter of the Steelers' lineup

Behind the Steel Curtain

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Let's Ride: A deep dive into the perimeter of the Steelers' lineup

"Pittsburgh steeler fans. Welcome back another episode right. Jeff harvard. your host of this monday wednesday. Friday morning podcast. I hope you had a great weekend in. I really hope that you are prepared to be at the midway point. We are this week. We will be at the midway point in the month of april which means that. We are so so close to in my opinion the crowning gem of the nfl offseason. That is the nfl draft. We are on the cusp of the nfl draft. And we're going to get you ready like we always do like no one else. Can at both behind the steel curtain dot com in on our audio platform on my show. Let's ride monday. Wednesday and friday before we get started as i always do behind the steel curtain dot com should be your one stop shop for all things pittsburgh steelers. It is a part of espy nation. Which is a part of fox media. They're one of thirty two. Nfl websites we cover the pittsburgh steelers as you know and obviously the podcast platform is an extension of behind the steel curtain dot com. But wherever you get your podcasts or steelers or behind this curtain subscribe followed wherever you have to do so that you don't miss a thing now last week on monday. I did something that i hadn't done before. And i decided i was going to start breaking down specific position groups leading up to the draft talking about the personnel. That's on the team analyzing those personnel and nc saying when they go into the draft. Should this be draftable position. If so when if not why and i started last week in the trenches the offensive line and defensive line in this weekend bouncing it out to the perimeter. I don't have a lot of shows before the nfl draft so we had to get this stuff done so in the first segment. I'm going to be talking about wide. Receivers and tight ends in the second segment. we're gonna talk about cornerbacks and safeties. There are a lot of intriguing positions. A lot of intriguing players and a lot has changed with a spa wednesday. All but some of these positions just this offseason. So when you're looking at these positions you have to look at the personnel. You have and you have to try to figure out. Not only are they going to draft a tight end or a position like that but or they're tight ends available that are worth it. That's the big question We always say this. We talked about this at length on the steelers preview. Last week myself. Dave scorpion and brian. Anthony davis where we talked about. How you just don't want to draft by position when you feel like you are stuck in a position one. Two three position only option draft. That's a horrible situation to be in so in that regard i couldn't i can't stress enough. How just go by positions just not the way to go into the nfl draft. Let's let's figure this out position by position. We start on the offensive side of the ball. And let's start with the wide receivers here the personnel that the wide receivers the wide receiver core that the steelers have right now heading into twenty twenty one. Juju smith schuster diontae johnson. James washington chase claypool. I feel at this point. Those are household. Names will throw ray ray mcleod. Who signed a one year. Deal to stay with pittsburgh he obviously. Maybe i say maybe matt. Canada has a specific purpose for him outside of being a return specialists. Then we have some new faces yet. Anthony johnson Played at buffalo Matthew sexton who was the very fast wide receiver who was picked. He plays him spring ball Last year tyler. Simmons was the former georgia product. Who was at the georgia pro day. This year He he was one of the. I feel like there's hundreds hundreds of athletes. Football players would have been in a system that would have gotten a legit shot to make a roster but because of covid because of the cancellation of things like preseason games in no offseason workouts and things like that he was back at a college pro day and he graduated two years ago It's up. he impressed. That kevin colbert said to give them a contracts a he's on the roster and then cody white is also on the roster so the wide receiver. A lot of people make some assumptions with the steelers when it comes to the wide receiver position. One of them is that they're always going to draft a receiver and the second is that there are always going to draft a really good receiver. And i think those are safe assumptions. That people make when talking about the pittsburgh steelers entering the nfl draft. And i understand why they make them. They make that assumption because they typically are very successful trafton receivers everyone but raye mcleod. That i said is returning from last season. They were drafted by the steelers. Juju was a second round pick. Deontay was a third. james washington was the second round. Pick chase claypool. The second round pick this team knows how to draft receivers. I could go further down the line in some of the players that they drafted that have been extremely successful. Might not be the long term but extremely successful antonio brown mike wallace martavis bryant even plaxico burress Was was drafted by the i. Think about some of those names and the assumptions are real. But here's what we have to figure out when we look at the wide receiver position is this. Is this a draft pick priority. I guess that's the best way to put. It is the wide receiver position a draft. Pick priority in my answer. That is no it is not a priority. It is not a position that the steelers should be looking at the draft and saying who's going to be available. What can we do. Have we get this player that player. Whatever no i don't think that is it all the next question. All the flow chart and i talked about the flow chart last monday. If you follow the flow chart of the answer is no then. The next question is do. They even draft a position at all. Now this is where i say that. Yes they do draft a wide receiver. I think they will draft a wide receiver. But i don't think it should be early. And when i say early i'm talking day one day two. I don't think that they should draft a receiver in rounds. One two or three after that. If you find a receiver that you think is talented enough. That could add to the position. Then i think you look at it and you say we could really use some death not only for purposes but the steelers especially at wide receiver always plan for the future. And when you look at the depth chart right now entering twenty twenty one before the draft you have to assume that juju smith schuster although he signed that one year. Deal eight million dollars to stay in pittsburgh that he and james washington washington is entering the final year of his rookie contract. That they're not going to be back next year. You have to assume that instead of those players are gone. Now you're left with. Let's also forget. Not forget that ray ray mcleod is on a one year deal. So if juju james washington railway macleod are all gone after twenty twenty one dailies diontae johnson and chase claypool. Did so when you put it that way. When you look at the depth chart to me it becomes increasingly clear that the steelers are going to have to think about drafting a wide receiver at some point again. I don't want it to be early. I really don't want them to spend a second or third round pick on abel's receiver but it in the fourth round. If there's a player that they think is going to be a really good player in i again. I trust them at this position. I don't trust them. Drafting every position. But i do trust them. Drafting wide receivers. In because of that. I say that they do draft a wide receiver but again not early. You have to assume some of those players are going to be gone. And when they're gone if it's just claypool in johnson that's a pretty bare cupboard and diontae johnson and twenty twenty two will be going to his final year of his rookie deal so the steelers have done a good job of selecting really good receivers in consecutive drafts. Eventually it's going to come to the point where they'd have to keep that up because they're gonna find time with the receivers are gonna go elsewhere unless they're gonna sign some a second contract. I don't see them signing james washington. Maybe they get juju back. But i'm not sure if that happens that that means that you tell you the more i talk about it the more. I'm kind of convincing myself. That this team is gonna have to draft a wide receiver it. They're going to have to look at the wide receiver position. They have two very very important. Okay so let's look at the other position that we wanted to talk about on the offensive side of the ball and that's titan. Let's go through the The personnel that they have on the team right now with eric. Ebron zach gentry. Kevin rader dax. Raymond spent some time with the steelers in the past and charles jones. Now this is one of those positions. I talked about at the very beginning of the show that there are a couple of positions that they the outlook on this position has changed in the offseason. This is one of those positions. Vance mcdonald retirement changed a lot. All of a sudden. Eric ebron is the only experience tight end on the roster. This is quite a conundrum for me. Because i do think the tight end is the position that might be needed. The most that no one is really talking about that. Much steeler fans are bringing it up. And they're saying you know candid more tight end. But the conundrum is that the steelers do have anita tight end but this draft class for tight ends is just not that you have kyle pitts. Who is amazing. I mean this this kid is i think he's a transcendent player. He can elevate any offense that he goes into. He's going to be a top ten pick. If he's outside the top ten. I will be stunned. I mean absolutely stunned. If kyle pits gets into the double digits. Don't think it's going to happen. But when you look at the steelers tight end group. I mean eric. Ebron has proven that he can provide some value. Some worth zach. Gentry is provide proven. Nothing kevin. Rader played well when he got an opportunity especially especially on special teams last season. Dax raymond in charles jones have proven nothing either. So let's go through the flow chart. Do they draft a tight end. I say yes. They do have to draft a tight end but early. No i don't think it's b. It's i don't think it's because of teen needed. There's some people that say all draft. I think it's freer avenues. As in the penn state tight end firm freer maze fear move. I'm sorry butchered. It don't care really don't care. They call him baby gronk. I'm not seeing that. I've watched film on him. I don't think i've thrown out that comparison yet but still even with the player like that. I just don't see out of outside of pets. It's just not a good tight end class ins. Oh you're looking at the steelers team needs and you're looking at the draft class and you're thinking there is a big disparity here. This is not normal. When you're looking at this you're thinking okay this dealers. Do these team needs. But the draft is not really coinciding with those team needs so draft. Pick follow the flow chart. Should they draft this position early. No they shouldn't and it's not because the need isn't there. It's because i don't think this class is good enough to think about drafting a player early. Maybe they get a tight end in the mid rounds but they only have so many draft picks and they have a lot of team needs. I could definitely see the steelers. Not drafting a titan. Maybe they get a seventh rounder or an undrafted player. But i could see them. Legitimately going into this season with eric ebron tight end gentry and kevin raider as their tight ends for the regular season and raider proved value on special teams. I think he's more of a traditional blocking back. It also comes down to the fact. Let's also not forget whether we're talking about receivers whether talking about tight ends any offense and position group. It could be the offensive line that we talked about last monday. We don't know what mad canada's offense is going to look like. Does he run a lot. Eleven personnel does. He run a lot of two tight end sets and let's also not forget here when since we're talking about tight ends that when matt canada was at nc state jalen samuels there in jalen. Samuels was basically a tight end. He was essentially a tight end in mad. Canada's offense so keep that in your back pocket. okay. I'm not saying they're gonna use jalen samuels more of an h. Back tight end tight player that he wasn't college but if they don't draft tight end. I want the steeler fans to remember. What jeff did say that matt. Canada has used jalen sales in a different way. Don't be shocked if that might be the thought process with the steelers. And if they do that if they keep jalen samuels around and they want him to be more of an h. Back or more of a tight end with any. Could maybe see gentry raider. Only one of those two making the team. They go into the season with two tight ends in samuels as their third and suddenly the tight end group looks a lot different. So when you're thinking about all of these offense physician groups. I've said it before i'll say it again. Say a million times before the draft. We don't know what matt candidates system is going to entail. We don't know what kind of players he's gonna want at specific positions. We can do nothing speculate. But fact shows that. When canada was nc state with samuel's he utilized samuels very very well and in a unique way he could be thinking the same exact thing heading into twenty twenty one so in terms of wide receivers circle back. And let's talk about this before. I break in terms of wide receivers. I think that they do draft a receiver. But it's not a high priority. I think that they want to add to their depth either looking it. Maybe a mid to late round draft pick at a receiver in honestly if they do that. I still would have high hopes for that. Receiver based on. How the steelers history with drafting wide receivers wide receiver factory. So if they're able to actually get a receiver later in the draft. I have would have high expectations. That player no doubt about it at tight end. There is definitely a need for the position. I just don't like this draft class. i don't like it at all and keep in mind. The jalen samuels might be the wild card in this equation. When you're talking about tight end matt. Canada might have plans they might be able to sit back and say we don't need to look at tight end because this is we're going to do things is what we're gonna utilize him and he can be a flex player. He can play both running back anti dan. We know. Mike tomlin loves his versatility. We know it it at every single position the more you can do the better chance you have of actually making an impact. We know that is all right. So that's gonna be it for the offense. Let's talk about defense when we come back after this break we're gonna talk about cornerbacks and safeties one of those position. Groups changed a ton it just the past month right back at women is support for this episode comes from locker room the app. That's changing the way we talk. Sports locker room is a sports fans. Dream come true. It's a live audio platform that lets you connect with other fans experts. And even the athletes themselves locker room makes it easy to start your own conversations. Talk about the latest rumors takes news and teams you care about most join massive watch parties for all of your friends to react together real time as you celebrate a buzzer beater or suffer the agony of a crucial bricks. Free throw. and if you've got a bunch of supremely spicy takes you to fire off during luck you can even record the conversations if you want and released them as a podcast. So it's time to start thinking about catchy titles it's all totally free and available at the. Irs door right now so go. Download it today. Locker room changing the way we talk sports All right pittsburgh few events welcome back to the second segment of what's right. I'm jeff harvey your host on this monday wednesday friday morning podcast a quick reminder that this goes up at five. Am eastern time. Every monday wednesday. Friday i have had a lot of people on twitter. You can follow me on twitter at j hartman underscore. It sending messages and say jeff. I'm on pandora. Where's where's the. Let's ride episode. They'll send me screenshots and like look i. I don't know if we have an outlet that we put our audio and two and then that outlet pushes it out to all the other outlets so we only do so much on our end. I can tell you that it will eventually be there. But i know that i'm a spotify user and for me Spotify pretty quick. It's normally up there if it's on up by five o'clock right when it publishes it's only five fifteen five thirty and it is. They're ready to listen to so. Make sure you check all that out. I do want to also mention there. Tuesday at seven thirty pm eastern time. If you're an ios user if you're an apple user whether it's a tablet whether it's a cell phone you can get the app. The locker room app the locker room app. The little icon is a reddish orange and has a tube sock it. Looks like a little stock in case you're trying to figure out which one it is. It is a completely free app for ios users. Download that app and on tuesdays at seven thirty pm eastern time. I go live to answer questions from steeler fans and it's been reloaded fun and you can follow me on locker room at j. underscore. It has been a blast talking with steeler fans. Last week we had some great discussion about the running game is at the offensive line. Is it the running backs really really good stuff and so i hope that you check it out and if you're someone that does listen to my podcast monday wednesday and friday in. I know i know for a fact. There's people that join every tuesday. And they are there in the law there in the room as they call it on locker room and they never talk they never talk. Come on guys and gals. If you're gonna be there live with at least show up and just say even you just say. Hey jeff i just wanted to say love the show of questioner or go steelers. That would be fine. I love to talk with the fans of the show fans of the steelers. So make sure you do that. That's tuesday seven thirty. Pm eastern time on the locker room app again just for ios users right now. Hopefully that's going to change to android as well sooner rather than later. But let's talk about the next position. Groups were on the defensive side again. The perimeter. so we're talking about cornerbacks and safeties. Let's start with cornerbacks. This is a position group that has changed a ton in the last few months and it it went in my opinion from such a strength that i would have put the steelers cornerbacks up there amongst the best in the nfl. And i. I've saying that in one hundred percent honesty. I'm not being sarcastic. I'm not joking around because it's so rare that heck go back to even when bill kaur was. The coach wants rod woodson left. It just seemed like they had the. Okay here's the next guy. That's going to be cornerback. Whether it's chad scott wayne washington dion figures. And then when tomlin comes in it's brian. Mcfadden is the shade towns. And it's i taylor. I could continue on with antoine blake. Cortes keenan lewis. They've had a ton of cornerbacks. But for the first time in a really long time i felt that the cornerback room was a strength for the steelers. Maybe not so much anymore. Let's look at the personnel. Joe hayden justin lane. James pierre cam sutton and then to new name steven denmark and trevor williams. Those are your cornerback in denmark. That's actually listed as a defensive back not just a cornerback. Meaning he could possibly flex to safety if need be so when you just look at the corner number one. They don't have a lot on the roster. They don't have a lot of the roster so is it a draft pick priority after losing hilton free agency of the cincinnati bengals and after the release of steven nelson. Yes yes and yes steven nelson wasn't was still on the roster steven nelson did not leave or was released as i release was granted his release. Then i absolutely would say that. This is not a priority but because his because his departure will put it out and obviously dismissal his departure because it his departure now of numb his aim. This is absolutely a priority. And it's scary. Because i said that. I trust the steelers drafted receivers for his every ounce of that. Trust them drafting receivers. Every ounce of me does not trust them. Drafting a cornerback. So should this be a priority. Yes let's follow the flow chart. Should it be an early priority. Yes yes it should. This is a position that a lot of fans are kind of glossing over there. Will they signed cam sutton okay. That's great. I'm glad that they signed camp sutton versatility as a weapon that they haven't really unleashed yet in his time in pittsburgh. I think that he could be a good outside. Cornerback but you can't tell me that their plan is to have hayden sudden as you're outside in then justin lane and james peer as your first guys off the bench who's gonna be the nickelback who's going to be the dime backer. Yes some people might say. The pierre has a lot of potential in. He could be the mike hilton type. I'll take a wait and see approach on that but justin lane if you listened to my show during the season. I'm not a fan. Just not a fan He's he's the one that kinda came after me on twitter. Because i really weekly criticized the play that he had on the field. That just shows me that this kid doesn't have very thick skin and he's also searching his name and stuff because it didn't tag them or anything that's week that's really week stuff anyways. That's neither here nor there. Let's talk about this from a realistic standpoint. Should the steelers take a cornerback in the first round. I wouldn't be upset if they did. I'll put it that way but it has to be a player that is legitimately the best player available. I think we can all agree that when already selected he was not the best player available that you could go back and look at the drafts and say there's no way he was even close to the best player available in. No one would be shocked with that. No one would be shocked but at the same time. If they don't get in the i i think it should be a day one or day two pick. There's a lot of talent in this draft class. There will be cornerbacks available when the steelers pick a twenty four the question remains will there be other positions and other prospects that will say that the steelers will say we would rather have that player this player's gonna make more immediate impact. They are the better player at the time. And that's why they're not gonna cornerback. We'll see we'll see You know you got someone asante samuel junior. He is projected to still be around on twenty four. I'm not so sure if the virginia tech cornerback. I think it's Fraley is going to be around. He has injury issues as well. So there's a lot of question marks both on the steelers and with a cornerback depth chart and also with the nfl draft class. We shall see. I do think this should be a priority. And i do think that it should be an early talking day. One day to pick. We just know we know from experience if they decide to take a cornerback in the mid to late rounds it just rarely ever pans out. It rarely ever pans out. I can't think of the last time that it did pan out. Maybe cam suddenly be. That guy is a fourth round draft. Pick out of tennessee But yeah they are better. The steelers are better. I've said this before. They are better at finding reclamation projects at cornerback. Then they are drafting cornerbacks thing about some of the players. The dave picked up that is turned out. Sometimes they've only played one year in pittsburgh but they've turned that one year into lucrative contracts elsewhere Think it was bryce mccain cody sensabaugh ross cockrel just to name a few just to name a few that they have kind of gotten off the scrap heap. They utilize them well in those players chat cashed in afterwards. So take it for what it's worth but let's recap. I do think that it's a draft. Pick that they need to make. And i do think that it should be early. Okay let's go to safety. The safeties you have the following players minka fitzpatrick terrell admins antoine brooks junior miles killebrew's new free agent acquisition in john. Battle that's it as your safety's Let's go through the whole process like we did with the cornerbacks and the wide receivers tight ends do the steelers view the safety position as a draft pick priority. I'm gonna say no. I'm going to say no because when you have edmonds and you have fitzpatrick you just brought in killebrew. You drafted antoine brooks last year in the sixth round and he did make the team and he did contribute. I just don't think that this is a draft. Pick priority a draft pick priority. Let's make that very very clear. A draft pick priority if it's not a draft pick priority. Let's follow the flow chart. Do they do. They even draft the position at all. Do they even identify it as a team. Need to the point where they need to draft the position at all. I'm going to go with if they are going to make a safety position. Acquisition in the draft. They're going pick them up. I it's going to be late. We're talking day three. Pick or an undrafted player. The reason i say that is i like the steelers de position especially after pink maoz killebrew and let's also not forget that someone like jordan dangerfield is still out there and i wouldn't be shocked if after the draft they bring back jordan dangerfield because he's a player that was a special teams captain player. That knows the defense. He's not going to be asked to have a lot of defensive snaps but he has the experience that if he asked to be thrust into the lineup. he's not gonna completely screwed the pooch he's going to be a guy that can come in fill in nba legitimate depth piece for the steelers and maybe the navy's dangerfield and the goal line situations before they find a niche for him but he's still out there and as long as he's out there. I think the steelers might bring him back and if they bring him back now all of a sudden you're looking at a really good depth chart a really good depth chart. I expect that the steelers will pick up the fifth year option for edmonds and fitzpatrick. And i think that this team is gonna look at the safety position as only if the late rounds there's someone available that they really like or that their high on that they say this player could maybe if they decide to move on from edmonds. Maybe be a really good piece to the puzzle. I'm not sure if there's someone like that out there at that stage of the game but still let's recap this cornerback and safety group. Shall we cornerbacks draft pick priority. Yes after nelson and hilton depart and for whatever reason. It is a priority. Should they drafted early. I said yes day one or day to save a little bit different draft pick priority. No i don't think it's a draft pick priority. Do they drafted it all. Then if they do it's going to be late. It's going to be laid. Wouldn't be shocked. They don't take a safety. Antoine brooks junior or someone that i'm very curious to see and year to really curious some of these players. Let's be honest. I'm excited to see some of these players. Play in the preseason. Because if you think back to last year's of twenty twenty you're talking to only six players. They had no time to get any of warm up games in whatsoever. When the preseason got cancelled anton brooks was a player that really could have benefited from having even if there's just two preseason games they had none and so because of that now this upcoming preseason will be four games three for everyone except for pittsburgh in dallas because they play each other in the hall of fame game anton as a player. I'm going to be keeping a really close eye on. Just like justin lane and james pierre. I'll be keeping a really close eye on them as well because they need the experience they need the repetitions and we will get an opportunity to finally to see what they can do to see if they can actually go out and make plays how will they fit into the defense in. You have to wonder too in. This is just me thinking ahead. You have to wonder what the coaching staff thinks. Yeah they see him at practice. And i know they're scrimmage likes situations but there's nothing that can compare to win proverbial bullets were actually flying and even though these proverbial bullets are not real meaning. It's a preseason game giving them an opportunity to react to something that is outside of their norm. So if anton brooks is in the hall of fame game playing into cowboys he's going against players that he's not familiar with. You're going to get to see how he reads. Reacts plays how he plays the line of scrimmage. I wanna see what he can bring to the defense when he was drafted out of maryland. Talked about antoine brooks junior as a potential player that could play play in the box. Still playing space. But really play the line of scrimmage. Will you know what that's screams to me. Could he not do what mike hilton did. Does i don't know what he's gonna do in cincinnati. Could he not do what. Mike helton did for the steelers mark hillman. Although put in coverage on occasion played the line of scrimmage. He was great and run. Support was great a blessing. The quarterback can anton brooks do that. I don't know one knows. We haven't seen him enough on the field to know if he can. Maybe he is the answer. And that's going to bring this full circle because i talked about canada's offense and suggesting that we don't know what it's going to look like. We don't know what this defensive plan is either. There's some been some moves made already that kinda make you scratch your head you know. I don't know what's miles killed. We're going to do for the defense when he was in detroit with Coach austin he looked different. And i guarantee the terrible austin had a really strong influence on bringing him to pittsburgh. How are they going to deploy him. If it's just a special teams guy. I'm going to be very shocked and surprised. I feel like they have a plan for some of these players. We aren't privy to that information yet but we will be. We will be sooner than later. But i'll tell you what we're going to be getting you ready for behind the steel curtain. Both on the website and the audio side is for this upcoming draft. Some people say that they hate draft. Talk i don't really know i don't get that. I love the draft. I think it's exciting Everyone has so much hope during the nfl draft. Any i've ever won. That's used to watch the draft for all those years can remember the radio city music hall. The new york jets fans. They're booing everybody and booing the picks that's exciting because even the jets as bad as they were at those times and they still are. There's help there's hope to the players. They're taking our the future stars of your favorite team and that's awesome and so we're gonna be getting you ready for that we're gonna have primers. We have mock drafts. we're going to have live mock draft on some of our afternoon. She shows I know that the steelers hangover with Tony and brainy anthony davis they are going to be doing a live mock draft on the air. I know that Dave scofield and his big brother rich. They do something similar. I will not be doing that. But still i'm gonna be getting ready by doing what we have been the last two weeks on mondays. And that's getting ready by looking at the personnel position by position. Should they draft if so when they drafted so be on the lookout behind so curtain dot. Com should be your one stop shop for all things pittsburgh steelers. Make sure you check it early and often as we update the site regularly also rarely get your podcast. That's google play apple podcasts. Itunes stitcher anchor. Pandora you name. It subscribe followed. Whatever you have to do so you don't miss a thing that's it. That wraps up for monday. Show thanks for spending some time with bill. Hopefully i'll see and hear you on tuesday night live on the locker room makes you join me. 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