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The Great Jokic, a Total Clipocalypse, Panic Trades, and Kemba Search Parties with Ryen Russillo

The Bill Simmons Podcast

2:01:47 hr | 4 months ago

The Great Jokic, a Total Clipocalypse, Panic Trades, and Kemba Search Parties with Ryen Russillo

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We're GONNA get to that in a second, but I want to start on a positive note. Nicola Yokich. We haven't added impactful center. In almost twenty years I would say since two thousand and two shack. the of his three finals, MVP seasons when he could still reach deep down and just destroy a team. And since we've had Dwight Howard Embiid, we've had cups of coffees with guys we deep down we knew they weren't great. And other Yokich, has a chance to be the first impactful guy. We've had in twenty years before tonight's game. twenty-seven Playoff Games twenty six, twelve and seven fifty, one percent field feel like really nobody in the history of the League has done that for their whole career and then today even though Murray was the guy who's got all the points Yokich chat a triple double in the third quarter, he just completely discombobulated the clippers. And Yeah, the clippers fell short and we talk about all the terrible things they did in this series but the bottom line is they didn't know what to do with. Yokich. They didn't know how to defend them. They didn't have a plan for it and even in game seven is slipping away. They're doubling him there blitzing him it's like they had no idea who he was what was your reaction is you're watching this. We always talk about changing of coverages right and we do it and we talk about football all the time, and then we get really excited about it with Toronto and Nick. Nurse. And then some of the stuff were Spoelstra even downplayed in the Boston game where he's like, yeah, we had a few zone possessions but we like this stuff right? We like it. I think Jeff Van Gundy was incredibly van Gundy in the was very, very telling. And where he's like, yeah, they just keep doubling they just keep doubling. Okay. and. He's just throwing it to everybody. Now again, when you're saying you're doubling the greatest passing big man of all time, which is what van Gundy called him. Yeah and it was like it was Walton in the second quarter and then by the time they had that run again they're like, no, it's Yokich Yokich. It's not Walton anymore I mean that stepped. That's seriously like what kind of come up this series is for Yokich, his standing and and where he is in this game, and that's what happens plan, and that's why it's so fun but. There's part of me that goes you know eventually they did change it though they did change it where they put a big on him in the switch but you're selling out and you're trying to double, and by the way the clippers are up nine at one point here. Okay. They're up nine third quarter. Yeah and Paul George gets his third foul at five fifteen although it may be good on offense and not have a member come back and then Murray unleashes but then on some of these double actions were there's Times where I've watched Denver. Now, so closely over the years ago, I don't know is that too man thing really going to work well, when grant hits a couple threes and then Harris gets his first one and then millsaps hit that one at the top of the key when they doubled again, you're like, okay well, this is different. Now because a lot of games grants out there in a missing out rebound Harris can't shoot to save his life. I think there's probably a lot of people that forgot MILLSAP was on this team three times this year but this whole series man. I don't WanNa. Get far in the weeds where they but at least for religious at for game seven. I think it's almost having to credit yokich going. Well, look if this is what you're doing and you've given me all these options I've already figured them all out now because it's seven Games Zotov and I'm too good. That's the key point. Right? You're challenging somebody who already has the answers to the test You're saying like, Hey, here's another multiple choice test and he's like I have the answer key right here. What are you doing? Yeah it's a C. be the whatever you're doing I'm ready I already know how to handle this. He had thirteen assess he had. He had one catch in the paint where he was facing opposite to a guy at the elbow of the three and he got doubled fake pass to opposite corner and immediately turned around like Chris these guys all know where everybody's supposed to be position. That's why we need. To Balance, they'll point to him being like you're you're off your spot. He already knew that he wasn't passing the guy in the corner. It was passing it to somebody behind him exactly like you're saying because now he's so comfortable any seven feet getting double just looking over everybody. And if they do the double and then they back off it, he's smart enough to take time and get the little foul line jumper the runner or pretend he's going to have the foul line jumper and then hit somebody last-second he had thirteen assists. What's crazy about it is murray was six thirteen from three the rest of the team Seb for twenty four if they had hit more threes in this game. and. If they credited when you have, you know you'd think those couple times where a guy got fouled because Yokich got me up and didn't count as for him. He honestly could have had twenty plus assists in this game if there's to lay ups where the layup actually goes in when the guys getting fouled and then four the people who three or whatever he's up there I just thought he was so dominant and it's weird because Murray, had forty Murray finally showed up. You know in both had Utah. Massive massive. Away, his second quarter was knots. Guy That shouldn't. You'd think like. All right, Yokich. If Zubaydah gets about trouble, which is what happened to me in this game. Well, all right that's going to be trouble for the cookers. Seven guys to throw at him and he was torturing them and I've felt like the spirit of the clippers you can see it fading as that second half way, which is the same thing that happened on Sunday and game six, right? I know the whole, the whole point of the clippers this whole time as you go. Okay. Look at all these options that they have when it's right because when it's right, it looks pretty good. Yeah. When they're up three one, you're like, okay, this is what's supposed to happen and when they're up nineteen in game six, you're like, okay enough of this and then you go what the Hell is wrong with these guys you're like, okay well. Now whatever human nature there is which I don't think we do enough of where I always say like you can't fake being desperate you can't be as desperate as the team down to now if they're terrible if we're talking like a nets or magic first round series here down to not going to help you if you're pretty good and Denver's pretty good. There's just a different gear that they're going to have. But then when it gets to game seven tonight bill and the Clippers get up almost ten and then they get up seven early in the third quarter you think they're playing well though because I didn't. That great I didn't think they're playing well, but I thought whenever they attacked in swung it. Denver's actually pretty bad on the rotations and you'd have to believe me even van guns pointing out he's like look he started talking about that pistol screen they were sending yet, and again, van Gundy's is better than everybody else that does it I don't think there's another color commentary person nationally basketball with start pointing out the pistol screen problems like and he had it immediately. It was like two plays they ran at a new the action and he was like this is why it's messed up and Denver's missing some other defensive rotations van Gundy's even pointing out and I'm going okay. You know like the normal thing is going to happen here because by and yet then it gets back to something that we've talked about where feels like we've had all these negative storylines with these teams because it's been so unproven, it's why did the clippers? Why do they think? So highly of themselves Kawai went did that in Toronto last year? Why did out any of you guys? The rest of you guys haven't done anything. So why do you guys carry yourself like this team? That's like in year three after back to back titles, and that's kind of carried himself with this group that never really clicked yet at the same time I'm like, okay. How the hell they? Ever, get up three one. How do they get up nineteen a game six? How does that team just look fucking petrified in the fourth quarter of a game seven those are grown men that were scared to be playing basketball and I give quiet pass because I think he was trying to press the issue and jazz working like he had an awful game but other guys were scared bill. Yeah I agree with that. But I do think you know game seven on the first half none of the Denver guys get hit a three and it had all the makings is like Oh man this is just going to have to be Murray and Yokich. And and they those two guys together. kind of kept them hanging around until Denver started making some plays but they were playing defense though and I think anything back to that Jeremy Grand Trade row case he's like, Hey, we feel like saving money any interest Jeremy Grant, Denver's like shore I thought he did a good job on choline. I don't I don't know why I am not going to say he you know. I'm like you I hate using the word choke. I thought he looked tired and this is something we had talked about heading into these playoffs where it's like the every other day every other day every other day. Was GonNA favor younger teams was that going to hurt older guys was that can hurt somebody like Hawaii who's really been careful about how much mileage he wanted to put on himself the last couple of years now look at who we have in the final four we have this young Celtics team. We have a Miami team that has a couple of guys but for the most part, younger guys like Bam and in hero and people like that, and then this Denver team built around two young guys. Then the Lakers who haven't really been tested yet but I do wonder like if you had home court. And and the the schedule wasn't as kind of stacked as it was with this has been the same result will never know but I think we have to mention it. Well it certainly with Denver because when you look at their runs at they'll have and then you'll kind of more. So two years ago than than this year but you'd be like, wait a minute what's what's on the road that was like more two years ago and talked about this team. Even, this year with Philly like wait this healthy team I'm supposed to take seriously and you suck on the road and then you know everything happened. So home and road doesn't really matter but I think. As, much as I do want to get back to the clippers thing and I do want her to get back to co why I almost same saved because I that in the next segment I I, want it now gates and why they won I. Yeah. No, that's what I'm doing. Well, yeah. I to give you more room here to just talk about your kitchen. What is now like this is the fun part. This is the great part about the playoffs. You have these kinds of performances, and now we have to look at you a lot differently now even though the numbers might be the same even though look playoff. Regular season numbers he's blowing up, but just to control the game the way he did in shoot at great tonight he's also in that group of like how come you don't shoot a little bit more but he's so patient. He's dissecting every single thing and once he gets rolling and as we said at the very top once he understands everything that you want to do it's. It's like magic, Johnson types of what about when he takes the rebound and he goes and he's running three and too fast breaks and that's why when you're talking I was lucky enough to see Walton at his peak and then when he was on the Celtics when he was little, not peak never saw what. But still like an incredible bench player ever saw Simona saw. Like Greenie Youtube FM stuff like that, and then Yokich, and those are the three great passing centers of all time. I do feel like it's funny that Jackson mentioned wilt Chamberlain is a great passer which is just you know he was forcing he wanted to win the assists title that one year and really like was assist assist assist contract when Rondo chasing assists on the Here's the guy everybody said was a great passer back then was Russell. Becau- in Russell's like never mentioned any of these. But if you go back like Russell averaged over five assists at least one of those play offs and was a great outlet, pass his outlet passing alone on those old clips is unbelievable outlet pastor, and then also they used to put them kind of like Denver uses Yokich at the top of the key and they would run all these little zigzags and he would hit people and throw. So for whatever reason here's the mentioned. Yokich. I. Think the difference with him and these other guys is his ability to off the dribble to create plays. We've never seen centers do that before it's kind of. I've never seen by lake him. Walton's Walton was not like him while it was a great passer, but they were not a lake as players at all and when the Yokich thing I just happened to you go. Like who is this guy and he looks like and a lot of people are GonNa get this reference but you ever remember being a little kid and like maybe it was you and your body's you're on little league baseball team, select the popular kids and recess. There was that kid who had like hand-me-down winter coat and he always had burgers in his nose. And he was like bigger than everybody else and don't really talked to him in his face was always like read and weird, and then like one of the cool kids like said, something to start making fun of him, and then he just went berserk remote on you and beat you and all your friends up in the S. that's what Yokich looks like like. When I see him he's got like these weird like jogging things. He'll. He'll I kind kinda do this odd apology to Aref with his hands his mouth he'll be like. Oh and then he's just chilling everybody and he wouldn't pass by right? Yeah. He wouldn't pass my test like if brought an alien basketball game, do you think the best players they would not pick Yokich huguenots? Thirtieth pick he's like an extra large shamet face. Well. So I did some research 'cause he's you know he's over twenty, five, ten, and five again. In the in the playoffs this year. So heading into this game. He was twenty, six, ten and five and a half but now he had like so he's probably like twenty six eleven and five. NASA. But that here, all the players who were twenty, five, ten in five. which shooting fifty percent field goal Yokich data twice Tim Duncan. Larry Bird Eighty four chamberlain and sixty seven Blake Griffin in two thousand fifteen under a playoffs Barkley and eighty six December. Twelve Games there will chamberlain sixty eight Magic Eighty Bill Walton and seventy seven Lucas seventy to those are other guys, sixteen games or more. All of those guys are hall of famers except wake. and. At least four went to. Those guys are top ten all time guys. This is not something over the course of a playoffs. You're not supposed to be twenty, five, ten in five. He's twenty, five, twelve, and seven. And I know the stats are a little messed up because the way bask was being played out but it's not like he's shooting threes. It sounds like he's assisting like this is all flow the game shit and he's just dominant. Sixteen. Thirteen twenty two, four, twenty, two books. And he only took six free throws I. mean he was he was five or thirteen. He missed every three that he took tonight. So if you just looked at this, this is one of those basketball reference games. You'd be like Oh that was a weird game like, but he wasn't doing much and you know he was he was GonNa do now I can't say he was doing everything discredit how incredible Murray was already. It just kind of changed everything but I still kept waiting for that clippers comeback and kept waiting for it to happen but. This is like I don't know what's going to happen next. I'm probably GONNA, pick the Lakers but. I now look at it. Yokich Murray is different and this isn't this becomes this battle of like Oh, these guys have always been this will not really not really and now they just did it again they came back from three one again and when they were down three one time like odd man this Denver team like, why does why do people on TV say like Oh look out there like this sneaky team that could come out of the West and now it's real and now it's a real possibility. So yeah, like now I look at the Denver Nuggets differently because now they've done something and what they did against this clippers team. I still can't like I'm sitting here in disbelief that this actually just happened. Well, let's talk about a key component. Continuity. And we're in this league now where everybody just changes teams constantly changes players constantly and the stars switch teams and all this stuff and the clippers are great example that right these guys were thrown together they played two thirds of a season. We never were hundred percent comfortable with where they were as a possible contender pandemic captains go back in the bubble and same thing on off switch. They look great one game ease up the next game whatever's going on Denver's at team. That's kind of grown up together here. You know they added grants a new piece porter's relatively new even though he trained with them last year but the Yokich Murray Harris Mill Sap. Guys more for awhile recruits been there for bill. Yeah and I, I, think this really helped the Celtics in that raptor series too where you had. You had smart and Jalen and Tatum, and those guys have been in wars down together for three straight years. Jalen smarter play together for years I do think the continuity helps and when you really notice it is when things are going south. And like this clippers team in game six and game seven, where all the sudden, they look a pickup basketball team. They don't have the history and eight. The first time I really noticed there says a phenomenon was the OH eight Celtics 'cause the celtics were awesome they when they were, what were they like sixty, six and sixteen, Sixty, five, and seventy in the regular season in the playoffs came around and Atlanta was going at them and it was like they just cut nudity in cohesiveness. Hadn't built it. They had employed with each other enough and they barely got Bhai Atlanta they they blow mount game seven same thing in the Cleveland series took them forever. They finally finished them off seven in kind of built that newt is the playoffs went along and then it kind of clicked in the Detroit series then took off I. Don't think this team had a chance to do that and I don't really know what their identity was because. I think to the bitter end. They didn't know who their best five guys were at the same time. They're still playing Lou Williams in this game, they're gonNA end the ship with them. Lou Williams shouldn't be playing at all in this series the defensive stats on him worse than the Herald stats they couldn't Denver was hunting him way worse than Toronto a Kemba in this series and they need his offense but doctors was like, Oh this is these are my guys will figure it out and then all of a sudden the game's over. It was just it was hard to bet against it though even though that was something that was happening the whole time, right because we're watching them, we're going what are they gonNA play together I, remember going on cowherd and he was like I. Think this is great by design because the rest of the guys do to stop by design, they would have twenty games with these guys. They would love to have twenty games in a row with all of the players and figure out what's happening and. Then come back and MANTRAS isn't ready to go. Lou gets busted for going to magic city. Pat. Beverley in and out of the lineup the whole time, and it's really tough like they had a moment with Reggie Jackson were Reggie. Jackson. was playing some really good basketball forum and then you'd say you know what? I don't really want them out they're closing and then he had to go to him at some point and then shamet he turns his ankle but like I thought, oh? Hey Sham it's. Back. On the scene he hadn't been able to hit any shots in the plan whatsoever but like they didn't want to give up on them but the Yokich numbers against my treasurer terrible the second unit numbers were terrible and long stretches throughout this playoff season they tried to mix it up I think late with Paul George, getting in some more minutes with the second unit but really what it comes down to is like when you max out and everybody in the world wants Paul George like it look. People are going to listen to me thinking I'm giving quiet pass I'm gonNA save you the time I am he had a bad game for a guy that's at legend status. This isn't his tenth Harden Game Okay this is somebody who carried a franchise by himself and absolutely diced up the heat becoming a superstar. All right and so since he has those on his resume I'm GonNa look at him differently because I go you know what? He's forced the issue, but there's there's a bunch of those possessions. In the fourth quarter and I, knew it Marcus Morris who may have screwed the whole series up by pushing mill sap and mill zapping like look you want to be a fucking tough guy all the time and look Marcus Morris is tough player but he's not tough mentally and millsaps been around long enough and then MILLSAP has incredible run in that game that's that comeback and you're like, oh now. Look is all because of that. That'd be overstating a bit but Morris got the ball and he didn't want in the fourth quarter and then he gets stuck with it and he took a shot I still can't believe Moore's hit that corner three against Cleveland The Dallas series because I've seen that shot his whole career Reggie Jackson has a flailing attempt Jim Michael Green goes to throw it down to give. Him some momentum that things ends up punted half four then pull the same possession has the ball throws it out of bounds, Paul George dense the side of the backboard yet corner threes and you're just going you guys are all toast like your. It was just like you I don't like saying choking I don't like questioning the manhood of these guys because deep down like these guys have all had. To. Go through a lot but to have it be so obvious in front of your face in that fourth quarter, you're like nobody not one of you guys is comfortable right now I think Kawais discomfort was I can just drive in on a million people right now and throw it up at the hoop but you know nothing we're done like we're toast we were watching team walked to its own funeral We need a better word than choke. It's almost like GAC, but you know when you see it, do they look scared to you bill I thought they always say, Oh, they look a little tight I thought the whole team deer in the headlights once the nuggets through a couple haymakers and it was like nine points and every now it's like the clippers are GonNa have a run the nuggets to make a shot. And you just Kinda see it. It was that hot potato look and Morris was a good example like more got the ball couple times Morris big tough guy from philly wanted no part of it. Reggie. There he he was terrible and like the minute and a half, he played all these dudes I never just for the record I was always on the record. I, I never was a huge fan of the more assigning. I did like the moves omitted the deadline and I didn't think they address their biggest issue, which is like what happens if you're playing Yoka Jury Anthony Davis Playoff series what are you doing? Are you like there's a team really needs zoo bats that much. But I don't know. Things available at least Morrison some version of Mike he's not unplayable. But I I one of these when he got stuck taking that first shot that he took in the fourth quarter and I was like he doesn't want it, he doesn't want it and I don't know if everybody picks up on all that stuff because then you start looking for it and you go. Out. You'd have when you're up. But now now you don't even WanNa take you don't even want the ball in your hand with some teams are like that though some teams are great when they're thirteen, I thought Boston and Toronto series after the Miracle Shot Game for the whole team was tight. Did that mean they choked or that were they rattled from the game I don't know but you could see it. You could see collectively they they were not playing freely and I think one of the great things about this Denver team there. So tested now. With these comebacks, you know the first team ever to come back three, two, one, two, two series in a row, much less in the same playoffs and they just were never scared any point. I wrote them off after game one. Would they got killed in that game like an idiot I was like all right. They you know. This is a pretty limited team has two guys. They have too many holes benches of good enough clippers are going to kill him and they just kind of kept hanging around hanging around waiting for this cooperstown fold. We're GONNA take a break and I want to talk about some of the great collapses in the history of the NBA playoffs. Hey. What if a quarterback completed to five of his passes? Or Point Guard hit four to five shots behind the ARC and they just did this over and over again eighty percent of the time. Well. Now, when you're hiring, you can play at that level because four five employers who post on Ziprecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day. 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But how some actresses just sometimes they end up on the wrong teams. So listen to that on the rewatch was we also have easy coming later this week I'm not on that one. So to re watchable this week. All right back to this podcast. So we're talking we use the word collapse for the playoffs and the there's two kinds right you'll see the stat about. Teams that blue three one leading a series stuff like that to me when you're talking about like really memorable collapses. It's gotta be the team was either better and they blew it. Or the team had the series by the balls and the series flipped and all the sudden they're standing there going what the fuck happened. So you go back to the sixties. The, sixty eight, six, six were the first team that blew a three one lead to the Celtics and Bill Russell. That was when everybody thought the Celtics were dead sixers had beaten them the year before. And then the celtics come comeback three, one, they win a game seven, sixty, nine Lakers that was the West Baylor Chamberlain team. Let the seltzer run an fumes they end up pulling game six out of their ass and then they win game seven. La, I think that was the collapse was game tonight one there was that last second thing which one is game six of that series. Yeah Sam Jones seventy, nine spurs. Shot Sam Jones. James hearted his spiritual MBA. Godfather George Gervin who is the James Harden before James Harden Spurs were up three one in seventy nine over the bullets and blow the last three games at Gervin disappears in the last couple minutes again seven. Eighty one sixers. Had a three one lead over the Celtics. Celtics came back. One of the great series of all time that to me wasn't I never felt like that was a collapse that was just like an incredible series but I, I never felt like the sixers choked you watch those games and it's like you know one of the great battles they was just that's one of the great series that's I would say what we're talking forty years now. He's never get so. I don't know you'd have to fill your boss and remember that series as well as you probably do but that's one of the all time that was one of the first ones growing up I was more aware a year after that being a little bit. But that series then going back and people kind of talking like the mythology of that eighty-one series was probably the first series I remember at least being aware of. Basketball and sports where it was like what happened against Philli that one just considered one of the all time greats in every game was one point, two points you go watch need to the eighty four Lakers really kick that Celtics series away the game to add the Henderson still against worthy game for had the comeback, the Mikhail clothesline all that stuff, and after that series, you know that started with the tragic Johnson and Magic Johnson. Yeah. Eighty, seven Pistons. The SAS steals the ball. They blow it they have the Celtics. That series is basically done. It's going back to Detroit. They had the lead bird sales the ball flips it they losing seven, your Guy Barkley and ninety five with the sons they blew the three one lead to the rockets. Blew. Holy to the raw rockets year before. So right or kills me and ninety five was just as bad. So that I don't need remind basically two years in a row where they folded when a matter two, thousand, fifteen clippers. Gets the rockets I went to that Game Two Thousand Sixteen Warriors. that. Was Actually One of the weird harden beginning of some of the anti heart and stuff when he got resigned the edged gave he. Had A towel over his head I was there two, thousand, sixteen words against Cleveland Lebron comes back two thousand nineteen rockets last year. Where they blow a series where out. They get the break of breaks and they stole lose and then this clippers team and I don't think I missed anything I think that's what about let's here Oklahoma City when when Golden State you play a game. Yeah. They. Do would you say that was a choke collapse or would you say that? Is Pulling. Sprinklers out. I guess that's a little both well, I would say it was a collapse if look different than Westbrook and other big spots, which was to say that it always looks bad for the most part. So the reason I, bring all of these up. 'cause they're all famous for whatever whatever reason. We've never seen a team roll over in a game seven like this. It was a rollover it was a submission. It was not only are we losing, but we've we're actually giving up and you're GonNa Watch us on live television as we throw shots against the backboard as we give up wide open threes as we do dumb coaching decisions that were just never going to change our strategy that's not working culminating in when. Stripped And I think they're they're nuggets of eighteen with two minutes left in kwaghe stripped and he just stops in ever in the clippers stops in the nuggets have a three auto fast-break and none of the clippers are even running back. That's never happened in one of these collapse series. I'm just telling you. We've never seen a team visibly rollover like that and they should be embarrassed. Okay. I'm not GonNa say that the play like that has never happened because you've seen. All Quarter how they how they rolled over has never has never really happened in one of these situations. I'm trying not to do the recent thing here but. That was so It was such A. Again I look I don't want to hear it start. But. I'm not in shock in shock from the very beginning that Denver came back three one again, Gates never happened before they did it again I said if you're that good like, how did you get down three one and how they get down sixteen in the nineteen and they still kept coming back and I think the Lakers have a little of this they did it with Houston they they were so. disrespectful of WHO Houston was that they were like. What like Houston, they would let Houston get back into some of those games. You'll never remember any of this stuff for sport but when you were watching it, it was like, holy, Shit rondos hitting threes. All right. Let's stop air. Like wait a minute, just went on a twenty five ron like what the hell are we doing and I think the clippers very guilty of that. The Difference Lakers aren't enough of this shit. WE'RE GONNA go ahead and win this game win the series and five, but it's probably Of least recent memory, I would say it's one of the more disgusting efforts I've seen from a basketball team. and. I don't know how you argue against that because it just was. For All the shit they talked about being e-e-e-e-no know. Who they were, what they were going to accomplish. The confidence and the swagger they had which they had rightfully because choas on team. But when push came to shove in game six and game seven. They completely disappeared second second-half in in like a really memorable borderline historic way. I cannot remember a team completely rolling over in two second-half like that. We're there are three two and a series to my knowledge. It's never happened in NBA series before by a good team, I'm sure it's happened by like the back Orlando those type of teams, but not by a team that was favored to win the title three weeks ago. I'm with, you mean I can't I can't believe it. I mean look at Golden State three lead first of all Kyri, and Lebron turned into like all world players three games, and it was still a possession game and Draymond game right in my mid game five games. Cleveland was amazing and game seven was a dogfight at least they fought the whole game though, yeah that's totally different. That's totally I'm just thinking because I know what's going to happen is there's GonNa be some game that we're not thinking of because it's Just hard to keep track of I duNno single game boy that was as I'm sitting. I. Rewind plays and go. Oh my God. Like this guy doesn't want anything to do with this like he's looking like there was one play in particular were I forget who it wasn't the right side but they were going to like set up the action on his side and he just went no no and started pointing frantically to start the action on the other side and the guy was like this isn't what the play is. going. So now I'm supposed to cut with no screen to the ball. Okay cool. Now, I have the ball like what the hell am I supposed to do and it's It was weird. It was weird to watch team completely unraveled like that and it wasn't like it was. Like our waiting I don't know why you think you think they were just waiting for. Kaleida Hawaiian. He was just having a bad game and he looked tired to me and I mean I'm not GonNa make excuses for quiet that everybody else I'm just saying like. Built up playoff resume. That's almost unassailable and he just looked like to step slow. We think about two weeks ago we were talking about how he seemed like he was at the peak of his powers. Guys up the dribble today defensively there was there was some slippage with Kawhi, and that's what some of the defensive assignments there and there's there's some other stuff. If you looked at some of the Dallas numbers in that series, you could make the argument that he actually wasn't this great defensive stop stopper but I also think dodge has a lot to do with that too or if Don's is just get you even he goes India it doesn't matter who the hell you are just going to be bigger and finish over you but. I I had to, I'd have to look at it again but I thought there were two structures in the fourth quarter where he looked like okay. Fine like I. Guess it's up to me and then he missed every shot to right and then once he missed every shot then it's like Holy Shit. It's like the toughest guy in your group getting beat up I as you're running across a field to fight like the rival town and you're like Danny just got knocked out. Paul Georgia's really bad. He's terribly bad in another big elimination game. Paul George was absolutely terrible and that's why calm thirty thirteen thirteen points would have been an improvement from what he did tonight at ten and get to ten. He got the ten I was hoping he was gonna hit that last three so it actually would be thirteen. Thirteenth theory but let's look at shooting number series. I, gotTa be honest. I. I was not surprised by the results of this game. I'm surprised nuggets one by fifteen. But when I was line Friday the nuggets were plus seven and a half the nuggets were plus to ninety to win the game. I was alarmed by what I watched in game six. I really was I was alarmed because. I thought they were real fundamental issues. It wasn't just like, oh, that was an off game they just fell asleep at the switch. It was like no they have real matchup issues and their coach doesn't seem to realize them and you know we have to mention the Doc rivers piece of this. He he's now presided over. I think more of these than probably any coast. Now He's been coaching for a Lotta. Years. He's been coaching from US two decades but he's just been on the rock side history and a lot of these. These blown three to leads three times two, thousand, ten, two, thousand, twelve, two, thousand, fifteen, he lost game seven at home in Oh, five and nine. He lost the game seven do Utah to thousand seventeen, and then he blew a three one. in this series and I don't know whether it's an adjustment thing whether it's bad luck whether he had the wrong guys on his team but but I do wonder does he survive this? WHO's the fall guy. Do. The clippers is run this back. Finish the line here for Paul George Four Sixteen to eleven for three one free throw attempt four boards. Two assists in thirty eight minutes. So the one though the one free throw attempt is is he should be thinking about that all offseason that's embarrassing. Go to get to the basket they orange house moments put Yokich avow trouble. Here's a moments where he's like early. Seth Curry. With more rebounds. Yeah now, I, think seth actually get to the hoop so I'm not turning this like a massive. Sorry, Seth Very Yeah. I'm Seth Curry. Fuck I would go to the basket. The dock thing I don't know what happened. I. Don't know what happens because we all know why doc I think he's a really good coach I think he's really coach for stars. To but you're right the resume has some dings on it and when your favorite and you to this nuggets team after you're up three one like I, I'm not GonNa sit here and tell you like no way you're seeing. All wrong. He's like leave his eleven million a year I was looking through the extension was the extension was like a year ago. So you got to think he's probably got like two more years on this deed had an idea. Trade him. He's been traded before he has. Philadelphia Seventy sixers need a coach. Just. For Who I don't get a future I forum. Promote Lou. Okay. But can I ask you a question? Maybe like us? No. Good but this is GimMe a little little like I. Know I can go too long but Gimme Gimme a little bit of time to explain this. There's a reason why the same time as we were talking to a couple of weeks ago about Anthony Davis in that I in a million years I would not bet money on Anthony Davis signing somewhere else because I don't think Anthony. Impressionable personality and I don't think you blast your way out of New Orleans with clutch, packing your bags for you and then say to clutch. Hey, you know what you say they were to lose the Denver. Nuggets. Davis doesn't get enough shots. He starts get beat up and he says, you know what? I don't like this. Let me experiment here. Let me see if I wanna go I actually want my own team. Now Okay I don't think any of that stuff would happen but the reason why teams prepare for that and workout clutch clients or do things to always be as if they are like, Hey, we always have your back to the agency because that's part of the for an office job is because the unexpected always happens in this league and the unexpected could be not only the dock part but like what Paul George Goes. I kind of like I'm not really feeling this quiet looks around and goes not one of these guys are like Patrick Beverley I can't sit there and say that that guys on a tough guy because he at least played tough but what do I looked around and said, I'm not really feeling this right now it's not like he hasn't blasted his way on to other places now again, Toronto, we just left because he could leave but San Antonio was out of there what factor is Doc In that decision because did they go there because they love the duct takes care of their guys and doc absolutely takes care of his stars that is like doc one on one as a coach. So all of these things I think are valid points to bring up in how weird could this off season actually get with the clippers after what we just saw but as my default normally is with this, is they usually just run the ship considering this was year one of this group. Is there fog I or do you fall into the habit of as? You know what? It our first year together we were all in a bubble. The BARTOK's really hard on all of us magic city. We laid out here for homecourt advantage and then we didn't have it. And we still feel like you know year to another piece we want to bring this back with that said, if philly calls and says, we'll give you embiid for Paul George. Doc Rivers. What is bomber do? You life that led. The first ever to players at a coach trade. Not even. Drinking, are we supposed to be drinking on this podcast and I? Had A beer. Beer. We. Should we've never done that in the pot thirty eight minutes in Track White Clause I would it be for Paul George Doc Take us all cut check I'll tell you. With the rumor mills at all the different stuff going on I still think embiid and Simmons get a chance next year with everybody there but I don't know that Simmons is going to Kreider tears. About it. Yeah. All Georgia's as bad as he was tonight, he's if he's a free agent, this series of Max Player yesterday, he's a Max player again yesterday but. That's why I get. So frustrated arguing about some of these guys and I think people's Kinda give up as I go look I. Don't I don't just randomly watch a player one day and say, Hey, that guy stinks it's usually after a few years in these elimination Games George Elimination Gates hardened but at the same time like with quiet daddy was I'm not going to sit there and say okay all right. So I've got I've got Lebron. GonNa knock him down a few pegs. All right right now top three players league are Lebron Butler and tyler hero, and then I now have quite fourth. But some, but something did import something did happen tonight though. Kobe lost his title. He didn't lose his NBA title. He lost the title as if you could have a playoff guy for one series, who would it be and mine was Hawaiian tonight. So now it's Lebron again. Retire narrow. It may be tyler hero. You. Saw Him again today the guys just. He's got. He's got buffalo balls man he's he's upset like he told a couple buddies on a thirties I can't believe and get one. MVP vote. He's like second team all rookie fuck this of it hits the Vegas the. Celtics are about to finish by today of behavior here say no but I do think the. The co-run. which was really the best thing the clippers had going for them. This year is like what we have Qui-. In a series big game co as the guy well, he lost so. I'm wondering if it could be Yokich. Yokich could grab the title hair Yokich they played I went back for one playoff game come on. It's Lebron now if it's not quite after no I don't I don't like doing this game to gate that's no no, no no, it's bacon right now it's vacant titles whoever comes out of it this year has the title or They played the Lakers really well. They were they put him four times this year they they were Lakers one three, the four games but the nuggets killed them once, and then to that one game was not one of them was like a one point game. If you watched, it was like both teams kind of had trouble stopping the other I think they're supporting cast is better. And the Yokich thing like. All right. Great you have to play Dwight Howard Javale. McGee. More. Awesome. Yokich torch those guys. And then the Murray thing like who who's GonNa Guard Jamal bomber and the Lakers They'll figure it out. They'll figure that part of it who, who, do you trust Tuesday best offensive guard Pope Rousseau. I think there's some awesome Caruso numbers but pokes it in threes? You know you're going to go the pope pope was getting some of the defensive assignment there Well, this brings me to my next east of that collect question, right? This just fell. So perfectly for Lebron I think we said this the last time we talked about this stuff like gets the gets the beaten up Portland team in Ranan. Wait a minute though everybody was saying Oh this is bullshit they get the one seat and now Portland's back that team was affairs. Yeah. That's not what anybody was saying. Now that we know what happened. We like that was a good time to catch that. Tim. Second Round they get Houston Westbrook I am actually in the camp like it swung too far with people against Westbrook because recently he had covid we know in Kobe and he was hurt and he came back and I think he was even eighty percent and he I don't think he's as terrible as he was the Lakers like he was terrible is flat out terrible I don't think he's that bad of a basketball player but regardless I. In the game that he had thirty. He had thirty. He's so bad for and I was like this is so bad. That sounds like a Daryl Morey text you here's a question. You're a scholar though that was not a darrow boy text, but they had that Daniel House thing to, and now they're gonNA play clippers around three, and now it's the nuggets like this. I'm just saying like this is great for the Lakers Lakers would have signed up for this. The Lakers are going to be Houston no matter what Daniel House, important player of the rotation because he basically just eliminated thirty minutes out of that but I don't like the PG Tucker stuff towards the end and I love PJ Tucker but like he's looking around going. Are Are. You fucking kidding me like the hawks. Okay this sucks. I have a point and I'm going to ask you as a scholar of the game yet. has anyone ever lost in the playoffs healthy? 'cause nobody the rule is if you're the Marquis Guy, we just hear about how your hurt like a day or two later amid might even be like an hour later. Like do is GonNa. Hey you guys got us. We didn't play that. Well, congrats. There is no lag as he lay. You don't see at a sprained MC l. there was nothing that came out after that series though injury stuff. There's a there's an example I'm not gonNA say anything Nice about Toronto for a week. Is a rough any for them. Wait I have one more clippers thing for you. And you're right by the way about Toronto 'cause yeah. Nothing nothing came of it. Do you know this was the fiftieth clipper season? Yeah. I do I wrote it gentleman dating back to the braves and they showed that graphic and it's amazing. Were there like free? Franchises of the most years that make the conference finals like clippers forty, nine years, Charlotte thirty years, and then somebody else. Eighteen. Amazing this. We're now at how? Finals it's not even winning a title. It's you can't get to like two steps removed from winning the whole thing. You can't get out of the second round for fifty years. That's impossible. Do you know the Celtics have been in nine conference finals since two thousand and two? I had no idea. An additive in Philly. You wouldn't be like man remember that unbelievable twenty or south run. But my point is it's not that hard to make the conference finals. It's a little hard, but it's like Portland. Made it last year to not have it happened once in fifty years. It's incredible. But my point is it's not like it's not like impossible to make the conference finals for them never to do it. But then you think of all the great players that they've had are the great traffic's they've had. You know they've had just as decade had Chris Paul Blake Griffin quite letter that Paul George so. Like I, know a few cookers, fans and. There was already a little weird 'cause it was like, wow, the one year we have a real chance to win the title and none of the Games are going to be here and there on a fucking bubble in Orlando. But still this great, we have a chance, but it's a little weird but now it's like. Okay We're halfway through. Kuwiat Paul George. Before they can opt out in the suburbs two, thousand, twenty one. Now we're talking we've given away Shea to Salads Sander we gave away gallon areas expiring, and we gave away a hundred and thirty first round picks, and now it's all next year. Now it's two thousand and twenty, hundred bus in one one or both these dudes could could look at each other and be like I don't WanNa play with you anymore either and they're both gone and there's nothing left other than this giant arena they're building in Inglewood I mean it is a fucking disaster. We both know any office would do it all over again tomorrow to get those two guys but I mean I I really do think you have to in again I I know I agree I know that George would be maxed immediately but I wonder if any teams ever actually have these conversations you go. Hey, we could Max George would we not? would. We not the eighth game where you're like what the hell are you doing out there and the answer would still be that you would probably maxim but. I think it's all valid because it was that bad. It's not just disappointing. It's like horrifying where you go whoa like what how, what just happened to us with the other thing that was amazing about it. was these guys we thought like? Paul George and collided whether this is going to be unbelievable. This would be we. We wouldn't have seen this since pippen and Jordan were together as perimeter defenders lockdown everybody it's going to be ridiculous. I just didn't think Paul Georgia's defense was that good. I thought he had moments against Murray where he was incredible and he was locked in. It was not tonight. No I'm just saying he consistently wasn't at the level he was year ago I was watching I thought tatum. Today in that Miami game even though tatum apart offensively in the last five minutes and overtime I thought that was the best game I've ever seen him play defensively even that Butler three point play when Butler just threw it up and I thought tatum played really good day was arguable foul call. He was just he his hands were all over the place. His switches were perfect. He had he had either a couple steals are where he forced a studio because he was in the red spots and just was a dominant two way player for the first forty three minutes of that game for offense went away. And George had moments like that last Sharon Oklahoma City the first four months for he hurt his shoulder he was a dominant to a player was like, wow, this guy's one of the best five players in the league. We didn't see that this year and I know he had flashes but there are always just flashes. He had a weird slow start. Off of that horrible close to the playoff series two years ago with okay. See and he had like I remember watching I don't know the first week. Okay. See Games because I was. I. Was always watching him because I was like am I wrong about these guys? Is it going to click and he had kind of I mean I I don't know what the game log says now because in the moment. I game log is always is always a little dangerous, but I remember just going guy what the hell and then he goes on this tear where he ends up being like an MVP type player where humans Jalen, where you'll be watching the game in your forget he's out there for four minutes and I love Jalen but like Jalen today. Yeah. But no one's no one's talking about building a team around Jaylen Brown. And maybe we shouldn't be talking about Paul George we're GonNa take a break and I have one more thing to do on this. Everybody sees the bad and I'm Ryan Ruko play by play broadcaster for ESPN The yes. Network and we're both bald but only one of us has one young award. And only one of his shows to be. Hey thanks man I appreciate that but we both are co-host of what we feel is just the greatest pot out there are to see two now part of the ring podcast network see what people get when they come to our seat man just honest conversation and this is US talking and this is something that you know we started willing to be organic and we bring our friends on and have have great conversations. Yeah. Whether it's Aaron judge or Megan REPEA- no sue bird Kemba, Walker Max, Scherzer new episodes drop every Thursday so follow RTC to on spotify Taco Paul George really quickly. Is it conceivable they? They actually do think about moving him. because. We know there's no loyalty either way these days right the players don't have loaded the teams that's been established last five years and they shouldn't and the teams have never had loyalty that the players and it's like, Hey, we're building this whole thing. But maybe. Maybe they maybe if they make a move baby, it's that let me do some rapid fire once would you do Paul George for heart and right now if you're the clippers Oh Yeah. I think you still would. Would That would you do Paul George for Bradley, beal washed it. When do that? Because Georgia last year left on his deal? That's the problem is a year left in the deal with that might be why the clippers aren't looking for about Senate's. Phillies GonNa do that I think philly's afraid if they're gonNA split that up I think they'd be more afraid of embiid's long-term thing and they don't want to end up trading Simmons and then keeping embiid and if it bead who is track record of of staying, he's actually been healthier than I think I would have ever imagined maybe he doesn't get enough credit because he has the things here and there but I don't think it's obscene to suggest that. Everybody should be worried about him beads body's GonNa hold up because he needs to be getting thinner as he gets older, he needs to do the Dunkin thing and even though he's so young and Dunkin got in a lot later in his career yet I would like to see embiid closed. Some of these Games looks like he's a little bit more in shape until you see that from him although we get to hear about it all the time and then never actually happens I would think philly would be. You. Don't do you agree. I mean you wouldn't. You agree the phillies the probably a little bit more scared of like if we traded Simmons for somebody and we're having beaten them two years from now it's not any different healthwise like what's what are we have I'm on the record I would not trade Simmons. I think over and over again, we learned that it's just been so long since we just watch play Afghans. I judge all my dudes by. Who's going to be there and like that Friday night game seven. Marcus. SMART Goddamn frustrating. He takes even today they're up ten early in the first quarter is hitting shots, and then he literally has four straight possessions. Aurorae makes just the worst possible decision you're like God so frustrating but I fucking love that guy I rider with Marcus smart and in a game seven guest. So I wanted my team Marcus Gas who's not rolling over in that clippers game today Marcus smart. Guess would wouldn't have lost guess who have been on a team that lost by fifteen in a game seven when they were favored by seven points Parkersburg he just he would have gotten kicked out before he even witnessed it totally agree and I've not been the biggest market sky over the years especially when he's taking shots, you shooting like in the twenties from three. But now the shooting from three is definitely passable. They're still offensive decisions where I go come on man it's like how this early in the shot clock and you're in your next to tatum and Jalen Cambe he even had an ice. Oh, where he got Bam one on one and took a long to over him. Did you see Jalen go like Jalen was going up like this airball. Ramos at the RIM, and it goes in and Jalen rather WHOA Marcus smart. The play he made in the corner on the embiid pass where he was going opposite corner and he jumps out like defensive, back. into the flat like Marcus smart just does stuff that's different and in you know I've. Struggled the flopping with him drives me crazy because I just don't like it. No matter what you know who I'm rooting for. I just hate it because it's in the game, but you're right but I don't. Think. He's GonNa get. Would you trade Marcus Smart for Paul George? tradable. No from you now Marcus is going to retire a Celtic and he's going to take Maxwell's slows job and maxwell retires. He's going to be in my life for the rest of my life until I die I'm I'm signing up for it now. Sixteen Years South career immediately becomes either the radio guy or the TV guy, and then another forty years is that that's he's never leaving Boston. What can opened a bar called smarts and everybody called it's Matt's spy smarts I think that would work. Can I just review? All of the Denver Nuggets playoff islets. History of mankind. So two, thousand, nine. There to to against the Lakers in the Western finals than the Lakers win the last two. That was great. Are. You done nine, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty five made the western finals got killed by the Lakers. Nineteen, seventy eight. Now, a lot of people having a lot of nineteen seventy eight basketball conversations took took Seattle to six. And Seattle beat them in the seventy eight western finance. And then in the the last Aba finals ever they lost Dr J.. And the nets. In in one thousand nine, hundred, seventy kissel. Squad. In those are all your great Denver Nuggets. Playoff. Highlights stay have never made the NBA finals. Seventy eight was a really fun. What if year for the League because that's right as we're heading into the cocaine era and tape delays and people really turning on the League and they came very close to having David Thompson Dr J. in the nineteen. Seventy finals and Philly. Ended up falling apart washed and makes it. And then Denver Loses to Seattle but we identify Hanson that's the Seattle. Seattle bullets two straight years really hurt the league. Like you know there's no stars to like market. But if you had at Thompson in Irving anyway star-crossed franchise and this is about the best it's looked at me if you were doing. I'm starting a franchise with dot dot dot who do you pick? The. Yokich is no lower than third or fourth at this point right? Stock S Yokich might be the third pick. I don't know you do this sometimes now don't give me the you do this. Yeah. I am. Now you'll get us the third best player in the League and you're snowed team with them. I didn't say third best part in the League I'm saying I am starting my franchise that could have anybody who am I taking your taking tatum right now. I think its debate I don't know I. Don't know what the answer is but I think those are probably the next two picks after. Luca John S and I think it's tatum are Yokich for that. Three spot I mean Yokich is only twenty four years old. It feels like he's older than that but he's not tatum. He's two years older than tatum. Thought tatum was nineteen. Murray is twenty two years old. And it's fun this young I know we always talk about like Oh man what Very was a young like qualifier he was like young. Kentucky, right. So with that Kobe, was a rookie when he was seventeen, but we always talk about like these destinations different free agents and nobody ever mentions Denver and meanwhile that's probably the best situation right? Not only do you get to play an annual contender but you play with the team with the ball actually moves the guys like each other you could play with the guy who actually makes you better I Will Paul George Strait for you. Paul George Porzingas. I presume this is in no just because he's he's too big and it's too many leg injuries. His that a hard though you had a hard no, the other day and it became a headline in an aggregated. Yeah that was actually the one of the few times aggregated where you know I'll get something sent to be. You'll send me some article and I. Go what? Now? What happened this week and that one was like oh? Yeah. That's exactly what I said. That's accurate. was like a hard. Hard No It's just a hard though for you. And I like Brasilia's but he's he's a leg problem. So I'll. You know. If we ever get like of or one of these beer companies to sponsor. A beer for us I think hard. No locker would be a good way. Hard edges. We have a segment like Priscilla's hard. No the week where thorough traded you you just you're they dead hard though. That's a soft though it's a flower. Celtic, I want to know what your Celtic you would trade for Paul George I think I'm more fascinated by this. It's not tatum. Would you trade Jaylen Brown. For Paul, George? I don't want Paul George my life that way. What about Robert Williams have about all three of our picks. You hate the picks would you trade Romeo Langford for Paul George? Say This I like having the picks this year because I was looking at KSC's mock draft and now seems like everybody's just all over the map of this draft that Stanford Kid Casey had him like only twenty third Terry Yeah I like I made on that kid yeah and my Albert must tense the school really likes Stanford. Kid. The school really liked him in the more you wash them I mean some of the Steph curry stuff I mean it's kind of ridiculous when you do that but he was a young kid was taken big shots for that team. So like all right quickly on the before we move on from quits nuggets. Mike. Malone. Fired by the Kings. Yeah just pulled off to back to back three won. Upset victories. It was a weird firing what had happened but just like the fact that. The. Kings didn't even make the playoffs and somehow we're losers in multiple ways. Right? Look trade is the most iconic fuck up. non pick of the decade. You know they I mean will be making a documentary about how to Luca go to three nine even go to the team that actually had the third pick that'll be a documentary in like ten years and then Mike Malone who's the one good coach they probably had in the last fifteen years they got rid of him and I think they've had three coaches cents. Now had. I know I do I'm Gonna I'm GonNa get you right now to be totally transparent. I was very anti Mike. Malone. For a long time and had nothing to do with him. It had everything to do with every person that wrote for years that boogies boogie cousins career would have been different if it weren't for the fact that Mike Malone we're like, oh and I'd be like you think. So really you think cousins would have just a super team guide locked in boxed out and. Done all the stuff that you kind of need to do if you're GONNA be a winning team. You just think because everybody kept writing this excuse article. Everybody's exaggeration, but there are many people multiple people that we know that kept writing about. Well, he was because felt so betrayed. So I ended up going Mike Malone like give me a break here on this one and it wasn't fair to him. But whatever he did whatever his deal is with a young group to get them to keep buying in in his whole one game all the cliche stuff that. I don't like to give too much credit because all of us know what what you're supposed to say I can be the coach of an NBA team down three one and I would all my interviews would kick ass I would know exactly what to say but he got these guys to believe it and you got these guys to believe it when they're down seven at the start of the third quarter and. You know I think for anybody say tired Jamal Murray's planet minutes out there to you know and then yoke it. She was ready to throw back out there and then they had this nice run in the fourth quarter. Yokich is on the bench, chew in his face off, and then he throws it back in their later. So you know I think they're a little predictable with that too man stuff when it doesn't look right but then it looks amazing against Utah when Murray's not missing shots and then tonight once they look if Denver can ever have the consistent guy that that plays off of that too man game that's knocking down the shots there are a completely different team so. As, much as we're GONNA get on docks case for having team collapsed like this getting a team to believe that's pretty young. That's ever really done anything in the playoffs they probably should have. Been in the Western Conference finals last year I'm kind of surprised. They still lost that Portland game a year ago. I just that was one of those things kind of stuck with the little bit where I'm like how the hell they lose that game and they did their young but the biggest thing that fan fan now right I think Harris played the whole Utah Series it would've ended sooner and Harris had a really bad regular season and I think he's been really good in the in the playoff bubble like he played on. Good right away. I have a really good in this series played thirty seven minutes tonight it a couple of threes. He would they were plus twenty one when he played but his defense I thought was. REALLY MISSED THAT AGAINST UTAH and once. You know if you do that, you test series again where he can guard Mitchell a little more often i. that was one thing and then I do feel like they. Kind of went all in grant in this series because they had all these different dudes and was like sometimes this guy who plays sometimes this guy would play. And you know porter played fifteen minutes tonight which I think was smart. Yeah. Porter ninety part of this at all. Yeah. They went with plath guys millsap played thirty two. He's not you know he's certainly not all star Atlanta, Paul Bill Sap but. Knows where to go knows what to do he's tough. He's not going to back down and they basically wrote him and grant Yokich Murray Harris, and then you got a little out of the bachelor like Moore's Mitch I always like Moore's minutes. But, yeah, the poured. That's a good call because we hadn't really mentioned him at all because he has a huge three early in the series be part of the turnaround as well as he after he was catching all that shit and let's face it. I mean Blake Porter's not a popular guy although I did think it was interesting to young guy complaining about work wasn't supported more but he He he's hits that shot. He hits that shot and It was kind of funny I mean, it's just results based because it's like who are you to do that and you shouldn't do it publicly. But yet Puerto hit said shot Reggie Miller is like good for him high so he's thinking this is awesome and you know he he backed it up a little bit even though he said something that he should have said and then for him to not be a big part of this though was surprised because you're thinking if Denver is GonNa win a game seven, some third guy has to go off I. think that's the thing with Denver thing look at what the Lakers and Lakers are probably gonNA. Stick to a lot of the same rules. Hey, you got to beat us. I. Alright. Gary Harris we're GonNa Beach you going to beat us I bought but. I think Anthony. Davis is a completely different deal than zoo botch and a barrel closing defensively against Yokich the probably not asking Anthony Davis to chase him around from the tip all the way through but I would be shocked if Davis is not closing on Yokich. Might, cancel each other out and then it you know it. The problem for the nuggets is Lebron is so consistent, which is crazy but the many years he's been the league but. Fear seven game series at them. He's going to be there in a big way in probably four or five of those games with Murray. It's maybe to. Maybe were lower on like you know people talk enough about Lebron steadiness. But Hey Jackson me Lebron had some shooting games in that Houston series. Remember, that first half where he had like twenty something and he was hitting every he was doing that deal where he was like not just check but was like what can I What can I get to go in tonight? Yeah. Can I make this? Shit. I can all right. Let me I'm GonNa go to the left side and try this now. I almost think that gets lost a little bit. Did you see the clip of? Lebron blocked Westbrook. He had four like crazy video box westbrook. He clearly just kind of Westberg bothersome I think I think when you're Westbrook when the MVP. Lebron. Probably just kind of tucked away in his things to get pissed off about file and was really kind of taken it to whisper and then where they had that moment with Rondo and they're going back and forth and West executable better not double their down twenty nine in Quincy game. He's talking Shit and Lebron just laughing at them. Embarrassing that was a tough series for Westbrook by the way. The other part of that that series is that Rondo turned into like Klay, Thompson. Then you If you're the rockets you. All right. This is hard enough, and now you've played this game. Now you figured out that we don't really do a ton. A Hey. It's easier for you guys to figure this out and I still think Oklahoma City must go back and look at the tape those games ago. Why did we not attack? Prune guys guys more like what the Hell will be doing? Why are we? Why are we getting stuck all the time offensively and then when you saw Lebron, Lebron's different than Chris Paul and certainly shake you'll just Alexander but Rondo just killing you from three if you're the other staff, you just go oh so what are we out of here in three games to sucks? DEPA Georgia. Make a great rocket I. Don't know how we can make that happen. Let's eat. The salaries can work. I could see Paul George getting traded to the rockets and then he and hardened at the intro guaranteeing title. I'm proud of us for one thing we talked in the bubble about we weren't sure home court was gonNA matter. And we felt like with this every other day stuff might advantage the young teams. He's even to see when they showed Miami was a five seed in the celtics were a three seed and that was the first time. The top two seeds hadn't made the eastern finals since like nineteen, ninety nine or maybe it was even. I thought it was leave or eighty four whatever it wasn't I do think it's just weird. Two thousand twelve weird. Weird outcomes. Okay. See made the finals. We didn't expect that to happen. Boston. Philly. played in a round to you know we we didn't expect to see. Philly in the final eight And I think that the the possibility we have to consider it. Of a Denver Miami Heat finals. It it has to be considered an acknowledged. That just does Miami is a better team than Boston are out. That means they're gonNA win, but they are they have a better one through nine. I was really worried about this hour. We're GONNA talk about and second I could not believe Boston's favored of his stunned talk to sal about on Sunday night he thought I was reversed Jinxiang I was not but you know Denver could absolutely beat the Lakers I dunno, if I'll bet it. But. Katie. Wouldn't that be the perfect outcome in the bubble? Is a Denver Nuggets Miami Heat. Playoff. Series fourth-rounder. Brought up no because I was GonNa ask you some point? How weird is that GonNa be how is that GonNa feel and you can take more credit because you shouldn't give me a really any credit but this is something that I've just gone circles on the entire time where the bubbles hey, we're gonNA expect all these weird different things and we're weird outcomes Okay. Maybe but we could still have lakers. We didn't get Milwaukee but even though Milwaukee this incredible point differential when people were kind of off in Milwaukee and loving teams like boss was like well, Look Boston hasn't really played together a ton but I think Boston defensively when you look at what they did today against Miami and then what they did against Toronto I think they have a defensive geared really really special but if they were going to have to play against Anthony Davis in the finals like I'm sorry I'm just not picking the Celtics Against Anthony. Davis I'm just not going to because I've seen what a really good big can do against a ashore front line and so. I kind of still defer to like why would the bubble all of a sudden have outcomes were lesser teams where all of a sudden better in the better teams were lesser versions of ourselves but I think it speaks board of the individual teams where you and I for years. Now, I've had this thing about Milwaukee where we go what are they really as a playoff team the other thing you and I've talked about now for two years is the difference between regular season and postseason basketball if you're three point barrage machine. And you think that's just gonNA completely mimic itself plus get same outcome. I think we're learning more and more with this new version of basketball last few years that that's not really guarantee. It's actually more unlikely that you're just going to be able to duplicate your success with that kind of style. We just play five out and take a million threes. I mean, how many more teams we have to sort of disappointing. So is it the bubble or is it that an unproven Milwaukee came up short again? Is it the? Today, now, for thirty, five from three. Right like the bubble, the reason. Yeah. Granted the clippers would have had home court, but you know Denver. Even, the series at two two because they would have been playing up in Denver. and. If it's the bubble than than wire, the Lakers is rolling through everybody right now. So I don't know that we have the answer, but it's Denver Miami it's only going to be because of the bubble it'll only be unfair totally games, but that's the way it will be played up l. it was this really weird deal and that's the only reason we. Got It when it's like well, wait a minute. There was no golden state. Okay. There was no Chicago Bulls. There wasn't even a Lakers with Kobe or a celtics those three year run. There was nothing that was established enough this year as a group that should have scared us off that you know we may have had a very unlikely outcome in a normal circumstance. Every year is some sort of weird variable. This year is the bubble. And some things figured it out. Some teams didn't. And the teams that. I think Milwaukee is a team that really could've used a crowd. And that was why you play the whole season I think it would have helped them i. don't think I. Don't know if it would have been enough because I really do think Miami was just a worst case scenario team for them to play. And I think we would have had the same result maybe Miami wins and six and they get an awesome crowd and game six and whatever. But it definitely wasn't ideal for Miami. I think same thing with Denver in this laker series if. They're pointing the Lakers in the Western finals in Games three and four and Denver like that's it's hard to plan devotees have trouble there. They have a great home record about who's other team So the bubbles even some of that stuff out but what I like is. It it's it strips out all the shit and a lot of these games just come down to WHO has more people who are going to show up for a big moment. You know that Toronto was a great example Toronto respect for that team didn't even play that well. lowry was the only guy who really shot well out of their best three vanfleet was under forty percent for the series like. Was a disaster, but we was so mentally tough. They just would not go away. They're fucking Mike Myers we shot their head off to get rid of them. We should do a when it's all said and done or maybe you know up into the finals. If you have an off their however the schedule works out, but we should do like a reassessment list of the five to seven players it we may have to reassess. After these playoffs but then the excuse will always be the bubble get back to the bubble but PASCO SIAKA is one of the first guys I think because he was so bad in that Celtics series and I haven't heard of he's heard or not yet. But his story is incredible when you watch during college and you're like is kind of big athletic guy but he's he's super-quick twitchy a little robotic and but then stories. He gets the money he was on tear the beginning of this year. When you watch him, you can see that he is If he doesn't already know where his feet are going ahead of time. A lot of that stuff isn't natural, and once you figure that out with him as a defender, he'll turn into the wrong side of the defense like when he would go to post whatever whatever like the end of his his combination of moves that he was throwing at you he would actually turn into the worst option. Unless it were boom boom to dribble. Okay. I'm bigger and I'm more athletic. I'm GONNA FINISH THE CRM part of that series ended with that series going you know for all the stuff about Toronto and Oh they didn't get enough credit. They get enough credit like wake the fuck up you lost maybe the best player in the world it's not complicated. It's not personal they'll take personally you lost Kawhi Leonard that's why we're off you in by the way. Everybody was wrong including me about what they would be this year. But when it was all said and done and they lose seven of Boston, they weren't as good as Boston, I go I think they got the right amount respect. The people that mattered gave the right amount of respect for May second round to Boston wasn't a huge shock because they were struggling in those games and then you'd look up and be like it's a four point game again like. They were Michael Myers right. Thing Jaylen Brown just figured him out. Semi figured him out and yeah, and then it was like the whole team and then they're like this guy's which other things. Yeah. And then when he couldn't hit threes, he was in his own head and that was it but you know I think it's weird. It's weird for these guys and I get it. They've been there for over two months. Now, the running into guys they're playing against elevators an on campus and all these things. It's a different vibe and people handle that differently and further the the guys who like the younger guys like tatum and Jalen Brown those kind of guys like you can see tatum like loves this tatum today. I'm telling you those first three and a half quarters I was the that was some of the best basketball I've ever seen him play and he was really carrying himself like I'm ready to take over the league and then I think. All the energy who is exerting on the other end and chasing all their dudes and all the sudden all the shots for short lost his confidence and that's why he's not there yet but he's GonNa to get there. I really do think he has a chance to be like really truly a special forward you know and you think like the Great. Forwards. The last. Twenty five years durant. Hit a point and I don't know if he's going to be as good as durant. got to I think durant. As you know I think he's one of the fifteen best players ever he certainly where the greatest offensive players ever. but durant hit that point two, thousand eleven twelve, you mean my. It started with the Turkey world championships when you're like. Oh. So this is actually really going to happen now and then it Kinda, and then there is baby steps and it took us two thousand twelve and you could see the MVP coming and it feels like that's happening for Tatum in these playoffs where it's like if you told me tatum's GonNa win the MVP. Sunday. By Guy could see it hitting all the check marks. You would hit if that's going to be the logical ascent. To, where ends up? Like he said every checkpoint Afar is my point. Do, you want to do this game now because I feel like we have to do a full. I I don't know what order you WanNa going. Yeah. Let's let's do that a second before we do that guy's foot long season as at subway they make it easy to make a good call. On food. So here's a little segment. WE'RE GONNA call bad call good call. Russillo. We'll look at some of the good and bad plays. Let's go from tonight. Give me give me an example. Of, a bad call in one of the two games not referee call a bad call by a team or player that we saw tonight. So, not wraps. I didn't Celtics offense to close regulation and in overtime it was You know as much as we're going to give love to the big picture of tatum. I was incredibly frustrated that they looked like the twelve seed can't believe they're about to knock off the five seat in the NCAA tournament, and then they just freak out and take terrible shots to close the game and then lose. Great great example, bad call the clogged toilet call said the Celtics ran. Another bad call. We Kyle and I watch football on Sunday with my son and we got wasted. We got we got we got wings from a place. Wings kind of move close so far we should have gotten subway getting wings and I got the spicy hot wings and I was filling in for the next twenty four hours now exact grace decision this week Kyle, we're GONNA. Make a good call instead like a sweet young chicken Teriyaki Sandwich. Yeah. Another CAU- getting a free foot long when you buy two participating subway restaurants. So let's make good 'cause this week order pay contact three. In. The subway APP for quick and easy pick up or delivery on game day or any day it's foot long season at subway eat fresh. Freshly prepared in front of you by the way, those subway originated the take. Is a release. His takes hot takes a whole fresh take the subway hotline SEF subway fresh shake hotline. Yeah. Yeah. They Jeez of the take one of the great ad campaigns The clock towed at the Celtics Rent. This has had a couple of times in the playoffs. It has no happening and I start yelling at the TV because the whole reason they're beating Miami and game one and they should have won this game and it's probably going to come back to haunt them. WHAT'S SPANNIS? They're playing with pace they're using their athletes they're pushing the ball and they can they're not going slow. It's not turning into a slow half court game and then all of a sudden. They're forty feet from the basket with eight seconds left on the shot clock just kind of dribbling this way. It wasn't just the last minute. This is probably eight or nine plays and regulation. T words just like they're killing clock like like they have like an eight point lead they're running the four corners and I thought it was just bizarre and I thought it cost them the game. Yeah. There was one Campbell one in particular where he just dribbled it the whole time and then you're like look even if you get the angle but help guys gonNA be bigger than you and at that point with the help with how long you took to drive. Yeah. There's four somebody what's happening, right? Yeah. That's that's what I can't stand with some of these clocks where. You Go. All right. Fine. I get that I'm not even talk about the last second where I don't WanNa leave anything left on the clock you're talking to either still one forty left in your possession and the whole reason you like the Celtics team is they've got four guys that can make a basket and then when you decide, Hey I, want you guys to watch and. I think it happened more probably going back fifteen years. I don't know I can keep track of blitzing opposing pointers felt like that was defense is like first movement where they blitz, they bring the big they keep it with the point guard and that's why teams are always scared off a small point. Guards are still teams are scared off of it and also times were you blitz Campbell and he still good enough to get around you turn the corner, and now you're talking about four on three or maybe even five on three if he still has the ball and there's a couple of times, they swung it and they made some good decisions. But for as much as I love Tatum, he had going on in the Toronto thing a little bit in the final numbers are great. Maybe it's because we have such high expectations for tatum because everything you said about who could possibly be I'm with you I don't have a ceiling for him and it's it's so kindly now and some of the passing he's making in the defensive assignments were like, Brad. Actually likes him better than anybody else defensively when he has jalen and Marcus is guarded butts are on the big the big play the game I thought smart was going to guard and he picked them, but I can't help but think the Celtics. One game that could have gone either way. Miami's the better basketball team of the two but to just let. Yourselves take yourself out of your offense like that and not even ask Miami to defend anything. That's that's not what I expect from Brad. Stevens the Celtics and Tatum did it too many times to close the sky? We'll talk about Kim in a second the difference between the reason Miami won this game in Boston laws comes down to to place for me. TATUM at the deregulation. Playing for the last shot. And it was almost you could hear it was like he was channeling Kobe is very. Terrible Koby Hero ball possession that all you know it goes in once but they never show the youtube clip of the two thousand times when it didn't go in ends up with just a terrible step back he do. It wasn't going and when he shot it, 'cause he's running for the rebound. And it's just like dude. You're you're incredible athlete you can get to the basket anytime. You want get to the basket, try to draw foul, get some contact getting the air maybe we get offense rebound whatever go to the basket. So now we go into overtime. Butler same situation right? He's I think they're down one. Takes tatum off the dribble goes into him and he's just like you're I'm getting a foul. AM getting the ball's GonNa hit the Rim and I make it at three point play. But I'm deciding this myself. I'm not doing some garbage step back thing not that wouldn't tatum does it's garbage. It's just like I just want my guys going to the basket. So when he got blocked the end by Bam, which was incredible block one of the greatest. Of all time love that I'll defend that a hundred times out of one hundred with tatum. Should he have dunk I? Don't know. Could he have tried to finger or try to get things? You can get on tatum for it's not getting rejected by Bam know what I'm saying no, I'm I'm say could he try to bang? Get contact I. Don't know who cares you try to throw it down and made one of the greatest defensive plays I've ever seen in a playoff game. So I'm not I'll tell you this I been watching the Celtics for. How? Many I've never seen anybody block that tatum dunk have you. Set happened before he remembers almost Lebron Oh no, he did get Lebron eighteen memory got on an eighteen and Lebron got the laugh about it because they WANNA game seven. So it didn't really matter So yeah, I don't I don't know that. Bam play I I don't feel like it is recently is to say it's one of the most amazing blocks I've ever seen a basketball game with everything. You have to your arms behind you as somebody dot com hawking at like the odds are. I think more likely. You separate your shoulder, 'cause your shoulders getting pulled backwards out of your body but somehow. He bought. The dribble into traffic one, eighty turnarounds where he goes off a one leg like what are you doing tatum are you trying to make this even harder and by the way you right the Butler drive 'cause he'd hit that three before when you probably at that point the Celtics were GonNa win the game and Butler been pretty quiet twelve points going into the fourth quarter. He hits that three in the corner and you're like, Oh, here we go Jimmy time because really I think the scary part for the Celtics term in this is that Even though we both have be Miami's better you go but they don't have the big as great as is they don't have the big to exploited. They don't have the good big because of bad big and that's why I think nick nurse struggled with how many sold minutes he wanted to play more because he was big because even though Baca was the better player he's like now I'm playing right into the Boston. Thing by being small with them and I'm not exaggerating their frontline. She played a Baltimore though well, yeah I would agree with that but I think I can understand what he was trying to do and we're Miami you'll go wait a minute. They can't really expect that part of it. But when when Butler hit that insane and one layup, there's also a play off to the side where dragon jogging and JAE crowder arguing about who's supposed to set the screen and Butler just says, fuck it I'm going. Like if you look back at that play butlers like whatever you guys like out of the way done and that's what I think. Every philly fan watches and Mrs, it's like you know what? Butler we've done it before we don't need to do it all again what's a standing as we update these things by the minute but to know that you have somebody after we just watch the clippers team where it looked like every single guy I was afraid for twelve minutes. Jimmy's just at least never going to be afraid even if he's not one of the top overall guys every single year and it was a little bit of like Tatum, the best player in this series tatum's going to be the best player in the series. This is GONNA be awesome. That's not the way it closed his tena made a million mistakes. Jimmy may two huge place. It's even worse than that you. I'm glad you compared the clippers to them. The heat have so many. Bad Mother fuckers. In this series Bam worrier. Drago not afraid of, anybody. Jae crowder. Johnson is first submachine gun at nine years old. crowder. crowder You know maybe could could dip into the Marcus Morris in this game tonight side but I think is more the guy that we saw today where you want him out there and crunch time he's GonNa Fight and he's GonNa make plays and then in front of the toughest assignment to crowds the goon yeah he was the one guarding Janas not Bam and he's in crowder's Ben in big games like they made the two thousand seventeen eastern finals at year when he got concussed by air and then hero is the least afraid of anybody in the League. At the fucking balls that he has. That three he took near the end deregulation was like it wasn't even a play was just like he was open for a split second fuck it and it was a huge three. If if you hit you what it was like a Marcus smart terrible three but it went in and I don't know this team has a lot of swagger to it I think it'd be really hard to beat I felt that would for the series. I think the fact that the Celtics over and over again in these games they they're up ten, they're up twelve, not just Miami, but the playoffs there up fifteen thirteen but they don't have a bench, and at some point, you have to play the starters two minutes. Or the bench is going to let up a little bit and all the sudden. It's a two point game. Again, you saw it again today and the other thing that the heat you know they made how many threes they were sixteen for thirty, six, forty, four percent. From three in this game. I wouldn't say they're red hot. That's kind of who they are. They're going to be between thirty, eight and forty four percent game to game. They're gonNA hit between fifteen and twenty three so they're never going to go away. You're not blowing them out. Now, and even when Boston got up, you know I don't know why. People. Watch games where a team goes up fifteen and the other team comes back. That's that's normal where they come back. So even when Boston was up early and Marcus smart like Marcus smart hitting shots earlier like, okay. This is weird because you know there's GonNa be some late one common like but he's GonNa take them and you have to you know. What you know when Marcus hits a few in first quarter, it's actually you get word. Is then Walter McCarty ling. Well that. Yeah. Oh, he's a now I got this guys. I'd rather he he missed early and then hit some late. Let me give you. Let me give you some more numbers on the threes dome. Sorry. But like Cambodia got his last five games, one, six, one, six, one, six, one, seven, one, nine when it's against Toronto were Toronto's entire defense was set up to screw you up and you're watching going like that was hard. It was really hard for comedy give free on that box of one against Toronto, it worked on stopping Kimba it's not worth to the point where you want enough games to win the series but then. You're looking at this Miami part of you're going. Okay. It isn't box like you have your free looks to come off that high screen dribble into your three. Kemba is not a catch and shoot three. I don't know what the numbers are just doesn't look comfortable at all. He's so much more comfortable dribbling into three point attempt. Those shots are their form again, and now this is five straight games. Guy Can't hit any shots and I think he's moving. All right. So I don't know what the deal is here. I'm on a lot of Kimba techs threads right now. House Dr Bill doing on it. He doesn't understand what happened to Kemba. It's there's three types of text reds one. Is He hurt. They're not telling us and it doesn't look like he's her. And then to it's like what the fuck happened the Kemba because this guy was awesome. Certain season like he you know He. Not. Only is like a forty plus three point shooter. But. You know he could beat people off the dribble and he has like these three spots a little like Chris Paul is like his little spot on the right free throw line. He's got his little pretend driving that does the step back twelve footer, and then he's got like a toy. So he has his shot said he just consistently hits never really seen. Miss them consistently, and now none of them are going in and. Trying to figure out what happened to this guy and I really think it's a simple zest. This is This is Dr Psychologists Bill Simmons Down, my dad myself my theory licensed. He hasn't been in a big game since March Badness Yukon nine years ago. And I think he wants the so badly. And this is an it's almost a I. wouldn't say it's like when you say somebody's choking. It's almost like he wants to march and he's thrown himself at his game because some of the stuff he's doing is is stuff that I've never seen him do before the path one time today he passed up an open three. So he could pass to Marcus smart for contested three and it's like you just never do that in January. You just take that every time and then some of the stuff when he's driving to the basket, it's like his hands off and it just seems like he's pressing me. I definitely think he's pressing. So I would say it's more that because I don't like when a guys out there running around for forty minutes. Ross was guys hurt because he has some injury history from before even though I think all of us think that watch it closely that there could be a lingering. There with Campbell but not enough to use it as an excuse that you can't hit a shot now for five straight games but his drives into traffic. Not Without much of a plan and you're always going to be the smallest guy there and you're not some high flying guys. But like the last five years, he's been thirty, eight, thirty, seven, thirty, nine percent from three. He's a really good three point shooter a guy that can really number-one option when he had no help like the numbers he was putting up with that Charlotte team where there's wasn't like there's another guy in owner wasn't like he was doing some absolutely gross shot attempt thing to get his numbers. These are really good players. So this is this is alarming that it's gone on for this long and I. He's. The last three, Games. He is thirteen for forty six. It's game stakes game seven game one today, and I liked some of the stuff they were doing late in the game they were just doing a to me a game with tatum and camera trying to figure out like, okay. Well, if we get to switch year that we like like, how do you WANNA attack it but then it's like, okay like at least with Yokich and Murray and the two man game even though it's predictable, there's different options off of it when it's right again, I'll. Admit. There's Times I didn't always like it with Kimba and tatum. It was just okay. We got a switch right who wants to do an Eyeso- I do oh all right. I'll get the next one. I couldn't believe I couldn't believe how bad it was at the end of that game but Miami was tougher. They were tougher than them at the end and by the way the game should even gone overtime. 'cause smart flops gets bullshit call before the inbound they take the free throw and it's Just. Such a horrible look. It's such a bad look in that spot because you go you only made the call because he fell down I'm going to ask people and I know softball stats holy cross to onto game sow. Shout to the whole. Worcester crew. But how many times did you fall down and pick up games two zero the answer's probably zero when everybody was pretty good like maybe somebody falls on a layup attempt maybe somebody could follow guys don't fall down this much normally in A. Basketball game everybody falls dead. The greatest athletes on the planet are falling down left and right, and it's like flopping isn't as bad in the game but some of the off the ball flopping that gets called now and I just don't understand like I think the league needs to really revamp this to actually make it harsher to go and lets you saw someone absolutely get crushed on something. Let's default to they probably flopped because most guys strong wouldn't be falling down for two and a half hours. Well. The Kemba today I actually liked a lot of the shots he got. Aren't away the end of the game, but it certainly had a lot more freedom than he did in the Toronto series and I also like the fact that defensively. They could hide them on a couple of different guys like there were times when he was just guarding crowder. Because if. Probably. Only three. Yeah. It's like if you're going to exploit if you'RE GONNA post come up with crowder like please go ahead knock yourself out that'd be great or Oregon said. Please post them up So I think, I. Think this is a better series for them. The dragons thing is a problem. Obviously I think those are the type of guards and I said this on Sunday night those type of guards that have just killed these celtics teams over the last couple years. It's a one type of guy that Marcus in greater gardening. I think they did a really nice job on butler. You know he hits at three in the corner that huge three hit I think. Either an OT regulation whatever. But that was regulation the one in the right corner he he was. Broken play no, and it was a broken play and he stepped up as the defense behind but he was a non factor this you right about drudge carried them when it was weird. They had an amazing second quarter and then hero hit that one big three. Drug it's early was I thought really important to kind of keep in a minute. But worries me the most is. I mean why they actually want to make her was pretty good today that would. Water make. Get. Yes, he was and they actually brought him in for defense at the end which I don't remember them going offense defense with Campbell Lake then began but they don't really they can't play Robin Williams against Olympic because all my is going to do is they're going to hunt him and sneak Olympic off and shoot threes, and then they'll have take Williams out grant lames is going to have to play, which means Miami's GonNa leave him open. Then other than that. It's owes lands of that. My point is everyone's like. Well, Hayward's coming back this series. Okay. Well, if were, let's say comes back for Game Two, he plays twenty minutes. We're not getting like Peak Gordon Hayward like we've seen him come back from Injuries Zoe's tentative. He's going to be rusty. Even if he plays out of it, that's not going to be game five game sex, and I just think the Seltzer in trouble because this team. The dirty secret of that Toronto Series was Toronto has very good. that. Go look at the stats. Go look at their shooting stuff like van, veen fleet in and. Even, lower didn't shoot that. Well, Baca was the only guy who really are shot well for them in that series it was just they were so tough and there were so well coached and they knew every trick in the book and they were drag that series two seven meanwhile Boston when six of the seven games basically. To work against us, Miami is really talented I think they're the most talented team left I would have said that before the clippers lost. I don't know that I can see most talented when I, still think like they're one two in the drop off from where the clippers were. In the Lakers, I mean that's that's what we are doing here. Top Tier Talent. They don't have one top ten guide they don't have one top ten guy the Lakers have to five I like their one through nine more than any other team including the clippers who are now got. Now. I know what the argument is because then you go one through nine, that's why I think the Lebron Promo it's like we're built different men were like Whoa. Yeah. Those right route three three would you rather have a great one two and then a bunch of rather have a great one and two you it Yeah I think history tells us. You'd rather have a great one and two. But the difference between Miami's DEP is it? They're going to be able to do different stuff. They just are I'm GonNa say this right now Qaeda Kyle get the record button ready. If. Miami plays this Lakers team Miami gets by Boston and the Lakers get Denver. I think it is a two, four, two, thousand, four finals scenario. In the making for upset. I. Think it's a terrible matchup for the Lakers. while. So you're talking Pistons figure out, and then every game you're expected to Lakers to figure it out. Yeah They got it, and then it's going to be like this clippers nuggets series the series is over. Yeah the difference is that Lakers won't be coming off of a bunch of titles in a row or they're sort of over it because they're not as hungry to good plan and that's also something that I think is kind of funny. You'd think of the irony of some of the discussions around. where it's like, what do we do with this guy? If he goes to three different franchises and wins the title like it's never been done this crazy. What do you do and my argument was impressive that is. The differences that the great players of all the other generations wouldn't have jumped to three teams in three years and put them in position. They would have won a title they would have stayed in a lot of these. I stayed for the prime of their careers and we have this odd. Deal here but Lebron is actually close to doing the thing. We were ready to start plotting Kawai for doing which we didn't really talk about. I thought on Sunday night I thought Miami should be favored in this series. And I thought they're going to win the series unless tatum went up level. So I still feel like that's in play and another that's kind of a cop out like we'll just picked the series. That's like that's my pick think Miami's going to win the series unless tatum. Vaults up a level little like durant in two, thousand twelve and that Spurs series in just everything that happened were durant went up a level, and then it was like this guy's the best part in the series they're going to win as what has tapped for Boston. There's a scenario where kemba shakes out of this slump and starts hitting shots again and may go back to being a twenty five points a game guy but I can't bank on it anymore we've he just hasn't been good. You know really in the bubble like that other than a couple of Philly Games and now I'm not counting anymore. NOPE, nope. Minds better basketball team, and if also has gotten this one, you know who knows it's still not impossible. The Miami thing that's like they roll through Milwaukee but I mean, it's still feels weird. If they'd played I think an eighty two game schedule and I threw that number out to they would have been a forty nine, one team I know. But the thing is the crowder iggy trade that changed their team I don't think. I. Don't think Iggy does much for at all. But I I just think it rounds them out and it gives them flexibility. They didn't have before and the hero just got better as the year went along was the other piece All right. Quickly a couple more things and then we'll go because I want to get this podcast up Most Fun D. Tony Team for you. Where do you want him to go? Okay. I'm well. We've heard the philly thing for a while. I really hope. So doesn't happen please now I don't I. Don't know that it makes a ton of sense for him because it's just not built that way unless it's a check unless he looks at it one more time and says, Hey, this is the check and I'm ready to go It's probably New Orleans yeah that's how I. Feel. This'll be the best thing happened Alonzo right here the car keys, Lonzo. I'm showing Steve Nash and And James. Harden videotapes all summer spread the floor for you do some Lonzo stuff now whether he's that type of player I don't know but he's just been great with point guards but he got Jeremy. Lin to look like an all star for. For weeks. So of Lonzo could be redeemed and KFC. Did a good job talking about this the other day and his podcast about With Lonzo went south it wasn't just a shooting. It was like this guy on the Lakers looked at Katie chance to be a semi special defensive player doesn't play defense anymore in New Orleans so. I don't know if Dantonio the one. WHO's GonNa be tapping into that but I? Would be really fun. The mourn thing is Lonzo look so bad on the restart. that. I WANNA forget it happened in give them a clean slate that he goes into a normal season looking like the player. That looked like he was gonna you know he's gone from who I kind of like this I like these inbetween things he does and nobody else understands he was really good defensively he's smart defensive player in the concepts and then you're like, Oh this guy is going to be a boss. He stinks he's He can't shoot. He's on you don't even guard him and then this year in the normal phase of of the season. There were really some good things to did they were watching if a shot was better he had to be somebody at least had a close out on respect enough and yet the defensive part of it. I mean God. It was so bad watch him come back I'm just GONNA pretend it didn't happen in do let clean slate Lonzo thing I think that's fair. Yeah I think the restart was too short. So let's see. Does. Lonzo sham face in your opinion. No because he went to, you can't have shamet facing Goto. Does Gary Harris F- sham face he went pretty high though. Check. Would you try? Here's the next thing for you. Would you trade? Drew Holiday for the number two pick injure wiggins and the Minnesota. Three protective pick next year. I got three more years a wiggins though, right? Yeah. You know I probably. Drew Holidays like thirty one now I probably. Would I think I would. And I think I would if I'm. GOLDEN STATE I could curry clay drew holiday draymond and free agent to ever. Jacob Evans. Yeah that one I mean wiggins immediately scares me off every time. I hear the name but I I kinda look maybe I'm insane person but. Do I Kinda WanNa hear. By the way Jacob Evans fishy Minnesota just want to double check that for the huge of Evans fans out there Am I nuts for wanting to kind of see what wiggins looks like with the rest of those guys. That would be where I landed as well. If I were them, I would trade back and try to get somebody to FA- dad like seventeen million dollar trade exception. I would trade back from two. Nine ten eleven range to some team that's hot to TROT FOR LIKE TO GET SOMEBODY SECOND And try to steal some like Jeremy Grant type whoever that version? Yeah, right. Yeah and you go back and you get like the eighth pack and you get that guy, he put them in the trade exception I think that's a better move. I would want the draft pick because of the the fixed costs and I like some of the guys in this draft. Yeah. That's where I think the New Orleans thing would be interesting because you could I'd have to look at their salary sheet i. Pulled up right now but with the two picks, Save you enough that if Zion stays healthy in your bill, you get a second reset with Zion to bring in somebody around him But also with golden state in how the salaries I mean, the four guys in salaries are so nuts. Yet, if you're moving wiggins out, you still are so high up salary. Wise. That'd be amazing to get a couple of picks just for that that cost effectiveness of it and you would figure you know at the very least you get a rotation guy but maybe not this year who knows. Now, net next thing for you. For data calls you. Or for TITA. For Tita yeah. Either one. Whatever however you pronounce his name he calls. His I. Is A hey. Just I'm just been calling around people I. Respect. I'm a huge fan of the podcast. What would you do if you were me? Would you run this back with this team? A different coach? Would you try to get a big? What would you do? I go. Hate is James WanNa play with Russ again or can you Trade Russ? And by the way trying to trust. Is, sitting at the worst possible like if you've been able to trade him, well, you didn't even want to trade him I. Think Hard Instill Likes Russ. I got know what what's important harden I go Kay the new coach comes in he doesn't want to let you dribble the ball between your legs for forty. fucking. percent, of the game. Do you do want doing that. That are you Do we need to do this another year to see that it doesn't work like what are you? What are you looking for James and I don't even know what kind of answer you get from James Hardy probably be like, oh Built, different of a problem I would I would blow this whole thing up I would. I can't imagine owning the team in having to watch this and then sign all the checks. So I would as talented as harden is I. I would not want to run now. I don't know if with his money situation everybody cups keeps writing about how he's not liquid and with everything going on all the hotels and all that kind of stuff does he need to just be competitive? So it could trick all rockets fans, and if they can like, Hey, man, you know who's been on fire. This February's harden and we went we went twelve and three in our last fifteen. I think we could really do it this year does that enough that you know and again who knows what normal is is that enough like what would you do? All right let's turn it around. He calls you what would you do? Hey, Bill I WANNA make you. GM, go. I think because you have no other choice. You talk yourself into how the team looked in February. In, what that could look like outside the bubble with fans and Was GonNA look. No. I'm not saying it's right but I think it's like a relationship where you break up with somebody and then you get back together them back. Maybe, she won't cheat on me with other guys again in new each talk yourself or whatever. You want I think maybe she only goes meth on the weekend. I think the reality of this team is that their window is two, thousand, eighteen in two, thousand eighteen, and then the other thing was they for eighteen they deserve a ton of credit came damn close. But the other thing I think that fucked was traded Chris Paul. Not Realizing that he was about to go to this plant based Diet that completely changed his career like go Google Chris. Paul Plant based. Diet. He. We he basically went a time machine back to two thousand, fourteen athletically, and that's why he looked so good this year he a chip on a shoulder to but I think they had known that was going to happen. The smarter move is just to keep Chris Paul and those two extra first round picks and the contract that ended entity year earlier than Russ. I. Think. Selling, selling high on. Chris. Paul because his career is about to go in the POO. Poo And they didn't realize that he was about to have this kind of rejuvenation Don't make it falls in her no postman her. Okay. So I'm not but Paul's argument was hey, I'm still beating guys off the dribble folks. Okay. Like all you to want me in a retirement home here I'm still taking people off the dribble. The problem is is harden doesn't move okay off the ball hard doesn't do anything and you can say that it spaces everything but like the defenders, no in big spots wants James's in the play he's not on the plane honor to pay attention to him. That was Paul's beef but I also think because Paul's like this this Hiaqiu basketball guy, he'd be. pissed at hard time and hardens like this is my team I'm sick of this shit, I get along with Russ better anyway and so hard and goes to management or excuse me goes to ownership and says I want to play with Russ so I think that's your biggest problem even if you wanna try the hard thing again, the guys incredibly productive we know this he's healthy he's going to hold up I think for a really long time but I'd WanNa know like, Hey, do you WanNa keep playing the style? Okay. You do will the russ part like I know those two months were incredible we open All up but like do we want to just be incredible in February or March we want to have a real shot at this because having real shot at this way we were constructed right now we'd probably don't have a great chance and that's the biggest like the Covington things great I love PJ Tucker Eric Gordon. You know look up and down. But for where he is on this team is the third sometimes fourth guides. It's not that big of a deal, but I would have to know her hardens heads that with the whole thing 'cause just a run it back with Russ in him which is. Probably, what happens because I think trading four Ross is really really hard. The only teams I ever hear Hecht about Ross happens I. Think I've heard this before but a team that would sit around and be like we're stale. We haven't done shit were totally off the radar for five something years. Do we just throw a bunch of pieces at Ross and say, all right we've got a superstar and I'm using air quotes were superstar with Russ to we just do it to shake it all up and be different have a cooler attraction and then you're like wait he's forty four million and he's hurt. Well, it's In the seventies and eighties in the NBA like Russell would have been traded two more times. It's like like George McGinnis, where phillies like, Hey, man. Any interest in George McGinnis Denver's like yeah. That guy's great. Here's Bobby Jones. then. They give Bobby Jones. The best defensive for in the league straight up for George McGinnis because back then like people barely knew how to run a team and we still have that with certain teams like I could like a team like Sacramento go hey. Russ me win the MVP three years ago. Could you sell tickets for us put at the Fox? Exactly that's buddy. Buddy held Russ like we're getting the better player and then all of a sudden russes on your tape. Addresses moved again and it's like wait I thought you James Harden were. So coast James Yet, but he healed spot up shooter So my guess is they'll run back new coach. Blame stuff on the bubble and the fact that you know Russel's banged up well, don't blame somebody blame somebody that was those articles are coming. as there's very little accountability. without authorization. This I mean look the referee report against Golden State two years ago. I still think it's one of the more embarrassing things. It was Joe. What's the best rumor you've heard of the past two weeks? That Jay Cutler's dating Tommy Laurent? HOW TOMMY LINEN Tommy Red Tie I think it's Tommy Conservative lady editor think about her. Is Tom Brady washed up. You `bout areas going I. Don't know what the Hell is. Problem is you looked like Tom, Brady practice I don't know what that was all about. We're like, WHOA, not used to that Here's here's something I want to tell you because I was I was actually a Mason Ireland out here on seven ten big fan of the show and they were doing the Brady segment where it was what does this mean I almost called in 'cause I just I can't. Believe In what world would we have twenty years of evidence that Brady's the fucking man and Bella checks the best to ever do it, and that somehow that still all on the balance with few weeks in his twentieth season at season forty three that would be like watching braveheart. And watching William Wallace the whole movie going. All right. All right. Okay. All right and then he gets his guts spoiler alert guts taken out at the end and then somebody the theaters actually goes hey, we're not that tough after all. Wasn't that tough. Like, what are you talking about like we already have? We have all of this evidence that they're both incredible I. Just I resist and I think less of the argument that somehow that this is some thing that's. Game. Winner loser. We're still not sure who's actually Eddie good in that. So that's not a bad rumors is a bad bad segment I thought. I saw your your your tweet was like, what was it ballot? Check one brady's era. Yeah. It's updated bill and Tom Powering kings bill one this week. Tom Too. But I'm going to see on next week plays out sowed. I talked about it on Sunday. And I don't feel like this is an overreaction. The Brady's lost his ability to Ed provides. And I think it's very important quality for the quarterback position. When. Something unexpected happens or when you have to plan see on a play. You early already there your. Case stifling. I've got that way last year I. What I saw in this game was a continuation of last year where he's he's become like. A stage actor who has to have the lines exactly how he memorize them, and then the other actors have to say their lines exactly and he's used to it but if somebody ad libs on 'em. He kinda does know how to roll within anymore. That's what I see when I watch him. I think he knows what he's doing for two and a half seconds when the ball's snapped. And if anything goes wrong either throws, it away doesn't WanNa get hit and he's not ready to experiment. You WanNa do it anymore That's what I see. As somebody WHO's watched it. Now, for two decades of my life, he used to have the supernatural ability to move around and create an extra second, extra second and a half just kind of move around without being like a scrambler like Josh Allen know his mobility in the pockets the best I've ever seen mobility in the pocket. He's not mobile quarterback, but his mobility, which is I think far more important than getting. He doesn't like that anymore he just doesn't and I think these teams are going off. They're just sending dudes Adam because they're like if we can get to him, we can start hitting him. He's GonNa he's GonNa not be able to do his thing he's just not. Now, he did get like hundred yards of pass interference on top his stats. I think his stats are a little deceiving but I thought he had like five or six like really terrible place that I don't think you can chalk up to uh does know his teammates yet? That wasn't what I saw I saw guy was forty three or didn't really WANNA get hit. I thought the Evans throw where it was the first pick I could see how that could be on Evans. But against twenty years of thinking, it was never his fault on any interception and that's how good he was because you're usually go back and look at every interception in those peak Brady fifteen years and you go. Yeah. All right. Actually see what? happened. Here and why that went wrong. I don't know whose fault that was the throat of the right looked like it just took a long time to get the ball over there, and that's the throw where people will tell you when it goes. That's the thirty you can't really make any more. It was funny. Watching drew lock it up and Manning. Yeah, we'll manning's it was over it. He's having to throw pop ups to get the ball down the field because throwing it higher in the air, it was easier to recover if you're the defender on the row but. He's not as bad as manning I wouldn't compare that. Good good. Good. Glad we got that other way is about to go there anyway, but you know drew lock. For, Denver he had a throw to the sideline that was sick in that game against stub against Tennessee and I was like, Oh that's right because Brady's look so bad I'm going to go ahead and in wait because Brady's huge well, we know this I don't need to say thanks stops in that. We know that Brady. Is A REP. There's no way he get the rhapsody who's going to get I don't know why you wouldn't defer to. Brady. That's what elway did the Great Peyton manning story when he was in his free agent toward he goes to Harbaugh in harbaugh playing catch and Harbaugh's actually like A. Little something of the ball and Harbaugh's like you're gonNA res like, what are we gonNA run? Run. I'M GONNA, run run my stuff and then he goes elway L. is we run whatever you want I. Don't know why you'd bring Brady in and tell him he can't run his stuff that he's comfortable with so I got to see more of him looking bad before I'm ready to write this off although the accuracy numbers last year there was a lot that weren't very good. How about that? He's forty three years old. You know that stat about the seven games. Yeah. That that stat and I'll repeat over time seven games have been started by a quarterback forty three or older is history. This was never gonNA end well and There's GonNa, be a season where it just is a rough season and then it's GonNa end and it was Brett Farve to those Dan Manny in that last season with a win the super bowl they barely did it but it was jarring because I was with our watching the Arizona's Cisco game on TV and then bucks saying about cuyler how `bout his that you're watching cuyler and then you watch him brady and it's like. If a cardinals play went wrong kyle inspect. All right. Cool. I'm going to run for eleven yards, and by the way he had like thirteen runs he had cutler had thirteen runs. He either ran out of bounds slid or scored twelve of the thirteen. You only get hit one time he's dominated it and you watch brady who it's like if the plane go perfectly the first two seconds it was either he's throwing it away or getting hit or God only knows and is like, all right. It's it's hard to say he's the goat anymore even though he's the goat. I'm just not ready to. I'm not ready to say that it's like you sound like you're ready to just right I'm pretty I eight. I was rooting for him I I. Really I, bet on them like I wanted to root forum and and it was a bummer. Is this like when older buddies show up alums come back to school and there like twenty five and they get shit faced with you and they sleep on your couch and they wake up at your house and you look at them and you're like, Oh, God. Guy. Look. So old. You never had a lump sleepy your house. We had that we had a couple and we were like horrified for like what the Hell is. That was GONNA happen to us I was thinking last two years bird. When it's like, he looks like Larry Bird you can still put up twenty. He'd have a couple couple of awesome games but it was like I knew is different I just didn't want to admit it. Well. We'll see. I'm shocked to use the Celtics as A. That was amazing. He loves Scotty Miller. I'll tell you a tae Joe. He loves Scotty Miller. He really loves this guy loves a here that all your Russillo thanks for staying up late on a Tuesday night to commemorate the clip. Clip, pacalypse. Of A two thousand, twenty trademark. Of TM. All right. You have a podcast coming Thursday I do as well. We will We'll see then. All right. Thanks to you spotify. Thanks to resell it. Thanks to subway. Remember we made some bad causing some good causes week. But it is still foot long season at subways. Let's try to keep a mainly good. Okay. Start by grabbing a delicious fresh prepared for long with all your favorite toppings or head in the subway APP, which is very good for contact for your and payment to make pick up or delivery quick and easy forget about that Fried Greasy food grab a tasty foot long on game day or any day because it's foot long season. At the don't forget about the Rewatch watchable whereas the than unfaithful I have another podcast on. Thursday with a couple of famous guests excited for it.

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HOUR 1: Bad loss for the Hawks; Sixers beat Nuggets; Ric Bucher

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HOUR 1: Bad loss for the Hawks; Sixers beat Nuggets; Ric Bucher

"It has always we are brought to you by Ziprecruiter. The smartest way to hire try ziprecruiter for free by going to SIP RECRUITER DOT com slash. Enter on show today style. We've got Rick Euchre the NBA enlightener coming out in about thirty minutes is GONNA join us for an hour. We we were three and last night in our in our first ever scallon pals better the night all three of us you me and McDonough nailed our picks against the spread last night so three no free money. We're handing out here. We're GONNA keep doing that every day like I said we could be terrible but last night we are great so hopefully if he did some sort of parlay with those three teams are probably a richer man today by the way were great yesterday did you Emmy I did you see. I mean some word Emily Man. If you were a gambling man you would have been praising the Lord to I flipped over because I ended up. I was like this. Game's over. They'RE NOT GONNA they're not gonNA cover so I up and over to the sixers nuggets game and then I saw there an overtime and they're up by like eight and and I'm like this thing is wait a second so I missed it live. I ended up watching it back after watching some of the highlights. Listen I'm a lucky man. I took a minus eight and a half last night. That game was the hawks were leading most of that game. And they're up six points with a minute left trae young declares that over infamously now all over social media Jimmy Butler everybody's posting about it and the and the heat end up getting into overtime and then covering the happen that you own a twenty to nothing runs scale from a minute. Left in regulation -regulation all the way through overtime twenty to nothing run to cover so listen. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than it is to be good scout. Yeah this might be the hawks. Ah when you have when you're on the road against a good team and you go up six with fifty six seconds to go and you can't close goes out and then in overtime you can't regroup. That's just that is Cerruti and Ryan mcdonagh calling it. Be Calling it for. What is these guys are too young and not ready to win yet and they had a good game like those guys played good? They moved the ball. They did a lot of good things. But when we call it nut cutting time nowhere to be found nowhere to be found and you talk about your boy. I'm telling you you think your boy too big time score because he scores a lot of points big time scores. Don't get outscored like that down the stretch. Come on well you know first off. You're talking about you're saying my boy. Ironically I hope because I mean I. It's not that I don't like trae young but no I don't know your point scorer your boy I I'm talking about your boy. trae young young. He's our boy he's my boy. Whatever but I don't think he's here to score he scores point but I don't? I'm not looking at him like to me. A score is a guy get his shot. Got Any time of the game late in the game. They're going to get a good look like to me. trae young is a playmaker. He the ball mover. He gets other people involved so therefore a big time scores people who are third in the NBA and scoring Cerruti. Don't get outscored like that and cannot answer the call so to me. Well more playmaker Anchorman Scorer. I'll say this though. I mean in his defense. Listen it's a young team. I I've been on record multi thing I just don't I didn't think this was the year for them. I think we're we're showing. Why even without John Collins? I typically if you're up six with a minute left. I wonder what the wind probably probably like in the high nineties. Right Ninety nine ninety ninety nine percent so there you go so what happened. was those cow. They took him out so after that he he ends up passing to Alex Len per dunk puts them up six. He does the it's over. It's is over almost like a Mazda. Vince Carter in the dunk contest in two thousand and as a minute left they take him out of the game. Lloyd Pierce obviously still a young coach and inexperienced coached. Take some out of the game. I I kind of understand it scowl for defensive purposes. Because if you'RE GONNA win that game you're going to need to get stops right. And they clearly the he hit a couple threes and tying it up singing it's overtime and after the game trae young was asked about it and I didn't I didn't see the salary thing but there was some quote saying you know He. He just seemed he seemed unhappy and a little bit befuddled by why he wasn't in the game so he gets taken out now from about a minute left in the game and it gets put back in with under thirty seconds once the game had already sort of been tied to sort of try to go and win. The game is that is that a massive mistake by Lord Pearce because on one hand. I go transit bad defensive player and you need to get stopped so I understand the substitution the other hand. You're like okay. Are you GonNa take your best player off the court when the game still not over yet you still need to score some points so that was a mistake because when you're up by six the only thing that can really beat you is three right so if you don't the reason neck wreck trae young not a good defender. Because he can't rebound his position and down when he ain't he gets posted up right too small so who cares like I want the Miami. Am Heat with fifty six seconds ago up by six to post up. trae young. Do whatever you want to do and I would kill trae young. Just pull your hands back because you gotTA think they get a post up you move the ball. Many forces guy off the blog maybe takes dribble saw time. That's in your favor all you have to do is take away. The three point shot at that point. Then who would you rather have a controlling pace or controlling the last shot. Yeah you want trae young running clock down to less than ten. I mean you can even give it up to side to as I get it back ten seconds to go so now you think you're go- Fifty six say it takes sixteen seconds down to forty to say he thinks clock down all the way down down. You know twenty four seconds you still have a four point lead. You have to play that game so in that sense if you like. I agree with peers. If you need one-stop one-stop and they can get a two or they get a three or the offense rebound can kill you but when you're up by six there's no re there's no reason to take take trae young out of the game that's not GonNa kill you. His size is not gonNA come into play. When you're up by six and we'll come into play on different possession so mistake I mean I like appear spot either great guy? I think he's a good coach. You know how much I've talked about him. He was team. USA You know they. They talk about Japan Gun. He talked about how great he's been. How all the coaches have braved about him but up by six a mistake you just run you? Roll trae young because he's your best ball handler and as soon as that game went to. Ot Scou- yeah. There was zero chance to hawks. We're GONNA win that game. There was zero chance. That Ankara's Wild twenty-two nothing's bad but even if it wasn't twenty two zero once the the hawks had been like again young team they had been up the entire game. This we're coming up. Yesterday we talked about trae young being upset about sort of all the losing in the teams are promised. They you were getting you help and we're going to get you some help. We're going to get you some more help. It's not going to be all on you. We're going to get John Collins back so this would this would have been their best probably win of the season Scowl and they just blow in in pretty terrible fashion and. I don't know if you saw instagram. After the game to Jimmy Butler posted a video. Basically sit with the video of trae young. Basically saying the game's over he said this is mad. At trae. Young is a teller of the future. He was right. The game was over and you have draymond green. You Have Klay Thompson you have even Joel embiid all get involved during the crying Based EMOJI and try to trace credit he tweeted about it too he just Kinda you know shoulder shrug. He played it off pretty funny on twitter as well. So listen young team. I don't I this but this is all. This is my issue with the Hawks but I will say this to Duncan Robinson. Some of these guys on the heat that they're getting production from Bam out of bio triple double last night Kendrick Nunn thirty points. It wasn't all Jimmy Butler. It was the other guys on this team. I famously said that I have been wrong on the heat that I am not early in the season I wasn't buying them as a top and topped your team in the Eastern Conference. They've clearly proved me wrong so far I mentioned to see what they do as it goes as as we get close to the December fifteen trade deadline and then the the the actual trade deadline in February you worry about whether or not they make some moves on the squad because I gotta I gotTa start with them more credit and I still don't think that there are team east. That can win the East but Dan. They're going to be a tough out in the playoffs playoffs. Yeah those guys are good because they put the time in like in the summertime. He's guys they're they're working. Hard Donnas has is organizing workout so like like I've worked out Dunkin Robinson going into his senior year at Michigan and he was good. I think he's a good player. His shot was much slower. You know I think he made because he had more time time with with John Does in Miami and He needed to get himself in great shape. Not good shape great shape or you never get tired. You wear people out. And that's exactly what he did. He got his shot is quick now he left it by his foot. Work is better. And he's in great shape. He doesn't get tired. He runs before he runs off screen. He moved the ball quick. He's very similar to Joe Harris in that sense. Like Joe Hairs has gotten in great shape. That's quick release and he knows when the ball is coming. Can I get a shot off or not. And if I can't he doesn't mess around just swing does somebody else and doesn't cut guys are hard to guard i. I hate guarding guys. He's like that much rather guard like delayed isolation players thing guard guys never stopped moving and can kill you with one shot. Yeah ten threes last assisted that they have going on there in Miami and I mean crow about the Jimmy Butler thing and I'm eating crow about the and that's okay but sometimes I listen. I backed them last night. Minus eight and a half and we'll take that when baby so three no to start Scallon Powell's do some of our best bats. We'll I think we'll do it every day to close the show. That'll be a kind of our thing is like all right. Let's look at the slate and we've always talked about Wednesday nights are are some of the best. Probably the most underrated day of the week. We've got a good slate tonight. You got your Celtics going against the Pacers in Indiana. That's a tough one. I think the patients are actually favored in that matchup. So we'll get to that Close the show out the other big game last actually. Do the one big game last night was the TNT game. And that is the sixers remaining undefeated at home beating Nikola Yokich and the the the nuggets and this was this was a game Murray got her Kinda early on missed most of the game but it was an impressive showing from embiid and the sixers and like I said they're great great at home but I was more. I don't know how much of this you got the C scale but this Yo crossing this joke is thing okay so you missed the first. The first Yoga Shell was held scoreless in the first quarter. And Tonight Greg Anthony. who was on the call was Kinda calling them out saying? Hey this is a big game. You're going against embiid. You need to come out aggressive. You need to come out and looking to score looking at you know kind of you know. Take advantage of your match. Take advantage of matchup. 'cause obviously it's a good match them bead but you know be the star that your team needs you to be and he thought he was way to pass the burly on he kicked it out later and this has been a sort of a theme with Yokich this year Scout. I don't know we've talked about the weight thing and I know some people think that's overrated. Some people think that he does really needs to get himself into much better shape. I don't know if it had to do with it last night. But Yokich Kinda goes to these. Lowe's where he he he kind of loses himself within a game and I think that's something that's been hurt Doug at this year. I expected it in August to be a little bit better than they are. I mean they're still good. Team is still sitting at the conference at Fourteen and eight but I thought between them and the jazz the continuity thing that they would have the advantage of over the Lakers over the clippers even over the rockets. We're trying to kind of get Russell Westbrook into their roster and both of those teams have been somewhat disappointing this year. What did you make of? What did you make the sixers win? Did that say more about the sixers or did that. Same more about Yokich in the nuggets. I'm not down on Yokich. Because like everybody is inserting their opinion on how he should play but he's so inside game really effective like so Yokich was in Boston the other night and Tommy Heinsohn was killing him about his weight in the way that he plays. He looks like he's tired tired. All the time is always open but he had thirty twelve against the Celtics. So like how tire could he have been out there killing substance and in the first first quarter he gets. I get it like you want. Everyone wants to insert their opinion getting that he should go out there and shoot the ball every time or dropped forty or whatever it is but what he wants to get everyone involved. That's just the way he played it. How do we know that that's not his version of how he gets his own rhythm so he could be effective? He likes to touch the ball moving. Besides the side going to dribble handoff in late in the game. That's when he can go and do by the way like I said I missed the first half and I was flying but just looking at plus eight an NBA minus-eight so like if we're saying he wasn't effective. He was the fact that they help his team win. Bench that of the nuggets and which is odd. Because usually Vincent sixers sets. That debt didn't do Bible show. I would never get Bible was good. I will never insert insert those superstars and especially you know guys like draymond green right good example of him. He doesn't score a lot of points in the game there. You'll be texted game so many different ways to run the offense astrium. We take a true point guard that gets everyone involved. Why are we in turning our opinion on how he should navigate his own game? Do you think I mean we. We've sort of hit on this before or because this this was like the match up of really the only two contending teams that have a center as their best player right and that's sort of like almost a dying breed in the league right most most teams they they go wing player. I in the bigs are usually kind of like the secondary pieces even if you look what the Lakers like. You know the bronze so running that show the only other team that might be in that category as the T. Wolves but I wouldn't consider them contender by any means and Mitch. They've lost five straight. They're kind of freefalling right now. So these are really the two teams in the League that that play through center that play traditionally a little bit. I know Yoga's because more playmaking center than embiid is but they're sort of bucking the trend of the rest of the league and it being a wing league do you. Do you have like a half it in well well. I don't think this is the honest. A traditional big boasts Galliano's he's listed as a power forward he's a ball handler. He runs through the offense. He's more of a traditional wing than he is a big. What is Yokich Yoga? Jason Yoga Center. Yes what's the difference. I mean besides yeah but but they both handle the ball. They both bring the ball all of the book. Paul playmaking the Nile. Because I I I would say Yoki explain making any only places back to the basket. Well what movie are remotely similar players. First off the athleticism. I don't think Yokich doesn't have the handle. That Janas has not the unbelievable handle but I would say that Yokich okay. It is more of a traditional now. He could step out and shoe but he's not making plays like he's not taking guys off the dribble and kicking it out or Lebron is were. Were kind of like you know point four hours to say Yolk. It's more does his thing. He'll get the ball ticket. outdraw double team like I don't see he and be more similar that I think you honest does y'all's to me. I always power forward but he is more of a point forward. You said other contending teams these are the only two that are there. Big is their best player. You have to explain to me how this is not a big this is a wing. He's a wing player. That's what I would. I mean I know that he goes downhill. But he's not a traditional like you've got your traditional back to the basket big I know. He doesn't awesome bunnies he does. But he's more like Lebron than he is like Yokich. He's more like Lebron than yeah way. More like Lebron than Yokich Yup so okay so so okay. That's a fact the state you're stating a fact which may have something to do this argument or not Yokich Yokich. It's back to the back I'll give you MB. I'm with you on that. There's no question about that I think. NBC's a True True Center. But I'm I'm confused by Yokich eleven assists assist. You'll catch the ball going through him. He'll bring the ball up as a point guard. I get it you WANNA say like. He's fine was what's the difference between the buck. Saying that that you honest is their best player and he is a big position and Yokich is their best player and he's in a big position like I don't not that I don't see the difference of saying that you'd have to put your honesty in that category. I wouldn't I would not like I said I know you honest. The power forward Jaanus is much more of a take your guy off the dribble get to the rim type thing make player like he is dominant in the paint. Probably more so than anyone in the league including Yoga. Yoga Coca has a much better step out game. I think but I think you don't see Yokich consistently bringing the ball up core. Running offense like using picks like Yokich is typically in the same way that remember her. Remember back in the day. Like how the bowls it was. I think it was like a derrick rose Arab over and when Derrick rose got hurt they ran their offense through like yo through Joke Oh Kim Noah right right in the paint. That's more of the way that I see them using Yokich and tell me if I'm wrong. Maybe I am wrong but I don't think that Yokich and Janas play remotely similar ways. I look at Janas is way more thing that I do big but you'll get better three point shooter is yes. He's more of a stretch five. Yes five and yours is better than the pain. Yes using any sort of post data center and Yokich is a traditional center. Yes yes you know center. I'm not saying he's a traditional center. Scott you're you're taking you're taking words out of my mouth. He is just not the. I'm I think they are not even remotely similar players. I know they the way that they do their playmaking. I know like Yokich is going to rack up a ton of assist. He didn't rack up the assists the same way that Jaanus rex up. That says he's not now he's not looking to go downhill and get to the basket and kick it out like Janas is he is back to the basket. He's back to the basket making plays kicking it out to shooters when he gets double teams. And he's W GONNA shoot and you could also stretch out. They're just not even remotely similar and I don't think anyone would ever question or put Jaanus as he. He's not a traditional personal power forward or a traditional center in a big way to 'em beat and Yokich are so that's what that's all I'm saying those are the and for me Yokich and embiid or the two guys two centers or bigs right now in the league they are that are doing traditional center type. Things are still on winning championship style. Teams I just. Don't put you honest in that category so so when you okay you'd thank you thank you. That got incredibly wrong. Incredibly wrong like because I I don't know I don't put guys in positions anymore. I stopped doing that last year. There's there's your Lebron is a big. Is Lebron big Bro. I look at his point. I don't look at him. I don't look at you. Honest Point Guard. Janas has a big you you play through. What are you looking at Draymond Green? What do you call him? He is a playmaking four. I guess he you know he's he's more likely he's more like me. He's more like yolks than honest. Though he's much more like Yokich than Jaanus Janas and Rameau honestly compare Yossi Lebron. Yeah I do yeah I don't do the whole thing. You brought the argument positions. I I don't I don't ever do that argument. I don't do position argument. I think they're playmakers their shooters. There are slashers that are traditional bigs and I would never put Yo oh kitchen. Conversation of a traditional big put embiid in the conversation at Yokich is not A. There's no big ever in the history of the game we'd seen bakes guilty. Not just telling you what is Yokich. Do that can't do because both of them are. Both of them can handle the ball. Both of them can stretch. I ten beat as much more of a defensive player. Dr Yokich is one of the yoga by passer in the League in the League. Not a big man not on his team in the NBA. He's a top five passer. I I wouldn't disagree with you but I just feel like embiid and there's there's many more similarities between beat Yokich do than embiid and then then Yokich and honest. You know we're just GONNA wear. We have a master's degree in your. I guess I don't know well. That's rick coming up in about ten minutes because I I I don't I just don't look I look at Yokich as a big. He's a big. I don't look at Janas being I. I know you I know. He's listed as power forward. He's more of a playmaking offer. Dribble guy so what's what we'll do that about ten minutes with With Rick Beaker. Because we gotta break tire apparently because this is one of the most major disagreements. I think we've had on the show and the entire couple of months. We've been doing this. I don't what you're standing on this. I don't know where you stand. I don't look at positions. I look at playmakers shooters slashers. Shire's but that's that's where everyone at. NBC Ambient Yogurts your centers they are they are centers. I know that you don't WanNa look at positions and I understand the position list basketball air but they are centers. That's what they are and got. My point is that those are the only teams that have that are contending teams that have centers as their best player. That's it that's all I'm your your world would've center is I just rebounder Tambi. Playmaker probably need to stretch out a little bit now for example Porzingas a center. He's playing center right he slasher shooter slasher not a center. Okay he so he. You'd put him in. What more the honest mold? No Josh Donaldson is a slasher playmaker center. Yokich playmaker. That's that's what what he is to meet. There's no there's no not a slasher. He got a little bit of back to the basket but mostly ended up in a fadeaway but he playmaking big double team him. He'll shoot by typically what he wants to do is make place he's like Yokich. Draymond green very similar Yokich an hour very similar. That's who I would compare like debus. FBI me those playmaking aches by making bakes. Okay that's the point. The point guard wants to get downhill. James Harden to me screen and Jaanus does the is bringing the ball up and wants to get downhill as well. And it's kicking it out to shooters he he's you know he's a he's he's a good passer as well he's not as good a pass. Yokich is but that's that is my. That's my overall point here. Yeah that's why John. This is like a center. He's like a draymond green playmaking but differences he gets downhill like those other guys. Don't drive the scores. Much Janas plays he goes into dribble. Handoff see moves the ball side to side. He gets to into the euro's dead kicks it out to a guy for three so he the playmaking slasher but like he rebounds ball. You talked about being a rebounder. He defense big eggs at the rim. He's blocking shots. Big Yeah I would consider him more defensively like a big than what we see from Brown. The Brown you know like kind of play. Centerfield mucks up people's defense. He's not he challenge shots at the rim. But you wouldn't call Lebron rim-protector McCoy honestly rim protector recall Yokich a rim protector jobs in in pick and roll a lot guarding to dive takes a shoddy challenges comes down rebounds now offensively different type of player. He's going to get to rebound he's GonNa do. One of those water polo outlet passes or he's going to bring the ball up and go to dribble handoff. Get another guy involved. That's kind of Jaanus is going to do the same thing. Defensively challenge shot turnaround rebound. He's look to push the ball. Look to make a play. Hit One of the shooters Sir get downhill with a euro step. So why the whole position thing i. I hear what you're saying because you only look at offense. That's the reason why you look at them as similar Miller. But you're not looking at the defensive side of the ball went defensively. I think they're very similar. They both Gartner and pick and roll and turn around and rebound matters to me. tremont green another one in pick and roll. He could guard or you could switch out again. SHOCK GOES UP COMES DOWN GOES UP rebounds looks to start a fast break. You don't play making four. You're anyway that Jaanus has in his. What one two three four five six seven year career on basketball reference in you know they they'll put a position next to each each season which is basically like how? How many times have you played that position? So if you played shooting guard for the majority of the time you're listed as a shooting guard that season he has four different positions for different years so he's been listed as a point guard shooting guard small forward and power forward all of you but I would. I wonder how many guys in the League can can really boast that. I mean I think Lebron probably well Rodriguez Rodri- never gonNA shooting guard. I though I guess maybe early on in his career but you know having you know. He's he's visa power for for the last three years but he's been listed as a small forward he's played point guard. He's played late shooting guard earlier on in his career. He to me like we're dragging on us in here because he is maybe the most one of the most versatile players in the entire league so he does a lot of the things that Yogesh does but he the house or the wing player mentality. Sometimes you're right probably more on the offensive and then I think a guy like Yokich has ever had and probably ever will really ever have so i. That's that's what maybe it's just because we're maybe it's because the versatile but I'm getting sort of loss in this argument but like I say we'll ask this to rick her coming up in a little bit. Let's do this. Let's take a quick break here. Scou- will bring in and bucur will ask him about that. We want to ask them about Leonard's return to Toronto tonight how we think that will go down and whether or not that. That single move by Messiahs area guy. We've talked about a lot in the last couple of days. You Know How much of that championship and Kawhi help. 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This time I guess between Scallon an argument I didn't even really know he would get into Scott. What is your own even know either? I don't even know I'm just saying that. I believe the of that and I don't want to do this until you out. I'm just saying that I believe that you know embiid. Yokich are really in the nuggets and the sixers are really the only two contending teams. They'd have a traditional big as their best player. And that sort of like A. I don't know that's sort of like a dying breed in today's NBA. Most guys go team go with our led by wing player so I know that Yokich is super skilled but still consider him. He still a big to me so traditional big so we'll get to that a little bit with our MBA enlightener. Rick come up in a couple of minutes We've got a bunch of other stuff to get you and by the way you you see. These Zach Levine comments gal about wanting to be a number one. He's not a number one. He wants to be a number one. He's not a number two and he's not a number three test for he said yes so he told Darnell mayberry of the athletic he said this is the quote. I don't work my ass off to be up to be a number two or number three guy. I WANNA be a superstar. I want to be the top of the League type of dude and that's what I that's what I see myself as I don't sacrifice my entire summer and grind my life away just to be a regular guy in the NBA. All right. Wow how you know you know my history. You know my thoughts on Zakopane. I've made it very clear I I do. Not Think he is a number one I do like however the I think you have to have sort out of the arrogance and the competence. If you're going to be a superstar you have to. You have to be the man you have to want to be the man and I think that's so it's a big step for Wien. My question isn't though about the attitude cute. It's about as overall game whether or not sort of trust him so it is. I think he's number one guy and do you like him coming out and saying that I wanna ask you what what do you think. What do you think it takes to be a number one? I think you have to have that mentality. First and foremost if he's got part of it but I think I think you have to make people better. I think you have Aftab significantly. Make your teammates around better. I I don't think in six years we've seen that with Zakopane and I think he's I think physically he's amazing. He's one of the athletically. He's one of the best athletes in the entire league. He kind of reminds me a little bit of like a a better. A better shooting poor man's Westbrook and that I see a lot of really great things in his game. I see a lot of things that he can. And do. I see the potential. I see the athleticism but then I also see all the other negative stuff that I don't know that that In six years for him specifically that you see that hasn't been able to be coach out of his game. We we saw earlier this year with Jim. Boylan trying to say and the team the Bulls team trying to say. Hey we want you take more threes. We want you to be more efficient. We're trying to help you become a better player. And he sort of really pushed back on that And so so that's what I would say. I didn't to be number one player. First and foremost you have to make your teammates significantly better and I don't know that he does that in either. Stop whether it was a T.. Wolves or with the Bulls. Now I couldn't agree more. So it's a he. He doesn't have it where you know he. He's got just gain going and he's forcing coaches to double team him to trap him and he's like picking apart or he's making that hockey assists before it gets to the corner he's quick quick Pocket Pass to get the ball all out. That big is now hitting the corner and that would be making that play happen and you know the guy in the corner ends up getting wide open three because of it. He's not consistent enough in making people around him better. It's more than just driving to the basket and dumping off late and you look at completely crazy. Level Citizen James Harden is pretty a good at it when you double team him at finding open players. I think he could be better. I think he he leads a little bit selfishly. But he's such a good score that he can get away with it. Did you look at like the Bronx. Probably the best in the league. Maybe maybe the best we've ever seen at drawing to in in dissecting defenses so so if you have a long way to go before that and you know like how you look at a guy like Kimba Walker you look at him as like one or did you look at him and cy never be at one on a championship team. I think he's a perfect situation. I think with Boston where he's got a lot of other really good players around him and I think I don't know if Boston has any guy that is a one but they've got a lot of twos. If that makes sense to me and I think I don't think they can win a championship with Kurt Russell. That that they have but I I. I wouldn't put it out of the Roma possibility that if they improve this thing that could be that guy That's that's A. That's a real unique circumstance. Though I think by the way we have what okay we have here on the line and we want to bring in here are NBA enlightener first and foremost rick. What's going on? Thanks for hopping on today. We were talking about. Zach Levine. And you start that we arce without me like what's what's up trying to you know. Let's say I feel is if I don't know but I feel as Ziff. This might be a contentious show. This might be a contentious appearance by yours truck. I don't know it's just Kinda Vajpai live by get based on some of the early early back and forth the topic choices etc.. Well you're you're Zach serving guy you put in the note that you think he can be one. I said. Tell me if I'm wrong. I said he's kind of like a better shooting. Poor man's Westbrook in the way that I described it was I. I see all all these things that he can be in all these skills that he has and the athleticism and I'm like wow. This is unbelievable but then you know late in games. He's not making the right decision. I think he puts his head down and dribbles too much. I think he's kind of inefficient. And so I've said I've been for months now. Maybe even years I I just I don't see him as as a one. You do. Tell me why I'm wrong. Tell me why we're both both wrong number one. I feel as if he's he is far from a finished product but as I watch his evolution Dan. First of all Minnesota's a mixed bag and this is the difficulty with with young players. As you gotta be in the right situation. You've got to be surrounded by the right guys and you gotta be putting the right role. He has embraced the challenge of being a better defensive player of Of of looking to attack the RIM as opposed to settling for mid range jumpers. I just see his growth with Chicago and his fearlessness. In wanting to take not only the responsibility but to take that shot does the decision making have to improve without without question without question and he's twenty four years old he can. There's there's no question he can shoot it from range. There's no question that he can not only beat the first guy but beat the second guy. If if you're a half step slow and I just I believe that he's his desire have to play the right way is there and so does he ultimately get their determined by the coaching. Did he gets the players that he's around them. But if I look at the requisite things that you need the handle the ability to attack the ability ability to shoot from range and fearlessness in taking all that on with the game on the line he has those ingredients so I I'm not saying definitively he's going to get there but I've seen a huge step from where he was last year and at twenty four years old. I'm still waiting to say you know what. Give me another year or two before. I say he can't be this because I've seen signs that maybe he could be. What was it deal with the number one thing now the way the game is I spoke with the ball movement and it doesn't even matter anymore well and that's for me? That's why can he do. All things isn't going to be a playmaker playmaker like Lebron or probably not. I don't know that he's that kind of a passer. But the ability to the thing is is that he can draw so much attention because he is so quick and athletic and can't shoot it. I mean that recipe. He's a he is. I have way more confidence. that he that that he's not gonNA falloff in his shooting. His his three point shooting this year is is his adult career at a career high and he's shooting seven and a half a game like everything that I see about his shooting. He's going to continue. Continue to shoot. He can shoot it. A forty percent clip Russ's has never has never had that so that's one distinction but the other part is yes like. Can he do all those things not necessarily does he have to do all those things. No but can can be a closer or can he a be the guy if you have a playmaker that you can look to and and get him that shot. I believe that he can be but it it is. It is going to take more than one piece. And that's really where we are in the game today. It's everybody's still hung up on the big three three or the the the two. It's like no if you look at the really good teams. The Toronto Raptors prove this last year for certain and I would make the case is that the warriors pre Kevin Durant made the same case. which is we need to have multiples that we can go you too? We need to have depth and versatility and two or three guys that are willing to knock that shot down with the game on the line. Which is why I like the clippers? You know not only defensively. Can they lock in. But Paul George Lou Williams squad Leonard. I'm good with any one of those guys getting the ball with the game on the line. I don't disagree with either of you guys and saying like you can't just I don't think you know the days. Are you one superstar and he just carries you to you. Know however you want to go like that's not we don't live even that world anymore. We probably have never lived in that world in the NBA. Really but I you bring up the rappers last year like they clearly had Kawhi Leonard as their best player like everybody else fell in line. And even you bring up those warriors teams like Steph. Curry was the Guy Right. I mean I know we love Klay Thompson League I know. Scale your dream on guy and those guys but but they they complimented imperfectly and picks and pick step up when he needed it and they're you know numerous different championship teams throughout the last several years. That have you. I need that guy. You need the One guy. You still need that. One guy to go to the clippers this year Rick I mean I would still stay quiet. Still that guy over Paul George Yeah. It's great that Paul George can pick up the slack. Lack of quiet isn't it isn't having a great night or can just take things over the top completely. You still do need that one guy right but but it can't just be that that one guy and this goes with Zach Levine thing like he has to be all these things for all people look Klay Thompson has had huge meaningful meaningful. Not just picking Steph up. Like he's had a game that saved series on more than one occasion. Fred vanfleet hit some huge shots kyle. Lowry came through like so. That's what I mean in terms of with Zach like and this is this is a small thing and it's more anecdotal. Maybe but like when he got called out by boiling and was is benched for the three defensive mistakes early in the game and he comes out and he gives you fifty in the next game like that to me is a guy says. Oh you don't think I can be that kind of a player and didn't do it in a rebellious way. Where you lose? He does it in a way where you win that to me speaks a lot about where the guys mentality is. I think his heart and his head are in the right place. And you could be Zach Levine. And you could go get numbers and it would just be about. I just want to be seen as a great player I think. The distinction with Zack Zack. Is Zack wants to be a great winning player and that proved the way he handled the whole. Jim Boylan being called out to me. Me was demonstration that his head is harder in the right place and look whether he can make good on all of that on a not guaranteeing anything on that I just. I think it's way too early to dismiss his ability to become that kind of a player. And I think there's evidence to say to to believe it to to say there's reason to believe there's reason to be Zach Levine guy. Because of the way he's handled some difficult situations I use oncle or something like what is our they get the floor back but by the way he he had fifty they were down by six with like fifteen seconds to go and if the miraculous win to be Charlotte so yeah that is in the right place. Why the hell they eight seventeen? If he's that guy that's much uncle bucur the lightner. What's the deal after Eh seems not that bad? Yeah the team's not that no they're not they're not that bad. They're not that bad. And they've had a couple of like heart. If had a couple of heartbreaking heartbreaking losses without question I mean I think it is at least at least four that have been like last second and again. Here's the the other part like there is a learning curve to figure out how to be that closer how to be that guy to make those decisions what you go to and look. Jim Boylans learning on the job too so I just. This is an between wanting to play a lot faster improve their defense figure out how Laurie lowry marketing works into that like I. It's not just Zack. I've kind of I still. I still feel as if like. I don't know what the Bulls are going to be this year. But I I believe in their roster. Everybody was Kinda they can be sneaky good this year because of the roster. I still believe that Anzac is part of that. Window Carter Juniors showing that he can play Kobe white up and down like a rookie but like I think he's an NBA player and figuring out the point guard rotation with Christiane Christiane inside Iran's ski and and White. I think there's some things to be figured out. I'm just I just think it's way too early again when I see guy who's called out like that I've seen way too many guys who are talented. Who get embarrassed like that? Who would go? Who would just just be off the reservation? They're gonNA screw you like you're not doing that to me. That came out and played harder the next game and you can say hey they were down to Charlotte or whatever they ended up winning the freaking game. I mean now now we're kind of we're kind of going back and forth. We're not gonNA give we're going to say hey look at the record. And we're not going to pay attention to what records composed of and they were going to say you one and he came back and he got it was one takes. It was a miraculous win. You're acting like it was A. He got mad he had fifty and he got him to win. Well given the GAL I dunno fifty voting that Emmy beat Atlanta last night when Atlanta like trae wins to win nine percent of all those games. You gotta factor that stuff but anyway. Here's my thing. Here's my thing if a guy gets fifty and he loses I give you credit like you got your fifty. It wasn't a winning fifty. I'm not impressed. You get fifty and you win. I don't care how. Oh you got it on board. You gotta be careful though. Scout isn't like that so you can't throw the unimpressed. Word out there scallops man about you would have only had forty seven if you didn't hit that miraculous shot. You know what I'm talking. You know what I'm talking about. Hey let's do first off. This is going to be a contentious show. It is co Mascow man when you. Who are you with mom? How you related is that what circumstance I would have it? I like. I've seen a lot of them for one reason or another like I don't know if I told you guys. But like I went to see Bulls warriors here the night before Thanksgiving you know why I went more than anything. Because I knew that there wasn't going to be traffic. It was going to be easy to get in out and nobody was going to get. We're going to be at the game so I could have conversations Galore with people it was like it was just really convenient and I want to say I. I've seen them a couple I saw. I was up in Portland. I saw them up in Portland that same that same weekend I was up. There took my son up there and I was working on a piece that had to do with the some blazers and the Bulls. That was their next stop so I was around them for a couple of games and I just think I think they're better than their record. And I think that the more I learn about Zach Levine lavine like I just thought he was a highlight guy. You know I thought he was thought he was a dunker thought. He was a showboat. And what I'm seeing and and hearing is that he's more than that. So yeah if I'm if I'm driving that bus I'm good with that I've I've I've I've I've I've put my foot my stamp. I jumped on board with guys far far. Worse Than Zach Levine. So I'll live with it and I just I don't understand why you have to come out and state that as well that's why then that's the plate and show everybody that you're a number one and number ones win games and number one makes others around them better and everyone. Then you don't have to have a discussion okay. If you don't do. I describe the narrative I mean we should do numbers at twenty three twenty four. I look at his age is a factor for me too and the places that he's been in the role that he's had. This is the first time he's really been given the keys to the car. So okay I know how my kids. It's drove the first time. Put Him behind the wheel like get some some good things. Some good instincts the things we gotta learn how to do. So so I'm going to give Zach that that latitude. Well you're right about this being a contentious show we have to. I'll I need you to break tie a little bit later about this This embiid Yokich Jaanus discussion that we somehow stumbled into in the first half an hour scout. I but I want to do this. I because speaking of teams that may or may not be better than the record. Let's do the Hawks thing that we did at the start of the show as well. They lose in pretty terrible fashion last night aperture and of course the game is over up six with a minute left. He gets taken out right after that put. Back Gannet was kind of a weird coach and assistant by Lower Pierce. But what what what this hawks thing. I wasn't high on them coming into the year. Rick I know there was some other people scowl included And I just thought they were too young. I think they're proving that right now and there was some sort of blow up last week after the loss of the nets where the the the organization said. Hey Trust US trae. We're going to get you some more help. It's not just going to be on you. What do you make of the Hawks Star last night? Trae young what did you sort of made it their start to the season. Well I look I put them in the same camp of the teams that have been and the that have really really bad records and And not only have bad records but this is the distinction. This is why I think the Hawks folks have been a disappointment one because they gave us a little glimmer when they came out of the gate I think they won their first three games or they were the came out of the gate. Fairly strong long is that they're not. They're not competitive. The hawks have too many games where they're not competitive. The PELICANS have too many games where they're not competitive. The Knicks have too many games where they're not competitive and I believe that when you looked at those teams you. They weren't expecting a necessarily a great win loss record but you were expecting them to be competitive and they all have the same issue they live and die by how they're playing offensively and their defensive after effort is reflected by how they're playing wing offensively and we just expected that for the players they had the attitude that they had that they were going to be better than that. And that's where I. That's where I put the hawks. The hawks all their issues are are man. Maybe not all all their issues. The majority of their issues are at the defensive end of the floor and then they do which is what is creating you know a difficult watch for for a lot of games get behind get behind by double digits. WE'RE GONNA get back in it by shooting. The three threes aren't fall in long rebounds now the the twelve point deficit is twenty four point deficit. And you're chasing the Dragon. I just see I. I see that happening with these teams in particular particular and with the Hawks and and I expected more. I just expected I expected more from The guys that they have and and and I'm not seeing it and I think maybe the other element that you're seeing is if you add into that is that is that locker room. Leadership Element is. Where is that coming from? I don't know that Trae for all that. He is a talent when you're not giving it to me at the defensive end when you're a defensive liability it's really hard for calling out guys for that resonate because they're looking at they're going. Hey we you might be scoring but we gotta cover your ass at the other. Iran like ease up with you know this is not acceptable. SCALL- sleep you're is going on. You know what I feel about the Atlanta Hawks. I just feel like that John Collins is busy twenty five games. Kevin heard just played twelve taking time and I agree with Rick's defensively. There are atrocious and so many times they act like they don't care but I'll go through the list. The Nicks the cavs CAV's Atlanta Washington. They all those four teams. It's an embarrassment to be a professional team. They don't care about the defensive end they give probably more effort the lifetime sky in New York in the summertime then they give an NBA game. So do I expect you. I when I factor in my choices who I think is going to be good. I assumed at Atlanta who had great culture last year and played hard every night. They played hard every night and trae young by the way even though he's small all and not giving giving it to you on the defensive in he played hard defensively he gave all he had defensively. He's not doing that anymore. He's focused on his twenty twenty eight and ten and he did not get the glory for being a big time score in playmaker. Give me the ball and shoot thirty five footers and all that stuff but he. He doesn't even try anymore so you I expect any team. That doesn't try in a League now. Really hard to play defense. You can't touch you got to move your feet if you don't care forget it man like I can't watch it I can't I if I'm paying my I'm I'm leaving at halftime because I'm I'm pissed that I paid my money and I'm watching that don't care and by the way we ratings being down thirty percent in the NBA. You gotta believe. These fans are not stupid. Don't don't think you could score. More points of said fans are going to be happy and you get to watch. This is not true. Fans know that people don't care about the defensive end of the floor. Yeah well and you don't have competitive games. I mean these these wild like you look up and you know it's a thirty point game. We're we feel as if this year more than than ever. We're seeing a lot of those you look at these obscene numbers up on the board ball like the core early in the third quarter. Yeah they're like up load management game. Just move onto the next one. Just take my own. My own version of load management is. Let me get my eighteen points and let me give effort on the defensive end. Lived to fight another day and I mean if that's what you guys want us to become become go ahead and if teams now you guys let's say you got you guys with the lack of physicality the NBA with the load management the NBA with A. Hey It's a marathon of the season. NBA like the players are the victims when they traded. If you want that then go ahead let me just work on my brand. Whatever that means and get my money would ain't that is the root rate can't tell me value in your heart you'll want we already? We already knew that. You Watch the Lakers. When you watch even Miami when you watch Miami him you know quit in them? When you watch teams that play hard? It is staggering compared to the teams. That don't care when you wash Washington play. I love watching Brad view and I ain't got no beef Ravioli at all. But they don't care they get scored on and there's dot com coaches face player space where they're like upset that he just got scored Iran nor do they care to fix their lack of rotation so it just whatever all right. Let's just go down the other end a big part of that a big part of that is and you know. I know you will agree with this. But I look at the roster composition. And we've won. We've fallen so so in love with analytics that were measuring every guy by what he provides as far as this number of rebounds or this this the three point percentage or whatever it might be and the intangibles of having veterans in the locker room who are going to challenge young guys and who are going to. We're not going to be satisfied with just doing what you said like going. You know what let's just let's cash in our chips. Let's let's let's save it for another another day. I mean that's why even with the warriors and how they're playing the you know Klay Thompson being around Steph curry being around Draymond Green. Maybe not playing thing every game. But there's an intrinsic expectation of if you play here you play for this team you're going to play hard. And yet the warriors have what not the worst record in the league. Certainly one of the one of the two worst records in the league but they play hard every night so you know. There's there's a little bit of de Ngelo Russell kind of leak in but for the most part. There's an expectation and I just think especially when you get off to a slow start like the like the hawks like the Knicks. Like the Pelicans and then you don't in have any veteran presence to say. Hey I'm not look. We're not losing nine games in a row like I'm not I'm not cool with this us. And they're gonNA get after somebody and they're gonNA get after them in the locker room and you're leaning instead on a really young coach and again You know outside outside of Al in New Orleans but Lloyd Pearson Atlanta maybe throws Chicago in there with Jim. Jim Boylan a New York with fizz. Like where do you go. You got a young coach and you have no veteran presence. What are you what are you gonNA lean on? Where do you where do you go? And and so it's it's a recipe and you know I just feel like GM's and owners want to be the smartest cat you know you get. The smartest cat is a bunch of young guys. And you find that next guy who's a surprise as opposed to go into that old vet who everybody knows kind of solid set and yeah but I didn't discover anything with that or his numbers might not look right. I just I don't think we've I think we've taken the intangibles out of the game name and it's and it's like it's reason why there's five years ago there were two teams who got thirty percent of there's three point scoring they're scoring from three from three pointers. It was Houston and Golden State. Now this at this point I think there's twenty teams twenty teams. I know there's at least thirteen. I'm trying to remember that was number thirteen thirteen or twenty but almost half the leak. You've gone from two to half the league now are there that many guys and that many teams shoot shoot the three that well that they should be getting it or they just volume shooting from three point range because the numbers say that. That's a play either going to the rim or shooting from three.

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January 6  Hour 1  Nuggets Get A Win, Jokic Asserts Dominance | Is Joker Best in NBA?

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January 6 Hour 1 Nuggets Get A Win, Jokic Asserts Dominance | Is Joker Best in NBA?

"Minutes after the twelve o'clock or good afternoon northern colorado. This is the whole show powered by pvc energy. I'm alive from the auto collision specialist studios. Well we've had another day or so to kind of digest. The john elway situation the general manager hunt. And you're listening to joe ellis. Yesterday was interesting. Why would this be an appealing job for general manager and knowing that the ownership is up in the air so that that's going to be something we'll get to today because there's no there's no guarantee one way or the other that if a new owner when the new owner comes in that they keep or fire. The new general manager just like. We're talking about a general manager. Wanting to come in with their own vision of the team is the owner going to come in wanting their own vision. So we'll we'll get to that a little bit later on. How last night nuggets needed this one. It was against minnesota again. They have now beaten. The minnesota timberwolves ten times in a row. They beat them twice just in the last three days on sunday night. And of course tuesday night man. Our power to play sports. Poll question doesn't seem so ridiculous. I would've asked this question last year. Wouldn't you said come on really know is nicola yokich the best player in the right now. He's he the best now. You look at a lot now. No he's not leading the league in points. He's not leading the league rebounds. He is leading the league in assists but he has top five. What are the most important stats in basketball points. Rebounds assists percentages and and all that those are those are plus minus. When you're on the floor all that's important too but when you think of the most important stats when we talk about triple doubles most of the time right. You're not getting. you'll see a lot of ten steel games. You're talking about points. Rebounds and assists nicole. Yokich leads all areas. He's excuse me he's top five in all three of those categories top well. I shouldn't say he's top. Five point score right now. he's still averaging. What twenty five points per game. So he's still down in the top ten but in rebounds he's top five assists. He's number one. He's averaging twelve assists per game and again. this is as a centre. i find it offensive. Now when people say that he's the best center in the league. of course he is. He's he's the best player in the league. So if i'm voting. I'm going to the whole show dot com right now and i'm voting. Yes he absolutely is so you guys go vote. That is our power play. Sports poll question of the day. Is nicole a yokich. The best player. Now we're what seven games in. I get that it's very very early in the nuggets. Have to be better. They have to find a way to get better as a team. But right now if you're saying this early in the season is he the best. I have seventy five percent of the saying no twenty five percent of the saying yes so go vote on that. We'll see where we are at this point now. The question is if you don't say he isn't. The best than who is is james harden the best player in the nba because he's averaging thirty three thirty three points per game boy. He's not he's not top five and rebounds not top five in on the rebound side of it. he is top three and assists. So james harden is up there. I always up. There never really perform the playoffs. And that's always the knock. And i think that's why you look at his stats and you think they're amazing. You just you just know though that when it comes to crunch time. He's usually especially when it comes to the playoffs. Not great steph. Curry's averaging thirty two points per game but he's not in the top five and the other categories as far as rebounds and assists go bradley beal averaging thirty points per game. I mean you have to look at all of the stats though. You can't just look at you know rebounds assists offensive leaders. How does this person make the rest of the team. How does how does nicola yokich and again. This is tough right now because you've only won three games three and four but joker does make everybody on the floor better and again. It's not like anybody's running away. Just yet the lakers are six into the sons with chris. Paul now in booker on i. They're putting they're going to be a good team. They're five and two. But really if you're worried about the start. And i understand that but the clippers are five and three and their third in the west. Utah's four and three. The pelicans are for three so just trying to say. Don't freak out yet. We're only what two months three months away from. When they played last teams are just trying to get acclimated again. They're just trying to figure it out. So before you freak out about three and four and it's not ideal i will. I expected much better. It is a letdown. Not trying to sugarcoat it but the rest of the league is going through similar growing pains as well. I mean the sixers are the best team in the league. They are six and one in the like. I said if you wanna get if you wanna freak out about four losses. Well they only have two more losses than the lakers two more losses than the sons. One more loss than the clippers. So this is why. I always say you gotta evaluate every ten games every ten games you look at where you are and say all right or 'cause it by twenty that's when it's unacceptable to be under five hundred for denver. That's what i mean. By the time you get close fifteen twenty use start freaking out a little bit. Might malone's kind of happy with with the team. The way they're playing after beating the timberwolves one hundred and twenty three to one sixteen mike malone said. Hey i i like some of the quarters. Some of the other quarters were met that the word of the day. I thought the first quarter was also really good. I think if you combine the first quarter in the fourth quarter they shop. Thirty four percent from the field. They scored forty four combined points. The second quarter was a disaster and the third quarter. was matt. Whatever you wanna call it. It's just we saw some of this in the bubble welcoming swamy says yawn. This is the best player right now. Well okay look at his numbers right now though. Yes he's average. I think he's averaging about what twenty six twenty five points per game twenty twenty six points per game. He's only two more points Jokers averaging twenty four points game but again. How much do you wanna put on points for. The joker. he averaged twenty five points per game up fine with that. Because he's averaging twelve assists in twelve boards per game. So i'm good with that. I mean there's a lot of different stats. You can look at here. But he's number one in assists that to me is a huge number huge number averaging as a center averaging twelve assists per game. now when you look at jaanus. He's averaging eleven boards per game. Okay so you. Honest is averaging twenty six points per game. He's averaging about eleven boards per game but again the joker is averaging triple double. That's not a seven games seven games. It's hard to do that even in seven games man. That is a difficult task yet. Here you are seven games in it. Looks like it's kind of easy for him at this stage. And the fact is both the nuggets. And milwaukee are underachieving the bucks or foreign three so it is tough discussion when you're talking about who the best player is and what the joker has to do. But you gotta think he's making some there. Let's go to the text line first. advantage text. Line is if you wanna get out of you. Gotta text k of k try to. Why is this number hard for me to memorize faxes. just having a hard time with it tended ten digits. We lost the six digit thing. The company we work with. And i think a lot of companies nationwide are are going away from the six digits. Nine seven four seven eight thirteen o one east side chris. Joker is the jokers. The best rounded out my up lineup. Last night. I'm going to ride the wave. Well and here's the other thing too. Joker has to do all this stuff. Guess how many points jamal murray had last night. Can you take wild shot in the dark colfax knowing knowing that he had like what thirty six on sunday. Okay take a guess knowing jamal. Murray now jamal murray. I'm gonna go fourteen thirteen. Well he's either thirteen or he's thirty five. He's mr thirteen and thirty five. That's that's jamal. Murray and he doesn't like that he gets on twitter and says he gets in the post game and says well what's wrong with me today after he has the thirty six point game. No ask that question after you've had thirteen point game. Don't come at the media when you've had thirty six and go okay. What's the problem with me now. I can't shoot well yet. Thirteen points tonight. He started off hot. He is inconsistent in the games and every game at this stage. He was great in the first quarter. Then he fizzles. Lieutenant spangles says i think the thing that really shows joker is if he doesn't play amazing. It's very obvious the rest of the team really relies on him. So i could get behind the best player right now. Okay when you say. Mvp most valuable player that that carries different meaning to to everybody right most valuable player can sometimes be just the most valuable player to your team or it can be the big the best stats you know. Most of the time you see guys that are scoring thirty thirties win the mvp award so it is a tough. It's kind of like the heisman which get to that in a moment the heisman used to be about character and in. Yeah you gotta be good. But how do you represent your team. And how do you represent college football. Now it's pretty much just a stack game colfax before we break. Let me get to the big story of the day presented by f f banking made simple. Trevor lawrence didn't win the heisman but At the end of the day does he really care. Trevor lawrence is going to the nfl. He has decided to enter the nfl draft and we thought it was going to be with the jets. Well now the jags have that spot. They're so mad. We really were hoping gardner minshew would make it went right. That guy's just entertaining with the mustache and everything but no. I think it's time so. He tweeted out or instagram tweet. Whatever social media my time here has been amazing and albeit clemson tiger forever lawrence said in a video released of course. Trevor lawrence is one of the closest things to assure thing really. Since andrew andrew lock he led clemson to the national championship a freshman in two thousand eighteen. He won in his first. Twenty five starts for the tigers before falling dallas last year and then he lost state so i mean yeah kind of a weird ending for him but he's he's something else. I'm excited to see him in the league. So that's that's good for the nfl before we break. Do wanna thank auto taylor today. We know everything revolves around technology. So having skilled technicians paired up with cutting edge vehicle diagnostics is key. I take my vehicle there. My wife's vehicle their love. The folks at auto taylor seventeen minutes after the hour. Our power to play sports poll question of the day. Go to the whole show dot com and vote is nicole. Yokich the best player in the nba. If not then who is is it. Yawn us i mean. Are you still sticking with. Lebron even know whatever i mean the stats are not not screaming at us right now. Are you still sticking with that side of it. Is it james harden. Let's talk about that on the other side. Seventeen after the hour. It's the whole show powered by energy. We're live from the auto collision specialist studios this is northern colorado voice. Thirteen ten kfi when it starts moving ready high school basketball and northern colorado's voice. Thirteen ten kfi k. Here mornings with gail weekdays. Six to nine in northern colorado's voice thirteen ten kfi k. This is edward or nfl reporter for espn and in one thousand. Nine hundred eighty two graduate of the university of northern colorado. Hope you'll continue to listen to the award winning hall. Show thirteen ten k. All right so joker joker have two technical fouls last night. Did they wave one of them or was it a different type of technical. 'cause i thought you got tossed with two technical fouls so you're right. I thought he was going to get tossed. I thought so too. Man i don't know am i. What are the rules. Am i missing. Something i mean. I'm glad he didn't. This is what i really liked about that game. Though joker kind of lost his composure then he hanging hangs on the rim liquidate whatever And he he somehow took that anger you know rather than just taking stupid fouls for the rest of the night and ultimately getting in foul trouble and just benching it up. He comes out and he puts the team on his shoulder. He had to do it now. I'm a little confused Mike singer got a lot of respect for you right in the denver post. But you know you're doing the right up on the story and you say that it was an uncharacteristically. Quiet night for jamal murray. Not if you watch the nuggets every night every other night is an uncharacteristically. Quiet knife for jamal murray. So no i totally expect it. I was talking to a guy today. That has a watched the nuggets game yet and he said let me guess jokers carrying the team. Jamal murray is inconsistent said. Well i mean. Yeah i hate to give it to you like that. But that's that's the truth. It's the joker right now. Averaging a triple double colfax my friend listen to these numbers and tell me. He's not the best player in the league. Twenty four points per game twelve assists per game twelve rebounds per game about a steel and a half per game his field. Goal percentage sixty one. This is not a shack field. Goal percentage folks. This is not just joker dunkin it this by the way. He's done a lot more this year. I love that. This is the joker shooting all over the place. Forty seven percent from the three point line and eighty two percent from the free throw line. Phenomenal i mean. It's just a lot of times. You see the big guys. They always have the better field. Goal percentage right because they're closer to the basket. All of their shots are closer to the basket. They're easier to make so. It's i get jaanus past that he passes that test. Maybe a little bit better than than the joker does. But you know he's got something got something over these guys that i just i. It's a rare talent. And he keeps he keeps climbing these charts he keeps climbing in these stats and who names. He keeps getting compared to you. Keep bringing up. Names like wilt chamber last night a big stat fires with oscar robertson one of the nba lejeune's through through the first six games in a season since nineteen sixty three and sixty four. And again we're just taking stats. I don't know who the guy is. Oscar robinson in the night in nineteen sixty. Three season had one hundred thirty one points. Seventy rebound sixty four assists joker six games so this was before last night. Hundred thirty. Four points sixty rebounds seventy seven assists. I mean when you start saying names and stats next to joker and it's not just like a coincidence. You know it's not just a random night. Oh joker went off and had sixty that compares to so and so no. It's like you're consistently saying well. No the players done this since will chamberlain. No the players done this since oscar robertson. That's when you know folks so nuggets fans. I've had this debate already. I said it last year and you damn well better believe. I believe it more so this year. The joker is the best player in nuggets history. Already there's no question about it. If he were to retire tomorrow. God help if he does that then he would still go down as the best player if carmelo would have won a title then then then maybe so if if english would have title than than maybe. We have an argument. But unlike dick's and i do believe that titles are the most important thing. They're not the end. All be all i get it with certain players and you still. It's still doesn't take away their greatness but they're they're pretty damn important. So if alex english and carmelo 'cause we talk about those three years right nuggets have now been to the western conference finals three times with three of their best players in history. Which is kinda cool. Alex english carmelo anthony nicola yokich and so that's where i go and there's a lot of the danis people out there. Those laws combos. Throw some chauncey. Billips out there. But i always say to me i feel like it's alex english carmelo. Anthony call yokich holyoke. He's better than those two seven games. The seven games. But he's averaging a triple double in those seven games folks okay. Thank you dixon. The hanging on the rim tech is different. I thought that was. That's kind of what. I was thinking that it's a different tack but leave it to professional sports rules to always confuse me. It was a learning moment for the joker. Another learning moment. you're never not learning. I suppose but he took that anger that he was having in that game and channel. And you know the the timber. Wolves went on a fifteen run in the third period and the nuggets. He he basically was him to stop the bleeding thirty five points last night. Fifteen rebounds six assists wilburton showed up which is great. But this is the problem right. Now if you're if you're waking up and you're a little worried about this team again i do stay strapped. I'm feeling strong about the fact that some other teams are going through their growing pains to but this is what's scary to me right now when you have i i like the mentality of oh any given night it could be. We'll barton you know. It could be paul millsap on this night. Or maybe it's mammary that is great and i like that to get to the playoffs but to win the playoffs. It's gotta be both guys. So this is why i like the fact that partner at twenty points. But you're not gonna rely on that michael green starting to play. So that's that's take it a little pressure off. Maybe not miss. Jeremy grant as much. It's seventeen points. But i wanna see more from jamal murray. He's got to be better thirteen points. One for four from three point land from the three point. Line three for seven. Got to be better than that. I i mean. I don't know what else to say. That's a superstar. The nba treats him like a superstar. Was it all just the bubble magic and handled the press really well and he did the shoes stuff and you know he cried. After one of the games was so exhausted and mentally exhausted about the state of things in the country Okay okay but we're not in the bubble anymore. It's not it's not this magical disney kingdom that you're anymore you're in the real world of the nba. I got to see it all the time you know. I gave crap to joker last year when he's only getting twenty points. Well now he's averaging twenty dollars averaging triple double. You have to hold jamal. Murray to a higher standard another guy. That's really fun to watch. How fox composite. Oh man. I get a little bit a little bit better. Hit eleven points last night. He's running around. He could play defense. Mike malone love and what he's seeing from fox. Excuse me opportunity. I think you know with michael porter out. That's one less primitive player So he's got an opportunity to blake extended minutes and he's taking advantage. You know. I played on a time in that fourth quarter. I thought his on ball defense against the angela. Russell was overall really good. He runs your team competes. I love his defense. His his on ball defense is really good. He's in what i love about him. And you probably watch this when you're watching the game last night. When he's cutting and moving he does something that no other player on the nuggets. Do which you think. After playing with the joker for several years they know every time he cuts where his. They're not looking in front of him not looking at the rim. They're not looking at the defender joker he's looking back. A joker european player man. I mean these guys. They pass all the time they move the ball around when you least expect it and a lot of times if you're not looking at ball's gonna hit you in your head. My coach used to say it. If they're not looking in they're open you hit him in the head but he he's looking in. His eyes are constantly on the joker. I wish more players coming onto the nuggets roster would watch how composite plays with the joker with that i contact constantly looking around for nicole. Yokich that what is it paul. Millsap said everybody's getting free cheeseburgers. That's what they call it so the call yokich is handing out free cheeseburgers. You better make sure you're looking around. He's the best player in the nba. Go i wanna see. I'm i'm actually kind of shocked. I thought we'd get some more nuggets love on this But seventy six percent of the whole again say no. He's not the best player in the nba through seven games. I would say you're wrong. I would say he absolutely is through seven games. And i thought last night was a big step for him all right. We're moving up the ladder a little bit. Twenty eight percent. Say yes thirty minutes after the hour. Let's switch gears. Let's talk some colorado buffaloes coming up. They have a huge test tomorrow. They're outside of the top twenty five if they can pull off the upset against oregon. You better believe they're moving up. We'll talk to mark the voice of the colored buffalo's first. let's get the latest on the local sports flash. It's a party northern colorado's force thirteen. Kfi k a block party wednesdays from four ten pm on this. Just it out of the cbs four down in denver colorado. And you're listening to the whole show. Thirteen ten s k. Just thirty five minutes after the hour. Welcome back to the show where we're trying to catch up with marceca as always either calling games. Or he's doing something in the wilderness man like he is. He's that guy. I'm telling you he. He's the guy that's out. He's hunting pheasants. he's surviving off the land. He's like bear. Grylls man i think marxist survival show so i don't know if we'll be able to reach him today but the buffs have a big test tomorrow so they're coming off the loss to ucla the other night and it's been kind of since they started conference play which we expected the last three games. They're one and two and their last three games they lost to arizona. Eight hundred seventy four. They did turn around. They beat usc than they lose to ucla. Ucla's right now. They're one of the best teams in the conference. There sitting seven two but three zero in the conference so since the buffs started conference play one and two. So that's is where again oregon's going to be the test but after that you have to start putting together some of these conference win because you know they're quite a ways down down the list there as far as the standings go But the other night against ucla. Mckinley right had twelve. You know these are the games. Where right doesn't need to score twenty twenty five points. He doesn't have to do that because this team is balanced and they kind of feed off of each other that way But these are the situations where you need your superstar projected. Nba first rounder to to step up and have some big games so he was one for four from three point. Land the other night five for ten so just kind of a rough shooting night overall for for right so we'll see if they can get it right but they if they can be oregon they probably move back into the top twenty five so that's going to be a huge task oregon's eight and one though i mean. This is a sensational basketball team. They have i mean both teams have Really great players and senior leadership on both sides of it. You know with with what the buffs have mckinley right. Evan baddie dolls walton. I mean they have a good staff. Then you look over at oregon though an eugene maurya is averaging about nineteen points per game. Chris dr eric williams junior. I mean they're just they're seniors alone account for like eighty percent of their scoring. So that's going to be an absolutely huge huge game. I events text line. Get at us at nine. Seven four seven eight thirteen o one if you're new to the show text. Kfi am to nine seven. Four seven eight thirteen o. One go to the first event is line brady. I know i can say about a few other guys in the league. Always talk about the nuggets but this team screwed if joker gets hurt. The offense is a dumpster fire when he isn't on the floor. Sadly i agree with you if joker gets hurt. Covert comes into play and misses. A few games. Like puerto is right now. what what. What do you do Because you look at this roster and who's carrying this team. Can jamal murray i. I know i sound frustrated but it is frustrating. Jamal is just not rising to that. We all raise the level. Our expectations for jamal. Murray after the bubble even though in most of those playoff series he had several games like this twelve points. Oh twenty eight. Thirteen points up thirty seven. He's the greatest player in the world. And then when he's quiet we just don't talk about it. This is why. I'm reading this post from the denver post mike singer. I know you are a denver nuggets. I know you're in on the zoom calls all the time saying that it was an uncharacteristically. Quiet night for jamal. That's not see this is what's wrong with it. I think the reporting isn't being fair when he struggles he is still like this and i stand by it if he can whatever part of his because he because he proved he proves that he has the ability. How many players in the nba. Do you see do this. I can't really think of any where one night a guy can have. thirty six. The next ninety gonna have thirteen then the next night. He's his thirty there. Are there many guys like that in the league. Because most of you're either in or you're out you're either a superstar or you're not and jamal murray is like He's like a two-faced right. Now one half yeah. He's a superstar. The other half was kind of just an average basketball player staying doctor. Dr jekyll and hyde. That's what i was going for. Couldn't think of it but a guy colfax. We figured it out i. I don't know what what's the last year was the. how do you get nicole. Yokich motivated how do you get them not to know that he's the best player will barton said in the post game on nicole yokich. He said i don't know man at this point. What more can i say about him. I tell him before every game to go out there and win. Mvp he could be the best player in the world if he wanted to. It's all up to him. I feel like you just can't be stopped. He's one of those players in the league who can't be stopped his shooting touch his post moves ability to put the ball on the floor. And then pass. There's nothing you can really do to stop him when he's aggressive. It's over so that was the that was the headache. Last year is like how does malone get that into nikola's head. Maybe he did. I don't know that the bubble him did the the thirst for winning change. Joker because now you got that taste for you. Got the western conference finals. You're a perennial playoff team. Now when you made the playoffs in a row is the joker finally getting that taste for it. Go you know what it is going to cause right now. It is going to take triple doubles from the joker to win games. That's the bottom line. I think he's the best player. He's the reason this team's not owen. Seven right now and that's that's a scary thought. Now i do think jamaica michael green. I don't i listen. He's not gonna be better. Germany and jan migrants playing outstanding basketball. Right now just absolutely nuts. But you're michael didn't play the first two games. And then he's starting to work himself back into the mix getting in game shape so i do think that that position. That's gonna come in handy. That's gonna start to help out a little bit. Michael porter jr. yes textra here. Pj coming back. We'll be a nice addition moving forward but offense runs through joker in some way ever possession when he is out they look lost yet. That's why the bench is so important. This is why. I kind of talked about starting barton. And then you have that offense with mp jay on the bench with morris because they do look lost but again it's a liability with puerto right now not playing defense so you of do want him out there with the starting five the starting four. Maybe he won't do as much damage can get that so porter. Probably if i were a gambling man offensively. I'm going to say porter's probably going to be Get to the point where he's averaging more than jamal. Murray points wise. Then that could be a few points more but again defensively he. He looks lost. And i thought there'd be a little bit more of an improved. Their first event is text line. Nine seven four seven eight thirteen one mclean. Nba assist leader. Top twenty and scoring top five and rebounds. My fellow hogan's does joker need to do to get the credit he deserves. I mean your your top five in two major categories and the only reason you don't have twenty four points per game is because you're too busy passing and trying to get your guys involved. How many miss shots. By the way. that's a stat probably is. How many missed wide open looks to the nuggets. Have when joker set them up beautifully. Composites setting people up and can we please kovacs write this letter. Write this down. Can we please beg garissa. Stop going up with one hand. He did it again last night. That was the almost cost the other night. Damn near didcot. Who was that against. Was that against the sun's going up with just one hand. They call them foul. They ended up reviewing saying it wasn't foul. He's going up for the one handed. Jam just go to at least get at least get the ball close to the rim. I don't i'm not. I'm not a fan of that. The years have not been kind to gary harris. Have you talk about a guy. That defensively was one of the best in the league three years ago and he was still eighteen. Points a game so he was like he wasn't an upper echelon player but a really solid piece. He has just not been there. Now it's been two years now and you just haven't seen him at that level. You're right mclean. I mean if he's not number one then who is. Y'all just doesn't have the numbers right now and again. Joker has the numbers in every category. And the only reason he doesn't have twenty twenty eight points per game to put them in the top five is because he's too busy. Look into busy passing again. Michael green talking about about joker what it's like to play with him know he said that guy is just different. He is the way he gets everybody involved. He's absolutely great to watch. I mean he's a great teammate. But even said it. He's like at times probably too unselfish and i think we're seeing less of that to be honest. Because i i. He's definitely taking more looks. He's taken more three pointers driving to the basket. Definitely seeing him. Dr the basketball when he's aggressive love seeing that it's a different style joker we're seeing this year. It really is a couple of texts. East side chris to to Joker is great but he's in denver for just great for betting not nba superstar status is the nba. Starting to to change that though. Are they starting to look at it. Because i'm from central moments ago. And i mean they're they're they're constantly jot down his his stats the constantly. Talking about the will county swamy. Being the best player in the league is different than having the best. Start in the league. If you're talking just these seven games. Then yes that. That's that's what i'm talking. Yes just seven. Is he the best player. We can't base it off of the future. You know this is back to the future. I mean you can only base it on the seven games. Is he the best player in the nba. Right now through what. You've seen sure he could come out tomorrow against dallas and have ten points five rebounds and two assists and then he could come out the next thing. I have a bad game and then suddenly that this thought would fade a little bit but through seven games. there's no one better as far as the stats llc. Swamy says the other scary thing is that he's playing at an mvp caliber and they're three and four. This is why it's terrifying. Because if he rolls an ankle if he gets that real technical apparently hanging on the rim different type of technical different branches of these covert rules. Yeah i i do. I struggle with what this team looks like. That's gonna keep. Mike malone up at night until jamal murray can be more consistent as far as scoring and i'm not asking much thirteen points. Turn that into eighteen cool. That's five more points. I'm happy with that. But i can't have you but i'm not happy with that. I'm content with. I can't have you being mr thirty six points and rippin the media to shreds saying up. What's what's my issue now. No can't have that you got to your bad games. Have to be what you're good games. Were last year. He averaged the average twenty. Last year was a close to twenty. You're good games now or your your bad games. I should say have to be what you're good games. Where last year you know i need. If joker has twenty points like last night he had night are the night before the first game against minnesota head like nineteen. And you're thinking oh it's going not really because of everything else. He does now. Ten points is low scoring for him. But for the most part you know when you really get frustrated with joker. It's when he's not shooting and he's like at nine points or something like that. But i mean until jamal murray is that guy and then michael porter when he gets back to play. Defense has play defense. Those are the things and there's a lot of other issues too when you look at the depth on this team. They used to be the deepest team in the nba a year ago. That's why we thought they would go to the western conference finals because of their depth the too good stars and they adapt. Well they have one good star right now and their depth is extremely shaky we composite can keep doing what he's doing But i i was really worried. They were going to lose this game. That third period was awful. They gave up. How about the second. How about the second period colefax. They gave up forty three points. You're gonna lose most games if you do that. They did bounce back. They only allow twenty in the fourth. I mean they were playing great defense than those on the book in their first and fourth but in between that was terrible If you can get points life you can get production from from green composite. Oh like you did last night great. But monte morris was a no show. Pj dosier i. I like watching him. I think he's got the look of a of a solid player. You know three points so again. The bench isn't great. You know you need another guy that's gonna come in and get you closer to eight and again. Is that going to be michael porter. That can be barton. How are we working that out. Bart might have earned the starting job while this covert thing exists if puertas missing games like that If barton does it again tomorrow night then does he start for the moment and you say hey we just want to get some offense coming off. The bench wouldn't really be a demotion to puerto. it'd be elevating him to the bench. Gotta use that all week colfax. That's the word of the week man but no all. Seriousness wouldn't really be a demotion. it would be like we need. We need production off the bench. We desperately need it. And if we can't get consistent games from composite and morris right now than yeah. We're hoping green turns into a fifteen point guy fourteen point guy but we need more off the bench. The bench is scary. Jamal murray and is now it's now liability folks. It was cute last year. You know it was. He got through it somehow but if joker roles an ankle gets in foul trouble nuggets are in trouble all right ten minutes till top of the hour. We'll take a short break doing. Seal mortgage my friends over seo mortgage find them. My special mortgage dot com. Their family and veteran owned and as you've heard interest rates are at all time lows. So now's the time to get rid of any consumer debt that you have car loans credit cards student loans. That interest is not tax deductible and your house payment is that's my special mortgage dot com ten minutes till top of the hour. Take a quick break. It's all show powered by energy now. I said bodey hume for the unc. Bears would be the big sky conference in. Vp when it's all said and done let's look at that stat the status there as well as their standings in the conference. They've got a big one to my. They gotta stretch of games. They should absolutely win. So they can move up in those standings. We'll be right back. It's a party. Northern colorado is voice. Thirteen ten kfi k tub block party wednesdays from four to ten pm no cone now. Weekdays at four northern colorado's voice off thirteen ten. Kfi k. hi. This is jesse kurtz executive producer and lead anchor the mountain west network and you're listening to the whole show on thirteen ten. Kfi unc news We saw this morning. Unc's going to allow a limited number of spectators proved for bank of colorado arena. So that will be big from ryan pfeiffer over at unc university of northern colorado. Athletics has been approved to have a limited number of spectators at events starting tomorrow when they take on who the montana state right. So that's a big deal right. Fifty spectators maximum right now allowed inside. Bank of colorado arena will consist of family members of the student athletes and coaches of that contest they will continue to monitor and follow. All local and ncwa guidelines in regards to covid nineteen collaborate with campus local and state officials to determine if further increases in event attendance are permitted with the safety of student athletes. So there you go and that's a start. That's not great. You know whatever it's going to be family but it is a start in that might lead us to the direction we wanna be. Currently the bears are sitting at Fifth place in the big sky conference two in and conference play southern utah. Kind of watch out for this team. They are two zero right now. Seven and one to start the season. I've not not too shabby there. But the bears have some winnable games coming up. They're going up against montana state tomorrow night. That's right here on k of care. Then they played them again on saturday. They play idaho. They're on the road. They take on idaho next week. Two games there so you look at the standings you know montana state hasn't played a conference game yet They're three and three overall. And then idaho hasn't won a game yet so i would be pretty disappointed if the bears don't at least three and one here in this stretch. So they're sitting at five and four so this would be a huge stretch before they have to take on a tough team like eastern washington. Now bodey hume. I said he's going to be the big sky conference. Mvp well he is top five in the conference in three. Major categories points rebounds. How about blocks. He's averaging a block a- game as big deal in college. 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26 - Round 2 Blazers v Denver

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26 - Round 2 Blazers v Denver

"All right, everybody. Thanks for joining me again for another episode of the lumpy show this week. We're going to continue the blazer post-game reactions. I didn't get to do one for game. One had some other prior priorities that need to take care of. And there was just no time to get it done. So I'm gonna hit on that just a little bit today. And then just jump into. What was the not the most exciting game too? But I guess close thrilling game too. So thanks for listening and stay tuned. All right. So quick recap of game on between Denver and Portland. You know as a fun game to watch exciting scoring the not. I mean there was defense played. But it didn't seem like it at times both team shot over fifty percents. Almost a right around the forty percent for the three point line. The the key to the game was Yokich. The blazers did not have an answer for Yokich and game on. Was like thirty seven and nine in six assists. And they play that pick and roll game with the Murray and between the two of them add sixty points out of the one hundred twenty one points scored that night with Millsap coming in for a little bit more and the blazers just couldn't. The game plan for for for game on was not to attack the pick and roll and double Yokich whenever he got the ball. The did that much better than game to which we'll get into here. More in just a second. But they just cancer was point. So far off a Yokich on that the pick and roll that either Murray would split it drive down the lane one foot runner or Yokich was doing that. With what runner, you know, the only took five three pointers. Had twelve free throws because he kept getting all the calls, but he easy shots essentially drive down the lane or picking it passing it to one of the guys for shooting the three year pick and roll. So they they played good game. And they didn't miss a shot and the blazers didn't really get anything catcher. Correct myself cancer had twenty six points. He played really well from an offensive point Dame had one of the quieter thirty nine point games you'll ever see the just couldn't get over the hump of of scoring after the third quarter. It was always a close game. But you just didn't get that feel for the boys is we're gonna come back and take it from the nuggets much like the reverse of tonight's game. For game two. The blazers. The gotta get you know, a little bit more out of some people. Rodney hood had a really good game in game one dropped in seventeen points. But it's like it was four people scoring and a lot of times, I guess that can work the blazers don't get anything other than the litter and McCollum for the most part not every game. But a lot of the games and that workload blazers aren't gonna win a series. If they can't get some some play from the other guys off the bench. They weren't playing bad, but they just weren't giving enough in that game. And then Denver just miss forty one percent from three point and fifty fifty percent from from the field. And it was just one of those games. Lot of it was changed game too. So that's not much much more to say about game on other than the the blazers just needed a little bit more defense. There was not much defense. Played by anyone. And especially from the blazers where they Yokich and Murray can just do whatever was needed. So we'll skip ahead to game to here. All right. So in game two the blazers pulled it off ninety seven to ninety and they got contributions from everyone off the bench played a much better defensive game. Except for rebounding. I think they neutralized Yokich. I'll bet for a couple of minutes in the fourth quarter from an offensive standpoint they were going they were attacking him as soon as the ball went on the grounds and sending a double and playing different players than cancer on Yokich. A lot of the time not all the time that 'cause it real job on the defensive end. I thought as far as trying to slow him down a bit. Cancer do bad. He's just not a good defensive player for the most part maple just a little bit here and there, but he is he's an office of player. So you get what you get on the defense, especially with nurture out. But they they neutralize that Murray. Pick and roll with Yokich that they could not stop for nothing in game two or game on. I'm sorry. So that was cool seeing you can see it right away. Blazers were up by seventeen at one point. I think either it was in the second quarter late or early in the third quarter, and it kind of hung out for the most part around that fifteen to ten point land for minute. They're down to six but other than completely destroying Portland from an offensive rebound point of view. Just as I stated earlier in the podcast game. One blazers were always hanging there. But he didn't feel like they're going to come back and win in this case. You didn't feel Denver was gonna come back around because they can shoot for nothing. They were thirty four point seven percent that made Oklahoma City, look good. Look like, they tried to fashion the game after Westbrook will just the brick show that was going on twenty percent from three. But the reason they stayed in the game is twenty Twenty-three offensive rebounds, two seven against the blazers and he would say with twenty three rebounds. Probably weren't a ton of rebounds for the buzzer to be had. But they still outreach about them forty defensive rebounds to thirty five that tells you how many how bad Denver was on the offensive end tonight. And from the free throw line. Denver was awful sixty one percent. What kept them in the line is the players could not get a defensive rebound. Like, I said they had forty but they can get the offense of rebound or defensive rebound story in the fourth quarter. End of the third into the fourth every bounce off the rim. Ended up in Denver player hand there were just attacking rebounds. A because once again, they knew they were missing everything, but Portland was just not imposition to get the rebounds. It wasn't that they weren't trying to get to just weren't as fast to react and go grab that ball. But you know, the held on for seven point, and and I'm thankful for that. It was on a night where Dame just couldn't get going. They put they switched a little bit. That is which up Cray got her broke his nose. It was cut a bit because he'd been kind of the guy put on Dame, which is funny because he tortured for thirty nine. He was hampering them a little bit today and Dame kinda get going. He finished with fourteen points five or seventeen miserable from the three point line. Just get going. You know, he's a lot of you know, potential fouls that weren't being called on Dame strives some of them he was just trying to get to call the wraps a little bit. But you have to do especially if you're star player, but he just see he was out of rhythm to that on the shooting. And you know, that's the first time this playoff series this platform. I think he's been that bad from the from the line. He played so solid game. Saw defense everything else leading the team. Of course, even. Jay was the leading score only at twenty with the the low scoring game. He. He was all right. You know, nothing spectacular. Get some big points from amino Collins Rodney had played another good game. He's he's looking like the player the blazers needed when they traded form in this series. A lot more than what was coming out of the o'casey series. Even J J Lehman got in and played a few minutes with heartless wrenching his ankle. Pre rough looking spill Yod Avent heard anything new about game game three on Friday, but Lehman command because I instead of playing someone else or switching it up start usually likes to keep the rotation going for the second team. And so he put Lehman in their first action the plops in one of the blowouts. He was. It was a minus five for the six minutes. He was there. He was up in Murray's face and point tough divas on them. So I actually thought that was pretty good of so for my money. It was a good all around game by the blazers. Nothing spectacular solid. Very good defense can get a rebound on the defensive end and that third into the fourth quarter for nothing. And that's what kept kept Denver close. And some some question, you know, not the best shooting tonight for both teams was really bad. But not the best. We'll see what comes up and game. Three. See how Denver counters the way Portland played defense on their picking role game. Like, you said earlier, I was really impressed with how they attack that changing it up and throwing something different. Look like Jim Murray has got a wicked Charlie horsey. You know, he he kept going hung in there. But you could. See in that fourth quarter. He could not move. So I'm curious to see how that goes for the next next game. Yokich joke each I liked that players gave. But he's now that we're in the playoffs and you see play back to back games. He's he's kind of getting on my nerves. He should've fouled out refs. Let them get out of it not on purpose. I think that just missed it. But it was it was a clear foul on the Collins. I believe when it came across his arms that guy's pretty funny. He. Looks out of shape. He looks like he goes to the the Felton Rafe Elton. School of conditioning for basketball, but he gets you can see all winded as out of shape as far as most NBA players, but he can barely jump over a piece of paper. But he's he can pass. He's his badge ical on the passing. You reminds me a lot of for big guy the way he passes lot like our visa bonus. Especially when the bonus was before he came to the NBA in his Europe days. He could just see the court and make those passes that in those days, like Magic Johnson was the only one was making those days shows, you how old I but. Could just read the court make those passes to the guys in and Yokich do that. And you can see why they didn't need Nurkic anymore and with that trade department and Portland's better off for for that trae too. But yoke edge Yokich had just a so-so gave I mean damn near triple double Bill, only sixteen fourteen seven and gotten foul trouble. And because of the boys defense can get get rolling like the kid, and they don't get a lot. I mean, they're Bence plays. Good. But they don't get a lot from them. Offensively. Beasley Morris Plumlee in Barton. Are the only ones I play. They just don't get a ton. I mean, I don't know why they don't play as as Thomas. That's an interesting one. I don't know if he just can't play with the hip. I almost forget it was on the team and the box score. Do think that that guy kid come off and light up some offense a little bit thing. Post up all day down the defensive end. But you would think. He could come in and give you some offense for little bit. But they don't get a ton of from anyone else from what I've seen this. I e games. Besides paul. You know, the starters, Paul Millsap, and Yokich and marine and Harris, it's been a fun. Little it's been a fun star to serious lot less. Contentious except for the end of the game. Who in Yokich actually, shoved cancer and stumbled and then ran into Craig broken his nose early in the game. And then some of his teammates studied Kanter did something palm purpose for something. And so they came to Kane kinda came to his defense. There are some John a couple of tech and close. Nothing crazy today was not evidence of it. But these guys are gonna be playing more of a free flowing ofensive type series. And I think it's gonna go six I think the boys IRS, hopefully, come back and take the next two at home. He's been playing really well there and then go back, you know, finish it out here in game six in Portland. Get to the Western Conference final for. I think for the first time since two thousand I think that's a legit reality. So we'll see how it goes a long ways long ways to play some players definitely got to step up for both teams blazers need that third score besides cancer, in my opinion. They need Rodney hood to keep playing the way is and and play that defense. And it'll be exciting. I think they'll take it. So I appreciate you guys listening to him as always we keep growing this thing. So share if you like it share it, and it won't always be blazer Centric. So thanks for listening piece.

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All 3 Game 1s: UTA/DEN, LAC/DAL, PHI/BOS

Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

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All 3 Game 1s: UTA/DEN, LAC/DAL, PHI/BOS

"Let's talk about some NBA playoff basketball all three playoff games from today we'll be talking about and let's begin with the series that my podcast partner John Holler hauled. Dunkin called the least interesting series, non nets and Magic Division. It was not the least interesting series today. Was Beautifully flawed but featured some unbelievable exhibitions offensively, I couldn't have enjoyed it more. It was it was fascinating to watch this from our perspective because I vacillated between just delighted all of the shot making stuff that was going on and just incredulity at what was facilitating some of that and I thought I think that the whole the whole thing all fits together and so the incredible performance of Donovan. Mitchell in this game fifty, seven points nineteen, thirty three from the field thirteen thirteen from the line also six, hundred, fifteen from threes is. Pretty Damn good for him and I he was he was awesome and take nothing away from him. But a part of the reason he was also except about eight seconds. Yeah we'll get. We'll get there but a part of why he was so awesome was Denver running maybe the worst pick and roll defence I can remember seeing on this kind of stage well, and I don't know that it was necessarily scheme based as just more personnel face and these we had talked in the preview about how what they're gonNA do they do this? All the time is because Nicole Yokich is weakness as a picking roll defender they bring him up to the level try to make the ball handler, get off the ball, and then you try to scramble around behind the play and you've got Paul. MILLSAP. As backline defender for that but they said, no, you know like we don't believe that these Utah pick and roll ball handlers are that great we're GonNa make them beat us and get downhill against Yokich and play conservative try to force them to not just get a bunch of open. Threes because we're putting on the ball, we're not going to bail them out. We're going to make them beat us well off Donovan Mitchell, beat them in this game. He finished a Rod Nicole Yokich. Every possible way in the lane it was the worst defense of game. I've ever seen Nicole Yokich play bar none you just had no effect. I think he he may be forced won miss at the rim on I wouldn't the jazz shoot at the Rim it must've just been something completely preposterous right eighteen of twenty nine, but they also the. Counting twenty three free throws which actually for an overtime game isn't is it totally crazy but? Not. Bad. As I thought I take that back but it certainly looked like whenever Donovan Mitchell got into lane or any particularly him. But any jazz ball handler they were going to be able to finish pretty well I I. Guess Part of it too is that there are further eight of fourteen from Florida range as well, and some of those are pretty close but. As we'll get to some of it was that they were playing too weird lineups themselves. But whenever they actually had shooting on the floor, it really started to sing but yeah, I, let's talk to bore. But about Mitchell's was the third highest scoring game in NBA history behind only Michael Jordan sixty three which he did in double overtime and Elgin Baylor Sixty one and props to Elgin Baylor for being the only one of those three to have his team win the game not Mitchell other than that. One thing did did a lot to to cost US team I mean I thought that he he? Yeah I guess five turnovers but I thought that Mitchell did an unbelievable job getting downhill and taking advantage and yes a portion of that was yokich being ineffective as a protector and there were but Mitchell did a great job of taking what was being offered to him and also if they reacted strongly Mitchell he was fighting teammates and they were getting good looks and that's Part of why the jazz were. You know they got up forty-seven threes in this game, which is truly incredible. It wasn't overtime game. Some of that was also stirred corks environment away at the beginning of the second quarter. But I thought that Mitchell was ostensibly I thought that he was just fabulous and he was eight of ten at the Rim as we look at it. and. Then six of gallon on above the break threes and not only was it Yokich that they were attacking. They put Michael Porter in Sonos either switching onto him or Michael Porter. Even guard Joe ingles not to mention Donovan Mitchell that they had just take Michael Porter out. I? Thought that was actually an adjustment by Mike Bologne which really changed the game going to Monte. Morris and PJ dosier of all people in the back court and I didn't think that those guys are going to be that much like Mitchell went at Morris a couple of times to in scored on him. But I don't know whether is Utah believing that those guys could shoot Troy Craig fouled out as well, and they also took millsap off the floor sues Murray Morris. Dosier Jeremy Grant and Nicola Yokich down the Edwin. Denver actually made a big comeback and then took care of things in overtime. UTAH? Just was atrocious offensively in the overtime Yeah. I mean I I really you Donovan Mitchell is a very saw player and when he hasn't had to play against the Houston Rockets he's had some really nice playoff performances and Denver other than. Troy Craig really doesn't have anyone at all who can pretend to match up with him and he really had it working in ISO and pick and roll it. Also, I think just being the unequivocal point guard when he was out there as well is he's always put up really nice stats when that's been the case less as an off wall guy, the overall offense maybe. Hasn't been as good in those circumstances, but he's always put up a amazing stats. See it was certainly virtuoso performance for him but I mean we have to hit on the second pilot now though we do I, mean. So what I think what happened on the play was that if you remember it was the actually inbounded the ball us kind of a second time because. There was that there was basically a couple of seconds had run off the clock and they had to inbounded the inbounded again and Donovan Mitchell just lost track of time and remember we we actually let's get into the context of how this happened. Utah has the ball and is ahead by four points, and so basically it's then it's functionally about two minutes to go you. Both teams are scoring pretty well at that point Mitchell had Mitchell had gotten a three that he'd he'd setup Gobert for a dunk in that last minute plus range, and so you could still lose the game, but it takes it takes some pretty severe stuff and then they were going to be able to run the clock down to about a minute twenty and they would have had a chance to score. Yeah, and going up going, let's say it's six with a minute and a half to go creates a whole bunch of other problems for the nuggets because then they have to, you have to start forcing more threes I mean you're probably a solid. Eighty percent favorite in the game with a four point lead and the ball like amid forty right and then and then not due to any great pressure or anything from the Denver Nuggets they turn it over and then mere seconds. Later, it was just like lightning strikes, joe-marie drills a three, and then all of a sudden but was a four point lead with the ball turns into a one point and I think Mitchell. Number one he was just kind of directing traffic like play wanted to run from the. Back Court and number two, he just had an overall mindset of our orders going to waste time on this possession. Think he just had it in his head that he had eight seconds together across in fact was six and then number three I think he was pretty darn exhausted. He really really pushed himself to incredible heights in this game although he eventually ran out of gas early in the overtime and I think it's time to switch to Jamal Murray here after the backcourt violation, he personally outscored Utah Eighteen sixteen. and. So he did that in about six minutes, eighteen points at about six minutes, and then in the first half the at a personal twelve or run to take it from tied at forty three to fifty, five, forty, three in like three minutes. So he basically scored thirty points in like less than ten minutes. It was insane the shooting exhibition that he put on particularly from three and that. Yokich Murray pick and roll and deregulation beginning of overtime. That is what ended up winning the game for the nuggets. Even though I thought the jazz were defending it about as well as you can to onto, they probably should have started bring some help earlier than they did finally at the end Clarkson decided to come off what are the other guys and help then merged hit it over him. Anyway. Yeah. Yeah I mean Murray Murray was the degree of difficulty on some of those totally crazy and and what are the differences between Mitchell and Murray's nights was that Donovan got a portion of his points at the free throw line and getting to the basket and Mitchell did that a little bit but mostly it was just mid range in three point dominance overall he was nine of fourteen on. Jump shots in the game, and those were not all just like clean catch and shoot you know those types of situations. These were some of them were tough on a good contest just shot making I don't recall him actually hitting a single catch and shoot because they don't have anyone else on this team in their starting lineup who can dribble by the way? It's a little bit of a problem. other than Nicole Yokich frankly, and so Murray really I I WANNA say that if not all of his threes that he made six of them were off the dribble, a ton of more in a little bit might have been like had a two man action on the move with Yokich. But it wasn't like a it was just setting them up for these spot ups like he's creating. Audio also, at dinosaur to go with his thirty six points and game best out not game best actually Jon Morgan was a game best plus second best in the game plus sixteen. Well, let's let's get to drawn mortgage recently because you briefly because you've talked about the idea of you know like that that there aren't that many dribblers in the starting lineup for the for the nuggets and that's Absolutely right and I thought one of the stranger dynamics in the early portion of this game was the way that Jon Morgan and Paul millsap being the game screwed up both teams offenses because in John Wiggins case it was him being on the four and not really wanting to shoot let millsap they the nuggets did what teams have done a lot more frequently. I think of the warriors grisly series. As as being the, but it existed before that of putting your smartest help defender on the other teams, weakest offensive player because they're capable of doing that instead of putting your worst defender on that player put somebody smart because then they can mess up everything else. But then on the other end millsap, he was a little bit too thirsty and that was helping short short-circuit some of Denver's offense early. If I thought, he was thirsty more just that they weren't really guarding him and we'll. But when did they weren't guarding in the ball? I good to do something here. I'M GONNA drive into a post op. He's not. I mean in the playoffs last year he had some pretty good moment. He hasn't posted up at all this year as they've had some more threats and move into a different strategy offensively. But yeah but he is still a good help defender like nobody could get anything going there just weren't guarding mortgage mortgage did hit a three late but I just the Ed Yeah you could say he was plus seventeen I'm sorry he wasn't actually doing anything out there. If you're watching the game in the third quarter, he had they appoint went with I guess Neang Yang at the three and him. At the four to match up with some of the super. Big from the nuggets I think that's one of those like just because you can you you do it. I guess at one corner three and he had like a couple of nights offense of regons the in the third quarter. But other than that, he didn't do anything to deserve the spot and I just don't understand the theory behind it like what does he bring the game that we saw a lot of him actually is that Spurs game and you know I mean you could maybe hit a corner three. Okay but he's Getting guarded out there on all the other possessions you don't want him hanging out around the basket where you know maybe he's got like a little bit post Greenville missed a couple of layups and defensively I mean, it is the house he any better than Yang, at least Neang, you know it's been has some experience why not just certain Yang at that point and get more shooting on the floor because the stand what other things Morgan brings I guess it's like Oh we wanna keep Neang in his role on the second unit, but you know kneeing played twenty minutes in this game. More minutes yeah. One foul. That I don't think that has any sort of like stamina issues or anything like that. Yeah I. I agree and also. Drove Brantley looked better than. Morgan in the Games that we did and like the idea was Vo-, he's physically strong and all that you can go in other directions and anyway like Paul Millsap isn't going to wheel that against us that much and I think Yang would have done totally fine I ninety the. MILLSAP was going to post up and more than can be stronger than I was. It's like if that happens good good. Totally of compared to joe-marie and Nicole Yokich doing shit like. That first quarter Michael Porter went crazy. He didn't distinctly did not after that but. It's well so yeah, we're using extra well so I was going to get into a kind of a big picture, a big picture thing that you that I like to do for game. Once what we'll hear let's. Let's do a quick read here and then we'll get show absolutely the basketball playoffs are starting and there's only one thing that you can do to boost the excitement of that even more. 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So united our prediction podcasts a little bit over twenty four hours ago for actually that one I think was forty eight because we did that no was twenty four because we didn't know about the abilities. and. So we made our predictions and formed based on you know everything that we do, and so I think it's really useful for a game one to think about how do you feel about your prediction and what I think is very interesting from my perspective. So I picked the nuggets insects. Yes Denver won this game I feel worse about that prediction than I did when I made it even though they won the game because I thought Utah significantly outplayed them and some of the ways that Utah. Did that can be corrected but not all of them, and also it reminded me of kind of some of the coaching matchup stuff and that even if the loan did make some adjustments and I, think some of those adjustment helped and having like we also don't know when he's going to get wouldn't each of these teams is going to get their other guys back. But just kind of some of the process generally would a team is played on a neutral site you think that's going to it's. Kind of like when a team is making bad shots early and all that's GonNa. Even out in that's going to go the other way and part of that is also Denver found money from Tory Craig Eleven points and twenty to forty one overall from three like even though a lot of their shots by good shooters that's GonNa Continue Yeah I. Know How many I mean they Torrey Craig was awesome. Yokich was four seven. We talked about how his three point shooting could be such a bellwether for. Them and he's GonNa shoot over fifty percent. Probably, they made eight threes the first eleven minutes of the game particularly when you hit those shots early in the game, it just has an anchoring effect for them guarding you outside afterwards 'em yet they're not gonNA shoot that Walt these. The aren't that greatest shooters. It's not like they're best shooters were going crazy and analyze circumstances. Murray was hitting ridiculous shots. Sure. Mitchell is not gonNA play as well, but I thought what Mitchell was doing more sustainable than. What Murray was doing and really though it was mental mistakes to me for the jazz that killed me others the eight second violation that was a huge on they probably winded if that doesn't happen but the only thing was their transition defense was so offline Zach Lowe talked about that on his pod and watching it in person I was a little bit more into it because he had mentioned it but the amount of complaining to the referees every time not getting back like Joe INGLES IS A. Terrible example of that they don't have anyone with any kind of athleticism. Go Bear is not back and there's just so many player where they're just jogging back and the statistics really reflect that. Yeah. So over on the game, it wasn't necessarily about transition frequency neither of these teams that have been, they're both playing in the half court a lot. But Denver had a one eighty, two ofensive rating in transition in this game. Yeah, and there are so like a some of the ones that they gave. Up like fourth quarter Yokich comes in just like throws it over everyone's head to for a touchdown normal defensive rebound where Jeremy granted contested in shot leaked out and no one got back ingles just kind of jog back a little bit of they're just a bunch of turnovers where they were just complained to the referees and get back Monte. Morris was awesome intrinsic and he really pushed the ball I thought he had an excellent game. He earned that closing spot in this one and there are just A lot of mental mistakes from Utah those was over. It is a shame too because I thought Rudy Gobert was unbelievable in this game. Yeah. I agree especially in in half court defense he I thought he I thought he did a great job affecting things on the four. This be a big part of the reason why the the nuggets only took twenty shots in the restricted area in the game and it wouldn't surprise me if those were shifted toward the minute that bear wasn't on the four. And remember not. It's not only the twenty there it's twenty twenty. I got to here's a stat for you Danny Quin Snyder. As we thought, he would matched up go bears minutes exclusively with Yoga Rhino. How many shots nickel Yokich took in the restricted area in this game like three one. One shot today area seven in the paint overall third three out of six from Florida rain. But all those were very well contested including the shot at the end of regulation that could have tied at a incredibly difficult Hook Shot Kevin Love tweeted. This is correct that against anyone else that's a bucket but go bare forced yoga's to go over and I thought the only thing that Gobert could have done a little bit better was maybe contest Yokich more on some like his face up drives, but enforcement forced them to put it on the floor. But. Yoka truly was not able to get very clean look when he's actually been killing everybody else in the post and you know is really only the forest seven from three even on those plays go bear was leaked. There's nobody else anywhere close to Gobert side who in that Yokich Berry pick and roll at the way that Murray was going could actually like stay in front of Murray and then get back to Yogesh, even get some contests Yoga Shit. Some really difficult shots out of that. Those four, hundred, seven from three was all above the break Gobert. Incredible play that doesn't show up at all but Yokich gets an offensive rebound in the last minute of the Game Gobert had actually contested jump shot that missed. So that's how Yokich gets the rebound. He's about to go up for a three point play an Gobert sprints back into the play. He was reveries guarding the guy who missed a jump shot was like a twenty footer and he gets back in and actually like blocks Yoka shot. I'm not sure where he got the father someone downloaded, but that was going to be A. Three point play if Gobert doesn't get there and ends up, be Yoga cheating a couple of free throws to give them a two point lead and then Mitchell comes on gets fouled immediately But yeah, I thought Gobert was absolutely wonderful. The center matchup I. You know I know Yokich had twenty nine points and but he only had three assists and go. It was definitely a really hard twenty nine points. Yeah. For yokich particularly given how much they like to run stuff through him because there wasn't I don't really have any other weapons. And offensively, I thought he did well to is super important in the pick and roll game with the screening. Now, I think Denver can adjust that by just Jomo dies. So aggressively unscreened that maybe you just run him around it or do something else basically just try to avoid that and there are a couple of different ways that you can handle it. I mean Denver tried everything they could right? Yeah they were well, they did they did accept the big thing that I Would consider if they're running a drop coverage, just don't put Yokich on bear. They don't have anybody else who's a good screener in those in those primary lineups just have whatever whatever the hell else you're going to do like sacrifice sacrifice that and at least force Utah Brunson different. Now, the other problem is if you also have Michael Porter Jr. in the game, then it's like, okay, we're GONNA do with singles like there are other there other ways do I do? This is this. Bigger theory that I've had with Nicole Yokich, which is defensively. He's not a center just don't play him as a center and try to make up make up for to the places. Yeah. They'll me wall anybody who can do anything off the dribble? Is GonNa Cook Him to I? Mean we saw Joe Not Joe Eagles blow bull by him. Yeah. I respectfully disagree with you I don't think that's GonNa work that well, what I'm saying is if you're going to run if you're going to. Run a drop coverage like and answer there don't go. So that's what I'm saying if you're going to run a drop coverage, then anybody can set the screen and then Mitchell is going downhill at Yokich and and you're burned either way. So I I I don't know if that would work I, think if you challenge, you challenge Utah's other players to set a competent screen I. think it would also probably had a bunch of illegal screens and you could get you get offensive fouls on that. It's going GonNa hurt no matter what. But I mean and Yoga has to be on the floor because of how amazing he is offensively one of the thing the defense I thought Utah had some pretty good plans. One of them was using millsaps man at the screener I like, why are you? Why are they doing this but the answer was that if you could get that guy rolling to the rim yoga's just wasn't going to be able to have any kind of an effect as a help defender whatsoever. The other thing they did that I thought was awesome. was they ran a Lot of small small pick and rolls with the other guys setting the screen. I thought they did a good job by the way. Danny I. Again, I respectfully disagree with you there because they did have those guys setting lot of screens but what Mitchell did something we talk about right when on switches just treat the guy switching onto even if he's just small like he's a big, just get downhill at him anyway, like mental by the time the screen get set he's going a million miles an hour, and so whoever's switching onto him just was able to in front of particularly A. Porter or Morris, and then you know he's able to get by that guy. Again, Yokich has no effect at the room. So they just had no answers at all at for Mitchell in pick and roll defence somebody else that's going to be a challenge for Quin Snyder reconcile especially in these games without my and we don't know yet how many that's going to be. My instinct is he's GonNa Miss Games one two and three is Jordan Clarkson. Very valuable to have I mean further for the Non Mitchell minutes I. think that he is he is absolutely essential because you need somebody who who could do things with their hands and even if a Jordan Clarkson. Lead Offenses neck would be particularly efficient. It's still more efficient than a lot of their options, but partially because there just aren't enough is on the jazz bench that Quin Snyder trusts and you kind of know what Jordan Clarkson is for better for worse I, think because he's such an easy point to attack having him out there especially when Mitchell was rolling. So well as the as the initiator I, think that those minutes need to be tamped down. Even if it comes at the expense of more limited players, I'm not saying those two manual moody because Hell. No but even if it's the and or maybe throwing some to me only or something like that corks in. Once, you take the ball out of his hands even though he can be capable catching shoot guy I just it just makes it too easy for the nuggets. Strategically I think that's part of the challenge I mean, I might try and give the angle but more mess. I thought he played while the the one possession where he missed three three hours on the same possession it definitely the only three, three pointers he missed the game, but he only took for yeah. But I thought he had his like slow pump drive game look pretty good Denver doesn't really have like the athletic offensive players that are gonNA put him into difficulties it capable help guy but I think Clarkson it's just they. Need some bodies out there and I thought. Clarkson. Actually did a pretty good job as a screener chirp for Mitchell. So so that that pretty decent I think the other thing too is just that Denver has so few guards who can do anything why not just like put guards out there and hope they can match try to match you because those guys just aren't as good a players in the end this with Morrison Dosier those guys came in they didn't really do that much other than just maybe hold their defenders a little bit more but I think I'd rather have them out there than some of the other guys that Denver has Denver's bench pretty UNIMPRESSIVE plumlee had three. Thousand the first like four minutes that he played picked up two of them on Joe ingles tried to draw charge on ingles that he had no chance at. So he really struggled there thirteen million dollar backup center played a grand total of eleven minutes. He was actually plus three but he did little in the game the technicals by Utah Yeah were killers I mean that's just completely unnecessary i. think it was Joe Ingles and then Snyder trying to defend angles and just another mental mistake by the jazz right and particularly loathsome because I it was Joe ingles not getting back on defense at then I think he is someone picked up technical after that. Then Quin Snyder coupons that. By, also picking up the technical and so would you throw it just the jazz relationship with referees on this one in a game in which both teams got called the exact or pause and the jazz shop more free throws than the nuggets did was just it was bad and it just compounded all all of their issues and so you just they just gave stuff away here in this game that they're going to look back on. So I and a bit ago I said that I felt worse about my pick of of nuggets in six how do you feel about jazz and seven? Well I feel like the process behind picking that was right because Utah's way better them even without Mike Conley. We'll say like if they can get if they can get, we'll Barton and run Gary. Harris back that will make a make a significant difference I don't think it'll solve everything won't even come close but. Having Gary Harris to guard Donovan Mitchell could be very useful ended will give them more options in case like Michael Porter Jr. is just too bad defensively like he was when you ingles was getting into stuff and you just can't play them. Then you have an option who's a capable options capable players. If you want to go smaller if you want to do a couple other things, they wouldn't have too much as they. Did. Yeah Puerto Junior had eight points in the first five minutes or so he walked into a couple of threes at the top of the key in transmission but he finished with thirteen points five at thirteen and was really struggling. They're down the end defensively as we talked to also him trying to get through a screen enjoying the porter yokich defensive combination and pick and roll was just had no chance whatsoever in. This one but yet to get those guys coming back it up. But to answer your original question I, feel good about the process I mean one of the things I thought was yeah. Jazz are missing Bogdanovich and Conley but aid the nuggets are also missing to starters and they're at a position where they have very little depth. So yet I would say Bogdanovich encounter more born the jazz than Harrison Barton but not That much and Harrison Barton not being able to play being ruled out a pretty early on here I don't know what they're says it's going to be going for, but it seems like they could be limited throughout the series out nonni minutes they're going to be able to play either so I if they're going to be out for a long time, I, think that makes me feel better about Utah particularly because I just don't. Depend to Danny so I'll absolutely thing to remember the he's been a solid guy. This year also allows them to match up with Utah Small lineups much more easily and two more that handoff game as well. I'm but I kinda feel worse about the pictures because Denver's up one zero. But in terms of the process of IT, like Utah should've worn this in they're the better team in this game. So I think I might process was right but yet, and in fact some Texas be it must have been at the very moment that Mitchell was committing the. Violence. That jazz bigs looking pretty good there and out then it all went awry. So I'm not saying you can't win this series by any means particularly when they get commonly back but I do think that they are going to rue this blown opportunity a also, I would feel better if we had the usual homecourt format because losing the opportunity to win a road game kind of isn't as big, right? Like Denver's kind of just holding serve you still can get back into it in later games. You still have three home games left in the series compared to three for them but now you have Denver two wins the sex game at there in great difficulty. So I still think you. Talking to win the series, I, think the process by my pick was right and I think that Denver is really going to struggle to stop them Mike Bologne tried literally everything and nothing worked even the slightest defensively the Jon Morgan thing. Hopefully, that will end. It's probably not going to because he plus seventeen even though he didn't do anything to make that happen I think that's all any adjustments that we haven't talked about yet for Game Two I. Think we've already hit on just about everything. You see I mean while taking Morgan out obviously, it'd be one I still think they should try to give Durell Brantley try to defend Paul millsap and he's just a better shooter than Morgan at. Some reason that Snyder doesn't trust him and trust. Morgan and I nearly tweeted this during the announced starting lineups. It's also reminder that they have a lot more information than we do. That doesn't mean that insiders coaching staff is making the correct decision. It is just a reminder that like we we only got to really see those guys play kind of one and a half times and they've had other stuff. Yeah I think for Denver. I'd like to see more of the smalls. Nicole, Yokich make Gobert get through a screen I. Actually Yokich hit one three as the ball handler and pick and roll in transition where I think it was Murray screen for him in Yoga, just pulled up for three but more of the plays, what they run where a small sets, a screen for Yokich. Usually, it's Murray to kind of roll into the lane or have Yoka channel the ball let Murray set the screen because I think bear can guard Yokich pretty well one you'll get, you'll have better games and you know if you look at his lives love and a twenty one and did four turnovers only three. Assists but I I like the jazz strategy of just let's make him exclusively a score. He's putting up thirteen assists or something like that. That's when Denver's offense is really humming ob. Another thing too is omitted to see where the minute totals go in this series. Murray only played forty minutes including overtime. So he was on thirty five in normal time go thirty, seven minutes matched up exclusively with Yokich as we mentioned ingles and Mitchell thirty, eight minutes it baby goal of war, but he has to do so much offense way I'm not sure that he can and we would be your closing group here for Denver. Oh. Murray I think the Morris Thing Murray Morris thing won't work as often. The Utah doesn't really have as many guys to punish that. Craig. If he's available I think that he's fine and then grant millsap. I, think I'd probably more often play one of them rather than to just because you need to keep enough offense on the four. But at the same employee if what you're doing is if what you're doing in crunch time is basically just running Murray and Murray and Yokich pick and rolls especially because those guys are attacking the remiss aggressively. I think that having floor spacing in some weird ways matters a little bit less than you can go more defense. It's sort of it's sort of a bizarro version of the if Murray is just trying to get a metering. Yeah. It's like episodes. It'll consider my considered brings some more help over I. think the reason they didn't do that is because the nuggets shot fifty four percent from three in this game, right? But I mean, those guys I think they could. I guess I'd consider it especially without Harrison Harrison Barton available like that. That's part of what makes this a real challenge dude. We'd love to talk about this series. This is waiting for like over thirty minutes here on the we did over thirty minutes. It's part of it's just because it's also weird with all these absences but the incredible incredibly enjoyable. Let's get to Dallas and the clippers in just a moment here I. Think we have to start in this game with the controversial ejection of Kristaps Porzingis and both of those technicals one was the Air Punch as he screamed. After he got what he thought was clean blocking maybe was maybe it wasn't. He kinda got on the arm but in the heat Abalta that probably feels pretty clean and then he does the Air Punch and then he jumps in on Don-shik when he got into like just a little bit of an altercation with Marcus, Moore's after Morris wrapped him up after whistle to prevent him from getting three point play and more. So just to kind of be an asshole which succeeded and so forth gets gets a little bit of a running start. There's like a slight disagreement between Lucas. And KRISTAPS porzingis Johnson gives little shove to Morris. Morris shoves him back, which is a smart move because you draw more attention to it. They're Marcus. Morris is always going to shove. You back is not backing down from anyone and I mean as soon as we saw that were like, oh, he's gone. He's already got a technical like this is when you jump into an altercation like that you're probably going to get technical again. A lot of people were complaining that it was soft but I would. If you want to blame anyone blamed the League office, don't blame the officials because they are doing what they are told to enforce and it'd be nice if they would have just swallowed their whistles on that one but you've got reviews here they have things that their trans-youth they are being graded on how they are enforcing this stuff and crops dingus was gone. And both of them? Yes. It's kind of annoying. Yes it's ticky tack but Chris Dingus should know better and he didn't it's a weird. It's a weird thing because there's this I. It is kind of like the softest combination of correctly called technicals to get somebody checked it but they're both correctly called an the air punch thing is something that everybody in the League should be very attuned to I've you on the video it's On the video every year and not only that is been prominent recently because Grayson Allen got technical for an Air Punch that ended up being an important part of the resolution of the playing game like this was extremely recent. There were three of them called in the last three days and all all of which mattered, and so you can't be surprised and yeah, you you can get. There is a very good argument about need to. Let players and you get all the stuff but I think there's a larger Meta conversation that needs to happen probably money mccutchen everything else like that. It does seem like the refs are more their restaurant. Now are a little bit too afraid of like going away from the specific guidelines. But if that's the way, the League wants to manage it. Then that's the way the league wants to manage it like I think I wouldn't. I would prefer different more immoral lenient kind of system especially in the playoffs because it genuinely sucks to have a game affected dramatically as this one was by a pretty weak ejection but they were both correctly called and I think the place to go from there is we did this game live for the NBA cast and the early part the very beginning for three and a half minutes. You've just go here it goes again the. The clippers really engaged defensively. I thought they did a fantastic job and it was feedback loops. They were getting these stops and getting wide open looks because Dallas wasn't getting back in transition and at the eight thirty mark of the first quarter they're up eighteen to to Luca Danni pitches turned the ball over four times. You're just go. Well, it's you know they got hit in the mouth. It's Dallas First playoff game for basically all. Of their players of importance and they fought back I mean and they made it made this game. Many times actually went up to a fourteen point lead in the same quarter where they trailed by sixteen and I thought Luke rebounded with a very good rest of his game when he had also tweaked his ankle, it seemed like earlier on. Yeah. He'll go through a lot of stretches like that where he seems like he's limping around. As well, and I think Luka played about as as you can expect once he calmed down in the beginning and yet I mean that pressure was in Saint Patrick Beverley knocked away gotta steal I literally the first pass the game as they tried to hand back after winning the tip, he gets a steal and Kawhi was all over the place Marcus Morris had four steals and they really were just killing them early. But then the tenor changed a little bit beverly went out Lou Williams came in, they're not gonNA bring the same level. A defensive pressure at that point in time they went to Reggie Jackson? Who that's probably not a car that doc rivers should be playing much more in this series of the mavs started hitting some shots as while Hardaway South Korea to things Kinda change when he came in and Trey Burke I also thought that Carlisle did well to just take Luca out of the game for three or four minutes thereafter his terrible start you normally would take them out much later but just to settle down seen Steve Kerr do that sometimes with Korean was able to come back in we'll. Also. Set the tape set the tone for something else which is that Doc rivers didn't change his rotation when Carlisle did that and so that also put Luca on the floor with the combination of Reggie Jackson and move Williams, and so we all not only did he get the chance to collect himself he also got to cook against a way worse clippers roster, and so it was this weird situation where the clippers had their two best players off the floor Kawhi Paul. George and just so they didn't have their offense wasn't good enough to sustain all the way and defense was was atrocious and so it gave Luca chance to kind of get right with that, and you get that hold the short memory benefits and also I thought that one of the other really interesting dynamics in this game that the porzingis ejection fundamentally changed, which now becomes the big story for game too was that I thought Dallas was getting to something when they were. Playing porzingus without Cleopa because when Mexico's on the he was a little bit reluctant, he took five threes only made one of them and so doc was okay. Playing Zoo bots when Clinton was on the floor and he was really making life hard for John as a finisher run the rim. But whenever they went to anybody else with as much as harrow or going even smaller Luca felt a lot more comfortable attacking the basket for his scoring and for like interior passes. Opposed to driving and kicking out to somebody like Seth Curry yet particularly in the third Zubov had three nights contests. Dutch one of them was like an impossible hood shock that don actually made on the baseline but overall, it looked pretty decent frazee botts and they're okay with them guarding cleave. As you mentioned Cleveland had too bad misses right at the started it a little bit gun shy I did think that Cleo was as good as you can be in an isolation against. The White did hit some impossible shots at him but the problem is clear but is he just can't get through a screen at all. It seemed like every time he got screened on the ball and this is something that we talked about it the series he he instead of trying to get over it just like grab the guy who just screened him for some reason but they weren't switching said I. Couldn't get through that and that's why quite learners so are to deal with right now, you Cleveland is a pretty unique player in his ability to have his size and still move his field. I mean the plays that he made cutting guys off in this game were just incredible. Good. His we talked about guys I up like his last step to like get in front of guys and cut them off. A was really incredibly quick. But that quite learners really worked hard on his pick and roll game, he's improved as a distributor. This year he had six assists in this one and remember going back to last year where it gives career high in assists was nine and he got that in that game five, I think against the box and now distributed the ball a lot more this year and but now he has that in his game and so yeah, you could put clear bottom to try to make the ice award of go walk as just. GonNa go to to pick and roll then instead cause problems and that's also what Paul George did on Cuba I understand the idea from Carlisle of going bigger trying to get more defense on the floor I thought the Mavericks defended about as well as you could hope in this game particularly since they had to go to more bovine, they would liked with porzingas gone and Boban was really struggled to protect her just too immobile to like get into position to make any block he has long arms, but he has slow reactions and has slow feet so that combination actually is tougher and it makes you also like it makes you appreciate how Mason like to watch the book ends of go bear and Bo Bon who like they're both like insane physical specimens. But Ruto just move so much faster and also his his like his his basketball brain worked so much faster so that he can get places that Bo bunches can't thing that stuck out to me is just with Cleveland on the floor the mavs just didn't have enough supplemental playmaking the only other guy out there who really is going to dribble much is Tim Hardaway junior and he's not gonNa make plays for others really, and so you saw some instances where Dutch would get the initial opening swing. The ball to the weak side is he loves to do and you know maybe there'd be an uncontrolled close out where someone else could have driven or. And then drove and kicked himself and set up a three, but it would go to someone like Cleveland who's not really that capable in those spots if the initial three is taken away and so you see dodger to make the path there might have been a little opening that a competent ball handler widened but instead, you're just kinda waiting for judges to go get the ball back and you wasted a bunch of time. We like there was that there was that one that stuck out to me were Mexico. had an open corner three, the and Paul George was closing. Hard and instead of either taking the shot or pump-faking and getting something else Cleveland Russia's to pass, and basically by that point by the time, it got settled the clippers wordy already back to their stuff dowse had the advantage was completely gone. So it wasn't a record scratch it was it was just it just nullify the advantage and hardaway junior thought he had a little bit of an inconsistent night. There were times that his charlotte good. He would had had a couple of finishes but then other points where I think it was a little bit too aggressive and the. Also, intriguing from some of the support player perspective I mean m cagey hitting two three threes in that sequence in I believe. Like. That would be the ultimate and found money his shot to me looks better not fixed but better, and also like I I brought this up during the broadcast but I as you said, I agree with the the thought process behind playing Mexico by that makes sense I thought he did a pretty good job defensively on in particular but you get into this point where it's probably better to the. Basically the way you're going to win games in this series more regularly even though Dallas defended better than isolated is just by throwing many weapons as you can and trying to outscore them and I thought that Seth Curry he fits so well with Luca, because curry knows how to find his spots and he's such a great uncontested catch and shoot guy in particular is contests ups okay and so like he's just Minutes. He was just getting into a total rhythm and the clippers aren't always the most attentive off ball especially if it's some of their weaker offenders and so I thought that curry was able to find spots Mexican but just doesn't it definitely an incredibly while he's The problem that Carlos really concerned with is that clippers size on the wing and he just doesn't WanNa get caught in that match up with curry having a guard Georgia Leonard and when you got him out there, that's a possibility. Many have already got hardaway who particularly on Kawais? Really. GonNa be overwhelmed it most of the time just with his size and strength but I do think that Carlisle might eventually decided. No we gotta just beat these guys with offense. We had the pink greatest offense in NBA. History, let's let's do it our way and not worry as much about the defense that particularly as you mentioned, moving Cleveland to the second unit that will enable you to match up Porzingus Zoo bots and make zoo botch guard like a real three point shooter and take him away from the basket where he's not gonNA cause me problems for Luca. Then as you mentioned, I think Luka just to his isolation game getting into the lane his patients if he can get past the initial defender when the clippers. Are, playing smaller he's GonNa be able to score a run herald or Michael Green or whoever the center ends up being uh, speaking of which about six minutes left the clippers takeout Harrell who is definitely show a working his way back into shape after missing a bunch of time like he looks like he's a I've never seen him looking this heavy. So He's definitely got a- and understandably so given the personal tragedy but it just from a basketball perspective, he didn't look explosive very reliant energy you know. He's he's not the type of guy who can be carrying a few extra pounds of effective. So they take him out. They don't go back to zoo box even though he was good in and they could have gone to him because Cleo was the center they I think they would have been fine with that and said, they went to their small group and it was to Michael Green at center for that entire time I am I right about that or do they even go with like Morris at center? It was to Michael Green but I'm not one hundred percent. Sure. Confirmed that yes. So it was to Michael Green for about a minute and a half and they actually brought Lou. Williams. That's right for four. It was four Joe Michael Green which we thought was definitely interesting. So it was Lou Patrick Beverley Kawai Marcus Morris, Paul George. So a lot of spacing, a lot of it's out there and so. We had cart some about Lou Williams being in this group the thinking being that, hey, you're not necessarily going to give him the ball. So what you've got Paul George already and so why are you going to put him out there when he's a defense reliability and both those things turned out to not really be true in this interruption of that lineup down the APP and it was it was a one point game with Luke came back. Yeah. That's a good point. And to elaborate that will bit looted miss a couple layups but he got a couple of wide open looks just blue blue by guys. There wasn't enough help at the Rim because part of your problem there is without porzingus and etiquette porzingas is around much of this may change in the next game if it's close but you've got Cleveland guarding Kawhi so he can't really help at all and so all these drives there's nobody else to dodge. It was almost like the primary help defender. I thought he actually played pretty decently defensively in this game, but you're asking way too much him and then the bigger problem for Dallas was on the other and they couldn't really take advantage of Lewd. They were not getting great shots down the end and it Lewitt's what he was doing was he basically wasn't really helping on the screen. It seemed like he was just sticking with whoever was saying the street who was kind slipping through, and so Dell's just didn't do a good job. Continuing to hunt him part of that was because they were doing some pre switching hiding in a little bit. They did manage to have one play where they hit him and tonsured it to treat burkey drove on the baseline, but he just missed the layup but the other thing is just whoever set in that screen is being Garba. Looms he's just got to set a better screening. Yeah. Like force and at that point Luke just let Lucas get downhill you've done your job at that. Point that guy was like trying to slip it thinking that Lou going to hedge out and are just set the screen and make make Lou Williams switch onto Luke Dodge and then look at the James. Harden does this to Lucas could watch films James Harden what James Harden do in those situations is when the small guy steps out, he'll just dribble right into the body of that guy and so that guy basically has to stay on him or if he leaves them then they then. Bill to go right to the basket. Yeah and so that guy will you he wants to get back to his man but harden is almost just like forcing him to stay with them by dribbling into his body and then you end up being able to throw it to the roll man for three or he just gets out of the way of, but it's So they got to do a better job there certainly of taking advantage of Lou Williams but a and. To see how the Defense GonNa Change if Porzingas is out there, and if they stick with that group or not I mean I guess they would put Marcus Morris which everything anything else on this one I got a couple other notes I think that's all I have. Trey Burke had to leave the game, he the Moxie Cleveland's foot and basically was taken out. So US actually important player for them I know you score that much but he really settled things down and Riccar loves playing with his two guards particularly Dutch out of the game about adjustments I think playing playing curry morph more with certain maybe doesn't start but just give getting him. They're forcing a little bit of the clippers hand with zoo bats I think would make a big difference will be I. Think a lot of what Dallas did actually actually looked pretty good I think that's really from their perspective the only. Thing and then for the Clippers Reggie Jackson was terrible. He also doesn't really have much of a point on this team I, think that the key complication probably emotionally just you know player who has been a star in the league for a long time who does way out of a bad out of like a non contending situation goes to the clippers who looks like they have something to offer but then they just they just don't like there's nothing that Reggie will that Reggie Jackson brings to this team that they need in important minutes. They haven't they have too many good players in some ways and so and especially. If Lou, Williams. Can stay on the floor at which you won't against everybody. But but Reggie his defense was bad in this one is offense was in some ways worse and I think I think that'll be a big problem and then with mantras heroin, some of the other guys is just getting getting all the way back we can Patrick Beverley. Oh, that's something else is like Patrick Beverley played very good defense and was super aggressive but he commits such an incredible amount of files like He. He committed five in the twenty minutes he played, but they also could have called a few things which they didn't I mean. He had five falls in like eleven minutes. Yeah. The third gortat anyone he came back and he managed to to stay out of it other we did have to give up one lay up because he was worried but he did have beverly did have some big offensive rebounds and I thought physically he looked a little bit better than I anticipated when CAF issues there there notoriously tricky I think that the clippers getting healthier one to one up making a pretty big difference and so I am very I'm very interested in game two of the series it could end up being a kind of a longer one than. I anticipated I. Still think the Clippers are going to win it but again, going back to the framing I used for game for the first game I. Feel I do feel a little bit queasy about clippers and five just because the mavericks to me they defended better than I spotted at times. They scored better because that I I think that I four minutes was a reflection of the clippers defensive ceiling but also anomalous at the same point. Yeah. This is a weird game because the mavs were over fifty percent from three in the first and then I think they only made three in the second half. Yeah. They're. Twelve to twenty one of the person at twenty two in the second and don-shik who've meant he's got it to so much offensively and he played thirty eight minutes. In this one he had the eleven turnovers four fouls, even only playing thirty eight minutes. Can he really play at this kind of a pace with this kind of a workload? Yes. He had the highest ever number of points for someone in the NBA Playoffs debut I think he might have beaten Derrick rose's record for that I think rose had like thirty five back in two, thousand, nine against the Celtics. So forty two points I mean and outside of the Journal US unbelievably eat dead forty two points and he did it was better defensively Yup I. Agree with me I thought his energy level was pretty good but it'd be nice. He'll play more minutes I. Don't think recall things he can do that. He's probably right and I just think Lucas in big time danger of wearing down here. Can they get more out of key Gilchrist I think if you're Dallas you gotta just I would just play key Gilchrist et cetera get rid of `Obon completely I mean he actually ended up as plus five, but it wasn't really anything that he was doing he didn't do much other. Than get a few defensive rebounds, interesting the Berkeley Twenty minutes Jalen right only played six minutes. He got yanked after a one turnover that was basically his only box score contribution. It'd be interesting to see if we go with him more, but he's not a great shooter and I think that's he hasn't been a great fit for what they're looking for with that Yeah. Might try and give him cages more time. If he's going to see see if this is crazy shooting run continues for the clippers we saw eight minutes a landry shamet he was over one negative nineteen he he's still does a decent job defense. Contracting shooters reason humans date of nineteen is they were playing him at small four Yup with Reggie Jackson and Lou Williams e. Docs gotta just like I think he just needs to plan out and think about his lives a little boring and we talked about that before the series of just how there's a both for the reason of continuity and experimentation. But also just because for emotional standpoint, there's a lot of guys who expect to play you. Kinda. GotTa play all of them and I in some ways be like, Hey, I tried you and it didn't work to have a justification. The clippers are still continuing to ease into it, but the good news for them is that looks awesome Paul. George looks awesome. Marcus Morris senior looked awesome as well with four steals. He got into the mid range hit three assists from downtown as well. Kawai was unstoppable. It was only one of seven from three that marred his night. So I think the clips could actually play better to get to the foul line more do anything can play a little bit better offensively. So we'll see this is the same obviously will decide the series and give me that zone Riccar Lyle that zone one other reason I think the clippers end up kind of being award winner of the day. Is that it looks to me like the Utah Denver series is going to be long and challenging for both those teams and neither one of them has played particularly good defense other than rudy go bear and so whoever wins that series and faces the clippers is just going to get blindsided game one like Oh, crap. This is what actual defense looks like and because both those teams the defending the clippers is so different than defending each other and I think that will be. So I think they're going to, they'll be they'll have an advantage in the next round. To. Let's get to the last game that we're GonNa talk about because you know our policy on the nets and the magic that were not GonNa talk about those games afterwards unless they're they're close if it's close will go back and watch it for you and give you all the details. But one, thirty, four, one, ten yeah. Brooklyn got within nine at one point. Some of our colleagues actually got sucked into watching that game I. Fortunately it's it's an endurance game right now I. Mean Four Gate Four Games in a day bang, Bang Bang Bang you kind of. especially. Over a two week period man like I'm I'm sorry I'm not GonNa Waste, my energy on this crap series that broncos no chance. But let's talk about a more interesting series. That's Philly. Boston can I can I start with the stat here? I just found this I found. Fascinating. in this game. So this is one of the one of the hustle stats with all the tracking stuff is in, yet for today's games, which is a little bit sad for me because there was this that I was actually looking for for this game, but it's not in deflections is something that's tracked already the Philadelphia Seventy sixers in this entire. Game had four total deflections, three of which were Matisse Stibal Boston had twenty two and use those twenty two thousand part of their eighteen force turnovers compared to seven. You make a good point there like I. Think this Boston team plays a lot harder than Philadelphia does and they also have more they have more sharks and more opportunistic players to table that. Can Be moments but I think that Boston does more to make life uncomfortable than Philadelphia, Philadelphia does have some they do have defensive players. There were times in this game. It was in the second quarter seth partner tweeted this out about like you can see Kinda the outlines of what we thought. They were going to be at the beginning of the season even though the personnel is very different like of. Being a nasty defensive team, and then having enough offense to make it work. But I think that the overall arc of this was broadly what we anticipated even though some of the specifics are not and then but then the wrinkle that I think was thrown in unfortunately in this game is that we don't know where the availability of Gordon Hayward is going to be moving forward I fear we to on. Effect that he left on crutches in a walking boot Emery scheduled is not the legacy that he suffered that horrific injury to thankfully but it was very weird looking sprain looked like he almost it was an version rather than an inversion sprain out the we never got a great look at what happened to it but the reaction the bet did he was immediately ruled out I fear this could be remember also that he's GonNa need to leave the bubble likely during. Ron To for the purpose which all similar to Mike. Conley. And you can't blame them for that they he tried to schedule it for when we didn't think to be basketball. So and I`Ma I just I have a feeling that he may be done for this series given what the reaction was to that now is does that mean that Boston can't win it? We'll talk about that after we talk about this game that he played most of this game and the. Didn't really wasn't great but he he gives them a another ball. Hillary did have four steals of the twelve that Boston put up. You mentioned the deflections though clearly the possession game was the big issue here at one point Philadelphia in the second quarter sixty percent issue and that is awesome. One of five offensive ringlets. Why is it so low? Shoot sixty percent? Oh, because they have eleven turnovers and the Celtics have won. Yeah and. In the game overall Boston takes ten more shots from the field three more free throws and so even though Boston shot worse from two worst from three and but they also they possession game and there were equal and offensive rebounds I mean I think that was a huge part of the story here, and this has been something that's been an issue for philly going back a couple of years here and you thought with Ben Simmons with Matisse. With Josh Richardson Obviously Simmons isn't playing now that this problem would be over and that's why we're talking about. This was potential in the greatest defenses of all time before the season which has not materialized. In fact, I would posit that Boston now is the better defense despite the fact that you might say that Philly has more talent and even without Simon. So with Joel embiid and a drop coverage, they just don't force many turnovers and they're not putting much pressure on the. Ball Joel embiid basically, just standing in the lane against soup granted couldn't make him pay from three this game, but he's basically standing back there and Boston has these good ball handlers and yet it's GonNa be a little talk for them to get stuff right at the basket but they're able to it. They didn't shoot it particularly well, this game but they had a good offensive performance and the big part of that is because they only had seven turnovers they're just as no. Pressure, particularly, when thighbone La is out of the game and the Horford embiid thing just just didn't work in this one, I would say, well, the funniest thing about it is in some ways, this sixers coverage turns other teams into last year spurs but that kind of works for the Celtics because they have tatum and Kemba Walker and they still got just may shots at the Rim as Billy Mrs Wall I mean they also yeah. So but I think that Horford most of. The time. I thought that it didn't where he had some a point in the third quarter where it totally worked. It was only Horford on the floor but generally speaking, he looks like he looked like he was overmatched other than being what I think is like the other big story line. In this game, we haven't talked about the only player on the seventy sixers who can throw an entry pass and so but other than other than that. So can I give you status? jewel bead is per synergy had only six post ups in the whole game that he finished with a shot free, throw or turnover and part of why they just there's a lot of complaining down the end that they didn't get him the ball and they just couldn't, and we talked about how Boston you you mentioned the deflections we mentioned in the preview getting a lot of pressure on the passer would be huge and that's exactly what Boston did and I mean. There's one player on this. Philly team whose any good at passing and that's L. and they also don't have guys who can dribble. It's a really basic challenge but I mean and I think that's part of why Alec burks actually might have apart a larger part to play in the series is that he's not a perfect player but he can't actually dribble the basketball and that's potentially useful. Yeah he had he threw a couple Nice embiid did have seven possessions as the roll man in pick and roll although many of those were get the ball on the move kind of at the top of the key and then let Him a little bit I don't think that that's where Joel embiid has the advantage against the Celtics defense, which is great digging down from the side. You know you'd much rather go into his body in the post then try to face up against him out thinking Pete has a huge quickness advantage on Thais necessarily the an and then Joel just had to get his own on the offensive glass where he was pretty effective So those three main ways of scoring but I mean to only have six posts for the guy who leads the NBA. Among high volume guys in scoring points per possession in the post. Yeah. It's it's just not good enough and but even Horford he's a decent passer, but you can pressure him with impunity because it's not like he's GonNa rip through and drive by you if you're overaggressive particularly if you take away his right hand and so yeah, they just don't have great ways getting the ball in their deal. The thing they always do too is they're always looking for these opportunities post up Tobias Harris and Tobias Harris does a really APP great match up to. One Post up but he was always trying to post up with embiid above the foul line or horrible defined that didn't really work and you know Harris was totally toast game. It just exactly what he's been on this contract. You just don't even really notice he's out there and yeah, you know what? Like when Alec burks on the minimum you acquired for basically nothing like second round pick in the fifties is the guy that you're running your offense at the end because the guy who paid. A Max contract to is not capable of doing that. That's an issue. It isn't a show and Harris did have eight assess but they weren't I didn't see them as being as like Jenner like value added and stuff as some some other gasoline they were they were bad but I it's not like Oh man look at this guy, draw the whole defense and like dime someone up you don't see that much right. That's actually eight is there wouldn't shock. Me Looks like pretty close to a career high. It wouldn't shock me either I WANNA shift to the young wings of the Celtics and something that I really enjoyed about this game was the difference in the in the shot distributions for tatum and Brown. So Jaylen Brown's shot distribution was basically maury ball. He took five shots around the basket eight threes, which he made five of those, which was so important. To his success and then had three shots total in the inbetween from order and torrential Jason. Tatum took a bunch of Rangers, but tatum makes a bunch of mid. Rogers he's good in that in-between area and I thought that the the Celtics did a great job and you could throw Kemba in this fixes as well of putting their players in a circumstance. Where they were comfortable and where they could succeed. Yeah. Definitely. I thought tatum he had an outstanding line in this one, thirty and ten, thirty, two, thirteen I should say overall thirteen game three blocks did get the follow on tenable. That was one of the things that he had struggled with an end was ten or twenty one basically anyone other than. Matisse liable. He cooked and tatum got it a key free throw when they got the switch of thighbone. Richardson. To Horford did not close type clothes for him and burks close for Milton. But they got the switch tatum rips at through drives hard to his right hand and uses sized vans to draw follow on Richardson's of Richardson. Not, really able to guard tatum. Miami Judge Richardson being better against guys got in. He's he's fallen off little defense. That's part of why they've disappointed and then I think just the diversity of attack from Boston. Did a lot of hand off stuff at the elbows against beat with him hanging back so that they could just get these wide open looks for their jump shares jared wastewater that it's kind of. Twenty seventeen twenty eighteen offense rather than what they've run with the as many pick and rolls as they do lately. they also switched up a lot defensively they did fairmount switching even against embiid. Then they went to more of a traditional coverage late in the in the second out, the tone was getting a lot of those roll man possessions, but they continued to switch up the never double team embiid like immediately on the catch they waited till you put the ball on the floor impede had five turnovers which he had been better passing out a double teams. I think a lot of those turnovers though were those off the dribble plays where they're really good at digging down not necessarily just like. Didn't initiate around the basket they initiated for right out on the floor I. completely agree there and the rotation for Boston Marcus smart could hit anything but he played thirty two minutes and then nobody else off the bench played more than thirteen and actually interestingly enough was Robert Williams who had four fouls the as expected but he did some things with four offensive rebounds and if. He has a quick jump and he has really long arms. So there were a couple of those offensive rebounds where I thought he surprised guys we didn't see any of those surprised blocks in this one but yeah I continue the till like a little bit of Robin Williams they did in the first half. Stevens. Did the match of capable bit were cancer was In when when embiid was in when they switched to Horford, they went to Robert Williams I. I understand the idea behind that I'd kanner like it was one of those things I thought. He was worse than the numbers early on and then you had a couple of okay moments later. But yeah, we'll be interested at Williams playing more than cancer was maybe a surprise. But I thought Williams play better than. Kenner, personally. A Challenge but I mean, and if which we both believe that Gordon Hayward is going to be less available. That is going to throw minutes and someone's lap. We don't know exactly who's it's going to be really marcus smart because he can't play much more than he already is maybe mean he'll probably start he played thirty two minutes we'll probably get up to forty though he's always a candidate for foul trouble truncates those. So maybe some of that goes to odelay maybe it goes to Rubio LANKFORD WHO Play who played in garbage time but that's good to see because he had that. I believe it was a wrist issue that WHO's potentially doing with. So we'll see where Stevens goes with it. I don't think that is as. Missing Gordon Hayward is is clearly important, but the sixers don't exactly have enough to punish don't punish weak links in the same way the other teams do, but theoretically, the raptors absolutely would in could as much as we talked about phillies offense of limitations, they shot pretty much average from three and they put a one eleven offense rating with that's not bad better than expected mean where they really lost this game is a defense and they did it with giving up a ton of offensive rebounds, Celtics, which again that. Given the size that they have on the floor, a lot of the time that's pretty inexcusable. Celtics are dolphins rebounding. They just have these wings will seek in their at Boston was much better in transition that's going to continue to be the case. Philly has absolutely nobody who can push the ball out there whatsoever with no Ben Simmons. So continue to look for that. I do think we're gonNA see table in the starting lineup for Horford and really bummer that they I mean just their two biggest acquisitions A. Three biggest acquisition since the Tobias Era Straight and those guys just aren't dynamic enough Richardson Horford and they. Jimmy. Butler. They let him go. Obviously he would look pretty good in this series. Should we talk about what the LOS A- Hayward is GonNa do though does that challenge that changer look in the series that Kinda went according to form here in this? First Game. It gives Stevens fewer options. I mean it especially because when you have an injury then now Marcus Marcos let's assume he goes into the starting lineup. Then if any of there being guys gets in foul trouble if they turned an ankle whatever happens, then it it goes does those responsibilities go on somebody else? We don't know exactly I think Williams. More because it's three things they're going to go and water directions but also it makes offensively it makes Boston starting lineup a lot less dynamic they lose one of their good ball handlers and scores, and that gives you know Marcus smart is aggressive but that he is a way, an intelligent defensive team can take advantage of that from time to time might. Be Sure how Philly will approach that how aggressively they'll like try to beat him into stuff because you'd rather marcus smart taking shots than tatum and camera and some of the other things. So I'll be I'll be interested in that and it's dispiriting if it ends up being the theory is a theory that you have sipping right because then we don't get to really see much of this Boston ceiling in the in the playoffs at least in the first two rounds and I assume the theory being that hayward is GonNa Miss Significant. Yes. No I agree with you I think they're going to be okay for. This series particularly having one Game One Boston and they have weathered this throughout the season they're not strangers to this. I. Mean Smart is still capable blind. They have more ball handling and wing scorers and basically anyone in the league. I think they'll probably get a little better defensively without here's to the heroes of the four steals today you know they're going to get worse for shooting perspective of its own delay or grant. Williams are probably more Brad. wanamaker will see a lot of that too. They can't really extend Kemba Walker much more. He played thirty minutes I don't think Steven. Wants to do more than that. Until they really get in trouble in the series, but smart can play more. He can handle the ball more as well on the second unit. So I think Philly's going to win games in the series series, it's going to be easier for them to do. So I probably would stick though with the my Boston six prediction going forward here with them having banked when even without hayward and in terms of adjustments for next time, we talked about some of the rotational changes getting impede the ball just with their limited personnel it's suffering the getting him the ball on the short roll is probably about the best. Thing you can do, but that's just you know he's not really a great pick and pop big man he does these slow motion drives it gives them a lot of turnovers. I mean maybe you could hope to Kinda just like let them back down a little bit from the wing anymore maybe like some like side pick and rolls going into a post up. But this is it becomes a question of just who's going to deliver the ball maybe especially with maybe wanamaker getting more time maybe you go how will netto just to get a little more passing on the four maybe he could throw an entry pass. Run a pick and roll into a post up for EMBIID. But then his size on the other end makes them vulnerable and small roles maybe you can do that when tatum off the floor Ed play Natto a little bit more that he might actually give you a little bit of use in transition because they've nobody pushed the ball floor. But now these are not incredibly easy answers in Cork. Mas didn't play much maybe get a little more shooting from him can open open it up at this Boston team is just really good about If you WANNA light up and throw the ball in the post against Sunday. They're just too good at helping their too good at disguising their coverages or too good at Qa showing you different looks. So I don't know that it's going to get that much better for Joel Embiid at this point in time it also got a say this to draw has a few nagging injuries like I wouldn't say that he was playing especially hard in this game. He wasn't fighting incredibly hard for the deep post position in part proud school. You didn't think you can get the ball, but that's where he did not dominate physically in this game other than a few moments in the offense. There were some flashes but there weren't there weren't enough of those to think of he that he was the best player on the floor consistently. I didn't think that today other than those those few specific moments and that is a real challenge in my just to put a little bit of a number on it Philly was actually. In the transition, they got according to putting the glass. Transition frequency they only only seven point eight percent of their possessions like it. Started with a transition that's the terminology that clean the glasses that is exceedingly low. That's less than half of the rate of the Celtics as the Celtics were running super aggressively either I will be back. Tomorrow can have at least three gamers for you at that point NBA gas stay tuned on that. We are going to do a couple more this. Week. Probably, not tomorrow night though since we did one today but if you've put bart that Google will tweet, that will figure out what that schedule is going to be pretty closely here that seems like that's going to be our live programming for the time being and anything else you need to talk about where we go I off season preview of the. Spurs should be coming out in the next day or so I submitted it today. So that was interesting I I pre- wrote a lot of parts of that. But then of teams, of course, like the Spurs and Suns where I was inspired by what they did in Orlando and fundamentally changed their off-season I wrote about that. So I talked a little. Bit. About Derek whites development and everything like that so that it was it was interesting to go through that and kind of see what I wrote and then see how Orlando changed that how the bubble changed it. So that was that was fun that should be out at the athletic I would guess Tuesday but it might be one say arts our jobs.

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March 27 Hour 1 Greatest Nugget of All Time Debate | NFL, NFL Draft, and Roger Goodell

"And then five minutes after the twelve o'clock hour welcome welcome. This is the whole show power to buy. Pdc energy this update for you. News related We'll get back into sports top experiment. Us House passes officially the two trillion dollar economic relief. Bill is American cases spread. So this is real. I know there's a lot of different opinions on that side of wanted to get that out there. First event is text line. Three one nine nine six three one nine nine six. Shoot me a text on our first advantage. Text Line three one nine nine six three one nine nine six. Colfax we got. We got a cool new segment coming up man. This is going to be a good thing. I think I'm really excited about this. And the Second Hour. I'm excited our movie slash. Tv show reviews. It's GonNa be official title Brady and Colefax review movies slash. Tv shows because there are no sports on TV. You'RE GONNA have to remember that because I can't I mean it's pretty straight figuring in these uncertain times Colfax. It is important to be crystal clear like I just. I really think that that's important right now. I have vanished text line. Three one nine nine six three one nine nine six. Our power to play sports poll question has a lot of people fired up. But I like that man. I liked that whole against getting after it already and I disagree with every one of you. So that's even better go to the whole show dot com to vote. Who IS THE GREATEST DENVER? Now get of all time. Nicola Yokich Chauncey billips to Kim Bay Matombo Carmelo Anthony Fat Lever. Alex English David Thompson. Dan Isel Byron back guys like Marcus. Camby Kenyon Martin Allen Iverson Jamal Murray boy. They didn't quite make the cut. Antonio mcdyess Lafond so else. They didn't make the cut because what? I'm looking for here is obviously talent but how much you your impact on the nuggets organization. So I wanna see where you guys are on this one. Go vote online at the whole show dot COM. Colfax any guesses as to. Who's WHO's leading this bad boy mellow Yokich and he just looked at my guess would have been Carmelo. Anthony mellows actually not getting much love at all. I mean he's he's getting some. Yeah well I guess. He's in. He's tied for second place right now. So there. You Go Alex English thirty percent of the Hogan's are saying Alex English which which makes sense. I mean he's right there now. I'm not going to be one of those guys. Colfax might GONNA be one of those guys that pretends. Oh well. I didn't watch Alex English but I did go back in time. And I watched every game that he played in full game. No didn't do that. My My parents my my dad and my brother loved Alex English. You look at his numbers. They were fantastic. You look at what he how. He led the Nuggets Organization. They did go to their first of two Western Conference finals. So He's right there for me for me. It's it's I got three guys that are in the top right now and we'll kind of go through that we'll sift through it but I definitely put Alex English there. I definitely put Carmelo Anthony there and I definitely put Nicole Yokich there. Those are my three and again. I didn't watch David Thomson. Alex English Dan Isel Byron Beck Fat Lever. Watch those guys play. I watched I mean I'm pretty young. I mean I don't necessarily remember when I'm not saying I'm young. I was pretty young. Matombo did his thing. I mean we all love to Kim back and then obviously he's a piece of part of one of the greatest moments in nuggets history when they pulled off the eight versus one seed. Upset over the Seattle Supersonics so that was one of the great moments in nuggets history which is also sad thing. I might point out now again. It's not a sad thing that is very rare for an eight seed to beat a one-seat obviously it's only happened like once or twice I think. But that's your greatest one of your greatest moments not a championship not winning the Western Conference finals. Not Breaking a record and wins in a regular season. It's not it's not that it's winning around and I believe they lost the next round so and that was a great moment. I'm not trying to take it away. So they can base certainly there. I'm curious to see what you guys think again. Go vote at the whole show dot com. And we'll go through. This juice mellow the best closer. The nuggets ever had again. Alex English would be up there with that. And that's based on just media coverage that you will get from this guy. That's based on his stats. That's based on how good this team really was. Dennis was a study. I mean he was five percent of the Hogan's are saying Daniel played that center position was was damn good at it too. But I'm not. I'm not going to go in that. Top Fat Lever obviously was great. But he's getting no love. He's getting three percent of the votes from the holy guns while Byron. Beck's getting just under two percent. David Thompson's fifteen tied with Carmelo. Anthony Nicola Yokich is seven percent just almost getting close to eight percent of the whole thing in that. The joker is right there. What does he need to do to get to that next step? He's been to the playoffs once they were going to go this year. So but that's now I may net may or may not count but the nuggets definitely were. They didn't lock it in yet but they would have had to lose like ninety percent of their final game. I think they had what twenty seventeen games remaining or something like that they would have. I think Colfax and I calculated it was like they'd had to lose fifteen seventeen. And then whoever was in the ninth spot would have to win fifteen out of seventeen so the odds of that happening were not very good at all. So yeah the nuggets were Nicole Yokich. You can go ahead and just put that in your brain mentally Nicole Yokich in the in. His Denver Nuggets made it to the playoffs twice whether or not we finished the season or not. The Nuggets would have been a playoff team so that counts. I think that does count in my book. Even though it wasn't locked in and it wasn't a hundred percent something very rare would have to happen that I don't even know that team falls out that by that much First advantage text line. Three one nine nine six three one nine nine six weld county. Swami says he's got to get to the weld. Com FOR TO THE WELD conference took the Western Conference finals. Probably right if we're going to base it off of I'm going to base it off of stats but also team success. So individuals success is part of it longevity of your career with the nuggets as part of it but also what you did with your team. I mean you look at Carmelo. Anthony is see this is why I think Carmelo. Anthony deserves a lot more praise than he gets. You guys just hate him because he wanted traded and I understand that but when Alex English played for the nuggets they actually the year before. Alexander's came to the. They weren't very good but the year before that they were actually. Okay Win Carmelo. Anthony joined this team. They were terrible. They were awful and when he became a Denver Nugget they were never bad again ever for as long as he was Denver Nugget. They made it to the play-offs every single year. And so I mean to me yes. Alex English was one of the top. Nba Players in the NBA. At that time Carmelo was one of the best if not the best scorer in the NBA during his time. So I think that that's worth pointing out is when Alex came to this team. This was this was a group that was not necessarily as deep into the pits as they were when mellow got there. I mean nobody. The nuggets were winning. They were winning. Jeff Bezos Dalek was their head coach right and they want there was one year maybe two years before Mel Gibson. They won eleven games so they were bad. I mean they were. They were really bad and in the nineties. They were really bad. So you suffered in the late mid to late nineties so you suffered a lot of bad basketball and then Carmelo Anthony. Pompton English played with the nuggets. For what eight seasons and mellow about the same he was he was with Denver from what one two three four five six seven eight eight years. Inose eight years. They made it to the playoffs every year. They got eliminated in the first round every year. Save for the one year. They went to the Western Conference finals. But that was a damn good nuggets team and it did take Transi to get him there and I think that that's a knock on Mello's well whether they're close. I believe but Alex English played. He played a little a few more one. Two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve seasons with the nuggets so okay him in his career. You look at his numbers. He had great numbers. Great overall numbers to averaged twenty within. Let's just go with what he did with the nuggets? He averaged twenty five point. Nine points per game with the nuggets which is really good for assists per game about the six rebounds per game so those are great numbers and he was a pretty good defensive player when Carmelo was with Denver he averaged twenty four points per game which is crazy. I thought that was. I thought that would be a lot higher actually. He averaged about six rebounds per game three assists per game so those are some of the big stats that jump out at. You WanNa get your thoughts first advantage. Text Line three one nine nine six three one nine nine six county. Swami says it here. I think it's easy to forget. How how how good mellow was because he soiled the end of his career like farve did that and the way you left Denver. You Know Carmelo. Anthony is one of in in. This state. Is One of the most underrated players probably in Denver History? Because you hate the guy because he wanted out because he wanted to go to the Knicks to play. I understand the frustration. But this is that was going. That was kind of the start of but this is the way the NBA is. Now you're looking at the market. You WanNa go to where you either thinking where you're going to win or or what's the best market for you to grow your career and obviously with the Knicks. Didn't work out so much team wise but I mean he had one year where he averaged twenty eight points per game or twenty points per game with the next in two thousand twelve and two thousand nine. He did the same thing. Average twenty eight point so he had some huge years with the nuggets. But I also really like I like to look at the fact that when the nuggets were down in the I mean. This team was so bad. We didn't even talk about him and he pulled this team out of the depths out of the worst spot to be in the worst spot to be in the NBA. Now some people say being mediocre was the where spot because you never going to get better with picks and sure but constantly being the worst team in the NBA. Not Getting better. He just didn't isn't it's it's terrible. It's the worst spot to be. An mellow came in and took that team and they never missed the playoffs. They were leased. A legitimate team never really reached his full potential and I will agree with that mellow if he if he didn't he had an attitude early on. George Krall writes about an INS book. Now he says that was one of the most slash one of the most complicated players. I remember George Karl referencing. Something like mellow was if mellow at score thirty in a game but the nuggets were losing mellow was like. Come on guys. We can do this. We can do this. Come on if he had his thirty if he had his twenty-five but if if there was like three minutes left in the nuggets were down like seven and mellow sitting at fifteen. You saw mellow that was just. The energy was zapped. He wasn't there chauncey. Dr- chauncey referenced it to it wasn't there as much so mellow was one hundred percent would inject life into the team if he could get his individual game going right and that is not and that's why you never really took it to that leadership status to superstar status but talent wise on the on the scoring side of it. Even though English numbers are pretty similar. It's I still look at Carmelo. Anthony on the offensive side and say overall. He was better and what he did with with with that team in his time. Mclean says Alex English and mellow never got a first team. Nba Award Yokich has already in his young career. I was born in ninety six so I never watched Alex English play. And Yeah there's a lot of there's a lot of our whole against that don't that didn't watching and I didn't so I'm going to be fair on that. So five voting. I'm probably voting for either Carmelo Anthony or Nicole Yokich and if I'm going to say who's the best player between those two guys? I'm sorry I don't know that. It's a Western Conference finals. That yokich needs. I know he gets a lot of criticism I know gets is easy and shape. Does he want those frustrations are still real does win? How what motivates him but talent wise when Yokich is at his best. I'm I'm taking Nicola Yokich over Carmelo Anthony and Alex English. I think that his ability to pass being a seven footer. He passes better than most point guards if not all point guards in the NBA. He makes ridiculous. Passes AND BEING. Seven foot certainly helps. He has a pretty Nice Nice shot. The biggest knock on Yokich is that he doesn't. Maybe I'm spitballing here. But maybe doesn't believe in himself all the time. His defense isn't that great but Mella like didn't try and there is a difference when you watch a big man play defense. It's hard to say. They're not trying because their body and their body you'll get you just not built that way for some of the guys. He plays defense against his quick hands. Though mellow was just you know. He didn't go over screens and go on screens. He didn't communicate well. I've seen the joker tried to play defense and again mentally defenses a mental game so if you're mentally dedicated to playing defense you start to see some good things happen. Once in a while and steeler to a-block shot melody really have a lot. Big Defensive plays go vote at the whole show dot com would love to hear from you. the power to play sports poll question of the day who was the best nugget of all time and we got some great interaction on our facebook page as well facebook dot com slash whole show. Great Way to keep up with US twenty minutes after the hour. We'll talk about. Bruce Arians is Antonio Brown going to be a thing wide receiver of the future for the buccaneers. Now Tom Brady is there joe? 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This Jordan Davis from the University of Northern Colorado and you're listening to the whole show on thirteen ten KFI K. Many ways twenty six minutes after the hour. Welcome back to the show. This is the whole show powered by CDC energy. Our first advantage text line is three one nine nine six three one nine nine six. Call us at nine seven three five three thirteen ten. I'm an order out tonight from Windsor Mill Tavern excited about that. My wife and I have been looking forward to this nice Friday night and move down to the basement and watch some more tiger king probably Colfax so addicted to that stupid show. But we're well. I WanNa give our full thoughts on episode one. But we're not gonNA continue this next Friday by the way we're going to. Do you want my real thoughts on it. I'll tell you it throughout the week. But we're going to do something else next. Friday and I've already had a couple of suggestions so I don't know where we want to go with that Colfax. Yeah I mean we're not GONNA do every episode of Tiger King throughout the series. Now we got to spread out. Yeah so like movies at episode. Maybe we'll we'll probably get to the point where we review an entire season and do it. We literally came up with this idea yesterday and I could not watch the entire season. No there's enough. There's enough time there's enough time but we'd be really tired today and I get that. That was for work now. That's a part of our job. It's our part of our responsibility is to review stuff. So you know whether it's good or not but they're seven episodes and they're like forty seven minutes so the beast that's a beast and so we'll talk about episode one and we'll get your thought. Maybe we'll do like some bike. Podcast off air stuff if we want to go into the rest of the because I plan to finish it this weekend though I probably would. I think I can bus through Yeah I'll probably due to episodes tonight and to smarr. 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Tell Him we sent you here from the whole show powered by energy twenty nine minutes after the hour. This is our big story of the Colefax presented by FMS bank banking made simple the NFL draft will go on as scheduled April. Twenty third through the twenty fifth. The Commissioner Roger Goodell said in a League wide memo distributed Thursday in his memo obtained by. Espn's Adam Schefter goodell served warning to those around the League who criticize the League's stance he wrote in the memo quote? Public Discussion of issues relating to the draft serves no useful purpose and it's and his grounds for disciplinary action into quote Goodell so the NFL Management Council executive committee mouthful met Thursday was unanimous. And that the draft should go forward as scheduled despite the corona virus pandemic that has disrupted work for most of the nation. He went on to say everyone recognizes that the public health conditions are highly uncertain and there is no assurance that we can select a different date and be confident that conditions will be significantly more favorable than they are today. He wrote good idea bad idea. I mean they're not gonNa have from what I'm telling. There is not going to be open to the public from what? I'm hearing right there in positive. Espn posted not open to the public. So good move by the NFL. I mean you gotTa make decisions on that kind of thing. Should they have tried to push it out a little bit more the NFL very much wanting to keep with their regular schedule as much as possible? Meaning get the draft in get Are they gonNA have? Ota's training camp like normal. I'm certainly hopeful you know. Obviously we hear Mark Cuban saying things like NBA could be rolling by late. May I'm right there with you? Mark I want to be the case so badly but I mean it's a crazy time you guys all are seeing the news everyday seeing different information every day and it's scary stuff going on for sure no question about it so you're wondering just you know that's a month away. Colfax that's a month away and you're getting a lot of people in the same building and I I don't I don't know I don't hate the idea because there's part of my brain. Colfax is like I just want to get back to normal. I Wanna I wanna find something I wanna find those sports guy for sure but then the other side is like wait. Is this a responsible thing? I don't know? Do you WanNa go through a mess with the entire virtual draft type thing. I mean that's that's not even the issue really. I mean this is what it is. This is what they're going to try to do. Is that set in stone? Who knows maybe things do change. I'm not sure but I was a little taken aback by Roger. Goodell's comments of hey basically don't don't say anything bad about this move. Don't go against this move because you could be punished for public. Discussion of issues relating to the draft serve no useful purpose and his grounds for disciplinary action. That sounds a little strange to me. I mean we talk about Roger Goodell time and we disagree with his decisions now. Suddenly this probably one of the I mean. This is a decision that the closest decision an. Nfl team can have when it comes to lives at stake. Is that correct? Yeah and you're going to say. Public Discussion of issues relating to the draft serves no useful purpose in his grounds for disciplinary action. Sofa player gets on a radio show and says he doesn't like this and it's a bad idea. They can be disciplined for that is. That's how I'm reading it. If a coach doesn't they can be disciplined for that. Sean Payton the head coach of the saints who had corona virus seems to be getting better. He can't make any comment on this and if he does he will be disciplined little interesting first advantage text line. Three one nine nine six three one nine nine six our power to play sports poll question of the day. Who's the greatest nugget of all time? The claim says I'd take joker over mellow easy. A twenty ten ten stat line versus twenty five seven three stat line not to mention the unselfishness joke of Yokich also. Yokich will not get worse like melody. He's going to be great forever because the way he plays. He doesn't rely on athleticism or speed. Let me a pack that it's a good tax. I like that text. It it is. It's hard to just say he's going to be great forever because of the way he plays. I get where you're coming from though because his body might not wear and tear. But let's keep this in mind. They play him a lot of minutes and he plays for team Serbia whenever he can too so he is a guy is playing a lot of it. It's he's a seven footer. We've seen seven plus seven feet plus guys wear out over time so I get where you're coming from you know. He's not jumping up and down. Which which is probably easier on his knees a lot of MBA players are always jumping. And he's not not a jumper. He's not doing much of that. He has a slow pace. But it's also quick. The way passes the ball around. I actually agree with you McLean. He doesn't rely on athleticism or speed. I do think that his stat line is way more meaningful. He's triple doubles or meaningful. When you get them like joker when you get like Westbrook not so much but when you get them like Nicole Yokich they are meaningful and points are well and good. But I've said this about joker from day one. He's a superstar. He's an MVP caliber guy because of his unselfishness. My problem with the joker. Though if we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA play devil's advocate again. Is I don't like that. I have to push to get him to score. Didn't have to do that with mellow from what I know. You didn't have to do that with Alex English. That's my frustrate. That's what's keeping joker from being an obvious vote in my book now. I'm voting for joker. I've thought about this. I would vote for Nicole. Yokich right now. I think he is the best because he's overall better at everything defense different but again. We're talking about a seven foot center type player with a couple of small forwards different different tasks however Alex English is still get. He's getting thirty percent of the thirty. One percent of the votes joker. Now coming in at nine percent Chauncey billips at seven percent. Matombo is at twelve percent. Mellow is second still tied with David Thompson. At fourteen point five percent so go vote the whole show dot com. Let's see where you guys come out. Noobs as Alex English without question and Alex English says there. It's either mellow English or Yokich and it's tough for me but I am leaning toward Nicole. 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Yeah I I would be curious to see that too because mellows Mel is GonNa get a probably a lot more people around my age but also people around my age might vote for Nicola Yokich thirty something right because they saw the mellow days they appreciated the melodies but they also witnessing the Yokich days and you're seeing nuggets team that for two seasons in a row were considered top three top five team in the NBA last year. They were considered it. Wouldn't you agree a top five team in the NBA? And then this year depending on some rankings? They'd have them a seven or eight. But I mean that's why we ask the question yesterday's this nuggets roster one of the best roster's constructed. I'm with you. I want to know that answer as well. Text us on our first advantage text line. Three one nine nine six three one nine nine six yesterday was supposed to be opening day I mean we're missing a lot. That's not that's not all you know we've been going through. March madness in every weekend hits like Oh there's another kovacs who knows man. Maybe you you get me this year. You know and I'm on that roof but doesn't look like that's going to be a case man. Yeah own rough rough gopher you stuck with sign for another. That's graphic. I still have the picture in my phone of of when you were up on the roof and also when when I think our intern one of our interns here made the sign for you really. Well done she. She did a good job. Yeah it's a giant sign and as soon as you walk into Colfax as office that you see that I lost the whole show bracket challenge. I don't even see it anymore. It's just like it's GonNa be strange if you ever lose it but now it's GonNa be there for another year. I know I know man. That's the worst thing I mean this this yes I'll take you yes I'll take it but no this is why. Yeah we're we're we're going to bring out a lot of hopefully fun topics throughout the next couple of weeks like this greatest nugget of all time in their votes all over the place here. Alex English has Kinda gone getting most of the votes and and I would say that that is most of what I hear but I think is. Do you think it's unfair for someone like me or you or Mcclain? Who says he was born in ninety six to vote on English? You can't vote on Alex English. Who would win and a one on one matchup between Carmelo Anthony and Alex English and again? It's hard new. Been those guys that watched both can answer that better but new. Here's where you got to be fair man. There's definitely that demographic of people that are like basketball was way more physical better back. Then I disagree. I see the athletes. Lebron James is probably the best athlete I've ever seen in my life. Love Him. I don't care. He's probably the best athlete I've ever seen in my life. I mean he is just he. I think he could've played football. Had No problem with that. But there's a sign that says. Hey was tougher back then. Well yeah maybe I don't like listen. I'm not one of those guys who say says James Harden could've survived back in those days. I do think James Harden is a good basketball player. He's also smart. He took advantage of the rules and he morphed his game accordingly so I think to be fair who knows he might have changed his style of play. But listen we've had some great basketball teams. We've had some great basketball players in every era. It just you know there. Is that old school version of people that say now. I was just tougher back de teams. Were better back then. It was a different class of basketball back. Then I mean the athletes now are go back and look at Larry Bird John. Stockton even go any a lot of these guys. Karl Level Karl Malone. They're big some of them. Were big but look at the athletes now. Dwight Howard is not really not really one of one of those guys. That is one of the greatest basketball players by any means but he's they're all like ripped. They're all huge. Now they're all I mean they're they're they're athletic. Ability is just second to none says say Bo Jackson's grace athlete. Because he played both played two sports. And I get where you're coming from there but look at Lebron man I mean the guy's a freak of nature and I think it's easy to say. Oh Jackson guys like Dion Sanders because they played a key to different sports. And we're pretty good at both and I and I get that but I at the same time I definitely go. You look at Lebron. He just that is if you were designing an athlete. A picture of an athlete. I think it's Lebron James. Imagine being tight end. Nfl I mean He. He's he's he's fast. He's clicking play point. He plays point guard for if he wants to be. He can play any position on the floor. And I think that that is to me. That's that is is not just not crossing over sports but crossing over positions as a tough thing to do. The Guy can play center and he can play Point Guard. He can play any position. Twelve forty eight the time. Let's take a quick break when we come back up come back. Kusila is saying. Hey there's a running back on this roster that should be treated with respect and I get it but he's also saying the he's also saying that this running back. The broncos picked up isn't even good enough to carry Philip Lindsay shoulder pads. I WanNa talk about that coming up next. This is the whole show powered by energy. You're listening to the hall's show powered by energy and thirteen ten KFI K. Brady will be back after the break the best. Unc bears target game coverage lives on thirteen ten KFI. I Guys Colin Coward host of the heard. What'S UP NORTHERN COLORADO? You're listening to the whole show on thirteen ten KFI K. 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I Love Sports History for sure but I'm not going to be a guy that pretends that I. This is my favorite player because I watched him play when I pick a team when I what I argue with people and this is this the greatest team ever. Sometimes I can only argue one side. Colfax I am. I am a thirty-three-year-old Dude. So I didn't watch Alex English but I grew up with Alex. English stuff all over my. My Dad always collected clippings from newspapers of of Great Nuggets and stories and post them all around in his office. Love that because you walk around and you get a look at oh. English goes off for thirty eight points. A must win game for the night and you see that kind of stuff. You get to see a win in. Daniel was coach when he was a player then when he was a coach so yeah I grew up with that. My brother was a huge Alex. English fan had an Alex English Jersey. I still have it in my possession. I can't fit into it anymore but I have in my possession and so no I understand the greatness no question about it but from what I saw and let me let me just make this point. Okay Colfax I was trying to make this during the break. We're talking about when Alex English the year before Alex English joined the Denver Nuggets. He joined in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine nineteen eighty the year before that. No Alex English. The nuggets were forty seven and thirty five. They lost the first round of the playoffs. The Lakers the year before that there were forty eight and thirty four. They won the first round of the playoffs the year before that they were fifty and thirty two lost conference semifinals. Alex English is First Years Denver Nugget. They went thirty and fifty two no playoffs second year. Thirty seven forty forty five. No playoffs Carmelo Anthony when he joined this team in two thousand three the year before the before mellow got the nuggets nuggets were seventeen and sixty five the next year mellows rookie year forty. Three and thirty nine made it to the playoffs. That's my point about Carmelo Anthony. He took a seventeen win team the year before that twenty seven win team a team. That had not been over five hundred since boy. You gotta go way since one thousand nine hundred nineteen eighty nine hundred ninety. I guess when they had to run a team that not been over five hundred since then. So that's what I'm saying. Carmelo Anthony took team from the depths a team that was absolutely awful a laughing stock of the NBA and rescued them. That's my point. That's my point about Carmelo Anthony. The nuggets were actually a better team before English. Got There and they were bad at the first couple years mellow change the trajectory for a long long time for the nuggets. We'll talk more on the other side.

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Seth Partnow on DEN/UTA Game 6; BOS/TOR Game 1; LAC/DAL Game 6

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Seth Partnow on DEN/UTA Game 6; BOS/TOR Game 1; LAC/DAL Game 6

"Hey, this is Jill from the container store. Oh is there something wrong? I just thought a virtual designer would be a cool robot. I could do a robot voice if that helps maybe high I am jail let's diesel absolutely not regular voice. Thank you. Yeah. I'm not good at impressions. Enjoy free virtual in-home closet designed and up to twenty five percent off closet systems, containers, doors, custom closet sale, the container store where space comes from. Welcome onto a special dunk with Danny taking a vacation that he foolishly scheduled for the end of August not knowing that there would be NBA basketball. At this time, we're a pinch hitter south park out from the athletic what's up man? How's it going? Thanks for having me I am pleased and honored to fill those shoes. Awesome it I I figured if there's anyone else who's nerdy enough to just spend an hour talking about three games that just happened you're the first person to call on my list here. So let's just get right into it here with Denver and Utah and I think where I want to start is just I tweeted this during the game, I can't remember another series overall series with all the teams, all the players in which there is in this kind of shooting can you remember another series like us? No, and it stands out I mean the shotmaking across the entire bubble and then kind of heading into the first round of the playoffs even has been has been. Then this is just another level above that of it in terms of guys taking the shots, the guys are. And then they they're they're making I saw someone I think it was KP tweeted during the game that that whether it was that that that three on one pull up three that that Murray hit towards the end whether it was more ridiculous than that. He made it or that as he took it, everyone's like, yeah, go ahead. That's a good look. No I mean he and Mitchell have been the two most records will focus in a little bit in a second but I mean this is again bowl teams were basically fifty percent from three once more and you know Jeremy Grant Yokich shot it really while he's the three percent three point shooter. In case you forgot on the over the course of the year and I do have an explanation on why shooting a better as it is significant enough that we can stop dismissing it as random noise. Do you think it's just the same arena and the fact that the you don't have this cavernous space behind the bucket of what do you make of it? I think there's Probably a confluence of several factors. I certainly think that the kind of same arena. Which I was I was really mad when I saw someone else bring that that that thought up at Mike. Prado brought up and I was like, Oh why didn't I think of that? That's that's so obvious I think that's a big one. I think the no travel even with days between games I think. That probably is saving guys legs I imagined that that players are getting better sleep be without without the travel on at that that can't hurt. From from a percentage standpoint, I think the fact that that foul rates on jumpers are up little higher in have been kind of the entire bubble probably bumps up the percentage a little bit just because you know you get fouled and you mrs shot it doesn't count as a mess and yeah, the shooting background probably plays into it also. So I think that it, it's a little of all of those probably rolled together, and then you know catching some some positive variants and then that's that's maybe building on itself and in a little dollop of high hand theory and and guys making their he checks, and here we are and it doesn't seem to me. Now I guess I'll say this I think in the first three games particularly for Utah, it seemed like guys are way more open and they were just user just absolute like dare you three-pointers except you know if these are forty percent three pointers during shoot it. I think Denver though these are guys aren't great shooters who are hitting ad I've just a do you think the Cazar more open I mean I we don't have access to the tracking data to confirm that it didn't seem though like they're particularly more open at least to be we do have access to the tracking dead and no one has tweeted that you think that they would. So yeah, I mean it's gotta be some conflicts of all those things you mentioned yet. No I've I've with you know sources with access to what kind of check from time to time and the changing overall shot quality. Between kind of pre bubble and bubble has been negligible So I I I don't think that that's it agree with you that at the start of this series of Utah was definitely getting certainly games two and three I think Utah was getting anything they wanted really off of some pre simple actions and I know we're going to get into adjustments that that the Denver's made but it seems like they have gotten away from that a little bit and now. It's just Mitchell tossing tossing in contempt contested pull ups with guys in his face. Yeah which you know he's done a pretty good job up your. He was nine to thirteen from three But sorry, that's actually not good enough because mammary was not at twelve from three in this game and had fifty points and by the way Dan Feldman looked this up what I suggested it to him. There have now been more fifty point games in this series than they've ever been. In one playoffs the record was three in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, two, and two, thousand one. I. Think. So that's been absolutely crazy as well but much has been this fantastic offense from Denver Ed Murray actually competing defensively has changed things. So I wanted to ask you what have you seen to explain Denver. All of a sudden like getting their shit together defensively in this last game and a half or so. So I think part of it is the lineup adjustment I think. I'll say this for Michael. Porter Jr. he has he has he has made efforts defensively. He is just still kind of lost and that's every game that he started Utah just run every action at him to start the game and put Denver kind of in a bad way just to start a game and without that kind of obvious. Weak point the haven't known where to go as much and i. kind of think that that Utah has should still be going to the stuff that worked well against porter anytime they run like hand off or pick and roll where it gets the ball to ingles or Conley going to their left's it just sees part and they've had you know great great stuff whether it's skip pass to the opposite corner whether it's hitting go bear on the role whether it's it's the the driver getting the lane and finishing and they ran that once or twice. To start the game tonight and I can't remember them going back to it again over the entire course of the game, and that's that's simple action. The Denver has just like struggled regardless of personnel to cover all series. Yeah, I thought they did a little better job on the ingles go pick and roll but you're right. They went away from that in this game and I thought Denver, they started off with Yokich back. AM THAT DIDN'T Work Utah scored like sixteen points on Mike Their first ten possessions or something like that, and then they start bring Yokich. Further up towards level the ball. But maybe that works better now when you've got grant and MILLSAP together in the starting lineup on the back line, and so Utah really went away from the pick and roll entirely it was really surprising. Go bear was no longer involved and they tried to do a lot of switching and they still you know this wasn't an offense of loss for Utah but hey, what one eighteen offensive rating for Utah that's like getting shut down in this series I think the biggest thing is been. Yeah. They're still giving up the threes. Utah's make them at a crazy rate, but they're not letting Utah just score completely unmolested inside anymore they are really they changed up I thought to take away the rim and was leaving Yokich back whether that's grant and mill savoir thought were both really good as helped defenders in this game, taking away the rim that they at least have something now, and you know there's also the thing that you really enjoy talking about, which is like actually executing better at the stuff you're supposed to be doing to begin with. Yeah, I think that's right. I think A. Especially Games like tonight where he is, he is not just hitting, but his is willingly taking a kind of break threes grant at small forward. I think that's a that's a very interesting defensive piece for for Denver and I think you're right that that has a lot to do with why they've been somewhat stingier in the paint and certainly something we saw a lot early in the series was was Utah's bigs whether it was it go bearer or twenty Bradley kind of making or or even even Jon. Morgan. kind of making plays out of like a like a short roll or on the role and it seems like. We're just not even seeing them get the ball in in those situations anymore and when they are, but it's you know Yokich is back and leaning on him and and another whether millsaps or grant kind of flying in from the backside to contest. So even those inside shots are as you say, less less free money than they were kind of early in earlier games in the series. Yeah. They put more pressure on go bear. He's struggled to finish the last couple of games just the overall pressure level, the guys who are on the ball competing more. Not just getting completely screened out of the play you haven't you've seen just more hands in the passing lanes will just a little more pressure. So it's not Gobert just getting the ball at the free throw line with just a free run in on a four on three that pass to the roll man has been more difficult I think they actually meant you WanNa consider doing a little more shorting of the pick and roll to try to get the angle because Denver's doing a better job there it's really just been yet. They've changed up a few things. And they're taking away the rim they're they're saying at least we're not going get beat there but overall, guys just play harder Gary Harris coming back just giving them another option of competence. So it wasn't Monte Morris or Puerto both of them have gotten scorched and then I think also kinda fallen in love with their ability to hit shots as well and. Their process has been is good I think that's that's that's legitimately a big part of it. I. Think there's you're seeing a lot of possessions where they run an action and then Mitchell triples backout to to half court and you know goes goes one on one and he's even Conley was doing it. Yeah. When when he was the main guy and obviously when It when Jordan Clarkson is prominently involved, you're going to get some of that also and I think that's that is You know when Utah's been at their best series they've they've they've used subside decide bomb motion to kind of get whatever they want get some drives on kind of the backside you know a a attacking a Denver's closeouts and they're just not putting themselves in those positions as much I think you know the the I think you're. Right, in terms of their while we're making the shot, so I can get that shot anytime I want. So let me find that shot instead of like you said, instead of working the process that was that was working so well for the first four games of the series. So a any major adjustments that you would have a for either team going into a game seven here I'm glad we're getting at least one game seven here in the first round. Yeah, I think I would you know just continue to to probably put more pressure on Murray in the pick and roll maybe for some to his to his weekend a little bit more What whether that means you know Yokich is not a player who's going to he's going to make a play out of a short roll if he trapped, but he's not gonNA rumbled on the lane and finish with great aplomb. So yeah, I don't I don't know about that one man because that's getting go really far from the hoop and they have no one else to protect the rem I. I would be very wary of that. Personally I'd. Say this -essarily, Ikea, a blitz of a full blitz but more of a of a show up to the level just to to give the the the ball handler defender who I think has to do a better job of of staying connected time to kind of to kind of recover and you know at a certain point a certain point. There's maybe UK if he's going to, he's going to keep it in those shots. You a little bit of tip your cap, but and and not completely sacrifice your your whole defensive concept to sell out to you know to stop that. But I think that they could improve their point of attacked if defense a little bit whether it's the the whether it's Murray's defender getting over better or go bear you know meeting up meeting up a little higher or a combination of both. Yeah. Well, they've gone to pick and rolls that haven't involved go bear and Yokich at all. That was what killed him at the game. One kind of gone away from those a little bit involving the four-man. More, that was the big adjustment in at the end of game five and Murray basically unless it's Roy. So Neil like he's just cooking guys one on one at this point too. So I would you think of just sending like another small to go double team and get the ball out of his hands maybe not at the start but if he really gets going he, you did at times in this game I mean, it's hard for me. You know he's he's reached that level in this series. It's hard for me to think of Jamal Murray is a guy need to double half court, but you know He's got to fifty point games in the series. So maybe he's a guy to double court. Well, when he gets star I think particularly when he gets started on one of these Jamal Maria scored the last ten points maybe you could send that double team just periodically. So it's like maybe he's only scored the last four points for the nuggets right and then you throw that. In on occasion particularly with some of the I would say even with the starting unit more so you might try to find a way to do that. Gobert was a good guy zone up beyond the play and yeah, you know that's GonNa. Let yokich get going. They can attack some four on threes but you know they had a one thirty defensive rating in this game so. Basically. Whatever you're going to do to get the ball out of his hands they're not going to score as well as what he did when he had it in this game all alternatively I mean maybe the answer is let him cook and I think that they can probably do well to give up a few fewer dare shots to some of those some of the other guys like, yeah, you're not you're not. Afraid of Jeremy. Grants but if you're leaving Jeremy Grant wide open, he'll shoot it and he's shot open threes well this year. So the key there is being close enough that it's not an open three and then you know if Jeremy Grant is going to be you know attacking the clothes out from the angle or something like that I think you probably rather that be Denver's offense right now so I think. Maybe being a little more attentive to to the other guys might soften the blow. So okay. If if Murray's going off, it's not him and then he passes in the next guy's a wider banging, a wide open three two. So you take one, take one or the other away instead they're they're kind of doing neither. Yeah, it seems that way the crazy thing about it I mean do you agree with me like Yokich is shot while the series on jumpers but like he's basically like been shut down by Gobert other than jump shots. Yeah, this I wrote about this last week and and because the ball has been in Murray's handsome much like like Yokich has been has been relegated almost to appear like spacer. All I mean, can you like the theory is maybe well, we'll pull go away from the basket, but that really hasn't happened so far he's been as much of a rim deterrent as he always is on Yeah Yokich is made some shots, but it's kind of taken away on his playmaking now with Murray playing as well as it has been Not as much tonight because he had some, he had a few turnovers. Oh but how well he's taken care of the ball to that has been a kind of a huge boon for Denver. Losing Yoga's playmaking, but Murray is basically you know filled that void. incompetently. The other adjustment I would make for the jazz is when they are attacking with these perimeter pick and rolls rather than go bear that they need to go right away at whoever's switching onto them like they've been doing this back it out let everyone gets set again where they really had success particularly attacking Puerto was just go right at him immediately as soon as the switch occurs don't let everyone get comfortable and get two boxes, elbows and be ready to help and all that just like go run it right down his throat, and then you also have the advantage of Yokich is your rim-protector in that situation if you can get past that. First Guy Yokich is not competitor and he's been better he's been you know just bad defensively these last two games as opposed to like one of the worst defensive center performances I've ever seen in which in the playoffs in the first three games. So that's something I look at all the other thing I might do if Denver is going to continue getting Yokich further out on the floor is more double pick and rolls. It's much harder to get that. We Saw Dallas use that against the clippers to it's much harder to get that trap when either two screens for the guy guarding the ball handler, and then you can kind of get Yokich out in. Space and a split, the the screener. Koran. That Second Guy Damian Lillard will do that a lot as well. So those those are like some and I mentioned shorting the pick and roll too. But I do think just generally going back to getting Bayer involved setting some screens is they really need to try more. Yeah. Just just anything to get the ball kind of going downhill at an angle like Denver does not do a good job of keeping the ball moving east west out of out of actions that our team runs and so when it's moving north south then especially again I've just I don't want to harp on this but especially, like Conley and England's going to their left hand. It just opens the whole floor up because both of them can can have such a wide array of of passes. They can make going to their strong in that way and and it was something that was you know very, not just effective but aesthetically pleasing for the first couple of games and it's just it's vanished and I kind of wanted back as a as a viewer anything you do for either coach in terms of playing time I was There's there's been a lot of George Neon near the end I. Think you know you're you're getting cooked anyway. So maybe having joined goes on the floor is you know? He's at least you know enormous. So maybe he can get get his hand on a on a ball here and there, but they're they're kind of missing his his shooting a little bit in some of the in some of these lineups I I think that's that's the big one for Utah. Denver's in a weird spot because what he did with Gary hairs right now I would start him I would start them. Right to start them. Okay I I mean because Monty Morris gets taken advantage of a lot. I mean it may be Harris just isn't ready I mean he was plus sixteen I thought even you know moving at seventy five percent offense he's still is easily their perimeter defenders tonight, even close like he's he's the only guy in this team to get over a screen and six game chair and he did it in this and even just his understanding as a help defender as well to just shrink the floor when they're going after reporter like he had like a nice dig down off of Neang to Strip Clarkson, for example, like he just as. The defense of mindset like he knows what he's doing out there they just to have one more guy in the primer who can do that and is it going to get taken advantage of physically the way Morris's I thought would be big if he if they feel like he can handle it, I would put him out there particularly because you don't WanNa start this game out way down right so who? Who Do you think loses out there you think more Morris those of Nina play twenty five minutes. Yeah. I think it just at the expense of Craig and Morris it just to get him now we'll see whether Gary Harrison shot which was broke even before this is comes around but they're not gonNa just like Gary Harris, shoot it like he has enough of a rep as a shooter I think. For the Jazz I, agree with you man were Utah's backup bigs just atrocious in this game go bear to play forty two minutes. Yeah. That's it's I know before the season they had they had some hopes Fred Davis, and it just it it kind of turned out that that the things he's good at are just not as useful anymore and he his he may not be good at those things anymore. Yeah and and and exactly, and you know you could do they started undrafted rookie. You know earlier here in Morgan so that and Tony Bradley's had some moments. But yeah, he's especially with with Denver's offense going the way it's going he's he's not ready to play at this level. Yeah, and I mean they ran the same hand off play twice in a row to get Marie going downhill at him and they got a foul and an easy layup. Quin like I've had enough hug with Morgan and then Morgan couldn't do anything either. So it was that was pretty rough. So and I mean the in this game seven to imagine you know Mike Conley's. been at thirty four minutes. You imagine they'll bump that up a little bit even Mitchell only played forty in this game ingles thirty I, mean it's GonNa be all hands on deck and hopefully, they won't have to play these guys too much Gobert foul trouble could loom large. That wasn't an issue in this game of anything else that stuck out to you about this one before we move on interested to see how much they put they they they put Conley on. Murray. That's Devon tried that at all I think they're worried that Murray is just gonNa knock him backwards create the space shoot right over him but they don't have many objects. Done. Okay. I think I mean the thing we're talking about again is in in those and this is something that the Denver has been much more phidias about keeping with is even when Murray is going into this one on one play, it's off of some kind of whether it's you know a drag screen or or or door horns action or something they're doing something to get him into some sort of movement and in that is kind of creating the little bit of initial separation and I think Mike Conley. Is still pretty good at navigating those situations. So maybe even if once it gets into that one on one situation like Murray, my still have an advantage that's less advantaged than Murray coming off coming off with the guy already on his hip, and then he gets that step back game or gets all the way to the rim or or what have you So I think that I would at least want to see that I was looking up and there's the game three was the only only game where. You know even even four percent of the time that that Moore offense he was guarded by Conley. Yeah like Jordan Clarkson is guarded him basically as much as Conley has the series. Yeah I mean, it can't be any worse while. But it hasn't ended Welford anyone else I mean I think particularly when Roy so neil is not in the game guard Murray because Murray is GonNa play forty four minutes in this next game and Royce O.`Neil isn't GonNa play that many minutes. That's when I would think seriously about some of those like two guards just double team and make him give the ball up but let's shift out to the first game of the day, which was Boston and. Toronto you predicted Danny's podcasts that this would be a close back and forth series in terms of but that we could see a lot of blow outs that obviously is what happened. Boston hits four, their first five threes, and really it was never within contacting Toronto. Got It back within thirteen at one point late in the third or early fourth, but they never particularly threatened at all. There was one moment where Toronto is down twelve a gotta rebound lowery pushed it. And kind of got a little ahead of himself in like realized she was getting team. It was about to lose the ball jumped in the air and threw a pass back towards half court where he's expecting his three hundred to be running and none of them are running, and there's a turnover and Boston immediately comes down and bangs at three and they miss again in Boston comes back down and gets. An an one and then suddenly it's eighteen in the game's over There's that one moment kind of were lowery had a little bit of a burst where he started to get downhill a few times actually created some good stuff for Toronto's offense. But aside, from that, I think a lot of what we worried about in terms of Toronto's inability to attack defense I think really showed itself especially in. The first quarter. So Boston was seventeen at thirty, nine from three Toronto was ten out of forty. We always liked to talk here. It's just shooting lock is that the case here was this just simply a matter of Boston making more threes or is do you think no like Boston severely outplayed them at the end up winning by eighteen twelve, ninety, four, I think having looked into some of this A. Little bit is instead this game was early to head a little bit of time to do it I. Think what we're GONNA we're going to look at it and see is lasts that the second to fourth quarters were probably played relatively easily with Boston just making having better shot making I think the first quarter was was pretty dominant from from the Celtics especially defensively, and so even if that that kind. Of shotmaking head had been been, you know is over the rest of the game I think that like that's where they won the game anyway. So maybe the margin is not as as you know lopsided with with more normal shotmaking like a little bit of shotmaking regression but I don't think this is not a this was not a you know a a no way game for for for Toronto. Where if they if they make those shots that like, Toronto didn't you know put themselves in a situation to be down big after the first quarter and didn't really do anything to get back in the game after that the big number seventy, seven offense of reading in the half court cleaning glass by Toronto and Boston one. Oh, four up and effort which actually is fantastic. Just half court possessions And you a big theme was that they had to keep trying to out of transition they did that but according to cleaning the Glass Toronto added four points in their transitioned Boston actually was terrible in transition in the so Toronto was decent enough in transition but not dominating the way they are usually during the regular season I thought Boston did a good job most of the time when Rob Williams was. In there. They lost disciplined a little bit that that big man loading to the ball getting back being ready like that's a big part of what they're doing Yeah. It's the same got. No just say that taste is so important a series like he he I thought. Robin. Williams said really well today but just of of the way Boston wants to play defense and the fact that Toronto doesn't really have. He's he's sort of a weird matchup for for some teams from Boston standpoint Toronto is not one of those teams because I don't think. Ghazal or a Baca is really going to manhandle him on the the way that that that some might you know not to look ahead to series but for example, like he's not stout enough to to stand up to Janas for example, but but you know that obviously Toronto does not present that Kinda far back that kind of problem. So this is what I looked at going back to the three point shooting question Boston was ten out of thirteen at one point they missed a couple in garbage time but ten out of thirteen on corner threes and Toronto was two out of six and yes, they're not. GonNa, shoot that ridiculous percentage. But to generate that many corner threes compared to the ones that Toronto was generating and Toronto's a bunch of their threes or above the break eight out of thirty four and I thought that many of them were pretty harried and Boston does have this history of teams shooting worse from three against them. We don't need to get into that whole debate over whether that's a skill that they have is a defense or not but it did seem to me that a lot of these Toronto threes were kind of on the move not like just awesome shots necessarily and I thought A. Lot of Boston shut those corner threes mean those are all wide open. They did a nice job of driving in activating that Toronto Defense as a further point just generally has a lot of different looks they can do defensively but generally, they were kind of the mini bucks model of taking away the rim and giving up a lot of threes and Boston they've got a lot of guys who wanNA shoot threes and they don't really get all the way to the rim that much. So at least for this game and I'm sure that raptors will have adjustments coming Boston really the way they wanted to play offense. Worked against the the raptors and then the bigger problem though is that the raptors really could not generate to on the ball situations that often and that was one of the big issues yet we thought coming in. No, I think I think that that's you can. You can look at Toronto's defense but there's been other games in the place where we've seen where teams may be gotten. You know had a big number hung on him. I think that not that we're going to get to it but the Oklahoma the last thunder rockets game I felt the same way that it wasn't that it wasn't. You know the the thunder's defense. Then this game, the raptors defense, it wasn't great but that's not why they lost. The reason they lost the as you said is, is they just did could not win one on one scenario and they couldn't they didn't find a way to scheme any any as you say, he situations where or Boston had to commit to the ball and so you end up a lot of situations where Siaka is is having to post up through you know traffic or or Vanfleet is having to create against the larger defender and as good as those guys are. That's not leaning into their strengths. Yeah. I mean, what did you think Siachen game overall so I actually It's interesting. I got I got a text from a coach friend of mine during the game noting that every time he posted up they were they were he would post up on the left block and they would just show him middle like dare him to turn over rate shoulder and a he got nothing from that all game whether he was, you know had a theoretical advantage in the post or whatever it just they were knocked. Then let him get back to like his left shoulder for a drop step or a jump hooker turnaround or anything like that. Yeah. Because he's got that nice touch off the glass basically like a along the lane line and. I thought he got good looks against Jaylen Brown in the Post that was the initial matchup with it was very interesting. I wondered if Stevens is a quick non sequitur but I wonder if Stevens was just like, Hey, we're going to avoid getting cross mashed in transition. So just guard whoever's guarding you I the other end like I think they started that way at least I don't know if that was the thought of just like we we're not that scared of any of these guys. So just guard whoever's garden you and We'll just make sure that we're matched up in transition but I thought he was able to get good looks against Brownie missed a couple early then got into foul trouble smart I thought did a little bit better. He's GonNa try like get underneath them take charges, and then the brick should house. I. Thought he had no chance posting up on him that's delay pathway. Yeah. No just just note the foul trouble I do I do want to commend Nick Nurse I. Do I do enjoy when a coach is like Hey My Guy has my my best. One of my best few players has a couple thousand. He's not a high foul guy So we're GONNA foul trouble. And you know the ended up not mattering because they ended up getting blown out today, but it's not like you can't save him he he had three thousand the first quarter in didn't pick up his fourth foul till early in the fourth quarter if I remember correctly and yeah nurse played him basically his normal normal minute load through through there. So I I do WanNa come in that I think that's that is yeah that is good process But usually when you're doubt Yeah Jerky when you're down like I, mean there's no tomorrow at that point like what are you saving for you get? Back, into the game before you can get right end of the great. Yeah. You're already in a situation where the crunch time that you're saving guy for is unlikely and becomes increasingly less. So if you if you have your, you know your all star players sitting next to you on the bench who did you think was the best player in this game I have an answer but I hear what yours is use a tatum yeah. Yeah. Are you gonNA say Cambe album not gonNA I was GONNA say yeah I mean they they were. They were the two best players on the floor well. You know tatum feet finish nine out of eighteen in the rough start to it. I thought But then he was able to find some space in the mid range like us attacking Kosolapov sold did a pretty good job defending at at at the rim but I thought the reason I said Kappa was the tennis and he was the guy to me the one guy on either team who was really changing the defensive scheme like they had. To, get their ball handlers way up towards level of the screen and he was able to get penetration, get downhill and force double teams, and then kick out to open. Cheers. He set up a number of those corner threes for instance. So he was the one guy who I felt like date. He really made the raptors defense react in a way that no one else was able to cause in this game but tatum was great too. There are a few. There are few situations tatum kind of came off a screen and walked into three and and maybe the defense didn't react but. The should. So. So I think the lack of reaction is not to knock on tatum rather than it's a a breakdown from from from the rafters. So you know I thought Oh gee, did a good job on him when he was on him, they started they started with lowry on and then they went to Ojeda I thought tatum was not able to get much when OJI was out of it was mostly off switches mismatches. That's fair An Amino remains completely impossible to isolate against like even tatum I felt like really is just not able to get good looks meal out change later in the series no, that's fair and and really I'm, I'm more thinking of tatum just again operate in. The same way that that that Walker does is kind of coming off that angle pick and roll, and then you have you you you you can't just let them walk into a three. So you got to do something else and tatum especially is gotten. So crafty he had he had that one gorgeous eurostep where he can have you know lean to his left and hung in the air and banked it off the glass and and and and on the broadcast they made a big deal about about how you know earlier in his career. He would have settled for you know a leaning ten footer, but he took the one extra dribble to get all the way to the. Rim with that, it's those kind of things that are really you know separating him as an offensive player. Yeah. I got a few more just kind of non sequitur observations feel free to break in in response to some of these I thought Kemba was really good defensively within his his limitations. So he took that charge on Siaka he was fighting actually like protected the room without falling a couple times on vanfleet and lowry early in the game. Stola back door pass that looked like it was open like I. Thought he really competed hard at a lot of credit for that at his is not known as a defensive player of them. I thought that Boston really has the. Advantage with their starting group out there, and when they have to go to the bench doesn't look as good particularly multiple bench players and when I say the starting group, I really mean the four perimeter guys that start with hayward out when they have all four of those guys on the floor their communication is so seemless. They can start to break down for them a little bit on both ends when they go to to some of these bench guys So how many minutes those guys are GonNa play an all play together because Nick is definitely gonNA play his main guys more minutes than Brad Stevens is until he's at least until they four Stevens to do that. I kind of in this series, I would almost include Thais with that also, I, know y'all again, Williams was really good today today. Yeah. No, it could easily go sideways also was exhausted after playing like four minutes in a row. They got a cycle him out faster I think like towards the end of the first in particular he was just suck in wind. Yeah. Maybe. It's your guide grant. Williams, that can get a little time at center. I'm always here for more grant. Time. Toronto needs to do more to get lowry in getting downhill a little bit I think yeah. He's got the just because when he gets in those situations, he does have that ability to fling himself into guys and griffiths free throws. That's just such a joy to watch. At like aesthetics aside like it works it works. That's why that's why it annoys me apart. and. You know Siaka is is going to at least on today's evidence is going to struggle to create advantages in. Situations and that's sort of always been the worry about about. Vanfleet. You know looking towards you know whatever whatever happens with him this off season is you know? He's he's an excellent player who is going to be as highly hood of being miscast in a more leading role. Shall we say so it's it's it's going to be you know same as it ever was on lowery to kind of be the guy be the tip of the spear a little bit and I think they need to do more that they. Had one kind of stretch in the third quarter where he he he came off pick and rolls hard and got into the paint several several times and that she needs to happen more that you could tell though that Boston both particularly him it was show your hands if you are guarding Kyle lowry and he tries to drive and we are going. To make him finish it through I noted the difference between you know it was the second unit guys who Larry was getting alive. He got like three fouls like right at the end of the third early for the missed a couple of free throws which was critical as they tried to build a comeback, but you can tell they're like, no, we are. Not Giving up these BS spousal lower. We're GONNA make him actually finish at the Rim and you know he struggled to do that in this one. Yeah. Another thing for Toronto is marcus souls gotta be willing to shoot the ball. Yeah. for from three and particularly thanks very in particular. Yeah I. You know I can say that that was A. You know he last year's in the conference. Finals. of We started guarding him or using his mankind of freely as a helper and pick and roll and first couple of games that series he would be took couple made a couple but it it did seemed like starting later in the series like, okay. Every time I, catch it I'm GONNA shoot if there's no guarding me and you know he's he has to do that if they're going to. He doesn't want to go to just like ping it around the perimeter. He doesn't want to but he's a good enough shooter that he's got to shoot it. He just has to they need him too. Yeah. He was actually more aggressive around the rim in this game which I appreciate it I mean you noticed in Boston was just so locked in on the tendencies for try you mentioned the Siachen thing I forget who it was guarding him in the Post Gazelle knowing that he on the Left Block, he loves to get middle for that Hook shot and doesn't really like to go baseline and they they were so concerned with not letting them get middle that finally he had to take the base on he actually made the layup, but it was kind of awkward but I thought just the. Coaching from Boston and what they do just avoiding some of the usual mistakes I talked about that. As one of the big things you have to avoid making mistakes against US raptors offense, and if you can do that and actually make them beat you that you can be in a pretty good place in that they did that today for sure. Yeah and then obviously, and this is why when I You know I think you agree with me on on what I said on Danny show is that there's this is a series where where like in game the momentum is going to be pretty big and so starting off better defensively for them, get get them get themselves some Some easy looks just entrance of some the the one thing I disagree with you on I'm not sure this raptors team can blow out the Celtics I. Just don't know if they can score unless they're just going to get. A crap ton at turnovers but they actually forced twenty two turnovers in this game low key that's gonNA improve you would think for Boston. So even if they shoot worse from three day at least will have more chances at it. any other cricketers on this game not I don't think so I think again it's it's I it is. This is one of those games because it was so seemed. So emphatic that you just have to remind yourself that game too was starting zero zero and. Especially, as we get later in the playoffs, kind of these early series blowouts are have less of an indicator as they might be earlier in the playoffs where you know there's more kind of obvious mismatches and talents where yeah of course they bloom out because they're much better whereas these are pretty evenly matched teams and this just kind of happens fairmount in the playoffs I, I had a couple more notes Toronto Played Gulick together early in the second quarter perhaps due to Siaka having three fouls owls I thought that lineup actually looked pretty decent. they went to a two three zone a lot of the time when they had those guys in there and I particularly against some of these Boston backup units like grant Williams was out there during that period that might not shoot it as well. I would consider maybe trying to steal. So minutes with those two guys and really just completely barricading everything with the height of at least give that a look those that was a unit that they went to against Philli last year and it worked. Okay. So those guys have played together before you. Can Get away with with guarding Jaylen Brown's Baca Orleans. That's part of why you with his own there in that group well, no, but let me ask you another way. Do you think you can? Oh Yeah. Yeah, man do you think you can bait Jalen Brown into a he like jalen Brown was a little trigger. Happy Today. Do you think you can beat him into that a little bit more if you show him well search bacchus guarding you and I don't think that's a that's not a great matchup for Toronto. But I think I would rather Jalen Brown working that matchup than Kim Bo or tatum kind of coming up coming off the pick and roll. Yeah. It's probably rare that they would be. Forced into that because EPOCA and get sold together going against their starters probably not gonNA happen that much and Brown also cooked Horford who kind of a similar defender to balk at this point I might be better than him. So I I think if they just really can't stop the Celtics maybe I consider that but I not a huge fan of that one. Well, certainly part of it is is is also because of you like you know Brown acidic enough to get himself in trouble and so. That is a way that you know you can actually generate some pace the other way off some of those kind of questionable shot at temps. Yeah. For for submits layups. which are easy to run off of I thought that the Celtics particularly late in the clock had some good success with tatum pick and POPs with Walker Inc particularly at the end of games I might consider to going with that tatum slipping the screen because they did a really good job. I thought it making tatum's catches difficult like when they run that series where they can start with tatum at the free throw line he runs a little iverson cut to the weighing like they were forcing him to catch that further out on the floor where he wasn't as comfortable as that's a way. To kind of get tatum a little bit of an advantage to attack particularly, if og is guarding him, kind of doesn't really WanNa leave him that much so that that's what I'd like to see more from Boston. Yeah. He'd he did get one or two pretty pretty easy catches effort for good looks at three off of you know not even really almost more of a cross than even like a pick and pop like he the yeah. It's like you say he's he's not really saying sending back. He's not really slipping to the rim either just kind of waving at the defender and running to the. Opposite wing in and Kim was kind of reversing the bottom right away. But both defenders Kinda stick with them for just that be and I thought they got like like you said I think they got a couple of of good looks off of that and two more things I would say walker had you know looked like he kinda reinjured his knee on a euro and transition and but looked fine after that. But that's something to watch. Yeah. Maybe because he's had issues with that that left knee and I at one more thing Oprah wanamaker I thought looked really good in the bubble just overall. He's really sped up his release used to four from three like no, dip it all now, which I didn't remember like he's really like made himself into a better spot up shooter and he was he was totally adequate and he's a tough defensive guard, and then you can get away with playing him. 'CAUSE Toronto plays to small guards as well. So I thought he gave them a lot in this game. Yeah. Like you said, it's good good series for him. Good matchup for him. A Holy Shit were fifty minutes and I. We go a little quicker on Dallas Dallas Clippers though here I think Use It on twitter but feel free to elaborate here that this just seemed like a series where one team figured the other one out. Yeah. especially with no, no porzingus. Dallas just kind of kind of ran out of ideas we talked earlier about about. Rural. Sorry. My chair just broke but that's okay. Let's continue here. I have to it has like this piece that I periodically have to adjust like once a month because it gets loose and it just Okay. I felt starting to slip and I was like I up distract him I couldn't mute in time but I'm quite comfortable though. Don't worry. We're not. We're not editing this out either this you're getting the raw goods here live radio. I thought it was a cat attack, which is something we both share in our European. No. My cats are are a little more little more chill than yours. Okay. Let me see if any I'm not being stocked by feeling. No. So we talked earlier about you know how Utah was just sort of devolving into kind of five out and going one on one. I, think that with porzingas out really looked like that's where alison up way too much and you know Luca had a had had kind of one burst where he's good enough that kind of brought them back to six but it was just I. It's it's such a tough road to hoe just having guys spread out and him you know chasing down the teeth of a defense every time with nobody else who's really able to create anything and especially if with Tim Hardaway not playing. Great not having a ton of other guys that the defense is really keyed it on like, okay. I close out on on Mexico but if he shoots the three we we think we won that possession. Yeah. He was a little better in this game, but he struggled overall in this series. I mean to me I. Thought Kawai was just unbelievable again like he's with all the fireworks that we've had. If you wanted to ask me who looks like the best player in the NBA right now it's still quite Leonard to me is Robo Cop like this just like the catch the ball here I'm GonNa Stare at you until you put your hand down than sticking jumper in your face. and. They'll do it again and I'll do it again and Oh, you sent us off double at me. We'll swing swing and landed little in an open three and that was like they Dallas made that run to get it to six, and then from there, it was just utter devastation. In their next six possessions like the Clippers scored fourteen points just off of mid post ISOS for for Kawhi well, and the other thing that change there too was they took much hair out of the game and put into Peach Zoo bots. No, it's. Unusual. For him to get closing minutes but he was he was good and it and it has always been weird why they why they would never look at the music. He's a guy who has had good rim protection numbers for his his career and isn't you know he's he's obviously not super mobile, but he's not immobile especially against a team like Dallas where you know who are. You worried about seems like having him as a deterrent at the rim is is helpful well, because Luca could just get right to the basket when he's not in there and he really caused problems for Luca, hit a couple layups around him in this game but he definitely really makes them think about it and when Herald is in Luca can just parade in there and do. He's one of the best room protectors when he's in positioning in the NBA and I thought he was really good tonight and we'll see whether that changes in whatever the next series is but I think doc rivers he's trying to get herald back into things but negative nineteen fifteen minutes and he doesn't look as explosive as he had heralds been a really good player for them and I think there will be times that they can get back into it where his mobility and switching can help. A. Little bit more. But with Luka's ability to get to the basket finish, it was just a really bad match for Harrell particularly given, you know the basically taking a month off Do obvious reasons with his personal absence but he definitely has a ways to go to back to being the player. He was during the regular season Dallas broke out zone finally I thought it worked for a little bit in the second and third quarter when they kind of got back into it. Just, a particularly enabled them to play pope on which was good where they weren't getting pick and roll to death with somebody can kind of hang out around the rim little bit. He won his match up with Harrell, again so that he was plus sixteen and Seventeen minutes I thought that was a good adjustment from Carlisle but you know it was just way too much i. they tried to do something like those double drags against the clippers trapping. They also shot terribly from three eleven. Out of thirty seven, if they'd shot better, maybe it would have a little closer. But I I definitely agree everything was really really difficult for the mats in this one. Even if Luca had thirty eight points finished Smith, was their second leading score was sixteen and Hardaway had a miserable game on any other just general thoughts on that series at all. No I feel like we've maybe were a little robbed just pausing absence I. think that that become more than a little rock that becomes a very. Very intriguing series. I do think that that that. You know I don't want to make it sound like this is I'm praising them but I think that the that the mavericks at the Clippers definitely succeeded to some extent kind of getting in Lucas head now does it matter he had three eight on twenty eight shots and but you know just the amount of of kind of complaining he he was doing at every. Yeah. Every trip to the basket now he does that but it was it was. Accentuated and I think that he was he was operating at a kind of a higher RPM than the normal emotionally and you know is that worth getting? You know getting a guy kicked out for with what seemed like a pretty blatant cheap shot probably not but it also seemed like the clippers Def definitely made a point of being as abrasive. As possible kind of throughout the series and to some degree you have to say it was effective. I'm going to say that Marcus Morris doesn't have much control over whether he's Abrasive or not. Yeah but while. At the same time you. But that's the guy they traded for ghastly also like the clippers were very we've like they're they've had the most vocal bench in the lead up to the entire bubble and even amped it up know another another couple levels throughout this trout the just just. Chirpiness and Yeah Herald Beverly Marcus Morris like those those guys a do not have a lot of chill in them for a personality standpoint. But I mean, this is pretty impressive for the clippers. I. Thought that maybe without Morris, they could be in trouble because they would have to play Lou Williams and Reggie Jackson Reggie Jackson was actually I mean please negative five but he's been shooting the shit out of the ball from three, which is really helped and then I mean they did this essentially without to starters and this wasn't close in the end even saw granite demands didn't have porzingas either but I hear you on dodger I. Think he really You. There's that. Play in crunch time of game one where he was complaining to the routes and just gave up a wide open three to Marcus Morris because he was still complaining like you know he's got to cut that shit out. But at twenty one, he's got time to do that. Yeah. Just it just the kind of the luxury of the clippers have is, oh, we got okay Marcus Morris kicked out well, Jim Greens here. Yeah, and he was you know didn't have a huge stat line what he was they were plus twenty with him in the game I thought he was just having a we got a very important player kicked out but then we have another, you know very competent. Rotation player and every team in the playoffs guy that we can we can just go to to do roughly the same things That's a that's a luxury that that that they have like I was surprised that no point in the series of they ever like you know dust off Rodney mcgruder and try him on on. Yucca. They ended up like not really needing it but that's that's kind of the the depth and versatility of of this clippers rosters, Yeah Paul George, the redemption story looked like it was going to continue. He was great in the first quarter, but he finished with an ugly fifteen point six of nineteen five turnovers did have seven assists, which was was something, but maybe his struggles are not totally in the rear view mirror yet but we'll have a lot more time to talk about this clippers team after they roll through whoever they're playing next. Rhonda. In Five Games and I think that's all I got a on this series so Thanks so much for listening south. Thanks for joining us. 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Lakers vs. Nuggets Game One Predictions

Big Time Basketball

07:00 min | 4 months ago

Lakers vs. Nuggets Game One Predictions

"This is the scanlon bells podcast with NBA champion Brian scelo brainy informer, NBA General, manager, and Executive Ryan mcdonagh. Ryan mcdonagh back. With the hurons Colin, Powell's on radio DOT COM as I bring back in the store of our show. Brian scallop brainy upscale we only have six or seven minutes left in the show. So let's get right to it. That is a huge game tonight in the Western Conference game one between the La Lakers and Denver Nuggets, a rematch of the two thousand nine Western Conference finals to see who goes to the NBA finals. Obviously, the winner will play the Miami Heat or Boston Celtics for the NBA. Title. Scowl few injury notes from tonight's game that impact the Lakers dion waiters doubtful I don't think that's a huge issue played a significant role for them. In this year's playoffs of John Rondo is questionable with Max Baz we mentioned that on our show yesterday scale. That's something. We'll keep a close eye on leading up till game time scale. Who Do you like in the game tonight with Ron? rondos injury on the other side, we'll Barden is out for the nuggets as he has been the nuggets hopeful. There will come back at some point in this year's playoffs although the more time passes that looks less and less likely to he will return. SEATTLE. Who Do you like in tonight's game one with Rondo questionable in our friends at Bet rivers having the La Lakers as seven point favorites. So you think Lebron will be his staff that you got the MVP or will mope around that would determine my locker the day it's all about Lebron you you call it will the Bra you have to give me one or the other is going to be pissed or is going to. Be Like Oh man I can't believe this. He'll be pissed off. All right. I got locked day. Lakers super. SCOUSE lock the day. He don't want to Piss off the king he's going to be pissed he going to go for forty no. Mike Malone it's like, dammit. Lakers. Lebron, the Broncos pissed, and he wants to send a message to everybody in the world. He will do that and he will do it against the Denver Nuggets. And keep in mind Mike. Malone knows Lebron as well as anybody he coached him I think it was five years as an assistant with the Cleveland Cavaliers. There's a lot of mutual respect between those two guys Lebron talking about his admiration for Malone and. Vice versa upscale I think that's what makes Lebron. One of the all time greats we were just talking about Michael Jordan who anybody who watches the last Dance Watch Michael Jordan play at all during his career. Knows that anything that was even not even if it really wasn't a slight, he perceive it as a slight use it as motivation, and then seek out and destroy whoever it was either internally or externally scalise. Jordan was wired, which is why arguably the greatest player in the history of a basketball Lebron has a lot of that to scale from what I've seen in his past and his history I think it's kind of bad luck and bad timing for the nuggets. Tonight that this announcement you know happens seven or so hours before game time that you know now it's. It's been reported that it's not gonNA, be Lebron. James He's probably going to be the runner up it is going to be honest. So I think Lebron will use that as motivation however I'm going out eleven here on. Scallon Pals. I may be applying for an internship at the scale family farm if this does not work out but I'm GONNA, go with the Denver Nuggets. To cover the seven point spread tonight I don't know who's going to win I, think it'd be close I. Guess the Lakers, probably will win what I'm going to go with the nuggets to cover the seven point spread and in a surprise in a shocker I'm going out on a limb and saying the Denver Nuggets are going to win the western conference title and advanced to the NBA finals. Oh. I'm so is it the way that they're playing it Yokich? Is it like? Is it because Gary I what? What is it? That's making you do that. Maybe too much red wine last night but you know. I think. I think it's more. The fact that I've said it before I've waited the entire playoffs for the Lakers lack of depth to be exposed. It has not yet but a lot of that scale is due to the. Tremendous performances from Roseanne. Rondo and Alex Cruz coming off the bench for the Lakers, I'm not sure they can keep that up against against a deep talented nuggets team especially with Rondo being limited with back spasms. If he doesn't play tonight, I think the nuggets have a good chance to win if Rondos not able to play. So I just think without Avery Bradley now with that looks like the waiters would be out. He is doubtful maybe without region Rondo at some. Point the lack of talent in the back court for the Lakers is going to catch up with them and I think the Denver Nuggets have a lot of talent depth in the back court and the front. Court the million dollar question in the one that's extremely difficult to answer is, can they slowdown? Lebron James and Anthony Davis enough. To have a chance to win the series I personally think they can. I'll although I understand why most people feel the other way? Yeah I mean I just feel like. They're not going to be able to stop Lebron I feel like with the way that Denver plays defensively but listen I hope I'm wrong I want Denver Nuggets Win I liked the way they play and I love watching Yokich play but I just think Lebron's too much anti Davis is. A freak of nature you know. So he can match up. He's not mantras herald here like yoke is GonNa outscore anti. Davis. By forty nine points in thirty seven minutes when when he's on the floor with him so i. If Yo- if obviously it's just I, just don't think that matchup is great I I wonder do you think the Lakers? We'll play Dwight Howard and Javale McGee and this series or you think that they'll have to go small you think that those guys will be on Yokich because I feel like that's a huge disadvantage for the Lakers. Frank. Vogel said he would play those guys. They want small lot against the rockets as you know, match small for small that worked out very well for the Lakers winning the conference semifinals against the rockets and five Games Vogel is said now that he will go more traditional at least initially against the Denver Nuggets Yeah I feel like that's not gonNa work out for them I. Actually really think that you're gonNA put Lebron James on Yokich and that's GonNa Create A. Problem for them. Especially, if Lebron goes back, it's the rebound and now you're cross Mash and you've got to figure out how to do this. So I'm really curious to see how they're not that. They're going to start him and play the whole game like that. I just think that you'll see Lebron Yokich and be tough for. DENVER. But we'll see if the bronze pissed off they're going to win and I think they're going to win big. So that's why they play the Games but don't listen to me man I've been awful in the bubble. Awful. Scallon I. Both have the Celtics winning the eastern. Conference are down Oh two in that series he has the Lakers. Nuggets winning this series. A OF US has to be raised mathematically. One of us has to get it right. We'll see who it is for that we're out of time for today I join US late Sunday. Night we'll have a mini pod after game two. We'll talk about games one and two from the nuggets and Lakers. He is Bryant's brainy I am Ryan mcdonagh thanks for watching and listening to Scallon Pals on radio DOT com.

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The UnstoppaBulls, NBA Expansion, All-Disappointing Team

The Free Agents

1:07:35 hr | 2 weeks ago

The UnstoppaBulls, NBA Expansion, All-Disappointing Team

"So in tasting would we do is take a small amount right off the top. It doesn't take much. That's the warmest part right here. I'm going to invert the spoon. Cover all nine thousand taste but area warming up grabbing up that top note. That creamed puree vanilla sweeteners to ten good morning old and welcome to the no dogs. Podcast lennick network. Sorry that cool. The open got me giggling wednesday january. Sixth happy are minion christmas. To all my armenians out. I'm jay schemes rolling with steve. Kirby's favorite son and podcast or trey kerby. Oh we got the international man of mystery. Take it to max lille Really not least making the magic happen. It's jd hello. There isn't here we are. I know how that clip. It's so good. I don't know i stumbled upon it. It's really old obviously pose myself here to hit the open. I couldn't do it. Oh that's great. all right. Shut into the stream team. Please like comment and subscribe to know dunks on youtube. Our ambitious school to hit twenty five thousand subs by the end of the week. We're on our way so keep doing your thing. Keep sharing those videos email. Is your question. The comments to know dunks at the dot com. We'll be stepping on the beach later today on wednesday here three pm eastern live on youtube. Yeah we on back to back to back today. If you're counting doesn't video task is gonna join us for that one too. So we'll have the entire band back together on the beach. Boys getting together splash some sand readings in emails. You know we're going to be talking cream on the beach. Speaking of tassie. Make sure you check out this morning. What you need to know the little mini recap pod. The content kings right now are not messing around. We have tasks with the what you need to know and trae yesterday. You dropped your latest. Nba weekly recap video. That's up on youtube so highly. Recommend you check that out a lot of people. And i think the right saying well. 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And you can get that incredible deal all right. We got lots to talk about as always here on no dunks but perfectly. We had five games on last night. So we gotta do five games one thing and we're gonna we're gonna flip the order in terms of the way. We saw the games last night. Because we gotta go to. Tk he's pumped. He had a great tuesday. Which has bled into wednesday guy was up late last night. Trae kobe white scores. Twenty one and the bull's rally to beat the blazers won eleven one away. They were down twenty but they came back What's the big takeaway well skates. I only got one thing for you. The polls are hitting me win of the year the first twenty point comeback in the nba. This season i saw some highlights from the clippers versus the spurs. They're talking could they be the first team to pull off a twenty point comeback. No they can't but the bulls did as a crazy game. What a night. In the kirby household bowls blazoned on the deck owl's blazers on deck election results trickling in on the computer a luxurious matchup out there red and black both teams january five going down in history. But this was a weird one. I said the bulls gave up a twenty point. Lead thirty nine point eight three pointers in the first quarter. Blazers look like they on fire. It looked like it was going to be sad. Trey kerby coming in on the show today. But i had the faith skeets i said. Just stick around the comeback bulls. We'll take care of this. And somehow they did a billy donovan has gotten something. Out of zach levine. Feels a little bit different. He was out there over passing the ball in the first half of the game but kept getting teammates involved. This ended up being a really nice team win. The bulls had so many guys in double figures. They ended up with seven players in double figures. Everybody was doing something everybody was bored in. This was a fun game to watch like. I said the balls have this huge comeback being a dagger three under a minute left. I'm upstairs everybody else in the house asleep. I'm just jealous like this back in my arms against each other legendary stuff damian. Lillard basically didn't make a shot in the second half did make the one that was most important knockdown down that three from the right wing. The purest swish. You could ever hope to see if you're damian lillard but this was just was just exciting man. I was going nuts in the house. Thaddeus young plants small five otto porter thirteen rebounds including a huge rebound highlight under a minute. Skeets didn't even jump off the florida. Grab it. This was legendary stuff. If you are a bulls fan you look at being hired as an assistant coach by the trail. Blazers who say this was a revenge game. Where's your defense blazers. Can't stop the unstoppable four hundred ninety two finals three just called the bulls win in portland in early january legendary. Twice for excited piss. I marked down. I was like. I was getting ready to go to bed last night. I got. I got to write this down. I gotta remember january fifth. What a night. The election. The polls i was flying. I'm a little pissed with that bulls victory because this is what i saw in the bulls last year. Trade like contributing saudis contribute. This is what i envisioned. And maybe yeah just took boiling out of there and billion there to help put it all together but yeah le- this was really an impressive comeback in his trae said the first time this season that a team came back from twenty down. There's been a lot of teams down twenty so far this season the numbers are crazy the blow. We've we've had some teams get back into games. You know the clippers being one of the last night but always tough to come back from twenty and then to continue to get victory. You see a comeback a lotta time but then you know. The other teams are taking control and ultimately close but bulls. What do you think about this and no makkinen. Either there for the bozo. Little bit shorthanded. But they just basically with that first quarter and after that they clearly apply portland for three quarters in this game. I thought portland just sort of got on. I think the first four three pointers and sort of got off to that late. But that was really the best they did in that first quarter. They built that big late. And that was it. After that chicago and the chicago bulls went into the paint anytime they want. Which is a real concern. Here i think for the blazes. Their defense was very very ordinary particularly in that second half they last night. That's a question. He for portland going forward but for the booze to go on the road to get this win. This started off so badly. And they'd look badly but now they're starting to resemble the team that's starting to just change a little bit and zach. Levine was asked after the game. Would you guys have won this game last year. And he's like no no way. Because i wouldn't have you know you give the buddha punch lachey and they lie down straight away but this this season does feel a little bit different already. I mean did get off to a bit of a slow start. They would billy donovan. But sometimes that can be the way with the new coach. So you know. I think the two sides here i think you chicago very impressive win the blazes another just ordinary performance by them and i wonder if they will be a movement their season if lee. There's a lot of people wanting you to start Machine lasers defensive big if you can yeah well see note should be that guy that i really shouldn't he i mean he. He was very very good. Dan in the bubble there but last not a couple of times just got beaten very very easily and also you cannot have kanter mellow out on the crew together. You just cannot do that. That's just a recipe for disaster. But again i think what chicago did which was smart just sort of kept attacking attacking attacking in the pint and then when someone was over for three that far to that god shoot the three so a fun win and you just see try happy. Isn't that exciting to see. Someone has a big comeback. Because i imagine that first quarter trae was pretty much ready to just jump into bed and say screw. This is all over. No way way tweet during the fourth quarter a blazers fan said to me. Man i'm so sorry. You got to watch the bulls every single night. This is my first time catching them. They're terrible xactly. Being barely touched the ball in the first quarter said just stick around the comeback. Is they've got this taken care of. Just what they did. Stacey king set on the broadcast who have predicted this only being pure positively. And that's what it's all about this year the bulls. They look like the team. Everybody thought they were going to be last year. It was to me. You saw kevin o'connor tweet last night. Where he's saying. I love the blend of youth and others that they have. And that's exactly what it seemed like coming into last season. the difference. Obviously there's a new coach in charge and honestly last night watching the game. That billy donovan had had some sort of effect on the bulls right exactly being like i said he was over passing a little bit. People were calling him rondo last night because he wasn't looking for shot he was just trying to force passes. You didn't have a shot for the most part. But you did a great job of getting people involved in. Billy donovan is a point guard coach. Point guards teen tend to play well underneath him. So i liked what i saw from. Zack levine pat williams. He had a nice little his low shot to get things started there. In the fourth quarter. Garrett temple had a huge game. We already mentioned otto porter hitting the glass. Apparently he's a small ball four now. He was a rim runner. Last night's bad young a small ball five. That was a game changer when he came in. And kinda when bell carter out of that drop defense was able to play a little quicker and that kind of shut things off damian lillard and cj mccollum a little bit the balls. They looked good last night. They've won four out of five. Will it keep going. Yes it will. Oh you're positively positively. Yeah i wish it was still called the rose garden because we had the florist pat williams do things. That zach levine. Three two that was ultimately the game winner was huge just a one point game and he. He drains the big three. And you guys know. I love a rebound highlight. Let's go next level with this. I thought wendel carter. Junior laid down some huge light picks last night. He was jeff in guy to wasn't mccullum twice. Maybe they got that shook common ludwick but he drops up big picks the guys. We're not calling out because they were not ready for the big window. Courtesy junior screen there. Yeah but that team needs a bit of toughness too. I mean that's one thing that that does send a bit of a message to other teams. When you got a go out there. Nothing good. He was really upset because he was just doing his playing his role. Like he's a big guy. Mike guy screens make your body get felt there and he did that so yeah that that's what chicago has lacked in. The last couple of years is any real defensive toughness. You know you sort of look at. That team is pretty flimsy. You can score on the many time so you do need a guy who can who can sort of you know. Show his eyes and it's his third season now also expect him to stop feeling a bit. More in control at the bulls have got high hopes to win new car too. I mean he's been injured a lot through his career so far but if he can stay on the floor. He's a pretty talented guy. I mean i don't know really what the ceiling is in. We get a good sustained period from him. Al horford we always heard the al horford. Yes yeah that'd be. That'd be incredible. Yeah yeah we just again like. I need to need to put it together for most of the season anyway yeah. Injuries have played a huge part. All right congrats to trey kerby and and the fans out there love it. I love it big victory in portland next game. Keep moving here. Kyrie irving leads. The undermanned nets to the one thirty to ninety six below out over the jazz. Here's one of those blow to lee what's your takeaway well. I was very excited for this game. Especially because kevin wasn't playing he's after the next few games with corona virus protocols. And so i was like okay. Let's just see because the nets are under little bit of pressure. They need a win. They're playing against a very good team. A very good defense team. But cairo was in his bag as he'd say in that first quarter he was just incredibly hit so many shots that three step back inside the pint and this was a blow at in the first quarter and again in the nba. We know first. Quarter as we're talking with the bulls in the blazes there. That usually doesn't count for anything but in this game it absolutely did. The jazz had no real counter at all Cari was just incredible. They couldn't stop him even when they double team him. It was just too good. He made the right play. Read or just hit the shot and really disappointing performance from the utah jazz. I mean this is a team that i've looked at a couple of times. I thought they're very good offense. There makes such a difference when you have bogdonovich back in that lineup. And he stunk it up last night mitchell plight but that was really and really go. You know he's got into a little bit with shack over on the weekend. They're saying that you can get paid two hundred million if you don't have to school and i thought it was not a good response from rudy last night. Defensive wasn't good. He got his ass handed to him by jared allen. Exactly like that sort of thing. That like You know the the height of radio looking. Like that. And think i mean jared allen. He's a he's a solid player but rudy bear. If you're an all nba all stop you. Should dominate that matchup. But he didn't do that last night. So yeah this one turned into a real snooze. So the question has to be asked the nets better without kevin durant by call ably ellis later on the athletic. I love it. Well here's the other takeaway to not just kyrie cook and early but the starting lineup trae. That's steve nash. Ultimately went with Raise some eyebrows. At least they went with. Because there's no katie. Kyri starting okay. Bruce brown to a lot of people who You know he played for the pistons. He's there with the nets now. Taurean prince okay. Jeff green the start and then finally finally deandre jordan. We're gonna start the better center that we have the better version of basically you Younger you jared allen. He got the start. He was huge. Nine hundred and eighteen for jared allen three steals two blocks. he's thoroughly. Oh played radio. But that was a lot of names. Like shuffling around here from steve nash and the nets coaching staff. A lot of guys. That were you know. Joe harris to the bench and stuff like that and for one night it works out but i guess steve. Nash says we're just going to try things here. And see what what lineups. Click so far so good with this one. Yeah not bad. A little experimentation by steve curry putting a place where he's gotta make some decisions on what to do with kevin durant coming out and i think it's kind of interesting that he decided to go defense. I because that's definitely what the says. Jared allen moves better than deandre jordan and this bruce brown and defensive player for the most part taurean prince. Maybe he stretches the corporate out there for his defense and jeff green you just want to highlight dunks from him every once in a while but it was good for the nets that they went and tried to figure out their defense. We've been talking about it for the past couple of shows that the nets haven't committed to defense. This is a move by steve. Kirsten sorry steve nash. Wrong coach steve. Saying yeah we're coming out and we're playing defense. They didn't actually need to play defense so much last night. Only ninety six to the jazz which is impressive. But it's a blah who knows the defensive stats there. But jared allen getting the start you gotta think he's gonna be starting from here on out. There's been a lot of talk. Obviously the internet wants them to start over deondraye jordan. He seems like the better player to me. The important thing is that he has most lebron finishing their Their games which i think is a bigger deal and he seems to be fine with coming off the bench knowing. He'll get his chance eventually. He did last night. He was incredible. He was being compared to kenyon. Martin i love to see that. But like a throwback as well but he was great dominating go bare there's some great highlights crushed on top of his head blocked them a couple of times at the rim. He was an impact player. And that's exactly what the nets needed with katie. Gone up. yeah my thing with him is whether starting or finishing okay. He just needs more minutes. I mean he's he's much better than d andre jordan. He's i love him. Love his games basically since he was a rookie. He is just a great. You know third fourth guy if he's that type of in the pecking order on your team. Man you got a really good squad. I love he'd he also said this. He credited a change of his pre game meal from past with pesto sauce to pass though with l. Freida sauce for his season high in points and rebounds in last night's game. I had to get your take on this. You're a big pesto. Big passed i big homemade pesto. Go yeah i love the basel in the switched off the creamier thicker free interesting interesting choice. Sort of dairy option which appropriate he. He didn't specify what type of pasta he was using all the data. That's what we need to find out really the source here gone with a row sauce or the sort of what these. The rica rigatoni just plain. Spaghetti doesn't do spaghetti doesn't get all that will pester. Usually you need something a little more. Clearly in their little shorter little stomach. Your favorite my favorite pasta well pool. That's a tough one ought properly. I mean knock. He doesn't really count as costs. That doesn't a gray area. It's because it's potato is made it's not really Probably i'm probably going to default back to the few sealy. You just watch seinfeld pro. Yeah that that is a great one with Crime goes makes jerry. Because he's silly. Pasta trae cava toppy bucatini. Favorite pasta depends on the song. Us a trick question. I will say this Ravioli ravioli is great but you cannot put like a lobster ravioli or anything like that. You won't get those in like trader joe's they have lobster ravioli of light night now. You can't do it like that. It's going to be more vegetable in for the ravioli. Okay i will say insane. Tate's feel bad actually feel bad for the jazz fans last night. 'cause i don't know i have nothing to back this up like i haven't crunched the numbers wherever gone back and looked at other shows but it feels like to me. Tell me if. I'm wrong guys that like on a night where there's not a lot of games and then of course we're gonna be talking about it the next day and it's like oh this jazz nets game like you said lee off. That's you know that's intriguing no d. Maybe more competitive. The jazz had been plan. All right you know like oh this could we could be talking about. Utah's what i'm getting at here. And then they lay a stinker and they're just like sort of forgotten about and we gloss over them. I feel like that happens with the jazz. Yeah with our show. I don't know what it is. And then i think the flip of it is. They have like really good friday night performances and like talking. You know what i mean. Mitchell will go for forty and then buried. 'cause we're not talking about on the weekend i again just feels that way to me. I don't know it does a- last night's game wasn't real snooze again a great opportunity for utah to get a win against a team that hasn't been struggling a little bit and without their best player but instead they lay an egg from the start. And where's the comeback. Because mike conley surprisingly. I'm not if you guys knew that. He was leaving the team in scoring not. I'm not sure if he is. Because mitchell had thirty one i think conlon had ten in the end so mitchell probably have taken him but it was like he starting to fit into that role a little bit more than he did last season and again bogdonovich talked about him. He can light it up. Any time Joe can be good as well he can get it gone but they were just kind like Not not last night. Not not interested and again joe harris coming off the bench so it was like a defensive. Look here from the from the nets and the jazz had no counter punch. You know no way of firing back on the on the nets and it was a real schmoozer in the end. Yeah donna mitchell believe everything. Twenty two basically points per game and clinton laser at nineteen so not far behind. Then you've got go bare fourteen and thirteen doing his thing. I mean there four and three. I'm not saying the jazz are like brutal. I still liked them. But again they have this habit of putting up stinkers on a night where you can really focus on them and want to focus on them and maybe talk about them in great detail and they just got hammered right. You got to play well on a five game night. So i'm sorry. I talked about on. No i'm also willing to pump the brakes on the jazz because it kind of feels like this every single year. Slow out of the gate. Then they'll have a month where they win eighteen out of twenty games or something right. So we'll talk about you. A bunch of marched jazz. Probably right next to next game. Yokich kitchen the nuggets regroup to rally past the wolves. One twenty three one sixteen. It came back in this one. Trae big takeaway. Yeah it was a rally but it didn't really feel like the nuggets wherever in danger of losing this game because nicola yokich is making an mvp case right now and it wasn't actually that hard him. Last night he had thirty five points. He went twelve for twenty from the field. Fifteen boards a measly six assists. Come on man. Step up your game but watching yokich there were so many times he would just catch the ball turn and there was nobody even touching at the free throw line underneath the basket. There's just no resistance inside from the timberwolves at obviously No carl towns. Last night. there was a lot of skinny. What's his name. Jared vanderbilt is a little too skinny to be able to handle yokich in the bekaa fiery though he was definitely fun to watch. He's not really just class right now. You know there are some nods read minutes. Just what the resistance wasn't there from the timberwolves. They don't have the defense for but it was great to see yokich come out and dominate once again. And he's you know if if the nuggets had won a couple of games earlier in the week. We're probably talking about him at at the top of the mvp valor percent valid. Don't you think the guy's gonna be leading the league in assists big man incredible stuff but if you are the timber wolves some good things to take away from this game. The juancho revenge game ballots. Pretty wild i think. We're probably the biggest juancho. Her gomez fans in the world twenty five last night. He was balling for timber. Wolves and anthony edwards is a fun watches well He was taking the ball. Strong hope at a huge donkey had a nice little jelly on the break. The guy's been much more of a driver than i thought he was going to be. Coming into the league scouting report on him was that he's gonna take one hundred step back jumpers. He's still take somebody gets to the hoop looks like an nba player. That was fun to watch. But you gotta play defense eventually. Yeah what do you think about. Trae said they're li denver's three and four if they're five and two is yokich like at the top of everybody's mvp leaderboard this season. I think especially with jamal. Murray sort of struggling struggles continued their. Because yokich is leading that team. He's doing everything. And it's not just the stats. If you gotta you gotta watch a game. Every single possession goes through him like everything either. he's bringing up as the giants footer. Or then you know the guards bring it up and then it's passed a him. Let's operate you know it's it is really wild to watch that. Every single play goes room. Sorry to interrupt you there. But that's it. He's got the skill set as well where he doesn't like school and thirty five as you mentioned there last night. But he doesn't feel to me like he. He's a score. I just wanted to get his plays involved. Get his teammates involved. But one thing i learned last night was that if you get a technical foul hang on the rim. It doesn't count as a personal technical fair right. it's sort of like an unsportsmanlike or non unsportsmanlike. A non negative very weird. Because yokich last night through a couple of dogs the first one he goes by dunks it and it does give himself a gets a technical foul for it and then only like a minute. Aside lighter he's joining the and he gets another tech. You're like oh always gone. Yeah but he doesn't get ejected for that so he gets fine for the personal for the for the non unsportsmanlike. But it doesn't count as a personal tech which is weird because why wouldn't it count as a personal technical fab. I mean i understand the illegal defense ones goes against the team again. Because that's like a team concept right. But how is not a personal technical foul and handle not even know this this game forever because john kuczynski and i last night rick's changing a little bit on twitter. He was like yoga going. And also yeah. I'm pretty sure that's his second techies going and then he stayed out there and it wasn't until we looked into and we found out that it doesn't count as a technical foul against so. Does that mean. I mean you can get as many of those as you want three game you can get five of those technicals You know if you keep hanging on the rim and that doesn't can't get you i guess so yeah wouldn't be tossed. Yeah but scenically yokich actually up on the rim. that should not be. You should be applauded. And then he had another throat later on. But it's so funny because he's just not a a highly so when he does get up for a dunk. It's like wow. This guy takes all these effort to get up there and throw it down onto watch Crazy stuff man crazy stuff in english. This guy is a sixty eight years old and still learning but but also nickel yokich must have known that i guess because he got the to eat nearly got another tek after that as well it was really pushing it last night. He was really trying to get himself thrown out. But you know what the wolves they could end up with the worst record in the nba This season especially if tanzania or a long period here. Because i actually thought that competitive last night russell was good but feel that the nuggets were just going to get there. Because i just the better team playing harm but Yeah you when you look at the wolves and you just think oh man. It's it's really hard so did not a great defensive team offensively got some talent there but just not enough if the other team has a decent defense to throw at it so it could be another rough seas there minnesota. Yeah i like to see denver turning it around here too. You're right jamal. Murray is not bubble. Murray by any means yokich is leading the way. But you michael. Green is back to this team or with this team. I should say and bike playing the last couple of games. I think he played really well. In this game. Series vs minnesota hit three threes in both games grabbed. Eleven rebounds total Seventeen specifically off the bench last night. Those are key and will barton this. His frantic energy is very. I don't know if it's because the way he plays like it. Maybe it sticks out more than it would on another team but like it feels needed. Just that manic energy your watch him when they go to like the timeout like camera like we're in the huddle of their chairs and stuff like that. He's always like just like bobby brown. You can never stop moving. And he of course does that on the floor but twenty seven and three last night. And i think he's very important to their success moving forward to and i liked that he talks up yokich to had you had a quote like saying like he tells yokich before every game. Just go out there and win. Mvp like you're the best player in the world if you want to be aggressive and no one can stop you and some nights at work definitely with you okay. So he was big down stretch thirteen of his thirty five in the fourth. Sort of. it's amazing everything. Every every single play goes through him so he's either scoring attempting shot or of course trying to set a guy up or setting up the the the next thing that sets up a guy like the hockey. It's it's wild so goodwin by denver and yep come more they put together a little streak here. Four wins in a row. Whatever the yeah the people the national media will start taking notice of what the heck yokich is really doing there. I know the diehards know. What's up how specially is. But you'll start seeing it on some of your other shows that maybe don't follow the legal that closely our next game here. Laker stretched the winning streak to four four straight for them. They beat the grizzlies ninety four. Ninety two honestly there's not a lot to take from this one. The first one is the score may jump out at ninety four ninety two. Yeah it was. It was a defensive minded game. Anthony melton actually had a wicket block on anthony davis and then dumped. It punched one home on the other end with about six minutes remaining it. That's what it looked like. The grizzlies might win this game. But you didn't think that if you saw the game prior because this was another miniseries where the lakers had just played the grizzlies two nights prior. I guess it was on sunday night. And in that one which i watched lebron just took over he literally just decided. Okay games close. I'm going to start to try now. And i'm just gonna stamp on this game. We'll get the victory. He sort of did it again last night. I mean it was. It was the same movie it really really was. La trailed seventy nine seventy seven with both five minutes ago and then lebron got some help in this one. They went on a combined nine to run they had the lead and they held on for dear life at the really well at the end with some crazy turnovers but lebron i mean it's it's wild to watch a guy coasting through games and now his version of coasting is still damn impressive but a really is. I'm not exaggerating the lakers. As a team are doing this. And i don't know if it's going to come back to bite them in the ass but it's pretty amazing to watch them sort of just half asset for two to three quarters and then turn it on when they need to. Did you see any resemblance to the lebron toe to lebron they last night because it felt like that to me where he knows. He's going to win the gate but some of the shots he hit as well. You know just is crazy. Sort of full aways setbacks that like just go perfectly through the net as well it was kind of like he was just toying with them and I think a part of it was dillon. Brooks had that little show is strength there with lebron where he got the ball. Lebron on his butt and dillon brooks landed in got the foul and he did the big flex and this also reminds me a little bit of like the last dance where we saw michael jordan sometimes needed anything just to motivate him. Well here we are on. A tuesday nodded january and lebron memphis. He knows he can win this game. And it was almost like thank you. Thank you dylan brooklyn. Giving me just that little bit of like all right now. I have to show this guy because you saw lighter on as well when he hit that crazy full away he drop the to. Yeah i don't know if you saw it as well on a play early lebron's blowing kisses to the memphis benches. Well i did see him so he was kind of. I think that's what it was last night. He's like. I have to win this game. But someone give me reason he'd of rier up. Right and dillon brooks did that. I was because it is just so much fun. When you see lebron just get into that rhythm where he's like okay. Thanks for coming guys now going to win this game And it's good not great memphis anything from this way well. I didn't watch this one very closely. I did see a fast break. Where grayson allen. Just kind of tipped the ball. The onus val and tunis running down the middle of the lane he finished with a very slow lap and it may be misplanned. Pick up all. This would have been the biggest highlight from any game on a wednesday night if we were out there playing. But you look at the box scores. And it's just how much the lakers are in foot. The switch mode this season every one of their starters except for dennis schroder who is a minus one has massive plus minus splits for last night whereas the bench was struggling. And that's the difference. There once the lakers put in their starting lineup. The game's going to be over because lebron eighty know exactly what they need to do to get a win in a scenario against the grizzlies. It's not necessarily needing to play one hundred percent strength the entire night. We worried about the lakers. Taking games off last season coming in you know because we're like lebron. He knows his body. The guy manages the season as well as anybody does. That wasn't the case for last season. The lakers one hundred percent locked in. We're winning the title from day one. This year they came and they said we already got the title. We had to play seventy five days ago. So let's take you a little chill this year. Turn it on when we need to their preserving themselves by load managing during games. Lebron's quarterbacking out there. The guy doesn't put in the effort until he needs to score and it's fine because he knows exactly what to do. Impressive stuff from the lakers. They're not even trying hard. And they're the best team in the west and the grizzlies are of course playing with other two. Best players and drama jackson to your. They put up a fight. I mean it's nice to have molten back. What do they call mr do. Something i think is his nickname. Which is a fascinating nickname. But he does a little bit of everything he he was helping of. Course stay in this game and give them a lead late in. They thought they put up a valiant effort but it was a little big brother little brother scenario there. It's like okay this little too close here. I'm just gonna pull out this victory. what are you gonna do. Yeah you're right lebron's load managing during games and we talked about it. I think a big part of it is like. Hey i could take the night off. I could just take the night off. But i play rack up. Twenty to twenty five points. That's going to help in the total accumulation of catching kareem abdul-jabbar for the most points. Why not that's what he's doing. It's really astonishing. Totally jumper is money enough. Now that he can hang out on the perimeter threes at a high enough rate. He can these follow as at a high enough rate that he can just hang out on the perimeter not take a million bumps yep pick teams apart like remembering the bubble watching him. Take apart zones from miami this. It's similar stuff on the bronze just out there. Like moving people around with his is that feels like until there's a split second where he can fit a passan. That's why is one of the ghosts. I sure final game. From last night spurs stop a four game skid one sixteen. Thirteen victory over the clippers. We sort of alluded to this one. Crazy crazy spurs up a massive amount. The clippers have been playing in weird games this year. Man they are either thirty or down. Thirty feels like in every single game. They've played but came back. But in the end. I pulled out anything to take away from this one year. Ozzy mate putting se when this is nato we and who'd is coach. Popovich go to patty thrills. Coming off the bench i think in that first quarter hit four threes and like the last ninety seconds of that i it was incredible performance and he finished with eight for the game. Twenty seven points missed one free. Throw the which really have kept the clippers within a chance of a tie game lease but they weren't able to do that. No paul george here for the clippers and we'll find out tonight if he was lured managing or he was genuinely soul with that ankle. They're not. I suspect it was probably a little bit more of the foam rather than the latter But yeah the clippers Just just the we'd team again as you mentioned they'd like they were killing the sons on on what not sunday night that was and then the sun's daily pulled that out and then last night they will half asleep in that first half got themselves back into it. Light but the spurs i will say those spurs jerseys look unreal on the court. I thought i look gorgeous. Fiesta jerseys you saw well like the young stars. The killed and johnson the lani walker devante murray like hell. They went on that four game. Losing streak is kind of weird because they got some very good young talented athletic by play defense but then last night having lamarcus and derosa out there was just the experience. Perhaps that's maybe that's what they'd be missing. I thought that they're a good thing with a young athletic gauze. And then you have the veterans out there who can just see you team harmon and patty mills. Welded that light in the game. He's a veteran now. Of course we don't make him one of the young guys anymore but the funny thing about patty mills is the shot. Selection has never really changed throughout his career. Some of those shots are a little bit wild a little bit alien the shot clock. They go in there. That's the difference. I think that's the difference. When you look at paddy's highlights from his portland is and even when he. I got to san antonio couple of shows just but now he's just It's the repetition ex-experience and knox in it was. It was great to see him have such a great performance. He shooting fifty seven point five percent from three on the season right now on fire because he shoots a lot in them as you would if you shut the while they hit twenty. Three's a spur. I think tied a franchise record. That's a ton for them. Speaking of the clippers. I remembered this tweet from tim reynolds. Last night i remember. I liked it for a reason so i could bring it up on the show. Listen to this this season games. The clippers have played. They trailed by fifty seven to the mavericks. They led by thirty. One against minnesota led by thirty one against phoenix. They led by thirty against portland. They led by twenty four against denver. They trailed by twenty four against the spurs last night. When we're talking about here. They led by twenty two against the lakers and they trailed by twenty against the jets twenty or more upper down in every game. They've played this year. That's really really strange that. That's a big gap. I mean a lot of those were thirties for crying out loud if not more so weird weird stuff. But they missed paul george. No doubt he's having a good year obviously helps a permanent defense. Go ahead try is having a good year but a guy. That's not having a good year. Luke the nar dog just nine points last night. Three of ten. He's shooting all right from the field so far this season he's forty three percent from three but i think he was supposed to be the third initiator. Perhaps for the clippers. This season landry shamet went out in the trade kind of more just the shooter that compared to canard work canard should fear radically. Be able to handle the ball and pick and roll. Make some plays and space the floor. He's been underwhelming. So far is only been in double digits. 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I mean 'cause you can get defeated and and get the silver medal but you can also like like you don't get defeated if you if you run second if you're not a main angry right. Yeah so if you lose by half a second in the race. It's like well you came second robin getting defeated into second place. If you know what i made sure. So what's your what's your answer i guess you. Would you be content with a silver medal instead of no medal. Yeah i think you'd want the silver medal. Yeah i mean yeah. You'd want that silver medal winner to showed off the kids and the grandkids. Bronze is the worst almost rather just before that well see. I don't know what it was like the canada in the eighties and Early nineties but australia. Most of our medals at the olympics were bronze wasn't until we'd around the two thousands. We started picking up a few more gold medals but the bronze was always like yeah. Well that's the thing when you're not winning any medals then russell in the front the front page of the newspaper but then when your country starts winning some medals then you win bronze. And everyone's like yeah so you can. You can win bronze you know because he might be battling that person for four. so you win that bronx. Yeah why do you keep saying like that. I mean every olympic events different. Yeah that's what i'm saying. That's what i'm saying. You can win. Bronze you can lose silva you know what i mean like say finished with a win rank right right right okay. Gladly cleared that. Are we stalling. Just to try and get feedback. Maybe a little bit a not good not look good insight going gonna get a black screen drinker become an forth on today's podcast. Jd you're always gold congrats to you late. You and i are battling now for silver. He's back fist mysterious black towns. So like i was saying about luke talking about the olympics. I'm not even tell you how we got onto that tangent. Okay let's get to some news nice to have you back to you k. We a report coming out the last couple of days. The nba is seriously discussing expansion. Adam silver has said that himself makes sense. You know profits probably down here during the pandemic expansion b.'s. Caesar a great way to just inject a bunch of cold hard cash to the other owners who are possibly hemorrhaging money here but how much money well according to. Espn's brian win. Horse within the league office sources said officials have floated the tag of two point five billion each for two expansion teams in the near future. We're at thirty right now. Let's say we're gonna bump it up to thirty two but two point five. Bill will come questions off this louis expansion. You think is a good idea right now in today's nba. And if you do where would you locate. Let's say two teams have out. I think expansion is a good idea if it's for the right reasons but this doesn't feel like the right reasons for me. This feels more like we need some cash. We need some quick hod cash as soon as we can. Because i think they'll have no shortage of takers to come up with that two and a half billion dollar fee because there's always interest for people to to buy team because it usually is a cash cow now if you get two teams and that's a five billion dollar cash injection that gets split amongst the other owners. The players don't get any of that so that would be a about one hundred sixty odd million her team which which sounds like a lot of money but and it is but to me. It's like i. I would like to see a more sustainable way of trying to generate the money that they're losing because ultimately if you have more teams and get that hundred and sixty million you're gonna be diluting. The tv revenue that comes in so is that they're sort of like short term like cash. Quick hit which don't think is the right reason to do it so i'd be a little bit careful right now now. I think a big part of this is because we simply don't know when we'll have full arenas in the nba again that that might not be for a couple of years potentially We start seeing strickly. And i know that some fans at games now which doesn't seem like the smartest idea but there are some fans there but also from what i've seen around the world in In soccer in england and cricket in australia day have brought crowds back but as sort of social distance. Hasn't been a capacity at any game or anything that i've seen so far so and i think america considering where they are with the virus is still just a long long long way away from that even though we started the at the vaccine rolling in now so my my my ultimate point is i think Don't do this unless it is really going to be done with a long-term financial plan in place that isn't just going to then create a head further down the line because it may is caused even more financial grief for other teams because again more teams means. Competition might be a little bit harder to sell season tickets to some in some cities depending on how the team is. Bannon as danny larue. Often points out is the most competitive advantage in the nba. So you wanna make sure you get you're going to get more earners make sure garner's because there are a lot of nba on his right. Now i am nine spit. I think we know who they are. Want for good owners and and their teams have been terrible for a long time. So it's a it's a it's a it's a dicey proposition right. Now i think for the nba bring teams back. Seattle's obviously going getting a team and that's a no brainer. I think trae degree at that seattle would be one of the teams that has automatically given one of these expansion teams. Even they'd be bringing them back. Yeah it'd be exactly like the charlotte hornets. You know when the pelicans became a team. And then the bob cats turned into the hornets. I think it would be exactly that obviously seattle. It'd be great you know. They've got a championship history. We all remember the sonics in their ten seasons ago. Basically so yeah. I think that one is a lock the other place i would like to see the nba expand into mexico city. The biggest city in north america bigger than new york city who has two teams. They've been playing occasional games in mexico city for years. that'd be a great place to grow the game ethic. What do you think badly of mexico city or another another place. Yeah well i would love the the nba to go back to vancouver. But i just don't think that would happen. I don't think they had the interest in that city to sustain an nba team but as far as a beautiful cities vancouver for me would be top of the top of the pa. I'd love to hear some more. Dennis scott stories from his time playing with the vancouver grizzlies. We know he had a great time there but other than that mexico city absolutely. I think that would be fantastic for the nba. To do that. Because i don't think travel would be much of a concern there because the why these teams traveled around anyway. So it's i think it's central time zone there in mexico city. I'm not sure about any whatever it is. It would be great the nba to expand across the border. If they yeah other cities being thrown out louisville it is sort of at the top of a lot of people's list. Las vegas i know is a hot one only obviously they have a hockey team there. They've got a brand new arena. There it's vegas you got so many people. Is there a foot. Yeah arash markazi actually. He tweeted this out yesterday. An online and ideal online for thirty two team. Mba was seattle in las vegas in the west. And then you'd have to bump minnesota till the east and you could do eight divisions in two sixteen team conferences. What do you think about this. We're showing the map in the sort of like the division for everybody joining us on youtube if they were in vegas and seattle trait that that makes sense to me. I don't. I don't really have an issue with putting you know lump in minnesota in with the box in the bulls and the pistons. No oh yeah. I think that makes sense. That's kind of they expanded. You need to take one team to the eastern conference. If it's going to be vegas and seattle added it's going to be between the grizzlies and the timberwolves right. Those are the teams that are furthest east on the map and it seems like they should actually be in the eastern conference. Both of those teams will be a lot more competitive in the eastern conference as well. So yeah i would be down but this definitely feels like las vegas and seattle would be the cities that teams seattle like. We're saying the history and has shown that they are ready for pro. Sports teams team seemed to be doing. Well once they gotta las vegas maybe not successful. I know the raiders haven't had a great season but the aces were great in the wnba was the gogoi's went to the finals. Their very first season right and they were a huge success story so pro sports leagues. Were very nervous to go to las vegas when bedding was completely outlawed. Now that It's more legalized make sense to me. Yeah let's hear from you guys out there. Where would you put two expansion teams or do you sort of agree with lee. Maybe like is this the right idea. A lot of people think there's enough talent in the league lead to to sustain two more teams in terms of like obviously distributing like these great players to have then star players on other teams. Now that that's an interesting point because every year we know a lot of teams tank though early into the season. So you know you don't want more teams coming into then potentially watered down the league even more you know i saw that. That's i'm not sure. I completely agree against that comes again from ownership and management. Where if they like. Listen we want. We want this team to suck so we try to get a higher draft. But i'm not convinced that that's entirely true myself. I think sometimes less is more in that state instance where you have more competitive league with perhaps not as many teams lost again. Let's hear from you guys out there. On the street team tweet us at no dunk sink. Finally i just wanted to bring this to your attention last night. I tweeted my early all disappointing team. Sort of just like off the top of my head guys that have been pretty garbage to the year. It's obviously super early. Still i had devante graham and these were these were stats heading into last night's games for some of them but devante graham nine point nine points per game twenty-seven percent shooting. My other guard was norman powell with the wraps you picked a lot of apps. Eight point five point three and thirty one percent shooting for him. I had curiously virtue pretty decent game last night but coming into its thirteen point. One points per game thirty seven percent on the floor. Kelly oubre junior ten point nine points per game thirty four percent from the floor and even worse from three and then davis bertans ahead as my other. Four eleven point three and thirty five percent from the floor. I tweeted this guy a lot of great responses. But i want to ask you guys is. Is there anything i missed or who you would add if we even we're building an all disappointing second team. Who would be. Who would be in. Play there for you trae. Well when i was running up and down stairs trying to make sure my internet was right. Fretting about this skeets thinking. I wasn't going to be able to get back for this question. To address your anti-big man bias. Once again not only are there no centers on your disappointing team. There's only one guy over six foot. Ten davis bertans and he takes all of his shots outside. We've already lost the center. Spot on the all star game. You guys want to get rid of it in the nba. And now skeets is not even letting the no'don'ts audience have a center on his disappointing team when skeets has been bringing up the most disappointing centers in the league for the first two weeks in the season. Aron baynes. he's right there for you. Marvin bagley beans bagley the third and the second right there for you. Marvin bagley six eleven shoot and thirty seven percent. It's about al horford nine seven and three. He's got nineteen combined stats. And he's making twenty seven million dollars a year use of put up a big triple single nine seven and three. The no don't audience demands a center on this team gates. No more anti big man bias. That's fair. i got a lot of votes for nurk last night. Siaka was in the mix too. Yeah there is people saying about jimmy butler. I gave jimmy butler pass because of injuries. He's missed like half games. He's been bad but in terms of shooting the ball fair fair. Yeah again i. I was doing this quick. I was actually like struggling. Just on the fly to think of big guys bagley. Good one really really. Good one I i didn't have high hopes for as it was so wrapped raptor on the team already. That added anyone else. Leave well after the first game of the season. The raptors and the hornets. Jj riddick had twenty three points when six for eleven. I said ou. Six men positive for j. j. riddick since then he's gonna three for twenty six. Ill scored twenty four points in the other games on. He s just been cold out there. He just kinda shot which is incredible. Because he's got such a beautiful shooting stroke and he's a veteran he's being around. This is a great role for him and a good team. Good opportunity but Yeah he's just been clunking at a lot lightly. So i expect he will shake out of that slump but Yeah overall shooting twenty four percent on the season. He went six eleven that first game and a great win against maybe it was because it was the raptors although he's played the raptors again so but Yeah i just you know either for a career with his shooting stroke. It's like. I could easily see him. Getting sort of fifteen points a game on that team new orleans but not happening right now yet. John hollander also suggested a good one last night to me. Gary harris who had again to last night's game again. I don't have the updated stats. But was averaging seven point seven points per game on thirty six percent shooting from the floor and twelve point five percent from three wamu. There was some. I don't know who was who was reporting it saying that the nuggets we're trying shopping. Miranda interest gary harris. Wonder why right now. I still have belief that game. I think it's still team gary. I am not ready to jump ship just yet but but maybe we'll bought and coming back as well because they're in. The bubble is impacted. He's role. I'm not sure opens up interesting. That shot right now team. Gary showed up to our old volleyball team up in canada. What a team on the beach of mad crazy. Toronto beach angle sticks and rocks. Didn't want to die for the ball. Yeah but show team gary. I was always fun miss those days. All right let's take one more break to hear from our sponsors before tweeted tonight. 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We're rooting for us off over here in this house. I'm sure you guys are as well and oh yeah shadow to dekabde county During the show task sent me a bunch of tweets about the the pronunciation of dekalb county which was speaking of tessa. Lebron thinking about putting together an ownership group for the dream in. That's a great idea. You love to see it to see it. That is a cube beagle to assume that his dog right now. He's a real puppy guys off the same using that commercial. I think so. Th the dog poo and great commercial commercial. I saw about twenty thousand man miss those ads but i don't know maybe no dogs can chip in on buying the dream here. Exciting right to conserve interest for Nba podcast that own wnba team. But send us that kick fund raiser things lebron whatever you're getting a little bush bucks lettuce in all right. Let's get to pick him results from last night. It was the bulls blazers game. Answers were favored by ten and a half. They didn't even win so good call by tasks and trey to take cover again. They just outright victory. So lena were wrong with that. One we get three of us. Four and four. That's tacitly in myself. Trey your three and five very close. And there's a lot of january left so tonight's game is the clippers warriors interesting line warriors. Not the favorites at home. They're they're getting and a half points. So clippers got to win by five or more. We got a busy eleven games scheduled tonight and this is the second game of the espn doubleheader celtics. Heat at seven thirty. And then this one our pick them clippers at were your so. Let's go to you first. Legally clippers favored by four and a half on the road in oakland. What are you gonna. yeah. I'm not sure if paul george is back second of back to back the he's been playing so well right now and the clippers. You just don't know what you're getting. So i'm going to take the warriors i think. I think i can keep it close enough even if they don't win to To cover the spread this. Give me the worries. Okay and i'm going to correct myself. They don't play in oakland anymore. I forgot where the oakland jerseys though. Yeah that's right that's why it's very confused a slap in the face of you. Ask me what do you got you. Yeah i'm with leon this one. I'm going to go with the warriors as well. They've been playing pretty pretty nice basketball since draymond green came back four and a half points not a huge line but a little bit too big for my liking so give me the warriors swerve clippers as we pointed out. They're going to be down twenty or up twenty. So which one will it be. Flip a coin. Give you to win by five or more. And then let's hear pick gimme the warriors in the four points and give me a verbal altercation between draymond green and somebody on the clippers. Maybe many people on the clippers. Patrick beverley would be at the top of the list of things to say we will see all right. I'm the only one taking. Llc to cover the spread everyone else got the warriors okay. We'll call it. They're glad we got your back there trae with a bang and then you were gone and style. I'm trying to do my part over here. You know what i mean. What happened just classic wi fi situation or just a classic wi fi situation. You know i ran. Upstairs had to turn off the router plug bag in nineteen hardwired in the old school days dialing in on my modem but it's feeling reliable feeling like the bulls ultra fit kids. I the balls did it now. I did it. Make sure you double triple check that wi fi or your internet connection because we got another podcast record later today. We don't want you freeze it on the beach man. Oh man gets cold on the beach. Can you know selling me. Yeah yeah exactly. 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"Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Xeni offers thousands of affordable. Eyewear styles starting at just six ninety five. No ridiculous markups. No hassles. Just quality affordable. I wear delivered right to you visits. Any today at Zanny dot com slash NBA. Pods today show. The warriors pumped the nuggets Katie gets tossed and Russell pay tribute to hustle in crossfire. We picked the first round matchups. We'd like to see the best NBA talks and plans for the ultimate jerk party. And we debate whether the new wizards VM job is really all that desirable. It's Wednesday April third the third. The. Charts? Evenings. Hurled and woke up to the starters, presented by Jack Daniels, number seven and Tennessee. Honey. I'm Jay skips alongside me as always we got TASS Melles. We've got the Ozzy le-le-let's in over yonder. That's the bearded one metric Kirby. True. Well, I'm here at the internet looking for your best tweets at hashtag, the starters and guys last night. Russell Westbrook did something that most NBA fans have never seen before telling twenty points. Twenty one assistant twenty rebounds to post the first twenty twenty twenty games since will forty two he didn't honor nipsy hustle. From from twenty plus twenty twenty they know what that means man, that's my growth, very cool RIp Nazi hustle, but as Espy nations. Tom Zillur noted we've never seen it before. We don't know what to call a twenty twenty Twenty-eight call on a triple twenty a double triple double a triple double double a triple frontier. Probably not the last one. But it is a good question is in fact, today's question, what is a good nickname for a twenty twenty twenty stat line, for instance, earlier today, I saw Alex Wong say that a twenty twenty twenty game from now on should be referred to as the triple Russell pretty good. But somebody responded to him saying, I was thinking trips industrial tough to say, but it works as for me. I'm going with a nugget party because anytime you get three twenty pieces. That's a party my friends who just got a sauce, but we want to hear from you. So let us know on Twitter. What's a good nickname for twenty twenty twenty game. From your later. All right. Get your tweets in tonight, show tasks and lead step into the crossfire. We're going to discuss the new wizards GM job, and whether it's really all that desirable. We've got a very salt play. But let's start with a little true or false TK. You got the questions. We'll debate the answers to all right? It's a good thing. Russell Westbrook crazy because last night big one versus two game with the debt as the warriors crust the nuggets on the strength of twenty eight thirteen and five from DeMarcus cousins, the wind gave Golden State the tiebreaker over Denver leaves them to games up for homecourt advantage with just five games remaining true or false, the nuggets pose no threat to the warriors. I think that's true because Niko Yokich out. There doesn't have a very good matchup against the Golden State Warriors with Yokich out there. That means the market's cousins is out there, and because cousins out there that just elevates the warriors already ridiculous talent level to another level. If you're going to be the warriors DeMarcus cousins has to be a liability there. But this is just a perfect match up for cousins who used to be a number one option on offense now that you can be the third fourth or fifth option on this team. And. Go at it. And against the guy who's perfectly sized for him. This is three or four all stars with Yokich on the floor makes called state have five all start. It's just too much to handle. Yeah. I mean Yokich is an incredibly talented and gifted player on the offensive end. But on the defensive end against democracy cousins who can use his body to just kind of bullying at the why there's really not much Yokich can do he chose to try to move his feet and get in the way, but he just can't do much and then boogie can also step at a knock-down that three point. So it really almost nullifies the effectiveness of Yokich particular on the defensive end. But then on the offensive end as well as sort of through humanities rhythm because he doesn't have to be shooting to be effective. He can do other things. But I think you saw he was kind of just out of rhythm loss. Not because of what he was doing to him on the defensive end Fidanza. But really this is okay though for but Denver because this is the first trip to the playoffs with this team. So they're gonna learn about what it takes to win into what us led to be the warriors going into the playoffs. And then not expected to win the championship this year. But they are expected to learn and to understand what it takes. So I don't see them, really. As being a big threat to the warriors right now. But I think this is a very important step foot into Tyke Towanda stand. What could happen in the next two or three? So he's cousins was great offensively twenty eight thirteen and five, but I thought he did a tremendous job defensively to on Yokich. And so two Draymond green matching up and look you sort of take away the joker from the nuggets you've sort of stopped their offense because that's just how much they run through him. So great game. Yeah. If you've got a motivated cousins and just a motivated warriors team in general who's going to beat them not many teams. I mean, look the dubs moved to games up now on the nuggets in terms of the race for the number one seed, so it's basically a lock that they're going to have that you're going to have to go through the oracle in the Western Conference to get to the finals. And the other part is I mean, the rockets must be happy with this result. Right. They want again as well over the kings last night hardened in the rockets, they're still in the third seed half game up on the blazers. You don't wanna be the foreseeable? I'm getting out here you want to be in two three. Because now it's again a locked that. The warriors are going to be that one seat. So you're going to see them later in theory in the playoffs. So they're happy. I'm sure about that as well. I guess the. The nuggets just are too similar to the Golden State Warriors. They run everything through their center. The warriors one run everything through their center. Running guys off of them. You're going strength versus strength. Not so good. And that's why Houston is a better match up. Because number one they go out to Marcus cousins a lot more because it's guard play and to it's just not the same. It's gar place. So it's not center versus center. It's not hey, we're trying to beat you at your own game. They're also hard different shoot fifty sixty three. And then hope twenty five of them fall on and give it night. Maybe they will get to win. Sometimes they miss twenty seven in a row gets lost. But that's how they play next one. All right. Kevin Durant scored twenty one points and had a couple of huge dunks in last night's when he did it and just twenty one minutes as Durant with early in the third quarter after picking up two quick but deserve technicals for arguing with referees. State is always among the league leaders and technical guys true or false. The warriors challenging referees will hurt that. It's false challenging them is. Okay. What Durant did last night though? He stepped over the lawn warriors are up big. And maybe there wasn't miscall Durant. Able this certainly didn't warrant that reaction from Kevin Durant to get rod in zach's OB is face and to start swearing at him and carrying on and getting into ejected that no question about it. But if you if there's a coal absolutely you can side of the referee. Hey, come on man, you missed that one. But you know, what forget about it move on. And then the referees one hold anything into signed the referees. Had this premeditated them on. They're gonna throw someone out. But when Durant gets rod in your face like that he doesn't really give the referee a whole lot of choice. You could see Steve Kerr sort of trying to calm him down there and Durant just kept going to the threw him out. But so if you behave like that that could cost you, but if you actually approach it in a more professional manner than I think the referees will respect you a little more. Yeah. The rest don't have to feel bad about tossing. Golden State Warriors superstar because they got another. Three on the roster. Everything is fine. I think they were trying to sort of real it in in that game. They're calm, and you could see DeMarcus cousins sort of try and stop Kevin Durant from doing the what's happening there amongst the league leader in tex- players injections. But it doesn't matter. This is the same thing happened last year. Exact same thing we're sitting here in March giving them a worse of the week because they're arguing they are getting the fear with officials, and they turned it around their board. I was gonna say man, I think they do this on purpose because that's what we said last eight it's become a to some extent like five on five doesn't even feel fair. I think to them they know they can be absolutely anyone. Well, it makes it a little more interesting five on eight. So now, they got the rest on the other team. And now, we gotta get it. All we gotta get pumped up and fight against that. And maybe get some engaged in a weird way. And this is not a big deal because. Yeah. Durant at fifteen tax and his next one cost them a game. Same with Draymond. I believe but it doesn't carry over into the playoffs. It's not like go. Now if you get one in the playoffs, then you're going to miss a game. And then it doesn't you sort of. Reset it all and then I'm sure there are a little more well behaved though, so to speak in the playoffs. You're games in the playoffs because they go sweep sweep the referees. Do give you a little bit more room as well in the playoffs. Like if things that are big tents. They tend to not throw at those guys with two quick whistles. But the worry is do have a bit of a reputation for getting hot under the caller. And then just exploding. Oh, it cost them some money as we saw wolves game there too. And everybody went nuts and they're taunting wraps. And then I'm getting find it actually costs them again, it was not necessarily that take fail. But because then there was a soft fat cold on towns that went on in the wolves went on to win it. So it could cost them in that situation there, but the worry is they do tend to to real it income playoff on trae our final one. All right anytime. You're the only other name on a list with Chamberlain. You must be doing something right in last night. Russell westbrook. Did a lot right? Come in the first player since Wilton nineteen sixty eight tonight at least twenty points, twenty rebounds and twentieth. Six in a single game guys that's an party tour false. This was Russell Westbrook's most impressive stat line. Most impressive. I'm not sure definitely is most meaningful to him. And then, you know, you're seeing a lot of people there. Some backlash. This morning. A saying Russ was waving off Billy Donovan, you know, they're up sixteen this game's over Donovan wants to sub him out. And he's like, no, no, no, I want to get to more rebounds. But he wanted those rebounds because this was his tribute to his slain friend in nipsy hustled. This is something that he wanted to do this in a weird way as way of grieving or have of course, again, a tribute to him. So I mean, I don't see why you would possibly be all that upset. He did it. And also, it's incredible. The do it whether or not, you know, he didn't he wasn't playing forty eight minutes like was doing it back in nineteen sixty eight he didn't play the whole game. He wanted to get to more rebounds at the end. But I mean this crazy this'll be only had thirteen shots. That's a weird night for Wilt Chamberlain all that game. What was it like? No, look, I mean, Westbrook. The he's the only player part of being the league who can actually do that. Because he plays in with side much intensity the entire game. And he stepped out of before. And he's done that a lot and last night sort of thing. But with a little bit more meaningful him more meaning to him. He doesn't care what we think. No, nobody else thinks he that was like important to him the reference, obviously, the twenty twenty twenty and what it meant to nipsy is area that he grew up in LA. So that's all that's all Russ cares about that. It was a tribute to him. So I mean, I have no problem with this whatsoever. I didn't really feel like the Lakers did either. Honestly did not. No, no. Gloria. Well, let's hear from you guys agree or disagree on Twitter. Hash day. The starters was it is most meaningful slash impressive stat line. He's had a couple loose only. Come back. Leeann task step into the crossfire all it's gonna get heated. Oh, no, no. If you're buying sneakers online. There's more than a coin flips chance that the shoe. You're looking at is fake. How can you be sure? It's real goat dot com is the safest way to buy and sell authenticity sneakers online. 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Otherwise, if they don't get it from those guys, you never know what's gonna happen. You never know. What's gonna have one poll or Patrick Beverley also faces Russell again? Yes, should be a fun series. Come on. It's the wrap is in the pace. Then that's what we want and round especially being a rep is fantastic because this year against the pistons rep his own free Dwayne Casey wants that first round series about he knows all the little knickknack is going to get to go. This would be fun series because they can still particularly one in Toronto. Then some rapid. To a rough start playing behind here to down there around to last night, DeMarcus cousins dominated Yokich and the nuggets. And boy did he let them know about it as he searched for the joker with the warriors up by thirty with six minutes to go. Yeah. Pretty ruthless there. Because I want to know what's the NBA's best taunt. Here we go. I'm going to go back to us. Was it the free throw line against the clippers and he sought dealing dre Jordan. Jordan. What how I shoot these free throws. He misses the city says the second one. Hey, watch this guess what? He misses that one as well. Jordan back the other end, I watched I guess what that game the blaze has lost by two points to the LA clippers that was why badly executed interesting is the Ronca because it gets under player skin. Nobody wants to be called the baby. It started with Russell Westbrook. But it's so widespread even his enemies are doing it like Klay Thompson. Yeah. And I like it happened organically as well. Because Russell bus. I had a few kids the last couple of years organic marketers want that baby. Thank you. It's a big maybe final round guys. Although Dirk has yet to officially announce the timing. Mark Stein says that the Mavericks are preparing a massive party for their final home game next week on Tuesday. Just in case Dirk does retire. But I want you guys to put on your party planning hats. All right. What's something that must happen at this Dirk party here? We go. Because we called the Dirk, est circus. Of course, Dirk likes a lot of weird and wacky things. I'm sure this is what will be happening under the Dirk ten. We'll have piggyback on it's fun for the whole family. What about baseball toss? You wanna see how fast you can throw a baseball. Sure, we'll have lots of radar guns, and we'll also have a bug killing contest, seventy bucks. Can you kill in ten minutes or minute? I dunno dirt could kill a lot. All right. What happened is we must be invited to that. I think that'd be the potty this enter you still have the Matt celebrated up they won the championship. But what must be there is a karaoke machine? Because dick is the worst singer in the world. That's what makes so good. You don't want a good seeing you want to read seen it. So everyone gets involved and has a great time and hopefully have. This one again vote in the US. That's what we want. All right. That is by really nearly saved yourself with that final answer. But I. Krasny over I'll see. Kofi kingston. We come back. We talking about curry hitting contact lenses. Why it's not fair at all go anywhere co bakery. Kingston, cool. Yet your films out. We're into the up Dan before I won the Washington Wizards are searching for a new GM after firing longtime team executive Ernie Grunfeld on Tuesday and word on the street is they will have plenty of suitors further gig Wuzhou and NBC sports report that many exacts find the job to be desirable and won a crack at it. So I'm gonna ask you guys or are you up or down on that wizards GM job being a desirable? One. What do you think everybody's up? Yeah. I think it is. I mean, you've got to all NBA town type plays in John wall and Bradley Beal. So it's something as a foundation, I know Joe moles carrying injury and that massive contract. But when he's at he's bist, he's a fantastic and Bill is shown by this season. He's also in line for all this is a good pieces there you will. So can't really do anyways. So. Things are going to improve. Dr is settling exactly. So I think it'd be something a lot of GM's would like doing worse. This kind of part of why I'm up on this to the expectations for the wizards. Appears our make the playoffs as long as you make the playoffs. You can keep your job for a long long time Ernie Grunfeld worked there for sixteen years. They won four playoff series. All you gotta do is win. I don't know fortyish games in the Eastern Conference. You're good. Well, the next decade your life. They've never won fifty games. So that would be the first goal you could do that. Then you're already doing better than any. I agree. There's tons of job security sixteen years being pretty mad in this workforce. In this economy, not bad at all. Not bad at all. But in all honesty, you come in the job. You've got a lot of money tied up the next couple of years. You probably have to tear it down or do something with it. So there is job security sort of built in those expectations shouldn't be next year. Nineteen twenty to be great team. I think that person who comes in. There's going to have a few years to make it happen. All right next one guy Steph curry he was in a bit of a shooting slump if you can call it that for him. I guess it was February to mid March. But he's been on fire over the last nine games getting forty nine percent from three. So what changed Willie started wearing contacts? That's what he told the athletic, Marcus Thompson, I'm serious. He said I'm gotten used to squinting for so long that it was just normal. But now he's got the context that up or down on Steph wearing context, it doesn't seem fair to me way down. Right. See it's it's unfair that Steph curry is going to be better at shooting. Now, the guy shot forty three percents from three in this career without being able to see I think that NBA should go the other way making plan those things you got during high school. It looks like you're drunk. You can't see anything. I think he gets those thirty five percent with the drunk. They might the outcome. Rambus classes come back. Dead of contact lenses. But it's crazy that he couldn't see for the first what ten years is blurry. Oh my God. What's going to happen? Now. He's gonna. I think he's gonna get worse. Clear shootings. Not about seeing the Bill feeling now. Now, he couldn't see you could just feel it. That's good. I was going to see it's not gonna work. The last night. I'm with you. He's gonna shoot one hundred percent. Maybe. All right final one guys. This is weird. Lebron was on the bench last night needed some help with this chain. Luckily for him Kyle. Kuzma was there. Swooped in to offer a lending hand. Braun later thanked coups on Instagram and joke that last night was coups Mus I assist of the season to the king fun little burn their guys you up or down on helping put on your friends necklace. If you yourself, then you don't have someone to help you when you're in a game interesting itself. That's my only rule here. I thought I was going to be the only one going down. But I have a little bit of experience on April Fools day show. You guys we're trading my necklace. I had to watch with trepidation. Yeah. Watch this. Yeah. When somebody else's handling your jewelry chain like mine. I was just basically stereo over all don't break that don't break that my mom be so mad, but that's why I'm bringing up the April Fool's day show. I took it off and it actually came unlatched. And I couldn't put it back on. That's why I'm thumbs up. Kaku is gonna put it on in like four seconds. I couldn't get that feeling. Like, I get this keeps me you figure tinier figures. I think let's hear from you. Sometimes you need a friend. I'm out. Now Joe on Twitter has day the starters, thumbs up or thumbs down for all three of those the wizards GM job curry wearing context and helping your buddy put on. When we come back legally hits us with that, very Selim Plato go anywhere. I helped buddies put on their bike chain all day. Header on NBA got the Celtics versus the heat keep trying to hold onto playoff spot Celtics, obviously trying to have home-court advantage in the first round. And then that's followed by the rockets and clippers Brock is trying to stay in the third seat clippers right now in the sixty trying to move up so lots on the line. All right. We asked you, though, good nickname for the twenty twenty twenty that Westbrook. Put up last night trae like no get party. Would you guys come up with say the starter trip? Why good answers? Here's a bunch of them. Our friend mills Verney says the triple twenty tonight. Russell Westbrook scored the triple twenty baseball Bernie. Here's some more three beat the nipsy special like that the niff- trip. I liked that one as well. As named after nifty. Russell westbrook. The Hoffa Westbrook. Very good twenty twenty and a lot of people referencing Friday out there. Hearken back to the free pay phone calls. Ten ten to twenty. But I like it the triple bent if you're down at Starbucks. What a great answer comes from Samuel L, but trip leaks nineteen across the board. But to think twenty's trae tweets guys. All right. Just reminder. We haven't forgotten trae will be paying off his March pick loss. Before we get into the playoffs. So we're running out of time here a late suggestion. Let us know hashtag the starters for what trae should do got a few things on the whiteboard upstairs. But we haven't haven't locked it. In yet. Somebody said eat twenty burger patties twenty pieces of cheese twenty. Leave ESPN. Yeah. It's a beautiful on here from the worries and before Kevin Durant. Threw a tantrum last night. He was planning some beautiful boss bowl and ending with the perfect three point speech bomb tick at the screening here from Andrew bogut. Hell I saw this lively I thought to myself we're going to be seeing that tomorrow. Yeah. You know, what I call a very solid play. Also, very solid from that game. We had wedgie. Hello. Wedgie thirty seven on the season jail. Klay Thompson, usually he can see straight that guy gave us everything laugh. Yeah. Jackson. This one is a deep wedgie, Tori break went after couldn't get it quite eventually, they got it done market on. We're getting there. Okay. We got one fan sign lead. This is from Denny Ferrari who flew all the way from heavy Dhabi to Dallas for this one. But he does from Geelong, which is in Victoria strategies, a fan of Ryan broke off. So great job did any Ferrari, so many different ways. Got. It's actually pretty ironic a guy named Danny Ferrari flute that's right long drive for maybe dobby. Yeah. Exactly. Right. All right, guys. 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"And now the low post welcome to the low post podcast where we are somehow halfway through the NBA season. Which means it is a fishery time to start thinking about all stars. And to do that. I could think of no one better known who's more excited about the all star game all star weekend and a fixture. If you roll into like, the the G Q party at three in the morning, and it's really thumping yuno ESPN's, Kevin arnovitz is going to be at the center of it. It's like it's like Joel Embiid and Kevin arnovitz and they're at the center that Mr. arnovitz, how are you? I'm well. How are you? Good. Did that accurately describe your all star weekend? Yeah. I I'm actually goading going to boulder sitting vodka for all star weekend very excited about this. I'm going to the Dominican Republic. My wife, my wife, very my wife wanted we do it's time. It's time to I haven't taken a vacation in season since Lynn Sanderson's, I missile insanity by accident. And so I figured this is safe and we're bringing the grandparents so he can hand my child to them and be normal human beings for a couple of days. I actually talked to L Horford about going to the fake Dominican. But it's still nice. I said, I know we're just want to go to a beach fetus, I'm gonna miss also do like all star that doesn't mean that we can escape our obligation to pick two participants in an exhibition game. Do you want to start with the east or the west? Well, I mean, that's an interesting question. I feel like well, I mean, obviously, the west is populated with more talent. I mean, it's incredible. When you gotta do this exercise. The like the contrast you have to talk yourself in the west out of guys in the east. You have to talk yourself into guys. So I, you know, what the east always gets precedent in this country like television things everything as they west coast denizen. Let's do the west. I it's also the better. Wow. Okay. We'll do. We'll do the west. I so here here are the rules. I made you I didn't I didn't demand. Final picks. In fact, my picks are are not completely finalized. Yes. But when I do this I like to like to ignore the fan vote completely and just pay. I don't even know pick. The I don't even know apparently Luca weight or doing very well. And pick twelve the full twelve person roster for free conference and. I lamb basted the NBA last week for the continued fealty to both positions and conference. Like, why are we doing twelve and twelve it stood Iran? Can I rant about a couple of things, and we can get it out of the way? Yes complained anymore. All right. A right if we're not playing with versus let's just take the best reserves respective of conference, easy, even more than that. And it's something, you know, we talked about in a word voting anybody in the NBA watching basketball these days when we're talking about front court in backward. I mean, I think you and I've been talking for years about point wings bigs, right? Like, I the fact that there is very little distinguishing twos and threes on most teams this days. The it's just we need to get to a point where it's perimeters and Biggs or again point wing big or something because it's just there the modern Cain does not accommodate these classifications. And I just don't. Like, I don't get surely they know this like this is the product. It's actually a great thing talk about position basketball. This is one of the great they sell this brand of basketball as a reason to tune in. So why not have all star voting for that matter awards voting conform to this new era of of basketball? So so I am basted another word that do not know the origin of the NBA office for for all of this stuff. It sounds like a turtle. Yeah. Based Basting something I don't know how to base the Turkey. I'm really not very useful very hard for almost any household. I have to cook dinner tonight because my life is sick. I have to I have to my wife is six I had to do everything in the morning. We only have one child it's not like a horde of children's just one I do everything in the morning. I have to take her to gymnastics class at three thirty gymnastics is just they run around. There's gymnastics being done. And then. I have to cook dinner. And I just I don't know how people do this every day. It's a lot of work. It's terr-. It's terrible. Anyway. I have a cactus. Yeah. Caca cactus. Sounds careful. It doesn't talk back anyway. So in the league correctly the league responded to me there's nothing like when you write something critical the league in the two one two four zero seven number pops up in front all boy here comes I literally answer the phone by saying, okay, here comes give it to me. And they politely pointed out that yes. The positions are still thing. You have to go guard and three front court. But for the reserves, even though they have to guards three front court to wildcards. They do tell the coaches, you know, what you can be pretty much as flexible as you want in order to get the team that you want. So I just through the positions out for the reserves. I said seven best players. I don't care. So so okay Western Conference. Let's do the starters. And let's frame it this way, I assume. Stephan Hardin are in. There's no debate. There's nothing there unanimous. Right. Those are the two guards nothing. Okay. So the first big question the western conference's? You have three frontcourt starters remaining. Here are five candidates two of which must come off the bench by rule. You can only start five players maybe one maybe one year. They should try six on five and see how much of an advantage of six players. Anyway, you can only start three of Durant. Lebron James Yokich, Anthony Davis and Paul George those are five players you get three starters. I I'm pretty sure who I'm going to pick. Who are you going to pick? Well by so Davis in LeBron in interesting. That's it. And then this is just honestly one of the toughest. One of the top is exercises. I've had I wanna again because we speak in hand. It's okay. I need you in terms of this criteria to assess the literature of the following statements. Okay. Number one team success should play a substantial role in selection as for that matter should team underachievement. We're talking about multiple players on lackluster team or multiple players on a good team that we should consider the team standing do. You put a on a scale of one to ten ten being absolute import one being forget about it where where do you place that belief? I this this. I'm glad you brought this up because this came into my mind more than ever for this all star selection. I don't know why the league is broken out this way. But you have I and I think it will come down to some guys on the pelicans. And then, you know in the east how many do the raptors get home and do the bucks get do. We put. Vici and things like that. I think it is valid, however. You know it. It is possible. Like you. You do have these. I'm it should to see if you have gallon are Tobias Harrison like the clippers are are winning a lot because they are ten or eleven deep. Whereas the pelicans are trash fire after roster spot number five. And so I do think yes, it's possible that the New Orleans pelicans have to all stars in the Denver Nuggets have one. And by the way, last Thursday, so six days ago, it the TNT guys went on a whole thing about how joe-marie needs to be in the all star game did nuggets they're the number one seed in the west deserve to all stars. Well, like, the nuggets, although they are winning with depth like their bench numbers with Morris elilott Plumlee on the floor credible. They have also been out three starters for much of the season. So I'm not sure how much winning with what they're really winning with his Yokich. And also after Golden State bothered to try really hard for forty minutes last night and reminded everyone we're by far the best team. It's doesn't sound a sex. To say the second team in the west with like the seventh best net rating in the league deserves to all stars. Like all of a sudden Denver does it look like on gotta have two all star. So I, you know, I go back and forth. But I thought of I thought, but the flip side is like so so take the clippers or in the east take the bucks who have had incredible depth the bucks bench. They're getting contributions from like twelve guys every game. Is it fair to punish Chris Middleton or Eric Bledsoe or Danilo Gallinari because their team is deep enough to win when they have bad games like a lot versus reward drew holiday because the pelicans death is so bad that Elford Payton's injury an injury to a guy who is so below average for position that Phoenix was like, nah, we don't eat them. We're still want. So on our team like is disaster for the pelicans. I just think it's an interesting. Question. I'm Br grad Kevin arnovitz to others. How much should injury missed games count against the candidate? And I'm thinking, we'll get to the depot later, but, but, you know, choosing a guy based on the last twelve months of his body of work, even accounting for the fact that yeah, he's come back like so injuring missed games because it's something in the awards really factor in this is more persona driven. Do we I how deeply should I consider that? I mean that that's another question. First of all, I don't believe in the twelve months thing I based ninety five percent of then I'll what's happened in forty games this season. It's an annual game. I liked her awarded for the season. The injury thing raises two questions. I feel like everyone needs an an official date where we stop consideration for all star like Klay Thompson scores seventy points tomorrow. His all star cases going to better. I just feel like we need a date. So that you can say he missed X games over this period of time. But to answer your question, it's it's in the eye of the beholder you get up to like twelve depending on twelve thirteen you've missed like twenty five percent of the season. Depending on your stature. That's at the point where I get concerned enough to break ties you get up to like sixteen seventeen eighteen in less. You're one of the guys you're close to out. And if you get to like twenty where John Collins, you're out, if it's very close to half for me, you're out, but it, but I respect everyone's up ability to to go different way. Okay. In the final a little more abstract than a debate unto itself, and I'm just going to put it out there. I Don I don't know where I land on. On a lot of things but the all star game is a marketing and fan production. Unlike indices, the wards, and if a player offers greater intrigue fan appeal symbolic importance for the league from an ambassadorial standpoint that should be considered in his candidacy. And obviously, I'm talking the perfect illustration. This'll be Luca Don-Shik. Right. That like this is a this is a fan marketing weekend. This is basically the moment when the league said, hey, look, it up to the entire world to it is an exhibition, right? It's not there's nothing ward that which will probably do a show in April about and so that I think, and I think there is a case, it's a very populous case I- intelligent, people believe this, and I I can't discount out of hand to play any factor in selection. I don't mind if it plays a factor for people because I I mean the game is is a last year the game was actually all right when they now kinda cool. Teams and stuff. But the game has been a joke for most of the last fifteen years, I have been snobby about it, admittedly, because my whole thing is when we get to hall of fame candidacy and stuff, you know, you see he's a seven time all star. He's a four time all star or like Kobe Bryant is a fourteen time. First team all defense, even though the last five or like, complete charity jobs these things begin to matter. And I just think it's more fun for. It's just more fun exercise for me to sit down and think about who have been the twelve best guys in each conference this year without regard to any of that noise. But if people want to consider those things that's fine dislike dunk contest. And the three point shootout. Like that to me is all that is for. But then you get a guy like Donncha when you're going to he's going to get in the skills competition. Nobody the skills competition is like it's it's like the JV part of of that night. It's the event. That's kinda like it's it's a little like the ninth grade team. Yeah. It's like, oh, we're going to break out some cones and like climbed some rope. It's like a gym class. It's not, you know, it's it's you need skills. But it just looks kind of silly. So that's my answer. So you went Steph harden, LeBron Anthony Davis and question Mark for the last spot. So in obviously for mealy, Joe Durant or Paul George. I mean, those those are the final three, and this is really tough the case for Yokich, and I'm leaning Yokich a little bit is in does kind of fall into that. First team success thing is this is not a team with multiple really great players. I'm your I've always been Jamal Mary fan. I picked him pre-season working at a year last year tonight better judgment, just 'cause I love the player. And while aknowledging advance stats is not everything this guy with a below average this morning. He's got a true shooting percentage of fifty one point eight. He's had some just worldly performances. And you know, what if you present the time, he's not a terribly efficient play who's helping them win. A lot of games Yokich is the star of a of a team that has a star right now. And that it up until eighteen hours ago was leading the Western Conference and absolute brutal conference with fourteen competitive team. And I I don't know how. And by the way, we can also talk about. Yeah. And he's also averaging, you know, twenty ten in eight so I, you know, and I don't think he's a defensive liability people believe he is he picked up a lot of space. He's frequently in the right place. He cannot move his feet very fast, admittedly, but how the hell heavy can you be bef- before taking up a lot of space becomes a bad thing. Like, how fat could you get in the NBA? But you still take. It's like it's like a nose tackle in the NFL. All miller. Heck, yeah. Some of those nose tackles are like, yeah. Takes three guys to block that guy. He's really valid. I'm like because you weighs four hundred pounds going to kill over tomorrow. Anyway. The almost now I Paul George. I'm in love with this season. I just absolutely from a from a two way standpoint from an the guy that thirty eight point four percent from three now and a team at guess sprit -ly needed that in me that if getting to the line at a really healthy rate. He's rebounding, I think he's been a I think it's a really up second side playmaker. They have nobody to can do that. Like he has been he has been fantastic and leaving him out as a starter is almost unconscionable to me. And then of course, there's rand, and I I don't think Durant needs much introduction. This is a guy who was very close to being fifty forty ninety guy right now, and I twenty eight point two points per game. You know, the wind shares forty eight favor Yokich, if we want to really dive deep so as does four I mean, I'm I'm inclined to go yoke it also. For historic reasons. I I just love playmaking run the offense threw him big. And again Denver success this season. It ain't that. Oh, they're they're super depot they've gotten some really nice graduation as they they've drafted really. Well, they've got big sustained a lot of injuries largely because of Yokich. This is a soup. This is a superstar on the number one and a half or two team this morning in the Western Conference. It's I'm going to. It's really difficult, but I'm gonna go Yokich. So so they are the number two team in the west. They're three games ahead of the thunder with the worst point differential. So I think it's fair to athlete how much better are they really thunder. Or do. We care are those three wins and losses. Really? Now, the thunder are slumping get some gave up one hundred and forty two points to the freaking hawks last night, I tended of -ly tentatively. So I disagree with you. I have LeBron coming off the bench because I just think again when you've missed now, he's missed these played thirty four games the Lakers fair. Now, he's missed eleven and counting and counting. So I'm I'm going to put him on the bench. I'm going Durant. Davis tentatively Paul Georgia, though. I might pencil Yokich Beck in there. I just think Durant is is just it's Kevin around. I don't really need a case for Kevin played every game. Right. He's he's a monster. AD is AD Yokich is actually. Interesting and that's going to be the first team center debate. Maybe Joel Embiid gets in there. First all NBA center debate. You know, there's a case to be made again given team success that that Yokich has had in. Well, I just don't think you can look at the numbers and say had a better season each just what is doing is ridiculous. But then you say why don't they win more? Why do they like if you look at the pelicans numbers AD plays without holiday? They're like minus some alarming amount. Like, yeah. I actually a couple of weeks. I was looking at that's weird. It's like minus twenty per hundred. It's not like minus five it's it's alarming. But I don't I I mean PG has just been so great on both ends for the thunder in in a season where Westbrook who has sumo talk about his not been himself for the most part. That's where I'm leaning. I don't mind if anyone puts Yokich over any of those guys two of them got to come off the bench. Okay. All five. I could I could very well concede every case, even including AB. Although I do think having you know, temperatures playing twenty minutes a game for your team, you are hampered. I wanna blame Davis for that. To the thing. That's really hurt. The pelicans is each one more has just vanished in part of it was he picked up a couple injuries that seem to sap him a little bit. But there was that two week period where he was regularly putting up between fifteen and a couple of games of thirty four. He looked like, okay. They have another guy here who can create some offense for them coming off screens hidden his little floaters, and that that is just. Disappeared. And when you take him out, and you take a mirror to out and Payton out, they just don't have anything in Randall Randall's trying his best scoring a lot. That's never going to be a problem to do loves to score. You just wants to rampage toward the rim and flicking little layups while he does judo kicks his feet, but defensively they're trying to have him guard for so a deacon STAN five he just can't guard fours. It's just an imperfect solution. Okay. Let's go to the bench. We have seven reserves. I I will start this part. I have five lakhs. Now, you may disagree. So we'll stop it the locks, but I have five lakhs here. They are locks number one and two are whoever you leave off the starting front court. So for me in parenthesis in pencil. That's Yokich and in Penn. That's lebron. It just seems silly little Brown's gonna call up the bench to the and that's funny. So so then I have Karl Anthony towns. Ruediger bear in Damian Lillard has locks and then I have to spots that are debate spots for me the will get to where. So so those are my five lakhs again Braun Yokich or we'll call them remainder number one in remainder. Number two towns. Go bare Lillard are any of those not locks for you do disagree. How have you proceeded? I have three locks as well towns Lillard, and it's funny because I get slammed for not, you know, buying into the whole mythology. But I have Russell Westbrook. Oh, very interesting. Kevin arnovitz. I do not have him as a luck. I will tell you where I have him shortly. Make the case make the case. Well, we can start with. Don't start there. Don't do. It. Don't do it. What you're gonna say everything triple double. No. I could give. Okay. So I I don't care about that. Now, they're really team as you said point differential, and it it's Paul George, and it's I mean where where are they getting grant I mean, holy cow. You know, it it's pretty amazing. What they're doing. You know, the production is there. I can't like I'm now the guy making the case for Westbrook after I put him like third and that big and BP three way harden two ironic that here I am just say. Yeah. Okay. I mean, look, but. Finishing your fifty percent. Are you holding your are you holding your nose physically as you? You're on the phone. I can't see you. Are you holding your nose? I mean, that's very difficult to do. I mean, you're, you know, now, it's funny. I had them in there. Now looking career low win fares for performing as exciting. You're going to back out. You're going to back out live on the air. I'm trying to think I did this. I've been doing this and laugh greed as I'm trying to remember my rationale, but I had them in there. And you know, what I can't really defend other than it's it's okay? The they've overachieved he be put up production, albeit not terribly efficiently. This is funny, and it's kind of embarrassing on a national podcast many downloads. But it's it's hard. It's shows you how hard this is. This is hard PDF. I think this is easy. What it is easy in the scheme of life because it's sports. It's fun. It's not like, I'm I'm were sitting here reckoning with real things that are actual consequence. But it's it's actually these actually hard choices. And this is why I stopped taking Twitter. All of Twitter's just you said this thing, I didn't like about my team fuss. You hate my team or you haven't watched my team like no actually design only get twelve tarred. Sorry. Well, I didn't I. That bad twenty two point eight percent from three it's the worst ever know it. It's the worst. This is a rough MRs erupting. I mean. But I you know, I said it's a keep it, by the way. Can we talk about Damian versa? You didn't have him as a did you go? Bare remember lock, Tom. I have towns Lillard nocco bear. Why have I have Dame? Okay. Sky of the twenty most efficient pick and roll combos this year among combos that I have one hundred twenty five that's together. You know, he has four of the top twenty. Yeah. I get you a mean to Leonard like like, we talk. This is a pick and roll era of the NBA point guard. This guy is so skilled as a half as a half the half court floor general, you know, their offense has been very nice this year. There has been much better than the results in terms of by the way in terms of Poland. Fascinating. There's still top two in the league and opponent shot quality in terms of stinginess. They just don't force turnovers and we've been talking about for years, but but Lillard is just so good. And it's funny. You know, he was he was a solid fifth and the VP voting, you know, Portland takes a lot of heat. They they can't get over the home. I they're still just like hangover sweep sees having his best season. Lillard is unbelievable. And it's a testimony to curry and harden that there isn't we're not gonna have you know, the pick and choose debate. At that position. This guy is so good. And I just wanted to throw out some Lillard love because I just like the quality of tactician at that position is unreal. And I still love watching him play. So Portland Portland is we are now three weeks or so from the trade deadline is one of the I think under the radar really interesting. Teams to watch. Because Lillard has been unbelievable nourish is slumped lesser games. What is generally been very good McCollum as you said has been slightly disappointing. Does that Collins train kind of went off the rails a little bit in the like just just hasn't happened yet heartless? You Jackie Collins. I still do I still do. But I'm just saying in terms of what he's going to bring this year. I think they I thought I expected a little more. Heartless? You just don't know if you're gonna play every day Turner's find for what he is a menial is down to thirty three percent from deep and just as like, you know, you just don't know and teams are gonna leave him. I just but they're seven games over there scheduled for the rest of the season gets pretty easy. I could see them being more aggressive buyer at the deadline than people might expect. I think they're going to put their picking play. And I think they're going to try and get someone who really moves the needle whoever that is with Damon TJ, maybe not maybe that's a little strong. But I just think you mentioned the sweep hangover everyone there knows including Dame that people are going to wait to see it in the playoffs. And I don't necessarily think that's fair 'cause they had that one series against the rockets where he hit that all time shot to win the series. Then they had warriors warriors. And last year, obviously was at the buckle. Anyway, that's important thing listeners. You know, I like anything that saves me time time is my whole thing. And getting tickets online got to a point where it just got too complicated there hundreds of secondary market sites, and you just panicked. Oh my God. That I forget to check that one. All I've got to check those five other ones. 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That's my last name of this podcast L O W E today. That's promo code low for ten dollars off your first seatgeek purchase. Seek life's and event and we have the tickets. So do you have go bear in at all? Yeah. Go. So my final two, and it's a long list as I'm sure it is for you. Listed includes to by Harris, Galadari, go bare Mike Conley. Because dammit, Mike Conley. Gonna feel I come on. I mean, come on at some point. I mean, isn't it just like a lifetime achievement award or something dodgers on my list because I a pursuant to? He's which is he needs. No points you need. No cheesy, no public fascination, Sherry, and then there's Aldridge into Rosen or nominally on my list. And I normally because I've never been a huge fan of of either the game really love demars guy. But you know, they're on the list, and in there probably other severe I have go bear and Tobias Harris as my final two within appreciation that and you know, pelton, and I were talking about this on press row the other night, and he said he get correspondence with you still trying to figure out how Gallinari factors who had a fantastic season. When you really break down, some more granular numbers and Vance numbers there. There are metrics that say Gallinari in more valuable to the clippers this year Tobias who's just been unreal. They both been on real. And I do think in terms of teams because one of those guys have to go and go bare just when I started digging in just rated out so high, and I know we don't generally will work. Yeah. Go bear his head and absolutely mantra season. So it's funny. The team success thing with the clippers their one game ahead of the Spurs with the worst point differential. So if it if it applies to one of those guys. Like, it should also apply to the Spurs one of the Spurs. These are the things that I that I struggle with. I think the answer. Yes. But you only get twelve. And so I think the solution for me might be that it applies to. The Spurs are really interesting guy. The numbers in front of me right now for the season. They are essentially I'm going to get the wrong numbers of front you give it to seconds. They are with with derozen and Aldridge together on the court there plus twenty four for the entire season thirteen hundred minutes, which is essentially nothing. They're five hundred. And they are with neither of them on the court plus a hundred and twenty two in four hundred plus minutes like their bench has been really really good. And if you break down, you know, with one on one off I mean, they've played most of their minutes together. I just don't know what to do with that. In consideration for all star in applying that seem sort of well the team's been good. They should get one criteria. Yeah. I'm looking at actually pulled up now sort of player confines with the two clippers of the two Spurs and Justice, e you know, we now you you probably have left if you've left off west, correct? No Westbrook is going to make my team. Right. So now, we're basically down if you've got go bear on iron out choosing between one of the Spurs or clippers detect ones major towns on yours. Oh, yeah. Town. Okay. That's really online. I mean, he's he's just so here are the numbers for the Spurs derozen and Aldridge together. I just gave you it's it's plus nothing to Rosen derozen on. I'm sorry. Aldridge on without derozen, minus six point three for one hundred per hundred possessions, so bad to Rosen without Aldridge, minus four point five so bad. And then the bench like neither plus thirteen hundred possessions. Now, there could be some garbage time and all that factor in but the Spurs have been. You know, I think they've overachieved a little bit. Both those guys have been really good. I'm not sure there's a super iron clad case that either one should be an all star. That's where I came out. I just don't have Aldridge to rose visually with. So funny, though, is that question, you know, with count, which is, you know, every time you start breaking it out like, okay, let's filter by wind shears forty. Wow. Look at gaulan Ari little true shooting percentage. The guy the true shooting percentage of sixty three point two percent ungodly because I am nerd I made a little sketchy. I mean, a little spreadsheet with like twelve or thirteen borderline candidates in each conference. And I and I put like seven advance stats that normally I don't check all that much. But the cases are so close I was just curious wind shares and box, plus minus involved in VIPs and pips and PR's. And then I have a column summing them all up in the end, which is obviously imperfect. I can sort by either one and Gallo the case for Gallo. But just by just by watching the clippers all season. Just the eye test said to me that Tobias Harris was slightly more. Important to their teamed gallon Ari and the numbers he's fifty forty nine year close. Are there, but the advance statutes love gallon Ori love love love. It's not even close. I mean, it is. I'm one of those pages. It's just unreal. Like, they don't say that he's marginally better than to buy to say nothing of Aldridge into Rosen. They are saying decidedly better. But if you ask them the clippers who is the single most indispensable player on your team. I beg there's Tobias Harris. What they all. They all say Harrell like I was gonna say I'll bet you'd get more votes. More votes for mayor who Williams or Herrell than you would for either Gallo or Harris precisely because both of them are good enough and similar enough to cover for the other one in the event of an injury. Whereas they have no other Lou. And they certainly have no other Harrell. But the love affair organizationally. It is fine. I mean, the clippers organization loves their Auster. It is there it is sort of a happiest place on earth. I mean, I can't say I wasn't at the game. They lost its New Orleans the other night. But but it is just they they love their guys right now. And it's it's really interesting because obviously this summer the plan is to to upgrade. But yeah, I think I guess you could make case for Harold. But I I'm not going to certainly Gallinari. So I have Harris with no real conviction that he's decidedly better than Gallinari. If at all, but that is sort of my twelve pick of the sort of Spurs clipper pool of considerations. I'd love to include dodge because I loved onto who doesn't. But I you know, I kinda landed on Harris. And maybe I'm too deaf. Torrential to the fifty forty ninety eight is well, there's something about it. You know for all the novelties stats triple doubles, fifty forty nine. He's always been more my favorites. I it's called the Meyers Leonard award, but fifty forty nine. So I got to buy my twelve you know, who doesn't like Don to. That's not true might not like his prejudice anyways. Dennis Smith junior on the trade bloc. I wouldn't be. I look I get it the Intel on Dennis Smith has never been great. Maybe he just wants the ball all the time. And it has come to realization while we have disguised. It's better at all that stuff that me and six inches taller. And I'm just not going to get that in Dallas. And that makes me angry. You know, I it. So maybe internally the situation is just untenable in a way that I don't understand because I'm not living it as a member of the dowsman organization every year. Maybe they know they can get something really good for Dennis Smith. I suspect. That's not the case in the best. They can get is like a low lottery protected or worse first round pick. But we'll see I just on pure skill set. And I know the numbers with Smith dodgers together have been bad the numbers with dodge. But without Smith have been good. I just wouldn't be so quick to give up on it. Again, not knowing how untenable it is. Like, I want multiple ball-handlers. I want a guy with the size profile to defend opposing point guards. I like Dennis Smith is a catch and shoot catching Dr explosive catching Dr guy off the ball who maybe. Can can do some stuff with second units as the league? Like, I I like the outlines of that. And I'm not sure that I would be as quick to punt on it. As the Mavericks are again, not knowing everything that's happening there. I assume they're atmospherics and all kinds of weird stuff going on. Because again, I just era where every coach tells you we need multiple like playmakers on the floor at all times. I it just again somebody marshalling our second unit. I he will become if he how good is he catching shoot. I haven't looked at those his threes are up to thirty eight percent this year after thirty one percent lineup assume catch and shoot is better. But I will pull it up. Now, I checked as a couple of weeks ago. I remember it being good. But I check a lot of things all sort of to me if I'm Orlando or Phoenix. I just jump at it. I mean, I protect any pick. But I just think they're basically three teams right now that need point guards badly Orlando Phoenix in the third not be as obvious. But I've been watching a lot of Detroit Pistons basketball and Reggie Jackson was perfectly cast in Oklahoma City. He is a very serviceable. Backup point guard this league the lack of guard play Detroit is absolutely destroying that team. And it it's excruciating to watch the manufacture possession. And so, and I I always said Blake is your best transfer. And he is like like, by leaks. Inbound that's probably need to have somebody who was a perimeter who can actually generate good looks for other people in the nobody is a black hole but ball just drips around the perimeter into Blake who gets immediately double it is it is so ugly. And and just in the problems were Detroit is they just don't have their spreadsheet is so unforgiving right now. Like, they don't have a lot of assets. They have hunt a bad contracts. A ton of marginal guys that I can't imagine anybody is interested in and it goes on forever. This is not a. Is opening up space next season? And it is they desperately need someone like, you know, Dennis Smith would immediately become by leaps and bounds point the best perimeter player on that team bullet guy. I am on the book. But obviously doesn't he hasn't had any attributable pointer pointer. He's a good player. It is just. Yeah. Then Dennis Smith judgment here, and there sometimes he can hold the ball too long. And this like Joan here's he's young. He's young. I wanna get back to all, sir. I don't want. I'm gonna put Russ in probably in here. And here's why it's it's interesting the experience of just watching these guys, and I've geared my last ten days of game watching lemme find these borderline guys watch him as much as possible before I make my picture, you just you just feel Russ every possession in a way that you don't feel Mike Conley, Andrew holiday and all the other candidates that name you just have to deal with him and his physicality every single trip and his ability to just get at the rim almost whenever he wants. And that just has to have some sort of psychic toll on the other team. They'd like fear factor. Now, he bills you out a lot of those possessions with these jump shots that are not going into a rate. That is scary. And so you ask yourself well because he's always doing stuff am I giving him too much credit for doing? Stuff. When a lot of what he's doing is hurting his team or there's these errors of commission and my over penalizing. Yeah. Mike Conley was just on the floor for five minutes. And you know, he had a couple nice pick and roll within floated around over here. And like, I didn't notice maybe I'm over punishing errors of mission or whatever. But I just think Russ is just his ability to get to the basket and manufacturer easy shots for Stephen Adams, Jeremy grant, and you look at their team. They only have two guys who can create shots. Well, Schreuder I guess third coming off the bench. But like they just don't have a lot of good offensive players on their team and the numbers with with Russ on. And Paul George offer are now a slight positive efforts starting negative. I think there's enough there that leaves my last spot, and I don't know what I'm going to do yet. But there's Mike Conley Jrue holiday Klay Thompson making a late push Donncha joe-marie. I'm crossing off both the clippers both the Spurs. Capelle at an interesting case before he got hurt. We haven't talked about Darren FOX who I think actually has an interesting case booker's team is too bad. News miss too, many games. I might be leaning to drew holiday that. Crazy. I loved her. No. It's not crazy. I might be leaning to him over both the clippers and both the Spurs. And I guess this is what's this is why the team success thing is knowing Nestle because like do the pelicans deserve to that doesn't seem fair, blah, blah, blah. You know, they're now only three games behind the Spurs in the loss column, you know, their four games on the clippers like they've been significantly worse. They're put differential actually is better than the clippers and equivalent with the Spurs which shows you how bad they've been in close games. They are complete like like tire fire isn't strong enough there at tire conflict Daration. They're like multiple tired junkyards of fire when holidays on the bench. I could be swayed to either of the clippers. I probably would put both the clippers over the Spurs. I probably would put Aldridge over to Rosen if I had to pick a spur at this point. I think he's passed Amar given his offense a play of late and his vastly superior defense. I just don't know it. I kind of keep coming back to drew holiday. I just wish you shot threes. Little better. Let's go to the ready go. So you don't think that's crazy. That's okay. Not at all. I mean that that it's a tough call. Let's go to the least conference junior varsity. You wanna give your five starters? I I soon that four of them are pretty easy choices. And by that. I mean, kyri Irving Jaanus Colli Embiid, which leaves one guard spot in a mmediately. You're like, oh my God. It's supposed to do with this. I actually I have I have a space between those store names and the rest of my list here. Yeah. Okay. So the four easy. Those are easy. I have I have in in a racial pin a second guard. Do you have even gotten that far you still in? So I do and info the on on the service. These are my sort of finalist for the star k Kemba Walker Ben Simmons, you know, all the people would have been the easy pick. But Kiev miss games. He clearly still recovering so numbers of slumped. And look I and I kind of sided, and I I know that every day anytime you tune into any NBA conversation. They're basically people killing Benson's for everything. He can't do how he's going to torpedo their chances in the guy. You don't have to him. And no one. Talks about the things that guy does do you wanna lineup Kemba Ben by I've Kemba Walker. I mean, they'll know this is not a I don't want anyone to interpret this any Dighton on Kimba walk like, I love watching people doing Turkey. I want arnovitz Walker as a headline because the entire Charlotte Hornets nation is gonna stupid I'm going to go Windhorst. Now, do you know stupid some of these aggregates are so I wrote this column about Simmons and the Sixers last week. I don't know if you saw, but it was about the all of these things. And I said if if the Sixers ever got to the point where they wanted to trade, Ben Simmons from multiple shooters playmakers like if that was the model of deal they wanted if then something like Jamal, and Gary Harris would be would that's like the apex of that. I saw you write that I saw on trades at the bottom of the column. And I said he is going this is not going to end. Well, so so so if that's like the apex too young good shooters Murray is going to be a very good shooter. He's only thirty three percent from deep, and he's going to be very very good. And they can both play me. That's what you want. The next sentence is Phillies not doing it. And Denver would never do that. Because they would risk the good vibes of their season. And still there again of low suggests nuggets to trade for Benson like no, no anyway. So you're going Ben Simmons is your is your second. Starting look I mean in here's what I think it would be deceptive guy who can't shoot who has the better shooting percentage Simmons by by bite reap and bell. And then you'll hear well, that's all he does is get Dunxin lab. So yeah, if you can get seven dunks game that's pretty good in dunks count. I mean, they don't count for three they count for two. And they're they're pretty decisive for you wanna do the nurse that Simmons is they love him defensively. I don't even think one's ally ability once and asset and so for all the the Simmons eight that is out there this year. And I look I I think their issues I think it's something that Sixers are always going to kind of have to account for. But Ben Simmons is the second best guard in the Eastern Conference of the NBA. And so he is my other starter. I don't think that's I don't really have issue at that. Actually Defense has been a little worse this year than it was last year where he where he I think exceeded expectations. But it just his position versatility alone is worth a lot on that end. I don't have him as a starter. I have him as an absolute lock to make the team. So who who really cares you haven't named my my again, this is written in somewhere between raceable pen. I said you haven't even named the guy I have in a reasonable pen. Right now is the second guard. Driving the other guards. I have my Miami. I talked about depot, but Beal Butler. There you go. I have I have Bradley Beal in Orissa bullpen. As the second starter. I just think he's been phenomenal all season. What's happened to the wizards like negative one hundred percent because of him. They are actually good when he plays including without wall and absolute terrible. When he doesn't he's quietly putting up like twenty five five and five I'm comfortable with that choice. I do think that Simmons complete lack of jump shot is a real thing that critics are. It's fair to criticize it it's fair to wonder how that impacts one's ability to build a team around him and specifically to build this particular team Joel Embiid and now Jimmy Butler. So, but but statistically, he's probably been better than build this year. But I'm going to Bill. Okay. I soon all the depot made reserves. Yeah. I have. So I kind of like the Western Conference is gonna staggered. I have I have five lakhs as reserve reserved include Bill Kemba Blake Griffin boot in Olivo. So we have the same. We have this effectively. We have the same ten lakhs just have Symington Bill flipped around stars. Yeah. My other locks are Blake Griffin, Nicole of which which and I was surprised. I mean, I know intuitively is having a great season. His done are just off the freaking charts including plus minus in Orlando's net rating with him on the floor. And I mean, it is just if for people who are going to say team success. Why are the magic so bad? They're almost in the playoffs which in the east is not argue, right? Let me ask you a question back. So you're the Orlando Magic and management and ownership want to host to play off games, you know. And this happens every year with some bubble teams. You know? Especially in the east where you know, you probably could even maybe sneaking forty wins might even get you a two home games. And those games earn you revenue. It's it's real is just it's great for Dole's or anything else like, you know, two and a half million. I mean, it is real revenue to teams who need revenue. You also is there a market for what are the phone calls to Wellman in Hammond? Sound like are there teams that actually look at this guy who's firing and say, you know, what we would gladly part with a, you know, reasonable asset. Can you imagine this guy, you know, in a team that needs one more? Of versatile. Score a pig who can stretch drive and the bad passer. I mean, like, I mean, if you're I mean, you're Boston. I it's it's like I'm just wondering surely their teams out there looking at this guy in FANG, you know, in a really competitive playoff feel the difference maker really like one of the fifteen best off into the players in the game right now. Like, so how how do we we conceive of this? I mean is it is that happen Orlando is it just like forget it we wanna make playoff. So there are top five most interesting trade deadline team, not only because of which but because of Ross and on an expiring. Terrence Ross Terron scary Ross. And I, you know, at some point they're going to entertain the idea of trading, Gordon. That's why they signed him to that descending contract that will increasingly turned into a bargain, and they just have to arrive at a place where it's like we're forty games into the season. Boy, I mean, if you're really going to go all in on bombo and Isaac started play it. I mean, you are you are embracing pain. You are embracing minimum the next season and a half is the worst team in the NBA because those guys aren't ready and don't expected them to be ready future. Which is really good. I bet Steve Clifford wants to make the playoffs even more than the front office there. That's another part of the dynamic. So so I think they've value not only as a player, but like as a bridge player like I don't think they would mind re-signing, which I given how far not far behind. But how far those other guys have to go and Ditto for Gordon the team. I've wanted to get all season. I even wrote about it in the preseason. If you could find a way to get him on the Lakers, I would get so so excited to watch the Lakers because this is what upset over and over. Again, we keep seeing the sit before Tyson Chandler, we said, well, they they don't have enough shooting. And they don't have enough centers. Why can think of a couple of guys who bring you both one of whom you had on your team, and is now shooting twenty nine footers for the freaking bucks. And you just didn't seem to care about very much, and which is another one. But I just you know for a team that saving straight assets for something else and doesn't have a lot of super exciting stuff to offer other than those things. And even those things aren't that exciting. I don't know what the deal is. It is to think about you're right. It works. You know, only twenty eight. I mean, he's got his next contract. We'll still keep them squarely as prime even good shape. He's just a fascinating player. Never even marooned in Orlando. And I do you think doing that? It is always an interesting as we know about gold state. Nobody wants to help them out. It's twenty nine on one. No owner wants to be party to sort of enabling the warriors to do anything. We have the Robin Lopez which way Shen do we feel the same way? If they're if they're bias other than San Antonio, obviously there is are teams that would be like an Orlando. That'd be reluctant to move him to the Lakers or they're not enough of a threat to really warrant. If there's an asset there, they'll take it. I don't know what the Lakers deal Landau land chick are in a position to to turn up their nose at any deal with anybody after being completely irrelevant for the last five or six years, then God bless them. They should they whatever they think is best for the franchise. They should do without concern for any of these things. I mean, if you're instructed deal Lakers, obviously, they're not gonna train expiring. They'd rather. Have pooch Casey Pete? So there's no KCBS somehow trade asset motivation that trade mooch, it's because you get future assets back. You get either a player on a good deal. You get a pick or series of whatever it is trying to start to deal, but we're getting our. That's why I said it's hard because the stuff they don't the stuff that they would trade Orlando doesn't want and with Casey p you have to. Remember who is agent is. And what that means all that. Let's consider the secret life of the Imos nesting dole living most of her life in the dock inside the other nesting Dole's. She has plenty of time to think if could sadly, she has no brain, however, winning in a most nesting dole, his gyco not only saves people money, but also has been providing great service for over seventy five years. She thinks it's obvious. You should switch because. Yes, twitching is a no brainer pity in a most nesting Dollond her lot in life. You look at the teams that are going to be motivated to trade for a center now. The rockets become interesting if if they get in trouble here or Capella is going to be out longer than than previously thought they've already shown a willingness to trade picks willy nilly if need be, but I mean, there's just not many other teams that are motivated to win. Now that that that need centers or wanna move centres. So so back to all star. So we have ten locks in these to review they are kyri Irving, Bradley Beal, Janas Kawai and bead Blake Griffin vote. Ola depot Kemba Walker and Ben Simmons that leaves two spots to spots, my friend. We got. You know? I I have some interesting choices. I mean, obviously, I Chris Middleton Jimmy Butler. I'm sorry. I also have J Rettig as a potential here, you you could go a real case, you know. I don't know if there's ever been a situation where guy like bonus can even get consideration given. You know, he he's under thirty game. Can I can I can I use your mentioned him as as a quick tangent? For you. First of all, I don't think. So I love I love so bonus. You just couldn't build a player like a passing big men with a little bit of nasty streak dunk on people just worship at the same. I just as on principle. I it as a reserve your playing so many of your minutes against opposing reserves that I just don't think you should make an all star team that set. So here's a question for you. The Pacers are third in east team success, blah, blah, blah. Right. So you kinda wanna like is there a way I can get another pacer in there. Who's the second best player on the Pacers? So I I'm miles Turner guy. I don't think that's the answer fad has been hunt track. Your sad young. I mean contract your that is a whole he has been. I don't think he is the second best player. He has been the player, but it's a tough question. I think. Player which is why I have to it can be any of sabinas bogdonovich, who's just absolutely rock-solid and shooting the hell on the ball and Turner and one of the stories of the season is remember they couldn't they I mean, literally they could not win without all the depot last year. They were Owen, whatever when he rested, and they actually whether his injury very well this year. I think the way he's played defense. I think it actually might be Turner as much as I sort of enjoy watching the other play a little bit more his defense. I mean, he has made a huge leap in terms was full work, his timing. It's he gets no attention in the defensive player of the year conversation because there's I think there's a perception of well, he was so far behind last not behind, but he was so far away from that conversation last year, despite the high block totals and all the highlights stuff that he he can't possibly in its share, and you have bear. And and Draymond Paul, George and all these high wattage kind of names. I kinda think he belongs in in that conversation. He's right now on my on my all defense team. Although to some around with this hour's because of do it, let me I'll tell you some other names Bledsoe, Seok them or also Andrew and Andre Drummond. No, drums, I'm out on hundred German. All sir. I I don't I don't love the I got an eastern of this consideration list. But. You know it rates, and I just. You know, it would be tough to have a second pissed and given what they are collectively. But this has been really tough for me. I mean, I kind of comes down to I mean leading Butler Middleton even acknowledging that I think Middleton hasn't had the season. I I was hoping he'd up and by the way, I think the thing with Middleton where I'm very sympathetic. He's a guy who was traditionally liked to lower shots are coming from that. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that kind of player a planner as a planner as an I n t j like, I appreciate this. And I think it has been you know, talking with Chris off line spending time with them. And he didn't say there's any kind of complaint. This was that. That series of really good game since you're saying is he loves the new system. He loves what it's doing on the results speak for themselves, individually, read and react system. It's not the what he's a high Q player. It's not that. He doesn't know how to read it. Yeah. It's just when you play in bud system, you don't necessarily know possession possession where you're shots are coming from. Yeah. There are play calls on occasion. But it is it is you just don't know and certain guys require a certain comfort level, and they do like a script. They're not improv players, and I think Middleton is becoming one, but it has been a complete adjustment to who. Is. That said the numbers are quite quite good for Middleton. There's a typical case for Middleton. I think defensively he's not what you know. I think the walkie coaching staff thinks he can be, but he'll. Get there. You know, it's but. I mean in my mind getting Butler name ID preferen- fear. Well, I I am on principle disqualifying Butler. I just I don't after it because I just don't think you get to sabotage your team or participate in the sabotage of your team for fifteen games in a particular season. Remember, you're talking to someone who I'm really just looking mostly at these, you know, pelton considers track record a lot more than I do. I'm mostly looking at these forty five games fifteen of them or whatever he spent participating in the ruination of the Minnesota Timberwolves. I just and really doing it in sort of. A scorched earth way. I just don't think you get to do that and force a trade and immediately caused some rumblings in your new place that uh-huh. Something's happening. I just don't think it to all that make the all star team that year you just get one year off you go in the skills competition work on the bounce pass through the tire. Okay. Work on the bounds. Fester tire. We're just you don't get into time out corners. You don't get in this year not on my ballot. You can come back next year and get on your one of the twelve players in the east. I think I don't really let the world on fire and Philadelphia, I maybe that's unfair. But for me, I'm not he's out to sure. Who doesn't get a real boat? I'm surprised you. Generally, don't entertain these kinds of arguments. What do you mean? What are you all the more reason? I love it coming you. Oh, I see. I mentioned I noticed. One name has not come up at all. Even in your others receiving votes list. Here is Kyle Lowry. I, you know, I wrote this, and the, you know, the power rankings every week, which is the most substantial thing I do. But it is interesting. You really dig and you spend fifteen twenty minutes team going through wanted wrote was Lowry's back it's coming sided with this win streak. And no matter how you slice and dice the Toronto. Raptors I don't care if he's three for eleven with nine assists like his sheer presence on the floor. And I don't know there's a player who's you know, day to day production is more divorced from out of that positive. My simply doesn't even matter. Spend two issues producing wrong numbers on the night weakling free. He is so essential to there and the live either statistics, and so I actually had on there. But I think people in was. It's good handle. Frankly in some of the games he's been in. You know, when playing hurt the pack with ever, it might be like he hasn't been his full self. And so I left him off fully acknowledging that the you know, the the ever present Kyle Lowry one. It isn't hurt or hasn't missed games is a shoe into my list. This qualified him. The spooky moulder contingent of raptors fans are coming for you watch out watch like I covered them in the playoffs last year as a matter of our kill. Kill. I will tell raptor. I just said like this guy is unbelievable purely this game thing was gonna be getting expensive. There's like looking on my window in Los Angeles and seeing like Jurassic Park out you fly to Toronto next when you get in that pass four lineup Pearson airport. Can I say the Toronto fan how much more do I go on you're going, then this is the most cloud policy in America? I have requested Toronto playoff time. It really calling shit. So I could spend a month with league hitting in April. Like, I love your restaurant. I love your demography. I love everything about I like little airport near town. Porter air, you know, whatever I love everything about it. And I love Kyle. I've got I've been sort of a Kyle Lowry guy. And again, this is this is a testament him. I have to leave them all I think the miss Dame's sort of the game that he didn't necessarily miss, but sort of clearly, you know, suffering from injury. It is purely that is the only factor because if you're telling me the twelve guys were most important to their teams, but whose presence on the floor produces excess the answers Kotla. Yeah, he's in. So not not this year. We'll wrap with this. I don't know what I'm going to do. I think he's the most difficult and interesting all star candidate in a long time. Because everything you said is true. He's almost so he comes out of the season. Like, a lightning bolt just playing out of his mind out of out of his mind. Then it slows down a back injury. Now, it's almost like he's almost playing possum like he's almost going out of his way, not to exert his influence on the game offensively in the ways that we that. Russell Westbrook does like he passes out of shots. He passes out of driving opportunities any passes other guys into great shots. And there is something. And yet all the advance stats even with that level of pet city all of them paint him as a no-brainer candidate. And even the ones that that relied to some degree on like volume and usage still love him. And the other ones the ones that are like. Minus adjusted plus minus they paint him as an MVP candidate. There's just something about the way he moves on the floor. And I think those numbers are capturing like, he's always emotion. He's always cutting. He has an enormous amount of gravity. He's a smart passer. He's a smart inside out passer. He makes productive Paseo. Very good defender. I think the numbers are capturing just sort of his floating value around the floor. Keep just he's just kind of always on his toes and moving and doing stuff, and it's helpful. Now, the dilemma is if you put him in I had one front office guy put it like this. The advance stats make an enormous case for pass Calcio enormous. I had one front office guy. I bounce this off a million people say, look, I get it all get everything you're saying if you if we as a league, and you as voter not a voter roster picker with north already have arrived at a point where PASCAL Siaka makes an all star team over Kyle Lowry. It's just dumb one guy is better than the other guy. One guy means more to his team than the other guy, but Lowry's missed X amount of games Kawais missed I think eleven games maybe ten their absences have not overlapped to the degree that they're both out at the same time at a whole bunch. And so who lifts up to be the second guy who lives up to the point that they're almost the second guy like all the time for the raptors this season in terms of bringing the ball up initiating the offense creating for others defending five positions, PASCAL Siaka. And then you get to the point like can I have both of them. Because if I got both in Toronto's got three in Milwaukee got one and now, I'm just up my own, and I don't know what to do. So that's where I am. Very hard. And I love the I mean, I feel like president Siaka fan club. He's being members of great his influence on the on the game is great. I'm probably going to settle. I'm not gonna be as putative with Jimmy though. I like the conduct either. And I'm probably going Jimmy Middleton with with absolute consideration that by the way, Eric Bledsoe should be a candidate here. Eric Bledsoe's case by the numbers is stronger than Middleton's. But I think Middleton, I it's it's the his advanced numbers are better is most of his numbers are better. I just think that Middleton again has because of his shooting, and because of his positional versatility just in his ability to spot up post up pick and roll, blah, blah, just has a little more of that kind of floating value than blood like when I watched the bucks. I feel Middleton's impact is more indispensable than Bledsoe's. But if you look at the bucks brogden been unbelievable their whole starting. All five of them have had fantastic seasons. And then off the bench. They're getting stuff from sterling Brown, DJ Wilson and George hill. And you know, I mean, I'm Snell's been good L E Silva went healthy been good. I mean, they are again another team. That's like maybe they really only have one all star in eleven good players. Maybe that's what it is. And the raptors conversely, the raptors depth. We mentioned the injuries to the top guys vanfleet. First six weeks were bad Dhillon. Right hasn't found himself JV's hurt. They're playing Monroe CJ miles is gone. Norm Powell was gone until the last two weeks their bench, which was the strongest one to their team last year has fallen apart. Like, I don't think you can look at the raptors and say, they're winning with depth away. The bucks are. No. And it's actually funny. I, you know, it's almost Rochard tests in the sense that you're looking at Bledsoe Middleton. You're absolutely right. We have gotten to a point where when I look at a perimeter player. Why am I is I go to three point percentage as if that's the Indo Beal definition of who of an effective perimeter guy being a one or two or three like it's so interesting, right? Because you look at you look at Bledsoe. And you say up thirty point. I mean, we make we make an allowance for Russell Westbrook. We just do for whatever reason the overall production, everything you said and your Russ pain. But you're right. I mean, look, it's very interesting Bledsoe, all the other thing. Let's consider is. He might be the best defensive point guards in the league right now. It's it's that old Bledsoe. We saw that you know, early on with the clippers. You know, we were when he was you know, he was. The backup to Chris Paul. That's what we were talking future. NBA first team defend. This is one of the best ball defenders. The league is position the length the strength the feet everything anytime showing that now Middleton, you're right. There's something whether it's the versatility, whether it's the size at the position that we defer make you know, so if Butler Middleton with great consideration to these other guys, and then, you know, what your you know, what you're going to get you know, what you're gonna get rounding conversations at the point that you brought it up to the point that you brought up earlier, you're gonna get how this this is the perfect encapsulation of what you said, how dare you? Kevin arnovitz give the raptors one and the Sixers three. And I don't necessarily think that argument because the Sixers five to fifteen our garbage. And so they need all three of those guys to lift up their four if you include JJ. But I I am on some level that just kinda makes me feel like. No, I I hear you. I hear you. I mean, so the the flip rebuttal to that. This is not the United Nations. Okay. Isn't that a represented taking we're taking individual players rating them on their individual merit? We're taking into sub account team success. We're taking some account reputation frac record, it's cetera. But at the end of the day is not a Representative body. However with you makes me feel a little itchy. Maybe you're Butler. You know, banishment time out owner is is the right way to go. If nothing else to solve this problem. I grant you everything which means, you know, obviously, you know, we've dropped Rettig. But again, lowering the problem in terms, miss games and sort of raw production, and then you got back to Siaka, which is hey, are we really very we're Siaka. But let me question. What y'all come as just sort of Draymond green s is it was. Grandma, always included because he was a warrior because they substantiated having that many guys because he's just so ridiculously 'cause you know, Siaka this kinda doing the best team in the east Draymond this prime dream on this kind of thing. So the idea that oh we can't have all star game. If a guy without sort of. That that that that thing that we expect from all stars that sort of thing or whether it's score. Yeah. Scoring or and go bears case just sort of all around dominance for seventy percent of the game. We can't do that. I know you're right. It makes me feel that too. I think I think it should go all the way and put Radic into put four Sixers in screw Middleton. Now, it's four six four six one. Buck one wrapped put foreign there's no right answer questions. Screw Nick nurse. We're Brett Brown is coaching this game. I don't care where they are the standing I think that's why you should do. All right. That's the all star conversation for the year. Kevin. It's always good to good to chat. And it sounds like if I get good enough weather here in New York this weekend. I'll see in LA on Monday for the warriors in the Lakers, which will sure to be a a a calm and placid atmosphere staple center for warriors Lakers. Oh, yes. Next week circuits is in town. Thank you, sir. Thank you.

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July 23  Hour 2  The Bubble Crashers | Thursday Night Special Is Back!!!

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July 23 Hour 2 The Bubble Crashers | Thursday Night Special Is Back!!!

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You were saying he lost three hundred pounds. I don't think of that. I. Mean Listen. Joker was never like like you gigantic. But I mean I'm looking at him right now. He's talking about his diet and everything going into it, and he's definitely lost some I mean I'm still. I still think he lost ten plus easily. Even into the twenty but I guess we're know more. When we get to see this guy on the floor, which is next weekend we'll see the actual regular season games. Take Place, and there's footage all over online. If you want to go, check it out, but. As far as the actual games are coming. Mike Malone talking about that clunky lineup a little bit especially, the seven to. At least for one game bowl bowl. Yes, as a first game against NBA competition. And frame the ground during get sixteen ten with the six blocks is great, and we put them in the middle of his own trying to everything to him. Let him block shots. Get a really good job of that. I think he got tired of the game on which is to be expected. He played thirty two minutes. which was a team high? But you know he's only GonNa get better a lot of really good things out there proud of him, and obviously we'll have two more scrimmages and you'll. You'll continue to give up some opportunities to play to grow, and so learn against other MBA players. There's Mike Malone talking about bowl and. The opportunity to learn, and and this is where it's a fun challenge to for guys like Nicole. Yokich Jamal Murray you know. They are the stars of this team. But now you're kind of saying hey, can you also lead some young up and comers to? Because that's GONNA. Make the difference. It's GonNa make things mighty interesting at that power forward slot going forward. Ah after the season. Because? You know when you look at their contracts. We know Paul MILLSAP was was signed. For last year but What does that look like for, do they? Do they sign him to another one year deal, so he can finish his career. I'm not sure but you. So you have plumlee coming up at the end of the season to their backup center at this stage, but again you see him play on the floor, a lot with joker And then. You know they WANNA get these. Some of these guys taking care of. I'll be really curious. Jeremy Grants got the one year, but that's the the the player option of course so. Does he decide to test free agency, and then, what does that look like so you're going to have questions coming out. And what that all looks like? Because if Bulbul actually. Didn't listen. I'll pump the brakes on myself right now. That was one game, and it was a summer camp game. And it was a weird lineup. Strange so I? Don't know how much you WANNA put stock into that. Maybe none at all. But they drafted him for a reason and he again. He's seven two and he can move. That already gives him the leg up on people. So let's just say let's just play the hypothetical game if ball ball actually is a stud. What does that mean? For for Paul MILLSAP. Because, if both going to play power forward, because obviously jokers not going anywhere at your center. You Go Bobo Pass forward. What Jeremy Grant. Again this is all very hypothetical because right now when you look at this roster. You're going Jeremy. Grant player option, but even though he won't take it, 'cause I, mean he's GonNa pay probably gets paid more than that. He Go-. He won't take it, but he's still. That doesn't mean he doesn't signed with the nuggets you know. That he actually that the nuggets and him, they work something else out. And so again he signed the deal. The the three year deal back eighteen with the thunder. He was traded to the from the and last summer. But you've got the twenty twenty. One is a player option so whatever the nuggets in grant decided to do at that point. I'm thinking. He stole the future there. That position still very young. So you go him, he starts at power forward that probably it'd be Paul millsaps thirty five years old these. By far the oldest guy on this team. So you're probably okay moving on from him, but you still had the question mark as to well. Paul maybe could do one more year maybe two and then retire, but he's going to have to be a bench. millsaps talked about that I don't think he. Dempsey's told us in the past. I don't know if MILLSAP has has issues coming off the bench, but now if Bobo starts role in this bubble. Nuggets look at that and say aright. Jerry Grant Starts, and we go with Bowl Bowl backup power forward. Maybe swing man to the center position. And then. What do you do with? Plumbly? Plumlee is coming up to the contracts that are coming up for the nuggets for twenty for the twenty twenty one season Paul, millsap Mason Plumlee, Tori Craig, You Got Novon lay. I'm not sure what they'll do there. And I think that's I. Think at PJ does and Troy Daniels up to, but of the let's just let's just simplify this of the guys that actually are important to this roster on a daily basis at least this last season, Torrey Craig. Mason Plumlee Paul Millsap, and then you have the question mark with Jeremy Grant. And then there's the other thing, do you? Can you go big? Can you go Jamal Murray and Gary Harris? And do you do you consider Jeremy? Grant Bulbul Nicole Yokich lineup. And then you still you know, but that would keep will barton as a non-starter. He's got a player option in twenty one twenty two so I I mean trust me. All this is done and again it's fun to be talking basketball game, but I I'm really excited to see how these guys are used especially when you get the full lineup because I. Don't know that Bobo is GonNa play thirty two minutes every single game. But you're going to see you're going to see him. Get a shot view. Play like that one game in you know you're. You're definitely going to get a shot. First advantage text line, three, one, nine, nine, six, three, one, nine, nine six. You're watching the clip just like I am. Kevin Durant six A. Six ten six seven six zero. He said Yeah So. He built I mean Bobo is a skinny guy. So i. mean the argument of all. If you're too skinny now, that doesn't really work. Because look at Katie. Does Bobo move kind like Katie. Sure Yeah I mean he Scott, the can handle the ball pretty well for that tall my goodness. But the blocking. It's crazy I mean. Y- The blocking of it is just you see lot of tall guys get blocks, and they swat it out or whatever, but he's like so. He's got a touch for the baskets blocks just enough so and just get a little on it, so he can just clip it out of the sky, and then spent floor and open up twice. You see him open up just. dribbles the ball from coast to coast. Paul's hits the three. I mean that's that's a big. That's a big time luxury to have. So. Again. You go summer camp here. We see what happens when we actually get to regular season, but if in eight games you walk away after eight games of the regular season and say. Yeah Bo Bo's legit. Is that mean. That's the end of Paul MILLSAP. Now all ask Dempsey then. He'll laugh at me because I'm doing the drew lock thing here. But a basketball. Basketball a lot of times man in a rookie year. You know you know. And for football players for quarterbacks specially with five games, maybe not but again I I. Sizable Bowl a plus. From what we actually got to see. What will be next you know now. He's gotTa answer those questions. Listen I I was I, thought he and Michael Porter Jr. both steals out of college because they were both hurt lay. They both got hurt early in their career. And teams passed on him. And I think the guy MPG MPG late in the first, and then they took Bobo the next year late in the second. So as a nice steal sixteen minutes after the hour we're going to catch up with Chris Dempsey about the to TV and then I have my Thursday special first one in nearly five months I'm looking for win number seven six and four. Obviously I'm over five hundred. I'll look continue that on the other side. We'll be right back. This is the whole show powered by PDC energy. Live from the auto collision specialist studio. Know Coast home for the rockies is thirteen ten F. K. A. Get your day studied right with today's news. Weather and sports mornings with Gail Six am to nine am weekdays on thirteen ten K. F. K. A.. Hi, I'm done director about politics at the University of Northern Colorado and you're listening to the whole show. Thirteen ten KFI K. A.. Twenty minutes after the hour. Now I'm excited. That was cool. Seeing all those clips I, mean all right. We Got Chris Dempsey on the program from altitude. TV Chris I. Feel like the world's biggest hypocrite today because yesterday. Saying. Hey, slowdown on the drew lock hype. Everybody's freaking out about drew lock I can't help it man. I'm freaking out about Bulbul today after a smaller sample size from him that I see Andrew Lock going nuts. Funny, Because I was just saying to somebody earlier today, I said you know. You. Don't WanNA get too excited. When you see, there's been plenty of very good debuts players overtime, and you know you just have to wait to see what they're going to turn out to be but like. How okay having said that. How could you not be? Night. What we all saw yesterday and I. Think for me. It is a little bit of validation from what I was able to see film study from what he did in at Oregon. And then you know I was able to see some of his workouts when he wasn't actually practicing with the team and I I was I I've been very impressed with him for probably. Probably over a year now it's like wow. I can't believe the skillset that this put this player has and I can't wait for people to be able to see it and then yesterday you know not only. Did he fulfill everything that I thought he might be, but I thought he was even more impactful than that and listen, he's he can only get. Every day is not going to be a great day on the court, but you know what here's what you showed us to shoot three he can run the court. He's GonNa Block all the shots. he's GonNa rebound the ball as well and I. You listen. That is invaluable and fourteen. Here's where I think the nuggets are going to have decisions to make. You know obviously defensively. They were struggling and one of the areas that they had been a little bit up and down was pointing the paint allowed. And just to see. What was going down yesterday six block shots. A T- turned away a couple of others. And then they were just a couple of times where players thought that they might have wanted to take a shot in the paint, and then just kept dribbling through, because that was not just going to be an option with Bulbul there in the middle and so I think defensively. Boy It's GONNA be. It's GonNa be hard. It's going to be very difficult decision for Michael Malone not to play him if he doesn't do that especially. If defensively he can be so valuable and then offensively it's not. He is not a liability. As a matter of fact, he is You know he's a dynamic offensive player as well so. you know there's a lot of wow in what we saw yesterday. And now for for him. It's you know what's build upon that and continue to learn the system and continue to play with his Get better with his teammates and you know well. We'll all be I. think we'll all be very interested observers. Of Bulb all in how he progresses. What's interesting, too, I mean. When like I said I'm freaking out about people? freaking out about drew lock. Going on this and what would I say? Bulbul already has the advantage seven to. Can Be. We've seen seven footers that are just like. Hey, the only reason you're in the NBA is because you're seven foot. This guy can can handle the basketball like a point guard. He can shoot I mean you. We saw small sample size in college, and this is why he was passed. On is because of the injury but the guy can move. The Guy can play, and he can do it at so many different levels, but what's interesting about his position, and we always talk a bit about with with joker and Nurkic that experience experiment a few years ago. It didn't work because joker with like more of a true center of whatever reason it didn't seem to quite work, but Bobo is not a true anything I mean he could do everything. Yeah Yeah. You know I think the you know. The difference. There is especially when I was in Denver. It's you know and their coach was very rude to the block, and and he was a very aggressive player offensively. So you know basically, if you through the through, nourish the ball on the block and he was probably going to be able to score, but you know it was dribbled triple-triple There was no real flow to the offense He was very traditional at the time. Obviously he's she's expanded. His ran a little bit With his jump shot there with the Portland Trailblazers, but and then also at that Ti- that same time I. Think Nicole Yokich was. you know he wasn't? A very aggressive offensive player so if they were on the court at the same time. Merkich is demanding the ball because he is very offensive, aggressive player, and then you know so you had Nicole Yokich. Just kind of fade away, and you didn't want a player of that talent in that versatility. To become you know just any other guy on your team because you knew what kind of I could have if he was the guy, but when as long as he was playing alongside a player that was way more aggressive than him He was going to defer to that guy, and so they had to make that move You know to be able to know free Yokich up to be himself now. What's happened in the interim? Here is yoga grown into an elite basketball player is confidence has grown. He's the leader of the basketball team, and he carries himself that way now, so see. From the standpoint of mentally he's in the mentally. He's in a different space, so there's nothing there's not a player that you can put on the court with Nicole Yokich. That he looks at in going to defer any any kind of way to because he understands who he is. What is production means, and that he is the leader of the team now having said all of that, he's also the most unselfish player out there, so we we know he likes to keep the offense moving. He likes to make good decisions with the path, and he is more than willing to let somebody come out and score and then he will fill in whatever else needs to be filled in so It's it's. To me this from the standpoint of Boll is a guy that is a flow guy you can. You can get him on the move and get get him the ball. In a myriad of ways message, obviously with jokers ability to pass the ball and passed the ball with great vision in great precision in any angle, or even all the way down the court, if he kept rebound and just with the down the court so that works together and and you know bowl isn't rooted to the block as a matter of fact, I don't know that we have we saw I can't remember if we saw an actual post up like it. In a in a half court setting I don't know that we did. And, I don't think that that's exactly what he wants to be doing out there on the court. Anyway, so yes, these two. are going to Mesh perfectly together. and and I just don't expect that to be an issue in any. Shape or form? We're talking to Chris Dempsey of to TV now, obviously there. We gotta get to the game season. We got to see what the playoffs look like, but let's just play the hypothetical game. Let's let's say. Bobo carries this momentum and make some noise in the bubble and really starts to roll with this team suddenly the nuggets. The theme for the. They always have these good problems to have. Suddenly you know we. We talked about, MILLSAP, already who's coming up with the contract and we'll see what happens there, but. Jeremy Grant. What happens there? I mean and then there is potential to go big on the starting lineup I mean suddenly Chris. A lot of good questions, surrounding the nuggets in the future of some of these guys we already know can perform. Yeah, you know this is gonNA sound real homer. Shift me, but I think when. You know when all these young players. This young talent that they've drafted gets You know the requisite experience. I I think there is no doubt that this team is going to be a championship caliber basketball team. There's just too much talent too much versatility, and then now you're adding in things like rim protection, and just in and more shooting you know. There comes a point at which you're just that talented you're you have that many good players and you're? You're the kind of team that just cannot be denied in terms of getting very far in the playoffs and winning an NBA title and I just think that the nuggets have those guys. And really what amounts to being right now is. experience on the court with in the system in the NBA. You know. Maybe we'll even with Bobo just a little bit more strikes and you know just time with his new team and I think that will be fulfilled but yeah, the the nuggets have. Decision to make and and you're right, you know there are a number of guys with with contract situations and the that'll get all situated in probably October November this year and this a different kind of season but but for right now what they know they have is. Talent everywhere you know and even when you're talking about Paul, millsap. He's the best plus minus play cheap. You know he's the best defensive rating player on their team. He's the best you know so. You have veterans who knows how to get it done young players. You have to lead players and Jamal Mary and the color. Yokich And now you're mixing in guys. You have the potential to mixing a guy like Bobo. If you want to Michael, Porter Jr., a as a player that we watched over the course of the season have some really big moment and really big games, and you start to look at this team and go. Wow, okay, you know. This is this is the real deal and and and and this year They'll ride it out. They'll try the bill bill. Be One of the the the you know one of the better teams, and and then they'll reassess what they need. And and WHO's GonNa? Give them the their best shot after the season's over Chris. The real question is should Jamal Murray be worried about his point guard position with the. Kids telling over. That the one of the lineups ever yeah, it was. It was really fun to see I mean they did. What it really also goes to show you just how talented call your is like literally. They started him point guard. And then. He got him seventy fifth, but you know it's You know. That lineup was Hilarious I. Think if you're the Washington Wizards. You might be a little bit alarmed. Technique got beat by team that didn't. Heal so many of its main players, and only had one perimeter player, and when that guy was on the court, they play them off the ball sometimes and so I just thought that was wildly entertaining I of the LINEUPS. Mean anything going forward, but it was wildly entertaining. Troy Daniels had a great game and you know the Washington Wizards who did have the majority of their players that that are actually going to be playing for them. you know in the bubble? They're all. They were on the court, and they got the anyway. And that's boy that's gotta be a little disconcerting to Scott Brooks in that staff. Yeah no question about it on that side, but you know that was kind of what what we're seeing here is teams kind of adjust? And then none of the nuggets are still waiting to get to ended up full force mode, but. Man We're we're almost there? Chris I thought you. Guys are phenomenal job of your coverage to very unique and I think that's what we're all looking for right now in the bubble. But what? What can we expect next from? You guys with altitude? Yeah I think more of the same I think we're gonNA powwow and see what we liked what we didn't like. And you know and make the the tweaks for Saturday's broadcast, but I thought it was fun broadcast. You know these are exhibition games, right? You know I get the. Time if there's any. On this program. What we we talked we talked about if there's any time to try something new in this time to do it. You know so You know we're doing that. I like I think exhibition games, don't we don't? We don't need to be you know focused on every single possession of an exhibition game. That just doesn't matter but if you can. If you're able to out what you see on various different possessions, and then maybe if somebody's starting to stand out, let's start talking about him the way Bobo and Troy Daniels. Were able to hone in on those two yesterday. I thought it was great and I. I think we're GONNA. Do that again. you know we? We might have less of us. The four boxes of the top would be something I think that might not be as prevalent but outside of that I think we all enjoyed the the broadcast we put on and we're going to do. Something very similar here on Saturday may I thought it was unique man. It was I I enjoyed it I, enjoyed the commentary to and. You guys again. We've all had to be innovative here and I appreciate what altitude has been doing through this process. I'm ready to get to regular season basketball games and see where this nuggets team stacks up and it sounds like Chris. We got everybody almost ready to go on this roster at least. Yeah well. We saw the good shots of Gary Harrison. Toy Craig there on the side. So you know that says to me that they will be practicing soon and You know. Maybe even are available for Saturday's game. who else well. They just held out John Murray and we'll bart from that. From, that game, and that was just you know you know just because they want to. Those guys I expect to see them on the court on Saturday, if not then Monday after that Then you have Michael Porter Jr... Reports of him getting down there, so yeah, I slowly, but surely they're they're they're. They're becoming whole again and and that's good because you know. You know you really do want to have your group that you were rotating in a certain way. You know back on the court, so they can kind of get used to working with each other again and I just don't think you really want to get into the seating games with with worked with chemistry items with major chemistry items still to go and so It'll be good if they can get their guys air here by the end of this week. Start playing them in in Saturday in Monday's game, and then you know a couple more practices before you start those seating games, and if worse comes to worse, you got a lot of different seven footers that can play guard apparently so. Right Man Chris. Appreciate you as always well done my friend and we'll look forward to kind of get set for previews for regular season basketball next week. Absolutely looking forward to I. DO Chris Dempsey of altitude TV. Yeah, it was a weird lineup. I think you're you're kind of just throwing guys out there practices where you're trying to develop that chemistry thirty five minutes after the hour do at a shout out here to eat and country club eat and. I don't know about you but I like going out I'm not a great golfer, but I like going out golfing and just seem clouds rolling over the mountains. It's starting to cool off a little bit. Maybe you're going to get some spring. Maybe even rain on your wire golfing. You could see it so perfectly out at Eton Country Club you can. It's just. Just a beautiful view you've got the mountain scene. You've got the plane seen. It's the best of both worlds. That's the eaten country club. Check out. Their website eaten CDC dot net, and you know what tell them. We sent you talk about membership. Talk to the folks over there. Now's a great time. Sign up thirty six minutes after the hour, are you? You ready for this. Colefax got Thursday night special. It took a four or five month vacation six and four when everything closed down and I'm pretty sure the only reason I lost four because I knew the virus was in the air and I. do think the virus we know it chooses where it's going to go, and what it's GonNa do I think it. It was really messing with the T ns, so I've. I've recovered since I'm stronger. I've learned how to combat. It got the mask. I'm ready to go, so Thursday night special. I pick after the pandemics shutdown. Coming up right after we get the latest local sports flash thirteen ten KFI PREPS. Radio is northern Colorado's home for the past high school coverage. Friday on mornings we gale. Could the Rust fast-track a covid nineteen vaccine have downside Peter Pits President of the Center for medicine in the public interest ways in join us. Thursday Thursday. Thursday. Thursday? Thursday! Thursday. Thursday! Thursday, you know. We went with a classic there. They're. Beautiful have not heard that one in a while. The longest. We've gone awol a very very. Long time in five months. That's the longest I've ever gone without hearing that saw forgot how shocking it was. This is shockingly good, yeah! Like. That's an original. There's no dubbing over anything. There's no that that's an original. Well thought our them and beat and song based on Thursday night special. Colfax og right there. Yeah, is it absolutely is man? Wow, we haven't done one of these in a while I. don't even know it's like I'm on a I'm training wheels here. Well obviously, we're going baseball tonight. We got we got to on and listen. Kovacs I could tell you I'm six and four. It's my first one back. I'm a little rusty. You know when you say baby calf. EH, baby deer! They're born and the can't quite walk right for a while stumbling. They're moving around. That's me right now so I'm just trying to be really careful here. Just I'M NOT GONNA. Go out on a limb. I'm. Not GonNa. I'M NOT GONNA. Say This pitchers going to get W. You know because I. don't even know how long a starting pitcher. We'll go tonight. We'll even go long enough to get a win. But I am looking at this one. I'm staying in the national. League West here San Francisco. In in the Los Angeles dodgers. I think the dodgers are going to be ridiculously good. I do like the Rockies to win thirty eight. I like the dodgers to win. Forty plus I think that they're gonNA be I. Think all everything West readings in hearing is going to be absolutely correct. Pandemic season or not. Clayton kershaw getting the bump tonight I mean he's he's. He's rock and roll and is GonNa make his you can believe. Start on opening day a main. He's a big time player. I mean he's had dwindled over the last few years. A little bit especially in the playoffs, but he still ridiculous. Maybe one of the best pitchers of all time Walker Bueller. They mookie Betts. You saw that monster deal. Get done. Cody bellinger me. This team is stacked, so Colefax I'm not trying to rewrite the script here. I'm not doing anything fancy today. Take in the Los Angeles dodgers to win this thing. Matter that that's okay. That's fine. Yeah, all back to now feeling cool cardboard cutouts fan so this. Week field still looks like it always does at least yeah fields going to be ready for the game tonight, but yes cut. Set done a great job as far as. Nobody's days. Practice Block. See, if his kind of complex. One Fan and it's. All the left. The. Dodgers. Could be that Kinda game unbelievable. This fire sparklers and you got snakes and sparklers going more than those are the big ones. They got the mortars, and those are the ones that Colorado all got in trouble for because they all went to Wyoming, and got them, and then blew him up on Fourth of July speaking of that. Was Adamant noticed that like there was better private firework displays than the big ones Oh, yeah they were. Like what you just played right? That was yeah. No, it did people were people were going crazy. They were they were so crazy crazy. It was a lot of fun. Dixon to that. Live up, Colfax better be bringing the funk. If the Thursday night special is back, baby I think so that funky and I think that was funky. The works as far as Thursday night. Stuff that you're writing that you worked on because I know you've had time off, and they say a lot of times. The creative ones really take that time off to really come up with something you know great, the next game of thrones novel, or whatever yeah you know during this whole pandemic have really taken a step back and just did some self reflection. Yeah, and just really taken time to you know get to. Get to know I haven't spent much time writing. Okay I think. Strives some huge strides within myself and I think. That, that's going to lead to some new content the soul-searching, even though you're not working, it's still it's still very important. It is figuring out who you are. Exactly you know time free time for Colfax to get to know. Colfax exactly you know. Be Good to him and then write the great American Thursday night special song. Yeah, couple singles coming out soon. I can't wait I? Don't know if they're gonNA be titled Yet, but working on how many you have now in the old record. Hits album. Get. Four or five get the happy days one. Yup, that's a good one. And you go through the list I've I. Forgot Actually, it's been so long. Day Thursday. You're much better. So good. Dixon, says chair, dancing and raising the roof is back. Well, I'm going for number seven. Listen. I'm not getting crazy tonight. You know I'm not I know you guys expect a lot out of me and I'm GonNa live up to that hype by always do, but I'm not kidding crazy tonight I've been off. You know how you you don't expect a great athlete. After five months shut down to just pick up right where they left. Left off no I mean it's not I have to give us some time. I'm getting back into the flow I'm you know I'm just relearning? How I'm learning to fly, and I ain't got wings man, so everybody just take the pressure off a little bit, and let me have some room and pick an easy one tonight and take the dodgers to just get after it. Solid run of cliches right there, Michael. Man. Get ready to cliches. That's what leads to great t and S man. That's what leads to great. Songs and covers, and in brilliantly I mean it's all coming. This is going to be fun. Next week we still have baseball the week after that now we're GonNa Throw Basketball and Oh, and we're throwing hockey in there. What's going to happen? I have no idea. I just know that you should stay tuned. There's a special is here and it's back and it's ready to rock and roll forty minutes after the hour. Take a quick break or rap in the show up. What's on tonight? I'll give you guess regular season baseball, Baby. It's back over back. Party northern Colorado's voice. Thirteen ten, Kfi K. The block party Wednesdays from ten PM. The Best UNC bears targeting game coverage lives on thirteen ten Kfi K.. Ethnic Rep at sports director at FOX THIRTY ONE DENVER. You are listening to the whole show on thirteenth ants. Hey, that's. That's. Has Been a good one today It's been a lot of fine. The Washington football. Team That's cool. Everybody's excited about that being the name of it. I think anyway. Thursday, special in. I did see this with the Colorado haven't hit it yet. Football Jackson is preseason. pickus found West offensive player of the year so the preseason we'll see. Tonight on ESPN five o'clock mountain time. You've Got New York. Take it on. Washington Going with that now we're just going there. That's a five. At eight o'clock mountain right after that game, we got an NL West battle. We got a Thursday night special battle. San Fran taking on the Los Angeles. Dodgers. And I tell you what man regular season baseball is back. CanNot wait and we all know what's going to happen tomorrow night. Get the rockies getting set, so that's GonNa that's GonNa be what's on the to no more no more directing you to different Sitcoms Colfax? No more telling you about what's happening on the discovery channel. We actually have live regular season sports games that mean something tonight. Thank you. Time. It's been a long time. Opening Day took a little while to get here this year, but we are here and I think we're all pretty pretty damn excited for it, so it should be a good time. Yeah. It's exciting about Warren Jackson as well see us you football's Warren, Jackson, his preseason pick as mountain west offensive player of the year. Jesse Kurtz of the mountain West Network told us a few weeks ago. Yeah, no doubt warns number one most excited to see him. If we in fact, see him all right. That's going to do it for us. We're going to be back at it on a Friday. We're GONNA. Be Talking all things Colorado, rockies. 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May 6  Hour 2  Drew Lock Studying His Game From Mom and Dads House | Nick Kosmider

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May 6 Hour 2 Drew Lock Studying His Game From Mom and Dads House | Nick Kosmider

"After the second and final hour on this Wednesday. Hey guys doing a lot of people. Don't like argument. They really don't want to hear it or some are just saying you know what? There's here's how goes Colfax on the Nicole. Yokich thing you either think. He's not a superstar. He's terrible in the nuggets. Should just cut bait or you're you're mad at me for even bringing this up as a question. It is an insult to ask this question to ask if he's a true superstar raising doubts about someone's ability Seems like something? We do daily basis here. Listen it's it's he's an he's a great guy he. I love Nicole which I remember you know Media Day. This year was so fun. He's awesome he. He's a cut up. He has fun with the media. He's he's a media persons dream because he's going to give you stuff. He's going to have foam. He asks about your vacation your summer and all that stuff. He's a great guy his his ability on the floor when he's on Colfax he's unmatched. This is not an indictment on his actual ability. This is an indictment more on his mental ability as far as when he wants to play. Tj McBride of Of Mile High. Sports you know he used to join. Us Friday during the season. He said it if you could if you could figure out what motivates Nicole Yokich on a nightly basis. You'd have something you'd have something pretty good in the bottom. If bottle that up. Be Pretty Good. Chris Dempsey tells us last week that I don't know if you'll get us watching this documentary and thinking how can I get better? I don't he's not that kind of guy. Don't you those things together and go? Is that the mentality of a superstar in the NBA. Now listen onto Takubo Hawaii letter. James Harden Lebron James anti-drugs. None of those guys are really truly close to Michael Jordan. But that's not the question super there are many superstars in the league. Michael Jordan is one is one of the rare players that is above superstar. He's in legend territory. He's in he was. He was in legend territory when he played he he defeated the meaning of Legend. He he changed the meaning of Legend. So that's not the question when you're looking at today's superstars is Nicole. Ioka them physically like what he can do on the floor his passing ability his his shooting ability is pretty good for being a big man. His touch inside. The paint is much better than we see with guys. Like Joe Unbeaten. Hell maybe even Anthony Davis He. Those are better. Those are superstar quality but the mentality is not superstar driven. And I don't you think you have to have both of those you know we used to say. Jr Smith bad comparison. I know we used to say. Jr Smith was one of the most athletically gifted players. You know in his prime when he played for the nuggets he didn't have a right between the ears and that's different than Yokich. Yokich is an extremely smart player. But that just goes to show you. You can be a sensational athlete. But you also have to have the smarts and the killer instinct the difference between Jordan and Lebron. There's a few things but what keeps sticking out. Is the actual mentality the mentality? That Jordan had compared to Lebron Jordan. Doesn't care well. I shouldn't say this Jordan didn't get into politics. Jordan didn't get into moving from city to city to increase his brand and whatnot Jordan. Did it all and then the rest came later. Lebron James Very much focused on us. So there's a difference there Nicole. Yokich might not care about the politics of things but I think at the end of the day. Yokich loves to play basketball. I think he loves his teammates. He LOVES TO BE IN DENVER. Loves TO BE IN SERBIA TO HE loves all of it does he have the killer instinct that these superstars in the League have steph. Curry doesn't Steph Curry. Have a killer instinct. The nicest dude out there baby-faced even when he has a beard if that's possible but he has a killer instinct when he's at his best not hurt. The GUYS LETHAL. He's absolutely lethal at shot is so quick. It's like it's like a quick little dagger strike man. It's GonNa put you out of your misery quick and you don't even know what happened. James Harden when? He's in the groove. Now there's questions about his playoff ability. Listen we maybe we're not there yet. Maybe we need to see more nickel. Yokich in the playoffs. Maybe we need to see him. More around guys that are true superstars in a setting like the playoffs and and this year was going to be big said at the beginning. I asked you first. You said no not yet. Well that's fair to say too. Because he's only had one playoff one one sees in playoff experience he's had two series but only in one season. That's why this year was gonNA be so big this. You're still is so big for all of that You know as far as everything that he needs to take it to that next level so let me be. Let me be very clear about Nicole. Yokich kitchen my thoughts here when he's deciding it's go time when it's time for him to shoot down the four fourth quarter. Suddenly he's GonNa Shoot. You know you're gonNA give me eight shots in the fourth period. You're GONNA make a good chunk of those you're getting to the free throw line then. Yes Nicola. Yokich is a superstar but he is the most passive superstar in league. I'm not talking about assist his assists or what separates him from everybody. He's the he's one of the best passers in the NBA. He averaged six point nine assists per game. That's pretty tremendous for seven footer. Very tremendous but what bothers me is the fourteen point nine shots per game. What bothers me is the question of. How do you motivate Nicole Yokich on a nightly basis because last year saying this and we've said it for three years now? Nicola does what is necessary to win a game. If he feels that his shooting is not going to impact the game. He's GonNa pass a lot he's GonNa pass up wide open shots and he's going to take two shots and I. I appreciate that and I respect that because Lebron James has some similar traits but at the end of the day. Lebron's going to look at that stat sheet at the end of the third and go. I've only shot at four times. I have three points none. No no no no no no no everybody get the hell out of the way it's Lebron James takeover time. That's the difference. Nicola can look at that and whatever you know. That's what was needed tonight and apparently didn't win Malone wants to change. He said as much so those of you to think it's an insult to ask this question Malone said as much I wa- They want Nicola Yokich to be the guy and that is it much easier said than done. Absolutely be the guy and that's why I'm saying it's half and half the mentality. He doesn't have a superstar mentality. He doesn't have a killer instinct. I haven't seen it consistently. Did we get a glimpse of it in the playoffs against poor last year? I think so. We got a glimpse but superstars. Don't give glimpses give us. Oh that was really good. But then the next season started up and it was kind of up and down for for the joker was kind of a mixed bag for the most part now. This was statistically you know. This was right there with one of his great last year. He averaged twenty points per game this year. Twenty points per game. There was not that if I wanted to. I WanNa see Twenty three twenty four I do you know. I want to start to see those attempts. Go Up. He averaged just fifteen point. Listen he's never averaged more than much more than fifteen points her fifteen attempts per game. That's just who he is but everything else is going up. I mean his assists are going up. They were about the same as last year his rebounds about same as last year. So still like you look at his numbers. Yes keep this going. He played for four years. This was his fifth year. You keep that going those numbers. Yes those numbers will make you the greatest of all time especially if you throw in you know consistent trips to the playoffs which they were getting ready to have their second in a row in whether we start this. Nba season or not. That will be something. We'll we'll look at. We're GONNA take a quick break. I WanNa talk to nick. 'cause mitre haven't caught up with him in a while of the athletic There are some questions with the nuggets going forward. Paul MILLSAP and Jeremy Grant. That is the biggest one on my mind and I WANNA GET KNICKS THOUGHTS. On that is he did a piece in the athletic about fifteen after the hour. This is the whole show powered by energy. Don't you dare go anywhere. We're here with you. Keep IT ON K. K. For the latest on in nineteen the effect on the sports scene in more thirteen ten. Kfi K. and thirteen ten KFI DOT com catch. Her Day studied right with up-to-date news weather and sports mornings with Gail six. Am to nine. Am Weekdays on thirteen ten KFI? Kay Hey nuggets fan just with coach phone at the Denver Nuggets and you're listening to the whole show. Thirteen ten KS K. First advantage text. Line is three one nine nine six three one nine nine six text. Kf Aa to that number if you want to get involved in the conversation joining me now on that hotline is caused of the athletic covering Denver Nuggets and the NBA. Nick my friend. It's been a little while. Hope you're hope you're doing all right. Hope you're doing okay with that little one to one one already is that right. Yeah turned one on Turned one on Friday keeping US busy. No doubt about especially especially when you can't go anywhere. it's It's it's a lot but it's it's been great to be able to have that extra time to spend. Yeah no doubt about minds to now. So he's all over the place. I my wife and I are thinking inside the house. It's just not going to contain him much longer needs to. He needs a fields to Rome. Like just kind of find like an open they just go buddy. Yes absolutely man. It's crazy. Well I'm happy for you man. I know you're continuing continuing to do work continuing to put things together food for thought about all things. Denver Nuggets and listen. I've been thinking about this for a long time and I love the fact that you're putting this this right up together. You're talking about scenarios at play for the nuggets soon to be free agents. Paul MILLSAP I mean. That is a big question. Mark up in the air. I mean Paul. It feels like he's you know obviously a lot bigger things going on but it feels like he gets the right into the stick here because he gets that extent or the extension for the year. But at this point in time hasn't been able to finish that gotta on the other way the nonren- that he he's made the money that he had true with the nuggets for three years. Certainly you know it you. You get to that veteran status where he signed a lot of contracts in his career. I think that we're not friendly. Deals that Sort of put him in a position to try to help out that Atlanta Hawks team try to win a championship which they were unable to do going against Lebron James and the Eastern conference when he came up as a as a free agent twenty seventeen. It was his time to get paid as it wasn't now gets They were ready to paying. He was going to have some some offers elsewhere and he fit perfectly with what the nuggets needed at the time which was a a veteran presence guy with playoff experience. A true professional a defensive Stalwart for a team that was trying to turn around its reputation on that end and a mentor to young players. He's still boxes throughout his time. Here but the nets will have an interesting decision to make because they traded for Jeremy Grant last summer. That was the deal in which they gave up a first round pick. And you don't typically do that For for one year rental. Especially if you're not truly ready to go in title which you know who if the the season continues just have playoffs? It's this weird condense Format if they do that. Who could happen but again? I think the nuggets were making more of a longterm play with grant. Hope to resign him. This summer And then you would be looking at probably a reduced role for Paul MILLSAP. So it's GonNa come down to whether you know he wants to play maybe limited minutes in the regular season and have a chance to really be a valuable playoff. Contender are left. Tributary for a team. That believes in the next couple of seasons contend for a championship or you know looking to try to maybe cash in on on one more big payday and maybe a bigger role on a team. That maybe he's coming up a little bit so those are those are just some of the dynamics at play for the nuggets. Paul MILLSAP Again Denver is going to. Have you know several of these of these financial to make going forward and again with with millsaps? The interesting thing is to I mean he win healthy. He still playing at a very high level as you mentioned especially on the defensive side. But I'm seeing a few wrinkles in that offensive game too. You know is is late in his career. So there's that side of it where he said man. There's still some good years left. He is still a good leader for this team. But that is a difficult choice. Because you just like you said Jeremy Grant men maybe he's the future probably is the future of that position and you might want to get. That started sooner rather than later. Yeah and what's interesting about like millsap now? I wrote this in this piece I wrote yesterday. But he's missed the equivalent of almost one out of every three games. Utah injuries that yet. That wrist injury. I think that was You know kind of a fluke in the In his first season in Denver the twenty seventeen eighteen season that ended up costing him forty four games. And that's probably don't Miss Class by a game like they did. Had he been healthy? The whole year But had that big of time missed this time with a broken toe. Last year obviously had some elements that kept him out of twenty one games. This season so again you have to. If a new contract comes up you have to kind of have those things in mind. But I I also think the nuggets don't need him to be a guy who You know gives you some big contributions during during the regular season it. It's GONNA come down to. Can't he help you win a playoff series against team? Mike the Lakers and the clippers of the rockets. That's really weird. Denver's focusing all attention right now and you know you mentioned something new facets he shot a career high forty four percent for three point range So so certainly done some stuff. I just did an interview with Chris. Hanes and the other day where you said. He went into off season mode. Essentially when this shutdown began and started working on himself physically says he's added to his vertical leap. So I I still think Paul MILLSAP has plenty left in the tank again. It's going to come down to where the nuggets see him fitting in role wise and what that what the value is on that role Especially with him standing next Jeremy Grant and the other part of that is what else do the nuggets. What our positions of need or what are areas of need? And how much does what you might give to. Power Forward Take away from the potential pursuit of filling one of those other holes. We're talking to nick. Cosmo owner of the athletic all things Denver Nuggets. And you said it to start the segment talking about Paul millsap and yes. It's GonNa come down to what what that role looks like. Maybe a reduced role. Obviously money might be reduced As opposed to where he could go elsewhere based on what you know of Paul millsap and maybe even conversations. This is the season before everything went. Went a little nuts. Do you get the sense that he'd look at it and go. Yeah I I would probably be cool with playing for a contender and a reduced role. Even if I'm not the starter yeah I I think I think there's they're probably getting to. The point is career where those are the kinds of things that take on greater import right then. Maybe they did five six seven years ago. Here's the guy who again. We mentioned those four seasons with the Atlanta Hawks. That team was really good It really tried to make a run for it. They just so happened to be playing the same conference that Lebron James dominated all those years and so now you look at it in Paul Millsap the All star four times You know he's made generational wealth as an MBA player He's he's very well respected as teammate. As an opponent around the league really the only thing missing for him as a championship and so I think if he can look at Denver and say this is a place where I'm comfortable a place where I think. My voice is heard a place where I can connect to my teammates. Understand how to play with Nicola Yokich all these factors and say hey you know as long as I feel. They're being fair with me You know maybe he'd be willing to take a discount now if you know what happened with the Atlanta Hawks when they basically said that they were completely restarting going different direction. And and Paul Millsap who gave them four. All Star. Years didn't even get a real substantial offer from them so I think as long as he feels he's treated fairly in the process then. I think there's a good chance he could look at it and say listen. Let's finish my career here in the town where I was born where I'm now raising my kids who have started to grow up here To me there's just a lot of attractive factors for him In sticking around you know if if both sides can make it work my my guess is that he will be back on a new contract. Next year I'd be a big fan of that for sure. Nick what are some of the other big question marks surrounding this roster? I know I know plumlee. Certainly one of those guys coming up to Tori Craig. What what are some of those other big ones? Yeah so in terms of Denver's own free agents. Obviously we talked about Jeremy Grant. He has a player option of nine nine point three million dollars which means he could he could sign that play next year on that contract and then become a free agent during the twenty summer of two thousand twenty one I think the conventional wisdom is the grant will probably decline that player option which make him a free agent. This summer And and in doing that he would be available to be signed by any team. But I think that that would happen with sort of the understanding that the nuggets are going to work hard to resign him It's GonNa be really interesting. Just given the the financial landscape of the League given Cova. We really don't know what the complete financial ramifications are gonNA be so Our contracts going to be way down is it maybe smart for him to just take that option and play it and let and let chips kind of fall where they may over the next year and see how the League rebounds That that could be another consideration just playing on a one year deal Either Way I. I'm pretty confident Jeremy Grant. We'll be back in probably will be the starting power for for the nuggets next summer or next season And then yeah. Tory Craig is another guy who again Typically the eighth ninth guy plays a really important. I think defensive role certainly beloved by Michael Malone his teammates He's going to be a restricted free. Agent you know. Look Craig in my mind if a team comes after him and says listen. We're rebuilding something. We love your defensive tenacity. We like your leaders. You know your your leadership we want you to be a part of helping. Our young team grow and they're willing to pay them the then. Tory credit should certainly seek a chance to get paid He he's the guy that's played most of his career overseas in Australia before coming to the United States and and playing in the NBA. So I think if he has a chance to really secure some financial longevity for himself and his family. I think that would be something that he probably should should consider doing. But again the nuggets may value him enough to where. They're putting a sizable offer on the table And and we'll just have to kind of see how that goes and then Mason plumlee basic as the one guy who I kind of have my doubts as to whether he'll be back again. An unrestricted free agent. He's a guy who has been starting center in the NBA. Before on play-off teams probably could go find himself a similar role again which would obviously You know be be a more well paid role than than what he might get a backup. Nicole Yokich And and certainly no pathway to him being the starting center in Denver and the Nuggets also while twenty was hurt this year show that they could play kind of a small ball lineup with Jeremy. Grant the five with Paul Millsap. Sometimes playing the five And again the the more you see the league going that way it becomes in my mind. A little bit harder to justify big salaries for for to traditional traditional ish centers So I I would be somewhat surprised if Columbia was back but again you'd never know that given what's happening with the League and what we're contracts are at. It's GonNa be really interesting just to see how that all plays a factor. Yeah it is interesting because for the longest time we're hearing maybe players are better off not signing even though they're big deals are waiting because everything's pointing toward a lot more money coming to the NBA and a lot bigger contracts but this hits and now it might be the reverse of that. You might be better off taking even a minimal deal here because you just never know what those are. GonNa look like well right. And that's why I mentioned grants grants young player. Option is just our team's going to be forking over you know. Twelve million dollar anal- annual salaries over for years for a guy like him He he might be emphasis where it makes sense to take the option to play. That might play that one year And then see see what the landscape is afterwards. I think teams are going to be a little more reluctant right now. It's a handout Hand out these giant contracts. There's less you know. There's there's been a pretty big safety net with the money coming in the NBA. In recent years you mentioned that always kind of counting on XP television deal that would balloon salaries and and that kind of thing Now there's going to be a lot smaller margin for error for front offices in terms of the players they sign and the financial decisions that they make so I think teams will be hesitant to hand out long-term you know again with with the new. Cba long-term is relative. You can only give you know four three and four year contract's unless it's You know you can give a supermax player. Five deal the you know. We're past the days of the ten and seven year contracts that you that used to see before But yeah those are all things that I think are going to be a fascinating thing to watch league-wide um that certainly will have ramifications for the nuggets as well great stuff from you one more for your nick on the NBA landscape sight of it. What in your circles. What are you hearing as far as we going to have something this summer? And what does that format look like? Are we jumping into some kind of interesting playoff scenario? Yeah I think right now. I I would still. I do think there's optimism from from people talked to believe that this thing could happen that there could be a resumption of the season in some But I it's far from a certain it's far from a certainty at this point. I think the NBA wants to see there being Just a greater grasp on testing of of Corona virus of tracing of sort of this idea that like if the NBA holds up in some place in his testing. Everybody every day. What they're giving their players is not Just completely different than what? The rest of America has available to them. They don't they don't want it to be seen in that regard of here's players getting tested every day before every game just to make sure they can play this game. Versus you know they're still being inadequacies communities around the country. I think that's something that they're very wary of so again. We're going to have to wait and see over the next month or so I think Where the country is that in terms of its testing capabilities. And then you know I think the NBA is going to kind of play off of that. That that's the way I see it going and then certainly if it does come back. They do feel comfortable with that. It's going to be a situation where they're they're in maybe one or two cities And really just trying to confine it to that to that kind of small location. There's not going to be fans And you know that that's sort of what they understand at this point but again a lot a lot remains to be seen over the next I think month will be Kinda critical In terms of teams. Finding out whether it's GONNA be a real possibility to get back on the court this year. Certainly a lot more to go through before we get an idea of what that date looks like. If any nick appreciate you man great right up. I'm looking forward to see what you put together the rest of the month kind of look into the future of what this. Denver Nuggets team will look like so wonderful work again and appreciate your time. Thanks a lot. They've helped me appreciate it. I mean that's caused of the athletic. He's putting together a series this month. Where he's going over the scenarios of the nuggets in the free agents and those guys those those question marks he's kind of getting the sense that maybe may simply knock. GonNa be get next year that maybe Paul millsap will be more a more in a backup role Jeremy Grant which would be interesting to so and then Tory Craig a nice player especially defensively but the player you can't live without that'll be those be the questions. The nuggets have in front of them along with you know the big picture stuff to Gary Harris has signed and and done for the next three seasons for this team but his name keeps coming up. There's still some value there but I don't know if there's a lot of trade value I love Gary Harris. That's another guy that nuggets are going to make a decision about if he's if it's worthwhile to trade him or if you think he continued can continue to be a big part of of what. Your team is trying to build toward and again that goal so longer playoffs. I know the only went last year but they got to the second round their top five see their top three seed now for the last two years gotta start thinking bigger and part of thinking. Bigger is what position and the depth at that position. What gives us our best chance to compete with. The Los Angeles Lakers and the Los Angeles Clippers. Those are the teams that are going to stand in front of us. Those are the teams that were likely going to play in that second round in the Western Conference finals. So we'd be piecing our team together accordingly so that we can compete again. That question is yes Jamal Murray. He's he's the big money big man on campus now. He's got the long-term deal the longest term deal for the nuggets. That's that's why the question is asked if you know if you feel comfortable that Nicola accuser superstar and you can consistently get him to play at that top level every every night. Both shot attempts rebounds and assists. Then then yeah I. I suppose you're good with Yokich is number one Jamal. Murray we need you to be number two. And then the rest will keep filling in the blanks. But if you have serious question marks about Yokich being the star than yes all of that pressure from. Yokich has to shift over to Jamal. Murray and Jamal cannot live up to the billing. Then you have to. You have to figure out who's going to be that guy because Nicole Yokich isn't going anywhere. Jamal rightly is not going anywhere right now. But sooner or later the question will become. How do you win a championship? That's where the nuggets mentality should be going into next season. Maybe even this whatever. This looks like this summer thirty six minutes after the hour. Let's shut out here and get the latest on the local sports flash thirteen ten. Kfi PREPS RADIO IS NORTHERN. Colorado's home for the past high school coverage. Start Your morning off right with your recommended daily intake of news weather and traffic to get yourself up and running this morning. Gail to nine thirteen ten. Kfi Happy Live Garden here for you and offering curbside pickup. 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I'm just taking that time to to continue to learn to continue to grow and study up on. What's needed for this offense going forward? And that's that's the tough thing I mean. We've we've talked about this a lot. It always certainly giving drew. Lock the keys to this car keys this Lamborghini and he's giving them a lot of weapons and you got the new offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur. There's going to be a lot for drew. Lock to learn. So there's there's a part of me that looks at and says man. All the pressure is on drew. Lock because of the weapons. Because of what's expected of this offense now but there's also a sense of you gotta give them a little bit of a break. You know. Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers even Philip rivers learning new offense you. Those guys are veterans. They've been doing it for a long time. Locks only played five games so the tough part is when you put the we are going to put pressure on him. He can't be terrible you know. He can't even be below average she has to be average least But the tough part for him is the fact that he's young. And this goes for any quarterback this goes for any rookie or this goes for any guy that just started last year was just starting to get their feet underneath them in this league. That is going to be tough but especially a guy in drew lock where you're placing your offensive coordinator. You Bring Pat Shurmur. You have a lot of new weapons which sounds great on paper. But I'm still curious as to how this is all going to work out. You have a lot a lot of Saul tight ends now at least again on that proverbial paper. You have guys that should pack a little bit of a punch on the tight inside of it. You went and got. Melvin Gordon. You like what? Melvin Gordon is going to bring to this team but again I'm curious. How does that all work do you do? Do you look at it and say. Hey we're we're going to. We're going to add so many different bells and whistles this offense. You're never going to know where we're coming from. We might have to back set. We might have a tight to back set with two tight ends and then one wide receiver. We may have no wide receivers receiver again. You bring in a lot of tight ends. You know you have no a fan you picked one up and you picked up in the in the off season and then you drafted one so that to me says yeah we kind of like the tight end game here you picked you picked okay web on in the fourth round which is a kind of guy that I think. He's not that doesn't mean he's going to be an instant producer next year right. It just means he's going to be a nice add on to what we already have. With Noah Fan. So is it going to be? Are we going to see some heavy sets tight ends and running backs? Then you have Sutton and Jerry Judy and K J handler and it may be tyrod Cleveland seventh but still wide receiver you can convince certainly is going to see three or four wide receiver sets in there as well so again. I am pumped up. I think it's going to be fun. I Won't lie to you though. I'm definitely looking at it saying maybe. There's a reason to reserve your expectation of the Broncos scoring twenty seven points per game twenty twenty three points per game in in theory. That's GONNA work out but game one. Who's game one going to be against? We don't know yet. That's why you gotTa Watch. The three hour in fell schedule special tomorrow night. Cove exciting to watch the depart tonight. So you can figure out by watching a three hour special. What's going to be available three hours later? Just by googling it without the excitement. It's true you sometimes. I guess you do WanNa see here. Some of the the specialists talk about the bachelor ups and stuff but I mean I could go look up the plotline for the departed right now and that's true you can look. You could look at all the decent point saying you. You could go. Google all of it really. I would've last year. I'm not a big. Nfl Schedule Release Guy. Because you just get the schedule and then you piece it together as you go but yes tomorrow night. I will be watching that. I haven't watched one in a while. Now I've I've I'd say you know. Ever since they start. I think it was a one hour special. It started and then they started increasing. Its too and this year. You're like we're starving man. We need to do a lot more in this. You throw out three three hours for sure. So that's coming up tomorrow night. That'll be interesting. Our power to play sports. Poll question of the day was more of a nuggets. We talked a little nuggets last two nights or to last two days. Something Airshow night show is a call. Yokich true superstar and I'm GonNa give you my finishing thoughts on that when we come back forty seven minutes after the hour. This is the whole show powered by energy. Don't go anywhere we'll be right back. You're listening to the hall's show powered by PD energy and thirteen ten. Kfi Am Brady will be back after the break the best UNC bears Tarkhan game coverage lives on thirteen ten K. F. K. Hi this is Jesse Kurtz executive producer and lead anchor the mountain West Network and you're listening to the whole show on thirteen ten. Kfi and we're back. Thanks for being with us. Here mosier funeral and cremation service services. As unique as life live. Well plan ahead. That's their motto over there. Give Scott Robert or a member of their staff a call today. Talk to them about pre planning. It truly is an amazing amazing gift. Nine seven zero three three sixty eight twenty four see them at their website. Mosier IMOS FUNERAL SERVICE DOT COM. I finished text line. Three one nine nine six our power play. Sports poll question is Nicole. Ioka true superstar Kovacs. This was a tough one for me to even write down because I feel like I'm going against my guy you know I'm going to get my guy asking the question in a lot of times in. Hogan's you're so hilarious. I ask questions and you assume that I've already taken a stance one way or the other. It's funny to me will the Broncos when go to the playoffs you crazy now never you. You're an idiot and asking we get that all the time right people comments and this is terrible. Question took the time to comment on it. So if it was a terrible question would come. They wouldn't even pay attention. So it pained me to ask did with asking right now convention in the Conventional Way. We identify and describe superstar. Yokich is not it. He's not he doesn't have the mentality. Will he get that? Will we be able to find a way to consistently motivate him? Maybe another round of playoffs would have been the trick you said before we started the show. Colfax not yet not yet maybe another round of playoffs because he's only been in the playoffs once he is young and I'll give you that but the question isn't will he be a superstar. The question is is Nicole. Yokich a superstar and right now. His numbers are very good very good. That'll be good enough if he keeps us up to be the best nugget of all time. But that's not necessarily the player you know one of the best players again. We've talked about the nuggets legacy it's not rich. There's not a lot of greatness surrounding the nuggets organization unless you want to water down the term greatness and you can. We do it all the time. But in order for Nicole Yokich to be considered a superstar. The challenge must be put to him accepting him as a superstar. Right now means that you're okay with the nuggets going to the playoffs every year. Means that you're okay with the nuggets competing and getting into the second and maybe losing it. But if you WANNA win if you want to go to the Western Conference finals and you want to actually beat the Lakers. Then you need more from Nicole Yokich. You need him to truly be a guy that's eight. I'm not content with fourteen point nine shots per game because he's not Joel embiid. He's not a true traditional center. He shoots from outside. I don't mind the passes. I don't mind the fact that he picked his spots but pick more pick more spots. They're centering this offense around you. Nine Times out of ten. You will have the ball in your hands on a possession. It's in fact. It's very alarming when Nicole. Yokich doesn't touch the basketball on a possession for the Denver Nuggets if the mentality can't become that of a winner nonstop. Then you have to ask the question who will possess that Jamal Murray. Maybe he hasn't shown it yet. Either that's why the question is not necessarily about the future of Nicole. Yokich Yokich will retire a nugget if he wants to the nuggets love him and rightfully so but as more of a robin. And if that's the case you have to have somebody else be Batman and the hope is that it's Jamal Murray. Because he signed to the three twenty four season the pressure really even though this whole show has been about Nicole Yokich. It's really about Jamal. Murray I've been saying it for years. The Guy has the potential to be the best point guard in the NBA. And I believe that he will be. I still believe that it's there but he has to start showing it because the one to monster the one two punch. That is Marie Nicole. Yokich could absolutely rival the Lebron James Anthony Davis. And if you don't believe so then you believe. The nuggets are truly wasting their time and they. They're better off scrapping this and starting all over again which. I don't think anybody wants to do. It's going to do it for us. Thanks to mark Johnson the voice of the buffs. Thanks to my Guy Nick. 'cause mitre of athletic great insight there has always from those guys you want the best insiders in the in the state you keep it here on the whole show. We'll be back at it on a Thursday good night northern Colorado Ten K. F. K.

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Howard Beck on Conference Finals Action and TV Essay

"The low post is brought to you by goodyear helping you discover the road ahead goodyear more driven. And now the. Has Slocum to the low post podcast on Monday afternoon after a thrilling game two between the nuggets and the Lakers of a slightly less thrilling. But still interesting game three between the Celtics. And Heat were thanked the basketball God's who you're. GonNa have a series in the Eastern Conference finals in now without any further ado, it is time to say the three most anticipated words in the history of Mitch Basketball podcasting. What back? Zach. bleacher reports Asterix now Howard Beck. Welcomes Zillow Post. I. Hope you're doing well. We will talk about your. Wonderful video essay that you did for TNT Social Justice that aired last night where you look frankly like a movie star, the message is what's important that we all agree any reasonable thinking person agrees with that but I just was like. What should I get? Howard's autograph. I don't know I don't know if I can look at you the same way anyway there was like how many cameras were. There's a you're sick camera angles, the profile, the beard did you get a touch up on the beard? I was like I'm a little uncomfortable with all of this I was a little. More than a little uncomfortable I was I was advocating for more be role. Can we get more bureau? Could we show other other than me? But it was kind of a personal message and so they decided they opted I had no idea Zach trust me trust me on this. Two weeks ago when we shot this in an odd little basement beneath an old church in Bushwick. Brooklyn. I had no idea despite the number of cameras in the room that there was going to be that much or that many angles of my very angular face and my. scruffy three days of growth beard. Also. That's more than three days of growth. They'll like why that you can grow that much facial three days was like. A continuous project there were. No makeup artists on site. So that was alarming to me because I need all the help I can get. I it was. Yeah. Look the premise at the time was you'll read all this. We'll record it all but you know we will use a flash to you and you grab the chair. We'll do this. You'll walk in and whatever, and everything else is just going to be footage. Cool. Great. See missed opportunity for you in that you what you should have done was be like can we have an extra hour or I can just record bad ass movie lines just so I can have you feel lucky. That would have been phenomenal. You talking to me like just just just just go into like go. Go through the Mall May. That's why you should have done either that or we should have had like Deniro stand in Azmi. The voice so I needed stunt double I needed somebody who was more presentable on camera. My face was never meant to be that zoomed in on. Hd in the year twenty, twenty, one people have like sixty five inch TV screens. I am frightened at what what people might have been seeing. I have a smaller TV TV's like thirty, seven inches like my TV's like comically small. I am frightened at what people with real size flat screen technologically advanced TV's we're seeing. I Apologize America. Well, I thought it was wonderful talking about it. We'll talk about later let's talk about Lakers. Nuggets. Where once again. Gets rallied what they do felt like they were out of the game in spoiler they were not Nicoli. Okay. Got Aggressive. And continued his ascension into the ranks of. Some of the greatest clutch scores in recent history period not for big man not for a center not for whatever period he's now ten fifteen in the last five minutes of close games. In the playoffs and I've read off his stats last week on the podcasts spend like fifty percent crunch time shooter. The last two years is plus MIDAS is ridiculous and then. And then Mason. Plumbly. Jeremy. Grant something happened out of what happened. Something happened some three stooges keystone cops level miscommunication Anthony Davis to suddenly open anthony. Davis is now twelve thirty on threes in the playoffs three of seven against Denver in he hits the defining shots. So far of his career, an absolute Gut Punch for the nuggets who now have to face the prospect of coming down from two of which seems like nothing to Oh for the nuggets like we just barely getting started, but it's just really really hard. I mean, this is Lebron James. He could sniff it. Could smell it. It is really hard to see a Lebron James Team losing four out of five of the playoffs in any circumstances that don't involve them playing the Kevin Durant warriors with Jr. Smith. Doing crazy things or something it just doesn't seem feasible. What is your What is your emotional temperature take on this series after two games The number of times that from Mike this is like the weird thing about watching these things from home instead of being in arenas this is the first playoffs. I'll have not covered since nineteen, ninety seven. When I first started covering this league. I find myself like. Outwardly yelping more often because because I don't have to put myself the way I do on press row. So I'm sitting on my couch, the number of times in the last couple of minutes last night was. WHO That ridiculous KCPT shot from the corner that he just kinda heaved with the clock running down. Anthony, Davis has shop for sure Yokich is shot Joe tip in of the drama. Able Yokich is such A. I don't even how he's just like it's just silliness over the things. He does are just silly even his shop with twenty seconds left. He has to shoot it up because he can barely jump and it's it's just so soft though he had it's like the one against Utah Game Seven. It's awkward is yes to shooting leaning back and going and it just he just goes like it doesn't touch the religious go just tickles the twine as they say. but what a fun final few minutes not fun for the nuggets and their fans. But that was just a really exciting fun and weird. Game Two of a series and. Look at this very easily could be one one right now, and maybe we have a different discussion today I don't know what the status on the brain teams up to Oh I have to believe that he's never lost up to. That I look I can tell you that it's whatever it is. It's going to be good. He certainly never know it's it's good. I don't know. Yeah somebody out there hasn't no correct me. If I'm wrong I can't imagine having lost a series of being up to. Anthony Davis. So that was. It was. So the shot itself was fantastic obviously the blown coverage which you alluded to by Plumlee. Maybe we'll find out today what exactly was going through his head. I haven't seen any quotes from him about that That was only t- The Twenty Fifth Playoff game of Anthony Davis is career Anthony Davis has been is legal longtime. Now, that was the twentieth playoff game of his career. This is his first conference finals. It's only his sixth playoff series and that's how long it took to have a defining. Moment. Which tells you something about where he's been in something about what it means to be playing alongside Lebron James. But That wasn't fantastic shot and twenty before that. And the fact that too like. Yoga there was that was a nice shot. You'll get shoot over him when he posted them up for the go ahead, basket a couple minutes before that that Anthony Davis I think people saw these doubts about him. About how he's made up about whether he has that that kind of fortitude him big situations and everything, and it's because there hasn't been much of a track record in. So to to see him kind of go blow for blow with Yokich and then hit that big shot at the end. Yell Kobe. which was cool. That's a fantastic moment in the only thing missing of course, is that that should have been a staple center where there would have been like getting credible explosion of everything from the crowd and. The scene and the whole feeling after it would have been different. It's fun with the bubble where the entire team like it's like some, you know little small school. Division three high school game whatever the divisions are high schools I don't even know and they're all running out to to you know grab him on the court in and. Like that though scenes are fun because they feel so organic without the crowd around. But yeah, years from now we're still GONNA be watching some of these highlights and saying like it just looks and feels weird. This actually funny. You say that because this is the first. Time. In the playoffs. The conference. Finals. where I feel like now watching from afar I'm not in Orlando. It's lacking a little bit of juice like I think because the first couple of rounds like there's just so many games they come fast and furious. There's two games night, three games a day you're just trying to get through the Games. Now it's like conference finals. This is an event. The teams have the stage to themselves every night Max one game none tonight. This is when it starts to feel in the playoffs like you feel the magnitude of it, the atmosphere starts to become a thing. The number of media at a game increases not to a finals level, but to a pretty heavy level. So this is the first time that I have felt a sensation of like okay. Now it's weird that this is the conference finals like now this feels at now I feel even more just off the unusual I didn't feel that the first couple house because the bubble looks great. It sounds great. It looks like basketball sounds like basketball. This is the first time like. It's cool. Awesome. Last night's game was unbelievable. Heat Celtics has just been a war game four that series is going to be a ridiculous war but it just felt like. Kinda. Doesn't feel like the conference finals. I've had that feeling come and go when the when the when the bubble I started. I thought it's GonNa, take some getting used to, and then we had all those amazing shots during the seating games in the early rounds and Lucas doing things in Damian's Daimler doing awesome things and it. You. You still feel the the gravity of those shots and the drama of them. But there's something missing and and I yeah last night we felt it and that's not why all along like to me the true test for all of us as viewers is going to be the finals will still feel like the finals. And the answer is going to be no it's not gonna be like the finals it. It's GonNa. It's GonNa feel weird. But that's not the same. Let's be clear about an asterisk. No. In fact I think you know I wrote this in May and a lot of people thought it was way too optimistic because in May people were ready to denounce the League for even trying this and I understood why obviously? It's a it's fraught. The whole thing is fraught ethically medically I get it, and that's why constantly said if the any player who doesn't want to go and coach don't WanNa who doesn't want to go like that's their right they should take it. It's a scary thing and we don't know what's going to happen. But I wrote if this thing breaks, right If they can keep the virus out if there is no outbreak on a team, if there is no superstar that for some reason gets waylaid for the wrong two weeks or two superstars. I do think winning this title Could Happen Asterix Asterix could be good. I called it a badge of honor a marker of perseverance in so far knock on every piece of wood insight like I think that's how this championship is GonNa be remembered and that's why I got so annoyed last week and we did a segment up about this. You could like Pablo Tori asked me on ESPN daily. Are you starting to hear that? Well, the Brandon have faced box didn't have to face the clippers. You know are people going to try to say that he didn't decision? This is cal for as much like absolutely not like this this. Whoever wins this Denver Los Angeles Boston by Liberal Wins It. It's it's I think. Would pending if the world is just destroyed the next ten years, we're not gonNA look back at anything if the world is on fire and everything is terrible, we're not going to look back at anything but. I. If the world is somewhat normal in two, three, four years I do think we'll look back at this and say. That Championship. Means something different in a way that is is worth remembering and remarking upon I, think I said something along these lines a couple months ago when they were getting ready to do this when the Astros question was coming up all the time in early July said. It actually is going to depend somewhat on the outcome that if we get a finals of like. Thunder versus Pacers no disrespect either team some it's going to. Act on it you make disrespect. Disrespecting everybody if we if we ended up with Thunder Pacers in the finals, it's going to mean something went terribly wrong right? Like there's the there's scenarios. Or would it have been to against door becomes thirty points per game score locking down everybody in sight maybe it would've that. Howard Beck. This this will always be the door bubble. But that is long as I probably said it this way I said as long as one of the usual one of the the the expected teams, one of the favorites wins and at the time that was bucks. Clippers Lakers, two of the three of which are gone that will feel like it was legit. It will feel normal it will depend to extent of WHO's there. Now that said we're at the final four. Miami and Boston were both teams that you could have could have foreseen making a run. As one who is always in you can now call me a hater, an anti Milwaukee Hater as one who was always saying I didn't completely by into the bucks dominance based on the record alone always thought they were vulnerable I. Don't think it means that much that they're out I don't think that puts a dent in any of this doesn't it doesn't it doesn't. It doesn't an clippers the clippers that are really choppy season. I'm still a bit stunned that they collapsed as badly as they did, and I still believe that the clippers on talent alone listen on paper doesn't win anything that we know this and the clippers just proved again but the Lakers were always a legit title team. And if they somehow were to lose to the nuggets, the nuggets were. Team all year top three team like these are there are no outliers there are GonNa, the Doug It. Have earned respect obscene. They're they're boxed inbounds play from being one at all the talk right now being about the nuggets and how resilient they are again and how they're right in this with the Lakers. Okay. That's the march, and now they got blown out in game one. So the Lakers in the aggregate have pretty much handled the series Boston with Hayward back is legit. That's legit team. That's really really good team. MIAMI. 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Let's get back to Anthony Davis lasted for two summers ago when the Anthony Davis trade speculation was starting to bubble may was not even just started the it was overflowing. The Pot was overflowing the bubbles or boy all over the kitchen I wrote that any Anthony Davis trade has a chance to be or maybe I don't remember exactly I might have argued that it will be the most important trait in the NBA since Kareem Abdul Jabaar traded to the Lakers and that means traits. So No free agency signings I didn't count those no sign and Trades I didn't count those. Just in terms of twenty, six years old. What this guy can do on both ends of the floor and the prospect of whoever gets him. Assuming you can resign him which I think is a safe bet for the Lakers. Yes. You are getting this player from age twenty six till TB you're not getting player from thirty to thirty eight or whatever. You're getting the best years of this guy's career and I think so far what we're seeing is that that's been proven to be true in Anthony Davis. Or. Maybe not that that's been proven to be somewhat true anthony. Davis in the playoffs has been ridiculous and if you WANNA stat. That sums up how good he's been. In the playoffs so far the Lakers with Lebron the bench are only minus for that doesn't sound great but the Lakers have spent the last two years and even this year getting absolutely bawled when ever Lebron rests their minus twenty eight with Anthony Davis on the bench. So they're non Lebron lineups performing better than their non Davis lineups well, I think his defense. In the last two series has been outstanding a totally different way than what we know when that toyed way. But in in Houston he was a rover, he was everywhere he was like totally just flying over the court rotating to everyone running shooters off the line and then running back to protect the rim than running another shoot up here he's alternating between two or two or three different types of defense depending on the game, and he's been just wrecking stuff all over the floor and offensively, it's not just the three point shooting at the Buzzer. It's not just a twelve thirty three. He's cooking Yokich in the post one point two three. Points proposed up Anthony. Davis far the series that's a monster number. Yokich can't keep up with this face of game. He's doing just everything at a super high level and. When this trait happened. There was a tendency in the media myself included to sort of marvel at everything to Orleans got right New Orleans got everything. You've got all the picks got all swaps. They got the right. The right to defer a Lakers pick. If they thought, they would be worse the next year like that's incredibly unusual but even in writing all that at the time. It I wrote it really may be all that matters. Is that the Lakers got Anthony Davis because this player for the next five or ten years is worth whatever you gave up for one year. If disaster happens any leaves your now it's complete catastrophe but for five or ten years, he's that good. He's the backstop in the Bronx. Also, you don't have a Brooklyn Nets situation where traded everything and you stink because he did it was good and this playoffs has paid it off. He has been unbelievable in the playoffs I wrote at the time as long as I'm pissing off every fan base in the same podcast, I wrote the time that the Lakers won the trade but lost the negotiation. One the trade because they got the best player you get Anthony Davis. You won the trait that's easy. It doesn't mean that you negotiated well and they didn't they gave up way more than they should have had to give him. The Davis, demanded a trade had all the leverage in the world and only wanted to go to one team the Lakers. But yeah, nobody will give a crap if they win the championship if they win more beyond this and. One of the amazing things to just looking at this postseason. Runs Zach. Lebron. Is Down to sixteen point eight field goal attempts per game in this playoff run, which would be if it holds up the lowest of his career and we always wondering like when is that shift GonNa come and the no-no Lebron still drives US thing. There's a reason. Lebron was even a distant number two number two in the MVP race in a d certainly got a lot of ballots but we all understand that as much as he needed Anthony Davis and Lebron is the engine and everything else of this team. But. Anthony Davis averaging twenty two field goal attempts in the two games so far in this series Lebron fifteen and a half, he doesn't have to heavy lift and we've always wondered if and when the shift would come. Like the brought. When we talk about like as Lebron's window closing we it's because Lebron has number-one option Lebron thirty six in December. But if if this is what we're starting to see is is this inversion. where he is still the ultimate playmaker, he is still the one who drives the offense. He drives the pace of the game. He puts everybody in the right places. He plays defense he does everything else that he does. But if the scoring load is shifted that much more toward Anthony Davis than yes. Then you extend your your championship window potentially for years because he doesn't have to do as much heavy lifting while I think zooming even further out than Anthony Davis. Trade, I think the other big story of this season. For the Lakers? Has Been. Anthony Davis was arrival Frank Vogel's arrival. I think all of that. The brand is smarter than all of us combined about basketball I. Think you looked at his team in his coach and said, we have a chance to be really good on defense this year I'm buying in from one I'm not saving myself from the playoffs now that doesn't mean I'm guarding the number one option every night because I'm thirty five years old on third all time in minutes I'm too old for that. But I'm buying in every night I'm going to be a monster wrote around the floor. He scares there were a couple of threes last night. Jerry grant got the ball open because Lebron was helping him and one pitcher pat of it's not a pitcher pat one thump thump of Lebron's footsteps at Jerry ran was like holy dump passing the ball like I, want I want no part of even shooting three with this guy coming happy and he's been doing that all year he did not do that in Cleveland he did not by indefensibly in Cleveland two point in the fourth runs in Cleveland. And the look when I was doing defensive player of the year and all defense stuff you know one of the things I do is I is I asked tons of people for their opinions, players, coaches, GM's etc I also as analytics guys around the league what is your secret stuff? Tell me about who the best forwards are whatever. A few of them came back and said, you know you might surprise you but our. Ranks Lebron is the best defender on the Lakers did not Anthony Davis to be that didn't pass my pass by test because it I've Seen Lebron play defense. He's been amazing I thought Davis was still better but the fact that there was via systems around the league spitting this out I think that's the other big issue or the other big story line is at the Lakers have bought in front. They wanted what Lebron Bison from day one, it's Lebron James Everybody has to buy. There is no tolerance for dispassionate defense from anyone in we have seen the payoff for that in the playoffs they have been outstanding defensively the against good offensive teams. I mean. You're not going to hold them to like bottom five level points per possession, but you're gonNA, hold him to good enough that you can win and they've done that. There was a possession last night. I think it was the fourth quarter. Maybe I'm not been earlier. Anthony Davis snuffed out to Jamal Murray. Attempts or on Jamal Murray and forced them to go the ball twice in the same possession. Out on the perimeter. Anthony. Davis it was like a little fast fish signed swim around and octopus and the octopus be like Nope I'm over here over here. No, I got eight arms and they're really logging gay bisexual fish. You think you're you're had a great postseason fish you gotta work your Clutch Fish. But you can buy me. Insane shouldn't be possible. Speaks to why Anthony Davis is such a great defender and. You know it's funny. We we forgotten the fact that every Bradley is not there. Every Bradley who was supposed to be one of their key backward defenders and every series I've kind of tried to throw that out there as the clever kind of well is this going to be the series where they Miss Avery Bradley? Well No. Apparently apparently, they're not going to miss every Bradley. No matter what backward facing whether it's the blazers, the rockets Jamal, Murray. I wonder about this too though. So for the last several years here, we've had this like very you know Unicorn Small Forward Driven League, right? It's quite Leonard. It's Kevin Durant. Lebron Lebron's that having to face any of those guys and I wonder if like at least some of this, Lebron whether it's defensively or was just the energy he has for offense like the broad hasn't had to deal with. Some of the big time assignments that he's had in some of the past postseasons because he's not getting Paul George. Kevin Durant obviously not a factor the season. and. Michael Porter Jr., and Jeremy Grant or not exactly guys are going to be testing the at least at the position. Right? Lebron does much more than just guard as position. Well, looming in the next round should the Lakers advanced and I say shook the Lakers advanced I mean it because I am done assuming that the dug out of a series until the final buzzer goes off in Yoga is on the flight back to Serbia for some to bobby. Is Jimmy Butler and her good in. US It's IT'S A it's it's heaven. It's Jimmy Butler Jason. TATUM and Lebron figures to get some time on both of those guys. One of those guys if. If the Lakers events. Yes and none of us are going to sleep on the nuggets ever ever ever ever again. I tell you if you don't Wanna get called out by Jamal Murray, you don't want it to happen to you. Know certainly not by the way, one of the things about the nuggets that I think is a lot of fun and. Just. On the Yokich side of it major mammaries had a phenomenal kind of coming out party and his postseason how I did a feature on. Yokich. A couple of years ago when they made me. Very. Angry because you got all the good yogurt stories and there was. There was none left for any of us. There was one about him eating ice cream from like a barrel of ice cream that may be Perry. Tim Connolly was phenomenal for that story and Yokich was great. So at that time I remember talking to Mike Malone for like a half hour on one of their off days I was out there for a few days in one of the things about his team like was he was really nice team. It's a really nice bunch of guys. Everybody's about the right things. And they're all they get along well, and they got the right values as players but it was almost like too nice and part of that not just whether they needed some nasty as pop would say but also like Yokich was like this emerging star who was this kind of very sheepish about his stardom, right? Yokich like his English was still coming along at that time. He was you know obviously still a bit of puffier version of Nikola Jokic but he also there was no assertiveness about him. There was this a playmaker but not as a score. and. Now you're seeing them go to town on guys and you're seeing them like go right into eighties body last night in I think me you know I'm sure this has been written somewhere but I feel like it has not gotten enough notice maybe just it's it's been more gradual than that. That Yokich, I just feel like looks like a much more assertive star when we talk about one of the reasons I, think that he he doesn't get enough. RUN FOR FOR MVP or other. You know awards whatever the last couple of years is that he doesn't strike us as the typical Alpha dog wants to tear your heart out. Kind of store the numbers are there the winner there? But there's something else missing that he doesn't fit that archetype rest arrested the but but right now, like look look at the way, he's going that guys and I I feel like that part of it has emerged regular season Yokich averages twenty points game. Playoff. Yokich is averaging twenty six points a game without sacrificing any other parts of his game. I said last week on this podcast. He is the true everyone is compared to. Since he came into the League for obvious reasons to to me yoga choose the true heir Dirk Nowitzki as the greatest crunch time scoring big man of his era guy. You can hurt you from every place on the court has is obviously a much better. Yokich is guy there just hasn't been a guy like this but in terms of big man score that you can give the ball to all over the court in crunch time you makes you pay he's he's the true heir to Dirk. I think were we've talked about Last. Week is in the books. Now it's time to review the tape prepare for this week. There is no better place to get on all the action than with draft kings the leader in one day fantasy sports to add to this week's excitement draftkings as a free shot at millions of dollars total prizes up for grabs. If you haven't tried draftking JEN head to the APP store now because you don't WanNa, Miss this draft your lineup and feel the sweat like never before. On tasks and catch means more with draftkings. It's simple. You Pick your lineup stay under the salary cap is important stand of the. CIT stacks up against the competition nothing at the excitement of watching the game quite like having a shot at millions. 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Is Anthony Davis Center is it's super size lineups with Kuzina at the to what is their identity on the floor and I think you know their rotation right now suggests that they have figured out sort of big complete all different styles in you know they they have this nice set in stone rotation, they started their starters. The Davis Center with Lebron Resting with Lebron back. Then, they go. Lebron comes back in, they go with this Caruso Rondo Kouzmine James Davis Lineup, which is done very well. Then second quarter Anthony Davis takes his rest they keep up day. Stay small put Markeith Morris. At Center, the Caruso Rondo Coosa Lebron Marquee Marcus plus twenty three in thirty seven minutes in the playoffs are second most used lineup I was dead wrong about market more. Site did not think you would give the Lakers anything close to this than Dwight ad have been coming back in this series of it. Sort of TV from their vogel can finish out this last six minutes of the half. You can feel it out though I WANNA go back Anthony Davis Center as he did finishing last night's game when the Lakers were in the mud and they've developed. He's just figured out the roster in how to flow back and forth between styles. In in in I think at the bedrock of all, that is, who is, how are we going to remain a sound defensive team, the entire game and they they have gone from a team where I just didn't know who was going to be on the floor in went to right now they know exactly how they wanNA play every minute of the game at at mapped out. Not, only that and isn't it interesting by the way? What was Vogel Their Third Choice? Well. What was I knew who who else was involved? It's all the money, Williams Money Williams and then. Something like that but it it just it just shows you but one. Vogel probably did not get enough respect for what he did with the Pacers. You know however many years ago. That was. and to that sometimes You know team teams don't. The as as as the twists and turns of the search process go on you don't know what you're falling into what you're missing, what you're ending up with just anyway, I think the Frank Vogel story as this because he's such an understated coach and we don't think of him in that way. It's this has been an interesting emergence for him as well. Quietly the the rotation. Let me think about how many times we wondered over the course of however many months. Can they really rely on Alex Chris Lagasse Resents Fun Stories Nice Good Player Great Underdog. Fun Story the way he looks the way he plays all that like it's all fun. They call them to go blah blah blah. But like deplace serious minutes in a at any, it's we're in the conference finals now, Rondo we all every time Rondo comes back with my gosh are they really going to keep investing this many minutes? In Rondo, in year whatever it's been five years since we last thought he really was was still I thought Rondo was a plus player for them all year I wrote about a couple of. December you did you. Just Rondo. Is a basketball player. He knows how to play and Yeah I get all the reasons why he's unsexy some of the analytics weren't good but like the guy knows how to play in that matters it matters in the playoffs and by the way if the nuggets wanted sure ups, one thing in this series that may actually be under control Rajon, Rondo pick and rolls one point six points per possession in this series don't the Raja Lebron pick and roll destroyed them Rajon Rondo, Anthony Davis picket role they just they need to find a way to get under those picks. They haven't been able to do that he's just picking them apart. So go ahead no, no, he's he's been he's averaging like what? Eighty eight assists a game or something and he's averaging I the desists per thirty six minutes in the playoffs in Shooting Ten of twenty one on threes he's been outstanding. So this is what's amazing about Vogel's rotation and it just about the Lakers general because one of the reasons that some of us I lean clippers hard by the way Laker fans but I did lean clippers like a lot of people did before the season because the clippers had more identifiable plus players and options throughout the rotation and the Lakers, all these guys I think vocals using them perfectly with none of them are I think going outside of their own boundaries that often no one's being stretched either in minutes or role. But. All of them individual. You look at you go. Yeah I guess you could get away with having that guy for this amount of time in this, but you wouldn't want to do too many and you look up down the roster and there were too many guys who you had question marks about and none of those questions are mattering right now I think they're being used perfectly into they closed last night's game with the lineup that I've been waiting for them to use. More in Nets Caruso Casey PEA Green Lebron ad with apologies to coups. My might be their best lineup only played it something like eleven or sixteen minutes or something I think eleven minutes in the playoffs and it's because they haven't needed to play because Rondos been very good. Crews was been very solid and their centers are in this series or contributing, and that speaks to I think again how they're gonNA contributions from lots and lots of people that above above expectation and it comes down to again. I underestimated maybe a little bit the degree to which having Lebron Anthony Davis buying in on both ends of the floor solves almost everything like solves every problem that you have and You know we'll see if the nuggets can get back. In this series. But I'm sorry you wanted to say something else I think. No I think the only other thing that hit me is that we've we've usually seen Lebron teams as being look. They've been all big three's right. It was it was him and weighed in Boston than it was him and Kyri and Kevin, love and this is the first time where we didn't really like the the himself said this right we're not the only ones though. As as dumb outsiders who who wondered, well, who's their third best player who's going to bring it on a night when one of the other guys off a little bit or the just as they need that other that third score and and you know the Clippers Williams and mantras heroism as a one two punch and what are the Lakers have and Lebron himself even said once. We. Was Him if he asked her set that we need Kyle Kuzma to be that guy. And, some nights is so nice. He's not will. Tell you this. He's brought it and I wrote this in the beginning of the bubble. He's brought it on defense the entire bubble if you watch a lot of their possessions last night. The Lakers defense has been beautiful in the playoffs whatever there's a nugget slipping. A little bit to the rim there's always a little flash. Sometimes, it's crews my in from the corner. Sometimes it's Rondo in from the corner, Caruso had a great stunt up to the wing and then back to his guy in the corner and swiped the ball they are covering for each other on a string of it's been really cool. It's been really cool to see and to me I mean. I've I've selfishly want more of this series because I love to watch Yokich and I love to watch the nuggets more specific than that I. Think the most interesting chess match in the series is Murray Yokich pick and roll or Murray Yokich off ball action. The Lakers switching that a lot down the stretch of game, they stay tried to stop switching it because Yokich picking them apart a little bit. I'm just fast but they clearly entered the series saying we are comfortable switching nece or comfortable putting a much smaller human being onto Koga and we're going to double him and work were confident. To some degree that we can rove around the floor and and rotate and reset in and snuff their possessions that chess matches gone back and forth, and we could talk about a little bit but that that is where Anthony Davis has been monstrously effective in the playoffs. So there's a center on the floor, right? If Vaillant white is on the floor that. Ad Guarding Bill Safire Jeremy Grant Yokich starts going to work in the post against the little guy. He can off those guys in just wreck everything, and that's one of the reasons why they've been able to survive to some degree. The degree that they've not just been totally destroyed by Yokich is that he's on the back line. Then rotating out to the corner. Now, things get a little different win eighties at center, and he's the switching on Joel Marine. It's a little harder frame direct stuff but. When they have their big lineups on the floor it's really hard. It's harder for Denver. To get traction to some degree with those place. Which is amazing too 'cause you think Yokich getting switched small switched on a Yokich is it should be deadly and doubling of should be deadly because he's such an incredible passer. To be able to get away with that at all on the Lakers part. Is is is rather remarkable and yes against eighties value and you can see you can see Their Denver is very aware of where Anthony Davis is when Yoka just posting up a smaller guy in that help is coming because what he's on. Uri. So when he's playing center is switched onto Murray, Murray has figured out only two places I either need to be on the other side of the floor so that Anthony Davis cannot do anything to get you just just. Rained terror at the rim or I need to be one pass away where he helps down Yokich can kick it to me and I can shoot a three or a third guys going to rotate to capacity at a big big three's like that one at the end of the third quarter. So it's just it's just an interesting chestnuts to see Denver has the really hard. Clays normally, pretty easy for them. Yokich passing to open shooters, Yokich passing cutters you'll get just picking people apart like a surgeon. He's still doing some of the against against the Lakers but because of the Lakers size and because of how much ground Lebron ad cover on the floor, they've got to think a little bit harder about how do we move the chess pieces around to make it tougher for eighty two just wreck stuff everywhere that's attributed to how good he's been. No doubt what happens if Michael Porter Jr. suddenly emerges in this series is that a possibility? There's a that's a fun wildcard. He's playing a ton of minutes for a rookie who barely played in the regular season up until they got to the bubble and he's had just enough like. Breakout Games that I wonder if he got loose one night with that does for the nuggets what do you have fifteen last night on six nine? So that's that's a decent 'EM PJ game yet. They've gotta get. They can't have Gary Harris I. Think he had one basket last night. They can't have Harris grant at millsaps give them nothing by the way it's a small thing. Jeremy Green had no rebounds last night zero yet four in the first game. If you look at Jeremy Grants rebounding rate in the playoffs, it's like. Like Not Good for a guard like not good for a small point. Guard. And they're getting cooked on the boards here there. But the Lakers both teams are offensive rebounding quite a bit. Look like weaken dissect this series. It's fun at the XS Fun I just can't imagine Lebron being able to see the finish line of the finals losing four out of five to to any team. and. That's no disrespect for the nuggets who have earned our respect and by the way we keep you just mentioned, can mpg be a wildcard. We should keep reminding people will Barton who've restrictions of their seat who for both of their season was their third best player Is Not ear and completely changes everything about the nuggets they're. Absolutely, and another defender to to throw it Lebron and. Another that's more like fresh meat to throw Lebron. But still he's he's a he's an ambulatory six. That's it. I'M GONNA be in front of Lebron. Fair points. do you want to switch gears and talk about the Eastern Conference finals? Oh sure we've still got some time. Yes or do you have any other thoughts and I know the been? You're you're you know you spent a good chunk of your career around the Shack Koby Lakers. We've talked about that a lot. I know that franchise sort of just seeing them succeed. You have a lot of connections there stuff. No Listen I. Just obviously look the when we start going broader assuming that they make the finals assuming that they're on track for their first non Kobe Championship in one thousand years and given all they've been through and Kobe's death and all the weirdness of the season and. About Lebron his first year there was was a WanNa say. But obviously was a massive disappointment and the injury for them to be this close for the possibility of they're going to win it. I. Just think like I it's it's it's remarkable and I know listen to the Lakers near because of the Lakers. That's how you get Anthony Davis and the broad in the first place. But for everything that they've gone through and also just the tumult in that organization in the last several years which we don't need to review. Their on track for what could be a really rather incredible. Offers a vindicating moment or just just just a typical Laker moment where this team is always kind of just seizing the top of the mountain again And and you look the the sentimentality that people might cringe at. It's going to be impossible to avoid and I don't think we should try to avoid it if they can win this in the same year that. Kobe. Parishes a helicopter crash and everything behind it. You don't want to Overdo that and you don't want to You don't want to get happy about it and you don't want to trivialize his death either and start playing on the symbolism too much. But it but it's meaningful. It was meaningful to that team at the time it happened so many people in that in that organization were so deeply deeply affected by it. It has been something that they have talked about as been. You know a a rallying point. An emotional tethering for them. Together. So I I just. If they make it. It's going to be very emotional. I, think for a lot of people and. I've intentionally sort of put that stuff off until the end. That stuff and The brand Jordan stuff. Until. The end because I want to see how this plays out I have enough respect for these other teams, but you're right and. They're playing great though in their half court offense did they've they've largely solved? What was what to be a problem for them is not been a problem in quotes I, mean a, it was a first world problem for them. They're playing well, offensively no matter who's on the floor I would like to see a little bit more when he's at center I feel like with Yokich on the floor, they can get something out of that I wanNA talk about the basketball I'm not ready to. Go the other places yet, but we're almost there two games. The finals last week is in the books. Now it's time to review the tape and prepare for this week. There is no better place to get in on all the action than with draft kings, the leader in one day fantasy sports to add to this week's excitement draftkings as a free shot at millions of dollars in total prizes up for grabs if you haven't tried draftking congestion head to the APP store now because you. Don't WanNa miss this draft your lineup feel the sweat like never before every run past and catch means more with draftkings. 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Boston rallied one game three almost handley and then almost Gallo scary for them at the end because the heat I feel like if every game were sixty minutes long the heat would be undefeated flanking the heat in the nuggets would both be undefeated? Yokich Yoga's at Ironman you can play like sixty minutes a game. But anyway the the Celtics got a little scary toward the end. They figured out some stuff about Miami's zone hayward getting back up was huge for them Jaylen Brown head. You know considering the circumstances, maybe the best game of his career I mean these like you can take all your regular season games. They're great. A must win game three against a really good team that was a monster performance by Jalen Brown. What are you looking forward to as we enter game four, which is not told Wednesday as they have this weird three days off here in which I think is. How did that happen? I think they might guess without having s anyone in the NBA 'cause I don't care that much that they want the West in the east they want the West to catch up to these. Every other day but I think. We can argue about with this benefits who inherits but to me anything that gives hayward a chance to find his legs and recover from playing came out play thirty one minutes he played more than I think he thought he was gonNA play maybe. I think that's big for Boston. Boston is now outscored the heat for the series. They were right there and games wanted to game for. Ice I just love a good game for two one now obviously, if if Boston wins game for its to every game after that becomes enormously important, pivotal pivotal elimination games but I LOVE A to one game for because it's going to define how the rest of the series feels if Miami wins that it feels like a fait accompli that is going to the finals if Boston wins at its best of three so much feels at stake in a game four like this Boston played game three with like our season on the line urgency. I think gave at Miami thought very hard I. Don't think Miami played any less hard than Boston there is a difference when you're season is literally on the line I think game four is going to be an absolute war I can't wait to watch what are you looking for? Well by the way and quick aside because this is something that we haven't. We haven't said the words homer away this entire podcast and nor nor should we necessarily but I want to take a step back to note because one of the reasons that you love a game five is that it's is pivotal game where every every both teams have had their two home games in of it's tied game five is often determinative of the series and a lot of that has to do with. The home away rhythms of normal series and like right now like Denver doesn't have that comfort of stupid cliche of well, they just held serve, which is, of course, the cliche that most and we're going home and we have the comforts of home. No you you didn't have any discomfort necessarily, but you have no comfort either so nobody gets the emotional crutch. Or. Boost of of the home crowd or of saying well all right. Let's put that behind us. We're changing scenery were changing. Venues will be sleeping her own beds like none of like none of that comes into play eventually someday while we will not be fixing asterisks I think we will at least. Be. Curious about how some of these pivotal games these moments were you know the Celtics are down to two one and they've got that one more game if that were at the. Gordon. We would think that that would be that much more. Of a boost for them what if they lose it? Will we say well, if they've been like I, don't know there's all these. What if that in the moment right now nobody cares the basketball has been great and there haven't been any real massive anomalies in this post-season. The only upsets, nuggets clippers isn't that big of an upset. They only separated by three wins I think in the regular season In. MIAMI OVER MILWAUKEE. I'm I'm going to say it was not as big of an upset as appears to be even though it it will go down that way anyway. I just. I'm curious about how we will ultimately look back at how the psychology and the lack of travel and all that affected the way these series unfolded. and. This is one of those moments because he'd Celtics game four is is huge I. WanNa see one of the fun things about the heat. One of my favorite things about the we we talked about this team being defined Jimmy Butler but Jimmy Butler is averaging like I dunno twelve shots game in the postseason or something. He's fourth on the heat and field goal attempts right now, and he's the as the eighth most field goal attempts in this series because Jimmy Butler is different kind of start to build around and I love what it says about him I, love what it says about the heat but I'm also curious because he's had a forty point game within the last whatever two weeks I'm curious if there's going to be like Jimmy Butler game where it's not the couple of defensive positions at the end that went as he has. In this series but whether whether there's going to be Jimmy Butler putting a stamp on it because at some point. You do need guys who who, who, who can be those takeover individuals and the Celtics now with Hayward back in assuming he's up to speed between Hayward and Brown and Tatum and Kemba, you've got four guys who can all do a ton of stuff with the ball in their hands and he'd have a little bit less flexibility that way and I, do wonder when this comes down to to Jimmy like. Doing what we are used to seeing the the lead stars Nestle. Do see I love the Jimmy thing because you know he commented after the game it's getting old now w to come back more deficits and there have been all of these public calls for Jimmy's got assert himself to be can hear Mark Jackson and Jeff, Gundy I on the broadcast talk about how Jimmy needs to you know get involved earlier. I'm very interested to see how approaches it because those are easy things to say and I don't think they're raw. I think I think there is such a thing sort of waiting too long for the game to come to you but I also wonder given the way Miami plays if he goes out there and tries to force it if it could backfire on them because it takes them out of the rhythm that they've been in authentically it takes them out of their system in you know he's being guarded. By tatum smart. I thought smart ongoing drag. It was a huge adjustment by Brad that was a very good call in Jalen Brown. I mean all three of those guys are all defense level defenders of died. I only voted one of them on my to. Because you only get ten as much as people think he should be should be on HBO and. Not a crime, you only get ten spots we need. We need a third we need an old offensive third team NBA. It they're all better than anybody could throw at him other than Janas who the bucks barely through it because the bucks just they just don't do that. It's just not. It's. It's in the bucks bylaws apparently that they can't do that very often. Plans Zero Council decided that. So I think I'd be r.i.p to the leadership cancel it was very effective in its day. It was it was a really good governance. So it's easier said than done for like Jimmy, just go out and get thirty against those guys. Right I mean it's just it's not that easy and I'm interested to see how cowie approaches the game I do think the Celtics smart on on drudge in hiding Kemba on Jae crowder about Brad was a little bit late to do that as much as he did but it but it worked in I would suspect that we will see that again from the jump in game for. Gordon Dragons by the way. Since. I was jotting all that down and and listening this garage leads the heat in field goal attempts in the postseason by a lot. Mean look the story of the heat, Jimmy and Bam could all the attention and I mean I've not very many people like Bam out more than I do outside of his immediate family. It's very well deserved. But the story of the heat has been crowder dragged hero outperforming expectations and big reason why the heat loss game three was crowded three point shooting finally fell back to Earth epic you was to of ten in interestingly he took a few off the dribble. which is a sign that it's is a win for Boston. So one of the reasons you put Kemba on crowder you say, okay is probably not gonNA postgame up that much a tribal twice. But if the he redirect their offense to getting Jae crowder in the on ball action is a screener in a more high volume sort of centerpiece scoring option. That's a win for us because he's GonNa take some shots that are outside as usual shot that that happened. That happened in game three, they also played. Their five players Boston they're super small lineup with Simon that small but Kemba smart tatum Brown Hayward plus thirteen seven minutes with Jalen Brown mostly starting possessions on Bam. Tough sledding for Did you did a great job? We'll see that lineup again. So Boston unveiled some cards in game three that work now get to see what Miami doesn't in response. I love that lineup I. I hope we see more of it it did it has has death death lineup potential. ooh ooh. I don't mean defensively clearly I just not. Being able to be that small and that that versatile. I just think that they attack you from so many different positions there that I shouldn't say death lineup that's addicted. That's just that's like hold. That's like invoking some kind of like holy. Talisman that just like it should only be used for specific situations. Strike from the record your honor. I don't judge you for a a let it go. Who was kind of? Judgy though. I mean, the death lineup is there's only one can see your face 'cause we're doing this over video so I could see there you were judging. But it is a very good lineup. One of the things I think Miami can do is Kemba still has to hide somewhere and he was often hiding on tyler hero down the stretch and I don't think they went at that enough tyler heroes capable as a shooter obviously and a ball handler that use them screener use him as a ball handler don't let Kemba off the hook if he's on if he's on tyler here and he was for a decent amount of crunch. So, one of my favorite things is especially this point of the season I wanna see whether teams can conform a new path to to the title or even to the finals and. The this is this is why by the heat of Intrigue Me Since Day One because if you look at the the Celtics have to emerging young stars and they've got you know an older star in Hayward older star folder ish in Hayward in Cambe. In it is it is much more I would think not in terms of positionally but just in terms of profile, the traditional way forward, the heat the reason everybody's slipped on them was because we you know they looked at Jimmy Butler certain way Jimmy Butler. People. Spend way too much time over analyzing the last couple of years of his departure not spending time thinking about why he was moving on and who he was moving on from and I think he was. You know you can disagree with his tactics or is his demeanor at given times whatever but Jimmy Butler been a bad ass the whole time and he's really great and he's as we know a perfect fit with Miami. But I just think that it's interesting the way that they have emerged because. The heat if they can get to the finals whether or not they win the championship, this is the new way. This is a new way forward this is a different profile. This is not a three star super team. This is not even a traditional to star team 'cause. Bam. Doesn't fit that profile even though he is a star Jimmy is not a takeover star. Jimmy's not the twenty twenty, five shots at night. I have to have the ball in my hands the time he's not by the way along the way here. heliocentric has has. Taken a big blow to the chin. The three highest usage guys I had looted to this in a rocket story back in July, the three highest uses guys in the League. Hardin. Who are in the in in these plans actually this season period in the regular season. Hardin Janas Luca. All out by the second round. Or. Before the conference finals, so like these teams that are more balanced. which the Celtics are, which the heat are, which the nuggets are. I also just think is worth noting for a minute that it's interesting that that if we're looking for new paths forward especially for smaller market teams or nonglossy market teams that cannot just collect. Superstars and free agency. Can you build a little differently and what Miami is done in a combination of Yes free agency signing trade with Butler but mostly player development and? Smart Trades and even some not. So smart trades and the drugs trade was killed for a while because the the two picks Phoenix anyway I I love what the have constructed because it is very unconventional. Any any huge contrast to the last finals team that they constructed a back in two thousand ten? Three Bam centric things that I'm going to be watching game for. Number One. When the game was Outta hand the other night. Bam got a couple of posts scores over Boston's wings. It wasn't over Kemba was it was over there stout wings Jalen I think was Jaylen was hayward. If he can get that in the a play. That's a big deal because it limits Boston's ability to switch input, they want smaller wings, they want Jaylen Brown obviously to switch everything I want to switch as many things as they can. They don't want Bam rolling free for dunks like he was Tyson a moat, the whole game game to get one. That was interesting to me. The second thing John Shuman wrote array piece about. We all love bands ability to switch one to five like you cannot isolate against. Bam, you just can't Jason Tatum can't Kemba Walker. Camp you just devours everybody but the downside of that is is human it I don't know that it's the downside that's the point is that Bam often ends up at the top of the ARC defensive defending away from the him because he's switched onto a guard and so Boston, was okay bands up at the top of the key. Duncan Robinson Jason Tatum just drive fans not near the rim anymore. I just don't know that John suggested maybe this switch a little bit less Bam hang on the rim. I get that. I just think the value of taking away you're picking game and making you play. Eyeso- over and over and over again is so high and I do think Bam can do things like if I've switched onto Marcus smart I don't have to hang that close to Marcus smart I can come back to the nail to try and shut off the drive dare Marcus Smart beat you with threes which he will be more than happy. To try to do and the last thing is. Bam Kill Bamboos Dunk Parade in game in game two. And game three if you watched some of the clips. BOSTON, was on him with the help defender a little earlier in a little more aggressively than they were in game two in wasn't just helped defenders off Derek. Union. Andre with WHO spent a total on factor even a couple of Times Duncan Robinson Davis side we can't just blew ourselves to Duncan Robinson on the weak side can band is killing us we're going to try to get away with it. There was one dragged through a pass and as soon as a browns sense, he's passing. He's sprinting Dunkin Robinson had actually swats away the lap. There's another where Marcus smart comes off in early. I wonder if the he will see it film and say, okay, that's that's interesting. Should we look for Duncan Robinson a little the ways to explain that those are my Bam centric? Battlegrounds for game four. I can't wait for him for I can't wait. I Love I love to watch both these teams play I think they're both really, really fun to watch. Lasting? How did you? I Wanna about the social justice video because it was beautiful the message was beautiful. How did that come about? Obviously, you wrote it yourself you wrote the essay yourself. How did this come ballot and you know I just congratulations on it went. Viral I guess it was all over my twitter feed last night. Thank you. So, Turner launched that show the arena as they were. Creating the bubble, right. So this was this was a acknowledgement that we are restarting the NBA season under very unusual circumstances both the social justice apart of the pandemic part of everything. So you know I think they intended the show to be a a you know a broad thoughtful discussion of everything both on and off the court that would be different obviously than inside. The NBA at the time that they launched it, they reached out to those of us who worked for VR MAG, Beer magazine saying look this is going to be you know a of Turner personalities NBA TV and others, and and some guests that a commend Hilden Essay. I think on the very first show but they said we want to use the writers from BIARD MAG. If you guys are interested. It was an option for us and so several of US stepped up and said, yes, we we'd be honored to be part of the show for sure. Of course, it's a great opportunity to do something. So master to fashion had one the other night that was also on the social justice issues. There's mind David Gardner has one coming Jonathan Abrams has been coming. And of course, as people know several weeks ago, there was a decision made that magazine is not going to be around much longer. So I was concerned the time we'll we're going to do this because I I very much want this opportunity. And props to Turner and everybody in. Atlanta for immediately saying, no, no, we don't WanNa do this and if you're still willing, it's up to you and I said yes absolutely. I'd had this thought in mind from the beginning. You looked at all those jerseys and I alluded this the beginning of the video I think most of the focus was on the ones that are very like they're the various supportive messages that are obvious and you know exactly what they mean. You know black lives matter enough. Say their names, some of these are very evocative and and and clear, and it always just hit me that the ones that were you know listen to us here, us. As I said in in the video essay it that was about a specific audience like. Black Americans don't have to tell the black people listen to me. They all know exactly what the the issue is what the concerns are. What the challenges have been. It's the rest of us. It is it is it's white America that has not been listening not paying attention that is responsible for the system that we have. The society that we have. and. So it's up to us to fix it and so. I just I just thought that there was something play off of their to speak up in the way that and I will say listen. I've admired the last few years how emphatically how passionately and from the heart Gregg Popovich has spoken on on these issues as a white man saying I have a responsibility that Stan van Gundy has said that Steve Kerr said that Kyle Korver in that phenomenal essay, he wrote for the players, Tribune. I think Zach you and I both probably feel a kinship to them in that in that same sense of responsibility. But we're not in those same positions to stand up and say, listen to me right like the coaches have a standing their their their sports celebrities in our Culture Kyle Korver certainly. So Steve Nash others who have spoken out as white people in a largely black sports saying it's my responsibility to those that I that I work with and. You know. I I don't I am not in their in their in their plane. I am not at their level of notoriety of celebrity of anything and so I was a little bit. Hesitant to say how do I how much do I want to put myself out there on this for media I don't I don't like the idea that I wanna be preachy I. Don't WanNa be lecturing but I also do feel a responsibility and I do feel passionately about this and these are discussions I've had with a lot of friends of you know of of you know across the you know. Across the spectrum of every race and identity. So. If I can say that in conversations with friends can I say it on in a video essay? Can I can I? Can I put this message out there and I wrote it up, send it to the folks at Turner they liked it. We didn't really change much of anything. It was a minor tweak here and there So props to them for just the support for. For believing in it and for for creating an incredible video with all the be roll and the score and everything else to go with it turned it a fantastic job. And I was just honored to be part of that show and into to be able to do this I am I am happy and relieved Zach that. Eighty five percent of the response last night. Over twitter and otherwise has been positive. There's been the usual scrape. Yeah, the the the the usual nonsense the usual racism in ignorance and just stupidity or insane people whatever. But I'm happy to say that that the majority of of the feedback has been positive. And I think people. Understood it and it resonated in that That makes me feel good. Glad. It did it did resonate. And you know I. I credit the players because the players have. Have I think four. Media entities sometimes not enthusiast on the part of the median cities to essentially declare what they stand for. In the players who have said you know were at eighty percent black league. You guys ask a lot of us. You know you make your careers because our skills aren't the entertainment that we provide. You ask us to do interviews. Yes. Because to tell us about tell you about our lives how we feel after big games. Big Moments. You got you got to be with us on this. There's no more. There's no more neutrality. There's no more like wink wink neutrality where you play it off Laker neutral but you really are not afraid to save where you where you stand. You want to be partners with US talk about partnerships with us. You know you have to you have to show where your cards are. You have to support us and I think this is all happening because the players just said. Enough, enough talking around it. Enough enough whatever in day have led all of this. From the beginning including the bubbly you went back in. You know talked about the messages on the jerseys in the bucks leading what became a seventy two hour wildcat strike basically. The players have the players have done this. The players have changed the parameters of discussion and I think that's Whether or not it was inevitable or not the accelerated, and that's GONNA end up being healthy. Absolutely all that and I think for us who cover the League look there's two ways you can approach this you can. It's a new story, and so we can take our usually our typical emotionally distant quote unquote objects. That's about what I met Bhai Wink Wink neutrality like I'm just going to cover the news. But listen if I were still working for the New York Times that's how I would have had to approach Zach. I wouldn't have been doing a video essay because the Times doesn't have that option anyway. But working for traditional media as I have in the past in the newspapers and special times, I would have covered this as a new story. Maybe I would have written some some other analysis, the story that I did about Lebron James in July about how he has. Made. Possible. A lot of today's NBA player activism through his work the last ten years and I think he's made. It's kind of more comfortable for everybody else to come along when the face of the League does this I wrote about that back in in July I could have written a story like that for the Times as well. What I could not have done though is to say, I'm going to step out of my. My emotionally distant cutoff journalistic role where I just I just cover what I see in front of me. I convey what's there and I've I've fulfilled my responsibility a journalist and as a human being a little bit just making sure that people. See and hear the message as I translated or as as I. Describe it or conveyed in my writing, and that was fine for for much of my career to are in a moment here, and I am fortunate to be in a place where I don't have to to to play by the media rules where I have to lock myself within certain bounds. So. We all have a responsibility we all have to. Carry that out in the way that's most comfortable for us, and where can people working people see your video but the other than go through your twitter page where can Easiest way for people to see it. It's on MBA DOT com. I saw somebody linked to it. There I. Think the TNT's website must have it as well. It's definitely on NBA Dot Com it's in my twitter feed. In it's on it actually the NBA The NBA on twitter feed is an easier place to find it because there's just not as cluttered as as as with other stuff but NBA. Twitter feed, which is a stat at NBA. We're MBA, DOT COM under their video section with tickets there as well. Watch it. It was cool to see it last night and Howard Beck obviously your work needs no further approbation by me. Whatever is going on at bleacher report is whatever of the people will continue to read in consume you. And I look forward to seeing where life lands for you in the next x months but you are always welcome you're on the low post podcast we will always say what up back in thank you for coming on to discuss the conference finals and everything else. Appreciate you my friend. Thank you. We will do it again soon. I'm sure and maybe back on mind before mine disappeared Scott. GotTa do it gotTa? Do it right? Thank you. Got Him.

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PHI/TOR Game 2, POR/DEN Game 1; The Free Agent Shooting Guard Class

"Got a lot to get to here. Tonight. A two game night villi taking care of Toronto to even that series at a game apiece. Huge win for Phillies seemed like after game one we could be headed to that five gamer that I think Danny and I bowl predicted. We still could be going in that direction. And then we gotta talk about Denver Portland and gift to some free agent rankings as well here. But I think where you have to start here is with the defensive adjustments that the Sixers made which I thought were very successful. Yeah. And one of them was something you posited on our game one recap which was kind of figuring out. Okay. How can you slow down? What Toronto is doing and the idea behind it was there are the similarities in terms of the lack of in-between game. I think is very near the mid rid the pull up mid range all that with PASCAL Siaka Magnon us, and what some teams have done including Philadelphia on Janas is put a center as this primary defender and using Joel Embiid in that matchup. One of the biggest benefits there was that. He was able to be so much more disruptive around the basket. Yeah. I thought that Toronto really struggled to finish around the room and Siaka in particular was forced into a really rough game nine of twenty five from the field. Only got to the foul line for two attempts twenty one points overall and yeah got up to twenty five shots. But he tried him beat a couple times early beat him with one spin move early on. But overall, he wasn't really trying and beat and beat was just laying back and saying, hey, I'm seven two you wanna go into me, generally Ciocci has had the length and athleticism advantage are most guys who guard him. He was able to get those great touch finishes off the glass moving to the room. And Embiid really denied that from him. M Siaka did hit two of seven from downtown. But it was a lot awkward shots from him going seven out of eighteen from two point range and a guy who who shoots Iran sixty percent in a lot of games. So that was huge just to slow down Siachen him. Self. And then to also be able to have more help available on some of the drives. Leonard was still thirteen at twenty four. But when Embiid was in the game, he wasn't doing as much. I thought his looks were a lot harder. It was still a dominant game with thirty five points. He's really the only raptor who played well ofensive Lii, and they tried to dare the raptors to get into the post of Marcus all they had some success doing that briefly in their run in the third quarter, forcing some double teams with the gazelle guarded by that usually Tobias Harris, but over August all was only one out of six in one of four from three. So it's not like he was just killing them in the post probably could go to that a little bit more when they made a concerted effort. It looked good well and not only that, but the concerted effort hell was a part of getting to my Sarasin foul trouble. He ended up finishing with four. But and so it didn't really affect the minutes. He played, but it could have an indifferent game that could have altered it. But I want to talk a little bit about Toronto what they did from to. And I mean, they were just devastating. I mean Kawai Siaka overall in game one fifteen to twenty five around the rim. So. Solid. You know, not not not particularly ridiculous in twenty five attempts is okay. Especially considering Toronto got to the line for thirty one free throw or sorry. Not thirty one free. Throws four fifteen free throws. That was important. I was going to get the wrong one, but twenty five restricted area nineteen float arrange, and then and they were only seven of nineteen there and then one of ten for mid range. So I'm not saying Joel Embiid is the reason they were one of ten from mid-range, but scaling out there shots not getting as much run the basket not getting as much as three throw line. That means you're going to have to get a larger part of your diet there and generally speaking, whether it was due to Embiid or not that wasn't sustainable in this game. Yeah. Meanwhile, Ben Simmons had the quite match up the whole time while we mentioned collided pretty well in this game at and whenever he got a switch, really feasted but Simmons forty four minutes only at six points, only took six shot attempts only had five assists. But I thought he was really important to just not let Leonard get anything easy. He competed. He got over screens. He wasn't going to get physically. Overpowered really the only wing guy who falls into that category with Leonard and then that freed up Jimmy Butler is well to do more offense ably he had thirty points, which is seventeen more than anyone else on the Sixers headed going from three point range with four out of ten got to the foul line few questionable ones. But he was just more much more active offensively got up twenty two shots, and he was able to relax a little bit more defensively hideout on either Lowry or green the a little bit more green usually was Rettig. But it wasn't as physically punishing a matchup for him. So he was able to be their offense of engine. I thought they did a nice job of attacking Markelle soul and pick and roll more often, especially when and we'll get to this. Why a director to make some rotational changes, especially when Embiid is out of the game. And so then you're basically it's pick and roll with Harris and Butler the whole time, and so Ishak is probably more mobile and better suited to defend in pick and roll, then Gazulas whereas. Console obviously is great in the post against him bead. So yeah. Thought the strategic changes worked they also just executed a lot better boxes and elbows really helping even one pass away off of Toronto. Shooters in Toronto finished a miserable. Ten out of twenty seven with some pretty good looks from guys like green Genucel that just didn't go down. I thought they also did a better job of making Leonard's looks tougher from three was three out of ten after four eight in the first game. But they really especially in that first quarter, which set the tone and trial in only at seventeen points. And remember both Siaka Ann Leonard had seventeen points in game one in the first quarter. I thought they really made it more difficult quite did find more space to operate as the game went on. But particularly at the beginning of the game. They're able to shrink the flora on Kauai and make his life more difficult. Speaking of shrinking I thought another important element of this game was Brett Brown, narrowing the rotation. They were running a seven seven but Moore of eight I guess man rotation James. NS the primary bench guy all their starters. Played thirty two plus minutes and leading score in the game for the Sixers James Ennis. Yeah. NS was two of six from three four of ten from the field. He played twenty four minutes. I thought he really did add add something and just also by not being a negative the way that a lot of their bench players are then the other primary spot was backup center that I thought Greg Monroe today. Really good job is surprisingly good job. During his minutes crashed the offensive glass was not as much of a liability defensively. But then he sprained his ankle. And they had to go to the tribe. Bon to try to Johnson. I thought Amir Johnson did better of those two. And then they had Joe Bolden playing spot power Ford minutes. Basically, just filling the gaps for when the other starters sat and no cork MAs. You know, none of the other kind of stuff. And I thought that I thought that worked a lot better for Philadelphia concentrating their minutes among their best players really did make a big difference. And also another thing when mentioned Philly twenty two assists on thirty made baskets and in the first. Half that was fourteen assist on sixteen made baskets some of that was you know, there wasn't as much. Joel Embiid isos. You only took one field goal attempt in the first half. But also, I thought they were moving the ball better. To those definitely the case your assist does look better with when you make shots and Philly shot at great eight out of fifteen in the first half for downtown. And then they proceeded to go to outed twenty in the second apple though, they did hit a one huge one with Butler that managed to keep him in front. When Embiid got double team in the post amls, totally op in some out hooked to pass all of the opposite wing for Butler three. And I think also just Butler being willing to be aggressive from downtown to get up ten three point attempts. And that wouldn't wouldn't shock me. If that was his season high three point attempts news averaging like three or four game. Maybe an they need that from. They just gotta get that spacing with Harris it having another rough night. And then Embiid twelve points to of seven six turnovers, he did actually succeeded in getting one decent. Look, actually. No, I'm sorry. I should say. To decent looks against Marcus Elliott that important up and under late off drive as Walney head. What one little flip shot a random, but gazelle still made his life premiums role in bead? In addition to the knee issues was a under the weather as he colorfully put it after the game or more colorfully put it I should say than saying under the weather. What else stuck out to you about this one? What you were right, which we've outlier he had nine. I think Uley had nine once and then he had eight a couple of times. So this was the season high of three point attempts for Jimmy Butler. Kyle Lowry was just he a lot of the shots. He was taking were fine within the course the offense. He was just missing them early. He was two of six from three but started out zero for four and then had two big three's that cut the margin late in when Toronto made this significantly more interesting. And then something else we didn't talk about was Philly one of the reasons even though they they shot a little bit better and Toronto just missed a ton of Tuesday's. Well, a reason this game was was a little bit. Closer was the huge disparity in turnovers. Nineteen to nine in favor of Toronto and half of the. Those were were still so wasn't a completely ridiculous number. But that is still I think that's important and something that I thought was was striking was leaking through the cleaning the glass single-game stats. Philadelphia had a point three six point per possession in transition in this game. So that's another another area where you would expect them to be better turnovers. Maybe not going to be better. But they should be better. In transition. Pseudo thing that needs to get a lot better is Toronto's bench. They weathered it. Because their starters were so incredible in game one. But I into be outscored in bench points twenty six to five after their bench. Did nothing in the first game balk at it. Okay stretch. But norm Powell really got roasted on defense. Isaka didn't really provide the spacing he'll about thirteen minutes in this game. Vanfleet was negative eighteen in eighteen minutes. And he really just continues to not be able to create any kind of offense in pick and rolls on the second unit when they got Leonard out of the game. He NCO comb just were not able to get it done. I do think now Toronto if it's gone. Going to be Embiid guarding Siaka. Okay. Now, put Siachen missed the ball handler and pick and roll put a shooter to screen in the back of Embiid and then pop out and now you've got something Siachen is capable of handling on those plays. And if it bead crowds to go under I think, you can still have Abobo guy set that screen on him caused problems. Even Siaka is not gonna pull up from the free throw line ease made one of those shots in the playoffs. But that's not really his game. And it's really as game to shoot three's author drool. But I think that's something that could work because imbued just isn't mobile like that. And then if you force help you can have a shooter probably Danny green would have to be that guy or even coli pop out give you the better match up. I did think that the Sixers overall in this game did a much better job on those small small pick and rolls involving Rettig guarding. The screener of though Toronto did start to get pretty good looks on that late em. You know, we could be talking about a much different game. Here of Toronto doesn't go ten out of thirty seven from three with some of their best shooters affiliate was ten out of thirty five. As wall. So it's not like they had a ton of luck the office of rebounds, actually, ended up even curiously enough. The Sixers did make it a lot easier by turning it over nineteen. Tonnes of what even kept this remotely close. In the first avenue is fifty one thirty eight at halftime in the Sixers turn it over twenty percent of their possessions. But I think is going to be a high turnover series for them with just how active Toronto is and some of the truncated spacing that they have. But then the other adjustment. I think that has to happen is just a little bit of a change for the raptors. Because as you often say, they need a theory of the second unit that's going to work, and maybe that is putting a soul in and just matching up his minutes with him bead. Then I'll I really like you Baca as a matchup offensively against Monroe as well because it Baucus pick and pop can really stress out at Monroe's lack of mobility. They did put Monroe on on the also it's unclear if Monroe's even be able to play in the next to him which amazingly for a guy who was on the last week of the season could end up being a blow for Philly if they have to go back to. Bon again or Amir Johnson. I I've affiliate will be Amir Johnson. But Amir Johnson it's going to be able to finish anything on a pick. It rolled away Monroe was or hit the offensive glass. He's just you hope he can be a stopgap defensively. But I think having a soul in there to second unit will just run a little bit better. If they're gonna put him beat on CRM with that second group now, you can get good soul in the posted. And maybe set up some shots for guys that way have those guys screen free other and just you'll have fewer dead possessions. Where you're the only guy who really can pass on that second group is then fleet who's really getting him in the offense. And he just can't finish at the ribbon. All or even really pull up for range. Very well. He just doesn't have the size of the explosion to get the separation and do that. So I think Kosovo really helped them on both ends if you matches minutes up with and beat out probably be my first look at Nick nurse. You know, this is one of those others like, yeah. You know, we won the last game. It's everything seemed to be working and y'all this. This kills me like coaches do not adjust when they win the game. And. Now you lost the game. Maybe because you didn't fix something that you could have fixed. You knew this as a problem, but we want we're not going to change. No, probably be proactive and fix the problem and said the point about the second unit offense, I think is really important your to the defense apart Kosovo doesn't much better job. Joel Embiid than search bucket that that isn't breaking news. But also remember that you're using a bucket center, then and you're you're losing a soul in certain lineups. When am beads on when embiid's off the floor will you should be able to score in those lineups. Anyway, like that do you should be able to have personnel. Make makes him. Hey, then and that gives van and van bleach to have a little bit more real estate all those things. So I think it's just it's a natural fit. And also because of Joel embiid's limitations due to injury since it sounds like I mean, the word that's been used. A lot is tendonitis. That's probably not gonna get meaningfully better during the series Kosova will probably play similar or more minutes than beat. So squaring their minutes to is. It isn't a problem. It isn't like you're creating some sort of gap. You're just allocating differently. Couple other note. Here. Go soul needs to just keep gutting from three point range. He's open. He can shoot over who whoever's guarding him there. Helping a lot at the rim. He just needs to make those shots and take those shots like they're kicking it out to him. He's open your only one out of four. He had one play where he was wide. Open pass it and said Danny green who got a shot blocked in the corner when he should coulda just taken. I know he wants to move the ball quickly and get the ball out of his hands. But he's worked very hard on that shot. I think he needs to be aggressive with it. Because the raptors offense does run if he doesn't take those shots in rhythm. I thought you were going to go from that into Danny Green's rough night. I me he was plus fourteen. And I thought defensively he really did did bring things to the table and his force basing matters. And also he's better than their bench guys because the bench guys do not play. Well, but one for eight one for six from three on the looks that you'd want to take in this game was close enough that after a scramble play coli. Leonard was a loose ball coiling or gets kicks it to any green has a three pointer that could have tied the game late and Danny green misses that shot to finish the. For six Danny green? Also, they haven't really gotten burned on this yet too much. But he's making a lot of dumb gambles. In the backboard, either going for offense of rebounds, or steals. He hasn't gotten any of them yet. It seems like every time Toronto's just so long that they've picked him up. But what jot I think they're going to get burned on a couple of those eventually for Philly. We didn't think they could win games in the series. Unless Embiid was one of the best players on the floor Mimi best player in the floor. Those not the case but Jimmy Butler did that instead with his thirty points. You know that probably is not going to happen. Again, annotate Toronto could do a better job on him particularly not following. But this is if it's going to fall apart for Toronto it's going to be on the offense event. You know, they have some streaky guys Lowery in green or good shooters. But no, we've seen green kind of wax and wane at times they have five guys in their starting lineup who can make three, but none of them who are just insanely reliable. So and they don't have a ton of playmakers especially a they're so dependent on CRM as a secondary score. And so if this is gonna work with Embiid garden. Him and he kinda gets taken out of things, and you can get more help from Embiid as well. You know, we might see Toronto starts to struggle to score in this series. So yet really it comes down to now, Nick nurses, time to adjust. They've gotta find a solution to get more production out of these bench units. And they've got to find a way to let Siachen get those rib attacks again now that he's being guarded by Embiid anything else you want to say on this one. No, I think that's pretty good cover of it has this game change how you feel about this series in over. Obviously, the the likelihood now is that it's going to go more than five. But is it changed your overall feeling on the dynamics of the series? Yeah. A little bit. I think that it was a reminder of something that we already knew which was that Toronto's offense is less consistent than their defense and finding something even if it's only for one game with the Embiid Siachen thing, and I think it could it could have some real legs to it that that makes me feel a little bit shakier about Toronto for me. It was it was the question of five or six I think six is is more like significantly. More likely now than it was before. But I mean, Philly just has taken business win at least one of their home games to get that split and Toronto. We're you're not only looking at this round. But the next round and the idea of them having some rough shooting nights is is something that gives gives me a little bit. Pas even if they make it through this for a potential series against whichever team makes it out of the other side. I didn't anticipate that the bench would struggle so much compared to Phillies, but it doesn't look like Mike Scott is gonna be returning anytime soon. He's still in it walking boot with that planner fasciitis may be he could make a return later in the series. I I'm worried about Greg Monroe a this ankle injury. Frankly, he couldn't continue that in usually you'll see guys can continue that it'll swell up them and their endanger maybe for the next game. A lot of times with these ankle issues. But if he since he couldn't continue tonight. That's definitely a concern. Is they got to go back to Bo bond or Amir Johnson. All of a sudden things are looking a lot worse. Maybe we'll see more. Ben Simmons at center lineups James Ennis will play even more than twenty four minutes. I still like Toronto in the series. Antic date easily have the best player in I Leonard. But Philly made it made it interesting that they know answers for Siaka game on and now they've found and that makes me feel much better. What makes me feel worse is Joel Embiid still having zero impact whatsoever an offense, but maybe this is going to devolve into somewhat of a defensive slugfest at and you imagine him beat will play a little better at home pumped up by the home crowd. I talk Denver Portland momentarily. But first I want to tell you about quip out. No that we look at ourselves as the most entertaining podcast, not a lot of quips between me and Danny. But that's because all the clips are taken by quip, which is the best electric toothbrush in my opinion. If you haven't used an electric toothbrush yet, you've probably got sweaty to got plaque on your tease, you could probably even feel it. The vibrations of your toothbrush up you dislodge plaque from your gums from your teeth, and you're not reliant just on muscle power. 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GT Q IP dot com slash cats faced off your that slash cat's face. You are L Plum. No that you came from us and get that first refill pack for free. So I used to the same question about Portland. Denver a one Twenty-one one thirteen Denver Nuggets victory in game one. They lead by five or more basic. The whole second half blazers got within two goes one on one ninety six and then Denver pulled away. Again. I pick Denver in seven. You had Portland in seven has this game changed your thinking on the series at all not a ton. Because this idea of how Denver could win was absolutely there. I mean, Nicoli Yokich was fantastic. They had a one twenty-seven offensive rating when he was on four. I mean, everybody's scored a lot of the time, but Yokich thirty seven nine and six on twenty one shooting possessions are sorry, no twenty four shooting possession, and he was dominant. They were lasers were able to get an his Kanner on the floor. I was shocked that he played as much as you. Did he played thirty three minutes, and despite really not being able to do much with his left arm, and they had no answers, and you can say, oh, you know, cantor defensible mutations though, the old camp stuff. But when you think about the other options that they have and Portland tried some of these later on in the game. Those don't make you feel much better. If better at all. Towards the end they tried 'cause the Murray Yokich pick and roll just completely destroyed the blazers in either direction as mostly one five sometimes they ran it that that five one as well. They also ran plays. Where Murray was screening for yoga Joff the ball that worked pretty well. They're just had absolutely no answers for that m part of it is because both Murray and Yokich are really good floater shooters, especially when they're wide open, which they were I think maybe a judgment that Denver could do is to put more length on Murray with amino Arcus, just you can bother him a little bit more from behind because you just can't get Kanter out on the floor. You got it. Just stop Murray the same way the Spurs kind of did with Derek Whyte at times just to get more length on and bothering him from behind Maria is not incredibly athlete. He's got a lower released points. You can father his shot a little bit that might be one thought that they could go for. But I mean, they just got completely carved up on that yoga's just going to the rim and finishing cancer can't really contest shots with his. Left hand. He's too slow. He he's not good at in space, and then the nuggets shotted extremely well. From three point range when they tried to bring more help in Yokich was three out of five as well. Cancer is not going to get out on the floor on him. If he decides to pop out to three after some of those the HBO's Murray was getting some pretty wide open looks. He was three out of sixty eight a great game with twenty three points on seventeen shooting possessions in eight assists. He was passing the ball over the gym looked pretty good. So it's like we thought at and then when Yokich got into the post they weren't able to stop in meet and get the line for twelve free throw attempts. It was just completely dominating performance. And we knew that Portland just wasn't going to have a much of a chance to stop him and cancer. What did have twenty six points on eleven of fourteen himself at some point Denver's gonna realize that he can't shoot a shot with his left handed and causing more problems around the rim. But he'll cantor had some good pick and roll finishing Dame. Lillard also had thirty nine points himself. And he was outstanding in forty three minutes by. Essentially, the whole second half. But I do think if you have to pick who has a better chance of slowing the other team down to some degree. I think Denver at least Fahd a few things that worked. Okay. Whereas the blazers just don't have any options at all. It was a brutal night for Alfred amino. He gun completely roasted by Paul Millsap in the first half Millsap dropped fifteen points. Sorry. Seventeen points six of eight from the field five of five from the line a lot of that at L free communities expense and then Millsap partially because he played so few minutes in the second half didn't have as big of a time. But then he had some real struggles. Offensively also committed some fouls in other players. It wasn't just on Millsap and one for five from the field three turnovers. No, assists and Portland. They don't always need to step up on a head L there threes or something else. But I thought both heartless and immu struggled immune far far more and that combined with CJ not having a great game. He he put hit some shots late. But that. Puts so much on Lillard shoulders and on the bench shoulders, and I thought the bench did they okay? Overall for Portland, but that overall mix is going to be really hard to sustain as brilliant as debut Lillard can be. Yeah. And Willard was four twelve from three. I thought they did a pretty decent job of not giving him wide open. Looks a lot of times bigger on. He was he was able to sneak the pick and roll he was civil a split. Some of those traps, they didn't have Yokich out on the floor as much defensively unless it was on the side where they could kind of travel against silent force me to give it up, but the allows them Zia will do attack ill and Yokich was not very effective as a rim protector on a lot of those plays Plumlee, they're able to he's in theory is more mobile, but you're still able to go around him big will destroy, you know, I'm not saying that Denver's defense was awesome. But just to get as much as they did out of Gary Harris McCollum really got off relate. I thought Harris just got beaten straight up by him a few times with quickness which probably shouldn't happen with Gary Harris of because he's got some pretty good quickness as a defender, but he started. To play a lot better. He did a really nice job at getting over some screens and helping to contest also blocked a Lillard three when they switched Harris on the Lillard late in the game. But I like the Harris McCullough metro think Harris actually can impact McCollum, whereas Lillard, it's more more pick and roll. And it's really more dependent on the big there with Lillard. A a lot of the time. Lillard also had got some pretty friendly whistles as did some the nuggets in the third quarter to but a lot of those falls on the drives work pretty questionable of that ended up putting the line for what upping thirteen free throw attempts. So that was impressive though to hold CJ to sixteen points on eighteen shooting possessions. Like, that's really what they need in this series. And then I thought at other really interesting number was only one three point attempt combined for me new and heartless amino heads some big shooting games against. Okay. See so Denver, at least and was Lillard taking twelve of their twenty nine three point eight times. I thought they did a better job than. Expected of taking away Portland's three pointers and Portland really failed to take advantage of the corner. Three at all, which is a shot that Denver gave up a lot in the regular season and Portland only took two corner threes in this game and throughout a lot of the game hadn't taken any. So that was good to not give up a those corner. Threes, portland. Also just needs to like actually catch passes better. You know, they had ten turnovers against a defense an eighteen in the first half in eighteen for the game Lillard had six zero. My recollection is that a few of those were pleased that it seems didn't catch. He also got stripped a couple of times Yokich had three steals. I think a couple of those came on Lillard at as he was trying to snake through on those pick and rolls. So you'll get did make some plays of the rim protection as mentioned, it was not great. But that's something where I don't think Denver is going to be as successful as forcing turnovers against this Portland team in the future. And it was the other great shooting game for Denver with a twelve twenty nine from downtown. We'll and twenty seven to thirty one from the free throw line. That's another. Another important one that was a difference of four attempts, but seven makes thought that was a big margin. I also thought that both teams with the exception of Damian Lillard who played guitar second half. Basically, the both coaches overused their benches, and it's this weird dynamic where both teams were doing well enough or they just kept their guys in. But I mean, we were going crazy on the NBA cast about Paul Millsap being out as long as he was when you pull me had some moments, but he's not a better player than Paul Millsap. And it's not like he's a better fit for the series or that there's some sort of specific matchup, but it was largely a similar story for Terry Stotts as well. I thought he leaned too much on Evan Turner in the first half. When Turner wasn't really bringing as much to the table Seth curry, you know, they're using him in some small lineup. So it's not just like that that Harvey second unit, but also like Portland to have these guys that are capable of heavy minutes. And they could do a lot more damage playing against these bench units for the for the nuggets. And so I thought. Especially in the first Portland didn't take sufficient advantage that just kind of seated a tie when they could have done more with the they did only play Lillard and McCollum seventeen minutes in the first half. But then the plan apparently was play Lillard the entire second half amino and heartless the thought was bring those guys in earlier, especially for Turner. But neither of those guys that are good game in apartments that have falling out in twenty two minutes. Although that was really the idea that they're going to switch this Murray Yokich pick and roll with Harkness in a menu. And then that one of those guys was gonna guard Yokich in the post that didn't work too. Well, in theory, if you're gonna do that you need to just double heart. They didn't do that. We'll we'll see if they go to that strategy more. But though as we sat in the NBA casts doubt was one of those strategies try because not because it seems like it's all that great. But just because everything else is it working in your desperate. And I just I mean the centers cancer buyers Leonard that Collins is that by the best of those guys tonight. But you know, he's gonna follow like crazy. Brought he can't play more than twenty minutes. I just don't see what their options. Are against Yokich. They can't stop Millsap. They can't stop the one five pick and roll. I mean, I I agree with you more really for Denver in both with Plumlee playing a lot with Morris playing fifteen minutes. Marie only playing thirty four minutes. Barton sixteen. He he was one of the few nuggets. Who is in the negative Morris was negative ten Beasley at least can shoot the ball. He is was twenty eight minutes. But yeah, I mean, I think more Murray more Harris more Millsap, Tori, Craig doesn't have as much of a purpose in this series to me he had four thousand nineteen minutes. I did think he made Lillard work some at the start of the third quarter in particular. But to me both of these teams like you're not going to stop the other team. And so in particularly at Portland's case. And I think we'll just see more this now with especially if immune Harkness can't play better. We're just I just play stuff Dory at the three. And we were just gonna outscore these guys that's really our only option you. I I think this series is just going to trend even more towards offense than it already. Did in this first game when the teams had one twenty three and one fifteen offense. Readings both of those one sixteen. I think led the league for with the warriors. And what's even more ridiculous than that? Both teams had the offensive ratings in the half court in this game one oh nine for Portland one thirteen for Denver incredible. And that that shows you really that. It's like we don't have a plan to stop these guys right because all right, your interest, dishing the matchups or screwed up. Maybe turned it over whatever. Like, okay this. You're not gonna stop these guys. But yeah, I mean that that's a great point that in the half court when you're just you're running your stuff, you just don't have a match up to stop the other team. And I mean, I think Denver in baby do just enough to disrupt Dame and CJ and get the ball out of their hands. But Yokich is just so versatile with where he can catch the ball and third Portland. Ultimately while they are a very good offensive team. The only do a few things that same C J in pick and roll that really are gonna worry you'll cancer. Posting up doesn't really work as well. And Yokich is good post vendors, we're not going to see that as much whereas Denver does a lot of things Portland. Can't stop any of them. So I I'm feeling pretty good. About the Denver in seven pick him. Yeah. I very easily even if Denver wins game too. I could very easily see Portland winning both of the games at home. They great home court there as well. So this is an over. But certainly early on here. It looks good for netter. But remember if Nicole Yokich and Mason, Plumlee, don't combine for eight steals, and Portland doesn't turn it over eighteen times. This is a very even game or both right there. Couple other things. I wanted to mention briefly a lot of Rodney hood on the second unit. I thought he he was their best bench player overall, seventeen points. Five ten from the field hit a couple of threes in the early going and was a more reliable creator. I thought he you know, he got two spots authencity and did a decent job. I liked him out there better than Evan Turner. Something else. I thought was amazing looking this up Portland had six steel. So of only half of Denver's turnovers were steals on those sixty miles Portland scored zero points that's bad at another quick note here to watching this Portland defense in this game. Just reminded me of how pathetic that offensive perform. Silence was from okay. See in the first round in this. It's just it's all like the fact that they couldn't take advantage of Kanter and pick and roll. And some of the size issues Portland has on the perimeter. It's it was not far better than not good is Hulu fitting, I suppose that we've already talked about Joel embiid's game and Damien Lord's game. Joel changed his nickname from the process to Joel Hulu has live sports impede, Damian Lillard gotta tattoo that says who has live sports, they want you to know that Hulu has live sports because who is paying them to tell you that. And I would like to know that who has live sports because they are paying me to tell you that as well. But they're not paying me to tell you that I really love their original programming as well. Penn. Fifteen for example, is fantastic. Great great comedy look ups on the reviews of that. If you're insured they have the full Seinfeld catalog as well. That's a maybe my favorite show of all time. I can never decide whether Seinfeld or some of my favorite show of all time. Simpson's does make for better t shirts on the NBA cast. But Seinfeld is just fantastic. So having that whole cat. Along avilable is amazing grace original programs watch on the go and on all your favorite devices. And of course, watched them live sports as well. It's only forty five bucks a month. And when you consider that if you just paying for Hulu without live sports and live TV without paying for their sixty live and on demand channels, it's eleven ninety nine. So you really only paying thirty two bucks a month for your TV. In addition to their original programming, quite steel live TV plan required. Restrictions apply for that forty five dollars a month deal. Learn more at Hulu dot com. So we took stock of the overall free agency position of some of these teams and went through the free agent point guards. Now, it's time to take a look at the shooting guards did that last week. If you want to go back and listen to set the scene for free agency and a reminder again the way we do this divided into superstar star rotation and fringe in both the unrestricted and restricted free agents. And there is one guy look at as a star. That is Klay Thompson. Will be twenty nine this Aussies Thompson stands out as a player who fits damn near everywhere because he can shoot he can defend both guard positions. And it seems overwhelmingly likely that he will stay with the Golden State Warriors as long as they make a competitive offer, I fully expect them to. But you could imagine just about everybody making a hard push for him in that early going at earliest getting the temperature. And if he's interested those offers will be on the table, and he worked so well as a complementary piece to two stars that are on that are on this market or the ones that are under roster soon you like he's already played with. Kevin Durant could do that again he'd fit beautifully with Kawhi Leonard. I think those two guys together would be really destructive. So I wonder if he's interested in something else, but I expect he'll be back could complicate that potentially is if he makes at all be a team likely the third team if he does at the guard position that would result in him being eligible for a designated player veteran contract as a free agent which. Would bump him up to a five year two hundred twenty one million dollar contract, especially if Kevin Durant were to stay that would be extremely pricey for the warriors in terms of repeater tax dollars. And it was starting at thirty eight million instead of thirty two point seven million this off season. The warriors have got to be crossing their fingers that he is an eligible for that. Because you could see them if they don't offer him that full contract, maybe alienating him and wanting him to look elsewhere. And clearly every team with mex- base would love to to have Klay Thompson as you mentioned just because of how well he fits probably whatever contract decides will end up being a bad contract by the end. But he provides enough value on the front end of that that it will look at especially because a lot of these teams that could sign him are contenders. Obviously the warriors as well. And you imagine that what his size and shooting ability ill age relatively well. Is he going to be guarding point guards at the end of that contract? And maybe not but is also quite durable as well. So clearly the Lakers will try to get him maybe Philly if there's. I every team is going to want to try and get you would think at the starter level of got four guys in there. Although, you know, some of these I don't know if any of these guys are going to be getting, you know, the four year seventy million dollar contract that some starters get in part due to age in part because they're not as good as they have been in the past or maybe just overall a have some flaws, but Danny green at thirty two four years ago. When the max was a lot lower. I delivered had at least one max offer at that point said returned to San Antonio on a four year forty million dollars actually opted into his player option last year after an injury hit year, but shot forty five percent from three and it is very versatile. He is a excellent starting shooting guard provides some of the things that Klay Thompson provides, but he's older and obviously nowhere near as personal of a jump shot dot even as good off the dribble is clay and you'll probably as as little older may not be quite as good defensively as Claes, but still a very very valuable players. Just a question of. How's he to age over the life of whatever contra? Act. He gets. But I think for some of these teams that are going to strike out, but still might be trying to compete a two year twenty million dollar deal for him. It's something I consider now again, he's a guy who is undervalued by the league compared to what we've thought of him. So something like that. Sorry, two years forty million twenty twenty million a year something like that. But I think he's in the same kind of class as JJ Rettig was a couple years ago in that 2017 off season. You know, he got that one year twenty three million dollar deal from the Sixers, so I could very easily, you know, see a and B fits in. Well, with basically what any team is trying to do. He could also really play the three four you as well. We don't have a lot of threes available either ending to add on him. What Danny green wants in destination will be really important Toronto Durga and start the off season. Not knowing exactly how competitive they're going to be and other teams might have a little bit more flexibility. But I think Danny green is lower on in the pecking order on a lot of these teams. So he might just end up waiting it out. Just to see what team makes the best combination offer. Money roll ceviche of cadets all that all of those things. And this is the first time he's not only negotiating with the Spurs. So that could be or not only negotiating, but you know, that's the primary focus. It certainly seemed like going back to his last negotiation. Red IX free agency is fascinating partially because Phillies circumstances so uncertain if they retain their guys, and thus are over the cap team and ownership is willing to foot this kind of a Bill, then they have a lot more flexibility in terms of what they can offer Rettig if they become a cap space team that flexibility goes away pretty quickly and Rettig. This is to be thirty five this summer, what he wants in a destination is going to be important in kinda like Danny green where he might have to wait it out a little bit unless he wants to make sure he strikes while the iron is hot. Because once the money vapid, it's gonna be gone and Ruddock thirty five this off season can't really play more than thirty minutes game especially in the regular season. But still a very good shooting guard gives your often something to do with those DA chose. There are a lot of. Teams that could desperately use someone like EMMY he might be too limited in the playoffs will see how he holds up the rest of the this playoff run. Also, really interesting in Philly is if they do bring back Butler, an Harris that they probably don't wanna go beyond one year Foretich, but they might just pay him a ton for this one year and the just hopefully comes back for less the year after maybe declines enough. But yeah, that'll be interesting for me as the lucrative one year deals will be there for him. Do they go for another year? And and what is he wanted me? I think he'd probably he has a home in Brooklyn probably wants to end up staying in Philly if at all possible, it would seem contagious caldwell-pope. Pope had a really down year. I thought he was good in his first year with the Lakers, then he came in the Campo with knee soreness, but ended up actually shooting at better towards the end of the year. I still think he can play solid defense. If you go down this list, there just aren't that many shooting guards who can hit a three and actually play solid defense. And so I know that by Lakers fans, like what the hell are you talking about he's in the starter category? Y. About him about some of these other guys. But I mean, what do we tell you what the rest of the list is? Right. It's there guys who are just so limited mostly defensively in this groups of being able to have some kind of to wait brush, maybe he doesn't hit the three that. Well, but over on his grades been good enough. He's not a guy who just gets left open, Jeremy lamb, I probably have him down in the rotation area. I know your little higher on him, though, lamb is a great argument about positional scarcity. I I don't think lamb is among the, you know, the best players if you were to do so thirty teams five starters that'd be one hundred and fifty slots, I'm not sure he's among the hundred and fifty best players. But there aren't that many of those hundred and fifty that are that are twos. And so he benefits from scares the I'm not sure I'd have I wouldn't pay him starter money. I don't know if he's if he's a starter on most on enough teams to justify that sort of thing, also lamb twenty-seven. I don't think that he has more blossoming to do. I think he could you know, little bit of refining could help I do like game overall. I think he'll be undervalued in this market. Like a lot of these guys might be because they're not particularly sexy. And the idea of, you know, oh, we have to have a shooting guard isn't isn't as much of a thing as the other spots. But then remember also the the shooting guard scarcity couples with this small forward that you could say, oh, you know, you could slide you could slide somebody down not really because there aren't enough guys. They're either. And so that creates more of a need for guys like, Jeremy lamb, and so I could imagine lamb, and then we get into the rotation guys west bath use among Shumpert guys like that. I think Garrett temple to me is a great example of this. Where the teams that get them will be very happy because I think they're going to be undervalued in the Mark. Yeah. It's also worth noting to just how much it kills your offense. If you have a shooting guard who like isn't a good three point shooter. I need just have to get shooting at that. If you don't you just have to have so much other positions to make up for Terrence Ross at age twenty eight average almost twenty game for the match even been like right at twenty. And but the problem is he's just so bad defensively. That was exposed a lot by Toronto. Whether he'll be back in Orlando will be an interesting question probably depends on future rich, while they really wanna run back this team that was the seventy this year, but doesn't appear to have a ton of upside west values at thirty two has slowed down a little bit on both ends that post-game didn't really work too. Well for him in Indiana. Still shoots the spot up three in the high thirties, but doesn't do much else on offense can't really finish at the rim anymore after that achilles. And defensively he might even be better guarding threes at this point than smaller guys. He I think he's a little bit too slow at this point the versatility to guard bigger players and be tough and strong is useful that I I kinda have him higher end rotation guy. Tyreek Evans fits into more of the microwave score one of the few guys in this group that you look at its own who can run pick and roll for you on the second unit. But it was a real struggle for him. This series struggled with head to get that knee drain a lot in one of the least efficiencies in of. His career in Indiana. So I don't expect a big deal. You know, he could be another kind of prove it type deal. Tele Johnson as a player option? He's gonna pick that up Iman Shumpert. It hasn't gone. Welcome in Houston. He's only in the rotation in this first game because rivers was ill didn't play all that. While the rockets struggled to stay healthy against somebody has to have his miniature really Manjeet he emerged and played the three a lot. It's those some ability to guard up he's tough of but a very inconsistent shooter. And not a great decision maker on offense ease a decent bench wing. But you're not feeling good about him starting for you at the two you mentioned temple Avery, Bradley. He's interesting on whether that non guarantees gonna get picked up or not Memphis looking like, they're moving into a new era in terms of trying to be a little more profitable. So maybe that nine guarantee for twelve and a half million gets turned down. It's only think about what is it one point five million guaranteed something like that. So he could be on the market. He had a much better time over about twenty games in Memphis before he got shut down. He was one of the worst players in the NBA. TA playing with the clippers. So a lot of that's going to be either beholder who who else sticks out to you here way, Nelson still a dynamic shooter. I I was just a weird year for him because early on it seemed like he was being maybe a little bit. I don't know. If felt like I started the year hurt, and yes that was really that was really. But then he got up to you know, a similar role in Miami. Overall, you know like in terms of minutes per game and shots a little bit less, but not not egregiously once he was healthy. And so what what kind of a role he gets offered members signed that deal with the pistons after he was bought out by the Phoenix Suns one and want to mention not because you because of he's going to opt out, but I think Alan crab might end up hitting the market as a stretch provision player because if Brooklyn really needs that money, they might be able to trade him, but they could just be sitting there thinking, why would we give up assets because another team is going to see Alan crap is a negative value contract. Give up assets when as soon as we clear the space. Fine. And it's not going to be that expensive for ownership to stretch that out over three years the subsequent payments, even if they're just getting out of Darren Williams aren't going to be that egregious. So I wouldn't be totally shocked if they do well in free agency, if Allen crab hits the market and could be nice value signing for somebody Reggie block played well with the pistons. But then it wasn't really able to play as well with the Lakers. But he's got some two way ability Rodney hood signed arm. Sorry signed that qualifying offer with Cleveland approved a trade to Portland ice game tonight. But he didn't play that. Well in the first round 'em. You know, he's looking like another kind of proven guy. No, maybe he gets like a two year eight million dollar contracts up in like that to be the score off the bench. But another guy who's limited much like Rossa by just as lack of physicality defensively, Gerald green seems like another kind of minimum guy, but he is in Houston's rotation at age thirty three and Justin holiday at a real struggle. Once he moved to to Memphis, the he might be closer to a fringe type of guy anyone else. Stick out for you in the south curry, another one. Who had a good year this year shoots. Forty four percent from three would work really well on a team that has a another note a tyreek Evans type on the second unit to handle the ball than he can spot up. And maybe do a little ball on the on the second. But anyone else other than that that sticks out to you in this group? Will you brought up Seth curry? I was gonna I was gonna bring them up. I wonder what Austin rivers wants and his exclaiming minutes. Does is he willing to take less money to play somewhere where he can see where he can get a larger role or on a better team? I still think he has something to bring to the table and playing with harden, I think has has unlocked stuff, but not every team needs. Exactly what. Austin rivers brings news traded for mercy Ingolstadt during last year. And then there is slew of like kind of like unlikely lottery ticket guys in that fringe category for on Korkmaz's. I think is probably the best example that like the guy can shoot and that is really important that he can that he could potentially hit the shots, but he's a defensive liability. And I wonder if if another team can can just give him a small amount of money. I don't think he's gonna get some sort of. Easy contracts. This isn't like the Zona situation to be. But I certainly think that he's worthy of giving, you know, giving a spot to at the start Azizan than if he sucks than you can cut it. Alec Burks had a disappointing time in in Cleveland. You kind of wondered when he could do more of a role didn't do much, but maybe someone a team that just lack shot creation on the second unit would give a chance to let's turn to the restricted guys out. Malcolm Brogdon, very interesting situation in Milwaukee, he met the starter criteria. But his qualifying offer is going to be pretty low his cap hold is going to be basically right out. The minimum unlikely though they're probably gonna operate his over the cap team. And seems like after Chris Middleton he'll be their next priority. And I imagine this is going to be a lengthy negotiation. I don't the Zilly see a with any free agent at you're probably better off betting that there's not an offer sheet. He the bucks attempted to extend him giving in that Josh Richardson deal for years about forty seven million that was not to his liking. So he's looking for more than that as the starter. At age twenty six this offseason Murray's a pretty old rookie when he came. This is finishing up his third year. I don't know if there's a team out there that has cap space that profiles as wanting to give him a fifteen million dollars year offer. So obviously it depends. How this book season ends up to. But that's going to be a really interesting one. I'm not sure what he's going to end up getting. But if I had to predict yet, Marcus smart is gonna be a real interesting analog in a worst market. He ended up getting four for fifty and broadens is like, well, hey, I'm I'm a starter. You know, so he's probably gonna be looking for something in like seventeen million a year range, and my guess is it settled somewhere in like thirteen to fourteen million something like that. I mean brogden was like a fifty forty ninety guy this year, although the volume from three is not amazing. Will you brought a brogden is an interesting negotiation. He certainly at the top of that list in terms of restriction guys the Alonzo tree our situation is wild because the Knicks ostensibly an their finances changed a lot after this happened. They gave tree are a richer. Deal than they had to because he was a two way player and the way they structured it is got three point four million for this season. And then they did a three point six million dollar team option. And so by that being a team option they can pay him that amount than it's easy. That's straightforward. And then he would be a restricted free agent after that. But if they decline that team option than he is a restricted free agent. And unlike if he was on a two way contract or something else where it was where he had been low cost. It would be a low cap hold basically if they decline if they declined that team option, they're probably not bringing him back because then they would need to renounce the arena neither announce it or he could just sign that lucrative qualifying offer. We really wanted to. Yeah. And hard to imagine that they give in that qualifying offer that could vaporize four million bucks to their cap space. I ain't it's probably more likely that they decline it. Maybe they have an idea in mind of where they're going to go. And then they bring him back, but his capitol is pretty big to right? That's capital is like four million. So it's it's tough Roddy. Mcgruder got claimed by the clippers and he will have a low capital two as well. Interesting prospect is twenty-seven shot at recently while from three over his career 35-percent good defender, a little skinny to guard the three, but as a guy who's going to cost anything against the cap while they are doing their free agent shenanigan shenanigans as a solid death peace, and maybe even a spot starter as at the two or three especially I mean, I guess it'll be shamed. And shave starting at the one in the two, but maybe mcgruder you're starting three next year if they don't hold onto Garrett temple or Patrick Beverley, it's thought to basically for this off season have been count for so little now a salary for next year, presumably, it would be more. But probably not that much more. You don't see maybe a team would come with an offer sheet on him. But it seems like the whole thing was kind of arranged for him to end up with the clippers wouldn't surprise me. If they reach an agreement quickly for him to return, and that the get a rotation player for that low capital is pretty good. But I don't expect him to get much in the way of. Offer sheets other rotation restrictive. Rich guys, this you mentioned treater age Twenty-three Wayne Selden at twenty four. I can't seem as a rotation guy was amazing for the bulls this year, David Awada, probably not someone who works that. Well on a good team. But on a bad team that just desperately needs who can defend on the wing it at twenty six and can handle the ball at least get to the rim and finish it. You know, he could be useful. And then really the only other two guys that I look at Patrick McCaw still only twenty three but just offensively to limited in by opinion to get much more than just a flyer type of offer. And Tyler Dorsey who is one of those second unit creator types. But it's just not good defensively. He had some moments in Memphis, though. And and maybe someone that a team would take a look at that needs some creation on the second unit. Just throw into the mix. There's who could maybe blossom, and I'm not sure that McCaw would surprise me if he even gets a qualifying offer, frankly. Yeah, I wonder how Toronto and Toronto feels about his place in the rotation and the. Certainty that the raptors are facing financially team quality of those sorts of things I think those generally work against McCaw because the possibility that he just signs that qualifying offer. And because if he signs that offer then you'll be unrestricted after it. So it's not like we've been get that benefit of like, hey, well, at least we get restricted at the end of this. So I think it's possible that they do that. They see something in him. But it's far from certain and then for go. Yeah. My off season preview of the clippers off season, which is just so fascinating. And I think it might be the longest one I've ever written. It was I think it's eighteen hundred words something in that range going through some of their scenarios and the possibility of waiting to know got Nari versus cap space, which is a going to be a term thing. If like the first couple of days of July. They get some really good news. And I think that I thought that was interesting thing I wanted to game out a little bit zoo botches negotiations all that sort of stuff. I would assume that San Antonio is will be out soon as well. I submitted it so that should be out as well. And we will be we're not doing the NBA cast until Thursday. But we will of course. Have a dunk done tomorrow on what will be an eventful night of games game twos. Art, we'll talk to you all tomorrow night till then.

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Playoff Round 2 Check-in, Plus an Early Look at the Centers in the NBA Draft | The Corner 3

"Welcome to the ring podcast network in the past month. We saw the return of some of TV's best shows. So he wanted to remind you about a recap Ables feed where our staff breaks down current episodes from your favorites like game of thrones killing eve and billions also make sure to check in each week to hear special one off recaps on shows like the bowl type, very Cavalieri, Cobra KAI and more. So as you keep up with your top shows tune into the recap Ables feed each week on apple Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the NBA show. This the corner three my name's Kevin O'Connor at back Adrian you're studios in Los Angeles. It's ring associate editor, Danny Chow. I'm here. Still this calling from Dallas, Texas. It's finger staff either Jonathan sharks what's up guys. Messiah talk a second round of the playoffs. Hell, yeah. Made it it's been good so far recording this at twelve fourteen pm eastern standard time last night or this morning. A new podcast went into your feed from Jong. It's Alison halio Shaughnessy, which was an instant reaction to last night's warriors win over the rockets. So we're going to get started with Eastern Conference playoffs before heading over to the west. And then talking a little bit about the NBA draft at the end last night. The bucks beat the Celtics one twenty three to one zero two to tie the series one to one before the series of turns the boss on Friday for game three bucks. We're up three Midways with a third quarter up thirty seventy four to seventy one before unleashing a twenty nine to two run to win the game Jaanus had twenty nine points Middleton. Head Twenty-eight Bledsoe had twenty one and played excellent defense, which was one of the big reasons. Milwaukee had such a dominant performance charge on Monday and Tuesday. They talked about how they're not gonna make any changes to their scheme. But you wrote on the ringer dot com about how they should switch more. And that's exactly what they did. When usually they have their big man dropping in the paint. But instead they start mixing up their coverages with drops and hedges and peel back some Switzers, and that seemed to fluster the Celtics sharks it that was definitely a nice adjustment. My button holder s to say nothing and actually do it. That was good. I mean. Galaxy brain level adjustments to say, oh, we're not gonna do anything. We're not gonna cause his whole history in the past have been like a stick with his plan. No matter what. But now he realizes nice got Yonathan his team and the one a championship can messing around. What a jumped out to me in this. He only played brook Lopez twenty four minutes in those twenty four minutes Lopez's, minus twelve and he'll walk you one by twenty one points. Just shows you like this lower big man a series like this is just really hard to stay on the keep on the floor. We'll talk about that. So they made the change and it was affected. Why was it? So affective why I think they're just cutting off like driving lanes like if they're they're playing more mobile bigs. I mean, there was a couple of times Jaanus jumped out on Kyrie. It's like, oh, it's a whole different ballgame when you're like as opposed to like driving at brook Lopez with space, and then then instead, you got Janas to three point line like the floor is so different. Like, your defense is more versatile, you can rotate quicker and mean just more ways to move around. So I think it was. Crazy. So in this series when Lopez on the floor kyri is plus twenty one point nine and four nine minutes when Lopez off kyri is minus twenty nine twenty three minutes. Obviously, it's a very small sample size by think that's a real thing. Right there. Right. And when we're looking at this game, and we're looking at the adjustments that the bucks made, I think Kyrie obviously having you know, one of the worst games of his career as a Celtic of really stands out because you know, the the bucks really kind of teed in on him and threw a lot of bodies at him. A lot of longer bigger players forcing him left. It was pretty much everything went according to plan for for the bucks. Speaking of kyri, first of all he had horrible overall game poor defense inaccurate passes. And then scoring the ball. I thought he'd been a lot of settling. There's there's one player that comes to mind in the third quarter. When Milwaukee was middle of run where they did switch a screen, and Kyrie Irving had Ersan Ilyasova on him one on one, and you would think that is. Complete vantage for Boston. Normally it should be. And yet what he did was he drove into maybe twelve fifteen feet from the rim and took a fadeaway step back jumper with Ilyasova and brook Lopez on him when he could have easily kicked out to Erin Baynes or Gordon Hayward, and that could have swung the ball around for an open three pointer. I thought Milwaukee switching scheme may put more pressure on Boston Boston also do themselves any favors of the amount of settling that they did will sling it back to Aaron Baynes viable, asking me. Sway swing? Their in. Bays. Went on healthy. But swing one more to to Gordon Hayward could or needed series more drive and kick opportunities as well. You're seeing the value Horford when horford's animal horford's out bosses Hoy different team. I want to hunt admits he can play in this series like thirty five forty forty two minutes plan in the series. Yeah. Horford obviously is critical to a Boston does even if he's not necessarily getting a touch the spacing. He provides is critical. One of the things you mentioned in your article Charkes was using Janos more often at the five didn't really do that a whole lot more in game two compare to game one and game on the bucks. Janas? Played eighteen minutes with Lopez seventeen minutes without him. And then in game two was sixteen minutes with Lopez sixteen minutes without him with the eyes of the five of that had mixed results. I thought the switching overall was a positive, but there were a couple of times in the first half where with those switches they could post a larger player on a smaller player. I think for the most part, though, if you're. Looking towards game three Boston just needs to do something different than they've done all season. Like a walkie all season, they dropped their picking role coverages, and they abandoned that for the most part in game two by mixing it up. They went away from what they know. And with Boston all season long. They have shown a complete willingness to settle for mid-range jumpers. Instead of forcing it inside trying to get to the to the line trying to get layups or kicking out more from threes instead of taking mid-range jumpers because as many threes is Boston takes they can do more. They can still take more threes with that Irving shot that I mentioned earlier being a prime example. I think Danny heading into game three that's one of the things Boston will have to do in order to help themselves against Milwaukee's different scheme. Yeah. And I I've been thinking about the early minutes of the game where a mere Tich was was playing at the three and he kinda got roasted to start off killed. He got killed. And by the end of the game. We're looking at you know. Tich and Ilyasova both plus twenty one twenty two in the game. How much longer can they sustain that against? You know, the Celtics is, you know. Lineup of of. Multifaceted wings. I'm not sure isn't that the weird part. I thought Boston came out of the gates ready to attack meritous. They went at him every single possession. Got him at the foul. Trouble mmediately in no way. That's almost turned out to be a blessing for Milwaukee that merited dig at the foul trouble. Because anytime he was back Boston. And it seemed to continue attacking him sorta like they forgot about their game plan heading in right? The two guys I'm watching the series. I mean one Middleton we talked about earlier and like the way Middleton plays is kind of the way Boston's wing should be playing like Middleton attacks three point line. He's just waiting fifth drop spe foot off them as pulling up to pull up threes. And that's just so valuable especially against the team. When you have honest inside like Boston's wings really should be doing more of that. And of pulling eighteen feet pulling up for three and would open up so much of their offense. And the guy I think for Boston. I'm wa is Gordon Hayward. Should he be starting like it might be time to start playing big minutes because he's the guy can really attack some lays lesser. Milwaukee defenders when Marcus Morris Hayward had a horrible game though. I think with Hayward he's he was up towards the end of the season. He had some ups against Indiana in game one was fine. But in game two he looked back to being his passive timid selfs on drives he had he had one play that. I remember where Chris Webber on the call was like Gordon Hayward and pick an all always special and then earth on Ilyasova took charge or where it was like so clear. That's what was about the happen Ilyasova lead the NBA and charges taken the season. He has proven to be a solid positional defender within the bucks scheme, but Hayward did not seem prepared for that. I thought Hayward had a passive game. And it looked more like he did far too often the season, but to your point sharks. I think with Boston shot selection. Hayward in Tatum specifically or the two guys who do a lot of settling. When theoretically they are players that should be able to get to the bucket more their players that can pull up from three and said amid range and both those guys have been very inefficient. In those isolation's this year, which they're going to probably have a lot of moving forward in the series. If a walkie continues doing switching and with Tatum like you or someone prior to the draft didn't love him. I'm someone who did love him. But what we've seen the series against Milwaukee are the flaws that you were extremely worried about and rightfully so so far in the playoffs. Tatum shooting one of six on layups from isolation's three of nine for mid range in only oh of three from three. And it's not as much the one for six laps. And I'm worried about it's the shot distribution the lack of threes lack of ability to get to the basket that is concerning for him in the series. Yeah. I mean, I think for sure those two wings Hayward and Tatum, and what are small Justin and the walkie made in game one. They had a lot of Pat cannot an unclaimed Hayward Hayward's five or six inside him and the series and game two. They played more Middleton on 'em hebert's over four against Middleton. And I think if you start Hayward it's easier to find easier ups for him. Whereas if he's a second unit guy. Milwaukee can put their best defender on them. If you're starting Hayward instead of Morris, there's really nowhere to hide it like miratec or any whoever the bad defender from the walkie is. I think that's the watch too is does Malcolm Brogdon combat because he could be a huge huge. Plus from a walkie in this. If he comes back and game three brogden as somebody who would also better enable Milwaukee to play. However, they wanna play in terms of their lineup. So they wanna put you on the five I think brogden makes quite a bit easier for you to do that. Yeah. With the size with the secondary playmaking ability. I one thing that I'm I'm worried about is. Okay. What does this bucks team? Look like in game three when and if Chris Middleton and Eric Bledsoe don't have incredible games. And when the bucks don't end up, you know, setting a franchise record for threes. Made in the postseason like how much can affect you know, the game when his outside shooters aren't quite there is it just me or can Jaanus do even more if he needs to right? I mean, like Middleton Bledsoe were great and game two. But I think Janas there's still more to him that he can give in the series that he hasn't had to give especially if they have to run more pick and roll where they ran a little bit more than than in game one. But if you're using Janos either as the ball handler, or is a screener the things that he can do a roll, man. Either scoring the ball with power or fairness or being able to play make off the short roll. I think if the bucks need. More from us. They can get more for beyond us. Why think that's or having a brogden be used because if brogden is coming off that screen you got to worry about the pull up shot. Whereas if it's coming off the screen, then whatever. And I mean, I talk about my article Jaswant play three two minutes a game in the series right now like Janas should be playing forty forty five ever different to blowouts, but that's how he can give more right there like this meetings. You plan on the floor all the time just too valuable to ever be on the bench the game one or two change. Either thoughts about the series moving forward or or is this going to continue to be a series of adjustments. Where now we see Brad Stevens counterpunch in game three. I think so I think you'll see so they moved off Lopez. And I think now we'll see can they attack miratec Ilyasova. Can they find those new weak spots from a walkie? I think Bassey judgment for Boston going forward game three for Boston. Milwaukee will be on Friday night. I'll be at that base in Boston for the next couple of weeks or months looking forward to that one moving on. We got the Sixers raptors game three on Thursday nights, Terrell. Lonzo loss game two after Philadelphia, man. A number of different adjustments pudding. Joel Embiid on PASCAL Siachen. Ben Simmons on Kawhi Leonard. Danny your after his loss game too. Are you losing hope for them the series? Oh, no. I think the adjustments. They made are I think that your judgments that Philly made in game two were very sound. I think obviously you needed to have Simmons on Kauai quiz. Arguably what one of the two three hottest players in the postseason right now, you need a guy who has the length who has the F Azeem and the size to kind of make life difficult for him. I thought the the most intriguing. Like adjustment that the Sixers made was putting him beat on Siaka. It kind of reminded me of what the the entire MBA was trying to do with Janas during the regular season towards the end of it by putting a bigger athletic big man on Janas to kind of close a little bit of the gaps in and and squeeze out a little bit of the air in terms of what they were able to do out in space. But no, I think I think Nick nurse has some adjustments up his sleeve, and I think Charkes would very happily talk about them. Yeah. I feel like he does a really good job of adjusting quickly. He tried to few things in the star of the second half. They went away from late, but I like putting Siaka on Jimmy Butler giving even more size on Jimmy Jimmy's kind of their primary creator right now with Simmons being shut down a bit. And then you cut it is hide greed until bias. I think with them beat with Embiid on Siachen. You gotta move Siachen off the ball have cutting NBA went chase him around the floor at all. And I think back is very exploitable. The thing that I'm looking into series like Toronto's benches disappeared really neither one of these teams benches. Well, and it feels like whoever get good good stuff from their sixth seventh eighth mankind of a huge advantage going forward. I mean, even in game two Greg Monroe is the star off the bench Sixers until he's playing well, and he played for the three other team in the Eastern Conference final news conference right now you played for Toronto played for Milwaukee. How that's right. It's unbelievable. And he got hurt in that game. I haven't seen any word on his availability for game through it. It's kinda matters right now. It does matter which is saying a lot about both the benches for both of these teams in this with Toronto that was one of their strengths. Thanks before. They are team. The now has a week bench surgery. Baca the mid range shot was so great for him all season long at his failed him. Norman Powell is fine Jodie Meeks. It's very odd. How he gets that minute long stint at the end of the the first and third quarters. I do wonder if moving forward in the series, you mentioned the role of PASCAL Siaka him Nick nurse has still gone with that Ceac plus bench players unit for short stints during the game. I wonder if moving forward more than he already has he further ramps up the minutes for Danny green and Markelle soul to get a little bit closer to the forty minutes that Ceac I'm Kawai, and Kyle Lowry all playing could be too early for that we know with souls age in in green as well all of the miles on him. But I do wonder if moving forward with these week benches that something that just he's is has to do. I mean, it was also just a a rock. Fight in in games who neither team could hit their threes. I think I trust the raptors to hit their threes. A little bit more than the Sixers. But yeah, like when you're you're shooting twenty seven percent, and you know, Brett Brown was talking before game to you about how you know, the the rafters have been the hottest three point shooting team in the league, those probably jinxed right there. I it's it's something to to look at. I think that's something where regression might might favor the raptors. But I I don't know if you play Marcus more, do you see a way in which she can be, you know, an aggressor because I think with Tobias on him. He was what he averaged. He took like one shot with Tobias on them. Yeah. He took six shots. Total was one for six. Yeah. It was only the one shot with Tobias. I think but there are a couple of other times they posted him up. As a means for playmaking as well. It was interesting. They were they did try to attack that match up a little bit. But then it resulted in any production for Toronto. You know, what I wonder so vanfleet is one for four and like forty five minutes in this series. We might see some Jeremy Lin. Yeah. I mean, there's room for him to hide him on defense Philly, and he might give them some secondary playmaking shooting and they'd just relive or. So Malcolm Miller, Danny? Ooh, malcolm. Our our talking quarter three language. Has speaking of these injuries that we don't really have like any kind of information on do have any thoughts on on OG and his comeback because I think it was said Eastern Conference finals, right? Okay. There's like an emergency appendectomy. So it's like two or three week. I don't know arms. OG report yesterday. Yep. Not close to return. That's not good mimic mirrors long long ways away is what Nick nurse said yesterday, speaking through the athletic dot com, and that obviously would have given Toronto another versatile offender who can hit spot up threes for you at an average rate which OG is is a good player right now what it make a significant impact from the series. But having a guy with his defensive versatility, would I guess a team like this with Tobias Harris would Jimmy Butler could even put him on jayjay Radic at times to both. These benches are depleted, but so top heavy series. I do wonder what Toronto one of my concerns for them. Whether it gets Philly are moving forward and these currents finals. All season long. This offense has been so inconsistent. Danny wh what is the reason for their their ups and downs that you seen? I mean, it it's a lot of. It's just when you when you rely on Koa Leonard, and you're relying on a player who you know, doesn't have the elite playmaking inks instincts. You're fronting off of him. And it's it's a lot of him. It's a lot of Ceac him. And it's a lot of kind of Kyle Lowry doing their own thing for for stretches. I would say Larry's our best passer. I think one thing they could do is really try to attack us him to attack him beat and Rettig. And I think you'll see to all these series. I was gonna get deep in the second round. The benches are going to shorten the star is gonna play more minutes, and when she more hunting mismatches like if you've got a week defender out there attack them every single time. That's what's come to an all these series game three for Sixers. Raptors will be on Thursday night. I think one thing that might be a little overlooked in the series as the crowd Philly. That'll be nuts. Like it was. Toronto both to great home court advantages would not surprise me if that's heading back to two when it gets back to Toronto Philadelphia did figure out some good things. It's going to be interesting to see what type of counter adjustments neck nurse makes let's move on to the Western Conference. The warriors won one fifteen to one oh nine to go up to go on the Houston Rockets as I said at the top of the show, John solace and halio Shaughnessy had instant reaction show that should be in your feed that went up either late last night or early this morning Charkes this game to me felt sort of like a repeat of game. One minus all the complaining about the referees with Houston coming in with a good game play. They are fully prepared for Golden State. It's what they've built for. They just don't have enough juice. Yeah. I think the one changed really was Austin rivers coming back. He missed game one. And that you will like. Rivers rivers hive almost until I. Like, you really see the value of having more guys who can create offense against Golden State because Golden State is playing so many more faster wings against harden. He has less space to operate. He needs. Help rivers was big. I think going back into game three our guide. Daniel house has to step up. Daniel house. I'm laughing about the fact that a serious involving dream on green. Kevin Durant, Steph curry Klay Thompson, James harden. Chris Paul, we're like Austin rivers and Daniel house every discuss it's so great. I know you're right. It's like, you're wrong. I mean, it's like what more is there to be said about the key players in the series. It's the guys on the fringes who make a big difference. So like, you're right. It's just funny. Just gonna kick out of it with so many so many of these stars kind of getting dinged up though. Like, I mean, Katie Feleknas tailbone Steph like had a finger come like out of its socket fell off. Yeah. It basically fell off that was. I got fell out of it socket. Yeah. Dream on his fingernail sharpens. You know, once I mean, I don't know how I don't purport to know how many games this is gonna last. But like by the end of this everyone is going to be banged up. Awesome. Rivers might be playing forty five minutes in game seven for all. We know it must rate. You gotta have awesome rivers. And by the way, we have a ringer rockets fan at the ringer, Sean. You who I remember what Houston I got. Awesome rivers. We were talking about it. I remember I was saying to him. I swear you're gonna like us rivers. He's gotta be an important player of the bench and like Austin, rivers sucks. Sean you I remember after game one on rivers in a like, we gotta get Austin rivers back Houston needs Austin rivers because to your point charge since the circle back here. Having more shot creators on the floor is pivotal for Houston in this series against Golden State, especially when in the starting unit. Chris Paul has struggled the series. And James harden, the mid the floater has failed him. In the playoffs after it was a very effective shot for him over the full regular season. It has failed him in the postseason against both Utah and Golden State two teams trying to force him into that exact shot. And I think we can talk about Clint cappella to that's someone else for Houston, given them pretty much nothing. That's really hurt them. Come to Pella has had his up and downs Danny against Houston. But a lot of downs right now. Yeah. I mean, at this point the reason why clink clink appel was so important to the rockets, obviously is because dantonio really wanted to keep a center on the floor at all times. And yet he's had to go to PJ Tucker awful lot more than you know, what the game plan probably said in these past two games. He's just been an absolute zero in like what what do you do with cappella now charts? I know your answer. It's going small, correct. Because I'll circle back. So the region. Five more is because house giving them nothing right now when they go chucker at the five they're playing like rivers, Gordon paused. It's not small Balts tiny bowl like if you playing Tucker at the five you've got to have some wings and size around him to cover up some weaknesses. And prominent for Houston is Capella was bagging so warriors last year to there's not really an answer for him in this series. He can't shoot you can't criticize shot. He's not really a playmaker. There's just only so much. You can do his team is too small in this Atlantic. So to me, it's finding more wings who can give you a chance to play at a medium series because I just don't see cappella really making an impact enough to make golden say go bigger much drinking went play smaller either. Cappella frustrates me so much so much because the two twenty fourteen drafts he was so raw the hoop summit the year prior. He just got totally beat up and entering the draft. He looked like a total project, and he's gotten so much better over the years so much stronger his hands of God. Better. He's gotten so much more intelligent on the defensive end of the floor in terms of reading the game. But one of the things that hasn't changed. It seems like mostly against Golden State is it might 2014 NBA draft got I had one negative in there. That says, quote, he plays small in that he avoids contact and gets pushed around inside should be fine. When he gets both out while he's not fine after getting bulked up. He still gets pushed around against Golden State for a guy who is often they the biggest strongest player on the floor. He does play like it. And it's really frustrating. How he doesn't both on the boards, and finishing is he bigger and stronger than Katie though, like Haiti rotates over katie's kind of bigger than him. Yeah. He he's at least wider not necessarily longer. I mean, he he certainly the biggest on the rockets court on the rockets side of the hour doesn't always box out either. If it's incredibly frustrating watching him against the warriors. I'm thinking there's hope for our Daniel house. You know, there were. Turning to Houston. He plays a little bit better on at home. I mean, he plays a lot better. Yeah. It doesn't play at all on the road. And I think with you know, them going to Tucker the five more that's where health kind of has to be in the game. Like he's played. I think more than three fourths of his minutes with Tucker. And so you're basically pairing those because it's combining, you know, girth length size and athleticism, you know, to to mitigate the damage of not having, you know, someone extremely big in the front court. You know, it was interesting. What they try the second half of that game. They actually play hard on K D a little bit and like hardened it. Okay. When we didn't. We didn't get switched off the screen. The numbers say Katie is fourth publicans harden. And I kinda like that like hardens got size. He asked to play defense because they haven't not not not Ramanan guys who can and maybe him playing defense on somebody's bigger wings for Golden State is something else. Houston contri- going. Forward. Can we talk about Katie for a minute just about how extrordinary he's been last six games ever ever since? He said, do you know who I am? I'm Kevin Durant. He's gonna extraordinary and not just on the offensive end scored thirty eight points thirty three forty five fifty thirty five and then twenty nine last night. It's not just off nuts. But I thought last night's game. He was just absolutely stunning on the defensive end of the floor defending multiple positions, communicating energy rebound, rebounding heated, everything on the defensive end of the foreign goals saying what was part of an overall great effort by that team led by Katie and Draymond green. Yeah. They put them on air Gord the start of the first half. So Eric Gordon had a really big game game one. So they're like, oh, let's put Katie on them as it goes to seven foot guy who can defend all five positions. It's really incredible. We're at a point where Katie kind of insulates the team from itself like he he's just he can do everything on the court. And so he kind of becomes the white noise. Even though he's averaging thirty four points on fifty forty ninety splits. But him being able to do everything on the floor allows everyone else to be the specialists that they are like they are hyper specialists, but they are you know, they are specialists yet Katie being well is really kind of covered for staff not being himself. And that's the thing. I think going forward for Golden State to watch out for because obviously it Stephan Katy together to make them unstoppable and Sussman good in the playoffs. But he hasn't been kind of the offensive takeover guy. That'd be Justin seeing on April. Twenty six warriors final game against the clippers ass when curry turned his ankle and through two games against Houston. I thought he's been really competitive defensively. I thought he's been great on that under the floor. But his offense has not been there necessarily hit that one dunk last night which came on the nowhere. But he doesn't seem like he's trusting his ankle. And maybe that's partially. He's just taking a little bit easy for now as he gets himself fully back. But this is the third year in a row now that he's been hurting the postseason, and if you're imagining a world where we're Katie leaves. It's going to be interesting. To see what happens with Steph curry when he becomes the central focal point of a warriors offense without Katie more more similar to what James harden, and Chris Paul have to do with the Houston Rockets. I wonder how much he can handle that load whom four, but that's a conversation for another day. It's just something in the back of my mind watching these postseasons were Steph just continues to get hurt. Yeah. The other guy we gotta talk about his Klay Thompson. So the reason Chris Paul is not wellness series. Klay Thompson, it's totally shut him down and like claim in a such a monster because he got her to. But like, it doesn't seem to matter with Klay Thompson activity just a frigging machine. He's hurries injured. He's in a play forty minutes shoot three's deep your best player. He's just real. He's truly an incredible player. I think he is one of the guys is love watching a plane. He's awesome. Yeah. That's the conversation. Will if this series continues to go poorly for Houston. We'll be out. How is other choke job for Chris Paul? But I think Klay Thompson disorders a lot of credit for that and making life difficult for Chris Paul with his size, as you said charge just to be able to your your at something about paulie there earlier this season or last season about Paul's lack of size being one of his limiting factors in the postseason. I mean is limiting factor. I mean, he's he's a DJ Augustine. Chris paul. We we had a great article the went up and the ringer yesterday. Yeah. Shorts over on Jordan, Jordan, con on Chris Paul, and and Paul's will to win you know, the pros and cons of that. And you know, we see both sides. I think last night. I I hated that play when Draymond green had a Dunkin Paul pissed off. And almost try pushing dream on's legs as he hang from the rim little moments like that that doesn't help the perception of Houston never mind, the the leak the leaking of their internal report about the officiating. Last year's pussies enough are the referees though last last night, they fishing was great. I I don't wanna talk about officials. Do you? Do you have any thoughts on the referees? I I don't I think we've established on the corner. Three in in past episodes that we are firmly ambivalent. Is there anything else that comes to mind that Houston canoe the series? We're talking about what they can do on the fringes with Daniel house with Austin rivers being a playmaker. It seems to me that one of the things dantonio is trying to figure out is who's that eighth guy. It's very rare that he plays eleven guys. Like he did last night. Shumpert played five minutes. Or some of four threes and five minutes. It was incredible. He Farid played five minutes. House played five minutes. It seems like dantonio searching for that eighth guy. And he just doesn't seem to have him. And this sort of goes back to one of the things we talked about during the regular season with the unwillingness to go into lecturer tax sharks. In order to get that guy who could help swing who swing a series who could be that four or five or six point difference in a game. And the Houston doesn't seem to have that guy that Antoni can trust. Yeah. I mean, they're playing two guys. They bought out on minimum contracts and rivers and freed a guy that's not the G league in house like they're just working with a lot of scraps. It's hard when you're paying your best three players like a trillion dollars, and you're saying luxury tax just don't make room of us. Your roster not to go full big picture with them. But I think the series will still go deep, but it could go self quite quickly pending on what happens moving forward, but with their changes, this Oxy they've no cap flexibility. Chris Paul will be paid forty four million dollars in the final year was contract when he was steadily decline. Ding will the arrest of the NBA closing the gap with their shot distribution shooting more threes getting more lay ups with Houston, this this this could go bad quite quickly. I I don't think it will. Because you have James harden. But there's a road where it does. I just wonder if they move off Capella or or policy some point next year to is like you got harden. And you'd only on a piece of the moves either one of those guys, I think appellate could get something. Interesting in a trade. I want I want. I don't know the one thing with cappella, though, is the market was not strong for him in free agency. Which is why he got the deal that he did. I wonder if there wouldn't be a significant amount of interest in him with Chris Paul is. Well, I can't I see a lot of teams lining up around the corner for his services either. Maybe it seemed like the Lakers if they have nobody else they can turn to it's hard to find many traces there, Danny I I was just fiddling around with the trade machine. And I am extremely bad at this. But the first the first thought that came to mind was okay. Who's a bad contract for a guy who's pretty young who might be able to turn into like a weird, Dan Tony like four, and I was like Andrew Wiggins. Oh, wow. My goodness. That's interesting. Look, you do like Chris Paul and like Manet or something for Andrew Wiggins. And like a gourmet Jiang. Would you do that of Minnesota? I would. I mean, I know I wouldn't. But I I would love to see Andrew Wiggins have to adapt to Mike the Antonis offense, the king of the new king of the mid or or maybe the gesture of the mid range. Yeah. Don't give them the. The mid range gesture and injure Wiggins I would love to see him try to adapt to Mike the Antoni top. Who knows maybe it would help him. I do not see it making a significant difference for. But that that's that's a topic for another day of the series goes poorly for Houston. Are you feeling any less confident in Houston, and we may have heading into the series for the chances of bowing back in at least stealing one of these. Or do they need to win both going back home to Houston? I think they got gotta win both for sure. And I mean to me I feel like it's just it's just house. It's this weird talk about this guy this much, but he's the key for them if he plays well at home, they have a chance they doesn't. I don't see much of a series. I think Houston had a split. I picked goal and say heading into the playoffs. And then I switched to Houston after the first round which was probably silly in hindsight. Yeah. I I think they had a split. I think they had a split. It's it it. Looks more like a six game series to move forward. Moving onto the nuggets and blazers charts. He wrote about the mighty Nicola Yokich today on the ringer dot com. Yokich in game two and as part of this entire playoffs is just been out. Triumphantly men transcendent he had thirty seven points in game two against a game. One against Portland game tool. Beat tonight charge ski Phyllis and a little bit on what your article was about regarding Yokich. Why I think the main thing with Yokich so game one against the Spurs. He kind of came out and played the usual Yokich game. He made the extra pass he had fourteen rebounds, fourteen assists, but only took nine shots and Denver loss. And that's when I was like, wait a minute yoga. She's such a good passer. People forget he can score. A will basically what has been doing the last week and a half like yoga's seven foot two fifty. He can post up anyone he can shoot over. Anyway. So great handles passing when he wants to look for his shot. They're not many guys who can guard him and certainly not in the first one. It was always in Pertile and round to it's been Kanner and Leonard none of those guys that chance of guarding. Okay. It's need. He seems to realize it. He's averaging twenty seven points a game over the last seven games when fifty percent shooting, and he just went absolutely dominant. Offense a player. He's doing things we have never seen in the playoffs before. So here's a bunch of numbers. You can look at the one that like blew my mind. So right now in these playoffs Yokich is averaging more than four threes. A game more than eight assists a game and fewer than two turnovers a game nobody in Ambi history has ever gone before at any size any position. So you've got a center who's just shooting threes controlling the whole game on offense never turning it over and scoring almost thirty points game. Officially that's a special special player. It's been so much fun to watch. Yeah. And charge one of the like strong strong points in your piece was just that. Look, we're not comparing him to other centres, we're comparing comparing his impact on the game to James harden. And Steph curry like at this point that's where he is aligned because there aren't any big men in the game who has his skin. All set and has been able to actually leverage that over the league. Like he has. Well, he's a seven foot two hundred seventy five pound playmaker. Essentially, I mean, we're talking about he is one of the faces of positional as basketball. He look if you just stand up he looks like he's going to be a traditional plotting center. But he is not that one bit. He is somebody as you said we're comparing him until the James Harden's of the world the Steph Currys of the world with his overall impact. And and charge. You mentioned some of the playoff numbers you had a Staten and your article about how he's posting numbers that few have ever done before. I looked at it. Look this up this morning in terms of a purpose action basis, only LeBron James and Nikola Yokich have ever averaged over thirty points per one possessions with over ten assists and ten rebounds per one her possessions while while playing past the first round there's plays who've done that in a single around like Grant Hill, and and Russell Westbrook. But never has a player done this into the second round. And. Here's a lot of cushion to for those numbers to drop a little bit moving forward to his his his overall impact. I think all season long. He was a top ten player. He was a top five MVP candidate. And it's really no surprise that. A lot of these things have translated to the postseason for him. It's just encouraging that they have. But not that they have. But that they've gotten better too Charkes. And the thing about it is like the way he's playing it just makes life easier for so when that's unique player. So a kill them in game. One was that Murray Yokich pick and roll that murdered Portland. And the thing is like you can't switch that pick and roll. Because if you put a smaller guy in Yokich forget it it's over two points or three points. So all the sudden Murray's coming off that screen either. They're dropping back. He's eating space. They're doubling means dumping off to Yokich. Like, there's not an easy answer for that pick and roll. It's like the reverse of the heart and cappella pick and roll. So normally, it's like, okay. We can't switch a screen because we want to slow guy on harden but against Portland Denver. It's the opposite. We can't switch a scream because you can't put a small and Yokich and it just. Like, there's not many interest report on the series on defense. I like this is going to be a shootout with that pick and roll all season long with Murray or sometimes Gary Harris as the screener for Yokich, but usually Murray that two main combinations. The one of the most potent across the league. And I as you said sharks, you can't switch it. Because even if you do and yoga to the smaller guy on him. You probably have to double which is opening up at easy kickout opportunity for Yokich from the post or or the face up opportunity from the elbow area. Yokich is his ability to beat you every single way on the offense of and the floor is unlike so many players because you could use him everywhere. Use him as high pick and roll ball handler at seven feet tall use him as a low post presence. Use them running off screens even they use him off screens on gerbil handoffs. He's used all over the floor. And I think Michael Malone deserves a lot of credit for empowering him within his role and pushing the limits of how some other coaches might restrict the seven footer I think Yokich has constantly grown as a player. And we've seen a steady progress on him in the postseason and really in connection with Jamal Maury his teammate who also started off poorly again defending Derek Whyte who locked him up early in that nuggets Spurs series Jamal Mari has continually gotten better, I think with his shot creation and his playmaking. He's a guy who entering the NBA was somebody who was a scorer or shooter. But over time, Danny I think he's become somebody who can make players around him better as well. Like Yokich does. I I'm I'm not like a huge Hari fed me neither. But he's gotten better though. I think yeah. I mean, they're hiding them on D which helps that was a big adjustment that San Antonio series. They started putting Murray on like Bren Forbes, and I've kept that over into against Portland. They're hiding Murray on like, I think it's like heartless, and they're putting Creggan Harris on the two guards which and we should talk about to for. So we're gonna praise yoke. She got freaking murdered on defense to it wasn't they stopped pulling that was a frequent shootout. Deeming lillard. Yeah. You're right. Deeming the thirty nine points twelve twenty one before in Kanter as well. He was. Yeah. He was great. Kanter was great. And that's why when it comes to adjustments that Portland can make I sort of wonder if kanter's the guy that you just have to stick within the series because that Collins and Meyers Leonard cannot effect Yokich on the effect Yokich when he's on defense. Like Kanter Ken with his ability to roll to the Rams. I know we've talked about Collins a lot on this pod. But in this series is that something you tend to agree with charge or are you going to Leonard or call ins, see, I think either one of those guys can't guard Kanner? So at least those two guys shooting to me the guy for Portland has Rodney hood like I'm looking at this series for Portland, I'm saying they got probably scoring twenty points when twenty five points he had a big game one. I think like this is going to be a shootout immediate Harkness. They're water pistols like they can't score. And like if you're going to have to mom Murray out there, you gotta attack him on defense. And I think if I was Portland I'd probably start hood. I might just play. Dame, CJ Seth Korean hood together and say let's hold on. Yes. Because you I think one way to guard Denver is to double Yokich make those bad guys. Make Craig shoot jumpers sore. Doubling the pay anyways. Whatever lets you can feel more threes. My guys are your guys. Right. Because like when you look at the nuggets roster up and down up and down the roster. There are a bunch of guys who aren't necessarily consistent three-point shooters. I think their most consistent three point shooters, probably bleak Beasley but Gary hairs, Tori. Craig all the guys along the why marshalling? Yeah, we'll bar. They're just not very consistent, and they they showed signs of like being a bad three point shooting team towards the end of the regular season. So, you know, I think that sound and I think the best way to combat Yokich is just try to run him off the floor gun tired. Yeah. Keep them keeping keep attacking the much. She can in terms of Denver's inconsistent shooting one of their best shooters, but also one of their inconsistency shooters Jamal Murray. I do wonder if in game two tonight one of the adjustments. Roland could make is putting amino at pulling him from Paul Millsap and putting him onto Jamal Murray. Maybe some more length bothers Murray. Maybe you're better able to switch that pick and roll. If a meaner is starting on our Murray, maybe maybe a meeting with somebody you can trust on Yokich because of his size and length is that sunken that that you think is worth trying Charkes. I know you mentioned the go Rodney hood, but with me it was gonna play. So like base of the amount of opportunity that's going on the floor. Is that something that you think they should try? It's worth trying. And I think as we were talking about the big thing as like make these guys should like, Tori crag if this man can make like six threes tip your hat to them. I'm not sure that he can. Yeah. And I think putting the guy with with size and length on mammaries is something that's been an option and a good option for a lot of teams ever since college. You know, one of the things that I remember talking about the draft two thousand sixteen with charts. One of the key moments. We keyed in on. All the time. Over Jamal Murray who made you know, Murray's life a living. Hell so yeah. I that's always going to be an option for a guy who doesn't quite have. You know, a great for set doesn't really have the blow by ability if you can kind of shroud him, then I think that's that's a great option. We'll talk a little bit of NBA draft to close out this podcast with Nikola Yokich. He's one of the rare constructs that we haven't seen much in league history of seen a number of different centers. It we have the rim runner and Capello. We have the the offensive center and NS cantor who is who has limitations on defense. We have the playmaking center guy, like Mark soul. Louis have the two way center and Al Horford and the Pentagon what should the game demands. You have superstar was just not healthy. And Joel b but depending on what the game demands the traditional center is sort of, you know, pass it's fading away quickly the role of the center isn't quite as important as league and less. You're somebody like Yokich or unless you're somebody that reaches a star level. But there are a number of big men in this year's draft class. Obviously the Zion Williamson up top who we've talked about a lot in this podcast one of the centers that I really like in this draft class as gogo. But that here we go go go talk for from from Georgia. Six foot eleven with a seven foot to wingspan. And for what it's worth he is not nickel Yokich. He is not going to be a player like that. But I do think there's a lane for him long term as a player in this league who can be like nourish type or in the draft guide we have shades of comparison as shop locking MS cantor for him. I think with Patsy. Here's a very skilled offensive player who can pass the ball who can space before who's a good screener. Who's a smart player? And he in one thing that he does. It reminds me of watching Yokich when he was a prospect as well was he competes on defense. I think over he somebody that can be a player that it's going to give you a lot on the offensive end of the floor and somebody who's going to be able to at least hang around on the defensive end and charge. I know this past week. You've watched a lot of film on him as well do view the dot c with the current state of the league as a top ten pick. Like I do. I haven't ranked ninth or see somebody that you're looking more towards in the middle first-round late. I drown. I think he's really good. I saw you had was a top big in the draft on your whenever I do. My thing by them up. There too. So like watching go to me like he's like a weird blend of which and Norwich like, he's a very smooth offensive player has shot looks pretty good. He knows how to get to go on the floor and he has surprising ups like he blocked shots. He moves burying think based off it's like physical profile. I like him a lot as a player. I just I really wonder. I think he's going to be a really good player. I think maybe like ten years ago, you might have been top five pick. I just wonder like it's easy. Ultimately a platoon center in the play offs. And how valuable is that? I don't know. I don't see him and this kind of series. We're talking about today as more than a twenty five minute night player. How how you wanna draft the player like that? And the lottery, I don't know. That's that's that was exactly my concern. Like is he good enough at you know, being that kind of drop back defender that you're comfortable with him playing the game for thirty plus minutes. But but circling back I mean, the reason why why at least one of the reasons why he probably reminded you of of Yokich little bit is because he came from. The same school where he came from the same team mega Bassett, relax. You know, the the colorful pajama uniforms that go back like probably a decade. Now, a true like farmhouse for you know, international NBA talent of. Yeah. I'm kind of more interested in him defensively. And and seeing how he develops in the NBA because he's really really slow in space, but he moves really really well in tight quarters. And so like when you combine that with his shop shop blocking ability, there's definitely a lane for him to be a really good kind of like, you know, a classic drawback defender in the vein of brook Lopez. But you know, how important is that going forward? This year's draft class. I think it's partially. Just the nature of the class was a lot of guards the can't shoot a lot of wings that can't offend. I just think if you're taking that quote unquote, best player available. I think he presents. Good value for you in the middle. Of that lottery range. I have them ninth. Now would not surprise me. If he moved up at some point. Yeah. I think he he could start thirty five minutes tonight in the regular season for a good team. He's a really good player to me. He's probably the safest of all the centers in the straffed, right? Yeah. I'm actually surprised that he didn't declare last year help themselves out by non I suppose. Yeah, he's still really young. So one guy who does get compared to Yokich and will inevitably a heading into the draft is John Porter. I'm so sad about this. Porter. I know you're a huge fan of Puerto. He is somebody who unbelievable passer has just tremendous vision. He's not quite an all-time level passer. Like yoga CHU is Yokich Yokich is the most talented passer I've ever seen and he has a chance to be the greatest passer at the big man position ever. Paul Puerto is not that. But he's a great passer per his position who could also space to four from three is a solid positional defender defender as well porter, but he did tear both. He tore his ACL twice in the last two years with porter. He somebody that I think you had ranked lottery if I remember correctly charts last year, did you as well Danny for fringe fringe lotto, I branch with his injuries in the nature of this class with a lot of medal of certainty. Are you still viewing him as a first round draft prospect without us knowing the full extent of his medical or does that just not come down a long way on your board much like Harry Giles had experience with his amount of injuries in high school in college? I mean does any kind of have to have you ever remembered a guy tearing his ACL twice in two years? Like that doesn't happen. Yeah. And it was partially because he he basically rushed back onto the court to get you know, his reps in for for shooting and all that. And and it just his his knee wasn't trucks. Really sound at the time. It's really unfortunate. He tore his right ACL and a scrimmage in October last year, and then retort this March as Dante said he admitted that he that he rushed back to the courses. Unfortunately, I think Puerto has a chance to be a really good NBA player. Not sure he he's quite athletic enough to be and that's a great. Now, he's Torres need twice athletic to begin with. Yeah. I mean, I I am glad kind of here for this next wave of NBA stars being like doughy athletic big man, who are just Cussing cream Lee skilled guards. Like that would be really really funny to me. But yeah, it's it's it's a lot of uncertainty. I don't think I would take a risk with him in like the first twenty picks. But like, look if if a team really felt falls in love with his skill set. I can totally see him in the late late first round just wrap this up with a couple of other big men prospects, not everybody's doughy not not issues class. Not everybody's like, but that's your porter. There are a number of more traditional rim ruining centers, namely Jackson. Hayes from Texas. Who's the big name? I believe we've talked about him on this podcast before he fits more the Capello role sharks. Except you've seen him at Texas this year. He's extremely raw on both ends of the floor. Yeah. He's like not very strong. He doesn't have much game. I think he'll be a good. NBA player, but I'm little surprised at how much hype he's getting because I feel like Daniel gaffer as maybe not as good. But I don't think he's that much worse. So he can circulate first-round pick. So I feel like those kind of players are available on if I pick a rambling Sarah top ten more. And even besides the gaffer one guy that we don't have currently in the draft guide will what will be there in the update is Nimia keta from Utah state to me. I I like him more than gaffer. I think he's a better more reliable defensive player. A better rebounder, he's not quite as bouncy as gaffer who fits that that clinched Capello mold as you just said keta is more like a traditional type of center, but I think his defensive prowess bodes well for him in the NBA coming out as a freshman. He was he reminds me a little bit of a best case scenario, maybe a Stephen Adams or year GDP Pertile type I see that type of lane for Kedah. And in the late first round. I think that presents better value for you rather than some of the lottery hype the Jackson Hayes is getting and then the other guy is Bulbul. Which who knows right food. No, that's another guy. So he what played nine games and broke his foot shot fifty percent from three. I was about to say what what did he shoot from three shot fifty percent from three of he he is truly a unique prospects in his high center of gravity in his three point shooting ability in just the sheer size the sheer length that he has will create problems for other teams. But it's like does will his body. Hold up is is the biggest question and one last thing on on the drafts. Obviously a lot of time to talk about Zaire. But I think watching Draymond green in this postseason d'alene is there for I on long term. He's not there yet. But the lane is there for him to be an impactful defender, not at the all time level like Draymond. But a notch or two below that who can affect the game. Even if he's not scoring the ball, and that's partially. What makes them so enticing as a as a prospect of the future potential face league at six seven to eighty five pounds of his mobility, laterally and his. Verse his verticality to block shots and alter shots Zion Lampson has the physical ingredients. But he also brings the effort as well. The final the final hole for him to fill the intelligence on the defensive end of the floor and at eighteen years old this past season. It's no surprise. He made a lot of mistakes in rotations, but long-term charts. I think the lane is there for John for his calling card. Not just the be his offense and his dunking is everybody talks about in his playmaking, but for to be his defense. Well and the thing noticing watching these play offs Zion. It's like if you can pair them with a pick and roll guard, and he said the Draymond Steph thing like because if you've got like trae young Zion. You can't switch that screen and zion's gonna go crazy. I to me that is what do didn't have last year imagine Zion setting screen the guard coming around and could pull up thirty feet. All of a sudden zion's think free runs to the basket. I think that's gonna be a lane for him right away where the them the right team and the right system. He's going to be great. I'm almost immediately. I think I can't wait. Admit may fourteenth draft lottery. We'll be talking more about the draft McCoy weeks and months as well as the NBA playoffs. But it's all we have time for today. Guys. Thanks sharks. Thank standing. Absolutely. Thank you for listening to to be a show, please give us a five star rating, and I tunes and share the podcast your friends, be sure to check out the ringer dot com. As well. We have loads and loads of NBA content. 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Clippers Gonna Clip, Nuggets Kill Them With Joy, and Bam Goes the Dynamite with Ben Golliver | Group Chat

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Clippers Gonna Clip, Nuggets Kill Them With Joy, and Bam Goes the Dynamite with Ben Golliver | Group Chat

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Am Justin Barrier and joining me today Jonathan Sharks what's up, Guys Rob Mahoney Elo and the bubble boy himself straight from Orlando from his hotel room, which she hasn't left in weeks and weeks and weeks from the Washington Post Bengal over. It's great to be here. I see how you adjust and it's like a sunrise edition of the clippers choked. We just have to get the takes office as possible as. Absolutely. The fans get what they want, what they want is talking about a disaster it o'clock in the morning. We're going to get to the game that was played last night between the Celtics in the which I thought was going to be an all timer, but it was quickly trump's. High The Los, Angeles Clippers, they lost one afford eighty nine in game seven I'm I'm still pretty stunned about this. Then you're there last night what was like? Can you just give us like the scene what it was like after that buzzer finally sounded well. So this is going to be a very dangerous take as I'm on here with three of the brightest basketball minds of all time, and I'm about to go full Jim Boylan on you. But I really think that this game in this series just kind of came down to like who wanted more and I think. Really, you can't separate encore and off court when it comes to the bubble because if you win that game, you're signing up for another roughly two weeks of life in the bubble and you heard from Lou Williams after the game where he's just kind of frustrated and he's counting the number of days it's been since he's seen his daughters right and. You've got you know Paul George. Trying to wrap his mind around the end of the season. He even know if it was a championship or bus season and you just see this team that's just like really scatter brained off the court looking overwhelmed by the moment. Obviously, you had some pretty serious situations for Lou Williams in Mantras Herald during their time in. A bubble where they had to leave and come back and I think that was absolutely a contributing factor to the clippers lack of chemistry. But all of that awkward stuff it transferred directly on the court everybody from both teams set it. You know it was there was no question who had the better on court chemistry it was no question who was. Fighting harder late in these games to pull out the victories who was executing better during the pressure moments and I actually pin it frankly You know the clipper side of things I put it on their superstar level players. I didn't think there was gonna be a situation we were. We're GONNA come out of these playoffs and say you know what? Leonard you let everybody down I thought it was going to be more well, Paul George didn't step up or maybe they could figure out the pecking order stuff and there was only one ball to go around for so many guys. But I think ultimately when they look back on their experience and I think about their two months here, quite Leonard never seemed to really enjoy himself Lebron did a lot of complaining earlier, but he's started to settle in. Get into a groove his wife's here. He feels comfortable with the clippers they just kinda felt on edge I think it expressed itself with all the trash talk they did to the Portland Trailblazers and to Luca and to Nikolay Yokich, and by the end of it, I would be surprised at all. If they're kinda relieved, they're going home at this point we'll. That's interesting though because you're there and we're projecting onto a lot of these guys that maybe. The. Bubble was having effect. Maybe some of this family stuff at home for some of these clippers geyser are affecting how they're playing. Can you see a noticeable difference between how like some of the clippers are operating in like maybe another team that's thriving like the heat I've actually thought about making the team that actually liked the bubble because it's a real thing like don't think this is just a a talking point right? Every morning I have to. Wake up and I've gotTA, take my temperature. I've got to take my pulse ox reading I've got to go get tested. I've got to make sure I'm wearing a mask I've got to go eat pretty lonely breakfast I've gotTa make sure I'm wearing my credential I've got to make sure I'm wearing this auxiliary alarm bells start beeping if I get too close to people and none of these things individually sound that annoying but when you do it every single. Day and when you're the players and you've got to hop on the bus every single day, you've got to go back to your hotel and shower in your hotel room rather than at the arena. So you're all sticky for forty five minutes and you've got to answer questions on these weird zoom calls all of it is a pretty annoying experience and so if I was going to rank the teams I, don't think anyone hated the bubble more than. The seventy sixers I'm pretty sure that had fifteen private private jets just lined up ready to take them out of here right But when you look at the Eastern Conference, there's no question to me the two teams that settled in and we're happy in the bubble more than any other teams were Miami and Boston I think that they've just taken a slow and steady day by day disciplined approach it kind of fits again with their on-court character and You know you look at some of these favorites that have gone home early whether it's Milwaukee or the clippers neither one of those teams seemed particularly comfortable and there were red flags showing actually early in their bubble play you go back to the seating games Milwaukee really couldn't finish games. They weren't. I'm reaching top speed for their offense. They weren't You know clicking chemistry wise around Janas is particularly well and same deal with the clippers shot. Out guys like Reggie Jackson and joking Noah if those guys aren't red flags playing big minutes for your team early on I don't know what is so I think for for both those teams the the lack of comfort in the bubble combined with just some of these variables off court that we're talking about I think it contributed to their early exits and I gotTa say if that's going full Boylan. Jimbo Slava job like that was actually pretty reasonable can't. Well. Just I was just worried what I said you know who wants it more right it does seem kind of like I'm about to put a punch clock on this podcast or something like that. You know but. Ultimately, will is a major deciding factor. No I mean I think that's kind of the question of the clippers. This entire season it's maybe you could write this off to how things have gone down in the bubble like prepared they were for this unique situation but we've seen this all season long. They didn't really play up to their talent level didn't really seem like they were always on the same page and so in a lot of ways maybe. This is like a an outlier situation but maybe this is ultimately what was going to happen regardless juicy last night I thought it was weird that you know to Ben's point nobody on the clippers was blameless in this like it really did start with Colli with you know you could go even with doc you could go pretty much all up and down the roster and everyone's screwed up in some pretty significant. Way and. Then that just all kinds of compounding problems do bad offensive process which led to you know an unstable instable defense, which then led to just a complete disaster and you know I was looking at the numbers and for context over these last three games, the nuggets scored about one hundred, fifteen points for one hundred possessions. The Mavericks this season scored about that and had the highest offensive rating of all time. So. That's the level we're talking about of a defense that has that has Paul. George that has pat Beverley. Yes. That also has Llewellyn mantras heroin these other lesser defenders but just that they they were scrambling and panicked. So often against Nickel Yokich Jamal? Murray two guys who are really good. But I didn't expect to have the clippers this far off balance. Okay. I think you can connect these two ideas like this. Coup, why not being a quote unquote leader you can see it in the court because it makes guys like Lou Williams and Doc rivers. So valuable right because like when the bubble thing happened when the strike it was Lou Williams tongue with the clippers you're GONNA do not Kawhi right for the Lakers that was Lebron. And conversely it was doc rivers is kind of how the data on the team. What that means is it now that makes Lou Williams and Doc rivers very valuable to Kawai and away those guys wouldn't be Lebron, and now co is kind of held hostage Susan's those two guys make on his team because they leadership for him and to me like watching the series. How can you play Mantras Herro? Yokich. Here's the thing if you're going to double the coal Yokich, the best passing of all time anyways at that point, why not go small and spread them on an offense if you're going to play a guy can't guard Yokich and can't score on him you're cooked. That's he was just mind boggling kept doing it over and over and over again in these games. So. So you put the blame more on dock than some of these superstars who didn't show up Qui- and Paul George Combine were ten for thirty eight. I don't know if you heard that yet. But what I'm saying is like, why not being a leader makes him vulnerable to Dock Making Poor coaching decisions? It's all connected germ I think you could frame this box score and PUT IT in show call fame I. Mean I really jumped out to me not only just the field goal percentages from Hawaii and from Paul George but the lack of free throw attempts right and DOC was trying to get at this actually kind of put some of the blame on his players and saying, Hey, this is a conditioning issue had to continually said these guys. Out, but the stat that jumped out to me one combined free throw for Paul, George and Kawhi Leonard and something like eighty to combine minutes at there on the court. Now, obviously, a lot of those minutes are together but that's completely unacceptable. They both wind up being like minus twenty minus twenty one in the minutes on the court and you're in that frantic mode where. Let's say you're Leonard and you've been listening to doc and you believe everything. But now you're in the fourth quarter and here the nuggets go again right and you're looking around and saying, do I really trust lemon pepper Lou or do I trust myself? The reigning finals. MVP to like take this game over right and I could not get to the basket I. Don't know if it's his leg I don't know if it's just his general fatigue accumulation. Mentality he did look shook at times during the bubble, and by the way he made a lot of bad late-game place. You go all the way back to the decision to pass the Paul George in the opening game against the Lakers, he doesn't Double Devon. Booker. When Devon Booker hits the game winner, he allows the switch on Luke dodges game winner. I? mean he was a mess in Games really throughout the bubble but. In this one particularly, he just had no field no command of the game. There was no takeover like we saw points of last year's playoffs, and so that's why Penn a lot of this on him I. Definitely don't think that doc is blameless and maybe the best way to frame this question is if you're Steve bomber. Who are you able to blame because remember this guy not only traded ninety five draft picks to get Paul George but he also bought Kawai Leonard a million backpacks to hand out to all the Makita school kids. Los Angeles he's been investing in these guys. Every possible way you can do it You know he's the one driving the ship. He's probably the most committed owner in the entire. Mba. Is Not good. This is not a tillman for Tita situation where he's going to meetings with Donald Trump and whining about his. Players salaries, and then just being too cheap to pay Mike the DANTONIO. This is a guy who has like every resource at his disposal to kind of upgrade this thing, and this is the biggest disappointment in franchise history. This is worse than two thousand fifteen. This is worse than any of the other early flameouts. So how does Balmer respond? Does the same guy who's jumping around and sweating through his t shirts on the Microsoft stage just going to be like, let's run it back with DOC and Kawhi and Paul George and. Our and and Lou Williams, and just see see if this thing works again next year I be surprised if he did I bet you he's furious right now let's talk about the dock thing for a second. Specifically the idea that the clippers weren't conditioned because of the situation in the bubble weren't didn't have the continuity that they wanted, which is what he said post game which. These are both valid things and about as doc as it gets, you know the coach of the team that you know his celtics without Kendrick Perkins still never lost a playoff series and you know much like that these clippers when properly condition of still never lost a playoff series did you know that he's not a real doctor? Another DOC ISM this is this is news to me, but the reality is they were up three one in this series and got wrecked. You know this turned out to be a worst matchup for them than they expected, but they played way too casually they left points on the floor all over the place because they weren't as direct as they needed to be because his chart. Saluted to they didn't have the rotations in terms of the bigs that they needed to have. They really let themselves be vulnerable to this and I think that there's GonNa be some owning of that this off season if you're going to move forward. So here's my thought I think we can all agree maybe the clippers weren't quite as good as we all thought they would be. But that means it's even more important that they have a really quick. Coach who makes Quick Lineup Adjustments in playoff series I mean, what's the common thread? Two, hundred, fifteen down three one What's a comment like Dhaka's the first coach lose three series up three. One I mean that's incredible. I was actually texting someone at the ringer who has a long history with doc in Boston, and he gave me a very long list of things. Doc didn't do right over the years to me. You just kind of have to move on from him because the margins are so thin. You've just gotTa have a coach. You can make adjustments quicker because if you don't you're done, you're gonNA lose I think my question is. Is it just doc or can we have confidence in this big to that they've assembled or quiet symbol for them going forward I mean quiet times it felt like shot was flat as Ben alluded to maybe there was something do with like his conditioning or maybe because of the long break, whatever load management he needs to do to get himself ready got disrupted and you can never get himself right? I I don't know but Paul George I think we have enough of a track record on this guy to really start to question whether or not. He could bring in the playoffs. It's obviously a much more complicated discussion now because he talked about having depression anxiety earlier on in the bubble when I have like all this empathy in the world for that but you know these are like real world. Implications in the these are actual things that they're going to have to deal with it. I don't know if you can rely on George in the situation she just disappears. If you need a second star I, don't know if he's ever really shown himself to be that outside of what maybe last regular season at best. Well, here's the thing you Kinda have to rely on those guys. Right you can fire the coach you can't Fire Cohen Paul George. You can trade them for the record too. I mean I. Don't think we're quite at Defcon Fire Doc rivers like. Coaches, make mistakes all the time to play officers. If if the nuggets had lost their first round series, there were stages where Michael Malone getting all kinds a heat for things he was doing against the series against the jazz or in the series against the jazz. Yes, he adapted. Yes. The nuggets survived. Yes. They've they continue to survive but these guys make mistakes that part is okay. I think what gives you in a big picture since in terms of bring a team together in terms of communication tourism managing personality those things matter they weren't at their top level during this playoff run but they could be next year, which again, you're really targeting this window you're saying, can we win a title while we have these guys? I think docs to allows you to do that. By you're saying like DOC. hotties, intangible qualities do they look intangible in this team? This team look well coached Ashir manage roster wise personality wise conditioning wise. No but again, I think are other circumstances to account for there's a there's a lot going on in sample size of one. Riley. We're just looking at the results and again the series could have broken a couple different ways and We are way too deep into this podcast did not have talked about the Denver Nuggets and how good they were really in this series yet. Well, if Jamal Murray No. Really I think Jamal Mary wasn't incredible against really good defense at times. If yokich wasn't playing some of the best basketball, he's played although he's a guy who as already established himself as being a really good playoff performer. Day they punched the clippers and yes, it is a problem that they didn't respond. It's certainly a problem that they're communicating the things they are now post game, you know Paul George saying Oh we didn't expect to be championship robust the season when he had literally said they were championship or bus like three months ago. There's all kinds of these little red flags not saying doc his faultless but to me, he's still one of the better. Coaches in the league that doesn't doesn't mean he's not going to make mistakes can cost you a playoff series. All these guys can, but I I wouldn't fire him based off a performance like this I think it would be impulsive to fire him I just wonder how impulsive is Steve Bomber in this particular moment because everybody reacts disappointment differently we haven't really seen him with his hopes all the way up like the previous iterations of the clippers. Underneath him were sort of like either in transition or they were the scrappy underdogs that when you're trying to force their way into the playoffs or they were finally starting to build some momentum and remember this clipper season started with Steve Ballmer on a rally staged in south Los Angeles, holding up the jerseys with Paul George and Kawhi Leonard and talking titles that was like the whole thing all season long they came up with all these slogans of we over and you know spotlights over street lights and all these different things that kind of were meant. To say, Hey, we're not the Glitzy Lakers right were this substantial gritty team that's always going to be there when accounts at represents the city like this was their entire branding message that got completely flipped upside down and same thing with the load management thing right like all year long saving saving George Saving Saving, Paul George. You get to game seven all this time you've had to kind of get their bodies, right? Even Doc rivers talked about winning the weight during the shutdown right getting these guys in phenomenal shape so they're ready to go you. Get to game seven of fourth quarter against a team that has just played a seven game series that was absolutely exhausting and the two most tired guys on the court as far as I can tell work Hawaiian Paul George. Because all they wanted to shoot fifteen foot contested, pull up shots. So if your identity as we catered to Leonard, we did everything we possibly could to get Paul George we're going to load, manage them and worth gritty team. All of those things backfire on your face and your Steve Bomber, who are you like what is your? Identity is it time for a rebrand? Do you have to scrap the Zun and like go out and make some other different kind of product right? Like I, think it's kind of an interesting turning point for him how patient he can remain through this gigantic disappointment will say a lot about who he is as an owner and I guess I'm actually kind of on your side rob where patients might be a good idea right now and you know subtle moves might be the the better approach rather than blow salads put like this though. So Cleveland Two Thousand Sixteen. David Blatt. Has Just went the NBA finals. He's one of the most accomplished coaches European history. He asked the cavs, the number one seed in the conference, and the says, you know what? This guy's not good enough. He's gotta go. He Fires Blad everyone thinks he is crazy. Who Does he hire the assistant coach Toronto to come in and Toronto did an incredible job in twenty sixteen, two, thousand, seventeen, twenty, eighteen, the margins are just so small in these playoff series. If you don't have confidence in your coach, the right adjustments that you're probably going to lose and I think everyone would agree it was very impulsive and rash the fire David Blatt but it had to be done. Like one of the greatest press conference moments of all time. So I was like I thought they waited too long. Frankly I was ready for him to be fired right in the middle that Chicago series when he tried to call the timeout, but I hear your point. Who would you want to replace doc? John Do. You. Have a favorite in the CLUBHOUSE I wouldn't mind Toronto. Actually did in Cleveland I think Cleveland Toronto loose showed he can make adjustments very very quickly I remember twenty eighteen when the Brahmins the finals Kevin Levin Kyrie Irving they played a different closing lineup in each of their first three series so like Toronto, you went from. Like big small like series series series as constantly adjusting his lineups and I think like if you're GonNa, win a championship these days you kind of have to have that ability. You saw them Toronto to ride dwane. Casey everyone loves doing Casey I know him from Dallas Music. System. For Carlisle, he's a great guy. Great Culture Guy everyone loves him coach to the air trial just said. You know what we need to more aggressive coach and if you're one, I mean obviously didn't have Kawhi. Leonard I don't think if you don't have nick nurse they went last year I think nick nurse was that important to Toronto last season I think having a coach aggressive and on the play offs it's a risk but to me staying the same as a bigger risk well, I Think. This is probably where the advantages of having an owner like Steve Balmer probably come into play if this is going to be an arms race for Taya Lou which it seems like it's Kinda shaping up to be because it seems like every team could use a tie Lou I do wonder this is where Steve Bomber opens up his pocketbook and just pays tyler whatever he wants. It is funny though because as you're talking about Tillman for TITA and and the clippers in the rockets and just all that difference like I do wonder what would happen and how the NBA would be different if the clippers were never sold in bomber was in charge of the rockets like, can you imagine how much better the rockets would be if they just like had someone willing to spend on the margins nor to make this work I don't know that's aside Danja. I do like these are the these are the ways that the clippers can win without probably changing everything about them. They could win changing almost nothing about them like they could leave their roster more or less intact at the exact same coach next year and win under slightly different circumstances. I think would make me nervous about a coaching shift would be. You're basically guaranteed a two year window here. Your first year has gone. You blew it. Are you really going to completely hard reset which can have its benefits, but you have a new language to learn in terms of scheme you have a new new structure to learn in terms of system with a new potentially I don't know what what a guy like Lou or whoever they would bring in what Ron I'm assuming there would be some changes. Do you really want to completely reset? It had that learning curve again at the start of the season, even though you're bringing back more or less the same team that would make me nervous on such a short time I think the best news for the clippers in this is like kind of dark. But in terms of keeping his group together, I think mantras herald cost himself so much money in these playoffs that they can actually probably keep him and he I mean he's probably going to be still one of the higher. Targeted, free agent big men out there. But again, you're talking about bombers, resources and everything else I don't know if I was another team and I watched those playoffs and understand there is a lot of extenuating circumstances with Eros family off the court and all that. But he did not look like the same guy he did during the regular season that could actually wind up playing to the clippers benefit because if they lose him. You know or Morris. Those are some holes and I, think that their depth which I. kind of thought was vaunted all season among I was hyping it up all season long I mean the death definitely evaporated the series. Don't you thing? Yeah. I mean again this I wonder if we talked about this last week, I, do wonder if like bomber being willing to go into luxury tax at a time when other owners might not be willing to just because of the financial situation of the League because of all the money, each individual team is law said you wonder if there's an advantage and all of a sudden? Yeah. Even if Trez doesn't come at a discount you keep. Him You keep Morris maybe you bring back. Your Michael. Green is well, if he does decide to opt out and all of a sudden worst case, you're just paying four an asset to flip at the deadline in order to make other moves on the road because they do not have draft picks. So at the very least, they do need some sort of flexibility kind of like the thunder basically trading contracts over and over again in order to keep the team going without actually really adding anyone in free agency I do wonder if that's ultimately they're only path to really make this thing. Just marginally better which if we're being honest, that's probably all they need is just minor improvements make this work justin guys the other guys a question real quick on something you raised earlier about Paul George. You sound pretty skeptical like you're you're in the camp that's over there making playoff teams it sounds like with his gave seven performance. Now rob you just said, you think that there's not a lot has to change for them to still get over the hump. Do you still really believe that I've been trying my best to defend Paul George for the last few years and I think his point about how he's always on the underdog team is true and I Think both he and Hardin get a little bit of excessive criticism because they're always losing to better teams. So that winds up making them easy punching bags but do you really trust like if you were you know Doc Rivers Taya Lou as the coach next year and you're rolling out their Western Conference Finals with Paul George as your number two guy do you honestly believe deep in your soul? He's going to be able to get you over the top I mean I felt like he had the most pressure of any player coming into these playoffs and it did not end well at all I mean it ended pretty much as bad as it could end for him. Yet this run I think shook it in a different way for me. Personally, you know some of his previous shortcomings I could chalk up to this or that you still look at the series long numbers of the playoff, the playoff long numbers, and they would still be pretty strong overall or he would show up in certain big moments but not another big moments. I think all that stuff just kind of life as a non superstar in the NBA life as a second tier third to your kind of star in the League, which is fine which is kind of where he is. This run felt a little different in that way and I think you're I think you're right in that. The confidence has to be wavering slightly around Paul in his ability to deliver in these moments and again to not to take anything away from the nuggets here because I think Gary Harrison Jeremy Grants Defense in this series was pretty terrific. You know those two guys. They played their hearts out and that's the reason why Paul George has a game like this where you should. So poorly from the field where he barely gets to the free throw line like there's enough of a deterrent there to stop him that said, you want a guy who win to two bar like the honest language that when they hit the wall, they go through it Paul George is. Not that kind of Guy I think I look at it like in for a penny in for a pound. Now, right you've made your bed with Paul George Ninety make the most of it and I do wonder at some point maybe when you've bottomed out, things want to go up from here right? Like what is Paul did have to be afraid for anymore he's already spectacularly imploded a national. Right like they can't get any worse for them. I. Think if he if he learns like get off social media from this like maybe we'll go up of being a sturdy it'll be more mature like. What are you GonNa do really I mean that's what happened to the heat. It took just like a historic defeat for them to really regroup and really reset themselves and kind of like not feed into whatever everyone else is saying and just Kinda do their own thing I mean. I kind of put a lot of blame on the clippers in this situation. Because they kind of already knew that Georgia's here even though that this is kind of an extreme example of some issues. He's had an a pass. They mortgaged their entire future specifically to bring him along with Kawhi rather than just like put up front and just like just hold the line against like if I'm starting to wonder now and I'm curious what you guys think about this if they would have just been better off, not have if it meant not bringing collages saying no engines going. Forward with what they had like waiting for the next available superstar because as we've seen these guys come up is this team as it was constructed before the quite trade with Shay and Gallo knows other guys and you throw in like let's say a Bradley beal and then you just work from there like I still think that team has a path to the to the title maybe just one that is in immediate I. Think I think two things can be true right like on the one hand. Sam Prestige has leverage and took everything like he took. He took the whole house in that trade. That is true on the other hand. I agree that they had like a decent foundation and they're clearly an attractive market. They could have made a play for another star as we talked about with guys like mantras herald other contract situations those numbers just keep ticking like all those contracts are rolling over having to pay more guys to keep them. You're having to you know to just to keep your core in place proves costly not to mention the opportunity cost I think if Kawhi. Leonard One of the best basketball players in the world says, he wants to come to your team. You move pretty much anything you need to move to make that happen that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt in twenty twenty two when these draft picks start coming do but I still think this is a trade the clippers make a hundred times out of one hundred. Now, you cannot do the collide part of it because we saw last night how everyone loves to mock the clippers I mean. It's just like a national pastime and it's not even just Lakers Christmas anymore, which definitely was Lakers Christmas. Last night it's everyone getting in on it I mean Damian Lillard CJ mccollum everybody is having a great laugh at the clippers expense. So if you rewind last summer and they don't get Leonard now they're just same younger brother in La that nobody cares about they never get anybody. They're the losers all of that same mo Jo is around them. So I do think landing collide. Definitely, gave them a level of credibility to get future free agents and just kinda change perception of their franchise and a very important way where they maybe should have drawn the line and I know there was definitely conversations internally as the whole Paul George thing was going on I mean obviously, they needed to get slightly less fleeced by Sampras St Right? Obviously. But they also needed to think about pushing back to Hawaii and whoever else was advising him and be like Bro we actually think. Can really play and it turns out that like nine years of draft picks could really be helpful for you. There needed to be maybe some exploration of alternate scenarios rather than just completely you know selling the House for for Paul George because I think that had you just gotten Kawai kept Shea. And kept those other pieces at had more flexibility. You could swing some other type of trades. You're probably in a better spot than you are right now and you're certainly not stuck going into next year with this in for a opinion for a pound deal where you don't feel like you have a lot of options and you're just kind of rolling it back and closing your eyes and hoping it works. It does remind me a little bit of the of the Chris Paul in James Harden Pairing in Houston or even their current pairing with and westbrook where it's like, alright you you made your bed you're kind of stuck with these guys, but you don't truly. Believe that they can get over the Hump if you continue to play like they showed. So are you just kidding yourself at some point? I think ultimately, it goes back to ally because as we've seen like these best teams, these stars are making the moves. The are kind of held hostage to the stars and we're the comparisons this laguardia terrible way you're trying to say, it's just a horrible year I mean come on player GM's coach GM's is tough look Lebron carefully cultivated Anthony Davis for years. You said, this is my guy this is the guy want he's coming to my agencies come to Los Angeles whereas it kind of flick I went through his phone was like. Katie what's up? Jimmy Butler. All right PG. Okay let's do it. It felt a little more haphazard and maybe we're seeing the downsides of that. Now whereas Lebron had an all carefully plotted out for years at a time. Well, one thing I do wonder is how much of the shot for that we're all seeing right now is because of coli and kind of just like the general vibe of this team going on right now, I think some of it is because Patrick Beverley just like talk so much shit. That everyone is just like ready to give it back to him but in a lot of ways to charge his point like the. Team does Kinda take on the persona of their star? I think that it's a cliche but it's also true. We've seen played out a bunch of time just look at the Lakers I mean as charged was saying like have all of these guys who are like great in two, thousand nine and yet like Lebron eighty is enough to really drive team I do wonder there's just like the sense of joyless nece about this team that I wonder if they could shake because it kind of stems from Kurai. Paul George is similar enough to this where he's kind of like not necessarily media shy but at the very least will. Isn't like charismatic as much of a vocal leader. I do think you can get reductive in this conversation because I think that could come from other players. Like for instance, this is an apples to apples, but like draymond green is the accelerate for the warriors in the way that Steph curry maybe vocally as a leader is not I do think you that as and you saw earlier in these playoffs when trump was on when tries Trez it is team looked like the clippers that we all expected them to be. There is like this energy there is just like, I, don't know. It's just it was just something to them that felt like there was this fight in them but I think this is the problem when when it tries doesn't step up and if you're relying on the ninth guy on your team, something is off. So I think ultimately my question is, is this baked into who they are or something that they can change I mean I think quiet who he is and they had a hard. Time they gave them a really wide berth like I said, they catered to his every request basically all season long I mean it was a very hard and treatment of by with the Clippers and I think even Paul George said it last night I'm not sure any of them ever really felt truly personally connected to qualify. They always talk about how he's funny behind the scenes and everything else. But which of those guys is. Willing to challenge him on the court like which of those guys you know is it really has a strong personal connection with Leonard to be. That's a completely open question. We never hear about it from Kuwa-. He reveals so little doc often talks around it or when he's ask those kinds of questions do you need to quite a be more of a leader on the court? I mean he never really answers those directly. And even last night when it was so obvious that the superstars let these guys down right in docs asked about it, and the first thing he wants to do is is deflect any criticism from them and kind of fall on the sword and and kind of protect them, which is admirable to a degree, but it's also not completely honest with who needs to be accountable for this loss. I just wonder if quite Leonard goes home from the bubble realizing how much. Of. This is his fault. Right and I think that you know you're making this comparison to the heat in two thousand and ten when we heard the story about, Lebron not wanting to leave his house for three months afterwards. 'cause he was so depressed because he knew let everybody down he knew that the critics who said he he's shrunk were right and all that stuff and he comes back with a new purpose next year. Do I necessarily anticipate that from Acquire Leonard Lopate a response like Jordan after losing to the magic ninety five and he comes back and he's on the space jam set running everybody off the court and they they win seventy two games in the title. Next year I kind of expect quite a comeback in place sixty, five games in thirty two minutes a night and do the same little things that choir always does and. You know you give them credit for the two titles. He's won the two finals MVP's that he's one but I do think there's a little bit more nuanced needed when we look at his reputation, kind of worry stacks up all time. Frankly I thought Dunkin carried the two thousand fourteen spurs I'm going to take to my grave and I also think we need to look back at last year's raptors and say that was a mutually beneficial relationship. The raptors figured out ways to kind of compensate for Christ weaknesses in may be ways that the clippers didn't quite figure out yet. Yeah. I would say like when I was younger. I used to always think Oh, if you have the best players you're going to win but as I get older and more washed I, don't believe that anymore and like the first question I'll ask someone of a team whose yaws leader who leads a team that's the is important like with Kyle are did last year is very, very important. Kyle lowry allowed coack can do his thing whatever I'll handle the team I'll give everyone line. There was no Kyle lowry on this team forget the basketball stuff it just the life stuff. All right. We should talk about the Nuggets Rob's dry out five set. The team that won this series May I. Remind You come on Rob. We're trying to appeal to the masses to the one hundred people in Denver. You know come on. Yeah. All the legions of clippers fans have been using. Talk. Cash is is not for their heads for fans. It's for their haters come on. True that's very true. There are more of those. So this was incredible. The nuggets came back from three one for a second time. Do can I give you just like before we go about them like the the haters take about the nuggets that you can't come back from a three one deficit and be that triumphant you have to go down three one before you come back from three. But. Now, Jamal Murray was incredible. I thought this is one of the best games I've ever seen Nikola Yokich played rob just go ahead just tell us about the glories of of the Denver, nuggets. Well, let's start with Yokich because let's call him what he is, which is one of the best play performers in the NBA right now like to your stretch now. The story the whole time was that he was going to be vulnerable that you're going to be able to exploit them defensively. They just took a pretty good crack at the number two offense in the regular season came out alive. and. At the point where his defense isn't an issue against this kind of opponent. What are we really talking about here? Because this is a guy putting up incredible numbers shooting sixty percent shooting now, not just for this series but over the course of his entire playoff career. He he's incredible and and as we've kind of danced around a lot of this conversation, he's got you pretty much can't double like Charleston's talking about because of all the problems that it creates and really forces you to do some things that are outside your comfort zone that we were gonNA push a coach like doc to things that he's not comfortable with that he doesn't WanNa do. He's incredible and to pair that with Murray who? Again like I think the on ball defense on Murray was pretty good. I'll series and yet she's pivoting around Gali Paul George and driving hard to the rams making incredible play's he's getting just hot enough to carry them in stretches where they need it, and then you have all these other guys, the Jeremy Grants, the Gary, Harrises who are not only hitting shots, the palm millsaps who had six points and looked awful and completely done at points in this series also gave them incredible and necessary minutes. I just couldn't be more impressed with with the nuggets did to be on I think they deserve all praise in the world. For pulling this off because the team that we saw over these last three games to compare that with the team that we saw start the Utah series it's just been such an amazing journey for them to get to this point maybe they shouldn't have started out so terribly to begin with. But where they've ended up is is a hell of a thing I think we should start with the pick and roll which when Yokich Murray I feel like that has a chance to be because it's been play playoffs now and there's no answer for it. Right? You can't go under you can't trap it and you can't switch it right Joke and Murray Pike the lease switchable players in the League Greg because you have Yokich the best Po Score Murray Guy can score from thirty, five, forty feet when he wants right. So if you can't switch can't double can't trap can't blitz can't wander can't go over like what can you do I don't know what the answer is be on double team extra is and the newly G- mistakes pass anyways like that pick. And Roll to me that a chance to be like the steph Curry Jim agree pick and roll talk about like fifteen twenty years. The thing that the series reminded me of and really brought to the light. We've been talking for a while now about how teams are using their cap, who they're willing to pay for who they should be devoting resources for and the conversation for a while it's been at the center position is. A mercenary position, you get a guy, you plug him and you're going to be fine as long as he's productive in the right ways versatile in the right ways. This series to me is an indictment of that because you have a visa zoo bots, who is a pretty good big plugged into a lineup of other really good players and it's all fun and games to have that Mantras Hera until you run into a seven. Foot Serbian who just rolls over you and you know if you have a specific talent like Yokich, that Kinda Shit isn't good enough like you really need to be prepared for these outcomes and you know anybody at the top tiers, the West was necessarily looking at the nuggets in fear, but maybe they should have been. Yeah. Here's my Yokich take. It's a little bit lighter. You guys have been breaking down the XS and OS. This guy needs to get on instagram. Okay. Charming when he wasn't on social media when he was just an all star level center. But when you outduel Kawhi Leonard in a second round series and now you're going heads up against the Braun for a trip to the NBA finals is not charming anymore you now officially have a responsibility as global icon to spread the beauty of the sport when you happen to play it more beautifully than anyone else. So I don't know if he has a cousin I don't know if you can find one of those big brothers we always see. These three hundred, fifty, pound Denver monsters can get one of those guys to just make at Yokich no and and get some of highlight clips percolating around social media. I'm you know I'm kidding but I'm really not I do think that this is obviously his coming out party and there's going to be a lot of people who tune into that Western Conference finals are like wait a minute Denver has a basketball. Team wait a minute like who is this gigantic guy? Why does he look like that and why is he just mixing everyone who's trying to guard him and I think that you know for him it's like this is your opportunity to kind of show what you what you're about, and he clearly has great basketball philosophy underlying everything. He does incredibly unselfish his stat line last night was just outrageous hard working on the. Defensive End. He's tried to make improvements on their he held up well enough against a team that was loaded with perimeter weapons you know on on the match up, you know coming into that series I think a lot of people are thinking these guys are gonna eat pretty well, and at times early in the series they did. But Denver was able to to hold up just fine in the biggest moments. In and that includes Yokich. I'm curious. How do you guys think the Lakers are gonNA approach Denver on both sides because the match ups here are so strange like Murray's like this traditional now modern point guard and the Lakers are kind of interchangeable lineup where they don't really have like a pure point guard defender. You've got Lebron is going to have his way with the nuggets wings in in an a method that. Quiet Paul George just didn't because Lebron we'll get to the rim he will get to the free throw line. I mean, that's just a a guarantee you've got. Anthony, Davis WHO's kind of a strange matchup with nuggets frontline and you've got Yokich where you know if I had to send out any of La's traditional bigs against Yokich I'm closing my eyes there right. So how do you think you know frank vocal and company are going attack this thing I mean you do have an Absolutely iconic matchup Yokich, I Davis. This is just like center porno a big man porn right there. Those two guys I. Think Ultimately, my guess is if you're La, you're going to have to put eighty on Yokich Lebron on Murray and switched to screen. I, think that's maybe the best chance to guard those two guys 'cause like theoretically right eighty can theoretically may be guard Murray in the perimeter and Lebron. So freaking strong I to see Yokich and Lebron banging into the paint that'd be credible. I look at it from the other side is Yokich going to have to guard Davis I think Dave is could score forty night and like the one of the things I've been most impressed about with Yokich has been some of his defensive performances both this postseason and even dating back to last postseason. I thought like at times he's he's not going to be the best defender. You're mostly looking for him to be capable a lot of the times but we know about the the cross core Lebron levels, a bonus level passing and all the other stuff that he does. But like last night in particular I thought he was. Really good at times where he someone someone at the Rim and gave them kind of a glare which we don't usually see like you could tell that he was embracing that level and I I do think when he's able to lock in on the Defensive End, this team is different and I also think it's a credit to some of the other guys that they have around him. I think. So obviously, they didn't have bar for the series, but I almost feel like getting Gary Harris back into that team almost clarified what they do whereas Jeremy Grant and Harris and some of these other guys just like fill in the defensive. Nuance I guess around some of these, these two superstar offense players in the same way that I think. The Celtics are better without hayward in a Lotta ways. He kind of clarified what they did at least in terms of rotations and in terms of who they are just I have a question for you as like the ad whisper. How is she going to do against Yokich against the guy who's that big and strong? How does that match a play for him on defense? I do think he has struggled in the past against smaller guys guys you can stand up to him. OWES MORE PJ talk my smaller PJ, Tucker types who are more stout. Who are able to move with him I actually engaged is going to Cook Yokich I. Think like I mean I mean the other way though he garden Yokich? How's that going to work? I would assume that eighty is the optimal defender for a guy like Yoga's just because he could move with them. I. Mean I think you saw in some some kind of. Series that if you get a bigger guy on him, you're either you're you're forcing him to be jumps you're. So where do you go bare forced him to be more of a jump shooter in that first series debate pretty much stonewalled him in the paint. And I think boss should a better job of getting out onto Yokich. In this series but I think eighty kind of the best of both worlds. I feel like they're going to help those guys that I feel like they're going to try to things like remember that one sequence where I think Jeremy Grant was just breaking corner threes at the end of one of the games I feel like that's GonNa be what the Lakers are trying to dare the nuggets into right? Don't you think just maybe it's not like. Hard trapping but it's just like helping significantly on the two man game and just Kinda hoping that guys like Paul Millsap in Jeremy Grand just can't get it done I don't know I think that's probably how I would approach it. Well I think you're wearing down Yokich in other ways to where like the thing that the Lakers are equipped to do that the clippers weren't willing to was attacked really directly in. The pick and roll like pick out Yokich, go at him time and time and time again collide for whatever reason didn't want to do that. They just kinda floated through some of their offense at times and they're looking for good shots there just kind of going about it in a roundabout way versus Lebron has shown. He will pick out a defender and he will go at you eight times in a row. That we saw the heat do with Kemba Walker like that's what playoff basketball is. You pick one defender who you know you have an advantage against and we'll see whether Lebron thinks he has an advantage against Yokich or not I suspect he does. But you know. What a broad can go from picking on Westbrook in the in the around to picking are Yokich in the third round of God. And great point though this wasn't embarrassing series from co I wasn't it I mean come on. Guy Leave on the sky left so much on the table. It's Kili Be. At on that note, let's let's take a quick break here, and when we come back, we're going to talk about the other game last night the he and this is We're. Back. So when Bam Outta BIOS stuff jason. Tatum at the Rim I felt like I felt feelings for the first time in jail. I feel I believe it knowing how you live your life. Just. Is it. Okay. Well I feel like I'm pretty good at remaining objective in the press box. I'm a professional journalists guys I've rarely. Happens I won't get up Outta my seat I was in my home I literally like you're and like jumped. Clapping thing that was incredible. That was like one of the best place I've seen in recent history. sharks what'd you see from this one last night because I will say for for most of that game I thought the Celtics were going to pull that out and then all of a sudden Bam just completely stonewalled him and it was a different game. I will say I did feel like though Miami one I thought you saw a lot of areas or Boston could attack them. And the thing I wander is 'cause Miami does so much cutting off the ball right so much ball movement will Boston be able to shut that off as a series goes along I. think that's my first question about the series can mike you saw them shutdown Robinson can they can they make Bam and Jimmy be scores instead of passers and I think that is the first big pivot. Point of everything going on I mean on that block I think we saw the lift of the basketball. God's Britain Arrays Bamut, a bio into the air to correct whatever it was that happened with Marcus smart at the end of regulation selling the hell out of that foul Dirksen Junior, which credits ahead like put the referees in a position where they have to call that that was ridiculous but. I think even more ridiculous was the body control the coordination from Bam to meet that shot at the rim with as much as grazing Jason. TATUM. Like there was no contact between their bodies other than him just obliterating the ball up there, which is what makes Bam. So enticing as a player there just aren't players his size with that kind of body control with that kind of coordination it's. It's a hell of a thing to see in a context like that for sure Ben. Ben, were you there when Qui- had the Middle Finger Block I was and I did not realize it was the middle finger block when it happened but can I give you guys just like a full-on Brag? That's GONNA. Make me sound like a pretty big dork though with this whole. Bam Block Claes lease. So I've been to every single game since the second round started have it missed a single game and in these times I have sort of I. Think I actually might be number one in the bubble in most games attended by any media member, I'm going to get that fact check by the end of it because I want that title but in in the course of going. To all these games and I've kind of come up with little maneuvers for like how I can position myself. So I'm basically offense defense substituting myself from one end of the court the other as these Games are unfolding. So like for example, when Lebron had to block in two, thousand, sixteen, I was at a, it was an oracle and so I'm up in the top of the second. You know the top of the the main bowl I guess. So in between the first and second tier so I saw it all in full but it was like I. don't even know hundreds of feet away for May and it was like I kind of have to squint through my glasses to really see see it here. I've got myself a seat right next to the. NBA, officials on one end, and then there's a baseline seat on the other end. So like double overtime game was happening I literally went back and forth between the rappers and Celtics I went back and forth between those two seats to Kinda get the perfect angle for these final plays like nine times. Of course, all the wives and girlfriends are like, why does this guy? Keep walking back and forth in front of us after every play. This is so obnoxious. Who Does he think he is but what can I say I can't help myself so I was perfectly positioned for Bam's a block right there on the on the court side view and you know there's this whole question. Is it the greatest block in playoff history I? Mean I think? Everyone loves to raise to the superlatives afterwards, it unfolded. So perfectly, his timing the strength of his wrist, a fact that it was his left hand the he covered a lot of ground to even get himself into position to make that block and tatum really really took it hard to the hoop and I had been sitting there watching tatum brick contested jumper after contested jumper. For the previous five minutes he missed his final seven shots in the last seven minutes of regulation and overtime. I, was waiting for him finally to go to the basket here he does perfectly has the same and Bam still meets him at the Rim and he's able to Kinda hold up. I, thought it was better than a block I don't know about Lebron's Block I. Think you know to me that's Kinda like hallowed territory when you start talking about like the stakes involved with the finals but it was an unbelievable play in all my darkness paid off everybody can go to my twitter account and watch the video from that from that sideline angle. It's just gorgeous and you could just see right how he beats him at the summit is. Awesome. It was one of the coolest moments. The only thing better. Honestly I think in terms of a pure moment here, the entire time in the bubble was og shot I think I would still have og shot is number one just because the pass was ridiculous but I think Bam's block was number two maybe Yokich should hire you as social media manager seems good tips. Here we go now making real money now go now I do think the tatum point about just how weird that last like I don't know ten minutes or so for the Celtics was just seemed like after all those beautiful basketball, they'd been able to pass their way through the heat zone which guys I don't know if you knew this but the he played some zone. I just. It was so weird because it seemed like they went to Canada because it seemed like they wanted to attack some switches, but then they were going Kemba. Oh, when they didn't even have the appropriate switch and then it switched to tatum and Tatum was is me I'm kind of think like if felt like Brad, Stevens in blacked out his certain point and we're just like, let's just ISO. The hell out of this. I don't know I think it was weird to see that down the stretch from from a coach that we're used to seeing just basically XS and os his way out of the situations. Some of that I think was the LINEUPS that Miami had out there like. The heater uniquely positioned if they have to defend one possession like they did at the end of regulation, they pull all their bad defenders from the floor and so you have Jimmy. Butler you've Bamut. Bio Jay crowder they're adding Jones junior and Andre Iguodala to that there is nowhere to score. There's nowhere to hide. There's match to pick on part of the reason I think we saw so many ISOS specifically from Kemba. Tyler hero was guarding him a lot sure and so if you're going to look at the heat and say, there's one place against all these really good defensive players where we could have something, it could be there surprise surprise hero who I think has really improved offensive defensively over the course of these playoffs really stepped up into this moments. Great game overall but he he really stood to that particular challenge here what a triple double almost twelve point seven boards nine assists speaking of that just as the world's biggest Kemba Walker. Fan Speak Your truth. Do you believe in the Sky Uconn legend what's your take on Campbell Eight Games listen I just like winners you know and a guy who maybe won a national championship before maybe almost won a playoff series with the Charlotte Hornets. Those are the guys that I'm going to. It was crazy how the only shot that this guy was able to make this happened in the previous series as well. Was this step back jumper I've never seen a player who has a signature move basically go to it with this much success when everyone realizes this is the move that he's going to get. This is like star level shit that he's doing right now where he's been able to bounce off guys and get the shot off on the other hand the rest of the performance last night was was dreadful. There's a there's really I think it'd be questioned Benham curious your thoughts here. Whether or not they really have to start. Now I wouldn't say sitting Cambe maybe like trying to limit his minutes or finding ways to to maybe play him a little bit more off ball because. There was a lot of bad there I. Mean, here's the thing I nobody wants to ramp up the celtics panic more than I do, and there are so many potential avenues like tatum collapses down the stretch Cambe can't get really good shots settling. The offense is grinding to the gears. You got all these three pointers, Marcus smart and when you got the Marcus smart game. In the second round, you win the game when you get the Mark Mark Game in the third round, you lose the game Jimmy powers through trucks, young Jason Tatum for the and one at the end of the game here they are out executing you on the other end. I mean, all of those kinds of things would be avenues to attack a young rising team. That's really kind of hasn't been there before in terms of being on the final stage in trying to dismiss them. But I feel like these guys are so steadying they already bounced back so many times from Toronto, they're like inoculated against these kinds of criticisms. So I'm not sure if that's faith in Brad. That I have where I don't WanNa get too excited and kind of bad them before they're done can act as assignment editor though please for either charge or rob or maybe like Mike preyistas listening or Mo. Dakhil there was that possession tell me if you guys remember this in the first half. So Miami, goes to its vaunted zone. Erik spoelstra puts up two fingers and everybody in the building knows that they're going to the zone. and. Boston. Had like twelve consecutive passes that ended up with the lineup. Do you guys remember this play where we're past past past couple of guys were driving and kicking Moving it back out to the perimeter I just need to explain to me what happened because it felt like a fever dream it was beautiful and I don't feel like we get enough zone offense talk on the Internet. So somebody take the ball and run with it. please. Well, this is the thing about the zone to you know in theory I. Think it's great against teams like the Celtics Toronto certainly had a lot. Of success, with it, but it does tend to be the kind of thing that has diminishing returns over seven game series right. So we saw the Celtics has been alleged to have that kind of movement out of the gate against the zone. What is the series look like in game five in game six and game seven if the heater still rolling out zones and they've had that much more practice to work with I to. Me That that speaks to what we've been dancing around this whole time, which is the Celtics did look pretty good in this game they look like they had some stuff that worked to me if the Heater GonNa win they have to get these punches in early before the Celtics can really started drafting to some of this stuff. There's also the Gordon Hayward thing like where Diaz, how do you feel about that gave? Any conference come back and because he can really help them obviously guy with his size and passing ability and shooting ability. Well, how much do they really need from him at this point? They're getting good production from Brad, wanamaker, Daniel thighs, some of these guys that they'll throw in for like five minutes and hope that Semioli just hits a corner three or two, and then you just get him out as quickly as possible. So. Screw anything up I do wonder I. Don't know how healthy he's going to be but if he can even give them ten to fifteen minutes, I think there appreciably better. Why don't you start with the grant? Williams semi Oh delay minutes and you go from there right? The heater such a small team like Gordon Hayward can be a big for you in this series. It's not really that big a deal. So I would start with that kind of investment and then if he looks good if he's replying wealth and scale it up yeah. I was a complete jerk. When he went down I mean he was walking out of the building in a in a walking boot and I was my first thought and I'm not trying to be a jerk again my first. Thought was well, they're going to be fine addition by subtraction they know who their best five guys are and they're just GonNa roll those guys down the stretch and they're going to be great because I really liked their closing lineup. So I mean to kind of go back to what you were saying you know, do you take him out certain situations? No I would stick with that five man group. They got you here ride with them through the end of it you know if you can. Find a small role off the bench for Hayward. That's fine. He should be okay with that means obviously trying to get himself back into physical condition I guess I look at it this way though can they win the title without him playing a real role, right? I. Think to this point not having them not having him has it really hurt them. I think they could actually win this series potentially without major contributions from him but if you look ahead to the finals, are they going? To need one more guy after you know riding their main guys pretty heavy minutes late against Toronto probably, pretty heavy minutes in this series against Miami I feel like there would be some moment where just having him a fifteen eighteen minutes a night would be you know potentially difference maker net scenario I. Just look at the lineup and you think if I could roll out Hayward Brown tatum smart size that is freaking nasty. There's no holes to attack on defense perfect floor spacing tons of playmakers. I want to see it at some point in the playoffs. Look like that's the group you go against when the Lakers go small with eighty at the five right when the Lakers use that lineup. That's like all six six and above like I feel like that's your counter and if if you don't have if you're relying on Kemba against that group that could get dicey it's so funny that I feel like I spent hours and hours around the trade deadline trying to figure out how the Celtics could improve upon Daniel face i. feel like this is like his coming. Out, party in these playoffs like I feel like I'm the leader thighs nation over here because every time he's on a on the court he makes a difference and I it is surprising how the Celtics just kind of stayed who they were were they kind of leaned into Jalen Jason and his perimeter defenses, their identity and his work so much I think a big part of that is we've talked about this a bunch on this podcast and I Kinda WanNa talk about it a little bit just quickly like How. It seems like every team has sizing down and if every team sizing down the teams that on unless you're the rockets, the teams that are used to doing that are the ones that are having the most success and I I mean, Ben, you references earlier but like the Celtics were used to playing without hayward, it's funny like you try to lean into this narrative like Marcus smart coming off the bench and becoming his big player. It's like he did that like forty times already during the regular season. And I do feel like they're already comfortable in the way that the basketball being played in playoffs. Tyson, foul trouble or or lack of it to me as a huge x factor in this series like I. Really think if I was Jimmy, Butler I would just be circling ties in. It's like anytime you have a chance to drive into his body or try to take him off the dribble and just do the stuff that gets him to the free throw line that. would be like an absolutely top priority because I do think there's a real fall off when he goes off the court what a moment for ties nation yourself late in game six when Toronto goes super small entices just having a Dunk parade I mean you must have been over there with the green beer in your job and your face painted and you know what else? Arm Sleep please. Asleep. He's got like a shamrock on your left You know your left arm and a Leprechaun your right arm when Tyson just going absolutely bananas He's been awesome and I do think his foul trouble is You know is something that they've got to watch out for they feel like maybe a big short although I like Robert Williams I think he's he's been really solid as well. but Yeah. No I I I'm with you entice nation I'll be honorary member a salutes a ties to under different stakes mind you but had his own. Bam. Like block against Bam himself. Early in that game, just took a dunk straight out of the rim like he just has those kinds of plays every game like a couple here and there not a huge deal. But in the grand scheme of things, those things really add up. I think for me like talking about Thyssen all this when I come back to this conversation as teams are going smaller, right? It makes sense. then. There's Anthony Davis they're going smaller with a seven footer. And that's why I wandered his all said and done the season is over my look back and say that was the move right there. Right. When you play small the seven footer at center, it's hard to loose. Well, what about Bam, Bam have a shot against a d. because it does feel like he's becoming central to much every series at the heat is playing at this point he's going to have to they're gonNA win. Don't know. Play a lot of minutes I. Get a little bit nervous when he has the his hands I know he gets a lot of love for his playmaking sometimes what he dribbles it just feels like, oh, now you can just dive on him and he he turns into this turnover machine that makes me a little bit uncomfortable. Just one final quick note on this series though what's been fun for me to look at with Boston and Miami is which of their players are the family sections, Fan favorites right and the wives. They love Marcus smart and they love Tyler Hero. Those guys are like the biggest dudes in the building. So I just hope. We get shoot outs between those two. It's it kind of fits though because I feel like basketball twitter's kind of the same way right like marcus like Hashtag when he plays, he's everywhere tyler heroes just like everyone's younger brother who just kind of seems like all this could go a couple of different directions, but he's like actually coming through in the clutch everybody's really happy for him. So that's just funny I didn't expect that you know I would have expected. You know. The love fest between Jason Tatum induced because. The headlines like Jimmy. Butler power moves you know getting the getting the juice rooting for Justin has takes on this. Important. We'll get me started on this because I think Liam attend to jinx the whole. MILWAUKEE. Bucks run showed up, they were foreign one in the playoffs he showed up they were one four in the playoffs. So you tell me the numbers don't lie. Babies are ruining the playoffs I on this corner. The tyranny of cheeses and and just like zoom in on this freaking baby whenever type tatum does anything this needs to stop. Justin. I'm I'm actually ready to join you on this corner. An an unprecedented level of access in these Games camera angles, the producers could never dream of in a normal NBA arena and we're out there watching a baby on an IPAD. I'll tell you just add a little more color. After. One of the bucks losses, the baby who I just mentioned earlier was just having. Fed pages just crying like just it was so sad because I'm not even sure he could have realized that dad had lost. So he was just crying independently of the Milwaukee Bucks this season collapsing and he's just walking out of the arena screaming I don't have children at this point pretty glad that I don't have. That single moment really confirmed a lot from everyone said, oh people you know it's so hard to be a parent during Cova man like it's very hard being a parent during cove and when you had to quarantine for a week, only have your team lose and only to have the baby exit the arena in just a full on tantrum brutal brutal. Okay. Joe Guys could. I got a six month old son. Don't let the haters get you down. Kids are awesome. These people are crazy coastal elitist or respect families have kids people. It's the best. So has your playoff game raised. During the during these playoffs John I mean we have been, has it been a curse for you or a jinx for you? I would say I have new data energy because I'm like four in the morning thing my son I'm ready to blog. It's great. You've dad strength. Well tatum Jaanus late-game guys with some issues call John he fix it. All right I think that's a good place to end it here. Ben Thank you so much for giving us the sports illustrated reunion we were all. I loved it. Thanks for having me Guys I. Really appreciate it asked coming on that is it for us. Thank you to John Robinson, for giving us our beautiful new introduction theme song here in R.i.p to Siri who after I think three years is no longer giving us takes but. The basketball is very good and we're thankful to have a new song at the top here. We will be back next Wednesday from all of us here at the group chat we'll see you next time.

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NBA Jan. 8 | What You Need To Know

The Free Agents

09:26 min | 2 weeks ago

NBA Jan. 8 | What You Need To Know

"Am tasks and. This is what you need to know in the nba. For friday january. A first thing you need to know is that luka doncic all right. I was definitely worried. That luca wasn't in good enough shape. Maybe we gonna get an mvp type season from luka doncic this year. He sat out sunday against the bulls. With a quad into contusion. Maybe he was getting himself into shape a little bit but then he's returned to straight games. Triple double in the first one and then the second one on thursday night in was definitely the game of the night. If thirty eight points thirteen assists and nine rebounds who cares about the nine turnovers in a real great head to head matchup with nikolay yokich of the denver nuggets and it looked like the mavs had this one when luca dutch found maxi cleopa for jumper with three seconds left in the fourth quarter but nickel yokich wrapped up a seventeen point fourth quarter little sidestep on the baseline can't double that jumper over willie collie stein sending it to overtime nico at thirty eight points himself in overtime. The mass prevailed got enough. Josh richardson hit a couple of shots. He had fourteen points on the night. I was worried about this mavericks theme coming into the season would they have enough without kristaps porzingis to supplement luka doncic schwebel lucas. Just good enough and he gets enough from his teammates to win basketball games and good news for the dallas mavericks. Who said at four and four kristaps porzingis is traveling with the team. No timetable on his return but they do need him just to help out luca a little bit but they're treading the three and five denver nuggets little bit. They were gonna be fine. Sorta like the mavs. Because they've got a superstar nikolay yokich at the helm but it would be nice to get michael porter jr. back the second year player. Who's been playing really really well inserted into the starting lineup. For the first time was supposed to be back with the team on thursday after a seven day quarantine period because of contact tracing then on thursday. The athletic sean. Sharon reported that. Michael porter jr. is going to have to quarantine ended an additional ten to fourteen days. What the heck happened. I assume who's speculating. But michael porter. Jr. wasn't careful at some point during that seven day quarantine periods meaning. He is going to have to quarantine an additional nearly two weeks which could mean that he's going to miss ten straight games a big chunk here a four michael porter jr. and the denver nuggets. Hopefully michael boorda. Junior is fine and he has been playing really really well but it does stink inserting him into the starting lineup. Were he had to learn the defense event. Hopefully the nuggets can get him back as quick as possible because these quarantine periods although there being reported as a certain amount of days in game sometimes they get shorter. Sometimes they get longer. Hopefully it's on the shorter end for the denver. Nuggets game was phenomenal. But the first game of the tnt double header was disappointing. Attuned tuned in was very excited to see the nets in there. Tied is from the ninety ninety one season looking good first piece of news. I hear when i tuned into the broadcast. Kyrie irving is not with the nets and they don't know where he is. Apparently steve nash head coach. The nets texted him. No response from kyrie irving than we later. Learned from jove are the athletic that he did text his teammates pre-game he is fine but he's dealing with a personal issue and he's also going to miss the team's next game friday against the grizzlies. I don't really think it's a big deal in the locker room. I think this will just float by. And it won't be a huge deal of kyrie. Irving is communicating with his team on. The other side was also disappointed. That seth curry of the sixers wasn't gonna be playing. He had an ankle injury on the bench. Seventeen points per game sixty from the floor sixty from three picked as my under the radar guy to score fifty points next He has been having a great season a career season. He's sitting on the bench we later. Learn according to walsh who is a reporter that now has to do contact tracing tracing emmys on the bench and woes reports that at the end of the first. He left the bench because he was told he. Tested positive for the corona virus. And i say that reports are gonna do contact tracing tracing 'cause woes with the with the report breaking down. He was sitting beside assistant coach. Sam cassell and then when joel embiid came out of the game dwell sat beside him. So hopefully everything is good in steph curry's world and it wasn't for the philadelphia seventy sixers in this game. They went into brooklyn with the best record in the nba. Seven one but that's deep and curiously vert. Got the start because carries out. Katie is out due to contact tracing spencer. Dinwiddie is out at twenty two points and ten assists joe harris who was on the bench to sort of balance the unit. I believe stephen ashes is doing that. He had twenty eight points off the bench. That's coach steve nash. Big game for joe harris. Will the seventy sixers sit at seven and two while the nets are now. Five and four spurs. Visiting the lakers. I told you the spurs were exciting citing. The young guys great popovich is down with the kids. They go into los angeles. Lakers are wearing these throwback blue jays themselves not much a fantasy to blue for the lakers in my opinion. Anyway it's the spurs. Were talking about in this one. They scored the first nine points of the game and then led the entire way. Everybody was having some shoot and fun in the starting lineup hitting threes. Even tomorrow rosen in his hometown. Marcus aldridge though was the guy who led the way twenty eight points for him. His best game of the season by far and the kids having fun around him to shanti. Murray look so frigging good out there. Lying walker is well even devon vassal. A guy out of florida state. The spurs just drafted couple threes off the bench. He could be a steal at number eleven. Patty mills thrown beauty passes. The spurs went into la and won both games against the clippers and the lakers. And that's why. I was a little worried about the lakers. Winning the one seed. Because they're going to get everybody's best shot number one number two. They're just going to be a little bit lax. Not trying to win every single game. Not going all out. I should say every single game. And that's what happened as the lakers weren't playing to their full capabilities. Even the commentators in this game are saying now. Lebron james gonna sit a couple of minutes here. He'll come back. It is a product of lebron's teams. After they won the championship in cleveland. Their defense fell off the next season. Who knows the lakers are good enough to win the one seed. They now sit at six in three couple other games on the schedule the grizzlies in cavs no sex land back court for the cavs. No contracts and no darius garland for them. The grizzlies missing their best players. John ranch jaren jackson junior Justice renslow still out is game. Came down to the wire. The grizzlies detained bayne missed a three pointer to tight as seconds ticked down although in his rookie season. Plenty of threes. And i feel like no dunks. His failed you with barely mentioned that. There's a player named bane in the league. Anyway larry nance junior a great game for the cleveland cavaliers. In their victory he was seventy seven hit four threes eighteen points. One note on him. John hollander pointed out earlier this season. If the cavs are looking to rebuild maybe get some draft picks for their guys. Although they've started the season really really. Well maybe larry nance could be a guy that they move. A lot of teams will be looking at a guy. Like larry nance who is very much a modern day. Big the way. He's shooting the ball out there. Four threes for larry nance didn't really expect that out of his bag. Last game. portland routed. The wolves dame thirty nine points seven threes in the blazers win the wolves number one pick anthony edwards had a career high twenty six points off the bench. It's interesting that he comes off the bench with all of their lack of depth issues. He could be starting. And i wonder at some point does ryan saunders. Throw him into the starting lineup. I know they're trying to balance and trying to be a good team. Karl anthony towns out. There really really struggling all eight games off the bench for anthony edwards to this point last note. There's a g. league bubble. Starting in february in florida. I wanted to mention it because some great old nba names will be there. Lots of vets lance stevenson. Michael beasley jeremy lin. A shamsher on your reported way. Angelo ball will be there as well. Tmz told me that one game Tmz and some other great names emec okeafor. Oh my favorite. Terrence jones quincy pond dexter damon stoned diamond stone. He's not stoned end. Genero jones jerry. Jones i remember that name. It got me in a spelling bee with the starters. Jim j. e. m. e. r. i o. That's a tough one next. Jonathan given for that information all right. We're all done here. Make sure you check out the no dunks full length episode on friday. It's the drop baby got worse of the week. Rapid fire a top five. Come into. I'll be back on monday to tell you the news as fast as i possibly can see that doc.

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Are the Denver Nuggets the Team To Beat?

ESPN Daily

27:35 min | 4 months ago

Are the Denver Nuggets the Team To Beat?

"Zach Lowe. Thank you for joining me. In spite of being among those who were called out by name by Jamal Moore immediately after that nuggets game seven, win over the clippers shocking Charles. Exact name out of your know Stephen all better. So given this team some damn respect. Tell me what it's like to discover that. Your name somehow escapes the mouth of Jamal Mary at the podium and you realize you're somehow on. This bulletin board for the Denver Nuggets I went to bed shortly after the game because I didn't have to write about the game I was very tired and I woke up at like five because my kid made noise or something. Let me just check what time it is, and I looked at my phone and it was like thirty four text messages and like a million twitter notification. Did Lebron say something like weird about the nuggets did combine like open up in like say something crazy on Oh no, that's not it. At all Jamal murder called me up and I don't even know why that day I had written an article before game seven about the toughness and resiliency of the Denver Nuggets. So many NBA fans and analysts are guilty of the same set. Underestimating the Denver Nuggets. Today, as the nuggets head into the Western Conference finals against the Lakers. ESPN senior NBA writer Zach Lowe Explores how Denver's dynamic duo got us. And what they still need to do. To beat Lebron James and Anthony Davis. I'm Pablo Torre. It's Friday September eighteenth. This. Is ESPN. Zach Lowe you did eventually figure out why Jamal Murray was throwing all that you after Denver made the conference finals. Curse of your official playoff picks for ESPN. Got That yes. fiene picks thing which is becoming the bane of my existence. He might have seen me on the jump the previous Friday in which because this is what they do on TV they say, Zach yes or no are the clippers winning game five and you can't be well, the nuggets are pretty good i. Yes or no said yeah, it's over but it was. It's not I. Don't enjoy it as much as people. I mean I feel like there's a decent chance that you just became the proxy for ESPN and possibly even espn daily because full disclosure we have not even talked about the nuggets since February. When we had a different host, this is how Meena and Doris Burke dealt with some of this nuggets speculation back that I'm sorry I'm sorry nuggets fans do you think they will be stuck in sort of that purgatory between the two teams? I still think they may be a year away Jamal Mary has got to be at the top of his game. He's not necessarily a shot creator, but he has this unique chemistry with Nicola Yokich. The sum of their parts is what makes that group special? What was the valid criticism of this team? Why did so many people miss out on the so badly? With people. You get to the final eight in the NBA playoffs. Every team is good. There are degrees of good but I pick the clippers to win the title. Anyway. So I was talking about this with someone on the nuggets yesterday because they were saying to me, why do you think? Everyone's for this team might terminology for me. What it was was like, what is this team's defense? So two years ago I think they were twenty third in defense last year they were like ninth or tenth, but there was this possibility that it was kind of full circle because they gave up a ton of threes and a ton of shots at the rim where they're getting lucky that opponents was missing those shots and this year they slid to twentieth. And were trending down all season long and so you had their numbers just all over the place but in a way that was like, maybe there's a sort of a mediocre to not good defensive teams like you can't win seriously in the playoffs and through the first four games against Utah they weren't healthy. They were recovering the the virus, it their team they looked bad on defenses any team I've ever seen him. They look I. Mean I heard you and Kevin talked about this on the low post podcast, your show and the phrase which I think it's fair to those who do remember watching the nuggets at some point earlier this postseason was it looked like they had quit. I just I think people. This is what we're learning about. This is like I think once the game start all of us have attended to watch the game what's going on in the game and forget like all day came with half team and were playing some of the seating games with like four centers and Paul Millsap on the floor and Gary Harris was injured in Wilburton is still injure since votes for Games. They've defended it like a top eight ish level in that's been the change like if the seem can defend their. Awesome. If they're mediocre bad defense if deemed third just good and it's unclear exactly what they are. So. We're according to on squad cast. We can choose our username and you have chosen four today. Nickel Yokich Stan. Zach. Lowe and let's first begin the conversation with you just describing for someone who's never actually even seen Yokich like what is Causing you to feel this strongly about that dude. So I was just watching before this in preparation for the conference finals. All of Yokich is post ups in pick and rolls against the Lakers, and he had this one pass that he caught in the post against Danny. Green with his right hand and. saw a cutter going baseline turn to the ball around in his hand without touching it with his left hand and like flicked this weird like his elbow was pointing up at the ceiling this weird like no look behind the back bounce pass raising the hunter is like every game he's throwing pass that I've never ever seen before Yokich with another past Murray got fouled. That wasn't another past Mike that was the pass over the head. Cup. These, toying with the game now. If you look at some of his passes to cutters like they're not open, they're not open they're totally well-covered. There is no pass available, but he just understands they're open. If the defense doesn't see the ball coming, he's the most imaginative passer certainly among big men I've ever seen they call him they broadly there's a consensus I think I agree as well. He's the best passing big man ever can we say that flatly I say that flatly The numbers are becoming pretty convincing people ten years older than you will defend bill. Walton sure and put his name in there. I'm young for buildings prime and of course, none of us got to see really arvydas bonus in his prime. But that's sort of the holy. Trinity of Big Man Passers. But everything he does like the way. I. See him shoot jumpers like my description for it is he looks like someone who's playing beer pong into his fourth hour at the table like just full extension just like flopping everywhere I don't know how this is going in, but it goes in for more often than you might think he feels like he's on the verge of becoming this enormous like very no doubt superstars AC. What do you expect to see out of him against the Lakers? I totally agree with you, and in fact I think the most common comparison for Yokich. Since he started to come in. Good was marcus soul. Burn. With apologies to both of them sometimes pudgy ground bound centers who are savant level passers get Marcus obviously a former defensive player of the year polio never going to win that word but I actually think. Nicole is closer to dirk with passing vision his his numbers right now these are Nicole Ioka just play off numbers through two seasons twenty, six, twelve, and seven. Fifty one percent shooting forty two percent from three forty three. Wow, that's way over what I would have guessed at a much higher volume than he shoots in the regular season and the playoffs decides like I've got to take these threes because by TV to. Outside. Yokich. Comeback by ten. In this series, he's got to be able to get some buckets in the post against the Lakers centers in against the Anthony. Davis in Anthony Davis Plays Center and Yokich the guard him can the nuggets survive those minutes defensively. In how well does a D. Fair guarding Yokich in the postseason it very well in the regular season, but you'll get much bigger than. Yeah we'll get into Anthony Davis but. I also want to get into the aforementioned Jamal, Murray. So Yokich is wingman has been playing so far above what I expected to see from him. What is the feeling around Murray in terms of his upside even comparisons to like other current or historical players that you're getting talking to people around the league. His ability to make tough shots is absolutely crazy. Murray trying to get it shot clock winding down Murray puts up a three. Jomo Laurie from downtown floaters. He was hitting game seven against the clippers. And fighting the talks. Home mid range pull ups. Those were enormously tough shots fading tilting. He's one of the stranger players in the League in that you look at his regular season numbers. Totally underwhelming like, yeah, like thirty, three, thirty, four, percent from. Where is this year radical Jamal Murray like unbelievable shooter and then the playoffs start and it's like I'll just put up fifty again they put up forty and game set routinely crazy it's also hard to untangle him from Yokich right because they help each other so much I think Yoga Helps Murray more than Murray Helps Yokich. We can't. Go. There and think about them we're. Going to be a long night for us, you know just need to go out there and an effort I will say effort and having fun. Yeah. It simple for us. They worked beautifully together in terms of what he's going to be I. Think this playoffs his elevated him into the conversation of like Donovan Mitchell Devon Booker like who would you rather have of those kind of guys I think he's not level now yeah. Yeah. Does it feel like to you? The series does hinge on Murray and Yokich. Being the peak maximum versions of themselves against presumably a Lebron James and Anthony Davis pairing that will be doing the exact same thing. Yeah, you know there's always these like little role players who have to make shots and this and that you can say that for every series, but to me, the most interesting part is is in the middle and in particular, how much the Lakers played their traditional centers after basically mothballing them against Houston. And I was talking to a GM, the day we're about how great Yokich has been and how he just destroyed the clippers like destroyed them too big in the post for any of their hair all in smaller guys. Too good of shooter for. Zoo. BOTs on the outside. Who can actually garden now like who can who can take away the three on the pick and pop but doesn't get bowled over in the post? And we stopped the list at Anthony Davis and Bam Bam like that that was the list like Joel Embiid is not using them off the three point arc Ken for five minutes in crunch time or something but like. But Anthony Davis was on the list in that scares me a little bit on Denver's behalf. All right coming up. The. Lakers won't have to face the clippers or the bucks in their bid to claim title. But are the Cinderella nuggets the matchup they really wanted? Shell knows that from the time you get up in the morning to when you wrap up at night, there's a lot of hurry up meet ups and eat ups that doesn't leave a lot of time for sports. So make time to catch up all the layups, T ups and batter ups by going to shell and getting things done at once I. Fill up with the Shell v Power Nitro plus premium gasoline. That's their most advanced fuel ever, and it'll keep your engine running like new with four levels of defense against gunk where corrosion and friction then save up with the fuel rewards. Program and never pay full price for gas. 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So Zach I'm curious what you think about this idea that the clippers being eliminated has resulted in this clarity of pathway for Lebron also. Even. Let him off the hook. Just sit on the two distinct threats and I vehemently disagree with one and agree with the other the clippers out God only knows what the hell just happened to them. I'm still digesting it forty eight hours later same to be are the higher upside team the Denver. What's the bucks were eliminated and even when the bucks were alive, they were the highest upside team they're gone. I'M GONNA shouting. DENVER. Like I'm not gonNA just sit here in Denver just a Patsy for the Lakers the Celtics are good. If Gordon Hayward comes back, the Celtics are really really good and the heat. That's another team I'm done doubt a gun up done the heater. Really good. Those teams are really good and they can play defense sick of play offense they're ready number two. The other thing is I can already see it happening. You just hinted at it. I can already see people trying to write in the Asterix while this was just a bubble title it was weird. Some players that want to be there. They're all these mitigating circumstances you know the bronze competition got eliminated early like how much account that and like no no no no no. No. Part of this whole thing was it's going to be hard in a way that it has never been hard before and all the clippers were fatigued in the fourth quarter of game seven because the ramp up with strange people had to leave the bubble for various reasons and this, and that everybody is dealing with the Lakers best defender on the perimeter didn't come Denver showed up with half a team. In everyone's dealing with it, it's really hard. It's really strange but the hardness of it is part of it to me I don't care who gets a limited if you surviving keep winning, there's no there's questions S. So. Lebron. I am perpetually fascinated given all of this chaos especially that you just described what Lebron do you expect to see in this particular series? He's watching that playoff series between the nuggets and clippers I am sure. What do you think his brain is processing when he sees the nuggets? I think he's probably thinking a lot about defense and I'm not the one who's GonNa. Guard Murray made the possession here there. Certainly on switches year they're not gonNa Garden Yokich maybe got switches. How can I as a rover as the third guy on the back line help out the two guys who are involved in that because that's hard in that's important. Offensively I think this is a good series for him Jeremy Grant will guard him probably start. Games Lebron can handle anybody Tori Craig's not big enough to guard him. Paul millsap get I think probably more chances than people might expect I think he's now become a little too slow for that match. Up I expect lebrons Avenue Lebron series like no more no less. I think he's going to have a good series. It is crazy to imagine the amount of pressure now, sitting on Lebron James Given everything we've discussed so far. What do you think is at stake for Lebron James in these finals. Well. He's thirty five. He's third all time in minutes played. Playoffs plus regular season. which makes what he's doing. Like, beyond absurd like. Alien it's just not of this universe. It's insane when he's done Disa- typical case for him as the greatest player of all time is going to be overwhelming. And The one statistic won't be overwhelming six in the finals which Jordan's record yet Lebron is three and whatever I don't even remember was made the final. So many times I've lost of how many loss. Four rings and ex trips to the finals with three different themes. Like. I grew up Michael George. You don't have to remind me what he did but I think you know with time and distance the way we perceive all these things changes and four rings. Plus chances are more. In you look at the stats that are going to be piled up to people who really care about this and fans do it starts to get really difficult to make like a you're a moron if you think this statement, right? Well in order for Braun, to win a title with his third different team. He's going to need to get help from his own wingman Anthony Davis and to recap for those who are not totally familiar I. This is the Farthest Anthony Davis has gotten into the postseason. He is the number to that Lebron. James has apparently always wanted by some accounts and I'm curious if you have strong opinion on that if he is the best number to Lebron has ever had. But here he is. Now in this moment facing Nikola Yokich, and how do you expect the Lakers to deploy a D. that matchup? If they start centers again, the Lakers started again you'll sample garden at the beginning of games but I expect when they had that matchup I aggressive like. Pick, and pop how many threes is GonNa make the nuggets are GonNa live with those threes can you shoot threes but like face off Nicole? Leo could she can't keep up with these first step like face up draw fouls get to the Rim I think he'd these ready for this is playing great. He's playing the best defense of his career and to your point I do think he's the best number to Lebron his overhead dwayne Wade year one may have been qualitatively a better player, but because their skills overlap so much I think ad Is. Better natural fit. So part of the upside of this fit in this series is whether a d really wants to play big whether he wants to play tall when he wants to play center I mean we just watched a d versus the small ball rockets who both have our own appreciation for. How much do you expect that like? A D is going to play like a big man. Well, Franco, who can remove the choice for him by just not playing centers very much as he did in the last round I think the playoffs is so different than the regular season and I think the way that defense is gear up in the playoffs in throw more bodies at your best guys I think it makes it harder to play lineups that just don't have a lot of shooting and even more than what? Houston's offense was presenting them in the last round. I think Houston's defense made it so that the Lakers had to loosen up the floor a little bit in Denver is not as good. A defensive team. The rockets were before they completely fell on their faces in that series but they're smart in I think just things get easier when there's no extra body by the basket. So I think he's going to have to play. No matter what the matchup is, the competition gets better and smarter in harbor playing I think he's going to have to play a decent amount of center. It would feel like I mean there's so much pressure on these lakers, it would feel kind of. Perfect and also absurd if this series ended up being decided by like a bunch of minutes played by Dwight Howard because Anthony Davis maybe didn't feel like he wanted to play twenty to thirty minutes at center. Well, you know it's funny. was watching film of Yokich like an hour ago. Dwight looks twice the only one who's got the heft to to guard him in the post without getting into the restricted area. I, think there's going to be minutes for Dwight. In this series. We'll see what happens in those minutes but I think frank can give them a chance. Yeah. I feel by the way I feel like I just ensured. That Dwight Howard happens to be an espn daily listener and by the way Dwight Howard. If you're out there subscribe unsubscribe subscribe unsubscribe subscri- subscribers inscribed on Capri subscribed on subscriber subscribe rate and review I feel like I just found a way to get called out at the podium you don't want that was then. We'll see. Maybe here's a listener. They got a lot of spare time builder. Zach Lowe. Thank you. For speaking your truth on ESPN. Daily. Always glad to be your bottle. Coming. Bruce Arians fancies himself the quarterback whisperer. So why are is criticisms of Tom Brady so loud. Did you know that there's a bike shortage around the world right now because more people are seeking socially distant modes of transportation chances are you'll sharing the city streets with more cyclists the Volvo xc forty SUV is made to help protect people in and around the car with detection technology keeping an eye out using high-tech cameras and sensors and can automatically apply the brakes to help avoid a collision. The xy forty for everyone's safety visit Volvo, cars, dot com slash us to learn more. Here's another story I want you to know. buccaneers coach. Bruce. Arians is the author of a book called. The quarterback whisperer. It advertises his quote uncanny ability both personally connect with his quarterbacks and to locate what the individual triggers are for that player to succeed. But after a career spent connecting with Peyton Manning and Ben Rothlisberger and Andrew Luck. Many are wondering if the whisperer is individually triggering his new quarterback. Tom Brady. In a different way. Here's what Arians had to say about those two interceptions that Brady threw in Sunday's eleven point loss to the saints. A one was miscommunication return here. Mike and he thought Mike was going down the middle the different covers might read it right. He should have ben across his face but Tom. Overthrew the other one was A. It was a screen pass with an outlet called and he threw the outlet nit-pick sex ED says. All that bluntness led to a noted authority on QB. Ego to weigh in. Here, was Brett Farr on the Sirius Xm blitz with Brett Farve and Bruce Murray of the last person you want to call out after the first game of the year is Tom Brady. Now, maybe they had a mutual. Truce going into the game going into the season. Hey. Don't be hard on you. I want the guys to know that we're gonNA treat you the same even though technically I'm not. So you okay. With it if they'd have truths right if not. I think you barking thrown tree. But I think farve actually has it wrong here. I don't think this is a mutual truce. Some bit of prearranged. Criticism Theater. What I'm realizing instead. Is that the quarterback whisperer might actually just be the quarterback pickup artist. Here be out here. Those post comments from areas are also what's known in the incredibly creepy world of pickup artistry. As a neg- short for negative comment. It's one that creates insecurity in signals just how unimpressed you are and thereby motivates your target. To try and impress you. Add in the fact that Aryans loves colorful and conspicuous sunglasses and hats, which is another established technique that p ways called peacocking. A