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Why You Always Lyon?

The Brilliant Idiots

1:50:58 hr | 2 years ago

Why You Always Lyon?

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Now, everywhere you buy books church. Do man San Diego this weekend. Make sure you go get them takes a couple of shows are sold out. But the couple shows left until four shows Friday, Saturday, San Diego and then. At lay the twenty eighth vs sold-out second show. I think we got like twenty tickets left. That's when I'm recording this now on Wednesday. So go on there's two shows. There's some weird thing where if you Google my name and only shows that I show says sold out, but there two shows go to the angels dot com, and there's a link for the t the show that still has some tickets available. And then of course, March third through that thirtieth views from the sys- every Sunday on YouTube dot com size. The shells can't fucking way to show you guys this every Sunday new part of the specialist drop in and then every Thursday in March on YouTube dot com slash data show. It's a new part of the tour documentary is is dropping as well. So I'm dropping a whole San special and a whole tour documentary is going to be wild, man. So I can't wait for y'all to see it. But let's get started. Let's start to show if you hurt us before in a bantering we've talking about Anthony Joshua Anthony Joshua on the breakfast club this week. Anthony, Joshua is one of the heavyweight champions of the world. Yes, he has. Four belts who knows anymore. I'm pretty four belts. I've forgotten what the anti I think the got two three dot has WBZ. So I think yes. So in order for him. He has yes, I think Joshua has oughta belts. But while they had the WBZ. So in order to be the undisputed unified champion. He would have to have all like Infinity stones basically. Exactly. Yeah. And gosh, I think you would call the lineal. Thank you lineal is that when you have multiple belts. Or maybe Lynn when you didn't lose the title. I thought when you didn't lose the championship appearing lineal champ because he never lost in the ring. It was taken away from him or. Okay. Okay. Fucking. No, all I know that Josh was big deal. He gets hundreds of millions of dollars to fight twenty million dollars to fight from shit like that had a bunch of security, but we were talking about the fact that he said he was thought what I'm saying? And he was like all men have a little in them. No not anymore. I'm a problem but blackmail community him twenty nine years old testosterone level much higher than my you know, what I'm saying single. Right. You know what I'm saying? I'm sure he's still out here. Smashing everything. And he has every right to. Yeah. Not mad at that. At all. But he wanted you to know I forgot how even got on the conversation to be on. He was telling me about this woman that he had is on at the rock nation brunch. He wasn't atom brench somebody sent them a picture of so model, and he was trying to figure out who the Ma. Model was right? Yes. So he's one he's still on the prowl. Like what if Anthony Joshua is hitting on your girl at a party, you gotta stepped on? And how would you step to him? Exactly you step to them like motherfucker who to fuck you. Thank you playing with. Okay. My height don't fight and my gun goes bam. Okay. We'll have a gun you gotta flex like. And we don't know hear from you now. But what if he's like? Okay. Shoot me. I'm like, all right. Wait right here. You come take the girl, which you say you stay right here. And see what happens if you keep standing there? Right. He was doing his knuckles will bloody to still understand. Why? No, he's probably punching bags men. Yeah. But your knuckle still bloody fresh who knows? I mean you punches with power. I don't I don't know if he wasn't using wraps. I know maybe push it out of him yesterday. He did push them. But then Anthony Joshua was not fazed at all pretty impressed with all like what that push. It was too much. But we talking about now, it's the exact thing you've got to true. Like if you can't this. Why respect my boy Israel Sonia? You know, your style bender. Oh, yes. He may guy and he's going to have a title fight coming up against gasoline. Yeah. He's going to have another title fight coming up Felker Kelly Gasol them, but or the first one coming up, and what I respected about his promo is his promo was just all about him. Right. He didn't use the the classic which is very effective. But some might say low hanging fruit the Conor McGregor way. Which is like all right. I'm just gonna call you all these names, and we're gonna create beef, and is gonna be what it is do like is he in the pre workout. He coy. Graf shit. He's doing wrestling moves throwing a people's elbow. He's just having fun in there. You know? And I think what what people people were essentially drawn to that. Like, I just want to watch this guy. He looks like a fun figure what the fuck is going to happen. I never can predict what's going to happen cetera. And I think you can do that in boxing. You just need to be a star to do it. You know, what do you mean you can do in boxing? But you gotta do. It's going to fuck somebody up. Oh, you need to be a star you need to be true Roan of star. Well, he ain't fucking nobody. And to be honest. Adrian Casella fight just on him. That's a great example. Adrian can sell a fight on his own antics. Nobody gave a fuck what he said to Manny. Yeah. But that's it. Whereas out when you win when you can still hear you'll think we're gonna Watch Asia fight. Again. We should just watch Adria fight non boxer one more. We should Watch Asia for rappers that should be the new thing career just rappers that talk a lot of shit. Adrian Brunner fifty six minded up knife. Fifty fifty big fifty washing. Ages and professional fighter if you're Washington fifty was people gifted with golden glove. Yeah. But there's a difference between being you know. There's one out of box a little body shot you going. Yeah. If fit going down from that. Now. Maybe fifty just beat up any regular, dude. Of course, he's got that experience. But that's the fight that I would see like Logan Paul this like youtuber fought another youtuber, and they made more money than ninety percent of boxers or enemy fighters making the ring because we care about the hype. Yeah. But you just have to not about even and on the flip side with somebody like Anthony, Joshua big baby pushing the shit out Anthony, Joshua, Anthony Joshua's, all calm, cool super calm. That's great. If you go in there and knock him the fuck out on you. I you gotta be vicious in the ring on this. What you aren't on this promo shit. Be gotta be in the ring, bro. You gotta be 'cause Adrian is. So Adrian Brodie is so extra everywhere else in you holding his hands. You know what I'm saying? That's it's like, where's the energy or that into? You don't have the energy when you're not in the rain. You ask you when you in the ring right Anthony's. What has to knock told me that you have to knock out babe? And what he said of that. You're absolutely right. You can't go. Go decision will be. Maybe we all we're looking at you like this. Who say he is? And is your first white in America. This is America, Jack. Right. I didn't even realize it was his first fight America. That's ready to go out in like, John. Where do you click on? I think the first one Germany the UK. Maybe I don't fucking o two arena eighty thousand people hundred thousand people it's insane best boxing fans in the world. Well, Mexican too, but like unbelievable boxing fans out there arena, Mexico. They do they've got soccer stadium, bro. You're right to as to say. Well, I'm gonna build a boxing arena right across the border. Put the boxing arena, having a boxing arena the fucking wall. 'cause you need ause when arena, right? So you build you build his big as wall, no entrances. This is the wall but attached to it as a boxing arena, come on. Now that's kinda hot if Mexicans were really into 'em. You just pulled a cage come on his cage around out of wall. That what you guys love you. He gets here. Komo and I'm just saying ways around this thing, we're not thinking, we're not multitasking here house, all I'm saying. But are you going to interview Miller? Oh, no. They keep asking my guy who trained me is his strength and conditioning. Coach great, dude. And. And yeah, he thinks that I mean, obviously, he's biased. But he thinks he's gotta shoddy Josh way. Thanks. Josh was an overrated boxer and Miller confide. It's just got soft hands. But he could fight. I have been saying I think Anthony Joshua overrated for a long time. And it looked at me like, I'm crazy, right? I don't think and I told him that today. I don't think you could be Louis teeth. I don't think you're gonna be tightened feared. And I don't think you could be well, this is my personal. There's a reason he's going up there against bay big baby. 'cause they trying to continue to grow to brand of Anthony, Josh, absolutely. And it's and it's a good is a good opponent of grow the brand. Because even if baby locks in fucking rocks. You he doesn't have the one punch concussed of power, and and big baby talk so much shit. Like you said, it's a great sparring partner. Great smart, and he talks as shit is. So it's like when you go in there, and you beat him. Yeah. It looks like you really beat somebody. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we don't know Anthony Joshua in America like that. Yeah. Massive superstar in. Yeah. Yeah. You don't want your own into the breakfast club security like like the fucking president today. Like. He looks like a star girls. Love him girls. He's one of those people when they introduced to him. They fall in love with really. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What'd you think two teeth? Hello there. Tella can get enough really tailor your enter dreamy tizzy tree me. He's really well. I don't know. What kind of British accent? I don't even know how this guy talks eat British deep British. Yeah. Yeah. He's crazy. Trying to say American sling dot us what the Bonn. Haunt. I'll tell you. Why? Are you fucking Hannah Montana hand to my heart is? How hot he was saying? Yeah. He put he was like, you know, you put down keep you down. What keep you down keep you down? I don't know what you're saying. You're nuts down. I understood that. I still like see me. Let you nuts. Hang. Yeah. What was he saying tell Hank his head straight? That's what he's saying. Keep your heads creek you nut downs. I guess, you know, they say, oh, you're fucking nut. So he's like keep you nut down. The more. You said does it make more sense or less sense because I'm more confused? More of you said it made sense when he's get what he was trying to keep your keep your head down. Stay focused. Don't be nut. Don't be enough to internet inside of you from fucking surfacing and ruining your life base. Right. Keep nut down. I don't know either way June first him and big baby. Mill fighting at MSG MSG zone. We went to dissolve. Guy was fought some. A lot of eight million dollars in four eight million. Would you do it to get knocked out there for her? Nadi shot not gonna I'm not talking about a head show. Now, Mattel like I gotta fight. I'm gonna get knocked out anyway, but I'm gonna fight. I'm not gonna just go in there and Kerr, you know, what I'm saying. You're going to get more hurt. If you try to you know, what I'm saying? The head. Keep. Keep my fucking down. I still won't get hit Ned going to take a body shot or two, but I'm not gonna just you're not going. Let you beat me. I wanna fight. Right. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna anyway. Yeah. So let me fight. Yeah. So yeah. Eight million. Have you ever been knocked down knocked out. None of not to ever been caught. Like good punch to the face stunned. Yes. Puerto call me a few now. Tap new. I saw you she'd hurt I. But you've never been like somebody. Dan. Just really, yeah. I guess real. I had that experience. Yeah. I can take a point. You see my can I get a draw video now he's gonna missed from behind. Yeah. You're the real black Neil. Nobody got that. I mean, listen, it's gonna be a good fight. Not really Anthony Johnson sale beat them in eight rounds. I on over the last that low say, man, you know, Miller's sneaky you see sneaky. He's sneaky, man. He's a sneaky fighter. Really? Yeah. He's good. Good fighter. No bullshit. Those a lot of punches. He don't hit hard enough. He doesn't are enough. But the issue is is can Joshua hit him. And then when he does can big baby handle the punch. Josh will definitely hit big. Maybe I don't think maybe quicken of thing. I will give Josh. Well, he's very athletic inquiry agile with you know, what I'm saying like in really good shape. He's one of those guys that like he was an athlete before he was a boxer. And they're like, what are we going to do with this guy actually a street? Well, sure, but he was born and athlete today. Just using natural born some guys like fines Antonio gates, the tight end for the charges. He was he played basketball in college. And then he found football. Joshua found boxing pretty late. Yeah. He started late because he was trying to the street from what he told us today. Right hustle. Yeah. You so TV's all of that shit. Whatever you need. He gets you really. He was always the guy that knew how to get to the plug. Now's who he was. Interesting to man. I mean, it's interesting. I like anybody that has achieved massive levels of success, contrary to a lot of Americans popular believe there's people outside of this country who have successfully success. There's no boxer in America right now. Yeah. That especially in American box that has the level of stardom. He had a box as a boxer in the UK. Yeah. Yeah. It's not because he's cute. It helps it doesn't. It brings looking good brings the chicks in like Oscar de LA Hoya his fights used to be like, I mean, backstreet boy concerts, there was chicks everywhere. I know everything we wanted those chicks aged terribly. But it might have aged terribly. Why do you say that? I don't know not talking. Just running my mouth. Not used to they Loyd still love him. Now, you have to fight. What else walked in at the Connecticut? Fight for doubt. Everybody's stood up. I'm like fuck as welcome in freaked out. God goddamn Oscar de LA Hoya who got some ads. He let's go back to the priroda before that before you go that. Okay. Talking about paying bills, right? You could possibly have an amazing debt to pay. Okay. Not true. Listen, listen, you don't know what I'm talking about. Nobody knows what I'm talking about sixty nine different things. I could be talking about right now. There's no possible way that you could just it. So so everybody taking his so literal, literally, listen know this girl was like you'd Nath. Took for what you say worried about the petition you see the video MB would plan, but the girl don't you dare change the subject. P p p I went one one it was a girl doing video. She was like don't think that we forgot Charlemagne you creepy nasty motherfucker for no reason at all you send us won't suck six nine steak. And don't think that we forgot that you suck six day users remind me about that right now. I did not know that we're talking about it. I forgot about that. Thanks, very that up. So there was a bed, and you said if six nine avoids jail time, you'll suck his dick that was not a literal bed. What what was it? That's like biggie. San fuck rupaul before fuck ugly after scape girls. Now. Here's fuck rupaul. Here's a question. How and big no better example, when being days you, look so good. I suck on your daddy's. Dick, a really good. I look so good. You suck on your firm models. Pena sacral doesn't our dad second of all escape. Did. He fuck any those girls. I don't know. Well, if he didn't he folk Rupo, no, he didn't if you fuck one of those girls that means he fuck rupaul. I oh, he said I would fuck Rupe? Hall four fucked when they ask into. So that means if he sucked in scape bitch. He had fucked rupaul, I it's not calling bitches 'cause they're still alive and one of his wife. Oh my goodness. Want that smoke? I am so sorry, Mr.. One rapid. I will read up on you. That is true. It is definitely. I welcome it. I will catch that lawsuit. Very quickly. He don't care. You think this guy swung on Floyd Mayweather here? But Floyd doesn't gain anything by suing TI is doesn't matter. Don't gain anything. We're gonna make what twenty security. But he could not come out. Good. They both small, but. It's a risky thing. I went to TI's trap music museum. I've invested in his career. In fact, you sucking Diak taking this literally say again breath about why would you think a bedroom honor? I'm not Andy from the fucking fire festival baby. You are Charlotte. No. Maybe you got. No. And let Furthermore, what makes you think? The causes beaten his case. Sorry, what you think he'd be in this case, I knew my understanding is that he could avoid jail time as long as he cooperates. No, we can get into that conversation next. That's not true though. What is it? What's happening? This is the problem. We could talk about this. We talk about this all the time. Right. He's baby, mama. Does one interview with Latina the baby mama reads paperwork. Vlad TV says his baby, mama. What does that mean? To you. Mom says well, I mean, he's cooperate. So he's not gonna get no jail time. Next thing, you know, every fucking headline on every hip. Hop website. Right. If the cautious six nine is going to avoid jail time when you actually read the plea deal with the plea deal says he had a maximum of life, right? A minimum of forty seven. The prosecutors said well, we're going to do is ask that he gets less than the minimum sentence. So that could be anything from the teens are a lot less Ardy. I'm on the record saying he'll probably get Bobby smarter. Got seven to cash you probably get seven to ten really said that already. But nobody reads K they want me to suck dick so bad. Just like, hey, you gotta suck dick. He's going to be this case. Furthermore, snitching beaten the case. See that's. That's where I got a little if you would think because my understanding was you said that if he beats it, then you suck his dick beating is beating is beating the lawyers. He wins. He wins the project like we don't have no evidence to convict him, whatever. Whatever lawyers whatever they do. That'd be snitching aim beaten Berber. But then I was told and we have to go back and check the tapes. But then I was so you said if he avoids jail time, then don't even talk like that. That's that's real legal jargon, fine. What would what would he have to do for you to suck his dick nothing? Really? That's pretty easy. I'll be like that nothing. Here. This. Warrior money. What I made that. There's nothing conduct is nothing. That would make me suck his I'm not sucking dig start taking dick sucking. So literally God damn. Big used the Caraba about sucking dick like it was nothing. But you you'll even say the podcast that if you invite another man to your mouth, then that's a fight. I didn't say I want him to suck. My dick is first of all, okay. What's the fish is? You're doing you to question of the day. No inside joke shape inside jokes a joke. Yeah. Okay. Here's my creation of a jolt. To deny walks around all the time telling people suck dick suck my dick. Right. So I go I'm so confident that he's not going to beat this case. Hey, man, Takashi beats this case how suck his dick. Yeah. We can work on the bit. No. It's a dick, you know. No, anybody to take that literally. Listen, literally, my agreement once said, no, one cares about the truth. When day. Is one day like this laws at his solely? So many meet its memes of me like this going. Listening to myself thing. The case. I'm like what the fuck is going on. Just one headline saying for no good apparent reason. Salamone said if Takashi beaches case, he'll suck his dick. He's talking to window book era too. We live in did. You learn anything from this experience DM exit all you can step into before. My dick was he being literal? We don't know. Do not know what they wasn't being literal. Who are they Solomon muzzle? You were just being metaphorical. I thought I was. Yeah. I thought I would put together two scenarios Koch is always running around saying suck my dick, dick. So I said if he beats his case also, I didn't think it was going to something that motherfucker. This one guy my Deums all he does keep sending me yo Shaw about the show us what that list too. Funniest about it. If this was said months ago. Dupay said months ago right now big about the area, we live we live in ADD era. Motherfucking forget shit like that. Now when it comes to me. Make me God damn it like, Nope. No. This big. All if the Graham comic six nine in rainbow. Six nine rainbows a plants would like to spit emoji. Oh, man. Opie? God day we have to mitt. It would be hilarious. If what he does get out. You greet him. I just him walking down those those years. I never something dick in my life yet. Okay. No. I mean yet. No. You haven't yet? Never. But we don't know. It is never right. Never talked to take. But I don't know we happened. I don't know. What might happen? I don't know. What might happen? They won't be recreation. This not for recreation. This is for your word. Nah. Fuck my word. Fuck about work. Say all the men has his word his ball's. Not another my mouth. Okay. Nobody else's balls will be my mouth because of my fucking words right here. Only dig I've ever tried to sucks ball really everyman's tried to stop growing. Did. They know. That's true. That's why he's telling Yellen. Thank you. If guys try. Yeah. Of course, that's why I'm surprised like dogs. Learn tricks because. You know, what maybe try to suck my own. Would you learn anything when I heard about Marilyn Manson getting his ribs? So he could sell his what? Yeah. You can't suck you dig. And you could know I've tried. Okay. Okay. Gotta have a huge cocktail. You gotta have big dick and flexibility. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I never could try. I've tried. Yeah. How close can you get you just Hacaloglu be on the tip of it? Ain't even like. What why can't you suck you on 'cause we wouldn't do shit? We got nation to build Walsum ache. It's not the same thing math. It's not a wild level of math g that's that is not the same as masturbating mostly. We gotta give something, you know, for women to do better than us. What do you mean? Like, if we could suck our Dicks, then it would really ruin the blow job experience from a woman because you couldn't do everything that a woman could do. But do you like when a girl just jerks you off? No. Of course, not it depends, though, I had a girlfriend once who was a virgin she did not want to live virginity. She used to give me hand jobs, and at the time those hand jobs were incredible right only because I didn't have any other option what I'm saying. So just getting something from her with incredible to I understand it's like the rice that they drop on countries with no food. It's like, this is awesome. Say exactly an American someone's dropping rice on your front lawn. You're like I'm good on the right hand ended. It depends on your own dick. I mean like fucking go ham on it. It was easy. No flexibility. No girls gonna be able to compete with that. She doesn't have a dicta- practice on because it's just like masturbating, but you still want you still want actual vagina. How many girls are wacky giving head and they get to do all the time. 'cause 'cause masturbation is not like you're jerking off as a substitution for China. Correct. It's not like you're feeding a hand job. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So I if you do it yourself. Some watching a beautiful woman down there with our heads. You know, going down our bag understood stand. Understand. I understand that. But like, do you feel that you wouldn't say that same thing about jerking off? Right. When a girl's whacking you off. You wouldn't be on something about a girl just with their hair going down to the wacko. Do when a girls me off is just awful. I liked to jerk during a blow job. I'm actually thinking about a just just she's jerking off. And you're just staying. It's just weird. You like looking at each at like, oh, not not not only. My jobs, you lay on the bed sit on the bed and they just off naked. You know, Atari that exact fit treat my penis. Joystick guy. Driving a car. Yeah. You're driving stickshift. That's staff. Sexy. Yeah. You know, what I'm saying low head in between now head into it. You can't Aranda right? You're right. It's just a hand job. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just an odd experience. Listen man, Tristan Thompson, bro. My god. I don't know what the fuck is up with Tristan Thompson. And I don't know why Tristan Thompson continues to engage in pedia PDI public displays. Yeah. Let me tell you tall motherfucker something. Right. Some of y'all just to be motherfucking cheating publicly. If you're over further of your black man that's over six five every room you walk in somebody's looking at you saying who the fuck does. He play. Say a promise you a lot of people. You're just that. Lebron got there's going to name. The I read that. Kevin durant? It's going to name the first tall plague and think of right, this motherfucker Tristan Thompson be all out in front of people cheating. Can you? Explain the story of what happened because I just I don't know where he is gonna allegedly Tristan. Thompson was a out to in the morning. He met some woman. The woman yell at him. You cheat? Nass nigger threw bleach on them. Put a noose around his neck. Fucking some assumption. I don't know what the. I'm not sure what the fucking stores. I think that was the story that right girl, flew back to Nigeria girl, flew back tonight. Remember the white girl? But it ended up being a Nigerian. This happens describes white girl. Get computer year, though, all the time. It's like. What was she had house party? And you have a story. I forget tell us. So he had he had a house party. It was he threw the party and he cheated at his own party fucking spotted at a party over the weekend. Snuggled up with Jordan would never heard of her. God bless Jordan woods is kylie's best friend and Tristan was caught cheating on khloe with Jordan would so him in Jordan was allegedly all hugged up at this party in Jordan, kylie's best friend. This is weird. Because. Look, some people cheat some people dot whatever it doesn't matter. This is like the most disrespectful you can be with cheating now people can say there's no levels to cheating, but there are levels of cheating. Yes. If you cheat in a foreign country. Nobody fucking knows that ever happened. You're not disrespecting your wife. Nothing's happening publicly. It's not about eating about getting caught fat nosy card the car. You're getting caught is what causes the pain hurt. You know what I'm saying? Getting caught it was disrespectful. Absolutely disrespect call and boom, and like and just put it out there, like even with girls like girls are at a bachelorette party, right and the male strippers over there. And you guys are like, you know, plant stupid games slap at his dick this that the other like that. Like, look, I'm not saying that I want my wife to do it. But it's long as on your friends are taken videos and put it on Snapchat and Instagram. It's like, I don't know that happened out of my mind. What is your dick in her mouth? Can't don't put. This guy's dick in your. And it's also you're doing it for sport. You know, like if you're gonna put a dick in your mouth like at least really want that dick in your mouth. Don't do it like because your friends are going put us. Honor a better. Some would you say nothing. What is? A what the honor a bit? What if sucking to suck? Mark man, having teguchi. Yeah. Shelter monique. But nothing is this. I don't I don't I just want to. And I understand he's only twenty seven twenty seven years old moti millionaire. That's long enough. They burrow sorry, bro. You've been fucking a lot of girls since you're nineteen years old. But the thing is it's like yo- you and khloe clearly aren't together. Like, you're you're you're really acting like that union at UN khloe have is literally to Cleveland Cavaliers like fourteen in the Eastern Conference. Right. You have no chance to make the playoffs far from championship you out here losing motherfucking games in order to get a good draft pick. You know, what I'm saying that you need to do is let it's just wave. He's tanking the mirror. That's it coin waves you taking the fucking union khloe waves you now you can go be a free agent, and motherfucking caught a bunch of bunch of different suitors until you find a team that you want to commit a good point. Maybe did on purpose. I it almost seems like he right? It seems like it scripted by the Kardashians in always always always something on. In the inner circle. It's like, yo we're going to break up. We need to get some content out of this khloe might did. It might say Jordan do can on his lap kiss him a little bit you part of the family. You part of the click, and you know, what you don't have to be. We could get you out of here. Only reason you had anything because you're friends with homegirl. Right. And so we get you out of here. Immediately do is floor with my husband give me excuse to break up with him where I don't look like a piece of shit right before when when each heated, but I decided to stay at now. I realize I want nothing. Do Florida's ass make him make me look stupid. So I looked like this hero. I look like this empowered feminist who's kicking cheating boyfriend or husband to decide. He looks like a bomb. Now, we're often racist. Why it could be I mean, that's just brilliant idiots conspiracy theory. We don't let that actually the eighth. You know what I'm saying? But it almost sounds too good to be motherfucking true. It's too interest in you got to be smart said he told everybody put his foot and put their phones away bra Cadeau, Matt if the phones away or not that's your sister's best friend is going to go around. Yeah. People gonna talk. Yeah. Like, the conversation is worse than the actual video gonna leave that video either caught red handed it you could say this bullshit look. Motherfucking business touch girl. You know what? I mean. Why would I ever do something like that? Now that there's no video has everybody's worried. Yes, your right now what? What he should've said he should've said the Jordan Jordan woods gotten his lab and said, hey, this maga- country. Yes. Hey, this is back. You'll make out with me. I had to Burberry hoodie all with the noose around my neck. This is so crazy about this is like. All of these brands, I did a little research into these fashion. Brands, all these brands are owned by the same fashion houses, only to write these four. I think it's four or three three or four right? And it's like, these fashion houses are are similar Viacom with TV. Like, Viacom owns MTV VH one BT a bunch of different channels. Right. So like, there's a fashion house that owns I'm gonna get this wrong. But for example, one factor Burberry, Louis Vitton, Montclair all these different brands within it. Right. And. If all these brands keep putting out shit that's offensive to black people. Right. And it gets more and more offensive. Clearly, I think there's a message. They're trying to sing looses wild been news. Like, look if you are there any mistake about this Blackfish shot watch this hold my beer for. We don't look too. Literally, it's like the fashion houses had a meeting, and they were like, okay. How can we get black people to stop wearing our shit? Those monkeys on it right years back though. So monkeys on it, you see the Montclair jacket. Right. You see the even H M shit, which at first I defend agent was a little I don't think that was I didn't think I think so either m still might not be the shirt it was the kid. They had to black kid wearing it say, but coolers, monkey what I'm saying is like it starts out there subtle and a high in rainy, it's not it's not who knows. But who knows who knows right? But like the, and I'm not I don't try to feed into this like internet paranoia shit. But eventually get so blatantly obvious. I think there's a message here. Right. You go into that you, okay? There's the monkeys hanging off the bags. It was canal or Gucci or some shit like that. Right. So it's like, okay. Maybe we put monkeys on the bags, right? They're not going to buy a bag because what black person's gonna walk around with a little monkey figure. That's maybe that's their thinking people so buying the bags fuck. All right. Well, what are we to do next? Okay. Let's put the Sambo character. Let's put a Sambo character on inside a jacket. Still check g. Fucking christ. Okay. Let's just do black face on a turtleneck a turtleneck like the turtleneck is thousand dollars. And it's got a hole in the part. That's supposed to keep your neck warm. Why the fuck would anybody even by that? Functionally. Go idea makes no fucking sense. Right. Like, would you buy a hat, the keep your head home? They had a fucking whole lot of by the way, it's not a turtleneck. If it goes over your mouth, exactly his past your neck already. It's just so stupid here. So eventually, you gotta look at the fashion houses and be like is there? A clear message that they're trying to say, which is hey, we're trying to who's buying the majority of their shit. Now, you could take me you. I mean, you've got lots of money. But like if I buy anything from a designer brand, it's the cheapest shit that they got I don't even wait you don't. But like, for example, like I got I got a burglary wall that I got years ago. It's fucking falling apart. It's broken, right? But I can buy I can afford to buy this because it's like, okay. Maybe the three hundred dollars per last me three or four years. Okay. That's the type of shit that we're buying right? When we buy some Gucci shoes or Roussy sneakers, it's cheap. And we can stretch those out for years. They're not worried about someone could stretch it out for years. They're selling to people the ideal client is some. Who by seasonally by Gucci spring shit? Then they by the summer, then by the fall, then by the winter, that's where they're making their money. You know, the clothes are a loss leader. I keep telling ya elegant money off close as well awfully but they're allowed to do it as a loss leader is long as the right people wear those clothes, right? It's just like, for example, like loss leaders is a is a is a when you have a store and Fifth Avenue, right? You're allowed to lose money on your store and Fifth Avenue because it looks good for the brand the your stores on Fifth Avenue, right? You're allowed to lose money on Gucci's clothing. If the handbags do great, the fragrance degree and fucked handbags the phrase if the right people are wearing the clothing exactly three of Monaco is where Nucci, but I got a feeling that the Princess of Monaco is looking at soldier boy wearing the exact same backpack. And she's like, I don't really wanna wear that back anymore. The whole point of wearing these clothes is exclusivity. The entire thing about it is I'm gonna wear something that people poorer than me cannot wear. Right. That's the whole thing when you put on Gucci. You're saying I'm Richard in you. And if the perception is people that they're trying to look better than you. And I don't give a fuck, but they clearly care. So if the perception is the people that you're trying to look better, then you're Prentice classier than you're trying to Richard. In are also wearing your clothes the same clothes as you. You're like I wear initiates. I'm keep on Jordan's. Deanna delivery, come to my apartment. We're wearing the same Jordan's. I was like I don't know if I could wear value in it. Everybody can't get it. You know what I'm saying? If the class thing, that's all it really boiled down to all of these clothes are examples of classism. Now, you got some of who live in section eight apartment, and they got Gucci everyday out. You know, it makes them feel like they're actually import completely get why someone. Eight would wanna wear it. I can see I've been there. I've been the guy with nothing, and then you have a nice jacket or something. And makes you feel a barrier Bates you, right? It's like steroids for yourself esteem walking around feeling cool in your burglary hat or some shit like that. I remember going through the fuck about nine ships kid. I did but it had insecurity. Yeah. I think I bought like three Gucci belts in my life. Literally, right. And that's eight right. But you understand what goes behind it? Right. Like, why someone would want to do it? I think you don't. But I think it's dumb is sure. But you understand why people do it because we all want except us. We don't want to feel like we got something. Like, what the reason why people buy these expensive as cars, and they don't have a house. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Fucking escalate in front of the project that they lease after Lou or some shit. Right. And so it's like. The brands I think are trying to make a statement in the most defensible way that they can the news is while the news his. If nothing like that's not even like sketchy. You know what I'm saying? That's not even like, you know, maybe no a fucking news, bro. It's plan. And it's actually great time. Because you've got Justice Malek saying that he could have a noose around his neck. It's on the hill. This mother fucking Gucci shit. Like, boom, I bet you don't even really exist. I bet you don't even really know. Crazy all the shit. We see on the runway doesn't exist. It's a concept thing like cars. I just learned this shit. I I had to get into what this was you'd never see it. I thought it outside runway interests like when you see those images of like the new Mercedes from the year twenty twenty three like, you're never gonna see that car. Like why why don't you understand the point of going to fucking runway shows if you're not even going to put these clothes out in real world? I guess they're just trying to flex. I don't know what it is. But that's even more blatant. If you're putting a noose on the Neckar a hoodie and establishing as part of your brands, but you're not even gonna put the hoodie out. Is this really oh released? A statement say what I don't think this. I think this is an internet joke a social media experiment from somebody who saw Justice shit latte. This is like to Winston it. It was it was surrounding Negga tie and the white girl had the baby hairs laid. It's like they're trying to send a message. And I thought somebody say like, you know, we're we're sorry to everybody who's ever committed suicide by when we look at. We don't think suicide. Yeah. Sorry. When we look at news is we think lynching black people hanging from trees in the south. Sorry, suicide might be second. You know what I'm saying? But when we see news, we have a specific thing that we think of it is not necessarily bad easier ways to commit suicide than making a noose. Fine arts and crafts shit like that you wrap it around. There's so you can do Veld shit. That's the belt. I would think everytime. I see somebody hanging from someplace about knows how to make a noose any more. That's all things that was back in the day. What opinions Gucci boat? That would be horrible mother fucking and Mitch I wouldn't want that promo. Would you? If Gucci mane does go out through suicide. No, not Gucci mane now. But if he does that's never happened. That's the only way he could do what you love yourself too, much say what? Yes, taylor. Trying say the apology. Oh, those real. Not I care. I don't really don't care. We've heard the same apology. Nautical theme was inspired by nautical theme with the like boats. I don't know that anytime. Got shit to do this people still wear. Remember fubu, right? The best fubu was by four us bias. Yes. It was a clear message who the brand was floor, and who the brand was by this Gucci's version of fubu. Yeah. You know, listen, the only thing that they could do better. Just put whites only fill somebody needs racist far beyond that high. But do you want a mother fucking compete with Virgil fuck off white get whites-only? Ooh, whites only only brand clothing. Shit would rep. The maga- people KKK that a whole mid west. I don't have a problem with my shirt right now. Black by popular demand. Black by popular to make somebody came out with a clothing line, coal whites-only. Right risk wrote a dice a bet you'd actually win like a motherfucker. We love to wear Hanes. And to be honest. Michael Jordan did have a Hitler. Why was there was the most clever marketing plan in the world? You get the story about to go out there with the Hitler stash K calm races. But then all the races look at it. Like, oh who would bring attention to the commercial X Y? And it's what everybody doesn't realize what all of this stuff. Whether it's to be black face, whether it's the blackberry news, whatever the fuck, it is everybody runs to these people's websites in that owners these things happen they run and they go Google Burberry Google Gucci. They go to look at these images in fuck around, and you get caught up on the website and sister ship that you like on the lone protest. This new ships got Danielle this fucking Burberry paint back. So. So either way too. He win don't understand what people are doing you eight doing to you right now this finding Neverland special. What are they doing defined the Netherlands comes out think March? They know that she is on the call. You know what I'm saying? They know these two guys sat on the motherfucking stand was under oath and said that Michael Jackson never did anything to them. Right. Don't care about ratings. It's about money. I had agent say to me verbatim. Right. Who is the next celebrity? We can find to do a surviving R Kelly style documentary business, they don't like this business about money. This is about rating this is about attention. They gonna put this in on. Everybody's gonna tweet about it for two days ago have to you have two types of people tweeting about it. Maybe three right? One type is going to be outraged dishes, even on right love. Michael jackson. You die hard for data people. They attacked us. Plenty of time. He has those people are going to be upset the dishes air, you're going to have the other people who totally believe it. Oh, I believe this should victims should have a right to speak yada, yada, yada. And then gonna have to other motherfucker who never knew anything about any of this. And they're just going to be like, wow, this is crazy shit either way. Guess who went? Yeah. H B O because they're getting is. And they're getting it all to draw in. They are feeding off y'all. Motherfucking outrage. Bro networks, these fashion houses, they're taking the news approach if it bleeds it leads right fearmongering like a motherfucker Ackley. So Fox News CNN. They're both doing the same thing. They're just playing on different sides of fear, and I guess HBO's looking at this story, and they're like, okay. Here's some money that can be made because there is value in the style. Ger- like these companies that don't stream. These companies that don't stream need to make moments. If you stream you don't need a moment. You know, you'll go watch you on Netflix. Whenever you get to. It you go watch the fire fest on ethics whenever you get to it. One time for Andy to blow job cage out to Andy, you know, what I mean? Sharla mandy. No, that's what they call. You. Gotta Andy where say again, you gotta handy and team who's that? Joshua. Yeah. Who is Andy his name's Andy, really? He said he's willing to suck. Dick to set that on air. Yes. He did on air. He was Caucasian yet. See what he wants? Ever wonder why people in the world? Two. We're not willing to do all the jobs that we don't. Job is dick sucker crew. It's called a blowjob. We are willing. Listen. But no, they're all doing defeating our read run. Yes. That's it. Nothing more nothing less thing. Yeah. Yeah. So so, and this is something that we've compliment to be t- several times on this broadcast. It's like taking these stories from the past that we're intimately involved in. And we wanna relive like, even when we went out and saw the big movie remember Torius, it's like, we see it because you know, we want to know what happened at the end. We know what happened at the end. Yeah. We want to relive part of our lives, and it's very hard to say that movie is trash I even though it kind of crazy because his biggie biggie like somebody handling you a pamphlet of Jesus industry never thought away. Have you ever had those twenty dollar? It's a fake twin dollar Bill folded on the ground. You open it up. And it's like welcome to our church. Oh, God you like. Wanna crinkle that should be put this part, exactly? Like, the movie wasn't that bad. It wasn't that bad. When you watch it on TV fair enough, but theater, but if that came on BT lighter popular, here's a question would the movie been as good if you couldn't hear any of the biggie songs? Nah. 'cause the biggest brings back in the right moment. It's like, and this is even with the FX the OJ shit. Right. We got caught up in the nostalgia. If I'm a network. I understand that the ship is sinking. But the way that you limit. How fast you sink right now is just playoff nostalgia. Everything that I would put out would be short form of vents. There will be six episode series eight episodes series, and they would take events from the past. If it was comedy. I take a comedy event for the fast if his drama, I take a drama them for the past. And I've just do them four times a year, maybe eight times a year on on the network, and that would be those would be my I'm with you on that. But that Michael Jackson should wag me as listen to call. I don't like that shit because it's like, oh, this these two people were under oath put it like this the same thing that probably made them lie under oath, if they're lying if they exactly they really did get touched by Michael and Michael paid-in. Often causing the lie under oath to same thing is causing causing them to do this special. Now, any baby, you know, one more LA. Once you accept money. That's what happened. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Once you accept money. Once you make that settlement. That's what happened. You're choosing your place in history. Absolutely, no, accept money after Louis. And then you go back, and I mean that for the Michael Jackson. I mean after stormy Daniels. I mean that for any why why why should I why why should we believe you fuck? You just move with money. Where does always government paid you once to say one thing? Now somebody's paying you again to say another thing, how do I know what's the truth Mudgee? How can I trust you? How could I trust you? I mean, listening America in shambles and a lot of ways. But that right there if you're not they were under. Oh, so what what are we supposed to believe in general about in life? If we're not believing where respecting the word of people who are under oath and are saying one thing while they're under over there. Saying is not true twenty later. How long the fuck it is what is there to believe in America hundred percent? And the only thing that makes me question that logic is people who let's say, they, you know, there are certain this happens. Sometimes women say that someone, you know, rape them or whatever. And then they come out later in the all, right? I didn't that didn't happen, right? Like was. I don't know exactly them knowing that does this or every right to it's a story. She back out, and she say that that didn't. Yeah. She just said there is it's another story doing a movie of about the the football player playing playing. Remember his name? Something would be what you the football players the scholarship the US. All right, Frank, right. It'd be really good like four years or something. Like that girl. A young lady she was raped by him. I think he'd be like seven years in jail or something like that. Yeah. Came home into the plan for the Atlanta Falcons. But then later on the woman said that the rape never happened. Whenever happened now at seven years of my life, wasn't they Brian banks banks. So here's so here's the question. It's like we want to believe that because it's truth. But and now we're kind of going against what we were just arguing before. Right. But the difference. I would say is this. She didn't get a settlement to say that. No. I'm just talking about settlement you go in and you testify and then later come out and be like, I lied. I fucked up that was wrong you have to free that. And it's a man absolutely go under oath. But if you go in and you settle right? You say I accept money for this to be the truth. You just got paid for your truth. You got paid for how history is going to be. And that's how the fuck is going to be like, yeah. We've we've we've. Threatened to impeach presidents because of potential perjury. Now, we got to people who actually committed perjury, and they get a fucking HBO documentary, bro. S U bar dangerous. I'm saying it's to be honest is bad for the brand. I mean, not really I think it's bad for HBO. I get what you're saying. But nobody's gonna care Schultz in in a time right now where like brand. Nobody will care. I'm back. Right. Boycotters. HBO could put that new sweater. And we sometimes it'd be nice and snow. It's cold out. Got Nathan them. No, no HBO. No. You're watching game zone. The only one coming do whatever the fuck. They wanted to do right now they got that new season game. Thrones one hundred hundred dollars. April. See what I'm saying? Why are you doing? I think my my special coming out of March. Time to promote an April. They know what they they know they're doing. Neverland's much. You'll get a lot of backlash and boycotts HBO. And then when it comes in. And then what? I want to do a social experiment. Oh right before game. It does come back to see if there's something we can do to make people like me. You might have the perfect thing. I feel good to me having. But what's happening with the show? Can we talk about that? This is not happening creative differences this creative different. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And you respect that you made the decision to settle with that. And you live with that. I have no reason to be upset. I mean, I could be I could be upset about the missed opportunity, but I'm the type person like okay door closes another one opens. I mean, I know that's your sounds cliche. But if the truth not saying like something's just just not meant for me. It was supposed to be a interview special on HBO one a one on one interview with a different person every quarter. Yes, it's not happening. Yeah. I'm doing that. Same interview show somewhere else. You know, what I'm saying to maybe that's the right place where I couldn't outs that now. But I won't oh announced it, oh, we've already signed on. Komo message me. This is me. I heard the first interviews with Takashi six, no. No will be. Behind. Right now, I'm already I've already signed on to do the one on one interview special somewhere else, and you know, me and HBO is not doing this show because of creative differences, but that's that's cool. There's no, permanent, friends and enemies when it comes to business. You know, what I'm saying HBO? They did listen not mad at him. And you're still going to do what you have to do. I'm just saying like now except for when it comes to Kasi six nine. Well, we don't know about that yet. No, not he might come out. Looking like Gucci Gucci got remember how good shape Gucci was in when he got out of jail not inter fucking his game. But what if Takashi gets that body real slim? He gets them abs-. How you know what? I mean. Okay. Why? Okay. Come on, bro. Listen, speaking of premium cable cable cable. He's speaking Mexican accents. 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But I remember being in Paul Ritchie's office guy. Paul Ritchie in poverty is like yo, you know, these marrow and like I think I've heard these marrow. I'm not I'm not too. Sure, I've heard that name someone he was like, these guys are hilarious. And then Paul would bring it on. This whole troll that deal where everybody thought this was some white. Despic- language like the N word and all that. So it was just like became his big thing. And then he was like I want to bring them in man. He reminds me they remind me like you and do all when you always younger, and this yada, yada, yada. I'm like. Like, I remember them in coming. I think did they do the complex. I think they had the complex show for they did a complex show, and I remember mom shopping interview. But. Long story short. They bought him in the MTV. They had this little office in the back of MTV. They put graffiti all over the mother fucking walled. Always had this shit smelling light Kush. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like most things that come through MTV MTV didn't know what to do with them. It's like, let's grab them. You know what I'm saying? At least you got the talented. How we don't. We don't really know. It was that was such a fun time MTV MTV too. 'cause you had like Andrew shows walking around the building he know zuri hall opera Fien Krista staffer now. No p Davidson all these. Yeah. It was literally all the people that you see kinda succeeded. Yeah. Man, if MTV does. Well, it's recognizes talent. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Okay. Go not MTV. Go Chris McCarthy. Paul Ritchie can Dida. Ryan Ling, Tiffany Williams Jessica's. All can. Yeah. The raw cook. Lauren's ins lowering el-bugi. Yeah. Not gonna give everybody say go get the whole network credit those I didn't know anybody else work there. Yeah. Those people are just named yet. Yes. Very good people. And if you see the people doing things, Darin Damme, burn debarment, of course, de-block. So it's like if you see people doing things and very diverse bases. Right. Like if you see what eighty five south shows, Don Carlos military, go being DC young fly. Yes. Right. Like they were on that, man. Like they're fucking killing it right now if no relation meals somebody's TV at I think that they're doing in the smartest way to I think they capitalize on that the U2. world, and they're do they're the future for me. I see those guys as the new kings of comedy like when we saw burning all those dudes come up. That's what I see Carlos and these guys come Chico. But obviously, you all myself, you mean, like everybody in these different p Davidson like everybody in these different that are in completely different spaces right now all be very successful Demet Fowler. Shit Germain Yemen army Kevin more net. Yeah. Man. Yeah. It was. I mean, listen say what you want, but that MTV MTV to family cranked great. Talent the the thing that you said, which is very interesting like at a certain point in time. You have to realize that you recognize talent. Well, but you don't curate it. Well, yes. And you've got it invest like if I'm I don't know if Paul Ritchie still there, but in all so whoever's there right now, you got to invest in talent behind the camera, and you have to invest in guys truly know what to do with talent in how to curate shows because that's what's missing there. And that's why guy such great show able to curate that Ryan lane Roco such a great show because you carry a talent on common sense was a great show. You had good people behind the camera. I think it was flawed. There wasn't. I think you know, my, you might show show Israel. So there wasn't a Charlotte. I get it. I get it. But you know, what is still a great show that you're ready to town. Even though it wasn't enough me. Like one thing about me that I always say, that's very narcissistic one thing about me. I said that I got so many different outlets. Yes. You know, what I'm saying to express myself and express my talent for me to do on commonsense. Every week and have different people on the panel and be doing alleys individuals and let d marrow have their own segment, which what ended up happening because they didn't know to do with them. So it's like, okay, we got these male do a segment every week right after trash and y'all. My my dream was to say, oh, let's have uncommon sense. And they have these Merrill Kamal right after we do like do fucking John's to call bear shit. Yep. That she didn't you know, manifested manifest somewhere else in the future. But it didn't manifest, you know, at at an MTV to and I pitch them a brilliant block, which would be your show and then my show following. And it would just be like I said to him. I was like let's let it be the loss leader just let us do whatever we want. Let us fuck shit up. Let people not really see it on TV that much. But I guarantee viral we will explode. I think all of those shows. Ause Lee, not all of them got gold, actually Reno. God code gyco. Sceptre the network Dhakal said the network. Oh, you know, what we could have done that man. Like, I'm just listening. I'm just happy for these American. I saw evolution. Yeah. They left a lay left MTV to after doing uncommon for a couple of seasons. Went device kilted advice. You know what I'm saying? Now, they on Showtime in every t- every time their position, I keep hearing the same thing. They not that funny. Oh, it's not gonna wear off not gonna work to brand is crawling motherfuckers their comedy times as a person after show you that they can win anywhere before you realize this is what they do. They're winners. I gotta show the haters infinitely haters gonna hate borough eight regardless like, you can't you can't dictate your career based on the haters. If you got enough people supporting you, which these marrow definitely do absolutely ride that motherfucker. I just hope Showtime let some give it away on the internet because that's really their network. I mean, these Amarah realize it are not their neck. Work is Twitter their network is YouTube. Well, if you look on I don't know if it's the I don't know if it's a decent Merrill YouTube page or Showtime you to pay his YouTube page, I've been noticing they've been leaking the promos and ship ship. Getting a million view that's half a million views on YouTube because people are very hard to take people from YouTube or the internet to TV interns of fans. They don't go. It doesn't matter. How famous you are they do not go, but it's easy to take peel from internet internet. So if people fuck with you on you to they'll watch you again on YouTube, and if so time is smart. They'll do exactly what HBO does what John Oliver Bill Maher. But it on the poll shit up. Listen, I'm watching soothed, my Burnden county as Showtime, great, dude. That was a great move bringing these marrow eleven PM tonight. We will be watching on Showtime along that yell, ma'am. But it was support bro aren't talking about settlements Charlemagne. How do you feel about this caps itch? Relation. Ooh. I realized that I was looking at this situation all row up until shit up until last week. I thought that the case was actually in federal court. But it's not a federal case. It was a case that was presented through to the VA. And I think that a lot of as the collective bargaining agreement between the teams and the players. Yeah. And I think a lot of us. We looked at this situation is a principal fight. Right. Like, we created the narrative, we created the narrative that it was a principal fight, you know, capitals trying to expose the NFL you know for being races. I know expose the prejudice in the NFL. He was like, okay. All of this shit is gonna come out. We're gonna see there was collusion. He's owners talking shit back and forth. Like fuck that nigga with afro like that's what we all was expecting. That's what boycotts came from. You know, that's what we were standing on. But truth to the matter is I think it was two things going on that we didn't realize. Yes, it's the principle fight. Right. But it also is a wrongful termination lawsuit like Colin. Nick with an employee, right? Felt like he was wrongfully terminated. So if you're wrong terminated, and you haven't worked in two years, you have every right to go. Get your mother fucking money from this company. If you feel like this company, did you wrong? So on that note. I don't think it's anything wrong with his settlement. Now. I saw what Stephen a Smith said. And what did he say? Well, he said, basically that you know, he feels like the terms of the settlement should be public. We need to see what's right. You know what I mean? I think it's very harsh to call Colin cabinet Casella. 'cause I don't think he was selling selling out at all. I think he told us from the beginning. Yo there blackballing me. I want to play they're keeping me for making a living. So therefore, I'm going to motherfucking suit people, and I'm gonna have me a wrongful termination lawsuit, and he won. I don't know win. I mean they settled with him. He said, but those are different things. I guess once again, I don't know what he was. I don't know what the wind would be. Then the the win would be taking the case to court, and then winning a decision proving that there was collusion against gone capture. Nick and them wanting a map think you gotta prove that. No, nothing was NFL Wildwood they settle because sometimes it's cheaper to keep her not for a billion dollar company. NFL could get good of exalted Colin cabinet way before he exhausted. I'm sure and that's a good and out the other thing too. And that's what made me realize it wasn't in federal court federal code. It took like five to seven years. So your argument, which I think a lot of people are making which is the NFL knew that they were going to lose. Maybe maybe they just wanted to could be one two. Maybe they knew it was gonna lose. Because there was some evidence. There are maybe they just wanted it to go away cheaper to keep her. Maybe maybe they just like, you know, what let's get ready this guy guy. Hey, say, right. He should be playing. You know what I'm saying? But we don't want him in the league or whatever and fucking. Let's pay him. Now. The interesting thing is going to be this. You know, one of the reasons they said that Colin was getting signed because he had this lawsuit against the NFL, which of doesn't make any sense 'cause they agreed at a loss to what he played for the Panthers. But that was one of the things that they were saying he's gotta lost got a lawsuit. Now that there's no lawsuit will a team actually pick him up or will there be retaliation? Now, if there's retaliation, and they keep him out of the league just because again now, you can go to court for real for real and a federal court with a whole different type of collusion case. That's interesting. So I mean this interest. It's interesting all across the board. But I really don't I don't know what I was expected to be honest with you. I I don't know. I don't know. What I I don't know what I was expecting. I think that I was looking at it as a principal fight. Right. And I thought Colin was really just trying to expose the NFL. But that just lets me know I wasn't. I was thinking about my narrative and not really. Harnessing, you know, what I'm saying? That's my people. But it's truth be told it was a wrongful termination lawsuit. Right. So. Yeah. My my feeling is. I can't I can't say truly how I feel about until I know the terms I think everything depends on the terms. Yeah. Right. Once we know the terms, then we can decide whether Colin quote, unquote, sold out or whether he didn't pay you for exactly. And anytime you settle right means you're not getting what you wanted. You're getting a little less when you settle a lawsuit. Let's say in divorce court, right? Your wife is entitled to half your like, I'll give you a third. She's like, okay. I'll take the third she wanted half. But she's willing to take less in the settlement. I think that when you settle somebody's not getting what they want both parties not really that's the whole idea of the settlement. Right. It's like the the reason why you come to a decision outside. Court right is because you're like, I don't wanna give up what the court is gonna tell me to give up most people just want money. I mean, like, you you have lawyers, right? You'll have lawyers will take these pro Bono cases. Right. Right. They'll write these crazy demand letters to somebody. Right. You get the demand letter. You read it and you like what the fuck so. And they're like, okay. Let's these so. They don't really want Justice. You know, what I'm saying or short, so perfect example. Right. It's like, let's say, you know, you're suing me for hundred million, right? And I don't wanna give you any million until you demand letter. That says Charlemagne said you forced him to suck his dick. Right, right. Exactly. You want this out? You want us out in the public and give me a hundred. Which sixty nine million six million. Right. So you wanted the hundred but you settled at sixty nine I wanted zero zero but I'm settling with giving you sixty nine. So I don't have to give you the hundred. So in other words, we both don't get exactly what we want. But I mean sixty nine again. Yeah. As a matter. So so for this type of case where there's so much nuance in it, and we can try to separate the case from his protests. But the reality of the matter is the cases a symptom of the protests, and the case is a symptom of a larger problem in America, which is somebody fighting for social Justice and being blackballed at their profession because of it. So it's very easy for us to go. These have nothing to do with each other. But in fact, they're directly related, right? So what I want to know is if we know they're directly related. How much did you sacrifice how much of your principles? Did you sacrifice in that settlement? Again. Maybe Vero just that's why said I can't make I can't make a save until I hear the settlement. But I'm just saying and don't get me wrong sixty or eighty million or whatever they're saying that he might have gotten. That's a lot of money men. And I don't think most people could turn that down. That is a fucking lot of money. I would take the money will take the money into it until you look era green every play lash you still new right? You know what I'm saying? Not only new NFL. I'm fucking talking to me giving me drug tests noticing bullshit. You're only doing this. Because it stand out took right? All the while still sworn NFL, right? Aaron million dollar contract. Just won the lawsuit would cap and have the three year new deal with the pants when two million now he was still doing right. Cat might get signed and still new. That's when you know. So that's so that was what I say next year. We're going to find out. What the settlement was when we see if Eric continues to kneel. Yes. And let's say we see cap on. Now, I think the NFL wants a team to sign cap. Because if they signed cap and cap doesn't Neil the settlement terms are somewhat disclosed, and then the NFL can go he never cared about rights or anything like that. He was bought out. And we basically said sixty million while you dance what a NFL even have to say that that would be the narrative from the people. That's what I'm saying people. That's what the NFL wants me NFL legally cannot say what happens. But again, it's way more effective to show the Tel and the NFL wants to show. Hey, we're billion dollar company. I bet you if we give that guy sixty million which is nothing to us. We make billions of dollars a year, but to sixty million dollars he'll stand up for that anthem. Yeah. Because that's gonna be the first question. People ask if Eric new and Colin the new the first thing, they say, why aren't you on doing because you settled now if that's the case, and again, we cannot say anything till next year. But if that's the case. You can't put Colin in. And I and I said this to calm when we're after dinner, I said to said to what you're what you're doing right now is walking through the fire. I respect people who walk through the fire because there is immense. Power and support. When you come out the other side, it doesn't mean people like you or dislike you, say, whatever you want about Ali he walked that fire. You got them. Right. He did not settle. He took three years in jail. Those are different fucking things. Right. You have a choice though. Yeah. He did either. Go to go fight a mother fucking face the consequences. He could've gone to fight. But he chose to knock on these shows to stand up for what he was no matter how much money was on the line or anything. Right. He gave the big dude at Colin took on an entity like the NFL Bor, I think it's a massive deal. But be and again, I don't know the terms of settlement the terms of the settlement could have been so fucking pro Colin that not only did he get paid. He gets a keep Neal. He gets a keep doing whatever want and then Collins fucking, man. But if that's why I have no statement until we find out the terms of the settlement, right because you really can't say if you want and I'm not listening. I'm not knocking nobody who knew. I don't give shit about the million. And what is what I mean by that? That's just a symbol. Yeah. You know, what I'm saying the real changes happening in our communities, which colonised continued to do colonists funding. His know your rights camp all of these past couple of years with his own money right now, you got some bands, the really really really, but you can also bans by playing the NFL. And then funding them standing up for the anthem. I mean, you know, somebody's that just me about out of her. Max Kellerman say that maybe it was math Kellerman said is he talked about Ali. He said the thing that really made alley wasn't the fact that he just took a stand. It was the fact that after those three years he came back and beat the fuck out of joy formative came heavyweight champion again that takes your your your your your legacy to a whole 'nother level without a lot of us. I guess I guess that's what we wanna see. Right. You wanna see Colin comeback? I would love to foot peaceful next thing. You know, he's in the bowl like that. That's like, whoa. And you know, who hates Roger Goodell in Roger Goodell, the Commissioner of the NFL Robert Kraft who's another person that hates him. Ooh, Robert crafts and Bill Belichick. And you know, who could potentially use a backup quarterback who the patriots definitely think. Sign of whole now. Now, let's say the patriots sign. Let's say the patriots sign him. Right. Let's the patriots. And they could absolutely do it. Go right back to the Super Bowl and win. It Colin cavern. It comes back into the league couple years removed from his blackballing. Yes. And then wins a fucking Super Bowl in Robert Kraft has to hand him that trophy. No Roger Goodell. Roger Goodell has to hand him net trophy pagers, they do that. And they play him the wait at the same. You'll notice this. You had to play drew Brees and their backup quarterback. They put their backup quarterback in for snaps at certain times. Like it was just because he's a young guy. I forgot I forgot the name of the system, but that will bell, his brilliant. He can find a way to make find a way to Robert traveling and Ryan it would make mill motherfucking chain on you know, what I'm saying be down. So God damn bad. I don't know why. I don't know what black woman he got on the side that magnum put him on Philly. John Robert Kraft fucking on. The side Taylor condition ain't normal proper crab knows right? Because Robert Kraft is a big as Trump supporter. Brahma crab is like, yeah. He's he doesn't think that Trump's is one thing that trumps Trump in America was that the love of sports team Trump Trump's meaning if you like Trump, Robert listen radio fucking hat in the locker room Raba Kravitz hanging out with Trump and motherfuckers is watching that Super Bowl. I god. Damned patriots bed. All these people who can't Donald Trump act like they don't see that by the book and Tom Brady picture with the maga- hat flying across motherfucking timelines. Okay. 'cause he's that motherfucking. It's one thing that trumps Trump in America, and that's your level sports team. Okay. Because I'll tell you what let the Dallas Cowboys win the Super Bowl. And then Jerry Jones take a picture with Donald Trump. Right. Okay. Mole question if the Dallas Cowboys win the Super Bowl. God will you suck? Jerry Jones is dick. Fucking man never got a father. Okay. All white man's, dick. I don't know. Listen, I don't have a problem with the capital situation. I really don't know. That's the thing. Like, we don't anybody who has a problem with it is stupid because they don't know the terms once again doodo, you know, what else? Well, and I say this all the time the thing that helps cap is he doesn't talk the thing that hurts cap, really talk. We all assumed a lot of things we created a lot of narratives than our mind. Once again, we thought it was a principal fight, which it probably I'm sure it is. But that principal fight led him to get blackballed which led him to file a suit against the NFL. Like, you said it started with the social Justice and their reaction to the social Justice. So he got paid for that. I'm not I can't be really mad at that. You know what I'm saying? But the thing is we haven't heard from cap exactly what it was. We never have. We created all of these narratives in our mind, we were making all of these stands on behalf of collar capital in. And you know, they feel. A lot. When you, you know, salute Riano for not performing at halftime and stuff like that. You know what? I mean, they knew what they were doing and it worked. I can't be mad at it. And I think I know college well enough to know is not going to stop what he does. It's not gonna stop how he feels. He's gonna keep doing your rights camp. He's gonna still be out here fighting for us the way that he does you know what I'm saying? Like, we can't look at him. We can't look to him to fight. Like, I Lee fought I'll look to him to fight like a I don't know activists like he's he's him. He fights his way. Right. You know? So I'm not mad at it. I would not be. I would not be surprised. Yeah. I would not be surprised if it's if the settlement is not favorable to to cap and Eric read in terms of them having to stand for the anthem like if they have it was on. Who knows it's a lot of money, man. It's a lot. I think that's gotta be gotta be unconstitutional in a way because you're not it's a it's a private company like you can say what you have to do what they remember. They had to rule you couldn't Neil. But then they dismissed it. It was like you have there was like not nailed texting us that banned they banned it. They was like you cannot Neal. If you're out on this field, you have to stand for the anthem or you gotta stay in the locker room. But then they put that shit on hold. Yeah. So I mean, I don't I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. What comes first the providence the to of the constitution. I don't know. I really know. 'cause like like siphoned somebody's right to protest is unconstitutional. But I like I said, I don't know what comes first the providence. The toossion are those terms in the constitution. I don't fucking probably should be the constitution. But you're allowed to. I don't know. It's it's tricky. I think will get details of the settlement as time goes, you know, loose lips are out there for sure and people start to lose lip syncs ships that we go loose lipped suck dick. The whole Justice militia what what do you mean? Just in general, there's even more of it. I mean, just just where everybody taking my heartache heartache. I said it on Instagram awhile back. But that like there's I knew it was fake because there's nobody who's racist homophobic, and Trump support of the watches empire. I think what we were saying I'm flagrant to Cavs. Like, I think Lee Daniels scripted it cata better watch out because I don't know if you know that or not the faith of domestic terrorism in America's now Nigerian. You gotta be careful. Okay, girl. Ava. D'hiver name was was wild. Duvrees while in she was wiling cargo cow PD, the same PD police department that covered up the murder of a claw McDonald's than she blocked me. But I tweeted at our hours like, yeah, it's awful. What is awful what that police department did to cover up the murder of aquatic, Donald and the lawyer that helped him as disgusting. You should check out the lawyer that jesse's from LA just hired. Well, he quit to he could already. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Better. Came win that this is a tricky situation. Right. Because it's like, yeah. We know police are corrupt. Yeah. We know homophobia exists. Yeah. We know racism is real. But sometimes people just live. Sometimes sometimes this has sometimes some things have nothing to do with. None of those things. All right, sometimes people just lie. My thing is the why always right? The rumor is that the the hate mail that came to empire didn't get enough juice on even make no sense to me. I'm the K to pock definitely didn't want to be a hell of a line, bro. Definitely. Larry attempt very ran away from me 'cause you paid them to run away from area. Unbook and Mainieri. Underrated line to puck thing was it. Yes, man. 'cause if two was gay matter what I get around with sound hold on. Are you telling me to impart wasn't gay too far from gay really see those ballet float off with the game businesses Arado? This variety would have been different record. Right. Game. My dick you fat motherfucker. No thought it all totally different. You know? But I have to ask why? I'm going to give him the best case scenario here as a person he wants attention, and he justifies that wanting of attention with promoting anti-trump rhetoric because he truly hates the administration. Okay. So he's like how can I showcase how awful this administration is how can I show the world? How truly awful the administration is and also get some attention and be the man, which is wild cause a bunch of reasons that you cannot like the Trump administration like like nobody's gonna care about another hate crime in Chicago. I mean, I don't think they would my my my thing is crazy. How much we care about this crime? When all the other people are gonna shot and fucking Chicago every weekend. Like, this is their people to Chicago that are going God. I wish that was my weekend because America's upset with celebrity. I wish if the same reason we have Donald Trump as president America is upset. Test with celebrity, and it's the same reason why I think people like Eva, and our buddy van just went out so hard and support him when this came out, and it's not that. I I've given some thought into this. You know? You know, what it is like when you know certain things about society to be true or feel them. Like, you feel you experience racism when there's an example of it happens to a celebrity, and it's so blatant you get behind it. Because you're like finally people believe me people will believe me into a famous person also deepened in that. They know this person. Sure. Sometimes they don't sometimes they actually I mean, I know him too. But. I told you we have gone vision. I chose not to have an opinion on it. Right. You don't have to have an opinion on everything. That's true. You know what I'm saying? Just what sometimes you jump out there? And you got an opinion on things, and you end up and shit like this happens, and I've been telling you this for some weeks. Now, it ain't even just Justice situation Salata ship people get outraged about and shit. Don't be in context. It's like you'll you don't have to have an opinion about everything you just sit back sometime in wait, a beat absolutes wrong await the beat nothing wrong way, the memes still going to be funny. These judges will let me Austell shit. Our fires lab, they flapping lab, and it's been three or four weeks. After the fact we don't have to rush to anything. Like, listen understand. We all got content to create understand. We all got microphones that. We got things that we want to say, right? You don't have to do that with everything. I gave Justice the benefit of the doubt because he's a black man. Right. And he's a black man who said he experienced a hate crime. Right. Therefore, even I didn't believe the story had no reason to come on his bullshit effecting, my world wasn't effecting the world in any way, shape or form. Hey coup. God bless them. We'll see what happens. So now, it's the bigger issue. But are you concerned at all that like you could be more gullible because of that and the few weeks? Yeah. No bullshit detector it works perfectly fine. Right. When this first happened the first day. What was I group jazzing? It was bullshit. Exactly. They make me feel good long bullshit detector works. I don't need to know. My detective works, right? No. I'm saying like when there might be certain instances where you would like jump real quick to give somebody donkey today because there was maybe a white person. Did did something. All right. So white people like it's more Thompson donkey they all of that true or not. It's too good to resist right? I didn't see the human jussie smollet shit. Right. I saw a lot of it. Not. I'm not initially to that show. Absolutely. Not in not initially. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Now, bro. Unbelievable racist, you'd have to be. To walk around looking to fight a black dude in negative twenty degrees. Tive twenty degrees. You're walking around looking for a black, dude. Come on, bro, come on. That's really hating. Somebody men. I don't hate anybody that much bre. I mean, there's a lot of a lot of it sounded fishy in Chicago. You know what I'm saying? I would ask him a home Chicago's the stuff like this happening. Hey, crimes, having whatever. Listen. But I'm not going to hop on the guy all I'm gonna say is I think that we live in an attention economy. Yes. And I think that people realize it's a lot of currency in having injustices happening to you. And I think that you know, some people wanna be stars some people want to be modest. And I think when you look at the guys that we just talked about like, Colin cabinet common capital and a lot of ways of mater. I dunno martyrs. Don't get six eighty million dollars martyrs. Die a martyr. You're literally martyr Mohammed Ali the mater. No because he didn't die. You gotta die to be a moderate. Yeah. That's what makes you a martyr. You're dead. You gotta died. Definitely definition a martyr on martyrdom that you gotta die. How much you want to put on it? You sucks Akashi, right? A person who was killed because of their religious beliefs. Personal voluntary suffers deficit penalty of you just gonna keep reading. That doesn't. Millions. True. But it's true a person who sacrifices something of great value, and especially life itself for the sake of principle, a modern to the cause of freedom. So you can be a model who sacrifice something great value. No, especially life itself. Yeah. You're you're not. We're not going to do that. These words means something is a reason people. Why don't the words I say mean seven they do all definitions read the motherfuckers on those from you just read the ferris to the definition a person who sacrificed sometime out your smart. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I hope so. Yes. A person who sacrifice something of great value, right and right, especially life. It's what is life, man? What is something agree valuing? Andrew. Something of great value and read the first finishing the one that I do voluntary self is death is the penalty to read this. The second one is a person who sacrifices something of great value and read the second one that was the third the second one got off a person who sacrifice through in a row that just said death. What what you're using is you're using martyr. Not in this literal definition, right? I'm using the Webster's definition of modern. I don't know. Okay. Right. So like read it read if you don't believe me just read it several times right who sacrifices something of granting, martyr and ready martyr a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs. That's one definition Andrew that is the definition so deafness dictionary that definition now you're looking up martyr. Where we don't know where the fuck within Mariam's dictionary that you accident scrolled over 'cause you wanna point her narrative instead of. Where is it? Where was it? Where was it? I honestly don't know where you definitely person is definitely my person voluntary suffers death in the penalty of witnessing refusing renounce. Listen, so yearly and then the third one which is one. Okay. The third one because I term water for anybody other than the dead person. So Charlotte what I'm trying to say is sometimes words, and, you know, this for fact, sometimes word means something, and yeah, we say fuck the Tiffany into the word, right? So the literal definition of the word right is death. Now, people take words, and they more and they liberal, right? No, no, no. You're not listening. Ical right. Listen to me, you love you love political. Right. You send me political? I don't love it. But they are a little articles there. Cabinet football's riches, martyr. No, man, that's not political with that was another one. But listen, what is that was the political the martyring of con? Okay. Right. Right. Okay. Right. Read the article when you talk about the article, the reason I use that word because they say that about all the time, and they said it about Ali purchase going off the definition of the world. And then we can get out of here. I know it's frustrating. It's frustrating when he wouldn't wanna learn anything you talking. What did you do? We don't need. Hey, hey, hey, me sports radio. Colin cabinet would rather be a martyr and play football sack dot com. NFL made cabinet the quarterback into a martyr. AM greatest dot com. Colin cabinet, football's richest modern political the monitoring. Let me ask you a question. Does the word. What does the word kill mean? To you. Andrew your own just what is the word even going back and forth. What does the word kill me? Nobody you're not wrong. But you're not right. You're not looking at the word and his whole hotel. I'm right. So so some not even the word kill means to kill somebody. Right. Yeah. If I'm saying this. I'm saying I go, man. This guy was so funny. He was killing me am I murdered. No, this is how you using the word martyr. You're Morphing the definition of the word Mark political unit. Exactly. The same way house news. News means how am greatness. You know, what are you gonna like Andrew because the word has different meanings. You can be a modern not die. No, you can't. But as but it's fine. So everybody. It's okay. It's fine. Fire all the definition of just like you're killing crying right now. I'm not little crew using jussie smollet wanted to be a martyr. Because that's bigger than being a star. And a lot of ways meek mill is a moderate or some because of his stance of what happened to him with the wheeling and all that stuff. He becomes the face a prison reform. I think that sometimes people wanna be that as opposed to just being a star. Right. And what I'm saying you have to lose everything to be a martyr. Some people feel like Colin lost everything I'm saying by getting eighty million lose to lose everything if eighty million so at one point Muhammad Ali tomorrow, he lost everything three as couldn't box. Yep. Couldn't do nothing actually broke. Yeah. Got it back. Yeah. When the Congo broke. I guess that's what I'm trying to send. Oh, I don't know that. So I don't see him as a martyr because BSE didn't go broke. But but that's fair. I just think that's what he wanted at the end of the day. We wanted to put on that. Pedestal looked at in that way. Did you see how diesel those guys were? There's a way to Bari drive. Yeah. They like to big Anthony. Josh was not sharing by the way. Okay. Me personally. Only thing I care about is not weaponising. Race, not weaponising, homophobia, not weaponising real issues for your personal gain. Jesse is no different. He's no different than the woman accusing man of sexual assault when that mandating sexual the he committed I think he committed a hate crime. Yeah. Crime. Could you put other people in? Exactly, yeah. I think you committed a hate crime against Magassa Porter's. Absolutely. Because how do we know that there are Maga's borders and somebody who's walking around like, oh, you're gonna do this Jesse. Well, we're going to beat the shit out. You it happens. Listen is dangerous. Does all I can say I think that's it man. Well, we have to do the polls rose we do that. But we got we got to make sure that people turn their dreams into reality. Squarespace. Oh shit. 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Why people say about a year year and a half at the most? I'm asking right now. It wasn't for u Brown two thousand fifteen thousand fifteen podcast about I'm not gonna say it was about. Okay. Maybe maybe four maybe maybe for a year and a half. All right. Do some asking idiot before we get out of here Roman Macklin says what is the biggest challenge facing leaders today? Easy for me. Go bigger challenge. Facing leaders today is that people are not actually led by fax anymore. They're led by feelings. There led by narratives in you know, you have social media to where if you believe something you can put that something on social media and somebody will agree with you. So therefore, you always have your own tribe. So therefore, you think urologic in, you know, the the way you believe in the way, you think is absolutely positively correct. It's hard to lead follow you. When I have my own tribe of people, and we all follow each other. So why would I follow you? Right. And every and every every everybody thinks they're leaders being that you being that. You think you're a leader? You're listening to nobody else. Right. So that's that's the bigger towns. I think is facing leader today social media. Yeah. Yeah. I think. I think the biggest challenge for leaders today's not falling into the trap of identity. I think it I think oftentimes we see leaders leaning on. I look like this. You look like this. That means that we should agree on everything. And I don't think that's really how things work. I think that at least for me anytime, I've tried to lead. It's been based on ideas. You know, if you have the same hair color is me or skin tone is music. Great. But I it doesn't mean that I should lead. You it doesn't mean that we're part of the same tribe. It just means that we happen to have those things because of millions of years of evolution. And we ended up on this planet. Right. If you really want to create a tribe, it should be based on ideas, you know, I respect. So there's religions that I respect so much because you know, you'll get Islam you could days me look at all these things Christiane. Thity, and it's like they've group people together based on these ideas regarding think, they're good or not. But it's not about their skin color. It's not about their, you know, the way our fucking hands. Look at our feet, look or anything like that. It's about, hey, this is how we think the world can become a better place. Do you wanna tap into these ideas, you wanna become part of me? And I think that is the most impressive thing with with leadership is like when you can when you can get people to look beyond the easiest thing to connect on. You know, like if I see someone in prison, and you're bringing different groups of people in the prison prisoners so segregated, but if you find a way to get the blacks and whites and the Muslims and all these people to kind of come together and figure something out together in the prison. I'm like, you fucking lead and leaders have to really lead to think it's hard to lead nowadays and his era of groupthink because some people don't stand on the ideas that some people put something out there when they see the negative reaction to push back to it. They switch up. That's that's one reason. Why? Reason why I respect what they would do. That's really being a free thinker because everybody your mom is either done one or two things when it comes to Justice millet shut up. Okay. Every had all his energy a few weeks ago. When eight thought it was one narrative when they realize you might be lying like, okay. Let's quite she came idea. Like, nah, nah. I still believe it's a Chicago police fault that takes angle Vong freethinking, though. Yes. You think she's free of her narrative, I think she's imprisoned by her narrative. That's why she can't leave it to spite all the new information, which you say nothing, you know, they're still stand on that. She can say nothing. She's consistent consistent, but I wouldn't say she's free. Like, for example. There might be a parent who's doesn't believe in you know, using certain medication Curiel nece, right? And their kid is dying of this illness that there is a medication cure the kid. If the parents goes, well, God is. Going to help my kid out. And then the kids end up ends up dying. I don't know if that parent is a free thinker. I think free think would make would make them go. Okay. I'm gonna break free of this ideology. That potentially kill my kid, and I'm gonna take in this new information. Well, I'll save my China. Right. I will say as an opinion, I think it's one of those opinions to where it's always hard to have an opinion when you know, everybody's gonna disagree with you, very hard. And that's why I've hard to be a leader. Yes. Put fresh ideas out there. You gotta say things that people may not necessarily agree with. But if you will leave it you have to put it out this. So if she truly believed that she had every right to and she's she's witnessing that. And this moment, you know, what I'm saying the right moment based on all the evidence and everything I'm like, I'm not right? Come into this the family like I'm gonna let this play out already already jumped out the window too much anyway. Yeah. And you have tons of other evidence to prove that narrative of yours. This doesn't have to prove or disprove it. There's tons of the show that Chicago PD is covered things up and has acted in ways that. You know are incredibly unjust, right? You don't have to apply that to this story. This story can be anomaly, which icago PD this store can be like, hey, man. They did their due diligence. And they found out that the kid was lying, but they're that McDonald's should still real desert piss off everybody in Chicago that the fact that police can investigate crimes and find all your mind to if they want to. If they want to they can figure this it out. Yeah. Wears about of these kids in in south that are getting shot up. I have no idea. I don't know how to fuck the Nigeria's. That's a helpful fucking like just too big app. Nigerians in Chicago that was a hell of a job to go actually find these guys. I couldn't tell that ship. Watching them two shadowy figures, they show it on. I'm like, okay. Because other that bug me out. Like, so nobody else's on the streets of so anybody that was on the street that time of morning gets picked up two AM twenty degrees below zero. It's Chicago is one of the biggest cities in America who AM twenty degrees blizzard like there's never a time in New York where people are not walking down the street to AM twenty below zero. Not that many people out twenty degrees below zero two AM death a little stupid little well, get seamless some fun. Fuck you walking out to go. Get a sandwich like Uber eats. Something's going on somebody right cooly t say, why don't people anti protests by shitload of stuff. You don't lake? The other one. What have we found out? God is really a black woman in Satan is actually a white, man. Seeing eyeso-. We know who's got more power gotta Satan. I'll tell you that much. Why don't people anti protests? What does that mean said by shitload of stuff? You don't like that? This is kind of a stupid question Cooley because you don't buy things that you don't like why would I invest my money in something that I don't like I never the goal. What would happen? I don't know. What I'm saying? Like, what what what would be the reason for minus? Now. If you what you say about Gucci is truth. That would piss them the fuck off. Joe if I'm if I'm the black community. Addressing like low pump. We'll talk get all the fake Gucci. You can where it non stop just put out if TI TI you really want to boycott Gucci put at spent all the money on fake Gucci give it to every single person, you could possibly know flood Instagram with it, flood, whatever the fuck, you think you can just flood it Gucci Burberry all that Gucci man. Now, they probably all with much fake shit that we don't want your way and your shit at all possible. The coin collector says the last one what do you think the next shift in society is we're doing asking idiot. What do you think the next shift in society is next shifting society? Is people getting off of social media that is the next shift in society people getting off social media people disconnecting from the internet reconnect with themselves this shoes ruining us. I don't give a fuck. You are lying to yourself. If you tell me that your day is not different when you don't fuck with social media. You're lying to yourself. If you tell me if you put if you put your phone now for a few days. As it's like, your brain is repairing itself in a way. It's interesting that you find yourself like I want you to really be intentional in cognitive when you get on social media and you'll find yourself checking what a fucking my back on issues. Like, it's just like a habit that you just pick it up you go look for what what are you? What are you looking for what's on Twitter, Instagram, what's on Facebook? What is there that you just have to see what do people do when they wake up in the morning, you know, and they're to the cigarettes. Right. What is the first thing? They gravity the US. Now, what do you do first thing in the morning, not you? But everybody listening right now. Multiple grad phone, you grab your phone. You get that nicotine. Take some drags. I'd take some swipes see what should I do it? I'm guilty of it. I look through all my shit. You know? No, I don't smoke. You're not paying attention. We're gonna make Taylor. So. But yeah, it is a real diction. That'd be really interesting to see what happens. I'm telling you the next year. If people getting off social media everybody needs to guard their and via book called digital minimalism. Yeah. It's about refocusing in a noisy world. We gotta get back to treating our phones. Like the tools that they are. And stop acting like there are another part of our fucking bodies. What not what about this, and this may have already been invented? But I would love this hap- in apt that locks you out of certain apps. They do have this forgot the name of it. But it locks you out. You can put as timing time around would love that. Yeah. An hour a day. Obviously, there's certain things I wanna access I want access text messages on access Email right phone, but outside of that everything else is indulgence screen time. I do that. I didn't. I didn't even know. I'm getting messages lately is green time now twenty this week. Yeah. Not thirty percent this week. Wow. I didn't even realize on that shit. Like that would you? You're they'll give you notice when you're not you got to send that to people when they're upset, you know, respond to tax the I'm not on my only YoM down thirty percent this the truth though. No, it was your thirty all rules like as many people. I don't be texting back. I'll be missing phone calls now because I just be I'll be away from phone. Yeah. I don't keep that shit on me. I think I need the lock them. Maybe there's other people to just need the lock. And then you in a weird way you might take advantage of that time differently. Like instead of just spin their aimlessly scrolling read of fucking book. No, no, no. No, no. I mean, you take advantage of the hour that you give yourself on social, right? So instead of just like meaninglessly scrolling on your Graham, what should be like you'll goes. Okay. I've an hour today where I can promote the different things that I'm gonna do where I can actually give the internet the stuff instead of just an hour. I'm looking oh who's commenting? What are they saying it cetera? So you actually spend that time giving the world things instead of taking. Thing I need that. You can be more creative, man. Your digital minimum minimalism the book, it talks about how they have these little books that are shaped like phones. Okay. Whenever you feel the urge to reach for your phone for this little book. He just read a little some or you keep a little pad on you'd have like a phone you pull it out. You could write something like I'm telling you, you'll be more creative. This should is not making us create a man, it's actually taking creativity funny. I started started doing shit on a pad like for writing bits because I would always just right ideas on my phone. But then once you're on the phone. It's like oh, Twitter's right, right? Right. The Instagram right there whom but if I have the pad I'm actually writing, and you know, it's fucked up about the phone compared to a cigarette is every time you take a drag of a cigarette. You get the nicotine you wanted every time you take a drag of your social media. You don't always get the amount of likes. You want it on a pick the amount of views. You want it on video the the response to someone you reached out for. So it's like imagine smoking a cigarette, and sometimes you got nicotine, and then other times, you just got tar, you know, like, you just say red feel like shit cigarettes oral fixation, you you just like having something in your mouth. Right. Did you start smoking recently enough is about forty seven years. But no, real talk, man. That's true. My mom quit smoking by just doing fake dragging on a cigarette. There's a long time dragging. So she wouldn't light it. She just go if all fix fixation. Yeah. No of it's true. But there is a nicotine which has to. Wha-wha-wha-wha-wha-wha-wha-what? She has an oral fixation. Cigarettes really now for cigarettes don't do that. And I say right now for cigarettes. What does it for? I told you I what is it for? What's my smoking? My who good. I have a pen in sorry. Like, that's fine. But I didn't realize. Like hookah because something in your mouth you like blowing the smoke. Yes. That's really relaxing. Yeah. We it's kinda like you get tired of it. Sure. 'cause you high. Yeah. You don't wanna be hard and maybe fidgety too. Really? Oh, let wasn't as always listen to the podcast. You think we're smart? You think we're intelligent. You think we're brilliant? Absolutely. Right. 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Case 147: Julie Dart and Stephanie Slater

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Case 147: Julie Dart and Stephanie Slater

"Era besides with serious and often distressing incidents. If you feel it anytime, you need support. Please contact to across the central for suggested. Confidential support place as shy nights for this episode on your APP or website? In July of Nineteen, ninety-one things looked promising verizon year old Julie Dodd. bobbly spirited teenager with wavy brown hair and a smile she had recently finished high school, and was hoping to fulfil locked long dream of joining Britain's armed forces. Julie had grown up in late the largest city in the northern English county of West. Yo Shaw where she still lived with her mother. On Tuesday July, nine, nineteen, ninety-one Julie, spent the day with her boyfriend twenty year all Dominick Nari who lived in the nearby suburb of gitten. At six o'clock in the evening, the couple went to dominique sister rose's house where Julie helped prepare meal of Roast, Lamb and Yorkshire Pudding. After They Dayton, Juliet excused herself to start not shift at the hospital where she'd recently started working as an orderly. At seven forty five PM. She cased Dominic Goodbye and departed wearing a black skirt with a pink and black jacket. At, nine Peon Julie Find Dominique to say she would be working until eleven thirty PM and would then return to her Gnheim. Dominique noticed that there appeared to be music. Playing in the background is though Julie were calling from a POB. Two days past and dominate could didn't hear from Julie. Then on the morning of fraud. Agent Lights Twelve. He received an unexpected visit from his sister rose, who had found a handwritten envelope addressed to hin amongst her male. There was a letter inside written in Julie's handwriting which read. Dominic helped me plays of Ben. Kidnapped and obeying held as a personal security until next Monday night. Please go until my mom straightaway. Love you so much, dominic? Mom find the police stride away and helped me. Have not eaten anything, but I'll have offered food. Feeling a bit sick, but on drinking two cups of Tape Day. Mum Dominic. Help me. Love You all? Julie. Upon rating the letter Dominic Cold Julie's mother. Lynn Dodd to rush Daiva to rate it for herself. She noticed that despite being pending Julie's handwriting, some of the woods and freising didn't Santa luck daughter at all. More IVA lean couldn't understand why Julie would be abducted and held for ransom. Has Family had little money? Lynn immediately called the police to report her daughter missing and gave them the lead off. Police began looking into JULIE'S LAV Born on March one, nineteen, seventy three, Julie Anne Dodd, was the first chart of Lin and Alec Hill who went on to have a son named poll two years later. When Julie was four years old. Alex left his young family and in Nineteen, seventy, eight Lynn remarried and electrician named a and dot. The Julianne poll what close to their stepfather? Calling Him Dad and adopting he surname? Lin and day in separated when Julie was sixteen years old, but a in maintained a relationship with these stepchildren. Although Julie was brought. She wasn't a dedicated student and instead preferred to focus on her athletic abilities. A talented Rana. She participated in school and county competitions, accumulating a number of trophies, which her mother proudly displayed in the family In her spare Don Julie locked, socializing dancing and performing Karaoke with her friends. While she was still at school. She go to Tom Job at a cafe, which was wish she met Dominique a CO worker, who was two years her senior. They dated for three years, and when Julie was just seventeen, they became engaged. Julie moved out of her family home to live with Dominique in his flat which mother Lynn didn't approve of. Julie had confided in her younger brother poll that Shea and Dominique often argued and today's altercations sometimes became violent. By the end of nineteen ninety, the relationship ended and Julie returned time. She and her mother had always been particularly close, but they both had strong personalities and living together time resulted in clashes and disagreements. Julie for the day when she could live independently and start a career. Longtime Drain was the become a physical training instructor Fabiani. She had always been fit and healthy, though she was claustrophobic and suffered from mild Asmara's a child. In December of Nineteen Ninety, she visited the army recruiting office in late to apply for a Rall as driver in the women's Royal Army Corps. After several months her application was accepted under the condition that she said a final selection examination. Friday June. Seven nineteen ninety-one one week before she was due to take the exam a forty one year, old man named to Michael, Wall Talk Cold The army recruiting office. Hey had befriended Julie several years earlier when she was employed at the cafe and had eventually offered reports on job as a on. Michael was calling to notify the office that Julie had recently stolen two of his bank cards and used them to withdraw six hundred and sixty pounds. She had since signed a liability foam, agreeing to repay the money to the bank, but Michael was worried that if she joined the army before settling the debt, the money might never be repaid. The recruitment office who took the coal was concerned as it was essential that all new recruits with free from financial liability. When questioned by the officer Julie denied owing any money, and proceeded to excel at her fawn Alexan-. She was subsequently accepted for the army's September intake. Markle Walter repeated. He's concerns that if Julie didn't settle her debt, the bank would initiate criminal proceedings. Julie continued to deny of taking the money the degrade to pay the bank what was owed to enable her to join the Armed Forces by September? However on Thursday July four. The recruitment officer went to Julie's school to confirm her fawn all grades and discovered that she had forged her academic records. This resulted in Julie's application being rejected. The recruitment office has sent her a letter, explaining the situation that same day, but it is unknown. Whether Julie Ever received it. Lynn told the police that there had been nothing happening in Julie's loft that had given her any course concern. She said that about a month prior Julie had started experimenting with her physical appearance, but trying out different makeup stalls and coloring her hair. However, she had thought it back to its Natural Cala when her grandmother didn't approve. Julie had told her mother that she had recently started a notch shift job sterilizing syringes at a laboratory and had been spending knots at the home of an old friend. Police questioned this friend who revealed she hadn't seen Julie in four months. It soon became clear that Julie and Dominique had reconciled their relationship, but had been keeping it a secret from Julie's family. Domini call and divided. He's gone between the homes of East. Two sisters and two Julie, had occasionally been staying with him. While telling her mother, she was with a friend. While Lynn believed Julie, had a job sterilizing syringes at a laboratory dominique was under the impression. She worked as an orderly at a hospital. The police in quiet with both workplaces, but nathe ever heard of Julie Dodd. After falling her report Lynn walked the streets of laid over, and Daiva showing people Julie's photograph. At not she visited the city's pubs asking punches whether I had seen her daughter. A number of people recognized Julie's Pichai and said they knew her, but none had sought at her within the last week. The police decided to speak with Voss quite investigators from the lead suburb of Chapel town, which at the time was a red light district popular with sex workers. From Nineteen, seventy five until nineteen eighty, the area was a hunting ground for notorious serial killer. The Yorkshire Ripa whose crimes were covered in episode thirty seven of Case Fall. Although the voice squad had no record of Julie. They soon established that multiple witnesses had seen her hanging around the district in the three weeks leading up to her disappearance. She had apparently told some sex workers that she was new to the industry and did ask to their Voss on where to take clients and how much to charge. Of Full Matt classmate of Julie's also came forward, claiming he'd seen her in Chapel town on Tuesday. July non the noise. She went missing. He had been driving through the area at eight fifteen pm when he sputtered Julie Standing on a street corner with another girl. They briefly made contact, but Julie turned her head away as though she didn't want to be saying. She had been dressed in light blue denim jeans, and a what Blair House which was different to the outfit she had been wearing when she left the dominique half an hour earlier. Enquiries revealed that shortly after this Julie taxi to a POB with two other young women and PM, she find dominate from the pubs fine. She then had a few drinks and played the jukebox before role. Three women quote a cab to the chapel. Tan Straight of Spencer place to engage in sex work. There Julie spent roughly twenty minutes with a client before buying takeaway Kebab. By Eleven PM. Both of her friends had gone home leaving. Julie Standing alone on the corner of spent place and delay appalled straight. The discovery that Julie had been engaging in sex work troubled the voice squad. On Friday July, twelve the same day that dominate received. They kidnapped Bleda from Julie. The West Yorkshire Police had received an envelope addressed to late city police and outdated name that had been used since nineteen seventy four. Inside was a LEDA talked in red ink, informing offices that a young sex work had been kidnapped from Chapel Tan area, and would be killed and less. The police paid one hundred forty thousand pounds in cash. The author role roadside demanded that thousand pounds be loaded onto bankcards. Instructions for the hand I've read. Next Tuesday July Sixteen, a woman police constable will drive to Birmingham New Street station with the money and a white, a phone call at the terminal in the waiting room on platform nine. She must wear a lot issue blue skirt with the money in a shoulder bag. She must be there by six PM and a white, the coal at seven PM. She will then be given the location of the next phone call. The letter instructed the constable to drop from payphone to pay phone where she would receive further directions along the way. Eventually at the last sought adult glacis, would-be hanging from a tree, ready for her to clip the money to. The cash was to be wrapped in polythene and debris on payback. Then todd with the New Orleans, cord. The Oh threatened that if these demands weren't met of by a bomb would go off at a major store in an English city at five am on Wednesday July seven tain. According to the Post marks on the envelope of this letter and the one sent to Dominique. Buzz had been sent at seven PM. On Thursday July eleven from the town of Huntington, located, one hundred and thirty five miles south of lades. Realizing that, they appear to be dealing with a genuine kidnapping. Investigators decided to run an operation in accordance with the kidnapping instructions. At six PM, on Tuesday July Sixteen constable a net Zeke nece went to Birmingham. New Straits station has instructed carrying the money in a shoulder bag. Located one hundred and twenty miles south of late in England's West, Midlands region. The station is the busiest and largest of three railway stations. The Service Birmingham Central Business District. Undercover offices availed constables ignace as she waited for the phone call at the phone terminal in the waiting room at platform GNAWING. At six minutes past seven, the pay phone rang. Constables vagueness answered it, but the cooler on the other end was silent and disconnected. The coal loftus the several seconds. Constables ignace whited another twenty minutes, but no of the calls came through. With no further instructions from the kid kidnapper investigators were left, wanting to say whether the individual would make contact again. Despite the kidnap is threat to firebomb a city building. If their demands weren't met the following day of Wednesday July seventeen past with the incident. On the morning of fraud I July nineteen, fifty one year old former. Bob Skelton was preparing for his day in the rural village of aced and ninety two miles southeast of leads. Bumps bomb spanned five hundred seventy nine acres and included a disused railway line. He's planned for the day was to rely Katie's kettle to fresh pastures with the help of these eighteen year, old son and another young employees. At seven forty five am. The three men were in a field located alongside the abandoned row by lawn, half a mile from the a one motorway when they noticed the pink and white striped shape lying on the grass. Assuming it was carelessly dumped rubbish. They moved close off and sold at the shape was banned with lengths of Teal colored rope and something to be wrapped up inside. Bob Son used his pen Nov to lost the ripe and Seen Hall in this shake revealing another layer of shake. Bob Thought, he could save the outline of a human arm and all three men smelled a strong unpleasant Toda. Decided to drop back to the farm to call the police. While the two young men stood guard over the grisly discovery. Officers arrived at the same and unwrapped the shape. Inside that van to the naked and significantly decomposed body of a young woman. The corpse was taken to be autopsied by Professor Stephen. Jones who noted that the only item the victim was wearing was a gold. Wish Bang Ring on her right Middle Finger. The head was entirely bold, and there were several injuries to her skull, including one at the back of her scale another above her left ear and diffraction below the. Days? Injuries had luckily bang caused by a hammer like weapon. Thought would not the cause of death. Around the victim's neck was ligature mark, indicating, she had also been drank. A right ankle featured chain like bruises suggesting she had been made to where some sort of allegra strike. Ju to the state of decomposition, professor giants was then able to determine whether she had been sexually assaulted. It was determined that the victim had likely been killed awake prior to being discovered, but the grass beneath where the body had been found, show to no discoloration, indicating at had only been dumped Arizona Leah. Using clear at hey steve type. Forensic scientists recovered a number of five is from the shape, including yellow wool and Brown Nylon fibers which appear to have originated from a mustard colored cop it. They sang yellow when debris on fob is where roadside fan in the rope that had been used to tie shape. An electronic message was sent out to police forces around the country to inform them that an unidentified body had been found. The message caught the attention of detective. Chief Superintendent Bump. Tyler of the West Yorkshire Police, who had been investigating Julie DOTS disappearance? Julie had a chipped tooth, leading Superintendent Tyler to win quiet whether the unidentified. Shed this characteristic. When it was confirmed that she did. Julie's dental records were summoned and on Saturday July twenty. The victim was positively identified as eighteen year old Julie Dot. That not. Superintendent Tyler went to Lynn Dot time to inform her of the news bringing with him. The gold wished by ring recovered from Julie's body. The devastated mother identified the ring as a gift she had given Julie for her eighteenth birthday fall. MONTHS, prior. Witnesses who had seen anything suspicious in the area knee Bob Skilton. FEMME were encouraged to come fullwood. Several individuals reported that two hours before Julie's body was found. They had been traveling on a bus along hotdog road in eastern when they noticed the red car up ahead and to the rot. Vehicle was approaching the road from track next to the posture with Julie's was found and was being driven by a watt loan. Police had initially considered whether. Roy Friend Dominick Murray could be responsible for her off. However he didn't own a car and two days before. Julie's disappearance, he had sustained an injury that would have made it impossible for him to dispose of her body alone. At Two am on Sunday July seven. Hey and Julie had been walking home together after a not drinking at the pub. And Judy. Constable noticed that Julie could hardly stand and that her face was swollen and to lip was bloody. Dominique who was propping her up and slapping her, said the constable intervened and Dominique fell breaking his ankle. He and Julie would take to the hospital and kept their over not with Dominic, having a cast put on his left foot. Julie's older friend Markle Walter who had alerted the army recruitment office to her theft. He's bankcards was also considered a suspect. The leaving he had a motive. Police arrested him, but questioning awake after Julie's disappearance. He was released on Thursday July attain, but police ordered that he be kept under constant surveillance. As. He was still being monitored. Win. Julie's body was discovered the next day he was ruled out as a suspect. Three days after Julie's body was found, the police received another letter claiming to bay from the Kid Napa. This talk to message had been sent from Layton Railway Station and was postmarked Sunday July twenty two. At Red. Woods will never be able to express my regret. That Julie Dot had to be killed. But I did warn what would happen if anything went wrong. At the time of this letter, there has been no publicity. If. You do not find the body within a few days I will contact to you as to the location. She. Was Not right does sexually abused or harmed in any way until she met her and. She was taught up and he'd a few blows to the back of the head to render her unconscious and then strangled. She never saw what was to happen. Never felt no pain or knew anything about it. The? Firebomb was not left as promised has the seal unto ran? Their combustibles must have got knocked in transit and smell with badly, so it was never placed. Owens furniture store in Coventry was to be the target. A, still require the same money's as before under the same conditions. If you want to avoid serious fire damage and any further prostitutes lives place an ad in the personal column of the Sun To raid. Let's try again for Julie's sake. Convinced the LEDA was genuinely pen to by. Julie's Killa on Saturday July twenty seven. The police placed an ad in the sun paper as instructed. On Tuesday, July thirty, they received a handwritten lead up from the KID NAPA acknowledging the ad and warning that another hostage would soon be taken. He instructed constable a net satanist to travel to a particular python alongside the M, one motorway in the county of less dot that evening and a white. He's coal. Constables Zeke. nece waited by the payphone as directed. When the call came instead of speaking directly into the phone to kidnap are played an audio recording. Constable Zeke. Nurse explained that she was unable to heed the message over the noise of the traffic. But. The line went dead. Two days later on Thursday August one. The kidnap US sent another letter ordering councils Zeke Nest to return to the same payphone in less stop on Tuesday August six. She relied days instructions, but no Cole came through. Three days off to that police received a letter from the Kid Napa explaining that he'd been unable to find a suitable hostage in time. He told Constables Dayton S to return to the phone booth. Bone Wednesday August fourteen at eight fifteen pm. Threatening quite. This will be the last time you will receive a coal. They usual location. Should anything go wrong? You will not then be given the location of the incendiary device or the prostitutes buddy. On August fourteen, the Cole came through as promised, and the kidnap is spoke to constables directly. Climbing to have abducted a sex work named Sarah Davies from the town of veep switch. He provided directions to another phonebox. Need the m one motorway and told constables ignace to Bay de by nine forty five pm. She arrived in Thanh, but when she answered the coal, the kidnapping, said heating candid some problems and would call back in half Ella. The phone rang again thirty minutes later, but the fines cradle had jammed and constables eight struggled to answer it. But the Tom. She was able to pick up the RESEDA the Kula had hung up. Constables weakness waited for another half. Ella, but the phone didn't ring again. The West Yorkshire Police checked whether anyone named Sarah. Davies had gone missing from hips, which but no reports of this nature had been made. They concluded that the Cole had allied about the kidnapping in order to increase pressure from police. The following day, cement will. Donate the disused railway bridge on the M one motorway near the phonebox that had jammed when they found what appeared to be a smoke bomb. The device was shaped like Eighteen Kane and attached to one end was a wire and a small red plastic cube. Responding offices from the South Yorkshire Police were unaware that their colleagues in West Yorkshire had been interacting with a possible extortionist and suspected that Voss was a fake. This was confirmed by a bomb disposal officer who arrived on the scene to investigate. Knee by police bound a brick that had been painted watt and had an envelope attached. That was mocked with the number three. Inside a hand stenciled note read. A message next bridge, four hundred maters detector on panel carry money. When the news spread to the West Yorkshire Police, they were certain the items had been left by their suspect, and that the issues bridge was. He's intended location for the money draw. To test that theory that carried out a reconstruction, not the sought. Had Constables AAC nece be able to receive the second phone call? The police deduced that she would have been directed to the bridge and the fake incendiary device. From there she would have placed the devos which the suspect had referred to as a detector on her car dashboard and driven to the next bridge, four hundred made his away. They're as per the kidnap is original. He would've intended to stand on the bridge and lower. A dog leash for constables ignace to clip the bundle of money to. To kidnap would've then intended to hole up the money and attempt an escape. Ten days light up a discovery in the South Yorkshire town of bonds. -Ly revealed that the Kid Napa had planned yet another step which police had missed. An envelope labeled with the number. Two was banned tight underneath a show in one of the town's phone booths. In Saad was a note providing directions to the fake incendiary device and two white brick. Investigators determined that the kidnap Napa had actually planned to direct constables ignace, Ted. This payphone burst to receive the instructions. Thought, he's playing, had bank thwarted when the phone reseda jammed that the previous booth? On Monday August, two nineteen police received a lead off from the kidnap off that read. gained. Now abandoned Crimewatch, UK. We'll tell me most of what I wanted to know. You'll have to follow your papers into try again. As you know I never piqued anyone up. You need switch or planted a divorce I didn't need to. Following Julie's unfortunate death. You'd cooperate with anything I wanted. Your records. Julie was picked up on Tuesday July non eleven thirty am. The Raisin Buddy deteriorated so quick was that it was kept in a whealy being in a greenhouse Fatu very hot days. Ahead was wrapped in a tail, but when this was removed to clean her up before dropping her, her hair came away stuck to the blood on the tail. As none of these details about Julie's buddy had been released to the media. The police forwarded the letter to a pathologist to verify the kidnap is claims. Professor Stephen. Jones confirmed that the state Julie's body was seen was consistent with having been stored in a plastic being inside a greenhouse as the killer DISGRA. In order to gain further rinse thought as to the top of individual that would dealing with police retained criminal psychologist pull Britain to create a profile of the suspect. Britain concluded that the suspect was luckily aged in his late forties or early fifties and was a careful plan. As he's led his were riddled with grammatical and spelling errors. He luckily had a secondary level education, but no university degree. In terms of occupation, he luckily worked in a field that required a high level of technical knowledge, but not a high level of technical skills. He wanted to be taken seriously by police and have them engage him as a high level adversary. Old Though nerd. I wasn't the primary aim of the Koran and the suspect probably hadn't killed before. Britain concluded that he would kill again and less was court. As the suspects lead is had been posted from various locations, it was clear that whoever had sent them had the time and freedom to travel. They was sent to a forensic document examiner in Birmingham, who determined that the taught letters were written using an Olivetti manual taught by top right off. That had damage to its taught faces. Several, KS, what missing particular elements including the Loa left portion of the number, zero and pod the lower case F. It was estimated that the machine was between twenty to thirty years old. The handwritten letters were mostly panned using messy capital letters possibly by the kid Napa using. He's non dominant hand. Despite his obvious attempts to disguise his handwriting, consistent phages were noted in how he particular letters of the alphabet. Though the more given that he referred to the West Yorkshire Police by their own name of allayed city police. It was suggested that the kidnap. How could be an older individual with a grudge against the force? An examination of the fake. revealed it had been crafted from a container of fish food that had been painted Silva. The white painted brick was harder to identify. At wasn't of esteemed brick saw and was originally blue instead of a typical read Cala. Chemical and mineral analysis revealed that the break had been made from a particular Klay van at a quarry in the county of Steph Aja. Only one company in the country manufactured this sort of brick, which was used to construct the road gutters. On Wednesday August twenty one. The police held a press conference to share some of the details about Julie's murder that di had intentionally Bain withholding. They revealed that one of the kidnappers lettuce contained indentations from another message that had been written on a shade of Papau placed on top. It read. Mavis will not be in on Tuesday. Fill. On Thursday September twelve Julie's case was covered by Crimewatch. BBC Programme that shed information about unsolved crimes and requested assistance in solving them. Ray Constructions, depicting Jesus lost nine movements, were read along with the red carpet that was spotted by the field where her body was found. The coverage prompted four hundred viewers to phone in with information, including one man who claimed to have had a sexual encounter with Julie One wake before her disappearance. He said the two had met in a lades POB and he lied. A gave Julia lift in his car. They chatted for an hour during which Julie revealed. She had taken up sex work to repay a debt so that she could join the army. Another man cold, asking to speak to Superintendent Bob Tyler directly before abruptly hanging up the phone. This led police to consider on whether the Cooler had been the kidnapper himself. On October Sixteen Nineteen ninety-one after two months of salons. The police were saved another handwritten. Lead up from the KID NAPA. It read. As you nowhere near on my tail, the time has come to collect my one hundred and forty thousand pounds from you. I do not get any biggest sentence for two murders and prostitutes are easy to pick up. He ordered Constables Zeke nest to go to a payphone at the Carlisle train station in North West England at eight pm on Wednesday October twenty, one and two white phase coal. Investigators is confused as October twenty. One was actually a Monday, not a Wednesday. Morava the phonebox. The kidnapper described had been ray hated US earlier. Nevertheless they sent their crime squad to the location on both Monday and Wednesday but received no further contact from this aspect. On October fifteen a menacing LEDA, had also been sent to the London headquarters of British Royal, the Stein Company that operated most of Great Britain's overground rail transport. It had been sent five days prior from the city of stugotz Trent in Staffordshire. Of To taught pages, the author threatened to derail the hospital train and less two hundred thousand pounds in cash was delivered, but to female employees as on Wednesday. October twenty three. The employees as would directed to go to a payphone accrue station in Chesa. To receive further instructions with a Stent, Soda Message Warning. You'll now will be in danger if money, not real. Throughout. The Letta the pro neon way was used repeatedly giving the impression that more than one person was behind the extortions game. Detective Chase Superintendent Pat Fleming from the London. Metropolitan Police was assigned to coordinate the railway, threatening quarry, and begin looking into possible links with other blackmails games, including the Julie Dot case. On Monday October twenty one senior offices from both investigations compared pad, their respective letters and discovered, there were a number of similarities. The included stenciled riding the use of technical language and diagrams and instructed women to act as couriers to deliver money in a similar fashion. As British rail extortionist was requesting that Money Bay delivered on the same day that offices from the Julie Dog inquiry would be carrying out their own operation. Police suspected the perpetrator was attempting to try up their resources. At Seven PM on Wednesday October twenty three, a female police officer went to crew station to a white. The extortionists phone call. Eight minutes light up a cocaine through during which the coal repeatedly asked Hallo before hanging up. The phone rang again. After Woods, but stopped before it could be answered, and the operation was subsequently boarded. On Monday October twenty eight, another letter arrived at British Ryo stating. Congratulations you have now qualified for retribution. De extortionist threatened to take DNA section of a train line and remove an electric local pantograph, which is an apparatus that connects a train to a overhead. Awake later on Monday November four British rail track charge men Dennis. Parton was conducting a routine inspection of the West. Coast Lawn which runs from London to Glasgow. He was focusing on an eight mile stretch that ran south between crew station and stuff station when he came to a bridge near the Steph show village of Mill Mace. Under the Bridge Dennis noticed that of broken concrete Baloch. Some San Stein and a piece of rope would lying between the riles. He notified that British Transport Police who determined that the extortionist had blocked, taught the concrete to one end of the road, and the Saints Stein to the other. Using the concrete and as an anchor, he then the scene Stein and over the train line with the intention of damaging a passing trains pantograph. If this plan had succeeded, the train would have lost Pale, and potentially caused significant damage to both the train and those on board. On Thursday November seven? The Julie Dot inquiry was formerly linked with the British Royal Case and to West Yorkshire Police were awarded responsibility for both investigations. That same day Julius funeral was held in Leeds. Almost four months had passed since her body was discovered and three hundred mourners gathered to pay their respects including a number of police officers who had been working tirelessly on solving her case. Julie's family would devastated by the revelation that she had been struggling with answers and abusive relationship and Jeremy Application and had chosen to Cape Days troubles to herself. Her maternal grandparents Margaret and Havi Aitken had always told their grandchildren to come to them anytime. I needed help. Margaret Lightest stated. I think of Julie Every day. It's still breaks my heart that she couldn't come to us and tell us what was wrong. Police continued to work the case, but no substantial leads emerged. On January. Sixteen nineteen, ninety-two, an inquest into Julie's death was held with the car now ruling her had bain and unlawful killing by person or persons unknown. Six days later on the morning of Wednesday January twenty, two, nineteen, ninety two real estate agents Stephanie slight off was preparing for work. The twenty five year old lived with her parents in Birmingham, and had recently started a new job at ship ways, estate agents an offshoot of one of England's largest insurance groups. Things were going well for Stephanie. She locked to a new job. She had a boyfriend and an active social life, and to just booked the to wake some holiday with a friend. The pair planning to visit the oil. What a picturesque go island set of England that Stephanie had often visited as a child. By the time Stephanie was ready for work. Parents had already left for the day. She gave her two pet cats quick PAT before heading out the door. Her first appointment was scheduled for ten thirty A. M where she would be showing a client named Bob. Southall a rundown. Two story semi detached house, located, one hundred and fifty three turnby road in Birmingham. Bulb had cold ship ways to waive Zolia seeking a list of houses for sale in the sixty thousand pound price range. He had visited the office in person to collect the list before sending a letter, confirming which has he wanted to visit? This was unusual as most perspective, boys typically book to their viewings via telephone. Stephanie arrived at the office at nine am, and spent the first part of her morning, checking her male and following up on client enquiries before driving to make Bob at the turnberry road property. Shortly before noon, Stephanie's many jaw Kevin Watts and another colleague were on their way to a meeting when they drive past one hundred fifty three temporary road, and noticed that Stephanie's car was still parked out the front. They remarked that she'd been at her appointment for an unusually large time. Twenty minutes. Lyda the phone rang at the ship ways office. Receptionist Sylvia Baker answered and a man on the other end stated. Listen Sill Stephanie slide up. She's been kidnapped. It will be a ransom note in the post tomorrow. Contact the police or anybody and she'll die. He then hung up. Stunt Sylvia immediately called Kevin Watts he's meeting and hey quickly returned to the office. Stephanie's Co workers called the number Bugsy South Oh had provided, but it turned out to be connected to a phone booth at a petrol station Kevin and call Lake then hurried to one hundred and fifty three term road. Stephanie's car was still parked out the front. But the house was empty. In the hallway, they fan Stephanie's Cock as as well as the case for the property. On one of the key rings there were several spots of blood and a single long hair. Kevin phoned, the police, and the uniformed officers were immediately dispatched to the House on turnberry road to conduct search. In the upstairs bathroom and at the top of the says they found drops of blood as well as a lodger bloodstain on a wool. Need the kitchen. Offices interviewed shoop ways employees as and installed a phone at the office that good record and trace incoming Kohl's. When Stephanie's Parents Warren and Betty slide off with defraud. They both collapsed in shock and required sedation. They couldn't think of any reason why Stephanie would be targeted, nor did they believe she had any reason to walk straight Haroon disappearance. Detectives from the West Midlands Police were assigned to the case and immediately realized that had been a mistake to send a uniformed officers in response to the report as the kidnap had warned Sylvia not to gold the police. The uniformed officers were quickly withdrawn and replaced with undercover investigators. Shortly after three PM another call came through the ship ways office. A man with a northern accent stated. Jeff's Leeson Stephanie's dropped her case to the house in the whole, so go into luck adopt. The coal was Daiva Sipe fast that it was unable to be recorded. An incident room was set up and immediately embargo was enforced to prevent this story from going public. Ship ways agreed to pay whatever the kidnap at demanded and police were granted permission to sort through the post the Birmingham's Royal Mail sorting office in an attempt to find the ransom Leda as soon as possible. At Five am on Thursday January, twenty three, they found an envelope addressed to sheep ways that contained LEDA and democracy cassette type. The letter explained that Stephanie would only be released if ship ways a great to pay one hundred seventy five thousand pounds seen unmarked bills that would free from tracking devices. The micro cassette faded a female voice saying. This is Stephanie slider. The time is eleven forty five. I can assure you. I am okay and unharmed. Providing these instructions at carried out I will be released on Friday the thirty first of January. She explained that her manager Kevin Watts was to deliver the money on Wednesday January twenty nine. He had to use his own car and would be given. At various points along the way, West Midlands police were aware of Julie Dots murder and the extortion attempt against British rail and wondered whether Stephanie's disappearance could be connected. The similarities between the three crimes appeared to be mounting. But Julian Stephanie's kidnapping had used recorded messages and misspelled the word ransom by adding an a on the. More Iva in all three crimes, the perpetrator provided very specific instructions about how the money was to be bundled. Investigators began carrying out the door perations in the neighborhood where Stephanie had been abducted. They door not houses on temporary road, explaining that there had been a bright in nearby and asked whether the neighbors had seen anything unusual on Wednesday January twenty two. One mentioned seeing a red van revving. It's engine and turning into a lane white that the rear of the houses. Another had noticed a man standing outside of one hundred and fifty three turnberry road, who appeared to be in his early fifties. He was short and were a code with a badge on the left to breast pocket. With little in the way of blades, investigators were forced to Whiten. Say whether the KID NAPA would make contact again. At Two PM on Sunday January twenty six four days after Stephanie had vanished, the phone rang at her parents own. Recording equipment had been set up in anticipation of this moment and Stephanie's father Warren immediately started taping the coal. A male voice on the other end told Warren to listen. Then played a pre recorded message featuring Stephanie's voice. She said. Hello at Stephanie here. Dive allowed me to make a message to you just to let you know that I'm all right and unharmed. While he that West Bromwich Albion locked yesterday to Swazi three to. I want you to know that I love you. I'm not to say too much, and whatever the outcome I'll always love you. Look after the cats for me. The results from the recent football match indicated that Stephanie was still alive. Her parents were both relieved and destroyed while investigators believed that if they followed the kidnap is demands. They might have a chance of bringing Stephanie Home Safely. Stephanie's manager Kevin Watts agreed to help and investigators provided him with strategies to speak with the kidnapper to minimize threats to He's own safety. As the KID NAPA had already demonstrated that he was capable of traveling throughout the country, one thousand detectives from the Midland's police forces, Scotland Yard, and the Metropolitan Police were enlisted to bay, positioned throughout various motorways during the operation. Investigators would follow Kevin from old directions with Becker route just in case. Four female detectives would be on standby to Kaffa. Stephanie, if she was returned safely. While another thirty officers were prepared to spring into action if she was found to bay deceased. Shortly, before five pm on Tuesday January twenty eight the day before the ransom drop the phone rang at shoot ways estate, agency. It was kidnapped are demanding to speak to Kevin. He asked if Kevin had the money and in response. Kevin inquired who was calling. The kidnap responded impatiently. Never mind. Have you got the money for tomorrow? Kevin confirmed that he was getting it and to kidnap a told him to expect a message at three o'clock the following day. The next morning Kevin said goodbye to his wife and daughters, using his finger to rot on love you in the air before getting into his car. At the office, he put a bullet proof vest on Bonetti's works sued. A two way radio was installed in his vehicle and the ransom money was delivered to the office in a sports bag that had a tracking device sewn into the lining. He was decayed bag with him at all times so that the police could constantly tracks whereabouts. At three twenty five pm to kidnap a coal and instructed Kevin to go to the railway station in Glossop town, almost ninety eight miles north of Birmingham, then Ed. He was to head to the payphone in the station's entrance hole where the KID NAPA would call to provide further instructions at seven o'clock. Kevin departed for GLOSSOP with undercover officers trailing behind. As he drive, he used the two way radio to Kate. The police informed about the route he was taking. He arrived at GLOSSOP railway station shortly before seven PM and waited nervously by the phone booth to kidnap a had described. Eventually to kidnap a cold and tell Kevin to leave the station, turn right and go to another phone box about two hundred yards away. There he would find written. Instructions typed beneath show. Kevin followed these orders and fanton envelope in the phone booth marked with the letter ray. In inside was taught to note directing him to drive twenty two miles east towards the town of don't worth where another Leda was waiting in a phone booth. Kevin got back in east car and started driving, but within a minute heavy fog fell all around him, making it difficult to see. The limited visibility hindered his progress, but he made it to the oscillated phone booths by eight fifteen. A. Nuruddin Sawed pointed him towards an off, Elaine, one hundred and fifty yards away and warned. This route Bush Oh if you obeying followed. Once the Kevin was to look for a renoir traffic kind near a small building. It would be back next to the kind which he was to place the money into. Kevin returned to his car again and turned left onto the lane, passing a small wooden sawn. That red ship ways. Was Rough and framed by hedges and low Stein Wolves but he soon spotted a shed with a kind and a large black bag in front of it. Kevin Poole Daiva griped bag and stuff the cash inside. He fancied note, directing him to continue to the end of the line, and then onto another payphone several miles away where another note was waiting. Kevin kept driving forward. Noticing that the Stein Wolves on either side suddenly loomed much higher. Within three hundred yards, he unexpectedly encountered another kind with a stencilled message attached. It explained that a wooden tray with the censoring Saud was perched on one of the woes. Kevin was instructed to place the bag with the money in the trade, and if the SANSA didn't buzz, he could save the money and go. To! Kevin worked to the TRAE, noticing a Suva Rectangular Davos in one of its corners. He James The bagging saw and was relieved when the sense I didn't make a sound. Nervously. He then headed back to his car. Meanwhile the investigators who were monitoring Kevin's movements had struggled to fond a parallel route along the narrow lane and had lost contact with the tracking signal that had been fitted into his bag. While the Tom Kevin delivered the money. They had lost sort of him all together. Kevin had used the two way radio to let the police know that he was about to hand over the cash, but a technical problem had prevented them from receiving the message. As Kevin drive away from the drop off, Saad. He used the to radio again to inform police that he'd successfully dropped off the money. This time he's message went through. Investigators were horrified to learn that I lost contact with their Korea at the most crucial moment as it meant, the kidnapper had luckily managed to escape with the money. Were still they had no idea west Stephanie was or if they just lost their only chance to save her life. When West Yorkshire Detectives heard that their prime suspect for juillet dots murder had slipped through west Midland's polices, comprehensive and elaborate sting. They were furious. Investigators said about the tighening end interrogating everyone dying candid in proximity of the drop off zone, but there was no sawn of the kidnap. Or of Stephanie Slide Aw. Eventually at eleven thirty PM police reluctantly held a press conference to announce that air operation had failed. Although the media, embargo on the story was still being forced, investigated admitted the money had been handed Ovar, but they had not managed to recover Stephanie. Detective Inspector Adrian. Bela's had been tasked with looking after Stephanie's parents. While the operation was carried out and was waiting with them in that family home, the past eight days had been incredibly distressing for Warren and Betty Saliva and the news that Stephanie had not been saved during the operation, though there added to grief. At twelve fifty a M, there was a loud banging at the slightest front door accompanied by the doorbell ringing. 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She reviewed. Blindfolded for a long period of time and adult is confirmed that harass. Thought was temporarily damaged as a result. Blood and tissue samples taken and physical evidence was collected for Monday. Donate her fingernails. Her clothing was also taken into evidence. Stephanie denied that any sexual assault had taken place meaning that it wasn't necessary for doctors to conduct a right kit. After being allowed to Sheila she was transported to a private hospital for monitoring where her parents were allowed to stay in an adjoining room. When she learned that her kidnapper was also suspected of having murdered Julie Dot, she was gonna come with Greif at the thought of what Julie had endured. D Eight. Day media embargo was finally lifted and the next morning Stephanie Story featured on breakfast news into radio programs throughout the country. West Midlands Police assistant trustable. Phil Thomas thanked the press for their cooperation throughout the operation, and said that while the NAPA had escaped with one hundred and seventy five thousand pounds, police had achieved their primary objective of bringing Stephanie Heim. He stated quite. We can now openly get on with the investigation to catch this man. Airing queries, and now willing hand, and we have gained a lot of information which we didn't have before. The media are interested in this story was intense and to light that afternoon. Stephanie appear at a press conference to answer questions about role deal. When asked how she felt upon realizing she had been abducted, she stated. Odd Call at the Tara. You can't put that sort of feeling into words unless you've actually been through it. Stephanie said she was eager to thank her many Kevin Watson person and hoped that she could return to her life as soon as possible. Following the press conference Stephanie returned to the hospital where she spent the next ten days providing evidence about her ordeal to three female offices who was specially trained in debriefing victims. Her Ray Cole was excellent, and she managed to provide a detailed account of the events that unfolded after she met the man claiming to be named Bob Southville at one hundred fifty three term bree road. When Stephanie arrived at the address Bob was already standing by the front door. She described him as aged between forty and fifty five with an average stocky build and detained complexion. He had been wearing the black framed glasses, and a jacket had a badge featuring a train on its left pocket. He spoke with a northern accent indicating he wasn't local to Birmingham. When they entered the Property Bob last few questions about the house, but didn't appear particularly interested. As. They headed upstairs to see the second story Bob pointed to a window, and in quiet whether it was double glazed Stephanie, replied that it was. Stephanie whited nearby while Bob explored the upstairs rooms. As he entered the bathroom Stephanie began to walk it back downstairs, but bob suddenly pointed at the wool, opposite him and asked. Was that out there? Stephanie went into the bathroom and realized he was pointing at a hook which she explained was to hang a tail on. She turned around to leave. The bulb suddenly flew towards her. He was holding a ten to twelve inch north in one hand, and a long flat chisel with a Hook in the ATHOL. A struggle ensued and Stephanie Received Small Knicks to her vice from the north. She grabbed both weapons and managed to bend the Chisel rendering it useless. Stephanie screened and Bob Attempted to cover her mouth with these hand. He then jumped on her, and to grabbed her long hair from behind wrenching her head back and pushing her over the side of the bathtub. Stephanie caught a glimpse of herself in the mirror and sold. Bob was holding enough to her throat. He threatened to cut her throat if she started screaming to which Stephanie responded. Alright calm down. You've got me. Don't kill me. Please don't kill me. Please remember on human. Bob Band Stephanie's wrists together with what appeared to be road from a washing line and placed a noose around her neck made from the same material. He forced her dance Dez yelling angrily whenever she looked directly at him. At the bottom of the stairs he blindfolded and Gagged Stephanie, using her run sky off, then tied her legs with a rope just below the nays. He then steed her through the back of the House and into the garage where he forced her into a vehicle at point. Stephanie was made to lie down on the passage state which had been moved into a reclining position. Face was then covered with a blanket, and a line of rope was taught across the neck to restrict her from sitting up. Bob held off to her stomach and started driving. In order to determine where that would going Stephanie focused on noises. The quality of the roads and the tunes was taking. He eventually who'd I ever in a quiet isolated area and forced stephanie to record the ransom message that he lied a sense her employers. He also explained that he's name wasn't really Bob, but instructed Stephanie to continue calling him that to make things easier. By evening, they reached a rough dirt track. Bob Parked the car and had Stephanie along a gravel path. He pushed. What sounded like a metallic sliding door and lead Stephanie into a room with the Stein floor where he taught her to a wooden chair? He left the room and returned shortly after with some chips for heard away. He, then forced her to change into men's clothing and remarked. A hub you're not claustrophobic. Bob explained he was going to play Stephanie inside a box that was placed inside another box. She was forced to lie down and shuffle fate versed into a long narrow container, which required her to twist her body into uncomfortable corkscrew position. Once. She was seen Bob Todd Stephanie's handcuffed wrists to a metal bar above her head and warned that it she pulled on the bar. Code is placed above would fall down and crush her. He also placed a wire inside the box which he explained was attached to electrodes. That would shock Stephanie if she moved. Bob Todd Stephanie. He couldn't understand why she was so calm to which she responded. On, not com I'm frightened to death. Bob Closed. The lead is the top of her head and said. See you in the morning then. Stephanie spent the night in physical agony. It was freezing, cold and body was in pain from the awkward restricted position she'd been forced into. Terrified. She lay awake throughout the not convinced she would die from suffocation. Who Hypothermia? At her nice distraught point, she noticed a speck of light that appeared to grow and move towards her. As, it came closer Stephanie realized. That resembled the face of Jesus Christ. As she was not religious person division took by surprise, and she wanted whether she had died. The following morning music started playing from a nearby radio. But this stage Stephanie's entire was wracked with excruciating pain and her extremities when NAM. Bob opened the box and seemed surprised to volunteer in such agony. He removed Stephanie from the box and set her onto a chair, rubbing her roms in an attempt to lessen the pain. After giving her a cup of tea and some par H. he explained that he's planned. Was Cape Her hostage until the following? Wednesday January, twenty nine when he would collect, he's ransom money. If she behaved Bob told Stephanie she would be home within a week. Instead of returning her to the box Bob, then allowed Stephanie to stay on a mattress on the floor while he went to work provided, she didn't make any noise or attempt an escape. After he had left, Stephanie began reflecting on Bob's behavior. Although he had been threatening and Volun-, he had also a more humane side and Stephanie wanted if she could appeal to this part of his personality. Deciding her best chance survival was the bay, compliant and polite. She resolved to put her strong people skills to us. Over the following week, Bob returned every morning and evening to give Stephanie Food and to let her use the toilet. At nought, he would answer back into the box. During his visits, Stephanie attempted to humanize herself by chatting with Bob. About the TV programs. She locked to watch. She told him about her boyfriend whom her mother hoped she would marry day. On one occasion Bob brought a German shepherd puppy with him and Stephanie revealed her love of animals. She also confided that she had been adopted at six months old because her parents were unable to conceive, children and Bob appeared moved by this revelation. Although Stephanie was kept blindfolded and bound a majority of the time. She many jd to pay close attention to her surroundings. During her first day in captivity, she heard muffled voices. Knee bought followed by short ringing, sound, and then soy `lance. This Patten repeated. Several times and Stephanie realized she was luckily being held out the back of a store. The sound of an electric soul and banging led her to believe it could be an engineering workshop. In addition. She knew there was a microwave nearby as it made it digging sand. Every time Bob made her par- each. A radio was also close by which played all day and was permanently tuned to base as radio to channel. Stephanie O. Sir heard a bell on what sanded lock and old fashioned cash register and the ringing of a Rotary Stall Fund. The sand trucks, lorries and trains. Could also I be heard regularly passing through the neighborhood? During one conversation. Bob told Stephanie that he was carrying out the ransoms game with a male accomplice whom he referred to as he's made. He described the man as a nasty piece of work and told Stephanie. She was lucky not to be stuck with him. Bob appeared to grow somewhat fund of Stephanie and repeatedly promised that she would be going home yet. He also appeared to take pleasure in scaring her. On one occasion Stephanie told a joke that made. Bob. Blah After which he remarked. I'll have to get rid of that been now. When. Stephanie off which been he was referring to? Bob explained there was a plastic whealy being in the corner that he had planned to dispose of her skin. On Sunday January twenty six. Bob Made Stephanie report a message that he could play for her parents. He had mentioned the result of the recent West Bromwich Albion versus ONC- football match to verify that she was still alive. The next day, he confirmed that she would be going home on Wednesday January twenty nine. On Stephanie's not in captivity. Bob Let her sleep on the mattress instead of inside the box. On the morning of Wednesday January twenty nine Bob, told Stephanie he would be collecting the ransom money from her many Kevin Watts that not and would be back to a between eight and nine PM. He then remarked. Always thinking that it would be nice to have a photograph of you. You know something to remember you by. A, he told Stephanie to remove blonde followed, but Cape. Her eyes closed while he snapped a picture of her. Stephanie was then secured back into the box where she remained for the rest of the day. The radio was kept on allowing her to keep track of the Thanh boy at the hourly news bulletins. Non PM eventually came and went with no sawn of Bob and Stephanie began to worry that he wasn't coming back after all. She became increasingly panicked that she would be left to die a slow painful death alone in captivity. To escape such a fight, she contemplated taking her run off by smothering her face with the do vague. That had been left inside the box with A. At Ten forty five pm Bob finally returned. He. Released Stephanie had her change into new clothes and reassured her that he was taking her home. He's initial plan was to leave her at a police station northbound box, but he drive her back to Birmingham instead and dropped her off near her home. Before he left, he asked for a kiss, goodbye. off to Bain blindfolded and restricted forever awake Stephanie found it difficult to say and walk, but she many Jd to stumble home where she was fun La Reunited with her parents. The police were impressed by the level of data in Stephanie's recollections, and said about having sketch artist create an impression of the perpetrate Main Wall an investigation of the money dropped sought, revealed that the narrow loan with lodge stone wolves that Kevin had been sent to was actually a bridge above an abandoned railway line. Underneath. The bridge offices recovered a rectangular device that had been painted Silva as well as the trade that Kevin had placed the money in which was a wooden draw with a length of washing line attached. It appeared that the kid Napa whited under the bridge, then dragged the drool with the money in it down after Kevin had left. Investigators theorized that he may have escaped on a motorbike arc to avoid police roadblocks. The site of the abandoned Ralway line was part of the country woking trial known as the Dove Valley trial. It was just three miles down the track from the bridge where the painted brick and false incendiary device were found in relation to Julie DOTS case. The two cases were formerly linked into West Yorkshire. Assistant Chief Constable Tom Cook was appointed as the head of the investigation. Stephanie's Abe is what questioned to save. Date noticed anything unusual on the night of her return. A sprite Banca named Les- Barnaby recalled that he'd been watching film in bed around one am when he heard the sand of a car engine revving outside. He looked out the window and saw a Red Austin Metro in the street below. It was owed and muddy, and to the passenger door was slightly open after a minute, a young disheveled looking woman stumbled backwards out of the car and Stugotz down the street in an awkward run. On the evening of Choices Day, February full six days after Stephanie's return police released the first sketch of the suspect. It depicted a middle, aged white male with short dark hair, wearing square black framed glasses. He's face was brought with a square forehead and destroyed knows. Within an hour of going public, more than five hundred people find tips into the police, but none generated any promising lades. Assistant Chief Constable Tom Cook told the media. He was almost expecting to hear from kidnapper directly quite. Perhaps, he might matlock to boast about it if he feels. He is being successful. On, Thursday February six. A letter arrived at the offices of the BBC. Say Yorkshire Television The Sun and news of the world newspapers, the West Midland and West Yorkshire Police and at the workplace of Julie Dots Mother. It claimed to Bay from the Kid Napa, who admitted to abducting Stephanie but denied murdering Julie will blackmailing British Ryo. He wanted to clarify this out of concern for Stephanie's will gain as he previously told her that he never killed anyone and was worried about how she might feel if she thought he had. The letter read. The fact that I could and did carry out the crime extremely successfully is my only satisfaction. I am ashamed, upset and thoroughly disgusted at my treatment of Stephanie, and the suffering on must have caused to her parents. Avondale my is filled with. I wake up during the not actually crying with a little luck. Stephanie will get over it shortly. Myself I do not think I ever will. The lead contained spelling and punctuation errors that matched previous correspondence from the kidnap A. The phrase with a little luck had also been used in one of the letters sent to British rail. These indicated that the same person was indeed responsible for all three crimes and on Friday. February seven snippets of the letter were published in the country's newspapers. Two days later, Stephanie finally left the hospital and was able to return home. A number of reporters had set up camp in the fields. Opposite her house to Cava her coming. She agreed to pose for the cameras with her parents and two pet cats, and was met at the front door by a police officer, carrying a bouquet of flowers. On detectives took shifts guarding the family and escorting them everywhere they went while police dogs, and they handle is patrolled the land between the House and the nearby motorway. Interest in the case was unrelenting and Stephanie was inundated with large financial losses in exchange for an exclusive interview. Police advised her to negotiate a deal with one newspaper as this would prompt all other outlets to back off. She decided to sign a contract with the Sun newspaper. As it was the paper, her father read, and also had the highest number of raiders. Stephanie wanted to use her experience to alert women to the possible dangers, they faced and suggest ways that could protect themselves. From the outset of the investigation police had intentionally withheld significant details from the media, and they eventually chose to release this information on an episode of babies as Kron Watch. The show Ed on the evening of Thursday February twenty with fifteen million viewers tuning in to watch. For the first time it was publicly revealed that they kidnap a drove a Red Austin Metro that he appeared to have a connection with British railways and that Stephanie had been held hostage in a workshop environment. The recorded phone call between the Napa and Watson was also played prompting one thousand phone calls to police and to the Chrome Watch headquarters. Forty eight year old Susan Oak had been out when the shell wed, but she had tight does so she could watch it live on. The case had caught Susan's attention. As the sketch of the suspect resembled her ex husband. Michael Sam's who will so drive a red car similar to the one witness to need the location where Julie Dodds body was found. The more the suspect had reportedly worn a railway badge when he's code. and Michael loved trains. However Michael had one leg amputated thirteen years earlier, and the suspect wasn't said to have a limp, so Susan deemed it unlikely that her rex could bay responsible. She primarily wanted to say the crime, watch episode to lay her suspicions to rest. At Eleven PM on the not the episode Ed Susan play the tape. Upon hearing the voice of the Kid Napa she let debt of her chair and shouted. It seem that's Mike. Michael Benjamin Sam was born on August eleven nineteen, forty, one in the West Yorkshire town of Caisley. He had a conventional middle class upbringing, and was abroad child who did well at school, although struggled with spelling and grandma. At the age of Twenty Sam's joined the merchant navy, but returned to his hometown a year later and trained to work as a lift engineer. He met his first wife Susan when he was installing lifts at her workplace. The young couple Mary don't July eighteen nineteen sixty four and went on to have two sons. By nineteen seventy SAM said started his own business servicing central heating boilers and was often so busy that he rarely saw his wife and children. He dedicated any spare time he had to trainspotting at term used to describe the hobby of watching trains. Sam's was fascinated by RYO transport. He collected train memorabilia and displayed a railway in a spare room. In Nineteen, seventy, three SAM's suddenly became ill and was rushed to hospital. Doctor suspected. Enjoyed US and inflammation of the membranes around the brain and spinal cord, but tests were inconclusive. Sam's managed to make a recovery, but thereafter he was prone to mood swings and violent outbursts. Hey in Susan argued frequently with Sam's often becoming physically and sexually aggressive. He started writing his wife and subjected her to humiliating sexual abuse. In Nineteen, seventy six Susan left. Sam's taking the couple's two sons with her. Sam's begged her to take him back while also threatening if I caught. Have you nobody else will? On one occasion, one of same's employees told Susan that Sam. Said offered him money to kill her. Sam said also bragged to the employees that hey new had to carry out the perfect to kidnapping. Samson Susan divorced in Nineteen Seventy, seven and that same year Sam stole a car, resulting in his first recorded criminal offense and to nine months in prison. While serving his sentence Sam's begin experiencing significant pain in his right knee. He was dog nosed with cancer, and to prevent the disease from spreading his leg was amputated above the knee. Sam's was released stuff the serving six months. Three weeks later, he married a woman named Jane whom he met through a line. Lee Hautes personal side. However, Jane soon became unhappy in the relationship and ended the marriage in nineteen ninety one. The next year SAMs began work as a palatal repairman for blackened deca. In Birmingham, he met third wife Tina after she placed personal ad in a local newspaper, and he soon opened his own tool repair shop in the town of Peterborough Cambridge, CIA. Sam's often criticized Tena and pestered her for sex, which caused their marriage to deteriorate within a few years. He once threatened to Goto laid to find a sex worker saying he knew which areas they frequented. Despite being unhappy, the couple stayed together and eventually moved to the village of Sutton on Trent, which was approximately halfway between Leeds and Birmingham. Sam started his own business repairing power tools and had a shop in the nearby town of new ICK. Susan Oak had to do with her ex husband, and though her son still saw him occasionally. In mid February, Nineteen, ninety-two, Sam's the Dodd and Susan attended his funeral where she saw Sam's for the first time in four years. He appeared strange and divisive refusing to make eye contact or give Susan a lift to the cemetery in his Red Austin Metro. He's voice and peculiar behavior was still clear in Susan's mind several days later when she watched the Crime Watch episode, and she had no doubt that hey was responsible for the crimes. She immediately called the crimewatch hotline, but it was busy, so she reported her suspicions to the Julie Dot Incident Room in Leeds instead. One of her sons also called Crimewatch back. He's about this report. Among the hundreds of calls that were coming through the West Yorkshire. Police quickly prioritized Susan's information and two offices were dispatched to her home. But, who I am markle SAM's had officially Bain placed on the suspect list along with four other individuals. At Ten Forty Im Friday February. Twenty, one full high ranking officers were dispatched to Sam's residents in Sutton on Trent. He's wife. Tina answered the door and explained that her husband was at work. One of the detectives noticed an abundance of railway paraphernalia, hanging on the walls of the house, including photographs of trains and salvaged engine nameplates. Then it was also a moped, a German shepherd and a fish tank. These details were significant as a fish food container had been used to construct the incendiary device found in the Julie Dot case. Stephanie had also been Sharon, a German shepherd puppy walling captivity and police believed the kidnap may have driven a motorbike of some kind when picking up the ransom money. The offices told Tena. They would return at five pm, but then rushed to Sam shop ice malls away in Newark hoping that Tena Wooden alert him to their visited. They pulled up at the address where a hand stenciled saw and read tain dem tools. Samsa Red Austin Metro was parked outside and a railway law and ran nearby which could account for the? That Stephanie heard during her time in captivity. In sawed tools were hanging on the wall and cash registers sat on the Canada. But nobody was there. A number of other phages aligned with Stephanie's recollections. There was an old rotary stall telephone, a mark per wave abell above the door and to radio playing that was chained to BBC. Say Radio to. One of the offices cold out. And Sam's emerged from behind a curtain stating. A pain expecting you. What is it you want? The offices explained that he was under arrest. fisa species of abduction and murder, relating to Julie Dot and Stephanie Slide. Sam's retorted. You've got the wrong man. You were making a big mistake. He was taken to the nearest police station and held for questioning. A young constable tasked with guarding Sam's to what he was in four. Seems replied. Suspicion of murder into action. Didn't you watch crime? Watch lost, naught. The constable said that he hadn't and asked. Whether seems was referring to the Stephanie a case. Seems responded. Yes, the evidence is in the workshop. I didn't do the murder. I don't know how they've linked the two. Stoddard the constable Sam's if he was responsible for Stephanie's abduction. He replied. Yeah. But I didn't do the other one. Sam's was taken to the station sergeant to repeat his admission. He stated. I've done that kidnapping of not done the murder. Promised Stephanie that she'd go. And she did. Following this confession Sam's was stripped, searched and to give a new clothes with these darn sent off the forensic testing. As he was moved throughout the station, he continued to provide further details to the young constable whenever the two were left alone. Sam's explained to that he was annoyed when the real estate agency sent a woman to the property at one, hundred, fifty, three to embry road, as he would have become less emotionally attached to a Mayo hostage. He also boasted about successfully hiding the fact that he had a prosthetic leg from Stephanie and data that he only carried out the kidnapping because he was bored and align -ly. Sam's first formal interview commenced to light that often. Hey repeated. He's confession and explained that he'd buried most of the ransom money after dropping Stephanie home. He said that he only asked for one hundred seventy five thousand pans, because it's same to lock realistic amount that would be manageable to carry. That's on. The interview ended. News had broken about the arrest. Sam's was transferred to a police station in Birmingham where angry crowds whiting out the front, a hill abuse as he was rushed inside. Main Wall. Forensic investigators had been inspecting Sam's workshop for evidence and found ten thousand pounds in cash. They discovered that the chamber kept Stephanie in was accustomed built Timbo box that had been placed inside a sideways plastic. whealy been? A number of human, his matching Stephanie's fanned while other dod strands of hair looked like that could belong to Julie Dot. Deluded bloodstain was found an old curtain, which someone appeared to have attempted to wash away with water. There wasn't enough blood to obtain a DNA profile, but the blood top was identified as the same as Julie's. Grand Norlin five is on the workshop floor also matched those vans on the shades used to wrap Julie's body. An inspection of Sam's computer revealed a disturbing would document reading in the stall of police statement. It explained that he had picked up a young sex worker named Julie from lades who said she worked at the Leeds? General Infirmary. She mentioned having a boyfriend whose name began with Deo, but she stopped herself before revealing. He's honing. The two had sex during which Sam's noticed that Julia had a number of bruises on her body. Afterwards she wrote the name Julie Day on a business card and told him. I will be around here. Some evenings I'll get dropped off about ten forty five and collected around eleven thirty. Seems claimed he'd returned to the area of few days light. But didn't say Julia again. Investigators also searched the to repair shopping. Cambridge Shah. That Sam said run several years earlier. There they found a number of unusual bricks that matched the one fanned during Julie. Dot Investigation. That break had been painted Watt and had an envelope attached with instructions and a forensic examination revealed that it had been made from blue colored clay. The bricks fanned. It seems fullness shop where of the same source and Carlo. Sam's wife Tina, told investigators that she and her husband had watched the latest episode of Krahn Watch together, and that seems commented that the suspect sketch looked like him ten years prior. Tena had a great and joked. You've got a metro and you live near a railway lawn. It's a good job. You've got eighteen leg. When Sam's mother was questioned Shea said that he entertainer had visited her on July. Twenty, one, nineteen, ninety one. This matched the date that Julie Dot. Killa had posted a to the police from Leeds Railway Station. Tina confirmed that she and her husband had stopped at the station during debt trip while other journey Sam, said made also aligned with deitz that other random letters had been sent. Sam's ex wife Susan Oak was shown some of these letters and confirmed that the spelling and grammatical errors matched those she'd seen before in Sam's riding. On Saturday February twenty two, the police continued, took formerly interview Sam's about Stephanie's kidnapping. When talking about Stephanie. He often started crying, saying that he couldn't bring himself to hurt her. Sam's adamantly denied having anything to do with the Julie Dots. Moda all being familiar with chapel towns read a lot district insisting he was incapable of hurting a woman. When the police pointed out that Julie's body was disposed of in a willy being, and the had made a similar threat to Stephanie SAMs dismissed. This says a coincidence. The dies interrogation concluded and police applaud for thirty six hour extension on Sam's detention said they could continue questioning him. Joe Alie. The following morning Sam's provided investigators with a lengthy written statement in which he claimed to have an accomplice in Stephanie's kidnapping. He said he paid the accomplice twenty thousand pants to drive him to the GLOSSOP railway station, which was the first thought that Stephanie's manager. Kevin Watts was directed to leaving. Sam's with a moped and other equipment. Off the. Sand had successfully obtained the ransom money. The accomplice picked him up and insisted that Stephanie be killed. Seems refused and a violent odd -ment broke up between the two men. The accomplice only relented when Sam's off to give him a majority of the money. Sam's claimed that it was his accomplice, who was responsible for blackmailing British Rio and for murdering. Julie Dodd. The accomplice had allegedly kept Julie Todd to a bed in chalet on the east coast of England and debate her with a hammer when she tried to escape from, he's sexual abuse. Sam's also claimed that he's accomplice had qe two SAM's workshop and had used these computer on multiple occasions. Sam's refused to name this individual out of fee. He might harm Stephanie in retaliation. Investigators did not believe that another individual was involved. Instead they were convinced. This seems way of explaining the evidence. That linked him to the other two cases. Dye obtained a writing sample from Sam's and had an expert. Compare it to the handwritten letters from Julie Dots case. The sample featured a number of notable similarities to the letters including fourteen identical spelling errors. The expert concluded that seems was the author of the letters. On Monday February, Twenty Four Marco Sam's was only charged with the kidnapping of Stephanie Slider as well as unlawfully holding her prison, a- and demanding one hundred seventy five thousand cans from her employer with menaces. Two days later, he was also charged with the murder of Julie Dodd and with demanding one hundred forty thousand cans with menaces from West Yorkshire Police. Sam's was remanded in custody pending trial during which she continued to undergo interviews with the police. During one interview, he suddenly confessed to another filed kidnapping tent. Sam's admitted that one week before Julie's disappearance. He made an appointment to view a house with Nottingham. Real Estate Agent Forty two year old Carol John's. He went on with a NAF and rope intending to a doctor. But his plans were foiled when a Bill Daw working on the house, next door started chatting to him while he waited Ficarra to arrive. Sam's ended up leaving before Carol got their. Investigators spoke with Carol giants. Who remembered that? Her client was a no show that day. One of her colleagues, Karen, Langdon recalled going to meet a client at that same Nottingham Property. Upon her arrival, she had been approached by a man carrying a clipboard who was wearing glasses similar to Michael Sam's. He walked away at the last moment and Karen noticed he walked with a slight limp. But Carol and Karen was shocked to learn. They had escaped to brush with a kidnapper. Karen was particularly shaken as she had resigned from her job after Stephanie. Slight is abduction out of fear of the risks involved. Michael Sam's eventually admitted to writing the ransom letters that claimed his accomplice had forced him to do side. As he maintained that this individual had the majority of the ransom money funding the cash became a priority for investigators as it would disprove Sam's claims about a second perpetrate off once and for all. To witnesses had reported that in July of Nineteen ninety-one. They remain with a walking stick on a disused railway track less than one mile from where Julie's body was found. Seems denied ever visiting the area except for one occasion when he visited a popular trainspotting destination named Stoke Summit. Police spoke with a retired colonel from the Special Air Service specialized in funding arms caches. Hey advised that the money would likely be buried in a remote location was closed to public access. Based on this voss and the witness citing police honed in on the stoke. Summit railway men located one point seven miles from where Julie's buddy had been dumped. On December to nineteen, ninety two just over ten months after Stephanie's kidnapping, they used grand probing radar to D in the area. Eight inches below the surface they vanda black tray wrapped in polythene, talked with a newspaper dated February six, Nineteen ninety-two. Inside their stacks of banknotes. Wins. Sam's heard about the discovery. Hey, told police. The postle was one of two. He'd prepared, but claimed that it must have been buried by his accomplices. To days later buried sixteen fade away from the first police recovered the second parcel of money. We'll LOP. They recovered all of the ransom money less twelve and a half, thousand pounds, which was never found. Michael Sam's trial commenced that the Nottingham Crown Court on June nine, nine, hundred, ninety three. He pleaded guilty to the charges relating to Stephanie Slide. But not guilty to Julie's abduction and murder, and not guilty to the attempted extortion of British Ryo. I've attuned a half days. The prosecutor delivered a dramatic opening speech day tally. What hey dubbed Michael Sam's campaign of crime? Julie, dot was known to be terrified of confined spaces and was described as someone who would have fought back against an attacker. The prosecution's theory was that Julie had luckily attempted to escape from the box Sam's Durian and San had dang killed her at a feed that she had seen too much. The prosecution believed that Stephanie had survived because she had played along with Sam's demands. When Stephanie took disdained to deliver her testimony, she kept her eyes to the ground while Sam's Song in the background. The defense cold. Michael Sam says their first witness. Hey maintained that he's accomplice had murdered Julie Dot and had forced Sam's to rot. The ransom lead his. As Stephanie's. Kidnapping Hey claimed he was financially motivated to commit the crime because he wanted to buy KNAUSS S for his wife in an attempt to mend their relationship. During Cross examination. Sam's refused to name Julie's Killa saying he would only do so at the conclusion of the trial after proving himself innocent. The prosecutor accused. Sam's of lying stating quite. You cannot bring yourself to admit that you killed Julie Dot and like a little child. You have invented this friend. The trial ran for four weeks and on July. The jury retired to consider verdict. They deliberated for three and a half hours before declaring Michael Sam's guilty of Oh charges including Julie's murder and the British. Rail extortion attempt. Though seated in the public gallery applauded and cheered while Stephanie slider cried and mouthed. Thank you to the jury. Julie's Martha Lynn Dodd cried out you Boston. Before bursting into tease. Sam's showed no emotion as the judge addressed him directly, saying quote. You are an extremely dangerous into evil man. The jury has convicted you up the murder of Julie Dodd. That was murdered in cold blood at kidnap gone wrong because she saw more than she should. Undeterred by the horror of what you had done. He tried to turn her death to your advantage. When Stephanie slider was kidnapped. not the slightest doubt that she was in desperate and mortal danger. The ordeal that you inflicted on her is something that the rest of us can only imagine? Her survival in my judgment is entirely jude to her Ryan remarkable moral courage. That he's crimes against. Julian Stephanie, the Judge Sentenced Sam's to four lifetime's. He also received concurrent ten year sentences for age of the blackmail attempts and the attempted extortion of British Ryo. When Stephanie was lighter Ross Tau. She felt she remarked. He shouldn't have done it shoot he if he was going to cry like that off the what he is done. I can show him tease. Can show him. Lots of teas stronger upsetting natural teas. Outside Court Lynn Dr told reporters quote. On know we will never have Julie Back I say know that justice has been done at last, and to that based SAMs, and that's years has got what he justly deserves. Sam's was sent to serve. He sentence at full Sutton prison in Yoga. Four days off. He's conviction. He requested to speak with West Yorkshire Detective Superintendant Bob Tyler who had been in charge of the Julie Dogging Quarry. Sam's told the detective that he had seen a photo of Julie DOTS headstone on television and to noticed that it didn't have an exact date for her death. Consequently, he had decided to come clean as he wanted Julie's mother to know when her daughter had died. Sam's confessed that he had Louisville Julian to his car at eleven thirty PM on Tuesday July nine, nineteen, ninety, one under the guise of harboring for sex work. When she leaned forward in the passage sate to remove her shoes. He placed a noose around her neck and drove her to his workshop. Then he stripped her clothes, tied her to a chair and forced her to ride a ransom letter to her boyfriend. Sam's thanked him. Fond Julie in the box in saw the wheel been like he did with Stephanie. The next day, Julie managed to smash. Show Wyatt but SAM, said set up a trigger mechanism that sent him a phone call to alert him to any escape attempts. Shortly before six PM, the trigger went off and seems Rice Dover to the workshop. Using a hammer, he not to Julie unconscious before strangling her to death. Although. She was no longer alive seems per sated with these extortion attempts, but continuing to send ransom letters to the police. Off The SAM's confession detective superintendant Tyler met with the Julie Dodds Valley to shed this new information. Lynn Dot was finally able to update her daughter's head. Stein with the Julie's exact date of death. She told Yorkshire Television Quite Sam says known for two years that he did it. He knew all through the trial that he was guilty. So why does he now saw to come out and say it? Hey just walked in twisted. He's twisting. And rubbing salt in the wound as well. It is just another game in his book. One month later. Portions of Leda that Sam's had written to his now estranged wife Tina were published in newspapers throughout Britain. Unit Sam's revealed that he had always intended to release Stephanie, and had always plan on killing Julie based on this information. Investigators theorize that Sam's has likely abducted and killed Julie a trial run that he subsequent abductions gain. From the moment. Stephanie slide was abducted. Comparisons made to the nineteen ninety-six disappearance of Suzy Lamp Lou, which was covered in episode, Forty, eight of case file. Suzy was a twenty five year old British styled agent who vanished often going to show a half to a client name to miss the Kipah and turn. The case says never been solved. Stephanie had been well aware of Suzy's disappearance and does a real estate agent herself. She had initially started carrying a personal alarm when she was at showing houses. However by the time of her own abduction, in Nineteen ninety-two, the memory of Suzy's tragedy had faded and Stephanie, no longer carried the ALLOM. During her taunt being held hostage. Sam's had assured Stephanie that he had nothing to do with Suzy's disappearance. But after he's arrest, the media speculated that hey may be responsible. Police dismissed. This theory, stating that Sam's wasn't a likely culprit, but had likely been inspired by the case. In Nineteen, Ninety four, SAM's allegedly sent a lead off from prison confessing, too suzy's abduction, but it was dismissed by Pele says seek hoax. The following year chrome Rod Christopher Berry. Day published a book. Todd unmasking Mr Kipah. Who Really Killed Suzy Lamp Lou? which argued that Sam's was responsible for the crime. The lamp family would never consulted about the book and we're unhappy about its publication. Suzy's mother Diana publicly stated her belief that Berry Day was using her daughter's disappearance to sell his book, which was far more focused on Michael Sam's then on Susie. Stephanie slide off found it difficult to return to normal life. After her abduction, she was unable to return to her job struggled to socialize with friends and ended her relationship with her boyfriend. As a result of being kept in the wooden box, she suffered from chronic back pain as well as anxiety. And, panic, attacks. People recognized her. When, so she altered her appearance and temporarily changed her name in an attempt to create a new identity. Stephanie also struggled with the fact that she had survived while Julie. Dot hadn't been Silaaki. She meant Julie's mother and grandparents and went with Lynn Dot to place flowers on Julie's grave. In an attempt to find closure, Stephanie decided to go back to the workshop where she'd been held. And degrade that television network Central Television could film the visit. Seeing the workshop on blindfolded for the first time, she was surprised by how smaller was and how close it was to a main road. Does she found the experience on no ving had didn't provide the resolution. Stephanie was looking for. In native a fresh start in October nineteen ninety. She decided to relocate to the all of what with her best friend Stacy Cavanaugh. Stephanie had spent many happy some as there as a child, and described it as her own personal heaven on earth. The following year she began working as a pot Tom to a god at a historic castle. This help to give her law focus and encouraged her to speak to strange's again. Stephanie developed a close Knit Circle of friends and attributed her recovery to the support of her loved ones. Stephanie decided to write a book about her ordeal in the hubs. Her story might help this. Todd beyond fee Ma will to survive. The book revealed that Stephanie had in fact. Obtain Right to by Michael Sam's during her first nod as a hostage. She had originally withheld the information as she was terrified that the truth would devastate her mother who had health problems and had suffered a heart attack following Stephanie's kidnapping. On the not Stephanie had been released from captivity, her mother had begged her to say that the kid Napa hadn't touched her. And Stephanie decided not to raise the issue. In, the months and years that followed the only person she told about the ripe was her friend Stacy. While Stephanie was in the process of writing a book. It was reported that Michael Sam's also intended to write a book claiming that he and Stephanie were in love and had a consensual affair. Stephanie was incensed by the claims lightest fighting quite. At felt as if all was being right Dole over again. Always, taking antidepressants and drinking heavily to try to stop the flashbacks, not mass. Always drinking two bottles of one, and not in the hope of sinking into some kind of oblivion. Stephanie's Co Rawda. Convinced her not to let Sam's bully her and she persevered with telling the truth in her book. She later said that this decision was quite. The best thing I ever did I just wish dot of done it earlier. When the ripe became public knowledge following the book's publication in Nineteen ninety-five Michael Sam's threatened to sue Stephanie Fallible but was prevented from doing so by the Prison Service. On October. Twenty four, nineteen, Ninety five probation officer Julia flack was in her office when Michael Sam scented without warning armed with shop and Metal Rod. He'd stolen from a prison workshop. Julius screamed for help and pressed an alarm button, but seems through lunch. Try it her and proceeded to Headbutt her. Another prison hood the attack and came to Julie's rescue. He managed to other POW Assam's of Boll. Prison offices arrived seconds light off. Jude, to these quick intervention Julia only required Mona medical treatment. Sam's was transferred to the prison's segregation unit and charged with false imprisonment and attempted murder. In February nineteen ninety-seven, he altered to defend himself trial. Sam said he had committed the attack because he was angry that the prison service had prevented him from Suing Stephanie. He had also wanted to sell some paintings charity that days had been confiscated. He claimed to have vented Julia Flax Office to stage a peaceful demonstration and had planned to hold her hostage until police were code at which point he intended to take his own life. Jury Band Banned Sam's guilty of false imprisonment, but not guilty of attempted murder, and he was sentenced to a the eight years. He's now among the oldest tend to longest serving life sentence prisoners in England and Wales. Over the years Stephanie slider continued to use her traumatic ordeal to help others. She helped various police. Departments improve their interactions with kidnap victims and provided support to other survivors of crime. In two thousand eleven, she said quite. The full, and this happened I had a boyfriend, a job and a company car I had loads of friends and a great social life. But seems took everything and destroyed the next twenty years of my life. But now I am ready to begin again. Most people begin their lives in their twenties and thirties, but does years of my life were destroyed. In a two thousand twelve interview with the journalist Kate Wilkinson Stephanie said. I ran away from my name Steph, for a long time, because of everything was attached to. But, the thing was didn't realize when all was running. Sir bossed that I've actually come back into contact with her again. This time around on proud of what she's done and on proud of what she survived. and Dov embraced it again. I'm not going to run away from Stephanie slider any more because and her again and it's May. So Nail, take on board. What happened to May by us? It and hopefully held. Through it. Stephanie continue to living on the isle of what West she and her best friend. Stacy might plans this. Start a ghost to a business using a restored nineteen sixty six camper van. However in August two thousand, Seventeen Stephanie was diagnosed with liver cancer at the age of fifty. And died just eleven days later. The funeral was held at the all of white crematorium on September fourteen. Mourners traveled in her vintage. Camper van while her coffin was carried in a second Silva Kampe. Stephanie's friend Stacy Kevin Na said. We have had a unique and epic friendship at twenty five years, and shed so much together good and bad times. On, no, that she truly never got over the events that shaped her life so dramatically in January, nineteen, ninety two. It's been an honor and a privilege to base Stephanie's best friend. The West Midlands Police also pay tribute to Stephanie in a statement that read. To Stephanie's courage and bravery over the years, and for the work she did in helping police officers and victims by sharing her experience. Journalist Kate Wilkinson who worked with Stephanie on a documentary in the nineteen nineties said. There's no doubt her reference helped to pave the way but better support for victims. She also helped raise awareness of the possible dangers faced by estate agents meeting clients alone. For her bravery and campaigning work many people low Stephanie a great debt of gratitude.

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