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Follow me here founded by disruptors. In one case, it was criminals in the other techniques, both had similar early mission statements, Facebook, move fast and break things, Australia, let's pollute the Great Barrier Reef but mostly I think it's about each one's relationship with invasive species. So with Australia, you got your feral donkeys. They have a population of about five million. They eat a lot of grass. They are not native to Australia, and so they've decided the Australians have we need to shoot them from helicopters and shooting them from helicopters. They are. It is called mustering the donkeys. Donkeys can also be Steph. Allies to control their populations. But you try to find a donkey Dong doctor in Perth, this time of year. If you know what I'm saying. The state of Victoria pays ten dollars for every feral FOX is killed. They've paid over a million dollars in bounties this year, which is like Facebook. Facebook has this nice little ecosystem, they thought, but all these invasive species just running wild with hacks and scammers and fake news and phishing scams. And all they try to do is is shoot them from helicopters. Just try to eliminate them one by one, but it's overrun why? Well, donkeys just don't belong in Australia and Facebook just cannot be trusted with your data. Why would we think it could be Facebook is optimized to spread information not to contain it. It'll be like if the town gossip also had a job as the intake clerk at the hospital and was a proficient ham, radio operator. You know how Houdini explained that. Some of the reason that he was able to be an escape artist. Is that safes for instance, I don't know why we don't say saves, but safes, for instance, were designed not to be broken into as opposed not to be broken out of it's the same with Facebook. Facebook is a fire hose, not a filter. Now, contrast this with Google Google data breach, Facebook, fifty million data, five hundred thousand. All right. So one percent of the size. And then in response to this, they just shut down the whole service. There is no more Google plus it was a screw up, but it was a bold fix now. True. Google plus wasn't doing much business for Google, but I have a theory on this theory. One is that all businesses with plus in their name kinda suck like blinds plus, and there was a short-lived pizza place in my town called pizza. Plus Cal zones, I guess, cows zones where the plus, if you don't. You don't care enough to think of a good name. Don't care enough about your business, but Google plus was also a failure because it is in the same business or tried to be in the same business as Facebook. And that is a crap business. I don't mean it's not REM unitive. I mean, it's slathering society in crap, Facebook as a brand to me, the associations I have are something loud and garish and depressing. Like a Hardee's or a huddle house, you know, huddle house house like an off brand waffle house, but at least huddle house knows what it is. This incompetent in cautious, half as brand that is Facebook is a menace to accuracy and it is an accelerator avenge Zayed's. I just wonder for how long can this? What seemed to me this shambles of a company in every way, except that it makes a ton of money. This shambles of accompanied convince us that it is irreplaceable. Well, at the same time, having a major headline every month, a headache headline every month NAMA stay. Mark Zuckerberg, please move quickly to fix things on the show today. I feel about a seemingly unconstitutional attack on abortion, but first, Saudi Arabia has not only reportedly killed a dissident journalist, and that's why they're in the news in the immediate sense, but they have been overseeing and funding and participating in a war in Yemen that has been going on for years, and the bodies have been piling up. That is, of course, to some extent the nature of war, but America seems to be entirely uninterested in curtailing the actions of our great oil producing ally, though. Maybe the question is, what could America even do the Trump administration wanted to? Actually, I happen to know that definitely is a question among the many that I am about to put to an expert on the war in Yemen. Michael nights is up next. I'm Juliet Turner. The editor in chief of slate, and I've got a new podcast about women and work called women in charge. There's no female way to be a boss, and they're also aren't enough female bosses demographically speaking. And so in this podcast, I set out to find women in charge in all kinds of industries from TV online retail to the military to academia, too fancy pants restaurants. And in each episode I ask these women how they lead and how things are changing for women in their fields, get women in charge in apple podcasts or wherever you listen. The ongoing war in Yemen is one of the worst Umana -tarian catastrophes. In the world today, an estimated fifty thousand have died of famine resulting from the war. The war itself has killed ten thousand possibly more combatants. What is so confusing to me is the disparity in resources between the two quote unquote sides of the war. The Saudis are the main actor pursuing the rebels and Saudi Arabia, depending on which measure you use spends either the third or fourth most on their military of any country in the world. And of course, a major military supplier of the Saudis is the United States, which by far spends the most on its military. On the other side, you have Yemen which according to a prominent ranking of the world's most prosperous societies and they ranked one hundred forty nine societies Yemen ranks. Hundred forty ninth. That doesn't mean they're not without military backers, but we seem to have an extremely rich well-funded source on one side against extremely poor combatants on another. How is this war been dragging on for so long joining me now to answer some of these questions is Michael nights, his a senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy specializes in Iraq, Iran, the Persian Gulf now Yemen. Thank you for doing this. How are you? Yeah, I'm very well. Thank you. Thanks for having me on. So sometimes very, very poor societies based on measures like average income don't reflect the fact that the military's are well funded, and in fact, the military's are a source of poverty in the country. Is that what's going on in Yemen? Well, it shouldn't made true that in Yemen. The military was favored by the full Mirage of ousted president, Elliott, Donna Sala. The military was often running the days, fuel smuggling networks within the country. So it kept control of many of the key levers of power. But one thing I would say is that this isn't a conflict between Saudi Arabia and Yemen, say Saudi Arabia's actually trying to restore the legitimate Yemeni government to the capital in Sunol intentionally even more of a disparity of resources because it's really wool between Saudi Arabia. The other Arab Gulf states, including the UI and significant portions of the Yemeni government and military that are still with the government, versus I plan from the northern highlands of Yemen cooled, the who 'this who've managed to draw other tribal groups towards them and to take over many of the military. Awesome. That were formerly held by the government? No. If I ask a question like, how is it that such a well-funded military can't crush a group of a ragtag rebels. It would seem like I haven't learned any lessons of Afghanistan via. Vietnam, etc. But what's the specific dynamic going on in Yemen? So the specific dynamic between the Yemeni government and its Gulf back as versus the Hussey rebels is that the host cities all primarily defending the mountainous highlands of Yemen, which is very good defensive terrain, and they're very experienced watches by being fought in the Yemeni government consistently since two thousand and four, and they've been very effective at creating alliances with how the trauma groups and then a place like Yemen. If you drop a bomb on a group of foods, he fighters, you will end up killing people from other tribes as well. And those tribes have now been drawn together with the Jose's, whereas they wouldn't have been very friendly to them ten years ago because Saudi Arabian bomb dropped in one of the villages than now willing to support the. Things. So this is classic guerrilla warfare web OI. The massive resources of Steitz cannot be fully brought to bear against this kind of guerrilla opponent. The guerrillas have terrain, they have trouble connections, and they have a very loan history of fighting to defend specific areas are the Saudi ground forces themselves elite because we quoted statistics about how much the government spends on the military. But that doesn't necessarily mean the fourth best military in the world just because it's the fourth most expensive. Yes, correct. And in some cases, the size of Saudi own forces which is pretty considerable. It's sorta holds them back into the development of their military. Socially Arabia has bought very large numbers of combat crossed chips. So his twin missiles, artillery systems tanks, but it doesn't really have the trying, ma'am. Pile vice to actually failed all of these weapons systems. And I haven't been involved in many wars as a result, the Saudi military spends a lot of money, but it doesn't have a great deal of type ability to undertake offensive operations into a place like Yemen, which would be difficult for any military, let alone and then experienced military like the Saudi military. However, the Saudis do have some elements that are better than others that enforce is pretty good. The special forces and airborne forces are pretty good, and they are only using a very small number of ground forces within Yemen itself, parts of six brigades. So maybe you could say about five thousand troops in all that primarily supporting Yemeni military forces and tribes to do the fighting on the ground. Well, yet tell me about that. Why are the Saudis not committing as much as they could in terms of ground. Forces besides the rebels or besides Yemeni forces, I should say which other countries are involved. You know, what's the strategy and what's been the impact. So the Saudis have a pretty limited. I'm all carving out office zone along the Saudi Yemeni border tonight, their own cities and civilians Sipho. The Saudis won't the Yemenis to do most of the actual fighting. And I both are brought in large numbers of Sudanese forces to operate alongside the Yemenis to provide the bulk of the ground forces. And you can imagine that may the Yemeni forces north Sudanese forces very high quality, offensive forces able to do lightning tank attacks or tight large amounts of ground very quickly. It's a very slow moving wall where the frontline moves forward by a couple of kilometers a month. And that means this could potentially go for a very, very long time. We should point out. This is also not a proxy war who theoretical missiles have landed in the airports in the Saudi capital. So they do share a border and there's not zero risk or you tell me, is there any real risk. Of damage to Saudi Arabia itself from some of these rebels, you know, when shall do you ride BIA looks at. It's neither Yemen. It looks at the same way that the US might look at Mexico or Cuba and we all remember how aggressively the US reacted when they found that the Soviets were emplacing nuclear weapons in Cuba. For instance, in the nineteen sixties. Some threats are just not acceptable to Saudi Arabia. And one of them is to have an Iranian-backed country on the Arabian peninsula right next to Saudi Arabia and the Saudis are very concerned that the Iranians will eventually gain a lot of influence with the who 'this in Yemen wrought next door. Even now the who sees of firing schools of missiles every year Riyad and other major cities in Saudi Arabia, and they're far in hundreds. Of missiles and artillery systems at the border towns inside southern Saudi Arabia, which is actually led to a number of Saudi towns being entirely depopulated and evacuated the closure of international airports and migraine Dusko facilities. Is there anything that can be done to mitigate the humanitarian catastrophe that's going on short of just one side winning? Yeah. One obvious thing is to reduce the number of these high risk strategic Asterix that Saudi Arabia is undertaking within Yemen, and that's when they are going into the who sees home towns and by are trying to kill leadership figures all they're trying to destroy. So if it's the surface missile launchers that are being used to strike the Saudi capital of Riyadh, those strikes are extremely. Dangerous and carry very high risk of collateral damage. They very rarely killed a hoot. The leader, and even when they do another, who's he later just pops up into that place and allowed more tribesmen gathered to the Hussey cools because then later killed. So very easy thing to do would be to stop the strategic s strikes in Yemen, which will reduce the amount of collateral damage, and we'll probably might, for instance, the US congress much less angry at Saudi Arabia, much less likely to cut a weapons transfers and other systems, but it's the United States. I mean, obviously the United States supplies the majority of the arms to Saudi Arabia were the United States to object to these missions. These missions wouldn't happen. You're saying, I think it's more of the case that if the Saudis stuff onto taking these high risk boming strikes, then the relationship with the US congress will improve if the US soil. The provision of precision guided munitions, small bombs, then the Saudis will do two things. They'll buy small bombs from someone else not French or the British on the Russians, and they'll start to use unguided weapons causing even more collateral damage. So I don't think the solution is to cut off the provision of these weapons, I think would make a lot more sense is for the Saudis, simply stop striking high risk targets, which would improve their license with the US and would also reduce this counterproductive strikes the Don guy them anything, but really damage their reputation internationally and dust Mike, it easier for the who these to ultimately win this war. So the word dates back to twenty fifteen when Obama was an office. But of course, President Trump's first foreign trip was to Saudi Arabia. He's frequently complimented the leadership of Saudi Arabia and hasn't really ever said anything about putting breaks or control on. On what they've been doing in this war has who is sitting in the Oval Office affected this word. All. I think that the Saudi Arabian government and the other coalition allies undertook the war in Yemen. Biggest, I did not feel confident that the United States government then on the President, Obama was going to act against an expansion of Iranian influence in Yemen. So they went and did it themselves and the Gulf coalition committed their own forces and amazingly within a period of less than a month begun a military operation when none of those countries had ever actually launched the Maija war on their own before, and they're still finding it. Now in twenty eighteen, they knew resident of the Oval Office has had much less to do with Yemen on his sleigh. It hasn't shown up on his right on much except the President Trump was. Horrified to receive intelligence reporting about the potential Skyla of the famine in Yemen, and that briefly focused him on the issue. But I think the people to watch in US government people like secretary state might Pompeo and also sector defense, James Mattis, and I have been sending tough messages to the Saudis that they need to reduce the amount of collecting damage incidents they causing, and they need to support and internationally led peace process on the. And here's my last question. Just looking at the disparities as we've chronicled between the combatants or among the combatants. If you wanna take the coalition into account, or we just past the point where any superpower should think that any rebellion can be put down relatively easily? No, I think ultimately, when a superpower or large power commit to. To accomplish. They can generally wear down an insurgency and achieve some of the victory objectives. I think funding the rock moment to stump is the most tricky part. This issues Yemen. As an example, when the coalition led by Saudi Arabia entered the war in two thousand fifteen, like did soy to stop the who rebels from gaining control of the entire country. Now, at this point in two thousand eighteen, the government has liberated the second largest city in Yemen item. It controls almost all of the coastline of Yemen, including all of the oil and gas rich areas of the country, and it is presently halfway through the liberation all the third and fourth largest cities in the country, and that still leaves the who 'this with the capital Sunol, right? But it very lightly leaves them landlocked. Unable to communicate with their external sponsor Iran and lacking in any resources such as oil or gas. It's just difficult to find the right moment to call it quits and to hand over to local proxies local government to take the warm words from them or to engage in the pace deal with the insurgents. You know, I think the transition between fighting rebels and insurgents and striking political deals with them. It's probably the trickiest part of these kinds of wars. Michael nights is senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Thanks so much pleasure to talk to you. No, the field there is a podcast that I like called pod, saved. The people come on does fall into the category of three people agreeing with each other, which seems to be the most popular form of podcast. These days. It gives me some good news. That's what I like about it, not good news, but it's good with giving me news now to be fair all the other, all the other pod saved podcasts. They're usually three people agreeing with each other. Sometimes they're only two people agreeing with each other, but sometimes it gets up to four or five people agreeing with each other. Like you'll have one of those shows that will have four panels on it, and they'll interview a democrat running for office or they'll throw in the monkey ranch and have three panelists show. But but interview to Democrats running for office pod, save the people does something that's a little bit better and more interesting than that by the way, I don't mean to slag them off too much, which they mixed it up, which all of these panel podcasts mixed it up a little bit for on that out there. Okay. So pod, save. The people brings me news and it's often news. That I don't know. I often feel like I should have known it or could known it. And this week they had a fact that I really should have known but didn't know. And before I tell you that fact, I will tell you a couple of things that we all should know. But there's this one guy who takes up all the attention in America. You know, the guy not going to talk about, so we all should know. And I mentioned this in the opening of the show that Saudi Arabia seems to have killed a journalist named dramatic Shoghi. He walks into the embassy in Turkey has for some forms. He needs for his upcoming marriage, and they purposefully murder him to keep him from criticizing them Saudi Arabia do this performs lower than Iran in the Freedom House rankings of the free as countries. And yet it couldn't be a bigger US ally. This isn't only on the Trump administration. The ally ship with the United States goes back generations, but it is the first country President Trump visited when he went overseas, and let's be honest. State-sponsored murder is very much a tactic of Saudi Arabia. It is on the same level of say. Say in America, a stupid press conference where the president gets told a fact about hurricanes points to a map. It is normal, but maybe not well known though it could have been, but I don't want to bum you out all the stuff that we could know where should know bad stuff like you might know that Bank see sold a painting. It's other bees, and then it self destructed. This should be the biggest story that everyone is talking about. Not that it's important, just that it's fascinating, right. This should Accu our mental space like b Cooper did in nineteen seventy one or that Janet Jackson's Super Bowl boob did in two thousand four. It's not necessarily vital to focus on, but it's nice to have the opportunity to focus on something else. Not what that guy. The one I'm talking about. The one is pointing at the map. Well, now I'm going to tell you the fact the fact that you should know the fact that I heard on pod, save the people. It's this there is now only one abortion clinic in the state of Missouri. No, occasionally you hear a similar fact about a different state that that state is down to one clinic. Sometime states even go to know clinics in two thousand six. I traveled. Takada because South Dakota had recently enacted a law and they were down to one abortion clinic and Sioux Falls went there kind of fascinating. The states with one. Sometimes you're abortion clinics. All right. Now, Kentucky, West, Virginia, Mississippi, both Dakotas Wyoming and Missouri. Now all of those states are red and small, although Missouri isn't small, and that's the thing Missouri's Republican dominated on the state level has a Republican governor, both houses overwhelmingly Republican, they love passing antiabortion laws, but it's an above average state in terms of population of all the states. I read four of them. The populations of four of them could fit inside Missouri and Missouri has millions more people, then Kentucky or Mississippi. And the fact that blows my mind about Missouri having one abortion clinic is the to really big cities Saint Louis and Kansas City. So which one is which large metropolitan area doesn't have an abortion clinic. State. The answer is Kansas City, though there are abortion clinics on the Kansas side. Saint Louis is the only operating abortion clinic in the state of Missouri. They used to have one, and this was actually the last one that closed not the Kansas City. One. They used to have one in the college City College town of Columbia, Missouri, but it was shut down because there was a state law that required abortion clinics to have it mid privileges at local hospitals into function as an ambulatory surgery center. Now, if you pay attention to abortion law, this may register in your mind. Wait a minute. Yeah, you're right in two thousand fifteen. The supreme court ruled in whole women's health versus Heller stat that those tactics to say that you can't perform an abortion less. You have admitting privileges in a hospital amounted to an undue burden on a woman's, right. You have an abortion. The supreme court was pretty clear. It was called the biggest victory for abortion rights since Casey versus Planned Parenthood. But the eighth circuit the court that allowed Missouri law to go into effect. I think just ignored the supreme court. I mean, they came out with verbiage and ruling why the local state law that wound up shutting down the Columbia abortion clinic was a little different than the law that the supreme court ruled on, but it seems that they're logic is threadbare what could be going on was that the decision in women's health versus Heller stat that that decision was a five, three decision. But you know, the three were the three were justices Alito. Thomas Roberts they were in the minority, but look at the math if you add Gorsuch and if you add Cavanaugh that five three decision, not allowing that onerous practice on abortion clinics could easily become a five, four decision allowing it. So the local court of appeals, and they made this ruling just a couple of weeks ago. While the Cavanaugh hearings were going on the local court of appeals, whatever they're logic could just be saying, you know what? If this goes all the way up to the supreme court, we think they'll rule in our favor. So now one abortion clinic, it's in Saint Louis to confirm. This was the case, because frankly, I could not believe it. I did a Google search for abortion providers in Kansas City, and they're like I said, or a couple on the Kansas side. But there were also a few listed in Google in the first one was Planned Parenthood. I went to their online site where they said, you can schedule an appointment, but it did list every day is closed. So I called the Planned Parenthood clinic in Kansas City which actually doesn't go to Kansas City. It's called Planned Parenthood of the Great Plains, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Missouri, and they told me, no, there is no abortion clinic anymore. In Kansas City. They know of no other abortion clinic. They believe there is no other abortion clinic in the state. But besides the one I'm talking about in Saint Louis, so they confirm that, but there were a lot of other listings. For Boertien services in Kansas City, Missouri. So I investigated it was as I suspected, these weren't an aren't abortion clinics. These are crisis pregnancy centers. You know what those are. They try to talk women if I'm being kind talk women or scare women out of abortions their website, I went to a few of their the park Ville women's clinic. I went to the website under abortion, and it says this while abortion is not the only choice when encountering an unplanned pregnancy. Many women feel it is the only option you might still be in school lacking in financial and emotional support, or you feel like you just can't be apparent right now on the website. It's the soft sell. What they want to do is get you into their clinic where presumably they give you the hard sell. So if you go to Rachel house, which is another crisis pregnancy center that Google is an abortion clinic. The first thing you encounter is schedule an appointment. They're under abortion options. Rachel house says. We have accurate and educational information to help you during this decision making process. However, Rachel house does not perform or refer for the actual abortion procedure. Yeah, they don't perform the actual abortion because they are actually opposed to abortion and their purpose and their funding, and their mission is to attempt to dissuade and maybe being kind dissuade women from getting abortions. They don't provide the actual abortion in the same way that James Jones did not provide the actual Kool-Aid on the site. They have this Logan, we inform you'd decide under that click here to make an appointment today. Look, this is America if an antiabortion activist wants to honestly persuade women using actual facts. Go ahead, be fair about it, be above board and you know what? It's America. If you want to persuade using lies, we can't really stop that either. But these lambs of God. God are more wolves in sheep's clothing. I don't think they shouldn't exist. I just think the potential customer should know the true nature of the hustle before clicking on that appointment, you know, have information to help you decide my truck right here right now is not even against them. This is a critique of Google these clinics. They're very much a type of fake news and Google does nothing to alert women of this. They provide them under the rubric, abortion clinics, Kansas City, Google it yourself. You'll say they could do many things. They could list those services and do many things to inform users of Google what these clinics are really about like the star rating. I mean, if you look up park Ville women's clinic, it tells you they got four point two out of five stars, right? It was only five ratings and a woman named Brooke says, awesomely friendly staff, and beautiful atmosphere. And Bob Khavaf I trust Bob Vorkuta. Says what a great place the people are very friendly will bend over backwards to help answer your questions. Like tell me how bad an abortion is not out of that part. There is one person in those ratings who says this era conklin says this is not an abortion clinic, nor will they give you accurate information about all your choices. This is a religious organization who ally shame you for considering an abortion. They lie about possible complications and side effects. They lie about just Asian, whatever they can say to shame you enough to carry a pregnancy, stay away. One bad review, one star review amongst the five star reviews. So it looks like it has a pretty good rating. Look if I was searching for bandaids on Google and I saw one brand had a four point two star rating, but there was one review that said, you should know this is not a bandaid. This is actually a razor. I would think if that rating were accurate, Google do something to let me know about it to elevate it. Like I said, it is not hard for Google. To accurately convey to the public information. The public should. Now if you Google abortion clinics in Kansas City and a lot of other cities, you get three or four or more times as many crisis pregnancy centers, which are the opposite of abortion clinics. This would be like googling poison control and getting links to arsenic. It is especially important for my opinion for employees of Google to know about this and to care about this because the people most affected who could most be victimized by this accuracy are often poor confused under educated and desperate women in the middle of the country, which are adjectives that in general, do not apply to Google employees. So Missouri is down to one abortion clinic, but several fake ones according to America's third or fourth wealthiest company, which claims to be the technology and information space. And that's it for today. Show Pierre Daniel straighter enjoyed our interview with Michael nights, but we're hoping to get him to tell us what has off is really like today. Rafael slate, senior producer, always wanted a Knight rider, spin off starring Devon, the uppercrust corporate head who underwrites Michael's activity. See episode, two, we'd get Devon to read a Batman or ironman comic book and realize, oh my God, I could have been the guy who also drove the car most out on a lot of fun that way. Probably it's impersonal problems, ties executive producer of slate. Podcasts always wanted a different doctor at Saint allegiance to provide the voice of kits wacky rival. Imagine Ed Begley as caboodle the gist Philander Michael nights today, how far off away from booking Alf temperature, Peru, and thanks for listening.
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Understanding the Crisis in Yemen
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The reaction has been I thought we might get based on other stories, you know, over the years. I thought we might people protesting the use of such graphic imagery. But for the most part, actually, I didn't hear any protests. What we got were a lot of people who wrote in and said, how can we help? Eric nagourney has been editing stories about Yemen at the times for awhile and says the response he got from readers on this story. It just wasn't when he was expecting many of his emails were angry. They were very very angry. And they said in one four with other. Why did you nor the story which is which was frustrating response because, you know, simple, Google search was show that we actually have written about Yemen, quite a lot. Eric says the problem with covering what's been happening in Yemen is that it's really complicated and at its heart. This is a policy story. People are not starving or on the brink of mass starvation because there was an earthquake. You know, there was no plague of locusts there was no, you know, nothing biblical happen there. Instead, they're starving, although they're surrounded by food because of political decisions by not the Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is leading the war. But by group of nations that have made a conscious decision to advance their political aims and the territorial aims in regional. And regardless what happens civilians, but up until this month when journalist Jamal kashogi was killed by a team of Saudi operatives many Americans just weren't looking that closely Saudi Arabia's policies in Yemen. Many people weren't considering Yemen at all even though the word crisis. It seems to underestimate what's been happening here. One of the things you learn in this businesses that people often they don't see stories or they don't wanna see stories. You can write something very powerful. But it doesn't always have resonance. You can always do more. Maybe you can never do enough. But I do think the reasoning count as much attention as it did is because we Shoghi or I think that helped. Yeah. And those photos because younger so arresting they're arresting and heart stopping and they just make you stop. And look and think and wonder you lot of us wonder what what happens to kids in those photos. He's captured a moment in time. I'm Mary Harris today, we're going to take you inside Yemen where a war has been simmering for more than three years. It's a battle that defies the usual framework of good guys and bad guys the Saudi back to Yemen government is overseeing famine of its own making meanwhile, who the rebels are lined with Iran, and they seem intent on creating sectarian police state Fatima Australia's here. She's Yemeni herself. Just kinda fascinating perspective on the war when that slate zone international affairs, editor he doesn't quite agree with. But with news today that the United States is calling for an end to the conflict in Yemen. 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No matter what happens in your industry your organization can quickly pivot. To whatever comes next. Learn more at citric dot com slash sleet, citric. This is how the feature works. We have to these binary ways of defining Yemen. Yemen has become defined from counterterrorism approach. And it's been very difficult to break free from that. Now, I see a shift. I see it defined as a failed state as you know, -tarian disaster and catastrophe. This is all I wanted to talk to him up because her family's from southern Yemen. And she's got this distinctly third culture kid view of the situation there before she was born her parents moved the family because southern Yemen was becoming unsafe she grew up in Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates. But when it was time for Fatima to go to college. She wanted to go back to her family's home country. I've always just wonder what it would be like to just be a Amini just being born in a land outside of mine. To see women covering their faces. My parents were so worried about you know, sexism around that time or me not being treated fairly in Yemen. Because it's such a tribal society up in the north. And I was just rated with kindness and respect had many friends from the north from the south who was just a beautiful time back in the early nineties. It sounds to me like you went to Yemen. Kind of looking for a piece of yourself. Exactly, exactly. I think you can hear in her voice that Fatima has this blend of western education and values, but also this deep affection for Yemen is like the opposite of journalistic detachment Fatima's a senior analyst at the Arabia foundation, which is a group of scholars who focus on the Middle East. It has ties to Saudi Arabia, and she says American media coverage, especially in the wake of dramatic show. He's murder has focus. Too narrowly on the Saudis involvement in Yemen. Civil war to her the situation is far too complicated for that. But I'm jumping ahead. Let me go back to Tema and what it was like for her a young Yemeni woman living in her home country for the first time. I think I went there with a mindset of almost an oriental est because I wanted to change things for the better. I so poverty, I so mum nourishment lack of education. I felt that women were not so advanced I wanted really to rally up behind gender empowerment is all of these things that I thought I could change and reality check for me was people are just proud being who they were women did not want to be Mensa baited. I thought men were really proud of their traditional tribal values, and they wanna change to be slow and gradual and I have to say if seen that change slowing graduate in my lifetime. But also because we are so open to change. We would also as an US Open. To a lot of catastrophic shocks. So we've seen a lot about Yemen in the news over the last couple of weeks mostly because we've been more closely looking at Saudi Arabia and their role in the region. But you've talked a lot about how we really misunderstand was happening in Yemen. Can you tell me a little bit about how currents instability were seeing it has its roots all the way back in the Arab spring, right? Correct. How did it start in the spring? The youth just had hopes that they will have a corrupt free government a huge corruption, including institutional corruption was just plaguing their lives. So haven't had a former president on the LaSala governed for thirty years that was unacceptable so Arab spring comes. And there was an agreement that was reached after eleven months of of deadlock and that agreement was sponsored by the Gulf countries. And. And also that you in the United States and others. And then what happened? What happened is that the people who were not entirely very happy with with how civil that was decided that violence could actually work better than piece. So you're describing the herbs spring happening. This time of tremendous hope with his very careful process being orchestrated to try to rebuild the government. And then this sudden collapse exactly the LaSala allied with the host rebels, and they pretty much overthrew the government who for people who don't know who the rebels are can you tell me a little bit more about them. It's hard to say this without oversimplifying. But it's a clan though, these are clown NGOs NGOs, and other, you know, women that I work with they don't call them types. They call them bandits there. Outlaws they are operating currently outside of the boundaries of the law, the constitution and people can't stand up to them because they have the power of the gun. They are governing based on racial or genealogical supremacy where they feel that only people who have a relationship or through a bloodline with the prophet are the ones who are entitled to govern Yemen. And this is extremely dangerous than Yemen's politics at snuff. It's something that Yemenis have tried to get rid of for a millennia dangerous in any politics. It's injury under-classes. Exactly. So it's a class based of a governorship and it pushes a button for many Emmys in the north because before nineteen sixty two four thousand years. This is how they would ruled. So when people say that these have some type of legitimate grievance. It's not one that we could relate to in. Our modern eight they went on Yemen again, exactly. One of the same time these rebels, and what's happening in Yemen has become this proxy war. Right. Where it's not just the who the's. It's also Iran supporting them, and it's not just the Yemeni government. It's Saudi Arabia's. Well, right because Saudi Arabia has also become really meshed in this fight in ways that are toxic in different ways. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, if you if you speak to a lot of Yemen us today, they almost forget about, you know, the main grievance which was the healthy all thing and now focusing on the new additional grievance which comes from the Saudi led intervention. I think what's so hard about understanding. What's happening in Yemen? Is that it's these multiple interlocking tragedies that are hard to. Disentangle and understand Yemen. When you speak about it to me, it doesn't even quite sound like a country. It sounds like it's fighting gangs. Yes. That's that's correct. In the northern parts of the country where these are dominating they're dominating urban areas in there that imposing a totalitarian regime where basically they have is everywhere. They know what you're up to they squashed ascend. They squashed protests. They bound social media. So people have to use now VPN's to get around it. And you describe these women like enforcement squads, right? Yeah. These women's squads are cold Zainab yet. It's almost like the clears of the Handmaid's tale. So they can stop you. They can look anytime if you're in the university, or if you're in the bus, they can look at your phone Sita types of messages that you've been sending and if they suspect something they'll throw you in jail and then win the Saudi controlled areas. It looks different. But not that much more inviting. Yeah. And government control areas. A the government of him and is not doing that. Good. And it could do much better. I feel like it has outsourced many things to the coalition when you say the coalition Eurabia Arabia Kuwait, you know, an others. I think it has outsourced a lot of things to the coalition, and it shouldn't. So we talked about the who these I feel like we really described what's happening there. Really? Well, and, but those aren't the pictures I've been seeing out of, you know, the New York Times I've seen a totally different tragedy, which is children's starving, and they're not being enough money to feed them. Exactly. So you have fundamental problems there. One is the fact that, you know, government solid haven't been paid for the pasta years in the north of Yemen and the south they're being paid. And part of the reason is the coalition and the government just you know, was was thinking that. Okay. If you end up paying it. You don't know if these are going to take it and use it for their effort. But after so much, you know loss end of a station some measures have popped up recently to eat from this. So for example, two days ago. The government of Yemen has announced that they will be paying the salaries of teachers in the north this is long overdue. So for the average citizen if you were anywhere middle-income, you're pretty much destitute of the time being and of course, the healthy militia has not been kind of the same time. So they impose high taxes on people. This is basically how they fund their war effort from the local economy ruthies. Yes. Yes. And I mean, you know, these are are not skeletons and people who who follow them are not skeletons. The skeletons are the people who've not are not necessarily pro who the loyalists or people who are just you know, to bore into. Unimportant for the hoses to look after. Is it fair to say that the Saudi Yemeni coalition's effort to choke out the who 'this is really harming regular people caught in the middle. I think they take the blame. They take part of the blame. But not all of the blame. A lot of the healthy crimes are just being lost. And people don't understand the complexity of the situation. It sounds to me like in the last couple of weeks. We've heard about the war in Yemen, primarily as a way to talk about Saudi Arabia in the wake of dramatic Khashoggi's death. But what you're saying is that we need to look deeper than that. And it sounds like you place, the real blame at the foot of the who these. There's there's enough blame to go around for everybody. I mean in water. I don't think anyone is right. Let's say Saudi Arabia goes away tomorrow. And it's no longer there in the picture. We will not have peace in Yemen. So there are thousands of people who are gonna continue to die there's devastation, and we're going to probably see a huge army that is mobilized ideologically to be aligned with Iran. I think we're being Yemenis being used for on unit and the and the Saudis want to get rid of that. And I just don't think that they were able to to do it effectively. Fatima? Thank you so much again there take care. Fatima Osram are is senior analyst at the Arabia foundation. I wanna leave you with one more image from Yemen because it really stuck with me just before we stop talking Fatima told me about a thirteen year old Yemeni boy should med while she was doing research on this war he'd been child soldier. And he told her he missed fighting Fatima said all of the factions in this fight have reportedly recruited children to fight for them. If there's anything that only m unease agree on that is very dangerous as indoctrination that's going around. It's the fact that there are posters in school. That says as a child my right is to fight. If there's anything that is aggravating people. It's that kids as young as six and seven are just repeating sectarian hogwash that does not belong in schools. If this is not scaled back Yemen is gonna end up becoming a hostile country. And that scares me the long-term scares me because for a very long time. It's been very hard to get out of this terrorism thing Yemenis can get a visa anywhere, and it poses a threat to everyone. Exactly. That's our show. What next is a new daily show from slate. This is our third week of piloting and public. You've got just a few more weeks to give us feedback on what we're up to this show is spaghetti thrown at the wall. We are seeing what sticks. So tell us what sticking with you leave us a review on apple podcasts. We'll see your comments there. And you'll also help other people find the show what next is hosted by me, Mary Harris and produced by Mary Wilson, and Jason deleo on our engineer is Terrance Bernardo, thanks to producer Daniel Hewitt for all of our help recording in DC today. Talk to you tomorrow.
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