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Roland Garros Re-Lived 1983: Yannick Noah and the power of dreams

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42:13 min | 8 months ago

Roland Garros Re-Lived 1983: Yannick Noah and the power of dreams

"It oh this is Yannick Noah. You're listening to the tennis spot casts. Yes welcome to road garris relive to Yannick Noah coming your way in what I would say is the most enthralling interview I've ever done. Certainly one of the most enthroning interviews. I've ever heard quite frankly delighted to have it for you here on the tennis. Podcast in the first of fifteen editions of tennis relived just before we get cracking with that though. We had a quiz today for predictions. Level kickstarter backers. Who Don't have any live tennis to predict about the goal Catherine and Matt in setting it up for me not to win and they got their way because I came not first not second or third wasn't even a podium finish which is really really better than we even better than we even dreamed of to borrow a a phrase from. Yannick Noah will be coming soon here on the first edition of Running Garros relieved which we will be bringing to you every single day throughout the two weeks. That should have been the French Open. Youtube should have been in Paris right now. Sorry I know that's Robina in but we have the next best thing for you. We have this journey through the past the through the wonderful history of the sport. We're going to be doing the same during Wimbledon and we have a wonderful exclusive interview with Yannick Noah today to take us through nine hundred eighty three. So lots to look forward to. Congratulations to daryl the champion of the quiz. Yesterday I say that through gritted teeth but fair enough he won fair and square. Yeah that was the added element of perfection really. Darryl is David University Mate. So not only was he beaten. He was beaten by the one person who he absolutely wanted to beat himself. Yeah fallen mate more accurate. Let's get cracking on something. More more more Xiaowei nine thousand nine hundred eighty three. Yannick Noah against Matt's Philander in the men's singles final Roland Garros in one thousand nine hundred eighty three seat belts became mandatory in the U K. The first mobile phones were introduced to the public cabbage patch dolls were introduced to the cabbage patch dolls. I couldn't believe the the most notable interesting thing about nineteen eighty-three for you invoked seatbelts. I'm finished yet. The final episode of Mash Ed with one hundred twenty five million viewers Microsoft Word was released and Kim Jong UN Chris. Hemsworth and Kim Clijsters were born. Worser tree often mentioned in the same breath but the yeah and in the world famous. You said Kim Jong UN is that wrong no. I'm just checking. He's the one that is remained to be currently and for the foreseeable future deceased right. Yeah but I think those rumors were well. I mean what can you believe coming out of there but I think they were unsubstantiated? Right okay if we of with today's paper think there was video of he was born in is at eighty three that much. We do know and in nineteen eighty-three Yannick Noah had his moments. He'd been discovered by authorized tour of Cameroon. Where Noah spent his formative years and at the age of twenty three hour being a professional player for quite a while by that time but he'd never had a run like you would have rolling Garros. Snow Frenchman had won the French Open title. Since Marcel Bernard in one thousand nine hundred forty six. No Man has done it since. So let's hear all about it from the man himself. Yanic take it away my dream L. Timid Dream you know as a child growing up in Paris France. I actually stayed one year as a tennis student. You know who on gallows dreaming on be sent. Anti-central quarterback just playing that one day. I know I spent no by the beginning of the late seventies more to Paris so I was from Paris. My my family was living in Paris. My friends were in Paris but my ultimate goal was to win this and Diesel you're eighty three. We started in March with my coach. Patrice Chattan. Soak it now from now on. We going to do everything we can just thinking about these gold winning this so we have three months so we started out practicing a lot. I was playing great tennis. We went to a to Monte-carlo in the first round second round third round. I'm playing my no Orontes Medal. Then was like thirty six. You know it was for me an easy game to win Solo. I'm at the hotel. Eleven o'clock and of course my friends calling. Yati what he doing went on. It's Party Time. Some like oh. I will have a game tomorrow at Twelve. You know oil. It's okay you know. Wake up at age discomforted just gum. So cal come for wondering it's okay so I ended up staying late way. Too late and So Kate's okay. I'll to tomorrow night you I'll be reading her semifinal so I play my little win the first set that believed and then lose because I got tired and he was very very embarrassing so police came to me. Basically says it will make coach Yannick. You know you really screwed up. I don't want to be a coach. I'd rather you friends but I cannot work like that. We've been working already for three full weeks and you know you are that you went out last night. So it's not cannot work with this Twin that I'm really embarrassed. You know I swear from now. Let's go do it. I'm really embarrassed and you weren't okay. Okay so I just I just finished the game like our go before so we went right away. So kissel PUTU RACKETS. We gotta go practice for another three hours so we went practice right away and then from then on. I went to work as I'd never did in my life. And and he come you know I went to play Madrid. I one Madrid. I up to Lisbon us to match in the finals. I was at six four five four and lasted in the finals. In Lisbon that went to play Madrid I win Madrid. I will play Hamburg win. Hamburg beating a good clip coach players. Then you know towards the mets and S and then I'd week of off and then came the French and I I played I played. I was ready. You show were You you had a match believe against even Lendl s that fortnight's yes. What do you remember about that way? I always like to play van because he was given was a better player but I like to play him because we were both. We grew up as juniors together. It was always one to one he too but he was always Yvonne any since we've been lagging fourteen years old so he was always like this competition between us competition of style off of everything. We ran so different at with some respects. I was really pushing me up. You know and when I was playing him I was always because I liked his game could read these game so I was always saying well against him for some reason even though he won you know was not Bhawani. Became one of the best the greats I never got to his level but when I was playing him I was always like playing great matches. Very I was ready. I played him. I was playing quarter. I was very excited by the game so I was in the first set of beliefs. Six three or four. I was the first set quite easily. I'm five three believing the third and And then he served and you know he's he's like he was like he was so upset he was like you know acting like he was giving up and tanking so matchpoint fifteen forty serve Service second service come to the net was never come to the never serve and volley come to the net like walking so I just push it back thinking he's GonNa just give it a comedian. You just make a little in a nice little volley you know. Thirty forty second matchpoint. Third Second Second match point does the same. I Return Better. Return makes it. You know decent volley winner. Okay I so okay. Fine at that point you know. The energy like changed. The whole stadium started tonight. I could feel the tension I can feel the nervousness and I just I just went into a black hole. I couldn't think I just realized I too much points two minutes ago. Back to FAI for I serve. I don't even remember what I did. Five all the next thing. I know it's two sets to one and I was I was. I was completely in a black tunnel. I know where I was. I couldn't think a totally disturbed. I'm serving first game of the of the fourth. I'm serving fifteen law thirty love forty. The you know I'm playing home so the people just who I could feel it. He was terrible feeling. And for some reason I don't know how I won the East game and from then on I just came out of the tunnel and I ended up winning. This set six for some reason so he was like I almost isolate death from so close that it was like okay. You you died. Yanni betrayal other chains to come back so I so cannot his chainsaw So one the set and then I ended up winning the game and the match and I think that she every player who's ever won a grand slam has had a moment like that at least once in the tournament where it could have gone the other way and things might have gone badly and you beat. Lendl and you're supposed to play if the rankings to believe Jimmy Connors always struggled against and yet he wasn't he wasn't there. I was always had trouble with Jimmy because Jimmy his way of playing and he's he was hitting the ball. He was not giving this top speed. And you could hit the ball over you an on above you heaps and the shoulders eyeballs. He was always always like logos nobles heavy. He was always like always closer. What you read out to to earned her. The belts always always always and I didn't like that And he plays the As lying and stuff slept eight the match of his life and and beat him and I was like the best surprise soul really not to play Jimmy and Because I had Christoph I know Christoph we grew up together and adjust I was had these games so he was so funny. Because my my problem then was okay. We stayed out of the semi final to play. You know you have a couple of you have a couple of one or two days to prepare for the semi finals. So don't think about the final. Just think about that was like the main to really focus on I was swift cited coming in the finals. I mean this before. Playing and teeth really helped me then and I played a really serious game really. I didn't miss many. I didn't Miss Anything. I was in such good shape. I just had one last one set in the whole tournament so and I I really. I'd I destroyed him. You know it was. It was actually was terrible because at some point I was actually hoping that we play better because I was praying great and he was not playing well at all. You was feeling overwhelmed by the the wind that he had a teeny and seem on. Tv All day long giving interviews you before the game. He you minutes it. Oh I remember that. Once I was practicing was came to practice the day before the game are semifinal to pack the Racing Club in Paris and he came in he had like probably next three cameras accrues around him like falling on the courts cheeses Huckabee Focus. That can concentrate. And he was mentally was totally drained. Totally Mentally Tired for my car game played a terrible game. I played a great game and not beating. Curry's six love six love and I just wonder though you have dreamed about this moment. You're going into the final at running so many plays have tried and failed since and I wonder how you felt the day the night before. You stepped out there against Mitzvah lender when I was We don't we wear. I was thinking my Country House with my dad. You know we didn't want to have anybody else in the house. I was staying with my died for the whole tournament so it would be quiet and and we went back home. We had an early diener and you know I was really relaxed. I was I was looking for for the game. Played a couple of weeks before three weeks point. Amberg and I between so I was very confident I used to love to climate and and I went to sleep and And for the first time and it was the last time I dreamt about the whole match I dreamt the whole match. I said Dilu- second-set that win third set win for said I lose V set starts and I lose the game and lost it and I'm like totally destroyed. I remember crying I remember. It was like so clearly. See this dream she. No I hear a sound and and it's my dad. You know Cheeses and and I was in bed. I just lost the game. You I felt like I was Monday was again and does away. What's happening did you sleep? Well I slept eight eight straight hours and he goes you ready. And I'm like I still have the my buddy just feels like I just lost. You know you dead dead and he goes you ready. Slept well and then. I realized that actually I didn't play the game. The the the dream was so real. So ice ECK. Wow a second chance of eastern. I'M NOT GONNA make the same mistakes that's Hours ago and I was so fired. It was like having you know after that. That was working. You know when I became a coach. That was working. She's realization images you'll got a and it was like a natural vegetation and like super intense trip and I came on the court. Everything that happened during the match was kind of Deja she angie but also new so we went one that I knew that was the game of my life. You know it was a Beautiful Day. I I all. My family was their own of my family. All my friends. Everybody all the people that you know. Help me. During the game author was there for the T. everyb- one hundred percent. Everybody was with. The energy was like soap. Perfect Perfect Day. I was really hoping for a beautiful day because as I was like the attacking player against the Matt's you know it's always better like you know warm conditions lift Bob of faster. The quote is faster and I knew it was the game of life and as we wear like behind the curtain before coming up to the court I remember praying and a never prayed in my life I never prayed I prayed and And then after the prayer I remember the feeling that I had is like was like. I'm not I draw the guy that coming out of his court without the it was the feeling that I was totally into the game heart and soul for this game. It never happened to me. After I played I won. Some matches. Never WanNa grants that won some tournaments but never did have this thing was like it was it was like a spiritual thing. I was I was it was hundred percent. Meet yanic tennis player for this match on. I was ready to give everything including dying. I was ready to die for this month and then it happened. Showed it six two seven five seven six on. I've watched some of the match back before before we started speaking. And and a couple of things that really struck me one. His your approach to the match the the relentlessness of your charging to the net. You did a lot of a lot of time. You were at the net and your career. Was this unusually aggressive. Yes well you know. Matt's was giving me the opportunity you know after this game. I talked too much much. He's like my friend and we talked about this. You know it will with laughing because when he comes to Paris even though he wants times the French Open and won seven grandson. We we we used to do. Some exhibitions of charity matches and every time. We play the introduce him at the finalist. The families of wrong goes at of anyway so we talked and he said after the game you realize that you know you had to to change game and he came more aggressive and this is when he became another player he was more aggressive behind his first serve. It could even e- could come to the net. Could attack. He was it was. Just you know not the player that was when in the eighty one eighty twenty three before the game and but then when I played in was basically staying in the back in trying to pass you daring us to come the night. I'm just trying to pass you and that was just perfect because you was Was exactly the kind of game that I really liked and for me. Attacking was the only way I liked it. I love the tacking. I love being the Nettie. Twist my territory. I I loved it you on match point. I remember match point and the way he finished it. And then you you turn and same to look for your dad in the crowd and he he. He's there just talk us through that moment. Well you know when when you play in when I when I especially when you play at home because we have these next sherie these privilege as French to play at home. We playing at home. When you play. When I played on this court and I played for ten years. I know exactly who is where you know. I know I know ways my family. Of course. Well my friends I know varies these beautiful chicks that I saw the other day. I know I take all the good energies. I know where everybody is. And of course you know my parents were and you know then you know. I. I know the I was no I used to ice. Might by my players Renault's Captain. Why do you want to win? And as well you know the first time what we want to win because we're going to win the Davis Cup as yet but why do you want to win the days and sometimes you can have an answer? I I told him and this is why we play for. The people sacrificed so much for us. We play for them when we win. We Win for them. This is this is the way we can let give back. Is Their reward that we win. We Win for them. We Win for the people we love. We Win for our fans we win but most of the people elect sacrifice sacrifice my childhood. You know being with my parents just to be there at this moment and But that was like my subconscious. I didn't like I couldn't put words into it and So I win this match point and I think you know. I barely Schuch. Matt's Hand I. I forgot to shake a dragged off nines. The referees and I just saw my guy jumping from the stands and I lost and we just start crying and he said I was saying we weren't we weren't we weren't we want. We want you know and crying. And he said I know if you notaries. First Time Ever my dad told me loves me. I knew he did but he never told me. We had to go that far and That this moment changed my life. It's just changed my whole life because nut. That was just a nice. The last French player wonder friendship and it was just that the emotion was so strong and secure. I think the last French that won the French Open before thirty seven years ago. People away so happy that gave everybody in the where crying people were crying in front of the TV. And you know I. It was like the best motion possible. How many times you cry of happiness arms of father you know if you're lucky to tweet once Man Or look Yo you never cry of happiness you cry you cry of sadness of milk or your you know some companies can have. Tea's like cry cry her father in front of millions of people so since then you know. I came. I went to all these French people's heart you know. And that's the best way to go and get into people's you know in a heart you know through the best. It was the best door and and to that day. People always talk to me about always always always every time every day. If I walk in someone's GonNa tell the Yanic I remember where I was. It was such a beautiful day. We were with family. We chopped up and down in front of the TV. We starts crying. We hugged each other. It was it was really really the most emotional thing I've lived and and I did it in front of millions and the best part because sometime you can say oh I remember when the cried of happiness in the ons of my parents you know but the good part is at a heavy. Don't tape on tape and I can show I can show. My children can short and it's funny because one the first time joking won the NCAA tournament with the gators as a basketball player. You want and was again. And the first thing he did was to walk up the stance and came to hug us. Our mother was it was the best day was it was like the best electric for my child to to trust amazing so this is history teaches like he was like a moment that we know obviously. I will never forget Chino. People always remember if I sometimes forget. Of course I'm not here thinking about you all the time but people remind me of these time always with with a good smile. And that's it. That was my French Open. You Find One Wimbledon which never came close to but maybe yet us or the Australian Open would have been the same out all not all. I want at home and after that you know I didn't I added all night. Couldn't I was not motivated to to to to have another one. I never got this fire. I was working hard but I never had this extra fire. That was almost know almost spiritual you know. It was a question of using. Oh dying never had this after that because I achieved it I should. Everything warranted one knee before the Australian. Open a the US Open. Maybe I would have tried to go for another one because Michael was to win the French Open and you went beyond you know because my dad coming and everybody. The whole energy was excellent perfect Unicorn and better. It was a dream so catherine it was a dream and he makes you feel. Every moment of that dream I feel included in the dreamy. Had the night before the final. When he's already hadn't one he makes you feel that you in dream with him. In fact I am I. My dream is for Yannick. No into records Some sort of meditation tapes because just his just his voice lows me into a into a dream link happy state. It's the most magical voice in sport. Yeah I mean as I was listening to that I was thinking. I wonder if I wonder what kind of dream mutton the night before. Imagine if both of them had a had were actually he usually you his stories of athletes having a a dream with a you know. Visualize themselves winning. But actually he had a dream that he didn't want to come to fruition which is quite a sort of a slight divergence from the from the trope of Visionary Athletes Dreams God He's he's he's something isn't he? He's just he's mesmerizing and the honesty of him. The way he talked about how relieved he was that he didn't have to face. Jimmy Connors in the semifinals. I loved that I love Tim saying well. I already thought it was in the final. And that doesn't make you think you arrogant wh- he just believed in himself and was was right to DC Yeah I feel. I feel transported to a time when I wasn't even alive and that's what a what a superpower that is he's got. I don't normally believe in fate or things happening for reasons that that kind of trope it was meant to be but to hear him describe the series of events. The Harriet trained harder that year. How he liked playing landon beat him connors out of the way. How ash was there? His father was that it was all perfect. He sort of allows you in he. He turns rational logical thing because into people who believe in mystery spirituality. And it's kind of a kind of a placebo effect. He has on people. I think. That's wise been sexist successful Davis Cup captain and Fed Cup captain. He he makes people. He changes the energy and room when he walks in and he should've lows you into thinking like he thinks and just you just has an effect on people which is difficult to put your finger on but just there whenever he speaks. I've never met anybody like him. And the first time I ever met him was nine hundred ninety eight when I joined the ATP a Pretty Green Young Twenty five year old. I was then I was dating with bore and mackinaw event in Doha and they were pretty. It was pretty intimidating to bonus to to try to deal with these people that watched as a kid and Noah immediately. Put Me Tease. That was the the beauty of of of his his his way his demeanor he he makes you feel like you're the only person in the room that is interested in hearing from any one time and and I didn't know him at all and yet he kind of made you feel like he cared about what you were saying the sort of things you're asking him to do. And and getting into a conversation with him socially he he was totally invested in in whatever was being said or at least that's how he made you feel and he could do it on a wider scale as well whether it was a room full of people that he was addressing. Felt like he was talking to all of you if he was if you take the mic and start singing or play music. Let's make it clear here. He had a more successful music career than her tennis career. After we finished. It's just incredible what he achieved in the music world and then in the stadium like what. We've just watched the tennis that he played to win. That Grand Slam title owned the only Grand Slam title. The ever won. We've just witnessed that. And he had everybody eating out of his hand. Whatever he felt they felt and even twenty two years after first meeting him and I've only seen him once one on one. I think in between that time I interviewed him briefly and in two thousand ten tournament. You and I were both Catherine in Paris. And I remember him seeing me then and he wouldn't have known my name but he saw me remembered who who was by sides again he makes you feel very very warm not this warmth there and here we are another ten years and we we got to speak to him via a friend of ours who knows. Mansour Bahrami who called Yannick Noah and arranged for us to speak to him and when I called him up he he couldn't place where it was. He thought it was twenty five years ago that we last saw each other and yet he just makes you feel like he's got all the time in the wealthy. I asked for forty five minutes to speak to him he spoke for ninety and I to. I have to stop the interview because I've got to do something else by that time and we will have that full interview for you in a few weeks time you you'll just hang on every word is all I can say I listened to it and I I feel like I'm holding my breath while I'm listening hanging on every word most of it I'm trying to suppress laughter all tiers or shock just the way he can tell the story and maybe he could have achieved more in the game but frankly who cares he left you with that moment you remember. He didn't even play that champion's tour event. David it was it was the they'd been jumpy serve and in Paris for a number of years on the clay at the the racing club but that was the one year it was held in. Endure the stats. Kuba Tom where they used to have the the WPA even that and that was the same same event where that was the the McEnroe. Lendl moment that we've described on the podium show will come back to tomorrow. 'cause we're reliving the the French Open final on Monday. But they was. He desperately wanted Yannick Noah to play this. It was his fiftieth birthday. That week. I believe do you remember any of this my town? He's he's just turned six and he they just they got him to just show up and walk on the court and an except in an almost birthday cake. That's really did he. Was there for one day waved and said thank you very much for this enormous birthday cake and it was. It was the best moment of if the week. It was just absolutely electric. And you know I wish I could see him play but but seeing him hold the birthday cake aloft. Being cheated on by by thousands of people was pretty special and then what what did you think of the tennis? You've just witnessed from that final of unfortunately it's one of those matches that we don't have the full complete match but we've seen some highlights of his run to that title and his dad running on the courts. And what did you think I was struck by exactly the same thing? It seems you were that you referenced. In ninety how how aggressive he was. What a net Russia he was. I hadn't quite realize that about him. And just love saying we talked about it with with Martina Navratilova on the clay again. Spoiler alert something. We'll be discussing if the next week will say the commitment to come to the net on clay is something really magnetic to watch especially when it's against somebody like Philander we've got this contrast and philander slips stumped didn't he by the whole experience he looked just at it a bit of a loss by by a I guess by the city of the magnetism of what was done the other end of the cool but also by his by style of play was also struck. By how immensely cool his t shirt was and how immensely uncool. It would look on almost every other human being because it was. It was a like a polo with a color. That's open the down to the mid chest and it didn't even have buttons giving you the option to to to cover up you'll chest. Should you wish? And of course he looked fabulous but just imagining that on anybody else that liquor pot much in another life. Pre tennis podcast. You had studied Ganic. No Yeah I think everyone's everyone's kind of got a Yannick Noah connection as the way the way he told you know. He entered people's hearts in that day in Paris. And I think it's impossible to overstate. How popular he is in France? He's cross generational as you said David because the ways become such a successful artist and singer and performer. Young people known for that really. Anyway I was. I was living in France or my year abroad in two twenty sixteen and we had to do an essay and had absolutely no idea what to write about and then I got a copy of keep one morning and he was on the front as the Davis Cup captain each just been reinstated and I saw. I wonder if I could wangle my way to writing about tennis for my ear. Wash project. Why don't I do something on? Yannick Noah and I discussed with my with my supervisor. Can I do it on? Why he's culturally important in in France and they said yes. Go ahead and suddenly. I just discovered all this stuff about him which all kind of goes back to nine hundred ninety three when he won wrong. Garros because that was an. I'm going to move into sports and history crossover here. That was that was a really important year in French history. Nine hundred eighty three because the country was kind of a little bit of a crossroads about what it wanted to be as a nation On the one hand you had a march for equality against racism which took place from October to December it was the first anti-racist movement of its kind and that came about unfortunately because on the other hand. There were There were by elections in French. Communion toil in northern France where the National Front actually won the first round of elections for the first time you get this divided country between anti-racism racism to be honest and in the middle. You had Yannick Noah winning wrote on garrels. So hey was this. You know Franco Cameroon sensation. Who ON ONE? Hand symbolized the from that people wanted fronts to be in on the other hand from the people didn't want the country to bay and therefore his win was just so culturally important. He was at the forefront of social change really and You know he was kind of politicized after that. President talked about him symbolizing France. They wanted to use him to gain. Support I think Mitterrand went with him on a trip back to Cameroon. He just became this incredibly important figure that went beyond his tennis And that's why today is is kind of election has endured opposite endured because no other Frenchmen is one of the Grand Slam since. He's kind of their their Fred. Perry if you like in that name and British culture for so long before Andy Murray. And it's the same with Yannick Noah it just gets talked about and it will begin with this that we've worked nine hundred eighty three entity embrace all of that. Matt certainly not to begin with He. he he. I think he fell into a little bit of a depression. Actually after after Roland Garros nine hundred eighty three couldn't quite deal with the fame and the reality of it all actually moved to the United States because the pressure of living in France he was their star and the pressure was a little too much. But I think as the years have gone on is I think a lot of his music is quite political and social and he's kind of embraced it through that but at the time it was certainly certainly hard for him. It's Great Background History Plus Sport. Yes. Please Swat I'm hateful. That's what we're all here for here on running. Garo relieved and that is our first of fifteen of these that we're going to be bringing you the next couple of weeks during what should have been the French Open fortnight's also just a couple of little bits of news that we've received over the last few days Ashley Cooper the four time Grand Slam champion passed away on Friday aged eighty three an Australian who won in nineteen fifty eight the Australian Open Wimbledon and the US open championships Passed away and will be sadly missed by many road labor set of his fellow Australian so sad to hear of actually passing. He was a wonderful champion on and off the court and Water backhand so many cherish memories. Farewell my friend and also Cathy Sabin has passed away she was the first female president of the LTA. And somebody that I came across a few times. And just the loveliest person and I know she'll be very sadly missed as well. So we're going to be back tomorrow with another addition of tennis relived here on the centers. Podcast going to be as capturing said looking back at John McEnroe trying to win the French. Open the elusive French. Open up against the UN Lendl. Who'd never won a grand slam title in his life to that point on Tuesday. We're going to be looking back at Chris. Evert Against Martina Navratilova from one thousand nine hundred eighty five at the French Open. Catherine has been speaking to Chris. Evert you'll be hearing that here on the tennis podcast. We can't wait for that. We've got Mary Carillo talking us through the John McEnroe. She knew back in the eighties. And what that entire moment in time. Meant to Joe macura. So that's coming your way tomorrow. Here on the tennis podcast. Thank you for listening to us today. And we'll speak to you tomorrow.

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Yannick Noah Interview

The Tennis Podcast

1:23:39 hr | 6 months ago

Yannick Noah Interview

"HATO! This is Yannick. Noah remember. You're listening to the tennis spot casts. So. We've had a week off and. Has Gone to get his haircuts. Catherine's been hanging out with Magnus. The dog I've been stressing about my football team west from job in as they try to throw promotion away. That may or may not mean something to you, and we will be back with tennis podcasts over the coming weeks and months altogether chat in as we normally do, but today we have a very very special interview with the French Open champion of nineteen eighty-three, the world's number three as his highest ranking, but that really doesn't tell the story of Yannick who is unquestionably the coolest man I have ever met Davis Cup winning captain. Three Times Fed Cup winning captain as well and had a hugely successful music career. Once his tennis stays had come to an end I had the chance to meet him just over twenty years ago when he joined the champions tour. Tour retired players who just traveled to will played matches against one another him and John McEnroe and beyond bog, and all these greats of the game, and just got to know him a little bit at that time. He was always suggest to me. I haven't seen him for about ten years, but I managed to get in contact with him through a couple of other people when we were researching and trying to set up interviews full at tennis, relived series, particularly the French Open, so that we could tell that story, and you'll have heard an excerpt perhaps of this interview when we covered his run to that nineteen, eighty three French Open title, but the entire interview. It's just joy, and it will improve your mood, and if you do enjoy the into you tell your friends family, let your social media, and what's that group's now about it because it will just leave them happier than when they started listening to. It has Yannick Noah. I'd like to go right back to the beginning of your of your career, and even before your career and the reason for your career and. I believe a meeting with Arthur Ashe. Yep Absolutely. Our used to leave the group in Cameroon, Africa and We were I was playing detail club tennis was. Not, very, big in Cameroon in the whole country, back nine court, so to play tennis was very privilege radio privilege so. so we used to go to the club at night, but at that time my parents couldn't afford a racket in one day. When I heard that? Some Americans were coming to the club saw. Americans you know so. So Marty Riessen Charlie Pasarell, Tom, ochre, and Arthur Ashe where doing tour in Africa. And they happen to play one day my club. During the clinic they decide. They played with the kids. And I played with Sir and Liked what he saw. I was slim press. You know he was my heroes. At the end of the clinic gave me a racket is racket. Head competition that worth like. Probably Probably what my parents would making every month. and it was you know it was like a dream for me to meeting. Dr Racket Sonya poster. Saying To Yannick I hope I'll see one that. So that was very funny. But the next thing that happened is after this story went to the French Open and he talked to shut. It was the president of the Federation. I told him that he was a little kid was playing. Or was in French. Speaking. Country and And I I. The scholarship came to friends because of author I played in niece for few years. And? The first time I played in Wimbledon That was nine years after we met was in Wimbledon because as for wild card. That was accepted and we play doubles on center court. So that was a beautiful story, so yes, the so mean Africa. And he was a big part of my story. Because and after that you know. For some reason, he was always like you know. Not Too far helping me when I was younger growing up, and then you know played with him at Wimbledon, the first tournament. Back in the days. It was called Super Seris. I was playing Richmond Virginia where he was born. And that was the first tournament I one. Super Series and As I was you know going through the tournament semifinal quarterfinals? Semifinals Playing Roscoe Tanner and these gentlemen comes into locker room sold demand. It comes. It goes Yanic if you win. Arthur is coming tomorrow SEO really worrisome. Is Dad. So that was that was something I beat Roscoe and An author flew to Richmond I played Yvonne in the finals. Won The won. It and Arthur gave me the cup in his hometown, so that was really special. So yeah, we have a very connected. Yeah couldn't extent and did he keep in touch throughout your career? Did you see him around? There was a long period of you being a player and and many many years before he passed. It was he? Was You know he was here? Always here for me for advice, you know I went through a phase. You know when I was like eighteen nineteen and I felt like. I wanted to be by my own self. You know so. It was like you know you WanNa, be away from your father for who? This Seo I'm I'm Yani camera author and. It went on for a couple of years and then. But he was always there like he. Invited me played my first Orange Bowl in Miami. Miami Beach I was fourteen invited me. played Wimbledon with within. You know we play doubles at US Open together. We play doubles set. We will done. and he was always there for me was inspiring, obviously twice a mentor of status. And do you know today? I'm like? Oh. I was really impressed by what the work that the social work that he was doing. Decide the the you know one of the greats. Y- was always active so. The social worker working. And and most of all he was yet is these foundation was like helping kids in inner city to play tennis? And that was really inspiring, so one day I went to the. To the Bronx? New, York, and I saw what he was doing and I say all. I dream of doing that and Amid Foundation now score meal in France and we working all over France in eighty CDs. and. That was inspired by him. I just wanted to. Be Useful. You know besides playing. Winning losing, money. Whatever it was, it gave me. A different dimension it was something that makes sense, and and that's shows because of. Inspiration he says is advice. What was he like Yannick? What was he like as a person? Well, he was very was very quiet. Actually, it was very quite yet. Very. Little. Little sense of humor, but it was very was more introverted. And compared to be and I always remember like one day when we played with the first match replayed, was in on the court, and of course the press talked about this story. The fact that you know years before that he he saw me as a child. In Cameroon's. The central was packed and we playing in them. I remember we playing Bernie. Meet and Andy Pattison. From Rhodesia and South Africa, which led to the symbolic was really strong. and we playing them and I- posters of them in my bedroom full of them. So before we getting to the court, you know you have the always morning while you like staying in this room before everybody get. Installed good knowing the VIP's everything and I I read about an as we are about to go to court like saw nervous, my knees trembling. So we sitting in front of each other. and asked Arthur excuse me. Author Leash was terrible and I quit accusing yeah. It's possible, not Before in front of the other guys echoes why I I'm I'm too nervous too now to pay. And he starts laughing and the other guy. And he's the first. Time! TELLING THEM I don't want to play. It was like I was making a dream. I was like I. Didn't know what was going on. I couldn't put my. My mind together and and he says No. It's GonNa. Be Ok son so I actually don't remember anything about the first set. I was like on automatic pilot. I don't remember anything. And we ended up winning up I. Don't know if it was not eight. Six Year was eight eight six in the fifth. And as we win the match point, I jumped into his arm. I was so happy was like you know I could. I could go back to Cameroon buying it was that was that was like a whole food circle was so happy. I was in a dream winning without thirty center court and jumping to his arm, and before we go checking, says Yanni. It's only the first round. and. No he was, he was like A. It was like a big brother from you know it was like an uncle from. And you know now call is done so much so for me to have him. I used to go around. You know playing tournaments and people. Still this is authorized. Protege and Arthur was so pro so respected that I actually. Got Is respect. When I was starting, because people knew I was spotted especially when I was playing in the states. So and then you know again, you know advice you know about my career, but what to have mccrea's I wanted to do. He says you know. What are you worried about me because it was like? A party, Guy, you know even though I was a dream, my thing. was always worried about. And he says what are you going? What you WANNA do. Are you going to coach, said No. Noah I wanted to music. And I knew it was going to tell me that. Oh, please don't do that. and He. He. says. He said you know. The most important thing to do after you courage just make sure you do something that you like. And I've done music since and it's You know there was always good advice me. Yeah, that's that is very good advice, isn't it? You had been a professional for quite a few years. By the time you arrived. Run Garcia. Nine, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty three. What happened in Nineteen eighty-three that obviously we know you want, but. About that journey, because like I say you'd had you'd had some good results, but you hadn't had a result like that so. Well! In eighty two I think I made it to the quarterfinals. I felt that I was not quite there, but you know not too far. and. Make dream my ultimate dream. You know as a child growing up in Paris in France. I actually stayed one year as a tiny student in Oregon, gals dreaming on the sent anti-central quarterback, just playing that one day. You know I. I spent no by the beginning of the the late seventies at most to Peres so I was from Paris, my my family was leaving. Paris my friends were in Paris but my. Ultimate goal was to. Just win this. And this. You're eighty three. WE STARTED IN IN A. Inner. In March with my coach. chatmoss it now from now on. We're GONNA do everything we can just thinking about goal winning this. So, we have three months. So we started out. Practicing a lot I went I was playing great tennis. I was we went to to Monte-carlo. Play to win the first round second run third round I'm playing Manono Orontes. Manilow Dan was like thirty six. You Know I. It was for me an easy game to win. So I'm at the hotel eleven o'clock, and of course my friends are calling the. Doing when order to colleagues party time. Some like Oh! Whatever game tomorrow at Twelve. Thirty no oil, it's OK. Wake up at age discomforted. You just So I so cal come for wondering. It's okay so I ended up staying late. Way Too late. And I. Still it's okay. You know I'll seek to Nino tomorrow night. I'll be ready her semi final in. So I play my normal win. I said that believed. And then lose because I, got tired, and he was very very embarrassing. So Patrick came to me, but residual coach came to. Okay. You really screwed up. I? Don't want to be your coach. You know I I'd rather stay you friends, but I cannot work like that. We've been working already three full weeks and you know you are that you went out. Last night, so it's not I cannot work with this. I sit at sit twin. I'm really embarrassed I. Swear from now, let's go. Let's do it, you know. I'm embarrassed. And you weren't okay so I just I just finished the game like our before. So. We went right away. Okay, Kissel put take your going to go practice for another three hours, so we went practice right away. And then from then on I went work as I never did in my life. and. And the he we come you know I I went to play Madrid I one Madrid. I up the Lisbon to match in the finals. I was at six, four, five, four and it in the finals in Lisbon that went to play Madrid I win Madrid I will agree to play Hamburg at. Win Hamburg. Beating took good clip coach players. Then it was the mets and closely units. And then I'd week of off and then came the French and I. I played I played I was ready. You should were. You you had a match. Believe against even lendl. That fortnight's yes, what do you remember about? where I I always liked to play event, because even he was even was a better player, but I like to play him. Because we were both, we grew up as juniors together. It was always. One, two was one. He was too, but he was always Yvonne any Yanic. Since we've been lagging fourteen years all, so he was always like this competition between us, competition of style of of. Everything. Red X so different that with you know some respects. I was really you was pushing me up. And when I was playing him, I was always because I lacked his game equities game, so I was always being well against him for some reason, even though he won. One became one of the best the greats I never got to his level, but when I was playing him, I was always like playing great matches always ready. I was ready. I played him I was playing a quarter finals. I was very excited by the game, so I was. In the first set. Six, I was the first two sets quite easily. I'm up five three believing third. And And then he serves, and he's like he was like you know. You was like so upset he was. Acting like he was. Giving up and tanking. So, match point fifteen forty serve each service second service come to the net was never come to the never serve and volley, come to the net like walking, so I just pushed it back thinking. He's GonNa just. Give it back to me, and you just make a little in a nice little volley. You know thirty forty match second matchpoint third second second matchpoint. Game. I return better return, but he makes decent volley winner. Okay! I okay find. At that point. The energy like changed. The whole stadium started to like. I could feel the tension. I can feel the nervousness at an and I just. I just went into a black hole I couldn't think I just realized. I too much points ten. Two minutes ago. Back to five four I serve I. don't even remember what I did five or the next thing I know. It's two sets to one and I was I was I was completely in black tunnel. I didn't know where I was I couldn't think. Totally disturbed. And serving first game of the of the fourth. I'm serving love fifteen love thirty forty. The, you know I'm playing homes, so the people are just. What's going on I could feel it is like it was terrible feeling. And for some reason I don't know how I won the game. And from then on, I just came out of my tunnel. And I ended up winning this set six dollars for some reason, so he was like I almost eyesore death from so close. That you know it was like okay you. You died Yanic you another chains to come back so I so kidnappers chains I. Don't let it go. So I won the set and I ended up winning the game. And the match and I think that she every player. WHO's ever WANNA grand? Slam has had a moment like that. At least once in a tournament where it could have gone, the other way and things might have gone badly and yet you beat. Lendl and you were supposed to play. If the rankings were believe Jimmy Connors who you who you always struggled against, and yet he he wasn't there. Yeah it wasn't there. I was. Always had trouble which me because she had way of playing and he's. He was hitting the balls. He was not giving this top speed and you could hit the ball. Over you, you hips and on your. Above you heaps and the shoulders, high balls was always always like these low balls lobos, Heavy every he heats was always like always closer, and that's what you read out to to play earned her the bail to always always always and I like that. And he plays that stuff when she s lying and stuff for Shit I slept late the match his life, and and beat him, and that was like. The best surprise. So really not to play Cheney. And because I had I had the Kristoff I know Christoph. We grew up together and does him and I I was I had these games so? He was so funny because my problem then was okay, we still have a semi final to play. You have a couple. You have a couple of know one or two days to. Prepare for the semi finals. So. Don't think about the final. Just think about that was like. The main thing really focused on I was swift, cited I so coming in the finals I mean. Before playing and Battista, helped me then. And I played a really serious game. Really I didn't miss many I didn't Miss Anything. I was in such good shape. You know I just had one last set into hold tournaments so and I I really. Destroyed him, you know it was. It was actually put. It was terrible, because at some point I was actually hoping that you would play better because I was playing great, and he was not playing well at all, you was feeling. Overwhelmed by the the wind that he had against t me and I seem on TV all day long. Giving interviews Hiatchi me before the game he meets Minnesota. I remember once I was practicing and he was, he came to practice the day before the game. Are Semifinal. You came to at the Racing Club in Paris. And he came in. He had like probably like three cameras accrues around him like falling on the courts Fussy. Oh Jesus! How can we focus? That can concentrate, and he was mentally was totally drained totally mentally tired for my far against played a terrible game I played a great game and not beating variously. Six three six love six love and. I just wonder though Yanic. You have dreamed about this moment. You're going into the final. So many players. Have tried and failed since and. I wonder how you felt the day the night before you stepped out there against lender. While I was we don't we wear? I was staying in my Country House with my dad. You know we didn't want to. You know to have anybody else. In the House I was staying with died for the whole tournament, so it would be quiet. And and. We went back to the home. We had an early dinner and you know I was really relaxed. I was looking for for the game had played A. Couple of weeks before three weeks before in Hamburg and I and I became so I was very confident. I used to love to claim at and and I went to sleep and And for the first time it was the last time I dreamt about the whole match I. Dreamt the whole match. I said Dilu- second-set win third set win. Four set loose V set starts. And I lose the game. and. I'm like totally destroyed. I. Remember crying. I remember it was like so clearly. This is dream and And you know I hear a sound. And it's my dad, you know and. Cheese and I was in bed. I just lost the game. I felt like I was Monday was the game. And what's happening? Did you sleep well and I slept for eight. Eight straight hours. And, he goes you ready. And I'm like as love. The my body just feels like I. Just lost you dead norm flat dead. and. He goes you ready. You slept well and then an angry. Is that actually? I didn't play the game. The the dream was so real. So ice. Back Wow a second chance. Of these, I'm not gonNA, make the same mistakes. That's ID, Lakers. And I was so fired up, it was like having. You after that was working when I became a coach that was working exhbition, images. Yoga. and. It was like a natural feature, and super intense. Trip and I came on the court. Everything that happened during the match was kind of a day Jiji. was. That kind also new. So we went walnut that I knew that was the game of my life. You know it was. A Beautiful Day. I. I all. My family was their own of my family. All my friends everybody all the people that. Helped me during the game author was there commencing for the tea. Every e- missy one percent. Everybody was with the energy was like so perfect, perfect day I, was really hoping for a beautiful day, because as I was like the attacking. Player against the match. You know it's always better like you know. Warm conditions about bulls of forced faster the faster. And I knew it was the game of life, and as we wear like behind the curtain before coming up to the court. I remember praying and a never prayed in my life I never prayed I prayed. And And then after the prayer, I remember the feeling that I had is like was like. Not. Rather die that coming out of this court without the. It was the feeling that I was. Totally into the game, heart and soul for this came. It never happened to me after I played. I won some matches Never WanNa grandson won some tournaments, but never did have this thing was like. Oh, it was. It was like a spiritual thing I was. I was it was hundred percent. Meet Yanni tennis player. For these match I was ready to give everything including dying in I was really to die for this. And Happened? showed. Two seven, five, seven six. I've watched some of the match back before before. We started speaking and a couple of things that really struck me. One is your approach to the match, the the relentlessness of your charging to the net now and I know you did a lot of. A lot of time. You were the net in your career, but. Was this unusually. Aggressive. Yes. Well, you know Matt's was giving me the opportunity. After the game I talked too much much like my friend and we talked about this, you know. It will always laughing because when it comes to to Paris, even though he wants three times the French Open one seven grandson. We, we we used to do some exhibitions of charity matches and every time we. Introduced him the finalist of. The filing of goes eight. Was So. Anyway so we talked should after this game. You realize that you know you had. To change his game, and he came more aggressive, and this is when he became another player, he was more aggressive behind his first serve could even e- could come to the net. E could attack you. Was You was just you know not the player that was. When in eighty, one, eighty, two, eighty, three before the game, and but then when I play, it was basically staying in the back and trying to pass you daring us to come to the night. I'm just trying to pass you. And that was just perfect because you was, you was exactly the kind of game that I really liked and for me. Attacking was the only way I liked it. I love the tacking love. Being the net was my territory I loved. You on matchpoints are remember the matchpoint and the way finished it, and then you you immediately turn. And same to look feel that in the crowd, and he he, he's there. Just just talk us through that moment. Well you know when when you play, and when I when I, especially when you play at home because we have this next. This privilege as French. To play at home, you know we playing at home. When you play when I played on this court and I played for ten years. I knew exactly. Who is where? You know I know I know ways. My family, of course I know where all my friends. I don't varies these beautiful chicks that I saw the other day I know I take all the good energies. I know where everybody is. Of course you know my parents were. And you, know then you know I. You know I I, know I. Know I used to is my by my players Rhinos captain. Why did you to win and say well? You know the first time that will we want to win because we want to win the Scopus yet. But. Why do you want to indicate escape and sometimes you have an answer? I told them, and this is why we play for. The people sacrificed so much us. We play for them. When we win, we win for them. This is this is. The way we can give back. This is their reward. We win. We Win for them. We Win for the people we love. We Win for our fans. We but most of all the people be like separate. I sacrifice my childhood. Being with my parents just to be there at this moment. And but that was like my subconscious. I didn't like I couldn't put words into it. And so I win the match, point and I couldn't think I barely shook mets. And I forgot to shake. Doc Nines Referees had and I just saw my jumping. From the stands. And I lost the just start crying and he said as I was saying we were. We want that we want we want. We want and crying and you know he said I. Love You I. She's first time ever. My Dad told me loves me. I knew he did, but he never told me you know we had to go that far. And that this moment. Changed my life. It's just changed my whole life because. Not that was just the last the last French. Player wonder French, open. It was just that. The motion was so strong ensue pure. I think the last French. That won the French Open before thirty seven years ago. People were so happy. That gave rebounding the where crying. People were crying in front of the TV. And you know I it was like the best motion possible. How many times you cry of happiness in the arms of your father. You know if you're lucky to it once. You know you're GONNA. Let man or look up. You know you never cry of happiness, you cry, you cry of sadness of milk or your you know. Some companies can have some teas, but like cry cry. Father. In front of millions of people so since then you know. I I went into. All these French people's heart, you know. And, that's the best way to go and. Get into people's, you know. Heart, you know through the best was the best door. and. And to that day, people always talk to me about always always always. Every time every day if I walk. Find somewhere. Someone's GonNa. Tell the I remember where I was. It was such a beautiful day. We were with a family. We chopped up and down in front of the TV. We started crying. We hugged each other it was it was really really the most emotional think I've lived and and I did it in front of millions and the best part. Because sometime you can say I remember when the cried of happiness. In the of my parents, you know, but the good part is at a heavy. Don't tape. On tape and I can show my I can show my children I can short. and. He's funny, because one the first time joking. Won The NCAA tournament with the gators. As a basketball player you want. And he was like the and the first thing he did was to walk up the stands and came to hug us. All. Is Mother was like it was the best day was. It was like the best? For my child to do it, too, was like just amazing. So this is history teaches like he was like a moment that we know. Obviously I will never forget. It was that you know people always remember if I sometimes forget of course I'm not here thinking about all the time, but. People. Remind me of these time always with a good smile. And That's it. That was my French Open if I'd won Wimbledon, which I've never came close to, but maybe us or the Australian Open. You would've been the same. Out All not all I want at home, and after that you know I, didn't. All. I couldn't. I was not motivated to to to to have another one I never got this fire. Working hard but I never had this extra fire that was almost. Almost spiritual. You know it was a question of. Dying never had this after that. Because I achieved it I should everything warranted. if I had one maybe before the Australian Open. The US Open maybe I would have. Tried to for one because my goal was to win the French, open. And you went beyond. You know because my dad coming everybody whole. Energy was super perfect. You couldn't be better. It was a dream. Story. You've described how how afterwards getting that level of motivation you? You didn't find it as as a player at least I, I just WanNa. You mentioned Wimbledon when when people see you serve and volley in your athleticism. You had a big serve. Why did you not play better at Wimbledon? Because because to win Wimbledon, you have to return, and the return of serve was my. My weakness. I was way too high on my. Gamal my my step. My step in I was always I was I was always I? was talking to your by Jimmy. Connors, I was very always very uncomfortable with nobles. And as you know back in the days, it's not right now. Whether grass was cut. From the net to baseline meaning the the rebound was like. Lor. that. It is now where they cut the grass the loan from the back. To the. To the grass grows the other ways. Basically, the the ball bounce higher. So this is why now you have guys staying winning. Wimbledon, staying in the back, we, it couldn't happen before it. was impossible except for bjorn was like. From another planet, but I I I couldn't return. Serve and I grew up on clay. Always like to come to the net with approaches, but I didn't have a weapon in terms of groundstrokes that could like make. ME. Break and I never had break points never saw. You. So into joke that people when I started to grow. dreadlocks people say. It doesn't like the grassy. Prefer to smoke it. But I was funny. No I didn't I couldn't I couldn't grasp because my My my my my foot knife footwork was not adapted to the grass. I was always sliding. Falling. SPECI- as you know the first week, under the grass is like softer and you sleep. And I never went third round. You were in part of incredible era of tennis players. We've mentioned Jimmy Connors. We've mentioned even Lindell. You mentioned. Just then and John McEnroe. The these are plays. They're all so different as players and people, aren't they? And and you part of that? What? What was it like being amongst that group? Well, it was A. You know when I was playing I used to like win. Matches I remember one day I was planning Philadelphia in the semi finals and playing Kevin Current. I'm better ranked that him, but I always respected to players always thought these guys are better than me. I was always impressed by all of them. And A B team. I START I've teased my eyes. And and my question. What's wrong? It's. Kevin Curren. I said but you better that can current. He's a great player, but you you better than him. And ours always that saying that I never took anything for granted, always felt coming from Cameroon. My I I made my racket my first racket from the first two years. My parents could afford a racket. I made my own racket, the piece of wood and for two years at played with this a have a racket I didn't. I didn't have with my friends we didn't have. Any balls at one ball I played with so much that have anymore for on it. It was just rubber and had my I put a name on it. You know what I put a name or the name on my bowl, and nobody could take it was. A ash was my ball. Nobody could steal it. So when I played and during my, you know I was like always like so much sometimes too much respect in terms of like you know. Either leising these people beyond GMO easily, I'd Riano. Jimmy John Hours like Wow Yvonne. I'm with these guys. I'm with these guys I couldn't believe it. Most of them. I mean the people I just told you better than me, but I was competing with these guys fetus guarantees. The beauty of it is like you know. We had as I, look. Back in we had like. This styles. He was the beginning of Topspin. So you had guys playing flat tennis? I would say like tennis of the seventies eighties with one group, and you started to have the top seven people show at the end of the tennis, so you have different styles before that in the seventies, all the players tennis was like all dressed in white with a clean cut hairstyle you know. All of a sudden. You have like guys. Steve Guys, clean cut. Some guys long hair yet he pees. You have guys playing with headbands. You have people. Name with Collared Shirt tennis people started to really. Denny's became popular. Could wear. You can wear. Jam was. My shirt or Janis shirt. On a pair of jeans and go to the discotheque. That was hip because you were that, was it? You know and They was they were you? Not You know I remember like when Bjorn wonder if the the French and he went to Wimbledon was like seventeen, e e e e couldn't go to the outside court. Not because it was too crowded of course was crowded. You know but ten times more crowded, but it was just girls. Just Gill screaming was like the first. Rock Star of tennis and I think. The best ever at that level he was the best e was the one who brought. You know. Will Be. May tennis popular and of course you know you always have to have was that? He's called guy and yet. Johnny was a fire. illy was the the the comedian greatest talent. You know that old school. You had your Mo-. You know port. You know. He's like going out with the Princess of Monaco. You I've a Jimmy was like going with Miss World. ENOR- and I'm not. This is cool, maybe I can you know if I play well? Maybe I can see. You may get some beautiful Gills in Oh. I see I remember. To use to US Open and he was like the first year that Flushing Meadows and we use. It was easier to take the train and I'm I'm like. We have the GMO and everything yet, so taking the training. I'm playing A. An evening station on the grain stand. And I remember the Gerulaitis was playing on the stadium nights stations so i. I arrive at four o'clock UNICYCLE from the train station too clever, and and before you could park like almost in in front of the other of the acidity of the stadium. And that we walking through the park and I see, she says arriving with. A Yellow Convertible Royce. Three girls. Coming out of the car. Three Pudi full gills in already dressed to play, you know. With these bag I remember, you had a gene yet. The Gina Jacket on top of Stacchini. Hot Feet and other Sheriff Star. You know e was the rock and roll of tense e was unbelievable and I see. This is what I would love to come close to. and. Yes and people you know we were close to. Keep the the the the. They made a really bad bad. Rule, which is this code of conduct where you you know you get a? You get a warning when you hit. You know I'm not you know you said F word you get you get another. Penalty and you can be disqualified. They killed the game with that. They killed it because now the it's not that the players of today they don't have personality. They have unbelievable personalities better not allowed to explain to express it, and now you have generation of players were learned a game with this code of conduct. Therefore you don't. You can see a game. And Fuller pay. You don't even know his voice. You know and and I think I know that people what they lack of course. It's like the different star that used to talk to you. I just talked to your balance. You know the top spins attacking guys defense guy. Was You know Collard collar shirts collared. Different rackets or the long hair you know, but then you know you. People knew US then S. they knew when they were rooting for one. They you know people you know John John. People loved to see John Because. They knew it was going to be trauma. Drama was great. You know and then you would have another one. You know how how we going to react to this drama. People came to see this. As a few people are remember John. Mac, you know because of his touch. Of course I re I remember. Best they're ever you know, but people say I remember. John Wow you know. One day br broke his racket. threw. The ball into the stands one day screen for ten people remember, and was part of the story was pummeled of the FEM-. It was a scenario. You didn't know what you are going to see when you had. US playing she does he do you don't know which as you're going to have you know the remember the story of Vitas playing Bjorn, they were best friends and Nj tests with always three four, five and bog was one one one and bog had him, but they were best friends. So one day they played bog wins once twice three times fifteen times sixteen times, and they played at the at the I'd matters New, York. And and they played I. Don't remember it was a semi final fifty eight was a semi final. And feed us one. Win The game, so there's an interview on the court. And and the speaker says feed as you say. Hey, there's something that after say, nobody in the history of Tennis Nobody Beats Vitas Gerulaitis more than sixteen times in a row. fillers Vitas bar just. slashing. And yes, so yes I think we played in a time where tennis was popular because it was like Jahn the game he was beyond the game. I have so much respect for the generation today. Play some unbelievable tennis, but they don't have these. Luxury to really express themselves with people. Don't see it. People don't see I, don't they? Don't feel it. People don't know them. Really you know not dial. You. Know is a strong player united. She's one of the best. Ever. But you don't know him. You don't read or read on, know him. Within. The code of Conduct Yelich wins. Therefore when you were down the other end of the court from John. When when he would lose. What was it like I? Mean we were you able to rationalize that viewpoint then and think what actually this is good for the game. He can do it. That's fine or Or was it. Was it tough? No it was. It was part of the big of the Game John Always. Beat me always. He had me because me. The energy that I loved was like a happy energy. Excitement. A showtime kind of energy you know. And and John. Liked the drama elected you coming with John on the court? Okay, we like same size. We starting to play. I'm doing a couple of jokes trying to pass as me I dive. I make a good show and I'm taking the energy and taking the I'm taking all the energy. I remember playing him once in Dallas that used to have the W. C. T. in Dallas Tournament of champions I'm playing him. We both from New York, so we add spend some time together. At my place that he plays, you know. So! We friends, so we go to play and okay. We get on the CO together and I'm starting for the first time I'm playing well the energy good people are rooting for me I was always Democrat crowd favorite some taking all the energy of the stadium. A much bigger than him now. At that tiny for no reason he created like problem. He twenty, nine thousand to scream. Then the Energy Tori change my film. You know my script scenario that I wrote was comedy phone. Happy feeling it was people enjoyed, and all of a sudden like brings like trauma. And as I I is, it goes I see my my energy going down down. We didn't even play yet again. And this is what happened anyone. And at one point, we have an argument on the court. He comes to the net and I'm like. Me At the time, I'm talking to my friend. I said John Come Man, and you know what he said Fuck you. For Real and like I, was like I I was I was hurt. So, that any got me then you got me, so you know we're playing in Dallas where the mavericks playing, so we have these big locker rooms. You know where you have one. You know. We all stay in these big locker rooms. Tournament of Champions, eight players, so we like taking the shower and we ended showers with together naked. We together naked I know in the shower stays like five minutes. He's going Takao Rochon I'm going to showers so these nobody just us in the shower naked. And as communist turned his back show Muzak. Like you know, I'm not talking to some John. John I mean that means enough I lost I. Reach out to John so that means like what we're not friends anymore. And he goes I'm sorry man is part of the game, so I'm sorry man and he got me and you know I if I understood. At that moment you know the which John Never had a problem when he was winning, it was always when he was very close or when he was losing and when he started to do this. Wherever you wear in the other side of the net, you didn't even exist. And this is when he was getting energy. So that was that was, his game was the mind game he was playing I realized late. You know when. I started to work on late in my career and when I was coaching, so the part of the mind game things that you thought about getting four forehands, a back ends. I used to play beyond one day. I'm playing in stow calm. And you know it's very. I don't think it happens that you remember the best rally a your life. The best rally, so we're playing Stockholm I think in the semifinals. And at one point, we have a rally that you know from the. From the back. Left right left right left. Right left right at one point I'm like tired. I'm getting tired during the rally in our because he's been coal most a minute hitting so of course I okay I'm going for the last shot. I'm trying to hear okay. I need a win or not, because I can't breathe so I hit it. Come to the net. Eh passes me I dive. Comes allows me, I run I. Don't have anymore guess. I run I hit. A shot is back. We going on a rally? I know he's. Finally come to the net you know and I in a great approach. You passes me. The whole stadium stands up screening. Screaming I look at him. And I've like I feel proud him. United Smile, you know. Look at me. He doesn't even. Doesn't. He barely looks at me. Go back and take the next book from the WAL boy. This point counted for one set. It got me. Got Me because I wanted to connect with him. You know just have a little break. Connect you. Let me. And I was gone ice cold note, but bork now is like one of my best friends you know. We talk all the time you know. We see each other. We spend vacation together like the best and then. No that was his thing. Back End forehands strong, Best Best Physical Athletics Athlete. I've seen on the court ever. Remember. He won these thing that call the superstars you remember. It was his thing with all different athletes from. Different disciplines, and he wanted easi easily, but yeah gone, that was beyond that was his energy. Gamma was the point you know you can gain. Was a pilot. Was Yours right? He was actually writing books. John was a bad guy. Good guy you know, so you come to your film. It's the scenario you. Go to play tennis, but it's it's it's. It's almost secondary. What how going to play? They want there's an interaction between the you don't have it anymore. You. Don't have it and you know what that's that's. That's sad I would. Stop this code of conduct you know. Would stop it. If somebody is somebody's behaving bad. So the people are going to. The people on GonNa buy shirt all by the east shirts ore. By his racket all follow him all of. Getting the feeling that maybe the guys that don't want. They're not prepared to be the bad guy. Even, if maybe it might might suit, the might be their personality. I mean I think federal wonderful, but not everybody can be like them. Well, not everybody, but they grew. Grew up learning the game with this rule. This is different. You know time you remember about the Australian Open, you know they. They brought this rule supposed to Johnny mackinaw quarters. He's playing. Turn forward we. Have the barbecue after that that cashes place. So I'M AT A. Place in Melbourne. We assigned the garden watching TV. Because Johnny's playing pernfors, he's going to probably win and comes and join us for the barbecue. So, watching the game and it was the code of conduct was starting so John It was actually made for John Mostly. To all of US senators the problem the next thing I know I'm playing to win. The next thing I know John was disqualified. Out of the Australian Open. And Michael Poulsen and I. Love to play these kind of players I told you. We came to. The Barbecue. Is All upset? You know cut? Strata for one. You know bring my wife and children not qualified. I Sit John I. can't I'm really sorry for you? But I can't lie. I'm really happy to play. So we had a few beers barbecue again like I as we as we speak now, Janis. He's. Good friend with my son in and spend a Lotta time together. That's part after all these over. We know we. We stay friends, but we at these moments. Of We could play. In tournaments and During tournaments, and and you know interact and socialize together and barbecues. A tweezers in New York during the US Open. We used to rent like a big music studio because some of the guys were missions or trying to position when Jim Courier a Cossio. Multi car ski my. Whole azure myself. Johnny Mack! And you know we had these open studio. And after the Games you know unique was opened with no some beers in the whatever back in the days. you know soft drinks and. And we, which is jamming together. The tournament we also did it once in Austria we used to jam together with Jim. And It doesn't happen anymore. It doesn't happen anymore. And yeah, no to come back to your question. The Atwood's E. Yes, Roger, you don't see Roger. Green but you have to remember join. Roger. Hazard Gina was a little Brat. As a junior was a little spoilt Brat, breaking records cursing, and he came into the circuit, and he became like this zen-master is beautiful. But the the the whole, but these guys. None the game. With these rules you know. And and. There's also one thing that he's not killing the game today. I don't know if you could be sneak David. So cattle, What is it with a towel? These people sweating more than Earth Watch. What is it with towel that you need a towel before every point? That you have a match that goes that you actually fifty minutes of tennis and the match last two and a half hours because the guys. Need a towel between every single point. This is not possible. We have to stop the towel. Yet a respond. Get to response you. Yvonne, at least reasons like we take almost always four home. Get the respond change respond. Get a towel when you during the changeover. What is it with towels? Every single point or my corona virus is tragedy, but perhaps it's one thing that it will stop biggest. The. About this show. I mean God now. I'm not playing I'm watching a game. It's a show I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not in front of my TV watching a game where I have to watch somebody just. You know trying to dry up. All Day long you know. I I decided to stop now. Just one of the things I wanted to ask you about is the atmosphere you described in the eighty-three running across, and how you? You never managed to find that level of motivation again. On the court, but would it be fair to say that you did as Davis Cup captain, because the reason I ask because I watched back the ninety-one. final. The journey to that Title I I am struggling to think of an atmosphere that I've watched on TV like that, it was just incredible to watch, and that's just on TV. Just wonder. How? That experience felt for you. Well I had I. I wasn't a circuit with my friends. You know we friends. We played in Florida. We put in California. We ran the same house. You know I'm the godfather of ease? Gi Forges son in a family. You know we finally, I'm like best man at our. He'll cones. Mary Wedding I'm the. I'm the big brother I introduced you know. Some girls to them when they're young, you know. I'm like the big brother inaudible in Paris. They come to sleep at my place when they're juniors. You know I, take them on my Porsche and then. Best friends and when I stopped in eight, nine, hundred ninety. They asked me to be captain captain, and I never thought about it. Yeah, no, we won't you around. I say fine so I I was like the Captain Silky guys list right to win this. So I was coaching, my best friends. So it was very strong and when we started. You know we we we wear. Our connection was look so. Perfect you know in the team was like new. In the communication and motivation we were doing. We have to say we do we. We are doing it. Because we friends. Not Teammates friends, brothers we were. We were like brothers the whole team, even even the coach everybody. Our team was like a team of brothers for real for real. So, that was our energy, and and yet we paint think Pete and Andre. Beaten Andre. Even though Pete and Andre was not, they were not wanting to, but I think they were three Sikhs or whatever, but there was a pizza present Andrea Agassi. And Ken flags instead we playing Liam. People in your like the first time this have these incentives stature final Davis Cup. We haven't played when Weiner Davis Capsule. I don't forty years fifty years, so it's a big deal. So! Yeah, we, we went. For A. Off Enfranchise so we go. Basically, we went in place with nobody. Practice like we never did before. For ten days before going to join practice when exerts. Basic prepared for the Davis Cup for like two weeks just for this goal. And we arrived so prepared. You know a lot of yoga by then I was. Reading, you know doing of your guy. He's got his ation. So photo he and And, my My two mentors and I read all the books where on Gelo Dandy. Haji coach! How'd you coach Mohammad-ali I'd you sugar? Coaches people. so he was very inspiring to a lot of notes trying to be inspired, and and and and and most of all the books flow Jackson. I was reading all these books. how you know it brought like A. Bringing Spiritual Dimension to the coaching so all this amid my only male. My only coaching and It was really working with with my best friends. And when we came on to play this, we were ready. We didn't read Nowadays, you cannot really. Take out of the the the general energy because of the social. Networks ended phones and swimming fulfills before night to say okay, we don't read newspapers. these new newspapers around, so we cut the TV's, and we don't. So we know what was going on. which is getting ready. All we have to think about is getting ready for this match when we came. Yes they played, they played the best tennis of their lives because. You had key for J. in the team, but you also had unruly content center, and the heat had a pretty serious injury, not long before that. Yeah, we were playing the semifinals and. He had a back injury and. Off when he was not playing with would gain. Unbelievable weight. Really quickly. So we hadn't played for like. A month and a half when we were playing the semi final against Yugoslavia. Didn't. He and I called him asleep. I felt bad for him I felt. I really felt bad for him as my friend because we were playing eating play for a few months, he we are paying a semifinal. The Davis Cup. It was his dream, but he couldn't eat could. Not even jog could could barely walk you a so big? It was fat. You're thinking like twenty five pounds. That's how bad it was. So I called him because I felt, you know eastern things. Probably, there's no way I can leave him. Watching these TV Swat. Coleman okay, what you WANNA. COME BACK! You Care if you. Come and see the game you know. And we felt sad. You know we made it to the final, but we felt sad because you're super sad. And I know. Was the trainer of of the team sit Yan we have to you the finals in two and a half months. Why don't you come? You're the only one can go. Talk to only antennae that we need him for the finals. Just just giving these energy. At least lose. Weight at least give a call. Because now he was sad. He was pathetic. It was really sad. And I'll do that. So I remember everybody goes. To go take the the cars to go to the airport. Now we have an hour. I called him as you. Would you come by my room? You Know I. Need to talk to you, so he comes so he's happy for us, but I can tell like suicide suicide deep inside. You know a warrior, but he's like he can't play. Too Big too fat. So I see. Your you know what? I have to have something to eat from these moment you work. You go to a place where you're gonNA have affect special. Diet take care of you buddy for one month. One and a half month. Workout! issue. Shoot do that I. don't care if you. Today one match before the final issue. Just do that every day you look at me as you do it, I'll take you in the team. I don't WanNa. Play but I'll take unity. And then only started to cry. And you just you just said he cried, cried cried, he just went. He told me he told the only thing says thank you. Never forget that. Any? Plane. We went back to Paris. It took a car straight that night. It drove during the night to place. 'cause syndrome is like a Rehab Place Any stayed there for. Five weeks. Five weeks nonstop. I was calling every year. You know once a week at the beginning and then people that never got never seen the. Working so hard. He lost like. Twenty pounds in two months. Were crazy arrived in a match, we went to these. Places I told you start to practice with the team you know might. Look the one supposed to play back, then was on Birch or did he do it or end for Shuki, but number. Ensure. I know he was their first day. Plays Games against them. You. Six, three, six, two, six, hundred eighteen clear sets for like four-month next day, two, six, four, six, three, six, two. And it went on and then by the end of the. The the whole thing you know he started to. Beat them like one to win. One playing unbelievable he was, he was on. A mission was just GONNA mission. So Yeah He. Played His best tennis than you know because it was like more than tennis was something inside, that was like Oh! You are so close to like he was. He was thinking about retiring. So of course when you ready. Pumped up fired up. you almost use to death you at dead. Literally dead three months ago, when not clear anymore now you playing the some the final Davis Cup with Pete. And Andrea. Was Out of I love to watch this because. The of course the shots was unbelievable tennis for these days. Come believable tennis. But what I love to watch. She's like. The connection the eyes of the guys there are. Ready to die. No fear, Warriors, peaceful warriors like crazy I love to see that an I can see religion a connection with my eyes when I played my final of the French Open and there is when they played his final, it was crazy. I was was crazy to be connected like that and you know I. Never had it after that never even though we won. Twice after that I never had this. Intense connection with my payers. They're my best friends. You know it's like I'm playing with my best friends. You know we're in a five four in assists. And you're going to sit. You know you look at the person in front of you is your best friend. You know, of course, you're GonNa do what to do. Because he's not, he's not. He's not alone They're playing together and more more more than that. You know we're we're. We are team of friends so. I could tell the energy and the people felt it. The people the crowd. They felt it because we you know we were supposed to lose this. One chance at a ten. Were supposed to lose it, and then the and after the first day like one Oh, then we win the doubles. So Story to tell you you have time. So it's to one so now. We twin what we need. We we need now is like one point the whole thing which was like. The upset of you know our our history. So. To win I said Agassi was paying unbelievable, because even though Galas between the first day. I can see played unbelievable. Game played fantastic match in a fantastic Mesa great match, but I guess he was like I've felt. That the only one to win a I don't I didn't think that he would be. Agassi! So I, said I got to be. So. So we've watching videos and was very gay would Nev- never? Tell you I'm going to beat this guy. Never, so we watching videos? And Katie's the way we want to play Pete you know okay, this is this okay. Okay, so now you have to keep on that. So. I so I to before he goes to bed UK Iglesia. You have it okay, so you're gonNA. Go in sleep on that dream about this just the way we just talked about. And then for the any, says one thing Yanni. I swear. If I win. I'm not gonNA, be. Jumping up and down and crying and stuff. I look at him and I was so happy, because for the first time told me that he believed he could do it. So he goes to sleep. So now me and my room I I usually don't sleep like nervous. So, After one and a half hours by nice like warning the morning, my phone rings. A bill forty. She goes Yanic. GIG can sleep crazy. It's crazy. East like sooner. A. Going around the room at twenty per ticket by took, can sleep, but now east-leading me. Studying me that. Bad And she goes. Is You bad Yannick? Because he knew that he was listening, I said well. My bet is really hard. You know. The mattress is really it's really hard. It's a hard mud. Oh, he's a hard metrics. Can we come into your room any change room so he? We are exchanging rooms at three in the morning because. Of course the metric exactly the same that you needed to know that was around I. Guess. So he goes. and He. We aren't a bit of changing rules changing beds. That take bets the bed where the same anyway, so by not what's going on? What's going on, but? Some growing. I know I have an idea, so we were staying in the middle in the middle of the town, and it was all these restaurants, and we could sometimes he people chanting all the crowds where supporters defense the so by three in the morning, just took my jeans on. Get dressed and going to the street and go to the I've got. Walking place where you have no cars, we've all the restaurants are very popular place, yonkers. We miss you so I knew that like hundreds of fans. Thousands of fans way there you know. I decided to go so I went to all the restaurants. All the restaurants standard in one table a freshman stand on tables. Oh, yeah, because they know guys i. have to Tell You I count on you tomorrow. You really have to help. You need you. Gain it. You okay. Yeah, yeah, I so I went to about twelve restaurants to do that like. Fire the whole might defense. Oh, the next day you know it was crazy. G told me that even though it can sleep a lot, but he slept very well the bed. The crowd with crazy. It was crazy. It was just fantastic. Twelve like I. Don't think we've had we've never. We've never had that after. Never never had the amount of energy coming from the crowd never. and. and He. Took that help help them you know and. And that was fantastic and wins this game. Crazy, you know after, tell you. Last week. I told you that also came to Arthur came to Cameroon right. Any with Tom Walker. Some augert. Charlie, Pasarell and Marty recent Tomoko my first. Time, I was playing singles in Davis Cup was against Holland. Tomoko I'm playing Tomoko. Like to seven years after. Actually yes seven years after we met in Cameroon. I'm playing him. So he was part of all the whole. My whole stories from my first Davis Cup player. He's to play Tom. I'm trying to make the story short. The fifth set we playing on carpet, playing the fifth. I'm serving for the match at. I think eight seven or Tena of ten nine I'm sorry for the match. Forty thirty matchpoint I serve you returns I make volumes backhand. It's a winner. I throw my Reckitt, up. Okay I want. Dives. You have to look at it slow motion. I throw them, Iraq. It's he's beaten. It dives. The bullies behind him, and for some reason with his wrist. He hits the ball back. The problem is when the ball little mini love that comes. I finished the volleys underground, but the promise that I through Iraq. So I, don't have a racket. So. The ball comes slow motion in front of me and I take it with my hand my racket. He's over there. You imagine yen the crowd in Holland screening. Screaming screaming were almost lost. Dispatch because of this mistake. I'm nineteen. At this point. You know when you're young, you don't you don't think too much. Don't don't panic. You know this the energy of being young. So end up winning this match, but I will never forget this. Listen to this. Look at look at the finals complete. Sampras looked at the match point because I told them to story I told the. So many times. It part of the story was all did that was a joke, Bob? We laughing about it for years? Even before it was captain, look at what happened was. Look at the final. Is I took it back end? Pete returns to his down the line. and G makes like a perfect volley. Cross court volley. The winner. If you look at the image. Look at it. Pete Dives. Dives this is a winner Ev, nine, hundred, nine, four ninety, so we the the. Pete Dives. And hit the ball. And Give a slow ball back. That actually hit a little bit of the net and come. But look at. Almost Swiss racket. Almost always record away. Almost did the same thing goes crazy, but he kept the racket crown already cheering that I shall. Always Movement is going to throw his racket. And then the ball comes, doesn't the racket is really and then and then you said he was going to cry and stuff. I don't think I've ever seen. A player collapsed to the ground quite like the way he did it was. He completely lost control of his body. He just let's I mean it was the ultimate matched was the ultimatum and winning Davis Cup for us, you know we have tradition for Davis Cup you know deep shot three used to be the president at this dream of winning the Davis Cup. either. So, it's like it. It met in meant a lot. It was like. Shambo tie was like the one of the Moose Curtail was the reason why we slackers. And Crochet. where the reason why to hold on gallows was built, was built, was in the state in this at the stadium. You was there it was. It was filled with history. D. Is is very special. Guy Loves the tradition he loves loves scope, I. Think loved more that actually winning a grand slam as a teammate easer. So tools to win this last point for him was. The universe. and. And it's it's it's. It's really. Moment that where you know all of a sudden you you just you. Just fall. Just fall it. Can you do is joy? You can die at this moment. Doesn't you won't make different? You won't make a difference, so that was special. Such such wonderful memories. You best friend, you know you cry and hug you best friend. You know that that's what Davis Cup gave us. That was ten. Hug, my dad. I cried of happiness and cried for happiness, hugging my best friend because. You know, we won the Davis Cup together so that's something that. that. We have a forget of course. The wonderful wonderful stories. Thank you so much for your time. It's been worth. Davis will welcome in really was great to talk to you and. After, all these years, that's a long time. I've probably heard one or two of these stories over the years when we were traveling on. Always wanted to do this and and it's just lovely. Thank you so much. My pleasure David. Yannick Noah mortar man, what a guy! He is I just love talking to him and. I hope you've enjoyed listening to that as much as I did because he's the best interview around and and it's just the thrill really to had him as guest here on the tennis podcast. If you've enjoyed it, do tell you friends. You'll family your social media groups. She. What's that groups? Our linked to share this interview is in the show notes to this podcast and yeah. Thanks very much for your company as always we will love in producing the podcast and we'll be back with many more over the coming weeks. We're going to have a meeting this week to discuss. Our plans will have daily shows during the US Open fortnight, whether there is a tournament or not, where we know it still up in the air. 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US Open Day 6 - Serenas statement; Felix takes flight; Tsitsipas - What happened!?

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US Open Day 6 - Serenas statement; Felix takes flight; Tsitsipas - What happened!?

"Hi this is Marion. Bartoli. Mats Wilander this is Mary Carillo. I'm stunned Rohingya and lighting Hewitt I'm Andy. Murray. This is Yannick Noah and you're listening to the tennis podcast. And Welcome to the one hundred tennis podcast of twenty, twenty a year in which we hardly had any tennis and we're still come up with a hundred show. Sound quite proud of that. and. Just, by way of introduction for those, you only just started listening to the tennis podcast you in the US Open My name's David Law. This is Catherine where to go helicopter Catherine. Hello David. New Listen this is speaking. Yeah Catherine's a very fancy TV presented by the way if you just needed checking and she's just come back from wearing lots of TV makeup and being in the studio. No Right now I'm not I've chiseled off the first three inches of makeup. There is still some remnants. If, you'd like to the process looks like we have posted a picture or three on our social media channels today at tennis podcast. If you'd like to know how the TV world works, it was a bit of an eye opener for me after. Market Jim Carey's. The, mosque. and. The being woman world. Works David. Yeah. Yeah I'm learning. I'm only forty six, nearly forty, seven Just. Just learn all the time. That the voice you just had was Matt Roberts who's also past tense podcast math and yes and Not a TV presenter. Still, time. Right. So let's talk about some tennis showy and let's start with. Last night because this time last night. Matter the words Oh sit Sebastian Orage sits apostle win that and you know I think we'll probably be pretty quick. Thanks David. Three that was. That was agreed by the way. Yeah. That was part of a conversation in which I said Oh yeah. Now. That's GONNA be one sided. Surpass. So that's tell us what did happen because after Catherine went to bed. I helped you a little bit with the tennis podcast recording and editing and I just saw I think it was i. think sits the just got the break in the third set on the. I'm just going to hang on to see if he holds this and then I'm GonNa go to bed at two sets to one. Which I did. And then I woke up. To Matt's WHATSAPP which said. Wait until you read about passing charge it is wild yet. Tell us more. Yes. I was not expecting to still be up after it was light. I had my breakfast before I, went to sleep. Everything was very strange and that was all because I got caught up and swept up by churches comeback against sit surpass because sit surpass got himself to five one up in the fourth set church held serve sits passer free at five to lost serve had match points at five three, two of them lost them both with errors had triple match point on his serve at five four made three more errors had advantage on his five four made another era lost his serve lost the next two games church took the fourth set. Sit. Surpass. Regained some sense of composure in the fifth set after really spiraling both in terms of his play and his mental stability in that fourth said he was he was shouting his dad throughout that fourth set. Maybe, we'll come on so that relationship in a minute, but it was quite uncomfortable to watch at times. He did compose himself in the fifth set went up a break immediately lost it the only possible solution to the Max v set tiebreak it went there. To sit surpasses I three serves with double faults and Church won the tiebreak and completed the comeback it was it was completely extraordinary and I tweeted that it fell intrusive to watch it because there was nobody watching obviously in the stadium apart from the two teams. So if you were watching this match you were you were kind of getting a particularly intimate experience, but it felt excruciating an intrusive because it was so difficult to watch sits at Pasco through that it was it was almost cruel there was that we were allowed to watch this because it was It was a shock, an implosion that I've never seen him before and it was it was a really tough watch, but also also an intoxicating one. Friend wondering real all of that off without glancing down at any kind of nights whatsoever. It's like is indelibly printed on his brain. Yeah, you know I woke up this morning to a Reply to our. Promotion of that as of last night's podcast, the I reply was. Did you talk about sits upstairs. To try to explain, yeah, we did just a out of dates and embarrassing. How Did after explain we can't on this occasion do an emergency podcast because matters the only one who saw its and he's just gone to bed at seven a. m. and. Eight thirty am without having seen any of it. So we're going to have to wait until until tonight. So that's why you hearing about it now, but it was it's worth the wait to talk about it because the so much to unpack there isn't a an and starting immediately with sits surpasses tweet. How long after the match did sit surpass tweets the this is the funniest and saddest thing that has ever happened in my career I think literally ten minutes. He barely left the court and suddenly. That tweet popped up on his timeline I mean, he left the court. Talk just yeah. A rack of a human being they not allowed to wear. This is USA open unless they're physically playing tennis. There's a lot. There's a lot of. The shirt listeners I am enjoying all the sort of pauses when they remember that they have to follow protocol whether it be in a match when someone's hit a blistering winner march the chair. GonNa, pick up my towel. It sort of takes away from that moment and sit surpass was wandering off the call Anita put on my mask and it kind of should my. It kind of took away slightly from his sort of quite dramatic exit. The nipples can remain expose but not the nose and mouth. Maybe I'm, David. I will so. He didn't do a press conference some rating I'm not quite sure why. I'm not sure extraordinary. It was about two in the morning local time left alone everywhere else in Europe where it was seven, eight him but yeah, I, mean. I'm not really sure as to the reasons for that. I'M GONNA. quit on Bona cherish how how enough to do that I mean was it Sounds like. The choke of chokes really. But that also feels that little unfair to change. What's what's your feeling on? Well. Yeah I mean it was. It was a definite choke from sits to pass. But other than those moments, the quality remained very high for the match in Church certainly paid very good match and what I thought he did was make it a bit personal. Once he realized there was a chance of a comeback. He he started fist pumping in sits surpasses directional getting in his face and I don't really think of churches that kind of person but I think he sent there was an opportunity and that sits pass was not particularly stable and he's a he's incredibly consistent. Player from the back of the court when he's playing well when he's when he's off his forehand sprays all over the place but this was the best I've seen in place since two thousand, eighteen season, which was when he beat veteran Hallo in Shanghai and helped Croatia win the Davis Cup and looked like he was on the verge of a bit of a breakthrough really or another breakthrough after his initial one years before that and yeah, he was he was really great and it's a it's taken awhile to get to this stage because I remember speaking to him. In Australia at the start of the year when he said he said that he goes on the court expecting to play badly. At the moment which was the which was how low his confidence was I mean that is. That's as low as confidence can get I think and it's taken them quite a while to rebuild it and this was. This was being rebuilt I. Think he looked he looked like a different man when he was mounting that comeback. Remember talking to you about an press conference of his that you went to Australia and being really affected by it. Actually I mean, I'm not sure he's he's this word, but it sounds to me like he's gone three periods of depression over the post. Few months will certainly something akin to it. The the the no joy. No. Joy in the game to think of this. This kid that was so ahead of the curve, you know he was getting wins a big full players before any of the sort of official next-gen emerged before the words next-gen had ever been thought of Little Aden outed he was. Know One of the original. What he was one of the catalysts for the for the conception of the next Gen, and then he sort of faded from its lineup in faded from the conversation somewhat and I think he's been affected by that I. Think she think there were some personality similarities between him and sit to pass a don't think they necessarily fit into the the laddish tool culture. I think they the keep themselves themselves little bit maybe a bit introverted quite thoughtful people I think church probably keeps a slightly better balanced. Than Sits Paseo margin is just rocking back and forth in it green somewhere at the moment. but yeah, I am chuffed. GonNa, Charge, but I I worry for pass because we know he takes defeats halt. I mean it was off to the French Open last. that much that he lost the Rinku which was not a choke the tool it was just a sensational match where. A play had to win. He said he didn't leave his bedroom for ten days or something. You saw him go off into the. Student you. Day, he was wearing a shirt. we've, sort of. Sort of going. Is. Pack, yeah It's I do worry about the effect that this could have on him, not not in some sort of existential crisis as such but more just how it may affect his career because this sort of lost does give you A. Real. Trauma I think and and. At least it can do and I can't imagine. Until he wins big match where he doesn't do that. and I don't even think that that completely vanishes it a think it's going to stay there I think he's got to do it multiple times. Now he's got a close out big matches multiple times. He's going to get rid of this from his mind that's at least logic would tell me anyway at least my logic would maybe he works differently maybe. I think there are some players maybe are able to put things away in a box PA- for him to be that affected on the court. Of all the people. I would not have expected this to happen to him. A really wouldn't there is absolutely no empirical evidence to suggest this to pass is a things were antibiotics Kinda guy. He's he's let's well on this. Song as possible do you have an existential crisis. Said to you that a player is going to lose six match points and lose a match from seven for the match forty level up. I really wouldn't have put him in that bracket because I think he's found the foundations of his game is so solid. His Physic- Keleti doesn't let him down. He was dumped in shots in the net he was shanking. And a really. Really. Don't understand that. Was it did you coined the term shopping on? On twitter. Did I say he got the shanks. Oh Did I. I think. Moment of inspiration that we witnessed. Yeah that's the thing he wasn't just missing. Slightly he was missing dramatically and I agree with you. David. Sit surpasses a is a player who I think has set belief in his game and trust himself and and I don't associate those sorts of players necessarily with choking no i. mean he he never? Seems more secure than Zverev for instance. I never think oh we're going to get. We could get twelve double-faults in a minute. Hey, you know order something we'll just bright down dramatically it took me it took as you said, Catherine, it took for. His peak to find a way past day and and you mentioned that that's an interesting. Point of discussion I mean, obviously, we know Zehra of has had a grand slam problem that's been well documented. Doing need to now think that sits surpass has a little bit of a Grand Slam problem. Okay. His breakthrough came at a slam which I think is maybe why why we haven't thought of it so far because he did have that moment, he beat federally got to the semifinals but since then will certainly since that loss to Rinca his grandson record is subpar though apply of his quality. This is the first time I've thought that and I think think Greg was that ski said on on the prime coverage today the outside of the Australian Open he's only beaten top fifty player at a slam once. which were, which is a really. Alarming record. So. If we're having that conversation about Zverev which we are. We probably should be having about six passes well. Greg thinks he greg come comes down in the middle of the raging mostly on social media arguments about whether he should sack his dad. Not from being his dad's from being his his coach. Gregg thinks that he needs to bring in another voice that keep it up the. Post losses going I think even if Stephanos told him to go somewhere think post loss probably wouldn't listen but keep keep him. They keep him around absolutely having their but you need another voice which sounds entirely logical to me except that there's no point in bring in the voice if they're either not going to be listened to or not going to be allowed. To properly express their opinion. I. Don't know whether this is true but I have heard rumblings about chiappa valve the reason coaching relationships kind of ready workout will have an impact is because basically his his mother is his coach. And and she no matter who's both on board that the voice is drowned out or guided And I'm not insulting that necessarily she's done a good job he's a good player but. Kind of negates the. Negates the point to bring in extra. So usually, no. He I believe he's still involved, but he is not a New York. His his mom his. His moments. Donahue who sits surpass what sort of character would work? As a coach in environment. I don't really know nobody really springs. To mind. I have no idea what he would be like as a coach overseas had the relationship was visiting about I know he's very close to Marcus bypasses. And they've talked about the possibility of a coaching relationship in the paused with that would be full moon little informally at an. But Y- I think we sits pass it would have to be somebody has some kind of emotional. To sound pompous about it. But you know thinking about how to pass would put it some sort of philosophical connection to I can't imagine him having a you know the sort of relationship that it's reported the Marina Sharapova N- Thomas Hoax stead had which was. Outside of the confines of the court, we do not hang out and shots. We don't talk about life ci the fight whatever sit surpassed need somebody that will. Listen To pour his heart. Fit Dinner about his. Twenty one year old life problems and Anybody. Heard the interview we did with spanked answers at the end of last year will be uplifted I'm sure and. I can't I just got away from that. So happy talking to him so. I can't imagine he would be anything other than a good influences a person. I think I think the thing with sit surpassed though is this situation that he's got with his father and actually his his family more generally kind of. Being. So involved in his career is that has been bubbling away as a potential problem for a little while now I mean it was a it was the ATP Cup when it really blew up and then account remember where it was but there was a press conference where his mom came to sit in on it the day are. Weird today after sits of passage said that he thought they were to involve. There's definitely A. Definitely a little bit of a problem there I think even if you go back to Paris last year, the French Open that match against for Vancouver, was were outbursts. The First. to Roy I had forgotten about his mom going to that press conference and asking a question. Go that was with. Yep Yeah. Didn't feel like it did in many favors. I. I'm sure sits Pascal source it out because he's that good I mean I matt a title Fuller Myself I had him on my semifinals. Authority could be a real threat to Jovic and he's not he's not even getting anywhere near that but I believe in him a believe in what he is as an athlete and the player but crikey this results. Logically. At least to me is a really tough one to get over. So we'll see we'll see whether it may may do a lot of good that he's got another Grand Slam to. Thrust himself straight into and get on the clay and. Build his way back up but yeah, it's it's a tough one. The biggest story of the day today. Is. The match that we saw between Serena Williams and Sloane Stephens and it was one that you really built up to on prime video and you'll coverage today catherine and quite Riley and I found absolutely fascinating to watch the spectacle didn't say the whole match. From start to finish I was but I had it on throughout while I was. Gone about my various. Business with my kids and cooking dinner and all the rest of it. But I was I was trying to work out. The turning point because Stevens took the first six two. And it was close early on at least in the second set. And then it's suddenly turned around and I couldn't really work out from the the the passing viewing that I was doing. Water turned what changed it or you? Really. I didn't fight you met but I'm not sure there was a moment there was i. don't think. So yeah. It just sort of just the natural break of the set. As is so often the case because if the beauty of Tennessee scoring system. It just. It provides an opportunity for first. Serena to. Regroup I, mean all the cliches I mean her her serve picked up. Was the big difference in sets two and three to set one for sure. Yeah. Absolutely and I think she I think she physically won't. I think losing that I the way she did. Loosened her up. She looks luggage sluggish in the opening set and. Sloan Stevens look smooth as she does when she's. Playing the way, she can so smooth and he just I think Serena. As any one playing sign Stevens can was made to look sluggish because you just don't. Pick which way selene Stevens is going to hit the ball. You seem to always be made to be on the run. It seems almost impossible to anticipate no matter how good non -TICIPANT A. Reader of the game you are it seems impossible to anticipate Saint Stephen's. She. Always seems to have much time and she so officiant with her with even when she's on. A. Sort of physically fade in that regard whereas Serena grew into the march which I think is really significant fishery neurology. I think then catchily as much as it was important that she finally got a couple of straight-sets wins in her opening team much is I. Think it's just as important that this almost three sets and she won anyway I am. Concerned for Serena in the scar tissue of leasing close matches. I'm. I think that could be a factor in in the next room when she faces sicario again Zachary some debate at prime towers about the coupons ation of that. So. Yeah. I I think actually. Today's result in school on. Of Dream I've always really concerned on her behalf early in that second set, she seemed to be late on bowls and that's I mean it seemed to me mainly because of Stevens Stevens being safe, fleet-footed, powerful, and reactive. She talented she just she almost. She just looked younger and better than Serena really for Senna bit and Then as she say that service such an equaliser isn't it for starting and yes slow Stevens from the reactions that I was getting because I just asked on twitter where's the turnaround here? Just wanted a bit of a consensus because I couldn't follow it closely enough and most quite a lot of people did think nets Sloan Stevens, went walkabout a bit for a while and that second set I think it's a huge win. For William's really massive weight I mean obviously it's a big win because. You don't win. You're not GonNa win the tournament, the context of it as you say, digging out of a hole and. Yeah I think. It's a massive massive when. I was also impressed by just how calm Serena state because a lot of the. Talk. In the moment is that she gets stressed in Grand Slam matches I would. I would slightly wrote back on that and I think she's got stressed in grandson. For. Sure. I'm not always sure she's been stressed guessing that quite so much. There's definitely been a difference when she got there maybe the Chung Action Australia would be would be an example where she did get stressed early on in the tournament. She was incredibly calm today and I think that was that was quite a positive sign and it did make. Slightly strange match. I must say I didn't I didn't find it completely compelling like normally would with Serena like familiar Serena on the brink in a grand slam is about as compelling sport gets usually because you see after dig deep and fight but. I'm sure she was fighting and overturning the match because obviously she did but she didn't have to extend of externalize any of that. It was it was all from within maybe that in itself is a is a positive sign that she's able to. She's able to turn around while also staying measured and calm. I also think it's doing the of goods to be with her daughter with a her husband as well. But I mean had door to there the moment she one had autism shown and it was it was wonderful really the the look on the kids face and. I think that yeah. That probably keeps a calm and inspired at the same time. I got a really good feeling I so in after that win must say And as you say, Maria saccharine next, which is and she's the player that Beata last week wasn't it and she was winning that match and then a very close second set tiebreak and then a really bizarre one-sided third set which. A few people thought. Williams kind of tanked. Towards. The end of which I didn't say will but. Remember anybody saying that about before. So the an and this, this looks like a refreshed Williams to me. And just a final note on her and anti sister Venus. If you haven't on chance to see. Yeah. Doing courage you do recommend going and having a read of New York Times piece by our good friend. Christopher clary. Another good friend of as Mary Carillo, pointed in its direction and the headline on the pieces with more black women. US Open shows Serena and Venus, his legacy and just to pick out a couple of. Lines from this piece. There's a quote from Haley Baptiste eighteen years of age received wildcards wildcard and she said it's amazing to see so many girls that look like me playing in this tournament in the main role. And in the tournament, there were twelve American players who are black in the women's tournament. And power is drawn to the twenty ten US Open. In which Serena was missing because of injury and Venus Williams was the only African American player in the women's singles draw and. Ten Years on twelve. African American players in the. And that's The players quoted they all talked about Serena intravenous, and when you see there, which is lined up a forty year old and a thirty, eight year old alongside these fifteen and sixteen year olds who are gaining entry into this tournament it's just. It's just incredible. Isn't it? It's wonderful to say and to see some clear then he had and. Evidence that it's made a difference to the widest boat. Yeah. They stuck around long enough to. To, be present furthering legacy, not just to be watching it from fall which I hope they are able to enjoy and I do wonder if if is a is A. Small pause may vacation for for sticking around you know with Every day they play every time they play Grand Slam match. There might be another future. Professional play or feature Grand Slam champion watching them that sees them and thinks, oh, I could do that. That is possible for me. I'm not must just be the most incredible feeling. Wondrous Amita vacation I certainly hope it is and very very well could be. This very uplifting. Absolutely. I think in that same piece Francis, tear fo was quoted as saying that that that is an inspiration for him. And that's part of the reason why he's playing him what he wants to do. Well, he's I think he's the only. African American in the drew this year on the men's side And there was an interesting point made in in the article which I would encourage people to read about why there's been more. In the women's game compared to the men's game, and one of the main reasons is the. Tennis is a tremendous provide sport for girls compared to boys in America who often? Have more. Sports to choose when they younger whereas tennis provides that pathway. So that's that's one of the reasons overstay along with the inspirational figures of Serena Venus and these these numbers off such a clear illustration and this doesn't just relate sleep very much relates to raise but not just raise everything such a clear illustration of why visibility representation is important because. You need to see it. To believe that it can be. Definitely. Also makes me just want to remind listeners that if you haven't already listen to our the Gibson and authorized podcasts, please do make the time because. It's because of people like them the Serena revenus ended up playing the sport ultimately, it was out there who Who broke the barriers down who she was the trial blazer and to was a multiple grand slam champion. And that's what gave gives the opportunity and her is something you should hear about and Arthur. Ashwell. He needs little introduction but to really hear his story is, is something I mean I kind of want to go back and listen to them and it's not because we'd. Produce them. It's just because the the store is the and I was listening to clips from Leslie Allen Speaking in those shows and this. So many contributions there that I'm really proud that we did those shows and and so you're gonNA listen. Raul. We're having a good time tonight. Thanks because I'm on my second baron anybody that's followed. This podcast in knows about two beers law knows that that spells trouble And Catherine has just cracked open her third beer and she's she's got a proper beer not somehow little bottles she said to the proper way. So yeah we're. Grab. Your right Catherine. Cans Heintz right mislead people. Yeah. Anyway. You're. You can handle as opposed to me. Right now Phoenix Oj. has today beaten. What's his name again? On. Current Muti. My formerly favorite player in the whole world. You I was. So looking forward to this match against Phoenix, and it ended up being a bit of a dud in terms of competitiveness but it was absolutely magical in terms of the play of Phoenix Osceola, including him, hitting the tween from near the back fence and still recovering in time data passing shot from a dropshot. So. That was wonderful from. And also matenaer were particularly taken by something that mutated. What did he do? He hit not one but two bulls out of the stadium and washing it back. It was even better than I thought. It was because he got the first ball from his pocket and wet out the stadium he requested the second ball from the bowl person. It took one bound more active straight out the look on the person's face was hilarious as if to say. About. That that's like Baghdadis. Racket smash sequence isn't it? Yes. The the calculated reaching for extra rackets. Wow I'm. It was so one sided actually quite nice of fate except to it's to say look current is actually better than this. He's better than what we've just seen in the first two sets I hate to say. Well this is. Getting. So excited about last night, but the the the hype train for Phoenix. Same in the last two days just gone off the scale it has left. The station has no. Station is so far away. And I probably got more infused by what he said straight after the match than even what I saw on court because he was asked this. Incredibly long winded question by the on Korten view, which is just though. This is not gonna go anywhere this answer because you've you've asked him. So you've given so much detail in that question and you're asking him about his killer instinct and I thought this is just going to. Bat this back and play straight bats and not not saying anything and and it I mean it was a deeply weird question wasn't exhibits was given. He said Oh you such a lovely man. Of, clearly never met this before in his life. Got The. Most fantastic answer. That question didn't deserve that good nuns. I'm question myself as a media. Interview now because this guy in spite of himself has just managed to. Get the best answer for emotional same ev and the quite was this Phoenix said I'm here to impose myself outside the court. I'm a pretty kind person, but once I step on the cold, it's the best man that wins only one survives. You've got to step it up with that animal in killer instinct. Now. That is a fantastic quiet, and it also is a quote I was holding not expecting regardless of the question it just showed to me that's something he has been actively working on is. Not Being a nice guy, who's an incredible athlete but being a winner. What is your favorite podcast? Matt, they call they call this stuff in the Gulf world in no lane up, they call them. A killer rather than a dog I never understood why dokes the dog but I understand? Yeah. They'll dog's delight. And Dogs Fancy turn to look the part but you know be be lovely generally is the another podcast equivalent a fangs Yes Mary things. He's actively trying to develop his own fangs and he said it's almost like positive affirmation if I say it. I'm GonNa do it I think he has a meter he confirmed the phoenix ordinarily seem has fangs. I mean, the the the blue hit a humiliating tweet. Leading six one, five, love. Those. Are Fangs as far as I'm concerned. Ruthless Yeah well that. His. His words matches tennis at the moment and his tennis is smothering his opponents with his forehand and giving them giving them no time at all I think oversee whenever we see a younger players I think it's. Is Natural to try and draw comparisons comparison. The most obvious one is probably to talk of Asian terms of the movement and the and the smoothness of it or when the defensive skills but there's that safety hardwired into Jackovich's game and is part of what made him so so strong in tight moments throughout his career I think. PHOENIX. Seem is much more of a risk taker than than I realized he was with that four forehand. So aggressive with it and agree turtle and an occasionally he will. He will make errors but when he's not making them. He's such a false he's just he's just he's just on, you like a wave and the and there's no room to breathe and it almost becomes a bit federal like in that in that respect where it's Quick and it's Punchy tennis and. It's it takes some stopping and at the moment neither marry nor. have had any chances whatsoever. Even shouldn't you've made? New dully sorry, you've made federal and give them my points. You've made federal and Jovic comparisons there but for me. The better. Well, the the one that springs out to me is the dull I'm I've definitely spent too much time with Gregg now but yeah, he's I mean not just because of the whole fangs on the call sort of sweet shy unassuming guy off it as as a very crude obvious. Comparison, but but the four hundred is the Dalai, the by can being a bit flatter. The the this the. Cowboy looking wild risk, take shots that actually have have more margin have deceptive margin for repeat built into them because of the spin on them they. plop in the last minute. Yeah, I am the the. Competitive Instincts I think Yeah. So you I mean, it's not that we're it's not the with jumping on board the hype train or anything, but we just compared to federated dull and Jovic rolled into walk. Anyone composition three best male players on. Can. I just say take you back about a year and three months to Queens. Last year. or Yes. Clean this this year. David. Yeah. About Biz, almost two tube is one and a half years. Thanks. To Queens last year he plays Nick curious on the second court. And curiosities playing. Playing. Very well, but he's behaving abominably towards the end he is trying he's I'm not saying he's trying every trick in the book, but he's but he's he's doing everything that curious does is doing in terms of antics litter be trick shots with the anger on the colts and losing his temper four people. And it goes deep into a third set and I. You know kind of seventy five or something like that in the third set for this young young Latte and in never he doesn't blink once in in not once he let curious get to him the beats him and that that really struck me at the time even though I've. I think he lost his way towards the end of last year at times in some been some matches that I. Really. I. Feel a bit quizzical as to how he's lost that one always sticks with me because it takes such a lot to to deal with and afterwards. Career you never hear curious about word about him he loves him and how could you not? What's what's to not like about this guy? He's a great kid and he's just an incredible athlete. Well. is a might not have belly button. That WANNA get. He said today in his press conference something I found interesting which was that. For, the last last year or so he thinks he might have been slightly getting ahead of himself and looking further ahead in draws rather than just playing the opponent i. Associate that with him I've always thought he probably rose quite. To grounded and measured, and as you said, that kind of comparison adult taking everyone. Completely seriously and I'm I'm not saying that he wasn't taking them seriously but I think he thought that the results that the bigger results might come even slightly faster than they have I mean that sounds like. With dictators thing to say because he is still so young but. He was talked about from really really young. We've known about free eggs. Seem for a long time and he said he has had the justice mindset and realize that he still needs. He still needs to win these matches to get to the big matches is not just going to happen and and I think that's I. Think there's a shift in both mindset and also the ways playing now against these. Opponents who is better than he's going out there and he's trying to crush them and is kind of born out in more these set there about that killer instinct. Is He contended for this title as we stand now I mean look I didn't have him in my quarterfinals I'll admit that. But as we stand here right now. Could he win it? Kind of feels like this one contender that's the problem I think he's got. Yeah I think take Jovic of the equation and yes. Always apply that to every everybody else in would be a potential contender I think Jovovich and then I would say. Medvedev and team. Yeah and then and then maybe Phoenix. And actually, he's due to play team if team can be chilly tonight as we. Record Right now it's two twenty six in the morning here in the UK and at the moment we've got an sue bond stole more of a match between on Stupa and Severe Kenan, which is a match we rule looking forward to and and Jabbar was leading by break next level of five games on everything he wished it would be. And after this team against Chile CH-. So we'll. We'll update you on all tomorrow as to what we've what we've learned to what we've what we've seen and what's happened that lineup will look like. You mentioned Francis earlier on to mention his straight sets, win other Martin, foot you bitch, which is a fantastic win because t.f being. Treading water really for quite a while. This is a real. The floor is now I think he's so he's into the fourth now. Is that right? Yes fourth-round and I think he didn't think he'd never beaten through traffic before yet to to dead yeah of favor and he he went out and get crushed him in straight sets and I didn't see a lot of that match but from from what I read and what I heard people saying it was it was some of the best tennis cfo ever played and that is. Would suggest them. VASIC Pospisil a surprise winner over Roberta about history. Good. That's a very, very good. Win. It was that was in five wasn't it off for five cents two cents to one down against about east too and he looked like he was having a power outage facet pospisil look like like about Easter Goo had him exactly where he wanted him drawing him into long rallies and kind of sucking the life out of him, and then suddenly appeared to get a second wind pospisil was was prob-. Probably the best tennis I worked all day on this persona knows last couple of sets just hitting winners from all parts of the court and. He's he's got a game that he can impose when he plays and get forward and come to the net and. He's he's a man who's quite difficult to start when he gets on a roll as well. Yeah the the first season is funny that the the Canadian men having such mazing week and males around. Here off Delos. Week it's yes. No. One would have thought that if you if you said candidate, if you said before the US Open calendar just to tip you off in the predictions candidate are going to have a good tournament. An ARA OCCA- going to get a put round inch of final or whatever. And Postal now faces Alex door who I mean that could be a re-instituting match clash of styles and all the rest of it. And one today Olsen five cents. But didn't he had he had a love six, four six. Scoreline. Against Him in the second and third cents against Kern Hutchinson of yeah. It was really bizarre. Just, two sets where he completely checked out and he he came into his press conference and the first thing he said he's Adler to apologize. I thought he was going to apologize for his moustache but. He didn't and he apologized for his attitude he was he was really annoyed with himself that he has kind of checked out smashed his racket disappointed that he you know he doesn't. Himself better standards the that I think mono and kind of credit to him that he did manage to come back winning five hatch Nov.. I found. To whelming I must say I'm. Slightly bemused by by his. What he's trying to do on the coal is such a big guy with a big game and he doesn't impose himself seems to be the theme of this podcast trying to impose yourself well, action of really doesn't and. Demo- at points felt like he was out hitting him and I mean that really shouldn't be happening I. Mean I like a good player. Action of Scott Weapons he's unable to deploy them I. don't think slightly quicker. Helped Him I. Think he likes it to bounce. So he can kind of goes into his hitting range a bit more but. Yeah he's. He's another one who is not had the Grand Slam results that that you would expect. t.f effort by the way plays against Medvedev who is also a straight sets win over the man with the mullet. Today and Dr Group Life What was his name again? T T JJ. Wolf. John Jeremy Jerry. Isn't it Jeffrey John Jeffrey Joe. Granddad when he's Jj will fee sounds like. The school bullies brother. I did I did hear from Leon Smith on five live today saying that not only did he have a mullet like on drag Z. from the early nineties he also has a backhand quite reminiscent of Agassi's so. I'll be looking at the future. Today. Well, no straight-sets. Very Good Yeah Andre Rib love also, very comfortable winner and in the women's draw. Fatana Perron. cavs run goes on she beat Don Jr.. Elise Mertens beat Katie McNally I watched a little bit of that where now he was serving for the first set and didn't quite get job done turned. Still. There still little straits strides forward firm Nali. Again she hasn't had I suppose you could destroy her three-set loss to Serena here. Last year is moment. She hasn't had that huge breakthrough moment or result, but just steroids little steps and. I'm excited about where they might lead her. She's really cool. Of strides currently, the Muka went through today against the woman beat Johanna Konta, saronic hysteria, but it was so close summit closer than again than I would have expected to stay very very nearly one and it was a final set tiebreak. She had a match point Khustar she had. Three. I think three back to back in. I mean the one I. was. Macabre coming in. Your Way and it was just the sort of ten is the kind of wanted to get off facing give a round of applause because of the the construction of a point line. Ending with a volley at the net, not just to sort of random put away but a properly constructed my intention is to get to the net in order to win this point. He's Great Muka of. IF THEY HADN'T I. If the old pandemic hadn't happened in the rankings haven't been shot to hell she could have been in the end of atop turn. Is She in the mix. Yeah, who of the Lost Sixteen in the women's is not in the mix. I would say look of is not in the mix because I think Victoria's rank will probably Patriot in the next round I think he needs to be as a ring to get in the mix. Yeah. Okay. Fine. She. Agree with the because Merton. Her quarter-final opponent would be mertens or the winner of Cannon Ingeba? So who's not who else is not in the mix of the sixteen? Perron cover. Not Putting Mertens Perron cover click. Anything Murthy th you would be surprised if she reached the final. Mertens yeah would. Yeah I. Would I think Mertens is one of those players who tends to come. When she plays someone who is better than her that sounds like a weird sense. She hasn't really the ceiling. She hasn't had any really big wins. She's she doesn't have that super auxiliary gear. Seating. Yeah. No, she's. She's a very, very good plan, but she's sick. Oh, she saccharine in the mix. No, not until she's beaten Serena. Great I don't think Putin savers in the mix. She's a martyr Walmart No. So I think. Abbas. Absolutely in it. Radi. Brady's an outsider. The Brady's not curb in my opinion. And even she's the favorite with the book is apparent, which is absurd. David and I had some collaborative donald about this surfer. Or what would you do you think `British ability should be favored to beat Cupboard Labor will I Picked curb to win that match and not that much of a disparity in the old between them and I think. And I think you know. odds-on same as predictions. We don't know and then the same feelings. Anyway moving on. Feelings collaboratively dialogue about something else Andy Roddick. Agree to disagree collaboratively. What does that say settled the argument? Well, it's only going to dialogue. Sorry dialed. Into further, the dialogue he always says form and confidence over experience. Yeah I. Mean The completely facetious point that I was going to meet your what's up, but I didn't want to poke the already angry bear. Was, would you just? Repeatedly making the point the nose insulting to to curb. He's one grand slams. I was GONNA say boy did you pick? Martina Navratilova Jennifer Brady and I saw. A sausage typing I thought that was annoying. Also. silly. Fast is annoying but. I was GONNA say. Extension of the point you were making I was GonNa say, would you pick marrying Chile over-dominant team and then I remembered that you did do that Yes I did. Yes I did. Pacific in by the way has just somehow managed to win that set against Uber seven four in the tie-break or what a woman as she says she's in the mix. Issue in the mix. Signed no still. I I just I. Love what she wants to buy a don't see her. In grandson mixes. And hope that I hope I'm wrong. Look. Every mix as things stand I don't see her in a grand slam mix in my lifetime. Ext.. However, I really hyper on a really. Hope I'm wrong. So. So there's that. A. You're damning this we. Might not be as good a play residual. The is his brother breeze in the drool. Look I love on I would pay to watch her play above ahead of so many grandson champions but. Lifetime's. Running into sify Kenan and ilk. End. Final the final discussion. I, think we'd better just talk about human the Denisovich intimate abolish who have been thrown out of the doubles tournaments. have been told that they couldn't play today. And I. Still Don't completely understand what the difference between them and Adr Marino arena yesterday was circumference. Can you explain I think today's dialogue was less collaborative. So what it seems to be to me and I looked. For backup and guidance here is that the player hotels both of them are in. Nestle County. which is under a different jurisdiction to the Billie Jean. King National Tennis Center in the tournament, which is in the city of New, York. So the USDA have reached an agreement with the city of new. York with the help of Governor Andrew Cuomo. Choose to have these protocols and regulations in place for the players that are. Sort of separate to their little employee of existing state and. The existing city protocols coronavirus. And they apply. At the Billie Jean King National Tennis Center. Nassau, county in that almost forty hours have introduced. New if she new eat it about people that have been in close contact with those have tested positive for covid nineteen dictating that they have to entirely quarantine for I think. Fourteen days. And that would include. Key Denisovich Kirsten Flip Flip Kuenz the Ben wallpaper eleven if you will. I believe nobody is explicitly said this but the implication therefore is that the sole difference between Audrey Drian Marinas, situation and key humid- benefit situation today is that At the time that people were. Registering this slight shift in the situation I'd remember we know was already on site. At the Billie Jean King National Tennis. Center. Where is Christina Medina? Vich was still at the hotel in Nassau County. It raises the question for me. What would have happened if address marina would one is much yesterday would have had to stay. Live at the tennis center in order to be able to play his next match I mean I'm suitable a know it sounds silly but. Soon, if genuine will. Ellen niff- Allen. Peres. Who's a doubles player and Seems to be some kind of spokeswoman for. Lower ranked tennis player certainly on twitter. She often uses a platform to talk about ongoing issues and she said she understood that if men Reno had won and comeback to the hotel, he would have to have been also withdrawn from the tournament. So I think we can read into that. The only way from an arena to stay in the tournament. Yeah probably would have been. Staying on sites. Throughout the duration that he was left in, which is A. An absurd situation. Really. But. Yeah. Over Steve Overstay, they are right for the dictated by the. Policies of the various areas. Square it's quite hot. Hetero and isn't it that we're in the situation I suppose that applies to sign many aspects of the pandemic and to be fair USDA have have thought of so many things and then an incredible together this thing staged but. That one feels really uncomfortable. Now I think they didn't have a choice about the decision today and if the Twenty. Four hours but I think where this kind of ood started was when they allowed the pauvres eleven to play I, think I think by making that concession they they did make it a lot more. Complicated and I know some people are praising that decision because people. Did get to play the tournament and there has been an awful lot of four out in the last few days and and it all stems from that decision if those players had simply been withdrawn in the same way that Kita Pella had. Yes, that is still difficult on them but I think I think they would have avoided these these knock on issues. Yeah muddied the waters in created a situation which was. Ripe for this sort of drama and the inconsistency that we've. We've landed up with I have no issue with strict protocols whatsoever I I believe in them and I have very little time for tennis players or anybody objecting to the move complaining about them. Because they knew what they were signing up for and be this is the world we're living in the world that everybody else's living in I do they have a lot more sympathy with? Lack of consistency of rule application. And That seems to be where we've ended up. The USDA had no say in what happened to the Denisovich today. As as we've made the point. They've they've sort of tied their hands behind their backs a little bit and I'm you know I I'm sympathetic. It's the by and large they've. They've done really well. That was potentially a bit of a slip. But. Gives me. I'm very surprised that Milosevic didn't do an instagram live today. For the night vacation or done. So we've heard the last of our. I think she's got to spend about the next ten base in that hotel room well now in issue with them, not being able to get to Roy Moore isn't that? Qualifying, Rome is begins next week end of next week. So I think custom flip would be playing qualifying Rome as it stands at the moment she don't think she would be able to get there in time I mean. This. Isn't going away. Basically, this is going to rumble on. And there will be more repercussions and these tennis players in are locked in a room with Internet and devices. So yes. There's no getting away. I've just been thinking about how many giant Jimbo chocolate chip cookies I would get through if I had to live on site at Flushing Meadows. Be a lot well. Hang on he he wasn't seated so you wouldn't have somebody. Eight thirty to thirty second seed so you would have had a sweet. It just needed a blow up bed. Those are quite good. They stay suites decked out. So it's it's fine hundred. Unfortunately. lost. Anyway. Right. Well, there's another tennis podcast in the books. For another day. Let's just have a very quick look at the order play. For tomorrow what days it tomorrow Sunday, and it will starts with. Slightly, Bizarre Selection on authorized stadium I up video. Putin saver against Petra Martic which I'm sure it'd be a good match. But why that's got the stage over Angelique Kerber against Jennifer Brady I don't really understand maybe because marches the eight seed but I'm surprised over former champion. Is more going on there than it just being the highest seeds must be TV preference may be player WHO's made request. I Don us. It seems story after that. It's Novak chocolate against public arena booster in the evening. Good Evening Section on Authorized Stadium chiappa valve against Davidge Goffin that he's a match macho at Happily Watch. and. Even more save cameo soccer against the knit cultivate which I think could be a bondstone. Could be a late night tomorrow night. Yes. If if is fit I think she wins. She's not. Fit Enough I think cultivate wins or I think concert wins. There's my prediction. Right. What do you think Matt? I'm sticking with a soccer because I we winning the tournament so you too all in on a soccer because you have to be. Now. David. The right. There's your little highlights of tomorrow's order play. We'll be back with another one of these tomorrow night Katherine we will be presenting on Amazon prime video if you're in the UK can watch wonderful presenting. From the pre-game show from three thirty PM in the UK tomorrow. Greg. Greg Craig. And then we will be back. A new nominee I love them they're great, and then we've got with the new tennis podcast tonight and every single day through week two of the US Open. So Lisa Review on I changed enjoying them do tell anybody who might want to listen And we'll speech tomorrow by.

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No US Open for Nadal; Olympics Re-Lived: 2004 Athens

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No US Open for Nadal; Olympics Re-Lived: 2004 Athens

"Hi. This is Marian Bartolotti mats. Wilander. This is Mary Carillo I'm rowing. I'm Lleyton Hewitt I'm Andy Murray. This is Yannick Noah and you're listening to the tennis podcast. Fellow folks, and welcome. Once again to the tennis podcast and the latest edition of Olympics relived, we've already lived through the Olympics nine, hundred, Eighty, eight, three to the two thousand in Sydney, and we now arrive at two thousand four Athens Olympics return to it, spurs place one, hundred, four years earlier just before we get onto reliving. Olympic things a little bit of news to one since our last weekly tennis actual tennis based podcast couple of days ago. The knees we've had is the entry list is out for the US Open. And Rafael. Nadal is not on it. He has made an announcement that he will not be playing the USA Open. It is for health risk based reasons, which I think we'll. We'll respect that obviously disappointing for the tournament that that won't be their first. Grand, Slam with neither federal known adult, since Nineteen Ninety nine on the women's side nine. If the world's top turn on the entry list, it's only a number one ashburn on it. Obviously, entry list does not mean list of players that are actually definitely going to play. But it's nonetheless, you know this early stage, a bit of beast for the US Open, and the other bit of News we've had is that. As entirely expected at the Madrid Masters and premium mandatory tournament has been canceled. I. Mean the writing on the wall. That as we discussed on Monday, but it has been formally cancelled. We do understand there's a chance that Kitsch Buell, which is tournament that must get mentioned on every tennis podcast apparently. Might. Now, move. Back a week to take up that place in the calendar where Madrid. We're going to be of I said that quickly enough so that we can move onto Olympic stuff. Is Seen as possible. I mean there are a lot of good players. All over those interests, and as you say, who knows how many of them will end up playing but him and we we knew that the likelihood was the Dow wasn't gonNA play. There was maybe a little bit of doubt about that. When Madrid was canceled perhaps Nadal might have changed his mind, but you said it's at the time you felt that if it was a view on the virus itself and not wanting to travel and it's not going to change and sure enough he made it clear that it was because of his concerns over the virus, he just feels the world isn't ready for that and he's He's not comfortable to travel. I did sort of slightly Riley. Smile. When I saw the pressure relation, the US not even including the dowels name in the release, not even acknowledging that they're defending their reigning champion was not actually going to be there because of the decision he taken and yet they did mention that Roger Federer wasn't going to be there because of his injury I thought that was poor. I think just acknowledging the champion would have been a classier thing to have done, and actually I noticed in Chris. Clarity's piece overnight in the new. York Times that he spoke to the tournament Director Stacey Allaster who? took a completely different tack and pay tribute to refer and said, she looked forward to returning and I think that that is certainly the right way to of played that. But yeah. We've also seen one or two notes overnight of the protocols that the USDA plan to. Employ for covid nineteen testing, and if somebody tests positive in a team or an or apply themselves, the play will just be removed from the tournament and we'll have to isolate and. The words of James Blake really came back to me are upon reading those rules of just what it might take even for the tournaments if it had a lot of. People testing positive in having to be removed from the drawer. How many Coulda draw take you know this? This something I hadn't really considered before and if you're staying independent accommodation, so electing not to stay in the. Official bubble hotels. Then you have to pay for and be responsible for private security to monitor your bubble adherents. which is intense but space slightly reassuring. But goodness me, it's. Any ad, the question remains unanswered of of what the threshold is for that tournament. What's what stage does D stop treating individual cases and start saying as a? Hot Sports that needs to be needs to be shut down and his depressing is that. Prospect. is they they need to have a plan for that scenario? Actually from what we saw in the notes overnight, that would put out some social media unofficially. They said the Henry. Come up with a threshold yet. It's it sounded like and they would kind of work that it went along. They also said, they have made positive progress with regard to the quarantining procedures of game back from the United. States onwards to the next destination of each player after the rat of the tournaments including the, but it didn't sound that it was done daily at in other news. It is eleven am on Wednesday. The News hasn't even out yet and Matt is the only one of us. Pretty prediction for the week is still in the tournament. So if rule as if you yearning some kind of tennis normality, I can confirm that it has returns. Yes I I went with a marketer Vondra Russia and was following every moment of her three hour epic against Kinda. Even who's a very exciting upcoming Platt who wins and dumped? Out of the tournament and Catherine lost least Mertens in straight sets Matt. Well, you were a bit more clever than Bertha. Don't you? I picked Donovan. Already won her first round match by the time, we made the prediction so. I've been stung way many times before. We made a prediction who's gone out before the newsletter has been sent I. was I was hoping desperately to avoid a repeat of that in our first, but actions for five months. Thank you Catherine for bringing that up I. I couldn't bring that up. On that I bring up the fact that you'll your writing high currently on. On. Fulham. Joey is. Is Now the time for that? Yes, please it's. It's always. It's maybe it's a waste of time I. Think the next the next month before you start losing is is the time he sat quietly for six minutes. Katzrin. So impressive. was building up to it was building up to it. We for anyone that doesn't Matz team. Fulham won the playoff final at Wembley last night against rivals Brentford. Have secured permission to leasing every week in the Premier League, which is the the real prize Would you would you change? Would you exchange this moment for an Olympic gold? Gosh I wasn't expecting that question. I mean, it's actually a bit of an Olympic, feels the story with an unlikely goal scoring hero? It's. It's. He's a kind of person that you don't normally talk about Joe Brian who scored four goals is not someone who usually makes headlines for scoring goals and he's called to. Set. My apologies to all non football fans for? Sort of passing in this Gloria, but just allow me my moment to. Do that doesn't get many. Yes. The Hotline Cup highlights for the time being replaced and I'm just watching Joe Ruins free, Kick Khanna loop for the last twelve hours and. They will go keep his. Which? was. The funniest thing I've ever seen. The ball had gone past him into the net, and then he thought about a dive. And so he did not like coach Roy. Actually, I'll give I will give this a tennis flavor in that. There's a close up shot Joe Brown, before he takes the freaky with his tongue out, and it reminded me of what Andre Agassi's to Serb outburst packers serve that he was able to read the direction of the serve based on based on the direction that Boris Becker's tongue was pointing, and he he was. He was keen never to reveal this information because it was his, it was his way of breaking Boris Becker serve. So he said, and I noticed the Joe Bronze Tongue was pointing in the direction of the ended up. Ended up, kicking the ball and scoring. So yeah, that is. Tennis connection there for. Great, mode apologies to every tennis podcast listener Matt is now going to be head hunted by football teams. You need somebody to identify which where football is going based. Suddenly. Feel really lonely. We've had this sort of camaraderie will season of finally being in the same league and I've been abandoned. Well who's Absent I'm not. I'm not saying remorseful faces his. So let's move on we for Reading For forty six games with you can, yes. No conflict recommend you watch these forty six games talk. Right to the Olympics two, thousand four. Hundred and eight years since the first modern. Olympics. And returning to the birthplace in Athens was only one track and field world record broken. That was in the women's pole vote by Elena, is symbolic full meters ninety-one. The defending shooting, Gold Medallist Matthew, Emmons. was on target to retain his title win. In the final stages, he shot his opponents target ending up in eighth. He went to. He went to drown. Surrey's in a bowl among the women who become his wife. Shots Amazing skit. Isn't it? Right so I was very pleased. He said his opponent target I was thinking. This was GONNA be one of those sad news events in the show. All fine for Matthew. Emmons. Hope hope that marriage is still going strong. Michael Folks, one eight medals, six gold making him the swimmer with the highest tool single games. Brazilian Vanderlei Lima was far ahead in the marathon with seven kilometers to when a defrocked priest leapt from the crowd and started to push and shove him. Lee ended up third but was awarded a special medal. Defrocked priest me naked priest or does it just mean with the special gowns more D don't? Trying to work out. Anyway he got himself to medals, they're Lebron's. Under special, metal. twenty-five. Failed Daping Tests, seven of them were medalists and eleven of the weightlifters. And it was the Olympics where if you remember to Greeks branches faked a motorcycle accident to avoid Daping test. We disqualified before competing I. Remember that very clearly. They keep blankly. It was one of these completely weird story didn't get chance to follow that much of the Athens Olympics. Sounds like this. Fantastic. So thank goodness for religious. Great. It's. It's amazing what you say about. So. Many of those doping tests. One of the incredible things just to go and we CA- -pedia, and look at the medal table for an Olympics, and then scroll a little bit pastor, and then look at the revised metal table and. You know in the years after so many medals change. I mean I think GB of ended up with four more medals out of the Athens, Olympics based on all the base, the positive doping tests that have come out retrospectively in. Yeah. It's. It's quite. Frightening actually, how how different the metal table looks? When will that's been taken into account? last fat for you. Young Tae young with denied gold. When the judge incorrectly marked his routine nine point nine instead of ten in the rhythmic gymnastics, this led to a bronze medal instead of a gold, the refused to overturn the decision because the team had not appealed in time. Where you say incorrectly just means they kind of put the wrong thing down or I. Guess. That's extra. One man I was thinking as well. How? I've seen a few of these athletes who've? In the moment not won a medal and then it's been upgraded to a medal because somebody has been caught for doping and and I've I've seen a number of them. How how they wrestle with that, how they struggle with not having had the moments and and it can never really be put. Right. This is quite a lot of business. Surrounding situations like that, which I can absolutely understand I think the British bobsleigh team as a recent winter. Games. Possibly, the Sachi Games in twenty fourteen they they've been upgraded to Bronze Medal Evans looking at me like you've gone to captured to niche majority. Okay in terms of tennis in two, thousand, four, it was the first Olympic since it's your turn where. They were awarded. And, the men's matches were best of three sets until the finals which were best to five in the singles and the doubles. Justina over point that she she was just on. Dan. One singles gold against Emily Marasmus in the final that. Playing. Only one tournament in four and a half months that was Roland Garros where she lost in round two and she was all say five one down in the final set against Stadium Myskina in the semifinals finals. Against the odds gold medal for Fisher. Steen, unawed. Then in two thousand, four, she said it's very moving moment for me. Coming back to the sport off two months of being in pain is difficult to imagine the states of depression I went through I realize. Now, how fortunate I am to be able to be on the court I'm really glad to have the chance to be able to give one hundred percent of there. I can honestly tell you that I was always dreaming about. Grand Slams, but now maybe changed my mind tonight because it's different. You. Feel like you're playing for the whole country for the colors of your country that something really different, but you in a grand slam and you're alone. which are extremely powerful quake. Steph from Justiniano den will. She's she's now in on, but you know the time then and at least you mullick won the the women's bronze, and I heard an interview with Alicia Molik early this year when she. When she admitted that she's lost her medal and she really struggles to talk about it. Actually. She's really hurt by the fact that she's lost her medal identing. She went into details of the. Way She lost it. But clearly, it makes me uncomfortable to talk about it despite the fact that. This is described as the most emotional proudest moment of her career, and until the metal is something that she just finds. Absolutely. Heartbreaking it was it was it was a real kind of unexpectedly poignant interview. I, remember it being earlier in the which I saw. That's really sad I really feel for her, but also that wouldn't have happened. Kept it about your person, Asshole Times A. The the women's doubles gold was won by leting and soon Tianjian of China. It was the first Olympics played by Martina. Navratilova partnering Lisa Raymond in the Doubles Two thousand four Martina Navratilova. Queen. She is plays her debut Olympic. Game. which is awesome. What would she been there late forties nine mid mid forties. The quarters I, mean I I I love that. Really Cool. Some thirty years into her career. I. Think. She might have won a slam year. Leander Paes didn't around that. Time I. Think they won Wimbledon a three. It was very much a stage where she was still somehow successful. Now. In terms of this show and the interviews we've got for you. We're going to be facing on on the men's event because we've spoken to all three medalists in the men's tournament from from Athens two, thousand four and the doubles. Gold medallist because the same person Nicholas Mizzou in Athens full became the only man ever to have won singles and doubles gold at the same Olympics. Just before we we get on talk about the the three medallists I. I will remember this Olympics aside from from Nicolas Massu, doing doing what he did as the one that got away for Federer. It was that loss to to Thomas Burke who is eighteen at the time it was the announcement on the scene of Thomas Burke Roma saying he's a definite Grand Slam champion and waiting, and it was the obsolete peak. You've Roger Federer's powers, and it was a a really seismic joke time and Yeah. I'm sure there's a few that he feels good away. But I I think this is a big one for federal that he feels good away I remember googling, Thomas Baddeck after that because as I didn't get to watch that many of the match Shinjiro Fall. But you're right at that stage federal would have just won his second Wimbledon and he was he was dominant, he'd one strategy and open as well. And he was just not even losing matches. He would go through massive spells of dominance where getting near him and yeah, I'd never I'd I'd probably heard of the name of Thomas, Barrick. But I've never seen him play, and then you see this very tall guy with baseball cap and a curly ponytail out the back which he kept for some time which side to remember that now. But that's what that's what he looked like. has you say you just had this? This game that looked destined to to make him one of the top players in the world and and it did I. MEAN HE C-. He became a contender for many many years. But maybe maybe that was one of his biggest ever wins given the circumstances a member when we did a worst of the big three part I looked into this match and it was played on. It wasn't played on the main stadium courts and federal lost in singles and doubles on the same day. He came into the press. Said, I wasn't happy with my serve my forehand, my background. My movement was a terrible day for me and I think it's one of those which actually at the time felt like a seismic shock and one got away and it's just become even more of one that got away as his career has gone on and he's come close to getting the singles gold medal but not got. Even. More. So this feels like one that's the step through his fingers even though it wasn't in the final, even the semi final, it was very early on in the tournament, but that's just Just. How how dominant he was at the time and he really, he really just should've won that event. And he wasn't the only sort of big early, upset Andy Roddick who had won the US Open. Of course, the year previously, he was the second-seeded tournament. He lost in round three to to Fernando Gonzalez the eventual bronze medalist. Tim Henman was the fourth seed in Athens. For, he lost a year Novak in round one, which I don't think we'll go down as an epic moments of. If to amendments career. One Callers Forero was one of Mardi fish. The silver medallist, one of his victims, he was the fifth seed David Nalbandian succeed. He withdrew ahead of the tournament. Reinisch should live seven seed. He lost in round one two. Now, it says Andrea of his that Eagle run. Hang. Isn't Ego Andreev still don't think so I think. Of Sailing Crowns I. I can't remember what is coaching or whether he said a federation. Guy Somewhere but I have seen him around Kane now, he doesn't play anymore. I'd done a Martinez at Labor on an extended, his his career. Quite a lot because he's had some significant winds for instance. I. Think. He broke the, he was the last man she'll be. Lost Past people he was. He was for the long time. The answer to the question who was the last person to beaten. Adul- on. Because I. Think. He'd beaten the dot and then the door went on to his winning streak of eighty matches or something on. America soften WHO's the ninth seed he lost in round two Louisiana Lopez, who is still paying confirmed. Or given, the opportunity will still be playing, but is is lacking opportunities at the moment. So, yeah, as mentioned there. Nicolas. Was the story on the men's side at the two, thousand, four, Athens Olympics. He wasn't expecting to be the story. Nobody was expecting him to be the story. He was having Great Yay. He was ranked just outside the world's top ten, but that is not to say any what he was talking about him as a potential gold medallist. Let alone double gold medallist I had the absolute joy of. Speaking to him and getting to hear his story of if if the two thousand full Olympics and. Well. For me I was in three. Olympic. Games. On Beijing Seoul for me. To percent my country in Olympic Games said, one of the biggest thing that you can can can do like athletes and the the BIS memories always. Were like in Olympic Games, for example, in two thousand, I bring the flag from my country in the opening ceremony. So. I was really young at the data was almost maybe nineteen or twenty years old. So I was really impressed a big for me for my family for the people to to take the flag in the opens their money for years after. A well, I I was a right there with twenty four years old with bit ranking with more experience. and. Of course that the I write grooming to. To win a medal and Of course that the lot of pressure because. Every Olympic. Games, he said before years. You don't have so much time in your career to play so many so. I think that the for sure was that best two weeks in my career might thanks career because? Something really, really big. And then I five, four, four for something. Big. To put my name in the history of my country on the history of the the said Barton, well, the two gold medal. Israeli, really. Really amazing feeling. You will see two tenth I think in Athens, but it wasn't your your favorite surface out quotes what what we expectations going into to that tournament. Yeah, well I four. My biggest results. A the. Worst in the high. Foot. For example I made final in. Three in A. My best. What you saw for round and then? The beginning. Yes. Of course that. I was fighting for. tweet up. Then I was away all the year like number eleven twelve eleven twelve. And I. Love San. Some few matches to get mean into the ten. The well after dot. Arriva. Number. it. After that, I thought the number nine. So will west total one big for me to be defending the world at number ninety. Incredible. On the. Surface, I don't play I WANNA play in South America in. Dot time when I was young. We do. They have like a I. Think only one in one top that we practice sometimes, but then he's everything was so at the beginning of my career. When I start to play like a sixteen bit some indoor tournaments in Europe or under a team for me was really difficult at the beginning because I was not used to it. But I always believe that my my game would be much better and maybe. At the same level, like I play on clay because because of my shots because my movements on because I, understand the game and also I was like ABC's eating up in the parcel. Of course that when I write throughout I, Win One Martina Holy Year on record. All the year. So I arrive today at. The Olympic Games are no much win in all the year two, thousand, four before that. Okay. Play. So good on clay. I won one month before Keats Boudwin. Hand. With A. Google play, but something happened that year that they didn't play that whalen Ohio. So of course that the in my mind at the beginning was not wasted because conditions, there's in Athens where so fast the small win. But the. In tennis, the confidence is everything and also in sports that you are alone there. So I can. The practice, the over on the the atmosphere on the when the win. Normally when I played for my country or I do something for my country, I increased my level. Norma in the time. So after one one, win in the first round against Google and I play really well, and then I started to play better. I'm better. I'm better and I really amazing in singles doubles all the week Betty regular. Did you stay in the. Athletes Village. Always I think that's the most important thing. Because when you when you are in the be or blend tournaments, you are always in the Hotel Sundays. For me you need to do you need to feel the the atmosphere Olympic Games to be only big. Let's do share time with other. I. I like to to look the other sports, how they how they behave, how they practice. Go to the gym to different for because I'm a used to see all. Two. Other players that are waking up at different time coming back, different time So for me, these feared brings you a lot of experience. So I always decide to stay inside and to to share with other at this, of course, within this country and other ones. So I'm happy to to decide that all my career. Did you see? Did you have the chance to go and see any other sports? Do you remember feeling inspired by any other athletes in particular or well well in? That in dot Olympic Games in Athens. Not that much because. I was winning and I was playing singles doubles singers on. stay all day in the in the club. So well for me was the Olympic ceremony. They'll pass their money on the the. Thirty, something. I. Didn't didn't went to the to to see the secret APP. It's nothing just from the Olympic, Beta? On the the glove for the twelve for today's. After ten years, some two, thousand fourteen. I came back to to to check the due to have good members because after ten years. So I decided to stay there for something now, I this week me. Now in Greece now, I, today in the morning to to have some qualities this week because. I decided to come to agree so. I like to be to be here on. A after the Olympic. Olympic Games only I came back after ten years now again for the first new migos, just to to to feel this country that. Brings me a lot of memories that finals weekend, the ten sets of tennis that you played in into days. Do you remember? Do you remember what you were thinking going into that weekend knowing the you would have the chance to play for two gold medals feel country. Well I think that every much. Give me a lot of confidence and. I always preparing my mind in my my practice that one day. Maybe help to the chance to make something. Big. Always dreamed for that to win the Davis Cup, for example to be number one in the world or to be ten or to win a slam. To. Win The Olympic Games so many things when you are a kid, you dream lot your dream. Do any sort tree, but you need to work, you need to believe on yourself because many people maybe got the confidence outside, but the most important confidence you. So I said to myself. Okay. I. Would prepare always one hundred percent because if in one of my career arrive important stage I need to take it. Don't don't don't. Waste up the that moment. So I think that. When I arrived to semi final when I won against God. On when I won the doubles which another against the Bryans. Of course that we were like semifinal amine singer stand up. I said Okay I'm so close. And the I saw the chance to. Make something big. Of course that they were of the week because with Fernando play a lot normally to maintain the singer on W. was not easy. You have to remember also that the Olympic Games before the finals. Was, playing. lifeset. So I play for many many hours, but the I worked so hard to maintain the energy to maintain my mind. I was really strong. I really prepared a lot to to to write that states fo-. Yes. A good thing that I was not scared. I. Was not scared. To to make something they. Managed the depression. To to know that all my country was watching, all people were following. But a I believe. What I did all my life. I believe all work my life. To put everything that I have a maybe. I can win may lose. But for sure I will give everything on if I will give everything with how a chance so. I was really really happy that I was scared to to make something big because I prepared all my life for that. How aware were you at the time of how big a deal it was in today in a home fee? We were you conscious at that time. What did it take some time afterwards to to really realize the significance of what you did. Yes, of course, huge by the when you're young twenty, three, twenty, four years old normally. Because now on. Fourth. Look. When you are that eight, you are not that scared to. Experiment new things or or you are like more more. The, best. The personality. By that time, you're not afraid or you're not thinking so much about because everything is new. Maybe at the end of your career many when you are thirty, you look back and you start to think more of the things. So I think that I was completely focused on tennis completely focused on on my career. And Yeah I. Mean we were right. We're actually after two weeks. Because we. We flew from We with the flight from May to New York directly. Saw after after you something, where is the? On all the people receiving asking the streets saying, thanks for for there for. Really. Really. Happy that people to to have to young guys. Young guys fighting for for our country and. I had the best memories because until today that people. Support me a lot because of this. They know that every time that I represent my country I, give my best in moments in the bud moments, but they I feel it a lot so. Since I was young for me was really important to represent my country anthem today, the Davis Cup Cup nine. It doesn't matter in if I am in my best moment or not. But through two percent, my country's when the always. One of the most important thing that I can make in my life. It was such a late finish off to the doubles final. Today. Did, you get to bed. What was it like after winning that first gold medal the joy, but also knowing. The biggest match of your life extend. Yeah had a lot of problems because the air with stole it. We finished around I. Don't mean the time. After the final in doubles. My Week, was finished west. Not The end I was. Okay. I, want my I want the festival over the east still who we WANNA. My best friend. We. We born in tennis together and they was really amazing. But the Dennis they at play again for another. To, get another, go medal. So. A I was really focused that I make everything depressed. I was like a going to make the being that anti-doping soya arrive soul late to the to the to. The treatment. Sites. With. Dr, with Feast Yours. tweet something, and then the next day prepare to play against another buffalo. Fights sets. So. Then the next day, also I made the up. In the morning because some rules. At noon, and I went to bed at five or six in the morning, but is led before the final. Of. Singles like all. I. Think five our or six hours maximum. All the motion. All the things. Before the final in singles, I was really really tired. You have to play all the weeks singles. So I woke up on my inner us not the best I I went for for the warm up on. I. Didn't feel like. Ignore I had been in in my in my legs. Under it was really tough. In the final I started. So so pumped onto five zero because I started sexy percent I, one, six three, but then start to. I stopped lost my energy, my my my my my game was. Not with the power, like normally on India on ice the. To to fight with that in some moments, some moments, not an also had a great intrinsic mark deficit was slain. So good. But I also what I told you before I was fighting against the situation I was fighting, but I had a lot of. Confidence because of the. Of the week. Also in my mind in I have like a the feeling that in one moment, I will if feel better, I have a sick on air and then have to take the chance a a tablets. On sound. For, Short, to to win two thousand to be the only the only player in the history to inc.. Magazine, the same Olympic is really incredible feeling because when when when you starting this sport or you'll try to someone in any work you always want to. To have something big. So today a look back and I said Okay I. Admire a small CB. A come from Taylor for us, is that everything? So difficult will fire. On okay but. I make I make everything. People will do to make a good career today I. feel like. Whole nor to. To give like a message to the kids of onto the people from country that when you want something your life, you have to fight for your dreams. You never know where, where are you gonNA. But the most important thing to look back and you you you stay, can okay I give my and this is what it is. I. Don't if you believe in destiny or anything like that, but did it did it feel a bit like that at the time that it was just sort of meant to be in some way? I think that the of course that if you if you don't believe in something and you play tennis because. A you need to do something. Unique, passion, you need to to five for your things. You need to be different. You need to have personality you need to to demonstrate in the good that you want. More than nothing to win more than not into fide, and then of course, I many many moments in my life that I didn't play well that the things go to other side that may be a. Complicated because he's little is like this, of course, now, we're talking this part of the story that this huge. That is big. That is amazing, but to to reach this mental things to to be strong. Scandal. Things before you many many many. Stories that. were, not like that annoy you were having a lot of on you need to fight against this. So I, think when I ride that we twenty four years, I was in a certain age. Because I was young with more experience on a good manage the the. What would the celebrations like after? You won the second gold? Did did Finance Oh, wait for you to celebrate the the doubles. Who did he go out on the Saturday? No. No I, I arrived like a moment. I. Remember that I arrived to the Olympic beat after the final make sprays then I went to complete. The, mandatory things that you need to do after the tournament. Arrive at the I. Around. By finished related, much soul I think around four five in the morning. And then my my thanks coach but. that. He was there with me, he passed away like do three weeks ago. So. He was a really experience coach. He held a lot and the he said to me. Okay. Now. Finish. But we need to tomorrow first light because now the next week. The next Monday in seven days that the. US. Open Undo going to have chance to do something big. They're so assume we left the the the place and you'll start to sink the next one. So. I think that I arrive at five on at six thirty. I left to the to the whole Sonos Liberation I. Think. Only, forty, five minutes. One hour spent time with. With all the teams that the they stay there in. In in Greece. And then I left to the other because I went to Lila I, I signed that normally before we have to nominee violent before you. Guys. Think. Supposed to play. So a win for I traveled from. May, from Greece through to island to pull out from the tournament rules. Then I came back to Miami for two days to make some things, go back to New York, arrive on Thursday and then the tournaments on Monday so I think The right. Decision to to to go to continue because, of course, if we don't have like after seven days, had the chance to stay two three more days in Greece on to to to to not play and to see other sports or to share more time. Is sometimes difficult when you like only two games on US Open, only seven days you've been. was that hard in some ways? They not having that time to to reflect on what you achieve through the other athletes in other sports. The Olympics is kind of the end of a four year cycle and everything stops for a bit of to. It's they get time, but you had no time. I think that we are used to to to be in the in the tour of. Every. Week. The for us to play. Olympic, as something totally different. So we are more used to play in the tour in the Olympic Games, of course that. For example, in my in my side, I, remember that. That week that I told you, I went to Miami went to New York because I made so many things that put us on the tournament. Then I make woman that we through make our life show in Miami then we say that would they then. We're right with a low for a lot of attention on west of my first my first time. Okay. I was close to to beat up ten at the time. But when I right through New, York after the Olympics, of course, was the first time that I feel. So many journalists on people around me being on a lot of expectation on. Of course, the tournament may be a little bit more stress than normally, and also inside the court I was suspecting to play. Normally may be the same level that I played the seven days before, but the different tournament and different conditions. Maybe a little bit more pressure because he's the first time that they're looking at you more. And I didn't play in the USA been the way that they not this. I fight a lot, but it was literally stress I. Think because of that, these normal is not unique need to manage these guy, not play Sean. I maybe was the first time in in in Grand Slam by they say, okay. I want to leave as maybe how the chance to do something now. So I was expecting a little of me. But? If he got through providence seven days from all these traditional for for for for a young guy of twenty, four years old, of course, I drive a lot I, remember I lost in the second round. Do yourself with much points in favor? So I lost many many Well. But this is something that. Is Normal in in in in in our career has any has any feeling in your career ever compared been able to compare to that we off Nano because said. Olympic. Games like a told you at the beginning is three or four times five maximum few at that can play. Be. In So If you make a mistake or your chances or something go wrong. You need to wait for more years. So the big big big. The I tell you liking our country when we play like a Olympic, games. So Watson Cups or Davis Skop saw ATP COPS or whatever the people in the Patriots. On since I was really really young my parents, my grandparents they already. Putting my mind that you need to to to be proud of your country. So I think that A. The failing of course to win. Important matches is you're always happy, but the feeling at the medicine the Games for me was the best and the biggest. Two weeks of my life. And it was it. It was Chili's Chili's I two gold medals. He won their first ever Olympic gold medal. Did Not mean to the country. A lot a lot because. I think that fifteen years ago. With all these situations on Aden's. I think we send that message in my case also with Rondo on me, we we send a message to the. People. On the to the case that when you would remind you want to be sentenced, there's a chance. Always, there's a chance of course, unique talent unique to workout out on everything. But. When you are young, nobody can quit your your your dreams. Nobody got say no to you. If you want to to arrive if I start to look back when I was five years old and start to see the tournaments on the TV or when. I. When I saw at five years old I only beginnings in Los Angeles in the United. States. To be there is a horner guest to arrive to Olympic Games. He's the owner then to think. To win a medal is crazy and then to win to go on the first ones in the history, your country is really is really amazing. Amazing because. These demonstrate that we always can make bigger things depends on how you manage many many things how you want. So. Today. Still always said, this guy wants to begins. these-these is another story on everywhere, I, think that after Olympic Games. Before the Olympic Games all the people, all the people from tennis. Maybe they know me the people around tennis. But then when I wonder if they games, I passed through the other states, I was recognized in the world of sports. Before things on this sports because the to where you go. To Be Olympia. Is is something that all the people? Respect. Of course, they respect the interstate, your career, your career, but for example, today everywhere that I go. The first thing that people remember is the Olympic. Champion. then. Then my my my career, my tennis career, then the other I want sixth ornament than that. I played with me, Dan that I want one. In Europe an old or whatever. But I is that normal is not because it was the biggest thing that I made in my life. I'm more that they. They follow a lot when when we always put for our country Nasul off another one study we orbited, Rusen, Teela. But this different when you pay in a in in these in these guy, no fitted tournaments because is just few. Just finally, where where do you keep your metals? Males. Being at admire were born in the house of my mother. I put it there. For the first time, and then only to get out when when they say vital tennis in two, thousand, thirteen when I make. A press conference to say he. Put My neck to show to all the people on the always say keep it in in the bedroom and because. I prefer to to to to have it with her because I'm traveling all the year and. I feel more sure that. If the made outside with her? See never wear. Them. Only. One time in that that day in an old list of. Two thousand. Thirteen. The show to the people? Maybe one day again. Of course. Special Location. I will make it again. Yeah for me. It's really important that the. The the the people, the people. Be Proud that one. Chilean. Guy. Wins that to for two-goal males in the story on the. Example for for for. What you love I think. Yes. Slight confusion in his voice when when I, ask eat at Cedar, ever wear them ever just get them out and parade around the house, and then we say. You want about what I do that. Clearly E. Subtext, that's what I'd be doing. Yeah, it's. It's the the second best answer to Reggie keep your metals other than about. My person at all times is at my mom's house. At, my parents house I do like that, that's very sweet. Isn't it can just. Loved the. He was reeking of joy. He was like Matt Today. Just. You know it was. It was pouring out of him the the joy. reliving that magical week in Athens and four, and I loved the I. Love. The went back ten years later and. Decided to get to know the city better in properly acquaint himself with it, and you know obviously feels this incredible connection with with that place. Now, it's all. It's very romantic and magical. We went pretty roundabout reuss in order to get that interview through a number of different parties and the moment we got his number I. mean there was no issue from he never heard of us from adamant I. Think. But he was quite happy today the interview and and and Yeah as you hear. So with such warmth and passion and an affection for that period in his life, and it'll be with him forever, which is, which is hard woman. I should say, did also ask him about the fight, the he coaches somebody. Now, that has publicly signalled their intention not to play the Olympics and it's previously shown very little interest in the Olympics and he said look dominated made and announced that decision before I came on board and started working with him. He was extremely respectful of that decision. He said look dominic loves paying his country. He said Dominic fills big attachment to the pool event and I respect that, but he will say he he did imply that it'd be something they would be discussing. I, I wanted him to say, yeah, he's an idiot I. will will make him realize what he's what he's missing out on, but he was forty nice and respectful for. But I just want to do you just wonder when they do have that conversation whether Dominic mind will be changed to. possibly. Not. Should we hear from the man that he beats in that gold medal match and I say this with we slide trepidation because I really enjoyed my my forty five minutes chatting to to modify. She's another very interesting. Thoughtful articulate bloke the. The ten minutes we spent talking about that match at about. Winning a medal for his country and Onyx, an unexpected medal. We're quite painful and quite quite tough. Actually was clearly clearly something that still hurts Mardy fish and you might think why he want to meddle will. He'll explain why. Because, for him, it feels like. One that got away than. Something that he won. And Yeah. I asked him where where that balances between the joy of winning a medal and the despair and disappointment at not being the gold. It's there. It's tough to find to be honest. You. Know in the moment, I sort of felt like, okay. You know I'm really a really bummed right now. But in time it'll be really amazing to bring this medal back in sort of share it with my family and friends on. I never really that never really happened I never really felt like, okay. Let me show this thing off and let me show my second place off and it just didn't feel right Sort of even felt like third, know bronze-medal received. Win That match. France has always be Taylor Dent. In that third and fourth playoff in Fernando one is matched to win his medal. I lost my match to get my medal. So felt itself odd Your thing too is that people may not understand is that They give you a an Olympic ring regardless of used. If you're an Olympic athlete in you can you can put it at one diamond in there for an extra two, hundred dollars or whatever. But you know they put your sport and they put your name on it, and if you're lucky enough to win a medal, they'll put your what you want on there and they send it to you after the fact obviously and So I got my are my in the mail and it said Gold medalist on it. And I initially, it was like, wow, this is pretty cool. I got a gold medal ring. You know and I put it on never forget that. Put It on one time I went to the supermarket just to get you know something some groceries for the house in, had it on and I remember checking out and I looked down at it and I'm like, what are you doing wearing this thing? Like you are not a gold medalist? Why are you wearing this and I never put it on again, actually don't know where it is. Anymore. So it was kind of a bummer to not get to not win the gold medal. I got my ring of gold medals. You should've been exchange, see the right one. Maybe nick got these Nico Gotten to the silver medal I, speak to him this morning and he didn't mention it. Okay. I should send it to here. Yeah. Do you remember? Do you remember how you felt on the podium? Yeah I do I was. The picture, say at all because I've seen the pictures before few times sort of devastated is is an understatement they threw up the the the song right. After we are the champions by Queen, you know You know for Nicholas and and I'll never forget that one of my least favorite songs now and I used to like the song on. The. So there's a you know an an and there's a lot of lot of. Look. It was some of my greatest memories of my life in on the tennis court and in turn some of my worst memories on the tennis court all in one event I never went back to an Olympics I could have gone in, Owada. Could've gone in two, thousand, twelve in London, and I never went back Mostly, because I, thought that I probably wouldn't be winning a gold medal again or having the chance putting myself in that position again, partly because just saying look I've been there done that it was an amazing experience one that, I'll never forget obviously and I'll just take that with me and mostly because of the scar tissue from. Know from sort of having it in my hands and letting it slip away and I just felt like I didn't want to rehash those feelings and so I never went back. was was particularly in two thousand and eight I. Suppose that a a tough decision not to buy now is not really not really I mean if if if the Look my I, I love going to London, and so if that one was if away if they were in a way instead of twenty twelve. I may have may have had Beijing is a fairly Very. Different. From from you know what? Obviously we are used to even even you in London or consuming your London. UK and and. It's just very different and not one of my favorite places to go into play. So it was it. That was a fairly easy decision. Twenty twelve was also fairly easy in a sense that I was in a different place in my career in the top ten in the world, and I was in a position at that point to I'd worked so hard to get into the top ten in the world and changed my lifestyle around really and. That was my opportunity to sort of to sort of collect and make a bunch of money in appearance fees, and so I I chose that honestly over the Olympics I chose playing in a few events that. would pay me a bunch of money to play in and I felt like that was my opportunity to really. You know sort of think about my future a little bit and and I, think about. It at the you know by then and and so I had. A family on the on the way that that I wanted to be able to take care of and being able to set aside a bunch of money from a few events and not go back to the Olympics. Again was a fairly easy choice for me and they and now regrets. No, no No would would the Olympics Wimbledon have been amazing. Of course, of course And Grass courts for me were a nice would have been a nice opportunity. I would have loved to have played. Some doubles as well. A doubles is, is always a fun for me and I've always played well or done well in double. So that would have been maybe my. My biggest opportunity to win a gold medal. But again I've I've I have a metal and if I didn't have a metal, maybe that would have been different if I lost the first round against Jonas Bjorkman, I probably would have played in three or four Olympics but. but I didn't end I have a metal and no, one can take it away from me. But I don't have that coveted gold that that I really wanted. He would you keep the metal? It's my safe here, the house That doesn't come out very often I. Think I as a joke I've got one of those Peleton treadmills and my my buddy on a best friends from home has one as well, and they have this new thing called the video chat or you can chat or you can video and work out in the same workout together. And we had planned this workout and I jumped on there without a shirt on and I put my metal metal around my neck as a joke. You notice or to start running with them because we were GONNA race. You know we were like it was in a competition. So I figured that would have been kinda funny. So I did that to him. So that's the last hour done that. That was eight months ago or so six months ago. So that's right. It doesn't come off. Yeah. It doesn't come. It doesn't come out too often unfortunately, and I haven't You know it's not one of the things you can sorta lose and then replace like a watch or something You don't get another one if you lose it. So I, don't have it out to show or anything in my house on. So, I don't know just kind of sits in my sits in my safe. Use of metals as props in practical jokes is also something that I would accept. But. I'm not sure about the safe I. Mean it is is. It's yeah. It's sitting with with his experience, his net. And what what more is there to say, that's that's where it stands in his his life. It's it's hard for him to look at it. I think it. Yeah, and I should say those details that he referenced when I asked him the. Being on the podium and he said. Yeah, we'll have looked at the photos since then and they summit up. so He'd kind of prepared me for how gut wrenching these fatos we're going to be, and nonetheless when we were them out yesterday, they still punched me in the gods. They are harrowing to Look I. I. Love. I love it when it's like in the Oscars when. When Elise, it doesn't bother with them. magnanimous. I'm so pleased for my rival nominee face. It's just the best thing, and he is not bothering to disguise how disgusted he is. With that moments in the the color of the medal around his neck in that makes he thinks it was was his today's and and he feels he lost the gold rather than winning the silver. And as you pointed out maids. All the worse by the fact that he's got aware that wreath on his head. which really kind of should be reserved for the winners think and I think if you wear that having a moment of disappointment, he just sort of adds to. To the slight humiliation, even though it isn't humiliation, he's. He's going to the Olympics but. Yeah. You've lost a tennis match. She have to stick around and receive recognition if that. was wearing fancy dress is not is not. necessarily. The the situation you want, and if you check, we will will be posting these photos on a station media channels if you if you want to see them because I mean they. said that they tell the whole story especially as. And we'll, we'll be hearing from Fernanda shortly, especially, as it was Musudan, Zola's who had won the doubles gold together the day before that were that were I. AM thirteen, next one another on the podium, and they're sharing this moment the sharing this joy and Gonzalez's delighted with his bronze. And delighted with. The that movements on the page with his doubles partner and all of that, and he just cut such lonely out of place figure, this Mardy fish is. Winter F- Fulham reading match last year. Fulham one. Catherine. Didn't know. Cafe. Although on that day, I was actually the lonely figure because I was. Fulham Fan among reading fans having to suppress my joy reid. Well. That was the case until half time and all of the reading funds exits and not to return. Anyway. It's. It's really fascinating to hear those two interviews back to back. Obviously most obviously for the for the difference in their voice and their experiences, Olympics. But I thought that was also something. Really interesting about how they quite similar age is is. Any a couple years between them and you asked fish in another portion of that interview. Whether as you said, it was the one that got away whether he had any regrets about. The actual match she played in the final because he lost it from from a two sets to one and a break up, and he said, he didn't actually have any regrets about the Tennessee play. What regretted was not having the maturity to recognize the moment and recognizing that it might not come again whereas Massu talking in that interview that was so appreciative of the moment, a new that he'd been kind of dreaming of this moment and. Didn't let the magnitude of it, get to him, but actually embraced there and manage to find something within himself. That was extra because it was the Olympics because he built it up in his mind and I just thought it was an interesting contrast in those two they different approaches to the same match and just just just the part on the road that the Olympics paid in their respective careers I thought was was neatly summarized in their reactions to it. Absolutely I mean the fact that Molly fish never played another Olympics I find extraordinary owner they. It was sort of different reasoning for for eight and twenty twelve. He he does reference the Scottish she from Athens, being kind of the the primary reason why he didn't feel compelled to return. Just as a measure of how tough that loss was for him. Let's say from Fernando Gonzales now. took his experience of that that. Athens Olympics, he left with a gold from the doubles and a bronze from. From the singles, he lost out to Mardy fish in the semifinals. And David David asked him about that loss. Was One of the worst days of my? Career life. You know on the I was really sought on the next day. I have to came over to play for the bronze medal in singles. Gold Medal doubles so. Twenty four hours. A have a lot of different feelings. Streuli, disappointed sod, one day, and the next day. I. Get the the Brotzman. All we a bit. The Taylor then sixteen fourteen, the third set save in a couple of much points, and then I almost didn't have risked because. It was the lady final Really quick. We'll to play vessel five sets and the final. Doubles Finals so I was really tired Nicola. Swing. Four Times doctor because he a little energy neon on again, we save foil much polling Six. To down in the tie-break before Seoul was I. Mean it was incredible because every time I won a medal, say a couple points. It is incredible. Isn't it is watching those scenes. I just wonder what have you ever felt like that on tennis courts anywhere else. These west complicity friend because was for was really win a huge. One of the best moment of three of my country, I don't want to say the. Most, important one, but he's one of the most. and. After. When we came back to Chile was something I, never dream with this was in. In a in a copy in the boss on the people of Washington. On the street, the I mean say, hi, Wasserman thousands. People's. and. The what's really everything was so quick because we played that in one week's lanes shingles. Dabo seal some doubles. On. People start to get the real excited during. During that week in in our country. So Of course, the crunch time for me are the best, but the Olympic gangs, I, get better made. and. The people in Chica I mean off always remember about this and what Nicholas went onto do winning. The the singles gold as well. I mean. What what do you think about what he achieved? While it was unbelievable. It was a really, really great for to be honest. I wish. I. Can be there I, wish I that China but but of course she. Of course by far the. Best, time of his career. And winning singles and doubles in the same Olympics. Nobody else did it. I. Mean. Maybe a raw, he won't even seeing Lucy in doubles by the different gangs, the same gangs his is not issue is militiamen i. mean he really really good job Nicholas. Prior to you think, he did it. Nicholas have a lot of a great. He's a great fighter. First of all I mean maybe hit will have the best service. You don't have the best back on the four hundred. He really good shots, but the way that he competes him in thrilling credible because. That's that's why he did I. Think because stirred to after placing news newson dabbles with a lot of pressure and say a lot of pressure because without the small country. Talking about, sports. but the way that he fights. The way that he thinks that he can do it i. think that's why he did it. You know, and of course he is, I mean, he released stops throwing the beginning of the tournament. And then he's better than better. It shows the magic of the Olympics, but it also shows the highs and lows doesn't it because there were you failing really sad that you lost a fish and then you win the bronze and then you win the doubles Colt and Mardi plays against Nicholas and he he misses out just misses out on the gold medal in in the singles. It's Cya many highs and lows, isn't it? Because normally in the regular tournament many, you don't play for the third place. You know what he wants to. West, really strange for me to play for the bronze because. I don't play anymore normally the tournament, but you still have the chance to win in the middle, and that's why that's why I went to the Olympics to get the medal. I. Kid anyone of course, you get these way better but. But the the semi Zeke from the Olympic because I mean on the tour or stay like my own in room in the Olympics to the room with Nicholas on. He was so happy because he has to play the final the next day on. What's really sad because. I have the chance to do it also by the have to play for the bronze. Air On, of course they they'll be the most securities incredible. It's incredible that you can spend time with other disciplines, other country, other cool tours, other realities, even your same country without the realities of the sports. On the this, I think they were Olympic Village on the Olympics. Are. The. Soul of the sport. The soul of the sport that something I can can get on board with this is so nice to have from. Such. Nice. Seeming like I just want to correct a point of fact. From that Nicholas Masui. Ziani, man to one singles and doubles gold at the same Olympics because both the Williams sisters have done that Venus did it in two thousand. And suing it-it-it's in. London, in twenty. But yeah, Mizzou is is the man to achieve that and? Imagine if it had been an all Chilean final. Space maybe it's it's. Not. Kim's always, but maybe it's better that it that it wasn't an actually. I. I know I'm really the more I hear these into his more I. Really think there's something in this losing a silver winning Lebron's thing I think. I'd rather have the bronze. writes the bronze medal winners do seem happier than the metal defeated players actually. Massu income solid was sharing a room. Imagine. Imagine what would have been like I've come back to the room the night before the Olympic. Final that the plan against each other and then. They fell out and then and then they've got to play the the double certified you the play, the doubles before but. Didn't happen like that. I think because I didn't get chance to follow that particular Olympics in great detail at the time I saw these results coming through, but I worked in tennis. The idea that Nicolas Massu was doing this just seemed absurd. It was unthinkable before the event that he would win gold medal in either event to me, and so it was magical a man with the the least glamorous and impressive nickname of all sports people, I think civil chief quite success. What, what is his name name? What it was the squirrel. Because if his his long bushy brown paint Intel, like skurdal's tail. Well, I I. Assume that's why it was icon identify Dayton Nicholas Missy, well, enough to know if he has other character traits that are akin to squirrel. TIME FOR UT S. Yeah. Yeah. Even Nicholas Sue Greg, all? The. Nickname. Yeah some. There was A. The. Yet Mosquitoes Achilles, though I still think that's more. Schools just eat nuts. Maybe. Anyway. We Guy. Layman's. Squirrels can turn nasty the gray ones. The gray ones can be nasty. Can they? That's what I've heard. The red ones an ice from. Hey. The gray ones are just more common. Don't they? Just, want him getting from Squirrel I circles. Even raise on the same page than his Razi. 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Roland Garros Preview, Drip Review

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Roland Garros Preview, Drip Review

"Hi, this is Marion Bartoli Mats Wilander. This is Mary Carillo I'm stunned Rohingya and Lighting Hewitt. This is Yannick Noah Hi. This is Les Denison from Minneapolis, Minnesota, and you're listening to the tennis podcast. Well Hello folks, and hello in particular to Lilly Denison that you heard on our introit that lily in Minneapolis Minnesota. Lovely rich lovely voice retype voice there for injury. Thank you. Lily is a It's a tough time been states the May more frankly it's a tough time to be anywhere but soft be in the states overthinking of you lily and hope things improve maybe in November Oh, of go political no one's even said anything a tough tough time. To be in in my living room at the moment because I accidentally double diced and my coffee this morning and I just in a sleepy haze forgot that I'd already spooned my coffee into mugs did it twice and of Mega Mega Jitters I can't get rid of them. Maybe it's because I've just been listening to drip by Shep I love and corns. But either way of on edge. The lots of because I've also got the justice. And drip was on our agenda. It was quite far down our and given I've just mentioned it and don't want to have to mention it twice to rediscover get review if drip out of the way now can we just tell them what it is? It's A. Rap Song. Written. And written by Dennis shop of and current. I'm ut who've now joined forces and recently released. NEW CHEAP I mean I. I don't think he would. I mean why would you want to buy it but maybe you can buy it from somewhere if you'd like T- but That united these. These tough times I think this better places feel money to go. Well, we're listening to and I did find myself slightly not in a not in long for for eight seconds. And there is multiple references to the word drip. And then I started to get a little bit retarded by it and then the jitters did follow. so that's margie. I think this would have musical hook is all right very repetitive. I think that it's decently. Produced it seems to have been produced. By Maybe it doesn't actually say on the thought it did say now property of chiappa music so. Up. Provided you on each by district kid I don't know if that's a producer anyway. Quite, sort of decent quality production, the lyrics are an absolute abomination. The particulars it's like they've ironically played rap song Bingo and elective. Woods that you must say in in Cheesy Lebron rap music into a hat and pulled them out line by line they have to rhyme. Made in mill with drip down. Good. Another kill with that drip down the this might not be exactly accurate because the diction is not that. Great. On the song this is mine too ovation. Got It in my crib without drip down is like mill kill, Crib. There's references to sitting back and counting this. I feel I mean he's an adult. He can take responsibility for his own actions but I feel bad for Kearns. I'm Rita really seems to me. He's been dragged down into this quagmire. definitely advise quarantine if he does want to continue with the rap. which each to their own stick stick to rapping in French French rap is better than. Or? He's better. Yeah. Yeah and I just you know major of the middle with that drip. down. According to mutates total career earnings of one, thousand, one, million, two, hundred, sixty, thousand, two, hundred, and seventeen dollars so. Accounting for expenses that's not even one meal. Counting another meal unless he's really really great sponsorship deals that I'm aware of does anybody know Somebody explained to me what drip down means. Oh is meaningless. That is an essential. Feature, if crap rap music. You've got understand he's done that with the drip down. So I'm trying to understand what? I think we've given enough et I'm having we. Matt you'll. You'll review. You'll probably some it all up in a brilliant one liner I. I. Really have nothing to on I mean just make it stop please. downloadable folks if you want to. Copyright chiappa music. So. All of tennis in musical tennis just put him in my prediction semifinal shop Avello. Gosh. Yeah. Have you despite him complaining in his song that everybody says he's rated will not be Dennis I'm very much rating e. You are overrating him. Again. It was on these things where I didn't intend to. But then I looked at the draw and somehow it happened because the drawers have been done they done at five pm. Time last night, which was six PM local time. Matt you're following live and live tweeting. Was it a proper draw rather than Joel reveal first and foremost? Yes it was excellent. I have to say it was all electronically dumb. They do the non-seeds electronically I think and then drew the seeds out of a hat. But overstay in in covert times they are not wanting to touch a load of chips did all electrically and it was easy to follow quick and genuine excitement when the names came out. Yes. I wholeheartedly approve of this drool method and there was some genuine sharp intake of breath. All goes be if everyone had been in the same room, which obviously they weren't, but they would have been. Probably. Quite genuine gospel in using ause right it a couple of moments in that drawer I think, yes. The main one was Andy Murray Getting Stan Wawrinka, and because the way they did it was they drew the non-seeded names i. You could tell the Andy Murray was going to be facing a seed and then when the seeds came out, it was just a question of who it would. Be, and then of course, it was Stan Wawrinka which I think other than probably conviction. The Dow that was probably as sort of gasp inducing as you could get given Mary's history with were rinker at the French Open and the fact that the very last match Mary played on Clay Court was that one at the two thousand, seventeen, French Open which in Mary's own words finished off his hip. Yeah and he'd he'd practiced with Stanford Frank I. Think the day before hadn't he'd done. So media post about saying exactly that he'd written the script himself it said. You know amazing to be back on this call for brings memories of all much in two, thousand, seventeen, which to be. The end of my hip. So you know if if Andy Murray is putting, it is sort of narrative is is that I? Don't think we're all getting carried away with. With the poetry of this, this draws th right now, not least because it kind of did the damage to both of them because Stanford Rinker? Wasn't the same after that match either he played Sir Founded Allen the final. Now he could lost that straightforward the anywhere anyway but he was not competitive in that final and then a couple of months later he's having double knee century, and if you remember when we arrived at the twenty eighteen Australian Open, he was trying to make his comeback and he was using the words. He was a last-minute entrance. If you remember he he he was he had one practice session to decide whether we would end to the Australian Open and he decided to play and he said I've got to start somewhere and he was clearly I. Remember I remember describing as his legs looked as though they didn't really belong to him. He just didn't looks on steady ground at all and yet in that particular semifinal, he played against Murray. For. Whatever amount of time they were on the court they were both pretty close to their very best. It was a classic match. There were a couple of breaks. It was just a tug of war between these two. Great says the Modern Game Radio K. The just level below the Dow Federal Jock Itch but they are two of the most important players in men's tennis in the last fifteen years and they just took it to each other. They're a great contrast combination for match and they produced it on that day but Murray well I think it was a week later arrived at Queens we were with him a lot and he was He. Was Number one in the world wasn't he still at that time and he was he'd been branded in that superheroes outfit the and the blue trying to make out that he's a superhero. And he looks like similarly Tau described ever. There is always legs didn't belong to him. I, think he'd had a pretty severe injection to take the pain away and it made him feel really weird. You know he couldn't really feel the rest of his body and then he played that Wimbledon he lost to San Query if you remember he, he managed a decent run to the quarterfinals and then he didn't play in a car remember how long but I mean he was out for. Ages and and he was never the same again until until after the hip resurfacing surgery, he couldn't write it better. Could you don't think I, know I know. I mean, there have been very videos emerging this week of of everybody hitting hitting on clay roane girls hitting under the Nisha trae reef which I'm finding very difficult to get east of I think sort of combined with the the different. Tom. Conditions and the new acoustics in the. There's never crowns this stage of the tournament but still knowing that what you're seeing in practice sessions is going to be very similar acoustically to what we're saying what we ended up seeing next next week more of that in a minute I didn't know I find quite love those videos quite eerie actually. Butts seeing the videos, Wendy Murray Hitting Klay Look I've I've got no idea what what level of tennis he will produce a really don't we've we've got absolutely say that was the last clay-court much he played. We've absolutely no reference point for metal hip time Murray. Played really. Well. You said that. I said that. No. Sorry much. I hadn't really. Clearly. No this. Listening. David Law Wow? I just just really takes. You doesn't it's a three and a half years. Wow. Yeah. I say, no reference pointed tool for the level of tennis, but in terms of his physical comfort level. I. Think he looks. Pretty happy making on the clay and I do 'cause my mind back to when I interviewed him for prime back in I think it was on the fifth of March this year on the eve of what should have been the trip to Indian Wells and it was in looking back now there was an awkward moment of Doing the elbow tap instead of the standard cheek kiss greeting and it was like, Oh, we will. We've all got a bit for with the old cove it. You know we we better D. The obey tap because united the powers that be in the when actually thank God we they obey tap wouldn't. Catch coronavirus at the at the national. Tennis. Center anyway. No no suggestion that there is corona a virus rampant at the national tennis centre husband is anytime. I. Can see David's face. DISCLAIMER for Catherine. If you turn you. Ask. and obviously at that point we were focusing on he'd he that points? Pulled out his plans to play and do miles and he was hoping to be fit to play Miami and it was kind of in that niggly stage with his hip where he's feeling that impingement and it will very stuttering again and he said. Nobody's asking me about the clay He said when they do us, they kind of assuming that maybe wouldn't even played the clay and he said. He said clay is the surface I'm most looking forward to for my hip because it is the softest is the kindest and most forgiving on your joints. So that doesn't mean necessarily that he'll get his best results, but in terms of how comfortable he fails moving. I it it's. It's nice to see him looking I. think less less tentative. On hit, which has been generally recently but. I'm looking forward to hopefully saying Furman. And that is the big hope I think from this match that both players sort of emerged from intact unlike they did the last time and I was just thinking about it as much as I love the E. Poetic. Narrative around it, it is a bit of a shame that they are playing in the first round I mean I like high profile matches, but I was thinking for Mary's perspective. We saw how? Recovery at the US Open was a real struggle and maybe the clay will be soft on his hair and his body generally, and that will make recovery easier. But perhaps in one sense, it's better to have the marquee match first. So he goes into kind of ready. You know had that marquee match against was your earliest? Seem US Open just wasn't ready for having had a pretty grueling five cents of the around before. So perhaps it's A. Good thing that he gets this match I and he can kind of go into it as fresh as possibly can and give it a bit of a go and I. Think there's a lot of talk about whether Mary needs to adjust how he plays the game. Now with, we need to be more aggressive to shorten the short length of these rallies and matches. So it does take less out of his body and if he's looking for a template. Played against were brinker the year before the twenty seventeen. Semi final they they played in two thousand sixteen and I think that's Mary's best-ever clay-court match when he was so aggressive and so tactically aware against rinker and I think it'd be interesting whether he deploys similar kind of aggression in this one what what did he do? Match because I? I can remember the results I can't remember the match. I remember him really standing in taking on his second serving just taking time away and just being the aggressor out there. No not getting involved in lots of long rallies against levering coast. So physical and strong and kind of bully you from the back of the core but it was Mary who was who was really taking the border early and taking it to over Rinca and I mean, Mary was in his absolute peak twenty, sixteen, I'm I'm not expecting him to. That level again but I just wonder whether he might adopt that approach and you know of Rink. Pretty. Pretty Rusty himself he's played. He's played a bit more on the Clay Mary played a couple of Shining Joe Events. I think in in Prague while the US Open was coming on and just before but he lost in the first round of Rome didn't need to learn so much. So he's he's kind of show on match practices well so There's a chance for Mary but I'm I'm intrigued by it all how Mary we'll play and how they were both hold up hold up physically. I'm expecting to classic personally particularly. Because we'll see is talking about the you talking about the wear and tear on the body I. IT stands to reason that this will work for these plans to me at least who have been injured, who have who have still chiseled themselves into incredible shape. Now, fill the rest of their physicality whatever those joint ally rest of them they're ready to go these two and. I think I. Think Murray we'll be aggressive. I think the rink roby aggressive I think it'd be really explosive and probably long and just talking about the draw. The winner lightly to play dominate. Kampfer who's just been so impressive couple of weeks he's had didn't he get to the semi-finals of of Ryan? Yes the. Is Gorgeous coaches and brilliant and he followed it up with a couple of results in Hamburg as well. I mean you could very easily imagine him kind of picking up the pieces of that match and ended up beating the winner but laying the remains of Andy Murray Slash. DENVER broncos. My end up pitting again. But I think the D actual first round match look. I oversee it would be nicer if it was a full andrew quarterfinal or a semi vital. I'll. I'll take it. I think it's just GonNa be a wonderful experience to say them. Got It again. David Luiz optimism shocker. On. The men's side my any other maybe not Gospel for the moment spit intake of breath where the moments. When I think the big. The big question about the drool was which which half will team land in whether it'd be Jackovich's half on the dolls off and he's landed in the dolls off which I think is significant because he's he's beaten Djokovic has knee a couple of times at the French Open in the last few years and. As we've talked about, it's incredibly difficult to beat two of them in the same tournament. So. My take away from that was that I kind of had team and Jovic level the second favourite probably before the drawer I would now slightly elevate at Jackovitch team given that Djokovic doesn't have either team on the doll in his off I. Think he's quite a clear favorite to get to the final barring. Any incidents. So. That was significant. I think teams draw itself is quite Tuffy opens against marrying Chile that was kind of slightly gospel inducing moment. Of course, it means that we've got. To matches between all Grand Slam champions in the first round, Mary. Wavering an team versus Chile so. At least two grand champions will be going out in the first round and there will be that many in the men's draw. So that's I mean that was significant and then I think the other thing that I looked at was stefanos sit surpasses draw being tough. Just just jumped out at me plays Who does he play Gio Moonen the first round then probably Pablo Cuevas then possibly at Cryan and then possibly Dennis chiappa valve just to get to the quarter-finals that to me is a lot of inform players there's a lot of clay-court specialists in. I know sits passes gaining a bit of form and confidence hopefully this week in Hamburg but. That is a tough tough draw for him. I think that that could be a poisoned chalice in itself because the the Hamburg final is on the same day is They WanNa Furlan girls there's an natural overlap. So obviously, they wouldn't shed. You'll sits passes much for Sunday. Were he in the Humboldt final? All one would presume in the semi finals or they know had any guarantee if that? I can't help but think that that. PUTS HIM AT A. disadvantage. My mind gets back to this year that the Alex Domino One Sydney. And he wants. Sydney. On Saturday sheduled on the Monday if the Australian Open any any lost first-round? Wasn't it? Pulled out this year vicious it pickup wasn't. Really good results there and then he got hurt and couldn't play Australia. Yes it was last year it was lost and. We'll have to do a twenty four hour quarantine as well when he arrived so oh. crikey enforcing Steph sits pass to be in a room on his own for twenty four hours. I mean if he gets to the Hamburg final but Sunday's probably not getting to Paris until that evening it probably I mean his his first trip to site might be to play his match. I mean that's the kind of quick turnaround of the of the time that we're talking about. Actually they are doing a lot of that aren't they of only having pledged their for their matching their practice session to minimize time together because of covid nineteen catherine just quickly sit surpass his due to play shop. The seeds go according to plan nights eight against the fifth seed. Does that mean you've got CHIAPPA? VAL BEATING CIPA? Well. I haven't the predictions. We don't have to do four rounds. I have CHIAPPA VAL of my quarters I. I did this discussion I feel good about the fact that I have sit surpass that. I think is just explained there is. Not An insignificant challenge the chance that he won't get to that around it is I think it's really. Tough jewelry if he's struggling for confidence playing confidence players. I know I think. That's tough. So Don't make me make predictions that I have been required to make official her. I've gone. To final lineup let bit at that. I saw him I saw him the other day. Look good to me. In the women's draw Matt what jumped out. Well. Again it was. It was a Brit I think with the standout match and that is joke counter against cocoa golf in round one. I I'm not sure what to think about that match I mean Golf Golf is a junior French Open champion I. believe I just haven't seen that much of own clay a tall no she played mcgrew of the other weekend in Rome and Perform pretty wet in that match. But I I genuinely have no real expectations of what she's like on unclear I. Know She's a great competitors. So I'm sure she will concert problems in that match. An it's an interesting one for come to who is so. Process. Base and I don't get the impression that she does get particularly concerned about who she's playing that often to me it feels like she approaches every match just kinda thinking about has settled from what she can. On the cool and that is a real test of that scale in that method against cocoa golf because. You know you don't you don't want to lose two sixteen year old coca golf and the so much hype around turn the such attention and whenever she plays I think it's it's an interesting match mentally for joke into whether she will be able to control control it. The way she likes to I think stylistically as well she could be problematic for concer. Conscious hidden traps and playing kind of blink zone. She might be out of just be relentless enough to knock off the cord but. What I like about golfing I think she will be good on clay is. I have movements and be herb ability to improvise and. Shields Fried slices and she'll triangles in and she could just as the sort of Plas- we've seen 'cause. Concert. Problems, she could make a malfunction. Michael's final say. About if you're saying where in the standings. David David Grove points downwards. Get needed a great predictions for the year. We have a number of kickstarter backers. Backers at a level to take on throughout the year, the Grand Slams, and they're probably about four people out of the thirty vented who just didn't get around to entering the US Open and they're still ahead of me. Even though they didn't enter. Mathis had to reduce the scale on the growth in order to accommodate the size of David, down with ball. Relative. to the size of other people's with balls or that's a whole separate predictions competition. David is there was languishing in both yeah. Well, the I liked the. I really enjoyed the visual of exactly how badly David's doing a big fan of the growth. Just going to pick up my trophy of last year place here just for Comforts. Yeah, let's put that. Actually the way you position now zoom, it looks like the trophy has your name on it. Great? Trophies, that you people is of the non reusable. For. We call my other. Shall I say up. Here. Shaped like a coffin I. Got My tennis podcasts Mike and Lieutenant. PODCAST Hootie. IDEA. What else from the women's draw? What else I mean I always look to see Serena William's lands, and she's in the half with Simona Halep and she starts against Christiaan who she also played in the first round of the US Open not sure what Cristiano has done. To to the tennis drawer God could you face when she was told that I mean you would think that somebody's GonNa wind up. And then Serena gets another potential US Open rematch in round two, Possibili- Fatana Perron cover, which could be tricky. She Calls Serena, quite a few problems in New York and then also in her section is victorious Aranka. So another the show you're open rematch and as a herself cappella Venus Williams again in round two. So all those all those Moti Multiple Grand Slam champions in one section I'm out of big takeaway from the women's stories just how open the bottom half as in particular Gabino mcgrew those in that half I think for me she's the favorite to come through that half because. So many of the other seeds they've got convinced Salamanca curb keys Stevens. Cannon. They're either not really clay-court specialists or they're hopeless the answer form. So I could imagine that being two surprises in that bottom half but I think mcgrew if she's fit, she had a little bit of injury problem against happen. In Rome if she's fit I think she's probably the strong favourite in the bottom half of gotTa mcgary phthalate. final. Not Faith. Head untold. Looking at an I haven't gone through this round yet, but that does seem. Like. A very sensible shouts. Pinned, well. To Gain Ground Dongtai. So I need to go out on a limb the where steam Garin for the for the Hamburg title is he still in in the drool here? Still the only one three that still go to David can now pick Christian Garin out of the lineup and everything. He said. If the other day just to sort of show that. A, you know who he is. Another win on the Board for me I'm actually. Looking at these drawers that fantastic draws I mean really I know that in the women's store, there are three big names missing and undress, Goo and Asaka and. And the defending champion of sex party but. The women's game is has got so many good names and styles apply and storylines. I think it can probably weather more than the men's draw can when there's If you knock three of the biggest names out the MINSTREL. Bit like we were in the US, open the worst some glaring holes in in terms of appeal I feel during the US Open. Looking at. The French Open men's draw just quickly going back to that. I think it looks it couldn't have landed more appetizing the from a neutral perspective now know. Certain plans will be thinking all jockettes. He's got a really lucky drawer really easy troll. And Look at ten teams got a nightmare looking drawer on paper. But if wanted it that way ran for entertainment purposes. That's what I would have gone for because I, think that team physically can handle it and he can probably bulldozes way through to that meeting with Dow and then Jovic meeting the winner of that potentially I think that that is all. A beautiful thing. Hurry Take I. Think we're. In. For crack and couple of. Weeks. Davis Stephanie. Recovered from his jet. Line 'cause name. Still. Cosworth optimism rolled into one on the men's draw. I. Mean I haven't done my predictions ran Bahrain yet but I mean, really I feel like I could at the moment make a case a strong case in my mind to who is going to come out on top how those three. Pretty equally right now. I'm not I'm not convinced to I. Think is going to win that. So you're not convinced of who is the favourite for different shaping not not not the way that draws fallen. I I mean, actually I was listening even before the draw was made, I was listening to Todd Woodbridge on nine and he's got the Dow is third favourite for the title and this week before the draw was made based on what he'd seen in Rome he'd got Jackovitch the favourite having come in having one room. Then team is the US. Open champion the Dow. which I found interesting I. DON'T I don't agree with him pre draw but now looking at the drawl, the fact that. I can imagine a little bit like I was describing with marine verve rinker. Team in the Dow. Taking each to a place that humans should not be going on a court and they're not being an awful lot left at them for two days later. That's that's interesting. I had kind of the opposite reaction based on the draw. It made the dollar more. AFFIRMA- favor in my mind because I just thought those first few rounds with danger rounds phone the DR I think he's I. Think he's coasting through three rounds and will find his form and top gear for the latter stages and When when he does find his top form, he doesn't even get pushed to five sets at the French Open. Five sets once in usual. This could well be autumn in those and I think that that could be very different. Yeah I I think the conditions are important to. To take into account but. I think we're doing the doll at the service on clay. If we doesn't think he can get to those conditions. Time champion. Yeah. Yeah, it is. It is focused is very autumnal day isn't it? It's it's GonNa feel weird. To be calling. Windy and cold. Quite funny. I'm here for Wyndham weather. Kale's we had wind and weather chaos lost. You didn't we had a sandstorm was that not enough for you? Yeah, the focus is definitely going to feel very different. Now, as things stand at the moment, we're recording on Friday morning. The draw was done last night the tournament starts in in in forty time the tournament will be underway as it stands. At the moment we believe that one thousand fans per day will be permitted entry to Roland Garros. Now, the French government issued to change the rules and guidelines a couple of days ago. Mass gatherings had been reduced from five thousand to one, thousand which. The writing on the wolf a for Roland. Garros. Still after that, the tournament officials gave for J. The tournament director is going out saying. They will hoping an exemption would be made for the French Open and they would still be permitted to have the the five thousand pounds per day that they were planning on. That time that was some. Slightly questionable quotes floating around from for Jay saying it's still is still safer than to to come to outdoor tennis than it is to get to supermarket will go in the Metro. a lot of people subsequently then pointing out well, how do you think most of these funds are going to get to Roland Garros? It's on the Metro but anyway and then there was remiss circulating last night. As a result of the French prime minister appearing on on French television looking slightly unsure if the exact situation. But heavily implying that the one thousand people admitted on site everyday would be inclusive of staff and players are all accredited people would be included in that one thousand. Personnel Location, which is we understand it would would essentially leave no funds. being allowed on. So we now understand courtesy if they keep. He pretty much always accurate in terms of the reporting that it will be one thousand pounds per day. In addition to credited persons onsite and not is where we stand. At the moment that will be thousand pounds per day all of them on Shatri say she distanced? Soviet coming from the same household. That could very much change. The next forty, eight hours because I mean. Frankly, it could change over the course of the fortnight because it is extraordinary. How shifting the sounds are this tournament is being staged on That that's sponsored me for awhile. Festival what always felt like unrealistic expectations in terms of what might be possible given the rate of increase in infections in France and in. Paris in particular. They were. Ridiculously optimistic come in and I am an optimist. But that was just upset I thought time but I thought maybe they know something I don't and. Maybe they did. But things turned pretty much how how I think a lot of us feared they would. But I didn't expect it to be a couple of days before the tournament starts and. Reducing from five, thousand, one thousand, and even then not really knowing whether they were going to have to have anybody on site and I can only imagine the. Logistical nightmare status cost them, and the the disappointment that is caused. So many people who would have had the hopes of have been Outta go to this tournaments I hope they can have to one thousand fans on Chateau because what we saw in Rome is that it does make a difference it does make a difference to the experience to the the atmosphere. I foremost let's just hope that nobody gets infected that he's coming to watch that they don't have further problem in they're on more cases of ill health, but it's it doesn't feel. Very. Comfortable to have watched this you described it. Stands beneath the feet of grandson tournament with with just days to spare, and they could very easily found themselves in a position of having five thousand fans onsite next week, and then the announcement happening this is happening. France White, and then position with there being. So not ideal not ideal. Yeah I mean I. Hope I think that they are able to have the thousand found safely because exactly as you say, I think prior to Rome and these last couple of days a very informative. So. Difference does it make? It's it's a drop in the ocean, but actually it made an enormous difference in rhyme. Really. Really emotional difference actually talked about on our last podcast. So I hate that they're able to have that I do that the way the last few days if played out has made me concerned generally about the decision making. On about the slightly cavalier attitude to the whole thing I mean. Yeah I. I sort of admire his optimism and confidence but some of the things that Bush was saying is today. Seemed pretty out of out tune. with. With the with the pitch of where this pandemic is. At the moment you know even with the thousand pounds per day statistically, it is almost certain that people with coronavirus either ACM to even assuming everybody that symptomatic stays at home statistically all my certain that. People with a symmetrical pre-symptomatic virus will be going to the French. Open. And yet I realized the the socially distanced inside the stadium. But what about keeping it the turn to get in and stuff that can be with the increased security measures? They've had it Roland Garros for the past couple of years that's been an absolute nightmare. Some of the the crushes frankly you can get the turnstiles to get in case is going to be massively reduced but I just. Until. I actually see that happening safely. And cautiously. I quite be reassured. About the situation the whole way the last few days if panned out hasn't really provided much reassurance and that's including. There was no official statement or information coming from Russia. So the French tennis federation last when the situation was so confused and it wasn't helped by the as you said, the French prime minister going on French television and just further complicating everything I mean we're extrordinary. Yeah I mean we've heard that before. Prime Minister Confuses things further. I mean that that was the situation. As you said, he was saying that the the one thousand people would would include everyone well. That line was calling into question whether the tournament could even ahead because content Moynihan who is the journalist keep was is saying that four thousand people are credited at the French Open when you include the staff and the players and the coaches and everyone everyone involved in running that event so. There was no way. They could have just done it with one thousand whatsoever, and then to not have any kind of clarification about the situation for. I mean for hours. We think we know because lucky proposing is is accurate but I just I don't understand how that has been allowed to happen with just forty hours before the event even starting and as you say, it doesn't It doesn't bode well for the rest of the event and also the kind of measures and the. Just how much cad taking generally it just it just leaves a they concerning. Aftertaste I think. Yeah. French Open safe anxiety. Drip rap anxiety and. Too Much Caffeine. It's It's a toxic combination. Fewer bits to wrap up for you in tennis news. From this week, we wanted to mention Liam Brady qualifying for the French Open because he was somebody that we had a guest on right at the start of our lockdown podcast David, you spoke to him He spoke so well about the situation that Tennessee's hiatus had put. Him, in an plays like him and as much as he talked about the fact that he didn't play for the money. He said I would play this spot for Free I do play this sport for free it is. It is incredibly gratifying an heartwarming to see him having persevered three that time and uncertainty, and be having this payoff by results wise and financially sixty thousand euros. He's guaranteed now and as much. That's not what he's playing for. It is massively significant to his. Ability to continue doing what he so clearly loves doing Yeah I felt quite emotional when we did that interview when I listened back to his words and Hamid, she's just in love with the sport of tennis that He. Isn't making a wasn't making much money. In fact, he was probably losing money overall, but he loves it so much. He can't imagine not pushing his body to the limit and trying to get the very most out of it in tennis terms, and there are so many people around the world playing professional tennis trying to make a career out of professional tennis because of the share lovers the game. Yes. If they can make the rich is all worth it financially but for many they never make it and and I love to see these stories of of Plas- coming through qualifying I think qualifying in itself is it's a whole tournament and It's not a story that is told well enough and I think. That includes US sometimes, we you could. You could just tell a whole. PODCAST series out of what comes out of qualifying these people who just try to get through those rounds. But you saw him on his back in the clay having qualified for his first ever Grand Slam tournament main draw. Having not been given a wildcard like he would do Wimbledon and it just means the world means can extend his career. It can make all the difference in who knows maybe he's got further to go in this French Open but good for Liam Brady. I think Matt Davies. Subtly proposed Gram Slam qualifying daily PODCASTS, the ground. Yeah. You've really isn't. David's. In the future. I mean yeah. Wasn't the plan to fit in some relief shows qualifying week in in future slams I mean that's going to be a month a month long now a week relief the week of qualifying to weeks of the tournament. All, you can eat from posing daily leave a cup podcasts in twenty twenty, two David when that event comes to London's O two arena because that's what's been announced today. You're well probably. I mean, I. I think it's wonderful to think of that's on the horizon and I probably had the pandemic not taking place. I probably would have thought Oh that starts going to be really popular and that will be a good. Jazz events at the two and it will be great fun and we'll probably enjoy it but not maybe take it very seriously and and I'm still not convinced be hanging on every result that goes on because I. I still think he has a credibility problem in at some level but oh, my word, just the thought of it two years from now packing out the owner if we can get to that stage given. Killing me what the last six months be like an I also think it did occur to me today that this being the last year, the two will stage the finals and those ATP finals are lot needs to be in a deserted two arena i. find that really sad thought obviously, there are many of them at the moment but because this is the last one at the two and it has been such a success I, find that really really sad thoughts and it does help to note to know that that isn't going to be the last tennis. The arena will stage because he is a wonderful tennis and sporting arena that they've created there. And actually the Labor. Cup. I think suits it perfectly. It's. It's it'll be really special events they now. An The renew is still a going concern. In September twenty, twenty two there was a lot of stuff on the British. News yesterday and last night about. What what dire straits there in really. G G to the fact that most. Arena based employees show based in please of freelance they're they're not covered by the latest. Job Retention Scheme that's that's been announced. So. Yeah. It's certainly hope that that they're still a going concern and I agree having little. Tiny little. Boat bobbing around on the horizon is. Is, very tantalizing thought an feels. Jinx it, but it feels just far away enough that it's it's okay to to to hope for it. And also just in terms of. My relationship with the Labour Cup I feel exactly the same Z. David. We've talked about it at length and I probably. Would for various reasons, wouldn't have ended up traveling to one in in the near future. But the fact that it's here and I'm sure covered the cost and he knows how else any vissel end up covering it, but I will almost certainly go. And I welcome the opportunity to experience it firsthand because everybody that has been does seem to say something that you need to to experience I also like the fact that they are putting their flag down immediately for two years away and saying we are GonNa, we plan to be there and I I really appreciate that as somebody who cares about the sport for start somebody who has that four sight of what they intend to do? If if you if you say, you're going to be there you you've got more chance of being there I feel and also I think an event like that the only way I ever reached the credibility that I'm talking about and I still don't whether it's possible with the rest of the world element anyway can do is by continually proving itself continually staging itself and fairplay to them. They are down not being deterred by the pandemic by anything they just believe in their product and they go in for it. So theft to them. A bit I agree with you, I would say. It helps when you got money. Because he says a lot of. Lot of events that believe in their product in would love to be going for it but that can cause financially then able to A few other bits and bobs right up there. A couple of tournament results that we didn't bring you last week is quite frankly they completely passed his by evidence that took place in the second week if the US Open and we're all very anxious about bringing one of them because apparently all pronouncing kitsch bill wrong. Lovely Listener Hannah's is telling us that he gets things -iety whenever he hears US talking about bill and we've we've all watched several videos news. This morning and in all of all of them, even by native speakers full pronounce differently. So we're we're still pronouncing it wrong and where now very very anxious confused about exactly how we're pronouncing it. Wrong. There's some suggestion that kitsch boohoo like to kitch. KITCH BOO KITSCH WHO. Anyway they go. Kitsch Kipahulu. happened in the second week of the US Open and Dominic team didn't play it which is why rather posts everybody by that mimic which one it me sure. I. Think a lot of people call them Michigan Man of it she was. One of those players really being talked about sort of year or two ago. You had a good run Indian Wells? Last year former junior number-one one. To be interesting to see how he gets on in that, he comes men in the final and in Istanbul Patricia Murthy. Beach Jeannie Bouchard seven six in the third. To win that title showed Hattab that was one of the few epic she played that week she beats netserver. Also, some six third. was. He was seven, six, six, seven, six, two, but. As a first-round Grand Slam, champion against to a Grand Slam finalist and. She's out so many wilderness she is now boo shot at it almost become a a running joke that she didn't feel like a tennis player anymore, but she has kept plugging away and gone down to lower levels plays that during the week two of the gets the final good for her you know it'd be great if she could. Become a relevant feature of of the tennis sane again. Before around up a bit of of the of Court News, you've put Casper rude on the agenda up see no explanation. What would you like say about Casper Rude I just felt like on this is as much. My fault as anybody that we just didn't talk about him in the room review we we we talked. About him in passing actually he wasn't just a playa beaten by a remember who paid him now I think it was joke of it. But he's his results on the way to that were significant, and in fact, his year as a whole has been significant I mean. This is a guy who was knocking around the hundreds in the world for a couple years without making really any progress he had. The the only thing I really took notice of him before this year was the fact that he had a row with Nick Carols. That's about it I. Think he wasn't the wasn't the I can't remember exactly what it was, but he lost his marbles one time I. Wasn't that in Rome was it was he the? Curious through the. Nameless jails Peru criticized afterwards in the press and then curious. How dare anybody criticize me decided to have a pop on twitter and. I quote light for Star Club. The fact that route stood up to him I quite enjoyed that and his tenors this year has been really significant. He I understand he's. He's played apprentice loss at the Wrath on the Don Academy and appears to have developed quite a style whether it's out of founded on academy whether he took his style there and because it fitted in but he's got a heavy four, hundred loads and loads of Topspin. He seems to be a real grinder and he's having some notable results and he even has a skyhook overhead smash, which is a little light and use this as well. So I just I mean I always I still writers name down as Christine route every time I think of him I write down Christian route because that's his dad was a top fifty odd player back when I was. On the tore in the ninety S. Casper. The friendly ghost files. A generational. Difference just just while we're on it, I, don't I don't. which to bring this up, but you keep spending casper wrong as it. How is it smelt? C. A. S. P. E. R. Used I'm sure I'm spent spelling Aarp because I'm sure that it's not that the ghost. It turns out. It tends entities. And also having. Nice way during that. Definitely all was the best way. He was having really good results, pre lockdown I think he won a title and he reached another final on the clay. So I felt really sorry for those players at all that momentum detailed at that time of season. So these kept going and seems to perhaps even be a better plan now is is a testament as you said, David to that work he did during lockdown period and he is he certainly one to watch at the French Open and I think mentioned teams tough tour I. Think He's in team section I think possibly in round three would play. So that would definitely be a match to circle and. As soon as you mentioned that matter of been. Cataldo. The first thing that popped into my head was wears Jennifer Brady and the drawer. That's suddenly what I thought of and I've just found. The Section Show Michigan go to qualify in the first round, but I'm really interested to see what she's like on on clay. Yes agreed we have had an article today a- page or front page of the sports. Section is that saw the Telegraph? Do it from some brags about doping testing tennis the term period and how it's all but fallen by the wayside? Speaking various various places over the course of. Couse last couple of weeks struve Kei Nishikori in comparing numbers relative numbers. If testing in its unite, it's dropped off exponentially. None of that is specific evidence anybody his boats upon doping over the course of lockdown just that if anybody had felt so inclined, it would have been. An easier to d say and an awful lot less likely that they would have been detected, which statistically me me would suggest that. People will have done it. That's why we have laws in deterrence isn't it because? If if he. If he if Not everybody will behave according to the moral code that we might all like. So it worries me. Pleases Me Simon's look into it and and drawing attention to exit something that's been occurring to me a lot because I'm a terrible terrible cynic. I've been kind of watching out for plays coming back from lockdown looking sort of suspiciously fitter, physically different and plays with suspiciously more. Than they had six months ago. Not Not from Daping perspective. From a head transplant perspective. Yes Oh, look there's no. Ms Nice specific evidence of anybody having embarked upon a big cool of. Doping. But the raw the makes me as the cynical I think that probably some people have so. I hope that they're able to to step up and get back to pre. Lockdown levels of deep testing. I don't know what the distancing and restrictions on onsite numbers prevent not being the case. I'm sure this won't be the end of it for facilitate his his reporting on all I've. Felt. Like an important piece of them I'm I'm I was pleased to sit while she served and whether or not. There are actually flyers taking advantage of the situation or not. There's no point in having a doping anti-doping system unless it is a did to run vigorously. Of. The circumstances that I do sympathize with what must be very challenging circumstances right now but. It's important. It mustn't be forgotten. So I, agree good. Good. For Simon. Last couple of bits of business. I appealed on the last podcast for submissions and candidates to our bonus pool French Open mascots, and it to say I mean, my expectations were high because tennis podcast pets has been one of the the great triumphs of my life if the paused fee is a but I have nonetheless been completely overwhelmed. You will be hearing more about however welcomed untouched and delighted I've been On feature podcasts and on mascot specific content that I intend to produce I'll save it for for that because. The entries still open until midnight tonight as we record Friday. Ob Making my decision tomorrow, but I had gone into this expecting to make a decision on my favorite but. That is that is just not going to be possible because my got his chosen Futi, seven winners so far. when people We've received three different photos of dogs in bow ties. How worth my suitcase to choose the best dog in a bow tie it is not possible So I, AM company devising some. Criteria. An. Unofficial. Kind of. Selection Process say more of that over the coming more on that over the coming days and our final business is about. Your submissions for non gender for Alexander's which. Ding Ding Ding Patriarchy news is actually really really really hard because all the words that mean the thing that we're trying to express agenda. we had Jim worth I'm submit peacocking. which on the face of it sounds like a really good submission is a great word. Thank you. John but actually peacocking, it's to peacock is just about the most gender age. A verb as there is because a peacock like a peacock is an explicitly male animal and it's a it's a perfect example of the male being the. Considered. The neutral in default took is actually. P Foul is the. Greek term for male female. P Foul and pin is the female equivalent and the P. Hens don't have the really fancy feathers so they don't do this specific active peacocking. So eight is about his gender, a term as they come, but I titled Understand why that was submitted because there are so few options. In fact, I'm not even sure there is a perfect option because. We live in a patriarchal thought some submissions they're. Gay for it up. All these people are now quaking. Regretting sending in. non-replies when I asked for an gender words to describe Alexander's off court and three of the leaders appear to well, they will begin with B. Brazen gets a lot of votes. Braxton. Gets coiffier. Bolshie is also used. Yet. Brash I would say a makes me think of sort of loud and crass. So, preps eliminate Brash. But I personally have. I think. The one submitted by Richard Livings, which is Charlie big potatoes. gendered. What do you think the potatoes? A Metaphor for David? that. You hadn't thought of that. Just. The person of any gender just got really baked potatoes that they're going to. Boil in. Mash. Anything to add that before I wrap up this quickly derailing night train i. Say the problem with this situation. We've been tennis. T. We'll be back on Sunday with our first daily friendship parts of Fifth Grand Slam dailies of the we can't wait. The if you're listening to some Friday, you've gotten to midnight to send in your tennis podcast pet submission. For Friendship and Mascot, they've been an obsolete delight. Please you. You've you've made my week possibly made my year I. Know it's a low bar but. This this. Competitions possibly been the highlight of my twenty twenty. So thanks for listening. We'll see Sunday.

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Olympics Re-Lived: 2016 Rio

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Olympics Re-Lived: 2016 Rio

"Hi. This is Marion Bartoli Mats Wilander. This is Mary Carillo I'm son Rohingya an Lleyton Hewitt I'm Andy Murray. This is Yannick Noah, and you're listening to the tennis podcast. Hello. And welcome one last time to the tennis podcasts Olympics relived. If it sounds like crying, it's probably because I am crying not yet. But but you know I'm anticipating possibly crying some states I can't believe we've relived the Olympics and it's nearing the end is nigh. David I've loved it. I've loved it so much. Is that clear? I in evidence. Grows Grocery mcgann. relived. We can relive the podcasts about the Olympics. Oh. Do you remember when Matt said that? We'll do that in ten years right okay. Deal, and hopefully we'll have another couple of Olympics to relive at that point. But who knows this stage? Will be doing a little look ahead at the end of this podcast to take a twenty twenty one what we assume mookie Tokyo, twenty twenty one. But of course, there are absolutely no guarantees at the moment. Which is why focusing on the past? Because it's a play certainty insecurity where we know what's going to happen and Rio de Janeiro 2016 only four years ago but it's still kind of like we were saying. London feels like a slightly different time doesn't it? Still at name? It's it's in Sepia in my memory somehow despite any being four years ago. Yeah. Cranky that that really hits me thinking about it in those terms. And actually when you when we start watching these. These storylines I do kind of get lost in time a bit, and I think partly because some of these plans that we've been covering their careers a so long now graph on the Dow winning in Beijing in two thousand eight. I kind of almost get mixed up between that one him playing in two thousand sixteen and that in two thousand sixteen he won the doubles didn't say. Pets. And I kind of get confused about what he did win and it's the sheer longevity of these guys career. And I think I've heard the the great. American sports writer, right. Thompson said I said this year that sport. Marks the passage of time and everyone has their own personal experience often Olympics as well, and it can. It can feel that way you were was four years ago like like for me Rio marked. sightly strange time in my life where was my year ruled out saving in France and I remember the real Olympics being very, very grounding for me. It was it was something that. was kind of two weeks of familiarity away in a uncertain time. So. I look back on it with huge hugely for memories as real Olympics because they were kind of helpful. Personally, I, mean, not not that helpful because I was having to stay up in the middle of the night, watching it and then go to work I. Had I had a nine to five job. In France and that was I mean that was a struggle to In itself but particularly when I stayed up until three or four in the morning watching Watching the Olympics. But yeah, I, think just it's as much as we can relive the sports I think the secondary effect of reliving is that you end up kind of reliving your own life in a way home. For Rio Twenty sixteen seventy for the first few days I was in San, Diego on holiday. I had just worked at the. Most event in Toronto and friend and I decided to tag on week in San Diego after it's because I'd never been there before and I thought fine be on the same time is really pretty much closer times ain't nothing was in ROTC difference. So be able to basically what envisaged was lying to be slashed being in a bar with cocktail with the Olympics on a device great living the dream calf well done. What. Would actually happen emerged very a very good friend who was on holiday with we are still good friends but I'll compatibility is holiday companions. Emerged not to be necessarily that great quite early on because. She really likes. Organized activity based fun. And I like. I like sitting. Sitting and watching and lying and being I mean I do like I'd like you city breaking stuff as well. As, far as I was concerned, this holiday was lying on a beach in a coma. And We went to we both but both went to a beach and we serve towels down lay down. Put my phone's in and after three minutes, they could tap on the shoulder. Join go kayaking. No, absolutely. Don't. Anyway, anyway. So Olympics opening ceremony day comes around. I think, right. Just go to pick. Pick all the balls will be showing it. So I've just got to pick the best bar. That's my only job for today to pick the best the optimal bar for watching the opening ceremony. Now I'm sure every US listener right now is screaming at me that there's a floor in this plan but I-. unbeknownst to me that was a major floor in the plan, but I had no, no idea it and that is the west coast. The West Coast of America. Put I didn't know how to express this. They play things on tape. If something is looking at. I'm not explaining this very well. So if something is happening at five PM. Live at five PM and America's east. coast. And that would be one PM America's west coast rather than them just playing them both out live at. Relatively different times. The West Coast will wait until five PM. And play the live thing out on a four hour delay. which in the year, two, thousand, twenty or twenty sixteen as it was then feels utterly bananas to me. So I could not find a single ball showing the Olympics because it wasn't on the tally live. In San Diego, they were like, Oh, NBC plan that later. But it's happening now. Okay but we'll be showing it later irrelevant it's happening now. Anyway. ENDED UP WATCHING? On. My phone. Using, VPN I pay through the nose for on the BBC coverage had lovely Edwards in my ear and my friend went and spent the day with a family friend elsewhere. We were going this. We're GONNA make this one shorter. Weren't we? Didn't know that about the western East Coast I've always felt like being whenever I've been in America. It's always felt like when you wake up in the morning you are trying to catch up but it sounds like even when you're in America, you're having to catch up. If you live on the west coast. But do they do they? I'm no and I it was. It was harrowing. It was really. Harrowing. Yeah. This has been a useful process. Through on the tennis PODCAST CATHERINE? We've relived your angst filled day that was supposed to be relaxing with a friend that no longer things. Your great companion on the holiday we've just we discussed. It was pretty clear. A she went off did Organiz canoe trips and a ball. Fine. Everyone's a winner. The other thing is the the opening ceremony and I know it was a tough to follow and I know budget was initially food for we. I'm not having a go here You know it's not as it's not wealthier countries other Olympic as nations but it was an underwhelming opening ceremony I. Remember it was just sort of some fireworks and then she's L. Walk down a catwalk. That's is what I remember. I'm not sure I've ever seen the reopening ceremony I. Don't think I saw live. I'm not I'm not big on the opening ceremonies. You all think I didn't think like was until London twenty. When you know that was two hours that changed my life and I, say expectations were high for Rio. And they weren't quite met. I mean. If you consider than the first nine minutes this podcast I've already been interrupted by my son twice left the door open enough to walk off and going close it. You can imagine what it was like four years ago two of them run around and. In my enjoyment of the Olympics. I don't remember much about. Refresh your memory about what was happening outside of tennis to start with we'll goethe and rugby appeared at the Games after one hundred, twelve, ninety, two years respectively to transgender athletes competed the names and nationalities were not revealed to. Thirty two tons of dead fish were removed from the rowing and canoeing lagoon before the activities took place. Three teaspoons of water from Guanabara Bay the sailing venue is the amount that could be solid before leading to illness. Yeah contaminated waters a bit of a theme. Then the diving pogo. Green it did go green. Yes. In better news you sane bolt achieved the triple triple. The color of the water the Maria Link Aquatic. Center became a major talking point after it turned from blue to murky green overnight. Games organizers blamed chemical levels in the water and it was apparently completely harmless, but it did look revolting just diving into it look even more. Unappealing than already. Egyptian Islam Elche Hobby caused controversy when he refused to shake the hand of Israeli opponent soon after losing in the men's Judeh. Hobby was roundly booed by the crowd latest sent home from. The IC committee said because that's very much not in the Olympic spirit a nation gasped when he tripped and fell. But despite taking a mid race tumblr Britain's Mo Farah became the first British track and field our field athlete to win three Olympic gold medals he retained his ten thousand meter title with a thrilling victory he went onto also in the five thousand meters and complete the double double Chinese diver hazy had just collected. Medellin at three women springboard final when her fellow Daiva King Kawhi and to the podium presentation he judy down on one knee produced an engagement ring and proposed she said, yes. I'm not a fan of public proposals, but I'm sure there are people out there that think that's lovely. One of. One of the most bizarre stories for me involved I remember this involved American Gold medal-winning swimmers and a petrol station. Do you remember this? Oh Ryan Lockton. Yes. Like a front boy. Calamity Story Brian the Jimmy Fagin and Jack conger became embroiled in international scandal over made up robbery. The foursome is alleged they've been held at gunpoint while buying petrol it later merged. This was not tree and they'd fund lies the carriage on the way home from a night of celebrations. Is is vandalizing petrol station, a form of celebration. I mean all I think in front boy land I. Think it's Post Beers which are yeah. Form of celebration saying it's what I do for Fun David as we've established I sit and watch and I'm in a coma for fun but Yeah I can imagine in that suit of Freddie joke scenario is like bookstore smashing up a hotel room isn't it? It's the same vibe I. Think. I didn't necessarily think is relatable feel Ri- You. Come cause for. Anyway in the. Tennis. Big changes that ranking points but not awarded as they had been previously caroline wozniacki rough on an Andy. Murray will flag Barry's for the nation's I remember tennis being really well represented flagbearer wise that opening ceremony you had Caroliina puskas Simona Halep Thomas Berbick, and meals row niche. Who would the seeded players withdrew due to concerns over the ZEKE OF IRIS Recordings Baron campus who will remember from Goldeneye when asked if he was my girlfriend fame? He became the first ever Lou Lithuanian player to compete in the Olympics but he was double Bagel by John Millman in round one. So real mixed bag of experiences for Cardis, Catherine sends a message on our WHATSAPP group saying I've done the. Rio Research I went to have a look at it line Ricardo's brand kissed double bag. Well he essentially double Bagel me. I was the biggest mistake he ever made. What goes around comes. CATIS. And if you this is one of the whig stories, Ben pair was kicked off the French team after his loss to Fabio Fanini in the second round. For quote, flouting numerous rules team direct to honor depot squall said, you cannot flout the rules and the Jersey like this. I asked him to pack his bags to do what he wants to do outside if desired this is intolerable unacceptable. He was warned several times it was coming to him. Ben mopeds said now I know how the Olympics? I'm happy to leave. and imagine out rule breaking Fabio seen. No IT WASN'T COURT RULE BREAKING They were very they never said what the specifics of the rule breaking was, but it was a believe of. Rule breaking I would love to see a match between those two in which they both started to turn into their. Alter. Egos I'm sure that might happen for me in the future. If if it's ever on the schedule, make sure you alert me and I will organize my day like that day that at the Australian Open when. Danielle Collins. Yulia pretense of faced off, and we missed it met or didn't you see the latter stages? No. One of our big regrets from the trading open. Isn't it missing missing bat? I think that was an evening where I was just sort of running between Co. yes. It was on that day off to all the rain when those too much tennis I remember putting gets on the other monitor in the five live Coventry box while I was supposed to become inciting on a match in front of you and nobody could understand why I kept looking distracted and. Seem to have lots of information about a match that nobody now audiences interested I seem to remember it being slightly agro disappointing. There was a I. think there was. No I think it was pretty accurate tastic at the end. Yeah. But I think before that it was this thing the. Ankara. tastic. In terms of the tennis the women's both competitions. All competitions were were really memorable in Rio. In the women's Serena Williams across the defendant defending champion I mean I recall being she she never put her loss down to this. She was very magnanimous in defeat leanness Selena the first ever in her career but she was clearly struggling with shoulder injury are remember remember her serve being massively suppo-. In that tournament never really looked likely that she was going to defend the Olympic gold. and of course, that and a few other upsets most of them. Most of them but some of them caused by the lady herself Monica. Peak paved the way for one of the most romantic surprising uplifting. I mean not Physi- Fernandez obviously but. Stories in Olympic tennis history and that is Monaco pick becoming the first. Puerto, Rican, ever representing Porto Rico. To. Win An Olympic gold medal I mean talk about. Against the old she wasn't she wasn't a nobody she was ranked thirty four. But she was unseeded. She don't he ever beaten one top ten player in her career before the tournament and I'm not year to in Rio. incl-. Go beanie mcgary -ther Angelique. Kerber in the final of Khushi be Patrick Vista, the two-time Wimbledon champion. In the semifinals as well talk about. Olympic inspiration something came over Monica Puig. That week and. She hasn't recaptured it since she hadn't created it before it was just. It was like a magic spell that that was caused upon her and she calls upon. The tennis venue that week yeah. I would say might be the most extreme example of that. As the loss I think Nicolas Massu is certainly one but he was at the time a top twenty player and and knock on the door of of having a big result at some point and that ended up being his. But. Yeah you could have gone through the whole droll and offered me. Pretty much anybody and I wouldn't have put puig ahead of many people in the drawers plays that I would pick to go all the way and. Also when you watch some of those matches, the tennis she was playing in the spirit she showed to to come through difficult moments and even even in the final against Angelique Kerber when she's She looks like she's going to win it in straight sets and then it goes three and then she goes five love up and then the last two games seem to just take forever. I mean she she gets broken back once and then she's she's trying to get over the line and she has four and they flash it up on the screen gold medal point. I mean, that has something a bit extra on it doesn't it and and she has four. Those Kerber has six break back points. And it just seems to go you wondering. Is Point where we've seen in the past where in PLA- just. Can't play tennis anymore under those circumstances. We we saw it with Nevada the speed with which it went against her in ninety-three when we re living that that Wimbledon and with a within a flashy know that massive lead she had. Gone and I did it went through my mind even watching it back. We sure she wins this because I mean she looks like she's GonNa Struggle to get the serve over the net in a minute but she just held holds wins it and the look on her face. This does one moment that stays with me when she receives the mental. And she holds it in the palm of her hand while it's around next, just just the medal and looks down it's it. On her face just crumples in in tears emotion because she's looking for the first time at the gold, she has just one. Oh it was something else. And Even the moment when when she finally once she drops a racket. and. It's sexual release for her because I think of her as quite an emotional player but I may be i. have that image in my mind because solely of that moment because it's so defining of her career, but actually I was watching some of the. Some of the highlights like you David for most of the match she's so focused. So concentrated, she's in this bubble she's hitting to hitting through the nerves that she might be feeling. and. She isn't that sort of outward with her emotions and then it all just pulls out of her and this one great big release when she finally wins and I mean that's not forget curb in two thousand sixteen was tough as nails and you know she'd already won the Australian Open beating in the final she'd had a great performance in the Wimbledon final against Serena. She took some beating actually curb and Monica. PUIG. Had to go out there and I think she hit over fifty winners in the final fifty, four winners I mean talk about someone. Just, rising to an occasion and in posing her own game on the match and and literally you can you kind of think of this medal is kind of dangling there and she went out there and grabbed it. She also married the power with consistency are now just because it's going to be another. Story here. You're not. You're not gonNA be able to just blast your way through. Kerber. Would one shot knockout power are you you have to come up with combinations because of her ability to absorb power and notice the number rallies where she's hitting full velocity middled backhands cross-court into the corner and it comes back and then she's got to do it again and she was still winning around that way I. Mean if you could bottle the the form she found that week and produce it. Half a dozen times a year you'd be looking at multiple Grand Slam champion and yet she has never a reached a grand slam quarterfinal still. You know. Of course, we've seen that what she's capable of she's just been unable to to produce it not even consistent. She's not been able to produce it again but. She will always have that Olympics. There's plenty of career ahead of her who knows what will happen in the future, but she will always have Olympic gold with is obviously still something that she she thinks about often and she has to. Because presumably of how often she's asked about it and I I spoke to it. This was a few months ago. Now, she this is one of the first interviews we did for for Olympics we lived. For tennis relived. That I started off by asking her. Exactly how often and how how frequently income sation that an MP gold comes up? Every single conversation because there was the most surreal moment I've ever have in my career and just something coming about bags just who I mean I was reading four in the world at the time I am. Not a favorite all when it comes you. Best, and then all of a sudden, just walking away with the gold all your dislike I rifles change and enhance change for the better for sure. Does it still feels surreal when you think back to that week. Yeah I mean, I looked with gold medal. Sometimes, I'm like And it's nice. I drive better was awesome as possible to try and be rid those memories. I watched the final several times I still get nervous even going on the outcome enhancer sweating in just watching it my heart rate sites and it's just all that adrenaline. All the emotions are trying to relive the moment and trying to just remember the sensation Burbank your body time, but almost impossible to replicate would you keep the metal? Here Trans South of as you can see, they're they're very proud. They have all my brother, my accomplishments up on their on their walls. To here, I really very safe and I just like year. My parents were such a huge part of the process of me becoming Ymca that it's something that I definitely want to share with them every smoke. You see the first gold medalist from your country, the first female list of of any kind I I read some stuff about just the significance of that moment in your country the fact there was no crime that day the streets were not everybody was watching you. Can you try and sum up what that victory meant feel country sort of what you've learned about that over the post she is. Everything and Most. Impressive thing for me was just watching the videos of the people after I had initially gotten a medal and I was able to of light wind down and I. got my real at midnight that night. Responding to all the messages of everybody who congratulations, and then just watching the reactions of people worry go and just how excited they weren't how alive with emotion. Just leave me experienced the Max was. Really cool and being able to go to Puerto Rico maybe a week later. With everybody just seeing how much it really makes them. I think that Oregon's from such a small island. Want the world to know where reporter Rico is that who we are as people redundantly, very bubbly, very kind of generous people If you go to Puerto Rico and you're GonNa, feel your family and that's that's just what it is and I'm very proud my roots. Products of Gables. So Is it correct that you asked about being the flag bearer for a fit Tokyo in two thousand sixteen. I have officially been asked. It's a request that I would put in for sure because I remember for the real. Olympics. Are Flying, barrier was our judo. Silver medallist in the London Olympics and just see how excited he was to carry out the flag. Regan's were very patriotic and that would just be a surreal experience I. Think. I would probably cry walking out into Olympic ceremony opening ceremonies during the life. Experiences walking out in that stadium people cheering just being able to see all the athletes bear as one of. Their insane in. It's just it gives me goosebumps because I just kind of remember. Walking out into the Olympic Stadium in Rio in just white while. Is that feeling positive would inspire g to play the kind of tennis that you play. 'cause you just was gutsy just went for everything and it was like you couldn't miss. It was like you inspired by something. I honestly don't know what came over me that we hours enjoying my time there. I. Mean I didn't put any pressure on myself to win I obviously. Didn't count myself as a favorite in any way. and I think. It was just that disconnect of. Not. Really. Any pressure on myself to win and just enjoying every single moment that I was out there. Because I never knew if I was going to be able to continue to end Europe is again mean you saw what happened is you're wrong. Everything is suddenly suspended. So I was like, okay this is the less Olympic Games that I've ever GONNA play. I'M NOT GONNA be here eight life like I wanNA live up experienced soak it all in and just see like I'm Olympia and that was good enough for me. And I think that. All, the pressure off my shoulders and I was able to. Do, what I do best. Lay and just. Before that tournament because there is still for whatever reason, there is still some debate about tennis in the Olympics, whether it's the pinnacle of the sport what that means for the Olympic Movement, etc four that we can twenty sixteen where would you have ranked the Olympics in terms of importance or significance fee? PERMEATES number one I I put it a grand slam because it's still rare. I mean it's one separate four years we have the opportunity to win over in Fort Times every year. To win something that rare and to be in that group of people have an Olympic medal it's huge and you just see. All the athletes I mean when I won my medal the next day I had to do press the I to walk. To My van outside of the village and I was walking with a metal and all the athletes are just like steering this thing just hungry for it. And it's just something that you can't take away from any. Olivia. Having a metal who's that's that's what they're there for and. The fact that I walked away with the gold medal, which is the. Biggest thing ever of was just amazing and definitely for me I would love to win Grand Slams and all of that. But. That was the best thing that ever happened my life. I will be so happy says just the joy in the motion of the moment and not just for me but curry goat it was. Given. And unique that experiences. Was it difficult a tool to go back to the grind of the tool. The we can. We can it was. It was very tough. Was I asked a lot I? Mean a lot of people ask me after So what are you? GonNa do. Now I said we'll end up to get its work needs to go back to the US Open enough weeks you're like you're not John. I said now this Taran after turn to tournament. So I mean, it was a tough adjustment period because this biggest thing I've ever done so having to deal with the media and I don't remedial before but this was like double the media that I've ever. In able to doing in my career more interviews more talk shows going to meet with important. Just being in Puerto Rico, and all the difference that I needed to do overshoots of. Her Mersal everything it was exhausting really hard to make that adjustment at then obviously trying to. Practice. In their giant shift the focus back to being locked in it was very difficult and I just think that. No I'm glad that that experience you my way at once. So I learn something else happened like this. One day I can win a grand frown and then he's like east happening. Again I think I know how to manage that situation. A little bit better I'm team knows how to deal with it a little bit better. We've all gotten smarter. On how to do things but it's an experience that you just can't rewrite. You know it was chaotic and it was crazy you just like here there everywhere. Owes experiences definitely even impact from a harvey your in your mind like, wow, that was that was crazy. Now should say that the time that I did interview I wasn't aware if G and unders story. So I didn't I didn't put that to her and oversee. I I regret that now and I I wish I could ask her her feelings on that. Also wasn't in the swing of Olympics interview. So I didn't ask her where she stayed in the village I seemed she did but I didn't i. I've enjoyed getting the Olympic Village Gos-. From people but hey, still really nice to hear her recollections and another thing I found out recently about Monica Puig is the dog is cooed Rio. strongly. Approve. I mean that's just shows I suppose. How much she thinks about this as you said, this moment in time. In her career, but I think she's also talked about how? As you said that you started the interview how she does have to talk about this a lot and that must be, yes a reminder of what she cheap but also a reminder of the hasn't. Done it again, old done anything of sex significant since I think she she spoken about feeling feeding quite I think in the years after the Olympics and. Not Having not focal point in her life going right from the top to the bottom this kind of whiplash. She used to describe it and. I can imagine that it's been a struggle to find the Dr again after after an experience like that because it's not it wasn't just. Winning the Olympics as she talked about that was it was so much more important for. Country than winning. The MELANIA impacts might have been other. Tennis players who have had their one moment at the Olympics. This was this was not only a big deal for her and also massive massive deal for country, and I think I think as as great as that was i. i get the sense also slightly weighed on her One of the one of the other questions that Catherine asked to the we didn't feature because the answer didn't reveal that much was. You go onto the court now and try to recant you what you felt there in order to play that. SORTA. Tennis again, and I've had people ask that of impulse of the Gulf whether he can grasp what he doesn't the Ryder Cup. At the major tournaments which he's never won he's been this incredible Ryder Cup plan and he he has tried to do that and not really managed to succeed and she says I know I don't I mean every week different and I just I guess she just maybe you just cons maybe it's not possible in just on the subject to the the representing Puerto. Rica thing which I you know I I all stood up about the importance of that too but I didn't disease even under stuff. Zhijie, Fernandez she was she was very generous towards Monica. We saw a personal thing but she will say did kind of say look if if we are getting down to the nuts and bolts of it, I am more Puerto. Rican than. So I just wanted to read out these quotes from from on presenting Puerto Rico. She said I've always been one hundred percent loyal. I still have family in Puerto Rico and I've gone back quite slow. It's my favorite place to go when I just want to go to the beach or just see family that island who's given me so much so much love and support throughout my whole career and I just oh, this to them. So. It mental to her achieving that for for country evenly she she she doesn't live there and she she lives in the states unconscious as. I was discussing Reggie finances. You can. You can be more than one thing nationality isn't necessarily binary. Say. it was an extraordinarily. Romantic Week and story for from one week and Poetry K. in the doubles the women's Dole Serena and Venus Williams with the two time defending champions and number one seeds but they lost in the first round to lease see over. Bob Streets of that ended a fifteen match winning streak in women's doubles the Olympics for the Williams sisters and it was the first ever lost together. Olympic competition that start is ridiculous it ended up being a Russian Jew Katrina Marcus Mariota and Elena Vezina r.i.p to that partnership it didn't end well. That won the gold medal. They defeated Basinski and Hingis six, four, six, four in the finals and Hingis had been going for the career Golden Slam in doubles so that must have been heartbreaking for her but I remember Makarova's Nina's split shortly after that goal. Didn't they? They've such successful pairing And ended in again I. Didn't quite know the circumstances, but it didn't seem to be a didn't seem to be conscious uncoupling. So moving onto the men's events which saw Andy Murray become the first ever man or woman to defend an Olympic title he defeated one Indo portray who was then ranked one, hundred, forty one in the world after having a torrid time with injury seven, five, four, six, sixty, seven, five in the gold medal match four, our two minute match. An off that often that efforts and those. That silver. Medal. doporto remained ranked two hundred and forty one in the world because there were no ranking points on offer. Can't quite believe that. It took Andy Murray's winning streak to eighteen matches that was ended up to twenty two matches by mansion. The Cincinnati final it still boggles my mind that the day off to winning golden a andy. Murray. Boarded a private jet to to Cincinnati and played there I mean. When I look back on that twenty sixteen years, Andy Murray I see the highs, the wonderful wonderful highs but I also get this visual if his hip wearing down. You know thought. It was his his hip chemist was depleting with every match. Wasn't it? Well he he was prepared to basically do whatever it took that. Yeah. He puts his body on the line in a way. The wasn't just a figure of speech he he was. Probably pushing it too far but he was prepared to do it at the time in the pursuit of Volos goals and Wimbledon title Olympic title and I Particularly noted what you wrote for us when you research this Katherine about how there was no ranking points on offer at the Olympics, Here's the guy who ended up finishing will number one in the final match tennis year and this despite Novak Djokovic having had an incredible first half of the year winning two Grand Slam titles and overhauled him whilst winning Olympic Games that actually gave him zero points so Just an amazing achievement thereafter but. That's what I love about this triumph for the Olympics you saw how rural it was for him Fidel Potrero, as they would. Juuling for that gold medal and Ranking, points, money all relevant all completely irrelevant and Murray even posted a thing yesterday on on his social media that carrying the flag for him was the proudest moment of his career and I just think it sums it up really does A. Slightly Eerie foreshadowing to that final match because. The story from Andy Murray's perspective was him reaching it felt like and it turned out to be the case that he was nearing the pinnacle of his career. And the story on the other end of the court was Martino portray who one feared had reached the pinnacle of his career many years before him is just. Desperately, trying to come back and recapture moments of. If his past glory as he was right in two hundred and forty one in the world at the time and. False food for years. And it's Andy Murray that spin through a doe poetry lake injury experience over the posts. The post-olympic cycle and there some quite from from. Bari. Oft that much that that again have quite near refill to them first of all on on becoming the first ever player to win back to back singles Gold's he said the fact that it hasn't been done before. That it's very hard he said, I'm very proud to have been the first one to have done that. It hasn't been easy because a lot can happen in four years especially for tennis players. We have so many events since London I had back surgery as well. So many things. So many things can change my ranking dropped a lot during that period and I've gone through some tough times on the court as well. I'm happy that I'm still he competing for the biggest events I'll try and keep going who knows about okay twenty twenty. But if I'm still playing for years when I'm thirty three I don't imagine I'll be playing the same level is now so I'll try and enjoy tonight's when. Enjoyed the win by Flying Cincinnati What better way to celebrate Cincinnati. Yeah Yeah naturally I mean, well, I mean portrays Ben on his own. Additional, extra injury journey the course of the past couple years and he knows this period might end up being being good for them both. Bouts. There's no shortage of sort of. Storyline surrounding these players that competed for Golden Enra-. That's that final between the two of them caught the imagination of. Sunny everybody in this country in a way that I don't think any of the other Olympic matches that I'd seen did. So because whilst him winning in London was all the see huge there was so much going on in London at the Games generally that it was one of many whereas it just felt like everything stopped in the UK. That stay that he played the dow think he was on on at a good time of the day. I think. It was one you could dip in out off because it was so long and it was there was a story on both sides of the net because. Posture had gotten enormous support from the Brazilian crowd, which was a surprise really given. He's an Arjun time not do you think he did have the Brazilian support? I'm not sure I think a lot of. Resilience Supporting Murray. There was a lot of. Support in in in the crowd. I got the sense that he was getting great support at the time. My impression was that there was a lot of Argentine support. And in a way DEL. Potrero. One over. The that's that. Was Mine too renaissance does to you. Isn't it? I mean even even when he lost to federal nineteen, seventeen, four years earlier, the the huggy gives federal kind of went Kinda winced federal are. He's almost saying to Russia. It's all right. So right, you deserve it but. I can't believe this you know. Everything about it. is is is special really. It was. It was amazing and he I even as a British person watching that match where. Being British. You kind of want Andy Murray to win gold but. How can you want Dr Patrol to lose? That's how he makes. You feel you can't face him losing and It was just this final with. Incredible stories on both sides and both both men? I think really. Liked by the JEHMU sporting and tennis community and. I was felt that I was pleased for Mary that he managed to carve out this little niche in a way and kind of achieve something that. He knows the Dow Federal, Djokovic, who inevitably his career is so. Tied up with an compared against but it's just something that he has that they will never has have the he's got two Olympic gold medals in singles back to back. And it was also appeared where. He he felt like probably the best player in the world at the time I know I know Jackovitch it. Had that incredible start to the year that you referenced David But. He had won Wimbledon and Djokovic was it was kind of a stall of Hayes downward spiral and it felt like an event that Mary was. Certainly among the favorites at any went out any he it, and then he carried it through for the rest of the season. And then on the other hand, you had tell pot throw who as you said, had emerged from the kind of wilderness I. Remember. So specifically, the start of two thousand sixteen he came back in Delray beach he was ranked by thousand in the world and he had no back canned a tall. I mean just just had a slice he. He wouldn't even put his left hand on the record. By the time he got to Rio I. Think he'd Beaten Rinker Wimbledon eight and a couple of results. Of by the time he got to Rio he was a force again and what I say that about winning over crowd. Think of tennis is such a lonely sport and there were there were an potter would have had so many lonely moments I feel like in his career when he's been out injured and watching the tour, go on without him and there are some players who? Feel lonely on the court because they come galvanize. The crowd or they don't have that kind of spirit but they'll portray never lonely when he's on the tennis court because he just has this. This wave of support behind him and it's it's like he's playing with his soul out there and it's a different energy Wendo Potros on the call and I think particularly when he's competing for Argentina he he carried this through and he went on to help Argentina win the Davis Cup in Twenty Sixteen and. I just remember feeding although he didn't get gold. He'd still owned something he'd still earned. For his country didn't really matter anymore that he didn't win the goal will slay read you a segment the right up from the New, York Times after that men's final. It said Andy Murray of Britain. Put a brightest shine on his finest Tennessee season by winning his second straight Olympic gold medals in singles on Sunday night. But surely, Mutzindo portrayal of Argentina deserves something more precious than silver it won't be ranking point. So prizemoney this Olympic tennis tournament offered neither but dough portray gave it his all just the same providing start to finish entertainment and sentimental resonance is he continued his comeback from three surgeries on his left wrist I fought to my last fingernail. He said the crowds made me run all the time. More than the color of the metal, all remember the whole experience. This is the this is only the reward, but it's not what? Oh. Keep with me. That's inside. Those were the words I was trying to find. That energy that they'll portray has. Is it's an Olympic energy in spirit isn't it as such synergy with the Olympics is all about and. That was also encapsulated in semi final win over in the doll which. I consider that to be one of the best tennis matches I ever seen I talk about Dr Padro, playing with his soul the dollar is is the same in so many ways and there is a there is a moment in the third set of that semifinal where it is the best. Camera Work and directing of a tennis match. I have ever seen when Adul- does they. Running sight stepping fist pump and the camera get behind him and you see the backdrop of the crowd going. Mental in the background and I mean, literally he sidesteps doing a fist pump from the net to the baseline the doll. And then he and then he breaks on the next point with a four winner, the line and. It's just one of my favorite sequences of Tennis Ever and still oppose trump manage to win that match despite an adult. That that's that's wha says everything really because if you think back to the Davis Cup in Spain my view, it always been the Dow is an awesome player Stich a Spanish flag with him and I'm not sure he's actually beatable. He's fully fit. And I know he wasn't fully fit was he really at that time but he was playing well, he would have beaten. Pretty much anybody and DEL partridges wasn't letting him have it and he was pretty broken for the for the bronze medal match. She lost out to to Kane she cory and that was a big deal a finish corey to to be on the podium I Japanese play to win an Olympic tennis medal since nineteen twenty I remember that podium. So clearly I was sobbing. Hoping I. Say I remember nineteen, twenty there. It was late at night here. Wasn't it and Andy Murray along with the British anthem and Dope watchos emotional Nishikori even looked emotional just though. The fails. That is a big deal. For Nishikori having having that runs I've probably overlook that actually honest when I think. He's Korean the that he'd beaten adult to do it Having just lost to marry in really good semi final. And a great spell of his career. She that was when he went on to be Andy Marine the US Open that year. In the doubles the defending champions. The BRYANS withdrew They were another another couple with three. G. TO Z ZEKA virus French pairing Pierre Rigoberto Nick Lima they with the top seeds or how much they would love to have an Olympic gold. Oh Going for the Golden Slam Oh, I can get behind that they they lost in the first round to cabal and fire I mean it's a tough drool that is a tough tough drew but still heartbreaking for them and as you said David, it was monk Pez and Rafael Nadal. The won the gold medal they beat floor MADJAER and hurry to cow in the final six to three six six. Four, and that was just they saying that the best may certainly motley person and adult, and they seem just glorious when they won gold in the mixed it was an old American mixed doubles final Beth pneumatic sounds and Jack sock defeated Venus Williams I'm Rajiv Rams six, seven, six, hundred, ten, seven, it was Jack Salk second. Medal in Ray because he won a bronze in the men's doubles. With Steve Johnson. So they go and there was another. No in terms if if medals will end result but there was there was one big moment at that tournament that I think we probably all remember very vividly that we haven't talked about yet and that came. I think in the very first round possibly even on the very first day of Olympic Competition Olympic, tennis competition, and that was the loss of Novak. Djokovic to formatting portray now obviously like with. Men's doubles. That is a horrible vigil, which I remember when that draw came out and just the the shawl pin takes if breath in the sense of anticipation. lot of lot of waste on the Olympics for Novak Djokovic Vision. He didn't make any secret of the fact that he wanted it. And of course, he ended up leasing still portray win and leaving the court in tears and it was such a visually iconic moment that and David's been speaking to Chris Clarry who's covered. Every single Olympics turns out since nineteen eighty, eight any terms of? And covering that one that was a moment that stuck out for Chris is well. I've never seen him look like that and I've covered him. Since the beginning pretty much He just looked completely. Devastated. is were kind of vacant. But to his credit, he stood there and he answered the questions and he just he didn't hide the paint I mean he was just I forget exactly what he said, but I know the tone of his voice and the. And his words were. Were spared but very powerful and he could just sense. I guess for me. I. Think About Olympics and all. The long road credibility in some ways for it. To me, the credibility comes when a player loses almost as much as when they went and you see what it means to them when they lose and that right there was pretty pretty telling. Doubt del Potrero was an extraordinary story that Olympics wasn't. It wasn't a I mean given what he'd been through. As, you've seen at times I mean they'll poachers the category of A. Or? Or. Monoprix. Crest. For the tournament sees a wonderful player now. will go into the hall of fame I think But it's just A. He managed to peak at the right time and I think he was fresh at the right time and he had played a little tennis again at that stage, and so it was it was an extraordinary run for him. And playing in front of a lot of his own fans because requested quite a number of. Argentine fans who were there bill lyrics? What what did you make of that? Monica Pre story did you could you see it coming going alone? No. No I mean you can see that she was playing well and is in his own and and she was just getting rid from the baseline and playing with nothing to lose was inspired by. By her flag and. And and all of that. And she's always run on Puerto Rico a big thing for her. You know it's it's a little bit of a limbo situation for some athletes because of the US connections Rico. but she really Has always taken it to heart and play tennis in those situations and she she rose I never thought she'd get past. which she got past to win. And I think. If you WANNA A. A Sports Ode to joy watcher after she wins the final. Those bums were pretty. Pretty Extraordinary I. think she was in some ways emerging from a sort of fever dream there. You know that she can coming out of bubble finally, Susan a beautiful place there for for ten days. You mentioned the the Rocky Road of the of tennis within the Olympics what what is your view of tennis in the Olympics does it have a place? You Know My. By Old Standards David, I would I would say no because my all standard used to be. Olympics should be the summit. For any athlete, WHO WINS It should be some moment. Should be defining moment of them signing but should be the biggest moment in their career and biggest title they can win. Undeniably s not true for most tennis players when the Olympics. However the way Olympics has gone. That's not true for a lot of people I mean. NBA players or there now playing. You've had Professional Golfers are now involved. So the idea of the sun that. I think is gone now. And in that sort of. Structure and that kind of situation I think tennis definitely has its place. and. Unlike a lot of sports it was they're very early on you know. The singles. Part of the original men's singles anyway was party original modern Olympics in eighteen, ninety, six woman came in in nineteen hundred. So. It's something where I think. It has a history sleep, Shatri the ITF Presidents who was instrumental in getting it back into games played that card obviously. But I was initially resistant Tennis players already had so much. That they had to. Show. Their talents and. So many things to win and it was already a pretty over stuff calendar I. Think it started to change for me when I saw what it meant to. To, Davenport into Agassi and ninety six. tickly Agassi and I think Andrea did a lot to. Bring into the players attention to in the see how much could mean to them and their careers, and he never stopped talking about it afterward. Really either did Lindsey. So this both were I think a little moments for the sports credibility among the player population. And over time I just think it's the it's it's the emotions that generates. Among the players and I, guarantee you that. When these players look back on their careers he's great players like the noodles. and Federer's. Novak reasons might be sad or might be happy in the end. They'll remember the Olympics and an awful lot of content for them to sift through and I think the Olympics will be in that group and therefore. It matters to them to that degree to most of them anyway, but it should matter to us. If we eventually calculating the greatest of all time and they're all very, very similar Grand Slam titles. How important is the Olympics? I think it is I think it's a significant Tiebreaker. If you will I don't I don't think it builds the body of work entirely diving. The body of work is week to week and Grand Slam season to season number one ranking weeks, and also just the overall. Impact on the. Health and wellbeing of tennis, which is agreement for someone like, Senator. end-all at point But I think once you get down to the details should weigh heavily in the details. And I think something like you know Andy Murray having one to back to back singles titles the only person to do that. Stateless anti-tiger category, Guy Stand, but RINCA. WHO's one of the same number of Grand Slam singles titles? I. Think you take somebody like Rossa. Who has won singles and doubles? Gold? T Roger end up on equal footing in some ways. That you wait and graduate won a double goal but has never gotten across the line in singles. Novak for now is a bronze medalist in singles nothing more, and so that's those are I think it should count but I think accounts wanted t tales in the real way to the matter. If we go back over the tennis that you've seen the Olympics over the years and you've covered a lot of them. Now, what stands out the most have you got a personal highlight. Well I think the most extraordinary thing I saw to be honest and obviously does all run together but I think back in the in a flash go what was the thing? Is this kind of blew me away It was hell amazing. Serena. Was In two thousand, twelve London. I mean. That was probably peak Serena. Frankly. She had just gotten through winning Wimbledon. Having come out of the horrible French Open losing in the first round. Rosado and then. Kind of getting advice from Patrick More to for the first time getting that new beliefs. and She just came in. So those Olympics. In the stratosphere and she stayed there and it was just remarkable to watch, it wasn't very suspenseful. For sure. But. But as a feat of athletic achievement. It was certainly a it was certainly. I think at the top. Now if you look at talk about just the matches. The Wimbledon Olympics. In general is extraordinary I think the You know the Murray situation. Winning the Gold Was He can't forget that tickly because Federer obviously beaten at Wimbledon just before. So just the atmosphere in there that day and. That whole approach was. was. Extraordinary and. And I think also out of body as I'm sure you've discussed on the podcasts because you're you're in this place and so familiar and yet look so different and feels so different. Hello bit of people's Monday feel to it for sure. But just the whole way it was wrapped up look different. And Mary, breakthrough there, but not yet having broken through the the one he wanted most was. Subtly Ironic for sure. We on the PODCAST, the three of US none of us have ever covered an Olympics what what is it like as somebody who covers other events overseas regular on the tennis scene? What is it like to cover the Olympics? It feels it feels smaller time in some ways. It feels it feels A. Little. More. Incidents. and. But, it feels a bit like you've just sort of. Reshuffled cars and you're playing a different sort of hand of GIN rummy. If you will you know cause the cards is sort of the same. Some people that are. You know from outside the box coming on the IT F wildcards. And you see you know certain nations would normally have. Dozens of players on the field only get a handful because of the restrictions on national representation but. It's more. The players are just sort of giddy about the difference of it all and and the stories are telling different too because they're talking about the Olympic Village and and getting together with athletes that are. Whether or not the focus. And I remember you know even. In federal talking about this at Olympics. Password. That's the fun part. So then another. You know they're getting how defrauded graphs because we're superstars are also looking around going who there's. You've seen bolts or look over there. You know that's That's Michael Phelps or whatever it is. Those things are. It's fun to see them in that situation. And it makes them feel A really really different I would say and the mixed on different teams know that exists at certain none of the tournaments as a media member. To, see a a big match people coming through the MIC zone afterward often an open air situations were usually a lot of tennis interviewing happens behind closed doors and close rooms and So it's kind of an openness and freshness to it all I would say, but above all is this the tennis, of course. As federal when he was skipping Davis Cup for as many years always said, hey, I represent Switzerland every week. But. Now. Like that they dots. and Davis Cup too because of the fact that it's a teams different. It'd be Olympic should be team event I. Don't know but the fact that it's an individual playing for his nation herniation. Gives it that special vibe and whenever the players tennis her. Feeling, kind of invigorated and fresh. Is Good for the media because you get better material and they're more eager to talk to us, and it's a new set of topics and. All that you can feel. You you must have covid also of stories and you've seen some incredible feats and you must have covered some. Bizarre things the Olympics. What sticks. Well to be honest thing. I. Probably, I've covered fifteen Olympic so for me. Just, I have trouble remembering yesterday yesterday sometimes. Olympics. But I think. Of all the things. Probably the strangest thing in some ways was. Even happen on the right side I mean I was basically. Covering the Olympics in Athens. which is the cradle of the ancient Olympics and Modern Olympics. And Had this. Crazy genius idea to have the the shot put in the original location of the Olympics and Olympia. So we are on Athens. Bus Ride across the hills and we all got up you know middle of the night if I remember in and drove through the nights, get to this site. Or they had set up. In this ancient Olympic ruins. Shop would competition. So we were there all day watching them. Put the shots. In the middle of the original. You know sort of. Arenas of the Olympics with the. Bus and crumbling structures around us and intense heaton crickets chirping, and it was just really a very. Weird and wondrous day made wonder by the fact that a number of the is ended up testing positive later on. But then again, perhaps that's the most apfel to support. This is an impossible question as in really. There's no right or wrong answer to it but is there an Olympic achievement? The you've witnessed the in any sport stands out the most. Well I mean you're talking about it. We talking about Just, numerical achievements. Phelps doing what he's done with the. Multiple gold medals and same. Olympics just the specific required him in terms of the number of races even though something racist tend to resemble each other sometimes. and the justices are are close to go. Why are they having one hundred and a two hundred meters I can't have one. But nonetheless, the way he's backed up and pull that off was extraordinarily to watch the planning and everything else. And to be there for Bolt, breaking records. In Beijing was. Unbelievable to just because the atmosphere in the stadium and he was fresh for him but you know it's really neat sort of the human stories stand out I mean. When I remember was. Really well was nineteen, ninety, six in Atlanta. was. There was a gymnast from Switzerland namely Dunk Wa. who was grew up in China? The intensely communist-era he was kind of. sidelined, blackballed by the Chinese gymnastics ration-, goes a world-class gymnasts. Ended up falling in love with a Swiss. Woman he met him. TNN. Square. Move to Switzerland. And spent five years unable to really do anything at all. So kind of coach Jim because he had to wait for his nationality, it's free modest Jim. And I wanted to the story because he. Started to come. Back. And the guy ended up winning the gold medal. In the in the pommel horse at the Olympics in Atlanta, and it's just to see and see what he had been through to get to that point basically just been completely anonymous sideline for all this time. It's kind of an artisanal way to beat the athletes who were backed by the government that he'd left behind. And see what it meant to him and his wife at the time. Swiss woman he'd met whose name was Esperanza, which means hope and Spanish. It was just A. I was young enough to really be. UNJADED incredibly touched by that and I still am. What they went through to get third of that moment of the odds were against him. That's lovely. Wow. final. One just in terms of the logistics of working these events in what they bring as well. I mean, sometimes in tennis I think well I love the Italian Open in Rome but I hate work and that because it's so difficult because the the organization isn't always what you want it to be. What what do you think is the was the best. Olympics that you covered in terms of which one do you think back? With most of action on. Day I mean to be honest. Now Sydney was great. Because the vibe in the and the Ozzy's natural. Love of sport is you know so well from the Australian Open that was tremendous. But it was quite scattered. Out and around. London was I thought. Extraordinary as well. Very well, run and. Ultimately it made a heck of a in in terms of the locations and venues was extraordinary but but the one I really to be on the spoke to me, the most was probably Is Summer. Olympics was. Was I'll the Athens even though I know Athens was not the best organized I would say, but just in terms the power of the setting. All the history there was tap into his journalists when you're writing about the marathon where they ran. The marathon in the country initially and to be there for. Just. The the connection between the past and the present was really really powerful there and so I think that's the one that I think gets underrated in memory by people the the Games in two thousand, four nathen. Also, you know the sad thing about that of course, is the overspent over organized that you know costume sells a lot of money down the road, a lot of white elephants. But they stretch themselves to limit their to put on a show because of mental out to their culture to show, they could do it. Was a great idea in retrospect. That's for them to say, but the moment itself was was really something. He gives such a great sense Chris Clarry. Doesn't even if the weight of it all. And the history? And the significance. Of the Olympic moments or any moments really. But yeah, just the weight of everything. a great way with words such A. Such a good way sort of unifying look back on our whole Olympics relived experience radio doesn't have to rub it in that. He's covered every single Olympics. A. Bit Of A. Bit of a blow you. Yeah. None of us have ever covered Olympics you've covered all of them. So how's that on sir? Bloody Great Obviously. Yeah, I mean. I did find his answer about. Olympics Tennessee's place in the Olympics very interesting because. I, Don I I didn't see it but. It's disgust as a fixed thing I suppose tennis place in the Olympics, and that's not how. I see it. Personally, I think the argument that it's not the pinnacle of the sport is Fading I. Think There are some players who would be the pinnacle spoke. Okay. Perhaps not the majority. But a heck of a lot more than they would've been. Ten. Years ago. Even more than that would have been twenty years ago and a shovel laid more than they would have been in one, thousand, nine hundred and I think he give it even more time and I think it is possible that you could ted the majority of tennis players talk about Olympic gold as. The Pinnacle of the sport or certainly on an equal facing with the Grand Slams and I do think there are a lot already would put on an equal footing. With the Grand Slams I think tennis is placed in the Olympics is. Evolving still. and I think that line about it not automatically being the pinnacle. Is certainly used by. A lot of people I think outside of tennis who might not think that tennis should be in the Olympics that would be the line that they would go to to justify that reasoning. And I think. I think Chris makes a very good point about how Agassi. Helped push the Olympics you know he didn't. He say that winning a slam is the best thing you can do in tennis but winning, Olympic, gold is the best thing you can do in sport and that such a such a neat summary of the Olympics is weight and significance and I think Venus Williams is also taught so much In glowing terms about her medals compared to her slams and I think the fact that it's become. Suction interesting element of this current men's generation in terms of the Dow Federer and. Your vision terms of WHO's got a gold. Does go one in singles and doubles federal's got one in doubles. But how much does that mean? It's kind of had. It's taken on a bit of a new life I think in that respect as well as part forming part of that conversation. So yeah, I do think it is evolving and I do think it's been eye opening speak to so many medalists as you've done than have. So many of them say that it is the pinnacle of their career even when they've achieved lots of other things as well. So I definitely think it's It's trending in a direction of even greater meaning I. I still look at it as the icing on the cake for tennis player whereas for the other athletes, it is the cake. Those how would you mean? Like that is in, that's how you on their behalf. We think that's how they should feel it. Just how I view it's in the grand scheme of the texture of the spoils. The there's there are a lot more things look Andy. Murray. In the eye until him thoughts just an icing on the cake. Well I think in his particular journey it's different because he he needed that. More. I don't every every Olympic. Relive, relive to artis. Everyone's got their journey and the reason why it's more than just icing on the cake isn't that the point? Well Yeah. But I mean I can only tell you how I view it generally speaking I mean they're all. Individual cases across the board we've talked about them as we've gone along. And an individual will look at the Olympics. More. Favorably in the context decrees than some other players there will be differences. I. Just failed that because of the history of tennis and I think it's the same ing Ingolf more Gulf actually because. Gulf is more recent as an addition to to Olympics. Then tennis is. It's It's got its. Key. Tournaments already it's key. Cornerstones Radio of a what sport is already and the Olympics ans- to that. It's become part of the Olympics whereas track and field. Swimming, they they may have their world championships but everybody you ask no matter what we'll say the Olympics is the pinnacle of their sport. Every single one you will not get anybody who defies that. Whereas that I don't think that will ever be the case in tennis. I think it will be the case for some but you'll. You'd never get that the unity of opinion across the board. So. I'm personally quite happy where it is in terms of viewing it as as this huge wonderful thing that they can add that you cannot onto the sport, but not I don't think some. The Pinnacle. Overall. For. Tennis player know. And never will be. Individually yes. For for certain players. But I just feel like the grand slams have got such history of their own. That I think that that's and because they have them every year that will. Tends to be what? Tennis players look to festival. That's why like what Chris says about? Being tiebreakers is for the in terms of the the grace's fulltime I think he's is absolutely worthy. Elements will be discussing for Alfred since he has got something over those guys. So I think that is significant in that regard. Eight episodes of tennis relive just icing on the cake. Should we from Mary Carillo The temperatures changed in this conversation. Yeah. Should. Let I mean Marie. Corelli, somebody else that can give us some perspective on Tennessee's evolution as an Olympic sport since one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight. Is Talking about The reintroduction of the sport in in one, thousand, nine hundred and how she felt about it then. I was torn in the beginning. I'm no longer torn tennis in the Olympics. I was a bit torn in the beginning because I felt like. We got four majors. You know every year for players. We've got all that. Why do we have to add to the calendar? Why do we have to? Why does why tennis players need gold? Why did they didn't? There's part of me that was of that. Is An Olympic Sport and. There's some parts of me. That believe that we can make it so that it's more of a team event at the Olympics incentive basically just. A draw and they go off you go. You're representing Puerto Rico Monica pleat but you're really not I mean you're there for yourself in there's gotta be a better way I, think I. Hope. But I have I have loved I think we drudge the great so much by Only, the number of majors in the winning, but I think we have to include. Masters titles one longevity of career and Olympics I think I think that at Roger who so badly wants to win Olympic singles and joke of its for whom A. Guy Like that bringing home an Olympic medal to Serbia you know how much that needs to him Rafa only played at Rio and he. was still bad as you might remember in two thousand sixteen but he wanted to play doubles with Marc Lopez and when those two won the gold I mean he did that I mostly the same. Oh, he did it out of French it largely essential. And that. He and Marc. Lopez, win is crazy winning the dubs as fetter involve RINCA did in Beijing in two thousand, eight, I mean these guys were. Just rolling around on the floor together and just going. I think the Olympics. And in my head that Roger, we wanted to win two things this year he wanted to win it. Where we got so close last year and he wanted to win the Olympics, for two out of three on hardcourts I can pull this off that to me, and of course, has got a big Japanese contract. So that would work well at the Tokyo Games I mean. Now that he's going to be crowding forty next year trying to win it, and so we'll Serena and who knows if Venus up, she's been a tremendous. Tennis Olympian. Screwed things up it's it's I. I think this will be a big deal that Tokyo has been look at sympathy at all everything was suspended but. I think. It will change the fortunes of a lot of players who were very much looking forward to the Olympics this summer. Do you have a favorite Olympic tennis memory. I love watching Monica Puig win win in Rio I. Mean it was a real surprise and she had to play she had tough opponents I mean she had to pick away through a very difficult draw so I love watching her do that Andy Obviously Andy. Murray winning. The Olympics at Wimbledon. And that was absolutely magical. Absolutely magical I love that as well. I think I think tennis has really come to understand how important the Olympics is in their calendar. I really think they most of them embrace it a lot of a lot of them wanted to do something and the whole idea being around. Thousands of other tremendous athletes means a lot to. Tennis players as well. Go, Mary. You know he's trust married to bring some. Of Santa Sannoussi. I'm GONNA marry and Chris. Narrating tennis. No rating our lives at. Them to do that sort of an individual. Yeah. To this is the end. Where he just? Picks to relive year. But there are also slightly US Open and the Australian. Often event happens, is it appropriate to relive it? Relieved coming to you next week. That is the tennis girls normally well yes that's true. That's true. How the the Olympics being put back a year possibly more. Let's be honest. It is not a given. The Olympics will go ahead in twenty, twenty one and not itself is is interesting because how much do to play sort of to their season around it when when it's when it is a movable faced still I mean we've had blast breed this. Say that they don't think they'll be able to go ahead in in twenty twenty, one, the likeliness next glastonbury festival will be. Twenty, twenty, two Yeah. How how much of a different complexion does that put on things? I remember when spoke to to Michael Chang for for Olympics relieved to a few weeks ago for for Tennis Rita draw a few weeks ago I. Asked him about how significant the Tokyo Olympics was going to be Kane issue call read this year and and Different Spin. It's constellation or postponement puts on things and he said it was going to be the the main drive this year, the year, the shedule the fitness was going to be building up to Tokyo, and actually he was anxious that that case fitness wouldn't be right for this year and it could end up being a blessing in disguise for him for next year, and that's certainly something. that a complete set as well. You know defending her gold medal is a big deal to her and I I do think she do on one leg if she had to. But it sounded like she didn't think she probably would be physically fit to properly defend this year where she might be in a position to you next year. But then on the other side of the coin you've got. Roger Federer he's going to be. Basically forty. Basically forty into next year. Novak. Djokovic is going to be. Thirty four. Thirty, five, thirty, four, and a half. and. Less of a big deal Serena cause she's already got one, but she's going to be pushing forty two. Yeah I think some of those players may well prioritize. Olympics. Just because of those reasons because it, what it means to them I think there will be some some players that. Given the instability may just decided to shelve it May feel as though they can't be in limbo like that. All right, Olympic. Party pooper either they're. Just shove it. Yeah, real. Eight episodes more wicked joy than you've ever experienced. We've got icing on the cake chauvet. Can I interest you in rounding off our Olympics relived experience with some news of our old friend Matthew Emmons. Which? Now, this is a little late. It should have been in the London twenty twelve addition. Joins US now. Sarah will and he's been doing recent chief. Oh my God if only. He's been doing a research for a fun Olympic facts. She has at the last minute pull the rabbit out of the hat with Matthew Emmons News It doesn't start off brilliantly just just bear with it. Okay. If you recall Matthew. One. That's in when when did his Olympic journey begin? Was it. Met Him in Athens I. Think it was Athens yes. He was hanging on now say he won Golden Sydney in two thousand in two thousand and four. He was defending his gold medal and was on target to retain his title. When he ended up in the final round shooting his opponents talk and coming eighth he went to drown his stories a among the women who had become his wife lovely Then in Beijing in two thousand, eight his his journey continued. He was again leading with a new single shot between him and the gold when his gun went off unexpectedly. So that is where the cliffhanger of the Matthew Emmons Tale ended lost time around in London twenty twelve? WHOA. In twenty, ten math Yeoman's contracted thyroid cancer. He. Then, made a complete recovery in time for the Olympic Games and won bronze in London. Great is that. It doesn't. It doesn't end and the story doesn't end in a very Olympic Away Sarah says he didn't do so well in in twenty-six stay nineteenth I think can seemingly without drama I'm quite happy to just Diana off the olds. Cancer Recovery. Happy and healthy, and still with the wife which we've got no evidence to the contrary Yeah. All Good News for Matthew Evans. Border. On the journey that is he's competed at five Olympics and won gold in the first one. Yeah and still coming back for more and presumably in shooting, he can keep going for donkeys is. Unless his eyesight goes but any he's not old. GIGGLING. Rival soon isn't it bother name? Of Catherine Richardson? I mean shooting I feel like the parrot entry for shooting is lower than for. For horse racing, he's still going is an active rifle shooter. Is there a rifle shooting coast because? This might be the most coverage she's. Sad and while. He is thirty nine years of Eight. Iraq and he's got some good years left in degreed yet. All Eyes on Matthew for the hopefully take twenty twenty, one Olympics. It felt like a fitting way around off our Olympics relived experience. Super. See perv indeed it's been a pleasure fakes. It's been an absolute pleasure. We'll be back with more live tennis to talk about on Monday. We'll be reviewing paloma looking ahead to Lexington. Reports. That plays are in town Lexington I think coca Gulf is doesn't she serena Williams's on away I'm going to be covering that for for prime video if I can remember how to present on the telly that city see fingers crossed for me. So. Yeah. Talk about actual tennis, but it's been a joy to do Olympics well to do all of Tennessee lived but Yeah it'll be back. Don't worry. We're going to be doing US Open relived. A daily. So details coming shortly. Thanks to all of our contributors are interviewees. Eve Eve made this show you really have. 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ATP Finals Day 8 - Medvedev does it his way as event leaves London

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ATP Finals Day 8 - Medvedev does it his way as event leaves London

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Through one hundred thirty seven episodes. I think we're up to something like that. I actually i would think it might even be one hundred and forty now And and that's what we've done so far this year and we are into the eighth and final daily from the atp finals and catherine is sitting in the room that she's going to be vacating in the morning at the two arena inside the bubble. She's going to be let out into the community but not before discussing victory in the twelfth and final edition of the finals held in london We'll get onto a few members of the place a little bit light. It first of all we should really talk about. The addition that we've just concluded and matt roberts is here. I matt very well. Thank you david. Good good so that's been watching. Catherine's been presenting live tv. I've been watching and cooking and just generally plates spinning house and And dano medvedev's been fighting his way back yet again from a seemingly well certainly a perilous position in a match to win the title. the shipments. isn't it you say paradis position medvedev says of you right where i won't eat. That's that's true. He's a revelation that guy isn't it. I sort of forget how cool he is from the us open of a couple of years ago it was two years ago. This is what our game. And then we got into the sort of the bit where he went to corporate medvedeva and talking about the metro may be titles and and that's all we would have a now. He's melding the two perfectly of really enjoyed downhill medvedev's this week. Yeah yeah i mean the match was good and everything but how soon before we can talk about his celebration or lack thereof about match. I spilled our way. I can do that so right matt. They came in these two. What was the head to head between these two when they started this match. I think it was three one team. Yeah and one of those at the. Us open recent. He wasn't it where i remember in the pre match press conference so the one after we'd bayton the dow medvedev said when i played team in the. Us open match. I played really well. And that's a measure of how well dominic thiem was playing. And how many difficulties he can. Cause and i i remember watching that match and i remember i think i probably a motive even picked medvedev to win or at least i felt like he had a really good chance because he was he was playing wild and all the reasons but ahead of this one he was aware of how destructive team is an really. He's a once again. It's never slow burner. Is he a slow starter or was team. Just coming out of the blocks at a miles hour. I don't think medvedev necessarily had a slow start today. I just think he played one terrible game on serve in that first set and lost his serve. I mean i feel like just needs to sort of take the conversation we had yesterday about medvedev and inserted into this podcast because it felt like a copy basically of the actually played against nadal. He was actually probably certainly as good a player in the first set but one bad game cost him. It was really inexplicable is a double fault. It was two forehand errors. Smash into forty love up was it was. It was a really bizarre moment. If you were trying to tanka game which of course he wasn't but that's what it would look like. Yeah he he suddenly comes find the court and then then he was hanging on a bit in the second set and team was looking like the better player. I felt he certainly had a couple of break points. Either at three or four three whatever. That game was when medvedev was serving and team missed missed a forehand. He just pushed it long and that was his chance. Because after that. I thought medvedev began playing way more fluently and he did exactly what he did against. Nadal started changing the tactics midnight she came to the net twenty times in that second set. I mean i know. We talked about his flexibility and the options at his disposal. But the main way i would describe medvedev is a baseliner and someone who is going to away. He does have the options but he really used those options in this match. And i just thought it was the second match in a row where he's out thought an opponent and also the second row where he's physically outlasted an opponent. I thought the doll quite fatigued. But the end of that semi final and i thought team did whereas medvedev just kept going just kept getting stronger and kind of was the quintessential daniil medvedev performance. I think so you win the title. Catherine you can talk about in celebration. Just assure. wasn't it. It was the coolest shrug in the history of sports. And he's he's totally owning it. This is this is my thing. Now is i. Celebrate with a shrug and i loved. Harry said that last year in the us open. He thought to himself. Great players have a thing they have something iconic and he thought. I want to thing and any decided that it's going to be beaten not celebrate. What really what a great brand to have. I'm the he said. He said in in in professional football or soccer. If you're in america you see plays sometimes score and not celebrate now personally. I really furious when that happens in for my football team. If somebody scores from my team and doesn't celebrate winds me up. They usually do in preseason when the matches matter or they they do when they're playing a former club which i kind of understand but it it started to become if you do celebrate against former club year complete silence of but here where you've got everybody fall into the knees jumping punch aena climbing the crowd to have one black who's just won the biggest title of life and is ecstatic. Just look like he's just held. Serve for two one hundred serb because the other thing he did not only to just sort of shrug. he'll say patted the ball back to the ball kid and just walked off. It was so boiler it was just great and have the so so for wellness and and humility to just admit it. Yeah would've thing. This is my thing pretend like oh spontaneous length. Oh am i doing that. I didn't realize yeah and his thing is so on naff like so many things are just now. You know people like gareth bale in his hot. And you know the one the borough and each to their own but as stroke is really wonderfully and he says he has to stop himself from celebrating his mistakes here last year. When you know i was still experiencing. Us open fever after you guys it because of you I interviewed him before the tournament. And i asked him about his little dance. You know it's now one of the all-time great tennis gifts. I said i said if you if you you win it will you do the dawn's little twinkle in his eyes said. Yeah obviously are. Jinxed didn't win any matches said the dawn's was off the menu anyway. So yeah he's he's gone from from said if the method of wiggle which was a little bit. Peter korda scissor kick back in the late nineties. Which is what he used to do. But the problem with an remember when andrea petkevich used to have her dance dance. And and i and the problem is those are great when they happen the wants but then when they become the trademark and have to keep rolling them out sometimes. Y- you don. I can say that. I really want to do them. But this works for every enj-. Although i i do slightly. Sorry for photographers. Yes from l. about that. Yeah she she said. This is a nightmare. Because i wonder whether now with medvedev matches they're going to sort of reframe and go for the great loser shots because know they're not gonna get anything out of medvedev although if you just capture that peak of the shrug whether lips are their downturn in the shoulders are up you do with a think really know if he becomes so known present present in the public consciousness that people know it i think at this stage i get that it's about him owning it to this degree is i quite liked the idea that the opponents didn't know that that's what he was doing. I i love the sort that the dow might be looking across the net and thinking beat man. It seems to me nothing to him. I still think cool. He's that cool that he doesn t even that it's not a big deal but it's not that is it because he's because he's owned it and said this is my thing i think it negates stopped. Personally he's not trying to pretend that he doesn't care. Will these two too cool to care. He's telling you. I really care but i want to have a cool thing but it wouldn't it be cooler if he really didn't know isn't cool or okay. He did care but they didn't know you cared. That's the that's the thing. I think it's cool to care. And it's fine for to know you care. This is a public service broadcast from the tennis. Podcasts he's like a. wwe character is our love it. so this isn't this isn't the metronomic winning titles than david. This is the velociraptor coming of age before our is returning to his former glories right. He's just he's just balanced it catherine to perfection. He's balanced that euphoric moment of going to war with a new york crowd on these. He's he's married that winning and also having a twin clinton that we kind of know about. But you know. I'm really liking reluctant. And mike word was his tennis. Good as well today. I do hope we're still going to get some twenty nine thousand nine. Us open antics from him. Of course we will not forget what he said to the to the empire. The your siphoned recently. Yeah for sure he What did he say it was against team because he had he had a very small meltdown in that first set against team at the us open where he He disagreed with a call actually crossed the net to go and look at it which is a big yes no no and then and then he said something like my sincere apologies to the us open. I killed killed somebody. My sincere apologies. Incredible sarcasm. but but he's shown that he can win even when he's doing well okay. Maybe not quite win. Didn't win the us open last year but he can still have brilliant results while doing all that kind of stuff but also he can win when he's in just completely in the so nike was in this week. He does seem to have both traits which is perfect because that makes me think that hopefully we will see more antics from him because antics fine but antics. Winning is is such a great combination especially winning the way because his kids game is really interesting especially on these faster surfaces like an indoors the way he just. It's almost like he computer game where you have a secret weapon and you just decide you just decide when to utilize it and you flick the switch. And that's what he did in team did not seem to know that that was coming. It's almost like a computer game where you don't know the controls when you start and you have to figure them out as you go and by the end you're an absolute pro kind of what he's done in these those two matches and i think he he really kind of reward you if you watch the whole match. That's very very true. He's he's not a highlights. No real plan does hit some incredible shots which grateful highlight reels. But the actual enjoyment for medvedev comes from seeing it through from start to finish because you see all the options at his disposal and you see him changed the way he's playing and that is that is so satisfying. I think for anyone who just enjoys watching tennis being played this. This is so much to kind of learn from him. I think i. I wasn't able to attend the dominic. Thiem press conference because i was recording highlights links at the time. But i think he. I think he's confused. I think he might be confused about why he lost that match. I'd do you think he understands why he lost that much. I mean he he a little bit like medvedev talking about them match the. Us open team. Said i only replied one. There's any one point. I regret in the home pretty much the whole matter. He said I think. I think he is what he was up against tonight. Exactly but it's far more simple to if it's you know should have done this differently. I mean yeah. I don't think visit his peak today even in that first set the that he one. I don't think it was at a peak. Dominic thiem by any means a tool. Yeah i wonder if he really. I wonder if he really understands why he why he lost. I think he. I think he seemed a bit bamboozled in that in that third set. What do you think i definitely think. He wasn't at his best today team. But i think a lot of that is because of what medvedev was doing to probably Along gates the matches and elam gates the rallies and just makes you think he just ties ties opponents. That's a little. But i think but i think maybe dominic thiem would think. Yeah but that's what jackovitch i hit through. I've got his number. I a hang tag off on patient or wait for moment and then i explode. That's the formula and if it's good enough against the world number one wasn't it good enough today. You said the the way that he's confusing him as tarring and making him have to think differently because suddenly off way through the match. She's coming to twenty times in a sense. I mean that's just extraordinary. And that isn't something that i guess djokovic does he does. He does a very rich like qualities that solidity from the baseline. We don't really see yovich. Just suddenly come to the net twenty times in a set. I guess team what i would say is This is this is one match and did beat medvedev a few weeks ago. The us open. I think they're going to have an interesting rivalry. And i think you could kind of compare it to sit surpass last year. You know team that final to sit surpass but that doesn't necessarily mean that sits a pass got the better of the rivalry. It meant that they were going to be close in the future and teams investor. Five is different vibe is different. Teams teams trajectories still so incredibly good and upwards. This is just a minor bump in the road that you'll have to think about when he next plays medvedev but i think it'd be a stretch to say that he's got a matchup problem with methodist. Just based on this by the way We tweets from stephen malloy one of alison. Who was entertains me with his tweets and and he actually said something here that i found really It'll stay with me. May i say that medvedev is the perfect demonstration of on court. Coaching should never be allowed. His massive skill is his ability to problem solve in real time and technically changed his approach to turn a match. Why should this be negated for cheap tv entertainment. very compelling. i'm not disagreeing with it. I would say tv. Entertainment is not cheap. Pays the bills. I didn't mean my bills. I mean it will say pays my bills. I mean everyone's bills. It pays for tennis to happen. Particularly at the moment i think just dismissing entertainment value as frivolous isn't really fair. But yeah i still think there's a compelling point there for sure on match point within seconds of matchpoint been secured and within seconds of having enjoyed. The denno medvedev celebration. I got a text from miami again. It didn't work. we probably less value. Yeah great well. A text from my mother said congratulations. She finally got a prediction right. Like god you being trolled by. Your mom really enjoyed the match. She said that was it. That was the tweet. Tweet tweet twitter. Sorry not the tweet. Reads like it's wait. She maybe she asked twitter account. Maybe she's under some weird name that i don't know about. Maybe now i mean that would be quite something so anyway. He's the champion very well done to have and and he was also quite interesting talking about australia and the tennis of next year and just the unknowns and heyman tape. It's really that it's really uncertain. Time just just at the moment having got its feet back under it as a sport suddenly everything the foundations are rocking right. Now and these. Next few days i mean when we spoke last night at that time ten straight hadn't released any official so to statements will cry tiny has spoken in the last twenty four hours. In fact i think a couple of hours after we spoke. He didn't sign off la other than to say that he was in constant dialogue with the government. And you know. They're trying to get clarity as soon as possible. Because they understood the gravity of of the uncertainty but it's Yeah trying to read anything into what's happened at the end of the year now and cast it forward to next year is a little bit pointless really because we just don't even know where next he'll start but Hopefully it's two or three days. We may have some further information so anything else. While i was going to say do we need to have the. What does this mean discussion. I take i take your point about the difficulty of forecasting. But you know this is. It fails like quite a significant couple of days. We've just had in terms of medvedev and team beating djokovic. All i mean what are we reading into that. I mean as much as i agree with everything you just said david. You have sort of the chi- bush on the tennis podcast there by saying forecasting and is pointless costs for the next Well the next forever to kick started backing. It never know confirmed events. We really need to be able to. Forecast inspect eight. Don't you worry. We've got a wealth of ideas to ask i to dig into the keep away from you while you doing twelve hours teddy everyday in a but tomorrow. We'll me when we have the meeting. That you don by yet but anyway actually just just more generally died. I'm sitting here thinking well. What does it mean sign is it went sits passan dimitrov in all of these other people one when we thought this was a massive moment now if them had reached clan slam final. Look i i feel like Medvedev are the clearly the next best behind those three actually. It's quite interesting. Hearing tame site that he would put rublev in that little mix of players based on his his five titles he would he would he. He's the one player he would put into the group Amongst the ranking positions as being a top player in the world right now. But i still feel that when you get to the slams. It's just different and these people can still got to figure out that way winning them when the others of that now team yes he has one one but it is still the year that nadal didn't play and now that jackovitch got defaulted and roger federal. Wasn't there the australian open when it does happen. We'll be fascinating if everybody's fit. We know that jackovitch. He's amazing not told them and the dow. There's no real reason. She has injury problem that he should be sub pau given the way he looks right now. It's it's still different. We've got that evidence for the last three years we've got that evans. We've we had dimitrov losing takata edmund. We at the australian open. We verve lose into miller's row niche horribly. You remember And then we had sits passer cutting remember. He i think he lost will be quaking if he sees rounding his section of the draw. So you know. I just it's different and and it'll change eventually but i don't feel absolutely. I feel very confident in in dominant team as as being a regular part of of the big four or five naff you want to call it medvedev as much as i'm impressed with them. I still think some proving today on that school I i certainly agree with you. Big big picture. We need we need to wait for the slams until we stop kind of declaring this as the dreaded words changing of the guard. But i do think agree with catherine. This addition felt different to dimitrov verve and sit surpass partly because of what medvedev and team already done in the slams and also i think what they did in this tournament they both beat an adult and djokovic at the slams. I always talk about this kind of pack. Hunter thing that the big three of got going on. I think it's i think it significant to players have shown that they can beat two of the big three in the same event and convert that to best of five medvedeva's never won a five set match. He's he's zero. Wins six losses when it when it goes to five cents. That's that's quite a big hurdle you would think he would need to overcome but something about medvedev physically outlasting the down team the way the team beating jovic in that style of not quite having that s tennis but winning they kind of did to the big three what they've been doing for everyone for years and if it felt to me the most significant data point yet i suppose of the of the gradu- the gradual generational shift. This is to say that a few weeks ago we were gobsmacked by the level that the dial jackovitch were producing in that french open final. And saying you know it's no wonder no one's been able to break through. So i do i take that as well but it felt it felt significant to me these last two days I i perceive how brilliantly put that fun is very compelling we we both listen to the gulf podcast no laying up and they had that sorta conversation after the most recent major golf tournament the us masters and they're talking about how many slam how many majors. Aw dustin johnson and Rory mcilroy and brooks koepka going to end up with an and they they suffer from the same recent see issues as we do how difficult it is to to put those outta mind and get some context of all the papal matt's. You're the one i trust so swept up bay Anyway medvedev medvedev got me a consolation goal today in the predictions for the. Because i think i was on minus a hundred and sixty one points at the start of the day and i'm now on the on minus one hundred thirty five or something like that official predictions. Yes we did catherine. upn right. yep so. I was an even in the game today today today. Right okay one. But it's like. I said it's a consolation goal. I've still been beaten nine one by you and six one by matt effectively. We'll take that a gatherings when everybody and there is a graph that will show that and katzrin looks at it on a daily basis. Well now this doubles and your meltzer loss. See the considerable notes about that i do. I do know it's cool. Half and nikola tich who why they played together for the final time. They've just one title six to three six ten five and the split up just won their first title lost time. Is the only team ever to win their first doubles title at the atp finals the spring up you would think you would save that conversation until afterwards mctighe dumped him to go to play with permit as well. You assume i mean who did the dumping i. These are these are the really important question so cool is going to play with lucas kubat. Lucas cubo who's playing here with marcelo. Melo and an eclectic is going to play with mattie package. Now nick lima giamatti povich. Both croatian said that could be potentially with a view to the olympics although if that were if they were they were inclined to form partnerships with a view to olympics. You'd think they would have done that this time last year. Whenever is experiencing in olympics to happen in august of this year. So i sort of think. Daniela hantuchova made the points on all prime coverage that she thinks the covid situation and travel restrictions make plays more inclined to want to play in the in the country so that literally they are nearby them to able to hit with them practice with they also grounded home but i yeah i mean having said all if that it seems really bonkers that they went into that much today knowing that even if they had their respective best days on the tennis school and make no mistake. I think it was that for both cool. Hoffa make tich. They were going to part ways off is ensuring that they could never have such day again together enough together again. But you're greg don yellow reproduce. Greg said i think the split will last six months and daniela asides. Greg said i predict. They'll get back together in six months daniels at order that long so rich fun. Yeah i mean who knows what's going on behind the scenes hate one another. You know it's like you never know what's going on in a person's relationship and you know when a when a celebrity couple that everybody's sort of in love with from a fall split up and you go. Why can't they just stayed together. They seem happy together. It seems you know. They looked so good together. Maybe it's like that but people don't necessarily just everybody now what's happening today. Fit the hated another. They probably wouldn't be winning one of the biggest titles in the world together Have such a great strength. They beat edwards lying yoga meltzer today who as individuals are stronger stronger tennis players. And they they. They beat them and they were the best team this week on. The basis of the the sort of typical double skills of real understanding is a team. Anticipation this instinctive awareness of where one another on the court. And whether they're going to move to. I mean that's the holy grail for doubles team isn't it. I mean yes. There's a chance that goal hof will have that with coup bought and make tissue. We'll have that with parv ish package but seems like a big risk to me And especially for cool off. Because he's a guy who doesn't win much. He had lost fifteen of the seventeen finals with about seven or eight different partners. He is chopped and changed suddenly found someone and they've won one of the biggest titles available and it is no more i mean. Maybe there's something in that movie with so many partners. There's something about him but we we need to do. A doubles denied about this stuff. To find out what really goes deep dive in doubles. I am despots today desperate. we'll get on By the way just quickly actually we should. We should talk about your meltzer. This is this is. This is his final match of his career or is planning to play something next year. If it's on there was some confusion over this. I think supportive. I think it's sort of the answer to both. Those things is both those things correct. I think this is sort of. His first is lost competitive proper match of his career but he kind of hope to be able to play a couple of testimonials next year tool intensive purposes. His relationship with at roosevelt salah is coming to an end. Georgia veselin is teaming up with henri kontinen next year Your meltzer he's thirty nine. I think he's already accepted a job with the australian federation starting in february but he he basically wants to be able to play in front of a crowd again. He wants to be able to go out in front of a crowd which is very understandable so the australian federation have given him the ok and the grand slams of i think indicated that they would be amenable to giving him a wildcard on. He wouldn't need. Well cody especially. It depend to plays with me up in the air because that were rows of worship vessels is trusted off into the sunset continent. He is indicated that he if it were possible would play the australian open and wimbledon in order to go out hype flee in front of some crowds. But that feels very uncertain. So i'd say i'd say they would have been a good portion of yoga meltzer's brain today. That was treating. That is his his swansong. Yeah now we're still a lot about how the landscape is changed inevitably in tennis. The moment and i just as a quick snapshot of that. I was just looking at the the prize. Money won this year in the singles by daniel medvedev which is one point five six four million dollars so one and a half million dollars. Last year stephanus sit surpass one more than a million dollars more than that he wouldn't two point six five million and medvedev's one one point five six million It's pretty jarring. Isn't it to see. Say the difference. The total prize fund is five. Point seven million dollars compared to nine million a year ago. yeah that's the new world wherein just to the man. I'm i'm i'm pretty. Impressed staggered at the numbers. Still say big. Frankly i mean so. See huge dropoff. But it's yeah given the circumstances young from seventeen thousand fans twice a day you not sessions of seventeen thousand people hospitality strewn nothing. I think it's pretty impressive. The numbers still. They are great so it is the twelfth year This tournament came to the end of the first time in two thousand nine and was one bhai. Nikolai davydenko In the final. And he beat roger federer along the way for the first time in his career being. I think he got a horrendous record against him until that match it was the one that began with andy. Murray facing one. Martine del potrero. I remember the first group match In two thousand nine and then in the end despite the fact that he beat del potrero. It was del potrero edged. Murray out i think by single game in the game. Percentages into the semifinals It's that was back in the days when nobody well. I say back in the days in the uk government. We seem still to be in those days but nobody could probably work an excel spreadsheet. They've they've really got their act together since that stint trace gag. They know it's looking at the play from back. Then and they were playing two matches from seven pm. singles singles and the doubles and the doubles. I and the the singles was not before eight forty five and they had one three hour epic and never forget the exodus of people who suddenly realize to chips. Were about to close down and there's no way of extending them And yeah. There were quite a few teething problems. In that first year i mean inevitably you know given the scale of the events in being new but it's been a massive success really has no way beyond what i could have expected him and she said best part of cortra- of a million people through the doors every year And yeah the the the city is the people of the city just really took it to their hearts just loved going out for an night out. There was a different atmosphere in the night sessions to what was in the afternoon. Sessions the matches once always great. I think i think you can maybe a bit misty eyed about the quality of an old but often you would get the end of the year and apply would lose a tight. I sent in the second. There was no chance that anybody. Who's gonna make a comeback you know but what stands out few catherine d. Do you have any specific favorite memories of of this tournament. Goodness was i was that first. Final davidenko doubt portray as a as a fan with my dad. I think you organized me tickets for that and we will. We decided not to get tube because of fears about getting getting home because the horror stories ear about trying to get the cheap out of there was so severe we. We drove and in typical me and my dad fashion. When when i'm with my mom where you know an hour early for everything but my dad. It underestimated the traffic. We were very very late. And i think we saw the final couple of games of nikola davidenko winning the title which respects dovidenko. Possibly wasn't exactly what we've been hoping to witness says well we'd miss the devil. We'd missed every competitive portion of the singles. We just sort of got their foot. Defend coast traifi. Lift living the tennis spectator dream. It was still very enjoyable. David thank you. Thank you for the tickets. Did you organize you a dental vora. I also i mean i've rivalry referenced. I vividly remember watching on the telly. After that final group stage match involving they'll portray when extraordinarily no pity new. Nobody knew what the scenario was and yes. It was the tournament's first year in london but the tournament it existed before that with the same rules but didn't have a computerized mechanism for this extraordinary that that wasn't automated and other remember one of the all time hilarious rants from my colleague bbc radio jonathan over and who just started right aging the people that were in front of him not knowing what was going on and meanwhile i think the patriots finished match he was. I think he was hitting some balls. Would call us. Terrorists on the court whilst murray was treating. Does anybody know what's going on. Am i through Jonathan was shouting. Look these clowns with their clipboards. Tried to work it all out But i mean you know to remember it. I mean they footnote really because these problems never surfaced again the as soon as that happens they realized the things they needed to write the next year and the organization. I mean i'm slightly biased. Because they organize of the one of the brain behind it was chris commode and he's somebody. I worked with for many years at queens. But it's just exactly what he's good at it just putting on an event understanding that you could play twice a day with two completely separate audiences and impact replace out. It's not roger federer. who's on the order plan. And that's what happened so yeah it's been a massive success. You got any highlights about personal favorites. Yeah lots. I think it was interesting. The point you made about maybe we can get a bit misty eyed about the actual tennis. I think the way. I will look back on the tennis. That's been played. Is that considering the era that the atp finals where the oh to considering the players there was probably not not very high number of sort of absolute classic action that you might expect considering. This was basically the year of the big four. But i would say that every year pretty much. There was some kind of saving grace match. You know there was tended to be one epic that you remembered and i think those those matches thinking team djokovic. Last year mary. Round niche and twenty sixteen federal. Rinker twenty fourteen. It was always always some sort of epic match. Felt like but i think one of my main kind of impressions of it is i. I went to in two thousand ten. And i think the only time any tennis never been to before that was wimbledon. And i think what was so important about this event. We kind of take it for granted. Now because we're so used to it but they marketed themselves and branded themselves as completely different to wimbledon for that london audience who may have only experienced modern. And they sort of showed you. That tennis could be different. Could have flashing lights. it could have player entrances. It could have a heartbeat. And i think the show has always been incredible and they've and they've always had some some wonderful atmospheres as well Yeah i actually find myself feeling really quite sad today. it was it was. It was mainly catherine's fault because she just did such a wonderful pitch about the end of the oh to air on prime reflecting on kind of the poignancy of being there and it really did make me think this event is not getting the send off it deserves and i think part of that is because we do this much in tennis. It doesn't happen that you leave a venue that much one of the things. I love so much about tennis. Is it goes back to the same places the same physical spaces every year. And you know walking around the grounds slams or the mouse to series five hundred. You feel a sense of history and a sense of meaning and suppose. It's the same with venues theaters football stadiums. they all. They'll have some kind of atmosphere of everything that's over the performances on the moments that have happened in the past and i didn't know they kind of become a bit of the fabric and they create this character and the atp finals a been at the too long enough. That venue had a tennis character to it. When you went into that stadium you remembered the previous matches. And i love the idea of that event moving around. I think it's probably the right time. And i think it should move around but it been there long enough so many people have creative memories there and i think that was that was why. It's kind of sad to leave them behind us oppose. Yeah gosh wonderfully it has been just a vessel. Has it for the tennis in. It's exactly as he said. It's become part of the fabric of it. And i i've had i'm experiencing that real end event sadness not right now. I'm very happy to be doing. This put cost recording with even very grateful for it. Because as i was walking the very short walk from the arena. Back to the hotel is practically the same building. I had the i had a real heavy heart and she wondered if i would get that this year because usually usually that end event. Depression lull comes result of the The loss of adrenaline and the loss of energy the loss of the rush the gap from being uncertain event with seventeen thousand people. And and everything that comes with that And the answer is i mean. I'm sure it's amplified because it. It's the poignancy of the lost event lost. Its hold here in london. But i can confirm very much. Do have that end of events. Feeling of sadness. And i think that that probably tells me something about the the weak the week that i've experienced that in spite of in spite of there not being any crowds and that has made me desperately sad and it has notes that failing hasn't been alleviated over the course of the week. If anything actually it's it's got worse But in spite of thought this event has given given main energy is energized. may in its house. Give me that russia of adrenaline. That they sort of event should and Yeah i'm gonna. I'm gonna miss it this week. It's has done for this. Country is just let people know that tennis isn't just the summit it's november and that's what's been happening for the last twelve years that the country has been aware of tennis in november. Which if you considering a years time. I think cheering can be a fantastic home for us. I think that that could be a wonderful energy there. I think it's the right time for that. Country with the amounts of thriving tennis players coming out of it and the and the infrastructure. They have it. I think it can be fantastic. You know pandemic willing etc but the the effects of of it in this country is going to be significant in that. The bbc for instance are not going to cover it next year. This is the end of the bbc tv coverage of this event now at least for the time being. They don't have any plans to cover it next year. Now i'm sure it'll be wonderfully presented. Hopefully by catherine where to go on site in gironde because she did an incredible job. And i'm not saying that because she's looking at me she did But obviously terrestrial coverage is is a big deal for awareness of the sport And yeah as i said. Two hundred fifty thousand people the best part of normally come to the event in november and that was a huge boon to the sport over the last twelve years without question it. It showed people that tennis didn't have to be summer and it didn't have to be strawberries and cream and pins it didn't have to be blazes in tradition. I think there's a place for all of that. And i love so many aspects of i'm not trashing wimbledon and tradition. It's it's beautiful and it's wonderful but it is not for everyone and it's not necessarily in inclusive and i realized this. This event hasn't been the peak of inclusivity. it's still been expensive and sometimes to get to etc such a bit. It definitely has made tennis accessible in this country to completely different demographic of people i have friends and acquaintances and friends of friends. I have never even considered going to wimbledon but have come to this and that's going to be missed. All of that is going to be missed. I hope it will have a legacy. our hope. for for generation of people it will have made them think about ten and a slightly different way. But it will certainly be missed for set of memories and Yeah really cheifs that. We've we've been out of covering dinah podcasts. This week even though matt. And i were able to be on site this time. But it's great you were and to give us a real insight into what what it felt like to be there. She we on julian because he feels a bit. Dan dumb doesn't it. We do we do have one or two loose ends to to pick up from last night because you may remember. I did ask the very important question. What is a maim and of looked it up and i can tell you Mom that amine is an amusing or interesting item such as a caption pitcher video or genre of items that is spread widely online especially through social media. So they then. I went to look up in dictionary which said that. Memes are graceful exquisite entities bestowed upon us bestowed on us filthy peasants which is sporadically known to drift one into a sea of existential crises. This is also an exemplar method of eliminating depression once and for all when all was lost. Memes cured my depression. That's what the dictionary says. i'm. Catherine was a meme yesterday. Somebody has also written that they would like a medium of me asking. What is a male study memes. Now can you i think. There're of modules in university courses on memes could see catherine spikes right now Yeah i'm not sure it was a name. I have an enduring an enduring impact to be a meme we around me. Podcasts official me. Otherwise i've had a couple of people jumped to my defense about greece to the alastair cooke impersonator and also actor said david lowe tennis's right greece to his great michelle. Pfeiffer is everything can some of the songs are absolute choon hashtag cool rider. I'm not saying he's to isn't fine own decent all. Good whatever you want to call it. I'm just saying you don't talk about the grease movies. It's greece and then some subsequent related movies that may or may not be good and you may or may not have enjoyed and good luck to you if you did. That's fine but it's it's greece. Promises recently discovered tennis. Podcast which i love however the grease two discs from with to sport was a hard dr to take david. Low tennis's greasy. This is meant to be to finish on greece's iconic and to a good film riding on his coattails nobody. Nobody talks about the grease movies. It's not a thing. I'm not trashing greece to. It's an enjoyable watch. That greece stands on its own. Actually agree was the has ever been a sequel better than the original toy story two. That's controversial. I love toy story. Yes they're all great. And i'm i'm padding. Yes strongly agree with paddington. To shrek to it is yet. But these visas for levi's which i think is okay to treat as a collection bronx unlike greece and greece. T separately agreed. We're gonna shut. Yes we do. And i should say i think these are our last shoutouts of the year if if anyone is has been listening to all one hundred thirty seven episodes waiting for their shoutout and not in this next group of three. Then please get in touch and i will check my list but i think these are our last three and i should say that we still have some intros left so we will be using those remaining podcasts. If not hurt your intro yet to come this is episode. One hundred and forty. I am just able to confirm that right. Okay so the final. Three shoutouts. And i'm gonna do them as a group. They are four. Trevor lawrence barbara law and sally ann lol well to those related to maybe tehema parents for sunny. Yukio legend with a magnificent anti take. Appreciate your support and thanks mom. Does that mean you. Mom and dad contributed separately kickstarter. Mom's been set push out. Say my mom's been doing and i came into. I'm going to be big enough at show here. But i i sort of a guys them a call this morning and Said being walk in and they said we were just about to go and we thought we'd watch half the podcast before the war can half after it watch We listened to off the podcast before and half after it but then the story about the fall began halfway through and they couldn't. They couldn't leave the house until it finished. And then they said they were founded over using. So we'll hell. Trevor and barbara and also sally also in the same way. That greece and greece should perhaps free two separate entities barbara and trevor. You are greece. Sally and you were the also also great and enjoyable but separate greece. Two i think this is my favorite shoutout millions of the year. We had a great one in australia. Do you remember where where where the person who received a shoutout davidson. Oh she staying in my house factual great one. I was so confident that i had a. I had a trio of the same law family magnificent great job. I've got one additional cedo shoutout. Well no just shoutout frankly. An additional submission is not a member of the family or impostor member of the family. Their names which is why. I want to give michelle folks. I'm so terribly sorry. I was stopped by a group of people who i think. We're involved with the ball kids in the lobby. This evening as i was returning from the hotel well so was having my Poignant sad walk back from the the hotel and stays. They stopped me and astra photos. They loved the podcast and There were three of them. And i'm so so so sort of lost embarrassed in having busy having profound thoughts that i didn't ask for your names But one of them. As i as i said oh thanks so much bye. Stars is giving me a around the laws look towards the lift. I wish i'd acknowledged that because it was the loveliest thing. But i didn't know what to do that. It was so nice really say thank. You probably haven't listened this far because the minutes has been made reviewing greece. To if you have those your would and thanki we. We know that nobody's listening to the spirit so we can have a good laugh and do whatever we like Camille some mention bitty jane. Yeah because today kings seventy seven th birthday so happy birthday billie. Jean king seen videos for playing tennis on her birthday. Yes our great so bit faster But we were given some news today on billy king seventy seventh day. That was equally magnificent. Catherine the floor is yours. Well i've become a twenty twenty lockdown cliche. And i've i've got a puppy i've gone and done it folks rosie. If listening i still love you very very much. You'll my favorite but Fans of the show will know how very much i fell in love with magnus this summer in spite of his pooing live on the podcast. That's our durable. He was relieved. Show if anyone wants to go back to that moment so i i will soon be welcoming magma sister into the whisk family and she will be and is already called billie-jean because well i mean because not michael jackson basically. It's very important to say. Name does to bill jean king and not after the music of michael jackson and i'm very where a spend the rest of her life explaining that she's not named after michael jackson. But i still think it's a worth while price to pay for her being named after someone say iconic and inspirational wonderful we very much look forward to meeting berry jane and Yeah there are photos on our twitter and instagram accounts. If you led to overlook she's she's lovely so you're going to right now. That's it tennis. Podcast over the finals in twenty twenty then over for twenty twenty. Because we're going to be back next week come on. There's a big smile. Is that what it is. I thought that was a grimace. A it's a small magnificent tomorrow yup broadcasting to relieve it until we have the maton. I've got planned right very firm. Tuesday there folks definitely not monday but yes we. We're not gonna stop. We're going to be back next week and then we're going to be with you throughout december's well we are gonna be busy planning as well. Twenty twenty one which may not have an australian open in january. That means relieved is under works in my head as we speak anyway. We'll say we'll see what happens but yeah crowd. Funding campaign for twenty twenty one begins on the first of december. We have a link in show notes right now if you'd like a reminder on the day the exact moment that we send that live if you want to be at the front cue for any of the various categories that we we've got pet mascots and we've got lots of those predictions competitions and all sorts of things so yeah thanks to everybody practice over the course of this year but also just thanks. Everybody that's listened and taken something out the show and enjoyed it and sent us really nice nice notes to let us know we really appreciate it. Thank you yeah. It's it's just been a brilliant week. I think it's funny. I mean i've i've missed being the to this. This is the first one. I've not been at In its twelve years. But i've probably enjoyed this the podcast process of the last week more than the other years when we were there. Just being we've had we've had a bull. It's been amazing we have to. Douglas heard as a full ten minutes of laughing. That didn't make it in two yesterday. I can confirm that yes. That's absolutely true Yeah met catherine. Thank you so much for doing that. So i love it. I love it and we'll be back with more of them in the feature carry very soon.

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Roland Garros Re-Lived 1989: Michael Chang makes history

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46:50 min | 8 months ago

Roland Garros Re-Lived 1989: Michael Chang makes history

"Hi this is Marion Bartoli Mats Wilander. This is Mary Carillo. I'm stunned rowing. I'm letting you it. I'm Andy Murray. This is Yannick Noah. And you're listening to tennis podcast. Welcome to the fourth installment of Roland Garros Relieved and today we are going back to Nineteen eighty-nine when Michael. Chang became the youngest man in history to win a Grand Slam tournaments. He was just seventeen years ninety. Five days old Catherine Whitaker Match Roberts Myself David Law the tennis podcast team. We've been here. The last three days reliving. Some of the best moments in tennis history let alone Roland Garros history. It's been a joy so far and we've just had another enthralling few hours watching back the final Chang play against Stephan Edberg and also arguably an even bigger story the fact that he beat the world number one even lendl few rounds earlier so much drummers part of that. We're going to tell the story by speaking to Michael Chang himself. He's going to be joining us here on the tennis podcast. We're also going to talk to Stefan Edberg. The money beat in the final Catherine. This is so good isn't it? I'm loving this series. And Yeah he he is just he was an intoxicating presence wasn't a it's it's one of those things when you watch him when you think of him. I suppose you think of that match. Because that was the standout run of his life he never won another Grand Slam title but even knowing that I think reliving it brings it home to you. Just what a big deal. It was. Yeah I think if you polled tennis fans even pretty knowledgeable ones and ask them about the lentil Chang match most would probably think that was the final most for probably think that he hit that underarm. Serve the famous underarm serve. Which will hear him talking about on match point because that's the iconic mansion and that's the iconic moment and that's even even with the. The final was pretty epic itself five century against Stephanie contrast of styles that had everything but it was still completely overshadowed by what was a fourth-round Bench. That had just about as much drama as you can possibly inject into a sporting contest. Yeah Matt what was your your version of events before you knew. We would covering this in detail. What did you not about that? Yeah well up until the French Open last year. I was definitely one of those people who thought that the underarm serve was on match point of the final against Lendl. Are we on? It's like genuinely thought that was the case it's been mythicized so much and becomes and the only reason is the last year it was the thirtieth anniversary and we trying to get Corey Who's oversee coach? Now I'm trying to hit the underarm serve and it became a bit of a story last year. We will is me and yes. Yeah yeah true. I'm from. He did it in an exhibition. Yeah this you asked about it in the press conference. That was. Yeah but yes so. I think whenever I've thought of Michael Chang Chang I've always thought of this tournament obviously And in a way that's in a way that's a little bit sad to think that he did have his absolute peak at seventeen And in a way that some people talk about Ingolf if someone's won the masters they can end up being a little bit kind of over. Appreciate it maybe. The story is bigger than their career. I've I've kind of this is unfair and I probably probably women apology over. Said this out loud before but I've kind of always thought that Michael. Chang was a bit like that because this moment is so well known hidden. He's become a bigger deal in tennis than the rest of his achievements would sort of attest to but having watched it back. It is so exciting. So exhilarating and he played a brand of tennis that I didn't quite realize he played and oversee the Lendl Mac she's is iconic as well so Yeah really exciting to watch it watch it. Yeah having having watched it at the time and followed his career throughout he was a factor for decade but he never managed to quite scale the heights that he scaled on that on four nights in one thousand nine hundred nine aged just seventeen. It really was incredible now. One thousand nine hundred nine was also known for many other reasons. Not all of them happy. And as we've gone through this series you realize just how much happens in a year and Dan the years and you can't believe that some of these things that long ago the Berlin Wall came down in Nineteen eighty-nine the Hillsborough disaster took place in nineteen eighty-nine Sky television launched hence. Why a year later I was able to watch tennis for the first time outside of Wimbledon. Because my dad bless him managed to get a satellite dish before any of my mates so. I was loving. It did indirectly contribute to actually directly contributed towards me complete my exams because I was up all night. Watching tennis works out in the end. Didn't it look I'm here And Taylor Swift Anthony. Joshua and Daniel Radcliffe were born and Katherine. Wichita was three years old by then company from threes than Taylor. Swift birthdays actually make. It seem not that long ago. I kind of think of Daniel Radcliffe McKay. We think older than Harry Potter. But you look better on three years older than Taylor Swift. That was quite a year. Nine hundred nine at the French Open generally because a day before Steffi Graf who was the overwhelming favourite for the title lost to Ranchi Sanchez. Who is not really where it very well known at that point. It was a huge shock. I didn't see the match. I remember seeing the headlines. The next day. And just this picture of a Sanchez. In raptures having having won the title and and she would become a factor for another ten years as well and a career not unlike. Chang's in many ways that she was always in the conversation she got closer more often. I would say in Chiang but really it was one of those that she was always just behind but they they added so much that year and they they mugged the top players in the world because they didn't know about them and that's something that really comes across in these two matches. Let's let's take them first of all. Because Chang had got himself to the fourth round having beaten back to back Pete Sampras six one six one six one who's also seventeen years old at the time and then Francisco Roy. One of the coaches of rough on the Dow turns up against Lendl and goes two sets to love down. So you're facing even endel your six four six four down and you're seventeen playing the world number one who has won this title a couple of times and the thought that Chiang would win from there would seem ridiculous. We were two days talking to today's ago talking about how it was lendl. Who's two cents down against your McEnroe and found a way back and they really hit you hard. Don't these stories when you see them unfold? But I think there was more drama in the Chang fightback than pretty much any match chef seen in terms of just stuff. That happens stuff that he did in order to get over the line. He was moon-balling his opponent. Because he started to cramp there were there were several rallies where he just stood Chang way beyond the baseline and challenged lendl to hit wins and it seemed to frazzle the mind of even Lendl I. I'd never seen that before he. He was a veteran by the state. This five years on from that match with John McEnroe's he was no longer just on the brink of trying to become a grand slam champion. He was a season's proven champion overwhelming world number-one he'd won the Australian Open and he couldn't really handle the games. The Chang was playing with them. Yeah you will kind of watching ROBOT UNRAVEL WANT. You robot kind of malfunction. He was hitting the ball back to Chang. Which is you know the exact opposite of what you want to be doing of. I've read and watch the number of inches with the champion dot dumb on myself. That will here in a moment. And he talks about how he was waiting for lender to start hitting dropshots into start going for the angles and start playing on his his obvious depletion but he just didn't do it. He was busy busy imploding and it was. It was so evident. He you know all bull semblance of a poker face just disintegrated didn't he was. He was shouting about the quality of the court and got involved in a really heated altercation with the with the Umpire Richard. Ings during which Michael Chang actually left the court to as he says freshen up which further angered with. Great just GonNa get them just author. I it's getting and powder as you continue at Grey Wall. I'm going it was extraordinary. It's really remarkable because comeback from two sets down normally a built on physical endurance. And you know when you two sets down you know you've got a long way physically to go you know. I think we all talked about have strong. Lender was physically in his comeback in the eighty. Four five against macomer. That was the building block. Lenders Physical Strength. Allowed him back into the match. Well Chang didn't have the physical strength in this match. She was cramping he. He had to use his mind to to tactically. Beat lendl which is an incredible feat to do as well to be to think so clearly when your body is so tired and yet to kind of scramble the mind the dominant world number one is is is remarkable And he did it with the culmination that we've described of the slogan Moon Boiling Arc in the bowl back and forth towards the end of the match. He started standing on the service line and T to return half are threatening lendl a little bit like we saw Gabriela Sabatini the the other day just just giving different looks and then there was the ultimate those. The underarm serve which just took on a legend really of its own but when you actually looked at the shot itself it was a genius shop because that was. I think the best underarms I've seen of all the ones we've seen nick curious and all the other players hit. He hit it with vicious slice at the very last second. Totally disguised and lendl was flummoxed. Get off the line. I it doesn't exist so much spin on it and lendl does actually successfully return it but he he's. He's not able to get nearly enough on the ball in he. He turns his back on. And it's interesting. He doesn't the E. Sorry Lendl tens back on Chang and he doesn't. It's such a mature reaction actually as much as it's a frustration because he's not pissed off with Chang hitting the underarm service pissed off with himself. He turns his back on trying. And he's tapping at his head as he walks back as if to say if I were thinking more clearly whether he's thinking if I was thinking more clearly I would have dealt with that better or proxies. Thinking should have seen this coming. I don't know I mean it seemed so unforeseen for for everybody watching An it it was such a perfect tactic. And it's it's funny. I find the the double-faults point that was completely elicited by Chang's Service. Return of serve position. Which is a total troll. I mean he's basically basically standing on the service line to receive and Len Lendl the Ironman the mental Colossus double-faults on match point because he's completely flummoxed by what Michael Chang is I mean that's the me is almost as extraordinary moment but because the underarm serve it come before it's it's it's overshadowed. I feel like that moment could have gone down in legend in its own right. Let's find out about what Michael Chang was thinking when he made that. Play Catherine the underarm serve and how he felt about becoming the poster boy for it. Yeah I mean it's kind of interesting that there have been more underarm service hit in Two Thousand and nineteen and they're probably in any previous year at least. Certainly that was was that's been documented. Nick probably hitting maybe ninety percent of those but under the circumstances for me you know. Obviously it's completely different. It wasn't so much tactical there was to try to change something because I my fresher was going in like a week. Second serve losing points. Because I couldn't really go up. They hit a proper Sir and I only did it once and that that ended up being almost a turning point in the match because it made the match not only physical one but a mental one as well and You know situations a little bit different nowadays because some of these guys are returning so far back so you guys are using it from a tactical standpoint. Not a the as a means to an end to try to win a point because you're physically unable to perform the way that you normally are so I was down. Fifteen thirty was four three. I was up a break and I was just Kinda like you know I gotta I gotTa do something different here because otherwise I'm GonNa lose my serve again and again you know this mask could very well be over. People say well. Did you practice sadness no? I don't practice that serve so well did you? Did you think about a much? I said Yeah I've probably thought about it for maybe two seconds before I hit it and you know thankfully I was able to to win that point and to go from fifteen thirty to fifteen forty or to go thirty all. I mean. It's a big difference and obviously winning. That game was huge and giving me a five three lead in the fifth and then obviously breaking breaking upon to win six three but yeah obviously very different circumstances back then in eighty nine versus all the players that have hit it last year he can occasionally be a bit of a spiky character Yvonne. Lendl did you ever have any negativity from him after that match? I have never had any negativity from Yvonne really ever. I had constructive criticism from him. Then that actually came my rookie year in nineteen eighty eight but constructive criticism being that I had played him in an exhibition in Des Moines Iowa. He was supposed to play. Boris Becker. Boris pulled out at the last minute. So I got a phone call from the promoter asking if I wanted to go to play Yvonne and I was like Heck Yeah sure. Opportunity to plan number one player in the world. I'm sixteen years old absolutely so I went out that I played him. I absolutely drubbed. I think I lost maybe two and three and we were in the car right back to the hotel and and he was very frank with me he was like. Do you want to know why you lost today? And I'm like Sure tell me why he's like well. You don't have much of a serve you know. You don't have a whole lot of weapons your quick around the court which is which is great. But I'M GONNA be honest with you if you're going to be out here playing on tour you really gotta work on these aspects of your game. I didn't take it in a negative sense. I took it like. Wow this guy knows what he's talking about. I better I better listen. There's a reason why he's number one in the world so I went back and I started working on my service started working on my second service started working on developing more weapons and then strangely enough I ended up playing him and eighty nine in Atlanta and end up playing him again at the French Open ended up to be probably the most famous match that I will always be remembered for. Yeah to certain degree I von a little bit of. Thanks for being very open and constructive with me because I probably wouldn't have worked on some of those things as much had. He not pointed those things out but I mean post French Open Eighty nine. I mean Yvonne has always been very professional. You know the most gentlemen and talking with me practicing with me. I know and has reputation for if you hit a short ball mistakenly and practice. It's basically like he has the right to go into drill you. Many guys won't test to that. He never did that with me even though I knew he was known for that. If I haven't do certainly I would duck or move away. But he never did that to me. And and even the first time that I saw him after our matching eighty nine. I saw him at a ring One of the days leading up to Wimbledon starting and he was walking off the off of the court that little area between the the first chord and then the entrance and I was walking this way and I was like. Oh you know there's one and I was looking at my lab looking at my ride and there's no way I can really go so I I got I got a facing and he told me he just beeline straight toward me and he goes. Hey Michael you know. He put his hand and he goes. I just want to congratulate you on incredible French Open. That's well done men and I mean to me that just shows you a different side of Yvonne that people normally don't see you know normally they see the very stoic. Very serious very methodical champion on the court. But they don't see what he's like off the court and people that know him know that he's very very different always joking around and you know always talking a lot very very different than than what he is on the court. I've always had a great relationship with Yvonne you know. Even to this day you know every time I see him I will some you know a few minutes talking to him with talk about family. We'll talk about tennis. We'll talk about golf but strangely enough. I've had a question being that. Have you guys ever talked about the French Open? Eighty nine and I said no. I never talked to him on the French Open. Eighty nine and I will probably never ask him any questions. About mazing. Stories is brilliant. It was it off to visit after that full match that you started to believe that you could win the tournament. I actually didn't really think that far ahead. It was a long way to go and I knew every match was was tough by two to great clay courters in Asia and Chesnokov beaten mock villain in the quarters then obviously Stefan was playing great tennis on the clay as well. So you know. I didn't really look too far ahead but it was It was not an easy situation to play the final rounds. Because you know I did get a fair amount of that press actually after my match with Lendl because I was asked me a lot of questions and I spoke a lot about my Christian faith so I was jeered a lot on the in the remaining matches that I played Which was not easy for me especially when you never experienced that before you know it'd be seventeen years old. He he never walk out to tennis match. And people are booing you so that was really how difficult to to handle. But I certainly didn't take. Oh I got this tournament because they were there were so many great players that were still left. And you had the harrowing backdrop of what was happening in in China that the Tiananmen Square protests. Which I think did that. All happen the day before that that mental match. Yeah it did. It happen the Middle Sunday. If I remember correctly it happened. The Middle Sunday of the French Open. I think I played on the following day. How difficult was that? How PRESIDENT WAS IT in your mind. I it was very president. Because you know the events that that were leading up to the crackdown or already unfolding so all of the demonstrations all the thousands of students that were there in Tiananmen had already been building up till that that day that they had the crackdown. So I was hard not to watch you know a lot of the events unfold on TV and You know and certainly in in many aspects you you draw inspiration from that. I think being obviously Chinese you see the courage of the students that stands in front of the three tanks. Not Wavering from his position I mean you think about a tennis match and you're thinking about Oh my gosh you know. I'm cramping in the situation and and dealing with pain. I'm dealing with diversity. Well compared to what those students are going through. This is nothing. It was a very sad time for for Chinese people around the world and and I've often thought that it was God purposing for me to win the French Open because it brought a smile on Chinese people's faces during a time when there wasn't a whole lot to smile about if you were Chinese. Isn't it fascinating to hear the version of events from the man himself to things that he was thinking when he hit that? Undrawn serve the emotions that are seventeen year. Old Lad is going through on the Grand Slam final and I knew nothing catherine of the booing the he. He said he had to put up with for talking about his religious beliefs. In the press coincide I knew nothing about? Yeah as I understand it. The that booing he's referring to you wasn't during the the lentil match. It was actually subsequent to the lender match. You ever see gone. It's so much attention. Impress attention and he was asked to talk about and it was at that stage that he made the the really sort of widely distributed comments about about his faith in the fact that his his belief in in God and his belief that Jesus was there with him on the court were what prevented infants throwing in the towel. During that much one point he actually starts making the journey towards towards the net to the Empire to shake hands and he says something comes over him in a moment of if faith of of whatever you want to call it and and yeah he thinks about you know if I throw the towel in this time then I will inevitably do it another time. It will be easy for me to do it the next time and he vows to continue and he says from that moment on he kind of. It's not that he stopped cramping but he stopped feeling it to the same extent. Yeah after that much he you know he he's never been cowed tulip about talking about his faith in matter. What the what. The reaction bit from bit from fans all fellow players as quite a quite a well-documented segment and Andre Autobiography talking about Michael Chang. Pretty pretty pretty unpleasant really. Not The hasn't got a point. Why he feels aggrieved by it but it well we did out to you and you make your own mind off pieces. He he credits God for for his win. Were referring to a victory that he's good at Ragu. See which offends me that God should take sides in a tennis match that God should side against me that God should be in. Chang's books fills ludicrous and insulting. Beat Chang let me save every blasphemous stroke and he said that when he watched Agassi eventually go onto when Chang eventually go on to win the eighty nine French Open. He says I feel second. How could Chang of all people have won a slam before me? So yeah he had to face he had to face it. An awful lot and seventeen years of agent. And he wasn't as I say he wasn't cowed by the tool he. He stuck to what he believed and he he believed he had a responsibility to talk about it. He talked he described himself as An Evangelical tennis player. You Know He. He felt like that was his his purpose to spread the word through three his tennis in the profile. He gained three tennis quite a moment as well that he is open enough to to address the Tiananmen Square massacre. That took place as well and he was back then to he didn't he didn't pretend that wasn't happening. You didn't try and block it out. He had to accept exempted because it was is that important and it was that important to him and just really interesting to to listen to. His taken. Here is now in his forties. And I don't know I just I watch him on the course and I and I. I almost feel like it's a little unfair for these people of this age to be trying to trying to play on these stages and yet he also is the best moment of his career at the same time fascinating to witness and whatever the reason was that he decided not to give up in the lender match. It's a shame that that has been kind of spun negatively by Agassi that because actually what a testament not giving up. If you had given up he'd have walked out on the what turn out to be the career defining match of his career Yeah I I just find it a bit of a shame really to To that yeah also interesting. That not only did he win a grandson before Andre Agassi one one before Pete Sampras and Jim Courier and actually it was interesting that at the start of the NBC will cost for the final. They were kind of lamenting speak drought of American. Men's tennis with no wanted WANNA slam said macaroni. Eighty four so coming. Up to five years and now oversee. We're in drought of seventeen years. No America man winning a slam. It's interesting how that that has changed. But yeah this did seem to be the start of of the changs and then Sampras courier and Agassi who one slams what within two or three years of this So seems to be a warning. Sign that the young Americans were coming. Well Yeah I mean the the opening to to La Times piece about about Chang's win says the hasn't been a real American tennis hero since one thousand nine hundred eighty five the last time in American man ranked number one on the computer or maybe nine thousand nine hundred eighty four. The last time in American male took a grand slam title and the last time American made it to the finals in the prestigious International Davis Cup competition. No one has quite fit the bill not even lendl who only lives in America not John McEnroe who used to be the best and not Andre Agassi. Who looked like he could be the best dot dot dot last year which I found incredibly poignant of where where American tennis and is interesting. Jim Courier is actually probably of that group of of American men that carried the flag for so long. He was probably the most generous towards towards Michael Chang and he credits Chang in that win with with giving the rest of the belief that it could be done he said we recognized very quickly after Michael One that French Open that. It was not an insurmountable task. Something something that seems so far away was right in front of me at that point because they would have been training together coming together and taking it out in the juniors etc the the final that Chang played against Stephan Edberg He. He beat Ronald Anchin. Or and Andre. She hasn't cover in order to get to the final face. Edberg who was the quintessential serve-and-volleyer Chip Charger Beautiful grass-court game also translated really well to hard courts. He would go on to win the US Open twice. He'd won two Australian opens both on grass. He would win Wimbledon twice and here he was in the final and he was the favourite. He was the favourite to beat the seventeen year. Old Kid who was surely on his last legs and chain gets off to a great start. Plays upset electrifying. Tennis in the first set Edberg wins the next to really seems to step on the accelerator with the power of his ground starts at Saint to me. And he's all over the net is near me. He is the most athletic perfectly proportioned athletes who just seems balanced at all times and it doesn't feel when he's playing well. It doesn't feel that there's any way past him or over him at the nets and he went two sets to one up against. Chang and didn't win it was. It was a brilliant match for first and foremost great contrast in styles. But again I mean lendl feels like the story the win over Lindell because of so many reasons but two sets to one down and he does it again and from an EPO perspective. You talk about ones that got away. Or what if moments at one the other three slams and he was he was up a break in both the fourth and fifth sets against Chang in this show and final altogether. You had twenty five break points in the match and converted six and there's a there's A. There's a couple of games in the fourth set where he gets multiple breakpoints in a row. You know he's not just getting one time he's got two or three. It's a little bit choky has to be said especially especially the forehand which we commented on a lot when we were watching the match together and you were saying David in those pressure moments at burkes technique on that four really did cost him throughout his career. That's that's that's a that's a flattering spin on what David said about the full hand. What did I say he was having a good day complimenting it because it's the stuff of not not say great legends the at four hundred and that is by extension a huge compliment if the rest of the rest of his game? He was as great as he was with a poor shot in his arsenal. But so I was expecting to be decidedly unimpressed. By the both four hundred thirteen final and by and large was not rubbish. Had a good game and Dave Dave. I said on quite impressed with his four hundred Matt said the same. It looks funky stroke but it was proven quite effective and David role desires and said with all respects. He's probably having his best day ever on the four hundred but I didn't I didn't ask him about did ask him about the the occasion more generally and what his memories are of that nine hundred ninety nine friendship and final. This is one of the occasions. One of the matches that I get reminded about still today Which is quite amazing. Bickers I do remember the measure. Of course if there is another much your would have replayed again or maybe one or two points pictures looking back. I mean I think. Stunned a lot of people. Mike Are Getting to the finally beating year. Yuban Landau hitting underarm service. So so there was quite thing at a time and I I remember going into the final. I really felt that this. This is a great opportunity out the things. Maybe didn't start off so well losing the first set. But then I gained momentum. Two sets to up probably had nine or ten break points in the fourth set and I can still remember a point where I sort of. Us waiting to hit my Beckham for winner thinking hitting cross cultural down the line s missed the line by a couple of centimeters that would have given me the break and probably would've given me the matches while so it was very very close But at the same time very frustrating to lose that much in five and honestly. I believed that I would get another chance to win the French Open but at neither happened so thinking back. Yeah it was tough to lose. That's fine because there would have been great to have the thunder your belt but at the same time. I Guess Michael is very happy today. Do you think you you lost your nerve a little bit. Not necessarily it's You know it's probably one or two points. That really made a different in that much as I can recall on the really blew my chances in the four. So it's not like a had one or two breakpoints up Like I said nine ten on and to get a break in the full. Serve them when you have the momentum. Your chances of winning is gonNA be a low tire but at the same time when when I lost four certain then you're in. The v South for match on that a lot of things can happen going into fifth south and obviously he got the best start in the fifth he got the momentum and he never looked back. So this is This is what. Tennessee's it can always turn on a dime. You know within a minute or two match can change. And that's what's so fantastic about tennis as a game. It's never never really finished until the last point is played that night when you you decompress you got to bed. You leave Paris action. Is that your toughest. Fate thinking back is one of the toughest but at the same time I didn't feel as bad off the final Imperishable obviously I was very disappointed. It was not the end of the world really SORTA or get another opportunity But you know life goes on US tennis player but the then we went onto play wind on under not lost another final to narrow loss to Boris in eighty nine into Wimbledon final. I actually felt worse of the death. Much in nineteen eighty nine diverted when loss to Mike. Let the French Open. So that was the toughest moments I feel. Lost final against Losing two Grand Slam finals in a row within two months. Not a great feeling because it does make such a big difference when you come out as a winner. That's what people remember. That's what will Where you can read on the board in the previous winners It's pretty tough as tennis. The winner takes it all. And that's what people remember so Stephan Edberg here on the tennis podcast. And I think that's probably as close as you will get to him. Admitting to something being his toughest defeat of his career. I mean that that clearly stunk. Probably more in hindsight than anything else because as he says that he thought he was going to get another chance and he he didn't like McEnroe. We're talking about a couple of days ago. Except McEnroe knew he wouldn't get another chance at neath moves proven right but yeah. Edberg off to that just reached his best results after eighty-nine nine at the French risk quarterfinals In Ninety one ninety three so he never really even came. Came close again. Whereas Chang Chang reached the final ninety five leasing to to Mr say. Although he'd been an another slimy did have success. I mean yeah there is something completely infectious about watching volume have success on clay is now. I would love if if he did have a a French Open. I'd love if McEnroe had a friendship. And and there was Becca Bekka Final Sampras had sent me they just couldn't court yeah it's I guess that's what makes it special. That's that's what makes courts Tennessee's classroom as as Mary really. Put it that it is. It's so prized and take so much resilience and intelligence. I think to win that title. I mean that's something that I've got a couple of quotes from from fellow players about Chung John McEnroe's talking about how strong he is mentally and this was before he won that title. This was people talking about him. As as a potential champion sort of medium to long-term future. Joe mcenery says Listen Skies Mentally unbelievable for his age. Chang is very very strong mentally An author rash said if Michael Chang. He's easily the smartest young player I have ever. Seen is an intuitive sense. I can only compare to a chess prodigy at age nine. You see him do things on the court you would expect to see from someone who's been on the tour for years and it was such a clever performance from Chine against that Burg. You know the way he was taking. He was practically hopefully returns to try and deny at the time to get up to the net. I mean still at seemed to be a towering over the net in in the blink of an eye but it was. It was such a great great performance for Michael Chang especially the first hour of that final Chang played by how Multon and ahead of his head of his time his tennis locked because he was taking the ball early and as you said taking the net away from Edberg he was the aggressive player and that is so difficult to do. What is he five foot nine? Chang got these serves kicking up above. He's happy he's taking them early playing aggressively and that was just. That really took me back. Because you know what I've read about. Chang is that he's a defensive player counter puncture and I think he probably was in his career but he had the he had the now to know that he needed to take it to Edberg on that court and play his and not allow it both play his game. Edberg eventually got into the match. Did stop dominating the net and doing everything that made him so great but then Chang monies to turn the table on him again. In the fifth set it's It's one of those matches where it really pays to watch the whole thing. Because you see the ebbs and flows and and sort of changes tactics both players had to make it was really fun and often the slightly lazy analysis. I find if China's a tennis player is the whole pound for pound. He was the greatest ever Weiner. Howdy just been a few inches taller. He would have been a multi. Multi Grand Slam. Champion is doing. I think that misses the point about China completely. Which is that. He used his height and his stature is greatest weapon his speed he was. He was the fastest around the lead known his ability to get low and take the bull early. He used it to to He. He made it a strength which is incredible and saw what saw in that run perfectly encapsulated his career when he was at his best. Though is that you didn't know what was coming from. Shot to shot. It wasn't just. I think it would be reductive to say that. He just played aggressive tennis. He would play aggressive tennis. When it suited him he would pick his moments to just rally rally rally and then pull the trigger and he was on you And you did not know when it was coming and particularly. You didn't know it was coming when the guys seventeen you've never heard of him or you've played him. Maybe once or seen the odd match here and there and there he is against two of the most established players in the world and he won the mental battle against both of them and he won. The tennis badly took the best that they'd got. He was two sets to love. Down Against Lendl. Two sets to one down against Edberg didn't go away and eventually he ended up controlling the pace of the rallies. The way they were going and I find that electrifying. When you see a guy who's five foot nine inches tall and who is capable of counterpunching and doesn't just bring it on every shot he just decides right bang and it was just great to see and I think we will. We may will cover another of his matches in the future from the US. Open or somewhere like that because he did have some great runs. He was just a great feature of that era of tennis. But this was the moment nineteen eighty-nine. This is the moment that we will all remember him for in the long run because he was younger than anybody who's ever won a grand slam title on the men's side which is a record. Could well stunned for for quite some time. Quite some time. A look people think. Tennis is cyclical and the Times of Teeny bopper champions Daily Express headlined by Malcolm fully. Cooled Michael Chang. The time that these times might come around again but they feel it feels like the direction of travel is moving away from that. If in champions are getting older is the game becomes more physical. It becomes more and more difficult for for a teenager to win. Seven best defies. That much is always interesting on when a player peaks in that career because I think the assumption is that when someone wins a slam so early on in their careers that they will probably do it again because they've got their whole career ahead of them and they kind of know how to do it but something asakusa talked about that. Actually once you know what it takes to win the slam doesn't necessarily make it easier because you you now hard it is and it takes. It takes a particular mindset and mental strength to to a build yourself up to do it all over again and to be a repeat winner and I think that's probably why there are a lot of one time slam winners. Who won quite young because it can actually work against you in a way because it because you know how hard it is and oversee. Chang meets a couple more time fun but was never quite to get over the line overseas thinking. He's thinking so clearly in terms of his own court strategy in these matches but maybe not taking in the whole moment of how big it is and then oversee that with experience he comes to realize and then it's harder to get over the line they want I always find that interesting. Insensitive kind of the opposite. Someone like brinker who won his first lay managed to get some more because he hasn't hasn't got that whole career ahead of him. I just think is different perspective when you win your first slam late in your creative compared to early on. I asked a Steph ed as well whether he'd expected then. Chang to go on to win more Grand Slams and he said I would have done yeah he perhaps lack a little bit at the at the vital moments but but yeah the probably thought he wouldn and he he he maximizes. He tried everything he could. He he played with a link racket for a while to try and get more on his serve which was a little bit controversial at times. He definitely is was explaining with that chat around about things. Leonard said to me try to inject more into his game. There was no stone left unturned really in the career. I don't think of Michael Chang. And he's leftist. Would one of the great memories lender is like the the original not one negative face from the from the Labor told what to do by your bike great in the game. Actually he He did manage to execute. Did it so that we are a fourth edition of running Garros Relieved here on the tennis? Podcast we've got many more of them coming your way every day of when the French Open should have been going on this fortnight. If you're enjoying them do your friends know about these shows now. Four in the archive. We've had Yannick Noah his interview. We'll have his full interview in a few weeks. Time really is fantastic interview. I think that from Yannick Noah. We've got the WE'VE GOT. John McEnroe against even in the archives the haunting of John McEnroe that match that will never leave him from nine hundred eighty four and yesterday. We had the rivalry. Chris Evert Against Martina Navratilova. Now tomorrow we're going to be back again with one of the Best Finals. I've ever seen at the French Open between Monica Seles and Steffi Graf from Nineteen ninety-two cut white to bring that to you. Can't wait to relive it quite honestly. I haven't watched it in its entirety since the day. I saw it twenty eight years ago. 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US Open Day 2 - How did Andy Murray win that?

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US Open Day 2 - How did Andy Murray win that?

"Hi, everyone before we start our US Open Day to podcast, we just like to send our best wishes to call a Suarez Navarro. The former world number six who's revealed today that she's been diagnosed with Hodgkin's lymphoma. Carla had been hoping to play the US Open this her final years tennis professional but she's been forced to withdraw from it after feeling unwell she. Said on social media channels that she underwent some tests to try to find out what was wrong the condition has been detected early she said, but she will now undergo a six month course of chemotherapy. All of us at the tennis podcast will keep collar in our thoughts over the next few months and we wish her a full recovery as soon as possible. This is Marion Bartoli a massive lander. This is Mary Carillo. I'm son winker online your I'm Andy Murray. This is Yannick Noah and you're listening to the tennis podcasts. Right Okay Day to the US Open. How on Earth did Andy Murray do that Catherine? He's just one from four, six, four, six, one, three down. How has he done that somebody explained to me Name Messing with the lewd tonight is the plum street in the deepened. Question isn't it? I mean what's going on? Well, they said to two women who we had to know primarily a CEO Tim. If you had to attribute that combat come back to one thing and one thing I think we're on a time limit. What would it be and he said halt. I think I mean obviously, that is that that is a word that covers a broad spectrum of things all of them are. Totally embodied by Andy Murray persistence to nasty doggedness stopping this. But obselete hot is what got him through a very bizarre tennis match today I mean I'm sure in the annals of time we remember the witness of if the match that will suitable fade away and we'll remember the school line in the emotion whatever ends up coming in the aftermath, but it was a It was a rookie right of a tennis match for for a long time. someone on twitter said that there was once a racehorse who died and when they cut the race open they realized he had a heart that was bigger than any other race horse in history and that feels like the kind of thing that might happen with Andy. Murray one day. That's a morbid take on them on a very joyous occasion for Andy. Murray. But it is one of those things isn't it? Because we think of Mary is so relatable and yet. On occasion like this, we I genuinely have no idea how he does something like that. It's it's thrilling to watch but I, come explain it. He operates on a different level of guts and defend defiance and resilient to what I'm capable of even imagining. In the you say that was a bit move it but didn't the encore interview immediately off the match the first question was Andy. We buried at the Australian Open last year and yet he He was just an alternate set of on the sports accidental turn of phrase unfortunately most well, we'll maybe fortunately a lot of these faces obscured by a mask, but I would quite like to have seen his full facial reaction to the declaration that he'd been buried the tennis community. Hopefully hopefully, we're looking at about fifty years down the road a sixty or something like that for. To have this. This forensic analysis. David Lewis let's get out of this. Yeah. Let's do that. Tell you what I think. We have just a bit of history in order so that we know exactly where we are with the Sandy Murry story. This is a man that was supposed to retire twenty months ago and. He didn't he went and had a hip surgery he went and had a new metal, hip. He then made a comeback and the combat went really well, and he won't doubles clean said he played mixed doubles with Serena Williams, at Wimbledon and then he went on won the singles title in Antwerp and it was just amazing and then he looked like he was hitting the buffet Z. looked like he was in real trouble when he had the complications and what was it called it the impingement of the joint with which which was think caused by sort of spare type thing on the hip and is causing all sorts of trouble didn't play the Australian Open this year I personally thought he was probably finished really at that point for. Twenty time. And slow behold he comes back place last week in Cincinnati Stroke New York has those two great wins over Varun Ti and then. Lost didn't look great against Manashe rich but comes into this match and a half to say I felt pretty sheep pretty. Confident on his behalf I thought he would. He would have struggle against a very good player world number forty, eight Yoshito Nishioka from Japan. He's twenty four years of age Manu beat Dan Evans. The Australian Open, this year, and who just has one of those really solid sprightly games left handed can hurt you but can also stay in rallies and for an hour and a half. He made Andy Murray. Look terrible Andy Maryland made himself look terrible and At that point I said on the radio and I know I said it on the radio because the BBC sport website copied and pasted my words into their text portal and I, got seventy four negative votes as a result of the words that I added which were Four six, four, six, one, three, headlined. He may not be able to do this anymore and I said this is one of the worst performances I've ever seen from Andy Murray to Grand Slam. He's got a metal hip, and he may not be able to do this anymore but looking at this having covered. So many of his matches I've never seen anything quite like it before past is not feeling very well, I, expected to see a fight tooth and nail his opponent is good and I thought he could cause problems but I expected it to be hyper competitive and Murray would win but it's not even close. And I stand by every single word that. which is all I don't think that that's how I felt an I still believe it now I think. Maybe I feel a bit naive given the guy I'm talking about. But yes again, he's made a complete. Me Just couldn't be happier just to clarify, David, your commentaries now getting live voted on sort of big brother style turns out. That's quite a development. How many profession up votes were their forty one, forty, one mile say. In the minus numbers unfortunately. The Best Tamara. Heart rate for anybody who cares about Andy Murray's fortunes, and there would have been lots of people reading. It was a hard watch. It was a really hard. What is interesting? Also his his uncle interviewing, he repeated it in A. Short interview he did with with awesome on prime. And the shortness of it. Kind of told you everything he he thanked us at the end keeping it short because on the it left into. To muster anymore words frankly we'll come onto to that more in a minute, but he said he will miss was overthinking. The step up to best defy tennis he was hyper aware. Of How long has it been since he played a five-set tennis much of course it was it was that much I think five hundred, ninety, six days ago against Roberta about good out the Austrailia Been Twenty nineteen and that was a was an unusual match for him. It's not like he was playing tons of Grand Slam tennis five-set much as before that you know he's not accustomed to playing that foam game anymore and he seemed to imply it almost over saw the kind of marathon, not a sprint element over and he was trying too hard to conserve energy in those apron couple of sets he was. Hyper aware of the fact that he would need energy for later on in the match. But didn't it's like you know setting for ten thousand mates race in with with with great. Kick in in the last eight hundred meters but living yourself get get laps eight times in in the meantime. So you've got you got no hope of catching up no matter how good you kick is he it looked like it that it get away from him and he was so flat and so lacking energy he needed to well as it turned out, he didn't because somehow he he fought his way through but he needed to. Deploy his energy perhaps a little more evenly over the course of the match. Flat is the word I think to describe those first two sets in it. It felt as well anticlimactic, and I wondered whether Mary. Thought that because this was his big Grand Slam. Return in singles and yet he's playing empty thrash. Stadium and there was there was just no energy in the match at all and to be honest I probably underrated Shahida. Nishioka I thought this would be a tough match Randy Murray because I thought it would be physical but I didn't expect could to be able to completely outplay Andy Murray from the back of the court, which is what he was doing and the I two sets he's got an incredibly wicked left arm and he can maneuver the ball around the core construct points really intelligent and. As I think, Mary doesn't rate a lot of the next gen players I reckon he would really appreciate and lightness Michio Kaku style. There's a bit of a bit of Andy Murray in terms of what he's doing on the course. Very intelligent. I think he would say appreciate what a competitor years as I don't think they think Andy Murray enjoys being sort of matched for competitive spirit on the core and initiate corrupts lately was doing that he's an terrier was needless of Ninja terrier. just in it. Every single moment it was kind of Nidal, like times. I found that fascinating what you've just related about the interview because I haven't heard. I hadn't heard that interview. I didn't hear the on court interviews, but that really adds up to me. Now we were trying to work it out during commentary what what's going on why is he so flat and I thought I sort of speculated that a little bit light when we were watching Novak Djokovic last night matt that he was just kind of almost feeling is opponent out give him a chance to spy see what he's got, and then work out the best angle of attack and. And it seemed like he went through a couple of phases neither one of them words one of them were staying at the back of the court with him. The other one was trying to bully him and really Muslim off the court with some really big kissing and this year it was good enough to handle both styles of play but. As, it happens we we couldn't work out I couldn't work out why he wasn't getting where was the rottweiler? Where's the anger? Where was the animal and him and he was keeping it all inside for the sake of pacing himself. I've found that how many five-set matches he played over the years that's extraordinary. I can't tell you that I can tell you a lot. Mike until you number but I, can tell you. How many times come back from two sets to love down in his career and that is ten times and the the US Open alone it's four times and. I don't know how many times. Players who have played a similar number of matches to him would have done that. But it it instinctively sounds like a lot to me that I think it's level with Federer and I think it's more than both know dull and Jackovitch? He's a wonderful advert for compartmentalizing points in games. I fail and just. In terms of a comeback, you don't. Want to come back with a long term view. You just have to do it a bit at a time and and win little little mini battles and his ability to do that, and all these top players I just I just blown away by that this is speaking blown away were those Federal Nidal Jackovitch comeback from two sets down starts from the top of your head, Matt. Yes. Yes. That is. I, mean, there's no verification. Correct. Let's hope. That was Andy Murray like. We do we do a daily newsletter folks which you can receive in your inbox every single day and they always include matt stat and also are rubbish predictions to begin. He writes I don't even. Think He. What did you like minute? This is some reason Venus Venus Williams to be caroline a mover and at the moment. Having changed it because I thought initially. And then now that we're on tap in Venus's four down. So, that's working out well. What about you? What did you get for today? I went for Yanic sinner to be Karen Hash Nov and it was almost. A prediction of absolute triumph. Was hilarious. To love up and then seem to develop the back injury just to taunt me and then and then. And then lost two sets very very quickly, and then sort of his back seemed to heal itself and I was all excited again and it went to no no much shaky said I'm interpreting this from live schools Matt says, well, I mean he had a full body malfunction the man could not. And yet, he somehow managed to get into a fifth set tiebreak again against she still couldn't leave in the fifties. Tiebreak action of hitting it straight to him I was I was. In the screen, why are you hitting it to him and yet he just couldn't was like a magnet. The bowl was just going straight to wherever yanic inner walls and sinner literally siebel smack ball he was he has no intention of being involved in any rallies whatsoever he was hobbling around he got a time violation because he physically couldn't get to the baseline in time to serve because he was in too much pain at one point in the fifth set, and yet it still managed to go to a tiebreak, but eventually action of did win it. Himself had a medical time out during the match it was. It was quite extraordinarily. So if you want to receive the newsletter. Predictions you can go on our show notes links in there that scenario does sonic the very definition of unpredictable. Yeah. Defense. Man. That stat today was relaying the details a fifty eight breakpoint record of Cameron or yesterday in the US Open history and you actually unearthed the all time record at grandsons which fifty nine break points. So one more where was that again that that was the twenty eleven. French, open the very the very unmemorable match between heavy multi and Albert Ramos last but there were fifty nine points in it apparently. To be fair emotional anyone that's not camera Nori. ooh Diego. Schwartzman. Fans necessarily ever consider yesterday's match memorable either. Norrie. Was the most. Upset about creating that record everybody it sounds. didn't sound impressive without a all. While, we're on stats and camera nourian Andy married. We should probably give the one that has been doing the rounds today and are you saying it a lot on Amazon Prime Catherine the that's four British men into the second round of the US Open for the first time since one was at nine, hundred, seventy four. Nineteen seventy-four yes, Catherine is a belt absolutely. Regional. Accepts climate automatic Stud Sky came up with it whether it was a max original. I don't know it saves doing around but yell claiming great I have to say when when Don Evans minutes to get his win today and Judy Mary was sent next to me I did edge did just twig that you'd said that early on in the day on on Prime I didn't actually name all prime for just so said about the you do that's the first time for British men are into the second round of the US Open since the seventies and she goes, oh, that's good. So. All the credit will I waited you without critising E as well on a Well, ahead you say on five live this is a love and isn't just sort of enjoying one another's work. I had Ucla Five Live that. The school line up until the full set was an exact mirror. Avandia Murray's lost Grand Slam match against Rebecca about the. Australian. Come, full circle. Lovely from tennis podcast, twitter I gotTA. Tell you didn't. Critising anyone. CAST twitter. All let's just go back. WHO's only Mary plane now? Felix hoosier Elliott seem of Nexgen. And he had an epic there was a moment where it looked like we might be getting Tiago Monteiro versus Nishioka rather Andy Murray was. Seem but we have got that match doesn't have quite the same rings. We. Well we were need. We run allowed to say loud we we will also need to to to you questions, Randy Marino in fee with him, and of course, we're told that we sort of. Bristled. Bitten rolled arise, and then Andy Murray sat down and we thought Okay seems only kind. We should keep this relatively short. Feel bad about asking him warn. Anything. Until yeah. And he was. I don't know for sure that he'd been been crying and if he had then I'm quite sure that fatigue was a massive factor in that but. There was. It was definitely as voice was Ross be, and there was a lot of lot of emotion was thick with emotion There was definitely a little a lot going on there. He said he'd been inundated with messages and. He he does get overwhelmed by these moments. He's very aware of the momentum civile lend the. The policy of time I suppose in the significance of if these moments. So see we only had a couple of questions So we didn't get a chance to all him about how much you didn't get a chance to get him to confess as to how much he relishes the opportunity to put the next Gen. In place because we know that he does I just wanted to say he's A suspect he would probably like Phoenix Oj. Is. Still in Prince's listen still in principle will want to. Just put in. Sham Sham what it's all about you know did you you are? So. Lovely way. So anyway does that to look forward to in a couple of days time if I mean that's assuming that Andy Murray Felix are fully fit. Of course I mean that that you know he he he's fate got a battering today. Didn't he didn't they Andy Miami tennis players fatal gripes with the Best Times but When he stopped his talent took his socks off. I mean I to avert my eyes. Yeah, which is quite difficult because spidercam trying to give you the most intrusive and revolting close up of it for A. Prolonged period of time it was. Horrendous I was quite encouraged by what Mary. said in his press conference, which was that oversee the comparison came up to that Battista match that we've mentioned at the twenty nine, thousand, nine Australian Open and he said after that match that it was actually a relief that he didn't win because there was no way. He would have been able to take the call into his time because he was just in so much pain and his head was thronging and. He sort of did a comparison to how he how he thinks. He's going to feel sort of now compared to how he was feeling then and he said. The. Difference is night and day and he's social feeling much better. Now he's going to get a good night's sleep whereas he wasn't even able to sleep look in eighteen months ago because he was in so much pain and I mean. You know he's been so used to. Being on the tennis court and physically hurting over the last three years when every step on call he's he's been pain and he's now in a position where not only is the general quality of life better. But he's on a tennis court and not being in too much pain either I mean there's obviously the usual aches and pains but it's nothing that is nothing that I don't think he can put up with and kind of deal with and it's it's such a massive transformation. That's really encouraging and long continue. Yeah my mind always goes back to that image. You Describe Catherine when you were interviewing him back that's Australian Open when he couldn't get on the stool properly in order to be interviewed by you and I think that that just sums it up. To a you just how what about state he was in well thankfully seems is in a way now and he could meet down Evans in the third round. Evans today beat a player whose name I am really struggling with and I'm trying really hard to. To say correctly and we we played over and over on the website that the sound fall they give you and I still can't say it do not state math. Put me on the spot they can you give us Auto Tiago? Say It's it's apparently well, it reads it reads Sabbath willed or wild but when he says it's IAGO Xybernaut. And I cannot even say what the third word is I just I just can't make it out to anyway. she we started calling him xybernaut. She took about. A certain Finnish tennis player will we will be on this particular coldest hack. Yes. Okay. Here's. Evans, one by the way in three sets and he was good and. It meal meal ru? Suv Ori-. Who Be? Better night today he has he has four us in his surname. In a ten letter surname four of US yeah. Anyone got to be a rally. We really need to know how to say that because I think he might be really really good. I think I think it's it's it's pressing matter. To nail that. I'll tell you what I think Tiago is going to be pretty good on the players well, a story win that's ornament in Rio. Earlier this year he's he's very talented. So we're going to have to learn that one as well. Now does not as talented as Dan. Evans. Apparently. Not, today. So. Anyway. Third Round will it happen? That's the big question we. Yacht he'd done. Evans. Plays in the second round didn't think Muti over. Know in our press conference in Aura interview with. A couple of hours ago now he said, oh he he'd you think a win that and I was expecting a you know not sure you know both quite pricey. Six four, six, four so far. Current Tom you take today that way. So there you go and early on after that, we had Serena Williams one through seven, five, six, three today, and she was a break of serve down in the second set against Christiaan. Compatriots pretty good result surrender isn't it and the fact that she did it without expending too much. It's the first time. She's played a two setbacks since she came back from the lockdown and she was joking about that afterwards saying that it's the first time she's WanNa. WanNa straight-sets Max since the nineties was her was sort of timeframe just just an indication of how much I think it's been on her mind that she's not been able to win these matches. Comfortably she was. Quite off her game the Star I. Think she was a breakdown early on and by the end I thought she'd really settled. It was actually playing quite nicely and it was quite a it was quite a comfortable victory in the end and I think she could probably. Play at that level for around two more and be fine in this tournament. Before. She will need to absolutely raise it in the latter stages. But Yeah I kind of encouraging encouraging star I think for Serena. Louis Armstrong is the co you wanted to be own. If you wanted inefficient day because whilst Andy Murray took four hours, forty minutes for his match Louis Armstrong got through four matches pretty much got McGrath is six, four, six, four, hundred now be. Dominant team was two sets up when Gentlemen Muna retired Sephardic Kenan six two, six, two of Ianina Wick. Ma and Madison keys six, one, six one of the Tomato Babaoshan they're already in two sets down with Dimitrov leading. Tell me Paul at the moment so. Very quick over there. Another epic for OJ seem against Monteiro. Any other big matches that we should talk about today. Contour Watson, I suppose we should cover from a British perspective and that I said was bonkers because. I saw I mean we going on at the same time as Murray but I noticed that concert was serving for the set. Then she wasn't then she was set point down several times and then she won the set. Watson served for the first set and also held a three set points six three in the tie-break. So I think that. She. And she looks she. See, she had a rotten record against a concert coming into that much. Three times I played she'd never beaten. There was really not lot on paper to suggest that Heather Watson might really even make much of it. So I was pretty impressed with her today actually in and. I know Joe. Played down in advance. The strangeness of playing a compatriot but she did admit often mattress the admitted to us on prime that it is all quid and. I think she. Thinks she's a player that tend to prefer to keep things at a fairly impersonal on court around her tennis and the the you know she she told us that Heather Watson is one of the British. Players that she's closer to get some better with I. Don't think that's that sits particularly comfortable. With concert terms of her becoming an opponent for the day. So I was I was impressed with them both if that makes sense a, it was definitely a relaxed Joe concer after the match elster out. Well just life in the bubble as because I knew she really likes New York and likes Manhattan, and that's she's she said in the Post that she feels that the contributing factor to the success she's had A. Over the years. So said. was the bubble like by comparison expecting her to kind of say. Yeah it's okay. You know and she says Oh it's like a cruise ship is really weird feels like we're sort of bobbing around on. The Lam Ocean with no way out and. It really. It really was a cure for my mom because she made it sound really awful. CEOS quite quite amusing ready and a nice to see her in. In that kind of made a space, it was really nice interview that I often think when. When you can hey, joe to speak, it can be occasionally a little bit like reading court management speak where you understand the words but you didn't necessarily feel like you've come away really understanding what she's always talking about she. You know she talks about processes a lot and I just think it's quite difficult to understand if you'll not in her in a circle and kind of understanding how her mind works. But she was really open in that interview with you and just incredibly. Just seem quite relaxed and. She's one of those players come to. Who? When, I was making my you know my quarter-final predictions for this tournament. She was one of the most confident picks had that I was. I was quite show that she was going to do well in this tournament and I think that's because she had. Such a good showing in. The Western southern open, all her pass Grand Slam good runs have come off the back of some excellent form just beforehand when when she did at the French Open, she pay well at Roman. Wimbledon. She'd probably well at Eastbourne nothing and I think she's such a momentum plan and she's got that momentum at the moment and It doesn't feel like she's going to let go of it I I. I'm confident whenever she steps on the court that she's going to play well, and I think that's I. think that's reflected in house she's talking and sounding and. Yeah, I think I think there's a real opportunity for this this fortnight she's got Kostanic. St-, which is which is not about droid in Costa is a good player from Romania, She Christina. Mikhail. But I think if conscious on she will she wins that match the the woman would concern me looking at the way things are going I mean Venus. Williams is always a very good player. We know that she's one of the great railway, but she's a set down to this county in America who I could imagine Colson Qatar trouble too. So apply she looks like, yeah, I think once carrying of agrees in confidence and self belief she's going to be. A force I her in my. Top Ten at the start have started the in, which is Poe Punchy. I recognized that Punchy I've been that's off the hook by the fact that there's already going to be an top ten. Return somewhat relieved by actual Caroliina is quite ready see. Deliver on. On the promise that I've bestowed upon her but I do think she's the real deal and she's got Scott big weapons. She's got variety. She's she's got the brain. I think she could just yes to get over. Get a couple of have a COUPLA moments have a couple of really big wins get on a roll, not to to give it a belief in the confidence and make feel like she belongs I do think Mika varies is the real deal Q. Venus Williams. Well. You'll all know the rules no doubt by the time you're listening to this but that we are that gives you the most up to date. We have things just the moment anything that needs tying up from tonight's play will come to you with tomorrow and we were in that situation. Last night matinee were keeping an eye on soccer and she ended up winning but it was three sets. It's pretty tough for against MISAKI DOI and no real sign mass from what I saw of the hamstring issue she looked to me. I agree when I was watching, I was quite encouraged by the way she was moving and looking I was slightly more concerned by what she said afterwards where. She said that the leg wasn't feeling great and she's going to have to see how she feels in a couple of days time and normally plays a keen to play down any injury. She was quite open about the fact that there is still a problem there and I definitely think that's the biggest concern with a socket because I think she's playing really really good tennis Misaki Doi pushed yesterday and and played well herself. But ASAKA ASAKA raised a game in the important moments when she needed to and she's got these, she's got these gears that she can go into and for me she's one of the most. Satisfying to walk sh when she's hitting the ball has she is at the moment we should. So cleanly at sexual such a satisfying feeling to watch a strike, a tennis ball and I really really hope that her leg is not going to To hinder his tournament play 'em I. Am a little concerned still. Yeah I. Mean You you. You do hope she doesn't have a lack hindering her in this tournament. Both things you're gonNA, win this ornament, and that's what you said and you predictions. So she you. Has not been my friend predictions wise safer. But for completely impossible to predict injuries, I'd be a be riding high ish sort of. I was big up my injuries SC. Good idea you. Just gets you out of trouble. Did, you know by the way that there's going to be a Scandinavian Darby in the second rounds between. Christian Ruud is that right? Christians his. Dad. Nineties David Guetta over it. From back when I was around when I was on the toll as a communications manager Christian Ruud was Thing and his son is now a thing and yeah, the Scandinavian Darby pits, West Casper route from no way no way no way. Yeah he's playing the finish. Starlit who was born who was born in Nineteen, thousand nine. I mean. Sickening Emil how do we say this? Is We've? We've been here before Roussev were on Roosevelt. Now, it's just it's just you know the fact that they're playing each other quite interesting. The PA- League semifinal isn't it? Yeah. That was a that was A. Copy. W-. Associate that. Yeah. All going social against. Manages Against Yeah F C Copenhagen. And then manager. Danish. Thing. It was the thing. The tennis podcast listeners did not know that we're getting that tonight today. But that's what I've got. Right. You want to know what's happening tomorrow. Yup. Okay Arthur Ash Stadium starts at twelve o'clock local time in New York have five pm here in the UK petric of varies averis inaction first of all six seat against, is it Katharina because live or Kozlova? Of. Ninety nine in the world. Then it's Novak Djokovic Kyle Edmund. Do. Happen. I think's going to win. Well. told him that Catherine. Left. A pregnant pause then. Say Okay do you think the Edmund is GonNa win set? I. Know. I think he may be a tie-break. I think he's GONNA set. Yeah he's going to worry him in the first two sets for a spell. Hammer. Forehand. thole hand. Right, so That jokers against collared and then. Evening session is no mere soccer against committed. Georgie. Magin of in that. State of balls at the end of that I'm here for that knocking the living daylights out of it. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA be record in that this podcast tomorrow night whilst that's going on and nobody is going to be taking any notice of the recording because it just going to be watching. So that's my and then Steph sits pass against somebody I have to say I have never heard of called maxine Cressey who's one hundred and sixty eight in the world, and he's unexpectedly not French. Oh He's born in Paris but he lives in Los Angeles and he's six feet seven toll. Yes. I think he's a product of the US college tennis system and I also think he's quite a character. From what I understand? Yes. And he's playing Stephanus. Yes. So that could be that. Dumb exp expect Towel Related Shenanigans. Coming recall this at four in the morning tomorrow then too. So we can get that one so. Much of account. I've I said I said his name, right? I mean if it's French SC. Well, it's a French name we'll solve origin your. Also. Excellent and then Louis Armstrong court is Angelique Kerber aganst. Annalena freed some. Nine in the world her compatriot to curb my pick for the final is going to make her next stride towards that final berth, and then we have Brandon Neka Shema, who is two hundred and twenty three in the world but up and coming coached by partially at least by Pat Cash, and he's taken on Alexander's verve if you see much neck ashamed or. Anything. Of Him. I think I've seen homes. No I think I've seen him on. INSTAGRAM. All right you can move. Those good movers with smooth groundstrokes is my. My mind of him. As a words hearing on prime video from my mouth Tamari. Carrying a place givers playing tomorrow yes. She must be shoes next. She gave a fantastic takes on Garcia. She gave a fantastic quote about Caroline Garcia. It was classic prescriptive shade where she was describing. She was describing how good Garcia is saying she's a dangerous player likes these courts and then and then she said but nothing unbeatable. Splendid. Is So what? Do. You think that? Gossip can win that. Cat will win the. Guy? Picking. Gossip. that. No I wouldn't no. I wouldn't see. I Find Caroline Gossett inexplicable. I don't know why she isn't a top ten player all the time. I. So. I. Just think of the first tournaments that I covered the first deputy finals covered for bt sport was the first one of the second one I think it's the second one she was on that rise that crest of a wave and she just forced out Joe Contra. The very last minute by winning Beijing and Wuhan. It was incredible what she was doing and she played wonderful tennis as well at the WPA. Feel quite shortchanged by what she's done since then and I really I don't know her but I like the way she comes across and a love watching her play tennis and I agree I think she should be doing more than she is she shouldn't be unseated. He's also had the Andy Murray Seal of approval. Didn't she early on in her career I think she was playing Sharapova at the French Open and Mary Mary tweeted this this girl is going to be world number-one one day mark my words or something like that. Should join the tennis punk. Andy Larry David law down. Caroline. Dennis chevelle evolve after that so. Nobody's going for Garcia. Then I, you put it to check valve would lease on day one. David. But he's also got. In the quarterfinals who's things some hedging, he loves the head of I stay. Show you do. Another maybe I did accidentally. Maybe it's hard ruling head because I do like Dennis and he pulls off the Agassi outfit quite well he's playing the Korean player soon will kwan, who's seventy three in the world I don't think I've seen him play yet and then we've got Madison brain goal against Dainius strength. Kerr. I'm just flicking through three of the real highlights on the play that. Catch my eye. Oh this comer norrie on caught five third on against Federico Korea which is a pretty good second round draw. A soul no relation to. Know. How disappointing I don't think. It is important to check the. Sebastian cooled is very much relation if pita quarter and you can get carried away with a with a will this just yeah anyway. No relation. Oh Matt we got Marquette's Andrew Sova against Alexander Cessna Vich. Oh. Yes. Relevant to you. Relevant to us. Both David. We owe the. The sausage cabal. It's not a gang. Only, I'm. Of the camp. By League. Has. Predictions. How did 'cause Ver- get on today Matt. I don't think she's played yet. I think she's playing well, everyone's played. Really. Yeah. Is She out. She's Isn't she playing Kathy McNally. And I feel like. She sent him the Jews. If she's she's she's still in the drawer, she must have one match. Okay we'RE GONNA I'M GONNA. Just seek out all of us every. Well, I mean, if Matt doesn't know, is that anyone in the world that knows the fate of I think to recuse over-estimate. Yes. That's what I thought. Yeah I did know Yeah Nice Sleep. Tonight in the caravan. Evening Slash early morning sorted. Does this mean we're going to have a five am addendum to the podcast suddenly matte finish the edit because he just wants to slot in a little bit of a postscript that. About Victoria who let me just see which which court she's Ju- to beyond. She is excessive. She's going to be on at one forty five am, which is in half an hour from where we are now. So The the excitement is just too much to to handle is all I can say? Find on the older place. We'll just leave that there and we'll catch up with with as she gets on tomorrow's show. But an metal know all about it issues. She's on next after a the match on court number eight if the still two more matches to go on that court better nearing a conclusion Matt. So This is this is top podcasting right here. We've just lost least seventy percent of their list. For sticking. Yeah not very. By you if you do, let me present it you know you've got to just take. Your medicine. So Catherine Matt. It's been lovely. Have a good sleep and we'll be back to this again tomorrow everybody. And I'll try to keep my order play readings. Little Short. Having more Evans. But If you've enjoyed it, you probably have. But if you have do review on I tunes do tell your friends all about tennis podcast and do listen to us tomorrow we'll see.

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US Open Day 14 - Thiem at last; Zverev devastated

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US Open Day 14 - Thiem at last; Zverev devastated

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Right okay. So. Yeah. I'm drinking San Miguel apparently others call semi Guel. Not to worry about three of them. We've just watched the men's singles final. It is the sort of final that makes me feel like I've had about five days. Even if I haven't because it's. A meandering delirious. I don't really know how to sum it up. It was just but. Yeah I'm slightly worried that the match is just a big blur in my mind and I'm going to struggle to talk about what actually happened. I can remember very strongly the feeling of it happening and how I felt watching it. I think that will be etched into my mind forever because it was one of those matches by the end I was just so an egg tense for both players A. But trying to rationalize what happened might be quite a difficult task I think. Is a bit light last year's final when ref on the Dow lead two sets to love and a break. And that looked over and then suddenly it was in a fifth set is it bit lineup? No. I didn't think. It was follow quality I would say. I thought I thought. was really good like the whole time. This one was patchy. But the idea of it being not that interesting because looking like going to be a straight sets win. And then suddenly you don't want the match to end and you wanted to go on forever in that sense, it was similar. But I don't think quality-wise or. Sort of the reasons for why ended up being such a dramatic match were that similar tall I also think that Medvedev's comeback last year was completely unexpected I think again somebody like. Nidal or not somebody like against Nidal, if love down in your first Grand Slam final. Very few people are predicting away back I think even at sets breakdown today. People will. I think most people watching. Were waiting dominate team to wake up and. Waiting for something that felt like, surely, it has to happen surely at some stage today even if it's only. A small research and see and I am a break back pushing the set to a tiebreak. Winning a set. People were waiting to see the real. Dominic team. It felt. It felt like only a matter of time whether he could get it together. In time. Before it was either. But for me, that was quite crucial difference in how this one felt. Lost felt I will remember this match I think in the long run for the final set and for the final set tiebreak but. You can't have that without the other stuff that comes before just two guys. So, let's talk about that talk about the start of the match. And how we it was. It was weird. It was I mean festival Amazon deserve. Totally, different men to the guy who came out against public arena buster looked. Just, totally paralyzed with nerves and unable to play his normal game. He looked free now there for those first two sets, he looked languid he has. He has a languid power. Unlike, anybody else I think when you he said of generates speed of shot whether it's the serve of one hundred and seventy seven miles now or four hundred. That's kind of hit the back fence without you realizing he's actually hit it that hard. I don't think anybody else gives me that. kind of feeling out on the circuit of the moment you can. I can feel the power of everybody else is almost a slight of hand the way he does it, but he was timing the ball way way better and also the intent was there and he was coming into the net I mean the statistics on his net approaches. I think after a sense set in half to gone to the net twenty times. And with some success, he looks uncomfortable at the net, but he was just playing. The odd. So masters using his six foot six inches his wingspan. Great. Get into the net. And Dominic team was absolutely awful. What was going dominant same and I I mean he was appallingly bad. Was He? Thought he was injured. Well, he's just been in his press conference and said that it was all nerves. He was so so tight throughout the whole day and it just affected him when he got on the court in those first first two sets and he couldn't generate the kind of power. He usually gets on strokes because he was so tight and that was. That was the striking thing for me. He was lacking his usual explosion into the ball and his dynamic aggressive movement. He was it was a dismal first two sets and I've not. I've not seen him play like that in in years. So it was clear that something. Had to be going on I agree I I thought maybe that there was the continued problem of the Achilles. But, he's he's put it down to nerves and it was it was really curious because I was before the match in my head kind of visualizing what I thought the rallies might look like. and. It was not like that. At all I thought they would have long. Rallies team would push off the court. Wasn't the case at all and very did an incredible job of shortening the points and as you said, coming to the net, his top Chin is half volleys were. Revelation. To be honest not not always as you said, done looking particularly convincing but they got the job done. And he looked totally in command Alexander's. Even his serve. He'd figured out how to cover up the problems he was having by serving and volleying on any kind of gave him that forward momentum on his second serves and it wasn't too bad to begin with. But it was definitely was definitely the case that team was flat and lackluster, and he is put that down to just feeling completely over overwhelmed and wrapped with nerves. I. Love the honesty. And and it does make perfect sense now that now that I know that I wish we'd we knew that time really because it just felt so curious at the time. Yes especially with the. The. The Achilles injury mystery thrown into the into the mix different mix to the usual makes. A bit of a red red herring I mean maybe it was something that the. Maybe. That was playing on his mind if not an actual injury, just that fear of. The. Had A bit of a thing in Manassas much would if it flares again by the overthinking thing. If you ever either of you ever felt tight the kind of tight. That's tennis players feel in big matches do either of you feel that you've ever experienced. I mean obviously we've all found nerves feel nerves time. But the I think that's the same. Then you know it's not. And you may be they have jittery Tommy in pounding Houghton. sweaty palms and all the rest of it as well. But. The way tennis plays describe. Having heavy legs and know in all that weighs a ton and all the rest of it. Felt that. I have to tell me what it feels like. I think the only thing I could say is, when did it happen? What's happened a number of times but I think the only way that I could give you a sample of how it might affect people like us is if you went into a live TV studio suddenly felt like you weren't going to be able to do. You know when you went live on. and. I've definitely felt. I, can I can imagine it but I have never Felt that felt that the way tennis players describe it. I have felt tremendous nerves and anxiety. On. An almost daily basis in in my life. But but I. I wish I could just split-second not not long it sounds awful but I wish I could just feel it for second so I can emotionally understand. Your experiences, the opposite because you're almost like a number of the players who when they get on the big stage that's them at their best. When they feel most comfortable when the actual in your case when the light goes on, you actually start broadcasting I've made this about me or us. That's interesting. Isn't it? Because it is something that just a very human Reaction. To to something that you desperately desperately wants guy well. and. It means that much to you and I think most people who've done exams or they've gone to a job interview or they've just had a massive moment in there in the lives have had this theft me had it. But. I. Understand. Meaning boys is the the I'm talking about the manifestation of I'm not talking about the feeling of intense nerves and and caring. Now, but but I'm saying. I think the tangible effects of can't do what I normally can do. I. Just can't do it. Because I'm too tight. Just doesn't isn't happening. But Yeah I. Now wish I could kind of like to watch the match again now that I know what he said because it, all totally makes sense I just have been I watched a little bit. Interrupted by. Zoom. Cool for me to. What he looks at annoyed. Did you re watch. Sort of the very opening exchanges and then I- I forwarded to three four in the fifth. 'cause I just fast forward it to three or four. Right I wanted to see. Dominate teams that are trying to settle I wanted to serve his face again. Yeah. Exactly. With the benefit of hindsight and he said. And he was clearly extremely nervous. So how did he work his way back into? Then he's two sets to love down. How did it turn around? He ended up in a fifth set well I think. I mean he's very had a break in the third set and played a poor game to get broken back I. Think. Once he got into the lead. Once. The finish was in sight. To me he tightened and he started retreating further further and further behind the baseline and team was suddenly in a position where hang on a minute, I need to get a move on this match and he he started playing a whole lot better and the rallies too much longer and they started resembling the sort of rallies that he wanted to be having. And then it felt quite natural that team would go on from there and win. As you said, as as we said yesterday once once the match turned to one that team was comfortable with. He's the better player and he won those third fourth set out too much us and that was the match I was expecting. Team sort of dominating from the back of the core. And very, not really quite being able to live with him having problems with his serve and suddenly felt familiar and I was like, okay this match suddenly make sense to me. After I two sets which were perplexing because team was so nervous and couldn't find the court. and was really impressive. The third and fourth sets were much more much more what I was expecting, and then all hell broke loose in the fifth set, but we'll get to them. Yeah it's amazing. How quickly you would. You would just on a micro scale within a man, she would just your expectations. I felt exactly the same kind of soon as team break back in the third. So I was like Oh, this is going to then like this this is. A normal service regimes. That's. Ev. Come up to now has been in operation not necessarily I don't mean in terms of is very playing really really well. Yeah just into. What you were saying about the pattern of the match the. The pace of the match. Yeah it was just right. Okay. So so now now we're into the match then. It's going to a fifth set. Let's get there and see what happens. and. It happened. The fifth set was. Made everything else worthwhile. Everything. Because I think around. Four sets the general gist of what I was getting on social media and to other. Broadcasters and through our conversations on WHATSAPP with your brother Catherine was A. This is not great and not into this particularly let's get to the good bit. Of. Finding who wins I don't know whether you fill out but that that's how I I wasn't massively into it. I was do some moments that I enjoy it but. But I wasn't necessarily into it but the fifth set. Will have me remembering this match with great affection. Enormous action. Because of what it meant both and what they showed, how much they showed that it meant to them and how it affected them, how it manifested itself. With them. Barely being able to put tennis balls in the court I mean they had some rallies. At the end the I'm thinking I could win this rally against. Okay But. I felt I felt so sorry for them that they were struggling that much but it just. It was an excruciating beautiful thing. Saying, how much tennis match meant to them both. Washington, try to wrestle with. that. The most relatable sensitive tennis in a Grand Slam final. Of all time. Do you think? Probably. If. You think I mean it's not very often you get. And, it's certainly not not very often in men's tennis in the last goodness knows how many years that you get to players in this position dominant team is in his fourth grand final. He's been there and done it whereas you getting nervous what he's not facing not round the French Open and he's not facing Novak Djokovic Australian Open. East End. Supposed to beat him. And he so nervous, the racket doesn't feel like the reckitt normally does in his hand simple Zach for the whole day and sixty eight mile an hour serve was incredibly relatable. I mean. Match point down is of second-serve crept over the net at sixty eight miles an hour. It was one of my favorite tennis moments ever just slightly averting. My is to look at the shot clock while the rally was going I needed to know how slow that serve was and I was not expecting even that was so slow I just throw our be somewhere in the seventies. Eight. That came. Fast forwarded to the. have. Just. On the topic it we. Relate ability. But I mean there was a relatable bit five four because finally after taking it out, it's very break. So was it five three is very breaks and serve so they for the title. which felt like a cruel experiment I thought trying let's see if very conserved Grand Slam title and in an empty stay in an. and. So it was quite emphatic. pull. Yeah. Is there is. That somebody holds of ever. Really. Didn't feel like he was going to hold serve. John. Even. I mean obviously, there was no atmosphere in the stadium to even the tone of the commentators usually after match like fat. Come back from two sets down, you get a break in the fifth sentence someone's left serving for it. Be this real dramatic climactic failed to the commentary. They need. They need it that wasn't the climax. So they they held something back. and. Maybe that unfair to Alex verve but. As it turned out very much boosted. One on this. I really. I mean it was so human. And so. In the end. Extremely endearing. But it was excruciating is well, it's not mint is is criticism who we to criticize them in that way and like like. It. For me it's a compliment I. Love Seeing people that. Want it so much and care s so much that the caring is ruining it. Yeah I. I, love that and I I consider a compliment. I mean Nazi complimented is very seconds of necessarily team then gets himself six five up and serves for the title. And lose his. Back. Into the tie-break we go, and what was it? Was The fiftieth anniversary of the Tiebreaker, the US Open, and the first time the tie-break has ever been used to decide the men's singles championships. That's right. Isn't it Yeah just just extraordinarily how that happened and. I think this whole this whole period in the match revealed, the tennis doesn't necessarily have to be the highest quality to be enthralling. Basically, just entertain me. That's what I want when I watch tennis and this was so incredibly compelling kind of because they were both struggling and caring so much and wanting it so much. It kind of reminded me of. Like a deciding frame and snooka where normally they put the ball. So easily and snooker, it can be it isn't always completely compelling to watch. It's sort of so impressive that they're so good at it but actually the really exciting frames are where missing and showing how how hard it actually is to pop the Bulls and in tennis case how hard it is to serve. For Your First Grand Slam title that to me is thrilling and I will watch that over and over again and that's what I want. It's great if they're both playing well at the same time and you get brilliant tennis in important moments but it's it's equally good really if they're both struggling a little bit and it's dramatic, it's theater I've just put it back on. Not that I'm not. Enjoying seeing faces but I thought I'll just pop on in the background of have timed it because I'm watching. Team get a very intimate thaw robe an extremely close up shots on that. And there was a moment which we haven't discussed in terms of when the quality was incredible, which was at team serving at four or five. Sorry thirty all team hit back to back incredible four hands down the line for winners. One of them falling backwards at nine hundred, eight miles an hour onto the line. And third thirty miles bro. As. Much. In the end like just not much point. Yeah we'll stay on the. Point Yeah Yeah. In the end I thought, yes this match was crazy. Yes it was difficult to understand. But in that moment, it did actually reveal something about them as players and the team was the brave and the bold one and when it was when it was really tight and when he when he was down, he still went for it. And Vera held back at Ted, and that is something he struggles with and in the tightest moments came out I thought their characters were revealed and when we got into that tiebreak team starts cramping. Pretty horrifically at the start of that tiebreak and there were. Points where he's rolling his arm over and he's not bending his he usually does a really pretty exaggerated knee bendon to serve and he throws his whole torso into it. It didn't do that and it's bright just rolled his arm over because he couldn't. And he still didn't it didn't. He hit his fastest serve as the entire match whilst awesome ing that. At three in the tie-break one, hundred, thirteen miles per hour serve which team is huge. It might be equal fastest for the tournament. And he he did it without bending his knees. I. Do Not know from whence that came. But it. Just. A couple on what might be saying about the character being revealed described the how contrasting is that to the of Copa? sinus. where Is the. Oh God, I'm tired give me would for bulls either isn't gendered some on. This patriarchy. No I don't mean got see hockey. Gear serves the cookie. Team is the. Yes also. Oh, the world is disappointing. Give me. Give me something else. Confidence. plucky. Well now, it's not right. There is no non gendered word for wanting to describe. Goodness me we've on a a INITI-. Another day. Okay let's gave cookie and and. And agree to discuss tentatives at a at a later date. Yeah he's the God. It's not even not interesting point. Away from the court, it's very of the one the foam more out there in terms of what he's prepared to say and. How much of himself is prepared to reveal? and team is the completely reserved one isn't he? He's extremely sort of Ernest and kind safe in in what he says, the militia kick him out of interview. Yes. What the Hell's another character revealing moment for the head. Joke Scottish. Yeah But, but it wasn't over then. Because team gets to six four in the tie-break and he has two match points and. It's over you think it's over. He loses that shoot those two points. I mean, I can't exactly remember the points just we lost them. He missed a forehand into the net on one of them and a forehand wide on one of them. The second one being the point that started with the sixty mile an hour serve and he was so far back he says he's sliced the return. The Sixty, eight, mile, an hour serve and he sliced. Always attack I was desperate for him. Remember when I mean it feels like a lifetime ago when Andy Murray Played Zverev the West is open and he was just trolling serve and trying to coax stubble folks out of him it was it was route Teams Positioning for the for the service just ridiculous. I mean I know he likes to load up on the ball and any can be aggressive from back there but it wasn't being aggressive from about their he it seemed like he was just had no. Confidence and comfort that he was going to be out to get a proper good rate on the bull. So he just. He's just trying to get it back in. A maybe he was wary of. Various. Gang for two first serves just for bombs on. On both I mean, I'm sort of playing devil's advocate I agree with David but I mean is there ever been? Is there ever been a big feast or famine on serve because he was? I mean. Just on second serve I mean, obviously, the disparity between the first seven seconds on second if he was kind of. Either going for nerve jangling seventy, five mile brower at best. or or I of which which could be one forty. My favorite was when he played a one hundred and five mile an hour, I serve that missed none of one, hundred, thirty, six miles seconds. homers killed team. That's the thing because he was so do. So. Reluctant on the second serve will up even get himself in a situation where you had to hit seconds of he was taking pays off the first to to get it in. Is I. Mean. His Layers Layers of. Serving. Psychology research when they changed six Ole I I think. I'm not sure this batch can actually end in a conventional manner. They might need to stop the fight or something like a referee coming in just declaring a winner at something because they. They just looked as though they couldn't handle late at all either one of them. I felt so sorry for them when they. Horace would go in through. I've. Watched double-faulting at two one up with a mini breaking it I break. Things. There's another devil in a minute. He he hit tie-break. Think. And the other thing about the tie-break that was? Jarring and scarring was seeing team physically unable to last I was so surprised by that because if there's one thing that I will always back team to be it is physically strong. Okay. I did think it slightly that in down in Australia a little bit in that fifth set against Djokovic. Well, he does does expend so much energy into every shot that maybe I'm I need to rethink maybe team does get a bit a little bit fatigued in fifth sets but this wasn't a particularly grueling five center in terms of the rallies they weren't there were really lengthy. So it was it was kind of shocking to see and he's just come into his press conference and said the that was all nerve related as well. He he was. He thinks he was cramping because he was nervous and that there's that connection isn't there between the psychological and the physical and he was feeling that and he said he'd never an cramped for years and it was the occasion and the nerves that forced him to cramp and isn't I mean that is. That is again such honesty but also. Also just just an illustration of what they were feeling out there and kind of as you said, Catherine yes it was a relatable final but I find that really difficult to relate to in terms of nerves physically incapacitating you I don't think I have experienced that. I think I have but I also about just watching it that that element of it made the final does nerves and what they would it meant them to get over the line one or the other and the other one not too. That's what will be taken from this final because there wasn't enough good tennis for it to. To be memorable on its own for that and good tennis. I don't want to diss the final in that regard completely, but it became memorable. It finished eight six in the fifth set tiebreak for. Team sitting on his chair afterwards in hysterics the absurdity of it all and how edgy was they ended up just collapsing into laughter. and. Poor old ZVEREV, face. I mean I signed him a hard guy to like sometimes. OUGHTA pull full he's not he's not the one I instantly pull for he just isn't and that may be due to I. May not be that into his game. It may be because you so chippy, sometimes an arrogant. But I've never doubted how much he loves it. How much she s pretty desperately wants to be the best and how he wants to achieve how hard he's trying to achieve. And he is. We've talked about this before he is one of the very best post-match interviews on court or post-match speakers. He has a lovely way about just taking the microphone and can ramble a bit. It can go on forever better mini but he connects with you because you just feel like at that point, he just lays off bear he's not trying to defend he's trying to protect. He's just telling you how fills and when he did take the microphone. and. He talked about parents and and they they would. They tested positive for the coronavirus and they weren't there and You could just feel everything that they'd gone through the family together at that point. And and And actually what a good Guy Alexander's is really when you strip away the arrogance and when you strip away the privilege that has probably been built up over how many ever years he's been told he's going to be this style the other. And the opportunities is being given strip all that back and he's actually just. A competitor who wants to wants to show his got it. He's desperate to. and. It was heartbreaking to him that he couldn't get over the line then he couldn't do it and he blew it. So. Yeah. I really. Re I think we all felt from at that point I think everybody watching him felt for him. Oh. Gosh yeah I mean I was I was crying in the primary. And were. I mean Taniela question every. Trophy Presentation Cermony I've ever seen her witness. It. Just it. Just it just gets too. But I I was crying as well. It was definitely has you know I'm getting close moment. For me anyway you know I, love it when they show the humanity. And laid over. And I will say love it when the Well it gets to me when they have the parents watching it turns are even worse is when their parents should have been watching and were prevented from being. From being there that really got to me but. But. Is that we think David did he blow it? That's the big question. Isn't it? Did he blow it or yeah, it is. He was he was serving for the match. and. He didn't have that wrenched from his grasp on on just team shots. He he he tightened up. and. How six-foot-six he's got a one, hundred, thirty, seven, mile an hour serve. And Look I'm not I mean he tried his best, he just couldn't handle the moment. He just couldn't serve out when it mattered. So. How does he? Stop this now scarring him deeply I mean really deeply. Next if he gets himself in that position, again. Serving for. The match of his life. How does this not? Effect him well it? Might. It might. And certainly wouldn't be surprising if it did. I do fear for him a little bit in that regard and as much as A. It's it's your first one and it's not not the big three for study may have to go through a year or two still I mean what happens when he plays Jackovitch and his next final for instance and Jaka, which isn't nervous maybe. So. It, I think the assumption is, Oh, you'll have as they always say dominant team was it pains to say you'll have loads more opportunities and actually they're very close of course, those two. Maybe weren't for start. There are other good players. But I think from his perspective and looking at other people who have lost several finals and gone onto and bear money's any lost one but lost several and gone onto then win Murray did it even did it? but You keep putting yourself in the position. Don't you and I actually really liked the fact that. WHO's got this? Who's got the yips on his serve times and he's got this real Achilles heel with it. Doesn't shy away still keeps putting himself out there steep still keeps. Being prepared. He's prepared to fail. Time after time he prepared to file. And I'll I respect him for that. And I think the way I look at it is the. If one, this slam. It would have been the kind of tennis equivalent of Football Smash and grab. He it was Kinda like pinching a one win away man city he'd. All Tournament, he'd been sitting deep playing defensively but then when it really matters in the final to begin with, he was outstanding and it was almost like he just sort of grabbed it right at the end, but he didn't quite. But I actually think as much as there's been talk vary of as a potential grand slam champion for a long time game. Wise. I. Don't think he's particularly ready to be a grand slam champion when you consider the the hose and the and the frailties that he has in his game, particularly the serve but his four was great today but also his forehand can break down. And he obviously, he did he well to get to the final of the tournament but he had a he had a laborious route there and he didn't have to face. Don't think anyone ranked inside the top twenty five to get to the final. So the way I look at it is that the next time he gets to a Grand Slam final. I'd have thought he might've smoothed out some of those rough ages in his game and he might be a better player by the time. He gets there. I. Think the key for him is to improve his game and take that to a grand slam final rather than trying to deal with another grandson fine with this game if that makes sense because. I think there are still so many ways he can improve, and that's that's a positive thing because he's he's already an established top ten player who's one big titles but if he can improve his game and overcome this mainly this problem of the second serve the next time he's in the Grand Slam final. He might not be having these issues and you'll be in a better place for to deal with the nerves. I completely agree with the amount. But there is I think a little irony in the in Hattie just managed to to nick this one today. I think that in itself would have solved loss of the problems because so many of the problems. Of Psychological. The the when things tied today when too many team started surging back at him he reverted to. His cautious default if being six, six, six, inch counterpuncher and suddenly his four, hundred, th that it looked world-beating fatigue sets. rifling through the court in a way that I? I've never seen before suddenly the four hundred back to. To dropping short and sitting up and and if you did try and go for as he said it it breakdown. You could. You could see the double-faults coming. I think. so much of that is psychological just being a grandson champion and having gotta over that hurdle however, they hid done it. Would have. Would have made. Kind of putting the call before the Horse, isn't it? That would have? Accelerated his game to the to the stage where he was proximal. Not Worthy. I'm not doing very well with words tonight. Worthy isn't quite right but more ready. Grand Slam champion but. That would have been a shortcut. That would have been a a cheat code I have to have to do it the slightly away. A. Hype this. I hope this doesn't scar him in the way that it could I'm little bit fearful. It could go either way mean the level of devastation oversee that will spur him. There is no doubting his desire no one has ever doubted his work crate and his commitment if anything is possibly been to his detriment. Moments in the past you know possibly what too hard trained to hard thought that he kids practice and train his way through problems when that's not always the case. but he was so broken today and you know in any four times in the open air has a man lost. A Grand Slam final from t sets love up all four of those. Occasions occurred at the French Open it is never happened. Outside of the French Open Manuel Ranta's. John McEnroe. Against Stephen Lindley Ninety, nine, hundred full. We know how much? The. Can you. Andrei Medvedev against Andre Agassi. And guest on Galleria against Gamma Korea And A K mammal renters renters went onto win the. USA Open, the following INNOC- he did win a slam after that happened John McEnroe went onto win. Wimbledon. Off To that French Open, but that was it for his slams wasn't it and I say Kim slightly apart from at all because he was already a multiple grand slam champion at that stage but. Guest on Gary didn't Andrei Medvedev didn't I duNno? I. mean. Give. Me Corey. Yes. I don't think that is a great list of names. phys very to find himself with. Genetic think you pull for him a bit more mentally in your in your mind after this because I I mean I I do think some of those images will stay with me. Yeah, definitely, you know what a sucker I am for. That kind of stuff. What FA vulnerability in ruinous and I just want people to be real even if the reality has. Dark assigned to it. And Yeah I've you know I absolutely look I'm sure the kid that can easily be undone with a chippy irritating press conference comment. But. Absolutely of I. Sport for elite Sports Maze About caring. And wanting it. and I. Really. As. Much as it was ugly at times I. Really. Relished in how much he wanted it today and the fact that wanting it so much was his downfull I'm an awful for him, but it's It's A. Kind of A. And I hope me out with words. To delicious is kind of ten imposing. and. And and the sliding doors, what this could do for team and what this could have done for team. If he hadn't won this I, mean he has himself that record they had in slams a number of times and he's admitted it was on his mind and this action if he'd gone zero, four I, think. No matter how it lost this final if it will stay in straight sets and been. Terrible that would have been difficult to get over. If he lost in five sets having had the comeback and still not managed to win that would have been terrible to get over. But. The fact that he's wanted now could change him as a force and as a player as well. So it's Dangerous, now, more dangerous now I think he's I think he could. It could be a real launchpad for him. I mean, it's been. It's been a long time since anyone's touted his game since anyone's questioned whether he has the game to be gone some champion that hasn't binning in doubt for for a couple years. Now at least since since he wanted since he won Indian Wells imposed that game all the way through this tournaments that final today and I just feel that. There will come a point where he imposes that game against no matter who is against. That's what I mean and that's about mentality. Isn't it? About belief in mentality in conviction. And what could be more of a bee's to all of these things than Becoming a grand slam champion is title validation of what you're doing. So. I I completely agree he'll. He's more dangerous now and I guess, the next step for team is to win a slam going through one of the big three. I mean not the not that the fact that he hasn't done that diminishes what he's done. But there's A. I imagine there would be. Sort of extra level of satisfaction for him if he could personally usurp them and have that. kind of poetic changing of the guard moment. I'm knocking you off your core I am now the man. Imagine if he takes no doubt in the final. Hey and Nidal doesn't play too much yet. Yeah but isn't it? All Garros? STAYING IN A. travelodge Jerusalem thing. Couple of other results. To bring you today the quad singles final was. Won by the Dutch player, Sam Schroeder who defeated Dylan all cuts and the. Wheelchair men's singles final was won by. Shingo Kaneda of Japan beating. Alpha hear it in the final I. Twenty Fifth Grand Slam title. PLUMBING NECK Well I got to ask. Schroeder's I ever slam maindraw as as a welcome. That's cool. Yeah. Some good results as well. Seven six in the third Canadian Pate Alpha here at two, fifty, four minutes I got. Sick. I got to Jordan Wiley The British will chat Platt who in the doubles was victorious today of the along with. Her Long long-term doubles partner and Georgia, on. Jordan's Great. They won six, three, six three. And she was telling me about how How great it was to be watched by two and a half year old son who is on the the video will when she won and. and. She'd won the title before he was born I think a few years ago and now she's when it for the first time since he was born and. She's so inspirational I'm in all all of these players. But. She's she's really cool. She she's supposed to get married this November but due to caved restrictions is. Postponed to next November in new communities, the bridesmaid to her wedding She's a lovely lovely thing. The way they talk about one another. Is So heartwarming is just The opposite loveliest thing. It's Great Yeah Great. Yeah. So folks. The US Open has come to an end this weird and Sometimes. Wonderful. Your Saipan has come to an end I mean. First of all. I think overall was it wasn't perfect but the US Did a pretty good job. Yeah I I think. Wonderful in sometimes weird. I will never ever forget it. Let's hope we don't have one quite this again. Yeah. I really loved it. Please all happen again. Well how about in approximately two weeks? Well, they intend to have ten thousand pounds in a day whilst get in ten thousand. Corona Virus Infections Day. The country that worries me more. You know I actually think having one like this again. Feels more appropriate but you know we'll see how the French Open goes, but I am concerned about it. But and I think you know the USDA from everything I understand it was incredibly close that this event would not happen at all and I'm sure they were. There was so much work behind the scenes that has gone on to get this event on and to run it safely and yes, it has always been perfect along the way but. I think for their for their kind of bold risk-taking but with with safety in mind it's it's in a triumph. Really that is that it's happened at all. Yeah I would second that. It's I hope this all. All USDA employees more than three Biz down right now. New Imagine the size of relief. Yeah. BOTTOMS UP USDA. No mere soccer has been tweeting a little bit. My word when she tweets does she get a reaction? It's incredible. I was I was looking she's got about seven hundred thousand followers on twitter twitter is it's only one outlet and it's it can't be the barometer of everybody's popularity but there are people didn't she fully you for about twenty minutes David Nervous, about twenty seconds. The the. The other big stars in tennis who've got more than ten million followers like Serena Williams and Roger Federer and Maria Sharapova. They don't get anything like the engagement that she does for single tweet. I don't quite how that works. She's only got seven hundred thousand but she did a tweet yesterday which said, this is crazy and a pitcher of south of the trophy three, hundred and twenty, five, thousand likes of that tweet and the other players just mentioned. Just, a fraction of that I mean I don't know whether something's Going on going on a bit weird. We twitter bet. I mean. I just feel like she's going to be so big in the future All now. Yeah. But bigger may now is the feature she's going to be bigger. Now, you're getting me confused tomorrow's Today. It's five am. Confused. But anyway I am. She taught about She did her champions fate issued today. Didn't she wearing a NAVY BRIAN LA LAKERS JERSEY? and she about. His influence on her. and the inspiration Kafer this this four nine, she told this. Lovely. Lovely little story didn't one media story just a one line already about a conversation she wants had with him by she said. As a how did she? How did she put a I'd love to I'd love to be as good as e one day. And he said, no be better. Does. That is just So. Great. So so great. Yeah I say she is going to. Do a lot lot more in her career than we can imagine. And just on a not I'd like to finish on is just to say we're we're intending to be back. In a week's time really to review Rome and whatever else has gone on and look ahead to to what's coming up Matin and got the head in the hands of another podcast. But. Yeah that that will happen in two weeks time in the meantime if you haven't already do look up our healthier Gibson and Arthur Ashe podcasts because. They're the most important podcasts we've ever done seventy two of them and. They they're the ones I think we're the most proud of I certainly am I just. The such important stories to tell. 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Wimbledon Re-Lived 2001: Federer Comes Of Age

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Wimbledon Re-Lived 2001: Federer Comes Of Age

"Hi this is Marion Bartoli Mats Wilander. This is Mary Carillo. I'm stunned rowing. I'm letting you it. I'm Andy. This is Yannick Noah, and you're listening to the tennis podcast. Hello everyone and welcome to the tennis podcasts. Wimbledon relived. Not Say Manic Monday. Is Strange to think that in an alternate universe rule experiencing the busiest most hectic day, if the tennis calendar down the road, well down the road from me, and that's w nineteen and instead well I didn't know about you, but I'm something my safer why I'm dressed. I was GONNA. Say My pants spur. I'm dressed, but I'm certainly not in A. Poised and ready to. Go on the tally or anything. I mean it is a very different university living in. The the same time I still find myself trying to crowbar these matches into to be able to watch them all in time because we just watched four hours of a match for today's podcast, having recorded yesterday's show, and then we've got tomorrow's look forward to I mean look I'm having the time of my life. I'm relive I'm reliving two thousand and one and loving every single minute of it, but yeah around actually making meals for children and go into the pollock, and all that sort of thing I am struggling a bit to fit it all in hence sleep out today we spending. We're dwelling quite a while in in two thousand and one land. Aren't we today tomorrow? Yeah and it turns out that that's important. Because David didn't see two thousand one Wimbledon. Much of two thousand and one full stop you in a windowless room in the ASS. End of Germany awesome thing. Date I did I missed the entirety of the two thousand one Wimbledon until the final which we'll get onto more tomorrow when we, she watched that as one of them it because the woman doing tomorrow is the two thousand and one men's singles final between Goran, Ivanisevic and Pat, rafter today it's Pete Sampras against Roger Federer in the fourth round, but yet the time. Time I was in my fourth year working for the ACP tool I'd been communications manager for three and a half years traveling around I had informed the powers that be that I would like to have got writing and interviewing and all that sort of thing, and they said okay. Then you can go work on this new thing that we've got called a website. And it's and we produce it in Hamburg Germany. So off. You go to the office that. Germany. Not the end of anywhere I thought it was somewhere a little more. Than that. Politically, it was delightful, delightful The office was Nelson somewhere. And Anyway I'm sitting and get there and I'm like we get to the fourth round magic Monday manic Monday and I'm thinking right. There's a lot of crack matches on here. This Roger Federer against Pete Sampras Tim Henman lighter. which channel is it on here in Germany? And they said it's on premiere I said all right. Where's where's that said? We haven't got that one. So. So I was a little bit dubbed by this and frantically trying to think. How do I get out of this job? But. I've signed up for the rest of the entire week until the weekend when I would go off to Gustad for the tournament that. So anyway, that's when I discovered that actually it was available on BBC radio through their website in inverted commas I that I'd never heard of before, but anyway so I was able to listen to the BBC radio coverage throughout the rest of the week, and that's what made me decide. That I wanted to be a commentator right and that week. And he fight off emails to to the commentators he'd be listening to. You. Yeah Yeah, Inkatha. Who is the tennis correspondent? Richard Evans, very long time experienced respected journalist and reporter send the Sunday Times tennis correspondent Dana coincide of the BBC. And they brought the championships alive for me over in Germany and I mean that's what they do. That's what the job of the radio commentator is for people who can't say to try to bring it alive and. It did the job for me. It made it magical I mean I. I actually think that Wimbledon. If you think of Tim Henman's run as well and everything else that went into it, it was one of the all time. Great. Wimbledon's including the ending. And to listen to it on the radio where your mind is having to do the job for you, because you can't see it, using the words, they they describe and you conjuring images on the back of those words, it makes even more mystical and fantastical David Law. You turn not being able to watch one of the greatest of all time into a positive. Well twenty years on Haram watching it. It's awesome. Win deliveryman in solihull. She's moved on from working in tennis and not being able to watch moved into working in tennis and this year still open. You Up to in two thousand and one. We still shuffling around on your bum. Knows all my eight now right was. Please listen to yesterday's podcast to context. or or no? Yes no I was just at school district school, doing your thing for four years old five years old. Yeah, but will but crucially. GUESS NOT WITH A. sort of Mediterranean looking blonde child's in unexpected. Discovery Very nice very nice yeah. A. Thousand and one was read into tennis by this point I was in I. It was probably two thousand, possibly, actually two, thousand and one. That I got heavily heavily into tennis and adopted it as my own before then it was something that my family. We're very very into. My brother was a genius player, and I sort of rebelled against it a bit actually. I was like. The old I roll may maybe when? was on at home. Then suddenly something clicked and I just adopted it as my and before long I was known as tennis. Kathy, schools. When I gave him something I really go for very all or nothing type character. And maybe I can't quite remember I'd love to be one moment that I could pinpoint. Is this is what got me into tennis, but unfortunately? Is Not quite as pithiest out, but I could certainly imagine a world where it was this. Wimbledon, possibly even this match. Because I mean it felt important at the time it felt great at the time. It even felt like changing of the guard at the time, but it is taken on more significance with every year. That is passed by since then, hasn't it? It has an I. think it did feel like a changing of the guard passing the torch at the time. Although late himself. Oh Yeah, I! Often, didn't he? I read this massive article straight after well shortly after a few months after this. This match this story and I got a chance to go to Switzerland and meet Federa meet all of his team and try to tell his story so far and kind of get a sense of what might be to come. From the article fakes ticket, not see. Your new, frank? Today, we've got law circuit thousand and one. Sorry everybody! That's so we got. But we're going to anyway. We're going to post that on the tennis podcast website. If you want to read what the world was like through my eyes at least nineteen years ago. And the link will be in the show notes this, but yeah I think it feels in in hindsight you look at it, and it looks like a very clear defined moment, and and that's what it felt like time as well and yet. When you look at the context, it took another two years after that for anything to actually happen that you could say. Rosia federal backed up that day with which I think. It's important to remember that because it's just it's not. Not Quite as sort of Hollywood's as as it appears at first appearance, but this is where we just we. We had clear confirmation that the ingredients or Roger Federer, to follow in the footsteps of Pete. Sampras discount speaking of Hollywood David, and thank you very much for that segue it. Two Thousand and one was the first Harry Potter film was released. I went to see that the cinema and found it so dreadful that I didn't see any of the subsequent films. I understand I've used thrown from reliable sources that the film's improved greatly. And I fully ready to believe that I was so turned off by that I film and the bad child acting. That I never return to that particular world. Are Fell Asleep three times trying to watch that film I've tried to watch it three times in full. Every single one really I think that was the first my news off by heart. All the words to it. Matt Scott. That sort of you've just dissed Bruce springsteen. It's not that it's not that level. Of still recovering from. It was the of course of nine eleven. It was the year that the leaning Tower of Pisa reopened after eleven years of engineering to stabilize it. But it remained leaning. A. Thorough job. And the Eden project opening cool. Wikipedia went online as David's already documented for us. It was a big if they old Internet wasn't. How. USA invaded Afghanistan Enron filed for bankruptcy. Dennis Tito became the first space tourist. And Billy Irish was born. So that we go. David the slightly suspicious at the mention of the name. Billy is Dina. David Call. Dj Genuine. You've never heard of her. Always think these these birth. Years are good insight into Willie's musical tastes. Musician yes, she. What she did sort of Edgy Pope. What would you would have heard throughout your strategy and? They were playing all the time in the stadium. That would i. Yeah except. Escape from. In Melbourne Twenty Twenty, so you've got the name wrong anyway. Let's return see. Store, she meant periodical is correct south and Redo that bit. Before? We all go full partridge I know I started it, but let's let's try and rain in a little. That was the electric light orchestra. I'm saying. Let's go back. Two Thousand and one and a time when Roger Federer was was nineteen years of age, and had one gene Wimbledon three years previously, and and had been hyped at around about that time very much say, but it had lost first round in both the senior Wimbledon's played since then he'd lost a year in Iraq, and it lost chief Gani Kafelnikov, so by reaching the fourth-round in two thousand one. It was already a big big breakthrough forum. Yeah. There's a massive deal felt like a big deal. just because he was, he was basically. I think we all thought he had the talent debate. People like youngest. Bjorkman savvy me, but you know you had to be Molise in five cents from two sets up so. There were there was. A fading of a soft underbelly, really in federal that time that if you hung around long enough, you could get to him. and He'd lost. Loads matches lighter loads and. Interesting watching Sampras match back. There are a number of points in it. Where even I I didn't watch it at the time as I say, but I think you gotTa. If I had been I'd have been thinking he's he's in trouble here. The the there's a moment where Sampras is putting this pressure on him that pressure on him. The moment is providing pressure and I would have thought. On evidence received to that point he's he's going to have problems here. And and he that's that's why felt so significant really the fact that he didn't buckle and he still came out on. The thing is what I found particularly interesting when when going back to this mansion and reading the research on on the build up and the state of play and context going into it federal had the fall a year on the basis of the. Race. I can when I say that I hear rougher saying it in a heavily Spanish, accented voice. Wiping hyping the race big. I hey you doing it in reference, voice right great. We're on the same page. Some six in the world, though had been elevated to top seed by the Wimbledon seeding formula which. I knew that seating formula maids made adjustments for record jump from six to one I found pretty jaw-dropping so six in the world, but twenty two in the race, so on the basis of results for two thousand one he was twenty two in the race, hadn't WANNA titles since Wimbledon the previous year federal fifteen in the world and seven in the race, so on the basis of two thousand one results federal is by far. The higher ranked I mean seven seven to twenty two is is a big leap now I know. Some press was a seven time, Wimbledon champion, and a fulltime defending champion, and I'm not suggesting that doesn't count for something and he's seething shouldn't have been adjusted a tool, but. Story of the young young upstart, he'd lost to first rounds. Against the seven time champion doesn't quite tell the full story known federal, just reached his first Grand Slam quarterfinal, frank, open at a couple of decent woman events on the gross. I mean I always find the that kind of seating formula change. Interesting is what you put more weight on current four more historical fall. I think it's. Maybe can give us a sense of just what a false empress was a when I didn't live through overstays. We know Sampras dominating as he did in the nineties, but just I mean he'd won. What fifty three hundred dollars fifty four matches at? Wimbledon was there this. was added sense the he was a fading force. That was sort of once he got to Wimbledon. Everything would be alright again or were people doubting him even at Wimbledon Yeah I think that more generally dancing him. Yes. Also bear in mind in the second round he'd had a really difficult passes through sets against Barry Count match city, being two sets to love up in went. The distance and five I think Barry played really well at Dye, but even so it wasn't a scoreline that that ever happened before to Sampras in early rounds against anybody just didn't happen. I mean the earliest he'd lost since the first year he won. It was to to be defeated by Richard Krajicek ninety-six Wimbledon. I do feel that being around on the toward the time he he was starting to feel old and jaded by tennis standards at that point, and there was a there was a lousy to erotic. Because Federal Quebec coming through the ranks at the same time. Sorts of ages and there was a moment in that were Roddick hits him full in the chest with serve, and almost knocks him over, and it just felt like crooked game feels like it might be moving on a bit here and I'm not sure. Peters got the energy left in him to go with it, but at the same time when he got so Wimbledon. And we saw the before he. He won that Seventh Wimbledon. Rafter from a set and bright down I. Think it was in. The final and he just found a way. He still had a gear when when he needed and I mean he would still go on and play incredible matches after after this one as well, he would win one more Grand Slam, but it was. It was not inevitable. The way have been people were starting to get to him, and I think the life of tennis which had had taken something out of him, old and jaded twenty-nine. Yeah. It does sound ridiculous now, but people weren't playing part from Jimmy, connors and Agassi would do it later in the mid-2000s apart from Jimmy Connors. Who got me into terrace by having his run to the semi finals? Of the US, open, at age of thirty nine people weren't doing. Sampras was twenty, nine, four retired at twenty six lots and lots of players. Once you got to your late twenties. Really you were considered to be entering the the last stages of your career and nobody one grand slams after thirty, but then it just didn't happen. That's that's how I felt. There is an absolutely withering line from Steve Wiley in the Guardian. Written written after the Francis- defeat to federal in the round of sixteen, which says. In Hindsight Sampras's five-set second round struggle against Britain's Barry Cowan last week was an indelible pointer to his lack of form and confidence to his decline and ultimate full. Should we all have known when he was taken to five sets by Barry Cowan? Bless him, but it's it's one of those. Isn't it like if you think of it now? When when federal had some five-set wins? Occasionally, you might spin them as. Always pushed to five sets, but he still came through. It's a sign that even when he posted, he's still GonNa win, and he's still got what it takes in in the biggest moments. I can imagine that that. Okay the struggle against Cowan was with sort of spun that way to to point of actually. This guy is really hard to beat this woman even when he's not playing his best against an inspired opponent it. Sorry, he did play the much of his life county I remember watching that much very very clearly being so into it, but yeah, of course things things look so different with with the benefit of hindsight deadly. And the next round some one in straight-sets, okay against a player, you would expect to win in straight sets against, but he did and actually in this match. It's not like Sampras plays a pool match. He he gives everything to to federal. Maybe it's not as best every day. Maybe five years earlier, it might have been different. We will never know that, but this wasn't a an on. Mt Pete Sampras. He was he was playing well, and he was also trying to impose his will on the match in Federal Circuit Federal, interestingly in his run to that fourth round, he faced savvy Molise in the second round, and himself was taken to five sets, having led by two sets to love. and. That one I find really interesting because the commentators referencing this at the time, Federer reputation for I mean, you had a reputation for having a bit of a soft underbelly in his as you reference in your well in the article and in your. Anecdote you've told on the PODCAST couple of times. That line him asking you. Why do I lose all the close matches? But he he also had a bit of reputation for his concentration, just deserting him particularly when he was cruising in positions of great control, and there was some speculation about whether that would happen. Against, Sampras impressed the fact that he allowed that to happen against Malisse in the second round and was almost almost punished for it. Maybe, that helped Dr Lim in against some Chris because he had had his fingers burned few days before. He knew he couldn't afford to do that against the player as C.. Prem- is some pretty so I. DO wonder how crucial second round match against Soviet release turned out to be for Roger Federer when he got out of it, didn't he got himself into whole, and he got out of it, and that's I. Think every stage of his career up to that point and the two years that followed with a platform for what he ended up becoming, he experienced all the stuff he tweaked things. He learned how to deal with situations, but he wasn't lighting the Dow. Who just came out and Knew exactly what he was now in Dow. Bill tennis player, but he was already. A competitor federal was a tennis player, a technician a genius, but he built a competitor and I. Think there's a very big difference there and you can see how it could've. It could've gone wrong for federal. There's no question in my mind that we could have. We could have had a situation where he became nothing because I. Don't think it was inevitable that he worked all this out I think I actually think it's a huge credit to him that despite his immaturity and the. Potential pitfall some of which he fell into, but doug talented salvatore of He created. What we what? We know today because it wasn't just. Click a fingers, and fed, who has been very open about that period of his career, in admitted that he wasn't working hard enough for doing the right things, and that incredible interview he gave. I think it was the stars of two thousand and nineteen in down in Australia where. He boasts into tears, the mention of Peter, Carter, and it really sort of blew up on the Internet this federal and tastes, but I think what was lost, was actually what he said, which was the he's oversee Takata, who died in two thousand and two, and he said the that that woke him up and it made him realize that he couldn't waste his talent and he he was slightly doing that for for a few years, certainly before this two thousand one match, and even even in the months the. The followed it and I. Think you know he looked back now, and he says I'm just I'm proud of the fact and I think Peter will be proud of the fact that I didn't waste my talent, and I did as you said to myself into not only a great tennis player, but also competitor and someone who someone who got the absolute most out of the game. Patriots like a second father figure really particularly in tennis terms. He was a father figure in his early years, and he was one of the people I interviewed in late, two, thousand and one when I got that chance to go to Switzerland and Year lottery died and. Tragedy Lovely Guy, just the nicest guy somebody I enjoyed the company of really immensely and and got to know federal through him because he he was. He was pretty straightforward about Russia's drawbacks, and the and the problems that he had to encounter in and overcome if he was gonNA, make it immaturity. Distractions all of the and the were there were plenty of them. But at the same time he loved Raja you need. You could see that the way he talked about him. He loved me. He knew he was a good kid, a good guy and that he'd he'd got to take the frustrations as a direct hit, and just just whether them help federal. To become the man that he's become, and obviously, these were very formative years, but that's what Peter Carter achieved I think. Is that he he he allowed Roger to make mistakes and learn from them, and the good thing about federal is that he was genuine. Good Guy He. He always knew what was important really. His temper might get the better of eminent used to. In. A moment I think when he got, he got really trouble for for ripping curtain in Swiss tennis whole by throwing his racket in frustration and he was made to to. I think scrub the floors of the locker room as a punishment. But okay. Those with temper tantrums in the real. The real guy was was was genuine. Soul and his reaction to pay the his death was. showed sort of personally was. Any lift that throughout and I think he still lives with today I think he still is inspired by that man to do what he's done. In two thousand and one. Pizza Carter was wasn't officially coaching him by that point, he was still very much involved in his development in say a father type figure in the background, but it was. It was Peter Lingen. That was coaching refrigerated. That was that was in his plays books, really in a exuberant character, and in some process plays books at the time was pulled on he he had lost his coach. Tim Gullikson. What couple years before David not. It's actually quite a few years it was. It have been five years before now that Tim Gullikson was diagnosed with brain cancer in. Nineteen ninety-five, those incredible images of Pete Sampras crying on court during his match against Jim Courier shortly after he heard that news. And Tim died a year later, meanwhile pulled. Annacone was the assistant coach of Pete. Sampras throughout those couple of years he kind of learned into the guidance, of Tim who'd and and I think it's it is. It is one of those interesting things to note. That Pete Sampras wasn't a natural grass-court player at the start of his career, he won the US Open in nine, hundred, ninety, showing his talents, just playing this incredible hardcore game, and but he couldn't move on grass at all and Tim Gullikson helped him to overcome that to to believe he could achieve on grass, and if you look at the early years of results in ninety, one ninety, two of Sampras at Wimbledon then they're not good. Relatively speaking, he got the semi's in ninety. Two got served off the court by Gore and we talked about not a few days ago. But Yeah Paul annacone was a natural chip and charger, one of the old style chip and charges, and they just meshed as a pair and yeah, so he was with him for for many many years, and even speaking to him David. Let's hear from Paul. Annacone now on on what he did ahead of that Sampras much in in two thousand and one, and what he was thinking as it went on I, remember talking to a bunch of the coaches and I'd seen. Roger Play Bunch of times, and I was just. No. Just remember the game plan was do what you do best. He's very. He's very talented and he's very flashy. You know, but I don't know how much she believes yet himself like I, don't know what his self belief is at big moments, and what will happen in big moments, but he has a very good shot making game and you know he's one of the top young talents on tour, and so you know he's really good about going into these matches. I mean, that's one of the things I loved about both pete and Rogers and temples like this to they never take anybody for granted. You know they always they. They feel like they're better, but they just realize it's pro tennis, and as soon as you just think, someone's no good, you lose. And they never did that, so he went into the match with Roger Feeling pretty good, but I just remember after they split the first two sets and I just remember after the first two sets. I was like this is going to be a war. You know because this kid is fresh in his young, and he really just believes, and you know to me, you know. Know the most incredible thing to me. Was that you know Roger just stayed with it the whole time you know, he never really you know. He didn't really he didn't really buckle didn't buckle it all and you know that that to me was kind of the launching of Rogers greatness. You know and then you know. I just know that I was really impressed. With how well he returned because Pete served pretty well that day and and Roger Know Roger did a great job. especially returning Pete's second served, he was returning really well and he created a bunch of opportunity didn't break a ton, but I know he created a bunch of upper opportunities to break and I was amazed at. How good is hands were picking up second serve returns I always like to think that Roger is kind of he returned. Serve like hockey goalkeeper. You know he's. He's really knows on the base. It's not like no backer like Andy it's it's like he's on the baseline. These quick little jabs especially. When he was younger, he was amazing. Even I think even perhaps even better at it than he is now but you know it was just one of those battles. It was to incredibly gifted talented athletes, and and then you know there was not you know. There was not a ton in it. You know and Roger ended up winning. Was At six four or seven five, and the fifth or some you know. Yeah. You know a couple tiebreaks and. You know I, think they let the tie-breaks and then. You know was just a matter of a couple of points and I felt like okay this kid. This kid if this keeps his head on straight, it's going to be great. You know and I remember talking to Pete Afterwards and pizza which he hates to leave at majors, especially in a specially Wimbledon, but you know he's pragmatic to just said you know I didn't play bad and didn't play great, but didn't play bad and you know he's really talented. He's a really talented young player. He's GonNa do great keeps his head screwed on straight and cut to twenty majors. He's pretty good. How much do you feel that Pete? Knew about federal at that stage because they'd never played and Roger Wasn't Roger. Federer yet was when he was. Jerry, we still again. Even then he was a couple of years away from winning first one, but the right was taken by surprise. I don't I. Don't think so because I mean you know I. Think was Pretty Mu- very quiet. It's he was not a guy that glues himself to every result of every tournament, but. You know a lot of that's my job and I remember you know I'd seen Roger, play on and seen them play bunch. I knew how talented he was, and and so I you know like I said I think pete knew how talented he was, and always with players like that the question is. How did they gonNA react number one against. Number two in a major number three in particularly Wimbledon where I've been so successful on center court. Because that's a totally different now it's hard to measure what's going to happen those moments you know and I think great players realized that those moments are different than playing. You know in the third round at Indian. Wells you know they. You Walk Onto Centre Court and you play peaky there or you walk onto. You know Shatri A and face Rafa. It's different. You know that that's a different dynamic. So that's always the question that you don't know as a player and I think that's the question that Pete. Wanted, you know had to had to see in Roger passed with flying colors, because it was his first outing onto center. Cool that much against Pete Sampras on magic Monday in two, thousand, one and this. Little anecdote from from federal that that you tell in your in your piece, which is on our website to now i. think it's just been upgraded. David. About the the. The plays on to central sort of nodding to each of them and saying Gee, do you know what the deal is? Going and federal services night of ACLU, and then he nods to San Prison. Saying was a seem you've got this down? It's a lovely telling from federal himself ready and that's something that I. mean this was nineteen years ago that we did the interview. And so it's all very fresh in the mind I was like how honest and candidy was even if it is if it was self deprecating at his own expense, but and even now you know he I'm sure he would remember that if you put put it to him. He has that sort of memory, but I think for people like May. who new from the tool and saying these past two three years? We were always hoping for this opportunity for this chance to see whether we'd really got it. It, or not in because the talent was so exciting and I mean everybody thought that he watched him, but there were so many reasons to doubt whether we would actually get over the hump, so to speak just to see him. Have the chance that and that's the ultimate, isn't it? Sampras sensical Wimbledon the guys won seven titles well. Let's find out and that that's why we're doing this matches. It's just it's. It's just as perfect. Passing of these ships is interesting. Hearing him be talked about the bipolar Annika is. Is this kind of overly flashy shotmaker type potentially lacking a bit of grit or substance because the commentators it was? David Mercer in and Peter, Fleming on the on the coverage that we were watching commenting during during the warm-up where they were building up the match that the one potentially sheaf Federer's that he just doesn't have a plan B if planner, you've just going for shots all the time. Standing up on the baseline thrashing at that four hundred doesn't work out. Out then then there's no plan. B Your absolutely fascinating to listen to the commentators talking about federal than because we get, we get so used to seeing federal as a great thinking of federal is one of the great to the game was so influenced in our thought prices a federal now by everything that's happened for the last fifteen years or whatever any? Any glimpse that we get them before they turn into. They became. These great is always really interesting and I. Just found myself thinking okay. What parts of federal game did he still need to develop an how? How did the commentators talk about him? Before he had that aura an actually they. Guess compensates. You've got a decision to make and they kind of go big with federal quite early. They have built they sort of. Go into the hype quite early and they say this guy's got a got a chance here. They'd have heard about his talent and. You know and the sort of possibilities that he could be good, but they really run with it and quite early on it becomes apparent that federal is playing really well in this match, and what I? What I find so interesting is the everything that we've talked about federal having a bit of a temple having that in a softness. None of that really comes out in this match. This is the match where he. Almost feeds off some pursue energy and synthesis vibe as champion, and you can almost just see him growing as a tennis player in this match and. All the all the tools of his game that they're commenting on the hands, the soft hands the ability to get the returns back into play. Know that's all there and is aggression with the full hand and the first show after the serve. That's all then those those have stayed trademarks of federal. WHO's game throughout the years, but the one thing that developed mismatch seems to be. That concentration that calmness that. Almost, that aura builds up in this match. It's all born here and just a look back on. It now is is is really interesting. I also think the body language of Sampras from bowl. One is a real tell as well because as you heard from Paul, he's. He's being told he's done done the scouting reports. He knows that this kid has got talents, and first of all I feel there is a rice sunny Jim. You'RE GONNA. You'RE GONNA. Get a couple of proper serves air. Any smacks down. Thirty three a one, thirty six in the first game, just to send a message down the other end of the court. He also punctuates a couple of them with real. Yeah, come on stuff that didn't necessarily do. He was aggressive both in his game, and his body language, and I I felt was he was trying to slam. Intimidate federal just to remind him look. I'm the man here. You don't know what you're going to become. Ain't going to become in today and the fact that federal stood up to that was was the fascination of this whole match me. Yeah, there were a couple of quite vicious sounding commands from Pete Sampras. There was one that sort of. Stuff! Vibrated three my soul in the first tie-break and squinted at screens. was some Chris that did that because I? Don't associate him with those sort of Guttural guttural reactions on the court, but as you say, it's indicative of if the match city. He knew he had on his hands. He was being pushed stretched the in the early stages. I was slightly worried that I had misremembered the match and it was. It was a much of great significance, but potentially not a match of great quality, because there are stretches of that are just extremely serve dominated. It's we don't get a rally until the third game. The first couple of serves are all races and I was thinking. Oh, my God I I know that this much is pushing for hours I'm not sure I can watch this for four hours, but it's a match. The like the plays elevates itself in the moments. It's much of yeah, if Great Lulls, but that lulls that that make the highs all the better, and that is what the Great five-set matches alike. You needed the quiet moments in a way as well to build to really ramp up those moments the tiebreaks subsets the stakes being so high and and I think you're right the fact that page behaving the way was told you the stress that he was under. This kid was putting him under that. He was putting up. I think Sampras played well and my view at always being in throughout his entire rivalry with Andre Agassi and you know how much Andre Agassi impressed. Even somebody who didn't want him to win. Light Me Ninety, ninety two, and throughout the is the moments that I guess he played incredibly high level, but I always felt that. When Sampras played his highest level, he won and one thousand, nine hundred nine would prove that they met each other in the. The woman, the final Agassi played really well Sampras won in straight sets because he was that good, and here he was against a guy. The even when Sampras was playing is absolute I didn't. Maybe it wasn't his absolute best, but he was playing well, and he was doing all the things that Pete Sampras. He wasn't taking anything for granted dialed in from Baldwin, and yet he couldn't get away from this guy, and in fact, he was struggling to hold onto him. And I think that that summed up the talent level of federal more than anything to see him. Go up against the best that I'd ever seen to that point. Federal takes the first set on the tiebreak. And it's. It's actually some press that gets the first break of serve in the match in the second set your something that hasn't changed this fetters inability to take his break points. He, he goes the first. Two and a half sets, you know. He gets ten break points and doesn't take any of them. And most of the time to be fed is Sampras coming up with timely. I serve in crucial moments, but there's a again. It's an it's an illustration of how this was a big moment for federal. He didn't. He didn't panic. He didn't get frustrated when he wasn't taking those break points he i. think is such a hallmark of his game now when he plays big serve as he waits, there's opportunity and eventually he he backs himself to take one when he has to and that's. That's what he does this match against Sampras. Yeah, but it's Yeah, I mean it's one of those just back and forth matches whereas soon as one raises that level, the other raise that level and all the best moments come at the ends of sets, and yet federal wins the first and third, and Sampras takes the second and fourth, and we and we find ourselves in a fifth, and I thought that that fifth sent having watched it now I didn't see to the time of course, but when Sampras levels, you see the first and pretty much only moments of federal, slight wobbling mentally and just and any. He wore that look and the I used to see all the time back then of why is this happening to me what? I can play all the shots and I'm supposed to be out of win all these matches. Why is this happening to me? You could just see that little flicker on his face. which used to manifest itself so much more dramatically loads of other matches, but then ascend precedes off having a bathroom break federal. extended. federal starts a redoing his head, band and folding and. And it seems to me that that may be calms him down a bit. Event No, he doesn't do a very good job because it's all a bit out of Kilter, the he's Nike sign is a little bit off center. About eight minutes trying to fold this thing precisely, the Nike tick is exactly Bang in the center of his forehead in blessing. He probably didn't know, but it was. It actually ended up above his left eyebrow. The whole process calmed down a bit and got him back into the right. Okay, it's one set. Let's start this one. It's get on with. Backfire from Sampras because his. He wasn't known for tactical bathroom breaks, but as I say it was a long bathroom break. and. Momentum at that stage and I suspect. Given the insights that UNA coins Guinness. The about the the suspicion and the awareness that the occasion and the stage might might get to nine thousand nine year old, federal, giving him a few moments to to think about it would seem like a smart move, but little did he night? That federal had some folding today? I gave him chance to regroup. Because when he goes off the core two sets all I'm looking I think it's perfectly festival. It's a legitimate thing that plays dual time, and secondly I think it's a it's on Piper. Sensible tactic from Sampras. Let the kids stew on it and. The start of Toilet break. My thought is I would not be surprised if this is six one seven percent fit set because. We've seen it before. We'd seen federal. Just have his moments play incredibly well. Get a lead and then capitulate, and if ever, there was a chance to do that here. He got his perfect excuse I've had a good day I've done. I've shown you all are good i. Am it's not it's gone against me. It's not fair and I've lost six wanting the fifth. and well again it was just the moments that he showed everybody that is more to him than that and and that was that was such a thrill to see that that talent blossoming into what would become a trudy will great platter one of the greatest ever and I think what makes Federa. So captivating to watch is the. City of his tennis throughout his career, in the fact that he goes for it, you know he wants to be on the front foot, and there's a moment in the fifth set where we. Where you really see that because he's break point down in the fifth set for four role. And second serve, he said volleys, and Sampras hits a wonderful return right at his feet and federal picks it up. And then some plays another passing shot and federal guesses right and so I- backhand volley and gives a a huge pump. And it's those moments. Federal career which I think make you know just the reason why people love him so much because he plays high risk tennis, and when you get that high risk tennis right on the biggest points, it's enthralling you come you. com just not have the hairs stand up on the back of your neck when he does when he does things like that, and and even two thousand and one on the biggest moment against against his hair Sampras managing. He was managing to do it and. Yeah, it's just another moment in the match where you see the federal that he would eventually become. A It's a clean return winner to clinch the match from federal with some per serving five six in the fifth set and fifteen forty down. He takes his first much this federa. And he sinks to his knees immediately in a celebration that ends up being reminiscent reminiscent of the celebration when he when he wins the thing for the first time against Philippoussis. In in two thousand and three, yeah. I think it meant nearly as much to him. This was his hero. This was the man and he was taking him out. And you know I think it's the banishing in his mind of all those questions because it had been going on for. It's a long time. Know three years between him in the boys title and turning pro a week later and starred in Switzerland in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, eight to two thousand one. Lots and lots of flickers and demonstrations of his talent followed by frankly not delivering and everybody going on a sea of you not got what it takes, and that was what was happening for three years now. It would actually go on for another two years until he won that. I slam really because this was just yet more ammunition for well. We can see our talented you are. How come you winning? But I think that these were moments of enormous relief those two moments. And you saw in that reaction and there's there's another great line I mean laser them a great line acquaint from federal from your your piece. David where he describes that moment in his reaction celebration, he says like to do with lie down because he sinks to his knees, and then he immediately does assertive side somersault and ends up on his back, and he said all I could think of to do in that moment was to lie down and I could have laid there forever. But it was out of respect for Sampras, and the got up and joke to the net, and he said he thought to himself well as much as this great for me. It's probably awful for him so I'll let him get his bid over with and get off the court as quickly as possible, and actually Sampras does wait for federal, and they leave the court together, and there's a lovely little moment where they're walking side by side, and it was the time before the customary borrowing. Oh cutting woods throw books had been done away with and. Some stops to two battles, robots and federal, just half step ahead of him, and his completely forgotten, and has to do with sort of stuttering moonwalk backwards to sort of pretend and I know this yeah I've got this down. Yes lovely little moment. I think his reaction of of run into the is again. Just an insight into the guy he really is in was. He has respect. He does loved the sport. He loves these people. I can't believe he's getting to plays here. He loves all of this stuff an although he wants to beat them. All the is genuinely respectful person and I think we've seen that over the years with the people who come into touch with them. You know he's he's a good guy. So. He beats the seven-time champion Pete Sampras. he, he becomes one of the favorites for the title. Wimbledon two thousand one. He starts being talked about as potential multi Grand Slam champion. And then he loses to Henman in the finals, and then he goes to his home. Tournament starts or Nay by tournament. English start on clay and gets booed off the court after a thrashing by Yvonne Lubavich An and. Continue for for well for two years deadly. Because I think he gets to. The fourth round of the US Open faces Andre Agassi and gets absolutely thrashed in again it. It was another match. The I'm hyping up and I'm looking forward to and I'm setting my alarm four and I'm I'm telling everybody about you've got to see this. This is Roger Federer. Guy Abate Sampras's plan Andre Agassi at the US Open. And he came onto the colts, wearing all red from head to toe, red shirt shorts, socks shoes. I mean it was dramatic size, and he couldn't cope with Agassi's broadside POW, taking time away from the baseline and he loss comfortably. And it was very short the week after that I that I chance to to go to Switzerland, meet him. And that was followed by other early round losses the next year. The Australian Open the the French Open Wimbledon. Loss is when he lost in the first-round tomato anche. All these question marks. That were being asked still lots and lots of great results in between these big losses but yeah, it took. It took a while. To, the finally sorted out. And, he played more Wimbledon in two thousand and two, and famously suffered, defeats on the Graveyard of champions cut number two to George Bastl in the second round, and he never came back to Wimbledon, so that was. Yeah, that was probably his last great chances of winning that title more time and he did. He did win one more Grand Slam and he had the opportunity to retire in in the best possible fashion at the US, open, in two thousand and two, but one of the things I texted the the group during the match with. Imagine telling Sampras during this or even after it that you'll never win at one, another Wimbledon and Matt you replied Imagine Telling Federal that he'd Renate. And I I mean I come. I really do think it's so difficult to get your head around the fact that they S- matches to one cent process the all time Grand Slam leader. Eight years later. Federal ever taken him another ten years later. Two more players will have overtaken him. I mean there's a I think there's. I think there's A. Possibility that people have a kind of collective amnesia about how good Sampras walls because of what federal? Jackovitch have done. And yet at the same time it is completely extraordinary that three players have managed to overtake Sampras when it took Sampras what thirty or forty years to catch Emerson's record, just just another indication of well over how great these these three are now in our area, but will just. How does how? Sort of perception of tennis history can change in such a short space of time. Also shows how the office of career changes because Pete. Sampras gave everything he had, and he was on fumes when he won the US Open and he hadn't even reached thirty and here these guys aw Roger. Federer's GONNA ten. What does it thirty nine next month? Nadal and Djokovic both comfortably into their thirties, so whilst it looks jarring now to see Sam Persson Fourteen and then on seventy, nine hundred and twenty slams. They've had several years in which to do it now. It's not too slight them, but I think that that they found ways to elongate their careers in a way that he couldn't and people, didn't them? In one last poetic twist about this fateful match in two thousand and one of course Roger Federer ended up employing Pete Sampras's coach at the time Paul annacone later on in his career in twenty ten when they started working together. Let's hear from pool on about that. When I started coaching Roger two thousand ten, and you know Pete. Nye were in are still good friends and and p. you know new Roger Because it port laid, and they're on the tour together for few years, so he got to know and Raj shares so humble he always looked up and still does look up to pass champion, so he kind of looked up to pete, so when Roger started dominating at Wimbledon started, stink back. He could not understand what happened to grass-court tennis I I. Don't understand. What's happening and actually ten talked about it a lot, too. And Tim Little Bit unfortunate for him. That kind of as Pete dwindled, and before Roger became great was really the same time that Wimbledon slowed the courts and the balls got heavier, and that was really you know to me. Detrimental Potenza game chances to winning Wimbledon and I was trying to explain to pete how the grass is thicker. The balls are a little bit heavier now. The new equipment the rackets in the strings allow players to return better from dead positions and pass better from dad positions, and so people started staying back, and so p could not understand it. He was like I. Don't get it like you can't serve in Bali and I said I. Don't I gue- goes I just don't get it. He said how you know you even use of. Serving with basketballs and he can serve and volley still I. Don't understand that, and so basically I said look Rogers come into La next week on the way to Indian Wells. Let's go out to dinner and you can ask him about it. And, so it was, it was one of my one of my highlights was being able to go to dinner with Roger and Pete, and all of our wives, and all the women were at one end of the table, and the men were at the other end pizzas got to quiz Roger on all the stuff about tennis, and it was so great just to cause Pete was trying to understand how the game. Game had evolved to where it was and Roger. Was Roger Roger. He was great. He was totally forthcoming and I remember Pete asking about Wimbledon and going well. What happened when we played you? Serving volleyed? You came in all the time. And you know what? Why is it like that? And why are you still? How come how he's staying back and Rogers took a beat for a moment and he said. Well everyone kind of place like that now and. I just feel comfortable. Playing like that and I'm just a little better than them plan like that now, so you know and it wasn't like being arrogant was just kind of factual. He's just like well. You know and then, and then will want you know what if what if you played me and I came? He goes well, then I come in more. You know I wouldn't want all all those passing shots. I wouldn't WanNa be, but everyone kind plays like that, and so from the back of the court taking the ball early I feel aggressive i. feel confident on this surface. Doing that I feel like it's really comfortable, and that's just how it's evolved, so it was a great. Hours of of. You, know a Roger Federer and Pete San Dialogue that if I was smart I would've been recorded, but I did. Oh to be at that dinner. That's sort of Martina Hingis esque line. He recalls from federal. I'm just just better than them. As it kind of is arrogance, but it is also factual. Just he just has it out is and it's not something that everybody takes Kinda too. I think that. The the other interesting thing is the way it's evolved because I. completely forgotten until till I read the article. That I'd written then is that when he first played Kafelnikov, he played in from the back of the Courts and digest, and that's what made me realize I need to serve and volley, because I can't beat this guy from the back of the call said we start seven, volleying literally every first and second serve against Sampras. Is One time where I seem seven. Stay back on the second serve, and then years later as he says it changes, everybody's just from plan from the back and fetters picking and choosing his moments to come fords, and now he's sort of reinvented himself again and I was interesting when Matt was saying that he's still liked to impose himself knows that moment in the match, I still think those will relatively sporadic. More reactive playback back then who would who had such a skill set and such reactions that he was able to just react to what you were doing and still beat everybody these days because he's older because he's well into his thirty's, he's. It's a much more assertive and premeditated. Strategy to impose himself, I am come and you've got to deal with it, but then he was so good that he could just just play that game. And this this ability of federal over the years to have adapted his game and play in so many different ways is is the kind of thing stats about titles. Come really pick up, but it's it's such a next to his name in terms of what makes him so great and I think the DA and Djokovic had it is. I think the dolls certainly. kind of adapted from a clay-court game early on prosper services and Jackovich's adapted to Federer the dull, so they've all done it, but. For Federal I mean I was looking according to ESPN this match veteran semper's there were two hundred fifty four seven volley points, and then in the two thousand nine Wimbledon final that Federer Roddick. There were eleven serve and volley points, and it's a different sports I mean obviously a lot of that is the way that the surface change, but federal played through that and adapted to the surface, and I remember Jimmy. Connors quote from years ago, saying in this area, you're either clay-specialist across. Across specialist a heart specialist, your vote, your federal, and he kind of he kind of normalized, I mean Agassi oversee while new services, and didn't himself as well and oversee lots of Women Dade, but federal sort of really normalized being able to be good on all services in this era and Yeah, I mean it's just it's just fascinating to watch shipments, thousand and one playing one way, and then throughout his career playing in so many different ways subtly different ways that you've. That the ESPN graphics system of putting ticks and crosses next to somebody's name Federa. Adapting skills tick, serve tick. What would? Wouldn't ESPN PEDANTIC NEXT FOR FEDERER NERVE? He's got no nerve. Break Point and match point. So that's the famous fourth-round match in two thousand and one spoiler alert. I've already given it away. Federal did not go on to win the tightly lost in fact in the next round, the quarter-final Tim Henman. And he went on to least go aren't even as it in one of my famous semi. Final matches of all time played over three days. And tomorrow we will be focusing on the final. That year played of course on people's Monday between Gordon even shrank two hundred and twenty five in the world and Pat Rafter the two-time USA open champion. We're looking forward to this one we offer. You. Can Watch it now I mean the things we we try to watch the last. Set together all these matches I. How can we? How can we avoid? Any of that was fair. That's all now stopping you David of them, potentially you, your wife and children that require him schooling, but. We're certainly not gonNA, stop, P. That's tomorrow potentially for today for David Watch along with us. If you fancy, it wanted to refresher. Yeah thanks to both of you. Thanks to Andry Dana Research to relief providing me with facts about wikipedia and Billy Irish educating David About Billy Irish is. 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Roland Garros Day 13 - Nadal vs Djokovic is on! But it nearly wasn't.

"Hi this is Marion Bartoli Mats Wilander. This is Mary Carillo Rowing I'm letting you it. I'm andy this is Yannick Noah and you're listening to. PODCAST. So when the weirdest of years, absolutely the weirdest of Tennessee is we are somehow going to end up rounding off the final Grand Slam. If the season with the most familiar of sites, we're going to see rough on the dull Novak Jackovitch play for the fifty sixth time in their careers. That is right. Fifty six. Contesting the French Open men's final. It's. Amazing it's like A. Incredible irony somebody's. Somebody's I mean. I've come onto this early than I intended to but my my did both predict this. It is the most predictable thing. Isn't it in the most unpredictable Va's Rafael Nadal against Novak Djokovic inch. Thinking predictable is and then I was thinking what the hell did not predict. I mean. Anyway. Let's forget about that. Yeah it's. When you actually think about it given what they? Have done to the rest of the tennis world for goodness, two years now and particularly given the third wheel is not there Roger Federer it's not surprising. Is it? What is nice though is that at least it is like me do think that there's a possibility dominant team could have broken up the group at the top there for this tournament, and then today we've seen a guy. WHO's pushing and trying to get their who has. Given. Me that little bit of kind of domes team like hope that. There is another person who's going to force his way in and that's deficits. Do you wear the kind of trolling where to get get from federal funds. Say cooled him in third wheel tough for federal third wheel, the Dow, my equally Grand Slam recode. It's a comfort. Well, it's a compliment. Is never a complete what's it usually useful? Just means you're step Paul doesn't it? Kind of is at the moment. This is. Even relevant clashing you mate state or something would he's he's he's relevant and third wheel Q. Trolling. Great. He's rehabbing his name please assign these quotes, David Law, not the tennis. Direct. So we're either GONNA wind up with with Nidal Equaling Federal, twenty organ end up with each of them on eighteen nineteen and twenty very, very hypothetical question you roof. You very early with all of this. Oh. WHO's he supporting? Supporting. The now. Well Yeah. Okay. I think he can make peace with Nidal. Taking him in a way that he. Perhaps couldn't make a peace with Jovic taking him. And I also think if Dole wins. That really extends how long Djokovic needs to stay at the top and winning Grand Slams in order to overtake him, you're looking at probably two more years worth which I'm sure he's capable of, but it's a very, very big task whereas if he gets eighteen on Sunday, you could very much see in equaling Federer's record next year. Crikey. So that Sunday. What about today? Should we should we start with the story she go? Should we go chronologically suit forty forgotten? Man I feel I remember the first two games I. Feel like I, know this is extremely reductive but I kinda feel it. That was the match. Yeah. I think I think that's actually doesn't capsulated on the whole doesn't it because the first game fourteen minutes long and it was no holding in fighting and keeping Schwartzman at bay just about is when when he and he wasn't really playing that well early on. The Dallas I think he was playing quite castle i. Don't think he was feeling the ball there was that much confidence amazing to think that these people. Who are this? Great? get nervous but that's that's how it looked I'm pretty sure that's how it was but he got through the game the way he does and then east struck on one the second game he he's he's. Too Up. And I just of saw I mean these games well asked him forever wasn't about twenty five minutes for two one or something like that. But yeah, I mean it did feel like the match as a whole even third separates closer but Yeah that was where the Metro was one. Yet felt like a match in terms of Nidal of three quite distinct phases. I felt a slightly nervous. Okay. Start where he had to weather a storm with shorts from playing really really well, the middle portion of the match I thought in the dollar was really strong and I think that was probably when the conditions favored him the most it was when. It was sunniest. Okay. There was this shadow on the call which was also difficult as a viewer but I I it was difficult to play in as well. But I thought on the dollar was really strong through the middle, our that match, and then the part that stays stays with me. The most is the dog getting pretty tight in that third set. Seeming, nervous, seeming a little bit fatigued I felt and twice giving up his his break of serve and dating Schwartzman back into the match. But then also once it got really really sticky for him raising his level when he when he needed to five, fifteen, forty down, came up with three four ham winners then faced another break point and came up with the serve and volley, and it was that intense and that aggression which I think had been missing from him for that set. Of Conservative and then he just stepped it up even more in the tie-break it seven love didn't so. The me the it was one of those matches where because the end was kind of exciting and memorable I I actually, slightly forgot more about the star in the middle of it. That was my lasting impression, the doll being a little bit nervous. But when he needed to finishing it off and I, think that was his his assessment as well. He was happy with the way played but also thinks that he needs to step it up another level for the final. I. Think. I think why excited so much on aping couple of games in particular that opening Nidal Service game where Schwartzman had multiple breakpoints. And as you say, forty minutes long was because. Even at the time it. It felt crucial. It felt essential that dagger Schwartzman broke serve and that may be sounds ridiculous. But I. If we if we've learned that had anything emphasize to about. The very, very top players Nidal Jovic. I was GONNA to say federal but he's third willing his way through Switzerland at the moment not not federal. It's the. You you will get one or two chances and you have to take them, and if one of those is in the opening game of the match, you've got to be ready for it and you've got to take it because they will slam that door shut on you. So quickly, they'll jam your fingers in it, and that is kind of what happened isn't it? I mean you just knew the wasn't going to get a chance like that for the set and it so it proved over and it's in the blink of an eye. The tables have turned so quickly. I said he deny. On whatsapp group in In the third set, the David commented on on how on how nervous Nidal suddenly looked and it did. To Me have real echoes of that just in adults demeanor of that twenty nineteen US Open final when he suddenly tightened up and got nervous against Memphis Evan and let him back in the door I I didn't think that would happen to that extent against today. But a betty's Betty's relieved that that was over in in three cents especially given what happened in the second semifinal which it have been watching with feet up and. A buccaneer twits if he was anything like me. I mean because the the mental Scottish you even as when they've won as many times as they have if they start to get a bit of a routine of doing that of losing leads like he did against Medvedev I think can one can affect another one in the future and? I think when plays age they do become quite prone to this even the very best of players I remember speaking to Martina Navratilova commentary once about it and she said, it definitely happened her late on that it's harder to close that you do get more nervous when you're older. Lleyton Hewitt lost so many matches late on in his career that he was winning because his his kind of nerve went and I think it's that feeling of mortality of of have I still got to see can I still get over the line I still want to be able to do it but can i? mean the Dow has proved today he just kept on putting his foot down I mean fourteen minute first game in that match. Chris Clarry tweeted if this match carries on at this rate in his six, love six, love six love it or before hours. Plus. Long. But I mean the speed with which it then accelerated and games were flying by was was extreme but you're right when it got in that third set, the looking Dallas is and some of the Mrs. Because he got got himself broken back you just not expecting that and does it makes you question. What is your belief system I think? That we've built up have many many years of evidence with these plans but. Still, he he finished emphatically the fact that he brushed that off in that third set tiebreak the way did I think is. What will really satisfy him? Yeah. I think I think he'll be extremely pleased with how today when he he's he's extremely he respect Jagdish Schwartzman wachsman allot doesn't he's got a Lotta time for Diego Schwarzen- he was not taking us not taking that challenge likely at all today no hint of complacency. And Yeah, he got to put his feet up and watch his final opponent. Get. put through the ringer didn't like he was going to get put through the ringer but. Put through the wringer he was you'd David three sets of commentary I was worried in in you doing one three and five of sit surpass and Djokovic and I was worried after the third set that. That there was nowhere for you to go fully boys your enthusiasm and. Well it was magnificent your the way you brought that set of tennis in the drama it to live but I thought. Goodness me if this guy to five. Stay we can do is HE GONNA go? He's going to have to reach for the whiskey. And then goodness knows what might have happened. That third set was is the ultimate as a commentary experience I would say just because it felt so unlikely when it was going along and if we go back to the start of the match, the ad exchanges were good I mean in terms of just to tennis plays, digging it out I really really enjoyed the match and I thought I would and I did. It's just that sits surpass wasn't Winnie near the important points was what C. Zero for ten on break points throughout the match until that third Saturn Jackovitch just seem to have the measure of him and he and Jackovitch was on it today there was no type on the back of his neck, those no anxiety and I really feel. That there's a good chance that some of the physical distress he was sitting in the previous round and even in the practice was because he was stressed at the prospect of plane Karenna buster again. Who We know what happened last time he played I can imagine that being the case. But there was none of that today. He was. Serene, for the first couple of sets, he was playing very cleverly lots of drop shots, lots of wrongfooting shots, just making a guy who moves to sit surpassed look sometimes a little bit heavy legs just because he's a big frames heavy. Suddenly having to move on a dime light that. But to get to five four. In the third set serving for it and have matchpoints. If somebody told me we have another two hours a tennis point I would not have believed it possible. Not Zimring is nowadays. I'm free tonight if everything free because it's finished too late and nothing's open. So I'm satire. Of this. Oh God? He's holding a really small set Suma. That's it. Almost whiskies have gone everything's gone but I, don't care because I'm high on the adrenaline of what we've just experienced and yeah I mean when when he came back. And the crowd were into it and sit surpass was plan out of his mind to to turn that around and break twice in a row forget because he started serving in the fourth set as well. He was absolutely spellbinding I thought and I just think even though he's ended up. A massive step in the career of Stefan sits pass to to be under the gun against one of the all time greats in a semifinal of a grand slam and just go away and turn it around a didn't win but he was a victory for him. It was one of those matches which really showed off the brilliance of the tennis scoring system I. Mean The the subtlest of change made the biggest difference in the match in terms of exactly as you said, David how they played on those big points I mean, you could literally draw a line down the middle of the match where the first half it. Was Novak Djokovic, playing what on the big points and sit surpassed. I thought to begin with was far too aggressive on them. He made errors on break point, and then he became far too conservative on them. He couldn't strike the right balance of what to do on those big points and Djokovic was a solid as anything just just that you'd expect from him. But then when Jackovitch came to serve for the match in that third set, he blinked on the big points and suddenly sits up pass was was the one in the world and he carried that on for the next hour. He was under constant pressure in that fourth on his serve and you said David on WHATSAPP group. Do you think we're getting a fifth set here? I said no I. Think we are because he's hanging on sits a pass I think eventually Djokovic is going to take one of these chances. And then he didn't, and then I started to think okay. Maybe we have a really really crazy match on our hands here where your kitchen level I don't think has dipped that much mismatch. She's just not playing the big points well, I wondered whether that would carry on in the fifth set but. It transpired the CIPA was spent in that fifth set and he said in his press conference, he was feeling an injury which he picked up in Rome kind of resurfacing and. Just I think the JEHMU tall of being under constant pressure and so many matches in his legs and that injury just all caught up with him in that fifth set and Novak Djokovic was ruthless and played a lot of drop shots made him run. As I said his his level didn't was fairly constant I felt throughout the match dot H. It was a high level throughout and he was forcing sits a pass to play at the top of his game to live with him, and soon as sit surpass dropped in that fifth said it was it was a bit of a non-event really. Just, an incredible effort from sits to pass to dig in and find a way and turn that match around and I. Agree. That's that's so encouraging for him going forward. Just affect us on these these opening couple of sets for for moment were what I thought. I thought Jakovich was just utterly magnificent. I was disappointed that it wasn't more of a contest I was disappointed that sits surpass was unable to you. To be more spectacular and some of his more explosive shots, one coming off. But that's what Jovic does to you. It's a slow strangulation isn't it is making you go that bit closer to the line, the new feel comfortable doing an. Yeah, he was picking picking pass apart in that way but sits at passes take just reading his press conference quotes on those opening couple of cents. With he wishes he could have figured certain things out earlier he says I didn't know I felt like it was total definition. The fact that I tried those things in practice and try to implement them in the match. It was something new I. Wish I wish I wouldn't have tried these things and tried to stay to my ordinary and basic way of feeding the bull and also trying to dictate the the game I think that was a huge mistake today that I tried this for two zero. Then came back to my old way of doing things. As you saw it was a good comeback. I think I played great tennis off to that except the fifth set which I believe my body was not ready. What do we think he was doing in these eighth inning two sets that he is he to oversee come onto the court thinking right? This is my strategy today might not be how it usually play, but this is what I'm going to do because it to my I looked pretty typical steph sits pass stuff. It was just Jackovitch was sup- Supreme Yeah. It's one of those way you would love to have a follow up and say, well, what were you trying out in those first couple of sets didn't work because I couldn't tell anything that wasn't normal I thought there were things that Djokovic doing to him that made life really difficult and it was almost like the games that he played against rib love when Rib Love was just. Sticking every single ball on the baseline and being relentless and was five three up on him. That seemed to last basic for two and a half sets in Jackovich's favor because that's just that's Jackovitch all all over. He's the best ever at that sort of type of tennis just no way through. There's just like an impregnable fortress but. What sits past is hang around long enough until really hit the zone himself I think because the way he was hitting. Through. Jock itch particularly in that force set when you described how you couldn't really see this kind of a five, I felt the same I he's out on his feet, but then he just zoned at the end of that right at the end of the fourth set stayed with him long enough until he just started hitting winners a little bit. It was a little bit like when dominant team played Jovic at some the O. Two when she played a good match and putting every ball in the baseline and sits and team is still hitting winners and the same with Verve Rinker, the French Open five years ago. It was that kind of little spell the got him into a fifth set. Actually incidentally thought Jockey Mitch had a little spell of his own right at the end of the match where you could see all the pressured suddenly gone from him all the tension had gone and he was just trying to hit spectacular winners out of the middle of the racket because he felt so good but. Tactically. I didn't I couldn't tell them everything and nothing really that the commentators I always, Widley on Smith Rhody, Roy my tension to anything that that sits pass was doing wrong I just felt like you said, he was he kept being put off balance because of. The clever way Jackovitch was playing. From fitting him didn't he that was a new picked up on that. Yeah. That was something that sits pass then started during. Certainly. That was one tactical thing he did change. He started back behind Novak Djokovic lot more. That was something February. Center noted on the IT commentary and that that did seem to really helps it to pass. It maybe got Jackovitch a little bit of balance. Sometimes himself I was most fascinated by that concept of sit surpasses. which we talked a lot about yesterday and one of the reasons why we think we gave him a fighting chance today against Yovich as he does have that belief that he can beat them almost thinks he should be beating them I think. That was really interesting to observe in the first two sets because I felt like that was to his disadvantage almost I, two sets because he couldn't believe what was happening to him and he let that stress him out and I think there was a period there where the match started to run away from him a bit certainly the end of that second set he kind of checked out of it. But, of course, the belief was also the pillar of the comeback. Very. Interesting. He he kind of needs to I think learn to accept that Novak Djokovic brilliant brilliant tennis player and is not gonna be able to beat him all the time and think maybe maybe that was a subtle change that happened in the third set where he thought okay. I. Just need to hang with him here I can't I can't expect to outplay him. But what I can do is perhaps get inspired for a moment and Nikko set like he did in the third and fourth and I think he became match tougher as the match went on and realized that he needed to pick his moments rather than getting stressed out by the fact that he wasn't outplaying Novak Djokovic. That's perfectly legitimate thing to not be able to do, and maybe that's something he learned as the match went on so interesting because it does not come naturally to. Think about how confused as well as despairing. He was after he lost to the dull at the Australian Open last year I can't believe that was any last year. In the semi finals after having beaten Federer couple of rounds before he oversee thel. Oh but I beat top is now I beat federal. So say this is another one of those a obviously I win I win these matches and he was so confused and. Surprised by and bewildered by wooded happen and that is that is not at all is seemingly his his reaction after the match tonight he's already in very ans. For. Previous Stephanos it to pass like. He's he's already talking about taking the positives. Despair level seemed to be relatively low mileage J. Manageable. Yeah I mean. The. The match you describe I remember after that because of this, almost t he when he was asked, which is the toughest of the top three to play said. Oh. Dal absolutely he's because because of the experience I'm I'm fairly sure. So again I do think he was rocked back on his heels by the fact that he suddenly found himself two sets to love down and and bright down against this guy who he's beaten twice before just different beasts in these Grand Slam semifinals. That's why this great But. Now I am the one thing that's occurred to me watching both Dowell jackovitch tonight and I'm sure there's been many other examples of it recently and the certainly plenty in in Federer's history over the last five years I think those players in the older years are becoming a lot more tactical the way they play tennis matches. The del beat Schwartzman today and and he wasn't just blitzing off the court. He was lifting those high lofted shotsie including on his backside down the line to Schwartzman's backhand and giving it flight and playing setting him up for opportunities to hit winners. That jackovitch hits a lot of drop shots now and drop shot lob combos with dozens of them in the match. They didn't use to do this in quite the. Strategic Way, I think they did at the start of their careers. I think I think Djokovic hit a lot of drop shots early on in his career but I think they were indulgent dropshots just think he enjoyed it. Now there's a real reason behind it. It's not just a point when it's a way to to. Take, the legs from under stephanus sit surpass look at rely Federa, starts suddenly changed his game and crowded the court and didn't play like you used to play they using the brains the older they get. Yes. Such a reason for their longevity the way they're able to add layers and. Kind of just improve European? Yeah. I was also very Impressed and surprised actually by how composed and calm Djokovic was today there was there was one moment where he let out this raw. I think when he broke actually to serve for the match in the third a turned to his box and one of his trademark rules but the rest of the match she was actually. Quite. Calm and sometimes, that can be a sign that he's not fully engaged in the match but I never felt that at all, you know he said on the core often didn't neither those fires burning inside but he was he was very conscious of the fact that he was trying not to show them on the outside and I'm not sure what to read into that. But there was certainly an opportunity for him to get frustrated today he he was in the lead in that match and suddenly it got very complicated for him and normally I would expect I don't know maybe a racket smash Shaw something but maybe it's an indication that he was satisfied with his level throughout an just you know maybe he would credit sit surpass for that comeback. Maybe he knew the if it went deep he he had him physically maybe wasn't ever that worried. Is I thought that quite interesting. How of the three of federal needle which chuck rich is the one who doesn't have a single facade federal. You know what? He's going to look like all the way through match no-doubt the same pretty much jock itch doesn't know he he he's doing it's feeling a he said, she said in his presidency of the day after that match I'm not a robot I'm not I'm not a and that's not to say that they are but he doesn't know how to do that. He doesn't matter just be one thing and win that way. and. I. Find that quite interesting. He's he does ride a wave of I think today I just think he felt really good I think he came out hitting the ball credibly well, he was pain free I think when he when he feels a pain, he panics and it's a massive deal too many lets everybody know about it but if he doesn't feel any pain at all and he feels really good and loose like he did today, he can just type people apart and that's why sits the past so well to hang with him. Did say that in his? Post, much interview. With Palin Disney which which was sort of vaguely foreseeable because. Jovic did the interview in French, which is, which is Great say peeling all the questions in French. Jovic in French and then such peeling who who is good English but very, very good at English but I don't think as good in English speaker as Novak Djokovic because Novak Djokovic is obsolete fluent. Like native speaker, fluent said, repealing then translates. Jovic is French into slightly broken English that jock each end up correcting him. and. I am I right in saying you speak French French probably isn't as good as English oh no no no, no one. No. is perfectly fine for a fairly basic uncle interview and it's great that he does that but nowhere near as I say he's a native speaker pretty much in English. Correcting it was it was pretty ludicrous. Any did he did the interview with both his racket bags one on each shoulder, which which is a real message move isn't it? It's keep the short May. Waiting backstage. and. I always feel like cedric. Slightly, insulting adults frank. He was asked Dow, the first question French, and then he asked him the second one in English as if to say, Oh, well, that was a fouled exercise. Let's just go with English. Yeah. It's like when you order something in freight French in the way to speak back to you in English die side and even ever got the confidence to speak French ever again. Ever tried to say anything to anybody in creation MOWERS, Croatian. When I went to gracious I, you know I've been studying that say something and they would often try to stifling laugh and then they would just speak to me in English because they love they love speaking into English. People say. Yeah and be. To anybody wants speak Cratia with me and. You don't. Understand. You. He said in his press conference Jovic few quotes coming out from that. He says, I feel fine a day and a half will be plenty of time for me to recover. I, look forward to a great match with Rafeh and he really did look physically. Pretty, much the same. The end of the month is at the start, which is I. Know It wasn't the longest five-set much and I know he didn't do as much running as is sits pass in his game, isn't as quite physical, but still for him to just. Look completely on both sides by the much with was was pretty spectacular really So joke vich against the Dow. Namie Brady now. I haven't updated few from her maybe you do David off to a the latter three cents. But after the first couple of cents I, think actually it was midway through the third set. Namie Brady and I think Leon Smith's agreed with our on their on five live with the said the joke of each playing like this is unbeaten unbeatable even fit twelve time champion Rafael Nadal there. It was quite. It was quite interesting because because I felt a bit of will hold Oldham the Dow's one of these things you know on this court and they were very strong on it. and. Obviously, that's before the comeback. The comeback happens jock itch gets the win, and after the match we we have further discussion and they're asked to pick winners including of the women's final on this final. And both of them went. Jackovitch. They. Just felt that his level in the two matches back to back, which is quite interesting. Given the one in three and Jackovitch one in five they just felt that Djokovic level was cleaner and. More or less perfect. Really. Okay. He did lose two sets but that wasn't really down to him and his level of play. So they both went for Jock itch. On the level I, think joke riches level has overall looked looked the better if the two but. It's not always the simplest that is. Just. Just set Djokovic was better. Yeah exactly. Embrace it to yeah and I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm just saying there's a lot more to it than that. It's not it's not just whoever's going into the final playing the best tennis. Match ups and it's twelve times champion. Sorry do you think there's a? ICON. Get. The Australian Open. Final if twenty nineteen out of my mind I do think there is a scenario in which. In which that happens but I think it's the most likely scenario. Yeah. It strikes me as a very interesting debate that we often have with matches about form versus history all the history he's telling you. Show from final, it kind of has to be an adult doesn't it? But. I think if you just look the form I mean, we haven't seen anyone win a match point against Djokovic this year no one's beaten him. And I thought back to back I would agree that he looked better today I think the tournament has gone as dog would've liked in terms of his incrementally increased his level but I don't think the growth is quite steep enough yet I thought he would be looking better than this. Personally by the semi final stage I think he was seven or eight out of ten today and I think he needs to be nine or ten out of ten to have to have A. Chance of beating Djokovic. It's possible. He will get there in in two days. I think conditions will be a factor. I've had a quick look and it looks sort of partially sunny with not much wind. I'd have thought a windy day might have helped him. We know Djokovic doesn't mind paying in the wind so. That could come into it Djokovic dominated the rivalry recently when foreseeing the last eighteen matches but then they're four and four and klay over the last eight took supplies such a level but nidal has to has to dig deep to beat Djokovic given the match up I think can I just don't know whether he's he's got the reserves having not had the matches in the last two or three weeks so. It's it's incredibly incredibly exciting to think we've not had them play on Garros for five years is is very interesting as well, and there's not much recent data to go on and the conditions are different. So. It's it's it's an exceptionally hard one to cool I. think there are so many cases you could make for either one of the and it was seven, five, six, three, six, one, the last time they played for Jovic but the Dow was going through a terrible time with his form at that point was knee in two, thousand fifteen and his that's the last time they played at Roland Garros. Yes. Yeah. Right yeah. Well, and that's the only time that the judge has beaten him run girls isn't it? and. I I I can't remember that many of them she's there. In a way, the matches that stand out to me a are the ones where she's got the better better of him. because. Of the the backhand down the line, the way he was just hurt in Nepal, and as you say fourteen, the last eighteen matches overall and then even the ones I think he's beaten him in Rome has knee a couple of times which which are the ones that Kinda remember as Jock itch finding way. Everything else is an avalanche of Nadal doing wanting to dow does to everybody and outlasting in a thing they had one classic the absolute classic. Yet twenty thirteen semi final they played was a was a classic and there was a the turned on a incident in the fifth set when Djokovic. Touch the net with his racket I think before the ball bounce twice on the side of the net and that was deep in the fifth set and it will change that was really nip and Tuck the whole way and then The twenty twelve final was the one that got postponed midway through the match to the Monday and that was conditioned lead as well. When that got heavy and wet. Djokovic started taking over I don't remember that much about the two thousand fourteen final only that I think Djokovic won the first set in our came back to win took over but I think in all those matches. has had to play kind of his best tennis just because the matchup favors Jovic even even on a or with that with that back then and of course is is has been capable in the past of finding his best I've just a not as convinced as I normally would be that the he'll be able to do it on Sunday. Around twenty four more hours to think fountain and quite using those. Tell you what? I sit here. I think I see I find myself going yet. No doubts done this to so and then Joe Joe of just remember when Joe and I'm finding. So many reasons to pull to sort of predicted the one would win. It is head on the chopping block time for the women's final tomorrow. Shintech and Kenan. What's happening and nineteen year old again, it's form versus history. Isn't it in one thousand, nine year old? WHO's playing? Just. Kind of the best possible Tennessee can imagine someone playing committing coming into a maiden Grand Slam. Final Essie may repairs against women? That's one. Grand Slam this year he's one fifty percent of the Grand Slams this year. J.. With. I mean. The, the best tennis has been found tech I. think she's played the best tennis out of every body probably mental women her tennis is just being ridiculous in particularly compared to what I expected. Sort of pound for pound, her tennis has just been. extraordinarily. She played the doubles final today a double semi final today and lost seven six, one, six, six, four, losing to disarray credit check and her partner. Alexa Karachi and this match was two hundred and twenty eight minutes long and I it was it was going on whilst the first men's semi-final was on not just kept seeing the old tweet pop-up insane this really intense and there's a lot going on. So. I sent a tweet to rent a Benfield then fell to who works in tennis from time to time and I said what's going on because he and I saw he was watching it and he said on Tekken medical we were had a double break lead in the first set the lost the tiebreak ran away with the second third was lots of breaks and some unlucky on the moments. And he that that was kind of the biggest wobble that he seen from. All the way through the tournament. Now, that may be irrelevant in terms of what happens in the singles final but I do think two and a half hours the day before you play the singles final I mean I don't know whether that's helpful or not I mean Leon Smith was saying he thinks that will probably be helpful for just get in the groove. No time to just sit around and worry about the final but I do wonder do wonder whether that may be problematic for. I think my biggest question going in to the final tomorrow is a how. Do with a first Grand Slam final. I. Just don't think you can know the answer to that. When she walks onto court sees the trophy. How does that affect her I think you'll probably cope well, but I just don't know and the other one is, how will she cope in a stressful situation in the match because we've not seen that this tournament. So from that point of view, I was keeping an eye on the doubles today because that was a stressful. Match and by all accounts she she did get pretty tense. There was an argument she had with the Empire and the third set when she focused the ball at the throat of her racket and the Empire felted hand and there was there was a bit of a confrontation about that and she got she got pretty upset about it but she gave some quotes afterwards saying she generally get more stress than doubles anyway given that kind of responsibility she fails to her partner. I have no reason not to believe that that is the case so. I'm very very interested because I do think cannon will put her in more difficult situations than she's been in this this tournament and. And she won't go away and and and Canon has proved that she won't go away and she performs well in the biggest moments and if she can make it close, I think Kenan becomes the favorite. So I think it's it's kind of on Kenan to stick with tech and hope that she can pound some on those moments even if she's getting outplayed in the match by feeling tech paying the mole to matic extraordinary tennis Very, interesting women's. Doubles final by the way, it will be grouchy and craft chick. Yup. I'm PRONUNCIA completely different way to how David did a few moments ago but that we go committed to it now they will play Bob Borough, Krige Cova and Casuarina York of they won't. Sorry. I tell alive they'll play tomato bubble and Christine Madonna Vich he beat critic over and Senio verse six, two, four, six, seven, five. In the first. Semifinal on land today. So that'll be the women's doubles final the men's doubles final is tomorrow fully the women's singles final on Philip shut. That's the defending champions Covets and me stay play package and Bruno Suarez. So that's the doubles Does anyone want to say anything make any further boulder predictions about the women's final tomorrow before I round up a few more results? I think. The number of sets. His. Cannon. In three you both go and Kenan hang on. Predicted to win the tournament four days ago. Tries remind. Right. You Katherine. I'm getting Sean check into. I. Agree. With the tighter, it gets the more at back cannon. So if it went to three. I would. Switch prediction but engaged taken to. Right then we have had We've had a bunch of other results rice around the doubles for years. We've had the remaining boys and goals. Singles semi-finals for junior finals are set and the boys junior finals. Boys unifying is going to be an all Swiss fat. Is this the Roger Federer effect that third wheel? It's inspiring. Genius. Labor, Switzerland. It's going to be Dominic Stephen stricker. Be One Battista Torres of Argentina Stein he will take on. Leandro Reedy. His country boy. I said Dominic Stephen Strelka Gopher like the Gopher. Yeah. It Says D. stricker beat J. B. Torres in the results page and in a spectacular school line it was six love five, seven, six love. Amazing. School, on I believe they've both been train with federal in Dubai during the last of season. Started this year I think I think they were both with federal. So yes, a little trickle down effect and didn't stand rinker win French Open Juniors I think. There's another Swiss connection. Yeah I like it in the girls singles final it's It's a Frenchwoman or French go. Elsa Giacomo. A done if she has any connection to the brand of men's clothing but. We'll. We'll charge clarify that for anybody. That's interested Elsa. Giacomo. Is the third seed from France. She beat Alina Raver. Today Alina. Note today. Excuse me today she be Alexandra. I'm going with Ella E. A. L. A. if anyone wants to correct me then you very welcome to and she's from the Philippines. And I. I'm not sure I can think of a a a significant player having come out the Philippines before. That's a really interesting at sort of light more about a but let's start with learning how to pronounce your name. and it will be Giacomo playing Alina Sharib In the goals singles, final predictions, anyone. I think the SWISSCO. I. Think stricker. Steve. Steve Stricker for the win. Okay. We've also had some wheelchair results today and we're going to have some more tomorrow. So much is Let's of finals on the order of play. Tamari Unique Msci has beaten her countrywoman. Otani. Six two, six, one in the wheelchair women's singles final, and that is a fourth French Open title for you committee. She has also, it doesn't end there for you. We can meet g she and her partner Jordan Wally reached the doubles final six, six one they won't today over and famine and they all aiming to complete the slammed, the one, the US entitled, and then you can meet. Jordan. Wiley they are such a lovely partnership they speak. So they give me the fails they give me the Mo you ever fails. Jordan widely talks about you MIJAS her says sort of she says work wife, which is actually accident loved that phrase but you know she's she's going to be She's going to be made Vulnera-, her wedding and. I think she describes her sort of her soulmate, which is really lovely and they're a very formidable partnership. So they will play in the wheelchair doubles final tomorrow against data to greet and It's Anna Van Koot. The Dutch partnership. Is the older. French. Open website not having the first names. I'm pretty sure it's Anna van Koot. So, that he's the pace looking at me like I'm. Fine, job. That facial expression is, is it? Thanks very much Matt. So that's the women's doubles final tomorrow. That's the lost much on season long. From Danny. I've. Put I've had she shoots to honor. It did that is unconfirmed by the way didn't an oh Oko and Andy Lapthorne the top tea seeds will play the quote. Wheelchair. Men's singles before that. Andy Lapthorne. Has Never. Won The French before he's won the Australian he's one US Open a couple of times he's reached the final the Australian Wimbledon and now the French opens that's already a big result for him additional court. One he's the defending French Open champion say topsy tea seeds playing in that one. Sorry and I much of the day on Long Island. It is Alpha Hewitt on of another one to Google David J Gerald of Belgium. That is the men's will singles final. I'll tell you that Alfie Hewitt and Gordon read won the men's wheelchair doubles title today beating Shingo Can, Nita and G. Fernandez. In the final and that means that those two of one. Have won the slam which is amazing. Jordan moily and Yui comed- G who are going for the Twelfth Grand Slam title tomorrow in the Wheelchair Women's doubles final and Hewitt and Gordon read have one ninth grand. Slam title together. These are big numbers. Boundary you're King Gerard. By the way they came. Thank you. You might your money first name specialist with the. Not particularly helpful friendship and website I did when I was when I was through days numbers and. Results today and it sometimes can be difficult to keep track of them because there are seven events as a singles there's the doubles. That's the quote events as well. It did I mean an again me forgetting Brit centric, but it did strike me just. How successful we as a country? Oh. Wheelchair tennis and a lot of will chessboard actually end. There aren't many things to be proud of in this country at the moment and I just had a wave of pride about that. So really. Yeah. So really good thing to be high achieving at. And it's great. I couldn't agree more. So. 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Tennis Aggro 2

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Tennis Aggro 2

"Hi this is marion. Bartoli mats wilander. This is mary carillo. i'm son rohingya. And lighting hewitt. I'm andy murray. This is yannick noah. And you're listening to the tennis podcast. Well happy new year. Everybody in the words of rafael nadal. We say goodbye to year. That is better to forget without any doubt. These words quoted by our matt roberts on twitter very perfectly to ring in the new year. Say thank you for bringing those words into all of our lives. Yes and he said it with a raised eyebrow yes especially to forget. I'm not sure i need. This will but harari. It's twenty twenty one. Welcome to what hopefully will be a better year and the benchmark is low. You're already feels better. We welcome in to the a twenty twenty one our first weekly pet moscow. I'm like david with the i. I grow show. I'm like waiting to burst. Three zoom screen Because i'm so excited about this and in particular. I mean obviously the rule. Wonderful if you if you've banks yourself a pet mascot slot in all kickstarter then it's it's gonna be great. I am going to fall in love with your pets. Don't worry but i am very excited about lovely roxy. He is kicking things off for us. Roxy is owned by lovely julie who for the past. is it threes. julie has been very first kickstarter backer. Three peat 'threepeat. It's always think of that opening round on. He wants to be a millionaire. The fingers rounds which. I think julie would absolutely nails should get in the hot seat every time. Gone julie julie julie's roxy and She has sentenced a package of content re roxy which will be drip-feeding on our social media throughout the week. Roxy is a nearly nine year old. Heavy jack which extraordinarily is a breed of dog. I was not previously aware of so. I've learned something about canines this week. Which is a jack russell. Mix very appropriately very aptly for for week one Custody of roxy is shed between julie. Enter brother peter Which is the arrangement. That i've got going with with billie jean. So that's all very lovely. I'm we'll be telling you more about roxy in the newsletter we pictures of her otc by telling me. She's had quite the haircuts this week. Before and after pitches are going to be available so hello roxy thanks for being a mascot. And hello. And thanks for your. You'll three peat of support. It's all very much appreciated. Shoutouts back as well. You have to wait to the end of End of the episode for those alternatively. This is your warning to turn off about a minute and a half before the end of the episode. A fee don't enjoy the shoutout portion of precedings and we've got present mascots as well of which news. I'll tell you all at the end of the show so they were going to switch off. That didn't like shout outs now thinking oh but i want to hear about the present moscow say on youtube does the But with admin out to the way. And i think this time around this any tennis news to bring you mean. Plays a sort of making their way to various places. Mostly the middle east. Aren't we were starting to see pitches of tennis players on planes but apart from tennis place boarding planes There's not really any news at anything to report. There's nothing standing. In the way. David of us and i grew. No which is the way i like. So without further ado she we resume tennessee's best of agro countdown. We got down to two number six last time. I'll remind you of the parameters of this in case you missed grow one. He missed. I grow one. I mean really. They're already polls in. This won't go and listen to that one but we have very specifically chosen a particular subset of our gray. Which grow that makes us. Smile pantomime style. Agra not agree with a nasty edge or particularly negative consequences. There'll be there'll be a couple of things in this one that do have a slight dark underbelly and we won't shy away from those basically. This is all homeless childish. Pantomime angry that we're allowed to smile at. And if you don't like that definition. As i said last time there's no other podcasts. Offering a best of agra selection. So you just have to lump. It davis like god. If i was renting this would be. This would be a lot less sort of aggressive but it is the gropes say it only feels appropriate. So we're going to start with number five just to remind you who is in at ten to six. Last time. We had a serena yankovitch incident in dubai. We had Sarah irani medley in it. Eight in particular. What you save. I'm also incident. That benign at number eight. We had the very infamous famous moment between kim. Ses or sort of more than a moment. Really the the extended incident between andy. Murray thomas berbick and lastly kim says then we had roddick's runabout jovic followed by joke about roddick to the. Us open crowns. And then we had john mcenroe in sweden in nineteen eighty-four saying what was it. He said david he said and so the question the question jerk. That's what i wanted. More impersonations may or may not be coming over the course of this episode For number five. I don't think impersonations will be required because the audience captured it so perfectly. And i'm not sure even if you trying to satirize the you could do better comic delivery than than andy murray himself in either the two clips that we're going to play because we've done a bit of an andy murray medley for number five because we couldn't choose between his two greatest grow hits and we didn't want him you know clogging up the whole of the top ten because there were so many great entries to choose from so it's a little bit of a an andy murray gio and we start with andy. Murray and fabio fanini at the shanghai masters in twenty nineteen This is of course. One of andy. Murray's comeback events of hip resurfacing surgery He plays that. Swing doesn't an shine on of the ends up winning winning that tournament in antwerp indoors. Sort of at the end of that swing He's battled through in three sets against one londero in the opening round and he's facing february fanini in round two. It's a settle and five oil and murray serving and has a point for for six five which he wins with an easy. Put away volley. And let's remember that. This is a huge opportunity for him to be a top ten player. Ibni is ranked number ten in the world at this point and that would be huge. Marine is in a position may be to go and go and win so he couldn't just the point he's leading six five and then this. Nc's six games too far. Would you say to everyone you say that you do. The same in every match doesn't matter who you play exactly. I know exactly what happened. When i had the on. Top of the net. He shows up on shots and then tells me. Don't look at me to shouted in the middle of telling me that i know i understand. But he's the one chance to do with him out of the shuts up is just one of the most epic things that's ever been said on a tennis court. In my opinion. I mean the most giftable one of the most giftable moments in tennis history. I would say and as we as we were saying right throughout. I grow episode one. The most important thing about i grow is that they own it afterwards and don't back down. Well bless andy. Murray because fanini went on to win that match in a tiebreak. We'll watch that. Incidentally didn't we at a at a steak restaurant in solihull Very happy memories and we played it for the restaurant. Basically yes those so murray loses a very close match. He's asked about that incident impress and let's just say he's he's not ready to let it go. So i had a volley on top of the nat. So someone yeah. Someone made a noise. I didn't know who made the noise. I looked in the direction of where the noise came from. He then told me. Stop looking at me. What are you looking at me for. And i was like well i had just about to head shot and someone made annoys me then was saying telling me to stop looking and which normally when someone shows in the middle of a point with this rare that that happens. He told me to stop complaining to have a sense of humor. That you know when you have a volume of that you know. You're not going to miss it and i was like no. I'm not going to miss it. I wanted to know where the noise disowned came from. And it came from him which are not allowed to s- against the rules. It's hindrance solution. But he said. I should have a sense of humor about that and neither goes i. I would say in that moment. Neither of us were sort of joking laughing kind of mood and that was. That was the issue cracking. Isn't it a no lose the point. It's just the dogwood. The biden plan when they get in in a competitive dialogue as well as everything else. Isn't it they just come let it go. And he's he's one of the extremes of that love and for it as a player. I love watching him. Because yeah it's i am not backing down. No chance number. How petty cans. I would be exactly the same. Like i know i'm right. I don't care how petty i sound i will. I will make show. You'll know him right. Yes i think we need a moment to appreciate the incredible delivery of shut up just treating me like the child that feeney's acting like with of unfortunately the podcast medium doesn't allow us to convey this. The youtube clips will be available the links to them in our show nate's as as with the previous episode but the hand motions that accompany the up and in fact all the outburst on the court a quite sensational and there is a movement weapon any sort of does a mock impersonation off the hands. The flailing andy murray is is doing. he's he's stood up at the net sort of hand on hip with the other hand. Sort of flailing around in gestures. Well focus murphy's just saying i i know he's being charges. Let just let me deal with it for just not telling me anything. And of course the the running theme between this andy murray entry and it's co andris which takes us back to munich. Twenty fifteen is the theme of andy. Murray picking up on a player doing something that the well known for doing repeatedly on the tour. And almost feeling like he's picking the fight for the rest of the tour because in munich. Twenty fifteen. it's the quarterfinals. And andy murray is taking on lucas russell. of once upon a time beating adult fame and russell shoulder barges murray the change of ends midway through the first set the first incidentally that lucas russell one six four marie immediately at that point looks up to the empire. Cedric maria. nothing really happens he just does not going to do anything about that. gesture then upon resumption russell is at the baseline waiting to serve an andy murray. Just discount let it go every week. Anyone that couldn't quite hear that. And i turn the levels up his high as i could without too much distortion. He says nobody likes you. And then doubles down and said nobody likes you on the tool which it might sound unkind and potentially is unkind But just forbid a background. I mean lucas russell was pretty well named for this stuff was an eight. He had done some kicking over on the dole's water bottles wimbledon We turn it doesn't sound like an active war. It didn't tennis terms that is kind of you know thought shooting. Franz ferdinand isn't it that is really massive. And the previous week in bucharest russell had been playing gmc lopez and garcia lopez. I couldn't find footage of this could only find write-ups garcia lopez seemed to kind of forget about the handshake at the net momentarily and then remembers and goes to shake russell's hand and russell Being not the big man Snob like takes his hand away. Infuses to shake it Sees he's got a bit a previous nundy. Murray wanted to to make that point. I mean it was a bit like you know. Maradona against david Alien new much. Say did you deserve what was coming to you. After that if someone if maradona read studded sledging in saying nobody likes you until may have you believe it was even worse now. Everybody hates you. I think yes. She said which. Which sounds even more extreme but maradona. god rest. His cell wasn't very happy with an october. The russell isn't an interesting. what isn't he because he was quite happy to get into dallas face back that the jury in that match and when when i interviewed him in i interviewed him at the. Us open ahead of a match. Maybe against murray again. I can't remember who played. But we were interviewing him as the british precedent must've been and it was after this incident and i asked him about his run with andy murray And he's faced turned in an instant telling me about. This and i felt awkward. Just tearing you related a story. You know a hat to ask. I was doing the right questions. First for bbc radio all journalists were behind me. So you know you've got to ask your your. I mean partly policy a job. But also i'm in front of everybody i can't bodily. I'll see how it goes for david. So you can every down the mine but bolden and of course. I'm of their number. The only one that is able to to look to. Ira even slightly look down on six foot. Five inch lucas. Also so i. I think a pretty much went on tip toes to just try to make sure. He realized that i was going to do this. And i wasn't going to back down. So i just said know on a repeated. It tim andy. Murray said on courts that everybody hates you in a match. What's what is your. What's your view of that. Now all this time on and and he just looked me in the eye. The stone look imaginable. He just said. Have you got another question. And i said no. His question chilling. You just answer that one. Would you want what you want to answer that. One and Eight e kind of answered it. I mean but he didn't from moment. Stop trying to make me feel uncomfortable. But i just cared onto person. That does seem to be tactic. Doesn't it make people feel uncomfortable but against these top guys. It rarely works does it. I mean he won that first set and went on to lose much as we were saying about marine and bird. Ick the other day in new saying the commentary. You need the news but it got embroiled in that. He'd lost this on it. I was trying to remember when you were describing the fania upset trying to remember who won the match and i was quite surprised to find out the marine. Yes i remember thinking. Once you've told you opponent to shut up. You really need to win. Ideally i think russell against the dow was the exception wasn't to that rule it did work at wimbledon for him but most of the time as you say ruffles their feathers and they they get a bit of extra motivation out of it. These top players. I think possibly the distinction between the two. And i don't know have quite some nina about the incident but i suspect cellini could laugh at it and laugh at himself in a way. That may be lucas russell. It sounds like wasn't in the mood for loafing. It doesn't seem the type to me to go. I laugh about it afterwards. Nice thank you. They lucas fighting as much i grew over the is spin. Enjoy and thank you andy. Murray fuel spectacular comic delivery so that is in at number five in for to david and the entry that that was supposed to be in last week's episode. I would say of of all of them. This is maybe the one that i don't walk away just with a smile on my face about feel conflicted about this and it was it was there isn't unpleasant edge to it but also it is very amusing at the same time and four it. We're gonna go back. Twenty five and a half years to nineteen ninety five wimbledon and jeff tarango born not born. I'm i'm a year away. Crikey failed the previous. This is the first year i'd ever been to. Wimbledon queued all night on the streets to get into wimbledon. And i'd gone out to court number two to have a look at a match involving the exciting young ukraine player Medvedev he was getting beaten by an american. I'd never heard of called jeff tarango Such a ranga wins this match and begun away and that was quite a shock. You know medvedev being spoken about him and so this was a big deal And then i got home. A couple of days later and our turn on the tv and deadline and the great tv presents a of the day who used to present grandstanding and the wimbledon coverage on the bbc. He suddenly adopted that serious face of his as he said. Something has happened at wimbledon today. The likes of which we've never seen before. This was not live this recording. He said we've never seen anything like this before. Just have a look at this. We'll play it for you. No no no. No no. I've seen it on. Tv a million times. That's a what of wanting to well. They could say whatever they want to me. He call the supervisor cleese. I have a big beat. You are the most corrupt official in the game. And you can't do that. Correlation bubble abuse point and so with jeff tarango training by set to love and three games to one in the second-set against alexander. Maroons tarango's eighty in the world's he'd never been beyond the third round of time before. This is a big deal for him. But if you didn't hear him complete the first part of that he said to the crowd who was heckling. You told him to shut up. And he got given of warning for an audible. Obscenity which i think is what really set him off. because it's not audible obscenity. Maybe you shouldn't do it. But that's what he got given it four and went from there. I'm definitely borrowing the expression. I have a big beef But yeah toronto then stumped off the court and and the only time it's ever happened. Just defaulted himself from the match. Just refuse to play left and went back to locker. Was he leasing jalen but he he just napped. i mean. in the moment he he completely snapped and it doesn't end there because he went into the press conference and and made it considerably worse. Because he didn't back down from any of his pretty slanderous accusations and and also his wife was in the press conference room as well and And she his ex wife at the time and or she is now and she She needs to be ex wife that she assaulted the umpire as he made his way. Back to the referee's office she slapped him around the face and basically tried to defend jeff tarango in the press conference room in front of a full room of journalists and just fights it help fight his corner and as he was as well tarango was then fined. Ten thousand pounds By the all england club which was the heftiest some. They had ever imposed for uncle to fence. The penalty was in three parts Six and a half thousand foot verbal abuse to the unpack Two hundred and fifty pounds unsportsmanlike conduct. Fatality crashes shuts up and three thousand two hundred and fifty five to complete the match resulting in the default they found tarango guilty of aggravated behaviour conduct contrary to the integrity of the game and then he was banned from wimbledon the following year. Now this continued on for quite some time because they got to the us open and And tarango launched an pale against the sanctions against him and he was made aware that you know if if he would lose he would also be banned from the australian open. So things were escalating. I mean i read the press conference that he did at the us open. You could fail the the way this was just following him everywhere and he couldn't he couldn't actually he get away from it a toll by now he'd really dug himself in day and And his results seemed to be relevant. Ready to to the story of him has been the only player that ever walked on a match by the time. December nineteen ninety-five came. He issued a an apology via the grand slam committee in which he said. I made some public remarks about a tennis official which has sincerely regret. And i unequivocally apologize to mr brunner for any embarrassment This incident caused him and his family. I do not intend to make such a mistake. Ever again He makes further words to to apologize and and does have his fine reduced because things were escalating and he was getting more and more into the mire financially because of of not accepting the punishment. So it's something that's followed his career really. I think every went for quite a few years. Afterwards any press coinc- went in it was raised. There was a point. I remember when i first joined the tour and ninety eight. There was a story broke where he challenged john. Mcenroe to a match because mcenery saw was was repeatedly saying that the tough one hundred plays weren't that good and he could beat them then he was in his early champions tour is and he was pretty confident in his own ability. We're still playing really good. Tennis throwing a cetera. Then turned fifty thousand dollars cycle. You make money. This creates a lot of hype But mcenroe never took him up on it and and so it didn't happen and anybody who listens this. From britain who listens to bbc radio five live coverage will know that jeff tarango became part of our commentary team from about two thousand four onwards. Actually the person who suggested it because although he has as you could say checkered past because of all of this and it's not the only incident. I mean he. He the player that the umpires pre nick curious would spend their time discussing how to deal with because he was he was always questioning and a loyal like manner and also sometimes very angry manner the decisions being made during his matches. But i knew that he was he was really interesting person to listen to any at a great turn of phrase and i saw it could be a good come inside or a co commentator for someone like me on the radio. Five live loved him and he. He's worked for the station ever since springsteen years now and i think he is is a really excellent coca-cola taste and somebody got to know very well so i'm look i'm kind of biased in as much as i really i get on with him and and i think there is this good in them but my words that was The some know whether we regret regrets those in that incidents and regrets things that he did or said But i think it's a shame that he's only sort of talked about for that when you when you first raise his name because when you actually listened to him. He's a really good compensator. Playing devil's advocate here slightly. Would he have that broadcasting work. Were it not for his notoriety. S- possible possible. Not that might not. Yeah i mean he. His highest ranking forty two in the world along kind of top hundred career But that definitely put him on the map in the uk and it's it's it's what made me think of him back then really is he's a name and he's an also think you'll be good but mean i'm aware of very whereas the incident. I couldn't tell you a single one of jeff jarring results from his tennis career. I couldn't have told you anything about his tennis career. But i can tell you that. He suggested an umpire with visegrad roped person in the world but i mean obviously escalated far beyond where it should have done but i can understand his initial point. There's a there's a grain of a point in And express it spreads to in a more calm and composed. He had a whole backstory. As to the reason he derived those those words which you know when you ex wife is already slaps slapped the umpire. That back is largely redundant at that stage. Isn't it just feel that the things that you if you read the transcript of what he said at the time. Rehash it all here. But i mean it's it's sort of is there's no proof of it and so you've hence why i think he ended up getting the treatment he goes subsequently. But you're right in this much as in the moment telling the crowd has shot up is not an audible obscenity and that that just he found that impossible to accept his home and telling february panini shows up is not an audible. Obscenity either apparently actively encouraged yes. That's what we do here so that's probably a least fun entry on the list. Although i will definitely be making mental native defrays i have a big beef for future agree with david belt. So that boys number four in at number three. it's over to matt. Yes i am taking us to an incident involving naomi broady and yelena of penco which took place in oakland twenty sixteen. Now a little bit of back story for this is i found an instagram post from us to penco on the thirtieth of december twenty fifteen in which she posted a picture of south practicing at melbourne park before flying to new zealand for oakland and she wrote had a good practice with naomi. Broady too hot weather in melbourne plus thirty five. Some oki's hashtag may hashtag practicing hashtag take may take practicing in hashtag melbourne hashtag. Great take time has to hashtag hot hashtag work hard play hard hashtag australia. So i just hush tag in. She's hashtag preposition. everything hashtag. This was five or six years ago. People didn't know how hashtags work i think. Get engagement no. But i think we can agree that some strange hashtag aside all is well in the world between ostapenko and naomi broady but unfortunately for them fortunately for us and people everywhere that peace and harmony is not back to last but because cut to seven days later the sixth of january twenty sixteen. And they're meeting in the quarterfinals of auckland. The first of the year Brody's having a great week now an annex for her first ever talk twenty win. She's really got some momentum. Going depend co at. This point is relatively unknown. She's she's in the drawers or wildcard ostapenko. Leads the match. Six four to you know kind of cruising before brody starts to make a comeback. And i don't have real data or evidence for this but i feel like a comeback cities is creating conditions which are ripe of agro when when when it gets close and tense. I think you're more likely to be on agro watch and the second set goes to a tiebreaking. An tool is when the drama comes brody hits a forehand winner to secure a mini break and as the boo flies pasta. Paint co. she flings iraq it out of a hand towards the ball boy. And you can't actually see on the video footage but it does appear from the discussions that take place that the record hit the ball boy not not injuring him but certainly struck him. I think off the back fence. Think it rebounded off the back fence and hit the ball boy. Now this stops brody in her tracks and she goes over to the umpire and essentially pleads for the umpire to default ostapenko. This is john of agro that. I'm not sure i'd seen before asking for your opponent to be defaulted now. The umpire asserts that the racket slipped out of hand and it was a total accident and brody says you see on the replay. No way was accidental. She's getting more and more emotional. The w a supervisor comes onto cool. And it's it's it's a real scene. And brody is brody is saying you have to default ostapenko that is that is against the rules. What she just did ostapenko kind of stands at the back of the core and then she gets a code violation and she gets annoyed about that getting a code violation so this this whole scene takes place and brody is in tears at this point. She's she's really upset by this is what she thinks is an ending justice Now doesn't it doesn't stop there the the agro Brody hits an ace on the next point and pumps and stares ostapenko and at this point. The whole crowd is on brody side. There's an incredible atmosphere and that they really seem to be supporting road in this Brody manages to win the tiebreak. And something i'd forgotten is the cutting goes five. One up in the deciding set and brody starts mounting another comeback and she comes back from five one down and wins it seven five. She went six games in a row. Which just sort of add ostapenko does sort of. Well she's just had ostapenko with brody at this point totally and then everyone's on alert for that for the handshake. And it doesn't disappoint of the penco gives brody short shrift and kind of petulantly does a handshake walks editor. Brody takes issue with this says you through your racquet at the bull bobo. Been defaulted celebrates very very enthusiastically in front of ostapenko. They start having words back and forth while packing their bags. And some of the facial expressions and the stills from the end of that match incredible honesty go on go on youtube and watch the loss. I mean just watch the whole but especially the end of the match. I think he's particularly funny the way they are having it out with each other. It's kinda something. I'd i'd never seen before the end of matt ostapenko does get faced. Really good as brody can you. Can you settle it. Forest was it accidental. It's accidental that it hits the bull boy for sure. But i think she chucks racket. I think she. I think she deliberately flings it with kind of disregard for where it's going which according to the rules default if it hits yes i would say it comes under a player dangerously throwing a racket because it could have done a reasonable amount at home So i think brody was probably was probably in the right there. I mean there's kind of two camps. I think some people will say that. It's not brody's position to to say and she shouldn't be trying to get her opponent disqualified but others say she an injustice and she's up for it. I spent in. Football happens all the time. doesn't it plays a plea pleading for row position players to be given red cards second. You know it's just par for the course but it's so un tennis and The drama continued on twitter afterwards. Nemi birdie put out three tweets where the statement saying just to put the record straight. It was not me causing argument after the match. I was told how terrible my behavior was from my opponent. It's hard to know when to stick up for yourself and went to keep your mouth shut. I'm human we live and learn thanks to everyone in the wgn community and on social media. Who support me hashtag onto the next one quality players way. Yes better than she was making a point. I know how it's a hashtag at least nine weighed in. Of course well done name we showed you got the best answer to such behavior. Elaine of as nina. Well done naomi broady. You got it right way. Go kristina mladenovic said. It's not her first time to behave like this. I experimented to wimbley last year. Great fight and win girl. Julia glychko said same hair. Horrible behavior during our match. The us open so disrespectful well done naomi and then again came in said education. Respect manners an attitude you have it or not. And then andy murray said what a great start to the year for naomi. Broady one of the nicest women. You'll totally right. Stick up for yourself today to slightly slightly matic from murray yeah. I forgot about all the post event. Twitter i agree and it's funny because as i said before us penco is. She's on the tour but she's not a hugely known quantity and yet she's already got this reputation. She's she's sixteen or something and she's got done telling us she can't learn you either. Born with is all my dad would disagree with crikey. Yeah i mean it until depend co won. The french open. That was still what maced new helpful. Yeah i think i was coming citing. Bt on that day on another match in brisbane because we used to cover the brisbane tournament and then we had the pictures come in from their show showing that it's an every night said funny. I mean i've spoken tonight emmy bassett Since then on off some toughest trotted one. Drop on air and try to get it to talk about it. And she's she's backed away. And actually i would say. She's being quite defensive of ostapenko and said since then that she's she's a nice play nice person you know and and you know yes it was. It was a flare up. But she wasn't about to go in the boot in afterwards he uncomfortable with the pylon. After loyd yeah. I she's really nice An an a decent person. I think and i think she yeah. She wouldn't want she wouldn't want say that really in hindsight of it all she was very young. Ostapenko seventeen eighteen very young very young. She's not you know still still a bit like that but yeah there's there's been some personal growth certainly there Entrance we're getting to the getting to the business end now. David yes we all in two or at a fundraiser twenty fourteen. We're going back to the finals And the semifinal of it between roach ephedra and stanford rinker. It has been an upset you pulling tournament. Sci-fi every match has pain straight-sets classics. No fun. no interest it lasts. It was this the tournament. Where do you think the worst match ever took place. No no that was that was full additions. Later i'm into the whole week. They would just pull in matches. Farrah came in as an alternate and play. I'm qualified and suddenly played a three center. It was like remember. Thankfully ferrara's hair. We need remember from it and and i listened to we. We'd started the podcast. Listen to our addition of the podcast. Diaster what should have been the final this tournament and we were really any had this match to talk about. Because it's the only thing that you remember the whole addition of at four and just into into final. No that was. Just get onto that. But i mean if just to briefly run you through where we stanford. Rinker is playing just glorious tennis. He's knocking federal off the court. Tv he wins the first set six four. He has three match points. Federal saves them takes the second set seven five. There's a big row between the rinker and the empire cedric maury. Who's intervening a bit too much for four liking and it's close all the way through the third said it really is a cracking match full house inside the o. Two gets to five all in the third. The rinker has another break point chance to lead six five federal saves. it gets back to juice. And then just as he's about to serve again at juice federa- verve rinker looks to his rights and and something. Something's just slightly distracted him and then federal goes into service motion and then for rinca completely pulls away and once allowed the serve to be taking place and he starts talking to somebody. Who's right. she's you see this on the tv screen and maria asks what's going on and now in hindsight i know what's happened. He he staring shaking the racket at the federal plan. Box where russia federer's wife mercury sitting. And he's he's basically said don't shoutout before he's about to serve and she goes crybaby. Stan turns around the pine says. Did you hear what she said. And he's shaking his head of the commentators. Don't really pick up on. It's time to say he needs to be careful not to let outside influences distracted. Because you can't really tell what's going on. I think if you're the commentator in coventry bucks. I remember on radio we we could tell something was going on. We just didn't it was with her. We knew with somebody in the plan. Box of a roger federer Very gets it into a final set. Tiebreak he has a match point a fourth. One doesn't take it. Federal turns it around. Wins it eight six decent enough handshake. And then the following day i remember the build up to the final is shrouded in mystery because plaza because federal hasn't gone to his practice courtyard the crowds filling up and then suddenly roger federal walks out onto the court and tells a full house that he's not playing and that he's got an injury and i think he's got a back problem and he was probably the west reaction from pro crowd. I've ever heard in a in a situation like this. They weren't happy with a lot of people really really upset. Tournament did a really good job to get a get andy. Murray to come. In specially to play against novak djokovic and exhibition that a doubles mcenroe and cash and henman as well And the lovely thing. Was that federal and stan. Both at the davis cup. Final the following week where. We're going to be teammates now. Listening back to our podcast from twenty four not forgotten this that i was down in the locker room area standing next to sorry terrible namedrop standing next to john mcenroe who is a free. Spn and we will. I i was going to interview somebody. He was going off to his box and we got stopped near the locker room. In a way that we would never normally be stopped to sort of the corridor with blocked off and it but it turned out or at least the belief is that federal and rinker have out in in a room to the side of this corridor about this incident And simon briggs was right on this situation and and he reports the details of the buster between roger federer and stanford rinker. On saturday night became clear. Today as well placed sources tested that the two men found themselves thrashing out the differences in the arena. The arena jim. Information is now come to light about the aftermath as the match when federal the rinco encouraged by senior tennis figures to put the issue to bed once. The two men conducted heated. Ten minute debate in which federal was understood to be the more assertive party. The tension was not fully resolved but they have agreed to concentrate on their shared goal of defeating france in the davis cup final which starts inland friday following day. Another piece from simon briggs says while the initial telegraph sports story was based on personal testimony from those near the center of events. The picture become became clear on tuesday with the aid of broadcasting footage. The following conversation was caught by the microphones in the second set. Cedric mario saying. I didn't hear anything stand of rinker sang. That's because i wasn't on their side of the court. She did the same thing. At wimbledon every time on their side she mouths off before the serve its insufferable. So that's that's what was repulsive assignment briggs off the two plaza. Go to the davis cup final bearing in mind. Roger federer's yet to win the davis cup. So it's a huge deal you've got twenty seven thousand people in lille and they hold their team press conference with the rinker and federal sitting side-by-side a full press gallery asking questions of them and the exchange went that is we had a conversation after the match. And everything's totally relaxed about where old enough. I just wanted to see if there was any hard feelings because it was just a lot of noise and and like i said there's no hard feelings whatsoever and we're having a good time here. We are friends not enemies but obviously it was. Maybe one of those moments heated moment situations but i think Did a very nice job of making a really big but I don't think From this point forward the as much about it anymore. I just thought lied to us. Stand as well because the umpire. On saturday night cedric. Marie has given into an interview today. Stan way he says that you said it was just wife. That was talking to join the match. He could see you a clearly annoyed by it is not the case. I'm not sure is allowed to talk about That's that's spun. But has roger said. I think i think that We had no problem together. We talk about that straight after the match not only about about many things and We know how to deal when whenever we you know. Small thing like that and it's become big deal because of the press because of you but for us it's it's it's nothing really it's it's it took us five minutes to talk about that and to think about the next next main goal that we have. It's the davis cup this weekend. So that was russell fuller asking the questions for bbc. Radio five live and i. It was not on the clip there but a deer recall russell. Asking another follow up question to roger federer about it at which point veteran had enough and and i can't remember exactly what he said to him but he basically stead instead of we had enough now or something like russell style. Yeah it was it was. I think russell had started his previous question with last question and then he tried to get another one in and federal said swarm. Was your last question. That was a very good job. Russell for for the line of inquiry. Because it's not easy. I'll tell you when these staring you down right now especially someone lot better. My favorite part of the store whole story is simon reporting that a atp officials were encouraging them to hash it out in the gym. Like sort of handed over boxing gloves off. Should them into a ring right. Yeah people started selling tickets a really good idea I mean the thing is they did join forces. They davis cup. we're fantastic. They won the davis cup and they've always seemed really good teammates but i mean i think it it tells me two things. One one is roger. Federer's wife macaroni. I mean she's such a fierce supporter of his end. She may she used to run his career as a manager as well before before they needed a bit more help on the manager management side. Ten twelve fifteen years ago. Whatever it was and she's yeah she's she's going to say what she thinks. And which stan he's not afraid to fall out with people in a match doesn't matter who it is people. I think he would call his friends. In the red mist of a match of saint him would songa and also people that you really aren't quite expecting him to to fall within. It'll happen but they. They did appear to be able to put that behind them. But it was wonderfully all could woody fall out with federal though. I mean he's got the sort of outside agent in mirka hair as a as someone to do now with. I wonder whether if it was just federa the been involved in the acura whether whether it would have been different wasn't wasn't the when they played at the australian open recently am federal. Went off along of coot injury-time out for his back. Twenty seventeen wasn't it wasn't quite angry. But i felt like stunned. Made it clear that he wasn't loving. Yeah i think stan could fall with anybody. Federal included if he thinks somebody's been out of order any fees particularly round up enough just in the match which is great. We need that. Don't retire anytime soon. But the other thing is i tend to think we'd stand. You can have it out like that. And then he can put it behind him anybody easy. He's a kind of a up about it as grown up about the childishness of ankara card. i also love him being able to use the word in in in the heat of the moment say insufferable in advocate. English thing is i mean is english is good but not very much translates shoe right not by simon excellent reporting simon on that incident. I love it when a really petty thing is reported like. It's very very serious. It's great. I was hoping that this year with no fans we'd get a bit more heckling from the player. I thought that might be a side benefit. The been disappointed coaches having to keep a lid on their emotions. I might struggle with that and we might get a bit of to and fro between players and opposing player boxes. We've had this mr cannon sitting comfortably close to who he's punk. Oh yes that was weird. That was worth it. Having no sound on it. Just never mind social distancing even even in normal times. It's weird which brings us finally to number one and a certain monsieur de new medvedev. I couldn't distill into one incident so there's sort of a little a little prelude denault memphis i've moment and then there is there's the big one And you probably know what's coming but we'll deal with the prelude. I am look. I'm very aware that there are other medvedev incidence predating. This warn that. Don't sit within all parameters for this angry list because they're not funny and they are unpleasant and whilst i think d- deserves credit for kind of taking responsibility for those and being ashamed of them mid knitting. He's ashamed to them and saying he's trying to grow as a person We're not ignoring the fact that to no of has a bit of a checkpost. We're just in the spirit of this series focusing on the more smile inducing moments of his his agro tastic career todate So few little your little appetizer. I take you to miami twenty nine and a first round match on a pretty small outside court. The coverage of this match was is just a couple of cameras really. I think sort of really in the know tennis people were watching it but it wasn't one of the main ones being covered by tv or anything. It's a first meeting between sits a pass and medvedev. And i google this several times because i was sure that there must have been some sort of history between them going into this match. I googled that jimmy craze. I thought will cave. If they've never met on tour they must have some illustrious. Dounia story turns out. They'd never met ingenious. So i don't know whether they just didn't like the cost of one another gibb but it felt tense throughout Method of beat it surpassed two six six four six two And then this happens man. You better shut your fucking okay. Want to look at that event going -mergency thala as and then you say you then letting you don't say sorry you think your kid. Hey look at me look at me. He started donald trump started. But he's got a boost russian. You think this is normal. I him because he's a small keep. He doesn't know how to fight. It don't be he if he doesn't say anything. I'd have no promise but if something to me accuweather we stood. I love the way the empires like him in french. That will calm him down Now i think what. I was trying to explain happen. Is that in his dejection losing the close match and we're all very familiar with dejected surpass. He walks over to his chair and ought maters the word bullshit. Russian which just isolated in itself is spectacular angry because sits surpass is of russian descent So not only sit of. Nfl bake but ironically Nfl bake Doesn't like that in so very much. Which i completely sympathize with. That's not a great thing to say But his response to it is to very much seemed to to actually get into fisticuffs with him and An apologies to david mom here for the language which going to repeat and and other people everywhere that don't like swearing but shot. Your fuck up is being at its along with. I've big beef to buy list of expressions to use in future personal agra. Ride as well. I think for this occasion. My mom will will overlook. Catherine i appreciate. It wasn't loaded sit surpass neck-cords that really got me. He wasn't apologizing for net codes and it really was roiling him up. Yeah i mean look sits purse even at this point on tour and he was pretty need to the tool still at this point. He was developing a bit of a reputation for low level gamesmanship. I remember much. We shop evolve in miami. I think it must have been the following year where he was tapping his racket on the court. Midpoint if any style. That's what murray whiskies in veneto in shanghai making noise when he was about to go and go and hit the ball and chef a membership of implying he does this a lot And that's something that references there isn't it he's like. Oh you think you're such a nice cage. Everybody goes on about what a nice kid. She was kind of like a. I want to set the record straight. Bitten the world now that you just bullshit russian and not snow on. It's it's quite disappointing to me. How the rivalry has developed. They have backed away from the agro. Clearly don't like each other well so yes so a medvedev beats. That was the first of three wins. Medvedevocilla pass that year including in the second round of the usa. And we'll come onto the us open very shortly. I promise. And the head-to-head got to five and in memphis favor before they met the o. Two in twenty nine hundred. Of course tournaments pass went on to win still his biggest tournament victory to date and after that victory sits passive member. Definite was huge for him because it got an his head as as it. Does you know he thinks fees felix emits the greatest of all time. Because he can't figure out a way to beat him these these do get into his head. He said afterwards are chemistry definitely. Isn't the best on tour. It's not that. I hate him but we won't be going to dinner together or respect him for sure. He's grandson fineness. That takes a lotta respect from me to him so he kind of is admitting is not cutting it for me dancing. I don't think sits passerini works like that. I think in the he was just fuming. he didn't win. We'll also medvedev. Does evidently also this point nick. Curious is try to act is a supportive relationship. Counselor the private. Yeah remember that period in the summer when kit curiosity won the singles title in washington and he's played doubles with sit to pass. That was where stephon iq was born. The not very successful stefanik but the very entertaining doubles partnership and then in order to get from washington to to montreal very hastily Seems to arrange a private jet and invites both method of who had just beaten in the washington final and sit surpassed together onto the private private jet and they're all sorts of Instagram posts about very hormone. That look very hormone And yeah so so. Maybe some slight slight repair works were done by. Maybe sat them down or maybe he did the. Atp officials did the two thousand fifteen hundred some gloves and sell tickets. So that's your little medvedev. Appetizer with the side of sit surpass but of course when it comes to dino medvedev there is. There is really anyone winning team and i say moment. It's probably a week's worth of movements and clips that. I sometimes still play to myself when i want to. Channel a certain type of energy said medvedev is is coming into the two thousand eighteen. Usa been on extraordinary run He's been a finalist in montrose. Won the title in cincinnati. He's you know he's he's kinda the man in round three. It's tonight's session match on the louis armstrong stadium court. And he's playing she. No i think it's Grindstone doesn't it. He's playing He's playing feliciano lopez and it's a heck of a match very tight one as well during the first set method of very angrily grabs a towel from a message. And it's it's pretty unpleasant and an aggressive receives a code violation for it. Fine method of didn't like that very much and responds spicy topping. His racket to his bag sign And then i. I'm sure he thinks he's being subtle but of course it's about fifteen cameras on him. This time gives the empire the finger up against his face. He said if gestures pretends that he's just putting his hands to his face innocent of m- thinking about something very deeply expression but actually middle finger is elevated in the direction of the empire which is spectacular. Didn't carry carriers change his twitter picture to that. Well that is amazing. I mean it's it's the not kid at school isn't it is just brilliant and this point the crowd just completely take against him. There's there's just no coming back from this moment. A member of not interested in coming back from that moment. You know you can tell he's fired up by it. He's fired up by the energy. Member goes on to win that much in four incredibly close sets and immediately goes to the center the courts and he's waiting for is begging for econ. Wait for the interviewer to come onto court and give him his. And i have been unable to find out he. This interviewer is blessed. He's been giving a tough gay care but Yeah this is this is what transpired. Well today me. Not the favourite. Your fruits trounce tortoise about your emotions. And how you're feeling well first of all what i can say. Thank you all guys because your energy tonight keep the week. Because if you're not here guys. I would probably lose the nation. Because i was so tired. I was granted yesterday to play. So i want all of you to know when you sleep tonight. I won't because of you one male. You've said this on the speed you'll through to the full rounds putting together a good year off to victory in cincinnati and actually your best grandson today since obviously open. You're doing well out here. Yeah but again. The only thing i can say right now guys i think it will be mouthful. My five next nitrous. The more you do this the more. I will wait for you guys. Thank you you son. Some and him into the crowd for us. I will draw more time but probably probably should've left out signing ba. I reckon the the perfectly reasonable second question of couse conflict you can see into you can keep it light. Keep it like this the questions. The it plan to us how we go back home and then at the end is the ultimate trolley. Says let's hear it one more time like we'll round of boos everyone please. And it's just the ultimate in our definition of i grew is pantomine and play just owning it completely. It's the pitney of owning. It is just so alluring. And yeah he's now when you sleep at night that i won because if he is will will always be one of the greatest tennis courts and it doesn't end there because He then beaks dominik koepfer in the fourth round see qualified for the quarterfinals. And this one was more about the victory celebration than the speech. And it's it's quite well summed up by by this bit of commentary for me. Pin in the moment of victory for them looks toward these the crowd. He gets the reaction that you might have dissipated. I'm not sure why did that. Because the accident hook crown back when he side congratulates count per points back to the court skiing the booze and just as a reminder to deal you. Don't meet the ask for new york city they'll give it to you anyway basking in the booze. That's a good line So he does the dawn's which i love and i feel i have this pit in my stomach concern that i have killed the method of victory dawn's because when he came to the to At the end of two thousand twenty eighteen thousand nine hundred and twenty eight thousand nine did not meant twenty nineteen many came to the two of z qualified for the first time and we now know he was completely running teams and unable to compete on intensity within my very excitedly said. Do the dance. We do the dance for new when you win matches. And he said he could see the sort of desperation in my eyes and his face said oh god he really wants to dance and he's yeah. Yeah okay maybe i'll do the dawn's and then he didn't win a single match. We've never seen the don't again or any celebration ever. Yes another new signature. Yes which is also great. So yeah he yeah. He does the dawn skates the middle of the court. And he just like tim robbins when he escaped from shawshank stands in the middle of the court raises his arms into a wide v and gazes upwards Very clearly inviting the boos from the crowd. And yeah there's no better way to put it then just but he's bathing in the booze. He's marinating them. it's it's so glorious. And then and then he went through his quarter-final with brinker. That's pretty uneventful in terms of booing by this point unfortunately new york crowd sort of trying to take him under their wing. He gives a slightly odd as much interview where he says Well that was a weird match wasn't a everyone. I'm sorry that it was so weird. I my thigh was singing. He obviously knew. My thought was hurting. And it's weird to play an injured opponent. Yeah like a really. Just a weirdly. Lisa to self-aware into you know he's of nine four now beats dimitrov in the semifinals and then of course plays that final against rafael nadal. Where he seems down announced two sets to love down I mean he's been held together by sticky tape For most of the tournament by this point every clip. That i looked at from this tournament. He seemed to have Tape on a different different body part and of course this was this was after cincinnati where he received treatment on his arm for acute lack of bicep. An all time. Great commentary line. And then he fights back seemingly from nowhere and as we'll hear in his Victory speech here which is an aggregate tastic. But it is it. It brings the method of twenty nine thousand nine. Us open angry story full circle. And i think the the loveliness if and quirkiness if this speech kind of makes what went before it even even more wonderfully agree tastic. Here it is first of all. I just want to congratulate rafa nine hundred grand slam. Titles something unbelievable outrageous. I wanna congratulate team and his team you. You guys are doing an amazing job. I mean the way you're playing a big joke. It's very tough to play against you. You know when. I was looking at the screen and they were showing number one number two number nineteen. I was like if i would win. What would they show so again. What you've done for tennis. In general i mean. I think you'll hundred million of kids watching you play one. I play tennis. And it's amazing. Our sport thank you and congrats again. How did you do it. What did you do late in the third set to turn this around and get yourself into a classic match to be honest in my mind. I was already okay. What do i say in the speech. It's going to be soon and twenty minutes. Losing in three sets in the first final. You know trying to give a fight. But not and so i was like okay anyway. I have to fight for every ball. And i have to see how it goes between fara but unfortunately go my way and i wanna talk about you guys. I know i know earlier in the tournament. I said something kind of in the bed way. I'm saying it in a good way. It's because of your energy guys. I was here in the final. I'm in tonight is going to be always In my mind. Because i played in the biggest In tennis world and in the cert- set where as i say i was already thinking. Which speech should i give you. Guys were pushing to to prolong this match. Because you wanna see more than because of you guys i. I was fighting like hell. Congratulations i think you're going to have a nice long relationship with the crowd in new york. Yeah as i said this electric. I you were buni for reason. I never said that it was not you guys see that. I can also change because i'm a human being. I can make mistakes and again. Thank you very much from the bottom of my heart. And now all we're left with the memories and the metronomic winning of titles. Who knows who knows. Maybe it'll happen again one day but it'll never happen quite like that with it because you can never be the i. Do you know what it reminded me of listening to that was Rocky for when. Rocky balboa goes to russia to fight drago and the crowd booed and when he comes in and he wins the fight and at the end he goes. If i can change the you can shave. Insurance is so great. Isn't it an speech way. He's way he's saying. I caught going to come back and developed my relationship with the crowds that suddenly feel so. Poignant sure does yeah. That's what we need. I isn't it crowds back. I think if if there's a running theme of lots of these agro it's that it's often crowd provoked crowd enhanced as well yeah. We can't rely on players boxes to create we need. We need the general public. Yeah so they bring back crowns. Bring back ankara. Bring back. tennis is coming. it's common and We can actually. How many shows we don't know tennis coming off specialty david even since the the finals say this is divine. A lot of token action. Next podcast. we're going to be talking about actual tennis mostly preview material. But we live into press conferences remotely. Of course will yeah. We'll have actual tennis to talk about. Look forward t- That my god. It's been a pleasure to be the angry. I really feel every every time. I see that clip of memphis basking in the booze. And saying i want because we are just. I feel like you get a shot in the arm if something i can't i can't yeah. Con adequately describe it. But it's it's great. And i hope i hope we see again to kneel in some in some form even if it sort of evolved and i definitely hope that again feel like you already has evolved with his. No celebration of this cool. It's really cool. yeah. I don't think in the end anyway. Thank you for the memories and good luck with the metronomic. Winning of titus see we'll be back on thursday with on next podcast talking about tennis jewel. Ace still have lovely roxy as our pet weekly mascot because Well the in the title weekly moscow ceo rox. You'll be back on thursday. I promised knees of presenter mascots denied the top of the show. So i think it's time for to reveal and again more information will be in the newsletter and on social media but david if scored yourself feline called roadwork buzzing of ever been a rogue owners have rogue by by association. I am understand that rogue is named often men characters your homework for the week with the year if you like is to watch some x-men films to get to speed is about ten of them. Isn't it what. I maybe don't have to watch the whole franchise enough say that you meet road. Tell me about catch beer per bit anyway. Welcome rogue david's. Very pleased to have you matt if school yourself gooden yes. I have a name which will be familiar to tennis. listeners scouts so mouse soul is back. Our predictions mascots off year. Two thousand nineteen is is back and I am. I'm told that s- council mouth so loves walking along the river by craven cottage me. Hang on meets. Council mouthful occurred not at the moment. Not a big fan david because the coup scouts amounts of the predictions in the year that you won the predictions. Oh of claim. Say maybe maybe we'll bring the same good luck to matt this year but i hope not because that look belongs to use my mascot for the air and this is the king of gods disney so i mean game over. Yeah and he's from medellin marine. Where you've been yes it's all. It's all perfect to work very perfect. Yeah zeus was usa from moscow for this year and he's decided to upgrade so get on these. Yeah can't can't beat the king of the gods so these are all present mascots for the year. You hearing plenty about them. We also have an executive producer for the year. And he's such a top blake. City's got three names there. Chris albertson lee. Hello chris album for them cured. I know that you've Been in touch with the on email this week. And i asked matt for summary of information about chris albert lee and he said he's told blake. Say yes jude. What more do you need. Top lake chris albuquerque. Say thank you very much for being executive producer for the year and finally folks. It is the return of the shoutouts. We have alex trust sedan. Hello alex we have chris wiley. Who is someone. I recognized from the back end of last year. Not to be confused with chris witty. Oh yes yes possible. Relation of jordan wiley. Kate spelt deadly nineteen eighties western regional manager. Ron wylie how's that spout. David w why l. a. That's the one clinton unusual spelling that could be. We've got a match cruise. Thanks so much feasible lake and finally a nicholson thank you. A lot of nicholson's aunt she could be related to lot of famous people. Are we talking a li a scottish. Lovely name spelling. I l i d like that's cool. Yes yeah we like that. 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"Hi this is marion. Bartoli mats wilander. This is mary carillo. I'm stunned rowing. I'm lleyton hewitt. i'm andy. Murray this is yannick noah. This is carol. Raye look down for the time being and sunny suffolk and you're lucky enough to be listening to the best part cost. There is the one and only tennis. Podcast thank you and hello to carol. Raye who you heard that in our intro intro was recorded in may during what. We're now calling lockdown warn in the uk and his sadly maybe brilliantly for carol comeback into fashion today because the uk as ov- eleven hours and thirty minutes ago has entered lockdown number. Two david how we doing with look down to back with a vengeance. Thanks i recording a podcast with you too so you know. Same old really The yeah it's i think the the tough thing for for for everybody's just the lack of social sports that sunday that it might sphere of friends and family and seifoleslam been undergoing play tennis in the kids to play football etc and the the have have made their case for why they think Tennis should be allowed to carry on socially distance. And i really do understand that line of thinking obviously for the sports themselves but also for the just the activity the physical fitness activity of people. But at the same time. Gotta get this or at least dampen the virus down. So i'm gonna i'm gonna play the roles catherine and just go out and do with daddy with my kids and let others perspective. It's a month sweet. Relief from being thrashed by fourteen year olds true. Well pla- did play one final night of tennis on on tuesday and things didn't go very well. I mean i had one of those days where i was trying to be what i see. On a daily basis on the professional circuit i was trying to thrash rising backhands early on the hawk fully and i hit one out of about sixty eight in the coal in the space of the day. And i also tried one of those interception slam dunk smash volleys when playing doubles and i did an shot. That didn't look good. And i was also used by deliberate. Deliberate rupture serve no normal. Regulation armed rolled over sav high-calibre era. I misjudged bounce and lurched forward and it bounced twice. What's the process of picking partners when you lay these social tennessee evenings david. I have a horrible in my mind of someone being last. What do you mean someone how long he buckled it. Twelve of us and we rotate after half hour spells as doubles pairings and the loses have to move court and then split up showdown. I moved three times out of three. That is a very democratic attitude towards a community tennis playing democracy very much in fashion this we did the do some portions of If the electorate in the united states cnn on for about the sixty eighth consecutive our yes. I do understand what you're talking about. Yeah i'm on about two and a half hours sleep. Because i keep getting every time i consider going to sleep. Cnn me back. In with promises of sort of results from counties in arizona. the. I've never heard of and didn't know would be a feature of my life but is that is the turn that my life has taken this week. So if you are a vote counter in nevada arizona turn podcast off and pull you flip and finger out. I'd like to get some sleep but how you doing well similar to you. I've i've developed an unhealthy addiction to c. n. n. I feel a bit like joey and chandler episode of friends when they discover they have free porn. I've sort of discovered i cnn. It is extraordinarily isn't it. I mean i've never seen a touchscreen on an election night which is usually right for comedy and satire of one operated as elegantly as as by as bhai the cnn. tame king and phil mattingly mattingly. I think he's called just in all of the ability to procast nonstop for what we now. Forty dollars yes. I can see the words. Podcast with on scrolling across david brain fully speak. She gives them risk before we move on to talk about tennis. Well sorts of about tennis. Another listener question show because We had so many come in last week. There's plenty mortgage rooms. Still to answer will be bringing you wrapping up news off the h. Is one thousand event in paris on monday. The sort of a couple of rounds into that event has become t now but matt yes the important business before any of that. I mean frankly before the us election and what we've been dilly dallying around with for six minutes. Happy robert's day have you met ovitz. Thank you very much. Should we explain that i do. I do get some people wishing me a happy birthday on this day. The queen two days today is the two year anniversary of matt's first proper appearance on the podcast debut as a full contributor to the podcast. Because you did. You did make a cameo. Didn't you at the us open earlier that year so we can't call it your debut or even before that it was it. Wow okay there's quite a gap between near ince's So it wasn't quite debut. But i would tell you. Debut as a fully-fledged contributing on a podcast. We would you like to relive that moment. you're going to let's just roll it. No this is perplexed to ninety steam so if you just literally cut off one head and said right at the top seven qualify for the wnba finals in the eighth qualifier. Comes from the zoo field. Be awesome absolutely instantly gives it relevant instantly would make a lot of people gene in. Who wouldn't want ashburn thirty to have played in. Singapore last year will grab matt things of that. What do you think this is my cue saying. He really didn't enjoy big build saying here. I want to know what he thinks i did. Have i had to build up plant. Never hear you're on board with a good idea. I mean what is good is that you know that the player who's one would be informed what has age for with it was the casual way that dealt with Argument completely forgotten about but opponent. Listen really irritated me. 'cause i did have a big big buildup plan for your matt and it's still never been heard because its doubted me. Give me that brings back memories of sort of where we were. And it's quite relevant. We would weren't we sort of locked down in the downstairs. If a pop it was completely empty. It wasn't it was kind of leila very twenty. Twenty vibes We were we. We had the whole basement of apartment was in malabon to john. Balch pot now. Is it going to what was be catherine. But i imagine it simone wonderfully eloquence and fishing words in in tribute to the great matt. Roberts which will never be never be hurt anyway two years ago. Today we've spurred you all the hot takes about karen hutcheon That i listened to listen to them today and we well. Apparently i'd run a pole volt eddie that day which i'd said who's going to win a grand. Some i out. hope it's out of alexander. Zverev stefan sits pass and it was one of that and karen hutcheon off and yeah we were big on off that point because he just bayton jackovitch in the final paris. We're still waiting lightly. Overdo it but i think i'm trying to say i think we i think we said that he would have the most success in the long run. I think we sense was the most likely to win a slam. I oversee none of them has done But but i think we were. We were so taken by hatching of movement And and four hundred and manhandling jackovitch died that yeah we did definitely get acknowledged our own recency bias and we can now knowledge it again and it was only a couple of months after that much. She played against a dull at the us open of coast. Which was which is still very vivid in my mind as i recall. I mean in in mina defensive the huchon of heartaches he has been disappointing familiar of the last two years. He he has yeah. he's disappointed. he has. I'm not sure he's improved as a tennis player over the course of the last two years and i do think there is untapped potential. The we we've gone down the next gen who's gonna have the most success debate route. Shall we start off with a question from michael clary he was. He wins a slam first felix or dennis. So hoosier seem or shapovalov. Now he's not given an or neither option. That is definitely an undercurrent of assumption. The both of them will become grand slam. Champions discuss well. First of all. I'd like to ask you. Do you think they will both win. Grand slam title. He's presenting this thing. David you've done it. Might robert stay twenty. Eighty just wanna know goodness sake or okay. We'll leave that until later. I is that what you asked me. What was these naming discuss. I left it very open. Because i'm a nifty questioner like her. She's on the telly. The reason i we've made my uncomfortable. This nothing he's not only use. And so i'd probably go. Phoenix same is going to win one. I if if they both do at all and i'm not convinced they will stay now Eakins one wheel. Yes yes. I ve very surprised if phoenix or she added seem doesn't end up fig figuring figuring it out so i think he's got the perfect physique for for tennis player of this generation. He's fast he's tall he's powerful. He's got great hand eye coordination. I think he's got some stuff to work out. Tactically approach wise. But they've been enough signs this year just of meaningful improvements albeit not always. What i'm i keep expecting more from him. You'll see a sign something will happen. And i'm expecting to race off now and just start doing it regularly and winning titles and the close he hasn't won any titles so there's a big hump to get over still but i think the potential is there. Shapovalov i think has made some strides but the he he still so erratic times an emotional. He's struggling to get on top of the emotional side of his game now. so yeah he's got some more to do. I think overall not yet. I think it's hard because at the moment we're measuring degrees of how far away. They are from winning a grand slam. Neither is particularly close But i still maintain confidence that at least one of them will but less so because of them more so because of just how the landscape is going to look in three four five years times when there will be more opportunity and someone like them. We'll probably seize that opportunity. I think i think i would slightly give the eggs towards your alias. Seem as well the thing which concerns me shapovalov is. He's he's slightly ahead of your ideas seem in terms of development. He's had more years on the tour. But i think if you compare shop about the plan now to the one we saw three years ago. I'm not sure there's been a huge development. I think he's a better player. But i'm not sure it's three years worth of you can sit surpass two three years ago to now. I think the improvement is very significant. Whereas i think seems still time may be to improve in the when. He's very young and get to a level which he can build on win slams from that as you said we've seen flashes of absolute brilliance for him this year which does give me faith that he can win one day in the future so i would. I would just about give the aches to australia. Seem but i think they've both got issues niche overcome Seem it's well. The serve is a big problem too. I mean too. Many double votes shop of out of has a similar issue. I would say and as david pointed out that kind of a so emotional on the court. I'm not sure he's quite figured out. How best to to harness all of that But yet just just giving the age to felix. I i would say the same. I don't think it's a given the either of them will. I would be very surprised. I think you feel saudi. Arabia seem didn't pot partly because of his potential and partly because frankly the the standards required to win a grand slam on. The men's side is going to get lower that that's sufficed tennis. Cyclical it has been lower In the post at times than it than it is now it may end up at some point in the future being higher than it is now but it it is during the course they korea's probably at the point where age ways you'd expect them to be peaking the standard required to win a slam will lower unload of mental baggage will evaporate because i do think these these young guys shapovalov. Maybe in particular is accumulating mental mental baggage against the top players I do. I do have concerns about chiappa valve and whether he has the same affliction that that greg ode dimitrov has. It saddens me to be using grigor dimitrov as As a as an example of why someone might not ended up winning a slam but here we are Yeah i just i worry. He has so many options at his disposal and doesn't have the chip the federal chip required to sort of sort through these options and make the right decisions sort of instinctively whereas felix seem. I agree he. He's got development and developmental issues at the moment that need resolving but i really do beckham to to make the right career decisions. I remember a couple of years ago when he was eighteen. I think can he. He skipped wimbledon and he. W- i think it would have been his first chance to play wimbledon in in the main door a senior player and he he just went in played week. After week of week of challenger events on clay just to kind of hard himself and built his ranking and. I am so impressed with that decision making in the foundation that not gave him said that sort of thing. We're really makes me feel confident. In felix. Gerald seem in a way. That i don't quite about denis shapovalov at the moment but i i hope to be wrong. I think he's career full dot com. Yeah yeah got fading. Osceola same may have a really good australia Coming off a good full season. I think he's learned things about himself. I think he'll go what i think. He's one of those players. I think you'd goes away and doesn't just go on holiday and think ryan think about tennis when it comes around again which you know sometimes you need to be able to do that and disengaged but i think he would go away and analyze. Look at his own game. Look at others an analyze. Where do i went on. Need to improve Yes light you catherine. I do hope. I'm wrong about denis shapovalov. I still maintain that the most exciting tennis among the so called next is denis shapovalov The love seeing him play well when he plays well and i think the comparison with democrats really interesting and right. I do think it's possible that chiappa valves a bit more explosive than dimitrov. I think he could have a two weeks where everything comes together and he knocks everyone off the call. It's possible As you said in the future when the standard required has has that little bit. I can't see him doing that if he needs to. Go through an adult and djokovic just doesn't think he can sustain that tennis against certainly both of them more difficult to have a five sets. Because i was thinking i think he almost has iga field tech qualities of a blowing people away but i but can you do that against the very best over such a duration I'm going to give you a very similar question now. But on the women's side loaded name is about to be fired. Dot ye settling this comes from danneal ninety-three and the question is sakari. Macabre mertens yastrzemski rebut. Kenner concentrate who wins a slam. I i find that quite an interesting selection of players. Actually because i wouldn't put mertens and concentrate in the same kind of bracket as you trump's kerr rabat. Kenna mc merkava not sure about do sting is very Mertens established plan is reached a semi of a grand slam. But at the same time. She's hit a ceiling. This point and the others have got the potential. So do they do. They have the potential. None of them out to me is a young girl before we know we don't really other than we. Just we just don't know as much about them yet. There isn't to use matt roberts day special. There isn't enough data just now to make fell basis of data. We have david. Which is the question that didn neil ninety-three is asking us. He wins the slam. I i think there is. I definitely isn't as a chance that none of them too. But i think if i was going to pick one of them it would be over because i think she's got a lot to her game. I don't sense scar tissue or something mentally. That's just going to completely disrupt her and stop her from fulfilling her potential which i think would someone like secretary. I think she could end up stopping herself. Because she gets uptight in important moments Wonderful athletes etc. Rebecca is a huge hitter. But i feel that. When i've watched play i mean she's very tall and strong incredible athlete. Find her little one dimensional. So and that may maybe. I'm not seeing the full extent of her abilities. But that starts the sense. I get mertens. I think just has a natural sealing a great pro who's gonna keep producing performances up to her seating but i don't think she beats top players when she gets two quarters and semis concentrate. I think has definitely has room. Still to improve. And she's made major strides last year. I know her coach well and already trust his judgment. Nigel says so. I think. I think if if concert had a good draw she could take advantage of it and she ended up going all the way to a final. I think that stephanie possible. But in just the highest sailing to me i would go from. Yastrzembsky is also prodigious talents in terms of balls striking. But she seems. I don't find her hundred percent not honest committed. Because i'm sure she wants to win but i don't see the focus. Don't see the. She seems to get distracted. And get your own too much. So i think she could go either way matt. Yeah still hot. Going on with your strength i like. I like the way david categorize them there. I see strengths going with back up. Playing style wise a similar ball-strikers little bit one dimensional. I would slightly put conservation a similar bracket to mertens in terms of the ceiling I think they've incredibly consistent solid players. Who if drool breaks they might come through it But i'm not sure i'd ever find myself picking them to win the tournament at the start of the event for example. I didn't see them in that kind of level And yet to me probably muka jumps out with the one with the most game the most variety the most potential but kind of i guess it reflects the states of the tools actually thinking the women's game we could see a situation where the level required to win a slam. It's gonna go up because you've got a sarka andress goo sharpen tech bharti. Who young have already one slams if they can become a core group. I'm not sure they'll be dominating the slams in the way the big three have in in the men's game but i could. I could see them. Forming a reasonably dominant group and it being hard to break through if the trend continues on the tour. I think is likely that one of these six players will win one just kind of the alds. But i'm i am having a hard time picking one but i wouldn't have said kennan this time last i wouldn't have said kennan would be Grand slam champion and two-time find this so it's very very difficult but to me. The the person whose game excites me the most is mugabe Yeah unfortunately i would agree with everything. You've said it of an awful lot to add mason in her game Of those listed a feeling variety is having a moment. Variety is is very much back in fashion. Which is which is absolutely great to see unlike mentality. I think i think i did my pick her to make the the finals this year. Which i'm sure would have happened in a normal year. Let's assume it would have your been big on rube levin. Muka yes broadly by that. Yeah this robot star catherine. Yeah yeah i. I feel like with conservation she. She has brilliant moments and she can like breathtaking world-beating. But i feel like i've seen consummate best and she replicate that but i don't think there's something still to come from that. She hasn't shown us yet. I feel like a message will really breaks for her. It's not going to happen because boy wouldn't have happened. Why wouldn't it have happened already salary. I think i said sakaria. Didn't i apologize that it is salary inbetween. Soccer is perhaps the one that i have question marks over. When i know other people are going big on her. Certainly the us open. I had quite looked people predicting how to potentially win. I'm not convinced if her game. Yeah obviously is an athlete. She's extraordinary in her commitment to this board and her desire is beyond question but actual game and i could be. I mean it it. Just it breaks down doesn't it. It's not a smooth. It's not it doesn't look as technically sound to me. It's not as smooth and look. There are plenty of non perfect technicians. That have one slams but it is. It's more liable to break down when she gets stressed. And yeah. I'm just not quite as convinced is is some of these about zachary but it could be that desire will will kind of plug those technical gaps. We'll have a nice. Is there a player. Outside of these six who we think would win a grand slam before them for the first time. We've all kind of said totally convinced that any of them will is. Is there a plan on the debussy to the moment. Who you'll thinking right. She's going to be the next one to win a first time slamming. I'm not sure there is. I mean kind of looking at the rankings. You would say fit. Selena or placebo. Burton's would be ahead if these players by actually don't really feel like they are even though they've accomplished more on been knocking on the door a little bit more. I think the fact that they've not the case she made with concert the fact they've not come through already actually makes me feel less confident about the chances salamanca bench. Bank shakes end of last season was really gathering some momentum. I thought looking really good. It's she's had a kc season obviously Yang shakes would be one. I would say coca gulf too early. Somover jennifer brady matter. What about over. Maybe fully fit if she gets the joke of the moment. I do think brady if she can carry on improving because she's might such strides strides. That i didn't see and i also think commitment to to improvement is is right there. I think she's another one. I could see doing really well in australia. so many isn't it madison. Keys on this jeopar-. Do you know why i just got the rankings to check. That i wasn't a emitting anyone. I scanned pause madison keys. And i'm a bit sad about that but it is yes but i agree with it. I am by it. Yeah there's a woman who has not made strides in recent years next question folks from cadbury boy. Two thousand he says. What are you excited about in the tennis world for next year. Let's gator optimist. David law this show. We would go david. What is there to look forward to. I think albeit from afar. I think the australian open will fail like a tennis tournament when you watch it like a tennis tournament from the past. I think that they will go. That phrases just stopped me through the heart. David yes i feel like whilst for us. It won't make a difference. 'cause i can't imagine this being there. Imagine many people we know being able to go. They won't have international traveling media bar a few wouldn't thought They won't have. I doubt international fans certainly very many of them. But i think they may well given that. They have squashed the the virus in victoria. Just by the most severe lockdown of basic three months to a point where i think if they can continue keeping it suppressed and make the decision that they will just only have australian fans in the stadium. I guess maybe new zealand fans they may be out of have quite a lot of fans and therefore i think because the country loves that tournament so much. I think it could be an incredible atmosphere. That's that's what. I'm looking forward to just just to help bridge the gap between hopefully when more tournaments stuff in that in tennis because i'm a very small person. They apparently competitive to you. David is as much as what you described that. I am looking forward to that. I'm all say dreading it because we won't be there and we'll be watching this window of normality enjoy from a place where we're unlikely to be experiencing these things and i am already dredging. The foam will fare fail. Electing it'll run pretty cold in my veins. Yeah i've made you'll positive into negative. You'll but i'll take your negative and i'll say a year from then we may well be there. Yeah that's a really long time david. Yeah yeah i know. I know deferred gratification. I'm plus we get to watch it on. Television do this night or every day after the after play. It should be great. Won't be three o'clock in the morning. That'd be testing. Never know when we were quoting shift. Yes yes i think what. You're saying that. Catherine is why i really enjoyed the. Us open this year because it was a it was a grand slam so all of its time and it felt like from here i could relate to what was happening there and maybe they'll be a bit more distant in australia but equally i am. I'm hopeful that like david will be it will be uplifting to some degree. I'm hopefully looking for the event. We didn't have this yet in just hoping that they can happen next year in some capacity. And i'm thinking about the gross season queen's and wimbledon wimbledon's going to happen regardless that the said that they will hold it behind closed doors if they need to do and then i think the the team and country events you know. Hopefully we can have a davis cup finals in the first fed cup finals and the olympics. I prefer so this with a lot of concern and worry about the viability of these events and the development of the virus. Which just don't know. But i am. I'm clinging to some bit of hope that those events which we sadly didn't get this year will will happen next year. Because i miss them i really did. I love those events. Take the olympics to me. I can't handle it the hope that kills. Yeah i just hope we can get to eight tennis events next year in some capacity. I just miss being at sports are hype that we can all sit and watch a tennis much even with the people in the stadium. I mean i hope not. But i really miss it. So that's what i'm looking forward to. I hope we can record a podcast in your flat since uh much early march late february. Yeah just i'd love to be in the same room as martin. David is that too much to ask for. That says a lot relief we probably will. We probably will make it to the year mark if not actually seeing another way. Happy thoughts people right then. Gerald which i think might be gerald the cat all yes it is and mascow which means it's darryl which means it's David david mate darrell. Who took the our appeal for. Procast questions is just an opportunity to troll. David with very much approve of daryl. His question or one of them. We re edited out most of the ones that were just harassing david. His tennis ability his question is is federal in danger of the bronze medal. When it comes to who is the best out of the big three. I would say yes absolutely in dangerous website in terms of. Just what's the numbers say grand slam title wise. And and i mean he's likely to lose the number one weeks record to djokovic isn't in the not too distant future is i think fetters. Over three hundred djokovic. Closing in on that as you say. I think he's very likely to overtake that next year. Ed and the dow's oversee already equalled fetters grand slam total and is likely to overtake that next year so yes i would say if you're basing it purely on on those numbers i think when it's all said done i think federal will be sitting behind djokovic. Kim the doll whether that changes people's perception is a different conversation. I would say. And i think federal just the fact that he came first out of those three that is ingrained in people's minds of him as the greatest or the best. I think that's the such a strong wave of feelings towards federal that. I'm not sure necessarily numbers will replace if you like. But if you're looking at it purely objectively. I think yes in the way jobs put a bronze medal is likely to be hanging around his neck. Nidal by the way two hundred nine weeks at number one according to keep lia And then there are five players ahead of him interesting to look back. I remember when pete sampras was trying to catch even lindell on number one weeks. Lend little just about got ahead of jimmy connors. He had two hundred seventy weeks to connah's to sixty eight Some prone to eight six itch now in second place on two nine three. This says. i'm not sure whether it's completely up today. And then fetters. Three hundred ten. So yes it's basically a few months that jackovitch needs to start number one. I mean he could do that next year to surpass federer. i agree with you in strength of feeling. I don't think anything that happens between. Now and retirement will also the fact that federal retires as the most popular of the three overall in terms of the sheer number of people that would call themselves his fan. I think that's just the way it is and their number reasons for that. I think as you say longevity. He's been doing this for such a long time. He built up a following before. Either the others. We're playing his style of play. I think is just appeals to too many many people but yeah in terms of just simple lining up the statistics jock itch and certain dow grand slam numbers wise. I would expect to be ahead of him. And i think djokovic probably will catch him as well. I think the only really significant record the that federer can go for the other two. Were very unlikely to get. I think both of them is the all time. Titles record currently held by jimmy connors hundred nine titles feathers on one hundred three in adult. Eighty four and jackovitch seventy-seven nick. It's possible that they could chase him down. But i think. I think pretty unlikely and look seven titles to take jimmy. Connors is absolutely not a given. But i think as he needs it given the stages of his career that will be the one that will see him hunt down. Because i think it's could end up being the only record of significance that he has next his name. When all said and done. I do think next year is going to be very interesting. Indeed if tennis ends up being strange full of next year crowd less or certainly compromised in terms of crowds. Federal is going to have some big decisions to make lookie. He's he's interested in in playing tennis without crowds will. What if that sort of becomes his only option. I mean he's not going to sit on the sidelines live next year if he's able to play tennis but but equally want to end his career playing that kind of tennis strategy for tennis if he has one whether he thinks about that i mean obviously we heard from stephanie berga weilbacher as to whether that sort of lap of honour type exit is a good idea or not and he said absolutely not need advised federal against it but so if there is a strategy. I think that that is going to be a bit of a moveable feast over the next year. But i do again. I'm gonna. I'm gonna be optimistic. I think there is a chance that we could see roger federer on a pretty say full but even if it's half full rod laver arena if they bring everybody as far forward in the crowd as they can. I think that that could be an image. We've seen in january. Nothing that could be really cool. Yes but i think the australian swing because of were australia is out with the with. Covid is probably the if i had to commit to. What portion of next season is gonna feel. The most normal probably go for for australia. So then what what does he do. What does he do after that. He would almost be tempted to shut it down until the ground is going to be very interesting. What would i would love to see is if he is hunting down that that one i nine titles record held by jimmy connors. I mean. imagine if we see mentoring a behind closed doors severe this time next year if he thinks well it's all gone to hell my my retirement. My exit strategy is just forget it. I'll just go for that hundred and ten titles severe here. I come to mention roundly damned emerging if you are the tournament director of nursultan who about six weeks out. Just fine guys. It's russia thank. You like what you were describing with pete sampras david's trying to desperately chased that sixth consecutive year doing doing the sorts of things i imagine he. He never thought he d i personally. I don't think he would do that. But he might. I might be wrong. I don't think he's. I think some i really just wanted a specific record. I don't think titles i. I'm not sure whether federal they're the only thing. The caveat to that is. I think veteran didn't think he had a chance of reaching it a few years ago. That was the one. Jimmy connors record seems sold out of reach for everybody over one hundred titles when nobody else was anywhere near that. I think it's probably a surprise to federal read that he's playing crack. He's going to be forty next year. I think it is a bit of a surprise to hit. Even him that he's able to still contemplate winning titles and he's obviously a mass one hundred and three mean that's he is within reach now. So maybe we'll maybe we'll become more important to him declared she gets yeah. I think he would have had in his mind though this year. Being big in terms of him having a chance of catching that record. He's oversee lost a lot of time a whole year with no titles. When you're thirty eight. Thirty nine i felt this time last year that was in reached that record. He's going to have to play to three years. I think probably to get that. He's he doesn't win more than two or three times a year now. Is that likely unless he sets his sights of it lower amount. Yeah i think he will. He kichler cologne one. Next enters new. Pull the week after that. I just don't think that record is important enough to him for him to do that. What if is the only one he can have to. I didn't think was that important to me either. Until when by lost to get that hundred and and then go to indian wells And he lost start to team in the final that. But i suddenly i think as you say david he never thought it was achieved and then sunday on on the horizon. I think he he did want it does want he wants it. Nursultan wants but we'll find out you're basically any chance of getting there if you play till forty which only him connors of done do you think federa has enhanced his legacy by playing on so long and yet being and yet being around the time when djokovic the dull likely to overtake him for example if he'd retired in three or four years ago when he had the lead of slams and then he sat out and watched jock fiction dollar. Ever take him. Is there any difference in how he's perceived how he's viewed i. I personally think this longevity element is enhancing his record and the ability to main keep not quite at the top but basically at the top so late interested parties and play the grandson farmers. These paid in the last few years have in his legacy but we don't categorically view. Now is the greatest of all time whereas a few years ago we date. I'm because he's played on and not been quite as successful or is it just because the dollar yokich looking ever taking it. That's what what is familiar. The numbers tell you where we stand. I mean yes if he'd have stopped before winning those additional slams or if you saying if you've got to twenty and then cold day for example say yeah i mean look that would have been a good number to stop on. I suppose and he could've thought. Oh i'll be right here twenty catch that but now i i just always remember back many many years ago that interview when he said i want to be one of those players like jimmy connors who plays into my late thirties. And i remember thinking russia. I love you cloud cuckoo. Because you're not going to be doing that Because nobody did that. There's only connors had done that. I mean ken rosewall coming back. What but honestly. I just didn't see having seen pete sampras. Stop in his days twenty nine and this was this would have been before trying to think agassi thirty six but he was upset set on that in his own mind that it wasn't about the grand slam title number that he was talking about. He really liked the idea of just being around for as long as he could. And getting very much tacit and it. It just shown a light on but she she just purely loves the competitive sport and lifestyle helena. In sao paulo asks this one came in On email this question she asked can dominic thiem win roland garros before rafael and the don't not retirees highbrow race from from matt roberts i think probably not and that is no slight dominic thiem. I just think roland garros these last two years. If it's taught us anything we're not just two years lost thirteen years. How good in. The dollar is there in those conditions on that surface on that core. And i think if not to have another slump i like he had in twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen. When he didn't win out on garros he might retire this time. So i'm not sure necessarily will be a point where he's struggling like it was then i think if he does go through that that might be the end of his career given his age. I mean the gapped in the doll on clay is so large. I mean we saw it. In the in the final nadal against djokovic we we all gave djokovic ship big chance in that match and he was blown away. And i think no dow can do similar to team. Even even though team is is brilliant. Yeah i think. I think he would be relying on the dull playing through a slump like he did in two thousand and fifteen and sixteen and i'm not convinced that will happen but i guess it's possible i disagree. I think team can do it. I thought it was going to do this year. Now but i do believe the tennis level is is getting closer to no doubt on clay for him And i think it's gonna. He's going to continually get better. I believe because. I think he's got a real appetite for improvements in maximizing dominic thiem and physically. He's the closest one to dow. I think in terms of just brute strength power endurance. He's got all and speed. He's got he's got so much. What else got physically. I think i think maybe the the there are one or two fragilities in the game. That just doesn't have on that surface because of his the makeup of the one hundred style But i also think that there's a chance we kind of assuming that would allow when he stops he will just stop the top and he may deteriorate he may not time his exit strategy from the sport in a way that enables into glass on top so we may see him get old in a french open final one day and the up against team and get a of a reality check of his age and that it's time to stop that that may well be something happens. Isn't that sort of what matt said though you'd be relying on nidal playing through a slump whether that's an agent jesus lumpur tendonitis slump. Promotes conclusion is that that's that that won't happen what do you think i think. Both scenarios are plausible to the extent that. It's probably a fifty fifty really. If i had to commit now probably edge. What matt said. If i had to make a prediction say no. He won't but a. I do think it's both scenarios are so possible and i think anybody that that could say they feel confidently about. It would probably be probably be lying at ending. The dull could even feel confident about it because he doesn't know where his body is going to take him to see. His body surprised him in good and bad ways so many times over the course of his his career. So yeah i think if you're gonna make me commit i'll say no buts. I'm fully prepared to be wrong. He's good enough to of course he's good enough to i think whether he whether he will Is is quite another question Tristen bliss asks what is the best and worst aspect of each slam. Where would we like to start. You don't eat. You don't have to do every slam if if there's one slum were something is springing readily to mind than role alter australia then thought about that The best features the sun. I bet that's but i think that that some that's just obvious i would actually go for. Its ambition and its innovative approach. There is always something new when you go to the australian open. They've thought about something that they want to improve every single time that i've ever been going since two thousand and three most recently they they were streaming qualifying and there were playing practice matches on the show courts between dominic thiem and found the dow things like that. What a great idea that. They've got the vote. They always seem to have been the first to have new courts. This russell up these new courts in no time at all with roofs and an design. And i do love all that. I think it's a such a fresh place every time you go there on the negative side. I think it's becoming increasingly restrictive in terms of how you can cover it. It's it's difficult to get places. Suppose that you might want to cover. And also their own sense of them being a media production agency to the point where they create their own content. And look we all do it. We do it at queens as well. We create our concept. Have a team for that. But i think to some degree it can be at the expense of a neutral media. And i think that that is something. The integrity of media coverage is vital. Really and they've also had a little bit of they've had that surveillance mentality as well with cameras everywhere and whilst can uncover snaps gems and create amazing moments. I also think. I feel like it's borderline to to to being intrusive in Nice me feel a little uncomfortable. I always thought about australia. I the agree with everything. David said The the fact that it's the start of the year i think is section a advantage for australian. Open this such a freshness to everyone at that tournament. The playas the people covering the fans. So many new storylines. i think that's really an advantage. Scott One of the most negative aspects for me is the margaret. Cho's name is still that stadium. I i completely agree with you. That the ahead of the curve in so many aspects and so progressive in so many aspects. Pele i find the staggering ready. That name is stood on that stadium. yeah those were the two that the two things that jumped out to me for those drain open in addition to what. Use it french open for me. The obviously the negatives jumping out. I for me. The negative is the big negative is the size if if that site. I find it suffocating and claustrophobic and at times anxiety inducing. i wouldn't see. I want to enjoy and i expect this will only be amplified after this year. When things were due returned some kind of normality. I want to be able to enjoy the buzz around being surrounded by other tennis fans. I so often can't do that at the friendship. Because i'm anxious about being in that crowd at a very bad experience that last year sort of in a crush around the bull ring court and i know that just. It's a huge city. There just isn't the space to expand in the way they'd like. I'm sure they'd love an extra laid of acres to add to the site and they just can't but it is Significant downside to delight the chips in the media restaurant. I've never been so. I can't judge other than the only thing i can say as a tv watching experience. I absolutely love the acoustics of the main core finish I love the sound. The bowl makes reverberates around the that stadium and the same with the when the player makes a grunt as they hit the ball or if they hit a great shot the sound of the crowd. I think it is one of the great sounds in tennis. I love the clay. Probably my favorite surface to work tennis on less so this year. But it always feels like the culmination of a season where you've got these build events leading up to it. And then everyone gathers for the french open It does have a bit of a challenge being the only non english speaking slam. Maybe that's helped. By the fact that i speak french. But i always appreciate chumps to kind of tennis in a different language for a few weeks. And that's that's something. I enjoy I would agree with you on the worst aspects. I think it's it's lovely the complex. It's just not big enough and it doesn't quite fit the demands of it. I didn't think. But hopefully i mean. I've made some improvements in the last year and i think they were doing more this year so Well for example. The bull in court has gone. Hasn't it to his most space then now so hopefully when we do return that will be. That will be improved. I would say in the positives. This simone mature court is one of my. It was instantly became one of my favorite courts in tennis. And it's probably my favorite new newcourt. It's absolutely beautiful and in terms of society. Expansion dot is brilliantly done because a lawsuit. The french open site isn't aesthetically pleasing very concrete. It's beautiful from the inside. And i like the changes. They've made to shut trae externally. It's not the most aesthetically pleasant site this much. You're called is gorgeous and one last negative and it really is a big one for me that that. Oj clip of the woman. Going all the time. I think i think a company some sort of Perry at advert that flashes up on the screen but it needs to go and it needs to go now. I'm sure the fact that we've just mentioned it arrived. Just mentioned it. And we've given perrier applaud justifies. Its very existence but sponsors. I love perrier water today. I really enjoy semi sexualize woman. Saying i just know. They were tasting aside from anything else. wimbledon i mean the of the best and worst aspects of wimbledon is is the same thing. It's the tradition. It's the tradition is. What makes it special and unique. And what gives it that kind of spine. Tingling failed at the the silence. And the aw and the kind of the reverend being wimbledon. But i do love all of that. I'm completely divided over this. But i also kind of hate it. I don't. I don't like a silence and to call. I love a raucous authorized stadium. I the same tradition. That makes it so. Special is also the tradition. That makes it really not inclusive. Feeling sometimes can feel like an outsider. And you know. I'm i'm a sort of middle class white person so i can't imagine how other demographics of society feel when wondering around wimbledon and the as we were saying last week showed the we're talking about the all white ruled is created this fantastic brand insensitive tradition and i and i completely accept that. It is a huge branding success but i will sitting is really wrong So yeah i kind of a battle with all if that say that would be my my tuppence wimbledon. Yeah and just to pick up on that theme of the same thing being the best and worst aspect about it. I agree with what you said on the tradition. I also think this might be a brit centric point but the fact that so many people care about it. I also find both great and sometimes a difficult because there's just so much attention and focus on it and i i used to be really snobby about that and then i used to think what if you care about when why don't you care about. Will the other brilliant tennis events. That are i understand now that you know i'm guilty of that. In other sports i dip in and out It can occasionally lead to a lot of madina uncomfortable headlines tabloids just stuff that makes me uncomfortable that when and yet at the same time it's so great for us that people seventh dick about it. We just sort of selfish they. We see an upturn in. Put us this news and people caring about tennis and i realize now that that is a good thing that it has So that i always struggle a little bit with that tension. During the wimbledon. Full night i i would just add the the style which they modernize and monetize without peer. Was that it. Yeah they've got a whole suite of sponsors now. Which in the past. When i was a kid i didn't know they. They seem to be quite fiercely empty sponsorship. Okay the had robinson's barley water and slazon jerry and those are the only two things you knew about. But in recent years they've developed a they've they've basically monetize d- everything notable they've got they've got sponsors. You know really good sponsors around the site but you just don't know about it because it's not in your face all the time it's not just slapped on everything with the style of the tournaments having changed. I really really appreciate. That is as a as a viewer. And i also feel that the way. They've modernized the site and made it better and yet still have lost that feeling of it being wimbledon. It's still fails traditional. That still is beautiful in. Its own way and They've they've done an incredible branding job on the place to the point where saying that. It's well branded as like an insult that that it doesn't deserve. Yeah i yeah. I know what you mean and finally folks the us open well. It's just a it's just amazing. You feel like anything goes when you got certain right. Whatever like here. And if i could think of would be would seem. Extreme is not going to extreme heat so this is even toll at the us. I that's right from bodily dressed. At night sessions. I would say the usa open. Yeah the australia has night sessions. But the something more energetic about the new night sessions I think the the proximity of manhattan as well is a is a big plus for it. It's the i've only been once but it was just just an experience. I suppose just being there which yes. I mean melbourne paris london incredible cities as well but just the something about its energy in its atmosphere that then translates to flushing meadows in tennis. Yeah anyone any will missing it It can be difficult place to work at. Sometimes you've got in the press conference room in the audio is not working and stuff fly that they just haven't thought about that and it can be sort of forty five degrees and eighty percent humidity. Yeah and before you know. You've got an air conditioning. Hose between your knees known innuendo and you feet in a bucket of ice and yeah happy. Memories bartlett exterior suddenly hype say. Hey let's let's all envisage a utopian future in which we all in ten months time are headed out to the us open in a A democratic america And yeah there are crowds and it's all fun unlovely. Yeah or yes. One hundred percent great. Will i hope you. Consider that. A a sufficient and appropriate celebration of mike roberts day i think we have matt robert stay shoutouts. Yes we definitely do To rory o. O.'neil alley rory rory. I've got My godson will guide son is could worry so. I love that name. Halley rory alec. Both rory's josh blum halley gerald josh. I haven't got any guide. Children who josh but i like the name nonetheless and chris wiley almost chris see them. Chris was listener mukasi's but anyway chris waddle better. Thanks chris for for back in the podcast chris. I hope you're enjoying your job. More than chris with ease enjoying his this year for anyone. That doesn't christie's chief medical officer advising Advising the government on all things. Covid when i say better. I'm in better because he listened to the podcast chris. Keep doing what you're doing chris. Oh yes both courses. Keep on keeping on Sadat is your second tennis podcast for this week. We're going to be back on monday. Reviewing paris Talking about any other. Bits and bobs if knees we had we have had a couple of people getting in touch the sort of discovered this for the first time recently. Asking about how they can support the podcast. I'm sure having Those shouts also people thinking. How could i get my name. Dissected by catherine mexico and the tennis come We all going to be running annual kickstarter campaign from the start of december with preparing for that. Now there'll be more details to follow. So yeah we're making plans for the year twenty twenty one which. i think. We've all agreed that we are going to feel positive and hopeful about even me even cynical old me So we'll be back on monday. It won't be matt roberts day but Aerobics will be there. So we'll we'll see them.

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Sliding Doors - Part 2

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Sliding Doors - Part 2

"Hi this is marion. Bartoli mats wilander. This is mary carillo. I'm stunned rohingya and lleyton hewitt. I'm andy murray. This is yannick noah. And you're listening to the podcast. Well happy christmas eve. Everyone if you are indeed listening to this on christmas eve which is the day that we're recording it. Happy christmas day if you're listening to then happy hanukkah Happy post-christmas if you're listening to his post christmas This is the one hundred and fiftieth this year of the tennis. Podcast david and matt or head. David we made it. I mean always going to make it if you had anything to do with it but we make it was was wasn't even planned to get this happen. That's his bold faced lie. David plotting it in the middle of the night for the past three months. Most of the but partner one podcast seems to go into another one that was planned becomes too just by doing two parts and isn't it great. Yes and speaking of great. There is a a billie. Jean on my knee office. Now she great she seems to be. She seems to be asleep. Which i'm not sure. Awful lot about her early introduction to the podcast but not says that she's a whitaker she She lives a sneeze does billie jean. She's the tiniest key to little thing i've ever seen. And she's she's settled right into the the podcast vine. Just feel so right that you have a dog. Oh thanks yeah yeah. News has not yet reached rosy I'll let you know how that how that goes when when when it does Yeah brazi there is room in my heart for both the avi and all the other dogs as there is plentiful room in my heart for all the dogs on the planet But yeah billie. Jean is occupying a fair bit of it. She is a delight. I keep checking that. She's alive because she spent so much time came but she's she's the wichita's she spoke out and she's like even eight weeks old during the she's told Yes she likes it you. i'm nervous about. Podcast cables yes. I'm never about cables shoe. Shoelaces are a thing. She's cooled inside my brothers shoe several times she significantly smaller than my brothers. She's and what else does she like. Just bit of achieve bitchy on issue. She likes maths fifty. Six six zero two down did you. Did you used to have to show up at high and mighty. I used to have to get my dad's business partner to bring us back from another country that country the united states of america. That's the one where everything's bigger. Yeah yeah no never chip too high and mighty ice to kids or regular yeah. I didn't really feel either almighty. But i did have a big free i am. I don't think they exist anymore or else you might be emphasised freebies but anyway so. This is one hundred fiftieth podcast this year. And the first to be recorded with the with billie jean in the room. Billie jean era has begun. Billie jean era has begun and it is a cost part two of sliding doors tennessee's which we began on monday rave reviews from david whitaker again. David laura yup richard. Oh all of it all of it. No pressure that he's He's well into it. What would you like to go first david. Will it be one. That will please. My dad's the character chair involved. I think it's one year dance specifically requested which just happened to already have in the works but it but it does coincide beautifully Because we are going back to two thousand and one and j to see timmons quest to try to win wimbledon and to try to be the first british man to reach the wimbledon final since nineteen thirty eight hundred already had two filed attempts a- getting through to the final. When he'd been in the. Semis up against pete sampras. Both years in one thousand nine hundred eighty thousand nine hundred ninety nine. He'd wanna set in both of them. Basically sampras was his nemesis he just could not beat the guy when it message on the stages i mean not. Many people could back in those days But in this particular year. Pete san pursue being taken out by roger federer a very very young roger ephedra. The the dole had opened for. Tim henman who went and beat roger federer in four sets to reach the semi finals And he was up against a man in goran ivanisevic who had never lost to. He was four zero ahead in their head to head and he'd beaten him on grass at queen's as well everything was perfectly set up for for tim henman the british player to finally get to the final of wimbledon. And if he made it he would face pat rafter. He'd beaten on grass. Before at wimbledon three years previously Rafter bayton agassi in the other semifinal. Bill clinton was in the rule. Box to watch this To watch this match which began on a friday and even which won the first set seven five incredibly close. Second set henman etched in the on the tie-break in the second set so won't settle an even as a bitch absolutely collapsed there afterwards. He lost the third set. Six love henman was dominant and he was just one set away from the wimbledon final. He was two one off in the full set and then it began to write and it rained and it rained and it rained and the match was held to the next day and on saturday it continued to rain and eventually they managed to get out on court and they managed fifty one minutes of play. Just fifty one minutes just long enough for gore and to level the match by winning the full set on a tie-break and it went into a fifth. It was held over at three two on the sunday. The third day of the match the completed the contest. Now bear in mind him only two sets to one up so we only needed to win one of these two sets and he didn't win goran said gold sent me the right in order to stay in the match semi sliding doors his. What if what if. It hadn't rained because go-round had gone to pieces he he. He admits this today. I think he knows in his heart that had it not reigned. He wouldn't won that match in. Just think of all the ramifications of it. Not raining you would have had tim into the final of wimbledon up against a guy he'd beaten at wimbledon before and it wasn't sam i and it wasn't light in here. It would as nemesis in years to come and who would win. Wimbledon the following year and beat henman in the semifinals in two thousand two. It was his chance he was playing the best tennis of his career. Pretty much. certainly a wimbledon. i think And he he had even if it's just where he wanted him and and it didn't happen for him and i was reading some of the the reports written at the time. This one from stephen body. The guardian particularly stood out an it reads pretty brutally to be honest. If you just listen to this. But i think we also shouldn't shy away from what he's saying he he said hem and held serve for three all and then a double foot by avenue and a solid background henman briefly flatteringly raised hopes of implying. Australia's pat rafter. Today's midday final. In a whole. Which did what he invariably does. An aced his way to safety and henman cracked no other word for it. And it's hard to read that When if this when she wanted six three in the fifth send stephen body riots at henman's eighth defeat in his last nine five set matches a further indication of his. Frailty under extreme pressure. He continues to believe that it is his destiny to win the wimbledon title. Henman said i certainly feel with my game that i'm better than the vast majority of players on grass. My heart. I know. I will win. Wow it is laudable ambition. Although if his professional tennis career is taken out of the grass court context there is little accumulated evidence to suggest that the twenty six year old oxford-born player will ever emulate fred perry three times a woman winner or even bunny austin the last british player to reach the men's singles. Final nine hundred. Thirty eight should henman reached the last eight in the. Us open next month for an australian next year. There would be some grants for hope however the chances are that for all his obvious qualities amplified on grass. He has just blown his best ever chance of winning. The wimbledon title mentally. He is not tough enough and he possesses knows shop of sufficient. Power to trouble. The games true heavyweights will will that take suggests. It's not really a sliding those moment that that the rain wasn't the decisive factor in fact the decisive factor was with tim henman's mental. Frailty discuss a tight the point but i would. I felt the way it was going. He was on a downward trajectory with momentum he was just rolling downhill towards the final with him and at that point six love to one up rain comes now yes hit his own mental fragility got in the way the next day. But i just don't think it would have done the rain. Not intervened and i think gore and feels that to a bit of a blow from goran to suggest that god intervenes to make sure that he would win him. Not use obviously gone by that time had already been in three wimbledon finals himself. We covered that in a tennis relieved series during wimbledon a few months ago and And we spoke to him and pat rafter. But we didn't consider him in that conversation because there were so many competing story lines. You heard the the the sorrow in pat rafter's voices have decent man is is about it all. It still hurts him whenever we speak to him. These days he's he's very good at kind of just letting it go but he also admits that that's the one match. If he could have back he would have that one back because he felt that's the one he should win. And if you bear in mind. Stephen body mentioned the us open australian open to follow. I had to look at what happened in those matches in those tournaments and he lost his africa in the third round of the us. Open six four in the fifth. Set a match in which molise coached by david. Felgate who had been obviously henman's coach all the way through to april two thousand and one and that wimbledon was the first wimbledon that he'd been not coached by fell eighteen teams coached by nobody at that point and fell kate. I remember this was on the bbc. Radio five live team. For that wimbledon he was commentating on henman semi final and as he was asked to some of his feelings upon henman's defeat joked with emotion. I'd never heard anything quite like that before. He really really something really moved me listening to it. At the time The australian open at followed hem and stayed in good form. He he won also without dropping a set late that year and he beat he beat federer. six three six four six two in the final Then he went to adelaide at the start of two thousand and two and then he beat reside ski to reach the fourth-round or that australian open where he was the highest ranked player left in awe. And everybody thought he would win. That's the way the main you lost spielman in straight-sets So i mean just just look at it in terms of the sliding doors moment. Hadn't rained if you've got over the line in that semi and if he had beaten pat rafter as a result. That not the the biggest. If in that sentence if he'd beaten pat rafter all of these the the significance placed upon the the sliding doors of the semifinals is contingent on the assumption that he wins the final sure. It's an assumption if it doesn't rain and if he doesn't she doesn't get there i need bayton and before at the same place she'll just discuss woody of one the final. Well i think he would have at least had a fifty fifty whereas in his other. Chances i don't think the odds were that good I think he'd had been the favourite. Actually let's say you had. Let's just say that. What's the cultural impact of tim. Henman winning wimbledon. Well that's what i was coming on. Say would andy. Murray of being such a big deal. His management agency would not be called seventy seven. Today might have a better logo. Could he have been a big deal. Could andy murray has been a big if they didn't have that tennis might have had a high profile in k. The time that that. Andy is coming through. Certainly i think i've been an an enormous reaction. You would have been interesting to see if anything happens. Materially in terms of participation within the sports. I mean i don't i don't feel that happened enormously. After murray won wimbledon suspect would have been a temporary injunction if had won wimbledon. But i personally think that murray would have had more pressure on him in not in terms of to win it. But i i don't think people would have been as accepting of him because he's followed somebody who's already won it They were already the issues order. The knives out for marine is the early parts of his career. But i think he won people. I've been a decent guy. But maybe because he won because he ended the drought. How tim henman east much up against fellow serve volleys. I'm still hung up on this assumption that he would have won that final. I can't quite get over that. How did his game tend to match up against similar type players. I would say decently. But i mean he wasn't winning the mole And he had an inferior record against sampras edberg one mashed they didn't completely overlap. It was three to rafter against him but it won them at sion and grass. I would call that a fifty fifty to be on. This tablet played steve. By by the sounds of it would've would've given roth to the edge because of the mental situation. You think that's unfair. It's difficult to simon steve body great writer but he was he he. He was brutal he wouldn't he. Wouldn't you know he. He didn't cotton henman in much slack. To be honest in their careers. You may say well. The evidence is there to to to do that. And so you didn't make it overall. I feel him pretty much achieved maxed out his potential and was just a little bit unlucky on that particular occasion with the ryan. I think he would reach. The final had had not rained whether he would have won. The final will well. I have no idea. But i think fifty they did henman play worse after the rain or was it just a case of gore and completely resetting being able to play well again. I hammond played decently Goran just rebooted bear in mind. The first two cents were five seven seven six. that's the level of that was when they were both presence mentally. It's just the and completely flipped out in the third set and been played really. Well so i. I don't i didn't feel henman choked to completely chokes. Think goring made close again. Did bill clinton return post rain. Rule was in it for the short haul. I think that's still thinks it's two sets to one to henman saturday. I think is when he did that. Really long interview with gary richardson in the crowd to try to give everybody something to listen to. The crowd got remember that that was weird. Wasn't it was weird. My roy williams although all found entertaining view like well. That's us not think about what that would be terms. But can you imagine sort of clare balding sitting chat with barack obama during a range. I mean they wouldn't be a rain. Delay oh this is what this is. What we've lost weird chat with former presidents were actually. I could one hundred if there was no roof. Arkadelphia imagine that sure. Yeah why not and. We wouldn't have had people's monday if there was no rain mentioned. Imagine people's monday with henman the scenarist thing because henman's winning that match shouldn't have been on the right. You're right of course but let's say he'd managed to win. It was doors inciting goes on the new york times right that the all england club consulting with the police about how to keep people safe on that monday. If had been there tally. Minute was pretty raucous. Anyone would the headman support the more raucous than the evening support. That was pretty raucous. Well i think it would have been polite still relatively speaking but it would have been one way your old lady. Jackie face paint that flavor of raucous henman in a wimbledon final would have had to have been pretty great. Have been better than what we ended up with. Yeah yeah yeah. Parable certainly But the when he played her house in the nine hundred ninety seven. Middle sunday match odd. Never heard anything like that at the time and i think if you went back and watched that as an atmosphere that would still stand up today. David campaign very hard for that much to be included. In wimbledon relives really wanted some pull hothouse action me lived whorehouse fans left disappointed. Still years of off the i think. That's a wonderful submission ritual well according to go around active. God i mean can they be a greater sliding through experiments say citing doors moment in real time. Like when you were watching that match you thought. Okay everything's just changed. Yes some of these sliding doors reveal themselves over over years. That was one in the moment. I think the fact that it was getting held ova just gave the country chance to just ruminates on every possible eventuality and to share in. This stress is incredible. Cancel the plans to the next day going concluded that it was an unsolved mystery that it rained just due to finish up on this one that quote from from tim henman saying i believe i'll win. It perhaps even stronger than that was. I believe in my heart. I know i know in my home win. That's that is that sounds really unknown. Tim henman to me. That's that's quite a quite. I don't remember that from the time. That's quite something. She sleeps hot. Even when the weather outside is frightful jack. Frost here likes it. Cool introducing the new sleep number three sixty smart bet now temperature-balancing so you can sleep better together but will it keep me asleep yes it intelligently senses your movements and automatically adjust. Keep you both effortlessly comfortable. Will i have more energy for holiday. Shopping does rudolph have read knows. It's the final days. Save up to seven hundred dollars on new sleep number three sixty smart pets. Plus special financing ends thursday to learn more go to sleepnumber dot com special financing subject to credit approval minimum monthly payments required. See store for details. Matt's over to you up next slide. Some doors a. I've gone four. One latino Tro o kind of generally. But i guess the main point in his career i would focus on his. What if he hadn't gone injured after his bake breakout season in two thousand nine. I just think in in all the time. I've been watching tennis. So the last fifteen years or so no player has been more defined by what could have been Tro all the amount of time. They've lost. I think if you add it all up it's five or six seasons. He's missed in total with injuries At any still had this really successful career. He's a us open champion. He's a us open. Runner-up piece a frank. Chopin and wimbledon semifinal. This these davis cup champion. He's an indian wells champ and his silver and bronze medallist at the olympics. And yet he's still a wall if And it might sound bad but some players get injured. And you don't you don't really notice it. You kind of forget about them a little bit. I feel like they'll pot chose a player who's absences always been felt because of what he achieved the back in two thousand nine That for me would always be a year which is synonymous with dope. Pop tro the way he won that. Us open title. Beating the dull and federa in tobacco matches federer at the time was on a forty one match winning streak the us open and it's kind of incredible to think he's never he's never won the us since he was in the middle of that run. Del potrero stopped him and he's never won that title again. He was the only player other than the dull at the time to beat. Federer in a grand slam final and only djokovic has done it since as well so even murray an incredible breakthrough moment And then his injury happens at the start of twenty ten. He withdrew from his second match at the kooyong. Exhibition took that enjoy in the australian open. Lost to chile and then he wasn't seen again for nine months and despite his various comebacks over the years i guess i would contend the. Hey and men's tennis in a way never quite been the same again after. They're portrayed initially got injured because by the time he property returned djokovic developed married kicked on donna federal was still great and that four had been really properly established by then and it always felt to me like papa was therefore playing catch up for the rest of his career and if he'd been able to carry that momentum ford from the two thousand nine season. I genuinely think things would have been a little bit different. At the time the injury happened departure had more slams than murray and at the same number of slams as jackovitch. Marina has three times. As many slams djokovic has seventeen times as many slams now some people might point to patrols record against those players in the years which followed you. Know he's got a losing record against all of the big four. But i just think you can't look at what's followed and think that's part of fulfilling his potential because he was denied the opportunity to develop the pivotal moment He was fundamentally changed. As a player. I would say He never again played with the same abandoned. The same devastating power of both wings. He's back. Ken was compromised after his second wrist. Surgery He didn't have the same fearlessness because he'd had a career threatening injury. I suppose so. I guess we talked earlier in the year about what a player might look like. Who could break tennis. I always thought potrayed almost that guy. He is a huge huge power a massive frame. And yet you still moved well. He had decent touch at the net. He kind of had everything. He was a force of personality. The people got behind. I was watching some highlights that us open final against federal. There's a point in that match. Waste high fiving everyone in the front row people connect with it and people loved potrero and yes he went onto achieve some great things but i just think we were denied a huge career. And someone who. I think certainly would have turned the big four into a big five for me. He is that good. Who if the of the big four would have suffrage the mice to let's say portray would have one. Let's say four. Let's let's say four slams over the course of the last eleven years additional psalms who would have taken them from well. I looked at this. And i thought the portrait manhandled nidal in that year s open semifinal. I think it was six two six two six to the donald's one four. us open. Since then and i would say what might have taken a couple of them. I mean twenty. Ten dollar was fantastic. Twenty thirteen that dole was was fantastic but possibly that twenty seventeen. Us open or the more recent nineteen one their is there. I would say He he had a real record against the doll in that two thousand nine season dope pod tro never quite was able to have that record again. i was always think he's matched up well against federer federal hasn't won as many slams since two thousand nine period so it's difficult to say whether federal would have been hugely effective but departure to me is a guy that causes federal problems that two thousand nine final federal really irritated and he is in his head. I think doctors in federer's head a little bit when they play so maybe would have taken one of him. It was still put denied everybody. The federal dole matchup at the. Us open we will getting far ahead of ourselves. We were ahead of ourselves for the fifth time about them. I are come and tell you on that final delta federal and i remember when federal wins. Two-sets-to-one up it. It felt completely people that he would win the final from nat and alpa try showed a gear that he has the just took it away from federal. That wasn't federal playing badly and blowing it. That was del ripping it from his grasp. Nobody no and i would say that the the memory. I have the puts his the loss of del petro into perspective for me of what he could have achieved now. This may also be my appalling predictive pounds and my utter recency biased. But i remember the start of the two thousand ten season being asked for my four grand slam champions for the year and three of them were dealt with. That is that is so tennis podcasts. That was before. I think he wasn't winning the french. Or or maybe which one. But it got him where. I just looked. At matchup i commentated on thrashing. The doubt admittedly it was an adult fully fit. But it was he he would throw him was starring them around like a rag doll predicted savile lenka with just like when the golden slam beijing. Yeah well three of it was very but the thing is i just going through them and i just kept. Thinking is now still on twitter. Wealth address thousand tweets late. So this is unsolicited david. Navy said hey. Do you think the slabs next year you volunteered. I remember doing it. I remember assume some raised thing is david the bt sliding to his tennis is you can now say well you don't you deny take away those risks and who knows how many slums he could have one year. I still think sliding doors or not. It probably wouldn't have been three. You mean motive was winning the french. Not letting adele have yes generous. Yeah you know yeah well. Federal won that year's australian open the twenty ten australian open and just beating him in a hardcore grand slam final so australian quite easily federal. He murray in the final didn't and like at that point. Posture was more of a threat to federal. The murray. i would say do you know but when you said it. Totals the timeout away from the sport due to his injuries and surgeries total six or seven seasons. I was that she surprised. It wasn't more because it feels to me like since two thousand ten since these injuries started we've only had probably total a couple of seasons if dope portray that that's certainly my exception. Twenty twenty eleven two thousand twelve two thousand thirteen where he was reasonably injury free and then he was out for basically two more years and then twenty sixteen was kind of a half year. Twenty seventeen was a pretty full year. Twenty eighteen until shanghai was was a fairly full. Eso you know you kind of fit in the gaps in. Yeah you get about six or seven. Full seasons missed I i certainly think we're talking about dope tro as a four or five time. Grand slam champion. If injuries didn't get in the way considering all the time he's had considering what he displayed in that two thousand nine season the the big match player. And when you said david the there was a moment where you felt his absence. This may really harsh. One of the ones for me. I remember is the two thousand and fourteen. Us open final challenge versus nishikori. And i remember thinking you remember thinking wow nishikori is going to win. Three slums next. You remember thinking one. But i do remember thinking these. These guys are as good as dope tro at his best And and there were a little gaps of the big three the big four not winning slams offering kaz picked up some chilling just picked up one very very small gaps. But i think they'll portrait could've taken advantage of some of them and also actually beaten the best players to win the slams himself as he did in two thousand nine found tweet excellent seven. Th of december two thousand and nine men australian open dope trout. French open del poultry. Oh god awful. Wimbledon federer. uso opened up zero responses. Take the french from the dow. Apparently end did you by any chance predict the women given that you said man. Yeah i'm ready here for that. I think i think i did. It's just too much stop talking. About wimbledon ninety four g. I really really want to know who you thought was winning leave. It was remembered that tweet david eleven years ago i remember peers. Newbury formerly of the bbc sport website. Not replying to the tweet. But privately quietly question. I would say that down if i were you. And you've left up for lebanese just like a bad smell. I would like t for the second time this year. Take you back to what we have. Officially closed is one of the worst grand slam finals of all time sampras vs even as vich nine hundred ninety four wimbledon on the year. It's been that kind of year and is partly his opportunity to be lazy that i'm taking care. 'cause we've we've we've already done half the woke worst grand slam finals. Podcast right a puppy to to distract me a Say nine thousand nine hundred four wimbledon final sampras against even as if it's two tie-break sets both guy the way of sampras seven six seven six and then even as if it is sold is crushed in the third set. Was this a any lost love. Was this the played by david No this was pre. This was the one pre plate. Yeah i think it was ninety eight in five. This is his second plate. Is it nine thousand eight ways. But twenty when he's when he looks like he's an extra castaway. Yeah so yeah on the face of it will they straight-sets in a slightly weird that you'd think. Oh t t competitive tie-break says that looks enjoyable. It was very very hot to the bull with flying And it was just utterly serve dominated. No though that was kind of the flavor of tennis in the nineteen. Seventy men's tennis tennessee being served dominated. And certainly so fully dominated. Usually you'd get some ronnie's going on the second serve and all the right ups read of this much with the not. Even on the seconds it was mostly mitigate returns or mr turns not there was just nothing going on the front and a ritz. lots of write-ups about it in two separate articles have been antisocial. The match that changed tennis because the powers that be looked at that much said knows gonna watch tennis anymore if this is if this is the showpiece event and we we discussed that didn't weigh in in our pods earlier this year. They they the. The all england club made the decision the following year to change the ball that they easing slightly softball. That was before the one thousand nine hundred ninety. Five wimbledon and none of the schools caused instant. Change the to the face of tennis. But key minuted cumulatively over the course of the ninety s so softball before wimbledon Nine hundred ninety five And then sort of subsequent incremental changes. They changed the composition. And the cost of the gross. Further alterations were made to the slavs injure bowl and no one change received great attention because it was tweaks tweaks here and there and they kept using sasha slash pool. Still do so. It wasn't like we using a new bowl this year. So the thing that the media could hook onto is this seismic change And just an all school hit a a on a website of not been t- before really interesting article about one of the two that i found much. That changed on is laurie. Tennis articles dot net. I didn't my cousin lorrie sandy. Loria knife anyways talking Talking about how they i. it wasn't just wimbledon sort of led the way for the rest of tennis and into corporate courts. Stop being used and started being replaced with with flexi cushion. That was something that i hadn't quite quite got a handle on and yes okay. The late ninety s was still serve dominated. You had you had some pretty winning all remaining wimbledon's apart from ninety six. This is on the men's side that was won. By richard krajicek that is a serve dominated roster but then things do start to incrementally change as they get older it affected sort of who is coming through it affected the next generation and the rule resulted in another if the worst grand slam finals of all time which was hewitt against now banned in in two thousand and two semi sliding doors is they never changed the gross and the bulls and the conditions wimbledon. They left those conditions as they were in one thousand nine hundred four. And how does tennis look now. If that's the case well i. I'm not sure that he would have won that title as the final. Yeah i mean as wonderful return as he was and law barron pass earn so quick he was a wonderful player against seven volleys but to do it against them on a different conditions. I'm just not sure. And i think that whereas my sliding doors was henman missing out. I think he would have had three or four realistic chances to win that title with the previous conditions because even two thousand one to two thousand two. It was noticeably different. That was the biggest visible difference. You could you could detect it. Went from being a quick cold to being like a pudding and An and henman played hewitt in that semifinal. Not to for my word. He didn't send a chance Yeah i mean go. Goran says get back to two thousand and one again magor and says that was my chance to win wimbledon just because of his status in the tennis world. But he said it wouldn't have been possible for a player like him to wimbledon post two thousand and one so really did feel like everything accumulated all of those changes the shifts that it caused in in the in the players coming up in their game stalls that all just reached this perfect storm in two thousand and two and it gave his hewitt versus now bandied. Wasn't this all happening at the same time. That quentin was winning the french open with his different strings. Yes and you've you've therefore got a confluence of changes that is drastically changing the way the sport looks. I wonder whether if you just have one of those changes. Rather than both of them we might not have ended up with a set of two thousand and two situation And of course it's affected it's affected coaches would have been teaching kids and genius style of play the that they they've probably great players that just wouldn't have made it because his style of play wouldn't have been favored. They've made it but they look completely different. You know would would know about jovic into volya. It's that's a very good question. Because i mean that's the wide Tennis and i do feel like some volley all but disappeared around about that time There was some that could still do it. I remember doing an evoke. All of it. Against max mirnyi match four or something wimbledon and the argument was look. These guys still seven volley because breeding. That's all they can do city hall people playing tennis for the job like but but i feel like you know. Just as a as a tactic people stopped considering. It's it's never seen raucous play tennis. Actually there's a chance that they might put me on that. Just for the abusing tangent of toilets men in the world tights on smallest right. Yeah that's a single guy goes. Well listen it average size humans. You've never seen what about what about women's tennis. I mean we mostly talk about surface differences more acutely affecting the dynamics. Men's tennis but how how would how would it affected. Women's tennis had it stayed. So i mean it's it's even rare to see a slew serve-volleyer in in women's tennis least immense tennessee. Have federa doing occasionally. I suppose you've had somebody like wrote vans. Go with her with her variety but she she was. She was absolutely by no means seven. Volleyer in venus and serena williams have been comfortable at that but not serve and volley is nobody in the mold of martina navratilova in an era of plays. No i'm just looking all the list of winners from two thousand two onwards. And it's a lot of serena. There's maria sharapova. These players were able to just hit through the cold and Venus williams the those players that tended to do. I suppose maybe maybe. Emily murray was the closest. But these are not there. Were no players trying to serve volume anymore. That's the the the wider point is that just died out as a way to play the sport. You won't see a planet that you'd recognize volleyer when titles down have one wimbledon's but those old courts if people were so. It'd be one of the things. I would love to see more than anything else. Stigma dow djokovic in the early nineties. And we'll see in the late eighties and find out what would really torn about it. Because one of the things is made these great grades. It is their ability to adapt their game and move on and improve it if he if he had if he were able to wimbledon in these nine hundred ninety four conditions. It would be with the different game. It would be using these powers of adaptation but it would be such adaptation wild closest that i can come to. A comparison is the way that even lendl tried to win wimbledon. He'd won everything. He won. Eight grand slam. Titles won't all the other three. He reached to wimbledon finals and he played seven volley tennis. It wasn't like agassi. Who tried to play his. He just played his normal game from the back of the court and was so good that he was able to do it. Lendl tried to become a seven volume. I wonder what the dow would have tried to do tactically. Because he's a very adept volley air zone. Way isn't i mean it's it looks a little unconventional but my word is successful with it. I just i feel overall he so good that he'd he'd a one something that he would have been competitive There was a period where he was very vulnerable wimbledon and the sort of player that beat him were ones who were willing to come forward. A dustin brown steve dossier sort of most. Obviously i think maybe even curious a little bit But he has got back on track would and since then we did seem to go through a little bit of a slump just for four or five years. What say transformation to make is it. An adult and novak djokovic. Going back to the late eighties early nineties. Trying to play on that gross. Or is it pete sampras coming in now trying to play on this new gross with the new string technology against the dow who's got a better chance of beating the other person. Do you think. Well in two thousand. And two sampras those to george bass still on kootenai not disney. Yeah but i think if you start mid-nineties sam personnel. I actually think he's the best example. Because i think he's he is one who he was able to beat pledged from the back of the court on hardcourts. I would be more interested. If you stuck an out and out seven volya lie rafter. All edberg becker or something like that stuck them. In today's err on these. I mean these things that we can never do and i would love to and the other thing is you don't know who came up to the thought experiment you didn't know he is his biggest sort of rivals for these titles would have been. I mean john is ner could be a wimbledon champion in those conditions. Even call of each candidate. Since i don't think so because they just lack a return they call nine hundred four. You didn't seem to need one. Well they would roll the dice with tiebreaks. But that's really i mean. Goram was a better player than they were. But that's basically what he was able to do is just i mean he. He beat Well michael stich remember beating edberg in the semi finals of the nineteen ninety-one wimbledon and he didn't loose serve sedbergh. He just got beaten I think he won the first six four and then he lost three tiebreaks. And that's an. I think the same happens to edberg daylight against gore and growing with bait plas- light that maybe isn't College might have done that. I just don't decline could enough to win those massive points by the way i found a founder of predicted in two thousand nine for the women gays also seventh of december two thousand nine australian open twenty ten was going to be kim clijsters Friendship and was going to be complex. Wimbledon was going to be just in and use open. Was going to be serena williams out of full. I zero out of four right there folks. I actually got two of the names. I mean i think clijsters won the us open rather than the two. I predict to win And then she'd won twenty eleven australian open. But i've got him nola wrong way round So what actually happened was serena williams won the australian. Open twenty ten. Francesca schiavone when the french open. He didn't produce that. David didn't say that coming She bakes in the final Serena won the two thousand ten wimbledon. And then kim clijsters one. Us opening in and in both of those two finals. Various arrive was beaten in the finals. so yes my predictive powers in two thousand nine with very similar to what they are eleven years after after that so i said david you should do what cost nobody replied. I d liked them. Nobody did anything. I'm going to sound like david luhia. But we're almost an hour in. We've got some news to bring the and we still have three more sliding doors submissions. How do we feel about a three parter folks. I feel good about phil bennett. Got any christmas plans to speak off. They we might as well keep doing podcasts. Whether i will have equipment to record further podcasts date night because there was a puppy cheering through cheering three. Mike framed wire at a pretty rapid pace. But we'll we'll we'll see how we We must cover this news by say news. Rumor room corner re australian open practice partnerships. It's it's becoming a feature. And i'm i'm here for it. What have we got a guy. These from Moina the french journalists for l'equipe who has come up with these his his sources are pretty good. I think so. Let's let's go with these. he's got. This is quite a sad one. I think golf fan and dimitrov great. A twenty-seven atp finals final relived. Yes the lost quarantine pairing. They're gonna then team up with nishikori round so lemon and karen hatun of and there's a coaching right there. Rosengren tape and i both of those pairings When you consider you talking about two weeks worth of a couple of hours a day and having to get along. I can see them both. Yeah i yeah the to me. There's a t plays in different ways. Should both be doing better. If he's been underachieving agreed like in they can pep talk. One another will bring one another down. Further nerve at djokovic filip krajinovic right boring. Isn't it no grace. Algeria tool relived. Not not a podcast coming to you anytime. Seen unless david wants to hit one sixty before the year is out next month to compose myself to relive felix. Auger aliassime and matteo bertini. Oh that surprises me. Yeah why does that surprise you. I think they might be friends. Friends who felix. he's like a capybara. I wasn't surprised by that at all. Okay they hang out. I think i didn't know they were best. These still thought it was gonna don't wanna team dentist novak. Okay yeah andre. Oldest of i don't this is this is from konta. Andrei ruled rublev and alexander zverev right. Their friends aren't they. Yeah i they go back a bit okay. This next one made me laugh. They might just have continuous rally for a week. Roberto easter goo and deniro medvedev. Yeah i see just the just a rally apprentice sexy genuinely set. A world record can reminds me of when mats wilander and mikhail penfold should plan on a public court once and somebody came along and said. We've we've book this get off and they said what can we just have morality so that a twenty five. That's amazing i would have thought that bautisa it was an sort of high demand that that's the sort of player that i would've thought would be in high demand for practice partner millman. Yeah and he needs on moments got or he doesn't have to australia. Employees have to do it. Yeah if they're in australia anymore. Anymore i have one more slightly random denis shapovalov and krisztian garin right okay. I wasn't expecting that when they they. I'm not sure what why. Why are you seamanship. Avello of not together. I think they qu- i've i've heard. Rumors of a specific fallout if that has happened. Then i'm aware of it but i don't get the impression that quite is buddy of the studies they once were. I've thought that for a while. Yeah yeah and there's there's there's more excavation to be done then and it's it's reported that garin and shapovalov will form a second week. Four with murray and evans l. a. Maureen evans is confirmed. No that still but That's the reporting. This is grains. Do we have any. Women's raymond is just going to say is women's rumors. I haven't i haven't seen him. What could be the source. Who could we. Could we go to you know people catherine. Yeah we in fact on that subject. I have some news on strava. He would like to strava news please. Would you like to know why straw was cooled. Estrada blues So catherine snowden if the wti made enquiries with powers that be in a strong over. And it's the. The official logo of the city of estrada contains three exclamation marks. It was a rebrand of a few years ago here from an article. Entitled astrada has logo strava in caps with three exclamation. Marks is the marketing symbol. The city presents to the public in the czech republic and abroad the herald heralded emblem of the city will be used exception. Aging the image of the logo is formed by the name of the city with ritz commission marks which symbolize the vitality energy and confidence of the city and its inhabitants. This further stuff about the light blue color in the primary variant and the dark blue color accenting the exclamation marks. But i think we can probably leave so they are we. Are we disappointed. I was hoping it was going to be a wpa initiative and that we might get some more events with ridicule essential mission marks. But no i mean it might even have been sort of painted by strove. Yeah say summation marks not available to other cities. The world david the vitality something in something of a stove. 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Roland Garros Day 4 - Sonic Boom, Serena Out and Aggro Galore

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Roland Garros Day 4 - Sonic Boom, Serena Out and Aggro Galore

"Hi. This is Marion Bartoli Mats Wilander. This is Mary Carillo Rowing. I'm letting you it. I'm Andy. Murray. This is Yannick Noah and you're listening to. PODCAST. Will Tuning into the day four French Open tennis podcast wondering how could it get any with today and the answer that you probably not expecting was a sonic boom that is how the? French, open. With a on day four, an actual sonic boom that brought Roland Garros and the rest of Paris. To Very. Eerie foreboding standstill. And making light of it now that we will not sonic boom, but there was a it was a, it was a fighter jet breaking the sound barrier. And it made a sound that was literally. Over the whole of parents. But obviously, there were some very very eerie moments though when the people fearing the worst about what it might have been, but yet an actual sonic game on day five of the French shaven I don't think that's anything we've ever covid in a tennis podcast before no, and it was a various TV companies footage spliced together to show the reactions of various players on pies coaches. On. The various courts running across the moment that the sonic boom took place and everybody just. was jumping out of the skin and understandably. So and thank goodness it was not what we did. It might be at the time. Yes, there were two questions in dummy Kupfer's press conference today both of them about the sonic boom. So when people go back into the archive in time and Have a look at his press conference that will be a very, very interesting one. Yeah that sort of a that is gonNA be a question on a on a quiz that we do in years to come. Isn't it something? What was the year of the famous sonic boom of day four Roland Garros I don't think it affected any matches or play or anything? It was just another quirky we'd have. Typical of this year's Roland. Garros David has had his first wrong hours twenty, twenty bear I think. Is that correct I first beer in in sort of outside of a pub for six months. I was good. Oh Spencer Outside of a pub in six months or no Not A. BIT IN A. In a if I fakty have had his. I've seen. In my own company in a house. You haven't had a bit in a pub six months. Correct I was. Just, amazing. It's just amazing. Visit accompanied by well. It was before my Nando Dave Dave is great British nights out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I did my commentary did a seven hour shift then Orlando's ordered it from the wrong place turned up at the right place turned out. I got one to reorder it in twenty five minutes that I was waiting for the new order to take place I found that there's a public store and win a pint. And downed in about four minutes. So yes, I am a bit trunk. e-e-eh. He's INTERFA- to the group where he looked a little bit wide and there was only about. An inch worth of big on at that stage when when you sent that picture I thought oh well I'll have gin and tonic then and I've just made it sitting next to me here I accidentally dropped a rhubarb and custard sweet. INTO GMT TURNS OUT FOLKS I've invented a really excellent new cocktail because this is. Is Delicious in ways I've never tasted before. So, listeners sending your gin and tonic pitches with the radio. Rubab. and. Catherine will join you Matt outside of the Sonic Boom. Woods I didn't expect to be US during on today's podcast. What we today's witness levels at the French Open. I think this was the best day at the French Open so far and the one where I thought about the witness the least. There was a good combination of really excellent matches and drama, and also an an unfortunate story of a big story line which was Serena Williams withdrawing from the tournament which happened moments after the sonic boom. Eerie how how close those two massive events were to each other and it was very hectic hectic time I. Think Actually Serena Williams's withdrawal was announced while we didn't know what the sonic boom walls. So it was it it was very unsettling period of the day that was probably the weirdest period of the day. But after that I would say it was a it was a fairly normal and eventful an interesting day of Grand Slam tennis. Rumors started to circulate pretty pretty much as soon as play had started about Serena Williams Joel and I'm sure would have been. One of these things have been more people and journalists. Onsite M Maybe proper word would have got out early than than it did was the. Circulating and actually pretty soon after that Serena Williams came to press. And told everybody Yep I am I. Am we from the much due to the Achilles injury that she hits kind of played down after her after I much against Christiaan It was obviously the injury she sustained in the US Open semifinal against Victoria as rancor, and again after that defeat, in New York, she had really played it down and said that wasn't why wasn't why I lost today, but it obviously is still A concern for her from from everything I've heard David. You just discussed it in some some depth. On Five Live today just the nature of Achilles injuries and that part of the body doesn't sound like some the MS with and kitties and it sounds like there were no, they're nice shortcuts to to healing. And it just it needs the proper, the proper time attention and frankly the Australian Open. Even perfect stunt circumstances was always going to be a better chance for her twin winning number twenty four, and she doesn't want to make any decisions now that that might put that into jeopardy and I completely understand that. Well. If I think back to an interview I, did with her Turns out it was seven years ago and you can still get it in the tennis podcast archive in two thousand thirteen when I asked to do you get any aches and pains now you're in your thirties now she's thirty nine back then she still jump out of bed I feel great. She was describing how this Achilles made a failed that she couldn't really walk in a straight line without a limp. Well, you're not going to win the French Open. It's that's the situation you're in and really way she playing the sport if she can't win and I, that is the absolute key here. So I think it is the right decision on a small. Or an immediate level. Regarding the French Open and in long-term level in terms of trying to get right to the future because they want to do is fear Achilles to properly go because that would probably as her age enter career immediately so I. Think you're quite right about the Australian Open I also think now just when you look at the year just gone the fact that she's turned thirty nine realistically. I think next year is. Probably, the last chance. For Equal, this record I, don't see it happening if it doesn't happen next year. Agreed Yeah I mean I think if you all St- me now to place my bets weather. All happen. I would say no but I certainly pretty much under percent agree if it's going to be. It will be next year and probably the Australian and Wimbledon will be the best chances so. Absolutely the the announcement led to some some discussion at tennis podcast towers as to what which happen to prediction. For the day because he had gone for Parang cover to beat. Serena Williams. As not an unprecedented situation I think it had arisen before for David at the Australian Open and it went to pull volt and I don't know identical the outcome was irrelevant. But anyway, it was decided that. It was early enough in the date Matt to this with Great Grace, I must point out it was early enough in the day that much have the chance to opt for a new prediction. And and didn't use that Opportunity Wisely Matt. Yes feeling good about the whole thing. Now, a few hours on I was actually expecting David to come in to bat for me today and given given the when this occurred with David David the points voted for by Paul. I thought I was expecting it is not the out I was expecting. Signed. Off on US expected never to come in for me here and say, all right Matt. This is this is a situation we've had before we have a protocol and you can get the points but there was none of that whatsoever. View seen the standings irrelevant. Not even. Just because anyway. So yes, I, chose a actually I'm going to stay on this topic for a bit. I think we should come up on air with a policy that we then stick by for all future newsletter predictions. If this happened I'm proposing half points. At all, it can be your choice. You can take off points or you can gamble this half points on a new prediction. Okay. I quite like that. Yeah. David. How do you feel about that? For. Zero so because Then, David. You misunderstanding you're actually on significantly less than zero because the the growth points downwards as well is up. That's what I, really really really ready. Love about the growth. Yeah you graph. So it's The amount and by the way I'm Andrew Nissim over. Wow. What a performance from her I've been. Awed Peres. So you choose Peres Beta. Matt and a Nissim over has now lost four games in four sets. She was awesome. Yes. I panicked with Paris a Anisimov over not really thinking that that would have and it very much didn't. Yes and she now plays Simona Halep who she beats and lost US French Open on her run to the semi finals here. So that is. That is a very exciting prospect because I think that that was probably the best match. The ANISIMOV has played in her short career. Outside of there's been a couple of stand out performances against cyber length slams as well. She's just wiped off the court with a wonderful backhand. I think against how that it was the most complete performance and be very, very interesting to see if she can replicate that and it feels feels significant that an over is having some very. Very straightforward, very dominant wins. They were required. A lot of comments thrown around by various people love to she didn't perform particularly well against saccharine the US, open and People. Wondering whether progress was stalling a little bit on the one hand. They probably were fair comments to be making because she hasn't lived up to. What she displayed in the first half of last year but she's also had an incredibly difficult difficult time with the death of her father in the last year and. I think it's just uplifting to see her coming back into into some good form. Yes she faces up now Halloween today in straight-sets over arena Camelia Bego I. didn't see any of that but fred a couple of rice ups and It wasn't a trouncing that it was just a very solid. Complete performances by by HAL, it did you cover it David well I only from Afar Russell follow my colleague in Paris was commentating on and without question the highlight of the match for me was when they decided to get involved in moon-balling rally and there were at least twelve consecutive moon balls from either side of the court just Arkin the ball slowly up into the were hitting twelve lobs at each other. Neither one had any intention of breaking the routine. Until one of the missed it was just great to watch I would WANNA watch one. Very funny. News, let's stat the other day about the six, hundred, forty, three shot rally in nineteen, eighty four that lasted about half an hour in the longest women's singles match of all time as a very interesting New York Times article about that which I linked to in the newsletter quite quite extraordinary. Can we interrupt this recording? So I can read that. And watch the. Absolutely just stunned by for a moment. Today. Was Pretty much the only major name on the women's side of things that didn't encounter some kind of drama I would say either either. By either dramatic results or some kind of. on-court agro and all miscellaneous drama everybody else everybody else was getting stuck in a bit. We had Victoria's losing to Eric Hanley Anna, Caroliina Schmidt, liver, and leasing. Pretty Handily to Anna Schmidt liver and she she sued her what happened. She doesn't really nice. She's she's kind of set to making any excuses in the much of which she said look a she kept using that word ability again. And she said I was trying different things. But none of them were working she said I wish I'd tried more things. She pretty hard on herself after that victory Sir. After the after the defeat pretty. Yeah. I I think she had come in expecting a lot more of herself. Understandably so and she's a she's in a Suda sit surpass type state of not quite being able to explain why why that happened today? Yeah. Because I think in her mind she was adapting to the clay better this year I mean she gave a very honest press conference I don't know whether it was pre this tournament Oh during Rome where she talked about how much she used to dislike clay and the Shitty bounces she said and and the horrible sliding that you have to do. She hadn't really ever properly figured out some decent results on it but it had been by far. A week or surface for her compared to her colts and I think she was expecting as you said, Catherine a bit more of a self. But at the same time she she ran into a player in Schmead liver who was Hitting such a big ball and being so aggressive and and she. Is a very interesting story really because she had this breakthrough in twenty fifteen, I think one a couple of titles, and then in two thousand sixteen I was reading she'll sixteen matches in a row. On the tour you know almost vincent speedier levels of of despair and losing streak that. And going into this slam she was on a thirteen match losing streak in. Slams. And she's now beaten Venus Williams and as our in Quebec Tobacco and I think like her confidence is just so key because there's there's not that much margin for error in her game, and if she's a little bit off, I think game can really go awry but she was she was absolutely nailing nailing winners today and kind of kind of made as rinker look a little bit impotent which not not words we've said for a few weeks. So just a really really impressive performance from her and that was the same section of the draw Serena Williams was in. So the. Four. Players who are now in that section all ranked outside the top one hundred. So there will be someone ranked that low in the quarter-finals. It's a it's a massive opportunity for all of them and we will. We'll picked randomness for oh quarter-finals just over off. Yeah, there was a she had a really major knee surgery I think, Schmead? Liver. And there was A. Moment today where she fell really awkwardly and it looked like her knee. Moved in an unnatural slightly worrying way. And she she could see the look of. Panic stricken. Could see the Likud. Just devastation on her face if you know, please please no not that. And and and it was already echoes of Kazakina in Rome couple of weeks ago because of course, it was anchor over the other side of the court that time as well Massively. Thankfully it was okay and she picked up right where she left off. So. As wearing is out Lena's victim managed to avoid the same fate. Any just she made very hard work today on the Philip Shut Trae cooed Rinat. Zoar of Mexico it was a strange scoreline wasn't a one-sided first set Lena than a six love second-set Bizarre Zoo and then A. Very topsy-turvy. Third Cents. which physically eventually came through but it was by no means plain sailing in there were. There were really big lapses from Sicily in the that are a worry I think big worrying. In the main problem from her side of the net appeared to be a a lack of focus early on in the second set i. saw her put three successive forehands into the net and she's she's a player who really trades off a consistency and movement and and you know you've got a gun beat her and she was not ready plane like that. So that's problem number one. But the other problem was caused by her opponent whose really not a tall woman. She's twenty three years old she's one meter six. One. Point six meters and. That's that's not tall that certified that three. into to me to shoot the me, which is your will. Exactly. Five inches. except. Five two and a half. Yeah not tall, but she was she was drop-shotting. With such potentcy followed up by lobs and. Just Driving Visit Leave a distraction I mean if you weren't especially in a Fam-, you were just looking at this eight laughing and be. A neutral you'd you would share on. Zoo if there was a crowd in that stadium, she would have had them eight and out of hand people the way she was playing. So creatively and you know this is a woman ranked one hundred and seventy eight in the world. It's it's new grand for and I love that when a pledges comes out and just shows you what she's got. This is the moment everybody's watching TV and watching all eyes are on her it's the. Court and she had a moment and she really delivered okay. She didn't get a win in the end, but she certainly showed what she got and while I was watching her I was thinking aren't well in the in the old World Gbi was supposed to be going to Mexico right to play. Fed. Cup. and Oh wow. Thinking that would have been quite an interesting tie to walk players. Go up against a presumably on clay and someone who just a few months ago. I wasn't really aware of but as made some a massive strides and as you said, David has has a fun interesting game so. I'm sure that tie has been rearranged and we'll be played at some steak. So it's all of a sudden looking like a much trickier than it was a few months ago I think. In the post much press conference Alina visiting it was almost the following question date night by hey, it's probably even if I did now probably wouldn't be named checking them because that. Potentially bit crew. She was asked the following the top players around the world always looking at the best ways to achieve success some people like to make changes to their team others like to have a team. They've had them a long time someone who has been with us since a very early age is your pet dog bobick is still with you if so how much lot can he give you over the next two weeks at Roland Garros? Fit. Alina responded. As full as well it's a really good question. Actually. Very sad for me because in two thousand eighteen, I lost him I forgot him in the room. It was very sad. At this point she's tearing up and has to take a pause from parents answer. Sorry I lost him. Yeah. It's like this. It's a toy, but he was my talisman, my lucky charm. So it was it was a cuddly toy fakes. North an actual dog. and. She she left him in A. Hotel Room and twenty eighteen, and that was always the to experience for Lena Selena and Yeah. said, about, not. Really. I'm very surprised by it. I do remember it vaguely that story at the time on what? Yeah well, not that she lost it, but she had it that she had that toy became a talking point. It became something she talking about it you. Know maybe we weren't but she was remember they doing press conferences in whether or something. Does shop of Olive Oil Salvator Wolf because himself all. What I was expected to happen today. Curtains. Well, we will in her efforts to get over the loss of of Babe's she's been doing just fine without bobick will. Lucky. Jim. What should have been doing with? Bobick. She should. Cleaning up. So that was. That was. Alina Fifth Alina. Over on Court Matt. Were Kiki. Burton's and Sarah Irani playing on today. was. It was one of the outside courts it wasn't one of the big three shots were on one of the outside courts. This matchup between Sarah Irani. The former finest to cause the French evening Kiki buttons, the CD she tenth-seed. fifth-seeded crikey. and. It was How how quickly did it become a point of interest at what point did your obsession with this much. A stalled. Well, it started late in the first set because I think it was a time whether it wasn't that much going on. I just went to that matches a match that was exciting steak and very quickly it got very very engrossing because Sarah Ronnie was having. The worst serving troubles I think I've ever seen a professional tennis player have quite honestly. I mean. In terms of numbers, her serving numbers weren't as bad for today for example, coke coughs her ratio of aces the double-faults went bad as golfs but. Sarah. Threw the ball up and the boarded the ball toss between seventy five and one hundred times in this match. Including including when she was serving for the first set, which was roughly when I joined it at. I think she I think seven times in two points. She threw the ball up and caught it and started again and didn't didn't she receive a time. Yeah exactly. So she said what kept happening was she kept getting time violation and losing her serve, and then after all these aborted tosses. Just, very reluctantly resort to an underarm serve you just as a kind of desperate attempt to be able to produce serve cook into the core shouldn't. This isn't new Iran she's had serving problems for quite a while, but I think the extent of the toss issue was probably greater than ever had been and. Yeah I was just completely engrossed by I was just obsessed with every every Irani Service game became this huge mountain to climb. Can she can she hold serve because? Because I mean the rest of a game is is so so good she's she's a fighter she takes back kanner they she pays angles. With the four hands touched Croft and yet she was having to fight. Kind of the most basic thing and tennis throwing the ball up. David and was sending messages out group gang. Well, this is interesting. This is happening on shot Joe this happening on long cheat into this great. Matt said absolutely, Not I cannot take my eyes of Burton's in Iran couldn't I physically couldn? Bring myself trying to tempt him with every all sorts of names? The I knew he liked really liked watching was I think made the match then so interesting. Is that it was kind of like a film where it was slowly revealed who the hero walls and who the villain was because at the start of the match I felt so sorry for Ronnie with the serving troubles and yet as the match went on, you couldn't help but root against Iran because she was being really quite horrible to Kiki buttons who was in the final set having. These full body cramps we now know she was cramping in her leg in her feet and in her hands there was there was a there was a sit down in the third set which she tried to take a drink of water and couldn't hold the bottle. It slips out of hand and fell on the floor she was in she was in so much pain and visible pain you know. It was really distressing to watch I think especially because it was Kiki Burton's who who had similar issues I think in the past and She doesn't hide how she's feeding out there so so so visible and. Irani thought she was faking it straight up thought she was faking it and as much as that provided some interesting agro and an interesting dynamic in the match. I thought it was quite graceless and classless actually too because there was one sh she wanna point around the and then fist pumped and then sort of mocked buttons and pretended to being like she thought buttons was and. It all just escalated and there were There were ten breaks of serve in a row in the final set. On the. Irani self the match three times had a match point couldn't close it out buttons eventually manage to win the match and I mean around just kicked off at the end she she whacked ball out of the complex I should think and packed your bags before you didn't even shake or shake buttons handle do any kind of record whatsoever stormed of the core swore in Italian as she left and Burton's was physically collapsed on the clay for a good twenty or thirty seconds after the match, and then eventually got over to share and then received about ten minutes of treatment post-match and had to leave the court in a wheelchair because she could she was sobbing sobbing through it was. It was incredibly. Incredibly distressing I found but also completely compelling and yet just incredible drama and I just I I wanted both players to be okay. But by the end, you just you couldn't help but I couldn't help just feel sorry for Kiki batons and just a little bit frustrated with how Irani handled it. I thought I thought it was it was lacking in class really, and if every on anyone was wondering, oh, but with the benefit of just A short cool cooling off periods and a moment to reflects our Irani will we'll see the hours of her ways and retract some of that. Behavior in her press conference off towards you will you. You'd be wrong. You'd be very, very wrong yet. She just completely doubled down and she said well, just seen Burton's in the restaurant and she seems absolutely fine and I hate these kind of things and. I swallow the time it's not a big deal and. She was she was asked wasn't she wh-whether you what you think she was faking and she goes well, you saw you still running around and hitting these great shots. I mean I mean it was so obviously cramped and because she wasn't getting any treatment allow treatment for cramp well, that's take a medical timeout. For period you can have treatment during the allotted change vents and that's what Burton's was receiving and when you still that twin cramps that it's worse, you kind of need that movement to. To cure it and. Jerry in the points and it's been was was hurting, but she was okay, I was I was really struck have been really struck ebeling few days particularly drew my commentary matches where I'm oversee paying very close attention talking through the sit downs and everything how many players are not sitting down at the sit downs or if they are they literally just sitting down having a quick swig of their drink and then getting up and going to the back of the court they are I think they're really conscious of the risk of cramp in these conditions and the risk of getting cold because it can happen really quickly and one sits. Once it's got its tentacles into you I think it's quite. You can sort of try and fend it off the. Once it's there, it's very difficult and. The reason he can't have medical time for crump is is it's it's in the category of loss of condition which understand why it's there but. That is unsatisfactory. In many respects because someplace regardless of their fitness. More prone to cramp Keith Burton seems. That doesn't seem to be any issue with her condition to me I think she was pretty unfortunate today maybe she didn't take on enough water edit. No. and. I don't think there is. Jones that Kiki buttons was faking today or even anything close to faking just take all at face value and hope that Sarah Ronnie was just so caught up in the moment in the heat of a very dramatic battled. She wasn't quite able to to see the situation for for what it was. But I feel for Cubans that she's had these. Aspersions cost upon her ready. So that was that drama if you recovered from, that might have you still got. Open from that call you'll you're clinging clinging to. reliving. Discontent your is offered. Elsewhere in the women's competition I think the amy lasting onto to mention the euopean save a racket smash. Which I think. In a crowded genre. Might, be the the the pentacle. I feel like we can call off the competition early frankly. Out On best racket smashed the tournament. I was very impressed with his as opponent. The other day wasn't I but I mean this volatility of this, not only the repeated rackets smashes. But then when she then she did it and afternoon about five them, she kind kinda held up the racket to have a look at it. And then another one right and in. That send in the head of the triangle, the the head of the wreck into a triangle, and then she just tossed it. In the direction of her her chair and it was sort of doing somersaults as it got there and it slammed into a chair. Ours just epic it was epic. Didn't do any good thing she lost to Nadia put draw Ska. I just maybe the final notable women's result coca. Gulf. Losing out late tonight on the Simone. Mature. Court. To Trevisan what is Trivia sends first name Trevisani Trivia. Trevisan. Trevi son. Pig actually. Oh well, it's TREVISA. Is the the city in it. I don't know. Martina. Big, results. I mean Oh this is she celebrating songs. And she's into the third round. It's wonderful ready for. Was a bit of Acura in that I mean they were really going at a lot of. They were making between them during an after points neck, their support teams get involved and arguments about line calls. The wider points of coke in Nineteen double-faults. Excruciating the something about double-faults that are different to every other unforced era because they are wholly enforced because you literally not anybody to derail you at all and that's the whole thing with the aborted Baltazar problematic in that way. But when we talk about this I often find myself feeling uncomfortable watching his service games because. I'm sort of holding my breath whether he gets it in or not, and for coca off to be doing that at sixteen. Is just not something that I expected to be talking about at all no and. And I think the most worrying thing that seems to be on a worsening trajectory rather than. Improving. Trajectory I think I mean, let's not panic. She's sixteen. She obviously has time I mean to to sort out as it stands at the moment she's going to a whacking great long off season ahead of her and she's she. Clever and seems to make such good decisions about her career I I trusted to do so but it does need nipping in the bud. It does it needs addressing now because it is getting worse and there are plenty of examples. If plays where You know once once taken root deeply in your psyche these those Yip's they'll very very hard to to get rid of. So I I hope she does and is able to. In the men's side. We had straight-sets victories for rough on the doll, dominic team and Stanford Rancor. All three of them looked superb today who does anyone want to tell me if the three looked the most superb I mean the Dow lost very few games. Didn't he? He was also playing somebody I think who is perfect for in a bit light jock of it yesterday in Macau in this was Mackenzie McDonald quite a similar plan away those two in the way that they play good baseline games but no real teeth to them and the Dow looked better than did on day one I thought. His his shots were going through the courts more. He just looked more comfortable not not no great surprise. Their team had Jack Sock to play in the first two sets were comfortable third-set. He actually had to save two points and and I think he would be pretty relieved team to have got out of there in three sets not because I think he was under threat of losing the match because if he's going to go all the way here, he's got to conserve some energy somewhere and his drawer is really tough. I actually think the one I'm impressed me the most was the. RINCA, and that's even though he lost set against Dominic Cup for that guy has had good recent results, but the rink has level again. Just. Made me think on the surface in these conditions, he looks really really dangerous him against team in the fourth round if that happens. Wow I mean that is a clash of titans and the way he responded to leasing set loose just a will that's not happening again. You can put away any hopes you've got if that being more than A. FLASH IN THE PAN BUDDY? He's got such confidence scoring for him seemingly out of nowhere buffering I mean he loves to Mazzetti in the first round of Roman I watched the first that match and he couldn't find the call of Rinca he was. He was really really bad and suddenly got to Roland Garros and he looks incredible and he's talking with confidence. He's he's really talking up his game talking up his chances thinking that he's feeling physically strong to go deep in this tournament Yeah. He was the one that really stood out for me the most kind of expected team in Nepal to be excellent and they were I think team is teams had something interesting that he he has really decided to copy Novak Djokovic in tiebreaks he said I've studied your conviction rights and he never makes any errors and he said I've I've really Sort of take that approach myself and it's and it's true. I was looking back on his record in tiebreaks this year and it's it's really really strong in the big matches in the slams and it was a tie-break today and that third against Jack sock and. You know that's that is smart I think from team and. He's he's becoming a player who I really trust in big moments and tight moments to get through them and knuckled down and not make errors and it was interesting that he is. He's he's consciously. Made. An adjustment in his game does so interesting that he said that because I was watching that. Thirds that against against Drexel today and I I got to the end of the action. I thought he probably would have lost that sen even maybe even a year ago an still would made through the mansion would've been talked about is still a contender for the title but that is a shift that that definitely is a shift in Dominic team the he doesn't lease these unnecessary sets he somebody that. Finds the GAYS WHEN HE NEEDS THEM To just navigate his way through these early rounds and get to where he's supposed to have maximum energy in the tank for. For for when he needs it and he he knows that matches lurking he absolutely knows that. Russia I think. More than any think that that's probably why I regard him as. More or less in the bracket with the big three. Now, in terms of being a contender full the major titles. We were watching commentating on Alexander's verbs matched tonight, which was five sets against Yuga. Baron he squeaked out a victory fairplay to him. He won another five set match he's loads of them but I was Thinking after his. Two cents to one up. If this was dominant team right now, he would become an all three as well. It become an and trying to head off for the next set. There'd be no relaxation there'd be no way back in for the opponent. The idea would be to crush every bowl and go four one up in the next ten minutes and it's over and still let's people back in your right cathrine dominant team used to play so many events and he used to have so many long matches and waste so much energy early on and have unnecessary defeats but it's kind of he's kind of just learned how to do it over the years and maybe it's also advice from Nicolas Massu the disappear to be an. An intensity about him all the time now. Rather. Than just select moments and. He seems to have the physicality to pull that off. I think he's He's I love that about him the intensity. It's slightly scares me but I mean I'm so impressed with it. But Dominic team. He's don't. You think the way it goes after the ball lucky wants to just. Kill it. Yeah. This contrast isn't it between his own COPA in of His tennis is. Fearsome on as a human being he seems. Not Fearsome. Well, he does seem very nice but then I think of when he stood up to being told to move rooms a year ago it's Children Chopin. It gets more Jodi. Every time didn't impact. It was Scotland. But. I but I like the fact I mean, okay it's not been nice. It's not nice being told that sort of stuff when you're just trying to organize the rooms and whatever I kind of like a play to show teeth a little bit not be pushed around Mary clearly finds He destroys the mall and I think that was the one thing that when. I. Was watching that match that slightly missing from Piero Bez game fangs I mean he is. He's a lovely tennis player and he's got such intelligence on a and he can move forward such good volume and he's a solid from the baseline but he's he's missing an ingredient type of trying to put my finger board. It was maybe a bit more power maybe a weapon. Well. Let's Fund. It got lockdown hair with alice bond and top not in psyches playing for Leeds does. Not a good thing around these potent. Sorry Chris Savory. A now you leads fan, but now we're not having it. Footballing General at the moment. But then I thought its fangs isn't it? I mean there was Alexander's verve was I hesitate to. Say that. On the court will no I mean I hesitate to say was there for the taking free because we've seen? This. So many times before I, mean has anyone ever made less of more when they're in a winning position. As you said, David I mean when he's in the lead, he doesn't hit the accelerator he gets he has more passive and it's weird because he hasn't got a bad record when he's in in front, he ends up winning gets there in the end but isn't I mean it isn't half unconvincing and you just thinking if. I had some fangs. He would have won that match and I think you could. Also be. You could apply that to the number of the players that were faced in the US Open as well. They're also very familiar. Maybe that was why it was weird. Grand, Sam Day because it was very, very normal Alexander. Zverev match is funny. I was watching that much feeling. I really enjoyed it and I, I was impressed by the the fighting Zverev in daily anyone ever downs how much he wants it and I always enjoy watching in somebody somebody that just isn't prepared to filter how much a they wanted But I was pretty underwhelmed by the level of tennis. Yes. Pir Berries lovely watched. But there is something frustrating about that lack of killer instinct and with those this lack of bite in in. So much of his tennis. So many of his groundstrokes just lacking conviction He he can. He can hit them with conviction and every now, and then you'll have this moment anything, right? Yeah. We'll. The will realize on verve please stand up but I do end up feeding a underwhelmed quite the time but then I I I was switching between the US bought and the IT. Coverage of the match because they take breaks at different times sometimes say when one gates who outbreak all they'll switch over to the other one And they had jim courier and for be Santoro in commentary on TV and Jim Courier was with saying he went back through his record since the tools resumption. And including the US Open overseeing everything going going back to his lost Randy Murray the west open and he said he hasn't played a great match. Since since the tool resumed, he's played he's a couple of good matches. He's played much is where the he's one has been impressive, and again you know his fight all of that but he hasn't played tennis ways a great match and he he very much looked at the positives at that he said he's winning and having great results without playing his best tennis and he said, is it tennis player? That's what you're striving for any any anyone? Can we most people can win playing? That best it's? Can You win? Not playing best even as verbs case playing pretty off from that best in. Maybe I come down on the slightly more. Pessimistic end of the verve perspective spectrum but I did find that. An interesting interesting thing. And I would agree with it. I would say he's played to outstanding sets which were the first two sets the US Open final where he was he was genuine genuinely excellent sets and playing the way that I think he should be playing but that does come a point where if he constantly plays like this. Is this just how he plays I'm kind of having to readjust my mind. I've always thought various had the potential to be a really great player. Because he's got a massive serve and he's got. An incredible back. Can you know but Americans called upside? There's a there's a lot that can go right with his game. But I'm starting to think maybe he's a good player who will. Who will occasionally have really great results and kind of like get into the US. Open. Final I I don't know whether he. He's actually a bit limited as a player and this is more or less baseline level and yet he's such a great competitor and as you said, got great attitude of really wanting and fighting and. Figuring out the ups and downs of five-set tennis and sort of makes his way through. But maybe this is his level and if we keep expecting more from him, we're going to be constantly disappointed I. Don't know it's I'm still working out and he's still young. So I'm sure that the answer will develop over the years but. I think the service, the servers problem in the rest of the game as well serve. Basically destabilizes the rest of money does a do like the fact that he is honest about it in the in the interview on call he said I'm not playing very well. And he's quite he does give it great Uncle Interview Disney. He gives he's far better on court interview either news in the press room. He's just blunt in front of everybody and self deprecating and it's quite it's quite funny. The other thing I just wanted to comment on with regards to obey who's WHO's a beautiful place he's he's an artist out there the way he constructs rallies imagination and I. Give him a singles court, and he certainly has this room to show all the stuff he can do. But I would he must be the worst polka Platt in France because he went into that stirred set tiebreak and he's leading four one, and suddenly this look on his face looked absolutely petrified. He looked haunted by what was going to happen because he lost one point and he just collapsed. Just totally destroyed in that third set tiebreak, and then at the start the fourth set. Clean slate he's behind suddenly stopped worrying about things and he just started Klein gloriously again until he head again and then it all went wrong. Again I'd just they. The mentality of the psychology of playing in front talk behind. We'll never see defense nate me. It's just one of the great. Studies that are still to be done I think by somebody's always the serial winner in doubles he's got to he's got a career slam. In doubles. But when he's got someone alongside who can probably just. Craig just help him get over that line and Confide. He's a great confided. Grow. Much together just. needed. Moving on. Well if still together a how goods, what will I was gonna say how good was Jaeger Schwartzman say deja awesome was brilliant today. Not only is there the great needs that he's playing bridge in Tennessee? Brazil's a scored himself a sponsorship by Disney. Is All. Coming. Up. Schwartzman. Free Disney plus yeah I mean who's saying no said that. Yeah he's GonNa. He's going to Disney plus patch. On his shirt's. Is is no one else So. Lovely. But Weird. Now, we'll wait it out today I'm immune to it. I did find it A. Bit Surprised Very he was very, very good today was knee. Ebay Ebay that chapter one, eight, hundred, six fans of him. Yes sir. Yes. He. He maybe went into the match with a start, but he it was the sort of just. Dominant total dominant performance that proper. Proper top I was going to say contenders tight I. Don't think he's a contender for the title, but the of performance that contenders for the title Padilla. Did say afterwards was that he hasn't made any adjustments from Rome. I mean there's lots of talking about whether they've changed their string tension in that kind of thing. Well, he said it worked for me Rome and it's working for me here. So I'm sticking with it and I think that just Kinda shows total confidence in in himself from where he is at the moment and. He should have that confidence because he's he is as you said, he is beating people handily and having some of the best, well, certainly in in some of the best results of his career. At Tomorrow's Order of clay pay attention David 'cause you'RE GONNA have to pick prediction for one of these and I. was just worship some. Our growth somebody says getting badly for you that I actually want you to get one. That makes weeks to stage. If I'm I'm concerned about David's mental health. Have lost. Four days of everyone wrong I mean today's lost in five sets I. decided to just what they call in an American football, a hail Marys where he just shock on into the end zone and height, one of your own team catches it and. So I went for Paul to Casper. Rude. Hail Marys Komo Mary would have been Mackenzie McDonald to be ref owned the dull. Don't make it would. Rudeness Make It difficult for me. You being sympathetic go back to that anyway. So that of foregoes I've got more wrong Serena? Williams versus Jennifer Brady's final the both out we've only had four days. Case. Say Listen Up. This is what you've good cheese from tomorrow Ostapenko against Bush giver. As we've established pancake deafening winning the titles they but but I should say that grace our opponent in the newsletter predictions has got I picked her and she has gone that. Hands off then David both Dan against severe Kenan. Novak Djokovic versus record as Barankyevish Goldeneye. Public. Cuevas against. Steph no sits pass. That is the shut ratios season Longmen shop evolve against Roberto Cabela's Bina Christina Puska Ver- CONQUEROR Batory mover against go aretha Lloyd Harris Against Metairie. Bertini and. Leeann Rebecca Against Fiona Ferro. Mice from degeorge the day that were pet. Pitcher Kavita against Jay Paolini. Just main great Berta Martine against griddle Dimitrov Albert Martine out. Some Amati Albert Maltese from approved. I saw eighteen and I went for a as we've stopped very unsatisfactory initial situation with the website at least Kuna against sway and at one hundred Davidovich Makina against under a Rube love. On cool teen visually and hatch. KYW Yuban and see barrel Frenchwoman Roberta about Teesta. A good against a cash Tila Attila. On. The budget from Hungary. Yes great. Yes. On. About this one you because you've got some of you got your stat in the newsletter on this plan. What was it again he turned pro in two thousand and six, and he won his first grandson manger or match yesterday. And he? Tired in that time and come back he he retired to coach and said, he found it really boring and. Has Come back and he's now. He was having his best results of his whole career prior to lockdown I think to the final in March last year he's making strides clay and yeah, he's he's one of those good stories about like. Martina Trevisan I listened. To Him David. Laura. Attorneys Thompson. against. Daniel, Collins, because it keen appello against venue booster. Doubles elsewhere no. You can't have a doubles prediction David teague Mikhail's Yearon Monteiro. A few others, Christian Garin you like him. Don't you dijon live against Kevin Anderson. Multi Against Could Ima Tova Sling Stevens is on court twelve tomorrow. Crikey. That's brutal. against. Powell sir. David. Daytime one look at the newsletter to to plan for a sign up. Links in the show notes and you'll get, you'll get find out which one I'M GONNA get wrong for a fifth time. We're GONNA finish again on our continuing debate about what? What it is. Trying to put a finger on what it is it's making this Grand Slam particularly with because we go input from from. Mary Carillo. On this she she said to us in what set Greece. Brother is onto something about the vibe of this event. The USTA didn't try to hide pandemic panic acknowledged it for the scourge. It is and made every accommodation to address it while still holding raw unplugged major event. The French as they often do trying to put a source a pandemic unfortunately for them it's arriving colds. SAUCY pandemic in. Paris with a sonic boom. That same experience experienced having this week. Far At. Thank goodness the Cam our lovely, French Open. Yeah. Well, I sometimes dramatic just think about cab and I get a little smile on my face and then I watched the video and stop crying and then. And then the floodgates are open in some semi video of Pierre Rica Belize Nick Lima you and I'll cry again and it's a mess. But yeah, comes lovely and. Yeah we're hoping for Morecambe related content say but it's a it's a treat to have him. David. GUETTA. Luck with prediction for tomorrow a genuinely food for one time and one time only unless it goes will again tomorrow I mean that Let's do this again tomorrow we'll see them.

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Roland Garros Re-Lived 2009: When Rafa lost and Roger won

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Roland Garros Re-Lived 2009: When Rafa lost and Roger won

"Hi, this is Marion. Bartoli Mats Wilander this is Mary Carillo I'm stunned rowing. I'm letting you it. I'm Andy. This is Yannick Noah and you're listening to the tennis podcast. Welcome back to Roland, Garros relived. We're moving forward once again to two thousand nine this time, Katherine Wichita Robertson Myself David Law all here. Thanks where we in two thousand nine, a lot happened in that tennis year. A lot happened the French Open. What was going on in Katherine with because world? Here. Doing! Concrete Jefferson I recall. Not In two thousand and five is he said in no aborted intro yesterday. That's why I was slightly out of my mind yesterday. but yes, by this time you working with me on the champions tour in Queens, and on all other sorts of things, podcast was still yet to be thought of still three years away by the way forgot to say, we turned eight years old the other day. We completely forgot about it as a podcast, but we did. So happy eighth birthday to us But. Yes, it was. It was an interesting period of time where? On? The Dow had been dominant French Open and then suddenly arrives at two thousand nine where it was. Matt at this point was going on your life. You'll be pleased to learn secondary school all right But. This does feel like A. Where were you? When tennis moment doesn't it the two thousand and nine French Open? I don't have an interesting answer to that question. I was just watching it at home. But. You feel like people will remember where they were in robin settling beaten, the doll and federal finally won the French Open. Caffeine you're having a picnic I believe I didn't watch that much life. I was having a bank called they Monday picnic. With an ex-boyfriend. He's just until just now been completely raised from that memory. Is Your Kim Clijsters Lleyton Hewitt moment. And Yeah as I've as I've told the story a couple times before I think on the port. I restarted my phone. 'cause I check. The schools and I didn't believe it. rebooted your because you didn't believe that nonetheless. Yeah, so you literally found out the final school that way. Yeah? Yeah! I definitely. Watch the final live of gopher better. Recollection of how that played-out out. But Y- I'm not sure. I I'm sure I watched, highlights of the that adult much that evening, but I I the I've ever watched. Yeah, well. We just done this. A I was in the car. I remember driving somewhere. It's it's Queens preparation. We really around about them. In a realized that it was, it would have been a bank holiday. Monday as you say you were at for. Picnic Driving Errand to errands, whatever whatever they were and listening to the commentary of BBC radio. Because it's the one tournament I never cover, but I always listen to it I was I was so kept the coverage that they give and and on that occasion Vassals Alexander was there as part of the team and I remember him commenting on the final set. Of the match and just. It really came through the the radio. Just water moment. This was the sporting world just felt like it. Stop told bulletins. No, no, the sport was being talked about no. The sport was being reported on because this is where it was. This is where it was happening and the sheer scale of this upset, and I still think to this day. It's the biggest tennis upset that I've ever seen I all heard about I think. It has the biggest shock factor of any of any match we've had I would put it personally second to Serena Williams against Roberta, Vinci. But I could be skewed on that one by the fact that I was there. Sollozzo sort of feeling viscerally I think it's. Got Bigger as an upset as years of power. Actually I think it felt massive at the time as an adult has gone on to completely dominate that tournament. Even more so than he was doing time, it actually stands out even mole now. As we look back on it. Yeah, well. He's lost two shoes in his entire life at the French Open in. That's what we're talking about. If we go back in time to Dan founded, our was the world number one. He was playing in his fifth French Open. He won the previous four titles. He'd never lost a match Roland Garros. A year earlier, he beat Roger Federer six, one, six, three six love in the final, and as well as that he was reigning Wimbledon Australian, open and Olympic champion. Robin Soderling. was ranked five in the world. This was the first time he'd ever reach the second week of a Grand Slam, and he had never beaten any member of the big three in seventeen previous attempts. Wow! And he'd lost to Nadal Lavin one. Two weeks before. Yeah, a one in love, not that that distinction matters. He lost specific goals. For the loss of for the game of t he, he won't one game against the Dole in a couple of weeks before I I. Remember that coming into the match the. Probably one of the reasons I went on my drive. I just thought. I mean the last time they played the even one game. Is it worth it? It's not made at the Australian Open this year. Do my washing when. Play John Wong. And there's a a an entirely understandable. Comment the ages badly early on in in the commentary that we were watching if the much today tennis channel coverage when of the settling hold serve in the second game of the match, and it goes to warn old Lee. Shiraz, the commentators sniffly says well, he's already equalled his best ever performance against Nidal. She's one hundred percent. What I would have said well yeah. Crooked. Do you WanNa? Hear what was going on in the World Catherine. Thought! Something was missing Michael. Jackson died Barak Obama became the first black president of the United States of America and the World Health Organization declared swine flu as a global pandemic. Better. Where was the fun frivolous? One list given up on those. I couldn't find right. They're the best bits. Each saying no fun, frivolous things happen in two thousand and nine on my list. I see if I can find one we've got. Now those are all pretty depressing. Actually the the. The plane landed on the Hudson. And became a fill. Remember that. A plane crash is neither for nor frivolous. Turn into a nice filmed the net. Yeah Fail, Sally? DECENT FILM! Saved struck yeah flock of geese. So, no. Nothing, Jolie I'm afraid from two thousand nine. It's all bad news. Joe Suppose. Barack Obama became the first plant prison to the United States. That was good news. Yes, so. Right it feels. Feels depressingly distant memory, doesn't it? Does. So that was the wider world and wrath on the Dow. One is way through the opening rounds of the French Open and gets to the last sixteen as per usual, amny set city one in a row by that point so many one entire title year before without dropping a set at. Forty two. Thirty, two I think because Leaf Shiraz put it to Martina Navratilova saying he's won thirty two sets in a row. That might be the most impressive part of all this, have you? Have you ever done that Martina and sh- and she says I remember probably not and. Can confirm that she definitely did do that. In multiple occasions. So really robin soderling had not got a chance on on the face of things, except just had a great win in the previous round against Avid Ferrer, which was probably a bit of a surprise, and it's I. Write for asset you. Claycourt plant. How about we get Robin Soderling himself to talk through it because Matt gave him call. And asked him how he did it I. Remember coming into the tournament a in great shape. You're not played really well the week before, and I have some memories from that I felt I felt a little bit more secure in my game. I had been winning a couple of mashes without playing my best tennis and I think that was the biggest issue earlier in my career, you know I always had to when I didn't play. My Best Tennis I was really frustrated in day I could throw away a lot of matches because of the, but now I felt a little bit more secure, but but also you know. I looked at the drawing I was favorite in the first couple of matches. of course was tough. I played the Ferrari the third-round than of course. Find The fort so You know it's just. It's just so many good matches and. That, that particular tournament turned around like career. Luck for the next coming few years. You mentioned the foam. You're in going into the tournament however. You did play the dial in Rome just before the French Open and lost six one six love. So, what are your memories of that match and when you then play again in Paris just a few weeks later? What's your mindset? While the thing is. How Strange Shit might that match against another in Rome helped me a lot. You know even though even though the scoreline you know while six I remember six, one, six, zero or six, zero six. Something like that you a on the scoreline. He really. He really crushed that day, but I remember it was. it was a tough match was much much tougher than than the score showed I remember special in the first set. It was really tough. You know many. Many game coins, many Deuce, anyone actually a quite a good match, so even though I lost. I lost big I. Felt that it out. It wasn't too far off and I still south. You know I could play a lot better than this. But it kind of also gave me a feeling I know how to play to have a chance to beat them. I know what I have to do on clay. Of course it's. It's not gonNa be, but at least. It helped me a lot to. PUT UP A game plan. To play him in the future monthly. What was it about your game on that day in Paris, two, thousand and nine, the calls dolls problems that he never experienced before Roldan Garros. Do you think? Well First of all. You know by beating for Sir. Ground That was the first time I was around in any Grand Slam before I think earlier in my career. I played really well. In some smaller tournaments beat a lot of good players, but I could never really go deep in the Grand Slam by beating her in the third round. You know. I showed that okay I can. I can reach the second round. Against I had basically nothing to lose. You know no one. No one in the whole world expected me to win so. I felt that I could. have to play to play really aggressive. I have to take my chances. Go for my shots in. That normally might game I just felt that. Okay. I have to do. It's even better and play even more aggressive. Than I felt that I had nothing to lose. And then of course I got up to a good start, I won the first set I played well, but I felt okay. I can play even better than this like today. Rafael really needs to step up going to beat me. And when the dull level the second set. I think a lot of people. Watching probably felt like he was then. GonNa take control of the match. How how aware were you of how important that third set was? And how did you manage to stop him getting some momentum? While I think. I, think I was actually the better player in the second set as well, but I didn't play well unwilling tiebreaker. Maybe the only part of the match I didn't play well at a major really poorly. Boil tie-break. And of course Dallas tough. You know going up. Going up two sets to love competitive being one set all it's. It's a complete different story, but I just tried to tell myself okay. That was my seth. Dina, one. Bad tie-break, eight one change anything and then I was. A little bit lucky to get an early break in. Straight away in the in the third set. That really helped me to. Forget about the the second set than just look forward. Did you have any sense that the Dow was not quite right physically that day. few, no, I. Never I was actually one of my strange. You know I never really. Cared about touted opponents I was. It was easy for me to just focus on my own game so. And that's that can be really tricky. Sometimes I'd never really had problems with that day in particular. What I was really focused. You know I was I was in the zone. You know even though. There was a full crowd. A lot of people screaming sharing I didn't hear them. You're not with soulful on next point, and also I think to be able to be long place especially in the best of five. You cannot think too far ahead. Do you know it's? It's like running running a marathon? What you have to do, but if you start thinking about what's coming, it's a or what's happening your. What's going to happen in the future? You Know I. Think it's it's really tough. You just have to take one point in time, which is extremely difficult because you play a lot of points in and. Did it feel historic and significant? While you apply in the Matt Shaw once you've manage to win them actual. Did it take some years later to realize just how big of an achievement it was. Well. After the match you know of course. I realized it was a great. Big Achievement never lost before, but I think by the time the year has passed. You know I think it's become haven. Mormon. Sh- and I think that's a lot about. Rafal, so you know. He only lost two matches in his whole career enrolling on Garrison, twelve times I mean it's just it's just amazing. I know that Russell was in extremely good clay court, but I could never imagine that. That's how Slam twelve times. It's just. I don't think we're ever going to see again, not the least in our lifetime. When I think of your rivalry against Nadal I think having a little bit of an edge, maybe some tension, I think perhaps you incident Wimbledon a couple of years before the wrong gals to nine match. Is that fair to say and do you think that your relationship with Dr Actually helped you win. Maybe you were respectful of him, but not kind of Reverend Shelter Watson. Well I think that you know. I have I have a lot of respect for for sign all the old, the other top players. You know what they did. What they did for for the sports is just unbelievable lesson. That we need all the other players had a lot of. Hassle Lot to thank them for of course even though it's been tough to play in a in a time, where maybe three best players in the history are playing at the same time outside Ron Yaacob rich, but again they did look so much for attendance but I think it's really important than that, but when you go into the match, you really. Tried to show yourself to yourself. Show your opponent than everyone there that you're actually on the court to win it. And you know I see many times when when really good players are going up against against these three guys you can. You can kind of sensible the of course. They want to win, but they really may be. They're not believed that they can win hundred percents. And Against Players like like this, guy suddenly. play I think. That's really important because you cannot give anything away I think it's so much more difficult to win against them. Don't really believe you can do it, so that's what I. Always try to show my satellite. I I always tried to no matter. Who I played. You know I always tried to to see myself. A winner and show I was there to to win the match. And that's what I was trying to do. And how did it feel to be the guy to do it? Is that was that the kind of attention that you liked? Did your did your media? Commitments really increase after that match oversee. You're still in the tournament. What was the next few days like for you? well, of course, it was, it was tough. It increased a lot not only. The, coming days in that during the tournament, but I think my. My whole career changed after that you know of course managed to steal play really well broke into the top ten, eventually top four to five, so it was, it was a complete different story. The last few years of my career compared to when I was. Ranked twenty twenty five in the world. and it it basically changed really quickly so I was it was a little bit difficult to handle, and also of course during the tournament, but I remember a straight after. Winning the match against Rao saw I told myself that. I'm still in the tournament. This was not the final, even though in. In one way felt that it was the final, but I really didn't WANNA be. That guy beating sought to to play a a poor matching in and yes loose. You know I could lose, but I just wanted to keep on playing well and you know not. Not Go down. Mentally especially and I managed to do that really well, but of course he was. It was really tough all the time I had to keep thinking about next match that I was still in the tournament. which is not easy now for sure seventy players would often lose their next match after beating one of the big three Yeah, it takes love energy to beat them. You know most physically by the special also mentally in You always get the kind of sense after Mash like the statue like your. Relax a little bit. You're like oh I made it. but then it's just a matter of trying to get up there again in just to again than I. Oh, I told myself that. Okay. No matter if I lose in the next round or if I win the tournament. After around out or asked driving the tournament then I can relax knock before. Wow, so interesting to hear what he was going through what he was thinking. How he approaches these things that record described Adia how he'd never won one of his seventeen attempts at beating the big three before and here he was having done it, and that it can tie you ass, and he was determined to carry it on we she did he he won. Two more matches got to the final, but I just find him so interesting to listen to about how he approached here I think it's a great question about the kind of agro in that match Wimbledon that he'd had which was a five-set epic, and he was mimicking the Dow, wasn't he with making fun of his ticks? And it didn't go down well with everybody including the Dallas dancing at the time, but the way he carried himself in the match. We've just seen. He he, he had some attitude. He, he did a fake wedgie pulled. In it was a it was A. MAZING match that that Wimbledon match that they play didn't lost over five days. G To do to rain. Rings a Bell Yeah. was. It wasn't didn't realize it was that Maddie dies, but yes, that's certainly what they said in the commentary. What we've just watched. Perhaps, let's check that his saying it and face is going. That sounds completely implausible Catherine five days. Any more than one day. It was weird and wonderful, and the ACURA continued postmarked in that neither of them back down from that Agrarian Adul-. Basically said he was unhappy with the siblings. Behaviors said that he's unfriendly behind the scenes, says that whenever said whenever he would you greet settling? He would ignore him in the corridors, and an apparently, that's how he was with with most players. It wasn't personal to Nadeau. and settling had these comments going put to him in his post-match press conference and Said why don't want to pretend you know he? He really owned embraced, being being bit spiky in not being. Not Setting out to be like CNA, he made the he made. The comparison made the point about celebrating a net quote, he said. Why did you want me to pretend the? Getting lucky net cord isn't the best thing that's ever happened to me. You know I don't want to be. I don't want to be disingenuous and maybe. I mean the way he talked about. The Room defeat for just one game a couple of weeks before, and how in his mind that was a positive is. Fascinating, but maybe. That was their first meeting at the time since. Wimbledon match I. Think Nidal got out a lot of his rage. And resentment that day I mean news still felt like there was some tension, a Roland Garros, but may be adulthood. worked out just a little bit too much of the fury a couple of weeks before. I was Kinda surprised when I spoke to said that he was quite softly spoken, and I think he I think he struggles to actually put the match into words and the magnitude of that achievement I think he can kind of explain his thought processes, but it's it's difficult for him to really say how much it means. I was kind of expecting him maybe to come out with some. Big, a bradshaw lines on it because that's what is tennis was like he's one of those people who's sort of off-court demeanor. Certainly in retirement doesn't quite match up with what you saw on the court China. Do think he's I. Do think that that attitude he had towards the Dow was a big part of why he won so many people used to go on the core. Basically having lost before it even started against the federal and I think the biggest compliment you can pay, so circling is the I think. The dull fans liked him, and they didn't like him because they knew he was a threat, and they knew he wasn't going to be intimidated by the dull, and it started with smash and it's some. It's a big reason why he wanted I think to use your words. He wasn't reverential and you're right to dial. Fans would not have lie that federal fans don't like it. If play gets in federal face, because so few of them do talking yesterday about how the montages made up about all of the players, saying lovely and amazing which he is, it's just, but it's not the point. If you're trying to beat the guy, I'm not sure that helps loo. We see it now, don't we? We see you know young players come along, even not necessarily young players lower ranked players they they have a practice with Federal Dole, and to some extent Jackovitch as well, but I mean particularly federal actually Mussa than dull, and they'll get a sophie with him afterwards. And I just want to swap them around the head for that. I just think I mean for me. Falls into the same category as as journalists asking for Sophie. He's your colleague. Easier colleague and you shouldn't be get it, but it's it's Oh. You could be drawn to face him next week and his laws. Memory will have been you asking for Sophie. In such a mental game you just can't. E can't give away that ground. So we'll see anything wrong with Adele that day. Because recently Joel for Sanga did a a Chanson. We all tennis and he said that Rafeh will never speak about this, but when he lost a sudden nine, we all knew he was sick. He had a bad throat and did not feel well at all. That's the truth. I mean we. We will not will expose because Nidal. Don't think because ever alluded to having anything wrong with him, did you? Did you think saying back to anything wrong with him? I'm not saying this isn't a worthy talking. Point and dodge the question because I think that could have been something wrong with him, but. How many matches you know, just lure of averages will middle of played and one having been ill or off kilter in some way that we know about because he he won, and there was no reason to question how he was feeling. People have played and won tough matches feeling ill before. We just don't necessarily hear about it. Yeah I mean it doesn't doesn't really matter, does it? I mean I think two thousand nine was when the Dow's parents were going through their separation. I do think there was a little off. Call distraction a little bit about Dr in that time I think the commentators were picking up that he seemed distracted on the court whether that was what was going on in his life, or he was injured. He didn't play Wimbledon that year, he. Didn't defend his title and I think when he returned on the hardcourts, he did have the strapping around his knees, so I can certainly believe there was something up with him because he was. Yeah, it wasn't at his best. He was mistiming with all the shots and he wasn't. He wasn't setting the tempo of the match, so dealing was the one dictating the rallies and in control and logged. Part of that is to do with his game those massive tape Bax. He's got his swings, and he was able to kind of smother adult all of the time, but normally. Nadal is able to overcome. Apply plan like that. He just couldn't on this day, but it does say a lot about how great circling walls, especially in those conditions I mean is difficult. New preps didn't quite realize that I didn't watch the match. Live how how windy it was that day and Adult best wind player in the world. I've the last fifteen years in Robben. think of any other watching him play in the wind. His game looks like one with these these big swings really flat hitting looks like the wooden adopts to to the wind very well I mean surely you thought an adult would avoid that morning, and an rubbed his hands together in Glee, but Yeah. He never looked settled. He always looked. A little bit irritable and It's interesting hearing settling. Say in your interview there Matt the. After that I that which he won very convincingly, he he got to end up I. Thought we'll have one. That's and I can still play a lot better because that was my impression just now watching it. He didn't play that great. In the first set it was there were moments where it was great but it. It was really patchy, really really patchy so mentally to think of just beaten. The footer of just want set against the four time defending champion, and I'm not even really playing my best I was expecting to watch this match NC settling just redlining and basically being in a Purple Patch for the whole match, but it it wasn't like that he had ebbs and flows, but he was never really not in control. And I think the point that he said at the start of that interview was that. He felt more comfortable in his game in two thousand nine, not because he was playing his best necessarily, but because he was getting through matches where he wasn't at his best, and that is, that is so much of what tennis is about. You rarely play your best game. To win normally, it's about finding a way to win when you're not at your best and I. Think Settling really improve that adamant of his game in this in this tournament of the rest of his career. That's what I unfortunately. I can't attribute this quite because I genuinely completely forgotten. He said it may be David can remember, but practicing isn't about improving your best game. Practicing is about improving your average game. I. Can't the Tributes Twenty Buddy but? I think. Maybe it was allure original. You're right. Well settling went on. To beat Nikola, Davydenko, six, one, six, three, six, one, which is very very impressive scoreline to back up a win like that. Then he edged his way past Fernando Gonzalez in a fifth set, and faced Roger Federer in the final, the whole world, waiting to see federal could finally take advantage of somebody removing refund the Dow from his path, and that's the money would face in the final, not federal trying for the career slam to complete. Complete the set. So what does settling remember about that? How does the experience compare? It was different story on. That was my first grand. Slam final something that I have been dreaming about since basis started playing tennis and to play against Roger Who's show, or who is so while so experienced already back then you know. He plays so many Grand Slam finals. He had so many titles already, so mentally may be our soon really. Really prepared. For that. But I didn't think much about who was playing. You know it was Roger had the chance to to to find a win the French. Open, you said the Tida or break or tied the record against the. Against Empress. but it was. It was difficult was to find. And mentally, especially in the first set that was not the took a while for me to kind of get into the match. and. What made Federa so good that day so tough to play against? I mean to me. Rogers has always been the toughest opponent. I'm not saying that's. Necessarily better than than Darah son Novak. At to me was more difficult to play against him because he was able to mix up his game. You know so much. He makes you uncomfortable on court. Playing Malaka Raft, even though a even though I lost, you could still go off the court and feel that I played well. You know it was a good match. He was just Baird Me Day, but against Roger. Of all the times they played against him. There's just a couple of times or few two three four. Maybe four times I felt that. I played well. It was always so difficult to play well against him and I realized you know in the beginning. I was like I, I. Know I need to play well to have a chance to beat Roger. but I just never couldn't do it, so I was frustrated about that, but then after a while areas that. Is His style. He makes you uncomfortable on core in makes you. Knocked that's one always strange strengths. Actually you know. He makes you and not play your best tennis. Do, you ever think that S-. Federal maybe wouldn't have a French Open if you hadn't they in the dull that day. Do you ever think about the way your victory Ivan? An adult really altered the course of tennis, history and that way? while he only won it once you know the way he played that year, he could. Of course he could have been. He could beat rustling the final. But. I think that. Roger both no in they will or slams, and I think Roger is at least equally as good as too so I. Think you know this serves to have won. All four Grand Slam is just a shame that his only win. was against me. Yes. He did make him play badly relatively speaking, didn't they? Because he was throwing DRP shirts in every other shot, giving him all sorts of different angles, and you could see selling almost lawn and to shout. Give you normal shot, so I can hit. The living daylights out of. Ronald as ones that have run after up to the net. It was funny to watch my memory of that time. Is that going into round on gals? Everyone was talking about how fedor developed a dropped shot on class. Especially, if forehand drop show, and the and the story was that it was to try and beaten Adul- and then. We didn't have to play door, and it turned out to be the perfect weapon to beat. The guy did have to beat. And I think I think we should say that. Circling beaten doll on the Mondays we've as we've set around on garrison federal than the next day goes to set down to Tommy Haas and this fall in the third thirty forty down and break point down, and if he if he'd lost that point house would have served to not federal in straight-sets and federal comes up with. With a forehand winner on the line, and that was a crucial moment in this tournament as well and I think he had he was on the ropes against pop tro in in the semis as well and then, but by the time he got to the final. kind of felt like heeds. Done the really hard work, and there's just this overwhelming sense of occasion about it and I just I just think federal handled. It better came out of the blocks so fast in that final, and didn't allow serving any time to set or whatever. Breaking the in his opening service named knee is is robin settling the only person in the world? He thinks that we're the federal could've one that French Open had settling, not taking adult forum. That year is an interesting one, isn't it because? Let's say the Dow's maybe not playing as well not yet and federal is playing well, I mean it will never no way, but that's the only outstanding question. I mean the the evidence. Is there for all to see every other year? The Dow just? Being too good for more somebody else has been too good from federal. Nidal's beating the loss, but that particular year well. Maybe but. I don on balance I think all of us think probably notes on this I think if the Dow get through that match. He probably improves and ends up winning it. Because, he's done every other time apart from. A Don't think he was. Bad enough. You know it. He'd beaten federal little of four games in the final the before the the relative differences, the relative change in form for both of them that would have been required. Tennis wise and both to counteract the mental baggage cumulated by that point I just think that shift with. Big Personally, but also so much depends on the weather as well, doesn't it? It would have been quite interesting to see a damp sake day full for Federa- any any might have. been out a mess about him. Yes as we learned from ESPN yesterday, Federa Sochi tick. By the way, we should say Catherine was upset. You write about five day match for Nidal against settling at Wimbledon. We've looked up. In that five day match remember it, does it. Why are we talking about that? More tennis match lasted five days. How many times In the last twenty years buying you on about Henman even is a village. That was any three days. Yes. They went on eight separate time. An ended up being seven five in the fifth. Tedious, techy is how the New Times described that much afterwards, so that was a third round match. Yes, say. Day on the second Wednesday and still reached the final. Gosh yeah, it's no wonder. He lost the fine. Lines running. It's good. Overall it's it's good that federal managed to win that Title I would've felt harsh. Not Well I think the thing about Federer is he made show for five years. He never lost the French Open to anyone other than the Dow, and as every match has got pressure on it because he knows that he needs to win, but for the off chance that the. The dollar's GONNA lose and the one time he did. He was there to take. Event was still stressful, wasn't it? We've just whilst the highlights back. And even even when he's seven four it where abundance he's, he can, you can see in his features. He's blazing forehand drive all these long. These is shanking shots and his wife is holding hands together in prayer. I the whole thing is is is so edgy. Yeah and he's two sets up, so you know he's still. He's GonNa cushion. There is not on a knife-edge. It's sort of echoes of Andy Murray trying to serve out the the twenty thirteen Wimbledon Mono. You felt like you feed got broken back. Everything could change actually settling completely shanks doesn't a on on on break point thirty forty is. That was. Terrible terrible error in the circumstances I, think that final is also memorable for something that didn't appear in the highlights, and actually an incident that perhaps made it into a tight match, because federal runs through the first set easily, and then I think is in the second set whether this the guy who was calling himself Jimmy, Jimmy Jump, man, or something, ran out of the coal, ran out from the stands onto the court and waved a Spanish flag, riding federal his face, and it was a good few seconds before the security team sort of ran onto the court and Nevada tackled him, but it was a a really scary moment I mean he could have. Had, a weapon could have been trying to call home, and if he wanted to, it would have been able to and I think I think it did rattle fetter I mean, of course it would for a few games in that in that match. I do I mean this is a silly redundant thought experiment. Is there. An Alternate Universe Image Federa didn't get that two thousand and nine French Open, and he now aged thirty eight, rather than sort of skipping the clay court season in focusing his attentions elsewhere is basically a playing clay season just. Really desperately trying to get that. Elusive friendship and he's got a coaching tape of Jose higueras. Back in the snowman. And he's playing like all the warm up events. He's playing an Esterel. He's playing in. Yeah he's playing. He's playing. He's even playing the ones after Wimbledon. He's off to catch bill to get some early practice in the next year. My career is all about the French Open now. In February and Have Been. Would he still playing? If you haven't done that? Two Thousand and nine, French, because he wouldn't have been able to, or he wouldn't have wanted to skip clay-court seasons and preserve his body and so. A Lotta things would have been very very different. Would you found another year to win it? Tonight during say. Well, we'll never know, but it's fun to talk about. And what about Robin Soderling I think I? Anybody talks about this match this year. You can tend to forget that. He then backed it up the next year, and he went all the way to the final. He beat Federa along the way it was the only time he ever beat Federer, sixteen one who's the head to head in favor of federal, but settling beat him got to the final played in the Dow again, but then got crunched in the final, the Dow on a big sunny I took him out. In straight-sets, and then an unsettling says that he's actually most proud of that swearing in twenty ten against federal of all his big moments vote on Garros because as he's explained federal for him was the toughest opponent and federal at the time was on A. Streak of I think twenty three consecutive Grand Slam semifinals reached, and suddenly stopped him in his tracks, and he gave a great line that. Sometimes, he just wishes them both in one tournament and lost in the first round the next year. Then, he'd have guaranteed, so, but yeah, he did. It makes it all the mole. It's a story. You can connect with I. Think all the more that then carried it on. It wasn't a fluke. Beating dollar wrote on Garros. He launched this next phase of his career, which was stronger. Yeah, we will remember. Ruben settling a lot more than we remember. Martin Kirk or marry on a rule. Mount of Washington so an old days, people. Have that place in in history and played pop, but I yeah it. is she usually impressive that he brought it up the next year? Not Anybody would have been would have been expecting that money. Think unsettling, only played for just over two years after that win against needle in two thousand, nine suffered from mononucleosis, and he can tell us himself what happened. It was a really tough time of course I spelt that. When all this happened! That was playing may be my best tennis. Had A great start of two thousand eleven. I had some problem. During spring had some problem with injuries, and then I started to play really well again after Wimbledon belong in Boston, and then this happened so of course. It's a shame that it that it happened during. During a time in my career, when I was may be at my peak. But sometimes I feel like okay. What if this happened when I was eighteen? You know I still had a good career. I have so many good memories. I reached any of the goals. I had. S, s junior, not all of them, but at least. Many of them. On site tried to see in a positive way, but of course the first year or even two three years after retire was mentally mentally tough, especially watching tennis on TV I remember watching us, open and was Nishikori against sillage in the finals. Though is like the first time. Since well since I was in the final, basically that no-one apart from. Roger Rafa. And the analysis in the finals, and and these guys I saw they were, they were extremely or are extremely good. Players by had a winning record against them myself. That I was a little bit of ahead of them so of course I. My thought was so came maybe maybe. That would be or I felt that. I should have been lung winning. Grand Slam title instead of just laying on the couch, and I really wanted to play, but I just couldn't do it. Extremely frustrating. And am I right in saying that you tried several times to come back. Yeah, I tried lost unite. I really didn't want to give up because I was when this happened I was I was still only twenty seven years old, and in my mind, I plan to play. At least you know five six more years. So I, felt that I had time, but I really wanted to try to Comeback I. Love Playing Tennyson that was that had been basically my whole life since since I was four years old when I first started. FUCKED didn't work out in the beginning. I was extremely Sake I. Didn't even think about tennis. You know and that's that's when you may before the first time in your your life. You really realize what's important than that's healthy. Do in my career basically not all I. cared about, but what I can mostly was the tennis. I think that's the case for many professional athletes, not only tennis them. Than when you can't play and you feel sick. You know in the beginning. I just didn't care about. The fight could ever play again. I just wanted to to feel good. But then when I started to feel a little bit better, you know of course I. think that's how we we. And my perspective changed a little bit than I. Really wanted to come back and I felt okay, but as soon as I started to train and push my body. Symptoms came back extremely tired again that stay in bed for a week. And United felt that. Somewhere deep down in my mind. I felt that you know okay. Now I'm going back I gonNA. Try Again, but somewhere. I. Don't think it's really gonNA work but I still wanted to to try and every time I had setbacks than. You know I finally took the decision to towels and Steven I think which is basically like four years later four years after I played my last match and then. It was a tough decision to take, but at the same time I kind of felt a little bit of a release. You know because then I then. I knew that okay now. I, don't have to. TRY TO COMEBACK I. Don't have to think about. Coming back every day I, don't have to feel stressed about the time passing I could just focus on you. Know trying to rest. Do Everything suitable to to come back? No matter if you will take one more week or three more years. And how are you now? What are you doing? Now. I feel good finally I. Knew nobody took. To say to five six year, someone say to I mean the last the last couple of years I do not see a identity bad at all, but to really be able to push my body and to train and do whatever I want to long long time. But now i. feel good also I. Still Play some tennis I work. Dan For the federation. Davis Cup captain. I have my own my own brand. Doing tennis tennis balls and Accessories Tennis Geren also now tattle, so he takes takes a lot of time but I I'm still really glad I'm I'm involved in tennis? You know as I said. I Love Tennis. been playing my whole life so It's just it's just great to be back in the tennis world. Even though I'm not playing myself, it's good to hear that he sounds positive now, but he's obviously gone through a really tough time of the those years, I mean he was at his peak, he just one tournament without dropping a set in both start in Sweden and it seemed like you know he'd got best years ahead of him. Maybe even still and then it was snatched away. It did feel like he could have been a rinker, didn't it? At that stage in he is, his career received the Franken. Won His his Grand Slam finals, bit. It did feel like that suit of. Trajectory. And he certainly had. The the belief to do that as we've discussed that was, that was a crucial ingredient that was just missing from. From so many at that time and I love Israeli Gentle Troll, if the twenty fourteen year sap and final. Yeah must've been tougher him. You know thinking. That there was an opportunity here and I. I wasn't even able to to put myself in in the running for it and the other thing that he says that really. Just hits you in the gut is the relief he felt. Upon retiring at not having to feel anxious about time passing anymore, you know that feeling of losing ground without even doing anything and we've discussed that in relation to what's going on at the moment is frustrating as it must be. All the players to not. To be in this situation of not being able to play at least as not that feeling of losing ground. You're. Not! Everybody's in everybody's in the same position. You know watching the tour. Turn around you while you stay. Stay static. That must be. An incredibly. Nausea and juicing feeling really just very difficult to cope with. And and Hearing the stories of I've had these sort of things from our Mary ranch as well who suffered with mononucleosis. The way you just end up lying there unable to move, you got no energy, and then you do start feel better, and you make you go at it, and then you've got no energy again. Yeah. It's such an intangible illness, isn't it? It's so. So severe is very difficult to pinpoint exactly what the symptoms are I think a lot of people just feel generally drained and rubbish in some people experience extremely mildly, and some people extreme experience it in the way that the sewed which again must make frustrating, and it's one thing to to. To say to people who for people tonight I'm out of tennis because I've got. A hip flexor injury or whatever, but to just sort of be tired all the time, and not just sort of a depleted force this sort of in concrete intangible condition. It's must must've been so hard for him especially for. Athletes whose whose whole life is built around that body being physically strong so then the? Be Weak and feeble and unable to get back out on the cool. Yeah, I mean that. That gentle troll of Nishikori Chile actually comes up really sad image of just a guy who knows that you sitting watching it on the sofa knowing he should be. There will thinking he should be there. Some I've often think of del Paltrow's the main. Guy This air. Who has been taken out by injury? But I think certainly, and you have to have to include him as well because I think his. It was less well-documented as you said because it wasn't so specific departure risking treat. It was, it was intangible illness and Just kind of just dissipated and so two, so to hear him explain what went through is is is important, but also quite quite sad rating. Yeah glandular fever for those of us on this side of the Atlantic that illnesses known as I've heard so many people in tennis and sportive suffered from its and. Really feel free over that happy that he has got things going in his life in another direction now and got that closure. That's the most important thing, isn't it? Acceptance and and that sort of hotline to his career is being drawn, and he has so much to look back on and feel proud about here. We are eleven years on talking about his run, and it will happen for the rest of his days I'm sure that there will be people. Come into him and ask him. How did you beat Raphael? The Dow because only two men in history at the French Open. I've ever done him and Novak Djokovic. And did his Novak Djokovic tomorrow. Who is one of the pleasant will be focusing on in Roland? Garros relieved because we're going back to twenty, fifteen and twenty sixteen, when Jackovitch reached the final of both and he came up against Stanford Rinca, in the first them Andy Murray in the second memorable years, and we'll look ahead to those tomorrow. It's been a lot of fun today. Catherine Matt Thank you your company. Will look back on those David's. In in very pandemic, twenty twenty style getting the post confused with the present. In the flow now that it feels like this is actually happening. Watching these day at a time, and they might be really happening for everybody, but anyway hope you're enjoying reliving them with us here. On the tennis podcast we sent the are. Due reviewing on I tunes. If you're enjoying the shows, and if you WANNA, turn anybody you know about them, do so please because the more people that listen to it the more where able to do with the show and. I think we were really chuffed it. 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Cologne 2, Ostrava !!! And should Hawkeye stay or go?

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Cologne 2, Ostrava !!! And should Hawkeye stay or go?

"Hi, this is Marion. Bartoli. Mats Wilander. This is Mary Carillo Thundering Kern Lleyton Hewitt. I'm. This is Yannick Noah Hi. This is Lindsay Maxwell from Philadelphia, and you're listening to the tennis podcast. Hello and thank you to Lindsay Maxwell there that you heard in our intro. She's in Philadelphia or the streets of Philadelphia as Matt replied when I asked him to remind me where Lindsay was from little little bruce reference. Say thank you Lindsey Hello Philadelphia's in. Pennsylvania isn't it swing state? Anyway. Do you get out and vote if you are in Pennsylvania or anywhere else in the United States of America. And don't adjust the device that you're listening to when you start to talk about Alexander Vera of winning a title in. Cologne. Yes. It is the exact same chat that we had this time last week. Because Tennessee's reached new levels of weird and we will be having at that same conversation again at some stage today to stool knee. Things of weird only David. And If they're not duplicating themselves. They're adding exclamation marks after themselves. And having dogs and bands and Basically what we had last week. Really. Don't the exclamation multi with the dogs in the Band David. It also looks like the exact same trophy in Cologne to honestly by spot the difference photo between Cologne one and Cologne to various holding exact same trophies. She you know that true food we gave you last week. Where did you put that? Bring it with you. Why is it is at hand So. Yeah. Those are things that have happened this week Cologne again, Zverev again, we'll come and talk about that. But I think we should probably start off by talking about a straw ver-. And I feel like I have to shout it because of the summation marks. It's really it's it's really affected my viewership of his driver this week, the volume of exclamation marks because I feel like somebody shouting at me. When I watch the screen, which is not necessarily what I want. Arena Saba Linka won the title. She did the singles doubles double. She also won the doubles title alongside partner. Elise Mertens they're great doubles partnership. She tour a rancor in the final fairly one sided final for for number of reasons, which we will come on to talk about she was six love four love down David in the quarterfinals. Selling, see-saw Saribas Tour I. Six love full of. I mean I know this can happen with Arena Salamanca. I mean. She does she. Cheese just who she is isn't she she does revert to type incredibly she is the absolute extreme of that all or nothing type of player. I mean she's a predictions nightmare. Golf you of those she's the worst of the lot in a way because you can't put your house on what you're GonNa get you just from her performance wiser someplace that will produce a certain level most weeks. She is just not like that an although the last two years at this time of year she's just been incredible. If you think of the way she won Woo. And last year the last two years nobody getting anywhere near. But in this tournament that was not her this was not arena sabbath linkages thrashing through the draw like she's done in the past I don't know whether you you look at it and you think well, this is gross. This is a renaissance learning to win when she's not playing well or more that it's just that. Veering of of. Levels within matches from one extreme to the other, and that's certainly what I witnessed because I. I turned on to see most of the match, the one previous the one you just described she played Coco Golf and I was really interested to see this match from for number reasons one because golf had qualified to get into the tournaments and I thought the fact that she's qualified through those rounds. That's a good sign for having had a few rough weeks and I thought I wanna see what the tennis is like whether the double-faults are happening and. I think any time you put a Gulf began. Blanca you're going to get fireworks. It's going to be interesting and they had I think the tournament you presented frozen Prime Catherine was was Lexington. are think they had a real battle there as as I recall? But this was not a bad latour. This was coca golf just dismantling away with arena Sabah Lanka who is nowhere near as you know, the first set was six, one, twenty minutes Celica was. I was watching it and I was thinking I find this unprofessional, the level of tennis she's putting up his. Unprofessional it so bad and and coca golf is playing well second-set i. don't quite know how it turned around, but it did and Sabah Anka played better when the second set third-set. I think I'm I chewed as it didn't turn it off but I basically tuned out as golf got the break with a lunging lob on the stretch to go something like five two or five, three up and I pretty much just zoned out from the rest of the match. then. I found out in Sabah link of one hundred thinking. I just don't know how that's possible that she has won that match even when she'd want it no chance she's going to go very far playmate listen this tournaments and then we find out she's six low down in in the next match and. And then she won the next twelve games of the match to win those two sets six, four, six love I mean. I don't know I don't know what to make of a because by the time she got to the final and okay US Aranka. Didn't look fully fits but selling is just destroying just dismissing she's nothing and this is one of the best player of the year so far and I know she wasn't at a best. But that Sabah link when she's absolutely on top form, she's frightening I mean she did the same Jennifer Brady. Didn't she in the semifinals she she just took her out and I don't I don't really know what to make us up, but I can't I can't figure it out what makes good and what makes her rubbish because those two extremes can be there in the same match yeah I feel like we're in the exact same place that we've been in at the end of the twenty eighteen season and the two thousand and nineteen season with arena sabotage because she's finished strong one title. And now we'll just wondering whether she's going to be able to carry any kind of momentum into the new year and whether she's GonNa be able to replicate really incredible tool success I think this was a seventh career title lots of those at Premiere events whether she's going to be able to replicate that at the slams where she's never been beyond round full. So I think as much as she was winning in different ways to how we've seen her winning in the past I still feel like we're in pretty much exactly the same place with her this was this was Oh tournament that replaced the Asian swing. She's where she's traditionally had her best result. She's had a great result here again. But I'm just left wondering a Cabo what next what else we WANNA know she can do this and I feel like there was that much to learn about her but but what I would say is that I watched the final I was tracking those schools throughout the week and expecting A. Roller Coaster final I thought she was so so great again Sir and. I would only really judge the first set because as their income was clearly. Off Color in the second set. But in the first that I thought she play quite well as anchor in Salamanca dominated her she hit twice number of winners. Two unforced errors was just generally brilliant was producing the kind of tennis. Well I think when we will Jing during a few weeks ago we were pinning Sablon, the type of person who feels like the way that the game has moved on since as a Rinku was her best a few years ago, just an upgraded however Nevada anchor now is kind of proved us. Wrong in the last couple of months about about that this was power tennis absolute best from. She was dominating very, very good victor as rinker and. It was the probably the one of the best sets of ever seen play to be honest and yet I still don't feel like I can draw any conclusions from it. Yeah we we took. Judge plays on their ability to. Peak it slams now subline crews not only as of yet failed to master that she's she's she's actually the total opposite. She's peaking it with respect to these events these points in the calendar at exactly the wrong moment. Consistently in terms of having ambitions to win slams because it must be so frustrating to peak at a time. When you just running into a brick wall at full speed she she takes the whole year to reach full speed, and then there's a brick wall in front of but I don't I don't feel that we see enough frustration about that fact from her the certain players over the years that I've been frustrated watching that seem okay. Counting Place of being an example, Thomas, Burdett to some degree plays that seem okay with. Okay not not doing that whether the Grand Slam but it did really well the week after. Well, thank you didn't give stuff about a week after it's relevant. To relative to to the level of tournaments and I think. I would like to see more concentration on these big events and finding a way to peak. Too, much resignation from Saab Link about her style of play on the pitfalls of it. We talked at the friendship and didn't we about converter and how one of her best assets is how quickly she shrugs off? Eras. Blazing errors because she just accepts that that's her style of play is that kind of a double edged sword thing I mean I think vitriol strikes violence really well, but is SABA linka to like well, I'm playing horribly but that's my style of player just accept it. Nothing to panic about or work on here could there be an element of if not bit of fatalism about her his style. Yeah I think. I could be because. She's no longer with the same coach She's with the different coaching set-up. Not exactly sure who who these people that she's working with now. But I I I would like to know what's possible with her. If if somebody's Gets hold of a mentally in just says no, no we're going to map had a real strategy here and if this happens and if those bullets not going in, you're going to do this and I I don't sense there is a lot of that I don't know about you matt. I just think it's one of the biggest imponderables generally on the w told the moment that there's there's a group of players in southern Kaz category. I would say I would put filling would put place in that players who are prolific winners on the tool. But haven't been able to translate that to the slams and I actually think you could look at semple incas losses at the slams and I think this during in the French Open I don't think she's had many bad losses. She's just not had good winds and that feels like the hurdle she needs to overcome. But I don't know whether it's the same problem for every player in terms of not being able to translate to success to the slams I don't know whether it's because other players peak more slams or whether. The JEHMU kind of rhythm of the tournament is different all the fact that the stakes are higher I genuinely. It could be a combination of all of those kind of things but I think in in the men's game, it feels something more understandable because there's such a point of difference with the slams being best the five that best of three throughout just makes me question it even more. But I don't know inside Blancas case I. I think I I. Don't think she's quite the same as covid severe. I think she's more emotional than. Patrick I think she gets more straight to Bhai errors than cassava does and yet the fact that she's had these incredible recovery in these matches this week would suggest that. That's not that much of an issue for her she can just change her. Fourteen quickly in a match To me she's the most baffling bewildering player there is I think on just in tennis I would say at the moment I just. Can't get to grips or their toll It was. It was an all. Belorussian final. Not, every day you see one of those vitry the first time ever. In on the all that had happened. I sort of. I think if these two is being from the same country, I've never heard them if you ever seen them in the same room, if it wasn't a great deal of warmth. A racket tap you know there was those politeness news. June respect, but there wasn't that feeling of. We're, compatriots. There wasn't warps. They're really there was there was a lack of understanding I mean obviously different eras I understand. And Cyber Link came through when as rinker wasn't really on the tour. I think they've never really. Paul I maybe I've missed it but I can't think of any quotes were assembling crews talked about as rancor being a mentor and inspiration or any kind of sort of figureheads for her. An icon yeah. Maybe I've missed the rancor suppling Golovin. Apologies to that love in. If it happened and I failed to notice it. In terms of rancor a bit of a talking point from the final I mean. As as you I think as you both said, I don't think I think she actually played pretty well early on and certainly Saba Lenka said that was one of the things she was most pleased with her quotes after the match that she felt she when. I. was playing well, it starts. She felt like she really was dealing with an and keeping ahead but then it became very clear that she was significantly underpowered on the court as incurring. Then she takes a medical timeout. was, it between sets the the medical time out well, I I noticed that she wasn't feeling well between sets she looked. Dazed almost bit dizzy between sets and then I think it was when she was a breakdown I think to one I want to say in the second set where she took the medical timeout. So she, she takes a medical timeout and. Couldn't over here everything like she was complaining about being as you say dizzy fatigued, which she certainly looked on the court by that stage. I think headache and she subsequently had some she. She actually lay down in Hudson treatment kind of on her lower. Lower Skull and on the back of her back of her neck. Now, we don't know exactly what the injury is I. Do know that those can be symptoms of Covid nineteen some of those, and she wasn't wearing mosque during the medical time out I don't know why the first thing that happens in that scenario is an the medical professionals coming onto saying you need to put your mask on in. Ireland. See have a consultation and receive treatment I don't know whether. They have the authority to do that and I'm not doing it or whether they don't have the authority to do that. But. For me some of the blame lies there I can understand how you know in the heat of competition. It's I mean. I still don't think it's okay but I can understand how you could just Monday only forget inventories during his position. I. Personally I think you have symptoms of Covid nineteen on the call. You can't play tennis that that's how I. Feel about it. But to see a medical time out taking place. With no mosque I mean it's it's not that big in position to where a mosque I it's not. It's not that much fun but. I don't get it. I. Don't get what's not connecting hereabouts to be there when she lay down on the on the fluids, get the treatment on the back of her next put a towel over her full face. Went from no mosque disorder full face waddling. I I was surprised because it's felt the isn't that just what happens now because we've seen to entire grand slams where exactly that happens without fail so okay, you might get somebody taking. Not taking it seriously and kind of Hof wear and get something not which which we've all commented on but in this instance yeah it just appeared to be optional and that. I I don't agree with that either. I I'm surprised. Maybe I'm maybe I'm the one that's out of touch but I'm surprised more sort of implicated people aren't getting more set up about this if I was that, doctor. Or Physiology I wouldn't be having that if I. IF I was Saba Lineker, I'd be asking questions frankly because they're both handling the same balls and everything. Maybe, maybe, I'm just more hats off about covid nineteen than everyone else in the world is. Catherine so a blooming pandemic Hundred percent of grew is a straw ver. That's the last time I have to shout a strove a e. Is the no we've got lint we have lintz, we have one more event recall. We don't know how many explanation monks will be involved with winds but I'll say it normally for now. We got one more tournaments on the WJ tool. Pretty Jarring. Isn't it? Yes. When you consider I mean look we know the reasons why the entire autumn season is in China or is in Asia, and there is no sports happening in that part of the world, the moments, and so the entire circuit has just come to a grinding halt and meanwhile the man going to go to to Paris and have a masters one thousand event they're going to have an ATP finals at the o two Arena and several other tournaments this week in. Vienna these good big tournaments and. It's really sad to see the lack of women's tennis tournaments guide on the rest of this year by comparison. Absolutely, a meanwhile on the ATP tool events happening twice. Just to rub salt into the wj Williams. Because Alexander's Vera one Cologne again. This time he beat Schwartzman six, two, six one. In the final he seemed to me, I didn't see loads of this. I saw some of the Metro Begins Yanic Cinna 'cause I know you had. A dog in that fight. David. He seemed even better in Cologne to back with vengeance than he did in Cologne. One. And he specifically referenced feeling a sense of revenge in that Yanic cinemax he he actually said. In his post match interview there was no way I was going to lose again to. Yannick. Of course. I I kind of like that of course, referring to the fact that senator was the one who beat him a Roland Garros a couple of weeks ago And then in the final against Schwartzman which I did watch, he was exceptional I mean I kind of go into match is. Expecting some kind of drama role lapse that he's going to have I. Just I mean, we've just seen it. So often is I'm tune to think that way but this was a complete departure was so efficient think shorts from was a bit knackered from playing a three hour max the night before against Australia seem but. I've just crushed him as soon as he got the lead, he didn't. He didn't let Schwartz from back in the tool and that was a positive sign for him. All his usual vulnerabilities with strengths I thought we didn't have any double faults is forehand was powerful Yeah. It was just a really confident complete performance Again. Similar to Salamanca in the not sure, we've learned a great deal from this. We know he can win tour events. He's been doing that for years he's great at it and I was encouraged by kind of the way he played I suppose but in terms of the actual results. At this stage in various career is obviously great that he's winning titles but I think the when we reflect on. The kind of way will mark progression is the fact that he did better in the slams than he's ever done before so. There was too much to learn, but he was. He was impressively looks in a good place. He seems to have really moved on from the US Open final, which I think was still on his mind law in Paris Yeah he's he's looking to have a strong end of the season for sure. I mean. In terms of what we learned? Yeah. I don't learn anything new I think it definitely did confirm for me how many verbs issues that we have discussed all. Fundamentally down to confidence. When I when I see him standing up on the baseline and swatting away that four hand. I think, right? Okay. I mean, that's obviously the thing to do Ms Grey can look like such a great shot. And I know it seems so obvious to us standing to meters behind the baseline and being a six six inch counterpuncher is not the way but. It obviously takes confidence in order to do that and becoming the world number one in Cologne. Is that's a contradiction in terms, isn't it but Obviously. The confidence. was impressed by the way I. I'm impressed by his appetite as much as thinner. It's not that's not new, but it'd be so easy having as Matt. Says had career moments at the slams this year. And Still got enough driving him at the end of the year after all. That's GONNA in Angola. Hammering. Steichen. deservedly. Off, the colts he still comes out and he wants he just wants to compete. He wants to play wants to win and okay I think he's he's made a lot of details in his career that I'm quite surprised that we've seen from him a the fact that he just keeps coming back for more after the the man arena match on Friday night I didn't know how but he actually most lose the second set when he was a set a break up and it really looked like straight-sets win. Again I turned off pretty much cut turned on again at the end of it and he was saying. They we're talking about some kind of injury I. Don't know what it was, but he said there's absolutely no way. I'm ever GONNA retire from matches. Quite. Bullshit batter, and I quite liked i. like you said I like his fight like spirit in that. In that way, there's a lot about very that I don't like at times but there are some things that sometimes you think yeah, could fuming. He's a great dog, lover. And screw. He had a good vibe going on with Barney I. mean it spent enough time there you'd expect A. SUSPECT OF I. Start up between him in Bonnie the dog Barney was asleep for most of the two weeks. Or whatever. Yeah I won't Bonnie's life he's asleep on free mattresses. Occasionally. Waking Up to watch some live tennis from involved in the presentation and that's it. Yes. Stealing the show a Yeah Bonnie a triumph. Once again as were the swag. I mean, this really is just recycling loss, but I think the swag even better at at. Cologne into the sequel. couple. Pulled us up after last week to say that they were playing recognizable. Bangor's. For them. So I know because I'm not ready on those things but I have to take that for well I don't know if this will be odier audible but I checked up on this before recording and I. Yeah I can I can I can I play a little bit of them playing a Banger Sugar Front. leaving. She hate that song. But. It is in recognizable. Banger. Yet, they have a great went. They really seized their movements have the swag. Kacem twice. Muslims. Fifty weeks for. Three how rare is it for for a sequel to be better than the original and do we? Do. We think that of achieved that because not many examples of that toy story two maybe. Shrek some would say the Godfather too. Short to forever after. It was. Was It cold that Eglise? To. One of them is cooled forever off the. Trick to. T-. Better Than Cologne one. Yes. An aliens was better than agree. Cologne execs xl. I'm running I'm running out of material. We've got a Roland. Garros. Light situation again with David. David sitting in the dark it's very ground Toke Day effects. We move on to talk about Antwerp that was. For this week I'm using TV to light myself on the Soom call and unfortunately, it doesn't just stay in pause though I'm trying and occasionally just turns into some adverts that can't predict what it's going to. and. Ugo. Beats. Alex Domino's six, one, seven, six in the final. David. I think you watch most of this much. Yeah. Yeah. In fact, I became quite acquainted with unbear- because I watched the entirety of the semifinal with Dan Evans as well. He won despite having four match points against him and he was a set and six three down in that semifinal against against Evans in the tie-break and I. was really impressed to them bad partly because a year ago he was in the same position pretty much against Andy. Murray in the semifinals and he I think he was. He ended up losing six two in the third and it was two and a half thousand and I kinda thought. Not. Sure. UNBEAR- has he really come on in a year I'm not under not sure he has and I certainly don't feel like he's he's entered my consciousness that much over the last twelve months. Obviously. We haven't had that much tennis, but he he hasn't doesn't feel like he's become a factor but in those two matches, he really showed what he's all about. The way stuck in came up with some flashing winners. left-hander is a real. Is really talented guy on against Damore I. Fully expected to win that match and he came out firing on bad win the first set easily six one seconds set becomes a dogfights and again I'm just thinking this is dominos thing right here I just can't see this going straight sets and sure enough. Badge just had enough to get out of the line and also really impressive. Yeah. It was kind flawless final from him. Really apparently he's got a brilliant record in finals. All ever was he won Auckland at the start of this year and he went on a run of winning low to challenge titles about two years ago I. Think really that was when he had his breakthrough and improved his ranking and. I've kind of always thought that his ceiling would probably be top thirty eight. She sees a he's a good player. Crafty plies got a surprising amount of power after his frame I think. But I mean he's already close to talk the tea and I and he's still very young. He is improving I actually think his ceiling is probably a little bit higher than that I think will have limitations but. I think he could be a top twenty player. Next year feels like he's on that kind of. That kind of trajectory at the moment he's he's had a lot of solid results this year without doing anything like really spectacular beyond winning those two titles, which is impressive. You think he's got more titles than Chaparral. We've got more titles than orasure Elliott. This is. Quite, a big deal winning. Multiple titles in a year and a especially short the air and I think he's he's he's probably slightly better than I realized. He was I think in my mind I still see him I. Think it was last year's French Open Way was wearing knee-high Saux and he's very, very thin legs and it. Wasn't just wasn't a great look. But his actual tennis is really intelligent and crafty and He's he's a good player to walk. She was fun matches author against Evans and Demo- could styles. France on their way to developing a new crop of male players in the top thirty that take, win Grand Slams. But who are flamboyant and Colombo in great to watch you sort of waiting for them to do that next big thing, and then they just don't maybe he's the one who will. Maybe. Maybe. That came to mind because you'll simone has released his autobiography. This Week full disclosure I've got no intention of reading it. Probably would be great practice for my French. But I am enjoying the bits of it that coming out on twitter. because. He's not. Zeal or call because I just can't speak. It David keep sending us it'll. Experts asking to. Since late for him. So. There was no Hawkeye in Antwerp this week. And that's combined with a fee whether it is not sure what kind of weak David led to David Law getting embroiled in twitter I grow with Danish EPA valve would you like to fill in the blacks Boris? Thanks? Can I just say two days before that we had a lovely meeting in which I remember David, specifically saying. I've really enjoyed not being involved in any arguments on twitter recently. Yeah. He was bracing himself for his new mature. Mindful attitude. Soon, social media, it was much self-congratulation and then two days later. After that David says I'm having the weekend off. I'm not going to be in touch very much. I'm not going to do much twitter. It's been quite turn. Rotate S. Fine. Thanks fine Yeah. So anyway. Dan Evans can hatun of in this in this whole kyw free tennis match had. A succession of rows with the Empire, which were highly entertaining as far as I was concerned and. Other what did you think that? Will you instant I was incredibly entertained. Yes. Yes. I mean I must say the. I'm pirating was at times very questionable I. Felt like he sort of gave up halfway through and just thought this isn't my day. Lots of Dodgy Line Kohl's guide on. An overrules that he didn't need to make sort of thieves. Yeah but that point. He knew it. It'll go to Chisel and I should say that there was no Hawkeye as a as a cost cutting measure it was it. It was one of the things that they had to sacrifice in order to be able to run the event. That was that was why there was no Hawkeye this year in in Antwerp it was it was deemed kind of sacrifice that they were. Willing and having to make just to be able to put on the tournament for these, the plot and anyway, we had to hatching off closing in on victory. Playing very well, Evans playing quite well, but just not being out of keep up with hatching and. The acro- started and the the. Coal Stanton and hatching of smashed his racket against the Empire's chair and kicked the advertising bold on the on the net. which both amused me greatly and then just the cold. To, go to the loo and the empire just scolded him and brought him back which I always going to get ticked off having having a his tantrum you know and. You've just got to ask if you want to get to the toilet card he said to. All the way back to say that. So that was funny as well. Anyway. Tennis TV on twitter, which does like to the most of these moments decided to highlight this this outburst from play who you just don't get the sort of thing from at all which I loved the that it brought out this other side to Karen Hatch off at which point Dennis Chevelle of tweeted and bear in mind he's had his say about Hawkeye or lack thereof recently, he tweeted clearly, we don't need Hong, Kong hardcourts either anymore. Done once again, ATP tour. Which I decided to reply to him that I found it hard entertaining. Personally. Even though I could understand his frustration as a player, a which point twitter. Erupt and decides to to compiling it on me Fidel bearing to suggest that. The Dennis. Not Be right or that the might be an alternative viewpoints. All the time might be daring to say that. Hawkeye isn't a one hundred percent good thing and Dennis himself said, yes it super entertaining when your career or life doesn't get affected have you ever experienced what it's like to be cheated on the court? wishbone I was going to point out my line call for I would sell wholesome better of it We will furiously trying to compare replace to that which would include lyrics from either night train and her. Lyrics available on the Internet. So this meant having to listen to the tracks and. Navy's. rix. Find. I'm sure that's coming. So. Yes. At this point, I started to think. I really kind of regret getting involved in this because. Lots of people had lots of things to say about me. On clown apparently Many many others. That I discovered that I am as a result of expressing a viewpoint of enjoying this night will aced accounts coming in handy. Calls Not David I was cheering you on. Yes. Thanks for intervening. Right. That's what you've wanted is. Dragging me into your quagmire. Were you hoping back up? I thought it was a possibility not. Taken a turn that was not in our agenda. Wasn't already wasn't I I'd made my own bed by that point and I decided to try and fight my way out of it say to be clear your point of view. David. Is that the sacrifice? Take I think there's kind of two points it there's kind of the. Lack of perspective. I. Think of of just trashing the tournament or the Finan having Hawkeye at that event when as he said. The reasons for it would completely legitimate. And you know we should will. Make accommodations for that in these extraordinary times. That's kind of one issue which I think we probably will feel similarly on without be fair to say. It's It is typical really of I. Think Tennis Plas- just. Thinking about what goes into Putting stuff on it's not free. I mean that really wasn't the crux of my argument. Of Entertainment? Yeah we're coming onto that. So so you'll wide point re Hawkeye as you would draw the sacrifice, the increased accuracy or consistency. Fin Order to to gain entertainment valley. Without, be correct. I don't feel. I. Would completely abolish short kind now. No. But but I definitely feel that something has been lost by having it and I know that when they run out the challenges I, love it I love what might happen and how tencent might get an okay. This was just. A one off. There's a couple of tournaments a year when you don't have all kinds of tall and say, I, love it I do enjoy. The potential for people getting upset at moments in having a row on the court is fun and I mean there's no question about it. Those moments water between the the most watched moments of that tournament week. Now I don't necessarily think that in itself is always going to be the barometer of what is good and what is not good because. I do love the sport how to love the sport for the sports but equally. It was a lot of fun. I you know let's also bear that in mind before we start saying that everything must be automated yet that that point you made about tennis TV immediately clipping it up I. THINK THEY DO A. Of Brilliant. Job Really on their social media channels of promoting men's tennis and I. Just I had a look at a instagram TV videos. Of their five most recent ones the three with the highest views of either got controversy or drama in the title in they've got flawless of tennis with two hundred, Thirty, seven, thousand views than the Evans. Action. Of Dramas got four, hundred, thirty, eight, thousand views. So a significant amount more than you've got gasquet domino brilliant. Similar number two very of highlights. Then there was some doubles drama in Saint Petersburg over four, hundred, thousand views, and then there was another one bizarre controversy in Saint Petersburg with almost five hundred thousand views. So what was that? I'm trying to figure out who the player is in the thumbnail I can't tell who it is. I think. There is a translation between drama and more eyeballs on tennis and. Those moments getting people interested and I'll be honest. I've never this is going to be the kind of thing that you don't like me for saying I've never really thought about not having Hawkeye because I've just always known Hawkeye like and I think perhaps there is a bit of a generational thing like I. I wonder whether. Dennis chiappa valve is. Similar age to me he's he's kind of always known it as well. I know federal talked about another ways liking Hawkeye I think that can come into this discussion a little bit what you've known. But ultimately I think a player is going to have a different viewpoint to kind of anyone else I think in this discussion because they're the ones being affected by it on the court. But always short of I mean it. I am absolutely not questioning. The The. The ability of agro and drama to attract eyeballs. I'm very much to if those eyeballs. But are we lacking in the drama and the? Ad Events Weather's Hawkeye I feel like I. Didn't talk events and get to the end of them think or if any that hasn't been Hawkeye could say much more drama and I grew I deny and then Remove Nick for most of those events, you'd have an awful lot less. Fear. Thank you you're. Always GonNA come up with a witty reply, but I couldn't civil I could do is bad dish and do a grammar correction. hate myself. Okay. I I agree with David's. A Don't think. because. Okay. If let's say Hawkeye one hundred percent accurate I don't think it's appropriate to just sacrifice. Consistency accuracy. And Integrity for the sake of entertainment I, find that to be a slippery slope to go down. If entertainment value is prized above all else. Then what next I mean obviously just had dogs running late to the call more entertaining. Brilliant. You'll get my eyeballs every time you know you could make the players, go out naked eyeballs on tennis. Obviously, I'm. Giving extreme examples to illustrate being a bit facetious to instruct my point but. I you can prize entertainment value above all else I do think the water slightly muddied by the fact that who is not one hundred percent accurate. And it is often talked about and treated as if it is. That doesn't mean it's not susie period to all doesn't. Increase the accuracy above and beyond. Human Line. Cooling because it is at least accu inaccurate in a consistent way. What about all the wasted line Holcombe kind of challenges. What do you mean these? Oh. I've got three left I'll just start wasting time by using them up. That much. Much. Imagine what you would gain. If you only had one. And they had to be really positive is about when to use them. And then the next to one in a tiebreak. Why would you have an extra one? Start off with two. Didn't they? Yeah. I always thought. I thought it was better. It was a happy am from is of. Most. Of the time get coal you've got some strategy about when to use the challenges and it's quite likely that you run out and I agree that there is something exciting as a sense of what could happen when you do run outs of challenges I mean it's always picked up on by commentators when someone has no challenges left that's it. It's a significant thing I completely agree with you I wouldn't. Completely take it away because I think there's got to be. That that is my conclusion is not to remove, but just to reduce the challenges so that you have to be very selective. Make sure you believe you've got a Cosworth fighting for with this with this challenge, but that's a slightly different argument. Okay. So you're making the the the previous one which was. More and more drunk no because you get both as a result of it, you both get a tactical. Plays to the edge. I want to say well yeah. I. The want them to have to use it because they've seen a clear mistake that they want to correct all because the stakes are so high necessite set that something. More or less borderline they're gonNA roll the dice on. But if they get it wrong without and then the tension ramps up all the mall that that could still very well lead to cases where a significant much. Is decided. By A poor line call. A you okay with that. With that sacrificed for entertainment. Same for both sides of the net. Absolutely. As in the same risk of it on. Your bus. Neither one of you got more challenges than the other the start of the match just part of the Max we have that right now we have that right now you could have a match decided on. A dodgy line cold right now it's just where'd put the points. With it or not unless you go with Hawkeye life, which although works efficiently for the most part. I mean, maybe I'm just old fashioned but I think. I think it's definitely lose something. This is not the first time we've had this debate. Is. David is found an opportunity. To subject, you'll to some archive tennis podcast material. For. Group Art. And by the time, I was given the opportunity to protest David Oregon to the effort of digging out and clipping it up. So you're going to hear it I'm going to have to hear it. Here is. Myself Circuit twenty fourteen. David Law and Andy. Roddick. Discussing. Hawkeye at the Royal Albert Hall in December Twenty. Fourteen. You had a couple of spectacularly magnificent rows with empires in your early years. Pre Hawkeye now I remember you being one of the first players who said Hawkeye's brilliant takes all Johnson's out of the game. She feels sign that don't and listen I'm the first. You view things through a certain. Lens. While you're playing and you allow yourself to change once you're done and when I was a player that pissed me off, people would flip flop but you know Oh, six I was really thinking about I. wanted to get it right. I remember example of mine is a one US Open when I got a really bad call against Leyton and that I think that had ramifications for the entire tournament he go. He went on to win I. You know I was playing great going in didn't didn't get it so I didn't ever want to finish a tournament. Thinking that a call may or may not have affected the outcome on a bigger scale, entire business tennis's eyeballs on TV sets, and if someone's arguing with the referee loudly and aggressively. The eyeballs will remain on the TV set and I think Hawkeye has actually taken taken away a a little bit of that personality in tennis. Oh I completely get to the players want it I think it works great I. Think it is. It's it's been a success as far as serving its purpose and I would get rid of it. Right, Catherine Andy and I are in agreement we want to get rid of Hawkeye. How do we sort this out? You know people. deciding. To sort it out you're responsible now. I'm in favor of it. In general I'm quite sway. I'm quite swayed by your argument I think there is generally sterilization of sport, but I think if you take that argument to its logical conclusion, then you look at football soccer in in this country, there's such a strong argument that that the rows with unpoisoned referees and football, it's it can be it can be quite uncomfortable is not get up for the sport. You could. You could eliminate that with with. To a certain extent with video replays I, think I think. I think on balance. It's a positive thing. Decent is a certain element of the novelty having worn off with Hawkeye at the time is exciting and what you lost in personality you gain in the novelty of Hawkeye that's gone now I think I have a I. think we can meet in the middle here. Let's let's just cut it down to. Two. One. Challenge. For A match and if you get a wrong, you're out of challenges. For that. Data as long as you get them right you can keep it rolling, but you have to be pretty and I was guilty of to if you're if you're thirty forty on someone serve and you know they had a good shot you still. Still Review it it wastes a lot of time. We know we can get away with it. We have three. When are you ever GonNa? Guess three right. The only reason you use three because you can't you know I it. So maybe you have one of the beginning of the match and that's it for the entire match. So as long as you say, you can't complain about a bad call because that means you miss your your challenges somewhere along the line. Is Anything to. This guy the use, the non pie you're gonNA find a way you John McEnroe's finds a way to argue over line. Cool. Come onto wooden of being you cannot be serious with Hawkeye. There's two things there when you're when you're arguing without proof. And argument can take longer they. They're they're not gonNA give you a time violation win. It's. Basically. You have an opinion but if your opinion is has just been proven on a massive board for the entire arena see I don't think I'm probably going to have a hard time giving you time violation point penalties and they'd probably be writing in that judgment. But I think we've agreed one challenge it isn't I like it. Okay. That's. Up Sedate stitch-up that was war. One because I clearly do did not remember that in twenty fourteen agreed to your one challenge perset proposal. or Andy Roddick's one challenge proposal the evidently stolen from him for Manch to. One per match is that. We're seeing. and to stitch me right up on the VA off run from. Me Saying, Oh, there's a really strong case of AO brilliant in football. Age Age twelve bit there. Is They just they just run it terribly don't they I mean you know I think. Like I say I think that they should have a challenge system in football and soccer as well. Okay. So it's all about tweaking around the edges rule still find with Hawkeye and Var. Imprint WIFI widened out today or In principle it's Just. About financing the application around the edges. I think so can I just say there's there's a there's an irony that we haven't talked about yet. The fact that this all came up in the week when Dennis, shop out of himself. Had A problem with the electronic line calling in his matching Cologne to. He. He thought it was wrong and he was arguing with it, and of course, there was nothing they could do because they don't have lying judges and they were going with the technology. So that kind of goes back to your point about. Yeah. Even with technology that will still be acro-. There was still be drawn. I. Guess. It's just How do you create the perfect balance of making sure there's Enough of that while also recognizing the most of the drama and entertainment should come from the sport itself most often it does. And I think. With the discussion we kind of assuming that the all grow. And drama that we're encouraging here is the Dan Evans style like good natured a little bit funny agro in drama but there is sort of a slightly more sinister underbelly twiddle isn't there I? Mean it's not just a blanket any and all. Based on grades should be encouraged and promoted. I, mean it it content for the West absolutely I just feel that. There is room for more in the game. Then the raise and I and I think just. Just saying, let's have everything perfect and this have everything automated. What's next automated tennis players know we won't. We won't people want humans we want. Personality at one end of the spectrum, you've got automated what tennis players at the other we've got naked tennis players. Tennis player talks? Of The middle is two percent. One. percent. May. Everybody clothed. In other tennis news this week or should we cover should become a meal surrounded my pick for the title. Let me. Wasn't he? Yeah, he he had to actually hand the walkover t Greco Dimitrova ahead of their quarterfinal match and Enrico River on twitter he's Stats Guy that I've worked with a he's a good follow on twitter. Says that means meals rounded into joint third on the men's Whoa caver list just it's just not a list you want to be on. Is it Dr? Romelu. But it but it did we want to find out who else was on the list and and so I asked him and he said that corners has eighteen walkovers Kohlschreiber twelve and then Beck around each equally Levin I also wanted to know. What about retirements? Mid match with WHO is the top of that list was quite surprised to find that Tommy Haas. Has Twenty four retirements on the inside. This isn't the Matt in matches. Equal with Yankee tip savage and then. Pull on remote share and Marcus. Bank data's on twenty-three Nikolai Davydenko and twenty two in retiring mid match. I don't know. Just I'm quite surprised at some of those names radio I think. A lot of injuries when you think of his career as a whole but I'm still. Need tonight know. Number of matches per retirement. To make sense full central stats, I mean Jimmy Conway. Years Yeah. But it interesting one, an interesting that enrico sort of keeping track of We had a another retirement. We had judy ago. Yulia Gaga's announcing her retirement from the sports. Bit Of A. Surprise to me that one didn't see it coming I mean I know in the widest sense that I suppose this year was always going to to prompt. Reflection and decisions like this but I didn't have her in that category of said really, faded force. I mean, obviously, it was a few years ago that she hit her hit her real peak, the top ten didn't she wimbledon semifinal but but still but of a surprise aren't do wonder whether this is something that we're GonNa see more of with the coronavirus and its impact is whether plays really want WanNa put themselves through this type of career when they've already had maybe had the best years thirty one. And the prospects of playing tennis on the second involve quarantines and testing and. Living a very, very isolated life out of tennis tournaments and. Maybe when you've made a good amount of money, maybe that's just isn't for you anymore I, I haven't heard that from her, but I could imagine that being a factor four players as time goes on. absolutely we've had A. We've had loop. We announcing his split from coach Emily Marasmus. He's worked with a couple of years. Obviously, they had the greatest success very early in that partnership when we reached that Australian, open semifinal. Nearly two years ago. Now, I have to say when I saw the news if that retirement, my initial reaction was wow, remember luke. Kuechly. Because he hasn't been a relevant force in in the game for for so long which is a shame radio because. I remember that. Twenty sixteen match he played against the dull the US Open. So clearly a is certain. Watched it in the photography's pet. Just. Feet away from the is an. Electric I know that was a slightly depleted found dull but still he he lit up the Arthritis Stadium? That Dana I can think of so few. Moments when that's occurred since I mean, there's still time he's still he's still young but. Yet. It's a shame that that was my initial reaction to that that announcement. I mean you can't even get on the Colt at the moment I don't think he's on the tool for twelve months i. think he might have played one challenger earlier this year but he's just been injury written for got a year now, which is a real shame as you said, someone who kind of should be really hitting that prime I think he's just a plan a little bit in the Wilderness and maybe It's a shame that partnership has ended but maybe that's just him. Thinking I need a complete change of everything and he to kind of just start again totally and. You know kind of good up to next year because he's an exciting player when he's when he's playing well sent is. we have also had the news that Anki off the on will be joining the Wimbledon Board that follows on from quite appointed instagram post Randy. Murray responding to a really interesting piece with. Full Move Wimbledon finalist mal of Washington in the time and he was I mean you've took him out a lot of things I sutton encourage you to. To read the article, but he in particular to talked about the lack of diversity in positions of power in in sports. An Tennyson is something that under very much much picked up upon and and will be the first bay. Emmy. Member if Wimbledon's main board. Which is extraordinary relief perhaps, not surprising but. Regardless of the representation of diversity, which is great thing in and of itself I think she will be fantastic in the Position She's she's great and she's she's at a number of. Different things and she of really really. Good Nice Manner Balata bit pretty no nonsense when it comes comes to a really nice balance if those two things as experience coinciding with for several years now, you you ended up presenting TV with one of the pundits during the US hyphen cattering is prime and Yeah. That's exactly what it is. It's that she's got a very clear idea in her own mind is to to how things could and should be and isn't afraid to say it and that's that's invaluable I think is well. Finally there is that diversity representation and somebody who's just Of An age an recent experience to just be out of people have that view. And the a final point of order and on a communication we had from rose a day, which is a great name I. Hope I'm pronouncing that right picking up on something we talked about in last week's popcorn. She said, hi, all I just wanted to slightly amend something said on the recent episode when Discussing Doria Governor Leavitt Hotel Quarantine tennis professionals are receiving special treatment by the Australian government by being allowed to leave the country at all most requests for travel travel ban exemptions denied I've been wondering what the community sentiment will be if and when hundreds of tennis professionals are permitted into the country will many Australians remain indefinitely separated from their loved ones. which is a very, very good and interesting point I. There was the announcement today that Victoria is coming out of full look. As. Of Wednesday that doesn't mean returning to normality. but sunny, it's it's being the restrictions of being eased but some yes. Very important. Important Point on. Sunny is GONNA BE INTERESTING ISN'T IT I? Mean they they've been. So suddenly the perception from from the outside is that they've been extremely united is a is a country Australia in terms of the restrictions that they've imposed but. My experience being in the UK is that as things. Ease and in some ways easier. But in other ways get harder because they get a bit messier areas. Get Graha that's when the that's been the divisions arise and maybe they could be some. Unrest and resentment about you know welcoming thousands of. Sports people in their entourage is into the country. It is going to be interesting how they manage. All of that the Australian Open isn't it But that will all unfold in the fullness of time. Yeah Yeah Any other business anyone. You still annoyed with me for criteria grammar on Davidson who is Has Been. Attention. It's just the gloves are off. NASA anytime I get any affinity I wish I had an I ready to Kim to think of anything with your interesting to say, so I reverted to being bore. I've been thinking every every every minute since it happened. Right. I'm. Wondering what happens when we stop start recording? We discuss. Exactly what bit. Much. Shouts yes. Lease and apologies in advance if I'm not pronouncing any of these correctly, but the first one is to poll rory. LA, polar to Tristen Byu Lasse La Tristan Tristan's been in touch with us before. Yes. Yes. Yes, I believe he's in Melbourne actually as well. So La, tristen. And to Bangor, Adele can. Hurry. Thanks for thanks for backing. US thanks to all all three of you for back annisten everybody who has as well. It's It really is appreciation. Absolutely very will said, David I'm. Being obsequious now because I feel so bad. Right we're going to be back with an you said, you loved, I, grow at any cost. Playing by the rules. We're going to be back with another one of these in three days time we yeah. We a meeting last week. We did plums got plans they include doing. Biweekly podcast throughout November daily podcasts through out night biweekly costs from now until the to daily podcast throughout the ATP finals at two and at least weekly potluck because trump December, we don't intend to have a hiatus as we usually do sending me any short one but. We're not going anywhere folks. He can't get rid of this and all pointing the sanctuary. So thanks for listening. Friends leaves nine hundred. And we'll see on Thursday.

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Listener questions special - travel tales, worst 5-set matches and what should Wimbledon change?

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Listener questions special - travel tales, worst 5-set matches and what should Wimbledon change?

"Hi, this is Marion. Bartoli Mats Wilander. This is Mary Carillo Rowing I'm Lleyton Hewitt. I'm Andy Murray. This is Yannick Noah Hi. This is Trish in crews limb Saco from Amsterdam and you're listening to tennis podcast. Well Hello, and thank you to dress Jn in Amsterdam for your in Trae and fuel support in the twenty twenty. What are year? It's been It's been three whole days in our last tennis podcast and very little tennis has happened in the intervening time. So we why not do another one? Just to update you on. Tennis. News from the three day period we'd been denied Dominic team can Stan Wawrinka yes I'm pronouncing it will rinker apparently we've been pronouncing his name wrong for the past fifteen years so I'm just GonNa keep saying it correctly and over to try and make amends usual issues go planning. To balance it. It turns out Andy Murray was getting it right all along I can't believe we ever him. So Christian Garin denied us. Worrying were rinker against team because he got the better rinker dominic team defending champions Dylan Novak Djokovic. Won His first round match against Philip Crianlarich which means that Jovic secured the year end number one ranking for a sixth time in his career provided. Big Caveat here that Rafael Nidal doesn't enter. To, play the tournament in S- affair which. I hope I'm not speaking out of term when I say I think is Unlikely although he has confirmed intends to play Paris and London which is also unexpected. So who knows Sophia don't get your hopes up but stranger things have happened? We had a couple of stories break in the past forty, eight hours of the court, both of them. Surrounding Alexander is very of both of them coming as. A real shock and surprise. To the tennis world, the first of them the needs that his ex girlfriend Brenda. PETYA and I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly is expecting a baby we understand sh-. She's expecting Alexander's Verbs babies. She's festival. There was news grandpar- she subsequently. Done an interview in Germany where she's she's stated that she won't be seeking. Joint Custody but as as his welcome to be. involved. With raising the child if he should, which we have got a statement from Alexander verve that's come out. This evening other share with you in just a moment but that statement also covers. The second storey which is broken stay regarding Zverev, which is rather distressing. It is an accusation of domestic violence from his former girlfriend. Sharp over he many news outlets including the Telegraph and the Daily Mail UK a reporting on she was in a relationship with Alexander's verve. Until last year, she claims he hit her head against the wall and tried to strangle her. which oversee hugely hugely Distressing a thing to hear We have had a statement from verve as said, just just in the last half hour say and it reads thus the last days were quite challenging for me. I will be a father at age twenty three and I'm very much looking forward to the child even they Lebron I longer together we have a good relationship and I will live up to my responsibility as a father. Together we will take care of the little person that is about to grow. I don't want to say more in public about this private subject. I'm sure that Brenda and I can manage it without the media involved. Then there are the unfounded accusations of my ex girlfriend Olga, Sharapova, which I read in the media today, they made me very sad. We've known each other since we were children and shed many experiences together. I very much regret that she makes such statements because the accusations is simply not true. We had a relationship, but it ended a long time ago why older is making these accusations now I just don't name I really hope that the tourists will find a way to do each other again and reasonable under spiteful way. So that is where we're at with that story. I don't know if they'll be any any further developments. So obviously something that is. Really, made the the tennis sports news world sit up and pay attention as and when there is news and developments we will. We will keep you across them but That's obviously hugely distressing story to read and hear about. But I'm. Yeah we GONNA move on TV slightly happier will hopefully happier topics it depends. What? Comes out in the bag of questions doesn't it? He's been sending in your questions in there I want to say dozens. Dozens feel right. Matt can you say hundreds if it's over one hundred but less than two hundred? I think he can I think it needs to be moment two hundred. Dozen citizens drew. What about drones singing Joy uses a a nonspecific. Large. Say Thank you droves of questions. The overall quality has been extremely high and we've had to have a very stringent selection process. So many apologies if your question hasn't made the cut and we will, of course, be doing future any questions show. So you they'll be other chances fee to get your questions answered. I mean we've we've agreed amongst ourselves to do about four thousand podcasts between now and the end of the IT. So I'm sure they'll be other any questions, shays popping up but. We're going to start I'm going to I'm going to find some questions I evokes. Grady. So we're going to start with a nice easy one comes Moina, this came in on instagram. It is who is the best at tennis and I assume Monet's means out of Matt David and Catherine and not out of people in the world because the answer to that is at the moment Novak Djokovic. So if you're talking about Myself Matt and David I'm going to say Matt. Year, but it depends on the ear it isn't it? Are we talking, right. In nineteen eighty better. Tennyson Iowa's David. Yes. Correct. But if we were to go back just a few years, for instance, I mean. Peak. Ways, the window when you. I think it might peak. I might have a decent game against Matt. When will your Peak Catherine? Pre back. Yeah. Over say, well, can I mean Catholics played against me in twenty fourteen in December. Twenty fourteen and. Yet when we play a ten point time. Twice. Twice. Because I. I I needed Hawkeye ready to to come into to play. My life filed me on a particular line call and I caught some Gra Actually I having I'm the only one who's played both of you. I would say so I paid twenty fourteen. Catherine, have you been much better than you were in that sort of time Definitely, that was not my best and I will concede reluctant David that probably wasn't you at your best. To think given my memories of that day that was neither of us. Banks. I mean, there's no question. You would both rush me if you're playing well either one of you because because I'm not really been. Self. taught radio had a couple of lessons but I am a hacker really. You know what I'm doing side. I would like to see a match between the two of you. If you both plays you best because you've got you've. Got Strokes that I sort of look at and they look they look proper strikes. You know that's the difference I will try and re peak. If you can just maintain your peak all to to re summit mine I'm going to save you hear because you can't say yourself but I know, I, know you what to say to yourself. Well as. You play but I do think I'm better than David. Still outlets have remastered you. Touch on that artificial grass service that you refused clown. and. Would meet my solihull Simon. Beating best doesn't the belt holder. Set the conditions for the next match. No. If I. Doria each for the last one. I've got no injuries. Let's let's. Let's get it on to I haven't played since then. Right. Well Tamara David's been thrashed by his kids on a regular basis, right? Fourteen years. The, next question comes in from Russ McLeod, he's a regular listener. Of and crew contributed to the he says, would either tool benefit from an FA cup style in non seeded draw. A. Thousand Times. Yes Ross. Pro? Not. Every tournament I mean just as a novelty one tournaments. Thing one hundred percents I'd love that. Where where should that happen I mean I I think that should definitely happen the in wti finals. I don't initiate should be. Absolutely, Yes degree with that. The the issue is that tournaments would never support it because they they want to system that guarantees or guarantees but likely secures them that big names. Longer into the tournament doesn't it? They don't want to increase the risk that Roger, Federer loses early. Say. I think it's unlikely happen for that reason, the plays with the most power or the top ranked players they wouldn't wants it. So as much as I think, it's a no brainer in terms of entertainment and. The The spectator would enjoy I can't unfortunately say it ever happening. Ross drawn a distinction there or maybe a distinction between the different tools would either talk benefit. Is it possible that the way the tools quite different at the moment where the men's we've got a a group of dominant players. I actually think the way tournaments scheduled at the moment for years has benefited that style in terms of ensuring that most likely, the best players are going to meet. In the later rounds, the high state matches when most people are watching so I think for the. For the good of tennis. If he liked the drools have had seats and Djokovic doll veterinary have met each other late in tournament but. I don't know when it's more open like we've seen in the women's game more recently perhaps that would favor this bit more but then I'm I'm kind of thinking you've already got that a little bit seeds, a kind of relevant in. When it so and I think that's what we like so much about women's grand. Sam's is that the first week so many matches feel. Relevant to the outcome of the tournament which hasn't happened in men's tennis for Awhile I would say you get matches where you just Kinda know that. Really got a chance of winning this tournament. In the women's game so many players go to chances I suppose this is an argument in favor of not having seats that you could get more matches like that early on at the start of an event his where I think the the the I don't agree Catherine. The tournament should feel that they are letting go of their selling points to me. It is a selling point on its own. Degree either I just think. That resistance would be encountered in interest surprise. You know at a time when you've got people just trying to almost reinvent the game and going. In my opinion way too far like. UTSA and things like that and. Why not just have what is really quite a subtle change but a fantastic selling point of difference to say we are we are the gloves off. So we are the ham break is off this this tournament. There's no there's none of that. There's no protecting seeds of players of rankings you're in the draw you come out your play match start whingeing in what a brilliant selling point that would be. that it would rely on an sign up from big players because the novelty doesn't really apply. If you've got to play that wouldn't be high seeds tournaments anyway. And I I think they would they would be put off that rather play. You know if there were another tournament available that week and I think. Masters. something. Needs to be the obligatory mandatory or need have massive money behind it to pay guarantees just feel at Thanksgiving to see so many tournaments that have come along platforms and over the last year, including all the team events and yet. So many of them are just basically the same tournaments they're just cold something different. So a different way or in a different city, you could just really do something if you if you might the effort and just decided, we're gonNA market this and. Miami Indian Wells everybody's banging on about our wonderful. As well, Miami's the anything goes tournament. Somebody do come on we've done the big sell snow. No brainer. You make sure the ATP finals and the WNBA finals I don't like round robin in tennis I mean I, really like it in anything but I know it's a selling point for the tournament in that they can guarantee plays being in the drawer for certain amount of time and kind of setting sessions in advance people know they're. Going to see the best players but I've always thought the tennis works best when it's just straight knock out and I personally would like to see the year end finals have a different format just from a viewing perspective. I've just think something needs to be done to sightly shake them up, make them me more interesting and There's does very little I wouldn't do in order to eliminate dead rubbers. From Round Robin Events. Top. Sixteen knockouts no seats. Yeah it's just so counted to everything. That's. Wonderful. About Sport feels like my sporting solis dying. When I'm watching it did show as league in football when the have those group stages the tightened enough to yourself until they get into the knockout stages Yeah. Yes to to to a degree exposure. Anyway we've gone beyond a brief there and generally Generally established are we think the tennis world should be say take notice everyone Beth Forton on instagram says since he traveled a lot. Not, necessarily, very current comment but yes, Beth. Since you travel a lot worse travel stories and best travel tips. Who would like to go first on this one? Well, I don't know. I mean I was I obviously haven't traveled as much as you to my tip tends to be to try and avoid disasters just just because I'm timorous and. Write about things going wrong with the time I tend to be highly organized and have Saudi. Dowell travel stories I think and trips. I've not really experienced steady major disasters but I know for you have. So I will happily see the flu for lack of preparation diligence and yes matt. The implication that to only befalls the unprepared is I resent that. I get to the airport three hours. Early Person Are you? Yes. Okay. Surprise on his face. I am genuinely surprised by that. Right. Usually custody of the tension. Of any been late for flight once and it was. I was with my dad and we were flying home from the US Open and they actually. Shut check in like a minute early. and. So. We weren't able to check in, but technically, it was their fault we upgraded to first class and it was the best eight hours of my life. They brought a dessert trolley round and I said, can I have one of everything? I was like MacAulay Kokin in. Home Elaine to lost in New York. Splendid I had my enormous tennis ball which I'd got signed by Bunch of Tennis bezos wearing a Hoodie had this was tennis ball under my arm and I sat there in First Class. Just having in little bit of every dessert. Was this two thousand. That I was late for that flight. Sorry. Yes, two, thousand and full. I had a missed connection at ally I missed flight once having just got there in plenty of time going through the the the bank check in go through the other side. My headphones on didn't sit near a screen. And just saw. Close here, my fm just have a listen to the head hurts somebody got up and saying your flights leaving thought I. Remember Thinking Oh that'd be our position to be. Any more of a and a few minutes sites Cindy realized that been calling my name. I just went outling towards the what I mean. The plane and and it turned out it was me and I missed the flight did you make missed it to Bangalore? So that wasn't very good when I was in my early years I let my lesson but I've had a couple of others I had one chance one time I went to Australia and I mean, this was three flights to get from where we are vied to buy and Singapore and the flat to do by was at arrand light because of bad weather in Birmingham, where I was taking off from and as a result of that, I, then missed the connection to Singapore. And the the only way around I can't remember how ended up I ended up going to Melbourne and Sydney as well, and by the time I done all that the whole trip was. Well over forty hours. And Yeah. That was that was pretty grim. Is Supposed to be twenty, twenty, two or something and ended up being over forty. So that was that was great and then there was the one when I was. In my second year with the pay and I was at a tone of Switzerland one that Roach Federal Fest, played in English Dodd in Switzerland. Yes the cow on where we go given a cow and there was there was writing. For five days literally for five days with no play asshole. So they get to Friday and the stood in the first round and the next week I've told them in Tin Croatia. Which I'm supposed to be there on Saturday for and yet I'm still there on Friday pacifist round yet. So I'm having to stay on. and eventually got to the tournament in Croatia on the on the Wednesday and the Sonum it started on the Monday crew So had to wait for this thing to finish. And then between. The Winston, the final met my wife. Ended the. Next few days with A. So. What can I say? I I think most of my horror. Travel stores. Thirty Horrid, character-building travel stories. Centered around my time on the ATP Champions Two when I worked for David sometimes look back on some of these memories and think did I did I really do that? Make, they will make me sound extremely adventurous. But of course, at the time, you'll just sit if. Going along with things I I got corentin in a hotel room in Chengdu was writing for. Trump stories. Yet, Chengdu is not an epic time in my life I did subsequently returns Changji. Eventually to see the panders So I have had a positive Chengdu experience since then but my first trip there was pretty scarring. Sort of just doomed from the the word go you the flight was cancelled and then I missed my connecting flight and then. I go there in was ill and ended up corentin in this hotel room and then the return flight was. delayed G to horrendous smoke sat on the tarmac it. Air Port for about eight hours with no air conditioning. Then we were told to disembark the plane and Chengdu apple only had holes in the ground for toilets. And if this is the same trip where I ended up in a in a one still. Beijing airport. Hotel, with you've gained Kafelnikov Thomas Enquist. And Sergio Bouquet. Toes one. No that was in Mellon. That was ATP champion's tour Milan probably around about twenty four team where there were a couple of mosquitoes trapped in my well, actually, there were a lot more than that I killed most of them. During a period of several hours in the middle of the night just in a frenzy. In my pajamas on the mattress just trying to. Catch. Mosquitoes and Anyway. I couldn't catch the ball. ended up with I. Think. More. THAN THIRTY MOSQUITO BITES about my person complained to reception numerous times and they sent a maintenance guy he walked in the room and Oh. Yeah. Mosquitoes and walked out. anyway in the end they they said they couldn't possibly move move my ream case they were completely full so. I thought I. had actually lost my mind because I was I went to myself in the bathroom and I could hear mosquitoes buzzing in my as in the Mosquitos following me wherever I went. So I picked up my pillow and I took myself down says and I lay down on this sort of Sh- as long in the lobby and said, well, if you can't find me a room without flesh-eating insects than I shall sleep here and Lo, and behold A. Every materialized quickly because nobody wants to sort of semi dress, Gasser Metzger sleep in the lobby. Say you'll say got detained by the Ash cloud got stranded ball Selena. And had to had to drive from boss Selena not. Over the French border ended up in palliative stayed overnight at a winery in Montpelier. Thank you. ATP Champions Tool. That was great. Then hired another car Ramon Pele drove it up to Paris. Where in Paris, just about managed to get a Eurostar despite just horrendous queues because everybody is. Trying to get home because there were no flights anywhere. ooh and. Trip to Santiago. In Chile Great City effort I I think it was the last of A. Of quite a lot of long-haul trips and none of my -ployees to, get upgraded. There was no low that I wouldn't stoop to try and get upgraded from economy is nothing is depressing than sort of bumping into to pat cash in the. Boarding and then watching him turn left turn right. Yeah. So I'd had my fill of that. So I thought right this time did a bit googling about ways the upgrades anyway. I wore a splint under sling on my right arm. Catherine. The. Didn't what? Would check in thinking this is My side face didn't work with a keep it on. I'll keep it on because they can still upgrade you at the gate the most pathetic face at the gate. Didn't think that all the way through because I didn't get upgraded at the gate, but then you can't remove it straight away. So had to board the aircraft wearing the sling and the splint but then all the then all of the crew have seen me in the sling this anyway. Thirteen hour flight to Santiago had to keep the splint and the slang on all the way in order to. Save face and it was really itchy and uncomfortable so. So. I had my come up is yeah. That is the universe getting you back but I think go home. Matt, can you? She's still talks to me. And I sent her. Trips she was working for me. If you ever wonder why there's about attention. It was great. Of the character building. So let's to question no three questions with thirty minutes thirty minutes in Gosh. Doing four thousand podcasts between now and the end of the year. Hi Everyone I'm Jen and I'm jess or the host of the beauty podcast fat mess care here to tell you about strive becton's new super see retinol brighton correct vitamin C serum. We often interview dermatologist on our podcast in two of their favorites getting cure ingredients to recommend retinol vitamin C. 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No. But that's why I kind of think if if there could be a consultant that his dad was okay with somebody who could because the other thing is I really dance and there's much wrong with sits surpasses game as it is. There's a COUPLA tweaks it seems to me technically he needs to. Smooth out a couple of things I don't know how does jobs are the served one that requires the footwork miracles it. And the back in return particularly against the big servers and the use of a slice and just just how best to go about handling his his own backhand. But. and. I. Don't know how big those jobs are ready. I don't know whether it's sort of right employ somebody for two months in an off-season just sought it or whether it's somebody you've got to have around the time. I don't think mentally he's got. On the court a big problem or anything like that. I mean yes. There was that worry over losing those big leads and shanking that sort of thing but his French Open was good. So I kind of think you'll probably work through those things I think if you took his data why? He would be depressed. He wouldn't want to be. It wouldn't. WanNa. Do it. I. Always Find Questions about who should be someone's coach really hard at so interesting but the so much that goes into a coaching dynamic I. Think you so many. Coaching relationships not last very long because. So much of it is about personal chemistry in connection rather than necessarily what they're actually telling you about tennis I think. I think people do often say that tennis coach is a bit like you know the role is a bit like being a parent in a way that what your what your aim is that they can do it without you. I. Suppose because you're not able to help them on the call and I, do wonder with sit surpasses dad I completely agree with you David I, think he tried that one week didn't they without him in enroll my thing can. Yeah he was. He was close to break down I think by the end of that not having his data around but perhaps recognition that something needs to change or something could change needs to come from the dead. He might be the one who needs to say I. Still think my voice is important but I think you need another voice I think there's something that I can't give you that someone else would be able to give you and Maybe. It's not about completely removing that voice altogether, but bringing in someone else or. I don't know I. I think there is a way that someone could come in and the debt could still remain a crucial part of it but I'm not sure who's going to be the catalyst of that change whether it's Stephanos or the Dad I. Just I don't know I. Think my my hunch is that it might in the end have to come. From the data I think actually these various debt has has has done that in in terms of. Letting Alexander have other coaches. He he used to be way more involved than he is. Now he's still there, but he's not as big a presence as he was and I dunno whether sit surpassed might have a similar evolution. I do when you saying they're about the. Technical Stuff David, I'm in the same boat as you in terms of not knowing. How How big those tweaks on how long they might take to correct but in terms of the technical side of Magnus Norman Sprung to mind having. Having. Done so much good number rinker in that respect that chip can return I think is is the one area of the sits passes is lacking for me. To freeze knee Americans yeah. Absolutely, and I can I can seem fitting into a system where there is somebody else significant on the same such as Apostolos But there's also a part of me thinks that sort of kind of aside from Tennessee. Needs somebody that autry loses or doesn't quite plays best just. Put into perspective bit for him and I don't mean that to sound. Almost one of the things I like so much about sits pass is his lack of perspective sometimes the fact that it is completely life and death to him. But equally a D think it would be beneficial if e Kit have somebody traveling with him, just take him out for bare of his lost or. Just help him with the lighter side of things in in maybe. Follow the lead mentoring role. I mean Marcus by data's obviously the one that springs to mind cause we know that they have a really close. Pre existing relationship by is had a bit of a foray into coaching with switch Alina ups not. Not, a successful one but I still think for the right player, he has the potential to be. To be really good coach and he's such a laid back guy and easy to get along with again I think he could mesh with an existing. With an existing sets up. but it is going to be interesting how the sits pass the city. Posse. As Mary Carillo Cools how that. Evolves over time it's going to be really interesting We have a question from Ryan Lennon on twitter who are six. If you could change one Wimbledon tradition, what would it be and why Matt? Well. There are that I would want to change. I. Think one is the the wording of all white I think that's been a regression I think it was better when it was predominantly white and I think even allowing color I think would be better than what we currently have with the white for various reasons and. Secondly I would slightly restructure the tournament I think the only. Grand Slam, which doesn't make good enough use of the weekends I think that's that's when more people can watch and I think it's a shame that they only use three. Weekend days in tournament because they have the Sunday off I understand why they have to have the Sunday off I used to hate middle Sunday as a Fan I now incidentally love it. But obviously, they need preferably to have a day off. So the the grass can. Heal and be more pliable in the second week I understand they're sort of reasons for that. So I guess I would slightly restructure to maybe start on a Sunday. A bit like the show and I don't know what I sure. Wimbledon. Wouldn't want to do that. Probably start on Sunday play in a play a full week including the middle weekend Saturday and Sunday and have the day off on the Monday now, that would indicate manic Monday as a thing that would no longer be. A day that would happen all around falls on the same day because you'd have, you'd have time to fill them in over two days the other slams but. Again, my my view on that has probably changed as well. I used to absolutely love that day. Now I think I think I miss too much on that. That is too much great tennis on So those two I would do include more weekends and change the old white clothing policy. If the reason for middle Sunday is solely the healing loved loved that words Matt The gross. The spirituals and Schule sexual healing of the growth at Wimbledon. There are ways to do that and not miss a whole day. You have a rotation system if follow courts over the course of save the Friday to Monday can you could have a how many others you could have four four or five fallow quotes on each of those days ratings the each each court had one day of healing. Roughly Midway through three, the tournament and then. In terms of the spectator TV wise and mostly. Visit to wise you, you wouldn't miss that much and you would have a full two weeks tennis in full two weekends if tennis. A crop rotation system like in medieval agriculture. What could be more traditional? How do you feel about a day off though in a in the middle of a slam. selfishly, love it but. From the outside ludicrous. Do you think I if they could get away with it with the courts I would get rid of it now. Because, yeah, I would I would I I I feel like I agree I them the Monday is. A mess really although it's it's exciting. It's too much. It's too much all at once and you can't save. Enough for the moment and I wanna see that spread out a little bit more personally. and yet obviously, I love it from a working perspective but that's that's irrelevant. Really the the old white rule. I'm sort of nostalgic for some of the incredible designs of the eighties that ice and love on the added Hachette's in particular at Wimbledon, things that Edberg and lend lease to wear. Things that I wanted to which I'm quite sure I'd. Be that I about owning justin all whites. Branded just with a logo on it shirt of of Nidal Federa Murray whoever it is because. Pretty much. It's this anything you can do it. At the same time from. Perspective as a brand that's so strong just being. Old White I think is the biggest problem is. The. Is the the the lack of consideration for? Periods in that role. Is is definitely a an issue. But I think maybe that nostalgia I have for those predominantly old white designs of the is overlooks the the number of horace that we're all set accompanying. Lovely. Wonderful One offs that that I remember because there were so many polling designs. That it was no, it was no great. The the other thing I wanted to do is ask you you know that I still like queuing for instance, now that that things may change because of covid nineteen for the future now import sure it will have to change for say next year but. Just quickly, we'VE CATHERINE YOU and I've talked about this at some length in previous shows but would you? Yes Oh no ditch the kid. Yes I don't think it's fair ridiculous. Well. Yeah. I think it's it's an absolute. Tremendous work of PR and I don't I don't mean that is a slight really do think it's a tremendous woke of PR that the Q. Is this celebrated thing but I think actually. Once, he dig dig down into it. It's it's a little bit sinister. I don't think you should have to sleep rough. To obtain tickets to. To one of two one of the best and most important sporting events in the country I would also add to that Kids Day. I think kids day is essential and a no brainer Wimbledon it's the only. Grand Slam that doesn't have one I know why it doesn't have one snow in keeping with with the brand use of the gross in advance of the tournament starting. You know they don't hold the qualifying at Wimbledon but I think those are all things that can be worked around I think find solutions to these problems and have a kids day becuse closest to that. So they know and they. Ought. Kids activities on site just not. Big Fat, kids do we've see have seen an I hate the experience of being there but I've seen the power if these kids stays the look, the look in these kids is at the thinking tennis is just the coolest. And Yeah. I, think that's an old brainer. You mentioned there about the courts not being able to be used before the tournament starts that kind of thing. Well, I do think when they do have the land across. Across the road I think they can really get creative with it and I think they will all the elements of redesign of the Wimbledon grounds have been amazing over the last few years and I think once they've got that they've got so much more space. That's the thing. Wimbledon Lumberton has the luxury of options and and money to implement these options in and to do it well, and in keeping with the traditions because they have always. Nailed the embracing change whenever they've taken that step to make changes. In keeping with that tradition, they've always nailed it. So I would. I would trust them to to do all this right if they would just take the step of actually doing it and I also believe I pretty sure. I read something that they were considering relaxing the all white clothing policy this year. Obviously, it didn't women didn't happen but I'm not sure how far they will go with that but I think something to look out for next year that might be a subtle change. Yes. To me if it will one thing, it would be the white clothing policy. I feel very strongly about it I. I accept the IT'S A. It's an incredibly strong element of Wimbledon's brand. I don't deny that I'm sure they consider that to be of great value I don't really care. I think. I think it's extraordinary. That women are made to do physical activity in all white walls menstruating I think that's Unreal when you really break it down and. I think that rule in the first place. Would have been put into place by someone that's never menstruate rated and it's perpetuated by virtue of tradition. And this is. Again. It's a fantastic work of work of pr but I think it's unacceptable. Burleson okay. So that's about seven things. Each of us would change about Wimbledon, the question any asked for one, but you're welcome Ryan fewer you'll bonus balls there. What else do we have hair mccarter on twitter? US has the Trend Tribal Listrik Fan supportive players always been a thing or is it a relatively new phenomenon brought about by social media and how detrimental is it to the game? David you've recently. Not recently you have consistently. And repeatedly got on the wrong side of vehement twitter fan support of various tennis players. What's your take on this question? My favorite one was winning the same day I had notes from Djokovic. Federer, and the Dow fans telling me how polling the I treat their specific flight. I really enjoyed that one. There was a message on our instagram this week saying. I see Catherine is picked sits a pass to win Vienna in the newsletter. It's usually David that picks it to pass things I'm surprised that sits upon that Katherine who usually never picks it passes picks it surpassed and shame on Matt for never ever since. I, mean look I'm quite. A people used to support players and they used to be fantastic divides all of. I remember being very the Bulgar McEnroe fat I. Remember those years I remember in in in Australia in the ideas that I discovered the Australian. Open. The incredible suppose Suedes and the chanting that went on between rival support groups but. You just want. I. Just don't feel that unless you're in a tennis stadium, you went radio aware of of people's fandom. That's the difference. Yes, the I'm sure journalists got sent letters when they wrote about a player or something like that. But it's just this. This freedom of an opinion isn't it is freedom of of being say whatever you like whenever you lie on social media whenever it occurs to fire it off, make sure unless that blocked to make sure the person you're directing it towards rates IT and has it right in front of the face immediately And? It it just it just ends up self-perpetuating as a result of that. So I do feel like. The the tribal element in tennis certainly is Is largely a result of of social media I do feel I mean I think it's brought about initially by very strong ties to apply, of note, and these players have been around for a long time. So people have got enough time to build those real affiliations, stick with them, and then go at each other as a result. But the way that it kind of gets out of hand I think is a social media element and. I mean. I do feel I've wanted to remove myself from it compared to what I used to feel like i. it bothers me now much much more than it used to. Think. Passionate support is is a good thing is I wouldn't I wouldn't say it is. Detrimental to the game I think it's but I think it can easily tip from passionate support into abuse I think on Social Media I. The main issue I have with social media in tennis is the way that. which seen quite a lot applies be open about the messages they receive just just from. Losing a match that someone that then to win I mean that. The sport is doing something to to combat that into expose the people who do send those messages but. I think in terms of fan support on. Social Media I think one of the shames for me is. Any kind of discussion about federal dollars. Jackovitch ends up kind of PAS on from the other set of fan basis and that's a shame. I think it's weighed how that's happened. When you consider the actual people, they're supporting who have not conducted themselves like that. But I, think it says more about social media and it does. but it's interesting that you think it's bigger. Now, this this idea of fan support because of social media and I suppose that does make sense. May just be a perception thing though because I can see it, I can't you can turn a blind eye. But if you want to be involved in a conversation and comments about some about a tennis match, the tennis player, you've got to accept that you you You're out there to be piled on if. If you say something that is against. A, fan basis player. It can't just be -CEPTION, they can it because there are things that people say on social media that they simply. Wouldn't say in real life wouldn't have opportunity to because there'd be no one to listen to them. I wouldn't have. I don't I wouldn't have wouldn't have platform more all audience for. I. Mean I do think. I am insti