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Ep 74 Educator and Author Jessica Lahey

Midlife Mixtape

40:12 min | 9 months ago

Ep 74 Educator and Author Jessica Lahey

"I hate to use the cliche term life on learning. But Oh my gosh thank goodness for lifelong learning. Because you get to do some really cool things. If you view life that way and welcomed Midlife. Mix tape the podcast. I'm Nancy Davis Co and we're here to talk about. The years became being hip and breaking one. We do belong to here and taking slung weam. I wanted to start today. Show with shout to the what fresh hell podcast hosted by. Amy Wilson and Margaret Abel's. They're both comedians and mom's of three but that's where the similarities end Margaret's laid back to the Maxwell Amy loves lists research and planning ahead and their podcast is great but the I'm giving them a shout at right now is because they are putting out some excellent pandemic content on their facebook page. What fresh hell. Facebook page like their recent video. What we say now. We say things like take off your nighttime sweatpants and put on your daytime sweatpants and you know what I can't on Friday. Because I have to do Zuma some kids I went to camp with Beck in nineteen eighty six. What fresh hell the podcast on the facebook page? Check it out. Hi and welcome to the life. Mix Tape podcast. I'm your host. Nancy and I'm glad you're joining me today. This gives you a little something different to think about on a Tuesday or as I like to call all the days now blur I realized that most of the episodes I've recorded during the pandemic are running a few minutes longer than my usual episodes. I hope that works for you. Guys I find that I have the chance to talk to someone to whom not related. I don't want the discussion to stop so I've been letting them run a little bit long. My guest today is educator and Author Jessica Lahey Over Twenty Years Jessica has taught every grade from six to twelve in both public and private schools. She writes about education parenting and child welfare for the Atlantic Vermont. Public Radio The Washington Post and the New York Times. And she's the author of the New York Times bestselling book the gift of failure. How the best parents learn to let go so their children can succeed. Jessica's second book the addiction inoculation raising healthy kids in a culture of dependence will be released April twenty twenty one. When we're finally outside again together with Co Host Caja del Antonio who you may remember from episode forty one of this podcast just hosts the Hashtag am writing podcast which is an incredible resource for writers. And you can find out more about all her work at Jessica Lahey Dot Com just knows all about the good that can come out of experiencing failure and I thought her perspective might be the kind of encouragement. We need right now because outside seems like a failure to me. I don't know about you guys. Maybe you're thriving where you are but there's a lot of challenges by the way this might be the favourite ending. I've ever had to a podcast interview so make sure you tune in all the way to the end. Okay come on class settle down. Let's listen to teacher. Lahey so I am here today with my friend. Just Lahey and I'm so glad to welcome you to the mid-life mix tape podcast. Jess. I am so happy to be on the MIDLIFE. Mix Tape podcast to have many things to discuss but we always start to ask the most important question right. Was Your first concert. And what were the circumstances is actually? I'm not sure what the exact first one was. Because I was very lucky as a kid my parents friend was a Rhody for a bunch of different people and so I got to go when I went to concerts. Not only did I get to sit in the family and friends section but I got to hang out backstage after it so like I remember doing cartwheels down the hall backstage at a budget. Billy Joel Concerts. Because he was ready for Billy Joel for longtime a Billy. Joel was probably one of my first. Billy Joel has a very special place in my heart because of all the concerts. I got to go to as a kid television where you live now. I'm in Vermont now. And we live up near Burlington Vermont. I was in New Hampshire before this for about ten years but I grew up in Massachusetts. So you theoretically have access to concerts in Burlington when they come back. So what's the average that you hope will come back through when they all start touring again? Here's the thing I don't go to a ton of concerts now. I did go to really cool thing so a friend of mine. Someone I've known. Since she was born married this guy his name his show business name is MC Yogi and he does. He's also a yoga. They're both yoga instructors but he is has a huge following in that community for his hip hop rap. Yogi Cross cultural whatever so when you go see him and you do his yoga class he is also performing and I went with my son. Who's also a fan of his last summer at Wanderlust? We went to go see him. And it's so much fun because you're doing this yoga class and he. It's like a hip hop rap sort of situation. And it's a hoot. It's really really fun. So that was the last concert I went to and I would go any place he performs because he's so much fun to watch did not know there was a yoga subculture of hip hop legislated may well and now when. I go to a yoga studio anywhere and I have on like either. His Wife's art on my shirt. 'cause she's well known for her art she's known as ten thousand. Buddhas because she paints these murals of Buddha's all of the place or some of his We have a bunch of his shirts. people are like. Oh my Gosh I love him and so among Yoga teachers. It's like a big deal but yeah there is this whole yoga music subculture aright while we you know. We always feature a video in the show notes. So I'M GONNA put. Mc Yoga cool all right. So let's do the Cova check. And how are you and I have to give us a little background just husband. Tim Is an infectious diseases. Doc and you've done a huge service. I think by using your platform to have tim answer questions that we all have and so my first question for you is. Is it better or worse to be married to diseases doc? In this time like do you know too much? Yeah someone asked me that. Yesterday I was talking about that. His main role during this has not been as much the infectious disease as it has been his medical ethicist role because he's the head of Medical Clinical Medical Ethics at University of Vermont. So He's been sort of advising you know how the response will go and that has to do with things like resource allocation like if we run out of ventilators who gets them and who doesn't all of that stuff he has to make those decisions and so. I've sat in on every single day twice a day. They have this code incident response. Phone call and I sit in on it and listen to it and that's when sometimes I realized that it's really scary to know a lot of the details but at the same time the response has been so thoughtful and so well planned. They just care so much so from that perspective. It's really nice to know that the people who are running the response to this thing care so much so that when we're looking if we God forbid turn on the news and see what the National Federal Response has been. You can lose a lot of faith but when you're looking at the people who actually are on the ground dealing with day to day those people care so much that's helped me a lot. Will that helps me a lot and I imagine people listening to this. Feel the same way so you guys make sure that you're following just in social media because occasionally. I know if you're still planning to do this but I tuned in a couple of times when you talked with Tim and it was just really reassuring to hear someone who is so grounded in the science and the policy and all of that address address questions. So you know. We're all out there. Doing the finding from as a friend of mine said to me this morning. The real question who your sources where you had exactly law and the hard part about this is because it's evolving so quickly you know all of a sudden we hear. Well now you know. Kids are getting all of these blisters and red spots on their feet and that's brand new and no one knew that you know even around masks when all of a sudden it's been made the rule that masks. Everyone wears masks certain level. Tim's like okay. That's fine but there isn't great evidence showing that really helps and so you know at a certain point. You just have to say well. We don't know everything just trying to do. The best that we can do with a very rapidly evolving situation speaking of failure to understand everything hedge. Guay now one of my very favorite parenting books and I love the whole topic. I Love I mean. Obviously it will be writing but I just really appreciated that. You took this on. The books called the gift of failure. How the best parents learn to let go so that children can succeed. And we're going to talk about that in the context of the pandemic. But I wanted you to start by just kind of explaining what the book is what you hoped to do with that. And who is the audience? What was the reaction so I have been a teacher for over twenty years and at the time I was teaching middle school. And Oh my gosh. I love Middle School so much and you know middle school. Kids are just so amazing. Because they're still they're still willing to admit when they don't know everything in they're still willing to look to you for guidance and you're not completely jaded yet and it's just a kind of magical time so but increasingly these kids were really freaked out about making mistakes and they were so worried that if they didn't do everything perfectly that they were. GonNa let people down in that. They wouldn't have their parents and I would think less of them as their teacher and so I was getting really freaked out and as I'm very happy to say I was on a super high horse. Like I was really pissed off at the parents of my students for screwing their kids up and making it harder for me to do my job as an educator but then I had that moment where real stone is doing the same thing to my own kids because as I say in the book at the time I was teaching middle schoolers and I found out that I had a nine year old kid who couldn't tie his own shoes so I had to have that sort of like okay so I can't just be mad at the parents of my students and got to figure out how to help those students get back to a more get back to learning for the sake of learning and not just because they're so worried about their grades and then I also had to figure out how to undo the scripts. I made with my own kids and help them be more competent and an innovative in and know how to handle problems when they come up and so for both of their sakes students my kids. I had to really figure this out. Look at the research on how kids learn and how kids are motivated and all of that stuff and figure out a way forward for both teachers and parents so the way publishing works is that your publisher sort of sees a clear path forward with the books that they're best able the market and my publisher who I am. I love my publisher. I I'm with Harpercollins Harper Books and I love my editor and it's just. It was easier for them to know how to market a parenting book. But I also knew that this was going to be an education book and that's been might speaking career has really taken off because of speaking at schools into educational organizations and so between the two of us you know parents and educators. I think I wrote it for both of them. I wrote it for myself. 'cause it was the book. I really wanted and couldn't find and that's over and over again when people say you know how do you? How do you know what to write about? The people will be interested in and I say I really. Don't I write about what I'm interested in whether that's writing at the Atlantic which is where I really got my start or Writing a column for Three Years The New York Times the stuff that tends to confuse me about parenting and education. I have to assume stuff. That's also confusing other people and hope that someone else finds it useful as well and they did find the gift of failure useful. It's good well. It's it's a really good book. It's one of those parenting books that you read and you go. Yes and then you think wait. Do I do this? I do this I better. I need to pay more attention to this. One of the reasons I wanted to have you on now is because so. Many listeners are trying to support their kids. Who are we can't call it home. Schooling does not high in there. You're doing distance learning. Everything's come about so quickly. Teachers didn't have time to plan for this adequately. It's it's like the whole thing is held together with string. Yeah and so. Here's my question though. Do you see that there are opportunities that you talk about the kinds of lessons. You want kids to learn. Is that happening by necessity because of the pandemic is there. So here's my Gig. I'm looking for a silver lining. Every day I am always like what is the thing I can find so I don't fall apart and cry so yes you have to realize that teachers. This is such a hard thing when when I Twitter is my jam. I love twitter and mainly because twitter is where the educators are as a profession teachers or one of the biggest users of twitter and so from my perspective twitter. Is this amazing place to be because it tends to be really supportive because I follow like a thousand teachers. It's fantastic and on twitter. She has justly heat at justly. And I love twitter for that and you can see if you go on and if you like me follow a lot of teachers. You can see that everyone's fuses a little bit short right now. Everyone wants to emphasize that teachers are doing the very best they can and teachers my God. They miss their students so much like all I see all day long is on doing my best and I feel like I'm failing my students because I can't hug them. I can't be right there in front of them What else can I do? And yet at the same time. These teachers have kids at home too. And so right you can come at this from a couple of different angles so my kids are older and my kids are completely in charge of their education. Unless something get super screwed up They don't need me Unless you know if your kids just although I have I have a high school kid and then obviously That I have a kid in college. So he's completely all over that stuff himself but the high school kid you know like the other day we were out hiking and all of a sudden he said and I said what. Oh you missed class. Didn't you? And he said yes. I Miss Checking in with my p. e. teacher and I'm like well were on a hike so I'm going to call that I'm going to call that a wash but every once in a while I have to sort of you know email and explain that. Sorry yeah he missed that class. A lot of schools are realizing my sound school in particular is realizing that it would be really horrible to penalize kids for especially where I am in Vermont for a lack of you know A wildfire the Internet at all. And so they're sort of they frozen grades to a certain extent so that kids can't their grades can't go down they can only go up so that's one great way that this is working and if you're in a place like that then see this as a huge opportunity to look at this as an opportunity for kids shoe start owning bear learning a little bit more. I mean if with really rich kid obvious really little kids. Obviously you've to help them with some of rescue to help them with for logging on and I was talking to a friend today. Whose Wifi is so tenuous that you know they have to sort of zoom and win that kind of thing but giving kids more leeway to handle this themselves can be really great because who knows. Maybe they're better at the technology than you are in the first place and you know the answer is no. I don't fully understand how you're doing that long division so I can't help you with that but the here's a great opportunity for you to email your teacher explain to your teacher or ask for Zoom meeting so the you can explain to your teacher what you're not understanding or what you do understanding where things are falling short and honestly right now. Everyone's I I I was gonNA say everyone's falling behind but where we are and whether that's behind. Her head is an arbitrary distinction that we as a culture make ourselves and everyone's in the same boat right now so it's not like your kids are falling behind because everyone's kids are in the same place so let's use this as an opportunity to get kids to be a little bit more independent with their schoolwork. The other wonderful thing is right now because everyone's home all the time and on top of each other kids can actually see what happens when they don't follow through with things like for example household duties if everyone leaves one bowl or cup replay out then all of a sudden by the end of the day. The kitchen looks like a nightmare and having those conversations can be really great because they can actually see the consequences of everyone leaving one thing out. They're not able to walk away or go off to school. And then you clean things up while they're off at school or whatever it all of the consequences hang around because no one's going anywhere so this has been a really cool opportunity and I've been getting emails quite a few years for parents saying you know. I'm just shocked. At How am I? Kid is handling Zoom stuff on their own or problem solving instead of fixing it for them. Say you know what's one way. You think you could handle that yourself. What's one way you think that you could Work that out with your teacher yourself. There are lots of silver linings and my favorite silver lining of all of this is. I wrote a piece for the Atlantic long time ago about the importance of having some patients and learning how to be what's called. What's there's this thing called self directed executive function? Which means that you. The kid comes up with the idea. And the planning and how to follow through as opposed to being so directed and led by the nose by their parent teacher and that ability to do this self directed executive function. This is a great time for them to come up with their own ideas come up with their own projects. Come up with something you're GonNa do. Outside of the House may be in the backyard. One of my kids is doing a class through a free program called core. Sarah You C. O. U. R. S. A. R. S. Thank you it's one of my clients. Do No no. I did not know that There's you can take courses for for free at at you know even Ivy League institutions so one of my happens to be really interested in musical production Musical production and so he is sort of. Auditing this class at Berkley. School of music that is doing. It's all about digital music production so I said why do you do take a class that you couldn't take in school right now? Do something different. And that's been the one of the wonderful things about that. Will you make a great point? There's there's no blueprint for how we're supposed to be operating right now and I'm doing the best we can exactly and I don't know if you guys are ozark watchers. I had to drop off after the first six. It was too intense but there was one line that I will take with me to my grave. Protect your tender ears if this is GonNa hurt them 'cause some profanity. I love when Ruth says I don't know shit about fuck. That is how I feel a lot of the time. I don't know shit about fucking this pandemic. I don't know what we're supposed to be doing. And if you have kids who hopefully didn't hear me say that they can't look to you for the answer because you don't know right either and seems i. I hadn't really thought about it that way but makes a lot of sense. What's been really interesting? Also because the college kid is home and the younger. My kids are five years apart and for a while. They're in the middle of teenage years. They didn't have a ton in common but now they're actually really getting to know each other in a way in a much deeper way and the older kid is Studying Economics and math and my younger kid finds the whole philosophy side economic philosophy stuff interesting so actually. My younger kids been learning from my older kid. They been watching youtube videos together. I'll go I'll be like what are you. What are you watching? They're like oh elector from Milton. Friedman I'm like sounds like fun. Come back to do some rap. I appreciate that your your kids are older minor as well Got To college kids and I have tried to talk with them a little bit. And I don't think anything is gonNA compare to what this generation of young people is facing in terms of challenges. But I've tried to let them know you know. When I got out of college there was there was an eighty eight. Black Friday had just happened in eighty seven and there were very few people interviewing on campus. When I got out of Grad school it was the middle of the first Gulf War again. Nobody was coming on campus to interview. And you're just trying to reflect to them like this this happens. Every generation has a challenge. And you know you go on you build a productive life despite that you. This is a temporary not permanent scenario and again going back to the themes of your book you know. I think it's a good opportunity for parents or older people to talk to the young people about the lives about the challenges that they've overcome so that these guys don't feel like that's the our generation is facing trouble like nobody has ever had you know nobody ever has. We're not going to get through this. I think it's incumbent on older people to give them a message. Like yeah it sucked for us. Maybe not exactly the same. You know not the same degree your scope. But you'll get past it and Ryan. This is these hardships are things you learn from. There's some really cool research that I talked about a little bit and gifted failure back from. There's some during the Great Depression. For example that showed that kids who were able to contribute in some way whether it's financially because they could bring in a little bit laundry or whatever or in helping out just on a daily Labor around the house kind of thing kids who are able to help out their families. During Times of trouble like during the Great Depression suffer fewer emotional consequences. Little less trauma emotionally from that. Serve those sort of hardships. If they feel like. They're helping their family pull together and be a part of helping support the family so there is something kids really do. Want to be useful and helpful and you know maybe not on a moment to moment basis but being made to feel use less is really taking away a lot from kids and the research is clear as the more kids feel useful than the less helpless. They feel the more they feel like. They've been called self efficacy. Which is that when they make decisions when they make take actions that those things will actually result in a change in their circumstances and so the more we help kids feel like they have self efficacy. The more we up to help them feel competent to the more. We help them feel like they're helping. Keep the family together the healthier everyone is going to be on the other end of this and it seems to me that as. Gen xers were given a lot of that self efficacy whether we wanted it or not you know with their parents at work and predominance of divorces for our generation or you know a lot of us were going between two household we were doing the whole latch key kid thing and. I wonder if you think there's anything about. Janek says a you know as a cohort that has prepared us for this moment. That gives us a little bit more. We're obviously being squished. We've got the parents and kids. Were trying to manage but at the same time. Maybe we're pretty well prepared. Yeah well I think one of the interesting things people ask me in interviews all the time how I was parented. Because they're thinking well maybe that'll give me some secret insight into you. Know the gift of failure Origin Story. But the big thing for me was that my parents trusted me to make good decisions. I always felt like yes. I was given a long leash. Yes you know I was off. I had a horses. I was often the woods some days that just had no idea. Where was all day long? And it wasn't so much that I was a latchkey kid. Although at times I was It was more about the fact that I knew they expected me to make good decisions that they trusted me and being trusted was huge to me because I really want to live up to that. Trust now that obviously you know all kids are different and sometimes they deserve trust and sometimes they don't but the faith that you feel like someone is trusting you to make decisions and to act up to a certain level at least in education realm. We know that makes kids rise to the level of the expectations on them. So for me. That was the big deal being trusted. There's one line that that really stood out to me in the book. As I was reading it I was thinking. She didn't write this for the pandemic. But there's some lessons in this. They're applicable and there's one line particularly wrote. We need to know that are suffering. Humiliation and pain will prove valuable in the final accounting. And I just thought that's pretty much how I feel right now. You know I just WanNa make sure that all this shelter staying at home wearing the mask all this stuff. We're doing that. We're not just going to go back to the way things were before that caused to get here. First place you know so and there's probably going to be a period of having to go backwards. I mean you know if we get a second if if Kobe gets a second bump if you know if local areas and many of them will get a second rise in the numbers and we may have to. We can open some things that have to close them temporarily. And that's going to be incredibly frustrating for kids. Especially if you think about how much control or what I like I like to refer to as autonomy if you think about how much autonomy kids generally have. It's really being squeezed out we. Have you know their over scheduled? And they we tell them where to be. And when and what colored a write in and everything and what to wear and then all of a sudden now you take all control away from them. They can't go to school. They can't see their friends. Can't you know there's all these things they can't do so for kids especially adolescents. Who are individual right? Now is a nightmare. Period and lack of control tends to make people feel helpless if you look at the research. That's sort of our default Goto response to long-term discomfort or help with our feelings of lack of control is to roll up in a ball and go helpless. It turns out the way to short circuit that according to Martin Seligman sort of father. Positive Psychology He did a big study on this the way to defuse the way to sort of break. That circuit of learned helplessness is to give control back. So right now might be a great time to give kids more autonomy. Give kids more control over the details of their lives because then they will feel less helpless and feel like they have at least a small opportunity to seize control during the time when we all feel so helpless so what does that look like China them. You're on you figure out your school stuff I mean. What do you figure out your school stuff? You know why people feel. It's so important for kids to have their rooms clean all the time. I've never really understood. Kids have so little autonomy over their Their environment that when we intrude on that environment by telling them that it has to look a certain way or be everything has to be sorta set up in a certain way that we're really intriguing on some of their space are rule in our houses that can't spill out into the hallway. You know little things like that. Y- homework is your responsibility and here are very clear. Expectations and here are the very clear consequences. If you don't get it done but you're old enough now that you really need to take some. Um have some responsibility for the things that should be your job and this is part of your responsibility or job in the book. Lay Out really clear. Ways to sort of make those expectations and consequences clear and Yeah natural consequences for things like you know if you don't hang your how homework and then you're responsible for zoom meeting where we both sit there and ask the teacher his or her opinion about how we can best support you in getting that stuff done but you're responsible for running that meeting because this is your stuff not ours and if your children have anything love like the level of zoom fatigue that. I do they will rather get their homework done and enduring normal circumstances and I've run and been present for many of these. I don't run them because the kid runs them but as a teacher. I've sat in on lots of these conferences. Where the kid is the one running the meeting? And they're the one who set it up and we're just there to support them but they have to. Do you know the brainstorming about how there can make things work better for them so on a pivot here because I love a good reinvention story of the good life reinvention story you worked in teaching the yeah you started and worked for how many years before you added writing to the portfolio. Well I always have writing in the portfolio. It's just that it hasn't been widely published writing. I started I started really publishing a lot of stuff when I'd been teaching for about fifteen years or so. It was twenty years by the time I finally left the classroom for the last time which was about a year and a half ago. So what has that process taught you about taking the long view not worrying what it takes a little while to get to your goal. I mean you obviously kept at it. The whole time But I just think of you as somebody who has been persistent. You're really I mean you just like you have a goal and you move toward it and I've always admired that about you. So what has that kind of process of doing the writing alongside the teaching and then eventually making the change taught you. You know I've had. I've been so fortunate to have a really windings. Zigzag career trajectory like a had the opportunity to lots of really cool things all things. I'm very grateful for you. Know I went to law school to do juvenile law. I was a speech writer for A. Us Governor I've done all kinds of stuff and that has all been all of that so whenever I talked to students. I'm like look this idea that you're supposed to know what you WANNA do. And how you're going to get there as hooey. Because I I didn't even know I wanted to be a teacher until I was twenty eight and that's been the thing that's really sustained me the longest but you worked in A. I've done a little and a little of that in the writing thing has been the through line but even more so I think the teaching is what the through line has been because even as a journalist I research things and then write about them for you know for anyone to understand and I think you gotta stick with the things that really feed you. Because if they're not feeding you than I. I don't know how you persist at those things and when people talk about you know oh I could write a book on the side of the other thing and the very first question has to be. Do you WANNA spend a couple of years almost exclusively thinking and talking about that thing because unless you do please don't bother because it writing is such a hard thing to make work. Even under the best of circumstances let alone get paid for it let alone you know if you're fortunate enough to have something that people want to pay you to come and talk about better like what you're working on. Well this is the part where I'm going to try to make you blush and share a story about you because on you have always know you are a role model to me in terms of how confident and patient and smart you are about your writing career and I have really watched as you. You know just methodically consistently help spread the word about your book. Your Super Professional. And here's the story. I'm GonNa tell so you know. My first book came out in December. The thank you project and in January and in January. I was on tour. It On Book tour which meant like three cities on the east coast and one of the including stop in my hometown and I knew I was going to get a lot of people out at this event and the way it works is that you know you read it a bookstore. You hope you saw a lot of books bookstore. That's that's what that's why you readings and because it was a hometown event I actually had arranged with a childhood friend to do it at his events. Space which is awesome. But then I had to find a book solid or come in and sell books there and I'm not gonNA name names but bookseller wouldn't commit wouldn't commit wooden commit and I'm meanwhile you know I'm getting personal commitments from friends in Rochester. That they're gonNA be there. I arranged a appearance on the morning TV show and then I arrived in Rochester. I was included in the paper as one of the top ten events to do this weekend. We'll doing book yeah. Bookseller left me hanging to the various two days beforehand when they said No. We can't spare the staff we we're not sending anybody over like so but this is what I did I was like do. I not sell books and then I thought to myself. Ww J. L. D. Lahey do and I'm like she would find him damn books and some people to sell them for her so I did. I ordered found books online. I hired a young relative of mine. I got myself a square. I figured out how to use the swear I taught relative and we saw thirty five books that night and I was like you know what no just I might have just done it and left and hope that people would go find the book on their own. But I'm just would make sure there were books for people to buy so thank you for being an exemplar in that regard. I have to say that's the main reason that we started the Shag. M writing. Podcast is that the learning curve in writing and selling books and marketing books and promoting books. And all the stuff that we have to get out into the world. All of that has such an amazing steep learning curve. So I've screwed up all of it absolutely all of it and so why on earth not have a podcast where I explained all the things I have screwed up so that you don't have to screw them up in the same way and there are ways to ensure that the book thing happens. But you can't know how to do that unless you've messed it up once or twice right well. I wanted to make sure we gave a shout out to. Hashtag am writing just host that together with ABC. Midlife MIX it. Yes Cade Gauge Ellen. Tony S. so I and I love it as a full of practical tips so I love the way that you are sharing your own expertise with younger. Writers older writers older than you just Like me and it's just you know I think another way in which you're taking the experience that you have and making it accessible to other people which is something we can all do regardless of the field that we're in well in that's how I learned it because I had other writers who had made all the mistakes and helped me when I was for starting out so I just try to push that forward. Keep it going or baby. Pay It forward and now you're working on a new book. That'S COMING OUT APRIL. Twenty twenty one. You want to tell us about that yet. So it's in copy at its right. Now Woo Hoo. My desk at the moment is out of my control. I've seen a little bit of cover art and we went back for a second round so it's called the addiction inoculation raising healthy kids in a culture of dependence. It is about the fact that I am in recovery from I'm an alcoholic and I have almost seven years recovery. I'm raising two kids. Who have a very long line of addicts alcoholics in their Family Tree on both sides of the family and so from my perspective as a parent of kids with sort of that genetic predisposition and also as the teacher of kids who are addicted. What can we control? And what can we not? What can we do to prevent substance abuse in kids? You know what's out of our control so that that was the book I needed and couldn't find again writing. You know the thing that I just WanNa know. I wanted to do the research and see where we are right now with substance abuse prevention and it turns out. We're in a pretty good place. Substance Abuse Really is preventable Get it just right. So that's been working on that for the past couple of years all right just last question. What one piece of advice you have for people younger than you or do you wish you could go back and tell yourself just to have patients. Life is a constant process of learning and there are so many things I have done for example paying tuition to go to law school. That technically aren't benefiting me in a real practical way every single day but absolutely do benefit me in terms of the way. I think in the way I sort of move through material in the way I write have patients that process because this is not about getting the perfect job the minute you graduate from college or the mini. Get Out of high school. This is about. I hate to use the cliche term life on learning. But Oh my gosh thank goodness for life long learning because you get to do some really cool things if you view life that way. There's so much research that show better outcomes for people as they age if they're continuing to learn new things I had chip Conley on the show. Who is the founder of the modern elder Kademi and they touch learning to surf in his fifties and with his dad and his his in his eighties. And maybe we should all go on core Sarah and pick something to get good at by the time pandemics over besides eating. I'm very good at eating thr. I went back and took Algebra. I took Algebra in my forties because I had been told as a middle schooler that I wasn't very good at math and I believed that and that you know ruled the way I reacted to math so in my forties went back and retook it with my kid and my students and it turns out. I am good at math. Thank you very much. Maybe we should pick something that we've been told we're not good at and go back and just give it a given a Midlife. Second World. I love lutely absolutely just Lahey. Thank you so much for coming on the show. The book is the gift of failure. Her upcoming book is the addiction. Inoculation I we're going to cove inoculation Galatian. That'S COMING OUT APRIL. Twenty twenty one you can. I'll leave links to everything from the show notes to make it easy for you guys like you so much for coming on the show. Thank you miss. Go let him go ahead surrounding three of them all right perfect and make aunt not only did I include an MC yogi video in the show notes. Today's episode I actually signed up and did a class with him by zoom last weekend only really started doing yoga for the first time last fall. But I have this vision of myself. Bursting forth. Post Cova does some kind of advanced Yogi from all the Zoom Yoga that I'm doing but honestly I think that's what comes from not wearing your glasses or sharing your screen during communal Zim Yoga. I don't want those people to see me. I don't know them. And I'm squinting the whole time because I can't see the instructor but I'm sure I'm great. 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1101 D&S: It's Magic 8 Ball Time!

The Nice Guys on Business Podcast

35:49 min | 5 months ago

1101 D&S: It's Magic 8 Ball Time!

"More anonymous than the federal witness protection. Program it's the Nice guys on business a post. The other day was a great mean. It said I wanna be the reason that when you see a text come in, you turn your phone away so nobody can see your screen. I go the complete opposite I want to be able to leave my phone unlocked in the middle of El Segundo Boulevard. So anybody that sees it could say this is just a nice normal loving boyfriend handsome guy love him. I'm sure as his girlfriend loves him very much because there is not one thing in this phone that he cannot share with the entire world that's who I want to be just so you know. Actively searching for their next future ex wives. It's the Nice guys on business. Oh. Yeah. They know how to treat the ladies. Three, days a week they're able to hold it together. This is not one of those days. Welcome to fuck ary with the Nice guys. Not, apply no interviews, lots of ranting and they sometimes stumbled onto something useful. Go figure. Now it's time for a nice guys fog ary with the kings of fuck ary themselves, Doug Sandler, and Stricklin Bonner. So you. Any editing to the very beginning or you literally just take these words that we are saying at the moment you hit record because I didn't yell hit record hit record I. Haven't yelled that in quite some time it's way too hot in La Right now to be yelling that it totally depends I know gosh it's what eighty to eighty three. La. Heat wave. A freaking heatwave. Today I can only imagine what it's like in La proper because I'm right now I'm literally a mile and a half from the beach, and at least I have the cool bridge beach breeze that happens here and even cool beach breezes still it's still hot it's it's hot and I'm not used to hot like this I I don't want hot like this I wanna go home. Welcome, back welcome back my name stricken but on the Sailor to answer your question it all depends on how we start usually will start the episode with something like you just said where it's like you yelling recorder, you know not a clean open. Let's just put it that way just because I wouldn't be any fun. I like I understand I, understand the non the non fun factor and actually right now the non factor is actually because I really don't even have an Internet connection right now I have no idea how even connecting through the ethers right now I've. Else. This is a smoke signal episode. Yeah it it must be because I have like one bar on my phone. I'm hot spotted in we're hanging on by a thread. So if at some point, this connection just completely craps out it's completely spectrums fault. I think if there's one one company that's even worse than comcast it's spectrum. So. Anyway we got a couple of voicemails from jared and I've got some other funds special stuff today. Okay. All right. Well, I'm I am at your Beck and call I am at your command my good sir my leash. I'm saying I'm clicking or anything am I But. I, think it's probably Okay Probably. Finding. Always. Okay share screen always figure out against US important to show these screen, which is the share, the proper screen, and you have to share the wow. That screen is so tiny on this little tiny laptop but. That's my lower is screen. It should. No, it's not your fault. It's my fault. It's completely me wait look strickland. Am My second before you before you leave that screen where you are right now it could it possibly be that you really only have four. In that what's going on now that's that's not possible three three. Not, only three all of them are from you and it's just it's just videos that I. Need to upload and put Intros and ultra leash. Hit. The delete button just delete all of them 'cause I. Don't know how you possibly got down to I mean I'm I'm so proud of you. So I don't. WanNa. Doubt this but and three of them are for me which really mean nothing is important. No say that these are all three just videos that need to update. On. Dude I'm getting myself getting caught up I wanted to show you that I. Now, that's my personal on my personal still five, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, one. Oh My work you don't. Wait, which one which one is turnkey is considered your personal one or your business with the one. What do you think Doug? Personal or turn key we'd. Considering. Personal. Personal. Is Personal. What does he during key is the business one personal one though if it's personal, why do you have five thousand emails in there? Why don't you just delete them all you need them. Whatever it doesn't matter. How did you get through all of those emails that was that were in your that were in your turnkey account how how many were in their? Unlike you. I would love to stay here like under ten on a regular basis. Yeah. But I get busy with stuff right and so sometimes, it'll get up to you know twenty or thirty or fifteen it was like. I was at about a hundred, hundred and twenty maybe. There were none in there that hadn't been read that were important right? It's like dog I deal with that later. But then on a regular basis I will go in and clear those out and make sure that I take care of it and then archive it, and this is where I am now and again I don't have any misconceptions that I'm going to be. I'm never going to get more than ten emails in my inbox. I look. I. Know It's going to Evan flow and that's just the way I work but I do prefer to keep it here. So you you read who moved my cheese didn't you I mean you've probably read that book. Sniffen scurry are like your ebon floor so It's like I WANNA have two guys in my parable, my business parable that I sell three gazillion copies of I want to have their names be ebb and flow, and I've always thought about that either that of course I want to go to the hookers and blow name because you know what you know. I'm really trying to figure out how do we work that into a podcast? We are totally going to work that into a podcast one day that will be like our. What was that? Let me let me date myself would that be our Swan Song? Out I realized that when I share my screen did not sure computer cells. Let's Oh one more time now connick your our. Okay, are you ready? We voicemails I am very proud of you. I just want to let you know that before we move forward. But now was that some of your news that wasn't no. I was not the big news. Oh. Okay. Let's get the voicemails from jared and then I'll tell you about the cool stuff we have this. Okay. Okay. Now, you. Want. Foul. Screw rescue. was just so you know I was doing the jared dance. I think people really enjoyed it. When we posted that I posted that last week actually had to work. I had edit that I had to cut out just a thirty second clip of you dancing and then the. Good jail you're brought him. Here. Enjoy my Muslim Friday episode. You get just right in Wakefield. Wanted to thank you for. Your compliment of The glue the hearts and minds the Nice Guy. Gene My. Let's just one what. Can we do here on the voice failed? Eighty beyond. I don't know is it he had going on there I. Think. Yes, Jean saw going back. Ban. Working, but I'm listening to the. Business. So. It's so funny. It's so funny. So you know I have my good friend, Scott Scott Miller and I hope Scotty is is a fan of the show I don't know he works a lot. So I'm thinking that he's got a lot of work time time to actually listen to the nice guys on business because he does home improvements I think he's raised similar to jared in that regard. Anyway. So I call Scott. No matter what time of day that I call Scott, during the day, of course, not during his a evening time with his family. But if I call him during the day, he's usually at work in is usually on a roof. He's doing some project around the house or the his clients houses usually communicate with the client but no matter. What there's one guarantee that I what that's going to happen when I ever I call Scott that guarantee is to guarantees actually number one he will absoutely pick up the phone no matter what he is doing. So that's that's great. It's a really good friend pick up the phone. Here's the downside no matter what he will never pay attention to me fix the phone. Why the fuck are you picking up the phone Scott? You know you can't. You can't do two things at one time. He will literally be on the roof with another guy who's helping him and he will just have a in his ear and I'm thinking why why did you pick up the phone and and can we have a conversation and JJ said something? She always says wise things I'm learning a lot from JJ through the couple of years that I've lived here, and this was very profound when she shared this with me, she said, you need to really discuss with him. What happens when you when he calls you when you call him if he's not going to listen to you. Give Him the consequence. The consequence is if you're not going to be I'm not going to call you anymore and I just have a year have a conversation with somebody that they just don't pay attention. No matter what a aside from me. A conversation with somebody and they just aren't hearing your side or they're not paying attention to what you're saying. You say something. To, say. It was a self all. Over the plate I had to go there but I didn't I didn't realize you were going to do it until literally, I'm like you know how you're almost to the end in your life how GonNa get out of this joke. It's like it's like you you pitch it right and you sit the ball in the air. WHO LIKE And then it's right. The last second go boy he's got that bat far pretty funny. Oh Shanta and you said, you see the bad sweetie you're. My God. Yeah I knew those two. I. My brakes were on full tilt. Go Stopping. It's like I needed what is the equivalent of the truck runaway pass? Only. Those Button, isn't there a? New Work Mute will just cut you off and that's not good. True Josh. That's so jared what the hell were you doing during that message you either driving with Bluetooth allowed in a truck or I mean I'm just looking visually at the wavelength that's like I know. You think Hindenburg could cut all that shit. Well, it's funny I. I don't know if you noticed I was crying annoy. Even didn't even help that. It usually does a really nice job here just for kicks I'M GONNA go back and I'm going to crank the noise reduction all the way up and play it and see what happens. So okay I wave you ever needed Hindenburg here. This is this is what it sounds like. Crank it all the way up. Suit sounds like. OFF THEY DON'T Hear. That doesn't really. High really does a good job. But it starts to. Write it takes. Like here's with an off. The glue. binders noise. Reduction. In. Crank back a little. Like I'm looking at I'm looking at. A pretty good job of noise reduction they're looking at the visual of it. Though, could it get rid of that entire like that lower that really dark blue part at the bottom or a? Little. See The white line right here. Yeah. I it does light line is what it's reducing. So it's reducing a lot of that hundred Hertz home but it's saying, Hey, there's also a lot of shit everywhere else on the spectrum. That's why when we crank it way up that all you're hearing bits and pieces of his conversation. So. Like if I crank it back, you'll see the lines go like the little white lines go different overlap between the green and all the other. Thing that I'm not sure. I'd have to ask him in Berg, there's like a rely in red line I. Honestly don't know what the difference is. That's where the devil, right? That's where you're selling your soul. voicemail right, next, crank the void. Gates. Derek jeter voicemail number two nights. To I can't remember Guys are talking about why people listen and you're not sure why they listen to the train wreck of a show. You guys have. So I mean Monday Wednesday I understand you got the interviews that's that's not my cup of tea but I know people like those. So you know you know you got those things and then Friday. I mean, isn't it obvious why people call in? You Got Steve O'Brien in the beginning if you got people Brian at the end so they play it and Jerry metal listening biscuit to the end they get their thirty seconds there and then I that even some of them might stop in the middle of the episode and listen to the voice mail from. Jared. Like to hear that. So even if it's just me, that's one person. Guys. And I. Hope you have a fantastic week. So we could, we could start time stamping. but we'll we'll just time stamp. We don't need to time Stanford. Because, of course, there you know the very beginning in the very end. It's easy enough right. Let me go back. Oh sorry we finish your thought. We would. We would just time stamp jared voicemails. Yeah that's good. That's right. So it's like zero to eighteen minutes absolutely. No No zero to thirty seconds, Steve O'Brien thirty seconds to eighteen minutes absolutely nothing. Shared Jared voicemail. For. Two minutes and then there's like a five minute period of Oh absolutely nothing. Because that's when you and me commenting. And then there's another another voicemail from Jerry, which is time stamped, and then absolutely nothing until the last thirty seconds that wonderful plan I like it I like. It's kind of I want to go back to that same analogy of like the runaway path, the suicide, what do you call? What are those things? That's a damn good question I. Don't remember like those little. In Pennsylvania seem all the time because the mountains are so big and it's like it. It's off the side of the highway and goes up a hill in case you know you lost. Truck Ran I let's just call it the runaway path and so it's like it's kind of like the runaway path. But when somebody's building up the momentum, like you have what Monday and Wednesday do we do episodes interview episodes right always on Mondays sometimes on Wednesday. So you're you're the ramping up the Monday and Wednesday they're like and things are going like full crank and full speed ahead, and they can't put the brakes on quite early enough. So the download still continues till Friday. So did you get they do? So we really only have jared that listens on Friday. She's the only one that's obvious. Easy. Only one. Well, I, think Jenny balanced listens every once in a while and you'll catch me now every once in a while if I like a good laugh I need to feel like I'm home again I will I will listen to our our Friday episode of Gotten. Back into the habit a little bit more often of listening never reading the show notes just. So you know that as well that's good. So why and then and then the momentum carries back over there like Oh cool. I'll go back to listing on Monday and they listen to Monday and Wednesday in the speed is built up again, they put the brakes on, but the can't stop. So the download comes on Friday. Also we just can't do anything about it. We can't. It's. It's I mean we're six years into this thing already it's just impossible. We're not going to be able to do anything about this. No I agree no nothing. When's the surprise happened? When do you tell me good things? Are you ready I? Am Ready do you remember we talked about it? Know if it was last week or the week before? The magic you have a fourth email in your inbox you really should get rid of that see I would get rid of that because you know that's just telling you what what's going waiting zone. Yeah, yeah on the twenty seventh of September. Just in case anybody knows that do that do virtual meetings on a regular basis on the twenty seventh of September they're automatically going to assign a waiting room or a pass code a mandatory for years zoom meetings I. Don't know why they're waiting until the September twenty seventh just do it. Now, this has been a public service announcement from Bronx Zoo and the Nice guys on business end zone on behalf of zoom. Yeah. You remember a couple of weeks ago. We talked about the magic eight. Ball Yes. Absolutely, and that's not the eight ball of crack cocaine that you put up your we talk about. Let me just remind everybody should remind everybody or. Yeah. Okay. So the reminding may not know what magic eight ball. So Oh okay. Do you want me to know how far back do you want me to go straight? Maybe. Can make a quick frogman. Was a magic ball. was this this this toy that you get and it was it was predictor right? You could ask a question a yes no question and it would and you shake the ball and when you turn it over and look underneath it gives you an answer right and it would tell your fortune like, yes. No, maybe it's unclear at this time. So that's the joke. It's like if you got a question, you should just go ask the magic eight ball right Well, we talked about ww J. D. What jared do. We said, we really needed to be able to have a magic all like like jared. So we could know, would we have a question like that? One ask jared on the air but like we're not gonNA call him right total. So going to be like, Hey, what jared do? Okay, and so we can do that. We have a magic eight ball. Wait a second you. You actually have your answers from Jared Jerry put together for you. Keep all. When did you send this to you and why was I not CC`ed on it I'm not feeling slighted I'm I'm actually very surprised and happy that it was done because I wanted to surprise you. Oh, this is awesome. All right. So do I can I ask a random shafts? Random question and shakeup jared eight ball and and I'm not going to change micro quick my cable because I'm hearing clicking isolated. Really. Because I've got. Wow that sounds really bad. Now, it's all good and then we do is that you is that what a built in microphone sounds like. That was bad. That was really bad. Microphone sounds like that's why I was just noticing as you were doing this also that as you're checking things out the Nice Guy Community, I remember when we were trying to get two hundred members, is that actually four hundred and forty members that we have in the Nice Guy Community. Hey, and you get member requests. Remember wait a second before we get to the number. Can you go to the member requests? You have to remember hearing a member on the left hand side who wants Okay Justin Dixon requested two days ago steady J-. Wish from Tennessee maybe knows Tennessee Tim yeah. He looks looks like get away. Could you but Justin Dickson is a listener to the show probably he didn't answer any of the questions. Answered membership question but that's okay. That doesn't mean that he's he's out. Go the next person. Talk aim cy year you know I looked at this one yesterday or the day before, and let's put it this way. So it is. It's easier actionable, AKA? And it's it's a looks like a very attractive young blonde woman which again questionable why she would ever listen to us, right? Okay. And then when you see friends and I go to see all I don't see any. Right friend well, maybe no friends to show maybe her privacy settings. Maybe this is just a private individual you never know that it'd be. Photos is her profile picture and local album look at the other the other groups that she's members of because that oftentimes will give me a good go back to go back to her cedeno whole on second. Go back to our go back to our group. If you go back to our group and then and then twenty six groups Click and see what group she's a part of interesting. Doesn't tell you if you click on that or no. It's not show todd a croissant city I sal pay Petoskey, Francis Leo Marcus and twenty one more I. Don't know I don't know decline her I think attack aim Sayer. It sounds a little little sketchy. Catch you attack if you want to be in the group Yeah Forty two, forty, two, DJ GIVE US call. She can't post in the facebook because don't decline don't decline. Here's the you hit it right on the head straight if. Attack Aim Sayer S. E. R. IF YOU WANNA be a part of the group just leave a message at forty, two, forty, two DJ Doug even if the messages fuck you guys, I would never be agree a member of any group that would have me as a member. Or they would question might membership by reality who I really am that's okay. Then all you have to do so simple the the enter the entree to you into the group and okay. I'll even go one step further except for jared or Jenny or tim or any of a regular callers. If anyone else calls value for checking Sayer, I will let her in just because you vouched for her if somebody's calling to vouch for her okay sure. As, long as we have out. You remember Steve Martin on the Joe Jerk. When he becomes a, he becomes the guy at the at the at the carnival that does the weight guessing member. Girl but the girl okay whatever. Okay. Now now just. Tell the joke. It's not there's no joke. It's just it's just a character. Now Justin Dixon he actually looks like a real guy. He's got a real family there he is. Actually we saw him at I don't know where he was. He was at some. Can we go back to his photos? We did we actually saw him somewhere well, isn't that him? I think so yeah, that that's probably What you're saying, we saw him in his profile picture as told Yeah, Guy. Yeah I would totally have just an he's a guy had have over for the holidays I mean. Yeah. I'm totally this is it. I'm in I'm in he's in he was either married recently or just graduated something college or Master's. Is them know when they came up so She is totally he's goes Justin. You are. You are welcome to come into our a strike district the big about an e aim. Sayer all we need is voucher for you or if you call forty, two, forty, two, Dj Doug leave any message you can even breathe heavy and say your name and hang up we don't care. We just need to hear from somebody batching for you. Okay. So Oh. Go ahead. I don't need to know anything. You don't want to know about that. Sure I don't I should move that to another screen just in case mark. I mean I saw the other day. It was a great mean. It said I want to be the reason that when you see text come in, you turn your phone away so nobody can see your screen. It's so funny because I want I. So want to be transparent in every. Now you don't you're not in a relationship so it's totally fine. It's great and that's exactly how you should be. You should be like balls to the wall with everything that's going on in your life right now I'm more excited for you now than ever in my entire life for you that being said. I go the complete opposite I WANNA be able to leave my phone unlocked in the middle of El, Segundo? Boulevard. So anybody that sees it could say this is just a nice normal loving boyfriend handsome guy love him I'm sure as girlfriend loves him very much because there's not one thing in this phone that he cannot share with the entire world that's to I wanna be just so you know. That's offense. Definitely. said that the sad that's a sad commentary on who I am right now. It's got all. So what's the plan? Do I ask a question question that what is it that you know jared is he you know we've got the magic eight ball, right? It'll give you the answers you need the Yes. No question. Ask any question you like the can be answered with yes or no does that have to be a yes or no way couldn't it be like couldn't it be like? What are you thinking about? No, it has to buy your. Question Okay all right I got and I'm going to halfway full down my laptop screen so I can't see 'cause you're going to have to plan it looks okay I've already got it well, you can still that's why I shared my screen instead of sharing the APP. So we're all wait a minute if you play any play something else through there. So that will I be able to hear. You should be able to hear it pretty sure. This is Charlie like buzzkill. Jared again. Yeah that's fine. Let's hearing that. Oh, I, hear. Your Voice. Mail for jared music. Yes I hear that. I am ready to ask my question. Okay. Go ahead. What's your question? All right. Jared. W.. W.. J.. D.. Will I be buying a house in the next twelve months. and. The next tweet will I. be buying a house in the next twelve? Okay. Hold on a second shaking the ball. Karnak. Shake the ball. Ripping the envelope Karnak and Johnny Carson or Ed McMahon would always repeat the question. And Karnak would look at him. I know I'm dating myself here we're not getting carson references I'm just shaking the ball game. W. J. D. will I be buying a house in the next twelve months ago? Well, actually I, think even a couple of mental midgets like you guys can handle that one. So yeah sure. Okay I guess that's a Yes. All right I feel good about this as. An very, very good quality on that too I. appreciate that ww JD. Okay. W Do I get to do another one? Yeah absolutely. WW JD is there any shot that within the next twenty four hours that I will be having sex with JJ? I'll tell you what if you guys become Republicans you can do it. Yeah I. Guess. That's a big. That's a big fat. No then I guess yeah, I was I. almost I almost was was changing political affiliations. Should happen and then it was like a definite. No. All right. strickland. Do you have a question that you would like to ask WW JD? No, I WANNA. Let You keep asking. Okay. Excellent. Excellent. Okay. WW JD will we be able to find some relief from this fucking heat way that is going on right now district have to put gas in his Tesla. Well then I guess that's a hell. No then isn't it sorry. Dog looks like you've got no relief coming. All right. So kind of very similar to like the groundhog day. All right so W. W J. D final question right here will there be something that will motivate me to to provide a an old reference to one that is hold on second. Let me think about this wartime. Got I. got to come up with a question that it's a little bit more clear. Let me let me think about this. Will I make an out of date time reference again before the end of the episode WWe jd much check. Okay guys I'm neither for nor against this one. So I'm Switzerland. Good. Luck. Okay I'm gonNA shake up again because I don't like that answer. Shake volunteer. Okay. Here does Doug Can Lotion Oh. Hell. Yes. He does that's a big comes up sh. WW W JD hey strike remember when we were talking about this, we were GonNa have like guests that come on the come on the show and I'm like I. Know You have listened to our episodes so are there any other questions that you would like to ask for strict? Ask them to the guest. Well, how are we going to actually phrase that so that the guests would ask you a question that you can answer Oh. Yeah. Right. Like I've got to. Well, it depends like how would you play it back though because you got you have to be sharing your screen for them to hear it now so it wouldn't be. Becomes. CASTER yeah. A little complicated, little too hard jerry. You what do you? What do you think? Yes or no what do you think That was a really good question too bad you dumb ass wouldn't understand the answer. Yeah. That's a problem wouldn't understand. Can. We burn through them all I. Know. We've got more right. All right. Cool. So we'll we'll I introduce a new segment. We'll do that every week until either I get tired of it. Forget to do it or have another opportunity to mention the Mustang podcast at some point. Oh my God speaking of the Mustang. PODCAST. So This this mustangs on emission thing and you know I have a lot of. I have I I really enjoy doing the podcast. But I got I guess a little become pulled into a project here and then I found the more I got pulled into the project. The deep pride was getting into stuff that I'm comfortable with but it's like do I really want to like put my reputation on the line like right now here's what's going on. We have about one hundred and twenty five people that have registered for this this this program called mustangs. On a mission and it is a very good 'cause it's to support Cancer Research and finding a cure for cancer. So it is a it is very good 'cause by the way it's mustangs on a mission dot org if anybody wants to register shit by the time you hear the it'll be Friday, you'll hear this. So yeah, the the event is actually Saturday and Sunday. So I am doing all of the Zoom Tech. I'm so I'm not emceeing the event I'm not. GonNa be like the questioner doing the interviews because you know these are like top level, four guys and Mustang guys, and they know much more about the Mustang world than I do. So I'm like well, I can help out somehow. So how can I help out guys? What can I do? Well could you get the whole zoom things straighten out like I could do that? Yeah. Could you just run the entire zoom thing? I'm like, Hey, get me off of that I. Don't WanNa see any of that I don't WanNa see. Oh. Yes. I've. Heard of. Dean. Screwed don't mastery. You don't WanNa see that. Anyhow. So I'm the guy running tech. I'm doing the whole thing when it comes to like making sure that the that all of the guests show up. So it's like you know thirty five guys centers and they're all like between the ages of fifty and one hundred fifty. Let's so most of those guys in that age range, they've just never been on zoom before and so and I'm just trying to get into show up just to do like tech call, they're showing up with their phone. Hurtling Schaumburg. Curling, applying for what are you think might yeah you sound great. Okay. Next. I don't know what to do I mean I know what to do, but they don't have the right technology. So just hurting cats. I just don't know you have any advice. Hey, ww JD. J. D. do you think that the tech side of this mustangs on a mission is going to go well over the weekend for? That's a good question. I'm going to have to talk to my wife about that one hang on a second. Money Oh. She said no fucking way. Oh. She said no fucking way. It's going to be really bad. I'm just I'm just trying so hard I just wanted to be so good for these guys and we had like a like literally two months to prepare for this and it's all coming down to the next two days. There's just too much to be done is just not going to get done so. I'm just a little worried. So if you don't see me on Monday at any of the meetings or whatever you know that they've probably taken me out back and maybe forced me under a classic Mustang or something. I have no idea. Run the over a few times up tonight. So I'm assuming there's not gonna be like a live stream of this. I can watch you. Go. There you're in charge of it, which means it's not going to go. Well, I won't be able to see. Arrest the problem so you will be able to see it, but unfortunately you have to. You have to watch in the facebook group which is being live. It's being live streamed in the group, and which is making me even more nervous right now because I'm looking at this and saying, my fucking Internet doesn't even work right now it's it's Wednesday night was when recording this. If this takes three days to get worked I. Don't know stranger things have happened I'm really I'm really concerned right now I don't know why I'm. Should I Strict could you just put me out of my misery? Just shoot me shoot me now I'll see let's ask jared when you I'm going to have to call you back on that one. Don't call me. I'll call you. Thanks jared. WWe, jd a fine segment. Thank you for the surprise Lubbock. We will. We will continue the fun fun and and Shiri the fine, the Fund and factory on on next week. Next week's episode. Anything else before we are we done got more. Now I think we're. My Gosh. Okay. Well, let's have here. You want to. All right. Here we go. Ready. Yeah I am ready. Hey, Steve Orion just take us the fuck out here. Nice Guy Community, what do you think of the Nice guys podcast? Is it a interesting informative intelligent business information that's really helpful. Be a couple of guys who think they're funny but actually have an inflated perception of their own self worth. 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1376: Ready, Set, Stress by Joel of 5 AM Joel on Handling Stressful Financial Situations

Optimal Finance Daily

10:32 min | Last month

1376: Ready, Set, Stress by Joel of 5 AM Joel on Handling Stressful Financial Situations

"This is optimal finance daily episode. Thirteen seventy six ready set stress by joel of five. Am joel dot com. And i'm your host and personal finance enthusiast diana mariam. This is the show where i read to you from. Some of the best personal finance blogs on the planet sometimes a little too enthusiastically. But i can't help it. Money is an incredible resource that we can use to craft the life of our dreams. So thanks for joining me today. And every day things to anger for hosting this podcast anchors the easiest way to make a podcast little distributor. Podcast for you. So can be heard everywhere. Spotify apple podcasts. Google podcasts and many more you can easily make money from your podcast to with no minimum listenership anchor gives you everything you need in one place for free which you can use right from your phone or computer creation tools. Allow you to record and edit your podcast so it sounds great. Download the anchor ab or go to anchor dot. Fm to get started but for now. Let's hear today's post and sir optimizing your life ready set stress by joel five. Am joel dot com. How well do you handle stress when you're laying in bed awake at night. Are you dreaming about the fun things in life or are you stressing about the potential problems you come across each day. I used to think stress came and went as a result of the environment. I was in. But what i've learned over the years is that i 'cause my own stress anywhere anytime even in very peaceful conditions. I can always find a way to stress myself out wednesday. This past wednesday was a very relaxing day for me. I'm currently on vacation. My wife and i rented a boat and cruised around bass lake all day. We drank a few beers played in the water and got back to our tent around four pm for a nice afternoon nap. Best day ever until i woke up to this text. Message tamra when you have had a beer or two today which you could make a call about prairie me Everything okay tamra. Well do you have reception to talk or do you want me to techs at all me. I'll call give me five minutes. Is anyone hurt. Tamra not yet. L. tamra is one of my property. Managers prairie is one of my rental properties. Something is wrong. She knows i'm on vacation. Wouldn't bother me unless something serious is going on. Ready set stress. What would you do in this situation. I want to work at starbucks. Have you ever wished you just had a low stress. Low responsibility job. People at starbucks always seem happy. Same trader joe's employees. Why can't i just get a job there and have a stress free life. Here's why you create your own storms. Then always get upset when it rains. Although starbucks seems like a stress. Free job i can picture myself stressing about little things. Here are a few examples coffee. Bean delivery guy is twenty minutes late. He said he'd be here at eleven. Am it's well past that. Perhaps something is wrong. What if he doesn't come today. We've run out of coffee. Customers get corporate fires me and my resume shows that. I couldn't even hold down a basic job stress. Stacey isn't frosting. The milk properly is starting to annoy. Jeff who complains to me stop about it. Customers are noticing their law tasers milky. And giving me rude looks we've ruined. Everyone's day stress builds. I'm guessing my job at starbucks could actually turn out to be equally as stressful as my last corporate position when i was negotiating million dollar contracts. So if stresses everywhere what do we do about it. Well if you believe like me that you create your own stress then you must also believe that you can create your own piece to. Here's a few things. I do to manage my stress number one. Ww j. d. what would john do my old boss. John was one of the best handlers. I've met no matter what situation was brought to him. He would handle it with grace n es a customers product is broken and they want to sue us for a million dollars in damages no problem. Let's respond with xyz done in my life when she hits the fan all at once. I picture how john would handle it number. Two my calm down songs music calms me down and gets me out of my own head. If there's no music around here are the songs. I sing in my head. Three little birds by bob marley permanent home day by mike love. Don't worry be happy. By bobby mcferrin number three things could always be worse whenever i have a massive problem to solve. I picture the problem swap game in this game. You're sitting at a table with all your friends and family. Everyone writes down their biggest personal problem. They're facing and puts it into a hat in the middle. You have a choice you can pick from the hat and get stuck with the problem you pull out or you can keep the personal problem. You have currently. I always choose my own problem. It's easier to solve than everyone else's number four daily appreciation. This ones my favorite. I am totally at peace. When i remind myself. I'm the luckiest guy in the world on a daily basis. I practice appreciation for the little things in my life when i look around. I see good not bad. I generally stress. The grass is greener on my side. So how did wednesday end up. I've owned rental properties for so long. I've trained myself to remove all emotion when facing issues. It helps to think of every problem in real estate as just a money problem. I called tamra and asked her to explain the issue quickly she did. She gave three options to solve the problem. A b or c. I choose see it will cost me fourteen hundred dollars but handles the issue immediately. I have reserves and insurance for this exact reason within twenty minutes back to relaxing on my vacation. Problem solved no stress. No worries ready set. Relax sir you just listened to the post titled ready set stress by joel of five. Am joel dot com and thank you to nord vpn. 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Free goto nord vpn dot com slash. Oh fd and use our coupon. Oh fda at checkout that's n o r d vpn dot com slash lefty and use coupon code oh fd. I really enjoyed this post because gaining perspective about stress not only helps with financial worries but can improve other areas of our lives as well. It's interesting to me that the mind has this habitual way of turning anything into a negative but if you watch this closely you may notice that this has little to do with circumstances and much more to do with the stories we tell ourselves so for example when i graduated college in two thousand nine. It was extremely difficult to find a job. Every time i was passed up for a job opportunity my mind went down a rabbit hole. About how much of a loser i was and how much better off i would have been if i got the job and how my situation was hopeless then. One day. I started telling a different story when i didn't get a job offer. I tell myself that. I dodged a bullet. I would tell myself that. I was so lucky that i didn't get that job because if i did i would be so much more miserable than i was without it. Here's the thing whether i was telling myself negative stories or positive ones. They're still just stories. There is no way to valley if any of these stories are true. And there's no such thing as an alternate reality. Think about all the ways we torture ourselves with this train of thought if x would've worked out this way then why would have happened in reality. You have no of knowing if that's true so if you're going to be telling yourself a made up story why not tell a positive one. The other thing that helps me manage stress is realizing that many times. It's the result of worrying about things. I can't control i'm in sales but i can't force anyone to buy when i'm selling. I don't let myself get stressed about a deal falling apart. Because i can't control a decision someone else makes but i can control how i handle their objections. 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The End Of Sports Talk WDFN Plus Chipotle To Open In Ferndale And Portillo's Coming To Sterling Heights

Daily Detroit

26:16 min | 7 months ago

The End Of Sports Talk WDFN Plus Chipotle To Open In Ferndale And Portillo's Coming To Sterling Heights

"Anybody, who knows anything about broadcasting? We'll tell you that local personalities attract audience. And yet these big companies are not investing in local personalities widely. That's Matt Freedman Media. Professional and public relations expert. Radio is a format that is long captivated listeners in Metro Detroit. A region that loves its local talent I've loved listening over the years to voices that are uniquely. But you're finding that less and less these days, so our feature conversation today is about the end of Sports Radio Station wd defense why it happened and what's next for the station and the radio industry here as a whole then we'll share a few things around town I'm jair stays, and I'm spend Gustafsen this is your daily Detroit for Wednesday July eighth, twenty twenty, a quick reminder of that daily Detroit is member supported Media Look I. Hear All the time from folks who say I should remember. Remember to become a member well. Here's your reminder. Join us as a member at patriotic dot com slash daily Detroit and help keep local voices who don't have to answer to corporate overlords on the air. I think remember to become a member should become a bumper sticker for US share and also daily Detroit no corporate overload. That's another one I agree. Here's thing daily traded gmail.com. Should we have jingles should remember to become a member become jingle. Tell me if you guys like jingles. Let's do jingles. Big News in commercial radio as. Sports Talk Station Eleven. Thirty Am W. D. F.. N. The fan is no more. The station changed formats to the black information network. A twenty four hour news service focused on issues of interest to African Americans. Station is backed by I heart media, a big national radio broadcast conglomerate wd then launched back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety four. It was Detroit's I dedicated twenty four hour sports talk. Talk Radio Station and joining us to dissect all of that and talk about what it means is Matt Freedman he's one half of Tanner Friedman strategic communications and a good friend of us here at daily Detroit Matt. Welcome back to the show. Thank you always happy to talk shop. On daily Detroit. I should mention you're a also broadcast veteran in you. Track the industry very closely. I try I try yeah, been tracking it. It from home lately, but the numbers are interesting. What interests you about this change? Guys would struck you I know it's been a long time since I listened to sports. Talk Radio and used to listen to it I think the personalities and some of the tenor drove me away, but that's sort of immaterial Detroit huge sports town. You know we are one of relatively few cities with teams in all four major professional. Professional Sports Leagues. You know in Wfan at one time was like the big sports radio station in Detroit it was home to some of the big pundits and sports journalists in town like stone. WHOA, Joe Jamie Samuelsen Matt Dairy. ETC, etc, mean so, what happened to defend? Why did it suddenly declined or whatever well? There were a couple of factors put them the main factor is what happened to the corporation that owned it. So I hard. Media is a relatively new name for a company that's been around the radio business. Now for quite a while called clear channel. They rebranded because clear channel became something of A. Something of a bad reputation name in the broadcast business, and it's all happened in January of two thousand, nine, supporting, remember the history here and so that was really the day that the fan sites wasn't the fan anymore. They got rid of almost all of their local programming on that day. And the reason is that company got so big so fast that they couldn't pay back all of. Of the debt that they borrowed to buy all these radio stations the to become the behemoth that they became and the local broadcaster, and the local broadcast product suffered, so while were kind of writing obituary now for the fan. It's actually been eleven years in the making. It happened to be and I remember the day it happened. Be The day that Barack Obama was inaugurated as president. And, there's a colleague of mine who does a lot of our media buying. And she and I were having lunch after seeing client and we're watching the inauguration on TV. We picked a restaurant, so we could see history before our eyes, and she started getting calls and emails from people at clear channel saying they're getting rid of everybody. So that's how long it's been and the the other factor in addition to corporate largess that they couldn't keep up with. Is it really became hard for sports stations around the country to be competitive if they didn't have the rights to games? That live programming is is a must so somebody like us fan who kind of gets burned out with the chatter every day, but if you're a fan especially, if the teams are good, you're gonNA listen to the game sir, and they tried using the fact that they didn't air the Games as a marketing advantage. You may remember a slogan that they had the only sports station not bought and paid for by the home team's. They kind of had this rebellious kind of renegade attitude and I think that helped them for awhile, but sooner or later. Later with that format in order to be really successful, you have to have the games and the only pro games that they ever really had where the Pistons on a trade deal. When the Pistons were really on the downside of their run again it was did ties in with the first point of this corporation that had trouble keeping up with its debt. If the corporate situation had been healthier, they probably would have gone out and gotten some rights for the Tigers. Wings are the Lions, or maybe the Pistons under different circumstances and would build the. The station around that yet one of the things it kind of astounds me is that this is such a sports town, but frankly the ticket is just kind of been the runaway success in the sports vertical. It just doesn't seem there's not. There's much air for anything else, but them across the board. It seems like they kind of run the table right now. Yeah, there on FM, and they have the the Games, so that's a great combination and the other thing, too. That plagued eleven thirty Wfan here and there was. They did have some signal. Signal problems there were parts of the market where you couldn't hear them real well at night, but that didn't get in the way of their success. They had a run in the two thousands or an afternoon drive. They were the number one station for men twenty five to fifty four. That's a really coveted demographic. And they had it, and that was the stone Ian Whoa Joe, show and it was a powerhouse radio show one of the most successful shows of its kind in the country and again if they had a an owner willing to invest. Invest rather than divest can only speculate as to what could have happened. The other thing is they've had some FM signals over the years. That owner has control that have not been real successful makes. You wonder what might have happened if they had moved the sports format FM with those personalities if they would have been more competitive, but it's all in the rear view mirror now on the what they've been running. The last several years is almost all nationally or statewide syndicated programming, coming from their co owned stations, and other markets or in different. Different areas of the state, the exception to that has been matched shepherd was doing a very credible morning interview show, but when he became the Tigers play by play voice on TV league that went away and there just wasn't a lot for them to hang their hat on anymore as I say that trend of centralized broadcasting and running syndicated programming is not unique to a M, and it's not even really in unique to Talkradio. Right I mean like FM stations that play music are often computer generated and broadcast centrally out of Wichita for multiple markets. Markets, or whatever right yeah we see that I mean you know the clear channel now? IHEART was really the pioneer in what's known as voice tracking so rather than have a DJ Hosta Music Show in Detroit for example they'll pay somebody in another market fifty bucks to track the show and other words it's to record their voice and mix it with music on a computer, and basically upload an FTP, audio file, and that becomes the show. They were really the pioneers in that by no means. Were they the only ones doing it and they in? In some of their newer rounds of cuts in the last year have talked about innovation like artificial intelligence, so they're going away from the local personality and more toward content, sharing and I understand how that might help them. Pay Down some debt, but it's really hard to see how that's going to attract new audiences, especially in a place like Detroit where we like our local voices, and we like our personalities, and you know show like yours can really connect with the community, because the two of you are of the community and listeners know that. I mean these national groups just WanNa. Keep doing only national programming I'm just GONNA. Go ahead and let them do that and then just pick up the table because I mean. It's amazing to me. When in this world of on-demand and personalization that you've got these companies that are going for even more of the mass market, but I think my next question is kind of in two parts, and I'll lay down the first one. To set up the second am versus FM. It really seems like a m is just not as relevant as it once was I. Mean you've got a few flagships out there? You know I think about like W W J and Wjr, but outside of that it just seems like am is slowly fading into the sunset, but I don't know if that's true, it feels that way. It feels like I'm very rarely on the AM side of the dial a year in Detroit we have more relevant and programming than almost any other market in fact I've set up clients and people from outside the market to go on radio shows here to be interviewed radio here and they. They were really am. Powerhouses in WW J. and wjr and that's unusual nationally to have that sort of I mean if you look at our top rated stations in the market. If you look at the most recent ratings, WWe Jay is second highest rated station in the market. Am only one their equivalent station. entercom calms equivalent station sister station. If you will in Chicago is simulcast am and FM so a Detroit is a little bit behind the trend, but you're right. I, mean FM. Radio sounds better than on of. Of the signal issues when you're driving around in your car, it's one less button to press and you know for younger audiences. I don't even know if they know what am is I worry sometimes is a former radio guy. They don't own FM is, but that's. That's a whole other conversation, but I think you know in Detroit we have some culturally ingrained properties I mean you look at W. W. J. Turning one hundred years old this year. Wjr Not far behind them. That's real tradition. If you grew up listening to you grew up with your parents. Your grandparents listening to it you at least know what it is. That's not the case in every market well, and they do a lot of local programming. I. Think that's the other thing. People forget like Jr, whether or not you know. A lot of their lineup is pretty conservative boss, a lot of it is pretty darn local, which is good to see, and then also on Wwe J.. They're just constantly doing news and traffic, but a lot of that is you know local content? Almost all of it is makes a huge difference. In so back to what we were talking about. What's eleven thirty and that signal? DFM I guess they'll probably still use the call letters. At least for now you notice their announcement has been. It's the black information network emphasis on network and I. Don't see at least initially anything about programming, and I wouldn't be surprised. If there isn't any right away now, it may help fill a void. I crunched some of the numbers from Nielsen yesterday, and according to Nielsen twenty two percent of the radio audience in this market is black and I think it'd be hard to argue that. Twenty two percent of the radio programming appeals that community Oh. It definitely doesn't. I mean we need a lot more voices of color. Color on the air and in mainstream areas, especially with radio and I think about when, and I asked the question in part because when I hear about the black information network I started digging around I was like this is going to be. This isn't the same zone as like nine ten am, which also prides itself as being a voice of the community in that kind of way, but they really haven't made that huge strides in the ratings game. Well, they haven't. They haven't had a lot of consistency on the air which has been a challenge for them. You know it's hard to know. The players are without a scorecard. Something different and they have attracted an audience, and the question is if you agree that there's room for more choices than I do. Who are the voices going to be? I think that it would be much better if it were local voices. There are some terrific local voices that aren't being heard right now. That have a lot to say and a lot to listen to and ideally station like this would employ them, but that's a pretty tall order in today's corporate media environment to expect that they would actually pay somebody to be on the radio locally. That's a lot to ask really. and. That's unfortunate. We really look at that as something where it's a function of finances, because one of the things I keep hearing from media, critics, and the is is you've got all of these different? You know more mainstream voices or voices you've always listened to, and then you know. Why don't they add more people of color of things like that and one of the things I keep hearing is is that well? There's just the economics don't work to hire anybody, but I'm not an expert I don't know if that's necessarily true. It seems like you have more insight in that than I, do. I haven't seen their books. Okay, but what I do know is that. Anybody, who knows anything about broadcasting, we'll tell you that local personalities attract audiences. And yet. These big companies are not investing in local personalities widely. So why is that while when you look at a company like Iheart, which still owes a? Tremendous amount of money in in debt and they're at least most visible. Is Bain capital, and we all remember Bain capital from the Mitt, Romney Kansas we do, and we know about private equity, and how that works, you know it's all about trying to maximize as much money to send those people as possible and not necessarily to pay people here locally to host radio programs, and so I just want to temper expectations that while there may be a black oriented network on air ear in Detroit, and that helps fill a void expect to hear national voices, either primarily or Exclusively and so it fills part avoid, but doesn't fill the void and again as somebody who really likes and appreciates and started in the medium. That's a shame met. Does this tell us anything about the future of of Commercial Radio and talk? Radio in general. I think it's a symptom of something that's been around for a long time like I said this really came to light in two thousand nine, and if you want to go back, even further than that, the seeds were planted in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, six, when federal law was passed and signed by President Bill Clinton, which basically allowed broadcasting companies. Companies to own as many stations as they wanted, and bigger became the imperative right, and that was the first domino to fall, and you know here. We are in twenty twenty having some of the same conversations we were having before. The trends are not positive in local terrestrial radio and I. Think everybody who a fan of the medium is rooting for the hang onto the status quo as long possible, because it's really hard to envision any sort of local personality and talent expansion, but that's for podcast. Come in. That's where satellite while it's not local has a lot of quality. That's that might come in. Public radio comes in which is doing pretty well. I looked at the the current ratings in this market and public radio is holding its own in terms of audience, Dave. The ratings by the way have been a little weird the last few months because we don't have drive time to write. That normally would, and the fear was that nobody was going to be listening to the radio because nobody was going to be in the car. During drive times, those fears were exaggerated. The audience has shifted a little bit in some cases from format a format. Sports Radio doesn't quite have the audience did. A few months ago. Understandable sports aren't being played not much to talk about I mean if you listen to the Valenti show now it's a completely different show on the ticket, and it's more about what's happening in the world because there's literally nothing to talk about in the sports world yeah. Yeah, newsradio WW! J. Seems to be holding their own and some of the music stations are in by the way listener ship. Ship and ratings is a very inexact science and radio for those who don't now it's based on a device called a portable people meter. It's about the size of a pager view. Remember having a pager when you're supposed to keep it on your person at all times in a pocket or purse or on a desktop, and that measures what you're listening to, and some people won't carry them. Some people carry them. Because, they want to participate in the survey, but basically the ratings are with a portable people. Meter picks up, and so it's an exact, but sometimes you look at it and common sense tells you that in cases like this, it's probably right. Not Surprising more people listen to news and fewer people are listening to other formats well, and it kind of gives you an idea of trends. You know as far. Far as an exact science I mean I used to work in broadcast. TV and we all used to joke that it's kind of a group hallucination. We all agreed to. You know so. We know that people are listening. We know the trends you know it isn't an exact science, and it's based on sampling and I can share from our experience I mean our listenership. A lot of people worried about. About podcasts in general, and maybe there's some areas that podcast have declined, but for us, listenership is way up throughout the pandemic. We've never seen numbers like this before, and it's frankly was kinda surprising. The other thing we saw is that with us with digital downloads. We know kind of wind people listening to shows you know kind of like when people are downloading and lizzy an idea that it's definitely flattened. Flattened out where it used to be big spikes in the morning in the afternoon, they're still there, but things have kind of flatten out through the day where people kind of consume it as they have time, and here's what's going to happen. You know you're not GonNa one day wake up and told you know sorry guys. We're GONNA. Get a couple of people from Dallas to do daily Detroit podcast. That's not going to happen. Commercial. Terrestrial radio that's been happening for a long time. I mean the format changes always happen. Since the dawn of the medium way that technology is being exploited now by these corporate owners means that there's a lot of looking over their shoulder. It's like one person in media is told me I think the radio people will relate to this every day. They show up. The keycard still works, and they feel good, because they can actually get into the building and A. that's a really tough way to live, but when when you listen to the people on the radio that's. To some extent, that's what they face and for those who really connect with them as personalities it's it's hard to imagine that a corporate accountant would see differently differently. Yeah, BRUTAL BUSINESS! Oh, for sure Matt. I'll wrap this up with you know. What would you do to win in this kind of situation because it feels like these format changes, their constant I mean they've always been in radio, but it's something where across the country you're seeing kind of the same patterns over and over again i. mean it's a large. Large number of cities that this black information network is going out and I kinda thought it would be something where maybe there's some centralized national news, and then some local voices, but as you're sharing a lot of it's GonNa. Be National Guess Yeah Yeah. What would you do to kind of win and rethink it to kind of you know? Give radio another renaissance. It's easy for me to say this because it's other people's money, I'm talking about but I. would think in a market like Detroit I talked about that. That twenty two percent, black audience estimate by Nielsen underserved that you get some compelling personalities local to augment the national programming in Salad, multi-platform in other words, listen to us on the radio. Listen to our podcast stream us and really empower the listener to connect with the personality in the ways that make sense for them I would think that that would be a money maker may require some upfront cost of course and talent fees, or maybe some salaries, and it would have to be well produced and really attentive to. To the audience, but I think it would be a winner especially if some consistency could be established, there's some known quantities in this market like I said there are some real talent people who could host shows and and really deliver audience. If if only given the opportunity, so I'd love to see that, but I'm pessimistic that something like that would happen because these corporations. They're gonNA order. A company wide format flipped to accommodate a network. That's code for. We're GONNA make this as low cost as we possibly can. Matt Friedman is half of the tenor Friedman Strategic Communications Public Relations Firm. Matt thanks so much. Always always enjoy having you on. Thank you always enjoy being on. The four! We let you go. Here are a few things to know around Metro. Detroit we. Have, phase one reengagement of our economy, and we had hoped to take the rest of the phase five, but we dialed it back right before by because we see these numbers increasing so not having bars that are serving indoors That's one thing, but we're going to continue to monitor the numbers of keep moving up. We're going to dial back if we have to insult last thing any of us wants I. Tell You I want to reengage this kind. kind of me more than anyone but I'm not going to do it if it is too risky to do so, and that's why we're saying focused on the epidemiology I'm not going to be bullied into moving before it safe, and if we have to move back, we're GONNA. That's Governor Gretchen Whitmer on CNN on Tuesday talking about the gradual uptick in Covid, nineteen cases in Michigan. The state reported four hundred fifty four new corona virus cases on Tuesday. Tuesday with thirty deaths. Most of those new deaths are due to a record update, but even with that it's still an increase. We now have more than sixty six thousand six hundred cases and six thousand deaths in Michigan the states. Effective spread is down to one point one eight. That's eighteenth highest in the nation, but key here is the virus will continue to grow until we can get that right blow an RT level of one meanwhile the Associated Press. Press reports that a trade group representing the nation's biggest retailers like Walmart. Target and home, depot is urging state governors to require people to wear face masks in public, and while shopping in stores, the Retail Industry Leaders Association told the National Governor's association that different rules around the country are leading to confrontations between angry shoppers and employees who are trying to enforce store rules. Fewer than half of states require masks to be worn in public. The group says. In an exclusive story. You're hearing I hear on daily. Detroit to port lays planning to open a new location in Ferndale. A spokeswoman tells me that the fast casual Mexican eatery plans to open this fall at two three, one, two three Woodward, avenue that's the former site of dickey's barbecue pit, which recently closed. This'll be outlays I store in Ferndale in shout out to our own eagle-eyed producer Cheyenne no Sereni for putting this. We have a blog post up all about it on daily Detroit dot com so spend. That's just north of nine mile on Woodward there. Are you going to miss? dicky's I'm going to be good in a neighborhood where. You're looking forward to the police. I Yeah For sure from ferndale up to sterling heights spin. Are you ready for a road trip to the Golden Corridor? Not really well. That's what Portillo's is saying in their press materials as popular chicago-based hotdog and sandwich chain is coming to Metro Detroit. They're doing their first garage style concept in Sterling Heights off of hall road near Hayes and Schaffner Portobellos. If you haven't been to Chicago Servewell, the Chicago style, hot dog, Italian, beef, sandwiches, burgers and chocolate cake, I can speak to the. The Italian beef but I I have my questions about cake yet. Don't don't need all those things at once. You'RE GONNA. Give yourself a horrible stomach. This isn't the first time. A Chicago staple has made a run at Detroit recently, there was a domino's deep dish pizzeria in downtown Detroit. They closed after a short lived stint near Greektown. The restaurant will be nearly eight thousand square feet seat more than one hundred eighty people inside and have a patio for an additional fifty diners. Intrude Golden Corridor car centric fashion. It will also have a double drive folks. It'll be ready in the second half of next year, definitely good to be able to report a couple of restaurants opening as opposed to closing for a change. And, that's all for today. Thanks so much for listening and be sure to tell a friend about podcast I'm chair stays and I'm spend Gustafsen take care of each other. We'll get through this together.

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A New Leaf For Oak Park As A Bikable, Urbanist Suburb

Daily Detroit

23:01 min | 1 year ago

A New Leaf For Oak Park As A Bikable, Urbanist Suburb

"But I think it's pretty commonsensical to understand that the built environment whatever form that is in and takes has an impact on our quality of life form and function are one and the same to some extent. And I think you know what we're doing is, is recognizing that and saying, you know, we're not gonna build strip mall USA in our inner ring suburb of a major city, and so to compete for great residents and great businesses and be part of this movement. That's going on the city Detroit, which against not transcending the way, I would hope it would we have to do these things to, to get on that same page. That's the voice of Eric ton gate city manager of oak park. And this is an extra boat as additional of your daily Detroit podcast for Saturday, Junaid twenty nineteen. I'm Jerry stays. And I'm spend gossips after decades being known as a dowdy and dry. Suburb oak park is on the rise with a couple of dozen liquor licenses to allow out. A new brewery and restaurants on the way in a new streetscape project to overhaul nine mile road. City is even drawing new residents priced out of neighboring Ferndale sned spoke at ton gate, about all those new projects parks, challenges transit, and what's going on, with that old WWE building on eight mile that's supposed to become a new restaurant? All that more right after this, you know, daily Detroit automatically arrives in your ear buds. Thanks in part to listeners like you by joining us on patriot. New can help ensure that we can continue to produce episodes like this, that pushed Detroit's conversation forward, and you'll get free stickers and other -cational perks as thank you stickers. Make sure to become a patriotic at patriot dot com slash daily Detroit. Joining us in the studio today is, Eric toungate. The city manager of oak park. Eric, welcome today, Detroit. Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to be here. Absolutely. So a lot going on in the city of oak park, and we'll get to that in, in just a moment. I wanted to start by, like you come from kind of, you know, you wear a lot of different hats as city manager, I mean, I was reported for many years. And I always, you know, I learned very early on the city manager in, in cities like oak park, again, without the strong, mayor fulltime mayor is really the person who knows everything you know, that's, that's your, your best source. You have a in particular you have a background in economic development, you worked for the Michigan economic Development Corporation, the Detroit economic growth corporation, you worked for city Hamtramck, Wayne County, etc. Let's talk about park. I mean what is your sort of pitch to business owners that come to you and say, hey, were looking for a new location? And we want to invest Celano park me. What, what? Does your pitch to them? Well, I mean besides that I think we have world class public services, I think anyone would agree with that. And we're, we're various student keeping up our infrastructure. We don't claim to be trying to supplant, the the downtown's around us Birmingham Royal Detroit, etc. But we want to be a very integral part of the larger narrative that is going on. Unfortunately, I don't I don't think the narrative that we're seeing in the city of Detroit specially in the city of Detroit, but elsewhere to it's happening in Birmingham, and Royal oh, just the same on, on lesser levels, but the narrative is not, you know, transcending as much as I think it should that we all have a key role to play in oak park. You know, we're a bedroom community, but our objective is to be the very best bedroom community. Meaning we will provide the highest quality of life who for those who want to live their best life in our community right now. We are targeting. A whole bunch of different public infrastructure improvements that cater to when you come home from work after you've come home from work from your job in midtown Detroit or Birmingham, or whatever that, you know, you can bike with your family's safely bike with your family, or you can partake in activities that you couldn't otherwise partaken. So that's our objective. We also I will say economic development wise, old park is probably the most primed example of policy changes that are now leading to some advancements in one of the best examples is when I came to become the city manager in two thousand twelve oaks park was a dry city. We did not allow alcohol to be consumed in any establishment of restaurants. Yeah. Restaurants bar didn't allow bar, any bars didn't have any and this issue had gone to the voters four previous times and failed and we brought it back to them. We started with the tavern license step in the process, and then we. Put it on the ballot and the voters unanimously supported this effort, because we said to them. Hey, there are twenty five restaurants because we were allowed to have by our population about twenty five licenses. There are twenty five possible restaurants, who otherwise would locate in our community. But won't come if we're not allowing them to serve beer, or wine or whatever it may be with people's dinner. So we've since changed that this has been a few years back now. And we're now seeing this proliferation of, of new restaurants with a brewery, coming, a whole bunch of other interested parties now. And we'll get to some of the specific new developments coming down the pike. What about some of the challenges of oak park, I think a lot of people perceive, a park, it's a kind of an aging suburb. Some of the commercial districts are little down, their luck music fair to absolutely on. This is exactly what I was speaking to a moment ago that, you know, especially nine mile in our one of our largest projects going on right now. Now is a complete re configuration of nine mile road. And most people will note the changes that the city of Ferndale has undertaken on their portion of nine mile and we're gonna continue those changes and actually probably one up some of the improvements that were made to we have a bike path, where we're actually closing to neighborhoods streets, that empty into nine mile and, and turning those into pocket. Parks, really true pocket parks. We're getting rid of two lane miles on nine mile going, westbound, otherwise known as a road diet as bright. That's the popular phase of let me people don't realize I think that Ferndale did that back in the nineties believe because nine mile used to be four lanes two lanes in each direction, and fairly high speed limit and everything. And all the I remember talking to the old you probably met him way, back in the day, Tom bar, when they're you know, old activists city manager, and he told me that, you know, all the businesses on nine mile made you enter. In the back like the front doors were permanently locked, and they'd say go to the back near the parking lots, and they put it on a road diet and encouraged people to walk on the sidewalks and encourage the downtown business owners. Anyway, that's I devote. I digress. But there are reasons to do this. Right. Absolutely. I, I am. I'm an MBA. So I'm not some, you know, urban planning expert or anything like that. I never claimed to be, but I think it's pretty commonsensical to understand that the built environment whatever form that is in and takes has an impact on our quality of life form and function are one and the same to some extent. And I think you know what we're doing is, is recognizing that and saying, you know, we're not going to build strip mall, USA in our, our inner ring suburb of a major city, and so to compete for great residents and great businesses and be part of this movement. That's going on the city, Detroit, which, again is not transcending the way, I would hope it would we have to do? These things to, to get on that same page. You know, you mentioned you're not necessarily an urban est but the things going on a nine mile in particular are definitely very like urban est place making that sort of thing. And I just wonder hasn't been a lot of pushback from on that. Absolutely. There's all things in government, as they rightfully should have pushed back, we would be nonsensical to think that anything we do in any government at any level of government anywhere would be easy and not have detractors, that's actually the beauty of our of our democracy. That the idea is the more debate either pro or against an issue that takes place the better the results. And we don't shun that in oak park, we expected, and we welcome it. I certainly am not loyal to my own interests. Even or, or others. I'm loyal to good ideas, my job there is to promote good ideas and promote the taxpayers highest quality of life. There. Who pay my salary, and so whatever that means we're going to pursue it if we're wrong, we're going to admit were wrong and improve upon ourselves. And we've done that every step of the way but we don't let detractors take us away from what we think is right? And, and just lastly, personally speaking now, public infrastructure is one of the most direct most impactful ways that government, specially local government and state government can affect the betterman of people's lives. And we shouldn't be afraid of that. You know, we're about to build a aesthetic bridge project over top of is six ninety six many people will note that this is uncurling cool. Right. The overpass when, when that freeway was built in the nineties m dot put up these wrought iron, you know, chain link fences along the way that really aren't the most aesthetically pleasing. So if you're. Look at ours. Ours happens to be the chain link version of that on the Coolidge is six ninety six overpass. It's bent and trash collects behind it and so forth. And we thought you know what let's use his opportunity to make an impact and put a stake in the ground and say this is oak park. So for the hundreds of thousands of motorists who daily drive down, I six ninety six coming up here, they will know when they are in oak park, just like when you're on I seventy five and you're going through Auburn Hills and you see what they did this a very similar project. It'll have a major impact and create the sense that, hey, this is a community. That's doing something I travel that intersection more or less on the surface drive, usually all the time. And I noticed in recent years, you guys have had the sunflowers along the, on the service drive along the freeway embankments, which is a nice touch. It goes appreciated by me. At least I'll tell you that. Well, I appreciate you saying that, that was years back. I I'm born and raised in west Michigan. Southwest Michigan and a couple years back, I grew up next to sunflower farms, where I where I grew up in so couple years back, I said, you know what? All these cities are, you know, Detroit is doing things every time I go downtown or something. I see something right? Think to myself, who would have ever thought of that and thought that would work and I'm always mesmerized at the creativity, and I thought to myself, well, heck, in some of these, you know, drab corridors of our city, let's heck with it. Let's plant sunflowers. I mean, there's no more prominence lower than the sunflower or easy to grow as a gardener. So, yeah. I mean it's just, you know, you can't water those things enough, and it turns out that it's just had I can't even tell you the number of letters and emails and phone calls. I have received a lot of which come from senior citizens just saying thank you for brightening, my day. So think about how, you know, in a drab corridor now for a very small amount of money, relatively speaking. We are we are. Affecting the social awareness, improving the built environment making more quality public space but also than making are positive impact people's lives year. I it's incredible. When you think about it or so let's kind of move up to, to eleven mile road between Coolidge and greenfield. That's another big area of focus for the city. And you've got a whole bunch of stuff going on there. Talk about that. 'cause you've got what a new brewery, online, and to new restaurants, now, understand one, and that's announced, right? River Rouge brewery, has announced that they're going to be locating in a in a spot on eleven mile, you know, eleven miles unique in a lot of ways most unique because we share eleven mile with the city of, of Berkeley, you know, it's a pretty dense corridor. I mean, terms of the, the property, distances from the street and so forth. So to me, it's an opportunity for us, especially to now that we have liquor licenses and we, we didn't have an economic development department in two thousand twelve either by the. They had never had an economic interesting. Yeah. But now it's an opportunity to revisit some of these traditionally commercial industrial spaces that right up to the street. And this is what's happening. And you're seeing, you know, there's, there's been some tremendous interest in these spots from restaurants for this very reason. And it's kind of an industrial district now too, and it's been rezoned. We've, we've rezoned it in recognition of things I just mentioned, but yeah, it was traditionally, an industrial commercial district that I it didn't fit with the with the tone of the neighborhood surrounding it, and so forth. But I'm very excited about it because there's a lot going on. We just had a, a company located in one of the larger commercial spaces named boardroom, and they're a, they're a car company, but, but they're studying sort of this, this technology associated with self driving vehicles and, and other things. But they've got a couple of hundred employees in that spot now. So we're very excited about that, too. And we are also just lastly, we are also partnering with Mogo. We're one of the communities have part Mogo in one of the Mogo stations will be set up along eleven mile upstream testings. Well, and when does that sort, not quick enough? I was I just had a meeting yesterday with staff. And, you know, there's it's a lot of balls in the air, we're, we're, we're working with a lot of other communities, actually, the city of Detroit and other partner communities in this. So there's a lot of things going on. And we're all trying to turn our keys at the same time, I would have liked to have seen these stations that the concrete sport in oak park. I don't know if it is elsewhere, but there's no park, but I would have liked to have seen these stations setup an. Active already. I think we're looking at probably the end of July before we actually see it. And we're also worlds can people expect at see Mogo by kiosks in there are I believe five stations strategically placed throughout the city. They'll be one year. The city hall municipal complex. They'll be one along Coolidge, greenfield eleven miles at four, I think there's one more at nine Coolidge, no good on nine and Coolidge is, is basically the center of oak park. Okay. So, you know, talking about all this new exciting development, that's coming down the line. You've got Mogo bike sharing launching later, this summer where do you see a park in? You know, look in your crystal ball and twenty years, fifty years, whatever, yeah. I mean I you know, I I always come back to this, this conversation about mass transportation in our region. Oh, yes. You know it used even as recent as ten years ago, I think the conversation at which point I was. Living in the city of Detroit, which I lived there for ten years, total, but I ten years ago or so the entering suburbs in the city of Detroit had very little in common or far less than they do. Now today, the interim suburbs, especially the entering suburbs in the city of Detroit have everything in common. Their futures are undoubtedly tied to each other. When I think about the lack of fixed light rail, and notice. I'm saying that very specifically, I think of a lack of courage, leadership involves courage in political will. And this is the elements that's missing. What are we talking about after our talking about railroad tracks and train cars? That's not rocket science. It's done all over the world. We can do it here too. It just involves courage and political will I oftentimes scratch my head when I hear other leaders, speak about transit or people in stay. Government, speak about transit or not speak about it at all as if it's somebody else's issue. It's all of our issue whether we have autonomous vehicles or not isn't going to change that Royal Oak is an interim suburb to Detroit. So great about the Thomas vehicles. But people thousands of people millions of people in our region are still going to need to get from point a to point b last time. I checked those points aren't changing downtown. Detroit's not gonna move off to some other location anytime soon. So let's build fixed systems to transport these people back and forth, if we do not do it in my opinion, economic development, wise, cloudy, life, wise, you name it in my opinion. We will not arrive at a world class as a world class region or city, under any terms, this, this lack of leadership on this issue is extremely deficient. It's unfortunate, but somebody has to. Take the has to use the political will and have the courage to take it on. I think going back to the discussion about eleven mile. I think you're the city you guys have a whole bunch of new liquor licenses and my right about that, that you're kind of using as part of your pitch absolutely for these businesses. You know, we, we have I believe we have as many as twenty four liquor licenses currently available while and it's just so unique because where would you ever imagine, you know, in Birmingham and Royal Oak there, they're fighting over these things in, you know, these developers put him in escrow for hundreds of thousands of dollars. And because they are just aren't any available, and then in our town here, we have twenty four or so of them twenty two twenty four. And let's say that for the cost of the application in the permit application, you can get one. It's amazing does. I'm just curious, does park have any restaurants today, that are serving deer wine or liquor. Yes, we do with eleven mile, though, like I was actually. Driving through there the other day. And as I mentioned, you know, it's an industrial district and it dawned on me that because I was thinking about this interview I it don't on me that that's going to be slightly challenging from perspective of that's well off the beaten path for like entertainment food, and drink, you know, options and everything. Do you have any plans as the city have any plans to sort of try to market that as a destination, because it's, it's just, you know, it's not people's muscle memory to cruise down eleven mile in Berkeley. Oh park to look for a place to eat. It wasn't it hasn't been if I could like in that other situation other area Woodward avenue in downtown, Detroit, and the lower Woodward quarter hasn't been in people's psyche, as shopping destination for forty years. That's true that's now changing. So the expectation I have is that the market will drive that. But again, that's also fully aware, we're going in with our eyes wide open in terms of we don't plan to supplant or be a weekend destination. We. To be a really great bedroom community more of a twenty four hour. Right. So when you come home, there's a nice cafe where you and your family can have a drink and dinner. I understand that you're also looking at potentially doing another road diet there on in that same stretch of road of eleven miles out, right? Yeah. We've received some grant dollars to do a study along Coolidge in eleven mile, we certainly will pursue any other portion of the city. There aren't many others beyond greenfield or, or even add like to revisit eight mile with working with them dot in terms of what we're what we're doing there, but we have a grant we're going to be studying. And, and if the results of that recommend that we, we do have road either as well. Then we'll, we'll certainly give some credence. I have to ask you because we talk about it a lot. And I think there's a lot of interest in it. What's going on with union joints? There was supposed to take over that old WW, J transmitter site down on eight mile road and turn it. Into a restaurant, call eight M K, what? And that's been, it seems to have been stalled. It was announced, I think almost three years ago. And here again, you know, obviously the city we want this to move as fast as possible. One of the things that was discovered as part of their due diligence the private developers due diligence union joints. That is was that there were some undiscovered environmental contamination that had leaked into that site who so they are now working to remediate that what kind of contamination do know it I, I don't know the specifics of it, but it was from an industrial site next door to it that had leaked in that they otherwise had not discovered in their previous phase one and two environmentals. We are shared by union joints that they will finish that project and at this point, I have every reason to believe that that's going to happen sooner rather than later. All right, very good. So Eric, we talked to at the top of the show about, you know, the role of the city manager and part time mayor and everything do you plan to stick with the kind of, you know, April? Political city manager administrative role or or as a run for elected office in the cards for you in the future. Do you think well, I'm gonna go in do what whatever I think is necessary in order to improve this world. You know I've got two daughters. I wanna make sure that I'm leaving this world and better hands than when I found it. So whatever that means I want to be selfless in doing that if I can best serve through city manager role or the one currently, and then I'll do, so I, I'm not a cynic. I don't believe the world is getting worse. I actually believe the world is getting better optimistic about the future. And I always come back to the idea that the problems that have been created by people can also be resolved by people. And if I can be part of the resolution of our problems in our society in our state in our cities here in Michigan. Then so be it. So we'll see. All right. Eric toungate is city manager for oak park, and Eric, thanks so much for coming in and telling us about everything going. Thank you so much for. That's our show for today. Friends things for listening make sure to tell a friend about it on Jair stays now. I'm spend gossips and take care of each other. And we'll see you around Detroit. You're listening to the podcast, Detroit network. Visit WWW dot podcast Detroit dot com for more information.

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012920 Total Recall

Ace and TJ

27:29 min | 1 year ago

012920 Total Recall

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That's the question we're going to answer. Today's we step into the time machine for total recall M. I. Evil Plus. I got a little bit of mom guilt. Some great example. That's terrible uses a lot of these things you never should feel guilty about but we got some mom guilt coming up today but we start with. We've told you about about this so many times but this is a great way to give you an example of PJ's crazy memory total recall TJ's total recall. PODCAST has anybody. Anybody seen the video of Michel Barton without I've been to watch did I seems like it's bad. It's bad and you know. She's claiming she. He was under the influence not of her own choosing. Yeah apparently your birthday though. She's hanging over the backyard fence yelling about Z.. Stardust and her mom call her mom names she falls ill. Yeah Yeah. It was on the inside edition last night with dipper North Pole. You know it's not Norville is norval because she souther she will yeah. I think she may have gone to Davidson College which his in the Mothership Market of Charlotte our flagship market. Our home. Mark I think she's from either North Cadillac or South Cadillac. Which one is that says? She was born Georgia. I'll find out where she was raised as it might be. Okay well or Georgia. You didn't did. She say say say she went to David's university. I Graduated University of Georgia. Okay well maybe there was a thing. She did one time feature we. We didn't do a feature one time where she spent a couple of nights or a night in jail died. I don't know I think maybe that may have been in North Carolina Komo unreasonable. I bet he's writer. I bet he's right about that. I know he spent a weekend in North Carolina jail. They're covering tell anybody. Nobody knows caged heat story. TJ Heat Story. I knew I knew she was southern than there was something that I was thinking in my mind about North Carolina. So that's where I came up with all the other stuff but I do two different things Chevy League school jail time yet. Yeah but I mean it was a story yeah it was. It was an investigative report and she went to the Davidson County Jail Lexington. Okay okay there you go. Wow even scarier Davidson standing out to me for some reason see but in all actuality that is exactly what I try. Try to explain to people. That's the difference in the type of memory. I have an identity memory which is a photographic memory. I can't control you know look at a calculus formula and remember it for the rest of my life. It's those types of things that this this comes in here that comes in there and then sooner or later I can stack them on top of each of that and and sometimes it acts as a photographic memory because I can flash to a picture my mind and and see what somebody was wearing when I was a kid at this event or I I can even think of things I as a kid and what I see my my point of view getting into a car I can see for the rest in my life. The seat you know we always had Two doors and the seat raising up on my mom's Delta Eighty eight I. There's there could be one time I got into the car. And that's the one that sticks in my memory of what it looks like in the back seat of the car things that that are not important at all other into drive me crazy only upside. But he's towards your mom's car on the strange but true have good has regan's gotten at knowing which direction to go to find out whether right about what I'm just spitting out in into the Air Davidson. We know we know you're getting close so you know you're not to be doubted so we just gotTa figure where where all the pieces fall. Yeah and when you act impressed with my memory sometimes I am. I'm very impressed. Why should she not be? Everyone's got a memory. You're not the only one with a memory. My wife says it's too. You're not the only one with a memory thoroughly unimpressed. Impressive can't remember. Turn the lights off. Remember wait let me take the trash out. It's not how it work sunglasses. Are you at the time and can't remember to use that credit card to use when you buy those things a few things when you buy gas when you buy you he got us that credit card on your on your shopping spree the key what am I gonNa have to do to get you to remember that. Yeah well go back to one thousand nine hundred eighty eight and do something that sticks in my memory and then I can bring it back and bring it up or you forgot that ten percent off coupon that she had before before you went to the store that you didn't even bother asking about coupons. Oh Yeh and then I just wait so you know and I and what normal people do okay all right well the next time you do something like that. I'm going to show you how it feels. But she doesn't do stuff like so you never know by the time if it does happen but by the time it does happen and jump out and go in. It's already been forgotten the last time I didn't end it just makes it seem like I'm being a jerk off five years for you but you forgot your home and turn around. Come back and get it everything if it weren't for me is the TJ total recall podcast. If you don't know the history of grint win working with the show About ten years ago Gwen worked with us for four and a half years almost five years something like that and then she got married and just went crazy having babies three and a half two and a half one yep so three kids under the age of four joy is a clown car uterus chatting. How could be considered a relatively the new mom? Only you've only been a mom for three and a half years. Yeah still learning still navigating the waters but Gwynn introduced us there that they were she was telling us about her her mom guilt that she has from time to time. Oh Yeah it runs rampant all the time like yesterday for example. I pick up my son from school it and then I take him home and he the girls are asleep and he wants to talk to me and play. But that's when I go to. The Gym is at two o'clock Doc. Because everyone else is sleeping and it's a great time. I'm not really missing anything with them. But now he's home from school and he's up and he wants to talk to me and play but literally. This is the only time I can get that time in. And that's important to me and so I go to the gym to the gym and I feel awful about it. I feel guilty and I like even thinking thinking about Italian. This story almost makes me WANNA cry. Almost you could hear it in her Bush kitten choke because you feel bad like he wants to talk to me and spend time and hang out with me and I want that more than anything to but this. This is my only little window for this piece of time that I also feel like is important. It is because you you know what people people who believe the way you do. Use this phrase a lot. The greater good You know the communist term the greater good. Is that what you're doing purpose for the greater good because you want him as well as your other two kids to have a happy two parent home and if you don't open up and go through that window to get down there and work out. Daddy may not be around very point. I just feel like you're actually doing. It's just like going to work. And that's another one that I feel guilty about. I had the opportunity to stay home with my kids more and I chose to work in. Set my my husband would support me and we would have rearrange finances if I wanted to be home with our kids full-time and I feel guilty that that is not what I want. I like being home with them half today. Yes I like being home I like that. I don't work forty hours a week. Full you know eight to five thirty contractually. That's what we have But GWEN high wind made a list of her mom guilt. That I now are an okay. How about I just have a couple of questions how `bout putting kids in bed the early quote unquote to read? Because I need quiet one time. Yeah so I asked him. My mom friends who have children are slightly older than mine or have been at it longer than me or what they ended up feeling guilty about and that was a big one. Sometimes I just got done with my day to. I need to have a minute to myself whether it's to shut the door and go to the bathroom whether it's to have a sip of wine or drink my coffee hot for the love God you that's the common one and it's just I'll tell the kids go read a book and your room shut the door. It's time for bed even though it's twenty minutes than they should go to bed normally or you know it's here take the IPAD and just watch a show. I know we just walked in the door from school but I need a minute and it's either for the three things to drink. Your coffee ought to use the bathroom in peace or to have a glass of wine allison to take the edge off man. That is crazy so yeah that's a big one feel guilty about it because it's Gaza mine. Yes since you feel guilty. You're like I should be off playing with them and once again you know running leading the show by just want a minute right record. I have a friend WHO's a stay at home dad and he says absolutely absolutely none of those things. TJ's total recall podcast. The mom guilt is just getting started. Wait until you hear the conclusion Asian of MOM guilt bus. We enter the question and my evil. That's all next on told Rico. TJ's total recall podcast. This is the total recall. PODCAST podcast subscribe nowadays. TJ Dot com the TJ APP or through iheartradio radio. More of the total recall. podcast after this the new extra cheesy. Alfredo Pizza from Papa. John's has extra cheese on another three cheese. Blend on Alfredo Sauce on garlic Parmesan crust which is now on your mind and on its way to being your new favorite thing on account of all that Jesus and alfresco fetch. I bet you heard about on the radio. Get a new extra cheesy. Alfredo Pizza with garlic Parmesan crust for just ten bucks. Better ingredients better. Pizza said Papa. John's not valid fees and taxes. Are you entered to win on Radio Family Mondays each week. We'll pick a name random and read on the show sometime after seven forty five eastern call eight eight eight four one s t j within fifteen minutes and win with Radio Family Mondays Days on the ACC TJ show this is the ace and TJ total. Recall podcast. My mom guilt is from yesterday. Yesterday I went to build a bear alone to spend my daughter's gift card because I did not want to spend hours in there so I went and built or bear that she didn't have a good. I played with my son's trained. The locks I don't want him to Jack it up. I try to build the track well and I need him not to be there because he'll pull it all apart and then I'm annoyed that all my hard work so as a little things. Yeah Friday there's ladies at her mom guilt. I had completely forgotten to grab snacks and drinks for preschool. So I sent my a child to preschool with crackers and ice water in a protein shake bottle. The classrooms had something to say about that. Yep so did she just not allow herself meaning extra time. What accounts slipped her but she had in the car O uh peering petty for the love of God? That's all I ever want is to drink my coffee hot. What okay seriously? Does anybody believe that. That's all any woman ever wants. Is that ever applicable L.. Dollars for a woman to say all I ever want is I mean come on. Nothing's ever good enough. It's never enough. I I mean it's not enough that we could afford nice coffee but now you gotta figure you gotTA drink it hot. UH The lady the lady who forgot the snack her mom just kicked it. Does she says another message. Hey I'm only human plus. I made sure to make up for it yesterday. White Cheddar cheese it and one hundred percent organic caprice on the acid bounced back deathbed organic juice box. There you go. Do you take into account who the room mom is or whatever on a particular day or knowing so maybe maybe one day you go a little bit arrays at your level of skill. Watch or something I have carpooled with two other moms and there's one mom I'm friends with both of them close with them but one of them I just know. Is You know just like the rest of us not not perfect and so she's not going to be as cruel or judgmental is more. How does she have it altogether? She she did. Cut The the fruit with a melon ball Korir and make them into the shape of Mickey before she put them in the Dang lunchbox whereas and other mom or just doing like a roll up with some she. He does so on one mom. I know I'm safe with whatever I put in my kids launch the other day. I'm like I'll now. She's going to be in the car. I hope she doesn't look the lunchbox. That's crazy that'd be going the opposite way trying to get him talk. Yeah I'd put put some Oreos and Ding dongs in there with his own. That would actually put a spring in it like when you open up the Qena nuts and it turns out got to be the snakes to pop out of the box and just thing dongs and Ho Hos and all that is flying everywhere all. That's a trap for her. Why are you checking my kid's lunch? That's what you get. He's not just in there with lunch. Don't you worry about. Would I put my kids in line. A lady just go. Yeah the MOMS are there every day judging. I think they know because they're judging when they're they all judge each other it's fun fund that well. Here's One lady. My mom guilt. I lie I lie about the last popsicle being because I wanted my daughter. East the rest of them over the period of time. We had just won't one of their for myself see and that's why so many husbands feel like that. They've got an extra kit in the house. It seems like that you know they say you got two little ones who want a popsicle and then you've got the mom the wife who's supposed to be an adult and she's she's fighting over the popsicle too so it's just like the dad has three kids there and I hear so many all at the same time say that that's their third or fourth I. I think I'm probably the first one but I'm but I just had some head-scratching going on. Hey you know what that does make sense so now it's going to start to happen. It just won't be received as well and his jovial whenever the husband says it hit having having his wife is like another child that he has to govern got a couple more non stop. I'm going to say to the the men to night when he's talking about her having to go get this or that because their friends got it. And what non guys is like having having another kid another high schooler. Isn't it yes. It's going to be so much fun. I love that and that's why People WanNa be around me. Here's the latest her mom guilty. Still Take my daughter daycare on the day. I have off from work. Just so I can spend the day by myself and get the housework done or watching flicks without having to watch her to feel guilty over. Yeah I understand. Joy is in Georgia. Hi Joy what is your mind I send my kids to the babysitter as I get my oldest one to school. We'll send my kids my youngest one to the babysitter two hours earlier just so I can have some peace and quiet before I have to go to work mark. What's on the way right? It's makes more sense just to do carpool together. Actually kind of not no trying to help you out there in short car. Here's a great new and I just I lie about Walmart Walmart being closed. It's a nightmare going that place anyway but with a five year old. It's torture so I tell her. Walmart is close. The car wash is closed all the time. They always want to go by the car. Go in every time we pass them like closed there. But they're out there now closed my kids. Learn what the word riffraff draft means is the acing. TJ total recall podcast. You tell us your situation what you did what you're doing doing what you're planning to do in Tj will tell you whether or not it is it just it's okay ours it evil so hey TJ is this evil. My husband insists that that his t shirts get hung to dry instead of being put in the dryer because he thinks they shrink when I mad at him I purposely dry his stuff. It's not it's not evil but it's really mean and not something you would do to somebody. Love I wouldn't think it mean he wouldn't do that to you. I'm sure it's pretty particularly him. By the why ruin his stuff streak. Why ruin it do use shrink find some other way to to be upset with him? I mean thank hanging on t shirts and hang them well. Okay Eh make them. TJ Able separated and were house sharing sharing with X.. While getting the house ready for the market how sharing the kids stay full-time at the house we rotate in and out of the home. I know a couple that did did this. I don't know how they pulled that off. It's crazy one week. The wife lives there and the husband lived in an apartment. The next week Sunday swapped they swapped and he moved in for for a week and she didn't and the state of the whole time so anyway that's how sharing anyway and thing that can be easier than dragging the kids back. Yeah Anyway there's a Carrie underwood song dirty dirty laundry says all the Jackson the world could clean your dirty laundry so I replaced every type of soap in the House with Ajax. I couldn't help. It saw it at the store and it just made sense so instead of being a bar of soap on the soapdish in the shower. There's a thing of Ajax I would assume it's it's like In the shower it would be the bottom. What do you call it? The liquid liquid soap kind of shower Gel shower GEL. Thank you yeah and report a Jackson that replaced the river and she's really asking if this is evil. Well you know how I am revenge so I would have to wait and see what he what he has done to her. Now you know because I'm more of a WW J. D. thing when it comes to revenge but the Jays not for. Oh Jesus. I wondered who the J. was four. Have to come up with somebody else. Okay but if it's just a we don't get along anymore. Ajax isn't gonNA kill him if he puts it on his skin but he also doesn't know that you do anything probably so the pay off worth it and that's all right This guy this is a guy asking you. TJ If his girlfriend is evil my girlfriend two years says she is miserable in the small town. We've grown up in and she's wanting to move away knowing I have a three year old daughter order. I do not and will not leave behind without a father. So she's basically giving me an ultimatum. Leave with her or stay close to my daughter evil or not. It's not evil. It's her choice as to whether or not you know. She wants the daughters not her responsibility. Put it that way as far as cold as that may sound. It just means that you have to let go which you know happens all the time people give ultimatums and you make them or you don't. I don't think that's evil It could be insensitive but she has a teller. Okay within go I. I'm your your daughter is the most important thing no matter what I wouldn't even consider a what her opinion is on that. If that's what choices either leave you Or leave and you go with her and leave your daughter her saying that to me would let me know. That's not the person for me and here's Karachi also has the right to do it. I'm not come down her for that but I would just say oh well. We're not meant to be together. If that's the way you look and you gotta hear Gwen says she has house one for Emma Evil. Just a little question. My husband can't love Spaghetti. It's one of his favorite meals. He gets very excited if he knows it. Spaghetti eighty nine. I'm Dr up some sauce. Whip it up. He loves Angel Hair Within. Obviously that's the number one choice. I think Spaghetti nights not really really my favorite so to make it more enjoyable for me. I sub out the angel hair with and Spinach Fettucini and I think that is delicious. So now I'm fine having his beloved Spaghetti night more often. Because it's a pasta that I enjoy enjoy more. That's I don't think or I mean does he. Does he likes sometimes. I'll know angel hair. All right all right so I said all right well that we can trade off. No no no. That's fine you trade off. Not usually because he said it was fine. He's just happy to have a homemade meal of spaghetti that he loves odds with my sauce. I know he doesn't really like gathering. Just tell him that women love Angel Hair Pasta okay. You're not even it's supposed to like angel hair prostitutes were. It's for women. Okay now that could kind of be manipulative manipulative in on the on the bad side to tournaments on that he loves okay. But you're I just would rarely make spaghetti if I had to have angel hair. I don't like it And so I'm happy to make him MM spaghetti more often. If I can get a newer that I like or do two different things I offer that I said I had to pot sitting out getting getting ready to cook two kinds of policies that no. That's crazy we'll just have your so. Obviously he doesn't know how to cook passed right now. He doesn't know that it's these thing in the world right did you that. All latch here takes like four but what we now get him into thinking about what Al Dente means and then you forget all of it but what we we have learned that we have learned here that he cares more about her happiness than his own and he doesn't want her doing extra work because she said I'm not GonNa don't do that. I want to to do that. Just you're you're fine. 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The Letter J (Entry 714.1CH0910)

Omnibus! With Ken Jennings and John Roderick

48:01 min | 2 years ago

The Letter J (Entry 714.1CH0910)

"So our sponsor today is Nord VPN, which is a virtual private network. It's a way to get amazing levels of security and privacy. When browsing our line because instead of going directly on the internet. You're seeing all your content encrypted through them. And they're offering you omnibus listeners sixty six percent off a two year plan using the code omnibus at nor VPN dot com slash omnibus. Go to Nord VPN dot com slash omnibus IB. And I be and then use code omnibus to get started today. We are Ken Jennings, and John Rodrick we speak to you from our present, which we can only assume as your distant past the turbulent time that was the early twenty first century during the great cataclysm that will surely befall our civilization. We began this monumental reference of strange, obscure, human knowledge, these recordings represent our attempt to compile and preserve wonders esoterica that would otherwise be lost. So whether you're listening in from an advanced civilization or have just reinvented the technology to decrypt our transmissions. This is our legacy to you. This our time capsule. This is the. You have accessed entry seven one four dot one C H O nine one zero certificate number two three zero eight to the letter j. Have you ever wondered about the letter j I mean, it's the first letter of my name. So I know you it's the first letter of my name is well my last name. Oh jennings. Right. It's fairly common letter in people's names. But not anything else as you would know if you've played scrabble. That's right. It is the fourth least often used letter only use less by z q and x and it's scrabble score is accordingly large it's eight, but I really to me it should be as should be ten like q x z. I'm an eight is x eight I think. Yeah. Q z or ten x j or eight is that right? I mean, we do use X's at least those of us in the adult video industry. Sure. Or those of us who put three Xs on a jug a right of corn liquor, right three. Xs is also the symbol of Amsterdam. And I think maybe Chicago. Oh, really? Yeah. Well, three Xs for Amsterdam makes sense, right? Or at least for that one district three exits for Chicago. But I don't know what's going on there. It said drunk three. I'd just yelling at you about the bears. But also J is right next to the letter I in the alphabet, and they look remarkably similar they both have the little accent on the top the only two letters in the English language that that carry a diet critical. And is that a jot or a tiddle, well, it's called a tiddle the little dot over the top of an ion Ajay are called titiles. I'm titillated, and they originally were there to distinguish the letter I first of all from other sort of squiggle squabbles. In fast written calligraphy because it's true though, when you do right? It's script lettering. Very fast. Everything is kind of a bumper a peak. Right. And you see this in the use of of little critical in? In Iraq, or or Turkish other languages that are original Turkish script, a other languages that are very much this kind of fluid angular language. Well, I guess fluid and angular different descriptions. But like if you're right the word minimum. And you're not super careful about your mummum that I mean, it's just a sign wave. And then you put a few dots on it. Look at that. Yeah. That's right. And originally they were they were much more slashes, but they eventually sort of consolidated down to dots. Is that right? They used to be slashes. Yeah. If you look at ancient manuscripts in old English or or similar scripts old friend. She'll see that the dot over the I is much more of a little Zing now. I feel bad. It used to be a big, bold swabs or slash in. Our we've pushed it back onto a little reservation. You know, it happens as particularly as typefaces were were introduced, you know, it was much easier. I guess to have dot, and it seemed more. More elegant at the same time. But I being an ancient ancient letter is where all of this type of graphically will you you aren't engine engine rudder by an ancient letter, Ken. I am the letter j moved forward through time, I've arrived here in physical form to tell you. I have come to tell you all. All. I come bring destruction and death. So the letter is one of the oldest letter. It's very old it originated in well in ancient Egypt as a hieroglyph, meaning a leg with a hand or leg first. And then they not know that rags have feet well in ancient Egypt people walked on their hands and and use their feet as hands. So your feet also. Backwards backwards makes sense. It was adopted into the Phoenician alphabet, I meaning leg and back. Then you need a whole letter just to mean leg because he were writing it a lot like so many amputations back then right? And the letter I meaning leg was pronounced yoga in Phoenician yoga, and so I- originally had kind of your sound, then as it migrated into Hebrew, and in in the semitic languages the letter. I means arm also pronounce your really, yeah. But as time went on, and he volved in Greek into a different sound from yet to e or I I'm sorry. As in the word, I Odessa the letter. I became I oughta I mean, our vow. I when you think of it doesn't really exist. It's a diff- thong that you get by saying. And then E, right? Just try to say just try to say you can't do it. It's not one Cy. I I saw a lot of languages don't even have a letter that does just that like in Spanish yet to put together an A N A Y to get that sound. And there are quite a few of those combination letters a e or o e that over the course of the evolution of language. It was decided either that they would consolidate into a separate sound of owl. For instance. I mean, a lot of our bowels are we can use a for. We this is part of teaching my daughter how to spell and how language works. It's often frustrating for her. And I think even for us to know exactly what you know, you say like e e sound except in this instance, it's the letter off imagine how English has become the world's kind of defacto second language, even though it's the worst. Imagine some kid who's been raised speaking Spanish or a talion or some purely phonetic language, right? We're spelling is not even a thing. There's no such thing as spelling bees because everywhere to spelled how it sounded. And every word is pronounced how it's spelled. And then they have to learn this monster hybrid chimera language of half German half French bastard language, where sometimes the letters h say who is in through or they could say, oh, isn't though they could say office in cough. They could say off is in rough often run. It could say, ow. As in bow. I in bow missing something I say, oh, oh, isn't though. Right. It could even be up as in hiccough. Here's the hiccups. Spelled with a G H at the end, right? Hit cough. I know right, right or. Yeah. Right. Jeff the the name Jeff G G H G O, Jeff. So it's just a minefields like, and it's all purely arbitrary, and it's one of the hardest languages to learn to to write era as to right end to speak fluently as the letter. I kind of the litter I was one of the original ones that had this sort of multiplicity of pronunciations because as it transferred down through all these different languages, each one sort of chose a different way of pronouncing it by the time it got to Latin. I'm most commonly in Latin was used to make an e sound like Vive, Vive vici or. Carpet. Diem Harpej diem is the D C's the d that's my that's my girlfriend used to say, but infrequently inland. It could make a y sound like it would be like it'd be the start of a word. It would be like I am another vowel like a or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it was you know, what else you know, how they pronounce the letter. I in Rome. Oh one. Oh, of course, they thought they thought I'm in one dummies. In fact, the origin of the construction of the Jay, which is basically just an eye with a swoopy tale was actually as a Roman numeral in a succession like for instance, if you were writing thirteen Jay was a Roman numeral Joe J was an provide never saw rocky VJ. No this by the time. The rocky movies came out Latin had really volved. So the Latin of I did not. Aww it on the line of Ivan Drago, right? Are very different are evolutions. But like he can say yo Adrian with an I o could say, well, yeah. Yoyo? Adrian or or yo Adrian with a j if you wanted to use the Spanish pronunciation of the letter j. It would be that be like, the German prince Asian Spanish, that'd be ho-. It'd be hope a mean thing to say to Adrian Adrian, Colorado. She's a virgin she works in a pet store. Right. Yo yo Adrian would be also like in how alluvia Ajay used as a as a ya sound. But we'll get to that. I didn't mean to jump north. You didn't say didn't mean to yomp. The J was originally the last I in a series of three is in Roman numerals. So it would be, you know, thirteen would be x I j it was kind of a way of closing out the number. So Mr. T appears in rocky. I j I j so that was the first use of it. But I think only not not if you were doing three, but thirteen it would be sort of at the end of a longer series. You only do it with the thirteenth enough three because three would be all I guess this. It gets longer. It's more of a more of an Eiffel. This sorta process this was more of an accent. If you were a Florida writer it wasn't necessary. Oh, it was just a sort of. It was an affect taste of flourish is right. But it introduced the look and feel of the letter j but also as so it does seem like letter the letter j is kind of. More flamboyant letter it well, a little over the top look put a J in a wine next to one another which is the fancier letter when I was a kid in drama club letter j told me it was okay to be weird. That's what I'd let her. Jay, we owe a lot to the letter j those of us who live on the freaky side of life. Jay is like one of the freaky, est letters, right? Yeah. I is like a square he's on. He's one of the normals. I mean cute because q is is the founding letter of queer Q is a little clearer than Jay q gets a Q gets a lot of accolades now. But Jay is just I who's decided to chart a different course in his life. I mean, the weirdest thing about is that it's an open. It's got a tale. So it's kinda got the J thing going on. But then have you ever seen? How you're supposed to write a capital Q in cursive lettering. It's like a yes. The big letter to. Yeah. I'm not in favor of the capital Q in cursive. It looks awful. It doesn't look like any of the other letters, no accuser. Should look like an egg being penetrated by sperm that is. It was to the Phoenicians. Well, it's what it is to me. They had a whole letter the author that just a mean, fertilization what else in all of nature is a big sell with a little tail coming out of it. When I was a kid. I think we said it was a kitty cat. Oh, it's like the end of a cat listening at from the front some animal with a tale. Come. There would be a letter that would be a numeral eight with a tail we numeral eight being Ben as burn we didn't say the asset and. None of my teachers ever compared any letters to the asset of anything. But you're right. Jay is kind of freaky as well. As the letters go. It's it's out there. It's doing its own thing. It doesn't care what people say, that's right. And it's a letter that has a lot of different a lot of different sounds a lot of different selves. You gotta know it for a while. It's not just one thing. That's right at first you think o j sure I know Jay Banjar valley, and he'll reveals it's like, a guess it opens the KOMO no in a phrase that your fellow computer. Scientists would use. Yeah. We're always saying that the first the first person to introduce the word loader letter j as a separate letter was an Italian by the name of Jones Giorgio receive. No. And you can understand why he why he had such a fiction for the letter j although his name was spelled with G. Right. It would not. Be John Giorgio with Georgio. So today's entry is brought to us by Nord VPN. Can you explain to me what Nord VPN is? I am a computer guy in a past life. This is a virtual it's one of the most reliable and recommended a virtual private public. It's a virtual private network. That's the whole point dole air when you browse instead of getting directly online if use a VPN it's essential. It's like a proxy the stands between you and the internet. You log on to Nord VPN's private unsustainable. 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So the letter j has an inventor, the Leonard j says this guy is trying for days to make a new letter to make the just on a finally he comes up with it. Well, he as language evolved. There were all these additional sounds that were being used in spoken language, and there were convoluted ways of trying to write the sound in language. As as Waterson examples. Well, like, so for instance, the name of Jesus was pronounced us in Greek. And spelled with an eye uses his the Greek pronunciation, it's kind of a plot point in the third Indiana Jones movie. Oh, really do. You mean a home? Hello, Mr Guy. Sure does have a set of Honus. Now. Do you not do you not remember this? There's a Sean Connery has been studying the grail traps his whole life. Right. And he knows there's going to be you have to spell out the name of God. He's the only one. He's the only one that calls him, Indiana. Right right now. No, no, he calls in Geneva junior Kenya. Because they named the dog, Indiana. Right. So as soon as Henry Josey or leaves home, he pretends he goes to college and pretends, he's he's named for. He takes his own dog's name. It's very odd. Yeah. The his origin story Lee asks more questions than it answered. Not really clear why he would identify with like he always thought his dog had such a cool name that the second he left. He was like. Yeah. My name's browser. Well, I always wanted to be named Peter was at your dog's name. No, not at all. It was a family guy knows pre-famine got. I just thought it was Scott. Oh, no. It was kind of. It was like, I I loved Winnie the Pooh. And I thought Christopher Robin was. Great name. But somehow I felt like Peter was like a Christopher Robin like name for our time for our time. I mean, it just felt it. I don't know it just felt so English like Puta, it does feel respective like, they're, you know, all those blatant books would have little British group boy in short pants named Peter right heater. Exactly. Right. So they get to one of the traps between them and the grail. And it's basically a giant boggle Bordon. There's all these letters written on tiles on the floor. And he's like, oh like you have to spell out the name Jehovah, and you see Sean Connery in his he's been wounded at this point. By an earlier errand Nazi bullet. I think and and somehow he knows what Indiana Jones is facing. And he thinks Latin Jehovah starts with an I. Yeah. An Indiana Jones is a dummy and he's like Jehovah, easy j. And he steps on the Jim crow falls through the floor and nearly dies her. Right. And there's a Rolling Stone the gathers. No moss somehow in that. No. No, no. That's the earlier earlier. But this whole seems improbable to me. Now, if you're saying that I did not exist separate entities at the time. When the knights Templar would have been building their trap. Well, this was the this. Oh, yeah. That's right. It is implausible on a Jay which would be a great trap if the twentieth century person. But I guess that's just the fourth thought that God inspired in the knights Templar to make sure that the grail was well guarded. He was like in the sixteenth century. The Italians get into the letter j it's going to be a super tempting fake answer. It might be. The that. It was just a Knight Templar who had a seizure at that moment or Templar that slipped on a wet rock. He was trying to do a you. And then they're like lunch. I gotta go. In Hebrew, the name for Jesus is Yeshua, which is spelled with a y. So nobody uses the J except for evangelical is with their WW, J, bracelets or drama kids. Who's who? Call Jesus Christ superstar JC superstar. Well, this is all subsequent to tra- Sinoe who realized that the name of us use as it morphed in Latin had become Jesus. And although you could make a sound with GI as in for instance, John is his name. But there was a harder. There was a harder. Jay, it wasn't quite Sepe. It was Jesus a much more upright sound the sound. He was trying to get at a different sound than the Italian soft g right? It was a interest. And it was a different soft G like in the word jam. And and you could you could make a case that g. E as in the word like general accomplish that same sound. But there was interesting oes estimate the need for a new letter. And today, you know to tell you would just say, yes, sue, right? Like he would he would use the actually in Italian now. It's pronounced Jason Jason. So oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. GE would be like Jit like general. Okay. So this is the Lord of this is this new a new sound or enough of a new sound that a new letter was deemed necessary. Because they wanted people to say at the Italian way, but to be able to spell it without the the old fashioned way. And there was no way to do that. Because if you spell it with the I would just be. Us as I see. And there were at the same time a lot of importation of foreign words because this was an era of exploration. This is the sixteenth century. And in Italy. Sure. So we're coming back Marco Polo, and so forth are coming back from the far east with all these new words like Tajikstan, and author buzz, John and the Taj Mahal, and there is a certain sound Zhou sound that normally would have been spelled with the Zhou. An I a or what are some others or does spellings of Asia like Giorgio it would have been a GI today today, we would use Z H. But I feel like that that only comes after we get some Romanisation of Chinese, right? That's right. We we say as Chinese is the h but it would have been. Very difficult to spell like Taj Mahal as you couldn't put a gay. But at the end. Targeting tag Tegui. Right. So the J then started to be used in the Latin ization of sort of eastern or an words words that were already pronounced with these ya. But they needed a a letter that could sort of fill in that place like other buzz, John you have by John B a I if you had G A, and that would have been a very weird way of of throwing those two sounds together as a spelling so the modern Roman alphabet was only twenty five letters until relatively recently. It's like adding a start of the American flag. We thought of a new letter a new letter to represent multiple different pronunciations that formerly were either. I y or g put the addition of other vowels, we have just enough Joe's in Asia's inter into the pronunciation that. That this new letter which was basically just an eye with a swath sort of rose up into the Pammy on into the graphic on. There are other languages that use the Roman alphabet, but have added their own letters. But typically like combinations of letters combinations of letters or letter or Latin letters that have some sort of exotic or dia critic around some some flourish. Like when I was in Los time, I was in the u k I saw a Welsh scrabble set for sale. Did you buy it? Oh, please. Don't all just because on the cover. You can see that the high scoring tiles, but ten point tiles are all things like R H and C H and L L, which to us would seem like they're double letters to them to a Welshman in our age, as you know, as a Welshman bright like R H is just a a letter of their alphabet LL is pronounced entirely differently. Spanish dictionaries used to have L L in a different section and same with C H like you would look. All the seas. And then you see all the I think they merged that at some point. I think it changed about twenty years ago. Well, the as we talked about earlier in German, the pronunciation of j then was adopted into different languages with very different pronunciations. We we use J often as a job like just or jump. It's almost always that kind of de Deasy thing sound, I think is how it looks on the phonetic alphabet. Right. But you see your C J as y'all just as often like Hallelujah or just as not just as often. I'm sorry. But yes, like in borrowed words because that's how it's used in Scandinavian languages, right? You're right. You're again in fjord, and and German, and then as you said in Spanish, it's it's a silent letter or or it makes an eight. Havi air Jose and Hala Pinyo Holly SCO how lease go. But interestingly Jay is the the last letter added to the bet twenty bucks hot on everywhere. Well, even though apparently everyone was doing just fine without it. And then this Italian guy makes it up and other languages were like, oh that could be our h sound that could be our y sound right. We can use that as a substitute for these. Awkward combination. Supposed they were doing where we were doing. And they were just doubling up and having IB everything is that right in for the most part and then with a separate letter. You could assign the different pronunciations to I or I with a tail. Yeah. But interesting that Jay would become a consonant rather than another vowel form. Yeah. Though, we we often use it sort of owl Listrik -ly. We also use it con- some kung Constantinople cons sewn. Italy. We use it constantly. So the the adjective avowal is vocal I think or VocalTec, but I don't know what it is for. I think it's just constant and Tom subcontinent is its own adjective. Right. But actually, they're very often in in English up through the nineteenth century. There was a twenty seven th letter of the alphabet a special bonus. Let special bonus letter, which is the amp sand. The percent was often included in descriptions of of the English alphabet. We still do where we sing w x y and the the the next to last letter. It was originally w x y z and well that doesn't sound good. It doesn't sound as good and the emperor percent. If you think about it is a combination of the letters E N T which in Latin represented et which is and we call that a ligature to letter stuck together. Like when English people put their AM together like weirdos. Why would that need to be? There was only used to mean. And or was it used anytime you knew than ENT together? So and meant at or an was pronounced at in Latin or the word for and was at inland like at all at all or et cetera. But as ET became a amp sand, and was sort of regarded as a letter it started to be pronounced as you were. If you were speaking in Latin at which was fashion at the time you needed to distinguish amp sand the letter from amp percent, the meaning. So if you were reading the alphabet, and you got to the letter amp sand, and you wanted to distinguish it from the word, and which was it was confusing. Right. X Y Z. And right. Like, why is and the letter in you have to explain it's not a word this letter and not the word end. Right. And so it was. So they got to the end. This was before the song, they got to the hand of of the alphabet x y z and but in Latin if you were describing a letter like the like the letter A or the letter is that also were words, you would after saying the name of the letter you would say per se. Which meant in and of itself. So if you said if you were describing the letter, I and you said, I you, but you didn't mean the word I would say, 'i per se, I meaning I in and of itself, I not the word. That's how you would say the letter. I the letter I is I- per se I or the letter A per se, but when Ian t at became its own letter in the in that form of the the mash together. Yeah. The end the end when they would say it in the course of of the alphabet, they would say and per se, and and students, you know, were reciting this in the in the course of learning the alphabet, they would say and per se end and over the course of time that became the word anchor sand before they had the alphabet song. There was a Ingram. Ryan the English shoulder would use was called out apple pie ABC, and it's all pie themed. I guess. That's what children were into like says a give me a good large slice says be a little bit. But nice says see cut me a piece of crust take. It says D it's drives us and all these poems end with an percent like while emperor sand purloined the dish and four another pie did wish like because that's how it all had to end had to come down to anchor sand. Somehow he did it and when when the popularity of the much easier to remember and recite ABC song came into common usage. It was actually it's actually credited with the death of the amperage that really. Yeah. That we got to x y and z and the end didn't. There was no notes for it. It didn't move over into its position naturally should be. If it was truly a letter should have been incorporated into the song. In the in the way, the song was written out. Our of that song is the same melody as frugal Twitter are and baba, black sheep and Mozart. I think helped popularize that he he dropped that. Up into a piece was writing before like love it. Love it. Somebody realizes this matches the bet ABCD g inches. Holy cow. This is perfect. Hi and Bethnal from our doctors, and I'm Peter mcnerney from the story pirates, and where parents comedian and the hosts of Reno's parenting. That's true. But here's the thing. If we're being honest, we don't really know that much about parenting. I mean, we do have a two and a four year old and we've managed to keep them alive. But seriously is there a right way to do this. Are you asking me? I got nervous there each week. We unpack what we know. And don't know about how to raise kids. Well, our kids we'd never met your kids. So really, I don't know what to tell you you want expert opinions child psychology, cool parenting hacks. I'm sure there's a show for that each week on our show. We share our personal parenting triumphs and failure and failures. Already. Say failures because we knows parenting is hard. Maybe you can relate you can find. We knows parenting on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I wonder if people had been trying to fit the alphabet onto a lot of different melodies like ABC d. Probably didn't work as well. Eight hundred staff they're like ABCD. But, but there's the whole line at the end, you could be like w x y z and you could be like an per se and m percent, amber, amber empress, and but that would have been like ten amp percents, which isn't how the alphabet was written, even then, but it could be w x amber sans. The accepted. They did the other order out. Why? Oh w x why percents? The w x y percents. Exactly is E percents and pretty cool. But yeah, that was the moment at which amp San stopped being incorporated into the alphabet. Here's the solution. You do it like the fifty teams, and you go w x y z and then I. That's how you do it. Then nobody forgets comes on. But as we gained the J and then over the course of the next couple of hundred years we lost the anchor sand. We also in written English lost another thing and only in very recent times, which is to written letters the OT. And a thing. I was talking about in like encyclopedia. Onsite the pay. Hey, defile, right. And those were letters which were used to to make this sort of Greek dip phone this kind of. Sound which persisted in written English fancy English all the way up until the twentieth century, in fact, in college I had a professor of linguistics who insisted that the word encyclopedia was pronounced encyclopedia. And most frustratingly insisted that onomatopoeia was pronounced on Amman Avia. And he would not let you get away with onomatopoeia. It was on a mutt. Avia because you have the end e. The only need letter followed by an eye in an eighth basically four vowels crammed together. But it's not true. Right. It's a no he is just right. Well, so as an for a while here in the twentieth century that this was one of the signifier of whether or not you were reading something in British English or in American English because we gradually eliminated that combined vowel in favor of just the letter E's earth differences world book encyclopedia was always pedia. Whereas encyclopedia Britannica had the Frankenstein letter. Right. And there are there instances where we just separated Owen the and left them both in like Phoenix. But it's pronounced as an e you don't say phooey Knicks did this guy this guy college ever moved to photo, you Nick, he didn't he did not say who mix. But if you think about a lot of I mean, most European languages create quite a few addition. Sounds with the introduction of die critical marks. And we in English have eliminated effectively all of those reducing most of those sounds downtick. Awesome. I always feel bad that peop- for people in languages where they have to. They have to hold down the a on their phone and see all the little lots or whatever we've got heavy metal bands trying to keep it alive for us. Right. Yeah. But there's an overuse of whom lots there where the where the whom lot does actually not change the pronunciation, none of the pronunciations. Like, I say Motorhead the same. I say motley Crue or head does queen's Reich have one at queen's Reich. Absolutely has won. I mean, spinal tap has them. And there's no change in the pronunciation that puts it on the end, which I think is a very funny. So how do you feel as someone who starts with the letter j do you feel proud that kind of the weirdo? Outlier letter is your totem your your spirit letter. Well, you know, when you were arranged by alphabet in elementary school and everyone lined up it was usually by last name. So R is a perfectly legitimate letter for last name, and it's really more a question to you like were there were that many other Jays? I imagine people with last name starting with a or b. There are probably always quite a few of those. There's research on people whose last name start at the end of the alphabet people named young hausky or whatever in that later in life. They become their worst impulse control because they spent their whole childhood waiting to be called. Right. And so when those guys opportunity like if they see something they will not wait for a sale. They're all they're the ones buying weird stuff at the checkout line because they're like me now, finally, yes, it's Mr. cow skis time, but being in the middle of the pack. I never really noticed when we learned when we had to write are learn how to sign our names in the phonetic. What do you call the the sign alphabet finger spelling? Yeah. That's right. Gay is one of the letters. You have to do a little floors. Again, you do a swot Ganzi or the only ones that actually have middle's washes. So when Jay z has signed his name, of course, he's he's all over the place. What was great about being John? Even though there were an awful lot of John's when I was growing up. I mean, that's not a very popular boy's name. Now, but in nineteen sixty eight when I was born if you didn't name your kid, John there was something wrong with you. You had to explain why to the magistrate. Yeah. The the only names really were John Matt, Luke. No, no wonder you wanted to be Peter. I wanted to be. So he was the most novel exotic name, you could think of sure will. And he goes, you know, he ends up. He's the only one that got the hell out. He was the great adventurer to syllables. But what was great about John was that there were so many different pronunciations of J as that name migrated around the world. So I could be one I could be gene, I could even be used or. Yes. Sean. That's right. Or what is it Ivan Ivan, right? I'm not sure. But. Yeah. Probably or e. Well, Janas was the was sort of at where devolved in Greek. So in Greek though, so it was really fun. I think as someone named Brian when it was like, well, what would that be in Spanish? It's like, I don't know Bryan, Bryan. Br there's not a lot of ways you could go with it. That was me being Ken why I had to be punch show or goose I just to make something up creek. And I was so jealous. There was a kid named Jim shoemaker next to me in class, and in Spanish, she could be high MS Petero, high maize oppa Tara's both his name's translated assorted mine as John Roderick. I was on your like Zoro freaking Zora. I am my name my name instantly went in all directions because you know, Roderick was the last king of the Visigoths. So there are a lot. Everybody had the word rod or had the name Roderick. It's in some way or another in their language. Do you feel like you're going to be the last king of anything from the last king of this? Show last king of rock and roll, Jon Rodrick. And that concludes the letter j entry seven one four dot H O nine one certificate number two three zero eight two in the omnibus listeners. We are confident that you live in a paradise of a world with even fewer letters Neil again. I think that's what that's what we're striving for by the time future. Ling's are speaking English and listening to English there's probably only twenty two letters to the you get rid of see just us. Yeah. Just use us in K and get rid of g and just use. I guess j I vote for. I mean, I'm writing for the letter j at this point get rid of x tissues ks for that matter getting rid of. I know I guess we need I. Oh, and I are grammatical. We need me as what you mean we need. Well, me per se me. Oh, we make each other laugh put in your ten runner paradise, we presume you have no social media lucky, but we live in a lesson light and time when we demonstrated our commitment to the ideals of the omnibus project by wrapping it all over the internet. 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We hope in fact that we incorporate Chinese letters and Arabic script into the English language. The great absorb and we call that the Bladerunner future, that's the blade runner future. That's right where where in blade runner people can speak to you in a pigeon, Japanese, and you understand it perfectly. But you reply in English, which they understand perfectly and. Yeah. And also all the signs are in Japanese and Korean text, but the Asian characters just speak English. That's right. Everyone is it's a polyglot nation. But no, one can decide what the languages or. No, one can decide decide what the lingua franca. No. That's not true the lingo, Frankas English. Isn't it? But the ridden everything's written in Japanese and Korean basically, we can genetically engineered snakes. But everything else is just a garbage. Well, you know, I think actually it's it's probably presiodent because by that point in time. We'll all have Babel fish inserted in our years like that little that little bug that that con- sticks in the year that Richard guts. Well, that would makes you crazy. Yeah. It does was that a red shirt or was that one of the main characters they cut them to everyone wears a red outfit. So I guess everyone's a redshirt. But it's Chekhov and his captain like, you know, check out. It's not going to die. You know? It's going to be the noble block guy. Oh, so it was it was the the bug win and checkoffs here and his and captain Terrell, but Terrell was the one that died from it, and they got it out of checkoff. Yeah. Conveniently it's one of these horror movie things for the black guy dies and the white guy just screams a lot and get saved. Well, I mean checkoff is a slob. So always screens. I don't know if they just wanted to make the Russians cowardly at the head of the Cold War. You can't really see like McCoy screaming though, can you? I mean. He would just go. Dammit Kirti just say damn it louder Kirk like yells at the sky. Fists above his head. There's not a lot of screamers on the enterprise knowing you would think it would be Sulu. Why? A war cry like the time he asked the sword. No. He kind of. I mean, he became a little bit more of a screamer in popular culture. He does quite a bit of like. I don't know what you're saying on stage screaming now, I mean, I've been on stage with him, I guess so and he screamed ally let out a great yell a great yellow of gratification to be celebrated by the nerds. Oh is that? Right. And then you're like I'll have what Suess how I'll have to lose having. If the worst comes soon by which we mean, all languages reduced down to one letter just said over and over a ultimate glitch in the matrix dirt or the only letters dirt or this recording. Like, all recordings may be fun. It could be our M percent. This could be our final word per se word to coin the phrase, but Dir per se d'oeuvres, but if providence allow yu-su if Jay sue allows. Yeah. Right. If his who's allows I love this like what what would the word end up being if it was Dirk per se Dir dirt per se Dir dirt Dipsy dirt. What you call? It's what you call us for dumb person derp, cedar. Let us begin coining. It's now new meme. Thank you, do if Zeus Janos allows we hope to be back with you soon for another entry Leon above. Today's entered in the omnibus is brought to you by Nord VPN. I installed Nord VPN on my phone this week. And I was up in browsing within seconds with amazing unparalleled levels of privacy and security by using their private network instead of going on the internet directly, and we're offering you sixty six percent off a two year plan using the code omnibus at nor VPN dot com slash omnibus. That's OEM an IB US omnibus.

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Episode 76: WWJD with Shelby Seelinger

The Bible Says What!?

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Episode 76: WWJD with Shelby Seelinger

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Bmw the podcast and sign up to be a supporter of the show your episodic ties of a dollar more will give you a chance to win. Prizes gain early access to each episode. Listen to unaired conversations and much more that being said. ww jd. If i do not love or believe in the christian demi-god or his wrathful vengeful father. What happens to me if i decide to say bad things about galway ghost. What will jesus do to me. The christian poster boy for peace wants to throw me into a lake of fire for eternity. The bible says in matthew thirteen forty one forty two that jesus and his anjelica army will toss me and my atheist children into a fiery furnace for our sin of disbelief. Second thesselonians one. Seven through nine says that the christian demi-god we'll be punishing nonbelievers with everlasting destruction. Jesus me wants you to turn the other cheek but clearly. He does not practice what he preaches. Let's start the show. Is there anything in the bible that you yourself have an issue with Took it took you reading the bible to realize that for bad for you on your own. Did ed bundy could be redeemed. God doesn't kill children. What do you think the path you always decimal system and the old animal. He's able to forgive you today. Special guest is the author of do what jesus would do. Welcome to the show. Shelby ceiling Welcome thank you for having me. I appreciate you being here. Appreciated it so tell us a little bit about that book of yours. Well the book is a told my my wife when i finished it. It's the longest sermon ever written Back in back in the dark ages. When i was going to seminary was about the time that W w j d what would jesus do was making the rounds and write. A lot of conversations can seminary about that and i had a serving the church at the time and and we discussed it. A lot and i had several servings on it and i got to thinking about it and i said well. That's an interesting question. But what's the answer. So i took twenty plus years and and the last four years in in writing the book and and decided to finally answer the question And so that's the genesis for do what jesus would do taking it from a question and then putting it into action. What did you find out. I'm just dying to know well It's something. I had had preached on for a long time. And it's it's taking well it did was i took the beatitudes out of matthew. Five and just took that part of the the sermon. It's the that whole series of Verses and chapters is the largest single piece of Literature that we have that jesus spoke at one time. And i said well i can't do the whole thing so i wanted. I looked at it. And i decided that the beatitudes the heart of what jesus i think was really trying to tell us. This is how we should treat one another. you know. be kind to one another Help those who are less fortunate than ourselves and put into action. What jesus ministry was all about reaching out to others one person at a time. So you've taken this one sermon. This one on speaking of jesus and this is this is what you are politics for these jets. They always at the same time. I'm recording if taken this one sermon and this is this is how you are viewing. Jesus you're taking this and this is going to be your Interpretation of his character is and and and you're taking you blessed are the poor or the meek and and people who suffer essentially exactly exactly and I cover a couple of other things. In in the book you know the the power prayer And those kind of things and if if you look back in if you're if you study the words that The bible uses blessed be. I mean that's a blessing. So jesus is really saying you know you're blessed if you if you do these things so that's that's really you know. Today is all about getting something out of it. Not just doing something we seems like. We have to rewarded when i was a kid Mom and dad would say if you clean up your room you can go out to play or you know nowadays if if you If you meet your quota at work then you get a bonus that by doing what jesus asks us to do. We are blessed in ways beyond just getting to go out and play or get a bonus from work. It's it's still a reward though right still get your at the. It is good. It is but the reward is in heaven in that scripture says you know neither moth nor ruskin destroy that blessing and it's permanent Quick question matthew. Five three in luke. Six twenty are kinda different there Matthew five says the blessed are the poor in spirit and luke six says the blessed are you who are poor First off how you poor in spirit at that doesn't sound good and and which one which one is it was talking about poor in spirit or do you have to actually be physically port blessed and is all the people to have a certain mentality. I don't think we have to be poor You know the rich young ruler said. I've done all these things now have to do. And she says sell everything trump on me You know but being tour as in monetary. Since we don't have to do we don't have to be poor are in. That's that's where we are and we ought to be not necessarily camping in it but Realize that there are people beyond us who are in more difficult situations even if we are poor monetarily. No poor in spirit. I believe it Means blessed are those who are poor in spirit for there is the kingdom of heaven. It's it's i'm trying to find. Find it in my book here So i can give you feel. I can tell you exactly. Yeah i said says you know in my book. I say that You know numerous people hear this and cringe. The i speaking of the rich young ruler selling everything and giving it away seems to run counter to everything. They've been taught everything that we've we've understood life to be as far as acquiring things but poor in spirit. I think really means we're humble And we react with humility. Blessed are those who are humble before the lord humble before their neighbor Out and help those less fortunate because when you reach out to somebody you have to. You have to make yourself vulnerable. You're vulnerable to Rejection you're vulnerable to People say all sorts of things about you. Oh well they're just a goody two shoes or whatever but in reality the poor in spirit means that you're willing to To be humbled to be vulnerable to to to be the tool that jesus really asks us to be interesting. So let's go into the merciful part. Let's go to matthew five seven just a little bit down the way Blessed remember civil Do you believe that you always merciful. God well it depends whether you're looking at an old testament new testament god There are plenty of examples in the old testament. Where god y'all way. is a very vengeful guy but you can also find instances in The old testament were guide is very a helpful. Aiding gun As you know. He helped get him with his issues. You helped moses and So to say the god is a vengeful god. I don't think that fits today I think god is a loving caring. God who wants to be an active part in our life. So that's kind of how. I how i look at that. So how do you correlate the vengeful and helpful. How does that work if he's vengeful andy's helpful and it's still loving at that point is he's still good and just if he's vengeful and helpful. Sure you know. God is god is a parent I mean if you discipline your children Are are you vengeful You mean spirited. Are you hateful. No you're you're wanting to to teach your children the right way to be the right things to do and like my mom and dad told me on more than one occasion. This is gonna hurt me more than it's gonna hurt you and you will have don't much different. Though that's a little different we got abraham and isaac. It goes sacrifice your son to me. i mean. That's that's hurtful than just so helpful. How was he helpful. Like which ways. Y'all way helpful like you said. He helped Elijah or Gideon he also helped jessica. He helped the win the battle and was his What the jets. The promise to y'all whe if he won this battle that you would be his that he would sacrifice whatever comes out the door to greet him and his daughter came out the door to greet him and so he sacrificed his daughter to y'all way because y'all way was helpful to him. Yeah he and I think we have to accept that in the sense that it. It's it is what it is but you're looking into the new testament you know where were god is Love you carrying gone the parts in there too that contradict that as well I mean yes. There are some good things in there. You've got the sermon on the mount. He says some nice things in there. some humanitarian ideas But none of that can be found or none of that is like it is not able to be found elsewhere. You know what i mean. We don't need a book where we got sacrificing one's daughter to To eleven god because he helped win the battle. Yeah i mean. We don't need that help and help book right. Yeah that's that's that's hard to. That's hard to hear. And hardly except that god is a is a helping and carrying god You know it's the same way. When when god kicked adam and eve out of out of eden you know he could have just closed the whole book right then and there and he did punish them saying you're going to work by the sweat of your brow and and your childbearing is going to be difficult and Y'all these other affirmed these infirmities rather sneaks would eat dust. Snakes don't eat dust We've we've found a way around the child pain. The pain from childbirth epidurals There's there's a lot of different ways that that curse that he originally did was ineffective so even then then trees in the garden where we don't need the trees in the garden. Why tempt people. Why tempt people. That don't know right from wrong. Why put something in there. That you know is going to cause the fall of man That's not very helpful either. I mean if we're going to hell relocate this shoots. This tree is really bad. Some keep it away from you so that you're not tempted to eat it because i know you don't know right from wrong. Good from evil. So i'm gonna take it away from stored somewhere maybe on the moon or whatever you know not in the middle of a garden protected just hey don't touch and then then you get so mad. He can't forgive everybody he has to. He has to have bloodshed. He was nine twenty two thousand shedding of blood. There is for no forgiveness. He's unable to forgive people for touching fruit one time one time and was like you know your toddler came in and did something like okay. Don't do that. I said don't do that. No look i said don't do that. No it was just once that he's able to forgive without bloodshed at that point the worst help i mean his help was jesus i guess ex- exactly i mean nobody. We are unable by ourselves to atone for everything we've done And avalon hard in his theory of atonement. I know i'm getting a seminary here. That anna large in his theory of their tone. -ment said that god is love that is the essence of god is love and you know it took me a while to get my head around that Because i said god it's gotta be more than just love you know he's and but i finally got to the point where i said. Yeah it is love. God loves us. He cares for us. He he made a way to Give us free choice will And then when we do make mistakes he gives us the grace of forgiveness if we ask for forgiveness so that that is really is says a lot about who got is what would be more helpful if my my one of my kids i have two boys one of my boys did something bad and someone told him not to do and which one would be more helpful a if i told him to write me a note on what he could have done better in that situation how could have acted differently or what he could have done or sacrifices brother so that able. I'm able to forgive him you know. Well i mean it's common sense. Killing something for forgiveness is gross and ridiculous. But that's exactly what god allowed to happen. He allowed the sacrifice of christ so that through his shedding of blood we were then reconciled unto god. He sacrificed the ultimate thing. That could be sacrificed And where's the sun. Now where's jesus just with is is is. We're so he has jesus with him at all times. How long was jesus goal. Well jesus has gone for for a proxy depending on again getting a little bit. Seminary here are thirty. Three or thirty two thirty six years Depending on how you want to calculate You know vce versus ad and he's an eternal. He is an eternal being it. John one one says in the beginning word with In the beginning god and the word was with god and and So y'all we didn't have jesus for thirty three years. Let's say thirty three years. Y'all we did not up in heaven or wherever they live Sitting next to him standing going to dinner is going to see movies. He didn't have them with him but he was on earth. Which looked y'all way is able to see in an end interact with at. What point did he actually give up his son well I don't think he ever actually gave him up a except on on the cross says mike allowed us to die well four for the betterment of humanity because without christ's sacrifice we are incapable as human beings a be reconciled into god on our We're not able to. We can't stop him from being right at us no matter what you do unless something well no someone has already died. Dry allows us to be in. God's grace because of what christ sacrificed with. Yeah yeah he was nine hundred or two without the shedding of blood. There is no forgiveness. This is you always rule. Jeff daughter was sacrificed to jawa. Y'all we could have helped address situation and maybe stepped in and said. Hey let's do a chicken instead but he allowed the sacrifice of a child. Why do you think that is. I'm going to answer that with the something that i tell people sometimes when it seems that i don't have a good answer and i don't know that there is a good answer with. That's a good question. When i get to having our last dot white you go this direction of the other direction all right. Well i'm gonna go with. Do you communicate with the alway. Now can you ask him. Can he give you an answer. Well i've got answers prayers. And like i told my prisoners the sometimes the answer is yes. We're overjoyed and all right. I got it An sometimes the answer is no and we get all bummed out and sometimes the answer is wait not yet in which case I get a lesson in patience in. I sometimes get very frustrated with now. It's it's very interesting. How do you decipher his answers. From random happenstances. Well i don't believe in predestination that god you know is saying. I know what you're going to do tomorrow. Although the terms does you know goes right. He he he. He knows what is going to happen. for years and year. Put it like this in as a as a young kid in high school i always wanted a shelby mustang. I thought it'd be kind of neat to drive around the car with my name on it. Yeah and then after Well into my adult life while serving churches My wife's talked finally talked me into taking some dancing lessons. So i think she got an answer for their. They actually took him In took her dancing afterwards. But i also had prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed for this shelby mustang. I finally got it. And i was you know. Read just candy apple red and white stripes a whole nine yards And then about two years later. I had a back surgery and began to experience a lot of difficulty getting in and out of the car. I'm fall into it and almost have to crawl out of it. So i took that as an answered prayer but i also took it as okay I gave it to you But things change. So it's it's time to adjust and move on so yes. I thought the i talked to god all the time. And i asked him for things all the time asking him for wisdom and insight and Who car though. Y'all we didn't give you the car. I mean he's not like here's the keys in. I mean you did that. That was your actions. Your your you had to be involved in some point. Yeah so how. Do you attribute that to just because you ask for. I mean i could ask george carlin for all kinds of things. In in in fifty percent of the time it'll happen fifty percent of the time it won't happen doesn't mean george carlin's up anywhere doing anything. It's it's like a lot people. Ask me all the time about lottery tickets. I pray for the winning numbers. And i said well good luck. Yeah my grand. Bring those winning numbers. Since i can remember. It hasn't happened. No you're you're quite right. I my wife. And i'm head to make the decision to get the car but the way it came about was the car was infinitely cheaper than what we could've afforded so people say well you just. You just fell into that. But puddle came out smelling like a rose a But god presents us with opportunities whether we accept those opportunities or not is is another question. again it goes back to guide in giving us three will So yes got answered the prayer. I got the car a couple of years. Later due to help issues had to give up the car You know as some people say what the lord gives us the lord taketh away. But i don't know that. I wanna go quite. I don't wanna blame him for my back issues Who do you blame for the back issues. The army good tangible real evidence based cool as long as that satan. I was a little curious. Spent twenty years in the military jumping on and off the fools carrying heavy wreck. Sex going up and down hills running more than you probably ought to ever in your life. Yeah yeah awesome all right well good answer thank you i kinda wanted to dive back into the whole. What would jesus do. The ww j d. You know and i was a kid. That was everywhere. Everybody had a bumper stickers shirts and so popular. But what. I find when i read the bible. The answer to that question is disturbing. What would jesus do. You've got not just the when he turned over the tables in the temple not just the cursing of the fig tree for no reason just because it was out of season. It's its fault killed it. You know these are angry. This is anger stuff. And he's supposed to be finless angers sin isn't it i don't know You've got all that right. So if jesus is angry one point that means he's not really senlis so that kind of contradicts that but i want to get to the. What would jesus do if someone didn't love him back or believe in him. What would jesus near the cheek. What scripture tells us that at at the appointed place in time. He's going to separate. You know the week from the chats so to speak the they'll be those in the book of life and and those will be called home to him and then there will be those who are not in the book of life and you know it like scripture says You know the the gate is closed knocking out the door. I hear you. But i don't know you so again. We have free will we. We can choose whether or not to accept Priced into our life and accept that. He's our believer Our our our lord and master rather and there's a A unique theology called The theology of restoration where Some people say i. I'm a believer You know been baptized the whole nine yards. You know i'm. I'm okay with god and then something happens Well just take my myself for example when. I was thirteen My my last visit with my grandmother was not a very pleasant one. She you know she got the Castrol oil outer cod liver oil or women wasn't and said here you go and i said i don't like you i never want to see you again and Before we saw each other again she passed. So i signed man. Yeah that that that's tough. So i went to my pastor and said you know this is what happened. Can you give me some answers. Well he gave me some answers I chose to either not believable. More didn't understand them at the time and spent probably the next twenty years saying yeah the church who needs god And at that time. I and this is my personal understanding. Is that if if If i had if something had happened in iodide during that period of time then the scales might have tipped The other way But giving the the theology or the theory of restoration. When i said okay. God i need you back in my life I'm i'm yours then. I didn't have to spend another twenty years going back in a tony for all of that stuff. God's love god's grace god's forgiveness with sufficient to say. Okay if i were to pass in that breath then the skills with tip younger direction so i think that's a long way around or perhaps of answering your question But there's going to be a choice make there's also the The the church the universalist church which says that You know everybody will eventually end up in heaven anyway. that's gonna empty out know and everybody will be restored and not been so yes not in the bible. I know there's a permanent place there. And so i. I really don't believe that will ever happen. I mean scripture is pretty specific you know it says satan and his followers will be bound and thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone. That's after all that's after y'all we release prison to people right. Yeah also not helpful and all that is not a very helpful thing. I mean i know he's going to go out and to see people caused them to be eternally punished. But i'm going to release satan anyways. Jussawai can stop them at the end and show how cool i am. That's how i see the whole part there. It's just weird but you know not helpful again but we go back to scripture. I see revelation. Twenty one eight tells me that unbelievers. We're going to be burning in. If y'all way jesus of the same person than jesus is doing all of this Second thesselonians one seven through nine. Jesus will bring fire and everlasting destruction to unbelievers matthew. Thirteen forty one. Thousand forty two. Jesus will throw me as an unbeliever into a fiery furnace just for sending The sin of unbeliev which is weird So i don't see this as Helpful or awesome so the new testament is not the best either. There's a lotta stuff in there. That tells me that. I deserve to be eternally punished. Simply just for the the the unbeliev that i have for not believing in seeing and Following along so how does that go. That's that's true but the good news. Is that if you do believe even in your sleep on the cross at the eleventh hour the fifty nine minutes said you know lord I want to be with you in paradise. And he's an christ said you will be with me in paradise at eleventh hour the fifty ninth minute that at the before that last breath he forgave all of that. All of the chiefs is issues Since crimes whatever and welcomed him into into paradise heaven. You it really is like i mean. Paradise is so subjective. Honestly what do you think heaven is. Well you're scripture says. It's a wonderful place you know this sees like crystals and streets of gold. And i don't like all the refined gold is naughty. Change it because that sounds terrible. All that gold is way too much for me. As i tell people i will be happy with the doghouse. Made out of out of nadi. Would you know man the backstreet someplace. Well revelation twenty two five. Says that there's not going to be any night in heaven and i for one. Enjoy the nighttime Going out and looking at the stars but in heaven is not going to be any of that. Because y'all way says he's going to be a light that never goes away so that doesn't it also says there will be no pain and suffering you. Give me no pain and suffering. But i don't get a nighttime permanent. Nightly jesus nightlight won't turn off a revelation twenty two three through five. There's going to be people who are in heaven are going to have you. Always name on their foreheads. Serving him all day and night Again not very fun doesn't sound like fun. you know. i mean you get a sacrifice. There's no pain and suffering but you're going to be a servant to this The the eternal light. Bright for the three colonel. You know as as someone once said. I forget who i would rather serve in in heaven than raining hill serving. Hell no wait rule in hell than than serve in heaven. I'd rather ruling hill. But it doesn't sound like fun to me when i was a kid. He's going to be a blast. You're gonna do all day like is there board games up. There's or like Concerts concerts like what in the world is going to happen for eternity. I'm hoping there's there's some nice golf courses most fishing hole poor fish. I you think. Kill fish heaven release catch-and-release. Oh poor putting three. We don't even need them. It's like when deer hunting. I i. I had my rifle when out. Oh dark too early in the morning when most sane people are sleeping reason. My behind off Sitting in some tree waiting for bambi to come by and You know. I you know three or four deer walk below me and i just fit. Hi how you doing. I was just enjoying being in the woods in the moment of away from all the chaos and and hectic life that is Yield that we have every day. So yeah that sounds no. It wasn't no fighting. I kevin's going to be a blast. Yeah i don't know do you think there's there's evil. I'll take your cable when i i don't know i i can't i can't man i won't i won't be joining in that one even if i was welcomed up there. I don't think i would do it. I don't think i could serve and and Praise and worship a documented child killer for eternity. It's just not my. I well as as people say that. That's that's you're right. Well my option is. I don't want to love and worship this being so now what's going to happen. Jesus is gonna to come along and say you made this dishes decision. So now i'm going to throw you into hell for eternity for not loving or believing. Do you think that's a fair. We don't we all have to stand before god or jesus in answer for the things we've done lord knows i've done several things in my life You know that. I'm not real proud of you. Know if it were possible say Let's hide this one in the darkest put that a sort of doesn't find it. Yeah it'd be out exactly magically racer or something in drake right awesome But i really believe that you win. I stand face to face with god. He'll say you know you've done all these things and yet you believe in are willing to serve me. You search me on earth as a as a staple center Welcome home all is forgiven and go and enjoy the rest of your turn. Ity with god For me it. There's just such blessing that i'll get to see I'll get to see my unborn child that my wife and i lost And i'll get to see my My friends and family that have long since cavs. I'm looking for to that. Yeah sounds nice. But don't forget that. Jesus nightlight that. Don't turn off and that got to serve him your servant. You don't you don't get to do what you want your servant at this point. They're there to serve yali well as him worship him. If if you if you serve god then you're doing what you want anyway Your servants of god. Then you got you. When christ told the disciples. I didn't come to rule. I came to serve And you know go you. He tells the disciples go forth then and make disciples of all the earth tell teaching them commands that i've given you so he's he's telling them early on he's not the servant or he's not the master he's the servant and if we want to do what he did then we have to become the servant and go forth and care for those around him or around us rather Doing as jesus did now do. I believe that. I have the ability to Divide you know. Three fish and five loaves and fi. Five thousand people Probably not again. If i if i had to think of a mustard seed i could tell the mountain to jump up and go through itself in the ocean. The how much they do. I hear that that's such a terrible thing you know. Christians are gonna feel inadequate because their faith isn't working they don't have faith small enough as a mustard seed. 'cause they had that they can move a mountain but they don't there never good enough and that is sad to me that jesus would make them feel that way. Make you guys feel that way it. Just it doesn't make any sense to me. That very encouraging. If only you could do it but you can't because you know you can't. You can't move mountains. No are you able to choose in if you don't wanna serve anymore if you'd like to turn off the lights rub the name off your forehead. Lucifer certainly made that choice. Free will in heaven. Well i would. I would say that the there is. I mean loose. Loose for was an archangel. I mean he was. He was on the same level as as a as michael was And your he made that choice. He and a bunch of his liking flowers made the choice not to continue to serve god not to continue to worship god not to continue to be one with god and sin right. Well that's probably the ultimate soon. So you're able to the ultimate sin in heaven. I think that. I think that's probably true. I mean her place if you can do the ultimate sinning while they're well it's it's all the ultimate place in that the Excuse me for getting tongue tied here place in in that. This is something that i think. You've got to want to be part of a if you don't want to be part of it. Then god's not going to force you to be part of it because to force you to be part of it would be almost be held in heaven So if you don't want to be there well he'll take the down elevator he's going to. He's going to make a a a separation you know. You chose not to be part of my family to to serve and Bear witness bear fruit on earth. Therefore i you know. I'm gonna i'm gonna send you on your way you. Can you take the dow down elevator. And if you choose later on that this is not what you want you know. You don't wanna serve him anymore. Well then i don't think he's going to force you to stay there. And but why don't you make that decision. That's the ultimate decision. You're not coming back across the other side. If i just make little cenis do little things instead of trying to leave. What if i just send a bunch of times Eat shellfish or mixed fabrics awar-. What if i lie. What if i just start lion going to happen to me. Well you got thrown out that that that's another good question able to have layers of heaven and people who sin the ultimate shin. I just don't see that as a place. Well if it's not going to be free of all that stuff and then if like you said if it's if it's not free of all that stuff if you don't have this free will then it's a prison and that's what all the walls and gates are for. I think is to keep people in. That's where you and i see the same coin different sides. I see that as burning wage. Type thing yeah but not completely walled because Lazarus as you walking by a great chasm was able to You know visit her converse with someone in hell and You to to me that. That's that would be difficult to Be walking along the streets of heaven and then walked by the chasm. Look down look down into hell and see somebody. I knew Who is in hell. That would be hard for me And so do you think that's you don't think that's possible. You don't think you're able to see people. Your loved ones inhale. that didn't that didn't believe her or whatever. You think you're able to see that from heaven. Scripture says you are prescription says lazarus was able to communicate with person. Yes i i'm hoping i i'm i'm hopeful that you only that as i wandered the streets ahead and the i'm sh- i have my strong enough that i'm happy with where i am. I don't need to borrow in the us or any troubles. And and i'll just stay over like a say around my wooden dog house in the back corner. Heavy someplace You know some people are going to have these huge mansions and things. And i say i'm hoping for a dog house in the back corner right And would help you. Wouldn't it cause you sorrow to see someone you loved and hel- again. I don't know that you could that we will have those human emotions in in In heaven see you won't be able to feeling you're watching a loved one suffer. You'll be able to feel empathy or or sorrow or anything. I don't think so You says we're scripture says. We're giving marriage on earth with not in heaven we never die in heaven We'll feel no sorrow. No no pain no suffering in feel you feel happiness but not anything. That's negative so be shiny happy people. Well i i suppose we define happiness. What's happiness exactly to is looking a you know a bunch of flowers in the yard. And some people's have mrs i'm in a shelby mustang. Hundred horsepower indeed. Indeed yeah no. Yeah is definitely subjective so when you get to heaven is it going to be your own personal happiness and then how is it your own personal happiness if you can see people in hell that are suffering and burning and dying and coming back and burning again The attornal punishment thing. I'm go ahead. But i don't think we're going to worry about those human emotions. Those human feelings sadness and misery. it will be different. That's not you that's not you. What your emotions make. You might empathy my passion all that shenanigans all the stuff. I've done that. That makes me all the shenanigans on through. You know all the suffering whatever if this is what makes me me so i'm gonna get to have it. I'm not gonna have any suffering or anything. I'm just going to be a happy robot. Well when i get to heaven you know. I'll tell you another story. From a one of my parisioners. She was blind. And she was paraplegic and she had diabetes and she was old and she was confined to a residential care facility and yet. She had a smile on her face every time. I went to see her. And i said why. Are you so happy. Look at your condition your elderly. You're in a you're in a residential care facility. You're you're a paraplegic. You're blind how can you be so happy. And she said well. Jesus promised me that. When i get to heaven i will be able to see my husband again. I will have to brand new legs and we will be able to dance for a long time so here that i can't. I can't help your that. You know when. I get to have my back. Pain is going to be gone. I won't be you know so it won't be so difficult for me to get around my. You might stroke have bothered. Won't bother me anymore all those things. It looks very wishful thinking to me. It's it's like here. Life is pain. Take this pill. Life will be better when you take this pill. Oh see just look this these goggles and it'll be okay but life is pain. You know. I mean no matter. Placebo or wishful. Thinking is gonna end that even in the end you know. There's there's there's no real evidence or proof or or or anything for heaven for any kind of Heavenly place have anything we die. We all we know. Is we die in our brains go. That's just shut down and we w decompose and we go to war and food and all the food and all that you're exactly right. Yeah so when you add on these these magical places after death that that have no evidence. I can literally insert any magical invisible place that you can't detect right now and you're yeah so you've got a fantasy island. Nothing nothing with real on the island right. Yeah that's a little different. Yeah you know what i'm saying. It's thomson blessed are is jesus said blessed are those who have who believes in have not seen. And that's we we. We always come back to that. That you're thomas said unless i put my finger in the mail unless i put my hand in his side unless i see for myself i will not believe. And then about one of the original disciples bright but what happened and did jesus show himself Yeah he said exactly showed up and he got to do the things that he needed to believe. Y'all way has yet to show up to do anything. Scripture says that when he does the the sky will part angels will say and we will see him come down in all his glory and then it'll be too late to say. Oh i'm very helpful. Why don't tell me when it comes down to tell me beforehand. Hey come on. this is me. I'm a real person a real deity or whatever you know. I'm here just so you know. And then ten years from now when we come back and destroy everybody who doesn't believe me that would be a little more helpful at least right. Well what exactly i mean. What what you're talking about is like You remember the cartoon strip pc yuppie ucla washington across the desert one day. And he's looking up to have any says. If you're really up there show me a sign in the next screen. It says there's of marquee like a marquee. that's fallen down. Says i'm up here. How's that You know we we we. We look for god's presence in the world. I think we have to sometimes look introspectively. But he's all around us. I mean You'll science today is getting very close to plane guide with all these cloning things going on but who could who could take two simple little cells and create you create me create. Well you were created created in your brothers belly. God didn't do it. God didn't put any cells together the natural process sniffing the biological fact skipping the the biological needs to put the two together yes Yeah but you know. Y'all we know all i needed. I think there's a little divine guidance in there and getting the ex and the wider hooked up together and create a something but again again if you look around if if you have an active life or if you just pray occasionally and then you know it's like when i was you know running away from god more than writing to guide Yours about the same time. My grandmother passed i. I felt a calling to the ministry. That's it. I got nothing to say. Nobody wants to hear what whatever i have to say anyway. Well it took me thirty. Took out thirty years to get me to seminary from that point but he eventually got me there in a review. My life's journey to The experiences i have that allow me to help. Other people in their understanding of who they are in relationship with god who god is in relationship with them I mean i was in. I was in desert storm. And all of the statis- statisticians said that My particular unit would suffer one hundred and twenty six percent casualties within the first twenty. Four hours well. It doesn't take a real mathematician. I could even figure that map out. I was going to get hurt. Yeah but as it turned out we suffered no casualties And i was into the chaos of this site that we were having with the republican guards unit. That a sense of calmness just came down over me and and just like in the movies everything. Kinda shifted the slow motion. And i felt god's presence and And and felt that he was creating with me. That i would be okay but i was going to go home and that. He had a purpose for me when i got home yet. Did you promise to sacrifice. Came to the door when you got home from battle. No okay gotta keep those promises you know. Be careful what you promised. Yeah you know it's it's kind of like. Oh lord if you just make sure this top won't give me a ticket. I never go speed and again in my life at least for the next five minutes right britos. i promise. I won't eat that. That street card again. Please get me through this. I'm gonna eat again. Don't worry before we end this and we're almost out of time here but i wanted to touch on That eternal punishment one last time i wanted to do you. Do you feel you deserve eternal punishment for your whiteout moments in life for those little mistakes. You know that aren't like severe nobody died. You didn't slaughter anybody you know. But they're bad enough to where it would have been like. Jesus says young. Throw you in health if you die right now. So do you think deserve that. Eternal forever punishment because of those moments i think i have done enough things wrong T deserve that punishment certainly plow the time. That's a really long time. That's i mean don't give sentences for forever you're going to be in your fervor know until you die okay. Well you're dead now. You don't have to be in here anymore. You can do it buried somewhere but you always know. I'm gonna make sure you don't die and you're stuck in here forever. Why because you didn't love me didn't show me enough respect. No respect little rodney dangerfield mill respect. There you go get no respect there. Now here's the rest of. Here's the rest of the answer though while i may deserve that. God's grace is to forgive me a all of those things and open his arms to me like the prodigal son returning to his father. Yeah and that you know. That's where i i you know. We have a choice we can either choose to live in the darkness or live in the light of quote. These are always choices though. These are his choices. He set these up. He said this one or this one he didn't give me an option c. He didn't give me an option. Abcd of nothing it was either. You love me or you. Burn in hell forever. And then he says not bad. You didn't love me. I give you plenty of opportunity to love me which you chose not to. So you chose hell. I don't think that's a good thing. I don't think that's very helpful. Loving or merciful. Well young the the odd purses if you love me and you keep my commands and You know then. I welcome you with open arms. And that's where. I think you know we humanity lives in a world of black and white. We like to say we live in the shades of grey. But if you just boil it all down it's either right or it's wrong. We're you're either speeding or not. Well i'm only going one mile oak. Well is that speeding or is that not speeding speeding. We live in a world of black and white. We live in a reading world right in night that speeding comes with a finite penalty a finite punishment. It's not a forever thing we don't have forever. Well schmitz why. Because it's inhumane to punish somebody forever for one thing i guess. Well how many. How many times have we said i will never forgive you for something. Yeah yeah it's called an emotion. Yeah but doesn't really happen. It doesn't have eventually somebody dies or something gives gives in y'all wait no it's forever. This is four ever and actually turn eighty so. I don't think just got also said that he would visit his upon you to through the seventh generation right and gets angry because people don't that that's not loving either. Yeah that that's a long time or messiah. Christ stead if you know me you know my father and if you love me my you My father and if you keep my commands then. I will tell my father that i know you. That's not unconditional love that is conditional love what exactly it is conditional. You'd have to put something out If it was unconditional love than we could just walk through like do whatever we want and break the the good benefit at the end. Unfortunately that's not. That's not how things on Joe john wesley One of the founders of the methodist church that that there's a thing called christian perfection and as a methodist minister. That was one of the things. I had to one of the questions i had. The answer was in my ordination. Was you believe that you will reach christian perfection and well everybody knows yep sick yes but in reality i i do believe that at some point in time in my life i will be able to reach that christian perfection and that's not being a perfect person never doing anything wrong not lying cheating stealing that speeding not not not not not It means that at some point it may be the very last the eleventh hour fifty nine minutes fifty nine second reached the point of my understanding that we are all god's children in all deserving of his love and care not just from him but from me as well and that's from this. This book is poignant at this point in time with all the all the stress all the turmoil the hatred going on in the world today in our country as well we hate just because you red versus blue pink versus green. Whatever a job. And that's not what god asks us to do. He asks us to care for one. Another those eight or nine days listed there Are are are very specific. And some allah the discussion. Christ had with the pharisees when they said which is the greatest commandment and god says to love the lord your god with all your heart soul mind being everything in you and the second later on l. The first is to love your neighbor as i have loved you. That's a great great message at its. That's very humanist message but the whole burning forever part is not very humanist message is not very nice not very kind very merciful. Very loving But we'll leave it at that. We'll even i got to get going here. He's jets driving me that's anyways Let's go ahead and tell us where we can find your book and we'll in from there. You can find my book on amazon. Barnes and noble or you. The publisher outskirts dot or outskirts. Press dot com And i would love you to to to to read it and enjoy it and Let it speak to you And i wish all of you a a great day in god's richest blessings and michael. Thank you so much for having me on. I love to do this again with you sometime. 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Detroit City Of Champions  Episode 7: Stick a feather in your hat for the Tigers! Tiger fans in 1934-35

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Detroit City Of Champions Episode 7: Stick a feather in your hat for the Tigers! Tiger fans in 1934-35

"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT Network visit, www, dot podcast, detroit, dot com for more information. Nineteen thousand five alliance win the. Nfl Championship. The Detroit, Tigers take a world series, the Red Wings Bring Home Morgan. Stanley Cup. Joe Lewis begins his rise to world domination. This transforms the motor city into Detroit city of champion. droid city of champions, the podcast. I'm again Charlton and we are diving into the story behind a trilogy of Books Detroit. City a champions. And we are what A. Seven eight. This is somewhere in there were deep do I might have to do a correction on the next show. It's not. It's it's. Really, all right, seven, hundred, ninety, percent, ninety, percent. Sure. It's seven. Well, I have no problem doing correct all that and I actually have a correct to you make really also, but before I do that, I, want to Madison. Cameron me. Real quick. have. You got a little. I just got a little congratulations. I want to say, okay, we got. So it's my brother-in-law, raise our greg, getting his bachelor's he's graduating and the Sunday in these. He's like getting it. So I, just want to send a message and tell tell them how much I love him, my brother-in-law, my sister, and. Everybody, our family. So congratulations brother in do so. That's that's. Exciting. I. Like it. Yeah. Joe Cheese. You know it's it's like what a time to be graduating tough time this website. That's a tough battle. Finish. Easy to finish this up right now. You know with all stuff going on right now. So. Congratulations to him. That is very, very cool and excitement. The fans wild. Graduation. They're throwing the cast your. Video version I spoiled my sister graduated to on unless you re she, she got promoted to an officer for the for the coastguard. Oh. In the middle of all this to we had like a big zoom thing for there's like a hundred and fifty people on the zoom. Chad, it was crazy that we hey, we got a wide screen TV family. was there. There was like one hundred, fifty other little. Little thumbnail. That was cool too. So we're proud of her. So a lot of it. But next the next thing is is negative, which is the correction from the last also. So. So it's Like you say, you know we we go through power through some of the stuff I. Do rewatch the show to Yeah. Hey, some mistake every once in a while, and this is a mistake that i. you know, I, I picked up on immediately and it's one of those like. I. Knew It. You know. Like for some reason or another? So. I always, the mistake that correct is the fact that I said that tie Cobb left the Tigers last, he left the Tigers in one, thousand, twenty four, and then he retired in one, thousand, nine, twenty, six. The. But in reality, he left the Tigers and twenty six and he retired in nineteen twenty eight. You've two years with the as and then left after my rental. So rather small I, guess you could say. Accuracy. We we pride ourselves echo then yeah, I mean that that was the whole thing because you put seven years of research into these three books in the other than the screenplay that you put together and all these stories behind it. You have so much information in your head. It just astounds me. Well, here's the thing is, is that the crazy thing about that particular fact is that like I knew it and that's what I'm saying like I'm not. I'm not trying to like. Play money. Know Thursday. Evening, quarterback. I knew that I just like this, but I knew enough to catch my own air. But that's what I'm saying like I. The reason I knew what is because nineteen twenty four actually was one of the Tigers in that whole era of like you know dark times for the Tigers. That was actually one of the only years at the are actually somewhat competitive. And actually drew a million fans that you're so But that's like besides that. That was like they drew million fans at here than there was nothing for different other years. But they were they were competitive that you're in like I and I've actually said that told that story to people before. So that's what I mean. That's why it's like I knew that was a mistake. It's like I. I call Myself Pretty Quick. So it again, because we're you, you make a couple of cursory notes and We're just having a conversation about. The amazing. Year. And the amazing teams, the interesting people in their stories and it it just the information that you have stored in your brain is astounding to me. My mind would probably explode. Yeah, It's. In awe every week. Say It's just you know that's the thing is Moving parts that you know. So but here's the thing is like I have no problem admitting a mistake like it's like you actually learn I. Think you learn from it because i. that's a that's a fact that I'm not GonNa like. Mix Up again, I'm looking forward to someone calling us out on something that we miss it or if they do if somebody you know if somebody catches it out. You. Know put it in the comments or whatever for your show and you say we'll correct it and Mecca updated for accuracy and all that. So Moving on with our with our show episode seven. Ninety percents. Sides. Of Correction. Number. We I can't believe we're seven inner any. There's six in the bucket. So if you're listening, we appreciate you taking some time to to live through these stories with us as trials shares, these stories with me and with you. So go ahead and and if you could be a Jain favored us as to hit a subscribe button or. Follow like it share and all that stuff. We're wherever you're at whatever the device is ring. The bell viewership last week wrote a thousand viewers, I. Know like he was great I mean I think we were joking episode said something like y'All twelve people to Watson I. think There's going to be a few more than that. I, think there's like house. Predicted, it and the crowd goes Wah. Actually had some. You know everything starts small but before you we're going to. See. But that's where we're GONNA be talking about. We're going to be talking about how the crowd goes wild and how this one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four, and the nineteen, thirty, five year. With this Tiger Mania tiger-mania, it was just it was just crazy. These two years thirty, four up at the end. Just go to the world series. It had been such making such a drought and people were so into it and and now we're back into thirty five. The city is like, Hey, it's not a fluke. National Media is going they get along with the. The players were healthy nobody coming in thirty, four total fluke, and it's really that was like the it was like the national media saying, it was totally lucky. Then thirty, you know the fans were like we weren't lucky. We're going to do it. Make a course leading that charge. Yeah. But then we know in the back of their minds cigarette like please let it. Really, they don't, but they're like, Oh, where it's not a fluke we're going back but then. I. Hope they go. Go back. Yeah. So and that's the thing. Right. So what what can you tell me about the fans from nineteen, thirty, four, nineteen, seventy, five, the episode, I put the title of the episodes. Stick a feather in your hat for the. Tiger. Okay. For the Tigers and I made that title specifically because I wanted to tell a quick story of something. Cool that we're going to. You know maybe a little bit out of alignment for we wanted to talk about it in this episode but I, love. I think it's just like so-called. So anyways. So. You know there's all his Tigermania everything. You know we're GONNA, WE'RE GONNA. Get into. But but there's always just like back. You know back then just like now. Especially, when stuff is popular, people are always making. You know there's always like little gimmicks in knickknacks and giveaway type stuff that you know souvenir. You know that there are people trying to make money every which way they can towel. There you go. Perfect example. Like the for the fans do stuff. But anyway. So the Detroit News at one point they issued a feather in their newspaper and it was a yellow. And it's it was stamped on there. Yes. These actual feathers literally yellow feathers. You gotta you gotTa know back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four. Yeah, these were not sourced. Yeah, these are yeah. Right. Snatch. Okay there's probably it's probably ugly story. Somewhere Cab said right on the feather is said Yes said a state you know stick feather. So anyways but there's a tigers stamped on it and everything and I saw it was just one of the things I was like looking for like Ebay or whatever. and. So it was just like I'm like what the heck is this nine, hundred, thirty, four, tiger feather, and I didn't buy it because you know when you're when you're putting stuff together, you know you're. Using information gathered information like sometimes he's like six hundred dollars on a game program. Scan the I was really after the information. Sure. Sort of all kinds of quirky stuff that was online on that that I could have bought. You know what I mean if I had the money. The feather was like one, hundred, fifty or one, hundred, fifty dollars or something like. So I did a screen shot of it, I did a screen shot of shouldn't be saying this maybe this illegal. I did a screen shot of it slows, you're not reselling it. No. What's what's the resale? Okay. So I know I know but. But anyways I did a screen shot and then I printed on a photo and then I. Think it was two to side I. Wish. I, would've brought it in because anyways what what I did was I. I did A, it was a front back picture and I did a screen shot of the front and back, and then I in fact printed on a four by six photos in glued them together and then caught around it and actually filled the end. So like actually looks like somebody. Put My wall taped his. Little Beatles, some mementos or whatever. So I got it. I got a reproduction. I'll stuck a feather in your cap. So anyways. That's Kinda why I. Wanted to name the episode that just because I wanted to make sure I told that story because like where else do you get to talk about off a yellow feathers? So that came in the paper which one of the papers right news news. Okay. All right. Because we had the news, we have the time in in the free print through all three. Yeah. So The Times has kinda gone away, but back in the day, The Times was quite the the flair and quite the cheerleader of what was going on. Yeah. In the tiger world. Yeah. Well, the news in the free, the news and free. Press. With cover the stories, they would cover the events whereas the times where like actually actively. Into the events that they would have the only exclusive in town You know if you're good journalism. They the morning. William Randolph hearst owned the Detroit Tigers Balls, a syndicate of newspapers across the country was fabulously wealthy, and so he so really he I believe he didn't say this or anything. But in my opinion because the the the ramp of sports coverage especially in Detroit in, lend me to think that like he looked at this opportunity, maybe drive these other newspapers out of business, and so you can say that the amount of coverage of sports in the. Detroit. Times at that at that time was just incredible staggering. It was great marketing. Yeah Great Journalism. Amazing Marketing. But Hey you know it's Those times others were sure sourced. Wanted to start the show actually, really right in the proper. Mindset I wanted to get in the show to I wanted to sort of paint a picture. If we're talking about the fans, I think it's I think it's essential to to sort of paint a picture that the the time that they lived in because nineteen thirty to nineteen, thirty, three, ninety, four, ninety, five, this is this is the great, this Great Depression and the dust bowl, the picture of that the the the the that migrant woman you know in Oklahoma someplace that just that that. Kid looks like the yeah. That's when you think in the nineteen thirties when someone says the depression nineteen thirty, that's the image that POPs in my head that woman with kids that black and white picture that dustbowl picture. But I WANNA paint. Another picture seemed like the mood of America. Well, I. Mean I mean, Yeah. Absolutely. There's those are the iconic images today associated with depression. There's no doubt about that. But that's like an opportunity to really maybe paint a few other colors into this. You know what I mean to show a little bit of a little bit more some of the cool things that were happening at that time to get a frame of Reference Times so on. So I just I basically I have a huge time line in the in the second book that talks about this stuff. So, anyways. I just going to ramble redone Elizabeth I'M GONNA focus on thirty four. Okay. So on I three stooges, short comes out in one thousand, thirty, three stooges yup and then. You have Bonnie and Clyde or killed John. DILLINGER's shot shot to death. Alcatraz island's. Founded or they've committed Alcatraz Island, final season Babe. Ruth. With the Yankees final season. Red Grange nineteen, thirty, four. Okay Shirley. Temple debuts. You have the in nineteen, thirty, five, you have monopoly is born. You have the birth, you have radar. Canned beer is the introduce for the first time. The first hot meals on airplanes. So you seem like there's a few other like there's some some some pretty big deal, nineteen, thirty, four can't beer your third inning. I can't be on the field. That kind of leads me like leads into really the main. One of the one of the biggest things really that one of the biggest things was was The repeal of prohibition right was so so. So the day. So April April seventh nineteen, thirty three. The sale of three point, two percent beers legalized by Congress. The very next day. clydesdale horses deliver a keg of Budweiser to the White House. Legalize Budweiser. First thing I do FDR just got elected president few months before and they drop off a keg of beer the. Clydesdale horses, and then may tenth of beer that three three point, two percent beers legalized in in Michigan and so and so this December fifth nineteen? Thirty three is prohibitions completely repealed. So we can drink liquor then to and and then so New Year's eve of nineteen, thirty four. This is sort of the summary of everything new. Year's Eve nineteen thirty four was the first to involve the legal consumption of alcohol since nineteen twenty and so things. To try to frame where we're at right now entering this nineteen, thirty, four season. So we've already talked about the rival Mickey Cochran ended nineteen, thirty three. The Tigers are head in the nineteen, thirty four, and there's a little bit of excitement common. You know and all of a sudden. You know because they had this this. They've just signed like this hall of fame all. World Catcher, and then all of a sudden now beers and beer and liquor liquor legalized, they're selling they. Again. The, very first year. Liquors legalized all of a sudden you. The tires are players invasion. Also, they you know they got to really go at it. Liquor. For this season. Tom. Like a great way to kick off could probably play those probably in public domain. Eighty years. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. The Pu-. So. That's so yeah. So that ADDS to the Party your city. There you go. That's what I'm saying ads absolutely I. Mean, it can undoubtedly adds to the party Detroit was always Detroit was always sort of on because we're so close to Canada. As as the as the river would freeze, they would just. Drive drive it over. First World. Land speed record. Henry Ford on the Detroit. River. Is it really sixty five miles an hour or something? Yeah. Henry Ford set the first land speed record really on the Detroit River while was frozen really Yeah. He had a driver who and then the driver was scared like up, I'll do it all. and. Then from there, they went to Florida on. Some kind of a water record because he's not going fast on water I. Mean, it's frozen. He's. So yeah, they would bring it over so. We weren't really as dries, we probably should. Notice I said the word legal consulting legal. Yes. Yes. So like I say that's sort of pre sets. The stage I mean is. This is sort of sets, the stage for the season, and so anyways, sort of sets the stage for one of the quotes I was hoping to get to and yeah what? It really is. So that saw the quote that I'm going to. Break out the page and have it raining. So, it comes from the second book on Mri page to eighty five. And because I did a whole section in the fans. In the second book okay and saw. They all you talk about, you know today all the twelfth man and you know it's, it's it matters. That's the interesting thing we're we're recording here in in in August of twenty, twenty in sports are kicking back in with no crowds and you got pay cut out crowds. I listened I was listening into a couple of baseball broadcast and they were feeding in. Crowd noises and stuff. Like reminds me some Andy Kaufman said like. I thought you remind me Andy Kaufman sketch and it'd be like maybe a little bit. With Jim. Carrey the movie man, the man and the. where he was talking about like you know like the laugh track like he hated the laugh track, there's dead people's voices laughing on this like he was released. Yeah. So I was like. Kind of. A similar. Thing to me, I'm like. You never. I mean the crowd and I understand you have to have a little bit of background like ambient noise for a home run or something to give it a little bit of background. Sound. But like to make a cheer like there's cheering home run, I just is it just weird? Yes. I've watched a little bit of baseball. It is it disingenuous? It's it. It's no longer. It's gave the when you take a photograph because today with the computer manipulation. Deep, their deep fake and baseball is what they're doing. It's A. It's a deep fake. Just. Horrendous, CA. You can you can? You can buy a couple of stadiums are doing it where you can pay to be cut out? Well, that's what they really what they should be doing. By your cut out and put it in someplace. Mean make a couple of bucks of it. I. Guess You know behalf sort of a point to it. I mean, it's just it's just it's just odd. Fans right now, I know that. But neither to is that why not let some fans in? I mean these baseball parks seat. You know what does COSC- almost forty thousand. Not, even get fifteen, thousand a game anyway. What are they? Bring them in have sit three or four seats apart from each. Group has to be of maintain a six foot social distance. I mean come on man to fill us the park. I don't I just don't I just I. Yeah. But it's it's a deep fake of reality. I, mean, we're living deep fake of reality, but this was the real deal back at thirty four. The fans were just excited. And you you said, you had a quote there want to kick things off with that. Yeah. So I just like this this, this comes sort of at the tail end of of nineteen, thirty four. There's a ton of quotes in here. Really is actually tough to choose from but I love these kind of quotes because it. You know it takes you back in time. You know these this guy was actually they're looking at this stuff and So anyway so that so the quote day is the quo Islam from September, Seventeenth Nineteen, thirty four and at that moment the Tigers The tigers were. The Tigers. They end up. Spoiler Alert The Tigers won the game in the by at the at the conclusion of the game. They were six and a half games up on the Yankees. You know basically heading towards their their nine hundred four. and. So Rosaria So anyways. Yeah. So they would clinch the pennant one week later. In. So this was like you know headed towards the last sort of peninsula. Big into playing against the Yankees of course too. So you know the Yankees could potentially get back in a game Damn Yankees. Yeah. So general crowder would end up beating a lefty Gomez three to nothing in this game, and so like I say spoiler alert because of the you know the game results are not Nestle as important as. The the actual. you know the the scene by. What's happening at the game which I think that's what is the purpose of this quotas. So written by Bob, Murphy, one of my favorite writers over the course of all these books Bob. Murphy. was just an absolute caught up man and he was so funny. Just absolutely. A great writer from the Detroit. TIMES, I was able to one of the things about all these books I was so happy about because I did a section on the on the media in one, thousand, nine, thirty, five, who like who are the sports media national and local and one of the one I was so happy. I found a picture of Bob Murphy Oh. Nice. That's right. Incredibly rare photo Bob Murphy because it's one of those like when I found this photo, I was like Oh, my God, it's really grainy at the spent so much time trying to restore it. But I was so happy to find this picture Bob Murphy. So anyways because I had so much respect for him. He doesn't nobody knows we is nowadays, but he was just such a major city of champions writer. Okay. So anyways, this comes from him and so again, September seventeenth nineteen, thirty, four. So. So the title, the article called wild eyed mob. Cheers, Tigers victory. So all thoroughfares, street arteries leading to Nathan field scene of today's Tiger Yankee. Battle were choked with traffic hours before the scheduled start of the game streams of shoving pushing humanity were crowding the gates at one o'clock and hundreds of persons mill built about outside ticket windows disappointed because yes, are all sign was out? There was a zip in a Twang to the breeze that swept through the big stadium making making top coats. Comfortable. It was probably the best natured crowd of the year that storm the turnstiles there was shouting in horizon from every corner beer vendors despite the chilly breeze were being given a nice workout centerfield bleachers were practically filled at one thirty and hundreds were hundreds were ganging into the unreserved. Grandstand seats from all entrances. The Tigers appeared on the field shortly after one thirty, Oh clock and we're given noisy. Welcome. Flea. Clifton, who scored the winning run in Sunday's game with Washington. went out to the PITCHER's box of serve up offerings for batting practice. The big crowd. Let out AURORAS. Some lad in the right field bleachers made a headlong die for schoolboy rowe hit over the screen. He fell down three rows of seats, but came up smiling with the ball, the Yankees, the Yankees filed out at one, forty five and received a resounding chorus of cheers. Just to make them feel a home one group organized to give the. Bronx. Cheer the once Mighty George Herman Ruth was one of the last two to totter from the. The dugout to the field. The great crowd arose in Rhode Innovation that must have done the soul of the aging and ailing Bambino. Good. The right field bleachers were overflowing before two o'clock. Few unreserved seats were vacant the Newsreel. Cameron back and ruth from the Dugout, and he passed poem. Sorry posed with Schoolboy Rowe for five or six minutes when it was all over the great man from Gotham, affectionally padded the schoolboy on the shoulder. So. The next little header fight for balls by two fifteen, Clark, the crowds were were lying behind a wire in center field. Then the fun started as the Yankees took their batting practice men, women and children, dove push shove, and fought for all balls hitting the direction. It was one stampede after another with the crowd applauding and cheering the spectators made no bones about taking the balls away from the helpless fielder A. A, goodly some of dull went overboard and the item of loss balls. The centerfield. Overflow crowd was fast reaching near riot proportions in outfielder, took his life in his hands. If he attempted to catch one of the balls, hit in the batting practice, boys will be boys you know, and that goes for girls to the four Pires assigned to handle the game were George Moriarty, Bill. McCowan, Bill, Bill Dineen, and red, ormsby. They scratch their their noggins and look puzzled as they watched the actions of the ramping crowd packed to the rafters as a header for the next sill thing here, a group of uniform music makers came into the second deck shortly past two thirty and started blaring away. This caught the fancy of the big crowd more than ever. They swayed and cheered, and we're making much. Hey, hey, as the Tigers robbed out from the infield practice order was restored in, Centerfield? Centerfield precincts when some twenty or thirty policemen lion themselves in front of the crowd, the crowd like this to the crowd today likes anything it can take. It's fun where it finds it Mr. Evans? Big Concrete House was literally packed to the rafters. Even the box seats were three fourths filled twenty minutes before game time the Tigers snap through there and feel workout as the milling humanity continued to pour through the gates into the field before five and six. I'm sorry before five and six thousand were lying around the field and perched on the fence and Centerfield. The press box was jam was scribes from most of the countries leading newspapers. All seemed eager to concede the Tigers as good as in L. Google, Gomez is lefty Gomez, the gangs Great Pitcher Paul's with Schoolboy Rowe crowder then came out and started warming up for the Tigers Gomez unlimited his left wing for the Yankees mounted policeman road into center field to render soccer. Soccer. And aid to their to their fellow blue colts who were attempting to hold back the overflow crowd. The umpires assembled at home plate with manager. Joe McCarthy of the Yankees and Mickey. Cochran on the tigers grounds. Rules were discussed cost and whatnot. The crowd by this time was restless right for the colorful battle to begin the jabbering changed into a rumble sound, and then into a deafening roar is the Tigers rushed to their position. The game was on oh nice. Just. The vintage language, jazz shoe there. The gentlemen from Gotham. What did he come to the gentleman because the book? I love that. The giant from. Gotha. It was the scribes he to eighty five. And then The scribes called the reporter, the scribes from. Just, the almost poetry. Newspapers were the primary vehicle installation at. Like, the writers were like elite. Elite of the elite to be a newspaper writer back. So they call me they call. From God. Yes. Sir. I. Just love that I'm I'm getting all Batman with Babe with the alrea Gotham was was that the point? Yeah. Yeah. Create man from Goth. Sit A. You've got you know ruth comes out tips as cabinet was the last year for Babe. That's why I mentioned in that. So. Big In that beginning, but the last reuss last year. And he? was. He playing a lot that year he played significant. And he was always good. Even his last couple of even last year, even even file year. He finished the finished in Boston, the Red Sox. But the National League team was the braves back at that point but Yeah. But you know he was he had a good year nineteen, thirty two was just just like Kimmy and he's been playing for years. I mean he'd be go back to the. You know the end of you know, let me tie COBB. He goes back to tie COBB. Era. In the same like Takab was younger than him. But yeah. Be He'd been you know even playing for forever. So is really last Hurrah. So when babe comes out tips his cap I mean it doesn't matter where he's Tiger nation loves them some of the biggest moon shots ever seen. All Tiger. Stadium. Field. Yeah. So the navy field. So, that was Michigan and Trumbull they will. They weren't called that tiger sad time. So naven field that was the same spot became Briggs Stadium and then Tiger Stadium. So it was the same spot and a lots of the look of the stadium Didn't change a whole ton. I. Mean they added to it, but the core of it was. Replicated on yeah. into improved and but the look of it stayed stayed the same on the same footprint added the extended onto it. Yeah. Yeah. into me. To me like the way like the evolution naven field to Briggs Stadium, and then Tiger, stadium that to me because I'm I've got this whole another you know versus this baseball project when I'm I'm starting I hesitate to go too far into. Totally, off track. But the idea that one of the things that I question is, is this current in your current baseball current the way the world works today for Pro Baseball is it's it's like become this necessary thing for a city to have A. Old like half a billion, whatever it is ridiculous. Ballpark. This incredibly expensive ballpark. Even, even to get an independent baseball team or even a minor league team, the first question anybody ever ask where you're going to get the money to build a one hundred, million dollar stadium right now, I. Just want to start a team. I want to start a professional team. They're like, yeah. Well, you need one, hundred, Million Dollar Stadium. You know like, what are you talking about as back? Then that was the evolution of Nathan field you know to you know to. Debris to take your same as you point out there, you know it was it was the same footprint that just added on added onto it over the years, and they built it according to the needs of the fans like what was coming out and I just think that you'll in this modern in the current world. It's like you gotTa Start Massive and Matt. You, know you got the biggest ballpark with thirty thousand seats or whatever, and it's to me, that seems kinda crazy 'cause it's like You don't even know really some especially these minor league teams. You don't even know like how many fans you're gonna be able to see like aren't shop to your game like why not build a smaller park a nice park, and then evolve at the you know reinvest the profits evolve at gradually to the so anyways, yeah, it's and I think the answer is really to that question is you know if there is a question about why do is just because you know it's almost like they sell the ballpark now more than the product and the feeling again, we can start drifting off and it was not that's. Evolved the audit. Yeah. I. I find that. The Navy, as we mentioned earlier episode, the name is that his entire you know he. He unlike a lot of these other owners, his his. Income was dependent on the Tigers. So whereas lot, he's other owners were wealthy industrialists that just did baseball for fun like He. You know his ability to turn a profit on the Tigers reinvest the money into the ballpark and such like this was like that's what he did. That was his primary thing. It wasn't like a wealthy magnate for the chewing gum fortune that. That came into this. So sesame and so he reinvested profits wisely evolved the stadium over the years and the thirty five, season thirty, four, thirty, five, season all the revenue they brought in from the season from the world series is what allowed them to expand it into what became Briggs stadium that will go the next evolution of it reinvested the money wisely so There was, where was I going? I had something I was going to say I distract the the the imagery in that that article that you read. About the police coming onto the field with their horses. mournfully. Had Twenty or thirty cows, and there was already a near riot. They added like we need reinforcements they were. Standing Room only on the field. So people were on the field roped off. Yeah. Drag a rope and I say, don't cross his. Imagine today people following rules. The way they follow. Baseball today. Again, we're drifting a little bit in my. You know, I'm just GONNA stop apologizing for now. It's GonNa, Happen No, but baseball today is to sanitize it. Sanitize everything never signed the crawling thing I'm not trying to save this of course. I'm talking about every other like the that real that You know like this is like a rope dial feel like, Oh, God. They're roped off the field. They have fans cool. Name in like the last two years, it's more and more and more netting. Around and it's it's all. It's all because of you know because I, mean they hit harder than ever and the balls are moving faster. Are They not I? Don't know the ball hits off a bad. I mean, maybe A. Of a ninety I guess throw a few miles an hour fastball again, it's. It's. It's because people. I mean, a lot of it's because people on their cellphones not paying attention. In the ball gets hit, ricocheted off a bad hits them in the face. One of the reasons why get off your phone again, I'm not trying to. Make, anybody. Having to be politically correct and go. Oh. Defend position. But I'm just saying like baseball's existed for a hundred years. Right? Netting behind home plate for his been there. But the home put the netting. You know what's changed. In, the last ten fifteen years at necessitates putting netting all along the entire field to protect every fan in state. Attorneys there. Yeah. But there's been attorneys. TV, attorneys. Yeah. I mean it's just seeing all cell phone, but it's an example what I'm talking. Yeah. Whatever the reason. They should take it down, but I'm saying that's another example. Another example we can sit here. If we want to spend all show talking about it, that's you'll. This is that's what I'm talking about those and. Sanitizing. Game. With the nets going up around the sides now you never imagined people just on the field with a rope saying don't step across. It's. Such a different world, I've actually got photos photos in the second book that shows a policemen on horseback on the view, the fan. Fantastic quota. All proud like you know like a total. You know like a real bleeding. All the guys know looks like a nineteen thirties policemen man, he's rugged. Horse back. Horses looking tough too. So yeah. I I can imagine that that there was a handful of games from when they clinched it to to the world series. That was just those games were all just tiger main. Oh Yeah. You know what else has? Four So it really the next component I wanted to talk about was With in relations to the fans is is not just like what it was like to be there whatever. But SOM-. The impact of this season like sort of on the fans of Michigan in Detroit, and because the impacts of the season, there are profound. There are so many different illnesses are important. This is a rare rare opportunity to talk about something. That's like sort of just gets overlooked. Discussed, which is the is this season is what made Michigan a Tiger nation right? Before nineteen, thirty, four, nineteen, thirty, five, The tigers were a Detroit team, right. If did the people that one wash, the Tigers were detroiters and that's not to again, it's not to say that there wasn't fans from all over the everyone will come in from other areas of the state to wash the Tigers. I'm sure there were. But to bring the entire state in the entire state, basically like a universal tiger nation, that is what happened. That's why this. This season was so key and one of the main triggers of that having happened was arm w XYZ radio station. Okay. So nineteen, thirty, four, this is. So this is the Michigan Radio. Now, this is the This is the a one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four, bringing in Harry Heilmann Okay Harry. There's two major names like in the world of early Tiger Broadcasting Tie tie. You can't even mention Harry Heilmann Lot beginning beginning sort of the story with ty Tyson, who is who was the WJ WW J radio announcer, basically the local, DETROIT? Broadcaster the announcer and he'd been he'd been with the Tigers and really doing detroitsports elements since since one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, three, and so he's like one of the things that he broadcast the first University of Michigan, you'll Vam football games and when he wanted to broadcast one of those U of M Games the the. U., of M. Coach coach Jan was his famous famous guy. The He anyways, he um I'm probably going to get a comment saying, what's your comment below? What's what's the Michigan Coach at that moment? anyways. Nine, hundred, twenty, three. So anyways. He he he wanted to broadcast a University of Michigan game in the net coach was like now because it's going to make people wanNA, buy less tickets to come to the Games because they can get it for free over the radio. Year one, thousand, nine, hundred, twenty, three. Yeah. So I believe it was twenty three when he actually happens. But but anyways, so he so they still let them do they let them. So they let tie Tyson broadcasts at University of Michigan game in then and then like the next week, it was like a sellout crowd they'd had not like don't not sure what their attendance was, but there was a noticeable. Difference when them broad the when they broadcast the game on the radio on, they've made people want to come to games, and so that was like you know you're talking about the infancy of broadcasting over the airwaves, and so that's why they're like, oh, my God like it actually had the opposite effect, it made more people come to the Games. On joost feeling. Thank you. Thank you. It was his twenty third. He was a superhero. That's what I'm saying like I'm almost embarrassed forgetting that name I mean my God but. anyways. So anyway. So that was so that you know there's leads this. This idea that radio actually has an impact on bringing attendance in this, and the idea is, is that what you're doing is you're engaging the fans in the story of your products. Right? You're changing the fans in the story of this team is so the especially when they're hearing on the radio to like. Like ALMAC and hear the crowd going wild I wish I could see this person. It makes them want to come to the game more is a similar effect was on was on Frank. Navy for the Tigers. When the Navy, the same Guy Tyson's like talking to him about let's broadcast the tiger. Games to and Naven. Initially, they're like, well, you're, GONNA, lose money on attendance, and they were saying the same thing like, no, he builds a fan base really does in naven actually. Letting him broadcast even in the thirties they were. You know people were telling him frank. You'RE GONNA lose tennis. He was like he didn't even really care about the fact that it was gonna add attendance. That's not even why did he did? He let them broadcast because like I mean literally like he was like, well, the are fans can't afford to come to the Games anyways like it's better. When they can afford to come and pay money they will you know, but we want to keep them engaged with what we're doing. So you know frank kind of knew that already frank was frank was a highly intelligent baseball owner. That's what I'm saying like. Of, all the all the Pantheon of legends in Detroit Sports History, Frank Navy, and it just seems like he like all a lot of times whenever whenever he's mentioned in any book, it's always he was this kind of Nerdy bookish owner who lake was never gave ty Cobb, the amount of money. He deserved that that's always kinda how he's up the pictures. But. He was a highly intelligent owner, one most well respected one of the most well respected like owners in the entire game of baseball, he was huge Zilz, the tiger. So vintage troy selling us the jump from thirty three to thirty four. There was three hundred and twenty thousand attendants around in thirty, three, an and thirty four. Thousand Nine hundred, twenty, thousand, and then. Travel million tripled thirty, five is over yeah. So, anyways. So the so the radio is like you say, the two big names Tyson was already an established presence in Detroit. He broadcast over W W J over over the to the city to the city's fans. But then it was a w XYZ comes on the scene and they set up a misdemeanor radio network in that come in the in the T and Harry Heilmann, who was a hall of fame Detroit Tiger outfielder. Titles that he wants a tremendous hitter. Already a fans already loved him. Harry hyland becomes the the main broadcast through the main play by play man for in really the the one man show for the W for W. XYZ is. So that is the voice that the rest of Michigan here like so Detroit here's Tyson, and then Harry Heilmann is heard across the state beginning in nineteen, thirty, four. Okay, and so let's say it's like So that's what. So Harry Heilmann it's like the origin. Of of of of Michigan of Detroit Tiger fans that are from around Michigan like Harry, Heilmann. was there guy. He lives there till nineteen fifty. So I mean, this is like their guy, you know in Phnom like for me grow up at the Tiger Fan George Cal was my gosh, sure. Yeah. Was the was the announcer? for for George was the voice of the Tigers from me. I used to watch it on TV all the time on out in Kalamazoo when I when I was living in Kalamazoo. So the Old George Cal, was a lot of times. People say Ernie Harwell I didn't listen to him as much in the radio I was always watching the TV. So George cow was my guy that the per voice for me, but for my George Cal that that's what Harry high on the was to people from nine, hundred, thirty, four to nineteen fifty, and that was the one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty, take like this. Is it a coincidence that you know one thousand? Say Nine hundred thirteen thousand fans in thirty, four, thirty, five, there's a million. If you keep going down the list of attendance for the Tigers from nineteen thirty, five on, take a look at the attendance from that. It's a million fans every single year from that point all the way till now, you've never seen as hundred, thousand, and three, hundred, six, million, thirty, seven, never. The average, a million fans every every year year after that. Maybe World War. Dipped a little bit but they still had good fans of World War Two. Yeah. But I'm like the rest of time it was just through a million, a million, a million like. Is it a coincidence? Is it just the biggest coincidence in the world forty six, go from three, hundred, thousand, like you mentioned in thirty three, and then look at the years before that. It was like three, hundred, thousand, three. Hundred Yeah lately. Seven hundred dollars. Yeah. Every single year after thirty, four and thirty five. It's a million, a million, a million clockwork going all the way up to like three or four, million, three, million that we get today. That's. Our is it a coincidence that this season, you know this imagine you're somebody that's lives in. You know anywhere lauding ten or Kalamazoo any like this. In your first tiger experience, you're listening baseball's already the biggest sport in the country in your first baseball experience listening on the radio. Is the one, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty, four, and thirty, five tiger seasons. How much of a fan would you be? Your your hoped for life. You're an entire generation of fans grew up their very first experience of listening to the Tigers? Was the the nineteen, thirty, four, thirty, five seasons. The city Jim is worth mentioning to real quick while we're talking about is WWE J. in one, thousand, nine, thirty, four, when the when the lions came to town, they broadcast they connected on on a nationwide syndicate radio channel and they broadcast the first Thanksgiving game against the Chicago bears, first, thanksgiving, nineteen, thirty, four on this radio. Our you see what I'm saying not. So now you're getting connected all the fans Michigan hooking up with the Lions to yeah. So that's what I mean like you see. Again. You know you see this impact like the radio is a big deal in thirty, four and thirty five in say, it's not just a coincidence that you'll one year. They're like again, that looks. Like Donald Three, hundred, thousand fans, four, hundred thousand fans wherever in thirty, four and thirty, five, a million, a million, a million, every single year thereafter. All and that's what I'm saying. So this is so this, this is the the. So, this is the impact that that radio had in. This is that the fans is not just Detroit fans now, it's fans from across Michigan. To Tigers, they're hearing about on the radio there following the story in the radio, and it becomes like the Tigers become like Mecca. Like their thing did, oh, my God I'm going to Detroit for this and we're going to watch the tiger game you know, and that's how I was when I was in Kalamazoo. Whatever when when there was the tiger game, you'll go into tiger game was a huge deal. I remember. Yeah. We travel across the state back then. Can Bush says the second time of clothing like back when the Tigers are terrible is easy to find seats and we'd get like a little caesars. Crazy bread was like buy one, get one free, and we'd make the track from Kalamazoo and get You know it would be a we'd get. It was. The tickets were two dollars. and. Then we're going to buy one, get one, dollar each from. Kalamazoo, to get a tiger ticket. But. It was like it was great. You know. But but it was like our Mecca like it was that big of a deal and say, that's how it became. I grew up in the city and I remember it the field trips in grade school going to a tiger game getting on the bus and going down to a tiger game. I would love to have some sad. Be Able to go that close growing up a tiger fan man. Man It was. Like I used to watch it on TV every day and collect the baseball cards. It was like the rare time we'd get out to Detroit to watch a game was huge. It was a big deal, and so I've experienced that side of it from being like from Michigan, right? You're listening or watching every day George. That you know Travis frame and Cecil or some of these legends that a lot of people don't remember these days, but just just perfect storm here and thirty-four is built. This and this is the first year that everybody's exposed to it. So I do have a quote that Wanna read. This this is. This is actually a you know I'm not the only person that's written about the city of champions was the first I was a i. these books are the first ones that come out talk about the city of champions, right? That's fact nor books out there mentioned city champions or or champions day, especially, that discovery is mine and so like seriously I'm the only the first one to mention champions day you know that. That there was the let's just make that clear to quit sure but but there's been others that have written since that I came out in a good one There's a book called. Detroit. The unconquerable. It's it's of a book done by there's Sabre. With Sabre, Saber is a You know they miss well known as the analytics group but you know they're, but they're you know they do I've got my own critiques about the the the, the the the analytics behind it, but but their history is joe is generally very well done, and so on. This particular, there's a book on that was like spacey like a Saber Project called Detroit, the unconquerable in there's a, there's a writer in the book to His name is Matt Bone of hope, I'm pronouncing last name is spelled. Spelled B. O. H. N. in the article. It's this online article in the articles titled Good Afternoon. Boys and girls the nineteen thirty, five tigers on the radio. That's the my little introduction to the to this to this article is you can find it online. But this great little quote that talks about how big I really think it's like this is not in my books and. I just think that they'd he did a fantastic job of finding a quote from some at this moment that shows just how how big of a deal on the Tigers were. How just like how cool it was. So anyways So this the quote that he uses comes from a guy from the new London Connecticut Day named John Deere. Who in September, nineteen, thirty four, which is approximately one. The the quote earlier that I read came out So anyways. So, this is the This is the quote. So on a typical day, it was possible to walk the streets of Detroit and never miss a word of the play by play emanating from radio's in shops and homes. So. So this is John Game. So this kind of introduced gains new London, Connecticut Day wrote about his experience driving through Detroit in September nineteen thirty four. So he's just driving through Detroit and he's telling you what it was like. Okay. In the again, he introduced he introduced by saying I typically was possible to walk through the streets, Detroit and never miss a word of the play by play. So you so you don't even have to. Go on, you can hear it. So this is his actual words even before I reached Dearborn, the radio broadcasts of pre-game activity had begun from there at every gas station and wayside shop a continuous radio broadcasts. The game could be heard from an automobile traveling along the road at a normal cruising speed. As soon as the car passed beyond hearing distance one radio set, another loudspeaker could be heard just ahead. It went that way almost without interruption from Dearborn through Detroit even the customs officials at the tunnel, which takes you from Michigan into. Canada. Canada had a radio set turned onto the game. The following summer as the Tigers neared their second straight pennant. The Associated Press reported that throughout Michigan Radios Blare out accounts of the game from almost every storefront merchandise is only barely visible through shop windows covered by the score by innings. Fans gather at the radio spots every afternoon whether the tiger at home or not in cities throughout the state excitement is that he is at fever. Heat accounts of the Games are announced through amplifying systems across which in several cities have reached three thousand. Like. Did you like? Did you get the picture like this is I mean you can go on your anywhere. Yeah. So you can go anywhere. You know in like the fact, you could walk through a street. And here the and he says, you could continuously here that you're not gonNA single play by play they talk about that. For me growing up. It was CK Kale. W. the big eight. In, Detroit. And the big eight. What does it I'm sorry. Jamie seat. Kale W. Is Music. The music is a Canadian. Music session I, it was the be am eight hundred. CK W. And it changed music. It changed it changed everything. And you hear people telling stories of the same thing about you didn't have to have a radio to listen to. Because it would be streaming out a window zoo becoming out of cars is everybody would listen to seek elda. Responsible for everything good or bad I mean the people that that were programming Gill W. A. went onto to create MTV. Program, the early years of MTV. All right I mean. Yeah. Gone everywhere, the signal was just so massive and it just bounced everywhere i. mean it covered the Midwest entirely and a ton more. Yeah. I it just impactful, and so just as you were talking about that I, remember that article is a good job talk talking by the different radio station where they were set up the different broadcast. Yes. So it's really worth. You know catch the article. It's really the entire articles really well done. So the city got really fired up and there and people were like, Hey, we should probably bring another team in here in it on. There you go. Yeah. That's what I mean. Yeah. So that Brings you know with the city in this crazy excitement of the NFL season opportunity. There's this fantastic team in Portsmouth, Ohio is, are we leading up to the thirty four line? I think? So I think we're going to think let's Show, we can do between but we can. All right, we'll. We'll get to the lions alliance common. And it's tough to. PA. We. 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They could broadcast across the country spread the concept of baseball to maybe the at the corners of the country that hadn't you know hadn't experienced a and they used Detroit backdrop to fill the first MLB movie with sound. It's. Like. We found it. When I was doing all years, I got the art of the original articles that talk about the making the movie George. One of the jets total legend was the guy that directed and filmed it use a former player for the tires he was I mentioned in the in the quote, we just did now George. Already, it was an umpire in thirty four and thirty five, and so it's just an incredible one of my favorite baseball. We think it's literally I know. Know, it's I'm partial to it because it's like I found this moving on now, but I'm telling you when we filmed this. When we screen this movie I, dare anyone I, dare you want to tell me that it's not one of the best bass me they've ever seen I'm going to bring will bring us some players I'm GonNa drag in some players. 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In Detroit champion Zach I thought you were going to US ed. Dot Com. Like I was Jamie and you've got gotta left me going through a dot com. Heated, up. Back. So the website Detroit city champions, dot. com. Charles, I'm having a blast. Yeah, man. I love this. I look forward to it every week. There's say there's there's so many episodes lined up like I. Am I'm actually really I'm grateful to you. Matt back. Here is the only God an oil man. Pushing. Making the magic back there. But. He's doing it. So it's like. Real. Okay I've told the story I estimate. I've told this story at art shows and in speeches and stuff like this. I've told over eighty thousand at least over eight thousand times. I've done the math over eighty thousand figure to have it right by now. A couple, of elements. Club. Every Watt, you actually brought up a good point, which is that usually what I'm talking about this story, it's an intro quick intro, a five minute conversation. It's quick selling a book is moving is the first time I've really got a chance to explore the different elements of it. When I say we're diving really excited about it and we are diving. Put the books go so much deeper still and we're still dispatching. Put My nose together. We're just we're just we're still dispassionate. So keep coming back and scratch and more stuff with us. I don't know that was weird but. Yeah, we'll get into a so like subscribe, leave a comment. We appreciate you spending time with us and listening about this story is the Detroit city champions podcast.

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State Republicans abandon subtlety in attacks on 2020 election

MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)

47:59 min | 4 months ago

State Republicans abandon subtlety in attacks on 2020 election

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GO TO NORTON DOT COM slash motto that's Norton Dot Com slash motto for twenty five percent off the late. Show weeknights at nine on MSNBC. W W J Rio in Detroit has been on the air for literally a century. It's like the godfather of commercial radio in the United States of America www has been broadcasting in detroit with a gigantic fifty thousand watt signal since August of Nineteen, twenty, hundred years and this summer right as they hit that centennial mark of one hundred years on the air in August of this year twenty twenty, they got a tip from a listener ww J. reporter Sandra McNeill took on the story and it turned out to be one of those things that started small and weird and seemingly very local. But. It has since blown up into something that is not at all small and it turns out is not just local. It has stayed weird all along but it's a remarkable thing and it came to a remarkable conclusion tonight. This story that ww Jay God based on this tip from a listener this summer. Is that starting in August people in Detroit who were registered voters the trait is majority Democrat city. It's nearly eighty percent African, American registered voters in Detroit this summer. who had phone numbers in the three one three Detroit area code. They started getting calls that kind of seemed like crimes. And I'm going to play the call for you here. I will tell you before I play it that it is what you're about to hear on this call is unmitigated Bo Punky none of this is true but this is the call slash crime that went out to detroiters this summer. I'm. Not Ninety nine. Founded by Jack Berkman and Jacob. ooh. Mandarin voting found great but they do know that if you vote by mail, your personal information will be other public they that will be leaked assignments to track down. So worn and being used a credit card companies to collect outstanding debt the city even pushing. For they've only to try people for mandatory. I'll be connected door formation for the main. State. Where both by. Wear vote by mail. Vote by mail, your personal information is going to be given to the police to track you down for any old warrants and your personal information will be given to credit card companies to track you down for any old debt, and then the CDC is going to use that information. If you vote by mail to hunt you down and make you take mandatory vaccines that you don't want. Right that's all horse hockey. None of that is true voting by mail in Michigan doesn't actually put your personal information out there anywhere registering the vote means registering to vote but beyond that, how you vote doesn't matter at all. But when Sandra McNeill, on WWe, in Detroit got that recording of call they started looking into it. See if it was a one offer to see if this is more widespread thing. They started looking into it. So did the State Attorney General and the Michigan Secretary of State and those state officials held a press conference and they took the unusual step of releasing the audio recording of that call. So that other people who might have received, it would recognize it but also I think to put people on notice that this was misinformation and if you get this, this is not only wrong. This is potentially a crime they gave a stern public warning saying they're working to find out who was sending these absolutely false calls full of disinformation trying to intimidate voters they asked for members of the public to let them know if they too had received a call like this record, the call record, the date, and time you received it record any identifying information that came in with the call on your caller, id or anything like that. Michigan State Attorney General Dana Nessel warned that it is a felony under Michigan Law to deter or otherwise disrupt a person attempting to vote. So they went big with it. They basically said in that press conference five or so weeks ago you know listen you're targeting mostly black registered voters to dump all this disinformation on them to try to stop them voting by mail the you may think this is cute but this is illegal in this state and we're coming for you. Well today they made good on that threat tonight Michigan State Attorney General Dana Nessel has announced felony charges that have been filed against the two men whose names were listed at the beginning of that call. They have publicly denied having anything to do with this call. They've said, this must be some liberal group trying to make them look bad. It should be noted that callers received these calls also got caller ID messages saying the calls for coming from one of the two men's phone numbers. these guys are are trump supporters and conservative activists with a history of making flamboyant false claims at one point during the special counsel's investigation Robert Muller's office released a public statement announcing that they had referred these guys to the FBI after multiple women came forward to say that these guys had offered them money to make up sexual assault allegations against Robert. Muller. They referred them to the FBI for that. I. Wonder Whatever happened to that FBI referral. These gentleman also fabricated sexual assault allegations against Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buddha judge in the heat of the Democratic primary that allegation fell apart when the person they put forward to make those charges against people to judge publicly recanted and admitted that it wasn't true and publicly explained that these guys had put him up to it. They also tried to fabricate sexual assault allegations against Dr Anthony FAUCI. Seriously they offered cash rewards anybody who would say they heard Joe Biden using racial epithets right. These guys are a peach of a pair and they have been doing this kind of stuff to try to boost the trump campaign and to boost the trump presidency they've been doing it for a long time now apparently with impunity. But now they are facing multiple felony charges in Michigan Four felony charges all related to the election crime of intimidating voters. With a maximum total jail time of I think twenty four years in prison. But here's what's particularly interesting here. The investigation sparked by the Michigan authorities deciding that they were going to go big and go public with this turned up the fact that this wasn't just a local thing that had happened to one or two people. It wasn't even a Michigan specific attack turns out the calls out all over I. It was a Chicago Alter woman a local official in Chicago who alerted the board of elections there that she too had received this racist robocall. At her home in Chicago. Then it was people in Pittsburgh, and in Philadelphia who all said, they got this excuse me this same call. When Attorney General Dana Nessel of Michigan announced these felony charges today she said, the her office conferred with the Attorney General in Illinois or Chicago is and in Pennsylvania where Philly in Pittsburgh are but she says, she also conferred with the Attorneys Journal in New York and in Ohio because it turns out these calls have been going out to majority black districts registered voters in majority black districts all over the country in all in announcing these charges today the Michigan Attorney General's office estimates that eighty five, thousand of these calls have gone out. Just in the past few weeks trying to terrify black voters into not voting by mail at. Eighty, five thousand mostly black voters getting these calls saying if you vote by mail the CDC's going to put you on a list for mandatory vaccination that you don't want. If you vote by mail the credit card companies are going to track you down to find all your debt. If you vote by mail, the police are coming for you. Eighty five thousand of these calls. In. Multiple States. Over a period of weeks. After Attorney General Dana Nessel announced these charges today in Michigan. She didn't interview with that reporter from Wj, who helped break this thing open from the start with that tip from a listener. Reporter Sandra McNeill she asked the AG. The question that actually has been on my mind since I first heard about this story, which is, why did these guys have the goal to use their own names on this robocall? which so obviously appears to be a crime in progress trying to intimidate voters why would you put your name on that while committing that crime that's like robbing a bank and handing your real business card everybody might have witnessed it. Attorney General Nestle told the reporter from WWe Jay in response quote I honestly think that they've gotten away with so many things for so long. They thought that no, one would do anything they thought it wouldn't matter. Turns out matters. Joining us now live from Michigan is the Great State of Michigan's attorney, General Nestle Madam Attorney General. Thank you so much for being here. Tonight know it's a busy time. For having me I really appreciate your use of the term bull hockey I've never heard that before. But they use it. Bowl puppy and horse hockey are terms of art. You're welcome to use either of them. I don't even collect commission anymore. Does ask if I've got any of that wrong or if there's any important part of this. Case that you brought today that you announced today that I've missed. Now I think it was a summation. But what I think I'd like people to know is first of all, you know, yeah, that was twelve thousand calls that were made to the state of Michigan really centralized in the city of Detroit, the three one, three area area code, which is the city of Detroit. The thing about this, that's twelve thousand calls the twelve thousand potential voters trump won the state of Michigan by just over ten thousand votes. So I mean this is incredibly impactful and what I thought about for a long time. What is the point of having all these laws on the books in regard to voter suppression voter intimidation threats against voters if we never actually. Enforce them and what we know about twenty six sixteen is that trump didn't win because of the people who voted for him in Michigan he wanted because of the people who didn't voted all and that is what I think. These folks are trying to accomplish trying to suppress the vote and scare people into not voting action t during the course of a global pandemic, and we're not having it in this state just absolutely neck when you accept that these individuals can be so brazen as to attach themselves personally to these phone calls and think they can just get away with it. If they think it's funny that can joke around about it behind bars as far as I'm concerned. Is there a technical reason why cases like this are hard to bring? Obviously, these gentlemen have the. Office charged today they have their names on the front of this robocalled. They've since publicly denied that they actually made the robocall and said, somebody else must have done this in their names in order to make them look bad or prank them when it comes to the technical nature of proving that these were the people who in the charges conspired to and ultimately committed these acts voter intimidation is it hard to prove? Well. Unfortunately, for Mr, role and Mr Berkman Bud year ago, and my aunt established one of the first set anti. Robo calling task forces and so we were interested at the time in political related robocalls. We were interested in those calls that are made that ended up defrauding, he will and scamming people. So we already had the technology in place. So we knew where these calls were coming from and that allowed us to work with authorities in the state of California and thanks to my good friend. Attorney General Sarah in California who assisted us in this investigation but we have compelling evidence that these individuals committed these crimes and we're quite clear and confident about who the perpetrators of these crimes were. They just obviously never thought that we would actually end up investigate and actually charge but you know voter suppression is a very serious matter as Thomas Paine so So famously stated many years ago I voting is the right upon which all other rights are dependent. So if you deprive somebody of their ability to vote you deprive him of everything else in. Life and you know this has gone on for far too long. I think many people are tired of their scams. This isn't the first time that we've investigated these guys. As you noted, there was a an incident involving judge that involved the state of Michigan, an individual who lived in the state of Michigan. So it's not the person. I've seen their names. On a piece of paper in my office. And we're tired of them coming into our state and stirring up this kind of trouble by using false and misleading statements and trying to threaten or intimidate voters. Are you worried about other types of other approaches toward voter intimidation in Michigan obviously such a crucial swing state. As you mentioned, the margin there in two thousand sixteen was basically nothing We've seen the president and the Biden campaign as well. Pay Lots of attention to the state. Are you worried that this might be designed to dovetail with other suppressive measures or intimidation measures at Michigan polling places? Well. That's what we're expecting here and we've already seen it, and that's why we're trying to work with our partners. I am the many social media platforms. So we've talked facebook and twitter and Google, and Youtube. We're trying to ensure that as soon as we identify misinformation that is out there or disinformation that it is removed or at least at its flag, it's a little hard though when so much misinformation exactly coming from the president of the United States himself. But you know what we have to do is public officials is we have to fight back misinformation with accurate information and make sure that people know. Vote when vote and how to make sure their vote house because I think that this misinformation I, it's out there in an effort to deter people from going to the polling place in the first place from casting their absentee ballot I and we WanNa make sure that doesn't happen by letting people know there are all these different avenues by which you can vote it safe. It's secure ultimately, your vote will count. The votes are counted tabulated the person who has the most votes will win I. So this'll be a free and fair election, but we just have to combat all the noise all the misinformation that is constantly out there that we don't see massive voter suppression, which is again what we saw in two thousand sixteen. Turn Dana Nessel of great state of Michigan. Thank you so much for coming on the Earth s tonight in helping us understand. Good luck to thank you. All right. You know it's. Interesting. It has been an unsubtle day. On this on this when it comes to efforts to try to intimidate, you OUTTA voting to make it harder for you to vote right to set the stage to contest the vote or block the count. Somehow I mean like the attorney general said there in Michigan where these guys who allegedly. Sent those racist robocalls are now being charged with felonies. This charge sheets today in Michigan the Attorney General said trump's the Clinton there in two thousand, sixteen by two tenths of a percent. In Two Thousand Sixteen in Michigan, there was something like four and a half million votes cast and trump won with a margin of less than eleven thousand votes. Basically that happened because black turnout was down in Detroit, and so now we've got these guys allegedly committing felonies to try to target black voters in Detroit to make sure people are too afraid to. That's what they're going for. That is what they're counting on right with targeted facebook and social media ads with Robo calls like this crime. The margins count the margin certainly counted in two thousand sixteen in their counting on it again, and so as we get into this final stretch here, we are seeing these efforts to to chip away democratic margins to make it harder to vote for democratic. Likely Democratic voters. Everywhere. They can particularly places where Republicans hold power today. For example, was the day in Texas Republican Governor Greg Abbott Orders that he ordered this today you order that. He's changed his mind. So forget the previous voting plan in Texas forget what Texas counties were already doing. He said today with one day's notice that as of tomorrow Texas counties have to remove all their dropbox locations for people to drop off their ballots. Now, the counties have installed lots of these drop off locations for ballots in Travis County or Austin is there's four different places to drop off your ballots in Harris, county, which is one of the biggest counties in the country more than four point, six, million people live in that one county. There have been a dozen different places where you can drop off ballots. In all these counties, they've been advertising all their remote drop off locations for your ballots for weeks. They've had these remote drop off locations up and running for weeks. There are even pull observers that are stationed at the drop off locations to make all sides comfortable that everything's kosher and all these places you can drop off your ballots. It's all been up and running in Texas. But. Governor Abbot today with no warning said, all of those sites must be shut down tomorrow. One day's notice he has proclaimed with a proclamation today that there can only be one drop off location per county as of tomorrow. So like Harris, county, which includes Houston. Harris County pick one. You have to close eleven of your voting sites. To Clear Harris County, geographically is roughly the size of Rhode Island. It's nearly two thousand square miles more than four point, six, million people live there. They have to close eleven of the twelve sites where people have been dropping off ballots. You only get one from here on out you get one day's notice to make the call. Nervous much, Texas Republicans. I mean, it's true in lots of small lightly populated rural Texas counties maybe only having one drop off site is not going to make that big of a difference but in big diverse urban counties literally big two Thousand Square Mile counties where almost all of the democratic vote will come from in Texas. This is a last minute notice shutdown to try to keep people from being able to vote. The League of United Latin American citizens, the civil rights group Lou luck has already announced tonight that they are going to sue the Texas governor tonight to try to stop this but the Texas governor is trying to make this go into effect tomorrow. So we shall see. In Pennsylvania crucial swing state of Pennsylvania, we're seeing a whole bunch of things coming together along these lines all at once you'll remember the president in the debate on Tuesday night saying bad things happen in Philadelphia. Telling, his supporters that they need to go into the polls and watch very carefully because bad things happen in Pennsylvania. Excuse me Philadelphia. Trump campaign people this week did try to illegally get into the facilities in Pennsylvania where people were picking up absentee ballots at satellite election offices in Philadelphia earlier this week local election laws do not allow poll-watchers from campaigns at sites like that. So the trump campaign, folks were turned away, and now the trump campaign is trumpeting the fact that there folks were turned away and not allowed to do something illegal. As if that's some sort of Nevada nefarious sign of fraud in Philadelphia. The Federal Department of Justice the trump appointed us attorney in Pennsylvania last week put out that bizarre press release trumpeting the start of a federal investigation into ballots being discarded in Pennsylvania. The you turn going out of his way to save they were definitely trump ballots. The White House, the president, the trump campaign, all jumping all over that with the help of the US Justice Department when it turns out not to have been all trump ballots and just to have been a mistake that was caught and fixed right away at the local level. But not before the trump side tried to turn it into a national rallying cry about the election being stolen by the Democrats in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is one of these states where areas outside the major cities tend to vote Republican and the cities tend to vote more democratic. Course, all that matters for the Electoral College who wins the most votes statewide. But that creates this internal dynamic in the state where the Republican Party tries to demonize and shutdown and make as inconvenient as possible. The vote that comes from the cities in their state. That's why Republicans are hyping Philadelphia so much. They want to win Pennsylvania well, then they WANNA target Philadelphia to tamp down the voting in the biggest source of democratic votes in the state. In Philadelphia, the local Republican Party chairman has just announced that the party intends to have poll-watchers at every single polling station in the entire city of Philadelphia which means the Republican Party plans to have like sixteen hundred Republican poll-watchers in polling places just in Philadelphia. At what could possibly go wrong Bar Gilman at the Atlantic magazine reporting last week that Republican Party officials in Pennsylvania, closely studied the voting in the last election in the primary election specifically to prepare themselves for all the different ways they're going to try to get people's ballots disqualified now in the general election that's Democratic officials in Pennsylvania to re up their efforts to try to teach voters how to fill out and submit and sign their ballots absolutely perfectly since we now know that Republicans will be looking for any way any reason any opening to get your ballot thrown out His the season this is how they are competing this year. Yes sure they'd like there are people vote more than that. They want your vote if you're not gonNa vote Republican they want your vote to be either never cast in the first place or never counted. It's Republicans against voting and everybody else voting against them. But in Pennsylvania specifically where Clinton lost to trump in two thousand sixteen by less than three quarters of one percent right in Pennsylvania specifically. Where right now they're leaning so hard on the vote where they're trying to nationally demonize the whole idea of democratic votes in Philadelphia. Today Republicans took a giant leap forward and their aggression in terms of what they are trying to do to the elections specifically in that state now, I'll tell you this is a live issue and a developing story. The Republicans in the state legislature are trying to ram this through right now this week if they do it, I'm telling you right now the Republican controlled legislatures are going to try to ram it through in their states as well. Democrats are trying to sound a sort of national alarm about what Republicans are trying to do in Pennsylvania right now they are fighting it like you can't believe it's going to be decided very quickly perhaps tomorrow. We're GONNA take a quick break. When we come back, I'll tell you what it is. The Republicans are trying to do in Pennsylvania, this is a whole new gambit from them. We've got a live report from Pennsylvania, from somebody right in the middle of that fight. That's next stay with us. Hi I'm Brooke and Marisha and where the hosts of even the rich a show about people with. Money and a lot of feelings Brooke. What's the worst thing that can happen to a politician getting voted out of office how about driving your car off a bridge and leaving a young woman trapped inside which is exactly what Ted Kennedy did in Nineteen, sixty nine. It was a scandal that rocked the nation and Britain to bring down the entire Kennedy Empire subscribe to even the rich Chappaquiddick on apple podcasts spotify the wonder APP or wherever you're listening right now join wondering plus in the wondering APP, to Listen AG free, support for this podcast and. 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The Philadelphia Inquirer noted in its coverage. First of all that quote, the trump campaign has no poll-watchers approved to work in Philadelphia. At the moment also quote there are no actual polling places open in Philadelphia right now. And other words the only problem with the president's claim that trump campaign poll-watchers were blocked from polling places in. Philadelphia. Is that in the city right now there are no poll-watchers and there are no polling places from them to be blocked. But other than that. Nailed it. What had actually happened is that trump campaign people had tried illegally to get into a place where people could pick up absentee ballots in Philadelphia they're not allowed there neither campaigns poll-watchers allowed in a facility like that but that's it. That's all that happened. So the local paper in Philly responded to the president's election fraud claim by just calling bull punky on it and kind of laughing in the president's face in the process. Republican lawmakers in Pennsylvania on the other hand, they had a very different reaction. This was the headline in the Philadelphia Inquirer the very next day quote Pennsylvania Republicans want to create and control and election integrity panel with subpoena power. Washington Post and their coverage described the committee that the Republicans in the state legislature want to create as having quote wide ranging powers to investigate the vote. Including the ability to subpoena election officials and members of the postal service while the election and vote counting are still in progress. Pennsylvania Democrats expressed alarm Wednesday that the proposed committee in the Republican controlled chamber could disrupt the election by subpoenaing ballots and by bringing election officials and others to testify before the vote count has been certified Republican State Rep Garth d Everett, proposed the resolution and defended it as a way to learn from the twenty twenty election after the fact but he conceded that the committee's work could be done before the voting has been completed. The Guy who proposed the committee was trying to make it sound as innocuous as possible. The Republican leader in the Pennsylvania House went ahead and just said the quiet out loud claiming that recent court rulings ensuring more votes will be counted in Pennsylvania quote injected chaos into the general election and that this new committee the Republicans want to form the legislature will quote ensure the legislature can act as a check on this hijacked process. Judge's ruling that voted that valid should be counted with the Republican controlled legislature can check that. County elections officials in Pennsylvania. The folks who are actually administering this election. They're telling the legislature that instead of doing this new committee to investigate the election while it still underway, it would be super helpful instead if the legislature could quote focused to making changes that could help improve the election. Elections directors have been begging the legislature since this spring to let county start counting this year's high volume of mail in ballots before Election Day so that vote counting doesn't stretch on for days or weeks after election day. But Republicans do not WanNa do that they do not want a quick and efficient counting of votes. They do not see that is in their interests this year at least not in Pennsylvania. Days or weeks of ballot-counting after election day that period of manufactured crisis in a state that could very easily and deciding the presidential election well, with the Republicans New Election Integrity Committee in place raising all kinds of doubts about the vote and subpoenaing uncounted ballots and subpoenaing elections, officials, and postal workers are bringing them in for questioning in the middle of the vote. And do all that until you feel like maybe there's no way to ever know who really won right. And then the legislature will just pick a slate of electors that they think most approximates whatever the vote might have been since the real vote of course can't be discerned such a mess. That's there. Sweet spot this year. That's what they're aiming at. Sure. They'd like to win. But especially in places when they think they might not or they think they will not. They'd rather make sure that it appears that nobody won and they've had to take control. As Democrats in the Pennsylvania, House tried and failed to stop this measure from being voted out of committee. On. Democratic legislator said in protest. He said it loudly quote democracies slowly. And I think this bill would be a fatal blow to our democracy is alive fight right now in Pennsylvania that lawmaker joins us next stay with us. We get support from Madison read it might be hard to get to a salon right now or maybe the expenses holding you back but I'm about call her my own hair at home something I never thought I'd do and a fraction of the cost of going to the salon. All. Thanks to Madison Reed I've been hearing about Madison Reed for awhile now, my friend Cat told me how happy she was with her results and she even sent me a picture in her hair really does look great. So I went on their website they walked me through every step of the process to make sure I picked my perfect shade my Kit just arrived and I'm super excited to try it out. You can get multidimensional color starting at just twenty two dollars at Madison Dash Reed Dot Com. Use Our code motto and you'll get ten percent off plus free shipping on your first color kit. Again that's Code Matto at Madison Dash. Reed Dot Com. Democracies. Die Slowly and I think that this bill would be a fatal blow to our democracy. When we talk about what was just reviewed? This. Guess, we're calling committee on election integrity has no integrity has none we heard the president last night say bad things happen in Philadelphia the reality is bad things are happening in this committee. This is a bad bill that should never have been brought up this unacceptable and despicable piece of legislation. Thank you for your comments and this agenda shelving Mr Speaker. I'm not finished I MR chairman you are not finish you. Finish like why can't even think you should be allowed to finish I was elected just like you. If you live longer if you would lower your tone can tell me to lower my tone but I'm not gonNA lower when we're talking about democracy and people's votes, this bill would allow ballots to be subpoenaed. Typically. Says you CAN'T SUBPOENA BALLOT IT WORK MR MR chairman. Mr Chairman. Contract in the constitution is. A lot of things are in the constitution that resolution is ignoring including. The fact that folks have a right to have a free and fair election, which this is going to blow out. This is unacceptable Mr Chairman and I will get. Time I know and I'm glad that you're keeping count because this is unacceptable and I am so disappointed that you would even bring this up when I read this and it had your name when I was so disappointed. You should be to. You should be ashamed. Okay. then. I'll make a motion. You can make whatever points you want. You're not gonNA shut me up. You you're out of order you've been out of hey. You're sitting out of order wherever The member will have if you. Don't get to. Threaten Him with securely get your member of security come. DRAGGED ME OUT MR chairman get your member under control. I missed the Mr Mr Chompy you're not gonNA. Get me under control you need to make a complaint getting Malcolm Kenyatta under control. Making a motion doing this this this this your caucus is acting more like a cult. Then it's acting like a caucus and I'm. Making personal I am ending my statements there. This is personal because the democracy is personal to me, it should be personal to you. Know One is getting Malcolm Kenya under control your the moment their representative Elkan Yada is trying to stop what's happening. In Pennsylvania, the Democrats in the legislature, they're trying to stop it Republicans in Pennsylvania. This is potentially going to end up being a story of serious national significance. They are trying at this late date to create a brand new select election integrity committee that they're giving subpoena power to investigate the twenty twenty election in the middle of the twenty twenty election. You heard Representative Kenyatta they're introduced a motion to table that altogether that's a Republican controlled committee in that motion failed. But this fight is not over yet and the national spotlight on. This is only getting hotter. Joining us now is representative candidates Democratic member of the Pennsylvania House of. Representatives. He serves the part of Philadelphia County Representative Sir thanks very much for being here I. Appreciate Your time tonight. Thank you so much. Rachel, and thank you for talking about this I. Say all the time what happens in state legislatures matter. Yeah and Boy. Does it feel like it's easy to understand the national implications of what happens in state legislatures right now but I don't know that we're seeing in any other state a last minute move by a Republican controlled legislature to try to institute a new. To control the vote and to potentially the way that the democratic excuse me that the presidential election is is is conducted I is, is this something you guys newest coming or was it as much a surprise to you as it was to those of US outside the State? Usually, we get twenty four hours notice before made hearing of the bills that are coming up they. Are inboxes you know I think right before the presidential debate and for Mumps now Rachel they've been trying to throw sand into the gears of our democracy, and now they're standing up this election integrity committee that as I said, has no integrity to investigate the sand. You know they have parodied of president trump's fever dreams around voter fraud but here's the reality. The only fraud I see is Donald Trump. He lies to the American people he cheats on his taxes and now he was. Trying to steal in election in unfortunately, Republicans in Harrisburg and Republicans across the country are more than happy to help him destroy our democracy. They have decided Rachel that they're not going to contest this election on policy or on the progress that we need to see on climate change in healthcare. In this Kobe nineteen pandemic, they're not gonNA have the election on those terms they are doing everything. They can to take away the power of our vote here in Pennsylvania to maintain their power. We've seen so many different stories out of Pennsylvania in tight period of time just over the past few weeks in terms of the trump campaign the national republican party working through the local Republican officials in the state and trump appointed federal officials in the state to try to essentially burn a hole through Pennsylvania voting plans through sheer dint of attention and. Demonizing, the idea of any democratic votes out of Pennsylvania and specifically Philadelphia I mean from from the Federal Investigation weirdly announced by the US attorney before he sort of recanted it before anybody figured out what had actually happened there to the president talking about bad things happening in Philadelphia from the debate stage totally mischaracterizing this thing with with poll-watchers calling for his supporters to turn out in great numbers and go watch the polls while he's talking about Pennsylvania. From the outside it feels like they've got everything they've got trained on trying to intimidate people voting, trying to screw up the voting process and Pennsylvania how much confidence do you have that they'll succeed at that or do you feel like? Pennsylvania knows what it's doing in terms of carrying out this election. This is noise but things will go things will go like like ought to. So I think people need to understand and I've been doing my level best as elected official here to reinforce the fact that we have free and fair. Here in Pennsylvania, we have saints elections here in Pennsylvania is safe to cast your ballot by mail or any other way you choose but I think one of the things we have to be focused on and I said it right at the top is on our state legislature Rachel are we get sworn in January but the term for state legislature actually starts on December first in so you know a couple days ago I went on a five day tour across the state helping colleagues in future colleagues get to the House to win back this chamber which we have held for a decade if we are able to win the. Chamber in November we can stop this. We can stop it, but people have to get engaged and we need to have the spotlight trained on what they're doing and your training the spotlight on it right now, and what happened yesterday with Chairman ever it you know it wasn't about me. He was trying to silence me because I was a making clear what their scheme was to try to disenfranchise black and Brown people in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh into silence. The voices of people of conscience who are rising up across the state who want to cast their ballot again, Donald Trump and for a different vision on that Joe Biden represents. And At the end of the day, none of us can be silent about what's going on and so if people want to stop this, they need to get involved with the HCC they need to get involved with local State House races here and in Pennsylvania and they need to call Speaker Cutler call chairman ever call leader Benny Hoff and he's held them to stop trying to disrupt the vote and to get their. Hands off of our democracy they tried to silence me yesterday and I would not be silenced and I think every single one of us should raise our voice about what is happening because they can't win fair and square they are committed to cheating and I. Think it is. It is a shame to watch this Pennsylvania House Republican Caucus. As I said, go from a caucus to cult I'm ashamed to see an actor. State Representative Malcolm Kenya Democratic Member of the Pennsylvania House, of Representatives Sir. Thank you for helping us understand I know that you are right in the middle of this, and as you're saying, not just in your district statewide keep a surprise. This is a really really important national story. Thank you so much for talking about it reaching. Representative cannot was saying there about the focus on the state legislatures he's right and he's not just saying that because he's in a state legislature and he thinks his local fights are important. What's going to happen in state legislators? particularly in swing states with Republican controlled state legislatures is going to be really really really important and we need to start building up muscles in the national media and in terms of what we pay attention to just as citizens nationwide to watch for things in these legislatures. Particularly Republican controlled legislatures in swing states to watch for these kinds of scams like they're trying. The Republicans are trying to pull off in Pennsylvania a late breaking never heard of before new select committee that's going to oversee the election that they're just forming in the middle of the election and they're giving themselves control over it and subpoena power. Really Republicans control the legislature in Pennsylvania and in Arizona and in Florida and in Michigan and North Carolina and Wisconsin, and all of those states are going to be hard fought and what the legislature tries to do in those states to potentially mess with the vote to mess with the count to mess with the assignment and election of electors to the electoral college that is going to be national news in all of those states, and we gotta start training our sights on that stuff. Right now all right. We'll be right back actually with a bit of breaking news about somebody at the White House a very high profile person at the White House has just been diagnosed with covid. I'll have that story for you when we come back stay with us. Want. To let you know about some news that has broken late tonight does first reported by Bloomberg News. It's about hope Hicks one of the president's closest aides. and longest serving advisors shade has today tested positive for the Corona Virus Ho picks, of course is a very high profile White House. Staffer, you might remember that she left the White House for a while to go work for Fox I believe but then she came back to the White House in February of this year. Now, the White House has not made any kind of announcement direct comment about her contracting Cova, but the initial report from Bloomberg has now been matched by NBC. News. And by other news outlets. And we of course, hope for the best from his Hicks, for her own sake. Hopefully, this'll be a full and quick recovery for her but. One additional thing to worry about here is this. Hope Hicks traveled with the President on Air Force One today's ago. On Tuesday to and from the presidential debate here she is stepping off the plane in Cleveland without a mask. Then yesterday the day before she tested positive she traveled with the president to his rally in Minnesota, and for that right she was in even closer quarters with President Xi road with him on Marine One on the president's helicopter, and again, nobody wears masks around this president. He likes he makes fun of people who wear masks. White House official has told NBC News Tonight that contact tracing has been done and that quote the appropriate notifications and recommendations have been made. Sure, have been. Somebody positive. Not Wearing a mask that close to the president in that tight quarters for that long approximity. That's a big deal. We'll be right back. I can guarantee you have not heard about this and that you going to be interested. On the night that Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg died. One of the things that happened that night that never made any news because the news about the justice just overwhelmed everything. Is that that night the Muller report got unredacted. A bunch of at least here's an example of what came out from behind the block reduction boxes that Friday night footnote forty, nine on page twenty, three of the original version of Muller's report that we'd all seen described efforts by that Russian troll farm to Criticize Hillary, Clinton's record of Secretary of state. And then it says in that footnote, the IRA Internet research agency also used other techniques such as redacted, redacted, productive, productive well that was just unredacted by court order that Friday night that Justice Ginsburg died. Now, we can see that actually said it said quote in early Twenty Fifteen Ira Internet research agency employees published an online adult published on online adult video sites a purported adult film involving. Hillary. Clinton. That had been redacted. Now, it's not good to know. Also check out page twenty-seven seven. There was a big blacked out chunk in the middle of the is we had seen it newly unredacted at sites one Internet Research Agency boss saying that an Internet postings quote Clinton should be portrayed supporter of illegal Latinos from poor countries of South America, creeping across the US border gangsters, drug cartels of Latin America American. Muslim migrants, the emphasis should be made on. The role of so-called undocumented Democrats in the elections that was the Russian instruction to Russian trolls for what they should contribute to the campaign about Hillary Clinton in two thousand sixteen. Good to know right. Also good do now especially when right now trump's director of national intelligence and Senate Republicans are promoting a conspiracy theory of Russian origin that the Clinton campaign somehow invented the whole trump Russia scandal as well. That was just some of the new information that was redacted two weeks ago went largely unremarked upon because when and where it happened in the news. But now the same judge who ordered those reactions if you weeks ago has told the Justice Department that they need to release a further fifteen pages of millers report. These are blacked out sections that relate to Muller's decisions about who to charge and who not to charge discussions related to the Democratic Party getting hacked in two, thousand sixteen and the trump campaign being interested in those documents and when wikileaks released them that. June? Fifteen. Pages of the mole report getting unredacted the specific date by which the Justice Department has to unredacted the stuff I kid you not the judge says. On or before November? Second Twenty. Twenty. So on the eve literally the eve the day before the presidential election, fifteen more pages, the Muller report including potentially why they didn't charge the president. Night before the election. That does the first tonight. We'll see you again tomorrow the legal matter show weeknights at nine eastern on MSNBC. Hey, guys Willie geist here this week on the Sunday sit down podcast I get together for a rare conversation with John Cusak to talk about his new series Utopia and his long career of memorable roles and get our conversation now for free wherever you download your podcasts.

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"A science experiment gone terribly wrong. Here's what's coming up on the nice guys on business apple, two, two hundred and fifteen billion dollars in revenue. Just so you know, they two hundred thirteen billion. I spent almost a billion on three icons. Locally sourced organic gluten free and topic to table. It's the nice guys on business podcast, need an education on how to grow your business. The nice guys are here to help learn about great customer service networking and how just being nice can help you prosper. Now, here are your host, Doug Sandler and Strickland Bonner. Hey, welcome back. Welcome back advance. My name's Strickland. Bonner on the other side of the microphone. Doug Sandler. You made it through another weekend. I don't know how you did it. I do it every week. Why right now, it sounds like you've had a little bit of coffee. You have any caffeine as it happened already know caffeine caffeine, but our houses on the market as any of you regular listeners may now. And so I don't know if you guys know this but win your house on the market and you're actually living there when there's a showing right when somebody wants to see the house, you have to be out like people don't want to see houses when like the people that are living there. Is that do you do? They feel like you're gonna influence like, doesn't the selling agent want you to like help them. That's what I would look at it when they want you to want to hear you would think right? Like I can give them tips and tricks on the house or whatever. But apparently the psychology of it is that when they come in, they wanna make it feel like it could be their own home. And so if somebody else's, they're like the people that are living there already. It can't feel like that. My I don't like this plan already. I think that the selling agent, they want you to want to help you sell the help us sell your help them sell your house. I would think. But apparently this is pretty standard protocol. I'm sure Sean carpenter or Ryan cross could help us out with this because I would love to get a voicemail on this because obviously they do it or I mean, Sean doesn't do well, Sean, does a direct selling again now, and Ryan doesn't do the direction, but I'm sure he did for quite a while. Those live real estate. So I'd be curious about that. But anyway, bottom line is. We. So we have to keep the house like perfect all the time, right? All personal stuff has to be put away as we clean constantly the be the bids made and all that stuff at load bed alone would exclude you for. I know exactly the whole good that is not good for the Bonner's. Now, Dow does everyone in your family kind of adhere to the same philosophy where now I know that if you needed to, you could go into neat mode. I remember when used to work in Washington, you did go into the mode. It wasn't often, but you could do it. I think you did it a little bit begrudgingly. But you did it, is there is there anyone in your family that has a particularly difficult time with with the cleanup? Yeah, Amanda. It's not crazy about it, but she just doesn't like change tried sheets not really crazy about like the whole process. I mean, she's like kind of excited about Austin. Yeah, just hates the whole process of having to move because like now we got a clear the house, right? We got to leave to make. So when people get here that we're not here. Yeah. Yeah, they give us a window of like an hour, right? So we're supposed to be out of here like twenty minutes before the beginning time, just. To let you to let your Eric clear out. Is that all about to let any stale farts that you may have left behind? Just clear what is that? You gotta be out twenty look show up on time a women. First of all, I, I guess I, I'm a little guilty of that today. So show up on time. Do do what you need to do, take his long as you need if you want to walk through the house, not one. I think with the last showing you said normally it's like twenty minutes forty, five minutes later they're still in your house. Okay. So yeah, and then that's where it gets weird. Right? So I understand having been in the process now looking at houses in Austin, right? My real turn, I would get together and we would make a list of six, seven, eight houses that we want to go see. And so it's hard to give an exact time because you don't know how long it's going to take from to go from one house to the next. And how long are you going to spend in a house? So a one hour window I think is fair. Okay. Buck and somebody could get your early right? Like if we're the fifth or sixth house on the list and they're getting thrown quickly, I understand a window of, you know, six o'clock to seven o'clock and you want it. They want us out by five, forty, five, I totally make sense, but we got a call earlier today. That said it was a window between six and eight. It's like a two hour window where, like, you know, we, we live here, right? We really. Don't want to have to clear out for two frigging hours just for a ten minute show. Right? And the other day when you and I had a meeting to we had, we had an appointment that was seven to eight, right? So we leave and we're out of the house by, you know, six forty, five, right? And we come back eight o'clock and there's like two cars in the drought drilling. Okay, trouble. It's either trouble or really good. It's like, maybe, are they working on like they're not like like sitting at your dinner table, having a snack. This was annoying because we're thinking, oh, we're not gonna kick him out. Maybe they really like the house. They're looking at really hard because they really like it. Right. Well, apparently like for the last ten or fifteen minutes avail, it was like six or seven people that came. They had two cars because it's so many people need to see the house and. Was was a Mexican family. We're not going to get any price not going there. Well, it could have been a Jewish family. Also, it was the mother in law and the father in law. Everybody that's going to move into the house. I figured, why don't I pick on somebody else's nationality, other than mine l. okay. All right. So we found out like they were just kind of hanging out in the driveway for ten or fifteen minutes afterwards. Just, you know, just talking just shooting the shed, just whatever. Like dude it show up on time for your appointment. Okay. And then you can hang out but don't show up like in the last ten minutes and then stay for twenty-five. It's bullshit. It is what it is. So that's been like the whole process. And so of course, I had an appointment today that was supposed to be six to eight, and we call them, said luck and you make it six to seven. Look, we live here and so. Sunday evening and it's evening, right? We're hanging out in our house will live in our lives, right? And it's like, hey, we gotta clean up and leave. Okay, we're, we're cool with that, but don't make us like how them all for two hours just because you're not exactly sure when you're going to be here and then so we request back looked. Can you narrow this to our right? We're cool with any our in here. It doesn't and then they they called back in their life. Okay, that's fine. But we're actually on our way right now. So how about five thirty to six which again would have been fine except that Doug. I were supposed to record at four and ten after four, I hear nothing from Doug. Now you have to understand. You have to understand that if you have a four o'clock appointment with Doug and you have at least heard from him by four, zero two, there's a very good chance. He's in the hospital. Okay. I'm telling you Doug is not late for anything. Okay. Four zero eight by common. Are you coming? Are you coming Douglas. Ocean. I thought it was four thirty. I was like, dude, you set the time for o'clock. I didn't even need to double check at you or a one hundred percent, right? I'm like as soon as you said that I'm like, oh, I had my. I totally messed up on my time today. I was visiting my brother who's out of the hospital now and he's hanging out at the house and I'm like, yeah, okay. I was watching the football game with them and talk into a buddy of his. And I'm thinking at four. I'm gonna leave here at four o'clock gives me fifteen extra minutes in case there's any traffic or anything to get to the house set up my stuff and by four, twenty five, I will be set. And when you sent me that message at ten at eight after four, I'm thinking, oh shit. I commend this, this, let this. We known on today's date, September whatever it is. Doug Sandler with labored appointment Strickland. Bonner. You like to lie us? I think you, you appreciate me being Lakers. It never happens. I think it never had never happens, but come on, you gotta admit I'm much better with with you now. Usually always with stuff happens sometimes, but I'm definitely try very hard. I don't like being late, especially now, you know what's so interesting now it used to be. You could be like, oh, my wall Chua, slow. It's like, no, no, everybody's everybody's gonna fucking computer now. Right? So I do at my work. I'll do meetings a lot. Right. And you can look at the clock and you know everybody's clock is exactly the same. So it's like dude, you can't be a minute late. Not good thing. Not even a minute late. You can't it. It is not good. You definitely your own time. Your your phone? Everything is like atomic time now. It's like, right. I unplugged my clock. Nope. No, excuse any longer. Exactly. So fun can fans. We're recording our Tuesday episode now quickly. That's what I'm talking quickly. So we can get through the episode in like ten minutes. Oh, I had a lot of topics I wanted to talk about today now. That's okay. We've got the thirty minutes for it's okay. It's all good, but he's got to require Thursday episode later tonight. So I don't know if you notice that I dropped four voicemails. I think it was four voicemails. I have to click on the link voicemails the, oh, you have them got him. Yeah. What do you wanna do you wanna do one or two of them today and then a couple more on on Thursday, or do you want to play all of them on the same day? That's a good plan. We could do that. We can do a couple today in a couple of on Thursday, and you know, it's amazing. We've actually hit two of our topics already. I haven't even read them and we've already hit Doug's lateness and we hit was the other one. We hit the house on the market. Yeah, my house in the market. There we go. It's amazing thing. Can we get into another topic that I think is near and dear to me right now? Sure. While I load up the voicemails absolute. Sure. So the topic the time, and I have to have to be a little bit careful in my conversation here because because I am. At my mom's house while I'm staying in Baltimore, I'm on a, I'm on a west coast east coast journey this week have two gigs plus the training. A gig here. JJ is going to be meeting me here mid week. But you know, interesting conversation I had with my mom earlier this week is she? She's got a boyfriend. I know I'm so excited for my mom and the issue is not that my mom's got a boyfriend. It's the the the the question is how everybody in the entire family will feel about my mom having a boyfriend. I mean, it's it's very interesting. My my mom lost my stepdad about three years ago. Actually. Just left him at the mall. Can't find him. Really lost him. Thank you. Know my my, my stepdad passed away a hint about three years ago. This December, it'll be three years and you know, my mom has gone through it. I think they were together like forty two years forty, seven years. So it was a, it was a long. It was a long marriage. It was actually, but like ten times longer than any other matters at my mom had. And this was marriage number three. So, and I'm actually working on keeping up with my mom berry very difficult. In terms of marriage count, but I'm working my hardest added. So anyway. So my mom's got this boyfriend. His name is Ted and he's and he's really nice guy. I mean, I I happen to like the guy. I think he's a, I think he he's a good guy. He treats my mom, right? But then it gets into the whole concern over, you know, whether, you know you're eighty. Something year-old mom should be dating another guy, and it's like, I don't have any issue with it. But I guess there's some people in the family that just don't feel the same way. They're like really little controlling. You know a little bit what animal like come on. Mike makes my mom happy. That's number one they give gives her something owner schedule, which I love that. And and I think he treats her nice. I mean, I I have who's who's who say is this aside from my mom's, who else would be able to have the say own whether she should be having a relationship with anybody? I mean, it's not. It's not my responsibility to tell her to or not to have a relationship and and I think it's also it's in my place to share any feelings the way I, what's the difference on how I feel about him, isn't it all about how she feels about him? I'm very curious because I know I'm sure that there are a lot of members of your family that have feelings about this. Is there like, is it one person that is uncomfortable or doesn't want her seeing somebody? Or is it like a number of members of your family? I thought call anybody out, you know, we can. We can. We can make some direct direct to call outs here. I would say that the the issue is that I think that those that are involved with my mom who has everybody in my family are just concerned for my mom. They're concerned that that may be that she's going to be taken advantage of or that she doesn't necessarily can't really decipher between good relationship and bad relationship. I'm like, you're fucking kidding me right? Right? I mean, she did raise the entire family. You realize that, right? I mean, she is the the matriarch of the family and she she has gotten to her age, not by stupidity, but by by wisdom and not cheer luck. So Sheila smart enough to get rid of two husbands and keep one that was good for forty years. Right. Well, I guess one of those got rid of her, but that's okay. Again, I'm just trying to keep up with my mom and I'm following in exactly in her footsteps. I don't know. So I just I look at it and I just say, who is better than my mom? Did it Termine whether my mom is happy or not. So. Interestingly enough. So as having a conversation with my mom and my son, we had breakfast today and a one of the things that that came up is my mom. I, I keep inviting her to come out to LA to visit. So she said, hey, maybe I'll mention this to to Ted Ted's or boyfriend amend to the Ted, and will will make the trip out. And I'm like, no way you guys are gonna come across the country, like getting a car and go like they don't fly. So they would want to Dr price thinking. Right, exactly. So on thinking, all right. All right. This is cool. So I just the whole conversation just about, okay, how does this work and who's paying for what? And I'm just curious, like how the whole thing goes down. Like when you get to the point of adulthood where they are, it's like, how does this all work? I'm just, I'm just curious, how does it work? Stricklin any idea who who should have say so and whose opinion matters. And and should she listen anybody in the family Woody? What's your opinion on this whole thing? Okay. So I got a number of questions, and I got a lot of questions. All right. First of all, Ted, right? Yup. Is he like thirty years old forty years old? No, he's eighty six years old. Okay. Eighty six years old. So I'm guessing that he's not like some gold digger trying to take your mom's money, so I'm not too worried about that. You know? I know. I don't think he's a good guy. All right. I think he's a good guy. I think he treats her well, but let's go back to the first part of the question. Is he somebody that might be after my mom for money on? Well, I to know my mom would know that you know it's not like she's got a, you know, a Fort Knox sitting in the Bank. She's got enough to be comfortable. She's got enough to do enough social security and other investments to to help her pay for herself, but she doesn't certainly doesn't have in excess and needs the money that she has. So could he be taking advantage of her? I guess somebody with lesser means might be taking advantage her, but I haven't. I haven't felt that about him so far. He doesn't come off that way. As far as you can tell not to not to me, not to. So the second question is, was your uncle who lives in California? It wasn't. He a pilot. Not a pilot, but he was a, he wasn't the military. Why do you ask that question? I'm curious because it's just strange to me that your mom won't fly. Oh, you're my mom. My mom will fly, but Ted doesn't fly and he would fly, but they're looking at this. I said, I said to my mom will how much time do you have to invest in this in this little trip? She goes, I don't have anything else to do. So I guess she's got all the time in the world. So if it took a week to get there a week to get back and you spend a week there, so, okay, three weeks or a month, I guess, would be the timeframe. Well, it is all about the adventure. I guess. I mean, I, it's just strange to me because again, I would think, oh my God, what an unbelievable pain to drive across the country. But hey, if you want the adventure, hey, then it's not a pain, right? Then you want to it because you want it who knows? Maybe she wants to go drive across the country and have fun and see some different things. Yeah. How would you feel if somebody said, okay, strick I'm gonna take away all of your all of your job and financial responsibilities. You have nothing that you have to worry about in terms of timing or you don't have anything on your agenda. You've got a year. Okay. Do you take a month of that year and and just say, okay, I'm gonna. I'm gonna just make take a trip. Well, its everybody likes different things too. I mean, I think at that age, if I had nothing else going on, I might enjoy doing that. But like some people love camping, right. Some people love something like fly fishing or going out to the national parks, others of us. I don't think even when I get all lobby interested in that, but to each his own. That's okay. It's all good. Okay. So so the conversation then got to well, how does this work? I mean, who pays for what? Yeah, that's a question there. I said, I said you're not assuming that he's going to pay for the trip, right? She goes well, I don't know. I said, well, can I give you some advice? Are you open to advice? And she said, yeah, I said, I think it would make sense that you guys split the trip, you know, just right down the middle and she's like, well, I don't know if I can afford it. If I do that, I'm like, well, then you shouldn't be going. You know, that's that's the other side of it. I I want to. I don't want her to take advantage of him either. I think it's, I think it's a, I don't know. I'm hitting us from a perspective of man. If I was going across the country. Like let's say, JJ and I drove across the country. And let's say that we had a month to do it and get back again. I'm not going to. I'm not going to expect her to foot my Bill, nor would I have her expect me to pay her Bill or should I be responsible for paying for her Bill? So I just think you know, you guys look at it and you is split it right down the middle, and maybe you set up. You don't have to set up a Bank account, but maybe you have a credit card that you that you put everything on at the end of the trip. You guys just write a check or do whatever you have to do to split right down the middle. That's actually what I hadn't thought about that. I was gonna say, like, how would you figure that? But you're right. You could just put everything on a credit card and then you know what when the Bill comes in just whoever's card, it's not write a check for half or you. You put a couple of bucks in in each other's pockets. You put two hundred dollars in cash in your. Pocket. Two hundred dollars goes in his pocket for incidentals, put the rest on a on a credit card. And at the end of the trip, you see how much cash she have left in your pocket, if any. And and you split the Bill rate in have. I don't know if there's any other better. Fair more fair way to do it. Unless unless one person is driving and there's quote unquote wear and tear on the car. But I don't know. I think it's that split Nichols here. Yeah, interest. So I am. I hope that she makes the journey. I think it would be kinda cool. You know what? It would give her a chance to really see if they if she could if she's compatible and get along with this guy. Oh, that's for sure. Yeah. When you're stuck together for that long, you get real quick. You realize if it's somebody along with or not. Right, right. So I'm interested in figuring out if this is a this is a good match for her. Yeah, definitely. Will. We can. Adventures of Ted. Ted's excellent adventure. Can we? We'll have a Ted update in the any community, a Ted update coming soon to a podcast episode of the nice guys near you. So what's your mom's name? Rosalie, Rosalie intents, excellent adventure. Okay, so we'll we'll, we'll update you will keep it. We'll keep it moving forward for you. Okay. I think we gotta get to to voice mails today and now it we'll have two more four next time. Okay. There's one other category. Not one of the category. What other topic that I really think we need to get to. Okay. Dying to hear about this. Okay. It's not Doug lateness by the way. I think you probably know what it is. You have a guess. I'm gonna go with. I'm going to go with the Lululemon or the yoga pants. No, that's definitely a very interesting to me, but I I'm pretty familiar with that topic on which one I know it's one jail time for a classmate. Exactly jail. I'm for glass mate. That's hard to hear about. This'll be good. This'll be good. All right. We'll get into it. Let's go into now. Do we want to do that? We do that. That smell. Yeah, let's do voicemails. I okay. And that is that going to be a longer topic? Not necessarily. It could be a pretty quick topic, but I do, but it is a, I never really thought of this. So I I want to tell you an interesting experience I had today. Should I play the voicemails? I, yeah, I play the way sales. Okay. Let's get to the first force male here. I don't know who they're from. I have no idea. I just dropped them all in that. Casey, North Carolina, just wanna let you guys know that whoever the fuck, right, but I wanna be real first seconds about the there for your societas. I'm part of one of the biggest corporations and have about three hundred and fifty associates, and through this hurricane where the biggest things that matter to me change my life came up perspective is that I was there and I was communicating in. I was on the front line for my socio too worried about what was going on in their business has how I should run a business. And that's how you start a business. I'm not entrepreneur worked for big corporation. Probably the biggest corporation extinct of, but share that a little message there and keep slippery up. Well, thanks, Casey, what? What? What are they? So things want wanna point out about that. Okay, please. First of all, Casey, thank you for calling. I love the fact that we're getting new. Listen, we're getting new people call in. They're all about the fucker. Second of all, I may have interpreted this wrong at the beginning, but it sounds like Casey's calling and we've never heard from him for any mmediately. He's calling us out. The listeners are comfortable enough to go, hey, hey, Doug constrict money's Casey. You've never heard from me before, but. Hey, fuck you. Okay. Wait what he did that he, he was saying, hey, the first thing I gotta do. It's like, hey, you gotta be there right for for your associates because it sounded like where he was going was to say, hey, you guys aren't there for your associates for your fans. So I guess we know. So I say it sounded like where he was going, but then he didn't end up going there. I think he was just trying to make the point of, hey, it's so important to be there. And by the way, I know when. When the hurricane hit Houston. Last year, you know, Ryan Bo cross listen Houston, and he was like, you know, helping people out and collecting money and getting boats and Casey, dude, we appreciate it. We have not mentioned hurricane Florence at all, and and you know, being in in Baltimore area, I'm relatively close to it. I mean, it kinda hit the Virginia, but North Carolina, South Carolina just got really monstrously crush o'casey. I appreciate you bringing that up and we love you and appreciate that. You like the fuck ary. Anything that you guys can do to help any of the victims of hurricane Florence, whether it's donate to the good to the Red Cross, you know, or whatever it may be. I, it's just God. I couldn't even imagine like I was just watching something on the news yesterday where the hurricane had hit like a couple of days before. Right. I mean, it was gone. It was done and there's this town that seemed fine. And then within an hour, there was two feet of water like every how. House in the town was flooded, like they thought, hey, we missed it. You know, we dodged a bullet, right? But there was something with the floodwaters or something. I don't know exactly how it happened. But like all of a sudden it's like it's like surge. Doc, man. I mean, it's just crazy to think about that and it's such a helpless feeling and gazing, whatever it is that you do whatever work for you or there for your people. We totally shared it and I hope that it didn't hit you directly. I'm curious. He mentioned twice that he works for the the biggest company probably known. So I wasn't like Wells Fargo. Curious, curious what company he worked for. You mentioned it twice, but he only has good things to say, maybe ashamed that he listens to the nice guy. So what the company name, right? His company. He didn't want the company associated with us. It's not like he's embarrassed about the company works for us and various about us. I'm thinking like an apple, Google IBM, like what is the big hang on to look that up right now? What's the biggest company in the world. Wow. Well, what is what's the biggest company in the United States? Let's try that. Well, it could be like WalMart or something to WalMart and then Berkshire Hathaway Exxon Mobil. Apple will in order for five hundred WalMart berkshire-hathaway apple Exxon, McKesson, United health group Mao they were that big and then our Casey casing, oh my God, CPS top ten fortune. That's crazy. I didn't know that. Why is that by dollars or is that by employees count or wouldn't? Casey? What were you referring to? Exactly two dollars or employee count? Well, it looks like this is in terms of dollars. Okay. Okay. It is interesting that WalMart is wow, okay. This is so interesting. Thanks, Casey, I'm sure you didn't mean for us to go off on this tangent, but I'm looking at this company trying to the top fifteen on the fortune five hundred list, right? So apple is number three. Okay. Although interesting in. Prophet there like looks like they're number one anyway. Okay. Terms of revenue? Okay. Apple two, two hundred and fifteen billion dollars in revenue. Okay. Berkshire Hathaway did two hundred and twenty three billion. Now I it was just so you just so you know they two hundred thirteen billion. I spent almost a billion on three icons. I bought mine. I had to repair one. I've bought a second one and I bought my mom's iphone. So that's that's one billion dollars. There. Actually, I did get the insurance plan that was an extra one hundred million. Exactly. And then Exxon is two hundred and five billion. All right. Let's not go off here. You it's the way you say off the rails. Okay, so numbers two, three and four are two hundred and five million two hundred fifteen two hundred. Five billion. Two hundred fifteen billion. Two hundred twenty three billion. Do you know what WalMart does? Berkshire-hathaway number two, two hundred twenty three billion. Do you know? WalMart doesn't sales. So is WalMart bigger number one. Okay. So it goes from two hundred twenty three billion which is Berkshire Hathaway to what is what is WalMart. So I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. Five hundred billion. Almost four hundred eighty five bills. As is. That's insane. Now it's interesting though. WalMart. WalMart did thirteen billion profit in two thousand sixteen thirteen billion profit, right? Thirteen billion in profit. Okay. Forty. Five billion dollars in pro l. a. come on. Isn't that obvious to see? I mean they're selling potato chips at a at a two percent margin at at WalMart where they're selling the iphone that's probably has an eighty five percent margin at the apple store. Well, that's what is really interesting because that's really what's true as I'm looking through the rest of the list right on average. You're looking at, you know, ten billion to three billion, eight billion. I mean most of these companies are making a billion in profit, but very few are making more than ten billion in profits or they're making like a five percent. They have a five percent profit margin. Yeah. Yeah, most and what's Apple's profit margin, thirty percent, right? No, it's a twenty forty. Two hundred fifteen forty five. Twenty two percent or show. Twenty percent net net. That's unbelievable. Wow, that's crazy. People love their apple ship. Well, holy shit. I mean, just look at this when you go in there and you get a, what the hell's the name of that designer. Kate Spade when you get a Kate Spade cover for your iphone, that costs you thirty nine dollars. What what the fuck do you think that actually cost to make it when I can get an iphone cover that looks like the Kate Spade cover on EBay for three dollars and ninety nine cents. Yeah, that's true. I mean, that means there's ten x the profit on it. I mean, come on apple. They've done something right. They understand how to build so much hype around their products that we would be willing to pay anything. Case in point twenty six hundred dollars. I spent on my laptop, right. Did you buy new computer? No kidding me. I can't afford that. Yeah, once every six years I buy of twenty six hundred dollars. I could get three kick ass. PC's. He's for twenty six hundred dollars and still have enough money left over for like a mouse pad or some shit like that. Yeah. Yeah. But you have the ability to right click that I spent twenty seven hundred, so I can't right click. Oh, good. All right. Hey, thanks, Casey. How about the other one? Casey, we'd love to hear from you again, and if there's anything that your company does or anything else that we can do to promote any help for hurricane floor, please let us know. We have not a huge listener base, but the really the really indifferent. They won't do anything, but if we might, they might. So we have no problem asking for a good cause. You know, it's interesting. JJ has about the same amount of downloads per episode as we do, but she's got about twenty times the amount of people that actually do shit. Is that right? I mean, I did. I did love our twenty two voice mails. I don't know why I'm giving our community, should they actually do reach out probably as much or more than pretty much any community except for the area when it comes to spending money. But the problem is that we don't have. We don't give them anything to spend money on like, could we nice guy community? What could we sell that you would be interested in. Anything. I mean. It would be on the cruise. But unfortunately, if we do that, we, we won't make any money, but we'll still it would be fun to have people join us on the cruise ad is very true. We do need to give people a cruise to spend money on. We haven't even. We haven't even gotten anybody in our community to reach out to us to say, hey, guys, just want to let you know I'm a, I'm a, what's it called the travel agent. Go ahead and send you. We're offering free money to anybody. Well, we travel agent. We do have more voicemails. It could be another one of these voicemails trial. Okay. Okay. This is good. So here's the, I'm getting the warning from my daughter that you know five thirty is showing, but we're supposed to be gone fifteen minutes before then. So I'm getting the ten minute warning. So let's play voicemail to and then we're gonna tease to more voice mails on Thursday and jail time for a classmate. That's what I'm dying to hear about. That's going to be our first topic on Thursday. All right. All right. All right. Let's here we are. Okay, I didn't. I didn't actually know we're thirty one minutes into this. Time flies were having fun right here we go. Hey, Jerry here. So about eleven minutes from finishing Tuesday's episode and you're talking about free shifts. And I must say, I never knew there were the correlation between cruise ships and dead horses, but my God does you have beat them both to death. I, I'm not sure how I'm still listening, but I get this because I love you guys. Also I wanted to call in last week. I think it's great memory here. I just wanna make it known. I did not get a Texaco only my voice mails. I just chose to call to leave my voicemail. I didn't need to be prompted or anything like that. But you know, also, I guess I'm not good enough to get a phone call or a text message from Doug. He doesn't love me anymore. Hey, guys, Steve it up and I'll keep him in the. Have you seen those those wristbands that say WW j. d.. Jared, Jared, do. That's what they mean like Jared does not have to be prompted, Jared dude, Hughes, kinda listener. The we need. He calls he gives us shit. He is not afraid to speak his mind and you know what? He didn't need a text from you to call and he just called it. What would you do? I love that. I didn't realize when Jared left that message. I'm looking through my phone feverishly looking through my phone and I thought I had Jared's his his his his cell phone number locked in my phone. I actually don't. So I took the number that it came from it. I started exchanging text messages with him. I think he got excited. I was I was extending text text messages. I'm like anybody that wants to text me, feel free to text me. I will text you back. I promise. So feel free, Jared, I'm, I'm glad you. I'm glad we broke the. What's that? Barry, whatever the Barry I we brought. We didn't break the fourth wall. What the hell did we break with? Jared, I don't know about my virginity at inland with him. So else. I'm not sure what it was, but I, I reached out the jar. Let him know that I, that I was human being that I did want to speak to him, and I was happy very happy that we had a chance to to communicate through text messaging. Certainly continue to leave the voicemails for his Jared, because that way the entire nice guy community can get into the stuff that you're saying. But yeah, feel free to send me it's experts anytime I, I love chat with you guys, so I'm gonna give. I'm gonna leave one more or less comment that maybe we'll get some listeners to chime in and then we're after Evan up to make. I'm looking over this fortune five hundred article again now and there's a very interesting stat as for female CEO trends. Okay. So this is the trending of how many female CEOs in the fortune five hundred right improvement. There's been proven this year versus last year. Last year. There were twenty one. And this year there are thirty two. Okay. So basically it improved from four percent to six percent like. It's still really fucking sat. Hold on. Hold on. I wanna take. I'm going to take our our old old. Not friend. Are your old bosses psychology on this one? We went from how many how many we went from twenty one to thirty two. So isn't that a raise of eleven? Eleven? That's a fifty percent increase from what that's now. Right, right. If you, it's all in how you skew the numbers, right? Like the old number was four percent of the total and this year's number is six percent of the total. Well, the answer is, oh, that's a fifty percent increase that, right? Which technically, yes, it's a fifty percent increase. So that's like the old argument when like five or ten years ago, the car ads like the US automakers. They were like most improved carmaker by j.d, power surveys. And it's like, yeah, well, compared to Toyotas and Hondas if your cars have been total crap forever, it's not that hard to be the most improved. Right, right. Yeah, pretty interesting. Anyway, I would love to get a call from that for about that from any of our listeners. How do you feel about that? The fact that the fortune five hundred list this year has thirty two female CEOs, which is up fifty percent from last year, but still only represents six percent of the total top spot. What are you supposed to do? Are you supposed to go from? You know, we have twenty one, and now we have. Six hundred twelve. Wait a minute celebrity to step up six percent. Superstition, six percent. Ballot fifty percent of the population. It's not as many of them traditionally are like Gribben entrepreneurship. Got to be more than six percent. I don't even necessarily agree with that comment. I think that there are probably just as many driven entrepreneurs driven business owners that are female than there are male. I think it is a matter of who is putting them in the position to be CEO those those that are putting them in the position. We all know that if more women were CEO's of the big companies today that we probably would have a better smarter, more effective, more efficient and God knows it would be much more multitasking going on in the management levels of within these organizations, but we don't have. We don't have put people putting him in the position that are in that are female. So part of that is the good old boy network just just kind of hanging onto old school thoughts? Yep. Okay. I think we've got to wrap it up mixture tune in on Thursday because we're going to start with jail time for classmate because I'm dying to hear about this. All right. When we going to do that more voicemails, when do you want to do it tonight? I don't care. Let me. Like seven o'clock. Okay. Having dinner here with my son and my mom so will do that. And then we will get back to the second half you probably let me know. You know what? I'm going to have wine. I'm going to have it right in front of me and we are going to do that. Good. Good, good idea. I'm gonna. You know what? I'm going to go up up the bottle of wine right next next episode after Doug's bottle of wine. So it should be very entertaining. All so many things look forward to on Thursday, then two more voice. Beautiful, beautiful. All right, Steve O'Brien. Take us out of here. The nice guys on business are professional podcasters please do not try this at home. It may seem simple kids, but lots of people get hurt in the process void where prohibited, including Mexico Puerto Rico for Donia or your in laws. The nice guys on business are not responsible for any claims of liability or any guarantee that these two morons know what they're talking about. There is no promise that being nice to people will help your business, but calling people Astles dumb, incontinent, fuck quads will definitely lose you business for any and all claims shouldn't one hand in wishing the other and see which one fills up first. 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64: WWJD?

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64: WWJD?

"We get support from Doubleday the publishers of never enough the neuroscience and experience of addiction written by Judith griselle. Who is both a neuroscientist and a recovered drug addict. In her new book never enough. Judith uses easy to understand brain science and personal stories to reveal how the addiction cycle happens as we all struggle to confront America's growing addiction crisis. Never enough is the accessible and thority Tatum guide. We've been waiting for so go get yours today. Ever. And we're going on tour t t FAA live is coming to a city near you along with the launch of my new book. No, happy endings. You can catch us in Brooklyn. Saint Paul Austin, Texas, Portland, Oregon, Los Angeles, California, Washington, DC and Toronto Ontario, Canada, go to TEFA dot org slash events and buy a ticket or nine. I'm Nora mcnerney. And this is terrible. Thanks for asking. Basically every child of a certain era children who've seen the parent trap. Either version, by the way, Hayley mills or Lindsay Lohan or to use an even more current reference for some of our younger listeners fans of the Olsen twins. Right. I desperately wanted to be a twin. When I was a kid. I thought that even possibly there was a chance that I was a twin. And may be my parents, I I don't know for personal reasons could only keep one of us, and they kept me. I remember actually asking my dad more than once, by the way. Do I have a twin that I don't know about and his eyes would get big. And he would be like God. No jesus. Thank god. And I think what he meant was you're so special to me how could there be two of you? That's how I choose to interpret that memory anyway, when I meet twins gush about the parent trap and the Olsen twins and how much I wish I were a twin. Because I think everyone wants to be a twin being twin is absolutely in my opinion. The best thing that can happen to someone and it happens right at birth. So you're starting off your life in the best possible situation. I'm one of the jokes that Jodi nice to say is people will say do you like me twin and we laugh him like, well, we don't really know any different right? But the truth is like we did know we didn't know that it was really cool and really special Mahan it better than anybody else. We just want to make the rest of you feel bad. That's Michelle confirming all of my insecurities bragging, just straight up bragging to me how great it is to be a twin indefinitely making me feel bad Michelle and her twin sister Jenny are twins. And they got to do all the fun things that twins do in movies. Those things are real, okay? Like switching places in high school on the sports team field court there'd be on the bench. She'd be runnin plays making all her shots, and she gives a little winded or tired, and we wanted it to shake it up. So then they would take her out of the game and put me in. And so we confuse everybody on the court. I come in. They'd be like she's not as good as she used to be. But there I would be trying to play my defense up and down the court, and then they Popper back in the game. And yeah, hot science steak from TTFI. We can confirm what the rest of us all non twins have always known in our hearts dreams. They can read each other's minds to we have this game called cahoots when we were kids, which was awesome. It really was just a magic trick. But we had everybody in our lives convinced that we could read each other's minds. And so we would think of an object in the mid say are being the other one would say, yes. And then we would guess the object. I'm not going to tell you how we did it. I'm never going to disclose the secret. But it was the solid party trick our entire life together. I mean, it's probably true that like any close set of siblings, or, you know, really close friend you have that sort of connection that understanding with. But I do think it's next level. When your twin my mom used to say that when we were kids. She tells a story that if one of us got hurt the other one would start crying not the one who's actually hurt. And I can't even tell you. How many times we live across country that we would call each other. And just with that kind of Erie feeling is that something was going on. Like, hey, tell me what's up something's not right? And we were usually spot on we have some of those like just fun twin moments where we both bought the same sweater at banana Republic. I bought one in California. She bought it in New York like on the same day. There definitely were some very twenty moments. The two of them were so connected. They were so instinct, so of course, Michelle feels like she should have seen it coming. She should have known. A great way to know anyone is to know about their relationships Jenny's most important relationship. Longest one was Michelle. But a tie was her husband, Pat. That was the kind of guy who would fly across the country to go to a high school reunion with his girlfriend and all of her friends and his girlfriend's twin sister who he was meeting for the first time. So the first time that Michelle was she picked me up at the airport. And she gave me a hug the first time which as a New Yorker, I'm definitely not used to. But that's Michelle I think that airport pickups are like they're kind of like a top tier to deal for another person in my opinion, like saying that you'll pick someone up from the airport is like that's a big. That's a big gesture. It's a big gesture, and especially when you're meeting your wife's identical twin sister for the first time, I was more. I was more nervous about that. That meeting her parents. If Sheldon like me was that was a non starter. I was out. But Pat made it he was in which was good because he really wanted things to go. Well, he liked Jenny from the start a lot patent Jennie had met after years of almost meeting. They worked in the same industry. They had lots of friends in common and one of those common friends, Nikki had been telling each of them for years they had to come meet one another. But anyone who has a friend like, Nikki, a friend who's insisting that they met the perfect person for you. I mean, you know, it usually is not the perfect person so patent Jenny avoided it for years. They avoided each other. They avoided meeting until the both attended Nikki's going away party. And Nikki finally got her way. They say timing, obviously is everything, but our timing could not have been more strained and worse. I can remember this. We went out Friday night. A small little bar on Irving place in New York, and we had a great time. But in New York, especially in the New York dating scene. Ninety nine percent of the time. You never see that person again. So even when you have a great time, you always have this in the back of your head like well that was it. But Jenny was actually if amiss for misplacing her phone all the time. So I I called asking for a second date knitted here from her for about six days because it lost her phone. My father was dying of cancer in hospital. And I got a call on the morning of the date that my sisters, and I needed to get to the hospital immediately that he was not going to last for more than a couple of hours. And so we needed to go and say our goodbyes at that point. You know, this is first thing in the morning. I jump in a cab, and I lived in Brooklyn at the time, and I'm going over the Brooklyn Bridge, and I call Jenny, and I you know, I have to explain to this woman who I barely know that hey, I I have to cancel our dates tonight because my father is going to die today. And you know, I'm sorry. And when I you know, when I hung up the phone, I left her voice mail when I hung up the phone. I said to myself, well, you'll never ever hear from this woman again. But there are bigger things to think about at the moment. Pat's father died and the grieving process began. And then the phone did ring it's Jenny. And she says to me that, you know, hey, I'm craving the specific kind of hamburger that they make at the restaurant next to your office. And I'm gonna be there tonight at six o'clock. And if you would like to join me that would be great, you can talk all you want. You could tell me anything about you know, what happened or you could say nothing and just if you want company, whatever you want, I'll be there with a burger, and it would be great to see you. I guess you could call that a second date. We ended up staying at that burger place for about four hours. First of all, it was the kindest thing that anyone's ever done for me. And completely changed. The feeling of that year. What what really, you know, could have been a pretty horrible year. Just one eighty so. You know from that moment on I knew that I'd met somebody pretty special. Jenny. And Pat got married seventeen months later. She was the love of pets life and the love of Michelle's to my dad's said at both of our weddings, when you're marrying a twin you're marrying forty-nine percent of the other twin, and it's totally true. So but with bad, and my husband have always been gracious understanding that they got like a DO like a package deal and marrying one of us Jenny and Michelle were a package deal with a couple thousand miles in between them Michelle and her family live in California. And Pat and Jenny were die hard New Yorkers. But it was still a no brainer that Michelle would fly across the country for the birth of Jenny's first child, even if Michelle and her family were about to move out of the house. They lived in for eight years. So here's the thing with twin telepathy. Right. So she we could look intrinsically at the scientific data. You know, I gave birth early for both of my kids. And I had a certain kind of delivery in that kind of thing. So of course, we would make the deduction. Okay. She's probably going to go into labor little bit early spying feel this way. It's this is how it's going to go down. So we plot in planned. You know, the way that we thought it would happen. And so we decided I should definitely go out about a week before her due date. Just in case Michelle in their parents, flew out a week before the due date and spent that time in New York City with Jenny and Pat doing all their favorite things. And so it was really awesome to be there. Just watching like reruns of sister, wives, and law and order. Walks the classics. We really watched highbrow TV together. And giving her a little back rub is in foot- rubs and going out to you know, quick dinners, and that kind of thing and watching her take naps a lot all of that. So it was it was really special time with her. It was a really special time except that teddy Jenny and pats baby refused to be born the countdown to Michelle's departure approached and still no teddy. Michelle had already extended her trip once and been there ten days in this just was not the plan. My plan was to fly out being New York and stay there until the twenty ninth. And I be back just in time for the move which was really important, right? Like, I couldn't leave. My husband my kids city that solo Michelle was anguished, but she has to fly back home and help her family move. And as soon as she's all packed up Jenny goes into labor, of course. Right. Tap inning. She's finally going to meet teddy. Michelle changed her flight and prepared to become an. An aunt except of course, not Jenny was in labor, but not dilated and after twenty hours of just sitting around in the hospital Jenny looked at her twin sister and said oughta here, go home. I've got my husband. I've got our mom. I've got this. Go move into your new house and come out for our birthday next week. You can spend the whole time holding teddy. So I kissed her. And I said, okay, I'm going to see you in five days and wouldn't be holding any real soon. So Michelle went she grabbed her bag hailed a cab and hustled out to the airport back towards her husband and her kids, I was riding high. I mean, it was like I didn't even need airplane. I was just I was on cloud nine literally thinking about when I land probably going to be an aunt a moving to my dream house like life is about as perfect as I could imagine it. I mean, it really it really was. I mean here I knew that Johnny was going to be a mom with this. Awesome. Husband. She was about to start the stern of motherhood which was going to be so incredible. Because I knew how amazing it was and the plane landed I immediately turn my phone on. And it was awesome. There a text from Jimmy shell. I did it only twenty six minutes of pushing Teddy's here. So it was just it was the perfect text much. I was just laughing. Like, of course, that's stunning right for context, you should know that Jenny was a little competitive and Michelle took twenty eight minutes pushing out her youngest child so Jenny one. Then there was like follow text. For my mom, Pat, and pictures of all of them, and it was awesome. I'm just bawling tears of joy. I'm so excited. I'm still on the plane. I'm just waiting to like, you know, Debord the plane so I can call them. All I call my mom, no answer. Call johnny. No answer. No answer. So kept calling Johnny no answer. Mom, Louw answer. Like come on guys. Like any details here. Right. And then I got a call from my husband, and he says he shall I'm just pulling into the airport. I'm gonna meet you. I'm gonna meet you here. And I'm like, oh my God. How cool are you took the day off like you're so pumped about our house? You're gonna come pick me out like awesome. So many from my bag. I know he's out there. I'm just like riding high on my phone rings. And it was my mom and all she said was go. Find Ayman you're booked on the next slide back something's really wrong. I don't understand. And she said there's been a major incident which any and I said she live. She said for now, but you need to get back. And I just remember like absolutely collapsing on the floor. Also, my phone was dying. Because of course, you know, homes are my mom had like accidentally stolen, my phone charger overnight in the hospital, and so I was like out of juice almost entirely, and so I just remember screaming in the baggage claim link I knew phone chargers compete phone charger. Some amazing man comes over and gives me hug and Hansie. One of those like portable ones, so I plug in. I get my bag. I go out and Ayman's waiting for me. And I'm I'm -solutely beside myself. And I'm like what is happening. What is going on? He said, I just don't have that many details, I know that Johnny collapsed. Keno that she's not, okay. And I just got you on the flight back of the plane. You got off of Nick set, you have to stay home. You have to move fast. You don't miss your flight. And so we took my bag because I didn't want to have to recheck my bags. I just remember balling taking my bag and dumping it out on the airport floor. I just grabbed two or three things I threw it like an duffle took off running. Michelle got back on the plane that had just taken her to California, but you not riding high this time she took her middle seat and tried to keep her shit together. Thinking maybe a movie would help the time pass faster. She put on Forrest Gump, which should get her through about half the flight. But remember that movie remember one of the main characters, and what her name is done for those Jenny. Always again, Jimmy. Jenny Jenny Jenny Jenny Jenny Jenny jenness Ginny. Jenny Jenny Jake Ginny. Ginny gin. I'm just bawling and bowling over. Again, just thing prayers. And I'm just I don't even know I made at that time in half hours. I just thought straight ahead did not move muscle. How could this whatever this is how could this have happened? How could she not know why had her twin tuition failed? Why had let her leave her sister side and fly all the way across the country. When the plane finally landed in New York Michelle had been on airplanes and in cabs airports for about thirteen hours. She was back in Jenny's city, but still miles away from her. Michelle still had that kind man's phone charger. When the plane landed she made one call to her mother, and she said, you're not too late. Just get here. The taxi ride back to Jenny's hospital room was silent. Michelle didn't call her family. She didn't taxed she just needed to get to our Jenny. When she walked back into that hospital room that twin telepathy kicked back in. And she was in a coma. And the second I saw her. I knew she was gone. She had had a pulmonary embolism. And they spend a lot of time Turner resuscitate her and she was brain dead spring dead. At that moment, we didn't know that we still had the hope that maybe she could come out of this. But I knew the second. I saw her. I knew. Yeah. We'll be right back. We get support from four hers women's wellness brand putting your body back in control, you know, it's real hassle getting birth control. It's absurd. Your birth control should be delivered to you. When you need it where you need it without judgment, and with your physician available to answer any questions, you might have with four hers. There's no need to take travel time out of your busy day four provides access to licensed doctors online who can evaluate you. And if appropriate prescribe you birth control that can be delivered direct your door. No more booking time off to go to an in-person. 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I love my ritual vitamins they actually got delivered to my door yesterday because the subscription is easy to start. And if I get behind which I am not don't accuse me of that. It is easy to snooze on my monthly order getting all the essential nutrients. Your body. Meads ends up costing only dollar a day. That's a pretty good deal. Better health does not happen overnight so help fill the gaps in your diet with essential for women. A small step that helps support healthy foundation for your Bod. Visit ritual dot com slash thanks to start your ritual today. That's. Ritual dot com slash. We're back. Michelle Jenny were surprised twins their parents knew they were having a baby, obviously. But the only baby they knew about this Jenny. It was Jenny's heartbeat. They heard and Jenny they plan to give birth to even had the name picked out, Jennifer, Michelle. And then Jenny was born she was four pounds. We were really premature four pounds. She gets whisked away. The see something else in there. And I thought I was actually a tumor. Which to ten years later. Remember, the Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. Like are. That movie, by the way, you're not a film aficionado that movies kindergarten cop. Michelle was the baby nobody expected. They didn't have a crib for her. They didn't have a name for her. But yeah, they split. Johnny's name. I took her other half off. We went in the world together. And it sounds really cheesy. But I really don't know. Can't remember that far back, but my gut in my late twin intuition tells me that. I had the will to survive because I didn't want to leave Johnny like, I wonder if there had been no, Johnny. If I would have made it we were meant to be together from like the very beginning. She was my life partner. She was my life partner before on my my awesome, husband and my kids. You know what? I mean. I love everybody in my family. But I love the most they love her the most. We're meant speedy Keller and is sad for me. Now. Like now when I go get my coffee, and I see the twins in the corner. I wanna go tell them like hug each other. Appreciate each other one of us going to die for. When a person dies so many versions of them are lost when Jenny died on February first both Pat and Michelle lost their soulmate. Michelle lost the person she'd known and loved for her entire life. Pat, lost the person he was planning to spend the rest of his life with and teddy had lost his mother. There was a stunned. Widow dad, twin twin to be read parents and a brand new baby. So now what? And I think I remember I think maybe Ayman has pulled him aside and said just saying, oh, man, if you wanna do this like I'm all win. I remember my brother-in-law Ayman Michelle's shells husband kind of pulled me into a private room in the hospital and. Said, hey, we'd love to have you guys come out to California, and and be with us, and you know, we'll help. And and so then said he wanted to come to California, and he wanted to come immediately and. That's how fast it happened. Just a few days later. I'm Michelle Jenny's birthday. Teddy was too young to fly commercial. So medical flight brought them from New York City to California. It was raining. I remember that we'd landed I'd Oakland airport in a rainstorm and. Jenny Michelle's aunt and uncle were there. We had we had piled this private plane full of kids stuff we had a. Stroller. We had a bassinet we had all kinds of just random stuff that we filled. So, you know, they show up with with two cars, and and we just fill it all with with teddy stuff. And and from there. It was. But a half hour drive to Michelle's and. I remember her opening the door and somehow having a huge smile on her face. I hardly remember that time, but the truth is. I think I really did feel joyful as I possibly could have in that moment because they were there. And that's the only thing I could have hoped for and wanted in lieu of not having Jenny. Which at that point. We didn't have a choice. So I don't want to call it the next best thing. But really this was the very best outcome for them to come be with us. I remember thinking to myself when we walked in the door. How joyful? Michelle looked legitimately joyful on a day. That should have been the farthest thing from joyful for her. And. I remember. Feeling like I had just done something smart. And I remember being in. Oh, just I look back on it now and it's shock. Ever. We're going on tour. TEFA live is coming to a city near you along with the launch of my new book. No, happy endings. You can catch us in Brooklyn. Saint Paul Austin, Texas, Portland, Oregon, Los Angeles, California, Washington, DC and Toronto Ontario, Canada, Goto, TEFA dot org slash events and buy a ticket or nine. We're back back into the second best scenario possible. Patten teddy arrived in California on Jenny and Michelle's thirty eighth birthday. But without Jenny the little boy who is supposed to be raised in New York City is now officially a California. Boy. Patten teddy are moving into the new house that Michelle's family just moved into all of them. Michelle's family of four patent Hetty and Jennie Michelle's. Parents former team. They make space for each other in their sudden new situation the handle the million billion pieces of paperwork that come from the death of a loved one. They plan to funerals one in California and one in New York. And while they're back in New York a few weeks after Jenny's death. There's one more thing to do when I came back to the apartment because when we left we sort of left and bit of rush, and I just wanted. One more day. That it felt like our place, you know, that that door could open at any minute. And it would be it would be genuine teddy. That apartment where Jenny had lived for fourteen years was just as they had left it in the same state as it was before she left for the hospital when they're only expectations to come home with their baby teddy. This is the apartment that she. And Pat shared one of the things that. That you realize about Jenny is her her love of and. Affinity for color. And I mean, I was a single dach- ler guy who just lived in white apartments before I met Jenny. And when I when I met her, I learned value of color, and, you know, her apartment was just it was just a rainbow. The place because Jenny wanted it to feel as much my home as it was her home. I she made room for me. And then we made room for teddy. One of the things that. Crushes me about this is that three of us were never together in that apartment. I just I just wanted. You know, our home to feel like our home even on that fantasy level for for one more time. And then. Just start dividing. Going through somebody's stuff. You know, your sister. You know, your wife, you can recall the conversations you had about the future of how you wanted to raise your family about the kind of kids you wanted to create you can read there will you can search through all of their belongings. You actually half deal show. Is there? Mike her dad was there an Amy one of Chinese closest friends were there. And they piece by piece we went through the stuff, you know, they took stuff that they wanted to keep I did the same. They sifted through those things the things of Jenny's past the things of her life, not only somebody's life. But the the life that they're planning on lady. Pat, did it like Jenny would've wanted it done? He donated all her fancy work clothes. He saved the best things for teddy. I wanted to surround him in his mother's for talker fee and his mother's favourite, art work and. You know, little pieces of. Stuff. What do I keep for teddy? You know, I'm trying to make decisions not in the best frame of mind for my son for like sixteen years from now, you know, what pieces of paper that have scribbles doodles on them are important versus ones I can just throw out. Because you just wanna see everything like your computer courts. Jenny saved every phone that she'd ever had. So we discovered a box of old blackberries and original iphones flip phones. You know, even the chords and the instructor. Wow. What do you do with a half used to of lipstick? You know, what do I do with the bandages that Jenny bought for the week or two after she would you know was supposed to come home from the hospital. What do you do with? You know, the salt and pepper shaker. I mean, just everything has symbolism to even in moments like that we were thinking what which anyone? After going through her g mail. We shut the countdown and after transferring things off of her phone we shut the phone down. It just gets to a point where after you have divided everything into their categories giving away what you wanted to give away and cap twit. You thought to keep you just start putting somebody's life in black garbage bags? Pat, dismantled the life that they had been living. They plan to live took down the crib. They'd set up. But the stuff is just stuff. There are no more answers. There's no more to discover about this person you loved not for Pat not for Michelle. From shallow be no more realizing that the two of you the same sweater on the same day. There will be no more moments of twin telepathy all those moments. You're planning to have his sisters, just poof. Disappear right. I'm just going through a box, and she had had the foresight to buy birthday present and a card, and it was they are waiting for me. So I saw it was for me, and my heart dropped because it was clear that she had intended it for me before I left New York after teddy had arrived, and I opened it was a necklace is actually kind of funny because the necklace itself is one of the uglier press. She's ever given me I have to say she had been there. I probably would have given her just a little bit crowd for it. I think maybe her pregnancy. Most you didn't have a lot of time to look for for just the right gift. But it just made me laugh because I wanted to tell her, you know, that I'd give it back to her to wear and I still have. But I have the necklace in the in this little round container boxes. She gave me sitting on my bedside table. And I have it there. But the most ironic thing is that in her car to me, and I'll never forget it. She said, you know, your shell happy anniversary. Here's just a little something for you. But this year, your real present is time with teddy and as much as you want with it or so glad to have you. And it sounds ominous. Now, right because I have as much time with Hetty as I. Effort dreamed oven. I love it. But who could have now. For all the hypothetical conversations, you have about what you want your life to be and what you'd want if you die. You're never thinking that those two realities are going to intersect so abruptly. Your life will end when your child is born. There's no planning for the minutia of raising a child for what should happen when he gets a splinter or if he refuses to go to school unless you allow him to wear a plush snake tied around his neck like a professional wrestler, which are personally fine with but doesn't work within his schools. Dress code. There's no laying out of what should happen when the unthinkable happens. There's only doing your best with what you've been given what you've left in the wake of a loss this big. There's only tuning into that intuition into that ever running TV channel in the background. And turning it up as best you can. What I remember about the early stages of raising a baby is chaos and fog, just an endless cycle of diapers and crying and feeding and sleeping, and that was a cycle that Pat was planning to go through with Jenny and that Michelle was planning to support as a long distance aunt who swoops in for a long visits of coddling and spoiling. Instead, Michelle quit all her contract clients and spent the first year of Teddy's life as a stay at home. Aunt Pat took a two month bereavement period and was able to keep his job with his New York City agency but worked from California. Michelle's kids for a while got a live in baby cousin. Michelle, Pat, got each other. Yeah. Early on we go to the doctor's appointments together. Tenny knee. We went and checked out daycares together patent teddy eventually moved into their own apartment less than a mile from Michelle and her husband, Amen, less than two miles from Jenny and Michelle's parents from a from just a pure physical space. You know, here we are two guys living with each other Forty-six years far, but we live in a rainbow. You know, I keep our apartment is colorful. I possibly can. And he and Michelle are still in this together. But they're also in this on their own. It's kind of the thing about grief is when you're grieving two versions of the same person. Here's a loneliness to that. Because only Pat MRs Jenny the wife. Only Michelle MRs Jenny the twin? That's what makes them very different new net. In high school, Michelle Jenny could pull a switcheroo on the basketball court or on the phone. They could pull it off for a few minutes at least and then go back to being themselves to being complementary forces that are made of the same stuff. What does teddy call you? Tough one right now. It's mama. But he called a lot of things and people, mama. So it's not used exclusively for me. But he does here my kids. Call me, mama and mom that makes sense Jenny. And Michelle have identical faces and voices. When Pat shows teddy photos of Jenny they look just like the woman who wipes his buttons. Sometimes tucks him into bed. But when he sees videos of Jenny he just snaps into attention. There's something else going on there that he must understand on some cellular subconscious level that that is looking at his mother. Teddy knows he doesn't know what it all means. But he knows. And of course, he'll know more as he gets older, and we'll be sad for him. And it will also be the only life. He knows nothing's clean. Nothing is nothing clean in any of this. The good things are interconnected to to a lot of difficult memories. But I, you know, I I'm just fascinated by the ways that every day. I see her in him to me he is Jenny. And he's essence of her. I'm bonded to him. Like a mother would be 'cause I've been with him since day one. But I'm his aunt like I am no replacement for her. There is no replacement for Jenny because she's not just gone for the big days. Teddy's birthday Michelle in Johnny's birthday Christmas. She's gone for the little things things. Like real housewives of Orange County. You watched the episode. I'm like, dude, I got it. Download with her like we got. Now, we gotta go back and forth about the outfits and silly stuff. And so I had shared that with my dad like early on just how much I missed like the daily interactions, and he said to me like what were your daily interactions? And then when I really thought about it. I was a little bit embarrassed. Because it really was like how much bacon is you. Eat this morning. What new air product. Is you try and like what happened on the real housewives? Right. And so my sweet sweet done started watching so much reality TV, many would start texting like, oh, did you see him on the keep up with? And just he's a desk for watching the wrong show. Like, no, it's not. It's not. But he he. This is very confusing. It's. All the shows. He was on people dot com like just trying to feed me like nuggets pop Coulter. So I could keep having the conversations which was so sweet. And a really really appreciate it. You know, sorry doubt. It's just not the same. It's just not the same. But really nice intention. It's not it's not ever going to be the same. That's my point. Is that? You're you never move on idea. Believe in moving forward as what we have to do. We have to do it especially for teddy for my kids. And for the fact that I do have a very happy full life. I mean, I do. It's never going to be the same way. It was it's never going to be. As happy as it should've could've been. But I know I have a lot to be grateful for and a lot to look forward to. And so I try to focus on that. But it's just not gonna be the same without her. I'll never be the same. Calf of me is gone. It's just gone. It's just gone and people sometimes do say things like, oh, how lucky that you have teddy and people do say things to Pat like, oh, how lucky that you have Michelle and she looks just like Jenny, and yes, they're all lucky to have each other. But also, this isn't the plan. It's the best. They can do in a situation that is so singular truly if there's anyone else in this exact situation. Please make yourself known. It's also hard and so lonely and so new. It's so foreign nobody has done this before there's no group that can support them. There's no group that says, oh, my wife died after giving birth and now I live near her identical twin and her husband and her family. It's all foreign again. It's so new all of it because teddy is still so little Jenny's death was traumatic when we talk it hasn't even been two years. I think about Jenny every second of the day. It's like it's like a TV that's on the same program, and it's playing all day long. So it's really hard to think farther down the road. I'm two years seems like a second, and it seems like a million years ago. Two years is a lot of time when you think about a life starting and no time, it's nothing when you're talking about a life ending. For Pat, and Michelle and her parents teddy is the center of their universe. Jenny is the invisible gravity holding them all together, they're doing their best to raise teddy in Jenny spirit. I call them promises to Jenny that is a promise that I that. I've made her that her son will absolutely be bilingual and. You know every night, you know, when we're getting ready for bed, and we say our goodbyes aren't good nights. I have a wall of a few pictures of of Janney on it. And we go over and we. You know, we say good night to momma and. You know, as we as we go along. I just I want her to be a living presence in his life. She is far too valuable to important. A human being that. He'll never know. But I want him. To have a connection with her. The question always is what would wants I grew up, Christian and Catholic. So there's the WW J D. What would Jesus do that we with? But for me, it feels like what would you do? What would Jenny do? Kind of an impossible question to answer. But the only two people who are qualified to try to answer it. Are in this together. After we talked. I kept thinking back to Jenny and Michelle and their relationship, and then how Pat fit into their relationship how he respected their twin? This the way Michelle's husband amended. How Michelle helped Pat pick out Jenny's engagement ring? How Pat asked Michelle for Johnny's hand in marriage. A patent Michelle met at the airport on their way to a high school, reunion and clicked. Shell when she was cleaning out her twin sisters apartment found birthday gift. The Jennie had bought for her before she died already wrapped how win Michelle was trying to conceive Jenny told her that she would one hundred percent have a baby for her. If it ever came to that. How Jenny was always a step ahead of what everyone knew they needed. Hoshi in Michelle, even when they weren't playing mind games with people were always in cahoots. I kept thinking about that connection that Jenny and Michelle shared and where it goes now. But how connected so many of us feel to the people? We've lost wherever we believe they go when they died. And now that twin telepathy that Michelle Jenny shared probably doesn't go away completely. And I kept thinking about teddy. This living breathing connection to Jenny who has his mom's laugh and smile and her love of books. About how Michelle is not a replacement for Jenny and neither is teddy. And neither is Pat. But the three of them in their own little way, we're all doing their best for one another and with one another. Just like Jenny would have done. I'm Nora back Nurmi, and this has been terrible. Thanks for asking. I got a book recommendation that I might have shared already, but I'm very into it is called anxiety, the missing stage of grief. So if you are grieving a person, or you know, somebody who has near slick trend understand it more threatened by Claire Bidwell Smith, and she is a licensed therapist, which is a grief counselor. I don't really know what the difference is. But it's a good rate. Homs? What's your name? Hans Bill Beutel, our senior producer. It's not gonna tell me Milan. That's Marcel Malibu is our assistant producer Hanmi cut. Ross is the producer of our lives. Anna Wagle got help from Anna Wagle on production and drums. Great hair. Just great new hair has a great new hairstyle. Jeffrey Wilson made our theme music, and we are production of APM American public media.

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Episode 272: The Lets Read The Book School

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Episode 272: The Lets Read The Book School

"The. President I will God for him. I will die for that man. Hopefully, I will die for him. Anyway want to mess with him. You mess with me I he is a hero man. Kim All right everybody welcome to yet. But still. we are. Is Sunday right now Brandon Afternoon Sunday afternoon Where you just heard is audio. Eisley I'm catching up to this right now this is I guess brandon do you know what back is he backed? What just happened? When away more minutes he's out of the hospital is he he did it looks like he did a victory lap. What did he? Secret Service. Okay. So guys. Or. Is he out of the hospital and then going back to the hospital we might be going back to the hospital. Popped out to do like. You Know Ghost, ride the whip basically. Oh. Fuck. Matt think. He's that. He's just going. He's just taking a loop. He's just doing a lab to wave people holy by God. Okay. Everybody knows the news. That's Late are we were going to record this on Friday dude I'm so glad we waited. I know this just speaks to a little behind the seeds in the podcasting would everybody wants to hear obviously with the world's dying here behind the scenes of planning podcast but I mean we talked about doing something about the debate and like we both had separate hunches at different points like dude. I, just feel like this is not going to be even. One day later you know and then. You had that first we change positions and then like. Thank God we did astor's intuition. Yeah. Thank. God because like could it be any less relevant? Could you imagine if we were like dropping debate reaction pod right now? Like oh man. But. Wow what a turn the last couple of days I know that was that was less than a week ago. Yeah. But. I mean I think. I probably mean you had an experience that will probably a lot of people had where I was. About to go to bed. which what was it? Thursday was it. Thursday night. Thursday nights out to go to bed and I just like how we had nine am pod with Janice scheduled. Oh, and then spoiler. Sorry who cares? Fine. What are you going to add that out now? The spoiler Jank. Alert. Yeah. I was like I was prepared to go to sleep early and then I got that that news alert and I was like all will I'm poppin off. I just couldn't sleep I was just like. I just heard it. It was just so funny i. Do like dopamine flying through my veins like for the first time in a year you know just like Oh. What the fuck like this is good. I don't know. I mean. I mean what it is is like dude for four years. What we've just been living under is is just like the exact opposite of what we've been taught our entire life. By. The way we're even taught history through like a narrative structure in school that follows like this is Ni fairy tale structure. You know like there's like heroes arc to everything that we're it's supposed to be that the bad guy something happens to him you know you can't just be bad your whole life you can't lie you can't steal you can't cheat people you can't just be. Bad Boy. Yeah. You can't be a bad boy. It's like taught to us cam you rude from the youngest age don't be a bad boy something bad's GonNa come and happen to you and for the last four years, it's just like In every single aspect, we've been living in a world where it's like Oh. Yeah. Wait nothing happens in fact. Lying is so powerful like I think we've all seen like the the power of lying where it's like. A nasty rude boy who tells FIBS in. Says Vulgar Things Yeah Look. We were taught. Yeah. The last four years if anything it's like, oh, wait like lying's the most powerful thing you could do. All people are able to do is call you out on lying and if you just keep going. Nobody cares they just like nobody really gives a shit at a certain point it's like you're a liar. So fuck you. Kinda keep. going. And it's not just with him. It's like a lot of people you know. I mean, it's also yeah. I just realized he's kind of the proverbial. All girls born after nineteen ninety-four. They can't cook all day knows eat hot chip and lie yeah he's. He's all I, know hot chip he is the hot chip Bro. You think about that. Wow. Okay. There we go. Mr Cheetos. Orange Tito in line. Is Hot chip and lie. But. I mean seriously though it is kind of like exhausting. You know you have to hear about all this stuff and it's just like Oh. Yeah. Okay. Like he did another thing. Cool nothing's going to happen like. We've actively not engaged and like I think for the most part successfully not engaged on the podcast you know well, yeah. Because it's like, what's the point like being mad nobody's GonNa do anything Nancy. Pelosi is you're gonNA like wag her finger at him and then just be like. I do love the Republican Party. We need. We need them the did you hear her last week being like we need? Republican Party to we need to save we need to bring back the Republican Party's they don't say that about you what the fuck are you. But. Well, that's like the thing is Democrats are like the teacher's pet but like who's the teacher even? Yeah, exactly. But. Going back to trump. It's like dude seeing that it was just like a shock and immediate immediate dopamine rush. I think most people felt that because. The the worst year of them. All has been this year where it's like this virus that like we don't see footage of people in the hospital when they're sick we just I mean I. Know people who have been sick. If you don't, you just have to take a raise word and you go through these crazy precautions we've been going through them for like six or seven months now. And, then you just do it. You're just like doing it over and over again because you're told and then the people telling you don't follow the rules. And nothing happens, and then finally this happens you're like. Oh my God. Okay. Good like at least. There's a result for something right? Like, yeah. It's the highest form of somebody who is not following the rules like. The thing happens to them that they keep saying is going to happen. It's it's very, very small and he may already be out of the hospital, but it was just such an adrenaline rush. It's like, Oh, my God session adrenaline rush and it's us. It's like sort of this thing that like you can talk about it with your like parents. Yeah and it's super easy. It's fun. It's like an it's an easy thing to like sort of rally around. Yeah and you have the only true bird brain would be like mad at you for commenting on that. Like an absolute. Rain Freak, which we'll talk about that. It made twitter fun for the first time in years. Yeah. It's just like, yeah it was just like a dog into the bad guy is just like okay. Yeah like he brought himself, he didn't wear a mask and he got cove nineteen. It's funny like you know riot. I don't care I. don't care who you are. That's funny right there. Yeah, and it's just weird I. mean do it sucked following the rules for this long? Right? We both me and you both all the rules. It's Follow the rule I hard core follow the rules. We both have to have a choice and I have friends that I have friends that don't have to like they don't. Like, like people that are just if they get sick, that's it. It's not like they're gonNA infect anybody else. They don't have to worry. It's only on them and they do stupid things like invited over to have beers inside my friend's house with like a mystery amount of guys and I'm like. like I'll get those invites dude like. That obviously sounds fun but I'd like I'm sorry I can't do that. Like I still have to follow these stupid rules like there's still. A pandemic I don't like it I mean I'm seeing I'm seeing my friends outdoors. Yeah. But. Yeah, but it's frustrating getting invited a mystery amount of dudes inside my house. But I wouldn't do that before covert I wouldn't invite a mystery amount of dudes inside my house, lie that's the that's the best kind of party. The fell mystery amount. Oh, maybe not a mystery mount not infinity of mystery amount of dudes. No. But anyway to circle back like it's frustrating when you get to like when you see people, you know breaking the rules because it was like dude I I'm not mad that you're breaking them but like I wanna break them to just can't. You know like I also don't want to do this dumb shit. I don't want to wear the mask I. Don't WanNa be like. Not, leaving my house. Yeah Oh. My God. I just got a huge dopamine rush when that happened everybody dead. It was so fun. And I mean I think the initial joy has subsided? Oh. He's so you know it's Right because it's like it's Yeah we've still got. We've still got some time left. Yeah. I I. Mean I had the ding-dong. The witch is dead moment, and then you realize the witch is dead the which is just kind of sick for like a day. Right and very soon, he's going to be back like I beat it. Easily the doctors were saying I was strong his patient. I was this strong ever seen in Walter Reed and they have big guys. They have big blind soldiers and they that was a strongest you know like that's that air is coming. Right. But it's it's yeah I mean. Yeah. Like I. Do I, do wonder what? What happens next? I don't know I I really don't I don't think anybody can predict anymore. Because I will say it's so dumb that there's anybody that I've seen a few people at this point be like Well, have you thought about this buddy maybe he doesn't even actually have it. This is all he's doing forty chess and it's going to actually this is actually just Paul Europe pawn in his. Game Forty chess and. Chess moves thanking. Right Lake. It's not that's like that's one thing where I'm like. These people aren't competent enough for that. That's like that. That's a that is not a chess moves what that is. I mean it would make sense if it was something else where he would get sympathy for this. Yes. I would see that chess move but like I mean pretty much the main criticism against him right now is that he's like mishandled this huge crisis that pretty much every country has done better than us. And like that's that's the one thing that's not supposed to happen. He's not supposed to get it like he the last person to get it. It's actually funny or just regular again. Yeah. Like like bad shit supposed to happen to the peasants you know the president is not supposed to get this like it's also just dumb like he he I it's funny in that way because it's like. Like Dude, you're one of the people who has power like you goofed. Yeah. Even by your own rules like poor people are supposed to get this dude, not you like Jeff Bezos isn't going to get rid nineteen. Are you kidding me? He's he said it's because all of the armed forces want to hug and kiss did he really say that? They come up to you. They can't they WANNA. We, respect them so much they they want to. Hug and kiss you. Kissing troops. Hugging and kissing the troops. Beyond parody at this point like. It's so even beyond that it's Ben beyond parody it pass that where it's like, yeah. Oh my God he really said he was got it from kissing the troops. I was kissing because. said. I think he was talking about hope Hicks. Oh. Yeah. She scouted the troops want to give her a big kiss. I mean, yeah you WanNa talk lethal injection bro we. Yes sir I mean hope Hicks. That's a that's a major lethal in just to who who's to say this. Wasn't. All a result of a lethal injection somebody else doing it. You know. We we never specify what would happen in lethal injection. What's what's the? House you know. Yeah, this could be the greatest leader. act. Slow but she's GONNA be she's too hot to dive row now. I've never seen pixes whole pixes too hot to die. MILANIA is too hot. So you think so. What Malania? She's hot. Yeah, she's hot. I, mean I know yeah. I mean, she's not like gross but. No Yeah. But I mean, she's definitely. Yeah she's hot. I'm on the fence I'm on the fence, lead the lead the jury to Seattle. Waited grade like she's supposed to be hot. So I'm judging her based on a weighted great. You agree pixes. AB. Absolutely. Smoke show. Ours. You'll see hope Hicks is like Yeah absolute smoke shows. But I, I love how the night that it happened. I, was I was like. full-on on consuming the twenty four hour news cycle and I. I was I was watching CNN and they kept finding ways to like keep calling him fat. Oh No, that's the funniest part about this. Is that like yeah or Anderson Cooper would be like Sanjay okay, Dr Sanjay Gupta you would agree that You know coveted a lot worse for You know like a man who's old and you know obese, you know a real Heffer oh yeah. You know. So like this disease is really bad if you're a fucking Faddish, Shit Yeah right Dr. Your. Gross Fat Slob. No, I've heard. This having doctors on be like. So tell me again, his risk factors like well I is a is a big factor like, yeah I know that one I know that one. Well, what are the other I forget what the other risk factors like well, he's overweight is overweight yet. That's the one I forgot. A little lions. Yeah. They`re Time Yeah. Yeah like feigning feigning sympathy. Yeah I. Really. I'm I'm hoping for a speedy recovery for the the president and his dump truck. Why It's it's really really annoying. Giant Lord s like Dude, what's this decorum? Like? Why are they? Who are they trying to impress at a certain like at this point like Everybody. Toxic civilian civility but it's like. Dude. It's almost like offensive sometimes where it's like Hillary Clinton posting shit like that. It's like dude. Hillary like don't go ww J. D. on me like you've to Jeffrey Epstein's island many times that you've possibly eaten a child. Like. Don't try to act like. Out here remember when she had pneumonia. And he was like. Oh. Hillary I'm. Like Dude. Hillary, you've probably seen satanic rituals take place on an island like you've your husband has may be fucked a kid like. You're not getting into heaven like, why are you doing this? Just be mean like you're good at it. I WANNA see like Hillary should've taken her shot. At trump? Yeah he made fun of. But it's like it's weird seeing these people like that. You'RE NOT GONNA win anybody over weird seeing people like that like do the civility mode where they're like Oh Rachel Rachel maddow yeah. It's like you're not she was doing high just don't say anything right why yes. Yeah like no, it's it's fucking goofy. You could easily just not say anything at all. Well Rachel, maddow maybe not a great look for her to take like a victory lap and be like you know. Celebrating out in the streets for it. No. You can't do that if you're a journalist. You know if you're a news person. Yeah. But but I mean she's always she's on some. On some other shit man she is remember when Roger Ailes died. Like Roger Ailes was a mentor. Roger Wins. The you know. I yeah. I mean I'm not like over here sitting I'm not sitting here like praying for his death. I don't think that's a good way to live. But no, actually I don't know if I could like legally continue this. Path right now conversation I mean I was. GonNa Goals and I'm like, oh. Wait I. Think F. B. Would Come over to my house if I continued. Collect Yeah I've already had the secret service at my home, but it wasn't even like for my own shit. No because my ex have we told that I'm not GonNa ask you know we were told that story that we've told that story at some point behind the pay wall. Yeah I mean twitter twitter saying they're GONNA ban people for like just want like wanting him to not survive the virus like that's kind of ebb. Thought it was like. Right illegal to like personally say you're going to kill the president parody on even like having that sound. Like right the timeline would be like a fucking tumbleweed. Yeah. Is it you? Want it generally to happen you know. The Sad. Yeah man there's nothing illegal about manifesting. Yeah. Manifesting is not a crime. It's absolutely not even black magic sending. Yeah. Sending out vibes is not a crime. I'm doing black or white magic to make something happen in the universe perhaps is that yeah, there's laws yet. Well, it's called it's called african-american Magic Oh my bad. Yeah I'm doing a black magic ritual actually. It's a, it's the third kind. No but seriously, it was like a little weird that they said they were gonNA crack down and people just like. You know rooting for the virus. Right no I don't think they have hockey dude everybody's a cook. Let's just have this moment. Right. Like yeah. Let's root for Corona virus come on. Right. Now it's now is the time I mean I feel like. Kovic got a got a real bad rap few while and said, now this is kind of this is cove. It is kind of having this like redemption Ark Right now I, mean. fuck who is the WHO's The star of the wrestler? Mickey Rourke. Mickey Rourke. Rourke that fucking Oscar numb. The. I? Mean it the the virus took John Prime from us So I mean I have A. Real hard beef with this virus No also two hundred thousand taken. But Yeah you know some good folks away from us a lot of a lot of folks maybe how it could gotten to know. Get into some right places. Some Some Of. You saw the list of who else got it right Oh. Yeah. Am I mean it's a real life murderers row spread it around baby. Let's fucking who was it oh, it's fucking yeah Malania. Rudy Giuliani Ivanka Jared Kushner. The we talked about. Talk Greg. He looks like who was a? Oh Tall Greg, who's told Greg. On a succession causing greg. Cousin Greg, WHO's taller? Well he's tall. Nobody Calls Greg. Hey looks nothing like cussing greg either he does look like cousin Greg we does any gonNa people are GonNa fucking agree with me I think I. Think. If you fucking searched jared kushner cousin Greg Not Tall Greg whatever you knew what I meant. No, I didn't. If you search jared Kushner. Cousin Greg I'm sure a lot of people would agree with me. Oh. This list is just people who recently traveled with hope Hicks. We don't Yeah I. Was GonNa say he does not have it either yeah. Old Great does not have the coronavirus They look alike I. Think probably I would be willing to bet anything. Cousin Greg is like loosely inspired by Jared Kushner. They've definitely got the. They've got similar vote I think the trump family like very much inform- surrounding of that show hundred percent. Yeah It's about the Murdoch's. A mix of a few you. Oh Yeah. I've I've is searched jared Kushner cousin Greg on twitter and people agree with me. Okay. Yeah. You found somebody ninety twitter a place. Many people many people are saying this is a place known for for. Good. Opinions. Goodyear. This is I mean these. I would not include this among any of the bad opinions on twitter I. Think this is. Their you'd think they look alike or are they just two white guys that are tall and where a suit? Maybe it's just the vibes. Yeah. Because I think based off jared Kushner. He's based on the will I think they act like they're similar in spirit. Right, I don't think they look alike jared Kushner looks like a weird snake he looks like an actual weasel. He's A. Like a pasty to him where I talk to I talked to somebody who said that that's her lethal injection. You talked to somebody who said that Yeah we can. Yes. Dude I don't know about that. I really. Is He. I mean. Yeah That's questionable. I know about if he wasn't well, that's the fucked up thing is that is the thing about height is because I will say even the ugliest. Even. The ugliest tall guys still like hot to a lot of girls because he's tall. Yeah. But I mean like that's like some weird. Yeah. Focusing tall privilege man his stance alone just like how he stands I just can't even imagine it. I mean you know jared Kushner's laying abysmal pipe obviously just like he's stands obviously jared Kushner pipe game is. Horrible he looks and acts like one of the people that's like infected by an alien men in black you know like his head. Cracked open and there's going to be a little guy in there with controls yelling at Wilson. He just acts like a little off I mean do you think there's anybody in the in the the administration with good pipe game ooh. Really thinking about this, I mean their spending people have been fired that it's hard to keep track. Honestly yes. Scare Mucci like early SCARAMUCCI. Yeah the Mooch is yeah. The mood has. For sure. He was moved. Muccio. Sure Yeah. mouton on that. Pusey. Under percent I, think he knows that take some time and please a woman. I think yeah. I. Mean that feels like so long ago. Yeah. Yeah. Like scare MUCCI feels like that. Feels like some like. All in this stall dishes where you're like, oh, remember rugrats no well yeah, I mean that's the FBI. So long ago that's the other part of this high right now is that the high has faded but it's like Oh we're at the end of like. If not the story then at least like the chapter or we're approaching the intermission, you know there's like a bit of like Oh my God like the four years, i. In some ways it feels like it's been a long time longer than four years in other ways it feels like it's just blasted by. But to at least know that like, oh, it's almost November. Right, no matter what happens like I'm not saying that the world's GonNa get better at all. It's just like It's a date that I've thought about a lot. It's finally here and especially at. Even like this year I'm like I'm excited for this to be over even if it's just in the calendar and. covid still going on, it's just been fucked fucked year. It's been a lot. so I think there's like. That type of high you know. Who would there's? There's like I mean that was that was big day we we had the. Borat to trailer dropped. Yes and. fucking. You know. Trump Cova. You worked on huge one DON Borat to. You can finally say it on the PODCAST. Yes. That was I mean I will say that fisting joke was that fisting joke in the trailer that was me baby was he's not joking you wrote that was literally. Sasha was like, Oh, I was the only American in the room that week. It was all me and British guys twice my age that have worked with him for years and so very intimidating situation but he was asking for American alternative cy fives and I mentioned I was like a fist bump he's and he asked people to fist him or to fix them, and that was in the that was in the trailer and that's and that's my if I died tomorrow. That will be. The that'll be my greatest cultural impact. I'll put that on your gravestone put on the Headstone Brennan fisting joke in Borat to tr-. Yeah. Wrote wrote a joke that was featured in the borat trailer. It's the last joke in the trailer that will say that, but but I but I digress we're not. We're not here for any of that. We're we're not here to discuss this while we're here to We're talking we're talking about a WHO has the best pipe game in the trump administration we're talking about that it did we hit it off quite a bit from what we settled. We settled on we settled on Mooch I mean I. It's hard to think of other people. Yeah you're talking alum but I mean I feel like Steve Bannon probably. weirdly in like a weird way in like a surprising way I don't even know if he has like normal sex. So I might give you that a technicality you know on some like on some freak shit where it's just like Oh, yeah, he he does sacrifice a rooster really well, like he's great like slicing of a goat because he knows how to Shit on a glass table like. Never mind. Right. It's a different metric. It's a different metric. Yeah. But anyway. God Dude and it's been. So that night was awesome. Loved it ten ten for that news ten ten for that initial breaking news and I'd say the follow like it lasted the that high lasted a little. Quite a while before. Dude I. Don't know if anybody's even ruined it yet like I'm used to things getting ruined there have been people and aspects that have like tainted it I'd say. By just yeah. But generally just being funny. Like it is I can't believe. He's he's not even getting out of the hospital just taking the fact that he just took a laugh. So funny and. One. Thing I wanted to talk about is the crowds outside of Walter Reed like there's these magazine people that are like gathering to like. Do like get well Mr President signs. which is rarely like all like forty five year old men like. Men that should be home with their. You know that you presume they have and it's like. Why are you out there rallying the president? Like don't you have a family too tend to what are you doing like all these guys have about them where it's like you'd definitely did not get custody of your kids like you click. Are Actually. Probably not allowed to see them. You have that look about you or it's like I know that you have kids somewhere that you don't see like you should. There there are kids that aren't with their dad right now because at Walter Reed. I can't see my kids because I, respect the president's whom I know. Yeah. Well. Like. It's weird because there's they keep showing these shots and all the usual suspects are like tweeting these like you know like, Jack What the fuck is that guys name Jackpot Sayabec or whatever. Oh My God, what a cock that dude yeah. The fuck and like a like he's like a pro-trump reply guy. Yeah. But like it's also weird, he was like a one of the pizza gay guys and. Sort of bums me out because like some of the original like crazy guys the like all right like racists mind you. But they are at least like kind of amusing they're going to be shitty at least they're like sort of entertaining. Like like Jacob Wall like. We talk about, we'll get to him. We'll get to him don't work convicted to him but objectively a bad person like he does bad things but also friend of the Pie. Paulie entertaining let completely entertaining. There's no denying that he is a showman and honestly he's charismatic like talking to them like even though consummate showman very easy very easy to talk to I will say that was like. A, very easy. I mean it was we might have to unlock it. Oh we should have one. For the freeloaders once he's once he's behind bars. Yeah. One day but in the meantime once he Can Be unlocked? Yeah. In the meantime, highly suggestive paying the five dollars and getting behind their. Yeah. That being said Yeah Jacob. It's like if you're going to be a villain at least be the joker like be the joker be the ridler have some pizzazz you know have some pizzazz. And Jack, how do we say his last name Brennan Do you know? Dude I do not those. I don't I'm not here I'm not going to learn because I don't like it and he's too boring but he actually had like some teeth back in the day. He was like did pizza gate stuff and like was a free. But now he's just like turn into one of these weird guys. That's just like in trump's replies just like you're doing a great job sir. You are the strongest boy like, I, respect you so much and you're great leader and just like you know nonstop saying there's just like dude, you sound like such a pussy, your thirty six years old. Why are you talking like that? What is wrong with you? It's just so fucking weird. It's like. It's just so far beyond like if you like trump fine like, but what are you doing? You're talking about like a seventy year old man like that. Dude go start a family what the fuck are you doing? Can we respond. To trump. One Hundred Times a day go do something with your life. He doesn't care about you. When you GONNA learn, you're not going to get a job in the administration. It's so weird and it's boring and for years it's just like dude at least at least walls like chaotic. To be one of the guys, it's just like supporting him like Bro. What do you? What are you going to get out of this? It's not even amusing. Yeah Jacob at least he's like fucking like. You know he's got like a suicide bomb strapped to his chest. Like detonating it like on you know he's like. Book, ruining his own life. Yeah. For for the for like the the cloud. No. Yeah and I mean I listened back in like I mean, he knows he can acknowledge that there are things on his side that are dumb like he's make fun of Charlie, Kirk and stuff. Oh Yeah he had some Shapiro jokes. Yeah. He he got him in there were there were some times were the horseshoe theory was in full effect? And the lake there were like a couple times where Jacob bull was like making was like making pretty funny jokes about like. Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro and Shit Yeah. Well, he there were times where Jacob will was like would make a joke and I was laughing. Lake with him one hundred percent I mean most is we spend a lot of time laughing at him in that interview and it is you know we were not we were we were not going so we did not go soft on Jacob. Wool but no, absolutely the yeah, there is something. He's charming. He is charming. There are times when I felt so insane that I started laughing, and then we're all like joker laughing together. We're there was no joke where it's like. Yeah where he wouldn't stop lying until we're all. And just like, okay. I mean that was like, maybe maybe my proudest core POPs lutely the proud proudest anything I've done this year isn't that was maybe yeah that's maybe the best thing we've done this year I mean, it's I listened to back to a good chunk of it like when I saw that he's actually being indicted. Which I do still WanNa talk about after I wanted to talk about these freaks that that calls into question like what the fuck is Jack Berkman doing yeah, right. You lies like. It. Would Jack? Berkman is like fuck and fifty two Jacob is three his brain isn't fully developed. He's still like young dumb and full of Cum Jack Berkman. He's he's. You know he's all he's supposed to be old wise in. Dr Come you know. I just know what they're doing like like why they're doing this. They all claim that they have these clients, but I really don't believe that they exist. take. It's like dude, what client is paying you to do like federal voter suppression efforts in the middle of Michigan like, yeah in like one zone they get. A big enough crime to matter like you're not in the coke brothers, right? Like they're not like nobody nobody's significant is paying you like maybe some lack. At, best like some guy that has some money that similar to them just like. So Weird CRACKPOT WHO You know maybe got like a big car accident settlement like he you know he got hit by like a Walmart truck. Or something and they gave him like two million dollars to like you know because he had like. Yeah, and then it's just like that guy it's just like some crazy guy got two million dollars and he's like our guys I'm going to pay you ten grand to do this like crime. They're like, let's go dude five, thousand, each Lens. Yeah let's. Yes spending all your time. Trying to get hit by a Walmart truck to say that you're an associate of the coke brothers. I think I think. My to them is that like they're down to do anything. Like it probably doesn't matter what money they're getting paid. If you paid them like a hundred dollars to do something like political thing, they would take it just because they like the idea of getting hired to do these political escapades. At least for Jacob that's the check out. if you really you paid him like. Below minimum wage would probably be doing stuff, right? I do want to reiterate if you have not listened to our Jacob will interview give behind that God damn paywall remain. It's so it's so worth. Br I mean what are the episodes? It's a dollar twenty, five and episode pretty much you added up When you added that in that agenda. As we did a prequel episode about his only fans and everything you know leading up to it if I if I had to put a price with tarp price on like the that the listening value of that interview I'd probably say. Thirty five. Dollars. Is, absolutely like like. If you consider the season a DVD for a season of a TV show is like twenty three years something maybe nineteen, ninety, nine I tunes like like it's better than like a law and order season like it would have more entertainment value. Oh No. That is that is a box set quality like a box set quality episode probably and some old timer lines. I'm I'll be honest. There's Times where you know I've I've really phoned in. Here but that's that's one time where I fucking your alert I came. I. Came Correct. We were firing on all cylinders. Yes. That was a good. If anything it's worth to see us like in our prime like really latest interviewing. Versus. Element I felt like we we started this podcast just like not knowing what it was four and like in that moment I'm like, oh. We're meant interview Jacob All. Yeah. We missed a leading up to this. Yes. That was like we're doing like an NPR style plug you know. Like It's a PBS. You know how they do like PBS will have like the pledge drives sledge drives where it'll be like a one hour commercial for like a Jerry Lewis. Jerry Lee Lewis be like great balls of fire all the classics. Whole lot eleven, you love this music. We love this music, and now you can experience it in crystal clear HD in his twelve. DVD, box at Jerry Lee Lewis Live at the Birmingham Auditorium here on PBS, and if you call now, you know that kind of bullshit. You'll get a tote bag. Yeah. You'll see it'll be like in the guide if the TV and you'll just see like a program called like John Denver and you'll be like, yeah, John, Denver like that's the name, the show and you click it and it's just like Don John Denver like Videos FM mental eventually revert to that you know. Yeah. That's the best. I could ease TV has gotten so weird but I don't want to get off topic. Have you have you. Watched, cable. Not Not really no oh, it's just like, I feel like they're just not making shows for it anymore. So it's like there's entire channels world just be like shark tank only. Yeah it's just like they're making. They're making shows again now though. Kind of Nopal people are people are back at work. I know I met like they're making streaming shows and stuff, but they're not like cranking out a lot of like TV, only shows you know. There's like, oh, just like flipping through basic cable Oh. Yeah, and and. I mean I want to go on the TV tangent, but we'll do that another episode. I have some I have some thoughts about just. Cable TV general. It's pretty funny. Go through but we gotta stay on task. We gotta stay on task. Tests I was talking about the freaks that Jack Dude the Jack do outside of Walter Reed. And those were the funniest Oh. Yeah it was. That's why I brought him up. Yeah. The. Guys ever. I Mr President, I respect you so much you. I. Would I was somebody else but do you think that was a joke we never addressed but I wonder if that was serious or if that was a guy goofing around I think that was a real to those are real dude it's so funny. It's just like it's sad. And exhausting and funny at the same time you know but I do think that like. I do think that people are getting tired of it because. It's it's pretty funny and sad to watch. Walter. Reed like that footage there. Posing like proud clips like students for trump, all those people, the usual suspects saying like twenty minutes ago. The usual suspects are posting footage of me and like, wow, amazing to see what's happening outside of Walter Reed right now you know and it'll be a by shot of like one hundred, sixty people like not many people that I think like I was saying earlier that's like that's like a good amount of people for like the Grand Opening of a frozen yogurt place or that. Like. That's not even a good amount of people for like the Kohl's black Friday sale like if you go to one of those like, I mean one. Yeah. One hundred, sixty people. What is this the the ticket sales for one of my shows at Nashville Zanies? Oh, I was gonna say like let's like even less than like a live pod. Still Alive yeah and it's like. It is weird to see 'cause it's like on one hand. Those people are strange for going out in like standing outside of a giant like Walter Reed isn't like one building its campus. It's a huge hospital. You can't like even like like it's strange to say standing outside Walter. Reed. 'cause that's so vague. It's like saying like Yahoo standing outside of Ucla like where where UCLA has like. Five miles long? Part of town? But like standing outside of Walter Reed I. Guess. Unlike to wish the president well, and it's just such weird optics because there's not enough people for it to be moving like a moving visual it way better if there's nobody there, it just looked sad it's like yeah, it's It's easy to forget that he's like. The president we haven't it's been four years since we've experienced like. The opposite. Thing where it's like, do you imagine if Obama this happened to Obama there'd be like fucking leg right throngs of people out there doing like a candlelight vigil like it'd be annoying in like a different way it'd be like Okay Azer fucking Corny like he's not even dead. Why are you singing songs? Murals you know but it is. It's easy to forget that like if this was like any other president, there'd be like huge crowds out there. Huge. It's like massive and there's like. One hundred sixty people like. Pocket change like lint. Like that. Just like. Like a random amount of people on the sidewalk it's really sad looking. Right. Now. I know man it's. Yeah yeah and it's like I. Don't know. Are they do you think? I'm not I. Don't know how his brain works like. Do you think that he's like? He sees it. He knows that it's pathetic looking or is he juice like other here for me? I think he's guest I mean he did the drive by and like to go to them. Yeah which is so funded. Beatle mania do that. So fucking funny. Can you imagine like well, ninety imagine being the fucking Guy Driving Oh. My God. Yeah. Getting possibly getting cove it because the president wanted to go waiting over a hundred and. because. He wanted to wave to wave to. One hundred sixty people or whatever do like it's just so funny that even wanted to go out there. It's hilarious. I mean, it's awesome. would be like. Two guys outside of our live show and this is like a scaled comparison, right? It'd be different if there's like two guys outside of our live show and like Mya backstage and you're like, do you want to go talk to the fans maybe like wave? What it was like two guys. It's so. Yeah no that's like a one on one conversation. There's. Nobody there yeah. This is not beatle. Mania? He did a quick pass by a small crowd nights and he risked where's where's where's Milan and all this? That's the one conspiracy theory that I can't believe is that like maybe she doesn't even have covid. Oh? Yeah. Maybe she just wanted to fuck off and like. I mean you have to like she can't not have like. If she didn't, it'd be you don't kiss your wife. Doing. I don't know when when's the last time you think they they fucked passionately. Passionately never. Yeah I think early on probably may do you think he throws like any type of pipe like besides tried Janke I think is his pipe game is not strong but I think it may be was at one point or no I don't think it actually ever was not i. don't think he ever had strong pipe game but I'm sure that like. This is something you decide handed. He did you decide to have or not like you know. You can choose you. Please woman like I don't think he's choosing. Yeah. He's just getting one hundred percent. He's not taking his time. He's not putting in the work. No kidding me. No no way. He's not. He doesn't. He doesn't. He doesn't eat it. Doesn't eat box. No. Way. Why we? To us out of what's that? Again. Yeah. You. Know. Yeah. I don't know why my wife my brain is stuck on that setting. Yeah. I'm just like on such autopilot that I even know. Like how brought up I'm assuming that you're just like piping in every once in a while like, do you think he's good sex and then I answered before you even thinking about the question you know. Yeah I mean I've definitely just been. We're I I was in like A. I was in such a weird state this weekend, but I think I'm. In. California you know. I said it was in a weird state. Oh there we go. I was like. Holly Weird Hollywood California. But. Now, I definitely like it made I I am. Yeah me too. I feel I, feel optimistic. It's good. I mean BIA. It feels good on many levels. It's just good I'm. It's crazy an unprecedented to. On precedent if he dies though before the election, then that's that's no good. It's going to be a situation by. I think McConnell will Be Like I first of all, like you guys need to. You. Know we can't. We can't. We got a delay, the election and then. You know Mike Pence's in power. I don't know if that would happen but. I'm pretty sure. I don't WanNa like go walk or would Mike Pence just run instead? Yeah I think he would be. He would be presented the opportunity to run the incumbent and and another running mate. You'd just be fucked riot. Like and he wouldn't win quickly because you're pence pence doesn't have the juice no, he's not. By Kamala Harris unfortunately the that is one thing about like the the whole lake. You know. Q. Caulton the just the whole trump called as a whole is like I do feel like Mike. Pence gets no love. No, absolutely not he's not even a character in the queue universe. It's so sad because he's not he's not he doesn't have the Star Power No. I don't think he wants to. He probably hates US Life Dude. Yes. He's a different type of bad guy like he's like really religious like he's the real right? He's does not like guys like trump. This is like a dude who does not pray like he likes him dislikes him for very simple reasons like trump doesn't pray for eats that type of stuff. Yeah. Just very strange. He's not like celebrating Easter properly like trump let the he put like a witch decoration up in the White House on Halloween. Religious like trump. You know that pence has some very specific ones like that. You know. Yeah This here's pence says shit kind of it bury the speaking of decorations really buried the whole like Melania Christmas then. Oh Yeah. Where people mad about that? I let's new and I was like. I mean, it's funny that she said foot Christmas yeah. It's pretty funny. The first lady said Fuck. crispy. I mean it's one of those things where it's like. It. Just becomes like forgettable. Nano course I mean because nothing matters like. It's just one of it's like, all right. We're just going through this routine like. We're going to put that out on MSNBC A bunch of libs they're going to hear it and like yeah, no trump supporters will here at if they do they're gonna be like Oh, it's fake. Yeah it's made up right it's just like, okay. So it's just a bunch of Democrats listening to Melania trump like. Just, continuing to not like her it's just completely pointless. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, this is like the first. The first big thing that it's just kind of like undeniable. Damn. He got sick right. Yeah. It's pretty cool by the way I've really enjoyed the pictures that they putting out of him like. Like. Working. Quote Unquote were yeah. Where it's really funny picture Kinda will I will say he kind of. Looks the I know that he's like Pale and they don't I know what you're about to say hardy agree with you. He. Looks better. He looks better than normal because he is nervous bronze or on. Yes he's bronze on he's just like. Skin. Know exactly. He literally like. Has He he like he looks you mrs a glow up yeah. He looks way better right now. Yeah. And like you know this is kind of he literally looks way better normal fitting shirt he had like unbuttoned. Yeah. Look like his SAM. I normal guy he looked less reptilian he literally looked so normal Yeah it was weird to see but also I was cracking up because they're like. Lip Twitter was like. Like diving into the Meta data, the pictures I don't know if you saw that like like Russia gate type people, they're like looking at the Meta data, the the photos and I was like, all right what are they trying to prove and they're like these were taken ten minutes apart he wasn't actually working. These were just staged photos. It's just like are you kidding me? We need to look at the Meta data to know that. Of course. I think he was just working all day in the hospital. Are you fucking out of your mind? Like you those pictures did you see the pictures? Brandon no of him like working in A. Presidential Suite. visit their hilarious looking I mean, he's like. Signing a blank piece of paper and just like two folders and a pen. And it's like, yeah, I mean just because it's like nobody's work has not looked like that since one, thousand, nine, hundred, twenty, five, or something. Like how do you even like eighteen ninety or something just like We're working as a businessman. We've just like literally like doing grow of calligraphy looking at I'm looking at Donald Trump's a twitter right now. And he he he reads tweeted a diamond and silk tweet from last year. I just now. Of Him Hugging Diamond and sill. And it's like this is from July twenty nineteen and he re tweeted it like today. And it's it's just diamond silk saying a period at Real Donald Trump we wanna say thank you for being the best president ever. Thank you for being. Best, president paving the way. Thank you for being the best president ever. Thank you for being our voice and thank you for paving the way for all Americans have an opportunity obtaining the American dream. We love you so much more God. Bless you. Oh, my God he like he just he he just popped in. He just popped in to be like I gotTA I. GotTa re tweet This diamond silk. Tweet from last summer. Here's an audience back. There's a new giant. We Watch one together just for fun yeah. Let's watch this. We're getting great reports from the doctors. This is an incredible hospital wilt to read the work they do is just absolutely amazing and I, want to thank all the nurses doctors everybody here. I've also gotten to meet some of the soldiers and the first responders and Water Group I. also think we're going to pay a little surprise to some of the Great. Lakes. To speak. Out there for a long time and they've got trump flags and they love our country. So I'm not telling anybody but you but I'm about to make a little surprise visit. So perhaps I'll get there before you get to see me. I just when I look at the enthusiasm and we have enthusiasm like probably nobody's ever had our Putin's those the job we're doing we have more enthusiasm than maybe anybody. So it's been a very interesting journey I learned a lot about Kovin I learned it by really going to school. This is the real school. This isn't the Lynch read the Book School. and. I understand it and it's Very interesting thing going to be letting you know about it in the meantime we love the USA and we love what? He's absolutely losing it like that or you listen Minson, let's read the book school. You know like this is the let's get cove school. That was. Like the fuck around of no doubt he's losing it man like he's really losing. Like. I? Don't know it's actually hard to describe. It's kind of every. It's completely dark. Like when he started getting Giddy, it's like he's in his own little like world. where he's just like. Like the fans he's like the fans are outside I'm GonNa go give them a little treat. Don't tell them. Santa's coming down there little present. It's me the presents me. It's like, yeah weird. It's like he's posting the main twitter. It's right. It's the he's completely talking to the heads. It's like only his super fans now. Yeah he's doing it for the culture. It's like it's almost like completely forgot he's president you know. Yeah, it's like. He's just a famous guy now. I mean I'm not gonna I'm not one of these people that's like a pretending that you know like during the debate there there were people that were like Jess Biden said shut up man. He called him a clown, you'RE S. They're both so unwell but yeah, he's he's like he's gone. He's not. He's I mean it's just like not even like what he's talking about. He really used to be so sharp for us to be so sharp. Yeah. But it's like it's close like he's not even like talking about anything close to what's going on like. The president of the United States is like in the hospital incapacitated pretty much and like Mike Pence should be in charge right lack. Normally the way the news would be talking about this. If it was Obama would be like this is a major national security risk like our country I mean I don't really think we're ever really at risk like, but they'd be talking about it as if like Russia was gonNA like launch a missile in the president's not going to be to fire. The laser lock it or whatever you know. That's how they'd be talking about it and like. Like there's not even acknowledged like he's just like only talking to his fans right now in the weirdest way fans just straight up like an only fans update. Yeah and like it's just very weird. Really Eerie. Is the way I describe that Val. I WanNa go USA yeah and then just I'm learning a lot about covid. Like I know like some of this stuff like it feels really. Like I know you're supposed to like. Talk like this. You know it's like obvious criticisms, but it's hard not to sometimes. Right. This is this brought me in. This is like I I think we've been avoiding of the Zeitgeist for the most part on this past. But yeah, this is this is something where I was like, yeah, we can't record until we got a we got to see how this plays out for a little bit. This this sort of marinate I mean it's literally funny listening to say like I'm learning a lot about covert like cut bragging. This isn't this is a real school not like the books just like. A? Disease Getting the disease is how you really. Think. Bro It's seven months too late like you should been learning about this. So long ago he's he knows how to flip the narrative maybe he's flexing that he learned about. I learned a lot of the ends you. Literally Gate Kovin Mba I'm I'm learning I'm learning so much. I mean school with soldiers. Yeah. You guys aren't Yeah. Built like this this. That's so sick. That's so funny I mean. Oh. My God is just it's hysterical now that it is really really funny and you know what's the sad thing is that like by the time this episode comes out in. Like a few hours, probably more things will happened. Tomorrow Monday morning people be listening to it. It'll be stuff we don't even know about. Go farm farm to table with this one. Yeah. Just like crank it out. Why not? I mean I'm excited to see what's next. I. Cannot get over that video. It's like of those things are up to watch it a couple times like fully sink it. Like. Like what did he put this out for? What is the strategic value of this video? It's a minute and thirteen seconds long and I like lays just like proving that he's not dead I guess so like. You know I didn't think you is going to die. I never really thought so. But it is so funny a drop that like. There's no way that scripted. It's so obviously not scripted and he does so poorly script he's just like it's a minute and thirteen in like one minute of him is literally being like I'm not saying I'm going downstairs but you might have a little surprise and his second. Directly. Speaking to two hundred people that are outside. This is not a big crowd. Down there. Yeah. It's like two hundred guys. It's like two hundred divorce guys and a couple people our age that are out there right like just tweeting to how many million followers does he have? he's got. He's. A. Six, six, nine, million people that the video has nine million views. It's basically a video that should have been texted. From his campaign to like those two hundred guys that were out there thanks for coming I like you. He's supposed to get to the entire world is seeing this and it's just literally like him teasing I'm going to you want me to come wave you. Just to say, thank you for yeah that's all he just wave. Oh it just so he Yeah. I mean, this is just such a bizarre time beal I've man like I don't. Yeah, no I know it's just really. And it's strange. that. We've been podcasting this whole time. It'll be interesting like you know if Biden wins like I don't really know what's going to change but. At least just like removing I, think it'll. Yeah I think I think it'll be like a nice return to. The Times yeah. I might were miss some of the lake people want feel the need to like pretend to be wonks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. and. Just like the barrage of craziness you know. The barrage of crazy and like. I hope that like. A lot of the Maga- people could just like go back to doing what they used to be doing. Like I actually do. Hope that for these people because it seems like a lot of work and it seems like a lot of time wasted. Same with Russia Gate. I want them to have good lives. I don't like them but for your free yourselves of free yourselves of cue for yourselves of Russia Gate like I don't know what these people were doing before exactly. But. Yeah. I don't know they might not stop but I think they deserve to stop just like, yeah. put down the IPAD. Get off a Chan and just get off get off twitter for IPAD. Go do whatever you used to do. You know I mean I think it's yeah. That's the thing. It's. That's the best argument for The Biden Administration is We're GONNA. It's GonNa be a a normal pilled. Time. Yeah. Then our country. Yeah I mean. Yeah because just like it just weighs on you no matter what it's just like to have something just completely insane dropped on you and lake. Twitter can one side three can finally get back to people being like, why don't they call jetskis motorcycle? We can finally we're going to bring Save Star Back BRING BACK G FOUR TV WE'RE GONNA BRING BACK SPIKE TV. We're going to bring back maxim on print in print. Oh Yeah. We're GONNA be print bring back. fhm Is Back Yourself magazine is back. Let's go internet porn is banned completely. No no no no. No. Not doing that. We're bringing it back to SD. You have to pirate it pirated only yet no internet porn will still continue to thrive, but we will have maximum imprint. Everybody gets a yeah. Everybody's GONNA get a maximum subscription and stuff magazine fhm although Lad mags the American lad down with that going to have a renaissance yeah. I'm with that I'm with. Ya. I'm just trying to think of well I. Guess It depends on which era of time you would want to go back to you know. Taking this back I think we're I think it. Will you know they'll be going to? Oh, eight this early stream. Yeah I think Oh eight Oh eight oh eight Oh, nine barely like pre porn up. Yeah you're going to like maybe you're getting some weird streams. It did porn up. No none. I mean I. This is something you're you're supposed to know. But yeah, this is definitely your area of expertise two, thousand eight. I think maybe maybe maybe maybe I, think like it was early. I think more. So you're going to like some weird like website that doesn't have a catchy name you know. you're getting virus like you're getting your more. So you're more likely virus like going to the site you know what I'm saying. Like, they may be existed but you're getting some Mauer you're getting weather bug you're getting Banzai body like the. Those. Who is that? What was that one like? A motor con up. That was just a virus basically was it bonds I breathe Maybe. Yeah. Were you doubt you'd be like, Oh, I can use all these fun Emoji or I think this is pre emojis like they were just emoticons and they would like dance around and stuff, but you would have like so much malware on your computer. Thinking was bonsai buddy I'll text you bonsai buddy right now I remember like, yeah, it's going to be like that it was like. I remember my grandma getting bonds everybody and just being horrified like I, don't know if he ever actually my bad remember. Email eyebrows I. Laugh I tell facts. Do you remember him. The. Now I remember I. Remember Him. I mean it's like I don't know of Bonsai Buddy specifically virus but if you manage to get bonsai buddy like in the process, you for sure got virus you know yeah it's just like all right. If you have this like, what else do you have you know? Yeah. No. Absolutely. It's just like it's more of like a canary in the mine type situation. Yeah. Absolutely, but you know bonsai buddy we're not bringing him back. He's not coming back. He's staying He can yet. He can stay dead stay dead. Yeah. But Yeah I'm Andrea Buddy otherwise I. think in the dirt going back Coney Coney two, thousand, twelve coming back. Yeah Kony twenty, twenty unfortunately. Bernie's going away. Like. You know for better for worse we're going back to two thousand twelve thousand eight ish, right. So like Bernie doesn't work. That's like to clear like the ideas make too much sense we need. It'd be like more more abstract like we need to be doing like a coney type mission. You know it's like. To capture this warlord and the way that we're going to capture him is you have to share this youtube video. After donate donate money to these two guys in San Diego but. That live Pacific Beach Party and like make music us like that's the only 'cause like this is you know we weren't thinking about like, Oh how do we like? Poor healthcare making people not. Poor. That stuff's too confusing. Let's do growing. We need. We can't play highway out of black and white video. Oh that's also coming back. We're bringing that back to will I am being political pundit where he comes on In the future, just instead of a kid there should be an IPAD. Instead of having. You should have an Apple Watch and yeah, listen it's not. It's IT'S A it's not called. Let's get it started. Yeah. We're going back. We're going back to the. Original title we're bringing that. This is the. The Biden campaign platform that they. said, this is the debate they fixed it with a delay though. Out. When he? I'm going to change the song title back. Oh Boy oh boy. Yes sir. Well well fun for today. Is that what you're thinking? Yeah, I think I think we've had we've had enough. Had enough laughs. We had enough laughs for the day. I do WANNA, get one extended plug off before we finish this episode. As most of you may already know I have begun work on the third annual yet, but still Halloween special. So I wanted to plug a couple of things first of which if you have a paranormal story something scare even happened to you non paranormal I'm taking those UFO. Anything weird anything that happened to you or somebody that you know. I'm dead serious please email me but still prodigy. Mel Dot Com. If somebody happened to a family member or friend, just make sure to person that you could get in contact with and they'll be down to tell the story. I am still taking some more stories So send me a summary of them that being said. I do already have quite a few good ones recorded I'm working on this episode. So I'm really really excited for this year's Halloween special I do need a couple more. This is a this is a real ghost have a year last year and the year before that were really all over the place we've had if if you haven't heard I've had stories from all over the world submitted from people that listen to podcasts. So. If you haven't heard those episodes on patriotic I, highly recommend them. With full competence I mean. I it takes way too long to make these episodes by myself so. Please you know get back there and listen to them. They're they're really good. I. Could say that with complete confidence But yeah email me your stories I want to hear them especially if it's a non ghost story because I want a little bit more variety for this year so. Yeah, send him and stay tuned for the third annual Halloween. Special you have is still part of G.. Dot Com sign up for our Patriot on listening in dot com slash gs still just do it folks All right. Thank you for listening everybody.

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79: Tuesday, May 7th, 2019

The Morning Toast

58:10 min | 1 year ago

79: Tuesday, May 7th, 2019

"Get good morning. Happy tuesday. Happy presell launch day for the dirty jeans tour final leg extravaganza DJ t also it's the day after met Monday. So I'm feeling hung over even though it wasn't like technically invited, you know, per se totally feel hung over from the four our lives that we asked him where on rancid was hung over. She was literally asleep. Elbows were on the table. Actinium mother to turning right? It was it was a weird stream. It was none of them wanted to be there. It's like they were all individually offended that they weren't actually at the gala totally and that they have to comment on the Mekel each competing with the other about how much insider information. They have information like either came because like brag resi styled, some people or like, they get presi emails, which I get to you know. I mean, honestly, I do think Brad Gretzky like in some universe could have been invited. So I think like truly like weird for him to be. They're also Elaine von Elta worth like, she's a judge on project way. She's like the former editor of teen vogue like she could. I've been there too. So I understand Roberts Rousey toilet thought. You should Zada Roberts. Rasi looked nuts with blue shadow under blue dress. She looked like the crashing into Okeyo. But did she look Cam? Oh, yes. Actually, you know, as I was watching the livestream involved. I was starting to understand a little bit more. But what was really understanding was that? Nobody was understanding, and I really feel like at the end of the day after seeing all the looks. I have a good sand sense of what they meant as camp to me Campbell always be like, you know, was whistles clipboards concert cinch, but met Gallus understanding of camp. Like, I feel like I get it. Now, it's so funny later in the night when people were starting to walk the red carpet on the news livestream. They would like zoom in on people shoes and stuff, and you could see on the floor. The carpet was covered in people's like feathers beads ruffles like people were literally unraveling on the carpet the carpet started out pink. But it ended up by the end of the night being multicolored. I mean that's pretty Cam merry Cam. Okay. So we're gonna talk about it a little bit. We're gonna get into the nitty gritty on the patriot. Because we don't want to inundate this whole episode with. Macau covering because there's so much else going on like pre-sale, which started at ten o'clock for all the eastern standard time shows, which is Pittsburgh. It's Philly Toronto. It's Richmond Virginia beach Charleston, a bunch of others New York is going on at noon because I'm feeling like making it special in twenty minutes. That's the central time. Time zones are so confusing going until at noon yet. We'll presale presell. Okay. So confused, you're like Morgan Stewart trying to do the nightly pop time. Let me tell you. We're on ten thirty on some nights and eleven o'clock, another it's very confusing. Okay. So shows in some cities, it's live and some cities. It's not if you wanna be eligible for presale. All you have to do is become a patriot member nine dollars, WWW dot patron dot com for eight does seller. So the shows that already went on sale at ten this morning. We're Pittsburgh villi Lexington. Charleston, Toronto Richmond, Virginia beach. So those have you don't sell for forty minutes. I do hear that some of the shows flying off the shelves AK Toronto. In twenty minutes, which will be central time at ten pm ten AM Minneapolis Ossining cog on the walking New Orleans. Are we feeling other yet yet then at noon in New York, the beacon is going on sale? And I would just remind you I will be like Larry putting a picture of job on Instagram like just for tension. You know, right because that's an important moment. For me tease. You're jinan. Interim takes and see the whole thing at the beacon, TicketMaster dot com slash beacon. Yeah. Then at one o'clock my time, which is ten AM Pacific time the rest, we got Los Angeles India. Go Seattle Vancouver, Portland. Vegas suffered Cisco. That's it. So hopefully, trying to make that less confusing forever run. But when I was on the phone with everyone, they were telling me about presell, the managers run they were like ten AM local time like, okay? So all the shows are going on ten on it. I know local look into New York. So it's just think the world revolves around eastern time eight does sometimes when things are live like game of thrones is on. Yes. Because trunk west coast, which is so interesting so weird, but like it should revolve around central or mountain time. It's so weird. And then ABC family's always like eight seven central, you know, which is because his kids, which is helpful. I just I can't chant and they went so head over to peach dot com slash more than to get your tastes to grow with no job show, dirty jeans store. I'm so excited me to got into. I think I'll go to begin. But I think can use it as an opportunity to see a little bit more of the new the trip to as berry Park, New jersey a trip to New Orleans. I've never been okay. You take your advice on this? Because I was thinking for the final leg of dropping the pajamas. That'll stick pajamas and slippers. Okay. I could understand that. But then it opens up a whole can of worms of what do I wear for this tour? Right. So I would have to have unofficial outfit like for for the shows, which is difficult as well. Yeah. I technically should be wearing dirty jeans to there's always been this like big hiccup like this huge controversy conflicting myself. It's your store to tour and I'm wearing clean pajamas. Right. The lease what I'm wearing now is actually. Was the inspiration behind that read? Like, these are the genes, I have literally not not taking these genes off in a period, but it was the ripped jeans. Oh, yeah. Ripped ones anymore. You realize everyone you black sheets every day and technically could say they're different every day. The same rips the same places you're wearing the jeans every day and their genes five days. That's interesting point. I think you should stick to the slip to the page. So you don't get going. Well, so far despite the hypocrisy, and like you don't want to add a layer of discomfort on each at least. That's one thing that you like that you can rely on no matter. How treacherous this road gets at least I'll comfortable in the will of reunion would need out there super late eulogise strolled into Harry makeup in this read. It was like exactly what I wear onstage long, sleeve pajamas read all sequence. And it was so cute. And I wanted to find it in black from her sore. I couldn't find it. I could go for doing the pajamas in different colors. I don't need sequence. Personally that adds another layer jeans. Wins. It's like, you're adding a third element totally. But I could go for red PG's Red's, not really Michael Lou switching based on the city sitting rolling block. Then there you go. Yeah. So solved. So you answered your question say people are so funny when I release the big poster they're like people get really angry in this like, and I didn't really respond to anyone with literature responses, and you're not coming to Louisiana. My god. What did we did to you? And I'm like girl look at the poster Louisiana's right there. Right. Like like, how could you not Boston bitch? Where were you? When I did two shows at the Wilbur, please Atlanta, killing you hate seven girl. I was in Atlanta shed shucking for tickets left and right swipe out about so I didn't respond, but this girl was like are there any cities that you're not going to that? You never went to that really feel maligned. Okay. Like, there has been some sure there's some there's a bit of outcry for. Kansas city. Okay. It's just like I think that's such a small city like it was on the list. I was just like that Boise and Omaha. I was just like I don't think anyone will show up in like, it'll be a waste of money and time to just trek there, the UN to Boise I would have gotten with you. Along the places I wanna see Boise. And then you tell me not to hear Boise's beautiful this time. Wherever like, listen. I need you in Boise. You knew I would be there problem is needed you anywhere. You would be there. Of course. The problem is not only not say that you say, please don't come you. I really don't like like when we were all planning on like getting a tour bus in going to Boston. And then you're like, I don't want people. It's just like it's so much pressure. Like, even in Huntington, Long Island, Ben came, and I was a nightmare before throwing things in the dressing room. I was truly Mariah Carey. And it's because of bad like he just makes me over so Ben's, I'm going to come to LA show. And I'm like, no. And Ben let's come because it's going to be like celeb- Bill. You know, it's too important of show. Like, there's a point of people coming. Sorry. No, he's Awsat outside. No, he can buy a ticket and like Sydney audio he out telling you know, he is in Los Angeles. No, he can figure out a way to get interest without telling you and sneak into this location on my phone though in find my friends like he would not be able to get past me. I'm shit. I'm a true snoop. That for anyone and like sometimes I really need it. I have to say like what I started sharing it with people. I'm like there'd been nowhere. And then now I have a bunch of people's locations and never look at it unless they're like five minutes went and just like to see how really close and has been so helpful. I have a little bit. I have Margot have been a couple of friends. You don't have meat, and I don't do you want it. I like to do. I don't need it, dude. Always standing, right. We've both went home from the airport. Like, I just wanted to see where you were getting home faster. But other than that. I guess I could use it on my husband. But you know, what we give each other our privacy. We don't have each other's passwords for stuff. Like, I don't know. If that's weird or warble. No. I have been passwords I've been using them less and less, and I really love having been location because Ben is that guy who's like, oh come here. And then I'm standing outside like a Hooker for an hour of my husband's like that to show. It's nice to be like he says, I'm here, and he's really six blocks. And I will come down when you're one block away. Yeah. That's true. That's why it's the most helpful. We haven't got into a situation yet where it's like okay now, give your location. I've asked a few times, but it's never been necessary. Well, I feel as if maybe would answer relationship take it to the next level. You think it probably would? But like it's kind of nice having like he doesn't mind like I could be anywhere in the world. That's exciting going go to Los Angeles. No, that's true. That's an exciting thing to think about agreed. You know marriage is big commitment that you're committed to sometimes you just need your space. That's the thing about seven or go to Los Angeles. That's the thing about being committed. It requires a lot of commitment yet. We heard that on the livestream is just like talking to nonsense every time they saw some it was a new person. This was the the comer India. Veggies in. It was pretty well. I should have been it would have been like anyone anyone Jenner. Just like screaming. And don't bother a lot of can't be. But you know, what else they realize all know bras? Not one percent on the McCallum pink. Carpet was wearing a bra. And that's why I feel I will never be invited. 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I don't know a lot about her work. But Gino Mona was my best dress like the blinking. I was at I started to move into my own. No, the ice falling that pays itself. Back up genius. The hats the hair hearts like that. I mean, I don't know what campus, but I have to think that that's it. So for me, so for the person that I love and like, I just like, maybe she wasn't best-dressed. But like, I just love her the most he's of course. And by the way, she was up there with best. Josh she was totally on theme for me. I have to stress one person who was in theme and the best for him. And then just like look beat a foe. But what the fuck was. They who your I won. I won best. Just for the SIEM is KENDALL. Yes, I believe. And also go see the kennel highly like them showing up together them like looking like a bottle of Fonda Chris notes. So Cam that's so camp. No, they were so Cam they were so beautiful. I felt like highly really felt like herself it was like this was made for this is what she wears under housing pictures in like she looks like just a purple. She got to wear her way. And I'm so happy for KENDALL. Just look all of that. And then beyond show yet like Carly's was like borderline trashy with the Timberline. But she if anyone could do it, it's hurt she was herself. And she looks. She looks incredible. Her body was snacks. Like, she was wonderful KENDALL was she she encompassed the theme and the moment and the met Gallet feathers like she really looked tastic. She looks fantastic. I loved everything about her look, including some of her. New facial features which I can relate to because I just got Rushbo talks yesterday, and I got fresh look, and I'm so swollen like usually I put on. And you know, you rub it all around your lips. I can't even like Ma. Hurts. So so they're gonna go down a little bit. Like, I thought I wanted huge lips. And now that I'm crazy. So I'm ready for them to go back to normal. Okay. I guess they could go down a little bit. But you just loving. I'm like inject him. All I'm like, denarius Burnham on all who's the other person. And then my best dress, regardless of the theme. Just like you to outfit was Haley Baldwin Bieber. You're gonna say Seinfeld. And I was like oh, man. She looked like no. But she was camp that was campy, but she was kept for matron. She was camphor Instagram like when the that whole collection came out, and it rose, I mean, yeah. Like, she was like, I'm aware met bomb. Right. And like, I expect more from her. You know, what's so funny is I think part of the reason why the news, I don't even know what to call it. It wasn't even a show because everyone was the retired rage. Coverage was so boring because they have been so like since the days of Joan they have taken so many steps towards like being nice, and like the making fun of someone's Alfred is now considered bullying, which is. So crazy like that's just not the case. Like, you aren't what you wear like. It's so stupid. But they really every every even the bad people were. Or if they didn't like, I don't think anyone was really crazy about the healthy Steinfeld, the, but they were just talking about the context behind the mean and the runway it was just like they would say anything just not to say anything even slightly negative, which is so stupid because that's funny. No. And it's also fashioned like people make mistakes, and it's it's not that serious. So like in the beginning of their coverage. They weren't saying anything about anyone. But no one really showed up looking crazy at and then towards the end, you know, everyone comes in full. Metal jacket, and they didn't say one cross thing about anyone. So you're telling me, they loved every single look is that what you're telling, you know, it's so unrealistic, and it's so stupid. And it's like you trust them WW J D. I want people who will put their neck on the line and say crossing about a celebrity who's not dress. Well, because they're giving the people the truth mortem each celebrity. Thank you. Maybe somebody's not going like them. Maybe just be oriented Granda. You're gonna tweet about you. But you gave us the truth. And we will never forget what it actually really liked was the interview Jimmy Fallon really quickly. And he was like, I literally don't understand what's going on here. I'm just like, no, I'm going to be quiet and make fun of everything tomorrow. That's what a normal person should say. Yeah. A comedian us comics. So who was here worst-dress, then I didn't think anyone actually looked like a glee. I really was just so disappointed in the hills time, they'll the special because on this show, we said a she's been on mcallen every single time. She turns out in a look she got stylist offer twenty first birthday. And then she showed up like just really not looking well, but I wouldn't necessarily say she's my stress. Not wishing theme shoes on the this person was on too. But I just I'm really sad to say. I think lily Reinhart was my worst dressed. That's a really good one coal looked. So like weird and good and campy, and he looked taught still like he can look like I was just really feeling it and them together the outfits were not cohesive like he was more like fun camp. She was more like serious marie-antoinette camp. And just I she doesn't have a lot of saying what she worked. She was just like excited to be there and the designer just dresses you, but I really wasn't into it, especially when she came off the most epic moment last year with him. Yeah. That's a very good one. I want to say one thing in defense of hailee Steinfeld one thing. We were robbed of her look because when I'm looking at pictures, it's cute. It's campion. She looks young and fun. But we saw her for the first time in the corner of the news coverage from like a terrible angle. And we were like, oh my God. That's Heli Seinfeld. And it ruin whatever was coming next ruined it for us. Yes. So like, maybe if I'd seen a photo, I have appreciated the look more. Also just want to say that Judith Lieber was the big winner of the night every single person was carrying him. She's unbelieveably camp. And like I'm obsessed with their instrument. I always comment as if it's my best friend like. Like your best Judah ELO. And like Emily did not does is in their new can be like. Like, that's my other friend. I'm like, yeah. Emily Ratu cow sqi. Oh my God. That butterfly had that was beautiful like just true beauty. Yes. I don't know I struggle with her because it's like she looks like a beautiful angel. But like so much nudity. That's her. And that's camp. Is it? I guess at the end of the night. You're always get naked. I can't you know, we're an we're talking to you like are you so crazy? That's okay. I don't know it just like to me. I don't know she in a way she always played like even though that was dairy. He's a way she always plays itself because she just like relies on her body time. They how can you dislike it want to take your temperature on two things. One is the riverdell cast like last year it was justly Reinhardt and calls browse. And it was like a really big deal that they were there. And I think they were there more because of him and her but now commitment as in Melton went and so did meddling Petra. That was really shocking which I thought was really shocking. If Cami Mendez and just and Melton had gone. I would've been like, okay. Finally, like trusses per the fact that madly was there like Anna Wintour, stands Riverdale cool for her. I hope you're enjoying the season. And I'm here for it there. The next gen agreed one hundred percent, and that is a move of her being in tune and speaking of an action the second thing I wanted to ask you about was Jim Charles. So I. And mature. Kind of clear my throat, James Charles and Emma Chamberlain. We're supposed to be there. Emma Chamberlain lifted. A partnership with batons I thought she was going to be there. But she wasn't there. Just James was he was Alexander Wang. I should say I'm time after time like really like uninspired by Alexander Wang when he broke highly. And she just that those weird sunglasses lock dress like I'm just like so uninspired by him too. But he did Hayley Baldwin stress. Oh, she looked and she looks great. And I want to say the thong of made the dress. Agreed. It made like otherwise she's a beautiful on a pink dress and look in thin with her back arched in a way that she definitely practice. The reason arching her back like that. So was that. So in one photo, you could see the front and the back which was so important for the looks. Otherwise, you have to post to photos every time. So the the thong said weighing saved it for me who did he say you were just saying James roles. I mean, people were jokingly looks like it's gonna cello, right? It was hardly joke. The issue with the mecca, and like all this coverage is like you wanna blame like you're like, oh, how could lily Reinhart wear that. But it's like she had zero say in what of war horse. So the blame is really on the designers. But then it's the celebrities who take the brunt of in so many celebs like really feel so uncomfortable what they're wearing. And that's a story that I want to talk about was Kim's Instagram story talking about all of her years at the galley and Kim is now in a place where Felix she can you know, give elaborate Seattle. There are few celebrities who are at that level. But if you're lucky enough to be invited by fucking like Stella McCartney, you just shut up and fitted, right? So a blessing but also occurs. So like someone it was someone else's idea for Lili right here to look like EFI trinket. She looked just like EFI. Also, it really was the hunger games, capital fashion. Yes. And I feel like fucking but Justice for those things knighted and Jucci. Jucci totally. There was a few people that were missing. And also like this is really controversial statement. But I'm not really one of the worst dressed like it is such a disappointing way is Giselle agreed. Apparently, she's never on team. And she doesn't care about the great. So she can wear any dress in the world and shows that like she does. No, it was a sustainable friendly. Like all the dress was made from the tears of orphans. That's cool. Good. Like, it was a fine dress like she could wear it to a party to the beach. She could wear to the beach for the McCallum. You're not gonna care about the theme. And you're just gonna wear whatever, you know, jewelry and your Giselle. Yeah. Agree step. It up. Agreed. Also, another one of my best dress Campbell. Oh my God. Love relooked, beautiful every minute agree. And I got to see a great shot of the feet because someone who works at e tentage so weird. They must have hired edge tonight, or which was just joked is unemployed right now and all all the whole feet. It's like they got no good celebrities interview. They got no good celebrities on the street. And then what they did. They were just showing. Fucking feet. Totally was you think about Kim? You know, what I'm and I said this before we watch any of the lodge. I'm consistently jams of the mecca like a little underwhelmed by the crashing because they really care more about like looking pretty and having their glam snatched than they do about like being in theme. And maybe looking like a little off, which I totally get much rather look pretty, but so Kim this time like went for the theme and not only did not really get it. Her body looked like so weird. And I just I don't know. I wasn't living for it as much as I was looking for KENDALL and Kylie and honesty like, Chris. Yeah. And I was living for kennel highly Kim, the more pictures that I see in more pictures that she posts it's like the way that she wants us to see us some more. I like it. But my first initial reaction was like what? And also it's like like a knee length dress at the met gal. Right. Yes. She like never can really get it for the mecca last year. She did she just plain white dress with literally last year. I thought she. Okay, actually. Yes. She did get into a heavenly body. The play. White like that was met. And then the, you know. Yeah. Mrs Doubtfire couch. Yeah. Okay. We'll get into it more and more. But so now, it is time to with stories that you need to know that wasn't a story. Taking wasn't a ease it, and we have three McAllister's first, Jamie Foxx, Katie Holmes. Make it met gala fischel posing a couple on the first major event red carpet big deal. I didn't even know that. Because I was watching news, obviously, they didn't show us anything important. Oh up. Sorry while they didn't hit the red carpet. The couple posed for photos inside the event in front of the flower wall. And in the main met hall looking cozy with their hands around one another as they stop for photographers, which they've never done before. They're always photograph editor sitting next to me like with an iphone. She doesn't want to poke the bear Scientology. Maybe she's out of her contract feel so bad for like, I think about her all the time. I know, but I feel as though they've been together for really longtime her Jamie Foxx, make feeling really happy. I think so because they don't like seek like this. Slime light. You know, when I just wanna say another very disappointing person. Outfit jaylo. Just like so thirsty thirsty. So been there done that riana and khloe Kardashian get like she could have warned that dress and even the headpiece like an award show wasn't special. No, it wasn't special obvious thirsty choice, and it was like almost two safe, but her safety like it was actually risk who who chilling. I need to clear my throat, so. Told his season hot nice. Okay. Katie Holmes, Jamie Foxx. Do you ship? I do actually really happy for them. I feel Jamie Foxx needs a stable woman in his life. She's a mom. She's a business woman. I think they're both really good for each other. She needs a little excitement in her life. I feel like she's been Kimmy Schmidt. The mo- woman for years like she just needs to leave the house and go to parties, and like he can offer her that they both fit each other's needs. Really? Well, yeah, I'm glad that they have the competence or whatever the contract ending grump. And they have started to step out a little while ago, actually, like a good amount of time ago. And then like something happened with the contract, you know, she got a cease and desist or some shit, and they really took a step back. And I thought they had broken up. But no, they're here at Mukalla. I'm here for any them like being required to keep it keep it back like behind the curtain was probably really good for their relationship. Like when you're just being thirsty in the spotlight like that can be good and thrust into. To the public. I if they're seeing the spotlight nickel. But ten yell Jonas. And Kevin Jonas as predicted were unfortunately, not invited. Which is just like, it's devastating. It's seating. So FIA Joe were there. Did you see what Nick tweeted? Yes. He should avoid his camp rock. No. He put a side by side of him a little finger. So we must protect the Val. Oh, I saw them with a little mustache like little finger. He also tweeted that he should have just weren't his camp t shirt that is so funny. I wish he should've worn it like under his pleaser that would have been so cool, and he just wanted to give an honorable mention to L fanning who actually was the only person who looked camper. Oh, she'll all the necklaces the camp bracelets, her hair and a high pony like she really took. Our interpretation of camp interrupt you to let her know that it is now eleven AM eastern time. Ten AM central time. So many applesauce in Chicago, Milwaukee New Orleans, patriotic presale has begun gun go to the after dark or the patriarch page to get the code and the link that is once again, Minneapolis all sin, Chicago. But walking New Orleans them's just a. A word from our sponsors. Yes. Who we talking about Priyanka Priyanka Scott ago? Yeah. So she was a Cutie. She's these all these other looks are coming back to me. Now, I get confused between Elizabeth Olsen because she's like assist. The younger sister is arguably more famous and beautiful. I dunno yet youngest usually sister is like the weenie like says Ademi to say like, you know, it's like the youngest shadow the Ashley Simpson. Yeah. And it's like the like. But like when the younger sister just comes out stunning. It's interesting, and I get them confused. Oh, yeah. Also, someone mentioned Miley. What we thought? Okay. So really interesting. I don't know if it was the same designer, but it was the same sex structure as LIZA Koshi stress. It was just weird because like a kind of lies a coach she looked better. I completely agree. But I just love if someone's wearing green green like, right? I will never take advantage of my looking normal because you never might be a fleeting thing. So she just had straight hair, and you know, she wore pretty dress and actually tights. So you know, what I sh- Miley gets her own scale, you know, for sure like on the scale of my lease. It was a good look for mine lead. But I feel like she is someone who would so embrace this theme machines to do all those crafts and not even camp counselor right pets yet. Let's not sous in the Susan Santiago way, I feel like she would really embraced like all of this Kraft cheese to do when she used to work with mosquito all the time like I felt like she could've just farted out a better dress yet. No, it was just very laid back. A theme that was really made for her. But like I said, I will never ever take advantage of Miley or be ungrateful of mileage is looking normal and pretty because that was such you know, a distant thing for me for. I mean, the short beings were the risk Schorr, whatever I'm just I'm really happy for Neilly normal. And also, she also looks happy highly highly love highly what shields finally Fudd Miley. Totally some of the Masino experts of the best looks just want Casey, mice craves, Tracy Ellis. Ross loved the picture frame. Who is there? One was Cardi B. No. I don't know. I don't know looks a little sue bed beyond like, oats shoes. Mosquito show was the chandelier Katy Perry Myskina. Yes. And also the hamburger. Yes. That was a little stupid. But it was Cam. I said before the show even started that she was going to really embrace the same because she is like Cam and noxious just you know, I love she was looking here from you be right. So I'm glad that she lived up agreed lady Gaga. I'm sorry. I guess she walked Harvey four hours before I now perfection. Early sheets so much now in somebody early for that we were watching the life do lip at her big ballgown was knocking out. Jalen a-rod, like even most respected people couldn't get at square inch on the carpet because if you're invited that means you're procedures, Belinda Gaza was shouli the first person there. There was not a single person on the carpet. That's why she had so much space for profit changes. I wonder what you were inside when he was on Saint she was in her naked outfit. God, I think that's what she wore. She's looked. I mean, if I looked like that I would fucking less than that. But that is camp by the end of the night. You're just naked skinny dip in the lake totally. So I love I loved it. It was like there's no need to comment on it. Because she knows she was the theme and she was the host. So like every like, that's it done extras, hell and her shows facial expressions. We're just so cute. Yeah. Okay. Next story. Shockingly Georgina Chapman attends the twenty nineteen met gala after Harvey Weinstein scandal, actually, not so shockingly because voted very piece on her. If he months ago, I was friends with them, and they're trying to bring her back into the fold and she dressed constants. Woo hoo. Looked incredible. I mean, that's always been the big struggle of his Trajan Chapman like, you know, compliance complicit whatever the end of the day murky makes the most beautiful dresses, and I would Constance will maybe not wise, but just like in my list of whoever looked the most beautiful and who's ever who's ever dressed the most objectively stunning? So regardless of how you feel. I'm glad she was there because the dresses that she make deserve to be like this like each and every day. I agree. Yeah. And as consumers we need Marquette, and they learned that lesson when it was looking for just a nice dress once and there was nothing there except for murky. So I supported and I will continue to cause. I support talent doesn't matter. Like now going forward. She standing under two feet, and she's making sure ses for people to stand in. On their own two feet. You know, like, regardless of how you feel. I think she deserved to be there. And you know, what it's like she has been through a shit storm and back let her go to that gala. Okay. Yeah. So that she was there. Now, I want to talk about people who were there shockingly, you weren't there. Because I did not see very Ana me. Neither didn't tell us. What I did not see both previous host like they're on the committee. Right. The friends with Anna. And it's surprising because I feel like we on no matter where she's at in. Like, she always goes. Because like she loves a good theme and everyone loves her and she's always going to carnival looking like campus. Hell so this would have really been a moment for her. Right. And then Taylor swift like is in the press junket right now. Like, why would she miss out on the biggest press our -tunities Taylor swift? What did you think of close very under seated like dress? I mean, I liked the dress in general, and I love what dapper Dan is doing for. So I don't wanna hate on the drive. It was just like it didn't scream met gallatin it certainly scream camp. And it certainly didn't scream Carly costs. Right. And like Gucci is so cool. And this might be mean, but has enough going for that I can say it. Carla classes, not cool enough for Gucci. She doesn't have of course, he's a lot of things. But she's not cool. She's very like she does express. She does Michael Kors. She's she's elegant. She's refined. She not like egg CI like g print everywhere. Right. That's true. So I didn't work for me. I thought the dress was cute. I think she's cute. But together was it's going to be a no for me. I really missed Taylor swift. I feel like in this new era of hers like bright colors, happy like pretty vibes. Like, she could have went with something. Just stunning really little like out of her comfort zone. Also where was our Anna yet? Well, she's on tour. I know. But like, it's the first one they may get the gear like she went last year when it was even her year like this really was her ear and she could've she is camp. Like both senses. Really? Yes. Because she whether soapy shorts and she wore wear like a big tool on card drag. She's all of it. She's flamboyant like she would have crushed it. So I missed her presence who else was or wasn't there? That was surprising. I thought. We talked about this a little bit. But not on the show Maggie Rogers was there see her. But I saw picture on Twitter. I saw her stories, and you know, what I was. Well, yeah. Maybe even under she went with coach along with Michael, Jordan. I love Michael, Jordan, totally. Yeah. I didn't like love look. It was surprising that she was there considering she really is like a new artist. And I don't know. I guess you know, what I imagine Anna Wintour of her music because she is kind of like indie like, you know, it was an interesting choices special because the person would compare to Moses Casey Musk's this. I MC L she just one of the four hundred he's like she should have been invited. She so fashion Rogers, mom, jeans, right and Magyar was just put out her first album the like. Only go downhill from here for Maggie Rogers. Right. And like an Wentworth clearly does not respect the hell out of country music whatsoever. Because there were so many other females in countries you like she invited you upcoming marris. He's really fashion totally. So it's like I feel like she feels compelled to make one because Casey is so fashion. Yeah. But also be his she's like an undeniable force in the music, not even just in country. I just think like. I mean, that's a great picture Maggie Rogers on the stream actually I should. I just you know, every time there's something that I don't agree with just leave out a win tour. You know, and I just can't help. But just think of the moment where she's sitting around the table like getting approved guests, I wonder who was invited by designer and didn't get approved. That's what I wanna know me too. That's what that documentary should have been not that bore gas corporate grade music thing that they made for the first Monday in may, barring sucessive Elsie. Well, the point I couldn't I didn't watch it. I started it. And I was like, Nope. Not that board. Okay. So anything next Meko story before we get into some other news pregnant, Kim Kardashian, cried after her first MAC out in twenty thirteen Kim Kardashian may seem confident no matter what she's wearing, but she does have some fashion regrets the beauty mogul took to Twitter on the first Monday and made a look back at her pass mecca looks before last night's event card is he said she was so nervous to attend. The Anna Wintour hosted set for the first time plus one, quote, I didn't know anyone and I'm sure no one wanted me there LL she captioned photos of herself at the event, which she attended while pregnant with her first. Town north while it was rumored that when torture south previously bancard action from attending the annual party Vokes editor in chief cold shoulder paled in comparison to the public reaction to the stars for gown with matching gloves and shoes who Ricardo t she designs von shayla quickly became a mean and was compared to grandmothers couch and social Media Plus crashing reveal that she did her own lipstick for the evening. And she admitted the color was so off, quote, I went home and cried after insecurity, but this is one of my fate looks now honestly looking at it in hindsight like she looks so beautiful over to the wet for pregnant woman. Yeah, she's like so pregnant like her face is like to the guards lipstick is fine. Like, she looks really not that bad. It's a wonderful pregnant leg. This is such a sad story yet. I like Kim feel responsible because supposing memes about him, of course. Because then it's like, I feel both ways. Now. Now, it's like we need to be meaner. We need to not we don't use meter evidence to stop being so sensitive, but it's also these peoples real feelings, we made Kim Kardashian cry. Yeah. And she looks great. And like, and that's what I did. I did not know that enjoy such a little bitch. And honestly like good on Kim for being like the bigger person. But the fact that at one point in time, Kim Kardashian was banned from the mall is so crazy. And the only way she could have gotten by Zach Hania demanded that she come. Yeah. That's bullshit. Such a loser. Now, every person follower is what she is every person on that carpet is wearing something that is slightly inspired by something Kim as worn regardless of whether you wanted to or not everyone's wearing puffy jacket in biker shorts and Kim's wearing two years ago. When I was like what the hell's is betraying. Yeah. And she comes only wearing like, we're tight spandex. You went a year. That's what everyone's gonna be wearing. Yeah. Or even when she was pregnant she only wore tight to the knee with the KOMO. That's all. Bitch is where you know, the the fact that just like the better, obviously, Kim. So once I go to the mcallen, be part of the fashion world. But like I hope when I went to our like eventually like lease job. She should have done years ago. Like Kim gives good slop the ass bitch Elam because she's just like a class act. That makes me really mad that. So then she talked about some of the looks of other years, which I honestly didn't even remember she felt better certain issues pregnant with say when she were this full share dress. I was just like so Kim K, but remember the year where they were bleed Chaib rows and Connie contacts, she said, she felt horrible that your shadow Mosser baby weight, and like she was back to being insecure. But let's go there, then we're likes it herself. It. Yeah. It helps when people like you're not supposed care about what people think, but it helps you'll good even if you don't feel good. But I think last year she felt her best. I mean, she looked best. Yes. She also she looks great this year. And I think for her it's all about her weight. Like, she got like if I feel that I look converter day. So I feel like she felt great last year. Like, she feels great this year like she's really been working out wishes shooting here photos. I know, but like as long as Emily Radic hausky is still face tuning him cab. It's crazy. It's crazy. When you look at that base, the models at base themselves like the tiniest girls, and it's like there. Insecure too. Like make their belly button. Vigors there's no hope for the rest of us know, they make their neck longer longer. And then like tighter. It's so crazy just crazy. Like, what people who really shouldn't be insecure about anything like what they're insecure about. You know? Yes, I'm scared about the obvious things like huge bellies and double chins, be arm. What do people without arms chins in bellies? What are they insecure? What keeps them of their insecure about their next, then I guess crazy. Okay. Next door. Another Kim K news, no Kim Kardashian. And Kanye west fourth child has not arrived yet though, this was so yester- there yesterday. There was a bunch of fake news that that they kind of started yet that Kim and kinda had had therefore child because Kim shared a screen shot of tech that west had sent her early Monday about her great light and one run married with four kids was married with four kids getting people out of jail cover a vogue cover of. Oh. He was just listening all the things being should be grateful. It was and then it was like dreams. Do come true. Really? And it was like four kids. Jackie Zach had to write something like that to you the things say would be like mom THEO right sold out tour. Hopefully, God willing tickets available on Friday. And you know, big lips. Okay. What would you say? This is so hard because it's like what do I valley, it's your whole life enforce sentences? Oh my gosh. Like. I need a minute. Because it's like, I'm not going to like, I don't know. I feel like for me. It's like the things that makes business like great handbag collection. No, not that like seen vibes. The scenes have never been senior. Never the morning toes. Like in the face of all the ad never been toaster. The member on podcast in Massachusetts. And New Jersey. Very new apartment is just what my one of my greatest joys as it should be. And. Choice. Okay. We've full lives over. I could always be fuller. But it could always feel like people who are always just looking for next thing. If you enjoy what you have right now. So yeah, I could say, you know, what I could do more. I also do not GRA shit right now, give me a motivational speech. Totally basically everyone always think of greatest showman. When they're like you wanted to be so much more than you are and all this time. I'm reading stories about people who are just like not happy with what they have. And then they go and seek more. And then it all crumbles. I definitely feel as if this is a personal, no. No don't know. What it's like, I'm not one of those people who's not happy with what I have. I just want more. But I still appreciate what I have. You know, I'm not I wasn't referencing you at all. But I feel like are always much like American greed, and it's like you're only signed before. And you know, have wanting to be so much more than you are. Agreed. So but also you also should be ambitious. Right. That's where do we draw the line between being someone else? CNN dishes. Right. We don't okay fifth and final story. I guess people in the American great weird story. Spooky step. Multiple guests allegedly drugged at Jake pulse. House party. What YouTube star Jake Paul through massive rage. His LA mansion and the authorities are now investigating reports that partygoers had their drinks spiked. The LA county sheriff's department said at least one person filed a complaint after the twenty two year old threw a bash at his Calabasas home Saturday night for the robber designer quote. We had a person who came forward. She indicated. She was drugged at this party on Saturday. The drugging allegation came as a concern. Mom, took took to a private Facebook group Sunday night claiming under HR and a group of house had something slipped in their drinks. My daughter was was at a party in Calabasas last night for YouTube, Jake, Paul the house was mentioned filled with young people she in the moms of Kaneko Bali page. She ended up in the hospital with eight other girls with integral and ended up at west hills hospital in go here in the post, the mom claims the girls were half naked and unable to offered talk. This is a horrible story. The sheriff's office said they're aware of the peace proposing to reach out to the investigate further we called hospital, so far we have not received information from local hospitals. The young girls were drugged. That's really fucked up. Holy shit. I mean, here's I mean, do I think Jake Paul was running around putting drinks? Drugs and girls' rings. No, it just like automatically. He's going to be associated with because it's Jake Paul says he's with people who couldn't showed about his house like a bunch of girls. Like just to the party. But this is so crazy, I guess I never realized that like drugging someone just because it happens so frequently and like random bars, and like you wake up the next morning, and you never get Justice. Like, it's legal. Yeah. The police. Yes, anytime I've ever heard of anyone getting didn't realize all the next day. They don't know who didn't they couldn't originate from the same house party? You know? Yeah. So I I never really realized like it's a crime. It's a major crime. I hope Justice is served on. I mean on shady because it only happened to girls, right? But it's when these girls where if it would happen to girls, and they were all together with Snapchat and everything they might be able to trace back where it happens together. That's true. Just a huge lesson. You could never it's an expensive thing. But if you're down, you gotta know one. Yeah. Yeah. But it also could have been something in the in the punch in the punch, then it would have been more than eight people. And then also like first of all being like a party girl was never drink the punch. Yeah. It would have happened to the whole party would have just been like a group of unless it was just like punch for for girls yet. Don't drink the punch girl. Don't drink the P for Jake. Okay. That's all we have for you today. But did you watch? I watch it this morning thing. I told you it's like watching in the morning, we're suppose productive it motivates me to get out of bed because if I don't get ready I won't have enough time to watch a forty five minutes without commercials. And the that I have like if I went to Chile win remember, but I remember, okay. And it was good. It was good. It was juicy. I don't even know where to begin. But you know, what I take away the first thing I want to say is like Tom of all shut the fuck up neutral Tomonori on like really enjoying that. They're making an interesting because they are really teetering the line between James and everyone else. And if it was just everyone against teams like that would be boring from television that consumer perspective, I'm joined the fights that their ambivalence is creating but they're being so unreasonable and something weird is happening where Lisa like wants to publicly like James women that way, but she is doing everything she can't keep James a part of the show Kelly. Now a waitress that gives them another season or two. Right. I think it's the business woman in her understanding that James is good for the show. The show is good for her. If James Marquel away, a group of people all getting along. And that's not interesting. So she wants to keep them on the show for her own personal gain. Yep. Until like, really the problem. Everyone was having like changed you're saying horrible things. But then they were all being a little bit call you some beauty Queen. But like, I don't know how many languages have to explain it to that's like saying someone shouldn't call themselves a beauty Queen. It's like nowhere near the same as calling someone calling someone a hillbilly clone. Someone trash calling someone a whore. Like, it's just so stupid need just equating everyone with James because he's so not the same right? Also Calva saying like they're not making. She is a beauty Queen. She was Mr. no, more, whatever. I know you think I'm just UD Queen even Justice beauty Queen just wants the limelight like lot. And then they first attack on them saying what they think of her and they're like Queen. We don't think you're right. What do you do? Right. So it wasn't totally out of nowhere. But it was painful to get there. And then certain point. I just wanted to hear what she had to say. Yes, it was a stupid bit. I'm really here for jock. I mean Britney just like defending her man in her family, totally. Shouldn't. Ever back into a corner. Like, I won't Britney there in on my side. And then she was found shut the fuck up Tom Jackson's best man like be a friend, right and hitting to shut up or not say anything. It's like when chains was making fun of Jackson technician. By the way, there were so many jokes about duty on the reunion. It's like if that's what your level of humor has succumb to year. Not funny. Tom Sandoval was like laughing. So Tom Narayan were laughing so hard at these bad jokes about his best friend yet. It was it was really mean. It was really mean they wanted to see Jay they wanted to see James with the argument whether or not they had to contribute or not yet agreed Tomonori on really bothering me. And you know, what else was really bothering me was a conversation about Randall filming. Because when Patrick wasn't filming. I was like that's off air. It's not. But there's something about laws relationship, and she was like, my relationship is different. And I can't explain it. Like, I would not be impressed with them PJ around the world her being this new Beverly Hills. If he was like slumming it on Bravo show part of the allure of relationships that we don't know Randall like that also she she said what she was trying to say so poorly. She insulted everyone else in what she said. But I think the difference is that he is an older man with a career. He has more to lose by being on a show, whereas this show as much as they have what to lose from. They have everything to game all the guys that Sheena Briggs have everything to gain followers. And then someone like Bowe has he has he has just what to gain also because he's only there assessed. He'd he's not only. Yeah. But Randall stepping onto the show automatically opens up his life. He has ex wives. He has children, and it's just a can of worms that it's not even because he's more successful. Because he's older and he has children. And I also know it's just as a TV watcher. I love the mystery of like she's like my dating football player. Then it's this guy. He's married. He's very sports. He's separated. And it's just it's more interesting. I don't need to see how they live like that's like ruins the mystery. It's like gross. You will see their apartment, you know, yet and even glower going on this show and talking about Randall has opened them up to so much criticism fifty cent. If she wasn't able to talk about Randall on the show, he would have never got that clip that he used then so without being and being there, they're subjecting themselves to so much criticism. I think she took a major step this season. And it was kind of bummed that people didn't like have cruciate a day. They're down for all the positives of LA LA dating this Richmond. They're going to Paris on the PJ, and they're enjoying the house in binney. But no when they when when it comes time to like defend that they're fair yet. But like If Reynolds with one step onto the show like he would be annihilated could be really bad for his career. Whereas. Because there is so much contention in their relationship. They started off in like an improper way technically comes on just love him. And we wanna love him. No one's with. I didn't even know. He was in commercial passing. Like, no one's looking into him live there to support saucy. Whereas it would become about Randall because he is so interesting, actually, maybe I would like bread on the show because it would become about something other than, sir. Right. Watching them being Paris right now shopping itchy Tump. What how do you afford that a waitress salary? That's what we're supposed to believe. Right. Also, I wanna watch that Lisa Vanna pump like giving Lalla ship for not having on the show. It's like she should be the last person to one on the show because like he will eclipse her yet, completely, you know, because there like it used to be they went on a trip, and she got them an upgraded room is thank you. Lisa on him. And he gets them and upgraded playing. It's like thank you Randall. Another all just by two million dollar homes with stainless, steel appliances. Like getting ready to make their hellofresh boxes, of course, like as hellofresh. And so do wait so excited about hellofresh. Because you have a new kitchen new kitchen all of my new appliances about to hellofresh. The fuck out of this. Hello, fresh cooked meals made simple. Hellofresh mix. Conquering the kitchen a reality with deliciously simple recipes. Hellofresh does all the meal planning shopping and prepping so you can focus on a healthier you and your family get seasonal simple recipes and premeasured ingredients delivered right to your door. Every week all meals come together in thirty minutes. Max call for less than two pots, and pans, and require minimal cleanup. That's where they really got me was the clean up. I'm not one Ben goes in the kitchen to make like a souffle, and he comes out with like seventy five pounds. It's really fucking. So he eighty nine C cook for dealers off your first month. Hellofresh, go to hellofresh dot com slash toast, eighty and enter the code totes to eighty. That's hellofresh dot com slash toast, eighty and enter the code toast, eighty I feel it goes really joint. I'm so excited for my next. Hellofresh delivery because I'm making enchiladas. Oh, you are. Yeah. Moaning on waffles. I'm gonna have red beans if you don't know that movie, quote, which nobody does movie say on here is like. Because if that that everyone knows, but people don't know. Red beans its head over heels with Freddie Prinze junior and that random girl who never got Avis where she lives in a model apartment, she pretends to be model unless you junior virtually like works at the museum with all the old ladies in the basement and just go at such a it's such a great just like early two thousand it's probably like a really hard to find. I don't know. I watched it recently on the phone on either who Netflix, something digital normal more, Amazon, prime rib beans dinner. Okay. Back to from bro. Because I'm not a nice. I also wanted to talk about lodge will in hand during the reunion. She's a Queen. She's realism looked incredible. And I feel like all the time Instagram, she'll do something and like law looks crazy. And then every time she gets on TV. She looks so good. So and it's so hard to look at on TV. It's easy to get your loan. She looks better team than she does her phone in pictures, all the stuff. So I don't know. It's just like whatever she's doing. It's really it's really working for me. Yeah. But it's not really working for me is the current format of the show, and I really feel like they need to evolve next season. And it looks like they're not going to they're still trying to make that happen at sir with Racquel. And it's really fucking stupid. And I would love to have show they can still call benefit rules that has nothing. She was there. All now moving into new stages of their lives. They all have new homes are all rich like shall we spending money? I wanna see what they bought in in bucking powers at coochie each. And every one of them has got bought a house now. Yes, she bought a house in Palm Springs. Christian bought a house in Beverly Hills at Tom orient about a house in LA Britney John about a house. It's like not a fucking New York Times bestseller. How Katie how did? Yeah. It's enough. It's enough. They must have really gotten paid the season. That's why or less season. That's why they're all bought a house this time, and they bought houses, they didn't just move. And that's also why they've been living in squalor for so on one for the show in two because they've been saving money and like the. Million dollar houses so excited in here for John blizzard being fucking thir- sponsor on Twitter. Of course. Magazine did some interview with orient. They like just about the conversation. She had on the season finale where she confronted lease. And they definitely took it out of proportion. Like all right is mad at least whatever it was like fake tabloid bullshit. John John blizzard one of them put it on his Twitter. Are how dare you to all the upper -tunities is giving you just bought a two million dollar house. You could have done without Lisa and are like dude, we're friends like the vacuum doing this on Twitter. Who's asking you? Right. Oh, wow. I mean, I firmly believe that the John's are behind puppy gate. I heard a rumor though, teddy that it was teddy who sold the story and that it's going to come to light this week. If it was tending told that story goes, I would have to reevaluate everything my life, like my couch, everything would change because like that makes no fucking sense. You have to switch seats. Because this clearly makes sense. If we thought it makes sense, it makes no it's not possible apparently raider online, it's coming up with an article that's going to really clear the air. Teddy who being the one who really really article I so super in canton chant. Also, I just wanted to talk about the Lisa Vanna pump tom-tom thing because it was everything we've been saying everything except the one thing I didn't agree with them on it. I'm glad that they're finally talking about the fact that she treats him like shit. But the fact that they demanded a salary like that's not how when you invest in something yield results when the restaurant yields results, and they've been open for less than a year restaurants, a lot of time to turn a profit. I didn't agree with that at all. But on the respect thing. I really I understood. And when he was like, how are you feeling overall with partnership? I thought they were going to be like I mean, regardless of bullshit like we're excited to be bar owners. They were just like it's not what we expected, which is so weird. Because like when you just look this unionist film like a month ago. But when you look at like pictures from Tom Hummer like they're there every night like Miley, Selena Gomez. They're lady Gaga to coda fanning was just in Tom's sidecar. And so you think they're like living life Riley, and like everything just turned out like how they hoped it women's like, no, there's all this trauma going on which is so crazy and. I watched the show about that yet. I was thinking about it like more. And the thing is like these dinner pump is like at the end of the day. She gave them a bar in West Hollywood with their name on it. They had to do is pay fifty thousand dollars. And yes, they contribute a lot. And they giving her a lot by allowing her to put their names on it. But let's be real the restaurant would be nothing. If there wasn't the Tom association. Right. It would just be available. And nobody goes to be nothing because it would be another pump pump is good. But Tom, Tom is lady Myers isn't going to pump. Right. So Tom is has made it another level. But if they started to bar on their own with just their cloud. They wouldn't have been able to do that. So it really is. She's given them so much as much as given her. But they also give a fuck ton of respect. And so it's like she doesn't owed them anything. But to be decent human, treat them and a good boss, like not even equals partners. Yeah. Takes nothing though. She was being so unreasonable that she is loves, hey, jingle their hands. Yeah. And the. Reunion union was so real. And I wish the season was half Israel. You know, it's like finally were taken down the curtain. Ed. We're talking about the things that we've been saying here whereas the season was so fake and like such orchestrated bullshit with James in whatever it's this is the stuff I want to say where was this season? But I'm worried like Raquel working at, sir. Lisa telling her she got the job on the reunion like does not bode well for next. No, not at all. It's like they're still trying to make often right Than Tun happening. There is a way to make Ben or parole still where they don't work at, sir. Like, maybe they've all started some sort of business where they work like on the liquor brands. I'm the tom-tom like in a more of a way that is realistic where they're making the money that they're making, you know. Chris mccarter together. Yes. But we knew that. Because from what strap inside when she went on a little bit before this region. She was just like, honestly, I don't wanna talk about. Yeah. But they now say the whole reunion, Katie. Yeah. She so over at man, she's so over he's got her house and she wants to go home. No. And like she is like would laugh or tell James to shut up. Like, I think it's like so frustrating for her like because sometimes when you watch the show, you do take other people other than hers because like they're making a better point or like, they're just saying it in a better way. But like, I think that if we were in this situation, I think the way that she sees things. It's like a normal person. It's like up she gets fucking dragged on Twitter for being a bully. Like, it's so why would she speak up? It's like, right. No one she she had a bad season Jenner wedding. She was just like not in a good place, and she likes herself as the bully, and she can't get rid of that stench. So now anytime she speaks just buying jets. Yeah. I think she had a bad season this season two. So she's just their union. Like, there's no point in me. Speaking on James is going to be here. Like I don't want to contribute to airtime. Good. Right. Exactly. Should when she she started talking to hit forgotten chooser? Yeah. Okay. Well, Beverly Hills is on tonight. So I'm gonna watch. I don't watch last week watch New York like last week's episode halfway through this past week damage our season extremely Barbara's not carrying her weight. Oh, my time. And not at all. I guess the most interesting thing going on as Tinsley and Scott, which is so crazy because it's literally the most boring thing, I just like I need to take him to manage shoulders and shake her we need to be. There's just like she needs to sup living in the past. She is so new she is what they accused of of living in her pass nebulous in trying to be that girl again. So is just like I love her. So and I love she's so present. But then she goes back to the past because it's fucking interesting. She let a very glamorous life. I lived there. Right. And that's part of who. She is. Okay. So here's topping is that it's ten thirty and central time at ten o'clock all the central time shows went on sale. We're having a problem with as berry park and the in New Orleans. I know I'm handling it. Just like hang on and dirt. Thirty minutes. Extra twenty eight minutes the fucking begin. Okay. Everyone. Just relax. Get your family together. Order like seventy five hundred tickets. It's Olympia also just like rocks. If you're patriot number you got the code if you're not there is still time. I have a feeling some of the we'll be sold out by the time that public sale goes on. So I just everyone just become a patriot member and we're doing right up this week about the McCallum recap. 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Here's why I could never leave tags anything you know. I grew up with a Jewish mother that if there was a tag sticking out of a shirt. I mean and I'm going to school like that. She's driving to school coming into class ripping the tag off making my lunch is still in my backpack and then leaving liar. Claiming in my? mind. Oh. My God. On your hands is calm. Really. Where do where does what your mom's a name again Nancy Nancy. Not Jewish but she thinks she is WHOA. So where does the where does the do because I was about to say okay. It's 'cause I was about to say you're the most. My Dad's side of the family. We do Hanukkah it to light one side of the Minora and they just kinda chalk it up that way. Because I was going to say you're probably the most famous Jewish basketball player in Seattle right now. In. Seattle rally. Nolan A-. Mom's not, but she thinks she has a lot of oil vase. Oh my God. She's because what just from being around your dad and she'll show what adhere to the traditions and whatnot but. She must just love is she already had? Does she already like? EMBODY JEWISH MOM characteristics. It's not a bad thing. Now, it's not actually really good material. Yeah. I Know Shit now that you've got so much. Time off I guess know is the season does it have a exact start date yet or no? No, I mean it'll be. Koga pending imagine. Pulled it off. Now it's like back on track. So either way pulled it off and. I. Mean I know that's why I'm going to actually I was like, I. Know You've done. Thousand one hundred thousand interviews to. Soak it in. But Holy Shit like just took care of business i. mean it was like at the end I was like, what is it like to just know that you've won and you're just kind of hanging out for a quarter in some change, right? Yeah. Just kind of being like. I mean, it's not any less. Celebrate Tori, is it? No? No no no it doesn't would say is it's there's like a delayed hit like it doesn't because I've actually I've been in You know some games where it's been like not legit last-second but like the last minute so there's like. And then the Buzzer goes. There's like a huge like a like you're basically shouting because it's relief. This was kind of like it wasn't until maybe a week later I was like I'm shit we wouldn't it. Oh Wow I. Don't get me wrong you party. All. Met Your your your happy but there's not this like. Moment Right Oh. So. Incredible. By the way I mean I just have to say when I, it's just bonkers to me and I'm sure you have so much reflective. This. Going on like because when we first podcast did that little recording studio in Seattle downtown. You were like just a just kind of. Finished your Rehab where like maybe a month or so into being done with it. That was like February or no it was. Yeah It was it was. Called like check it was called. Yeah. It was hoodie SEATTLE hoodie weather. February or April and your gained rate Remembers Getting Ready Do these tournaments like in Stanford or something these. Yeah. Yeah, it would have been probably closer to February. So you said, Stanford November. Maybe it wasn't. Yeah. Okay. Some sort of like championship turn like the nationals. National team. Okay. That's okay. That's what you said. It was okay and. And what you would think not smoking pot in two weeks of quarantine would help my memory, but I think it's only made it worse. You Ain't a plug out there. I mean look I thought about bringing dummies and miles teller was on my flight and The actor and we we everyone passed out and we were drinking and business class and finally got kicked out 'cause we're waking people up I guess and miles stumbled into the door. Opens the plane. So she was like, Hey, guess months sitting down and we're like, all good. But He told me had some edibles and the dog was sniffing his bag hardcore he was getting so worried but I was like, I don't think they can bust you for edibles and also. I don't think it's a yeah. I thought. So that just went through my head as far as like getting in trouble for that. Under a microscope and like. Other bigger fish to fry well, you would think but the airport is so barren and empty that like I they have nothing. But time they're like Yo dogs take your time like sniff around like look for drugs look for Paninis. Go back for a second sniff. But at that time, you were getting ready for the nationals and you're like I feel good. But so how many months where you removed from actually being like Rehab is done. Imbalance November or somewhere around there it would like fresh off like one day I'm not even. Had like right into that stamp into that job for Stanford was skiing. So like right into Stanford I literally stepped out of like the P. T. Room. onto the court for rats fucking bonkers. So we how so so take me back there to the now because. I mean there's so much going through the Rehab you can control what you can control and you were on top of all of it and probably got yourself to back to sue bird status but then it's like, yeah, feeling good enough to go out there. But even I remember even you like we'll see like I hope I like maybe I'll. Still, even kind of uncertain about what your role was gonna be like maybe I'll be coming off the bench to do this. We'll see what my body will allow once I get into game rhythm, right? Yes. So that's like my perfect world was GONNA be start the national team camps. We had two of them one in November one in February Boom Bang those out, get the momentum like be peaking at the right time WB training camps starts end of April boom I'm in a season that Olympics and honestly probably a peace sign assuming everything went well might have been done I'm not saying what I'm saying that was like the mindset. So. Then injuries change your whole way of thinking. Don't they? Yeah. It just puts everything in perspective. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and so I would I would have been like thankful for that. The way I felt November November I felt like you said like, I, felt good. But I knew I'm like there was another level I need to get to I wasn't getting. Yeah also like I knew I needed to get there and then there's also like that voice like, but are you gonna like but will go man the self haters not yet it was just like my knees I'm forty now and my knees probably like one, hundred, forty it's just it's reality. So. Yeah. The short of it won't pick these are like two, hundred, ten. I've jammed my take from basketball. So many times it's not legal. To where I'm going to have to get my fiancee's like, can you get new pinkies? This is not helping before I go to bed. One is that we're not somebody will have that weird finger is it's not Lord of the rings like it's the. I mean it's just. The curve. Man Yeah it sucks. Think that it's a it's a good luck charm. But so okay. So one hundred, forty year old is what you feel like you're just. So you can do all the things that you're supposed to do to get yourself ready. But what is the need more than other body parts? Can you sustain like a season? Can you sustain game after getting like playing every other day for five games? You know can you sustain that and go through a whole season? That's really that's what you like wandering and you can't. You won't know until you're in it. So like I was planning like I said to peak and then obviously. All COGAN hits changes everything. Go to Bob All. Great, we could play and then finally in training camp a week and a half rows like, oh, I can do this show. Yeah. Yeah. Was it a moment or a? Search. Move like did you do as a patented like super shop like a you're like Oh, Shit I felt. Hurt but in a good way, like I heard the only hurt I felt was for the defender that had to be on the receiving end of that. I wish Linda move. There's probably more dislike I woke up the next day and could walk but. Also huge though yes. Also ABS. Yes and that was kind of literally like wasn't till the starks I was kind of like building up into it. I was like odds it feel it's okay. Then I was like, Oh and the first couple games I was like, oh good and then I mean, could just I ended up like my knee ended up like I said what happened but essentially, I had a bone bruise which is like your bones bang. Like on the inside and out Super Hot. Sorry I joke a joke I have to do it. I keep going. So? Yeah. It was like my point is even with that bone reserve really annoying. They're on their own time table and even with that, I was like in and out of the lineup. But then finally at the end I was still like able to do it and just like played a high level. So I feel really good about this off season heading into next year. So, there is definite year come back. That's like. I mean yeah. It's like something know something happens to me is. Yeah I think that's fine. I just don't have any. off-season have you ever heard about? It's like some of these major league baseball players that were playing like Nintendo we tennis and they like to get Tommy John Surgery I mean. Just remember who it was. Yeah. There was one guy that did that because that made me. Like really question but also like. But that's the fun of the weeds to like get so into it with that thing but like. What a Bummer I was like, oh, man this is going to hurt the we sales because. Then like I forget who told me this a couple years ago it might have been my dad he watches baseball I don't really watch it and you're like, Oh yeah, don't worry pictures come back better. What? They come back Becker yeah I mean. Seriously Out ACL on the elbow I was like you terrorists in basketball it's like who that could be. That baseball there like they must be excited. Shit maybe better. Yeah Right. I mean you were talking about this on all the smoke. How much better just like. The surgery and just all the medical upgrades have gotten is it kind of in the same boat too where it's like you almost WANNA. Screw up so you can get a better disc or a better. Yeah. Yeah I mean I don't know about that but. Your timing. I mean definitely not not to get injured if that's for you to set me up for Adam but. Maybe a Pitcher, I'm give that. Picture. But like. Comeback Better is it is it like the way? Brianna came back. What's your? What's your nickname? What are you guys call again story yeah. Love. That is was that I mean again, it's like that to me wasn't not even a year that she did it and came back. Yeah it was a little over a year. I mean that's crazy. And then to just play at the seemingly same level if not better I mean, yeah. Right. She can get better. That's the that's the scary part but she was on I. Mean it was she was like could see nothing else but like proving everyone wrong winning the champion, it was seriously tunnel vision not unlike some creepy way she's like we still fun to hang out with. Really. Focused, it was like this is my year redemption. The comeback stronger than the set or whatever. That is. Yeah. Yeah. The The setback something. Yeah. Yeah it. What if you was just so blinders on basketball that you guys would bring up anything like she's Kim Kardashian. Private island picks. She's like if we're not talking hoops, guys shut the fuck up. Immediately entering this? Yeah. Okay so the bubble I mean, it seems like. Say it again when you WANNA now? I mean, what do you want to tell me I mean look I'm in my own version of a bubble right now in this hotel in Australia that is. But you know. Not even close to what your bubble is. Can I get overeats? Yeah. Does a Kobe, Guy has matt come in and is it my first and only real sense of human connection? Did I ask them to ground have some beers with me? I don't know maybe I don't know we're talking about did he respectfully declined? Yes. Because he's a professional but trying to come up with things to do. It's like you I don't know how much of the day was hoops when I got there, and then how much the day was hang time. Can you least give me that balance? I. So it was only like Australian. Hotel life for the first three days. That was it. Because we got tested every day for three days before we got to the bubbles like at home, you'd have to do like saliva one yup. Boom you travel, and then it was just another three days of light like you said like the only time we left our room was to go to the testing place to get tested right back to your room and they delivered your. While yeah, and then after that, it was kind of lie. I would say the first couple of weeks were people were they were like, okay. If you'RE GONNA know hanging out and other people's apartments. Only, hang out with your team for now if you're gonNA, eat with other people eat outside we were in. Florida? So that was like Ns while down there. Hey guys, comedian Adam right here. Hope you're enjoying this episode of the about last night podcast boy I gotTA. Tell you. I've been feeling good lately and the reason why Koi CBD that's right back in the game feel my best self look question we did the best humidity company in the business. I don't care what you hear from other people are the comics Coursey. D. C. got so much BVD CD inside me. 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So start using it for you to I can't recommend these guys enough their homeys and all this Shit Works Jackson said twenty percents off can. Use the Promo. Code about last night. After night about last night. Jomo guns again. Some. Episode. which you weren't in the hotels. In apartments. So there's always apartments on the DISNEYWORLD. Oh, we were. So we weren't at Disney. I thought everybody was there now just the guys. Oh Wow. So We were at IMG Academy. Ever heard of snow. have. Maybe I have keep going. You might not like it started out as like this like tennis academy like famously like. Went there I've heard of it. Yeah. Like reassure you read his book. You've definitely heard of it. It was called the Bulletin Academy that Oh Yeah Yup. Do now though it Out All sorts like name it it's got everything and it's kind of just like a boarding school for Sports. Wow. It's basically a college campus for sports and on that campus they have these like have like these villas and a hotel. So we stayed a combination of the Village Hotel Gotcha Yeah. So that's what we were like. Like I said, I ain't courage. But then as time went I mean you had to wear masks when you were inside. But as time went like it was, it was just very it was on point but there was a lot of freedom in it to like there was a pool which was like. hilarious because everybody's hanging out the pool all the time now is it only your team or was it like? An rematch. So how cool is that? That's never ever been a thing to where there's a potential where you I mean it's true summer camp I know you did basketball basketball camps so and that that's a coup that was so fun to me because you know you have to make buds with other teams and players. I feel like girls are better than dudes because due to see a guy be like. Yeah. So you've talking across the game earlier today like don't think you're gonNA, cut me Salisbury steak but personal experience. But you guys having people around you that you wouldn't during the season be able to. Let your guard down also a little bit because of just the environment, right? Yeah. So That could go both ways. Yes. So like sometimes it was cool like like I said, we will be at the pool everybody be down there like it was literally like I don't even know like spring break in real world like had a baby. That's amazing and there are other times where you're like, oh, I don't WanNa go down there Chris this other teams down or it's just like I don't want to see all these people the referees were in our hotel and they're actually cool there referee's they're just like us like who knew they really are really wasn't like seeing your teacher like fifth grade teacher at the House Oh Lordy. But they were at the pool coaches at the pool everybody. was, it lacks or like if you saw team like you wouldn't go to the pool during the finals right and see the aces there. Interestingly enough Long Story. Short basically my team was in the hotel and their whole team give or take a few were in the villa's so they didn't really kick it at the pool like that. So we still have we still had pool time during the final, but there really wasn't a lot of time. We played every other day. Yeah. Okay. So first of all, just even once it got worked out where you so because there was a little time where. I mean every sport I think went through this where it was like man, there's a lot to figure out, but it also gave me a lot of respect for. Just the the people at the helm to figure it out because all-sports got figured out. I don't even know. I love that everyone was at least. On board to be like all right, it's going to happen how we doing it and I think the NBA definitely led the charge with that. Don't you think as far as getting. You. Guys were kind of synonymous with that I think basketball general was like all right. The bubble thing is once they figured out the bubble then it was. Did you. I guess what I'm asking is at what point did you know fuck out? We're GONNA play and how much time did you have prior to that of like man I might not even I came back and I might not even get a season. So once I thought that. Until up until conversation started and once they kind of so on among like the executive. Committee for the Union, guys like us yet. So we're like in the end if you will for conversations. So one like our commissioner Cathy Engelbert like once she had a phone call zoom call and like all these people were on it and they were kind of saying, okay. This is what we would like to do and it was the bubble, the testing and how would do They didn't even have an location pick to be honest at that point but once I kind of understood that where they were going with this, I was like Os happy. The only way it was not going to happen was like. A money issue or something like that. But like from a standpoint, it made all the sense to me I. Really. So I was never nervous about I'm not trying to say like I was never nervous about the Kobe art I was like okay. So we're just go somewhere we can't leave come in yeah and you're going to test us to get in. So, there actually were. Supposed to say this, there actually were a couple of positive tests once we got there. So basically had a crier and broadens your they were. Quarantined it was never an issue they quarantine the got over it came back and that was it. There was some false positives but that those were just like scary for a second and not. The testing was on point and that seems like A. And that has to be. I mean if that's if that's on point and you get the rapid results back like I think you guys have when I went to Chapelle summer camp, they had the fifteen minute. In the nose and then the they have a little box and you get back is that that's where you guys. They said that's what the what athletes in the White House have. No I don't know what they have. No. What we had was like the full PR and they go. The brain one ours was like up the nose on this side, but only halfway up the nose inside, and then another swab in the throat in the. Combination because every day to go up your to your brain would be alive. So. That those took like twelve hours to come back. Oh. Yeah. The only time you got a rafter. was in a scenario where like I said. So when you get when you test I, don't even know how many people we had their three, hundred, four, hundred people every day there's going to be false positives. Just, a false positive. In that case than that a rapid, they get back I forget how long they get back not fifteen minutes, but like ca lowers and then you move on because probably native. Did you. Is it weird and again stopped me of any question feels repeated but I feel like I'm GonNa ask it in a way that is not sports analyst reporter way. I guarantee you nobody made a knees banging that sounds how joke so I think we're in a good. Territory Okay The. No fans are you so pumped because? As it's so funny I even as A. Just. Say former. I still play basketball does that me a former player if no? Blind to be as an athlete. When I watch you can't help as a fan and if you've played it put yourself in that situation. I'm like, I bet I would be so pumped to even be playing that everything else that is not Consistent with real life would not really matter. So I think you'd be bombed the no fans for a second, but they go fuck. You just try to find that silver lining ago we're getting to play so deal with it but that's easier. Said than done because you go your whole life with people around you and now it's just not right. So the weirdest part. Hundred percent about the no fancying was when you ran out onto the court. So usually like you're in the locker room or maybe you've come out early, got shots warm up going locker in the coach talks. This is classic pre-game. Yeah. Kind of. Maneuvering. Then at some point, the whole team like runs out, you do your layups. So usually on the run out, even you're away like even when it's not your home court on the run out you, there's people like they'll give you this at home. It's like but there's something this was like you ran out and it was just. Nothing and it was that was the most bizarre part, and then as the season went that even became normal. One thing I'll say is this you didn't miss the fans once the game gets going you don't you don't notice what's around you anyway but you makes you wonder makes you realize how much the fans impact games because there was no like emotional swings. So like I always say like. When you're home and you're new and you're like a good three point shooter and the Games go in and you can hear the momentum and also you get a wide open three you can hear the fans go. Like getting ready to erupt and it, you feel it and so like there's an emotional like like thing that happens where it puts a little more pressure on you you're like okay. By this place is going up and if you hit it in the same token probably gives you more mode ago man I'm fucking I'm I'm I wanNA hit another one? It's like gambling right? Yes. Yes. So that is just gone and the same thing. Now, if you're on the road this for sure every basketball player, this has happened to you're on the road maybe it's a playoff game high emotion, right? Like it's back and forth all of a sudden Bego on Iran and your team has to call time out in your life. Because the place is going absolutely insane and then you get to the bench and you look at the score and you're like Oh, we're only down five. It feels like you're down twenty-five because it just was bananas. So it's like that didn't exist either. So like anytime something happened that wasn't there and it's like you don't miss it but I think looking like because it's just you don't. You're not thinking about it. You're not. You're not thinking that I wasn't but looking back on it I'm like, Oh, yeah like we played Vegas Okay and they were the number one seat and we were. And so the first two games would have been on their home court and if you look at final scores. And Really, watch the game like we had. We were in control for both games like pretty much the whole game but there was moments in the third quarter where they would like take the lead you know or or they had the lead like it was always close in the third quarter and I fully believe like we were playing really well. But if those games are in Vegas and their fans are going ape shit like who knows. Yeah. It's that it's an outside element of just which is why I mean yeah. I don't know what you call that just the swings of the game that can dictate when you feel. In any sport when the if you get into a little bit of a whole and the fans are going nuts and it makes every move even more pressurized with like and you you probably feel that as a player right with I mean are you even like? I mean, you see what teams that tense up offensively right because you're like, fuck I don't want to make a wrong pass here. That could get stolen because they'll go even crazier and then we're going to be even more like, fuck? Yes. Why players like you? I'm so amazed by because you just seem like you're so just zen all the time in pressure. Well you seem to you're you're faking it well was there was there time during the? Playoffs. I mean, do you guys come? Do you think the bubble made you guys tighter like did you feel an extra level of camaraderie or do you just because this group Spin together now for? A minute, right? Yeah. Yeah like the core I guess. We've been. So there's there's probably like four five six of us that have been together now like or. Atoms if you will. Tell the story yet still their third year. Yeah. So Yeah but the thing about our team is. Just I, mean the latest group of people ever asked yourself. Yeah, each individual's pretty chill. As group like I said, we're chill. It's just not a lot of drama. We don't get caught up in it. You know like I'm sure there were times where people had their moments where they were maybe like homesick or Kinda struggling because the thing was not the bubble the hardest part you couldn't get away from it like you're just in it. So. You couldn't get away from basketball. You can get away from everybody around you. You'd know where to go to like escape some sure. There's moments but our team was destruct stuff off. So we've always been a tight. Tight team something made us any tighter. We were just unfazed by all the bullshit happening around us. So from that I think other it might have affected other teams more. Did. You Get Any people on the are you is everyone friends with. Everybody like the same or it's like any team right? You've got people you're closer with and kick it with then. Yeah. Were there any players that you felt you like Oh, man I talked to so and so more through this or I learned more about this person because we were just around each other more or I saw that somebody was affected by like what you just mentioned the the bubble stressed the bubble. So I went out of my way to reach out to the more which I maybe wouldn't have done if we were. Enormous season yeah. Not so much that like more like. Like I said, the pool was happened and we have one teammate crystalline. Crystal Egg Lang Lang was like the queen of the pool she'd be in that Pool I swear I would look out because I was in the hotel that's where the pool was I like look out the window by the elevator and I think all lines in the pool let's call it like one o'clock. Let's go down there. So Megan with me so I was very lucky Altan. Yeah the whole time. That's huge. I zero. I can't complain at all like I can't go. I'm not allowed to complain about the bubble because I'm one of the few people that had someone with them I mean for sure there's also though I mean and you can attest to this just being in a relationship hey, they're still I mean being with somebody all and thank God you had something to always go do I would love to hear but like you still have those relationships bubble like can you just not? I got a game tonight or whatever it is the same bubble. Yeah. Go ahead and. NAPTIME I'm. So I I do not on game days. It's kind of like a norm for athletes but I I try to get myself two hours. If I get thirty minutes I'm thrilled totally Nagy naptime is from. Six so I don't know what you have to few. Nights where they she she was in there kicking it. I would love to hear her bubble experience a separate pot. which just out I, mean. Doing is, money. So, there were days where like so let's say I have a game the next day. So for me, it's like I just WanNa, eat dinner, chill. Asked. Essentially, go to bed whatever and she'd be like. I'm going to see Holly Rowe was in the Bible ago on. ESPN should you know I'm just going to go see what? Holly doing. I'll be back later A. Nights where she just go like grab wine with holly or there was some other people like like staff members of other teams she became friendly with and would just like kick it with them and I was like cool. Yeah. Probably almost welcome that because you like just let me like get into but now here's the thing where it's like Binge Watch the show that I'm supposed to be wait. Let me get a separate netflix account so I can make it seem like I didn't move past. So when WANNA pulls up and says Sir. I know because there's times with my girl where you know if if. I've got when things were. Normal, an. Audition early and I maybe only did one show instead of three show. So I was home at like nine, but she was out for a friend's birthday or something, and then I'd be for once in a blue moon be like I'm going to try to go to bed by eleven and hopefully at least pass out by midnight. So I can get up at seven and I know that it's GonNa, take me a minute but I'm gonNA. This is what I'm trying for. And then she has to now br balance this line of okay. Well, I'm going out birthday party with my friends. I haven't seen in four years. Every thing she said at another element of like Oh like there's going to be no shortage of boos when your. Best friend's birthday haven't seen him in four years. They just went through a break up. I mean it was the tri factor of year not GonNa Sleep and and so. I mean, did you like would make an sleep on the couch or if she wanted to? She was responsible. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Good I. Mean like not much going on. They were like in the hotel bar like yeah. Yeah. Well, let's not knock a hotel bar. A lot of damage can happen. We on for shutdown mode I remember I sent you a text wants and I felt like immediately like my mom sent me a text. I. Think it was even and then I realized it was during a game I think or on the way to game I was so mad at myself because like my mom will send me text sometimes when I'm on stage or write about to go literally walking on. Exactly. I mean and so I'm just like. You know and obviously you're you're running out the court with your phone it'd be great if there's a shoddy being like. Before we run out all of us are in their late. Last. Look. What's what are the last looks just id just maims whatever yeah. Without. Without my other question is like how shutdown do you? Are you asked to be do you make yourself be? Are you trying to just be like you said St Louis is just Time or you like he was GonNa kill me for that. She's actually not all the time. Right but he's really I know I know but I mean like, but but just do is it encouraged to. During, playoff time to just not be. Distracted, but also it's like, Hey, man, there's a lot of downtime I need to see if there's any new salsa recipes. So no nobody sent like there's no like team. Okay. It's the only thing I would say that's frowned upon is like don't check your phone at halftime that's kind of. Like I might not want to do that but otherwise, it's free game for me personally I don't really limit myself. Until the play offs and then I'm like, what happens is you know I follow a ton of like women's basketball things and was in the playoffs is naturally like they're just covering the game and so it might be like obviously played the it might be like Oh Asia Wilson's doing this. Oh, Angel Makuuchi that I would rather not see anything. Even. If it's like positive for US I don't WanNa see positive net I don't WanNa see any of it. So the playoffs like I will still go on social media, but I'll try to make it like once or twice a day which is for me low. Yeah. And I won't I won't do it like in arena I'll just. I'll look at since you mentioned saucer recipes. Looking at Seattle real estate that's like my I like. A love, it can get lost in it oh. Yeah. Well, what what are your sites that you're peruse all of them I have a whole older where it's give me a few because I'm. I do that a lot for shoreline lake forest park why grew up and then in? Arizona where My fiance's from I. Also, just love Arizona and I you know I was talking to recruit the mayor's broadcaster her when I was down there a couple of years ago and about like where they were staying and I was like God I was like. I think they all had an NBA about like eight of them like the staff and I was like. Man Like to get a place there and pay for it during spring training and also it's five hours from La. It's awesome. It's like. Another fans there was that. Where you're headed, I, know not to live I just want I just saying I want like could have a property there. Like a getaway? Yes. Yes. Oh yes he yes. Nice weather. In the summer like place Sarah, like her it's amazing their oh I bet it's dope. Yeah. Like to have a pool and like. I mean I look at some places I looked at a place in Peoria for like four hundred grand. It was like four bedroom forbath and it was like I, mean, the backyard was massive and I was like, what am I doing but But also I. You know there's so many reasons not to when you're like my mom's like why the fuck would you get a place in Seattle when you say at our place all the time? I'm like. And their places very homey which by the way she's extended yet another invite to you if you ever want to come over the amount of sue is her middle name which she also didn't forget to mention. So she's like Oh. Yeah. If there wasn't a reason that she was going to accept that might put it over the top check. My name is ill. taught nutritional. Weight. So you're you're. You're looking 'cause obviously it's fun but. You trying to. is at a down the line I just wanted to. I Love I live. Yeah. That's fine. Every now, and then there might be a pipe dream. ooh places that same all right so is. Do. Are there things that you? You said like you don't like to read also anything about Like not any. Regular season I don't care. I'll read everything like during the playoffs it's easy to. Keep it simple. You know not have all like. Fluff around you. Yeah. Yeah. Do you Miss Basketball Right now. What does that come down like? Yeah it was. It was weird this time just because. So usually you win and like my experience you win. You come home back Seattle. There's like a huge greeting at the airport. You know like when when they celebrate you at the airport, they basically take the fire hoses and spray the plane and like all this stuff was pretty. Yeah or maybe it was our bus I can't remember. But yeah, there's there's like all this commotion. Then you have a parade in the city gets to celebrate you and. Cool. Like a week. Because a lot of people go overseas. So everybody's kind of just in Seattle for anywhere from literally one day to like like I said like a week and with our chance, we go out every night and everywhere we go. You're like a Rockstar, every every club hogs. Foster all the stuff and you're just like a rockstar per week. It's a lot of fun. It's like a Lotta Fun and she didn't have any of it. You had we had our what night we had one night the night we won, which was awesome. Wait a great time and then everybody went home the next day. And then now we're like I mean you're not in quarantine, but you're in version of it. You know like nobody's going to a club or doing whatever. So everyone's just like some some of the. Team mates are already overseas. Traveling now playing Asari Plan Oh shit yeah. No bubble and they're all over there doing it. for just what just for more game pay? Pair where we make our money it is yeah, nothing we're like a lot. That is that ever going to be. Something you toy with her or not. Done it. Oh that's right. We talked about this went to like in. Russia, did you say even Israel? So the Olympics. Really Password okay. That's right. I had to go to Israel to do that but I only. Played in Russia. Okay. Yeah. That's like that's my thirties. Thirties. That's so. I mean first of all that that. There's gotta be a way to still have that when things do open up to where you can maybe maybe the city can make like storm week, and then you guys just to make it known that like you guys are GonNa be out and about and so that people even. But also you guys. You're such a big part of the city that I feel like, yeah. It won't be the same as the week of, but you're out and about I mean you still get those? Hayes and accolades, but not the same as like walking into a pack on Saturday night like the week. Cheering for us we always a shout out. Like in clubs these days meanwhile, I'm not really like a club Goer I'm saying it like it's my go-to. Like dinner lasting five hours. That's you know I got an MD so. You know like the the women come out with the the. sparkler thing. The bottle last year or two years ago we had his face on her head on a stick at. This is. Yeah Yeah. Yeah those things are I mean? Yeah. That's always fun to be a part of, but you love that long dinner just Gab and drink until really it's time to kick me out man I, love that too. That's. The. Best. So The one. The one thing that I did post championship was Megan because it was my birthday coming up right. Meghan. got like eight seven of our friends. There's nine of us. Set up everything totally surprised me and it was like this huge trip because there's three of us like to other my really close friends from childhood were alternative. Forty says basis like forty birthday bash we went to Antiga, which was amazing. I know beyond. Amazing. So. Yeah and so we're the ones. So they have like twenty cases. So it's like you get. But it's super safe. We went to this one outdoor restaurant. It was my first time going to a restaurant. Did you cry. No but I was like Oh. My God I love when people serve me I sound like an asshole no no, it's the whole. Yeah. The dining is bridging was yeah. I. Know We're there and also done we got our reservation was at five it was ten thirty and they were like There's an island curfew at eleven you guys need to leave. We were like, okay. Hurry shut down the island. But they were like on the taxi drivers. GonNa get in trouble it's like he's not home by eleven. Services are. That's so fucking getting. Why curfew eleven pm go home? That's probably why they have I. Mean I see both sides of that. But also in the moment if you're if you made it to ten thirty, there's no chance you weren't going another two hours. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. You know when I did. I remember that's why I mean I'm the exact same way when I went took my family after was opening for Dane at the paramount and we went to Ruth Chris after which is right across the street. I remember there was a chance you. We're GONNA come over and you're like how late you go in and as soon as you asked me, that's before I even knew you were like a long dinner I was like Oh hell yeah I was like there's a chance running told a few people I was like there's a chance comment. In they're like, why are we going to be here I was like I'm not leaving until Ruth Chris and same shit they kicked us out and there was like twelve of us and we had a big table in the back and I kept ordering drinks. So the guy was like I gotcha and also one of his servers had gone to the show and then came over because they got busy. So I think that helped where it was because otherwise, there would be like dude, fuck you. But if you're buying shit, they're like, let's keep going. And especially. When you got cool people around I think that upset it's like good environment like you said, you were outside was on the beach. Now. But it was like Overlook the beach it was raised. Wa it was. recommended. 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It just does not like I did ninety minutes on Xtra on this on the Peleton. Oh Yeah. Do they brought up this little like half ass exercise bike for me which is great. So I can get some because by the way I have this little patio right here to get some fresh air. But I was like. I know I'm not going to do yoga finally, which I've been telling myself I need to do for the last thirty years but I was like I need some uptick we're. GOING TO BE JUMPING JACKS. Like I'm in. The it's all bike and they've actually gave me shoes that Hook into the pedals which I didn't even know was I've never done the extra bike I'm a stair stepper guy. You've seen my calves on only fans. So but this thing is and you said your Peleton Gallia. Just got one. It's won't. It will not going to be delivered till January. Because my girls a big biker but the weather's GonNa Change January. And so I was like, Oh, I think we should get one for indoors and she can have the two right on and But the seats are the seats better pets I. They. All Suck. Therapy. TIMES WHEN I have not stopping vibrating and I'm like what is happening does this mean I can't have kids your your thighs and other these just need to get in bike shape. And once they do it, he'll be back. Oh okay. So that's a universal thing. It always hurts I. Like how many times do it Yeah. Okay. So it's OK adjusted to it. Yeah. Okay. I don't know. I. Don't timing yeah you. Can get like a cushion. They let like shines the I'm GonNa Invest in all the by cushions. Those bike pants. What's our? Yeah I don't have them. I'm sure they work wondering. Oh so it's almost like almost like the pads like for football player that you would put in like certain parts of it. It's like a little support thing. Yeah. That's in the subsidy because I I would like push I. Would you know I'm sitting on the bike and then every twelve seconds I'm just like sitting up just to not. Lose feeling in my lower lower half. Are you going to go back to? Okay. So training wise is that going to? Do you. Can give yourself a little bit of a break or who decides this. Her name. Susan. She's my strength coach. She essentially runs my life I don't mind at all. Yeah. I. Want. So I I basically had that whole vacation didn't do anything even leading up to it didn't do much and the now I'm kind of like slowly getting back in not like for me w is not for a while so. I'm. GonNa try to like get myself in great shape by February just in case like it's Olympic year. So maybe there's something. I'm just kind of on like a slow steady climb. I'm not like doing that Damian Lillard treadmill that looks awful. Yeah. That was bonkers on Alex. I was like, ooh, that will. I mean. What I think is is determined as I've ever seen anyone to try to get Portland to the finals. Elana. He so I also just loved that he's. I mean, I would be willing to put money on that. He's never leaving. PORTLAND. Yet because I think he's he owns that city and. They're always in contention, but it's like they do need like. I. Mean GotTa. I mean, come on right there's I thought Kevin Love at one point but I think it makes sense. In whatever they do they're gonNA have to Kinda, like lose more than they want. To to get someone yeah. Unless unless a free agent wants to come and I don't know I mean, let's a salary cap is like what's that one name since love names where it's like Zach Galifianakis unlike all this stuff's going around him he's like shooting. So I don't know like how much money they have for. But if a free agent comes, maybe they could keep people are just get rid of only like one or two by yeah. My my mom to go back to where posted that thing that was going around of Lebron side-by-side. Did you see that was like which was cool for a lot of the accolades it was like seasons championships. The money? Yeah. People I mean and it is. Back on me. So first of all actually and I say this. Like. Totally Real I don't think we should get the same money as NBA players, but I think people think we think that when we say things like want equality but we're just like, can I get the same coverage in the corporate sponsor looks and things like that. We can build the business and it's really good like the is then we can get that money. Name has just made my comments like on another level Viewership you then money? Can you. Still. Got On rigs anymore I didn't. Even, know. I love that voice by the way that that's exactly the person who Is there. Boy I'm like, oh I know you mentioned that Kyrie. Really done like some cool shit with you in for you like in the shoe game. Yeah. Is that really where it's? That's dope. Has that really because what are the things? I mean. You know outside of that that you especially someone of your magnitude in at your level can be. Trying to. Take advantage of. Like Kyri since you brought up that example what makes? What makes he's done with me. So so specialists because there hasn't been a lot of signature shoes for women. You know like for whatever reason it started out where there was like the show spooks had shoe. Even like Lisa Leslie had I want to say I don't know if it was a signature share but she had like. Her name was connected to a show same with dawn Staley Schmeichel hold Scott one point. Diana Tarizi had shoe but I'm literally we're talking from nineteen like ninety eight to two, thousand six, and then that was it just hasn't happened since. So for cadre to have like this keeps you fresh thing that he's got going and basically it hooks me up with everything that comes out which is nice and then they'll do some like special P es that are like only I have or this year they actually did we did like karate kid theme. because. That's like one of my. Okay. So it's like I love the movie I will cause a little bit Elizabeth shoes in it. And he? Was the show really. Your Adventures in babysitting when I saw that Shit when I was that might have been the first time I was like. Oh I'm only nine but I think I want her to massage me and I don't know why. I thought the same thing. And I really didn't know that. Yes but there's this like you know like getting Miaki like how you know he basically tricks you just you're doing his and that's basically like what my life has become like. I basically like Susan WanNa just mention I'll do all these exercises in. It's like alarmed with twist and you're like why the fuck am I doing this and then you get on the court and you're like Oh shit I'm really good at this move 'cause I can like stabilize and whatever. So I, always she's neon being me and then even with my team. You know like maybe we're talking about something I'm like just got me. So I'm like obsessed with this like the idea of. Nike did. Opposite some pictures like you know like the headband who wears yes one pair. Like it's it's that kind of. Got, all the elements from the headband holy should yeah. The other shoe, which is like even dober- it's basically you know the Yellow Car yes. Yeah. So it's all yellow and has like some. I guess like light, Brown tint to it on the bottom because it had that like accent to it they're both yellow, but it's wax on. So one of them shiny and wax off one of them's like that's on real and those are like one of once only. A really that's now. I gotTa make those available wait so. These are only only women's shoes because I was I saw nine. All right. So there Kyri shoe like right his Harry six God. He'll do like they call it a PE arsenal. Like Gotcha. That's Dope I got when I opened the box I was a I the headband one I was like, what is this and then I? saw. The Wax Moth I was like. So cool. This one's not shiny. It was. Yeah. So What about would you do? You ever see like you know the way? I mean you know Lebron Jordan K. D. even Kyri with. Was it. was his uncle drill. I mean you you know. Getting to know like you have a really great sense of humor and you're a great what I think you. You clearly are silly and like we could put you in something whether I mean to put you in a prosthetic thing will be fucking amazing. but I, feel like you are so. You. Wouldn't have actor concerns. So I feel like the way a kid is onset and just kind of like listens and reacts because they maybe haven't done it a lot yet. I feel like that's how it would be for you. So I feel like that needs to happen sooner or later and. No not even I mean look you could get for to just like wet the whistle, but I is that something that you think about acting. Like being on a show or Like doing a show of some sort. Yeah. The like not not scripted. And just probably like with A. Sports. Yes man but I guess all you do this thing with my boy James Davis for Nike I can't remember what it was. Yes. Yeah. We really were like, all right. Do a funny infomercial. So basically, it was like how athletes eat. Like you're cute idea. The athlete picks the recipe and we go we teach him how to do it kind of like asking. What was grown up in New York you know asking questions but then at the end, like all right do an infomercial like. Old school infamous. What is on your leave? came out of either of our mouths. It was great. Yeah. I'm sure you would take the opportunity to be a judge on like a chopped or something like that. No problem right? I already know the answer too much salt or put on more. So yeah, it's it's always the salt is right. I feel bad. I'm like Oh. My God, it's always thought get someone. Yeah. Yeah I WANNA go on. I. Mean I also feel like family family feud would be a fun. WanNa go on. Would your family be good for that? Now. We went. We'll be smart. and. More on the mellow. Yeah. I'd be the other one. Yeah I. Yeah. Because the families do need back Nancy is the wild one I love that so Maybe there's a show in that. Maybe there's a nancy ensue a travel show. Today I actually saw my sister's birthday and she was like. What am I, going to get my soup commercial. That's amazing. Campbell's your whole life. I could do a Campbell's you know how they have the Campbell's I. With all the MOMS. Great idea. I mean. Look at, she's not wrong. For many reasons. Because it is I've only ever seen it for football. Football. So. What Campbell is like. Do the campbells crossover like literally have somebody with a can of soup dribbling it and just like go like that and it's I mean, look at your own vintage, maybe they come up with a new soup. Everybody likes soup. Have you ever seen the movie a love affair. I know what it is but no, who's in. Warren Beatty like one, hundred, five years ago Whoa. Warm Bake. Anyway throw all of your listeners which I doubt any of them have watched. Of Shanghai knights crowd Campbell soup commercial she's filming. and. You'RE GONNA have. Good, in your head for. Honestly twenty five years. I. It's one of the greatest jingles of all time. Real Quick Campbell Soup Story to actually was in a one of those like Korean Day Spas in San Francisco and my buddy sandy where they're doing shows and we went to the SPA and we're sitting in the sauna and this guy sitting there we got towels on this guy's buck naked do what you want and he's sitting there and he goes just leans back and he goes. He's Good and I go campbell soup. Now, I didn't need to say anything. There, was no. There's nothing about the son of this says. Hey. Yeah make a friend or talk like that should be kind of silent experience unless you can't like sanding I would know under our say stuff whatever. But that's just because we're just always in the big boat right and so and so. and. So this guy goes. Go Campbell Soup, and then he just goes what and I go. So, now, I'm like all right I. Guess we're in this and I go. The jingle for the soup and he goes. What I go. Good is the Campbell. Soup Jingle he goes. He goes that's just what I say and I go. Okay you're stealing the Campbell's soup jingle and so now we're in this like you're fighting about the origins of the Campbell Soup Jingle in Asana while this guy is just fully exposed and I was like, all right there's probably a better time to really get into this. Second one when we were filming the Heat Melissa McCarthy. Michael McDonald. Are you do? Yeah. Oh. Man. A comedy for real. Yeah. I have a couple downloaded IPAD like in case emergency I can't my fine I need something. Yes. It a good. Like. The story is good enough and it's also just one of those movies where it's like every seen as a lot of jokes and it's just kind of bathroom at the club or. Really can't. Laughing I literacy can't. Oh we got to what? We're all watching that because I was in the middle of my whole intro scene. Watching on the Monitor, and just they improvised so much shit I mean when she was like, what is improvising what's not if you? Owe Men. My thing about the lions being behind me was provides when I said Melissa looks like a Ninja Turtle. When. I When I Not to interview but I'm not commit. Like. Everybody just knows whatever comes out of anyone's mouth just go it. Yeah. I mean it's it's also totally I think and this is a credit to Paul feed the director. Brides as right before that and he just. So many the office and parks and he's just you know. He gets that if I have people that can. Improvise I WANNA have WanNa, let let people have other weapons at their disposal and obviously the script was was great but he's like look I have all these people that can do this. So I mean when I was in the booth. And she's trying to bug my phone they they gave me one shot where he was just like I'm GonNa. Let you go and this like one in the morning where he's like just you're just being Dushi club owner trying to impress her while she's trying to bug your phone. He gave me like they're thinking like you know all right two to five minutes I went on for like fifteen minutes because this is also my first movie and I'm like this might be the only thing I, ever do so I am going to soak up. So I, just didn't stop and even standard at one point like you know after they called the cut she was just like you just to is this movie just going to be now like what's going? Are we going to be in this? And because I was just like you know my over trying to get seal. Yeah. My Buddy Smash I was just rattling off all this shit. But Melissa, when they were in the bathroom. was that. Oh. Yeah. They used a little bit. Yeah. They use one thing where I said. All these girls are always coming in here. So thirsty don't feed him after midnight. They'll. They're like gremlins turned more slots or something just something really awful and then. And but Melissa when they were in the bathroom I mean they were. I think which she said what was improvised that dying is when she goes. She's like, why is it so hot when she was like pulling out her spanks and then he's like Sanders, like the supposed to keep everything like together and then she goes what's going to come fucking popping out. Dude we lost it i. mean that was like. The line actually very recently we started doing this where it's like. Sanders character asser like well, why don't you have to dress like this? Yeah. Exactly says, yeah, like I'm out. I'm all movement I. PUT it out. Let my body talk talk. Oh my God. They were they were. Like. It's I mean how about their drunk dance like at the bar when they just Ending it when Melissa Sandra pulls up the guys, she thinks it's Melissa. It's a guy at the end of the night. Yeah. There was a point to bring in all that up. What was I? To. The line in there that was improvised when Michael said. When he was being interrogated by Melissa member Michael McDonald when they got him and and he said, you look like the Campbell's soup kid grew up and had a drinking problem. That was. Yeah? Oh. Yeah. He's. He's. He's a frigging nature. All right few more minutes and we'll wrap this up. Are you going to go and you get back to Seattle to Shawn? Kemp's. We. I'm definitely getting a t-shirt the logo unbelievable like amazing I'm like he's GonNa. Like more money in our or make more money in merch than he is in we'd I know I'm very pumped for him because I don't know what his situation is but he just The fact that he's can't be celebrated basketball wise in Seattle, the way that he should as far as like getting his Jersey retired and being able to go to games and. Probably, coach I mean like so I'm just it's very cool. Also, it's cool to have. We'd shops are so popular in Washington state and it's like, obviously I'm going to be like, oh. Cool. I. Can I'm going to get Kemp's We'd verses whoever else and it sounds like he's involved with some cool people. All right. Well, that's good to know. It's like I and Denny. Crime Spot Yeah It's actually they're going to split it with like a with I think kid value Dick's it's going to be like one of those KFC Taco Bell. No I'm joking I was like I was. I I refused to I. Mean I'm not exist anymore to kid value Dick's. When it was like Taco. Bell KFC OH. Is that. What is happening why we nobody wants? Nobody's like man let's get that new Chiluba and dip it into mashed potatoes. Actually, say that out loud everybody wants to do that. You're like I've been quarantined. L. Man. All right. So we we ended with this last time with a little quarantine queue. So I got a new set of. Quick rapid fire questions. But. If there's some longer answers fill free to. Give up all right, the first one and we kind of. Touched on this a reality show that you would go on currently. Gosh because there's been so many that have come out of the woodwork since we last talked I mean, let's just go down the list love island I mean. Didn't watch it either. Are. You guys, Bachelor. bachelorette either. Reality Watch. What do you watch and it can also be What she said, he said press briefings. That is a great active task force. Should answer. I was GONNA say real world, rose, road, rules challenge. Weights. Bring that back I mean they probably have brought it back, but it's also like. That would ever be what it was at that time because it was one of the first. And we were getting. Yeah that's. I can't even I think Hawaii was the last season I watched. I, don't remember what lasts the last season I. watched I only remember like the first five that I watched so good. So good such a mess I like. From New York is like a DJ on Sirius Xm. Turn that into a career. All right your favorite, your favorite. If ever documentary and it could be one that you've seen during this time just yeah I don't know what this says about me that this just popped in my head. Not Complaints. Fuck I just watched that right? Oh Man I want to the reason why it's my favorite and I think if I would actually answer, I might go while country. But that was like we had to pause it like an hour end and look both look at each other like is this is this really like this really happened. Holy Shit. Terrifying Yeah it. There's no shortage of those types of stories on on Netflix, and it's like you can go down some serious I just watched the What is it the one? The the guy that? That that. killed his wife end. Babies. Called American murder no, it was out and. It is in Oh man Netflix's I just. Yeah. I mean. These stories are just like unfathomable. All right. This was supposed to be. Questionnaire full of communicates is Let's see. All right question three. An NBA player that you'd love to play one on one and then a Wnba player that you'd love to play one on one that present or past. So ready. The nate. Robinson. That, answer. 'cause so I actually played pick up with him like kind of once I was working out. We need an extra guy just to like go up and down it wasn't like real pick up any kind of joking around he was serious but he was like playing lefty and he wasn't like going super hard and his not going super hard. I was like it's the most athletic person. I've ever been around in real life expertise closed free. Yeah like I would love to just experience that speed like. Man It was it was crazy. Jesus Christ. And the jumping ability I mean I remember I would watch them at U.? Dub. I think he had a block one game where he blocked the Guy Dunking and I mean I was like. Hey was incredible and then it also made me just feel so bad about my athletic abilities where I'm like I've got four inches on this guy and there's no one how I'm touching that rim. All right good answer. WNBA player pastor present. Good. Answer. All right. If you woke up if when you woke up and a song would have to start a song would start playing. It would be the soundtrack pursue birds day. What would that song be? Question. Why Now? Yes, we're not accepting a different answer move on. That's you're knocking top that. All right. What's more fun? Winning your fourth title or leaving the bubble knowing you go to the cheesecake factory. A. Ninety page menu. I'm GonNa go winning a championship. Also good answer. That is correct. All right. We're GONNA. Close us out with guests the quote. I. Know You're. You know you've had some some pretty incredible quotes over the years. I'm also a big quote guy. Won a your quotes that I. Don't know if you remember saying it but. I I, think it's pretty stellar piece of verbiage and something. That is very. Simple in the way, it's said, but I think holds a lot of value and you said be kind be nice yourself. You missed the shot it's OK. Remember saying that yeah. Kind of. A Lot. Well I think that that is a great quote because. It's I think in the context of all that what was probably also being said was like you. You. Know you make a mistake. You move on you do it again I mean chump chump probably set it better. You get knocked down you get up again but I think, I, think what you were saying and that is is A. Very pertinent thing that everybody should. Hold onto you apply that to your own day to day. I. Mean not well enough but try just. I love that? Yeah, I. Mean who? Really it's much easier to say the great quote and then to actually pull it and I did try that I do remind myself like you can be nice to yourself. I used to be my mom used to I used to miss shots games, and just you know towards the end of my career when I started really just become a better shooter, I'd have Games had twenty five points but missed two shots that were like you know could have been potential game swing shots and that's thirty hilarious. Yeah. That's all I would think about yeah, I share the stats a little bit but but. Yeah. There was a girl that I wanted to date. There was like I'm only date and you get thirty a game. And I was like that matters. All right. So here's some quotes I'm going to read, and then I'm going to be three potential options. Of who said that quote and you gotTa Guess. First one is if you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten who said that. Gino Auriemma. Share or Tony Robbins. In our Emma. Tony Robbins. But it does sound like a Gino Ram quote. Like Tony Robbins in real life earn, Shallow Hal. The Fan of. Great Move Your hands. So, my God. I hope coat draymond isn't here this. Does. Did he have a lot of great quotes over the years. He seems like anxious to quote machine can I give it go on real fast please. Man, find not GonNa love them saying this fellow. Remember, when those ww J. D. Bracelets were really popular. Yes. So I actually wasn't there for this, but it's like told round the world in the Yukon family. So it was the file for like really intense moment. back-and-forth close game team timeout everyone comes in the huddle. Everyone's waiting from to talk and he looks over in one of the girls wearing the bracelets and he goes. You WanNa know what Jesus would do. He rebounded run. A. Oh. God me. He's had some good ones. Another girl she came down. She was all while he was like subtract issues like you know sometimes you Michael Jordan and sometimes you Michael Jackson. Because you literally came down, it'll be like like she was like wild with it some. Bird sometimes. Michael Jackson Sometimes yet another one times one. Sometimes. Robinson. Sometimes you're Oscar Weiner he had some good ones too and and when you say she like that, that's kind of funny in the moment but you're not saying it to be funny and you're super serious. It's so tough as a player to not be like. Did he just say you're not a hotdog. All. Right. Cool. That's great. WHO said this quote I might talk about killing people but that doesn't mean I do it who said that? Britney griner. Oprah or EMINEM. Yeah that's right. Yeah. That's a all right last one. Robert Pattinson should not take back Kristen Stewart she cheated on him like a dog and we'll do it again. Just Watch. He can do much better who said that IRA. Banks. Diana to Rossi. Donald. J trump. My God. I think trump? Yeah. which is fucking bonkers. tweeted that. Yeah I wish I. Wish that was is worse tweet Climate, the other day you did. Real quick. Where you are you big twilight fan I mean I read the books I don't know what that means but yeah, it means you're fan. So the when the heat came out the first again, first movie I'm ever in, they were starting to play the trailer apparently in twilight the movie. So my buddies like we should go, he's like don't you want to go see the trip and I was like, yeah, that'd be cool. So we bought tickets to go see twilight. This was like twenty thirteen and twenty was still very big I. Don't know what movie this was the third or fourth are there For. Yes for so two, thousand, thirteen, whatever was the one that that. Down the last book and made it two movies I was like okay. So this is one where. Buck and what's his name? Young Jacob fucking. What's his name? What yeah he's a woman. She's he's a wolf and because I remember our it was my buddy his girl and and during the movie like the kids by the way, it was full of adolescent teens that were die hard and their mom or. Or us, and then gals that were just like obsessed with vampires and had weird vampire fantasies and all that. So it's full of everybody. And I think though my buddy were the only dudes in the theater no joke. Deserve. The ARC light in Hollywood and things are happening in everyone's by the way cheering for the name's Robert Patents and comes on the go crazy. The other the wolf cared they go crazy Christmas movie was that he stayed for the movie Oh yeah. So the trailer they played, they didn't play the trailer that had me in it. Then, so I'm sitting there. So bummed and then, and then we're going to leave and my buddies girls like I want to see the movie and we're like. And I was like I've never seen Eddie of it. So I was like, let's say from it. So everyone's going nuts for the names and then things would happen in everyone's reacting like in. Like, when something would happen and I was like, what just happened she goes oh The. So she was she's married to she's in love with our president, but she has a baby with the him I go. So she has a wolf baby. Now, what are you? What? What are you talking about? What are you talking about? This is not normal. That was Meghan. I was like listen. His Dad show her dad doesn't know that she's going to be a vampire but she's dying right now, which is only time they can't wait because the baby has to grow. I mean I must. Say That I was. So I was like I'm not going to be happening I was like well, some of them have special powers don't worry about it. I was like I'm not going to be made to feel stupid because I don't understand this plot. But it was so much to absorb. My nieces are obsessed with the too. By the way is there anything you would because my nieces at a point right now and we'll wrap this up. She's eleven. hoops is still a part of she loves to play I. Think He's definitely in a place where she's like I don't know if I'm GonNa make this something. Super. Part of my world, what would you say to kids that are playing basketball right now I I know that you get hit up all the time and you you're so good. With With. All that. But is there something that you have that you always say that you think about you at that stage? Yeah So the first thing, but I say how old is eleven? It's like have fun. Okay like if you're lucky enough for this to be any kind of anything serious weather, it's like you're on Varsity or you go to college or shit you become a professional and you get paid to do it like it'll be job then. Like. Don't make it a job out like. Have Fun with it and to me like what you learn from sports. has nothing to do with the actual sport. So it's like so worth it. It's like I mean, this is not something you're. To want to hear will like in terms of the people around her to encourage her. It's like you're staying active. You're learning team where all these important things that will help you down the line. Anyways we have fun with it like joy it don't make it like you're serious Meghan actually the one thing she says is like she tells people that like watch sports like make sure you're watching it. Yup You could learn from that. Yes that's. Yeah. Now Megan. What would you real quick what would you have told ten-year-old Adam when he scored on his own team and his friend's Dad who was a coach said what the fuck are you doing? Yeah that's what I did. That's a wrap on that sport for me. She goes clearly I didn't know what I was doing because I'm ten. I. Wish I had enough just. Social maturity. Way Is that is that is that a rare thing to score on your own team at that stage or is that like very done? It doesn't happen a lot but it's not like super rare I've seen in the WNBA it happened at Uconn to really. That's bonkers. Swin. Cash did it and Lauren Jackson did. More I like. It's always SOMO al.. What are you? Is On a free throw, both of them are on free throws. So. You're standing there you're not like you. Both of them actually so easy. This is. This has been great. Thanks for making time I. Love that you make time. It's really. It is fun. Right I. Yeah. I mean that's why I was like so hesitant to bug you but I was like but I feel like it's not a normal interviews. So you're GONNA it's not a bugger. Did you think it was cool when Russ was wearing your Jersey at a press conference? GIG Out. that. Yeah. Well, not to one upper us. But I have already told my fiance Amanda that I will be wearing that state bird shirt at our wedding so. Jersey, to did you see that'd be dope? Did you see that shirt? How dope is that? I think it's a play on the Larry Bird. One Larry. Bird has like an og fuck that. Fuck that there's a new burden town. Younger one. Yeah. Yeah. I, well, you guys have a good. Have, a good weekend. When you get out I, get out on Saturday I. Think they said four, thirty, five, thirty in the morning. It's so it's Wednesday here right now. Nine, am and. And so I get out on Saturday but then I don't shoot for another ten days really the schedules just getting. So a mix mixed and matched and even Melbourne. Brisbane. Brisbane. So I'M GONNA go to a Steve Irwin Sanctuary. Go kick it with some. Some ruse. I guess go go to A. Bar and go to rest go to the gym that's actually outside and normal life there. Yeah. Yeah. Oh Yeah. They're they are. I mean Melissa. McCarthy's been down here doing a movie for four months and she's like, I might not go back and she's like it's normal and awesome and they're shooting way more stuff down here now because of that. We are I think originally were supposed to be in Atlanta but things were kind of still not figured out when this going so a lot of. Notes NBC TV show. Notes about the rocks life it's called young? Rock. Wait. Like the rock the wrestler Yes. Yeah. You didn't see impost my stand up on his instagram now I will yeah Oh, we're like full on buds. It's fucking bonkers. Yes. Oh. It's it's. An NBC series I can't see how it won't go the distance because. Historians. I'm here for a month, but there are people, but that's just for this first season. The character I'm playing is a very prominent part of his story and wrestling career but. So. Later seasons I'll be all over it if it continues, which I'm like, how do you not do? Yeah and. And the stories just crazy. I mean his dad being a wrestler and then going to University of Miami to play football and then getting into wrestling and then I mean it's it's really a and it's cool. It's in the family's a big part of it and and So we'll see, but but those people that are here for a while So but I'll be back Seattle over Thanksgiving if it's chilled out at some point. Back, so he can grab a system associate. Let's do it. Yeah. Okay cool. Thanks for doing this. I love you. Thank you, heaven.

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WKPWP - Thursday Flagship - Keller & Powell talk Seth's Twitter controversy, AEW Fyter Fest & ROH Best in the World, more (6-27-19)

The Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast

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WKPWP - Thursday Flagship - Keller & Powell talk Seth's Twitter controversy, AEW Fyter Fest & ROH Best in the World, more (6-27-19)

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Why certain people are saying the things that they're saying, and maybe there's some merit in them that you're not giving proper due attention to. So I have mixed feelings about it where we're at you and we'll talk about Sports Illustrated in a second. But as far as the approach set the suddenly taken on Twitter to be the vocal leader. What do you how do you grade? Or how do you evaluate his approach so far? I think he's playing a dangerous game right now because. He what he's done feels like to a point. It's WW. J. C D. What would John seen do but Johnson, wouldn't go this harsh and call out other wrestlers and things like that? I, I think he's trying to emulate, some of what John seen has done though is terms of trying to be that launched room leader for the company and where you'll it's a dangerous game is he's alienating fans and he could very well end up. Getting Johnson, a reactions which against the company would take a weird way. I, I just don't see the point. I know what you're saying about the trash talking, and that I think he's gonna turn people off. I think what he's doing right now defending the company the way he is. If things improve. Okay. Yeah. People, maybe he defended the company, great if things stay the same, then he's just the voice of, of not changing. And, you know, when everyone wants change becomes the voice of, of status quo. He's defending bad product. And I think. That's where the danger comes from is that there's people who, like him, don't see him as part of the problem. And it they're going to if he becomes this guy that everything's okay? We what are you will? What am I missing that? You're seeing, and it's like well, look at the attendance. Look at the ratings, etc. That's, that's the thing to not acknowledge. And again, I know he's in a tough position because what's he gonna do go? Yeah. You know, Vince, this and the writing team that and this colleague of mine this and, like, yeah, that was a bad show and got I plug my nose going to Saudi Arabia, but the money spent like what's he gonna do like he as the leader if you're going to, and this is the problem with Twitter. It's just it's insane. When you look at people because they will yell at you about something. Somebody else said and, and not actually read what you said. And I think Seth is frustrated with that, that's part of the problem of playing in the Twitter sandbox, too much is, there's Troll's. There's people who just aren't that bright or perceptive, in terms of what you're saying. Saying or they just, you know, I guess that's trolling. They're just looking looking to get a reaction by being sort of bombastic in arguments. And if you get pulled into that world you can sink to their level. So there's that aspect of it. The other thing was Seth is he's aiming down. He's, he's in the top company. He's the universal champion, and we'll set aside the fact that it's low blows and chair shots at got him there from a story line cave standpoint, but he is the universal champion lead baby face, and he's taken digs at will ask brace height and Bank account. Like if you feel you've got a great product that you're proud of you can say that, without sounding like a. I don't know some immature teenager, who's gone to ad hominem attacks against somebody who can defend himself on Twitter, but you're attacking for things that weren't part of your original discussion. Our product is the best. We'll ask Asprey. I'll, I'll take put my matches against anyone's. Well, you're short. I have more money like seriously. That's what went out ospreys actually taller than. Rawlins Kapiti alyssum. It's we competed. But it listen as being the same height. Yes. That's and that's the thing like, how does Seth Rollins feel about Daniel Bryan hoping early on in the it was a summer of Daniel Bryan with his shield, the shield matches against Kane. But any Brian helped make a lot of wrestlers in that company and he's out there making heavy machinery this week? You know, when I say, make I mean that's overstating it. But you know what I mean like bringing them to the next level showing them at their best and Danube ran short, and then we'll ask spray by four same with Finn Ballard. There's a number of guys that Seth is worked with. So again, that's I do not have a problem with Seth coming up firing. I don't have a problem with insane. I think he should acknowledge. Hey, there's things we do that. I disagree with. But the in ring product when we're when we're at our best, nobody can match our schedule. They're doing long televised matches in front of millions of people that I'm proud of it. I'm damn proud of it. And I think it's good underline and highlight the strengths of WWE is long as it doesn't seem like you're disregarding or delusional or blind to the obvious shortcomings of some of the issues that fans are pointing out. No one says, Seth you're not a hard worker Seth your matches aren't good Nobel prize people saying that he should ignore them. They're idiots. But that's not the that's not the criticism of the WWE product. So for Seth to ignore the valid criticism and then have the straw man argument of. But my matches are good. When no-one said they're not. I don't I don't think that's leadership. No. No. It's not. I heard from people who've worked with shit that are honestly wondering if he was put up to this, it bitch WWE looking at it can't be Roman reigns. People crap all over that. If it comes for him. Hey Seth maybe you could deliver the message. I, I don't know. I mean this may be one hundred percent sincere. I coming from him could be an attempt to become the long-term leader curry favor with Vince who knows or just get one hundred percent sincere. But I, I don't think he's gone about it the right way, especially on Twitter, the whole wheel Osprey thing, it's, it's subjective. You know, I, I wrote a piece on this just breaking down some of his comments in Sports Illustrated, and, you know, one of the things that I pointed out when it comes to Seth. I mean it's just it's all subjective. Who cares who? If somebody thinks another wrestler is better than you, what is the difference? I mean just you or the WWE universal champion. And if I if I felt like because at first I was like, well, maybe their friends and they're just having some fun with this. You know, whatever I don't get the sense that, like they're both in on this show together. It may get to that point. But it does seem like no. This is throwing a tantrum. Yeah. It it's, it's bizarre in it's not all bad, but it's like you said it, it, can, I think it can backfire WWE heads up until smacked on this week. I thought had a good stretch of shows going since since super showed on was a debacle. And I thought they had made some improvements in, even if they're solutions to problems are overly complicated and make things worse. It seems like they are actually trying to address some of the some of the issues that people had with the culture of their presentation, what went into the formatting in the way that they did things in it. I mean, it's McDonalds a step backwards in that. But then pay per view, and I thought last who's TV was better in this week's raw was better. And they're the heavy machinery, just being out there having a really good match with Brian and Roman like that kind of thing. And then Seth putting in great work. One that stuff can speak for myself, too. If you think you need to speak about it highlight what you're doing, but don't you don't need to pun intended, stomp on someone else's head who's doing great work. Also somewhere else. And so, yeah, it seems like he's there was some goodwill being built up. And then there was this premature touchdown celebration of see this proves. We we're better in every way, and I feel like he's. Bonding to a handful of people on Twitter who deserve what he's saying, but should be ignored. And in the process, there's other people going, why coming at me, so hard and why you going well Asprey, so disrespectfully. I don't I just think in the end it's there's a way to approach being bold and having bravado on Twitter and do it better than Seth is representing their absolutely. And another thing I pointed out that he seems to be hell bent on their he's not getting respect. I it's he's deflecting from the obvious problem, which is the creative. That's what people have been going after. And when I know there's been television shows over the years, that normally, I'm a complete is. But there are some shows that just get so bad, you have to stop watching. It's not because I think the actors are phoning it in it's you know it's just and the writings, lost me, I and I move on. Yeah. And I don't see actors out there, but I'm acting really hard. You don't get it. And that's what he's doing. Really? Good analogy. Let's say you just bought a house. Bad news is you're one step closer to becoming your parents. You'll proudly mow the lawn and skip anybody noticed you mow the lawn till people to stay off the lawn. Compare it to your neighbor's lawn and complain about having to mow the lawn again. Good news is, it's easy to bundle home and auto through progressive, and save on your car insurance, which of course, we'll go right into the lawn. Progressive casualty insurance company affiliates and other insurers discount not available in all stages situations. Let's say you just bought a house. Bad news is you're one step closer to becoming your parents. You'll proudly mold along and skip anybody noticed you mow the lawn? Tell people to stay off the lawn compare it to your neighbor's lawn and complain about having to mow the lawn again. Good news is, it's easy to bundle home and auto through progressive, and save on your car insurance, which of course, we'll go right into the lawn. Progressive casualty insurance company affiliates and other insurers discount on stages situations. The ratings are undeniably bad, and so people who used to watch aren't watching, and it's not, because Seth isn't working hard enough or a hard schedule lake. That's he's, he's yelling at people for not liking in watching the product. Well, people get to do what they want with their time. And if the product isn't worth their time in obviously, for hundreds of thousands of people compared to just a few months ago, it's not don't yell at him about it, and say, well, I'm better than we'll out spray. I mean, if you want to be a leader behind, in, by the way, Seth speaks up behind the seats. I mean his reputation is he to perhaps to a fault. But he says, what's on his mind. There's not a real filter with him. And, and so that's you take care of business behind the scenes. And then if you're going to go public, and you're going to be the leader of the company. Just I dunno represent better. The eighteen to thirty four male demographic is a big issue right now. The young male audience with Seth as the champion the universal champion is going away two years ago. They did a rather sweep did a two point zero two rating overall this week at one point six six. So that's about a fifteen percent drop the eight hundred we were they I don't know if you haven't handy, where were they two years ago that was a two years ago raiding. It was so two years ago, two point oh two and so they're down point three six. So you know a look eighteen percent. I guess, roughly the male eighteen to thirty four demo, two years ago, one point zero two this week point five three almost fifty percent down. So the people there turning off our men who are under thirty five that, you know, all demographics are, are down. I mean, the eighteen to forty nine demos down. But. A little bit last. So the older fans are sticking around they're creatures of habit more. If they're shedding viewers from the main show that, by the way, people all that they once on YouTube, as account, of course, it counts because the vast majority of w. The by far the biggest revenue generator for WWE right now, among all categories is television, so they don't get to have the money that they have if everybody's watching highlights on YouTube. So the study of while the ratings being down doesn't count because people still watch clips on YouTube or, or wherever it's like, no that really matters a lot because if, if the NFL is making their money from TV deals and ticket sales and suddenly nobody's watching on TV and nobody's buying tickets. But people go well, at least they're watching highlights on, on NFL social media will, if there's no money being made from those highlights and social media, or it's a tiny fraction that's bad for the league. So this is bad for the league and a year ago. It was one point nine rating and a point eight one eight eighteen to thirty four demo. So it's down dramatically from one year ago, also the point five three is the I don't know if in the tournament going at in the last few months, it's nothing is that low haven't been in the point fives. So and this. Those to be their time. There's no sports that they have a couple of months before what ball season starts up again. It you talk about the young male demographic, or I guess, just would eighteen to thirty five day team to thirty four male is the biggest drop, but even all adults eighteen forty nine they're down also but not nearly as much. I boy, I mean, it chef related, it's kind of a side note, but I don't think this set and Becky romance is going to play well to that demographic. I just I don't think that's what that demographic is looking for. They, they made like bolted them. I don't know that they wanna see them tied at the hip together, and it'll, it'll be interesting to see how they do that. I agree. I mean, I think so far, this is sort of pre tweet storm. And I don't know how they would relate to each other. And what fraction of the audience is gonna know what, what Seth is doing on Twitter, or Sports Illustrated, which we'll get into. But I think it can work and I think you could backfire and I think they have to be careful about it. I don't know. I, I don't know. I'm not I'm not like saying, oh, God this going to be terrible, but it is there are absolutely directions as could go. That could backfire not only on Seth, but also Becky. I don't I don't think Seth and Becky are seen, as like, well, they have to be seen as single in available like the rock and roll express. You know, you never want to talk about the be married because all all those screaming girls in the eighties. Like I wonder if you have Robert so. Well, that was a big thing in Hollywood for years in may. Probably didn't want the women. Now they were married, maybe so. Maybe just one of them. I'll just say that. So, yeah. I don't know anyway, let's continue. 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I keep giving that up and not not getting around to it. Did you listen to that yet? Which one was drew McIntyre on the Sam Roberts. I have not yet. No. Because he was sort of it was felt like a little bit of rebuttal, the dean Ambrose also, I'm impression I get is he's like, hey, you have some more flexibility on promos than maybe dean indicated John moxie indicated and, you know, a lot of guys who complain are the ones who aren't aren't working hard and doing the right thing. So. If that's the case, I am sorry to interrupt. But if that's the case can you have Scott hall, give him a call because I still remember your torch dock, we talked about you don't say thing, like you know, you're gonna stab somebody or do whatever you don't go over the top with it because you're not going to do that. And all I heard from drew McIntyre, leading into this paper view is how he's going to brutalize Roman reigns. As kids aren't going to recognize and just like, no, you're not stop in the thing with that, too, is make sure that the Vincent man, the writers and the wrestler, on the same page. So if you have a script, it's I'm going to brutalize, your families recognize you make sure you're not doing the job a two on one. Like, make sure that you're not that you're not on the losing end of a two on one match. Yeah. I know that you're facing Roman. You don't even have to ask. You're not going to be you should have been, but you're not going to be. Yeah. Exactly. So. So with Seth response to Moxley I didn't really see any specifics, get brought up. Like I, I wasn't super satisfied with what, what I've heard in read about Senator, your Sports Illustrated. So I'm curious Jason your take. Like what what did he make some points like? Oh, okay. Well, that that's, that's fair. And that, that, that actually is kind of another way of looking at it that maybe Moxley didn't portray or portrayed unfairly, no, the I mean, I don't know if he was hinting at I'm leaving the door open that he knows would DNA embryos. Jon Moxley was like behind the scenes. He kind of made it seem like it look in the mirror and ask yourself. Did you do everything that you could have done that sort of thing and show? I don't know if he's implying that, hey, you know, it is as much as he was also complimentary of them talking about how he committed himself to everything and all of that. But basically it was him taking a fence going. You worked really hard while you were here, but just because you left doesn't mean you have to bury the place on the way out. And but he also said, he's a big boy. And he can do that. And it's like, well, which is it? Yeah, I mean, I yeah, I didn't think he added anything there. I it just seemed like he was Pissy because John motley did interviews. Yeah. Like it's far as the creative aspect goes and you've got the detailed quotes up on. This was asked if he's satisfied with the level of input into his character, and he goes, absolutely, I'm satisfied with it because I make a point to be satisfied with it. Like if someone says, are you happy with your marriage? And they go well, I'm happy with it because I make a point to be happy with it like, well, no. I mean, either it's you're happy with it, or you're not you can't force yourself to be happy with something that's not healthier or productive or good or like that felt that seems like a weird answer. Now, what he's saying is I try to be positive and realistic. Well, that's fine. Then say then say that, but like. D like in one of the pushbacks with, with Moxley's interviews like he's complaining, but he was in the shield and he got like a big push. Imagine some of the people who are frustrated behind the scenes, who have really good upside. But for whatever quirky reason they're being ignored or not pushed but to me, it's like that says even more about that. I think that adds more validity to Moxley specific gripes about the creative process behind the scenes, which is I was getting a push. And I was making great money, but I felt like I could have been more valuable to the company. It wasn't a selfish argument. And so, you know, I just I didn't I'm not really sensing where Seth thinks Pacific -ly dean was wrong in the argument will Vincent man has been doing this twenty years longer than I've been alive. So he's got some ideas, any no since I don't have to learn from him. Okay. Well, that's good. You should feel that way. But there's a lot of NFL had coaches who've been around twenty years longer than some other head coaches who suck because they're stuck in their ways or there. Where they've kind of aged out of, of the work ethic that's needed or whatever I mean you can go on and on about that. So to me, it's like these generalities, don't do it for me. I wanna know specifically, what did what could what did dean complain about that. He had control of that he could have made better and I didn't I'm not sensing that that speaking addressed. So I, I don't know John would feel about this. Maybe he won't read it because he just doesn't care. We just so happy right now. Well, I mean one of the things he also should is the bottom line is that not everybody's equipped to handle the rigors of WWE in the schedule and how it affects you mentally, and emotionally. And then he did put it over again that he Imachi gave everything. He had to the company the entire time. He was here. So I don't. I mean, because their fringe any emphasizes their friends, and he'll love them all you'll always love him. I don't know if he was being kind of, like hinting at things, but not wanting to just, you know, drop the hammer on him or I don't know. I didn't really feel like he brought a lot to that. But I can. Stand. If there is a friendship there, where he might feel the need to bite his tongue on some things, then the aspect of set to, is he can't say the things that are true and worth boasting about that which the problem without taking a dig at something else. So he says, you know, talked about their top talent it'd town WB works over one hundred fifty matches year plus all the travel, all I'm glad you didn't say two hundred fifty. That's nice. You know, being a little more realistic here on top of all the media all the training to try to stay in the best shape. So we actually looked like wrestlers not, these Jubran in gym shorts who get in the ring and do high spots. Okay. And chef most ahead rural class gear when he first started. Yeah, I just like why I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't think people are saying Yay. Jim Jubran gym shorts who only do high spots. Like that's nobody's define missions, nobody. But, you know, ignore those people that he's, he's responding to a straw man argument that that as if people are saying, Gebran, gym shorts who do high spots in. Their weekend warriors, every and travel and hit a few dates here and there, but don't have to look like wrestlers and don't have to do media and their travel schedule isn't nearly as rigorous. Nobody's saying, hey Seth you suck in their better. Like what? That's not that's not the primary argument. So I get it just feels like he's pushing back against something that isn't really a broadly held viewpoint. And in the process is taking digs at people aiming down that I don't think it's productive. The reason I said, that's exactly it is, I think had he just made some, some reference, you know, rallying the troops, but in a way that, hey was gonna be proud of the work that they did at the paper view sing their praises for that singer praises for the work ethic and within the company and just make some comment that were on our way up again or something like that. You don't have to say things have been where we've been way down. And because as always, we talk about this with impact and other companies that do this. It's like there you gotta remember that no matter what, there are people enjoying your product. Don't tell him it's bad and not that he did that. But it just felt like this. He could have gone about this differently and sent the right message and it wouldn't have got as much play. And maybe that's what he's looking for. But I don't think people would be criticizing Seth Rollins today. I and that's where I think he, he loss. A lot of people with this. I think he should be rallying people. Some people in the locker room and some people in the office, and there's going to be those Ron rod WWE fans that, you know, that's their hometown team. It's going to speak to them. But you're alienating so many people who want to, like you Jason before we continue. Tell people about. I know we talked about your free podcasts in your website, but you've got a membership tier what can people get with that membership tier? And how did they get more information or the sign up for you? Get the ad free version of pro wrestling, Don net. And obviously you enjoy audio content. You get a ton of it. Ross smackdown annex, t tool, five lot M. L W Audie reviews. The list goes on all the major television shows and pay per view covered in audio form. This weekend's eventual covered an audio form, I'll be handling those the and then next weekend is well with new Japan and impact wrestling. 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For official rules, visit WWW dot five H E win dot com. Void where prohibited. Sponsored by letting essentials LLC. The problem people have with me right now is not Seth Rollins and his work ethic. And he's throwing that out there like how as if people are saying, yes, Seth, you're the problem and your work ethic is a problem or or to schedule isn't isn't grueling enough? That's not the problem. The problem is barren Corbin should be a third or fourth from the top heel, and he's headlining a pay per view, intimate event with a stipulation that makes absolutely no sense. If should be no governing body of a wrestling company, that would give the he'll challenger the opportunity to pick a referee no matter how bias they are. Although we could say, sort of happened in government with part of Justice, but that's a whole other issue. Maybe they're emulating that I don't know. But that shouldn't be something that, that, that just doesn't make sense for fans to take seriously his championship when he wanted with a low blow, and that sort of not talked about or a lame excuse for its fight fire with fire whatever. And then and then he's now pathetic figure it gets to heal who's basically allowed to bring a gun to a knife, fight it, just so that's the problem, not your work ethic, and he can't speak to that, obviously. And maybe he thinks it's a great story line stack the odds against me. Well, the odds are stacked against you, but it sort of makes a whole mockery of the championship if the organization that created this championship and hires all these wrestlers to see who the best wrestler, is which is the story, they're telling is giving this ridiculously unfair advantage to a heel, and we don't even have a face or voice of that. He'll figure anymore and I'm not calling for that, by the way, but I am calling for having a he'll who's credible enough that you don't have to give him that kind of. Advantage. That's where the criticism is coming from. And that's why people weren't buying expensive tickets to see stomping grounds because baron Corbin is fighting above his pay grade. He's fighting of his talent level and the perception of him and you're not going to draw very well when that's going on. It has nothing to do with people on Twitter thinking, Seth doesn't work hard enough. He can't bury the creative and maybe he likes it. And if he does he also has to look and go. Well, there's obviously people based on the ratings and attendance who don't I wish he would be blunt enough to be that guy. But she and punk was and it didn't always score important. I get it if he wants to be the company man, but pick your spots better. You know, there's I mean he's just deflecting. It's people are complaining about creative, and he is telling them we all work really hard and they do. No one. No one is disputing that we all know that. I shouldn't say all, but I mean look as he's on Twitter doing this, and he's, he's doing a Sports Illustrated podcast that I may. I don't know much about that. Podcast. Maybe plauged is it's kind of a general sports thing, isn't it? It's not just all wrestling. I'm actually not sure I don't look. Yeah, I believe because I they had a guess, on. I didn't even listen to the rest of it. So I'm not sure who the other guest was on. But I did didn't wasn't a name a recognized. So if it if it was all wrestling, I apologize, but it was like the Sports Illustrated, media podcast. So I don't think it is. And so I get like if you're think you're pointing to a certain audience. But at the same time, I don't think a casual audience of made up of non wrestling fans in some cases wanna listen. Listen to what he had to say about some of these things either. I just I don't I mean just pick your spots. Do a better job of, of being a good voice for the company. Not a polarizing voice for the company. Here's another, quote from the interview from your transcript on progressing dot net. So people to check it out if they don't have time to listen to the podcast, and then check out the podcast when you have time to hell with it. If people wanna talk, then let them talk, but it's time to fire back. I'm just sick of it. I hope that it's a rallying cry. And I hope that it is something. The rest of our talent feels that they can speak out about, and if they don't feel the same way, then they don't have. Then the let's see if they feel the same way that they don't have to take this high road all the time, or if they don't, if they just want to let me be their voice. I'm fine with that, too. He taking the high road. It's false binary choice either. You're taking the high road, and you're not really speaking, your voice, or your speaking voice. Well, there's nuances to speaking, your voice, and that's what we're breaking down here. He's, he's not taking the high road but he's also aiming down and responding to things that the majority of people aren't saying the problem. But if this does do you think Jason that this can be a rallying cry for the locker room? I think this sounds like Vince McMahon go blaming other people for problems in going. Well, we need morale to be up and guys to work harder and be inspired. And I, I just don't think like the revival weren't working hard when they were being buried. I don't think E C three isn't working hard and he's being buried meaning pick a bunch of people who feel being underutilized. I. I don't think the locker room needed to be motivated. I think their motivation has been beaten out of them through either being ignored or bad creative. And so this whole thing of if Seth was sent out to do this, or, or had an idea in Vince, loved it in sort of being amplified. I it's when it doesn't address the problem. It doesn't matter if you take the high road or the low road if either way, you're ignoring what people actually have an issue with. That's actually what is what is driving people away from the product, especially the eighteen to thirty four year old males. You're not helping matters. It may be a few guys in locker like yeah. We have a vocal leader and Seth, but they're just going to end up being more frustrated with creative than. Look, if there's a part of the odd the locker room that is right. Everything's great here, and they want to be positive about everything. He's going to speak to them as I wrote in my recap of this being the locker room leader. You just don't represent. Everyone is happy you represented everyone in that locker room. And yeah. I don't think he did a great job of that. And I think what you said about, Vince McMahon blaming everyone. I think that is the cause of damn near everything we're seeing right now in WWE a including this weird decision to not have mashes continuing to commercial breaks which I'm sure we'll talk about it. But like you can do that. But they're implement their implementation of it is so brutal. I think he's the wildcard rule all these different things like he's trying to find gimmicks. And he's fired writers he's fired producers and everything. We know I, I just think he's blaming everyone around him for his own shortcomings. Here's the we will get into that, by the way, I, here's here's for people who haven't been on Twitter of seen this, this is a quote, inner sponsor will ask where he goes, I'm sorry, little guy. We already have a better version, you here and he just won his first title, congrats king. Ricochet keep working hard, though, buddy, ricochet insulted. Yeah. Like there's I mean, we have our little guy, who I'm going to patronize, and he's better than we have a little guy who I'm gonna patronized by saying he's better than this. Other little guy who, who being patronizing to. Yeah. I'm just a high flying cruiserweight, and we're a dime, a dozen. Yup. Yup. Or we or we have a better version of something that I'm going up that I'm going to demean in my next sentence. I mean, yeah, and there's a lot of you know, Twitter response. Someone wrote Zach says I will stop whatever I'm doing and watches. Seth Rollins match because I love watching them. But to talk down to Osprey who just had the best match two thousand nineteen by far is disheartening someone else's he and Becky seem to think being ineffective baby face means being arrogant beyond the results, I've never seen people so proud of record low ratings. In poorly reviewed shows in there's pushback to I mean, there's people who are responding. I haven't seen any responses that are actually particularly on point. You know there's a bunch of generalities about about. Item. They acts up so they can act like they're you know they want. Yeah. People like the I W C thinks this or the age marks that and it's like whatever. Got to me, it just seems like two guys busting balls on each other. In the Idaho UC seems to have lost their minds over it. So. There's pushback. But it there are absolutely people. Looking at this going wait. We have to choose between really liking you and also really enjoying Osprey because. Yeah, I don't know. It's I encourage that. I mean, hey, if his if he thinks Vosper is nothing but a spot guy. Yes sound, you know, maybe there was a time in it than any. And that's what he is. His memory is of him if he seen any of his work, you better go watch his new stuff. I mean this guy's been. He's really changed his style. He's incredible coming off of stomping grounds in by the way, good meal. That's okay. Proud of proud of everybody's work. That's fun in it is it is. But it was a bunch of three-star matches. It was not there wasn't a match. There was anything. I didn't think anything hit four stars. Maybe something just hit for stars. If you really like, you know, one or two of the matches that I had, you know, at three three quarter three nap, but it wasn't like this job dropping. Great shows could show. It was a thumper solid thumbs up start to finish. Pretty darn good. But let's not make coming off of super showdown at which was one of the worst shows of all time and then you follow it up with a solid thumbs up with a bunch of three star matches. I just don't think that's what you hang your hat on as. Yep. Mic drop. We're the best and anyone who says it's like people weren't complaining about the match quality on Sunday and people aren't generally complaining about match-quality other than super showdown. They're complaining about other things, so anyway. Well, one more enjoyed that you know, he one of his points was, basically to make it seem. Like nobody does what we do is often as we do and just counting how many matches basically that he's worked. And it turns out that ospreys were poor matches this year. Yep. I mean he was with the back injury. But still, I mean, we'll offering works a pretty full schedule while the Wade Keller progressing post shows and Wade Keller wrestling podcasts. And PW torch daily casts are all ad-supported free programs. You can make the ads and plugs, go away and went to be great to listen to the straight through without ads and plug. You can become a VIP member and unlock access to thirty plus years of archives podcast retro radio shows over fifteen hundred back issues of the pro wrestling torch newsletter. Dating back to the late nineteen eighties and get our new podcasts every single day at free and plug free. Not just the free ones. 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More the more we see them because they're going to Justice, they go, what are you hoping to see different from double or nothing on the show? I will do things I want the commentary to improve namely, the, the work of Alex mortgage. It's his second outing, and hopefully, there's we see some signs of improvement there. And my question remains, if Alex just isn't the guy for the job. And hopefully is that if he isn't, let's Tony Kahn gonna do but his friend, that's kind of a test for him. Yeah. Is he gonna continue to keep his friend in the job because he's friend if everybody thinks he's terrible at his job. Or is he going to do something about it, and make a change there? I'm I I as much as I enjoyed that pay per view. Those first couple of hours are blur. It was all about the, the last three matches and yet at the time. I certainly found enjoyment. Did it but I remember writing after they get them right before the final three matches. I'm ready. I'm ready for singles match or something to that extent just a little too much high spot, and multi persons mashes and things like that. And I think I don't have the lineup infirmary I think there's less of that this time around. And that's cool. Yeah. I just I mean, I, I want less hokey nece that, like we saw on with the with the gimmick battle Royal or whatever, whatever it was called the Vegas steamed out a Royal, I there, just a little too much Cutie indie ripping stuff in there that there's an audience for that. I personally don't wanna see and only wrestling, they have every right to put it on there, if they feel like that's what they want to do. It's not for me. And I hope we don't see as much of that going forward. Yeah, I agree. I think there needs to be some editing. There needs to be some focus and this is a chance for them for people to watch and people who hear about it and read about it. What is their brand going to be? And do they? Have a cohesive vision for what they're going to be in not just a buffet of all kinds of stuff like I like to me, you're doomed, if what you say your philosophy is a little bit of everything a little bit of something for everybody. You know, that was TNA's wanna TNA's approach, what we're going to give everybody a little something, so we're going to have just a random hardcore brawl with a bunch of toys, and that we're gonna have this one of the problems with WWE right now and the twenty four seven or just all these different things are trying to be. Yes. And so with eight w I wanted to know what, what tone are you sending out to your audience, and you can have? Can you have a sidebar aspect of things that is on the lower card? That's quote entertaining. Yes. But it should be one exception, or, you know, a little slice of, of your company or a couple of characters that, that sort of fit in, but clearly are there to amuse outside of I'm here to prove on the best wrestler, and let's, let's, let's go to it. An and and, and have a great match. So I I'm curious about that. Does this lineup looked like it's an opportunity for them to show that Jason Jon Moxley officially against George Annella? Is that a good starting point for Oxley? Are you thinking this could be a good way to enter? It will be introducing a lot of people to the John Moxley character. It'll be weight introduced a lot of people to join us all about. I think I mean that just screams hardcore war on, I don't get to cute with it. I join generic talented. I don't think he's a major player in. Ali, late wrestling, or Jon Moxley is. And if there's a way to have him gain something in defeat without doing it at the expense of Moxley in any way. Then go for it. But yeah that. It's yeah. I, I think people may be surprised. Maybe that's kind of the game plan here too, is to kind of let people know this isn't dean, Ambrose this, maybe this is dean, Ambrose uncensored now on to some extent unhandcuffed, what whatever whatever you, you'll say about it where he's going to be able to do a little bit more hardcore wise and he was able to in WWE. So I mean I'm looking forward to it. I think it'll be an interesting match. Yeah. Yeah. And it's isn't an H show and they shouldn't be giving away a top match with moxy yet and Moxley should get a win. And it's a way to show that he's part of the company, but it also should be seen as, as a chapter on the Moxley story and the journey that he's on within AWS should people should walk away going. All right. I good idea of how John ops is similar, but also going to be different from, from dean Ambrose now that he's outside of the auspices of incident man, framingham and scripting him. Okay. Then Cody another big star eight w taking a Darby Ellen what do you think about this matchup? They've done stuff online to build it up. What, what's the pros and cons of this match? I'm really looking forward to this match. It's a styles clash, you know, from what I've seen of Darby Allen. This strikes me as a major, styles clash, and I think it has the potential to be very fun could go awry, but I think they're both talented enough that it should work. And I think Hodie has enough equity built up that he can make Darby Allen look good. So it's not the Moccoli thing we're coding needs to go over strong and decisively. I mean, I think he will. But I think you know he can. He can hang on, and make their be Allen look, really good into feet. What's when you say styles flash show, elaborate on that from what I mean just the little bit. I've seen of derby Allen in various promotions. I'm I, I mean, maybe I've just been haven't seen enough. But there's a lot of hard core style stuff there. Yup. And that's you know, I mean, Cody isn't brawl and everything like that. But it just doesn't. It. It's not like I think it's a unique matchup. I it's not one. When you looked at the roster you thought, oh, they're going to go here. So he kind of unexpected and different and has a potential be really fun. Yes, made event Kenny omega and the young box against the Lucho brothers in Laredo kid. Your thoughts on this. Is this a do you consider that you made about? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. About drop off after that it is. But, you know, I mean, hey, their star power with Moxley their star power with Cody, and, and then I think there is a pretty significant rob off from there. We'll see what the four ways like, and I look forward to Daniels, and Chima for other reasons. But yeah, I think that this buckle up. And let's hope there's not an all in repeat where they've run long. And these guys don't get enough time because I mean, this is the mashed to tune in for it's, you know, people who wanted to say that only wrestling is just nothing but crazy high spot wrestling. Well, you may be proven right for a moment in this match, but it's going to be really frigging good high spot wrestling. I'm looking forward to this a lot, and they've got to decide who the version of the box we're going to are going to be an a w and also frame Kenya magazine star like Kenny can't be ov shocks. Look at this here. I am ironic smile. Like this has to be. I like a I think there's got him. I mean he he's gotta be Kenny, but there's gotta be a serious sports like presentation to this being a main event match with something at stake and go out there. And for people who are sampling the product look at him as all right, there, Seth, and there's canny like to top guys in their prime. And I see Kenny as sort of the Seth of eighty w for people who are more W W B center, but giving a try to aid w because they're pretty excited about what they've seen so far. Yeah. Absolutely. I think any needs to go over here on, you know, he, he did the honors the Lascaux and put over Chris Jericho. I mean you can really I mean the thing that matters most is what you do once you start on TNT with Kenny omega. That's why I wasn't down on the decision at all for him to lose that match. I didn't expect it, it was one of those cool, finishes where it when it played out. I'm like, you know, that makes a lot of sense. Good for them. I I wasn't expecting it. I thought, okay there it's Kenny omega. He's going to be Jericho, but he didn't. And but I, I do think I would have him bounced back here. It's a six man tag. I mean, but the real key is once you get to TNT what you do with Kenny omega in front of that entirely new audience, and they'll have someone some new fans certainly tuning in for this show with an airing free on Bleacher report live this weekend. But I think TNT is the big one. And that's when you really begin to build for of Kenny, omega major star, this should be there should be enough thought put into how. They're going to frame present. Kenny, omega big star that there shouldn't be a big learning curve between now and October and TNT this, this should be our glimpse into who Kenny is going to be portrayed on the TNT show. There shouldn't be a major a major shift away from whatever they do on Saturday. They need to have figure this out at doesn't mean it won't be refined or, or enhance to in terms of the production values or something like that. But people tuning in, and watching the show should who have a peripheral knowledge of Kenny omega because Awa needs those fans who have a peripheral knowledge of Kenya mega to be successful on TNT. The majority of people watch on TNT are have to be people who have not seen much, or any of Kenya mega, but are ready to settle in and try new wrestling series. That's that those fans are huge chunk of making Wednesday night, dynamite, a success if that is what they end up calling Jimmy Walker opened the show. I hope not. Yeah. And I can't say I'm crazy about the name. Looking forward to this series. That's for sure. I, I guess the obvious as far as the prediction would be omega pinzel Rateau kid because I don't know. I mean it Laredo kids appearing on impact television this week in a six man tag. As a matter of fact. So I, I yeah, I don't know if he's going to be regular in AWS really talented guy. I kind of hope they go in a different direction and have omega beat Pinto, or Venus. Even and just it because it almost is too simple. Okay. I'll magazine gonna pin Laredo cat. Yes. That yeah. It is. It is. I mean, there's times to do the predictable thing, especially on up be level show like this. But. But tearing free. That's this is an entirely new audience. Hopefully for them. Yes. Hey kids, I'm Harley are passionate, and I'm Emily fear, and we host the PW torch, stigma cast talking on her. Joining us in our team of correspondents every Wednesday as we discussed the week in bring up honor including Arledge TV honor club events. Breaking news and listener mail, plus exclusive interviews with pop are which stars like Jeff, Bob Kelly, Klein, Tracy Williams, and beer city, boozer just search PW torch in apple podcast, or your favorite podcast app to subscribe for listen on demand and see the entire PW torch, David schedule, at PW torch. David cast dot com. That's not. Okay. I think that was good. 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To save you money when you've got a job we're on the job. The Home Depot. More saving. More doing. Page 'em jail. Joe boy, Jimmy havoc your thoughts on this. Jason what, what should people look for in who, who are serious top tier? Stop potential stars in this group, and who are second tier stars because this is like I said, largely ABI show is this just sort of spot fest, with with hangman page atop guy, and then sort of some next level down guys or is this a showcase for someone to establish themselves as being in that top tier? I think this is that needs to be the hangman paid show when all of a sudden done, he's the guy who's going to be facing Jericho for their championship at, at all out in September. I mean you can have a Finnish where somebody else pins. He just doesn't actor into the finish. I wouldn't I would put page over strongly. I think they obviously like jungle boy, I and but right now he's any, you know, he basically featured in their videos. On the shoulders of Lucia source. So I would say right now, kind of undercard lighthearted stuff, but I think there's real upside, their long-term, Jimmy havoc is primarily been more of a hardcore garbage style wrestler. He's good at it. He's, he's a good character. Is good talker. I just couldn't remains to be seen where guys like him. Enjoy genetic gonna fit in on this roster. An Jamf is a guy that I think I mean he's what twenty three I don't quote me on that. I know he's in his early twenties really talented talker, and I think he's a guy that they need to focus on is being a long-term star. I don't think he's ready to be in that upper mix just yet talking lies he is. But I think in time he's going to be a real player for this company. What did you think about what they did with them at Dublin nothing? I know he came out in the title ceremony things that what you're talking about just the, the, the Mike work, and the presentation, like it, it, I felt like a window that he showed off his strengths. But it went a little long and. It felt like it diminished him a little bit defined him down. A little bit from being on the path to being seen as a serious guy, as opposed to a little too much Santino or, or, you know, not quite a maybe a MS when he's not in the Mehtab at mix, I, maybe that's the right role from like that. I'm not even sure. But does that seem with roster depth that they have that you want to be kind of setting the tone that maybe he's not someone you should take particularly seriously? I wouldn't they may look at it as you you're gonna go talk, you can get under people's skin. It can get his heat back. You know, you know, he doesn't have to be that guy right now in time he grows into. I, I like when w was done with him. They have minute faction with the Alex hammer stone and Richard holiday, and he gets to do the bulk of the talking. They're just kind of your ritual brat boy, almost vaction that they have going at any. Any bitch really nicely with that kind of the face of it. And I like if they introduced the secondary championship, I could see him being in that next for sure. Yeah. The SEO best friends, private party. That's on the pre show winners. Earn a shot at this company that they would've Josh at all out for a first round. Bye in a world tag team championship tournament. So explain the step, and then tell me what you think about your asking me to want to challenging you to explain what that will mean. Okay show. They're going to have a tournament once. They start on TV to determine the first Awa came champions. I believe, and at all out is going to there's going to be a match where we don't know what match it is. But we ever wins this match is going to qualify for that match. And then that match will determine who gets the first round by now. That makes sense it. No. You got it. You did it. And it makes a little more sense, than Nikki cross telling management, if I b. Bailey give a title shot to my friend who just lost her that, that really needed a Stephanie McMahon. Shane who get upset. But it's gonna be raising hell basically that night I'm going to just don't, don't cross him almost needed that conversation to explain it like we ever, the he'll with already figure is they do like Alexa. Yeah, we can do this. But without that it was kind of a messy right disenfranchised with rod smackdown live every single week. Of course you are. You're not alone. Those shows are chasing away viewers in droves. Somebody even say the shows were as bad as they've ever been just why. This is a great time to get on the Solomons sounds off podcast why. Because I watched rod Smith then every week. So you don't have to. But I also get to watch a lot of great wrestling from an XT and various other promotions. AWS is a fun time with eighty w coming soon to TNT. It's never been a more fun time. Still to be a wrestling fan. Lots of great stuff out there to cover. I also take male big questions from my audience listeners. We talk about classic wrestling content, as well each and every Sunday, the podcast drops on itunes Stitcher. Spotify iheart radio at all major podcast platforms that Solomon, Stor sounds off each and every Sunday on the Sullivan stirred dot com. Of is we talk about, neither Rosarito and Yuka sake. Yeah. So the bulk of my exposure is to nine rose, which isn't much. Yeah. She was on the last show and I it's I am looking forward to win. They get down to singles matches with women on last time I was really looking forward to seeing what they would do with Nyla in that match was brick Baker. I can't remember who else was in there. Gosh. The, the Bailey lake character. I'm just struggling to thank for name, but they, they right. Yes. Thank you. But awesome Kong shows up and basically, replaces Nyla, as kind of the bad ass monster, just like that. I mean in Iowa was just overshadowed by awesome Kong. So I think this is kind of a chance for her on Reijo a believe goes way back with Kenny omega. And so, yeah, I mean, I can't say I know much about soccer sake. And I guess that's the thing with this match is I hope they do a good job of showcasing the personalities beforehand, and don't just put it in the hand of the broadcast team to, to explain as the mattress happening who these people are, and why you should care. That's that's the thing. I mean, there was two there were two there was too much of that on, on double, or nothing. And I think it's show with stronger if they subtract, some, some of the wrestlers, and this show is leader. You know, I mean in terms of them, there's not that I mean, there's a four way. And there's a there's a three way was Maja four-way men's match a six man tag and a three way tag team match. So it's not like it's all one on one or two put it feels manageable. You know, unlike. Double or nothing which felt like everybody's invited to the party and at the expense of, of viewers, who I think, in ending else team, whose heads were kind less spinning points. So, yeah, I, I want I want to see them. Give us a sense on this show book in this match. But also in what they do to establish the personalities in backstage segments, who let us know who the top tier women are expected to be the top title contenders, and who are just a, you know, along who are around trying to reach that stage. And I think you want you wanna viewer to watch fighter fest and have a pretty good sense of the tiers of your company. Here's top tier men and women. Here's topped your take teams. And then there's these others who are spiraled. You be more or they're lower card, and that should be made clear, not with a chart, but just by picking it up through the way that they're portrayed in presented mostly through making it clear, who the main eventers are by portraying them as big deals, and talking about them as big deals with some facts tobacco up. Yeah. And. On the undercard with the pre show match. I really looking forward to private party, a, you know, I've heard a lot about these guys, the boxing, genuinely excited about them and they could be players in the tag division. So it'll be cool to see how they position them. You know what everything from what's the entrance like tell you just how much their showcase do? They go over in this mashes. I would expect and I'm also hopeful that someday. That's friends, the act will be more than they hug in the middle of every match. That'd be nice. Yeah. And it certainly needs to be if you're going to be on a weekly TV show. Yeah, it wasn't in ring of honor. But then again, they never got a chance to speak in ring. A Boehner, it seemed like so who knows we considering about her having a weekly TV show? I mean they do tech new, but it's, it's, it's approached in a different different ways. So, yeah, that needs to change. That's part of their problem. I mean, they will put on good pay per view events. I don't doubt the best in the world will turn out to be a very good show. But who's watching it? There's, there's no buzz surrounding that company right now their you know their numbers are down as well. And they just treat that they've gotten lazy again, your television show, there's just a one week. You had a tag team match between two teams from new Japan and the main events lot. You know, they're, they're they can find room for she'll be shadow squad on the show in a match against three other baby faces, but they can't seem to do deliver really good strong, hyper their pay per view event. They chose to just spotlight. Jay lethal. And Kenny kings, best of three series, the last two weeks, and the main events slot ahead of Matair even and Jeff Cobb which is the main event of this show on, they're just, they're they have a real issue right now with that television show. I it's, it's a it's a great outlet. And I don't I think they're complacent. I don't think they're taking it seriously. Just bills. When I watched that show, I feel like I'm seeing a product that most weeks, not all, but most weeks, they're just trying to get through the week. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll talk about Bessemer coming up, but a back to fighter fest. You talk a little, you mentioned Christopher Danielson Shema really even passing how about that matches at where does that fit down on this lineup and where are those two on the depth chart. Where would you have them slot at, in terms of are, they guys who visit main events where where's the where's the role for them on TNT on a weekly show will remains to be seen with with Daniels? I think it's primarily going to be with us. She you on. You know, he's not getting any younger I it's amazing that he's still able to do what he does at his age into when people bring up things like should there, be a mandatory retirement age, when when the after Goldberg and undertaker I point to Christopher Daniels, and say, no case by case basis on the guy can still go Shema. I believe it memory serves. He is going to be facing Kenny omega in the main event of the. The fight for the or I don't know if it's a main event, but in the at the fight for the fall and show on a believe it's out event. So I think we're going to spotlight him pretty well, they all see him as a legend, they all have really good all the main players in this company, have really good things to say about him, whether that, you know, once they get to TNT, I mean if they if they spotlight him kind of remains to be seen, but I think you're going to see him. Get a pretty big build up here on in this match heading into that match with omega. Yup. And then they've got the other pre show match. Michael nakazawa. Alex Jebali your thoughts on that. Yeah. So LSU you Bailey is the promoter of the video game event that this is tied in with and they featured him in. I think it was one of the videos that Cody puts out on his YouTube page road to fill in the event in this case fighter fest. And he talked about how he did some training. And he I think he blew out his achilles. And he wasn't able to show off everything. He learned last year. So he's hoping to do it again. I, I. They make me eat my words on this. But this is one I would have had it's dark match. I, I mean, maybe I'm underestimating the appeal of Alex Bailey because I'm just not invested in that world. You know, in so that it's very possible. But for me, it's just like this is really what you wanna put on the show. But we'll see how it goes. I think one of the things that AWS has to balance is being irreverent, and culturally, plugged in and at times, not taking themselves too, seriously, and balancing, that because that's a lot of that is what being the lead is all about and balance that with not seeming like amateur hour like kids with a camcorder so to speak trying to dated reference here for kids with camcorder Doina public access TV show and you don't wanna come across that way, that you're just some kids, creating YouTube video for fun for your friends to see and that's a balance to strike. You don't want to be so stodgy that you don't have fun. But you also don't wanna look like you're just a place for celebrities to have a markup moment or or sponsor partners have a markup moment or or. Things where it's like super tongue-in-cheek, we're not taking ourselves seriously. And then, but now we're gonna shift sharply to something where he wants you to take us really seriously. I that's, that's my main. I won't say worry, but my main area of curiosity with AWS. How do they balance the roots of what they were with what they need to become? I think to be seen as major league in the four a massive group of fans, the, the, the better dominant Nash, international bread. Yeah. Get not Wilshire. And again without knowing what this guy's all about what he brings to the table, or they're going to be extra people tuning in, because of this. I don't even if they aren't doesn't mean they're going to be hooked on AWS alling under not wrestling fans. Maybe again, if there's great appeal for this guy that I'm just unaware of because I'm an old man Soviet. Yes, but they need to have a density to their brand, and, and make sure. That the early impression they give I mean, there's plenty of time to correct course to. But I would say, ideally, kind of had to speak it out. And, and in let fighter fest, be again, for the people to watch it and the people here about it people to watch highlights to people read about it the people like I want to hear what the buzzes, don't put stuff out there, that's going to that's going to either create a reinforce some negative thoughts about it. That could turn people off. Granted we're acting like this isn't a company that did really good bye, right, for double or nothing. That doesn't have, you know, like massive ticket sales and could've amazingly perhaps fill the stadium for for all out. So men may be I think that gets overplayed, I explained your jammed system for that. Well, I mean look, I'm not trying to downplay the numbers if they're all legit. That's awesome. But you're we're talking to think sixty thousand was the number that is kind of pulled down to my staffer pro wrestling dot net. Jake Burnett is an IT guy, and he knows a lot about these kind of things he'd thinks that. And they're still, you know, they eliminated the, the box in some cases, he doesn't think they, you know, you, you can't trace all of them in terms of botch being used to bible number of tickets and things like that. So that may have accounted for some of the numbers, then you're also looking at well, if you're going with four French, you're all trying to get in to get the best tickets at the same time. So there's some of that going on. And it just I, I don't know. And then let's face it, if this is in a stadium are all those people are going to have interest in, you know, buying. Okay. Couldn't get in, but I can sit in the nose bleed section who knows? So I'm not trying to downplay it. I think is really good interest in this company, and I'm excited about it. But I do find that to be overplayed. The early indications are they've got this really good core fan base, where, where are you with the feedback the anecdote all end and hard metrics and controversial metrics like you described what I mean. What's, what's your, it's sort of, like predicting who's going to win the Super Bowl before, you know about injuries or training, camp or even free agency or the draft is like we're really early in this. But what's, what's the viewership prediction for you right now or for the first show, what is your over under it is? I am prefacing it by saying it's super early, and who could possibly know but, like what number one surprise you? What's that range and put in perspective? Raw rows third hour. Two point one two million. I started two point three eight million smackdown. Covering a little below two million most weeks is one million the over under four you is eight hundred thousand is one billion it is because the thing. AWS first show is going to have going for it. And some of those, you know, hopefully they maintain this, but early on, it's an event it really is. It should be more certainly more so than Ron smackdown issued be DVR proof. People are going to want to experience this live. Right. And so, even if people are dire, WWE fans and their online complaining about Awa marks. They're going to watch this. I, I don't care what they say they're gonna wanna experience this. And so, I think there's a lot of people that we know we're watching WWE clips on YouTube and things that aren't watching the television show. The wrestling fans I do. I mean, I plus the big question I have, what's the marketing push for this, babe? I, I haven't been impressed by what they've done for this event. Maybe they feel like they don't need to or, because, hey, we're giving it away for free. We don't need to go all out for this. We're saving it for TNT at. So I wanna see what TNT does marketing lies. I want to see what e does marketing wise. That's going to be a big factor in whatever number they draw to. Okay. Yeah. I'm writer along with you. I was thinking one million was a little high a month ago. Now I'm kind of I would take the over on one million right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So therefore, my by definition, my, my over unders probably around one point two, but that's projecting that they're going to have some projecting. But with reason for to project that they're gonna have some really good support from Turner. And it's also projecting that, while w w when they when they debuted nitro they had a built in audience on W w Saturday night and still the syndication network to some degree. They have some, you know, they built in network with hundreds of thousands of people subscribing to being the elite and all that. But it's not it's not like eight hundred thousand people watching every week. This is not. You know, like where you go. Whoa. Sixty percent of people who watch being the elite watched NTSB success. No, they need like four times the number. But I think social media does have play here. There are. There's a lot of people on Twitter. There's a lot of people who aren't on Twitter, by the way, there's a lot of people on Twitter who know about eight w who are fans but like you said, they're going to try this out, because it's an event that I chose important nitro was a really good for show, and that's why they did really well the next week and the week after Awa needs to make a good first impression, you know, it is a TV series that has a pilot episode that needs to hook people and they, they need to take it seriously. And, and I'm and I'm sure they are. So I say, one point one, one point to sort of my over right now, based on the idea that, that Warner media is going to really hype the heck out of it. And we're also assuming the WWE I go, hey, I ever live takeover for free on will in the same night or something. Like that. I don't think they will. But I mean I don't rule out. Anything do it. Go for it. I mean, let's, let's have a let's have a fire. They can't do it every week. And if they do it every week awesome. I mean, like I think AWS say, bring it on. I mean, they've got the funds and there's only so much talent w w we can afford to sign and all that. So bring it up. I mean. Conversation with the Brian Fritsch between the ropes dot com on the boom podcast about it's not going to happen, most lightly ninety nine percent. Sure. It's not. But what if they ran Mondays in October opposite? Raw win. WWE has focused heavily on smackdown. Because it'll be launching on FOX at that time. I'm not saying I would do it. But had you asked me, this six months ago? It'd been like you're crazy. Don't do it now. I'm looking at it. The stats state of what raw has become an. Yeah. This week show was better. But just we're WWE's AC and knowing again, that they're going to be putting all their eggs in the in the smackdown basket that right out of the gate with that vox launch. They're vulnerable man. Yeah. Yes. I love it. I love it. I again. On the night football. But that. Watch it. But that's just me. I'm for fireworks. I'm for a, you know, it's like it's that's why I'm glad that this coming out and representing his company and saying, we're not gonna let everybody just beat us up. We're proud of what we do. I just wish highlighted the things that he should be proud of didn't act like he was oblivious to what people really complaining about indent aim down. So we covered that for awhile earlier. But I'm all for let's, let's go at it. No. It'd be very hypocritical events to go ahead with eighty w if you did that with an NFS one or whatever, or on the network because Vince was one who wind to me about why Stitcher. It's going Monday nights. It's predatory practices. Of course, the counter argument to that is survivor series was created solely to be a star Cade killer, as a thanksgiving, pay per view with a bunch of throwaway, tag matches that he didn't think would hurt attendance at live events because it's just a bunch of elimination takes but it was it was it wasn't meant to be a super attractive show or a great format. It was meant to leverage cable companies into not caring stark aid, and grouping it with resume. So it's like there's such a hypocrisy with Vince. I wouldn't for a second thing. He would do it or that triple, h wouldn't talk him into it. Well, let me add to that. I mean, hey, an extreme tonight is Wednesday at seven central eighty turn if that's when they end up in a day, if that's where the TNT show is going to start with all elite wrestling. I mean for all we know like NFC's gonna end up on that best one airing opposite on Wednesday nights. And if you're WWE go. Hey, that was her night in and they'd be shooting straight, if I don't think we're going to give away a takeover VIN live on FM, sworn or anything like that. But I don't rule out that there could be competition on Wednesdays. They gotta be careful what they start giving away of annex, t outside of the network because I think that I think annexed tease content. The weekly show on the takeover specials is a bigger part of why people retain their subscriptions consistently around. Then I think a lot of people internally, WWE or other than triple h and a few people at NFC are willing to admit to. Here's. Counter to that, though. You. Okay. So I wouldn't giving away takeover events. But if you do have the weekly television series on s one, you're exposing it to more people, and you're hoping that they're going to be invested in that product. And go man. I want to order the network for that takeover special. And so I just don't think you're gonna lose people who enjoy takeover. They may find less value in WWE network. If they're really plug into next he only but I don't think the number so great that you can't make up for it by putting that weekly show out there and driving people to see your takeover specials, especially with the word of mouth about how great those shows are. So I, I really I don't think it's an issue. I think that there's enough content on WWE network aside from annexed, t that. You're fine. You're the they should be happy to get another programming fever. Annexed t I don't expect it to be Rauch MAC down. Like, but if I'm a network if I'm at best one, I'm looking at this. Going. And unfortunately I think they have that many people who are really plugged into wrestling going. We paid how much for smackdown, but we can get an X T at a reasonable rate. Let's, let's lock this in for five years. Know and I'm with you, I think if you have hundreds of thousands of people watching next you because it's convenient on their cable system, and they're not streaming people or they don't wanna pay for wrestling, and then they get hooked in the order the network, which they didn't think they were going to do because they love annexed because it's a great product and they end up wanting to watch the takeover specials. Yeah, it can be a net gain. My, my worry is that they could even move takeover specials to f s one, which is looking for programming. And if they start giving away that stuff through means other than WB network on a big scale. It's the combination of both of those where all of a sudden, they're like, why don't need to get the network to keep up on everything annexed t is doing and watch it live in a convenient way. That's where I think there has to be some, you know, some some, but they could expand the quantity of annex t live events, and do more of them, and I think they could survive doing that, but you do the start running the risk of over. Exposure, annex, t consistently leads people wanting more and there's very little out there that does WB does not ever leave people wanting. More, you know, like I mean. Two percent of the people want it non stop in their life. But you know what I mean? There's diminishing return. So that's, that's my concern. No jolie. I wouldn't recommend doing that. We sides Wade if they if they did that every takeover match would be best with three falls with second and third bowl opportunities. Yes. All right. I spent a lot of time on that back. But I want let's, let's do a sidebar on this. The restart in reset reset and restart line was curious. You know, when they first did it like wait, you stopped the match y and that now we can tell in retrospect, it's because they're finding excuses for not having action gone during the commercial break. I was against that against action like wrestling match cutting away from us in matches it feels like you're diminishing, the value of the main reason. Everybody's gathered it's to wrestle and find out who the best is, and they don't cut away from hockey in the while the puck is in play new soccer is it's tough to commercialize because goal can be scored at any time, but you can't afford to cut away from it to go to commercial, but there aren't stoppages an action. It makes it a great live viewing experience and a good TV experience, which you have to find other ways to, to make money than the traditional baseball in between innings or football in between in between drives. So it seems like Vince is suddenly come around to this after like decades of. Not thinking that was the least bit important. So that ended up itself is weird. But then you have this forced overreaction of, well, we can't possibly just because like I said, on the smackdown post show with Greg parks. Well, here's the solution. Because somebody called up says, how about they do this, and that they do that. And like no, this is what they do. There's a doorway and you want to get to the other room you walk through the doorway. This is not complicated. You don't have to bury a whole you don't have to invent a hovercraft. You don't punch a hole through the wall next to the door you walk through the doorway. That's a solution to get from one room to the other winner doorways there. So my analogy for that is you don't want to interrupt matches then have a ring a to go to commercial comeback. Do the ring entrances bring announcements have people wrestle for eight to twelve minutes. And then you go to a commercial break after that it's simple. You don't need to falls. You don't the thing is that they need to trim the stuff before. And after that, they because they think they can't just have a whole segment. Be a whole match in nothing else. But you can you like really can do that. Have promos beforehand has sound bites and get people excited about the show him backstage heading to the stage, but do ring entrance, and a match and a finish and then go to commercial and then follow up on it after that commercial. It's super simple. But they're so hung up on this arbitrary kind of stupid rule that, well, you can't just have one thing in between commercial breaks, you need have all kinds of stuff going on. No. You don't. No, no. I'm totally with you on this. It doesn't it is Vince McMahon's approach to this is just so flawed. I mean, we saw the WWE champion, take a super kick and be pinned in thirty seconds in the second of the match ridiculous. It's it is. So I think for me, it's like what you're saying if they're hell bent on doing this. That's the way you do it. Why can't you have a happy medium? Seriously? I mean the audience has been conditioned. Yeah. People grumble about it, and I love the way access TV is able to do that. Realistically, I don't think USA network and all their international partners gonna let them have twenty five minute matches with no commercial breaks. But the audience has been conditioned that it can happen. You know. And you can kind of apologize, your viewers almost when you're going to break, give us a happy, medium where sometimes there's gonna be a long match. It doesn't have to be all you wanna have brief matches throughout the show like you're saying eight minutes or whatever cool, but. Don't leave me watching a match and I'm excited about AJ styles and ricochet don't give me excited about it. And then deliver some quirky restart. The takes the crowd completely out of it just go to a damn commercial brick. It's okay, give us a happy medium on this. It is. It's, it's a such as it's like walking through doorway to get from room to the other. This is not a hard challenge to, to a this is the solution is so simple this they, they they're bending over backwards. And oh, we need bunch of two or three falls matches suddenly and we're gonna do these quick, and it drives me nuts. Like you're like I said, on the post-facto. It's like suddenly you start watching a baseball game and start watching baseball regularly, in games are ending like forty seven to one, you know, like what, what happened. This is not how baseball works or if suddenly you're watching the NFL in every game is like three to, to like, wait. Didn't there used to be like suddenly, they're just changing the way wrestling works where top stars are losing quickly in only investor three. Foam matches and there's nothing that should lead to a first fall of a two of three falls match. There's nothing inherited that, that should lead to a consistent ninety percent drop in how long the first of all as compared to a straight up regular match that on occasion. Yes, someone's going to submit quicker. Tap out quicker and live to fight another day in the second and third, third fall, but no one's going to lay their shoulders down on purpose and get pinned earlier to preserve their strength. That doesn't make any sense, so they haven't built in a storyline reason for it. It's just it just blows up the whole expectation of how, how competitive match should be with people. So I see this as unsustainable. I don't think you can continue on the other thing. That's unsustainable is Tom Phillips, saying, it's a second fall opportunity. What in the hell is a second fall opportunity? Why are they injecting the word opportunity? It was already ridiculous. How often they used it. But then like who who hears that? And goes. Yeah, that's a good thing to add in. Here's why I can't. Imagine the argument for it. It's so bizarre sounding. It's been speak, you know, it is I mean this has to be coming from him. I can't imagine Tom Phillips, which is coming up with this on his own. I it's just weird, Vince McMahon speak and opera -tunities been a big one for him. We don't have title shots anymore. We have championship opportunity so that just screams, Vince McMahon. Well, Hello, torch faithful. This is Kelly wells, host of WT talks and x t every Thursday, you can hear me and my rotating group of annexed loyalists banter about the highs and lows of the booking the progress and young talent. And the big takeover matches Harley pageant provides annex t all time statistics. Tom stop shears thoughts from the live tapings and Justin James tells us, which talents will be wasted most on the main roster. Search PW tortune, apple podcasts, or your podcast app to subscribe, or listen on demand and see the entire Pete of you torch. Daily cast schedule at PW torch. Daily cast dot com. Jeers. We talk about says, in all the pushback, you know, hey, we have our schedule, and we have these good batches, and all that, what's doesn't understand, is. It's this kind of WWE's speak that people have more of a problem with. It's the idea that everything it plays into what you're saying. You know that we're told what to say and how to say it and people speak a naturally, and that's way more of an issue. And Seth can't dress it. But this kind of thing, it was just a ridiculous degree this week. You watch, I it's it's been Vince McMahon for, here's now going back to sports, entertainment, and all of that. I, I just don't know that he's ever going to change. I wish he would. I think it's silly. I'm sure I just wonder how much I I've been told he has like the world's greatest poker face. But in closer close quarters. I just wonder how much Paul just rolls his eyes. I, I wonder if you actually pulled out that long hair, and we just we ought to shape it. Vince is now not cutting away mid match for commercial break. So I am holding out hope that we could also see in end to WWE speak, but I'm sure he'd find a way to screw that up to. I don't even know what it would be. Yeah. All right. So as we've been recording the show, we have a breaking news that the tenth anniversary show is evolving. How would you how would you their affiliate of WWE? Are they like a feeder system to annex t like how do you how do you categorize what if all is now? They I I'm sure there is some element of feeder system, the way it was explained to me was that basically WWE wanted there to be a group that was out there for tallying on. They can only take on so many people, and they wanted there to be an alternative to ring of honor and other companies that they had an affiliation with. And so they've struck up through deal with evolve. And so we have seen some talent have short stays in evolve. I think Shane Strickland was one of them before moving onto annex t just to give one example. And then annexed he will is now send they're gonna has been for a while their talent to evolve shows like the street prophets were one where there's only so much ring time that talent can get an x t when it comes to how shows and things. So let's send some of our talent to evolve for more seasoning. It helps evolve and helps us. And that's kind of been the relationship and at first they weren't allowed to like, if they sent a name from annexed t to evolve. Show. I even if they wrestled on the show, they couldn't air it on their live paid review stream on. I think it's WWF network or club WWF, but the WWE loosened up on that as well. So now when they said and it's been this way for at least a year, I don't know. I'm bad, what times, but when they send somebody to an evolved show, it same Adam Cole, he ends that his match will air, on the all show on the on the pay per view stream, so yeah, and gave us a Polski working with. He's the Booker for revolve. And he obviously is working with annexed, he is, well, you know, they're not trying to hide any of that. But yeah, there's clearly a partnership there. And minor standing is like they have an official deal. And like with the progress wrestling is one and I believe I see w over in Scotland, I think it is another group where they have partnerships, you know, contractually with WWE to eventually, get their product up on the WWE network, perhaps whenever they moved to tears. To the tier system in the press release they just describe evolve as or this is triple triple h is quotes, the only context what evolve is. I'm sure a lot of people reading this, like what what's this about? And even in the about section of the press release they don't go about evolve go about WWE and we got the generic Dodi be summary. So they're not taking ownership. They just have triple, h thank evolve was the birthplace from any current WBZ NFC superstar. So it's only fitting that their tenth anniversary celebration will be showcase live onto it would be network. So that's all they say to put it in, in context. So this is where it's interesting. Is this is going head to head and including overlapping timeslots with fight for the fallen the July thirteenth, Awa vented, Jacksonville, Florida? I'll root of eight w to preemptively counter evolves, tenth anniversary. Jason. I I it's all just one big coincidence, from WWE. I'm sure we had the date booked, and all this has been set in stone for well over a year. I'm guessing we're going to be hearing some of that on the next poll that conference call. But maybe not maybe they'll just, you know, we're running our show. They're running their show Soviet. Yeah, I mean if this is the, you know. The first shot fire that leads to an escalation. Yeah. I mean, like then, then what does Awa do. And that gets into what you said earlier. We're, we're things could go Hake w could go on Monday night for their first show just for fun before moving to Wednesday. I don't. Yep. This is just something to keep an eye on Matt, Matt riddle and drew dulack in the in the main event. So an annex t star. Searching for more great pro wrestling talk, then join me, Jason Powell hosted, the free, weekly pro wrestling, boom podcast each week. You'll hear the latest news and analysis for me, and my team and pro wrestling dot net along with other wrestling media members, plus the pro wrestling, boom podcast features long-form interviews with notable names in the fro resume industry. Subscribe, an I tune Stitcher downcast and all your favorite secondary apps. Or visit us directly at p w bloomed dot com. Once again, that's p w boom dot com. By the way, Jason, I'm really excited about the next month or so this breakout tournament is really cool. I want to see you know, mentioned chain strict. I wanna see the spin that they put on the t character refinement or, or whatever the presentation of some of these some of these wrestlers this is really cool. So it's a nice mix of diverse mix of, of names who have established themselves, otherwise at, you know, whether it's, it's Trevor Lee for instance. Shane Strickland even. MGM my head, who's the DJ's DJ say thank you to three letters. Yes. Indeed Jay Z get a makeover like this. This is. Sam Shaw like I mean, I'm excited about this. I think this is a really cool use of that exte- to have this kind of summer season of this influx of new class at talent. Definitely. And I think that is also related to annex or two eighty w the fact that they're back to you're getting a WWE name. I don't you know I mean because we've seen for quite some time now and they bring talent in you just get to keep your name, and in all of a sudden, they're back to that, where everybody asked to have a new name a presumably, so don't they do leave the the system. They can't DJ's e can't bring his WWE name now to all aid w which I mean makes sense to a point I guess I I understand it. But I do think it's related. I found that the timing to be very interesting there. But I think it's a positive for song. I like Jay Z. He's a wrestling DJ. I mean we'll see what his gimmick is. Maybe it's the same. But I I do think in some cases like, yeah, let's, let's, let's put a fresh coat of paint on some of the games at these guys have I've never quite understood what they're going forward with Shane's slurp Strickland. So I was kind of surprised to see. Oh he's still swerve. He just has a different name. Well, maybe you can get it explained to you Marlin. Allah will will tell us or national McGuiness will tell us. I hope so. Yeah, we really, really talented group of wrestlers. They had this going to be a lot of fun. Yeah. Yeah, it is. And what do you think? Damien pre so far punishment. I think we've only seen him what once television show and it was fine. You know, I thought it was he kind of worked like you would expect him to where I think it was wrong woman Mendoza, he was facing memory serves whoever was got some offense in, but he never was able to take him off his feet even when he sent him to ringside the old. Punishment. Martinez still lands on his feet, which, you know, he, he, he did a nice job of that sort of thing early on in ring of honor as well. So I don't think that styles is very new to him. I think, and I, I think really talented guy. I always kind of worried I was surprised basically when I saw like when he was first starting to ring of honor his age. I mean this, this is not a young man. He looks, it would it not a young man. So I would hope that with this is, and with his background, you know, they'll find tune him in next team, maybe for a year, and I think he has made roster written all over so fun, fun time in annex t I like when we see a new class of, of talent come in and refreshing because one of the things that keeps an X T fresh, and it wrestlers are on this journey. Some are going to make it today roster who who's like your is there a blue Chipper in this group or is it? Let's ask me in a month. Let's see how these guys do in the next he's setting who jumps out to you in this. Group from their prior experience, as someone who you're like. Yeah. Watch them closely because in a year, give or take they're going to be on the main roster. And a major player on let me take a look at the Barack it again because I don't have the names handy, but I can get them any other time. We Kapiti comes up immediately, but not today. So we'll go to some other site and hope for the best on this. I guess so I mean I didn't I don't know that he's main roster bound by can't miss on the main roster. But I I'm really looking forward to seeing what they do with the Trevor Lee. Yeah. Impact just completely dropped the ball there. Let's see here. And of course, I get the one that doesn't have their former names. So we have angel Garza, who was they listen is in Burto, Garza, believe he was guards at junior brought before this talented guy. Don't know much about VO, I don't know much about Jona rock, who is now Bronson read, but I think he has. I, I can't get a Bill just from the pictured. How tall the guy is. But he's certainly a big thick dude. Fence would love that Cameron Grimes is what Trevor Lee is going by now. Sam show, I think is a talented guy who has some, some work to do in the ring. He's at thirteen year vet according to the bio, and I like I like the way plays the character more than I've liked his in ring, but this'll give I'm happy. It's getting an opportunity. I think. I do. I think changed Rickman is probably a guy even though I can't guy that gets a main roster run. At some point, even though I've never been, I've never quite seen in Shane Strickland. What the companies he's worked for have. He was the L W champion. And he's, he's been given big pushes wherever he's gone. It seems like I I see there's talent there. But I just an crowds love to sing it's his theme song. And w that was a big thing, but yeah, just I get the sense that he had like, but I've heard Keith Lee sort of has. I am a gift to annex t attitude that his holding back a little bit. And that might be why there's some starts and stops his push it shade circling. I haven't heard as much about him. But I got the sense watching that he kind of feels like he's pretty special if he is you got to show it not acted like you need to go out the liver. I think it's in them. I'm I'm no. He's throwing showing signs of that. But now it's time to turn it up. If you wanna have a lucrative career, there's no more pacing yourself or looking at the size of the crowd, or thinking about the promoter of what your path is going to be or thinking, I'm the biggest star in this locker room because you're not right. And I also want okay show like he's, he's been impressive in rank. He's going out and I've seen them have really good matches. He just hasn't connected as a character yet. And maybe some of that is just lack of opportunity. So I'm excited to see him kind of get a fresh start next. He is well in, in that area on just a rounded. Out here. Trying to think of who the let me get to the other two entrances, only mention DJ's e really talented guy again. You'll keen wild is the new name. And, and I hope he's not a wrestling DJ anymore. I hope he doesn't do that lasted. But yes that please, let the bromance thing die. But he, he for some reason kept doing that after bromance, even when he was a baby face. He does it everywhere. I don't know. People do react to it. It drives me insane. It just brings me back to bromance. And then Jordan miles, who was ACH very talented guy. I think one of the issues plaguing. This class is size in most cases when it comes to the main roster won't be an issue in next. He unfortunately, we know it is with bench. All right. Let's look at our awake and best in the world coming up tomorrow night. It's a Friday night show in Baltimore and then night to be the TV tapings, but we'll obviously focus on the pay per view itself. So made of it arch world title, Jeff Cobb taking on Matair even the Tabin title run is still kind of a common is could it turn out that he's a transition to just get the belt on? Jeff cobber is Jeff Cobb. Not being portrayed on the weekly TV show in a way that makes you think that's what's around the corner. I think they're committed to Ceva n-. They in people in the company speak very highly of him. They seem to have a higher opinion of him. Then most of their audience, does I think he I do think there's a lot of talent there. And he's toned down on some of the Melvin show that he was doing. I think Jeff Cobb is a guy that I, I, I would shake things up and ring of honor, I just think they need to do something. But, you know, case can be made that it's not gonna happen. Overnight. Let's drag this feud out a little bit. And what's worked toward Jeff Cobb becoming the champion? I think it can be a good view. I'll be disappointed if it's I'll tell you even goes over clan. When I don't know what cops contractual status is because I know he signed one year deal and around the middle of, of the year, and then there's been, I think he gave indications that he signed on for longer. But I don't know how much longer if it's if they just extended him to the end of the year because for some weird reason while actually I know why. Because new Japan, does it this way. So ring of honor must up his deal is going to be up at the end of the year or not. So that could be a factor here as well. I just don't know what is what is how long he's committed during honor for. And if he's not long term, they may not get, obviously want to go with him as there. Champion. Then we've got the world title, excuse me, the world television title, Shane Taylor and Bondo. Bure previous they've had a mashed before on television, I believe, and it was very good. I Taylor put him in there at the right opponent, and he can do some good things. And I think this should be a good match. They I think Bandido was in Japan and so they really didn't get to promote this, well, and oddly enough, I'm watching to go home show and chain Taylor, who won the television, title, not on television. But on, I think it was obviously in the streaming service or something. And we haven't heard much from on the TV shows. I'm like, here we go go home show, he's going to promote the match with Bandido talks about everything. But Bandido I don't think his name ever came up and I'm like, was this meant air next week after the paper because it was bizarre. He just talked about how Jay lethal has been the longest running champion. He wants to break that record, you have a pay per view match on Friday. Let's talk about let's nothing OB. So I don't. Necessarily blame him for it. It was just it's strange promo to air but yeah, I think that is going to be fun Bandidos, a guy that they really should be building around. Yeah. I don't care that he's a undercard guy in Mexico, all out of times people here. See him as a star when they see him. He's won over how show crowds that have been completely unfamiliar with them? So build around him flip Gordon and rush, singles match what's at stake here, Russia's unbeaten streak, and I, I'll I will be surprised if rush ns is unbeaten streak in this match. It's they're putting this one out there on their pre show for free. Now they did announce that they're doing a thirty minute pre show. I if you're somebody who watches on honor club, you may want to have another source handy, because just reading the, the what they put out here. Maybe I missed something, but it seems like it's hearing everywhere but honored club on the fight TV broadcasts, the pay per view broadcast. Maybe it'll air there, too, but yeah, I think this is Rouge going over. There's been taught that BRUCE'S kind of an old school dude in that he's not fond of doing jobs anyway. And that might be part of the reason why he still unbeaten but really talented dude. But he's, you know, he's property of Sierra, L, essentially, and so I mean, ringing Monterey has a deal with them he's going to be regular. But yeah, I just wonder how I I don't get the sense. They really know what to do with him yet. And where are you on flip Gordon, and where do you think our wages on him? You know, some setbacks kind of derailed some some starts and starts. Yeah. They, they took he had the program with bully Ray and it went, well, I think the idea was to kind of give him more of an edge. And I, I liked it, but then they brought it back at the garden and I kinda get it because lipid been out all that time. And so he didn't have another obvious opponent and it didn't go as well. And then the key may have been another guy who is in Japan. So they've really haven't been able to do much with him on television. He's kind of directionless at the moment. I think he's a talented guy. Really needs to work on the promos. Yes. Don't castle dragon late the idea here. Is that dragon Lee as Russia's younger brother and don't castle is still ticked off about losing twenty seconds to Rouge at the garden. And so rather than challenge Reuss to another match each. His brother to another match odd. Ragging is incredibly talented. I just don't for whatever reason when he comes to the states, I it doesn't seem like he is booked to his full potential Dalton castles, a talented guy, but I it's been awhile since we've seen him have a memorable match because he's had back problems. And so, yeah, it's, it's a kind of a question Mark, you know how healthy is Dalton? And if he is could be a good match. It's not an obvious high flying cruiserweight opponent. Like you're used to getting four dragon Lee. But yeah I'm curious to see how the match goes. I would assume that because dragon is kind of a he's not a regular that dulls probably getting the win here. What's your take on Jay lethal? Kenny, and Kenny king having singles, matcher the ads, the third match of a best of three. Yeah. And the idea was that Kenny king was blinded by. I think it was Muthu at Madison Square Garden with him hissed, and he was doing this bid, and it was very entertaining, especially I watched some of the shows on honored club. We only get to see it like once maybe on the television show when he would he would come out wearing blinders, and with a cane and get a woman that would lead him to the broadcast, table, and like things would happen in the ring, and he'd know because he's blind, supposedly he'd call the executive something completely wrong. It was it was actually very entertaining in small doses. But it all turned out, it was a ruse. I know this will shock you. He wasn't really blind. He was scouting Jay lethal. And now he beats him with his finisher in the first match second match. He decides he's going to walk out because he's not stupid. He wants to do this on the big stage when he beats Jay lethal, and it ended up being a D Q finish anyway. So this sets up the need for the third match. I, I think they've given this way too much time on television, like if it was a segment on the show, great. But to they had they had a four corner survival match two weeks ago. That had Jeff commented and he's the guy challenging for the title, and he ended up winning the match, but only because Kenny king interfered, or distracted Jay lethal. So there's it did nothing project Cobb who, then didn't appear on the go home show. It was all about. Jay, lethal, and Kenny king. And then they had the second match of the best of three on the goal home show. And it's like this is a mid card match. This isn't something. No one's buying the pay per view to see the deciding match. I'm sorry. So I yeah, it'll be fine. But it's a amid. Hard match. If you could pick if you're a WJ, lethal or Kenneth king to add to your roster. Who do you take Jay lethal because of the history? Kenny just hasn't quite connected. There's all it's always victors a little something missing. I was really looking forward to seeing what was going to happen with him an impact, they had kind of a new. They were building two and then he left and yeah, I, I mean, I think there's, there's a lot of talent there. But he just never quite lived up to expectations were Jay at least just because he'd been the know a major player in renaissance for so long. I think you can at least get something out of that. I don't age wise. I don't know if they're roughly the same or whether add, but yeah, I go lethal. Briscoe brothers taking on Nick all this end partner. Yeah. Cold Cabanas, which ultimately injured. He's going to miss this. I watched the NWEA video, or I thought they were going to name a replacement and basically just told you tune in Friday to find out. Uh-huh. So, yeah, I don't know who it's going to be, what do you think all this in this in this role in a tag match with the Briscoes amid I'd rather see Nick defending the NWEA championship against a good opponent. But they're kind of like the brisk goes had been anti NWEA's since the Crockett Cup. And so it's just kind of combining that I don't know if the ideas now the colts, I mean, clearly wasn't the idea. But maybe now that cold is out whoever they bring in. Maybe it's gonna lead to some friction in lendup being all this as next challenge or something like that. And I'm just guessing you're the only guy that's really been associated with them in the singles division recently that, that hasn't left her. You know that just seems like he's in good standing as James storm. He's been going after Colt Cabanas national championship. I guess it could be storm. If it's not, I'm not sure who it is a village, enterprises, mardi. Skirl Brody, king PCL, taking on lifeblood marquess concentrate. See Williams, along with PJ black, just good use of villain enterprises on a showcase paper, you know, there is kind of a day of an excuse because I think Marty was also in Japan. And so he wasn't at the television taping. Yeah. I who cares about the six man tag titles. I don't care about them in Japan. I don't care about them in ring of honor, and I like PTO and MAURICE girl, and Brody king, and I still don't give a damn about those titles. It's what a lot of names, you're pushing as part of this sort of class, two thousand nineteen in our way, chapter losing some, the w is this point a lot of guys into just in one match. That doesn't it's doesn't Freberg von Eric's like this doesn't feel like the best use of those names. No, it doesn't and they're, they're just stubbornly sticking with them. And, and they. Title changes and no one like the live crowd will pop deep down. No one really cares. So I mean, I think it'll be a fine match or some talent in there. But I just I don't care. It's not great use of MAURICE girl. But again, you know you didn't have access to him. He couldn't really build up to a singles match. So kind of understandable. Then there's the allure against Kelly Klein in Jenny rose. This has been a debacle. I just don't think the allure have connected the way that our wish thought they would have thought we'll bring them in. We'll be vehicle for Mandy rose and because of their impact history, and they don't necessarily fit with what we do in our division. It'll be good contrast, and they'll get some heat for it, and it just really hasn't gone, well, and some of the reason is that I don't have strong baby faces Kelly Klein was a keel until the garden show. They flipped her baby face. The original idea of minder, standing is it was going to be the three allure members. And then they were. Going to turn Kelly, and she was going to team with to kneel dash would and Madison rain and that may have met with Madison's history with the beautiful people that would have been at least a connection there. And but both Madison and to Neil dash would left ring of honor, and so now they're kind of trying to introduce Janney rose into this, and she doesn't really fit they just they haven't made me care about this. They had a they were going to have this exact match on television a couple of weeks ago, and they did the introduction for. Thank you. Maybe one half what you know one of the teams. And then when they came back from the break, they just showed highlights of the allure beating them up, and it was done in, like twenty seconds. Doc, and then the last match, I think, Silas young Jonathan Gresham pure rules match looking for to this. No, I if it'll be it'll be fun. They've spent a lot of time on TV with Silas, trying to heal without he's been wrestling in this mast guy named the squid and the same guy worked as L hotel squid. And it was like, you know, it's like they're just trying to be a little too cutesy with the, the ideas. Like silence is acting like he's this pure wrestler. And of course, he cheats, and then for some reason, so he beats the squid guy. And after both matches he lights up a smoke in the middle of the rain. And like okay, like I I don't really get it. But okay. I was can be entertaining but I don't I don't think they had Jonathan Gresham last taping, either, so they have all these patches with people who weren't at the last television taping. So I kind of understand to a point, but it's like maybe come up with ways to work around that and had mashed with people, you do have access to or shoot a bunch of promos at least with people that you that, you know, are leaving. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Plan more ahead. When you don't have one hundred percent USA, some talent and try to preempt some of the things that, that lead to an ink breaks in hype for matches that when you have a pay per view you want. You don't want to have those breaks you wanna have television. Well, that's a Chris Miller, TV show. But you want to have the TV show, actually lead to the pay per view, and be able to build each of the matches in a sensible way. Exactly. Yeah. Planet are cool. So do you recommend the show or is this on a on a curve for our away to one of the more skip -able shows average show? Or no, this this looks good yet this, I. Okay. So it's a big step down from the garden where they had in Japan and all at it. I the wage delivers it like if you're just looking for a good quality wrestling show. Yes, I think you'll, you'll be satisfied with your purchase, but the thing away has to keep in mind is that they're not just playing against WWE impact wrestling anymore in others, the, the show on Saturday night for free on Biard live, the, the fighter fascia that AWS doing next week new Japan on access on Saturday. And then on Sunday at the impact wrestling slam verse reshow just had stomping grounds. So there's a lot out there and there's, there's just no pizzazz here. Now, I do think that the company is aware that they're kind of in this rut, and they could surprise me trying to shake things up. I do get the sense that they know like, hey, we gotta do something. So maybe it'll be one of those turning point pay per views. That's the best I can do is just tell. You like aren't the ring work will be good. And maybe they'll, they'll shake things up. Yeah. Yep. Aren't very good. Anything else on the flagship chasing him out of touch on. I think I'm trying to think if we've missed anything but I think we've covered it all cool. So how could I forget my God? August sixth. The return of MS MS in MRs okay. Them or Joe show. I can't wake should be fun should be fun. Yeah. I'm glad he's not that end. People would be mailing us like crazy. Why didn't you bring that up? I can't leave. We didn't start with that. I know. I know. All right. Good. So checkout. Jason on Twitter at pro wrestling net. You gotta check out his website, pro wrestling dot net, and check out his podcast approaching boom podcast. Just search pro wrestling, boom and download the purple logo and you can get a showcase a Jason every week. You don't have to wait for him to peer every three weeks. Jason, thank you so much, my pleasure. And again, Friday, Bruce Mitchell, you guys know him. You guys love him. Well, you might not love him. But he'll. Will be there on the boom. So look for on Friday afternoon. Absolutely. 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