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027: The Most Important Time To Be Role Models For Your Kids with Dr. Leah Younger

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22:09 min | 8 months ago

027: The Most Important Time To Be Role Models For Your Kids with Dr. Leah Younger

"Hey, guys! It's STI, your host of life. podcast where people with all sorts of backgrounds challenges a life experience. Show US how they make their relationship extraordinary. Hey guys. We're here this week with Dr. Les, Anger, how are you? Hi, everyone! I'm good. Thank you for inviting me. Yourself and what you do sure so I'm the clinical director of my program called younger psychology. It's a private practice. We have one time clinician myself and another part time clinician. Most of our clients are children and families who are going through some sort of separation custody divorce, related matter, not all of them, but for the most part, and I'd say the two main categories of services that we provide our assessments and interventions, and we provide these services really running the whole. Whole Gamut of lifetime starting from little children couple months after birth through adulthood, and so we were with children that have all sorts of different mental health issues, relationship issues, parents couples who are trying to learn to get along and communicate that, and then of course, because a lot of these people are going through some sort of court related matter, some of the work that we do also entails collaborating with attorneys to help them understand their clients and the needs of the. The families better and you deal obviously everyone, but mostly it was like the kids or the couples on so so it really depends what service they're coming in for. Sometimes if a case comes to my office civically because there's a child that's having an issue, connecting or bonding with one parent, or they're resisting seeing another parent in a situation like that while the child might be identified as the problem blown. We're obviously going to work with the entire family system so that. that. Everyone is supported and given the guidance and feedback that they need, but there are times where only one parent will come, and they'll say that they want assistance on how to be a better parent. How To parent for the child that they have how to communicate better so in a case like that. We would just work with that. Parents who came? It really varies case the case, so then what happens if the other parent doesn't cooperate right? That's always a tough. So, it's going to depend on whether or not we're trying to work with everyone or exclusively trying to work with one parent something that's important to keep in mind is that when we're working with families going through separation and divorce, our role as mental health professionals will sometimes be neutral and sometimes the experts so as a neutral professional. I'm trying to work with everyone I'm not on anybody's team, per se, and in a case like that. Yes, we're trying to have in of the parents and the child or children, and sometimes that can be really difficult if child or parents don't believe the services needed. They don't want it there specifically against it, so you're. You're step. One is always going to be trying to establish a relationship with the people that are coming into your office, and it can be difficult that people are actively protesting and in a case like that. Then we just try to understand what do they want? What is a goal that they might be able to accomplish here in might not be the reason. They came where the reason they were sent. But is there something that they might find helpful some gain that they might stand to make an if we can find that that's a really good starting point. This is your relationship and trust. You're trying to understand their point of view exactly now. One refer them right, and that's one of the first gold really is about establishing goals so that throughout the course of the treatment or even the assessment we always revert and talk go back to what were the goals that you had when you first came in here? Are We on track? Are we off track? Is it now time to modify those goals based on life that has evolved the gains that have been made so far so everyone sort of always has the compass that is leading the. The intervention or the assessment? Why is it so important to have a healthy co parent relationship? It's a great question and I'm sure that a lot of the push for you. Ask Him that question is because it's quite well known that mental health professionals and legal professional than people involved in the community will always encourage parents. Get along, get along, get along co parents for the sake of the children for the sake of children but I. don't think enough time is spent like you're setting explaining why. And at the very the very base of it, we can think of parenting modeling re day of Your Life. You're modeling for your children. You're modeling how to communicate how to resolve conflict how to express opinion how to support someone else how to validate someone else's experiences. That might be different than yours, and so if you think about your parenting role as that if you're not able to show your children that you are trying to be a good co parent, then you're not really giving your children. Message of this is what you can do in your life conflict. So one big part of it would be about modeling and the importance of children having a good model to teach them how they can solve problems in in their own life. In addition to that, children will look to parents to see how to react how to cope how to respond to a situation. They can look to apparent NC. Hey, I know that this parent is really upset, but trying to stay calm. They're trying to talk peacefully. They're staying on target. They're staying focused. Focused I can try to do that, too. And on the flip side if the parent is not doing that, and then, when trying to talk to their own children, and then the child yells back and screams back as I eight. You why you making me do this? No surprise where that's coming from because the child probably saw it because the parent model that, and so we think about this, it's not just about modeling for the children, but it's also about teaching them `have. You can do to, and we can all as a family try to tackle this together I mean figure out how to talk without losing our cool how to cope with something that's upsetting us without acting overtly inappropriate or or hustle. We can figure out how to solve problems. Even when the person that we're trying to solve this problem with is very different than so the whole point is to teach yourself really and then to be able to show your kids a model for your kids. Even if these for your kids, you really doing it for yourself because you, yourself are going to become better person. I'm absolutely and I was just GonNa say that my focus is what is does for your children, because that's my line of work for the most part, but you're absolutely right that parents that are able to try to work on their parenting and they're co-parenting. Have this additional gain of Oh wait a minute I feel a little bit better. I feel a little bit less. Less stress Oh. Hey, I tried this new technique not responding to every Texan every email, the second it comes in I took a break. I walked away from the computer I came back, and then I was calmer, and of more coherent and calm mind, and that absolutely can be self reinforcing because parents will then realize. Oh, I feel better when I take this approach. So what's the hardest part about co-parenting? Hardest? Part is definitely going to be managing disagreements that have a lot of history to that, so if from the start of the relationship to parents have always disagreed on a particular parenting, style or philosophy, as time goes on in that debate, conflict, difference of opinion is not dealt with it'll only get harder to overcome that mountain, and more often than not that will serve to push parents apart as opposed to. And this is even more the case if the disagreement didn't start from the point of the relationship that goes back to each family's. Parents family of origin, so if one parent was raised with one type of culture and background and another way, raise the one. Even let they were talking about generals, for example, and then you come into a relationship with choose very different concepts of gender roles and parenting responsibility that can certainly make co-parenting difficult if it's not tackled as soon as it comes up the first time I think the other thing that makes co-parenting really difficult is ego, and no one's GonNa like this, and no one wants to admit it, but as humans. Humans we have a hard time, not being right. Everybody wants to be right, and their view is the right view, and they don't want to be wrong and many people will think that if I don't fight this fight if I give up. If I give in then I'm saying that I'm wrong your right. So how do you teach or portrayed to your client? So it's sometimes worth it to give in. It's not. Be Answer to that is that it's not about giving in. Sometimes it might be but more often than not instead of the orientation. Being I'm going to give on this one. You Win I lose I'd rather the orientation be? How do we solve this one together? How can we if possible come up with either a compromise or path forward? Where which really important to you is matt, which really important to me? Is that also it just looks different than we might have originally thought so it takes a lot of creative thinking to. To creatively problem solve all parts of their life hoped and thing creative everything after it's true and I think once parents practice it, and they start to get the hang of it. Hopefully, they'll come to realize that they still feel valued. Part of the concern of giving up or giving in is not only that they're going to be wrong, but then their view isn't valued. It's discarded. It's ignored. It's not giving importance, but if we can be creative about it and respond to each parents concerns that their own unique to them then. Then, that gives a sense of importance of yes, what you want is important. Your view is valuable. We just have to find a way to tackle it. Implement it so at what point in the process usually come in starring people, so which my practice it varies, some people will come at the outset before they even come up with a parenting plan had conversations about schedule. It's at the very beginning. They decided to separate, and they want the guidance of mental health professional to help them throughout the process process. Start to finish make. Make Decisions and take action that keeps the needs and developmental cast up children in mind so in a case like that. It's almost like early intervention. Because then we have the greatest influence we can prevent problems as opposed to other cases where families will come to me three years in three years of litigation three years of fighting. There's already a child refusing to see another parent then when they come and say okay, help us. It's a lot harder because we have three years of reinforcing problem to really be at any point. Solve the problems from before when they were married. problems during the whole divorce messy situation than now moving forward and I'm also the ones that come early on. They're more willing to be helped. They want the help or not really so to your earlier point about solving problems I don't know that we're always able to solve problems. That's what we're trying to do but more. More often than not I think it's about maybe reframing and taking a new approach so that we can come at it from a different angle, and where and when possible it's about prevention so teaching everyone tools and exercises that they can do to prevent problems from getting worse or from coming out and to your point about willingness. Certainly, there's something to be said about parents that. Unconsciously choose to seek out a mental health professional to get guidance if they are doing of their own accord more often than not, they're open to hearing what you have to say, but it's also not a guarantee, because if they then meet with the mental health professional, and they're not able to establish a good working report. They might not like what you have to say. And then they might not be willing to go along with it. Also sometimes clients will come into the practice with a certain view of their situation. I'm the functional one and he's the one that doesn't play. Play Nice and then when they come in, and you're working with them, and then you try to point out other perspectives. If you're not buying into their narrative and again, you don't have that working relationship, and they're not able to take other perspectives that that can also make their buying commitment difficult. Yes, I guess it depends on the situation. Would you say the top three things? Moco power relationship work well I really liked that question because my answer would be the same if you were asking about intact couples people that are together with or without children and couples that are part. Without children, but still have some connection and I believe the first most important thing to work on his always be communication, and there is all types of communication. There's verbal. There's not verbal. There's in-person. There's through technology, so we want to be mindful of what is it that you're communicating at any given point in time and on the surface, and what's below the surface because? Because, there's going to be two layers communication one of their little words that you're saying and what meaning behind it and when we talk about working on communication, I think the three ideas to keep in mind. Is that communication be focused? Think about what it is. You WanNa. Say and say what you want to say and try to avoid the OBA Osa this but. But also that and this is sort of related, but not really on topic, and this also sorted happened, but not really relevant to the main issue, because when you start to scatter like that, you lose your communication of your main message, so we wanted to be focused, and in addition to being focused. You won't have it. Be Goal oriented. What are you looking for? For from your partner. What is it that you want from them? In responses in action, you want them to take. Is it way that you prefer that? They respond to you? Be Clear about what you're looking for from the other from your partner, and in that way you're then offering suggested solution. This is what happened. This was how I reacted to. This is what's. Me This is what I would like to see have happened. What do you think about that and then stop talking and listen because then you have to hear back, but they have to say with an open mind, because if you really WanNa have a working co-parenting relationship, it's never just about one person talking in one person listening. It's because Luke that really should kind of go back and forth where both parties feel. Feel like they can say what they're looking for, but also listen and pay attention and respond based on what they heard so to sum it up top three. Be Communication active involvement, so you're not passive. You're trying to work on this and openness to what they're saying. Openness to what they're proposing openness to what they're trying to communicate you I think also said having the goal of what you wanted them then. Then you wouldn't be do know that the exit listen soon, not still mad at them. For not doing it. They are now going to act differently changes behavior wherever he wants right, and I have to say that for all of the things that we've talked about my feedback to you is general based on the general typical parent or person that I might come across, but do have to sort of throughout the. The qualifying statement that my feedback in my guidance obviously differ as based on each family's unique situation, and if there is a spouse or child that has serious mental health issues, conditions diagnoses special need anything like that. That can't be ignored. That absolutely needs to be factored in when we come up with a plan for co-parenting communicating and how everybody gets along, it really needs to be tailor-made to each family's makeup. Who could hear this, but your top successful story or something really interesting to happen to the client short so obviously. I, can't. I can't share any identifying information, so I have to mask this, but what I think we'll be the most. For your listeners. Is that this family that I have in mind? What what stood out about them was really how the parents got along. So it was a unique case for my practice for the most part the clients that I work with are high conflict, and they're embroiled in that and they're not really getting along that well, but this couple like you said before they started off with the intention of we understand that as a couple, we no longer work, but we will be these children's. Children's parents forever, so we have to figure out how to work as a couple. Even though we are. We are will be divorced couple, and what was really neat about that? Is it gave the message to the children that we always strive for with separating families that the parents are not together, but the family is still a family. You might live in two houses. You might spend time with one parent, not the other, but that doesn't change the fact that when we talk about family it. All family members not just a para that you're with and part of how they were really able to teach that to their kids is because between them to they really strove to respect each other, especially in front of the children, and not fight and argue or expose the kids to the conflicts that were coming up and part of how they did that was if the child ever asked for something, and there wasn't agreement on it between the parents both parents would say I hear you I know you want an answer to this your mother and your father and I are in the middle of talking about it. When we decide, we will tell you it's like. Family Yeah, yeah that's right and a lot of parents, and even other people in the community and professional than just people try to help. People will always say to me. is divorce good is divorced badge. Should we should we? Should we wait for the kids to get older? And my response is always divorced itself like as a word as a concept is just the action of changing. Changing course you are on one course, and now you are divorcing from that course, it can be a good thing. It can be a bad thing. It really depends on what the kids are exposed to and what their life is like, so staying together means that the children will be exposed to a daily barrage of fighting and insulting and mudslinging than what's the gain of staying together? But if they together as okay, we can actually pull this off and come up with a routine where we have clearly defined roles, and maybe we don't spend as much together time, but the kids will still have one house in one unit. If you can do that in great, do it, but I always encourage parents and other professionals that asked me when you make this decision. Really think about what will the children's experiences be like? Don't just decide. Yes, or no. Because what are people gonNA say again? Everyone says stay together for the children. Sometimes doing things for the children means doing it apart. US This question so I'd say that the highlight would be early intervention whenever you can wherever you can the minute that you have a concern or you think that something is going awry in either the parents apparent relationship parent child relationship respond to it right away. Many people like they have that feeling. They're kind of like I was a little different than usual. You're not quite behaving the way you used to try your best not to ignore. Ignore that reaction of yours and don't blow it out of proportion, but definitely respond to it whether it's something with your kid or something with your with your co parent. Because when you do that, you're not only doing your part of prevention. You're also doing your part of saying. Hey, I'm I'm with you I'm attuned to you and I recognized. Something's a little bit off a little bit different. What's going on? Are you okay? How do Do, I help you, and that can be one of the most heart warming things for both your Co parent and your child to hear because it really shows that you are paying attention to other people. This is not just about you. It's about others also now, so yeah, pay attention to the people around you be as responsive as you can, and that also includes paying attention to yourself. That's not ignore that because there are many people. People that don't do that and then a decade later after collecting over the course of years being ignored, nothing responded to not speaking up for themselves suddenly so overwhelming that interrupts and I don't think you're doing anyone a service by not paying attention to yourself I'd say that most of life is about a balance, a balance between attention to yourself and attention to others a balance between taking care of yourself and taking care of others mazing. Of, it's my pleasure, thank you for having me. 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U.S.-China Tariffs: Is There an End in Sight?


23:51 min | 1 year ago

U.S.-China Tariffs: Is There an End in Sight?

"Podcast is brought to you by knowledge award. China's announce it will raise tariffs on sixty billion dollars of US good starting on June. First this move is in retaliation for President Donald Trump putting twenty five percent tariff on two hundred billion dollars worth of Chinese imports while this will mostly impact business equipment. It will also hit consumer products such as clothing furniture and air conditioners, the White House chief economic adviser. Larry cudlow said Sunday on Fox News that both sides will feel some pain from this moving cluding US consumers this contradicts the president who said that China will bear the brunt of the cost. Meanwhile, it appears that the comments by both the president and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin saying trade talks went well last week and that negotiations continue despite the fact that no deal was reached in the eleventh round of negotiations between the two countries with the latest. We are joined on the phone by Marshall Meyer Merida's professor of management here at the word school and also by Jacques Talil director of the center. East Asian studies here at the university of Pennsylvania. He has also a law professor and political science professor here and deputy director of pens center for the study of contemporary China marshalls jock. Great to have you both with us today. Thank you, both good morning. Thank you. Thank you Marshall. This appears to be a little bit of tit for tat at this point between these two countries the impacts when you're talking about I guess two hundred billion dollars versus sixty billion seemingly are are. There's a great difference there. But it is something that I it appears China felt that it had to do. That's an understatement. Remember, China's got it. So food crisis right now, they're losing about half their pigs to African swine flu. And so not only do they need soybeans from the United States, but they're going to need pork from the US. And it looks like I'm not read these stories thoroughly that they're about to impose tariffs on a variety of US farm products. Jock your thoughts on this. We were seeing is kind of escalating trade war. The president said they're easy to win. But it appears that they tend escalates. I, and I think really there was almost no way wasn't going to happen. When the US ministration of the Trump administration announced that it was raising from ten percent up to twenty five percent. The existing tariffs on somewhat less than half of Chinese exports US and is now threatening to put twenty five percents. We're up to twenty five percents on almost all of the remaining goods Chinese. We're going to have to react in some way. The problem is they're sort of limited in the ways that they can react. So in a way this tariff on US exports. So actually part of US exports increasing the tariffs from ten to up to twenty five percent on sixty billion dollars about half of what the experts is almost the least they could do symbolically. I think the real pain is gonna come the resort to other methods, which within the Chinese repertoire, the word a moment when both sides have some difficulties economic grosses below where the Chinese like. Like it to be. It's pretty good by our standards, but they're facing some economic pressure, and obviously trade wars help on that front and in the US, we've benefitted from an economy doing very very well, partly thanks to the tax Daniels. And so the question is what's going to happen here as these higher tariffs that they actually fully go into fast start to have more significant effects on consumers, and possibly the broader economy and jock. We have a few weeks now between before I should say the G twenty summit and that was starting to be looked at as an important meeting. Anyway, where President Trump president gee would be able to sit down and talk. So I guess this. These moves over the last three days or so probably put a little more importance on that. I think they up the pressure the questions the the likelihood of a good outcome. I mean, I think both sides are now in a position where it's gonna be politically very tough to back down Xi Jinping needs not to appear to be caving, the Americans this sort of image of him as the the strong man, and the the wise leader and all that is is something he can't afford easily to give up and the Chinese response to the pressure. The increase in tariffs from the US side has been in the media and the social media platforms in China controlled by the government. And so on to push this kind of we will stand firm, we will not cave in. And indeed when we saw the latest falling apart of the process, which was over what the US described as China taking off the table certain concrete promises about how to change any law. The reaction China was released the way it was sold to the tiny public was the US. Can't tell us how to make our domestic laws. That's colonialism. That's extraterritorial reach. So the temperatures gone up a lot in some sense. Yes. The pressure is up because these terrace. Although on the books now won't really be put into effect for a couple of weeks and only applies that the tariffs. The US is imposing they only apply once things are shipped post that dates we got a couple of weeks before anything hits the docks here on the alert side and the Chinese they're terrorists go back until June. What so it's a similar arrangement. We have two weeks the pressures on. But so far we've had a lot of near deals that have never really turned into a deal. Marshall, your thoughts. My thoughts concern US domestic politics. This appears to be one of the few issues where there's bipartisan agreement we heard Schumer say democratic leader in the Senate Schumer say yes, we gotta be tough on China. Here's my deep concern. I'm worried that the Trump administration is being pushed on this by the alt-right the far right by the Steve Bannon's of the world and the agenda there is not. Not to relly economic the agenda. There is much much broader. I've got a quote here from Bannon. I heard him speak on TV a couple of nights ago, and I caught this on the internet and this is very very worrisome. It says, quote, I think ultimately success in is resumed change in China. And I realize in this regard, I'm considered a radical. I think the goal into China is simply to break the back of this totalitarian mercantilist economic society. Now, we go down that path we have huge problems. And I hope it's clear among Trump's loyal opposition that they're not endorsing this program. Right. Eight four four Warton is the number to give us a call eight four four nine four two seven eight six six or if you'd like send us a comment on Twitter at his radio one thirty two or my Twitter account, which is at Dan Loney? Twenty-one Marshall Meyer, America's professor here at the warden. Joining us on the phone along with Shaq Dalil from the university of Pennsylvania again, eight four four nine four two seven eight six six or if you'd like to comment on Twitter at biz radio one thirty two or my Twitter account at damn loan yellow anyway, Twenty-one shock. You mentioned a moment ago. Other avenues that China may be able to take to to have an impact what specifically could those avenues be quite a rich menu of tariffs are certainly part of the mix we discussed, and although China Sports more than two times as much the US imports from us. It's still fairly significant amount of imports. They could hit although they're wary of doing that for some of the reasons marshalls discussed, but there are a lot of other mechanisms for making painful to a US companies anti US export or so instead of terrorists, you can have a slow or extra probing inspections customs when goods you can have more zealous enforcement of any number of Chinese regulatory laws against American companies that are on the ground in China. Anna doing business so safety inspections licensing inspections. And so on we've seen this kind of thing happened before, and it's very hard to police because it was essentially select somewhat selective enforcement of legitimate laws on the books. There. Also have been instances where American firms have been quite frustrated about what they see as not fully fair scrutinizing of inbound investments acquisitions of Chinese firms by American acquirers Chinese claims sort of tit for tat for the way, we use the fiftieth process the committee on foreign investment United States to police Chinese investment. Well, you know, the claims on both sides getting fairly politicized and one could easily see that ratcheting up. China now has laws that resemble US laws, but are somewhat more flexibly applied to undertake national security and economic security scrutiny of of acquisitions investments Marshall and that vein US tools as well. Maybe the most powerful tool would be export controls. What of Qualcomm chips, for example? Did not go to China that have significant impact on their industry. Right. That was the problem as we may recall from the longest seemingly long distant past irritate ago. Yeah. The the almost face the death penalty when the Trump administration was going to impose chip exports, and that really would have killed the company, and you actually had very top level interactions. That is Xi Jinping. Asking Trump not to impose those expert restrictions on AT which were based on the violation of sanctions for exporting control technology to North Korean around. But Marshall while as you both have said that it appears that this is an issue that both sides of the political. I oh here in the United States. Believe is an important one to try and see if you can bring if you can make some significant change in terms of how China is approaching some of these issues. I think the question remains an and I think you both have mentioned this in the in the last few months on this show is how do you police it, and how do you make sure that they are actually following whatever changes come to pass down the road? I don't think the issue is policing. There's no way US, or in fact, even China can police closely unfair behaviour on either side, quite frankly. But I think the issue is what's the larger atmosphere? Like, what's the mood? Like are we working co-operatively or we sliding toward protracted conflict that could go beyond the economic room? And I think here the the better strategy right now is to kind of, you know, take a break step back from the brink and explore arenas where maybe US and China can cooperate. It doesn't garner headlines necessarily, it doesn't rile up the base, but it might make it possible to resume trade discussions on a. Slightly more amicable basis one of these areas, by the way is control fennel remember from the December meeting and Sary's that of the Chinese offered and Trump accepted there proposal to ban fennel, and they've since banned a lot of fennel derivatives, and I understand from my friends at they're actually taking action in China to shut down the production of fennel. I don't have this evidence firsthand. But this is what I'm told jock. You thoughts. I think Marshall points to what would be a good way forward, which is looking at those areas of cooperation, and despite the currently rather fraught relationship and atmosphere there are areas of potential agreement and the the certainly one of them both sides still have a stake and not decoupling the van and has a different view. But but the economies are now, so deeply interlinked trade board of Escalades is not really good for anybody had at scores even worse. It's those over into we're generally really bad relationship that's beyond economics. That said though, I think it's really not a good moment, and I wouldn't be terribly optimistic because the clock is ticking toward the US election. And I think there's been a lot of each side misreading where the other is I think the United States. The Trump administration has overestimated how much being tough on tariffs. We'll get China decay. But I think they underestimated the degree to which China would see that as a political setback to be perceived as deferring to me. To American demands. And I think the Chinese underestimated the degree to which the engage China consensus in Washington has essentially flipped one hundred and eighty degrees where there are people who are calling for new Cold War, and even people who are not calling for that are much more skeptical about engaging China, that's based than earlier misperception where a lot of people have been hopeful that getting China into the WTO engaging China comically, and so on would lead if not to Steve Bannon style regime change, at least would lead to a China that looks a bit more like politically and short of that that has an economic system that doesn't pose the kind of difficulties that we've seen that are underpinning some of the current frog relationship things like industrial policy that pushes hi-tech development, sometimes by acquiring intellectual properties questionable being sadism for state enterprises and things like that. Jacques we've talked with you in the past especially about two years ago when the idea of TPP was still in play. And obviously it is not right now, let's go back to that discussion for just one second. And where we are at this moment if TPP had moved forward, what kind of potential situation would be would we be looking at right now, I think would be better off. I mean, the TPP went forward without the US. It's now the TV right with and it's Mel largely led by Japan and Japan really stepped up and took this kind of leadership role for this quite liberal, quite deeply, integrating trains, and there to consequences of the US not being part of the deal. Probably more than two to come to mind. Are the US is now being shut out of certain Asian markets. Not completely, but it's it's doing less well because it's not inside of that grouping. And that's going to start to hurt some US companies, especially USX. Sports and service providers and things like that. But in addition, we have a situation where the US is not part of this block that it would be much larger included the US would create a degree of alignment between the US Japan and also on other significant East Asian economies. And what that would do is essentially create this block that China would be on the outside looking in on one of the goals eventually was to let China into the TPP. But only if it undertook the kind of economic reforms that would make it able to meet TV requirements and many of those reforms would serve the agenda. The Trump administration is now trying to push bilaterally so far without a lot of success. And with the result being this incipient trade war Marshall, just to add to what jock said there. Let's flip. This look at the China side part of TPP was to contain Belton wrote that containment mechanism is. Is not there and Belton road, whatever its flaws in. There are many as we've discussed on this program is still moving forward pretty rapidly. And we have no alternative to it at this point. So it consequences that US is trying to act unilaterally against China. It's hard to mobilize allies some of our allies, particularly in Europe or wavering. As to who's going to set the agenda for trade who's going to set the platforms for technology going forward. And so the US is in a weakened positions consequence. There is also the parts of the Marshall of the products that actually would be impacted by these terrorists that would be going into China from the United States. And obviously, it's a it is a little bit of a less impactful area than it would be from the products that are coming from China to the United States. That being said the agriculture sector seemingly has been the area that has been most impacted by the tariffs over the last twelve months or so how does the agriculture sector, and how do the consumer react to this particular round of tariffs that are put into play. I don't know. The Trump administration is promising massive subsidies. But what are you going to do with the soybeans where we're going to put them what use will they be put to? I don't think these questions have been answered and what we risk is a permanent shift in China's supply base because remember Brazil can produce almost as many soybeans as the US US may be the only real source of L if you wanna have dairy herds in China, but on soybeans they've got lots of alternates. So we we risk a long-term weakening of agriculture sector. And that can't be a good thing. Economically or strategically jock. I think that's right. I think the issue is short term versus long term consequences, and one of the reasons we haven't seen a big fallout. We haven't seen more reaction the stock market. And we haven't seen companies really start to move terribly aggressively to move their supply chain, which now run through China for a lot of manufactured goods. Is there remains some belief that some deal will be struck that everybody can live with right? We won't see this resort permanent tariffs or things or even worse than the terrace. We've got in place. Now, if that belief that this will get worked out because basically can't people can't believe that that she didn't paying Trumper gonna play Selman luby's and drive the car off the. Of the, but if people start to think, this is a lasting phenomenon. Then you really could see significant dislocations you could see companies relocating their supply chains. And some cases that's going to be moving production into China to avoid tariffs on goods exported from the US in some cases can be moving sources out of China to countries that don't face the terrorist. China does that could be very disruptive. And you know, it's pretty efficient global supply chain out there right now if you start messing with it for reasons that are not Richard economic fundamentals that are rooted in policy choices about bilateral trade wars that that's costly. So in the near term, we'll see prices go up. We'll see some impact on GDP the new tariffs. The trumps talking about imposing we'll be ones of will be more visible to consumers, it's on consumer imported goods. So, you know, holiday shopping prices will go up and things like that. You can whether it out in the short-term leads to a real realignment that significant consequence, and it's one to the US on the sidelines of global economy that has been very engaged with but one of the country. I heard today already that could be a country that could benefit from a changing global supply chain jock would be Vietnam which is looking to continue to build itself up right now. Right. And I think it will fella rate something that was already happening there that China no longer by LARs H, E labor production place. China's advantage is that it is reliable at adapts very quickly of. But it's workers are no longer super low way. It's enough. It's an upper middle income country. So a lot of the industries that still depend on cheap labor. We're already starting to migrate out of China. Vietnam was one of the main beneficiaries it's nearby. It's in some ways similar to the opted a regulatory model for export led economic development and foreign investment driven developments. Really looks a lot like China generation ago. Marshall, there is also in terms of products that China buys from the United States companies like Boeing, and and obviously they have a relationship with apple as well, which obviously could see an impact from this as long as it's continues on. There's always Airbus and Airbus doesn't have the seven three seven max problem right now, there's there's another issue, which is I think equally significant maybe of greater significance, and that's called cyberspace increasingly were dividing the world into cyber regions your cyber spheres, and this is mainly for purposes of security. We don't know how to have totally secure connections around the world to put that mildly. And you know, the big players are the US China you may want to add to that Iran for mischief North Korea for mischief the Russia. Of course, if quickly. Commerce is going to operate over cyber channels. And so as we begin to regionalize as we into set up fences globally. We're also limiting commerce in a way that has nothing to do with tariffs. So the de-coupling that's occurring in cyberspace is just going to be celebrated exacerbated by the Tara falls for putting up jock. I think right. The cyber areas becoming hugely important economically. And it's one of the flashpoints in the current US China conflict of cyber spying cybersex? I rest of things that so we're going to see I think more conflict on that front. There's always been a gap between how the US and China approach controlling this. The hater in that Sierra, and we're hearing things like Chinese running trying to running fiber off the cable ways that don't pass through seabed areas, US control. So there's there's a bit of de-linking of the infrastructure going on Marshall points out. It is interesting Marshall that at least some of the reports out there several days ago were that the talks that occurred late last week. We're ones that potentially. We're we're getting a lot closer to a deal, and whether or not they were going to start to even consider having some sort of signing ceremony in the future. So it appears that we've almost done a one eighty at this point. Yeah. And it's nearly inexplicable. Now, of course, as we know with in the Trump administration, there's been very very dramatic conflict between the so-called globalist and the folks who take a much more US Centric view. And appears the letter group has one maybe that just came to a head recently may be against these. Bannon whispered to Trump, I don't know why the US of suddenly got harsh on this. It is reported. Of course that the Chinese pulled off the table some commitments we thought they had met. I think anyone negotiates with the Chinese knows that often there are less minute changes. And what you do in those circumstances. Simply hold firm, but you don't necessarily escalate you just hold firm. We. Chose to escalate and we're now seeing the consequences of that gentleman. Great to talk to you again, look forward to hearing from you down the road terrific. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Marcia Meyer from the Wharton school. Marriages professor management shocked Dalil director of the center for East Asian studies here at the university of Pennsylvania for more insight from knowledge at Warton, please. Visit knowledge dot Morton dot U, Penn dot EDU.

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Finding Happiness at Work

Duct Tape Marketing

23:36 min | 1 year ago

Finding Happiness at Work

"This episode of the Duct Tape Marketing podcast is brought to you by Gusto modern easy payroll benefits for small businesses across the country. Because your listener you get three months free when you run your payroll find out a Gusto dot com slash tape. Hello and welcome to another episode of the duct tape marketing podcast. This is Jon Jansen. My guest today is Bruce Days Lee. We're GONNA talk about his new new book. Eat sleep work. Repeat Thirty hacks for bringing joy to your job so Brusca. Thanks for joining me. Thank you thank you so much having me so I'm sure you're familiar with the East sleep. Work Repeat meam on read it. I'm not in fact I I chose to talk uh-huh musical record but go on I. I was just going to say you weren't familiar with that. Then you're probably not familiar with the song by the ghost years. I guess is a no so mine was based on was a attract by the EDM artiste boy. Slim that Calvin in Harris the other idiom artist remix. And it's. It's an interesting wanted to go a long winding lyric. That's like a story and it's about a gentleman man who finds himself constantly at the club and and and the song is called eat sleep rave repeat and that was going through my head on a long commute and I changed it to eat sleep work. Repeat for my podcast and then subs in my book. Well there's actually a song by that name eat sleep word. Repeat by aband- a little known band. I'm guessing called the ghost years. So now you'll have to look all this stuff up I've given and lots of homework I'm going to be looking at here and like the rate as I suppose it depends pens. If they're still together to start my day suddenly find myself in litigation eat sleep work repeat was not all you've ever done in your life you this is in fact. I know it's been a few years for you but this is actually a a bit of a departure from your previous career. Isn't it yet. That's why I've just the second second of just A couple of weeks left. I was a vice president at twitter for eight years and then prior to that I worked at Google Youtube for another five-year so yes so I was a senior executive technology firms before turning my hand to this so hello and I may have this wrong but this book is would depend upon when people are listening to this coming out towards the end of February twenty twenty But but this is actually a re title of this book right it was originally called or work. Yeah it was the joy of work in the UK. And I've zinged it up with Off off you a parochial English stories and I've added some exciting. US source while in the UK. It's over over. ICS is like a cookbook for anyone who wants to improve their workplace culture. If you're sitting there and you're thinking you know there's just something not quite right in my team and it might be that you're the boss or that you might be someone far more junior but you you just want to get things right. And why discovered when I was had that same curiosity Discovered the books and books of an academic papers of research done into how we can improve work and yet strangely strangely none of it reaches any of us in jobs to became my focus. What could any of us do to use the the science and the research available to improve EVATT jobs? So that's IT'S A. It's a cookbook to improve the the the dynamic in our teams so I hear a lot of people uh-huh blaming technology. You worked for a couple of those technology companies that actually adding to some of the stress and disruption. What do you think that that's really the case or is that that just an excuse? I mean you have. Things really gotten worse with the unavailable the unavoidable truth. He's the respective of whether technologies to blame and I think the answer by the way he's he's partly by the respective whether the technologies to blame the technology we now have is the technology where we need to deal with. It's a little bit like you know we've just joined election season and people say oh well are provided in this era when this happened preferred in this era when this happened suddenly we don't pick and choose the era we live through and so you know the technology and the way that people are using the technology around us is just now something that we need to deal with. We can't romantically imagine a more simple era because you know simultaneous with us. Transplanting ourselves back to nineteenth century Britain. Yeah and I imagine a south working in in some of these archaic environments that we might see NFL simaltaneously. There were a lot of other problems. So the British rain definitely technology contributes to the way the lowest feel overwhelmed by our jobs. No doubt we don't have to build our homes and killer food dewey exactly that and you know we've got antibiotics penicillin. We've got all manner of things. Catch some of our blessing very late a lot of organizations they should especially in Silicon Valley. It seems I one of my kids actually works out in Silicon Valley and yet she is one of these her job title is kind of one of these like head of hugging or something like that. I'm just easier but you know it's it's a lot of these companies you know are are getting these these people that are in charge of the culture for example And I think there's actually an air of of personal accountability to your book sort of says and I think you actually blatantly say cultures kind of myth. You WanNa yet certainly believe company cultures. Maith believe that you know the idea that you can get a consistent feeling between Chicago face the the Denver Office the New York. You'll coffees I'm for it to be precisely the same mandated on powerpoint slides and sadly. I mean it would be wonderful if that were the case but it's it's not the case so I'm company. Culture is something of a Maith team culture as far more realistic. And you know the the traits of that as the people can find themselves working in adjacent teams in the same office and have a very different experience at work. You might occasionally chat to someone in the in the lunch. Hold or on the way home and you'll you'll say someone how's it going and their experience can be completely different to yours so I think I'm generally only when we discover that these good working environment they generally exist team level. That's noticed that companies co aspired to these things but they need to be realistic in terms of what they can control. Yeah because most most employees especially at larger organizations I mean their experience of the company is their boss or their team leader or whatever I mean. So that's that's probably probably who's dictating more about the culture than anyone else in the organization to that person very very much so the fundamental thing people say when you ask when you try and identify people have have a good job the fundamental thing that determines whether people think they have a good job is whether they have a good manager and so you know managers have a huge bearing now you you might work for a company. That's giving you free pucks and benefits. You might be providing you with a free smoothie on on Wednesday a month but but if you've got Richard Manager then generally you think you've got a bad job for sure you pick another one that I think is falling out of favor ever but there was a period of time when everybody was building. These two hundred people in one room all sitting across each other From a table in our all going to be able to communicate better and most people. I know that work in those environments spent a great deal of their time trying to find some peace and quiet You you take on the open plan office as kind of one of their. They may be worse than Than Social Media As far as a distraction. More than anything else. I think a lot of us recognize the experience of thinking that we went to we go go to work early to get something done or we feel like we can navigate. Anything done. 'cause we're beset with all these never ending interruptions and meetings and immelt and the open plan office the daily discovered you know so veteran work with the day I discovered that the science of open plan office. Six was so atrocious. It just this revelation to me. Let me share with you John. They they secrets have open. Plan Office Number One. The the biggest change that happens happens when organizations move to an open plan office is the the The the ratio of people who hate their colleagues goes up by seventy five percent. So if you've ever find yourself driven to distraction by the woman who sits behind you or the guy who sits next to you then you'll know that actually that to a regular the Laura current with open plan offices and the strange thing about open plan offices. He's normally when were sold into them. People paint these beautiful pictures of accidental conversations and creativity people saw spontaneously coming up with new ideas and in fact what you discovered is the The next the biggest thing that changes is the volume of email goes up by two thirds. So really strange that feeling where your emailing someone who sits three desks away from you simply because we have so many more interruptions in those environments than we ever did in smaller offices. It's all it's almost like taking employees ladies and making them roommates at the same time you know. 'cause they're they're they're all day long now. Look I'm pretty sure that will never escape open plan offices but the organizations who seem seem to be making the best go there are the ones that seem to be saying okay. We're going to allow you to have. Maybe you've got a laptop we're going to allow you to have a quiet space. ABC's way you can go and work in fact if you checked people. Working Co Working Spacey's The people who run co working spicy say that people spend more time in their socio so she in the the anonymous Social Coffee Bar Style and spices than they do at their allocated workstation and it's a good reminder we actually when we're not uncomfortable way the of noise around us but we hate it when that noise constantly interrupt us. Yeah it's it's funny I am like you have written actually I've written six bucks and I have written the bulk of them in coffee shops. I actually enjoy the noise big but but to your point nobody woody speak to me. It's just the noise around me Some people can't do that at all but But there is a difference. Everyone loves payday. But loving payroll provider Ryder. That's a little weird. Still small businesses across the country love running payroll with Gusto Gusto automatically files and pays your taxes. It's super breezy to us. And you can add benefits management tools to help take care of your team and keep your business safe. It's loyal it's modder. You might fall in love yourself. Hey Hey and has a listener you get three months free when you run your first payroll so try a demo tested out at gusto dot com slash tape that's gusto dot com slash tape. All right. Let's talk about since your book has the a number in it thirty hacks bringing joy to your jobless talk about a couple of them the very first one is one that I've actually I've done for years and it's this idea of monk mode so you WanNa unpack that one yet but the idea of monk mode is the strangely. We seem to find that. Firstly the whole of work is something of an illusion. The idea that maybe we're going to work forty hours a week Each of those forty hours as equally productive as each other. We should we imagine that we've got five by eight grades of You know of of if those hours each one of them will be equally valuable and what we discovered when we we actually plunge into measuring what people work and what they achieve. Is that these. These are not equally as productive. And so what you discover then aged. The secret is less. We're going to work longer and longer. And that seems seems to be one of the unfortunate mistakes a lot of us make but if we're not going to work longer longer working out when the good stuff as it seems to be a pre vital vital components when of the sociable hours when the productive hours and it seems that for most of us are most productive hours are in the morning and so won on the one the hacks that a number of people have found real benefit from ace almost carving out time before we open our emails a time before we turn our podcasts outcasts on mortgage maybe twice a week where we we call. Sometimes it's called. I met one guy who called it. The most important thing he called he's Mit. And he would Roy these board everyday. What was his? Mit and he wouldn't do anything else until the it finished the ninety minutes that MIT had taken him. But this monk mode morning this idea that like a monk we have no interruptions and we focus on something Is One of the the hacks that I've seen to be most most effective and the strange thing about the monk mode morning is there. We can accomplish in uninterrupted time far more than we ever realized so one of the things that you know. I'll be guilty of our know that I'm going somewhere in three weeks neutral presentation but I've known this for a long time and it sat at the talk of my to do list and yet when I come to actually do it as long as they don't have fifty other browser tabs open as long as I have too much each other distraction actually really productive. Our can make a big dent in that. And so that's the idea of monk Moat removing these distractions removing these punt rations and that she getting to focus our energies on. Something seems to be one of the best ways to get more out of our time. I I suspect we all underestimate how much How much weight that presentation that you had to make was actually causing on the rest of the rest of your focus? Okay because you were putting it off. You knew you had to do. It was causing stress. I think that's probably a really underestimated element of that. You know that thing so dull cue to do list you know you've you see sitting them a promised get back. I promised I'd get back a promise I'd get by and so over time. It's it's becoming more and more Roberta on you and not say too sometimes to say right you know. I've seen a couple of people who say account carve out ninety minutes every day but I'm going to do sixty st minutes twice a week so it's finding whatever works for you. But what what you often discoveries though sixty minutes twice a week can be the most productive gaps on your on your calendar. Yeah I think if we're all being honest and we did like assign a dollar value to each hour that we spent every day that they're probably the eighty eighty percent of our money is made in twenty percent of our work or you know the the old saying absolutely well. He's destroying thing. Have I find myself self doing this. I'm not sure if you you identified I five with this but you know I was coming home. I used to have a day on Mondays. which was laden with meetings? Had seven hours of meetings on Monday and you know I I would come home and my inbox will be creaking. Because of the all of the email and I'd fill out to start the week and I'm already hours behind and I used to say it's every Monday night at my kitchen table sometimes with a cup of tea sometimes with a glass of wine always with some sort of music playing on TV mate. And I once took stock doc. The fact that I'd spent three or four hours sitting at the kitchen table and I took stock of how little I'd actually done or after an exhausting day you've Added to your tiredness by sitting at that table for four hours you should have just switched off watch some TV gun to bed early instead. You saw that kitchen intake so tomorrow you wake up even more it and and I think that's the critical thing being more honest about what we're actually doing. And what way so giving ourselves illusion with doing is important stack fixing these problems so one of the hacks that I wasn't going to site but since you mentioned mentioned it Sleep better sleep. More of it is is a hack. Isn't it yeah. And the reason why I feel so strongly wrongly by a is set off I had this maybe so patriarchal desire to to make the people who were working for me happier in whether whether it's my responsibility to make them happy or not I don't know what it was like. They looked so miserable. I was intent on trying to bring some some smiles back Ted that little crises and about trying to make people happy him and what I discovered when I was doing extensive reading unhappiness was that there are two things that make us happier Full Stop period and there were two things that make us happy and so I thought well okay but let's at least cover these the number one thing that makes us happier as to sleep more and sleeping seven and a half to eight hours. Sleep a night makes us more happy in fact you know if you were to measure these PROZAC DOC and it achieved a one point eight shift on the fifty one point depression scale that is created. A good night's sleep moves us US eight points so you know it's good night sleep Of Four or five times better than PROZAC. But you know so so sleepy's a by far the best the thing that any of us could do the second of not sure how helpful the seas but the second way to make yourself happier is to spend time with happier friends and and the more we spend time with happy people it does appear to have an impact on our own happiness our own psyche. So you know that old mum Tom Wisdom that used to be so surround yourself with those with positive happy people there seems to be some some clear benefit to what your Mama told you. So you've broken up the hacks into kind of personal and team and then leader. What's one of If I get I've written a book recently that has three hundred sixty six separate pages thoughts today and so I always get the question in my interviews. What's your favorite one? The what are those my favorite page. But you only have thirty. So I'm GonNa ask you do you ever. Yeah very much. So so. Here's what I said about doing is set to to buy it thinking. How can I make what better? How can I make these these miserable souls? I'm surrounded with look like that. Less burden wanted them whistling hang on their way to work. And so what. I discovered very quickly. He's a lot of things that companies do wrong on some of the things that companies do wrong intentionally the and some of the things that that companies do wrong unintentionally. But I I find myself. Re- reflecting on all of the management. All of the advice I'd ever got and there was one image that was indelibly in my head and it was the it was the sanction it was it was the Scolding of a former boss who who said to me once and now's not the time to be seen laughing and and we're in a particularly unfortunate time. You know things were tough at work and he said please please be seen offing when The big boss walked past and so it stuck in my head and as as I was there thinking right. This is the time to research You know what's the rights and wrongs of work thought. I must investigate this one. And truthfully I was thinking I was just GonNa lay at the science of why he was right and you know and then get back to the other things we could do and what I discovered was the science of laughter is far more. Will I is far more emphatic. More advisories and it points very resolutely in the opposite direction to what he said so he said. Now's not the time to be seen laughing. Which I guess suggests imbed times? We don't want to be frivolous revellers. We don't want to be distracted. We may be. Don't WANNA be unfocused but if we look at people who have prevailed in difficult times Very often often. It's humor that characterize behavior you know if we wanted to go back to Chow Chilean maxims. That keep calm and carry on and the whole blitz spirit that you know my my countrymen had was very much anchored on so of a an irreverent humor. But we also see through army deployments. They they often will carry tries. Servicemember characterize their time as being filled with laughter. Firefighters firefighters often described the laughter that fills some of that that really intense moments and so laughed. A seems to have this incredible capacity to reset our resilience for so helping us to fail more and more able to deal with stock. DOC problems that we face with so anyway. I found myself really charmed with the science of laughter. Ends up as a hack in a program defended all is just called laugh. Okay awesome so versa. Tell us where we can find each sleep work. Repeat and more about a you. I know you have a podcast by the same name as well exactly that. So I've got a podcast. You'll find eight eight sleep work. REPEAT DOT com. If you go to that podcast. I've tried I to infer interview. Some of the leading psychologists neuroscientists who've done work in these fields. So any of us who maybe find ourselves trying to build in the culture in you know in our kids soccer team oriented Enron workplaces or. Maybe we've got our own company and we. We want wanted to be the place that we always dreamed of working. I that was my mission. How could I make this into thirty? Very simple interventions that are proven to work. TUCK will Thanks for joining us. And we'll have links to the book and links to Versus podcast and website in the show notes so hopefully lia a run into you. ASSUME YOU'RE GONNA spend some time in the states promoting the book so I am. I am yeah I mean I mean New York in the last week of February and I'm in Austin in early March and then back in the summer so yeah absolutely events on the website. Thanks for seven vying. Hopefully we'll run into you out there on the road Thank you so much having me.

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285: Soccer Team Has Weird Halftime Covid Strategy; The Boedker Era is Over in Ottawa

The Steve Warne Project - Sports

30:08 min | 10 months ago

285: Soccer Team Has Weird Halftime Covid Strategy; The Boedker Era is Over in Ottawa

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I'm fifteen hundred square feet or some little three bedroom townhouse but I did it all closets and then you look like doing is all fucking. I got to do that. I guess if you're going to do it Steve that one okay. I hear that wants more from someone. If you're GONNA do it you might as well do the whole thing. Okay tips thanks. Yeah so then there. Was this little bathroom as they gotta pay pull the Mirror off the wall that was here for. I don't know one hundred years or whatever so I'll just pull it off and all all all paint that wall maybe hang up a little mirror doodle. Small Little Reynaud Steve in the bathroom. Okay got the new toilet tile guide to come in and tile surrounded the Komo pretty basic stuff steve as opposed to the thousands. Apparently it is to renovate renovate your bathroom. You know to gut and renovate anyway. I thought that'll be simple. I pull the mirror off Stephen and pulled a piece of drywall out. That couldn't was so big that I can see into the bedroom behind the. Oh Yeah Oh yeah so. So it's like you can't mud that I guess you know. So so now that pulling that mirror off St that move where where? I did think. Maybe don't don't pull the MIRA. Maybe don't do that. Just leave it was the right thing to do and I always go the wrong way. Steve thanks so now I need a guy that should fix everything you. It would have been in the studs kind of thing and really not do that. Level of damage but was lou see. They just glued the whole back included onto the drywall. You know you can't. You can't nail a mirror. You can't put nails through a mirror as a full full wide near you know the cover the whole wall batsmen so anyway. That changed the whole thing. Now Steve Now we're into some money. Okay now we're into the into the money thing Steve. People having to come in and fucking fix everything I did right. Which is very predictable. A do it yourself and then pay for it for someone else to come in and do it after. You've tried to do it yourself. That's not the DIY Steve or whatever it is the do it do it yourself. Okay the DIY go fuck off. Okay all those people where they put it on Youtube. And you'll see I can do that. Yeah I I can I can do little tiling you know no you. Can't you know this is not? What's on the Youtube thing you know they forget to tell you that the DIY Guy Steve is doing it. Okay is professional tyler. All right. He's not not some homeless guy that comes in off the street. All is out of whack. Now I don't want you to scourging the DIY PEOPLE. I love the DIY people. You just have to measure out if I do this. Horribly was my worst case scenario. And if you're not happy with the worst case scenario then you probably shouldn't indulge. Meanwhile the there's a billion great diy videos. Like I was building a firepit today. Oh Yeah it's a little bit like it's a little bit like Tetris. Going on several these gigantic stones. I was checking around today. Just a circular thing sort of a caveman looking thing when I was all said and done with it but just a little bit of you know. Diy Info helped me avoid some pitfalls. So it was a good thing today although now I'm very tired I'd like to. I'd like to throw myself face first into a fire. Steve is what I'd like to do right now. Okay and I'd like to see that you should drop by as I hear you can build. This guy here is billing himself offense. You know. Well that's good that's kind of makes it look so easy that's great. What and what did he do his whole life? Yeah I built fences. It should be. Why I Steve? Okay you do it. That's what I should be okay. That zone anyway. Business based on that whole. Yeah why are you you doing guys my phone? Okay go by the way. Do you want some random? Lame Trivia? I'm good at that. The Trivia question that everyone either gets right away well partly because they've heard before or because it's super easy you get your head space in the right place to get it right away or you'll never get it okay. So the question is what starts with the letter e and ends with letter e and only contains one letter It's gotta be like a letter a letter that you're right like a male letter something like that starts to the lottery ends with the letter and only has one letter while you're already in the right head space to eldest easily. Yeah it's got a I don't know a letter. A written letter could go back to me wanting to punch out the D. One. Diy People the envelope. So you're right in the wheelhouse of Oh waste. That's my son's favorite riddle. Now stevie that aside net flicks prime to crave now. Hbo All that stuff. So I'm I'm really picking my series and clearly over the months that we've been doing this years now that we've been doing this. I am the better critic then you are for. I disagree no no no. You're you're shit. You're Shit Okay. You want now. Yeah you give me one. You gave me one. One was the Hollywood movie. I've been keeping track. I got a list here. Know you haven't you haven't been keeping track of anything but but I do okay I've got lots of have to go back over my list but I'm watching one someone someone near message me the other day saying Jimmy checkout cardinal was shot in Sudbury thought those those those Canadian things never. They're never that good but this is really good. This is really good. North Bay and Sudbury and good series crime series. Well done well done Sudbury or whoever did it. Yeah funny to hear like and they're actually using Canadian city name so it's well we'll have to talk to police about that one. Yes it's all shot shot in the snow basically. So it's it's very. It's the most Canadian looking show I've ever seen you know without being lame y'all shows that are sort of really Canadian and they're they're celebrating the Canadian cities and geography and climate. They generally aren't that. Good and cardinal certainly was. I've seen the entire series right. It's good you'll think about northern Ontario. Okay it's beautiful part of the country. It's part of the Canadian shield right so that got. The lakes are all sort of rock based right. So they're really clean is is. There's there's not a better example of extreme opposites all right Stevie okay like like like. Is it Chuck Juxtaposition? Steve is that what is okay. Something like that position. Yeah so if you ever go to sub for example okay in July people people never been there before. Do END UP GOING TO VISIT PEOPLE. There colleges something like that come. Wayne going. Oh my God. This is the most beautiful place on earth with the freshwater lakes and birch trees and the sunsets and all that stuff and the mosquitoes and no even mosquitoes. Okay mosquitoes as my mom used to say okay. Sauna down by the lake. You can walk out your back door and jumping off a swim boating waterskiing fishing. Steve is unreal. Now take that same place Stephen. Let's take a shot of it in February. Okay it is the worst place in the world to go and they're just and this series a lot of it. Are these winter shots. Can you pick a July here a little scene or something like that? It's it's it's completely miserable in the thick of the winner. I'll tell you it's miserable but cardinal though that show am. I watched it on the TV APP as fired at up on the TV And it's like giving you watch about a good fifteen twenty minutes and then the way they back load commercials like every five seconds. It seems like you you sit through a commercial break and okay finally. It's over and they come back for Mike I'd say one syllable of one word from one character and then they go to commercial again. That's feels like just awful. I I just don't know how like the of the world and I don't WanNa pick on TV because they're not alone in this they're still at this stage of the game with their streaming services trying to cram advertising down our throats in a world where we watched the net flicks the world. And we don't have to watch any commercials take any breaks whatsoever and advertising's important. I get that I mean that's been my whole career in advertising driven mediums including this one but there comes a point where you gotta go okay. We're really now being super intrusive and ruining the experience so that that was my one thought about watching cardinal on the on the APP from the company that created it. Yeah well there are always going to get you in the end Steve. Okay the the advertisers okay the sponsor the marketers so originally right. It was like you can do this stuff when it came out. No commercials was no converted. That's great well. How many years ago that was and then they thought the here's what we'll do is we'll give people the option to watch the commercial. Okay so they throw it up there with a five second time. Okay so it's GONNA kick off five seconds and then they then the little pop up says do you. WanNa skip the at Brenham saying Steve Through that. Of course right so. They're good so they do that. And then they realize no one's going one second into the thing right there were just pounding the five seconds down and skip skip the so. Then they go. What are we gonNA do about that now? That idea didn't work. No one's watching. Our AD has five seconds. So they say we're GONNA do. We're going to come up with an idea where we put the ad up there and you don't have an option you're going to have to watch it. Oh that's a new idea. You'RE GONNA put ads on for this stuff. Who thought that you know? So now it's like this ad will end in twenty seconds. She got no. You can't get out and I appreciate the need to make money. I get that you're either keeping your number of commercials reasonable or you're charging me a fee to be without commercials but giant. You can't just say okay. Well this cram as many commercials as possible in there anymore. It's not nineteen seventy-five anymore. Right or here's the other one. They're doing now. Steve so You know people are doing facebook. Live stuff right since since the virus or more of it anyway and my sisters. She doesn't my sister plays the tune on the piano. She comes on. I think every day or two. And you know my sister making our clicks and now it's so I click on it. I want to watch that video and then ten seconds in it'll stop and say. Do you want to continue watching this video? Let me why even worried about it. Just just keep playing until I tell you otherwise. Yeah I'll stop it if I don't myself here's the only thing I'd like people to do those Steve. Because I this is how I came away from this thing hit so he's the main character's names cardinal. He's a he's a homicide detective. And Steve. What's what the every line he delivers is he's whispering. Yeah y'all it's like. Hey Cardinal how are you not bad no we need you? We need downtown well. I'm not doing that. I'm taking some time away with that. Okay but he always whispers. He's whispering all the time the vocal burned. That's why that's why you've got to watch a movie. Like era show or series like peaky blinders. You always watch with the subtitles on. Because they all they all have that you know that whispering voice will working co my young by order of the Peiqi. Four-game belonged a heavy accent. The heavy accent as well. So it's like what? What did he say? It's a great show but he sure. Miss Alive you none of the subtitles on totally totally anyway. We have a sports to get to today. Yeah let's do that. Steve Yeah she do it Mrs Johnson. I'm sorry to tell you your son Sunday now. How boring it from Keith Morrison? Oh that pesky little murdering thing do you? You're supposed to pick your son up at the bus Asian. But you didn't want to do that. Didn't you? Some hockey news today like actual sports news as a member. Yeah you gotTA remember the Ottawa. Soap. It's real it's real the Ottawa. Senators underachieving Ford. Mikhail Bod Ker. They've announced that he's GonNa Spend East. Sides are easy under contr under. He's under contract to the senators right now and yet. They're still allowing him to care. So little of this guy that they've allowed him to sign in Lugano. So that's news. We got to celebrate. Hello win money back to how we do it now. We neither of US have any response to this whatsoever. But you know it's it's actual sports new. So we celebrate that school's out here on -Tario with Albert is done but the premier stepped up today and said your kids aren't going back to school this year. See you in the fall. Maybe that's me throwing in the. Maybe what's Alberto Doing Alberta limp like telling yesterday right they're doing everything online and marked the average marks are way up for kids and probably the year point a little bit because it's like okay? Here's the question okay. Well who was the first province to join confederation when sons go? I don't just give me five seconds here. Google who is the first one hundred out of one hundred well way to go so they're still doing that. Just doing it online. So let's kids are doing it for sure you sort of required. I think Steve. It's required if you if you don't have what what do you do? You got to start back again at your grade. Twelve or whatever. But here's the thing Steve that I'm that that people are not considering with sports. Starting back up again. You know by the way great job editing. The gretzky thing I listen to it last night. Thank you Great Show it was. It was fun. He was great. Lots of work to do there. Well done by you. Well it was. It was a great one so we talked about Cova. Dwayne Wayne weighed in on on. You know everyone talking about hockey coming back how they're going to do twenty four teams eighteen. Whatever when are we going to start Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah on and on? It's also the same thing with other sports skins game was on so know people are starting to do this thing and still in my mind. I just don't understand it. I understand why they're doing other than the frustration of it's time for sports and the Health Organization saying no. It's not no it's not but but if you're GonNa do it you know that whole thing so what? I don't get Steve. Is People people beginning to talk about this saying I was on. I was on a zoom meeting last night with an organization. I'm involved with in recovery and meetings are a big part of it. Okay and there's been no meetings for this thing over the over the last few months. They've been doing them by zoom and recovery meetings and it's been good. It's been good. People are more people are coming to the meetings. Because they're not as intimidated as walking into the basement of a church Blah Blah Blah. And so. Now we're talking about when when can our Lincoln are meeting? We have our meetings on Monday nights. My Little Group. And when can we start up and people are? GonNa? Let's do it now. We'll sit six feet apart. You know we're going to wipe everything down all this shit right now as you know. I'm dead set against it. I'm nowhere near I think. The risk is too high. A guy brought up. A great point is if you decide to go to a hockey game because they allow it or attend. Lpga PJ event LBJ or whatever that they're going to set this up so you can do it. What people aren't really considering Steve is is. It's not all about you there so I make a decision to go to that event. Well you're you got to consider. What does your family want your at home? Steve with your wife and son and daughter and and so you say okay. I'M GONNA start to go play men's hockey. And we're going to do the non contact and Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. But if I'm in your house say I don't want you to do that. I saw I think people are missing the boat on law that that it becomes selfish for us to just say Yup. I know I have the choice. It's up to everyone individually bubble. It's not up to everyone individually your family and extended friends and stuff or co co-workers. If you're working on this thing you know what? I'm saying. Steve. Of course. Yeah it's it's just getting to a stage now. We're we're over two months into this thing started like mid March. At least the kids were at school since mid-march and as time marches on. You're starting to hear things like from the medical establishment like this thing could go on indefinitely and it's like well. You can't do this indefinitely. We can't just shut down everything indefinitely and everybody stay in their home indefinitely. We've had phase one here in Ontario of a reopening process. But there's still a lot of limitations going on right now if we're going to sort of move into this phase two and the doctors are still saying things like well. This is still could be indefinite stuck like well. Why why are we moving forward with these phases? When this thing really isn't changing any allegations gone away. And yet we keep you know moving into the scheduling of phases. So I'm I'm I'm a little torn on it at the moment to be honest in that. I want everybody to stay safe. I want my family to be safe but I also think to myself cannot continue for three years which is key economic here the medical establishment this. This thing isn't going anywhere you know. Right right let's listen. I don't give a shit whether you're allowed to go camping on the long weekend. We'd just came through it. Okay that people go God every every minute may long we go camping? I can't I don't I don't give a shit. You know the the big the big stuff here. Right is is the leaders. Political leaders premiums prime minister mayors of cities sent. Oh my God you know. Obviously we're getting killed economically right and restaurants are the big ones right where these people are just some you know. Now they're starting to close permanently. There was one here the other day longtime thirty plus year family who ran a restaurant who had to shut it down and and that's the big issue right. That's the big issue of of you. Know even this emergency fund that that the government is giving people it's like. How long can they do that? And it's only a couple of grand or something like that without people working you know. And that's the. That's the big conundrum here right. That's the that's the snag. Good snuggle yeah. I love a good snag. How are we going to get everything back for the economy so anyway my point? Is You got other people to consider before you march out the door going up. I'm had enough and I'm going to start to get get out in public yup and do what I can and if I'm at the House and I'm sixty years old I am now. No no no. You're not and if you do you're coming back here right. Oh so the. Nhl remains hopeful that they can still get this thing going but it's GonNa be tricky because we still have a candidate. Us border closure going right now and Prime Minister Trudeau said those will stay in effect for at least another month. June twenty-first is when they are not even considering opening up the border until June twenty-first so if the NHL is hoping to get something going before then it will have to be with a very big bit of favoritism thrown their way to allow for this to happen. But I mean it's just I look at that and say well. Why are we even talking about? What the format is and when things are going to happen when the this just in the Canadian. Us border is kind of fundamental to this whole process. Totally yeah like A. It's like if we're going to do this. You need a bunch of other people to agree to it. You know anyway and it's just getting dumb like the pace of the season. I'm just trying to visualize it right with this whole thing like the latest we hear was the twenty four teams twelve teams would be in one city twelve teams would be in another and they'd have their playoffs among those two well when you finally get one team emerging from each of those divisions in the different cities we're have to shut things down before the Stanley Cup final so that everybody can have their two weeks it. Just it's almost it's just gotten to the point where at least visualize. It seems so disjointed to me and weird we were already at a point now where we're seeing anniversaries like today. For example as we speak is the anniversary of Oughta was only Eastern Conference victory. Only time they've ever won a conference championship. So that's how late we are in the Stanley Cup playoffs. As far as the calendar goes on most of the point where would have liked to have had it back? But we're getting so late in the game now. The weather's getting nice. I don't know if I'm not into it at all anymore. Anyway on a on a lighter note stevie someone someone someone sent me some some stuff so I thought I'd read you a few of these about the corona virus. You want to hear the some. So it's like you can't fix stupid turns out you can't quarantine it either. Steve Cops these days Steve. Okay cops these days. We'll be like hey come on out with your hands washed. Anyway there's a bunch more but So I guess we gotTa Keep Percents Humor. Abundant that we do. We need to take a timeout. 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And he was watching the German Bundesliga and and Reveling in it loving it. That's a die hard soccer fan but I saw an interesting sideline report is female reporter. She's doing a standup basically previewing. What's going on and precautions? That are being taken so let me play this back for you. Because it's kind of it takes an amusing twist with with a phrase that she uses at the end. There's a saying they'll be no victory pylon. Should they manage to score a goal in Frankfurt? The team say that they're going to be disinfecting their balls at halftime go. Okay good say sure. Sure a good scrub stevie absolutely. You've got to be safe and I don't even know how they'd manage to do that. I guess she's talking about soccer balls. I guess it seemed that initially I was like. Oh my God. That's that's taking it. One step further they keep saying scrub your hands but if she wasn't talking about soccer balls. Steve probably go to something. Like hey of got a couple of nuts in your scrotum in. You've gotTA wash those. Oh yes right right. That might be so. You wouldn't be confused. Absolutely you don't want infect anybody with your testicles at the end of the your yeah that's right. You don't do that although I've seen some of those soccer things where guys guys push their face into the other guys crotch and all that stuff to remember there was a celebration where a guy scored a goal went went and slid on the turf and he's lying on his back and the guy comes over to celebrate as a big mob. And is everybody gets off this guy. He still laying on his back in the last guy I uploaded. The scrum leans down and bites his penis. I forgot I just. I'm glad you scored that goal. But that ain't happening. I'm sorry yeah. Yeah everyone running. Everyone running to the bench. It's it's it's the penis gob Ler. You don't want him scoring all right. We've done enough damage. You gotta go go. We're looking forward to another till tomorrow here on the S. WBZ thanks for being with us. 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860:  Heidi Jannenga Shares The Tech Startup Story Behind WebPT

The Tech Blog Writer Podcast - Inspired Tech Startup Stories

37:07 min | 1 year ago

860: Heidi Jannenga Shares The Tech Startup Story Behind WebPT

"Welcome to the tank bloke writer podcast, your guy to future Tech Trends and innovation in a language. You understand now over to your host Neal Hughes. Welcome back to the tech blog Reuter podcasts, not way back in February opposited, Phoenix. Arizona, I was amazed by how they'll building connected place, and tech hope essentially the state was tempting tech talent our increasingly on affordable, Silicon Valley, and offering best and of life to start founders. Now during that trip I was briefly introduced to Heidi genera, and she's the president and co founder of web PT book, unfortunately, always asked to leave mid presentation to perform an interview that had previously been arranged for me. I must are incredibly rude, taking that walk of shame of the room, but I did my best to make my apologies and reached out to Heidi directly. And viaduct onto these podcasts because I was promise of inspired by her tech startups story, which is genuinely inspirational. And I think it's something that you would all appreciate and thankfully, she said, yes, so book elope, and hold on tight. So I can be meal is all the way to Phoenix. So we can speak with hydrogen Anga president and co founder of web PT. So massive warm, welcome to the show. Can you tell them this is a Labatt who you are, and what you do? Sure. Thank you. Now my name is Heidi Janetta. I am a physical therapist, and I'm also the president and co founder of web PT, and web PT is an electronic health record based in the United States, specifically designed for rehab, therapists. So that includes physical, therapists, occupational therapists, and speech language pathologists, we've been around since two thousand eight when we launched the company, so we're an eleven year old company and within the eleven years we've been able to garner just about forty percent market share which means about eighty five thousand users hitting our putt form and fifteen thousand practices across the all the all every state in the US. And now all the US. Territories. But one of the things are low of about recording. This daily tech podcast is everyday we look at different industry, and how it's being transformed by technology. And like you said web PT's and leading rehab therapy software solution, but if anyone listening, you might be set the scene, and tell them a little bit more about the kind of problems that you're solving for your customers, and using technology. And what makes you different really from other solutions out there. When we first started back in two thousand eight eighty percent of physical, therapists in, in our country, were using pen and paper to compete, their documentation. So if you're familiar with physical therapy at all or physiotherapy as it's known around the world when you see us go to see a physical therapist. It's not like just seeing your doctor. You actually see them for multiple visits. Sometimes in a week definitely in a month and over a plan of care that sometimes can span. Munster even years, depending on the ailment that you have and every interaction that you have with therapist has to be documented for liability. Reasons, also to, to show progress to understand what would transpire during that visit, but also here in the states for sure in order to get paid from insurance company. And so that burden of documentation is pretty significant compared to, you know, medical other medical providers. And so when as a therapist back in two thousand six I was also a clinic director I was running three large clinics, and one of our largest expenses that we were incurring, were for transcription dictation. So we were transcribing notes that would either have to get sent to a physician to provide them updates or two insurance companies to in order for us to get paid for our services. And so. So around this time, there are many physician based platforms that had been starting to get instituted. We, we looked at some of those, but they didn't have the workflow that a therapist would need, which is very different. And so that's why we decided to launch the company it was really actually supposed to solve a problem that I had in my practice. But when we found out that the eighty percent number was prolific out the actual profession here in the US we decided to launch the company we were the first web based application. And again, if you've ever been set foot into a physio clinic, we don't sit behind the desk, very often we're out and about with their patients teaching exercises putting our hands on patients and so having a web based application was very important as a differentiator for us when we first started. On an incredible inspirational stall Tope journey the I think it's going to be so valuable to other startup founders, they're going to be listening to all over the world at various stages of their own startup journey. So could I take you back to two thousand eight where it all began, and can you tell me more about your story is a leading sports, physical, therapists and multi clinic, Dr rector looking for ways to improve your practices online and actually inspired you to start this journey to the inspiration for me. Initially was really out of born out of a problem that I was having an in the practice with this transcription dictation expense that was continuing to grow while my top line, which was made up of insurance payments on co pay payments from patients and some cash paying patients that the majority of that was insurance company payments, which had steadily declined over the years. And so, you know, if your top line is starting to either flattened or slightly decline in your expense lines going up at doesn't equal a good profitable margin for, for a company and so you, do everything you can to increase the top line, but you also have to look at your expenses. And with that being our business biggest Spence, that's where I put a lot of focus and attention in trying to find technology to help solve that problem that we were having. And so when we couldn't find anything the logical solution for me at the time was to try to build something, and I partner up with a very tech savvy software engineer, who had had a history of building enterprise level, web based software applications. We put our heads together and developed version one, which was just the documentation piece. So truly solving the problem that I was having and we started to develop. In two thousand six it took us about a little over a year to get that I product going getting positive feedback from my therapist in my clinic and within the next six months, I had some of my colleagues who said, hey, we like to try that product, we'd love to save some money, and so we let them try as sort of a beta, but they actually paid us, which I think is really important. I on this journey that we, we made sure that people felt the value that they were willing to pay us for our product. It wasn't just they were getting a freebie because I if you're actually writing a check for something every day, or, you know, paying a monthly cost for something there's, there's value that's being driven from that. And so before we knew it, we had twelve other practices using our pot form. And that's when we did the market research and found that eighty percent number and light bulbs go off. And so we decided to launch the company. Two thousand eight and you know here we are today, but it all started from problem solving, right? Which I think is for the most part, one of the keys to many entrepreneurial successes is that you actually see a problem and build a better mouse trap to be able to get people to see the value in what you're delivering absolutely enough to fifty interviews on the definite trend amongst old stall took found as they expanded the problem. First time go to fix it was, I think it was a long time ago. But women instances of people looking at technology first, and then looking for a problem to solve. But thankfully, we've moved away from that unless I was founded in two thousand eight an up, and if you went onto clubs, a one minute delay, Sammy's funding round back in two thousand ten so what kind of lessons, did you learn along the way that would be a volleyball, twenty still took found a listening looking to get themselves not perfect foot dot perfect position for? Invested in to get that funding that they need to watch the progress, things Fullwood. So during those first couple of years that, you know, it's grind. Right. You're, you're every month, you're trying to get more customers to, to pay. And we were looking at, you know every every month we were looking at her expensive. What, what did we absolutely need based on the revenue that we made that month? Was it a new server was it, you know, an a support rap, you know what, what was it? That was most of highest priority. So you're, you're basically living hand to mouth at that point. And over that first, two years, we'd actually garnered a million dollar run rate. So we had a great trajectory a couple of things happen. So there was some regulatory change that happened within the US that helped propel our momentum forward in which the Affordable Care Act, which included the high tech. Act had been passed, which mandated eligible professionals meaning physicians and other providers to be using digital documentation, or an electronic medical record by two thousand fourteen and they were given incentives to do that. Now, we think it was fortunate, but many, people think is unfortunate that physical, therapists were not an occupational or speech pathologist. We're not included as an eligible freshener meeting that they did not receive the incentive in order to adopt. Any of them are so all of our growth was organic. But we we were helped by that momentum. That was happening in healthcare to adopt a digital platform. So you can imagine if you're still writing handwritten notes in your sending your notes to a physician that refers, you a patient. It doesn't bode well for you, as a professional to send them over something you've had to handwrite when they, you know, have been mandated to you something digital. And so we kind of rode that wave a little bit, which really helped on say on on sales. So we got to a point actually where we were having trouble. Keeping up with demand. Right. Which is every investors. Dream. And so we even though we, we were pushing forward, we came together, founders inside, you know, do we want to swing for the fences here. Obviously, we can keep going, but it would be helpful to have some capital to, you know, keep this this ember. That's now starting to turn into a fire like to, to actually get that going even even stronger. So, you know, I'm a huge advocate of bootstrapping until you get to a point that you actually have a product that actually is showing momentum. We did that which enabled us to only give away a small percentage of the company at that point, even though we took a series a million dollar round in one of the biggest challenges that we had early on prior to taking our first round of funding in was convincing people that are small quote unquote, small niche space. Which when we did the market size for PT? We found it to be a six billion dollar market, but they consider that small because, you know, as we're going through looking for investment, you know, market cap or I'm sorry, a total just well, Marquette is something that people always want to know what's the opportunity to get expand and get bigger. And so it was really hard initially to convince people that know we really needed to stay focused on the physical therapy space. It was our core competency. There was so much greenfield opportunity, and we truly had built a hockey stick. And so now as we are, you know, pushing towards this forty percent market share number that question continues to be in our ear. One of the reasons we did that total addressable market. Now is outside of outpatient. We have a lot of opportunity, which thankfully, we've, we've been. To continue to just push and, you know, put aside all those naysayers who said, our, our market size was not big enough. But I think it's really important to understand what your market is. And what the market opportunity is because that eighty percent number was huge for us in that people we, we were able to convince people that, yeah, I see how that you've got a lot of greenfield opportunity. With eighty percent of people still using pen and paper, that was a very clear marker that we could move the needle on. And so getting over that initial challenge of market size, and staying niche. I think in today's market, I think, more people are, are willing to, to understand the niche, but that was a big thing that we had overcome early in our early stages, and it wasn't just about a check writer. It was about bringing expertise into the company that would help us get to that next level. So not only did we take a round of funding. And we got Jim arms. Wrong, who is the founder of JD software, which is a worldwide known point of service software platform that he started Encana out of his garage and became a multi-million million dollar market cap company on our board, as well as helping us to find CEO, which is also a very difficult decision as founders to bring in a experienced CEO to help run the company with us. We get a lot of credit for that decision because it really helped us to again, keep that hockey stick growth that we had started on that same path. Hope difficult was that for you is the found was particularly challenging you just knew in Saudi that was the right thing today. Yeah, I took a lot of consultation with, you know, others. To put your ego aside. And, and to say, you know, we have never done this before even though we have had a lot of success in, we're on a great path to, to bring someone who really actually would might have a little bit more expertise. And what we did actually once we made the decision we did some strength finders work to figure out. You know what are each of us are the two of us for, for sure as founders, what are strengths? And what are we missing? And what we figured out was that we were truly missing a processor, somebody who's going to bring in process, more of an operational leader than a true. Maybe CEO, if you will, and someone who's going to institute, you know, Salesforce, for us in an accounting platform that was going to help scale and we were lucky enough to find that person. And when we, we. They set up the organization. We actually had three people leading the company, which was a little sometimes difficult. We didn't find it difficult. But we had sort of trifecta as the, the team called us where we had sort of this triangle of decision making which I don't think Slota's down. We worked really, really well together in making decisions and we had a very flat organization at the time. So there were we had divided up teams in which reported up, and then came together to make big strategic decisions together. So it was definitely tough to set your ego aside. But at the time it, ultimately, it was about being humble enough to say, you know what I'm really good at these things, and we need help in these areas are overlapped wasn't so much that we stepped on each other's toes and continued to respect each other's domains, which I think ultimately. It was how we were able to be successful and they soon they save the great move to make. I mean, hey, we all now over ten years later. I mean one of your biggest challenges bane in those ten years. Keep maybe telling me how you overcame some of those challenges. Yeah. There's been many. I just keeping up with the pace of change within the organization. It truly is, I think, in any startup is, is a part of your culture. Like, if you don't talk about change management part of your culture, it's important to, to address those things, and we from the very beginning have developed a very strong internal culture and one of the things that we did. When we took that I trying to funding in, we had about twelve people in the company when we took that round of funding and within the next six months, we had hired close to thirty people, and so we had more people in the company than we had in the previous, you know, first three years of the organization, and we felt this cultural shift and so. We sat around, like we did every year at the beginning of the year, kind of a mini strategic planning session, and we asked the those forty people that were sitting in the room, you know, who do we want to be as an organization, what do we stand for, like, what types of people do we need, we filled up a giant whiteboard, which we then distill down into our core values of the company and what I am you know, most proud of is that those core values have now scaled with us to where we are today over five hundred twenty five and police in eight states across the US. And so that truly had laid the foundation for our growth in how we communicate with our teams through all of these big changes. So, so that was one of them, you know, the second is really around keeping up with innovation as you start to get bigger. And making sure you're building the right things and or building or buying depending on, you know what you have the opportunity to do, and, and making sure that you are looking far enough forward to make decisions that are not just reactive. But hopefully, proactive and balancing the reactive and proactive choices that you have to make so that you're still ahead of the game as you move forward within ovation. And sometimes that's been very difficult, especially more recently actually, as we've moved into the enterprise organizations and companies, which, you know, become a lot more of a burden and taxing and taxing the teams with wants and needs. Then where we first started which was small and medium sized business space. So that move up market has been a challenge. But again communication. Having the right people to help lead that and also to be patient. Which I know everyone says it's a virtue for sure. But trying to balance the proactiveness in reactive niff-, I think has been a challenge, but and still remains a challenge for us. And then I guess the third thing I would say, as far as a challenge goes within the organization. Would be just in terms of our, our customers. So we call our customers members. We did that from the very beginning because we wanted them to feel like they'd be long to community and in healthcare healthcare providers are not known to be the most tech savvy and so moving through the adoption curve. Initially we hit it right on the head. We had a lot of early adopters with web-based with a web based application they felt comfortable they were the folks that were doing their, their banking online earlier than everyone else. They probably had a, you know, they had gone away from the blackberry, and we're moving into more of a smart berm earlier than anyone else. But then there's this huge you know, middle part of the adoption curve. That is much more difficult to win over. And so having to take step. Back when you have so many smart people in a tech company, trying to deliver technology to non tech savvy people to take a step back and really understand how does your marketing have to work. And so, again, in two thousand ten two thousand eleven a time period, that's when we really and our currency. Oh, Nancy ham, actually talks about how we've actually developed to companies for web PT one almost like an educational platform, because we had to that now is this education community that truly now becomes lead generation 'cause we have become a thought leader in the space around technology specifically, you know, electronic, health record and more now with data analytics within the industry. And so the challenge was overcoming, the, the non tech savviness of our. Customers in trying to deliver a technology to them in how we solve that was by becoming this educational thought leadership platform that helped empower them to gain the knowledge to understand that we were the best product for them who will twenty nineteen. I mean you know one of the major players in the physical therapy shelf web. Okay, you said, you've got to comb not adoption learning curve that especially for people that to seventy associated with technology. But so what does that landscape? Look like now. And he's technology continuing to transform physical therapy. Physiotherapy say. Absolutely. You know, we've been helping to push that curve. But absolutely technology is, is much more available and rampant through the physical therapy or rehab therapy spaces. We call it so that eighty percent number is now flipped on its head, so eighty percent of the rehab, therapists in the US are using some sort of digital platform of which forty percent are using what PT but you now are seeing much many more technology opportunities with, you know, a range of motion, try being able to do more consistent measurements of range of motion Telehealth is now a big thing, that's happening to, to help again reach more people in order to gain access to healthcare, which is extremely important. And so you're seeing so many more apps are available for therapists to use for home exercise program. We've actually added on a onto the front end of our platform. A patient retention management, which is like a mini CRM to our Amar to where our therapist are able to keep in contact with their patients more so that they aren't leaving their treatment plans to early, or their key continuing to keep up with their home, exercise program because compliance with home exercises, isn't the best so long PT patients. And so having the ability to use technology, and so many more ways in reaching, you know, your average consumer and where they are, which today as you know, is on their phones. We've had to really continue to progress them that way. And that's you're seeing that more and more with within the healthcare space in general. But for sure. Sure, in the PT space as well. But you guys are also based in Phoenix Akito, tell me a little bit more about the textile up sane in the why you think tech talent is actually migrating away from Silicon Valley towards paintings. Yeah. Phoenix is an emerging technology mecca for sure as are a lot of different cities, right? I mean it's I say these days like what company is not a technology company, right? Restaurants, PT clinics. I mean, everything pretty much is tech company these days, and so with the, the need for more technology applications more opportunities to, to apply technology. Education, first and foremost has to be the, the sort of foundation. And so all of the major schools, especially state university and Grand Canyon university here in Arizona have really stepped up early to understand like this is important. So having the education and computer science and technology, readily available has been a great to help, you know, get more people who have the education levels to, to work in companies. And then you have this startup amazing startup environment in which incubators tech working co working spaces galvanize our neighbor across the street from where we are in the Phoenix warehouse district, which has become a great sort of atmosphere, in which, there are many startup companies that are housed here. So you have this ability to have this density of interaction with, with more start of it's just a completely different landscape than when we started in two thousand eight the mentor ship now that's available. The attraction of, of people coming into Arizona, and the state has actually we have a very entrepreneurial governor in, in, Doug Ducey, who has introduced a lot of legislation that has been very favorable to technology companies, and policy changes our mayor guy, I go is also had been a huge advocate for the city of Phoenix, and again, bring more density into this area. So I, I can't say enough about how it has to be a collaborative effort in order to have cities like, Phoenix to really sort of b b empowered to. To have this ability to become sort of attack mecca, and we're definitely do that doing that. I think Phoenix has been named the number one entrepeneurship city for the last two or three years running. And so, you know, we're well on our way to establishing ourselves which is, which is fantastic. At the same time I will just say that. It also can be I mean it's now much more competitive with all these new startups coming up where huge advocates for for start. We, we do a lot of tourist or building. I speak at a lot of entrepreneurial events. But at the same time, I also also want to sometimes put this extra down below is, hey, don't come. Steal my people. Because, you know, it although yeah, it's the, the market of more new companies coming up is not keeping up with the pace of talent. And so we as in all over, I think the world, probably, there's just this lack of talent as a folks in technology specifically, so, you know, computer science in coding, but also in, in driving businesses. Right. Especially from fast platform. So software is a service, which is very different than, than a more traditional company in terms of your recurring, revenue models and things like that. So from a financial operational perspective, you know, growing companies to our size. There's very few people that have done that. And so, yeah, we, we have to keep the electric fences up around our folks pretty pretty well. Also comes back to having a great culture. We've obviously, we've talked about where you came from and the story behind Webb PT. An also way you all right now. But I mean, what's next for web PT's anything else, you can share with us about the future? And also excites. You about your journey moving forward. Gosh, there's so much. We, we've done some recent work on our town, which is our total addressable market. And we've obviously killed it in the outpatient, physical therapy rehab therapy market, which means that clinics that are standalone, or that people go to, you know that you can readily go and out of on your own, whether they're associated with a hospital or entrepreneurial free standing clinic, but there's so many more opportunities within our space. Whether that's home health, a skilled nursing facilities, even acute care, which is pretty much taken care of and dominated by the larger EMR's, but integration with some of those larger organizations to help. With our very niche, physiotherapy knowledge is things that we're looking at in the future for sure. And what excites me the most is really we have with our thought leadership, we've done a we done now for the third annual rehab therapy state of the rehab therapy survey that goes out to all the US therapist, and we garnered that asked him a bunch of different questions to understand more about the industry, and there's so much opportunity that we have right now we are helping at the forefront of trying to empower more patience to get into see physical therapist today, only ten percent of patients who have diagnoses that a. A physical therapists has the potential to see are actually getting into see fiscal therapists. So that means ninety percent of them are off doing things that, you know, hope may lead to surgery or more expensive sort of outcomes, or which is sort of the crux, that's happening today with the opioid crisis. They're getting pain medications that they end up staying on and getting hooked on an addicted to. And so we are at the forefront of trying to help with technology to empower more patients in working with insurance companies to get them in to see if his therapist to hopefully, mitigate some of the opportunity for opioid addiction or costly downstream services. That may not actually get them better. Anyway. I'm so using our data using our, our technology promise, we were helping and empowering more patients. And so that's. Some of the things that really excite me because our, our touch factor our ability to help more people, which at the end of the day is why became a physical therapists in the first place was to help people the, the ability to help many, many more people today with the Lepetit platform is just so inspiring, and even on eleven years, like I get up every morning and still wanna come to work every day with a with excitement us to apply to officially wants to find out more information about you'll still and everything that you doing it PT, what's the best way of funding you on line, and also might be contacted by the team, if they just left with any questions after listening to conversation today, share? So we're hiring so wet PT dot com slash careers. We have lots of opportunity down here in Phoenix, and we actually have all over the country, including Taku in Denver and Boston. So anybody's interested. From a if you're a wanna learn more about the rehab therapy industry, we again on our web dot com website. We have all kinds of blogs, and webinars that you can learn more about us, and the industry has a whole, and then me personally, I'm on Lincoln, so Heidi. Janetta. J. N. N E NGA. I'm I'm happy to, to connect with you via via Lincoln. Loop. You'll story of how you've transformed the world of physiotherapy with with technology, having experienced firsthand. And I think it's an inspiring textile, ab- story, but I think the end of every episode, I always say that technology works best when he brings people together, but you've used technology to empower patients, an ultimately help paper got so beautiful thing. So a big thank you for taking the time to come on and chat with me today. Thanks already appreciate the opportunity. One of my easing, June and indeed story about a woman in tech achieving highly deserve success. These are the stories I don't want to hear more of an celebrate on this type podcast. I cannot thank God, you know, first of all, of course, for forgiving me for leaving her presentation. And also, of course, for taking the time to chat with me today, and I'll go to fade in the holidays. Textile top story would have resonated with so many of you listening, whether you're in the textile tubes eight all out of it. But I want you to share what you found valuable from today's conversation and maybe even shea your personal story with the listeners hit two and that's nice and easy for you to do a platform. So we can all get avoid said, and you can Email me tech blog writer outlook dot com. Tweet me at nail Nailsea Hughes. Oh, coast. Visit my website tech blow grata dot co dot UK. And finally, before I go a big, thank you for all your well wishes, by the way, I'm feeling much an hour after my skin on the plane home the other day. Now I do have a routine visit with my doctors next week about I'm sure everything is going to be falling. You're not going to get rid of me that easily. Okay. So a big thank you for listening until next time. Don't be a stranger. Thanks for listening to the tank global rice appalled cost until next time. Remember technology is best when it brings people together.

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Monday, Feb. 15: Former QAnon supporter, plus Josh Groban and Sherri Shepherd

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Monday, Feb. 15: Former QAnon supporter, plus Josh Groban and Sherri Shepherd

"Subscribe to our podcast to get hot topics delivered every afternoon. And while you're at it rate us in labor review celebrating president's day on a brand new view the co hosts are kicking off the historic era of president. Joe biden with a look back at his long history on the view of suburban moms shares. What made her get caught. Up in wild cunanan conspiracy theories and how she snapped out event and it's a family reunion when sherri shepherd returns to the view plus sees superstar. Josh bourbon talks about making sure dams felt the love on valentine's day freer hot topics because president's day at the view. Start right now. Hey hello welcome to the view as president's day it's been a long time coming for all of us here on the view because we finally have a president in office who were honored to celebrate plus our other relationship with president biden goes way back before he became number forty sex. Take a look. We honored to welcome to the view. Vice president of the united states. Joe biden schedule go on shows like this on. Meet the press easy. You guys are tough are you. We might ask about your booty. Truth is i was hoping you would took any buddy list. As a stutter. You can't let it define you are been married for thirty two years to your wife jill. When she said no other four. What made you keep asking. It was worth it man. I do not expect you to come on this program and announced that. You're going to run for president. I won't objective. We want to tell you what make you deal. If you stick around. I will announce my decision with you old yesterday. President obama jock you sure. Yeah and awarded you the presidential medal of freedom which is standing there. And then you realize it's for you and you you burst into tears. I had not the slightest idea. I didn't even know i came up with the medal. Thought who the hell is this for. I know you and your family have been through tragedy that i couldn't conceive of what would you tell people it's not about me. It's about everyone. I it is about everyone but look One of the things that gave boker my word was john. You're dead you remember when you're a little kid. Your dad took care of my book. Your dad when he was aid work with me became friends with bow and bow. Talked about your dad's courage not about about his courage. Her dad is my boss. Wanted you to run in two thousand sixteen. How much did that play into. This decision would bow. He's not warm. Running but i hope as stupid when i get up in the morning i think about you know. I hope he's proud of me. I hope he's proud. Do you still believe that you are the person to beat. i believe i'm going to beat trump. i believe. I'm a person who gets mad. There's hope in purpose emmanuel concept there's three parts of happiness something to do someone to love something to look forward to better position than any country world own the twenty first century. Yes we only twenty first century and we lead by not the power example. Our power the power of our example. That's who we are since. When did you know you're losing election you win election and the other person's your enemy. I mean this about you. Know people have choices and and the job is you represent everyone people voting against as well who they are we are are we are. He's adorable he's so he's so genuine and sweden and lovely and funny humor thing you want in a man in a president you know. He's just he's a he's great and he's right for these times is perfect perfect for these times. I think that was cathartic to watch. Glad we have them. yeah decent. It's why he didn't nine before because it wasn't his time because he was going to be needed later on. And so you know. I have to say you know. He's a great riding buddy. If you're on a train ride i'd catch up with him back and forth on the train and it's just a just a great just a great guy. He's a real guy. So i understand just in talking to a lot so i'm glad we got him to joy. I'm glad we all got him. He's all of our presidents. We'll figure he'll figure out how to make it work for everybody. And that's the best thing and i want to do. Today's black history month. Fyi because it salutes. Willa beatrice brown a political pioneer and groundbreaking aviator who achieved a lot of i. She's the first black woman to run for. Us congress the first black woman to earn both a pilot's license and a mechanic's license and the first black officer in the us civil air patrol black women. Doing amazing things in her husband opened up a flight school with her and it was dedicated to training black pilots. Several who went on to serve as the legendary tuskegee airmen in world war. Two for more information go to our website. You'll be surprised at what you read and we of course we'll be right back. Why do any american still buy into conspiracy. Theory that high level politicians and hollywood stars are secretly satan worshipping pedophile cannibals and only former president. Trump can stop them once a bourbon. Mom explains why she was convinced. Cunanan with real. And what gave her a reality check next sure. The views here can get hot. But just wait until you see what twitter is saying. Twitter is going nuts over so grab your phone and join the conversation on twitter and don't forget to like us on facebook. Follow us on instagram. Subscribe to our youtube channel. And of course what is every day on. Abc welcome back killing on as a fringe conspiracy theory that started with claims that there are global child sex trafficking ring and our government and in hollywood. But what's equally alarming. Is you know it's been followed by millions of people everyday everyday. Americans like south carolina. Mom ashley vanderbilt. Who's sharing what made her believe. And eventually reject non welcome ashley. Welcome to the view tire. Thank you for having me now. You said that you started reading cunanan conspiracy theories. A few months before biden was elected. Where did you first start to see these messages. And what made you decide to investigate them. Well i was unintentionally getting conspiracy theories that it was q. Not i didn't know any of that. But i'm started on tiktok. I've been a lifelong republican. I family you know told me. Growing up where republicans. They're great people. They're wonderful people. And so i was never one that was into politics anyways and i always voted red. I wanted to be like my family. And that's as much as i ever thought into it. Obviously when the election campaign started. I started liking on tiktok. More trump things and So i guess the algorithm must have changed to where i was seeing obviously more protons brought trump videos and then it led into conspiracy things They started talking about like the child rains and that grabbed my attention since i'm a mom that's where it started. Yeah it's interesting it's interesting. I can see what you could become a trump supporter. But you said that you were brainwashed. Into believing that. Hollywood people there was a ring of pedophile. 's and concluding oprah winfrey and tom hanks who would kidnap these kids and drink their blood. I mean you must have watched at tom hanks in the movies. I'm sure you're saying oprah on television how what made you believe such crazy nonsense. I know it sounds crazy and salute. Let me try to think of how explain this when you start getting information from these these groups again. I had no idea. I thought it was on is start with something. Small so child trafficking is real sex trafficking is real real problem So when i got just a little bit of information that the government is doing bad things that these children. It wasn't starting off like these celebrities are drinking these kids blood and i was like yeah. I'm going to believe that it didn't start that way. It was really small. And you know it peaks your interest because as a mom. I wanna protect my kid. I want to know everything. And so i started diving in deeper. Started asking people that entrusted about this information. They would send me more information in its snowball to just build bigger and bigger and so eventually you get that huge crazy theory and you believe it but it didn't start that way now. Actually you have a four year old daughter. How does your time as a on supporter affect your relationship with her. I think that it made me emotionally unavailable to appoint with her. And i'm going to try not to cry. She would always taking care of. You know i would up from school in. I bring her home and make her dinner bath. Her putter abed but we didn't play that much. I wasn't cuddling with her and giving her. I think the the emotional attention that she needed. Because i was too wrapped up worrying about everything. I stayed glued to phone in these telegram chats and watching these facebook videos. And i just had so much longer there. I couldn't. i couldn't be there for her the way that she needed to be. Well ashley Your you're clearly emotional about this and you know you. You did believe these conspiracy theories for many months but you say that when biden was inaugurated you started to see the truth and i just wanted to tell you. I think it's brave that you're sharing this story. Because i think we need to understand how people get radicalized and how to stop it from happening. Thank you leading into inauguration day it had been going around in the groups that there would be a blackout. Electricity might not work. There would be an emergency broadcasting alarm. Go off and so i prepared. I i went and got groceries and filled my car with gas. And i just waited for days for that alarm to go off and it never did So come inauguration day. I really didn't think it was going to happen. I didn't sleep that night. And i stayed glued to my phone. I kept watching the tv watching the inauguration. And when i saw kamala harris get sworn in. I was like okay. They're cutting it really close. And then when president biden was getting sworn in just started to have tears. And i was like i'm waiting. I'm waiting for the tv to turn off. I'm waiting to hear the alarm. And it didn't happen and i was devastated. After that i was scared to death. I thought so. My worst fears in my worst nightmare is coming true. And we're seeing the funeral of the country. Nobody's safe. We're all gonna die. I need to take my kid out of school. Because they're gonna take her and there's just there's so much anxiety and fear It's hard to hard to explain that. And then you realize that there was that something wasn't the way you thought it was and when we come back we'll talk to you some more about how the change happened for you and what you want people to know now so we'll be right back. We are back with ashley vanderbilt sunny. You know when trump was asked about cunanan he said. I don't know much about the movement other than i understand. They like me very much. And i appreciate it. Do you think if trump had condemned cunanan that more people like you would would leave it. Yeah i think so. I'm sure not everybody would. And if we were talking about me personally. I think a huge group of people even if he wouldn't say that cunanan itself was illegitimate but address. The lies if he were to have said. The politicians and hollywood elite are not torturing children and drinking their blood. I would have listened it if he went of said that the election was not fraudulent. I would have listened. I i mean he had a lot of lives that he could have cleared up. What made you realize that cunanan was was just wrong. I think part of it was. I had been praying for days leading up to the inauguration. Granted in the back of my mind as i'm praying. I was thinking that you know what i thought was correct. But either way ahead sprang to god and asking for him to reveal the truth to me into the country into the world and then obviously when president obama was sworn in and nothing went to how i thought it was going to go. It was an indicator about okay so we were wrong. I was having doubts wondering are are we wrong and in my crazy and and then i talked to my mom when she was at work facetime her out having a meltdown and she works front desk. She had to go to a dark closet because she didn't want anyone to hear this craziness coming from me. And she tried calling calming me down and she was just like ashley. It's okay you're safe. China's not going to take over. We're not all going to die. you know. This must have been. God's will if president vital sworn in the this god's plan he's never wrong and she was like look at president. Obama people were calling him the anti christ and that wasn't true she's gonna be okay and that helped And then going into the groups and hearing that they were talking about march fourth. I was just like that doesn't make sense. I don't know how president could be sworn in and the not the president anymore. Well actually there are still a lot of people who support and on including many people in the military. What is your message to them. And what do you want them to know. If i could talk to all of them. I would just want them to know that life outside of that group is nowhere near as scary as what it seems and there is a lot of people that are starting to understand. You know what we're thinking in that group and there's a lot of support in so many people are offering to be a soft place to land and if you're questioning or doubting her in wondering what's true you know. Give it a chance to to leave. All of disappointment and anger and wise and come be with me in so many friends that i've made. That are so supportive in in their offering so much encouragement or thank you. S you vanderbilt. It is a conversation. Many people have have been having as to how people get swept up in this. So thank you for your insight. We of course will be right. Back sees superstar. Josh ruben talks about why he stayed in to bring the romance on valentine's day and sharing the time he couldn't make the magic happen next law. Staying informed has never been more important. Information is coming at us faster than ever. So how do you make sense of. It'll start here. hey. I'm brad milkey from abc news. In every weekday we will break down the latest headlines in just twenty minutes straightforward reporting dynamic interviews and analysis from experts. You can trust always credible always solid start here from abc news twenty minutes every weekday on your smart speaker or your favorite podcast app. Only of made me. I know my mom me when it comes to call you loving. That was global superstar. Josh performing angels from his new album harmony which. He's about to release a deluxe edition. He's also delivering some musical therapy. We all need right now straight to your living room with his latest livestream concert please. Welcome back the fabulous and amazing josh. Groman hello josh groman. Now hi whoopi. Hi everybody thanks for having me now. this time. Last year you performing at radio city music hall and this valentine's day was a is was a little bit different but you still found a way to put on a show for folks at home. Tell us about this. Plays i mean talk about a juxtaposition. I mean the this time last year we were of course as you mentioned it. The iconic radio city music hall. It was wild and fun and enormous night for all of us. We had six thousand couples in the audience and dr ruth a huge. It was really a lot of fun so many and this year of course you know. It's we're all trying to connect in every way that we can and it in some ways it feels even more necessary to do concerts when people are feeling so isolated so alone especially on on days like valentine's day to be able to sing these songs that i've loved so much is both therapeutic for me and hopefully for for those that are watching as well and music is such a connecting force. Yesterday was valentine's day. Your music has been the romantic soundtrack to more than a few couples relationships. Some fans even gotten engaged during your concerts. Do you enjoy being this involved in their love lives. Oh it's it's a really fun surprise when when you're doing a concert this is one thing i one of many things i miss about. The actual live shows is that sometimes people will stop your show and get down on one knee and proposed in the aisle or people will say they met at a meet and greet and then. They'll show you the next concert. They'll show you their little their little baby josh josh exactly and thinking in a minute but now it's true so many people have met when you do this for you know twenty years. You know you wind appearing so many incredible stories of people that have connected met through the concerts and through even online through through message boards and things like that. So that's a really cool part of what i do. Now you've said you're a romantic at heart. You ever like set the mood music like tap it on and be like oh you know absolutely not no can think of nothing worse i i i i. I'm very lucky that i get to sing to express myself. It's far easier for me to express myself through music than it is through speaking. That said i think that that. If you're lucky enough to be in this business have music. I think it should be an unwritten rule that you don't use your own music to set the tone unless you're connie maybe i feel like there's certain people can probably get away with it and love it. I am not one of those people. I i need. I need to think of music. Fine you someone else's music always that's great. That's always a great idea. But i am most grateful the herald or now you've got us thinking who. Who do you listen to when you're in that mood come on Well i mean. I mean i listen to jazz i listen to you know. Feel like people like tony bennett. Our incredible also like bands. The bands in the nineties were great bands in the nineties. Great for dates and stuff. Like portishead and radiohead all the head. All the all the bands would head at the end of it were. we're good. Say yeah and go to the next question. Time by the way sarah's having an out of body experience because you look like our husbands so just you her a new deluxe edition of your album harmony. Which you mostly recorded during the pandemic. it's a mix of classic and original songs that you say were therapeutic for you. So tell us about that you know. It's a stressful thing to to take on classic songs because you know in some ways it's even more nerve wracking because these are songs that people have loved for so many decades and they've been the soundtrack to our lives and so you think to yourself look possibly add to to this group of incredible songs but these are songs that that felt very very relevant sometimes forty fifty sixty years old and they felt just absolutely fresh and and so much fun beautiful to sing and we had so many songs that we wanted to sing. That didn't make it on the original release of this album that we wanted to wanted to it as a deluxe and put even more songs on it as well. So so there's just there's just so many classic covers that i've wanted to do fans requested some. We've tried out on stage a couple of times on tour and like i said it's a good time for people to have these songs because they mean a lot and josh i watched the david foster documentary and one of the best parts in. It is your start when you get your start. Opening up the grammy's they believe with selene. Dion and i'm a huge fan of both of yours. What do you remember about that time. And was it weird to see it. Revisit documentary and. I thought it was a really really good documentary. Known david for my entire adult life. And i thought it was a really great and honest portrayal of of david the human being and also david genius and i was so fortunate at that young age to to have been mentored and to have been discovered by him. He's he's discovered so many singers that i love to listen to selena. Of course being somebody that he's worked with a lot as a seventeen year old kid being taken onto the grammy stage. Nothing can prepare you for being shot out of the cannon like that. It's just one of those things where you just say to yourself. Just take note by note. Try to get through it. Try not to shake and and and then go back to history class. And i was. I went from the grammy stage. Right back into my dad's car and we went right and i went back to class and thought okay. Well this is something that's going to be fun to tell my kids and grandkids about one day but was never expecting that it would lead to to anything so You know sometimes you just don't know the doors swings open well josh you know. It's quite amazing when you look back really at the length of your relationship with with him and all of the things from hearing about you as a little kid. Which is when i first heard about you. When you were literally mean we go way way back and it just. I just always think how smart he was to hear what you would be. You know in your future and it's just magnificent to see you today and and hearing you talk. And i have to tell people that. The brand new deluxe album harmony will be available on february twenty six and for more information on how to get tickets to his latest livestream concert a night in with josh grove and you can also go to a website. You go to website. We tell you everything. We know everything good to see scrubbing. We'll be thank you so much. Thank you for having me on. The pleasure sherri shepherd is catching up with a co host and sharing her kern view dating parenting entering new sitcom. Call your mother next if you love the ladies of the view. You're gonna love this. Who just wanted knowledge. Our virtual audience daft today. Come to watch the south during the views virtual audience from the comfort of your home. 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But it's like we're in a bad marriage like every will walk in and go. You're still here. And i look at him ago you earlier. This work for me. He's online schooling. And i because i keep walking past him in a white t shirt would a taco stay in front of his classmates. Manny the teachers. Get mad at me. Because i sat for not only emails. I don't even know jeffrey's upstairs. An online schooling right now. Know he might be working star books. That boy you know we have such. We have such heartfelt feelings for your son. He was part of the show. Really you know he'd be around all the time and he's such an adorable boy you channel. Tell him anti joy sensor love okay. He's telling me to tell you joy ladies if y'all know of a girl this fifteen that he can date likes the w eight high any sounds like fun starts so know sherry. Yesterday was valentine's day afraid to ask you this question. Do you have a valentine in the pandemic over joy. you know. i'm always open cut. You know what they say twice mary six times or so. I'm still been for marriage. I hope for relationships. So i have a valentine's day grow. I went out on. Somebody sent me. What a dude. Who was sixty. And i don't day sixty years old. He looked fifty eight so i went out with him. He ghosted me. Geico fifty eight zero first of all how you don t is what i want to know. So daddy are now. You know i'm glad to hear that. I'm not trying to be in the in the relationship. I've been calmed down. Have been going to therapist. Thank god for online therapy. It is i you know. I wanna compare you. I wanna be like unc. Were i wanna companion. Have a good time and then when you gotta roaming around in your wheelchair then we could tell marriage. That's when i'm my own burying. Wait wait wait you have. The baby was share. You look just buta fall and you've been on a mission to take control of your health and so many people are struggling during covid. Stay on track myself included. 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How Angels can help you raise your Inner Wealth Frequency to attract more clients, contract and teamwith Angel Lady Terrie Marie

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How Angels can help you raise your Inner Wealth Frequency to attract more clients, contract and teamwith Angel Lady Terrie Marie

"You're listening to another ambitious entrepreneur network dot com. The voice for entrepreneurs and small business to be now auto show. Are you frustrated and confused about how to attract new clients nothing? You have done is working. And you're tired of waiting for the phone to ring. Imagine learning the tips and tools that will help. You get noted and booked by your ideal client and paid what you're worth for your amazing services. Now's the time to make your dream unreality. And the Bishop entrepreneur show will teach you how now over to your host and Marie cross highway one. This is N we crossing welcome to another show. We have got a very special guest now, despite what some people may think success in business is not always about bathing the competition or spending billions of dollars on marketing and advertising. Now, according to my guest today, Dr Terry Murray, winning and business is simply a matter of accessing the power of your own personal angel dream team. Terry says that I met a what analysts saying about today's business climate or the ad. Look for preneurs. Shea is seeing an unprecedented success among business leaders who are tapping into the own personal angel drain team. Now without exception. Every entrepreneur that's U2. has angels ready to work on their behalf. So on your behalf. And that's what Terri Marie says, the sacred sheds is knowing how to activate the power in your life, and in your business on today show, she's going to share why it's important to raise your inner wealth frequency, how raising your inner wealth can help you attract more clients, more contracts and tame and how meditation is a very simple and powerful way to raise your vibration, and you're in a wealth frequency and so much more. And these me great pleasure to introduce it to the show. Welcome terry. Hello beautiful. Marie is such a pleasure and an honor to be here with you to be sharing everything that we're going to be talking about today to Sobe looking forward to today's call now. Now, I love the YouTube ship your journey to creating this business working with angels. It's been an interesting journey and had anyone told me ten or twelve years ago that I would be doing this. I would have as politely as I could smiled and said, no, thank you and walked out the door and shut it. Very firmly behind me. I wanted so much just blend into the crowd. You know, not draw attention to myself, I have felt different like, so many spiritual entrepreneurs and healers worldwide they felt different. They felt out of place. Perhaps I never fit in anywhere have not been comfortable in their skin. And I can certainly relate been there done that tried so hard to be normal. Whatever normal is in just simply didn't work. My angels in I have been working together. Consciously for about the last ten years. And when I say consciously, I always known at some point that there were angels in guardian angels and various intuitive gifts in my life. It's just I did my best to stuff them to deny them to ignore them to put them in a deep dark place where I couldn't access them because that made me more different than anybody else that I knew and especially different in my small family. Well, once you open your life up to angels. I promise you it's never going to be the same again when you work with angels. You raise your vibration because in order to work with angels. You must get out of negative energy as much as possible. And it's just a matter of asking asking them for help really that simple mall. Thank you so much for sharing that story because I know a lotta particularly spiritual and sold driven on preneurs tend to do exactly. What you said that you had done many years ago to suppress dies gifts. I was in a gives and really giving you permission to yourself to let them shine. And may who it is that you know, you made to be an an understand the purpose. So just for those people who today listening Terry, and who are in the same position as you a many years ago. What what can you share with them to just to help them identify discovered their own uniqueness and gift him in being able to share it because I'm sure that that's going to be helpful. How did you do that? How did you tap into that? And allow that to come forth, I went to a local bookstore, and most spiritual and soul centered entrepreneurs and healers often feel that a book pops off the shelf, whether it physically does or energetically, you know, calls to them because it's in the wrong spot or something and this very small book by Doreen virtue called earth. Angels, literally changed my. My life. I read it probably two or three times in a weekend. And it helped me understand more about earth. Angels elemental cz. And different intuitive beings and away to start accepting that I was different in in. It was okay to be different in how to start just allowing that. And I remember I really just saw because I finally understood why I felt so weird and people would look at me differently. When intuitive thoughts are good feelings. Just pop in from at that time. I didn't know where and I didn't understand how I could be so sensitive to certain things and everyone else it was really not a big deal. And they just kinda let it wash off their back. Once I started accepting, those those simple things, and it's it's really all about energy, everything is energy. We're working with energy electron energy. We're working with spiritual energy in whatever form that takes for everyone. Do you know three years ago? I didn't even know what a blog. Was. I investment a forty seven dollars to understand what an article was in how to write them. And I thought, you know, they're talking about marketing, and I'm doing angels and ascended masters in crystals, and I have no idea if I'm even going to be able to use any of this thing, I'm learning. But if I don't even figure out what it is that I can't possibly do anything. And thank goodness. You did. Because otherwise, I'm sure we would be speaking today. Look thank you for sharing that story. I mean, how often do things happened to us, and we tend to ignore it. As you say, do you could've just won't pass that book had not picked it up. And thank goodness that you did. Because he you today sharing that incredible inspiring message. So let's talk about in a wealth frequency what you're going to share how you can raise it and so forth. But let's just define if advice people who might or the very fist time hearing that tomb the INA wealth free. Quincy. How would you define that? It is. That part of you that energetic, spiritual soul centered in spirit based part of you, the the inner small voice the in pardon me. I will often say thank you. Okay. Or translate win. I'm receiving information from my guides. So that I can put it into words that you, and I can understand and anyone listening can understand it. It's about speaking. It clearly in a way that people can relate to and then use so the inner well frequency if we think we're not worthy deserving or that. No, one loves us or in very few people. Love us people. Don't like us, all we see is lack and more tuned into negative news stories and other kinds of things and we buy into other people's drama that lowers our energetic vibration when you have a low. It's vibration than it's harder. I'm not saying it's impossible. It is possible. It will just take you a very long time to attract more clients to raise your inner wealth frequency, so that you attract more of what you want in so much less of what you don't does that make sense all about an anti assigned that that made it -ly what you said at the beginning of the coal about. How often we take more noise? We listen to the negative things going wrong for us when we give that energy when we give that attention that in awhile frequency as he said just isn't to being heard, and what your saying is really we need to minimize all of that. We need to surround us those with the positive, and and that then allows us to to rise it in wealth frequency, so tell me then if we do raise out in a wealth. Frequency. How does that help us to increase that businesses? Here's Severi good question. And Marie, and it seems it may at first seem kind of wooing really airy-fairy or out there that as an ex, you know, very simple, short example, we wake up and we start our toll it hurts. And it bothers us pretty much for the for the day in depending upon how bad we've stumped stubbed. It win your when you have stopped. Your toto. Your your focus is on the pain in your towing. So therefore your natural positive energy shield. If you will is a little less strong. It's it's not as intact. And so at that point more than likely you will attract if you're in a, you know, depending upon where you're working if you're answering the phone or you're taking customers over a counter in helping them out more than likely. They will have not such good attitude or they will not be in a good space, and you may even interact with them co workers colleagues or clients in a coaching field and they're having an off day. So you're actually attracting more negatively than you might usually simply because your energy your attitude. Your frame of mind is not an positive state in order to work with angels. We must raise our vibration because angels energy is very high frequency. In order to do that. It's very simple people can do a meditation and I can heat. I can just hear and see is rolling go. My goodness. Here we go again with the meditation. I don't have time. I can't sit still my mind's never quiet. Well, I have a very simple solution to that. You've you start five minutes every day. It doesn't matter what time of day, but I recommend sitting in the same spot and you turn on some music, preferably. Without any words that your your conscious mind does not try to follow along you can light a candle, and you focus on the flame of a candle preferably white or pink white is purity divine white light and pink. Of course. Symbolizes? Love you. Lied candle you focus awfully on the flame. And you focus on your breathing that alone if someone. Will do that. For five minutes every day. It helps to create space for your intuition for your angels, your guides, whoever it is you're working with your gut feelings to come in. If you have a ten pound sack, and it's full of twenty pounds of stuff. There's no room you've got to make room and sitting down in just. Stopping for five minutes. Makes a world of difference. And you know, I have to agree with everything that you've said because early this year actually, probably about a month and a half ago rather than getting to work rushing around getting stuck into my to do list. I might an intense I seven attention. I gifted myself. I call it a gift to take that five minutes. What you're talking about today? But I decided that I wanted to do some self nurturing. So I do a bit of raiding doing a bit of a salty detox program at the moment. And you know, what since I be doing that? I feel so much more connected to my work. I feel comma I feel much more patient in fact yesterday. I let me give you this example. My mother was talking to me, and she mentioned something that my husband said. And when I heard his he what he's saying. I made it we so black. But you know, what when I had that conversation with him something just weived is kind of a and. Rather than saying it in a negative time. I just made a comment at two zero flowed out of me, and we had to come to sation when we had a laugh about it. And both of us walked away heading deeper respect for one another. And I'm sure that it really does back to the time in the morning gift myself that time you admit that meditation that quietness because I realized and he's the listen when I did that because I was angry. It was my ego getting in the way, and when I realized that always I would say, you know, what the higher purpose of what my husband will want in the outcome of this conversation and myself was much higher than my ego. So let's work together. How best that way forward? I would never have recognized that. I'm sure my ego would have been there standing. Hey, really offending. And I think that's true. Isn't it when we really solves up to that? We can appreciate things, and it's lessons that we learn we look at things. Okay. Not negative. But I walk in. Take away from this. What lesson do I need to learn? And sometimes we just keep getting those listened sent to us to hang on. When are you going to take notice Admiral, Terry? But it is important, and I think five minutes, it's a gift that we give ourselves to to just sit and relax and just be the in that space. Thank you. Thank you so much for sharing that it's just by back in you know, what are the main purpose of angels and how they work in in. Let's go back and love you to answer that the best way to really incorporate this is to practice for twenty minutes every day, but starting off with five minutes is actually a gift and you're so right. When you're in that space, it's so much easier to recognize when someone is pushing our buttons whether it's intentional or not. And you have the choice in it only a split second on how you're going to react or not react. The egos job, and I call it ego chitter chatter its job is to keep us in our place, quote, unquote, because that's what's comfortable, whether we like it or not it's what we know. It's we're not being being forced or encouraging ourselves to step out of our comfort zone. So we know where it is. And the eagles job is to keep us where we are safe. Whether. And that can be in a lack mentality a lack of vibe ration-. And when you work with your angels, and I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I don't have any bad moments. Just because I work with angels all day, you know, I'm human too. And there are times when I need to remember what I teach and share with others. We were talking earlier about angel drained, so what's your energy, drain tamen? And can we all have an angel dream team? Well, my dream team is a little bit different from most people's not because I'm so much. You know, hoity toity is just I work with all the angels who show up people who have. Yes. Tans your question and Marie everyone has a angel dream team. It's just a matter of activating them and knowing who they are. And when I work with some of the men and women who come to me to activate their their. Dream team, executives and other coaches. What happens is I get to tap into for example, your energy, and because we're we're working together. Then it's okay for me to do that. Because that's how I received information from your personal angels to help guide you with whatever we're talking about whatever you want to work with to attract and to expand your business. So I for each person nine angels, your dream team would be different than your husband's and mine. So it's not, you know, one dream team for the whole universe. There is a list of angels that there are twenty fifth. Three angels. I believe who showed up meaning. Yes. Thank you twenty five. I'm sorry. Twenty five angels who showed up for this assignment. And there are several archangels and angels. All who have different characteristics or specialties. There's no it's like all of us. We're no one better than the other. We just have different specialties yours is create one of yours in correct me. If I'm speaking out of turn is providing a wonderful way to brand people's businesses. So that they can grow and expand and providing such a wonderful opportunity for people like me to help get our voice out to expand our own businesses and share our unique messages will these angels also have specific characteristics or specialties, for example, archangel already yell is all about manifestation, so helping you make your dreams into something tangible in real that you can see a lot of people are familiar with archangel Michel or Michael whose primary function or specialty is protection. When you he cuts if you're familiar with ethereal energy court have you heard of those no heaven to districts plane with Isaak is I'm sure I'm not the host. And who hasn't hated it? Yes. Of course, you and I right now, we're sharing an energy court. It's a very positive one. And then when we're finished speaking, we will cut the cord because we no longer need to be attached energetically, so say, for example, heaven forbid that you and your your mom, your mother would have a disagreement. You know, the example that you shared with us earlier, you could have said something very differently. Okay. That would have been had some negativity in that energy court of them accent so far. Yes. Okay. And so are canes on Michel will cut the courts, some people call them just cords or theory. Energy cords energy attachments. Whatever language they're all the same. It had the same. Meaning so archangel Michel will cut cords. Now. The thing I'd like to this is a little off topic. But what parents not because he came up. Sorry, guys. Throughout the ages of taking over the interview. Just jackie. He's the negative part. Okay. So the positive energy cords automatically reattach no-one gets cut out of your life, unless that's what you wanna do that make sense. Yes. So we talking about the the angel drain team thing. What about device the angel dream team wasn't important tonight hat today? This if you're drawn to working with angels that would be the first thing in angels can help you with literally anything that you want that you need the desire. That's the very simple. You know, there's hiking talk about this all day long. But that's the simplicity of it to have your angel dream team. I mean, this is the ultimate CEO. Sweet. Can you imagine having at your fingertips? Nine angels that are yours to work with can imagine. Now cannot just. Ahead of question. I just say to us. So you've said nine is nine like a significant number. Why not ten one on aid is is nine does that have significance. Yes. In numerology. Every number has a meaning in you, usually reduce it down to a single digit. So for example, a ten is actually a one numerology is not my area of expertise. I know a little bit about it and the significance of the number nine and Marie is a sense of completion because nine then starts over because ten becomes one. I saw him. You have four and five that makes a nine if you have a five in a three that's an eight. Yes. Kind of one and zeros you said goes back to one again. And then the correct dot side. Wonderful wonderful. So I so what is three angels entered strategies for rising your wealth frequency. An excel writing. Income it seems so simple yell eighty that really works. Well, it does you ask for their help? It's that simple. You know, what it reminds me of husbands who drive around in circles getting lost? And all that needed to do was ask their wives stock on lost. Can you help me? But I might do that. So. Yeah. That makes sense ask for help. And when when you've asked then it's very important to be open to receiving. Okay. You know angels. Are speaking to us all the time. Everyone has at least two guardian. Angels with them. This is not part of your angel dream team. This is a whole different. They're giving me all kinds of words that don't fit one of the word is is cadre or guardian. Angels are assigned to us actually, they accept us as an assignment and they're with us for life. So you're to guardian angels are not the same as mine not the same as your husband is your mother or any of your friends. They're all different and those two guardian. Angels are with you forever period. You know, no. If ands or buts angels are not allowed to interfere in your life for any reason, except if you're in grave danger, and it's not your time to go. Otherwise, you must ask for their help. So angels do the meditate. Nation helps to raise your inner wealth frequency so that you can then communicate with your angels more easily. You ask them for their help in whatever it is in. They don't care if you ask them the same question a hundred million times, they're not like us. Yes, they they're patient. They have patients beyond anything. We can understand. They do not judge us. They totally love us with unconditional, love and total acceptance. And then the third thing is, and I hope that your listeners are writing this part down because this is what's very important. When you ask your angels for help signs symbols messages guidance. It's very important to say so that I easily understand and recognize so that I easily understand and recognize your angels. Are speaking to you all the time if you don't understand angel language. You're not going to get it. It's not complicated. It's a lot easier. It's a lot simpler, and these are the things that I use every day. Of course, you know. Now, it's it's I just wait for the translation because I've been doing this so long, and you know, you work with them for ten years. Most of the time I get an impression, and it may take me ten or fifteen reason twenty minutes to explain it. Because of the words something that I just understand energetically and telepathically is just when you need to put it into words. It's just different never tried to to describe dream that took like five seconds. Takes you half an hour. Lately, and I can imagine. I mean there everybody has a time and they alive when this struggling through something with this just something happening. That's a challenge, and we're added again, and again, and again, and then maybe whatever the time spent is a week month year later, we finally listened to that in a voice, and we think if only I head of listened simony weeks months or years ago and just sign that the the messages the help is out there. It's just are. We listening to it. I we understanding it, and our we taking action xactly what you were talking about before about being open to receive. That is really key is to be open to receive. It's you when you ask someone for help. And then you say, yeah. But I want wanna do that or. Yeah. But I can't. And you find a million reasons or even just ten reasons why you can't do something how about turning it around and thinking of one two or three reasons on why you can do something. It's the same thing you ask a girlfriend for help. And you say we'll I don't wanna do that. I don't wanna do that. I don't wanna do that say. Well, okay. You ask for help these suggestions? And you said not everything. Okay. So how are you going to help yourself? Well, you're not in the keys to being open to the opportunities men, usually have gut feelings, you know, hunches rather than intuition, it's the same thing. But for guys, it's gut feelings and some some of beautiful women out there feel the same same way doesn't matter. How you get it just be open to the way that that you relate to that resonates with you. I'm being reminded to to share with you an Marie and all of your listeners that we are not praying to substituting angels for source God Buddha, Allah, whatever name we put on the creator. It's not a substitute. If you feel more comfortable going straight to source by all means go to source, e e you know, it's angels are closer to us in vibration to energy frequency in. So it's easier for us to connect and to relate to angels because they're really pretty much cross cultural off eighths just about every faith has some reference to angels in one form or another a number really good that you said that to end them. Gabe bet distinction disarm anything's. I want to ask you bet. I neither this is a question that a lot of Alice's will have so. So I mean, we've talked about the benefits of having a dream Chaim in about having that support and being open to listening and receiving on that how does someone go about designing what you would call an executive order direct is made up of angels. Well, if you're connected to angels already you can ask them to give you their names. Otherwise, it's something that I channel for the men and women that I work with and then I so you don't just get the name when we worked together you also receive in depth information about each angel. So that you know, like we were talking about archangel Michel earlier about cutting cords. Well, when you use a sword, and he has one and he cuts away the debris in the rubbish, then things become clearer. So in this instance, archangel me show is showing up to help us with the clarity for our vision. Our marketing plan what it is. We do want in our life. What it is. We don't what were willing to release. And let's see we have an angel whose name is MIR M I H R, and this angel is all about relationships friendships working co workers and a relationship with yourself. If you don't love yourself and accept who you are. It's a little bit difficult to get your unique message out can allows the question. This is decipher tonight. This. We just about it end of that coal. But can I Angell see each other? So if there is a board of directors I'm wondering with all the different characteristics that they have can one be more influential to another luck. Do they have not conflict? But but also conversations around where the one might think one way is better than the other the advice for us to move forward in my way of understanding things as simple answer would be no the angels don't have conflict, and here's the really cool part. Once you have your angel dream team. And imagine if you would this incredible conference room with your your oval shaped or round or square, whatever shape your executive conference table is your boardroom table. You have these nine angels, and you're actually the tenth person. So it's really a sense of completion. At a new beginning, the really cool part and Marie is that you don't have to. Member. Your angels names. It's nice if you do, but it's not required. And you don't even have to memorize which one of your angels. Does what you have this executive board at your fingertips in in your in your thought. So you say okay angels. I need help with XYZ and the one who is best suited for that task out of your executive dream team will show up and it may be more than once. They don't have the same issues of who's gonna do this. And winter we do that is just that would be a whole other. It just so doesn't work like that. Look at Terry. This is just such an incredible cold. We could speak about this old. I think in and still only just touched the surface. But I know that so many people who would want to know more. How can I get in contact with you? They can get in contact with me and marine. Thank you so much for this part. The website address is angel lady inner spirit dot com. That's angel lady inner spirit dot com. All one word. There's a nice gift there for every will. Well, there's blogs with you know, lots and lots of articles on angels and some other subjects spiritual expansion, and there's also a new video series angels, and your inner wealth frequency it's a complimentary three video series where we go into a little more depth about the benefits of working with angels. We. Talk about angel archetypes. And then the third video in the series goes into depth a little bit more with one angel archetype archangel Shami, well, which is his specialty is unique uniqueness your unique message, and what the big deal is about speaking your truth. And getting your message out, whatever your messages, your clients, your friends, your family, and even you need to hear what it is that you came here to do you have a unique voice and people need to hear you very very important. And of course, we will put all of the contact data files up on the show blurb. So if you're listening from the the website than we need to do is click through, and you can get access to those what sounds like incredible videos, sit lay pulp across the Terry. After today's coal as well. Once again, thank you. So. So very much for coming on the show, Terry. We've just going to go into our next segment, which is an inspirational tip that I love to share it. And I would really appreciate if you wanted to to share because this your thoughts on this next tip to because it fits in perfectly with today's topic. So let's just go into today's inspirational tip. Okay. So today's inspirational which has gained there's a tweet -able is it's hard to grow your business on your own. Do you have a solid team in place, which includes staff mentos? And of course after speaking military Marie today. Your own board of directors made up of angels. That's so important, isn't it? I mean, how often do we as solo purdue's feel so alone? Anxiousness is yet really in all honesty. We're not alone at all. If we know how to tap into that board of directors out. Angels love to hear your thoughts on that. It is very important because if we're all if we're working from home or in an office space, and we don't see a lot of people physically it keep we can feel detached we can feel separated. And once the ego chatter gets a hold of that there's no telling what rabbit hole or what tunnel. You can go through. It's not the end of the world. However, it's going to be more difficult for you to get out of it by yourself to have a coach to have a mentor to have your angel dream team. It is a central your business can only grow as much as you grow. And so having team in physical form like a VA, a coach end your angel dream team is essential. So wonderfully said once again, thank you for coming on the show at Terry. If this is opposed time that you have joined us today. Play subscribe to our genes channel because every wait I speak in the privilege to speak with another guess. 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Good Morning Hospitality Episode #3: Flexibility & Trends

Slick Talk: The Hospitality Podcast

37:35 min | 4 months ago

Good Morning Hospitality Episode #3: Flexibility & Trends

"What's up, everybody? What you're about to hear is actually episode number three of my newest Morning Show. I have my amazing co-host the Michaels AKA Michael Ross from bedroom.com Michael Goldberg dinner from noise aware. If you're an avid podcast listener, especially if slick talk you'll understand those names, you know, because they've been on the show, so it's pretty great to be able to do this. No show concept with them. I'm excited. We talked about industry news and topics that are highlighted throughout every week. And then of course has you'll here in this episode. We're going to be talking about the top trends that we've seen as well as the main table no flexibility. So I hope you guys enjoy it's a lot of fun tune in every Monday morning we go live on Facebook and YouTube and then of course, you can subscribe to the new podcast as well on Apple podcasts on Spotify and anywhere else you listen to podcasts. So enjoy guys. He's kind of like The Joe Rogan of hospitality industry right now. off All right. I got a love you gotta love slow video intro delays those Rose the best but yeah Monday morning we are back. Good morning Hospitality. I got the Michael's with them once again, and we've had pretty productive weeks. I would say, you know new month. It's now November 2nd. We're getting close to a lot of a lot of cool stuff happening here. So often, how's how's the week before was cracking? What's new? Yeah. I was all good. And you might start with you this time. All right. Yeah, it's it's quite a busy one for us to where we held a virtual conference and I want to really cool companies and good speakers on it a few of the trends that we talked about. We'll discuss on the show today. But yeah, it was quite a hectic week. What was your main? Take away from the event anything cool bath. Well anytime Simon Laden speaks, it's all about profitability. So yeah, it was as good to hear a couple of different Avenues of Simon approaching probably by the one that I'm I'm excited to talk about today is the flexibility within travel all together from booking two operations to the actual physical space. Yeah, I agree and Simon. Yeah, he's he got me amped up on the second day. He was he went fire all in it was great. I loved it something something powerful about just starting her morning talking about profitability in the hospitality space. What about you Ross what you got? That's why I'm wearing red right? I know that's Simons favorite color is red right store. I don't know if you were wearing these red shoes off a good wig actually was busy like always which is good. The funny thing is I can Wednesday. We had our Monday update and we always tried to make it special. So this time it was Halloween team. So everybody was dressed as thought the security people and everything was pretty cool. So people did effort. So it's always nice to see the whole team complete and we also had a conference we had I meet Hotel accomplish less less very cute excess money. That is actually it was a folks in the Italian market and many takeaways our share later. But I think the most important one that came back was innovation. Innovation was the was the main one. I think a lot of people talk about Innovation now. Yeah, so it was a artificial intelligence human intelligence and and Innovation and the same with also you can you see also in education event or smart locks everything came back. So what school vouchers right off don't even get me started man. We such a good arm going to write my notes now further for the voucher start up that we're going to create know. I think it's really really good stuff. I I tuned off. I mean Hotel early in the morning Thursday and then I also was a part of the return on rentals with you Michael. So both great events, like tons of good stuff. I think is a good couple of days of geeking out and obviously it helped us get ready for the show today. So, you know, I gotta give you guys both kudos for providing the content. Where are you predicting it ahead of time, you know, I love it off. So yeah, this is we're talking about flexibility and Trends and I know we both just kind of talked about Innovations and kind of what's going on with everything like that. And God. I want to know whether one of the main Trends some some flexibility. Obviously, we see in cancellations and help people are booking and what's going on with the industry as a whole with hotels and vacation rentals, but I thought maybe this I'll start with Ross on maybe a trend in Innovation that you're seeing that we're we're going to talk about today. Well, they were talking a lot about personalization but still also like a a combination with with a human interface, right? So, how can we use technology to improve processes also communication because also they they showed actually that people do appreciate she was if they're willing if they're able to solve problems quicker or answer quick or why not. So it was it was came back quite often. Of course a Smart Lock those kind of things was discussed. Like, how can I log? Technology, how can Innovation actually help now the properties and it's also come back to flexibility don't have to be there to get the key Etc. But also, of course when you looking at the safety the hygiene stuff, it's also important lot of things we're discussing there. You see really like how Innovation can actually help properties as well in generating more reservations, even though it's a hard time. I think it's also nice that we actually had we were focusing on the Italian market, right? And we all noted it was one of the continuous was hit really really badly as one of the first ones actually so actually they didn't take the offer made me from other countries and where you can see their hope and of course I said to them as well actually every year go to Italy with my family and this is the first year actually since years I didn't go off happened to be around Italian people that meeting. Yeah, and I hope everything will come back for them soon because they really you see this person I think in Italy there's a lot of single owned hotels being these from your hotels and they are rigged. Struggling now when you see the chain hotel, they have some more Financial Resources by so they they're struggling but you can see they're they're hopeful so yeah, what's a good session with like with incisive and and I think the hotels were joined. They're gonna want to get some learning about how can they recover and he also came back again that now it's China change for distribution channels Innovation wage. Give us was good. I enjoyed it. Well, even one of your one of your speakers Simon a was on my podcast and we were talking about the power of like backing you said back in nineteen, ninety nine when he first started it was all like paper, you know hand-checking nothing know like trying so you had a ton of time with the guests. And now we have a lot of tech we have Big Tex tax at some properties unless your life independent property more likely not going to have a huge amount but still like our time is used in these ways that are supposed to help the gas, but we're not spending the time that we need to because we're dead. Playing with all these other things cool bells and whistles, which are also are supposed to help the job. But then I sit he was talking about we need to implement more Tech Implement more to let it automate to not even not automate but needs to be so accurately able to confuse travel because there's a lot that goes on with Travelers so many variables and I from looking for that perspective was super cool for me because I'm always about the guest experience and like you said he was telling me about their their markets are like 5% occupancy. And so to be at that low of level two off then think we need more tax in order to get our staff read was an interesting perspective to take on and I I I understand where he's gone with an I totally totally agree that there was a lot of cool things that you could do with apis and out their stuff that would have freedoms in order to make that human connection a lot better. Yeah. Well, I would talk about apis but might be more topic for next time. I think also you go more to like a dog API Academy, right when everything is connected with that somebody else the idea and you just building your product around others apis and your own so it might be an interesting topic for next time but what Simona indeed said this whole combination of artificial intelligence combined with human intelligence is super strong and a lot of people say they had the people think they have to choose right or they going to stay with with the human interface or going to move to age. But I think the combination could be really strong. So there was coming back to this happens in there. So it was a good session that that's why I meant to say was not happy. I but you know what? I mean, I know by healthier choice, thank you Michael. What about you man? Cuz we're seeing a lot of Trends obviously on vacation rentals side. And I think Mickey from the RoR Iraq was a great speaker on talking about a little bit of innovation and flexibility, especially when it comes to like that hybrid model, which Simon Lehman of course said to we're going to hear that word a lot more, but birth I think you had a good section with him and I kind of want to touch base on that. Yeah, I think something that blends in with with human Ross were just talking about is and it's something Mickey and Simon both off and Julie as well buy it was about hospitality and hospitality. And right now the push is for everything to be automated everything to be digital and and hotels can learn a lot from short-term rentals getting people to the door and walking in without having to contact them in person but hotels sortly at each a lot to short-term rentals about hospitality. And where where is the log in today? And where's the line going to be two years from now the lines today is full-on contact list stays. That's that's the global standard wage. With like two years, you know, I I'd like to think Hospitality plays a roll back in Hospitality one more time, but I think people are getting like the ability to walk straight to their room and check in versus standing in a line and doing things that should be automated. Anyway, you know, it's there's nothing worse than being on a ten-hour flight and checking in another towel and waiting for 30 minutes because there's cuz they have to give you a key like just send it to my phone and I'll get a bunch of code in or I'll use my phone to ring the door things that short-term rentals are proved that and we've been forced to because there is, you know all the rooms or not in a single building wage, but then the the hospitality touch, you know, it's it's hard to express Hospitality digitally like people travel because dead They want to meet people and see people that experience cultures and ask questions and learn. Yeah, it's you know, you can sure you can do a walking tour from your phone. That's not cool. It's not giving you a feeling of belonging or or or being a welcome to a place. It's just further distancing yourself from from Humanity off. So, I think it's it's going to be interesting to see how technology can play an important role but how Hospitality gets moved back into town to all sectors of of travel, but I I really liked the Breezeway session because the the property manager that they brought on to discuss their topic was telling how they actually Incorporated that Hospitality kind of like feel to it. Like hey, this guest doesn't like this. They don't want to miss a clean they want this as soon as adding those personal touches home. And like cuz I think that's where the biggest from my point of view from from when I was a manager was that the front desk would know all these things right Mr. Smith does not like wage as he wants to use due to do but why you name it and it gets all done on their side, but nobody communicates it to the housekeeping or even to the maintenance person. And so let's save my maintenance director is going to go a hell, you know fix a fireplace, but he doesn't know that Mister Smith does once you know things done a certain way. I don't know you you name it, right but incorporating that into a platform where the whole team is able to be Hospital like be able to provide Hospitality cuz I think that's where one thing is like the front desk always gets Hospitality credit off but there's no you know housekeepers don't see the the notes inside of reservation. They they see a room occupied dirty or clean. That's pretty much get them hotels by the month. Just spoke less and what citizenm when they introduced different business model. But also when you looking at that people write it is the same person could help you with a check and even though you have to check and by yourself, but if you need any help somebody will help you get the same person who's selling stuff on their shop, but it's the same person also serving in the restaurant. So they making this flexibility also within the workforce, but I think for for people with Indy hotels pretty fun to do different stuff and not always stand behind the bar all behind the reception. So there's also if you talk about flexibility, I think it comes back also in your in your Workforce and your employees. What was the bank they gave it away with the tellers and they created a call from job I think is unclear right? I'm probably known for some Hospitality training change that they made Louis ten years ago. Hey like Bank of America or Capital One or something like you you can go into their bank, but it's really just the coffee shop here. There's they're coming the US. Was it the yeah, I'm just glad I'm glad something like that ten years ago. The Capital One just launched one could be because you can make a coffee to helping you and then you can buy a couple dollars. You can just have it should each other and they may even work from there. And yeah, yeah, so it becomes like again they get back to the flexibility. Peace, but it's also Hospitality. It's it's accomplishing multiple purposes with the single-use space and the bank which is typically a sterile environment is now a warm and inviting environment. It's really cool to see innovation in places that you would have never expected it and I think hotels to Loop it all back and tells they're starting to learn this and they're being formed. To with coded there's private gyms in single rooms. Now, there's workspaces of course and I saw one girl always doing recording studios. Is that a few recording studios in different rooms. So, you know, depending on your Market where where you are how you can attract locals to your hotel, which is something no one's ever really been focused on before they get to look at their city and say, you know Atlanta has a ton of recording artists or a bunch of future music off the Jewish competitions users. And so let's let's pop some recording studios into some some vacancy Job full time of day with the last year, but there's there's a lot of cool things going on. Cruise lines in carnival it's not selling a co-working co-living experience. And I think the the details are still a little big try to find it but between 25 and fifty K, but how long it was clear and everything but I think they just want to just test. What is the feedback or people open for it before they actually touching it when I think we just want to get some customer feedback, but I was fifteen thousand dollars. They better include everything right and and like they're right like for sure that's not included. What is zpu 4 sure will be included. Yeah double occupancy. I mean, it's it's cool. I like the idea. It's like a semester and see kind of thing. But for that kind of price you you're really narrow and who's who makes that much money and there's that isn't that point in them? They can get on a boat for six months. The first thing I was thinking. I know that always on the cruise ship the internet is so bad. Right? It's always a using the satellite internet. So if you really want to get tech people and not on board and if the in 10,000 the work they would jump off the boat probably so I'm not sure like what is I love it that they're just thinking about some new ideas and to how to fill their ships because it is challenging right? So people do it or not another podcast. I was a big fan of like early early when I started my journey in Hospitality. They were talking about wage. Um, you know Cruise not selling their, you know, their boats for this kind of space but more just docking them somewhere and allowing it to be just Hotel co-working space. It's going out to see for like six months is docking some more cool somewhere where there's a good market and destination ish. You know, you could be locals. It could be people that you know drive to It New Orleans is a real job. Popular spot that I know a lot of people leave from cruises. So like if there's a cruise ship that docked there and I was able to go into town and do some Mardi grass type stuff safely. Well obviously with Cove in but then I go back up and do podcasting or any type of known that work. I think you know, that could be another Niche and they're talking about. Yeah, there's like in both of them. There's like about what you just permanently dog. Actually. It's just doesn't doesn't go into the waters and emerges stays there and actually just it's a restaurant you can work that there are some offices when they do quite well, so I think in this stage young people just don't want to travel or for a way. This can be opportunities, right? Yeah agreed and that's that's why I love about the hospitality industry is it's like with all this like we all look back in March and April and how freaked out like, obviously I was freaked out but I think we all were like what the heck's going to happen, you know, and to now see where we are eight months down the line seven months down the line. It's pretty incredible to see the things that wage. Ever we put ourselves in a box and now we're kind of having to get ourselves out of it and it's really cool to see you know, I would love to have a hotel that has a podcast Studio where I can go record like so they're coming to my co-working space. I'll check over there like being my element but it's just cool to see these new Innovations of space instead of just being a basic room. It's now now a lifestyle type type Trend that I like watching it happen. So what would you see the Netherlands now actually restaurants they have to be closed, right? And the restaurants of the hotels can be open but it's only they conserve gas from the hotel so you can see all the way until they move into packages, right? So stay need packages directly. So this is really like the record. Okay. We just selling the whole experience because you're not able to sell data separately only can thousand a good to see like directly from the the one day later it just selling sleep and sleep and eat which is yeah. Yeah funny song. Another Trend in Hospitality at least in sort of criminals is regulations find when you look at regulations. No matter how fast lawmakers move the public industry is faster adapting and in in my town bars, we're closed but restaurants are open Monday. So what you had was bars now started selling hotdogs and now they're drugs and then they can be open. So like everyone just adapted so quickly and with Michael answered am with a hotel that can serve food versus a restaurant and can't So so the hotel room now costs to euros to spend the night and dinner is right. So you just press monetize and separately you're not actually allowed in your hotel room, but I'm not a member or you're staying yeah, there's just ways around regulations and well, there's no deposit barking what you saw the around the around the airport there was it was like kind of gave up working wasn't allowed. It was only the official parking's but there are companies that just had one office. What is a virtual office? So you rent this one including a parking spot. So you ran the office for a few days in the Parks, but nobody was using the the the virtual space but it was packaging so they could sell the parking spot. So it was like Park and pork Park and work or something like this, of course everything everybody just took a flight and parts cheaper than the officially so I love this Innovation and the kind of disrupted wait to see what they just gray area. Where can we still get some business for the hotels? I just fully understand why they just have to adapt. Quickly and it's a good initiative. Well, we talked about subscription models last week and part of the trends and flexibility thing that we were seeing in some articles this week as we're prepping for this episode was people are going like exclusive exclusive membership. Like okay. It's like a timeshare in a sense you you pay x amount per month or per year and now you have all exclusive right back through this condo like we saw one in in California that was doing that joint exclusive membership rates only no, no transient walk-ins. Nothing it was okay you sign up for this membership. This is what you get you're able to leave stuff in the room come and go as you please as long as you give us a heads up type deal and that that was it and so I think it's we're seeing a month. I guess that is its regulation driven as well in California. I don't that's just my gut. I want to know more like a game. Probably the most restrictive state in the country when it comes to covet and the the whole tourism and I think Gavin Newsom the governor said you can't have more often and two families at Thanksgiving dinner this year and everyone has to wear a mask inside their own homes. Like you can't regulate things like that. You you literally that is that is not the government's role. Um, and so my my guess is the best hotel is doing that because people can now be labeled tenants and then they can come and go as they please and they don't have you know, whatever age restrictions or regulations might be in place true. That's a good point. I think about that because California is pretty heavily regulated with it. So it's just another just another thing another Trend. Oh, well. Yeah, and I think that the two kind of just end on that note of the subscription model and and now like we're seeing lots of hybrids. I'm curious to see I want to like wage. About hotels on vacation rentals a lot. But I want to see what restaurants are going to do. Like I know for my first hotel that I ever worked at the Davenport in Spokane their their terrorists bar. They've now offered that igloos like outdoor regulars for like there's snow on the ground. It's it's really beautiful at school. They did it last year pre covid-19 was like success, but now even makes more sense within right cuz it's an independent little bubble for your your your your group. So I want to see what what restaurants are going to do. Cuz if like you were saying if you're a bargain you can't be open but you start serving food you can so if you're a hotel but your hotel guests can't go eat restaurants. We have a restaurant. So what about the restaurants are they going to start getting into office spaces are accommodating and building this type of the opposite indeed to sales own rooms above around around the rest. We saw as well what we did it with bedroom is that as soon it started than the restaurants versus home? And to get there and people inside we connect them to to delivery platform cuz we helped them to calculate with you grease and stuff. So they start actually before they might holding it up because they want their people within the restaurant but you see them you saw their hotel. They they after Survivor I said, they really went to pull delivery and everything. So I think you looking at full Liberty. It's a huge moment. It's grown a lot. And so yeah, then they can they could be awful reason for hotels to get people familiar with their food, right so they can use it also opportunities, even though the generate some income now, but eventually when you are at some place a few times, then you are satisfied next time when everything hopefully, I ordered there a few times but now go to the full experience and then just going to eat in the restaurant. So if hotels do well as a restaurant doing well now could also help them a long-term, right? So don't see it as a threat because wage of hotels are still seeing this as a threat like, yeah, but it only used for delivery. We want to sell this whole experience. And of course, we also drinks are important for us because the highest margins are drinks and the alcohol and stuff. So you have a job. But maybe providing a good service now is still make some income later and things come back to normal. People are allowed to come in to your best friend. They come the first thing they think about is your place. So this is I think that also if you just talking about the definition of fatality is also just create a relationship right and that's again we go to less topic creating a relationship or a loyalty with your with your clients because you went to this restaurant last year's for Thursday is closing completely and just shut down and don't deliver and then people just finding out the place and thing you might do this customer would just go into your husband several times per month. You might lose them forever. Yeah, so do things on that one, you know, I'm with you like the places I patronize during the worst of the lockdowns were friends businesses French restaurants and the restaurants that I loved to go that I did want to see disappear something. I just thought of it would be really cool. Like the nicer restaurants have really really good chefs do some do some courses out of the professional kitchens. I'd love to see what it's like to cook in a professional kitchen. I enjoy sucking and I think a lot of people during Another put the iPad also in the kitchen and together they cooking for example the greeting again, but there's of course what people. Before you go to a restaurant because when that dog experience, you can make it cool, right? You can see it now in the music if he's a marked as they're not allowed to give any concert to go into virtual concerts or live stream concerts, and this could be opportunity for you for for Chef for restaurants. Okay. This is me. This is the way I'm cooking this. I'm just took the meals and stuff and Anthony Wright people like that. I took a couple of courses from this guy. He's fantastic. I I can't wait till they reopen it's going to be yeah, I agree and totally off topic but I even did like a virtual date this during this whole like Cove it's tough where I'd like the ingredients to the the the back seat and then we cooked over FaceTime together and it's like there's these cool like little things like, you know FaceTime and this video like in person it adds like a little this weird dog. Like adds a little bit of uniqueness to it because like you said we have to innovate right? So if you're going to do it might as well build that that cool connection, like you said, I would love to see like one of the chefs office work with I would love to have like a cooking show. That's exclusively for me heck they can even do it in the restaurant they could provide an ad pipe at at the table and do a virtual stream and just say, you know as he's making everyone's meals he's just kind of talking out to the to the camera or something. I don't know there's all these certain things that you could do. That would be that'd be kind of cool. So you're you're making your way you can follow house making your food and then you just going to send it to your place. Right? So half hour they just bearing it and then you can see not much later than your own place. You create the whole experience, but you don't want to see but if there's a good it's a good one will be fun to see what is actually how do you prepare an emu and how much later you're going to be delivered? That's actually technology right? You can see how they can very immediate job. Kind of maybe refer to reality maybe if you would like to but you just okay, how do you create a meal because she has to do something and this is again to create kind of relationship and it may be that would bring you so much money. But again it just stay visible for your clients. And I think that's so important on this stage. Do you still stay in contact with you with the audience? And that's what some people forget why they say, okay. I'm just closing completely. It's not profitable and hopefully in a in a few months are reopen but anything recovery going to be much stronger than the same in our company, we could say we're going to lay off half the people or more but then if you want to bounce back if you want to recover that building you'll come back. Thank you much longer. So if you really want to recover quickly, it is a risk, but eventually of course if you want to recover quickly, you should take some risks all the time too. So it's just by being more transparent live streaming a Chef cooking your food and having it delivered to your house. It's just another version. So that's like we find I think the more we find Transparency and keeping the good service alive. No, ma'am. But whether it's going a little extra mile to you know, clean your rooms better and and Market it that you're cleaning your rooms better or just doing other things good service is always usually going to end up being on top on top of page. I think it's more than just saying you clean rooms better than other people, right? Like I think that message at this point. It's kind of watch the way the watching the chef cook your meal would be super cool right or or we're having them jammed, you know stick to you the ingredients and then you Facetime with the chef and you can't with them. Right like I have is the chef can do it with twenty people that sign up and they extend out these boxes of food and everyone Cooks together and watching stuff like there is two ways to innovate even get a restaurant that's probably harder to innovate than a hotel or short riddles that can Flex their their usage and their records work. Yeah another mentioned once but you got the guys suck. Hello by actually they were settling Group Travel and group Travelers Not really dug is pretty dead now, right so it just doesn't work what did they they had the whole platform when people could log in their head they up and everything so what they build within the three weeks the people do kind of prefer to travel so they can still connect with people so what they did for example you go to Japan they have like a 10-day program to your plan so few hours per day you just learn about the country and everything but still you created an office so you're like when would maybe 20 people other Travelers you could communicate with each other to actually felt like you traveled kind of to get even though it's virtually of course travel is different experience. You want to see them your life but for them keep them alive or actually because they're doing this they get money from I think from the Japan tourist bureaus actually is a lack of the project. They they get quite some money so they could survive so by actually adopting those kind of Technologies and stuff and Decay this innovate them because otherwise they all just probably be bankrupt and now there's a Vibe they get some money from I think from your van. So there's a wide by using Innovation and they just have a dog Survive till everything comes back and then they can just continue again. So I think there's also important by the same with the rest of you. I'm sure down everything and hopefully doesn't take too long or it's try to innovate could either way you can see in hotels as well when they're in in here in Poland is okay. Just everything into safety that menu there is no menu anymore as the key. Where's the menu was a few months ago when you could still go to a restaurant and I said, no, you know off on your phone. You just have to order a new phone. I would just stepped away completely from the newspapers and everything and they directly innovate and I think this will be happening more right and as Michael Said by checking in with paper writing down. What is your name of those things now you have the time as a property as a hotel as a restaurant to innovate because yeah how you can experiment right? You can make some small mistakes, but if you're a hotel or restaurant fully booked again, then if we have a mistake it will be more challenging. Irish angry and with the restaurant thing that package that you're talking about I actually saw restaurant do that. But the one thing that they didn't do was like allow you to do the FaceTime with the chef what I think would be cool. You know how we're doing QR codes now everyone's doing like you our menus. So you do a video of that certain meal on how to make it you have a yard thing with the instructions and the ingredients and then maybe that would be a cool way to do it. But yeah, if we have any restaurant doors that turn tuned into this. You're welcome. We just gave you a new business pivot. Well, I know I think this is a good episode guys any final notes or thoughts up for this week for for anybody, you know with you guys at noise away or with that bedroom. Why I think to put a bow on it like they certainly the term of 20/20 is flexibility. You can't have prepaid bookings anymore. Almost every booking page every type of travel is flexible. The booking windows are no longer, you know, six week lead-times to destination markets there a week. So, you know, I think moving into ski season where October November is prime booking for January February. Probably in bookings are going to come so January February right before people travel. So hang tight and I think people will show up. It's just not going to be the same way. Yeah, give them a reason to show up. I think here's when it happened. Why do we just discuss it in the airline industry they working with file jurors and still to get some income and be flexible on this. I'm really curious. Also. This is not so common yet in a helpless. And of course my individual hotels might be more challenging but if the large changes, okay, we just if you booking through us or just kind of semi-flexible. So in this case, yes, you just your your maybe your amount of your your name is nonrefundable, but you can locate you can reach change or any property which would like to have which would like to have any date. I'm really curious if they are top in those kind of things because in the airline's really, now and earlier every month giving vouchers and stuff to steal not pay back everything. So I'm curious if hotels also coming up with how can we still survive on this date? But it will be challenging of course for the individual properties, but they might be given different experience rather think everything everybody's curious now and I think that was the time for education to show everything is okay how it achieve is cooking. It'll be super interesting might be even say Okay. I want to see how cleaner and cleaner may be dead. On how long it takes you take maybe to clean your room in 10 15 minutes or if I would clean my bedroom will probably take me five times longer because he has kind of like a systematic approach. I'm pretty sure to see actually like okay helping those things more efficient, but it is not every process is the operationalize in this very interesting. You can learn from a lot out there even don't Hospitality right now. They just dealing with which customers with a good for example, when there's an issue with challenging because it's also is a management. So I think they can learn a lot from Hospitality. You can see the other people did offset the schooling and they work in different businesses because they have this is the approach. So I think now we also way to learn from your Society actually and I hope they all share with what the what they can do. Yeah, totally agree kind of said it better myself. Well, awesome guys, let's do this again next week. Thursday

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GPE014  Creativity, art & following your passion!

The Good People Effect

40:43 min | 2 years ago

GPE014 Creativity, art & following your passion!

"<music> my name's Michael Welcome to the people good people effect these what happens when you will surrounded with Ryan people right in to help you podcast is all about being crying. You're on your adventurous spirit and your please sit back relax and enjoy another good <music>. Welcome back to the good paypal effect podcast. I'm so happy to have you here. I know it's been awhile Prima Soto. My things jumped on a plane in album our little adventure around the world doing my thing if you want to my journey go to the today dream of project on Youtube. There's a link on instagram. They'll be a regular video series on youtube and R._G.. T._v. but that's not coming out for a couple of weeks but subscribe now just click on that button and everything will be the support really helps me out anyway. Today's Chatswood Danielle Weber who's an absolutely beautiful and very talented oddest for Melvin. <hes> are really if you've heard any of the shows before then you know that I'm really into people that have the bravery to chase their dreams and follow their passions in life and fun whites. Daniel is someone that's absolutely Peter Mazi. She's four Shit Path in the world and this chat that we have kind it gives us an insight into her creative process <hes> her story how she began and where she is now and it's really a glimpse into the world of an honest which I thought was really really cool. Very interesting girl had an awesome chat so without further dirty. He's my chat with Dantonio. Okay so what's going on. Kill this is not much house left any great busy lots of work lots of different work. Let's let's of opportunities and Sorta just picking and choosing what I WANNA do now. She's awesome yet. That's really cool school that you've got to the point week into that. What have you got going on at moment? I don't know if this is like a throwback that I saw these. I think it was like a Friday throwback that but so is awesome painting on Instagram and it was the punk yeah that was a bit of a bit of a throwback Friday for our back Friday favorite crazy. I don't know how long ago did that. I did that probably toss. My client probably three. I'm struggling with content with bouncing everything in the moment hints while I'm doing a few throwbacks 'cause I figured that new follows wouldn't have saying that work anyway because it takes a while to put a pace together so he comes to rowing in time so I I do struggle sometimes to have content ideally. I'd like to upload every day but dark so anyone who runs there and business would probably not that. It's odd to do everything well so yeah. So what are you working on at the moment currently have about ten into fifteen pieces on order in studio theme pieces on order. That's like a backlog yeah. That's big backlog that to my studio and then I have about five will seek muros lined up as well as far as like that's what's like masterpieces at on walls right yeah they vary in size but most of them are quite big and it's more like just a a processes murals on as straightforward as starting a Pacey my studio this always going to be bright looks so as long as you expect. Everything's GonNa go wrong. You'll be good okay. Can you think so what are you. What's your process so you get someone coach you up and they say hey Danny? I WanNa painting what happens after that. Asu depends on what it is. If it's something that I feel like I wanna paint us feel like something that I can work with and if they give me enough freedom to work with. I'll be like YEP coup. This is the process of cost in of Vases Dada Dada Dot if they wanna go ahead get a deposit period. You think murals are a little bit different. <hes> sometimes businesses will change their mind or sometimes. I'll tell them to wait. Wait until depends if it's cafe. Wait until you're open six months. You might change colors. You might change change things I say <hes> and if I'm waiting to go in and do a pace in it still construction sought I can generally be postponed for months on end and I sort of just have to solve them in when they're ready yet. So what are you actually do it like so you so like what's your prices. They come up with the idea for it or like design it and had he kind of figure that out because I mean if you gave me a pint canvas behind like six months I wouldn't know where to begin yet. Most people sort of say all this is what I'm thinking. This is what I locked. This is what I want. Some people come and say I want this person and I'll go look they might send me a photo and I'll say hey look. I found these better photos. I think we should do this with the Datta. Most people who've been following me for a while have an come to me commission pace I have faith in what I do and turned out to say. Leave it with you and yet do sharing yeah. I feel like now I've gotten to the point where I'll pick and choose my clients. I do have clients like that. Whereas back when I first started seek seven eight years ago there will be headaches rex because it was literally just doing what people wanted change my nose and change my eyes so pretty much? Go take whatever you can get when you starting off starting on kind of put with those painful and you just gotTa make sure it doesn't ruin your passion along the way say eh which are probably nearly did and that's why I guess what do you mean what happened artist working off commissions that I didn't really want to be doing but I just wanted to be painting so I took them on. What carnage is more like family portrait's on personal? Oh paces and you know maybe some pasta way. I'd be doing that and I'd be yeah they'd come pick it up and cry and so it's not something you want to be beautiful but I don't want yeah so I stopped doing that. It was it was taken to do what you love you. I think one of the elements of that he's doing it. You'll like doing finding than doing it for the reason you love it. Most people pretty good and understand that but I think people who in not creative water and don't have that creative flip probably don't understand it. What do you mean like? Why don't you just paint it so everyone's creativity within the night yeah somewhere? I don't know why some people don't understand it because yeah when you understand it's like why would I wanNA paint your someone. You don't offend people paint your mom black. Dr Your mom mom but don't WanNA paint you. Mom Sorry Mamdani maybe in in the NAS possible I talked about kind of you started a little bit. Can you elaborate on that. What happens in the beginning has beginning Jenny so I had always loved art as a kid and I just thought that because we didn't really have technology that was just what we did to fill in time and drew for hours on end with my brother and I loved it at school? Finish school did did enjoy high school as well but as a you'd have a menace didn't really think much of it and I was pretty bad <hes> yeah it was about to go to university mom's like what are you going to study and I said Oh. Health Sciences ended up doing pretty. Well at schools like wow. Maybe I should actually do something with my law. Can you know if I put my mind to it and she goes with you. Ought I said I'm not gonNA make a living out of being an artist in which I being told that pretty much bothe- because it's not gonna get anywhere. We told you teaches so I then Mama's like he romy. You're studying doing up yeah so if it wasn't for mom I wouldn't be here. One and I guess yeah I don't narrates todd it's so we exit back at that time I would have expected to be here so the cow do it and then you know just continue on with my health sciences and work in a factory. I don't really imagine myself with factory now gross scary not knowing knowing what you want to do and I didn't yeah I didn't at all I think is so much pressure around that young people eighteen now. You need to know what you WANNA. Do Shit out right now. Not Fair really tomorrow one hundred percent the journey. I'm doing what I love and student and this is what I'm going to do forever. It's like it's okay to changes while that's what's best for you and hundred percent or you might have a few things going. That's totally fine like as you know selling as you enjoy it I think struggled with. He's like finding what I wanted to just figuring out what I like doing. Just throw yourself into its many things you can. You said it just eliminate doing kind of cool to forbid yeah hundred sent and I guess when it comes to studying people think it's a waste of time but no one can take that away from me and I've run a business and I probably don't directly use my you know what I've studied but I do like again. All the riding vis as all <music> olek subjects random subjects that I studied in one way shape or form it would definitely apply to my business as days and even your life. I'm sure you could apply some of those lessons that you let you. Have you learn any listens through painting that you've kind of yeah you could apply in your life and it's tricky question but like I feel like when you do something you love. There's always these little nuggets of less information or lessons that you learn along the way that you kinda like they kind of works in life in general as well. I'm going to start applying that have have you you come across any of that for the sounds like really cliche. Probably just everything happens for that happened for raising like even if it's like odd drop Ken of pain on a painting on my that has happened for Raisin. Let's just leave it there so and I think that does apply to everything. Thing in life you know you might go through the horrible situations in which we fight you know if I want to be a little bit more intef surfaces so I think going through what I did as a teenager and be an absolute menace. This somewhat led me to beware I am today on what made me the oddest that I am who knows seek to and that was I was like I told her racing. They like mom. If you wouldn't have gotten seek I probably would be a drug abuser AUDELA lack. It's just yet so I'll off at the time can seem really bad but then happened. Yeah yeah and it's kind of like that didn't happen. Then I wouldn't be here and shit. I think yeah I'll keep saying you're minutes. I'm curious. What would you do probably the best shoplift Ryan you really? I never did that. Did that before returning I I should've around here. Area can call that out. If you want yeah just like I'm never go into heavy jockeys but I was eight when I was younger is about which was bad for that age fifteen. I think a little bit of Wayne isn't that bad to be honest. I think now full stop and think why do anything moderation or a K.. Besides always see heavy stuff so like for example Wade once every month. Are I think they'll be an issue smoking weed every day and you're forty years old. Maybe problem yeah yeah but like you said the best way is no drugs drugs in came in Clayton and I feel like when you're not only drugs for anything that kind of Alta just stayed on when you completely clean even sure even yet any even wok yeah when you're not dependent on anything you discuss SASA flourish to be more honestly. It's it's so true and I like because I haven't touched drugs forever and could go on about that for ages two but I've decided to with my boyfriend. Don't drink this year so I haven't touched drink in six weeks. Jest seeks my Lawf- just like the clearest and most productive Oregon just a few different reasons are I can just you know if I noticed by went out had had a few drinks. The next dad sluggish reminded us like I can't afford that. If I want to get get shit done I don't want to be that's another thing I haven't had my time had plenty of time to drink and I have done that so it's still need to do that. Yeah which feeling good feel good hit Shuhada next is well when you drinking as you get start. Noticing is like what's going on. Wait till Yoda going to get him. What do you mean now? I'm paralyzed for the next day. It's harbor crazy yeah but I think like I said everything's alright and motivation and I still feel like drinking's okay as long as you don't take two hundred percent but yeah anyways. Do you really random. Let's get back to painting yes. I do you ever get our painting. Naming digits think I'm fucking this hundred percent really. What's that like yeah? That's that's rough. I think it was rough at the start now like I just laugh it off because you already been through. Yes I know when it comes almost like you. You can't do anything about this is gonNA roll with it. Get things done but I think at the start when you start feeling like that toward something you love your like. Oh no Eli why this isn't my this is my calling. I shouldn't be doing these if I hate it. And that's where people get it wrong like Ah. You're not going to love even if you I love painting. I want to do it all the time so I think about Goto paint store lacquer. It's but it's okay to not love your passion few days or a few months year. If you don't want to do it yeah it's not doesn't mean it's not for your each alright. Love it as much as you think. That's exactly what you say you love it. What do you love about it so hard question yeah yeah seriously everything from lack? If we want to get technical everything for might just looking at colors like it's so exciting like mixing colors so exciting finishing obviously finishing a painting and be proud of yourself is the best feeling ever especially with if you've been to battles to get especially especially giving those where you really thought yeah like a road into a fifteen megabyte made a wall lacking. I haven't done this before you know. Maybe I should've let not disrobed this road into it and feel like finishing that when you really yeah yes sorry and then yeah just everything about it like the way makes people feel how people message me all the time and hey like you've made me start drawing again. Hey you've made and I was like even if they don't make as the leaving as well lace like they've found their outlet triggered that awesome like it's really cool yeah so I guess it's not just the physical side painting sold the little things that come with it yeah so just coming back to what was saying a little bit earlier how you said like your mom kind of helped you push you forward and concave you that little push donated needed and a lot of things that happened that might not so good in the beginning of turn out to really help you your way and he conned today. What do you think <hes> was? The point a win was the points that you realize okay. I can actually make some enough money to leave from this <hes> because that's the that's the thing I feel like a lot of people worried about <hes>. You can't really follow my passion because Yeah I love doing. I'M GONNA make any money so why I'm just GONNA keep working. It's not that I hate it is scary and everyone needs to leave. Make one thing clear like if it wasn't for my parents. I probably wouldn't have been able to do it like I'm still living with them as much as I helped them out. They've supported me financially. Well I mean I've always had a job. Sorry from thirteen years ago each I've been like supporting myself financially but obviously I've had a roof over my head Greenie transition from your job and kind of like like all of that world and entered into this one. What was that stace like? I guess it wasn't really a transition. It was something that evolve because I started when I started painting a literally gave them away for free or just charge the materials so I was working two jobs and studying full-time still thinking. I'm just doing this as a hobby just doing this as a hobby. When things started getting busy I sorta started charging more and more and more didn't really go from charging nothing to charging to grand it was was something that just evolved and I didn't really say I'M GONNA quit my job because I'm GonNa make a living out of these? It was just lack. They knew that I had no interest in my job. I was working co was horrible. I'll year wasn't a great employee. I'm I'm really sorry 'cause obviously my mind was elsewhere and you know it was into traveling. I just really wanted to a was more lack. My was still a hobby but then I realized Oh my oh why probably be should be charging a bit more 'cause I'm spending X.. Amount of hours and then it just evolved into light-touch more and more more and I wanted to travel so I had to paint more and more more. I'm not just sorta how it happened. It wasn't really like okay. Let's quit my job and make these transitions just sort of like a survivor uh-huh yeah and like I knew that if I was going to want to just do travel and leave a little had to have some foam income so yeah so what you're talking about kind kind of evolving and Kinda how your Hey Sata charging more. What do you think like your stars of all? Do you think evolved as a painter from the beginning obviously if you rip up your first painting right now and show to us shorts not going to be that great but hey wasn't that good. It was pretty bad but I was just all of yeah I think so I think there's little little things that I've taken from over the years and and run with them. Yes I think I have a style but I don't think I've found my style during like I think people can look at my work and say Oh yeah that's hers but I don't think I've gotten to the point where like this is my style. Everyone who's books is going to know that it's mine. I'd probably get bored at my mentor always be the same yeah so I think that's why I'm sorry open to taking on hey two different work as well because it keeps me specified <unk> down on that the frown upon not yet <hes> a lot of people in but you need just Stalin on well. I haven't found it yet. I'm only twenty five. They sort of put pressure around like you Mary Finding yourself in your art and finding well why not just take on every different pace if you can do it like people come to me because I know can execute styles so yeah. I guess that's a positive let's go they've seen something they lock in your work and they contact technique for Raisin as happy opinion. That's fine and you'll growing. If you're trying different things you're growing guy so yeah that's cool. That's really cool. Yeah how do you how do you kind of <hes> what kind of inspires you to paint like how he come up with our DIS for Chinese. Where do you really want to know this? I've done paintings before and I felt like I don't know like really struggle with that. Pot Like Paintings Aka once you've got the idea in your head and figure it out. Talk how the Hell do you. How does that come? What happens to you so that is hot and I guess I've had own city easy way out but the way that I've started from we pay me and saying hey? This is what I want it. It's a good in a bad adding a bad thing in a way that I did it for so long that I lost my confidence with my imagination and creativity so now that I've stepped away from a little bit someone come to me in all these things will go running through my head again whereas I used to have a bit of a block but in saying that it eighty still is still have a little bit of a pathway when people come to me so it's sort of triggers those I._D.'s in that and yes. I don't know I said that inspires me in a way that like that's something that they're passionate about so I'm going to create something that they love really motivated the passion yeah so what what happens they come to you and they say denny. I Want Muhammad Ali Yeah. That's the thing like I do sir. I guess I have painted a lot of mainstream people aw CHEAPO. Sorry and that's why I'm here because I have compromised and I might yet. I'M GONNA paint people that can be that people can relate to move away from that. I do WanNa move away from that. I think I'm slowly going the right way slowly but uh-huh still painting people that people recognizing five years time as long as I'm enjoying it don't you so you want to move away for Haney people in general or just painting famous people that Ms People Okay Okay but you wanna Kate paint because I feel like I feel like you do have a stall paintings. Dining center fielder is definitely come the same running through them like which I applied to like old my painting even unknowingly just happens because followed a penny hotels IOS. Let's good thanks to complement yeah so <hes> I guess I duNNo. We're going these but I I wanted to know if you became this is GonNa but I'm GONNA set anyways. I'm starting this new. <hes> these new segment on the shore and decided loss last week I had to chat with these couple that travel around the world and they they really cool and were pretty funny is pretty worked out. Well <hes> so it's pretty much just me far in questions at you yet and you've only got a minute to answer. Each one. Minute sounds like time. It's not it's not that long really it's called the good stuff so <hes> it's designed to either help people out in a huge why just just by making the questions really pardon and helping people get the most yeah you should be and the second thing is just like really really random. Some of them are really random so yeah percent sounds good down. Okay <hes> here. We go timing this minute us go making noise when the minutes up so. I don't really have a noise ready okay so I'm just giving I'll make a choice so I question Danny Yeah what music listen to when you paint and how does that kind of change depending what you Pantheon I listened to everything under the sun to maybe not like hot middle but I was into like it was a lot of people and then sometimes I'll just smash a little universe sixties seventies makes on and then it just gets really good on my guess is cool. This is all the music I bagged my mom and dad for when I was younger. We'll hang on no way I wasn't born into a ninety S. You know what I mean. All Its music that you like this is bad and now we love it. Yep Yep onto a minute okay so tell me about the most recent adventure that you've been on and make you sonic Saudi aw sorry Beth in years and my boyfriend was Laco. We're GONNA go away had no idea was planned. He got a little van a juicy van or if you know what he got one of them and we drove up to go occurs and it was really funny. How long was Dr we took? We stopped lack over a little random places long way. That's the best of a holy Shit strategy of so big you Susan Cool Shit Funky. People and Jacuzzi is good to see me out work. Go that's bad. I probably didn't <hes> Oh yeah did yeah Muros Muros what would you do when you've got to go goes just lay on the beach. That's crazy all right. You don't really well a lot now. These are fine. There's like forty second. That's awesome circulate longer. Okay what would you say was your hardest and why that's really hard this one. I didn't globally it was a hottest because I got stopped the council three times and it just made me WanNa be locked. I Never WanNa paint again because you guys are rude. Really I stopped you why this one because I was like standing on their their concrete you'll get and then the other time I had to get like barriers and then another time was for another the online is like a big a place now magyars yeah. Have you seen that actually made me think of contacting. That's cool yeah that one that was locked yet pain in the US but it looks really not really hot whether it was phrasing couldn't hands okay okay. How do you Prussia paintings? I use the mother you win some you lose them. What does that mean no? I'm just saying that's not really how but basically it is very very hard. <hes> <unk> Muros it's better because you can do a breakdown and literally locked price it up pretty well but with is that my sorry mine about friends is bringing. That's okay sorry you saw Feuerbach. Yes our canvases. Sometimes they might take longer in our might lose a little bit on it and sometimes they might take me less time and yeah so it's hard to cross you. Try to pass by Albuquerque but you really never know how long something's he's GonNa take you okay cool. <hes> tell me about something that you'll really grateful for Danny. <hes> grateful fessing came to my head was still having my grandparents in my lawf- okay. Yes yeah yeah massive. 'cause I just learned much from them. Have you thought about painting them. I have painted them. They'll let one of my first few painting probably need to do it again because it wasn't the greatest by that shows where I've come from too so I do like paintings. It's like that because we're yeah yeah cool just from munition yes and okay. You're killing these questions okay. What's one thing that you looking for one thing? I'm looking forward to all todd Chinese extreme thinking face on that was really odd. I Guess I not looking for twenty five just living in the yeah I really look. I've just sorta Gary with the flow a little bit yeah I mean obviously I have goals but it's not like I look forward to them like I'm just like that. That will like I'll kill them so I was really interesting that you like for me. I look for to a lot of things but I really enjoy looking forward to things and I was talking to this Buddhist. This monk had pushed market. It's like meditation in the middle of the range and arranges somewhere and it was really chilly. We're talking about life for like Aaron Hof and he was saying one of the things he was saying was that you shouldn't look forward to things really we'd way and that kind of had to be struggle struggle with what he said there everything else he said well. It's kind of like a grade one hundred percent but these point was just like really hot for me to take in because he was saying that he used an analogy of pates or and he said when you look forward to the pizza then you have the pizza and it's gone on and he's like you just feel empty and now he's just like what the hell likes blew my mind. It's true though isn't it. It's like but it does come back to levy in the moment. Doesn't it so yeah but you can afford to something and leave around looking forward to that. What if it it doesn't happen yeah he's like? Would you still feel cool. If it didn't happen not really I'm hungry still lack of that pages and all that yeah the thing you know when you're like like fuck the pizza I don't WanNa pates up but you know when you landed and you country for for example and you're just about to like go on these amazing adventure and no matter what even if it like ends up terribly ends up really well. It goes really well. You feel like really excited that you're about to grow as a person and you're that's just how these new experience thing excited is better than saying. I look forward to get really technical agree with that okay. Let's just say that next time you say I look forward to it's like I'm excited for these. I've got trips lined up. I'm excited excited for them but I'm not going to look forward to what if a big job comes in and then you'll be disappointed disappointed. Get excited until something happens. You know what I mean. That's cool but yeah have you ever heard of the Japanese Japanese word I think with the game yeah. Have you Japanese. Would Iki Guy Roy okay normal questions. I thought he would like a million lined up to fire me yeah that makes he looked at juicy questions. I thought that we're going to be lack of notch if you're probably just sticky myself I want to know. If you've heard a Geeky guy you you said North Florida I mean have the show you yourself so it's pretty much what you love what you can be paid for what the world needs semi that and what you're good at yeah and you're in the Middle Yeah Haiku applause. That's pretty cool. You'RE GONNA save that Mystique that on my wolf yeah I said it's you haven't heard of that. Have you been to that. Try Triennial Expedient at the National Gallery Victoria wait. How long has it been there for? Like a week's main check it out really awesome. I'm kind of like go to a gallery really feel like it really good. I probably should black them more than I do yeah into <hes> it depends what it is. Just go then it will. I wanted to paint so get frustrated. Do enjoy looking at though. Do you enjoy what it is the side I feel like I daren't as much as I should. They might be an aging maturity. Being my cousin was signed to me that hail of the Saddam Monday side of feeling things from paintings and he never did before here. It comes like he was just that's cool yeah. It was just kicking in one day. Look painting all of a sudden it just hit him and he somehow naturally getting you know how but he learnt to just. I don't know I appreciate and feel some emotion from peso yeah. That's cool. Yeah I do appreciate them. I guess the whole thing about creativity and a whole thing about his they really are really good. Effect can make you feel something so if you can make whoever you're painting that painting feel something then you kind of my job done yeah and I think that goes for anything like whether you make him video rotting film hundred planning whatever yeah yeah cool cool wisdom rotman awesome yeah so if you had to choose one of your favorite paces which would have pay. It's like picking charges. What's Todd Yeah so there was a pace that I did of May my brother our kids yeah that would be my best painting technically really know my best painting auto but I just I look at it? I'm like that is so cute you have you studied how did how to paint technically and <hes> my tastes really hated me. I tried I tried to study and I did look I weren't Saudi lent anything when I was studying because I did vigil outs at Uni Yeah but I think the best way to learn is by doing it and making mistakes on and the thing is like it all comes down to you as a person like the teacher could be okay paint like this and it's like well. I've found iron way that works better for me. It's like anything really GONNA do it. How you can apply better yeah anyways? You know what I'm trying to say. Luck it's but you could say that about school and in schools are important and education's education's important so take what you can from her and then just kind of feel like the education systems pretty messed up and I feel like if it's another you're looking at what could most benefit children or most benefit people growing up. I I feel like they're learning that at school. You do it to way too. I mean some people learn differently. Some people won't be awesome. Do things hands on that so it's but I mean yeah I know what you mean but education system because I'd be I was not teach I would never touch my students work when whereas I was still style Vesey that come up and paint over my staff really and that was kind of your stuff yet you getting really yeah yeah. That'd be terrible feeling always the cheese on my face Pedro yesterday so really covered completely fun attacked me with my brush deserve it on that said Bain us as well uh-huh yeah cool <hes> are they are the we're pretty good Danny Lock. I feel like we've covered quite a bit is only a couple more. I kinda WanNa Ashi yet. <hes> do you have any like major plans to eighteen. I you kind of doing anything or anything. Saudi let people know about <hes> massive towards the end of the that's GonNa be exhausting. It's like an appeal deny like I haven't even thought that far. I've just got potentially a big space to miss up <hes> but I just have a few geek with paramore this week which is Co.. That's awesome. What do you mean what are you doing some painting something for them? In the league up to the I really specific. I'm painting like they're not they lurker the album cover Jari and we should be co and probably are they concert as well to be also. Get some tickets yeah. That's that's cool. It's exciting so he's awesome working with like the oddest different artists like bodice but yeah that and then I've just got locates the cool canvas pieces coming up and a few other murals in line is Bo but I never ever really stop them. What I'm going to do yep that's exciting travel on the Qods a sort of <hes> slow down the pace of my work a little bit now I used to work at crazy hours not sleep and sort of got a bit of wakeup calls or I don't WanNa look back at the end of the Abi like Oh? I didn't travel because I'll just working all the time. So are you going to Bali much going to Bali in Europe truthful very so Bali's to I listen to aches and then Europe's four weeks which I'm a bit nervous about because I feel like with the stage I am in my business carmody. Leave it full and within two weeks. Why would you think well happen? I wanted you get behind and you probably yeah will because I've got my prince's bow and I do that on my cell. Save some print and I'm away for four weeks and we'll get that for four days. Is there any way you can sit up a process that before you leave it Kinda takes care of itself and then maybe by doing that. Maybe when you get back you might just that process in place and then you'll have talk if anyone wants to package my principal me. Honestly I feel like that's definitely what I need to do. Your Yeah Yeah Yeah. I guess it's so hard when you start because I'm so passionate about it like I actually like. Why don't you just get someone to do it because no one will run your business like you? We do. I take so much pride in like riding little. Thank you notes myself sending him off myself. It's time for but yeah but at the same time like I mean if you feel like travel's important you should definitely make time for things that you feel importing your life conscious painting time but yeah so where are you going to your. I haven't decided yet just like a real chewy out holiday like what's beach. I like the paychecks yeah yeah. That's cool cocoa. <hes> what what advice would you give to pay pool that Oh maybe artists or young craves that it kind of trying to figure out that way that's hot. Well my favorite it quite late people with without discipline. There's no freedom so that's a big one and I just think that discipline is so important. I have a really great balanced life now but when I was studying working working my friends would be out on CNN. I'd be harming the studio working. I worked any any spam. I meant that I had I would be painting okay so definitely hardware darn look a paper where they are now. It'd be like Oh. I want to get to that because it's going to take you unless something a pay drops and you just get there which I've never heard of so. There's always working tobacco someone you kind of say right now but I really say that up to that yeah. There's always work yeah. It's hot. I could give so much advice feel like everyone's different. What would you say to little Danny? Maybe sleep a bit more not God I like before I started on this Lou journey. I'd I'd always I'd always say like just volley what you I feel like if you do something love. You'RE GONNA do it well so that the money become a lot of people focus on money and they do the other way round yeah so <hes> but you gotta leave to see go to make like practical decisions your job. If you're not earning anything from your art year during listen to people like yes do it like it. You know you need to leave and I made sure I was at a stage where I knew that I was going to be interesting how you said that you giving stuff why for free at one point as well so you should be able to do that as well because you really seeing yeah yeah so sir as much as we did evolve wasn't like I'm GonNa quit my job block. I knew that it it evolved because like I'd got into a stage where I wasn't questioning whether it would work yeah yeah yeah also say yes probably house good sounds good it to me. So how can people say stuff hacking people get in touch. I'm an email okay yeah email website like oh my website. I've got my prince website. <hes> and I will always respond. Oh we can Dan me on instagram. Yes I'm GONNA check all this data shots but your interest rate at your email. Let me know what it is just so my instagram his work official Emma email is saying that Jane Dot Com Okay and then my website is w._w._w.. Daniels our doc yeah just know at the end of though right it was actually pretty good work. I've never done that but it really good. That's pretty good yeah Donna. How okay yeah so it's good but yet I'm not a cola all the E furby upset? I'm always calling but I feel like many people call is. I'm not a call at people who I C O. Kohl's and I don't answer them. Just not it's important enough. They'll lay voicemail. Yeah and I have a voicemail yep say yeah if it's backing publisher. Check that okay well. I used to come in on showed any no I appreciate it. I really do and Spain Fun Thank you thanks for joining unit being a part of this awesome chat with me and Danny on the good people effect podcast. I really hope you got semi out of it. I if you want some more information on dining if you want to check out some of awesome very very very very.

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"Take out call but delivery gets pricey so like a phoenix from the ashes. Indoor dining this back at ford's eatery. I use the analogy because the food is fire is a new approach to farm to table. No overall just dope phuc try my favorites like the mushroom stew with pine nuts and for coda the meal fraud. Happy oysters and the seared duck. Also ask about the chocolate chip cookie. Tens mini chocolate chip cookies with a dusting of simply delicious hit over the forced eatery dot com check out the current menu options and make a reservation today forged located at thirty five twenty chestnut avenue in hamden. Welcome to getting to the truth in his art. I am your host. Rob and today's guests is director and curator of walter gallery. Joy day this. Welcome to the podcast. Thank you for having me. i like. I like to come in with energy. I've listened to old episodes. And i'm like i was tired that day. And especially recently. I've been in front of the cameras of had to amp up my mannerisms and things like that. So yes so again. I want to thank you for coming on. We talked a little bit before we got started. But i want to thank you for coming onto the podcast. This is going to be a treat. Yeah i'm excited to be here. I feel like. I'm following in the footsteps of other really awesome people that had on the show so i feel like i have a lot to live up to you but i know that i'm just going to be myself regardless so really cool people on the show so if people this is your first episode listening which doubt you back in western to some amazing people. Well thank you for that. Endorsement assessed grade looking gone or anything anyone's appreciate it. So describe your work in the mission of if there's emission because as always seems a little weird it seems super corporate when you say there's a mission but describe your work and ultimately what the waller gallery about yet sure so waller gallery. I'll describe my work. So i started out as the sole curator and director of the gallery and we started in two thousand eighteen So my work. Kind of morris a little bit i certainly am improving upon my work as i go but i curate the exhibitions unless i'm working co working with aig a artist or a another curators and we're certainly open to collaborating with folks I also you know did a lot of design at. There's i think a question about art direction. It never thought of myself as that but certainly work on the designs and everything like that and now we've been able to build out to have like a volunteer staff and we've had insurance over the years so shout to all the interns that have been I should have their names here. Maybe outlook them up in a moment there they've been amazing it's about four of them In the really helped builds what we have now so my role has been is pretty much everything exhibition design the whole the whole thing. So in one of the reasons for that because we're pretty small and especially at the beginning if not like in the intermediary period galleries will make a whole lot of money but that being said the mission of waller gallery one of the really big things for for our mission is to make sure that we're allowing space or giving space to artists. We work with Oftentimes for a myriad of reasons And i could get into all of them but there's a so. Many artists are able to express themselves living want to within a space. And so we certainly. It's a skill we've had to hold over the years. Make sure that artists are feeling supported in their work. Get to do what they want And so that's important for us and the other part of our mission is to be collaborative with the community to Seek feedback of from them and the third which is the most important is working with black folk and people of color so that is extremely important us. I left the best for last for me. It's really important to me to be supporting these. These artists From these communities because oftentimes they don't get to show work It also happens in the scholarly community so at certain junctures in our short history. So far we've included scholars of color especially black scholars. More specific black sollers in our programming. an thinking about our work. So it's very important to me to to do that. Yeah that's great to hear. And i've had a conversation with the curator's about is how essentially we're in february right now. How important is to have that. That true representation to have not only the work of black creators but also the fingerprints of the people behind the scenes. That are working. Because there there has to be. This words been escaped me. -able ally but it has to be purposeful as to win one. Is maybe putting together a exhibition. I h how. Am i going to arrange this was going to be to or what type of artists with what is going to be the theme there and this is the one that everybody forgets. That is your audience to. Who's your audience. Our audience is very depending on the artist. We present in this base. There are other spaces where some people may have different opinions about how the work is arranged or which artists are highlighted. Sometimes that's like things like racism bigotry but sometimes they actually has to do in based on their audience. Adjust to the honest and then some of that actually has to do with the audience. It's off that's coming in. That absorbs the information on the walls if you will so he does depends And of course when you get into museums becomes even more important but A gallery to like who's going to be buying. We haven't approached where it's not just about buying. It's about telling the story of the artwork so we have to ride like a really A really really thin line between those two things some. I'm curious with the process of selecting artists. artists work. With what kind of traits are you looking for from artists or from the work so that is every question. I feel like i come from a league. Art admin art historical background. So you always say it depends which i think is a cop out but i had to shut out to that very common thing that we all say it really. It really does depend but for us if Artists have come to us with proposals for concepts and ideas for shows in which we usually co curate with them. So that's really exciting because they already have an idea. Formulated any vision. Sometimes we'll see artists and think that they go really well with other artists that we are thinking about I'll save me his unusually making part of the decision and so it really again does depend but those are the practical ways then. Some will do a call. The we did a call for her first year for a show called strengthen practice in i believe we had over seventeen artists. That goes over. Thirty may be twenty six or thirty works of art end so You know. I would love to go back to that. It is very big process so you literally process all the artwork in assessing how they work together on a theme but It's something we're interested in. So those are the three ways that we interact with artists. And i will say to be transparent. We started out in our first year. We didn't necessarily know which artists we wanted to work within the city or emma. We're finding our identity as far as Who we thought would work well in our case because it's very bizarre type of sei's is not just a a a white box in some cases it is i guess but it's not really that traditional white box so i worked with some of my friends to begin with some of them look old. Some of them are national international and recommendations from folks so we we immediately try to break out of that by doing strengthen practice but just to be transparent but so we started out only star from somewhere. And you kind of find it as you're you're moving along as how you're going to craft how you gonna present things and like really what are you doing. And that's in. That's what it sounded like to me. So let's see let's see let's see what could you do. You have any surprising facts about the wallet. Gallery is something that just pops up that you know someone like i'm uninitiated. I know nothing about the gallery. Surprising as we'd love to have you We have a show. Well it's coming out that where we have a show open until march six Contextual exposure a an umbrella excited about it. I show back in the space where we are open to the public by appointments And so you should definitely come out rob and if there's a surprising thing so we live upstairs from our galleries base which kinda blows people's meant some people are like. Yeah those practical that makes sense and then some sometimes. So i don't want to you. What gets the most us the pricing thing for some but for a lot of people that surprising that we're able to kind of manage these faces and It's that's a work in progress but like about Powerhouses set up our house. Lush gallery What's another thing that surprising a. We keep changing our space. Quite a bit okay. We slowly make upgrades. We have been and hopefully when i come back on the show or if you are if we stay in touch i can let you know we get funding. We're we're planning for funding so hopefully fingers crossed. We get it so that we can make even more adjustments and additions and improvements on the space so sometimes that surprises people especially people have come before this. Oh you did the floor different. Oh my gosh she did this whole thing like you know so. That's fun and we're mostly doing it ourselves. So that makes it more rewarding truck be great just when you get that funding you have like a boom boom room or lounge just something to chill in and it's just like this is amazing where the cocktails best experience license. But we do not Yeah a lot of people requested. I wouldn't say requested me. But they suggested to me that i should open like a music venue or performance venue of some kind and i immediately thought just alone liquor license and security in really wanting to make sure the space was safe Both like emotionally saves Since i have friends that are queer friends that are part of the disability community. And like how how to do that. And like i was like. I don't think i'm actually capable to do this in earnest in in complete that mission. So i think a gallery is more manageable. We do do some music on occasion. But it's not We don't like shows but that's you know that's a really huge consideration. I think Twenty twenty one and beyond is like how to make these venues that especially if you think about like. The crown were On the other spectrum auto autobahn and like how you pass to create safe spaces so We're still again work in progress. But i think it would be even harder doing personally for me doing a music venue dying. So let's see So let's let's talk about so do you. Do you have any pieces like of your own or that of your own personal collection that are like super valuable or super important to you and me. I don't know if i you know my collection is weird. I will say this the reason that could you off his look. I don't want to talk about like the value of the artwork. I don't know Some of some of the artwork is You know that. I bought early in some artists. Career Some of them are my friends. So it's not. I am not like a high end. Buyer is what i'll say You have pieces. That are kind of worth over it thousand. I don't believe so. I can pretty low but i will say that they are extremely valuable to me are willing to purchase them or consume them or been you know i mean some of them are a couple of them have been gifts but for the most part you know there are things that i collected specifically because i i want to them in my life in Thought they were not only just important to me but had something important to say. So i think i can kind of grab a lot. Something like a cat. Burglar situations kept it vague about the value. I appreciate that joy but also exactly. I'm won't people we're already so exposed because we have an open stays look at open house in china like you know there really. Isn't you know i don't want end also don't wanna diminish some of these artists since buying their work. Their prices have definitely gone up. That doesn't necessarily mean the work. I have is valuable and i think that that is the allure of the art world is that you can find that gem that you offer fifteen or you bought at a print bears or five hundred. Now it's worth fifteen thousand. But that's not necessarily all always the reality of art in the art world because value fluctuates in the Almost more aggressively than the stock market. So it there's some top fifties right like you're you're Dutch masters. You're like classical certain classical archaeological work Cost the paintings. which is something i studied. It's definitely like in there but it's not everybody. I guess there's an understanding that if it's fifty it means it's fifty thousand. It's like no not really. That's how it works. So in that vein. If this might be hard as i'm reading back over the question. But i still think i could be asked if you could just add anything. Pie-in-the-sky can only be one thing now. If you're gonna anything to your your personal collection what would it be like just something that you've seen though something that you sing tao simplify it because like anything it would make it. It makes it kind of harder. Because i think it's so hard it's such a hard decision. I really so and then it's like they're not happened like namedrop so i don't wanna do that. Let me try to find something neutral. Come with the hard hitting questions right. Now let's pushes okay. That's a local example of go local. I feel like very neutral. I really do love her. Work is extraordinary And it has again. It has a story to tell But there's like abstract art but doesn't necessarily have a story but it has something to say a little bit different but her work Through her multimedia work through her print work through the work. She's doing right now. Working on currently on just like in all in the scale is just. It's like lifelike in its of. I don't know if you're familiar with the work. I i don't want to insult your intelligence years old. I can look this up though i mean. Yeah the way that she creates figures in the way that she does on the scale that she does it is extraordinary and i do think that she could do it in different types of scales and like you know. Are you looking now. Are you just did a google search on images and i'm going to keep this up. Yeah it's so. That is a good neutral. Any artist who. I haven't bought from that i've shown is also on that list and there's a lot of them that i haven't bought yet because i try to be i try to ride that line of but there's who who else Mckinley mckinney walls. The third is one eight a. Pinkston who were showing right now But yet anyone anyone that we've shown in the space of if i hadn't bought their work with. I wanted to buy their work. So yeah i really neutral. But like if i go far out with. I don't know that's like a stamp of approval because it's like when when people do this endorsement thing and i think that that's where we're at when it comes to is not like i like what you do thumbs up. It's literally i'm endorsing with you do. And if you're wanting to have someone's work in your gallery and having like no. I would definitely buy your word to. That's a good. That's a real endorsement. that's true endorsement. Lake that's bagged potentially financially has happened in your space is something about having someone's working your space absolutely but i would also say that just because i wouldn't buy it doesn't keep me from showing work in this because sometimes we'll show work that is different than what the artist known for or because they're like exploring medium and we want to show them or they wanted to share or show. I'm talking about person in particular. They're listening so what type of work and they happen and they feel like this is the space that they comfortable or shaved safe showing the sort of work so all be compliments to. That's a huge compliment to me So it's not always just. Oh i would buy their because sometimes people do performance. So there's it's hard way to buy into that Of course a ticket sale doesn't doesn't hurt or that work in digital but they do print in our space so it just you know. I don't want make people think that like only people by would by and their food is the only valid kind of art out there because it really is based off of Consumer taste and kind of the type of artwork or medium to so like. I said it's the value of our is so Finicky yeah so outside of where you're outside of waller outside of walter's what are your favorite museums. The denver art museum. I haven't been there in awhile. So i don't know if anything's wrong over there. I really really enjoyed that museum. A lot of it looks a little bit amusement park. A little But it is definitely a museum that has really interesting everything for fashion. His you museum they have. I think the only intact series of costa's in the country which most people aren't interested in that. But i happen to be and they have a wonderful kids An education section. I don't have kids. But i often think that it's Pretty amazing if museum can pull that off and pull it off. Welcome and make kids. You'll safe in space in league. Nurture their growth and development. So that is that is one. What's another i used to like. S moma and i like the chicago. Chicago contemporary look. I messed up that name. Look just slandering out here. I mean i just call places like yeah the place. I saw that picture. I'll watch the name sometimes. And i get accused of it. I know it happens. mca the of contemporary. Art chicago What else who else do i like. I'm planning an archway based on your suggestions here. Instead she went nineteen. But those are like it's been each of these cities and i wasn't dipped into like i was kind of one of those a failed. Our kids i was. Just i guess i'll be a podcast or something wrong and i really didn't dive too far into it in wanna go back to chicago so knowing that was the name of that place again just so we get it right chicago contemporary art chicago. Thank you so. I go there and definitely denver and before covid hit i was gonna say to. You is to museums two or three museums and like the natural area that will on my list. And just because i didn't go on blanket on them but it's like when i replayed that trip to national go back through emails and it's like i is history. You know like museum there as a music museum. There's a bunch of foods. I'm going to do that but also just gotta get culture to. It's i think it's important but i don't think it's a requirement. I grew up going to My parents especially my mom and my grandmother were like very much advocates of just exploring art and performance is so art of any medium and it didn't always have to be going to let go to free days like it was never necessarily a class based assessment. They just knew that that isn't necessarily something. That's taught in schools predominantly so that was something that they pushed so The little classes. But i am really excited in the direction. That museums are moving now Whether whether some some folks are kicking and screaming on the other hand a of people are really pushing for there to be like a flattening. A class barrier coming into museums. In i think to a certain extent it will always exist. But there's there's something really great Great great about the try right like there's something been tastic about that because for a very long time. Seems like don't have a problem as with most actually cultural institutions. That are out there. What's in another. I'm now i'm trying to think of more museums. There's pam in miami and miami. Okay keep going. there's a lot. There's i mean there's a lot of art for folks that don't know. There's a lot of art in miami Galleries in museums in a lot of really great points of access to different cultures. Miami one of them being the could the Miami museum the other Is i think. It's the haiti american museum. So there's these other end they do some pretty great. There's also a bunch of great temporary spaces to you like a nice day in miami. So there's other ways to engage with contemporary art. There's other ways to get culturally immersed in rotation in a rotating schedule to learn more. So good miami. I have a lot of suggestions for their noted in new york. There's a lot of them. But i when i lived there. I went so austin that i couldn't pick one saw. Just go to new york. The museum of the city of new york is great. Those are history based but they they do pretty great work over there at those places the brooklyn museum. Of course i would say that. I feel like that's just everybody goes to the. It doesn't matter if i tell you to go or not. I'll go to the. I mean i've never been a whole day if you go through the whole museum. The closest thing that that i had i went there. I want to. I don't wear hell. I was at i want to I guess it was queens and we just got on the train and it was just pizza and the high line and that's literally was my weekend and it was like dorna puerto rican day parade weekend as i was just so much cultures but generally for me like part of any traveling. I do not think because of like like how like traveling just feels super weird and non unsafe for the most part to me. I think i feeling. I'm starving because i've interviewed so many people and learned like just through conversations about what they're they're talking about suggestions as like. I need to go. So i make the last like museum. I want to was like like outside. Like locally was probably contemporary la. You know i've never been to. The geffen walked past it of actually been into the getting before so i mean i certainly would not call myself a museum head like while i studied art history. I'm definitely aware of more museums than i've actually been to It's like a constant learning. When i go into a new museum because i'm like wow the in this way because we don't really uplift museums like that like we do. But we don't like they're not household names unless leg celebrity or tv show of highlights them frequently It's not like you have this Consolidated sense of what these unions look like and they all kind of look different from one another in a certain unlike galleries where they kind of even us having a house gallery. Kind of looks very similar to other house galleries rate We try to add our own possess but it does have It does have a similar footprint rate. So its like visually. It looks very similar but museums. Their budgets are morris or even even in at the time of their inception so they're kind of these grandiose buildings and i wouldn't say architectural marvels. But they do kind of howls. A people and stuff You know on a regular basis. So it's just. It's kind of mind boggling museums. So i have a few more questions give you back the rest of your evening because yeah who wants to talk all day the problem. So let's say let's see. Let's see so we tossed that one out. I'm going to give you the the very very painful baltimore question So let's see what as a director and a curator wearing kinda like both of those hats which goes like let's say top two on both. Which skills do you say that we would. You say that you rely on the most. And what skills do you feel like. You're developing lake. okay. I can do better there okay. Which skills do. I rely on the most General since i will say of customer service I guess art direction in a certain sense again. A word didn't put to. I'll use your word here The kind of just pile on that together things to work on. There's a lot that we have left to work on. are spaces not ada compliant. So that is something that i'm constantly thinking about We have not always made everyone feel safe in our space. So but we've made a lot of people safe nurse so it's an important thing for us to continue to check ourselves on long after we might hear someone say i had a great moment umezo save. That doesn't mean that's Monolithic experience that we always want to make sure that we're making people feel safe in our space. We can't guarantee a safe. Space will be can definitely try and continue to do that improve Let's see i appreciate on his answer to. Oh yeah but. I think you have to be honest. If you're going to constantly be working on it if you're not on the new probably don't think it's a problem or if someone refrains that narrative for you Without actually knowing the truth or not then like have argued really changing are like you know But there's another thing that i wanted to. Oh yeah visibility. So we constantly trying to push the artists. But you know it's it's a work in progress and i feel like we have A lot of motivation in. There's a lot of motivation in the art world fields to pay attention to black artists artists of color in a way that has not existed before so many of the galleries that are currently working. Right have come before we'll have really had an uphill battle in establishing the value of black art and artists of color. I say black art first because It has been a huge uphill battle in In it's something. We're still working towards. But i just wanted to highlight that because it's it's it looks really great now like you hear about all the auction sales and all of that but it was truly a lot of hardware galleries in dealers in art. Historians artists significantly To really build a legacy of black art in the states specifically So i can't kind of push past like us having more at being. It was so much harder even ten years ago to do to do that. Work in for me to even set up a space where i'm solely focusing on or at least ninety five percent focusing on black artists and artists of color. So it's a legacy. You want to continue but i would love to build on that. That just gave me another question. Okay in this is going to be challenging. Because i gotta ask the question so with the black artist local black artists. Who have you who who who. Who were a few that we should just keep an eye on like all right. This person's got some dope stuff coming soon. This person. they're just knocking out some late greater in this great position to have some great stuff coming out like who should we have on our radar and it's not to exclude anyone or forget anyone but just like just some names. Or what have you that. Come to mind just off the off the top of your head man. Okay so off the top of my head. And i'm also going to read some of my else but em we're talking about black artists here So i named dropped a few of them already. But i'll rename them. Some of them are in our show right now. So rebecca mari muthu for certain Who's in our show at the moment. eight a pinkston. Who if no one knows who she is. You definitely should by by the time. That the adjourn this podcast. I mentioned literally at hobbs. I've mentioned mckinley wallace. The third anything that abdul touches basically marvelous in weil Might not do something. That's traditionally visual art. It's definitely visual arts. So i'm just follow that magnificent person and they will lead you on a journey art. But you'd never known There's an artists mostly works in visuals on instagram called afra- velvet and i feel like they are they are it in a way or at least in the next couple of years. I think they're really defining their practice. else with your people's a great near list in does a lot of community based work so i think that's exceptional we shared might be summer afro velvet at my girlfriend believe. She bought some work from her recently. C ardy out here and she's she's very much connected to the community in a way Diamond dixon also a person that both does visual art but similar to abdul ali also does community more community based projects but anything she touches pretty great There's so many more. I've missed half And i know that we can't just spend a whole podcast with renaming meetings but there's actually even more people that better doing community in art based work that is just exceptional because they're figuring out ways in which to give audience will the audience voice. Shame mccoy has done a series called west baltimore ruins and that is a An art project dedicated to west baltimore. And so there's there's so many people doing some great great stuff If people who devon. Alan is which i don't how you how you do. Not but yet he is coming out with. I think a shuai now. But he's he's talker by trade. So i think there's so many other people thinking more names but i will stop. Maybe i will come up with credits and just like i just need that whole list in air and it's just me just dictating devon allen. Yes almost like graduating so so. So here's the last question. I have and again before i even go to. I want to thank you again for coming onto the pod. This has been a tree. Some curious to learn about your take orrin the baltimore. Art scene judges in a very high three thousand foot view. How would you describe it to someone as again. Uninitiated say oh. Baltimore doesn't have any art and his life. Oh let me tell you something. It's had art sense. The i mean it was one of the jazz hoods so i mean it's it's been a part of our in performance for such a long time so that's number one respect orbiting. Please do. But i do think that there's been a dips in laws. There are always been under the artists that have since moved to new york from the city have mentioned times in which especially in the ninety s in the eighties in the early two thousands. Even though we're kind solaire In the early earlier period of the twentieth century there was a lot of different movements especially for For black artists than they were creating in themselves. But i will say being that was part of a mc predominantly like white Art and music scene for a lot. Because i didn't understand that they're actively being black. We were actively being kept out like you know that was a problem but i now see That being turned completely upside down which is fantastic And that's due to a lot of labor by black folks so I'm that makes me extremely proud to be a part of that community And it makes me very grateful to them. I feel like went. We asked the question but no you. Didn't that says. If i thought there in i appreciate you sharing that. Yeah i really love the city. I really loved the art scene in. I'm glad it's i'm really really glad that It's mostly it's mostly black and stuff at least the white Spaces floor white artists Continues to be. But i'm so glad that there are You know people pushing against that and it has to be. I think like lip service. Change wanna do this. It's like are you doing something net substantive. Are you doing something that is like meaningful. And i think that's a big piece of it because i heard some really interesting stats. On the number of black curator's the number of percentage of black arden in galleries and things like that. And i was like oh single digits here and a country. Yeah yeah and seeing that we kinda are like moving against that is great and i think it needs to be illuminated because it's black city and it. I think the art coming out of here needs to be representative that Just a an equitable way. Not just oh well. Everything is black is coming out of there. But in a way to make sense if we have a city that's comprised of over sixty percent and it's like funding's not going to certain folks who are happy that represented over things. I don't wanna make. It seem as though like racism is over like. I'm not trying to paint that picture like. Oh yeah it's such a black like it still involved get. The funding is cooler. Be the collectors are not collecting black. Our city and they could be of any race so Anybody but like it doesn't it doesn't matter like they aren't going out there and purchasing at a rate that is sustainable and equitable. As to what you're saying but again that is changing it used to be. I think much worse but that that is changing and more artists are getting biz ability which is important. I think tokenism happens a lot In the black community but also in people cutler with people cutler not lump them. All together. I've just seen this multiple times. There's another representation. They'll have a token poc a token black person. Like it just on their roster noah. Any that's that is probably obvious to system in the art world. But i just think it's important to to illustrate the third needs to be more of us more black folks in the market and being in even if they don't buy into the traditional capital a art market Being having the visibility to show their work express themselves in a way they want to without getting caught shutout or silenced. In like my my room. That i know of an developing than having tastes like i realize i understand are in some ways. Low more than average novice. I suppose we'll have you kind of understand what they're going for here. Oh i see what they did. That's great that's great technique technical and it says something to me and all of these different things and and it's while still acknowledging i'm a novice as and what i lean into when it comes to raise always like pop culture and i still see it and it's like oh in matters like you kind of double dip right there. You have a person of color. Queers like heavy to people of color or can't be to black people has to be these different archetypes in kurdistan. Yes and i just sit there. And i lose my mind on it and it's like it's like you're trying to check all the boxes with one person and i think that's where i was gonna say the idea but it exists that the ethnic ethically ambiguous The tension with being With with people being presented on tv ads Any sort of media as ethnically ambiguous because it's perceived in most cases it could be true. It's really hard to tell part. The challenge in the problematic nature of it right is that we don't know the actual intentions of every individual and it's really frustrating. Because you're like it's obviously this. People are absent minded immediate and bachelor mat. And it's it's infuriating. it's more it's infuriating But yeah the three that tension comes from is because you're trying to check why can't everyone kind of just an also. Why draw attention to that as a plot point when you really just wanted to see. It's like it's very challenging right. I think anyone that is of the marginalized community who is black. Pse part of the disability community should have centerstage. That is not. I'm not saying that they shouldn't i just think sometimes it's like they're not seen as people there seem. The prop in that makes me feel really icky Yes it makes me feel really icky. It's like why can't they just have a general storyline. Maybe they can be a fantastic person or maybe they can just be like a kid going to school like i. You know it's just. It's so complicated. But that's up better the realm of art in general that like really is hell bent on. Mike exemplifying. somebody have to. I want i want them to exemplify chunky. Black is a super bowl and wear glasses. So i can get roles and then from the inside i will affect change but yeah herbs occasionally where the hell am i i mean. That's i mean that's true. Only guy i can think of. That really is anything That isn't like super big and doesn't have to necessarily manage their person in the same way right. 'cause they're a rich or they're known like i think of Ores whitaker who is like a heavier set. Man i think you i. I'm i don't know people look anyth- i was. I think he's kind of a an attractive man. That doesn't mean anything. But like i enjoy seeing him on screen others i've seen him uses a prop is i'm going to say in some ways i feel But like he doesn't have to necessarily worry in the same way as someone starting out in in the industry f. Whatever industry media industry so the only person i can think of is kept on stage. Who also kind of is a little. I guess out of the realm of just the general person in media but like he's very very open about his leg i think he says he's badly made or something. Reportedly pick louis but not necessarily agree with. I know he's joking. But i'm just like But i think he says he's badly made his the only guy that i can really. I really know that doesn't just use it as a joke is also trying to be like. This is who i am. He also makes jokes about it but yet it's definitely a thing like heavier said black. Men do not get roles in if they do get roles. It's like a comedy right which is fine right again. But then sometimes it gets exotified versus just you being finey and being a person in the role Like your body has to also be part of that joke. We can't help it exotica and it's just it's it's a it's exhausting is what i'll say will leave on. I feel like we'll be returning to several other conversation because this is this has been great. I wanna give you an opportunity to shamelessly plugging anything. I'd like to do is plug away. Okay so go to while or gallery dot com. That's where you'll find all information about the gallery. You can also check us out on instagram at waller gallery and on facebook thing. Our newest show is contextual exposure. It is a great group show between Recommend moods you in pinxton and so. I want you to check out their work. They have a instagram's we should Those should be linked on her instagram on our website. And just check out the in really enjoy their where. I have finished up a lot of projects most of which i can't either talk about or like they're so far away that look. I don't wanna talk about them and their small projects that i'm i'm seeing active out here and you should also go check out the waters that word slash events. Because that's where i do you'll see work outside of waller gallery and doing events there so go check those out as well. Now you have it folks. Check it out follow instagram. All of that good stuff. So four joy davis. I'm really saying that there is art in and around baltimore going to look for it.

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Episode 62: The unsolved murder of Victor Duenas Jr.

Catch my Killer

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Episode 62: The unsolved murder of Victor Duenas Jr.

"So take me up until when you found out that he passed the last conversation with him in the final moments of his life. Can you tell me about that. It was december seven. Sixteen that afternoon. I had came home from work. And my son was here at the house. with me. at my home and We were waiting for his girlfriend to come to bring dinner. We had dinner. I went downstairs. And he said mom. I'll be back. Went to target with the girl with his girlfriend and his son. And i was downstairs. I i really don't remember how much time passed by the time. He came home but later that night about seven o'clock. I heard gunshots and the gunshots were very close and i ran up there and as i ran upstairs my son flew inside the living room and he said His last words to me was mom. He's helped me. I called nine one one and i I did my best to perform cpr. Done what unfortunately my spend passed in my arm talking with my son's girlfriend she had dropped him off and last chase scene was him walking inside the yard of the house as she thought he came. Inside by the time. I came upstairs. I don't recall hearing cars. I don't recall hearing anybody. I i don't know if they were on foot. I don't know if they were in a car. But i didn't see anything i I remember was trying to say my son's life but watching aena okay. Hello this is mark. I read weekly newspaper column about true crime unsolved homicides in the paranormal you can find links to my social media accounts and on my website titled when markov dot com. Look into the catch. Mike killer podcast. Thank you for listening this week. Story is about a twenty five year. Old man named victor dwayne usc junior who lives in los angeles. Victor had dreams of becoming an engineer however his plans changed after he became a father at an early age. Instead of attending college. Victor decided to focus on becoming a good father and great partner to his girlfriend. Everyone who knew victor loved him. He didn't have any issues with anyone and he wasn't involved with any criminal activity. All he did was work and take care of his son for this episode. I spoke to candy via who has victor's mother. They truly had a special bond. Kenny gave birth to victor when she was fifteen so they basically grew up together and would eventually become best friends on december. The seven two thousand sixteen. It was dark and just before eight pm. Bicker was at his mother's own. He was standing outside on the porch when someone approached him and fired shots at him. After hearing the sounds of gunfire candy ran to the front door to find. Victor mortally wounded. He had staggered into the house and then collapsed in his final moments. He asked his mom to help him. She began administering cpr. unfortunately she couldn't save in. He died in her arms. Victor was supposed to go on to great things in life. He wasn't supposed to outlive his mother. She had seen her precious son entered the world and she then saw him depart from it four years of passed since victor's death. The police have nothing. It's unsure if the killer walked up to victor or the killer drove by in a car there are no witnesses and if there are no one is talking. Victor's parents are on an endless search. For justice neither will give up on finding their son's killer. Now on with the story of victor dwayne us junior is told by his mother candy via. I got a chance to look at your son's facebook page. And i looked online and i. I really didn't see a whole lot of information but from what i saw. It looked like he was at home in. This was like in two thousand sixteen before christmas and somebody up to him and shot him. And you don't know why you're there's nothing today i've As of today we don't this did happen. December seven of twenty sixteen. My son was you was funny person. He had a he was sociable. Great personality he was twenty five years old at the time his his biggest interest was he loved to dance. I actually found out after his passing how much he loved to dan. He had really great staufer down saying he loves cars. He loved to rebuilt honda's and paint them and it was. His joy was biggest hobby. He's he was learning how to do mechanic work on his honda. And that's all he you know. He was learn to change the on his car or his friends cars. He loved to help out his friends anytime he can. Some of the things that i learned through his friends was anytime you ever called him for anything he was always there for you and in return. They were always there for him because they knew you know if they call them like. Hey i need help with my brakes. He was there he had a really great personality. I had a very amazing relationship with my son. I was very young when i had him for. A lot of people say we grew up together. I was fifteen years old and so we had a very good relationship. We we had a lot of things in common. He was my best friend. He had an amazing relationship with his father He had a brother and a sister and as well he was very. He was very protective. He was a very protective person. His family my son was a type of sun that as he was getting older and his teen years and i was dating or something. My son was kind of kid that he'd be like who you going out with. And i need to know who they are. And i need to know. They're licensed and telephone numbers and case. He was very protective of the women in his life and that was me his sister his aunt his grandparents so he was very protective person. My son had a son before he passed a little boy. His name is aiden had a beautiful girlfriend at the time who they had an amazing relationship and his nurturing as a father was something that was a beautiful condition to see another lesson to a teenager from you know the partying and going out to becoming the man that he needed to for his his child's getting a job and you know moving in with his girlfriend and doing everything that he felt that as a father he needed to do and that was the most beautiful girl that i have seen from my son because it was the day that he left me to take care of his family and so to know that he did that very instant the without any doubt or anything really spoke to me about his character as the man in his own life as a man that he was you know going to be and just seeing that milestone in him was an amazing transition for my son. He was very funny. He loves to crack jokes. he was just. You know the one in the crowd that you'd be somewhere having a barbecue and he would be the one cracking jokes. Then you're just laughing at him and had amazing smile. He was really kind hearted and his biggest dream as a child. And i'll never forget. Was that he really wanted to be an engineer. Unfortunately his career did not take them in that route but his desire to grow and excel never stopped as a young man. I mean we all experienced things in our lives. That kind of set us back. He had some setbacks but he never stopped that from him trying to pursue what it is that he wanted and at the end of his life his biggest goal was to be able to provide for his family. He was the provider he was. He was the man of the house. He was a protector of his family and he loved his family. He was very family oriented. Those are the best qualities about my son. Find is the one keyword that i will always take away is that he was fun. He was fun to be around. He wasn't amazing. Kid have to say you know. I see people go through things with their children and how they talk about their experiences and i can honestly say that i had an amazing twenty five years with my son. He was my best friend. That's really great. I always like to hear when people have positive relationships with their sons. It's always a good thing when they grow up strong than they can become good fathers and hopefully one day become good grandfather's lookout for their families definitely respectful men. Yeah very much. My son was very conservative in the sense that he knew how to behave around the women in his life. So that's the best way that i can describe to move very conservative. Despite his age and how young he was he was very very conservative. with the women in his life and very respectful. so what. What type of work did he do he was. He wasn't a student or anything right. I mean when he wasn't working on cars. What kind of work did he do at the time working at a warehouse. He had hit them struggling to get a job and at the time he was working at a warehouse for the ninety nine cent store and so i think he was doing inventory and stock room shipping and receiving. That's what he was doing at the time. His goal was to go back to school not necessarily for engineering but he was really great at computers and putting things together so there was those talks that we would have about graphic design and stuff like that. I think is biggest goal at that time. Was you know. His child came into his life and his biggest name was to financially provide so he was trying to settle in with the job and then figure out how school would fit into that role for that he was able to balance things out. He's a young kid at the time. He's twenty four years old. has a new baby. You know getting a job. He has his girlfriend at home with this child. They're both working. So he's trying to acclimate to this new role in this fatherhood working and then thinking about how school was going to him but he definitely had goes to return back to school. He was just trying to adapt to his environment and figure out how to best manage that. The it's definitely a challenge for young man to do that. When you have a girlfriend and you have a child to take care of. The reason why i was asking about his employment was do you think that while he was working that he possibly had in enemies made any enemies or anything like that while he was working to. Sometimes when i talk to people they tell me that they had issues with co workers that could possibly lead to what happened to him so now it was part of the investigation but there was none. As a matter of fact. I from his co workers and his A lot of praises about my son. He was a kid nobody into have any issue with him that rose or that caused us any suspicion to go and us into that route. And and as i said i know that the detectives did speak took a couple of his coworkers and nothing came of that there was no negative experience that occurred that would lead to any sufficient. As far as i'm concerned you've to this day. Nothing lead up to it being related to his where he was working at the time triggered. The police probably looked into it. Maybe something was going on. And he could've confided maybe wasn't related to work. But maybe he made some friends at work and he spoke to some of his co workers as sometimes we do we. Confide and co workers in our personal problems which. I'm sure maybe you've done. I've done because you figure you know they're friends you can trust them so none of them told. The police are told told anybody that he had any other things that were bothering him. Like he wasn't in fear of his life or anything like that then right nothing like that. No so take me up until when you found out that he passed the your last conversation with him in the final moments of his life. Can you tell me about that. It was december seven. Plenty sixteen that afternoon. I had came home from work. And my son was here at the house. With me at my home and We were waiting for his girlfriend to come to bring us dinner. We had dinner. I went downstairs. And he said mom. I'll be back. Went to target with the girl with his girlfriend and his son. And i was downstairs. I really don't remember how much time passed by the time. He came home but that night. About seven o'clock. I heard gunshots and the gunshots were very close and i ran up there and as i ran downstairs. My son flew inside the living room and he said His last words to me was mom. Helped me i called nine one one and i I did my best to perform cpr sun but unfortunately my son past my arm talking with my son's girlfriend she had dropped him off and the last she's seen him walking inside the yard of the house as she thought he came in sight. By the time. I came upstairs. I don't recall hearing cars. I don't recall hearing anybody. I don't know if they were on foot. I don't know if they were in a car. I i didn't see anything i I remember was trying to say my son's life but unfortunately yeah. I know you said it was about seven o'clock. Is that right yeah. It was about seven o'clock was daylight out. Your member was dark. It was dark. It was december dark at that time by seven o'clock dark over here. Did you see anybody else outside where there's any neighbors or was it just completely empty the streets. I don't remember looking out the door because my son had came inside the house and i was too busy performing. Cpr on doing chest compressions to keep him alive. That i didn't bother to look outside the door. i didn't. I was too focused on trying to save my son. I wasn't. I wasn't looking out the door i was in. I just wasn't my. My attention was because i was wondering if if there was a possibility that there were neighbors or somebody outside. That could have seen it happen. Yeah i know that the police did interview neighbors. And as far as i know and from what i've been told that was nothing that came of it. Nothing nobody if anybody did the nobody talked about it. Nothing has come of it. So there's been no witnesses come forward. I mean absolutely nothing. Nothing nothing absolutely nothing. Yeah that seems kind of hard to believe. I'm usually somebody dumping. It's just a matter of somebody had seen it and they're just not saying somebody was probably outside or driving down the street or you know just walk their animal or just being out on their outside usually go outside anytime the there's always usually somebody out there but there was nothing that the detective gave a and mind you me and my son's dad have been very proactive. Since then i literally visited the police department every month to speak to my detective in person. I emailed him every week. I met with to captain. I've made my presence known at the police department. And despite the crime rate here in los angeles the captain told me and my son's dad that in the years that he'd been working that we were the only parents who as proactive about our son's case and making sure that they don't forget about him. The we have tried to be proactive. We have we've made sure to involve ourselves as much as possible. We've made sure that they don't forget about him. We've we made sure to let them know like we're not giving up and we're not gonna let them just forget about him like all the other victims that they must have. I'm sure there's a lot tons of cases but we've been very proactive. Sometime in october of twenty seventeen. I finally was able to get one of the local news stations here to interview us and put our story on. Tv during the ten o'clock news and so there is the tv news. We worked with the police department to get a reward. Which at the time we were given a reward of fifty thousand dollars as a matter of fact that reward has expired. So i'm once again back in the police station asking into submit another proposal to the city council once again. So we are very proactive. In making sure that this doesn't go unnoticed. Despite how many conversations we've had an minimal information we've been given recently about a month ago. I received a call from the detective. Who was who has been with me for this time. Unfortunately has now retired but he did tell me that because there's been no activity on the case for a year that my son's cases now what they call it co- case file so there is no longer a quote unquote detective working co actively on it there is just a group of detectives that will look into the case if the lead or something should come up so there is nobody anymore being proactive on his case. Because there's just nothing out there it's like cricket it's like it happened and the world's shut down because there's nothing for us to go by. There's no possible leave. there's no possible scenario. there's no this is what we think. There's there's nothing nothing for us. We have no clue we have. We don't even have an ounce of it could be because of this. We won't know anything. Those are tough situations because they are like yeah. They can't do anything if nobody's gonna talk. I mean in a situation like this with being four. You almost four years going on for years definitely need to help with the public. So you're going to have to get it out there to the public. You know to your facebook page through podcasts. Through the media i mean have you contacted Because wanna talk to people. Because i've i've talked to people who have been on some of the shows. So i always recommend this the people to contact dr ause. Dr phil Nancy grace those kind of people now actually. I never thought about them. I think our efforts. We're focused on all the new station We are very proactive on a fate in our own individual facebook. We have a lot of. We have a large group of friends who are constantly sharing. What i did we do was. I went on food of justice with john. Walsh okay. They allowed me to post the story there. So i i sent them the news video from the ktla interview so they actually posted for us there and we actually had about two hundred shares there though. I me when i say like we. We've been as proactive. Sometimes it's just. I don't have the resources. There's somebody talent like we've been doing this all our own. There's there's nobody that really says. Hey have you thought of this. And it's interesting. Because i watch all these things but it never dawned on me to you know. Look at nancy grace. Because i do see all the you know. Her her interviews. I've never really thought about dr oz or dr phil. There has been as you can imagine sometimes a sense of defeat. Because you're trying so hard to do this and and you have limited resources and you continue moving on with your life as best as possible. We have a four year old grandson now and kids the only thing that we have left of my son and so it's good you telling me that because i never really thought about it. I just did the john walsh like. I said in pursuit of justice that they did post our story for us and the news article and everything and so we do do it on our page. And so we're constantly being proactive. As possible that way via social media as much as we can so what we are trying. We're not giving up. I mean. I think that's the key for me and my son's dad is we're not giving up. We just sometimes need a little bit of help. And i think you know after four years like it. It's hard to take a toll on you. Unfortunately i got diagnosed with. Ptsd having to go through that tragedy and and my son having to pass is something that i've had to also Had to cope with along with the davy nights that i have to continue living and working. And you know providing for our family. It's a lot sometime but it never stops those deters up. Some you know having to do what it is that we have to do for our son. I've talked to already forty or fifty different people about their cases and you're in the same situation so don't feel alone because other people have gone to the same thing i mean. I've talked to people that got cases that are lot older than yours. I mean they go back twenty thirty one of them. I think was fifty years ago and these people are still out there trying to find out answers. I mean we're talking about people who loved their parents. They loved their siblings. They loved their kids. And they're out there trying to find out who killed them and they'll go to their grave knowing or not knowing you know they just taft to find this out. They just won't let go. And i can understand that. Yeah you know you just wanna you wanna feel that you don't wanna feel like somebody took your son away or your family member way and then that person's just gonna go on and enjoy their life you don't want backley you want wanna know who this person was why this person committed this crime and that this person is sitting in a prison cell somewhere not enjoying his or her life anymore so i definitely understand which must be Trying to get done so let me ask you this. How many did he have a lot. He had a lot of friends right. Is that what you were saying. Earlier he had a lot of friends. I mean my my son. My son was very conservative so my son did not have a habit of bringing his friends to the house so to say that to say that i knew all of them. Personally i really did it. like i said my son. We just didn't create that kind of environment here where everybody just comes to the house and kicks back here. Wasn't that kind of party here. It was you know my son to respect the house. And you don't bring everybody over here. You know so i knew he had a group of friends and at the time i didn't know them but after his passing i got to know some of his closest friend and they've built in our in our lives they check in on us. They chicken on my grandson so he's had a. We've met a few of his fans who have stayed very loyal not just to the relationship with our son but also to us. Just you know how you doing. Popular their mom. Or you know. Just checking in on us and you know even. Sometimes they post on facebook how much they miss my son and so forth so and i know that his closest friends were also interviewed. So i'm aware of that. And i know that all of his friends cooperated and i don't think i'll ever know exactly who because detectives never said who exactly but of the friends that they wanted to interview that they knew of the relationship with my son and them. My understanding has been that every single one of his friends cooperated with the detectives during the investigation and went through the interview and nothing came about from that either will the reason why ask is because a lot of times frenzel no stuff now may may not tell they may not tell the police whether it be fear or whether they don't want to snitch or for whatever reason they feel but i think a lot of situations. I think there's always a friend or an acquaintance that knows something that they're not saying so i'm kind of wondering if one of us brands know that perhaps he had an enemy. I mean obviously he had something. I mean unless it was mistaken. Identity know somebody did this to him on mistaken identity. The somebody is obviously angry with him for something. I find it hard to believe that. There's somebody out there a friend or an acquaintance that doesn't know about this individual that you know that might have had some kind of ill will towards your son so i may on your own you or your son's dad could possibly have some conversations with some of these friends on your own. They may be. They made me more comfortable opening up to you than they would to the police. Yeah and and trust me. And and i don't want to sound like we were naive in the sense that everything detectives all those we believe. I don't feel if i was ever told everything. And as detective with tommy you know. Hey there's just things that were not we can't share with you but they would tell us about. You know that the friends that they knew of cooperated and i think for the most part we have this ritual here with the where on his birthday. We celebrate his birthday for christmas before christmas on the anniversary of his passing. We we always do something every year in memory of him and what i will tell you is that the friends that were here for his services have continued to be here. There hasn't been one where i can tell you like I wonder what happened to that friend. Do you know what i mean. You're on to give us or suspicion of thinking like huckabee disappeared out of a sudden. Or why doesn't he come around anymore. So there's been that consistency where there's been his friend. Who has been here. I mean they're not here every day. Of course on the days that are really remember our son. They are here for him. Sure and so. And i think that even when we try to talk about it it's just like nobody knows anything then i said to you. This is like cricket cricket's if like it's like the world went silent totally silent so there's somebody out there close and know something. There's not telling. I just find it hard to believe that. Nobody knows anything. I mean we we. We can find people. Everybody does that you can find in your friends. Your friends know what's going on with you. I mean when. I was in high school my closest friend. If anything would have ever happened to me he would know he would have known what would have happened. He would have known if i had any enemies because he just knew everything about me. Like i knew everything about him if he would have had any enemies or happened to him. I would have known about it. And i i would have known who would have done anything to him. I mean we were me and my high school best friend. We were just like that and a lot of young guys have friends that are like that. That know everything about him. I mean just because he didn't share with you you know doesn't mean he didn't share with his friends because a lot of guys just you know you. Don't tell your parents everything you don't want were your parents or you. Just don't wanna bother choir. You know you tell your friends though you know maybe somebody threaten your son or your son did something you know. Maybe your son owed money to somebody a friend going to know these things so i'm just wondering if it's possible that you know you get opportunities. Maybe you could put it on. Facebook at any of his friends possibly know anything and they're afraid to talk to the police. Perhaps they could just send you a message in talk to you about it. we have. Yeah you're gonna have to keep doing it. i think you just keep doing. Just don't give up. Yeah keep on with it. No we're not giving up giving up and Maybe one of these days one of them will have a change of heart or somebody. Somebody will have a change of heart and come forward. That's why we suggest. In like dr phil or because i interviewed a gentleman who was on dr phil and he told me that after he here on dr phil guy. He got hundreds of tips. I mean he had tips. People contact him directly and give him tips really. His issue was different because he has a very bad relationship with the police. He doesn't he. Doesn't this gel mom talking to get along with the police say well. He doesn't feel like they're handling his case very well. But the bottom line is it. Got some tips in you. Know the dr phil. Everybody watches doctor. Phil so i mean it's just just things that you can look at it and against national television programs. We'll definitely now that you've mentioned it. I'll definitely reach out and see how i can reach out to someone there then even to dr all. They're now going to be more proactive about that. Because i really didn't think about those talk shows at all but now that you put it in my mind. It's something that i'm really gonna get you to see you know if anything i mean. We're willing to try everything they're where we want. It doesn't hurt Waiting for the city council to see if they approve the reward again so that we can create flyers again. So we're waiting for that so before we create the flyers to know if they're gonna approve it and for how much so we are going to create more flyers after that and and see what they what they give us to for this reward. And as i said i mean i i reached out to john washes show and they did air the story on their facebook page. And you know you giving me another forum and just giving me some resources really is gonna put me In tune now to think about those shows of which like. I said. I really hadn't thought about i was thinking more. The news media but news media has not been as favorable to us because for them. It's not a big enough story. So right it was good they. We're fortunate enough to get. Yeah four years ago so we're fortunate enough to get through to one station. Which was you know at least glimmer of hope for us that somebody will listen and watch it And even after that nothing really came from that no tip no nothing At all and so it's been a really big struggle for our family trying to manage the situation and understand how to use be sources. Now that our son's case you know became a cold case file. We're more determined to find ways to ourselves you know. I don't know if hiring a private investigator would be much. I think at this time right on the situation that we're in with other restrictions and having to stay at home for puts a big barrier for us yes That that's not a possibility at this time for us. But definitely i am going to take your advice about tuning into dr phil and those shows and reaching out to them that that's going to be definitely my next step. Sure i mean like. I said you know it doesn't hurt to ask. You can ask and periodically cinema request. I mean you just never know. I've talked to people that. Have been on dr phil dr oz. Different programs in. They do get tips now. Are you familiar with the freedom of information act. If you're not familiar with it would it is is. It's illegal documentation that you can request and submit to the police requesting information about your son's case file now. I don't know all the specifics whether they'll give it to you or not. But i know that in some cases i think if the case is closed you can get the information sent to you and then you can review the file yourself. But i'm not sure what your son status is. I mean if it's active. I don't know if they have to give it. I don't think they'll give it to you if it's active. But i mean i've heard about people who've tried to get who've requested to get their case closed so that they can get the file because once it's closed i mean it can be reopened in any time but it would be something that you know you could look into you. Contact the police and maybe try. It's but it's called freedom of information act. It's a document san requesting your son's case. While but like i said i don't know if you can actually get it or not but you know you could look into it. It's worth a try even if they don't give it to you. It's just another option for you to look into. Maybe it's something you can do in the future. But like i said you know you can take a look into it. Now see what they'll give you. I mean who knows. Maybe you can get it. I mean i don't know i do. I do that not sure how to go about it. I'm not sure how it's it's it's probably different. I'm not sure it's different in every state but if you contact the police or if you just do a request just do a google search for requests for information act. It should tell you how to do it now. I will tell you though that. I have spoken to several different people who have made the request us the freedom of information act request to get information on the case file and it seems like the results are mixed. Some people have gotten the file and they told me that is just a page or two said. There's not really anything and then there's people who've told me that they've gotten a lot of the information but unfortunately it's all redacted so they've marked out a lot of it looks like they've taken a sharpie and marked all the names and just various information out and then of course there's cases where they don't even get the information where it seems like the police department. Just ignore the request. So like i said it's just kinda mixed. I don't really know all the particulars about the freedom of information act but i know reporters use it. Often in other podcasts hosts. Use it to get information about cases. Also but like i said you know it's i think it's worth it for you to give it a try and see if you can get it but then unless the case is closed then i don't know if they have i don't think they'll give it to. The cases still considered active. But like i said you know. I i just don't know all of these. Police departments seemed to be different. It doesn't seem to be there was like a standard among all of them. So who knows. Maybe it's a possibility that you can get the file i mean. I think it would be great if you could get it. Then you could know what's been said who was interviewed in what's been said like i said it's it's worth a try. That's good know. Yeah i will reach out to the captain see. I know that. I want to make sure and see what they say. That's really good to know. Because like i said we've been given minimal ration- from the police department and so maybe us if we're able to get this. Maybe we'll see something that they didn't see or you'll know you'll know what they now like. You said they've been people but we don't get that information. Maybe once we know who they are what that maybe something trigger us to be like. Wait a minute. You know something we hadn't thought about because we're we're so overwhelmed with everything miss. Yeah definitely so. Let me ask you this last question. If anybody out there knows anything about your son's case what would you say that person because there will be people listening to this so if anybody knows anything what would you say to them. I would say to them that if if they know anything about my son's case and i'm sure they have brothers sisters children maybe even grandchildren cousins family member that if this happened to them to ask themselves look kinda closure they would want would they need to be able to tell themselves in go to their graves knowing that they did everything for their son to ensure the safety of others to give them some peace of mind of what they did to know that. There's a family out there who has no answers that there's a four year old child that never get to know his debt and to find it in their hearts being closer to us that we have. The family can rest know that they've taken somebody off the streets. That's no disregard for someone else's life to have you on stolen from you never know anything. That's something that i'm sure. They would not want to live with and they would want closer themselves so they know anything. Just ask yourself. How would you want this to end for you to help a family who just wants to be able to give closer. 'cause that's all i want to get closer to my family and to give closure to my grandson. He's the one most important thing in life that we have less. And i don't want my grandson going up wondering why i don't want him to ask me grandma why what happened grandma. Why is my dad's here. Find it in your heart shipping this person to justice. Take them off the street to prevent him and taking your family. That's what i wanted to know. I don't want to go to my grave. Not knowing doesn't going to help boost since get a closure so that we can go on with life and we can take this person off the street. And that concludes story of victor. Join us junior. Do you know what happened to victor. His family need your help. Not only has. The family lost a son. But victor son will never grow up to know his own father. Victor family loved him. His parents are heartbroken over the loss of their son. They are pleading for your help. Someone out there knows who killed victor. And why was it. A case of mistaken identity. Was it a gang initiation or did someone unknown to the family. Have a reason to want to kill victor. If you know anything about his death please call detective jerrell gibson at three two three three four two eight nine six four. He's what the lapd or you can just call lapd at three two three three four two eight nine six zero or contact crime stoppers at eight hundred two two two eight four seven seven and if you would like more information about this case please visit the justice for victor dwayne his junior facebook page. I will be sure to include this information on my podcast notes. And if you're a parent law enforcement official friend or relative seeking foreign unsolved homicide case. Please visit my website and complete the contact form or contact me through facebook. Thank you for listening.

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Soundbite: Trends to look out for post-Coronavirus

The Property Voice

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Soundbite: Trends to look out for post-Coronavirus

"Welcome to the property voice. Podcast helping to navigate safely through the walls property and get the low down and updates insights and outcomes on all matters property with property voice a voice to trust among the crowd. Now let's get started with your house. Richard Brown hello and welcome to another episode of the prophecy voice. Podcast my name is Richard Brown and as always it's a pleasure to have join me again on the show today. Well got something of a smorgasbord of an episode for you today. I guess we're GONNA be talking about extroverts. Isolation probably just starting to think about some trends that might be emerging as a result all the corona virus experience and some things that might stick. I thought really rather than absolutes in that respect and we just share update from the latest apprentices. So in their words you're gonNA give you a bit of an update also share Some virtual events and I'm programs if every I'm involved in that you can get involved in as well so I guess yeah not getting along with stretching and hopefully. There's something in here for years. Got Free there so let's get right into it. The the the first thing I wanted to talk about as the whole lockdown experienced. I think Hopefully everybody's going through right now the The situation courses that were were in lockdown. We're locked up with whoever were locked up with and sometimes that can be on our own. Of course Oh. And this was brought to the fore really by A friend of mine and up his name's rich and his Canadian. So that's it up. Don't WanNa tell too much more personal information but shoutout to him and reaches an extrovert. He he likes the company people. He gets energy. That's what extroversion means. He gets his energy from outside sources from connections with people and he lives alone. So normally he'd be out socializing in a community type of environment and so of course for several weeks now three weeks or something. He's being locked up in an apartment. He has a dog So hopefully the dog is Is Helping to keep him. Company that Yeah it's it's CICADA difficult. So we talked to solve some notes and I think the whole zoom coalface on coal you know. House Policy Connie gathering it's CETERA. Probably anonymous getting involved in at the moment Bit of a shoutout to people like zoom in the issue is by the way anyway. It's an aside. It's not always. It is always create the healthiest habits. Either I mean I think saw an article about you know invasion into interpersonal space whereas the borderline between home and work. And what is the difference in introverts and extroverts in terms of this sort of contact? What are the rules? The aren't necessarily any so. I think that's one aspect that you know you can connect socially of pseudo social networks but we never social networks. At the moment one they can just showcase the the the if you like the Photoshop version of our lives and then too they can be full of you know negativity enthralling and and pessimism generally so I'm not sure that social media Not sure the the facetime cores and the Zoom. 'cause all the onset for someone who's an extrovert who perhaps he's struggling with this. And I I think you know I'm not talking about anyone particular but obviously this can lead on to feelings of isolation and even other types of concerns that we might have to do with. Let's say a mental health issues for example and other things so rich was asking me. He said you're going to take things that are can do to occupy my mind and and that sort of thing so myself and a few of my mastermind buddies put our heads together. We've kind of come up with a list of things. He's specifically also about podcasts. Actually so we started we podcast. And we started to broaden that out into other areas but I guess I'm kind of you know developing a short-list if you like of What people could maybe get involved with a talked about using this time wisely a couple of episodes ago? And so how can people use this time wisely? How could they occupy their minds? You know to let this sort of this sort of extrovert gremlins. Keep Them Bay. So I'm compiling a list If you'd like that lace just reach podcast. That prophecy voice sought net. I'll happy to share it with you. So let's see if you're on the people side and you like that you know contact and you get your energy from other people. Of course the into might be sort of loving this experience particularly if they live on their own of course because obviously an introvert will get their energy from within any facts actually. They drained the energy during contacts in network with other people. So but I guess that's not always cracked up to be props be locked up. You know twenty four hours a day Particularly if you're on your own so as I'm not an introvert I feel. I can speak expert on this On this topic. I think it's I'm a I'm a borderline extrovert so I have elements of introversion my personality. But I'm probably leaning towards extroversion if you knew me when I was eight. Say you'd say absolutely extra but you know things have changed crutch grudge over the years so but the the interest also in isolation pumps having other problems issues and challenges. It's like maybe the extroverts piling in and trying to contact them you know. Do you know video calls. And things like that when they don't really wants it says almost opposite type of problem so Yeah just a shoutout in that respect so just think of. I guess my point is just let's think about the personality types of people around us and there's people who are enjoying a bit of isolation and Erin Company for wall for this probably quite a few who aunts and of course the other thing is there will be people who up you know literally locked up with with others in things can get a little bit much. Don't they just stick with me? They don't want to talk about some Virgil events. That maybe you can join him with Zeke. Perhaps get a bit of an old Tennessee. Perspective perhaps That's different from the people you're hanging out with another. It's a bit different but I thought stopped without and rich hope. You're enjoying the list of things that being some of my buddies are put together for you if you happen to be listening because I did actually mention the podcast of course. So that's not the The next thing I wanted to talk about really wisdom. It's it's a work in progress In Progress I guess we should obey started to think about some Some trains that might come out of this experience that we're all going through right now. The new normal. And I'm going to be thinking about this call off because I do. Do you think about this topic this sort of thing quite a lot. I've been thinking about trains actually for a number of years hence why I wrote a book on prompting for example so yeah shout out to the book but you know what we've seen. Recently we've seen a reduction for example in in movement literally all types of movement You know but must transportation global travel in particular as fallen off a cliff and so I guess the Tube in London were still quite busy so I understand but but generally speaking people are looking at the lockdown and nobody that they're trying to keep everyone safe flatness in this curve so to speak but I was wondering you know what could be the long term ramifications of this and some of the things I I guess are on my mind things like virtual or remote working I see that pops continuing and certainly for a period of time. So if you think about tha even if we get out. This lockdown periods anytime soon which at the time of recording. I think we've got a few weeks to go. The less I went out by the summer in a worse case late spring early summer. Worst case scenario a hoax. Anyway we'RE GONNA pilot planes in untravelled too far of places. I think we all really with us for business purposes or leisure purposes. I see a bit of a trend change of that and so things like in a virtual meetings for example I see an ongoing trend emergent after that and might be easy to forecast. That things like Remo remote rimmer working co working. That's what it was going to go. It might suggest that things like co working and even co living might not takeoff unless you wondering whether bill visit though in Oklahoma state. So let's just think about co working for a moment. So all of the businesses if you like culprits will probably be reevaluating. Their real estate needs property needs Coming forward that will be More remote working while working from home but I think also Remote working the need for physical offices is going to reduce and I actually think that might mean Also a reduction in physical offices of Ceylon culprits midsize corporate's even that they may even look towards co working space to plug the gaps. So I think maybe some consolidation amongst the workspaces for large large medium size corporations and I think that she could be you know an increase in activity for the co working spaces and I was looking recently. It was an article on similar routes focused on wgn which used to be Regis Of course we work as well but the the if I can trust the I. G model to the we were model ought to be. G has got lots of cash The bean fruit quite a few downs actually survived to tell the title and crucially at this once. They own some of the Ryan Assets they also rent some of their assets or Lisa Lomas on a flexible basis so they cut their their own landlords into the deal. Which means that in times of buoyancy in both parties win leniency. Or whatever the word is buoyancy. Hard Times They actually the partnership with the landlords and both parties. Take a bit of a headache so to speak so I thought it was a really interesting model looking forward. They're looking to franchise so actually from an ideology points of view. They're looking to actually outsource some capital risk to franchise partners so that was quite a good model and yet look into that business as a as an interesting model going forward we should. If you contrast to say we work. is huge leap capital intensive. I think they lose more than revenues. I should say that right. They lose more than their revenues or close to us at least each and every single year. They seem to be locked into long-term lease arrangements but actually are offering shorts have lease arrangements or they've got more shorts have lease arrangement. Certainly than I'm Jay. So everyone so on drifting into that business model less than the point my point really is what sort of trend might emerge so. I think definitely going to be sort of remote working What does that mean to us as property investors? Well let's start thinking about that so it could mean that the spaces that we have available need to have things like high-speed bad things and maybe you know desks bases in thoughts about in in terms of the properties that we have to offer. So let's just little spin off and that's what I'm doing him just thinking about what the train might be. And what sort of response it might evoke from us. Costa might be the co working things. One Engine Co. working when probably I'm talking to mostly residential property investors here because I she see that the co working slash code living model could also increase co working is going to increase. I also think co living cat now. This is a double edged sword because clearly when viruses going around which can spread very easily within with people in proce US or close proximity does not destroy the code. Living will shed house type of model well I'm not sure it's the onset but I do think that if that Kawamoto is going to exist. Carry-ons weeks as particularly enlarge types of cities. I think you know the code. Living with Working Space Inc could actually a bit of a growth sector and it might be niche. I think it'd be a gross sector. So that's why I thought he talked about the points of this. Of course he's a stimulate thinking. I have got a full conclusion yet in my own thoughts but I thought it put it out. I think another train. That's worth keeping an eye on is so close with with reduced travel that we're seeing at the moment we're seeing less pollution and was seeing. You were seeing losses sunny days We're seeing clear skies. You know clean. Clean was less traffic on the roads and less pollution being pumped into the atmosphere so the whole Sustainability Agenda. The Environmental Agenda Green Agenda. He's probably going to continue. And and that's good. So what can we do about that? When we can incorporate sustainability into our properties of course might be a not an easy thing to do immediately. But it's something to consider especially when looking at refurbishment for example on you build You know so but in the short term. Maybe there's different things we can do. I saw some pasta and image on instagram. David I ever of a Green Wall. Don't offer is a living wall agree wall and it certainly looks like it looks. Three dimensional was plants on it. So that was that was really interesting. That was an internal space. Of course you external space as well so just thinking these things for as you can see stimulating thought Hopefully stimulating thoughts on your side. Another trained clearly has to be health. Wellbeing everybody's you know if you look at some of the search terms you know how to boost your immune system how to eat well. How exercise at home? All of these things are going doing the rounds of the moment and I think actually that may be some longevity in this and so we not want want to think about these things what that means to us Not only from a postal points of view but also from tenants or guests like say who is staying properties. So does every probably have to have a gym? I don't know but You know does it have to have like a whole foods store the bottom but you know. I think I'm starting to think about these things just wondering really where my takers props drifting off the sort of die wrecked property themes trains. I've kind of just observing in signposting you to Those economic train does well has already begun may actually be buried become before the latest corona virus a crisis so to speak. And that's the this. Low Interest Rates Environment In high quantities ing high government debt type of environment that we be nationally pretty much since the global financial crisis and very much. So now as the government's not just in UK but you know particularly well everywhere. I think pretty much a pumping money into the economy is to prop them up. What does that mean? Well it means that Is Going to. I think it will support asset prices. That's one thing Usually when there's a lot of money sloshing around I suppose asset prices so I think the probably will be a recession. This definitely massive dropping croaky short-term as a result of this Kuroda virus experience. I think actually it. It might bounce back. Relatively quick is particularly compared to some of the doors. Jim Recessions of. Let's say the nineties and the eighties and the seventies for example which may have taken a long time to come out here. We'VE GOT LOW INTEREST RATES. Go a high amount of money capital being pumped into the economy. Yes that will be will be some winners and losers. There's no doubt about that. Authority is actually But I think actually long-term this for long-term mediums We might bounce a bit quicker than we might expect so the global financial crises took what four minimum for years to come out of the of the low from two thousand eight What we might see here when I look back at say the Spanish flu pandemic which was one hundred years ago. He took a couple of years for Konami generally speaking to recover the lost. Gdp the foul of the The results in the resulting GDP drop it fell out of the pandemic Spanish flu pandemic so we could be looking at. Maybe something similar if I actually. I think in this particular case we might be looking at even even quick bounce back and the reason I say that with the Spanish flu he predominantly targeted people of working age. Actually as so Assad is it was it was people who lost their lives back one hundred years ago a lot of working as they were productive in the labor market and so there was a reduced labor supply quite literally as as a result of that. Obviously and I'm not trying to be insensitive here. Are you know you've probably picked up from few weeks? I'm sincere about people suffering through this Corona virus pandemic so. I'm not trying to minimize anybody's pain or suffering. But I'm just talking about the economic impact here but the the reality of Corona virus it. Unfortunately it's it's the elderly much more seriously than targets other age groups now affects all age groups. I'm not saying anything controversial here. Hopefully but statistically it can silently have a greater effect on on the L. Delay and certain death toll. So what does that mean for us? He will it could mean You know redistribution of assets down generation a source. Be Cold about it. But it's just a different time of economic response Could fall out of this now. Maybe if it's hopefully. The percentages of people ultimately a percent of the population to lose their life. Harm really hopeful. Won't be so significant and everything we're doing to stay safe minimize that but so maybe it won't precision. Big Impact is speculating. But I'm just saying that. The Spanish flu affected people of working age whereas this seems to be affecting people of retirement age. If I can say back so I don't know where that's GONNA lead to but I think I think the long term which the conclusion from my perspective is i. Think the recovery from this Corona virus economic short short sharp shock remind balanced relatively quickly relative decrease in a couple of years. So that's my thinking and then you know the the the other. The other point is that The could be some sort of a response from governments because of all the debt taking on and so Probably maybe not immediately. I am probably expecting some former stealth taxation that might come in In the next couple of years maybe not immediately because we can't afford that who knows but stuff taxation perhaps in the former windfall taxes on corporations. Because there's GONNA be some corporations. Actually well answer this donate to a rookie. Scientists to workout. Who might do okay out of this props old line businesses POPs pharmaceutical props even the banking sector. Might do this. I maybe there's some stole windfall tax Come out of their profits. If that's the way it goes for their revenues actually in some cases and I think also wealth tax on on the individual side might come in as well I mean. That's that's often. Wealth Tax often follows Khanna deep recession and And busts anyway so we've had to a couple of decade. So maybe there'd be something that comes out of that tape. They've got some hesitation to read my writing my notes But Yeah So just unfolds really signposting some trends some of which may stick some of my initial thoughts have really think about it a bit more of the next coming weeks out probably propensity. Piper in some way as a as think about that perhaps now is a good time just to have a break from my voice and what I wanted to do is just queue up to just share with I'd I'd like to fly on the wall. Exp- Expose Dante off the delays his. Tv apprentices. Will we had a second group? Coal thirty five days in Just last week. And the apprentices gave a quick update for all of us listen. I'm just going to have a quick clip. Let's listen to what the apprentices had to say. I'll be right back. We've just completed the second call in the latest the property voice apprenticeship program. I think it was thirty six days in so we're still fairly. You know you into the program. Once on's Rudy had one of these group. Kohl's this is the second index kept people just to share with you a little bit about whether I'm just going to hand you start with five. We've done you'll so Daniela husband self up to fall. Yeah Hammer I'm Daniel from From Bolton so So far the worked hour someday. Gold Mine is is to have talked to the grind. Kids go to private school. Possibly the kids and also a bit of another property abroad under stability in general blick general generally comfortably You know wanting to go away condo to worry about it. So the goals of to do that is through three to four projects conversions Pf plus get involved with JV partner. So in the next twelve months fall to five conversions and break. I was been publicly. Aplomb moving forward on that so to to get the finance. Also Javale partners Something new that we've blown does some personality tests on these than they have been great to understand a bit more about ourselves and our we offer and also working with the few chips or a Testing should thanks and sandwiches. Monson up next. Martin live in London and my goal on the program is to replace my consulting income and at the moment engaging Richard to help me with strategy to get me there. The strategy at the moment will be looking at. Hmo's outside of London and something that I realized forbid of a breakthrough moment was realizing how many resources I have ready to get me to. So it's just a question of time. Everything's possible so you have a thing of Look quite different when I leave my contracting consulting world forward into appropriate road everything also and really bright indeed. You can thanks. Martin appreciate not and up next. We have Monica. Everyone name's Monica Until my outgoing Line goal just remind the result wanted to have a kind of a couple of bottom solid plan to shift my existing Hey Tim O. Kind of invests focused to more passive structure. We're I'm less involved much less hands on and to do at least by the end of the program to have wanted to kind of Options really lined or at least a clear pathway forward and turned my long term goal really is to make sure that In the next year possibly too. This is my kind of mainstreaming activity that I'm involved in. And I'm able to generate returns of hundreds of years and of course for my a passive Investments in my armament is a couple of really no matter what happens out this things and never as bad as they seem once you live you will recover good network of people around you. They'll be able to speak Some addictive ity. Into your circumstances. In calm things down though is good to have a A good mentor and good colleagues. Another apprentice around to speak into one sixty network is really powerful And next a HA moment was. It's still possible even in times like this. So That's been amazing reassuring me. Thank you appreciates it. And of course now Silvana Savannah Eilly. Reading League on is to become financially fate now tends to reach a more clear idea about to achieve that basically concentrated to gain more capital chops because I resigned from my apiece job Undoing them these as swift this investment Muslim decides it and like flips and wanted to learn about a project managing Andy. Sourcing and exam does discovered that due to the situation would be day called. Lead banks are just lending of the capital so that it will be out there. It will be a challenge to to to overcome. Thank you thanks everybody. Actually I really appreciated by shares. You can see that this things you common off see some things which are different apps in some of the strategic direction. Living working with each one of you we've had a couple once ones now are getting to know each other. We had a couple of group calls as well so I just WanNa say thanks from from my side. I was love this process. It just a couple of view for you actually obviously get to know your Baxter. I'm just trying to be by a small path in helping to achieve some of the goals. You set for yourself represion. Well isn't it great? We heard from Daniel Martin. Monica and Silvana thirty five days into their journey of the apprentice program which is a one hundred day program and Joined that program we we got lots of wonder one time we got we got group. Kohl's we've got we get sharing in there in a community if you like this knowledge base and everyone can network we one another so We were going slowly. Keep saying trust the process. The People Guy Fruit because it's a one hundred day program for reason but equally. I just thought it was opportunities. You mentioned some of the other events in programs of got going on at the moment so first of all. I've got to a thirty day. Jumpstart Start Program Prophecy Jumpstart Program. So obviously we're going to one hundred day apprentice program to of already got a few people looking at the next program. But I thought to do. Just look at making use of our time and Thirty Day jumpstart program so I've got an alternative to the apprentice program. Which is quicker intervention is still going to be you know. Small number of people four to six people look into stop at the end of this month. Close the doors on it fatty On offering out of fifteen hundred pounds ticket price so that SAM is. It's the process up. He's what I'm saying the first program so if that said interest to you the big takeaways from that wall will be. You'll get a business plan. You understand your personal profile and how you can engage with others and you'll have a personal development and Business Development Action Plan there the three takeaways from that particular program. It's going to be much more group setting We've we've me and also with the other people in the program Less once one time but there will be someone one time. So that's of interest. Reach out to me. We can have a compensation Limited number 'cause I like to work with people I can get to know and care about frankly. So that's that's the property jump star but a couple of other events just for you and apps cool back to what I said at the beginning of the Podcast today interested extroverts. And that sort of thing a couple a live events is the TV life lunchtime wins. Wednesday's so that's One o'clock on Wednesdays anyone who's listening to this one in my community say there's no charge zoom coal There's no agenda you do you drive the gender If you just want to sit there and just talking listening you don't have to. You know you can do that too. There's there's no pressure to do anything. Say ANYTHING THERE'S NO UPSELL. There's nothing like that is just an offer from me to the community at this point in time You know if you want to know about how to get involved in that you can just semi mild podcast. Prophecy voice dot net. I'll tell you about how to log on equally if you look at the TV. Meet up group if you look at meet up the the the APP in the platform. Obviously pretty much everything on these days. Virtual as indeed is deeply be live lunch on Wednesdays. You joined the meet up group name when she. Rsp Pete to this meet up you can add. You can get the zoom lick details and join us that way. So no pressure on anyone whatsoever. But very good if you want to do that. Equally I'M UPPING ON. I was wondering what kind do at this point in time. One of things I can do points in time east to give back into my own community inside the the live cool. She's spoken about is an example of my mastermind group temple. I'm doing coffee talent. Kohl's townhall Kohl's every single working day I put a pause on some of the collection for the mastermind programs which is trying to give back against. And thinking how we're GONNA DO GONNA do more and then I was contacted by the organizers of an event it's called a new stone of event is virtual property networking event and it's going to be as an online platform obviously virtual range of speakers and it runs from Friday the seventeenth until Sunday the nineteenth of April as three half day sessions I'm speaking on Day One. I'm very happy to be. And there's a bunch of other speakers as well. I'll I'll put some links. Shadows and details heightened get. Tickets is completely free as well So it's free to get a ticket would say though is we're trying to support NHS charities so there's an option to donate to. I may just charities as well so obviously encouraged to do that. But if your financial situation doesn't allow is no pressure you can just come on attend. The event was going to be speakers is gonNA be networking opportunities. And of course if you wish you can support and I just charity so it just trying to raise money for a good cause Nana speakers getting paid the excuse me. He's just an opportunity to learn to share This is an independent type of Networking groups Twenty Large Organization Of course there's a sponsored thing night rancor are going to sponsor the event anyway just on post you back I'm talking about bullet. Proofing your property portfolio which I think is relevant On Day one so if nothing else have listened to my slow sign up novelist into my slop. I'll I'll show you get tickets on the website so we'll just reach out to me. I'll tell you where to get the tickets instead. So there we go on. I think the main things are wanting to come off today. So Yep. Mention of a SMORGASBORD We talked about introversion extroversion side. You know when reaching out to friends perhaps consider what kind of energy they prefer and some people might need more contacts on people in the US contact. If you want the resources mentioned for the extroverts just writing to share what we've hopefully something in there that will help you talking about the trains of returns that top because the latest stage. But maybe you've got some ideas on that. So why don't you message me and let me know your thoughts so getting contact with social media love to hear from you? We have the apprentice. Update of course have talked about the jump. Start PROGRAM ABS. You're interested in not just reach out to me. I'll close the doors once the right number thirty day property jumpstart program and got the live events. Tv Live launched on Wednesdays and the virtual property networking events. Which will be this weekend. So hopefully listened to the podcast close to the release talk indict and I know about sorry if not been the might be another moving later on. I'm sure in these times Line I e the show notes the guy to be over the website. The prophecy voice dot net. Of course you talk to me about anything from today's show. Anything to do with prophecy. Generous speaking you. You can reach me. Podcasts prophecy forestall as well and I guess all that remains right now. Thank you very much for listening once again this week and until next time on the voice podcast. Thank you for listening today. Now to the property voiced nats more inspirational contents and gets eight through our mailing list. 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06: From Zero to Selfie

The Secret History of the Future

39:35 min | 2 years ago

06: From Zero to Selfie

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This episode of the secret history of the future was made possible by Comcast business. Every industry has new expectations. That's why Comcast business is moving beyond beyond connecting to helping you create experiences beyond network complexity, two zero touch one box world beyond the best for your money to the best for your business at even greater value. The company that built the nation's largest gig speed network is now the company making digital transformation possible Comcast, business beyond fast actual speeds vary in are not guaranteed. Tom, you just got back from vacation. I noticed her Instagram feed is just bursting -cation shots. Why? Why are you putting your family's vacation on the internet for everyone to see what I like about it is that I can go back in the future and look, it's a sort of edited version of of pitches that I can look at. So the fact that the public is is sort of incidental to it. It's really, these are the pictures that that represent that holiday for me. Sure. But does the fact that they're going to be on the internet for public consumption? Does that shape the kinds of pictures you take or how you pose the pictures or how you edit the pictures? I probably does. I didn't. I mean, I posted this picture of spices at a market in Sicily, and the caption is Instagram cliche because it's just like complete. And then another patriot was knew what was expected of you kind of picture? Well, we would like probably the silliest is this picture of my wife sitting next to a big pool doing this kind of ATS mode. Posed like the saxophone solos about to come in and this is in fact the house we were staying in the web page that you know the travel company where we saw it has this woman sitting in front of the, they've got Bortles again and sit there. And so we thought we would recreate this because obviously we're living the dream that they've sold us in the so we did this and then the travel companies like Ted had, it's just being silly, but so the the sort of like false dream vacation shot. You then recreated this this, this false thing. But it was sort of real, but it was sort of faked, but then you put it on Instagram for people to see in order to give them some kind of image of the kind of occasion you take in, which was actually like a copy of a copy that never existed. Exactly. We're going down rabbit hole the somebody games. I gave guy on here, but this is it's, it's it silly. It's this. This is what social media has done to us. It's created these incentives, these expectations about reality and false reality and constructed reality. That's what we bathe in these days. The truth is though. The camera is a liar, and it has always been a liar. So this is where the story Edmund carpenter comes in. He's after Paula, just his friends called Ted. It's nineteen sixty nine and Ted carpenter has taken a professorship at the university in Port Moresby, which is the capital of Papua New Guinea. And Ted has a special assignment there at that time. Huge parts of Papua New Guinea were almost entirely undeveloped, and the plan was for him to track deep into the interior and to have interactions with these Papuan tribes there that have basically never encountered the modern world. Givi- and about a year there. This is Ted carpenter speaking in a two thousand three documentary about his work native group for. Extremely. Landscape was just. Amazing and isn't properly Guinea also famous for having like hundreds of languages like every every valley and every bay has a different tribe with the different language. They come under stand the people around the golden. Yes, very distinct. There's no monoculture eight hundred mutually unintelligible. In different physical cultures. Nolan was borrowing anyone else's culture or costumes. The way you put it was he could step in and out of ten thousand years of history, observing and probing and testing. It was Percival with the greatest of ease, just outboard motor in dugout to go right up into free in St.. Whereas actually saw stone axes views and not by choice. And what Ted carpenter decided as he began to visit these tribal villages was he wasn't going to do what the university wanted him to do, and he wasn't going to do what a traditional anthropologist with, which is write a monograph that might only be of interest to other therapists. Instead, he's an opportunity to conduct a completely insane experiment. We step in and out of different media world different periods of terrain. The experiment that he's excited about is he wants to find out what happens when an adult who's been living in a primitive world, suddenly sees himself in a photograph on film for the very first time. From slate. I'm Seth Stevenson from the economist. I'm Tom standing, welcome to the secret history of the future. So Ted carpenter goes deep into Papua New Guinea and what he does there is he shows Polaroid's two tribes people who have never seen a photograph before. Certainly never seen a photograph of themselves before in many cases have never even looked into a mirror before. So these people went from zero to selfie in just a few seconds and it kind of blew their minds and almost immediately. They started helping the camera to tell lies today, we'll happen. How did the parents react so it? I can't really interpret the photograph that they're looking at deter for them to know what is this thing. So he points at the nose and the photo points at the nose on the village where he points at the hair in the photo he points with the hair and the villager. And when the penny drops is like a slap to the face, like there's a sudden shock of recognition, whoa, impact revision so startling to once they understood that they could see their soul, their image, their addenda day outside of themselves. There starting and invariably the couple their moms and then turn away. And. Then take the image and look at it again, hide and so forth. And what type carpenter begins to realize that these photos are completely rearranging their self conception, right? So they thought of themselves as part of a try that their identities were all wrapped up in the group, but the effect of seeing themselves in a photo for the first time, the just them he called it instant alienating like the photo made the self more real, the self more dramatic. But all of that Pash within weeks, people were walking around with the images of themselves on their forehead. And I don't think there's any return to the initial innocence. So this doesn't sound like the soda entrepot logistics supposed to be doing well as you might guess anthropologists were pretty horrified. But Ted carpenter was sort of a hipster anthropology professor and he was best buds in the nineteen fifties and sixties with Marshall mcluhan the media theorist, Tom, are you familiar with Marshall mcluhan? Yes. Although I think I'm probably familiar with the slogans of the catchphrases. He came out. Then I, I could tell he was great sort of coining these memes. So the medium is the message is the one that people are most familiar with that aphorism ano- say the idea of the global village. I'm not quite sure what they mean, and I'm not quite sure what his point was. I think the value he gave was he asked a lot of very provocative question and he forced people to think about the world. They were living in things that were just sort of the wallpaper of their lives. He asked them to examine them and say, wait a second, your living in a world where the radio is all around you, television is all around you. What does that do to you? What does that doing? How's that changing the way we see the world? So what do you think McLean is getting out when he says the medium is the message? Does he really mean that the only thing that matters is the media. I think what he's saying is that the communications technology that you are using is in some ways more important than the content you're actually conveying with it. Here's how Ted carpenter put it because every medium has its own bias, his own environment, zone reality, and. We occasionally understand that when a medium and a message get together, it can be a powerful statement. So that's the world Ted carpenter that comes out of and that leads him to do this sort of greasy experimental anthropology with raises a lot of ethical issues. But let's for the time being let sort of hand wave away these ethical concerns because for our purposes on this show, Ted carpenters, research is incredibly useful because this show is all about tracking the evolution of people alongside technology. The way technology changes over the centuries. But Ted carpenter, short circuits, that presence. He makes a wormhole from this pre media stone age tribe to really up to date technology of nineteen sixty nine the polaroid camera, and he doesn't in span of a second. So what happens after that initial shock is that a lot of the Papuan start to wear the photographs of themselves above their faces as sort of a second face and their friends will greet them by examining the photo of them. So the photo becomes the more important thing. It's like the more real manifestation of the person which is sorta relatable today, isn't it? Because I see pictures of my friends on social media more from the night. See my actual friend, exactly. I've experiencing the mainly through their representations. There's been this wild proliferation of self portraiture in the last few years for like Instagram feed or your Facebook feed, and it's all meant to be immediately shared with your friends are even people aren't quite really your friends and acquaintances, or even the level beyond that. And it's kind of hard for us to remember how knew that we weren't doing that as recently as ten years ago. And I don't think if I can play Marshall mcluhan for a moment, I don't think we fully come to grips with the way that that is changing us outside. Of my family and the corridors who I see every day at the office. Most people I know I see them way more often in photographs than I do in real life. Even if it's someone who lives in the same city as me, I am far more likely to see them on their Instagram, feed their Facebook feed, like a picture of them on vacation or a picture of them with their baby than I am to bump into them on the street or see them for a drink. I e everyone in photos now and so it's like the photos, the Instagram feed that is them right that that's a new motive existence. And I feel like our immersion in this new visual realm. It's kind of like the Papuans encountering the polaroid camera for the first time. Like it's it's brand new. We don't know how it's changing us and isn't posting a stream of self fees. Isn't that like wearing my own photo on my forehead where it's the photos that have become the more real manifestation of me. That's the thing that matters. Sometimes take carbon sure gets to Papuan village and it turns out he's been beaten there by another western film crew, like a documentary news recording images and not sharing them with the villagers, the way the Tacoma was using them to show other westerners and in those places. The thing was that the Papuans seemed to learn exactly what the documentary ins were expecting them to do in front of the camera. So what Ty Cobb into row was the instant. They saw the cameras. They rushed about for prompts, then sat in front of the cameras, one chopping with a stone axe another finger painting on bark a third starting a fire with bamboo. They were all equity actors. Do they form this sort of living tableaux because they know that's what's expected only know what that's what the documentary in wants. I don't feel these fills ring true, and he noticed that about documentaries that have been made about the indigenous people. He spent time with an Arctic Canada which he did before he went into Guinea for one thing that they turn every igloo into a sandwich workshop in. No, all these churry jolly eskimos do his string figures in this need to stories playing with the baby of that isn't what of those like. It drips. You shift from one to another and you wonder what in God's name, you're doing their the somebody belches every fart is is live with collectively the. The place places very depressing. Do they think that that's just what they meant to do? All. They just they playing along with, I'm I'm trying to work out what's what do you think's going through their minds when they, this is the ritual must be performed in front of the camera machine while I think it's kind of like what happens when we take an Instagram vacation shot. We kind of know what is expected of us, right? We kind of know what the shot's supposed to look like, and we're supposed to look happy and you're supposed to capture the cocktail with a straw in your hand. And so you create this Tableau for the camera. That's what you think the the viewer wants. So they know they're going to be off to use downed over there. You get the hand axe out. They know that that's going to be all of them anyway. So they might as well just cut to the chase, be the the Papuans from central casting will the camera creates a fake reality. The presence of the camera causes people to behave differently. It did for the Papuans and it does for us. I'm Juliet Turner. The editor in chief of slate, and I've got a new podcast about women and work called women in charge. There's no female way to be a boss, and they're also aren't enough female bosses demographically speaking. 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You know, it's a really complicated, messy, epistemological artifact, the photograph, and that's always has been and the words we use change. But the essential debate is we want this thing to tell the truth, but it doesn't always fails. It always ends up being something slightly false in seductive. In that way. Like if it was just because truth telling machine, I actually think we'd be really bored with it. It'd just be the scientific mechanism instead. It lies a little bit and that's really sick doctor, and I makes a kind of magical and it makes it fun and makes us wanna play with it. And that was the case with a Kodak brownie. And that's the case with Instagram, and is that tension between truth and false that keeps us coming back for more? Would your thinks is new is the way that we share our pictures now and the way that shifts our expectations of what will photograph and how will photograph it. People often say that photography so much different today because it's so easy to take a picture, but we had for a long time. It's been very easy and very cheap to take a pitcher. What's different is having the social network. You wouldn't take a picture of your latte unless you have someone to send it to to me, that's really what changes photography. It's that impulse to share that when you are looking at the world and you see a photo in the world, you see the photo with the potential audience in mind. Right. That is, I think, very different. The way that people use photos now on social media and especially young people is that they use their photos to communicate. The general trend is that photography looks more like talking photography looks more like social interaction Associati didn't become overcome by the technology of the photograph. I think that photography to a much larger degree looks more like sociology. So photos, it become a kind of language. They're not meant to be framed, put on the wall and presented as who we are, and those photos aren't really supposed to be looked at again, twenty years from now or even twenty four hours from now for the most part, when you're talking with somebody, you're having a conversation with somebody there, ephemeral, and it goes away. And I think images have become a way of communicating and like most conversations they are often ephemeral. I think of Nathan Juergen sin as sort of Ted carpenter only instead of studying the way that photos change Papuan tribes people. He's studying the way that social photos are changing. People who use apps like Instagram and Snapchat, and one of the things that he feels strongly about is that the way these apps are designed plays a big role in how they make us feel. For instance, there's this thing we call foam, oh, the fear of missing out. You go online. You see the screen, everyone's having a great time and you're, you're disappointed in your own life. And I think and there is research shows that like it's a foam owes a fun acronym, but it's not without merit. I think that's a real thing. And the the question is how our social media sites designed to create that. And is that inherent property of photography or is that the outcome of specific design decisions that platforms have made? One of the things that some of these apps do is count the number. Or of likes or shares that your photos got, and that can maybe encourage you to take different kinds of pictures to see if you can get your number's up. It's kind of an unhealthy sort of game because I mean, games are fun games are cool. I don't mean to see they should be part of social life. I like games, but not all of our interactions, not all of our news gathering out of all of our self presentation. Our interaction with our families and friends and loved ones, not all of that should be run through the logic of games and numbers, and metrics and scores. And I think that's been really it was really a radical design decision, and nobody really talks about his radical because I just normal. I think we're just so used to the first wave of social media doing that that we don't take that to be this radical. And I think kind of cruel does Hank his vision that we should just be really angry at and asking for it to go away. Sometimes we can feel powerless. When we use the social media apps the way they visually surround us and I kind of imagined it's what the Papuans must have felt. Like when Ted carpenter confronted them with a polaroid. So far we've been talking about the way the camera lies before the shutter clicks the way you put a camera on a tripod in front of people and suddenly all pose in a certain way, or when you ask someone to take an Instagram vacation shot and they know what to do, they constructed in a certain way. These are all things that happened before the shutter snaps, but one of the things you can do with photos on social media. After we've taken the photo is you can edit them. You can alter them and augment them, and it's really easy. And that opens up a lot of other opportunities for expression. When I add how feeling with words or drawing on that sunset, it now takes a picture that was kind of been all and uninteresting and look like everybody else's and not became uniquely me. And I think what's happened is that we've become with a social photography more like the storyteller. It's not really about getting the facts, exactly, right. But I'm expressing something I'm expressing my experience. I'm expressing a feeling and that's a truth that may be over and above the. Fact of the matter and that I think that's where we're going with social photography. We think of image modification as something that's pretty modern and something that's just a lark for us on Snapchat, but it's actually got a long history and he can have serious consequences. What does it take to disrupt an industry? How can some people do what's never been done before? What will life look like in the future? If you ask yourself questions like these, you might just get hooked on the trailblazers podcast series. It's hosted by the bestselling biographer, Walter Isaacson he finds unexpected back stories about today's biggest digital disruptions, for instance, can you believe right now there's a movement underway to vertically stacked crops, indoors, monitored by artificial intelligence, amazing stuff. And that's just one of many stories. You'll hear from brilliant guests at the forefront of their industries who reveal all the ups and downs twists and turns and lessons they learned along the way. You'll love these stories. They're fascinating and you'll hear tons of a ha moments in each episode. Just search trailblazers on your favorite podcast app or visit Dell technologies dot com. Slash trailblazers. So I spent a year working as a Photoshop operator, and this was way back in the in the nineties when digital photography was just getting started. But the weird thing about voters, hope is you spend whole. They do go to show up and then it messes with the way you perceive the world because you end up walking down the street and you want to like rubber stamp of the blemishes on the pavement, and you want to fix the bricks and the houses that aren't quite riot, hydrogen is unattractive. Let's take it out without really messes with your head doing doing Photoshop for long periods, but but I still feel like a liar. Well, I was kind of just following orders at that point. I was working co that's no excuse well, but that's, that's the case I've got to us. I mean, they said, do this do this until I did it. Tom, you're doing this in the mid nineties. But you know, we've been photo shopping things since long before computers even existed. But the funny thing is the mortification and manipulation photographs isn't new, and in fact, is his oldest photography itself. So having your picture taken in a photo studio was the dumb thing. You know, you won't have you. You'll picture on the wool and for decades, starting in the eighteen sixties. A well-known visual joke, which I suppose today we'd call a Meam was the fake decapitation image. One of the things they could offer you was the option to be shown holding your own head like a ghost or someone who recently been to the guillotine. And this was done through the magic of darkroom wizardry that essentially take a picture of you and then cut out the head and move it. And that's just a bit of fun. But similar tricks can be used in much more sinister and consequential lays. I always think of those photos of Stalin in the nineteen thirties where he's got his right hand man next to him. And then when you see another version of the picture, the person's just completely disappeared. Oh, they've replaced by someone else? Yes, the hilarious. Those. Pitches because they change over time. You get several different versions of them. You can see for over to the next people appear disappear on their faces change who's in favor and who's fallen out of favor in a particular year. So there's a very, very long history of this even before the digital era, the digital era has just made it easier and something that we can do in a few seconds just with a few taps on all small funds. I do remember one of the first ones it was John Kerry and Jane Fonda. This is Honey furried. He's a computer science professor at Dartmouth College, and he studies how to authenticate whether an image is real or faked. One of the first images he debunked was in two thousand and four. When John Kerry was running for president and a photo circulated showing Kerry sharing the stage at an anti Vietnam war rally with Jane Fonda who was a hugely controversial figure for things that she'd said and done during the Vietnam era. The thing was carry him never been onstage with Jane Fonda. Something about the photo was bugging us. We didn't know what it was, and it actually led us to develop a technique to analyze the lighting in a photo to determine if the sun, that's a luminated. The people in the scene is in the same physical location. And that was one of the first trickster photos during the election, and I'll tell you one of the most stunning thing. About this story was after the election after Kerry lost. I remember listening to a radio station news, news story, and they're interviewing somebody who voted for carries opponent. And he said, why didn't you vote for Kerry said, well, I couldn't get that image of carrying Fonda out of my head and the reporter said, well, you know, that was a fake image. And this is true. The guy said, I know, but I couldn't get the Madonna. My. And that's why images of played a role in politics since the beginning of the camera, even when you know that the image is false, you still can't shake it. That's the power of the visual. Saddam. We've been talking mostly about still photos, but now imagine that that still photo of John Kerry and Jane Fonda. Imagine it was a fake video, and so we could see John Kerry walking around the stage and talking and we could see Jane Fonda walking around and talking to him and John Kerry saying, I worship Satan, and I want to kill puppies, and we're almost at the point way you can fake videos easily as you can Photoshop images. In fact, just as we use the word Photoshop generically to refer to image manipulation, the would deep fake is starting to be used for manipulated videos and deep fakes are fake videos made using a form of machine learning, deep learning. But essentially it means if you've got enough photos of someone, it lets you stick their face onto someone else's body in video, and it's getting to the point where the kind of thing that used to take CGI artists months in a Hollywood movie to put a dead octa back into a film if they died in the middle of filming or whatever you can now just download the software and do this at home. Right. And just. I like the decapitation photos in those eighteen sixty photo studios. Some of these defects are pretty harmless, but some of them aren't. For instance, there are defects that will place a famous actresses face on the body of a woman in a pornographic film, and what Honey Farid is doing is trying to figure out how to keep up with the advances in deep fake technology and to be able to identify fake videos in cases where they might be spreading harmful. Misinformation, there's been a very dramatic change over the last year in terms of these deep fakes and how the machine learning algorithms are being used. And that is very disconcerting because the forensic science is really struggling to keep up because literally every few months, there's a new technique out there. And so it's very much a moving target for us and that is an incredible challenge. Okay. So what happens when these deep fake videos start to enter the realm of political propaganda or literally synthesizing images by trying to match the head posed the eye movements, the the mouth moving and you. You can basically act as a puppeteer and then you have synthetic voice, and we now have the ability to create videos of president world leader saying things that they never said and the the videos, not perfect. There's often artifacts but are getting to the point where they are a little alarming because you can. You can imagine a scenario where videos go viral of President Trump saying, have launched nuclear weapons against North Korea. And by time anybody gets around to analyzing that video and figuring out that it's fake. You know, we have global nuclear meltdown in this world, and I don't think that is out of the question. I don't think it's likely, but I don't think it's out of the question. The saying that picks her didn't happen has given way to video or didn't happen. We still intuitively trust video and if video can be compromised or made up that goes out the window. Rebecca crucial is executive director of the information society project at Yale Law School, and she studied the legal issues around things like deep fakes. She has this bet with some other experts in this area, including one of my colleagues at the economist as it happens, and the bet is quite specific. It's that someone is going to create a fake video about a political candidate, and it's going to get more than two million views before it gets debunked on. All of this is going to happen before the end of twenty eighteen. The real question is not if this is going to happen. The real question is when the most likely thing that will happen is that we'll discover there was a deep fake long after its effectiveness, the situation whether she wins the battle, note the rise of. Fake videos highlights a deeper problem with our ability to decide whether images can be trusted and one hand this, this is the next step from photo shopped images that that just as we had a learn, not to trust photographs. Now we're going to have to learn how not to trust video. The difference being is that when we were learning to not trust photographs, we had video is a backstop. I don't know what we have after we don't trust video anymore. There's this concept called the lies dividend. The idea is that if you put enough lies out into the world that can no longer be any truth, it's a trick that authoritarian leaders love to use when Russia's accused of doing something bad, for example, not. I mean, Putin floods, the media with alternative narratives. So nobody knows what to believe. So following this principle, if there were enough fake videos in the world, then every video could seem suspicious. Even if there's accurate video, it can be accused of being a deep fake and truth itself comes under attack. It's hard to tell what we have as an objective source of truth anymore. Which brings us back to Ted carpenter, the anthropologist in NEW GUINEA at one point in his travels, he encountered a tribe that had a sacred secret male initiation rites. He'd brought his movie camera who's actually his wife Adelaide, who was the camera person. And when the tribes saw it, they asked him to film their secret initiation ceremony. So we did when the ceremony was over in the filming was done. The elders asked if they could watch this movie of themselves carpenter, agreed, but I needed to send the film back to America to be processed. So as they waited the try prepared, they meet a sacred enclosure specifically for viewing the film. And then they announced that once the film had been shown, they would no longer hold mandatory initiations for the tribes men as they'd done for hundreds of years because they'd have a film of it. They could look at the presence of the camera, had detonated their entire way of life. The idea that an image could be more important to the path ones than the real thing that it depicts is scary, but we sort of do the same kind of thing today by spending more time interacting with our friends as digital, semi lateral social media that we do in person. Once again, it's like the pictures of more important than the reality and it's actually even scarier now because we still put tremendous faith images. And in some ways we let them supersede real life. But now we have no guarantee that the image hasn't been manipulated or just made up out of thin air. And even if the images on dot truly manipulated the selection of pictures and videos that people post on social media can be wildly misleading since the invention of photography we have if you'd like had to navigate a personal version of the lies dividend, whether it's endless albums or slide shows of holiday photos or over sharing on social media where all spreading and receiving propaganda about our own lives to try to control the. View that we want people to have of us. And when you add image manipulation and the game, if occasion of likes and shares that distorts things even further. So it's hard to tell what's an objective source of truth anymore. We can all be like Vladimir Putin. We can all flood zone with narratives on entirely truthful. And in some cases, deliberately obscure reality. Ted carpenter died in two thousand eleven one year after Instagram launched thanks to his time in NEW GUINEA. He didn't need to see the advent of social photography in order to understand that images have a power to shape the world beyond our control in their transform way. We haven't harvest of lisera stuff the ocean. We may as well stop the ocean. Visual technology is a wave that has crashed over us and continues to keep us submerged and disoriented. We've gotten so used to altering photos and videos on our smartphones, applying filters cropping, adding affects all to mislead an influence our audience. I think we're becoming increasingly comfortable with the idea that recorded images will bear a very tenuous relationship to the truth that a video of a politician might be genuine might not who knows throw up your hands, whatever. And I wonder what it will mean to live in a future world where we have zero trust or even expectation that recorded images or authentic, you'll be no more distinction between visual factor fiction, no more distinction between you or the false you that your images presented me no more distinction between evidence, the changes our minds or propaganda, the clouds them. Tom, I will confess to you my original intention for how we're gonna wrap up this episode is I was going to make a deep fake where they would put you into pornography or d. Like a male porn star. Thank you, this. This is the podcast and there's no video, and I was gonna confront you with it and see how would that mean? Let's just imagine I did that. And let's just say I threatened to, you know, put it on Facebook, just put it up on my Twitter page, release it to the world. Now, how do you feel now then I say, how much do you won't? I mean, that's the next step. Well, I think the final you couldn't do these things shows you that it's more difficult than you think it is so identity how quickly these things are going to get better, but maybe it would make me think twice about having as many pages of me publicly available because that's one of the things you could do. I have friends who do this who you know they deliberately keep pictures of themselves off social media because they just don't know what's going to happen to them who's gonna use them things. And then the other thing is still the voice. Yeah. Well, okay, so I wasn't able to make the deep big video, but he was going to do Tom. What do you think about my arguments so far? Now that's sort of like you doesn't one hundred percent sound like sounds like a very bolt be? Yes. What is it that? So this is this is the company called wire bird. And if you give them a few hours of audio of someone talking and transcripts of that, they can take it and make a voice. So that's what we did with you. We took a few hours of you talking and transcripts of what you were saying. We gave them to the company and the created this voice, your voice, and I can make you say anything. I want you to say pretty much go then that some here you are again. Welcome to the secret history of the future. Now, as you point out with this, this is not yet one hundred percent plausible voice like no one is going to listen to this and be like, oh yes, that's definitely Tom speaking. So naturally, that sounds just like him, but you can also see how they might get there before too long. And then what then what you know now I can just have you seen anything at the drop of a hat on my command, your my puppet. That's true. If you look at the defect videos of of of Donald Trump and Barack Obama, they both had to use impressionists to do the voice. And actually that was what led them down. So I think they can crack that. Then we're really in trouble. But I think the gem we'll take away is that we will need to be on our guard in ways that maybe we would to the post and we need to be much more skeptical about just very toes, but also video and audio, and we maybe need to think about how much of also we put out there into the public domain, which just gives people the role materials. They need to make fake versions of us. Awesome. I couldn't have put it better myself. The message is taking a fake voice to persuade me that multiple clue was right play. I'm Seth Stevenson and I'm Tom standard. The secret history of the future is a joint production of slate and the economist it's produced by Bart warshaw and Kate Holland editorial help was provided by Gabriel Roth, senior producer for sleep. Podcasts is TJ Rafael. The executive producers are Steve lick tie for sleep podcasts and mckelway for the economist next week on the secret history of the future. 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Well I Never! Dealing with Slackers in Groups

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Well I Never! Dealing with Slackers in Groups

"Welcome to the INDIGO PODCAST and exploration of human flourishing at work in beyond I'm Ben Baron of INDIGO ANCHOR AND CLEVELAND. State. University. And I'm for seven of indigo anchor for more information. Please visit us at www dot indigo podcasts dot. com. I. Never. Ceiling with slackers in groups wait this happens people slack in groups. Do they ever and we all know that our listeners know that. Today. We're GonNa talk about what is social loafing, what we know about it, and what does it do to groups and teams it's not good and how to prevent social loafing and I just have to say that in all of organizational behavior as an academic discipline as A. Reality in our lives. Social loafing is probably one of my favorite phrases. I now like as it brings up bread which I love. Has Logo because as a loaf in it? Right if it's hard, I'm thinking about it. Yeah. Yeah. So today we're GonNa talk about this thing called social loafing and it does have to do with slackers in groups. Have you ever had any slackers in groups that you've worked with Oh my gosh pretty much. You know. So everybody said how high schools kids games you know wait till you get to Undergrad it's GonNa be a whole day you'll be in the real world i. Knew it was like wait a minute. I'm learning some stuff. Is. Not The real world, right? That's right. Then I get to Grad school right and then and Grad school you like well, these are adults. Some of these are mid career nationals and I mean we're all going to be super serious and if we have group work now. This is ubiquitous. Yes. Yes. This. Problem of someone slacken off in the group. So this is you know and I teach in university I sometimes have group projects, not not frequently Especially, it's a little tougher with yet when you have online teaching but you know one joke that I make when I do have group projects, and of course, is I have a slide that I put up and I you know I say when I die I, want the members of my group project to carry my casket so they can let me down one last time. Do you really do and? Everybody gets it immediately and they all just start dying of laughter because we've all been on those group projects where someone wasn't pulling his or her weight, and then the other thing I say to my students is if you've never been in a group that had this problem, guess what you are social loafer. We put that that slide picture on and I showed him. Let's not forget it out I'll find it. So yeah, this is a real problem in in college projects projects, and of course, but this also happens in other aspects of life. Yeah. Like in in the workplace and it's challenging in the workplace because you don't want to be. The jerk right. You're just doing work and then enter your boss calls a meeting or something, and you know everybody mumbles ended the conference room and sits like also now, what hey, guys we got this group project we gotta do and and the worst thing is it's got people off our team that are also on this project. So it's like g great and then and never there's somebody that doesn't pull their weight right and then you have to walk this minefield of how he's not on my team. How do I say hey? Phil. Olson over there as a Jackwagon doesn't contribute. Yeah or or Jane over here is Gosh she never does anything I don't want to be on this group project with Jane because. Yeah. Right. The right. So let's let's go into the literature on this and see what it says with regard to social loafing. So this is not a new phenomenon of interest within the social sciences and we came across to good reviews one review, one Meta analysis to be specific on this topic of social loafing. So I'd like to just start with a really good. Kind of first introductory few sentences from a two thousand fourteen review by Ashley, Sims and Tommy Nichols in the Journal of Management Policy, and practice because they provide a little bit of context around this and I'm going to quote this but I'm not gonna I'm not GonNa say all the citations that are within it because that would be laborious for our listeners. So here goes. In nineteen thirteen, a phenomenon was found that at the time did not receive sufficient attention. Maximilian Riggleman a French agricultural engineer observed that when a group of people collectively pulled on a rope, the output was less than when group members individually pulled on the rope. The result of this finding were not considered further until one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, four when some other people did a another experience recreate it. and. I. Still quote the term social loafing was coined for the discovery that the participants working in groups exert less effort than participants working individually it was described as having a detrimental effect on individuals and the institutions associated with them. So we can think of the game of tug of war, right? This is something they observed more than one hundred years ago when people are pulling on a rope and you know when you have a bunch of people pulling on the rope, they don't pull as hard as they would if they were just pulling by themselves. So yeah, I think rope polling is like a great easy example to look at group effort, right? There's everybody in the group and anybody on the outside kind of see. You may not see if you're on that rope. But if you're watching your, you can tell he's pulling their weight or no. Yeah. Yeah. So to go a little bit further on this definitional piece of social loafing in a Meta analysis by Stephen Corral and kipling Williams here's how they put it and I quote from them. Formally social. loafing is the reduction in motivation and effort when individuals work collectively compared with when they work individually or collectively when working collectively individuals work in the real or imagined presence of others with whom they combine their inputs to form a single group product when working co actively individuals work in the real or imagined presence of others but their inputs are not combined with the inputs of others. Determining the conditions under which individuals do or do not engage in social loafing is a problem of both theoretical and practical importance. So the idea here is that when people are working on something that contributes that the inputs or the what you're doing, your work out is going to be combined with everybody. Else's that's when you have social loafing oftentimes starting to occur, and as we mentioned with the group project. There is a lot of practical relevance and importance for this idea. We want in our organizations every team that I've been on you want it to be as we oftentimes saying this podcast firing on all cylinders you want every member of the team to be fully engaged and fully contributing in the way that they can, and when you have someone who is socially loafing, that is not occurring. Yeah so This is the thing I always wanted. Well, if I don't care and we'll get into this in a minute if I don't really care about were doing. What we're doing is a team you know maybe my heart's just not in it and kind of collective morale situation but I remember there is a band that was in college started. By this guy called the electric Biglou Boogie band and they were Hornbeck we played rock salsa. So this was back in the days of creed everybody and everybody was trying to be super cool. We're a bunch of music major nerds playing salsa dancing music and a lot of swing when swing Brian Setzer and all that stuff was going. Okay. Well, I wanted to be in this band so bad they were by far the best band on campus. Play there three or four cool rock songs, and then we'd close out whatever college music events with two or three hours of of get down party dance music right So I remember I wanted to be in that group I went up to the head of Ban- It was like listen man you got fire your guitarist and let me in. Like like I'll play better than him. I'll work harder them and so when I was in that group as far as putting together charts, arranging rehearsals like all the everybody was firing on all cylinders because they really gave a rip, you didn't want to be seen as a social loafer. Go Out of your way to contribute. More. Right. So what's what's really good about that example Chris is, is that okay you're all bought into I, guess the mission or what you're trying to do. The other thing, and we'll talk about this a little bit more one reason psychologically why social loafing probably didn't occur in that situation is that all of your individual contributions to the team are very visible in a music group like that right? especially one of that size perhaps people were on the team or. I don't know ten. We had a full horn section and okay it. Yeah. But but but it was but it was at the level where you still could tell like if someone was prepared or not or if someone you know was contributing or not win when people's individual contributions to the group are kind of nebulous if they're not well defied or if they're kind of invisible, it's a lot easier to socially loaf. Yeah. Like big lecture classes now with ill-defined groups and I mean I remember go into professors with the other people in the group and being like this person's not doing anything and it's driving is not say she zero. But. What do you think when when students come to complain I mean what's The challenge for you there? Ben Well, the challenge for me is first of all I don't know if they're telling the truth right students students try to lie to you sometimes and I don't know necessarily whether or not. They are just ganging up on this one person. Now that's probably not the case I. Don't know if they'd have a huge incentive to do that you know the but the other problem as a professor is like, what do I do with that? Well, I guess I could doc the person's. Grade that one person but then they're gonNA get you know they're going to have a case say oh, well, you know. You're just being mean to me or or whatever. Right it gets into a lot of kind of he said, she said types of situations there. So actually what I do when I have group projects and of course is I do some of the things that we'll talk about today in which I set very specific examples and expectations around what what is social if I actually have a conversation about social open before the group projects starts and I say look, this is something that happens we've all been in these projects. Let's make this one not like the others. Let's make this a good project. Then I also have an individual component usually that's great. It's separately. So yeah, everybody gets the same grade. On the group project, but that is one part of your overall grade on the on the project. So you have an individual component that you have to turn into me grade that you have the group project agreed that we average them together, and that's your grade on the overall project or something like that, and that provides an incentive for everyone to have that individual contribution that will talk about. So that tends to work a little bit and I think that applies to the workplace to you want to know what people are doing You want to see those individual contributions and have them clearly defined otherwise. It's just going to turn into a big mass and socially loafing will be more prevalent. Broach hip for all those university professor listeners that we have. So Ben let's talk about so. We've kind of defined social loafing at this point, and let's talk about what this does to groups and teams. Yeah. Well, I think. Obviously. It's not good and you know we we all had those experiences in which we were on a team where someone was the social loafer and you know it can actually make people pretty resentful. You're just kind of thinking oh my gosh I'm doing all the work and this person's getting away with nothing. And you know going back to my example with what I tell students another thing I tell my students is, hey, this happens in the real world. So you're going to have to be able to deal with it again, this group project So they don't really like that answer, but it is it is reality and. So when we look at the literature, there are. A number of things that we can say the first thing is people have been studying this since nineteen thirteen at least right. The lawn has been mode on this area of research to my estimation I I. Don't think there's a whole lot that we don't know perhaps there is I I have not. This is not my specific area of research. We've been looking at this for a long time, and one of the biggest findings is that it is common is not just in your imagination it happens across different types of tasks. It happens across different types of people, different types of groups. So you know. It's not an imagination. Right, and so let's let's talk about. So in groups and teams, you know you get sorted sometimes the job you're in, you know you know when I was four imagined I'd be processing payments, for X., y., Z., medical equipment. Company. Reminds me of some commercial? For, a long time ago whereas like these little kids all saying things about adult jobs, like one of them said, I want to file all day long yeah. What was that commercial? Listeners if you know that commercial is Senate and we'll put it in the shouts. No I mean it's like there's just this whole thing in life happens right you know you've got an elder care situation that you didn't anticipate. You know there's a car I mean all kinds of different stuff near in a town that there's just not everything that you'd WanNa do available to you. But one of the things that social loafing occurs that's from the the the evidence here is it occurs because people think they're effort isn't likely to lead to a valued outcome, right? So that's kind of a in organizational behavior kind classic expectancy theory of motivation type stuff. So you know think that what we're GONNA do is GonNa lead to something we want. kind of like I don't really want to get involved with this. I don't feel very motivated by motivational force is likely going to be low So you know just improving your project management and possibly the people management won't necessarily get you to one hundred percent team because those individual motivations delay a role and that should be something that's curated it. Should be something that you consider if you can especially when you're thinking about, okay who's going to be on this team sometimes, we don't have a choice. You know sometimes you have to play with the team. You've got other times. You may be are setting up something special and that when that is the case, then you want to be thinking about number one. Do people have the right skills, knowledge abilities, and other characteristics that I need on this day and number two. Do they have the motivation? So those two things are very important if you're putting together a team to help avoid social loafing. Yeah. So when I look at new managers, most of them don't get the pick the team you know they just have their team and and lots of time it's like, okay new manager or manager. XYZ maybe you've been in the role ten fifteen years that's fine they're just focused on. Okay. How do we need to divide this working to twelve widgets a day or we're going to start off with this kind of phase them we'll go to that phase and then we'll deliver in August when this is due. And that communicate that and then things start to slip and that's because you've paid attention to the project plan maybe even brought in some groundbreaking new project management methodologies that you're super excited about. But that's not going to get you there and you've got to appeal to the motivations of your team. Now, if you aren't like solving cancer or world hunger or something or your if. Your team if this is something mundane. So here in the military, we get these inspections where while you just got a check, the box on these agreed upon procedures, everybody knows what to do and it's really lame like they're one of the tools and techniques you can use his appeal to the people to the kinds of people they wanna be listen guys this this project stinks. Or. This project is that fun but DAD GONNA WE'RE GONNA hit out of the part because that's who we are as a team. We have a reputation for excellence making that appeal to those existential things at the heart can help go there. But because when people don't think that their efforts are going to lead to the literature says of valued outcome you had to create that valued outcome for your team right? Right. That's well said and you. Know some things from the literature on social loafing is that people are more likely to engage in this under a certain set of circumstances So for example, we've already mentioned this a little bit but when people's individual contributions aren't very easily identified or evaluated, you might have some social loafing. So yeah, that's like a cohort of numskull sitting around and it's just not moving fast. You're like whose not pulling their weight and everybody does a little timid. And looks around like. I want me. You'll never know see you know right right well, and if you as the leader of that team or you as a team member even haven't encouraged some specific definitions of roles and responsibilities. And what people are actually going to do then guess what individual contributions are not going to be very easily identified or evaluated if it's just like, okay. Well, we need to do X. Y., and Z., and it never becomes Chris how about you take this task this is would done looks like by this time or date or whatever. Right something specific. So then Chris feels the motivation says he doesn't look bad in front of everybody else. Yeah. This is one of the reasons scrum or using can ban boards Kanban whatever the boards were right because everybody sees what everybody's doing. It's it's hard hard. You takes more pro loafing skills to pull loafing off. Right. Yeah. So you know we've already mentioned one You know in terms of motivation when people don't think the task is meaningful, they will oftentimes be more likely to love. But also when they're working with strangers in a new group in a new setting, this can occur and some of that is just kind of this group formation type of dynamic that has to occur when you have a bunch of people who haven't worked together before working together for the. First Time You know oftentimes, people are a little bit hesitant in those situations to perhaps be very directive with each other to provide each other honest feedback. Everyone's trying to feel it out and move forward in a way that has some cohesion But this again goes back to the idea that a you need to have some good expectations and set some clear roles even if the group is new and if people don't really know each other. social loafing certainly happens more frequently when there aren't those clear standards play right this is why definition of is so important let's definition of done use use that so. Saying from the scrum guide and it's within a lot the software if they have a clear acceptance for your task and everybody knows what that looks like. Then, you're not gonNA turn in half baked work, but one of the problems early on in software is what we call gilding. That's where you don't. Oh, I'm going to do this extra awesome stop by having a clear definition of done sets, the quality standard and manufacturer they call it cost quality. You don't build a widget that's far over engineer than what you're people need. If it costs a whole bunch anyway, you look up Google, cost quality and definition. Of done but it's this idea of everybody understands that clear standard of what kind of work they gotta turn and yeah well, and what's what I found really interesting, and this is you know comes through our work together Chris when we've been doing this with clients or when we've been doing it with our own projects is defining what done looks like for any task actually takes a little bit of effort because sometimes we start having that conversation realize. Oh My definition of done was a little off from what someone else thought. Let's really go back and forth here to come up with that shared definition of Don and that way you can have a clear standard that you need to deliver upon and that can decrease this phenomenon of social loafing. Right. So and here's the other thing when you expect others in the group to perform well. Yeah that's like a cultural standard they're going to perform well. Yeah. Yeah. Well, when somebody thinks that I'm just an also ran in the project Well, that's not. That's not very sexy. Is it? Right, now, there is a little bit of a flip side is kind of interesting when it comes to other people on the team. So if you you're on a team and you think everyone else is a rock star and you maybe have a little bit lower opinion of your own knowledge skills and abilities given that task you might be a little bit hesitant to to really Kinda pull your. Weight. So to speak because you might think, oh well, you know everyone's doing. Amazing. So I'm just GonNa Kinda let them keep doing amazing while I do kind of my my underwhelming contribution to the team effort. So and if you're on a team where everybody's amazing like knowledge, I'm like guys you guys are like that chain saws and axes here and I'm just a tiny bit of sandpaper. Helped me be more like you I mean, this is the time they tape, find yourself in the presence of giants like go put yourself out there. But that's somewhere where you could work guys. How can I pull my weight more I want to grow and mean that's actually an opportunity in the right sat. That's right. So those are some conditions under which social loafing is more more more likely to occur. We can also look at what we know about teams in general here. So when you have a large team. This is fairly intuitive. But when you have a large team, it's pretty easy or a lot easier to hide right if you have a team that is fifty people that are all working together on some project. Well, you know. You can kind of fly under the radar and not do a whole lot probably and get away with it because it is so hard for those individual contributions to actually be defined and for anyone to monitor them, and this is why whenever I tell managers who thinking about setting up a special team or working on any kind of project actually I've done this with with a nonprofit board that I'm on I said, you know we want to have a size of board you want to have the right size of team and two large is not necessarily the way to go I would prefer to have fewer the minimum number that you need to get. The job done well is oftentimes the right idea. Now, sometimes, you gotta pull off these law large team or large teams of teams, Cross Functional Shenanigans, and here's a strong if you're going to step into that place and do it well and not have a bunch of wasted velocity on social loafing, you need to have some facilitation techniques engaged. So if you're in a learning development role and that's something that it's just always try to do it with smaller teams, but there's times where you can't. Yeah it's just required year having some big digital transformation project. If you're in the leadership and development or HR function, you need to make sure that you get those critical staff. TRAINED UP ON FACILITATION LARGE team project management, and a whole bunch of your typical. PMP. Guy's not going to be or GAL is not going to be able to pull this off. Right. There's very specific techniques there, and it needs to be couched in a culture which we'll get to that culture stuff in a and a and a bit. But here's the other thing is having distinct roles and individual team makeup is super important So when people have a unique contribution, they tend to loaf less. So if you're if you're on a mission to Mars, you can always only take so many people right because a shuttles only so big. You're not. GonNa put a bunch of redundancy on those roles right? You're not gonNA take. Tests and one pilot. Pilot has a heart attack or something right? Well, I guess we'll be studying Moore's for a while 'cause nobody can drive us out. Well Even think about the our little team that we have working on this podcast You know we kind of share responsibility and we co develop what we're going to talk about and things like that. But we do have some specific role. So for example, you do all of the at least the initial editing and all that kind of work to put our podcasts together. That's very unique contribution and they'd be very obvious if he didn't do it. Right. Thanks. One of our episodes can have crappy post production and I'm GONNA get stoned born. Exactly. Yeah. That'll be our case support that. Looks, like Chris a social loafer that week. That's right. So having a unique contribution is very important, and this is where you as a leader and a manager have a unique opportunity to clearly define roles responsibilities. We are to talk about definition of on being one way to do that and this is. Your job as a leader is to initiate some structure and at the same time have individualized consideration for all the different team members. So you know put that structure in place don't let it be to Amorphous. You gotta balanced kind of autonomy was structure in any group or team. I say that to my junior officers in the military and people executives I coach all the time your job as a leader is to create structure in ambiguity and then drive results. I mean. What else are you there for to like to attend the meeting and send an update email if you're an organization that that's what you that's all you require from your leaders go do push-ups. Go do push ups if you can't be smart at least you'll be strong. That's. Well I never. Know, another interesting area from the research is you know some people have looked at how social loafing can actually be adaptive right? That's kind of an interesting thing. Yeah. So I mean. Despite every managers thoughts of plotting and designing people are incredibly Self organizing resilient people If it's Baloney they'll figure out how to drag their feet and. All that stuff. But here's the thing if you have poor workload balancing for your employees. You know because keep sending. Okay. WE'RE GONNA keep sending down more and more and more work right down below eventually there's a snapping point. They just can't do it right well, and who is it in the organization who oftentimes? Dumped on with all the extra responsibilities, it's hard workers, the people who drive. Yeah, and you know you just have to be very careful that you're not overburdening your top talent i. mean to some degree you know yeah you should give them more responsibility more things that they can work on but you gotta be careful because if you do that too much then you're just punishing people for working hard right and and then sometimes the evaluation system right? You don't evaluate people's group efforts. It's okay. Let's look at your quarterly or annual performance evaluation and it's all individual efforts. So one of the things that people will do that's adapted as well. They'll drag their feet on group. Projects they won't put a whole lot of work saving themselves for their individual task and efforts that they get reviewed on and so but this is a problem, not necessarily the individual although individuals definitely have problems. This is a problem of like designing what the day-to-day work looks like. It has problems to do with how what's the capacity of teams and stuff and you know if you're an a gross situation, you may have twenty ideas to grow your organization but only enough staff and cash to do one or two a year right and yet. Yeah get keep hammer down eventually social loafing and other ways that people self organize to keep their sanity and not want to you know. Drink heavily every night after work is GONNA kick in. For sure. So we've talked about what social loafing says. He's talked about some of the big research findings around when it occurs, what makes it more likely and these lead to some specific ideas around how we can. Prevent Social Loafing, or at least decrease the probability of its occurrence. Yeah. There's some schools that are gonNA loaf. No matter what I mean I, don't. Put them on a treadmill with the cattle product. They're back and they're still gonNA feel like man shot can I take care before you know There's always. So we'll talk about what we can do you know the best that we can do right right. So one of the key drivers here is culture and way have a high performance organizational culture in which social loafing is something that people are aware of and people are on the lookout for Then you're going to be less likely if you have a culture where you know. It's just kind of tolerated. Then it's going to be more likely. You know I one of I had a friend once who used to say that you know one big part of culture is you know what you tolerate in the organization you know those things that you as the manager or you a team member are willing to ignore. Those pieces of of your work life that that becomes part of the fabric of the organization. So if you're tolerating social loafing as a leader as a manager as a team member, then it's going to be more likely. So you have to start to build those norms those expectations around hey, that's just not the way we do things around here you know This is how we work in teams and groups. This is how we we worked together in a way that is truly helping everyone to fire on author cylinder. So yeah so says big, there's this explicit culture you know you gotta plaque with your values maybe you worked with a consulting group like us to get get you a cultural statement. That's worth a darn. So but then there's what everybody Oh. Yeah. We know we say that but here's what's really goes on. And this is where the moral landscape and the ethics of your manager throughout your organization is going to buy you so much more than you can even quantify. It from a financial results perspective because they're they're teaching everybody within the organization. Well this is how we roll and this ord right, and so you got it, you can't fake this stuff say that all the time you cannot fake culture. So if you have a toxic culture or if you're like, well, we're cheating these financial goals out just let it go eventually that's going to bite you in the key stor. That's right. Yeah. It'll bite you in the kiesewetter. So said Kista. Culture. A lot of social loafing is a cultural issue. That it's accepted there versus you know some of it when people come to a job interview and meet people and say, well, what's a day to day here the job look like they're like Ooh I met social over I. Don't know if I'm going to be able to get get it get along with loafing here. Let let them go to the competitors because your culture will self select the kind of you know people you want the numskulls can go elsewhere. Yeah. Yeah. You know another big finding here from the research resources that. Kind of a ten general finding but it's an interesting one and this has to do with perceived organizational success and we've talked about this on the podcast before but perceived organizational support is all about this idea that and is this very well researched idea Substantiating evidence for this that people kind of generate these global beliefs about their work organization and their relationship with their work organization more specifically, they develop these beliefs about the degree to which their work organization cares about their wellbeing and values their contributions. Right and a big driver of this is you know your supervisors support if my supervisor really cares about my wellbeing and valued my contributions, I'm likely to attribute that to the organization and think, yeah, this organization cares about me and they value what I do. Well, when that is high you know social loafing. Is a little bit less likely because people feel this obligation to reciprocate back to the organization and to perform. Well. So that's another kind of the cultural piece. It's a communication piece. It's a leadership piece that can be an important ingredient in this this whole recipe. Yeah. I, hear CEO, say all the time why why won't my you know the people in my organization care about this company like it's their own company well, first of all, it's not right. If you sell out to venture capital, you're the one with the boat and Caymans not joe worker. Unless you're unless you're Isa for something, right so That's an employee stock ownership program. Kroger is a big example of a big stop here in the US, but. If you want to get closer to individuals treating the org like it's their own. Having. Strong perceived organizational support is a key element of that. That's right. That's right. So another way you can prevent this we've talked to us a little bit already when we talk Muslim the drivers of social loafing but setting some clear expectations of people's performance and Teams and people within those seems need to perform. That is a key way in which those individual contributions can become more clear and you can hold people accountable for their performance instead of just kind of letting them. Work under the radar. So to speak, yeah, if you're kicking off a new cross functional team or team that's just getting put together temporarily for a project I'd love to just say, all right. Let's set some behavior standards here you know emails will be responded to within twenty, four, forty, eight hours If somebody can't do something, they will notify the group you know the. These kinds of things? So setting expectations of those performance can kind of set the tone for how works going to get done now and going back to these individual contributions make them visible so you know this is where, for example, in the scrum methodology, the scrum liturgy as you sometimes call it, you know this can be a powerful way to review who's done what and. And make that really visible to everyone because it kind of creates some social pressure. If imagine at the beginning of the week where you all sit down and you're saying, okay, here's a everything needs to happen. Here's the priorities for what we're going to work on this week. Here's who's doing what and we have clear definition of done for every single one of those tasks then come Friday or whenever the kind of the end of that little cycle is whatever you agree upon. You can go around the room and say, all right. Tell me where are you with this one? Jackwagon? Make that a positive so in Sony does something good. Say thanks bill. Dates Jane. Right. Hey Jane, you turn that in on time and that was really decisive for our team being able to go and you can make a pray. It doesn't always have to be. You know as fun as it is to call somebody out. Sometimes you know a more positive culture there around just praising the good can can be a key I. I totally agree with you. You're you're absolutely right and your your recognition of what people are doing. Right should exceed the number of times that you point out what they're not doing, right? Because that will reinforce those positive norms in the group in the team So you know another thing you can do to help prevent social loafing to kind of check yet on the task meaningfulness right this where you actually have to get to know your people and understand their motivations a little bit more because what is valued to one person in the organization as an outcome is maybe not necessarily to. Another person people have different interests there at different stages in their careers and so making sure you have people assigned to tasks, they find meaningful if at all possible can help with motivation in this case. Yeah, and money can be a motivator and so but there's a that's a mixed bag. We won't dive into that but you know check out our other podcast episode called make it rain money as motivator. So also, team outcomes as a motivator I've been on teams where I really hated the projects That we were doing and what we're on but I had so much pride in the output of our team and our reputation within the organization. That even though I was doing some of the most garbage task on that team, somebody had to do it. I would volunteer to take those because I know these garbage tasks that nobody likes doing are going to trip us up. So I'M GONNA, go ahead and take ownership of them because I want the reputation the outcome of our team to lean. Excellent. Going along with that, you WanNa make sure that you have your goals well-defined, make sure that they are. Clear to everyone, and so she can all be rowing in the same direction Another way that you can do this as having good processes in place you know assuming you have the right people in the room the right team members working on a project you can have some sort of process that we mentioned the scrum process. That's just one. There are many different ways in which you can organize work and kind. Of the rhythm of how a team does what it does. But this ensures that everyone is firing on all cylinders making sure that you have all the different aspects of the project well-defined and since you're not getting into the situation where social loafing might be prevalent right and knowing the Org has clearly defined goals and strategy, and that's baked throughout the organization It's really important as a leader to describe to your team. This is how we're doing fits into the larger plan. Yeah Right. So so people say like man I'm doing this project I'm delivering this. That's part of this key initiative that we're trying to do right now and that that's important. That's right. That's right. So it reminds me of Does. So you have ski the Russian author. Yes well I in one of his other books called the House of the dead. He's describes prison life, and he's he talks about how know one of the the worst things that you can do to a person is make them all day on digging a hole in the ground, and then they fill it in at the other day. This idea that we we hate doing work that has no purpose and making sure that people see how their team goals connect with overall organizational goals can be really motivating for folks so they can feel like they have some you know. kind of the feels worthwhile, right? Yeah. But I would I would camp this here everyone's like, yeah. Just trick them into feeling like their work as meaningful. So you can give better performance more. You know if you're an organization doing something worthwhile, you don't have to go through those manipulate games and people can smell that Bologna a mile away. So even if you're making you know sterilization for surgical. Products I mean anything that somebody's willing to pay for has value. And you need to that value through your organization. I just see this all the time. It's like, oh. Yeah. Yeah. Bill I think your contributions are really and it's just so shallow and the Hubris of thinking that your employees stupid enough to buy your Baloney that. Come on come on. Yeah. So the genuine what I'm talking about is it's not about manipulation. It's about communication because that's exactly sometimes it might not be evident to that person in that moment about what how what they're doing connects to a bigger goal and you as the leader, a manager may be in a situation where you have broader visibility on how that fits into the bigger picture you know. So one example is very prevalent in my mind is back when I was a young junior officer in the navy aboard A. Guided Missile Destroyer out in the Arabian Gulf and I worked with a bunch of elections I was in charge of the electrical division and It was hard for them sometimes to see how they're fixing these little electrical issues doing maintenance in and the you know various nether regions of the ship had anything to do with the global war on terrorism but it was my job to help them realize you know what they're doing was appreciated how what they're doing was very important for our overall functioning and so forth. So Wilson. Another thing you can do to prevent social loafing is be careful of how you reward behavior. So if you are trying to reward a group, make sure that that's you know has a good balance with individual rewards. Don't just reward everybody individually and then expect some sort of group outcome because then people have no incentive to work together on any kind of project. So be careful there. Yeah. So if you're an HR performance evaluation having a component of especially if most of your work has a team element having some way to evaluate that is important. Make sure you do it consult the literature it needs to be evidence pace. Oh. Okay. Another thing is dividing efforts based on difficulty. You know since we know these problems exist in teams having a bunch of individual works. Okay. You know but more difficult tasks that are broader generally needs a team. So you know teams that are up to a difficult task can fire on more cylinders because there's actually more weight that needs to be lifted. Right and another unique feature of a task that requires it to be a team task versus an individual task has to do with what we call interdependence of the task. Right. There's just something I'm doing you know or I could just do it knocked it out of the park and maybe just kind of gets kicked into the overall team output that's that's one way to do it but if it's something that really requires we call reciprocal interdependence where everybody really needs to be working together on on the the group project then that should be a team project and that's going to require you to to make sure there's no social loafing involved. Right and just to kind of wrap up perceived organizational support. Yeah. You know if you're a manager, any kind of leader with an organization that can shape that you really need to understand the literature related to that Google it take some classes. These are the kinds of things that will really shape the outcome especially with social loafing, which is basically you're paying for Labor, your labor, you're not getting right right. Right so you know before we get everybody kind of the wrap up on what we talked about today I do want to just interject with hey, little update on the new podcast format that we're doing. So as we mentioned in a short episode, we recently released we are now releasing more episodes. We have number one, an interview episode that releases on Tuesday mornings. We have this one with Chris and I that's going to be releasing on. Thursday mornings, and we have a really fun one that's going to be starting to release here. Next week called the agility conversation so you know starting. The Week of August. Thirty first, you'll be getting three podcasts a week from the go podcast, which is super exciting, and also just an appeal to our listeners get in touch with us. We love it here from you indigo podcast, dot com or indigo together dot com slash contact. 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"This is a CBC podcast. Hi I'm Nora Young. This is spark the netflix movie. Marriage story has received lots of recognition including six Oscar. Nominations critics and viewers are transferred by. It's realistic. Look at a couple who want to split up amicably but are swayed swayed by those around them including lawyers. This is a street fight now. This system rewards bad behavior. They end up in a vicious legal. Oh battle that might never have happened if they'd been presented with an alternative by suddenly moving to La. The coal is withholding Henry Council alienated. Take it from his father. It amounts ambush holding Jay really alienating separation. Divorce are common here in Canada. But whether you're for married or common law have kids or cats or both splitting up is never an easy thing now. Though new online services intact attack tools aim to make the process easier. They range from online mediation to APPs that help. With co-parenting the overarching goal is to keep the process of splitting up up and co-parenting out of the court system to simplify and demystify the whole process. And that's what we're exploring today You get married and there's a big party divorced and you do it alone. This is. Rebecca drew unqoute Bromwich. He's a lawyer and legal researcher affiliated with Carleton University. I conducted a research project with a grant from the Law Foundation of Ontario to work on a project relating to human dynamics and technological solutions in the co-parenting context legally separating is a difficult situation for everyone for couples with children. There is a whole other layer of complexity that can be even more fraught because of the adversarial family court system historically and even when I started practicing law in the early two thousands after parents separator to divorce the most common in way for the children of the marriage to be handled was one parent. Usually the mother tab sole custody with the legal term after that split and so the other parent usually really the father would see the child. You know maybe every second Saturday or something like that so there would be a limited amount of contact with the second parent. So that's statistically changed. In the last few years now we have the majority of cases ending with some form of shared parenting arrangements so statistically across Canada usually parents then share time with the kids and that change that statistical changes now mirrored legislation the newly reformed divorce act as of this year has changed the language from custody so this sort of possessory sorry notion that one parent is entitled to Time With the Child to idea of parenting time in the idea that both parents stay involved. Legally and practically the statistical and legislative changes from custody to co-parenting are also mirrored by technological. Change check your APP store and you'll see a whole host of apps designed to help families manage parenting and ratchet down conflict. The growing popularity of shared custody after divorce demands it XS need to communicate a lot more than before. We did a study in which we did. An online survey and also focus groups with co parents who had separated or divorced course and what we found was that most of them reported speaking to their former partner at least once a day so that means instead of a split being something that has is is sort of clean break modeled as to use that phrase in the early nineteen eighties now when parents separate often the family is still together in a way. And there's a recent isn't film called the marriage store that really. I don't know if you've seen it really kind of showcases demonstrates how the families are remaining intact in a fundamental way. Even though the romantic antic relationship isn't it so this is a very different conceptualization. A very different experience of co-parenting Then was historically the case and so. We're starting turning to see the rise of some of these APPs and other tools that kind of facilitate the CO parenting relationships. There's there's quite a range of them but overall how do they work with the aim. Here the The oldest of these APPs is still the dominant one is called our family wizard And it's it's made in Minneapolis actually started in around the year. Two thousand which is sort of the great the granddaddy of maps it predates social media predates facebook And so what these APPs largely due as they enable people to communicate in a discreet way. People often often will communicate via text message. If they're not using these APPs or via email and parents find or have found that there are some issues with that they want to keep those communications separate separate and actually one of the things that A lot of parents have said is desirable is to actually limit that communication make it's predictable structure it so that whatever was wrong. Whenever rep patterns were problematic in a relationship or whatever abuse was happening is not continued in the in the online world? Post divorce so these APPs allow for communication they often will have an AI. Hi Tool which allows pupils tones to moderate it so what it what it will do on many of them is it will. It will provide them guidance so a little light will red. If the text seems mean it'll be green of it. Seems Nice and what it will do is just provide people a reminder or is almost a teachable moment of when when you talk this way it's GonNa be something that escalades and conflict so there are numerous ways that In a very sort of pragmatic day to day way. These technologies are trying to reduce levels of conflict. They also allow for information sharing. So you can upload things like report cards Medical Information Healthcare Cards Information about where a child will be at any particular time in some of them Third Party whether it's a professional code like a therapist or some physician ten upload information or a child once they get older for those Parenting teens as I do. They have their own requests their own things. They WANNA do that. They WANNA put into that schedule So there are a number of functions. Is that these APPs have most of them are non legal so there is another category of APPs that are to do with law specifically and filling out forms and assisting law offices but that's a different genre of APPs than the Copernican APPs specifically research. And so why is it important to sort of you know contain the co-parenting Ranting Communication Separate from the texting separate from Google calendar say in in sort of high off in that way well in the context of divorce separation people go through a lot of stress and research has shown that actually it is normal in that context people to become so upset that they actually will often score as though they have mental illness. At that time. It's very upsetting very difficult. Time for parents and and high conflict levels between parents is is difficult on kits. So what containing or HIVING off those communications from regular communications can do is try to reduce the level of tension and conflict between the spouses and allow them to the extent that they can to have separate lives there are parts of their lives at that people are increasing going to have to share but the reason they separate or divorce in the first place is because they actually want to have separate lives so it's useful to have a specific place to store that information and a specific way. Hey to communicate with that former partner. That doesn't overlap with your work communications. It doesn't overlap with your personal communications and you can access it when you want. Yeah I mean you can also imagine agean a new partner not really being wild about the partner texting back and forth with the accident while you're sitting on the couch together watching Netflix. Or whatever right and so there there are all kinds of reasons. Why why people want to separate those communications out and to enable them to have you know go on with their lives and not be perpetually caught in the context of that divorce separation the you know the court proceedings in relation to divorce separation would in usually and this is not even a long One would they would often go on for about two years. And so an and the co-parenting experience let's say people divorce separate most commonly the most common time time to divorce separate is when your children are are preschoolers which means that you then have fifteen to eighteen years more of CO parenting and so that the trauma and the difficulty of divorce separation. Ah Separation is something. You don't WanNa have go on endlessly. It's a big change friends new. Oh Home Church. You adjustments in living there will be other problems hid bigger problems. They beat the two of US working together. You're listening to spark sparked spark far. This is spark CBC radio. I know that one of the things that you looked into is the way that these tools are being used. Actually actually in the court system itself. Can you explain how that's playing out. Well one of the things that we found interesting is We did a cross Canada Search Case Law specifically looking at Ontario Stereo cases. Because there are there is antero jurisdiction for non divorce cases or provincial jurisdiction and then we looked at divorce cases across Canada there are in fact hundreds of cases in which people have been ordered to use these APPs and generally speaking when the orders are made. There's a specific APP mentioned so and that's probably because one or the other party requested and that makes sense and one of the benefits of naming specific APP is that There is no uncertainty. It's very clear. There's not gonNA be argument because of a quarter generically says you will use an electronic communication there then can be particularly between people who have really problematic communication with each other a big fight about which one And so we can see why the courts are ordering them by brand name however there hasn't been a comprehensive study of what these APPs contain and as they said the most dominant now is is done. The United States and I'm not suggesting this anything particularly wrong with it. It does what it claims to do. The problem is it's not developed or designed for the Canadian legal jurisdictions and so whatever legal content might inadvertently or accidentally have and I don't want to target that up specifically essentially these APPs are developed by private developers and they are just simply the the only `gate-keeping processes. How do you put something on the APP store? Well how you put something on the APP star is. Is You pay a very small amount of money to get it out there and any vetting that happens is only for things like violence pornography and not for things like is this representative presentative accurately of legal information in Canada And and the another issue is is of course with privacy so it is interesting. How many quarters there are that? That are requiring Canadians to use these APPs. And of course that's that's going to be the tip of the iceberg or the thin edge of the wedge of people's actual usage of these acts There are there are many many any downloads of a lot of APP technologies for Co Parent Communication and in fact per capita we also looked at American case law and American downloads. Per capita happe-. We're using these technologies more heavily than the Americans are so even though they're predominantly made in the United States because it's a big market it makes a lot of sense from 'cause we're dealing with the market now now it's a private economy thing but we are actually using these things more heavily now. Why is that well? Are we just more okay with technology because we're comfortable with Oh great distances or is it because of the nature of our Divorces and separations where we have actually a very high levels of communication continued between Mhm Do you know if other professionals in this area are using it with With couples that are splitting up like mediators or therapists. Yeah for sure so I consulted with if In in in the context of project I consulted with some lawyers As well as mediators and therapists and in fact there are a lot of sort of informal not court mandated needed recommendations people make So lawyers will recommend for example. That's a cold parents. Use these APPS and it's largely a cost basis because every time of course. Where's you contact your lawyer? Who you contact your therapists? You're paying for their service and the day to day kind of routine types of communications like well. Your daughter left her shoes at my house. Or this or at school If you involve lawyers in that communication then that's going to be extremely expensive whereas it can be much more practical to have that routine day to day. Communication indication comes through On Technology good looking healthy clever. She thinks she's in love with cannon intelligent gifted certainly old enough to get married to know his own mind thinks he's in love with winning. He likes her viciousness. It's justice money doesn't realize it can't be bottled up and controlled. She likes his Romantic Moody News but she wants him to be a steady provider to he likes her maternal policies but is not prepared to give up his freedom to really enjoy them. She likes almost everything she knows about him. Lots of what she knows is in our own imagination. He's willing to promise the world but he is probably unable to give even himself. What a lovely picture bride and Groom Inc.? They might have found each other but instead they remain strangers. Each is a dream and the other's mind signed accept each other as they really are they would rather change each other to satisfy their ambitions spy doomed to fail. You're listening to spark vis spark you're listening to spurt burke from your friends at CBC radio. And I'm Noah young and today we're exploring what digital technology can do to improve the often emotional and and stressful process of separation divorce and what role they play in helping XS with kids co parent a connection. That may well last longer than the original relationship. Did I'm speaking with Rebecca Jerome Co Bromwich. She's a lawyer who's done considerable research on tech solutions for people co-parenting after separation so beyond on the specific that you talked about in terms of judges requiring people specific APPs. Are there other potential downsides. You see to to the use of some of these tools. Oh for sure I mean much as is the case with everything dystopia and we're learning about the Internet and social media The issue of privacy is is a really big one And of course it's it's an issue at the macro level and the ways that we've seen play out with things like facebook in terms of where is the data stored and how securely and particularly cularly when we're dealing with Canadian information and these are largely American Private market producers. The information is often going to be sort on American servers and for example cannabis being legal in Canada not legal in the United States. What are the potentially problematic implications of that so in terms of data security that macro level is not just cannabis but but other things Other reasons why you might not want the American government listening in on your conversations and of course. That's what's the sort of big picture you know. Nineteen eighty-four Orwellian stuff. And then there's the much simpler Kind of issues with privacy that you had sort of alluded to when you're talking about watching that Affleck's with your new partner and that issue is this is a password protected platform who has the PLA- Password and so what communications our shared with whom is is going to be an issue and of course another issues. Does the child have password as they get older. What kind of communications are they going to be able to witness and then a more concerning issue from my sort of urgent perspective? That's less common or less likely to be communists in another shoe. Essentially what these platforms are giving a recipe or a set of instructions for where to kidnap Napa Child. If there was an affair third party who wanted to know absolutely everything about your child. This is a place they could find so those are some of the negatives but overall do you see see potential benefits of these tools in terms of you know de-escalating in particular high conflict couples. But but anybody really well absolutely I mean certainly. There are large potential benefits. One of one of the reasons is because our family court systems are so overburdened and I have myself practiced in the in in the family. Court worked as council on you know an example of a case that I was involved in was when two parents were having a disagreement about a child they'd been separated for ten years but the issue was should go to summer school or in July or August and there were coming to court for that And so if we can take some of these disputes out of the court context taxed and reduce demand we can potentially reduce some of the delays. The costs of legal representation in court system Are Very High. And there's a sort sort of freakonomics tight statistic that people are more likely to end up in the former court processes. If they don't have a lawyer if they receive well yes because if people receive legal advice vice and this is sort of coming through consultations I've had with lawyers as well as with with individuals but if people receive legal advice then they see the benefits to the alternatives to initiating a formal court process. Things like mediation negotiation. A lawyer can assist with those things when a person has representation. They're able to use those less escalated measures than court process if there unrepresented and they look for help One of the free sources of help is available the Family Line Formation Center and it's located at the courthouse and the tools that are available there are they will refer people to mediation but they also have court forms and so the problem is if you know if you're a hammer everything looks like a nail and when people all are in You know in a state of mind where they feel an urgent need to deal with things. They're much more likely to go into court proceeding if they don't have representation on a a lot of people can't access legal representation for financial reasons and we've seen cuts to legal aid as well so it was already a problem. But it's a problem. It's been now exacerbated particularly on -Tario so there are tons and tons of reasons why we might WanNa take some things out of the former court process. Why did this Johnny couple wind up in court? Why did does it have to happen this way for them? Whose fault was it was wrong? Was it bad luck. It wasn't before that he gained bridegroom. These two were in love now. I do want to say there was an APP that was founded. You know about ten years ago now in Ontario that purported to do your entire divorce or separation online and that folded it failed So we shouldn't overestimate what can be done. These are still human problems. Another thing that's useful is the fact that sometimes accessibility can be improved by online technology so for example. If somebody has a visual impairment and they're able to look at documents online they can increase. This is if if they have difficulty speaking with someone whether there's a power differential or they have some other disability. They might be able to better leverage that online platform. The the online platform can be translated so there's ability for people to function in a language that they're more comfortable in There are lots of ways ways that diversity disability can potentially be accommodated through online platforms. I haven't really been fully explored by the APPS that are in existence so I think the existence accidents are actually doing some beneficial things. But I think a lot more could be done. So do you think there's potential to you know to to develop the technology in ways that actually provide better access to justice. I absolutely do. I mean that's why I was interested in this area and I initiated my grant application the first place and I got the funding from the foundation to really look at how can online might technologies be leveraged to allow for better access to justice. And I think they can the technologies that currently exist provide some benefit. There are some problems with them and so I think these APPs are not yet doing the things that maybe they could do. That would actually benefit system and I think that government maybe should think about becoming involved in uh-huh putting together some platforms. That actually do the things that we need done. As opposed to the things that you know twenty years ago Some people with an idea thought might be helpful. So can you expand on that. I mean if this does become more of a sort of a regular practice for the courts how would you like to see these kinds of tools adopted or developed. Well I mean I. It's it's sort of goes beyond on the scope of my research but certainly there's a great deal of difficulty `accessing you know the court forms. The physical locations people have to go into court for setting a motion ocean dates setting dates for case conferences. Necessity of a physical appearance in a courthouse if there could be some sort of hybridization or blend between people's communication with one another to allow for some online communication with the court. Like we do with our dentists. You know our orthodontists and and other service providers there could be some really neat and Aja cost effective ways of blending people's communications with one another together with their ability to access the court system in a much less expensive way but given in some of the potential privacy concerns for example. Do you think there's scope for the government. Say to develop some of these tools on its own rather than leaving it in the hands of third party private companies. Well I. I think it's something that would be worth exploring. Certainly I mean in speaking with people. There is some reticence about the government having these tools. I mean there are still our rights that we have whether it's a private preceding public preceding where people want to not put information before the court that is not compelled. You know Not Everything people say to one another needs to be brought into court as evidence having said that the AH printouts or or reports from existing ups can be brought into court as evidence so there's Not necessarily a good basis for those concerts. Eight eight I think it would be useful for government to explore possibilities and certainly for Canadian private enterprise surprise to explore possibilities for developing online technologies that are specifically tailored to our market That make sense in our legal jurisdiction because again in the United States. We're for a lot of these APPs. Come from divorce and separation are dealt with very differently and the idea of parental rights is a thing there whereas it isn't we don't have proprietary interest in our kids here so I think Canada should be getting engaged in this more and and government should think about it in just finally Rebecca. I know I know that. Your research has focused on human dynamics and technological solutions. Do you think that tech can solve these interpersonal problem solve in quotation marks or does the couple that splitting up me to already sort of have good communications basis for this to actually work one of the things that people said when I spoke to them is is one of the challenges is to get both partners former partners to engage in the use of the tech. It's often the case that one one former partner is more willing or more able more tech savvy or more engaged aged in parenting in general. So I think there there is a kind of threshold where the former partners need to have some level of ability to communicate with one another in order for something this this type of voluntary communication system to work. It's a bit like a fitbit or something like that where you actually have to be willing to use it. It's only as good as the data. Entry is going to be so so. It's not a substitute for people dealing with some of the emotional psychological and legal issues that arise when they when they separate or divorce but as I said co-parenting funding goes on for a long time. It can be you know. Twenty years post separation or divorce and so I definitely think there's an important utility for these technologies particularly after that sort of acute acute phase of the separation or divorce is is over on your into that long-term co-parenting Situation Rebecca. Thanks so much for your insights on this okay. Great well thank you very much. Rebecca Jerem Co Bromwich is a lawyer and legal researcher in Ottawa. For many people who suddenly find themselves facing separation. The entire process is a mystery. You need a lawyer. What do you even do i? Surprisingly in this age of information everywhere. Clear answers are hard to find. We'll talk talked to the guy behind a new family law portal that aims to make it easy for folks to learn their rights and responsibilities. And I'm Noah young this is spark from CBC radio. Today we're talking about couples going through separation or for divorce and the way technology has changed. How people adjudicate communicate and Co parent? Even if you haven't been through yourself we all know people who have one of the big issues. People face is how to get started. Even if you've never been through it the separation process can be a blocks. Should I get a lawyer. I get a lawyer if we you get a mediator. Do we still need a lawyer. Who how do we decide how long the kids will stay with each of which I just find a template so we can write our own parenting? Can we just make up our own parenting plan. We've and decide aside. Just WanNa do this fairly simply and have to go to Ireland. We have to go to court. Do we have to go to court. And you're trying to figure all this out in the midst of a very very stressful period. What if there was a central place online that helped inform people? The portal is there to give people their rights their responsibilities some some sense of the decisions. They're going to have to make all for free so that it can get started on this very challenging process. This is Chris Bentley. He's the managing director of the legal innovations own at Ryerson University. He's also a former attorney general in Ontario Awhile back. The zone decided to see if they could innovate in the area of family law in Ontario make separation and divorce a little less bewildering so with funding from the Law Foundation and the Avant Foundation. They created the family law portal. It's a a website that walks you through the main issue face in separation and divorce. Why is it important to try to keep people out from just saying okay? Well what I do is call a lawyer lawyer and I go into the whole court system. Why is it important to try and keep people out of that if possible well? Most people acknowledge that the court system is not the right place for most family disputes beauts. Except maybe at the very end That when you go to court. It's inherently confrontational. We know the court system is very slow. It's enormously complex blacks. It's expensive for most. And that's why most people don't have lawyers. It's also confrontational when you air your issues in public through documents it. It doesn't make most difficult situations any better. And so the idea that was set out by the Access Committee in its two thousand thirteen report report. That's the chief. Justice Mclaughlin Committee on improving access to justice in family and civil. The idea was to build an early resolution system which begins with information formation. That's what the portal is and then triage systems narrowing people's options choices helping them focus their limited time and energy energy on what will really make a difference to them. The portal basically lead you through a series of questions to figure out what your situation is things like your income Parenting property spousal support. And you can do it anonymously. The system generates tips and information that come from financial and family only law experts the goal. Is You come out of the process with documents. That give you accurate information that can help you. Focus your attention and the idea is that although it's anonymous information you could either take it to a professional such as a lawyer or you could use it as the base for identifying the information required for further steps proceedings. But it's not actually legal advice as such. So that's an interesting question because it's an interesting distinction legal advice under our lawyer. Monopoly and Ontario has to be provided by a lawyer. Okay and this you can do without sitting with a lawyer. So it's what's known as legal information and so is this the idea that it's Like a replacement for the other things that a person might do the order. This is a supplement to then going to see a lawyer or to mediation or something. This is a place to start so that you're not sitting in a lawyer's Office for two hours and they're asking being the same questions and giving you the same general information because that's usually costly shark so that you're not guessing by simply asking friends or acquaintances acquaintances About these issues. You're getting a good solid base of advice to help you. Make your informed choices and decisions later on. There's lots of choices still to be made and the the end of the portal. It's called plan. What's next it helps list? Some of the decisions and choices is you're GONNA have to make and some of the free services that are out there. It seems like this move is part of an overall move in de escalating the stress US and cost of separation divorce and co-parenting you know for example. We're seeing mediation therapists coaching around some of these areas. Can you speak be to that. Is that a phenomenon that you've observed more generally you're absolutely right it's it's at the heart of what so many people have recommended for family law proceedings for years news and there are many free mediation services that most people don't know anything about or they don't use them when they could this idea of de escalating about focusing first of all on children secondly on the life that you're gonNA lead in the future and try to take the hurt and the pain out of the conversation you have to have with your partner. That's an essential element to a better resolution to family issues. So what the experts parts of recommended. What the access report has recommended is that we start to build a system which informs people helps let them know what their options are and then gives gives them alternatives to resolve their issues in ways that are as involve as little confrontation as possible? The information portal the family. Camila portal is the first step. We're going to participate in building more. The sad part is that there isn't an organized or structured approach. And when you think the number of people that go through separation divorce had these issues every year there should be. Is this the family law Does it apply only to people who are resident in on territory. Is it relevant for people all across the country right now. We focused it on Ontario separations and divorces. The experts. Tell me it wouldn't take much to make it more generally applicable. And that's something we're looking at. We'll never know when the sky is going to fall on from this day forward into cold. They are going to be so happy to give young this time. On spark we're looking at the challenges of separation divorce and co-parenting and whether new technologies and new thinking might reduce the stress and cost of ending a relationship not to mention freeing up the court system. I guess right now is Chris Bentley managing director of the Legal Innovation Zone at Ryerson University. We've we've been talking about the family law portal. It's a website designed to help people who suddenly find themselves facing separation. Get up to speed on their rights and responsibilities as you mentioned I understand that. The Family Law Party was part of this. Larger effort at the innovations owned around innovating in Ontario Family Law. So what's the overarching goal. Oh and what the next steps because so many people aren't getting the justice. They need. We think they should have more choice. Technology allows you to have more choice in different ways So start with the free information portal. we're are spearheading the development of a triage system or no your options and start making choices races system that would be not free but very inexpensive and again generally available through web conferencing for example simple We're also part of group. That's trying to put together services not just legal services because most of family lies in about the law. It's about something else whether it's the conflict between the spouses. An issue with the child not enough money addictions mental health. You can think of all those different issues. People need to be connected up two other services and not just legal services so where is that bank of services and how do you access them putting all this information in the hands of people gives them more choice. Choice allows them to make the decisions that are best for them because everyone's different and in our general view. Is that if you give people choices. They're going to make the choice. That is best for them. Most of the time they have the right to make the choice they have a right to justice and this is a way the of fulfilling that right the specifics of the family law portal. What role do you think digital technologies can play improving people's access to justice within the family law context context Paul? I think it's got a great future. Some of the things that you mentioned mediation for example doesn't have to be done necessarily face to face it could be done through through web conferencing And what are the advantages of doing things through web conferencing. It means that the mom with children doesn't have to travel two hours to replace. It means the father doesn't have to necessarily go during office hours. You can set things up online. After hours. Online dispute dispute resolution. That's been tried in a number of different areas and that may be coming to family law. Accessing information is certainly available now and will increasingly Singley B. available online. We can now File a joint online divorces in Ontario. But where's the information for people before they file the joint divorce before you fill out the forms. Are you giving up any rights. Do you know what your rights are Had you just agreed to do this because it looks simple you can do so much now. With technology in life generally just apply the lessons of life generally to the law and you will make light years. Here's a progress instantly. A friend of mine Does quite a bit of couple's counseling and co-parenting Counseling and she says it's it's amazing. How many how much people actually don't WanNa be in the same room any longer part of our general move towards virtual communication? They prefer to have that being virtual as well you know in. The law has had an aversion to technology. The we've we've resisted every bit of technology as a profession. We are far behind so many others when it comes to technology part of that is that we are era profession of tradition. We look to the past for lessons rather than the future part of it is. Let's be blunt this belief that we do things in a special way the and technology can change that but the world has changed people's needs have changed their willingness to spend a lot of if money on face to face meetings often get delayed is not what it might have been in. Most people aren't using lawyers. They aren't using the traditional in the way it was designed so it's time to use technology to trust people and to expand our vision of how they get justice. And if we do that more people are we're GONNA get justice and yet it's I understand in family. Law Context at very high percentage of people who end up in the court system are not actually represented by lawyers at all. Well you're absolutely right. It's because of the cost the complexity the time it takes for the people who aren't represented in court there would be a certain percentage edge of people who are not prepared to enforce their rights simply because the system is to bewildering to them. We can use technology and efforts efforts to simplify the system to provide those individuals with access. We can use technology as a replacement for some of what now goes is into the court We can use technology ultimately to replace completely what goes in the court in many ways in the future. The the wonder is that those in charge of the process and the courts those in charge of the legal profession haven't seen the opportunities that that new methods and technology present and decided to change things themselves but they haven't so far to a great degree and so we're going to have to do this without their assistance. Chris thanks so much for your thoughts on this. Thank you very much Chris. Bentley is managing director of the Legal Innovation Zone at Ryerson University. We'll put a linked to the portal on our website. CBC DOT CA slash spark. If you know someone who's in the midst of separation or divorce or working co parenting relationships you can share this episode sewed them again at CBC dot ca slash spark a person's family law. Paul is one of many tools designed to make the process of ending a relationship Russian ship more transparent for example Canadian lawyer Catherine Hendrix is about to launch online divorce forms. Which is pretty much what you imagine? It is their or American sites. Like it's over easy that aim to streamline the process but beyond technology actual human beings are opening up the process making it more collaborative collaborative and less adversarial. And that's where we go next time doesn't stand still and marriage is far more than loving living together and enjoying companionship. It's making decisions together. And we had to learn to plan this partners even with the online tools and APPs that are increasingly available separation and divorce ultimately does have to involve some sort of agreement about how the people involved proceed with their lives especially when children are concerned. Jenny Freeland is a Toronto lawyer. Who Specializes in mediation and she relies on? What might be considered an old fashioned concept? Actually we get the people involved to talk to each other. My way is I want people to come to me and air out all their garbage if they need to and use the the process for the longer term goal of getting along because it's remarkable. How many people who think that they need to fight or the rhetoric of divorce that surrounds all of us encourages people to fight people's advisors their moms their sisters their girlfriends? They the new girlfriend people are are all advising them sometimes to fight or wondering thinking. It's so anomalous if they're not fighting and it's very difficult I think for people to know that they don't need to to fight and to fast forward thirty five years when they're when they don't Wanna be fighting over who gets to hold the grandchild. I write you know or the Bar Mitzvah or the wedding and the fight you. We all have those stories of people who they're not sure whether the father should be invited to the wedding and Oh Jenny's process along with another approach called collaborative practice is way to try to get people past the emotional issues that tend to envelop separating couples. She helps them work kind of framework that will be effective in the long term. You maybe have to backtrack back to the days in the seventies or when people were litigating the the process was to litigate. You wanted to separate you got your lawyer and you went to court and generally you had trials and slowly but surely people will realize that that infused a ton of conflict obviously left the children bereft of one or the other parent sometimes and collaborative. It was an I. I'm not an expert. I'm not a collaborative lawyer. It takes a certain designation and then the process requires the clients and the parties hardee's to sign onto a process that keeps them out of court. They're working jointly with their collaborative lawyers. And the caveat here is that if they decide sorry. I don't WanNa do this anymore. And they want to litigate. Decant litigate with those lawyers okay. There's something so wrong with our system that we have to have a thing called collaborative Loy Lori rather than just all of us working collaboratively. Yeah and so for the mediation route. Does that guarantee that you're not going to end up in a quarter does. Oh no no no for mediation you can always And again my process might be different because for me the clients I get. It's not only that they don't WanNA fight. They can't even find them having enough money or energy to fight and they usually come to me at least thinking king that they want to get along even if they aren't getting along or even if there's items that make them not going along they still come men with the notion usually that they're capable of getting along and that they want to get along so So for me my clients Ted never to go to court. I've I've never had mediation clients that end up In court but some do I mean they don't WanNa pay. Let's let's say you've got two of the big time lawyers and you're paying a lot of money and you've already paid to get your briefs prepared and your financial statements prepared payer and if you own a lot of property and have a major assets or you're a rich person divorcing you've taken a lot of time in that's a lot of effort and then you've gone for your mediation mediation prepared and you're not settling because and remember. This is a law of emotional. Sure issues that prevent people from settling and a- and if you don't settle you don't necessarily want to pay one of the more expensive mediators another six or nine grand a day just is to keep it going. Although anecdotally again I do hear that many people do well. Let's have another mediation. Let's have another mediation and and so for there's some critique is that it's still keeps the process going but for others it works fine but no it doesn't keep your eye to court. Although most mediators will have an agreement that makes people sign that they're not gonNA involve the mediator and the mediators notes and the whole process is supposed to be closed usually unless the everyone agrees otherwise. So you're not supposed to say in in court. Hey in mediation you said you were willing to ABC. And so are there any other downsides to the collaborative law approach to mediation or are there cases. Where you ain't no you know what you actually just need to go to court a again? I can only speak for my own process. where I you you know? Clients do get to be at an impasse. And that's where I'm a I. I said that I strongly encourage lawyers to participate in the background. And of course they're welcome to come as well but that's where I I will often say guys. You're you're an impasse. You have to get your lawyers involved or or just get off this train and litigated I want to say something about litigation though is a concept that collaborative. You're happy mediation. You're getting along. And and and if you're in conflict you go to court and neither of those characterizations are true and so certainly again for my process. I don't like to say say mediation is not just for people. Get along I find. It's a it's a place to exhaust your hatred in some ways and not have to pay your lawyers to exhaust it for you Right so yeah. I've read that we're seeing law firms erecting clients to mediators or therapist to deal with the emotional aspects. or in some cases we'll even have them I'm on retainer because that's a lawyer you're maybe not necessarily best situated to give that kind of like emotional mental health of side opposites absolutely correct correct in and I often will recommend and have my roster of people that I recommend and and certainly that's something that helped me back in the day and and my expose one of the things we went through is we both grieved the loss of the relationship because even if one person is leaving it doesn't mean that they aren't grieving grieving and often in cases where there's an affair or the it's a movement away because of a new relationship. There's no room ever for that person who's leaving to Greb. They're only ever blamed and it's all their fault and there's lots of again the rhetoric says you're leaving this as you buy. Grieving together can in can help. I think preserve the idea of family And so going to counseling where you're also one party is often still still hoping to reconcile so in large number of my clients. One is really hoping still to reconcile and one is really out. And that's the thing that can be addressed that sort. It preserves split unlike a minor tiny amount of hope for the person who wants to reconcile but also preserves the other person's clear entitlement to leave the relationship And if you go to counseling Counselors most family counselors understand that it might be one or the other and can work and you see in. Counseling can help you separate separate amicably just as much as it can help you stay together and so I do appreciate counseling. There's been a whole lot of new technology coming into the the divorce co-parenting king space from APPS that help people co parent in moving much of the separation and divorce negotiations away from face to face meetings to even purely online online mediation. So how much of that are you seeing now. The rise of these tools to to facilitate the process. See again even your question with all due respect implies the the most people are fighting in the sense. That and you're right like there are tools for people can't stand talking to each other. Who would never pick up the phone and say hey? Can you come a little early. Yeah so clearly the healthiest way to preserve everything especially where the kids are. Involved is actually just be a polite human woman who is courteous to the other parent and who's flexible just like you probably were when you were married. If you especially if you're dealing with two working parents and you suddenly need to stay late at the office and in the old days you would just raise that and the other partner would help out. And but when if you're high conflicts you you know then do you need assistance or your litigating. Just even that issue in ten minutes late and you're supposed to be there so you shouldn't eat it. That's my first response is you shouldn't need any special show APP other than what your regular APP is for communicating. But there are. There's a our family wizard or two houses and some many of those rose R. exist more because they'll preserve the communication so it also anticipates litigation and so you'll have our family wizard for example. You can't possibly mess with what you've written insent okay and so. It preserves the record whereas emails. You know you could go in and fight and produce right Either it's just give them a central repository so that you can deal with finances or if you deal with their the thing called section seven extraordinary expenses. If you're WHO's GonNa pay for the volley ball in the piano and and and usually the processes you give receipt the to the person and then they have to pay so having a repository for the receipts and the an accounting. That's certainly a useful level and that's useful for people who aren't even fighting but even with the couples like if there's a couple I mean we think about the possibility. These tools used to de-escalate eight conflict. But it is possible that they actually can be escalated. Gone if you're texting each other and you're being you know Triggered in some sense by by these well. Well I think so true for sure. And there's and there's tips you know there's a thing I think called biff. Brief informative firm and friendly and you will know people bull. Everyone knows this person who shows you. Look what my husband road or something and then their responses fifteen paragraphs and then you know and and so yeah I think it can perpetuate conflict. I think super high conflict people can be helped by just taking putting it in their own special forum and there's definitely APPs APPs for that there is definitely scheduling ABS- most people who fight over custody and access fight over. WHO's keeping the kids all the time but really if you're flexible it's more? I need this time off. I'm going here. We never care. who takes the kids anywhere? If I WANNA we if I want to if I have the opportunity means you take them somewhere where he does neither is ever GonNa dispute that. There's no schedule. Do you think that some of those technologies do have a place for some couples for sure but nothing. Nothing keeps people from conflict if they want to be driven by conflict. I don't think I don't think there's any APP that reduces the conflict custody custody is only over the major decisions like health education religion. It doesn't do anything about whether the kid is going. It'd be picked up at five after four or five to four or whether their hair's going to get cut for the Bar Mitzvah like it doesn't diffuse any of the conflict and in my view the only way to diffuse the conflict is for all of us to I want to say almost shaming people who want to still act with conflict. So when you have of your friend that says I can't believe my husband or my y you know the belittling of of one parent or their ability to parent or what. They've done wrong for the kids. It's it's just so bad for the kids and so I think people have to be reminded of that and and I don't mean the world's worst cases like view have severe. Are you know drug or alcohol violence issues. Then obviously you don't need to be Assuming COEQUAL CAPACITY TO BE CO parenting But in many cases the more you can just value both parties and reduce conflict. The better it is for kids the outcome for kids with high conflict families it's horrifying and and you've got to support each other because nobody is more important than the person you had kids with and new girlfriends in new boyfriends have to see see that too and not get all jealous just because the parents has a relationship so I don't think any APP is going to help anyone. I think all of us by just you know generational we change our attitudes and if it becomes sort of less and less okay to be all upset because your devotion org to make your divorce or separation be the defining feature of your entire existence rather than understanding my fifteen year old kid. We you very socialist. Going about twenty kids can be over at one time and I think eighteen of those twenty have divorced parents or separated parents. So it's a thing. And if view can do it nicely and cooperatively it can be fantastic. So do you think that with the rise of all of these alternative Approaches like mediation and Collaborative Collaborative Law and coaching around co-parenting. Do you foresee a time when nobody ends up facing off in court. No because I think that that's like you know. Why does Romeo let me on? Juliet still apply for Hundred Years later. I don't think that you know since the beginning of the time every poem and Story and movie and Song tells you that you should be deeply in love etcetera etcetera. Enter the whole dysfunction of our society which takes a certain amount of education insight to get past us and we all know those people and May in fact be ourselves those people or have been in the past until there's more awareness of that. I think there will always be that drama. The dramatic side of it and as long as that dramatic side is there than that conflict is there. Because that's how many people he'll there's aspects of our of our tendencies. I think that sublimate our grief into a conflict conflict exactly there are people who have been fighting waiting for twenty years and still saying what a cad their ex was even though he or she was into cad the day before they did whatever they did girl. Yeah some things. Technology can't fix. Thanks so much for your insights on this Jenny exactly Jenny Freedland is a lawyer and mediator in Toronto. You've been listening to spark the show was made by Michelle. Parisi Adam Killick Sarah and me nor young and by Rebecca. Did your own co Bromwich. Chris Bentley Jenny freeland go to CBC DOT CA slash spark to subscribe to the podcast or download the free CBC listen APP and you can find us on mm facebook and twitter we are spark CBC. I'm Nora young talk to you soon. For for more C._B._C.. PODCASTS GO C._B._C.. Dot C._A. Slash podcasts.

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Part 2: Joe Pantoliano on The Sopranos and Overcoming Depression, plus The News (ACS Oct 30)

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Part 2: Joe Pantoliano on The Sopranos and Overcoming Depression, plus The News (ACS Oct 30)

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It's a calling card a place for those who understand that the noblest pleasure in life is living at wealth head to run man USAA, dot com for yourself or the man in your life and get ready because this Christmas Adam Corolla brings you renaissance man. Joe Pantoliano is joined us the movie's called from the Vine it's available now on digital and video on demand I've only watched a trailer and the trailer looks great, and here's how you know it's good. It's currently eighty five percent with the critics on rotten tomatoes, which I've made a few movies. It is hard to get to eighty five and eighty with the audience. So fresh all the way around, of course Joe, we talked about bad boys one two and three Matrix Memento midnight run which I love the fugitive goonies risky business so much and such a long career good to speak to you. Thank you Adam. Thank you for having me. First off, I just heard a, you were hit by car in May and had a kind of kind of bad accident. So how's your health? I was hit by an SUV. and. It was hit by an SUV. I was waiting to cross the street. and. I got messed up I'm head trauma broke a bone eardrum. So now I I need a hearing aid I use a hearing aid for this and. You know. Like today it's raining so I can feel it in my knee and my back. And I ten stitches in my head top of my head. So My leading man career might be at an end. Yeah you gotta I'm doing. Okay. Thank you. You're going to get to keep your shirt on for a change when you make a movie now. So, Joe we'll talk about the curvy, but I've first off as I'm looking back on your career. I. Realize you've always been in a movie since I since I sort of remember paying attention. What was when did you start? What Year did you start? Well, you know I. Show that graduated high school in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy and my last year high school I I wrote an acting school in New York. And I mean technically started in one thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, I. Think I. got my Sag Card in nineteen seventy two. So I remember the union seventy two. And I got. So. But that was the first job I got was nineteen seventy-two. If, that counts. As an actor with either when did you start? When did you start making a living and so that didn't happen until nine, hundred, seventy, nine. So. I I I think the first eight years I made. A gross amount of seven thousand dollars over an eight year period. But Went on to do some of the most memorable roles in these these films I mean like I said, I was midnight run as one of my favorite films that people don't talk enough about and you kind of your feel like your roles and and then the Sopranos obviously but you're your roles are great because. You show up sorta steel scene, and then we don't see for a couple of scenes and then you come back and steal another scene, and then we don't see a for a few scenes. That's the way to do it to co go up pinch hit hit a home run and then go back in and hang hang back. And I feel like as I'm thinking about your career and I'm thinking about those roles like. A risky business where you are carmine the pimp what pimp were you now know Guido Camp? Just show up. E-. Oh. The killer. Yes. Just kick the shit out of one scene and then go and then we don't see it for twenty minutes and then back you know what? I mean so. I in. Is that was it always were you always planning? We're always planning. Do you have a choice between going? I'm going to be leading man or I'm going to be a character actor or does that just? Is that just dictated to you? Well. It's a matter of what you say yes. To and I and I remember I mean my first really important job was the remake from hitter return Ity for NBC was a six hour mini series and I got. To reprieve, the role that re establish Frank Sinatra And that was a big. Big To do for for me. but then I didn't work for twelve months and I was going up for all of these. Back. In those days you know this is. The late seventies I was going up for all of these these parts. and. And getting in the room but losing out to. Other guys and and I thought you know the, why do I keep trying to do this or try to find a niche? And in supporting roles and becoming the best character actor, I can be because I wanted Chevy didn't want WANNA eight year career four year career. I wanted to be able to have a thirty year career and and so the idea was to be to diversify my work and go from different types of characters in different genres and and how do I. Continue. To be noticed. How do I? How do I become take these moments in and make them memorable? That was always. What do I do in order to able to stand out without? Violating the the attention of the filmmakers you know to be able to be unique and different and unusual, but also to service the material. Gina. We're saying before the first thing I remember seeing you and was La Bamba when I was little and I truly mean this and I don't think anyone's going to going to disagree you look exactly the same. So whatever you're doing a bottle it so we can. We can buy it I. AM maybe I'm sure you've heard this a lot. Of An lying, maybe the biggest soprano fan on the planet were on our seventeenth now full series, Ralph. Silverado one of the greatest characters of all time very obviously twisted and demented but a good earner and good at job and had a little bit of a little bit of Pathos, you know came to his son and I have a couple of questions about that that I've been dying to ask you one question that's almost broken up my relationship multiple times in three years I have to know this might be my only chance to ever ask you do you think Ralph. killed. The horse. Didn't kill the horse that was the whole I think that was the whole arc indication if you if you study what what David Chase was doing is introduced Ralph character with his obsession of gladiator. Yes. if you remember he, he's the new gladiator. Well all of it member. He gets all he gets really doubted shape when it went flat tops at age it rows right Kirk Douglas in these. The honor. Of. A gladiator fighting to the death. So if you take that first team when you meet him, he's fighting to the death and then you know and then he kills he kills it young girl. Yes. and then. And and he gets promoted But then then the horse you know Tony is is incensed that he thinks he killed this horse and and and you know so okay, he's you know he wants to punish him over a horse but when it was a young. Teenage young girl that's a that's a whole of the story. And also the fact that they fight to the death it wasn't a mob head something that Tony Cover up. To men trying to kill each other like like gladiators. So. I'd ask David, because it was an accident. You know he was he was just really All bent out of shape about son being a key dying it sounds fine. And probably did die. John. This is so incredibly satisfying I can't thank you enough I have a completely different question here. I'm reading here. Your Dad was a hearse driver. Your mom was a bookie in a seamstress in your step father spent twenty one years in prison for drug trafficking. So. Let's unpack that a little bit. You're right. Your Dad drove a hearse back when that was kind of a job, right? Like funeral. Well, my my dad my dad had a heart attack when he was fifty and. It, besides he couldn't work anymore. So he was collecting social security, you know pension from the military. but he was a former factory in hoboken and so he was working at the funeral collar in hoboken. and. He did everything he picked up bodies he he was a pallbearer and they they pay they pay him cash by that my cousin Florio who was my third cousin? Of My. Mother's third cousins so Forth. Because it turns out. that. He was actually my biological father. So I'm really my my last name rarely isn't Pantoliano I mean it is it is legally but my my father dominic. A new that Florio was the biological father and he he pitched hit for for him. And my mom, you know we will really poor we we lived in the projects we lived on welfare and and she ran numbers down the Jersey Shore Brand New Jersey in order to be able to. So, that we could have a summer vacation. She would work for the bookies and she was in charge at three or four the boarding houses on that block in long branch But she she was a seamstress she most of the life we would do piece work she put me to work I was working at nine ten years old where she would cut patches for United States military. Sergeant Patches and Corporal Patches was piecework. You take a big role of it and you would cut the piece work and then. Each piece twelve to a dozen and she would get. Five cents or Penny Penny A. Patch the the patchwork discussion is all well and good, but I want to get back to the illegitimate child part. Because feel more meat on that bone. So, let's can we unpack that how does that? How does that my sister my sister and I You know there was always the rumor if you read my first WHO's sorry. Now I talked about that because my mother told me when when she left my father, she said, you know flurries your father not monk but but then she got I guess she was guilty she felt guilty. So she took it back. It was like. Fade, away. Your. Brother. Your Dad. Right I father everybody knew everybody knew except me my aunts no. My cousins new and when flurry came on he, he moved him with it was you know? The five of us and then. What happened was years later. 'cause I put it in the book. My sister was upset with me. So I was staying with Chris Maloney and and I was doing a show in Hollywood and and he said, what have you heard about this twenty three and may do the twenty three and me? You know you can prove that you. You're biologically have the same father never that'll be that, and so I did I, sent her the kit. It comes back and we don't share the same biological father. Oh. Boy. How long ago Oh was sixty years old sixty, one years old. Seven years ago or eight years ago. How that, how does your sister how that affect your sister? She was angry at my mom you know it's like, why didn't they tell us? It's like you know we we are so. Encapsulated as a as a as an American culture where we somewhat self centered, I was talking to someone today. About, the about the movie you know Italian American group and it's like I'm not Italian American. I'm an American of Italian descent I. I don't speak the language I've been to Italy but. I if I'm tribal at all from hoboken. Jersey kids and so. The idea that you know our parents were young. Parents had a life. If it was a world war going on, it was a lot of stuff going on. Then you know I mean it was it was over by the time I rolled in What you know, it's interesting. What what happened within your biological dad going off to prison for twenty one years. Well, he didn't go to twenty one it was a cumulative. The last time you went away. I. I remember I recall going to the federal holding facility. In in New York City on West Street to say goodbye to him the Plexiglas and he had he had the number on his shirt and picked up the phone and said goodbye cousin Flory you know. It was. I guess it's like having a pet rat. Christmas it was a big deal because in my neighborhood if you had you had wiseguys connections, it was almost like being a celebrity so. We send provolone Salami Super Saad, and we'd mail it to to Atlanta for Christmas and Easter we would send Easter Easter baskets and it was a big deal when I was doing bad boys for life I actually drove to Atlanta Federal Penitentiary To see where he lived those seven years. And it was it was an eerie feeling. The the whole idea my first book who sorry now is the idea that here is a guy who was a criminal who did really. Bad things, he was an outlaw. But he came home and he was he was the the the mentor and Father to me the bad guy who did really good things for for a young boy. You you call them cousin Florio but you knew you knew he was your biological dad when he was going away to prison, right? No, no, no, no no. No that's the whole roof is that I'd go to see aunt lizzie his mom. My mom would take me every weekend at lizzy well turns out she was my grandmother. Boy Man his mom house that white Wednesday white privilege GONNA start kicking. It's crazy when you hear everyone's story isn't it like? and. It's a lot of this happened. This happened a lot happens a lot now I guess it happens more than than it does now because You know people people tend to aboard reveal you have a unwanted pregnancy now and then there was no way to know unless. Same is for the same knows. My mother had brown eyes. My Father Dominic had Brown eyes and I had Blue Eyes in Florida has blue eyes interest. Yeah and my daughter Isabella because his name was Floreal. Isabela. Well. Why name? My daughter Isabella after him in honor of him. So she's really Isabella Isabella. It's so interesting. That, I'm just sort of looking at it through today's societal is like. We're living in a time where a lot of young people really don't have problems, but they're manufacturing some grief and some grievance and some problems, and then you to all the people that really did have problems but they didn't act like the had problems there were just young and that was life. It's kind of an interesting thing as I as I, think about because I think about my own fourteen year old twins, they don't have problems not the kind of problems that we had but they will make a problem out of nothing because that's what they do when you don't really give someone problems. They manufacture problems when I grow up real problems joe had real problems but we never really thought about it because we're living it like. When when your life is a problem when your life is a struggle, you're just involved with the struggle. You know if you're being chased by bear, you're not sitting around reflecting on being chased by bear just running. You know your life is just you have to go here to find that after eat over there you have to stay there where we're gonna go kind of thing where's the money you're so in the middle of it that you don't really experience it and the people that don't really have problems are probably experiencing. Their prompts to a greater degree because it's just sitting there and it's all stewing in their in their head. Every seat had something we had something that these kids don't have we had we had stickball we stoop ball we had touched football. I would come home from school. We go back to the playground and you would play until six o'clock. So we will always moving we were always sweating we were always. Are Fighting and and These kids are just. They're not burning any any calories the not producing does it mean Serotonin and and you get really anxious when you're just looking at the computer screen. All the time I mean I. I was looking at the new a new phone right and it's like, why do I need a phone because nobody ever calls me I don't talk on it anymore. So can I just get a computer I was talking to the provider ATS look don't get a discount because I never talked to anybody. And they're like you're talking to me Sir. Yeah data that that physicality thing is interesting because obviously everyone knows that exercise and movement and sweat like how important it is for your brain and your peace of mind and your your disposition emotionally. But you know when we were being physical sort of physical with a purpose if you're playing pickup football or you're playing stickball or you're playing one of the many games that we would play after school, it was not only did you get the sweat in the movement in the energy but you're playing a game you weren't on a treadmill or a rowing machine or some sorta synthesized exercise machine staring at a computer screen, you're physically engaged so it was like. It was two parts. It was you got the physically. But that's the thing is we were playing. We were having fun. Getting exercise as a benefit of a we didn't go. You know we were just having fun. Now everybody's having fun playing these games or watching other people play games about that. My daughter does that all the time and she walks around the house like this. He's got this thing on all the time but the has got the computer and then she's got the phone she's got like double double barrel right and. Yeah and also there was another part to the physicality which is work was physical and then and then you had some sense of accomplishment had to stack a bunch of wood and move it to ever side or just physically moving things you've got the physical part, but then you also got the sort of satisfaction of that the scariest video games as I think of them now are those build a village ones where it's like we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA we're gonNA declare so and so's Amarah, and then we're going to build a river and it's like you're synthesizing building community. Alone of pants around your ankles and your one bedroom apartment. That's. That's scary now. I think we think the silence means that everyone agrees. No push back there Brian I know you saw the movie Brian's our movie critic. He's our film buff, and so I think I'll give Brian a chance to talk about. From. The. Vine. Didn't much care for. Say. All right. Any other family person prison. No idea. I saw the movie I liked it a lot. I'm so it's rare Joan. I'm very glad to be able to say my favorite part of the movie was your performance. It's rare natural come in, and that's my favorite part of the movie. I really enjoyed it I on the fan of yours of the. And Just about every movie I can think of you in. Supporting actor or whatever you're very bombastic. Personality colorful and this movie Adams Joking about the leading man status. You're the leading man you care the movie you're in every scene but maybe two. And you're very subdued in a sense you talk about your approach to do the character and how it was a conscious choice to be very different than what people are used to or to just kind of work out that way. You know absolutely conscious I. When you meet me In Toronto I'm working. Co. This before I lose my job. So I wanted I wanted to see an evolution of what he was like. and then what it? What it does to him and how he evolves and Kinda finds his youth. Usefulness, again, being being back there and. Finding love that was lost that he didn't even know there was a loss love with his wife and he he was so busy and I think that's that's an American thing. The idea of working hard making money and and then you'll be happy and this Guy Kinda hit the precipice had everything he thought was going to make them happy and he'd lost it all. and. So he he kind of has a mental breakdown in winds up back in the country that he was born in. He's lost his native language. He can't even hardly speak Italian, any longer So I, I wanted to make a statement about the American way with when I work in Canada I'm always impressed on how they. They, encourage. The immigrants that come to their country to to maintain their national natural. Languages. So you have crossed wasted nationhood, Greek neighborhoods, Italian neighborhoods, and they all these clusters. But they're all bilingual. So a lot of the actors in Italy were Canadian but they all spoke Italian. I know that Hey a show. I'm reading here and talk about. Being clinically depressed for like a like a decade What did you do? To get yourself out of that, what what are some of the I think a lot of people listening are probably. Pretty depressed about now with all the lockdowns and society and all that's going on how how did you? How did you break out of that? Well For I found out that I was sick. Drugs Women. Most suicide. Escaping the pain in any way that I could, and then once I was able to get into treatment and find help. The idea of investigating. Where this trauma it's in my case and most cases, it's the traumatic events that happened to you in in your lesson period that. Go unresolved an untreated, and they just multiply and and so you know. Joe Biden said this. A week ago he he said that you know alcoholism and drug addiction doesn't call 'cause mental illness mental illness causes alcoholism and drug addiction I just wanted the pain to go away and I discovered Viking in you know painkillers and they put up a bouncing my step and then when I was taking You know fifteen a day and they that feeling eluded me that's the problem with drugs. It said lose you. It doesn't. You don't get that feeling any longer, and then you're just sick if you don't take them. So you it's got a hold of you twice. In this long recovery period, I became really fascinated by. Finding out that I only thought that that was very unusual to feel the sadness that lived inside of me. I didn't know other people felt that way. So I was ashamed of this feeling I thought that I was the only one that felt this way and so when I discovered that it was disease I felt like I hit the lottery. And and then recovering and treating it and finding out ways to treat it like we talked about exercise and all all of this behavioral choices I was able to to really get myself back and now when when the feeling comes when the depression comes, I can investigate and see if it's situational. 'cause when it happened to me, I was sitting on top of the world all a great job I just want a bunch of awards and and I was like, well, Gee I. All of the things that I thought was going to make this go away. It's still here now with a vengeance. What's wrong with me shame on you So I think people. The best advice. is to continue to talk about it especially now with the ad that the of of all of this did the electron zoom calling that you can. You can talk to people. They're all these wonderful twelve step programs for depression for anxiety for alcoholism drug addiction, and you really can be anonymous. You don't have to tell them who you are. They can have to see who you are, and you can just list now the people talking about their day and you feel you know you have A. Empathetic understanding and you you feel less alone, what what do you? What do you do when you were? when you're on Vicodin and you get off I it in and then you get hit by an SUV when you're taking a walk good question, what how does how do you manage that? Well, you know they. They gave me the medicine. Are they gave it to my wife because they knew that I was a drug addict. And Nancy gave me one. And the thing was is that it didn't speak to me anymore. that. That I didn't like the way it felt and I I have you know I I had a bad. NEOM back at, and the thing is, is that I can't take I can't take What's it called model more. No tylenol. advil. Yeah, it's not good for my my kidney. But. You know you you understand I understand that the regulated I understand if I want to escape. then I just WanNa die. So I I was in good shape I was I was quite relieved. that. I didn't need it for that any longer. So. Let's let's talk about this a little more because I'm I'm fascinated by it. What is your protocol today? You see a therapist I know we talked about the exercise and the movement part is our diet part is there is there mindfulness meditation as their you know Saunas like what? What's the protocol? All of that But I do I try to I try to exercise thirty five to forty minutes a day You know the tinker walk along walk. The Walk I was taking I got hit by a car but also I have a elliptical that I get on I I have an APP food APP. Count my calories I talked to my friends I talked to you know a psychiatrist. And any given time in my house somebody's on their computer talking to Dr. Yeah but but you know I. I I know when this feeling comes and he comes it comes and goes that that is not permanent and that I'm not broken. It's only it's only when. I do that inventory I say, okay. Well, what's going on? Why am I feeling this way? and sometimes it's chemical. You know it's like okay. So go take a walk because they're saying now that a fifteen minute walk as the equivalent of like forty milligrams of PROZAC. I I. It it is. It's insane. Effect or maybe it's not maybe we should have known this all along but the. The. How it engages you I mean think about how much better you communicate when you walk like it it's funny I knew this when I was a kid when I was like fifteen, I had a friend named John Tyler live down the street and almost every night we just go for long walks through north Hollywood as long walk and we'd be walking and talking like think about how much clear you are. And there's a physiological thing because you're engaging your right side and your left side and you're right hemisphere and you're left hemisphere. But think about even even something like let's say you had a great friend. Dear friend or family member. So when you just really enjoyed. Going out to dinner in talking is good. But if you took that same friend and went on a long walk, you would literally cover more ground verbally like there's just more flow there's there's more. Going on like it somehow freeze something up. The movement does that the other thing is I think it's important to. To. Express this that we. The feeling of of of sadness is a good thing. We're supposed to have these feelings. That's what fighter flight is all about. But culturally because of advertising and the and the blitzing of advertising, we've been led the things that were always supposed to feel good and and if if you know buying a Chevrolet and seeing the USA in terms of that status or that Zip code that's GonNa, make us feel better and so when we don't feel well, the Chevy is not doing it for us we feel. We tend to persecute ourselves. And put ourselves down because we don't we we haven't had the advertising that says, it's okay to feel bad. You're just you know you're you're doing your job the fact that that forty percent of America's obese right forty percent. Well, they're doing their job because we turn on a commercial and it's telling us to go to McDonalds. It's telling us to buy this. It's telling us to eat that and so that's cool And and and and that's each are anxiety away in my case it my first drug of choice was food you know at at at ten eleven twelve years old I wound up putting a hundred pounds on and then I wanted you know girl stop looking at me and I wanted to be like Billy Maguire, and so I started starving myself because I thought that if I was thin again, the girls would be interested in the So it's all of these the we don't have we. We should be teaching these behaviors in preschool we should be doing my fullness stuff increase school. We should be doing yoga teaching yoga teaching kids when they have a feeling to talk about those feelings. Because we're a society that waits for us to break before there's any available treatment. Well if trump gets a second term, we can start implementing yoga as part of the curriculum I part. I. I've Read I've read his website. It's there. We went when was a kid? We played smear the queer. We're GONNA go from smear the GUERTA Yoga great game great game. They should they played competitively in the Middle East I don't know if you guys know that Hey Joel We've we've come to the end of our time here, but this has been very interesting, very interesting from the from the vine is the name of the movie. Again, it's a high eighties mid high eighties on rotten tomatoes and that is. You WanNA radio. It's available available now on digital and video on demand is well. Joe Thanks for joining us. I hope we can do this again soon this has been a cathartic. Nice to see. Good to see you. Joe Thanks for joining us. All right. We will take ourselves a quick break come back with the Gina Granddad and the news. With? Graft. Break. All those crazy trump tweets. G. Grant trouble. please. Draw downs. The news with gene a Grad it I stay tuned for some unfinished business because Dawson's working on the replay of the winner totally topical Tree Trivia Tiba Trivia Brian is protesting says he got in First Gina swear she did yeah. I can't wait to hear that couldn't tell based on no evidence I am sure me. So the challenge is on and Dawson is Dawson is working on it. So we'll that'll be breaking news go ahead. Yeah. All, right well, we're down another other Disneyland Disneyland. Paris is temporarily closing againist France enters a second nationwide lockdown. We talked about that a little yesterday to curb a surge in corona virus infections. So it hopes to be opened for the holidays specifically and they'll be taking reservations from December nineteenth to January third, but then the park will be shutdown January fourth to February twelfth president macron announced a new nationwide lockdown Wednesday that said it will last until December first at a minimum. So we're not the only Disneyland on the planet that is not going to be open good. Our misery needed some some companies. and. I don't know if you saw the latest on, you know because we see how football games have been going. Well, what about the Super Bowl so super bowl fifty four is now laying down their strict rules about participation from fans. It is in Florida question. Oh okay. Well, that'll be banned. According to ESPN League has decided to limit attendance at Tampa's Raymond James Stadium to twenty percent of the venues. Usual Sixty, five, thousand, I heard I heard they're only going to do Half an F. eighteen flyover. Just, going to be the right side of the point of the missing men for. Th Right. Yes They even though Republican Governor Rick Desanta has been pushing to have a full house they said, no, no, no, the NFL's also pudding I am sorry but I don't I don't get why here we are I. Guess we're halfway into the season or coming up on halfway into the season there's another. Four months or three and a half months or whatever it is. Why do we need to make the proclamation right now like why can't we see how things play out in Florida over the next two months? As far as capacity goes like I I know you gotta plan shed like how many hotdogs to bring and stuff like that but I, mean. The Super Bowl's now what early February February seventh couldn't we do this? Can we figure it out by the first of the year? You have to have some some. No. A little more have a little more lead time or lastly time but a little more information right and to that point. The I believe are just getting a a heartbreaking tip from from Dasa one second I was just getting information to the Boston Marathon has been canceled and that's an April. So. Why are you looking? Through, look at dates. Yeah. Again like I don't I. Don't know. Let's. Let's see how the rest of this year goes. Y Y put the Kibosh on it so far in advance wondering when it came to music festival like Coachella and all that stuff and big big sporting events I have no idea. But do you think they lost a lot of money in the planning then having to cancel like pushing back, pushing back their money being spent with the pushing back where it's cheaper to just say fuck it I don't know but I can't I can't figure it seems weird to lock off twenty thousand people can attend a game so far in advance. Or by away, what if what if Shit's a whole lot worse like yeah I mean maybe twenty two much have no problem. I'm sure making it more restrictive. Guesses here in Christie talk on. So many business calls just occurred to me. A lot of companies are planning fiscal year. Q One. You're dealing with massive sponsors the bud lights in the FORD GM of the world's but they're planning really far in advance and that involves travel and science and All that they're all right dossier, we had some hot audio ready I think yes. The audio evidence is clear and indisputable I will you guys be the judge? A teenage girl. Vacationing for the Summer Pete Pete. Blame it on Rio. At A. Resort. That was Brian. Came in right after. Pete or You. I wonder why? Did you on the spot bastard. Piece and then you jumped in obviously, you knew it was waiting. Rang in I did. This is we're having asterisk and under protest bald Brian gets the. Win. That was a revenue moment with. Going share this with Gina. Jazz. That's so weird God, you didn't even you weren't even a blip on my radar in that moment. Chris. Well, you're you're locked in Chris. We can do a tiebreaker, but it's not a tide right? Brian it's like when this? When the coach Red Fly, you don't make them do the play over again. That's wrong. He was imbalanced. That's right. All right. Sorry. Gina if you're capable of it. Continue. All right. I'll choke back tears. Those are fun game though yeah. So you guys like the mass singer will what do you think of the masked dancer because that is next I like. The producers of the mass singer. are celebrities aren't sweating enough. How perspire more? Well, we could dress them up like an eagle and put a giant paper. Shea. Eagle head on them. I feel like avid yes. What about where's the cardio they're moving but they're singing we need one where they're just like the mass. You know. BOWFLEX Waddell or something. How fucking sweating you're going to be doing if you do the mass dancer, people are going to die out there. They're going to die we're, GONNA lose celebrities. This is interesting and I can see some of the some of the razzle dazzle in a little bit of a work around but let me explain it to you. It's going to be hosted by Craig Robinson and operates under much of the same premise. So the press release says costume celebrities will be joined on stage by masked partners and backup dancers. Why magically doing a lot of heavy lifting as they perform a series of dances together spanning from hip hop to salsa jazz tap and more each week a series of clues we'll be sprinkled in Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. Figuring out who the sad that we just thrown in the. On Primetime entertainment like fuck it. Let's just rip off shows from Japan and just suck and so. Do the bunch of lights and Shit what how big into that has johnny we're doing on dancing with the stars I wanNA, know I wanNA know what the line is. CAITLIN she she she in front now. Let's see here. So yeah, Johnny Weir's that plus one, fifty, Ceylan at plus two, hundred ooh, and Nev Schulman at plus two, twenty five. So those are the top three. All right. So we're still got the best odds now I mean. Yeah. He's the FHA. Okay. I want to interrupt here. Really quick just heard back from the judges We can not give Brian the win because he never actually said dirty dancing. There's no way we help getting me. There's no way we can tell. So we need to do one more active real harsh. Harsh it right there man. I didn't fuck into. You'd never gave are you familiar with that title Bryan? Yes or no? With say. Now Go get the money further NASA for different tasks that was made. Up Parody doing one more we're doing. Just was sitting well with me. We're doing right now Brian Okay? If are you stop complaining and get my head right? The. Game. Because, it's almost. Here, we got. A documentary film crew. On a boat. In, the Amazon? Gina. Gina. A. Hold on. Robert Downey junior and Tom Cruise. Another. It's A. Anna Kanda come on. Oh. It is an economy. What's it. Say That's okay congratulations. Cake trophy. Only one loser here and ain't over to the paint dried people. That satisfying now, I, can move on. Hey. Listen. I'll bring the belt to the next round. You guys can claim it if you're good enough. To conduct an. Anaconda. Jennifer. Lopez come on. God to. Empower. Sane okay. Anyway. As I was saying the panel. Can. John. Who Does the Mat Singer? Apollo Abdul, Brian, Austin Green, and Ashley Tisdale that's your. Mass Dancer. Where does Brian Austin Green? He was apparently the giraffe contestant on mass singers that qualifies him to do mass dancer. Oh it was what about dancing? I don't know I mean besides Palette Paula. Abdul. I really don't know they came to this conclusion. Well Ken. Junk did the other one right singer, right so they just need affable Nice Ken young and then. He also does that new show I can see your voice he's the host of that one too. Yeah. There's a new one where. You can't hear you hear the voice, but you don't see the people. Boyce, how do you see them seeing but you can't hear them or something I think that's what it is what it's weird everything. I blame. Wipe out. Because, that show just got us going down the dumb trail and we snowball and ever since like they we just went fuck it. We're done thinking. We just want everything's going to be a game sort of this weird format. Pleasing to nine year olds by the way. That's colors. All right. Let me hit Thompson. Cigar. Whether you're working from home or kicking back. In The week of hanging out when a relax a little how about you deal with the premium cigar i. gotTa Tell You. I'll tell you about Thompson Cigar company in a second I got some deals for you but when I went over to Dave. and. Yeah. When Dave robot Gina Dave. Ribbon. 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Really the Japanese Game Show A. TV picked it up from what I remember, but we used to watch the Japanese version on YouTube. Correct. What happened to that net flicks one where their controversial because you're getting hit in the head with a snow shovel remember remember that yeah. That was a set still going on. I doubt it. In a barn. Owner, they stay up really late or they for now they just kind of torture people. Like Scotland or something let's do one more Gina Geographic. All right. Well, technically, you're not supposed to be able to cast a ballot an election in Ohio if you're an idiot according to the Columbus Dispatch newspaper ads in fact, it says so right in the State Constitution under Article v Section six, no idiot or insane persons shall be entitled to the privileges of an elector but the archaic nearly one hundred, seventy year old terminology was originally meant to describe people who were severely mentally disabled and not just plain stupid like we use state lawmaker state lawmakers approve legislation in two thousand six to remove the word including idiot. Drunkard an imbecile from sections of Ohio revised code replacing those with incompetent persons. So now you can be an idiot. Lunatic and still have your votto I would rather be. I'd rather be an idiot than incompetent. Idiot. Idiot can feel pain be short term you can do idiotic things. Also. It's kind of a pejorative so it's more like the person like. 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Lisa Harper :: Goats, Gratitude, and Real Talk

The Grove Podcast

43:00 min | 2 years ago

Lisa Harper :: Goats, Gratitude, and Real Talk

"Hey, it's Emily Vogel. Tianjin? You're listening to the grove podcast each month at the grow. We invite someone on our team or friend of our house to carry the teaching portion of the night, but we never promote who that person is going to be before the gathering. It's always a surprise from the very beginning. Our heart has been that people would want to come to the grove to meet with Jesus not for who is teaching. It's one of our favorite parts of the grove. We recently had our dear friend, Lisa Harper. As one of our surprise guests for groove gathering. And while she was here. She sat down for a chat with Shelly gig. Leo for today's episode of the grove podcast. There is no one in the world like Lisa Harper. She is family to us here at the grove, Lisa's brilliant bible teacher, author in an all around fun person. But her favorite title is mom to her beautiful daughter. Missy who she adopted from Haiti. In two thousand fourteen you're gonna love this candid and honest conversation with Selley in Lisa as they dive into the deep end from the very beginning. And talk about letting go of dreams, the pain of singleness challenges of single motherhood. And of course, some of the funnier sides of life. So lean and listen, here's Shelly gig, Leo with Lisa harbor. Hey, Shelley gig, Leo, and we are here for the grove podcast with one of if not my, but don't tell anybody else favorite people, I've grinning, so big. Crap. It's Lisa Harper. And she's not just my favorite, but she is one of my favorites. And for many, many reasons, but you guys know that feeling because she's also your favorite. So you know, what that feels like? But I love having this moment with you. And every now and then life affords us some moments together, and we've already had a bunch of those this this day, and it's so life giving to me to have you in my life, and such a gift to have a friend like you. And so obviously to have a conversation like this is just bonus material to me, and I love that we can send this moment together. So thank you. Typically, gracious, just always always you Zude grace because I'm sitting here thinking you have carried me to the roof and lowered me Jesus more times than I can count. So you're you're kind to say that about me. But that's well, it's only because it's true. God, you know is so into. Exaggerating a tad. I think it's true. It's amazing how when we need courage, and I need it. Sometimes you needed other times guys seems to place us in the right time in the right situation or in the right moment together. And sometimes that means as calling and saying, hey, I need you to be that right moment. And sometimes he just aligns it. So that we are in the moments together. But I wasn't affinity. Yeah. Well, from those deep friendships comes a lot of life. And I mean, we've been sitting in here before return this podcast on talking about the allergy and books that were reading, and and I just love it because, you know, scriptures says friends Barich other on and not just to be okay. Which you do may be. Okay. But also to know God better. Right. And I think the deepest friendships in my life bring me to a point of understanding of God that I would not have apart. Oh, absolutely. I think we've talked before about Leslie new begin Anglican priests. And he's. Said community friendship is the most effective hermitic houseful. It is really the way we understand Jesus. The clearest is through the lens of real community real gift. Well today, we have a lot of things to talk about. And I have a long list. Okay. How big are you probably have a campaign that I want us to talk about some stuff that I feel like maybe people wouldn't normally hear from the stage. Okay. So it's stuff that I don't know. I'm not going to dig it out in the deepest parts of you. God reveal some of that stuff. But I think it gives people a chance to know, you more when you can kind of talk about some things that you might not teach if you were, you know, teaching at the grove even or crashing at another woman's bobble steady or maybe you're preaching at a church somewhere. This isn't the stuff that you would probably naturally talk about. But I think it's stuff that will be revolutionary for so many of our lives. And so I wanna talk about it. Let's start with motherhood because you know, one of the things interestingly that we have in common is that neither one of us have had our own biological children. And he you would of course. I did. Yeah. I think the remembrance. I definitely assumed. I assumed you know, everyone who Mary's in particular will the next step is we have children, and and as soon as you're married, the people in your world start asking are you gonna have kids because they turns out don't care about you at all. They really. Children. Right. So yeah, I think there are moments in my life. I just assume that that would be a part of my story. But but I think both of us have done a fair job better at times than others. Of understating that God's story is sometimes bigger than our own, right? And almost always different than what we assumed. Yeah. Right. Wow. Very different. And I would say not just different. But for me in a no you'd say this is well so much better than my biggest dreams. I mean in really I would not have asked for this much. I would've asked for different timelines. But I wouldn't have asked for my story is infinitely better than I talk about talk about it for a second talk about Missy and just the thirty your life age of life, you're in and then the challenge in my little girl for those of you who are are listening. Call shelly. And Shelly that's because she is my niece. She is your natio- absolute your niece because you've been so dear to us. I brought her home from Haiti. It's almost been five years. I've real April fourteenth will be five years was in process for two years lost to Dobson's primacy. So she. She what gift? Yeah. Just extrordinary gift. But I'm also single and brought Missy home. The euro turned fifty so went through menopause and motherhood at the same time, and she is other the myself Asian getting to be MRIs mom second mom, her first Mamma died in Haiti of aids and Missy second. Mom, I was I was telling a friend the other day. Sometimes I forget because MRI so healthy that they said she won't a lot of the doctor said, she won't survive the adoption process. I forget, you know, you have to remind myself when I look in. Yes, she's so full alive. She had a bruise the other day that look like. That that can be related to a condition. That's an HIV aids condition, and I just kind of had to catch my breath and realize it wasn't. As dangerous as it was sometimes, I look at her, and I go, I just can't believe what God is done that he redeemed so much of my story because I was just scared to death to get married. So the reason I didn't have children is I didn't get married, and I was afraid of marriage afraid of that kind of intimacy tease about it s still tease about it. But truth of the matter is I just I was afraid I was afraid of being left Sofretu abuse. Those kind of guys I was drawn to so I'd get kinda close to the altar where we were starting to talk serious. And then I would just panic because I wasn't drawn to to good godly men, and I can still member Shelley probably way too deep for the program. But I'm caffeinated. I love it our Gillan in for my annual lady parts, doctor, and it was the year. I turned forty year forty just seems like it's a big. Yeah. It's a mouse. Milestone, and I was trying to I mean, I've always loved every h I've been and I had told myself, you know, if I don't get husband by the time, I'm forty I'm gonna get a Harley. And so I got a Harley which I mean, I was it was it was a better good than. Yeah. That years forty I went to my annual lady parts doctor visit and the girl that had been my nurse for years. Just kind of off the cuff. I think she just assumed. Of course, I'd process this. She's like a lease by the way, you know, you you won't be able to be your children because of age and some stuff, and I remember being like, oh, shirks course. I would married she's assuming you're not even thinking that that's probably not even in your your spectrum of thoughts right now and acted totally cool with a and I went out in the parking lot. And I mean ball like a baby because it was that end of ours. Assumed that caria a child said the fact that I get to be a mother is extraordinarily redemptive. But there will always be a little grief in me that I didn't have a big belly that I didn't get to go to the p and the pie that I didn't always wanted to feel the miracle of a child. Own body. And so yeah, there's a grief with that. I think the. A hope that Muhart of always said, I want my heart. I would rather it be hurt than hard. And so that part of life. I hope keeps me tender instead of self protective. Yeah, I think it has. And I think the way you've. Maybe just chosen not to live in the grief of it forever to to have that portion of you that would will never not grieve. Right. But to not be that grief have that grief being the driving force life. And obviously some of that has been redemptive. And Missy yeah. When she showed up God was so gracious and kind to you in so many ways. And so I do think there is a redemptive part or element to that motherhood story. But I also think it's you're choosing to live as though God knows best. I I could not choose a child more custom fit for me. It's manually. I forget, it's crazy. I forget sometimes that she's doubted because she's just my kid. Yes. And so, yeah, it has been extraordinary as changed the topography of my heart. I didn't know I could feel some of the things I feel, you know, people used to always say to me if you're ever apparent you'll see a facet guide a facet guy that you haven't seen before. And you wanna go. We're goodness gracious. Be careful that that sounds elitist right because Holy Spirit allows us to see every facet of God. As we're growing toward maturity and Christ likeness. But what being MRs parent has done for me is I am just undone by God's love for me because there's moments that off feel love for MRI that I didn't know I could feel that much. It's like he's expanded my capacity to love, and then there will be this little catch in the back of my heart, and I go this is a drop in the bucket of compassion has for me like he loves me more than than this. What I'm feeling right now does the extravagance of God's affection. I think has become a little more experiential to me. I can believe it more because of because of getting to be MRIs mom. But yet has been definitely being her mom has changed the not just the topography of my heart, but the trajectory of my life. Everything's different. Yeah. Talk about 'cause motherhood, especially single motherhood. Yeah. Be a lot of single moms. Listening to the. Yeah. Who are raising kids on the single again. Yeah. Who were trying to figure out not just how to raise decent humans. Yeah. Although that as a really challenging right goal, right? But but also how how to be okay in the midst of doing and man, there is a lot of layers to that. But oh, so many layers. I mean, you were counseling me at lunch today. Emily because I there's so many places. I I'm not enough. You know, I don't have enough hours in the day. I don't have enough wisdom. I think that's why got ordained for kids to have moms and dads. But we live in a broken world. Everything's not perfect. And in MRIs case. She wasn't going to survive in Haiti so one mom in the states was the gift. Yeah. For for her and for me too. But yeah. Being a single mom and being an older single mom has been this magnifying glass over like. Like every single weakness. In me, my tendency age single handedly is oh man, my trample over my body telling you, I mean, it's like. Houser Rooney things are leaking that aren't supposed to leak, and I mean, it's just it's it's wild. She came into the bathroom the other day, and I was stepping out of the shower, and she just stopped like the road runner is like she almost, you know, started running backwards, and she went momma what's wrong with you. And you. Well, I don't know what is wrong with them. I don't I don't know. Honey, I thought maybe there's something you underneath there. I can't see. And she went momma, though, just so long. Area. They. So yeah, there's some really funny moments in the the places where I don't have enough for what she needs or in that case, maybe a little too much. But but over and over again being a single mom reminds me that he really is a father to fatherless husband, the has Melissa because my kid deserves a dad wish she had a dad was skin on if it's God's will for us. I'll be soft enough to marry I'll be needy enough to Mary I won't be so afraid at I don't know what that is going to look like five years from now ten years from now. I know today, he sufficient another today has Grace's sufficient, I know, the places where I have been an impatient. Mom, a tired mom, all these things, you know, promised myself when I brought her home from Haiti new do, you know, this had chickens was doing eggs in the whole organic thing. And and that lasted about a week and be a mall. My goodness. My first massive failure. I was even grown vegetables and during the period and the whole nine yards, and I remember sitting across from her McDonald's. She and she couldn't speak English. She's just Lovin just just just. Eating French fries. Like there was no tomorrow. And I'm sitting across the her thinking of all the horrible additives, either chicken nuggets. Yeah. And I I'm the worst mother and history of time. Like, I was working co turns out every mother does exactly. And then you get you know, what I'm doing the best. I can said the places where as a mom his single who travels the places where. Okay, I can't do paleo muffins for the homeroom snack. Right. I can go to whole foods and buy some killer paleo muffins. I can't do everything. It's like over and over again got us whispering to me. I want you to remember this. When you come to me, I don't expect you to be perfect perfectionist overrated, right after abrupt, Missy home, Beth more and Priscilla had become on this. Mom's broadcast thing. I'd been a mom for like, two months. You're like, I'm an expert. Yeah. Everything I know everything, but we had this little mom's it was for mother's days. I don't even remember what it was in program beginning they both gave these you know, dissertations on how to be good moms. And then it was like what you got. And I was like really all have gratitude. I don't know how to do the mom's schedule yet. You know, my mom bag is four hundred pounds. Because I don't know what to bring this point yet. I've got ipads, and you know to looting boogie wipes for days. I don't know how to do this yet. But I'm so stinking grateful. God is allowing me to and five years in. I realized that's my greatest strength is just being undone the kinds of God that he allows me to be a mom so think gratitude goes a long long way. And then Beth said something to me, she may not even remember it all those years ago. I said bet if you could distill your wisdom and being a mom and just kind of one takeaway for me as an old new mom, what would it be and she paused, and you know, Beth is thought she was like pondering something in Hebrew. And she went Lisa just try to say, yes. More than you say, no Royal and that has come back to me a thousand times. How can I say yes, Timothy not the spoiler, but to affirm into builder up and and to help her be exactly God wants her to be. She's not. She's not my mini me. She is her own unique miracle, and so that has been really fun and recognizing I get to shepherd her heart. I don't imprint I don't create her heart. God is giving her hardy this brave amazing, incredible heart. So how can I steward and shepherd that in a way that both honors Lord, and is is the best for my kid, man. Really good helps her live her best life. So you you say it just in talking about it. And then we'll move onto some other things too. But. You talk about just learning that there is no such thing as a perfect mom, and that grace is extended to you as a mom, and even even I think more so as a single mom that's somebody who's providing really both sides of an equation into a child's life. And I think as moms and in our culture, generally speaking, we're not crease centered people toward ourselves. Now. If I were to look at you, see your circumstance, I can extend grace all day long to you. Because I look at you raising Missy, and I look at your life, and I look at your fulltime job and a look at where you live, and how you travel, and I say there's grace for that Lisa. There is no such thing as perfection of just extend grace, but to yourself into myself, that's a whole different scenario. But yet I believe God extensive much grace to us. Yeah. And so how do we teach ourselves? Even in things like motherhood to be grace filled toward ourselves. Yeah. I'm Fred lightning gonna strike the studio. It's a lot easier to preach in the news. What I'm learning to do two simple things. One is to do the next right thing. I am really guilty of projecting of looking at what next week or next month around the corner. What's going to happen? Mris is school. And there's things I worry about as a single mom practical things financial things like what's going to happen which and I have to get Lisa do Tamara today's grace today. Tomorrow's grace tomorrow to do the next right thing. Of course plan ahead, but be present in the moment. More than you are worrying about the future or grieving the past. And then I am learning. And I say I'm in kindergarten year. I'm learning to be needy. I am not very good at asking for help. And I think that's where I'm learning. Grace is to go come not doing this. Well, could you help me? Me with this. And I am all the time. I mean, I can give you the microcosm of Missy here in MRIs Haitian. She's got this beautiful curly urban hair. I knew because I'd watch the Chris rock special. Exactly, I knew for a broader home. This is wheelhouse. Like, I've got to get some help here. Get some help here. And so I was constantly go into my black friends. My friends knew how to do urban here. Like, you'll help me show me how to braid what are the best products? And and that was easy because it's it's a way of kind of broadening your community. And I have a lot of friends don't have the same ethnic background or or demographic as I do. So I love that. I think imagine his way of rated. But it's like the Lord is teaching me you take that microcosm of how fun and easy. It was for you to ask for help with Missy Sayer. And you span that to all of your life because you don't have a dad with skin on his day. We were driving home from school. And Missy said, mama. We need a daddy. And I said maybe you need to daddy. I need a baby daddy. And then went on another don't say that. That's please everything I say, but but we don't right now have dad was skin on. And so I've learned okay? Lemme ask my friends husband's hey, can y'all help fill in here because. There's there's things that she needs to learn now, but actually need to come from a man a godly man, not for me. You know, you know, Kylie until my friends, Tim, every Valentine's Day takes Masika. They have kind of an uncle daughter day, and he talks to her even at this age. She's nine aback the kind of guys who are safe the kinda guy she should be attracted to let Meads to be coming from God. And not for me. It's hard for me to ask for help. Because of my own shame issues, you know, for years thought God had saved me because he felt sorry for me. Not because he delighted in me. So I could teach the algae I could sit in seminary and fill in the papers. But at the end of the day still had some massive shame issues. And that's why wouldn't ask for help. It wasn't that. I didn't believe in grace. It's that I didn't think I was worth it. And so to recognize that there's still that that Bruce got us healed a alive, but there's still a bruise in my heart of when I don't ask for help. Nope. It's because I don't think I'm worth interrupting somebody else's life and a half to a K, but she won't more from us a Sedona, let your shame and your lack of asking for help and really ultimately trusting and God's grace got sufficiency impact your kid. So we're we're turning the ship. You know, it's it's taken a while. Because I was I was self sufficient and prideful wrap versus around it and make it look like I was. Yeah. Spiritual even brave. Yeah. And and so God has been gently spanking me for a long time on that one. I would just encourage you that I see movement and thank you. So as a friend who's does done close. I see you recognizing your needs and admitting them in asking for help and ways that you might not have had naturally, right? You know, somebody's standing right there offering, but you have people in your life who would love to contribute, and and just encourage people. Are listening to I think sometimes we rob people of their opportunity. Yeah. By being prideful and thinking that we can and so many people will receive from God by giving to you Lisa or Missy, and when you refuse to allow them to do that it takes from them one of the things that God's gift them most to give and I don't wanna be a a robber of people's Hootie opportunity. Yeah. I actually want to allow people to step into the places that God's called and get them for. And if it if it's to the end that I get helped then I'll receive it almost so that they can receive the blessing that they were in red to get along the way to think about it sometimes in some other form than just me. And Missy and what we need. But almost like I don't wanna rob somebody either. No, I love that you frame it that way because the the line of demarcation. If you will for me emotionally, as I wanna I wanna give more than I take. And it's an it's a real binary thinking, and it that's not the way God's he's at. That's not the way scripture narrates it, but that's almost how immature is sometimes in my heart. I don't be selfish. I don't wanna so instead of recognizing I'm robbing somebody of their opportunity in the blessing. I see it as openness don't be selfish pig, and I have beat myself up over things that that are not at all the way God has laid it out. So I actually love at the frame it away. Kazan house me recognize this isn't about this isn't about selfishness. This is about body is about the body rise. Yeah. Really is. Yeah. So I want to talk about a couple of different things. I wanna talk about the the anxiety and weight of being single at your age feeling responsible. Yeah. Of feeling like there's really no one else that's going to carry some weight. Yeah. And talk about the anxiety that comes with. I mean, we were laughing today at lunch about a car story, which Hugh might need to tell us a smidgen of but justly that being sort of a funny moment, but yet a revealing moment of. Yeah. Who am I going to call a situation who am I going to call? I'll tell you. I can't gives you the car story. So. Until you go story. Instead, I had I've always envisioned likey. My dad had a farm when I was growing up, and I kind of romanticized farm life. I've always wanted like a proud when I got my first John Deere tennis since like, not at all. And that's a pink Cama John Deere us to anyway of always envisioned like this just like we've got the sunflowers. And we've got the vegetable garden we've got a love that whole. I love having land. Yeah. Well, I made the mistake of buying goats. Ni- got little goats little miniature Silverman. Well, I had this hills. Hardiman I thought they'll be like a little really picturesque and you had England and mine may think in like maybe kind of a redneck economy England. Well, these goats were really fragile these goes bought that by the way, one of them I paid for in utero for blue eyes. So that's how gullible I was anyway. Laughing all the way Bank. Anyway, one of my goats died, and I came home and there's stead goat. And I had not I had not thought about that. Like a hat and process why came home from a trip sick as dog. I'd gotten the flu was on the road while carrying this dead goat because I don't know what to do with a dead goat. But I knew I probably shouldn't have the dead goat round the other goats because I thought what of it's kind of contagious thing. So I think the only thing to do is k- the goat up the hill. Because then there's all these woods behind my house. Not that. I'll stick it up there. It was really cold burial. Yeah. Kind of burial ground was I'm walking up the hill. I was wearing friend pants because you know, when you have the flu, and you don't wanna wear pants with elastic, you need some really loose. Well, I'm carrying the goat with both hands. So the dead. Goat won't swing and get on me because it's difficult was I'm going up the hill. We live on kind of a busy rural highway my pants start coming down and different pants. And so, you know, I'm home by myself with the pants with underwear. And so a half. To choose. And that moment whether to to like get dead goat on me or moon. You know, these rural people. Did. Okay. Great show. It was very it was a giant eclipse. But as funny as it was I remember also being kind of mad because I thought Lord, you know, I'm killing myself here. Celebrate for a million years. You know, kill myself here. I need a man to like carry dead goats up the hill. And it sound really keep my somebody to buy me a bell. But in that moment, it come and became a bigger thing. It was silly. But I thought I'm tired of doing everything by myself. You know, it's on me to pay the bills. It's on me. The MO the yards on me. The and that's where it gets hard being single and feeling not picked by the right guy. It's not a Valentine's Day kind of thing anymore. You. I miss the romance. When I was younger now, I just sometimes want somebody to help me navigate life. And so yes, there is definitely a wait. Sometimes it's funny. And sometimes it's a line in bed at midnight staring at the ceiling going K Lord. I know that you say your husband, the husbandless, but I I actually need that to be a little more tangible right now because I'm I'm I just need help, you know, need somebody to put their arm around me and go will do this together or Honey rests for minute. I've got this said there is for me. There has been a very real, wait. I'm content in being single not looking for husband. I'm not on a harmony teas and say, my husband has lost wants tough to ask for directions. I would. If that's that's will. He absolutely will. But that doesn't mean that in my contents. I don't content nece contentedness. I think is how you Branson that. I don't feel sometimes some very real weight of, you know, feel it every time ago the hospital with Missy there's nobody else in the hospital waiting room, but me and sometimes that feels heavy. Yeah. Sometimes I think okay, Lord. I know you're sovereign. I know you love her infinitely more than I do. But I'm an old mom if something happens to me, you know, there's no other parent if something happens to me when she's in junior high school, and she's already lost enough. And then I have to go. I can't stay there. He has he's been so kind and I've been a lot of fairy. And he's been so kind my deep end is not as deep anymore. Some not afraid of drowning more. I can I can come and go to the weighty place and go all right. All right now, I've got to go ahead and get some sleep because tomorrow morning, and I've got a pack. I've gotta get on a flight or I've gotta get new day. New got math homework. And so it usually isn't so weighty that I feel crushed. But but I definitely notes there. We know as people who are bystanders to do that in watching you live this. I would say that what we see is a trust in God that's deeper than a lot of people would naturally have. I think when we can depend on other things. Yeah. And other people and things that we set up to be protections to our life that we sometimes miss out on the actual trust in a God who promises he'll be enough. And I see you as a person that I respect so much because of the way that you dependent trust on God. And that deepest sense of. I am going to go to sleep tonight. If you don't come through for me. I don't have any other plan. Yeah. There isn't a backup to the backup. You're kind of what I've guy and man as as somebody who longs for that to be true of my life. You you you beckon me do that place. I heave. I see that anew much more than say that myself man, I'm through for. But he has forced me there. Yeah. Trust is not come naturally for me for any got. Yeah. For anywhere. We're a district in group of people. Yeah. And I. Other that he's going to be us. Yeah. And he has come through with MRI ni-. He always always go back to, you know, the leftover baskets of lows fishes in as one little boys. Chick-fil-a lunch feeds fifteen thousand people or there abouts, and there's all this leftover. That's what he's done for me. Yeah. In those moments that literally I think we don't have enough, you know, telling you when I brought and got his provided all our needs. And then some, but I remember doing a a friend just said have you figured in MRIs medical expenses into your budget this when I'm in the adoption process, but she's still in Haiti, and I was like, you know, Hatton really done that, you know, a love. Dave Ramsey from afar. But I don't want them all up in my house. Show me how to live. To make me quit going to get coffee. Anyway, I did the budget. And and I remember being like oh crud. Like her medical expenses her exorbitant. They have. Yeah. And I and I hadn't figured it in and I thought well there is a deficit here. I mean, I'm gonna be you know, getting aluminum cans, and he has provided in excess. It's just beautiful, and I haven't it's like a haven't even been that intentional. I was so busy the first year helping her learning English and getting those vegetables that you heard those silly chickens in did. Yeah. We've I'm done with the goats chickens, but he just provided. It's like it was this beautiful quiet grace. So I wasn't. I almost forgot to be panicked. No. And he just exceedingly and abundantly provided. So I do think the more desperate. You are the clear his provision is because I know he didn't provide it. There was there's nobody else waiting in the wings. But he's done so much more than just provide. He ended lavish and just hearing that and celebrating that. That's who he is. It's not just something he does risk people. But it's actually who he it's who is he is. And it says he delights to give. Yeah. And again, that's I still have to grow their because sometimes I'm like sorry. I'm sorry. I don't wanna be a needy kid like I want you to go busy yourself and wherever you need. Africa. And it's like he's going. I delight to give to you. And Missy and that has been that's been sweet I stay in his arms a little longer before. I start wriggling out trying to be a good kid. But I feel like that's what he's been teaching me for years is Utah linger in my embrace. And that's that's that doesn't come natural. Will you're doing a good job of letting God begun learning last thing, I want to talk about because we're running out of time, which I knew she could sit here all day may have to come back and do it again soon. But I wanna talk about the fact that you're a learner that I've never been around you when you're not learning something that you're not just busy to teach somebody else what you learn. But you're learning it. So that you can know more about the God that you say that you love so intimately, and I love that about you. I love the way that you have so much. Zeier to know God. And just talk about the fuel that burns in you. And were there moments. You had to ask God to help you with that. Or goodness gracious every moment of gone back to get my doctorate not to get a doctorate. But to study practically it's really good for. Missy is a third grader to see this old, mama. God has given her growing. I don't want to ever be stagnant in any facet of my life. But I am from the time. I was a little kid. I'm just curious love to learn. And when it comes to who God is he just gets better. Yeah. The more the more e- dive him. It's. There's there's no other shoe. That's going to drop. You don't go on new. It'd be unitive you go. Oh my goodness. He's even countries evil gracious. He's even holier, he's even more compassionate. But I was I was have started a doctoral program, and I am by far the dumbest person and that no no close far variously. But we we have time in in class last month where our professor sinister out to pray through one of the parables, and he's academic guy, brilliant guy. And so I was trying to just not mispronounce some of the words in clash. And so there's only five of us taken this particular class bird for doctors. So you're like, yeah. I can't be sitting there. You know, looking back on the class. Yeah. Usually, I can Google and figure out some words, but this class that was exposed. Anyway, I go out in the hallway. And I am an done by this pair. And I mean within of course, I'm the only girl in class. I'm subbing. I'm so undone by the kindness of God, the extravagant forgiveness of God when we repent even with our elder brother nece that when the purple is looking at, but oh, it's just undone. I thought I wanna be squeezed because that's how you make good wine and good I'll volume you squeeze that crucible is where you re I mean, I'm processing I go back into class. These other smart. He's like one of my classmates has his masters from Harvard. I was like, yeah. Yeah. One of these things is not like you're like to resume. Yes. Oh law. Let me just try to talk too, much expose myself. Anyway, they all start talking about the spare, but we've all been given assignment to pray through. So it's not her miracle. It's not it's just praying through it. I come back into your strain face. I've been processing the wrong Baerbel that really. So so unbidden sure strongly done by the wrong. I had to confess I had to tell my professor sorry. Yeah. Said that to me is the hallmark of my learning is usually just a Tich behind the class. But I love perusing the subject of who got it. Because for one thing and informs who I am. I'm his kid. Yeah. He loves me. But it just gets better. It makes me more secure makes me a better mother. It makes me just wake up every day and go I can't believe I get to do this all over again. I think I think diving into who got is feels gratitude and us will one of the things I think you do best is appreciate and when you're in those environments of learning, I know that you could be you. You are a smarty pants and could be personality. But what I see in you. Instead as a person that number stands that. It's connected. To the goodness and graciousness of God for your life. And so you have so much responsive. Gratitude gratitude when I see God all I can do is thank him. I just feel grateful when I see what God's done for me as relates to Missy. Yeah. Is it hard and challenging are there days that I'm out matched by? It's certainly there are. Yeah. But most of what I feel and you already said this earlier is gratitude how would God allow me to be in this moment with this child there. How is he that good? And when I see it, even what you postal social media. What you choose to talk about. There is a thanksgiving that comes through your life that emanates to the people that surround you that teaches us how to be grateful kids. And I personally just want to say thank you for the way that you live your life that way and the way that you choose to talk about God. And light that shows that he is good. He is kind. And then he means well for our lives, and does that mean circumstantially, it's all gonna work out. No it for me never has all been seamless. And exactly like I thought but at the same time he has good and our hearts can focus kind of on the travails of the path on the goodness of the shepherd, and you have a good shopper. And what I see is his goodness in your life. And so they whenever you speak at find myself going. Uh-huh. Did a. I'm like forever to lay on the plane, you speak in like at CS Lewis and a skirt. Drop wisdom bumps. But yes, when you're saying do you see the travails of the path path goodness of the shepherd. Here's the thing. I love about being fifty five. I look back over my life. And I go of never seen his back. Yeah. He is always good has life been heart. Of course has been hard. We live in a brick moral has he ever been anything, but kind and compassionate and faithful and jenner's now. No, I don't always see that. Because we see through the last. But that's the thing. I love about being an old mother the things I will have focused on keeping the car. Perfect in making sure she was a great reflection on me all those things where I was still so broken in my thirties. Even though I had a high metabolism now in my fifties. I go I feel like I'm able to major on the majors a little more effectively. Thank you for teaching away money so much. I love you more. We hope you glean so much goodness in gold from that conversation between Lisa Harper. And Shelly gig. Leo, we are so thankful to Lisa for her generosity to not only come and serve the women of Atlanta at the grove. But also the gift of her time and wisdom pouring into today's podcast. If you wanna learn more about Lisa and get some of her resources into your hands and heart take a minute to visit Lisa Harper dot net. And as always to all of our Atlanta listeners, we would love to see you at the grove next month. 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Vaccine nationalism

"We're stuck at home we can't go to are opposites. Kids might not be able to go back to school and the only way we can all go back to our lives of whether corona virus hit and ruined everything is to perhaps have a vaccine that works that people take and that can be distributed everywhere around the world but there's one big problem. Individual countries are coming up with their own vaccines are at least trying to their own vaccines may make it harder for all of us to get the treatment we need. That's why on early part of the boxing podcast network, we are going to talk about vaccine nationalism. This is the big trend the big problem that could be delaying why you and I may not get a vaccine anytime soon and why certain countries are not working with others when they should be at such a crucial time I'm Alex Ward Jen Williams Anzac Peach him are not here, but we are so lucky as always to have Jen Kirby who will join us and I think, I get to actually call you jen. Today. I think. So yeah. Hey. Alex, how are you? I'm good I'm actually genuinely excited to get to call you gender day because I always feel bad. Calling Me Kirby although you are a fan of it and you are in the nickname, you're okay with but still like you know calling you by name seems appropriate. I feel very lucky. I know what a tree, right? So it's just you and me which is exciting anyway because you did in a phenomenal explainer on acce- nationalism and what it means and on top of that I know you have a piece coming out soon hopefully while recording, it will be edited about Russia forget what vaccine nationalism sort of means I think it's important to start with the the bigger news item. which is that Russia has announced that they have a vaccine that there and they were going to start using it on people and sending it around the world or GCA Detaille Philippines president is like, yeah. I'm ready to take this. So I WANNA know why one Russia seems to have this thing what it means and how this will then impact vaccine nationalism. We're going to talk about in just a bit. So take it away Russia. Yeah. So I guess earlier this week. Russian president. Vladimir Putin said that you know that he's got it. He's got a corona virus vaccine approved and work. He said his daughter even took it The problem is we don't really know all that much about this vaccine and it's one thing that does seem clear that whatever the SPEC scene is hasn't gone through sort of the late stage or sometimes. Called phase three clinical trials, which is when you give the vaccine to a bunch of people, all different thousands of people, and you kind of see if a the vaccine is effective if it prevents people from getting infected and if an MP, if it's safe that there's no major side effects on bigger giving it to a really really big and diverse population and. So Russia doesn't seem to have gone through this massively critical step, and that is making scientist global health experts and everyone enormously freaked out right now that seems dangerous because if you're going to give a pretty powerful piece of medicine to a bunch of people, you would want it to be thoroughly tested and make sure that a works and the fact that Russia. is about to give this You know hopefully good like we all want it to work right held this hopefully good medication. A bunch of people that could be costly deadly bad for people's health. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean I talked to one expert who kind of put it very interesting link to me who said, it's not actually that hard to like make the vaccine. Companies. Many of them. We've heard about MODERNA. The Oxford University vaccine are kind of add this process. Now I mean but the real question is is this going to offer protection ideally long-lasting protection and is it going to be You know safe for people that there's no kind of really incredibly bad side effects I mean, yes it's likely that you may get you know sometimes reaction but the point is you need to know what those are. You can warn people and say, Hey, don't worry this isn't serious. and. So the fact that Russia doesn't appear to have gone through the steps and it's not quite clear if they're kind of improving it and. It and then going to try to do clinical trials even though they say they have it or if they're going to start distributing it, it's not all that clear right now, and that's what's causing a lot of of concern and of course, as you mentioned, it's dangerous that just because we don't know the physical reaction. But because you know if it doesn't work, you know all of these you know there's a lot of vaccine skepticism, a lot of vaccine hesitancy that's going to make it much much much harder not just for the corona virus vaccination but also for all kinds of other really important That we need to give people to protect their public health. So this is a very important because I about three things came to mind as you were saying that the first is like when I watch TV and usually the you know the medication commercials come on side effects may include and it's like thirty nine minutes of that We don't even know what the side effects would be assuming that we all got access to this rushing back seen to is people could take it and assume it worked and go about leather daily lives, and perhaps transmit the corona virus more and more, and then three is they take it it doesn't work people still get the. Coronavirus go. Well, vaccines don't work, and that sort of erodes trust and vaccines over time. So the rolling out something like this saying it works when we do not know that it does again I think we all hope that it does but if it doesn't, this could actually imperil the recovery the global recovery over time. Yeah absolutely. I mean those are yeah. You hit all of the top points right? We don't. We want the vaccine to be able to You know help us slow the outbreak but if we don't even know how effective it is, we don't know we can't just say go out and go back on your life. So all of those things you know Russia What seems to have done by cutting corners is kind of impaling that. Of course we don't really know because you know we have to remember who saying it, which is Vladimir, Putin and not the scientists, and so we have to you know when we hear anything Putin says, we have to take it with a pretty big grain of salt rock assault honestly This, guy. You know the years McGovern him now but All say that with Russia having a bunch of issues, right? He's dealing with a massive coronavirus himself Moscow's in dire straits a lot of the countries protesting against him. He's currently going through this pretty odd political transition where he's trying to basically president for life instead of leaving office. What he needs and I always say this on the show but dictators have politics too, and so for a guy like this to say, we know when his backs against the wall like I solved I solve the world's problems. Here's the vaccine. This should be seen more in political dictatorial lens than scientific one. Yeah. Absolutely I mean this is for Russia's domestic political audience and it's for you know Russia's international audience as well The vaccine is named Sputnik V for which. It is. That's not the craziest sort of propaganda. Not I don't know what it is, and you know if you go to the website has one of sources like turn me onto the website and you can actually like play the sound. You hear the sputnik beef. When you go to the vaccine website, it's like a little too on the nose I think and I mean but essentially, President Putin wants to say we have created this. This is about Russia's scientific and technical prowess and he wants the rest of the world to buy into that anyone you know his his own people to believe, oh? Yeah. Russia's back where we're leading the world and so yet really is a political ploy for. Sure I would love to talk about sputnik for a thousand years. I think that's such a phenomenal moment in like the Cold War but very quickly like since you covered this why you sputnik your what why would this make sense of historical analogy for this vaccine? So the sputnik was the first satellite into space during the Cold War and it kind of woke up the world to like Oh man rushes ahead in the US was like got to catch up and so you know some people I think wrongly for a lot of reasons that we can get to that later is framing the vaccine race as sort of this twenty first century space race. So Russia's basically saying, Hey, guys we won. So the actually, the space race is a sort of beautiful transition to this vaccine nationalism thing right because we could use a very loose analogy where the space race is kind of happening. Now with the vaccine, right everyone is trying to be the first or to get the most successful item which is a vaccine that works which can be attributed around the world. And perhaps get us out of this current embarrassments that role apart in your piece and what I found. Interesting is that it? Of course, we will link to it in the show notes, but it is surprising to me. You know having now read a bunch of histories of previous pandemics based on the moment where him because we all have time on our hands now. Is there used to at least be sort of like? Global feeling of let's all put in our chips into the same pot, and let's try to get the same sort of accion and let's make sure that works. Let's test it, and let's find ways to distributed around the world. Obviously, countries still always had a sense of lifelock my people get at first and whatever may not that was always true but it seems that we've now entered a sort of hyper competitive age where any country based on their own political needs. If you're Bhuttan based on national prestige issues, maybe if you're China if you're just like being first and the best America everyone's trying to get their own vaccine, this is causing competing strains to get it and therefore may actually hinder. And complicate the way we all would would get the vaccine distributed to us in the way that we would want line do my sort of getting this right even on muddling a bunch of analogies and thoughts. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean at it's sort of very most simplistic vaccine nationalism is if I'm the United States and I get the vaccine I, I'm GonNa, give it to the United States first, and then maybe if I have some leftover. Needs it but the idea is really like, I'm looking out for me and I'm going to get it I and I'm going to invest my time and resources and you know production capacity and whatever I can do, and of course, that advantages rich countries like the United States and China I mean without getting into the nitty gritty of you know vaccine supply chains, which is complicated and does complicate this broadly, the US does have the capacity to sort of you know help. Ramp up production at home whereas Argentina or Kenya does not have that capacity in the same kind of way, and the reality is you know with the coronavirus pandemic in outbreak in one place is a threat to everywhere, and so if we still have places in the world where the outbreak where the coronavirus is not under control, it's going to still cripple global trade. It's going to triple cripple global travel, and so what sort of the counter to vaccine nationalism is how do we? In a world where there's going to be limited dosages, how do we get it to the people on the frontlines who are most vulnerable? So that sort of broadly the world is protected as we sort of get down the line. All right. That's a really good summary. To Take off bit by bit of this so I okay. Anytime I've been on a plane in the before times. What they always said was in case of cabin pressure failure, right? You put on your own mask and then you help someone else. So what what is so bad about like you know Russia gets I China gets a first America gets a I like what's so wrong with giving it to your people making sure your country's good I mean again people have politics leaders need to. Do that and then helping everyone else out like why is that such a bad thing? Yeah I mean I think it's it's a comp. It's not necessarily a bad thing. Right I mean I'm a US taxpayer dollars are going to this operation warp speed. You know that's supposed to invest billions in a vaccine were you know still have a democratically elected government, which is supposed to be accountable to its people and like yeah, I mean they're working for us and we should get a vaccine but I. Think, and I think nobody even people who very much believe vaccines global public good and we should cooperate think we're going to totally eliminate that element from the equation I think it's pretty impossible but at the same time, does it make sense to vaccinate me who's a healthy? You know thirty something individual in the United States who can work from home and can sort of avoid public transit and isn't taking care of an elderly person or a young child or does it make sense to you? Know, vaccinate a frontline health care worker in Liberia. So it's like we're and an or does it make sense to vaccinate you know of migrant workers who are traveling around to different places and might be spreading a virus so those are things that are we have to consider when we say what will be the most effective use of the limited amount of vaccines that we have. So it's not necessarily like nobody in the United States, you get it, but maybe we should prioritize the most vulnerable. Workers are frontline workers, and then maybe we can come back to the second round for people who might if they were to get the coronavirus? The most vulnerable people let's just say that's such a complicated question right? Like who's an essential worker? I mean, yeah, right. That's a complicated question because you could of you know nurses, doctors fine than all make sense teachers. Perhaps, if we consider education that big deal how about ambulance drivers how about grocery store workers. people in the supply chain. You have to not only just of course in the US. But as you mentioned, Liberia tons of places around the around the world like that almost be a philosophical discussion, a scientific discussion of the highest portions in the sense of global coordination that we're nowhere near. So how could we start to tackle that question? Right? But that's why the nationalism question is. So Naughty, right because we're not even having those discussions which are very critical. Ethical discussions I mean. It is complicated. There is no easy answer and who in defining essential worker is very difficult. But if we automatically say, we're just going to L. let's be real even if the US gets a vaccine, not it's not going to be enough for everyone in this country whether they like it or not. But if we actually discuss these questions at an open, then we might actually have a better sense and then that. May Be a more effective tool and you know so healthcare workers first, and then maybe like people over sixty five or something like that. But yeah, these are very naughty questions and then it also gets to the question of who our own people you know. We've seen horrible outbreaks in you know you know meatpacking plants we've seen horrible outbreaks in prisons and I think politically, that would be a difficult sell even though that might be the most effective use of vaccine. So we when we say, Oh, we'll take care of her own first. When we ask who are owners that's a really really difficult and as you say like complicated ethical question that is not easy to answer. The word not because I think both in terms of like a not, and also just sit is genuinely naughty that we're having. Not Having. This sort of global cooperation. Okay. So getting a couple of things so far this conversation one that it may not be so hard to make a vaccine, but it's really hard to make sure that it's safe and usable to that there's a general impulse for individual countries to make their own vaccines and want to their own people. But then you laid to into three, which is well, it's complicated as to who should get it first and whether or not you could actually distributed safely and all that stuff. So, I guess it brings me to this sort of bigger question when we talk about vaccine nationalism, which is. Okay. Why did we get into this individualistic mess? Why don't we have the global cooperation? What is happening in the world at the moment where you can't have you know Russia China, the US camp, their issues aside and go okay we're we're all working on. One pathway here to get a solution what why the nationalism in the first place yeah. Anything to to speak to that you have to look at what happened or where the world's was when the coronavirus you know emerge. So to speak like we were already in this, very kind of, I, don't think hostels the right word, but we know we have the trump administration which has always pursued in America first policy and has you know backed away from global cooperation backed away from our longstanding alliances backed away from or even tried to actively undermine multilateral institutions. So we have that then we have this competition between the United States and China and we of course have China's In the early stages of the coronavirus which I think we can all agree helped create What were some of what we're dealing with now and? We also have a revanche in Russia. So we have all of those sort of chessboard pieces existing before we even got started and then and we also had trade wars which predated this which makes sort of global cooperation on distribution hard. It's all of that stuff is kind of happening before the coronavirus came and then. All those tensions were exacerbated to the highest level you have trump playing out of the World Health, organization etc etc. So I want to get into all these things think they're important backdrop I mean we've talked about nationalism and complications. I think we should get into sort of how you know why all these pre-existing tensions. Let's call them pre existing conditions. Are exacerbating the the world patient to completely ruined. The Metaphor. And complicated situation random we'll get to it right after the break. The Cut. The Cut. The CUT PODCAST is here Any narrative that says. You have to be doing X.. 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In support of us, so if you want to help us. If you love worldly vox pleased again, go to box dot com slash give and just give whatever you can thank so much. Welcome back worldly listeners where we left off. Was it before we got into this moment where you had individual countries trying to get their own vaccines and complicating the way we all get it. There were some problems with just foreign policy in general and one of the things I've been thinking about for for quite a bit. As, we think about how China Russia the US, our players in this a you rightly mentioned that, of course, got a trade war with. China, we had the election fantasy with Russia a whole bunch of other. Problems with both and in other countries, of course are involved in this but this is the sort of a grander point I think in our by grander, I mean like thirty thousand foot level not like this is the greatest point of all time. But I think it's interesting that the US has been solving its problems with other countries a lot usually with military tools with economic sanctions with all that we've really undervalued diplomatic relations and we've also undervalued scientific ones which arguably are a part of formulations as well of a minor one obviously, but but still one on the less. And when you get to a situation like this, like I always considered evening one, it's just a useful tool of statecraft you need it but it is an insurance policy. You need ties to people and you need conversations with even enemies in order to deescalate situations to better muddle through crises in when you've atrophied that muscle which we have, we're are unable to kind of go. To the Russians and say, Hey, guys, you know XYZ things go to the Chinese. Yeah we know we'RE GONNA we're fighting but like let's figure this out. Now of course, that's also on the Chinese and the Russians and others to you know they don't have to be mean and do bad stuff to us. But at the same time if you don't exercise that diplomatic muscle enough. Or you also take money away from the state. Department and Scientific Research Organizations in the US. Then it's going to be harder to muddle through something like this. In fact, we are muddling through it's going to be harder to make the connections that you need and perhaps coalesce a global movement, and so it's interesting to me when I hear you know Joe. Biden talk about stuff like this when I. Now Comma Harris they're talking a lot about not only the US leading again in the corona virus response but. Really bolstering diplomatic tools as way to to get the crisis like this, but also just crises that will inevitably pop up down the line. Yeah. Absolutely anything to that point it's not even there is global cooperation, but there's also the the problem where science has sort of become politicized a bead. The thing is the scientists themselves. You know many of these vaccine researchers as they should are publishing their studies are being transparent about where they are in the stage of the game, and the problem is when you kind of get politics involved, a kind of makes it hard for scientists to kind of do their job and coordinate and clyburn which would. Help everybody because you know in theory if you do you know the UK were to get a vaccine I but to help share that information with other people that maybe we could all get vaccine faster. So that's the other problem is the cooperation also makes it hard for the scientists to I think genuinely are cooperative and do very much believe in sort of the global public good I mean even saw at the start of the pandemic that the Chinese scientists did sort of give the the mapping of the you know the krona virus. Cove nineteen so that people were able to make their tests like that's an example of where. Working co-operatively like it better for everyone and we've kind of decided. Oh well, if I take care of myself than ever, I'll be fine but that just doesn't work in pandemic and it also we all kind of work together put our heads together. It sounds a little bit cheesy but the odds that we'd have a treatment or vaccine much faster. Would also probably be the case and I think as you were saying with these global organizations, we don't really have kind of central leadership that is sort of helping to coordinate that and whether that is the United States or not is you know one question but I mean some countries are trying to lead the way but then you also have this counter where. You have China and Russia saying no vaccine is actually a global public. Good. We're going to give it to people, but then you have China and Russia advancing their own you know international interest pursuing sort of a vaccine diplomacy and without the United States which maybe obviously we're biased but was once the trustworthy partner you're now kind of opening up the door to. A. Lot of sort of problems by refusing to cooperate your seating that territory to China and Russia I would assume they're going to be people I mean I don't know how much people will inquire about vaccines. But I'm assuming if you know someone goes to their doctor's office and there to get the coronavirus vaccine and then they find out oh, this was made in Moscow or in Beijing. Trust at less than if they learned, it was made in the United States by an American company enacted holy hinder people are like scare them vaccine, which again, sort of makes it harder for all of us recover because we all or at least a large majority of the global population needs to take a vaccine that works in order for us to kind of start to get back to normality. Yeah, and I think that's true because even talking to experts for Russia's story asked you. Know do you think sort of Russia's announcement? Will you know force other China the United States say I. We gotTa Catch Up and most people I talked to said they didn't believe so like that they very much felt you know whatever the politics are in the United States that you know the science and the experts strong enough here that they would make sure that when we had a vaccine out that it would be you know it would follow the protocols and it would be ready. And that in some respects being I didn't matter because then you know the United States could say, Hey, we're the best actually. So there is an element of vaccine nationalism there as well but yeah I think there is sort of that level of trustworthiness if there was sort of a a a real global leadership to say, you know somebody like the United States having the authority which I don't necessarily think it necessarily would write have right now to say you know we're gonNA. Pull our resources and try to distribute this I. Think is important and I think that's sort of the you know the downside of this America first policy is that yeah. Okay. We know the United States is looking out for itself. That's always been the case but before there was a sense that you know cooperation and even things like public health programs were net good for the United States for our soft power and our strategic interests and we've totally lost sight of that right now. Because it. One of the ways that the US would sort of signal to the world that we are sort of a benevolent power or right that we even though our strength of our military and economics and whatever may be. But we're here to hell free or I mean we're not. We may not want to be the world's policeman or are there some definitely don't want that some do but either way like we're, we're sort of the world's caretaker or caregiver in a sense, right? That if things go bad like we can provide aid, we can provide food we can you know surge diplomats and aid people and whatever is needed when things get bad and so a situation like this like you would almost expect the American cavalry like an all those old western in world war movies like you know. And here comes America and that's missing. Now if anything were competing, we're not helping a again that that's part of the environment like I don't WanNa let Russia and China and others off the hook like they don't have to be going their own way. To be. Acting. So in transit gently but they could also just be taking the signal from the US to like if the US is going to go on its own and do its own thing, and there's a leader Donald Trump pu very clearly like just wants everything for America and has shown no willingness to globally cooperate as evidenced by one and to withdraw from the world. Health Organization for example Then why would why shouldn't they go their own way if in a sense like I'm so upset about it I wish there was sort of a more Koumba ish thing right I know as as naive as that sounds. But I have trouble blaming for capitals for going their own way because they're not getting a signal at all from the US. They'll beginning any assistance down the line right and I think with China and Russia I. I think that they are at least rhetorically going to make the case or try to make it seem as if they are going to be the benevolent nation and that they are going to be giving the vaccine away and they are making a global public. Good. So they're going to be making the case much stronger than the US you know during the Cold War, the US, and the Soviet Union collaborated on you know smallpox vaccinations and part of the reason was if I'm a history correctly was sort of you know the US didn't WanNa see that. Ground to Russia they're like, well, if you're GONNA do smallpox vaccination were gonna do them to, and so it kind of forced them to work together because they didn't WanNa see ground and you could almost see away where the competition could be used productively like the US was like Whoa China you're going to do we're GonNa, do it together or something like that and so it's interesting how right you're saying that everyone's going in their own direction and you know there are there is an attempt to do sort of a cooperative thing. It's right now kind of closest thing is this thing called the Kovacs facility and it's essentially the idea is A bunch of sort of higher income countries will invest money in a lot of different vaccines and then that will help you know give some for everyone who's you know lower income countries and will go you sort of everyone gets a little bit of vaccine to get their frontline workers, healthcare workers but you know the major powers at present the United States China don't believe Russia are not involved. So that shows you where they're actually mind the actual mindset is but if you could imagine powers with a lot of resources getting behind that, how much that could actually something like that could potentially be successful. Let's paint maybe to dire picture here although. I love the pictures but there is like there's no strict firewall between a bunch of countries necessarily right. I mean granted when I talked to I believe me I'll just in public health experts but they're saying is, yes, there should be more US China cooperation and they find it insane that it's not happening or US Russia cooperation or whatever. Maybe they wish there was more but it's not like we're at zero and they're they want at least one right there is at least some cross nation. So there is a sent at least some sense of global solidarity and in research. But I think what we're talking about here is not necessarily that like you know no one is talking to each other. It's just that with whatever information countries have. They're going their own way with it, right? Yeah. I mean they're basically I mean what it is is the United States and other countries are they're basically buying these vaccine does in advance. So when they are when a vaccine is their best and a lot of different things. So in a vaccine is approved, they'll get the doses and other countries are doing the same but the idea of something like Kovacs would be all the countries would get together pool their resources and. Invest in all of the top candidates so that because it's likely talking to experts that if everyone's kind of going this way, we'll have maybe one or two. You know maybe like a vaccines around the same time and the idea would then help with the Ford Ability, which is also critical issue when we talk about the United States like what happens if you don't have health insurance all kinds of things will help to kind of make it more equitable and the ideas rather than looking at the vaccine political or diplomatic or tool it should just baby be a global public good and that's maybe a hard thing to square with geopolitics. Maybe can kind of reframe our brains and think of it. That way there could be some sort of basis for cooperation your. There's this notion that and it's coming offers mysteries that because China did delay knowledge of the coronavirus denied having anything to do with it they they delayed a bunch of things or because Russia has interfere in our election and you know try to kill spies in the UK and over parts of Ukraine like there's this belief than that there's no place for cooperation almost in any sense that the almost must have a clean break and you have to counter until they come. Back into compliance in the way we want them to and what's interesting is that when I did talk to most experts and you can hear this in the sort of biden rhetoric as well. Like, yeah, we get their bad countries like we get it but there you have to cooperate in certain areas. They keep climate change is usually in the one that comes up a lot. But one could assume that the same mentality happens here right? Like you could imagine an administration that had a mentality of like still know you can sort of separate the the bad from the the did not even good. Right fine challenge. Let's use China Challenge China entree challenge on the weaker China's Jonah. Challenge China that's like a weird tongue-twister challenged China. Hong Kong, but know that you still need space to work with tiny scientists who have access to you know pretty primary information about the coronavirus on this or to solve this problem like that shouldn't be so hard. This is somewhat of a policy choice not not. It is a policy choice by the United States to to really kind of crowd great as firewalls possible. Yeah and I'm and maybe a bit of an idealist here. But, I think part of the problem is even if China's being sort of bad actor when it comes to say the coronavirus virus vaccine, the only way to successfully punish them or isolate them would be if the US Scott with all its buddies, the European Union and you know South Korea and Japan and said like, Hey, we're all gonna get together and you know we're not only are we going to put pressure on China for its coronavirus handling but also for Hong Kong and also Like to me, that's the own. The only way to actually you know isolate is way that we can achieve any of this is through some sort of collaborative or cooperative approach and that's one of the huge problems with global health is that there is no enforcement mechanism. There's no real way to punish China for lying about the coronavirus, but the only way to even I think my personal opinion. To make it slightly more effective in terms of isolating China to make sure that it feels the consequences is everybody kind of ganged up on them and right now everyone's kind of punching from their own individual corners and China's like whatever we're gonNA. Do what we WANNA do I think that's right I mean in in the Kirby war administration, it sounds like there would be which you know. I would happily be your number two. It seems clear that like having allies on board and cry and having sort of a united front whether it's creating a vaccine or trying to get another country to changes behavior like that stronger than going at it alone writing one of the critiques of the trump administration's not only trade war against China or Iraq or new sanctions against. Russia. Whatever may be. Is that it's or you know especially acting Iran is like it's very unilateral that he can't. It won't be as strong because you're going at it alone. So having allies and partners not abandoning them. would be useful not only the geopolitical tensions we've talked about but very useful for just even the future of of maxine medications and so Maybe some sense of competition is just impossible to a race as you alluded at the start right but. Having some sort of global movement like I said the US going by itself and Astra Zeneca and University of Oxford like you could imagine those you know like a lot of those companies or universities working together and sort of across national style, and then it's like a USB you plus effort versus China, and Russia in which case one ours would probably be more efficient and widely distributed and brench stronger, and then time not only you then you get to say to Russia and China like, yes, we worked with others we made the best product. You know we look better overall at the saw-power point like we did it. We America came in again and worked with everyone to make things better the fact that we've blown that chance and didn't see in have made it more born like beyond the political stuff like healthwise more dangerous like this is going to be more dangerous right the fact that we don't have the fact that we have like, Russia out there peddling very likely nonsense and that we don't have a coordinated effort to sort of. Or. Even the conversation to get the vaccine to wear needs to go This is like I'm trying not to minimize like I think this is scary I think this is a very scary moment that we're in and frankly I don't see sort of an. The but just the sense of the the global solution to it like I just don't see your reverse. Yeah I. Think it is. It is sort of a crossroads and I think you brought up climate change before in some ways this is kind of. Maybe might be a dry run for what we would need to do in something like another s extension threat like climate change and right now we're not showing that we're doing a pretty good job at it at all. But to end on sort of optimistic note is that this is not irreversible right? Like a lot of these countries and places and this. Talks about cooperation. You know they're in their nascent stages and they can always you know change turned around and I don't necessarily know if a change in administration would do that for the united. States I certainly think Biden rhetorically will commit to things like that whether he will have a lot to deal with that home is another question I don't think. Perhaps, if we have the same administration but even if but it may and the point is it's not irreversible. We can the coronavirus is not going away anytime soon even if we get a vaccine, it's not going to be silver bullet. We still need to are still going to need to take public health measures and you know it is possible that as much as it seems right now we're taking this more nationalistic approach that. You know countries could start to see the light and the necessity of cooperating on this and I don't think it's too late I think it's we're in a precarious spot, but I don't think it's too late to kind of re commit to that, and maybe we'll get to the point of desperation where we have no choice. Gosh I WANNA be as a even that level optimistic. I'm not. Really feel like we've made a historical political scientific. Like grand mistakes here. And just based on again like it's not just American. Actions based on the actions of other countries There's just no sort of ability to put the you know Humpty dumpty back together again but I'm GonNa let I think should Kirby optimism more than mine because sorry Jen's optimism more than mine that would be better and maybe we can stop our streak of ending every worldly note on like doom and destruction. So. Thanks again for listening If you like our show, please rate subscribe wherever you get your podcast. Thank you. Jen for joining us as always great to have you on the show. I was a lot of fun Alex thanks against course and we'll see y'all Mexican.

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13: Toto Wolff: "I run a successful F1 team but that's nothing compared to what other people have achieved..."

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13: Toto Wolff: "I run a successful F1 team but that's nothing compared to what other people have achieved..."

"The presenting partner of beyond the grid. That's because foes quiet, comfort, thirty five to goes beyond what you would expect from a pair of headphones. Just flip the switch to experience the industry leading active noise reduction feature, an older structures of the world around you fade away allowing you to focus fully on what matters to you. Hi, I'm told evolve and you're listening to be on the grid. Hello TC here with another edition of beyond the great. Now, there have been many great team principles in Formula. One history names like Enzo Ferrari, Colin Chapman. Ron Dennis shown toad, but many would argue that my guest this week is worthy of being in the same company such of the things that he's achieved at the helm of Mercedes over the past few years. I'm talking of course about TOTO. Wolff total took charge the silver arrow five years ago, and the team's success has been nothing short of spectacular ever since. But success in one isn't the only thing that defines thoughtful street, which is why his story is so compelling. We sat down in his hotel room at the Singapore grand prix, which for the record was nothing, spectacular a bedroom and a bathroom. Nothing flashy, no penthouse suite for this guy. And as you'll probably notice it wasn't especially soundproof either there was. A lot of ground cover, but as expected TOTO took it all in his stride. Toucher. Welcome to be on the grades. Thank you for your time. Such toss q.. Let's kick off by talking about your site cake Nikki louder. How is he? He's on the main as you see in England. The salary replacing bows lungs squad a complex operation and he's getting better every day the the lung functions wail and he's in positive spirit. I was allowed to see him in intensive care last week, and it was super happy moment for me to see him obsolete there. The when I came in, I said, you looking better than thought, and he replied Nikki style with a very rude comment. Can I say actually protest or. Which was. Oh, many greasy, no nominee not. This is the best outside of ever heard in my life because it showed me that Nikki's big. It's a really interesting AA. You and Nikki isn't it up. I'm not putting words and she miles, but was he a hero of us when you're growing up? When he was doing its thing as Dr. As when I came into Formula one night looked at it less from the fan side more from the business side. So Nikopolidis the most iconic was gin and. The greatest personalities in former ones. Obviously, he was a common name and we have family relation and actually he's the causing of my ex wife. So I knew him for a long time, but we never got to work each. We'd each other and when dime now decided they one of those with us to get in this venture to go until we actually am a synchronized. And but after that year, the relationship stronger and stronger. We have very complementary Tom's of strengths and weaknesses, and now it's been the sixty year and we've not only triggered to most of the races together, but we have become friend and complete the aligned in our lives as to where we see the team should develop an insofar. It's Niki not being, here's a little bit like America LEGO. But you've now being team principal for was at five years. Let's just talk about that time. I said a long, five years or short five. For me, it is a long, five years because what I've been doing before my top was having great diversity in terms of the project, the various companies and investing in she nature investing in one day you need to exit new sale. You sell the team, but you said the company and he are have a situation where where I'm why launch myself into something, which I can actually see myself being in ward long-term, but I take it as it comes. It's it's a sixty mile with Maceda's. And before that been three years with Williams and I still enjoy what I do, but I I like to continue to enjoy the ride and and see what I can strengthen the team. And if on they, I would feel that Amita not enjoying it on more or can contribute in the way I would expect massive to do so than I would do something. So the current contract is until twenty twenty. I'm all right. You're right. And if it was a driver contract, we'll be asking about now you thinking of renewing. We've had a lot of simul chat recently. Where are you at with the job and re-signing with with Mercedes' I guess the difference between driver and myself is dead when we invented to structuring two thousand at the end of two thousand twelve. One of the key fundamentals was becoming a shareholder and endow fog by investing in the team. It is not the mental of contract running out and then embarking on a new venture. But it is to be a more structured approach and I feel extremely all not to be a partner with dime LA in in-depth from one team. And insofar we have decided that next year we're going to look at things. We want to continue beyond twenty, but it's not about the contract turning out days just this more fundamental. Questions to be asked. As in just about where Formula one is all timeless commitment to Formula. One is that, is that what you're referring to know? It is more that I always try to meet my own expectations. And as long as I, as I said before, as long as I think that I can meet them and I can, I can contribute to the team success all the teams, Johnny. It's not always an upward journey and brand in Formula one then then I would think it would like to continue, but. World is moving so fast, and that's why don't want to take a decision today for what I would be starting thinking over the winter, what you have taken the job. Back in two thousand twelve, the job is, would you have taken it? Had you not been offered? A share of the team was how fundamentals. It was very from the mental for the ball of timely in myself. They, they wanted to restructure the team was being run, and they are thinking was that it needed a managing partner that would. That would take some risk that would have skin in the game, and therefore invest into the team and also make all decisions on track might initial clover corporation has a different structure needs to have a different structure and us more racing team and insofar it was a win win. This is what they expected for the new for the new organizational set of something that I, that was absolutely vital for me of being in the capital of the team. So what is your management style? First of all, I don't think that anybody should speak about their own management style because this is the beginning of losing the plot. And, and you can't really define it on a single sentence. I think managing managing organizations very much how you our human and the the singing most important. Analogy trade in in doing so is being offensive. You're the team and the people you work with need to need to be able to. Be able to. Understand what you mean. Can you be friends with people who are your employees? Everybody in the team as family and hopefully friends that he is being closed close to end. We own a journey together and why is being on the Johnny. We spent a lot of time with each other and hopefully we have a lot of common objective and by being the tuition relationships grow strong. And I would like to say that with some of the people in in nj b, but also with some some of David I've worked previously the in Williams or in the DNC managed over the. I've forged relationships that go beyond a simple working co tribute working relationship about stresses, you always have this. Harry relaxed up when you're slamming the desk, sometimes slam the desk. We see that on telly. Otherwise you seem to be very calm out. What would have been the biggest stresses, what? What gets you? What gets your goat. The racing itself, you're the thump thing is not the, maybe the doesn't make me look. Most intelligent wells whilst it's happening. But it's again, it's, it's me, I'm I'm getting. I'm getting angry when we lose a position and emotionally involved than passionate. But beyond the the qualifying and racing situation. I think it's important to not forget it, but we do spot. It's not politics and and it's a fides palton to kind of have derived calibration and not take yourself or what we do too seriously. And there is there is a few outstare independent that have either on that for a long time. I haven't seen any other Lama business environment that maybe struggle to have the kind of right calibration. That's really interesting. Can you put some names on that. No, and I wouldn't. You know, it's just my opinion in my perception that I wouldn't do them Justice because of of the everybody's trying to do the best possible job and and my opinion is in this Sally would mature. What about what about those stressful moments talked to us about Nico in Lewis. For example, what was the most stressful moment when roseburg and Hamilton were going hammer and tones, and how did you keep it a little nettle because he did. It was very interesting because the team and myself, we grew into the situation when I joined the team, we we, we were, we were capable of scoring podiums of based. And then in two thousand thirteen. We, we started to win races, but it was Rhonda not. We didn't see that coming. So. It was either one or the other. We didn't have a situation that both drivers were actually fighting for championship, which has become a thought, which then became a totally different ballgame. And you realize that both of them are complete for drivers. Both of them want to tamed to win a championship. Nobody. None of them exploded in fundamental to, and this is a little bit like volcano that has started to shake, and then eventually erupt every everything control the grew into of into something bigger, and that became quiet quite a distraction for the team to manage. What about you personally them. Because you have to assume right down the middle with both of them. Oh, what did you find yourself sort of wanting to lean towards one more than the other? Or does it get complicated like that emotionally. Because we are humans it or gets complicated emotionally because a times you like one more than the other in, it's completely that is completely normal. But I had a discussion with Allen post back in two thousand fourteen which gave me a good good learning. And I asked him the question. What went wrong between humans say that too great drivers than had sole relationship breaking down and ending in collision on track. And he said, the biggest problem for him was the transparency of the management. The never knew what the agenda of the senior management in mclamb was you never knew what you were out whether you were the flavor of the month, not by the politics against you or not. And what I try to implement very early in the team is was the Altima transparency. We talk about things. Sometimes it's the unconvenient truce, you'd things you don't wanna hear and over time and over the years, we've got the noise other betta in which we started to trust each other and the uncomfortable truth is something that can be very helpful in order to achieve your objectives and and you just put it all out and sometimes you agree, but sometimes you walk off the table and you agreed to these agree. I love that sentence by the way in England. Only only English could invent such as it doesn't translate into, Jim doesn't translate into any other language. Am the agreed to these agree and then at least understand the other standpoint debt is very important, and this is how we handled the situation. We've Nico and Louis and it wasn't me alone. But in the process, there were many others in team than dead were really helpful and managed in the same way. I, I did g feel that Lewis has grown since Nico left the team is it's the lowest Hamilton. We're saying today the same as the one that was losing the world championship to Nico Rosberg. What is inspirational with Lewis is that he's a personality that tries to grow on and off track all the time. Beyond allies, older sports shortcomings and over the six years I've been working with him. He's become stronger. He knows what he wants, he's obviously become old. Oh, so. But for me, the most important point in our relationship was discussion we had after the falling out between him and Nico. At the end of the two thousand sixteen season. We ended up in my house off the Christmas party of the team and discussed everything. The what I call it before the inconvenient twos and and it ended up in a few hours of discussion since stain. Our relationship has become very strong and we are able to speak to each other many times every week, and we're able to just discuss things even even even sometimes they'll quote to discuss g failure. Relationship with him has become. The right word is it almost paternal now. When I would hope that he doesn't see me in paternal road. I, I'm too young to be hotter, and he has one that is has played a huge contribution on contributed hugely into into his career. No contemplates the foul of course, but I think I'm in my role advocate would be a better word than sort of more like an uncle you experience you have. What are you? Forty? Six. You have a lot of worldly experience, not just in Formula one and feel Lewis feeds of that. Here's a pretty cool. Wailed happen the no, no, I think I'm different. I'm am running to team and in function I am responsible, but because our relationship has become much dimensional, we're not only talking about the racing in the organization. We talk about peace fashion venture and my investments and family, and and this is important because the better you know, the, the person with whom you on the same Johnny distraught relationship gets how k. Is lowest your plans going forward? We how nervous where you with coming into the recent negotiations that have seen him re-sign. I mean, had he decided to disappear and go and do something else. We genuinely worry, like I said to you before we do sport, I'm I'm never anxious anxious a worried about anything. But Louis has become a very important pillar in the team over the last six years, they a drive out with his with his capabilities who has been very infringed in the team over the last six years has grown into the team would have been a disruption. And I think that in a tough championship like this year, stability is a factor going forward. So I think from his end from my perspective, we always tried hard to come to a solution and we actually never doubted that we would. He has a lot else going on. I mean, just coming into the Singapore grand prix, he's being, whereas he being since monster, he's being to Shanghai to launch a clothing collection. He's been to New York. He's he's busy guy. Do you worry that he might just wake up one day and ring you and I talked to, I don't. I don't wanna do this anymore. I've got too much else going on. As I said to you, he's very, has very many interests and was Newseek when we started to get into the fashion has become an important. Part of his life. And when I see him enjoying designing his own collection and and presenting the Shanghai last week, it makes me super happy because if he's in a good place, and if we played a tiny role in in making him achieve debt, that means that are not only our relationship is strong, but also he will come to Singapore in in a in a bed frame of mind. And we had this discussion already five or six years ago. People asked me, how can you allow that he traveled from Shanghai to New York bag and then races in Singapore, and my response is still the same. We should not put anybody in a box and be judgmental just because it doesn't work for us flying around the world and then driving a race car, managing team effectively doesn't mean that it doesn't work for him. It works for him. He's a fall time world champion. He's from you to strongest driver of the courage. Ration- and insa five's not necessarily for me to interview. She think he's driving better this year than ever before. Where we say that every every time. But I think he's driving his has been exceptional over the last few years. I don't see any any mistakes anymore, and if I've seen him a tiny, but the again, they are, we discuss them and he wouldn't be leading the world championship against a very strong Ferrari team in the very strong Sebastian fifthly, he would if you wouldn't be an exceptional racing driver. Okay. Now that's that's enough about Louis great character. Great driver the DA's. Let's let's go back to to you. Talk to you have a chief d- some amazing things always feel very inadequate talking to you have to say, cause I look at what you've achieved in your life, and I got God. What about being doing for the last forty? Three years, but just talk through some of the stuff you achieve, what? What is your proudest achievement today? Eight can be racing outside a racing. First of all, I feel flat that when you when you say that, but I think you have done pretty well. Title, and then you about achievements of somebody who is in his forties because we own journey and we try. I really try to be a better meet tomorrow and, and the next year try to grow as a as a human and and a somebody in void in India intimacies if one team. But you know, every day Luke mischief in the mirror, and I'm annoyed about things that the wrong and insofar enjoyed a journey and Formula one is, is what I do now, but the. You know, there's plenty other people to compare yourself out there that have done much better or have been much more have had an impact on the world have changed the way that not works have played a fundamental role in in in for the environment are involved in politics, your strength, chance allies. In his early thirties. I'm not even talking about the the great people in Silicon Valley who have provided as with all these new from tastic digital of towards so women. I running from one team that is successfully at its, that's great, but it's a tiny, tiny little things about in comparison to what other people achieved. So what gets you out of bed in the morning, then the stop watch. I mean festival and my wife gets me out of bed because if I lightly and I'm not a morning person in person, she she comes into room with a little one and says where it's time to get up and there's no chance to escape it. But I do you press news. Is that the first thing you do on your alarm prices news? No, Dan, dare I'm too I feel responsible again. And does this have this. I can pretend to sleep at the time, but then eventually you have to get up in a household that is busy and and and and being a team that has many people seep on that is already Christian. I would just won't gets you out of bed in the morning. You've achieved so much. I mean the statistics and case people since you took over Mercedes, there have been eighty six pole positions and seventy two wins. I mean, it's an extraordinary record. A lotta people would argue, you've got nothing else to prove running a racing team. You say it's the stop watch that gets you out of bed still. Yes. It's the stop watch to be part of an organism organization and form a team that can be successful long-term after beyond the single individual. Beyond me beyond James Ellison, make it a a machine that runs because the strengths go so deep into the bays of the team, growing young talented. That is that is that is there and giving them empowering them. This is what what I enjoy doing. But at the same time, the seventy also wins on how many was it. It is seventy two wins and counting the past, what counts to Singapore in three days. And that worries me and it drives me to to win the next races to do better to hopefully in the hunt for another championship. The past will be nice to watch one day when when when I called it a day and would make a big lime below and say, this was the record. Then let's look at the number anti whether it was successful or not. But whilst is running. I am. I don't look at any of these districts. You'll father passed away when you were fifteen a my right? Yup. What sort of an impact did that have on you at the time, and does it still have an impact on you? Today's there at some level? Is that does that help your motivation today? I think it is. It is of very big motivation because if. Child or teenager, Sophos from trauma. That is something that is that becomes part of you and channeled in the right way. It became become a great driver. But I'd rather spe- any child or teenage on to lose a parent because obviously the psychological impact is enormous and it was for me. How did it affect you at the time? Did it because you a studying the Lisa for save in in Vienna? Did you do anything rash? Did you what happened next if you like. Again, he, it was very traumatic to to lose my father and and we wear in now. Very complicated in very complicated financial situation because he was he was in for almost ten years and died when he was forty forty one years old forty one years old. So that was complicated. I think it formed me. But again, I tried to reference to what others have gone through and and. My. These years where I do a very traumatic and difficult, but I wasn't the only child to whom that happened in so far. So even a you said, a difficult financial position at home, so you thought you become a racing drawn. Though most expensive sport in the world to me through that that happened much later. I wasn't following any racing BIC them, but when we made the driving license or just before arriving nice friend of friend of ours to the group of maids out for a weekend to Amsterdam, don't ask what we were going to. Yeah, but on the way back we stopped Nurburgring where very friend of mine Philip pita was competing in formula three in German from three championship. He was a fron Rana he will. He became an works driver lead on and from the moment I came into the paddock and then looking looking at the cars and and being of the grief, I caught the buck. And what was it that was so intoxicating about why? What was it about that. It was the man able or not to control his machine. And it felt like led the modern Gluck lady gladiators, and this is west must have. I wanna become a racing driver. I need to get to see how can how that can be done. How old were you the time? I was seventeen. Okay. So how did you then go about it? I mean, as I say, it's not just buying a pair of football boots and the bowl is it's, how do you even begin? I began by. Making a Christmas birthday Christmas and birthday wish list. So it was two years in rose, was four gifts into one, and and I'm asking my family, whether they would pay me a racing school and it was so expensive. So I need to combine them to Christmases into two birthdays and I went to the water Lechner racing school on the old reported ring. And spend the two three days. They are racing former afford Council, Learn how to drive home of the Ford cars, and that went WALE. And it was it became clear, this is what I wanted to win. Then I, I was going out trying to find sponsorship in all the to Ford racing said that then became the go, you don't. You did the the wool, too late narration school. And then like so many of these young guys coming through that became the all consuming passion that became the oil consuming passion I couldn't afford since he is the beginning. So I was doing thing that was called to see at ABC Cup, bought myself a sea of abuser, which also became your old car, and and this is how I grew into it. And then I worked for delays as an instructor on inch Peterberg for a few years and and became a one of the front-runners India stern in German former the four. I went to New Zealand and it started like a. Like a. Positive little racing career, how good way. Whereas will sitting here hotel room and I'm involved in the management of team, obviously in order not out there driving a car, obviously not good enough, but there are a lot of guys who aren't one driving's Amin erased against good guys, and it was a pretty stellar period. I Germany and Australia wasn't it at the time. You know, you one racist don't be modest. I think people would be genuinely interested to know and then later on which will come to you what you one rallies and GT races. And I think I got myself to a point that I was able to fight for wins in Formula Ford and Beckton. The German former for championship was like though I would say her and. Formula four or from lavar no euro Cup. He was quite a strong championship, but I ran out of money as sponsor, stopped financing after the say, nine vending incidents in nineteen ninety four. And this is why I stopped all Mary thing activities also because I saw some of the young guys coming up that it clearly had more background and a lot of talent. Alex vote is somebody that I, that I mentioned in the past, but there was also Nick Heidfeld. He just started his racing when I when I was my last year in formula fault and you could immediately see that these kids with different, what were they doing different? They were just faster straight from the get goal. Even in India, rookie seasons. I remember Nick Heidfeld was was running from Ford. Sixteen hundred m in a field of eighteen hundred. So the best sixteen hundred would qualify midfield at best and we had rain an elite qualifying and solid and his tiny little. Boy, I don't know how old he was. Put his sixteen hundred formula fourteen the second role. And so you could see there were there were some that were more special. Does a key that you never made it as a driver? Nope, I don't think so. I think so far. Forty, six years old. My racing career would have been finished almost ten years now. I did okay for myself. I had. I don't think I could have achieved anything similar racing driver, but you did go on after the racing career and had a very successful business current. What was it? Can you destroyed some light on on what it was that you did between racing career and starting in Formula? One. Matured soon. Your podcast is long enough, but when I stopped racing nine hundred ninety four because I couldn't finance it anymore. Couldn't find any sponsorship anymore. I called it a day midseason and I'm always always radical. What I'm thinking decision enough taken the opinion. This is why this is and and I went to work for Bank in Warsaw. So what an extreme. Yeah, from a racing car into a trading floor of a Bank in Walser was pretty extreme and was tough to swallow. I can tell you, I miss driving, did he miss the adrenaline of it? And I missed your journal in a little bit, but. I felt that I was told as a racing driver ready, but then at least I was much younger than everybody else in the Bank. And this kept me going and from then on like credit created a little business. And never followed racing until many. Many years later ninety ninety nine was five years in between where friend of mine cold knee and said with this fund raise the six hours of, I think it was garnering Renault in a BMW three up for it said, I haven't driven racing car since five years come on, let's do together. And this is hard came back on tourists in driver and enjoyed myself. Tell me if I'm wrong. But I I've read that you've spent some time on the west coast of America and you saw AOL and companies like that growing and you took that no help back to Austria. It was that way you had you biggest successes in business. It started actually a little bit earlier because I was running my my own trading company, and one of our main customers went into administration and the only way of saving our our debt and outstanding outstanding debt was was to buy that company. And this is the first time I got in touch with mergers and acquisitions and actually got interested, how'd it functioned and pretty much at the same time, then I'm I went to the US the east coast actually in state there for months, and this was the time it must have been nineteen ninety seven hundred ninety eight where these first American internet. Companies appeared. Netscape America Online and started to get an interest, went back to Austria and realized that there was a little very young little group entrepreneurs to in exactly the same on a much more scale in Australia. And what I did is I invested in the businesses not really with money because I didn't have that much, but it was more consultancy against chairs and unbelievably the the the internet picked up and the stock exchanges in America, NAS Tak. And in Europe, the the Neuer Markt where we're going through the roofs and and and his little this little struck just at one even companies, but just at bride idea. All on a website became companies, grew had proper in praise and released them on the stock exchange. And from one man show consultancy against equity became an investment company with proper people, and we had. Offices or around Europe and became one of the success for German speaking venture capital companies. And that was March fifteen. Yes, we called it March fifteen. I ask why it's cope March fifteen or Lovie. It's not office. We had a PR company that failed. We needed cooed sounding name and this is what they came up. It was day. We found that the company on March fifteen on March fifteen. And so the company, Mt sixteen yeah, you know, I'm very creativity and so I called every follow up company echoed much sixteen on next March on with. So, okay. So that's those biggest successes than you. You're racing is an amateur and then Williams? Yeah, took us focus through that. So you became a shareholder in two thousand and. I'm looking at you in the nine. There was a much more important. Event before when when I got when I was involved in rallying, I had, I had some fun with them enjoying myself and ACOG rallying his is an exceptional sport is Martin to striving files, but it's also. Experience and intelligence enjoyed myself, and I was a core shareholder with him with with somebody else, and it was. It was a nice little company to grow, and I was besides doing that, I was also spot in young racing drivers failed that what I didn't have. I wanted to provide to others who had the talent and I, I helped them young Canadian driver called Bruno Spangler who is the GM driver? Aleksandar point mom who was the fron Rana in in formula three, you one Macau. Raise did you to against Louis and was pretty successful and by doing so I got to know the Mercedes junior program and the managers of Mercedes junior program, and we decided to join forces and in co-invest with each other into these young drivers and and off the yield to one of those manages to me union based. Have you never thought about buying them Mercedes VM team, and I was surprised that it was up for sale because I thought it was owned by Maceda's and they said, no, no, no. It's not owned by Mercedes his own Mr.. Alfred who is the founder from m. g. the aid from 'em Mr. alpha, and it's a company with two hundred fifty employees. It's pretty solid and doing lots of redeveloping lots of race cars, not on a deem why don't you invest in the team got the Nomi stall and dead was really one of the greatest personalities I've ever met in my life and an and amend. He became a main th- of mine and all friend of mine. And maybe I can give a little bit back as being the mental now. So they're always have reworked reversed seventy nine today. And he allowed me to co invest in this from tastic company called h. w. in about forty nine percent and be grew it and grew it and listed on the stock exchange because this was part of my investment strategy and and so I got involved in deem and by getting involved in DM I took an interest in formula woman and looked looked at Formula one and one day Williams appeared and I visited them spend that they spend the day are and the first meeting I'm, I saw Frank. He said, I was told that you can help me repay my mortgage. And I said, yeah, I, I'd like to buy some shares and he said, okay, let's discuss what they are worse. This is what I need in order to repay my mortgage and and then joined Patrick and myself as she hours of Williams and he would go, it was a straightforward as that with Frank, Frank and Patrick, a straight talk us Frank is was always very clear and what what is objective where and I don't think anybody needs to talk how straight talking Patrick is sometimes too straight talking, but he knows it and we had a supposed to start with my former one adventure as an as an investor as a non executive director. I was listening much more than I was contributing at the beginning in two thousand nine and got involved with Formula one. We, what part of the were you part of the executive board that choice to to to float on the Frankfurt stock. Exchange at Williams? Yes. Would he do that again today straight from the beginning found a great partner in Etem par who was the CEO Beck at the time in Williams who a we had. We had joined vision how we wanted to develop the team. He has the executive Horon it and mean, and in a non executive function as a as a shareholder and part of the deal and part of my struck investment structure was always to list the companies on the stock exchange in order to provide access to more capital in in case it was needed to give it more visibility to allow investors to buy shares who were before not able to buy shares in a former one team and also possibility for me to exit one day if I wanted easier to exit a public company in private company and and shareholders and Adam Powell up for it. So we went and immunized to do selling the shelves in. Frankfurt, but would you do the same now in terms of the the way Williams's foot Sheen's slightly suffering the minute g. feel less dynamic because they're Republic company as a public company always have more scrutiny and and if you are micro cap, like William's sister kind of stock that is is relatively smaller than as little liquidity there, some bounces, but I believe it gives a transparent value to Williams today as a public company. It provides them with easier access to finances. If Williams wear to issue new capital today, they could easily do it over the stock exchange, and it's much more difficult to do it privately. So insofar I think it was the right thing to do for the shareholders back then and today. Now I asked you about your proudest achievement and I want to suggest one race to you. I think it was Austria, twenty fourteen where effect. Wli your cars finished first, second, third, and fourth to Mercedes first. And second than to Williams, third, fourth, Jim member, that race, I remember exactly and it's the only trophy apart from the constructed championship trophy that I actually have in my office. It's not the nicest trophy, but it is a toll fee that has so much value for me personally because each Bill Beck, it's all started for me in the with wealth late. Now, with the water Lechner racing scores, the endless laps, I did they're walking and instructing out of people and and really not having an idea of where my life would leave me. And then eventually I ended up in two thousand fourteen as being a shallow of those teams because I didn't say my shells back then and we finished under I four positions, and I remember a drove the car back to the that Sunday evening a trip, which I did hundreds of times, and I realized that I was just. Involved into teams that finished in the top four positions in Formula one world championship. And that was a moment that was really, really special for me. It's been an amazing career on and off track, but d- miss the investment side of things. Now. Do you still buy sale by sale for the first hour every night? Yes, I miss it a lot. I have a great friend of mine who has picked up the baton without investments and who advises invite as my sale advises our investment companies while to do some still involved an and watching what happens. But it's something that I that then the diversity of investments I miss of, I still tried to to be actively involved in in some of the fund management. We have a great shareholding in the brokerage company that I enjoy following and and looking at the markets of, I'm I to get actively. We, we look at what the stock equity markets doing in the bond markets and do it every day at the financial times. This is my I read in the morning. And then dive into racing. 'cause and coming back home in the evening, maybe Beck into the investment world g think you'll business experience has helped you navigate through the sort of potential potholes of the Formula one paddock. They just two different things. It's two very different things in terms when it comes down to running team, but former one as a business f- way I'm one liberties business is something which is much closer to what I've done in the past at the end of the ball to growing growing business and generating margin, and this is what I've what I've done all my life. So maybe that additional angry of the DVD's I've done the twentieth before I joined Formula. One is something that is that it that is helpful, but it's not helpful at all. When the lights go green. What about in terms of enjoyment, which part of your life? If you enjoyed the most the business bit buying sending companies or the Formula one bit nine forty six year old for six years old and the the part that I enjoyed Moses. Actually my family. I have to bond the for kids in that teenagers. And as far as they let participate in the life, a really enjoyed it. And Susan, I haven't having been one and a half year old way will try to spend a lot of lot of time with with him before I flew to Singapore to come out in the park and in Oxford for for an hour, and these things have never done in the past and really love it. And then obviously having a wife like Susie who is equally and beaches, and driven and knowledgeable in our business is really the the fundamental happiness of my life. Then there's a big gap and then former one and investments come and because I'm running a former wanting to the former one is a priority and investment a little bit like a Hobie. Let's talk more about wife Sese. She's just become a team principal actually in our own right and formula e that must lead to some pretty interesting pillow took in the wolf household. Yes, it does. And it's good from yours because she's been in his body for longtime on marriage. She she from go karting to formula three. And then GM she's always followed her pass, and that is pretty perations for me or so because she had so many moments in her life where looked like this that it was the end, but she she keep pushing through and and here she is partnering with the g. lupus pasta who's a great entrepreneur and and running running into and Doug since it started. The the Johnny we cross each other at home, she's leaving and I'm coming, but the dime we together, we enjoy very much. We the pillow talkies about motoracing. What that if advices, there's one bit of advice you can give her as she goes on this next journey as team principal, what what advice would you give? Actually she doesn't need the device because she has. She has her own opinion. And she said to me that she needs to go through her own learning phase and make mistakes for her to progress as a as a as an entrepreneur in that environment. But obviously she, we are, we are. We almost ten years would each other nauseous followed. She's been part of what I've been doing from DM to to Williams and Maceda's and because multi-race his moderating investment is what we talked for. Seven, twenty four, seven at home. Some of the some of the things, some of the opinion shoes taken bother gates. What do you guys get up to in your free time? I've, if do you have any free time. Do you talk to? I mean, I looked at your Shedu and it just doesn't stop. Yes, we, we have free time you. You took. You took Jack to the paw for an hour. That's a hands on dad, but I mean, it's not a long time. Is it nobody? It was. It was a, it was a great and to describe today and left is a good example. I was working came home to the little one to the park for Nala with the with the foot board left Mitsuzawa Heathrow, an early runs, our DM team. We had an hour and a coffee shop. They're discussing demon formula e. of she went to Monaco to run her from eighteen and jumped on the plateau flied onto Singapore. But the time we spend with each other as quality time. And of course we have the, we have the free weekends in trying to use every minute as good as we can. And and because the marriage is the fundamental basis of all relationships in the family, we look after our. Marriage and we weeks spend time together relief for the old weekends together. We have fantastic grandparents in Suzy's, Suzy's parents and salient in John who who fantastic come the comfort a week and and and spend time with the little Jack and two weeks ago. Suzanne, I decided spontaneously to to go off on the beach for three days in Italy and spent just time her and myself because before the crazy final third of the former one-season stop says, crabbing moments whenever you can't. That's how how you live your life being Australian and spending some time in Switzerland yoga scare. Are you what else restraints go, skiing, skiing will. It means I perceive myself as an okay ski. But if some of my clothes school friends would listen to the podcast, they would say what my skin is not as great as it could be. But yeah, we tried to keep healthy lifestyle and go to the gym. We have fantastic place in Berkeley where and which would funny trainers where we can train and Suzy's into this as well. And we outdoor outdoor people go mountain biking and walk around, and this is something that is that is keeping his hands. He for the Jani k will tie eight Spain. Fantastic. Speak t- thank you very much for your time. I've got one final question and it's one of always wanted to ask you. Have you ever been to Africa? Have you ever met ago? Coup Roseanna. Benign, please. Eighties music gigs aside, I've found this very enlightening what a journey Toto's being on from the trauma of losing his father to being a racing driver and investor. And now one of the most successful team principals ever and it was great to hear that Nikki louder is making progress following his double lung transplant as well. TOTO. Thanks for your time. That's it for another week, but don't panic. We have another f one megastar for you next week. Make sure you don't miss it or any other episode of beyond the grid by subscribing where I will vote casts Spotify and your favorite Pok cast app, and please keep in touch using the hashtag f one b on the grid. Also, MIR tweet at Tom clocks one. We love receiving your comments and feedback beyond the greatest produced by one in association with audio until next time. Keep it flat out.

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"I'm Not Working Because I'm Debt Free But I'm Having FOMO"

The Ken Coleman Show

45:57 min | 1 year ago

"I'm Not Working Because I'm Debt Free But I'm Having FOMO"

"Setting the pace on the pursuit of happiness. This is the Ken Coleman show where you discover what you were born to do and how to make it happen now. Helping you get unstuck and on the path to your dream job. Ken Coleman Live from Ramsey Studios. In Nashville you are joining a conversation about who. Oh you are what you were created. Do where you want to do it and how you can get there. It's about you because you you were created to fill unique role that means you are very much needed but it also means that you have to do it somebody out there need you to be you and so we are all about the business of helping you get clear on the age old question. What should I do with my life and I'm telling you you were created to work work not just to make money so you can take care of your basic needs? No no no you should be living to work to create a contribution to this world. That's where meaning comes from and that's what we're here to help you with eight. Four four seven four seven two five five seven seven eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven. Let's help you get clear on your sweet spot is. That's where what you do best and what you love to do. Most I come together. You use those skills and talents and strengths to do work that you love and that creates a result that matters deeply deeply to you. Eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven the number eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven the email to the show. Ask Ken Coleman and Dot Com. We start off with Jeremy. WHO's on the line in Dayton Ohio? Jeremy you're on the Ken Coleman show. Hi Kim thank you for having me on the show and thank you for taking my call. Aw sure how can I help today. My question really is kind of in line with the whole premise of your show I'm really trying to figure out if my current roles a good fit for me and if there's something else that God's calling me to do and I'm stuck trying to figure that out right now I think there's something that you believe. God's calling you to do do and you're just a little bit uncertain about how to get there and that's why you're calling me to just see if this is bad pizza and you should stay in your current role is that what's really really going on. Yeah I think I mean I think that's pretty close I have a couple ideas but You know sometimes I struggle with understanding if It's my plan for my life forever. It's God's plan for my life well and that's kind of mattering well. Let's talk about the ideas before we get into the ideas. Do the ideas make you very very very excited when you think about him. Yeah some of them. Do not have the talent before we get to it or creating a little drama here but malicious. Let's put put it to the test. Do you have the talent just the raw talent to be able to pull these things off. Well I think I have some the talents and I think I can do the work but I guess my reservation is is I. Am I going to still have the same kind of meaning from it because what I do now I help people in a more A manager of a non on profit you know how people disabilities work in the community. Yeah and I get a lot of rewards from that Yeah Yeah I get that but again we'll get to commit so you have the talent to pull these things off. The question is And I think he just identified it. You're not one hundred percent sure if it will bring you the joy and the passion that you have right now that's what we're really talking about. Correct yeah so let's put it at least the what the rewarding part four. I feel like I'm helping people in a tangible way. Okay well let's talk about these ideas. What are these with these two ideas or whatever you feel God maybe calling to what are they defining so? My background is In Psychology Clinical Mental Health Counseling and a little bit in career planning and I really have a passion for Doing Personal Finance Career Coaching And using assessments or metric style people kind of looking at a life so very similar to some of the stuff that you guys talk about Bersani specimen so pause. Do you not think that those those roles whether it be financial help or career help. Do you think that those have tremendous value to people. I do of course so. Is there not award there knowing that you're going to help some turn. Somebody's life around whether it be financially or professionally. Yes there is a rumor there. I guess it's almost like it's too easy. It's too good like I can't no then you're thinking much okay. Then you're just over thinker. Yes all right so the answer is it does it. Does it provide rewarding work. Do either one of those provide rewarding work. Is there anything else that you're considering or is that that was the area the general direction well will die in just figuring out how it's like to be your own kind of entrepreneur. That's exactly right but that's not what you call it about so so now we're now you've got some fear in there which I understand. But here's the deal. You're going to do those things on the side. You're going to have to launch those things and build those things all on the side because those are entrepreneurial ventures being a career coach. There's no firm of career coaches out there but there are not many and so you're going to build that clientele on your our own. Same thing if you get into financial coach now if you get into because you mentioned mental health as background. I'm I'm not sure that's where you wanna go but if you were to go that direction you certainly. After getting qualified it could go to work for an existing place where people come for counseling So in that scenario you would not have to do that on your own but again you called called gone a how do I know if this is something. God's calling me to Or is just my ideas and the answer is does it make your heart sing does do you get excited about the idea. Area of helping people their finances or their career and you answer debt unequivocally yes so folks. This is really important as a lot of you out there like Jeremy. You're questioning questioning what you're hard telling you because ultimately you're a little bit scared and so you're trying to come up with some rationale that might make the the decision a lot easier so donor think your heart is telling you that this would be great. That's all confirmation. You need need because God put that in your heart. Let's go to Ashley. WHO's on the line in Saint Louis Missouri Ashley on the Ken Coleman Show? Hi Ken how are You my question. Good how are you good. What's going on So my question was is. I had an interview with a company that I would really like to work for back in July. And I had a phone interview or two phone interviews and then three in personal interviews and then and after like two months I got a decline email but I I had noticed that the job would still posted and so I finally. Oh you've reached out because I had two friends that work there and reach out to the HR manager and they said that the job was still available but they we had some reworking. But I'm not sure what else I can do. Because it's a company that I know that would give me like everything I want but you were declined run. They already passed you over for the job right. So you're did they. Did they change something about the the job itself at Dell makes you a better candidate I don't I don't know really told me whether another one I ask you all right so you ask me. Whether or not you should reapply. Is that what I'm getting getting from you. Yeah do I reapply or doing Lonnie Eleni I'm going to say let it go but I would talk to your friends. Who Work there there in the building? They got the inside scoop. Tell them to go get more inside scoop and ask if it's changed and if the changes make better qualified yes if not let it go move on. This is the Ken Coleman show. I'm so excited about our three free resources that can calm in dot com. It's about helping you get the job that you're looking for here. Are the three resources how to write the perfect resume five ways to fix your resume and land your dream job. This guide helps you understand that a resume without a relationship is worthless. We're going to teach you how to flip the resume with an actual template so you lead with who you know. Then you're going to get a phone call or an email and this takes shooter. The next step how to win the interview five strategies on standing out in the hiring process folks you have to win the interview and we walk you through the five things you need to prepare therefore so you can perform and get the job and finally you get Ken touch point timeline. Five steps for following up after the interview. These steps are so often and left up by so many on the hiring path and it's important to follow up finish strong now you can get all three get hired resources for free at Ken. Coleman DOT COM. Don't wait a second gonNA. Ken Coleman Dot Com and get hired. Helping you get unstuck and then on the path to doing meaning for this is the Ken Coleman show. I'm kid so excited happy with us. Hey let's take control your Mondays again. Let's not be controlled by anxiety. Panic overwhelmed toxicity. All the stuff that comes with going into workplace place on Monday that Just makes you put it into coast mode. I'm just GonNa Coast. I gotTa get through. I just gotTa make it to happy hour on Friday at fill my weekend with enough exciting activity that it offsets the drudgery of the week. Think now this is the real life experience at work for seventy percent of Americans and it's tragic. It's tragic not just because it's so pathetically pitiful and not a way to live life but it's also tragic because it doesn't have to be that way we are in the greatest job economy in the history of this nation right now now. It's not a political statement that's an actual fact. We still have more jobs available in the United States right now that we have people who are unemployed as a result companies are lowering standards. What's that have previously been in place like a college degree and tons of experiences? Also we'll train you on the job which good people so don't buy the lie that you're stuck in the job that you're in that you fell into for the rest of your working career and you just got to make it through. Hopefully you get a raise. It's up to you. Eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven is the number eight four four seven four seven two five live seventy seven. Let's go to tim on the line in Portland Tim. You're on the Ken Coleman show. Hi Ken I was just wondering what in my next passed. Ask for a career choice would be construction right now. But I'm finding more of a people person and it's Kinda it's kind of a drill to come in on mundane just work. Yeah what do you want to do. I think you have an idea. What is it what would you love to do or give me a general idea the type of thing that that would give you the the juice because you're dealing with people all day every day for I know people give me juice because I volunteer at a place every week. And I get to talk with a lot of people just chatting with people. I get more energized to win. I talk with people. What kind of conversations are you having? And then let's go a step deeper for what kind of conversations would you love to have that you know would make a difference. In the lives of people it would be serving them in some way I think somehow how teaching them something they or showing them a different way to where they could that can help them out all right tired. Or if they're gonNA make sense it makes sense dance. I want confident Tim for the next minute or so. Can you give me confident. Tim Can go. 'cause I think confident confident. Tim knows what he would love to do. Your little bit scared to say it because you don't know if you know how to get there or maybe you doubt whether or not you got the chops to do it. Let's assume that both so those things are false. What is it you love do tomorrow? No risk and you wouldn't have to lock in for thirty years but I give a team tomorrow. What would you be doing? How would should be helping people by communicating and connecting? I've thought about teaching before But teaching scares me. Because I didn't ask you that way you don't get to do that. That's not confident. Tim Confident Tim is it scared. You promised me and the audience heard you say you're going to be confident Tim. So I'm GONNA interrupt you every time you slip into that nonsense now. You've already said teaching. I expected you to say what you were going to be teaching and who you would be teaching to. That's what I thought I was GONNA here and you're about ready to say and then seized up l.. Tim Who would you wanNA teach. What would you want to teach him say it of? We'll figure out the path to get their next children in. It is probably what I was thinking. Oh now tim. How hard was that? It was sitting there the whole time. What's the story you don't know how to get there? I love history. I love learning but also interacting with kids right so you would love to teach history. So let's let's let's talk about what just happened. You just got clear that is stage one on realizing the dream if we talk about Mount Everest is your dream climbing the mountain. It happens happens in stages stage one is getting clear your clear you were scared to say it. But you're clear now states to get qualified so tim. What is it GonNa take for you to get qualified to be a history teacher Degree yeah right and then so we need to figure out all the ways what degrees will allow you to teach history teaching. Excuse me a history. Degree could be elementary education. So you need to go do the homework on the following things what I need to learn due to get qualified. So what are the multiple degrees find out every possible degree. That would allow you to be qualified. I teach history where you would like to teach history saying thing is once we figure that out you got to do the research and figure out. What's the cheapest way to do that because nobody cares where your degree is from? We just need a degree right. So how much is that going to cost me all right and we're going to do it. Cash or not going to go into debt. So how long is it going to take me to cash flow my way through that and tim look at their. You got a plan right there in front of you right now. Why you're getting qualified? You need to get connected that stays as three you start to use the proximity principle and get around teachers that you know or somebody knows a teacher and they can make a connection for you and you sit down and you go go to school on their path. What they love most what they liked the least type schools where those schools are? You just do a research paper on people that are teaching teaching talk to principals. Talk to people on the school board get connected so that when you get qualified you got a bunch of people going Tim. We're waiting on your man. We got an opportunity for you. Look Public School. Look at private school. Look at community college is it. Elementary School kids go audit a class go audit and elementary school class and sit there and watch it and then take that teacher to coffee and do this about three times so that you walk away really clear on what all's entailed and then you're going to want you clarify lie you're going to verify so that's the getting connected and while you're getting connected to learn you're GonNa make the connections that you need to get the job Bob Opportunity then you get started and then as you get started you're going to get promoted along the way and then you're going to step into that dream job not too long after for that at some point you're in that dream job and you realize that you're in the final stage and that is giving yourself away and doing work that is meaningful to you. That's how this works. That's the journey. Let's go to Lisa. WHO's on the line in York? Pennsylvania Lisa you're on the Ken Coleman Show thank you for taking my call I'm having a hard time searing out. What my sweet spot is and exactly what I WANNA do? I have to fears that. I believe that the naval need to do that order the two fears and the first one is never discovering what I meant to do the second one is choosing their own career passed. So I'm not ever doing what it meant. Oh you do. Oh Yeah. It's the second one the first ones not even A. That's not even a real thing You're you're Kinda like oh you're nervous about it but your true fear is picking the wrong thing and because of the fear of picking the wrong direction or the wrong career path. You're paralyzed so. I think you have an idea what you'd like to do. So let's try this little trick here that we do with a lot of callers Lisa if I took away the risk meaning it was impossible for you to fail. Oh you knew you would be successful. Meaning you're good at the work. You love the work. It's GonNa pay you what you need to make and I was going to give it to you tomorrow now. Didn't unlock you in for the rest of your life but allows you this fun adventure. What would you choose to do tomorrow? Say it something to do. With event management wait a second event coordinating event management. That came off pretty easy. Let me ask you a question. Are you detail oriented. Yes or no. Do you get a lot of joy out of completing A to do list for completing a task absolutely. I always have to see the end result. Oh Oh my goodness are you also somebody who likes to imagine a before and after and kind of this is what it could be and this is what it's GonNa take to make it. Do you get excited about that. Do you like making other people happy. Absolutely I wonder if it might be the coronation is right in your sweet spot. I think maybe it is Lisa. Stop being afraid. It's at least one of the things things you could do. Go explore it and try it. This is the Ken Coleman. Show the running alongside of you as you run your race. This is the Ken Coleman show. I'm Ken so excited to have you with us. Coming up a little later in the segment. We'll get to your emails asking. Ken Coleman Dot Com is the email address for the show. Now if you're going to submit michener question via email understand I can't go back and forth with you so you better make it succinct and very much to the point so that I can answer the question you could also submit the question on any of our social media platforms facebook to search the. Ken Coleman show at Ken Coleman on Instagram and that can comment on twitter by the way. Love You instagram folks. I just want to proclaim some love for you However there are a lot of you that are going on and sending me these long? DM's and you're basically asking me a question you would ask on the show. I can't answer it on instagram. I just can't. It's impossible so if that's one of you I'm not ignoring you that the volume of those as well as the complexity So much gets is lost in translation when you're typing back and forth so call the show. I know it's nerve wracking. I get this all the time Ken. I'm nervous nervous. Well listen you listen to the show and of never humiliated anybody. I'm never going to humiliate anybody. You're not a prop for me to make myself look good. I'm here for you. Oh so call me step into your fear they good for you by the way I'll lead you along and we'll give you what you need. You have the answers. It's just my job to find them. You already have the answers so just call eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven Monday through Friday. Come on it's GonNa be okay all right. Let's go to Plymouth. Minnesota where Leah is on the line Leah. You're on the Ken Coleman show. Hi Ken I Leo. What's going on today? I am a person with a lot of passion and I am just wondering if I'm on the right path. Tell me what the pass is. Where's the path leading? So I've been a mental health professional for five six years community based mental health worker. I'm in Grad School for art therapy. You have a vision of owning private practice. But that's so many years down the line that I'm getting kind of restless in the meantime And I would like to own a business and so I have a couple of different ideas. One of them being domestic violence shelters in which there's always a need for that and then Also an animal shelter is another idea of mine and I'm just kind of you've kind of figure out which one's the right direction. 'cause okay hold on a second hold on a second hold on a second so the domestic violence and and the animal shelter the to shelters are those separate from what you said at the start of the phone. Call when you said you have a vision. You made a very clear statement about a clear vision to own on your own mental health practice. Are Those two things separate they are separate and hold on a second practice is down the line. I get down the line but why in the world would you distract yourself from the ultimate vision. I mean let's just review here if I could snap my fingers magically Leah and give you the dream describe it right now what is it. You said domestic violence shelter though like okay hold on a second. I'm now now you're confused. which is making me confused? You said down the line you wanted to have your own practice of mental health. You said that was separate than the domestic violence a shelter so they put so so. What is the? What's the vision? Because you're saying two different things. What is the key vision? What is the one thing the one thing you want to do? More than anything else credit practice. That's what I thought okay. So here's what like what's making that. Be Down the road the money to open that up the qualifications in Grad school okay. Great don't actually have faster Mr as yet all right. So let's let's do a quick calendar. Okay how many years before you get the master's degree three three more years. And then okay I got. It doesn't no matter three years all right now then. How long would it take you to either be qualified To have the experience and or whatever money is necessary to start your own mental health clinic. How long ballpark idea? Probably two years. Okay so that's five years from now now so the question becomes yes. I know you wanNA start something. But you admitted to me in the audience that you're just getting itchy and fill your restless so if you start an animal shelter. I'm GonNa tell you right now. That's a bad idea. Has Nothing to do with what you want to do long term. That is called a distraction action. It's a bad idea now. The battered women's shelter. That's in the that's in the space that you want to be in but but again it could be a worthy thing that you do but it might still be a distraction because yeah my question is what is the best this path. Or what are the best paths to eventually owning your own shop and I would be going those directions actions and anything else is a distraction so I would want to be working in the field of mental health. Right now I would be getting a full-time. I'm job if possible in that field because that's true proximity to people that are doing what you WanNa do and in places where what you WanNa do is happening. That's the proximity principle. I would be working fulltime there. Why are you getting the Masters and in for three years? You're going to get so much that you're going to soak up your human sponge and you're gonna be making great connections and and so you're in the field and you pretty much ready to get hired. Once said qualification is done then once you get the masters I would actually start doing the counseling or whatever the role is that you think again best. Prepare you to run your own place and maybe do that for two or three or four years and stability ability in good money and and doing what you love and getting really really good at it and saving and planning and learning how to run a place like that. That's what needs to be happening so no to the battered women's shelter. No the animal shelter. But I do have an option there to where you can at least exercise your heart in maybe one one or both of those areas go volunteer go give of your time or work part time at the battered women's shelter. That's in your area. Same thing for the animal shelter those things tug at your heart. Those are passionate items. Those are areas but go volunteer go volunteer and just show up and serve and That's the best path for you. That's going to be focused focused. All Right Joe. I think it's time let's open up the electronic mail electronic mail you've got atmel Ryan writes in. Hey Ken I know what kind of job I would love. And I've got great connections in the industry. The only problem is that they are currently my costumers customers. I'm confident that they think I am a good and qualified employees. But I'm struggling with how to handle the situation. Is it unethical older. Reach out to them. No it's not. There's nothing unethical about that at all. If they don't have an opening I'm worried they wouldn't want to do business with many Morrison's persons they know I'm actively trying to leave position false. I'm also nervous. They would contact my supervisor as they have a good relationship with her as well now. That's possible I I. I'm not in the business a reading people's minds as to what they're going to do. I have general ideas but let me address these concerns. Oh by the way folks you gotta read the last line of the email because this gives it the guts he says I just know it would kill me if they hire someone to fill the position that I would love to have so i WanNa make them aware of my interest so he's just nervous. Nellie on this deal okay. Let's address the concerns. They are legitimate concern. I already dressed. Is it unethical. No it's not unethical What if they don't have an opening and they find out I'm interested? They don't WanNa do with more now. Here's a simple play there. Why don't you figure out if they have an opening before you tell them? You'd like to work for them. Don't even and bridge the conversation unless they've got a spot that's open that you want to go all right pretty simple stuff there and by the way if they do have position. That's open when you want you say. Look I'm interested in this position. This this kind of is a new revelation. I'm interested but I'm not leaving here unless this thing it turns out to be what I think it might be I'd like to again be discreet. Because there's not for sure that I would leave my current role But I'd like an opportunity. That's how you do that now. They tell your supervisor said Hey. I'm interested in it but I would ask them to be discreet. I think they will one more quick email from Joel. How do I check change at work when I'm not in charge? Oh I love this question. Model the way be a three hundred sixty degree leader lead up lead sideways Lee down. Basically be the a change that you want to see happen. People take notice got a word of encouragement and some real practical steps for you lonely entrepreneurs out there and we'll go ahead and we'll pull the rest of you in there just feeling lonely in your work. This is a real thing by the way I mean this is it just you know. Maybe I'm just needy. No no no no no no no There's research out there That shows that that loneliness has serious health risk. I don't think this is really breaking news. Anybody organized show you some of these These pieces of data and and also I really want to encourage you entrepreneurs out there On this particular issue because I do think when it comes Mr Professional Loneliness. There is a higher rate of reality of this loneliness setting in for entrepreneurs because it is in and of itself a very lonely venture. I mean you are the heart soul. You know we joke around here Ramsey solutions that when you're an entrepreneur you you are the CEO the chief everything officer right. It's it's it's it's one and and your crusader and you are Dr forging a path many times. It's never been forged before and if it has other people is the first time you've done it so so it's very lonely. There's a tremendous passion that you have for the problem that you want to solve. But as a result of that there's also an equally tremendous burden on you because this is all on you and it doesn't take long for that to set in and you know you feel like you're walking alone going through it alone and next thing you know you're alone and you're not just alone physically but alone emotionally Loneliness and social isolation solution is as damaging as smoking fifteen cigarettes a day. Yikes it has the same negative health effect on you. Smoking that many cigarettes There are so many studies you can just google studies studies on loneliness. And you're just going to be inundated with all the data out there but loneliness social isolation and living alone also also increase the risk of early death by twenty six percents again a sizable number. Now for a moment. Some of your going on. Well I feel that sometimes but I'm really not alone. Well you know that you can be lonely even surrounded by other people how many honestly right. Now you're listening to me wherever you're listening however you're listening when you have felt very lonely while still being surrounded by a lot of people everybody listening should raise their hand. Because we've all felt this. What is happening when that takes place when you feel alone but you're not physically alone? The answer is there's no commonality you may be in a room full of people but either you feel this way or or it's absolutely true that they don't understand what you're going through and so the only you have in common is you're alive breathing part of the human race and when you don't feel anybody understands you is going through what you're going through. You can feel very long. So what are some things that would be helpful specifically for you entrepreneurs you need to think about getting a business coach or hiring a consultant essentially getting outside voice could even a respected friend. You I don't have to pay somebody but get a respected outside voice to be able to talk to you so that you can a get their insight okay That would be knowledge. Be Get their experience their wisdom on similar situations that maybe they've gone through an NC some resources steps forwards it could be best practices or connections that they could make don't work alone working at home. Sometimes this is really exacerbating this problem. So think about co working when I own my own company for our join Ramsey solutions. I used to work in coffee shops and then found these great eight workspaces where you could just sit and rent some space or just working co working area. And and Buy Lunch and coffee there. That also helps. And here's the other thing. I talked about this in my book. The proximity principle hang out with other entrepreneurs go to lunch with them you know. Add value to them and they're probably going to add value value to you and then be careful. We're spending all your time on social media and make that your community to to to stock other people and and feel like well I'm paying attention and other people's lives but there's no human contact there if you're not careful you'll get sucked into the cancer comparison. Finally if you need help you truly loneliness thing is bigger than you. You need to go see a counselor. There is help there and clarity. Don't be ashamed. You're worth it. We need you. Go get healthy and get back Out there this is the Ken Coleman Show Nick. This is the Coleman show. America thrilled to have you with us. The only nationally syndicated radio program helping you discover what work you were created to do. Were you created in a fashion that well. You're just working to live or is it that you were created in a fashion that you live to work to contribute attribute something to this society. I would suggest very strongly. It's the latter. We believe that every man and woman on the planet was created to fill a unique role. All that means you are needed and you must do it. Somebody needs you to be you. So if you're down right now feeling you've got no self worth this is the show for you. Let's dig in if you are absolutely terrified of change but you know change is needed. This is the show for you if you know. L. What you WanNa do but you doubt you've got the chops or doubt that there's still time or doubt that there's a path forward. This show is for you. Clarity breeds confidence and confidence breeds. Courage when I'm clear on my Wi- my hair and my how no matter what life throws at me and life will throw you some detours and ditches the clear I can retreat back to clarity and that gives me the confidence to start again and it gives me the courage to stay the course. Eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven. Let's go to Los Angeles. Eric is on the Line Eric. You're on the Ken. Coleman show Ken Thank you for taking my call. Sure how can I help. Yes I have Basically invention in mind that I WanNa know more can start and base basically capitalism idea I mean I don't have any money like a prototype a game or Because I've had other ideas I thought in mind Where somebody else's started up and and I couldn't really go forward I've been trying to help They gave me some great information Harbor there's a commitment involved in a lot of money over that they want you to basically pay them. How I I guarantee that my ideal basically take off or make the money at all so What my options are? Okay I need to do is hold that phone closer to your mouth. Because you're very muffled and I'm struggling to understand everything but I I have a general idea you've got a product or service an idea that you want to invent but you've not tested it you've not created a prototype. Did I hear that correctly. Yes yes Stop Stop Stop. Stop because this is very simple phone call and I don't want because I I sense a lot of anxiety and a lot of uncertainty and you you and I want to really clarify some things for you. Don't give a dime to again. You were coming in and out but I understand there's some organization where if you pay them money they'll help you testing and prototyping. Did I hear that correctly. Yes or no correct. Yes okay but there's no guarantee that after you pay them that this thing is going to work so you could be out a lot of money I heard you say is that correct correct. Yes and then and then be back to square one so good heavens. Eric don't do that. No no no no you gotTa test this thing yourself. Every inventor has gone do it themselves and so you've got this idea You need to guard this idea of your life. You need to test it prototype Beta tested whatever it is. I'm not even GonNa make you tell us what it is. All right. My point is you have got to prove yourself on a small scale once you prove it to yourself on a small scale scale than the next step for you would be to take it to people who and again you know who these people are. And so I don't need to detail this but you need somebody who would potentially manufacture it right or or whatever and so now what we WANNA do is get somebody. WHO's an absolute pro who you can take your Let's call it homespun. Version one point Oh and they can test it themselves and then they could say all right. This is what it would take for us to be interested in it. But you gotta you gotta go that direction and once you've proven that somebody who would be a manufacturer says we'd be willing to manufacture this. We think this is good. Good and then I would take it to another level of testing with real customers potential customers and I would test it again and then when you've got real feedback from Enough of sample size to verify. You've got something then that's when you go for your patent and that's when you start finding partners and and and again I don't know what the product or services but it's always gonNA come down to manufacturing or creating said product or service right and then distribution so. I'm trying to keep it simple because I can hear you. Make it complex in your head and it's not complex now everything I just said it's GonNa take some time. I don't know how long it's going to take. But I'm telling you and again I gave you the very very rudimentary process extremely simple process. Just the you don't get overwhelmed. Does that make sense. Yes yes it. Does that help you. Yes it does good. Because I don't want you to give anybody any money to test test your product you test your product. You understand okay and you if anybody's GonNa if you're GONNA give anybody money to test your product. It's only somebody not that you're using their raw material services technology whatever to tested. But you're not just you know. Hey here's a bunch of money. Don't leave this works six. That's never the right idea. You understand what I'm saying. Yes I do all right. Very good Let's go to a man who's on the line in Portland Oregon. Amanda you're on the Ken Coleman show. Oh Hi how are you living. The Dream Amanda how can I help. I've got a question so my husband and I worked really hard to get out of debt so I could stay the home with our kids now young. Yeah my youngest is GonNa be in kindergarten next year. I got a really great job opportunity. I don't I don't really want to go back to work. I think that I don't want to miss out on this great opportunity. What should I do the reason I'm laughing because what you said somewhere in there but you're still confused and we got to figure out really quick? What's causing the confusion? You don't WanNa go back to work because life's good. Yeah Yeah So. That's that's a content. Yes so in one corner in the red corner man is life is really great in the any other corner. Shiny Opportunity Amanda thinks. She might be stupid if she doesn't say To did I put my finger on it. I'm going to add one other wrinkle. This man I think you're also worried about what your friends and family. And maybe even the hubs might say if you turn this deal. I don't care what they think. Oh we got out of so much hair finally somebody. I love car. We were driving. You know what I can. I Amanda I love you. You were fantastic. You don't give a rip what anybody thinks so. That's great but you are. You do give a rip about one person and that you so. Let's let's have our fun little psychological tests ready. You cannot answer with your head Amanda you can only answer with your heart here. We Go Amanda you have the opportunity because you and your husband lived like no one else so now you could live like no one else. The youngest is going to kindergarten. You got lots of freedom that you have earned in life is really good deal. WanNa do that. Ordeal on there it is. I was GonNa say I I knew this is going but why in the world would you take a job just because it shiny when you know your heart sent. I don't want to go do that so you know what I think. I'm never going to tell you what to do. I'm only going to put the scenario in front of you until you go with your heart and your hard telling you to do what home home take that job and shove it. Great country song by guy named Johnny paycheck. Is that right Joe. Did I get that right. That's not in my era Joe's much older than I am so I have to check the old country songs by him. Take this job and shove it and that's what you need to do. Hey I'm honored I'm flattered I'm GonNa sit home and just think for a whole day about whatever I WANNA do 'cause I've earned. I want you to enjoy this next season of life. And here's why if you want to go back to you work your heart will tell you when and what and until then you enjoy this season really proud of you man. You've earned it Put those feet up. Put them in some nice floppy comfortable slippers and enjoy this downtime. Because you've earned it. I love that I love her. I love her. Fantastic mastic stuff folks. When you're heading harder competing put both messages in front of you and listen to your heart? Our time is almost up but before I let you go you matter and you do have what it takes. Thank you so much for joining the conversation until next time. This is the Ken Coleman show press on. Thanks for listening to the Ken Coleman Show for more. You can find the show on demand Dan wherever you listen to podcasts. And watch the show on Youtube. You can also find can across all social media by following at Ken Coleman. Hey folks I wanted to check out our other Ramsey network podcasts such as the Dave Ramsey. 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