16 Episode results for "Women Airforce Service"

RFT 436: WASP Documentarian Erin Miller

Ready For Takeoff - Turn Your Aviation Passion Into A Career

27:42 min | 1 year ago

RFT 436: WASP Documentarian Erin Miller

"This is the ready for take-off podcast episode four, thirty six my name is George. In today I'm talking to Aaron Miller but first, let me tell you about our sponsor, the ham-fisted novel series. If you like aviation combat action, it's brought by real events in Vietnam I know you're really going to enjoy the Hanff this novel series and you can get the first audio book in this series totally free just on her show notes and you'll see how you can do that by signing up for an account with audible. But right now, fasten your seat belts and get ready for takeoff. I'm talking today to Aaron Miller. Now, Erin is not a pilot, but she is the granddaughter of a wasp that's women's airforce service pilots, and she has a fascinating story to tell. So Aaron, thank you so much for being with us today. Thank you for having me your welcome so What I'd like is for you to to share with us what what your grandmother has shared with you about her flying story, and then we'll get to your story of how you how you made things right for your grandmother. But can you tell us how she got her starting aviation? So. My Grandmother. Elaine. Dan. For harmon was born in Baltimore Maryland in Nineteen nineteen and she grew up in the city and was born at home in her house. And had two siblings and was very independent. sporty did a lot of rotor bike and very athletic growing up and she attended the University of Maryland in College Park. Maryland for college. and. She did lots of activities there as well. She was a cheerleader she was on the rifle team swim team. She was in a sorority in all kinds of things very active and her senior year of college. She saw an advertisement in the school newspaper for the civilian. Pilot Training. program. Which I'm sure your listeners are familiar with but it was a program in the nineteen thirties to have more people in the United States prepare to get a pilot's license and Senate was I guess subsidized by the US government and it was offered through a lot of universities and university. Of Maryland was one of them. And Anyway. So they had an advertisement for this program where you could learn how to fly and it costs thirty five dollars. Or forty dollars and you got thirty five hours of flight training and ground school and whatever. So my grandma thought that would be cool. So she applied and at the time which doesn't sound like a big deal you're signing up for a class nowadays. But back, then if you were a woman, they only accepted one woman for every ten men in the class. So you kind of had to I don't I never asked her if there were comp competition about this or she just happened to be the only woman that applied I don't really know but anyway. So, she asked her dad for the money and she also had to get a permission slip signed because she was female and under the age of twenty one and not married. So her dad had to sign a permission slip and that's how she initially took pilot training lessons West, through this program at the University of Maryland. Very. Cool. So after she got her thirty five hours, did she continue to fly on her own? Not Really she I think she did a little bit but she basically that was in nineteen, hundred forty, sue her last year of college. She got her pilot's license and then not too long after that, she got married in the summer of nineteen forty one. To my grandfather, and then as your listeners I'm sure. Well, aware six months later Pearl Harbor happened. So I don't think you flying around was generally something that happened. A Lot. So at that point, my grandmother and grandfather were moving around a lot to support the war effort they lived in Ohio at one point for a while and we're kind of working at different places. And and so how did she get back into? So in nineteen, forty, three, I believe there was an big. The Women Airforce Service pilots kind of became newsworthy and there was a little bit of news about them. Newsreel. The old newsreels are in life magazine, and so my grandmother heard about this program called the WAAS. And thought she could apply and she asked my grandfather. If he thought it would be a good idea and he thought it would be a great idea for her. So she applied and she kind of didn't really think she would get in because she really the most she had done was that civilian pilot training program she didn't have a lot of hours. And she kind of applied and thought oh well, we'll see what happens but they accepted her. So that's how she ended up becoming one of the Watson. Then she started training in April of Nineteen, forty four where did she go for Carini? She was in sweetwater Texas Avenger field, which is in western Texas. About an hour west of Abilene Texas. Now. Did your grandfather go there with her when she went there No. So my grandfather was an engineer and he later became a patent attorney, but he was not in the service because he had a physical defect so he was So, he couldn't serve in the army. But he was I think recruited I would say by a company to actually manufactured airplane parts called Jack and Heintz which some people may not because I've seen their parts in the in the warbirds He got sent to Asia to work on a plan to repair aircraft for the US military in theater in the Pacific. So the planes didn't have to be sent back to the continental United States to be repaired to save time. So he got sent over there to work on that program as a civilian, and so he was gone during this time when she was trainy. tweet water. Aircraft was she trained in? So she was trained on I think they were all trained on basic plane. So things like the the steersman PT, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, eighty, sixes, bt, Thirteen's neither all planes that she was training on. And what did she eventually flawed she I assume she was multi current and flew a lot of different airplanes as wasp. Yes. So all the WAAS flu lots of different planes and there were groups of wasps that were trained to fly every plane that was produced during World War Two from little trainer planes all the way up to be twenty nine bomber. So not every wasp was trained to fly every plane obviously but they're little groups trained to fly like you know pursuit crafter bombers or whatever. So. She was trained to fly bt thirteen's to train men in instrument training. So that was her job after she graduated. So she was transferred to Nellis Air. Base. In Las Vegas. And with her best friend from the WAAS Maggie Gee and Magnesia was to- target pilot in Las Vegas. So they were transferred there and my grandma trained men on instrument training in the thirteen. And she was also has some time as a co-pilot on the B seventeen. Now did she any or overseas? No. The Watson really do that there were some women at the very early stages of this experiment as the government called it that went to England to work a little bit. But the Women Airforce Service pilot program was domestic. So. She was training pilots in the. BTS thirteen percent. Yes and she stayed at knows the entire time then? Yes. So What? was was the wasp disbanded before the war ended or how did that occur? So, in the summer of so during this whole process, they army was debating whether they women are for service pilots should actually become official. Commissioned officers or members of the army, right? So I'm sure your listeners are familiar with a lot of work to history. They know there were women serving and other branches right in and in the army, right like doing other things. But since these women were pilots which was a competitive sealed with men, there was a lot of controversy about whether these women should be accepted as part of the army. So there had to be legislation in Congress to. Make them part of the army so that legislation was going through and there were a lot of debates about it from different like veterans, groups, or various people in the government that were debating the pros and cons of this and in the summer of nineteen forty one. The bill failed by one thousand, nine votes. So the wasp were not accepted as part of the army and at that point in the history of the war that you know like d day was ahead, all these things were happening and the war was a little bit turning towards Asia and. The army kind of felt like we may not need as many combat pilot. So it was okay to kind of I guess let the last program fall out. So they decided to cancel the program and it was canceled on December Twentieth Nineteen. Forty? Four. So. So then I, I assume she returned to. To, wherever home was Right. So at that point, my grandfather was still overseas in Asia and my grandmother returned to Baltimore and She was pretty bored 'cause most of the people were doing something with the war and she did you know her husband was overseas. So she decided to go to California to see a friend and she ended up working as an air traffic controller at Oakland. International Airport for a while Ah should know many female traffic controllers back then. That is a good question. I don't know the answer to that I on one hand I want to say, yes because you know we had all these women taking over jobs. So it seems like it would make sense but I don't actually know the answer to that question. Cheated until the end of the war says, she did that for a while I don't remember exactly how long. But at some point my grandfather came back from Asia and when he came back, they moved back to Maryland. Now did she continue to fly at any point after the war? Not Really She You know they like I said, she was already married. So they moved back to Maryland and. House eventually and. Ended up having four children. So I don't know that at that time running around with four kids. It was easy to go on flight planes. I don't know but My grandfather died in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, five. So my grandma became a single mom with four kids. I have a feeling flying planes not. You know highest priority at that time unfortunately. Sure. So she was dealing with that situation and I never knew my grandfather because he died before I was born so. Yeah unfortunately. Yeah. I think she always loved flying but I think after you know after the war didn't get a lot of. To do it. Soon now. It took thirty five years before the Wasp were were issued to fourteen. Can you tell us about that? So. As I explained earlier, the army was debating whether to let them in as formal members and the bill failed. So the war was over they. They went home and. World War Two veterans. Went on with their lives and got married and had kids or whatever. Some of them stayed in the aviation industry and some of them did other things. And in the nineteen seventies The Air Force and some of the the academy's started accepting women the Air Force said they air force performed in nineteen, forty seven. So they in the seventies they said, they were going to start accepting women's pilot trainees and things were going to be the first women pilots in the military or whatever, and the Wasp and my grandma and her friends were like we already did that. Maybe we should go like tell Congress about it and so they realize since they hadn't really been talking. About what they had done, which like lots of World War Two people just wanted to get on with their lives they had been forgotten. So they went to Congress in the seventies and lobby to get a bill passed to allow them to petition the Department of Defense to get recognizes veterans, and that was signed into law in Nineteen, seventy, seven by president. Carter and they petitioned the Department of Defense and my grandma received her dany to fourteen in nineteen seventy, nine, thirty, five years later. And known that the time when she decided, she wanted to be buried at Arlington. I don't know if that was the time my grandmother had attended some other funerals of her fellow WAAS Arlington previously, and at some point during that time had mentioned that she would like to be buried there too. So it you know something we'd knew about. No I understand that the the other women who were buried Arlington we're we're there because their husbands had been veterans were buried. There's that right. Yeah. So there was a little bit of you now controversy. So there were also a couple of other wasps that were buried there on their own. But in two thousand and two there was an argument about One of the wasp being buried she was being buried with her husband. So the issue wasn't that she couldn't be buried there. The issue was her daughter requested military funeral and the the. The Arlington Administration said No. So she launched a campaign to have you know her mom recognized and get a military funeral, and during that time they put out a release saying Oh. Yeah. The law from nineteen seventy seven. Let's them be buried here and let them have funeral. So we didn't. Think there was an issue so they had already talked about it once right so now. Take up to your grandmother passing away. So my grandmother passed away in April of two, thousand fifteen and as we mentioned, she had left a letter saying she wanted to be buried at Arlington and we already knew that so we weren't surprise. But when my mom applied sent all the paperwork in they told her that the wasps were not eligible to be there on their own merit and as I mentioned, my grandfather was a civilian so he was buried in a different cemetery. And we were a little confused because as I mentioned in two thousand two, they had already had this discussion but apparently a months before my grandmother died Arlington had done a review of their procedures and whatever and decided that certain groups like the wasp weren't actually entitled to be buried there on their own merit and we didn't know about this until we had applied to to have her that buried there. They rejected the application and it was it's the Department of the army that rejected it correct right. So the Department of the army runs Arlington National Cemetery and the Department of Veterans Affairs runs roughly a hundred and thirty seven other national military cemeteries but not Arlington. So the Wa. Happen team seventy seven. Language. Stating that the Women Airforce Service pilots and these other groups that eventually got benefits under the same law are eligible for benefits administered by the Veterans Administration. Which today is the Department of Veterans Affairs. So the army claimed that they were only veterans in the Department of Veterans Affairs and not other parts of the federal government. So now, if you're like most people, you just said Gosh too bad we'll bury her with GRANDPA but that's not what happened. Yeah. So you know at first, we were just really confused and a little irritated and and you know my mom and I did a lot of research and I was trying to help her you know figure this out look at the Wad. I told her I said you know legally I think you know they have a strong case like this is correct like that's the language says, and you know obviously, I don't agree with it can a grandma and I think it's terrible but like I think legally they technically might be correct. Now you're an attorney. So could tell what what made sense legally right. Yeah. So I was somewhat new attorney and I had finished law school at University, of Maryland. Couple years before that. So. I was putting some of my law school learning to use to figure this out. The next step up. So, then you know explain this to my mom and I said well, you know if we want to change this, we probably have to get a law passed so we should contact are You know members of Congress are senator whatever. So my mom facts, a bunch of information to our senator. and we got a response a couple of months later saying that. You know the. It was only a few sentences basically like we can't help you in. This is a situation and sorry. And that really irritated me. That's when I got really irritated 'cause up to that point. It was just kind of ambiguous. We don't really know what's going on and just waiting to something out and then when we got that response, I, was pretty annoyed and. I thought this can't be the last answer, right? So I decided we have to basically do a PR campaign and I was going to go to the news and get attention and tell people this is ridiculous and we need to have this changed and. I figured if we got a lot of attention, the army would change its mind. But then during that process I realized, we actually need to get a law passed because the army changes its mind and changes the law or changes the rule right now for us than next year, they could change it back. Sure. You at that point, we wanted to make sure that all the women airforce service pilots and all the people of these other groups had the same opportunity that my grandma would have if we got this done. So, what was the? What's it like doing a PR campaign I have no idea how to do that. Yeah. I didn't really know what I was doing either but. I just figured we have all the social media site posted my my first thing I posted something on facebook or instagram. I can't remember probably all of them and just talked about I posted a picture of my grandma's earned her wings and I talked about how she wanted to be at Arlington and they rejected her because of this. Weird. Loophole in the law and it was ridiculous that we were going to try to do something about it and all these people started responding like people I didn't even know when I was like wow. So all these people are so mad about it maybe we can get something done and then I started reaching out to news reporters and posting all over social media and just looking for anything to get people's. Interest and I connected with a local news reporter who does a lot of veterans stories on named Andrew McCarron who used to be at channel nine. But now she works at another organization the Pentagon Federal Credit Union Foundation, and she actually was the first one that did a story with me about this and that helped a lot more attention, and then eventually we were in Associated Press and all the. International news outlets picked it up. So that helped a lot. Did you go on national TV shows also new shows. I did I was on a lot of. National News Shows National News. Articles that type of thing CBS Evening News, and that kind of thing. We also had a petition on Change Dot Org. So that helped a lot too. So, we could post that all over the place. My sister managed that petition. So we got. Like. One hundred and seventy, eight thousand signatures on that petition. So that helped a lot and that helped get attention everything you do everything you do is just like a little piece of the puzzle you know. How do you get a law enacted? So. Because of all this attention. With the news more people in Congress are story and. At the time Martha mcsally, who is a retired air force colonel who flew the eight ten in combat. was a member of the House of Representatives from Arizona and her staff all this story and mentioned it to her and she being a pilot a woman. Knew some of the Wasp and decided that we should have a bill introduced to fix this. So she wrote legislation and had this introduced. So, then I went down to the hill, we met with her, and then I spent a couple of months walking around the hill, visiting all kinds of offices of both senators and. Members of the House. and talking to them and their staffs and making sure that they knew about it and. Wanting them to vote yes to get this passed. So when you go there, you just knock on the door and walk in their office and talk to whoever answers the door or make an appointment ahead of time. That? So a lot of times I would just walk down there and knock on doors and walk in tell them what I was there for and you know sometimes there's people available to talk to you, and if not, you make an appointment for another time and You know if you're here, you can do it. I know it's harder if you're in another part of the country, you have to call and talk to them on the phone but. If, you're here you can just walk around and knock on the door and talk to people. So how many members of Congress? Senate. Did you did you visit? I estimate that I visited a more than one hundred and fifty offices between the House of Representatives and the Senate. Now didn't any just say get out of here we're busy. Now now everybody was really pretty nice and that's why it's kind of a good story as people were mostly supportive and you know if it's hard to say no to someone who walks in and says, I need you to sign this bill so I can bury my grandma. It's It's pretty hard but people were pretty Nice and a lot of people really supportive. We had quite a few members of the House and the Senate who did news stories on their own about it. At which was really nice. So that was helpful. You know I think it was an issue that. You know both parties could see value in and. You know it was something good and positive. So it was a good experience. So when did it become law? So it was introduced, January six twenty sixteen and it was signed into law by the president of the United. States on May Twentieth Two Thousand Sixteen. Wow. That's great and then The. Funeral was. Happened immediately afterwards. So after the law got signed, my mom had to call again to Arlington make an appointment I mean sorry not making but requests a funeral date and since we had this new law passed and there this time they said, yes. So she called you know. I think that the next Business Day and which was in May and we got a funeral date in September. Assuming it had full military honors at the funeral. Yeah. So confusing another confusing thing about Arlington as they have different levels of military honors as well at funerals. So the top level is for people who were retired after twenty years of service or a flag officers and that kind of thing. But my grandma, there was another ambiguity about her service, which was since her duty to fourteen has ranked listed. She's technically you know not an officer or enlisted and just kind of its not applicable. So she got kind of like the second tier of honors, which is fine I didn't want to add that into the mix of things to argue about. But yeah. She had a bugler played taps and we had you know 21-gun-salute and and it was very nice. You know an guard and chaplain and that kind of thing. So, tell us tell us about writing the book and the book is called final final fight. How did? You wanted to tell your story or did somebody push you to to write this book out about happen? During this process of me, spending on his time walking around on the hill and talking to news outlets and things people kept saying Oh. This would make a great story or make a great book. You should write a book. I'm like. Her and I was really busy and didn't really think about it at the time but. After the bill became law, I always sudden had a lot more free time and a pile of notes and all these journals and appointment books that had been keeping track of notes for the reporters and stuff and I thought hey, I can write a book I have all this information. So I decided, I would write a book. So I spent that summer before my grandma's funeral writing the first draft of the book. And Win published. It came out February twenty nineteen. Twenty. Nine hundred and now it's not your picture on the cover. Is that your arm in the pit is my arm? Yes. I I sometime during this process i. was quite frustrated. I don't remember exactly what happened that day but I told my sister's on a call like, Oh, I should get something to commemorate this whole situation like a tattoo or something. So when the bill got signed into law, my sister's really I guess you have to get a tattoo now. So I went and got the bill number tattooed on my arm. I kinda suspected that won us over. The cover of the book and of course. That's that is very cool. Hundred Fourteenth Congress that is. We have a link to the book in our show notes, of course So this is a fascinating story. I usually ask my guess what advice they have for someone who's just starting out on flying but you're not a pilot but I know you spent a lot of time with your grandmother can you share with us what her? Rules for life were. So. Something people ask about my grandma's. Things about advice in life and all this stuff and something I tell people is you know my grandma did this thing that now is getting all the attention but she didn't really think of herself as this you know amazing special person she she had something to offer the country and she had a talent and she was a pilot and that's what she did to serve her country and she always you know I feel like she would tell people you know see what you can offer to your community and to the country and how can you help serve in some way right everyone has a talent or. Some knowledge or skill that you can offer and I think she was very into serving her community in her country and I think that would be an important message to people. So even flying I know people do civil air, patrol, and that sort of thing they're helping their community and that kind of thing is important. That's Great Aaron has been so great having you with us today that's a fascinating story and it shows a lot of determination and grit on your part, and I really appreciate you taking the time to be with us today. Well I. Very Much. Appreciate you having me on. I enjoy your podcast. Thank you. Thanks again for listening subscribe. Now, the ready for takeoff podcast on itunes or stitcher radio and please rate US post review on the store for Shono to resources and more head over to ready for take-off PODCASTS DOT com.

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Opha May Johnson Became The First Woman to Enlist in the Marine Corps / Margaret Tafoya born - August 13

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15:52 min | 1 year ago

Opha May Johnson Became The First Woman to Enlist in the Marine Corps / Margaret Tafoya born - August 13

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Hello and welcome to the podcast I'm Tracy Wilson and it's August thirteenth offer may Johnson became the first woman known to have enlisted in the US Marine Corps on stay in nineteen eighteen. This is during World War One. There was a serious shot of men to fill necessary military roles. This is all across the military, not just in the marines just as an example of some roles that women were filling all across the armed services. There were more than twenty one thousand women working as army nurses who served stateside and overseas during the war. There also the hello girls these women served in the US Army. Signal Corps doing switchboard operator work in the civilian workforce about eighty percent of telephone switchboard operators were women and women were reported to be about five times faster at this job than their male colleagues. There were also women, ambulance drivers, women's demographers on an on in terms of military service. The navy actually started enlisting women before the Marines did the Naval Act of Nineteen Sixteen had some vague language in it about the naval reserves at allowed the reserves to include quote all persons. Who may be capable of performing special useful service for coastal defence? You might notice that said persons, it didn't say men probably whoever wrote it thought that person's met men but that meant that they were not excluding women by nine hundred seventeen, the navy was actively recruiting women for a lot of different roles. Most of them became yeomen that was the name for a petty officer who did different types of clerical work in the navy women in the navy were also working as radio operators as chauffeurs as mechanics as cryptographer there's all kinds of. Roles the first of these women in the US, Navy was Loretta perfect us. Walsh joined on March seventeenth nineteen seventeen. She was the first woman to join any branch of the US military without having to discuss her sex I in any role other than nursing in one, thousand, nine, hundred though the secretary of the Navy began allowing women to enlist in the Marines and that's where we get to offer. May Johnson she was forty? She was the first person in a line of three hundred who answered a call for women's who enlist in the Marines she started out doing clerical work at Marine headquarters in Arlington. Virginia in total during World War One thirteen thousand women were accepted into the navy into the Marines. There were women in the Coast Guard to a smaller extent as well and both the navy and the Marines these women had the letter f after their titled to denote their sex often while serving in the military these women faced sexism they face suspicion about whether they are qualified or competent at their jobs suspicion about their morality and an overall resistance to there being there at. All this included drill sergeants seem to be really angry that they had been given the task of training women, and so they took it out on their female recruits but these women served their country in spite of this, and in spite of the fact that for most of them, they were not even allowed to vote. Once World War One was over the military branches that had been accepting women out of need started enrolling them. The navy stopped enlisting women in November nineteen eighteen and the Naval Appropriations Act of Nineteen nineteen place women in both. The Navy and the Marine Corps on inactive deeply all of the women who had enlisted for wilder one were discharged by the fall of nineteen twenty as for off may Johnson's she continued to do some of the same work but as a civil servant working with the war department rather than in the military, there was a similar cycle of recruiting women to do jobs to free up men to go to the front in World War Two with programs like the Women Airforce Service pilots similarly women joined the wasp thinking that they were going to. Become part of the military only for the military to disband the program entirely in nineteen forty four and some cases though Congress eventually approved military recognition for these women's service decades after it was done. Thanks very much to Eve's Jeff Cope for her research work on today's episode and Tari Harrison her audio skills. In all of these episodes, we've never talked about offer may Johnson on Steffi missing history class, but we have talked about a lot of other women in the military including the May fifteenth twenty seventeen episode, six impossible episodes, soldiers, snipers, and spies. Ended, our March, twenty first and twenty third two, thousand, sixteen episodes on the Women Airforce Service pilots and my favorite the March knipe Twenty fifteen episode on the night, which is you can subscribe to this day in history class on apple podcast Google podcast and wherever else you get your podcast and you can tune in tomorrow for a particularly rare book and a milestone in printing. Hey, I'm andy if you don't know me, it's probably because I'm not famous but I did start a men's grooming company called. Harry's the idea for Harry's came out of a frustrating experience. I had buying razor blades most brands were overpriced over designed out of touch at Harry's our approach is simple cures are secret. 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Taylor Potter Maria Margarita to Foia. Also known as it Margaret to foia was born in Santa Clara play blow in New Mexico. Margaret was part of a long line of potters and her pottery was known around the world. The why people are a group of Pueblo native Americans to speak the language? Santa Clara is one of several Taiwa speaking Pueblos. Santa Clara is known for the pottery. It's artists produce particularly their red and black polished pottery. The pottery tradition and Santa Clara began around five hundred ce when the Pueblo people turned away from hunting and gathering and developed agriculture. Pottery was valuable and trade for more than a thousand years but once the Santa Fe trail in eighteen twenty, one machine made products became increasingly popular. Santa. Clara Utilitarian pottery began to be viewed as art by anthropologists, historians, art collectors, and other outsiders. Market to Foia family had been artists for generations her mother Serafina also known as autumn leafs started teaching her how to make pottery when she was a child. Her Father Jeronimo also known as white flower helped sell his wife's pottery. Margaret went to the Pueblo elementary school and went to Santa Fe Indian school but she dropped out to help her family during the flu epidemic of Nineteen Eighteen. She left Santa. Clara to work as a housekeeper waitress and cook. In nineteen twenty, she married all Cario to foia in soon moved back to Santa Clara. Margaret and her mother were known for making large pots, worth thirty inches or seventy, six centimeters or higher. She made hand coiled pottery using clay only from Santa Clara land. The clay is dried ground mixed with water and needed. The. Pottery is coil built coated with flipped don't polished in fired with wood or Dung or both. Using her fingers to foia put lines in the clay. Designs to used included mountains, rain clouds, buffalo horns, water serpents, bear claws, and Kiva. Steps. She preferred impressed and carved. To paint designs, which many of her contemporaries used. She insisted that future generations follow the traditional process of creating pottery using natural fuels to fire their work and to rub the surfaces of their pottery smooth with a stone. Margaret helped bring back the use of polychrome or pottery decorated and multiple colors which had fallen out of favor by the late nineteenth century. In the nineteen thirties in nineteen forties, she experimented with orange outline designs and Greek and Roman for him that she adapted to Santa Clara Shapes. Later she on red or black phases storage Jars Olives Im- bowls and Allah is a vessel used for storage or cooking At first Margaret and her husband Al Cario took her pottery to cities and Fairs and sold it. As more people became interested in collecting native American art in the nineteen fifties to feuer's art became renowned worldwide. At that point, they no longer had to travel to sell her work directly as people began traveling to the Pueblos and placing orders for it. She had twelve children, two of whom died before they turned one. She won many awards including the New Mexico Governor's Award for excellence in the arts and her works were displayed in several exhibitions. Margaret died in February of two thousand, one at her home in Santa Clara. When she died she was survived by nine children thirty grandchildren forty five great grandchildren and eleven. Great. Great grandchildren. Many descendants have also become accomplished potters in the traditional style. I'm Eve's Jeffcoat, and hopefully you know a little more about history today than you did yesterday. and. If you're so inclined, you can follow us at t the I H C podcast on. Instagram facebook and twitter and. 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The Women Airforce Service Pilots Was Formed / Gowrie Conpsiracy - August 5

This Day in History Class

12:42 min | 1 year ago

The Women Airforce Service Pilots Was Formed / Gowrie Conpsiracy - August 5

"Today's episode is brought to you by oxy clean. So I went on a backpacking trip that other weekend as per usual I ended up with a bunch of smelly close at the end of it but I used oxy clean odor blasters on the load of laundry before I did it. It was super easy and I came out with some super fresh smelling clothes. You've got to try oxy clean odor blasters for yourself to work your magic with oxy clean go to oxy dot com slash try me an order of free sample that's oxy clean dot. com. Slash T. R. Y.. M. E. for a free odor blaster sample while supplies. Last what happens after an advice columnist signs off on our news show dear therapists from Iheartradio we find out I'm Lori Gottlieb from the Atlantic and I'm guy wins from Ted and each week we sit down with a list for consultation. Then we asked them to come back on and tell us what happened. You can email us with your own dilemma at Laurean guy at iheartmedia dot com listen to dear therapists on apple podcasts, the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcasts. Everyone. Technically, you're getting two days in history today because we're we're running two episodes from the history volt. You'll also hear to hose me and Tracy Wilson Hope you enjoy. Welcome to this day in history class from how stuff works dot Com and from the desk of stuff you missed in history class. It's the show where we explore the past one day at a time with a quick look at what happened today in history? Welcome to the podcast I'm Tracy Wilson it's August fifth the Women Airforce Service pilots or wasp was formed on the state in nineteen forty-three. Okay. So think about some of the things that a pilot means the do during a war some of it's obvious right pilots to fly combat missions, flying troops and supplies into and out of combat areas doing recon but there's also a lot of work that's not as obvious if you're not already a pilot or maybe in the military like. Flying the newly built airplanes from a factory to their departure point or testing these new planes to make sure that they are working correctly or win a plane has been repaired. Making sure that the repairs are done correctly towing targets for target practice that win is actually my favorite. You need a lot of pilots to do all of this work and during World War. Two there is a problem they needed more pilots, and so the whole idea was that they would recruit women to do this less obvious non-combat work to free the men up for combat flying the WAAS was formed when two other previously existing groups combined together one of the. Groups was the women's auxiliary ferrying squadron which had been organized by Nancy Harkness Love, and the other was the women's flying training attachment which had been arranged by Jackie Cochran when the two merged Cochran became the WASPS director to be eligible to join the wasp women needed between the ages of twenty one and thirty five, and the already needed to have a pilot's license. Flying was actually kind of a hobby for a lot of people at this time flying clubs had become really popular. Some women lived on farms or another rea rural areas and they had flying experience from flying crop dusters. But you need to have more than that to get a pilot's license in that meant that a lot of women were paying for their own training so that they could join the wasp and then once they did join, they had to get through further training, really intense training program to be able to do this work. These were the first women to fly aircraft for the US military. They flew virtually every type of aircraft. The military was using and more than a thousand women served in the wasp during. World World War Two thirty eight of them died during their service eleven of them during training and twenty seven during missions since they weren't considered part of the military though even though they were doing work that was definitely connected to the military these women when they died during service weren't given any kind of burial coverage they weren't giving military honors at their funerals. So when deaths did happen, usually it was their fellow wasp who raised the money to send their bodies home and to pay for their funerals. The whole idea at the beginning though had been that the wasp were eventually going to become part of the military but on June twenty-first of nineteen, forty, four Congress actually voted that idea down about six weeks. Later it was announced the wasp we're going to be completely disbanded when the program ended on December twentieth of Nineteen Forty Four. The last class of trainees had just graduated a few weeks before. Everyone was sent home, and this is a huge blow to all the women involved a big reason for this disbanding was that it looked like the war was coming to a close really soon and a lot of male pilots or worried about their jobs. So the program was ended to preserve those jobs for the men who would be returning from the front. The Wasp though to end on a happier note were finally granted military status at nine, hundred, seventy seven and in two thousand nine, the wasp were awarded the Congressional Gold Medal at which point about three hundred. Of them or still living and more than two hundred attended the ceremony in Washington DC you can learn more about the wasp in the March Twenty first and twenty third twenty sixteen episodes of stuff you missed in history class and those episodes. I interviewed Dr Catherine Sharp landeck about their history. Thanks to Terry Harrison for her audio skills. These episodes you can subscribe to this day in history class on apple podcasts, Google podcasts, and wherever else to get your podcasts. We'll be back in World War Two tomorrow although we'll be looking more at the end of the war. Did, you know GEICO's offering an extra fifteen percent credit on car and motorcycle policies. That's fifteen percent on top of what Gyco could already save you. So what are you waiting for your dentist to actually believe you and your flashing every day? Absolutely great and you're cutting down on your sweets of course. Wonderful. Then you need to look in their great see in six months there's never been a better time to switch to geico save an extra fifteen percent when you switch by October seventh limitations apply visit Geico, dot com for details. I've got grade school questions a million dollars to give away. Are you smarter than a fifth grader? Let's go. Get Ready. One of the most popular game shows of all time is coming to audio as a podcast. It's the easiest game show on the planet. All these grownups have to do is answer grade school level questions and prove that they are smarter than a fifth grader resting your hopes if you're wrong on somebody whose hands probably smell like Plato. It's the easiest Tom. Top. One. Funniest And most embarrassing game show ever. Are you smarter than a fifth grader, listen on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, hello, everyone. Welcome to this day in history class where we bring you a new tidbit from history every day. The Day was August sixteen hundred. John Refund Third Earl of Gowrie and his younger brother. Alexander Ruthven died under mysterious circumstances. The incident became known as the Gowrie conspiracy. Back, in fifteen sixty, six, patrick ruthven third, Lord Ruthven and his son William were involved in the murder of. The private secretary of Mary Queen of Scots. William Fourth Lord. Ruthin was pardoned and he was made Lord Treasurer of the Realm in fifteen seventy one. And in fifteen eighty one, he was named First Earl of gallery by James Six, the King of Scotland and the son of Mary Queen of Scots. The year after William was named Earl, he led the raid of Ruthven. Applaud when King James The six was held captive at Rothman, castle for several months while the remained at the head of government. The earl was pardoned but he continued to plot against the king and was eventually executed in fifteen eighty four. His oldest son James Second Earl of Gowrie die in fifteen, eighty, eight and Jonathan became the third earl of Galleria when he was a child. So the relationship James. The six had with the risk and family was a fraught one to say the least. James. Also owed the Rifkin's a considerable amount of money as the first earl of gallery had advanced money to the crown. When August Fifth Sixteen Hundred James set out to Heintz in Falkland. According to James's version of events while he was out Alexander Ruthven, approached him and said that he and his brother John had met a man carrying a pot of gold coins in the field outside Perth. The King agreed to write out to Perth to investigate the man. Once, the Royal Party got to the Gallery House in Perth they will allow exander took the king up the main staircase into a tour in Rome. But when he got there instead of meeting a man with a pot of gold, he found gallery servant. Henderson who was armed. Alluding to the execution of his father, the first Earl Alexander threaten to kill the king with Henderson's dagger. If he opened a window are called for help. Alexander. Left the room and told the King's party that he had left. Alexander soon, returns to the room were Henderson and the king were and the conflict resumed. But James cripes reason and called for help and his followers who saw the struggle at the window came upstairs to help him. The. Birth in brothers were killed in the ensuing struggle the king made it out alive and the corpses of the brothers were later hanged and quartered their body parts put on spikes. Many people did not believe James's story and it's still not clear whether the conspiracy was by the Rathbun's or against them must. Maybe, the ROTHMANS plans to seize the king and failed or maybe James was conspiring to get rid of the Robbins and his indebtedness or the Rothmans could have upset James in some way that led to an unplanned struggle. The circumstances surrounding the conspiracy were investigated, but the explanation for the events of August fifth remains a mystery. I'm Eve Jeff Coach, and hopefully you know a little more about history today than you did yesterday. You can find us on twitter instagram and facebook at t the I H fi podcast. Tune in tomorrow for another day in history. For more podcasts from iheartradio iheartradio, APP apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows what happens after an advice columnist signs off on our news show dear therapists. From Iheartradio, we find out I'm Laurie Golly from the Atlantic and I'm guy wins from. Ted and each week we sit down with a listener for consultation. Then we asked them to come back on and tell us what happened. You can email us with your own dilemma at Laurean guy at iheartmedia dot com listen to dear therapists on Apple podcasts, the iheartradio, APP or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi. This is Lee Romney and Mike. 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Fly Girls

Radio Diaries

26:58 min | 6 months ago

Fly Girls

"This episode of the radars podcast has support from green chef. The first usda certified organic meal kit company with recipes to fit almost any diet. You'll find something to fit your family. And it's got tons of options for the kito paleo vegan vegetarian especially good for pressing the teenagers in your family. Who think that you can't cook. You really made this i did. It's actually issues as a tagline. Good green chef dot com slash ninety. Diaries and use code ninety diaries to get ninety dollars off including free shipping. That's green chef dot com slash nine zero. Diaries and use the code. Ninety diaries for ninety dollars off a radio dire is brought to you by progressive. Saving money on your car. Insurance is easy with progressive. An average savings of over seven hundred and fifty dollars for customers to switch and save in fact. Customers can qualify for an average of six discounts on their auto policy with progressive discounts for starting to quote online or having multiple vehicles on your policy. Get your quote online at progressive dot com and see how much you could be. Saving national annual average auto insurance savings by new customers surveyed in two thousand eighteen. Potential savings will bury discounts. Berry are not available in all states and situations radio from pierre. Xs radio topiary. This is radio diaries. Joe richman Today fly girls going soon after he entered office president biden issued an executive order allowing transgender people to serve in the military. It was the latest in a long series of shifts in who can serve. Who can't not long ago. Of course fighting in combat was for men only and it wasn't nineteen ninety-three. The congress lifted a ban against women flying in combat. Gene levitt became america's first female fighter pilot. She flew a total of three hundred combat hours of iraq and afghanistan but women actually started flying military aircraft much earlier than that five decades earlier during world war two at the time. Thousands of new airplanes were coming off assembly lines and needed to be delivered to military bases nationwide. But most of america's pilots were overseas fighting the war so the air force launched an experimental program to train hundreds of female pilots. They were called the women. Airforce service pilots. The wasps belt brattle feel pressure is fine okay. Now we're gonna start the engine mock auclair my name is elizabeth air taylor and we are in the great barrington. Airport and great barrington massachusetts. And i'm seventy nine years old. This is an archer two piper archer. Two aircraft our taxing down the runway and so don't call We have a bit of a crosswind on takeoff. Spit wendy today often. When i go to the airport there mayo policy. Come in. And they see an old lady there and they say How long have you been flying. I say for sixty years. They say sixty years and i say yes. I was wasp when they said a wasp. What's that jarecki's zero six two okay. We're ready to go. My name is libby gardner. And i flew the b twenty six the bomber which is often referred to as the widowmaker. My name is kelly. Landry steel i was assigned to the three hundred sixty nine targets squadron. Biggs field el paso. I'm charlie gregor finley is lease boden brown. Carol bailey bosca from springfield ohio. I fell in love with every airplane that came along. Like the p fifty one the b twenty four. I love the p forty seven. We all love to fly some us seven. Nineteen forty one eight date which will live in infamy united states of america was suddenly on deliberately attacked. They needed pilots. There were so many people that flew in nineteen forty period. The army only had about Eighteen hundred pilots after pearl harbor and they're removing minions. I received a telegram in december of nineteen forty two asking if i was interested in flying military aircraft. I didn't know anything about the wash program. There had been rumors about something like this. So i quit school and started to work at the airport so that i could build up my flight time so that i could qualify for the program. At that time there were some over three thousand women who had a private licence or more and they start going down the list. And i started reading this telegram and then on the bottom. It said you will. It didn't say we'd like to have you. Have you will report to this statler hotel on such and such a date such a time for an interview and i thought my god been drafted. This is technically grade. Lamar armies airport. This is an af two out of those buttons a skipping girl girls give a new angle to an air force story everywhere their badly needed for ferrying duties so that the man can do off the fight while wasp health get. Their ships started on the road overseas. They're want women's airforce service pilots. Dear mommy the first day. It's really a lot different than i thought it would be. It's a big field with lots of airplanes man. Oh man think of the money were costing uncle. Sam it is still an experimental stage. They are still quite doubtful. A women pilots. We supposed to be in bed by ten o'clock and for mission at six forty five and that is all i know so far. We find out the rest by hour tomorrow. I live in barracks six to obey civilian but under army discipline. they'll everything is strictly jr. they must go through the same training. Given soldier up at six day ending long after the texas son has that sweetwater texas is the most godforsaken place i mean. Just dust sagebrush dirt the ski in rattlesnakes and even at night says hot as hell skews my english hero. All these women from different walks of life millionaire heiresses like floor. I'm shoes upjohn drug company. Then you had poor kids like me from the farm and everybody was in the same boat. Had the same ill-fitting clothes you arrived in your own clothes but then you would report to supply thinking. Wow should i order ten. Or twelve and the sergeant behind the desk could say forty two or forty four late. Seuss we were wearing for man. I mean it was enormous enormous. You know it was just enormous in every direction mine stood by itself. We'd have to get up in the morning. We'd march to the flight line. Everybody would be singing. Needs shave fall in. And we'd all fall in and they'd say hip hop march and read to wherever wing and it wasn't in the habit of having seen yesterday every shave tail that came on some of them even younger than i and some of them. Pretty stupid i saw. This is a big mistake until we got started in the airplanes. Beck's gun like oh let below her raw. Lying student is required by army regulation gonna parachute and go out and put this big parachute on. Climb up on. his airplane. Hit put goggles and helmet. We had fur-lined jackets fur-lined pants and fur-lined boots because we were an open cockpit and it was cold it was in the wintertime so we climb in and then instructor would take you up. And then he'd say okay. Honey i'm gonna show you how to do a slow roll. He's fasten your seatbelt. Make sure it's fastened so you fasten your seatbelt with at the controls. The instructor in the rear seat director in the finer points of flying military planes in the military way with clicking maneuver. First time you do that. And he turned over upside down the arms full out your legs fall out and all the dirt falls out of the plane. And you're just hanging there on the seat belt and often would see white thing floating down to the ground because somebody had forgotten to fasten their seatbelt and there with some girl be floating down to the ground with a car shoot. I'll tell you the first time. I flew in eighty six tears. Roll down my cheeks. I just thought well. I'll never master. This is too much for me. Take me back to the farm. But anyway you get over it funny thing but you do long girl they. The rookie is six months ago and well disciplined attachment now. The wasps are ready to go to work and do a job. That has the light of all the air force officials. Good weather fan. They fan out. Some areas faces california. Texas delaware michigan. We did a lot of odd jobs. They didn't wanna waste demand on ferrying. Planes testing planes. Flying officers around towing targets were in a tow target squadron. Our main mission. There was training these boys at fort bliss in anti aircraft because they were gonna go overseas and try to shoot the enemy planes out of the sky and to learn how to do that they had to have somebody up there flying these targets for them to shoot at and we were the duck bow guns ready they park on the target told by a plane you know they were shooting live bullets at the target and one night we were towing in Upbeat twenty six and the flagstar bursting in front of us and the target was behind us so we had to take some basic action to get an call. The ground forces adult them that we are not completing this mission where rolling in our target and going home. We'll come back tomorrow and see if you can shoot any better. Most of what we did was very monotonous. Those searchlight missions. We were abrupt there at night. Flying these patterns plying forty five degree angle to the right one hundred and eighty degree turn forty five degree angle for four hours. We're doing this eighteen to twenty one year. Old men are not very good at that because they they're all hotdogs but women have been trained all their life to do repetitive jobs. You do the dishes three times a day. Make the bids every day. We're used to that kind of thing. And if we got some that were fun like the stripping and so on that was just enough to keep stimulating. You know we. We didn't have to be flying under bridges or a canyons. All i will admit that some months into it. I began to be a little bored with flying around in a rectangular pattern. The older man didn't think we could fly the airplanes. They didn't think we were strong enough. They didn't I don't think they trusted us. I would have gone into combat any minute for the simple reason. I think if out ahead some training i think i would have been pretty good at dogfighting. Mass production in the united states is the beat. Twenty nine per fortress the largest fastest and most powerful bomber ever built. It was nineteen forty four in july and the b twenty nine was going to be the biggest and the best bomber in the world. It was made for the long range. Nobody of course knew anything about it. Any atomic bombs or anything at that point but it would be the aircraft that would allow us to win the war in the pacific. That's why they were very anxious to get this into the inventory but it had experienced some engine fires and they were having these problems at the training bases with people who were reluctant to fly it. Each airplane had its own reputation and they did not want the b twenty nine to have a bad reputation and there was a man named colonel. Paul tibbets he had the idea that if he could get to women to fly this that he could take them to the training bases of the b twenty nine and show them in that it was so easy to fly. Even a woman could lie it. That's how he shows the two of us. It was a all inspiring feeling the power that you could feel in those engines. It was like flying an apartment house. Practically i forget what the wings span is one hundred and forty four feet. I think but when you're flying it felt so easy compared with what. I thought it would feel like it was easy to turn it. It was easy to climate. It was easy to even stall it. It was dream ship. I had no problem at all and the word spread all over. My gosh. there's two women find miss thing. The worst thing that happened to me were in fighter. School and my roommate was killed. She was flying formation and eighty six and she was in the back seat. Her instructor was up front and she was in the middle of a formation of three airplanes. And the fellows behind her us have taken their eyes off the other wang and their wing went through her hats and hit on the head and knocked her out and her instructor couldn't raise her so he bailed out and she went in with airplane. I had to take her body home to new york. State from brownsville texas. I had the chiller parents. I did not like that job. Thirty eight women were killed in either training or assignments. Evelyn sharp out in oklahoma. That was an engine. Failure p thirty eight. there was one out of schofield. she was out testing a bt thirteen. They found her she'd crashed some of them were piloted air and some were engine problems and some were collisions and was rather sobering thing. But i don't know that it affected anybody's desire to go out right away again. Wars are very much fun. We were all losing our relatives our boyfriends or husbands are brothers and it it just made everybody wants to do as much as they possibly could to win the war and get it over with but in the meantime we were enjoying it. You must understand that. We love to fly and that was built in every single one of us a lot of times. You're by yourself and the be up there by yourself flying you can just fly around. Look around her play hide and seek in the clouds and then sometimes apply have kim lewis because all around me and be pretending new york city. Going down the down all the high rises alongside with clouds. We just felt we had really won a prize to yet to fly these airplanes which were off limits for us and the ordinary way and to get paid for doing it and to know that we were contributing to the war effort. It's just too much very few men ever got a chance like that and here we were. We had the best airplanes in the world. The vessels factors in the world. We had made and then all of a sudden army. Says we don't need you anymore We'll be back with our story about the wasps after this break. This episode of radars has support from worby parker. Did i wear shouldn't mean sacrificing a good price. That's why we'll be. Parker offers boutique quality. I wear starting at just ninety five bucks. You can choose between prescription sunglasses. Progressives or their new contact lenses. that's more your style. They even had lenses that filter blue light after sitting in front of my computer for over a year on zoom calls. Blue light lenses seemed like an excellent idea. Or if you're someone who has a hard time making decisions include myself you can try parker's free home. Try on program. Were five pairs of glasses to try at home for free for five days. There's no obligation to buy ships free and includes a prepaid return shipping label to try five pairs of glasses at home for free at worby parker dot com slash diaries. That's worby parker. Dot com slash. Diaries you're listening to radio. Diaries back to our story about the women. Airforce service pilots of world war two to each member of the wasp. I'm very proud of you. Young women you have freed mayo pilots for other work but now the war situation has changed and the time has come when your services are no longer needed. If you continue in the service you would be replacing instead of releasing our young men. I know that the waas wouldn't want that. So i have directed that the wasp program be inactivated. All waspy released on the twentieth december of nineteen. Forty four my sincere thanks and happy. Landings always h h arnold army air force general henry eight journal of the army air force a huge crowd. Their general arnold made primary speech and newton is so wonderful sendoff. Frankly i didn't know nineteen forty one. Whether it's a girl fight. The controls be seventeen and heavy weather now in nineteen forty. Four it on the record that women can fly at that at the end of the ceremony. We all marched down. Of course we all hate her hair. Vicky nice sang the zone. We're the last last class of venture field a whole day of celebration and then the next day we all packed from the field december. Twenty nine thousand nine hundred forty four and that's when we left it was sad. It was really sad. I knew that. I would never never get in those airplanes again city Go blue and that's true and we ain't gonna be here much long or two of the girls went up to alaska. Became bush pilots. Some found jobs in charter services. They dusted crops. They taught other people to fly a. They will the real exception there. Just were not jobs for women s pilots. Not only the was but all the other women that took part in the war effort the women that man the factories and women that ran their farms remained the built ships. They all lost their jobs because the men came back after the war we went right back where we were supposed to be home and have children and raise families in and where it's supposed to be flying airplanes. We're what supposed to be doctors and lawyers and engineers and all those things we were before our time if you have a daughter teacher how to fly if you have a son throw the bastard. In the sky singing zoot suits and parachutes and wings of sue over to heal ferret airplanes. Like his. mommy used to twenty five thousand. Women applied eighteen hundred and thirty seven. I think were accepted for training and seventy four graduated. It doesn't seem real to me. Sometimes you know that That i actually did that. If you were out in the crowd and social conversation someone said do you remember world war two and you said well we guess i for the air force and they come on be ridiculous. They didn't have any women in the air force right back. Airport turkey. zero six two applying at Twelve hundred feet year speed is sixty across win turning onto our final approach right now back home again in one piece. Sometimes i have dreams that for. And i'm flying b twenty five twenty six p forty seven's and all the beautiful. You know warbirds i mean. I think it's funny. Because i haven't flown for so many years. And it seems strange to me. That eighty-five be dreaming. Flying airplanes can get a chance to ride in one of these airplanes that we used to play. I don't wanna ride in one. I don't want to write it in another eighty six or be twenty-five. I want to remember it when i did it. I think it's much more real to me and much more enjoyable to media. Remember the way it was nineteen seventy seven more than thirty years after the program ended. Congress declared that the wasps were veterans of world war. Two which meant they could finally received full veteran benefits and military funeral honors of the one thousand and seventy four women who graduated as watts in the war. It's believed that fewer than thirty or still alive today. This story was produced by myself. With crash edited by deborah george and ben shapiro. The radio is podcast is produced by nelly. Gillis reviewed ariza's a small nonprofit organization. We could not produce these stories about support from you and from our funders. 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RFT 496: Air Force/Airline/Fractional Pilot Peggy Carnahan

Ready For Takeoff - Turn Your Aviation Passion Into A Career

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RFT 496: Air Force/Airline/Fractional Pilot Peggy Carnahan

"This is the ready for take-off podcast episode four ninety-six my name is george colleen. Today i'm talking to peggy carnahan. Today's podcast is brought to you by hand fist over the trail. The first in the half his novel series. It's nine hundred sixty nine. Hamilton hammerfest handcock always wanted to fly. Jets the war in vietnam needs him. pretty bad. but in a propeller-driven plane over the hokey men trail as a forward air controller casualty rate of facts also means. It's just a matter of time before his numbers might as well hang while at least that is until he meets the love of his life during our now all he wants to do is make it through his combat tour without getting shot down again ham fist over. The trail. Now available in audio book is based on my own experiences during my first tour in vietnam. It's available now at audible for twelve ninety nine or you can get a free copy right now. At free hanff dot com audible has a free trial of their service. And if you don't like it you can cancel anytime. It's still keep the hanff is so peggy is a fractional jet pilot. She is a has a cattle business. She's a retired air force pilot. She's a retired airline pilot. She's got a lot of things that she's done and she's an air force academy graduate. So it's a it's great having you with us today. Peggy thank you george. It's my pleasure to be here. You're welcome so tell us how you got your start in aviation well. Unlike most everybody you interview who dreamt is a small child of being a pilot. That wasn't me. I stumbled into it totally by accident. I was a senior in high school on number six out of seven children of family and was looking for scholarships to to college with so i was applying for. Rotc scholarships my sister. Who is the next one in line. Head of me have full ride army. Rotc scholarship to arizona state. So i was trying to do the same type thing. And i went to go pick up a recommendation from a but local leaders an officer in our little town and he handed me paperwork for the air force academy because president ford had just signed into law to open up the academies to women the afternoon and he said. I need your answer by monday if you want to go after this so eventually i said oh what. The heck why not try it and went through the whole process which. I'm now several months behind the the game. There is one other guy in my high school class who was Pursuing the academy. As well. And i was playing catch up on everything. We went through all the testing and did a very poor job of filling out. My forms got rescued by the liaison ostrom several times and finally i was offered an appointment in. I decided to go ahead and accept it in show up at the air force academy at the time women. There were no women pilots in the air force. Women allowed to fly in the air force. And i was told. It's not going to be a and at that point. I couldn't see beyond like two or three days ahead was my long range view. Life so get to the academy. sir fumble. I wasn't the world's greatest connecticut. And i sort of fumbled around the first couple of years and i finally. I had a roommate who she was dedicated. She had goals she was going to medical school. And it rubbed off on me. And i decided i wanted to graduate. I wanted to be near force officer. And i wanted to serve with these people that i was training with because this is the kind of people i wanted to be with and our senior year You take your airmanship course there. At the time it was the t forty one program if you qualified in if he weren't than you did the navigator program the t. forty-three and so i went through t forty one sold. The flying was no problem. However i was overloading and failed the the academic test and had to retake that farewell. That tells me. I shouldn't be a pilot and a good thing they don't we had the the women were going through pilot training now but that was still a test program from that first class at starting seventy seven. That was a test program. While this fall our senior late seventy nine they declared it an official program. The test was of success. We could go to pilot training and at the time You i was thinking. I was gonna go to navigate or training. Maybe i was planning on getting married to the guy back home and go be to navigate transferred. That was pretty easy. I could take care of him and do all the stuff. I need to do through navigator trained by couldn't handle train and being a wife at the same time and then i stopped and thought per second and my sister's like slapping me upside the head. I think what you're doing. I said okay. Ditch the guy and along with it if he didn't go to pilot training your pilot qualified. You had to go speak to the commodore cadets ads like i don't want to talk to any general so i will go to pilot training. It just seemed to be easier to do home. That was how i stumbled into it. It was like this opportunity presented itself. Timmy i said what the head sounds like a good idea and went with it one. I got the pilot training. I went with the mindset. Of if i don't make it through it's not gonna be for lack of trying on my part were you in. Were you the first class of women at the air force academy us realize eighty was the first class to graduate women at the air force academy well. So it's a class ahead of you is that elsie. Wbz on the rings correct. Okay lagging on everything. Yeah right. I'll be doing now. Okay so where would you go to pilot training. Vance air force base in enid oklahoma class eighty one. Oh eight and there were two other Females for mine academy class in that piloting class. There is a total of five of us. Total in the Women in between the two sections and of course it was predominantly the other people in the class were predominantly my classmates from the academy so i had a whole team of brothers there with me and everything so it was a real good group real good class very supportive of everybody One of the ladies washed out or chose that this was not took the career path for her. She went off Unless the pilot train track and went to missiles and had a terrific air force career as a missile squadron commander than the rest of us state and we had one of the lady the first female to check from an airport airplane. Wash back to classes to action in so we still graduate with five women in our pilot training class. Just different ones. I chose to. I did well in pilot training now. I could fly. I had to work really hard. Headed study really hard but i could do it and it was something i enjoyed and for once. I wasn't fumbling around and being you know kind of a mediocre at something. It was something. I did well and they my first check ride with really. I did really well. My first chat cried immediately. Start talking to you about stained a flight instructor. At the time the only female flight instructor dance airforce base was eileen collins the space shuttle shan right who was the teeth ozone in the t. Thirty eight squadron. So they were. I knew as the year went on to pilot train. There's a real good chance. I was gonna stay as an instructor and to me. That seem to be a really good idea. Because i wanted to fly. Combat aircraft after when they opened up combat aircraft women they would come to those of us flying high-performance airplanes two teeth. Recent the ejection seat airplane right and i was corrected just to them. What longer and. I thought they would to get that done so. I stayed on a state as a first assignment. Ip our faith there were two ladies from the class ahead of me who also state is t thirty seven face when they got their assignment night. i remember thinking okay. Those two are going to thirty seven at means. I'm gonna t thirty eight. Because i know the airforce likes to balance. Everything and i was shocked on assignment. Night though i got my number one choice to the t thirty seven there were there. Were not thirty billable. Oh there are plenty of t thirty eight available. But i was a distinguished graduate when you're the top. Ten percent of the classic guarantee your first choice long choice was the t thirty seven. Because that's where you're truly in my personal opinion truly instructing the t thirty eight guys were just reading refining skills. We were taking the pedestrian and teaching them to be a pilot and that certain mission appeal more to me. And i love the tweet on one of those weirdos. But i love the t thirty seven and the mission for it so i was very happy. I got to to stay as an instructor that so. Let me add the t thirty seven for those of our listeners. Who don't know is called the six thousand pound dog whistle. So how is your hearing. It's actually surprisingly good. I do have the tonight oeser. Tinnitus you pronounced. It hurt that but Luckily we had here. Hearing protection was evolving. My husband did five tours and t thirty seven and a half the time he can't hear me in in such so anyway but he's also a stubborn and he had he was around. Four is a lot to the back in the day when we didn't really protect our hearings as wheat switch to the newer flight helmets and the foam earplugs came out and a lot of other. Things are hearing protection really improved. So it's not that so. Did you stay advance. Did you go to a different base. Estate advance Did the three year tour there. Along the way they came out at the time was air training. Command had a developed a career path call occur trainer and Because most of your instructors in the training command come from other weapons systems. They come in. They do a tour and they leave and go back to their major weapon system right a core of professional trainers to be the mainstay of the command. So you've got some continuity and you've got a corporate memory and you've got experience doing that as you have. Transient instructor for coming and going. So i was submitted for that by my squadron. Commander and i don't really remember him consulting me on it when he did it. But i wound up being till your career trainer now. So i didn't have to worry about trying to get a semi c. One forty one or kc one thirty five which were basically the only two choices for women at the time right to fly in my spout assignment was as chief forty one instructor beck at the air force academy. I got to go do a three year tour. There had a really good young really enjoyed it. helped coached the women's rugby team while he was there working with cadets got my master's degree done in my spare time as much as there was a and just had a really good tour of their gut rid. Why i say. I exercised a bunch of the ghosts that followed me from my cadet days. Because i was like i said i wasn't the world's greatest cadet so i did a lot better as an instructor up there and i did start working with mentoring in. It's the first time i was really stationed with other women pilots. We had women pilots. Who are arabs. Your commanding up on the hill we. Eileen collins was in the math department we had women over in the glider squadron. We had we had women aviators Lynn tag she retired as a brigadier general and is now a passed on but she was flying the twin otter for the the jump team so we had a whole bunch of there and we were hanging out together doing things together and we meant or together to mentor. The female cadets a lot tried to generate more interest in aviation among them and provide them some support to because there are still a lot of things the others were still adjusting to having women at the academy in the eighty five eighty six eighty seven time frame still and then even though had been almost decade would been there had. There's still things weren't right well so that was a very rewarding time to go back to the economy for you. It was yes. This is great. It was not my main to start in really network with other professional women in the aviation community in the air force as well now did you follow that with your pentagon tour now from there. I got married right towards the end of that tour and about three months. After i got married i was able to transfer to randolph air force base in san antonio. And that's where my husband was based at the time and he was working in a headquarters a non flying job at the time so i was hired to do software development course where development i guess is the better word work because it was mostly textbooks and manuals for pilot training and pilot instructor training. And then as well as you're learning center videos you're learning centers slide shows. We were developing those things as well in also morphed into working with some of the computer. Aided instruction that we were trying to introduce into pilot training on the side. I flew with the chief. Thirty seven squadron. Their trading new instructors as well well so now you have a very extensive background in air force pilot training to get your thoughts on. What just read about this augmented reality training. They're going to be doing with new pilots in the air force. You got any thoughts on that. I'm a conflicted with it now. Haven't read my initial article in the night also saw about two weeks ago that the chief of staff of the for air force general round made a statement that we needed because of all the rash of incidents and accidents. We need to return to basics in our pilot training. So i'm not sure how those melt in i in being in the current environment where we do all of our training in the simulator and they sign you off on everything in the simulator versus experiencing things in the actual airplane. It's it does make me wonder of how much of your airmanship and judgment is impacted by so much simulation so much artificial training versus hands on thing. I flew into telluride on sunday in that little that little runway on tap that mesa flying in there it looks completely different from what it does in the simulator at wool the landing allusions of the big huge canyon. All around the runway and the mountains in the snow showers rolling through and everything completely different. From what you see in the simulator and the the sensory impact of it is very dramatic. So how much of that gets impacted versus. You've got the can. This is what the computer says it would be like in the simulator. I'm a little conflicted with that. But they haven't asked my opinion on it. So what did you do after that. Is that when you went to the pentagon with a stop at maxwell air force base for staff air command and staff. College did that for a year and then talked my way into a position up at the pentagon because at that was just i was the first class after the end of desert storm and they had changed the assignment system to where you have to go and apply for jobs get hired as posted them telling you what you do so you had to go round. Advertise everything at the same time you had the downsizing of the air force the a that was the post co- cold war downsize as well as coming back from desert storm downsizing so it was really hard to find a job and if you're the one who's still standing on the music stop playing musical chairs you're not going to continue on with your career. So i talked my way into a rated manpower job up in the director manpower organization at The pentagon at the air staff. And even though i didn't meet their qualifications they were on the advertisement. That was just what they put the ad in reflected the current occupant of the job. Right so i got. I talked my way into that. I can learn all this stuff and everything and it was. it was important work but it was tedious. Going through the database. And everything and trying to. When you're doing manpower you're figuring out the requirements not the not the personnel side. But what does it. What does this job need to be done. So we're trying to figure out exactly how many pilots what type of pilot what type of navigator we needed in the air force to To have sustained the twenty fighter wing force which was the sizing label. We had at the time. So did that for year. And then got hired into the director programs evaluation which also owned roundup owning manpower working in what was called the engine room are the program. Integration office in that was the one that did Behind vault and you did all the programming work in. We had a programming and budgeting drills. We went to twenty four hour. Ops and melded all the input from all the different teams and put it together. Build the briefing books and all that and it is known to be. There's a plaque on the walls. This is where ron fogelman earned. His first star room type thing for house out was I was in charge of joint in sync issues for supporting the combat commanders. So that was my area of expertise. And we also built the the palm wrote the air force pawn the program operating memorandum that we produced that document as well so i had whole volume of that. That was mine along with that. I also is a little bit of a a called a spy. But i was to gather intel for the boss and i had connections in all the other services wells in dod and we were all doing the same thing. The idea was to get our bosses all on the same level so when they walked into a meeting like the of unified front without them. Actually talking each other and i was also gathering intel. That was right when the clinton administration was coming in so who is going to be appointed. What position who is running. What's there background. Who are they which way where they're important issues in such as gathering that for the bosses well and so. I had the perfect excuse to go down to the gym everyday day. Go running and because people will talk to you when you're in your gym clothes like you wouldn't believe they will open up as spill their guts to you so it was really fun for me to just go out. Wander around and socialize. Meet people and come back lol kinds of juicy gossip for the boss got to do that. And then finally. I was moved up to the front office to be the executive officer for the two star of their and finished out my tour as the program evaluation executive officer Taking care of that front office and when you were the pentagon were you doing any any support flying like thirty nine or she. Twenty-one now we my husband was. He had retired from the air force at that point. He retired while. I was at at maxwell at montgomery doing staff college and he was trying to get on with the airlines. Of course. that's right when the airlines could hiree picked up a part job but he needed was trying to get on with world airways but he needed a few more flying hours. So we were going out to manassas running a one seventy two inches buzzing around the shannon doha's and just having fun so that was how i stayed flying during my nonflying tour was just going out and taking out as one seventy two or g and just going around and going places for lunch on the weekend and such so Otherwise i was. We're calling ourselves penguins. We were flightless birds so after the pentagon did you get a flying assignment again yet. I got a sent back to randolph air force base to be the operations officer for the five fifty nine flying training squadron. The billy goats which was not thirty seven pilot instructor training squadron. And i did that for a year and a half or so and then was able to move up to be. The squadron commander and was that was in that was my career goal was to be competitive to scorn. Commander am i actually got a squadron. I just died and gone to heaven. Ah it was The big pressure on us was at the time we had the best safety record in the united states. Air force it been thirty five years with no class-a accident and so not that anybody is leaning over you watching you like but don't screw it up and i had just a terrific squadron. A terrific bunch of folks working for me. They were very motivated. We did worked really hard to train the new instructors and have them going out a well-equipped to their pilot training bases and hopefully motivated for how important their job was. Because most people go t thirty seven instructor. That's not important is one of the most important jobs out there because you are teaching future pilots. You're the one teaching them how to be pilots. Nate go on and spread it out to other people as they continue through their careers. So your impact on one person spreads all i call it dandelions seeds going all over the place so i was trying to hammer home that this is an important job. You may think is. It's a job that's sort of looked down upon in the air force but it is so important and everything and along with it we were bringing on the t six. The new the texan to as e thirty seven replacement. So i also was. I had a second operations officer who is in charge. The t six of up it. We're working with the development team from material command to for how they're billing the writing the books and everything ready because of the t six went in at laughlin air force base in del rio texas. I we regain its second and so we weren't doing any instructor training but we're gearing up to be able to do the instructor training Shortly afterward come off and running i had. I was running the dual operations at the same time am had the dental pilots coming down with the airplane. All the time and flying people around and getting trying to figure out. How are we gonna do our operations. And all that sorta stuff so looking not only just doing our mission but looking forward to what we need to do for future operations with a new airplane as well very neat. Was your last assignment in the air force. Well i was at the point where i wanted to keep going. My husband wanted to go do this cattle thing and he was for world airways at the time so we were still discussing what we were which way we're going to go they. I was prime to go to a senior service school. And i needed time to try to figure out why i really wanted to do so. I sort of convinced them. That would be a really good idea to keep me on to continue. Bring the t six up in operation up and running and get it online so they they bought it and they let me stay in extra year in. I was a deputy operations group commander for the tools app. Ops group there at randolph and i was primarily working on the t six issues but along with it. We're the largest operations group in in the air force. 'cause we and we had three geographical locations because we also in the air force academy we owned honda which was still doing which was still a quasi flight screening operation at the time it was during the demise of the t three firefly and then we had the navigator training and all the other the other training. That was going on there at randolph. So we had a lot of stuff going on so they could always use the extra help so i did that for year and along the way it was. My husband finally convinced me that i probably should retire because as a career trainer. He said i'd be lucky to be the drug czar to guatemala as a full colonel. I've just probably wouldn't have any of those fun. Colonel jobs and i end up having been one of those drudge colonels. Who's doing just paperwork and stuff in. He said you won't enjoy so i said okay. Fine i'll go ahead and put in my retirement papers. We did the t six arrival ceremony. And then the next day. I started my out processing for retirement in Retired in did that ceremony. In early june of two thousand with an official retirement date of one august of two thousand and then seven days later i was hired. I started at american airlines and was training in the md. Eighty the super eighty and was doing that while he was fine for world airways and we were trying to get a cadillac operation. Up and running. All sorts of stuff was going on a courses. You go through nine eleven hits and then everything starts falling apart so what looked like a great job. Where dynamic flying. You're moving up in the being able to hold the line you're scheduled up better and better will suddenly now. I'm back on reserve. i'm back on the all night reserve. I might crash pad falls. Apart is irregular furloughed. Things just got worse and worse so finally when they called me in late. Two thousand three to say i was going to be furloughed in march. Two thousand and four. I said thank you. I weren't happy to be furloughed. Because i just wasn't enjoying it. Just it just was not doing anything for me. Sure so Furloughed in march and was just doing his teaching college. Substitute teaching your locally. I was doing odd job things just in supporting stuff here at home while my husband of course world airways with everything going on afghanistan and iraq was super busy doing military support so he was fine like crazy and i was just maintaining the home front bringing in some loose cash here and there and then it looked like he was he had turned sixty and was a flight engineer for the dc ten and it looked like they were going to get rid of their dc tents which would mean he would be on the street as well as well. Maybe i need to go find a real job and there was a major fractional company For those who don't know fractional flying is it's it's sort of like time share of an airplane. People buy a share of an airplane and the company does all the maintenance supplies. The pilots takes care of all management stuff and everything and You'll you'll see advertisements on cnbc for all the different companies out there right. So this one base in saint louis which was a three hour drive for me and my laws were halfway between here and saint louis work out fine. I could just stage out of their spare bedroom as i needed to. And everything after. This'll be a good job. The tide us over. Until i get recalled to america well when time came to get recalled for american i was enjoying flying the fractional world so much i wound up disorder deferring until finally at the very end. They called like we have a class state for you next week and i was like. Wow i can't make that date and they said okay bye and that was it so technically i'm retired from american because i get a little teeny tiny retirement from them every month. But i am. I never went back. And so i continued to fly for this fraction. Have been here over sixteen years and really enjoy it. I'm involved in our pilot union. Which is a terrific union. And i'm different committees. And i just the dynamics of no days the same no day really execute the way you think it's going to we have what more responsibility We are the frontline customer service reps to the people on the airplane. I don't have a flight attendant on my airplane. So we we load the luggage. We take care of the passengers We if there's an issue with their transportation or something we work it it. There's some other little thing they would do some. Maybe you're in route and deciding. I really need to go here. Instead of where i was going times we'll divert. We'll go someplace else because the person in the back decides you know my wife's over here so why don't i go. Land there and pick her up and then we can go on to where we are type thing. All kinds of weird stuff happens and it's very dynamic. It's harder work than the airlines. Where you just walked down the bridge turn left and sit down so physically demanding a lot more. But i find it a lot more rewarding and a lot more challenging and you say physically demanding. You're loading bags and putting on engine covers at the end of the flight and things like that too right. Yes we are in all weather and everything and you know. I'm not that tall. I'm five four if you squint really well. And some of these people bring these big huge hard sided suitcases. That come up to my armpit. And so it's like okay. It's a good thing. I'm here lifting fifty pound bags of feed to feed the cattle all the time. Silence them in shape for doing that. And sometimes the one of the guys that works on the ramp takes pity on me all come over and help me lift it up their type thing but we're scrambling we're moving all the place. We clean the airplane as well. So we're the ones that are back. They're pointing the seats out and vacuuming around. And just we do everything but you. You don't have the toilets. We don't empty them. Luckily the plane the plane i have now has externally service lavatory. The previous had one where you had to pull a pot out from underneath. It was a citation encore and back in the back of the airplane. It was dark. It was cramped. And usually i was the one who got to go stand on their head and pull that out because everybody else was too big too tall. Too broad shoulder it through the little tiny doorway to get to it so luckily this airplane. I'm on the embraer phenom. Three hundred whole vera points externally. Yeah it's a real nice. Airplane has an external service laboratory. Just wipe down the inside. And if he gets too bad then we call for professional cleaning in. It's it's somebody else who has the proper protection comes in there and does that but the fee nom is a really i. I've been my first non cessna that i've flown other than the md. eighty two. When i started here on the citation ten which i absolutely loved i loved blowing the doors off of everybody out there at point nine to mock especially having been on the t thirty seven in the super eight and the md eighty which are considerably slower than the rest of the world and making fun of everybody being in the way and all that it was just it was just a terrific play loved flying it and the then i upgrade to the left seat opportunity was to the citation encore which is a straight wing cessna five sixty e and in some ways it had t thirty seven systems on it. Lot stuff was very similar. They're now flu that. For about twelve years until we disposed of that night got displaced to the fee nam and I really enjoying it. I'm state of the art. Garmin grab avionics a terrific capable. He's got a little quirks and everything but it's really pretty fine to fly so now your schedule is typically seven days on seven days off as correct. That's that's the schedule. I choose to fly. We have a variety of schedules that we can fly. But i like the seven on seven off and they will. They will give you transportation to your first point where you start your your actual flying. Is that right. Correct the night. Before i come on duty. I get a briefing across my company iphone. That tells me what time to show the next day. And where whether it be at the f. b. o. or at the terminal here at outside springfield missouri is where i'm based so i. My my job is to be where they tell me to be at that time in It could be if there's an airplane over the f. b. o. For me to fly than i will start from there but typically getting on airline or there is a rental car someplace nearby or even a last week. They put me in a sedan with driver. That drove me to saint louis to get to the airplane. So they've been they've been really good with cova did not trying not to it rather put me on an airline to chicago and then back down to saint louis. Just give me a sedan with a driver to drive me there and minimize the exposure to two other people we can now. I would assume that we've covid going for the past year. That businesses really picked up from fractionals. It has it has we. We are very. It bounced back quicker than the commercial airlines have. And we're very busy right now. So because it's a real secure way for a those who have the financial means to do it the fly because it's just them in the airplane had stated the art protection in sanitized sanitation done sanitizing their word for it. They're got all kinds of protection. There are protocols are very precise. We're very careful in everything. And that's a big selling point for along with our just overall safety of it so between points or you responsible for taking like a uv light and sanitizing the seat now. The seats are treated with a called clear application and it lasts for about sixty days in its micro mile so it kills everything it. Nothing can live on the seats so we do have a particular procedures. We follow between each flight with how we go through and sanitized the cabin. But it's not a you the light type thing like the airlines do. It's a special spray. We do special procedure for wiping everything down and sanitizing everything. You wear masks a covert mask when you fly. It depends any time. We are facing the owners of the passengers in the back anytime we interact with them were required to have a mask gone up in the cockpit up in the flight deck. Of course it's open to the back. We don't have a door. We have a curtain week whole of we need to block out the light but It depends on you. Sit with your partner. And you figure out where you comfortable with. And i flow with people who prefer we were mass. And i flung with people who i'm impervious doll bugs. It's not gonna bother me sing though. It's you work with the person you fly with you. Decide whatever makes everybody comfortable. And that's what you do. Then the singers. Come up to talk to you in the back. I usually have my mask hanging from my ear. So do is only across my face. Talk to them now. When you when the pastor's come to the airplane or the security person you have to check their id and things. I've got specific procedures. The company runs them through against a no fly list. While even get us and then we are required to verify depending upon whether it was a part ninety one k or part one thirty five flight. You've got different protocols for how you're supposed to verify identification so we follow those to make sure that the person we have is who were supposed to have and have you had many occasions where the the passengers acted up. I've not had a single one really. I mean well. I've had them be what i would call of unusual behavior but not anything that i saw worse on the airlines with Just going from o'hare to denver on american. I had worse people in the back. This is just. It's it's just people who have money and that's how some time say act but definitely With non with one of the beauties of the smaller airplane exists the smallest winter fleet. Is that the egos of the people in the back. Tend to be a little bit smaller as well. So they don't as opposed to those. I i hear stories that the bigger the airplane and goes more issues. People have it but there there. I don't know if the stories are for real or just somebody's you know. It makes good war story when you're sitting around the the tables in the f. b. o. Someday so i've not had not had any problems with anybody acting tina at all. We'll watch great now. How many legs. Typically how many legs a day do you fly in the three two three to four legs typically day. We may do is does many as six and done as little as you want or sometimes we have to. We sit stand by because we're backing up You might have a region that needs coverage because of an airplane breaks. We need to have another airplane there to rescue you know to come into as a rescue ship to fill that mission so sometimes what we do. Is we sit around a the f. b. o. All day and everything. I haven't had to do that much lately. Because they've got us on the move pretty good but for it when i first got hired. We're doing that quite a bit. And i had so much time to kill and the fbi does that. I hated being one of those just sat there and stared at the tv. So i signed up now. Teaching master's courses for the air force on their online master's degree program teaching jeff warfare and that was sort of keeping me connected but now you know they as they continue with their. They continue to make that course more Demanding for the students which required making more demanding for the instructors and it was consuming a lot of my time. And i just finally had to last year. I said i. I just can't do this anymore. So i had to reluctantly resigned from doing that but it was really fun to keep my fingers in the air force pie. Sure team teaching. That course very neat so and sometimes you might carry something. Carry some people for pointed and then you'd very an empty airplane. Two point seat to pick up a different Different passengers we do that. We may we may be doing that or if we have. Sometimes you've got a corporate account and they're going around busy multiple sites so you keep the same people throughout maybe two days. Doing short hawks to different locations of somebody's got stores in multiple locales there Or typically it's fly people some place and if they don't have another trip coming out of there fairly quickly then will ferry somewhere in pit up but we It's amazing how efficient we can be when we fly in somewhere or maybe a few hours later were flying out with passengers. So i did that several times this past week and how much lay overtime or you're guaranteed a minimum of ten hours off but they usually are striving more towards twelve to fourteen. So the ten hours if you're doing a fourteen hour day in that that's our maximum duty daylight is fourteen hours and then followed by ten hours off and then you do another fourteen hour day. You're gonna be really tired at the end. So we have a terrific no-fault fatigue policy. If you're fatigued you call in nets you know no questions asked and the company supports you and you're taking off given at minimum fourteen hours off then to to rest so they realized that that causes some unscheduled disruption disruptions in the schedule that they weren't planning on so if they can minimize the fourteen ten fourteen ten dang it minimizes the opportunity for tea or the likelihood of fatigue so our schedulers have figured that out a little bit. You might do fourteen hours on ten hours off then. The next day is going to be short with a longer overnight to let you rest. And they've done a pretty good job of not giving you drastic swings and your showtime like one day. It'll be at noon and the next day it's four in the morning they try to keep it within a certain For how much they move back and forth being sensitive to your circadian rhythms. And your since you never know what you're going to do on the last leg when you show up that morning. Have there ever been times when you've gone to the city where you're gonna lay over and there's no hotel rooms where where they just. You had to sleep in the hilton. Now i've never. I haven't came close one time when we landed in the airport was the fbi was close. The airport tower was closed and we were bear with no way you know. We couldn't get to the hotel and the company said if you can find a way off of the airport without climbing offense. You can stay. We didn't have enough. You'll be able to go anywhere else. We kind of had to stay and it was a nice night. I said i'm good with just sleeping out here and staying on duty and reclining the seat in the airplane but we got hold of a security guy who came and got us out and took us to the hotel. There have been times. We've gotten somewhere and they said okay. We'll we're going to get you a hotel. Just stay there for the night and they come back and they said now there are no air. There's no hotels on nantucket island. You're going to have to leave. She had to go back out on but near playing. Get it all fired up again and then by off to someplace else but so far. I've not had to spend the night near okay so you owned. Do you own an airplane at your ranch now. We don't My husband he had on a moonie. Before i met him and yacht. Here i would. I would walk into the house. And he'd be on the computer with pictures of all these malls on trade a plane up on the on the screen so we were looking at it and we kind figured out where the pasture we could put a a A little runway in everything but then anytime it came got closer to it is like we really need a new tractor We really need to get get dispensary bill in type thing so we sort of talked ourselves out of that Quite a bit. He's he's had some surgeries and such and he's your mentioned. He's he's quite a bit older than i am. So he's he's going. I still wanna fly. Still feel like i'm twenty two but his hip and his shoulder don't really cooperate with him quite so much with doing that. So it's You he keeps his flight physical current but just finding time to go over and fly. Getting checked out near planning going to fly is kind of hard to find a spare time right now to do that and you have a really busy schedule when you're not flying for your fraction will you're running ranch raina ranch and then i also am very involved with military aviators Been a member since the early eighties. And i'm on the board of directors right now as well and i run our facebook pages and try to keep track of the social media stuff but working to and i know other guests on your podcast had talked about women in aviation in the organization. We were closely with them. We award scholarships through women aviation's annual conference. We always have a booth there as well and then just working to mentor. The next generations of women military aviators coming at similar to what the waas did with us. And we it's not on us that we were first hanging out with the lost. Their the ages. We are now so You know we were carrying on their legacy in trying to mentor the young ladies coming into the military. Now that's terrific. So now peggy as we wrap up. What advice do you have for someone who's just starting out in aviation today. I've got to tooth big things. And i know it's been mentioned by others on your podcasts. I've heard but One is to network join organizations. Get to know people. Listen to the older folks who are out there. The old the old grey haired wrinkled folks who are out there because they're trying to mentor you. They've they've got so many lessons. And so many stories that they can offer to you to help build your repertoire. Knowledge and experience and remember being into dalians down in san antonio and i i was always just in although people there all the older men who were there at the dalians and i was always hesitant really going to talk to them at all and then i picked up this book. By general don shepperd Various upside down against on a previous podcast. Yes and as i'm reading through that got wait. I know that guy. I know him he was into. He was here in all these people who i've met through my life and i was too afraid to talk to them because i was just this little low-life major or captain and i was i was just. I was insignificant. So when i think of all the opportunities i had to talk to people of experience and pick their brains and listen to their stories Do that that is you. Go find the old grizzled guide the airport and sit down. Have coffee with them and let them to sit there and tell all the bizarre stories you can listen to but listen to those people and seek their mentorship. The other thing is. Do you have a backup plan. I know liz booker mentioned this on hers. Because you're seeking aviation as your career. It doesn't take much for either the airlines to take a downturn because the first thing that goes on the economy goes with the airlines. They start scaling back. So you're always susceptible to furlough so you need to have. Now what do i do type thing. Some sixteen year old is texting and runs through the stop sign and crashes into your car and there goes your medical qualification. Now what do you do. You need to have a backup plan. So there's so many young folks. I see now that i wanna be a pilot by. Don't want to go to college. I don't wanna get the college degree. I just wanna go fly apart. You need to have a backup to that and along with. It is when you're competing for a job with somebody who has the degree and you don't. They're probably going to get the job if all things being equal. They're going to go with a person who's got the degree because it shows that they committed to a program they. They saw task through to completion. So there's something more to be said in your resume their shine you guys degree so those are my two pieces of advice for excellent advice. So sir know what's on your bucket list another book. I read when i was at the pentagon and desperately missing. Fine was the cannibal queen by stephen coots or he restored things stinson by plane and he was paid by his his publisher to go fly at around the united states. I'll the lower forty-eight and write about the experience of landing in all forty eight states. i would love to do that. I love is a fabulous book. I was reading. I got so engrossed. In i missed the stop on the metro. The pentagon wanda boettger across the river and had to take the metro back. It's that good of a book. But i would love to go get a little will sess not a little little cub. Whatever and just go hop around via far stop at delis little. Fbi does and just see aviation at. Its finest knows where you tax you up to the pumps at somebody's house. They invite you to come inside their house for dinner. I would love to do that. Route is really needed. And when i was in new. Harry united flew with the guy who had a j three cub and he had he would take trips with his kids and they would map out the route so that they would land in every state in the in the terminus united states and they would plan out the route so that they would not criss cross the states but just go from one state to another and he'd leave the airplane there and come home on on a space available flight and then come back a couple of days later when he had a day off and pick the airplane up again. That sounds like a really neat trip. Peggy it has been so great having you with us today. I wanna thank you so much for taking the time. You've got a very busy schedule. And i really appreciate you clearing out your schedule for me but most important peggy. Thank you for your service. Thank you for your services. Well george and thank you for doing this podcast. It's it's incredibly educational for burmese to listen to all the different episodes. You're welcome thank you. 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The WNBA Has Pulled a Controversial Jersey Days After Unveiling It. Heres Why Many Found the Design Problematic

TIME's Top Stories

08:18 min | 5 months ago

The WNBA Has Pulled a Controversial Jersey Days After Unveiling It. Heres Why Many Found the Design Problematic

"Brought to you by the so-fi daily podcast. Did you know thirty. Seven percent of americans would struggle to cover unexpected four hundred dollar expense. April is national financial literacy month. Which means it's time to expand your financial knowledge and that all starts with having the right information for facts analysis and updates related to markets and financial awareness. Listen to the so-fi daily podcast every weekday search for s-o-f-i. Wherever you get your podcasts. The wnba has pulled controversial jersey days after unveiling it. Here's why many found the design problematic by meghan mcklusky in the wake of the wnba unveiling new team uniforms for its upcoming twenty twenty one season one version of the dallas wings. Jerseys has come under fire for the history behind. Its design on april eighth. The wnba in partnership with nike released three different uniform. Additions for each of the league's twelve teams the heroine addition explorer edition and rebel addition touted by nike is representing inspiring themes of female empowerment. The rebel addition collection was apparently intended to applaud the irreverent voices who define each team's home city and state however for some fans excitement over the launch was dampened by the revelation that the wings rebel edition. Uniforms were created in celebration of a historical organization that excluded black women inspired by the p forty warhawks plane. The jersey design features. The war hawks signature star said over a military grade greenfield. It is the one thousand seventy four women who served in the women airforce service pilots wasp corps during world war two. The wasp's became the first woman to fly for the us. Military after training at avenger field in sweetwater texas and were tasked with performing crucial domestic flying duties. Like ferrying military planes and serving on to- targets quadrants. But the opportunity to join the wasp core was largely limited to white women while a handful of women of color served in the unit. Not a single black applicant was to the program. The outright rejection of black women set wa- sp- apart from other us military services during this time says matthew f delmonte a history professor at dartmouth college. Who specializes in african american history and the history of civil rights what stands out about. The wasp's is that they excluded black women entirely. He tells time while the rest of the military and auxiliary services were segregated. They at least allowed. African americans to participate although the creation of wasp was a landmark moment for women in the military mont says that focusing solely on that narrative furthers the whitewashing of american history. What often isn't about is the fact that even if white women were getting different to new opportunities that almost always ran parallel with the maintenance or extension of racial discrimination and racial barriers. He says to only talk about white women's side of the wasp story and not also talk about the fact that black women were denied that opportunity even ones who were qualified and had commercial pilot's licenses misses the broader context. We can't tell one story without telling the other. In april sixteen statement to time nike the wnba and the wings said they had made the joint decision to pull the wings rebel uniform. The recently unveiled dallas wings nike rebel edition. Uniform was designed to celebrate a group of texas based women pilots during world war two however nike the wnba and the dallas wings recently learned the history of the program does not align with our shared values of diversity equity and inclusion as a result the dallas wings will not wear this uniform on court nike and its partners are removing it from retail and nike and the wings will work together on a new nike rebel edition uniform designed for the future and quote some who criticized the wings jersey including former wnba. All star kelsey bone had pointed out that by adopting the design as part of their uniform. The wings were calling on black players to wear a jersey that celebrates an organization that intentionally excluded black women with all their resources the wings the wnba and nike somehow collectively botched. This says jasmine baker. A women's sports cultural est who helped make people aware of the controversial design on social media. One reason why. I wanted to bring this to people's attention was that for fans who were considering purchasing the jersey. This decision was obviously going to be questionable at best. I think a lot of people don't know the thorough history behind this the wnba as forthcoming twenty fifth season set to tip off on may fourteenth arrives amid an ongoing reckoning on systemic racism in america as communities continue to protest against police shootings less than a year ago. The league's delayed twenty twenty season opened with players from the seattle storm and new york liberty. Walking off the court before the national anthem played as protests for racial justice took place across the country the players jointly then dedicated twenty six seconds of silence and the entire season. Two brianna taylor in july twenty twenty statement wnba. commissioner cathy. Engelbert announced that the league's twenty twenty season would be dedicated to social justice. We are incredibly proud of wnba players. Who continue to lead with their inspiring voices and effective actions in the league's dedicated fight against systemic racism and violence. She said working together with the w. n. b. p. a. and the teams the league games to highlight players social justice efforts throughout the twenty twenty season and beyond however some fans feel that the controversy surrounding the wings jersey highlights how the wnba hasn't followed through on these commitments. This is par for the course for the wnba at the end of the day. There's a fundamental issue. Baker says about the wings jersey design as a black woman who has followed this league. I've seen time and time again. How it has failed. Black women far too often when companies and teams mess up in this manner. They'll come out with a statement and then it will be business as usual. They can highlight everything from last season. But for black women to not even be considered when it came to these jerseys. There should be accountability for that. This incident underscores how surface level diversity efforts failed to address the problems at the heart of this issue says former wings marketing officer nicole smith who left the organization in two twenty seventeen. It's unfortunate and disappointing considering the robust black female fan base and the proportion of black female players however it also highlights the global need for competency humility and responsiveness around her and intersection. -ality she tells time a solution will require an intentional culture shift where black women are seen heard considered and most importantly valued.

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Time to learn Code #1544

Geek News Central

50:48 min | 2 months ago

Time to learn Code #1544

"This is getting new central. My name is todd cochran coming from the new media production studio stories tonight. Google says vaccinated or get out spotify says they have no editorial responsibility over podcast. Sixteen free websites to learn code and twitter twitter and others reverse plans on office openings. I wanna welcome to episode one thousand five hundred. Forty four of the central podcasts for thursday. July twenty nine this show sponsored in part by go daddy dot com and listeners. Just like you great deals from go. Daddy can be found getting a central dot com board slash. Go daddy you can support the show today. Beating central dot com forward slash insider. Hey want to give warm. Welcome to all the new listeners. Make sure you get overeating center dot com check out all the great content on the website website. When you're over there definitely subscribe to the podcast that get you started. Be part of the family here and of course he can subscribe to the newsletter. 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Big money helped the show greatly appreciated. When you do art. Everybody how you doing. How you doing this This kind of a weird week for me Absolute insomnia last night. I had when they finally did fell asleep with the the alarm clock ringing almost immediately thereafter. But what it really was. Thunderstorm came blast and true. So that will me up but yeah it's it's just a it's just a thing once in a while this happens know brain doesn't want to shutdown s- preparing for nashville getting ready to go to podcast. Movement is part of it. But i do want to make a clarification on something. I said on the show because a few of you have been river ribbing. Mi michael dare. Jack has been a ribbon me a little bit. Sent me a text today. I mistakenly said that. I was using lipstick. Pink lipstick on what i thought were bites and no i was using pink nail polish. So wasn't lipstick to seal the the bites. It was nail polish in. Yes it was pink now. I has since gotten clear. But i have since since given up on doing the painting thing it just it. It wasn't ed so again. We're back at the drawing board. I have a little bit of a theory on some things that are going on but Still battling this this This itching issue. But i will tell you one thing. I've learned what Near scalding showers can do to relieve get major relief for five or six hours. It's amazing how you can overload the the nervous system of the body and then go on to have a decent day and then about this time of the day things started to act up again but anyway aweso. I don't know how did it. So i was not because i have headed my head down. Getting ready for nashville. I haven't been watching chat. I haven't been watching text a matter of fact of hemp roms of mobile at home because we've switched t. Mobile and finally. I can check my phone and check to chechen say. Hey dude the. The last episode was wrong. They got the got the previous show. So i fixed it it. It should have over the last twenty hours replicated out and everyone should have got the last show. The last show was fantastic. I hope you go back and listen to it. But i blew it in somehow. An in in all honesty have no idea how he did it. Because i checked the The server were this gets uploaded to and the episodes were not there. I had to come in the office and and grab him out of the desktop and upload them so something happened so there is monday. Show is up It should replicate through and you should be able to pick it up now. It should play correctly. So i i've done this a couple of times over the years. I don't know really what happened the other night. We kind of honest with you so anyway. Anyways that's what's going on. Ucf blizzard watch. And i got some different backgrounds of tonight Thought i would switched up advertised. The other shows them involved in but Anyway this is Lots to do to prepare to roll out. And i think tonight i'll sleep like a baby because i surely did not Last night but okay going to get into the stack. And i'm just. I'm sure i'm sure at some point here. Some of you are going to come after me again. But i'm concerned and here's what i'm concerned about and it starts out with an arctic from about google. Google reads room tells workers to get their kobe. Nineteen shots now. In a red that i thought. What are they doing he doing something with tech and but no sundar piquet google's and alphabet. Ceo has had enough yesterday. He told his workforce in the world that anyone coming to work our campuses will need to be vaccinated period so they're taking marching orders surmountable sam per government asking companies to put the hammer now in. This is the comment really. Wow ni sure. Most google employees are brighten up to have already gotten a kobe nineteen shot. Google doesn't hire dummies. Really that's what he said. Now i'm going to share with you. Something i know. I know people who are working. In high level jobs at high level companies that have mandated that they have to have a vaccine to come to work who have got vaccine cards. I've been told this by those very individuals and they come to work a showed their cart. You yet been vaccinated. Put him down his vaccinated. No if there's some sort of validation system that's going on out there but when you have a campaign to ostracize those it have not gotten the vaccine and made a personal decision not to get a vaccine So i have some friends in new york or telling me that's going on same thing that they're dot com he said. Don't come to work if you don't have a. You can't come to work if you don't have a vaccine at puts people between a rock and a hard place that don't wanna get the vaccine. I know personally no at least ten teachers that said. There's no way they're getting vaccine. I know health officials nurses and doctors. This said no way. I'm not getting the vaccine. These are not uneducated. As everyone wants to imply. His when the ceo of st of google and alphabet say that google poyser brighton after our regarding a covert nineteenth shop. Google doesn't hire dummies. Is that interesting now. You know that the vaccinated or not immune from getting delta and you know that the the vaccinated are not immune from being hospitalized. So it's an interesting dialogue that's happening now and it's just really interesting. I as a company owner. There's no way i would tell my employees. You have to get the vaccine. There's no way i would do that to me. That's a personal decision. That's a hip indecision. It you know. That's a hippo thing so When did you guys think are eight. There's i know there's a number of you that listen to show that haven't gotten shot. So what are you doing gone online. Getting a fake vaccine card. Are you being pressured into getting the vaccine have you. Are you telling people that you haven't got the vaccine. That's interesting isn't it. That interesting times. We live in. When i was in military i had no choice. I was told what i was going to get. And i got everything. I think. I've told you guys this many times. I even got anthrax. Five shot series of anthrax. I'm still here. I don't know if there's anything wrong with me. But thousands and tens of thousands of military guys got anthrax. Shots post Actually it was the first attack on the trade towers which started you prompt that so anyway. I just think it's a we'll see what happens here. And the the ostracizing of those in this. I don't think this is political anymore. I don't think this is a republican democrat thing. I think people cross the board have chosen on all political spectrums all geo all you know how much money make your edge. I think on cross spectrum for writing reason decide one reason one for one reason or another to get or not get. I'm not here to judge but it's it's interesting to hear how all of a sudden when the government tells companies you have to start telling your employees to get back state mandating this because we can't do it but you can. And these companies are picking up the charge doing that. It's a little disturbing to me. Just maybe i need to start becoming. Maybe i should be a libertarian. I don't know i don't. I often look the definition of libertarian. Up so Hand second. I'm getting a okay. Sorry i'm getting to respond to here so anyway Moving on spotify. Co doesn't believe the platform has to editor had doesn't have editor responsibility over podcast. And it's interesting that he says this because it's well known that spotify kicks shows out all the time for variety of reasons. Maybe it's after. They've been reported or something to that effect but He says it He he doesn't think the company has responsibility Out see here. He says In this i'm trying to you know as a reader's digest version of this. He's joe rogan podcast. To become the most listened to shows on spotify sense of platform attitudes lineup last year. Also become the most controversial due to rogan's choice of guests in his own views. Spotify doesn't have any plans or anything about it though because the company. Ceo doesn't bleed. The platform should have any say on podcasters content when access spotify. Ceo an interview whether companies should have a tour response over. Podcast like rogan's his response. Was that rogan's just one of its many content graders he he may be just one of them. He's also one of the most. Well paid aac responded however rappers earn tens of millions of dollars from the platform spotify doesn't dictate what they can put in their songs either which is true. And of course we know. Rogan signed a hundred million dollar deal with ati streaming service and may twenty twenty so we know that spotify employees express concerns of jesus driving me crazy. Let me turn this off So but spotify does do removals of shows for a variety of reasons so that they must respond when someone complains versus being doing editorial stuff over. The show's moving on sixteen free websites for learning to code and twenty twenty one. The best online coding websites for beginners are hubs of education insight designed to take your knowledge in career to the next level. So coding skills are in high demand. Cody knowledge is becoming more versatile. People coating talent can earn more. And there's a bunch of bunch of sites out there bit Bit degree is one code academy. We've talked about that if our code. Wars co dot org free code camp code conquest w. three schools code vendors. Here's what i would suggest if you're a parent and you've got a high schooler that maybe once again having to go to home school from home cut him loose on one of these websites are even better yet. If you're still working at home and get to stay home you had extra hours. Maybe it's time to learn how to code. Maybe it's time to give it a try. I think it's worthy of someone's extra time to consider this. Even it's nothing more than learning about css html php sql javascript. J. query if you just get the basics of ceus s. h. tim allen. Php down your valuable tie that into amazon web services knowledge and how to run servers and that type b is an it person type of position so this is a great great resource for you to get ahead and and you know maybe maybe you wanted to do code or maybe just wanted to play around. These are free resources. And there's is a bunch of 'em here going through this stuff sites i've never seen before Again sixteen different sites and remember. Mit has open. Course ware as well. So if you have some math skills minor math skills if if you think logically then you're probably a pretty good candidate to try to write some code. If nothing else play around so having lincoln the show notes of course. Twitter is closing at san francisco new york offices in climbing kobe. Nineteen cases. the social network is pausing. Its plans after careful consideration. Cdc's updated guidelines light of current conditions. Sweaters made decision closer. Our our opened offices in new york and san francisco as well as positive pause future office openings effective immediately so apple baseba twitter net flicks uber also updating their job in nineteen protocols so again these big companies are when letting parents and worker stay home and if school's gonna close if they're not gonna because the head of the labor union that the the teachers labor union have said they don't know they're going allow teachers to go back to work in the fall and i'm sure some of you have kids at home are like oh my god you got to be kidding me again but i think this time dead remote learning be really looked at you know if remote learning is going to be the way to go then really what we need to do is we need to get some superstar teachers and do mass. Mass education have people to check work and all that but have superstar teachers. That are the top in their field. Why teach thirty kids when he can teach three thousand. You know so. I don't think that would work. Or how about three thousand. Thirty thousand are three million. What if he had one superstar teacher. That was teaching. Math was teaching algebra one and they had three million people tune in for those lessons. How about thirty million. And where's the limit. Why not right. The ford mustang mach e is honored amazing women airforce service pilots. The brave women of the waas made huge contribution to allied effort. World war two and board is decked out a mustang mach es specifically for them and the magi is alleged chretien the blue oval a special edition of the electric. Suv honors women's the women airforce service pilots so I don't know if they're selling. This is just one offers. This is an actual color scheme. You can buy it. It's pretty nice. It really is So lincoln up shown even mcniven tricked it out inside. Look sweet my goodness. You know if i was in if i was in the Market or a sports car. I think i would. I would go after a mock e I think i would the mustang version of electric vehicles. Pretty pretty impressive that I'm not buying a car anytime soon. I i've got one to drive the wheels into the ground on when i'm doing pretty good job on it all right. Is that time again every new movie. Show a net flicks for august. Yes it's almost august. We've got seven seasons of thirty rock coming your way in august on a net flicks beethoven's up good luck. Chuck the losers machinists. My girl my girl to these are just some of this stuff. This launching august. I and there's just stuff all the way through the month being pumped out so here looking for some new movies to watch on that blake coming here in a few days. Simpson's reporting if thirty four percent and jumping quarter to prophets bets on foldable to boost smartphone profits despite descript disc- decreased demand samsung's mobile profitability remained solid in quarter two and. They had bring property trees fifty four percent. Year-over-year thanks to solid ship cells as well so Good on samsung sales. Asia remain weak because those countries are largely locked down. A thailand's lockdown vietnam. Like don bit Philippines is locked down all these asian continent. These countries are not getting vaccines into the country at all or very spew numbers and they are just basically in the same state they were last year or sometimes even worse so anyway link. ob up the show. Not that facebook says is trying to strike a balance as it battles misinformation. This is interesting. They say they don't want to become the absolute truth. Police facebook's vice president global bears. Nick clegg says the social network is trying to balance concerns about free expression even at basis more political pressure to combat misinformation about the corona virus and the pre-recorded interview aired thursday. Clegg outline the steps face. Oh 'cause they could address the problem including working with back. Chapter people authoritive sources in blocking some content. The also said that he doesn't think anyone would want to silicon valley company to be the absolute truth. Police absolutely clegg the case warmer clegg the. Uk's former deputy prime minister was participating monthly virtual series called re imagining american democracy from freedom house. The bush institute issue one in the national center civil rights civil human rights says we cannot eliminate people's right and the free society express reservations about how the pandemic has been conducted or at least by the way because scientific consensus change. He said basic used remove claims. That the colonel virus was human-made but stopped doing that so after the intelligent camis started delving deeper into the origins. Facebook is face more backlash because it struggled to stop krona verse misinformation from spreading. Us president joe biden has been pressing the company to do more to combat the problem in critic safe base books effort to address the she-she's still falling short facebook said it will remove corre virus vaccine information when public health for concludes likely contribute to harm includes claims cova nineteen vaccines contain toxic. Ingredients or untested. Doesn't say anything about being approved while clay nauseous. Facebook can do more also point out the downsides of pulling down too much content and of course there's lawmakers are looking to change section to thirty to basically go after facebook and companies like that for not removing wet the government considers to be misinformation. So again there's this balance ladies and gentlemen we. The people have the right to criticize government and we have the right to criticize companies policies upon what they do. It's our right to question it asks and pro and wonder and speculate. It's a right to do that and we should. We should not be a. We shouldn't be sheep in. Just do everything. The government says we should do without questioning it after all. Everyone is in everyone. That's a politician puts her pants on the same way you and i do. They step up to the throne the same way we do. They sit up. Sit down at a table and eat the way they do. They're not special. they're not entities are not gods. They are just people just like you. And i and we are allowed to question. This is not a dictatorship. There's is no king in this country. There's no absolute rule and thank god. There is podcast nerves people. They can speak as they please. And you can have your own website in. He can state things as you wish potentially with consequences but at least we have the ability to do that. Freedom of speech freedom of expression is a big thing. We have to remember that very top. I obviously i wouldn't wanna be in peace books position right now as liz says in a chat fact check back check back check. Do your own research okay. More than one hundred twenty thousand ford f. One fifty lightning reservations around the books about three quarters of those reservations or customers. New to the ford brand Help that includes a lot of chevy drivers really. Do you guys there on chevy vehicles. You need to take a look at this ford f. One fifty and you toyota drivers you need to look this ford f. One fifty lightning you like these electric vehicles. You need to get on. The reservation. Lists now louis vuitton. Oh my gosh i did. We cover this already louis. Vitton is making a mobile game with an embedded. Imbedded nf tease. Why is louis vitton making a game. Fashion gain louis vuitton and jumping on the bad wing Mobile video game. To celebrate its founders. Two hundred birthday louis. The game stars fashion house mascot. The vinnie a wooden dhow embellished with the company's flower insignia. On a journey through the brand's history ports and austrian newspaper. This is a brand has more money that you all have spent on their bags in every we we get so wrapped around branston. Don't we there is a great great post in. This is actually a first time. We've linked to a youtube video a long time and This comes from who's our ab seven abc seven in the news bay area. Listen to this this. Into this you. Albert einstein pans stanford astronomers discover light from the to this stanford astronomers discover light from back of black hole up from the back of a black hole for the first time. We know that light goes in and doesn't come out right well. Not necessarily now. So einstein has been proven right again and they saw a reflection right place right time right. Telescopes looking at the right black hole. Right spar aerospace and they saw a reflection and Sa- two minute watch. I'm sure there's gonna be more stuff out about this but obviously got in the show notes so here. We are science being made right before our ears. A google is going to ban sugar. Daddy apps from the play store From september one. The app sir prohibit facilitating sugar. Daddy services often evolving older men offering cashing gifts in exchange for a relationship with a younger woman. Critics say they differ little from prostitution though they exchanged does not always involve sex. Okay whatever But anyway all the sugar daddy. Apps are going away off. The google play store so they'll have to revert to their online places where they were before. I guess so Is that really a thing. People too much money on their hands. Motorola debuts edge twenty five ship. Globally with bast refresh screens and one hundred eight megapixel camera so these motorola bones are out and Morose keeping its returned to fight sheep devices running. It's continuing to spool them out So anyway they're priced About the seven hundred to eight hundred thirty dollar range so lincoln be up the show. Of course yes. These are android devices so this is interesting move. Scarlett johnson is suing disney over black widow streaming. Release the lawsuit alleges she was promised exclusive theatrical debut. And you know what this is about right. It's about cash. Because actors and actresses are paid in these lead roles paid percentages of gross box office revenue. They get they get points on how much the movie makes. The suit filed thursday los angeles superior court legends is johnson's contract with marvel entertainment which is owned by disney and shirt wide theatrical. Release the film. The suit says it was well understood that the agreement meant and exclusive release. It would not include streaming johnson. Salary was in part based on the box office. Performance of the film means stream we offer. Could meaningfully cut into her paycheck disney new the cannibalization by disney plus would save marvel and by extension dizzy very large amounts of money that would otherwise onus johnson lawsuit alleges on information and bleep disney intentionally induced marvel's breach of the agreement without justification order prevent. Miss johnson's realizing the full benefit of the bargain with morrow she could lose fifty million dollars because the altar series plans i would sue to. She is well within her right to do that. So we'll see where this goes. I think a lot of actors are going to be rethinking. Their contracts going forward because if they're going to release them digitally and not in theaters because of kobe because of the likelihood of going back into lockdown again. Then you know they should get rightfully compensated. If they were new. They're gonna make so much money on a box office release. There was an expectation put forth on previous releases and previous movies. Then boom they do it digitally and they clean up digitally but they don't in the box office then that specific revenue loss to her. So good luck with her anytime. Stick it to the studios. I think it's good. Anything to talent gets. Paid is good wind eleven now. Has its first beta. Release you previously only been able to install the rougher deb build but it is now available so This is awesome. Microsoft has released perspective windows love available those roll the windows insider program until today getting access when sawing indepth view mike says is highly it is highly technical user has rough edges grinning like soft the beta releases less volatile with builds billing validated by microsoft through is probably something want to a solid test machine or a second partition so Gator known peacock has reached fifty. Four million sign up said to be an international on skype platform so That's a pretty big number. Since april twenty twenty jerry and more than twenty million monthly active users for the quarter. I am not signed up for this service so Are you guys finding day thing on peacock. Worthwhile of watching. Let me know if you are. There's something valid over there worth getting a monthly subscription. I'd be willing to take a look at it. Linked in is allowing employees worked. Full remote removes in office expectation as well so The new policy shift initial indication. Last october that microsoft's professional social network site would expect. Employees were fifty percent of the time in the office but This is a little bit about delta. So people getting reprieve of having to go back to the office of coming android. Privacy changes include ability to blink advertising ideinst and safety section play store so the advertising idea in identify your unique to android device which is supplied by google play services. Since every apple device can retrieve the same idea can be used for profiling. User users can set an option to limit ad tracking in the that supplies advertising. I the also indicates whenever the user has opted out but respecting this option is on a trust basis. Privacy advocate max. Carmen's father illegal playing against google last year arguing advertising ideas of personal ideas personal data. Which i believe. So as well and the option reset it which automat- creates a replaced. My idea was like cancelling a contract only under the condition that you sign up for new one. Why supply the advertising idea at all. If the user wishes delimit ad tracking gula septa this idea and director product management Vid oh my gosh. evita vera. Posted that when users opt out of interest based advertising as precipitation advertising t. i d will removed and replaced with a string of zeros. who ray so Be up show sir details on that robin hood. Ceo plans for the future sounds a lot like a bank. Says he wants to trading platform to become the single money at people need He didn't use the bank but his description sounds like it. He says overtime you want to be the single money out. The most trusted most culturally relevant money app worldwide. So every thing that you use for your money for should be able to do to robin. By the way did anybody get to buy any robinhood. Shares as they promised during their During their debut at their promising the robinhood users would be able to buy some shares. I i don't think that happened or by. Did i missed the email i have one. Share some stock. That robin hood bought for me. When i tried to app one time or amazon is announced second quarter results aberdeen cash flow of of increased increased sixteen percent fifty nine point three billion for the trailing twelve months free cash flow decreased to twelve point one billion for the trailing twelve months free cash flow less principal repayments of finance leases and financial obligations piece. Point six billion so Let me look here. Net sales decreased twenty seven percent to one hundred thirteen point. One billion second quarter compared to eighty eight point nine second quarter twenty twenty increased twenty seven percent. Excuse me and excluding in two point. Five billion barrel impact from year-over-year changes in exchange rates throughout the quarter net sales increased twenty four percent compared with a second quarter twenty twenty operating income increase some point seven billion net income increase the seven point eight billion the second quarter of fifteen point. One two cents per diluted share compared to five point two billion or ten point three zero diluted in the second quarter so they've they've cleaned up money money money manet money monday. They've done very well. Amazon's done very well during the pandemic as we all know national oceanographic administrative administration. Has it discovered a real life. Spongebob and patrick star deepen the atlantic so they found a real spongebob at the bottom of a wreath at eighteen hundred. Eighty five meters So anyway they got a spongebob. Oh this next article okay. This is a fifteen minute and fifty seven second video but for those of you. That ever stacked a lego in your life not illegal. A'domino excuse me any you've ever stacked domino in your life will want to watch this. A robot arranges a hundred thousand dominoes into a super. Mario brothers merle in one day. The robot is fed domino's by another robot it's a world record domino robot late one hundred thousand dominoes and twenty four hours. The robot named the dominator achieved this by putting down three hundred dominoes at time. Which of course loaded into by another robert robot. Robber says the video that the current version of the dominator is the cultivation of years of work from him and his team and he goes into how the device actually works as well as showing some of the failed designs. It led to the final product and What people will do for millions of views on youtube in they. They've they've They've knocked it out of the ballpark with discipline. So domino laying will never be the same again. So i'll have to check this out. It's going to make for a lotta great videos. I am sure but one hundred thousand. Dominoes overtook seven people. A week to put together if they did not any over. This thing did a flawlessly in twenty four hours. Banging olsen has launched his first pair of noise. Canceling true wireless ear buds of course They're not a cheap brand. They're going to be on sale for three hundred ninety nine dollars as a pound. No your three hundred ninety nine. Us dollars so shouldn't come as a surprise there that They are very high in brand so Check that out. Tesla's updated tesla update ed's disney plus streaming and in a car wash mode so tests adding of the popular streaming service to his co. in-car implement teammate. System is part of its latest opera. Update you can watch z. Bus when you have some downtime during charging tesla's theater mode offers already offers net blake's disney owned hulu youtube and twitch all its mris. Hbo max peacock paramount plus before it can call a true video. Hub tesla owner shared screen shots of the update of the highlights. Car wash mode that secures the vehicle for scrub down. Once activated can closer disable everything from the windows to wipers to century mode in the parking center chimes for car washes with conveyor bets mode can switch to free roll option to neutral prevent the car from otter breaking it. You leave so He test older owners have gotten update. Beware of that. Apple will now begin to use facial recognition valley. Id car stored in the wallet app. So they announce it ww dc and But anyway they're using form of facial recognition as the way to validate an idea. That goes into your wallet so We'll see where this goes when the department of justice seizes bitcoin. Where did they put it. Do they put it on a hard drive. They put it on a memory. stick port. where does it go well. The dj is signed crypto custodian anchorage and a six point. Six million deal anchorage cells institutional custody solutions for nearly sixty digital assets including everything from bitcoin z. Cash so they will be depositing this sees cryptocurrency with anchorage the company anchorage to be able to securely store that keep it backed up ads That's a pretty big Big contract for millions of dollars a bitcoin. Do you have an old amazon kindle when the black and white types well. The old amazon kindle devices will soon lose three access devices with no wifi won't be able to connect to the internet at all so again. If you have an older amazon kindle with three g internet you may not be able to wirelessly access download new content anymore so b be just barely worn in it. It covers I the second generation kindles as well as kindle the x. won't be able to connect to the internet at all other devices list or the kindle keyboard third generation kindle touch fourth kindle paperweight this six and seven kim void seventh kindle. Waste eight which always have wifi which. You'll still be able to do that. But amazon. Excluding a code for customers to get fifty dollars off a new kindle. Paper white oro acis along with fifteen dollars. An e book credits. Ziemba is still used kindle devices to read. I just use my ipad. Okay that brings me to the end. Dental care getting through the stack. It was was pretty big Molo rant at the beginning or where do you guys stand are your employer is your employer making you have a co vaccine and having to prove it to come back to work or is it. You say yes. I've had it. You don't have to show proof of vaccine. Where's your company at in this stack. What is your company doing if your company owner what are you doing. Are you saying you have to have a vaccine before he come back to work how it is pretty different right. There's never been anything like this. Before that. I know of has ever been a time where a shot was mandated. Has this ever happened before again. It's your choice. it's your body. You decide what you're gonna do and the consequences thereof of doing the shot or not. I have a hypothesis about something. I may share the later date but not now. So let's say you geek. News dot com geek news. Gmail.com love to hear your commentary on On what you think okay. So here's the deal. I will be out next week so you'll have the show. I did monday and this show beast on because the monday show was actually the previous show for a few days his. I had my head down. Doing other stuff wasn't paying attention. Bad host someone. Call me next time right. Bring my phone at the text message. I finally got to my bones. Woke me up. It's something was amiss. So tawfiq's we won't do that again for a while and i hope you enjoyed the show. Hope it didn't get too political for you. But i just find interesting that. Ceo's company would imply their employees or dumb. That just that just kinda really wows me a lot and what a way. What a way to build morale and just think about the some of the employees. He'll be like you get at thank seeing. Are you stupid. Can you make it. You know it just astor sized. And i know this doesn't fall on political lines. I know a dozen. Because i know some beatles political leanings. I know you've gotten fake cohen cards. I know okay. You're thinking go to to go. do some gogo searches. how are they gonna validate them That is question okay. Everyone's stay safe out there. be good. take care. We'll see a week a week from monday. I'll be back here in the studio week for money. Meanwhile down in nashville shaking hands and hanging out with fellow podcasters. And maybe wearing a mask who they have to be wearing masks down there. Who knows what the policy is going to be. But i'm going with matt's distinct case the policy changes while i'm there so everyone take care and I appreciate your going support the chill. Thanks for being here. Thanks for being part of the family. Thank you for your ongoing. Or the sponsors. Thank you for those of you. That are insiders. I own you. I know i. Oh you don't worry it's coming. 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Carey Lohrenz: Focusing Your Span Control

Leadership and Loyalty

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Carey Lohrenz: Focusing Your Span Control

"Hey everybody i'm care laurent's author of both fearless leadership and span of control and today we're going to be talking about what it is. You should be focusing on. Are you going to get through uncertainty and these tough times. Probably not the way. You think you're gonna do it right now. Stay tuned. that's coming up. Congratulations you're tuned into dov barons leadership and loyalty show the number one podcast for fortune five hundred executives and those who were dedicated to creating a quantum leap in leadership. Your host dove baron. He's an executive mentor to leaders. Like you a contributing writer for entrepreneur magazine ceo world. And he's been featured on cnn fox cbs and many other notable sites dov. Baron is an international business speaker who is named by inc magazine as one of the top one hundred leadership speakers to hire now over to dov baron welcome dear friends fans and fellow aficionados of leadership. 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You can also listen to us on google home and rolexes. I simply saying play dove barron. Podcast i wanna thank you for showing the show with everybody. You know all right. Let's strip it down and die right. 'em is it possible that when you are a highly trained individual that you can overestimate your span of control. It's a question. I found myself pondering a lot lately. If those of us who highly trained those of us who believe ourselves to have a pool in a pile could end up on the wrong side of history. His what i mean. Think about a military general now. That person must at least publicly. Remain very pie bipartisan. Imagine that person then jumping into assist partisan leader to bring things on nicole control. Does that general does his or her desire to steer the ship back on course ended up for more damage will stay tuned. Because that's exactly where we're going. Our guest on this episode is the fabulous carry lor lawrence. Now she has one of the first female f fourteen tomcat fighter pilots in the us navy. Carry lauren's no knows well. The inconsistent execution of a fast moving dynamic environments can generate catastrophic results. Who work has been translated. And she's translated in leadership strategy into experience that she got in the navy to top business leaders to supercharge depth peformance in today's competitive business environments adopting strategies under pressure to reduce errors and overcome obstacles. Along the way carry has appeared on cnn msnbc. Cbs abc nbc and npr. Doug us a lot about her. Name's as well as inc time huffington post and so many more. She is delivered leadership and strategy strategic experiences to thousands of forbes global two thousand fortune five hundred's and many other companies worldwide. Carry lawrence is now ceo. She's a board member business owner and she's a mom of four. She inspires individuals and organizations to lead through uncertainty overcoming pressure and adversity to remain relevant and focus on the competitive marketplace. Ladies and gentlemen. Please put your hands together. Sweetie join those other. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much for having me. I'm glad to be joining you. It took us a while to get here. I know you're a busy man and your visibility. And not so great. And i just a quick back story people that carrie ann. I think it was ten years ago. Yeah just about about ten years ago. Larry wingels house. Who joe calloway. And larry a bunch of other good good prince actually the recording that came out as we recording this little last recording that came out was jim rashad. Who was also there remained friends ever since we were standing. Close contact so so great to have you. Thank you one of the things. I always like to ask my guests in this time where everybody's an influence or everybody's an expert and all those nonsense nonsensical wings. Who is someone who might we might not. Even know may not even consider who's been a major influence on you and on your leadership who who might that be okay so forth talking about right now so be say publicly accessible if you will this is going to be a little bit different than maybe what what some people actually listen to. I'm actually a huge rich role. Fan ritual his podcast took off Probably four years ago now. Five years ago former recovering alcoholic was a corporate attorney stanford swimmer hardcore distance. Marathon guy He also i think was a little bit responsible for putting david goggin on the map but he he comes to. He brought his topics whether it's leadership definitely much more health and fitness and psychology of performance in a slightly different way than some people do. But but why become enamored with listening to outside of you of course to his podcast is that he's very respectful of different opinions and different views and that he shares his opinions in a way that he's like. Hey you may agree with mary. You may disagree with me. Know i love to hear your side of it. And i think definitely in the times that we're living in now not only here in the us. Globally that sort of perspective of he asks great questions he listens to understand not to be right and so again a little bit different than probably widely. Thank you what am i going to go to. But he's done. He's done a great job so like to listen to him when i'm out running out walking her You don't agree with everything he says. Or maybe even necessarily what is guests say but he hits all lovers of performance from mindset nutrition history The the the brain piece of it just all of it. Sarah i find pretty fascinating fabulous. Yeah I can't remember the name of his podcast though. I think it's called the rich role. Podcast is it. Okay yep okay go make sure that we Let people know about that too. Thank you so. Let's hear your new book span of control spending control so that's a term so let's just define it for people. What does that mean. What does the span of control mean so the way people think about it historically and or in business is this idea of span of control from an org chart perspective and that's not what this is this is about a mindset being very very clear and when you think of span of control as a mantra or framework or a process that it's this idea that's based on multiple frameworks as well as a lot of science and research. And it's this idea that you you have to your span of control is determined by those things that you can and should be focusing on with the very specific understanding that everything else is just a distraction. So it's about being very intentional about what it is at. You're focusing on okay. So so is it. Because i was reading this and i wanna make sure that people understand it because i think people often overestimate what their real span of control is so. Is it really as much about getting clear about what you don't have control of so you can get focused on what you do have control of absolutely so i break it down into three really simple areas now. Let me back at a purchase. Second to be clear as a as a fighter pilot our goal was to because we operated in such sophisticated environments where there were fast moving. They were changing The dynamics of that environment were constantly changing. We were overwhelmed with information. Mm all of the time are what we had to be able to do was was have enough knowledge and enough frameworks combined with either very limited experience or throughout the course of time more experience the ability to clarify the complex what span of control means for me is essentially three things so the first thing is this idea of intentionally understanding in giving clear on focusing on what matters most so in my world. I always say you have to every day began with identifying your top. Three things and then being intentional about what you're saying no to so that first thing is focus on what matters most and the second thing is always have a flight plan for six s. Because if you don't have a framework and it doesn't have to be complex or complicated you'll always be in reaction mode and then the third thing especially from a leadership perspective when you understand what your purpose is and what you're focusing on when you're moving board with intentionally and then you have that plan in place you have to be able to communicate what's possible you have to communicate what's possible even in your own internal dialog but then definitely what's possible to your team and it's critical that you're able to make it concise specific and even dare i say inspirational right. Otherwise people are just going to be like. Okay whatever. Yeah we have another platitude right. And they're onto their own concerns. So it's it's understanding this in three and three buckets if you will so that you're able to take all of this. Just extreme amounts of data and information that are assaulting your senses in your inbox on a daily basis. And be able to make sense with it. So i wanna come back to those three buckets in a minute but i want to focus in on this other part because i want people to grasp that i Because i said i think it's the greatest challenges that this the places we think we have control where we don't you and i would just talking about something about this before we started recording And it's actually something that comes up for many people right now. I'll give an example. Many people feel that they have no control. In fact senator bernie. Sanders has been fighting for for as long as anybody knows him. Which is universal healthcare in the united states. Many people are terrified of getting sick because once they once they do. Their whole lives could be out of control. As a result of being there is a system that is designed it seems at least to remove control from the postseason And i know you had direct experience with this. Because he's right in the opening of the book while you're talking about your mom and what was going on that in the context of and you were scheduled a short you can tell the story. Tell us a little bit about that. Because i mean. Here's somebody you highly trained in managing your thoughts your emotions your behaviors fulfilling what you need to get done. And then there's an out of control situation. And how do you manage that. So i want people to get a first hand experience of it. Is that okay. Well thanks for that. And it's it wasn't my intention. When i first started writing this book to actually include much of any of that And my first book. That i wrote i told a story about my shit not just a story but shared the experience about what happened with my dad and losing. My dad threw a patient safety issue. It was essentially a hospital miss hub and then just a couple of years ago when you know before. This pre cove ed. I'm out on the road. And just you know i do about one hundred events a year so it's a pretty arduous travel schedule and my goal has always been and this is for me. Personally i try to keep. I'm not an over sharer. Social media i try to keep what happens personally very separate from what happens professionally with me because my position on stage. I don't believe to be an antagonised. It's to be an advocate and to show people a different path of. What's possible right. And so i try i just for whatever reason don't usually bring in some of currently what's happening to me right now in that moment on stage and yet i found myself in a position A couple of years ago in march that right in the midst of a very heavy travel season My mom fell ill and at first we thought she was while she was diagnosed with pneumonia. And after a couple of weeks of this and she was down in florida. I live in minnesota and criss crossing the country. After a couple of weeks of this. She getting better. She was in fact actually getting worse and it was only because of she they were giving her heavier and heavier dose of Doses of antibiotics. And i was flying in and out and turned to spend time with their even. If it was just for a night and getting right back on a plane. I at five. Am you know flying to the west coast flying back again that same day trying to you. Know read charts read documents going at and understand. They were salting her with stronger and stronger antibiotics and medicine and she was getting worse along in the short of it was only by chance at one point in time after after the Biologist whoever were looking at all the slide specimens an oncologist happened to be in there and took a peek at her slide and said well. What do you mean pneumonia. That's not what she has. She has stage four cancer so the doctors essentially came out and said what cities we were wrong. That's good thanks. And she has stage four cancer but because of the way the health care system is setup and particularly a couple of laws in florida in order for her to get discharged from the hospital to go over to a cancer center. She had to be walking but they had so eviscerated and knocked her system to shreds. Her legs were swollen. She could no longer walk. Couldn't get out of bed. She went in fully ambulatory oman. No problems and now she couldn't get out of bed so every day. I would come in and i would be like my mom just you just have to be able to get out of bed. Just show them. You can go to the bathroom. So they can discharge you in readmit you to a cancer center. And they ended up for some reason discharging to a physical rehabilitation center that then they could have re admitted her to the cancer hospital. But in the interim i flew home. Because i'd been gone for over a month and by about day to while. I was trying to be patient advocate figuring out. Where can i get her a cat scan. I don't care all hire an ambulance will go do this. We need to figure out what the next steps are right She ended up crashing the physical rehab center and they intimated her in the hospital or in the ambulance on the way to lost battle and from that point in time that day i was on a flight right back down to florida And within about three days she had passed and we lost just an inordinate inordinate amount of time with her it was navigating a system that was broken that failed her and that had not been for me advocating nonstop. My brother asking questions nonstop. She probably would have died in that bed. Thinking chad ammonia it was the most heart wrenching. Oddest thing at the same time. I'm doing events at the same time. I'm trying to hold it altogether and feeling like i have zero control of an outcome simply because anybody i called. Who picked up the phone. Said while i don't know that's just how we do it. Not what's best for the patient. Not holy cow. She has a cancer diagnosis. You're right we're going to check her out and check her right back in literally down the wing into the campus cancer wang. But we can't do that because that's not what our rule say so you lost both parents really from. I'm gonna use a strong tom but medical malpractice you learn closed both of them through ignorance through a system. That is broken. Yeah and that's it is. It's devastating for it would be devastating for anybody on a personal My dad was a former marine corps. Pilot flew for delta. For thirty six years you know so he was all about safety and teamwork and communication and a good process. And hey if you do something wrong admitted so we can all adjust and fix it and would that have changed that outcome for my mom Yeah actually. I bought us time. Yes and it would have bought us quality time where nothing else you know. When they kept telling her she had a cold or it's probably just pneumonia. They could have looked at our done. A draw screened for cancer. And said you know what we're gonna zip you back up. This is bad. Go sit out in the sun if you know. Don't wear sunscreen have a cocktail. It's not treatable. Hug the people that you love and we didn't get that so that malpractice ashley. Remove the dignity. Remove the humanity from the situation and this is such an important point because we're talking about this idea of control and that sometimes we we're outside the span of control of the situation but we're outside of span of control of a situation that needs to be controlled because it's out of control itself and it's a horrible experience and i would wish on anybody but i really because it's so human and so raw. I apologize because i know it's raw. What do you. How do you speak to people who are in that situation where they feel like i'm a i i am a person you've got my my pile on a pretty together guy guy person and i'm dealing with a system that's broken and i could actually fix it or i could. I know how to fix. I know what needs to be fixed. Even if i couldn't. I could help people in places like that level of out of control in a situation. That is not your like. What do you say to some that. Carry a really wanna know you know. It's a great. It's a great question and unfortunately right now. I think they're going be a lot of people who have already found themselves in this situation You know here in the us. We've had a really really difficult time. Navigating cecil the as a community this pandemic not only from a healthcare perspective but from community behavior perspective as well as from a jobs market perspective the the chasm between the haves and the have nots or or the pockets of people who have become even bigger billionaires to the large segments of people who through no fault of their own who have been showing up at work every day then great contributors have been leading teams for five years ten years. Twenty five years forty years of tenure now have been ascribed a value of replaceable or done. You're done and so much of our identity is tied up into what that title is or what our experience has been in the job market. If you will that what can happen is very very quickly. We can sync into this this time or this feeling or this space of Victimhood if you will and the danger. And i don't mean don't mean that people shouldn't feel sad or than that they're not going to feel sad or that they're not going to feel vulnerable and scared and out of control all those things one hundred percent you well and you you pro- probably for a lot of you listening right now you do and i think that what i have found not only with myself but but working with high performers for the last twenty years is that there. There has to come a point in time that you give yourself period that you mourn for that with that with which that that you have lost sorry and totally garbled that up you have to give yourself so that space to mourn and feel betrayed and feel empty and feel like a shell of a human and then you have to put one foot over here on the different horse in the circus mango and now what. What can i do next. And it's this idea of what is going to take to both reject that could but then start taking action right and it might be a little thing rape for me. I had to be super super mindful and intentional on even when my mom was in the hospital the way that he interacted with the nurses with the staff even with the doctors. Because if you start coming with a sledgehammer of course they're gonna shut down right. Which i have the. I had the opportunity to see doctors in person right now. People don't have that no there in the parking lot. They're trying to navigate healthcare for loved ones and the phone. They're trying to navigate virtual learning for their kids with three kids in the back seat on wi fi. While you're on zoom call for work. It's and so it's finding its readjusting and almost recalibrating right now. I think right now. What success looks like and i think that the time that we're in right now that's really really important that we don't get lost in in the filter. Bs that we see on instagram. You know and the b. s. Hey here's your six steps to life hack of of how to hack your way to be a number one performer. Right because there's a whole mess of us right. Now that people are just hanging on so it's narrowing the scope actually go ahead and binge a little bit on netflixif. You want binge a little bit on hulu or prime or whatever your poisonous put a guardrail on it and tell yourself i'm gonna watch two episodes and then i'm going to get back to doing something i know will put either myself or my team in a space. A head space. That's more valuable than where i am right now. And it's it's it's navigating this and i do think this is where we every day i mean. I got tattooed on my wrist when my mom was in the hospital. And it's s it's a little. Oh and it's a see that if i'm on stage people think it's a decoration but if i put my hand in front of me in a serving motion i see it and it's a reminder of span of control span of control span of control. What can i do to end up in a place more valuable than i am right now or help somebody else get to a place. That's more valuable than where they are right now. Will you brought up. Something very powerful and important and i think that I think that this is something that most people particularly those of us who are highly trained those of us who are leaders who hold ourselves in. I've got my shit together. Sort of you know idea is somebody i talked about when i had my full and i said the point where you know people say. Oh the fall must must've changed and i said no it didn't it wasn't what changed me. It was what came after it was the and it's the moment of making a choice to not go back to normal and everybody's talking when we get back to normal gnomes oba so don't try and go back to normal and but the challenges if you get the normals ova you are now left with the most seductive of all choices and this seduction is to being a victim. It's very seductive. Because it doesn't require you to do everything and you have complete justification. Those boston's killed my parents with a terrible system. It's not my fault those bastards Fired me you know. Because of the corona virus It's not my fault. Those bosses and the government did this or that happened or this didn't happen all whatever it is. And it's so seductive and the end for me for me. The only thing that turned it around was you know. Why am i here. What can i do in the direction of why i'm here. I what do i have control over. And who can i serve. That was what saved my life. Who can i serve And when i felt like absolute crap. And i had nothing. I mean nothing. I went to a place of going the only way i can serve in this moment because i feel so horrible is i can go for a walk and i can. Smile at people are walking by now. You wearing a mask okay. So he's one. I did not saying this is right. It was actually was only to move my head. I don't know whether it's true or not true whether it didn't work. It was just my way to serve and got me out of my own head. And that is as i walked past people. I would bless them. I would imagine this energy of love leaving my heart and washing over them and it was. I called it. A blessing you got whatever you want and it was immediately make me feel better and it would give me a sense of control of something when you feel out of control and we are in this situation of feeling out of control and you'll book really lays out a structure for confronting overwhelm because a lot of this out of control this constant sense of overwhelm walkers through a little bit of that. It is no doubt and i think. What's what's fascinating in what you were just sharing about how you worked through it. One of the things that i well a couple of things that i always share with people is that adversity. Introduces you to yourself adversity. Introduces you to who you really. Are those vulnerabilities as well as those strengths. And what you were sharing about how you said that you were actively blessing people that's there. There's there's a mechanism in that not only from a control perspective because you were holding onto a little piece and you know and i talk to people about this even about an attitude and how you show up matters and by that i do not mean nor do i ever wanted to be interpreted as hey everyday you show up. You have to be all smiles and hashtag glass. This is awesome right unicorns and butterflies and sparkly real typing in the background. It's not that no not that but having a positive attitude doesn't mean you still have standards. You're going to be working towards getting better. Doesn't mean that everything is going to be forward motion and that you do realize that psychological and scientifically realized that although a positive attitude does not guarantee success as important a negative attitude kills your ability to adapt on. What's happening right now And i'm gonna say in large part because of media nancy social media and it doesn't even matter which side of the fence you're on right now. Everything is negative. Everything is negative. And you know this. From a brain science perspective. Our brains are historically wired and scientifically wired to hang onto the negative like you can remember ninety nine negative things or you hear one negative thing and ninety nine positive things have disappeared because your brain is wrapped around protection mode and scarcity. And that's a warning and watch out watch out you know secu. Secure your environment protect yourself. Put up the wall. In when were being inundated with all of this negative negatively if you're watching the news if you're scrolling so search social media if you are doomed scrolling in feeding your brain with all of that you've got no chance of coming out on top because you are. You are hardwired to survive right now and and it's so damaging so what you've found in in that taking action of the one thing you could control amount was to throw a little bit of positivity out there right and it wasn't bs positive. You're like i am literally going to try to make somebody else's day better for them and you've got to do fear so mart. Waterway french came over. I was in the dock his place and he came over and he goes like he knew goes. How do you look so good when you're feeling so terrible and i go. What do you mean. And i didn't look good at bags and was still recovering from surgery and an you talk my shit. And he goes no not that he goes. Your sure is press beautifully. And i said i and his like you and i talked about this in a previous conversation about the general and make you bet right. It was my way of saying. I'm not beaten yet. Because i will not have anybody over will meet anybody in an oppressed shirt. My stood the seam down the arm and and just and for me it was meditative. People go well because they share with you. Even i was going through one of the habits that i picked up even during flight school everybody had different ways of dealing with the stress and you know and even learning really critical things and yeah some people juggled. Some people bounced to tennis ball. My thing was probably. Because i saw my dad doing it growing up. I would polish my boots now from a military perspective. You know people are like oh you're gonna kick your boots anyway on the airplane. They're gonna get scuffed or something happens and you go down in hostile territory. You're going to have to knock the shine off. And i'm like but when i was stressed or i remember specifically when i lost friends you can tell almost the depth of how sad i was by. How shiny my boots. And because i was sitting there with a toothbrush on every thread rate because that was that i want people to get here because you know obviously our audience our high performing individuals and one of the things. I'm writing a lot about this. right now. is is high performers who over perform during stress. Yes i understand that. I get it because i'm one i get it. I understand that. I'm not judging anybody. I'm one i my workload goes up not down on stress people go you know you need to take some time off. I'm like no. I don't that actually would not work for me. But the challenge with that is is a noble performance and the danger of then compartmentalizing. The feelings come out as a version of ptsd later and so the importance of yes fine policy shoes make you bet i knew shirt whatever. It takes blessed people. Whatever it's fine but feel the feelings because you can't compartmentalize feelings all of the time because you will internally explode whether that's internal or external you'll explode and one of the things that i know from the book you know i mean first of all. We know what people are doing that. And meanwhile we also know the during the pandemic alcohol sales in the united states have gone up almost two hundred and fifty percent We're all trying to cope. I get that but one of the things you you've talked about in the book is yeah. You gotta manage this control you. Go look at all of those buckets that we talked about at the beginning but touch was about feeling the feelings and managing the situation because for many people. It's either all on my other. A snowball in a corner or buttoned up and i'm controlled and it's fine and it's not one. It's both talked to us about that. From your point of view. Yeah i one hundred percent and this is where again one one of my. This is me being completely transparent with the audience that i i don't like feeling vulnerable pretty much. Most people don't not. I also came from a culture and environment an environment in the upper midwest that also was extraordinarily stoic. Come from a waspy environment and you're a military family and you become part of the military feelings. Not really an option. Nobody time for that. I'll have time for that. Skew set aside you compartmentalize and you do your job and and it caught up. It caught up with me. Actually when my kids were really young. And i brought it into the book because i was like you know. People people can look from the outside and ago while she doesn't understand she's really lucky. I've seen her instagram. She used to travel hourly traveling monterey. Now you know. She looks like she has nice kids. and everything. she's just luckier than i am. Right or better resourced. And and even with all of those skill sets of understanding. How do you work through task overload. How do you work through stress in task saturation. And all of these things and and multi bowl. You know Priorities pulling on you. I ran into a point. Where right after i had my fourth child. My husband was gone. Most of the month I was struggling to. We just moved to a new place. I found out to my kids had to have pretty important. Pretty serious surgery done almost at the same time We didn't have any family. We didn't have any friends. Down there on trying to run a business boards and i felt like i was handling it all until all of a sudden i started getting a couple of episodes where i was like. I think i might be having heart attack. Like i felt like i was going to pass out. I was super sweaty. My heart was just going thousand miles an hour. And i actually had to go to the doctor to figure out what was going on and i wore this halter monitor. Our heart monitor for almost a month and they tracked and they discovered that every time my heart rate was going up to about one hundred eighty five beats per minute. Which if you've ever worked out at all young. Oh that. That's like almost max performance as i was thirty two years old. I you got to really push to get one fifty five yaron. The one eighty plus is like yeah and they identified that that was happening at nap time at the times when i was trying to get all four kids in the car to get somewhere on time and at bedtime now i know one shooting at me. I'm not on fire. How on earth is my body reacting to the stress in that way and yet you step back from it. And i realized at that point in time i was literally not only trying to do all of the things all of the things. I thought were expected of me all of the things that i thought i needed to do. At one hundred percent and do really well and it almost killed me. So i had to take a step back and go you know what i'm buying banana bread loaves from cosco. I'm gonna. I'm still on the pta board. But i'm not. I not baking seventeen different kinds of bread and wrapping them all up and doing us. And i had to figure out. What were those things that you know. Media used to spend eight hours on a proposal it was now down to four. I looked at it. I'm like yep the rest of it we can discuss. It's good. it's above average may not be perfect. But it's good enough. And i actually not just from an instagram motivational. B s. you know hype square. Hey let go of perfect and do good enough actually had to recalibrate what that looks like to keep the ball moving forward in a productive way so it didn't kill me right and that was. That was a huge. A ha moment for me even personally because i thought holy cats i've had years of training on task overload task stress management. I know sports psychology. I was a high-performing athlete. And it almost killed me so now you go to where we are today with people. Leading teams virtually people trying to sit in a closet. Unas zoom call. That again have kids. Probably that are trying to do the school thing. We're trying to manage care from across the pond and yet i know i tell you what you've done i've done as i'm doing. Virtual events now. Is i tell people right at the outset right before we hit the record button on like if you have a kid that comes in or dog that starts barking or a hat that wants to get picked up. Pick them up and show them to us like do the lion king. Hey look what. I'm also doing because anything less right now is making everybody else. Feel bad and feel not worthy and not up to the task. Such great advice kerry really is went off on a tangent at all. I think it's vitally important because i want things. I tell the leaders that. I work with right now. I've taught you every strategy i can think of. But here's what i'm going to tell you need me more than ever because now it's not strategy humanity. It's the things i've taught you about your humanity and what you say about you know your kid comes in room. Pick them up the doug and pat the dog. The cat walks across the camera. Okay you know we saw the cat's ass who says yeah. It doesn't really matter in. This is so important for us because we forget always we still are trying to play that game and it just doesn't work those days are over and as you said and i say this to eight tubs all time. I know you think you've got it together. I did a video. Where talking about one of my clients whose a she's a ceo of a company. She's very high performance. She has a puna pile. She's amazing. And i you know i talked to her and she was giving her all the strategies and helping with a breathing and a maintenance and everything was good and about five months into the pandemic she said. I don't know what's going on. i'm falling apart. i'm a mess. I can't get my head together. We'll have oh i've managed. Everything has been fantastic. I said can i ask you a question. I said things feeling pretty normal and she goes. Well yeah i mean apart from remote. We've got systems in place in it. Yeah and it's adopt the problem and she goes what said this is. Ptsd it's post and for aswa high-performance where eight types we feeling it later so while you're team falling apart that just put you on high function when your team is now doesn't need you know your brain goes. Oh i can relax now and it's not. It's not sustainable. Nowhere tops of cortisol enough you go. Yes and adrenal fatigue and all of that. I just had a call about a month ago with a senior vice president of several billion dollar company it was on zoom and about ten seconds into it. I've looked at her. And i said do you wanna turn your camera often. Just talk and she was like yes. I would love that. And i'm like let's do it so we both turned our camera off and i go. Are you going to get up right now and get something to drink and walk around your house. And she goes yeah. I feel liberated right now right because it's even that exhaustion that now all of a sudden were were all expected to be staring into a camera. That's a size of eraserhead making eye contact. Not looking away. You know not thinking not an having to be on and sparkly all the time and and that's just a piece of people then you look at the people right now who are leading teams. That that again you get back to the childcare. You get back to health care of managing upa generation or laterally or friends and family who are getting sick or or worried about feeling so disconnected because when people are working virtually found great benefit in some areas to virtual work in so far as wet. What's different for me now. If i'm doing an event that has a thousand or five thousand people on it. People have access to me in a different way that they can shoot me something in the chat room that i can answer so this is a very specific thing in so far as my work is concerned at those people would have never raised their hands before but what i'm also keenly aware of is that probably seventy percent of the people on that call are struggling with the demons of isolation and wondering if by now hitting reply all swim seen so my boss network is still valuable that they see it and and all my. Gosh what's going to happen can't afford to lose this job. I can't afford to put the zoom call on mute because a little becky or little johnny or or my mom's texting me or whatever the case may be they'll catch me multitasking. When again this goes back to right now from a leadership perspective you have to. You have to double down on the personal. You have to double down on the relationship building. You have to double down picking up the phone and calling people and saying i don't need from you. I'm just checking in on you because this is tate. This is this is table stakes for people's mental health. Moving forward. yes and who are. We still going to have on board when things start to even out a little bit. Because it's the uncertainty and not knowing the duration globally as everything keeps a whip sign. It's not knowing the duration and that uncertainty. That's like an anchor on all of us. So when you say and you talk to your your you know the person you were working within coaching that they're like i don't understand what it is. It's that so then. You have to acknowledge that acknowledged. The feeling of vulnerability acknowledged people that. Hey they're there. As i like. I gotta get a cup of coffee too or an extra forty five minutes on my cardio because that makes me feel like at least i have a chance at coping. Only urban nice ideas now get washed through the filter. So there's some things that you saw. Oh yeah. I should do that that you really don't give a crap about you. Never will and it doesn't matter and there are other things that you were thinking. I probably should do that now. You absolutely have no choice. The you need to do that so you know you weren't exercising before you don't have a choice. Now you thought you should meditate. You don't have a choice now and it doesn't matter what it is. Maybe you call you your meditation pra. Maybe call it breathing. Maybe call it meditation. I don't know but there are things that you've got to do to take care of you. That ally and this is very much to what you were saying harry right in the beginning which is understanding what you actually have control. Oh rod them what you don't have control n taking control over what you have control over which could be as simple nisus for me so being again completely transparent talking before we started recording. That my mom's on a deathbed. I don't have any control over that my mom's in the uk. I can't even go there all of that. I feel out of control. Would it my sisters. I'm very blessed my sister's wonderful and she's there but i'm not in control the hatton on control often. I can speak to my mom because she's not always awaken. I'm i call every day but at the same time i also know i'm good while i'm working because i'm totally focused again was by what we just talked about. I guess what the elephant comes and sits on my chest now. Anxiety comes back that bell around my chest. Tightening ca feelings eighty. So guess what i've got to do. I don't have a choice. I gotta take care of myself. I have to block in my schedule. Which is crazy schedule blocked fifteen minutes so i pull away from the computer. I go stand outside. And i do my breathing exercise. Because that's what i have control over. And this is what people don't realize. And i have to sit and write in my journal and i have some tears and feel the pain and say goodbye. Whatever is and sometimes. I do a video at people. Somebody said to me the great video you put up the thank you. You're really together. Thank you when they said. Hold on a sec. Isn't this going on with your. Yeah wow. I can't believe you did that. Oh believe me. It would have been far less together. My mom was good. It was that that's the focus. Yeah install yes you can. You can perform a high level. But you can't ignore the feelings. And i really appreciate you putting that into the book and allowing people to see that we're gonna come towards the end of the show and there's a. There's a final chapter in the book. That i want to address here because i think it's very appropriate. Tell us about the last chapter. Put the letter down So that was actually. That was one of the probably. How's the how's what's the right grammar on that. Probably one of the funnest and also one of the most impassioned pieces of the book that i wrote because in my experience so so a story that i share a little bit about last chapter is about. Is that of the wasps. And they were the women. Airforce service pilots and clearly. And if you're not super familiar with even my journey the there was it was really. It's challenging for anybody. To become a fighter pilot rate. The funnel starts out pretty big an every day it gets smaller and smaller and smaller. And there's only a very small percentage of people who ever start off even flight school that ever go on to make it into the cockpit of a minor. Jet am partly probably because of my background and my dad was aviator. I'd studied the prisoners of war. I i knew about aviators beforehand. And i knew somewhat about the women airforce service pilots. So i didn't understand when i first started wining like i don't understand why this is such a big deal. This is a water drama. Like i don't need any part of this. P. c. b. s. I just wanna to fly right. And i figured hey as long as they perform well nobody will notice. I'm female which is also what we call a misperception. What what. It was the wasps. The wasps flew in the us. Almost two million flight hours and nineteen forty four and nineteen forty five said. They were critical to the us winning That world war because they did every piece of aviation the flight testing the training the supporting the fairing that then allowed the men to go overseas and actually flying combat overseas but as soon as that war effort was done. They literally were told. Go back home. Be good wives be good mothers. Do not ever speak of this experience again crazy. So then we hit the fifties and sixties and a couple of the women were like wool will wait a second like we were veterans. We served in the war and they started kinda turned back a little bit asking for that recognition that they were promised asking for the benefits that they were promised. And then we hit the sixties and we hit the seventies then we had the eighty s. Where top gun comes out. And i'm still in grade school and high school then. We hit the nineties. Or i find. People are like winning kamli combat aircraft. Why women can't fine. I'm still looking at this coin. This is crazy man. What i what i discovered in this time was such a an acute lack of awareness of history when i clearly was standing on the shoulders of the women who came before me and so the one thing i try to impart on not only my kids but the people that i work with as soon as you inch forward even just a little bit it is incumbent upon you to put the ladder down to bring somebody with you this is this is like being a mentor and being a sponsor at hyper force multiplier. Right if you get to the top of that mountain you're trying to climb by yourself. I don't consider that a success. If you hit that mid level manager position or the the executive suite or you're an svp and you're not bringing working just as hard to bring people with you and develop people. I don't look at that as a success. You know you're going to get a golfer clap. Permian go good for you. But i'm not going to respect it. Put the ladder down. Bring people with you. If you have found luck and have found coaches and mentors along the way that have enabled you to find success. Put that ladder down and help people bring people on the journey with you otherwise for what are you doing this for. I love that and that's what i really loved in the book and one of the things about it. Is you know. I love that point. About how many hours it did you say over. Two million our two million right over two million hours and most people don't know about it. I mean we've all seen the. We've seen the poster the woman with the bicep melissa in but at the same time it it those women were in many ways supposed to be forgotten and i watched a show a movie Recently on netflix called the dig which yeah right and it's about ray fines playing this guy. Basil brown who was in a layoff theologist who never got any credit and he was the one who knew what to dig for big for it and did all of that. And i watch those shows and they always saddened me because if you don't have the right latches after your name is very easy to be forgotten but it doesn't mean that people without lexus. After the name haven't done it and the letters after the name in this case is two million flying hours and that you say no no hold on a second. Let's bring their attempts. Yeah you've done it but there was women who were doing this in the second world war. Who without them. We may not have one who did this so if we don't bring that awareness that's terrible loss and the loss not and i. I saw that movie as well on apologies to anybody who hasn't seen it in. This might be a little bit of a spoiler so hopefully you forget it by the time you watch it. Is i think they said that once that went to the exhibit went to the british of whatever. It's called him sorry. Karen number name exactly. It was still ten years before. They put his name on the exhibit. Oh it was longer put his second world war when he founded and he did not and he was never given credit until the ninety s. It's crazy the nineties which is very similar to what you're talking about with these women. I mean how multi frigging years lit forty plus years later before acknowledging people who made a massive contribution. And so what. I would say to lead us. Today is who's contributing that you're not giving credit to in this crisis who is slipping through the cracks. Because they're not at the ceo level. Who is the mid level manager. Who's the janitor. Who's the assistant who save in the freakin day. But you know notice them and you're just waiting to get to normal so you can ask them to get your coffee again. While and i think i think one of the really important pieces of it too and i can't i can't restate it exactly because obviously i'm not reading my book in front of you right now but were where i find. Why was such an emotional and like part. Passion impart ingraham part frustrating part. Oh you know asterix. She shakes fist at sky is by understanding even the story of the wasps and understanding. Exactly what you just said what that allows us to do as people as humans as leaders is to understand our capacity to endure and our strength and you derive strength from hearing other people stories of and and unfortunately because the media too often what we see unless the stories told in a beautiful way. Is we celebrate people's downfall instead of looking at. What are the lessons what somebody find me on my team right now. Three examples of somebody who has been through this shit and they still showed up and were still supportive of somebody else. That's the story. I want to hear but as i want a chance at feeling like when i am in the ditch when i am so come with grief that there's going to be a light on the other side and it's only by us sharing those stories that we start to believe in our capacity to endure. It shared a story in their of I've i've read over the last decades tons of I'm super fascinated by the prisoners of war our prisoner of war especially the aviators their capacity to endure. And and who did. Who didn't who became really high performers afterwards. In spite of how many years they were just tortured mercilessly. And it's those people who were able to balance a reasonable amount of optimism with understanding realistically that they're in the shit and it's gonna be hard and when you can do that and you don't sugarcoat it and you find that way forward. You find a way to celebrate the little things right mike. Anybody who's follow me on instagram. I put stuff on stories but every six months or so. I'll drop something in some sweaty ratchet lookin shot. 'cause i'm not a pre. My hair doesn't stale. Pretty curly. When i really out right like i work out hard. I'm not gonna look like a perfect cupcake when i'm done. I just tried to tell people. I'm like you don't have to do what you see other people doing. But if you just show up for twelve minutes. I promise you it'll feel better. You don't have to do forty five. You don't have to do seventy five. Some eighty minute enduro ride but over time by you saying i'm just going to up for twelve minutes. Twelve minutes turns into fourteen. Fourteen turns into sixteen next thing. You know you're at twenty five right and you start believing in your capacity to endure and to grow but it's only seen other people and sharing other people's stories and and people being willing to be vulnerable that we start to believe that that we have a shot to listen. I have absolutely loved our conversation. Real thank you for taking the time to be with others. I know how busy you are. No even joy times that you're very highly in demand individual and i really appreciate you taking the time to show with our audience before we finish. I would love you to tell our audience can find out more about you about the book about all of your resources. Absolutely you can. You can find me pretty much on all the social channels. I am under my real name. Carry laurenz or you can just go to carry laurenz dot com and my book is is going to be available. or will be available on all the amazon independent retailers audible. All that good stuff. And i really appreciate it. I know we went down a different path. I think today than than maybe we thought. But i think that for all the leaders right now who are listening and horror trying to figure out. How do i hold it together. How do i better manage my people. We have to hit at the personal right now or the rest of. It's not gonna work. I fully agree. It's vitally important it's probably the most important thing and where the show goes is whether show needs to go and i'm more than happy with that and again i really thank you for your time and hope you'll stay with us to the end and If you wanna find out more about carry as a said we will make sure that you can see all the links to carries websites and all of our social media. We really appreciate you being here with us and for utilised. Now remember that you can hang out with other conscious leaders and you can chat about this episode or any about past episodes inside of facebook and lincoln groups. Just look for the leadership and loyalty podcast. 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SMAC283 Wonder Women Of Aviation Podcast with Natalia McAlee

Stuck Mic AvCast – An Aviation Podcast About Learning to Fly, Living to Fly, & Loving to Fly

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SMAC283 Wonder Women Of Aviation Podcast with Natalia McAlee

"The bodily megyn podcast is presented as entertainment not flight instruction though some participants are certified flight instructors their comments opinions discussions of flying techniques. Are there's alone. None of the co hosts or guests on this podcast acting as your flight instructor. Please consult your own. Csi for guidance on your specific flight training aeronautical knowledge and aircraft operation. This is the stuck mike. F cast and aviation podcast about learning to fly living to fly and loving to fly welcomed episode. Two three which we discuss a new podcast. Wonder woman of aviation with hosts natalia kelly. Hey before we begin shoutout to our sponsor of the spartan college aeronautics and technology please visit them at spartan dot edu. You can find out. More about their giveaway. They're giving away. Fifty scholarships guides that's scholarships guy. We have with over a hundred. Twenty million dollars in scholarships you can find out more by going to stuck mike. Afgas dot com slash free use a coupon code spartan thanks spartan find them at spartan dot. Edu now entering crew's flight wonder woman of aviation is a podcast that helps preserve the history of women in aviation highlights women involved in all aspects of aviation each episode natalia interviews women both in and out of the cockpit to talk about their passions experiences the history of aviation and how they make an impact joining us. Today is the host of the podcast. Welcome to show and tell you. Thank you for having me. It's on being on the other side and it's great to have you. We've done so much together as far as air shows and and through that circuit. We'll talk about that later. But first of all i want to say hats off to you. Please go out and check out our podcast. The wonder women of aviation and it's It's awesome absolutely awesome podcast. But first before we talk about that you're no stranger aviation so let's talk a little bit about your journey and how you it's evolved because you have a very background in aviation gill. Yeah so My mom and dad while my mom actually started working for an airline And that's something that i was exposed to as a child i was always kind of you know just curious about aircraft and we would go live the nonren- life. We would just jump on airplanes win soda. So i was always intrigued by aviation so i knew i wanted to get into it and i started as soon as i turned eighteen. I became a customer service agent for That said airline and that's something that just kinda grew involved. Because the more i learn the more i grew in the more i wanted to be a part of something so i worked for that airline for about maybe fifteen years i wanted more. I knew that okay. I i know the customer service side of the house. I wanna learn how things work. So i started working for Another regional airline. Where i learned. More of the auditing and safety aspect of it so i would go out in the field. I'm just audit aircraft making sure that everything was in compliance. So i learned the complaint site of the house. I wanted more after that. So i started to work for the department of aviation where i learned to basically learned all of o'hara's runways i was -mergency response When it came down to just opening and closing runways. I issued a lot of the the the closures closures. So that was a big part of my life that i absolutely loved but i also missed airplanes and interacting with people so i went back to an airline on currently working for a legacy airline. I've been here for three years of customer service supervisor. I'm which i absolutely love. So i mean it's been part of my life. I was counting the other day proudly for over one years. I've been in the airline industry. Yeah it's like it added study it just kinda like everyone says you got bit by the bug. That was exactly what happened. Three was always intrigued. And i'm like. I want more absolutely and we understand that bug and and now you can hear in the background. You guys are are working hard right right now. You're at work. I mean you between shifts between as they call banks banks as the word. I should've used But it's really dynamic and exciting environment and you see so much during the day. Which i think is is really cool. Another cool thing is that. I think you represent women in aviation in a great way and that you're great example in the fact that you've actually done so many things in aviation and that's kind of that's the reason we're here today. I wanna talk a lot about that. Because i think i think there's more people that should be like yourself and there are. They're getting there that get out there and show people. Hey you can do it. You're just like me. You can do it if i can do it so then you started. I guess this podcast. You have this incredible background in aviation and you started this podcast and it's called the wonder women of aviation that's correct right and so tell us a little bit about Why why why did you start this podcast and then tell us a little bit about what it is. Okay so. I started it mainly to learn more about so. My husband is an initial pilot. Patrick which you know and i kinda got buried into the different side of the house. Which was the aerobatics. The g. a. them. The i call the exciting part of aviation. But i found myself lost and confused. I'm like okay. I know aviation but this was a whole different world for me so i stepped into that world. I started to ask more questions on. My background is in journalism. And i and lately always wanting to learn and ask more so when i started to attend airshows and i started to me all these cool individuals. I wanted to learn more about their story but more so the women that are involved behind the scenes. We tend to forget that. There's more to aviation than just flying or becoming a flight attendant or a pilot. There's different aspects that you know like myself people on the ground that make it happen so i started the pas podcast recently just as a way to learn more about the different women individuals involved in aviation so i started to just pick my husband's brain. Tell me your story. Tell me about the women that influenced you inspired you. And i'm going to go after them and chase them learn more. It's a little bit and what's interesting is that and you've had such a key role in aviation. I think a lot of times. When when like someone's introduced you think about your husband right in the air show circuit and you've had this incredible career in aviation and hats off to you and and that's something that i love about your podcast. Is you bring to the fore a lot of different careers that people don't think about in our sister podcast. Abc occurs podcast. Of course we talk about that often about all different careers and that that is something i truly love and i truly love the fact that by doing this you're making a little more inclusive and And that's something that we're trying to do more and more in life in general especially in aviation i know on the pilots and you talked about pilots flight attendants and the pilots is very few women in the aviation world. I don't know the stats on say other than Flights in the fields that urine as far as like at airport operations in that type of thing. I was wondering maybe you could give us a little color there. Maybe just through your own experiences. If you don't know the numbers. And yeah i have to research the stats is actually something. I've been wanting to research but for In the previous department i worked for it was just i think for every ten men that worked in the department there is just two females so it was a pretty low percentage in the airport. Ops when it comes down to you my current employer. We do have a lot of women and strong roles. It from the ops perspective. I think we're growing and we're promoting that But there's obviously more room for growth right. So i see the shift in the change We're not where we need to be. But it's growing and that's one thing that i want to get out there that there are more roles that if you you're not the type of person i wanna learn a fly but i mean it's gonna take a while and i'm i'm deathly afraid of flying but there's other things that you can do if you're passionate about aviation that you're necessary if not exposed to it. You're not aware of these jobs. Yeah one of those. I think is really cool. That people don't think about you've had on your podcast is Wing walker and it's like people don't realize that's the thing and there's you just go to. The air shows that a lot of friends and have met so many wing walkers and what an incredible story that was and You know one of the things. I think people will find out by. Listening to episode is the incredible amount of work that goes into an and it's not just getting out there on the wing and walk. There's more to it isn't there. Oh yeah absolutely. I mean when she started talking about the physical aspect of mental aspect of it. There's so many components training that's involved behind it like you. You look at it. You look in the sky or like okay. This is amazing. But again being the journalist that i am i am. I'm just like okay. What truly what is involved in when i heard kelley garvan is the interview that i had I was just in awe. You know she inspired me. Even more i was like oh my gosh. This is amazing. Another person that i thought was really cool. Somebody that i i really admire is teresa eamon. And and having her on and that she's a period actor and singer actually a little Kind of trivia for me that was actually the last thing. I went to to listen new last concert. I went to with my father before he passed was with theresa. Trl territories that. I said you know we both were in awe of her and listening to her background and and the challenges that she has had Just absolutely amazing. And what was inspiring is that she kept going up. Yeah and she's actually on one of my next. Podcasts are scheduled been crazy. 'cause she's gonna the couple years shows so I can't talk on that yet. But she's definitely someone. I'm going to learn more about who she is awesome. I mean she just everything. I've every every interview we i've ever done with her and listen to her she just is so upbeat and just the fact that she's just just out there and just terrific Just then that's awesome. But i think i've seen you theresa out in the field. I think it was at sun of fun. I can't remember where you guys were talking. That's probably what i'm sharing to. Yeah that was about but crossing paths running you know and that's the other thing that's interesting about this industry. How small it is isn't it. It's like you're sitting there you're like. Oh wow you know here. I am at this air show and they all become like family don't they they do And i i i. I'm trying to think of when i first met therese. I think it was that. I cast the international council of air show convention that we go to every year and i saw her and i think it was ricardo and i was intrigued by her out. Fat i'm like. Oh my gosh. She is promoting the forties fifties. I love that vintage. Look at something. That i've always been enamoured with and then ricardo is kind of like her side kick just like i met her there and i learn more about her story. And i'm like okay. The vintage vocals the fact that she promotes the history of it. And that's what really i think. She was one of the women that i haven't told her. Yet that has inspired me to really pursue the his the historical aspect of Aviation which leads me into like the wasp and we can talk about that later. But she definitely has inspired me To pursue different avenues of the historical aspect of my podcast. Your stock a little bit about the history. I mean i think that's awesome that you're you're going into the historical aspect of of aviation and women in aviation You know i fortunately have for many years been able to interview the women. Airforce service pilots or the wasp as you mentioned At different airshows especially at sunan fund And you can go back and listen to those. And they're just amazing people and they're so humble and humbling to me because of what they have done and i think a lot of people we've almost erased that part of a history but we're now were writing it again and that's what's so exciting if you listen to their story. They're finally getting the recognition that they deserve. Don't you think you know absolutely. I think they were saying that was in two thousand. They just recently received the congressional award. And i'm like why did it take so long. I'm glad it happened but that kinda prompted more questions like i. I didn't know who they were. I had no idea that they existed in. It's a shame because these women were such powerful moguls in the industry in the nineteen forties during the war. That helps support the men. And i'm like why are we forgetting about that piece of our history. So i actually Have a ton of interviews lined up with the waas There's actually a movie. That's coming out. So i have an interview with the director Kate kiro white believe is surname. Heard of it. I have rise above. The wasp is amazing movie. I saw the previews will make. Oh my gosh this ogle. I can't wait till that comes out. Yeah i mean. I i love the fact that bees women are actually promoting that piece of our history and bringing the story in a way that you know you're not going to be. I mean not that it's boring but you know just with the current age right no and listening to their stories. I mean what could be boring about it and you know i'll never forget one of my interviews. I asked one of the ladies. You know what she flew and she said the the multi aircraft which one all of them really well and one of the things think we need to keep doing is asking those questions of these people because those stories were put to the the background they final flight. Final fight final flight. Whichever way it is. There's a book out there that talks about the fight to have them actually buried in military cemetery and that's finally has happened and that's that's actually terrific that they're doing that it's interesting. You said something there you tune in non something the two thousand nine people do not understand that history because sometimes we do that. You know we don't we don't wanna think about some things that weren't good in the back and the in our history and but sometimes it's best to bring it to the four so that we can learn from it because we just ignore it when i can learn our way. Oh absolutely i think it just takes different individuals to tell the story in a different way Because we're constantly evolving and changing as a society. So i think maybe that's exactly what's happening right now. It's these individuals that have a different perspective and are able to tell the story in a way that we can relate. So i think it's it's phenomenal. What they're doing There's also an audio book that i'm listening to A it's called. I'm trying to think of the name the air. It's about the wasp as well. So there's there's a lot of different pieces of media that are being put out there which is great. It is terrific and so with that said going through the history. I think something important is that we can get inspiration through that history. So i'm assuming and i'll ask you this. What who who is it. You're trying to reach with this. And we kinda hinted at the beginning but specifically you know why again we go back to the why the podcast and who your audience who you want your audience to be generally. I'm trying to reach out to individuals like myself who weren't necessarily exposed to it. Although i was exposed to aviation i was exposed to the history of aviation so those that are outsiders looking in that may or may not be an aviation just kind of getting out to the general public And want to learn more about it or just haven't heard of it. So i just wanna reach a new target audience that hasn't been exposed to these stories and these women or individuals in aviation so it just can be anyone and everyone honestly and i think that's terrific. I think one of the things. And i tried to do that with our our podcast and other podcasts and And somebody that. I think that at times forget about those producers in aviation like you said the producer like nancy spielberg. I mean her brother gets all the recognition but she did that. Great aviation show above and beyond. I mean there are. There are so many so many people out there that i really wish we. We could have more out there in aviation in the world Put out there in their names shining and lights. And that's what you're doing. I think that's great. That's awesome terry. I want to reach to I actually met. We just did a show in battle creek and Deysi julia deysi. I met her and she was talking about the jc airshow team. And i was like what do you do. and she focuses specifically on military coordination. I'm like oh that's cool. You're going to be on my fogcast. Those producers behind the scenes individuals that you know. Make something so amazing and beautiful. But you're like you said they don't get that recognition An you know. i'm. I'm an introvert by it or not. And sometimes i wanna be behind the scenes and i don't want to be seen and i get it but i i'm gonna find you and that's i'm glad you're doing that. They it's interesting. You say you behind the scenes but out in the air show circuit. You're you're a pretty recognizable is the best way to say it. Can we talk about that. By the way what. You're what you do on the airshow circuit with your husband patrick. So absolutely What i do is provide you know we were talking about the other day. I'm like how can we packaged in a way where people understand. I'm so a big part of my life has been pop culture in comic books on my always been intrigued by comic books. The stories of the superhero that different. You know ultra egos because growing up. I was shy. And i'm still an introvert. So it always kind of delve into that creative world The main character that identify whiskas is wonder woman and i what i do is cost play. I don't know if you've heard of it but it's a short term for costume play. I'm so cost. Play at shows is a form of self expression. And i go and the crowd and i support. After patrick flies we go on the ground and we kind of walk the crowd and i dressed up as this character and just take pictures. Meet with fans helps support. Patrick and like i said just show that. Guess love for the character as well as guests identifying with the community and connecting with community and it and it works And honestly one of my favorite things about your. That really got me interested in the thai. Is the pictures that i see when you're in an air show and you see this little girl looking up at you in wonderment. And she's almost projecting yourself on you and that actually kinda hits at your heartstrings. I feel it's really does. And i'm still taking a back this last show that we performed at Boy my husband performed but you know. I was walking around and costly You know. I had two little kids. And i'm sure you've probably seen the picture. They just ran up to me and hugged. What do i do. So it was. Just that moment i was beyond magical and then another kid had a little toy and he was just like playing an acting with me in that. That's i'm like this is what it is. This is costly this reenacting a moment whether it's helped pop culture or someone you look up to and playing into that lake imagination. I'm all about promoting the art of Just imagination and creativity. And that's exactly like i'm like we nailed it nailed. I think you did during the air. Show your husband. Patrick really takes things away and and takes our breath away but after the show i think you do and i think what do you do together is absolutely wonderful. And the fact that you're reaching out to so many people so many young people. That's what really excites me is because i think they look at you and say i want to be like her. I wanna be. I wanna i want i can do this. I want to get out there and try whatever it may be. It doesn't have to be aviation whatever it is can do it. And i think that's one of the things i absolutely love about what you folks do. And what you're doing with the podcast to absolutely by the way patrick mackel you can find them out. patrick macalister shows. I think it is on the website and patrick. Layers dot com. He's on instagram. He's all over social media. I am. I support that too. And that's another thing that you have so many hats and so let let's back up a little bit. I do want to talk about your career. A little as far as his as women are concerned as You've come up through your career. Have you seen any challenges in. Let's talk about from a female perspective. Has there been any challenges in your promotion to where you are as Throughout your absolutely that's a really good question Initially when i first started. Like i said you know you only know females innovation as a pilot or a flight attendant so for me. That was a challenge in itself. Because i never knew where where i fit like. Where do i truly belong So that was hard because it was hard to reach out to mentors in the aviation industry. That would help advance my career goals so i was constantly trying to find my way in honestly i found my way on my own with by conducting research pushing a lot harder so that was one of the things that i feel like you know if i have that support system things would probably have turned out differently but i'm happy with where i'm at my career but it would it probably made the process a little easier It is definitely male dominated industry. And although i see the shift now It's just a lot harder to get past. Certain preconceived notions of where female belongs in the industry. You're not really heard or seen or taken seriously so some of those challenges. I had to really overcome m just kind of subside makes me angry so we just like that air. Go and just push harder and stronger. And i think that's a an example and then industry where that happens but it's other industries too and so if you're somebody who's involved in say computer industry that's one of those investment. I mean this is a at. I feel. You're a great example. Your podcast is a great example to inspire other women. All different fields all different fields. This is just aviation. I mean there's so much out there but it's one thing we love. That's that's the cool thing and if you're somebody and you're a female you're listening or watching on you to make sure you go out there and and try and and listen to natalia and all the other people who've done this before you. I mean you definitely are standing on the shoulders of giants through these podcasts and through these interviews especially that you're doing that are out there so as far as being able to listen to this podcast that you have. Let's talk a little bit about that. If i think finished up with your career there. You're here. You're doing a great job. And i commend you for everything you've done in what you're doing moving forward because you are a good example but let's talk about how you can find you out of there on spotify it's on spotify. Yeah that's the main platform that i'm using. It's also an anchor. I'm trying to branch off until apple. But i'm still learning the podcast world so but right now mainly it is on spotify do Have a wordpress that i'm creating. So there's a wordpress where i'm going to evolve more blogs more stories There's going to be two or three co hosts that are gonna be involved in it. Traces one of them. Kelly is another and also Britney nielsen of grant nielsen airshows. So we're Dancer russia's spotify and we'll have the links by the way in the show notes here stuck my gaffe cast. You can find all that but you know you you've done so many different things and what's next book I think it's a. I just got to review real quickly. It's a children's book called the blue demons flying adventures. I think it's fairly recent that it's come out so tell us a little bit about the about that. I know you can find an amazon. We'll have links by the way to the book. Okay so the blue demon. Flying adventures is basically a book about patrick's plane dubbed. The blue demon. Going to just different airshows in going on all these ventures. I did incorporate a lot of stem in the book. So there's a lot of Math and science and writing. So you can kinda right out the words instead of your typical apple. It's propeller You know math. It incorporates different aspects of the airplanes suggests it was my way of learning more about the air show world aerobatic worlds there some maneuvers in there. I am corporated. Some arrests t- maneuvers Just the basics so that way children and myself Can understand the whole aerobatic side of the house so we started where i'm booked to. We're going to create books three. It's currently on amazon. If you're interested so it's an activity slash coloring book slash adventure book I created it with one of my friends. Who's an artist turned chicago. His name is liberal arts and he's heavily involved in children's after school programs as well so he and i just started bouncing off ideas back and forth. I'm so with his expertise in the mike questions in obviously patrick is a big component of it as well. So he's like signs up the okay. This makes sense yeah. I think it's amazing so it it's great. It's turned out to be. I think people absolutely love it. So i'm like i didn't think that would happen. Enter inge about for the book so the agents are between four to eleven Says the coloring book aspect of it but also has you know learning to read learning to right so four to eleven awesome. This is awesome having you here a couple of things before i let you go. I want to ask you first of all what's next. What's next firm italian. I mean and it's like what could be doing so much. But but i like to look at the appear in the future because you have a lot of runway running in life and like ashu. What's next so. I'm definitely going to learn to fly. That's on my bucket list. I'm waiting for my husband to get his Instructors isn't see a five to four right. i'm waiting for him to get bad So that's like on my tap. But i'm gonna wait a little bit longer to later. Santa feel comfortable. Obviously emmitt continue pursuing the blue demon ventures and continue writing that book Still promoting the aviation industry with the podcast. So i have a whole slew of guests lined up which i mentioned earlier I'm going to talk about was them. Minna talk about with Deysi so definitely going to continue pushing the women in aviation Side of the house. There's so much more. I can't even wrap my brain around what i have going on in my life. I'm like i'm in school. So it's it's it's a lie. But i'm excited about the future and where we are going to be as a team and not only that but myself. Yeah i'm i'm excited for you. Also i only word of advice. You shouldn't let your spouse teach you how to fly. It prevents a lot of a lot of arguments. If you don't do arguing i can imagine. Argument is what type of airplane we're get. I'm stuck on the cub. I'm like totally in love with the cub. Like i saw greg kuehn spy. And i'm like okay what i want or supercup either art so i think i think it's terrific that you've gotten into aviation as much you have you almost had to but you've taken a ball and you run with it and i think that's awesome that you've done all this and excited to see what's next if somebody's listening to females are listening right now type of advice you would you have for them whether pursuing a career or pursuing aviation as an adventure Moving forward in their lives would have to stay. Feel the fear do it anyways We're always afraid of doing something because we're afraid of failure where afraid of you know whatever fear you have so just accept that feel the fear and just do it anyway and there was a book on it to which i read them being a big advocate of reading books. But that's one thing you never know what you'll become if you you just don't try to just do it in. I hear that a lot. But now like i'm just going to do it. I'm just gonna learn to fly. I'm just gonna take this course or whatever it may be. I'm going to go after this job. Just just do it because the worst thing you could do not do it. I highly agree. The tie has been great having you here. I know you're between banks of flights and you're gonna have to get back to work. I've been watching the clock but you always earn inspiration to talk to at the air shows and here on the podcast We definitely would love to have you come back on again and love to see our co host on your show and victoria noodles talking about selling insurance and the challenges air aviation insurance so I think that'd be a great a great person to have on But the best place to find you find you on. Spotify wonder woman of aviation dot com or dot wordpress dot com again. We'll have links in the show notes to all of that and And i can't wait to hear some of the next episodes that that come out and all those discussions. They're in a tight. Thanks so much for being here. Thank you for having muses fun awesome. I appreciate that you know if you're listening right now listens in talia story. Do me a favor. Don't stop now when you hit that. Stop button just get out there and do something in aviation and get out there. 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NEW: Space: Space Ethics

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NEW: Space: Space Ethics

"Hi Listeners it's Kate first and foremost I'd like to take a moment to thank you for listening to podcast like you. We've had to make some major adjustments to adapt to these unprecedented times but with your loyalty and the podcast staff. We've been able to do so. We thank you for your patience and with that I am pleased to announce that there will be no more interruptions dear listening experience due to Cova Nineteen. We are bringing you all new episodes today and for the foreseeable future from all of us. Here at podcast. We hope that you and your families are safe and healthy. Thank you again for your patience. We hope you enjoy these new episodes this episode features discussions of animals involving testing cruelty and death that some people may find offensive listener discretion is advised on October twenty sixth nineteen seventy-three fifty four year old Ruth Bates Harris strode purposefully down the long hauls of NASA headquarters in Washington DC in nineteen seventy one Harris had been hired as necessary director of equal opportunity but as quickly as she received her title. Aris was demoted. The position she'd been promised was given to someone else. Mister Dudley McConnell. In one blow he had both replaced her and become her boss. Gracefully Harris refused to let the insult. Get in the way of her career for the next two years. She continued working for NASA under her alter job description. Deputy Assistant Administrator for Equal Opportunity. And she was still. Nasa's highest ranking black female official on a typical day Harris would be headed to the office of Mr McConnell her direct superior but that full day Harris walked straight past. Mcconnell's office perhaps the last time she ever saw it she had been summoned to meet with someone much higher in the chain of command. Nasa's administrator James e Fletcher and she knew why during her two years at NASA Harris had witnessed firsthand how the agency failed to uphold. Its Equal Employment Initiative. She attempted to affect the much needed changes and to bring the problems to the attention of her superiors but they had foiled her at every turn. So for the past month she'd been taking charge in meetings and registering complaints against the agency as she took a seat in Fletcher's Office Harris held her Chin High. She knew it was only a matter of time before they squash this orderly revolt. But the news stung just the same. In so many words Fletcher delivered a final verdict. You're fired this is the dark side of apar- cast original a show where we will delve into the seedy underbelly of pop culture icons and historical events. We aim to expose the ugly truth behind cultural moments in public figures. We hold most dear proving that there is always more to the story than meets the eye. I'm your host Richard and I'm kate this season we're covering the dark side of space while the quest put a man on the moon and explore the great beyond has always been a trophy on the shelves of US history. We're digging just a little deeper into what really happened to get there at Park S. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram? At podcast and twitter at park cast network. You can find all episodes of the dark side of and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream the dark side of her free on spotify. Just open the APP tap browse and type the dark side of in the search bar last week. We learned about Operation Paper Clip a secret program that employed former Nazi scientists and engineers in various space race projects for the US this week. We'll be digging deeper into the suspicious ethics behind space travel before man ever went into orbit. A host of other species were forced to make the dangerous and often fatal voyage and while America was championing. The famed Mercury seven astronauts NASA was sidelining a slew of qualified females and other non white candidates with the air force and NASA as the gatekeepers of space only white male astronauts were allowed to blaze the trail. You Room in his scintillating book about the Space Race titled the Right Stuff American author journalist. Tom Wolfe described the first. Us astronauts as seven patriotic god-fearing. Small Town Protestant family men with excellent backing on the Home Front. These of course with the mercury seven a homogeneous group of military men who blazed the trail into space even today they're regarded as heroes shining examples of American competency but looks can be deceiving and so can history. Few people know exactly why these men were considered to be so highly qualified to begin with even fewer are willing to acknowledge that their resumes weren't necessarily the strongest ones in the pile. But before we talk about brains let's begin with bravery while the journey to space is undoubtedly risky America's first astronauts weren't exactly launching into the unknown. In fact they were following in the small footprints of other species before a single human ever peaked. Above the Earth's atmosphere a number of animals tested the proverbial waters beginning in the late nineteen forties. Us rocket scientists were itching to understand the cellular changes that could take place in outer space. They specifically wanted to understand how biology would be affected by micro gravity a much weaker force than Earth's gravity and their ultimate concern. Of course was whether or not the human body could survive space travel as Julie Robinson. Nasr's chief scientist for the International Space Station. Says we were concerned that humans might suffocate on the contents of their own stomachs. If it all went floating up to understand the answer to this and other scientific questions America began sending non human astronauts into the ether the first of these voyages commenced on February twentieth. Nineteen forty seven when the. Us packed tiny fruit flies. Aboard a German v Two rocket courtesy of the defeated Nazi party that created the technology the missile launched into space reaching an altitude of about sixty eight miles before the flies were delivered safely back to Earth by the next year the US was already experimenting with sending mammals into space the first was Albert won a rhesus monkey that launched on June Eleventh Nineteen Forty Eight. He had been talked into a sleeping bag like uniform with only his arms free and then placed into a capsule the size of a small coffin. Despite these inhumane conditions Albert one was expected or rather hope to survive the journey and return to Earth but his V. Two rocket failed before it reached peak altitude causing his unfortunate debt. Albert's legacy was repeated. By three more primates creatively named Albert. Two three and four. Unfortunately they each experienced some sort of failure from rocket difficulties to malfunctioning parachutes. None of them survived. The issue clearly wasn't so much whether a living being could survive in space as whether they could even make it there safely to begin with the. Us wasn't the only nation carrying out dangerous tests with unwitting species in the nineteen fifties. The Soviets launched a total of twelve dogs into outer space with varying results. The most famous of these dogs and perhaps the most popular animal astronaut of all time was Leica in one thousand nine hundred fifty seven the Soviet space program nabbed this unassuming Husky spits Mutt off the streets. They dubbed her. Could we have meaning little curly in Russian but following a public appearance during which she barked? Could she have? His name was changed to like a which literally translates to Barker Adul- moniker. Considering the adventure that Soviets had planned for her on November third nineteen fifty seven Leica was strapped into the Sputnik. Two satellite rocketed into space. What lay ahead seemed to indicate a slow suicide mission? Even if like did survive the journey into space within a week the tiny capsule would lose oxygen. She would suffocate but her death came even sooner than that declassified. Russian records now showed that the flight was terrifying for Leica her heart rate tripled and her breathing quadruple during the first phase of the voyage eventually she reached orbit circling Earth in a mere one hundred and three minutes and becoming the first living being to ever do so but then sputnik two lost its heat shield subsequently like passed away from overheating likely combined with stress. Soviet rocket scientists continued to prey on stray dogs as their involuntary astronauts. They believe these were better prepared to endure low temperatures if they could handle the freezing streets of Russia surely they could deal with outerspace. Their science wasn't entirely wrong. Several of these pups were live on to become international superheroes in one thousand nine hundred sixty two female dogs named Stroka and Belka traveled on the sputnik five satellite along with a gray rabbit. Forty mice two rats and fifteen flasks of fruit flies and fauna. They were the first animals to return from orbit alive and later when Stroka birth the litter of puppies Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev presented one to president. John F Kennedy. A taciturn gesture of kindness emits the space race madness the. Us Wasn't finished with its animal. Experiments either five months later on January thirty first nineteen sixty one. America launched a mercury capsule containing a chimpanzee named Ham and roughly ten months later on November. Fourth another chimpanzee named E-e-e-e-no took flight both primates were packed into capsules barely bigger than their Albert predecessors but they returned safely to her their voyages soon paved the way for mercury astronaut. John Glenn to become the first American in orbit on February Twentieth Nineteen Sixty two. And lest you think sending non humans into orbit was distinct to the space race era thing again even after the nineteen sixty nine moon landing. A host of other so-called biological payloads or living cargo were launched into space carrying species such as rabbits turtles. Insects fish AMOEBA and algae from one thousand nine hundred sixty six to nine thousand nine hundred ninety six. Russia launched a series of eleven satellites as part of its beyond mission in partnership with a host of other countries including the United States. Each of these satellites carried a biological payload into space and back. The program though came to a rolling stop following the beyond eleven voyage in Nineteen ninety-six to monkeys named Lopez and Moultik were included on the mission and they safely returned to Earth however multip- passed away from an anesthesia induced heart attack during routine medical tests. Multidex death caused a ripple of protests condemning. The beyond Michigan's for their use of animal tests objects in the ethical backlash NASA. Dropped out of the upcoming beyond twelve voyage and Russia closed its program indefinitely it did not resume until nearly twenty years later in April. Two thousand thirteen when a Russian spacecraft sent a payload of forty five mice. Eight gerbils and fifteen newt's into orbit while the Newt's did fine less than half of the mice and none of the gerbils survived. Their deaths. Were blamed on equipment. Failure and quote the stresses of space despite these troublesome facts or rather because of them an inconvenient truth remains if not for animal astronauts mankind would have never glimpsed the viability of life in space and in the case of the space race had these creatures not involuntarily been put into orbit neither the US nor Russia would have had the courage to send a manned spacecraft which presents the next problem with the Space Race. The idea of a manned voyage and specifically those deemed man enough for such journey as for those considered worthy candidates of very clear pattern emerged must have included a military background being a man and implicitly being white an extremely narrow demographic coming up NASA squashes a program that could have put a woman into space now back to the story with the launch of Sputnik one on October fourth nineteen fifty seven the space race between the US and Russia was officially afoot and when Sputnik two launched a month later carrying like of the dog both sides eagerly imagined a time quite soon when humans could safely voyage into orbit but Russia was already two steps ahead and the US felt the need to act decisively in a high stakes race. A coach often select their most qualified runner. It doesn't matter where they come from or what they look like simply that they're the best person for the job right wrong at least when it came to the space race look no further than a simple photo of the mercury seven crew to understand the most important criteria. Each was a Caucasian male. Not a coincidence in nineteen fifty nine with spaceflight looming on the horizon and no one with the astronaut experience to match the two year old NASA agency turned to the US military. They requested a list of active duty test pilots who met their specific qualifications. They had to be under forty years old less than five feet and eleven inches tall and in excellent physical condition. The ideal candidate was also expected to possess a bachelor's degree or engineering training have graduated test pilot school qualified as a jet pilot and logged at least fifteen hundred hours of flying time and implicitly. They had to be male. The Air Force only hired men to begin with but apparently it was a critical point to reiterate in doing so NASA spurned whole demographic that was eager to take to the skies and they may have made even better astronauts than the mercury seven. These were the female pilots of world. War Two during the war and in line with social norms of the time the US barred women from participating in combat however as World War Two reached. Its third year. Nineteen forty two. A severe shortage of Air Force pilots caused renowned female aviator Jackie Cochran to found the women. Airforce Service pilots or WASPS. The WASPS were sent to free up. Mail air pilots from noncombat of tasks such as performing test flights and ferrying planes. It was a dangerous career and of the eleven hundred wasp members. Thirty eight died in accidents. Eleven during training and twenty seven others were killed while flying active duty missions. Despite this wasps were not considered military members should anything happen to them in service? Their families weren't even allowed to drape a flag over the coffin or hang a service flag in their window honors for only bona fide military personnel then to further twist the knife in June nineteen forty four the House of Representatives narrowly vetoed a bill aimed at granting military status to wasps subsequently the House Committee on Civil services hedged federal funding in the fallout. The WASP program dissolved following the war. Many of these women continued to fly. Jackie Cochran became the first woman to break the sound barrier on May Eighteenth Nineteen fifty three and as project mercury heated up soon after in nineteen fifty nine. It was only a matter of time before these women became a part of the space conversation. This was largely due to the efforts of a physician named Dr William Randolph. Lovelace in Nineteen fifty-nine. Dr lovelace designed the physical aptitude tests for the mercury thirteen program. A series of medical and physiological tests designed to show how well a candidate could survive in space and their psychological response to its stressors following the selection of the mercury seven in Nineteen fifty-nine testing continued for future astronaut candidates. Meanwhile Dr lovelace began mulling over an idea and he soon discovered that General Donald flicking juror of the. Us Air Force shared the same thought. Why not try the tests on fee now pilots? The question was purely practical. Women were generally lighter and used up less food and oxygen than men all advantages in space travel and lovelace had a hunch that the female disposition might be better suited to handling the stress and isolation inherent to spaceflight by September of Nineteen fifty nine general flick injure had taken the project under his wing naming it program wise or women in space earliest to add to the excitement. He and Dr Lovelace had honed in on their perfect candidate. Twenty eight year old former wasp. Geraldine or Jerry Cobb. As a nineteen year old was Jerry. Cobb had been tasked with teaching male pilots how to fly and by age twenty one. She was delivering military fighter. Jets and huge four engine bombers overseas a dangerous voyage for anyone by the time flicking jer and lovelace approached her in one thousand. Nine hundred ninety nine Cobb was already an internationally decorated competitive flyer. She also had established her career as a pilot and manager at Aero Design and engineering. Company unimpressive title for a Young Woman in the late fifties Cobb readily agreed to be the test subject for Program Wise. It was the culmination of everything she'd ever dreamed of and worked towards to boot. Wise was timely project considering that Moscow had just leaked plans to put their first woman in Space. But before it could even begin. Wise was shut down. The Air Force had already performed a few of the mercury tests another female aviator and in Nineteen fifty-nine. A magazine called look had partnered with NASA to run adapted mercury tests on yet another female pilot. This latter sample was purely a publicity stunt and neither of the women had been conclusively tested but this hardly mattered to the American public there ensuing fascination with female astronauts wasn't so much one of pride and excitement as it was amusement and skepticism even mistrust. Could a woman really take on so much responsibility given all that was at stake in the space race and the Cold War and was that even their proper role? Better leave it to the men. This sexist sentiment was backed up by the popularity of the Mercury Seven. America was infatuated with these middle. America would be heroes. Neither the air force nor NASA wanted to risk this infatuation by introducing female candidates especially when they themselves didn't believe women would make the best astronauts to begin with and so the air force swooped in to contain the narrative which meant pulling the plug on program. Wise flick injure himself bluntly summarized the situation in a letter to Jerry Cobb. He said the consensus of opinion was that there was too little to learn of value to air force medical interests and too big a chance of adverse publicity to warrant continuation of the project in essence. The Air Force and NASA. Were too afraid to nudge. The status quo and to unwilling to learn the truth. Less than two months after it began program wise was canceled but Dr Lovelace was determined to continue his research in February nineteen sixty. He guided COBB through the same physical tests as the mercury seven astronauts. She passed with flying colors. Both COBB DR. Lovelace were elated. He was determined to solidify. His research. Were females overall predisposed to do better in space or was Jerry Cobb just a rare specimen by early nineteen sixty? Dr Lovelace and Cobb were scrutinizing a list of over seven hundred qualified female pilots which they finally whittled down to nineteen. These included notable women such as thirty-seven-year-old Gene Hicks in the second woman to break the sound barrier after Jackie Cochran and thirty eight year old Jane Heart the wife of Michigan Senator and a mother of eight many of these women had worked as flight instructors and on average they possess thousands more hours of experience than their mercury seven counterparts whereas astronaut. John Glenn had racked up five thousand one hundred hours of flying at the top of his group. Jerry COBB had ten thousand hours. I'm like the mercury seven men. The women were not tested as a group making their exams arguably even harder without moral support instead. They travelled individually to lovelace his own clinic in New Mexico to undergo phase one of the Mercury tests a grueling physical exam. This included everything from full gynecological exam to swallowing a rubber hose to bicycling in place for hours on end. The participants even had freezing. Water shot into their eardrums to induce vertigo particularly painful and nauseating experiment but in the end thirteen of the nineteen women past clearly biology was not holding them back but the social norms of the sixties would following as one. Several of the women had to pause their tests in order to tend to their families unsympathetic careers. Meanwhile Jerry Cobb twenty two year old wally funk and thirty eight year old rea- Hurley traveled to Oklahoma City for phase two which included psychological exams. They as the phase two tests. Wally funk even set a record for spending the longest amount of time in a sensory deprivation tank whereas the mercury male pilots had only been able to stand a few hours funk had endured ten so far the women were just as physically capable and even more psychologically capable than any of the men. Dr Lovelace had helped to test in spite of the inherent sexism in the air force and NASA lovelace and Cobb were beginning to believe they had a fighting chance. The proof was in the pudding. Jerry COBB was ready to seal her aptitude. She independently completed phase three testing the flight. Boertien her results officially ranked her in the top. Two percent of all men and women who had tested under lovelace program excited twelve of the other women prepared to undergo phase three. Dr Lovelace had used his connections to secure the use of the Naval School of Aviation Medicine in Pensacola Florida. Cobb and the twelve other women prepared to attend with one participant. Twenty three year old Jan. Nora stumbled Jessen even quitting her job. Alas all these efforts were in vain word leaked Canessa who swiftly denied any involvement in the program on September Twelfth Nineteen Sixty one five days before the scheduled tests NASA cancelled the use of the naval grounds. The women were heartbroken and furious. Jerry COBB for one had already proven that. She was a highly qualified candidate for the Mercury Program. She was not about to let her efforts. Come to nothing this easily. In February of nineteen sixty two John Glenn became the second man and the first American to orbit the moon meanwhile cob and Jane heart another female participant took their qualms to Washington DC. They protested on behalf of the mercury thirteen. Or what they called at the time. The flats first lady astronaut trainees but their case was ill faded from the start on March fifteenth. Nineteen sixty two. They met with Vice President Lyndon B Johnson. A space race proponent capable of pulling major strings with the air force and NASA. Lbj was sympathetic but ultimately unhelpful. His real opinions emerged later in typewritten. Letter from May one thousand nine hundred sixty two in it Johnson vaguely purported to be open to the idea of females in space however at the bottom scrawled in pen he wrote. Let's stop this now by July. Nineteen sixty two. Cobb and heart had caused enough ruckus with NASA that. Their case was brought before a House subcommittee there they petition NASA to include females in their astronaut training program to do so NASA would be required to repeal their stipulation that all project mercury candidates have a military background a catch twenty two considering that women had been petitioning for military recognition ever since. World War Two but NASA was prepared to rely on their stipulations as though they were unchangeable in her opening statement. Heart stated it's inconceivable to me that the world of outer space should be restricted to men only like some sort of stag club unfortunately though she was addressing both the House and the press were just that men of the media peppered heart with questions about how she could maintain her family while also being an astronaut in response to Cobb's opening statement about the participation of women in the making of history representative Victor and said the whole purpose of space exploration is to someday colonize these other planets and. I don't see how we can do that without women. It was a sexist and dismissive joke and the sentiment was echoed by America's greatest at the time space celebrity. John Glenn on Day two of the hearings NASA brought in their big guns John Glenn and Scott Carpenter both mercury seven astronauts. His testimony. Glenn said the men go off and fight the wars and fly the airplanes and come back and help design and build and test them the fact that women are not in this field is a fact of our social order in so many words he outlined the gender bias at the heart of NASA and the Air Force and just like that day. Three of the hearings was cancelled. The case was thrown out up next NASA sidelines. Up perfectly good candidate now back to the story in nineteen sixty two thirty one year old. Jerry Cobb stood before a House subcommittee requesting it overturn Nasr's requirement that future astronauts. Be Men dictated by the agencies mandatory military status ultimately. The committee voted with NASA. It was not required to overturn its military qualifications. Thus women remained barred from project mercury one year later on June sixteenth nineteen sixty three twenty six year old Soviet. Cosmonaut Valentina Tereshkova became the first woman in Space America had received warning that this would happen and considering they had already sent astronaut John Glenn into space a year before they would have been capable of pulling off this milestone themselves but there was no sigh of regret from NASA. This had simply been a gold. They were not interested. In pursuing the so-called civilian agency was a staunch boys club and they were determined to keep it that way. It wasn't a secret that some of the men hadn't tested into the mercury seven ranks on qualifications but connections John Glenn did not meet the Mercury requirement to have a college degree yet. He passed through the ranks of the program without one becoming the first American in space. Meanwhile a diverse range of candidates were sidelined in favor of the white mercury seven boys. This was largely due to a criteria from president. Dwight D Eisenhower. That all mercury candidates should possess a military test pilot background an inherently sexist and racist benchmark considering that women and minorities had been barred from this military. Roll up to this point But the nineteen sixties brought the winds of change when JFK stepped into office in January of nineteen sixty one. He was ready to make dramatic leaps in the space race initiative and to champion the concurrent civil rights initiative. Let's not credit. Jfk with all the brilliant ideas though this one came from journalist Edward R Murrow who had witnessed firsthand the international popularity of Eureka. Garen the first man ever in space murrow floated that the. Us should be the first to put a person of color into orbit he reasoned. It would send a message about America's superior democracy despite the fact that much about America remained inherently racist. This was still the early sixties and Jim Crow segregation laws were alive and well in the summer of nineteen sixty two while Jerry. Cobb was fighting for women in space. Moreau's idea was passed along to Vice President Lyndon B Johnson. Johnson's aide. George Reedy investigated the possibility and he came back with a cringe-worthy report ultimately approved of the idea but remarked that the administration should quote dispose of the concept that NASA can just reach out and grab a black man and make an astronaut candidate out him nonetheless. The White House tentatively moved forward with putting the first black man in space as part of their cultural grandstanding but their efforts were half-hearted from the start to begin with. They didn't choose a handful of qualified candidates. Considering that the mercury seven men had been narrowed down from an initial cool of five hundred and three candidates. It would've made sense for at least a hundred worthy names to be submitted for the new initiative instead just one man was selected twenty nine year old. Ed White Dwight Elated. Flying had been his passion since he was a young boy and to become an astronaut. Seemed like a fairytale for a black man in the early sixties. Consequently his appointment stirred intense media. Buzz and the excitement of America's black communities. Everyone could see that. Dwight was nothing short of perfect. An airforce servicemen with a COM laude degree in `aeronautics and the performance ratings and flight times to boot was a hopeful initiative but again had traces of impending doom would later say. I knew there was going to be a racial component to that obstacle. But I didn't know it was going to be as sophisticated and is determined as it was. Dwight maintains that from day one people in the program were looking to see him fail specifically the commandant of the Mercury Astronaut Training School Air Force. General Chuck Yeager in Your Own. Nineteen eighty-five Memoir. He admitted to having little tolerance for White House interference. In what was an air force initiative at that time still dwight past phase one of mercury testing with flying colors but this was as far as he would get he later recalled classmate telling him about a secret meeting between yeager and the other instructors at the school supposedly yeager said we can get him out of here in six months we can break him regardless of what specifically prompted him. Dwight did indeed drop out before he could complete the rest of his testing poignantly. Neither the air force nor the White House made any efforts to replace him. In spite of this dubious tale. The space race didn't hesitate to rely on minorities in other ways especially behind the scenes. Take the black female mathematicians who played a crucial role in the space race missions? Women like Kathryn Johnson were pivotal to such advances as the first American man in space. John Glenn himself requested that Johnson. Double check the calculations on his nineteen sixty two Michigan. Johnson's nimble computing would see a long career. Her math sink the Apollo eleven command module with the Lunar Lander in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine and in one thousand nine hundred seventy Johnson's backup. Procedures proved crucial to the return of the Apollo Thirteen mission after it malfunctioned. She was invaluable at NASA and in being both a woman and a person of color. She was one of the few employees who manage to foil the institutional racism and sexism of the agency but another woman would soon challenge this standard in Nineteen seventy-one many of NASA's NHS were entrenched in the apartheid. South as such. It's employment numbers reflected their failure to improve hiring practices along this steadily progressing civil rights era with a mere five point six percent of minority employees and an eight percent of female employees NASA employed. The least of both demographics out of any government agency at the time but now was dragging its feet and the depth of this problem became clear in the fall of nineteen seventy one. The agency had recently hired fifty nine year old Ruth Bates Harris to fill a new role as director of equal opportunity but within a week of her appointment she was demoted. The position was given to a man who became her boss and her title was changed. Deputy Assistant Administrator. Still Harris continue doggedly in her role in the words of historian. Kim mcquaid NASA expected Harris to be a patient schoolteacher. Not One to ruffle feathers. But Harris was on a mission for reform for one she paid a visit to the office of Verner von Braun a former Nazi scientists who had become America's most beloved rocket Builder Harris Demanded. To know whether he had been involved in the use of slave labor to build German rockets. She would later say that. The silence was deafening and awesome. This was just one anecdote in Harris's quest for justice but she was met with frustration at every corner. Her superiors refused to pursue on bronze past or any other civil malady infecting NASA and so in September of Nineteen seventy-three Harris and her colleagues compiled a forty page report. That explicitly said Nastase. Equal Opportunity Program is a near total failure. Among later she was fired her dismissal made national headlines it riled both civil rights groups and members of Congress by August nineteen seventy-four NASA conceded to rehiring Harris Sealing. Up The internal records on her case but the damage was done. The battle had exhausted every ounce of Harris's professional and personal strength in nineteen seventy six. She suffered a divorce and a nervous breakdown leading to her separation from NASA even after she returned to Washington in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight she had no interest in meddling with the agency however Harris had fought well on a worthy battlefield in the same year that she returned to civil service the agency graduated its first class of astronauts this class of nineteen seventy eight dubbed the thirty five new guys included females African Americans and Asian Americans among these were John S. Blue furred the first. African American in space and Sally ride the first. Us female in space so finally fifteen years after the Soviets put a woman in space. America agreed to let a female have a fighting chance and by the time sally ride took her first voyage on the Challenger it had been twenty years and while NASA had it lasts taken steps to lay aside sexism. The American public had not throughout her career at NASA. Ride faced ridiculous from the media. One reporter asked her whether or not she was going to cry if they hit a malfunction and another asked will the flight affect your reproductive organs despite these obstacles women and other minority groups pushed aside the mindless public chatter and persevered to make their own mark on space yet. In many ways they remain hidden behind the looming shadow of the space race regardless of their willingness to participate they were purposefully kept out of the narrative and that will forever be a blot on. America's history the ethical standards behind the space race were nefarious to say the least yet. There are other very physical and mental dangers lurking in the shadows. Join US next week as we examine the health hazards for those who traveled into the galaxy. You can find more episodes of the dark side of for free on not only to spotify already. 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E014 - Jessica Garcia, SWA First Officer

Behind the Prop

34:29 min | 9 months ago

E014 - Jessica Garcia, SWA First Officer

"Uh-huh clear prop over two way traffic. Primo model collared problem runway. Five going off on this is behind the prop with united flight systems. Owner and licensed pilot us. And it's co host major airline captain designated pilot examiner. Wally mulhearn. now let's go behind the prop. What's up walling. Hey bobby how are you. I'm great this is our third guest and we are excited to have her on the show today with us as a pass flight instructor from united flight systems current southwest airlines first officer and someone with a very interesting aviation story that we're gonna talk about today today. We have on the show jessica garcia. Thanks for joining us. Thank you for having me. And i know We're gonna talk a lot about today but you also have to be married to a pilot as well an my wonderful husband. Ricky who also instructed here structure. And i heard good news for ricky recently. Is that true. He got hired at commuter airlines Friday very excited and so he was an express jet in lives in houston listened to show. They probably have heard about all the things that happened. Express jet so it's great to hear that ricky's back in the in the in the cockpit. Doing great things for aviation excited. I'm i'm pumped for him. He's ready to get back in the airplane so we have a lot to talk about today but as the current owner of united flight systems. It's a it's a great time when a previous flight search comes back and shares with me stories and things from the past. You've obviously spent many an hour behind a prop as an airplane owners still today. You spend a lot of time on the probe had any idea. How many hours do will you gave here at this. Oh it's gotta be at least twelve hundred I remember one day sitting down with my logbook in between students. And i recognized that my total dual received in total dual given was equal spicer past that milestone here and then i think i want to say about twelve hundred dollars instructing here nice and that that was that in the day where you could just get the fifteen hundred right to the airline sort of. I was in the weird transition area where the atp was being required by the by the regional airlines to get hired. But it what you didn't have to do the atp p. course so i ended up being able to do my atp on my own without having to the course but you still have to have the fifteen hundred hours so kind of an awkward phase. I think i got my atp in june and the the law passed in august. For the so. I guess for our listeners. We've we've obviously prepped and talked a little bit. Tell us a little bit about your aviation career where he went to college. How you found this place and then did you go right to the airlines are or what will happen there. So i started flying recreationally in abilene texas. Where i'm from Just doing it for fun. I grew up flying with my dad in the right seat of various aircraft wanting bananas barons and the end of my freshman year of college. He said okay. You can go to summer school. You can get a job or you can get your pilot's license and so i opted to go get my pilot's license obviously and had an a wonderful instructor. Who is now one. She is my best friend. We are incredibly close. She flies for fedex and she she said you know. You're kind of good at this. Have you considered doing it as a career and up until that point i hadn't been exposed to the opportunities in careers in aviation so took me to my first women in aviation conference and it was like being around thousands of my taipei. Best friends And they all took me by the hand. I was nineteen years old. And said we're going to show you what it means to be a professional pilot and i decided right then and there that was going to be my career up until then i was studying marketing And liked it but didn't love it so went back to abilene finished my instrument rating then i transferred to louisiana tech university where i finished my commercial. Cfi of mea. I instructed for the school for a few months loved being attack. I'm very proud Louisiana tech bulldog and but it wasn't building flight time quite quick enough and so a friend of mine called me and said there's a flight school in houston. I think you'd be a great fit at work. Consider interviewing so. I called united flight systems. Talk to the previous owner. Bob watts and his daughter laura and they brought us in for an interview me and my husband. I secretly brought my husband along with me to interview as well. And we they us right then and there and so within a month. I moved houston and begin. Instructing here instructed for. I guess it would have been about two and a half years and then had one of my workers official instructor. Here come into my office and say would you like to fly corporate. And i'd always been really interested in corporate aviation i. I grew up around general aviation being there in abilene. We had a little bit of a regional airline flying but not a lot So i had more exposure to corporate. And i said sure didn't know what the airplane was had. Never heard of. It was a cessna. Conquest twin engine turboprop and met with the the woman who was flying that airplane and we went and just had dinner and and chit chatted and she said. I think you'd be a great fit. Would you come fly with me. So that was my introduction to part one thirty five Flew for them for a couple of years loved it. That was a flu for a family. There's still a dear dear and special in my life The woman i flew with is still very dear to me. We get together as often as we can into pilots And so that kind of started me on a different trajectory was like i said the fifteen hundred hours was required at the time. Ricky got to his fifteen hundred faster than i did. We were newly married and the regional airline pay was such that we both couldn't necessarily go to the regional airlines and pay our bills so corporate gave me a little bit of a chance to do what i wanted to do. But also make a little bit more money and so he continued on with express and i went the path of corporate Flu everything from hawker. Four thousand two barons to conquest -tations ended up my last job. I flew clear. Seventy five which is still one of my favorite airplanes to this day and loved corporate but knew i needed some stability and you needed some balance in my life in terms of we were wanting to have a family in the schedule was just getting to be a little bit much for me and so i just threw my application at south west and very quickly very fortunately got an interview and have been there for just over a year and a half now. Wow and so that's pre pandemic and may are you flying very much right now or is it a little bit less than it was early less than it was early on. You know when i started i was flying. I was based in oakland. And i was fairly junior but was still flying a lot got based in houston february of this year about what has happened to this year and even know what day it is And when i got when i got based here in. I went on reserve and didn't fly very much. Particularly once march came around. We know it all happened there so not flying as much here lately so you brought up the women in aviation while you have a couple of daughters that are aviators in some form or another. They assume they're members of women of aviation here in houston. Yeah yeah and they They enjoy going to the the national conferences and My oldest daughter especially my youngest daughter is Got one month left in college. Up in monroe louisiana university louisiana monroe who were supposed to play louisiana tech and footba had our tickets but Thanks to this. covert thing. we're not going to do that anyway. that's a that's a different show idea but yeah so hopefully my. My younger daughter will get involved in as well and we miss the. But you're actually now. The president of the local chapter of the women for women aviation houston co-president shirt candy wyndham. Who is fabulous nice and so Before we jump. Nl thing let's talk a little bit about women aviation. I've been aware of the group since i took over the flight school. I think we met briefly early on and talks. And i've tried to open our doors and make it a classroom things available but honestly i don't really know what the goals other than introducing women to aviation are tell the listeners. A little bit about women in aviation and if they are so inclined what could they do to participate or actually get involved so one of my favorite subjects. I'm so passionate about women. In aviation i attribute so many milestones in my career to that organization The the goal of women aviation is to further aviation career is not just for women but for minutes well but to further for women in aviation in all aspects doesn't matter if you're a pilot and air traffic controller management we have engineers we have f. b. o. Operators owners it. It's every aspect that you can think of that Aviation touches and the goal is just to network to provide resources to provide scholarships to ride community For women in the aviation industry so here on the local houston we have about two hundred people that are involved about th at any given time. We have forty to fifty that are active. We do quarterly meetings. And it gives us a chance to talk about what events we want to host in the houston area would events. We want to be a part of that already taking place wings over houston or any other type of of fundraising event. We do provide scholarships in the local level as well as the international level. They have given out when i say millions. I mean millions and millions of dollars of scholarships And so it's a chance for on the local houston level for us to get to know our our local group and network just this last meeting. We had one of our members. Say hey i know of a couple of jobs that are available. Who can i talk to. That may be interested in them. Another one works for a app company here locally and she said i may be able to help people find jobs so it's beyond just the international organization on the local level. It's it's all about community and it's a chance for us to know each other you know we're kind of small but mighty group. I don't know the exact statistics for other demographics at aviation but for female pilots. It's only about six percent and so we're trying to raise that number be it through good networking through Encouraging young girls to to pursue careers in aviation. It's a chance for us to reach them directly for me. When i first aviation i don't i don't it's to me. It's weird. didn't know how to even get started right. Most would assume we've all kind of been around this for a while the you would go to a flight school and start start flying. I mean that makes sense to me. But i can remember. There was this level of anxiety of not wanting to even come in here. I had a friend who said go meet. Bobby united flight systems. He'll help you. And i probably drove past the entrance here multiple times because there was this level of anxiety. What am i going to go in. And ask about. Like and i remember walking in saying i'd like to learn how to fly and there was somebody who said well you came in the right place and i already felt like i was defeated a little bit like i know. But that's not how i wanted you to talk so what kind of people should come to your events. I guess building up too. I bet there's a lot of people out there that maybe listens. Podcast say. well i want. I'd like to go to women in aviation input. I don't wanna be the odd woman out. I don't want to be someone who doesn't know what to talk about. I'm really glad you brought that up because we had several this last meeting that we just hosted. I would say more than half of our people that came to. the meeting. were new members. That had never been before and taking that first step is really difficult. No matter what you're stepping into the flight school or the chapter of an organization it's intimidating and. I am the first to admit that. Even for me now having experienced so many things that i have in the industry it's still scary to walk to somebody new and introduce myself someone who's never even taken a listen. It's gonna come right you a first officer southwest like that's unfathomable to someone who has never flown a plane before well. Fortunately i'm not sitting there in my uniform so hopefully i don't look to intimidate and i don't think i'll look at dating and my uniform anyway. So but no. It's it's it's hard. But i can't encourage anybody more to say just do it. Just don't be afraid. Just walk in and say hello. We had one woman bless her heart. She was all the way down on the south side of town. She had an appointment. She wasn't able to make the meeting but she drove up here just to say hi. After the meeting was over we were all standing around talking and it was awesome that she had the courage which i get it. Not everybody feels comfortable doing that but just do it. She had the courage to come up. And say i just wanted to come meet you and say hi and see what this is all about So but if you're too nervous to come to a meeting come up to us at one or the other events that were at. We are at events all the time. All around town through Lone star college system. We've done lots of the recruiting events. Different airlines we always try to have a table set up wherever we are. Come say hi come grab as come. Say i'm so and so i'm a little bit interested in organization but i don't even know where to start Find a friendly face or bring a friend even if somebody who's not in aviation bring a friend because we are excited to meet everybody and it gives that if that's a little bit of a security blanket for you than than come do it but it's it's worth it that the biggest thing i want to express is that it is so worth it no matter if you're getting involved in women in aviation our ea or young eagles or any of the other organizations it's worth it to get plugged in and get build your own community and build your tribe as you're starting your aviation journey because it's it's a little bit lonely when you're getting started it's you and maybe your instructor and if you're at a big flight school then you may have a more connection more action but it can be really really lonely especially if you don't have a friend or a spouse or somebody that flies. Well so just do it. Bobby you bring up a an excellent point. You're talking about walking into a flight school and It's almost as if we're going off script a little bit but as an examiner. I get to sit in the corner a lot at flight. Schools and i watched people walk in the front door and i i cringe at some of the things i i hear being told to these potential customers because i think most people that that work the front desk of the schools most the time we we refer to them as dispatchers. They're they're very skilled in how to how to give the keys to the cessna. One seventy two a new student and and maybe Look at the wind and see if they're ok to go fly this airplane solo and that kind of stuff. But i don't think a lot of the dispatchers are trained very well in Salesmanship and i don't mean that in a negative way but People people that just the fact that they're walking in the door says there they got an interest so I think. I think our flight schools could do a better job in promoting aviation and and selling the idea to to people no doubt and just getting them excited. I think We had devon miller on the show. Recently we miller all time a guy who walked in and said i wanna fly. Who's spent a small fortune here. Bought three planes. We've been partners on lease backs and if he would have been not soul to or been mismanaged in any way he. What would how many devon miller effects are. we don't know about remember that were bad and that just makes me vomit a little bit. I get nervous to think how many times we lose a great customer like devon Because of that and i would think an organization like yours. You feel the same way. You don't wanna miss out on the opportunity to introduce a woman to aviation You mentioned membership is their membership that they have to join before they come to an event how do they find events. How would you suggest a woman or man that wants to help women in aviation how would they get involved to join women in aviation international w. a. dot org women in aviation international dot org and membership. It's around forty five dollars for a full membership. They have since student memberships discounted as well. And i encourage everybody to be sure you join the international organization it will pay out in dividends You have access. To all the scholarships you have access to conference. You have access to send you a magazine that is filled with inspirational articles and good information on the local level. You can visit w. a. i. Houston dot org and that website has information about our upcoming meetings events that we may be a part of how to apply. But i encourage anybody who's lightly interested. Don't join just yet come meet us. Come sit through a meeting. Come introduce yourself and then if you say yep this is my tribe. This is where i wanna be which we hope you are then. We'll talk about membership. It's twenty dollars for full membership ten dollars per student membership. Also don't let that deter you if that's something that you can't pocket right now come talk to me Alley their pay your membership or i'll waive the fee. I want you to be involved. I want you to find your tribe in with us. So i really encourage anybody that's interested or you can email me email me get in contact with me. Let's talk about it. We also have a facebook group women in aviation houston chapter. There's a couple of questions on there. That's just to be sure that art group is nice insecure for everybody for everybody's safety Feel free to join there as well to get information about upcoming meetings awesome. So you've been involved in the group for a long longtime. Obviously what What you find most valuable about the women aviation group my people. It's i love to fly. I love airplanes. I love airports but aviation to me is all about people and it's all about the interactions that i get to have. I have met some of the most outstanding people through women in aviation my best friends in the houston area are through by women in aviation chapter. And that's not just a coincidence. You know you get a lot of like minded individuals in one place. You're going to bond. A lot of us are around the same age but there are a lot of us that are not around the same age. I've got friends that are twenty. I've got friends that are sixty and older that are involved in the chapter so for me. The value is that. But i would be remiss if i didn't mention the scholarships I've been fortunate to be. A recipient of several of the scholarships through the organization. And i can one hundred percent without any doubt in my mind. Stay the i. Oh my job today to a women in aviation scholarship I've received type ratings through them. I've received financial aid through them and then was was fortunate to meet the right people through. Southwest through him in aviation scholarships as well. Well that's big. You also told me before. We started recording that the annual conferences were a big deal to you. What tell me a little bit about the annual conference. I love the annual conference. It's typically in march every year. It rotates location. They're running out of places that we fit because it's gotten so big every year This year upcoming is going to be in rideau nevada. Love the reno conference. It's so much fun and it's a chance for we have seminars. We have guest speakers we have. There's there's booth with all of the players in the industry and some of the minor ones That said booze and areas that you can walk around and introduce yourself and meet people probably the neatest thing though is some of the guest speakers in some of the seminars that you can go to I went to one. That was all about imposter syndrome and how to overcome that. I've been to wasp seminars. Where the women airforce service pilots who were the first air force pilots. The first female airforce pilots allowed into the military to fly They've all gotten up to speak. And you wanna talk about inspirational and motivational. You hear their story. That's all you need to say. okay. I'm ready ready. Let's go fly We've had engineers from nasa. There was one year several years ago that this woman was talking about one of the mars rover. She was one of the lead engineers on the mars rover. There was not a dry eye in the audience. Now how this woman could make some an inanimate object so lifelike and so meaningful to an audience and it wasn't just women who were crying so let's not play. That was the emotional car. Everybody was tearing up And it was coincidental that the rover was landing. Two days later i guarantee every single person that was sitting in that room watched that mars rover landing. It meant so much to us So just exposure to things that you wouldn't be exposed to otherwise that's how i got my exposure to corporate aviation. I met a woman who owned a an f. b. o. And a fleet of aircraft. I said that sounds like fun. That sounds like something that i would like to do. And it's also a chance we sit. We kick kickoff our shoes. We go have a drink at the end of the day and and sit down and meet people that we wouldn't have met otherwise so especially aviation you can be so disconnected because you're based in different places. You live in different cities. It's a chance for us all to come together and and reconnect and connect make new connections and new networks awesome. So if you're listening go go go learn more about women aviation come to an event me jessica gets an adjusted guy gets another whole the whole group and as she said. Find your tribe for sure in the women in aviation so the the one unique thing. We've talked a lot about it There's something unique about your aviation career that not all of us. Get to participate in. Tell us a little bit So i don't spoil it. I guess tell us a little bit about what what is unique about jessica and your story around aviation so probably one of the most unique things about me is that i'm blind in one eye and it happened to me when i was sixteen I had a disease called acanthamoeba care. Titus that is an amoeba. You learn about biology. Got my eye and it required some pretty strong eyedrops and medications to kill it but it resulted in the fact that mike cornea is used with no chance of being able to wear contact lens or anything and so i have what's called a statement of demonstrated ability as soda which the faa granted. Me to say that. I am legal to hold a first class medical to fly commercially. That is pretty unique so I think i learned about soda. I recently when i've been working on getting my instructor license. It's going so much still be taking time for me to get my instructor license but Not too many people know that. There's these these ways that you can get a special medical I would say. I would have thought up until a few months ago that i had have perfect vision to be a pilot right. Don't you have to have perfect vision to the pilot. that's kind of one of the fallacies of the aviation industry. And i think it's a carry over from the military. I think that the military requirements are much stricter in there were so many years that most professional pilots came from military backgrounds But there are so many different things that you can get a soda for And for me was a. It was a no brainer that i wanted to fly. It was a question of. Could i get a medical and it was a question of. Could i find the right person to help me through that process and what that meant especially being in small town west texas. We didn't have a lot of ame's and didn't have a lot of resources. In fact i had a lot of ame airmen. Medical examiner had a lot that Turned me away. And i think it was just because they didn't know I never was denied for a medical. I just i would call and explain my situation. While you mentioned the people at the front desk the dispatchers had a lot of people at the front desk of the of the doctor's offices say we don't do that or no. you can't get a medical. I think they just weren't informed and didn't know which is not their fault But yeah it was just finding the right person to help me obtain that that statement of demonstrated ability That that made the difference for me. Yes so You have obviously these phone calls these medical offices and they turn you away. What was the. What was the group like that said that they would help you. What was different or what what made the difference for you. so going. back to find your tribe There was a local pilot. Who's one of my dad's best friends who my dad explain the situation. He said i've got an ame that will That should be able to help her. And so i had to travel a little bit brownwood And i went in. And at that point i was just flying recreationally. I had no intention flying professionally. I was just going for my third class medical. Because i thought this is just going to be a weekend activity for me. And so Made the call. He said yeah. I'll see you. Let's see what we can do. When in for the the exam i was nineteen. I was really pretty good shape at that point It came to the eye test. And obviously i failed the test because you can't pass it because of my vision and so what at that point what did was put in an order for the faa to look at my file. And unfortunately i don't know exactly what steps the ame takes. That's a great question for your locally ame But he put in the request for the soda to be done and only thing he did for me. That was a bonus as he said. I'm gonna go ahead and test you for a second class just to just to cover all of our basis so without me even really knowing at that point and back then the computer software was different for obtaining aviation medical He went ahead and to a second class. So it went to the local vista which was lubbock and the fiscal. Got in contact with me and we set up a flight test and i went up within a fantastic faa representative. It was a great first exposure to working with the lowest global. Oh and so. We went into the flight test and it was fairly straightforward. It was he was asking me questions about identifying objects on the ground identifying objects in the air He made sure that i could pick a suitable landing site for an oilfield landing if necessary He had me demonstrate several landings to be sure. My depth perception was was adequate. And at that point. I was issued my second class soda so later had upgrade one to a first class went through another with the same avenues again and upgraded to a first class but Once it's done it's done as long as there's no changer. Progression to my vision. I don't do the test again. I carry it with my medical If i am requested to present my medical i go ahead and presented at the same time once it's done it's fairly straightforward pretty easy and most people don't even know that i'm blind one i. I'm happy to talk about it. I'm not ashamed of it. I'm happy to an. I love helping other people. That think that it may be something that inhibits them from flying. I love telling them that. It's not that's awesome in a question. Just pops into my head which is okay we go back and get our medical or whatever until interval. We have to get our medical as you said. Once it's done it's done shirley you still go get some sort of a medical yet. That don't misunderstand that one yeah I still go for my first class medical every year. I have to keep a first class for my job But when i go for my medical. Especially if i'm going to new ame i present my soda and explain to them that i will most likely not be able to pass the eye exam And so at that point they do the eye exam up to the point that i can. I can pass it And then that's it. I don't know what they do on their end that that shows it. But it's i walk away with my first class medical so yes still have to do medicals every year. Still do the i test every year. I just explained that. I won't be able to pass the The left eye vision. Portion of the test makes less sense. And i have. I don't have perfect vision. I'm wearing glasses. And i have to wear glasses now while i fly And i could pass that. That would be solved for me personally while you've been in aviation for a long time any other interesting sodas that you've seen or participated around or with i think for me it's inspirational for our listeners. To dis- no. I might have a problem but that problem might not prevent me from being a professional pilot would ask. Just what made you keep going back. In other words. If i went down if i if i went down to the houston rockets right now. It says i want to try out for your basketball team. And they said well. You can't jump and you can't run and you can't shoot. I would i would probably walk away and say well. Okay i i wouldn't come back tomorrow and say can i try this again so when you when the first ame turn you away obviously you. You didn't take no. You came back. What what inspired. Then i think at any age but particularly nineteen. If somebody told me i couldn't do something that just made me want to do it that much more. I don't know that there was anything in particular that said. I'm just going to keep trying. I just knew that i was going to do it. And i was going to keep trying At that point. I had done my own research and seeing that there was regulations that allowed me to to hold the soda so i knew it was possible but i just didn't let the naysayers discouraged me and i just kept going. I don't know. I had a lot of of cheerleaders said we know we know this is possible. We just have to find the right person. This isn't an aviation story. This is a life story. You know it just says if you if you want something Keep going don't give up. no doubt. don't give up i. i'm not sure that thing with me. In the rockets will work out but potential. Okay you look good new jersey thank as as it relates to to a said the never giving up do other other people that are aware of this that you have a deficiency. I don't know what the right way to put it as do do. They think that you can't be as good of a pilot as anyone ever challenged such away now. Never more often than not. Like i said i most people don't even know i would say probably the only thing that triggers people's particularly when i was flight instructing sitting in the right seat If a student was was flying. I'd have to turn a little bit further over to the left to be able to see what their panel was doing thankfully with experience and while. I'm sure you can attest to this. That i've gotten our can look out the window and know what they're doing. I can feel the if their uncoordinated in my seat. I can feel your speeds get in too slow or too fast. I can hear it Your senses takeover. A little bit And i think that's true for instructors have to good functioning. Is they do that. But no i don't think anybody has ever stopped me and said oh. You shouldn't be doing that or you're not capable of that. I kind of proven that that's possible. Sure well i think before so record was joking with wally. I flow with many a rated pilot. Who have to good is instill. Don't look at it to see things. So i'm not sure that's the most Most reference -able point there for sure so Congratulations on overcoming something. That there really isn't the end of the world now with cell the listeners. I've talked to people who've had two things to get over medical milestones in their aviation careers. It is possible. Don't give up. I think we would recommend. We're not doctors. We would recommend probably contacting they oh. Pa and their medical hotline to start that process. If you don't have friends and family points in the right direction and then do your part to find a good ame that can help you I don't know that Some suggestions here locally. If you're in local give me a call or email. Me bobby. At behind the probe dot com. I'll try and point to an ame. The might be able to help but Start with. 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That it's it's so special to be able to help somebody overcome a medical issue. The best i can if someone's listening and they wanna find the best way to find you come into a houston women aviation event. Probably absolutely come on all right so with that. We'll wrap up as always fi safe and stay behind. The problem thinks everyone. Thanks for checking out the behind the prop podcast be sure to click subscribe. Check us out online at behind. The prop dot com behind the prop is recorded in houston texas creator and host is bobby dos co host. Is wally maher. Show is for entertainment purposes only and is not meant to replace actual flight instruction. Thanks for listening. Remember fly safe.

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GSMC Sports Podcast Episode 882: Lee The Legend

GSMC Sports Podcast

1:28:41 hr | 6 months ago

GSMC Sports Podcast Episode 882: Lee The Legend

"At this is your alternate staffer. Everything sports the golden state media concepts or podcast. Should i say more from the nfl. Mlb the nba mma. It's all in here. Golden state media concepts sports podcast. Listen now hello folks. Hello welcome to the g. s. m. c. Sports podcast brought to you by the gmc podcast network. I'm your host scott and folks hello woke. i'm happy. I know you're happy if you're not happy we're gonna make you get happy because we got sports and we got you covered here on a gmc podcast network. I said before. I'm your host. Scott your one stop shop for all podcasts and needs is on the gmc podcast network so make sure you like subscribe and followed the gmc podcast network so you can get up to date with business relationships whatever you may need all your podcast and needs are part of the gmc podcast network. But you hear for sports. And i got you. I'm scott like i said before and welcome guys. Welcome back to the gmc sports podcasts. Last time you're my my voice folks. was a little bit In a humble mood. Because i had just been humbled quite frequently by the nc double march madness tournament. And i am proud to say today. I'm proud to say today that that's not the case before we get into what we're gonna talk about today. I just want to start this show today white off the bat by saying i told you so i own do so to the baylor. Bears shout out to the gonzaga bulldogs. I'm sorry would agree season. I told you although. I told you the baylor bears are gonna win it all and they did so now. Welcome to the sports park has got a great show lined up for you today today. We're gonna talk about. The masters tournament is masters week. We had to talk about mass. The tournament with you're going to get into a little bit of the meghan repeal and draymond green beef where may have started what my thoughts are on it with. They're gonna talk about the top twenty five under twenty five list. That was released by. Espn recently and i have a lot of thoughts about that. And we're going to end the show with our new segment. Give them their flowers. We got another candidate for the give them their flower segment as we get close to the end of the show. I'll let you know kind. Give you more of a hint who we could be giving them flat given their flowers through this week. But let's start our coverage with the masters tournament. It's masters week folks. Were in augusta georgia. We got nice weather. We got fans we got the the food for very reasonable pricing. We got mastered gotta coverage on. Espn is gonna roll over to cbs this weekend. It's all back folks. And i know we just had a master's tournament last november. But we're right back to the masters tournament again this year. And if you haven't heard if you did not hear. tuesday's episode. I encourage you to listen to it. Because on tuesday hinted at a list of who some of the top names were to look out for and i still believe. Even those fairly as we're gonna get into the idea of what the leaderboard looks like. I still believe a lot of those names are going to be there. At the end. I hinted at the idea and the fact that i'm a huge bryson. Decent de shambo fan. And i expect him to be the the victory in the end. We talked about a dozen johnson's. Most recent a masters victory. We also talked about jordan speed's and his return to the winners when winning valero texas open. We talked about all those things on tuesdays episodes. So make sure you get that. Listen if you haven't already but today today tournaments already started it's kicked off. We've already teed off its kicked off and a lot of viral moments of already happened if you haven't been paying attention. I'm here to let you know what you missed us for. You need to give going. You need to get on it. You don't stop slacking off folks. I'm telling you right now. Your boys got you covered. You normally talk about it but you need to do your due diligence and check it out. Check out the masters tournament. There is a video floating around social media right now. A highly encourage anyone who has. It's can this video ready to go on any social media platform whether it's instagram twitter and typing bryson shambo in vj singh bryson d shambo and vj singh. Now you may be saying what do those two have in common. The video. that's on social. Media is a bryson d. Shambo pakistan is dr is at at the masters and the driving range price in his drive and he is literally teeing off like an insane person. I'm talking about back to back to back like baseball. Type swing four his drives and he's practicing he's practicing and vj. Singh is in the background looking in amazement. judge mentally. there's even a word it. he just looks shocked overall. Let's just go with the ages shop overall and this is a very funny video and it just all in my opinion the misers who bryce additional is i talked about on last episode how he is a unit physically but mentally. He approached the game. Maybe like we've never seen before. He analyzes it so much and uses the science and uses math before he makes the decisions. So i'm looking at this video and yes it is funny but i'm also realizing he's getting his body used to what is expected of him for the masters tournament and practising practising his power and what may work and what may not work. Why he's doing is driving. He's getting all that out early and everybody else walked up to the driving range. They were taking pretty good drives were. They weren't teeing off the way he was like like literally back to back to back and part of it i do believe it's an intimidation factor. I know for a fact. Bryson is looking at competition saying i could get into their heads kind of like tiger woods. You do before we even start if they look at me. And i'm like what the heck is doing. What is he doing. And seeing the power that i'm hitting with. I'm in their heads before we get started and that means a lot golf because golf is a very mental. So if you haven't seen that video a highly encourage you to watch. It is very very funny. If you follow the sports podcasts on on twitter. i'll be sure to re tweet video and lincoln so you guys can see very very funny video. But let's hop into this leaderboard as of the time of this recording as of the time of this recording all the top names that i mentioned on last week's episode dustin johnson were macaroni. Jordan speeds pricing sham. Bo all those big names. I mentioned all of them right. None of the top leader. Not a single person is at the top of the leaderboard right now. Not a single person at the top of the leaderboard. But that's okay because that's golf is golf in a nutshell it. It is exactly what you expect out of this tournament. The masters tournament is a very challenging. Course which is why was that much improved that much more impressive. When we saw tiger woods. I have is run there but at the top of the leaderboard right now. Justin rose justin justin rose out of out of the uk who twenty nineteen didn't even make the cut for the masses the two thousand nineteen the tiger woods one. He didn't even make the cut. So it's it's very Enlightening intriguing to see him at the top of the leaderboard right now but it's still very early very very early. But he's playing. He's playing pretty well after round one. So is this interesting to me that we got the master's back and i just wanted to kind of go over a little bit more reiterated. The fact of who. I truly believe is gonna take this master's tournament and i encourage you if you're a casual fan out there if if you follow my words my vice from last week to watch this. Master's tournament that you don't fall in love with the leaderboard because if there ever is a tournament in golf that is ever changing. Is this one right here. Folks it is this tournament. It is a very tough course and the reason why i keep saying that is because it is a very difficult to play and all it takes is one bad now back around now. You may be a tiger woods in his prime where you have such good rounds that you can afford to have a bad round every now and then but the majority of these golfers aren't like that so when we were watching these players have bad rounds. That's it was people. Were on top of the leaderboard. Get knocked down in in a in a blink of an eye and as recently that yahoo sports release an article about pricing di sant boat and i just went into use it to to further. Hit home the point. That i was telling you guys that i truly believe writing de shambo to be a threat to the tournament and its articles by yahoo sports the writer jay busbee and it goes as follows at this point in masters week back and twenty twenty bryson d shambo had cranked to hype meter. Deep into the red with bo pronouncements about how he was going to carve the course apart driving onto other fairways has had a short second shots. It didn't quite work out that way. These clinton break-up big dogs the way he wanted to finish eighteen strokes of a dozen johnson's when a score but now the masters has come around again and shambo already has fellow players and a few patriot. Attendance attendance astonished and in article. They lead they link to the video. A bryson d shambo and vj singh teeing off on driving range that i referenced. Earlier tuesday morning at augusta national de shambo made no secret how much he wants to claim this tournament. Speaking in sentences is winding as multi civic as his drives. Are long these shambo bracketed topic after topic from his own health. To the state of georgia's election laws but the focus always came back claiming a green jacket. This has been my radar. Since i was a kid. These shambo said not now that. I've accomplished winning the us open. This is the next goal for me. He also tried a breakdown how he came up short in in twenty twenty at augusta given what i learned from the masters last november. I'm going to be focused mainly on accomplishing. How do i hear iron shots into greens to give myself the best chance to give them to give myself the best chance and the ability to make birdie. There are a lot of times last year. Why decent enough drives. But i just didn't feel like i was hitting shots in the correct quadrants of the greens or give opportunities on par. Fives like i should have decent both stats for the two thousand twenty. Once he's our president has ever. He ranks first in total shots. Game off the tee shots gain teats agree driving distance eagles in scoring average. There's a flaw in. His game is his driving accuracy. Your ranks one hundred thirty third on tour but every other facet of the game appears to be on track as a result. He's one of the favorites in his tournament. behind only dustin johnson. Now i'm gonna stop the article there. And i want to stop there because there's a key point in the article and i don i. If you missed it. I'll reiterate the fact so there's a duet quote from bison d shambo in his article. He talks about the the idea of how he approaches the game. He kinda hints at it. And you got to be paying attention to really notice what he was talking about there. And i'm going to bring it up here. So the part of the article where he talks about the his his his focused so he says i'm going to be focusing mainly on a competent. Do i hit iron shots into greens. Get myself the best chance to give an ability. Make birdie do i. I'm sorry. Excuse me where i hit these drives but i just didn't feel like i was hitting shots in the correct quadrant of the greens are giving myself opportunities on par. Fives like i should have. And this line correct quadri on the greens or giving myself opportunities on par par. Fives should have now reason holiday parties. Because that's a man who's aware of his game was aware of his flaws and who's not afraid to try things. An article at the the author of the article very beginning hinted at the fact that this is a guy who's willing to take crazy shots. No risky for the biscuit. He's the bruce areas of golf. No risky foot of biscuit. The bruce arians of gov is taking these crazy risks. And this is the person that i am all in on. I'm all in on and this article. Further reiterates the fact that of you understanding the process that this man is going through when he's on the golf course. And how could you not see him as a favorite. It's just a matter of him figuring it out just a matter of figuring it out and then if you see the video that i referenced before you notice that there's a mind game coming into play as well so two other players are scared. The hype is building on them. The players are scared and my personal opinion. The masters tournament his for the taking not doesn't johnson is is very impressive especially the way he won the last masters tournament but i think that works embracing shambles. Favor eighteen shots off the lead in the last tournament. That's a lot of homework. He had to do a lot of time. He had to spin fearing out. Okay how can. I put myself atop the leaderboard. I think he's going to do it. That's a name. I want you to be on the lookout for definitely be on the lookout for before we enough our coverage of the masters i also wanna. I talked a little bit about tiger woods in. We would be remiss if we didn't even mention the fact of tiger and yahu also released another article because tiger woods on twitter tweeted out his congratulations and his well wishes for all of the players this past weekend and it just wore my heart to see it was a little bit of bittersweet weeks. I did feel sad. What tiger tweeted. I'll i'll miss run-up dustin johnson. Pga's bill at the champions dinner tonight is still one of my favorite nights of the year. And it's the short tweet taking a little slight die a dig at doesn't johnson very lighthearted and it just warmed my heart to see it just walmart to see that because tigers is referencing the whole entire event. It's not just the players. Go out and play golf. It's a whole event both on and off the course for them. The masters dinner of the previous champions the night before the night before they all sit down they talk. They relive the glory days. They talk about the good. The bad all that's going on and tiger as a previous winner will be a part of this dinner normally under normal circumstances if not for the most recent tragic accident that he experienced so it's a little bit bitter sweet to for us to have a mass tournament knowing that tigers. Not there and a lot of players have made mention of the fact that it feels. What's not being there and some of them even pay tribute to him. Fred couples his his group in particular his caddy's had asked that had tiger on it which is really cool to see. They tweeted out thinking guy tiger woods during this week the matches mission tonight at dinner. It's not the same without you and the players just overall have just sent their well wishes back to tiger the same as he sending his well wishes to them and it's great to see the gulf war will come together. Just come together for tiger woods and the time of need because this is a very very rough time for him and if we know anything about taco we know that extremely competitive and whenever the sport of taken away from him ted a hard time coping with at a very hard time coping with that so thoughts and our prayers. Go out to him during his time. But i hope he can buy the tournament just as much as we can because it'd be a great one on the list. There's no one more thing. I want to discuss here about the masters tournament and this this one kind of overlaps into the basketball world so the augusta national this year decided they were going to honor of honoring lee elder lee elder. And you may be wondering hooley. Hooley elder is well lee odor is the the the black the first black male to break the color barrier in the gusta national and the masters and we have an article here from yahoo sports again. This is from jay busbee again and it goes as follows the first timely odor into the grounds of augusta national. He and a friend drove up magnolia lane. They toured the fame. Clubhouse strolled around the majestic oak. Looked out at the to where just a few days time odor was start his first masters then they went into the nearby grillroom for lunch as they dying the matrix. The matrix approach the table. I just wanted you to know you are you. Two are the first black men to ever eat in the clubhouse. Besides the help this was in nineteen seventy five forty six years later almost to the day outta was back at augusta national just a few steps from that same dining room joining jack nicklaus and gary player to ceremonially start the twenty twenty one master's the patriots surrounding the i t welcome elder the first black man to play the masters with the most sustained applause of the morning. It felt like a release and knowledge of all older had to suffer to get to the nineteen seventy five tournament. A long overdue. Congratulations and apology. just outside. the ropes. Arthur johnson otis friend from that day long ago took in the whole scene. A diverse gathering of friends and family chain chain elder in one of the classic bastions of old money. South the changes to this place. Johnson said have been tremendous forty. Six years ago elder looked out on that first heat and he was terrified he'd been care with gene littler. Who offered a bit of advice just before the two walked out together lee on. Oh this is gonna be a hard day for you. But i just want you to know if i get in your way to shot at me because i have a tendency to do. Those things. humor broke detention odor relaxed a bit. What i remember so much about my first visit here was the fact that every t. and every green that i walked on i got him in this ovations. I think when you receive something like that helps us settle down. Because i'll tell you. I was nervous. I was as we begin to play that it took me a few hosts kind of calm down. Johnson sporting a forest green nineteen seventy-five cap and honor of that year. Remember things a little differently. He was in the gallery and this had a far different perspective than elder allen. Of course the tension in the air was high. He said the people were in. Its friendly as they were today. They weren't saying anything allow. There was a lot of muttering under their breath. Elder has spent the first part of the week trying to navigate stream of media requests so constant eddie eventually had to beg then club chairman clifford roberts to curtail them. He couldn't practice. He couldn't get to know the course he had no time. Even though elder have played well enough to warn an invitation to the masters outside of the gates of the gut national. He was still suffering because of the color of his skin. Local augusta restaurant tour. David rachel sold another story from that weak leeann. His party into restaurant called the green. Jackie it was early in the evening. There was nobody there and it looked at me and said we can't serve you here so the entire party had to leave even though there were tables open everywhere but the restaurant closed and went out of business. And here's lee getting honored at the master's so some things. Sometimes things work out. Now i'm gonna stop to article there. Because i just want to break down a couple of things here as great as it is for us to have this master's tournament we must always keep things in perspective in one thousand. Nine hundred. seventy five liotta was the first black man to ever play at the masters. That's not that long ago folks. That's not that long ago and it's a stark reminder of us that we've come a long way but we still got a long way to go. We got a long way to go. Yes this is a sports podcast but sometimes sports and real life overlap. And this is one of those instances as we have the backdrop of the moby moving the all star game out of georgia for voting laws. We've had north carolina in the nba moved there All star game because of laws that were passed and we have the backdrop of augusta national. Get some pressure from some outside sources. Saying hey maybe. We shouldn't play the the masters in augusta this year or players are being asked about it. It's a stark reminder. That is still is a lot for us to overcome the racial barrier and the racial tension that they're describing here and something that many still to this day and sports is no different from that me being a black male who enjoys golf. I enjoy a lot. I'll be sitting here lying to you if i tell you that. I do not go to golf courses and driving ranges. And i don't get looks. I still get the same looks leo describing this article. Nineteen seventy five. I still can same looks so get the people cushioning people stopping what they're doing to watch me golf. Stop what they're doing to watch golf moving Their their bag over to prevent me from from golfing nexen. These are things that and to this day. These are still things that happens day. Now every man's journey is different. And i'm not saying my experience is exactly the same odor or as extreme some of the things he's endured but those racial tension and racist moments still happen folks. We got along with go so i want to bring this article up for us to enjoy the message tournament. But you have to have perspectively. If there's one thing you always hear me say is. I'm always telling you guys keep proper perspective on things we enjoy this. Master's tournament basilica nala the fact that horrible to go through this. And there's some of you who don't look like odor and will never have to go through anything like that so can't imagine it. So when we had these instances and re reminders of things like that shot to the masters for honoring the odor. If in my personal opinion is well past do but they're honoring him. Nonetheless shouts him sign out to the masters in and lee odor for him being honor but we gotta keep things in perspective folks keep things in perspective being ally. Do your research. I highly encourage you to do it. In all instances not just golf. In all instances so shout out to lee outer shot to the matt masters and shot the steph curry who also took to twitter to shout out the odor himself. And we not we all know. If you don't know steph curry is a huge fan of golf himself on twitter he put special day in nineteen seventy five. Liotta broke the color barrier at the masters this morning. He joins an honorary honorary starter. As least says you gotta stay the course and we all gotta stay the course to continue at least started with expanding access to the sport congrats to this legend so as you see is crossing color bounds color barriers and sports so pay attention folks enjoy the masters but have your perspective are folks. We're gonna take a break your pause for the cause on the other half of this break. We're gonna talk about meghan rubino versus draymond green later on in the show. We'll talk about the top twenty. Five hundred twenty five lists by from espn and then we're going to end the show with our new favourite segment. Give them their flowers. But all that can't be done until after this. Are you looking for the very best. Nfl and college football podcast. Then check out the gsm see football. Podcast get the latest football news. Both on and off the field from the nfl draft to treats to the rumor mill to the nfl combines got you covered that's gs podcasts dot com slash football dash podcasts get updates college rivalries keen de insights and much much more. It's football talk the way you want it. This show in sleeps and breathes football. Don't forget to like them on facebook and follow them on twitter visit. Yes and see podcasts. Dot com for more info. Welcome back folks. Welcome back to the g. s. mc sports podcast. I'm your host shacks. We've had a great show does far. We've already talked about the masters. Pj term you talked about who to look out for the m the masters tournament honoring the elder. And now we're going to get into meghan repeat no and jury monde green. He may be asking yourself meghan repeal and draymond green. What do we have in common. Well don't worry folks. I got you. I'll tell you what they have in common. And what i have here in front of me is an espn article from jeff. Carlisle the us soccer correspondent for espn. And i'm going to read this article because there's a lot that it covers it. I'm going to break it down for you. So if you don't understand don't feel bad. I'm going to break it down for you. We're gonna talk about it because a lot of interesting things that come out of this article and it will further explain. What megara pinot andrew macarena have in common article. Goldens follows united states. Women's national team star meghan renault. Hit back at a series of tweets by golden state warriors. Ford draymond green in which he in part blamed women for making complaints rather than taking action over berries. Pay and investment and women's sports on zoom. Call ahead of this. Summer's olympic olympics in tokyo repeal told reporters that a series of tweets made by great draymond green last month on which he tagged a number of wnba stars misguided. It's really unfortunate in the position. Greens in having all of the resources that he has and the ability to have a much more educated opinion that he just hasn't set rubino. Who has been at the forefront of the women's united states women national scene quest for equal pay and then drag all of these other people into it by tagging them speaking at a time when the ncwa tournament is going on and all that we saw with the lack of resources and funding. that's frustrating. That's the take you have. You obviously shouldn't you obviously showed your whole blankety blank and not even adding what we all talk about all the time. Wnba players and us on the national team. Like what sue bird said you tag the wrong people. You don't think we asked for more money. I mean what are we. Screaming about non stop. We're getting obnoxious we get. We're getting obnoxious to ourselves. To be honest and then two or three days later it's a completely doubled. Down is really frustrating. We know all of this. We we know all this about also movements all people who are marginalized whether it's by race or gender religion sexuality. Whatever it is is not just their jobs to be the ones fighting oppression when he all the other people as well so to have someone who who doesn't know what it's like to be a press in many ways to keep that on the back of all female players or people who play female sports it just really disappointing. Repeal added that she hasn't spoke just spoken of equal pay but also about the level of investment and media coverage when we talk about when we all talked about equality and women's sports. We always talk about i investment and funding resources and marketing and branding and investing not just the players but the support staff in coaching in media. Tv media print media all of your. Those are the things we talk about. I and i think anybody who watches us or follows us or really has skin in the game and equal pay or equality in. That sense knows that this knows that. That's what we talked about. First in a series of tweets posted on march twenty seven. Green said as long as. I'll make the argument about pay while the revenue stays the same. They will continue to point at the revenue not being high enough to cover bigger salaries while that is true and dang near every business. How do we take the card out of their pockets. That's the key to the pay. There's argument for lack of revenue. Unless you make those that say they stand for women actually stand up green added. The nba wasn't always global game. That it is today. It wasn't always driving as much revenue as it is today but there were people behind it booting a platform and more importantly telling individual stories and building up interest in the players. That's how the game took off who's building up y'all's platform who selling individual stories of how great y'all are building the interest and transforming women's basketball into a global game green tag. Wnba stars sue. Bird diana taurasi candace parker skylar diggins smith brittney griner and others were piano was also asked about the reaction to the recent passage of a new election law in georgia in. Mlb decision to relocate all star game from atlanta renault gave mlb decision full support. I think everybody has a responsibility to do. Whatever it is that they can to make the world a better place. We're talking about specifically about these. Jim crow two point. Oh voter suppression laws in georgia yet. I think these companies have influenced in georgia whether it's mlb local companies wherever maybe if you can flex your power and that way and use your influence of a platform that you have where you have obviously black and brown players in your league you have black and brown fans you know just generally the issue that we have voter suppression in this country. I think everybody in every business and everything should be at the disposal to make sure that we're influencing those laws in the right way she added ultimately it's all about other people's it's all about people's rights showing up people to exercise their right to vote and to be a part of the civic processes the most important thing in a democracy so this extremely undimmed undemocratic an un-american by the ideals that we want to live by so yeah shot to the mo for making that step. I'm sure that was very difficult and financially. I'm sure has a lot of implications and politically for them. I'm sure it does as well but draws a very clear line in the sand for lee who has more to do than have less to do so. It's really strong step from them. All right so a lot unpack there and shout out to espn dot com. And let me give credit to the author this is written by dr carr. Jeff carlisle the es espn correspondent. But there's a lot to unpack there so if you miss what i talked about or zoned out i got you covered to put it in layman's terms. Dream greece something folks. He truly stepped in it so in the end of march last month. Draymond green wrote us a series of tweets. Basically talking about the women's sports in general and the pay in in the pay quality issues and the women quote unquote complaints about it. And how they're taking the wrong approach. Which is very ironic to tell them how. They're taking the wrong approach. He then further did an interview after one of the golden state warriors practices and reiterated. The fact saying i'm really tired of seeing them complain about the lack of pay because they're doing themselves a disservice by just complaining. Are you kidding me. Are you kidding me. Tremont like are you toned up there. You're not realizing the issue with their. He also went on to say they're not laying out steps that they can take the changed as coming off as a complaint because people that can change. You are just going to continue to say well. The revenue is an there so if you don't bring the revenue we can't pay they're going to keep using that but the reality is that shoes that is it's an excuse because says we support women. We support women's empowerment. We support women in the workplace. We do this for women we do this. X. for women blah blah blah and. Everyone uses it to their advantage yet are not using these people who are saying these very things their advantage. And there's an issue there. I one draymond. Green is speaking for women. That's your first. That's your first issue that on you do not get to speak for women. Let women speak for women. That's your first mistake. My friend do not speak for women. Do not if you want to help. Women being be ally do not speak for women. Do not so women what they've been doing. You can't do that. that's not fair. Do not tell women what they've been doing. Because clearly based off these tweets in this his verbiage and his interview after afterward. James green has no idea what women have been doing for women's sports clearly. Not the definition of an ally is a state formerly cooperating with another for military or the purpose or to combine resources commodity with another for mutual benefit. So if you want to help. Outdraw being ally combine or unite a resource or commodity with another for mutual benefit. He spoke of resources. If you want to help women use the resources you have to remind you gotta platform you. Got the eyes of all of america on you speak out for these women speak out for them but don't speak on behalf of them. There's a big difference there so you can say if someone's sitting there and they're asking me about my opinions about kyrie irving being now if i don't wanna talk about that i can say oh you know what career is is for personal reasons were did any of you guys catch the las vegas aces last night. Did you catch that game. Did you see liz cambridge last night. Did you see kelsey plum. Diana taurasi speak out for them. Speak out for them. Bring attention to them. You can use the resources. You have draymond. Green is not an educated but this whole entire transaction was very stupid. Very stupid so meghan. Repeal has every right to be of as upset. She is an all the women who took offense. This have every right to as well because you as a man in me as a man cannot speak for women we can. We can't speak on behalf of these women especially when you're not educated on the topic. He went on to say they aren't speaking to these same people and using the resources that they have. That's not true it's not true. It's not true. The one thing i can say about women's sports i can't say about the men is about the empowerment. They support each other. They uplift each other so for a fact just how empowering and uplifting they are of each other that they're using their platforms and their resources to try to further the sport and it's working this far but the problem is they're having to do it all on their own. They're doing it all on their own. And it's not just the wnba it's worldwide it's worldwide. We saw with the double with the the women's basketball the nc doub- women's tournament this year we all eyes on the tournament. We got great games. We witnessed during the tournament. But we saw the ncaa thought of women by the the weight room situation they gave them. We saw what the daughter them and that continues to happen because in neighbors local draymond green and like other men who refused to be allies. So don't speak so matter of fact when you have no idea what you're talking about dream on dead instead these tweets that have been questions. This should have been questioned. They should have been at megara. Pino at diana taurasi at candace. Parker how can i as a black male in the nba with this platform. That i have be of assistance to you women just in the wnba but women athletes as a whole. How can i help the first step to help. Somebody is figuring out how you can help them. You can't just assume like oh. I know who. I am what i do. And what worked for the nba. It'll work for the wnba. I hate when people make that comparison. Because it's not fair it's not fair yes. The nba didn't always have the revenue had. Yes it group but you cannot compare that to wnba it is not the same exact thing because we know for a fact women and men are treated differently in america not just sports in america as a whole so to sit here and say that the wnba is not getting a growth that it deserves because not enough. People are focused on how to build the revenue. That's not true. There are plenty of people who have focused on how to build a revenue. Plenty plenty trust me. Trust me there. Are i know that for a fact. The wnba is not some fly by wall event. The problem is is that for so long it's been the literal little sister of the nba. It's been throw in so when tv rights deals have been made they've thrown in the wnba when you've got partnerships being an adidas under armor nike. They're throwing in the wnba and get from the outside why that may have thought to be a resource to help. Because it's either that or them struggle to find funding overall for discriminatory purposes. But all it did was his further stunt the growth of the because now in this women empowerment movement. And we're seeing the likes of the diana tarazi's meghan repea- knows we're seeing them. Stand up and say hey enough is enough. We are just as good as valuable as the nba. Ain't what i say to that. You're absolutely right. They are absolutely right. One hundred percent one hundred percent spot on so draymond green. You should have been asking questions asking these women asking if not these women the women around you. The women may know you're an athlete. Athlete community is a very tight. Knit one reach out. Ask questions how can i be an ally. How can i be an ally to you. How can i use my resources or maybe your resources. Maybe we combine resources to further sport to further women athletes everywhere to get rid of the pay gap the pay inequalities the racial inequalities the gender inequalities to get rid of all of that how can i be an ally and what megara piano said was a very valid point him as a black male. Knows what it's like to be discriminated against knows what it's like four people to assume that they had asked for you and i can tell you guys folks michel scott as a black male. It is the most frustrating thing for someone to tell me how i can better myself especially when i don't look like me because you do not know the struggle that i go through. You do not know my daily life you not know the iniquities the inequalities the injustices that i suffer so much so that i become too. You don't know what i go through so to. Have someone tells you all you need to do. Is this shack and your life will be better police up by bootstraps. Look for your resources. What someone would have told that to draymond green. What does someone want to tell you. That the draymond green What if he will lose his mind and rightfully so. It's not right so do not do this. These women especially especially twenty twenty one. We watched one of the best. Ncwa and history men or women with the women's tournament. And i keep saying the women's tournament outshine the men's tournament. And there's no there's no disrespect to the amendment this year but the women's tournament was amazing. So the stereotypical idea ideological. I idealogical yami stuttering. Here ideas ideologies. What else trying to say ideas. We got to let those go folks. We got to and i encourage all my other fellow men out there who are feeling nervous awkward about it. Do your research do your own research. Don't put it all on the backs of women to get themselves out. Don't say hey you got the proper resources. Look for them. Hey you don't have funding finding if it was that easy. It would have been done by now. Don't you think so. It's a dumb thing to say. The same people you guys are are went into breakdown. The revenue gap. You're criticizing because they are helping their enabling the iniquities you got to call these people out but sometimes sometimes it's more poignant when it comes from someone that's of the same sex so if another man tells a man like hey you got the money and resources. Why don't you invest in the nba. Is sounds a lot different. Then it coming from a woman so we need to j. green. We need you shacks. Ghanem calling myself. We need you all the other men. In the world out there be allies for these women be allies for them. All sports are beautiful. We all love sports. Women's sports is included in that. The women's soccer women's basketball women's tennis probably the greatest athlete of all time is a woman in serena williams and doesn't get the respect. She deserves because of things like this. Because of people who think like draymond green was so. I encourage drag drama. Do your research do your homework. This is a learning moment a lot of times me speaking for myself as a man i struggled with ego. Gotta let that go. Let it go in this moment. You put your foot in mouth now learn from it learn from it because i know for a fact his mom was side. I in him or the women around him were side. I am for santa thing. Do not assume not assume you know everything because you will be humble pretty quickly and shout out to megara pinot and all the other women who weren't afraid to draymond green. He needed it. He needed it. So where do we go from here. What do we go from here to remind. I'm asking you a mask and the fans out there. I masked men. And i'm asking the women. Where do we go from here. Opposes question you guys. What do you propose we do. I give you suggestions. What do you think we should do and gives me on twitter and gave me on instagram. And the comments let us know. What are you doing. What i can suggest is us to be allies. And if you're at the point in your life where you feel you can be an ally educate yourself then friend educate yourself do research see the true value in these women's sports and not just the wnba look at the value here in america. The national team the bar none the best national team. We have is our women's national team but they're getting paid less than the men. Why is that ask yourself. Why is that is he. Because of traditionalist views from back in the day. I can answer that for you right now. Yeah it sure is it sure is so we need to stop all this old way of thinking and become allies. Help out your sister. help out your brother. Sports is supposed to be the place we come we unite. I challenge you all on them. So if you don't hear anything else from me here this be an ally educate yourself. Don't be like draymond. Green was and guess what drew my mistake. But it's not permanent is up to you now to drop the ego and to realize oh you know what i made a mistake. I spoke out a term. I was ignorant to the fact but i educate myself and then when you educate yourself being ally user resources come together and we get what we all need is the only way but until then shut up shut up. I'm sorry be quiet. Do your research and if you don't know what you're talking about do research. Rei folks as you wrap up this second second of the podcast before we get into our break. I'm let you guys know what you can expect on the other half of this break. We got the top twenty five hundred twenty five minutes from espn dot com and we got to end our show with giving them their flowers. We gotta give some folks there flowers so excited about that but we got a quick possible because see another half is break. Check out the shoulder that's built on the m. from ufc two extreme cage. Fighting they got the fights covered. Check out the gsm. See m a podcast. Get the latest news on past off coming fights. Join us as we've talked to in about some of the biggest names in the past president future when it's the fight game there's just one show to check out gmc. Podcasts dot com. Backslash emmy dash podcast. Don't forget to leg him on facebook and follow them on twitter. Visit gs mc podcast dot com for more info Welcome back folks. Welcome back to the gmc sports podcast. I'm a shek scott and we've had a great show that's far folks. That's why we talked about. The masters tournament started to show talking about the latest in all to do with the masters tournament. We then went on to talk about megara and draymond green. Nyj green is probably shut up for a little while and how he can help himself in the future. And now we gotta talk about this top twenty five hundred twenty five and you may be wondering what is the top twenty five hundred twenty one twenty five so if you've been under a rock lately. Espn's insiders release this list of the top nba's best twenty under twenty five ranking young stars by future potential. Now before we get into this list. Espn i have to give them all the credit in the world because they are great about this they know any time they release a list like this is going to spark a huge controversy in the sports world. As a whole. Were going to talk about it. It's going to be on the morning shows as going to be on a podcast like my people are going to talk about it. We're going to debate it. Because i cannot how can you not and so i'm falling guilty to it. I'm falling guilty to right now. I saw list come out. And i had some head-scratching moment some some. I agreed with. But i said i have to come in here and talk about this. What you guys. Because i know you care about it so if you missed it. We're going to break down a whole entire list. Go to the top twenty five lists. We're gonna talk about who i agree with. I'll give you my thoughts on how to careers will turn out. Who will make the biggest lead from the list and we'll talk about a particular name and why he so over hyped and while this hype is either worthy or not worthy so the article starts with which which young nba stars are taking over in which teams have the best collections of young talent. In the league. Bobby marks kevin pelton and mike schmidts ranked their top twenty five players under twenty five base on future potential including lamelo ball. Luka doncic jas jason. Tatum zion williamson and trae young. Know each rider's individual rankings are listed at the bottom of this story. We won't get to each individual rank and going to get due to list as a whole because he compiled it compiled them altogether. So i'm just gonna go through the list and told a i. I'm gonna go through all twenty-five not make any comments about it which is go through the twenty five then after i go to the twenty five within get into my opinions on the list. So at number one luka doncic dallas mavericks number two zion williamson number. Three lamelo ball number four donovan mitchell number. Five jason tatum deer and fox number seven. Ben simmons number eight devon booker number nine bam adebayo number ten villages alexander number eleven brandon ingram number twelve jalen brown number thirteen. Jamal murray number fourteen michael porter. Jr. number fifteen. John moran number sixteen trae young number. Seventeen mckell bridges number eighteen democracy bonus number nineteen anthony edwards number twenty deondraye eight. Am number twenty one tarries. How tirees halliburton number. Twenty two john collins. Number twenty three jared allen number twenty four lonzo ball and number twenty five collins sexton so to review. Let me go to the top ten one more time with you guys number one luka doncic number two zion williamson number three lamelo ball number four donovan mitchell number five jason tatum number six deanne fox number seven. Ben simmons number eight devon booker number nine bam bio and number ten shakeel gis alexander. Those are the top ten out of the top twenty five hundred twenty five now so a lot of names. I just mentioned near and there is some peculiar order to those names. So based off this list these writers agree the espn basketball insiders. All agree that luka doncic is the number one top twenty five under twenty five players now of all these players here. Luka doncic is twenty two points a game comparisons desire williamson. Who's twenty point. Seven lamelo ball whose nineteen point six. So we got luka doncic as a number one overall top twenty five hundred twenty five and just from the beginning before i get into details. I can't say i'm too mad at this election. I can't seem to matter this. Election and their reasoning is the twenty two year old has been selected to start in two all star games. And we'll get name to an nba team for a second consecutive season. Those all mba honors will make them eligible to sign a five year. Two hundred million dollars extension in offseason. So this is just a further reiterate. The fact of luka doncic is all star and borderline superstar. He's a baller. And i agree with that. He got a lot of hype coming into the nba. And there was a little bit of a debate as to whether who should be selected luka doncic or trey young thousand hot topic at the time and thus far luka luka has lived up to to the potential so i'm not mad at him being number one going to zeile williamson. There's absolutely no debate for me there. This kid we have not seen talking about hype. Hype for zion. Was the only comparison we have to. That was lebron. James lebron having in my personal opinion more height but the only comparison to zion high before he got to the nba was lebron's james in college. Every game was a must watch. The kid foot went through the shoe of went through issue. He broke his shoe on the court. And we talked about it for four days straight. You talked about it. For four days straight his highlight films from high school. Have over millions and millions borderline billions of us. The high for him is unmatched. Apart from lebron james so i'm not mad at him being the number two and that's why the up to that. That's why is it up to the hype now. Problem comes with this number three lamelo ball charlotte hornets and i'm going to review their reasoning as wise number three so prior to bring his wrist ball was posting historic numbers for nineteen zero and the ease with which he was dissecting. Nba defenses stood out even more a production giving his positional size. Supernatural vision elite instinct. Creativity touch unwavering. Confidence ball has as much long-term upside as anyone in the nba. Not names ion or luca will make some special. What makes them special can't be taught and the late bloomer will likely become even more of a problem for defenses as he matures physically none. That's not a bad explanation. However that's the way too high for lamelo ball to me on my my personal opinion way to our. Let's look at some of the names behind. Lamelo ball donovan mitchell. Jason tatum devon booker bam adebayo. Jamal murray john moran trae young. These are names that are behind lamelo ball but high lamelo ball right now. And if i'm being quite honest lamilla ball and my personal opinion is not even a top five. The top twenty five hundred twenty five. I will have them right on the outskirts. I'll have him probably within that. Six to eight range. But he's not number five. That's way too high and sat up till lamelo. Speaking of hype. He has all the hype in the world on him. But he's not a top three player of the top twenty five hundred twenty-five disrespectful lamelo. Who's all around and before this risk. Wrist injury was like the article mentioned on historic course but i don't see him being number three especially over a devon booker a devon booker. Don't forget this job over seventy points in a basketball game under twenty five over seventy points in the basketball game. We hadn't seen anything like that since kobe bryant but he's behind him little we watch bam out of bio last year kerry the miami heat to the nba finals and shot out to jimmy butler shot at the title hero. Shot duncan robinson started to jae crowder on a team at a time but bam of bio was a difference maker for that miami team and if not for him being injured towards the end then we may have witnessed a more closely and tightly contested. Nba finals so to how bam out of bio five spots down behind lamelo ball. That's absurd absurd satellite. Tv's riders but. I don't agree with that. I don't agree at all. I don't agree donovan. mitchell saving his name. because i'm watching donovan. Mitchell on a nightly basis folks and i promise you if he wasn't paying in utah he will be leading the headlines on every major sporting channel every night because the things he's doing on the on the court echo since he's been doing is great is great. It deserves equal amount of hype as lamelo ball is getting but since he's in utah. He's not getting that. We've seen us in the past with with the audrey care. Linkohr's gordon hayward is the carl malone's when utah's hard to get that recognition is. It's not a big market but us reading this from nba inside. Who's supposed to be in the know to have down mitchell behind him a little ball. That's borderline disrespectful. Man borderline disrespectful mitchell. Averaging twenty four point five points a game the utah jazz not to mention are the. Nba's best team right now and he's leading score he's having a career high forty percent points a forty percent forty percent from three point field this year and that was something that people questioned when he got into the nba. Come out louisville. Will they be a spot up. Shooter can't shoot the three. We knew he can create off the job. We knew super athletic. And we're watching. Make those changes says game. We're watching it. We're witnesses to it and you got him behind lamelo ball. No no surrey. I'm sorry aunt wrong. Jason tatum number. Five jason tatum. Now this is a kid has been in the league for a little bit now since two thousand seventeen. He got drafted. we watched him. We wasn't team. And although the celtics have been up and down jason tatum. Hasn't he's been pretty consistent. We watched the kid body. Lebron james and duncan lebron in the play offs. And that mama. Let me know. Otis kids going to be around. He's a real do and the article referenced. Lamelo balls confidence me unwavering. As i wholeheartedly agree with that but jason. Tatum is the same way recipes. Coby bryan jason. Tatum was training with kobe. Bryant and not just a skill sets he got from him. I know for a fact. He walked away mentally with an edge on the court. And it it shows it shows and i see in the in jayson tatum career being a little. Bit more impressive than lamelo bog. Because we're still all depending on the mellow ball maturing physically. That's not a guarantee it's not a guarantee and yes. He's grown in height over the last few years. Well he may not feel out. But i can see a donovan mitchell right now. I can see a jason tatum right now. And also at a real deal. And i'm not saying this to say Lamelo ball is not going to be a great player in this league. He will be believe he will be. But i don't think he's gonna be better than the jason tatum. I don't think he's gonna be better than a devon booker. Devon booker is literally to me and my personal opinion. I've been watching this kid since kentucky is literally one step off and maybe one phase it has gone. He hasn't quite fully got yet which is still under in under under development is defensive in but if he's shorts himself up defensively demo book the next great the next great without a doubt without a shadow of a doubt shot over doubt. And now there's another name on this list and i'm gonna stop ping lamelo ball but his particular place on the list is just disrespectful to me. So this top twenty. Five hundred twenty five has trae young as sixteen. Trae young is at sixteen. Now let's go over to names. That are trae young. Jalen brown is ahead of trae young. And i talked about jason tatum and jason. Tatum is a pretty good player. And i talked about the idea of him about to be. Maybe on the cusp of greatness. Sometime in the future. But jason jalen brown has been inconsistent. When he's been on he's been on and he's looked just as good as jason tatum but when he's been off oh he's been off and for that reason i'm not gonna put him ahead of trae young and i'm not putting trae young at sixteen and having jason tatum at twelve. There's no way no way now. Let's let me go over. The reason as to why they may have had jaylen brown of of trae young. And let me. Let's see if you agree with this. So we look at jaylen brown's profile and have them as saying despite a disappointing season so far. Which is what. I just mentioned the celtics. Two players in the top fifteen in in tatum brown name to his first all star game in march brown is averaging career highs in minutes points field. Goal percentage assists stills and free. Fishing brown is in the first year of a four year hundred and seven hundred and seven million rookie extension and will earn a one point three million bonus whereas also selection if he appears and at least fifty eight games this season. That's great. that's great. Let's look at the reasonable andre. Young being a sixteen young's career will be an interesting case study and importance of defense limitations because his small stature young will always have a difficult time. Matching up with the league's best. Cars are playing with the switch. Heavy defense forcing his coaches to get creative defensively. Those concerns help bump young behind point guards. Who haven't been melia productive offensive at the same age. He has willingly taken a step back in. Hawks offense this season with more weapons around him but remains nearly in dismissable to the team's ability to score nearly as any player in a league. Now the point that they're making about him defensively is a great one yesterday. Young does have a bunch of limitations to defensively to say the least. But you talk about him. Defensively i raise you. James harden james harden we talk about. James harden is defense all the time but you cannot tell me james harden. He's not gonna go down as a great in the nba. So say about james harden. We've gotta say the same thing about trae young and i'm looking at millo ball. And he's not. A great defender does far yet. Either so we are basis defense trae young far down on the list. His offense of ceiling is arguably just as high as anybody on this list ahead of him created shot with the best of them and it's literally about four. nba's hand to extend the three point line because of his ability to shoot from so far back with ease with ease so trae young should not be number sixteen on his list. Y'all a crazy number sixteen now. Let's go through the rest of his list. And i have another another name here. That is kinda wasn't mentioned in overall this. That i think should have gotten a shot out here and that name is rj buried rj. Barrett folks. and now. I know a lot of people have issues with rj. Buried entrusting him. But i still think the kiss pretty good and if there ever was a year that you should be paying attention to rj bert. This is the year rj berry. Julius randle el for pain amongst others have the knicks relevant. If you were to ask me post carmelo anthony with the knicks ever be relevant without a quote unquote superstar. I will say absolutely not. They need a big name to go with them but they don't have that quote unquote big-name rj. Buried is a has been reliable this year. But it's still a work in progress but yet he's got the the knicks relevant effort that reason alone. He got to be on this list over colin sexton colin jackson. Shout out to him. he's at number. Twenty five will be good player in his league. But i don't think he's going to have a better career to rj barrier. I believe rj berry ceiling to be tremendously higher. Then collins sexton so. That's a big name. That i think that's missing from this list. A big name a big name. So i mentioned before we got into this list that i will go over. Who will make the biggest leap and there's one name in particular that based off of this list if we're going off with their numbers who are believed to make the biggest jump. And i truly believe going through this list. A person has gone from an by jump. I mean going from the bottom. We'll say the bottom twenty to the top. Who can i see making that. Jump so off this list. Here we got lonzo ball at number twenty. Four collin section at twenty five jared allen at twenty three john collins twenty two deondraye eight minutes here and anthony edwards base off of this list. One name clearly stands out from me anthony edwards. I don't know if you as a casual fan or you as a die hard fan or you just you just the fan in general have been watching any of the minnesota minnesota timberwolves game lately. And if you haven't. I highly encourage you to do so. This man anthony. Edwards is a human highlight reel walking. He's been poster. Rising people probably has two of the nazis done. I've seen all year long. And he's managed to make himself relevant a missed a really good player. And karl anthony towns and in a year would he ngelo. Russell has struggled with health. You gotta give credits anthony hours. So i believe that's a name you guys got to be on lookout for to make a leap sometime here in the near future sometime here in the near future shots in the nba insider on this list nonetheless though and shot out to lamelo ball. I don't wanna just to come off. As i'm being harsh on him. I get the hype surrounding him. But sometimes it's a lot. And i do believe that a lot of these nba insiders in media personnel. Fallen victim to the hype train. And i do believe this in particular fell victim to it but put him at him at number three. Not the top twenty five under twenty five lamelo ball not being number three like i mentioned before some somewhere at six to eight range is more appropriate but top three. Nah not yet not yet our folks as we begin to wrap up this segment of the podcasts. We've got one more segment to go. It's your favorite segment. We're gonna come back. We're going to give someone their flowers right after this break. Are you looking for help your fantasy football team check out the gmc fantasy football podcast guineas best advice on who to start who to sit even who. You should draft from sleeper picks. Red hot lineups. They got it all covered for you thefts. Gsm see podcast. Dot com slash. Fantasy dash football dash podcasts. We'll cover traditionally dynasty few pr. Even ibp leads when you need fantasy. There's just one show to hit up. Don't forget to like them on facebook and follow them on twitter visit. Gs mc podcast dot com for more info. Welcome back folks. Welcome back to the gmc sports podcast. I'm your host scott. Thank you guys for joining us. Today's been a great show. Does far we opened the show talking about the masters tournament. The pga as a whole we didn't talk about meghan pinot versus draymond green. We didn't broke down and went all in detail for this. Espn twenty-five top twenty. Five hundred twenty five lists and now we've made it to your favorite part of the show. Your favorite my favorite. Our new favorite segment time to give someone their flowers. And if you're brand new to the show. This is a part of the show. Would we give someone. Their flowers is to figure of speech in which we're honoring someone giving someone their flowers paying respect to them while they still can it while they still can hear acknowledged it and be grace grateful of it. So we're here to give someone their flowers and today is no different today. We gotta give someone their flowers. And today i wanna flowers to the wnba. I made mentioned in the wnba earlier. In the show we talked about meghan remigino and the wnba. But today's folks. The wnba and nike are getting some flowers from us shack. Scott here the gmc. Sports podcast and gmc podcast network. We're here to give the wnba and nike their flowers. Why you may be asking. So why are we giving nike their flaws within the wnba flowers because today or if you whenever however you may be listening to this this this april eighth the wnba released their twenty twenty one twenty fifth anniversary celebration jerseys for the upcoming season and folks these are fi. Your fire fire emoji fire emoji. Fire emoji fire. If you haven't seen them yet please a highly encourage you go on social media right now. Look at these jerseys. Look them up. They are gorgeous or you can follow us on. Social media are gmc sports podcasts or all of our social media platforms. I'll be sure to tweet out a link and a picture of these jerseys and we us here. The gs empty sports. Podcasts wanna give the flowers to the wnba and nike for these jerseys not just for aesthetically pleasing but for the meaning behind them and then we're also going to break down some of my favorites and i'll tell you some of my not so favorites and and some that probably will be most likely to go out and purchase myself. But if but but i want to talk about these jerseys and it's twenty five years for the wnba. Let's celebrate that the twenty fifth anniversary of the wnba. I mentioned earlier megara. Gino was talking about draymond. Green and the women's pay disparaging disparity and the pay gap issues and inequality issue discrimination. That women face bus. Clap it out for the wnba for twenty one years. Excuse me for twenty five years. That's a big accomplishment and let me also know and she'll let you know this is still a young league this is still a young league so the growth. They seen. Thus far is amazing. We only got far more to go. So let's support while we can't support it. We're gonna stop by supporting him by reading this article. Here by the spn dot com. We're gonna shut out foreign 's espn w dot com an article that discusses the wnba twenty fifth anniversary versus jerseys and articles goes as follows. Glass ceilings in the space needle the nineteenth amendment inequality as part of the wnba twenty fifth anniversary season and twenty twenty. One players will wear new nike with individual individual messages and city specific flourishes for each of the twelve teams on thursday nike unveiled the collection which adds a highly anticipated third jersey option rebel addition to the teams heroin addition home and explorer edition. Away uniforms all of the job. Jerseys have a one out of one hundred forty four notation to represent the number of players in the wnba front numbers have returned for the first time since twenty fifteen white jerseys. We'll be back. Wnba previous uniforms have followed a template with only different color ways and sponsors sponsorships to distinguish them. The twenty one uniforms will include unique thoughts patterns and symbols. You can't minimize the impact that the third uniform is going to have on the overall aesthetic of the league chicago sky gar diamond deshields said when you make it to the professional level. You want to feel like that experiences. Elite part of that is definitely in the apparel and a uniform. I think that it's really going to be an eye opening and bring more attention to the season which ultimately is what we want. The uniform collection was designing consideration. Player feedback and league insights. The player feedback focused on the fifth of previous uniforms. And the need for differentiate differentiation across the league. I'ma gear persons worst nightmare. Because i suck. And i wrote and twist do everything else raining w nba mvp. Las vegas aces forward. Agia wilson. aj wilson. But you can tell nike was definitely like we're gonna try to make sure asia doesn't have to do any of that players in the wnba range in height from five four six two six foot nine and there's a variety of body types and season's pass. Many players have resorted to rolling their shorts and sucking their juries underneath the shoulder straps of their ethic bras to get their uniforms to fit right with the new uniforms. Players can choose between three necklines round neck v neck and a new hybrid victory neckline that is exclusive to the wnba. Shorts have been redesigned with more room to die in the gluts and the jerseys have wider armholes and a wider body to allow for more room in the abdomen and chest. I've always subscribed to look good. Feel good players. Seattle storm guard. Suber said if you fits right and it looks good you little more comfortable. Which means you're a little more confident. It sounds silly but it matters. In addition to the uniform nike also is releasing a suite of products in team colors of this t shirts pants hoodies. And more for players to customize their on court off court looks as well as seem thirteen collections. The first wnba fan apparel collection offer by nike right. Now we have. The biggest enlarged deepest women's organization focus on making sure we're tapping into all opportunities for her said sonja henning nike's vice president of league partnerships in north america and former wbz player. No surprise that led us to the most comprehensive wnba apparel offering nike has ever made probably the wnba has ever seen. They're gonna show up with the new practice gear. You travel gear. New lifestyle gear. Much of new payroll will be available to fans online through dick sporting goods which gave fans in inverted sneak peek. When some of the merchant merchandise made onto shows a few weeks early with leaks come conversations. Come storylines come. And i think that's good for growth suber said when something is league. There's an asteroid of importance. It's kind of cool to have a conversation around the wnba jersey filling that way and the article allows us to scroll and look at somebody's jerseys and before we talk about the jury's near aesthetic their look how about we shot out the the wnba and nike overall for doing this and something that was mentioned in this article as probably something that all of us don't even think about as a casual fan. Wnba players for years have had so roll up their jerseys to fit their body dimensions. Are you kidding me. A magic bron. James haven't so roll-up-the-sleeves of his jersey to his dimensions matter of fact when the nba released those jersey style. Jerseys where they had the sleeves to them when they had his sleeve. Jerseys remember bra ripping the jersey because it wasn't comfortable. How quickly that jersey go away. We didn't see jersey ever again. Those are those jersey. Did not make it past that year. That's quick turnaround on those the wnba however has had to make do with what they had and they're just now getting surges that fifties women's body dimensions in their athletic bras and and whatever you unique tweaked. They need to be made or just not being made this a shame. Great that we had but it's a shame they had to wait this long. So i'm interested to see the lasting effect is going to have on the wnba 'cause just from the outside looking in before we were looking at reading this article. Got me hype. It got me height to think that there are. The wnba is going to have the most comfortable. These women are going to fill in a court in a long long time is great. I agree with sue bird with the idea of look. Good feel good play. Good net goes on all aspects of life. I was raised that you dress for the job. You want present yourself the present yourself. Accordingly don't come looking looking like you just rolled out of bed so if the wnba players can look good play good because we already know they can play good. We already know they can play good. Now they're gonna look good in the process out to these women shot to them overall. Let's go back to the fact of nine nike talking about the options that these women are going gonna have. They went from having a standard uniform for all of them yet. Uniforms weren't completely trashed. They look pretty good but they definitely weren't on par with the nba. But now nike's offering these women different variations for necklines. They've got the choice from around venus and a hybrid victory neckline to only. Wnba is going to have. That's huge 'cause no you know what that says to me. That says nike believes in wnba. So we mentioned earlier in the show about resources and having companies buy into the women's sports this is buying in. this is how you make an impact. A huge organization like nike being a partner of the wnba already buying into the idea of these women being comfortable and looking good and playing good. That's huge is huge. And they didn't stop there. They could just stopped with the jury. These no no. They're bringing a suite of products. Outside of the jerseys. They got best. T shirts pants hoodies. So that off the court players can look good too and you know that brings more is in the social media area era. Everybody loves supposed to outfit got to go on a graham. This fit gotta go on a grim. This drippy this look good. This guy going around and bring is so when he's players show up to the game. We got hold designated kick cams outfit camps dedicated to player entrances. Now in the past. We didn't have that we got that. Now we all are are looking and either judging or applauding players like russell westbrook for the way comes into the game and now that shift is going over to the wnba and it's great. I love it. I love it i love it. I love it. It's about time. Give these women just do. It is about time. So now we can expect subur- to be extra drippy as you walk into. The game is already was but now we got more is owner. Now we got more is owner. Shut out to the women man. Shot up to the women all right so now. Let's go look at these man. Because if you have not at thomas record i i. I encourage you pause the episode. Look up these because these are these are fire. Fire completely fire. And you're gonna eight once you look at as you're gonna see okay. I see wash is give me the wnba in nike or flowers. You got to you. Got to all right so i'm going to try to do. My best. says this is the visual medium to describe what he's always looked like just from the outside looking in until you can get your own your your hands on what they look like yourself. So we're gonna start with the atlanta dream so we got a black jersey blue trim. At l. with the star right above the l the nike swoosh above the a and the numbers on the front guages looking jersey gorgeous gorgeous jersey gorgeous if some silver hughes near as well platinum and the description for the jersey says team may not may more noise a year ago than a dream and this special jersey comes with the thunder of black and blue the silver used throughout the top represent the platinum and gold records producing the city's vibrant music scene. So this is a shoutout to atlanta being the home for music right now so shout out to the atlanta Dream for that jersey so we go to the chicago sky and their jersey. We got a baby blue jersey. Who is jersey is fire jersey. Fire your description for the jersey. Well let me do my best to describe. I got i got looking at a baby blue jerseys we got some some pinstripes going through. It says town on the front nike swoosh number on the front white lettering gorgeous jersey gorgeous. The description goes and popping blue color. The skies screams for us. They talk about the ground. Breaking glass shattering. Women were compass things in the city of chicago. Did shield said that something very specific to the city does a lot of pride in the uniform now when we put them on it will feel much different. Shout out to the chicago sky now. Connecticut sun now. This jersey is very unique very unique because on the front of the jersey is the work kiosk kiosk. Now key suck on the front of the connecticut sun jersey. You may be saying what the heck does that mean. An and i highly encourage you again to go. Look at this for yourself will make a lot more sense but description says the sun's uniform inspire by the mohegan tribe featuring featuring the mohican were for sun key. Kiosk means son front and citizen. So that makes sense now. We know kiosk means sun. Therefore hits fourth key suskind being on the front of the connecticut sun jersey the pattern of the taping down the side of the not to the trail of life that connects past and future generations. That's dope that's dope we. We don't went into the indigenous tribe and the indigenous families and we're incorporating that into the nba of the wnba. that's huge. That's huge moving onto the dallas wings. ooh this is not my favorite jersey but still nice on the let nonetheless. I'm looking at a green jersey here and the description says this jersey is designed as roma's the war to p forty warhawks a plane manufactured in texas and test flown by women airforce service pilots as for that base color. We're told us military grade green. Now that's the only thing it kind of turns me off from new jersey just a shade of the jersey but having a background on now known as it's a not to the women airforce service pilots. I'm all in all in the dallas wings. Indiana fever now. This jersey is literally trending on twitter right now because because it is a stranger things theme jersey. So if you haven't seen the netflix hit show stranger things. I highly encourage you to look it up and you will see why the indiana fever nurses out apart. It's hard to miss the stranger. Things feel to the fevers rebel. Addition addition. the netflix series is set to the fictional town of hawkins indiana and these uniforms bring it all to life. The bow far reminds us of riding bikes stirring up trouble and try not to get caught any upside down. The indiana fever paid homage to the stranger. Things a fictional show. How dope is that folks. How dope is that. How dope is that. Shot up to the indiana fever shots in indiana fever. The las vegas aces are up. Nex they got a green a black jury some goats your morning and description goes the twenty twenty runners will debut an elegant blackberries with gold trim. That is adorned with tiny diamonds. A not to the plane. Cars founded vegas. Casinos is not just a different look. Wilson said it's pretty unique to us. It looks like a high end designer. That's vegas as a whole is high. End and entertainment. Shot out to las vegas and the las vegas aces. That's dope. we gotta los angeles sparks seared minnesota lynx. In the new york liberty phoenix mercury. seattle storm. Watch the mistakes and for the sake of time. I'm going to only cover the these. These last two and i highly encourage i keep saying highly. Encourage you to look this up yourself but new jersey's are pretty pretty to me and a stand out to me so we go to the new york liberty some looking at a baby blue jersey here. It looks like from my view. Some some teal and in pincus trim orchestras copper and word on the front says equality. Equality is on a fun of his early. In the description goes as follows. The liberties edition brings the heat with the vibrant color often associated with oxidized copper of the statue of liberty. Herself you for all hopkins miss out there. And our torch helps highlight the promise of equality for all that is the word equality on a front of his jersey. And the i for the word. Equality is the torch from the statue of liberty. How is that. How dope is that. That is cool. That is so cool so cool. I'm literally in all right now and the last year has yossi here. This just looked so cool to me is the jersey from the washington mystics on the front and says rise. We got some pink and blue going on here. Some piss action and it goes as follows. The rise panel on the front is meant to empower women. It's a rise up for what they believe in said tiny flynn nike's vice president of women's apparel design in the ship below that is the text of the nineteen th amendment which give which gave women the right to vote in the constitutional script. The women's wmba literally literally have taken upon themselves to incorporate women empowerment in so many ways and have included the nineteenth amendment and a jersey folks a jersey. I'm sorry if you're not as blown away as i am. But how can you not be folks. This is amazing. Amazing so we gotta give them their flowers. Give them their flowers. Women's wmba nike all vall created directors. All were involved in his whole entire process consultants body here your flowers from shy scott and us here the gmc sport podcast because you didn't amazing job. I'm absolutely blown away by this folks. This is amazing. Amazing out to the women. Shout out to nike shot to the wnba folks for listening. If you haven't already please look these these these jerseys. I'm going to be purchasing one as a matter of which one hands on if they don't sell out which one i get my hands hands on his quickest possible. Because i don't see glasses for long. 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The Hump! Podcast Ep. 21: Here For The Beer With Alana Gwinner

The HUMP!

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The Hump! Podcast Ep. 21: Here For The Beer With Alana Gwinner

"The harm episode twenty one here for the beer. Welcome to the your show about how to get one over in the same called life is Brent by one jab eland, and we have a special co host tonight, very special here. He's likes all fan. Boy shifts. Yeah. The biggest guest we've ever had now. Tom top three. I should have separated. You to really we should have chairs sweet. Admired. Her work for admired. Her were promoted so many people in her direction. And like good checker out. You need. Severe info this, the person this is the person ago to say which that is all that alone that squeaking over our co host tonight is apropos and probably the best introduction. A lot of winner. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah. We just have you on as a is the total guest host tonight, because all the topics we've just you're looking over the time to sit into the whole thing up. It's our favorite top one of our favorite topics. We'll be here. But she was also geeking out on some movie gushing, wherever too. So ready to rock the planet. Comecon. Well, so to give Alana her proper introduction Chad would probably love to do it next fifty minutes. But I'm gonna keep it. Maybe thirty seconds Alana is the proprietor of this little thing, called eleven three KC where she currently writes reviews, journals and keeps our Kansas City community up to date on the local craft beer scene. Allow welcome again. So we're gonna talk about all things craft beer tonight, which we normally discuss crappier, but not have this, not at nauseam. But tonight it's add, it's pretty much have nausea, which is awesome. We've had. A few episodes that are almost exclusively beer related Minneapolis. This one's we all dear because it's Kansas City we love this town, and we couldn't think of anybody better than you to bring on. Let's do the let's get into the entirety of Casey Bayer. So yes, that's, that's awesome. So what are we my man? What are we drinking tonight or this actually one that she promoted earlier this week? It's not only delicious from one of our favorite breweries, but it's per good cost. So it's Martin city rescue in mild ale. Okay. So ten percent of all the sales, go to the unleashed animal rescue. Okay. That's awesome. How do we know how long that beer is going to be out is like a limited release, or I think it is limited limited release but ten percent of the proceeds, go to unleash. That's that's awesome. I don't even know what it is. I think it's just a classified as a mild ale mild ale. All right. We'll has a reddish Bush, reddish, you. So what are, what are we toasting tonight? So we're tossing our guest. Let's go and toast the Lana. Joe's, here's a cool thing to about Alana because I was going to have you bring it onto the prob. She made a call for a friend to about some Hot Wheels cars, right? So until token of our listeners a little bit about that Chad, Chad twenty pack. Very, very 'cause Maureen at very philanthropic. Let's get behind that when you're not only love beer but you're helping others with a Hot Wheels car because it's flood related all the floods. Yes. So one of my close girlfriends, she lives in Nebraska. And they had all the flooding down there from the snow melting all the brain, and it just went wild and her five-year-old son, all of his Hot Wheels. His huge collection are all under water. And she said, you know, we were talking in what else would you need like new, we don't, don't eat anything and she brought a percent. He's like he's devastated that he lost his collection, and I'm like breaks, my heart. He can't, you know, as a child that has to be the worst thing in your entire life. So what can I do to build his up? So I asked everybody got some other tankers. Yes, yes. All of that's awesome. Yeah. Five find the bag. I believe we have a back somewhere around here is blocked bag. Now they made they're gonna look a little Jere than the lawns. Okay. Total like my brother's literally we had a collection. You know they were like the metal ones that from nineteen seventy two and the good ones. My two older. Brothers got into happy McCoy fight and did not talk for quite a while, because one of them said oh, he took my copy. They remind know their mind. What age did they get into this? This was ten years ago. So to one of them was in this forties, and the other was in his forties. Middle aged men behaving badly. Go back to your childhood. Yeah. Well, it's why cry during Toy Story Toy Story three I melt, like butter every time and he can't give up toys. It's bad hit is bad. All right. Obviously you give. Or what have you watching tonight? Grow up. Have you only listen although people hopefully have seen the blog post where they can see the size iota that got for Christmas one year. And you can't really tell the livestream, but his word to nineteen eighty five royals will champion. Yes. Which, again, that's opening day for the Royal day. Does that I believe they blonde to beginning of spring. Yeah, yours. They got rain delay. But I think they got the game. It looks like we might win that is nice put one on our notching her belt one hundred sixty one more. Ned Joost will be so happy. This game is over. So crumby. He's funny. He's doing Verizon commercials. He's not hurting. No, he's not hurting. I mean, just doesn't like to talk to the media any, he was talking about opening day and how he can eat. So pinning day because he's like, why are these people here? Like if he can play in front of three hundred people think you'd love it. Yeah. The owners might say, otherwise but yet. Yeah. They might have an issue with it. With the other thing, we're going to it. So it's beer related is YouTube or sitting in front of the boulevards assign boulevard is think this is the first light movie official movie collaboration between a beer and movie and boulevard sticking their space camper. PA. That'll be an added for him. We do this all the time. This is the space camper van released car. The release party in gems having a good time and struggled actually consume as beer in that, that they slowed me down. The astronaut lady was nice enough to let me our helmet. Yeah. So you're gonna be ready for the they're tying this into an X men movie. Right. Is that what you heard to tell us you want to tell? Put on the spot. No, we'll pass. It's about the dark Phoenix ever. That is laid by Sansa from game with her yet. Turn seen all the damage. The lead in its exit. It's no. Yeah. Go dark Phoenix. Still if you said, oh, you seen the movie do hope. He'd be like for Kazan that likes Sandra Bullock movie. No, no Star Wars. A new hope you gotta have the lead it, and you got to have the X men, dark. Okay. Bad now. You know, the other thing that's happening with that is AMC movie theaters is actually making that the beverage of choice in all of their theaters three hundred three hundred theaters across the nation. So that were run. Yeah, good round. And the rebranding the cans, it's like the promo with the movie art, which is pretty cool. Let's, let's Tomar brands boulevard, or Freddie, Dan or fringe boulevard, and this is not the first boulevard movie. Tie, though, I'll give you one, crisp dollar. If you can tell me the first not official, but they were in a movie before. So it was maybe it was maybe product placement, but not. And. Think about that one. Can you at least give us a hint on which beer? It wasn't a specific beer. It wasn't a specific glass. Big deal. It was local news for like two days. Wow. Let's keep the show rolling. It was. Ben athlete war, a boulevard t-shirt in gong girl. That's right. That would be was crazy. Good movie. This is why do not remember it is because I have seen the therapist about that movie. And I love that movie that move. It is good. But I saw that movie under special circumstances. It was on my wedding anniversary. Oh, shaimaa. Exactly. My wife's wanting beca, which who did not need. She secretly plotting to kill you think she is plotting to kill me but she's so fine. Removed. The center, armrest was like curling into me, and all that happened in oh, hell no. And push her. And we are saying that I it was. Mother-in-law's watching the kids, so we can stay down on the plaza g has that strange facination with murder porn, and like cheese. She is plotting to kill you. So I want to get freaky. Yeah. That's what that shows beyond freaky. Yeah, it is. That's every movie are good play good placement. So what we have going on a lot of what you have going on here. Next couple of weeks. Do you have a Vic spring break asked or kits already down spring break? Yup. So he didn't really do much just hung out. We'll stuck. Yes. Which is nice beer. Wise, would we home brought the note? Get some snapshots those pages, we need to get your small Smalley and get her. Fork. She get like a beer, we need it was like a beer tap. Tap half labor. So what's going on with what's on, like immediately spring fling? So beer, fests spring fling is food, spring fling and perk Ville, or the next to beer fest, that I would recommend going to in April because they're mostly home brewers. So don't really know much about our Homebrew scene. You can definitely taste things that are commercial are out there, very cool, and get meet people and just love bit, who's yellow beer, and they'll talk about it, and it's a great experience because they're so passionate about brewing. Beer. The science behind it, and then just the fun behind it in. It's just good time community. Yeah. Yeah. Or both of those events. They're both home brewers. Yes. So spring fling is north Kansas City? There will be. Few commercial breweries there. Select Rochester, dying to go to this place. Yes, it's like what I felt like Dow as could evolved into or. All right. I'm very excited. So they will they'll be there pouring. Soak it you to the envier or just coffee or beer or both possibly both. So I'm so excited about that one. Let's bring fleeing is April six. Run out and go Marcus. No. You cannot leave the studio. I'll just find it on her show. There's a tweet or ready. There's one jet. Yeah. Yeah. But that's going to get a market calendar for. Yes, let's next Saturday. Do it go and later in the evening. I think it's at five pm five to eight. To date. With Bill park Ville is April twenty seven or so that will have some commercial brewers that also a lot of home brewers to us. Really? Yes. Oh, yeah. The festival is one of. Okay. So amongst the home brewers. I would say park Ville in Nanno fest are like the two top brew fest, remembers than they love doing it is in the park along the river huts art. Yeah. Which was kind of funded one other them whenever here's wanting to go. You should go, okay? Okay. Very cool. Very cool to you, and I have not talked spring break real, not talk, but not about your trip. Yes, there was a brewery on your list, that you said you were going to get to hell or high water did Eappen, the high water happened failed fail. You failed it wasn't aimed of the burry. It's three sons three sons of this. We'll have. It was kind of a double double reason it didn't happen 'cause they're totally revamping and opening a whole new taproom. They haven't finished it yet. So they still have an old tap room, I guess, but it's kind of, like, you know, like they'll boulevard one small not very roomy. The newest must be awesome in the reason was it's thirty miles from where I was. Okay. So in south Florida time that's two and a half hours trip, you know, I know that all too, but I, I definitely had a sampling of the local brew in those wonderful. Speaking home brewers are Uber driver without we got there. He was talking about he does all these competitions whatnot, and he was talking about an almond. Joy stout that he Leary's. He's like he's different variations where he I it like almond flavoring, and he's like, just kinda keeps evolving. Son equipped Alicia, literally, it was a forty five minute who've arrived multi started talking beer. He. You cracked him open and it was flow. Crime because all believes. Wait. Interesting guy, though, it was, like our liquor Orleans Uber. Once we got him wound up about tourism. It was. People love their hold cities, respect. Much respect will, so I enjoyed and you got the preview he was jealous of your early early preview. I had not been desert city barrel until last week. I'll, but what do you think I loved it? I within fifteen seconds, think I was a card carrying member. They basically walked up, you're like, I'm a member number t shirt will the t shirt and all that matter of fact, originally, we're going to ask you to wear your city barrel t shirt, and we're gonna wear a t shirt oh, gonna fort, we all kind of royals for native, which is probably more appropriate. But yeah, it's such a cool idea. The concepts great. I can't believe nobody else come up with yet, but they have these little wooden membership cards, and you get access to special beers that hidden wrong kind of cool. It's very JAMES BOND. Yeah. I mean this very cool. Great place. Yeah. The bears were the beers were good. The food was really good. He was he raised the bar because Chen race of our brewing imperial the foods. I, I love the food there. And then he said the food's right there, even notch above. And so I was impressed with the food space has so much potential spaces cools or even has more as my only they need outdoor space, especially springs common. There's no we're trying. So you up stairs barrel area. Yeah. So there's kind of that middle area, that's cool. So that necessarily wasn't like that, when they first started there, build out, so it wasn't the plans, but now it's kind of all they're, and they're trying to put it in the plans of the landlords. They can have a patio right there. Nice. That was the one. This is their kind of laying lock. They of that other somebody else what they're on the on the south side. Yeah. And then on. That's yeah. Yeah. We went Friday night deliberately. Got there early. Swing could have that one long table. That's right by the garage door. And then I was like sixty degrees over that up. You're such a nerve, you were there for the official. I like customer opening of the garage doors. You had. Yeah. Unless the open the garage doors wallows. We'd have any more days. So I like to think that you're the first customer, I wanna ask to have the sunlight shine on your literally, our Jordan was winter. I didn't care shining sprees here. Yeah. No, it was awesome good enough for awesome space. So anybody we were talking about earlier anybody going to play in the Comecon that's going on this weekend? You wanna drag drag the kids, I, I really want to, but I've pinewood derby on Saturday. Oh on onward derby finish early. If you make sure the car sucks. That. He could still claim a gun Moco a five-time dirty champion. Like I love the pinewood derby. I this is spoken for somebody if we went into the other room next door the store, dream, you can still find the remnants of his would derby cars, where it still three and four in the morning. Sanding him. Oh, yeah. And he took first that year. Yeah, but it wasn't really about the it was about a dad did. Well so a win for producers win for except outs times change played in a basketball tournament last weekend and he was like that you're gonna help coach this week. No, I want to be able to go home. Go see us your mom and he wanted to go see us too. So we're gonna make sure you lose the first game. And he can. Shake. He does you didn't care because he had friends go the movie. Tune in you. Right. Heartbroken goes three derby. Screw kid. We gotta move to lose. Flus. Oh, speaking of the better side of me though. The, the other things that are going on is for Friday's right next weekend. That button would've met. So I wish that Casey, what cancer the audiences on the outcome. The board for the your kids would be the right age. They do arts integration all throughout the city. It's been around for sixty years. And this last two years, we've got our own building now at thirty seven than mainstreet cool north of the plaza in there at thirtieth, and Maine, we've got a big event, going on at the but would art gallery for fry. It goes until the Brill, but too big moments once huge were partnering with just was announced yesterday were partnering with this organization. The you stab this event were seventeen thousand kids would come to Tennessee. It's called destination imagination. They all compete in our contests. That are stem related. So it's, it's like drill like mixing drowns with art like mixed media. It's, it's, it's wild all across the world. Seventeen thousand kids are gonna come here. The end of may, and we have a hundred fifty artists. It's like televised. And it's crazy. So we worked with visits the yet and a bunch in the mayor's office to bring this event to can't it's moved from Tennessee, and moved to Kansas City, so yeah, that's huge show. People all be sharing folks will be cheering a lot more about that. And yeah, talking to a lot of media about that. And then the, the other thing we've got going on is just announced that, Tony if you're Hamilton fan like my daughter, loves music, Hamilton Renee, Elise gold Sperry who was one of the original Tony award winning actresses in Amilton were bringing with the symphony in September. So really that Fraley need. Tickets will go fast. So that's the better side of me. After after all the dark side loving my son LUSA. I'm gonna balance. Yes. That's true. You're yang. Yes, there's the there's the the end. So let's we're gonna talk about lectu Alie know what we're gonna start with a little bit of goodness. So we were talking about your philanthropic nature. Yeah. Aside from the beer, so we, we don't know much about your real vocation other than I mean, we think this is real vocation. You wanna you wanna hit this one. Yeah, I remember reading kinds of stuff on social media, when the government shutdown was going on. And you kind of seem like you were key in organizing some, some help to furloughed employees and whatnot like, what, what happened there, you know, brag a little bit toes. Okay. So it was actually Danny who is a former DJ of the buzz. He tweeted out something about, like, you know, because people are giving away like restaurants or saying it was during restaurant week in. They were saying, you know, we'll come in, and we'll give you a free meal, and he said something like, no, that's great. But what else can we do? And I was just like gosh, that's so true, what else can we do? So then I put a call on my personal Facebook, and it was just like, is there anyone who can help me organize this and get it rolling? And then Kevin Chris, from crane were like in, let's do this. What do we need to do? So then we all brainstormed and Kevin got all the other businesses too. To be involved in like freaking do it. Let's set up these spots to have people donate in. Let's at the end of it. So the spot crane have people just come in grab whatever they need so awesome. So you collected things for people in need now was her Nevada tied to this to our remember seeing you on TV. Were on. I, I remember seeing your mug on television at federal and seeing the lower third person helping federal workers been no context he. Yeah. So after we like, we think took donations for two maybe three weeks. And at the end of it Danny de Jade like back in the barrel, room of crane. He d- Jade, and we had several tables, laid out of just canned goods dog food diapers body wash all, you know, people need. Yeah. Five, and then we had it run from, I think, like four to eight time and people could just come and go over the pleased. When I got there kind of leader, 'cause I had to go pick up my kids, but, I guess, like right at four they had a good group of people in one lady was picking things up and was so grateful and speechless, and just crying that people were actually wanting to help and. Awesome. Most little micro breweries in can't say involve like Burri imperial, and you had a lot of people involved. Yeah. It's, it's weird. I mean, it's weird to think about, you know, the we've already kinda hit on this couple times beer community and Chad. Our actually reflecting on that when we were, we were at city barrel, because we were talking about you think about some of the older craft brew. You know, microbreweries my wife actually beca used to work at pony express. Wow. So all the like nine we're talking nineties lower before credit bureaus thing was thing. You know, so. I mean, this body was made by pony express it, and we were just talking about, I don't know why that was relevant to it really wasn't relevant to the story. But. Bill. But we were just talking about you're talking about double shift being one of the, the older brewery places. Now, when you think about it with all the increase in just and how boulevard loan them some of the equipment to get started. It really is a community. Yeah. And you're you've gotten yourself really entrenched in the community where your bit of influencing. So you make a couple calls and say, hey, we can do better. You know. Yeah. Out, let's do something. And then you got people that move to act, which is really cool. And if you ever think about that without beer, I would not not isn't that weird the nectar beers, the connector, the great collaborator? Right. You know that it's also like I feel I built this platform that you have this platform, you should use it for good in not selfish way. So I want to be able to help people, However, I can, that's like the true definition of community like. We're here for each other. Let's help those that are needing you know, feeling rise rising tide lifts all boats kind of approach. And so, yeah, and that's I'm glad you look at it that way around. You've got this platform now you're able to do that. Well, let's, let's talk a little bit about that. That platform. So the sweet nectar that were drinking and love, truly love hear what was the what was the beer that, that convinced you you're saying yourself, I'm gonna dedicate my time in my life to this to this. Good use. I don't think it was a beer itself. It was just one weekend few years ago, my boyfriend. I really like what's what's going on this weekend? You'll let shoe we do you know, trying to look to see going all these different places to find out what's going on, on a Saturday night like, man, this is way too time consuming. So then we were just like. Let's just do it in condense it like let's just put it together. So there has to be other people out there who want the same thing. He's like, why can't we do that? None like. Okay. Then he he's the tapper manager apex, all that started rolling and stuff. He kinda like backed way and I've been doing by myself, but, you know. Nice. Yeah, it was you going out looking to be social and. Yeah. Here we go which it's, it's interesting. You, you don't really discussing styles though a little bit online. Yeah. You don't really discriminate except for one. Yes. Like one, it's not love of it now, so into everybody's allowed one they can right. Like, right now, maybe I might have to separate the two of you. If we start discussing it. Really don't have one anymore. The you don't like thorough fun yet. I'm good. I don't discriminate generally preferences, you know, me, and it's worth seasonally. Yeah. Like, we're now moving from my dark beer period, from winter is over. So go something lighter. Yes lighter. So we seems like you're also involved. I know you coordinate meet ups, you had one at flying saucer with lake female beer. Theseus get togethers and tastings and whatnot. How did you guys do that? So I was approached by find saucer and they're like, hey, we really like what you're doing. What can we do together? And I was talking, I was like, you know, I am a part of mom groups. And I know all the time. They're the, the women are talking about how they wanna let's have a girls night. Let's have this. Let's that, you know, nothing really comes to few tation. 'cause always comes up, you know. So then I told them about it, and they're like, let's start like a mom site out. Then we just change it to women site out 'cause, you know, sometimes it's hard for mom, get night out. So we just change it known all women deserve a night out. Yeah. Yes agree. You know, we sometimes we right? Big better. You're better company than. So we started it November last year was our first meeting. It's every second Monday of the month and it's not necessarily just four craft beer enthusiasts. It's for women who enjoy beer who are willing to learn more about beer and kind of want to branch out of their comfort zone in the flavors in styles that we taste in learn about we've learned about women beer, kind of gods goddesses in vir, which is really interesting kind of wartimes in beer, and we're I'm also wanting to take our group kind of on an adventure. Kansas City, learn more not just about, you know, history of beer or the style of beer, the taste of your you know what, what do you like more like behind the scenes? So we are actually going to be. Brewing beer with call sign. Yes. To help those women. You know, learn this is the process to get to this, you know, what's in your glass, drinking and way to enjoy beer to me, as my, my, what Becca bought me veer bible. Yeah. And I think it within the first thirty pages said it was pretty much put this book down. If you really wanna learn the best way to enjoy beer, learn how to brew beer, right? Prettier laboring. Enjoy it. And I hope that, that brewing, the veer, and like all of that helps the women like giving them some confidence like I can do this on my own 'cause it's you can easily brew a batch of beer at home too. You know, you just need a big pot in water and grain Multan office. But I make some oatmeal. Niessen separate it puts me take the oatmeal, water puts me Senate and other stuff. Right. Beer. So call sign, you know, they've got they name each of their beers after Esat aircraft's. Right. So the already have a name picked out on your of the this, this beer, yet to being produced question. I told shandra who's the co owner their call sign she's going to be helping us brew it that she can decide, you know, and she is kind of going back and forth. I think, but she did suggest wasp, so waas is the women airforce service pilots from I think the forties kinda go after that. But it's going to be a waffle inspired beer. So she did a test batch breakfast beer. Yes. And it's an ale. So it's very light, but it's also kinda sweeter. But it tastes just like LEGO or an eggo waffle, like it's toasted. There's maple like it's really good to get like a chicken food truck into like a little tiny on the EM. Waffles lake. All right. He's already like. About chicken. All of them, but was cool too. It's one of the forthcoming breweries is, is service or service, still, it's a beer, everybody. There's women brought by women like it's super cool. Like if you follow him on Twitter, Instagram, I'm being they're going to do some awesome stuff. It's Elliot burgeoning area Johnson, Dr of transport, and you're gonna have sand hill, and I can't keep up any more. That's why we're having. Double shift, open or. And now we're gonna have like thirty by the end of the year. I'm really almost killed myself when I did the last tour. I got to nineteen I think the City Kansas city your own. Call. Hinson like we can't even keep wait till the last two weeks to do. Entire that's your. Do those anymore do that? They did not do it there'd season. And I swear I need to talk to the folks over. Visit gave the I swear that it's because like too many breweries we're gonna we're hurting people in this going to turn into bad. PR. Arth. Hospitalize vis-a-vis tour, three there's another company Kansas City passport. I think that has won this. We saw them Ovar actually they were out, but it's not exclusively beers. Is that I think it's, it's got other cocktail restaurant. Maybe they did just produce one that's all just beer but it it's not just brewery. So I know it flying courses on their bricks on their smother some other pubs. Yeah. While those while the pizza, the pizza's, a great place to get the day's rebound KBS at one day. We're like, what the hell did vulgar pizza? We're going to be the wall, eleven wiz. Eleven this Saturday to Saturday. It were standing there waiting even open debt. We went on my. Do you know we're just start? Right. We'll go from there but we just eaten somewhere else. We had breakfast. Better to this. Like we were so stupid. Oh, that's so funny. Oh, so obviously, we get excited about beer. What has you really excited? I mean you've talked about the call sign project. That's awesome. By the way, really awesome. And I know through the grapevine there smother cool things happened in a call sign too. So you not talk about those because I don't think those are public yet but. Off on you'll be here for. It's just after tape, you know, veer secrets without me you bitch. We'll be seeking. Okay. What, what else has you excited about two thousand nineteen? I know it's hard. But if you're lame like three things, and then ask for forgiveness later because you out. Just the ever growing brewery seen, like I really with how many breweries are popping around Kansas City between two Pika to Kansas City. It's amazing. So many people are dedicating their lives to this. But also, it's going to bring the midwest more on the math. So I know a lot of people can't see always traveled to Saint Louis for side project near second shift perennial, but it's like we're growing something, and it's going to be talked about. And people are going to be coming to Kansas City nation when we were. Yeah. Heading minneap where we going, we're going to Minneapolis, because we get some good beer people thinking about Kansas City. Simul yes. Yeah. So little crossroads area. You can hit like eight of them. Now Lisi they Elia even more you start roping in strange days. And let's perching opens. There's a flip side to that, too. I've to ask you because all they're always good things that we love the come to an end. What's, maybe, what's come to an end the doors hearing last year because that's the one thing I worry about with the size of our market by comedy places. Can we truly sustain, you know, and there have been some places I know that shuttered the doors, but it's like maybe one that broke your heart and last year, the closer doors probably colony liftin love the shit their shit. They made that shift, close doors just change vivid smile vivid as yet. I, I know Rodney's doing fine now like he's, you know, bring tips Hebrew, and all that stuff. He he made great beers there and, you know, and it was. Yeah. Like he made this cinnamon toast, crunch, Dow, and it was probably one of my favorite beers. I had all last year. And now I can't ever again. I know rob, you might be yet again. But yeah. Wrestling. But it was just like when I heard that, and I you know, obviously, I kind of knew it was coming, but it was just like paying that sucks. 'cause they were doing so well and. You know is what is? Give it back at some point. If he loves it on the time. Right. But what, so what beer festivals? We went to the what a Union Station was proof Casey grew fast, which was awesome. Yeah. I was I was surprised. I enjoyed that as much as I building in the space was great and pets really good burglaries. I mean we enjoyed that one quite a bit. But what other ones are coming up. Bring in summer. So you mentioned the Nanto Peru kind of the over the over vast about some of the other more conventional Varda. You have been about boulevard as much as the beer itself is the music, lot of gas, just the news. A great lineup. Yeah. Cool area. I still like in the westbound. Yeah, I'm west bottoms better because you get some shade, at least. But yeah, I like in the stockyards. Well, there is a Bruin chew that is being hosted by east forty so it would be their second one. Have you guys gone out to east of been out there tried to play ski ball kids broken, it wasn't happy? Let the beer was excellent because they're the ones that have the second breakfast. Oh, yeah. I ask, I'm a big fan of three breakfasts. So I asked if I could have a third, and they note we only do the two breakfasts so yes, I actually been with him on days. Three breakfasts. It's good. But I said, you have breakfast is good. And other beers. Good. The space is really cool. It's rare ski ball work, but it wasn't their fault. They were literally some kids over there before they have wedge, something in the machine. Shantz agreed great. You're great. You're pissed, you didn't get place. T-ball where you where you. It's funny. There's one coming up that I'm really excited about. So it's a Katter day cat crawl in the crossroads. So it's like brew imperial city barrel. Casey Wyan works. I think few others, but it is to help the cats at Casey pet project, and it's the first ever like cat crawl and I like Alec cats. So I'm excited about that. Actually, look the cats now we don't get the crawl Colonel. So june. First is get ripped. So have you guys been too big writ? Okay. So they have their own little festival. It's a lot smaller than most beer fest, but it's commercial brewers. It's more intimate, and I poured for apex, help APEC Saucier, and it was just such a great time. They've banned the wiener dog races. And they have food like they're right next door to hog Josse. You can just get far accuse that we look through calendar last year. Okay. Remember that big reveal or yeah. Reveal launch of your beer calendar last year. Okay. I remember that I like big riffs. Yeah. Okay. So if you're like them to there, that would be a good like starter beer fest further. Like if you were taking someone you know, he just turned twenty one I would recommend going to it smaller. You're not gonna get super wasted. You'll have a good time. The cool thing about microbreweries and stuff those they can have their own personality, big rips. Like yet. They're the ones the X files. Yeah. You know, everyone has player and they kind of zero in call sign with the, you know, the military, which is very cool. But. You want. Yeah brand. That's cool. Yeah, I have not been to. I've not been to any of those will you said the inaugural. The, the beer few. Yeah. The pet the, the KC or the cat one. Yes. The inaugural. That's not been done now. Yeah. It's the first one. Okay. Yeah. And the big rip when I remember seeing okay, that's cool event, but not been up into boulevard been to whole time yet. Okay. And folks can find those are just three that you mentioned. I remember you Cindy out a list yet about third, it seemed like thirty. Yes, there are tons. There's one more. I want to talk about August. Third is hip hop suray, so there are home brewers. There's commercial brewers. But it is the hope I pronounce correctly daily on. Venue. It's admit town like bourbon, so many of those popped up to I actually think which one, you're talking kind of wedding venue. But the they put it on. So it's Woody in Abby bonds, who hosted, I believe this is their third year doing it, but they kinda incorporate hip hop urban culture to, you know, get more people introduced into craft beer who are who's kind of afraid of it for the night. Think that's fine. Also kind of in, in midtown necessarily at a brewery, or Kim the fringes of the city. Yeah. Right. Right, there wells for the of boulevards rationale for Hulu. Yeah. To start to introduce craft beer too. Yeah. Non craft beer drinkers, and then obviously, they're coming out with the consensus in the sparkling water. Whatever that's yeah. Reserved. Yeah, whatever the Saudi glittering it. I know. But it's. It's not, but traditions come back out though it wasn't done. No China playoff. Boulevard are masters, at, you know, foam. Oh, yeah. I mean they are so good at that. Spice camper, you'll never be able to get into out now. Relicensing it with the. The good tree. Hey you boulevard. We love you. Awkward league time literally. Test beer all gonna be here once until we lost. We just came out with this. I like to think that help them develop their tests beers. You, you probably. Probably had spent enough Fridays there. So we talked about big Ripley talked a little bit about the calendar and your launch the calendar. So once you tell tell listeners a little bit about that, when one of notice, money your ladies night out. You've made a call to them for sounds like their plans for twenty twenty version. Right. So, so what's going on with the with calendar? I was kinda selfishly hoping you have one, extra one you're gonna. Fairly fail fail. I failed. So I didn't ask that's my fault for not asking would have I have two left and I still have to give one degreen room because I have and willing to left. You gotta keep one for the portfolio. So it started. Because again with my platform, I want to kind of do good for Kansas City in get more people out of their comfort zones into an hey, do you know that we have all these breweries in town mo-? No, I don't know that. So my first calendar was. Eleven breweries, but Rockin run closed in colony is not no longer serving craft beer or their own beer. So we're down to nine of my first. The service of lasting as long as the damn Gallus, right. Like. Hopefully this right after it was launched to go or close in, like, oh. Thanks guys. No. But it was more focused kind of amrried every little area. So there is the summit independence. River market can city. Brookside WALDO lenexa kind of Westport cutters all over the place that people know like, oh, I can go here. And there's very they're kind of thing. And it did. Okay. You know, however, counters go this year is going to be focused on all women all in brewers Swe have six home brewers. And then we have two of which. Sloane who also owns Quinta coffee. So she Homebrew beer, and she works, she's worked at several breeze, but she also owns a coffee business to now and then Cheryl, who owns boozy botanical 's, so as the syrups that you can at your beer, cocktails, but then we also have Erica down. She makes wine at Nighthawk winery down fail. And then we have three big rig shandra from call sign Emily from cinderblock melody from not lost, which I have not come out there yet in Ottawa, the just a while. They just open. Yeah, there's always a new breed is opening who radio. So while back in Emporia precedent put belly. I've heard things I haven't got yet. The. Will what it reminded me of. It's as much about food service. The beer was really good. It reminded me a seventy fishery burry pretty it'd be fair. That's a so I mean really nice, kind of college town fam-. There are a lot of families, and there was a family friendly atmosphere. Good food, remind very much seventy eighth. Yeah. Let's call so all women brewers. Yes. Will be featured. Yes. 'cause I you know, when people talk about think about beer. They automatically assume a man bird. It men drink it, you know, like we don't really think about the women who drink beer who've make beer or wine, or, you know. Spirits, all those things and a lot of women that do to maybe even more than men. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe more than that. I mean that's interesting. Even just you able to rattle off non pretty quickly. Yeah. Nine on sitting there thing I just saw a spot on so Becca loves beer but she also gotten her to drink Brown liquor to Swiss main, forget, who the story. It's a banana at restless yet restless, yet I was thinking it was right over by big rip. They just did a pro folks. She's a former science teacher. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like loved the spot. The they, they said, she's the only woman in town that's kinda like contingents Brown. One making bourbon Intel, but it's here, they're all these brew masters and brewers that are female. That's that's awesome. And for you to be able to profile them. Yeah. So from a distribution standpoint, how do you handle distribution of last counter? That's like you did pretty well. You still me you hit your target. You probably would still have a market and you, you only have two left. Yeah. You didn't eat it. All right. How you gonna distributed pilots Hemley just kind of like put it out there. People wanted to buy online all ship to a strange days had bought several four, they're like membership club Boca 'cause they were featured in it. So they bought several to to five similar breweries bought it, and they. And then figured out a way to distribute it on their end. Yeah. And I'm also. I wanna do something a little more with this calendar kinda get more incentive for people to buy. It's just I need to get off my ass. And actually do I want to get coupons to put into it for like twelve different your little passport thing grid idea? So people could be like like this. And then this month, I can go here this month ago here, it's a cool car. That's one thing I really did enjoy about the top tour is if I hadn't been very they had recommended beer to try. Yeah. Right. The brew master recommended that they put into hopefully it wasn't the one that they had a tankful that have been sitting there for a while. Right. The truly recommended and said this one you've got if you're only gonna have one this one to try. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be cool to do that. I like it that personal touch. Yeah. Yeah. The personal touch. So last official question is I- are talking about the been going to the grocery stores, and I've been hobbling around last couple days needed to get some pain relief? So I walked into the high be and they had a huge sign heavy beer is here. April one. House else is. Good. What are you, what are your thoughts on the grocery? They happen me. If you've traveled around the country, or live in Missouri, or Missouri. I mean but on the Kansas Kansas side. Interesting. I mean, will we give an I lived in Kansas? We're old enough. Drug Hilliker Raleigh, liquor, which is still there. Yes. They're very recently, Canadian breakfast. Yeah, we did a tour all over the city to get Canadian breakfast now and get as much as good, but we go Royal liquor quite a bit more often than we than we do. So any any thoughts about that? I mean to, you know, there's a good liquor store wide, casually. Go to get a good bottle like special release, or some small small liquor shop Mahoney's at one hundred thirty fifth and Sweitzer just down the street down here night, super nice guys. Yeah, I staff. And I sit and I think about them, you know, tied to the type of that kind of thing. So what I mean you've been on the desert, aside their thoughts. Anybody saying they thing over there about Kansas just about the time. Yes. I mean, it is like, why, why not just just bring more profit to those businesses like to those grocery stores, just like like whole foods down the one kind of close by the pas. How they have their own little bar grocery shop, and drink beer. And what hy-vee to the bar that you can have drink in, so why not sell heavy beers, a will whole foods even later. They've been progressive because the lawn what other call that the lone hill taproom room and olathe. I've gone there. They've attack takeovers. Yeah, they do. Yeah. All river and they've had some good ones. But yeah, yeah. I mean to quote, mayor sly James like caves as never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Finally got on board. So it's you know it's welcoming to be in the twenty percent. I agree. I don't think it's going to hurt anybody know and plus that way you guys don't have to drive all over the city. Trying to find you know that special beer that hit. I mean, unless it was only distributed in Missouri, but. And I would tell depending on the place. What was into on the Missouri side, Geno? When we did the CBS run. I think the place we're most impressed by with the high be that's their on line. Yeah. We're the actual grocery stores on the Kansas side. But the liquor side on the Missouri side, we didn't know that they have a, they have a loyalty program where you get ten bombers. I'm like, what I had no idea. She come east. More off. Go east plenty. I just never stopped there. Yeah. Yeah. Let's fricking cool when you're close, you probably freak with you're nodding people. This audio. They cannot hear your head rat. You're reveling your hand right now. I also I live right down the street from Mike's eighty immortal. Which is also great because I can drive there or can stay home and just order from drizzly and have it delivered to my house. We had. No. That could happen. On the Missouri side, I know out gall, the you know what? Yes. Yes. Pointing harder. Mike's has partnered with drizzly an alcohol delivery service. And if you live between, you know, the predators, and I think it's from WALDO all the way close to river market. You can go on your app, and I wouldn't order this, this and then. How old exte- minutes, though. Bring it to you. So what you gotta wait sixty minutes to get it. Well, they have to pick it out. And then derive? See what you get rid of the Jones county house had been really downtown to your law. You never even have to leave the law. I'm moving now. Tearing latest or pissing off the side of the wall drinking. I know things. Yeah, totally totally it speaking about drinking. No and things we ready for triple eight. Let's do it this week. No, no, no. You want me to go and do it. Okay. So for folks who may be listening or watching for the first time. Play this little game, triple D. And what we do is we throw out a scenario and discuss, whether it's new dumb ass move. And we oftentimes will we have a guest allow the guest who submit the, the triple the question, which is the case with Alana's? Thank you for the submission clunk as this week's triple deemed move is what do you call someone who likes to stroll into the beer, all or tasting room? I may have been Belet a little bit. I think through the stroll in just to add to the of course a stroll. Yeah. Who likes to stroll into the beer all tasted groom. And namedrop the burry owner. I would clear I explain this tobacco and she went hord do. And she goes, you've CHAD'S done it. No clearly. I mean I go into boulevard and mentioned John McDonald's name, but shit. Five still six fifty. Now it's a hard dish. It's deuce and I probably have done it. But it may have even been. And I mentioned this to Alana one this horrible. Done that before. And I was sitting there thinking, we thought we were doing a PSA for others. But maybe this situation. This really us. We talked, we all have dig do demos Kinsey, just you try to minimize and, you know, well, I feel better about it. And now because I may have mentioned the brewery owner when back actually worked at the very zen give you a pass, if you have family members of work, the burry I think so. Okay. Late in life. You don't know. You're still a do get into like to your wife. I mean, if it's in a sentence or something, but if you're doing it to elicit hopes to getting either to be cool, or to get a freebie, then street cribs freebie. That's when it becomes Dushi. Yeah. Okay. What do you think producer? These. You know what to sh- means though? You've sat through enough of these. Keep it playing. Let's keep in movies been given a good education. So we're saying do, yeah. Do deaf douche. I'm gonna go with that, too. This is a hard dish are due to move, so folks, let us know Hebrew. Clint keep it relatively clean. 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Sporting Fashion, part 2, an interview with Christina Johnson and Kevin Jones

Dressed: The History of Fashion

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Sporting Fashion, part 2, an interview with Christina Johnson and Kevin Jones

"There's games you play a low then. There's games that bring you together. Forging friendships out of friendly competition. June's journey is one of those games. Thirty million fans have downloaded june's journey putting their detective skills to the test to help. June parker solve the murder of her sister. They're seeking find hidden pictures. Spot the difference challenges and so much more fun all set in the glamorous nineteen twenties download. June's journey now for free on your favorite app store and on desktop through amazon and facebook. We all have one that unwelcome guests. That just won't go away. And of course i'm talking about the nuisance odor that you just can't get rid of no matter. How many senate candles you light or air. Fresheners that you spray. And that's why i've added fresh wave to my regular cleaning routine musty basements funky fitness gear last night's recipe experiment. No matter what their problem odor fresh wave can solve it. Plus fresh wave sprays and slow release gels absorb odors using safe plant based ingredients so i can feel good about what my household is breeding in so kick unwelcome odors to the curb with fresh wave. Years at target bed bath and beyond amazon. Fresh wave works dot com dress. The history of fashion is the production of iheartradio seven billion people in the world. We all have one thing in every day. We all get dressed. Welcome to dressed the history of fashion a podcast that explores the who what when we wear. We are fashion historians and your hosts cassidy zachary an april callaghan. Welcome back dressed listener. I two part two of our discussion of the exhibition and accompanying tour de force. Catalog get your hands on it now. Entitled sporting fashion outdoor girls eighteen hundred to nineteen sixty and originally slated to open in twenty twenty. The exhibition is now on tour in the us and will actually conclude its run at his home institution at the fitter museum at the fashion institute of design and merchandising in los angeles in twenty twenty four so today we welcome back the team responsible for this groundbreaking survey of sports women and the garments and accessories. Outdoor girls have warned for competition and play for more than one hundred and fifty years and encompassing seven hundred objects and ten years in the making a round of applause for kevin jones curator and christina johnson. Associate curator at the f. i. d. m. fit a museum. Welcome back dressed. We jump right back into our discussion with some of our favorite objects and speaking fantastic fines. I simply cannot pass up the opportunity to discuss another ensemble in the subzero style. Section with you. We've of course done an entire episode on driving fashion so it might sound familiar to some of our listeners. There's this fantastic winter ensemble from the nineteen. Ten's this era is one of both my april's favorite periods of fashion history. This outfit is actually rather frightening. We've discussed these motoring ensembles in the past mail. Journalists in particular how to really hard time coming to terms with something that hit women from view and made them so incredibly quote unquote unattractive despite the necessity of these garments. That really covered a woman from head to toe. I'd love if you could describe this ensemble for listeners and talk about the need for quote unquote auto face. Oh we love our nineteen. Ten's winter motoring ensemble. This would have been worn by a lady driver in her new car. And it's this great leather coat. This is on page two to three of the catalog. The leather coat is russian in inspiration russian cossack and it has these great big buttons and loops that are symmetrical in groups of three puffed sleeves. Wide cops of for she has her over boots on. She would have worn shoes or boots underneath these larger warmer boots and this wonderful red fox fur hat and veil but the auto phase is. What really makes the impression you know. The thing is what we think of. Cars is being enclosed today and they were not in the late late late nineteenth century and early twentieth century. Obviously it comes out of the carriage trade industry You know these cars were a lot of the main body was would. it was very heavy. It wasn't like the plastics. We have today or even lighter weight metals and so they were heavy and gonna be engines. You know at the time and it was kind of more like a lawn mower engine in these things so they needed to lighten the cars as much as possible. And so they had you know. Adjustable canvas hoods that would come up not fully enclosed that that you see kind of post world war one so you you are really exposed to the elements and also there was no if it was sweltering outside. You're sweltering in your car if it was freezing inside you're freezing your car in it. Had the enclosed environment where you could control kind of the temperature inside so obviously. This is a woman who is not in the sahara desert. I mean she is like in the middle of montana at forty degree below weather. And i'm sure she's loving that she's got this. Massive photon. that is heavy. And it's because it is completely lined in sheepskin timing the sleeves. Pockets everything the thin. That's kind of a tragedy about it as it was labeled in somebody had the label out so we have this beautiful ass. And that's it that's all we have the labels so we don't know where this was from. We don't never made it but it's about nineteen fourteen. Nine hundred fifteen and not only what you needed Attacked her body from the cold. But also with protect her fashionable garments that she would be wearing where is driving. Because you know she is in an open car so you're kicking up dust and dirt and debris and election and stuff so you know she takes code off and then she'd have her nice pristine outfit underneath. But you would also want to protect your face your skin you know. She's she does have these huge gauntlet gloves on that. Protect her hands and she's got the scarf on to help. Hold the hat on but also to protect her hair keep it clean and give her a little bit more warmth there and just this auto face. It was just another one of those. Many many patents hid fashion elements. That people were trying to invent that. They hope would catch on. That would serve a purpose and most of them went by the wayside. They were not practical or whatever. But i was able to find the patent for the auto face and on the inside. It has the numbers Even how much these things cost and it was this kind of lennon and was called crave netted linen. And i could never find with that word. Meant whatever this process is that they put the linen through that was supposedly to help block. Blizzard wins and so forth from getting through to your complexion and it's fitted with these with these goggles glass insets and it was. It has a nose flap in this mouth guard in it. Kinda just looks like something. Serial killer would wear kind of. Does you know art addressing for photography for this project caroline. Jamerson really helped us with that in so she would test stress pieces to see what needed to be padded out more if we were happy with the original selection of accessories That we were intending to use. And i guess she test this with the auto face one night but she positioned it so it would be the first thing you saw as you entered our storage before the open. The door i the lights on. And i screamed. That was my skimming moment because it is a statement so this scary when you first look at it now and also this this poor code import caroline seriously so she has stressed it as christina just mentioned but when we actually dressed it for photography i had to address it because whatever and that the code was frozen for bug pest infestation all that and it was. It was vacuumed inside out. But poor caroline. There is something probably in the sheepskin as she became horribly allergic to and to never be around it so i had to address it for photography. Because i'm never going near that coat again. He need to be careful with some of these furs and leathers speaking of furs and leathers. I'm hoping that we can talk about some of the profiles that you include in the book in the different sections particularly those in this next section which is called wheels and wings the nba hazel ying. Lee and also the motorcyclist esi string field. There's a little bit of leather and there as well probably some sheepskin in their ensembles. But i really love this because in many of your sections not only are the ensembles themselves featured the your photography. We've also included these short biographies on specific bad escorts women and it was just so cool to learn about the individuals themselves that are really pushing women's sports forward at this time. Can you tell us a little bit about your decision to include these profiles because they really are so intriguing and fabulous. And would you also maybe tell us a little bit about hazel and bessie specifically while the women and focus dot was kevin's idea. And i have a secret. Kevin gets his best ideas when he's brushing his teeth or morning. Hey there's an idea. I tend to get my ideas when i'm driving so i pull over and i write them down. I stay safe anyway. He came into the office after brushing his teeth. One morning. instead of this This idea we need to do Women focus. We need to do this. A section of the catalog that highlights women from diverse backgrounds. Different ages different body types. Real sports women over this period that were covering because we don't want to just look at these imaginary ideal mannequins so we started looking for females where we could find great images fashion forward images and you have to realize that it was really difficult to choose women for this also. There are a lot of anonymous or women who will never be remembered because throughout history as we know females have not been deemed in many cases. Important enough to record so we were limited in some ways anyway. Hazel yingli was someone who really appealed to us because there was this dynamic image of her that is reproduced in the catalog and she was pilot. She was born in nineteen twelve in portland. Oregon and her parents were chinese immigrants and the image. We chose her. she's standing against a plane. She has a wonderful leather skullcap on goggles. A nit top of vast jodphurs these great tall boots and she was interested flying from from a very young age we have oil histories from her sister francis tongue and she said that hazel loved being outdoors. She loved flying and hazel joined a flying class when she was very young and she graduated from that she became a professional pilot. She wanted to volunteer for the chinese air force in the thirties. But unfortunately they did not accept females so she flew commercial airline in china for a few years and then during world war two the united states and needed pilots based in the united states to fly new aircraft from construction lines to the different airports so they started advertising for women to come and help them and ultimately thousand women were accepted into the women. Airforce service pilots group which was called lost and they flew these new planes in may two hundred and fifty dollars a month which was fifty dollars less than men doing the same job so she did this for about a year. Sadly thirty eight women lost their lives doing this because as i mentioned they were new planes. That had never been flown before and on thanksgiving of nineteen forty-three hazel. Sadly lost her life when she got into an accident in montana she was the last loss to die. She was denied military funeral rites because these women although it was a program overseen by the military they were civilians so it wasn't until two thousand nine that the group was given a congressional gold medal for their service and if anyone is interested in hazel yingli. There's this wonderful documentary about her called brief flight and we're also lucky that many of her letters and images are part of the museum of the chinese in new york city. Yeah an image of her. I mean she is exactly what you think of. When you think of the fashionable aba tricks like had to tell we realized that just about everyone would know. Amelia earhart and it was time to expand our understanding of these pilots and brought in that group that she's smoking a cigarette to her canvas plane. Biplane right so you know. I i had thought. How can you talk about women women's sportswear and not talk about women who wore the sportswear. You know so. That's another reason to include these women focus and originally when we were gonna six chapters. We were going to have twelve women but we extended it to the chapter now. Sixteen may because we have two per chapter one woman in right in the center of the chapter is and then we wanted to and every chapter with one of these women in focus because the point is the women and what they were able to accomplish whether it was walking or whether it was being a military even though that wasn't her unfortunately military pilots Such as as hazel and our cover image is our nineteen thirties. Motorcycling ensemble and that outfit. We put together. It was it started. When i found a really rare black leather motorcycle. Jodphurs thank you very much that are scooped down very low at the abdomen and are very high in the back because of course how are you positioned on a motorcycle. You've leaning hammer. You don't want have all this letter crunching down on your abdomen. Plus your your your face forward so you don't want whatever you might have tucked in to pull out. So i mean so much thought was put into these types of garments and they were being worked out by the women who are actually physically into undertaking. Whatever the the the sport was in this instance might influence for for pulling that allow together as was vesey string and she was really an amazing single woman who just absolutely her entire. Life was the motorcycle as she was. I swear she was born on a motorcycle. I mean it was just incredible and she. She was a she was difficult to research. Because you know christina. And i are very much into as much primary source material as possible for this entire project. That's why we have quotes throughout it. We want the erez to speak for themselves. Not we just trying to interpret in era and a sustaining to bring out the biographies Of the women and bessie was born in north carolina in nineteen eleven and she just was fascinated by motorcycles. Because a man who lived above her where her family lives yet a motorcycle and she only ever drove Holiday since that was her go to motorcycle and by the time she was fourteen. She had somehow managed to buy a motorcycle much to her parents. Especially her mother's chagrin. A lady just did not drive around on a motorcycle. You know and and motorcycle. Culture was not geared toward women at all it was very very masculine and there were not manufacturers for motorcycle gear for women. It really comes out of what we think of the motorcycle attire with world war. One and men wearing a leather jackets was they continued to wear after the war motorcycling boots. You think motorcycle today. We have this vision. Will it wasn't like that at all so women so the things that are recorded early on are you mixed and matched as we talked about the separates and you made it work for wherever you were. You would have a blouse on you know if it was cool or cold outside you would put on a cardigan is that we have our mannequin wearing the mohair of in there. The image bessie that i found an absolutely zone allows web was her outside of this building and we don't know where she is. We don't know exactly when it was taken. We don't know who took the photo but you can see that. The talkers head to shadow right there. We don't know if it was a man or woman but here is this incredibly confident woman who knows everything about the sport that she loves and his just wrote totally in this relaxed posed on top of her harley davidson smiling broadly because she's having the timer allies and you can see everything that she's wearing from the harm her motorcycle loser actually just decide. Who's you think riding a horse. She's got her job. She has her blouse on. She has her skull cap on wages. Taking coming out of race car. Driving and then piloting and with the goggles because once again you've got to protect your is you gotta protect your hair. You've got to protect yourself when you're out because kicking the dust year completely exposed but the other thing that she's done on it is fascinating is a kidney belt because cycles had no suspension time i mean you were on it and he were literally being shaken to death and that could really damage your inner so almost like a somebody who lifts really super heavyweights today and all the strain on the body. They have to protect that middle portion. And so you know we style. That outfit complete. Because of betsy and bessie started driving her motorcycle. When she was very young she was determined to drive in all forty eight of the contiguous states which she did. She was doing this in the late. Nineteen twenty s and into the nineteen thirties. This is the time where you don't have house. An african american woman independent driving around the country. Doing whatever she wants to do. Because one thing for a woman it can be very dangerous in specifically when she was in the southern states at this time you know she is. She's exposing herself but she's also doing this. Because it's a challenge. It is something that she loves and she was not going to be stopped to do this and like hazel working with the government during world war. Two bessie became one of the few civilian motorcycle couriers in the united states. Along the eastern seaboard that she was currying messages from government agencies that needed to get somewhere fast and of course. She was on a motorcycle and she was fast and she did not need roads necessarily to get to where she was going and because she had been all around those areas previous world war two. She knew the rose to take. She knew how to navigate around difficult terrain but also different areas where there would be segregation where she may not be able to somebody else may not be able to go comfortably. This is a movie and the making. I'm just saying he. We've talked about this there. There's gotta be somebody out there writing for screen play now and the same thing with hazel. Any one of these woman deserves to have a movie made about them and once the war was over insufficiencies. Earn a living she. She worked with carnival troops and kind of death. Spirals were seriously you're like cycling with other people inside this metal cage defying gravity. And she. She later in her life settled in florida. She worked as a nurse practitioner for a while. She was doing domestic work and she. She passed away in nineteen ninety-three and florida apple lakha as great beloved figure in that community and everybody knew her and she would organize bike. Parades and just do anything that she could to promote bike culture. And of course by the time you get to the one thousand nine hundred eighty s and early nineteen ninety s. You know women are a major part of the by culture. That is now all over the united states and even in europe and so she was a major person to champion matt and she was honored by the motor maids of america. By the american motorcyclist association the ama and they actually named her to their hall of fame It was done posthumously. Unfortunately i wish he could have had those honors in her day but these so many of the women are women and focus. Were the pioneers of aspects of sports and women's participation that that we just take for granted today and these women were seriously punching through a lot of societal glass ceilings. We all have one that unwanted guests at stays way passes. Welcome and just will not go away. Oh yeah and they are extra noticeable. Now that we have all been spending more time at home of course apron. I are talking about that nuisance. You just cannot get rid of no matter. How many scented candles or in my case incense you. 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Why haven't you june's journey is set in the roaring nineteen twenties and your mission to help june parker self. The murder of her sister. She suspects foul play. And it's your job to prove seek and find all the hidden pictures and time place spot the difference and compete with friends to see. Who has the keenest sense of observation. There's something for every amateur detective. Each scene is beautiful colorful and carefully crafted to make you feel like you're literally stepping back in time if you love the glamour of the nineteen twenties love solving mysteries and love climbing the leaderboard with new friends. Then download june's journey today. It's the most fun you'll have on your phone available for free on your favorite app store and on desktop through amazon and facebook. We meet so many incredible women in these sections. This is one of my favorite parts. There's also why issue as a female pitcher for all male baseball teams in nineteen o six nineteen o seven and then. There's the bodybuilder abby stockton. Who's an advocate for women's bodybuilding in the nineteen forties. She opens a women's gym. Only jim in nineteen forty seven so so many incredible women who you know. They defy gender stereotypes and tropes and sodas very clothing They put on their bodies so such an incredible section of this catalogue so you're section of the exhibition. Having a ball covers sporting ensembles four croquet tennis and golf other activities you parent advertisement for maize corsets for golfing from around eighteen. Ninety five with a quote from a book on golf which was published in eighteen ninety in which authorites we venture to suggest seventy or eighty yards as the average limit of a drive advisedly. Not because we doubt ladies power to make a longer drive but because that cannot well be done without raising the club above the shoulder the postures and gestures requisite for full swing are not particularly graceful when the play is clad in female dress in quote and the lady golfer illustrated in this advertisement is wearing. Tama santer hot. Her skirts have been shortened for sport and hit about six inches above the ankle. Her fabulous red sweater the enormous red g-go sleeves oso fashionable in the eighteen ninety s. And then she has his bodice and the bodies of her sweater is quite tight. She's very clearly corseted. Will you talk to us about coursing for sport during the nineteen. Th century does not matter what you were doing. if you're a woman. In the nineteenth century in the earliest part of the twentieth century the courses were an everyday part of your life. It's not something that you just wore occasionally an evening outfit in kohls. You're wasting tightly courses. Were not four just creating a small waste they were actually dacian of all of your other garments that you were wearing whether it was a day just apologize or garment and you know everybody were the course of women it was. It was from the very wealthy woman who lived in the mansion. All the way down to her may scullery maid wearing a course that would actually really help. Protect her back. You know carrying heavy pots in and lifting and in doing that really manual labor so this idea that courses and women were just around fainting. All the time is is really not at all correct. And it's proven because women were wearing corset. While participating in their sporting activities it's just that the corsets were adjusted for. Whatever it is that they need it you know. We talked a little bit about the knit corset with the writing on samba. L- and we also the acre knit corset with the cycling outfit and those would be much more expandable much more movable but even courses that were made of steel which was type of of cotton polished cotton or any other kinds of materials. Heavy duty wool broadcloth thanks. They were often High on the hip because that would give your legs more Ability to move in cycling or to move in on on on a horse in a way that was necessary so again corsets. Were not the enemies of the state talk. They were not you know thrown aside just because you were a sport woman at the time they were integrated into your life because they were a normal part of life for women. At that time we have fetishizes these women. In their courses we have come up with all sorts of they. Don't make sense that they had you know fourteen or seventeen inch waist and everybody was tight laser. All of these are just kind of fantasies that i think the movies played a lot on. That don't have much to do with the reality that these women were living. And we've had a mcclendon um on the show that are very very first season and her incredible exhibition fashion into zeke. Just even though the show didn't focus specifically on course tree the history of course a tree just by the nature of what she was doing it was kind of like this undercurrent of the history of course train it so fascinating to watch the silhouettes shift over time because even within themselves as an undergarment. There is a fashion to them. And they are shaping in the fashionable body so the shapes of them actually do change. And then you do have some courses that were designed and intended expressly for health. Such as those designed by gustav. Jaeger we've of that in the catalog on there was thought to be helpful to have wall next to the skin with some light. Boning so these undergarments really were designed in part to support an active lifestyle and there were courses that head buttons all over them so that you buttoned on aspects of your sport dress because that even the weight of the dress around the body instead of like just pulling from the shoulders or just being constricted to the waste so there was a lot of thought that was being put into it a lot of experimentation a lot of again the patents that were being created to try to figure out what was the best for whatever the sport was and what was necessary. What was needed. What would support the back or what would support the bus line. Of course it's were. Were designed to give that fashionable silhouette you give a foundation for your garment but also to support the bust from underneath not from the shoulders pulling off the way abroad does today. And while we're speaking about adapting clothing to the wearer's body and their need to move in these garments. We have to talk about serena williams and serena wrote a really lovely forward to the exhibition catalogue which touches on gender race and women's appearance in the public sphere sport. This is an excellent way to start the catalog. By the way it was such a tree to open and see serena as one of the first women we meet in this catalogue so three and a herself has of course directly challenged deeply rooted gender dress codes that have long defined hurt chosen sport tennis in two thousand eighteen. Three now famously. Wore a black body forming catsuit. The french open and within days it was banned from the event causing a firestorm of backlash serena references as cats. Who controversy actually in her ford and she says quote. I felt empowered wearing it like a warrior on the court. Of course i turned heads. I always have i have pushed the boundaries of what is acceptable for women to do to be and to wear in sport. It is moving to realize what. I owe the female athletes who came before me who bought to tear down the barriers built to isolate them from the mail. Sporting sphere i stand on their shoulders in quote. Can you speak about the significance of sporting fashion to women's empowerment historically as represented through this exhibition. But also today serena of course is one of the greatest sports stars of all time hands down. She was an apt choice to write the four to this catalogue in more ways than one and a bad ass writer tail is like. Is there anything that she can't do come on would early on we were talking about you know. Be great to find a sport figure who might be interested in this project and you know it is difficult to get people interested in something when they don't know what it's going to be like in the end it's easy now to kind of see. Yeah this turned out to be a great project. But you know it's it's that kind of leap of faith aspect and we were. We were throwing around ideas. And honest to guys. Serena was really at the top just because she is extraordinary in her chosen sport. She is interested in fashion. I mean there was like this perfect connection but also she would challenge not only the sport itself but also what would be allowed to be worn in her chosen sport. It's no longer just the little white short many dress on on on the court anymore. So we we really want to approach her and kerstin with afa. It was she who did a lot of the research to to find that contact and when we were able to talk with you know. The the whole group. Around serena about this project they all really fell in love with it and thought it was very worthwhile and we were very happy that serena took as yeah. This is something Timely to talk about but also she liked our approach because it was fashion oriented in a way that had not been done before. So we were all geared up to openness exhibition in may but the pandemic happened and it was postponed. We hope to help the exhibition here. Twenty twenty four. But for that may date. Kevin had succeeded in acquiring that same black catsuit on loan. For the opening and we were going to make accustomed mannequin. It was going to be amazing so hopefully when it comes back to l. a. We'll have that cat suit and it was to open the exhibition. It would be the first thing that you when you walked in the door. They're was serena right there in front of you. You know serena in that forward. She mentioned that she has learned to take take charge of the conversation about her physical appearance on her own terms and she's accomplished in part by having powering fashion choices on the court and off in. This is really no different from the outdoor girls whom we highlight in our project and i can speak to the nineteen thirties motorcycling on samba. Which is our covergirl. I know kevin has gone into this a little bit. But you know describing the look this. Ken if we think of her as a real woman she's chosen bright colors that possibly express her personality. She's wearing menswear which was an amazing choice. You know she's expressing self-determination self expression and these clothing options not only were they visually arresting but they supported a really empowered physical presence to be able to ride astride speaking to post nineteen sixty after our exhibition and speaking about the modern era it was really nineteen seventy-two with title nine the federal law mandating schools that received federal funds to provide equally in all educational opportunities for females and males. And we really see a difference in females participating in sports. At that time they had to have equal access to the playing fields. They had to have equal access to scholarships and part. This is why we have more female sports icons right now. If you look at today you know you have naomi osaka. You have the women's nba. You have the. Us women's soccer team and not only are they known for their physical prowess. They're known for their appearance. Their uniforms their personal style. They also have lucrative contracts and rightly so with companies like nike under armour and they also used their platforms and their physical appearance for messages. You know for example. The us women's soccer team. They've made it known that they are four Equity in pay for female sports namely was sokha. She has worn face masks on the court with the names of black americans killed by police brutality. So these empowered females are using their wardrobe to sound really strong messages today. And it's such an important part of what we hope. Our project accomplishes with empowering women. Even though we don't cover the i wanted to get it right. The reason why we wanted to have a international sport figure from today as our complete opening of the entire catalogue. You know we could have had one of our women invoked one of these distort women that could have been very strong but because we end the catalog in nineteen sixty and the main reason why we did that is because its members aspect of design. Everything that a sport woman where even today had been designed by nineteen sixt-. It is the textile technology from today. That is now applied to those already designed elements that brain the sport uniform or even passive sportswear up to the present time. So that's the reason for the cutting off sixty but we know that. This project extends all the way to right now because we're dealing with a contemporary audience and especially contemporary young women who hopefully will project and feel while i do have history in what ever sport. I'm interested in but also that there are women's today that the incredible women that christina just mentioned that are pushing it forward because every single woman in our project whether she's from the eighteen twenty s nineteen twenties was sport woman of her day. One of the things that we absolutely did not want to do. The project was to compare the a woman from any time period to a future woman as if didn't have good in us but instead that it was that woman that her sisters in the future. We're looking back on to see like. Wow because this woman did this. I can do this today. Fifty years later. That is still exactly contemporary in our time. Now and so. That's that's that's why we will. We'll whistle grateful that serena williams agreed to do the forward and what she wrote is so important not only for right now but it's still will be fifty years and as she said 'i stand on their shoulders right right good afternoon. Would you like to try a free sample of double fudge brownie. Sure bash pray good. I'll just take one more just to be sure. Yep still very get some things never change like never being able to take just one free sample and geico saving folks. Lots of money on their car insurance it macadamia nut i taste you. Take one more sir. Yeah i thought so. Fifteen minutes could save you. Fifteen percent or more fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percents or more. Is that shakespeare. No it's gyco. Yeah that's shakespeare from one of published which be not for awakening give the berries for fifteen minutes. Could save you fifteen percent or more no. It's from geico because they help. Save people money. I hate to break it to you but geico got it from shakespeare. Geico fifteen minutes. Save you fifteen percent or more. So we're coming a little bit near the end of our discussion today. And i want to talk about the final theme in the catalog and exhibition. Because it deals more or less team sports it does also include some other things like archery. Boxing fencing calisthenics as is cheerleading also covered. I really loved those. Harvard and yale cheerleading. Uniforms so charming but my personal favorite uniform from this section is actually a basketball uniform and it's from nineteen nineteen at from a team in texas. I had to sleep that out from the back of the book. And your little object chats but if this is a navy cotton sat heen sleeveless jumpsuit has a v neck and it has white trim at the neckline the arms also at the waist. And then there's a white stripe that extends down the size of the legs of the jumpsuit. Which are kind of like these blue san's and they end just below the knee and then of course you have to have a number. Because it's their uniform. Large white zero application the center. Front of her bodice. And i just love this so much because the silhouette of the uniform itself is so obviously from the past but there's something about this color combination and the white trim and her number that reads incredibly familiar to us today. That this is a sports uniform She's wearing stockings with her her little jumpsuit and she's styled in these little lace up sports foods that are offensive to the period. And you guys have even put her with basketball from the era as well so again. It's it's all these things you managed to acquire you know you've acquired a period cricket gloves and shin guards and bats from the nineteen ten. We see in this section you and you know again. You just combed the planet from many of these objects. Can you tell us a little bit. Perhaps about one of the most surprising sources of an object and the show. Yes and and you mentioned. I'm so glad you did. Because it's the early twentieth century. Cheerleaders are yale and harvard. Ladies in their facing off each other those were really find to put together however it was really really challenging to find the sweater because again you know those damn moths but also you know how many have survived and they were the generally the boyfriend sweaters that the the women would wear up in the bleachers cheering on the teams and i really wanted to find the sweaters with turtlenecks. Because that's even more difficult to find. So what i did is i found this really fabulous photo of this guy wearing and we don't know who he is. Who took the photo winners from is turn this turn of the twentieth century and And he's wearing his yale turtleneck with the uae and everything and so. I took that photo and had it turned into an advertisement looking for the sweater and posted it in the yale alumni newsletter. Out to seventy two thousand yale alumni and we got some calls at people had some sweaters and things but none of them were right. And then i got a call from our donor and his father had gone to yale and he had kept three of these sweaters and allowed us to choose one of them and then the other two were donated to fail and so it was crazy that this kind of idea that i had brushing my teeth to do this this. Hey let's do. An advertisement in the gale alumni worked and we were able to find this incredibly rare sweater and the thing is it was won by charles campbell and he was the head of the track and field team for yale and from nineteen o four to ninety nine and so it was exactly the time period that we needed and even if you flip out under is initials or embroidered underneath. Nah so so. We have the sweater actually done that. Shoot and our donors sent me a letter. Because he found a photograph of charles campbell wearing the sweater at a track meet which is incredibly rare to find but what was even spookier as the charles was what made me twenty one at the time he and i looked eight usa xactly alive. He was like my twin brother. It was really really spooky. So that was that that was just so amazing to me. We acquired another ensemble kitchen nuts through the antiques road. Show we were thinking about. What's yeah i was. I was talking about what sports end this project with and i wanted sports. That were honestly just really aggressive. Aggressive and forceful and strong sports to represent females in the mid twentieth century. And one of my yoga teachers is really into the roller derby. Same and i knew that this was really popular sport in the forties and fifties. It was a sport that was described as a mix between a race wrestling and a general disturbance of the peace. We haven't got to get a roller roller derby ensemble like good luck arellano. They look like i don't know idea are supporter. Stephen porterfield comes into play again and he is on the antiques roadshow. And he appraises costume textiles for people and he had a couple come in with a family member. Mothers third others than to roller derby ensemble. And it's just it's in the book it's great. It's this green and white knit. Talk with our our our which learns for reading roller racers. With this great for lead clover reading pennsylvania some little green shorts with padding protective padding. And you know he did the appraisal all of this but it didn't make it on television because the producers didn't think that women's sports where was an interesting or important enough want couple asked you know what should we do with this. We don't want it anymore. We what we wanted to go somewhere. He said Truly interested in joining donating it to a nonprofit institution. I know This curatorial team. They're working on sports where project. Here's their information. So not only did we. Acquire the top in shorts but there are also photographs of betty fisher in her uniform on the rank post. We have her medals. We have some of her ephemera. so yes what. I got my roller derby on. I mean we were going. We wanted to do roller skating. Roller something rather. Because you know it's really popular in the in the twentieth century but yeah roller but we never seen. I still have never seen another surviving complete roller outfit anywhere. And it's warren. It's very warned holes. It stretched because she really did exert herself with her teammates. So that's also fun to see signs of wear into that general disturbance of the peace so for the exhibition there are sections that we put together that are period film footage going back to the eighteen. Hundreds and one of the most fun of the footage is a roller derby race. And i tell you these women are just like bashing each other to smithereens. It was incredibly incredibly aggressive. It's it's made a comeback here in brooklyn of years of late just saying what i love so much about. So many in the exhibition as that. They come with provenance. Who wore them. You know when they wore them and in many cases as you're talking about there are worn. These are just not pieces. That museums typically collect. But it's there are pieces that so many of us can relate to you because these are ordinary women doing extraordinary things. It's just wonderful. So the exhibition was originally intended to open at fed them as you have noted in twenty twenty but of course the pandemic happened and instead it's first debut is one of the locales that was already promised to as a traveling exhibition so going to debut at other institutions. Can you tell us a little bit about where it is to be seen soon and also what people can expect to see in the exhibition in the near future. Yes we have six venues books for the next three years. As you mentioned the frick it's then going to the dixon. Gallery and tennessee in twenty twenty. Three it'll be the sticky in iowa. The munson williams proctor in new york and then in two thousand twenty four the tap museum in ohio and the comer in florida. And you'll see sixty five. Our outdoor girls as small as a number of accessories and framed prints and many of these institutions are doing their own programming community based programming inviting local. Sports women there. So there's going to be something different at every venue. In of course we'll keep up with that on our museums social media and i just want to point out. That is the frick in pennsylvania. Correct pittsburgh pennsylvania nets christia says so christina. Kevin we cannot congratulate you enough on. This truly monumental work that you've done for this exhibition when we first met with you about it in the so called before times of january twenty twenty years show mockup exhibition catalogue and i still remember sitting in the office of looking at it and just being like. Oh wow april. And i laughed and you know we pretty much agreed that this show is set to be d- defining exhibition on women's sportswear. No one has attempted to do what you have. So patiently carefully crafted over ten years not only with the garments themselves but also the incredible amount of research and obviously love for what you do that went into this project and this is truly a once in a lifetime exhibition dress listeners. So get out there and see it and if you cannot of course definitely get your hands on a copy of this exhibition catalogue. It is incredible. So before you go. Where can people learn more about the show and also the fit amuse then you can always go online a museum dot org and you know we're here in los angeles and we have a wonderful social media manager joe an average audi and she's facebook and twitter and instagram and we are posting a aspects of the show it will be opening as christina mentioned in pittsburgh pennsylvania on july third of this year. And then we'll be traveling for three years before it finally lands. It's the grand finale here. The museum in the summer of twenty twenty four which coincide nicely with the paris olympics excel. And you can always contact us through our website. If you have any questions for christina or made We're happy to to answer and potentially donate some things always. Yes that's right thank you thank you. Thank you both so much for being incredibly generous with your time. Thank you april and thank you cassidy thank you. This has been great dress listeners. We cannot say this enough. Go out and pick up. This incredible catalogue is so wonderful. You will not be disappointed. Abra when you and i saw a kasha was a year and a half ago we had this whole discussion that this catalog was going to be definitive. Home on the subject of women's sportswear in years to come and it is so much so that we actually got ahead of ourselves over the past year and we started recommending it to some of our listeners. Saying like look out for this book and that includes listener. Marleen van deacon wrote to us at the time when she wrote to a. She was a costume design student in her final year. She did this incredible tailoring project where she recreated historic garments and she actually recreated like down to the fabric that she died to match. This incredible bicycling samba all. It's two pieces from the eighteen ninety so it has those huge egos sleeves and it is in the most bright and beautiful and joyful colors like lime green like pink and has covered and chrysanthemums and she send us all these wonderful photographs of her wearing it. Even has the hat that you know how christina and kevin style to april and the tie in matching shirt it was just incredible and then she also recreated for the same project. This lime green suit. Macaroni suit from the eighteenth century so marlena for bringing us so much joy. It's so fun to hear from you. Guys yes yes yes and well. Marlene recreated the bicycling suit from the eighteen ninety s. That's the original is actually in the film collection at its in the catalog. The macaroni suit that she recreated is actually a lakme apiece. So you can head over to lack website if you want wanna check it out. It's amazing the colors of it and marlene recreated this like almost neon green and kind of peachy pink color way which you know dating to the eighteenth century. I'm like how is this even possible. It's so spectacular. Actually do show images of this macaroni suit. When i teach the eighteenth century so marlene obviously color. S both impressed because also apparently we're just not done with puns in these episodes before we go. I do want to mention a quote included in the catalogue which i really loved. And we haven't had time to mentioned yet because in nineteen ten one emmett done angel proclaimed quote. The children of the future will be thankful that the mothers stay lived in an athletic. So may you consider the fact that you owe much of your comfort to the fearless force woman of your next time. You get dressed. I think that doesn't speak. Yes and of course. Sporting fashion outdoor girls eighteen hundred to nineteen sixty is currently on view at the frick. Pittsburgh through september twenty six twenty twenty one before it goes on to travel to other venues kevin christina mentioned in this episode. And if you have a chance to check out the show in person we'd love to hear from you about your favorite sambas although it's really really hard to pick. I know it'd be like to write to us. 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543 Aviation Career Opportunities

Airplane Geeks Podcast

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543 Aviation Career Opportunities

"This is the airplane. Geeks podcast. Our aim is to educate and inform. You explore and expand your passion for aviation, and entertain you a little along the way this episode. We talk with Carl Valeri about aviation careers, including the current employment outlook, some industry trends and the wide availability of scholarships in the news. We look at the Boeing acquisition of four flight, the crash of an Ethiopian seven three seven max, eight Fahd on the new KC Forty-six tankers, a pilot leaves his hand gun on the plane and a passenger with an RPG. We also talked about sudden fund where we expect to see many of you this year all that and more coming up right now. Welcome to the airplane. Geeks podcast. This is episode five hundred forty three of the show where we talk aviation. I Mex flight in joining me is I MEK stress Kat, he's host of aviation. News talk podcast. He's the two thousand eight see if I have the year, and he's an expert on the Cirrus aircraft. He max L. I just topped out a one a few hours ago. Lomax how you doing where I tell you. It's so strange to say, hey, maxed to another maxi just feels odd. When you when you're talking to somebody with the same name, as you we've been doing this for five years, it feels normal to me, I talked to you more than I do my one all. Don't let her hear that. Not true. Not true. Also with us is David Vanderhoek, our aviation historian and well military aviation expert to hi, David. Hey, how are we? I'm exhausted. The long national nightmares over. I actually started a new job today. So I'm I'm back to back to writing home shoving food down my throat and recorded on Monday night. So we'll see how we'll see how awake. I am in a couple of hours. I hope so so good good. You made it through the day. So that's and you didn't get yourself fired on the first day. So that's that's a good sign. Yeah. That's a good side. Well, our guest this episode is Carl Valeri Carl's a flight instructor and airline pilot. He hosts aviation careers podcasts. And of course, the stuck Mike ABC cast, you'll find him on sun and Fun Radio. And he coaches the Polk St. flight team Karl welcome to airplane. Geeks. Hey, guys. It's great to be back. It's a long time since I've been here. It has. It's been I even sure how long it's been. But it's been it's been years and years stuck Mike ABC cast you guys just passed a big milestone, we did we did actually both in stuck my aviation careers two hundred episodes. And so we're pretty excited about that. We haven't missed a podcast and seven years, and we bring out the first fifteenth, and it's a general aviation podcast about learning to fly eleven flying love and fly. Would you everything from some news items that primarily out in the field and record things like air shows, and and have guests on and talk about different aviation, topics? All generally vision related primarily, I should say been a lot of fun. But thanks for that. Yeah. It's a great show too. It's always in my playlist might play list is too long at superfluous. There's. There's so many aviation podcast. Good aviation podcasts. It's it's hard to to keep up. We do our best. Well, why don't we get started with some of the aviation news from the past week? So I'll ask are you guys ready ready from the west ready from the east and ready from runway to three here at lakeland Linder airport. Our first story is Boeing acquires for flight and four flight, of course, provide software for flight planning particularly mobile flight planning, I guess their products are used by individual pilots professional flight crew's flight departments, and others mex- t maybe can you give us a little more detail about how for flight is used and then we'll talk about their acquisition by Boeing sure the named for flight that came from the original concept, which was it was used before the flight for planning purposes, and it's really evolved into an all singing dancing, application that pilots use in many. If not all phases of flight. So it's a a really an all inclusive application that has just about anything a pilot might want to have all in one place. Now, they were founded in two thousand seven their headquarters are in Houston, Texas, but they have additional offices in Austin. Texas and Portland. Maine. I didn't know about the Portland. Maine location wonder if Mike has ever been up there, but they have about one hundred eighty employees and in Boeing's press release. They say that Boeing in four flight have had a relationship for over the last two years. The two partnered to incorporate Jefferson's air nautical data and charts into four flight Jefferson used to be separate, but they were I guess they were acquired by Boeing as well some time previously. Yes, that's correct. So now Boeing is acquired four flight the president the vice president of Boeing digital solutions in analytics has can sane says the Sakwa expands Boeing's rapidly growing, unparalleled digital services portfolio, which will enable us to compete and win in the two point eight trillion dollar ten year services market. So I guess there's there's been a little bit of concern on the part of GE pilots. Anyway, I think we've seen some of that raised in some of the forums and unslinging wondering if for flight is through its association with Boeing is going to leave the little guys behind but any thoughts on that. Well, he started a very much in generally VA shit, of course, in the early days. I don't think you were allowed to use things like that on the flight deck, but over the years, they've moved both into military and commercial areas. And I think the big question in people's minds has been. Gosh, will I be forced at some point in the future to use Jefferson charts, which are more expensive than the the government charts. Now that both those companies are owned by Boeing, and I have seen something on the four flight website. That says no that's not true. So I think for folks who want to continue using the the government charts. That's good news, Carl are you have four flight user. I am four flight for generally VA Shen. And I actually every so often have followed it in the in the airline. And boy, I tell you what a great device, and it's great for a training. And I don't think I'm not worried at all to be honest with you after Tyson's interview the CEO four flight or present four fourthly. He actually really set my worries aside because I gotta had that that also feeling kinda my gut like, oh my gosh. Are we in turn it to something? That's more just for the airlines. I really don't because of his roots and because passionate Gemelli vision ever, they don't feel. He's gonna leave us behind us. Gemini, vision pilots that's for sure. Yeah. That's kind of the oppression. I got as well. When I watched the ALPA live interview. Tom Haines interviewed Tyson. Tom ask specifically about G A and Tyson did respond to Slyke. You guys said our roots are in key. He said Tom also asked him about, you know, with the price points change on the Tyson said, not for G A, not planning on it. Both for flight and Jefferson now are part of digital solutions in analytics, which is headed by Ken sane, and and all that is under Boeing global services. So another comment came from that interview. I thought was interesting is when asked will there be some reduction in the number of jobs is a result of this and Tyson said, no, in fact, they're hiring. They're looking to hire more people. In fact, they're opening an office in Denmark. So that's fairly interesting. So. So it sounds like. At least for the present time. No, one has any real reason to be concerned about the four flight that they love and it us all the time. You know, as an aside we actually had looked at the airline. I worked for using four flight initially, and we went with a different company, and I think that has come back again the discussion, and I'm really hoped because it is such a robust tool that I feel has not only been supported well, but also growing with aviation generally vision. Also with airlines, I really hope in the future we switched to that. Because it the ease of use it just it's a wonderful device. But obviously in the airlines it takes a little while to change. Anything doesn't? Oh, it's your does. We. Large aviation corporations are conservative and slow moving generally and things. Yeah. Things don't change really quickly. Right. Well, why don't we move on to? Let's talk about the Ethiopian crash. This was of course, Ethiopian Airlines Boeing seven three seven max eight it was headed for Nairobi Kenya. It crashed six minutes after taking off from the capital of Addis Ababa all hundred and fifty seven people on board flight E T three oh two were killed there were hundred forty nine passengers and eight crew in this just happened. So those of you listening to this few days from from now on record is probably no more than we know right now. But there's a lot of stories in the press. Maybe even too many. They're also looking at the. The previous the lion air crash in Indonesia, which was also a seven three seven, Maxine. Yeah. I think there's been a lot of release speculation that all my gosh. This must be the same cause. And I think that's way too early to to know that. And I think it's we've seen so often from accidents in the past that the early speculation turns out to be absolutely totally incorrect. So yeah, it's just way too early to know it's interesting that couple of the regulators around the world have grounded these. So the regulator of aviation in China apparently has granted them as they have in a couple of other countries as well here in the US and the European countries have not done that. So I think in general, you know, they believe that this may be an isolated incident. But of course, we just don't know. Yeah. John Ostra our in others of John in his air. Current publications has noted that regarding the the Chinese decision to to ground the planes for now that that's a pretty big deal. Because the size of the Chinese market the the role that that will play in the future of Boeing, and that's you know, it's not not a very good. A good thing. A lot of the articles. I've been seeing though talk about what a terrible thing. This is for for Boeing, and I mean beyond just the fact that there was this accident, which of course, is terrible in and of itself, but talking about the future of Boeing or already making predictions about you know, what what the impact is going to be which I think is a little premature. The stock went down today. Mondays we record this day after it was down nine percent in premarket trade and it recovered somewhat and it closed around. Around down five percent, plus or minus a little bit. It didn't. I didn't see that the very end of the day. So the market anyway was in turmoil over the the stock as a result of this the right? We have a story from from Kansas dot com. Air force won't accept more. Casey, forty six tankers until they're cleaned of debris. We previously reported that the US air force has been finding foreign objects debris or Fahd in the delivered Casey Forty-six tankers from Boeing they found things like loose, tools and trash and other items. So we have here is Reuters reporting that no tankers have been accepted since February. Twentieth. And then we'll be until aircraft. Her cleared a foreign debris and Boeing implements a corrective plan kind of reminded me of the original Apollo one in. Which they found tools and things like that. And the capsule after they tore it down after the fire. I'm sure the air force has similar feelings. Which is that just can't be safe to have a loose items rattling around inside an aircraft. Yeah. In such things have been the cause for all kinds of incidents and accidents over the years to the point where I think we've talked about this a little bit. But to the point where the elimination of that is kind of a key part of almost any aviation companies quality plan or quality system. So if this is happening with with Boeing tankers, he know it in a way that's more than just an isolated kind of an incident. It's a little concerning, and it is to the air force there. They're not taking deliveries until this is corrected. There seems to be a culture issue with with this aircraft. I I mean, it's been not been a good week for Boeing. Let's let's put it that way. But it is kind of disturbing that this kind of lack of quality control is being pushed down the line at Boeing. I mean, and it goes to support the argument the air force has had for a while. Now that Boeing doesn't really care about the military contract. It all cares about as pumping out seven three sevens. And it makes you wonder if that culture is leading to other issues like the seven three seven problems. I don't know. But you know, it is a serious thing finding nuts and bolts and screws and. You just don't expect that from an aircraft manufacturer. And it's not something. He I don't know Boeing's Boeing has got to have a culture change right now because they're getting it on both sides now. So I don't know how how you fix it. Yeah. Back in my jet engine days. This was something court. We took really really seriously because you know, whereas loose tool in a in an airframe is one thing having a loose washer floating around inside of a jet engine is hold of thing. So yeah, that was something we took really seriously, you know, as wondering if maybe they've been hiring rapidly. And if that's a source of the problem, I just pulled up the statistics, and they have actually had one the biggest hiring years that they have had in looks like probably a couple of decades. So they went from in two thousand seventeen hundred and forty thousand people to one hundred fifty three thousand so they. Added more than well right around ten percent of the workforce. I can remember when I was at Hewlett Packard times. I was divisions that were growing rapidly. And you had ten percent of the workforce in one year. There's just a lot of culture that doesn't fully get passed down immediately to to new employees. So I'm just wondering if that might be contributing to the problem. Yeah. There's is a lot to absorb could it also be maybe product line specific. I couldn't imagine this happening and some of the aerobatics planes. I've loan obviously, we talk about five, and, you know, the is it just Pacific to this aircraft or has it happened and others. And you know, it just brings back memories of are. You sure, you're buckled everything down. We don't have any garbage in the airplane and just take it inverted. Also. And all this stuff goes over the canopy the aircraft. And that's what I was admit envisioning during this. But it it Casey Forty-six is it is it company wide. That's the question. Right. I think it's it. It seems to be more Casey Forty-six related. Which that in and of itself is is a big clue if that's the case. But yeah, that's one of the first things. I think you'd look at is how pervasive is it tell you a lot. But yeah, I remember the first time I was upside down in an airplane. Actually, I only once if I've been upside down in an airplane. And I was I was surprised at how much sand green stuff there is fly that suddenly, you know, inverted in the in the airplane. That's why that's why the first time you go flying inverted. You wanna do it in an open cockpit? So the stomach hanging around Crete it out. I was just trying to envision you climbing into your seat upside down. How'd you put the seatbelt on? If you're upside down in your seat. That's what I wanted to go. I didn't climb it upside down. All right. This is from six city. No six sixty city news pilot left gun behind in the cockpit of a delta plant a delta plane. Usually it's passengers who quote, forget they had a handgun in their carry on. But Maxine this time was different. I'm always surprised by stories like this. And maybe I shouldn't be I suspect that, you know, people who carry guns with them on a regular basis may tend to just kind of treat them as well. I I don't even want to speculate. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe they get used to them. That's probably the the best way to say it now, I don't carry a gun. And so I would certainly if I were carrying one the first couple of times. Yeah. I'd be thinking about all the time. But, but I think if you carry it for a long time, then you know, you may not be thinking about it quite as much and apparently that may have contributed to this gentleman left. The flight deck and left has done behind. Now. Of course, as are all in locked cases. That's just part of the program. So it's not as if anybody would have gotten access to the to the weapon. So in terms of you know, the impact I would say this certainly didn't put anybody at risk. But it's really just kind of a surprise that, you know, an airline pilot would forget to do something like that. And I would imagine that this will probably result in him either, you know, being suspended from the the flight deck officer program, but I don't really know Carl. What do you think? Well, I was gonna comment this actually happens. More often. Than than is place in the media, obviously. And it happens more often than I think people want to realize in want to know about. But it's interesting because like you said first of all the the gun is or the weapon is actually stored. Locked and it's in say a separate container, then your other flight bag equipment, and it can easily be left behind in that in obviously can't give away certain things about the program. But just think about a bag being left next to you. And and then standing up in a dark cockpit that could be a dark bag, and you leave it behind in the past when I've found say something like this and the cockpit usually you just call the crew members of, hey, listen, come back here in and retrieve this. But it's it's not. It it's tough because you should be aware of everything happening, but I can see people are people in this. This mistake will continue to happen. But hopefully, we will try to be more vigilant. But I don't see it happening that often in the cockpit and the this federal flight deck program. The flight deck officer program is huge volunteer. Police force out there. And it's it's incredible. These people step up and volunteer to go to training all throughout the year. And and sometimes, you know, accidents happen, at least it wasn't. Like in my mind safety related because it was it was a locked gun, but this can happen more than more than one than I think people realize I think to the other thing that people don't realize how many people are actually on aircraft that are carrying weapons that are with the federal government say and even ones that aren't with the federal government. So, but as far as safety is concerned, I don't think they're really with a safety issue here. But tell you he won't make this mistake again, and hopefully other people won't and learn from this. That's for sure. Oh, he just wanted a hamburger he was hungry. He dropped everything and pre and read out to the terminal e both of. I think there's another factor is Carl I think that you raise a really excellent point. I hadn't thought about being a dark environment. I know there have been times when I've been looking at for a black item on a black carpet in the back of the Sarasin. Yeah, you can spend a long time looking for it not finding it and it's right there. So in a dark cockpit. I totally understand that I could guess that maybe fatigue might be an issue as well. You know end of the day last flight, I would imagine that it's probably a lot easier. When you're thinking about the g I just love to get my hotel tonight to overlook something like that. Yeah. I think you're right. I mean, I've left my flashlight behind it was in a similar type of case, and they can just as easily been weapon that was left behind a one, obviously is much more important than the other not leave behind the, you know, even the this is bad. But even worse can be accidentally bringing it to another country that that is the whole nother stickies agent. But little boy like I said though, I am. So appreciative of all those out there that are, you know, listening that are in the fed. Flight deck officer program, and they go through some amazing training. And I'm sure that this will be placed in that training program as an example of what can happen and the mistakes that have been made in the past. And we learn from those mistakes. And that's why we listened to cockpit voice recorders. And and we do go to training, so just an unfortunate event and thank God. Nothing. Nothing bad happened. That's put it that way. Well, you know, what occurs to me is this industry loves checklists in. This sounds like a good checklist item is the is there a end the flight exiting the cockpit. Kind of checklist. Yeah. We call it the embarrassing items checklist. Yeah. Keys, ID's, and passport and embarrassing items. Checklists this I think would be part of that embarrassing items checklist. But yes, I I I would not say I would say that they probably have their own checklist. But that wouldn't obviously be included because not everybody's a flight federal flight deck officer cockpit. If so it is it is what it is going to happen again. But hopefully, we will reduce the number by pointing this out. And that's the only thing that I really think it will be positive coming from this being placed out there in the press. So but anyway, hats off to those guys do serve and and do it at their own cost, by the way, they have to go to the training at their own cost and take time off so limited doing that. Yes, sir. Yeah. And it really take time away from family, and they go through constant training on their own and have to take the time off to do it the program issues them the handgun, though is that correct? Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. No. No. No. Yeah. So everything, but their time is is their time. So they have to take vacation or take time off to do this. It is a volunteer force. The volunteer force remember, so and like I said, it's just I I think it's a great program because you never know who's where what when you know. And that's that's big part of it. And it is a I opening experience and as far as curious concerned, and I feel incredibly safe in the US, especially when it comes to air security airline security, just from what I've learned through that program. Great. It's a great program. And I hope we talk about it all the time and everybody in the world becomes aware of it. They don't ever even think about trying to get a cockpit knowing what might be waiting for them on the other side. So, yeah, it's awesome. Awesome, deterrent. Yes. It is. Of course, if you're trying to do something like that. I mean, you could come heavily armed. Ks N T dot com. TSA agents. Find rocket-propelled grenade launcher in luggage. Oh my goodness. Yes. Well, there is that this one caught my attention simply because we see stories all the time about people bringing prohibited items onto the aircraft. This probably isn't on the prohibited list because nobody ever thought you'd bring an RPG two. Yeah. I think I've seen it subsequent story that said it might have been a replica. And this one says that the gurney portion was a replica. But nonetheless, I can imagine that the people who were you know, inspecting said what the heck do we have here? So yeah, I mean, this is something that's a you don't find as a civilian type of weapon. This is a weapon of war. So yeah, pretty pretty stunning to find an RPG that someone wants to you know, bring along with them on their flight. Yeah. And according to this report. Anyway, it's the the man who did this told officials that he thought he could he could bring it on board in a checked bag because it was non functioning, but the the security equipment alarm went off this. This was at Lehigh valley. International airport in Allentown, Pennsylvania, which is not too far from Philadelphia where are home state. I. What did he do? You know, there's three people who are local to that Philadelphia. Well, trescott isn't anymore, but Carla's kind of on on my side about being a joy z. Boy. Yes, I was born in Philadelphia. So careful what you say you're outnumbered there. I guess. It just seems like a lot of these wacky things happen. Well, he the guy was from apparently was from Florida. So maybe this'll Vegas's off the hook there. Explain to them now. But of course, by the way, it works. I mean, they found it, right? Yes. That's that's exactly that. Yes. Meant the weapon worked. No, no, no, no, no, the TSA security protocols where it and and you can see they would just find it and go, hey, let's let's see if the thing works. Rate the fun. So sure so all of this the the replica grenade and the unassembled parts of the launcher were we're all confiscated by the the TSA in the the man continued on his his flight even made his flight to Orlando. But the lesson is that no realistic or replica weapons of a military nature are allowed onto airplanes. We've talked about firearms and putting them in in checked checked luggage, but replicas or realistic military type weapons or just not allowed. Yeah. If you're going to do something crazy on airline. Don't bring one of these bring your emotional support EMU instead. And they're cutting back on those two. Well, I tell you this. It's funny because it really we've come a long way in detecting this type of equipment. I don't do this anymore. But I have in the past volunteer to do to try to bring three things through security screenings. Oh, yeah. And it's a really interesting. It's I'm I'm usually sweating bullets as I'm going through. Because of the fact that not everybody is in tune with what I'm trying to do. And it's really it's a test to YoM in civilian clothes, obviously when I'm doing it. But it's a test to the system, and it's really interesting because if the person doesn't catch it right away, they're they're done. And I have been in one where the person did not catch it. I I brought something through that looked like three sticks of dynamite in a timer on top. And it got past the guard in the in the screening, but this was prior to nine eleven after nine eleven that never would have happened. Because those those they they've changed a lot of their procedures. And I'm really happy about. That. So I'm glad that they caught this too. Yeah. So these days if it went undetected the security official would lose his job is that what you're saying. Well, I are they an it depends. If they're being tested at that point a lot of this stuff, especially in the whole been automated, and there's a solo pop up, and they'll give them a warning. But if they don't heed that warning, then yes, personal be they immediately are pulled off the line immediately. And depending on the situation that could either go through retraining or the they might lose their job if they're on a visionary status. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm just curious who initiates or orchestrates the test is at the airline or the TSA. I it's various agencies. Okay. That do that. Yeah. But they'll in it's it comes, you know, airport. Authorities will also initiate that. And that type of thing. So there's there's different people that that'll put that forth, but it's about all I can say about that program. But yeah, yeah, it's cool that they do that. Exactly. Exactly. You want you want the system tested to make sure that it's producing the results we all want, by the way, I don't do that anymore. So if you're looking at me online, your TSA agent or don't look at me, we'll hire scrutiny please. Carl better watch, exactly. And I'm just worried about what happens if they do find it, and they suddenly, you know, get excited and Russell you to the grand things like that. I mean, isn't he then potential for possibly being injured for volunteering detest? That is correct. And that that you have hopefully, a while there are a couple of different people that know about what's going on. But most of the other folks known that is the that is the one downside. But you know, remember most of these agents don't have have weapons with them. It's the the police forces what really worries me and the the local police or something like that. And that. Yeah. That gets you nervous. That's why I just don't volunteer for that anymore. Because I started thinking along those lines as I've gotten older, I'm alive. I'm more careful with certain things that I do. And that's one of. And that's how we got to be older. Amen. Making making conservative decisions. I mean, that's what I'm telling a pilot's. All the time. You know, when you have a choice between alternate courses of action. Choose the more conservative less risky one. We want to build margin into everything we do. So that we if something goes wrong. There's still some extra margin of safety to protect us. Yeah. Very much agree. Well said. Again, we're speaking with Carl Valeri flight instructor airline pilot, host of aviation careers podcast, and the stuck Mike ABC cast Carl I always view you as maybe being the one guy around who has a great sense of the the aviation job market and not just pilots, but you know, all aspects of of the industry, certainly aviation careers podcast covers, you know, a lot of different angles in the job market. Generally, though. How does it look these days? I mean, we we hear about shortages of pilots, and as well as mechanics, and that sounds like it ought to be a great time to be thinking about entering the aviation industry. Is that is that accurate? I think you are correct about that night. I think that in general we're having a labor shortage, especially in the US. But even in most of the. Most places but aviation has has truly been hit. But not just in pilots. I know we we always talk about the pilots. But there are so many other areas out there that there is a shortage. I've been talking about this for years. And did it episode backing episode fifty about the truth about the pilot shortage in all that still stands today, and we can talk a little bit about that. But yes, the job market right now for aviation for pilots for flight attendants for mechanics for managers for people that repair the jet ways for those folks that get into revenue management decide what we're gonna do for pricing, and where we're going to send our airplanes. And the folks that are in the technical aspects of putting flights together safe lying overseas at cetera. There's all sorts of jobs there, you know, one. You look at the pilot job me and say, oh, yeah. That's a great job. But there's other about six to eight other people behind that pilot in the corporation that helped that run ticketing computers. There's so many jobs just. Around aviation and having that expertise really does help that's for sure. And that's an aspect of this industry that I thought was always wonderful. And that that being that. I mean, you can have an interest in aviation just for whatever reason you just like airplanes. I it could be any reason your training, your your specialty your career could be in something that's not even related at least on on. I look to aviation, but you can find that kind of a job within the aviation industry. You you know, what I mean? Oh, sure. I mean, look at guys that are dispatch I live in an area where CSX is railroad company, and they have dispatchers a lot of trucking companies here. And then people look at the airplanes that are right here at the airports got I wish I could get into that. Like, well, we'll you can your dispatcher all you need to do is get your dispatch license. So that you can become a dispatcher and the dispatcher is somebody who along with the captain and flight agree as to the safety. Flight and both of them have to sign off on the fact that that flight can me made and made safely. The dispatcher plans of flight usually takes care of a lot of the paperwork the captain signs off on that. And then they go forward and not only the you're not done that there you actually monitor those flights, and there's whole centers of people that are dispatchers people at specializing in just being a liaison with the FAA trying to decide okay which flights. They're going to be able to get into Philadelphia today through certain areas these certain gates as they call it and which flights will be canceled. So there's just there's so many different positions out there that are available. If you love airplanes you love aviation. You definitely can get into it. Now has with with two hundred plus episodes, under your belt now have have things changed as is the landscape different in some way, or the kinds of people who are interested in aviation careers, or they they somewhat different than when you first started this. I think it's it's changed a little bit in that you see many more people saying they can do this. Whereas you saw this kind of in the late nineties early two thousands where people that would never consider a job say flying an airplane that has changed. The other thing that has changed tremendously and radically. I should say is the fact that there's so many organizations out there trying to help people to get into aviation through the stem program science, technology, engineering and math, and people that helped design aircraft engines and helps, you know, sell aircraft engines, they're really trying to get all these people into this this field, and that has really changed as far as other parts of it. I can talk a little bit about that. As far as the trends in the pilot, hiring one thing that's happened is and this is something that my program aviation Kerr's podcast is kind of morphed into a lot of airline jobs and as far as fly. Lying planes, but I wanted all airline jobs to be represented. But because of the fact that it's really the airline pilot is is the one thing that everybody wants to become and now they're really, oh, I can do this. We're seeing a few things happening. And there's a couple little trends in the industry. We can talk about one of them, which is really surprising to most people. We did see this back in ninety nine two thousand where that the lack of instruments skills, and what does that instrument flying skills? That's the ability to fly in the clouds, which you have to have as an airline pilot. As a matter of fact, that's one of the more important things, and we're seeing a lack of knowledge even still with instrument flying. Learn what do you do during a protein? You're supposed to know what altitude you have to be at what airspeed that cetera. Whether you can actually do the approach that type of thing. One of the reasons that's happening is because of this new fifteen hundred our rules. So what does that mean? Now in the past you had to be a commercial pilot. A commercial pound means that you are somebody that can be paid to. Fly an airplane. The captain of the flight has to have their airline transport pilot licence well now because of the new rules. Everybody has to have their airline transport pilot license they call it the fifteen hundred hour rule that's not necessarily correct. And we'll go into that later, but you really have to have fifteen hundred hours to become an airline transport pilot. So you can get hired as a first officer at an airline. How do you build those hours though, you're going from a couple hundred hours as a commercial out to an airline pilot? Well, some people will start towing say gliders or they'll start doing any type of pipeline patrol. They're flying out there looking outside the aircraft flying by the seat of their pants. They're not flying using instruments. Then what happens they get hired by an airline because they have the numbers they've checked the box because trying to find folks that are qualified because there's a real shortage of qualified pilots. Meaning they don't have the fifteen hundred hours. It's really tough to find those folks. So. Oh, you have it boom you're in. They find though that they don't have quite the instrument skills. So really that's something that we've seen a lot of the other thing too is. One of the things that we start seeing this trending is the fact that are we talk about pay, and I've said this many years ago that I don't see much of a change in the airline pilot pay the beginning the starting pay it has come up, but not as much as you think and follow me here, the pay rates have gone up. But the real thing that's attracting people is the first year bonuses, the bonuses have gone up. So we're seeing the rates go up a little bit. But the bonuses there's people that are starting at the airlines making seventy thousand dollars a year with all these bonuses. Now that's a ton of money when I started back in the nineties, it was if you could make fourteen thousand dollars, you were happy or even less. So now what they're doing is. They're throwing bonuses out you for signing on with them, and this pay rates this still talking about thirty five thousand dollars a year. But you're getting a bonus check for like thirty or thirty five thousand or their income. Leading other things in that. We're also seeing a lot more things like the fact that they're they're bringing people in to the airlines we talked about the fifteen hundred hour rule. They're hiring people. Okay. This is called a conditional higher. This is happening throughout the industry where they'll find somebody has their instrument rating, they interview them and give them a conditional higher. Meaning, hey, you're an airline pilot. Now, just call us when you're about one hundred hours before you get your total of fifteen hundred hours. So what they're going to do when you get there when you actually have close to that fifteen hundred hours and say, okay, what do you need? Now why I need to get my multi-engine commercial. Okay. We'll pay for that. Or you pay for the multi commercial than you come over to us. And we'll we'll get you your moldy and in time in the simulator. So that's been an interesting trend. I mean think about that. I mean, they're they're putting people into simulators in they're paying for some of the so I think there's some people out there that are starting to say, why don't the? Airlines pay for some of this training. If there is such a shortage way, they they are starting that trend, but it's not all the way down the line where they're paying for everything. It does that you see what I'm saying. That's not there yet with pay for an every single degree. Now. Are we talking about entry through the regionals or the main your yes the result? Yeah. So we'll start there. Thanks for clarifying that when you start off you're going to go to the regional airlines, and then the regional airlines feed to the major airlines and one of the things we're really seeing a shortage of the regionals member. Most of the flying done at the airlines the flights. I should say most of the flights that are done that number passengers. But no flights are done by the regionals. So that means you're going from one point out in the middle of Pennsylvania to Philadelphia, connecting them to a larger plane that goes to Paris that type of thing. What's happening? There is there's there you're seeing the people that are getting hired getting those those hours and in the similar. The major airlines now they believe in. There's enough people out there to fill the major. Fine. The airline. I'm with we put out requests for pilots, and we'll get ten twenty times the number we need as far as applicants at the regional airlines. It's just the opposite. As a matter of fact, another thing that's happening at the regionals. And this is interesting. They're sending some of their people home memory said, hey, they'll bring in flying the simulator. Well, you know, what the simulator too busy? They're hiring too, many pilots. So they're doing this. And I've seen this happen at the college of pokes day 'cause where I help out with the flight team. They're sending the students back giving them a check and saying here, go flying airplane and build your hours. I'm like, wow. That sure has changed. It's absolutely incredible. But yeah, most people what they'll do they'll build our hours at a regional airline, and then they'll get higher with a major the airlines that are out there. The major airlines the legacies. A low cost the ones that are more demand. From people the ones that people wanna go to usually their requirements might be a little bit tougher or they have more applicants so they can weed out more people. In other words, say all of their minimums are three thousand hours of total pilot time well in reality. It might take you five thousand hours, or if it's an airline that not a lot of people wanna go to because maybe they're pays not good. They don't have great basis, then their, you know, their numbers are going to go down. They're going to say, okay. Well, we're forgo. The fact that you need a, you know, four year degree a bachelor's that type of thing, which is something that a lot of people don't realize the FA licenses a licensed to flying airplane outside of that. There's also patch degree, and you can get that anything you wanted to. But that to continue on some of the other things that are really interesting. Within that bonus structure. I always tell people look at the bonus structure because you don't know what you're really getting until you read the fine print, and and the fact that these people are really wanting you to fly for the airlines is great, but things will change. And also another thing you have to do. And most of my data is impeccable data I love Boeing, and I love looking into the future, but I get hit with this right away. Because I'm doing a lot of the interview prep. That's actually how we make our money. We do interview prep. We do resume review, and that type of thing I've worked with recruiters at the different airlines. They come on the show is that you know, you gotta look at that. And look at that situation and see what what's happening with that airline today the airline today. That's the best airline to work before. Maybe the worst next month and vice versa. And we've seen that happen throughout the industry nother. Really cool thing is my friends in Australia. I love all of our listeners and Australia. Wonderful people I've actually done a lot of interview. Prep for guys that are coming gals coming from. Australia to the yes is this new e-3 visa program, especially for foreign pilots in Australia, and they don't have quite the shortage. We have here that's a little tougher to get on with the the regionals there. So a lot of them are coming here for many reasons, they might want to live here. They'd see the pay rates. They see the bonus structures and they're saying, hey, I want to jump on that. So they see the ability to to get more hours. Also. So they can move on some of the regionals that they're working for like in Australia. They're not getting as many hours in the US might get twice as many. So you're seeing some of that as a matter of fact is to preface my one of my upcoming episodes one of the airlines a couple of the airlines are doing this. They're actually going out there and sponsoring these folks to come here at the regional level with the three visa to work here. So you don't have to be a citizen, but you do have to have the visa if you're going to go to the majors, though, you normally we'll have to become a schism which you have plenty of time to do that. While you're building time at the regional airlines. It's pretty neat. I mean, I think it's really exciting to see all this happening. Never remember. I'm talking about pilots, but there's other people to I mean the flight attendants they're having issues with those or they're getting more aircraft that type of thing. So they're growing. They're the pilots themselves are being sucked up by the majors because there's so many retirements at the majors, plus they're growing somewhat. But but I get this question all the time. What do you think about the future, and what's going to happen with the industry and the economy, I can guarantee you this will probably have a recession the next twenty years? So it whatever you do do it because you love it. Don't don't just look at today and look at the market today do because you really love flying. And you want to get into find you want to do this as a job don't go into because you see the big paychecks. Because believe me, I mean, I've been furloughed been on the street for years trying to find a job and working for peanuts. While the economy's been a downturn. A few. Times, and it does change things and the people that don't truly love it. They wind up getting out of it. So that's that's been a big change. One more thing, by the way on the whole one other trend I think's really really exciting for me. I have a lot of Osprey pilots that our listeners and a lot of folks that are out on ships. And I and I love what they're doing. And I really appreciate them. And all the folks in the military, but one thing that we had done in the industry is told people if you're a rotor pilot. You're a helicopter pilot that doesn't count all those hours. You can just throw those away. It doesn't mean anything you have to start from the bottom. Well, that's changed as totally changed in the past five years. Now, they actually have what's called rotor transition programs. The the regional airlines, and I work with a lot of recruiters that have these they they really liked them. They think it's terrific and the people that come in. They've been trained in the military in helicopters. And they'll going to they're going to help you. They're going to help you get your fixed wing licensed. So now, you gotta get a licensed to fly fixed-wing aircraft multi-engine. They get you help you get that license. Many different fashions, they do this either at your own home airport, or they send you a specific school. But that's that's just awesome. Because I've always said for years, they're pilots. They just they just do different things with their hands and their feet. And they don't think if I've hundred miles an hour. That's about it. I mean, that's the only the only differences. Yeah. It really feels like the qualities that you want in a pilot would be the same regardless of whether it was fixed wing or a rotary. But like you say, I mean, the actual operation is, of course, different. But but the fundamental qualities that make good pilot. I would I would think would be pretty much the same. And and one thing that's great about the military is they can do so much more training in emergencies and things like that that we can't do and there's certain those those helicopter pilots, especially a lot of those guys that are out there flying medevac and stuff like that. They have tons of iof our experience, they go. They do not. I mean, I listen to these guys stories when I'm doing interview prep. It's amazing. They don't stop. I mean, if there's somebody they need to get they they don't leave anybody behind period, and they're flying in all sorts of conditions. They get here in an engine blows up. It's like, oh, yeah. Engine blow up. Let's shut it down. Okay. Now, let's land. It's not a big deal. It is when they're getting shot at nobody's shooting at you. Which is a wonderful thing when you fly as a civilian. So is definitely a big difference. And and that and I'm so excited for those folks. And and I've been kind of pushing that for years, and I'm just so happy to see that. It's actually having the other thing that's happening, which ending is really cool is is the scholarships. I mean, there's so many more scholarships out there, we have a directory that we have online that we make vailable, and we constantly updating it and it once a month at super cheap. It was like ten bucks, and you get a whole year access, but there's so many others out there, and you can look on the internet and do a Google search, but certain organizations like AO PA hats off to them for doing so many scholarships EA all these different folks that are out there, and they're giving scholarships to people of all different ages of all different walks of life. Doesn't matter who you are. There's ones that are specific for women men for people that are tiny. Americans people that are polish Americans people that are coming from different countries it into the US. And I think that's something. That's really exciting. I have students that have had every single part of their training and all their college paid for through scholarships and hats off to those folks for working on that. So so their scholarship from five hundred dollars all the way up to fifty six thousand dollars, and they're out there, which is really really needs. And I'm in on like, a big advocate of scholarships, of course, with the scholarships guy that we push and one of the things that I've really seen how it's changed people's lies and they'll go in looking for a scholarship in a specific area. And then they'll find another say, oh, wow. This is cool. I'm going to get a different rating, and they're just just so darn excited about and I love that fact, I think that's absolutely terrific just to give people an idea the scope of your scholarship directory. How many you're roughly scholarships are in there? So we were kind of different in that. We're pretty particular about what we put in there. So we only have about two hundred different skull specific scholarships individuals scholarships, which quick giveaway about five or excuse me. Fifty million dollars. There are many more. We have in the wings about one hundred million that we still haven't put in there because we're not done verifying everything I have a whole group of people. That's all they do is look scholarships all day and try to find new ones there's many different free ones out there. But we we stick to the ones that we know are good and are administrated. Well, and also if you are one that wants to give money away, please do but go to a big organization like EA and AO PA and those organizations do a scholarship in your name because they're very good at administering those scholarships. That's for sure. Oh, that's interesting idea. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's it's I tell you how many people have hooked up doing that. And that's an all those organizations are growing as a matter of fact last year at sun and fun. I do the son of radio there. It's I tried to raise another million dollars. To the into the scholarships guy that week I got up to like seven hundred eighty thousand but still imagine that I found seven hundred eighty thousand dollars scholarships while I was walking around talking to people, you know, the fly girl more movement, I fly movement all those neat things that are out there. Getting people navy, and by the way, there's a lot of listeners here and in general that are in Davey action. It's not just scholarships for people that want to go into this as a career it's for people that want to advance their ratings like say, you want to become a flight instructor or an instrument pilot or you want to become a glider pilot, Arthur Godfrey foundation. I mean, they give away glider scholarships. There's all sorts of neat stuff out there, and in really aviation does truly change people's lives in and I have seen this working with the students at Polk stay collagen other students is it changes. Who you are. It gives you a lot more confidence, especially when the other students ask you. So what did you do this weekend? Well. No, I went and I played golf. What did you do? Well, I flew to key west. And then I went down to the Bahamas and had some conch chatter, and then they came back. Really? Wow. Then it's a different conversation from there, and it really has built the self esteem of so many students in so many people, and that's what's gotten me. So darn excited about aviation. Not just the I love wine being in the airplane and seeing the world from that, incredible perspective. Whether it's in a one seventy two and Airbus doesn't matter. But one of the things that even makes me more excited is when you see somebody grow, and you see somebody get excited because they've been introduced to this new world, and they have so much more self confidence. And they have the abilities to actually move forward in other ways and other avenues of their life. Not just in aviation because of wine an airplane. Carl sounds like your kind of having fun. These days. Fun and no sleep Londono sleep. I mean, I just don't people ask me how I get all this done. I honestly though, I have a wonderful staff of folks hats off to Russ by the way, who's our scholarships coordinator that without these people. I never could get all this done. And without the all the folks volunteer on the stuck Mike ABC cash and also aviation careers podcasts all the staff there. There's no way I could do all this stuff. There's no no way and the flight team, of course. And I could talk a little bit about that. If you want. Yeah. The Polk state flight team. What's that about? I mentioned it a few times. Probably explain I they asked me if I could help coach a team at Polk state, college Polk state college used to be a cuss school two year school here in Polk County, Florida, which is where lakeland Linder airport is. And that's where our colleges in the old flight safety simulator building as a matter of fact, but anyway, we have a bachelor's degree. Well in a they're in this environment. This college environment. There's competitions on. Different levels, you have chess. Yeah. Have you know, math competitions? We also have flying competitions knife of the national collegiate flight association now going into its seventy fifth year is a competitive organization that helps foster integrity and how to win with integrity by bringing people together into environment of a flight competition and not just flying. But also ground competitions. It's knee. They use what's called an e six b they actually have to have a competition where they have to figure things out with this. It's a basically a slide rule that I think everybody now is used to using computers to figure things out. They have competitions where they actually have to go out and figure out what type of aircraft that they're looking at in a picture of this large man who called Jane's, all the world's aircraft. They can pick any airplane out of that. They also do spot landings precision landings. They do message drop all these different competitions that are held regionally. And then also nationally and. In the nationals. It's university of Wisconsin this year with an are being held. We're in region nine we compete against a couple of colleges. One call Embry riddle over on the east coast. I've heard of that. And yeah, some people had heard of them. There's another one called FIT. We also have Jacksonville university Florida state college Auburn university a lot of people don't realize the history behind Auburn university. And their flight program has been out there for many many years, but interestingly the first knife competition and the first competition amongst the colleges actually it was up in New York area, and one of the people that was on the team that actually won the competition is name was one trip, and he went on to form an airline PanAmerican, airlines and Pan American Airways. I should say. And that is actually it's this really steep history in the competition, and it's really exciting. The most important thing to me is that the kids are excuse me, the students they actually learn how to win and win with integrity. But also the. Routers are at these events. So all the different airlines are there, and they're out there recruiting these events and so exciting when they actually sometimes the interview, and they get a job just by being at that competition. It says a lot to take your time off, and and to get involved in that, I think that's just awesome. That's for sure. Now, are you still inactive airline pilot despite all these things going on? So so I I am. But the caveat is I do a very very reduced scheduled compared to most people. So of you know, much about what what you talking a little bit about airline pilots, usually they get about fifteen days off a month. I do about fifteen to twenty days off a month. So if you look at that, I have a lot of time to do other things. So I usually like right now, I'm on the ten day off stretch, some people call the vacation, I just days off and during those periods. I'm a big believer in volunteering that was kind of instilled in my mantra my life from my parents. So I do a lot of on tier with the students of the college and other organizations not just a navy. VA Shen very much involved some veterans organizations, but that's that's something that's really important because it's not it's all about the money when when you get to the point where you have your life settle that cetera. You don't you start realizing there's other things that are much more important and instilling in people's lies. What's truly important in also certain integrity and trying to put forth something that they'll be able to use in their lives and later on is that's your legacy. That's what you leave. And that's what you should do. So if you're you're in a job that gets gives you a lot of time off. Yeah. Go out there and do something volunteers starts on the make a difference. I mean, like the the scholarships guy for me is something that was really important in that. You know, like, I say, it's only ten dollars. We'll never make more than is given away which is so cool for me to ever to say that statement, but it's incredibly important because my mom was somebody that used to help people with, you know, getting scholarships, and and helping them actually fill it applications to get into college people that. Just didn't have parents that were interested or whatever reason, and that's kind of been fulfilled for me. Unfortunately, my mom passed right before I published it. But so I think that in the back of my mind, that's kind of the reason. That's if people wondering why I do it, and why always talking about scholarships is I think I have that in the back of my head. I always think, hey, what my mom be proud of this. And that's kind of. That's what keeps me going. I'll never know. But I always keep trying. That's for sure I think you may be no. But what are you fighting these days? Well, I'm flying in Airbus eighth HR twenty and a three twenty one we had two different variants. They three twenty one's a little bit longer about twenty five feet longer than three twenty holds a in our configurations anywhere from say one hundred fifty to about two hundred passengers and absolutely. I love flying that airplane. It's a fly by wire. What's really cool? I never thought. I would like it to be honest with you. I never liked autopilot. But I found that in an airplane like this. That's highly automated. It's so much fun to try to think in front of the airplane and fly it smoothly because you can fly the plane a lot smoother than the computer can. And you have to figure out how to do that. And that's the real challenge is making good landings and trying to fly the aircraft smoothly and fear out, the automation and stuff like that. It's always a challenge. People say, well, it doesn't all itself will. Yeah. You you're on auto pow. And I'm glad there's a lot of automation. That's for sure especially talked about fatigue before you know, after nine hours of flying, you want to be able to have the autopilot on when you're getting close to an airport and approaching, but as I love the plane and all of the automation. I love the width of it. I am big Airbus fan. That's for sure. And I love the the larger windows, etc. So, and it's it's a kick in the pants when the all that power starts starts coming up. That's for sure. Are you flying Nieto's on? I will be you will be shortly. I think that's a good question. I don't know when but. Yeah. And the next few years, we definitely will be getting a delivery of Nieto's. And I think I saw one of our tails that had no engines on it that was a Neo which is kind of cool to see that. And it was really cool to be actually flew the first three twenty one that was. Flow or built in the assemble in the United States. So that was really cool to do that. And then I also what was real need is to be an Alabama where that's actually produced and be Auburn university during one of our competitions. And then see that same aircraft the picture in Alabama and also the picture at the airline that I worked for which was was pretty awesome. And that that's been fun. As a matter of fact, I fly I haven't been flying a lot of lately because I've been so busy. But the last experimental aircraft. I ever flew was an Airbus actually, really so. Yeah, I got the I was I got to do the certification flight for eighty S b for Airbus A three twenty and it was really it was kind of a funny experience. But basically, I was I was the right cedar as the first officer, and I was basically told not to touch anything, of course, me being the curious person. It was experimental. So we had all this equipment in the airplane. And I started touching things. And also, you know, L three communique. Nations standing there and everybody in the cockpit. What just happened? I was like, oh, I kind of touched this button. And it was it was hilarious. Good. The FAA inspector. That's doing the certification flight. Of course. He's all these really smart pilots next to me ends. Is there I can fix it. And they're like, no, no, we're gonna have Carl try to fix it. Because he has no idea about the system how to fix it. So I was like, well, let me see I'd probably push this button and that button and sure enough it worked, and I was like thank God. And then the captain looks amazing. And then he said, I'll translate he said don't ever touch that again, but he said in a different manner. So so I sat there for this. That said it was an experimental aircraft at how long did it take you to build that Eighty-three twenty one? Well, it took tick about three hours or four hours to designate as experimental end. Just because it was it was modified to point where it had to be considering experimental. So I'm so used to EA experimental aircraft means something built yourself. So I just figured boy your embarrass. Yeah. No, no. I just it was kind of funny. They'll going to cockpit that had been in for so long. And it didn't a lot of stuff. Didn't look like it should be there. You know? And that was kinda kinda interesting and flew over the Atlantic. But yeah, it's it's funny. You designated as an experimental because of that because it's been modified, right? So it's no no long or production aircraft. And that's why we were able to do these test flights because when an experimental it had a quick moment in it that the aircraft doesn't have. So that was kind of it was modified. What was interesting is. Now having to change it back. So they can use it online and that took a lot of money. But but that that was cool just to be able to do that. That air will. It's just so cool to see on the side of an Airbus experimental. I just hit. Yeah. But, but yeah, I tell you all these things I do like you said it's just because because I love doing it. And it's I have a lot of days off. I one thing I will say I'm a bit of a workaholic, and I have taken some time off to to spend more with family and stuff. But but still I just love being out there, even the days off, I wind up running by an airport as a matter of fact, by the way, I don't know if you mind if I talked about the team in the flight team and stuff, and we have a competition, and it's talks about how to identify an aircraft. We have these slides that are brought up on the screen, and we we don't have very long we have to actually put an answer in there. As to who the manufacturer is actually what the name of the aircraft is its designation. Whatever is known in the real world. And I was wondering do you mind? If I can maybe, you know, borrow Dave and ask him a question about an aircraft possibly. Yeah. We don't charge much for daytime. Well, you know, I tell you one of the things that I've been showing this photograph to a lot of people, and we have the students weren't able to come up with an answer. And I had someone come really close to answer on this. But it couldn't figure out what it is. I was wondering maybe we could put in the show notes. But David, I know, you know, so much about airplanes I wanted to know this aircraft that I'm showing you a picture of and the people that are listening now can look at the shown as what in the world is that thing. Well, you said it was a Republic aircraft the start and you were in the right state, but you needed to go to buffalo and not Long Island. Actually, it's a bell p sixty three king Cobra, which was the follow on aircraft to the p thirty nine Eric Cobra, and I will put to show we'll put picture we'll put Carl's picture in. And I will put a picture of the sixty three from the air force museum in the show notes in its beloved, orange color, which was a pinball aircraft. The p sixty three in the United States Air Force wasn't used a lot during World War Two. It was sent primarily overseas to the Soviet Union who loved the p thirty nine daily to people who really loved the p thirty nine was the Russian air force and Chuck Yeager. The follow on aircraft was the p sixty three and the air force the army air corps life did so much. They used it as a pinball aircraft. They up armed it and painted orange and put little lights on the side of it and fluid next to be seventeen and the b seventeen gunner gunnery people like sticking the fifty cows out shot at it. And when they knew they hit it would light up. That's how you knew you were becoming a better gunner in a b seventeen or a beach four or any of the bombers? So what what he has? Here's a picture of a p sixty three king Cobra. Now, if you want to know the difference between a p thirty nine and a piece sixty three a p sixty three has a pointed tail and the really dead giveaway is it's got a four bladed prop instead of the three blade of the p sixty p thirty nine. So that's what your aircraft is. So I. Don't know. Who's bet I settled. But I want fifty percent of take. I think it was a coffee. So I'm going to have to come down and give you half a coffee now, I'll buy full coffee on that one. I was gonna say I we're due for beers. So yes, we'll definitely hook up. That's for sure. What's interesting about this picture, some people my nose when we do the show notes. There's a name at the bottom of it's an air force base. It's called Sampson air force base. And that is no longer around is David not that I'm aware of if it is probably plowed under the ground of some. We wasn't most of the was on Long Island. Yeah. It's this photograph looks like it was taken quite some time ago. It was it was and I just again, this is I'm going through somebody's flight bag and just going through a relative slight backfiring, all sorts of neat stuff. Like this. There's just like the cradle of aviation museum. And some of the people that started that having so many of these pictures, so I'll have to share some of those folks because I know you guys are really into that geeky stuff, which, you know, most of our we are so quick check on the Simpson air force base. I had looked it up. When we first started the show, and I came up with it being in the finger lakes region of New York state, which I maybe. Yeah. Okay. I stand corrected. Well, that's that's the part of Pennsylvania. I grew up in just south of the finger lakes. I thought oh, this is my my neck of the woods yet. Because when you said buffalo that makes sense. Yeah. I was gonna say that would make sense because. The bell plant was actually in buffalo. Gotcha. And may I know I'm pretty sure it was in the middle somewhere in New York state because remember them talking about going out to harrisville, which is where they have the relied or competitions Brando. Myra? Where's heads? Yes. But it's really it's interesting all this. And like I said we could talk all night about maybe Asian in history. Couldn't we. But I know that now everybody's going to be looking on their computers trying to find the Samson SEM SEO an air force base. And and. We but David by the way. That's I said, I know somebody who can answer this question. And it's interesting. What through everybody off is what you just mentioned. And it was a four bladed propeller. They're like, a wait a minute. Why is a four bladed propeller on that? And I'm glad you just answered that. Awesome. Awesome. Man. Yeah. And they're already up all of the photographs are uploaded in the dropbox ready. Max great put them into show notes. Carl. I was wondering if you can help us with something here, we have been looking for a very particular scholarship one that would apply to podcasters who are retired from Pratt and Whitney so have anything that would help get max into the cockpit. I do have scholarships, but they're for current employees at Pratt, and Whitney, and and people who are retired that have children if you have children this but to go further. No, no. But I tell you what there is podcasting scholarships out there not specific to aviation. So you can toward those. Yeah. So I'll definitely try to hook you up there. Max, I think I think that would be important, you know, to to make sure we scholarships for their scholarships, by the way for everything. It's incredible. I mean, just I think it's just terrific. You just have to get out there and look for them. And and you have to apply because you can't win it. If you're not in it as they say, right, Carl tell tell everybody where we can find the podcasts, and the resources that we've been talking about where we can find you online and all that good stuff. Sure. Thank thanks axon. Obviously we've been talking about about career so aviation careers podcast dot com. If you have questions feedback. Aviation careers podcast. I calm and we answered them online. We obviously do career coaching and all their, but we also have another podcast stuck Mike ads cast that's kind of how I got my start into the podcasting realm, and we've been doing that for years and helping out there at sun and fun, and because I like Sunan funds so much I decided to move to the off the end of the runway to three there and lakeland. So if you're in lakeland looked me up, and I'll show you around the radio station. It's right there on the grounds. If you're at sun and fun come look for us and all the other airplane geeks, folks, and all the other podcasters will be out there all week, and that's at live dot net slash SNF. You can find their aviation careers podcasts stuck Mike Afghanistan. And if you're at all interested in flight team starting at your college, let me know, and I'll try to talk you out of it. It's a lot of work now. I'm just kidding. I'll give you some advice on how to get one started. Because it's a really great thing for the students at your college. Well, let's talk about sun and fun little bit because I'm planning to be there. Max trescott it's going to be their launch pad Murray is going to be there. And in fact, I'm told we're were scheduled to be on sun and Fun Radio live on Wednesday, which would be April third twenty nineteen. You'll be able to hear us through that also through AT dot net. Is Carl just said, I I'm not sure what time we're on. I don't remember. I think it's maybe late in the afternoon. Something ish like that. So usually follow the schedule for the air show. And then either it's going to be the afternoon before the show or it's going to be after they are. So usually we do the live broadcast after the air show. So if there's a night show, and I'm not sure if there is right there. I didn't look yet. But just look at the schedule for sun and fun, and that's fly dot org. You can find all the information. About Sunan fund. And also, maybe Verron helping out or seeing what the schedule is. Yeah. Yeah. I think launchpad said that we were on before the air show before. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Launchpad, by the way, he's done a great job. He's volunteered. Every year. It's on that. I know of and he's done a wonderful job. Yes. That'd be my first first time to to sudden fund. So I'm not exactly sure what I can expect to find. So it's it's really easy. As far as the show is concerned. It's a lot smaller than the other show, which we don't mention are on the on the radio, that's uninformed radio. That's good to know. Okay. Yeah. Just a heads up there and not that we're not friendly to them. But obviously there's there's a lot going on. This is the largest expo in the state of Florida. And we have you know, well over two hundred fifty thousand people will show up through this event. And there's different vendors that are showcasing their products their airplanes. There's also the. Warburg Rancho ramp. I'd really highly recommend you going over there during the show usually in the mornings, we have the women airforce, service pilots that are right down the block from us. They come over. And we do interviews there interview. A lot of the airshow pilots. We also have as volunteers podcasters that come on. And also local radio personalities will come on and help out and it's right near Honda generators across the street from Honda generators and also next to the sunset grill. We've been there for twenty five years fifteen ten AM as what you can listen to if you're listening on the AM radio station. It's not the strongest signal. So I'd suggest getting out your device downloading live AT dot net looking up son and fund or just LA L for the lakeland airport and click play if you wanna hear what's been happening since last year. You can listen to some of the interviews. And there's some really really cool interviews that that happened at the show you're gonna you know, met, you know, you're gonna see Patty wag staff. If you'll you'll hear from max trescott, I mean people like max flight, I mean, people that are that are really out there that you hear in your head or you see out there at airshows, and and really it's a wonderful opportunity for you to actually meet some of those podcasters, and we have a big deck out front would just ask people to kind of be quiet when they're coming out there, especially if the red lights are on. But but please do say Hello. And and you'll see some of your, you know, some really cool aviators. We always have a story musk grave. He always shows up one of the astronauts, and in a lot of other really inspirational people, and and gosh, we're talking to aviation could be it'd be better falls, waffle waffles. I shouldn't. Yeah. And we are famous for our waffles at son of radio, but can't talk too much about like a secret society, the waffle society here. Sorry, dave. But the other thing too is kind of like over at Oshkosh we have camp radioactive, and that's where all the folks on the radio station campout, and this is the beginning of March. And some of the people are already there camping out. I've been hanging out with them. Every so often don't know what are the camp ground. Like, I said, I'm right down the road from them. So it's been been wonderful to see. Oh. And by the way, one thing I should mention about Sunan fund and one thing we really need to put forth is that sun and fun is not just a one week event. There's stuff that goes on all year long. They have a large highschool flying club there. They also have different events for children for young children for teenagers. We have actually on campus high school. That's right there central Florida aerospace academy, and they have many different community outreach programs that happened just about every month. And right, there is the pilot malls air, so everything there's so much aviation going. On there. It's really a lot of fun. And it's cool, and you can come on the campus anytime and take a look at the different airplanes. And of course, there's the museum there that has some incredible exhibits, and my favorite, of course, because my friends have flown for them as the red barons. And if you remember them the biplane, so they have one of those in the ceiling hanging from the ceiling, which is really cool red baron pizza. Yeah. So it's like I said, I just I'd love son of onto Mogollon for so many years for decades been volunteering their and now I'm actually volunteering for the organization as infant, and what they do for for students and the money that is collected by the way, people say, oh, the tickets might be a little expensive a lot of that goes to these programs that help students and help people get scholarships. So they can move forward in their careers and their lives co I can't wait. It's going to be an exciting week. Plus, I'll be flying in with dispatcher Mike is is the plan. So I think we'll be camp radioactive. What does that mean things that being like tents or have both? There's there are actually. Moving forward at sun and fun there the recreational association for campers has actually been there and they actually wanted full hookup. So there's full hookups. And there's there's tent camping. Just remember if you do wanna camp. Most of the sites of have been taken that a half full hookups, the other ones if you do have a motor home, you do have to turn it off at night here generator because it has to be quiet, but the majority of people either sleep under the wings their aircraft or they sleep in tents. As a matter of fact, dispatcher Mike, he actually caned my place because his place was a little bit wet had a whole bunch of people in the house last year because of the the rainstorm at the end in the funniest thing about does badger him. I remember this is that my wife. I mean, they're sitting here having dinner and stuff like that. And my wife's trying to tell him about the weather and to be careful about has flight back and look at our said, you do realize he's a dispatcher for large airline. He he does know how to read weather. Here's my wife who's not in aviation. Giving Mike briefing whether thing and he was so gracious aid just smiled, but that's Mike. He's a terrific guy. Just just a Neak I in just a wealth of knowledge to and just so much fun to be around. I mean, he really is is a very strong advocate for GE and he loves flying. Which is really cool. Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking forward to it. All right. If you more what's up with the geeks items max trescott, you got something. I do we had episode one hundred and one last week of news talk. And it was very very different was the narrative style podcast, the kind of episodes. You might hear on NPR were they tell a story and the story was all about a student pilot who on her solo flight guess she had four hours of solo time. Suddenly found the windshield covered with oil while she was out slow soloing around. And so we interviewed both the pilot the controller and have the air traffic control audio from the. Actual event and pieces all the other with narration, and it has turned out to be one of our most popular episodes ever just four or five days after it was really. So if you're interested in a really good story, but has a lot of twists and turns she had multiple landing attempts, and all I can say is she they handled it well, and you have a photo. Don't you have the oil covered windscreen, we do after she was successfully back on terra firma. She took a picture from inside the cockpit actually was video. And the thing that was really most opening to me was that you really can't see through the windshield covered with oil, really Harry. Yeah. I had always thought. Oh, sure. You probably can see something. It's like, no, no, really, no doesn't work. All right. Good last weekend. I was up at the New England air museum for that. We've been take flight event, which was fantastic. There were a lot of kids there. A lot of young girls. But also some young boys as well. And they just had a great collection of speakers, and the others that had tables set up around for the kids to talk to and participate in some activities in let me tell you. I you could see it in the kids is a lot of them. Just had there is let's say opened to the possibilities of what they could do in their life with with aviation. And it was it was really amazing. I recorded a bunch of interviews, and we'll have them them coming up. I talked with Marianne cannon cheese. Vice president of commercial engine programs at Pratt and Whitney also Shasta ways. Flu around the world solo in a Beechcraft bonanza. She has a fantastic story to tell about that. Why she did it and what she Aqa. Published? I spoke with Christy Fleischmann. She's an ex air force pilot now at acro jet promoting aviation to students here, and there were some others. I talked to some uconn students from their composites lab, the Connecticut chapter of the ninety nine's were there and Carl I met some of the ladies who are going to be at sudden fund as well excited to have them. Yeah. So we're looking forward to that mother high school students that are competing for the secorski challenge. I talked to also. So I think what we're gonna do is when we're all either on the way or at sudden fund will will bake. These interviews the episode for that week. So that'll be coming up their next event. The New England air museum is March twenty fourth twenty nineteen it's called beyond the bicep. The real story of Rosie the Riveter in. This sounds very interesting. Woman's going to speak their Amanda, Goodhart parks. She's a historian, but she's studied the history of women and engender, and she's going to talk about. Rosie the Riveter and all the implications of that. So that might be another good one. And then just a note last episode. We we talked about the video of the F thirty five demo team flight that was captured and we'll put a Lincoln the show notes to the Luke air force base demo teams website, they have a schedule there. And we Dave we were talking about you know, where they were going to be close to us and New York international air shows on August twenty fourth and twenty fifth twenty nineteen that's New York, Stewart international airport and the thirty five demo team is going to be there. So I'm going to be there the blues OB there the Geico skydivers David as well. And we'll look at the I went to look at the website. And notice that there's an offer for early bird tickets that are thirty five percent off. So. If you want to attend that air show, you might want to grab the tickets while they're cheap. All right. David anything up with you that we need to talk about. No, I just want to go to sleep at this point giving first day at work are though, it's it's kind of hard to get back into it. We have a lot of listener meal. Some really great stuff, and we're not gonna have time to do all of it this episode, so we'll have to carry over. But we can we can do a couple. We heard from Dave who said on the last show. There were comments from previous c-5 pilot about knocking holes in runways. He said when I was moving from the US to Canada har- Afghanistan in two thousand two we flew on C FIS from Fort Bragg to Ryan mind, Germany there. We transferred our equipment to C seventeen to flight a candle har-, unfortunately, they were not enough C seventeens. So they decided to fly to C fives directly to Cantu har- which had originally been built by the US. Unfortunately, Dave says when the aircraft landed they caused significant damage due to the heavy aircraft weight and the poor conditions of the runway. We then. In had to switch back to the C seventeen. He said MS comment reminded me of those incidents early in operation Enduring Freedom. He says keep up the great work on the podcast. And I talked to a C five pilot the New England air Ziam, the lady who flew the c five and they asked her about because we were talking about, you know, is there an altitude call out that helps the pie that because you're so high up in the well high up off the runway, and she said there is, but you know, mostly max, she said the same thing that you said about and she had term for like, I can't remember, but you were talking about how you kind of before you take off sort of gauge your your height above the runways of what you see out the window as it were. Yes. Because then when you go to land you're going to be a little bit higher than that just before you down. Yeah. So yeah, that's particularly important, especially if you're going to switching aircraft different heights. And so on. And she said, it's the same thing with the C five, you, you know, you sort of learn what the site is. She probably use the phrase sight picture, which would be. Yeah. I think that's what you know. Yeah. Yeah. But she also noticed noted that with the C five she said that you're supposed to land really firmly. She said it's sounds like it's a bit of a jolt. Maybe when you actually make contact with the runway, then we heard from Bjorn he says, you might remember he's the a three eighty captain that flew into Dulles for the innovations in flight pilot day Dulles last year, and I remember Bjorn he says a little feedback on the last episode with regards to the eighth three eighty I fly for a living. He says all modern airliners seven three seven eight three twentieth cetera have auto call outs on the radar altimeter. During the last few hundred feet greatly helps the judgment of the flay. Bear in the landing older. Steam gauge airliners like older seven forty sevens. The concord and so forth. Had the flight engineer. Call out the radar altitudes in the flair to achieve the same thing. He says the a three eighty has several cameras that the passengers can joy, I always love those and in airplanes, one of one on the tail overlooking the whole aircraft one just behind the nose gear looking forward in one looking below the aircraft all available on the on the flight deck, we use the tail and forward-looking cameras to safely taxi the aircraft around. But do not use it for landings. He said lastly, yes, I have had the joy of enjoying the emerets first-class shower. We were talking about that last last week. And I I think I made the comment that it's probably barely big enough for one. Well, says he says, he's a joy the first class shower many. Times. There's nothing is refreshing is taking a nice shower on a long fifteen hour flight the setup is actually quite large the size of a good size bathroom at home. Emerets? It's it's called the shower spa as it is much more than just a tiny shower cabin. So he sends a picture that shows this, and this this is a lot nicer and a lot bigger than bathroom in my house. Let me tell you this is on the eighth three eighty. I don't know Carl you you don't fly anything. That's got a shower in it. No. And if it does there's an issue, but yeah, it's actually interesting because usually I'm bumping my head against the wall. Here you can kinda stretch out. And there's like maybe five people that can get inside is the only thing I've ever seen a shower in his is a corporate jet and boy nothing like this phenomenal. This is easy. Yes. I was on a Boeing business jet recently. And Yup, pretty pretty amazing state room in the back while I was assuming it'd be something like what you see in a motor home or something like on a sailboat something of that sort. But yeah, this is pretty this is pretty posh. But Bjorn notes he said besides the passion for aviation. He's also a very active photographer, and he's got some aviation photography at his his sight. And so we'll pulling to that in the show notes. And then on batteries we've been talking about lithium. Polymer cells, and we were kind of speculating about his life. Oh, the same thing as lithium ion or subset, or what's the story here in terms of restrictions on them. And we heard from Sam Hebel Semede who says in this week show max west commented on the apparent distinction in airline cargo rules regarding lithium cells. He says lithium polymer cells are just a subset of lithium ion they use a polymer gel electrolyte rather than a liquid electrolyte. However, they still work basically the same way in are all part of a group generically known as lithium ion. There are also many different chemistry blends that all incorporate lithium, including lithium titan. Eight lithium cobalt oxide and lithium nickel manganese cobalt that they have varying properties of energy density and power in all cases, he says it's the electrons that are pulled off. The lithium atoms to travel across the terminals or the lithium ions traverse between the road in the cathode. So thanks to Sam for that. Sam knows this stuff. Sam is a analyst at navigate research, and Sam is involved in some other tech shows that you may have heard his name. So we appreciate Sam given us little clarification on lithium ion batteries. All right. Maybe we can do one more. We have a recording that came in from Jeremy and he's talking about Tokyo's Hannity airport. And let's listen to Jeremy. I don't know. My name is Jeremy and currently living Switzerland in few weeks ago. You were talking about airports that have great observation decks, I used to be baked into I lived in Tokyo for eleven years, the main airport that serves the international community is to report which they've not had a good observation. However, Tokyo's an airport, which is actually busier I think it's the fourth busiest in the world, how international airport and three unbelievably great survey's index at the airport accessible without going through security as well as a turn of other observation areas around the airport accessible with public transportation and to museums one for Japan Airlines, which is free and one for only on Airways, which is not free. But also worth it. It's probably the best airport for airplane. Geeks who don't have cars and big Tripos. It's located right by the sea. So you can. Actually, even take a cruise at night or during the day and get right up close right under landing airplanes are funds that are taking off anyways. If anyone's going to Japan, it is totally worth a day or even two days to explore all of your response. Great picture places. Amazing. Both were playing okay has a wonderful afternoon day, whatever sorry to make my long ago. I hope I'm one can go out there to Japan because it really is heaven fare-paying geeks. Unlike Switzerland and their twenties. Okay, Bye-bye very takes. Jeremy the I used to fly into Rita fairly frequently on business trips, which ironically, the meetings were all over the ADA airport, but back then that was kind of primarily domestic airports, kind of smallish sort of at least. Compared to know Rita Nerina didn't have much I would hang out in the United lounge at the time. And you got a pretty good view of the of the runway, actually, but disservices a general observation area. It was it was kind of lacking. So, yeah, it's exciting to hear that NATO that they've got something a little more exciting Carl. You've never have you flown international at all not to international mean Europe. Now, most of it's been like South America that kind of area just Peru Colombia that type of thing. But now most people I guess consider flying international going with upon their maybe who knows I may might wind up doing it. But I love I love the South American and Caribbean line. So do pilots ever hang out at the airport and watch the planes land. Or is that just for everybody else? So you guys you guys have get enough of it already. It depends on who you are. I mean some. Some do some don't I think, you know, it depends. It really depends on your background some guys are into general aviation airplanes. And some are not. But it's always fun. You know, going down like Saint Martin hanging out at the airport, and or the the little bar there and just looking at the airplanes take off and land. But in in general, there's a lot of guys that don't even wanna see an airplane after they get off that they've been around them for for so long. But it is I think it's still fun to see all the cool things that are there are flying out there. And I still like to look at Eighty-three twenties. Even though I know you're listener it was getting sick of seeing them over there. And and Switzerland, they're quite quite prevalent there. But, but yeah, it's, but it is interesting though, when you talk to people, they they do get into some really intricate detail on on certain things, and there's a lot of guys especially where I am that own Warbirds like t- sixes and the own Stevens and things like that. So most of them are kind of getting there. Kicks that way more. So than looking at airliners, they love old airplanes. And I get in hanging around. Yeah. Sure. Sure. All right. So we'll wrap it up here. We've got quite a lot of other great listener feedback will roll over till next week's episode. Meantime, we wanna thank you for listening to episode five hundred forty three of the airplane. Geeks podcast. Of course, you can always find this airplane. Geeks dot com, or if you want to go straight to the show notes for this episode that's airplane. Geeks dot com slash five. Four three Carl Valeri. We want to thank you so much for coming back on that. We have to have you back more often. I think but looking forward to seeing you at sun and fund once again, tell our listeners where they can find you online first of all it's a pleasure always being here. And I love hand you guys, and you really love what you're doing. And it definitely shows everybody that's ever been on this podcast and defy me aviation Kerr's pod. Dot com and stuck Mike Avci dot com. That's the best way to find us. And during son of don't forget live AT dot net slash SNF. Your favourite max and max will be on there. Or if I could live up to my this. That's that's that's live. Right. Nobody edits it. So there's well there's the live show that goes on. And we we actually broadcast that live. But also afterwards we take the interviews and we do replay though. So those are edited the interviews and the ones that are done in the field. But also, here's another thing. If you're wanting to listen to the show, go on we actually broadcast the live show, the actual airshow. They take it over at air show center, and you can listen to all the different air show performers and right on live ATC dot net slash s enough. But you will hear all those interviews throughout the year. Which is really really cool. Yeah. Very nice. All right. David Vanderhoek where the folks find you online when you come up. I'm working on it. I didn't want to hear me snoring. Did you? Keys. Yeah. We gotta get you into bed for you have another big day of work tomorrow. Don't you the second day in a row, I'm not used to this? 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655 Bits & Pieces XXVIII

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655 Bits & Pieces XXVIII

"This is the airplane geeks podcast. Her aim is to educate and inform you explore and expand your passion for aviation and entertain you a little along the way. This is a special bits and pieces episode longtime listeners. Know how this goes when we have major holiday like memorial day we take the week off to be with our family and friends instead of an episode in the regular format. We published an episode with pre recorded segments from our hosts contributors and even listeners. Like you we call them. Bits and pieces episodes this time. It's a bits and pieces to cover two weeks off so it's a bit longer than our usual episodes. Actually it's a lot longer but hey you've got two weeks to listen. Here's what we have for you. Brian talks about his flight on avello with mica launchpads interview with redbird flight. Simulations josh harnett vice president of marketing. I catch up with nikki about her flying adventures a conversation with sandy sanderson about the covert ravens program launchpads interview with hank coats. Ceo of the commemorative air force in caf's. Nancy mcgee vice president of education. Also my interview. With major danny gil from the united states air force aerial targets squadron then dennis klotz and trent mcmillan on the flying musicians association and finally a commentary from mica about sustainable jet fuel her right. Let's get started first up. We recently talked about the new. Ultra low cost carrier avello. Brian coleman recently flew on avello and he describes his experience to mica. Hey it's your main man mica and we're back with brian and boy did that sound fake yes so this is bryan and it seems like we're getting ready to do our own weekly podcast at this point over travel experiences. Well i certainly hope not but nonetheless Yes we're back with pasadena. Brian former associate producer from the airplane geeks. And we have another trip report for you and this is really kind of a unique trip report that was sort of mentioned on the show earlier because it was in the show notes and you flew with a new airline. What airline is that in fact. How do you pronounce that airline. It looks like it should be pronounced abloh but they actually pronounce it avello. I was never sure if it was avello or avi low but either way it's a you're a fine fellow to do a trip report with. Yeah thank you so much. Yeah and it's kinda fun that they're headquartered out of Burbank and for those people that don't know. Us geography pasadena. Burbank are two adjacent cities so by far it significantly easier for me to get to burbank airport than it is. Lax where out of With the launch of the new airline. I thought i'd give him a try and see what the experience was like. And if you're from my generation you hear the name of that town burbank. And you hear beautiful downtown burbank in your head from laughing now. Avello is a limited low cost carrier and ultra low cost carrier in fact and they only have a few destinations. When did you fly them brian. And why did you decide to go and take flight on avello. Really the only reason why decided to fly is because they had a nineteen dollars fair and they had a feud of their various destinations. They're supporting sort of secondary or tertiary markets. So yeah not not necessarily the most popular places on the planet but many of the major airlines have pulled out of these secondary markets and avello has seen this as an opportunity I guess one could even say burbank is a secondary market compared to lax. Were very very close. But still it's an under served market and going to other places just makes a whole lot easier so my original plan was to fly from burbank to grand junction colorado. That's a beautiful place. That was your original plan. So i'm guessing that when you say your original plan means that something happened and there was another plan. Yes i thought. I was being smart here and i book my ticket for the day of flight. So avella's been flying for about three weeks now and they just started service off this past monday going from burbank to grand junction. And they don't fly every day so it's a monday wednesday friday route for them so i thought i would be smart and book my team on wednesday just to avoid any possible issues however. Wanna get to the airport. I was greeted by agent. That said oh. I'm so sorry you're going to grand junction. We've cancelled that flight because of mechanical. Now one of the other challenges with launching an airline and avello With their limited capacity right now they only have three aircraft so it's kinda hard to pull another aircraft maintenance or move other equipment around to get of flight to go where it's going so just canceled the one and only flight for the day. The person at the ticket counter was phenomenally. Nice and said we're quite happy to re accommodate you on another day for example if you wanted to go on friday. We're quite happy to do that. And i looked at her and pointed. I confuse her with what i said. Next which was so your next to and she said war next flight. Today's going to santa rosa. I said craig can move me on the flight to santa rosa and to looked at me and said but you were going to grand junction said. Yeah that's okay. i'll go to santa rosa instead. She said you were going to grand junction. Said yeah. it's okay. If you notice on my ticket i was returning today. So i really don't care where i'm going i just want to go on your flight and experience it and come back so as long as the santa rosa flight comes back today. I'm good make sense to me after all. If you don't know where you're going you'll probably end up someplace else. And then i got there so to me. It really didn't matter if i went to grand junction or he went to santa rosa and they were phenomenally accommodating in ultimately getting me there but there was a challenge along the way as well challenge along the way. That doesn't sound promising. Well it's one of those things where your brand new airline ever brand new reservation system and you're trying to get things. Launched launched and well you kind of run into problems along the way. Now i had heard something about when avello. I opened up the reservation system. They managed to take down three or four different airlines the same time with a crash. Is this what we're talking about. Yes and no. I've heard the story a little bit differently. But the gds a stands for global distribution system the network that airlines use to book. There are a few companies. probably the most popular. One that people know about is saber. And i believe american airlines owns them or at least they used two years ago and a daughter company of theirs called radical is the company that uses to really manage the sale of tickets and the fine folks at cranky flier brett road really good article a little bit ago about the crash of the rhetoric system and how it affected i believe thirty or so global carriers and they were down for three or four days because of whatever system issue they had and when you're launching an airline like avello losing your ability to sell tickets really create some problems. Although i didn't have an issue buying my ticket i certainly had an issue when the representative went to change my ticket at the airport because they couldn't actually do it at the airport because they're still experiencing some problems so although you could go to the website and buy a ticket. Their systems at the airport. As i said are still having some problems so she actually put me on the phone with a representative in the call center. Who took my information. They had to go through and explain to her what i was trying to do. And i completely confused her again by changing destinations But she she took them my number and said she'd call me back in a few minutes and a few minutes later she didn't need call me back and said that i was booked on the flight to santa rosa. And for those. That aren't familiar with santa rosa It's beautiful town in northern california. And it's where charles shulz used to live. And charles schulz as the author of the peanuts comicstrip so snoopy and charlie brown and it was great being able to see the airport because i always heard that there was the peanuts motif at the santa rosa airport and it was great fun being able to check that out and see if all the rumors i heard about the airport where true now santa rosa. That's a few hundred miles north of Of our our friend max. Trescott isn't it. Did you have a chance to call him. And tell him hey. Come to the airport happier shares and meet me there. I would have except the turnaround. Time was about forty minutes so when you deplane because airport so small. There's no terminal building that you go into per se have to deplane go into baggage claim. They have to go through security again and then go into a temporary tent structure which is the Departure lounge to board the plane. And by the time i did all that deplaned walk through boarding went through. Tsa which there's two people in front of me at tsa which is really nice going into these secondary markets and i got to the waiting room. They had already started to board the flight. So the flight attendants were able to get the plane spruced up and ready to go. Take me back to burbank. So no sadly i. I was not able to see. Or talk with max you know. Avello is an ultra low cost carrier that you el-sisi and you have a bad reputation for a lot of good reasons. Sometimes but one of the things that avello does that i just love is that they are charging for well. All ultra low cost carriers charged for check bags and some charge for carry on bags but avella seems to have it right. There charging ten dollars for check bags. What a deal. But they're charging thirty dollars for carry on bags because they know if you're bringing a carry on on the plane it's to slow them down exactly now. They really didn't have that problem of having to charge people for carry on bags because both segments had about forty people on board so there is plenty of overhead space. And there is plenty of social distancing on the flight. But you're absolutely right. I think under normal times under normal flight. I would really hate the idea of having to pay thirty five dollars to bring my bag on board however given the nineteen dollars fare compared to what other airlines charge going between los angeles and san francisco it still is a phenomenally inexpensive deal and only thirteen ten dollars to put it in the belly of the plane. Also a really good deal. Now you said there were only forty people on board now avello flies seven thirty seven eight hundred. They have a capacity of like one hundred ninety kept passengers. it must have been wonderful. What will what was it like room wise. And how would you have felt if you were packed in well. One of their business models is how they have the plane configured so the normal seat pitch is twenty eight inches which is really really tiny however they have other seats that have a tad bit more. Legroom that goes. I believe all the way up to thirty five inches and they charge based on the quantity of legroom that you have of course exit rows have a bit more legroom. They charge for those as well. They charge a separate fee for if you're sitting at the front of the plane versus the back of the plane. I found it really interesting when i went to buy the ticket. You can buy the ticket and one of the steps along the processes to choose your seat and they give you seat map and very clear over. What's the you can pick and how much it would cost for that seat but you can also choose not to get a seat at all and then it turns into a roulette game when you get to the airport as to what seat they'll assign you and just wanting to pay the nineteen dollars for my fair. I wanted to try my luck and things were going to go and actually got a. I'd say middle tier seat so it wasn't The least expensive center seat which i was expecting that they normally charged four dollars for that seat in the back of the plane. They actually gave me a sixteen dollar seat through my random selection. So i'd i sort of felt as i was lucky in that regard that i got an upgrade for free. Well you're a first class guy normally. They must've thought of that on your right away but you know what sort of surprises me. Is that if they had all this room. I mean probably close to one hundred and twenty empty seats. Wouldn't they try to put everybody in the best seats possible. So they all have a really good experience or that they come back to avello at a later time. I'm not sure during these times. That i would have been a smart thing to do so i think having passengers spaced out reasonably was a good idea. I also think that they want to reinforce to passengers that you pay for the seat that you get and i think from a weight and balance issue. I'm not sure if you'd want all of the passengers in one section of the plane as well But being so late again. I don't know if that really would have made much of a difference. So how was the flight. What was it like on their. Did you get served food. They charge there was no food service however i was very surprised. They came across with a snack packs so there was a bottle of water. A package of warna doone cookies One of my favorites and a sanitizing wipe. That was all in in a package and actually handed those out for free. I was really expecting them to charge for water. Soft drinks or anything And they didn't so. That was really a nice pleasant surprise. They did not offer food for sale nor any other beverages. So you really had to choice of this water Snack pack thing or nothing at all and pretty much. Everyone that i saw ended up taking the the pack. So that was. I think a nice touch on their part it says night. And what we i mean were you comfortable. How long a flight is it. It was a little over. I think fifty minutes. I it was booked. I think for an hour and fifteen minutes but they tend to pad the schedules these days a little bit so actual flight time you know certainly under an hour so that was fine and kinda of like flying on south west. I don't mind being in such a small seat for a flight. That's under an hour. It's really not much of a problem when no one sitting next to you really. Everyone had the entire robe for themselves in less if they were traveling with someone I didn't notice anyone have the courage to spread out on their own. But i think the way they had. The the aircraft organized no really needed to sound like it was a good time. Now some of the other destinations the avello flies are Bozeman montana which is actually the gateway to yellowstone park and ogden ogden salt lake city utah and grand junction. As you mentioned they also go into phoenix up into washington state to the pasco. Tri county airport You can get into redmond oregon and and reading so some of the flights you know might run. Maybe a couple of hours but But it sounds like most of them are pretty short hops. Yeah and i think if i were to take the flight to bozeman. I'd probably pay the extra money to have the extra legroom but being new configuration of an aircraft. The seats were certainly comfortable is comfortable. Slimline seat can be the. I didn't have a problem with. Its but but again for a longer flight just me personally. I'd i'd probably pay the extra money to have a little bit more space now. How many one flight. A day that they go up from burbank to santa rosa or one flight. A day to all of these These airports or is it Multiple times. I think for santa rosa because of the demand they have two flights day to grand junction. They only had one flight as they get more experienced. They're going to be building out their network but for right now it's either one or two flights a day to each the destinations and with only three aircraft servicing so many destinations. You kinda have to do that well. Speaking of building out their network you know We mentioned cranky flier before Cranky had a great article on his website. was may tenth and it talks about avello has also announced that they're going to be starting service on the east coast out of new haven connecticut in tweet airport. A tiny little airport right on long island sound in connecticut north of new york city that currently only has american eagle service. That's regional service to philadelphia. That's it and while avello hasn't announced where they're flying to cranky assumption and it's a great article. I highly encourage you to read it Is probably going to be going to florida. And he suspects he's going to be They're going to be pulling a lot of people out of the northeast Because there ought to be some great rates and it's a a good location in addition to that they're putting one point two million dollars into the airport. So i think the expansion at the airport itself is going to be great and i think the service for the folks in eastern new york and the connecticut area are really going to appreciate not having to go to jfk. Laguardia or god forbid newark. Sorry i'm from new jersey. So i get to make fun of them Those airport so i i think this is actually a really good opportunity for avello and why was on the plane i asked the flight attendants if they knew anything about the route structure and if they're going to be any east west flights because i would really like to try them out for that because i have a really good friend that lives in connecticut and w- actually max flight lives in connecticut so i could kill two birds with one stone here and see see my friend and max and do it with a avello so i'm really looking forward to seeing if they will do any east west routes. I think that would be great. And if if they don't do the east west route than we just. Max you hear this mr flight. You're going to have to drive down to tweet. Airport and give us a trip report on avello to florida there. You go so you said you were speaking with the flight attendants. They must be new to. This may be new flight attendants or they might have come over from another airline. What was it like. did you have any. Did you have a chance to talk to any of them really. I did especially since we're so few people on the airplane. I took the opportunity to get up and talk with them to the flight. Attendants were were kind enough to Spend some time with me. One of them was actually a furloughed flight attendant Who formerly flew on. United was based in miami so she actually moved from miami to The los angeles area for this job. And i thought that was. That was great really interesting. Another another woman was formerly in the hospitality business She worked at a restaurant and saw the opportunity to be a flight attendant and decided to leave her her job being a waitress and become a flight attendant and i asked him about the the process because i thought being an experienced flight attendant versus a brand new flight attendant would be different and they actually said no. They both went through the same two week training class in florida so it didn't matter belt previous experience. Wow now did you have a chance by any means to get onto the flight deck and and talk to the pilots. Unfortunately know that of course was one of my questions and kind of a disappointment of the flight when i I boarded the aircraft. I asked if i could talk with a flight crew and they said that the flight attendant said they're quite busy getting prepared for for takeoff But possibly when when we landed They would. They would have time to talk with me. And when we landed back burbank. I asked if if they could Spend some time and they never open the door. So never up in santa rosa. They never greeted the passengers or said goodbye to the passengers. And then in burbank. They kept the door closed. So i'm not sure if it's because i'd asked to talk with them that they kept the door closed or if it's just company policy or they were busy writing up whatever but that was that was certainly a disappointment in the flight. So you've had this experience. It sounds like overall it was pleasant. You think you'll fly them again might you. might you call up mr trescott. And say hey. I'm coming up. let's have lunch. yeah. I absolutely would. I was surprised over the well. I guess i shouldn't have been surprised over the newness of the aircraft. Because i believe all three aircraft that they have or are brand new and even if they're not doesn't matter because they were completely it looks like they were completely gutted and and retrofitted So they looked like they were new aircraft. The flight attendants were phenomenally pleasant. The gate agents were super nice. The people at the ticket counter although they had what i would like to chalk up as growing pains because of the issue with radic's They had their challenges but again they were sue bird. Nice and pleasant people to be around Unlike some of my other experiences with the legacy carriers going into secondary airports might be a challenge for people. But certainly if you wanted to check out the wine region in northern california of either be napa sonoma and you live around the burbank area. They're excellent choice. And i wouldn't hesitate and recommending them and i look forward to actually find them again sometime. Well can't wait to hear about that one and And maybe we'll be able to do this again sometime soon. Sounds good looking forward to it. Hey for the airplane. Geeks is your main man. Mike and i guess. I got to call myself now. A contributor at large this is brian. We'll talk y'all later and fly safely reporter at large launch pad. Murray visited redbird. Flight simulations in austin texas and spoke with josh hawley vice president of marketing. Here playing gigs reporter at large launch pad. Murray the world of flight simulation. If you start digging into the rules gets really confusing really fast. And you're like wait. I can do this. But i can't do that in this doesn't count. And what makes the difference so clear all that up. I flew down here to red bird in austin texas. And i'm with josh article and josh. Let's talk about the flight simulator world because i'm confused. Let's start clearing the mud up at the bottom level there's the microsoft flight simulator x plane. Which we all love. But that doesn't count right. That's right so those are not qualified by the faa or any new foreign or international. See a civil aviation authority to count towards training like but my big asterik on all of this. Is it still valuable. It may not go in the log book but if you can shoot an approach on microsoft flight sim at home before you actually go out and do it in the airplane. There's probably some value in that. Still all right now. The faa breaks out. The next one is flight training devices and then they have one through seven. But you know you know subbed of that but what a flight training device so flight training device is a we'd call him a simulator. It's something you'd probably see in a flight school and in typically nowadays their level four through seven and they used to do some of the lower levels but that's been replaced by an add which. I'm sure we'll talk about. And but the f. Td is really built around a specific type. Like one seventy two or king air or something like that and it's used Oftentimes in a in a like a university training program or somebody training part one forty two training program sim calm and their Requirements on those are a little more onerous on this on the operator simulator. So they've kind of fallen out of favor for most general aviation training okay and these are desktop devices. No necessarily there. They can be an enclosed with big projectors that kind of thing in the f. td specification doesn't really say that it's a desktop device or a larger device. In fact most of std's now are larger full cockpit. Simulators all right well. Let's step up the progression ladder hearing goto and an aviation training device. Which i guess now like everything has to come in different flavors yes so the aviation training device is actually kind of on par with the f. Td an especially the lower level. Ft's in two thousand and eight. I believe that a came up with a way. simulator manufacturers to self qualify their devices and as long as the end user didn't change anything at qualifications stays in place Which makes the the burden of owning a simulator and having to go to the national simulator program every year to get requalified and all that that you have to do with an f. Td much easier and it really opened up the market and made Simulator training way more accessible. And there's two flavors of that there's basic aviation training device and there's an advanced training device of course because we've got to make it more complicated. Yeah exactly and so the. The basic aviation training device tends to be more of a desktop unit A lot of times individual pilots onum can fire six approaches in six months logging for your instrument currency requirements and in eighteen d. or aa td advanced aviation training device tends to be more for flight schools. Universities that kind of thing that are engaged in the business of light training okay. Let's the basic one where you said log your six Approaches is there a record. You have to like. Have it modem in so that you get credit for it. How does how does that work at this point you. What you need to do is just put it in your logbook. Note the approach And note that it was flown in a bat. Td or an eighty and that just like if you're not in the airplane flew an approach in actual accounts on so you you. There's no third party that needs to be involved Certifying it okay. So it's on the honor says if you went and floated you wrote in your logbook. Trust the faa saying being an honest person. Okay now the advanced training or the the advanced aviation training device. Boy don't you just love all these acronyms all right. Let's step up the ladder here and let's go to full flight sims. What's a full flight. Sim so a full flight is probably what you think about. When you think about airline flight simulators. It's a huge traction with six legs on on hydraulic or electric pneumatic actuated. Jacks and it's got a full cockpit big projector screens inside and those like everything have different levels but those are what professional pilots trained on. You can get a type certified certificate inside of a level d full flight simulator without ever stepping in the real airplane so when you hear the stories about the first time ever flew the airplane with passengers in the back. That's where they that's where that comes from his they were training full flight simulator before they got on the line okay in a full flight simulator. You've heard us listeners. That's geeky for a moment. Six degrees of motion though six degrees are what you normally expect which is roll pitch and yaw which are the first three but then you have x. y. z. Which is the ability to move the entire simulation platform straight up forward and back and left and right in level. Those are the other three so that brings up. We're back to what redbird makes you make full motions. Are you make motion simulators. And you do three degrees of control. Yes so we built an our advanced station training device the flagship simulator. Mci with the idea that it's we wanted to have a balance of easy to qualify easy to get credit for flight school without having to do yearly renewals but make the training as effective as possible in that framework so we include things that are not required. Things like wraparound visuals. More avionics and more panel configurations that are required than are required by the fa in motion. Because we think it has motion in particular as a lot of value for new pilots new instrument pilots and it really helps sell the realism of the flight. For sure whether it's only but again there's a when you go to that six degree. The cost just goes up. Exponentially start moving the decimal place two or three positions to the right. Yeah exactly the the There's not a really cheap way to do six degrees of freedom and and at that level there's also a bunch of requirements around visuals. And that can it. That's one of the things we export. That really makes the cost. Go up because you have to have these huge mirrors to reflect images off and combing late him so it gets pretty expensive pretty quick now. You make more practical simulators for like flight schools. That don't require like huge amounts of h vac. Yeah one of the main requirements that we saw when we came into industries we wanted a simulator that we could put inside a regular classroom fit through a standard size door runoff wall. Power hundred ten could run carpet eight foot ceiling and could be assembled by two or three people in about a day. and so. that's really that you know those sort of Fences were designed around. So yeah you can put it in just about any room and in a normal building goes through normal sized door no special weight requirements on the floor. No ceiling you know fire or any of that stuff that makes it pretty convenient now your target. Who's your target audience. So we really run the gamut across aviation. We have stuff that's for people that are just into fights him don't even not even real pilots and through your instrument rated private pilot and you wanna stay current at home we have a simulator product for that but then the large are really for flight schools universities and airlines smaller airlines flight departments. That kind of thing because we we also in addition to your standard j fleet your one seventy twos and barons. We have simulators for king airs in caravans mustangs and citations. And that anything. Now that's important We hinted upon that earlier. Is that if you build a simulator to be a king air three hundred you. You'd certified for a king air three hundred. You can't suddenly get credit for flying using it to train for king. Air eight hundred. Yes so It the a the event. The events aviation training device qualification level allows for different configurations. So are air for example Can do We have a senior three fifty. That can do different avionics packages But yes if we're doing king two hundred the switch. The switches are different. Everything's different about it. So that's kind of a different simulator At that level when you get at the lower seventy choose pipers beechcraft those can be interchangeable an inside the same simulator. One that gets back to the fact that when you fly your six approaches it doesn't say that you have to fly them in your airplane used have to fly them in a i f are certified airplane and for most part anyone flying. It's all about category and class airplane. Single engine land that kind of thing and that's the level of certification as a qualification. that's required for the td category in class. Let's talk about manipulating knobs does The faa seems to be very concerned. About what whether how you interface with the controls yeah. So that's one of the main lines in the sand about whether a unit device could be qualified to get credit is whether you're using I think refer to it as computer hardware computer input devices to control the simulator. So if you're using a mouse something like that you're probably not gonna. It's not gonna be able to be qualified but if you can touch knob or touch screen that in that interacts with the avionics than that. That's kind of the line. you have to do. Cross house production going. We just walked through your Facility here and it seems like you're just cranking on it Are you making to order or do you have back Can people just buy one off the shelf. Yeah actually since about may or june of last year within just cranking busy We depending on and which unit you're looking at some of them. We might be like the jay we might be able to ship you in two weeks But the larger sims. There's i think an eight or nine week backlog on those And they're soon as we have production slide open. We sell it. So you Your booked out for like the rest of the summer in the year as far as production. Yeah i think we're booking now into a late august early september. Oh that's great anything. How okay and we just been walked through the facilities and this is all manufactured locally here in austin right. Yeah and we actually do. An we have a few subcontractors but they're all in the austin area and we do all the final assembly of all the products here in house in our facility here and the steel for the motion platforms actually made an indianapolis and ship. Down assembled and ready to be assembled but other than that it's all done in-house and that includes we saw where you were sending parts out to get him powder coated and painted guests. Yeah we'll we'll do on powder coating here locally. In austin we assemble our own circuit boards wire harnesses all that kind of stuff in house. You mentioned earlier that you've done sales to schools and colleges for multiple of like j. simulators. Yeah one of the really interesting things over. The last few years has been the expansion of aviation inside middle and high schools Programs for teaching stem math science technology topics And it's becoming a really big part of a lot of these stem programs and so the j. simulator which is our desktop not faa approved. But that means you can do a lot of stuff with it. Simulator has been really popular in that space. We'll send School districts by twelve fifteen twenty fifty of them and create aviation laboratories for their district for school and the difference being is a j. Simulator is an industrial strength. Yo yo can control stuff so unlike consumer grade stuff which may not handle the young kids banging on it constantly. This is more a sturdy product. Yeah we actually built a specific version of j four schools and public institutions would Hard us the other nice thing about is it's all in one It's monitor computer controls. All in one box you don't have to mix and match Parts you don't have to install any software comes ready to go set up like ten minutes plug it in. It's good the other nice thing about it from a you have a school with thirty year laboratory. If one of them breaks you can ship it back. And we'll ship you new depending on your warranty and all that kind of stuff. So it's not like you're dealing with multiple manufacturers different components that you have to try to sort out what's breaking and what's the problem especially integrating software into your third party product you here. It's a single package. Well we've been looking at what you have been doing. Anything coming down the pipeline. Yeah we're actually working on a really exciting a new new project. That is really for individual pilots. It's not it's not really targeted at flight schools. Don't think there's a lot of them would just really excited about it. And i think at oshkosh this year will be able to announce it and talk about it a lot more. Oh era adventure on. I've missed it. I've missed it for sure. Will there you go listeners. Were down here at redbird. Getting excited about flight. Sims will josh. This has been great. Thank you for hosting us if our listeners. Wanna no more. Where would they go so good at. Www dot redbird flight dot com. And you got all information you need there. You go listeners flight simulation it's so cool we like to thank redbird for hosting us. This is your reporter. At large launchpads ari fruit to change approved. Good day his many of you know. I volunteered with sun. Fund radio at the sun. Fun aerospace expo. In twenty twenty one as a reporter. I roamed the event. Recording interviews were broadcast locally on fifteen ten am and streamed worldwide on live atc dot net slash snf. I caught up with airplane geeks contributor. Nikki this is max flight from the airplane. Geeks podcast this week. I'm on special assignment for some fun radio from sudden fund twenty one and i'm here with nikki now one of the things that's fascinating to me about these kinds of events. Is you meet people here that you only meet here every year. And so you've got twelve months worth of catching up to do and nikki's one of those kinds of people nikki's pilot enthusiastic pilot and tell us about the the the endorsements the rate. What's your path right now that you're on. My current path is currently working on my commercial rating. I just passed my written waiting for my check right for that. Then i'll go on to see a fi. And i want to start just teaching people how to fly. That's what i want to do. And why's that why's that attractive to you. I enjoy teaching. I've actually spent years teaching archery and enjoy teaching In civil air patrol. I teach cadets so it's just a natural progression for me to go into aviation and teach people how to play aviation now if you're interested in becoming a cf. I how would you do that. You get associated with particular flying school or do it as an independent. How would you do that. Well it really depends on the individual you can do it both ways you can purchase your own aircraft and hire a cfi to teach you. I went through an actual flight school or flight club. So i pay a monthly small monthly fee to be part of a club. And then i have a pool of flight instructors and i interviewed each of the flames. Directors picked one. I really liked He's here today. It's uninformed to and then he and i just go flying all the time now. We'll go flying for breakfast. And that's how i got to know all of my flight. Instructors picked one. I like and he does all of my flight training until i hit and then when you hit cf. I would you also stay associated with that club. Most likely i will because there again. There are a lot of personal individuals. It's not a big flight school My goal is not to fly for the airlines. i just wanna become. Cf teach maybe become a aa. Maybe knock on wood and so The aircraft you've been flying recently recently. I've been flying a cessna. One seventy two n it's an older model one seventy two but we've upgraded all the avionics in it so i pretty much have all glass instruments in my plane Have a garment five thirty in it. So i did all my instrument work on that and on the back end of it. I'm actually currently working on a volunteered museum. Also working on an st tracker. So that's one of my big things. I love doing. What's s two tracker. A nasty tracker released ours was originally. I was a sub hunter. It actually carried a torpedo to hunt down subs and then i believe they did reconnaissance with it after the fact that it's got big radial engines and it's a really cool airplane and it. It probably doesn't have the argument that it had a ratio. It still has its torpedo bay and we have some of the old radios in all of them were killed. So the boxers are there and a lot of times. They'll drill a hole through the circuit boards but we can still open the bombay to drop the torpedo but there's nothing in there But if you're sitting in the cockpit the release is still there to open it and it's kinda cool but right now we're working on the detail the airplane so i'm pulling apart the entire tail so next week and i'm pulling off the elevators. Never gonna pull off the rudders and we're gonna clean sitting for ten years so we're going to pretty much ripped the whole planet art. Make sure everything is light. Were put it all back together. Again and cross our fingers is there. Is there documentation For assembly and disassembly and all that kind of thing the specifications. You have the drawings. We have all the books for it so if you if you're an an Ambi you open up the book and it tells you where every single nut and bolt is for the aircraft. So i wor- i am not an an p. but i work with three of them while i'm working on the aircraft's today tell me. Remove all these bulletin. I spend all day removing like one panel because all the bolts arrested and they've been sitting for ten over ten years so i it's it's a very long and fun project and when it's completed it you've got something that you can be really proud of something that you can look at it and say. Hey you know. I did that. Yes yes yes. In fact one of the people. I work with is the pilot. That's going to fly it so it's a. It's a lot of fun. And i can't wait till i'm guessing from now. Might fly again very good roller far too that you would you fly in. You live in in here in florida but would you fight in. I would fly if they let me fly it in you need a type rating because it's over twelve thousand five hundred pounds But by the time. It's flight worthy. I should have a i should be able to. I should have my multi engine commercial rating for it. So if they allow me to get a type rating pay for it. And i would like it in a heartbeat. It's probably thirty minutes from here by airplane. It's probably two hours driving. But it's about i would guess thirty minutes. They believed the plane cruises at two hundred and fifty knots. I think was very good. That's cool now you've been to. I don't know how long you've been in florida. But you've been to sunan fund at least once before i know yes. This is my fourth son and fine. But this is the first time. I've actually as a participant. I almost always volunteer for sonnen fine. I volunteered but civil air patrol. I volunteer just as a individual for sun and fun fact. I even got a safety award from sun and fun for saving. Someone's life did i. I remember that. Yes so i was told when i got it. I was only the third person. Sunday fund history to ever get it. I've not been able to confirm or deny that yet but it sits on my desk. It's a really nice award You know it has the date. I i did the deed and everything. That's impressive and of course you just derived Shortly so you haven't been around the campus much here today But i imagine that attending as Regular instead of his volunteers going to be kind of a different experience. Well yes the first big thing is you know i had to pay to get in. That was that was the first It is because as year you're normally focusing on one major area or like yourself. You're walking around interviewing people for me. I can go to all the different events. I can sit down and event. I'd have a schedule. I have to hear to this year. I'm actually looking to buy an airplane. So i'm actually looking at all the private aircraft which i have never done as a volunteer because i'm normally where the people are anything kind of Specific in mind type that you're interested in Currently i'm looking at an air coupe. Because specifically they can be lights depending on making model you buy but also they don't have rudder pedals. I spent a lot of times teaching paralympic archery. And when i become a cf. I i would like to teach people who are possibly paralyzed who have not had the opportunity to fly. And cincinnati group does not have rudder pedals. It is a very easy aircraft to teach in nikki. You're such a good person. That is a a an outstanding jekyll. That's probably a group of people that have difficulty of flying in the few can do something to make that easier for them. It's just wonderful. Yes and if you if you're a part of flying magazine there's actually been articles of other pilots who have been air allies for one reason or the other and they're they explain how they had challenges at first becoming a pilot and how they overcame those. And that's kind of what inspired me to do this especially with my background from Archery and i thought it would be something fun to do. And i like air kooks. They're cool little airplane. Is there something about being a proficient proficient in archery. And and piloting that's related. Well probably is in archery. You have to always practice. You always have to be you know you wanna shoot your boat at least five times a week and flying. You always want to be studying. You know you never stop studying. You know you can buy a magazine and just open it up. There's always an article about how to recover from a stall or how to do this or how to learn about something or even think about sun and find son and fund normally. It's normal airport. But it has a very specific approach procedure. So even if you weren't coming this uninformed you can open up the book and study how to do it though you're studying for the day that's something you're learning aviation you're learning you never know everything never got and almost any violent will tell it will tell you that that it's a kind of a lifelong journey and then getting better and better and learning more and more and that attracts a certain type of person. I think someone who's Also likes to adhere procedures and process and You know a loose. Cannon is not a good candidate for for for being piloted. I guess so well. It's a it's a little grey hopefully ceiling lift a little bit and we'll get some Some good air show performances in the afternoon. So it's great to see you again. Nikki great to catch up with you. Hope you have a wonderful day at sun and fun. Are you going to be here. Just saturday saturdays. We record this. Or you're gonna be here for the entire weekend. Depending on the weather. I will be here the entire weekend. Believe or not tomorrow. My mother is coming. This'll be your very first air show so rain or shine. I will be here with her Hopefully it'll be nice in the mornings you can see the airplanes But she only lives in our from here. So i'm excited to be here with her for the first for first airshow. Is she an airplane person. No no. I took her up one time on a On a small two seater airplane and she was like we did the pattern and she said land and she never got on the airplane ever again no. She just likes the big airplanes. That's all she does was probably have a great time here so again. Thanks nicki for for joining us. This has been max. Flight from the airplane geeks podcasts reporting for sun and fun radio at sun and fun. Twenty one also at the sun and fund aerospace expo. I had a chat with sandy sanderson about project. Four zero four the ravens a covert operation in southeast asia. This flight from the airplane geeks podcast but this week. I'm on special assignment with sudden fun. Radio reporting from sunan fund. Twenty one in. I'm the air. America display booth Tent with sandy sanderson. He's retired from the air force. And we're going to talk a little bit about air america and some of the interesting things that he's been involved in sandy. Welcome to sun fun radio. First of all but For those who may not know completely what the air america operation was all about. Can you give just a quick synopsis. Will air america. They were the professionals over there. They did anything anywhere anytime more or less their motto and very professional about it the outfit i was in We got Involved in the war we were actually military. We weren't allowed to be in laos so when we crossed the border from thailand. We left our uniforms in the connex. Never to be seen again and put on civilian clothes Turned into our Us air force identification badge and left the country of time with a driver's license and an embassy guard for laos across the border and then started doing our thing. We were not really air america. There's a bunch of confusion at the time as to what america did and we got glommed right in the middle of it all the things that we did Air america blamed for so we being the cia. No meaning the ravens your ravens project for four. Which was the overall umbrella. A little bit of background in vietnam. You had five hundred thousand troops and army air force navy marines and Some allied forces. And you had all the trappings of evolved in a major war with the news media in bed with them and walter cronkite reporting on You know bomb damage assessments for the day and how many bombs were dropped and there was always that stiff competition between air force and the navy and meanwhile the grunts down in the field actually work and they were probably only about twenty thousand and actually we're conducting the war the rest of that four hundred and eighty thousand with support and you could consider the air force. Entire air force was support because we supported them with fighter-bombers and forward air controllers and so forth. The rules were rather extensive in south vietnam for the forward air controllers. But those of us who ended up going over into laos The rules are very simple. Darn any rules. We didn't have to you. We did things that kind of horned to regular military in that military normally has a chain of command and some place in every member and the armed services in that chain someplace. Well in this case we were spit out the side. The air force continued to pay my salary. They also continued to administer my records but for all intensive purposes. That was it. I was gone from the air force over in the in the country. Laos and we were under the control of the state department and to the military State department and The military departments defense. Just just never saw eye-to-eye very often and so for me to go over there was kind of like Kiss of death for that. But like i say we worked with air america. Very closely and Because of misconceptions in vietnam as they're conducting their war about what was going across the fence and that other secret war that was going on that was just as intense more brutal than in vietnam but there we relied upon the indigenous people to conduct the war with the exception of a couple of us. ravens ford air controllers. All we did was go out. Spot targets bring the fighters conducting airstrike and clicked bomb damage assessment reported uphill and Continue on our daily business. What kinds of people became the ravens. The ravens had to be from vietnam and had to be finished part of their one year tour in southeast asia and then were selected to go over there now. There's two ways of selecting it was classified at the time highly classified and we had to volunteer to go there and there was the catch twenty. Two you weren't allowed to know about it but you had to volunteer to go there and then when you volunteered either did an investigation of you or they wholeheartedly agree inning. Got rid of us. Got us out of vietnam because we are the guys who were at the ragged edge of the rules and engagements. We would go ahead. And i wouldn't say disobeyed them as much as interpret them in a different way than was written in plain language. We found ways around a lot of things and when we got identified as that type of person. That's exactly what they wanted over in laos and so we were volunteered or we actually volunteered ourselves to go over there. The type of people that we gravitated tour were like. I say the young kids who get this satisfied with what was going on. How the war is. Conducted is very political In vietnam giving example targeting targeting lists started with the president went through his staff and they added targets based on thirty six. Our old intelligence. And you're talking about crossing the international timeline From washington dc to asia. And so it would go through the staff go through the department of defense go through joint chiefs of staff through the departments army air force. Navy marines get on down into hickam hawaii where they would go at targets at the seventeen to twelfth air force area. Then we go to. They would add targets then to get down to individual like one hundred and first and eighty second airborne division and they had targets they wanted to go out and hit with you know heavy artillery as that used to call the and Then they would go ahead and take this list divided amongst the ten fighting Outfits bought fighter-bombers units in southeast asia and thailand vietnam and They were good and divide up the piece of the pie. And that's where the term frag came from your fragment the air order of battle of the day. Now you go ahead and target certain specific target with fighter-bombers and they're fly long at four hundred eighty knots at Twenty two twenty seven thirty thousand feet and they're giving us that accordance and to them flying that speech that only have enough juice or fuel left to go ahead and get to the destination loiter for five minutes to go home because her out of gas They'll just look around the sky and point to answer that looks about right and it could be ten miles off so devoid that issue. They had forward air controllers. Who are taught how to read maps and how to adjust artillery and how to direct strikes and move them closer and closer to the optimum target area and had techniques. Good and do that. And we showed up at every one of those targets where the fighter bombers are going to go and drop except in north vietnam and then we went ahead and found the target for them. If the target had moved like a truck truck identified thirty. Six hours before just is not going to be at this. Coordinate that was identified before by the national resource assets. cer- reconnaissance. Oh fourth so we go hang around for another part of the rule said you had to orbit that target of. He had moved the target. Well now you got the in vietnamese into the ground looking up and seeing afford air controller orbit his position he saying oh you know it looks like i'm going to be the guy. And so the other rules of engagements where for instance Also started just like targeting list from the president and worked his way on down into individual units through this staff and big headquarters in hickam hawaii and saigon and so forth and give example threat of rules of engagement. Said we found kind of ludicrous trucks. We couldn't hit trucks and haiphong harbor because we may have collateral damage with a french freighter right next door unloading something normally wore goods but you know is friendly country and if you accidentally dropped a bomb on that freighter international incident so devoid collateral damage. You can't hit them in haiphong harbor. Best place to get it right. There is being offloaded and then the state department says you can't hit a truck into major trail road route structure north vietnam. 'cause you may injure swimming truck drivers. We heard that before. And then you go to another department says commerce says. You can't hit a truck within five miles of the border north vietnam laos because you may interfere with commerce irrespective of the fact that there is no village or town or city of any sizable amount to conduct commerce along this structure wherever it ends up You couldn't do it. And then the air force said Well you can't hit truck northbound because northbound sumptious empty southbound. That's what you wanna get. You don't wanna waste your assets on an empty truck. And so i went on like this and then saigon says a few are based in south vietnam. You can't hit a truck laotians border across the border. If you're based in thailand you cannot hit a truck on the vietnamese side of the border you got to go ahead and keep her off hand so okay. This guy is On the truck driving around just happy as can be looks up. See somebody or a. He turns around and starts north. Can't hit him anymore. He goes into see know that. Yeah oh he knows all the rules the rules as well. He's got copies of them. You know so And they change daily virtually and In vietnam. I only say there around five months but i had to take a test. Ford air controller hundred tests every month for each military region affluent and studying that darn test. Because if i fail. The test got below eighty five percent. I was grounded only instructor until i took the test to corrected above eighty five and the test change every month and the added and subtracted rules and It was a floating document and you had to know everything in there because we afford air controllers keeper of the keys now like say the manuals were all to three inches thick for each military region in laos. You had a half sheet of paper doublespace typewritten. On one side. Only how to get around the rules of engagements the biggest way back. Cedars went with us. Most of our flights were laotians. Infantry officers is their country and between the two of us we decided where the drop a bomb normally. When i took off i if the target moved i had to go ahead and do it was called a validation requests invalidation quest go contact a airborne command control ship in this guy. C. one thirty Sitting there orbiting with seventeen eighteen guys. In the back monitor radios. And you say got validation request validation essentially as revalidate that target you were assigned because it had moved and give the coordinates encrypted and the type of weapons you want because the target may have gotten different priority and fusing you wanted and how much playtime you had available to orbit the area and it would send up headquarters or go to an intelligence facility. They would analyze a comeback. Give their approval or disapproval. Send it back up airborne command control ship than he would coordinate with the tanker where the fighters were sitting waiting for their target assignment or hadn't target assignment waiting for the time period to get there and Then go to our rendezvous point and that whole process took forty five minutes. I'm orbiting in circles for forty five minutes. Well this guy finally figures it out and moves or kind of an aircraft flying In vietnam we had lovie tens Broncos and we had cessna sky masters that was seventy two timeframe earlier the nat there were also bird dogs in laos we had owen bird dogs and the Ambassadors use seventeen which was a A high high much higher speed and long range tale drager and we had in some areas. We had t twenty eight so we could use with rockets. Only we weren't allowed to drop bombs from that was forbidden and so we would be flying along for instance. Our interaction with air. America will be something like this This guy would. They always monitored are frequency air. America did we got in trouble and did she said something unusual or told the flight flatly control. I got to go home because the ambassador was. We are supposed to always be any drop. Mom dropped in laos. We had to be present. And if i'm going home right away it meant something's wrong with my airplane and i'd have a career career and helicopter rider my wing within a minute to assist me in case i ended up crashing the airplane and Which was quite often and over the course of seven years that we were doing this job in laos we had about one hundred sixty of us flew the call sign ravens in that course not period of time any one time and five different villages we lived in between Seven and maybe twenty ford air controllers raven facts and we just completed the rest of our tour so getting back to original part of the story about the air america's on our frequency. You say hey raven. This is alpha golf for saying okay off golf. What can i do free. I gotta drop some supplies off lima site thirty three and that was how they coded airports different numbers. I'm just giving you a fictitious Airport and okay. Well what you need and he says well there's a firefight going on right now. Can you come over okay. We right there. I go inside thirty three. As soon as the ravens shows up of the hostilities would cease. they didn't want to go and get targeted. So they backed off and hit. If i had a set of fighters coming in. Okay i just throw a rocket down in the vicinity of wherever we knew they were located and soon as the smoke rocket goes off if they weren't immediate target. The north vietnamese and the viet men would go ahead and via com. Would go ahead and and climb the trees to watch the airstrike because this is too for air airbags because they see this fighter rolling in going upside down taking a dive bomb angle coming off and white wings pulls off back up in the sky again. Bombs come off and his fireworks. Everybody likes fireworks and so. The guys watching aerobatics end combination fireworks. It's a twofer and tell number. Two you got me site roj. Mark mark mark dropped a bomb right here. I fly over the top often distance. And see who's up in trees and i call the monkey bus emissions. Take the monkeys out of the trees And meanwhile the alpha golf he'll copper would go on into the site drop. It's ammunition or malaria. Boots or food supplies or whatever they were supplying and get out of there all without any Bullets whizzing around over his head. So that was the interaction. We had with air america for the most part when we got shot down. They were really ready on spot or logistically. We could support them. See any we could talk forever. But there's a whole crew people here who i'm holding up. Who are waiting to listen to you to tell some of these stories and some others as well. I want to thank all of you. Folks who came to see andy for being patient. I i appreciate it. You wanna be on the radio. You can be on the radio station. This is this is have a shoutout for everybody. L. sudden fun. Let's have it one two three You're on the radio all right. This has been max flight from the airplane. Gigs podcasts reporting for sun and fun radio pets son in fund. Twenty-one launchpad spoke with. Hank coats the ceo and president of the commemorative air force and also. Nancy mcgee vice president of education about their new headquarters and the henry b tippy national aviation education center. Hey airplane geeks at your reporter at large launch pad. Murray and we've flown up okay. In all honesty we drove. It's imc it's raining like heck so it's been three hours but still it was worth the drive. 'cause i'm at a really great location which we're going to talk about and i'm here with some really special people i'm here with hank oats Ceo and president of the af as sitting next to him. Is nancy museum the vice president of education full disclosure listeners. Your reporter at large here is a. C. a. f. member in i'm a member of the b twenty nine squadron which flies fee as you all know and but i am here purely for your enjoyment right now to get. You caught up on what we're doing and we're in a really cool campus. We're in the if you will headquarters for the caf af Hank tell us about this campus in. what's all here sure. The national headquarters moved from midland. Here a few years ago and at the national headquarters. You have the headquarters. Entity were which houses all of the people and building on offices for for the things that go on at the national level and then we have the restoration hangar which is large hangar. That has room and Tooling in there to work on aircraft and then we have the henry. B tippy national education center. Which is an incredible new facility. Now let nancy tell tell you more about that. Yeah the tit. The henry b tippin facility. Nancy tell us about this cool place. Well this is a forty thousand square foot facility complete with a working hanger that will fit both the our be twenty. Nine are a twenty four and other aircraft. We have a a museum side to this. That's about sixty one hundred square feet will. We'll tell a number of different stories about world war two history and those who served and then we have an education side of the building where it's really about hands on twenty first century learning and listeners. I realize this is radio so let me tell you. We're here in the lobby. Which is also going to be part of their galleries. There's a full-size p fifty. One mockup hanging above our heads with the nose art for katie. That's pretty impressive. Let me go back rick. Who's of silly named for a facilities named for henry b tippy. He was a war veteran from iowa. He was a farm boy that His mom i think the words were she said henry. If you wanna life you've gotta move out. I will get off the farm. And he joined the army air corps and more to and As enlisted man was deployed to the pacific At the culmination war he came back home using the montgomery gi bill or the gi bill. He got his college degree in in. I think it was accounting in business And entered in the business world and did very very very well and He contributed a significant amount and has been a long-term cf member member of the beat. Twenty nine between four squadron. He loves education. He loves the cas and he provided a big part of the funding for this building. The society well and this is a pretty huge facility. Where else did your fa- fundings come from. Was there any federal money. That's a great question. No there were no. There was no federal funding The funding this building. We raised right around fourteen million dollars which will pay for the entire building and the first years of operating costs. Most of the money came from foundational support inside of texas and outside nationwide. Some of the money came from a business development matching deal from the city of dallas. Mr tippy obviously Provided some of that And then about I think it was four. Hundred thousand dollars was raised directly from cis member contributions. Ten dollars at a time. Twenty dollars at a time. A thousand dollars at a time. But what i can't tell you is that none of the funds came from the foundation from member member of Membership fees from annual. Hack or any of that and there's law there will be no long-term debt once things completely finished. It's it's ninety five percent done. We have some punchless that are going through with the contractor we do have quick of occupancy and we are starting to do some small events but yeah there's no long-term debt which is critically important to the membership of the af. That's cool. I mean that's really neat. Let's real quick. Give us an overview what is af in. How's it organized. So she af in has been around for very long time and it's it's very sustainable. In general it is. The national headquarters exists and a lot of the things that need to be done outside of the units Negotiations for insurance a lot of the marketing regulatory issues safety and training programs Fundraising from a large in. The larger perspective is done at the national headquarters. The units are arranged loosely. like franchises and so you have the very large units Airbase georgia and airbase arizona. All the way down to some of your more smaller units and sponsor groups which may have ten or twelve members in them and so The aircraft are all Owned by the flying museum they're signed to the units by the flying museum. Now the flying museum is a sub part of the caf correct right. They're they're basically four boards of directors within the af the caf general staff. Which is the overarching board of directors. You have the foundation board which is they they managed foundation funds for the af. They managed loans and things that we made to do with with units and things And that's where our our nest egg is kept then. There is the museum board. The museum board is the entity which governs the nhc and everything associated with that and the museum assets. They also answer to the The general staff as does the foundation board and then the last board is a flying museum board and they all the aircraft assets fall under the flying museum and the flying museum board They assign the aircraft to unit. They make sure that the unit sir Treating the aircraft appropriately. They can provide some funding for restoration. and for other things to the units so that unit also answers to the roughly. How many aircraft we talking about this over one hundred and seventy aircraft in the caf It's it's a number that slowly but steadily climbing and We're looking at acquiring a couple of aircraft in the next few months. Well that makes the caf roughly bigger than some banana republic air forces that this kind of funny So we are the world's largest flying museum barn. And last time i looked we ranked like number twenty third in the in the in the world and air force size. So yeah you're right okay. Let's you know listeners. Let me lay it out for you. We've got a headquarters building which is a really nice facility of itself next to. It is what we would call the transient hangar. Which has just been redone. And it's really nice it's insulated. It's got a new floor on it and then a cross. The way is the maintenance hangar. Which is the old police hanger here. And that's were real metal banging go on but between these two is is huge big facility. Nancy tell me more about this great facility. Well this great has a museum component to it so it will be open to the public. Our grand opening november eleventh. So that will be an opportunity for people to come in and see our artifact. The caf has the world's largest collection single largest collection of world. War two nose art. So some of those pieces will be on display in the gallery as well as other artifacts we have the brigadier general charles mcgee and don heinz theater where we will show the rise above wasp. Which is the women. Airforce service pilot film and another one about the red tail tuskegee airmen. And we're going to tell five stories in our museum where to talk about the aztec eagles mexican american squadron. We're going to talk about rosie. The riveter who helped build all these aircraft women service pilots and the north texas involvement in world. War two efforts. This isn't just a static museum because the cf will host here. The p fifty one from the tuskegee airman and a t six from the wasp's absolutely we get a chance to see real. Living history is hang said. We're a flying museum. We are the largest flying museum so besides just the displays that we have we never know what aircraft is going to be in the hangar and that too will be part of the museum experience that people will get to see well companies squadrons actually going to be co located or call this building home. So they're six or seven units that call this place home. You got the between on twenty. Four squadron iceberg sponsor group. The red tail group The six spa wasp the l. to just quite a quite a few people that call this place home. It's not just for one entity and it's not just one mission. It's it's a. It's a great place and it does all sorts of fun stuff and you know. It's something that nancy just talked about needed to. You know when you go to museum and you see these airplanes inside and it's it's kind of Antiseptic those just kinda airplanes anymore. An airplane airplane when it smells like an airplane. It feels like an airplane. And it's out there flying that's dripping oil. Yeah it's it's just display. If it's not flying might as well be that plastic piece that you want hanging from the roof know. Our airplanes have character. They have lives of their own. They're kind of like you know they have. The they had their unique Behaviors even show our airplanes fly. And we've fly them safely and we work very very hard to make sure we do it right all right. We've just walked into this room and there's like there's like eight. Science tables lay down and part of a wing were. Were we doing here. Well this is called the build guild and this is an area where we can do woodworking and metalworking. And you've got to start someplace you know. We've had students in this room that think that a screwdriver is either a plus or minus not a flat head or a phillips so we have to start them someplace and have programs that vertically align all the way up to industry certifications so that they can go straight into the workforce and be productive members of society. Like i said we've got workbenches here. Were banging on metal and bendon things and gluing things together. They who do the work do the learning so. It's all about putting her hands on things and learning how to do it. We're building pedal planes. We have high school. Juniors who've never operated power tools that are building pedal planes for us for a fourth grade program. We also have the j three cub that is from nineteen forty six and we have high school students who have dismantled that and they're restoring it to flight. Status were will then use it for students to build flight hours. So it's all about getting kids involved in these are kids. That haven't had any background in this and guys. This was a large lab. it holds just by seating. i can see sixty four places at the benches exactly but it's not just for kids. You know kids. We're kids of all ages with more or less body hair depending on the phase in life. So you know we can have week long where we bring in some aviation expert. Somebody who it's anything from engine repair fabric doping so c. a. f. members will get to come in here and get to learn some new skills but it's also about building programs that we take out to our many c af units because so many of those units are doing their own education operations. So we're the the incubator programs that they have all right and let's go across the hall of stop. The hallway is super cool guys. The hallway is a runway zero four twenty two with a displaced threshold type. C markings of this is just. This is just a too cool but we go across and now we're in whom looks radio lab. Well it does look a little bit. Laker radio lab and everything in here is designed to be flexible space but our bread and butter every day program five days a week in this room that we call home front is a simulation about being in world war. Two in the home front. So you know you think about today's time unless you're a military family. Your real relatively unaffected by what's happening in any conflicts around the world but during world war two. Everybody was involved even in the home front at eight year. Old boy. five year old girl. They were all involved in it. So this homefront simulation assigns everybody a role and a take place in the interact in it but it meets the needs of schools where it's a standard striven instruction its content integrated and it's really interactive so kids. Love it but they're learning. They're learning history. They're learning financial literacy. They're learning math science. And of course it's deeply embedded with history and this is just. You decided to do this. This is in coordination with like. I don't know the texas board of education the dallas school system. Well we have a number of others like myself that understand standards based instruction in the needs of schools but we are also a texas education agency certified professional development provider so we'll do teacher professional development here as well as programs for kids. Got it all right. Let's step out of here. And we now were in this as a guy owns an airplane. Absolutely stunningly beautiful hanger. The floor is a sealed white. it's huge. It's big enough to hold a between nine a. B. twenty four and a b seventeen. All at the same time give you an idea of size. People will be able to it when the airplanes are here and not out on tour. They'll be able to walk around and look at them. Correct absolutely you can look at them. You can smell them some of them. You'll be will to touch. We hope to have a few that you can get inside so yet. It's a really interactive thing you get to see it as always says you get to drop the ropes on the aircraft. So we're not museum displays. This facility is of course brand spanking new. You just said you're opening will be november and we're and now we're in. What room is this. We're currently in the room called the think tank which is designed to be twenty-first-century conference room so it's really not a conference room with death by powerpoint this is all about innovation. You get to write on the glass. We've got an interactive like a giant ipad on the wall. So we get people in here to really think through problems. You know a lot of people ask me. How long will these world war two aircraft fly and my answer is as long as we can educate people to be critical thinkers problem solvers and innovators. But you're not just shooting for middle school and high school students right Corporations can use this for events corporations can use this for events. We have a number of programs or corporations can do team building like that homefront simulation. We have an adult version of that. That's a lot of fun. So yeah this is. This is all rentable facility but a lot of program based as well we have a fourth or four year old program where they can come in and get inspired by aviation Will be doing things like a bicycle. Fix the thon for the neighborhood. Our displays will change. Not like a museum does but by the fact that we have re-enactors here or a different aircraft has flown in its. There's going to be something new every day for people to see at the c. a. f. national airbase nancy. Well we're on. The big map are we. We are in dallas texas at the dallas executive airport. Which is about a twenty minute. Drive south of downtown dallas. Okay which means we could from love field. Which would mean. We'd only be fifteen minutes if we were having to read those human aluminum mailing tubes or as opposed to if we flew ourselves. We could just fly directly in here. Nancy if they want to know more about the education program where would they go. Go to the c. Af website which is commemorative air force dot org or fly n. a. e. c. dot. Org and that would be the same address for the regular caf if they want to join if they wanna join their local unit or find out where their local units at where would they go That would be commemorative air force dot. Org there's a specific page there where you can see the location of every unit in united states and there's actually something we're working on right now new unit initiative where we're working really hard with four or five different new entities to put some new new. Cf units out there. So you're going to start learning more about that if you go to that website and how you could bring a cf unit to the location where you are. Well now. there's information you can use and this is just a cool facility listeners. will try and put some photos in the show notes but for now this. Is your report large watch. Panama sorry frequency change approved. Good day another interview from sun and fun. This time with major danny gil united states air force eighty second aerial targets squadron on the modified dash eight used to support live fire weapons deployment flight from the airplane geeks. Podcast this week. I'm on special assignment with sudden fund radio reporting from sunan. Front twenty one. I'm here with major. Danny gil eighty second. At are s and you came in what looked like from a distance. A dash eight aircraft. But this is a little bit modified from that. What's the mission of this aircraft. I so this aircraft is a so from from afar. It looks like a regular dash eight but as you get closer you could see the purpose modified for is to support live fire weapons employment evaluation and training over the gulf range up in the northern gulf of mexico near the panhandle of florida's. And how is it been modified from it. Standard configuration So it has a c surveillance radar hanging from the bottom of it and then on the right side of saliva telemetry antenna It's a passive antenna just gathers telemetry information off the off the missiles that are being shot over the range and then the sea surveillance radars meant to find boats that are out in the water for safety purposes. So you can chase them away from the active area. I know sir we don't chase any boats we figure out where they are and then from that you know there are allowed to be there but from based on where they are we move around them so okay we determine what that picture is in safety office with all the shoe parameters and all the information they have on what you know ultimately. We're trying to accomplish with our training and evaluation that day where we're going to shoot bay somewhere. Those boats are all right. So maybe describe a typical mission kind of from start to finish sort of an overview so typical mission where there again for to support the life. Fire shoot so we'll take off prior to about it prior about an hour prior to the win. The shoots are supposed to happen from that. We also are launching targets so unmanned aerial targets out over the range That it's a target. So the the fighters are out there with their missiles employing their missiles and whatever tactics they're looking to do evaluate train on test What have you So we go out there about an hour. Prior sweeped range term. Those boats are from that they determine what picture they have on where they want to shoot from So after that we'll we'll we'll set behold almost stay on station to make sure that there's no other boats moving around We'll keep track of boats of that may possibly interfere with the shoot. And then we'll also set up to gather the telemetry data off missiles being shot so this drone here this. Bq am one six seven. This is an example of a target drone. Yes this is. A this is the the drone the target that we used most often It's a beat you in one. Sixty seven It launches off a rail with the big the rock rocket engine and then it picks up its own propulsion under a onboard jet engine. Who who manufactures this on a sure. I've taught my head but it's it's known as a bq in one sixty seven And and so it's expendable. It is an expendable target. That is correct in other other kinds of targets that Could come to play here. Sure it out of our squadron. We also fly was known as q. S. sixteen We have some of those here parked here. We brought two of them with us But ninety nine percent of the time if not more those are being flown manned but they're also modified to fly unmanned as well So they can fly. Take off on under radio control in operated from the same control room that we fly drones then some people when they hear about this the fact. F16's can be used to target drugs Sometimes people think well that that must be crazy. Why would we want to shoot down our own. F16's but these are older models that are not otherwise active. that's correct they come to us with It's still a small amount of flight time. And we fly those out There's still a mission that we do mand to support target operations But ultimately they do end up getting shot so yeah and as the orange tail the typical indicator that that's what this is that's correct. Yes so yeah the the paint scheme that you see as been used for for drones here so this subscale drone has also orange Just what we use so Depending on what they're shooting shooting they wanna get visual acquisition of that target. So it's just nicer to see a big orange target in the air. As opposed to something more subdued and difficult to see well how about your background. How long have you been serving in the military. So i've been in the air force for about fifteen years I don't look old enough to be in a year. You're in pretty good shape and take care of my skin and myself and it works. Yeah yes sir. appreciate that. so i've been in the air force for about fifteen years Started my career off as a navigator on c. One thirties move to special operations Eventually became a pilot. And here. I am now flying united so it's a very unique outfit real small operation but very vital to the to the to the mission of fighter aircraft. And they're training their evaluations of weapons and employment and all that stuff but for someone. Who's maybe younger in his thinking about a career in the military or in the air force. I what can you say about the degree to which you can plan your course or or chart your course through Through the training and through the assignments and so forth how does that work So ultimately everything from so i entered via. I i was a military brat so my mom was in the air force and ever since you know at things like this air shows like this is where i decided i wanna be a pilot So i ultimately I went to college. I did the rotc program. That's why i got my commission from Right here down the road university of central florida. I studied engineering and pretty much. Everything from there's america chrissy. It depends on how well you do. They rack and stack you. And and it's it's very doable. Also also pretty blessed physically. I got good vision and no have any medical issues that prevent me from flying. I know lots of people that are completely capable of it but they just they just run into those you know. Can't they don't have the good vision or they have a medical issue that precludes them from flying so fortunately i am blessed to have that ability to go fly but then from there just like you hear all the time like you hear all everyone tells you get good grades. Study hard and do well as what it boils down to the end of the day. And just it's a true meritocracy Along with needs it air force. But it's definitely doable. In in in the to answer your question the the path that way to get there is very clear. Although my pathway to become a pilot was a lot different. I still made it there. The opportunities are there. So if you have the drive the ambition and the talents and the attitude and the hardware the work ethic and all of that all those all those things you can control all those things all those things you can control just depends on how much work you put in and how bad you want to try to do it. So that's great advice very very good advice. I have to ask if it's not too personal. What did your mother do in the air force. I don't know if would want me telling you that. But i didn't find my way into too much trouble. I'll just tell you that. So okay all right all right well appreciate it. Thanks sir thanks for coming to the show. Thanks for your service. We really appreciate it. It's just really amazing. I've always been in awe of People in the military that have such a clear sense of purpose and a drive. It's just it just amazes me. It's always amazed me major. Danny thank you so much. The says been max flight from the airplane geeks podcast reporting for some fun radio at sudden fund. Twenty one. I also ran across something unexpected at sun and fun. The flying musicians association tennis in trent mcmillan were there representing the association. This is max flight from the airplane. Geeks podcast this week on special assignment for some fun radio reporting from sunan fund twenty one and i have just found a. I don't know what you call this. Ted this tarp it's a it's a pavilion. It's the flying musicians association and yeah sponsored by the elysee organization. Yeah sponsored by the organization. And i'm here with dennis cloths and trent mcmillan. And they're here with their guitars and playing and i wasn't aware of organization the flying musicians associations nonprofit right. It is a nonprofit organization and the the primary goal is to Encourage musicians and pilots to Della ship and and Networking and things like that it. started off as a Idea from a gentleman by nima. John zap in john recognized john and another guy and i had him john in recognized early on that there was a similarity between these. The skill set needed to be a pilot. Good pilot and To be a good musician in and it's it's perseverance it's the willingness to practice is the willingness to constantly train in the skills that you're trying to acquire and learn new skills and learn new things and you've been playing for a long time you've been a pilot for longtime also no. I'm a fairly new pilot. I got my certificate when i was A sixty two years old sixty three actually sold at sixty two and got my certificate. Sixty three but I started playing guitar when i was thirteen. So that was back in nineteen sixty three amazing. I have a memory of the sixties it. It's not very strong. I'll tell you. I was in The typical garage band and we we were doing Pretty well We moving up the food chain and It was during the vietnam war. And i was drafted went in the navy for six years and when i came out i really wasn't active as a musician. didn't actually start singing and playing until i was fifty. Yeah i played. But i continue to play but i never really. The only people i sang for was my family and did they appreciate that or not. Yeah yeah actually actually Yeah they they enjoyed the music but Friend started an open mic night. And i started going to it and He had to teach me everything. I had to learn how to keep my my Mouth near the microphone to finish a song that you start. Go play all the way through and and i was just telling him that It's it's interesting you can again. You can practice You can learn a song and you can practice it But you until you actually perform in front of people. You don't really know the song. And trent how about you. What's your aviation background to this point. Okay so Right now i go. I'm a senior at the central florida. Aerospace academy ac- academies right here the lakeland airport and I am currently taking Flight lessons of the bardo airport executive airport and to have around thirty hours of Flight training and just about three weeks ago. I i i did my solo flight. Congratulations very good. Very good and How did you come to find the flying musicians association. Yeah so i was just walking around sunday fund and My friend and i were just. We're just walking around. And i saw all these guys. They had their qataris out and of course i'm attracted to the music side of everything and I think it's great that they're having an outlet for All musical talented pilots. Yes now and you have. A shirt. Assured on unmanned squadron called me about that. Yes that's a the drone club here at school that i'm a part of We we fix jones. Bill drones and Fly fly him. But of course it's it's a really tough to cut through the red tape here because we're flying at an airport So it's it's really a really a special thing to have here I believe that we're one of the only clubs here especially out of school. That can allowed fly out in airport. Which is a very special so last night For the evening air show the nighttime air show. We were supposed to have a drone demonstration. But i guess that didn't happen. I'm not sure. I'm not sure what the issue was an. You've heard anything about that. I haven't heard anything about that. And i wasn't able to calm i was shot was but What what could have probably happened was Poor weather conditions could be possible to to wendy for the for the drugs to be sent out so After school what do you think is next in line for you. Yeah so after school. I'm gonna hope hopefully attend the emery emery riddle college back and hopefully pursue a career in either aerospace engineering or mechanical engineering excellent. So how'd you find the school here. I know we're getting a little off. Topic. we'll come back to the flying musicians but in in terms of the school here. Are you enjoying a destruction grade. The students and all yeah. The school is great. They have a lot of opportunity here in the aviation industry and A lot of engineering courses and yeah. Yeah terrific and and so Back to Dennis does the association offer some benefits to pilots. Well the biggest benefit obviously is the companionship to getting to know people. I've had a lot of had opportunities. As a result of being in the in the musicians we perform this is all volunteer performances What we use the money that is collected in donated For is we have a solo program. They call me fly musician. Solar program where we reach out to high school is music teachers to nominate kids. In their classes that are musically oriented and at the same time are interested in flying and Each year we select one or two three depending on the money Students and provide them with the funds to pursue Getting a certificate flight certificate. And there've been a number that have already gone all the way through. That's terrific. I the other thing i was going to add the what. I've my opportunity has been That we do get to perform for some of the shows and It was two years ago. I was up at ice guys and Got to perform at the It arrow shell Dinner and got to meet some of the pilots and hang out with them and know that that's a that's an opportunity that You know you can't pass it up you'll be back at oshkosh. I don't think so it's a little. It was a long trip for me. I'm from south carolina but It was a once in a lifetime deal and normally come down here to sun and fun for two years ago and my granddaughter was being born and on on the date that it was The the the air show was was here so I wasn't going to be allowed to to Break from that and come down here. Yeah yeah good choice. I think i think that was the right decision. I've been married long enough. I know what to do right. That's right so What kind of airplane are you flying. these days. i have a turkey. One eighty nine hundred seventy turkey one eighty and have you had that for long I got it About spot four years five years ago. Something like that. I'm also i'm mechanic retired. Mechanical engineer. I'm a i started working on vehicles Everything from motorcycles to cars to trucks During my teen years and so They allow me to To assist with the maintenance and what have you they watch me at the airport. That i'm at the the actually encourage owner assisted. Work if you've got the skill they can spot. The skill was the plane in pretty decent shape when you picked it up. Actually it was the The original owner. Where one of the. I don't know who the original owners were. it's bounced around a little bit but The gen the gentleman the airport a few years ago. His name's buster bo. Share and buster was an air force pilot Buster own that plane at one time so in Also the guy that. I take Instrument lessons from He owned the plane for a period of time. So it's it's sad Very decent It's it's old so there are things that need to be taken care of I've some improvements have actually written Several articles for plane pilot magazine based on on the work. I've done on the plane casting. Well this has been very exciting for people that want to contribute to the flying musicians association make donations. I always sort of an aside. usually make care with contributions at the end of the year. Typically is that's when. I do it and for many years. Now i've looked for aviation related Nonprofit organizations charitable places that i can make donations to and This is definitely want to add to my to my list are the the web's flying musicians association. Just do a website search. They have a website. The website is flying musicians dot org. That will work and then people can make a donation if they wish there. So you wanna send us out with A little little tune but you can do part of the there is no match is always open and that makes me tend to leave mass bag instead. You who shacking me woods end zone. The time keeps you back. Grew by the rivers of keeps you ever gentle tastic. This has been max flight from the airplane. Geeks podcasts reporting for sun and fun radio. It's sun fun. Twenty-one as you know we generally try to avoid political issues on his podcast because well we'll get too much elsewhere so the final piece may be a little controversial. Consider this an opinion piece where our main man mica tells us his personal views about sustainable fuel for aviation sit back. Relax listen and remember. It's always a bad idea to reply. Someone's opinion while you're still hot. Okay ready before. I go much further. Let me just say this little piece is probably going to offend someone. No not a good way to start one of my diatribes but better to tell you what the beginning then leave you with a bad taste in your mouth. That's not to say the bad taste in your mouth won't still be there but at least you'll know it's possible ahead of time. Consider this my personal potential side effects. Notice like in prescription pharmaceutical commercials. Possible side effects of continuing to listen may annoy an anger. Some individuals feelings of fury rage or simple annoyance may not be uncommon and a bad taste may be left in a listeners. Mouth other listeners. Reported feelings of joy and elation appreciating the humor and even perhaps some of the sarcasm contained here in so with that in mind. Consider yourself warned and let me say ahead of time. Sorry if i urge you but if you are don't get so deep into it it you can't hear what i'm trying to say. Lastly bear in mind is going to be long most likely too long. If i'm honest about it there are probably many full podcasts. That discussed this very topic in more detail and with more authority than i can muster but if you pay attention you'll see. My intentions are sincere and offered without malice. So what am i talking about. The whole idea of airlines and sustainable power electric or hydrogen powered aircraft carbon offsets or becoming carbon neutral. What a bunch of happy horse chips i feel like i'm walking around the sperling farm fly in as i try to dodge them recently. We've had a lot of discussion here on the airplane. Podcast about what is often referred to as alternative powered aircraft or perhaps more often called environmentally friendly power sustainable fuels generally it's electric powered. Aircraft sometimes hydrogen. And then there always seems to be news of biofuel remember the headline delta airlines vows become carbon neutral by the end of the decade. The story read chief executive ed bastion. Send a news release that the initiative will focus on harnessing clean flight technologies and carbon emission reduction among other things. Those efforts include upgrading. Deltas aircraft fleet to newer more fuel efficient models and used biofuel delta will also continue to invest in carbon offset programmes rebuilding forestry and other natural habitats that may be damaged by jet engine emissions but hopefully on a more limited basis. The whole concept of carbon. Offsets is based on inductive reasoning. Here's my favorite all time. Example of inductive reasoning. God is love. Love is blind rate. Charles is blind. Therefore ray charles's god well. It doesn't quite work that way. By the way. I found that little ditty on the wall of a bathroom stall in the philosophy department as an undergraduate. It stuck with me. Let's remember newton's first law energy can neither be created nor destroyed but only transferred from one state to another. That's what i like to call the rule of the free lunch burning fuel in an aircraft engine. At thirty thousand feet cannot be offset by planting a tree. It reminds me of the enrollment of eighteen. Sixty three that allowed a drafty to pay a substitute in rowley. The sum of three hundred dollars about five thousand dollars in modern times in order to enlist in his place. Not quite the same thing as universal conscription although both are useful they hardly interchangeable before we delve into sustainable fuels. Let's look at current officiency. According to the us department of energy alternative fuels data center after inner city rail airlines are the most efficient passenger fuel us based on the average per passenger fuel economy by travel mode airlines have a passenger mile per gasoline. Equivalent of fifty. One point seven intercity rail. The highest average is fifty six point six light trucks and cars average to thirty seven point eight. It seems air travel is not such a polluter compared to other forms of transportation. And what are we going to do. Stop people from travelling completely now. Let's take a look at carbon offsets seriously will planting or maintaining a forest in indonesia or brazil really make a difference and truly changed the amount of carbon pumped into the atmosphere. The answer can vary from maybe to probably not if you get a chance. Take a listen to the national public radio show or podcast planet money from may seven with a title emission impossible. The basic answer is carbon. Offsets can work under a very specific set of circumstances circumstances that currently do not exist if a forest is maintained forever and i repeat forever. It is possible that it might offset some current carbon emissions but once one of those trees is cut down left to die or burns in a fire. The offset has gone carbon. Offsets are a game of smoke and mirrors something that gives you the illusion that you're doing some good but look at it long term and poof. It's gone carbon. Offsets offered the illusion of doing good but like many other things is merely wishful thinking. We've talked about hydrogen power before on the show. Yes it's possible to use hydrogen for some forms of power but it's not easy for many reasons. Hydrogen power like nuclear fusion lighter than air transport and flying. Cars are among many technological breakthroughs. That are always less than a decade away. The interesting thing about these claims is that. I've been reading or hearing them for a bit over half a century now since before i was in the fifth grade. Setting aside the hindenburg which wasn't anomaly. In no reason to dismiss hydrogen there are various reasons. Why hydrogen is not really viable. Perhaps the most important is that it's not particularly energy-dense sure we can pressurize hydrogen even liquefy it but then it gets heavy with holding tanks or doers flasks in which it needs to be stored assuming we can overcome weight and energy density issues we still need to produce hydrogen itself. The current most cost effective way of doing this is by stripping. The hydrogen from natural gas methane creating hydrogen from fossil. Fuel has is using the very thing. We're trying to eliminate see the smoke and mirrors. Play again okay. Yes there are other ways to produce. Hydrogen there has been work on a micro based system when certain bacteria are exposed to sunlight. They produce hydrogen as other plants would produce oxygen. Then there's some means to reclaim hydrogen from what is generally referred to as biomass or. What in the not quite vernacular. We might call sewer waste. Large-scale industrial versions of these methods are down the pike and should be available within the next decade. That has a familiar ring to it. And of course the one way to produce hydrogen that. You may be most familiar with electrolysis. No i'm not talking about hair removal in this case. Electrolysis is running dc. Electric current through a material to create a non spontaneous chemical reaction. I remember a gadget. We had my eighth grade science lab we connected to leads from a transformer to the strange vessel filled with water and we got oxygen out of one side and hydrogen out of the other but all of these hydrogen production methods require electricity. Lots and lots and lots of electricity. And where do we get the electricity from. That's a good question. Basically we have five choices. Fossil fuels nuclear power water power wind power and photovoltaic solar power. Now there are a few places in the world where geothermal or solar thermal power is used to generate electricity. Iceland is best known for the former. Although you can find some all over the world. Spain china and the southwest usa our best known for the ladder these types of electric power plants are rare and location dependent. So i won't be speaking of them here except dimension they do exist so let's take a quick look at the five big sources of electricity. Fossil fuels are out. Sure i gas burns cleans cleaner than any other fossil fuel. But it's still fossil fuel and we've been told we can't use that any longer plus these days. Most natural gas is collected by fracking a technique that seems to be especially frowned upon by environmentalists. Then there's nuclear power that's power generated by vision reaction it safe and clean but it gets a bad rap from the few problems we've had with it over the years you know. The names three mile island. Chernobyl and fukushima. Chernobyl was the worst caused by mismanagement and poor design. It was also a perfect storm of public relations. In some ways three mile island was a success showing that there were contingencies in place to handle a potential disaster. We learned a lot at three mile island including a lot about crm crew resource management fukushima was a weather event. A su-nam or tidal waves surged over the defense of the power plant and flooded the reactors. It will take at least forty years about ten billion dollars to finally get it cleaned up. Nuclear power can be safe. Oh want an example of just how safe. Since the launch of the uss nautilus in nineteen fifty four the us navy had safely and without incident built ron and decommission hundreds of nuclear reactors that have been and still are used both on surface ships and submarines additionally nuclear power plant technologies have changed and improved considerably since the most recent one was built in the usa. The watts bar reactors and tennessee were designed almost fifty years ago. Yes the second. Watts bar reactor only came online in twenty sixteen but it was designed in nineteen seventy three based on technology of the nineteen sixties now. I won't go into details about the advances in nuclear technology here. But if you wanna learn about it take a listen to our friend. Marcus voter and his omega tau podcast episode three fifty nine modern fusion reactors. Now i know you went about. A million environmentalists may start screaming. But what about the waste. Nuclear waste disposal is a disaster waiting to happen. That's not exactly true. We have the means to safely dispose or store nuclear waste. The issue is more of a nimby thing. Nimby you ask not in my backyard. Nobody wants to live near a nuclear waste facility. Even if it's safe and clean and not meeting radiation want to know more about nuclear waste disposal just had backed the markets volta and omega. Tau this time episode. Three sixty eight nuclear waste disposal and storage if people would open their minds. Nuclear energy could be viable solution. In fact as i'm writing this and checking is new. England twenty nine percent of the electricity on the grid that i'm using right now is coming from nuclear power. Fifty three percent is coming from natural gas. The other eighteen percent is coming from a combination of hydro. And to quote the site remodels. Let's talk about renewables for a minute. People here renewable and clean and green. That's not always correct here in maine. Renewables include wood fired boilers not really a clean source of energy by any means i you harvest trees out of a forest transport them through processing plant and then transport that process would to the electric generating facility that gives off emissions from burning the would know carbon offset here in fact. Maybe this is the time to talk a little bit about bio fuels first. Let's set a definition. Biofuel sustainable fuel saf short for sustainable aviation fuel. It's all the same thing. What is it well for one thing. It's not truly sustainable. It simply non-petroleum. Synthesized refined fuel the headlines about this airline and that airline running an engine on biofuel drives me crazy biofuel burns no differently than fossil fuel sure. It's refined from different stuff. Usually waste food oils from commercial friars but burns any other fuel and puts out pretty much the same emissions. Biofuel has been used for years mostly in diesel engines. Although diesel fuel jet kerosene are all pretty much the same thing. The engine typically doesn't know care where it came from as long as it's the same refinement combust the same way. It's no big deal. A great environmental savings to burn biofuel other than it doesn't come out of the ground. It was once a news story about a bio fuel diesel truck that everyone loved. He exhaust smell just like cooking. French fries chips for those of you in the uk and as long as we're talking about bio fuel let's discuss growing and harvesting it here in the usa. We have ten percent ethanol in gasoline in most states. This ethanol's refined from corn. It said to make the engine burn cleaner and it may but the added ethanol also lowered gas mileage so more gasoline is burned to drive the same distance creating more exhaust but wait. There's more the corn used in distilling ethyl needs to be grown with fertilizer and often with pesticides where does the fertilizer and pesticides come from natural gas. If we're using all this fossil fuel to create these biofuels where's the carbon offset. It's like tearing down the house to find would to throw in the fireplace to stay warm. We're turning food into fuel thinking. It's going to save the environment talk about free lunch now. Let's move on to the others. Water wind and photovoltaic solar water power perhaps the simplest and most ancient dam up a moving body of water creator reserve. Let it out a little time and we can spin a wheel or in modern times a turbine. It works well and is comparatively easy to do. Well until you get into the details. People tend to complain. That a dammed up river is a travesty. It destroys nature it can enhance displace people and one of my favorite complaints. It's not pretty yes. Dance can put pressure on both a tropez and cata dramas migrating fish populations those are fischetti to spawn in freshwater then live in saltwater or the reverse but dance can be built that allow fish migration displacing people for the common. Good can be a tragedy but does sometimes need to happen. That's why they were eminent domain laws that are applied additionally then there's the issue of transmission lines. There's been a huge fight. Going on for years in the northeast. Usa about power lines. Hydro quebec is trying to send excess hydroelectric power generated in quebec canada to new england. The electric grid. The powers of six new england states in the usa so far the building of the transmission lines required to do this has been turned down in. Vermont and new hampshire is a big fight going on in maine right now. The lions would run through the middle of nowhere truly affecting nothing but the basic argument comes down to aesthetics. That's right the discussion against it is. It doesn't look pretty to me. It destroys of you in maine. I'm sorry to say. Many dams are being removed by those who believe they destroy the natural beauty of nature taking away already existent incredibly green power from the grid. This can be frustrating. In so many ways i think back to an aphorism of one of my favorite authors robert heinlein who in nineteen seventy three in his book time enough for love road. They are hidden contradictions. In the minds of people who love nature while deploring the artificiality with which man has boiled nature. The obvious contradiction lies in their choice of words which imply that man and his artifacts are not part of nature but beavers and their dams but the contradiction goes deeper than this prima facia absurdity in declaring his love for a beaver dam erected by beavers for beaver purposes and his hatred for dance erected by men for the purposes of men. The nature is reveals his hatred for his own race. I e his own self hatred. The effort is goes on and gets even more controversial. But you get the gist. There are two other forms of hydropower that need to be mentioned river turbines entitled power. I don't think. I need to go into much more detail except also say they'd like fusion and the other aforementioned promise technologies project like these had been promised by the end of the decade for almost a century now wind power with some of the same problems as hydro power transmission lines and aesthetics as with all power generating. Electricity is not the only issue. Electricity needs to get where it can be used where the wind tends to blow consistently is generally not near electric grid substations in power lines need to be run so all the transmission line problems. I spoke of before. Come into play again while personally. I find wind turbines graceful and beautiful. Many think everyone the landscape and keep away tourists now. For centuries tourists have been traveling to the netherlands to see the windmills but apparently according to those at oppose wind power. that doesn't count another issue with wind. Power is modern wind turbines generate a lot of noise including very low frequency noise that travels great distances and is often felt rather than heard having lived in urban areas. All my life. I'm not sure if i would notice it. But most wind turbines are located in rural areas with rural populations who have never lived near a train or an airport let alone in the city so the noise can be a new intrusion then there are low levels of infra sound elephant low frequency noise that said to be registered by the nervous system in effect the body. Even though they can't be heard. I've never experienced it but there are many who have and complain about it. Some say wind turbines destroy migrating. Bird populations away damn stopped migratory fish. I'm sure we could find statistics. It could be used both for and against notion. Okay so how about we move. The wind turbines offshore. Put them out at sea so the out of the way no problem with infra sound elephant will. Maybe it would eliminate a sound problems. But the aesthetic issue continues. That was a fight. Ted kennedy put up in the us senate for many years. When the only recently approved then you'd wind project was first proposed but they're are still more issues with offshore wind projects. The fishing industry hates them and fights against them vigorously. There's no proof at all that offshore wind projects with harmed fishing industry. In fact they were far better arguments that it would eight it as the wind. Turbine basis would serve as artificial reefs. However the fishing industry still fights against all offshore wind projects in fact here in maine a ten year. Moratorium has just been put in place for wind projects located in state waters with all of that. We haven't even covered the most critical problem with wind. The one we really can't overcome wind powers inconsistent. Sure we can come up with averages and numbers that will show that for this amount of time. We should get this much wind and generate this much power but we have those same averages about earthquakes. Hurricanes and rainfall yet we still have fukushima hurricane maria and california wildfires the electric grid needs a consistent amount of power too much and it will shut down due to overflows. you see. Electricity is a thing it's energy and cannot be made to disappear. 'electricity needs to be used transferred to another state or form. Electricity doesn't just dissipate remember newton's first law. If there's little electricity on the grid it will shut down from being too much draw. That's one reason. Why gas fired. Power plants are so critical to the electric grid. If there are immediate needs they can be fired up and running in very little time. And if there's too much electricity hitting the grid they can be shut down even more quickly so we need to get onto. Photovoltaic solar power. Which i'll be referring to is solar power. Solar solar power also suffers from some of the problems. I mentioned before. Transmission lines aesthetics and inconsistency it's only available at peak during the day when it's clear but let's put those aside for now. There are a couple of additional issues with solar solar cells use rare earth elements that could include neodymium diprose eum indium selenium tell your eum turbie 'em and gallium no i'm not naming planets or species from star trek. These are rare earth elements found on the periodic table. These elements are only available in small handful of countries. They need to be mined and mining can mean runoff and destruction. The majority of rare earth elements reminding in china. Almost sixty percent next is a usa with sixteen percent or so after that burma often referred to as myanmar then australia and madagascar. The amount drops down to less than two percent after that according to a yale school of the environment study mining of rare earth elements damaged surface vegetation caused soil erosion pollution and acidification and reduced or even eliminated food crop output and typically produces wastewater with a high concentration of radioactive residues. It seems solar power is starting to look a bit less environmentally friendly but wait there's still more about solar power. Solar power panels reflect. He'd back into the atmosphere according to a study published by the conversation on february eleven. Twenty twenty one that was conducted by lund university and the hawkesbury institute for the environment at western sydney university quote while the black surfaces of solar paddles absorbed most of the sunlight that reaches them only a fraction around fifteen percent of that incoming energy gets converted to electricity. The rest is returned to the environment is heat. The panels are usually much darker than the ground they cover so the vast expanse of solar cells will absorb a lot of additional energy and emitted as heat affecting the climate unquote. Isn't this exactly the kind of global warming. We are trying to stop by seeking alternative energy. Doesn't seem to be a free lunch here. Okay one last thing. I've talked about biofuels for aircraft power and i've discussed hydrogen power. That leads us to the need for electricity which led us here but we missed battery power plain old electric powered aircraft. That don't require long extension cords. This topic seems to be in the news about every day. So let's talk a minute about battery technology. Many people don't realize the batteries don't store electricity. In fact one of the problems in generating electricity is that there is really no means to store it. let's go back to newton's first law energy can either be created nor destroyed but only transferred from one state to another not being able to store. Trinity isn't exactly true. Capacitors can sort of story and super capacitors are technology that in certain circumstances. Show promise. But we'll save that for another time when we generate electricity with transforming energy from one form to another then transforming the energy into something other than electrcity when the electricity appears to be stored generally electricity is produced. Mechanically the generators. You think about when you think of power plants. Electricity can also be created through the photovoltaic effect of solar panels or generated chemically in a fuel cell or battery. No batteries don't store electricity. They chemically generated when a battery is recharged. The chemical reaction that generates electricity is being reversed which allows the battery to generate electricity again. This is the charge discharge cycle. Eventually chemicals wear change form. Dissipate internal battery grid corrodes. Batteries have a limited number of charge discharge cycles which is why they eventually wear out. Most rechargeable batteries use lithium. You've probably all heard of the ion batteries. There's probably one within a foot of you right now. But here's the problem with lithium. It's mind much of it in china. Another good portion and what's known as a lithium triangle where chile argentina and bolivia meet and south america. I won't go into details. But as recently mentioned in rare earth elements the whole mining process is an environmental disaster. And let's not get into the political problems that could come about if things up china but okay what if we could mind huge quantities of lithium in the usa. Well we can or we could. There were huge deposits of lithium in nevada except for the fact that the open pit lithium mine proposed their by australian mining company. I in ear corp would destroy most of the global habitat for. Tm's buckwheat putting it on a path to extinction and permits for the mine had been blocked. That's okay there's a plan at the salt and see in california to extract lithium salts from hot liquid pumped up from aquifers more than four thousand feet below the surface. The process would be powered by geothermal power. Plants generating emission free electricity. Accept this project would use billions of gallons of valuable groundwater contaminating it for three hundred years and at the same time leave behind giant mountains of waste more smoke and mirrors my friends so maybe thomas mouth was right but not about food production about energy production. Perhaps the earth's population is too great to create enough energy to feed it while also maintaining a livable environment for the entire population. We shall soon see because if we don't come up with a solution will come to see a mass of population die off from many unpleasant factors and many difficult choices. This may be time for another. Robert highlights aphorisms throughout history. Poverty is a normal condition of man advances which permit this norm to be exceeded here and they are now and then are the work of an extremely small minority frequently despised condemned and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating or as sometimes happens is driven out of society the people then slipped back into abject poverty. Are you depressed yet. Well i am but not about what you may think has me down now by the technology. Not by the circle of problems. I've describe but by how the general public most often cannot see through the smoke and mirrors and by how to many people smart people groups and individuals. I admire are still looking for a free lunch. You may have heard the phrase that was popularized by mark twain and often wrongly attributed to british prime minister benjamin disraeli and or american humorist. Will rogers. there are three kinds of lies. Lies damned lies and statistics. We need to remember this when we look at the claims at the justifications and especially when we look at the numbers we can't allow ourselves be fooled or even wooed by smoke and mirrors and we need to stop looking for a free lunch when we're making decisions about entity we need to think can analyze the process dynamically static analysis may produce good short term results but will never give us the true long term outcome our leaders our politicians and even our energy and environmental advocates never speak dynamically and hardly ever think dynamically. That's what the press is me. I'm not depressed or upset about the holes in the current technology. Don't you be either. We can find a technology. We need time and money. That's not the issue but do we have the time and the money perhaps not are. They going to be huge global changes. Yes but that's the nature of life of species. So how do we save the world. Save the environment stop global warming. I don't perhaps we can't. It could be inevitable and although human beings may have helped it to take place. It could be happening without us. It could be one of those things that we don't quite fully understand. Perhaps we see correlations and assume causation because the cause has not yet been discovered. I'm not what are often referred to as a denier just the opposite. But i don't believe there's a grand solution. There may be a lot of little solutions. Could add up though for example. Why do we allow a multi-million dollar for profit corporation to draw water from ortiz in wells belonging to municipal water companies using state of maine aquifers then trump that water all over the state to bottling plants package in petrochemical bottles and then ship it all over the world is spring water from a mythical town in maine that might be called say poland but the worst part we believe the advertising and think that it's healthier and more pure than the epa certified water coming from a local tap. I have another question. Why do we collect some of our garbage and rename it. Recycling we have picked up by special trucks to transport it to a local plant where it's sorted into shipping containers though shipping containers are then truck ports. Where they're loaded on ships and sent to china or some third world country only to find out it's still really just garbage and it's either going to a landfill or being sent back out of sight out of mind. Yes it's true. Something's can be recycled into other things and we may get some use out of them again but believe it or not. Most plastics are really one time use. Only i mean remember what are plastics. Their petrochemicals fossil fuel by any other name. But here's the kicker polyethylene tariff faileed or pet soda bottles the type of plastic labeled with a number one. It's easily recycled. It's made into clothing. Polyester you're probably wearing some now or walking on it in a carpet you can get one more use at a p t. How'd you like the taste of it. Did you know you're eating plastic. Yes you are in microparticles. Wash your clothes. Microparticles of polyester off in the wash. They head through the sewer systems of the world and are too small to be filtered out the microparticles revenge flushed into the ocean. And move up the food chain until we're eating them ourselves. I suppose my point is if we can stop enough of the little things. The ones marketed to us. Either directly or through corporate lobbyists. We might be able to start a major change when we try to get too grandiose all at once they're going to be used unforeseen consequences as i've been describing so be skeptical. Be rational and don't be influenced by emotion when it comes to matters of science also and very specifically without wishing to offend. Never forget there's a huge difference between beliefs faith or religion and science science can be proven over and over again in double blind studies once again from the same one of his books i quoted before robert heinlein may said it best when he wrote the difference between science and fuzzy subjects is that science requires reasoning while those other subjects merely require scholarship. Don't be taken in by emotional pleas. Greta thunberg and environmental activists news now. Eighteen years old has a very precious art and while. I'm not trying to disparage her bear in mind. She's also been diagnosed with depression as burger syndrome obsessive compulsive disorder and so that mutism but she focuses abilities into something that we may see productive but as she appealing to our emotions or logic if she were not young waiflike which he had gotten any attention if an old ugly person like me came along with the same message. Would we hear the message differently. Is the message rational or are we just feeling guilty from an emotional appeal. Remember in the beginning. I said it was probably going to offend someone by now. I probably have. And i'm sorry if i did. But that's why. I put that little disclaimer in before started so please before you start screaming at me remember. You were warned. So what's the answer. I don't know maybe there isn't a solution. Maybe there is but it hasn't yet been discovered so we need to keep looking for it. Keep the search going and be open to discussion but please always keep newton's first law and mine it applies to more than just energy look for the smoke and mirrors and maybe more importantly never forget. There's no such thing as a free lunch for the airplane. Geeks here in portland maine. This is your main man mica. Well that's it for this bits and pieces episode. We hope you enjoyed it in two weeks. We'll return to our usual format. Meantime find us at the geeks. 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