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The Holy Quran Healing Peaceful Relaxing Recitation of Surah Maryam (Virgin Mary) for Stress Relief & Self Healing Arabic Edition
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EP55 - You Don't Need a Website
"You guys over welcome to the podcast to be late tonight. hope you guys doing really head a break and which. I had a really really really day so really rate late tonight. It's almost midnight and I'm doing this podcast really late. I've been really busy today and not to WanNa talk about something the really cool what happened today. Righty I'm just I speaking really really quietly because kids and everybody's asleep in the next room so I wanna make really quite so hope. You guys don't mind that. I'm just going to be really really nicely quietly talking to you guys to see what something technology line so. If you guys don't my boss to where I come from I have EH technology background crowds did my master's denied tea and worked in many years as an. It consultant to woking in selling. It's arrestees an architect solution architect interest so that was my main role for many many years walked has ten years. Here's pretty much in that space for big companies so in a compromise on background but this is something I really want to speak to you guys off doc in most businesses we speak to or I have the privilege to talk to that town. There I believe is that they needed technology to succeed feet. They believe that they need all the things that have the world. which are big businesses are using today. They need that they must. I have it to succeed and many companies out there. They make sure that that need ease. that want is created as need ride that Fontes converted as Neat Arto the companies out there do their best to make it happen as well so that you you feel it. It's it's not a wanted to need rights DAB. We run our media company. We help people were the technology technology with the marketing we do. We do all that for people right but I'm here to tell you something totally different today. Why see technology is really good for something if you amplify what so let me explain they see if you have twenty clients and you want to take the fifth declines. Technologies can help you make it happen but if you have all to clients or if you don't have any client technology amplify that as well means that if you don't have any clients you won't have any Glenn to after that as well just just that's the way it was so big. Knowledge is really good to amplify and take it to the next level but it's not really good to begin with people out there. Who if you are in a starting stage like few thinking of doing. Give you on example say we'd want in a business right but we have never spent time and effort. He window have a team of people to do the work for us. I've never overspent a time and effort to design our own website. We have funnels Doggett on. We have finals for everything. We're on Webinars AUSE. We don't events. We have all the finals we need but we don't have episode. Why would never spend time designing that we just put it one page. They ah that's been there for a long long time. We never spent any time putting together. Show today was a day where we actually put it something together. I GONNA team together that so he said okay. Let's put something together for us so that we now look like a proper business for our. Let's let's collect everything. Let's put it testimony. O'Neil's lead put the screen shots off the campaigns. We've been running. Let's put stuff out there. Let's explain that the people there was a day when we started doubted actually work on our website. I imagine this we are full fledged agency. Rodway we provide marketing service and we just started working on our website outside so this pretty much give you a clue that you don need a website to be successful. You do not need a huge technology stuff to be successful and the number one thing you looking to do is get some clients and get them the results. That's the number one thing if you go out out and find clients and give them the result and putting one hundred percent effort in getting them the results than looking for that's what you're looking for to begin with right so go go out there sub. Some people get them. The results get the testimony and then you're going to object to put all that's right so they don't do anything before that so it's midnight now almost midnight so I'M GONNA go and I'll speak to you tomorrow have a great night.
Episode 189: What is Manufactured Spending?
"Hey it's natasha. And khalil are the co host of well done for a thank. You thank you. Thank you for tuning into our one hundred eighty nine episode of open rates. If you've been tuning in every week woken pre wednesday. You know that will compete. It's all about being real and honest with each other and you talk about everything and anything important to us you though world and nothing is off the table this week. We are asking the following question. What is manufactured spending before we dive couple things ago over. I please make sure you've got to woken free dot com to download this episode. Listen to it but of course. Why do you need to download it. Because that's how you're able to join the conversation if you download it through the popping app and you can add in your comments so if you happen to be aware of what manufactured spending is if you are a fan of it if you engage in it totally share your narrative totally share your thoughts open to all globally. 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And then of course on social media you always find some facebook instagram twitter. Youtube take talk pinchers lincoln at woken free. And then if you have ninety seconds we'd love for you to be grateful because that's a blessing that need you're alive and then of course review the show and so if you're gonna welcome free dot com going the listen tab you can pick your platform of choice where you'd like to get a review. Maybe five stars on i tunes. I think that that sounds about reasonable. And with that. I'm gonna kick into you. Marry them before we start the conversation. We like to share a little bit about us whilst time we asked would rather go without your cell phone or your computer this week we're asking. Would you rather have a pet unicorn or have a pet dragon. The fan of lord rings. I'm always gonna choose dragon here. Because i personally am not fully convinced at dragons never really existed so if i can have one as a pet i'm all in on that one. How about you actually agree with you. The only reason. I do the pet dragon as for the power of flight. That's my issue and the unicorn with the unicorn kind of pointless. You could have stood. The unicorn doesn't have the or like known to most people so well and harry potter. They had some specific abilities. You kill the unicorn than it was like but that's not like a common thing dragging every dragonfly all blow hot air manager so i definitely like that. We are in agreement there with that. I think we can get right into the episode question of the day. Obviously what is manufactured spending breakdown. I like this website. Doctor of credit breaks it down. They give an excellent summary to me and what they say is manufacturer. Spending is the process of purchasing cash equivalence with the rewards earning credit card where the rewards earned are greater than the fees incurred. It can be used for meeting. Minimum spending requirements are just racking up frequent flyer meyer miles with your favourite airline or hotel partner so i think breaking down a little bit more. What does does that mean like getting a gift card and then doing something with that gift cards. So it's like if you get if you have a credit card and you aren't frequent flyer miles or your rewards on every cash on every purchase which you can do is you could buy gift card and then you could sell that gift card and use the proceeds to pay off the credit card. So it's like the credit card bill. Let's say you buy hundred dollar gift card and then you pay off that hundred dollar gift card and maybe sell in for ninety dollars but you're awards was like ten percent so you can maybe like fifteen dollars back or something so you're in fifteen dollars and technically you spent nothing interest on the credit card. So that's the manufacturers spending idea that's the idea of using gaining more rewards and it's paying off your credit card using not your own money but the credit cards money absolutely so via travelers dot com guys if you're new woken free. All of our links are available on the website at Dot com so yeah via travelers dot com also says that essentially by artificially spending by either purchasing virtual gift cards products tools or services at the lowest cost possible. It is a you can think of this manufacturer. Spending spending arbitrage is how they describe it so they went into saying if you if you could earn say five percent cashback spending money at a store but it only costs you less than one percent to transact your inherently making money on that purchase which is interesting and and all these different ways because you can do it through gift cards be you can also do like you said through the frequent travelers thing travel rewards different things. You not you technically get it for free if you're able to sell whatever you purchase a credit card and do you know how long this has been going at because it's been around not the aren't dialyzers at least early two thousands interesting at least since then. I don't know how long. But it's kind of when. Because i think i don't know if in the nineties many credit cards credit card was this a credit card and then like a little late ninety. They started trying to incentivize a now than sometimes are pretty high people's no they started dodge aiming system basically okay. What are some of the issues with manufactured spending so student debt. Relief is a website that shared some interesting things that i'd like to share here so manufactured. Spending is more like a loophole in the system. Then anything illegal. According to the site you can legally take part in it but not without consequences. Some people who buy hundreds of gift cards and try to liquidate them all at once. We'll eventually be put on watch by the police because it's similar to money laundry interesting and then also the arctic. The website goes onto. Say some people. Think of manufacturer spending a stealing. Because you don't need to spend anything to get something in return and this is why some credit card companies have redefined regular spending they use to allow cash advances but now people can no longer get points from cash advances and then goes on to say there are no currently any laws against manufacturers spending. But again you wanna look in your regular regulatory Regulations and wherever you happen to live. Because we don't we have international listeners. So everyone could do your own research. Speak with the attorneys. Obviously of you want to definitively know how it's handled in your geo but that some credit card issuers may even have stipulations in their contracts. That say can't can't partake in it. So they could end up closing your account if you get caught so indefinitely something that is not on the up and up all the way because their companies and even the police potentially might be kind of monitoring behavior that that speaks to this and so what are some risks that you had in mind that you wanted to share found some from his website lendu would they said manufactured spending impact credit in a couple of different ways. I people fail to pay. Their credit card bounces off once. The purchase was liquidated and with high credit card balances and cardholders should keep their credit utilization at thirty percent or below fail your to do so could cause credit scores to actually depth on top of that a high credit card balance increases the chances of missing payment which would negatively impact credit score. Another big issue is that some companies shutdown accounts due to manufacturers. Spending like you were saying yet. The company might suspect money laundering again. He said the borders simply wants to stop the manufacturers bending in its tracks additionally length of credit history as an influence on credit score so cardholder need to be mindful of their spending habits. They moved too quickly with manufactured spending. They're more likely to be shut down. That will leave a negative impact on their credit reports. Especially if they're old as accounts get shot down. So i i think this website. They looked at the issues of how it affects your credit score secular like. That's something to keep in mind since people like to have a high credit score for a number of reasons. I mean if you're trying to buy a house or car any type of financial you know it's important to have financial well being in this society wherever you live really and so. That's so it seems like this is definitely an activity that is not like as productive as it probably seems like it could be This is a new way for me to get away. But it's like you're not getting away scot-free here here. There's actually a cost here and it might be a long term cost but it's definitely a cost to be aware of the risk involved. It's not you're not just earning free money in an easy manner. There's a lot of things involved in hoops. You gotta jump through on this and Issues that you got to think about. What should people be aware of. When it comes to manufacturers spending says student debt relief also talked about the fact that like bank accounts can close accounts when there too many money orders positive because i think manufacturer spending also there's many warm so that's another with a money orders also like not all. It's not gonna work at all stores so for instance. The website says it's some walmarts and some post offices. Don't accept debit cards as payment for money orders despite there being no fish policy posted anywhere so again. It's not going to play out everywhere you have to be mindful of if you are engaging in this where it's going to work so that you don't get caught out there and then also another thing that some democrats won't allow you to buy money orders so if you if you essentially you're trying to use it it's you might not be able to affect charade the scheme but the the activity that you're trying to evacuate so ultimately guys like i personally have never done something like this. I don't believe you have either So my personal thoughts on this is a. It doesn't necessarily seem in line with what i would want to do with my financing or how i want to conduct my financial transactions. So i'm not a fan of it. But i think that ultimately you need to make a decision based on where you live in laws and regulations of your geography and can you live. I think for us. It's about like making decisions that you can live with yourself at night with and so for me is hard pass. But what are some risks. Are things that you think also should be talked about here. you are. Now listening to woking free woken woken free. Woken free thai cast. About being real and honest. I just think that the whole idea of this is is not really the way to go. Like you're saying because you're making money off the credit card companies and your. It's your technically eating into their profits. Now they're just they're giving you these rewards or giving you actually cash and you didn't. You didn't earn them any money. Actually you did or you didn't earn the much like they make some money off the transactions. But then you know. They're not actually getting as much as they would. If you were actually spending real and then technically can hurt the retailers to by doing that if you're not actually purchasing stuff from them you're just like you're you're basically bad going back and forth with their gift cards or something and that's not there's no real benefit for the retailer of that. It's better if someone gets a gift card. And then purchases the product because then it's like in rotation so that dig it. Oh engaging in this activity is it's not really. It's not good as a whole everybody did it. I don't think credit card companies would still operate. That's the crash constitute. Yeah i think there could be a big issues so you know. I don't think people would really engage in the that's why they will allow them will close your accounts because they understand that this is like hurtful towards their businesses because they they lose more money giving you these rewards it because the the whole idea this episode. I don't remember the exact story met now but it was someone earned like at like two hundred and fifty thousand dollars over like Almost a year period and they went to court over this. Because that's pretty crazy and they didn't spend remember they didn't spend anything to get. They spend it all using the credit card and just racked up these like reward points and then cashed in the reward points for cash now. So that's you know that kind of thing it's the credit cards be a little. We'll do it when you say they didn't spend anything just wanted to clarify that. They but didn't you have to write rack up a credit card debt to get those but one remember credit card. When i think of real spending i think goes you have cash on your account. You spend that cash on your account when you buy something on credit card and you don't pay back with your money from another account. I don't think of that as you spend anything. So i remember the story of like how they got the fifty minutes. I may not easy. It's hard but what the person did is they. Just they use the gift card. The avenue and money orders to the credit card debt off of that ended up liz so they bought like if you buy money order. It's really easy so you by money. Order use that money order to cash it and then you send that cash and pay off the credit card bill. Use the by the money order. Then you've got the point still from buying the money or the or cash back on that transaction right or yeah you could get cash back to. I don't i think the person was using multiple forms back and points and so just keep doing that has kept doing doing doing two hundred and get up to that and then just like accident take the money at the end of the day and they didn't spend any harney's involved with giving the money order credit vaden really earn anything or get anything from the not really. I mean the money order people. I think there's a cost money or like you get something for the money order but it was like the person earned a lot more with the cashback rewards than spend on money orders gift cards and the credit card company. Yeah they're kinda just left there. The only thing they get is the transaction fees so to accept credit cards. The merchant has to pay a transaction fees. They get that but it's it's a little tricky because right we're getting that but also we now we're paying this amount in the rewards interesting. So is that worth it. Kind of out of all the transaction did aspin. You have a quarter of a million worth it. So that's awarded just meant to entice you. They're not meant for you to actually make more than they may on their transaction fees and stuff. I guess it'll be interesting to see that if if there's a rise in this behavior that if this does maybe laws yeah more regulations that are put down upon us which is sad because it's kind of like people are always get so mad about like. Why are there all these new laws. Regulations ended. It's because it's like well if people would stop because then this the problem with this and i've done this before i've sold gift cards credit cards going to say you can't sell gift cards because people selling balance off because how can you regulate. Somebody's selling a gift card. And say oh you can't pay off your balance using that money. You people do that but instead you could say oh you. Can't you know you. Maybe can't even buy a credit card. Hardwood a critical. They may do stuff like them. And it's like a debit card or something not again. They might not want them. That's the problem people do that. They start putting things in place that just makes it harder for other people because people like the incentive but we never thought using the income. Take people out there. That's wow this is really earn a lot of money and then they got to ruin it for people that just just like the incentives. We don't like to live off with incentives absolutely here. We go yo. Here we go. So what's mareo. It's scenario scenario won. Crystal ball signed up for a program where he can buy products for free with his credit card and also get three and a half percent back in rewards usually asked the weight over a month before getting the refunds on the products. He's purchase but ends up with one thousand or thousands of dollars in rewards. Even though he didn't spend a dine should continue with this routine to earn rewards. Or should he worry. That has account could be closed. I'll interesting said the program is designed for him to buy products for free with the credit card and then he gets rewards on top of those purchases. Yeah and then. The question is because he's earning that like thousands of dollars in rewards. Is this something that he should be dealing. Should he continue. Because it's a thing where people sell products. This is a real thing too. So people sell products. They want to show that they have lots of sales. So what do is they'll sell something to people and then after thirty five days they'll give you a refund so you don't pay anything for so he's using that says advantage because then after the thirty five days he gets three and a half percent back so he spent vows he spends like guys tens of thousands of dollars to earn thousands dollars and he's not so he spends it up front and then pays off the bill and then he'll get the money back. I mean this is essentially in essence of the show. So i guess manufacturer experiment. Yeah it's going to be up to whether he he if he would stand that decision like if he feels comfortable with that and there are no rules or regulations particularly breaking from the credit card company. And of course. And beyond then. I guess i mean i'd it's immediate choice. Though what happens is it's like let's say i made a terrible problem but i'm giving away basically for free just to make sales people actually helped me with that with me producing the stable and show that i have a lot of sales volume seats. I think about it. It's like most people would answer the same way but then the problem is people said. Hey i can earn money off of this. I don't care. I'm not buying that product. I'm just gonna earn my money now. We have to look for each other and we are a world that needs to be more united and the decisions we make and how we each other and how we support each other and when you make a decision it's not just how this is impacting the greater impact on the world. We live in so y- hard pass. Yeah i would agree. I don't think this is. I don't like the idea of it. It's it's like it's gonna it. Maybe there's benefits the few who do it. But i think you her a majority of the economy when you do that because now these people that are selling products that are garbage get to sell it and then people wonder how the garbage had on the market. Yeah it's on the market and people are raving about it. Yeah you're raving about it because you got it for free right so that it's not it doesn't help so you should not do this. And will your count could be close to and what happens. Also what happens is sometimes people's accounts get closed and they don't have access any of those reward points or the money yet and so that has happened because they do it with another large company then does alcoholic transactions to gotcha scenario number. Two arlene wants to earn the maximum cashback rewards possible. She is deciding between sending money to herself using a popular payment service or buying cryptocurrency and immediately selling it which is the best way for her to earn her cashback. Oh wow that's a complicated question of spent time thinking about this concept. I i probably the payments aired this better. now they're both currency though. Now you're able to buy things and like so you would you advise me what you think is the best thing. I'm actually like. Stop okay to me. This one's easy. Because i mean you could argue both ways but i feel like that sending your money to yourself. I think that's kind of fades to be like that. That to me is a manufacturer. Spend anywhere you're not really doing anything but buying the cryptocurrency and selling technically that's investing okay. Okay i mean it's but yeah what's the difference between that and then buying the no buying the gift cards and sell only acid. The only thing. I'll say that when so at least what the cryptocurrency the price can go up but gift cards value can only go down. Stay the same or go down. So that's why. I think that's still a little bit different. But at least crypto kurtz technically it's an investment because it could go up. It could go down because they say that's an investment buying gift cards not so much investment. Because a they go they go down after time. Don't i mean i. I wouldn't think of it as but you could argue sheeting asset. Yeah you could argue though because technically it is supposed to equate to cash. I think in this case the crypto currencies the best way. Because i'd like that's gonna be hard for somebody to argue like you're doing something that's listener. It's kind of strange because it's just a form of investment and so. I think that would be better way to do to be honest like the other way of doing it. I think she can get banned on that platform. So don't do that. They can't band you that and that's like if you can find a company that does that they'll let you purchase crypto currency On credit then. Yeah you might as well. That's that's nice. You get cash back and your money of the crypto currency. Go not win win you think. Yeah so that's what i think. Scenario three separate thinks she might start a fund raiser using one of the popular platforms and use her credit card to reach her goals that way she can get two percent cashback on the money she spends and then use the funds to pay off credit card. Bill do you think this will earn her money at the end of it. All okay. so you wanna start a fundraiser. And then you wanna make sure you get. It reached the goal by the goal of you. Get rewards based on you reaching your own goal in paying off the credit card bill that he racked up four reaching your so that is safety. You listen to the accession about those that free on this news. This is an open woken free planned for what we say. You know recommendation here would be to actually really do a fundraiser. At actually get other people to help you reach your goal and by being able to earn two percent cashback on things that you are doing not necessarily trying to pay yourself back but like other purchases so maybe you wanna do coffee table and you buy You get your money back. I think i think the point here is that if you're going to spend money spend money don't try to beat the system and to get paid back on your own money and then it's circular crazy. I think this one's really funny. Because you're basically sending the money to yourself again somewhere but you you starting a fundraiser. You fund it all yourself and then you pay off the credit card bill. So now you're left with just the rewards money whatever the platform to the. You're going to get kicked off bolted. They may look in the ceo men. You only had one funder and it was. You've reached your goal and you're gonna put yourself water and so avoid. I don't know if this will work. And then if you save. Maybe i'd do it under another account like again then we're getting a dicey mode. The credit card company may get mad at you and the platform will be mad at you like why like there's so many make money lake try to actually invest or spend money on threat to add value to platform adver part of value. Because this because if you think about this this is a non added value to be done. There's no value being added anywhere here. This is just trying to take value. This is trying to earn off. Nothing being exchanged. So this interesting though this is i think this is gonna be interesting to monitor to see how this goes and plays out especially like inept pandemic like are more people. I'm just curious. I'm curious to see out when we watch this more. Will more people try to do this because now be reliable. I'm boom and i have nothing to do that. Saturday's that's worth things like. This brown's people have time to think and then sometimes thinking leads to some crazy ideas. Yeah exactly absolutely but it looks like we are at that time again. It is coming to the end of one hundred and eighty nine episode of will quite the episode discussing what is manufactured spending. Will we leave you hanging our next episode. We'll be about drum roll please. On our next episode we are discussing. Would you ever become a rapper. Make sure you follow us on social media to follow along the conversation and make sure you tune in next week for woken for wednesday to join the conversation at woking free dot com it. you'd like to be a guest on the show as you guys know. We are expecting our little one this summer. So definitely if we are looking into guests we are thinking the call and if you are interested in coming on the platform keeping you have to do hit us up on woken free dot com not in other platforms through messaging. 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Either a Ghost or a Brain Tumor
"Ruined. Welcome to a special Halloween bonus episode of antidotes, I'm your host Christine. This is a trailer for next week's episode where I talked to Allison a nurse from Australia while we were recording the episode Allison I ended up going on a little bit of a tangent talking about some of the ghost stories that we've heard throughout our career. Of course, this is an evidence based podcast, usually I like to talk about facts than research, and we are very pro vaccine, so everyone go get your flu shot while you're listening to this. But sometimes it's fun to talk about those myths and rumors from the old hospitals that you've worked in of nurses that never left in patients that still roam the wards. So Alison I got chatting, and I figured you guys would like to hear them. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast. So you don't miss next week's episode with Allison where we talk in much more detail about her career in Australia working in the ICU working with HIV patients at the. Beginning of the aids epidemic and so much more. If you have any hunting stories from your medical career or the hospital that you worked in please share them on our social media pages, Facebook, Instagram antidotes podcast. You can send us a tweet NGOs pod. I'm Christine N P or you can send me an Email at antidotes podcast g mail dot com. I hope you enjoy the stories. I wish I had some good stories to tell you. Oh, yeah. I don't have any personal experience with ghost stories, but I wouldn't have Tores in the hospital. I tried that because hosted was so old, you know, end one would in particular was off spot self in the middle of with and had been the locked psychiatric ward. So, you know, you get a bunch of young, nurses, and a spooky oh building. And history of being a look sock. Will you know, you're gonna get ghost stories creativity? There's a hope pitched a Facebook page from the Nisus trying to talking about ghost stories in bid pants flying everywhere. Knows cool. Lots going off when there was no one there. And and in the children's will people that swear that, you know, back in the days before this was before we had electric pumps. You know, everything was. A hand eat filled the bureau, drip, right in the let contacted interference. Yet is an old system that used to be saying Woking around the woods in one particular story was attending to a code a code blue on a young patient and all the other ages doing this in when it was alive in finished only bureau sits in the children's drips have been refilled, and people swear was the old ghostly system that would go around and fill up the children's to up the bureau. It's don't know how true it is. But the. There are lots of lots of those stories add love to love to have a ghost story ghost experience of never had one of you. You know, I I don't I I'm not sure. So all right. I'm very scientific person may to don't necessarily believe in the afterlife. Yep. I am in eighth easiest I'm very much like like, if you if you wanna believe something cool. You do you just don't be mean to people, but I've had some experiences. Yeah. We're like they're kinda spooky in supernatural and the comic splendid science. I can't explain it science. This is not medical at all. When I was in sixth grade, I walked into school one morning and everything was normal. And I decide on my desk, and there was a substitute. And I looked at sub shoot. And I went oh, my teacher died and just sat and it wasn't like a scary better. And it just pulled up my stuff, and we're just waiting, and you know, like sixth grade. So like, I'm twelve and then the principal walks in. And they go class. I'm really sorry to tell you that Mr. p died very suddenly overnight last night. So I haven't been sick or anything. No. He was like in fifties. I mean, he wasn't like a mountain climber Ernie thing. He was rather portly. I guess you'd say, but yeah, he just died, and I just knew it walking in the room. How it was so weird. And there was also this time where so my grandmother passed away. My mom. Mom was like my favorite person the world she passed away when I was like sixteen. So she actually had a stroke in front of me when I was probably twelve or thirteen and that's an watching EMS calm in watching her get treatment for stroke was part of what got me into medicine. When I was in basic training. I didn't think I was gonna pass. I was like oh my God. I suck at this rent and she loved cardinals. And all of a sudden this card cardinal appears the birds. Oh, yeah. The burqa. Another football team was something isn't there's baseball team that card is she loves she loved baseball to hire baseball team just appeared out of nowhere. In the minute of Oklahoma. But so you're like, okay. Like, great a bird appeared like you're an idiot. But this was like this inside courtyard like I had been there for like eight weeks and Nobre have been there. But also all of Oklahoma was on fire at this point in time. Like, you we are on these prairies in like nothing living in our own souls was in this area the time because it was just wind storms, and tornadoes and fires everything was gone. And so all of a sudden, I'm like in this hormone in this dark hallway and this like red breasted cardinal just shows up. And I was like, oh, it's like I just had this feeling that it was her. And then I was like, well that's stupid. It's a bird like, you're tired. You need them sleep. And then it flew away in. I was like had this feeling that I was gonna pass fine. And then that was it. I explained that away that like, okay, it was just a bird seeking shelter from fire. And maybe doesn't was so then my last ghost. Early. Experience was I was in purchaser school and so-. Nurse practitioner. School was a little bit rough for me, I got divorced in grad school and was like working bunch of jobs in like had moved back into my parents house. And this is way so much personal information for a podcast -gratulations, everyone you now know all about my life. But. And I'm like nests practitioners school is hod. Anyway, like just hod, and then you've got a list of stuff on. Yeah. It's not it's not like, I it's not like a good time. And so it was a little stressful. So I'd like eight moved, you know, big life changes. Right. And then this is the last semester to like you're studying in you've clinical precept Herships ided like several hundred seven hundred hours that semester on top of working in. So I was stressed. And so my grandparents had lived in like this little in law pertinent, and that's what I had moved back into in my parents house because I was really really poor. And I was in the kitchen that my grandmother used to cook in and she had lived there probably fifteen years beforehand, and then passed away and all of a sudden nice smelter like just smelled her so strong and multiple multiple people have lived in this in-law apartment since then like people have cooked in their like, she had this very distinct sent and I walked around the apartment, and I was like walk out of the room in the walk back into the kitchen, and I would just the smell would leave within would come back in the kitchen and like, and I was looking through the cabinets. It was like the middle of the day. I wasn't sleepwalking. I I smoked my grandmother. And I was like oh my God. I'm having an old factory whose nation. I have a brain tumor. There's either go, sir. I have a tumor, and it was much more comforting to believe in goes than to believe you had brain tumor. So I'm gonna go with the ghost. Never got never. I. Lovely stories knowing that you grannies grandy's they with the pumpkin me from wherever. Yeah. I just desperately wanna have an experience like that. Because I'm not a believer in because I can't explain any of that. This just so many stories out there and often think it is incident. So can be explained some have on this. Some spooky do listen to spook the put costs food. No, I don't. And I usually I'm not a big person about things because I'm so like, oh that can be explained it can be explained. Yeah. This some good stories out there that cannot be explained. So. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what to do with. It doesn't go to start treating to my world view that somehow I seem to bay this just what to do with. Yeah. My rational brain does not know what to do with things that. I can't explain like that. And yet, they're they are. Yeah. So happy Halloween. That's it for this week's bonus episode. I hope you guys enjoyed it. Make sure you subscribe rate and review on ITN's. And I will see you all next week for the full episode with Allison from Australia have a good weekend and have a safe and happy Halloween. Everyone.
Martin Tyler: The Offside Rule Exclusives
"It was possibly Blake as this. Live here. You'll side exclusives with cable say and Lindsey hookah. Very kindly joined by Martin Tyler. And this is a very different podcast for us. Because usually we've had people who currently playing in football or managing. But of course, the football stories you've got we couldn't resist coming along the way king and having a chance wondered first of all when you when you very first picked up a microphone. Of course, you stretching me now a long time ago. I wasn't trying to the broadcast, right? Never really expected to go into broadcasting. Play at times thought back in my mo- wistful moments says to why it happened how it happened. I remember being asked to do a hospital radio broadcast before I did my first television test really did a couple of those before my first actual television because it was in can tell you the game. I think it was about nineteen seventy four it was early in seventy four. It was a Cup tie between West Ham and Harrison, and a friend of mine who's a professional cricketer, Geoff Howarth, captain of New Zealand and the flatmate of mine hair. He knew somebody. I think connected with his girlfriend who ran the hospital radio West Ham, and they had two or three people did it on this particular day. They were short, and somehow I got recommended to to go, and I had working football. Then I've been playing on the football prior to that. So I've been coached by some very good people had my views, and I was fascinated by the game at the top level. So yeah, when did done that quite how it went. It was very unusual experience because I said the no brokers thing, but I thought next to another guy and we did through the game. I think it might have been a draw. I think Harith were surprise team. I know that West Ham played them a few times around that time, but it wasn't one of the great giant killing days. But just as the afternoon, so that was the first one the second one was I asked if I could go to a game out WT, we're covering I was working on the big match and on the ball. I got my chance television through I guess in those days who you knew them what you knew. But we went to system it was very graves fan. Tastic the big match on the board really big on the pope became the same graves electron 'cause you too you too young to remember any of this. And we went to system where we worked so hard over two weekends. We got the phobic. Handoff. So in fact, there were three people doing jobs for to really. And so on said we can in. I think type in nineteen seventy four I asked if I go to the game which TV would covering on the weekend covering which was awesome against keep ya. I took something not dissimilar to what we're talking to. Now. Nineteen seventy four version of and recruited a country. Just I I I'm sure I never thought it would lead to anything has happened. But of course, being television. I played it back to somebody who had some influence not that. I did it for influence. I just wanted to know what they thought. And then he was back. Oh, God him who was the took director of IT for many years. Very a one spent never forgotten guy. Of course, my gratitude to him when I finish off the story is immeasurable because about three weeks later southern television's they were cooled Meridian now rang up, and they said we were sure of a commentator for one game. Do you know anybody because everybody else he's working? I was in the office when this came in. And you know, sometimes you get sick sense of what's going on. I thought oh my God. He's gonna talk about me and half of me was carrying. Please talk about me and I'm half. What's? I'm pleased for God's sake. Don't talk about me because I've got no experience. Anyway, he did. And I said, well, we'll take we're chance we need to hear them again. So I did a proper test and on December the twenty eighth nineteen seventy four they will in for my first ever television game and the Christmas oversee talking this time now around Christmas and couldn't eat my Turkey. I I was sick to my stomach for three or four days. I've no experience. I wasn't at broke asked about he play some football. And and I got some belief in love the game. I think that was the most important thing he said to me at the end, they said well boy well done. Oh boy. We've got another one in a couple of weeks would you like to do that? And my off line is ever since. Then people have been saying we've got another one. Hopefully in a couple of days on the couple of weeks and kicked on from that. And then Jomo before I knew John because I was working behind the scenes intelligence. I've met him, and I still got it home. And you won't even know what this is. He sent me a telegram. So I've got the piece actually delivered to me and said, good luck talk little but say a lot, and I thought that was wonderful advice, and I've always been grateful to multi for for taking interest and we've gone on parallel careers. Really? So it's a fascinating story. And I just wonder part of me wonders what did you want to do when you're allowed? How different is it? What you ended up doing? I wanted to pay in the team photo on this will Woking club. I wanted to play for Woking. I wanted to play professional football. And now at the age of seventy three having come here is an eight year old. I'm funny on the team Fota as assistant manager hair here weekend Lindsay started off with we normally speak to players managers. I'm thinking hang on. We've gone manage your hair, kind of might be of roundabout sort of way, you go here. But you'll hear I've got to working for the BBC bulls, bibs and cones. That's the job of mind training nights. And making sure everything's set up for the players when they come out. Yes. I want to play I want to play football and cricket and those days that was worked sport was cricket in the summer football in the winter. And and I didn't really overlap too much and there were players who famous by Denis Compton people that played played for arsenal and played cricket for England. I was sort of my my role models. Really, my background is much more. Cricket than football. There was no football in my family tool. But my mother's side of the family. I was born in Chester, and my mother's side, the family all played cricket for Cheshire, and the Minor Counties. They were very good cricket as an aside grew up a little bit with they taught me a lot about the ethics of sport. How to win and lose properly, you know, with something that was drummed into me. We do that with dignity and count sap in a slave to that. I've tried really hard always to. Finish off games handshake and do the right thing. You know? And we we said he'd doing that. When what come to to play us and went kind to everything the right way. And that's TAOs new the manager. I've with the last twelve years and the man who foolishly is taking me into this world alongside my parallel life as a commentator, and he's always done things the right way. And that's the only reason I've been able to stay with him because you know, you you goes know from our broadcasting expectations. You can't embroiled in anything. That's on the hand or something that you're you're shamed. Of how does that relationship work with douse as she called him? Everyone calls him. I think everybody refuses to ons to alum. There was one player at one of the clubs who deliberately code him. Allen all the time to why him up. It works that Hayes very talented manager with a lot of drive and determination, but every manager needs help, and I come very cheap. I I've never taken a penny from any of the clubs that we wave were type because oversee I'm very blessed to have a I didn't come from from a job that I'm very lucky to have as well. So I just try and fill in the gaps for him really as the driving force. It was never meant to happen. If we talking about things working for Chiotis. Leo, we're talking about destiny when does I'm Bishen come into it. Because I think Lindsay, and I notice sometimes as well being, you know, our selves, I'm over fourteen did approaching forty and and we already to sit back and notice the new generation of broadcasters coming through and often how hungry and how ambitious they are. And how a lot of it's about promoting yourself a nice the point you my king. Because I'm on social media. I can understand why people are I really can. Veterans on that one. I don't have the time to if you like live up to the expectation of having a a Twitter account and two I know myself too. Well, something isn't it might not be about me be something in the world, and I would snap. And I would definitely make myself looking absolute pract by a nature reaction, and I just don't trust myself to Bain a position to do that. And so the rents go to my kids, so douse whoever I'm spending time with Gary Neville, or something we we. And. Because you seem so calm you'll come into exciting. But it's always you always seem very much in control of whatever's going on measures. So between us we'll get she'll goat injustice that partly to do with the way you were bought up as well. Because often I find that. I was brought up in the post warriors where everything on television was the good guys beating the bad guys. I like that resonated with me do in this not always Justice in football. We can play really really well and lose. And I think that's what I'm coming tighting. I like the team that plays well to win. And that's probably the nearest thing to a personal opinion on it. Because I think if you if you do well, and some sometimes the real drama is is something is unjust. I'm it was tough, for example and racing. My may have very tough when Everton the nature of the go. And the ako came in so late to rub them from getting something from infield the strangest on passing he think one thing that reminds you if you've never seen everything that can happen in football because I've never seen a go in all of matches. The I've been involved in as a fan as a player coach is a commentator. I've never seen a go like that. So I was quite pleased. The I actually sore it because when the version vandyke kick the ball up in the air, you thought, well, that's it game over I think everybody in the ground on the pitch though came. I sat Dave, okay? Reggae great credit to him. He didn't just happen to be that. He he saw the so what was happening and the reward for it. So. Now, it's. I just try and judge things as they happen. And I try to be very fair. I think that's all really that's the bottom line. They should ask coming tightropes to be fair. And that's probably if anybody ever says, I think you're fair, that's the nicest thing that I would have said about me because I know people say, I support all these very steams Kratz, you've got people in this stadium where we're talking now who will back up Mike my true claim I've been working fan since I was I is. Right. I mean, even if you were fine of another team. And I know that much nights is one that is thrown at you all the time it shouldn't matter because that is your passion in your spare time all and this is your job after told you about social I would bride it and the Daily Telegraph to the wonderful thing after they cut finally F L Cup final couple years ago when they printed to tweets one said the most biased country in favor of Manchester, United I've ever heard and the other ones the plans said the most biased country in favor of Southampton. I've ever heard both different Twitter accounts, and they printed about and I thought that's really kind of to do that. Because that's the way people say, and I I've no issue with people having opinions about what I do that Clinton titled to think that, but I'm no fan of any it seems to be a given that you have to have a primarily team. Well, I don't it's helped my work a lot of the heart. Hardest part about bias. If you lie as I'm sure you find the same as you get to know people and you want them to to well. And I usually once there, I can't tell you if you listen to it. I think it's on YouTube. I was very tight with my nonleague background as fan and is player and now coach when Rickie Lambert go in the in the in the Premier League we Southampton. I was thrilled. I'd seen him on the way up. Remember doing a game at Bristol Rovers for any school? And I just thought so wonderful story. Greg's I'm everybody. And then so office game of that particular as in the Manche, depending champions, and I get Southampton. Just been promoted munch this EV Southampton in August whenever it was. So I go down to what she's I do in my prep guy got on to Southampton trying and I say Ricky gray said, I'm on Monday Sabam, I'm not gonna stop the game happens, and and the United story he comes on the sub foam is hey scores. If there's any bias in. My work. Listen to that coverage. I was thrilled for him absolutely thrilled for him. And that that's where. Yeah. A personal failing. My might come into Burton promise you off come into. I'm working games, actually. And certainly not been biased. It's easy. When you is it just two teams on the pitch afterwards. You feel a bit that they they beat Millwall away actually Clive Walker. Chelsea Chelsea TV now say my law. It was spell here at the end of his career scored the winner at at Millwall, and we did it live on Sky Sports. And I suppose when I said the final score at my had a little bit of in it. But the game I promise you was probably the if anything I favored because he tried to do that to make sure people don't think you're biased you. Channel five TV. Exclusive video book. About SaaS and you'll I will cut would have been nineteen Seventy-eight believe. Yeah. I was very lucky. We was there was no recording facility. So to find out about these teams say them, we will give them five hundred pounds h four of us to go round Europe to some of the teams play because funding company was Argentina and Mexico with my first game. Mexico versus Tunisia was my very first World Cup finals coming and by complete stroke of good fortune, Mexico playing a German club side why I never bothered the find out. Anyway, I went to the game. It was in Bookham in Germany and watched the game in that game. They go to penalty, Mexico and. Take it was the captain Vasquez. I allies name was. So after the game, I still didn't recognize them all because they had an old pride. So the next thing. He does commentators you hover skulk if you like you look around looking to see them, and maybe they were waiting to get the bus back to the hotel, and I saw Vasquez I out, and and I for some rain, I said to penalty always that one pidgin Spanish of the sort of thing. Always he said, I always put my penalties that time. Well, thirty minutes into my very first game Mexico cap penalty, and I took a date breath and said, well I've seen in Tekken penalty. He always puts it to the goalkeeper's laughed and then held my breath, and he did eight that was my very first goal in the World Cup. And I prep for it by the diligence. I would recommend anybody wants to follow in the footsteps of any as tight. If you do if you put the work in its no guarantees like playing if you train hard you should play. Well, but you don't who is. But that was ours. Tell that story that they feel attention to detail them wanting to talk to them wanting to not just say I can recognize you. You know, what what is it? Sometimes it's it's easy to have some sp- easier in those days to find place to talk to. But yeah, that's the story for union. Enough like that these days because we can't access so much on YouTube so much available online. And you know, I completely credit you with still doing proper surge going to watch the teams play is there a danger that with the so much instantly accessible to us. Now that that side of the skill of being a commentator will be lost. I do to research, and if I got team where I really am. I still work on the Champions League for the world fade. Yeah. So we not more skies you, so I I might not have the opportunity we do these games of jobs. It said for those listening. That's from a monitor in the studio where you pretend the your that way. You don't pretend is pretty easy to do. It's not hard as you look at your money to when you're actually at the game. Sometimes so. So I might do Mike at a team way. I not saying them for a while. And and you can go play by player. And I and I use it. I would look at their skills. And then I'd ask for on the on the search say for an interview. So you'd really say them in their place and also get a little bit. Obviously some of the intrigues had done in English for the foreign place anyway. And so I think it's a good tool. Yeah. If you can get to him, but the games comes out they can pass you remember those days when talking about in the seventies. I might to one game every two weeks or something like that. You know, maybe when those jokes be one game every every Saturday, but you'd have whole week to research it and maybe because a lot lower division football, maybe playing on the cheese too. I travel up and down. I got through a car season. Cows went so good in those days. They are now. Yeah. Yeah. Dumb breakdown as much as they used to used to is to just. The least mechanical person in a live. I think so. Well, it was. Yeah. And but at the end of the season, I always changed because it was falling to best. So yeah, we did a lot more us. What's available that would be my tip? And and the internet is brilliant. I be stupid decided on using. I'm curious to know being that you'll career is so low and experienced who you've taken great interest who will perhaps a team or even perhaps the style of play the way the games now played what have you followed with interest throughout your career? Whether it's been a significant difference wattle or who. I think I liked to see the good in all of it. You know, I'm in six three, and I was nonleague center for when I love plies like that. Because I I know how difficult it was a main to try and achieve anything of that. I was thrilled last week went out to go with three headers. I know that's all I could do was my big scale. And I think it's changing the game of the fullest changed. The game as of this much more of a passing game. I little bit concerned abound. The playing from the back because. Only primarily players on primarily pitches. I think can do it. And if you're a kid thinking, I should play like Johnstone's, for example. And you plan your local team in your ten years old. And you think that's the right to play. And you lose the ball three times. They'll skull three times you may never play football again because at that age break, your heart. And I do think we've got to be careful and trying to replicate some of the some of the very top level applying. So almost like a different game, and they wonderful at it. And and I don't have have any issues about compensating on it admiring. But I do I am concerned in in the coaching side of it. It's it's just not maybe I mean, we got professional players here at working we do not play from the back because the pitches aren't good enough. And we love it if the opposition do because we think we can pounds, you know, not because the replying tongue skillfully enough, but one little. Bubble on the late pitch. And you're in the ball, and you thirty hours from go. And and so I think that that's consent. I have. But now, I just admire them. It's why I wanted to and was never quite good enough to not even never even quite good enough. Never good enough to join sky in nineteen ninety and cool. She's still there. Now, I'm we'll talk in a little bit about sort of Lhasa part of your career by wanted to ask about keys and gray. And the change in football. Really when it comes to considering women from women broadcasters to looking at women's football. How did you interpret the keys in gray situation? And if listeners on familiar they had had a bit of a guy that female linesmen saying that she didn't offside rule that also was the birth of a podcast as well. But how did you feel about that happening to your fellow professionals? It's a very difficult subject to talk about because I work very very closely with with both of them strangely enough yesterday as we speak yesterday. We. We went to we played eastern United away with Woking and that air that day at it. I have when Andy was signed. I was king Kingston cutch driving to play Maidstone United away. And I was the first time since and downsize lease flagged it up because I got to the ground, you know, in the states of obviously some shock really because what had happened happened very quickly. I can't. Akon sit here and say that. It was the wrong decision on a personal level antedates, come and tight with was a balanced meal. I'm believably. I mean, we did role-reversal because commentator if you like the play by play guy, which is may especially shout and scream and the Kokomo especially cooling analytical over the other way round, you know, and he was the one guy take about son of huge huge levels. I haven't really talked about it before I is a painful subject because. Yeah. Two lives were changed dramatically. And I saw the pain and Andy spoken quite recently quite publicly about how how he was close to. Suicide failings about because it happened. It was it was such a date Sam so quickly. On the other hand, I do understand. And I saw it firsthand. Some of the reasons behind it. Sean Massey is still running the line. Very very well today, which is great credit, and she she she didn't instigate any of it. She was just just part of it. I think the world is a better place if some of these things happen, and the will be people who perhaps shouldn't necessarily be victims of it. But because the world needs to improve. And I do think it's improved. I think it's massively improved. Whether they were just in the wrong place wrong time doing their own thing. That defense would be everything that I said was with good humor and fun. I can say from personal experience because even some of it was directed at may that it wasn't always good humor and fun. But I genuinely believe that's they thought. So I don't want to to slag off to one full professionals that are still working and who've hopefully taken on board a lot of why why things went wrong for them. But it was it was a big change at the time and economic come from at sky, they've found the right guy has to to take over and rich and they've found another tree to get to the top of and credit to them for that. And I'm sure that older send the older I would like to think that wise. And it night everybody sit up and take notice and that was an issue and the happiness shoes in recent times. I'm you know, I I do think inclusivity is a really important thing. I've grown up with women in football all the time. Whether they that maybe not being broacasts when I started, but in club secretaries and they've been around the game. And and been very much a part of what we, but we regard as the football industry. So I'm sure it wasn't meant as disrespectfully as it came out. But it did come out very disrespectfully. Let's bring it onto commentating Schley and bring it into your fair. Why do you think the has been so much resistance to female voice commentating football? It seems as been acceptance in areas like reporting and onscreen faces presenting, but when it comes to commentary the Steelers that resistance we had Jackie O league with much of the day some years ago, we had this world cut where we saw Vicki sparks introduced, and the still seems to be that backlash. I'm not so sure you're right. One of the issues is always the female. Voice doesn't lend itself? Client today, I suppose the gravitas if you lie, and that's only part of country. At that it it's a different page. And if parts of being a successful broadcasters carrying out of the hurdle from being a new voice to being a comfortable for his. And once you do that you've got away with a lot more mistakes because paper towel. Versus associated with I've been privileged to have my voices as yet with football. And an obviously there are many other people we can name with different sports. So I think it's getting people used to it. So the only way that's going to happen is regular commitment, and I'm disappointed too. I have to declare interest here. I know Vicky sparks because her sisters my daughter's best friend. So I knew Vicki what she was actually when I first met her matter up in the northeast, and we talked about all these things a few years ago now, but she hadn't made any any any national impact. But I could tell from talked about Chelsea season ticket holder. She has some strong views about the probably talking about the game. I was gonna come and take on the next day. She was doing country on non league football at Gateshead and places like that. So I was really taken by her whole football personalities, whether it's a very nice person as well. But but but. Brooke custom -bility, and I've been actually banging around wherever I've gone. She has once live voices little bit deeper than than some of the other girls. Rarely I do think that she's probably the best chance of regular of getting into that sort of. We just say oh that Vicky. It's football. I really think it's it's mostly that. I don't deal with writings, I don't do with views complaints unless they're about may. And obviously I have to deal with him then, but I wonder whether some of those who come into say greater value. I mean, Alex Scott's been amazing. I mean, she's gone from being a player to being on the just like if you like Gary novelties another right back. Maybe the right backs of the ones that should be doing this. But I wonder whether she could do country, you know, some people are suited to it. And some people I mean, temperamentally not in any other way for some people that the prep is too much and the being on screen is what makes them have glow and Alex has fantastic. Glowing screen. So I think it will happen. I don't see any reason to why it shouldn't. I mean, people say the wrong thing immense. I the wrong things that wrong time on television. I have one of them. And and you know. Said really, oh, well, maybe maybe it's seven it's not a sexist thing. It's just a particular person who soon so I think that door is that I don't think that shot. It's really just somebody needs to perhaps polit- back from the inside as well. As a woman, come and take the barge straight. You know? Download for free food. Much. Do you see the landscape changing in terms of the influx of women in in the media ethnic minorities, which being both through fast pace as well? Because it's been so behind the times the world is is improving. I do think in terms of, you know, the approach to say racism, we've had the Ryan studying stuff racing than we think we've moved on from that haven't way. But now, we haven't something something happens like that. But it is rare. And it's also actually a nudge just noticeably older people, but and I talked to Brian Henderson's, cricket producer at sky. And I love cricket. And I've I've worked watched a lot of his work, and we took because I and the girls in the creek unbelievable. I think the best example, and and he's had to go football saying, well, I think you should do more. And I think more is being done know, but the. The the interesting thing about the the cricket commentators. They some they they've worked in cricket as well. They have positions of authority that coaches in cricket. And I think that gives them that kind of depth of knowledge. I'm I'm constantly amazed. How good they are. And how. How they live in the man's world. Totally quality and the men except totally quality in football. I think it's been a bit slower, but it's well on the move and and sky playing a big part in it. And I think the fact that we're having this conversation you've had careers, and the EU will tell me, I should be asking you really about how difficult it's been for you. And how has it improved has has improved for you to in? The course of. I mean, I think an eye generation definitely benefited more than the generation ten years older than us compared to the ten years older than that compared to the ten years old. And I think the real positive thing is although we may not have everything handed to us. And this definitely been a lot of barriers of needed to be broken down to them. I don't think it's been hunted. But I think it's just being it's spin easier. It has been easier for men who wanted to go down the same route. I mean, and that's just a numbers game. That's just by looking at a press room and seeing how many men are in there, and how many women from that point of view. That's a numbers game. Isn't it? I think an ounce it to that question about whether it's easier for the men, I think there are less barriers for a man to get into broadcasting, and particularly fronting shows all there have been down women so back in our day, which is fifteen twenty years ago, almost there were often reasons why women wouldn't be put in front of a camera behind desk. But they were never really those questions about men. The biggest thing that's changed. And that's what I would want to encourage people who listen to our podcast, you listen to you and your experience is it's about the knowledge, and I think women for a long time once seen as experts they were just seeing. They've only Cundy to sit next to the men who were experts, for instance, in a television men were county as well. In terms of they go on because they look good on the screen, and I'm sure that probably aren't there for that reason. I've never no. Think I don't think you know, men, and I candy is different. Because for example, I've never worked in a spoke pastiche for the BBC. I've any ever worked at sky and other organizations and football clubs, and I can honestly say in my experience that was never a case of we'll we'll get so and so on because they're eye candy. Maybe we'll get Mr. Exxon because he's an ex player, and he's well known or he's got a good social media following. But, but as I said often there were more obstacles in front of us as women her nose is too big. She talks out the side of her mouth identify the way her hair is often obstacles like that. And I'm talking early days now, perhaps not perhaps not recently. Wouldn't this agree with you? But I've known people might be. I'm one of my I'm not on camera very much, and I've never really had. The designing presenting is different skill all together. And I'm gonna out in about person at my most comfortable in the football ground. I could come here and bring my laptop and work in the football ground because I've really feel I belong, but I've none decisions might pet. We come put him on. You know, he he wanted to pieces to camera. And so I do think there's a bit of that. I agree. I I'm sure the standard the buzz higher when when it comes to choosing ladies on the screen, but I say, many more the knowledge level. I mean, I was thinking about highly might be here today who who could I grew up in a no football my house. She grew up with a dad who I'd love to bits, by the way. Gordon, played a big pine helping me as a player when when I saw a lot of with him as a Kokomo. As well. So that the amount she learnt about football and not not just how the games played but the lifestyle, and that's very important know how and when to address paper one of the great skills. I think football reporters is to pick your moment to speak, particularly after matches and the after match reporters have have put you. Marinas last ever interview on Sky Sports, Jeff trace. You put your head above the parapet counting in that to do that. And I think people are highly will she'd know exactly how when to speak because she's saying that Taiwanese situation as a coach as well as a as a player. So I think that background actually can help people as well. Then then that that kind of knowledge is not the knowledge perhaps that we're talking about about so studying the game, but just smelling. And and and I was so people say how'd you prepare for game? And I spoke to fund enough yesterday. It was written up on the board in the infancy. Just come out Martin west by fleet primary school nine thirty eighteenth of December, and that's my primary school. And I was that and a group of eight-year-olds to commentating when somebody tapped me on the shoulder and said Maria has been sacked, you know, and so that that's I discussed that with eight year olds and they knew and they knew because they they're exposed to football. Now. I know what goes it was mixed. You know, the the best girl commentator. He's on Chelsea's books as a whatever you can be eight years old ninety S Open trains with Chelsea she knew what she was talking about. And and they actually done is filmed the game that they played in before I got to the school and they played it on. He would with all the technology and played the match for them to come and take on there. Match. I'm looking at matching thinking, she's good. And that's another thing that's helped. I think in football the quality of of women's improves so much. I remember doing an internationally Elliot's of sky England against Italy. I think it was the Italians would really good England. So and and there were things in the game that go it's not gonna work. This is never gonna catch on those things eliminated. The lettuces them that the desire the ambition of the players the professionalism of it. It's a really good. What my my actually my son goes to watch more. He goes to women's Cup finally grown up with football, and he can come to work anytime he wants, and when he was young I used to take him to to work, and he'd sit sit with a sub sometimes, but she then he realized that the time he realizes now a privilege Connex go to hat trick famous hatrick forum for arsenal at Chelsea. And and like it was coming and it was pouring with rain. And the end of the game eight he got side. Now, how twelve fourteen I gave him counties tracks top which still exists in our house. I think he was a little boy. And this massive thing round it. So I know I know why we'd go onto the subject all I can say is from where I sit at skies booze. Everybody wants to say the diversity everybody wants to see inclusivity, but you've got to be good enough. And that's that's the ones that have broken through. And you to apply your trade. So successfully you'll good enough, and I wouldn't want if skills file me, I don't wanna be that. Just because I'm I'm somebody's been around for awhile. I shouldn't be that you play for your place. That's what teach here is a truly wonderful game played by very good people and by elite sports people. And honestly, you know, you've asked me about myself. I still have to pinch myself to believe I'm a part of it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm to be part of it. And I'm you know, Kanani wish more power to you into Highland to the podcast and to all of those who are trying to follow in your footsteps. Exclusives is produced by offside productions and that it said by Lucy Lavery.
#38 "Wellbeing In The Workplace" with Lauren Gasser, who went from AICPA to YOGA
"Welcome to beyond disruption for you'll learn. How emerging tech is changing the world of accounting business and finance our guest experts break down the latest news, everything from flock chain to robotics. Artificial intelligence to human intelligence. Tune in to find out how you can stay ahead of the curve. Hello, welcome to the bunk from a London office. I'm Kyle Hannan and this episode wellbeing in the workplace. We'll be talking about how we can strike to balance between the nine to five and what makes us thrive. We'll be exploring how to bring more head space into the workplace, and we'll be doing that with expert guest, Lauren. Gasser Lauren is a former air CPA and staff member who's changed tack and started a career as a yoga instructor a mindfulness coach and a wellbeing podcast. She makes a might his show called move your head and talk us, our own deeply, honest and personal journey and reveal some practical things that business can do to prioritize wellbeing and enable it in the workplace. So let's get started Lauren. Where are you speaking to us from today? I in south London Brixton today. Good ball tonight sunny day there. So. Appreciate your taking a break from the sunshine to join us here in the podcast weeks. Forty sharing your experience and wellbeing and your insights to bring that into the woo place and shed that with all community of listeners in more than one hundred twenty countries some of them may already be aware of your work. But for everyone else, what have we left out? What else are you working on? How does it connect with topic today which is wellbeing in the workplace? I started teaching yoga because I discovered it when I was investi I found it helped awful lot with my stress and with my own anxiety. I experienced and do most of my my teenage years, and I discovered and meditation mindfulness and without wanting to make it sound too dramatic it pretty much changed my life. It changed the way I approach things, especially the way that I managed my. Erin, mental health, and I wanted to the commie teacher and to help other people to use yoga and meditation and in a way, the I had in a way that helped them to manage that they were in well being there in mental health, and and I had an ever intended specifically to go into a well being in the workplace that happened quite organically. I started teaching actually while I was working for the association in then onto office. And then I go another class in another office, and it kind of snowballed until I was specializing I suppose in yoga, and and mindfulness for professionals in a in a corporate environment discoveries. Always an amazing thing. Tell us a little bit move about. That first session and what it meant to you university. I had always had. Shall we say questionable mental health? I I had experienced quite bad, anxiety and bouts of depression for most of my adolescence and university was a very very difficult time for me is difficult for everyone loss of stress lots of pressure. I wasn't coping very well. On a friend of mine recommended that I come with her to a yoga class 'cause she's the it might do me some good in might help me to relax a little bit. An actually the first class I ever attended. I remember very clearly I left halfway through a not because I didn't like it. But because I actually found it quite overwhelming anyone he's practiced a yoga mindfulness is quite a big deal to to to sit quietly with your own thoughts, especially when they thoughts on particularly pleasant. So I left early and. I though that was horrible scary. And then the next day. I I didn't exactly why I just was I felt like I needed to go back straight away overstate it tucked into something that was quite difficult. But also, I knew straight to a how powerful necessary was a so I went back the next day to another class. And it was still scary. But it was a bit less scary than the first time and within about a week or two. I was just completely hit. I found that mindfulness meditation, especially the way the I often described people that come to my crosses is that it's basically practicing choosing. What you give you energy it so often fillers like we all thoughts. And if we have thought or feeling we have absolutely no control personally, one negative Thole can derail me days. Just go round round round in my head and mindfulness is really just. The practice of choosing. Whether or not you give a thought your energy that makes this much easier than is and oversee there is some sometimes where you just can't get a thought or feeding out of your head, but often it is possible to observe a thought to to realize that you'll have in thought that isn't really serving you in any way, it's not benefiting union anyway, and to just choose to give you energy to something else, and the becomes easier and easier the mood e practice, meditation, at least it has for me and even years and years after starting is not like, I I'm just happy and carefree all day every day. It's not it's not magic. But I think that it gives you tools to at least have a sense of of control of your own mind over the way that you live your life is something that I was looking for for very long time. And I found in mindfulness in in. Yoga in a way. I didn't find anything else. Frank so much for many people. I think they would find that particularly difficult to admit to themselves. Let alone share with other people. So thanks very much for sharing that with us on the podcast, these discussions about mental health about resilience something. We're hearing more and more specially when here in UK where reading stories about young people going to university and with the pressure on on blind. Social media was not adding to what they have to try and just get their head around starting university. The disruption of many people living away from home for the first time having to follow their own Paul having to choose what to do with that time living in an entirely new environments and at the same time having to figure out. How to create a path towards that future professional career? So this is really anything new few cost your mind back a bit with some of the first examples Yucel of mental health workplace wellbeing starting to come to the fore. Where did you see this start to manifest itself? Nobis ations that you working for what did they do about it? How did they change what they were doing? I think that that's just to go back home a point. You just made. I think that this sense that mental illnesses is new in some way is nonsense win. We've always experienced him emotion in in its varying degrees. The fact that it's now something that we're able to talk about and identify as I think Neopolitan thing, I think that the the main change the I have seen is the fact that the more. That we talk about mental health in the media on television, lots of fantastic campaigns, especially in the last year or two with people openly talking about their own experiences at the more that we start talk about in the workplace and so employers in organizations have to be prepared for that. I think that it's quite easy to have a values or mission statement or something that says that you ready value staff in well-beings reimporting elect kind of thing, but it sort of empty words unless feel actions as your policy, the actor working environment in which people are allows people to feel safe to talk about their wellbeing and allows them to to take care of themselves. So these issues of certainly being around for years and the vocabulary ways we talking about it. These days much. Easy to share on. Social media information is online with rounded by data and discussions about putting much any topic onto the sun. But when did you discover this for the first time, what was the first experience? You had hearing words like mental health workplace. Well, being when did you first hear these formerly raised in a workplace environment? I have mostly worked in the charity sector, and I think that at least the charities the I have worked for have often been very good managing these conversations, partly because when you work for charity, you often as a member of stuff, you're often dealing with quite emotional, and sometimes even traumatic content and subject matter. So it's very very important that stuff feel as they they're safe to say, if if they're feeling overwhelmed, or if they're finding something very difficult. Omai being a they need to go home for the rest of the day in just kind of take stock wherever that might be as I would say that I first became aware of it working at charities. It was really built into the working week, for example, one of the judges I wet they would be one lunchtime week where. People would that be kind of like a Brown Brown bag lunch? We could go and sit together an e and that somebody would say so has anyone of Sinoe head anything radio upsetting this week. They'd like talk about and that was that was really, really helpful. I think that it has to be something that comes from the top down. Do you have to be able to feel in order for an employee? Remember stuff to to feel comfortable talking about the facts that they're feeling overwhelmed funding ins difficult. I think that it's important that people in leadership set the example. So at this charity that I'm to describe now also see was very very open and honest about sometimes becoming very upset by by things that she'd heard she was very emotionally intelligent. She wasn't afraid. To appear to be upset in front of us in front of members of stuff or to talk about how hard she found something it's not about it's not about undermining prevailed professionalism all make a la- making it seems they you'll incapable a week in any way, the inefficacy across that way. And it was just that she wanted to be very honest with us, and it meant that we intend able to be honest with her which I think benefit everyone, you have to balance onus transparency and confidentiality that's the way to create conversations that lead to transformation the were place on talk about something like this. Without it feeling that perhaps here you putting something out they which can make people feel a little bit vulnerable. So the first thing is to get used to having those conversations and just to be honest nuts baltim- up as well as top down. But before we continue a quick note that this. Cost is part of the Gobi on disruption initiative by the association of national suit five professional accountants, you find out about us on the website. We'll have links and the show notes. And that's where you also find links to the store and the CJ stool of those websites have courses webinars and more professional development resources around this topic. And to get our latest podcast episodes every week that's automatic and completely free. You can find us an apple podcasts, Google podcasts, Stitcher Spotify and plaintive of the places where you get your podcasts to you can search online, go beyond disruption podcast simple. Speaking of places. Let's get back to where we were in our conversation with mental health and workplace wellbeing experts podcast and yoga instructor Lauren Gasa, so Lauren. Let's ask about having the conversations we know what people need to talk about. But how easy is it for them to actually? Do it and a workplace environment. When you've got senior management when you've got members of professions, which may be less touchy-feely than many of us. I mean, you not looking at musicians or creatives looking at people who may be Bank his or accountants, this is not a conversation, which may at first come naturally to that type of professional. It may feel uncomfortable. It may feel unfamiliar. So what is impractical steps that would help people lift their heads from the spreadsheets and start to have conversations like this. I think that that's one of the biggest challenges, I think that there are several factors. Several things to consider. Fast. It's important to say the wellbeing doesn't have to mean yet practicing yoga in your face. Like, there are just people who are not ever going to feel comfortable practicing yoga in front of colleagues. And I completely understand that wellbeing doesn't look the same for everyone. It might be the some people just need some time alone. Some people might need to have the flexibility to take slightly longer lunch break to leave the early one day because they're having a really bad time of it. But I do think that it's important for people to step out of their comfort zone sometimes. And I think that just because the image that you have Bill is one of professionalism, and perhaps even formality in your your someone who's in a senior position let you said, gee, you wear the suit and you keep your distance. You make sure that you're always. See in a very professional capacity. It's not necessarily a bad thing to to break down some of those rules with your employees to for example, at the moment. I am teaching yoga and meditation classes for the law society, and an obviously there there are lots of the sorts of people that you're describing and one of the senior directors. He started to come to the the meditation costs, and whether he did this intentionally all otherwise, he has become an MBA of souls. He. And he talks about the. Yeah. He he talks about them with his with within the senior leadership team, and he mentions them when he gives updates and things like that. And I think that that as being really powerful because it's meant the other people he may be identified themselves with him people that think that that that kind of person in the senior in the not the kind of person who does yoga in inverted commas at she thinks will maybe I woke if that gave in if that person's doing it. So I try whenever I start a new class somewhere to find the least likely advocate again at the least likely person that you would imagine doing yoga, and I think that often it feels like opens the door to other people who would normally think this isn't ready for me. It's really important to find an advocate, and if you can get someone who understands the importance of this. And then we'll motivate. This has something. There will be is Asian does and drive it from the top down, bats ideal. But sometimes you've got to start from the bottom up. So some of the ways that you can introduce this from an individual level peps just you couple of mates doing something. Like this the first practical steps you can take stock with with an individual. That the simplest solutions. This the simplest answers to the ones that people probably know ready things like actually taking breaks and taking five minutes every hour or two to step away from your desk to have a Ican have a stretch at your desk in a very unassuming way. It doesn't have to be down facing dog in the middle of the office and taking a lunch break getting outside going for a walk. These things I always feel people listening rolling their eyes. Go third in the I have have lunch break, but you know, that's kind of where the the policy, and and the the company's ethos comes in because if you work somewhere, and you honestly, feel like you cannot ever take an lunch break because you have too much to do than that is something that you should be able to raise with your line. Manager because that isn't a one thing it's not productive and for to some point that is going to start to impact your wellbeing. And then you went be produced in the best work that you could anyway. So at the having time away from your desk Woking, drinking, lots of water stretching one of the best things about mindfulness meditation is that just doing it for five minutes makes a massive difference. So there are lots of like apps and YouTube channels in websites and things that offer guided meditation, I the free old rag raided cheap subscription to taking five or ten minutes out of your day to sit quietly on your own and do a mindfulness practice and then get but till to your desk. That's Radi brilliant habit to get into. This isn't just about Stoff feeling better in happier, which oversees is hugely important. But from a business perspective, this makes sense there. There's so much research now. That's gone into levels of productivity levels of creativity. Just how much better you are everything you do if you allow yourself some time and space to completely switch off to recharge and literally to get things flowing again. And that there are some oganisations in much better. Promoting this kind of thing than others. But it isn't. It isn't just about trying to avoid stress is actually about improving the output of your stuff too. So change practices. Do things differently stone saying yes to different stuff, but you have to balance things out having chief everything you say, yes to it has to be something that gives you the opportunity to take out. What do you do to say? No to one of the things you've been saying. Yes. To is your new podcast code move your head. How did that start? Tell us more about the podcast. Navia ahead is a fortnightly podcast where I have a different guest eight episode, and they talked to me about their experience with mental health mental illness, how it manifested for them because you know, you soon discover when you start talking about this the it looks completely different faith everyone. And then I took a specifically about ways that movement in in any capacity helps those people will has helped these people to cope with that with them into illness. So we'll have people be see yoga Pilates in stretching. Things comes up quite often. Because that's kind of what the where I go one of the things I do to help myself, but I've had people come into about Woking and talk about boxing cycling, swimming, martial arts, all kinds of stuff, which is one of the reasons why just told about walking on your lunch break because is such a common thread in or in the guests that I have that just moving think that's kind of the takeaway just moving in any capacity move your body. Take deep some deep breaths get away from your desk away from screen, even just before ten minutes and. It ready just makes such an enormous difference as if you make that into a habit if it's a habitual thing. Then I think that often people notice really big difference making a punt cost brings all sorts of new routines workflows processes, you've got to be fairly disciplined to make podcast on schedule. Every time believe me, we know all about that here at the go beyond distruption podcast. How you found these new workflows these new processes these new routines, adding these new tasks to you're working month. How's that help refine and define what you do one of the reasons that I as I said, I became a teacher in I the came interested in in a lot of this stuff is because I struggled with Mayan mental health for a long time. And I found talking about it very therapeutic for very very long time. I never talked about it. Absolutely. Certainly didn't talk about it in any professional capacity. You a profession environment because I like a lot of people. So that was going to be detrimental to my career in some ways. If if you know, my boss found out, the I go exile, depression, they were going to think that I was alive. -bility? Maybe I wouldn't get cheese would have if I hadn't said anything, and I did find I finally thought why can't go on like this? You know, I have to just be honest, and I found it hugely beneficial helped me massively. And I hope that it helps the people I talked to about it. A now I try to it's really difficult by do try to be more on this. We know in my various jobs to if I am having really bad few days. And I feel like I should be able. To to tell my employer that that is what's happening. And it doesn't mean that. I that that's me forever. It just means. I'm I want to be honest with them that I'm having a bad few days, and that I maybe need I. It's very very simple things like that. I might need to what from home for a day or two or I might need to take a slight Ilunga lunch break or leave slightly earlier or starts on later. And but I think that if we if we get away from this. This nursing of presented him in business. You know that you have to have bums on seeds, and that these start trusting people to to do the work that they've been assigned to do it as well as they can and people know themselves better than anyone else knows them. I know how I am going to best achieve something. And if I think that that I'm going to be the best version of myself, if I go for a walk and take the rest of today often come back with fresh tomorrow than I would hope that my employer would would have enough faith in me to do that. The great thing about doing the punt cost like move you'll head. We discover that here with the podcast to is. That by having these conversations with someone else at sometimes makes it easy to have those conversations with yourself. But if you can be having conversations by Repub costs that then reach other people sharing those episodes help your listeners to start to think about things in a different way to explore issues and to to start have those conversations with themselves. Then that's that's a big step. That's the power of the right conversations at the right time. But when it's a conversation that you having face to face with someone when it's something that you've got to sit down and do for the first time friend were relative, but clients, and Nikki we're talking about work. You said you were doing with amongst others clients like the open is Asians, like, the nor society wonder some of the first questions that you have to deal with well often. My my first port of coal eight in is is somebody who's looking to. Introduced some kind of wellness practice full that for the organization full that team saying the person I'm talking to you might be kind of HR manager. Or someone in a leadership position, and you know, in in own Issey in this. This is these all business environments that the main questions that I get all to do with. What impact is gonna have O'neil is aviation and on the stuff because people do want to know is this going to mean that the stuff take less time of sick is gonna mean? Stafa more productive. Is it going to mean that stuff satisfaction is higher? You know that they that. They they're happier that they want to stay working at the company for longer that kind of stuff and the answer to all of those things generally is. Yes in if you'll if employees are healthy and happy, and they feel as. That employer. Really really cares that they all. And then yet, the you all you are going to have less less people taking sick leave. You are gonna have a a more dedicated in productive stuff force. OVC the the people who who actually want a participates in the employee's. They're much more interested in the benefits the gonna feel so people especially America. The first question is just always can I do it? If I'm not flexible. I mean that is just what everyone always asks and the onset that obviously is. Yes, in is is about movement in the decree of movement that you have available to you doesn't really matter very much. And and the the the thing that comes up all the time with meditation is people's to saying they tried to any conduit netted, they tried to meditate, but that brevity is a hundred stores in the head Nick never clear their mind the negative frustrations in they give up. And the best piece of advice that I give those people one of my favorite quotes i-it's a law. And is that meditation is the the spaces between your thoughts. So it might be the sit down to meditate for ten minutes. And you've a hundred times you realize that you're thinking about something you're thinking about what you can have dinner. You're thinking about that piece of work that you really have to finish. And if every single time, you realize that you've become distracted that you have thought you drool yourself away from that stole you come back to your breath. You come back to your body. Even if that loss for second before the next thought comes along is that it's that choice to allow thought to pause, and that is that is what you're practicing. So I think that people need to be reassured that than not doing it wrong. Described by put us monk as being something like chattering monkey when meditating when concentrating on your own thoughts. You're not trying to drown out the world around us not sitting in the temple trying to use your mantra, what's in your own head to bitter. It's what's going on in the world around you to drown towel. What you do? Is. You aknowledge you notice it, and you fit it in around. What else is going on your head the psychic chattering? Monkey you. Don't try to drown it out with your meditation. You notice it's and you say to yourself. There's a chattering monkey and then you move on. So let's leave that chattering monkey to one side. And look ahead. Let's look down the line and try to put off finger on something that we think is around the corner. What disruption what big change to use e coming up when it comes to? Mental health in the nine to five context. What's coming up next? What should we be paying attention to fly? Let me see I think as I've touched on ready, more and more people are going to be speaking candidly about their in mental health problems at work. And I think the organizations and people in in a leadership position needs to be prepared that that's not to say that. I think that everyone should suddenly go out and do counseling qualifications because it's not it's not necessarily appropriate to take on any sense of responsibility for employees mental health. But there are some things that I mean, it's going to be really important to fill the nation's in individuals notations to get better. So one of the things I always talk about when I get this question. Sometimes by where places I what can what if someone comes and tells me that they're actually really depressed. I wouldn't know what say the main piece vice the I gave is the active listening is is the is the best. The you can offer another person and you as as as a manager. You didn't have to be an expert in psychology. Don't even really have to understand over late in any way to a person describing but active listening, so really giving someone you'll complete attention listening to what they have to say knowledge in you believe in them. And that is really that's ninety five percent of of the skills required. I think that that that kind of human that empathy that. Allowing a person to feel comfortable to be honest with you not way that those skills that some people will probably need to improve. But they can be not activists knees. In is a skill that can be practiced in campaign proved quite quite easily. And then I suppose off that point it becomes more of an issue a kind of broad issue the policies within your organization, they built your policies need to reflect you'll achieved to Stoff wellbeing. There's it's all well and good encouraging stuff to be honest with you about the mental health. But then if there are no policies in place for actually happens. If a person comes in tells you that they're having that Brady struggling this this week this month than a person isn't going to want to come and tell you that all they're gonna feel like there's no point. So I think. In the in the first instance that the the kind of people skills involved. Probably some some people should have think about they might feel like they could. And they have some room for improvement, some new skills the land. And then I think HR teams need to what closely with their stuff. I think about the best ways that they can. Droff policies that are gonna make sure that the organization is putting its money where its mouth is as it were. So some great takeaways the importance of active listening and making sure that we pay attention to things and use that as the basis of honest safe conversations, and all of those, of course, will be topics and subjects which I suppose you could tell people more about and if they do want to find out more taps about mental health abouts wellness in the workplace paps about yoga to listen to your podcast. Where would you suggest they go for that? Well, full the and working in corporate environments in coming in and doing classes and things I would recommend my website, which is if you just Google learn guests, the you'll find that and the podcast move your head that's available on soundcloud and Choon in and Stitcher and Ye cheap. If you somebody who has. Mental health issues on his looking for ages two to hear other people's stories and fill like, you're less alone. And be looking for some kind of practical ways that you might be able to make changes just mood changes your day to day life than I would recommend put cost. Okay. That takes us almost right to the end of our conversation today. But those just time to ask you one more question. If you would to give just one piece of advice say just one thing to a professional who is trying to understand how to move build the disruption point how to understand the importance of workplace, well big of mental health and how to accommodate this to do something new and different. What would be the one thing you'd say to finance professional at needs take this topic to help them go beyond disruption. Take MRs to to anyone in a professional capacity is to stop equating any kind of mental health issue with failure all with weakness or with ineffectiveness. We are all humans. We all experience mental illness at some time in our lives. And absolutely is not a reflection on how intelligent you are. Or how capable you are if active anything I mean? Like, the the cleverest in and creative accomplished people in the world are often the ones that have the most unstable mental health because your expecting an awful lot of your brain all day every day. So I think that we need to really like this this kind of talk six cents of having to see on top of things all the time. And because that that isn't really what much is will. What is is that you are the best version of yourself that you can be in that you'll produce in your best work. And if if in order to do that, it means that you have to take care of yourself and taking care of yourself means being honest with the people around, and then that is going to benefit you, and your donation a hell of a lot more than just pretending that everything's ok who will have to leave. The thank you so much, Lauren Gaza. There is so much more to explore around this topic of workplace. Well. Being and mental health, and we'll make sure the show notes include links to all the resources that Lawrence. Just mentioned there were two other websites. We'd recommend for listeners interested in taking this further. If you're a member already if you're listening to this podcast, you might have come to us via the website or CG may. So then I would say you can depending on where you are in the world already. Look at those book box to find more resources about this topic. You can go to store dot com slash go beyond disruption or CG store dot com slash go beyond disruption. 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251: An Honest Take on GraphQL with Ankita Gupta
"Episode fifty one. Podcasts on your hosts sprinting Martin and Kita works as an engineer honest. She's working on transitioning honesty's monolith. To smaller services at honestly, she has worked on problems across various main such as AB testing payments event driven architecture, and graph you out in her free time, she is passionate about practicing yoga piano, but not at the same time. Of course, I recently met in kina Gupta at Rubicon Malaysia excited to have around the show to discuss graph. As a rail Sabella ver- welcomed the showing heater happy to be with me. Wonderful will in Kita. Let's kick it off by telling us your developer origin story. Okay. I'll that dates back a couple of actually many years ago when I was coating, you know, looking at my options cool coding with one of the options and just because everything else didn't seem very interesting. I opted for coating and overtime as I push Hewitt at interested. It seemed really like my natural close state at that time. And so when the time came to choose my university options, I chose computer science. I ended up doing my, you know, degree in computer science. And after that as I graduated I thought that I would go into coding opted so much. But at that point, I also felt like I want to know more about the problems out there, and you know, after having done a couple of internships, I decided that I wanna try something else. I completely dived out into a detour into strategy consulting. But I loved being an engineer so much that on the side in to my job. I also ended up studying a small nonprofit education technology company. And I realized that it was really hot doing two things at the same time. So I basically came back into flu time quoting with on his spe-. So you work in ruby on rails. So what drew you to the ruby community? So actually when I joined on spe-, the company had just started and the back in was in. You know, we had a a beta version of our website out, and it was already using ruby on rails. So I basically had no choice, but to to learn ruby on rails, and I really enjoyed learning ruby and after one year flooding it I I noticed that. There was a ruby conference coming up in Singapore. And because I'm not shooting intial good. So I decided to challenge myself by submitting a proposal as a speaker at the conference, and as the first time speaker, I realized that the audience was really receptive and encouraging. So I was quite inspired by that experience. And I decided to keep getting more involved in the community, and basically from there there has been no looking back. That's fantastic. And this is a common theme that we have across all the podcast listeners. If you wanna get out of your shell a little bit, please. Please please apply to conferences. I know. It has been a big game changer for me. I love speaking conferences. And it's just a really special moment in your career in order to do. So so, and yes, I cannot attest enough that the ruby community is just so welcoming and warm and they wanna hear your speak. They want to hear your voice. So you keep mentioning honesty, and I want to hear a little bit about a so tell us a bit about honesty, what is your mission there? And how big is the team? So we started out as an online, grocery concerts, Silvis. There are shoppers in DeVos, whom we also called a bee's will shop and deliver the orders that are received by our platform. But over the last couple of years, it has evolved into a platform that combines online and offline experiences to create a really unique experience for users mostly around food. This also means that our technology platform has evolved a lot to maintain the same pace as the business. So our team is actually pretty big. But I think about the global team size which is over to about one thousand two hundred people, but the engineering team is still quite lean a with less than hundred people. So what did the decision to introduce graph you all to on a speed stack occur? So just like a mentioned right now are. Business award so significantly that are this also kept involving with that. And as we started becoming from just a groceries delivery company to a concierge platform for food groceries and even a whole bunch of offline retail experiences. We also started seeing a lot of different use cases, come up. So are kind started having whereas APR requirements and acquired a whole bunch of different responses from say the same resource if you're talking about arrest context, and at one point we were using a whole bunch of specific serialize IRS. So as back into engineer who is working on this system widing new API decline. You would really be thinking hot about how you should views a senior or should you be creating a new series of your own and to top it up. We would also get very frequent requests from clients to add extra fees to the API response, which just ended up causing a whole bunch of. Delays in releasing simple features. Sometimes so this was one part of the problem. But as he starts killing and the number of users on a platform crew. We started seeing, you know, certain issues are so performance was severely drained. And in some cases, we found that it was because AP I was returning response of where it was giving a bunch of fields. But some of these fields won't even use by Klein's. And so the response was unnecesarily huge. Or there was a lot of time that was being spent interior Lisin. So why you can think of this as Lapa mistakes that didn't get caught two reviews, but we found that this was getting really really difficult to maintain overtime. And so that's when we started looking at graph, q as a way to speed up development for clients and also to make our base a bit woman table such that it's not prone to these kinds of errors where you all of a sudden introduce a huge performance drain through one of your is because. If you weren't careful in looking at how you are using utilizes, and that's kind of where our joint even graph, Hugh and also began. That makes sense. So when deciding to implement craft well into the stack, I know you mentioned that you had clients requesting different API responses. They wanted extra fields is that internally that from the micro services that are requesting within the application or is that actually from third parties outside of honesty. So these are actually are into science of oftentimes are consumer app. So it could be our web application or could be are you native Android applications that were asking all of these different responses, and I was simply because. We had a whole bunch of needs that we wanted to fulfill with new would it goes coming up on a platform, and to these clients were just trying to ask for certain small Asians in Batticalo resource that they had been asking for previously. Interesting. Okay. So there's often a misnomer that graft wells only for reacted Java scrip- developers, but you're successfully using it in a ruby stack. How do you feel about graph Q L tooling that available for the ruby on rails community? So we found that the tooling for setting up graph. You'll and getting Woking API is really good. So there's a graph q plein. There's a whole bunch of libraries around that that make it very easy as deadlock to Woking environment and get it up running fuss. We also have created repository on a speed to talk a little bit about how you test cure API's or how you even write basic API's where we did struggle. Little bit was more domes of the real issues that you face when you do something like this introduction so shop if I'd have drafted bashing. That's where again once again, the community has, you know, been pretty ahead and has introduced these tools, which nationally indigo. Kate that there are people taking scaling issues, but for us as we started implementing some of these tools, we found that the documentation sometimes wasn't sufficient, and in some cases certain cases that way experiencing like rod common case that other companies would face. Well, very, oh, Apia and points doing pretty complicated. Query is not just a simple query. And we found that they won't enough people documenting their experiences on woke for these situations. So this was kind of interesting for us because this is very ended up exploring some of our two nations and coming up without one woke around. Interesting. So you noted in your talk that graph well, while it certainly trending upwards popularity might not always be the right solution key also bit more about that. All right. So I think plus you have to ask yourself as oppose. It was making the decision to use kilo not. If you're already feeling some of the points with rest, just like I mentioned we had a whole bunch and befell that graph q would speed up clients, and that was something that could even justify from business back point. So that is really the first question. Whether there's there's a need for this, right, and graph. You'll is by no means a bullet. It's really an alternative to rest. So if you're onto yes to that question. Then the next thing you want to know is that Dracula does have its own set of challenges. And for example, you will find that resin points response always follows fixed format. So we have performance optimization with arrests and points, very different way to give you an example in rails controller when you think about optimizing Apia, and pointedly think of your database query. And making sure that those queries are extremely optimized. And then you also think about your relies those you make sure that you're doing the right thing. And if you need caching, you have the right amount of cashing in place, but with draft Q out the response for matches completely with request and every request to the same end point has a very different expectation of the response. So we put a completely different hat for performance optimization. And while there are two like I mentioned shop if I'd have library. But you know, because there's a learning cove it acquires someone time to change your entire perspective towards how you wanna make your end points. Production ready yet if you wanna say that. So I think besides want done setting up graft, you'll advocation, and we did have a basic working worship fit. We set aside specifically sometime to just look into performance before we could introduce it into production. And that means that when you are making this decision. You wanna ask yourself are you working on a project where timelines extremely important, and maybe you don't have that kind of time to research into some of these things some of the other stuff that you know, we have to think about is audio engineers and your team even in the client site. So if you have Android and ios apps are they believed to put in the effort, and do they have time to go through loaning of introducing graph cure inside the code base. Now, if if the answer to these questions is also, yes, then I guess, you know, that's where you can probably make decision there's other factors as well. And I think it eventually boils down to time. Especially if you're preventing this for the first time in your projects, how long did it take for speed implement graph. Well, so I'm assuming that you completely redid your SAP I to graph you all did you run both alongside each other for a while? How long did that whole process take actually that's really interesting question? And this is where we had a Lou opportunity because we were transitioning sort of big Associes, I wouldn't sit haunted by it was definitely a pretty big Silva's into smaller services. And so because we will moving to these smaller services, we kind of had that little window where we said that. Hey, what would we do differently in our smaller services? Even though our big issues rests. We had a whole new like, you know, we have we basically had all the time to look into graph Q out for the smaller ones. And I've been that we introduced graph Curiel into these services and these were dot citing out receiving much less traffic than mean service. So I think. That also gave us like more ability to experiment with things. And then things went wrong. We were able to learn from a little bit from production traffic as well. Unfortunately, that's good. So as you mentioned there, there's a lot of considerations that you need to make with Raphael, especially when comparing it with rest, and one of the difficulties is to maintain server side cache just because you have so many clients they're feeding from that data with Russ it's easy to catch the data for each point since as you noted the structure of the data will not change. So how is honesty handling caching four graph? You'll so when you look at cashing cashing could be though across requests or within the same request, right and looking deeper draft requests, they're different from rest in that. The endpoint is always seem, but the API parameters are actually very descriptive of what they're asking for. And this is where you can look at the entire request and you can identify. You can you can use the requests plastic parameters to cashier your request in response. So that subsequent requests that come in. And that asked exactly the same parameters can receive the response from the cash, so that's why you have your, you know, cashing across the quest. We also do caching within the same request, especially for the database crazies, and once again be used to you know, the parameters and we have a bunch. We haven't Lehrer we haven't obstruction boot override database, and these this attraction is nothing, but a service layer which helps us data from database, and so we look at this particular extraction led to do caching for database queries. So this is very within the same request. If we find that you are looking for the same database records, then we solve it from the cash response. So actually, I would say that again, if you're willing to spend that kind of time then yes cashing is something. That can be implemented with draft cure, though. So if you were starting a new application in news that you were gonna have many consumers of your PI. Would you choose graph UL? I would definitely asked myself if I'm if my obligation is serving external clients, our internal clients because I think when you start having external clients, there, are some factors that you want to pay more attention to so for instance, credit white listing is this whole idea where you want to be very that your clients can ask you for extremely huge queries and the credit response can be extremely rating for civil performance, and with your internal clients, even though you would want these measures in place, but you can still be alluded more complacent. I guess in in not expecting extremely huge queries or malicious queries, at least when you have external lines. You definitely wanna take into a communist queries. You wanna spend more time with Smith's Odin aspect of graft queue? So I would say that for us in honesty, most of our clients are into clients, and you know, right now, we have definitely once we've gotten. That learning of picking Raphael vote on suicide and client side, we feel quite comfortable. Introducing it to a new applications votes. So I would definitely make that decision again. But it's totally dependent on your context and on your business requirements. I guess. So any last tips about graph? You all that you would like to share with our listeners. We have a lot of listeners have definitely heard about graph. You all heard about its popularity heard about, of course from you and from others about its limitation. And so I'm sure they're definitely interested in trying it out. So any any tips that you could give your past self about graph you up. So I think for us. It was quite to the reason we were able to introduce craft kill in our stock was because it was a new service. So it was fairly a less risky and the also had a bit of time before we had to release us into production. So one thing that we did was that we allocated one person of team to really look into this in depth analyze what kind of project structure should be follow. What kind of concerns should we have? And you know, this really helped us go away deep, and then basically at the end of this whole experience, we also had developed some kind of in house expert. Season. This informed with just one person who then really helped in spreading this knowledge across the team. So that made the learning for the rest of the members lot easier because I felt that initially started draft cure me start looking at these new Apia end points a lot of looked slightly alien to the two to us and having this one in nineteen who knew so well about what he was doing. And how he admits sodium decisions and documented them really help the team catch up quite quickly. So that was something that helped us, maybe that's something. You would wanna try vote. I really liked that idea of having an internal graph UL advocate of someone who is your point person of probably staying on top of the latest news, just because graphs wells moving so much. I really liked that advice on definitely wanted to be someone who's motivating themselves in order to be on top of everything and Kita. How can our listeners follow you? So you could either follow me on Twitter. My Twitter handle his gazoo be and you could. Also, follow me on get up on kiva Gupta. Twelve. Excellent will have that all linked up in the show notes. Thank you so much for joining me on the show today. Keita as always if you have any feedback please reach out to me on Twitter will catch you next week. Thanks so much Britney. It was an absolute pleasure.
25 Aug 2020 | Tesla Battery Day Could Feature Mysterious Nanowire Tech
"Coming up on show eight, seventy, five, Tesla's battery day could feature the mysterious wire technology on is it we'll find out. Plus Cow McLaren plans to go hybrid electro mechanica finally, shipping the SOLO EV and why the test model three Franck getting bigger. Could mean a heat pump is on the way just like big cousin car model wine well, good morning, good afternoon or evening wherever you're listening in the world. Welcome to even use the addition to what happened on Tuesday twenty fifth August. My name is Martin Lee and like I through every story. So you don't have to big event happening right now pike's peak is on there three electric Tesla's climbing pikes peak in a couple of twitter accounts that I recommend that you follow. If you're interested, one of them is the official account of unplugged Tesla unplugged performance putting the together otherwise my buddy call connor who runs aspect motoring both putting up some pretty good tweets about Pike's peak call saying that. He was watching some late night finishing touches being put to the electric performance model three running up pikes peak first thing in the morning and unplugged performance have been tweeting to say Randy said that the Tesla is the best guy he's ever driven in his six pike's peak racists they finished first place in qualifying and twenty six seconds faster. The second fastest car you can see some great videos interviews with Rodney propsed as well, and so check out those links if you're interested in electric cars going very very quickly up pikes peak and other car brand that makes very quick. 'cause McLaren McLaren's revealed a brand new platform will provide the basis for the new generation of electrified supercars wasn't so long ago. When you said to McLaren about making electrified soup because it was along the lines of no no, no, no no no batteries aren't going to work. Fast, water a little bit Oh. We have any platform and there's batteries I told you at the time all supercar slash hyper carmakers half doing embrace battery power because it's so much better than combustion foul you know and I know it well, then you platform is essentially a knee lights a carbon fiber based platform. With hybrid powertrains in mind fully electric but probably plugging actually and just varying amounts of batteries but batteries a heavy for High Picasso but McLaren. Have Plan They'll probably be using some turbine powered engines a downsized which. Saves Weight. But of course, they have to add batteries now according to come magazine which I was reading they say McLaren hasn't announced what the hybrid platform will make its debut on but we do the team in woking are working on the high hybrid cows. Now, the spy photographers pecan magazine snapped pictures of a hybrid seventy, two s a mule car last year also exclusive pictures of the all new sports series McLaren testing once again had a hybrid badge on you could see with all the camouflage on the cows as well and they were for for many years Ferrari said, we'll never had batteries and now look. So I know there was a change of management at Ferrari, but but still. You got to add batteries to make these supercars go. As quick as the all electric supercars that are that are coming out now, Papa link in the show notes if you'd like to read more. So. Electromechanical next in the news today and this headline says that the ending an old station period of the Solo evey better late than never is the headline. The statement they say for us going on with the Canadian Sustainable Mobility Company. MECHANICA after a long preparation to produce their single seater three Huila it's got two wheels at front and a single wail at the back. So now you can picture it when I say three Huila Solo even now according to auto delusion the electron Mechanica Solo we've has a fully enclosed concept. Like a COBB, but just on on three wheels and a single seater as well and the purpose built. All Electric Three wheeled vehicle is for the modern urban environment. Say Manufacturers developed for a range of more than one hundred miles top speed of eighteen miles an hour. Now, these are gonNA. Be Popular in places like California La magazine I was reading today online. They have an interesting take on linking the Solo, which is a obviously as the name suggests a single occupant vehicle with the pandemic, the makers of the single seats old electric. Evey. Saying, that actually doubling down on the message that driving alone is the ultimate social distancing. The hoping the people who embrace an eco-friendly mode of transportation both during and after the pandemic it just so happens that it's the perfect vehicle for covid even though it wasn't designed for the purpose says Paul, Rivera, he's the CEO of Electronica and with a vehicle that drives like a car with doors opens on both sides air conditioning backup cameras, robots, seatbelts. Eighty mile an hour spades like I. Say I'm not sure. I. Would because it doesn't have to go through the same kind of strict crash safety testing as vehicles with four wheels. Some short be hitting the the freeway eighty miles an hour but we go I think it's this whole linking it to the pandemic is I. Don't know. What we need more is more sensible mobility in big cities. What we don't need is more people buying cars just to sit in on their own we do need better mass transit and we need to do that in a post world somehow so I think it's a little bit cheeky to be saying Oh. There's a pandemic everyone by their own car. Maybe the answer in some places is less car ownership and more cycling or walking well like I say, other forms of mass transit well, I'll let you make your mind up about that because it's not an easy. There's not one answer to that problem but El Papa linked to both of those stories in the show notes if you'd like to read more. Well Tesla's battery day is amping up with Nanno Wyatt Technology lead story over podcast today. On Earth is no no wire technology. Let's try and explain it in about ninety seconds that I give each story on this podcast, which is in theory often waffle on that a little bit longer. Well, Tesla announced the upcoming Backstreet Day on the twenty second of September and the annual shareholders meeting speculation is now just off the charts on social media about what we're going to see on those days Tesla chose a very interesting background image for the announcement. Now, if you want to go along to that, you have to be a tesla shareholder. And everybody gets to go because their social distancing much fewer numbers they're holding a raffle. So if you are able to prove that you own a bit of the company, you can get into the raffle to get your tickets. So the invite well the invite but the image that was used for the announcement of this has a very interesting background. If you enlarge the background enhance the contrast through. Google, images kind of thing You can see the it looks like is hinting towards Battery Chemistry Nano wise in other words according to the website Tasmanian. Now there is new information that points possible collaboration between Tesla, and a company called Empress Technologies I'm manufacturers and distributes batteries, and there are indeed all of their research development is dedicated to the solar. Sorry to the silicon. Ano- D-. The very specifically focused on a Nano Wire Ano- D- at end of June. Tesla applied to redevelop to of. Buildings. Cato Road and page Nikita road is going to be used to host additional production and Orrin d supporting project road runner, which is what we're talking about including a portion of cathode, electrode manufacturing. And the final process step in battery cell manufacturing. Now, where does this new company? I told you about not new but the first time you probably heard the word empress as a company. Well, they just moved their building. And they moved next? DOOR TO TESLA and I wonder why they did that. Well, there's more than just twitter conspiracy theory going on here according to Tesla royalty. Am Prius notes that they are working on these Silicon Naniwa for the battery Anos and what they do is dramatically improve the battery white and the density. So two key things when it comes to batteries the along with cost. And efficiency battery white is already big thing and energy density as well. Now, the company's website knows that silicon generally has about ten times the capacity of graphite carbon, but it has a big drawback in the way that it swells when he's charged causing the silicon fracture. Now to address this empress uses silicon. Wise which keeps the silicon from fracturing and breaking apart. Even when it is swollen, I'll put links to these stories in the show notes, it could be into equals five but how interesting that a company that specializes in this particular technology which Tesla used as an image on their announcement today? Literally just moved there building onto page, which is the road were Tesla and it's opposite Cato road-building as well. Could just be a big conspiracy theory. It seems like there's something in this story. Say It's absolutely rife online right now looking to find out. More. Details Tesla becoming their very own cell manufacturer in their own rights I've seen I've seen before I move on. I've seen a few articles over the last few days couple of weeks maybe be sometimes. Price sometimes mainstream press talking about battery talking about Tesla. Talking about them becoming their own cell manufacturer and talking about. What it means for other companies that want to buy those cells and I've seen nobody put forward. View, which is my point of view in a million years. Tesla will not sell this technology to anyone no matter how much along goes on twitter like he did recently and says, Hey, open to working with loads anybody else somebody asked him all with Tesla, supply sales to another company. Yeah. We we always want to like us the mission want to get everyone driving ev that's mission statement. There is not a chance that anybody else's using this technology. Why would they when Tesla Tesla are so restricted on battery technology at the moment like they can't make a roadster because they haven't gone off batteries to come the semi because they haven't enough batteries. The cyber truck forward because they haven't enough batteries every single cell vacant make will be used in that cars and in their storage, and in fact that the more established technology chemistries will more likely be used in things like the home battery storage and then and actually some of the. Some of the most stable chemistries as well. The like the Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries that are being used in the standard range plus model three in China three pl but the the cutting edge technology that's where you'll sit in the vehicles that Tesla needs to get that. Either performance or other benefits from there is no way they're going to sell them to another company because that next car company pick anyone then has to then. I Denmark up and said it onto the final. It doesn't make any sense. It's all nobody's saying look ridiculous. I could just be me many things are all right. Let's move on one of the critical differences between the Model Y in the model three is the model wise. The first car from Tesla to have a heat pump, and that's because Ovo again, if you being lazy I've seen these articles written basically, the model y is a slightly bigger model three, seventy, five percent of its parts nonsense because the whole front end of the model wise different for start to the model story emanate look might look the same but internally, totally different and so. We think that's changing with the model three making room for the heat pump, which is in the model y and the whole valve that controls all of the heating and cooling. OCTO OCTO pump or oxo valve somebody named it. Anyway. The model three doesn't have it at the moment and according to Jamaica new model three has been delivered to customer in Canada and the front trunk. The funk is redesigned according to the drive Tesla candidate forums by roadshow. They've now been speculating that this could mean because it's been brought forward and made extra room behind it nothing behind this one but that's just making room for when they put the heat pump into the three. More energy from the battery can then go to range rather than heating up the battery and heating up the car. While the effect on the cost performance is pretty negligible. That's the more heat pumps a doing the tree benefit of a heat pump on an ev is most evident when the temperatures. Kula and you know spending energy heating up the battery and the cabinet as well. All right. Let's talk ID three Volkswagen, ID three has set its new range record, the electric car covered of five hundred, thirty, one kilometers, Vatsa three, hundred, twenty, nine miles, and it wasn't even with the big east battery car either it went from his jury Speeco to shelf housing in Switzerland. On one single charge officially, the model has a range of four hundred and twenty case but this did five, hundred, thirty one. That's more than one hundred kilometers extra twenty, six percent increase on wwl TV ranges the vehicle walls a road ready production ready series production ide- three first edition, but it's got the middle battery fifty, eight kilowatt hour battery. The route they drove from Switzerland was entirely on public roads and highways they pass through normal cities. They drove it normally the person to drive it though walls chuckled Felix, who is a well-known Hyper Pamela native of Switzerland. A high tailing is where people drive cars for conservatively so that I'm do crazy fast speeds that often. Drive a certain way either talking in behind vickers to get extra range of cost and so I don't know how slow this journey was. It doesn't say how quickly he did it but I mean hopefully didn't do the whole thing driving twenty miles an hour, but still a very, very cool. Thank you for Ford at four. Volkswagen. Popular on that press today I'll pop link in the show notes to their press office if you'd like to see. They released today. Well, GPS plan to electrify their lineup by twenty twenty two is well underway in July. The brand revealed the renegade and compass. On pay on the on the paper, their their cars accord four xe's actually if you think about. Normally. A before for we would say out loud four by four. So I think I have to say loud full by which is terrible. Truly terrible. So I can I call it for XC which just sounds cool right. The renegade encompass four plugging hybrids it coming soon, they're going to be joined by the wrangler folksy we heard about GPS electrified boxy off a back in January now get more information because today they revealed the wrangler forex. Reluctantly called it the full by. Is Out in December according to motor one dot com, GP's uses a turbocharged one point three to four liter four cylinder engine to. Power, the other plug in hybrids butts rumors persist that in the wrangler be using a three point, six Liter v six along, we'll be electric governs I'll. One in the show no two more. So. Any excuse to stay in the pub just a little bit long. Maybe you go for Sunday lunch they ask would you like to see the dessert menu? Well, you know if my car was busy charging for free outside. Go on. I'll see what you got brewery and Pub Company Green King is installing charging points reveals across all of that suitable pubs in the UK. As the deadline approaches for the ban of petrol and diesel cars here says the Independent newspaper. The company has a portfolio of two, thousand, seven hundred managed intended pubs. The phase one though is going to be nine hundred premises by the end of the year. The company has an agreement with raw charging and drive energy. I've heard of neither of those companies and that's embarrassing because I presume that UK companies and that's where I am. I'm pretty deep into. I've heard of neither but I'll be digging and research and find out more about them and they're the ones putting in the charging points. The first one was installed for customers earlier this month the churchhill pub. In, royal, Wooden Bassett. My. My local one, my green King Nazi faraway look forward to seeing what kind of charges they put into doing any discounting. Maybe it's free, maybe you'll have to pay. But Hey, if you're inside the problem, a cold winter's Day in the car is busy challenging wall staife just just a half rights obviously I I would have a designated driver, Aka Mrs Lee I would never drink and drive. Ford has started construction on a new factory to build the upcoming electric F one, fifty pickup truck next to its current pickup factory and Dibble in Michigan says electric website Ford says. A million f-series. pick-up sharks last year. Yes. It's a bigger. Ford sold more f-series, pick-up trucks than most other companies. Sell. All of their vehicles combined about forty, two, billion in revenue. Well, four has a plan to bring an all electric F one, fifty to mock it but little is known about it according to Bloomberg Ford is going to temporarily shut his factory in Michigan. Next month to install machinery for the new F, one fifty which does go on sale next year and construct a whole new facility adjacent to Dearborn. To build their electric F one fifty according to people familiar with the project prototype production is going to start next year on sale two, thousand, twenty, two, according to internal plans, Alpa public to the story in the show notes, and that's your show today. Hope you enjoyed it. Keep your comments coming on Youtube. We put the Audio, no pictures audio on Youtube and I'd love to reach. In there or you can email me. Hello eating you style dot com. There are a hundred eighteen note eight hundred seventy four previous episodes of this podcast in your archive. 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"From eleven f s I'm Simon Taylor in this is fantastic. Today. We bring you the FCA's major overhaul of overdrafts the finale for Finn and banking, and Vic max in Russia. All this more on today's show. Welcome to episode three three one out fintech inside. We are coming to you. Life from the eleven h q in London town, which is not very sunny right now. I'm Simon tone, I'm joined by my colleague and jobs to be done expert. Brennan chung. How's it going? Brandon doing various must be going on a lots been going on procurement lines happening. That's always fun you living in procurement, laundry. Now is a great place to be. Dreaming, ain't no party like a procurement product, and we're not alone. We are joined by some incredible guests making then you show debut. We have Laura Quinn, who is the C E O of sustainably. How you doing great? How are you? Really? Well, thank you better than the weather in London. Quite bad sad, stated to trophies this is June. Apparently, yeah, this is the summer by the time. This comes out on Monday apparently close up. So you remember when it was crappy on Thursday, adequate Scotla Dell who is head of channel, and digital at see why how you doing. Scott will indeed thanks for joining us. I welcome to the show. Great heavy with this. Let's get started and the first story. We all the news Brunton, so story. We've covered our own blog post wine off eleven of us dot com. This was picked up by by number of places building the banking platform of the future, with eleven foundry Denby, who is no way. No ways also now way. But no way largest financial services group will be extending its investment. Into eleven of us foundry and is committed to building new services on the platform with an initial focus on loans. Eleven of foundry offers a modular ledger, first set of components, that deliver secure digitally native propositions to scale and speed and the quote, here is, of course, from the group executive for new business at DNB Russ who says development teams have actually worked really closely together in the past six months and based on a successful proof of concept. When are ready to move to the next milestone, and the beginning of the stage of implementation implementing foundry in DNB systems will give as valuable insight and bathroom to standing, how we can use this technology going forward more. All right, Brandon you. Do you have any questions on this one? Well, I think what's been really interesting as we did this through a partnership and not a pure investment play with a lot of backing. So I guess my question for you is how has that influenced the way thoughts the products developed in terms of the roadmap in terms of the clock ration-, and the dynamics with Debbie I think restless, really, really cold this. So big shutout to Mawson intrigue at Dan, be who leader you and author, Tom j goes will tell you that we then not kidding. When they say we worked together, I mean, this is a daily stunned up. This is being in the office for weeks on end literally working in the same place, sitting next to each other, looking at lines of code, looking at products, dealing with sprints, and backlogs, and actually Woking hundred hand together, which kind of breaks the traditional, like a lot of people talk game about partnerships. But when mutual invested for the same outcome. So I think that's been really different that they were investing in a platform that could become better future. Hopefully so yeah, it's, it's a little. Different and also starting with a proof of concept and then getting beyond. It is up to huge sorting small initiative approach that we always preach about. Right. So I don't know if there's any observations laurel Scott that you have on this from the outside looking in having words in partnering with banks. And so I think it's really interesting, the partnership model and I'm off to level thirty nine two day time to exactly some of these types of deals. But I think this is going to be more and more common. We'll see in tex- Claburn tangles with bigger banks in tex- collaborating with each other companies in different sectors, collaborate. Hang on different projects and actually, making those investments. So yesterday, has part of London tech week, I was at the innovation festival, which was focused on large business as partnering with startups, and it's really key can of the process, how to shore that process, who violates in everyone's best interest to make this happen, because we're going to have a mazing products and services at the end of that, that we couldn't. On our room. So I think it's really critical. And I really good thing, the thing I love the story. Is it kind of reinforces something that I'm very keen on naturally sailing, the power of a platform? The something we do all the time. You know, we, we have a platform Kintu foundry and away in terms of the way that we delivered digital in the Bank is, is very much the same thing. It's based on a set of underlying Micra sees and very much platform of you. I think all these stories helped reinforce why. That's really the future of highway to do these things. Right. Because, you know. Whoa. Most companies financial services companies looking for is differentiation differentiation comes Navision but innovation at scale and piece in banking in vitamins difficult because they're risky things in plea. And when your services are tightly, coupled, it is extremely hard to, to move quickly, because you don't know if I push down on one service over here, we'll these fifteen no, the ones in the corner with the be a domino effect. Do. The design patterns always to try and keep them separate as you can. So what, what you're trying to get to is, is, when you have a service that does payment or transfer, you turn up to build wherever channel apps, you want on top of that, you can rely on that doing that thing, which means that you can move at peace in the upper layers of the architecture, knowing that, the lured ones are going to do what they expect to do. This is MacKenzie for a long time. Been talking about LEGO breaks vastly over simplifying, this concept. But I'm truly true. Mike services architectures have number of benefits, like avoiding supply, lock-in and not being relying on vendor roadmaps if, if you are truly partnering and you want to stand how all of the Mike services have being accepted right down to the general ledger. An overlay backup the stock then you're in a completely different position to being control of your own destiny. Yeah. Nothing. We interview with one of the chief officers of a large Bank a week ago. And he said that, when you work for large organization that has any amount of history, legacy, technol-. Naturally constrain, it's I want to do this, but to do this, I need to go back to the system that might be ten years old and a mainframe. And when you get a budget, a lot of that budget goes to making compromises, which is because of the system, I can't deliver to exactly what the customer wants and there for the comprehend pumping is I make as on the customer experience. Whereas when you have a platform lake the when you describe Scott, it's about compromising adorned with this feature out now or later versus compromising on, do I deliver the right experience for the customer at the end of the day better place to be. I'm Selena we've been able to last couple of years to really transform all of our channels at pay simply because of the existence of the platform that, that's the thing that's in abled to happen. And that's clearly what we get into with, with this kind of deal. Right. People will see that when the, the implement the platform will they be able to do on top of that will be much, much quicker of the Bill to do a lot more features at pace, but also the quality of the okposo will be much much higher. Right. You don't have to go into that can escapee face software, generally doesn't like being you. You know what, what you get is that the new is only at the screen really, you know, you get the benefit of the aged platform that you can lie on. And that that's really important when you're trying to really really move these things quickly. Well, it's interesting is increasingly I've seen a lot of headlines about moving to the cloud migrating, existing technology stocks into the cloud, which is sort of taking the shopping basket, I had from the nineteen fifties and putting it online, rather van having today shopping basket online and buying different types of products and services and increasingly we have seen I think that the cloud vendors tooling, using containerization using things like kaffa orchestrations, all of these this tooling has matured in less sort of five years where five years ago, cloud Walzer cost save instead of Tra Leising. I stuck stuff in the cloud. Now, does actually new way of architecture things. Things that allow you to have thirty versions of your mainframe running thirty versions of your payment system running hundreds of ocean. So that you've got a massive fail over in a way that you wouldn't and massively more resilience in a way that would have been harder to do in the past. It's just a different model but one that maybe we'll see a trend. Here's hoping all right, next story, the FCA have done a major shake-up of overdrafts. This comes from the BBC news and Bank, and banks and building societies will no longer be allowed to charge fixed daily all monthly fees for overdraft. In addition, there will be no longer be higher fees for unplanned overdrafts rather than arrange ones, the financial conduct authority at the new rules would stop by April twenty twenty and it's calling this the biggest rule overhaul for generation. So it will mean no difference between a ranged and una range prices, but no cap on Costea. An end to monthly daily fees are requirement for banks to advertise overdraft rate as a single interest rate on newly APR and banks will still be able to refuse to make a payment. If a customer does not have the funds to cover, but any resulting fee for the customer must reflect the cost to the Bank, pretty interesting stuff. So do you have any thoughts on this one? I'll start with you. I kind of think that the way it's worded indicates that the banks might not lose out here. Not hundred percent. Sure of that, but I think if it's all around financial inclusion, and kind of making it easier for those that are experienced experiencing financial difficulty to not have all these charges imposed on them where there may be a can of unintended. Fi than that's great. But if it's kind of just another way of wording the same thing to kind of incur additional fees. I'm not one hundred percent. Sure Chiro find out as I haven't overdraft here. It's, it's the hidden fee. Yes. Murad open feeling that the unabridged overdraft habit hidden fees for. And then the way it was priced consumers didn't always understand. So I get why the pushing for consistency and that makes sense, but the default to showing a customer in AP. All I don't know. That that's the best outcome for customers customers. Don't understand peels and percentages. I'm over generalizing Brendan from all research from research that you'll have done. I'm sure as well. Sco customers won't things in pounds and Pence, and they wanna feel like they can understand it. So real double edged sword this one. Yeah. If you're shown, eight APR indifferent pros across different banks. What's that mean? For the customer would action can, then the customer take. So if, if I put myself in a position of customers, I'm running out of money. I need some overdraft then how easy is it from to go around from Benton? Shop for the best overdraft freight. And then how easy for me to switch to another Bank overdraft with other back. So I think it's the step in the right direction by removing these these hidden costs. But I think it's still a baby step to me in a way, there's I think there's a really interesting, quote there, which says banks must do more to identified help customers who are showing signs of financial strain, or in financial difficulty. So I think that's where it's going to get really interesting. How do we encourage financial health and becomes a question of that? How does that compete directly against the banks model of overdraft and loans? And how did you end sustainably healthly for the customer, I think definitely support the season tation to make some Putin easy to understand that that's got to be good thing for everyone, but you're right. It's much more. I spend my time wanting. Vote the costume expedients on features into the absence. And our China's the help avoid these situations, you know, why are APs go projections that you, you know it's, it's about before warned it's a beat informed, the in where you're going, you know, putting balance elapse been able to control when you get those layers that by giving them those sorts of tools. You actually you're acting to avoid the situation where you get any overdraft fees a toll really, you know, that's we're certainly in the work. I do the bike all of our for, I think that, you know, if we can, you know, and in fortunate circumstance, where someone does have to pay these overdraft to weaking, if we can make that simpler, make that less feel less of a surprise, then that's a good thing. I suspect, though, to laurels point the, the amount of revenue banks generating will not go down. It will just move so some fee. Somebody else will pay for somebody else, not paying, if that makes sense because they over the hidden fees. Could be all queued to been something that particularly prejudiced people who were not financially savvy, and the provision of tools to help people who are not financially. Savvy is, is one good way to ensure that, that's not the case. But the FCC as taken the other approach, which is to just kind of normalize how the fees would which kind of make sense and look overdrafts a big problem about nineteen million people using ranged overdraft, every own about full teen million people in the UK use an unabridged overdraft at about seven point three million people used both in a given year foams made about two point four billion pounds in revenue from overdressed in two thousand seventeen that's a major revenue line even split across all of the major banks in the UK. I don't think they're gonna wanna lose two point full. So does it does it go from being like arranged overdress right now on actually bought of a deal? Do they get worse to pay for the fact that una ranged overdraft song covering that gap anymore? Yeah. I think just going back to Scott point. It's how do you pump them project? An understand that you're out. So you might hinder overdraft limit or you might help hit the need to overdraft anything, those services where you build a customer relationship and build the brand equity brand loyalty with the customer. But then equally when they hit the point of they need overdraft. How do you communicate that in a way that's the most human in Christmas human experience because at that point, probably going through a lot of anxiety. I'm especially if they're recurring overdraft users that way. And I think it's building confidence for people and seeing yourself, increasing the financial wellness platform. We're seeing this a lot in, in the fintech space where you're the micro savings apps are absolutely loved by customers because they get you addicted to saving and they give you the dopamine of you saved a little bit more. And it's, it's not confidence building type of behaviors that can be good. And once you all moving and changing the level of cost on the back end, if you can radically transform your, your cost site than the amount of revenue, you need to make to be profitable. Comes comes down a little bit so you can afford to be more profitable without having the same business practices. So here's hoping that this is a good thing for customers long term. But I am genuinely little bit concerned that this will just move move the money around rather than solve the underlying problem. All right. Next story is the death of Finn story comes from Bloomberg JP Morgan have closed Finn that digital only buying just a year after it launched. So the Japan decided it's consumer unit was actually better equipped to meet the younger customers needs under the chase brand after finding that millennial customers don't necessarily want a separate digital experience. Interesting client stated, I think monzo revoluton twenty six might disagree with you anyway, client states getting notifications that their accounts will be closed and funds will be transferred to chase checking and savings accounts, Finn, which they started offering nationally June featured a digital as well as some access to a network. Branches as part of the switch customers, we'll have to download chases mobile app to receive a new debit code, but account numbers, one change to be very own oracle, Sarah, a chance ki predicted this back in July of last year, and it was on Forbes and the title of the article was wife in by chase won't spark a banking revolution. So not the not the Sarah can predict the future, but Sarah predicted the future here. This common theme. We're going to see some of these fintech initiatives shutdown more, and more. You know, we're not seeing the numbers. What, what are we think's going on here? Any thoughts? It feels to me that it didn't make different enough. You know, the in some ways, they probably cannibalize themselves because there was there was an existing pro position there. And the people were very aware of, and then they just can stop with that, because there wasn't enough reason to move and some ways going biter, discussion around platforms a lot that comes from probably they were probably drafted to the same back, and we will be the trick really wasn't just to create a different brand on top of the same account that was to add features and that's why be has all the PFM stuff in it, 'cause it was, it was a stat change from what was the class Bank accounts over the past. There was facially different to, to actually have a place in the market very separate from what you had already. My feeling with says they didn't make different enough and that's probably a low because maybe they didn't think weld enough pro positionally, but maybe they were also live. Limited by what the back in could do for them. Possibly both. Right. And so if you haven't seen fin by chase we have videos of on our eleven of pulse platform. And, and what surprised me was really? You could you could do things like you had your list of transactions, and you could write your transaction, whether it made you happier side with emoji on, like why. What, what? Why? Because my job is actually soul sold. What problem did it? So I think so there was that question. And they won't get in customer acquisition. And you can usually tell you've solved the customer problem when you start getting customer, acquisition and is often the little things that really matter that the back end Nabil's you to do you're saying, scoff, one of the reasons, people love challenger buying so much is that instant notification. As soon as you made a payment because it builds confidence it works. It went through okay? You're buying something online that little notification on your phone that says, boom, it's come through your fine dot mounts of money has gone to that much. And suddenly, all of that. Diety disappears. And I think people see things as a will, I need an app as a channel and it needs to show the transaction list, they don't get the difference small tiny seemingly tiny features can have a massive impact on customer experience. Knobs Lutely anything just to Bill and both your points. I didn't feel like fin had a purpose when or clear mission attached to it. Right. Felt very much like chimes happening like alleys happening movements happening simples happening, therefore, we create something else as well. And there was a very clear valley position. So there was there wasn't clear beach for me. I think the way that Brandon was familiar news anything, that's a very, it feels like some Veith thoughts up with millennials on taking out enough new Bank counts. What do we do? We should do it out. Okay, what does it have? It has a mo- g millennials like mood, exactly exactly anything fintech is, I don't think should be heavily correlated with millennials because I was recently in Portugal. And when I was doing some wine tasting a couple in the mid fifties. The monster caught in sort of chatting, oh use monzo, like how did you get into like, oh, my, my son recommended to me, but I was okay so why do you use it? It's because I retire now and I wanna make sure that when trips overspending on each trip because I want strips per year. So I think as long as you solve a customer job, it's not about which age target, and I think you should start with the age group, because as always the wrong answer, my opinion, I think the customer expectation is so high now that you can't really go into market with a product that doesn't have that real mission and vision anymore. You have to have that really amazing customer experience and, and grab customers love in a way that monzo, revolu can have captured that otherwise you just can't you simply can't compete, it didn't used to be requirement that you loved the product. It used to be enough that it had an how. How did payments like what more does need to do? That's what banking product does. And now now you gotta have customers love you because there's competitive bid around the absolute evangelical zeal from the because you can get like a silver card or something, you know, or you know. It is. I knew I know it's not you can only get somebody to love them so much, if the subtle things that the products doing is often like, we talked about the, the cargo cult, which is like, if I put on a fit for an airplane, pilot airline pilot. It doesn't mean I can fly play. No, I'm, but I can put on the outfit and I can move levers, but you wouldn't want be flying your plane, and I think sometimes people look at challenges and go I understand what it is actually you don't there's a lot more there than meets the eye. And that's the differentiator knew all about this from an experienced point. I think the hardest thing that banks fail to admit to themselves as people don't really want to do banking, and therefore, you, you have to approach it as, as a human problem, and approach as one of your thereby facilitating financial life really more than anything else. And you exactly right. One of the spend more time reading psychology books, then I do read and take because actually it's a boat. The dopamine hit you mentioned and all these little things. These little things that the surprise and delight people. Get ten other far more important no-one no-one wakes up in the morning says, I'm gonna do some Anqing today. You know, but they have to interact with the Bank to facilitate things they want to do. And it's about focusing on that, then that, that's where the differentiation comes from, maybe with fed, and that's really can feel because you know putting him. Oh, geez. At and stuff like that wasn't solving a problem. It wasn't facilitating life. The believed it was something that people would want to go and do. And that is where you get it wrong because people won't want to do that. What's different is the differentiation between this Marcus by Goldman Marcus by Goldman has gone and taken the market by storm. It's really driven up customer numbers. They've got over one hundred thousand customers in the K the issued I and billions of deposits in the US. I think it was full seat somewhat. Sorry loans billion of loans books that built on five. Billion in deposits a really, really meaty book that they've built in no time. It's all but to your point that platform was greenfield. So they held back by that platform in any way. I don't think we've seen the last of J P Morgan in this space, not truly. Conversely, I really respect them for for killing often not keeping it alive. And pretending it was massively successful when it wasn't this. They've really owned some kind of hopefully, I think they've really end some credibility in respect from the rest of the market for being like actually, we're gonna pull this hasn't worked really since they'll be back only learned a lot as well from the experience. Anything Jiechi Morgan Holik? They look a commercial investment banking, like they've done a lot of great things. Right. Like thea into interbank information networks, so they're good at. They didn't know when to pull the plug, and I could ascend for being brave enough to do that. They've doubled down on some stuff that, that has worked for the other parts of the Bank clearly, and I think lowly points a really good one. The learning is actually finished probably being really, really worthwhile. In terms of what they learned, and you look at Jamie diamond statements about, you know, the competitor is fintech no big tech, and he's really concerned about that, and has made significant funding available internally to kind of go after that already next story comes from the telegraph, this, a Bank that appears beef with fintech, so fintech risk, giving banks Abbad name shop to the Neal to blame says ball ball. So short for Swannee, Barclays head of consumer banking payments said that concerns around the ability of startups to all to medically. Monitor transactions are dangerous to the banking industry. The end of the day, the whole system is just as strong as the weakest link Mr. Swanee said, the incidents, where banking, start-ups accidentally go off lying technical issues are damaging the wider industry. And if I'm a Bank, fintech for that Massa goes down. It's not good for the banking industry or role. You won't the industry have a reputation of being reliable provided, it doesn't help if anything goes down, Mr. swanning pointed to Barclays history, the reason why customers continue using the Bank over the challenge of bikes. We've been doing this for three hundred twenty eight years older than the Bank of England role to the million states of America. So it been doing this for a long period of time, men of with it through a log change. This really interesting coming from them with older can of involvement and Techstars and everything else. So it's kind of one on one hand saying that we don't approve of startups, and then on the other hand can have really doing a little work in that space. So I think I think maybe this is just one sort of comment that has been kind of just take an Enron with I'm because I feel that they will collaborate with, with startups. And I think to the point of the customer experience Oviously has to be key here, and everything has to be deployed, and tested and, you know, everything has to be in place to, to try to avoid these situations that sometimes occur when you're creating new products and services, you know, there, there are going to be issues, you know, if you can limit the downtime, Lil as possible, then that's great. But we've seen it with the challenges where they do have an an touch does come back online and everything's good. And you know, bought can it really be prevented? I'm not sure about that a couple of. I think firstly you know, he's very narrow. And these he mentions automatically monitoring transactions who says that doesn't happen and who says it can't happen that felt like a shot across the bow to revolution. Twenty-six directly who've been end twenty six of have been called out by ball fan for not having automated monitoring in place. That was affective and as a result, that boffin of instructed and twenty-six to hire humans to do the job, which is really interesting instruction from the regulates. Again, I think the solution to the problem is not the same as the problem existing. And of course, there's been some controversy about whether or not revolu had an active transaction monitoring service during a period of time, sort of eighteen months ago, also changing between systems so my sense was that. That's what he was of talking about it could be. But I think the other thing is that. You know in terms of failures and things being apptime and everything else. Appreciate the alot of people's cloud strategies are going to law their care in big banks in the same exactly the clouds as a low fintech ice. So they're gonna you know. You know we saw a couple of weeks ago. Google play good indictment. Lots of things go, you know. You know. Been down a bunch of the show a horror Snapchat way in the world. Do they did? And so you do I think that you can't you kinda conversion the same cloud, and then try and claim that somehow the more reliable lace, reliable new professor. I show what he actually said in the headline on strictly thing, I really do feel like journals are trying to start leave special. Telegraph seems to really have an infant development, given which which segment of the market, they speak to that wouldn't surprise me. And but to actual point is the age of a Bank, relevant to its competency, or reason for customer loyalty. That's crazy thing to say, really. That's something three hundred twenty eight years old is completely relevant day. I mean it just doesn't make sense to me concept is going to be the best for the customer, because look how old. Yeah, exactly. I think h does of does a play in with, with anything in what country. So there's a really famous or if for call lasting offset from from Netherlands, and he did a culture dimension. That was what it was most famous for anything. Some culture has a higher uncertainty avoidance metric whereas, especially in Asia delake, trust brand, secure brands, security, plays, a high whereas other cultures are more risk-takers. I'm so I think I guess, alley pays like not three hundred years old. This call billion users. So for sure points there, I think it the culture those players strong role in how how big of an effect to age for Bank has right. Were how cultural or ethnography so who are you? What do you look for from your products because if I'm seventy something, and I liked cash, I liked people, and I don't trust these newfangled things because I don't feel confident with it, then a Bank that I've trusted since I was young, give me real comfort, and I, I trust them, and I go to the branch and I failed out sentence and speaking to that customer base, I can completely under Sunday. But I think the. Rhoda point of it's really really important that these systems up time if you're trying to make get paid and you're waiting for payday on you need to pay the bills and you're hungry, then getting paid on time is super important super critical to you. So banking is an absolutely vital service starting to buffet through shock Barclays all trying to do a little infant tape. They all doing a lot to support this. I do think the, the messaging could probably be a little bit tweet if I were them, but the fintech have definitely had some ounces, but cloud platform could actually be a way forward for some of this most of the outages. If you look at them actually come from one set of payments providers GPS has been sort of hold up a few times, as being the one on the outages and took all the fintech STAN, but visa had announced each like this is a coastal all of your houses. It's, it's not a case coast on any one particular one. I think maybe this was a broad-ranging interview in which they were hoping to talk about other things. And the Jones going to trying to get this beef. So hopefully people do notice the points short made it now calling the good things you're doing all right. It's time for a quick break steel. We will leave. Beginning his job. Frankly. Brexit, brexit. Else shouting. Listen for the clarity behind the headlines subscribe to the financial times, visit F T dot com. 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So if you want to build a coal banking system, and really remake banking with a client who super fun to work with then check out eleven dot com forward slash careers. We can really change this industry. All right. Let's get on with the show. The next story is about breaks. E X, not Brexit. But breaks I'm they have hit a two point six billion dollar valuation with new cash from Kleiner Perkins. So just a reminder BreX, all coporate cards tailored, for startups they released they have credit cards made specifically for e komo's companies on they've also launched recently a rewards program for its customers announcing kind of called made specifically. Company so that going after these niches on their making payments called the really, really work. So Perkins led the round alongside Mary meeker directly, an existing investors DST, global IV. Y combinator also participated, so they closed hundred million dollars in a series, c outta volume two point six billion. These collies have been growing rapidly. Checkout history, and March two thousand seventeen they graduated from white company in April two thousand seventeen they go to six point five million series at a twenty-five valuation. A year later in April two thousand eighteen they raised fifty million at two twenty valuation in October two thousand eighteen they raised a further one hundred twenty five million at a one point one valuation. And now they just raised another one hundred million at two point six this huge thoughts on Dalton the this, I think, is an incredible and kind of on precedent. Their growth and you know what? They're, they're managing to achieve. So again, they're still twenty twenty three years old as well. I think so. It's just I went y c not to visit the place. I hope some of that type of scaling withdrawal from me. So, yeah, I think I think it's amazing. I guess they have the right type of investors that can help them exceleron their growth. And that's kind of what comes to if you're going to go into an accelerator program, the other end with Kleiner Parkin says your investor your. Yeah, exactly. You're in a really good position. So I think you know, they're, obviously a product that people love they're buying it. So you comes new, there's no replacement for traction in that market. That's what VC's are gonna love with just, just see people piling in going growing in the they're going to keep investing in it. I think then choice to take for me, as you know, from a from a digital in boarding perspective, clearly, picking off niches something that works really well, because I think allows them to do is to build vague. Friction lists expediencies you see this consistently, though, revolution, stall says the best travel cardinal becomes a lot more months becomes a prepaid called this, the everyday spank called, it's the playbook and it works and these guys are doing it time and time again at breaks. What's really interesting is that been a lot of people trying to do the sort of spend control cod for startups in the poach in called in the culprit called saw that so bad there. So bad on. So the so much opportunities to improve it doesn't surprise me that this is doing quite so, well, but then you think about the specific problems that these industries have you think about things like the film industry science industries? They're all buying different types of products. Have different approval routes have different workflows and stuff. So these guys can take out the Nisha Zain become a different way of buying things and pushing things you could finally get rid of accounts, payable and accounts receivable, you could get rid of all of the Cillian voices and pay per that goes back with you. You can see that with the ecommerce offering is very much the understand the nature of cash flow, news businesses shooting the product to match, and that's why it's very popular because I it's it's not just a general purpose thing that may or may not work for you. It's very much chewed into how you businesses gonna run. I guess tied into the sector can have had that sectors opera in terms of all the events and so on the partnerships and loyalty and rewards is kind of a big part of that we're going to keep an eye on breaks. I'm sure they'll be doing a lot more and. Certainly pedigree. I mean, if you want the, the checklist of things that get funded exway companies by Stanford, dropout by program and a lot of it is pedigree and momentum, but a lot of it is team this phase, and they seem to be executing. I think if I would looking if I was in an organization, and I had a corporate call program, I'd be really, really thinking about how do I get out in front of this, because I think we're going to see a lot more. But also, what are we like what breakfast rewards program is also? It's quite tailored to the audience rates is that you get searching ABS credit. So it's not just any clipper cards corporate card sets completely tailored to industry before to see how the brand doesn't the u k some coins, well, indeed. Well, they're all call programs like it this spend desk and a few others in Europe that are, that are having a go at this. But, you know, the, the, the coporate called market and COPA. And especially for startups is less than one percent done. It's like no point once. So. To do. All right. If you want to more about bricks some mole spokes at brek CEO and founder and Rica during New York fintech week, listen back to episode warn of authentic inside a USA series. So go back to your podcast. Client, scroll. Buckle away episode one of fintech inside a USA. It was about ten ten episodes ago on bricks CEO and founder and Ricky grass. I don't know how as last name really, really interesting job, check it out, already next story story from business insider, and UK startup fintech true lead, just one funding from China's tencent and Singapore and wealth fund Temasek. So they're taking this investment is thirty five million dollars, which goes on Tuesday feeling the company's expansion further into Europe and Asia truly was founded in two thousand sixteen and the replant form. The provides open banking software that allows people to share aggregate, that financial information from. Different providers. And of course, this is set against the context of open banking, and PSD to which have really helped companies like true leveraging the API's that have been made available by banks to integrate the services to customers company works apparently with zones, tree previously received funding from north zone, Anthony's and connect ventures. Tencent getting involved, this is this looks like Asia expansion written all over it. Yes. If I if I look at from, from ten cents ankle, right? Tencent to me, a platform, business and puffing business always want to occupy at least be part of a position, that's quite foundational more powerful in the stack, which ultimately means having access to business and customer data. So for me for ten investments about having access to open banking stack and playing I really key role. So. Attention. I know there earlier was applying for trademarks, and us really, they were just announced as one of the new virtual banks in Hong Kong, and truly are from the website, also says that's probably two areas that we're gonna go into as well. So I think asked related expanse, what tencent can do is be part of a very crucial part of that open backing stack. I'm have access to that stack. I'm so I think for for platform business. It makes really key strategic sense to me. Truly equipment chasing company, because they've focused on just accessing the raw data mainly due Tuygan can and that sort of thing base. It's more by just getting that getting access to all the Bank data on on getting through the PI. We looked few things we agregation into the BI up. There was a few options. We ended up using scorch fantail dive equal to do that. And from a perspective. It's very useful. There's, there's nothing to begin from a Bank from building all the hoops out to all the other banks agregation going through some sort of Intech intermediaries is much, buried do, which is why you did it. But it's interesting because a lot of that market is going onto different aspects of that product, you know. So I know the guys that ID core looking at things like affordability because access to the data so they, they can do things truly are seem to be sticking with the roadway provision, which I think, is an interesting choice. I wonder as well about ten Sen. as sort of an organization with we chat and having the kind of massive payments infrastructure goal is something there, about European the other way pulling her into that. I don't know if it's a tourist travelers that could be helpful as something then the future, I think having having acts, definitely give them more options when it comes to defeat proposition when expanded different markets. Right. So think in China, we Bank has been quite focused on both consumer and Collins. So we die I had about two hundred and fifty one percent Calgary between fifteen and seventeen and. And then they had are about two point one seven percent when the industry was having like zero point ninety percent. So, I think in China really excelling that loan provisions. So what are we interested to see as you as you mentioned when they expand to you? It's those freely. It's Hong Kong, two different markets. How would that change your proposition? When you have a much higher population of banks, kind of people wave regulators that all open to open banking, Austrailia, like Hong Kong, which are not true. Next steps for for those platforms with a lot of crossover on a little Myron would really interesting. And to the points made about having this one lay with security. We actually talked to plots on co-founder a couple of episodes, going off and taking data shows, well, and they were saying similar thing, actually it first banks were really unsure about this fantastic. That could access things. But what they realized walls aids convenient be, it's pretty secure rather than having a many to many old banks connecting to each other in lots of places where things can go wrong. I've got this one point of security that can start money a lot more effectively. I agree. And I think the other can have thing intent doing something like this is that they could probably well, I think the concept for them might be around providing additional services through their own platform. So a big focus on how can the add value to their own customers, and create new products and services using new technologies? Everyone to watch or Nick story. I'm on our credit in the on. The bind story comes from San BC. They're launching credit card for the under banked with bad credit. So they with publicly traded buying synchrony financial to launch the Amazon credit, build a program that lends to shoppers with no credit history. All but credit, who would otherwise be exempt from Amazon is loyalty codes, the called house, the same pokes like five percent cashback on purchasers come with the popular Amazon store called, which synchrony also POWs, these reward codes incentivize shoppers to Amazon instead of alternatives to drive loyalty with its customer. Base program uses financial literacy, tools and tips to learn about building credit. I'm Boras can eventually graduate to an unsecured Amazon credit card once they've demonstrated they can pay by loans the called the new caught up occasion, sits directly next to the other cards. And if a customer doesn't get proved for an Amazon credit card. That'd be prompted for this new offering if they want to apply for the credit builder, instead so pretty interesting stuff, those, the synchrony pieces. This is a large part of the population that weren't able to build from synchronous perspective this, this must've. Massive distribution. Is this finally Amazon getting into fintech or is this is this still just sort of like a an affiliate cart on the fringes? But you guess the, the Altima is for them to start for the legs, vamps and start doing things more and more as they start to move into other areas, like physical stores and those of other things. So, yeah, I think it's just the star of things to come. I think it's good the gay people get this sort of assistance. Right. Because I think because it's a builder gates if they're educated and again to bear position from the credit. That's a good thing. I think obviously from Amazon point of view, you could argue this one part of the population that wasn't buying an Amazon, there for the resolving that problem if it gives them an opportunity to access more more of more of the population to get transactions through there's door. So I think it works mutually good thing. Get works for it gives. Them access to more customers putting is good for the customers as well. Because it gives them it's benefit buying things. In another places you gotta watch out for being treated like a stall called all being treated Cassini issue and co branded cards with lows psalms clo- pay pow banana Republic, and other companies. So this is like a stole called, plus plus the APR is twenty eight point two cent and people deposit, five hundred dollars and then have a five hundred dollar credit limit that they now have to pay a twenty eight percent APR on like it's all a little bit weird so you get. Yeah, you deposit you five hundred and then you've got another five hundred over the top of it. You could see how somebody who's no really financially literate may end up in trouble with this. So the real I think this exceeds all fails on how good the financial literacy, tools and support our around it. I think it's really interesting as well as the track record, that's inquiry financial has. So they bought around I think, seven point six billion worth of. Receivables from pay pow on back in two thousand eighteen and they have a ten year relationship with them to be exclusive for their co branding credit card. So these guys have a lot of history and track record and experience of working with big ecommerce firms. So I think would be really interesting to see how that experience translates. And how cry like evolves, as work with Amazon one. What's interesting is they don't using all of the Amazon days, or at least maybe they all but it doesn't pay it from the all schools like the day, Amazon has announced shoppers and the credit scoring. You could do as a result of somebody's poaching behavior. But also the things that you can do in the interests of the customer, as a result of that pushing behavior that would be good for their lives that would be in their interests. Like, with great data comes great responsibility, the absolute responsibility that if you get this product right, you can make a real difference. But if you get it wrong, you could really mess with some people. So what's the ultimate goal? Is it fall? More people to buy stuff from Amazon. Or is it for more sustainable customers that will become good customers Amazon in the longer term. And I hope the second thing already time to the end finally story, we ready. This week on finally story, banking and big Mike's story comes from finance stress by bike to open pilot brunch. In a McDonald's outlet as you can have chicken nuggets and cash. So customers of Russia's spy banks will soon be able to do that banking with a side order, Big Mac and fries following collaboration daily greet between the state owned banking entity on the giant US Boga train, the two companies intend to partnering called acquiring a number of, of the more innovative areas including using technical systems to analyze data on fries now those aditorial thrown away. Developing consumer behavior analysis systems. Speeding Bank called payments developing payroll for employees and the opening of a pilot brunch and the Bank in Bank, McDonalds. Are you loving this not? The first question has y right. I just can't imagine what type of customer research they went through to have them come to the conclusion this decision to make maybe there's some. Real hard data and narrative behind that makes a lot of sense. But I feel like this is sort of similar to the Walker coined that Burger King did a few months back and in Russia as well. Quickly coincidentally. Marketing gimmicks in Russia blog chains. Why? Yeah. I mean it's entertaining story to say who's Russia's head of marketing for Boga chains. Because whoever they all creative, I'll give them. Same agency. Yeah, good. Yeah. Go. Are an argument for seeing that there's a good thing about teaching the service to where people are, you know, and I think that maybe this is just one various that the it'll go to their own people don't really want to do banking, but they probably want to buy McDonald's. So therefore, cool Kate, the two might might have some some use for people and some ways is much like in, in the digital space. The think you'll see a lot more imbedding you will you will see even you can see things. Now you can make payments. And what's happened things that you've got much more chance of getting gauge -ment? If you have your financial services emitted in places where people want to be anyway. And whether that's physical in McDonalds or whether that's digital in someone else's out. I think you see more and more of that because people people aren't going to choose to to go to, to a branch and, you know, if you look at the, the branches, the we've opened in London, Manchester, you know, they're made to not Luke. Like branches the midst funkier than that because the meant be more of a destination. Think by by teeth king banking services into places where people want to go and maybe people engage with them more. It's funny it's like the happy meal for, you know, get young. So if you're going into Bank, and, you know how when you give your kid a Bank account, you're going to get them at young, you know, if there's if there's some sort of sales mechanism like a happy meal, 'cause all the kids wanna happy meals on you're going to get the Bank account young. Right. So I don't know. Maybe there's something in that. So who knows who knows what jazz jazz as I think, is quite funny. We've seen the, the low the Trumpster banks now high street banks in the UK now offer the ability to use the post office. Yeah. I like that Ceesay simple. So why not have all the places where you the analog things brunch costing Moore failure? Not truly the cost of running a brunch for somebody to walk in once a day in some rural community is far. It's unsustainable doesn't make sense. It should be the pop. I would love that. That I could really have cash. Oh my fish and chips. I could get some product. And that's what's happening. Hongkongers volaille when you go to seven elevens, which is the local convenience stores, which affects everywhere you can get cash up there as well. So it works sometimes same. I'm good. I'm good with Donald good, do what they haven't ATM where you can get out cash. The house Ronald McDonald's face on it, though. I hope so. I get McDonald's tokens. Get happy meal onto tie, a happy, milita toy just for taking my paying him book and getting deported sources. Let's save up for that and get getting hungry this country. By the way. All right now, endorse McDonald's either. Other burkes. Under the banks to on the hospice, stay with us about wraps up this week's new show. I've thank you so much. I guess I wake and people find out more about U laurel. Oh, sustainably dot co. And we're launching connected to all of the UK's, challenger and mainstream banks on the first of July, I'm what to sustainably do. So we are in tech for social good. We use open banking to make easy for individuals to have a positive impact every day. So you can run up your spare change and given many different frictions ways without giving out your personal data to causes you care by every time you show up and lots of other interesting ways. Good stuff. I like the sound that law and Scott. How about yourself me or my employer all of the above? So obviously fake that Claes the Bankin and virgin money on comb. 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All the companies have started accepting that so as we see the flushing gig economy you know how the employee job who hoping you know by the female employees that centrally taken win a castle job employees for anybody irrespective visits of email or may <hes> it's not really taken will and i was leo komo for the view of the view that if somebody doesn't spend a considerable amount of time within the company you know the person has not cologne or contribute to the organization so if you're talking about a one zero two year stint i think even two years is not enough to contribute to the company beaten lung and it's your own personal growth that could sample severe switching over jobs too often that shows a lot of psychological effects also that the person is not. It's it's not really been steady as a personal. He's a he's. After everyone is changing jobs. You know what after every two years is looking for something new people looking for a people were loyal committed why loyalty can be defined into weighty dumb sooner for different people but when we are talking about loyalty to the work is loyalty to the project that you're doing even join dirty accompany and that is of <hes> you know certain important project. That's given would you walk in and you don't finish it off with a your stein that actually talks more about you as a person rather than commitment the work but as walking <hes> who may be you may also have certain commitment to her of family early life has been right so inside situations she has to do frequent job changes. Maybe no moving from point a to bangalore mangalore totally. So how do you think she should be handling. Such situations rent a the list of what you say the fourche or the request quest from spouse saying that i need to move now because you know i'm not happy with a gun in job saudi to think she should take it up and still make it eight. Okay <unk> probably a lot of the times of changing the new generation of that's come up order. Especially the twenty five thirty thirty five years spent at least eat daniels in a particular company odd of vide- deal that the wife's job is as important as the as own jumps <hes> again we come back to the question that people changing frequently quick that generally doesn't happen the buzzing changes in two years time one and a half years time or something like that in case it does happening. <hes> ninety nine percent of women staying back at home did not looking for jobs. They know that look my husband. Go change every two does does so they're not able to do our job right and they will couple side a other stuff to keep them occupied or a right which can actually be run from anyway. The second option i've seen women doing is doing consulting for small organization with doesn't become like a regular job. Aw you know and you can do it. You know we're from vegetable. Whichever bliss that you want the toward most important thing is suitable given are jumping because the husband's changing enjoys ended. That's happening quite frequently. If it's large organization they had lots of branches. Everyone got me support so either the digital transfer or something like that that's over talking about. You know stay. Stay at home moms or guesses. Vera female. Meal has to date the break so so. How do you think you know such female employees should work on this case when when they are thinking of reentering the corporate world what kind of skills they should be working there kicking the cardio break. It's important for people to prioritize advertise their lives. <hes> if obviously of female is taking a break because there's a priority to the family and <hes> eventually they're going to come back or maybe they decide that they're gonna come back after two three years <hes> because the kids are small or there's somebody in the home which requires a special attention within my headways the shook i david the priority i okay okay. What's not anonymous going up. This could be a time when you want to be bothered about them or less worried about them so when asu accept the fact that young that's the danville. They're actually released a quiet. You most of us get confused between the fact including me you know of the children are very young. <hes> they need their mothers and fathers close to them which is actually onto renault that i have grown up children. <hes> what are the basically. It's the most of the needs of biological endless <hes> you know emotional needs dates and children of <unk> adapt if so if they have parents working the adapted the debate get in some walking and it is the way of life okay right. They don't know if the mothers went to sit at home what's going to be you know my answer me. Show making storm you want me to send that don't because then the whole <unk> everybody in the house go in cleaning you know so the most important part part of his life probably come when they're doing their wealth board exams. That's when they have won the parents of the model you know around food and it's comforting for them because those critical years for them so i think if somebody is taking a break when the child is very young to three years old and you'd hold of support at home or you don't have something you know supportive. Do take care of your child when you're not around then one is a eglise <unk> run y'all or one and a half year with a child a small. I think the budget should devote complete attention to the chain a slowly by slowly then you can start looking forward to moving back into woking and that has to be a give league land transition addition by carefully planned transition means that you should be up to marketing oh on what's happening onto slowed of reading would help you the industry that you're working beyond top by reading. You know what's happening around in your industry for example you know somebody's walking looking in drills state house ruled state doing what are the kind of be foams investing in real estate but as the money coming in what are the government rules regulations relations and things like that no one should be aware of what's happening around the world so a lot of reading is a must keep yourself updated. The the second thing is that the most importantly is to get your issue me up perty will carry a lot of people believe are still. I still believe in that ordeal. Writing the resume is doesn't really bring out the best and then and it's not really professionally done so it's like go <unk> geek in the present <hes> and they're okay with you know buying new clothes and going for an interview but but they want to redo their resume so i think the most important part is to build any resume. Bring out your key. Strengths your achievements the projects that you've done which will help you to print closer to the employment because once you are in subarctic what happens is of that. You're totally disconnected outside video cardio what's happening so few raid what's happening and then secondly if if you have sort of <hes> brushed off your skills in domes of yours you make sexual. You know it'll be easy when you walk in for an interview to show that why are you even if you've been august connected and you can highlight do different projects that you've done that. This is the kind of hands on work that you have done. Okay that hinson lord <hes> and people take that very positively guides to convey positively that looks she's taken through your break but she's just on top of tanks that actually shows only from the fact that you're let's say the whole belgrade informed your about your industry. What are the latest trends that are happening in new industry so all that is related to what you're doing in terms of reading execture and i'm sure there must be many demanding time but what has really most demanding time yellow while being walking mom and how did you handle that <unk> diamonds wien ven. My son was giving his trip and flooding different universities. He's and i give my job the same okay so one after walking twenty three years regularly i give up my job. It was not vague. Applied innovate planned way but i think on the height said that's the only way it would have happened but with would have kept on walking had forced was to force myself to take that decision so <hes> the time. I should have probably given him. You know from a support perspective. <hes> the transition that was happening <hes> from being an employee do an employer of was the difficulties and the dying at the same time over the friends that today actually said said that they will stand up health plans have been working for fifteen radio. After i dropped on the chiefs they might go. They were working with us specific than thursday. Not not was to any beetroot buzzy not really <hes>. I'm front of the store in my area and <hes> especially in the affinity consume award. I don't think there's anybody not as strong as probably the infancy to secto was survived for such a long done hundred plus soldiers in the last few years us. I would say a the transition from being an employee when employer was very dow because a lot of people will you defend on are no longer there in the same is true in the going is good. Everybody's arguing the going good spider. Nobody's view. I actually lived in those moments moments but on the hindsight they'll always these angels coop <unk> and sort of hit butte take aka so some of the good friends at will use before and then he different sectoral now each other. It's all legitimate of different <hes> sectors completely which had nothing to do with consumer sector years and they never gave me work you know when i was actually hitting consumers with force wants to give me that opri yoyo on right right into work for us so i think those are the friends that i our lifetime fans allow if clients whatever you call them are people who oh sort of supported the back so that that was a tough time when i was setting up my own company and my son was doing is twelve and he was struggling to rank a will and his in between you know via the station goes. All of this was happening. I discovered that many episode blood pressure. Russia was just seventeen ninety to be broken so his b._p. Actually went skyrocketed because of his anxiety eighty a._d. Problem and he developed an anxiety only in the north one zero so i've even not fair and uh it was it was stuff so you dealing a lot of a emotional stuff and you're dealing with a lot of professional stuff at the same time fine so i would say a that was of pita <unk> tortoise larger take us to cowpoke but <hes> a lot of things that we were not aware it made us more a stronger as people being your own boss bring salvation accountability and to be successful. You need to be on your toes. So can you talk about how you manage. It's now a transition from employee and employer and so as as an employee i would see a an employer joyce voices working or not working right so if you're working for somebody if you know week starting to debate that i wanna work for three days didn't want to go for duties. You have the choice not the employer's is something to you own conscious of your own accountability that exist over forward. I think i've been accountable. I've always gotten my family <hes> so the responsibility has come with your family family and the accountability solo lippi put it like that. There's never been peace. I think i'm abyss survival for stress. I actually actually of <hes> do the best straight stalker that's the way it is but it's how you're complainers. Nobody has to tell you anything to do. It's your responsibility. And how serious are you about faith. So how'd you take care of yourself. Breath b- died plan exercise being so that you can handle wide out your question offered any boy of my life safe so now do i have t yes i haven't been it starts at six o'clock in the morning and said eleven o'clock doc in the night so no okay. That's got me by you. Know husband is movie but this will be fun but but i can't wait for me by guns every quarterly or six months miami miami book is the mentioned. I just enjoy my dad with him and i wo- <unk> son of study. I wonder relig- a take time that i have with them every day that they can be good so maybe that meeting gum select travelling. I travel quite a bit. <hes> i want to see different places in the wood kind of die for me but on a daily basis <unk> to at and how to take it off your since then he specific <hes> <hes> any exercise that drew you're trying out or any you'll go and do of diamond time again. You know maybe i don't yoga toned owned of time. They need to start walking did a date so it's been a long island in the you have the diamond <unk>. You haven't inclination nation but this is something that i need to work on now. I know a so what does it do list on which don't mess to my to do list. Is that <hes> one is. I don't wanna miss out on the commitment mccormick lions okay. It's like a personal thing with me. If i miss out on my government's it means the loss of face after working ardent for so long. I'm not ready to do that. The second most important thing is oh the dos grid. Oh if i have something to do and finish it and will approach to move on to my second task is that are being vague goal oriented with its related to traveling or whether it's religion to my own one company profitability or the gop lie awesome numbers that <hes> i'm very goal oriented lose thing so any specific advice who liked to give to working moms but can i i of human life okay. I had one thing we hill. I think the mindset's need to be changed from vulcan. Mom's not saying working. That's the moment just a working mom. My child will do that. Mom you're discriminate. Mhm be have this outside and working becomes a way of life. Nothing is really going to change the momentum. You start seeing <unk> booking bob also looking book you you. His contribution is as much it was just because we have good yokel king and he's not doesn't mean that you know show would have a forecast walking back. I told you she should actually that's a very interesting one. 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BTK III: Episode 102
"Thank you for listening to this podcast wine production now, available on. Apple. PODCASTS podcast one spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast. Free. degree. Degree close to. I. The first degree. Supposed to have in movies not. You know as as we know, he stopped in ninety one. And he got quiet and and. And then in Oh four, it was the thirtieth year anniversary of Otero. And he watched it on TV and he wrote about in the newspaper and he said that woking back up. And that he wanted to go play cat and mouse again is what he calls it, and so he's the one that basically caught himself because he started communicating with the police. And they you know through everything out into finding. So of course, they are the ones Connie at if he had not come out, he would never been found I mean, literally we would have found this crop in our house when he died. Welcome to the first degree the true crime podcast you might end up on my name is Jack Vanak. I'm sitting far away from Alexis linkletter and Billie Jensen and today as a very special day we have part three in the conclusion of our bt case series. So if you haven't listened to parts one and two stop right now, go back two weeks and we still have demonstrators daughter carry with us and on today's episode, we're going to take you through the most riveting and visceral facets of her experience. When she discovered the her father was bt K.. Jump into all that I've a very important question to ask billy what day is it? It's national. Chicken link. Gay. Yes. What yes is happening I? Know I never been so excited and bill they're also national cheese sandwich. Purchase Day which I'm not on board with. Sacrificed. In your purchasing is not conducive to this podcast. No. I should always be cheese in your grocery basket. Yes. It's also International Tiger Day and it's rain day and rain is one of my favorite things. So it's interesting that rain day is in the middle of. July. I, guess for the Midwest it rains but we're not seeing rain over here on the West. coast. Well. Only in California brings out. I'm not a huge fan of rain in Los. Angeles. Just because of the critters we get tons of mosquitoes when there's rain and the cockroaches come out to play when there's rain they do not. We're not used to rain over here that it's all of us not doubt like pushed up from the underground no rain day. Yes. Going Day. No cheese sacrifice day. All the cheese all the time. I Don some person that was allergic to cheese probably up that day I don't like it but you know that's enough of that. Let's Mandalay. And turn up your anxiety. Because this could be. It was a routine ritual that was meticulously followed by thousands of people who lived in the Wichita area in the nineteen seventies and the nineteen eighties. You arrive at your house and you walk up to the front door keys in hand you unlock the door you step inside you turn on the lights and then you run to the phone, you pick up the receiver and you listen for a dial tone. And whether or not you heard that flat shrill slightly out of tone, home could mean life or death, and if we're talking death, we're not talking any old ordinary death we're talking death by ligature strangulation. We're talking hours of torture being strangled to the brink of death and then allowed to have one gasping breath before being strangled again. We're talking hours of taunting before death and even once the life is choked out of you the experiences and over there will be pictures of your tied up body that would be taken with a polaroid. There would be masturbation near body at the scene and along with that would come a reeling reaction from the community, a heartbroken family and a sonic. We've fear that would reverberate through the community and ultimately eventually the person killed, you would write a detailed letter to police taking credit for your. Senseless murder on last week's episode we took you through the murders of Nancy, Fox marine hedge, Vicky, Wegerle surely vein and finally. D. Davis WHO WOULD BP TK's final that Tom? We left off last week with porcelain mask that D- was wearing when she was found following these murder, the killer would go underground in would be beckoned to reemerge following years of silence BC K. had fatally flawed nervous system and would essentially rat himself out after a cat and mouse game with police that lasted three. So today's case takes us back to January fifteenth of two thousand four. The top movie in theaters was saved the last dance with Julia Style Sean Patrick Thomas and Carrie Washington. The song topping the charts was independent women by destiny's child was good day and on January fifteenth of two thousand and four Marta very important anniversary. It was thirty years to the day that the unsolved Otero quadruple homicide had occurred. So in an attempt to keep the pursuit of bt K. Alive, the Wichita Eagle releasing indepth article in which the original investigators were interviewed. The tone of the article was sombre and frustrated because everyone expected bt K to be caught by now. Right because by two thousand four, the police had invested more than one hundred thousand. In pursuit of bt K.. Over the years, they tried almost everything and there's no doubt that these horrific murders remained at the forefront of the minds of those who lived through them. But thirty years have passed. which meant that for many these crimes and also the fear of bt K. were moving further and further away in the rear view mirror. Had not been heard from. which for investigators was both a gift and a curse, it's a gift obviously because more people had died and it seemed as if this problem is now the burden of maybe some other jurisdiction. But it was also a curse because without contact or another crime scene there are no new threats to pull. Threats that could help unravel the identity of this monster. So when the Wichita Eagle. Released this article no one was expecting to hear from vk as a result. But they did right because they had also written one of these articles on the twentieth anniversary and nothing happened. So their assumption was of course that this guy is gone, but it seemed as though Dennis, rader missed having his moniker in the papers. We say this because once the Wichita Eagle released her thirty year Otero Mark Commemorative Article, the received a letter from Beechy K. but. It used the name, Bill Thomas Kilman on the return address an accompanying the letter was a photocopy victim Vicky wireless driver's license in photos of Vicki's body that had been taken by her killer needless to say the author of the letter took credit for Vicki westerlies murder, and this letter was the shot of adrenaline that law enforcement needed to ramp up their efforts in finally catches sky. And the same spraying the bt came made contact with the media is also in Dennis Rader. took his family to a tulip. Festival in Michigan and this is proof that he retained his keen ability to deceive everyone around him. He was fifty nine years old. He was balding he was out of shape he was a dog catcher and the president of. His Church congregation and on that same road trip with his family, he decided to visit his uncle. The two of them had a lovely day catching up and taking trips down Memory Lane Dennis. Rader was living a normal life with normal hobbies normal passions in a normal family and he had all of this after he put ten innocent victims in the ground. In parts wanted to carry our first degree. Dennis rader daughter expressed the fact that she's never actually met quote unquote bt K. because she said, if she had, she'd be dead. But in hindsight she realizes that she may have been shown glimpses of him over the years. and so there there are two incidents where he was physically abusive torn. Where he tried to strangle my brother front? When my freshman year in college, we had a falling out and over dinner and the dinner table crashed he sprung up and tried to strangle my brother. Then did it two years later? So again, in hindsight looking back, you know it's it's taken a long time to be able to process these things. Because things you just sort of brushed off or you just forgave or you thought well, that's the worst thing. My father could ever do or was out of character you realize that just really the tip of the iceberg of this person. You know as far as we know he stockton ninety one. and. He got quiet and and. And then in four, it was the thirty year anniversary of Otero. And he watched it on TV and he wrote about it in the newspaper and he said that woking back up. And, that he wanted to go play cat and mouse against what he calls it, and so he's the one that basically caught himself because he started communicating with the police. And they you know through everything out into finding. So of course, they are the ones that clotting at if he had not come out, he would never been found I mean literally we would have found this crap in our house when he died. But you thousand four, the police had the upper hand in that forensic science had progressed significantly when bt K. was committing his murders. DNA. Technology was not even close to where it was in two thousand four. But. Despite that investigators collected biological evidence from the scene and the form of not only semen samples but also scrapings from underneath fingernails of victims like Vicky Wegerle an under Vicki's nails. They found partial DNA profiles from one unknown male presumably her killer and where there is Jonah, there is a solvable case, and now all the cops needed was the right suspect. And over the years, the police had accrued a significantly large list of potential suspects and using the DNA they went from one suspect to the next and needed them. But now the killer was communicating again. The police were bracing themselves for PTA's next move and arrived in the form of a word puzzle that was sent to k. k. e. t. v. were calling cake. TV? and. This thing you can google it. It looks like a word search game that you would find on a kids menu at a restaurant. It's a grid with rows and rows of random letters but if you start searching diagonally horizontally and vertically words a merch. And it's kind of separated out in sections and the first section seems to describe how the killer stocks victim showing words such as prowl fallow fantasies, spot victim steam builds, and gopher it. Another section suggests possible disguises, realtor, insurance, serviceman, fake ID, and handyman. And He would do when he would approach the door to get in. He pretend he was the cable guy their electric like that's how he got into the homes during the day because most of them were during the day actually I think all of them were uh so he would have like a Russo. That's that's about. And the most surprising finding and the charge may be the numbers six, two, two, zero. And this would turn out to be the same number as raiders address in Park. City. And this is something actually that son of Sam used in his letters he actually gave directions to his house. In the form of a in the letters coded. So I think he was definitely looking at at at other serial killers. We can now link these words and these numbers back to Dennis Rader with meeting. But before his identity was known these words and numbers were just baffling to detectives and they didn't know whether there was any significant or whether this was an attempt to push detectives Dan Rabbit holes that would lead nowhere. Rights because bt case use of this word puzzle has prompted many people to look for connections between he and that of the Zodiac killer. So Zodiac killer murdered at least seven people and possibly up to twenty northern. California. Between December of sixty eight in October of sixty nine and it has remained one of the world's greatest unsolved crimes. Zodiac nickname was derived from a series of cryptic and taunting letters which are kind of reminiscent of what BC. K.. Does but these letters were posted. and. Sent to the media from the San, Francisco Bay area in these correspondences included ciphers and only one of four have been decoded and there's confusion about whether the other three can be decoded or they're also sort of. Red Herrings for just make. Investigators go in circles. But there are some individuals who believe without question that BG Kate is the Zodiac killer and these conclusions are made based on handwriting as well as other commonalities that exist between the Zodiac NBC K. Correspondences. Some people also think my dad's Kodiak and I'm like it doesn't match up like you guys are idiots like my dad was overseas in the military like my dad's not to act dudes sorry to tell you that. The taunting and the the codes like the codes but nothing immonen doesn't match and my father was never in California whatever. On June ninth of two, thousand, four, a month after cake TV received the word puzzle. A package was found taped to a stop sign at the corner of to really busy streets in Wichita. Inside there is a letter, the detailed gruesome descriptions of the Otero murders in a drawing with the words the sexual thrill is my bill and that was written all over it. In the package, there is also a chapter list for a book entitled the Bt K. Story and chapter one title was a serial killer is born. Yeah. So He's already writing his own story. Yeah. He's writing his autobiography. Pizza shed a little over a month later in July, another strange package was discovered at the Wichita Public Library. And this package had been slipped into the after hours book return. Slot. There were writings inside the contained more bizarre claims including Batik was responsible for the death of nineteen year. Old Jake. Allen in our go near Kansas, earlier that same month. Now this claim was actually found to be false and the teens death was determined to be death by suicide. But. This is odd because it's something new for bt K.. Because in the past, he would take credit for murders that he actually committed. He had never try to take credit for something he hadn't actually done before. And it makes you think is it possible that he did this because at fifty nine years old and with the progress of technology and crime scene forensics it would be a lot harder for bt K to get away with physically perpetrating an actual murder. We don't know. So three months later at the end of October, another package was found a ups. dropbox was a Manila envelope containing a series of cards with images of terror in bondage of children pasted onto them. The package of course also included a letter. There was a poem a- threatening the life of the lead investigator who was hunting K, and that was Lieutenant Ken land where in the package also had a false autobiography containing many details about e T K's life. So it claimed. So in the letter, BBC Kit claimed that he was born in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, nine false not. His grandfather played the fiddle died of lung disease not sure this would have been in the early nineteen hundreds. So it's hard to corroborate that that his mother dated a river detective possible. But unlikely that he was a veteran that is true that he was fascinated with trains. Everyone. Likes trains. Trains. In the Hispanic acquaintance named Petra, who lived who had a younger sister named Tina I guess so. Unlikely. So these details included in the letter were later released to the public to see if they rang. In the community like does anyone have anyone who takes all these boxes? Of course? No one did because most of them are false and the the ones that were true were things like being a veteran, which at that time his his age group, there are more veterans probably than any other age. So it doesn't really do much in the sense of narrowing suspects. So anyways. Maybe like trains. Who really knows what's going on but either way it was back to the drawing board for police because they learned nothing as a result of this letter. Right, and we're GONNA fast forward two months to December of two thousand four, and this is when police were alerted to the discovery of yet another package and a nearby park inside this package was the driver's license of the Cave Victim Nancy. Fox, which had been stolen from her home when she was killed. Also inside the box was one of the most chilling pieces of evidence connected to be two. K, and this is right on par with the creepy mass that was left on the body of Dolores. Davis. It was a Barbie doll that symbolically bound at the hands and feet with plastic bag tied over its head, and this is mimicking what was done to the majority of btk as victims. Unsurprisingly, the media exploded over bt K. once again and media started playing this recording that they had of btk as voice from when he called the police to lower them to the homicide scene of Nancy Fox. And we're quite sure just based on what we know that Dennis Rader was basking in all this media attention for the bulk of two, thousand and four. But that leads us to the question. What was his daughter Kerry doing? What did she think of the coverage? Did she listen to this audio clip recognized her dad's Voice You. Know people are like, how did you number here and I'm like they never played it when I was older. You know and then I wasn't in Wichita no four when he was playing his cat and mouse game store only read like two news articles about puck my mom once. I never heard I mean if I had heard that news, if I had heard that audio clip and for. I don't think I would have thought. It was my dad because that's such a big leap. But I also think that if I had been in Wichita Oh four liked to solve things probably would have been trying to figure this out an this might have been in a completely different way two, thousand four came in win as please scrambled for ways to smoke out this killer's identity, and you have to imagine what they're thinking and the frustration in the pressure for many years they believed with certainty that bt K.. Had To be dead or he must have moved and we say this this isn't like a normal serial killer they used to just think somebody who doesn't stop killing right but be on this. This guy was so engaged with the media seemingly. So addicted in the media attention. So addicted to sing his name on the screen and the newspapers, he must be dead because how does someone go from being that obsessed with yourself that? That enthralled with being this killer and engaging with only police, but also the media to just completely silent. And then suddenly. Over a decade goes by remember his last contact was ninety one, it's four suddenly he's back to exactly where he was the exact same momentum where every couple months of packages showing up with with a doll or or a word puzzle like he's reengaged as if no time had passed it all and it really is a mind for detectives because they at that point didn't know that killers could stop. So this was rewriting the profiling all at the same time. And suddenly the same species of fear that the community new in Wichita decades prior was back with a vengeance. Suddenly people snapped back to checking for cut phone lines. The moment they walked in the door two, thousand five comes and it may have been a new year but bt K. was using his same tricks. And Eager bt case in a postcards, a cake TV describing a package, he claimed to have left by the side of the road. In this pokes card btcu also asked about the status of another package that he said, he left at the home depot few weeks earlier, the roadside package turned out to be a cereal box containing a letter. And it described in sickening detail his first crime, which was the murders in nineteen, seventy four. The box also held some jewelry and they doll with a rope around its neck. The doll was tied to a curved PVC pipe apparently representing. Tara, but it was btk as reference to a package at the home depot that gave investigators their first big break in this decades-long case. And initial search of the premises turned up nothing from btk. But a store employee told police that his girlfriend had found a cereal box with writing on it in the bed of his pickup truck about two weeks earlier. The employees just thought it was a joke and actually through the box away right and the police recovered his trash and they found the box and think that they did because inside the box were several documents including one in particular were bt K. asked the police if he could communicate with them via floppy disk without being traced Oh, my God and he said if so he asked the police to place a newspaper ads saying quote rex, it will be okay. So, of course, the police could not run this ad fast enough running this ad was signalling to be tk that it was totally safe for him to send a slow floppy disk to them, and of course, they didn't en- couldn't identify an through this desk. So the police crossed their fingers that there'd be something on the disks that would lead them to the killer and bt decay he so desperate to communicate with them that he believed them. When they said, they couldn't trace him and this is another classic example of. Narcissism outing him. So police also at the same time, they pull up the surveillance from the Home Depot and the observant unidentified man in a black jeep grand Cherokee pulp alongside the employees pick up truck where the cereal box was found. So slowly, all these pieces of the puzzle are coming together and everyone tight of this investigation investigation was on the edge of their seats waiting and hoping that a floppy disk from B, K. would materialize and two weeks later it does. The disc was sent to a local TV news station in in the package was also a gold chain, a photocopied cover of a novel about a murderer who bound and gagged his victims in several index cards and one of which gave instructions for communicating with bt. K. Through the newspaper, the police popped this floppy computer tower and on it was one file that contained the message quote. This is a test. And it also contained additional instructions for further communication with bt. So the police looked inside the quote unquote property section of the documents that we saved onto this disc in they could see that this file had last been saved by somebody named. Dennis. Now, this is just a first name. and. It could have been a ruse i. mean this is something bg cab done before when police searched through the desk, they discovered in a file that had been deleted. The disk had been used at a computer tied to the Christ Lutheran Church. So the police a Google as one is to do when they find anything they pulled out the church website and they're on the homepage on the landing page more than likely was a smiling picture of Dennis rader presidents of the congregation. Police quickly learn the Dennis Rader was a code compliance officer for the city of Park City. Had An office at City Hall. In fact, located his address passes house and saw a black jeep grand Cherokee in the driveway the same vehicle that was seen in the surveillance footage outside home depot. After this cereal box package had been found in the employees pick up truck. So. We know what happens next he gets taken into custody. This is huge. This is historic. This is a massive victory for investigators who have been chasing this man losing sleep over this man and killing themselves captions man for decades but this of course was not a victory for the family of Dennis Rader. What's to come for them was in essence. Shattering. Well. So the FBI comes to the door. It's like one guy and so. Part of the problem is they send in an account like a count with the badge, not like a criminal guy to me. Not. Like somebody that knew how it work with climb back down. So he was completely like out of his element to do he was like, do you know bt Kane as well? I've heard there's like somebody named that back which talk and I was like a hurt. He he like strangles women. I was like, Oh, I had something happened to my Momma Grandma. So I'd like totally freaked out on him and he was like, no no, they're fine but you can't talk to them and I was like, well, then how do you know they're fine Finding is like your dad's been arrested on like what he he liked basically just drops his mom shell on me and my kitchen that my dad was tecate wasn't like we're we're questioning him or we're looking at him dad is btk. KRIEF is defined as a mental suffering or distress that has caused by loss or affliction sharp sorrow or painful regret, and they say that the grieving process hits you in stages. So. He's telling me this I. It was just like the shock of like you know when you lose somebody in an accident or if you've lost somebody, you know in a murderer or something like that unexpected looks. Like that like I lost. My Dad. And then the insanity of like all this stuff coming out coming out coming out. So I went into like physical shockers likely going into physical shock in front officer and he didn't do Jack Shit. You know like. Me Water he didn't get me a blanket. He didn't get me help. You know and I I was in physical shock for like five days. My husband came home we were young we were in our twenties. We didn't know anybody in Michigan. So nobody knew I was in physical shop for five days. That's where a lot of my messed up PTSD comes from for being physical shock nobody knocking me out. So. There's shock and there's denial. So I'm trying to alibi my dad. So I'm like telling the same thing I told you all this great things about my dad. And then I'm like trying to get the dates to alibi him. Then there's bargaining and he's like, Oh, well, there was one, eighty six. That was the nine hundred early Vicky regularly she was the mother of three who was killed as our children watched from behind a locked bathroom door September bay six and I am her ever heard of that one. And I was like, well, we were at Disneyland the month before. You know and I was like that's weird like to go to Disneyland and then you Dan murders somebody. Amman. And then I started it just something hit like it just sunk right into my God I am I even think about it or not they would do it again right in like right like how you know something and I also, I was trying to alibi in that first weekend still. Sorry, I made the mistake of getting online and looking up eighty case crimes even ones that are not his trying to alibi him now that I shouldn't have done that ever that really messed me up and and that's the first time I heard that audio recording from seventy seven. and. When I heard it I knew it was dad again in hindsight but I knew that was dad. Because like I would go try to alibi get worse and worse and worse depression reflection two more stages you know we're talking to the FBI they're telling us they're finding evidence in the house so you're trying to wrap like you go back and forth between data and bt Gay downbeat and you're trying to match the timeline line You know, and you're hearing these horrible things about her father. He's on all the newspapers everywhere is literally sitting like in the airport to fly home try and he's on those massive screens you know and he's in his orange jumpsuit and that's the first time I had seen my dad end. Orange Jumpsuit? You know. Not ever going to get that out on my head. and. So we ought to Kansas and we got me to my family in northern Kansas and I met my mom and when I got around my family, we did sort of the funeral saying where you gather all together and you eat like, Kentucky, Fried Chicken you know and you watch survivor or something, and you just hunker down together and so outdoor I had slept one night at my uncle's house I woke up and I I was finally done shaking I literally was physically shaking from Friday till Tuesday morning. So I don't think I, ever thought about all my. All My god Hama going to survive the next five minutes or how am I going to wake up tomorrow and I woke up Tuesday morning and I check my hand and I was like it had stocked and now was the first time I knew I was going to survive. So temperatures are rising all over the country and I don't know about you. But when it is hot outside, the last thing I WANNA do is be cooking hot food. That's why lately I've been skipping out on meal prep keeping things easy with daily harvest. 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So when I read that I was Super Confused about how I felt about it because it's such a strange thing to do to kind of put the daughter in in the process of. Nailing her dad because it is of course it's the right thing and we gotta get this guy off the streets. No matter what. But in the honor of our theme, which is like empathy in the family and all that stuff like it is something to look at because using carries DNA to nail him is shitty. For. Her all. I just don't understand what know. Perfect example because we've we've both worked on GS K.. K They monitored him they followed him they followed him to hobby lobby. They've they eventually got his trash and and we're able to do a one to one relationship between his DNA DNA left at the crime scene I. Don't understand why they didn't do that here why why they decided to do this Well my theory is and I consider that is that so The impact that bt K. hat on Wichita is not the same. That Jesus had on anyone community like Jazz K. was not even connected as being gs k. there was the original night stalker. There was Easter rapist and there was a sailor ran soccer until the early two thousands you don't. Be K. was bt K. from nineteen seventy S and I think and they were right because we will get to this like. With the amount of his correspondence being what it was I think they could tell they had John Douglas in their ear as a profiler like he's about to kill and I think. The sense of urgency was a lot different. The subpoena to get this DNA was was a very controversial move but this prosecutor in this they were on the scene team and they have been for four decades you don't even. Seem DA's office same police department like I just think it was like, Hey, we're GONNA ask for forgiveness not permission. When we take this because we're all. Aligned in Park city is a super small town to it's not California like. More scared in that town than anyone ever had been gs K.. I thought a very probably. An interesting thing that's totally unrelated to like anything that you guys are talking about because obviously I'm not like a professional true crime. Now Jacqueline No. But my first thought with that is like what an invasive. DNA type of a sample to be taking to write from a PAP. SMEAR, area. Area Ironic in it's like your father is like a sexually motivated serial killer that that is such an. It's such an invasive thing to to do to somebody, and that was kind of the I thought that I thought when we're of talking about that. Shock I've ever had is the nicest guy in the world would probably gave Makita Watch my dog if I had to it was leaving town Raider a Churchgoer at Christ Lutheran Church in North Wichita and not just any member of the church the president. Of the Congregation Council. It's consistent with what we had thought all along. It was an individual blended well into the community was basically invisible to his neighbors and friends and coworkers because it was just an ordinary guy rader alliance officer in Park City residents knew him as a stickler for detail paid herash your grasp in over west six inches tall or something like that. But Raider also handled animal control. You're about to the chaos and interview shot with a Raider on animal attacks in Park. City. Contracted a down the dogs are somewhat territorial as well as vicious, and we've been trying to round them up and crown. As best we can working with the reporting parties. Worthy shape were killed business reference books dating back to the seventy show, Dennis Rader as an ADT security technician. Since police have often thought K. gained access to homes as a utility employees. We've also learned another piece of information about Dennis Rader that matches what police have thought all along about the btk killer, the history with Wichita, State University and alumni book shows or graduated W. S. U. in the late seventies police linked to bt K. letter to a school copy machine and the brother of victim Catherine Bright reports bt K. asked him if he'd seen them around campus the haunting question now for police and then entire city does this voice. In crowded the best, we can match this one. You'll find over. that. Of course, a call police say was made by bt K. himself. One member of the Christ Lutheran Church tells me he knew Raider for twenty years and never suspected a thing apparently. WAS NOT ALONE On February twenty fifth two, thousand, five shortly afternoon in Park City. Dennis rader was taken into custody while he was driving near his home. One of the arresting officers asked Mr Rehder. Do. You know why you're going downtown and Raider replied. Oh. I have suspicions why? Then the FBI and the ATF searched his home and vehicle, and they seized evidence including computer equipment and a pair of black pantyhose retrieved from a shed. The also searched his church. His Opposite City Hall and the main branch of the Park City Library. As far as raiders response to being arrested while Dennis. Rader. was genuinely shocked. He asked Lieutenant Land where the following at the start of his interrogation. He said I need to ask you hook come. You lied to me how come you lied to me and land where replied because I was trying to catch you. Landlord told the journal that quote he couldn't get over the fact that I would lie to him. He could not believe that I did not want this to go on forever. And most people are aware of the fact that Dennis Rader has never been shy about confessing to ascends. When he was first interrogated, his confession was a thirty three hour long marathon in which he revealed each and every detail of his crime in a chilling matter of fact, and he also revealed the location of his quote Unquote motherlode of evidence. In wants Dennis Rader went to prison. He was interviewed by famed Profiler John Douglas as we mentioned and he also started speaking with in working with forensic psychologist Dr. Catherine Ramsland. and. He started corresponding with her and sharing information with her and he did this for more than five years and he still talks to her to this day I. do know that based on what carried? told me in according to Dennis Rader he says the reason why he worked with Ramsland was because he wanted her to uncover this thing inside him that made him quote unquote go dark, which is his language about what happens to him when he goes into these modes where he needs to kill and it's this element that he calls factor X. and. To, discuss everything covered in raiders confession everything he shared. With Ramsland, it would take months for us to disclose that here but here's some things that stood out to me. As particularly interesting. So Dennis rader described his ability to compartmentalize his life by quote unquote. By drawing a distinct line between his normal life and when he went dark like my dad was very good at like. Okay, I'm a dad now now I'm gardening now I'm walking the dog and my clothes, his clothes would change or now I'm a compliance officer I'm wearing a uniform and have a truck so I can stock you know or now I'm around police. So I'm GonNa look like more like a police officer and now I'm at Church so I'm GonNa wear, Church close and I'm an act like the Church Man I'm with my parents. So I'm like a sudden but if you think somebody like my dad or the Angelo or Bundy. Or these other guys they do. Have the ability to blend in. So well I mean that's one of their strengths, their ability to like put on different like mask close I mean by mask I mean like you know your human masks. Reader also confided in Ramsland that as he was growing up, he fantasized about tying women down onto train tracks, which you would see often in old movies and old cartoons. He masturbated to his father's book about the lonely hearts killer. Any personified his impulse to kill by calling it quote the mini. When was growing up, he started cutting out slick ads from magazine advertisements. That's what he called it. He would then draw ropes and gags on the pictures and he pasted them onto these index cards that he would then carry around with him. Any also described his preferred masturbation practices and he called them motel parties. So he would be alone in a motel room and he would bind his wrists ankles, cover his head with a bag and restrict his breathing. which paralleled what he did to his victims right and something that I found particularly interesting. But honestly, not surprising with bt K. as Raider came up with these like cute little nicknames for his most disturbing acts. So raiders correspondence with Ramsland he said that whenever he referred to something that he found particularly arousing such as getting spanked does child or the image of a helpless woman being bound and gagged. He called it his quote Unquote sparky big time, and he also had trophies from as victims and what do you like to call Heidi eels throat Wichita which is. Insane to be so creepy Heidi holes height. It sparky big time. It's. It's so makes it so much scarier because it's like it's a dumb bro Nicknames for things. Like a clown serial killer hybrid it's so disturbing. No, it's so disturbing and a lot of radar is at general fantasies focused on women's lingerie, and he particularly liked sat in pennies that belong to his victims. Each victims home he would take the time to rummage through all their stuff to take specific things that he wanted and he kept them in his Heidi holes but he also buried some tape them to bridges and kept some out his church. But at the time that he shared all this with rams lent, he couldn't exactly remember where all of his Heidi holes were anymore. He also fixated on anything bound or nodded, and he loved abandoned silos and he referred to them as castles fantasizing about torturing women within them. One thing that's really interesting about the silos. When I was doing some of the research he was referencing how much he loved. H H. Holmes Aj jumps had a murder castle and then he's from Kansas. So he thought he was being really unique in that. He's like the H H Holmes of Kansas He wants Word Barn with a murderer silo but he was still copying. It's still not a rigid all we know he was reading the lonely hearts killer book and getting off on that and he was doing who did he copied billy with will copied. He's he's pulling for different popping. Yeah. Definitely. Copying Zodiac. He's definitely copying son of SAM. He's giving clues to where he to who he is inside this at he was a student of serial killers absolutely and You know he was so much so that you know when he gives himself that nickname and then comes up with all these other nicknames that that potentially he could. You know he he needs he was getting off on not only the actual. Active. But people talking about him. So one of the most chilling reveals that Dennis rader made to Catherine Ramsland was at the time of his arrest, he was actually actively. Planning to kill again and he had made an attempt to kill again similar to what he did to Anna. Williams which is one of his thwarted attemps in the nineteen nineties. So Dennis Rader had even set a date it was in October of two thousand and four, and even stalking a particular woman who was the object of his obsession and he himself so with Katherine Ramsland from jail. She wrote a book and he wrote a portion of it in the portion he wrote included a description of his plans in detail quotes. This was supposed to be my opus, my grand finale, and to make a different I would set the house on fire using propane canisters and he said that he even went into this woman's backyard and knocked on her door probably dressed as some servicemen. Furthest Ruse that he would do to get in the front door. And He bailed similarly to what happened to Anna, Williams because. A City Street crew showed up unexpectedly to work outside the House on the roads. So. He reschedules right. This is October. He planned to kill her the following spring. He would wait a couple months but he was arrested in February. So his arrest ultimately saved this woman because there no doubt he's only failed once when in the form up Kathryn Bright's brother Kevin in the early nineteen seventy s but there is this problem with what Dennis Rader says right? The seems pretty fantastical. He's a pathological liar. So everything needs to be taken with a grain of salt however. The police looked into this and they did find that a street crew had been set up in front of this woman's House it on October twenty second of o four. So it's possible that this is this is true and I read a little bit more about this woman so. This didn't come out until Ramsland book came out in the police knew about it but they didn't want to traumatize this woman because he had been so close to doing it. And He didn't want like the public airing of this to really this woman up but she did find out and apparently land where the lead detective was saying that she took like a champ champion. This woman is a bad batch in super tough. At He's in jail I guess like. What you don't know can't hurt you and she didn't know that she is being stalked but he had been stalking her for months and he would have kept going Oh. Yeah. So Dr. Catherine Rams Lynch very close to my dad she wrote a book that came out in sixteen. She actually got permission to interview him and so it's kind of like this open book of My Dad's rain. my dad actually wanted to do it to help. Educate and help catch people like him. But also he wanted the attention because he's a narcissist and he oss and then the money went to the victims so they had to prove that. The problem I have read that book and I did use it for research and I have met her She's extended a lot of like friendship and kindness to my dad they talk on the phone a lot they play chest and stuff. The thing is my dad's really like. Non Reliable narrator because he's a pathological liar. So anything comes out of my dad's mouth you have to like run it through is he lying and so unfortunately even though he thinks he's trying to help like I that book across the room, the detective through it across the room. Like. It's a very, very difficult read. It has the crimes in it in a lot of detail. And then it half my dad basically throwing me under the bus at places my mom under the bus. This is before my book came out and so like it's just my dad being that narcissistic a whole be a. You know and so. Again like. If that's the only person you've ever met after he was arrested like the detectives criminologists I would see where they would say this guy doesn't have anything else there. and. So one of the reasons I wrote my book was to come back and say, okay, look we've got this book about his crimes Wichita Eagle did with the police it's solid it's got it's really solid and there's other books out there that are total crap that one solid. Then we got rams, which is basically like bt K. and then we've got mine and we've got daddy did a straighter and if you're going to learn about him and learn how to catch she size you combine all three. Raider was charged ultimately pled guilty to ten counts of first degree murder. And as part of his plea, he had to confess to his crimes in open court. For for Mr Farrell strangled. Or bag a reset and strangled then I thought he was going down. And I went over and strangled missile peril. I thought she was down home that I strangled. Josephine she was down and then I went over to junior and put the bag on his head. After that missile terrel will back up and. You know she was pretty upset what's going on so I came back. And that point in time strangler. For for the death, strangle at that time with your hands or know where the court with a with a rope. And then I, I think time I redid Mr Otero but the bag over his head. what over and then to junior old before that, she asked me to To save her son. So I actually I take the bag off and then was really upset at that point in time. So basically, but Mr Peril was down missile. Jerry Donna went ahead and junior junior up into the bag over his head and into the bedroom. What did you do? A bag of a quandary said of T. shirt a backseat couldn't care hole in it. And he said. died from them. When I went back Josephine at woke backup. Would did you do not take her to the basement and eventually hunger? Hunger in the basement yesterday. Did you do anything else at that time? Yes. I I hasn't sexual fantasies. But that was soon after she was hung. From the public's perspective, the we also adjusts were slowly turning that behind the scenes. Carey's life was an emotional ruins. Riding was the only way I could heal in a way nothing else could like I had done everything I had talked to therapist I had church had my husband I had my kids. Nothing healed me in the way that I need to heal writing and that was the gift that was given to me and so writing help me find my dad but it was like. It was a very cathartic process, but it was a gutted me. I mean I basically shutdown. Left all of my normal life and worked my butt off for four years so that I could heal and talk because. Like four or five years ago I couldn't even say Kay out loud like I wouldn't be able to look you in the face and so to get from that to where I can go on like Primetime TV and do it or do it live. I put a lot of tucked it a lot of it away after my father went to present in two, thousand and five. I didn't get therapy till two thousand, seven like I had ptsd I thought it was going crazy. She's like, no, you have PTSD. When she put a name to it, I realized I wasn't insane. You know I thought it was insane but I took a lot of it away or it can only processes Isa's or could only process in therapy. It was a very long like ten year process even before I spoke to the media then I kinda Sorta just threw up when I did speak to the media which I think you've probably noticed pretty common crime. Trauma survivors we don't talking than we do. We just don't stop talking. So. After my story came out than I like I had sent. So many notes to this journalists in Wichita Eagle that's big. Huge piece came out in. The spring of fifteen forgiveness tidy and he told me I had sending like eighty pages of notes like just thinking like answering questions and he and the journalists was like I. Think you're a writer. He's he's think really while in your writing because I can express myself veteran writing then I can't speaking. And so I've had like criminologists detectives tell me like they're using my book to teach in College. You know I talked to like some criminal justice kids in New York. Fifty kids over soon recently about like victim advocacy and I've got detectives telling me that they use my up now as a reference to profiling. So, like that's awesome like I never expect anybody to care or that it would make an impact. So I'm sort of like. I've only had one conversation ever when the FBI when he was arrested and I'm like, why am I not sitting in Quantico talking to these people? Like why am I not like why are people at clouds the Angelo like, why aren't we all in their talk like? Comparing outs. Carried in speak publicly until fifteen years after her father was revealed as bt K.. And on the heels of another high profile serial killer arrests in the form of Joseph Diangelo many have wondered if his daughters will decide to speak publicly as well. And when the news of the Golden State Killer's arrest was made public Kerry instantly thought of them. So when they're caught state, I was really thrilled that they caught him because I imagine that was sort of that big white mostly White Whitewell they would never touch you know. And then I also found out then really quickly. Yeah. He had children and I was devastated for them. I was falling that night. Knowing that they were going exactly through what I was going through you know. And not no not just that I'd knowing the rest of their life snowing here I am and how horrible is can be. You know I wouldn't wish my life on my worst enemy. And then to find out the innocent people are GonNa have to go through all this you know with the insane media and the media round golden state was even worse. Than Basic. Gay. Because likes there wasn't facebook thin. There wasn't twitter then. You know and so. Like we were we were harassed pretty bad by the media, but I can't even imagine what their family's been through. Doubt. No surprise to hear that Kerry still deals with pain and heartache over the truth about her father every single day but she's tried to channel her experience into some semblance of good. What's it's like to be the daughter of hysterical. I mean day day I'm pretty much normal person I. Try to be a mom. You know I'm a writer victims advocate you know so. I try to live a pretty normal life moving. You know we've been more careful about privacy. So we run into some issues with privacy You can run into issues with the schools. Schools do not do well when you tell them like a mom like you're the daughter of a serial killer you now they freak out on you so like when we moved we not to tell. The schools I mean I. Don't believe everything you hear in the news I mean they were saying I had kids. I didn't at the time they were saying I had turned him in I didn't turn him in I. Mean I did tell him about the murderer but I didn't I didn't approach the police before he was arrested and then they were saying that like my blood had like they had. DNA from me while they had gone to college and got it. So I did learn that stuff later on a lot of that stuff especially early on when these cases come out, everybody wants everything. Don't believe don't believe everything out there because they're still stuff out there about it. That's inaccurate. And then I think a true again like with the Angelo's daughter or any in time this happens. Like, you need to give the families crying to see like leave him alone dopey trying to figure out who they are. If they WANNA talk, they will talk and they have the right the rest of their lives, not to talk where they have the right to talk as much as they want. So I have the right to talk to not talk, and then I have the right to talk whenever I want. And because heals me but. For other people that don't WanNa talk they have the right to privacy and so we're all gonna like he'll different and we need to be patient with each other. Mike on our journeys because none of us are in the same place. In part one of this three parter we challenge you to be open minded about this concept of empathy and whether or not it was possible for Dennis Rader to possess it selectively. And obviously, there's no way for us to ever know the answer to that for sure. Because you can't get inside his head. And we can't believe a word. He says because he's A. Pathological Liar. We do know is Dennis Rader as bt K. was about as evil and cold as they come. While serial killers are rare are profoundly effective at causing far reaching misery misery. So dense that it bleeds into the roots of communities in becomes a part of them. So the best we can do is hope to find balance in neutralize such evil with extreme compassion for one another extreme camaraderie extreme good in his trait and cheesy as this is going to sound extreme hope for healing. In this theme echoes a phrase we say often about the true crime genre as a whole. It's all about restoring order back from chaos. And huge huge. Thank you to carry for being our first degree for this episode. If you have a story, you'd like to tell the story is too small or insignificant. So please email us at. Hello at the first Greek podcast dot com you can follow us on instagram. Alexis linkletter at Bill Jensen at Jack Anna Cat, the first degree please join our facebook group by searching the first degree on the search bar stick around because we're GONNA kill some time and talk about our serial killer names. And remember only you can prevent serial killers. And keep your friends close. By Why don't we go you say one word, one word bounce back and forth you go say but. Not that no no. Stephanie. Beginning. So Billy starts no you but But? Uh. Hilton. Sources for today's episode, include the Wichita Eagle Kansas Dot com rolling stone court documents, psychology today, and as always I agree interview, it was always our largest source. Oh, boy welcome to another episode of Qinling Time. I would just like to let everybody know that we have had so many technical difficulties today. It's like our first time recording all over again I'm feeling the stall. Jack. How are you feeling Alexis with your microphone literally falling off. I'm thinking it's time for new microphone stands for a remote recording but. I'm feeling really good today for once. We've got some good vibes going on guys. We did. We had a nice few days. and. It's all going to be. Okay. Maybe billy, how are you feeling? You're mustaches and facial hair is looking fantastic anger hairs really long you look. Down man you look sort of like Devon saw. I don't know who that is but. was. Heartthrob from the nineties and he had anyhow, he had a little bit of a long sort of a kind of swoop that you're you have going on. You look like a ninety hearthrob. Waiting to go that far he looks like he's in the ninety S. You can't give that much. Alex is going to that. Start being like, Oh, I'm handsome and famous. beefy. He gets his head gets too big if we give him even one compliment. So we gotta keep it reined in God to keep it rained in just remember deep in your salacious. Gave you a compliment just keep. Thank you. Thank you so much deep in my soul I'm still a really skinny kid that won't take a shirt at the beach. That's fine. I've given you plenty. So no comments for me. All right. Well. So this episode of killing time we finished our bt K. three parter and we thought that we would you know dive in the world of nicknames and all all these serial killers have nicknames some are given to them some. Give themselves one and I thought it'd be funny if we asked our facebook group, what are serial killer nicknames would be have you guys seen these? nope. I have not seen that. I didn't look on purpose because you told me not to because he wanted it to be funny. I. Knew You would spoil it if I didn't tell you not to. Okay. So are you guys ready? Yes I'm ready I and most liked one from Gen just for me is Jack The ripper. Jack Sippers. Good right. I'm sipping right now. You really are, and you know I wanted to make my aim screening back in the day me when I was thirteen years old I wanted to make jack the ripper but J. A. C. The ripper. Somebody. I love that eleven, Jack, the sippers better. So it's good. You didn't do that one so you can do this one. Yep, and said. Next comes from show and she says Mines Jack Attack Alexis, obviously the tank and billy. Is Not a serial killer team it's not but billy is. Slender. Billy slender men Johnson is has vote. Is Pretty Good. Okay. The next one. Let's see Vanik the vulture this one comes from Warren Vanik Vulture Alexis, it's. nope. Can't even pronounce that Alexis Xfinity. Is fixated no just fixate. Alexis fix it. Sounds like a perfume it sounds like they want me to expect. Alexis expatiates and billy phantasm. Gross. I Hate Billy's minds. Cool. 'cause it sounds like it sounds like she wants me to fixate which I'm fine with and then. Yeah Yours is good. All fine. I'll take them all okay billions and that's it except bellies and the next one we're going to find billy a good one by the end of this, this comes from Camille Billy is the dreadful detective. Pretty. Good. It sounds more like his. Pro Wrestler name the dreadful detective yeah. Yeah there's. Some Monaco? Hell. Yeah. It turns into a Ninja Star. MONOCLE. It me to those. No. Do you guys know xena Warrior Princess? She had those? Brings. Throw Yup and then come back tour after it slice someone's head off he has that but it's a monocle, and then he has one that's a pocket watch and he can. He can also swinging around in a chain. that. Yes, it kind of makes me think about like a mortal Kombat character like that is like your choice him. Would you like the detective? Are we gonNA keep moving I think I, think that should be a wwe wrestling personality. The dreadful detective has not been a detective wrestler. There was boss man who was a police guy, but there has not been a detective so I'd like to see that now. our next one comes from Ashley and Alexis would be the April spritz assassin. o- hell to the game. Ashley yes. Back, Yup I would be the Nile later up pretty and billy probably wouldn't get any because everyone would just be like, yeah. Okay. Probably should have seen that coming. Up Let's go this Meg says Jack is the scene slayer billions McDonald's murderer, and Alexis is the Lizard lawbreaker or the Amphibian. Arsenal. Oh. Yes. Now people getting created. into this really creative. Katie says Jack Attack. The stay awake pill killer Alexis Hell Yeah. Kill all killing all night. And All Day? Me Wicked. All your murders would be in the middle of the night. 'cause you're the only one awake. A lot of murders by serial killers are probably in the middle of the night but a lot of just random murders are caused by like meth fueled upper fueled. So yeah. That makes sense. Okay. Britain says some of these are just one of us. Jack is the crop top killer I don't hate it. Angie says, Jack is the Vanik panic which I really like wow it's almost like satanic panic I'm feeling it alexis is the meticulous murderer. ooh, that's good. Sexy and billy is the small world slayer which I don't understand I'm into that round, but it's a small world after all. These are pretty good then yeah. Okay. Next is somebody else's said billions slender man Alexis. Alexis. Is the organized killer. I mean, look how she organizes the show Bonnie says, Yeah Yeah Bonnie and then Jack is the mermaid killer get in trance. When I listen to her talk and I trust she is almost like home mermaids would lead sealers into bad places and then Bam who I do not think that my voice is very nice to listen to. So thank you. my mom just texted me and she has an idea she says billy needs to be the oath slasher short for owl poem slasher. May Come on. Taxi that from the other room yes she's paying. I'm recording at my parents house. My mom is listening from the other side of the door and she's like, I've got the answer. She always does that may she always says Okay Dara says, Jack will be the punk rock punisher. Love it. Alexis is the type A terrorist and billy? Okay. Wait a second. Are you feeling this? Check. Is that instagram handle available because I feel like the type eight terrorist is something that like resonated in a way that I never thought anything would or could I've never seen so excited anything entire life. Type A terrorist. Yeah but Alexis, you might be a little bit jealous of Billy's from Dara because his is the chicken nugget night crawler. I'll take that. If you're gonNA, see me in bellies relationship. So adversarial because that makes me hate you billy. I know I knew this one would hurt you, and if anybody could see how why Alexis, his is got as I described that I know you so well, that I know that nickname belongs to you and a fun fact I learned about Alexis, this weekend is that we're we had a a get away this weekend together and with jared and she their daughter on their daughter. moral. Of the story and we're talking about when you're hung over like everybody needs that one food you know. Food for some reason, I need Sushi and Alexis means a nugget. Yup but here's the reason why here's the reason why Alexis is disqualified from any sort of nugget nicknames because There are wonderful sauces you can use with the chicken nuggets and Alexis prefers ketchup. Yep. I, also learned that should have you should have seen the heart attack I had when we got to the beach with our chicken nuggets and I was like, where's the catch and Jacksonville? We have ranch me of honey mustard we got all the tosses no catch up I'm like, what's the point? I think I have one because I was so sad there was no ketchup ruined the whole day I just that's the fun part about nugget is you get all the sauces and you can get from Saas to Saas and maybe I'll do a catch up but I probably will do more of a barbecuer ranch for Sweden or hot mustard. Not. Even worth it if there's catch up. Okay. Next one is. Nida says Jack is the social influence or killer tate. Alexis is the so cal tank. Not, that sounds more like a in like. Heidi clue is like the body like that's more like a like my some other like hot girl Hypothetical Hawk girl named the so cal tank is. Cool check. It's not me, but it could be okay and then billy is the investigative murderer, and then this is what I like. From Eliza, you guys. If we were like a a a team, we would just be jab. Jab is perfect And Billy. This is now this is my favorite name. The MIC. Murderer. Is really good. Is Anything more perfect. or it could be the. Word plan the. Hamburglar. Ham Murderer. Burglars Pretty Much It. What this I got to think this through I'll revisit this some other time after I ruminated on that circle back in about a week when you don't get any sleep and you just think about this. Yeah. Exactly Marie says billy could be the original slender man just like gs k. was the original night stalker. Right. And lutely like though on the best. Honestly like has anyone seen salad fingers guess that were doubt Billy's salad fingers I feel like I have salad fingers sometimes, I would really billy like body type in like height and like. gangly sort of vibe and like. Black and white and like he doesn't like solid, which makes it ironic. Always either salad if it has taken it and French fries and no lettuce. Yeah and like. Butter and rice was GONNA SPAGHETTI throwing buttered rice in there and some spaghetti ordered I was just GonNa, say believe we ordered that from that Japanese place once and he got spaghetti. Came with your stake that was I started recording. So was when I was first writing to get to know you billy and I was like this is a very This is move choice. is still stand by it. I still stand by it. I stand by all my dietary choices. Sometimes I'm like, Billy what are you doing? He's like I'm eating a piece of chicken just took out of the microwave I'm like a piece of chicken he's frozen. Like frozen piece of chicken that you three migraines. breaded on like. My, God. You, guys there's a few more left. And then I think we're good. CAITLIN. Says I'm the festival. Tau. Love. It chooses based on the headliners Alexis the so cal siren. Men Down to the Marina beach, and then you can just like stay at my apartment when you're done. Right. Yes, and then billy is the Disney dark prince leaves a Mickey Moniker on office. Ask. Trine, says billy as the OWL ornament offender. I like that one never gonNa let live that down the. Jack is so these are all A. elaborations Jack has the SPRITZ, the sprit stains strangler, which I do appreciate because I do spill all my drinks and Alexis the LA lockdown. Lunatic. Whether I feel seen. Time in a long time. That one that one's you. Wow this is really solid. This is it's teaching us a lot about ourselves. And each other and all of you we thank you for and you guys know us so well. To the L. A. Lockdown lunatic is like reverberates into my soul and into the soul of all my ancestors. All right. Guys an amazing job. I think we should call it. We're at fourteen minutes and thirty seconds. Baby Be.
How cities are detoxing transportation | Monica Araya
"This. Is Penn Badgley hosting today if you WANNA, learn how to take real lasting climate action like I. DO I want to invite you to join countdown? Ted's new global initiative to accelerate solutions to the climate crisis. So. Here's a talk from the countdown. Event given by electrification advocate Monica Araya. To hear more of these ideas and get involved checkout countdown dot Ted Dot Com, and subscribe to the countdown podcast wherever you may be listening to this. Show people all around DC antiquites. My guests engaged I liked his sprinkle in a fun factor to. Next stop Dupont circle also here's a lifestyle tip for you try apple pay. You can now just tap with your phone or watch to get on the bus or train all over the DC area azure smart trip to the apple wallet than just tap to ride apple pay on iphone now arriving on Metro. We have known for a long time that air pollution kills people. We also know that climate emergency is happening. These are hardly motivating facts to start a conversation, but actually here to share good news. For the first time in our lifetimes. A big detox of transportation is possible despite the many problems we have. Or. Perhaps because of them. The lockdowns of twenty twenty have been tough. But they also gave us a glimpse of life without the usual noise congestion and pollution. Confronting us with questions about the way we live. The tailpipe is a symbol of our worst habits habits that we have normalized for too long the burning of one, hundred, million barrels of oil every twenty, four hours and the extraction behind that oil. The fumes choking our cities, the greenhouse gases going up in the atmosphere, an overheating our planet none of that is normal. Nor as air pollution. which can shorten life expectancy by after ten years depending on where you live. This is also a matter of environmental justice because air pollution hurts everyone. Biting hurts the poor and minorities disproportionately. The good news is that things are changing. Take CDs. I People around the world are demanding clean air and cities are responding by banning petrol and diesel cars mostly by twenty thirty and twenty forty over thirty CDs in regional ready. This second, the CD space is going through an overhaul. Do much space was given to cars and CDs I reversing this by blocking traffic from certain streets by giving the streets back to this trims by making the streets greener and safer especially children. and. Third CD's are also prioritizing acting mobility such as biking in woking in the pandemic accelerated many of these decisions from Barcelona to bullet. Series are opening spaces for bike lanes for commuters, sales of bikes and e bikes are booming in many places. Pirates is pioneering the fifteen minutes city. To put essentials within a walk or a bike ride. All within fifteen minutes I live in answer them, we're a profound transformation is underway. After already promotes biking public transit walking. So, you might be surprised to hear that even in Amsterdam there is a problem with air pollution because of road transportation that is why the city of Amsterdam has a plan to go. Free. By twenty thirty. and. The plan builds on the idea of an expanding zero-emission zone going from the center outwards in three faces. By twenty, twenty, two old buses and coaches take leading in the city centre must be emissions free. By, twenty twenty, five, this zone expanse in all public and commercial traffic must be emissions free. pouting buses, coaches, taxes, vans, small medium, and large tracts. That also includes markets, ferries and boats. By twenty thirty, this zone expanse further in by then all transportation must be emissions free including personal cars in motorcycles. No more tale types. And that is just nine years away. Leaving here in witnessing firsthand how Amsterdam becomes a front runner of electric mobility is a powerful reminder that the bake societal imperative of having carbon emissions by twenty thirty goes beyond nudging people away for personal cars. The systemic change we need requires that all modes of transportation missions free. Powered by renewables and we have to achieve that one making sure that we're needs are met as citizens and ask business in to do this, we need to electrify pretty much everything. Status cannot do this alone. So we need national governments to play a fundamental role to the European Union. For example, has co two emission standards for vehicle manufacturers, and over a dozen ovarian countries have set up plans to face south petrol and diesel cars France by twenty forty, the United Kingdom Twenty thirty five. China in California have mandates to accelerate the manufacturing of zero emission models. California just passed a rule. That requires that fifty percent of the sales of tracks in the states are serum missions by twenty, thirty five, and all of them must be serum mentioned by twenty four, thirty five. This is a game changer for the trucking industry. Fake manufacturing is shifting towards electrification look at some of the milestone which wearing thinkable a few years back foes Vegan has converted aspirational of plant into one that will produce only electric vehicles. dynevor is halting all the development of internal combustion engines. Tesla. Is, more valuable today Dan Mobile. This year. Public charging plugs hit the one million mark around the world. Fleet. Are Shifting towards zero emission. Models. Amazon alone has ordered one hundred thousand electric delivery vans in nearly ninety level companies have joined ev one hundred an international initiative to electrify fleets by twenty thirty starting now. These are still small steps compared to this Kale of our oil addiction but. They signal. A new direction of travel. was really exciting is that the technologies we need for this transformation are here today commercially available getting cheaper in getting better look at batteries. There 'cause went down ninety percent in ten years, and there are new opportunities to repurpose these batteries for energy storage or to recycled them. Once they were down the race to zero needs capital. So, we need more urgency directionality in the financial industry because it is heavily invested in fossil fuels to rage scale and speed, we will need clever combinations of finance policy. Look what's going on with electric buses? China has a fleet of four, hundred, twenty thousand electric buses compared to six hundred. In the entire united. States. To put that into perspective, Santiago alone has four hundred, fifty, five electric buses in growing. Thanks ingenious financial arrangement. Africa now has its first manufacturing plant electric buses. MP. Four G. Global Initiative is working with emerging economies that want to scale lamp the electrification of buses Columbia is first in line the signing a fund of two point two. BILLION, dollars to electrified six thousand buses over time. There is there will be resistance to change. There is even an inability to imagine that change is possible. In reality change happens exponentially. Look at what happened solar energy. Exponential change can bring turmoil if they decline of all industries is not managed. It can bring economic dislocation and jump disruption. Be Wiser to prepare and design just transitions. Now rather than later. Here's the bottom line. The end of internal combustion engine. He's within sight. The question is no longer whether this will happen by. Ten Years Twenty years it depends on us and the choices that we make these decades. So now is the time to vote bigger faster towards a future without tailpipe. Future where we can meet our transportation needs and have people friendly streets. A future with a thriving economy and clean air? A future we choose for the climate in for our health. Thank you.
Episode 21 The benefits of exercise on mental health
"Listening to comes. Talk a podcast. Brought to you by the service uses and professionals from eastland. Nhs foundation trust a podcast. Way you can hear discuss debate and challenge issues around child adolescent mental health in the uk. Everyone and welcome to another episode of cans talk today. I'm going to be your host rather than nikki. i'll go some very big beats to fill. But my name is ashton callahan. And i am a service. Participation worker for bedfordshire leading. And the reason i'm hosting today is because the topic that will be discussing israeli placed by heart base professionals on And that topic is the benefits on mental health or physical exercise So we're going to have a little talk about the sudden pressure to start exercising more. As soon as lockdown is announced and how actually convenient be more challenging especially. We're not lockout in january now. We're going to talk about the different options that are available for exercise at the moment of some of the praise and some of becomes days on. We're to go onto will come out the benefits of physical activity more generally off physical and mental health. And then we're going to talk about the retrial. Say it's a lot to discuss such a lot of guests joining me. So introductions going to start with you sam. Would you like to introduce yourself. I saw a take part in the unwise guidelines regarding unsettling on sixteen along with council see-saw. Great thanks sam molly next. I am me sixteen savage Quip comes participation. Great thank you money. I'm rachel would you let next hello. I'm rachel months on and on a level force coach and iran the yoga. Foale the cans on your mind session. And i said to other. Yeah i'm chad gallagher. Who lives game council laughing. You roll kaji nights you. And thanks for having me on rob lindsey. I work full bed for bar council. School team am i coordinate. The online activity burgum at the moment and included more school than young minds. Here talking about today. And i'm pleased to be testing. Thank you roll benign. You've also participated in men's mental health forecast before say you'll returning so obviously not have bad. Have you back again. J. did introduce yourself get on. Jade and i worked fifteen beds in. Which is the active partnership for bed to share on the coupling officer and essentially on projects kind of children and young people. I'm testing thanks. Jade and last percents of the not least clay. We like to introduce yourself a high on clara work. At the university of hartford china's mcclintock traum manager specifically managing the reggie trial which is looking at using exercise as a treatment for depression. Young people see my first. Podcast am very happy to be here as really great. I have thanks for joining us what we really could start with. Is this this pressure. Suddenly start exercising will in lockdown. And how actually it's it. Combined not more challenging to be excising. In in those circumstances what kinds of things that people people found difficult by exercising knockdown you to stop is immediately. Thought that says exercise facilities exercise with it being took code outside Lack of exercise at home on his lawsuit interact with the motley. Relied boss yeah. Definitely anyone else found. Found some of these challenges. I know i passed a founded a lot more difficult to keep exercising. Because i like a lot of people will work kind of nine to five. Maybe sometimes latest joke and he's always cold and dark when i finish work. Say the idea of going out for broad which is like one of my favorite things to do just seems less appealing and also it feels a lot less safe as well going out as a young woman on my own running the streets in the dog. Just the feels as a slight risk to it. And i started running in the fast lockdown in glorious sunny march and i would get every warning and go and how all of daylight time to be running in definitely found that more difficult and islam. Now will he. yeah. I completely agree with that. I know that with the i got. It was so easy to get daily exercise with it being sunny civil Hall on it was nice to get out for family will and runs in the morning when nice chilled out or is this time. It's a lot more difficult with snow in the rain. It's doc code and like he said the nine to five job by the time he finishes already picked black Does so dangerous to go outside like that especially alone. It's pretty vulnerable yet name. Thanks and i'm wondering jade if that's the kind of things that you've been hearing even doing research into this. Not all of its completed. They have been able to analyze all of the data What kind of responses. And you've been getting when you talked to young people about exercising at the moment. So so we've been hearing timber towards the end of november last year and it was focusing on children. The young people's kind of motivations barriers and challenges to to get involved in this quantity and unless changed massively due to the ongoing pandemic. And we we're looking at kind of how their habits have changed from the first lock down to kind of you know the second one in november to where we are now and as you say we would not quite finished clayton as you know. We had a really good response at over a thousand responses and but we hope the data that we get from it will help kind of shape projects moving forward across luton bedfordshire and we understand is really important to get young. People's views and opinions from the survey site fought with with saying kind of seventy one percent of young people less active during this period and so as soon as we find surveys of what will share it. And i think that be really useful coming out with the first lock at all of it was round Young people don't have access to extra curriculum sessions. When they went back to school obviously the schools were very challenging. School was just folks on that kind of education and getting them in in schools was difficult enough. Extra curriculum. probably wasn't didn't go back and on a personal level. I play football myself. And i've taken up running since the lockdown similar. Theo ashley found it quite difficult actually and going out when it's dark. Can you know running by yourself. It's county doing ten. So yeah i'm on board of the challenges you're facing stage just really interesting to hear a and i think one of the other things that the when. I'm thinking about lockdown at the moment and trying to excise one of my favorite things to do with going to the gym and i'm just thinking how limited options are at the moment when it comes to to exercise. What do you think he has relied long before. Lock time all my exercise with my daily activities itself. So walking to work walking. In between. When i'm going to meetings just getting lynched and a factor on having to work at home. I made that is being take taken away. So the just the natural things that i was doing have been taken over them. Be doing a planned session. And i am so spoiled after work. And so i'm i'm finding that difficult to keep up all of activists that are used to dial basis but now i'm pretty much confined to highs where gettable the move is not yet completely agree with you that klatt and pass on volunteer departments. Go inside a lot. Might actively is my walk in the morning from her skull which takes about hof analysis. Perfect time to listen to any podcast. It's my it's my daily podcast period To just listen in chill awoke my. I am especially in december in pretty cold That has put me off tow. But now the new january vice on conquering school anymore. Said just like you can from not getting anywhere near as much as i was when i was walking to school every day and it it really does have a huge impact. That often goes unnoticed. Definitely yeah i think you're right. That is something that goes unnoticed. Because i knew we were going to do this. Podcast we'll be talking about. This is something that i hadn't even thought of You know. I used to kind of gal my way to use the stats are going to work and owners as little things that just make the difference. To the above exercise you gained the day so As well as being less kind of classes and options like that the gym just less hopes in general right. You're did you have something to add just listening turkey audience nodding in agreement because a here unfailing employs evacuations failing my yet a teacher nestles cuts parents love to teenagers. Who got through. Exactly what mine salga and i kind of see it from my teenage children. Once you what else what we do know weights but we sat tommy. That i look at focuses. Start looking at where folk cost. Time days. And he sung or the british. Because that's many a window you can get out and the other thing i invested in common and because i can't run as much either now my knees went allow it being that i walk so which has been great little investment said that when i go out walking i can silent onto malls today tomorrow or treat weekend teaching so not scenerio. Costs having occurred when it's sunny in the day if you could get out nominating and us not opportunity most night this 'cause i the more sunlight get more if spirits mood and it's good for skated united's general wellbeing and then dominators aside and that's been great so he can go out and even our snowed Trust just a few things and just trying to timing rather than to this mcconnell that wall count if touching could i go out and made like i say i'm willing to have homeless being much In san mateo run three miles today. But come walk to to just help me. Mike kits by seventeen sixty and haven't been able to get out of school no colleges of a really get while sam Amalia saying but also equally from sports coach was that to just some of the things you can do a have. I completely agree with you. That right joe. I am last summer when it was lovely sunny and bright. I m going apple watch and for my parents for making it through high school and sang setting. I'm not has been cited may as well like like hussein about woking school in the morning. I would like to time i. We'll see how off i walked and how long it took me. And i recently within say dreary and wet and i am still going out walking. Readings waste In because there's not much else he can do with other people other. Thank out for a walk. Say we dig out for a walk and recently invested in roller skates. Savable begun out on. Roller skates is well. And we will go out with the aim of will king to sign one shop just tip gabon drank or chocolate on the way and now be also of a reason for the walk but without actually ended up working for four hours. Get hibernate psycho. We just won't ten k. I mean how did that happen in asia. Just get carried away. You don't realize how much you enjoy it until you're doing and then it's like what did i do. This more often less brilliant. Yeah it's funny. You're saying that money. Because apparently i read in the paper the other day sales of rollerblades and roller skates of like eight hundred nine hundred percent. Think it s something i. He's loved doing when. I was ten years old and completely forgotten about but it just shows how rule thinking outside the books the white but when it comes to spill physical activity not doing the things that we usually would do a rope Have yeah are just getting in a site. That's really good advice from Off really How it's been true lockdown them trying to stack in having already place to be working but what can from high maine's there's tons when you can't get a little exercise don running the different online sessions that we're having a coffee group. The other day navalny was talking about different activities. they'd been doing walks and things and audit steps comes from my phone not done eleven steps. That must have been a trip to the coffee machine in back twice. I think ended it flat distinct one room so realizing habits Being doing and yet trying to out and we will listen to cost something really good advice so i think can yet routine for me has been something in trying to get the hang of really long things have gone on each lockdown. John establish time of day that oh go out for keep fifteen minutes just is there in back in that kind of thing to keep some sort of routine i think. Quite good idea yeah. I think that's really good advice rope. And i think is really important role you. We're all kind of working in. The kind of physical activity is related somehow and we are all struggling with it. And i think is really important the way discussing this because this is much pressure to be to be active at the moment and it seems like everyone else is so i feel like it's it's really nice to. Hey we'll sharing these experiences you know. We're not the only ones having a tough time with willie. Yeah i completely agree with that especially back on what you said about jim. Call says the before knockdown obviously member at the gym. My gym has a poll and to me the polish. Like say it's like i've had a bad day. It's fun discount. Swim for annella. And even if i die just dive into the poll in the solana just. The atmosphere of being in that environment is so great for everyone to how and especially now everything shut again. It's like today back Lost like a lot for exercise was coming from being in the gym would swim thirty forty six day just to get that exercise in and to get that positive mindset govern again Ridiculous given analogy. Jim shot just like caught that anymore. Yeah it's really interesting to hear Molly's experienced on how much the swimming made liberty positive. And i think that's something we will go appreciate it. We're rule china challenge for a number of different reasons experience in different struggles and challenges webinars. What can from home you know. Homeschooling apps not having the environment around us where we can get out when wall can enjoy enjoy nature and yes around in. So i think it's important to not put pressure on yourself of you know this what everyone else is. During our think we should appreciate it unites. You can get out of ten fifteen minutes for walk. Then you know what's better than nothing not brilliant and on the teams constant myself so i really struggle to go out and exercise on my own and why is i just have to have someone with mail. Whatever is still run into not could start right now so i could do someone there to keep me go in. But i've found the going out. It might be a facetime a friend while walking along and be on the phone into someone and you know you you keep in that social interaction and your exercise as well when you just you realize it because you just the way with the compensation because you've not spelled out with everyone in a while so you know. I think it's really important to appreciate. Everyone's finding it difficult for many different reasons. Yeah i love that. Jada completely agreed. I i have about grounded danz and the teams will is is such huge things while you don't realize how much you get done as a team without realizing that a mike. My friends from dots way or online. Now on we have a day. Stretch kloss Designated twenty minutes law but only stretch we chat on for we never Stretched out to the point of maximum flexibility without even realizing it just because we conceptualize time and a ninety rating agencies. How effect that has until oculus. You think jim. I really enjoyed dollar. Make sure we do stuff like that again. And i think that's actually a really nice segue. Thank you guys. Because we're discussing. How difficult is when you're used to excising in a community face to face and getting to know the instructor how difficult is suddenly going from having all of that support around gene to try to exercise on your right. And i think this is where the the bedford sport life offer comes into. Its iron because the the traditional kind of ye chiba house. Swear you tend to be just someone or yoga kind of shouting at you to keep going and that kind of thing in a where the bedford. Sport live interactive live sessions. That that's where they. They already make a difference a rope talented little bit more Absolutely when he So since march in law share in the first lock down we did decide. Did not many options. What we do something online off a people the option to find the an easy way to join do lately exercise in gentlewoman And we very well as Discussing is not now replacement it doesn't have. The same effect is going to the gym. We'll see him people. But i think the fact that when you can see there's other people that the number of people is numbers of how many attending and he's law do feel more engaged to complete it and myself thinking. I'll do a youtube video in a minute and get halfway through and the washing machine bacon call. Okay finish certain. I'm hungry now. I know that when when you all alive you know the person you enjoy a white make sure do it. And hopefully it is an option to have the life but it's even is a wide program full entr anybody this on the website and these things every day things like yoga and tai chi and donaldson and things like that and she's is afraid there's option to to make a donation if you can contribute but it's on the available and you just click on the links drops into the class and young people specifically wanted to have something where there was adamant Lot mornings tolkien. About option to see people that you might now regular habitat and catch up so it has wonderful would be really nice to wet together on shelf ashley Two team saluting support us without delivery of the region we can fund it sustained this project and so we have yoga with right opportunity chat and a catch up. So is that allows people to actually have interaction and say how do how the feeding sell think. It's it's really nice to have that on a weekly basis every week on a thursday from full for clocks waste happened to join the justice program if people have other ideas and things that they'd like to do and water is the best thing that we can do and we're pleased. Is there on anything. Yeah it's such a good offer that you've got in such a variety of sports as well. It's great to be to get the word out there. And i know sam you've been attending the yoga frigate few weeks now so how you found taking pau also. Having online sessions has met them Still too young. Monday ago. I've been able to take part in Live sessions never ever wanted to arrange informed Base to chat on accessible to all the live sessions as well as pre recorded live sessions because it is more interactive as he can ask questions english. Speaking out trimble's stretching relax End the Aspect to on joining the cutting help is under beaten ending. Lucky move is then preached the next sessions as option to come assist. I think this is good. Because you worry about me and you'll you'll earn customs face week The instructor Jealousy is maintained. Thanks to that. Farm is so great to hear respective fee to share and there are the things that we kind of hope. I think me enrolled when we set this up. Were hoping you know. Obviously it's not the same as face to face but there's got to be some benefits to of participating without you. Cameron could be a lot less daunting than walking into a room for the first time. Your first yoga session. We know the instructor and you don't know where to stand which mapped to go to grades his ear enjoying some of those benefits as well. Also wondering rachel if we get your perspective on these sessions because you are off the well for me i have to say. Yeah i mean like rob said. We've been doing year now. Ten months which is hard to believe in virtually online ten months. And i think the key thing here which makes us unique to stand out. Move as a hundred As you say you choose. The camacho is is that. We're not by coming into your liver. sunday yesterday. Didn't actually You'll house rachel. 'cause i'm in every thursday i mean living room and i i like that lovely suggestions okay. Well we're all in this together about really in this general as unit you come into my house. I hold your hand trendy sessions. I think the young people but outside the full participants. It's not connection. It brings everybody a little bit. It on peels a few more layers so we feel more connected Rather than just use is something battling instructions. Have you on a matt. Hampson people and i think maybe that connection though it's virtual somehow is really maybe it makes us feel less vulnerable. It makes us feel part of a community. Say even if it's online unless things really important when people are feeling uncertain about a sexual would and maybe hoping to dispel some of the anxiety that feeling by bringing it closer and feel like you're virtual family. It's a lovely thing for me is instructor having not been unto allen teach avenue rich those you get one to while it gives me structure but i think the live essence obe it makes us unique on people around the country who have nothing on his local virus. Councils my mother lives in norwich. Has nothing not happened. Fringing manchester and a few friends in london. I think if you look around the country such an clad is it'd be interesting to see how many city borough councils or actually every as much as we all in beca chair to that people to local people participants and paul shumate wrapping our arms around. And say we're looking after mentally physically emotionally offer. Nisa is that really needs time. His unique i think for me. It's the life vest Because in young persons. I always say to the artisans. What you next week. What part of your body you want were. Do you mind meditation or would you not do some breathing And certain last week's stuff from the is because of course saying screens lot more is dry. Sore and i disobeyed on computers. We all fire ten minutes. I exercise so each week. Try and tailor. it more impersonates Again he want you d just to that needs great rachel on sam by the acknowledges welby availability of it now to everybody. I know the last lockdown the first one in march. I got back in dogs off the participating in it for probably octa being dr fergus. Three years until it was great to have that space for could rekindle something. I loved so much before but in a non judgmental space. You don't have to walk into stadium with leads different people when you have to push yourself as far as you would socially in in a social aspect with meeting People want that can be very overwhelming for north pinto especially myself into it was it was starting to join is a choice of you can have camera on camera off yet to be seen by everybody and you can join from the cup of your high beside you. Don't have to look after famous at why you can just enjoy this really great to hear that. A the united slightly less daunting aspect. They'd have to keep your camera. Often make they social connections in a way. that less pressured is something that you've enjoyed. Were of the very few positive things maybe to have. Come out with these lockdowns. I was wondering if we can. We want to talk about the kind of mental health benefits of exercise. We pass near fountain. Molly want to talk a little bit about whether you've found Getting involved in dance again or any of the other loss of movement. I know you do have how you found out through mental health down yes Joining god's again was a huge thing for me because dots was a big part of my life as well as gymnastics said the at eight years of primary school beginning of high. School is spending a gymnastics Physical activities Of friends for sports and team activities Pressure on me. And so when i go into Nine so thing. I did quit. Because i knew that i didn't have the mental capacity fate doing everything and it's difficult to keep up with studying or vassal stuck at the same time so i did stop not have come to regret because it's something that i do love doing. So when i was getting invoked without get last lockdown it was such a relief to be able to love something again. The i did before. We'll get involved in it the pasha because it meant that i got involved with outdoor don's in the park when mysterious was shot and so thoughts probably seven alright holidays and i'm sorry. Many amazing friends just park that we would bring up yoga mats and like roll up foam camping mats. And we'd use them for stretching and then we'd work flexibility Strength muscles built such a family united site. Great to hear everybody's strengths await in the to help every day at the same time on even now nearly a year later my best friend was found that on cheap still remains my best friend and we became friends three times and then offer thin heads down a little bit. When september king around return schools. I went back to the street. And i got back into dom as i had before and i met so many incredible people that would just like mayhood said tina light. I gave up to something. I love doing because i couldn't handle the pressure This is really just give me a break in a chance to sink. Why am i giving up something. But i love doing so much. The actually has Great effect on me and it really did lockdown was immensely challenging for everybody myself past It was really hard. Unite the stinking at breaking point. I don't know how i'm gonna i'm gonna do the rest of the three four months of not doing anything not going anywhere but it it really did have such a huge It will be back out without negative mindset and it was like you have a raised up in the morning. You have something that you have to go in day. You have someone you want to be an it really did bring about place. I think that something so important for everybody else think was well. He might be considering taking up doing something like that. It really has a much bigger effect on The nude realize this amazing to hear that only because obviously united the mental health benefits that you might traditionally think about when you're talking about exercise is things like endorphins and science. He stuff to head the the community that you eat the friends that you've made and everything that you've been able to access achieve as well as the kind of thing endorphins. Infrequent in your performance doubts that kind of come along with that Sauce really great to hit. Thanks sam it would be great to hear from you. What kind of mental health benefits to you experience when you exercise exercise bandits toyland a makes me feel good hockey. Relax until not more has seen any joins a Saw each day so that you got time Body unlined that really great to his. Thanks yes ma'am. I completely agree with you. That so great to have something like just pushing the reset button like you could be having a adulthood i. Everything's going wrong tonight. We will have that. He's like that however much people lights admit it own. How bad ask it just seems like nothing's nothing's why cannot. We wanted to a lot of times that you can say you know what i'm gonna go for a run. It's getting cleaned my head. And i can come back from that fading lockup distraught marathon. Actually i've just been up and down the right a couple of times and it really is just like pressing reset on your emotions and saying like he could bring my south back to to where i am unfocused like this is all bad. There are posted. Still an okay. This great ahead exercise can do the full lead. And i think it's really the we don't just talk about how things like running more traditional forms of exercise as we would know it. Because when i think of. I've i've on my own kinds of experiences. I've been very structured with the exercise. That i do and i used to think i've got to do this to run this many times a week and weight train this many times a week but now when i feel like i need to move my body is when i move my body and that can looks like dancing around my kitchen or it can buy going out for a run It can like whatever feels best for me at that. Time subscribes to hit that you will experiencing that kind of emotional reset that you get. Did you have anything else to add. Money yeah exactly that really. And i know that love influences as well as Who say like alexa cise. So great running. And but i now i feel like quite a few people that suspected in say there is more than one form of exercise Baladora she's an actor and she doesn't Like aerial silks and the way she described it was it's escape ability to fly and started knife anybody's ever what But it can be setting Above everything and to just legal the negativity down on the floor and gap on the celtics and just move sounds amazing role put. She likes things. That sounds really cool. Yeah interesting yeah. I was gonna say cynthia selfish thinking i think of blood because everyone's different in how much school a lot to do with. How much accepted wouldn't do and it's been difficult time so much because lot. Jadot and social aspect to sports huge. The may nothing life pressure on myself. Detroit maintain doing things unfounded really hauled the yukon really good accepted the jimmy's place. And that's kinda. I a big frustration. So i'm looking to have people around me never Reminding to have compassion for myself. A little bit the like you said. Sometimes it might just be a walk in that enough. That's okay would you might not do anything either. Their days attached to anything. is fine. Nothing's going happen to. I haven't done too much today. Not struggle with. I don't know the annapolis up under pressure to to do x amount of stuff cannot do and learning that can have come compassionate and try something new. I've tried to do online glossies in different things. Number four is yeah coupla law which utah grateful. Yeah hopefully fast. One thing that we can all take out of lockdown is that that would pressure to just keep exercising and having to exercise everyday and completely transform your lifestyle. We've all the time it just doesn't. I certainly didn't do me any good. An when i kind of exercise that compassion instead and changed it. Just you know what actually. There's no reason i have to do this. Every day is just pressure on myself. It doesn't make any difference to anyone else. And as soon as i kind of let go. I wanted to exercise so much more. Because i was enjoying the benefits rawls than punishing south. Because i felt like i had to do it. J georgie lights out. Yeah just listening to that. You know it's really relatable. I think for people and it's great to hear about molly's Busy and sandwich roll bits. I think this periods we all looking at this quantity bit differently. Actually an how. We can do things. And i think as well that's raising opportunities to find something that you enjoy and i definitely get that kind of revitalized feeling off to go in our. It might be a dog diets rain in an authentic which could carry on work. You're not doing really eight. And then i'll go out from the walking. You know any be twenty minutes thirty minutes not come back and i think our just so so refresh just walk in the fresh edges sing with going on around around you and i get nothing. You just feel completely different positive Rate than. I think you know lot rob said if you need to take time out and econ connex so. It's not that you know that it might be you. Try again the next day. I think it's just important to to you know. Listen to your body and how how you feel and do what you can during these these difficult times and hopefully will return to some form of normality in the future. Yeah definitely really lost to hear from you rachel what. The mental health benefits are figuring when you exercise. Because obviously it's it's such a massive popular. Joe collectively just hailed effective. Wow listening to robin j there. I'm not away on sam because one of those people minis muscle rely kind of schools coach. Ngoga used to beat myself. If i hadn't had a mile swimmin- mile run every day. And i've done cincinnati twenties as well this lockdown and subsequently i've had to reevaluate. What does exercise meek name and if movement is still exercise even if it's getting away from classic my halsey be pounding and that's what i think walking just move and had helped because benefits just being outside graded russia jason looking around maybe in connecting to the fact that you buzz now if you just listen robots tweeting live events. Get ready to pay rooms in the ad of all coming out said if the main connection between taking away from traditional exercise i having to run Week to slow me down walking and realizing the keys exercise. But i'm still getting away from us That you have to somehow sweating in order for it to be accessible the benefits huge. Gina uplifting factor. If you take his wife and g- refuse either twenty minutes. There's been studies on when you come back. You will focus you concentration levels. Go out so i think it's really important to realize that even a little bits of movement and i use not what is i don't like is is weighted with gil. Gil an dishes although eat must be this area but a little bit of movement suicide is beneficial whether lots out if you folks stretchy hamstrings tired seven. Gb sitting or breathing deeply because you just Or stretching your mom's walking around the garden nut so as you call set of exercise name. Traditional concept is the towns head thing. Yeah i love what you said that right to you said i'm sitting not in a way you talk and i for me. My original gulf getting into a quite exercise was originally. It was twice offs and Of influences are constantly posting. Oh you should do this delays. Why that all should be didn't as should be doing that. You should let let s but it really is not true so everybody has a different day. Everybody has different metabolism. every different. Needs just because you can run ten k. Every single day does not mean that everybody else has stay Like i said about dawn's. When i go into i didn't look the same as the tiny little dot says the could get their unqualified iran's Typical stereotypical up. Tomago was simply splits. Because that was something that fraught my childhood. I could never day and i did. I stretched what i felt like it. I pressure myself disrupt every day but it is impossible. Let's be real ninety. Can do that it. Has you end up hurting yourself more than you need to take Said you know what. I'm going to stretch when i can. I'm gonna walk when i can. I'm going to work myself. Just because it's something that i want to achieve rather than something that everybody else is telling me i should and so i did it and i walked for about three months stretching when i could when i felt like it when i felt like my buddy would allow it and i managed to do the splits and then i probably sounds like such a little thing but for me. That was huge because it something. I'd always lacked confidence in Of dont friends are incredibly flexible Such a great thing in sports while is that everybody has a different ability. And not everybody's going to be able to kick a football hundred yards. Not everybody's gonna be to hold their ankle by maria. The are not full myself. And when i had achieved was such an incredible failing to say i did this not because the internet inciting telling me. But because i wanted to i wanted to be able to deal with his co. stuff unlike. Wow that's incredible. You can train your body to do that So just skyrocketed My enjoyment of exercise. 'cause i thought if i can try myself to do this what else can i day and that was when i really liked became cardi think what accepting of my ability and say like i can teach yourself to do. This is gonna take time and it's going to take what some a few tears away. But i can do and i did and i started running and i started swimming on swim information such a great outlet because being under the water whether nobody else around you know the noise so serena in pace f-full and it's just such a great escape from everything else that's going on. I mean you sit and watch as in daylight kosh really They need to swim. And am i go. I ninety pass Ira defoe flanks. Twenty in i would treat myself ten minutes in the sauna and another twenty but i still can't towns with the fact that it's okay if i don't do that because i'm not awaken. How the fiscal capacity to push myself to my limits and it really was about coming to terms with the for me Positive mindset to start with a low of it was about weight loss. And i was trying to run a mile. A day will try to swim. Footsie lengths today to fit in with will somebody who exercises should look like but really Ed rubbish to be honest. Because i can't exercise looking how i look. It doesn't matter how you let everybody has a different boat. Not everybody's saying ato. And so you really have to think like everyone's gonna whack a different pace. Everybody's gonna land from eggs Wants to accept that and then it will became fun for me. It was like. I can use this as an escape but it's also having a great effect on my body is keeping me healthy. Eat me fat. But he's also gave me a great mindset unjust just to someone in from my perspective. I remember the Telling about your goals to stretch every day And just knowing that that was what you were trying to do and you know obviously supporting whatever you wanted to try and achieve but you know now hearing your perspective and looking back i remember you saying that in the east seem to be saying and putting the pressure on yourself and doing it. Because that's what he's looking back now. I can see you were doing exists for what you felt. You needed to do. An arm reflecting on. I think it was last week. One of our meetings and you went. Oh i've just on a stretch session and look. Hey i can do the splits and it was like you won't be doing it for you because that's what you want to lay let alone about trying to do. You're just doing one hundred percent. It was like i haven't done in a good three or four months since it getting dreary horrible outside in guide. I can look down in the studio blazing on i. I just set myself one day. I didn't say twenty south directly my best friend said to me. I notice that you're struggling And aren't going to try and help you out of that. An isis okay. Who already doing and she said well. Yoga join australia's ross again. An infamy that wasn't a major challenge because this was a greek. I've been in politics for the last year. And i've been on the creek before pre easy for me to just jump on and say hi. I'm at when i did that. Everybody say welcome in and said oh. I'm so happy to see. We haven't seen you james. I hate your dividend k. On exactly that. I did one session and came onto participation meeting off towards with my fire and said look i my. I can hold my aunt coupon. My head i just it. It amazes me that multiple is capable of. It's is just crazy. I think i mean rachel's mentioned acceptance seems to be the key in the You wouldn't trying to push your body to do something you are accepting it enjoying what it can do. I think that seems to be a bit of a theme from what we've discussed. Is the the motivation behind what you're doing. And why you want to achieve weight with drawings with your needs to come from a good place. Ideally and if it comes from replace the pressure wanting to change your body than the mental health benefits that were discussing. Don't necessarily go along side. It and i'd love to hear from you class because we've discussed quite anecdotes. They are experiences of mental health and physical activity and exercise. And i neither ready. Trial is doing wolf scientific research into the link between the cheese. Do you want to tell us more about that. Yeah it's been great actually listening to everybody in high tight doing some physical activities. Positively impacted them in china every mindset almost by themselves and exercise and what what their body coundon. What's good for them. Might not be good others. And that that's brilliant and there's a lot of science behind this so not gonna go into too much of it but there. It's where it's so. Well documented by the positivity that any physical activity can bring to so many different conditions including mental health. I mean you mentioned earlier rushing the endorphins. Which when we type party physical activity body releases that homer which is the happy and it's not surprising. The model of you signed so happy to do these things because you probably probably releasing the this whole nights and that everyone probably fail. At the end of their exercise. You often feel exhausted but you also light it at the same time and this maximum after one to do more because you want not failing again and it's sort of like just does how to capon gonna just do. He can an interesting fact. He's a lot of chronic. Health conditions including depression actually linked to high levels of inflammation. We shall have a very detrimental. Effect within the broader physical activities shank to reduce Busy stomach information can be created from from these conditions so it does help the budget battle the these topic things and we traffic. Nineteen that reducing information of echinacea even more of a benefit night. So they ready. Trial is interesting. This sign tom. Point of physical activity together so those huge acceptance of the benefits of exercise on health and wellbeing. However there is no real prescription exercise a will do as when we want to. But what if you could prescribe. Physical activity is an actual intervention for mental health conditions so as it like cognitive behavioral therapy. You can't slim things like that people on these programs. What if you could actually be the on a program of activity where they design it for you. You take part in these groups was on your own and trying improve your mental health in that in that respect and this is what the ready trial is looking to seeking so young people thirteen seventeen. I'm with living with low mood depression. And we'd like to save. We can prescribe an exercise program. That would improve. This in terms would also interested in. It doesn't matter what of exercise. I think we lose it too early. Does it matter what you do to myself. Fulfill better stretching help you have to go for the traditional runs things so we're looking at different intensities exercise oil so comparing high intensity exercise like hit training thus lowering ten Latis visit to. Do you have to get that hot right. Took to get those endorphins to get that benefit and there's very little of that kind of scientific evidence even everyone accepts. It's it's good for you. There's very little evidence from an actual so clinical trial which is considered a gold standard. When you will test new interventions and treatments abide by excellent counting proved the symptoms in mental health in young people and the ready studies constantly recruiting young tight paths in the in our trial to answer this question. Molly s something you wanted to add. Yeah i i love thought that concept player about treatment with physical activity The i see personal trainer. And i know that the trading can be incredibly expensive for what it is and luckily on very lucky with the gym that i attend that they run a peasant training program alongside your membership. So i meet. I met with a personal trainer. We addressed my goals for my ability. Physical capacity of Day we said. I want to be held on to be that an emmy walked towards will candidate to get our guy and within a couple of weeks so i was everything we'd walked on. I was finding easy Was something huge. May when i first started my program looking at these exercises i was doing and say icon disease Three four weeks later. I would smashing it. I was saying you're going to have to give me something a little bit hard. Because i'm finding season now a the mentality of realizing this is something that i couldn't do a now. I can do that. That was energizing. An it just makes you so to realize you are capable of that. And i think that is something that reading east incorporated into treatment as well. I think it's great for somebody to be able to say. Look we think that that you can do this. And it is going to bring some happiness and somebody to site up to you and offer you help some amazing yaron. Hopefully you know. We don't want the outcome for the trial. V but as he said molly Password training expensive and money county a barrier to accessing exercise. So when we're when we're talking about this may be if it could be prescribed as an intervention for mental health treatments. Maybe we could make it more accessible in some ways that will high intensity exercise so that would that would be really nice outcome if that was possible. Rachel was this something you wanted to add. There is thank you just a question declare really. I mean i find i assure recliners. We've only the nuggets. Batsman pointed out. Classic exercise know running swimming cardiovascular. And we'll your detrow car have a pandemic affection. People you cut that non-conventional sort of exercise night. Perhaps yoga walking pilates. I mean. will you already trauma. Actually look about and i think it's so interesting. She cited that nothing is being done. Looking up in the non sort of like plateau has less classic some exercise regimes side in people who des with a bang effect on the mood typically from active as that meditation loops in attack. Still my mind went. Stop often automated very already feeling anxious But studies have shown and again some bit ascot of yoga in india. Just deep breathing can help. Not any sort of greg knock has covid senses incredibly good for the vast region but also could lift mood so yeah just questions. The player us mckay absolutely in that very very interesting and obviously is being quite an impact on. Our trial wasn't planned we. We were supposed to start last year in march when we pretty much went into lockdown time. And we've had to adapt to the new situation and as such. We have had to review exercises. You are and that has opened up a lot more to us because we need to be covy site social distancing thing things like that as well So yes it will have an impact on the study and hopefully will get some answers. Abide by during the course of the trial and will be asked to complete choir. Schnur right the exercise program so we we might guy there little bit by hyper failing but the different courses which is why the high intense diversity low intense talks. The question is really going to be interesting to see the results. Is there a difference. I mean a lot of people. Think this traditional data that you've gotta you've gotta sweat. You have a high heart rate to actually get any benefit from exercise but any condition including mental health is is correct. You can easily solve like work. You unusual your mind by lower intensity. Exercise is not might be exactly what's needed for someone with my mood and depression. And i showed that they're exactly the sign. Then you don't need to be an athlete type part in these programmes this can be open to anyone and because they activities we suggesting accessible for everybody so we're not too expensive equipment or anything are you you. You can just stretching if that if that's what you choose to taipa in parties do some trying which you can do. We have to run online at the moment so a lot of things are that kind of chat iced activities things. You could easily in inside during lockdown as well so we'll be very interesting result to save threes difference during those two intensities that will lend get some confidence. People aren't as physically active achieve as of this because as well young people if an working at johnson pandemic alkan have money to buy expensive equipment will may be able to afford passenger china Lucky so yes. Cove it whole restrictions but impact on people's ability to access all. That room may be determine your your study of more absolutely and the original plan was to run these programs vice at asphalt partnership in years obviously we adopted dove. We initially dr to socially distance but still vice defies night. We've had to complete the online. So the excellent protocols we started with have changed three times since we start planning and now because they will be doing them in their own hands it very much as you need have the bare minimum of what's required and i mean most of the things can be done on the spot with no equipment required. You just need spice. How an not much you can obvious things is on the spouse size hopefully will be accessible to everybody to encourage people from all of like areas grinds to concede taking taking heart cannot just briefly in one below baps abuse you think bedford sport live and become yoga is all you need is space. You don't even have to yoga mat or need to chat the chang a hookah And a towel or Again if you go the money let's face it many losing their jobs. You know finding financial differences. It's more of a reason in a way to make accessible. Sounds like you've done amazing amount of work contradicting this trial to suit the very unfortunate circumstances of the timing but also sounds like is going to be an amazing amount of implications from the results of this study It sounds like it's going to tell us an awful law which is fantastic and hopefully we can. We can have you back home. Maybe with some of the young people who participate in harrow. About how the trials going no any results that you get because it would be great to keep updated now with left cocoon games. You know how it's going at the moment we are. This is the fee recalled. Feasibility studies smaller study before we go to maine trial so they were looking for rights. Young people at the moment for these days but we will be increasing fiber thighs and the mind today. So it's going to be going on a while and will hopefully i am vaidyanathan. Nightside by implications. This could be such a cost. Effective y will pay full mental health. Services to treat people in an alternative to anti-depressant therapies. All kinds today it could have massive implications from real whole bryant of 'em views and a. Yeah it's amazing and it's amazing to think it has been done sooner that viscount lights and if there's any young people who were interested in getting vote in the triaud okay. How would they do that. So we have a website and you can contact the research team from nine. That's readily trial dot co dot yucai You can find out more by a sturdy on if you ve interest to you and then contact with three dot why we're on twitter as well So you just follow us. Ready trial amateur so savio deitz. Which will hopefully we're going to watch. Stop putting things a bit more right there on social media so people can find and as we start understanding bit mobile bay publishing hopefully so he can get there yeah. The website will give a lot. More information is the most accessible white game grave clan And while we're while we kinda plugging availability rob you wanna talent little bit about the best way of getting involved with all of the bedford spoil life activity so got going and tell us all about fantastic websites out with the county discussions smell. Yeah absolutely if people would like to join the sessions that you can visit. Www dot com Live see all the coat. And i'm sure we'll be able to find that information online by contacting us flyer email you can email myself robert lindsay at bedford dot gov dot uk over People have been contact with you. And but there's video Sessions and people can say find out more information on mental health support from national organizations as well camps who. You've been really great to work with a few years myself. Jaden rachel sessions. She's great and then there's also Y. program every day which is so focused on mental health. Buffing because we've discussed lost. Our site of this book us is that an exercise beneficial people's mental health site than www dot bedford Live dot c. R. d. dot co. Said all my contact details and information for the session. Amazing thank you guys. And we'll all the links up to this below the podcast where people listening to as well. So they'll be readily accessible. Been amazing talk to you day. I think we decided we were gonna finish this podcast with some top tips for keeping active that the moment I'm gonna stop. That's what the tax being the hosts that after. Worry that you're going to take a little tip say mytalk tier would be after reflecting on all these conversations would be to look at why you're exercising and if you feel like you have to do the exercise and maybe that's why you're struggling with it so mytalk would be really a more kind of philosophical reflective thing to to question why watching the exercise and eating it because you have to do a session today or because you've had a long day and you just want to exercise and how a reset. That's my top tip molly. Would you like to go next. Yeah an i- mytalk tip would definitely bay walk to nothing more than your ability in Everybody's body's different Two different capacities start. Look at somebody else. Thank i need that. Why can't i do that. Every single bodies different at muscles evidence from biden's everyone is different. elderly wack to your invalidate. So you have to remember. You're doing it via south not to be somebody else hangs molly. What about you. Jade well Separately it's on quite wealthy families. Actually it'd be around leland often so let me said if you knock filling up to it where you're having a down day a tough week if you can ninety gals a ten fifteen minutes. Then you know you still doing something. And you're still moving in some way and you will fill the benefits you know when you go back within hong smooth or you know refreshed mind. So that'd be much tiffany. And i don't don't compare yourself to anyone else. Everyone's thanks state. Clinton will joe talked. I think from my point of view. I if you feeling overwhelmed by start an exercise you know someone who was doing a previously and you think are conscious star running. Don't stop by running. Stop by just walking down the stairs. A hyme stop by just walking down to the bottom of the road. Your your body will start adopting tweet that y so because she self and accept what you count rather than trying to think of the end goal try and do little bill up to that thing and even if you do five minutes it's better than nothing so just because the government has said you can allow for so long every day doesn't have to do that so You know do what you can when you come out such goodwill and so articulately worded thank you. purdue tonight gain hicks I think things would be to have compassionate yourself the elia Have to do something every day you can have as guilty. Can you can try something not enjoy it into something else. And that leads me onto to try something new Missing things. I love doing which account do in raw off the plane for them in which Tried to new things and Found them hard enjoyable and been as you mentioned different kinds of things Lindy hop dancing. So i've been having to go out on youtube and it's not easy it's new at it. Keeps me active so troy something new that a lover judging. What you're doing it just enjoying it. Sounds amazing rachel at your top chipping. Oh well i think. I said everything ready. I wrote down inside. it came was sized chunks. so we can do things in bite sized chunks. My best said if you ran before than the A wealth by the just stop being by ten minutes will around the block even save. You can funding from love you too because when you will control tool can you end up talking long on walking phenomena and also if you've got access to appreciate everybody does even just a little space where you can make a outside. The fussing amount in yoga was the hands in the us is to release that. Make us feel good. So the soil in the hassle of the outset gandhi just planting something ticket his tummy Have grounding a very central infectiousness and the field of factor. the things again farallones from soil to mike. You feel good and if you've ever spent a dichotomy being not only do you end up with a backup to actually feel good side. Maybe if you just a window or a little little piece of gross outside plant something your hands in soil and you'll be amazed how uh thing and ungrounded that concealed. If you go going on a little bit of gardening can come have mazing. Facs do something different. Yeah i love that. Rachel and you know. I've never really thought of gardening. As when i think of traditional exercise in sports but when i think about after i spent the day in garden maps be shattered. Stephanie hard work. So if i keep raising something like that. This knows traditional but still has amazing benefits and found. Would you like to share you. A top tip Could be activist. Sightsee a state. You got pilot of zola's times reporting wrong. Yeah love not the the emphasis feel and fuel nine and taking that time out is ready to hit. That's exercise does view. It's amazing to hear all of your talkative. Thank you for sharing their everyone. And it's been a fantastic podcast to be a part of radio articulate and had some great things to say say. Thank you for coming on. I have it's been a good experience. He will and i hyped. These top tips and everything else you've discussed has been really helpful. I know we always. I mean i ways need to remind myself of these things. I'll be listening to this podcast just to remind myself to be a bit. We'll compassionate or maybe just the benefits of how good i'll fail after. I moved when body when of done eight hours at the desk so hopefully the information that we've said that we've discussed will be really helpful. Everyone listening and thank you so much being evolved everyone in you've been a wonderful host. Thank you. I've really enjoyed it and learned lots. Thank lashley in st joe's good spin. Thanks for in right here. It's been a good experience where he will thinking. You've been listening to come talk a podcast brought to you by the luton and bedford comes team and the luton bedford. Service usa participation group. If you'd like to him from us just go over to come talk dot com and subscribe. You can also subscribe on itunes tunes. Spotify google podcasts or any of the other platforms that you're using once you've subscribed you'll get notification on your device. Every time he released a new episode. If you want to comment or share your views you can contact us on twitter using at comes talk or you can send us an email using info at comes talk dot com one last thing before we go. Don't forget to use. The hashtag comes podcast. Whenever you comment on social media speak to you soon.
Sponsored Episode: How Security Architecture Is Shaping Up for 2021
"Hey there listeners. Join us today for the special sponsored episode of seven layers where we'll be joined by fort nets chief marketing officer and vice president of product. John madison today. John will be discussing twenty. Twenty one's outlook for security architecture and how security platforms are converging tune in will thank you so much for joining us today. John for this video with sgx central and fortnight's john madison. So let's jump right to it. Can you please talk about about how the markets evolving needs have really pushed security towards a platform architecture yes so for shores because customers drive that digital innovation and the faster these days what happens is they tend to increase their attack. Surface both from people being on the network or the network expanding older applications moving into cloud away from cloud and so this this attack surface as built hope and really To to cater. Full the threats whether you know you know it's state sponsored over. There's ap's the whether it's ransomware rings. A platform approach. Because you can't just protect one piece of the net a network and applications and uses and so Customers looking platforms that not only color endpoint to just network will just the cloud cover both using devices. They come the network and the applications in the cloud platform has to cross that. And then what's also happening as you look inside the endpoint devices you got now. Iot devices and factories ot enabled ip and so definitely the platform needs to have debts and easters airs economy just superficial crossings. Each of those areas in eastern woking detail the points on the network the cloud so on that note what would you consider the hallmarks of a true platform so to speak. One that can holistically protected entire network. Yeah so the platform these to have. The brits fools needs to be able to cover. No let's take take access for example needs to be able to cover a both endpoint security network access control identity in network now is a lot of edges which have developed. So there's a went edge which refer to as esti land is a land. Age is the data center as the cloud agency. Oh soon to be the five g. L. t. h. And so from a network perspective needs to cover all those different inches and make sure we saw not only do cover them. But you can build an integrated converge. You'll security a networking. So you have the security driven solution these edges then from a cloud perspective. Obviously you've got different types of cloud sas night. S to data center locations need to be able to cover the applications themselves protection as well as the different platforms and beach. Cloud ventas slightly different platform and weight works as well as out. Networking all those things to covet. And then you need to make sure this totally integrated so you have a single policy engine single song. That comes all the information. Because the end goal is to build automation automation from an operational perspective of adding uses changing and conflicts etcetera an operation from a security perspective. In if they find something. I can automatically mitigate that by taking us off network or changing the security posture so with the movement of automation and of convergence how is it hushed. More vendors towards platform in product consolidation often the industry for a long time around. Do i go to a platform approach or do i keep buying so pulling solutions and sometimes of point solutions. Okay for specific issue. And if you go back you know if you look at the history to go back between two thousand two hundred ten the endpoint vendors for the most important security vendors and they try to consolidate everything on the end points. They went from simple antivirus and they added other components. Quake this kinda sweet. So there was the point vendors then kind of transition because dato leave the the kind of end points and being the data center in through the network and so you have the network security vendors who then also took was a staple file oldham connections to file builds out next gen firewalls as a platform as we go forward. I think the big change will be as a platform built across endpoint network uncoached now now cloud and so customers are saying you know some of those functions that i had before the war. Point solution as commodity. Let me just put pot of the platform and be focused. My results is energy on things. Which i want to invest in. So it's not saying again. It's not saying by all speak to a customer and they'll say well i've got thirty different solutions point products on all saying go from thirty down to one. What i'm saying is go from the down to seven or eight but make sure those platforms into war together so obviously this requires in architecture hall on that know what kind of architectures have been seen organizations moving towards for their security platforms. Well i think one of them will definitely. Seeing a lot of interest in zero. Trust access is often two zero trust network access which seems incorrect to me since its application access network access which is the traditional. Vpn piece that architecture you know assumes makes no difference if you're on or off the network it uses a access proxy to provide a security in control contextual provide identity components for using devices. So it gives you this application and then context contextual information supplied possession. That's one architect one of the problems. Obviously with you know when you absolutely architectures is that You try and build it and you've got five different vendors. You're trying to build it from fifteen point solution you to proxy you need security. You need identity you need you. Need these contextual engine management so customers when try and build it across maybe five six. That's one. I think really important architecture especially when i think people are getting more more often on the net welcome back and forwards. It just reminded with zero trust architecture. That's really important component. I also think the sassy which is used to the security access services age but which is more of a framework But it really looks at those ages. I talked about ilya tonight. Protect the cloud edge the ball of the marketplace. Today is more focused on I would say a secure web gateway and proxy gateway in the cloud own moving it from on premise into the cloud. Fullwood the sassy. Architects contextual include multiple components the piece the cloud. Hp's caspi fast something. You'll find four or five things in the architecture from from a sassy perspective. And i think on the on the on. The cloud side is multi cloud marketplace architecture across across multiple clouds but also multiple components with insight those clowns ranging from just woke low protection to contain a those i think are the big areas of i think architecture that the custody celo kasinga's zero trust a ugo sassine. You this adaptive cloud so overall how is fortinet been aiding in this vendor consolidation and this platform building well We've always been building a platform and we've done it differently. You know i think a lot of maybe some of our larger competitors Have acquainted continued to acquire components o big chunks and and then bolted together somehow and that's proven not to work that well the bench try to do it Back in you know fifteen years ago out the some screen back of try to do the last ten years we will out so we believe like an old ganic. Delana platform is any way to build a truly integrated platform that then goes on to automation and so we continue to build out with dean to do it. We we'll buy some components but then he's small and the lake we then integrate those recently quickly do think our approach to building on the platform is is welcome. Well we'll continue doing that. We just recently announced off forty arrests seven with three hundred plus new features across the platform from endpoint network to cloud and i think customers really appreciate a consistency of delivery through all phony s operating system of but also the new functions and use cases. It's a the provides. thank you. We're just about hitting the end of time john. Is there anything else that you want to add. Well i think we've seen Already a pretty huge back into the supply chain of the solar winds incident that no those devices have privilege access to a lot of things i think people are really reassessing how they look at security and cybersecurity how they look at the networks and how they can enable that digital footprint going forward in so what i see is the ceo and the cio and the security team and the the networking team will can much more closely that. It's not just all built a network on. put some security on of it now. These days i think people are integrating networking insecurity. An from the stop building out an architecture versus just putting in individual solutions. Well thank you so much again for joining us today. John and twenty twenty one is going to be very interesting year for security though. Hopefully not interesting is twenty. Twenty was indeed. Thank you thank you for joining us again today for this interview with john. Madison of fortinet.
Extra: 'Cars: Accelerating the Modern World'
"Hello and a very warm welcome to Monaco on design extra. It's the show brought to you by the team behind. Monaco dedicated weekly design program. I'm Josh Bennett. Each episode we have our engines and accelerate into the mechanics of an issue idea or person that we think deserves just a little bit more attention this week. 'cause accelerating the modern world that's the name of a current exhibition at the Victoria and Abbott Museum. In London. It looks back at the history of four wheeled vehicles and their impact on shaping the world but how is the role of the cash shifted gears over the years and with autonomous driving allegedly around the corner what might the cause of the future look and behave like the funny thing when you think about cars today you think about them very much as essential tools for getting around so a person buys a car? Go from home to work and back to home again. My name is Brendan Cornea. And I'm a senior design curator at the Vienna Eh and I recently curated. An exhibition called cards. Accelerating the modern world at the beginning of the history of cars. Let's say in the eighteen nineties when they first really start going into production. They were really toys for the bourgeoisie. They weren't functional at all. You need to have a mechanics brain to understand how to keep them operational how to drive them and they were also very expensive. It was really kind of elite few people who would own these things and you know. Spend weekends racing their friends out in the countryside and really the first thirty forty years. The history of the cars is this kind of eccentric invention to experience the joy in the thrill of speed through early marketing campaigns. Actually different car companies. Trying to figure out ways to sell more cars to more people so not just about the idea of going for extremely dangerous race with your friends. Michelin itself is a company starts off his bicycle tire manufacturer. They think it'd be great to make automobile tires. The only problem in France in one thousand nine hundred when they're thinking this is there's only three thousand cars registered in the country so they have to invent a reason for people to want to drive and so they come up with this guide so the guy does a really handy cheap affordable in fact. The first one's were freed. They gave up thirty thousand copies at the Expo in Paris. And they're really. They're suggesting you know what you don't own this thing yet. But went into great for you to have a car and be able to enjoy the idea. The ROAD TRIP COMPANIES. That are doing amazing things like inventing. Ho- new concepts and in the case of Michelin invented. Essentially the idea of the road trip. That's really important. Understand how cars were sold originally because we still live with that impact today. The idea of speed where people wanted to race each other cars would be sold on their horsepower. And then this idea that you could get out of the city and you could go on a road trip. Those are two fundamental ideas that you still see in car advertisements today. You never really see a car advertisement looking at some guy. Waking up in woking and getting on you know whatever motorway and his dreary commute the nobody wants to see and so. It's really interesting to see how the early attempts to sell. The idea of car have impacted its development over over. Its history what I think is really interesting now and we think about the future of the automobile. Is that these legacy ideas of speed and freedom and the idea of the open road and the idea the agency of the driver you know putting the driver behind the wheel and they have the choice to go wherever they want to go with these new technologies that are being suggested so namely autonomous driving. You're taking the driver out of the equation. The history of the design of the car has always been about the driver. A reflection of what that drivers personality is allowed motor to be a personification of power? Let's say once that driver doesn't exist that completely changes the equation for what the design of a car might look like when you also look at the idea that we're moving away from this idea of ownership that you might actually just call up a car to take you from one place to another. The car gets reduced to this really functional thing and actually doesn't need to have much outer expression at all if you look at a lot of future car concepts one of them. I recently wrote about is not a carpet a bus. Go GETCHA bus which is designed by MUCCI and. It's a design for an autonomous buses. That will help a remote regions of Finland for people to get around and the remarkable thing about that bus. It's designed by now to focus our who's also designed a lot of other new projects and it has a remarkable kind of uncanny resemblance to another thing he designed which is a toaster so the mood you Tester. One of the most beautiful testers is around one in my kitchen. It's a simple white rectangular box with smooth corners. And so you see a lot of the tricks. That car manufacturers used to employ the design of cars the fins the spoilers overly large bonnets to suggest the largeness of the motor. All of those things are no longer relevant in this kind of new future where we don't own a car. It's no longer really an expression of personality and they become much more functional black boxes looking like toasters or iphones or whatever other piece of technology that we have. Many thanks to Brendan Cormier. He's the curator of cars accelerating the modern world. He was speaking to our producer. Mainly Evans a special thanks also to london-based Sound Studio Coda Coda for those soundscape which you can also here at. The exhibition is on at the Vienna until the nineteenth of April. Do Go along and Saturday. That's what we have time for this week's mini mid week show. If you're eager for more about design a nor the stories we tell them. Do Listen to the full length program ads on Tuesdays at eight PM London time or is available to download as a podcast. Often you can also subscribe to the show and then you won't miss a thing last thing for me. You could always pick up a copy of monocle magazine on all self respecting newsstands now or heads of Monaco dot com for more about us. I'm Josh Fenner. Thank you very much for listening and goodbye
Beautiful You with Special Guest Elise Grey
"These are the things that you don't plan in life, and then it comes your way, and you think wow. I believe inside every one of us is a beautiful year waiting to be fully revealed and fully expressed to the world around us I'm Miriam Smell founder of redemption, Mama's the beautiful you podcast showcases everyday ordinary women like you breaking free from unhealthy relationships with themselves and others women who have processing pain and disappointments in life. You will stories that inspire, encourage and in Palo, so you can become your beautiful you regardless of the circumstances you face and be valued. And loved for who you really are, I support women through mentoring and life transformation, so they can be healed and whole from the inside out and live out of their true authentic genuine beauty. Have you been suppressing your beautiful. Be Inspired to step into your beautiful your journey this way. and. I'm Miriam. Snap and this is beautiful you. Welcome back to the beautiful. You podcast for another week of life stories of inspiration encouragement. And Hope today's story. Is a story of of hope. I'm joined by Alice. Gray at least loves living lockton splashing. It with creativity every level whether it's relationships work. Styling serving and even embracing age. She's a wife of fifty years a mother of four and granny to ten. She hails from Africa Nat the northern beaches of Sydney Hi. A modal, a designer and author, an office fashiony stirs Ak-, a retired architects. She. has done many many things in this. Vibrant colorful kaleidoscope of the life that she's been living. To add to her creative list of achievements elite Elise is an author publisher of Dari For lady since eighteen ninety four. And Up to thirty one years, having taken a bright, she will be publishing. Doria again the twenty twenty one later this year. A colorful inspirational Dario gifts that you can enjoy three hundred sixty five days a year. She describes Dari as a pipe. A Garden designed with love and care. I'm looking forward to getting my hands on a beautiful book like that the latest book flourish showcases her love of beautiful designs on paper, splashed with kind, inspiring and encouraging woods. Larry is designed to help you unwind unplugged. Pause and Mike Moments matter. I can testify this because I am taking a shortcut to flourishing. Suggests by coloring my way through her book flourish. In the winter of two thousand seventeen at sixty nine years of age, she joined still the folks management as I model. And she's proud to be a pot of Australia's first mature age talent agency who believe style and h have nine limit. Least Welcome to the beautiful you podcast. Thank you Miriam, I feel. Creatively challenged and. Well what a life! What a beautiful life! You've lived so vibrant colorful, and as I was reading through the wonderful opportunities you've had I just couldn't see it like this kaleidoscope of of colorful life that you've lived and showing no signs of slowing down on my head. I don't talk to slow down. We met listen I met at. This collective Liz L. hotly a friend of ADS launched a book back in March this year. Pre covid nineteen I think she just must've scripting. The full, that would not have been possible and I was so inspired and captivated by your story lace. I, was excited because I'm turning sixty this year. Wow. I thought my gosh. I want to be like this lady. Jedi. Can Colorful and splashing Melena my life to the place as as you didn't such a beautiful way. Chalice amid about this lightest fanshawe of becoming a model at sixty sixty nine years of age. Yes, it was a million. These are the things that you don't plan in life, and then it comes your way, and you think wow. Someone must have organized this. End who the someone was or is. Yes, at age sixty, nine, twenty, seventeen, my eldest daughter Inca she's an architect. Loaded with enthusiasm and creativity. Cooled me and say mom. Found the ideal perfect job for you. So, what happens is she was tagged on facebook. With the profound story of. At icon accidental. Lynn. She's a professor in psychology. Accidentally became a model at sixty five, and that's a story for another day to cut it short. This took me to signing a modeling contract with silver. Fox Management Like you've mentioned. Before and I love. Every moment so fall. Challenges about some of the events. What what do you do? You know what I'd like to just give you a little background of way. This journey actually started. Unknowingly. Semi -fession Nisa Journey. Started when I was a little girl. I grew up like you sit in Africa. On a tobacco farm in Zimbabwe, which was Dana Rhodesia. Because remember Marion, you are tuning fifty, and that's how long I've been married. So very interesting, isn't it? So these such, that's the first. Line of hope keeps you. When you give a little bit more credit sixty. I'm turning existing Oh wow. Almost, said welcome to the gap at obt you by by twelve years. Wow And remained bay. You must tell me Wayne so that we can. So I can congratulate you. Might. be saying you might be might be insane. You might elitest diary the twenty one diary that you mentioned A. Drop in its conformance Zimbabwe and obviously attended a boarding school since age nine went to a private school, which was on a phone, just outside Seoul's in bubbly. To mom my mom passed always young, and that leaves me with. Dead My Dad Great Man Becoming my best friend during school holidays when our winter from boarding school. And I remember used to borrow our show now. The black show now the to trump's in Zimbabwe, shown us and. So I used to borrow francs bicycle because it had a career ender basket. And then I took dead. He's lunch in the tobacco. And yes I. I actually dressed up for these trips on the bus. I pretended I went to. Live here I could just as well getting New York so let's go. And Dad was always very intrigued with me when I when I got the with multiple outfits. And? showed off not downs between the toll tobacco `blanche. To show of my outfits. Identity of you've seen real tobacco plants. On smackers on the whole family, Dad, mum, all of us even now, my husband, my children. in-laws grandchildren. None of them smoke but I grew up in its BECCA phone, but it's a beautiful. Toll thing it can grow up to say six foot, two meters and ended as a beautiful light baby pink flower. So that's me I. Don. The backup blondes. Yes That's more or less, my background. How I felt since I was more mimimum was a combination she was. Bedridden for thirteen years. All these beautiful dresses, hanging in the cupboard and indeed guide me permission. He said if you want to, if you, WanNa, use those races like Faulk, too old fashioned for you, but just Mike in Recycling which I did. And and just might new outfits. That also was was cute. Wow! WHAT A PRECIOUS START! The journey dancing in the tobacco fields. We'd lot pink flowers. It's just got set beautiful imagery to it. So. Now you. Walking down the runway, what are you doing as a model? With Suva, Fox management again you know, unfortunately don't have much at the stage of woking on cat folks I have. Done a beautiful waiting expired a few years ago two years ago, which was. Amazing way we a real cat book fist time in my Nas and we had like a five minute training. But, it worked well enough got. Photos are single my instagram. Of back then end, we featured as they were. These young is, and then I featured as like. Mature Bride because sometimes you do get married after fifty six. At also featured as like a mother of the bride was very interesting, but That I think. I've been. Blessed with bright talent, we also not just models with talent. Grad ten GIG so fall I. Condemn you few if you want to. s sounds deport you know what happens if you were sold at Fox with this. Age Positive Movement so are featured in the Australian women's weekly. Shade. At lizl. Event, so they was this nine tiger in the fashion fashion section of me with all these amazing outfits if he ever wanted. Take a peek into the. I think it was April May. Edition and I keep on looking through an our board about ten of them denying. Believe are featured in the, and then they were unforgettable eleven day trip with experts safaris. Very well-known tourist group. Which? Will just to give you an idea and eleven or twelve day trip with them to various places like broken hill, and we went to omland costs. You just undefeated team. Thousand dollars boosted. Two couples from Silver Fox. We like to pretend couples and We went on this trip to six. Different five stops a foreign camps. It it was just to die for. The photo shoot was. With this amazing creative team. It was just unforgettable and we were flying around in. Private. I'd see two lines. Where you can imagine Aachen keep on. This event. Ahead! TV commercial shoot for a retirement village in Canberra and Dry Bra DC for triumph. A. Mustang Newbury mid was weird to woking to. Into Maya's one day at to see myself on the US billboard. And a debt stage are member so while my husband was with me. And we walked in, and I just did not say winning. He looked at the board any said. She cheese. Any one of the ladies of working in the shopping using. Please come here. Come would take a photo of Mewa, because this is A. Proud him. He was a minister of religion. He was a preacher, man, a theologian and they we were posing for a photo of him and his wife in a brawl. That was the most exciting one. At twice onto guidelines. Also featured in a L. D. Mother's shoot. And very recently with based enlist was also I shoot and. The list goes on southern moralist. Would we do just sounds quite quite exotic? Only opportunities that you have and and have had to travel to places that many of us would never get the opportunity. Go to and. I just can't imagine walking in to anywhere and seeing a picture. Of Uber. It's not easy, but do it. It's as if you pry you. Put on your brides, and and you just do it as if you so used to it. While that so precious well, it sounds like from such a young age dancing in the tobacco fields to now prancing in in front of these cameras. Even in your Bra is just something you taking your stride. It's it's quite. Quite awesome, but that come. You just stepped into this opportunity and taking full on. End How does your work and and the other things that you love have? Is that a wave into this expression of of your talents rate through modeling now? How do you make that feeding? You'll have you know what you just you just brought in. You make time. I just started a arrange just on one of teen now. Of a big one meter by one meter sized. Canvases. WITH ACRYLIC Way I'm painting my. Grandkids, but I'm doing all of them. At of age two years old. Lucan now and you just you just put it in because it's you've got to keep the grabbed talent. Go to keep doing it so that you couldn't always not the affected, but but hanging the so that's how with and then and I just love my instagram account, and to shave some of these things, and once you have instagram account. And you've got your followers and facebook. Obviously you do feel that you have to. Keep on. Showcasing what you do, also as an inspiration and Its. Own, string, the question for you on. Yes, I I understand indefinitely like I love looking at what you are producing so darn. Don't stop because. It is very inspiring to to look to rework like yours that just. Nothing special about it on I was wondering. How did you come up with the idea of a coloring book? Okay you know. What at that stage? Coloring books were very training. And but I want to do it from another angle, not just coloring little techies. But. I was invited to speak on the topic. Flourish impetus to three years ago by Creek Fund who you also meets And my topic as I said was flourished, and then I, got this great idea that instead of. Giving them the boring old. worksheets that I usually handed out full in the audience that I can follow. As I, teach authority. Let's come up with something pretty, and that's how I. Did that. That's what that's the idea and was bone to do a lovely handout. To I think they were about two hundred and fifty three hundred lights that attended and that that's how it started Meriem the. The Hour in the U.. And an expounded in that way. Will attack quite a profound effect on me I can't remember colleen quiet on asleep for probably more like fifty sixty years so much. It's been a long long time and so I went and bought myself some coloring pencils and I started through through your book, and I share this with you. As I was coloring in I, got to the page where you've got the woman in her dress and you've got the. Patterns in the background. He's creating something beautiful to wait around. And I started to color in Amazon's coloring in. I was actually reminded of like of vision that I had us and use new car. And I colored in distressing in your flourish book orange. And in our was a child, my mother would make me orange dresses and I hated them because I had written and. And here I was coloring in this dress orange and I thought WHOA. I was reminded that many years ago I had this dream that I. was traveling on a stage, and I was speaking and I was wearing an orange stress. And I remember thinking well. That's never going to happen. Because I hate orange. I not the section at the side where you actually give us space. To riot and reflect, and so I started to write up this dream. This vision that I had and you know soy. Many memories came back that ended up being a very profound. Mindful me. That's interesting. It just shows. You know I think I'm putting on on putting doubted end embodied weather's illustrations of the two models was done by my daughter's fashion designer or used to be a fashion designer, and that's what put them in the, and it's amazing like how that then becomes a wow moment for you, and you'll orange story. Lovely I love the. While I'm I'm now treasuring this book as not just something to say for the sake of doing but. Those moments where. The Flourish Lens on me and I'm actually quite intrigued at the. The power of of just sitting there coloring, and then how something seems to just land on me and shift in May and bring about. These reflections and are on just coloring in. What movie and that's what I said I think on the inside Cavallo on the cover. It's that offline is the new luxury. and. That's what happens when you offline and you start doing. Things. Yeah. It unleashes. The flourish in you. When you! Bring a fantastic. While, it certainly made a real blessing. The man highly recommend anyone listening if you, if you want an opportunity to connect with some out of yourself, than flourishes of is a great way to to detect that time out and do that. Now flourishes, definitely being a would for you and it's been a theme of Your Life in something that you certainly haven't shrunk back from. You've stepped into flourishing as the doors of Ivan than and Theresa. All of these wonderful opportunities of your artwork. He'll. Architectural work your design, what the being being an author and a now model? However when you're sharing your story back in March when we met Academy, a story just really drew my heart and and my. I was I've been docked to becoming aware like of the changes that happened in our life, and the adjustments and have learning to flourish in whatever circumstance we find ourselves in. became something that I was seeing through you and your story can. Can we hear a little bit about what's going on for you? In the background of the alive that you probably don't say on the catwalk and in the magazines, but it's real journey that you're walking right now. Get another knocked the word real surreal journey, and if we can just be real like sharing today, that's. Actually all mission, isn't it? Miriam but That Might Bio on instagram summarizes it all. You know the fact that I saved a model design also autism to speak at. The End! Obviously, wife Mada Grandma. achievement that you referring to now he's. On, Monday has been care at. Kiro C. R. A.. Find. I'm not qualified. Gary but how interesting. So we celebrated our fiftieth, golden anniversary lost, Saturday. Was a memorable fund feast with three of four children, half of our ten grandchildren, oldest end, and his family from Zealand could detained. and. If you do your calculations. E has the other hawks. The team that I have fought. which is almost half a dozen? Lobby little kids all of them. So talk about obstacles and challenges. Award is gone into. Those fifty years of hours. At. At the celebration on Saturday. I did a little speech and the Inter to my speech was the following I said. Fifty years off dodging death and divorce. Should knock. But by grace. We made it so fall. was talking. I had my children and grandkids age sort of from eighteen down to seven. Watching listening. I enjoyed? The inquisitive audience at that stage and I was very. It was very brief. Speeches wasn't long. And especially when I took out a big gift box. While I'm talking and unwrapped the content. And I took out a real sova trophy. Sold a beautiful of traffic. and. Weather was gifted me by young. My husband on Al Sued. Wedding anniversary forty seven years ago. Engraved. With these all Norway or these two words champion wife. Now this became and still is the biggest challenge for my marriage. To live up to this amazing title. I think he was damn clever to do that. He must plan at what. Like me do. Yes it was out golden anniversary fifty brought Guitry, but also many adult, not some shining moments meriem. So my motto for relationships, thing and to this day is. To Mike God Smile no matter what. Because I now I'm watched by loved ones. Trains who need to see how hope. Can Be applied and lived. With reuss grime. That's doctoral grimes tonight Dr Betty, daughter. Ruth Grind Bell. What she says about a good marriage she say's. It's a union. Of to forgive his. and. That's exactly what else is in was. So when I come to the. Bottom my bio. o'clock to just share a little bit if you allow me. Over the past five plus years I gradually became more has been scared when he's short term memory started filing. I soon realized they is now now time for denial. Or the party. But. It's a matter of staying true to our vowers. Fifty years ago. which saved for Beta for Wis-? I'm going to give big sign yet because it's easier said than done. Until our realized two things one. That it's not a disaster nora problem. But a new project. For me! And, my goal in this project in this challenge is to try and at high school. Number two. The other thing that I realized was three cues. To attain to. One is I Q. E Q. And your I Q. When it comes to the IQ. It diligence. I remember that might top of the class. School reports leaves me with no excuse not to apply. The intelligence got me. In the. End If it comes to emotional For this one. I need a Daiei today. And will based be a timed. By starting each Ahmad is on my knees. Tacked into God's support. Because they in the inner sanctuary. First part of the day early in the morning. This is regard sates the temperature of might attitudes for the rest of the day. And that marine brings me to the IQ the attitude question. This one, the beans on a few important disciplines of which physical fitness is in the top three. Months. Seventy of mine. I become a fitness and Health Eddie. Thank Heavens did. Balanced! Consistent I play tennis twice a week. Even started a weekly, Refresher coaching. Last Monday. I joke woke which I. It's not switch. Job Woke five kilometers twice a week. And I do a five minute squat and Ding knock five times a week. And that's not too bad. Just decide that how important that is for Moslem and good attitude and and to Mike this project a fun project can still flourish. RAISCH Ginette I've often. I'm quite sure you have had grandparents site. You know what I love about carrying for grandchildren is to. Play with him and then pasta it back to the parents food the. Duties. You know the one. Thing ut inciting that. I know me, too. I said that million times. Will Be Akira Notre, grandchildren, but being appropriate for Aged loved one. Is Somewhat the opposite. It is skating for someone in reverse mode. Instead of getting stronger. Is Spicy slightly east growing in knowledge it fades. Instead of me being the other hawks. I am now sort of the full deal. Becoming Independent. He becomes more than debate. Instead of driving. He becomes stressed s injure. May. Remember now. Confidence Nice by for confusion. A calendar. Makes Nursing's. Only my wins do. Participation. Mike's wife for. A desired loneliness, way, noise and business. Becomes. became. He's enemy. It's letting the baton go. Yang is letting the because he is tired of the know, rely rice. And the design for living on this side of eternity. Becomes a knowing full. And Anticipation! For reuniting. With those the at Assad rigidity. Passed and method. From the earlier years. and. He cannot what to see Jesus. Maria. On that said and had been note. I have learned that. I'd I'm only speaking from my experience. I'm not saying about other people, but. To K- fu! Someone. Christian who has dementia. Is Not so bad because. It's it's only memory loss. It's not spirit loss. My husband is a doctor in theology. He preached for more than forty. Years in Brazil motivational speaker. and. He did a good job in lake. Many many thousands to cross. Evening Bobble studies at. Sentenced tight for about three years. was attended by three thousand class every Tuesday evening. The big big big TNT that we. Loaned from. Big. Church in inventory. and. so He'd eat. Did that part so well? And he still reads. Christian books the Bible. Yes, he repeats Master of the me. Read this. Over an hour, but it doesn't met Chris for him. What he reads Netease And and that is the beautiful side is to see the outside dead. Is Hope Encouragement for me? I have PA covered or do you want to say wow well with? Great Deal of A dose of reality. Delays it some? It's something I I guess. I can only relate a little is. You know I I worked with drug addicts for a long time, and it's it's easy working with people that aren't close to you. But when my own daughter became, a a has had her journey with addiction. It just changes everything. It changes everything on on the. On every level when you you live with that, but. I. Have not experienced what you're experiencing now and. I just wonder. How do you? How do you reconcile such a vibrant life for yourself? As you watch your husband's live. Shutting down you know. How do you have you kind of navigate that that that gap that space? Young now you're touching on on the hot. And that is the daily if it. I spoke about et chewed, questioned and debts. Math guarded. Shake my kindness everyday because repeating end up having to. Do say until the signed things over an hour and answering the same questions. Urban era is not easy. and IT'S A. Friend is on. The. The conversations are normal conversations. because. He cannot concentrate anymore. And and that is, that's a mouthful you've got to I have to learn to cope with it, and it's going to be until being. But, but it's it's getting better and Meriem. It's adapting and it's. It's not giving long. two questions is summarizing. and. Because it's no use wasting your words. Because it cannot be, it can be tackled in anymore. It's it's rough. It's it's very. Very! Scary, illness. They? Didn't they know how to's really? Because every person as A unique story depending on the background, and with a come from, and what triggered it? No one really knows. cave-ins I'm in this beautiful city in this amazing country, and I'm surrounded by three of my four children and. ended. It's a project. And we're trying out based. Lump the way that you are taking light that that it's it's your project. It's not your problem. It's your project for for this stage in his time of your life. Count is at work. If you do go away or you on the for him this someone from your family stepping or would you have cameras that common and release you to do? What you? Yes I am very fortunate. I but I had to learn how to do it. I didn't know about. All the government incentives. Etcetera that that was at my. Disposal but but I I did join CCB it's a career association. And I. Now have sous government funding. A caterer package. Which schooled in my case, now I'm on the label to repackage which allows me. Actually that almost. that. You have to take sixty five days, but. As the CARA Respect where you just. Go and end. And recharge! You'll you'll everything. They, have cares Oscar to spare room in a guest room in a house where the camera I have I haven't done that yet. We'll be doing within the next month again. I just to to die trip. Guy Do now just to see. How young is GonNa Cup because all I have the Jordan. I can would be here for twenty four hours, South Ocu- Carey. She sleeps sties in in Diane for twenty four hours in daycare that clean the kitchen. The boss room they cook the food, and the the very well, trying to carries bid-rigging than on. The. Then would be comforting to know that you have that. To fall back on. Just the coaches with this is impossible. You you do I do admire on how they do live. You know in these countries without the support we had. A wonderful country in strident. Doing. Do, you struggle with your own feelings of guilt sometimes. I guess one does. Even even if you'RE A. Christian might even more. Christian supposed to have the ropes in the know how. No the word consolation is, but I do not that much marine, but they. N Very, consistent, trying to be consistent with a a decent. Quiet time. For the spiritual side of my life and I can just suggest anybody. Any Christian. Own on Christian to get this book. It's I've got many devotional that I'd have done in my Nas. united if if if I have to, but this one is by Dr. Caroline Leaf I. Don't if you know her Miriam she is. Expert, a psychologist on a neuropsychologist, so she zeroes in on the Brian out functions and she's. She's a Christian. And I'm doing three hundred sixty five days of something about the Brian. But I can send you that. Light at walk face the book and it is amazing. It's every died very shortly. Little devotional way. She just teach you how to detox show bride with any negative thoughts, and that helps a lot because it's in your thinking your mind. Power over the Brian. Yes. I do Dr Caroline laughing. Really. Moloch is being enriched by what I read and learn from her as well. It's. It sounds like it's. What you're sharing right now is is that you have a dighly? Meeting with yourself. And your Creator and you spend that time. Really making sure that your your mind and your your thinking is going to help you I. Guess Respond in the The loving gracious wise that you want to. Bless your husband with to his very last is and. What a beautiful gift he gave you! On your third anniversary champion. A He is also very creative imagined, and you know what I did not tell you is that it's got this little. Every trophies got this little black base on which its. Own on the every. US. Five and ten years sometimes, he had another little soul that not a little. What do you call it? Looks like Sham African speaking sided what the English word is forgotten, but it's it's in every time. The Diet of the nixed anniversary was engraved and put onto this little bias. I when I showed this to the family, and especially the grandkids on Saturday I. Say look at this. Only now spice for one mole, which was for a fiftieth anniversary I stayed Outta with GRANDPA. OPA forgot this year. This is the first year that he's forgotten to check the trophy and evident bribed I said, but you know what it's my now he's. So. that. That's how you've got to Converse and. Teach teach others how to count. Rates. Feel things in sometimes i. feel guilty, but. Saying God. that. He understands better than we do. Yeah. Well, thank you. Sign not chalets for sharing. And your story about. Life as as it is just right now. Caring Peo- husband, but I just want to say thank you for choosing. Choosing the position and the positioning of your yourself. Your mindset that has become such a powerful and. Beautiful example to others. Like me. Big Win quite there yet, but who knows what our future holds, and an end your inspiring story of of of? A flourishing yourself and and really. I guess embracing such a new things on. I'm wondering seventy. What new thing I might be considering to embrace. I love that I. Love that approach. I love that look at life, and and I love the way that you shared with us tonight. God Smile I met a what. If. That's the door order, but that would be gotta do you now. What also encourages me and keeps me on? My tires is the fact that I published starry for lighting for city one years until two thousand, fifteen announced taking up. The city sickening should. This ship is that I had so many that was before instagram. Social Media and stuff imagined that nineteen ninety four. These followers to. Ladies, that these diaries from teenagers through to sixty seventy eighty something and I've been following me in invited comments and I would love to not disappoint the. At because of the beautiful inspirational stuff was beautiful illustrations and photos that are published in those diaries. And how can I now drop the ball? While that's beautiful, that's powerful and thank you for not dropping the thank you for. Them station inspiration that model, not just on the cat walk to. Show this beautiful fascist, aside of you, but this other beautiful side of you as well that that has this mindset to. Love, and nurture and be the champion wife that your husband. has made it all his life, but particularly at this time instead giving long. Last now you know. Is Again. We own the cat for. Yes without state. Yes you sorry such a we we are. We just don't realize it, do we? And and so on inspite on encouraged and I I feel very empowered by by hearing your story that. Particularly an mind and and taking that time on a daily basis to really position ourselves and and online said, and earlier now those toxic thoughts and and I, Love Your Q. E. Q. and Iq question. That are just so so so powerful so precious. You know that. We can and we, we will if we make the choice to. Finish life. To flourish. And to flourish. Well that might be a good cute. The Major Gandhi similar colleen. Still WanNA. See your pictures, but thank you so much I really am i. mean is feel privileged due to be able to share this because we go through live. So that we. Can people cannot say relight. Yes. And thank you, thank you for being willing and available and sharing your story all the best delays in. A hidden, and and in the years ahead of the journey that you have left with with your husband rules. Thank you I will. You can watch. My my issue you with this. Show we call it ministry with your costs and listened to a few of them and it's. It's really sorry, encouraging and. And beautiful and everyone's got a story. Yes, that's that's what I love. It doesn't matter how. We to see s story that ask stories actually night to be told, and they need to be shed and I'm so blessed that people are willing to do that and that I can share your story today. Thanks again. Thanks Meriem. God bless you. If you know it's time to take action, and you want to connect with your beautiful you then I want to connect with you. Find me on facebook. Dot Com forward slash redemption mummers, or drop me a messy. You also find any links to my guest on the facebook page as well. You can be empowered. You can be equipped and inspire others and embrace true courage by becoming your beautiful. I'm Miriam snap and he is to being the beautiful. been filled for. Food now.
How Improving Your Self-Esteem Will Make You A Better Person Episode 21
"My Fun tastic. Yesterday has one story that I know I've heard and I've spoken to and I've interviewed many women but her story is definitely one that I'm so excited to share with you and to hear myself because I don't know most of it and that is crazy easy. I am so excited to introduce my warm. An amazing guest just so high. Why don't you introduce yourself and tell us New Desk Room or car. which do you clean I on? Why Oh definitely my desk is by the way? I guess Definitely desk because it's my central focus area for my whole life really. I know you have experienced so much in your life and you've gone through a lot. You learned a lot. You fail a lot. You've had many different experiences. But I want to go back to the very very beginning. What was was your life like as a child and what kind of struggles did you have? What did you go through Will we're always very little like under under the age of four my life was pretty straightforward and simple But that my mom had me when she was sixteen and then when I was about four she started using drugs pretty heavily like serious drugs to she was on heroin and all that And then everything starts to guard bad from there and then my sister was born and my mom was on heroin when she had her or my sister was a very not difficult. Baby keep it. She had a lot of heroin problems because she was addicted through my mom saw. It was very very stressful. Time that I remember anyway back Throughout my childhood we just had days of not eating and not knowing where we were going to sleep and it was very stressful. We were jumping have to have so. My mom could sleep on catches dolphin. My sister's dad was not a nice person either so it was very very very. He cared about us. My sister's dad but he didn't. He was the same as my mom. He had a substance problem and couldn't care for children. The way they need to be careful was very tough. And then oeste my sister was about a a year old. We got taken off my Ma Ma and placed into foster care and from there. It didn't get worse. It got better in a lot of ways but we lacked a lot of stability. Yeah so can you explain froze. I have been in foster care and I what I do know that there are many people out there who have been but for those of us who have never been in foster take care Kenya Kinda give us an explanation of what that time in your life was like what were your struggles obstacles on so on me and my sister were very lucky for the most part we will with one woman who was very caring entry dislike her are always heard for about four years But aside from that it. It's a very tough time on the kids because we Didn't see family families much sweet would like to. We would drag through Colt cases whenever we wanted to see It was supervised visits obviously And we changed a lot of schools Before I was at teen I went to fourteen schools so it was very hard to you. Settled down make friends all that Some pasta harms want that great some people when not kind right and they sort of just saw the kids paycheck SAR for example. One place we were in. They had two kids. There are and those kids would eight. What Thou having for dinner and may must stop would get like spaghetti on personal something? There were times when that happened and it just makes you feel as a child like you are not loved. It's quite pod sorry I'm getting teary here. Oh No take your time I I can't I can't imagine going through that kind of situation. So if you feel the need to selected out is completely fine I think those who are listening also would probably an are probably going to shed a tear or two so it's completely find to be a safe and as honest and as open as possible because I really want people to kind of put themselves in your shoes and really understand what it was like and how you know despite whatever you went through you manage to make something of yourself so please go ahead thank I think so IMBETWEEN foster harms me. Those also. I'll have to call it an often age for foster kids but that's not quite what it is sort sort of like an in-between Hass where when there isn't somewhere for the kids to Gar- like for another half they have all stay in this one house and not that place wasn't very nice Eba like they went very nice to us kids and there were times when Like like they used to get pocket money from families and they would store and I remember this one time They took my pocket money and then accused me of stealing. My money was really did. They went very nice and let one all the time I'm in this little halfway house. Our member I got really upset because I miss my family and one of the ladies and it was not a nice person and it was Christmas time and she. They'll have to give the kids at present and my present was I was like eight or not. My president was this child's toy like a sesame street Karma canting set or something and she said to me you get this because you o'clock baby all the time and she humiliated me in frontal everybody Sir they will not very nice people at is halfway house based on what you told me so far it sounds like you know you went through a lot of different kinds of abuse. Whatever physical mental emotional but how did that kind of treatment meant how did it affect your self esteem or how you saw yourself as a child Myself Sustains rule that was affected from very early on and even when I was in light promise school I just felt like the most worthless person person on the planet like nothing was on and I shouldn't have even been there really And and I went through a stage after that where I stole of stuff as a kid And that made myself Steve Feeling Worse. Thankfully there are parts of my family that we're very supported through that stage of my and it didn't last very long but I definitely lashed out and felt like I shouldn't blown up. I didn't belong on the planet at all. Like as a kid hid dot com even though Being seemingly nothing to this warren it like even now. I'm thirty years old and it still affects in I. Yeah it's it's it's such a slippery slope because when people think of you know having self esteem issue Kennel. I don't feel sometimes that it's something you can get over easily like it. Episode happens on it passes on your fine but not many people understand that a lot of the things things that we experience as children as teenagers even as adults can last for our entire lives unless we get some kind of help or we make steps to somehow heal the hurt that we've experienced. It reminds me a lot of what I went through because I did have some experience experiences that a child that I am twenty nine. I'm turning thirty in a few days and it wasn't the best. Thank you so words. Thank you so much and you know. It wasn't open to a couple of years a year or so ago to is started remembering limbering and kind of understanding. Why was having all these self esteem issues? Why I didn't see myself as being good enough so I just really want women to understand Persona self-esteem is a serious thing and we really need to get on top off if we want to kind of how that that that kind of life that we were happy? And we're genuinely happy and I- county might not be self esteem issues can really affecting you going forward. Amin you end up dropping out of high school school and started drinking at fifteen. What happened there so basically what happened was when I was about thirteen My foster among that tells you that was really good. She actually moved into state and she couldn't take us with. I was hurt because of the wars So we actually ended up back with my mother and our that was pretty much like being if again drugs paypal. Going through the house else dodgy men hanging around nor one or any food that was mostly. It was like being a kid again. It was absolutely terrible but the difference. This time was My mom had a little boy. Shar May and my sister who was eight at the time we did. A lot of the caring for him in woking was off doing her whatever and so Oscar bet two years of that I just. I just thought I can't do this anymore. Most are I went to live with my grandma Unfortunately for me by that point there had been a lot of mental damaged on uh-huh I didn't realize time so I ended up dropping out of high school and May end one of my friends. We smelled shifting. We got got drunk a lot and we used to just get drunk and walk around streets and hang out with whoever was around and looking back on Dislike Hal out Diaz that like we would end up suburbs and suburbs away with random guys we had never met before while we were drunk and so that was not a good time for me But after about ten months of that I realized this. WHO's not probably the best thing meeting doing sir? I then enrolled myself back into Husky. Because I just couldn't UNU- it was sort of leading me down the same word that my mom had gone down and saw didn't want to be like her so I went back to hospital and through high school. I still drank a lot Ah definitely struggles And he is not the donor I told you while I was in high school. Actually go Alameda so all my hair fell out and that on top of the mental struggles and the drinking and trying really hard to get my life together. I just completely fell apart and I think I'm like I said on thirty now and I'm still trying to get over that potus well so when you started losing your here here and you know you're going through school people are seeing what's going on what was going through your mind at that moment or during those moments went when I was in high school and I was my hair I remember that was ice aware beanie And there was this one girl who's shattered across the courtyard Paulina baby. Yeah golding baby. You're afraid and again. It's one of those things that has still affecting me sorry badly And I ended up in a very abusive relationship ship with a guy who was not a very nice person he used to hit me install and I think that my already crushed self esteem. You kept me in that place for much longer time than today. I was with him for about four years Through the end of hospital in the beginning of much money's and I'm losing my head was definitely just at that point. The one thing that just push myself statements to the absolute in the you know what I mean. I am crying no again. Just breathe and you kind of want to cry in a sense that I am just so so blessed to have you on the show. I know you've been through a lot and I can hear it in your voice but you are so brave to share your story. In spite of what happened. You know other people might think things offense because not everyone's going to understand your journey not everyone's going to understand the kind of choices you had to make and that's okay and not everyone's going to understand understand the road you had to go on to heal and to be going whole again so if you need to cry baby girl cry all you need. I know right now. You're in in a better place. You're engaged you girl that's amazing but what did you have to give up or sacrifice to get to where you are today. So just a quick backstory for everybody. I met my fiance on a video game because in my mid twenties I was I have dropped out of UNI by this point because my anxiety just looked pretty much so I dropped uni and I wasn't working at. I was literally just sitting around drinking king and smirking and playing video games. That was my life am I had no intention of changing that. That was sort of it was across like it was a cross between being Mitra and being my coping mechanism. It was not a good place to be and so I met my fiance videogame Darted Church be specific and we talked for a while and then he came to mobile to meet me. We hit it off and he he really wanted to stop something and I was into him saws. Like maybe But I knew that in order for me. HB with him. I had to really get my stock together. A hat to focus on not drinking not smoking not sitting around wasting my life and that was a really hard mental struggle for major. Get on that plane because it wasn't wasn't just about leaving all might pratt behind. It was a bad morning to commit to be better version of myself and a lot of people. I think I did that for him to be with him but he was sort of just catalyst in it. He he probably would've would've done without him. Eventually are being bought I didn't do it for him. I did it because I knew that it. It was time for me to get an soul myself out and saw there was a lot of on a huge amount of emotional national or mental preparation in getting on that plane exceed lives. Sorry Back sorry he leaves on Christmas Island where I live. Now which is five thousand plummeted plummeted from where I was originally so quite a while. So yeah there was a lot of mental preparation and yeah getting myself to get our heads. Joint are much better slowed. I'm sorry so you you basically had to give the life of drinking and and gaming and not caring to further to become the person that you were today you have to sacrifice that part of you that you had for so so long that you had as a crutch for solar long in order to kind of Howell a better future. Yeah exactly and people a lot of people seem to realize that when you holding onto this self sabotaging lifestyle bought it was. It's it's it is still your lifestyle and it's really really really hard to look up and notice that is not our K.. And I am not okay and so it was really hard to step away from that and even when I first got silent I still drank a lot and actually things in a way. Got Worse when I got here A drank frank law and then I was hospitalized because I was really suicidal. Like my brain. Just it was a lot to handle but seems what better from there Once I was hospitalized and People realize around me what was going on That's when I started to accept the help which I think was is probably the biggest turning point. I went from pretty much wanting to die and giving up to realizing realizing that. Maybe I'm not so bad and maybe life can get better off and I think when I realized that life started to get better the saying it's that simple but it was definitely starting points me so you mentioned that it wasn't a simple journey wasn't a simple simple step from a to B. So what would you say is the was the biggest obstacle you had to overcome in changing that part of who you were I think I think the biggest obstacle would have been accepting like truly accepting that I had a lot of emotional mental problems going on The full then I had. I knew that I had anxiety and I had a drinking problem and you will but I didn't want to accept it. It's hard to explain also yet. Didn't accept it and in much. Twenties ruined countless relationships. I've done bridges I drank. I ruin friendships like you wouldn't believe and I'm you all this was happening. But I didn't want to accept it and then after all his hospitalization and all that I accepted that I need the help and I think that that was the most important part because so many people Seiichi think there are learn. And they you know to help and the help weren't beheld. I think that stigma stigma is really damaging to people who need help. That's actually pretty powerful. Let you know all of us we are. We are imperfect we are we are so imperfect like ours human beings at one of the things that makes us human on your right. There are many people out there and we messed up. We've made crappy decisions. We've just not had the best of of mindset when it comes to what we should do with our lives on how it should be living it. But there's still the stigma out there that you know seeking help or admitting that you have a problem makes you a bad person and I actually believe the opposite. I believe that when you who are for like Obama Term Zoo admit you have a problem so that you can actually start to fix that problem that that action means that you are a pretty darn good person. I mean you're not a perfect person. 'cause God knows who who is perfect. But you're actually one step closer to be a a good person because you know that what you're doing is not only affecting you. It's affecting the people around US affecting relationships affecting the way that you are living being in general and you are brave you are actually so brave to actually admit that you need to help and to have fought hell and I take my hat off to you for that yet. Thinki- absolutely there and I I want yeah. I think it's so important that we in general unruh break the stigma because I really feel that it costs lives because people don't feel like they can talk as he did. That was my biggest turning point commercializing that how goes it's our cage not be okay And once you know you're not okay that that is the point where you want to be okay at it's not an easy word whatsoever My biggest charon point after all that was all. Oh sorry when I had my little girl I that she was born in November. Two thousand seventeen and Twenty eighteen my new year's resolution was bay. The person you want loon it to be. That was money's resolution and that has helped sorry much which is well because on wanted to be the person I want her to be as an adult functional. Happy safe free to be herself and understanding. Earning that it's okay to not be a K. You have a support network on all does tell your your daughter. She has the best. Mommy like out at so nice I wish more moms and dads would sink like that. I WanNa be the mom the DAD that I want my son or daughter to be and I think that's a powerful message in itself because we can't keep that in the back of your mind at all times I I would like to say that you would make way better decisions than you're currently making so I love that and I just WanNa tell you that you are. I think you're a good mom and I think you have the ability it to be a great mom so just keep going and I am so like I said I hit my off. Do you think he if I want to ask you. You know you're you sit down right now in your car. And you're kind of looking over your life and reflecting about everything what would you be thinking about right now. if our she flanking everything I would probably even now all comes back to how I live my life in my twenties twenties and all the things that I should have done different but will search trying to let go of all the things that I should have done different because changes in. But it's definitely a big reflecting points from me his. It's sort of like my in a way. It was my lowest point so sort of like the early go up from there that makes sense it does it does I. I have main some absolutely horrible decisions. Mistakes whatever you WANNA call it. I've made some some very bad decisions in my past and I've had to live the consequences of those decisions even to this day. And you are right when you say you know. You can't change your past you can only learn from it and try to be better in your future future and I read it out there. Who really believe that? They have just been the worst person. Will hear what you said and understand that you again. And you can't change your past you don't have to let it define you you just have to learn from. It's an grow and Amish show. I talk about building. Empires Pires impactful empires for you know to be there long. After you're gone and I want to ask you. What do you want your impactful empire to be yeah? It's a hot question. Probably to help break the stigma of talked about a lot of this podcast I actually started running a blog and my blood. Doc is aimed at helping you control your anxiety through the use of organization and planning because anxiety phase of the unknown and Incomplete Sartre. It's very helpful that I found so if I had to say what might sorry what might I want my empire. It'd be it would probably be to break the sigma and be one of those people. Well who helped other people realized that it's our K- offer help and it's our K- to except that you have struggles. Yeah just talk be nine for the person behind as a person who helt. I don't actually know your answer reminds me of like a model. Mother Theresa be known as the person who helped somebody else discover you know that they are so much better than they thought they were. I loved it. I really do like when people don't necessarily want to be known for their our names but for the impact they had on people's lives. And I really appreciate you coming sharing your store because trust me you sharing the story just you sharing the story the NBA honest and transparent here. I'm sure we'll help. So many other women all over the world who might have gone through similar or not if we are vastly different experiences would have the same kind of a journey that day are not sure of you know. Should they be getting help for what they're going going through. Should they be doing this on their own. Should even change at all and I know that by hearing you and hearing your story what you have gone through will inspire On encourage so many. So thank you so much and my final question for you jess is for all the women out there. You know from various backgrounds. Nash on on wherever they are whatever. They're doing right now or ten years from now. What is like the one piece of wisdom you want to pass onto them? Probably that no matter how insignificant you think you will your problems are or how insignificant taken out the paper make you feel everything that is important to you is important and if you're struggling do not be ashamed to get so help it will help will help you if you feel like you're alone. You are not alarm Cola helpline do whatever you you have to do. Just Nori that. It's okay at it will be your K.. And if it's important to you it is important so where can listeners listeners. Connect with you online So as I said I have a blog. It's called Mindful Galaxy Sir So if you just shared a mindful galaxy dot com you can find me. They're awesome and I will include all the information in the show notes. Thank you so much for coming coming for opening up for sharing her life story for talking about the importance of self esteem. Getting help when you do need and the stigma around mental the health you are a strong pillar a great mom and I look forward to what you have for us in the future. Thank you so so much and Reagan for all the women out there girls of all ages women of all ages out there who are listening right now I want to reiterate that you know what you are significant. There is no woman commanders. No childers will person out there who is insignificant because somebody God took the time to create somebody like you with your DNA. Your your your personality your your face your smile your nose your skills your calendar so you are significant and whatever you is important to you is is important and I just WanNa tell you keep going keep pricing cheat believing in yourself and amazing things will happen this is the and you have been listening to. She is a mess.
143. It's Friday MoFo's Japanese Style!
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I can't wait to hear your podcast and be invited on your God. Greetings, ladies and gentlemen. You have made it to the end of the work week the hallowed ground of Friday night and another mini episode of the work experience. It's Friday mo- foes, enjoy the working experience. Whatever ninety three north is almost at a standstill yet. So rough one out there the sporting snow in sleep. There is no service on clear of the closing doors. And traffic should make make sure we don't either report SAT on that presentation shore wants to see you return that meeting Ted Gifty lake ball and worked the dream work moving in and after the meeting we'll have a breakout session, where am I hot microwave is discussed. What's that? Everybody. Welcome to this Friday, most fo- Woking experience podcast, but it's gonna carry and John and Friday Friday Friday. Oh ring a bell. We've made it to the end of the week. I'm ready to get my Friday on our. Picture. Rodeo pictured me on top of the bull trapped in there about to open the gate you running in that that boy love the way till Sunday Levin. I only mount of bull when I'm five to six drinks deep. Then I jump on that bowl. Do they mechanical bull rise around anymore? Remember that believes it do I believe they I'm sure there's a place here in Manhattan that they have it simply that'd be a lawsuit way to happen. But maybe some places still do it. We live in a very litigious society. Assuming I always have my lawyer on speed. There was a bar. Near where I grew up in this woman. I think was apparently suing the bar. They had this little thing where they put you in a barber chair, and they'd pour three types of alcohol and Shimao they'd lead. You all the way back. She's score three types of alcohol. You about you're supposed to hold and then they'd snap you up. So all the out liquor would go down your throat in like a bad. You know? Well, she got pitched out of the chair and face first into the bar and cracked and all of that. And then she was are. Are like, okay. I bet you she won. Well, yeah. Because that's a pretty dumb thing to have course, you have to be. Let's like if I'm the judge like who's the bigger idiot. Here you got to choose one. You got to choose which ones in the bigger idiot. I guess at the say of the bar. Okay. You gotta pay like seventy percent of her medical bills. She's got to take a little responsibility here though. Well, this is as all of our listeners. Now, our I guess our we talked our listeners who are with us all the time. Dozens of listeners are three listeners listeners are hardcore listeners, that's it. This is another mini episode of the working experience in recall this affectionately, it's Friday mojos. And this is your chance to let your hair down. Put on the dancing shoes. Cut a rug and get out there and tear the weekend up. He's gonna dance. The songs is al- always repeating in your head in my mind, the whole bar stops spotlights come out, and I'm in the middle of the dance floor. It's magic really when when I hear that my hips move before any part of my body start moving my I just started grinding. I I was remembering another phenomenon that people probably partook of certainly Friday and Saturday nights. What was it called the human fly? You would like run up the wall. They would have contests in bars to see who eat you would like be covered in velcro or something. Yes. And you'd stick to the wall, and at some places, it was I don't know if there's still goes on. I dunno Garrett could be a lawsuit waiting to happen. Right. But at at one place, I remember seeing the did a little commercial spot for it. And it was whoever got their feet highest off the ground. So one guy would do a flip. And he would stick to the wall upside down and he would wear would win. He would well Wim. I would say is a bit of Enron. He's winning in life. I don't know what you want. Exactly. But yeah, this you gotta do something that guy is grinding in hustling outside of work. He's always pushing the envelope. And that's what the the main messages have fun. Well, only you only live once why why are you why are you pussyfooting around? Once the patriotic count kicks will be able to afford a flight to Japan to do. Of course. That's the that's the first thing. We're going to book Friday Mojo's in Tokyo. I think is apparently like they go out of their mind. Oh, do that. I mean, it's probably a bit of a stereotype, but cassia hard work is included culture there. Oh, it's awesome charts. Yeah. Yeah. And so they really have to let loose on Fridays. That would make sense. My cousin told me one of my cousins live there has he lives there. Now, he has lived there for twenty five years. And really. Yep. He's married to a Japanese woman. Oh, wow. They have a son. So yeah, he's he's so he's hardcore. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Speaks Japanese fluently, Scott. This is trying to get him on the podcast is a cousin that you're still in touch with her. Yeah. I don't see him a lot because he's over there. When when you call him up, do you pretend to know Japanese trying to always very. Not at all funded. Nor is noise. Who would you be offended in my cousin Brian his brother went over there? And he said, you would see guys full business suits have stout on the street. Yes. And the the cops draw chocolate. I saw a documentary or a new story about this where they would pass out like it almost like it was almost like what was that volcano that exploded was a pump pay. Yeah. When people were like frozen. It's almost like they're frozen in time. It's like their briefcases. They're still hold onto it, and they're passed out from just drink themselves into well as you were saying on Wall Street here there was like Thursday. Oh, yeah. You'd go out, but you would still for you. And if you saw it would still make it home. Yeah. You wouldn't see a business? I don't think I've ever seen while on the subway. Sue people. I wouldn't close to it. And you'd see people on the subway or on the train kind of passed out. But they would eventually be woken up by the conductor or something to get off. It was not viewed sympathetically. Yeah, they wouldn't use chalk to draw an almost you're dead person right goal. This is for pedestrians to avoid this person. Yeah. It apparently the police will give you money if you need money for a cab to go. Oh, really? Yeah. With the idea that you pay them. Well, we'll the Japanese once again taken way ahead of us. It's Friday mojos to a whole 'nother level. Well, this woman, I knew who was raised in Brazil, but she was Japanese and she had citizenship in Japan, and Brazil, and she went over to Japan to work in the hotel industry, and she said, you know, being from Brazil, like they're kind of polar opposites on the cultural spectrum Brazil's, pretty free pretty comfortable, right Japan. I guess tends to be more conservative. Yep. Culturally. And so she said she was a bit of a. Square peg, you know, to work in the company, and I guess it was a hotel management company that managed the Hiltons or something like that. And. I'm very very buttoned. Now, I mean, very, rigid culture. People did not you emailed someone sitting five feet away from you like, it was very very, you know, my her, but you addressed everybody very formally and there's still a strict hierarchy like someone in her position would never walk into his superiors office out invited. Like, you didn't go in and be like, hey, Ted like, yeah. She said cut to Friday night about nine o'clock. Her boss is completely naked Khanna stage. Singing karaoke. She said completely naked cheese. And now she was raised in Brazil three sheets to the wind of all. I mean obliterate everybody obliterated. Right. And you know, she raised in Brazil worked in Japan. I met her in New York. So, you know, very worldly person. And she's in Brazil, we would not see like maybe with your shirt off guy. You know, maybe really late the women too. I don't know. But she said, I'm not a prude. This guy is buck make and that's that's a problem the next day at work nothing ever happened. And would you would never you sweep it under the rug water under the bridge. You would never be like all manual there was that was absolutely. You never would do that. Whereas. Here you'd be like. Oh, jeez. Bike. You were Allen went peak there. Winging yeah, you know, it's it's what what are we to live to to just abuse yourself hustle and work the entire workweek, and then just destroy yourself on Friday and possibly Saturday night recover all day Sunday and then groundhog day for the next week. That's what people here do your by kind of. I think in western society and eastern as well. That's what micro term I shouldn't use those term you shit or should you should not. Yeah. Well, I remember a friend of my brother's was over Japan. He was there for some sort of. I think it was in connection with the university coach debate. So it was over there. I think in that capacity or whatever it was the go out to eat. He and three of the other guys all over Japanese and. They're drinking and everything they're eating a lot. You know lot of this lot of that. They're drinking this like Japanese Lacor, which will really get to you. And he said he's sitting there, and he feels like he's gonna throw up and he gets up. He gets to the bathroom gets in there in the feels a little batteries like, okay? Martin right because out to the table fobus all over the table just almost on cue. He's unload all over the two jumps up into the bathroom. Of course. Now is pretty sober. He's through the system he doesn't wanna come out of the bathroom. So he comes out. Finally, it's all cleaned up. Nobody says worth nobody says a word. They're just carrying right on the next day. The only thing anyone ever said to him was Daniel. Yeah. Okay. That was it a word of recrimination, nothing, nothing and. And like, wow. That's that's pretty good. I think I'm gonna move to Japan. It's pretty good because that's the way I like to roll. Sitting down with three co workers and Bob the middle of. I mean, you hear about I mean, you have a license to do whatever you want. Nobody. Nobody would talk about it. Right. Well, I guess there are probably some restrictions that were not a wet like there's probably some the I don't know. I mean, I have no idea crossing line. I mean, probably, but I wouldn't know what they are so different. If you're if you're stripping down naked and seeing karaoke co workers, I would believe that's crossing. Is that we'll never Gary was telling us that story about being out here with some clients. I forget what country they were from. But like one of like, you know, they're out drinking and everything and one of them kind of put his hand in a two familiar spot on one of the ladies, and it was like, whoa, right? Right. And it was sort of like cultures colliding do each other. Where like none of that. Here. You don't do that don't do that. So I don't know. I'm not saying I'm going to pull up stakes and moved to Japan yet. But. Vomiting middle of the table. Yeah. That's that's what you have to aspire to on this Friday night pushing yourself, and so that you vomit all over the table. Nothing does more than cheap tequila. Cheap vodka's bad enough cheap whiskey, but there's something about sheep to kill that is horrifying. Well, when you when you push the needle that foreign to the red where you lose bodily functions that humor in my book, and we've known one or two people have lost. Yes. More than one bodily function multiple. System failure. We were we were joking about the time, our friend, Tom who was your roommate in college. Yes few years, and we are you guys were living in the ten man. Yes. And this was a suite of five rooms to people to a room, which should never have had. That's just it should have been a legal. That's a very bad idea. So our mutual friend. Tony comes walking in and Tom's legs are in the window the rest of his bodies hanging out and he's vomiting, and Tony said you just here. And then he goes Tommy you. All right. Eight just gets the big thumbs up. Everything's okay. Everything's great. All. System. No. But yeah, there's something about cheap to kill other. You will taste it for like the next two days. I to this day. I can't drink to kill. There's a Barbier here. Well in New York terms, and might as well be over in Connecticut, but it isn't Manhattan it that way it's called the cherry tavern and on Saturday nights for five dollars. You could get a can of Takata at a shot of tequila all unnamed tequila oh now in my mid twenties. This was like I had found the promise lamp five dollars for a kid of cheap beer, and a shot of some babe I've ever even sure it was to kill out. Something wasn't just gonna those bad boys down laughing. It up have the tribal by life yet four beers and Ford's killer shots, and oh it was just that the body. Good now does not all right. All right, everyone. Listen have fun have fun. Always always have fun. You wanna avoid losing bodily functions is here if you can look you make an attempt if you care no judgment for Matty cat zero judgment for me come on sometime if you lose the control of your bowels when you're battling hard that that your son is that's fine. With me, so apart you'll lose your party and so hard now if you're trying to Swire young lady home that by right? Could be a Rudge to the words, but not necessarily dealbreaker not necessarily deal-breaker and especially on the reverse. If you're young lady and things go south that may not be a deal, breaker guy terms. I guess it could happen to the ladies to it could very well could happen does. We'll have to get some ladies on here to talk more depth about that truly love that. All right, everybody have a wonderful time this week out and godspeed into the weekend. And we will you'll hear from us next week with a plethora of wonderful podcast from the work and experience. 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