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Why, Wisconsin?

Amicus with Dahlia Lithwick

52:49 min | 4 months ago

Why, Wisconsin?

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And if you're already a member just log in at slate dot com slash logging. If in fact your goal is to be just a neutral umpire and not involve the courts in the political thicket. Why why get involved in that case? Why write an opinion? Hi and welcome back to amicus this asleep. Podcast about the law and the courts and the rule of law and the Supreme Court and I hope that you and your loved ones are doing okay and we thank you for sharing a little bit of your stay at home time with us this week so look not very long ago although it feels like it was a lifetime ago we did a huge election meltdown series on voting in the twenty twenty election and all the ways that that election might not be reflective of the national will that it might not be free and fair and all that happened before corona virus hit and we could not go another show without discussing Wisconsin and mail in balloting absentee balloting and of course now the US Supreme Court which has inserted itself right into the heart of all these issues this week so this past week the highest court in the land which is not to be sure hearing oral arguments during the current virus pandemic because that would be unsafe. told Wisconsin voters to get themselves to the polling places if they had not yet received absentee ballots and as we know now tens of thousands of wisconsinite had not so the result was just rank insanity. Wisconsin voters standing in line for hours wearing masks workers in has met suits. Milwaukee opening just five of its hundred. Eighty in person polling places because porkers quite reasonably didn't want to risk their lives for the franchise yet in the end. What you saw was an election in which people were risking their actual lives violating. Stay at home orders. And nevertheless we are going to see huge disenfranchisement in the primary well. Marc Elias is chair of the Perkins Coup Political Law Group. He represents the Democratic National Committee and the Democratic Party of Wisconsin in missile He is also one of the foremost election law experts in this country. We last spoke to him on this show in two thousand sixteen about a series of racial gerrymandering cases. He was litigating at the time but he really was at the beating heart of the lawsuit. This past week in Wisconsin and another suit in New Hampshire where response to Kovic nineteen is going to prove to be as mark has put it in a tweet recently just plowing through the last guardrail in the fast moving descent of this democracy later on in the show sleep plus members will have access to our bonus segment featuring slates own mark. Just stern marks going to run down some of the other cases in issues that we couldn't cram into this show about Wisconsin and elections. If you are not asleep plus member you can always sign up for a free two week. Trial at slate dot com slash amicus plus but right now to talk to us about what this pandemic means for the twenty twenty elections. What it meant in Wisconsin. It is a pleasure to welcome Marc Elias back to the podcast in no small measure. Because I think there are real lessons to be learned from last Tuesday and I WANNA make sure that we're learning the right one so mark without further ado welcome back. Thank you for having me. It's always a pleasure and I want to start if we could by defining the problem and by that I mean I've had so much mail from people worrying that Donald Trump is going to in the manner of Authoritarians everywhere cancel the twenty twenty election. But that's not actually the issue correct correct so I have a good news and bad news for for your audience The good news is Donald. Trump can't cancel the election. He can't move the election Federal Election Day is set As the Tuesday following the first Monday in November and we will have an election on that day The only way that that date could move would be a new act of Congress and obviously that's That's not going to happen so that's good news. The bad news is we're going to have an election on the Tuesday following the first Monday in November. And we're going to have that election whether as a country we are prepared for it or we're not and so whatever needs to focus on is how do we take the steps now to make sure that when we get to November. We don't have a circumstance like we had in Wisconsin But without any of the remedies that might otherwise be available to state in the primaries where they could for example move a primary in November. There's moving the election so we've got to got to spend the time now to get ready so that we don't have a problem In November so maybe mark I can put the same question through a slightly different frame and that is to say throughout the last couple of shows. We've been talking about. How in a weird way federalism and decentralisation generally of the United States government has been a reason we haven't seen a lot of massive power grabs violations of civil liberties. But the problem is that federalism states rates decentralisation particularly in the election context where you have a Affiliate highly politicized county state municipal systems. All working it means you're not going to have a big sort of Viktor. Orban style power. Grab but you're just going to have a whole bunch of chaos partisanship and self dealing. It's not exactly the civil liberties problem we're talking about. It's a different set of problems right. It is and you know the the system of democracy in this country works not only because there are rules and laws but because there are norms and expected behavior and what we've learned is that Donald Trump doesn't abide those norms. And that's that's played out in a whole host of areas where we've seen really really problematic Conduct on the on. The part of the president that among other things led to his impeachment But elections are no different right elections start with the assumption that everyone wants the same thing which is a free and fair election and everybody wants the same thing which is every eligible voter to be able to participate in have their vote counted and the problem we are facing is that The Republican Party under Donald Trump has simply deviated off that norm Try to imagine the Republican Party. Even of George W Bush a few years ago taking the position publicly that that it took a in the courts in Wisconsin. Which is that notwithstanding the fact that there was a pandemic notwithstanding the fact that there were massive po closures Notwithstanding the fact that voters couldn't get witnesses to witness absentee ballots that they were going to both insist that the election move forward And also move forward under terms that guaranteed that large swath of the population wouldn't be able to participate so so you know what worries me is. Yes the problems of federalism For sure but it's a particular kind problem which is that. The president is states is standing in the White House at the podium. Saying that voters shouldn't be able to participate under some circumstances and Republican elected officials all the way from from from Senate house down to governors secretaries of state are hearing that message. And that's the problem that that that even though it's a federal system it is still one that is that we're the signals coming from the top are really loud and clear and I guess. We'd be remiss if we didn't know that. Donald Trump was seating this argument even during the two thousand sixteen election. He was saying there's going to be massive vote fraud. There's going to be buses of illegal voters. He was prepared. I think to contest the results of the presidential election in two thousand sixteen just on this absolutely fallacious proposition that there is massive voter fraud and that Democrats steal election so this in some sense I mean. I think you're right that there's a norm that's collapsed but in another sense this far predated Kovin. Oh I totally agree I. I've been I've been talking about this for months now. The the only difference is that in light of Cova people are now much more Focused on this but I am already litigating. More than twenty voting cases in fourteen and those predated covert. Because you're right. This is a message that. Donald Trump and the Republican National Committee have been sending loud and clear for many months or years The only thing that's changed from two thousand sixteen to now is number one. He has decided that The the problem he was prepared to say was in place in twenty in two thousand sixteen was large numbers of undocumented. Immigrants Voting in person and now the focus of his species allegations is voting by mail The only other change is really is a really really significant one though. Which is that in. Two Thousand Sixteen wasn't clear how much the Republican Party was willing to sign on to that. So you know. If Donald Trump had had lost the election it was to be seen how much other Republicans were have signed onto the notion This is Donald Trump's Republican party And so when Donald Trump says we have problems with vote by mail. You know you start to see State. Local officials Echo that and so. It's a much more problematic circumstance than in two thousand sixteen mark. One of the reasons I wanted to talk to you is because I think Wisconsin is both its own pathological voting nightmare and also because I think as many elections experts have told us in the last couple of days. Wisconsin is every state it's emblematic of save the states that already have really effective vote by mail systems. This could happen anywhere and I wondered if we could pry those two things apart for a minute. Because in one sense Wisconsin is a long-standing Canary in the coal mine on Vote Suppression on voter. Id on Gerrymandering all the stuff that you work on. So let's do one cut at this in which you talk about the ways in which you know for instance the extreme Gerrymander from twenty eleven. That somehow has Wisconsin. Republicans holding two thirds of the seats in the state assembly. Although they win less than half the votes that's really Wisconsin specific as is some of the vote suppression stuff around voter. Id So tell us which parts of what we saw. This week are really specific to the crazy way. Wisconsin has been operating on voting. So look I think that. Wisconsin is both an outlier but also speaks to the problems in many many states. So yeah there's no question. That there is reinforcing Problems in democracy. Where you have were you start with a highly gerrymandered state legislature that then reinforces that Gerrymander by gerrymandering further than reinforces that by having voting rules. That make it even more difficult to overcome those gerrymanders right. So these are all kind of reinforcing in some sense Incumbent Party protections right you you I make the seats hard for for you to lose just based on partisan divide and then you make them even harder to lose based on who can vote. And then the other thing in Wisconsin. Of course that we saw that was underlying most of of the. I think the fervor on the Republican side was a state. Supreme Court seat was up. So then you pay particular attention to your State Supreme Court because it would be the one body at this point that could undo the gerrymandering or the vote suppression by interpreting the State Constitution to prohibit those things so it is very much a reinforcing circle that said. Wisconsin is not a completely unique circumstance. I mean you can look at North Carolina. You could look at Florida You can look at Texas And you know those legislatures certainly give the Wisconsin legislature or run for the money when it comes to passing Voter Suppression Laws. And you know. Litigation has improved the the Gerrymander in North Carolina but it is still an overwhelmingly Republican legislature. Florida had fair district amendments. That made the gerrymandering somewhat better. But you still have a system where the Republicans control both houses of legislature and the governor. And of course Texas Your remains a perennial problem both with respect to gender gerrymandering in voting rights. And I'm just making those states out I could. I could add to that other states As well but but all of these democracy principles are reinforcing. They are all aimed to have the same goal. Which is to put a thumb on the scale to to prevent Everyone's vote from counting equally. And one way you prevent everyone's vote from nucleus through Gerrymandering one way you prevent. Everyone's vote from accounting. Equally is by Putting restrictions on how votes are counted and one way the most extreme oil is simply by preventing people from being able to vote at all. And that's the that's the most extreme That we saw in Wisconsin. This but but they're all the same kind and it's worth. I think saying you flicked it but let's let's pick this a little bit more that one of the things that made this extraordinarily salient for the state. Republican Party was that there was a state Supreme Court seat very contested State Supreme Court seat. That was up for grabs in this primary that no lesser person than Donald Trump had weighed in on this election. And I guess I'm wondering how much I always feel as though the conversation about whether we should be electing State Supreme Court justices is sidelined in the conversation around voting rights. But is this one of those moments where you can say. Oh my God. Why do we have partisan races states for Supreme Court justices? That will someday do exactly what the State Supreme Court did here which is weighing in on an election. Yeah look I think that I think it's really problematic that that we have elected judges in this country to the extent we do And I think that the notion of having elected judiciaries at the state level worked for a long Long period of time in our country because those elections were not partisan is in other words they were not. They were relatively sleepy affairs. You know you'd have. Typically someone will get appointed to a position they would stand for some kind of retention election and there wouldn't really be large money involved or a partisan partisan forces but but again that's a norm that broke down like that that was never a law that was just a norm. And now you see what you see. And then when the Wisconsin Supreme Court is is then put in the position of deciding whether or not to postpone the election. Well of course it divides on the on the partisan or ideological lines because it has become such a focal point in the partisan divide over democracy in Wisconsin. So let's also break those two out because we had one action that was On Monday the governor Democratic Governor Tony Evers who had been begging the legislature to do something Without any results finally just took it upon himself to cancel election To bump it forward to June that was blocked as you just said by the Wisconsin Supreme Court. Then there was separate litigation. Which is the one that I think is the one we're here to talk about which just has to do with something that was filed Earlier that was a question about extending the absentee ballot. So that voters could have an extra week to get their ballots in by mail Judge Conley ruled in this that the ballots didn't have to be postmarked by Election Day As long as they were received by April thirteenth that was the issue that went to the seventh circuit the seventh circuit a conservative court agrees. And that's the one that goes on to the US Supreme Court. So can you just? I know it's complicated. But Walk me through the that litigation so you just said something that I think is one of the key facts of this that I feel like lost the coverage so I just I wanna go back to it because it's spot on right. This didn't go from a District Court judge in In Wisconsin to the US Supreme Court. Everyone has overlooked in much of the coverage that this went to the seventh circuit. Which as you point out is in fact one of the most conservative circuits in the country. So it's not like you know this arrived at the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court had to unpack you know and review for the first time what had been done by a single district court judge in In Wisconsin This was fully briefed on appeal by the Republican National Committee and the Republican Legislature. To the seventh circuit the seven circuit looked at. This actually made some Some modifications to the original order and then it went to the Supreme Court where the Supreme Court Briefing was done was was completed on Sunday and a ruling came out late on Monday. And so you know a part of me wants to ask the question and I know your job is to ask the questions. I'm to give the answers but if the Supreme Court is supposed to be playing a modest role in and only answering the questions that they have to answer That are that are pressing Why to the Supreme Court feel the need? Why did the majority feel the need to at all weigh in on on this case on on what was extraordinarily expedited basis on the eve of the election? After a trial court until they full evidentiary hearing end. And this is why I say you really hit the nail and a circuit court that is among the most conservative in the country had weighed in That to be speaks to part of what made the Supreme Court's decision and actions extraordinary Because if you were if you were in fact concerned that there are no democratic judges in there. No Republican judges and there are no Obama justices and there are no You know trump justices Which I think is a paraphrase of what the chief justices said here. It is a case arrives on your desk. That involves a judicial selection in the state of Wisconsin. Not exactly something that would be at the height of of the concern of the US Supreme Court right. It's not even a federal election at that point. It's a judicial election in in In in Wisconsin the case is styled Republican National Committee versus Democratic National Committee. Okay if in fact your goal is to be just a neutral umpire and not involve the courts in the political thicket. Why why get involved in that case? Why write an opinion? A why even have there be a written procurer in my opinion. Why not just let the the work of the Seventh Circuit Stand Without comment from the Supreme Court. So this didn't have to bless. The seven circuit's decision. It didn't have to reverse it. It could have just said you know what this is. Among the tens of thousands of cases we get asked to take emergency action on. We can just pass on this one. So that's my question to you. Well and I think you know one of the reasons. What you're saying is so important is because the procurement opinion makes it sound as though the only thing issue is like crazy drunk judge. Conley like running around making up rules on the eve of the election and sort of writing the seventh circuit out of it. So they really are at pains. I think to make it sound as though this one. Renegade district judge had single-handedly Sort of thrown off the entire electoral process. And I think that also got lost in the coverage it did. It did the seven. That's why I that's why I wanted to focus on your question because honestly I've been interviewed and asked a lot about About those kinds of situations and you are the first one to focus on the the fact of the seven circuits roll here and you're right it got written. It's barely mentioned in in this super in the majority opinion in Spring Court and it has not really been mentioned much by the by the media that's covered this and I do think that that is something that makes this different than for example case that went up either three judge panel where there was no court of Appeals You know Like a voting rights act case Or addition case. Or even you know where it went through a circuit that has more of a reputation for a leftward tilt and therefore you know conservatives could say well you know that was just the crazy ninth circuit or or whatever. The seventh circuit's literally may be the most conservative circuit in the country. We are now paused to hear from one of our great sponsors and that is Sikora if you are looking to change your diet instead of restricting what you eat what if instead you were to nourish your body with the healthiest and most nutritious foods around with Sikora. 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That's the Kara S. A. K. A. R. A. Dot Com slash amicus to get twenty percent off your first order. Sakarov dot com slash amicus and now back to our conversation with Mark Elias Chair of Perkins Cui's political law group where he is a nationally recognized authority and expert in campaign finance voting rights and redistricting law and litigation. He is also considered one of the leading recount and post-election attorneys in the country so there's another factual problem that I want you to clear up because the other thing that the procurement team. It's worth saying. This is an unsigned opinion right. This is Bush v Gore again. Nobody's name is on the majority Opinion Ruth Bader Ginsburg writes the descent unsurprisingly signed by the courts quote Unquote Liberal Wing. But one of the things that the court says over and over in the procurement mark is that the plaintiff the residents here had never requested the extension to return ballots after April seven. That the relief that Had been given was not sought and the sense is will. That's not right but can you help us understand. This seems like a profound misreading on. Someone's part yeah. I think that the that the the majority mis-read this either. Because of the rush they were in although it's in our briefs that we submitted a To the to the court so it was available to them. But let me just give you if I can the two minute version of what happened here. Because it also casts I think Judge Connolly in a much more sympathetic or or correct light so the the original lawsuit that we filed for the DNC and the Wisconsin Democratic Party asked for a number of deadlines to be extended extended absentee ballot application deadline. Extend the absentee ballot receipt deadline and extend the postmark divine. So here. Here's here's why the Conservatives were able to play a little bit of sleight of hand in the majority opinion which again your observation on. This is like that on that it was procurement. At some point. Someone should dig into why? Why why it was an unsigned opinion of the five justices in the majority Because that's unusual that's an unusual circumstance but but So we found this judge commonly held a hearing and he noted that other. It's regular terms. Wisconsin law required ballots to be received by eight PM on Election Day. So that Wisconsin didn't have a postmark rule. It had a receipt rule. So what Judge Conley actually said was. I can't give you a postmark deadline as a relief because Wisconsin law doesn't allow for a postmark deadline for relief. What I can do is I can move the receipt by Date to the thirteenth. Because that is a more modest steps to take in light of the policy preferences. The State of Wisconsin has set out to go by receipt gate rather than Bhai Postmark. So Judge Judge Connolly in moving the receipt date to the thirteenth was actually trying to be a judicial conservative. He was trying not to do radical surgery to the to the statute we then and this is where the majority opinion is is incorrect. We then embraced that that remedy we then said yes. In fact people ought to be able to vote and as long as it's by the thirteenth count so we we did. In fact request that relief it was not the initial relief we requested but as you know and as any of the lawyers in the audience now you oftentimes amend or or alter the relief sought by facts and circumstances so as the hearing went on and we're hearing from voters and hearing from election officials as to what was possible and also what was administratively possible and what the burdens being faced by the voters. Were we adopted the idea of of of the received by the by the thirteenth as early as a remedy. That's why the seventh circuit understood that and upheld judge. Connolly's relief because it provided fuller relief to voters but it was actually a more modest judicial action because it didn't require rewriting the statute one of the things that people comment by what the Supreme Court did in imposing postmark or granting the postmarked by which was impart the original relief we saw it the Supreme Court actually sort of just created that there is no statutory basis upon which the Supreme Court imposed the postmark deadline. That is in fact. Part of the original relief we sought but it was a much more judicially a interventionist step than what the District Court had actually thought so just to be super clear. What you're saying is when it came to sort of judicial creation of new elections law. It's actually the Supreme Court who does it. Not Judge Connolly at the District Court Andrea present. No question 'cause that's why and by the way that's why the conservative southern circuit agreed with Judge Connolly. John connally was actually not really doing much surgery with the law. He was addressing the balance between voter rights to be able to vote and the existing structure of Wisconsin Law. And that's why it was a relatively minimalist. It was particularly creative or activist act on his part which lies seven circuit adopted. The Supreme Court sort of did this weird thing. Which is it actually took a much more interventionist activist position in remedy but actually then disenfranchise. More voters judge connally was enfranchising. Voters doing the least amount of change to Wisconsin law the. Us Supreme Court did the most changes to constant law and enfranchise fewer voters. So so this is all feeling very technical but then I think the court pivots in starts to cite this case pursell versus Gonzales. The longstanding rule that courts should be reluctant to jump into election procedures close to the date of the election and they make this argument that you know. Oh it's it's kind of the Bush. V Gore argument again. You Know Oh we have to just all lean back because You know it's not appropriate for the courts to intercede and of course it sort of ignores the fact that there's already chaos but can you talk for a minute about. I think there is this very again sneaky and pernicious sleight of hand here. Where the implication is judge Connolly is interfering with elections in introducing chaos into the system. What we're doing is not that. I think that that's a longstanding Roberts. Court trick I wonder if you could talk about that for a SEC. Yeah and again. I think you're spot on which is why half the people say to me that the opinion was authored by Cavanaugh. And the other half tell me it must have been authored by Roberts because it does have cavenaugh would make sense. Because it's his the application because of the circuit came up to justice. Cavanaugh Roberts though you're correct it reads more like a Roberts kind of lamenting that just have to get involved. So I I don't know who wrote the procure opinion But but you're entirely right the the issue with the doctrine for your audience who doesn't know basically says the judges should not make last minute changes to election laws that are going to confuse voters and therefore potentially prejudice them. That's the idea the idea that if if if voters have an expectation about how the election system is GONNA run making last minute changes through. The courts can have a detrimental effect on voters. Because they they can they can be thrown off per cell really has now been turned from a shield to protect voters By the Roberts Court into a sword to essentially disenfranchise voters. Which which really if you think about it makes no sense. Why would you worry about Changes IN ELECTION PROCEDURES. That are going to enfranchise voters right. The original purpose of pursell was was literally the reverse. But but in any event What's interesting about the pursell argument that they make is twofold number one? A large number voters believed after Judge collies order and after the seven circuits order that in fact they now had till the thirteenth. So you know the Supreme Court then and I think there's a pretty good due process claim for one of those voters if their ballot is now not counted after the election. To say look I was relying on a on a federal court order. And how can you now snatch that from me by another federal court so so I think the pursell argument really cuts the other way But in addition to that Going back to the point that we were just talking about about whether the lower court or the supreme court was the more activist here. The Supreme Court interjected the postmarked by India's opinion for the first time that was not in either the Conley opinion or the or the seventh circuit opinion and yet that escaped personnel. I mean think about it so you know if I'm a lower court and by the way this is an argument that you'll see me making in other states now moving forward that we're we're we're we are urging state where we are urging courts to strike down received by deadlines and replaced him with postmark deadline. So that more voters can vote when those states now say in federal courts per cell doesn't allow that because that's a last-minute election change. My answer is well Spring Court allowed that they'd act. This record initiated it the day before the election so apparently enfranchising voters in that way doesn't raise arguments. Can you segue for one minute into telling us what happened on the ground? Particularly you know in Wisconsin voters I said in my introduction. People were standing in line People horrific stories about people you know having to abandon ailing Loved ones to go vote. But one of the things that you've been arguing for a long long long time. Is that all this disenfranchisement whether it's through voter id or whatever else Falls hardest on the poorest Americans on African Americans and native Americans and Latino voters. Can you give us some sense? I know we don't have any kind of comprehensive tally of what it looked like. But we know what happens when urban areas go from hundreds of polling places to five? What's your sense of justice? Ginsburg said thousands of voters will be disenfranchised in her dissent. Is that what in fact looks like how it's going to be more than thousands it's GonNa be tens of thousands. It could be even higher than that but it's more than it's more. I don't want to disagree with Justice Ginsburg or anything. But but it's but it's the absentee ballot situation itself is going to be in the tens of thousands. I mean forget. Forget about the fact that Milwaukee had five open pulling locations in the entire city and we saw debilitating long lines. And yeah the absentee ballot Cut off their. You've we've all seen stories. Post offices hadn't even delivered the absentee ballots For people to vote by election day there was massive Set of issues involving the Postal Service. Which is under tremendous strain already to coverted And you know the requirement of a witness you know made it impossible for many voters to vote And that's before you get to the in person voting and we saw hours long lines and the fact is that nobody wants to wait in line for five hours even when the skies are blue the birds are chirping and everyone is healthy. They certainly are not gonNA WANNA wait in line for five hours when there's a pandemic going on and people have to risk their lives so I think this is going to be among the largest if not the largest suppressive of voting episode in my professional career You know just in terms of total numbers. Pink it's going to be a staggering number of voters were ended up being disenfranchised and before we leave Wisconsin. I WanNa ask you one last question. That is sort of formed the backbone of so much of the discussions we've had in our election coverage in the last few months and that is just if the net effect of this isn't simply as you've said widespread vote suppression but also massive failure of confidence. The what is the point in voting? The whole system sucks now. We can add to the trash heap. It looks like the Federal Judiciary is completely biased and that both state Supreme Court and the US Supreme Court put a finger on the thumb. Put their thumb on the scale for their own team. I guess I want to ask the sort of Zeitgeist question which is how damaging is it to those norms. You talked about at the beginning when you have voters who witnessed just a spectacular failure of the franchise and just walk away from Wisconsin and everything else just saying. There's just no point the whole thing is cooked in fixed and the courts are in on it too. I think that if that takes hold that will be devastating. I feel like that that narrative has taken hold with redistricting candidly And I think that that's going to have a tremendous effect when it comes to districting After the the twenty The twenty twenty senses Frankly I feel like there's some of that about the census too I mean. The fact is the trump administration couldn't cancel the census. But it was a but but it could defunding away that you have a highly distorted result of WHO's counting. Who's not and in some sense? Wisconsin represents the same thing but in an election which is literally they couldn't cancel the election They wouldn't let it be moved but they could make it so. The voting rules were so hard for people to execute their vote under that. It's a highly distorted rea- result that you get from who voted and who didn't and in both cases you have the US Supreme Court sort of throwing. Its hands up and saying well. I guess there's really nothing for us to do here. In the case of redistricting they literally threw up their hands and said we have no role here in this case. They claimed that there was little that they could do both the but the very little they did. was counterproductive And I said this earlier and I want to repeat it. I I I wish that someone at the Supreme Court would have looked at the caption of this case and said do we really want in an election year in which we know passions are gonNA run high. And there's going to be a lot of quasi-judicial activity around voting. Do we really WANNA case entitled Republican National Committee Versus Democratic National Committee to be the case in which the conservative justices are lined up supporting the Republican National Committee effort to restrict voting rights. And for all that justice that she the chief justice has spoken about. How important it is that the judiciary not be viewed through that Lens. I really think this was just an unforced error in that in that regard in terms of public confidence. I need you to throw us a bone and tell us something happy. Talk about New Hampshire. Yeah I'll tell you a few things that are happy so in the last few weeks You know we. We settled the case with Georgia over signature matching signature matching as a part of absentee balloting. When they compare the signature on the envelope with the signature on on file with registration in many states that matching process is very opaque and does not give voters the opportunity to Have their their signature fairly judged or an opportunity to cure and we sued Georgia and Georgia settled with us. That was a positive The State of Florida settled a longstanding lawsuits that we had had with them over placing early votes centers on college campuses They had the Florida had banned Early vote centers on college campuses. So they were allowed to any public building on college campuses we sued and we won the legislature then came back and passed a new law saying that the couldn't be placed in any in any location that doesn't have a non permitted parking which was a which was a way of again getting back to college campuses and the Secretary of State of Florida settled that case with us. Centigrade issued a new directive saying that law does not prohibit putting a early voting sense on sites on college campuses and so That was a real positive and then just yesterday. Just the other day rather Just earlier this week we settled the case I'm not settled. We WanNA case in federal district in State Court in New Hampshire where the court struck down. Senate bill three which was the domicile law that was passed by Republicans in two thousand seventeen and effort to prevent a college students from voting in New Hampshire so these were all good developments on on the voting rights front and we continue to litigate. You know a number of cases around the country and our yeah having success in a number of them because for the most part at the at the if you if you look at these laws that are that are suppressive You know courts are still the best. Hope we have. Despite what happened in Wisconsin courts are still the best hope. We have to protect voting rights. So I have to have to make two points One is that where the political branches fail and we are seeing. The political branches failed to protect voting rights because Republicans don't want them to succeed. The federal courts have to step in its it is one of the core functions of the federal courts is to protect fundamental constitutional rights of individuals and voting rights are central among them. The second thing is just a caution to the to the audience for the future. If the if the Republican National Committee was willing to spend all of this effort and capital and money over a judicial election in Wisconsin. Just Ask Yourself. What will they be willing to do for November right? So if if if you ask yourself you know why would the RNC of gone to all of this effort for state judicial election? Just imagine what. When we'RE IN SEPTEMBER OCTOBER NOVEMBER. They will be willing to do to affect the presidential and congressional and Senate elections in November. And that's something to be concerned about. I have a few minutes left mark and I feel like what I really want you to speak to is something you scooped up yet a great piece in the Atlantic that said I I'm summarizing. Folks should just read it but the sad this goes beyond. Just you know no excuse. Absentee balloting and mail in ballots. And you list some other things that have to change and I'm struck by the fact that part of what's happening is the window is closing clearly for either federal changes or state changes to solve the cove problem. We saw In Wisconsin. But I think what you're saying this doesn't necessarily have to be a thing that Congress lashes onto the next Release Bill. This is something that states need to be pressed to do. Am I misreading you are you? Are you saying that in his foot race to get very limited amount of time to get this resolved in time for the two thousand election pushing for massive federal money to do? This may not be our best bet that this is something we should be doing. State-by-state as quick as we can so I think it's too I think it's two different pieces number. One Congress needs appropriate money to the states so that they can fund the elections. The fact is the postal service. Right now is set to run out of money in in June. It plays a vital role in elections and states right now taxed under the pressure of Kovic for as a as a health epidemic and that's taxing their budgets and remember most states have a balanced budget requirement in their state constitutions. So they need money in order to simply be able to do the blocking and tackling to hold elections. But but you're right the the We can't overlook the things that states cannon to do to make sure that not only is there access to vote by mail that there is safe and available access to in person voting. We saw seven and a half hour long lines before covert in Texas. We saw long lines in in In California before cove and we obviously saw debilitating long lines in Wisconsin During covert and are. St- election system is quite rickety and it is not set up to handle the kind of external pressures and shocks that. Come from high turnout or from Covadonga from other other crises so there are some simple things states can do that. Shouldn't be partisan but we'll see like you know making sure that we use that. We recruit a new generation of homework or so in two thousand eighteen More than two thirds of all poll workers over the age of sixty Twenty five percent were over the age of seventy one things. I propose in that. Atlantic piece for example is that colleges and universities give credit give course credit to students who are willing to be trained and work as election workers and that they received pay as well that states turn their civil servants not their political appointees but their civil servants into poll workers have them be trained. We expand curbside voting So that people can vote in their cars right. We set up the voting booth so to speak right out right on the right on the street corner or out on the curb right. The school you get checked in you get a ballot in your car. You voted I. I would note that the national review had an article online That that That endorse this. That I tweeted. I was happy to say that I thought that made sense so so there are things that we that states can do. Now that should be non ideological that don't help Democrats or Republicans. Just help everyone vote. Nobody wins when a city goes from having a hundred eighty some odd polling locations to five. I mean candidate may win or a party may win but but the system really fails and democratic election and and Republican local election officials need to ban together to take these kinds of steps to ensure that everyone wants to vote by mail can do so that ballot counted and not be rejected aronie asleep and people who prefer to vote in person and they're going to be people who prefer to vote in person. They need to be given the opportunity to do so without waiting in lines without jeopardizing their health. So what I'm hearing you say and I. This is my last question I really want to hear. You refine refined. What you just said. Is that folks who are out there who are crestfallen heartbroken about Wisconsin and who are feeling like the fixes in and this is certainly not something that can be remediated by November of two thousand twenty. You're saying yes and call call and make sure that the next bailout package has funds to give the states a chance at having fair elections and also make sure that your state is coming online to do the kinds of things that can be done that materially help and all that stuff is where we should be putting our energy right. Not Get drunk and give up. I'm not pessimistic about about holding free and fair elections in November. I I'm realistic. I'm realistic that. This is not going to be a bipartisan endeavor. I'm realistic that. The Republican National Committee announced a ten million dollar fund to Fight Voting Rights in court. I'm realistic about the fact that they went to the Supreme Court in Wisconsin and I'm realistic. Donald Trump is going to continue to demagogue on this issue in that many. Republican officials are GonNA follow his lead but I'm also realistic that there are many hard-working election officials at the state and local level. Who are Democrats and Republicans who want their elections to succeed? I hear occasionally from local Republican election officials who are upset by what they hear at the national level. Because they don't they they've committed their lives to make sure that election succeed in their communities. So it's going to be a combination of Congress providing the funds and people keeping the pressure on this issue and not letting it fade into the background making it a priority that that this is something that that we need to focus on and then finally I remain optimistic. Notwithstanding Wisconsin that the federal courts in the state courts remain the best chance to make sure that voting rights are protected. And so I and others will be bringing those cases in court And hopefully we will have more results like we recently had an in New Hampshire. Marc Elias is chair of the Perkins Coup Political Law Group. He represents the Democratic National Committee and represented the Democratic Party of Wisconsin in this week's Litigation he is also one of the foremost elections. Experts in this country has been working so hard to make this system work mark. You gave us a lot of your time. We are so grateful for what you do. Thank you thank you. And that is a wrap for this episode of amicus. Thank you so much for listening in and thank you so much for your letters and your questions you can always keep in touch with us at amicus at slate dot com or you can find us at facebook dot com slash. Anka's podcast. We want to know what you're worrying about and thinking about so keep in touch. Today's show was produced by Sarah Bernhardt. Imperial Roth is editorial director of sleep. Cast and you. Thomas is senior managing Sir of Cazin and back with you another episode of Amicus in two weeks till then take good care.

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The Barrett Brief- Wisconsin SC Voids Governors Stay At Home Order

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10:10 min | 3 months ago

The Barrett Brief- Wisconsin SC Voids Governors Stay At Home Order

"All right let's lay the groundwork. We got an audio clip here from a local Wisconsin news outlet talking about the Wisconsin Supreme Court siding with the Republicans. And getting rid of these stay at home orders now we are just hearing that the court has issued its ruling and they have decided that Governor Ige and state health secretary-designate overstepped their authority by extending that order to May twenty six so the State Supreme Court has essentially overturned that ruling. Now we have to figure out what this will mean for the rest of the state at one point it was said when that order took effect there would be at least six days before the state opens up again but now we'll have to see where we go from here. I really. It's not a lot. It's not along long. One It it's the first real Bush back. We've seen legislators church. The Mike Church show Has talked about how he is He wrote his local legislature and after he had a little soy fit he decided to step up. But they haven't really done anything in the legislature. Pennsylvania tried to overrun overrun override. The governor's orders there and yet none of these things have seemed to have a lasting impact. And so one now. We're going with this legal action from Newsweek. Dot coms Geoffrey Martin Wisconsin South Carolina Up South Carolina. My goodness folks Wisconsin Supreme Court right sides with Republicans. Rules Governor's administration overstepped authority with stay at home extensions and a four three ruling. The Wisconsin Supreme Court said Wednesday that members of Democratic governor. Tony Evers Administration overstepped its authority by extending the states. Without it'd be states stayed home. Orders in March originally said to expire April Evers and Wisconsin Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Andrea Palm pushed. I to put that together Andrea Palm push the expiration date of the order out until may twenty six university unilaterally with probably very little to no proof of it and so I'm glad to see Republicans actually filing suit. I'm glad to see people pushing back. Because if not they're just gonNA keep doing this. They're gonNA keep weaponising. The health department's GONNA keep weaponising bad data and they're going to continue to expand as much power as they have gotten right. They're able to seize an a an absurd and absurd amount of power in a very short time. Think about like a five year old with a With one of those pixie sticks full of sugar and now you know that amount of sugar and a five year old not a great thing the the amount of power that these governors who have been thirsting for power for a long time the amount of power they were able to absorb take Well just those two in a small amount of time. They're they're still riding high on it. The sugar high of this kind of authority that has been granted to them so according to the ruling palms order confining all people to their homes forbidding travel and closing businesses acceded palms power exceeded palms the power. Yeah you didn't write that correctly Jeffrey. Maybe you should proof. Read a one more time exceeded palms power given under Wisconsin statutes. The her extension of the order was declared unlawful invalid on on forcible. Essentially it is. Hey this lady is on elected. She cannot make this decision. And if you look at a map if you look at Kobe map of Wisconsin if you look at a covert map of Wisconsin. All the cases are in Milwaukee most of the state is not greatly impacted by Kovin. So what we're dealing with. What we're looking at is an abuse of power once again. Cities overrunning Kong counties rural areas. We'll because there was a problem in New York. The entire country had to shut down. Because there's a problem in Milwaukee. The entire state has the shutdown. That shouldn't be how goes in indefinitely. It absolutely should not be done by somebody who has no accountability to the people. This is impacting which is why. I'm glad it was the state Supreme Court in Wisconsin. That struck this down and so then it gets into a bunch of different legal speak L. They want an injunction for six days. And all these other all this other funny stuff that they do now All of that aside yes. They've they've put in other things as well right. Other local counties have put injunctions and all this legal fight. I'd rather have the legal fight though. I'd rather have this legal fight happen between these two then states like California where. La County has extended their stay at home order until August. And everybody's like hey. This is not great but It's not you know they're just Kinda like what are you going to do? That is the collective response from the people of California. What are you GONNA do? At least in Wisconsin. You're Republican legislature is fighting back the legislature in Pennsylvania tried to you. I don't know what they're doing at this point And so the more pushback these people get hopefully right the more pushback that they get the less likely they would be to do this now. I know that the little pie in the sky but at the same time we have to realize that we have to do something we have. We have to do something too long. We've sat around and just said What are we going to do about it? What are you GonNa do about it now? People like my church actually did reach out to their legislature. And then there's other acts of civil disobedience that you can engage in don't work I'll go grab like a A Red Bull during the break acts of civil disobedience that you can actually do that you must do but we also have to to attack this from a legal perspective as well. We at least have to try. We have to try at this point. Four five two seven eight seven to three and really if you live in Wisconsin or Pennsylvania. War Definitely in Michigan with Queen Karen of how soccer mom governor Whitmer and these people get reelected. Somehow I mean I know how they'll get reelected all these in Pennsylvania Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and Harrisburg Wisconsin. It's Milwaukee in In Michigan Detroit and a couple of other areas that overrule the will of everybody else. But if there's not enough people even in these cities even in these cities that are like we can't do this anymore. This is just terrible leadership. Then y'all get what you deserve. I know people in California. We didn't vote for this. You did though you get what you deserve. You want to vote for a Democrat. Democrats have not exactly hidden. They've not exactly kept under wraps their desires for expansive government and authority. And it's not like we haven't heard them say never let a crisis go to waste So when they show up and they start assuming power and you go how. Why are they doing because they've been telling you they've just been trying to do it? Through ways of expansive Medicaid or trying to give more voting rights to people. That aren't technically here like legal aliens or any of these other things. They've been trying to do it. They've been trying to go around about but instead they've been given an expressway right now. They're going to take it. Don't be shocked when they run you over with it.

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Friday 9/20/19 - Wisconsin Dells With Big Cat

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20:26 min | 11 months ago

Friday 9/20/19 - Wisconsin Dells With Big Cat

"Rei Bang Bang today is Friday September Twenty Chicago Dog Walk Guests the day back in town big cap what's up. I'm happy to be here. Yes Greg glad to have you back yeah we we just did the just had some. JP Grazziano that was a free ad right there for them. You got the ad later later a free. One double ads yeah delicious. They hooked me up because I wasn't even a not eating carbs during the week yeah trying to get skinny so that I can be around for my son. They hooked it up. They gave me a little salad alad rap Italian sub and we got a national decor- here now if you watch the video dog walks on video now Dan if you didn't know Oh fuck yeah it's on video so yeah so watch Lucille la AH bucket of Jardaneh right there so today we're gonNA be talking about straight down to Wisconsin dells. I wrote down the time so I like. I try to keep these fifteen to twenty minutes. Am So then I just look at your computer and like me good signs but like you just never know you like that an internal clock. I was confused because like when you're doing a podcast with someone you're staring eye-to-eye with them yeah well. They write something. You're like. I do like what like sleeping out Sam there are no because I've been on shows before and that's how they they mark the timeframes and and that's how they cut a little behind the scenes. PMT We just hope that cuts it would have the time we say cut it but we don't mean cut it so it's very it's a slippery slope. Have you been in a situation where hank cut it and you're like dude like no. I think he's very liberal because we usually don't. I don't think we ever ever cut things more than maybe one every month down. Cut something. Maybe that's it but it's usually just like fuck up yeah so there's just like an the ad ad writer something yeah okay. That's fair. I archives of the there probably is something there but you probably forgot by now. I don't even know what that means like. You know what I mean like. There probably is something where you're like. Hank like you should seriously meant you to cut that yeah yeah yeah like he has it. Usually I like something slip through the cracks like the George Brett video where sure I ping Tom Myself and kept the GOPRO in the bathroom. So there's a video of me. Wiping chilly out of my ass getting full naked eye peeping Tom Myself I made hank watch it back and then deleted all that is he's the best it's producer. was that a tough situation. Between two or you guys like no a little moments. Trust good so we're recording this show on Thursday because because you are going back to Madison he up on Friday Yup Kawbar college game it will be on Saturday and when we want to talk about I'm actually taking a trip to Wisconsin as well but not Madison Wisconsin dells fuck. Yes yes so the boat. The two of us have probably different experiences. I would go up. There was like a kid for like a little mini weekend vacation and unusual this Ark Noah's are wilderness. Oh yeah hit all those and then your experience as a college student you know like you. I didn't know there was a thing so you guys get bombed and here we got a whole chunk. Yes we would do a couple of things with no Wisconsin del Noah's Ark the indoor water parks awesome little. LS Awesome when you're an adult because this little weird which plays Noah's Ark the indoor. That's the biggest year yeah. It's the biggest indoor some saying. It's like a little weird when you're an adult going yeah. This is an whatever member Tony Romo went there. I mainly like him more though yeah. I don't know I feel like if you get to a certain it listen. I Love Wisconsin dells so I'm not going to this is not shaming but if you get to a certain economic bracket maybe you can didn't like get sick pool and just have a Iraq yard be knows arc like have like two water slides intertwine okay so the indoor waterpark are awesome yeah so the to the other two things that I've always done in the dells crews anchovies okay which you have to go to it is a the greatest name for very strip club ever Cruzan chubby driving on by getting a Chubby puts. Here's the thing I I kind of disagree with you because there's two strip clubs in town. One is is cruising Chevy's. One is Wisconsin bowels. Yeah Wisconsin Dolls in Wisconsin dells is pretty fucking awesome and also I'm partial to pull cats in Indiana yeah which is also the landing strip in Indiana which is also correct all right so that was in a strip club named talk. We should actually just Sushi so you do a podcast where it's just cer- club ranking names. You're just like come up with the best names I because there are some guy I mean pig monkeys pretty good name painting monkeys pretty although yeah I don't know pink is a weird one for you know like that and it's to the voice towel. Let that ramp that. I'm always taller girls. I think over time that they don't like the moist word you know. It's like a big thing. Everyone pretends like offended by that way. GotTa find it but like Oh. I'd like it gives me like the I don't know I mean but what about the drip tease Virginians just jewel inside of it. Oh can you spell it. Tez Means E. D. R. I. P. T. E. AS Z zero. I like that at the end analyses a t-shirt yes is he's yes okay so so cruising shabbes in that hotel we used to go like once a semester me and my buddies like two in the morning if there was anyone who's sober. We're just like fuck it. Let's go. Let's just play blackjack until seven in the morning then come back and that was always a good time. I love being in a casino in the mid West because there's just something about it. There's just a feel to it. It's a throwback you just see like even going to the you know Oh the Casino in Indiana like you just use the horseshoe you walk in and you'll just see people playing twenty five dollars blackjack hands with like a Devin Hester Jersey Yeah. That's about like Dude W is this. Are you going to be able to pay the mortgage. When he's you know when you see that are w mcquarters yeah right Horseshoe Hammond right just like you feel like you're in a different planet yeah? There's something about the the throwback back. NFL Jerseys which are not hipster because they're like real that person's own that Jersey had a casino that just has it's just a field that you just can't get anywhere else and I love it. That's what they're wearing for Sunday's game right. There's no dress on Saturday night. Yes if you if you did like a video like I'm GonNa Throw in like Stupid Jersey just like that's what you would right right right so that's the difference yeah but yeah so you mentioned that it's funny you mentioned that said I've got a whole chunk still like occasionally like me and me and my buddies will take like random overnight trips. Please yeah we'll go to Michigan. City will go to new buffalo for that for those ones blue chip and I forget what the other one is called and we've hope chunk off you times uh-huh and funny enough you say like the Midwest you're going to be able to pay around and we were there. We went into the poker room. Depend a little poker and one guy was telling a story about how a Polka regular one on like twenty one hundred dollars blackjack the night before and quit his job. That's I mean that's why that's why these casinos are the best you get those stories and and just like something about the Wisconsin dells it's just it's a beautiful beautiful place and I mean that metaphorically because literally it is very ugly our people in our again. I'm not trying to shame but you know you you if I went to Wisconsin dells right now. I'm like George Clooney. Yes and I'm not a good looking guy but you are right but the thing is is i. Where would you compare it to and this is what I kept trying? It's less classier than like Myrtle beach. Try because remember when we all know about the Wisconsin dells. It's indoor water parks are its main attraction disgusting. An Indoor waterpark is just think about and there's multiple like no one like there's there's wilderness wash kylo Carlos Zambrano on red line and I was like a Carlos like I know you're famous going to Kalahari because my buddy salt and there was a cool yeah I liked the slides were just like pissing glory in a indoor space but yeah I would yeah. I guess it would be like like trashier but it's a different kind of I don't want. I don't want to throw around the T. where because again people are going to think that I'm bashing Wisconsin. I truly do love the place I think you call it trashy and I think you'd call it scummy when he's still go there and like it right right right so like I'm not looking gallon because I would if you told me right now like hey. Let's go up there and I can go to if I had nothing like yeah. Let's do it when you move back. We're go there for video. That's just where the offices imagine imagine real estate spree outside of Wisconsin dells we could probably like connect their offices. The tunnel straight the warehouse up there. We probably could put yes so the it's it's like a different type of trashy like than a Daytona Beach Daytona beach you think motorcycles and tattoos and the people who have those people have leather skin because they've been out in the thirty years. It's the opposite of the Wisconsin dells porcelain skin because they we've lived through the Wisconsin winter. It's maybe forty to fifty extra pounds and you know just good fun. Living 'cause Betas made member like you've all seen like those thing. Those videos are those pictures that may make fun of like Green Bay. Packers cheerleaders took those yeah. That's that's exactly what it is. It's it's a beautiful place that is you. You can't like you check your ego at the door when you go to the Wisconsin dells because no one it's a judge free judgment free zone out there to have fun. You understand the ridiculousness of like like in a way in the middle of Wisconsin that just on its own is just absurd and that's why I love the amenities are second or non. We'll get to the amenities and the second before we do that. We got to squeeze in our second talk about JP Grazziano yeah so we went there today like I said the hiccups up was couple balls ajar here a couple jars. I should say keep saying bottles. The bottles is like an catch up so we got a couple jars here. Higher Degrade Sandwich Biz dance dance ends on long low carb thing no carb thing. They hooked him up so you can do that. Also if you want to go to the airport. He want to squeeze something but you don't want your sandwich to get soggy. He's not just going to roll it up on a bag. Just tell them you're going somewhere. Told me WanNa make the sandwich later Jim. We'll do that for us that Kinda guy go in there and say your dog Walk Online and get ten percent off on on pickup or delivery say at essentially at the door and you will get an extra punch on your sub card to get that free sub sooner J. Grazziano DOT COM. JP Ninety one in West Randolph the amenities. Are you a waterside guy though because this is like I don't WanNa know people who aren't waterside you like two sides. Oh 'cause I like a claustrophobic like stuck at any moment. Die Like I just picture like like a boulder closing and I'm just gonNA get canned Soup Chef Boyer Deacon on the yeah. I think that that's the fun of it like as a as a kid. It's fun because it's like a thrill and you're going fast as an adult. You're like I shouldn't be doing this. Wow Oh embarrassing. Would it be if I got stuck or something bad happened yeah and like the tube slide especially now like they got weight limits like I had a couple of buddies that went on like the one torpedo on and they like fell straight straight down like they thought they were GonNa right right so those I mean those are thrilling in. I don't know the safety regulations. I'm sure they're top notch the Wisconsin dells but it feels like it could not be yeah probably not sound like you're going to. I don't know like Disneyworld Yeah. There's billion dollars corporation right exactly exactly exactly and like any kind of bad I think Wisconsin dells is probably impervious to bad publicity died on a tube. Do you think he would stop going to Wisconsin dells. They don't worry about having having a low death or injury total. They worry about like you know just having no debt they worry about being alone Disneyworld we nothing this year. They're like just like three. I really like that have been Paul Bunyan's restaurant. It's a gallagher breakfast buffet. I don't think it's like a whole family saying no no because there are some there are definitely Wisconsin dells trips. I've taken that have been very very that you just kind of kept going on throughout the morning. go-carts are huge their haunted houses are big there and then. There's like bunch like Weird Little Tommy Barlett. Do we know who Tommy Barlett is because that's like plastered all over the Place Yeah Robot World The surfing. I don't know what exactly WHO's Tommy bought. They're just like this is the easiest place in the world to advertise so it's just like a fun zone yeah right. You can just get it up there. I'm also I'm actually going up there so we're going off sixteen inch softball tournament you are when is this week is to Saturday. Fuck Ya and let me tell you it's the most Wisconsin Dolls Sixteen inch softball tournament the world so there are eight teams and instead of like making like eighteen nation bracket sixteen inch the I sixteen and they made it like a two groupings four teams in each group like you play like a round robin and then there's like a championship. It's like why I don't know it's just weird like yeah yeah. I if I showed you the bracket like there's like you know it's space like shit like L. They're just teams everywhere. It's just poorly on Microsoft word bracket yeah. That's when you're in tournament lake whether it be softball whatever kind of tournament you're in. I like it where I can never fully grasp how the tournament work yeah you're. You're just like just show up and play and win a game and you're like so a reality Rian like you just don't really know are the two diamonds you kind of forget about it. Is there one diamonds or to write for sure right now. I got Ya so yeah. We'll see how that goes. I mean it's going to be it was almost like yeah. Of course I'll do it. That's like that's like a Helen that I'm gonNA come back with. I'm jealous for the show is on next week can be like well yeah. We still need to know in this. We'll probably get us some tweets but we're going to say we still need to create a sixteen inch Barstool Chicago softball off all tournament we do we do we gotta do that because people were hitting me already tournament yeah we get it would get all all the stories out and it will be so much yeah. That'll be like our yearly like a fundraiser kind of thing that'll be great. Yes so charity and that's the rule work on that someone who could help us yeah. That'd be huge because we want to do something. Thanks for the story. Some whoever you give us give us Grand Park for a Saturday yeah that'd be great towels and the cancel his last minute and then we'll just take over and done. Is it done would. I don't know probably not also got so much shit on. Maybe we want to grant park. We'll do something else. That's smaller scale. We'll build up to GRANDPA right. We'll build up yes so we'll get into the sixteen inch game hopefully soon. What position do you play me a pitcher catcher that that's pretty much exactly so yeah limited to that so we'll see I'm just I'm pitching ongoing and so I don't really I don't play? I play life. Is there for the ambiance exactly like called. How exactly you know I'm a big like you know after the after the tournament connick guy like exactly yeah. That's me pack the Cooler Yeah. I actually make like a drink they had so. It's like I'm bringing up jug. Our team name is called Jug actually and like guys jug like something like recipe. My Dad showed me when I was sixteen. Talk Vodka ice tea like a bunch of stuff gets you super fucked up so we're we're bringing the dog down and it's going to ration it out so that you can keep winning games or you not care well our first games at Saturday one pm so that's nice Friday. We'll be able to go. We'll be and I don't know I think people price stick to beers during the tournament. It's it's always a very funny balance playing sixteen inch softball because you like you can sniff out the other team and if you're GONNA win. I feel like no one drinks because they're like luscious win. Put it feels like you're overmatched. Everyone just starts drinking like we were drunk. You think it's an ego you're like all right. You know we could have beaten them yeah and they all go rico style. We could have done it if we didn't just keep slamming bill lights but you know they're going to keep going like the no stopping no one stop it. Yes but yeah so we'll see how it goes well. I'll come back with everything wants a prediction on that Madison Wisconsin Michigan Okay. Let's do Michigan Wisconsin. Let's do bears Redskins says well I think about is you're GONNA win. I really do they're gonNA win. I'll say twenty four to twenty twenty winning cover like Don Winn cover. I'm going to go Michigan. I'm sorry I don't know I feel like he's not great but they've had they've had a week to figure it out since at army debacle so I feel like you know so it was Wisconsin. I know why we could see either way. I like Wisconsin home. Let doesn't say much camp Randall. Don't WanNa sway your pick betting on Michigan. I'M NOT GONNA I'm not GonNa do anything of the weekend is Texas. Though you see Oklahoma state against Tulsa Dude t boone pickens game they covered they cover covered. Did you see how they know how they come t boone pickens that was like Walter Payton kick. I had them reaching down from heaven. I mean that was that was that was a guy games matter I know. I don't think this is a dead guy game now because it's I wish it was at home game yeah. I don't know I just think Oklahoma my gun. He's one of those coaches that if he's if people don't expect a lot from Oklahoma State Hill Lou rawls almost top ten to start the season and and then whereas Texas is that team where you expect out of them. They shocked right Tom Hermanez an underdog is the best bet in in the country appears redskins bears twenty four to seven this is a this is a weird game because it's like the bears not only have to win but they have to win convincingly only now because if they win close I'll feel worse in a weird like we like well. Why am I down on the bears they won but if if they do a repeat of the Denver Game I'll somehow feel worse go weird way because they'll be two and one and I'll feel like why am I down on the bears down on him because I have an eyeballs to eyeballs in the brain so they need to win? Convincingly waiting three touchdowns Mitch needs to step up. Yes we need the C. Buff Mitch I buffalo last year midst verse. Who is the other game Tampa Bay touchdown we need we need that and overreact to it and then get our hearts broken in Minnesota comes to town yeah? I don't know easy schedule Eddie not easier. I'm happy though Minnesota then the the raiders and then we got the saints the chargers at home yes so I've looked at it. I think that going into November we will be five and two. I think so too where we going into that by four foreign one is crucial right because you win you win against Washington so it's too and one and then you have games that I think they can go three and one end and you saved Minnesota Saints chargers one of those games they'll lose beating the raiders being the raiders but faulk man. I'm not really high on this season season I was I was skeptical into the season and I wasn't yeah. I was very nervous because the bears are never supposed to have good things because I know what it is. It's destiny mandate is destiny so we gotta kicker though I think yeah I hope Yeah Mile High. I hope you the A lot we have a kicker. Let's just say that defense. We have a defense defense. I love Roquan Smith. I love him so much yeah he's he's amazing. He's amazing everywhere and he gets to like he gets the ball faster than humans so fast the World Jackson like if I'm shocked when there's a completion and not one of those guys are in on the Tax Jackson sticks man. That's awesome see he's everywhere to it will all right. Thank you for coming on underwrite big week this week for the show. We came with Dave with you. Let's go so

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What's up, Wisconsin?

Meet the Press: The Lid

03:55 min | 4 months ago

What's up, Wisconsin?

"Welcome to the lead from meet the press. I'm Kerry Dan okay. I'm GONNA walk you through the Super High. Tech cutting edge tracking systems used by the NBC News Political Unit. Back in the middle of March when many states started to announce they would postpone their presidential primary contest because of Corona virus. I wiped out my trusty primary calendar and I just started kind of cross now. The ones that had been modified or pushback very sophisticated stuff ballpoint pen and everything and something really sticks out when you look at this list from beginning to end it starts with March twenty four. Th One Georgia's primary was supposed to be. This is how the lowest rates and March Twenty Fourth Georgia Postponed March Twenty Ninth Puerto Rico postponed April Fourth Alaska now all a male election Hawaii now all male Louisiana postponed Wyoming all male April seventh Wisconsin primary. Yep April Twenty Eighth Connecticut Delaware Maryland New York Pennsylvania and Rhode Island all postponed. What's up with that Wisconsin? They're just they're just GONNA do it. They're forging ahead with their primary next week despite everyone before and immediately after them saying. Nope they're postponing it. And while officials are urging everyone who can to vote by mail yes there will still be in person voting sites in Wisconsin at a time when the rest of the state and most of the country are effectively shutdown to slow the spread of the virus. Why do they want a primary well? The governor who is a Democrat says the election date is just state law and he can't unilaterally change it without state. Legislators many of whom also have fought to keep the date in place. It's also not just a presidential primary. There are also elections on Tuesday for State Supreme Court. Which term could have a lot of bearing on voting rights legislation in the seat in there are elections for local officials many of the terms for those locally held positions expire this spring? And so there's some worried that without those positions will be vacant at a time when the community is in crisis and needs leadership so earlier this week a federal judge said. He didn't believe he alone. Had the legal authority to postpone the date but the same judge also ripped into Wisconsin leaders for failing to act saying they have failed to understand the gravity of the Public Health Crisis. There is still ongoing litigation. That could change things between now and then but at least at the time of this recording live from the pillow fort. Wisconsin is going ahead with an election even though they're going to have to deploy National Guard troops to make sure there are actually enough people to man the pulse. The whole thing is a mess. Oh by the way. Wisconsin is also the host of the Democratic National Convention which we found out today is being pushed back due to corona virus concerns moving from July to August so at least something in Wisconsin is getting postponed. That's a live for us. If you'd like to hear more of this riady roofing you can always download us on your favorite podcast APP. Hey It's Chris. As this week my podcast wise is happening. I'LL BE TALKING WITH JOHN. Berry author of the book the Great Influenza about the last global pandemic we analyze what city is dead in nineteen eighteen and found that those cities which intervened early at a much better experience at the very least in terms of flattening the curb. If the intervene too late viruses already widely disseminated in your community and no intervention is GonNa have any effect if the enemy is already inside the home. It doesn't do any good to lock the door that's this week on. Why is this happening? Search for wise's happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe.

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OA376: Texas, Wisconsin & Washington (feat. Andrew Seidel)

Opening Arguments

1:31:42 hr | 4 months ago

OA376: Texas, Wisconsin & Washington (feat. Andrew Seidel)

"It's not even a lawyer and he's kicking your ass bad lawyer. I need a loophole students. Accuser face sorry but my mother always said if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all. Hold up in court no. I've tried it before. Stop Ask a question. A lawyer would ask please. I am award. Welcome to opening arguments. The podcast that pairs inquisitive interviewer with the real life lawyer. This podcast is sponsored by the law offices of the Andrew Torres. Llc for entertainment purposes is not intended as legal advice does not form an attorney client relationship. Don't take legal advice from a podcast. Elo opening arguments. This is episode. Three hundred seventy six. I'm China Smith. That's Andrew Torres. You've just heard a great new intro. That certainly amazing Give your reaction right now. Andrew especially like the fact that it included my favorite quote from Roger Stone in the new intra another reminder yet another reminder that I needed well I you're welcome just for you. I was on a list for this whole time and I definitely didn't forget every single time a couple of announcements patrons will notice that Speaking of intros agents an SI. Oh crossover that also is Speaking so anyway. Here's the here's the story without the Screw up we did a little cross. We got so much to talk about on opening arguments I series. I cannot wait. These next episodes are just jam packed with great stuff and there was also the cardinal pell appeal in In Australia and that had been you know it's legal topic. It's still something we might have talked about the show but we decided since I had talked about Pel About a year ago I checked. It was about the march of last year. It would be a good idea to do the follow up and have crossover so there. If you like Andrew and I and let's face it you you must love at least one of or something listening right now who it is and so if you want more uh us. We did a great episode with an Australian lawyer. on Cardinal Pal and I released it as SL OH episode but I also put it in the Bonus feed for opening arguments. So those are the either of those places you'll find that episode. It was a ton of fun Turns out there's There's some differences between the legal system in Australia and here and they might not be all great for Australia. You know I had you had James Rogers on Australian lawyer Love that opportunity to avail ourselves of expertise because I you know Australian law. I like after talking to him. Australia is kind of like the UNCANNY. Valley is likely offsite I made almost none of those jokes. I had seventy thousand of them. But it's like Oh make like one or two. They're not that I could just tell you know having knowing you fairly well I like. I knew that that was just like the safety valve. Make that joke you were going to explode and just going to be like shaven haircut right well that that how to do the two bits to bet Ton of fun definitely check out that episode. I mean not a great topic. I'll be honest. It's kind of a bummer topic. But it's about is fun and episode. You could possibly have on a bummer topic. So check that out. Everybody and I also messed up the intro. Because I had recorded in the opening arguments like template I pulled. O'brien basically sorry Brian. Brian did this to me just the other day and I totally understood because You know Saudis. I was in the wrong template and I pulled in the wrong intro and there you go so That's all that any other announcements before we get to our jam packed episode. Yeah Tuesday this is GonNa be today but I'm I'm GONNA do an omnibus. Andrew was wrong and right about a whole bunch of things and and I want folks to know because a lot of people have have brought it to our attention yes. Donald Trump has taken by former debate opponent. Justin Walker a man who has been on the federal bench in the Eastern District of Kentucky for a week in half and has nominated him to the. Us Court of Appeals for the DC circuit Which is That's the court Merrick. Garland was is the is the chief judge right I am. This is going to get some stooge who doesn't know anything but is twenty years old and thirty seven thirty seven years old so We'll be talking about Justin Walker and all sorts of other stuff next week And we've got We got back to back interviews. We're going to have ag on from a mother. She wrote and daily beans. And I it I. It's a Tuesday. You WanNA listen to. I promise I just had an idea you know. We often come up with movies and shows that are way better than the crap that were reviewing for a lot of movies. I I got one here. Unlikely Buddy movie and this this this could be you know in an era of thirty year old. Nothing's appointed because they're conservative hacks we get like the old wizened kinda knowledgeable but liberal at heart you know bleeding heart kind of justice who has to like taken under his wing or her wing whichever the The the new young conservative and then they learn from each other and like the the appointee that they all thought like. Oh yes this is the conservative pointing you. That's going to be conservative for fifty years. Maybe a little bit change of heart. You know I I love it. I love it. There's going to be a lot of comedy like. Can you fax me over that brief facts? It'd be a lot of that we could. We could also lift liberally from the first lethal weapon movies. One boy there will be a shootout for some reason. Now all right get all right. Let's get time but I couldn't resist so here I thought you were doing. Andrew was wrong next week. But we're doing a quick one right now still Yeah we are doing. Andrew was wrong because I very confidently predicted. That even the politically charged activist fifth circuit would not uphold would not issue. Ma'am Damus overturning. The Texas District Court's injunction blocking the executive order from going into effect the shutdown abortion clinics. And I was wrong on that but but I have now been through the opinion and I have really good news. At at the end of the opinion it's a terrible opinion. There's not a lot of light at the end of the tunnel but but there is a federal judge. The fifth circuit explicitly telling abortion clinics. How they can stay open? You know one thing about Andrew's optimism that we all love is that like. I thought light at the end of the tunnel means. You're dying but I think for Andrew. It's like no you're just in a tunnel and then there's light and that's great. Yeah your phone signals back like it. Just you're out of the damn tunnel. It's fantastic. You can put your sunglasses back on. It's it's the best part of driving. I always assumed dying. But that's okay. No no it's fine. It's optimus prime negative all right. So let's talk about that decision shall we? Yes Ms Veto. Please answer the question. Does the defense his case hold water? No Andrea is wrong. Are you sure I'm positive? Okay this is in Ray Greg Abbott. The Governor of Texas. I will upload the decision. Let's be totally upfront about the big major thing. I was wrong about Apparently the fifth circuit is either Too stupid or does not care to see the blatant contradiction. the The Abbot brief that was filed before the court so they quote extensively front. We talked about this in the last episode The GOES ON FOR MULTIPLE PAGES. About how terrible the cove in nineteen crisis is and then page nineteen. I'm going to read directly from the opinion in distinguishing the a Jackson to decision which it's not important to go down that rabbit trail. This is just part of the overwhelming body of law that makes it clear that Texas does not have the authority to indefinitely postpone to abortion in its states to distinguish that The Fifth Circuit says you know unlike that law those laws were permanent whereas Gao nine that is the executive order that has been promulgated by the State of Texas for Greg. Abbott expires in just a few weeks. support with a citation to footnote twenty two which says respondents imply that. Gao Nine is effectively indefinite in duration. They did not imply that they stated that because it is. An executive order can be extended indefinitely by order of the executive. This is just fact and they say for example. They claim that for many women. Denial of access to abortion will be permanent given the uncertain duration of the emergency but the District Court did not temporarily restrain some indefinite regulation. It restrained Gao nine. Which by all accounts expires on April? Twenty First Twenty Twenty Which is twelve days from today? It is impossible that Gao nine will terminate on April Twenty first twenty twenty and we all know it and the fifth circuit knows right. This is not this. Is Ted Cruz pretending to be stupid? This is Rhonda Santa's pretending to be stupid. The fifth circuit knows that it's lying in this footnote. It's gas lighting. Yes absolute. Now let me explain the so. So let's explain all the terrible things. How did I get this wrong I think I did not consider the knock on consequence of having an overtly activist right wing Republican Supreme Court And we're going to talk about that in connection with the Wisconsin decision in our interview with Andrew Seidel in the main segment. It seems clear to me now. That one of the consequences of having howler monkeys running the Supreme Court is that howler monkeys on lower courts are now feeling free to To emulate the worst of that behavior to to write legal decisions that are indefensible. Nonsense and basically dare litigants like. Hey you don't like that. Well you know. Good luck with the Supreme Court Buddy. Yeah And and they know they can get away with it That that is. I realized that as an astonishing accusation Read this decision and tell me if you disagree now so given that And this was a three judge panel of the Fifth Circuit. The dissenting judge. Very obviously recognized. That the fix was in. And here's how that judge decided that they were going to explicitly counsel abortion clinics to defy the executive order. And this is really really clever. So let me explain a little bit with the background. Right as part of its efforts to gaslight us the panel decision makes great pains to say look like all we're doing is upholding the validity of an executive order. Now the fact that. Let's let's look at the history. Gao Nine is the executive order. So here's what happened. Greg Abbott promulgated. Gao Nine which closed non essential medical facilities and then immediately. Ken Paxton who is a doofus right? came out and says okay That order should properly be interpreted as closing all abortion clinics in the state of Texas. Now Ken Paxton is the attorney. General of the State of Texas and usually listening to what the Attorney General has to say about what the law means and by the way an executive order promulgated by the Governor Valid Executive Order during state of emergency promulgated by the Governor has the force of law and this carries with it criminal penalties if violated those criminal penalties are eighteen hundred a fine of up to one thousand nine hundred dollars. Sorry a fine not to exceed two thousand dollars and confinement in jail for a term not to exceed one hundred and eighty days or both and usually right you listen to a press conference if the Attorney General says the Law Means X. You would think the top law the top lawyer in the student knows what the Hell means but the fifth circuit has to pretend that he didn't say the quiet part out loud right so they lie about what the executive order says. And here's what they say. In the panel opinion they say importantly the order shall not apply to any procedure that if performed in accordance with the commonly accepted standard of clinical practice would not deplete the hospital capacity or the personal protective equipment needed to cope with the cove. Nineteen disaster there to comply with the order may result in administrative or criminal penalties including a fine not to exceed two thousand dollars confinement in jail for term not to exceed one hundred eighty days or both that's on page five and again begins with the word importantly right so let me explain what be stupid. Panel thinks they're doing right. They look like we're not saying we're you know we're not upholding the constitutional validity of how the Attorney General Interprets. That all we're doing is upholding. The law and the law has exceptions to it and they think that that's being clever. Here's the Jujitsu. Move THAT JUDGE DENNIS. Writing in dissent pulls off which. It's really really brilliant. This is from pages thirty. Six to thirty seven of the opinion goes through the history and says I include this explanation of of the difference between the executive order and Texas attorney. General Can Paxton's press release not to reiterate the procedural history. The majority has already explained but to emphasize exactly what we are reviewing respondents brought a constitutional challenge to Gao nine executive order and though the attorney general's interpretation of that order constitutes the crux of the constitutional issues present. In this CASE IT IS J. O. Nine and only Gao nine that we are interpreting the majority agrees that the Attorney General's news release interpreting. Gao Nine is not legally binding and then citation back to the majority opinion. Totally drew the attorney. General cannot modify. The text of the governor's executive order through his news release. Only the governor has the power to issue executive orders that have the force ineffective law and Gao nine grants abortion providers the power to determine whether a procedure is quote immediately medically necessary to correct a serious medical condition of a patient who without immediate performance of the surgery or procedure would be at risk for serious adverse medical consequences and of quote. Like having a baby I it serious adverse medical consequences and tell you even having a baby is but but but seriously like the if the risk of miscarriage is higher. Right going forward. That is a serious medical adverse medical consequence right like the important part is grants abortion providers the power to determine whether they're procedure mic meets that criteria. It goes getting out his. I hope they the provider would just be like. Yeah any abortion is that I think right. Let's not make the same mistake that that The the the fifth circuit and say the quiet part out loud right that is very clearly the intent of this it goes on if also permits an exception for any abortion that quote if performed in accordance with the commonly accepted standard of clinical practice would not deplete the hospital capacity or the personal protective equipment needed to cope with the cove in nineteen disaster. So I leave that to abortion providers in Texas if you are a listener in Texas. We have a ton of them And you are in touch or you work for an abortion provider. Please right into the show open arguments at g mail DOT COM. Let me know what they're doing on the ground But you know the the the motto of our show is. Don't take legal advice from a podcast. But you can absolutely take legal advice from the fifth circuit and this is the fifth circuit saying. Hey the way. In which the Madrid is a judge of the fifth circuit in dissent saying the way in which the majority has crafted this opinion by explicitly. It to the text of the executive order gives you as a medical services provider the right to argue that you fit within those exceptions notwithstanding the fact that the attorney general has said that you don't and that's really really critical. Now look I understand. It's super easy for me to say if I ran an abortion clinic in Texas. I would stay open. I would serve my parents patients and I would be willing to to to to potentially be arrested for that I can't tell you to do that. and that's a decision that everybody you know. We'll have to make on their own as a as a matter of civil disobedience as a matter of public participation. I'm pretty sure they're used to. Yeah adverse I that's right if you're an abortion provider in Texas absolutely and I will tell you that this language is in this opinion for that reason and I when you have a sitting judge pointing out that the majority explicitly agrees that they are not reviewing or passing propriety on Ken. Paxton's press conference only on the text of the order itself and the text of the order. Itself does not say that abortion clinics must close again. I thought this was going to go the other way. I expected it to go the other way. I'm saying that. I think that there is a a deliberate reason for this language. Being contained in the descent be much better. Obviously it'd be much better the other way around Should have come out the other way around. But but but that is this is this is something we are going to see going forward as our courts become instruments of right wing political activism We are going to see folks speak out and And this is judge Dennis speaking out. Is that your sign up this judge Dennis. A picnic opening arguments is brought to you by hymns buckle up kids. I'm going to talk to you about erectile dysfunction. Looks like it's Common Issue. The many men face and they don't WanNa talk about it. Looks like forty percent for new statistics of men by age forty struggle from not being able to maintain erection so Hymns has always been a good idea was a good idea before krona virus. It's an even better idea now. Because hymns is your one stop shop for hair loss skin care and sexual wellness for men and they connect you with real licensed doctors and FDA approved pharmaceutical products to treat erectile dysfunction and other conditions. And these are those conversations that you know. 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The prescription is appropriate. See website for full details and safety information. This could cost hundreds if you went in person to the doctor's office or pharmacy remember. That's four hymns dot com slash opening. And we are joined Andrew. Seidel I think I got that right. I know I always pronounce it wrong but I will fight to to the death about Amicus brief held. Thanks guys Andrew. It's going all right. I I'd like to say as Android does that. I'm doing fantastic. But honestly I am just pretty pissed off right now still. Yeah Yeah so why are you? Let me t up the softest of sauce softballs that we will throw you in this interview. why so pissed off Andrew. What could possibly be upset? Let me take a crack at it. See if I have this right. Some justices who are in full has met suits working from home calling into each other said. I don't see why there's any reason people can't go to the polling places in vote right now so go do it right something like that. I mean that's almost exactly right. Yeah I basically. I had to risk my life. And my family's lives to go and exercise my constitutional right to vote and as you said the two courts that were deciding that issue. They were sitting at home under their own. Social distancing orders. I mean I was willing to do it because so many other people who've risked their lives and died frankly for that right in the past. But that's not where we are now as a country you would hope and I'm just I'm F- absolutely furious. I had yeah joking aside. That is infuriating. Because this isn't like some you know. This is a real tangible danger to people in their families. And any you know anyone could be anybody that could have spread the disease or gotten the disease and maybe we'll die from it like the numbers. Show that the. Do you think it's safe to say that? This decision killed people without a doubt. There is no doubt in my mind that the GOP members of the Wisconsin legislature and members gop members of the Wisconsin Supreme Court and the GOP members of the US Supreme Court killed Americans specifically Wisconsin. I know a good time for your Give a disclaimer. But but also I mean let's let us make it one hundred percent clear to the audience. I Andrew we have you on because we love you and value your legal opinion. You are a Wisconsin resident. Who had applied? I think three weeks ago for an absentee ballot. That was just never mailed to you never arrived and so you know. This is the sort of the rare confluence of not only do we get to pine about this But you know you were literally boots and mask on the ground at at ground. Zero of this decision in Wisconsin boots and mask and gloves and hand sanitizer. I mean there were people. Poll workers in full on has met suits. I mean people go look at the pictures that were coming out of Wisconsin on Tuesday. It's insane but yes everybody should know that I am. Andrew Seidel the private citizen right now. I'm not calling in or appearing on this show in any capacity with any organization that I may work for. I'm sitting at home on my home computer using my own time to do this and I'm doing it because I am just again. I am just absolutely pissed off. And yes Andrew. I did like many thousands of other Wisconsin residents. I requested absentee ballot which we were encouraged to do So that we didn't have to go vote in person and it did not arrive requested it before the deadline and it didn't arrive in time for me to vote. It did arrive. It actually arrived yesterday so nice. That's useful super useful. And you know my wife's did arrive on time. She was able to vote but there they're just doing that whole process and I'm sure we'll get into this. There were so many disenfranchising aspects to that whole process. You had to take a picture of your. Id AND SEND IT IN TO REQUEST. An absentee ballot. Which is fine for me because I've got a smartphone and I've got home Internet but only I think it's only half of people over sixty five smartphones And where are they going to do that to the public library those are all closed to the UPS store? I mean it's not. It's not something that is just very easy to do. And then you have to witness when you sign you have when you sign an absentee ballot. You have to have somebody else witness it. And how do you do that? If you're living alone right now self quarantining loan. How do you do that if you have covert and you're in the hospital there? There's a story. I was reading about a guy who I also on any normal election. I May poll-watcher make sure that people are able to exercise their rights to vote this one of the things. I volunteer my my legal skills for. I did not do that this time but you know in in the circles of poachers. There was a story about a guy who was trying to vote. He was in the hospital under quarantine because he has co vid and nobody sign whose ballot so that he can vote to witness it. Because he's hoping sure. Yeah I it it. All this is because of the millions and hundreds of millions of fake ballots that have been cast over the years right. Yes election after election. You know single documented case of absentee except wardrobe except except for the North Carolina example which the Republicans were cheating. So I think what also might be. Helpful in in background is a little bit on the importance of this election in Wisconsin. Because I know I've had listeners who've said well you know isn't this a primary I mean you know. Yeah you're talking about suppressing a lot of votes and let's draw that I mean I think. The implication was it was pretty clear in terms of people over sixty five and people who are below the poverty. Line probably don't have you know iphones. Bhai which they can take the picture and send in their. Id people who are You know at at risk. Highest risk of illness or you know have contracted on rightly okay. So you know so. Let's do our best steel man all right. You're suppressing turn out. You know you're suppressing turnout for primary. Who cares sure and great point and if it were just that I wouldn't have gone voted yesterday in all probability. But that's not what this was about. There is a very important. Wisconsin Supreme Court race happening right now and every citizen was voting for that. Yesterday there were three other seats on. The Court of Appeals that. We're up for grabs. I think there is a hundred or more than one hundred other judgeships out there. I mean I voted for three different members of school boards and just I mean probably statewide and I actually believe Ginsburg included the numbers probably thousands of other seats up for grabs so this this was not about the primary. I think for really anybody in the state that the big race that most people were watching and that historically has been really important is the Wisconsin Supreme Court. I mean our last Supreme Court seat was decided by five thousand nine hundred thirty votes in an election with one point two million votes and asked. I mean the in two thousand eleven. We were saddled with Prosser Justice prosser. Who's another conservative? He was the former Republican speaker of the Wisconsin Assembly. He won by a margin of less than seven thousand votes. Or excuse me sorry. He was losing by the way. Hang on let me back this. Somebody's going to have to look this up to double check me and I know your listeners will do it anyway. He so he was losing the race. I think he was losing about two hundred votes. And then all of a sudden the next day this precinct in Waukesha. I believe found like fourteen thousand missing ballots and then they said nope almost the majority of those are for prosser. Prosser won by. I think around the around seven thousand votes at that point and that was one point five million votes cast in the election and then of course you have the Wisconsin Supreme Court deciding on its own election. Yeah from the safety of their homes. That people have to go out and vote on this so and then. I mean the numbers Clinton to in two Thousand Sixteen Clinton lost by twenty two thousand seven hundred forty eight votes. I mean elections in Wisconsin have been very very close very close over the past decade. Yeah so every. Vote is absolutely critical. It do do. We have any kind of D- estimated time of when we expect the votes for the Wisconsin Supreme Court will be counted. 'cause I I know I didn't see a result as of this morning. I don't know if that's come out this afternoon in in the span of communicating but Well so and this. I'm not positive on this. But it judged Conley who is the Federal District Court judge who ruled on this lawsuit when it first kicked off a couple of weeks ago He actually imposed a a media. Blackout for a set period. And I WANNA say It was until I wanna say it was until next Monday but I'm not positive about that. I don't remember when it was at. I think that blackout is still in place so I I think you're GONNA WE'RE GONNA have to wait to. I don't think that particular part of his order was challenged. Certainly wasn't challenged all the way up to the Supreme Court and the seventh circuit agreed with Conley's orders. Surprisingly I mean the the the liberal bastion of the seventy. We're kind of way ahead. I feel like I might have lost people with in my in my anger. And My frothing and spittle. I feel like I probably have lost some of your listeners. What's exactly happening here yeah. So here's here's here's how I see it. Let's because I think it's important to have two lawyers breakdown zero citations that are in. And there's an asterisk on that. I'm going to explain the ask in a second That are in the per curium opinion issued by the Supreme Court of the United States on Monday night April sixth twenty twenty upholding the Wisconsin Supreme Court and requiring Wisconsin nights to go to the polls the next day per per curium. Meaning THAT ITS UNSIGNED. Kinda like in the same way Bush Bush. She was unsigned. There's a sign Howard's towers. Let's just yeah yeah there. Well we don't know who wrote that. Which is which is actually going to be important. Because I I want to ask you Who you think wrote the opinion Because it is perhaps the most poorly written supreme court opinion. I've I've read With a date of you know post nine thousand nine hundred. Thomas ride read like Thomas Thomas Elites Lido Smart Guy. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA quote from it but but but yeah but there is A. There's dissent signed by Ginsburg. Breyer Sotomayor Kagan. So it's not hard to figure out who is in the The per curium unsigned majority I I said that this three and a half page opinion has zero citations in it That's a deliberate lie There is a sea signal To a couple of cases supporting the statement. The court has repeatedly emphasized that lower federal courts. Ordinarily should not alter the election rules on the eve of an election which I wholeheartedly agree with seems kind of like an own goal. Here that can go. That is and again we're GONNA links and the show notes I. It's a disturbing trend that that you know goes back to when we had you on discussing. Trinity Lutheran that Win this brave new Originalist balls and strikes Howler Monkey Supreme Court decides to create new rules They do so absent. That sentence and the three cases that are cited which again are true but not relevant there. There are no citations for any proposition of law. At any point in the majority opinion which leaves me flabbergasted. I mean it. It really is shocking. Not only is it. I was GONNA say illegal. But that's incorrect. It's not. It's it's not legally well-reasoned it's also just remarkably callous. I mean it just shows I had never been one to attack people for being in an ivory tower to decide this case from the safety of their homes and then send everybody out to the polls in Wisconsin to risk their lives. I mean to me that is it is just beyond callous. It shows just a complete level of being just so disconnected from the humanity that is at the basis of most of the law that it it really boggles the mind. I in addition to all of that I want to read the way in which this argument unfolds because it. It's why don't I don't think it was unless there has been a Supreme Court justice whose opinions have been carefully polished by their clerks over the past duration that they've been on the court. I mean this is this I was gonna say that like somebody used to have some good proof readers because they had to crank it out in day they couldn't but but but let's just listen to this and think about it not from a legal perspective. Think about it from the point of view of like every bad argument you've ever had on the Internet right like if Alex Roldan case badly like I would. I would not let him go to the tournament. Here's here's this. Direct quote beginning of bottom of page one onto page to importantly in their preliminary injunction motions. The plaintiffs did not ask the district. Court allow ballots mailed and postmarked after election. Day to be counted. This is a critical point in the case nonetheless. Five days before the election the district court unilaterally ordered that the absentee ballots postmarked afterwards. Still be counted as long as they're received by pro thirteenth extending the dates by which Ballots may be cast not just received for digital six days Fundamentally alters the nature of the election and again the plaintiffs themselves did not even ask for that relief in their preliminary injunction motions are point is not that this argument is necessarily forfeited but that the plaintiffs themselves did not see the act to ask for such relief. I it fact check. That's not true to forget but forget the right. Forget the fact that it's that it's not true. I never seen a supreme court opinion and again. That's a single paragraph. I omitted An internal Saito but like that's three sentences smashed up against each other that three times. Say It's really important that they didn't ask for this relief. I mean not legally important because that wouldn't be a forfeiture but it's important that they didn't ask for it. I I've never seen the supreme. I've never seen somebody who's reached the level of Supreme Court. Justice be unable to construct a basic argument. Right it really it is. It is incredibly bad and impartially. That is why I think it's Alito and I will be the first to admit I have a particular bias against him just at this moment. I I was rereading the Bladensburg Cross decision which I think credibly poorly reasoned law review article that popped out on that Earlier this month or last month and that so my head is with Alito and how poorly he reasons important decisions so that was really why I didn't. I didn't necessarily remind me of him. It was in the logic of it. I I'd your guess is because you know we we. We have said repeatedly right. I mean you know Gorsuch and Cavenaugh are smart people right. I mean it's part of what makes them so terrifying But but yeah so I. I liked that betting pool. We'll get we'll get contest killing among it doesn't sound like an Roberts would have had more Polish so I think that would be the best argument for. I thought I might be persuaded. Shout out to me for was as the total armature on the credit and then then in distinguishing the descent. We get this by the way. That descent is written like a normal court opinion. Right like that's it has citations it you know it. It reads like the way you would expect lawyers to write a court opinion we get the descent is quite wrong on several points which again. I don't know that I've seen that. In a supreme court opinion before I the descent entirely disregards the critical point that the plaintiffs themselves did not ask for this additional relief in their preliminary injunction motions. You know just in case we forgot that point from the last page. What does that mean? I don't understand Andrew you want to do you want to tackle. That didn't negative five minutes because we're out of time we're already. Oh that's great. I mean the thing that well the thing that I keep coming back to you and I can't get over this and I was just thinking as you were reading this again Andrews. Well when you said you haven't seen that in an opinion in that introductory phrase you know the dissenters wrong on several points. I wonder how much this is. Due to the fact that this is their first remote opinion that they issued. Oh good point. And that made me think this is the first remote opinion that they issued and it forced people to violate stay at home and go out and risk their lives and key. I cannot get past the callous hypocrisy of it. I keep coming back to that fact so so that was. That was what I was thinking about. While while you were finishing reading that so to be honest you're going to have to reread it again. If you took Thomas the the the question anchor has driven. Driven beat distraction. It's it's fair and and you should be. So what what? The Supreme Court is is what they what the majority in procuring opinion. What they say is that the District Court awarded relief that it was not authorized to do okay and the reason they can't do that is because the district court has plenary power to issue an injunction with respect to The circumstances surrounding the election right and and so they're trying to make the argument that the injunction that the District Court handed down was not word for word the injunction that the plaintiffs asked for as if right that should cast some sort of illegitimacy over you know to to kind of characterize it as an activist District Court judge or something like that right like. That's that's the implication that they're setting up They have to say as as the as they did in the middle. Our point is not that the argument is necessarily forfeited but that the plaintiffs themselves did not see the need to ask for such relief. Because anybody who litigating cases ever will tell you that it is not just routine not just commonplace not just the overwhelming majority of injunctive orders that are issued by courts are almost never word for word. What the plaintiff requests right like usually it's a subset. Its modified in a particular way. It you know it it. This is this is taking something that is utterly Banal and repeating it four times in less than a page As if you're impressed with yourself and and I just don't know who the audience is for that. Can I read my favorite part of them? Please do. It's actually from the facts. I mean people need to understand that this is what happened in Wisconsin Wisconsin. We we kind of thought we were okay on the corona virus for a while the Democratic Governor Tony Evers and the GOP controlled legislature. Kinda sort of agreed that we were going to be okay and that we should hold the election. But as things got scarier and worse Iverson our Democratic Governor asked the GOP legislatures. Can we do in all vote by mail? We really really ought to do that to keep everybody safe and the GOP legislation said No. Go Up yourself so either is called a special session of the legislature and ask them to then postponed the election like look. This is actually dangerous. People's lives so the legislature met in a special session for thirty four seconds by my count and refused to do anything to postpone the election so either is backed into a corner worried about the lives of all people. Living in Wisconsin issued an executive order and said okay. We're we're we're halting the election we're going to let the GOP controlled Wisconsin. Supreme Court struck down that order on along party lines. And this is how the Supreme Court rendered all of those facts quote. Wisconsin has decided to proceed with the election scheduled for April seven. Twenty Twenty and Co. Ed I guess I share your outrage on that you can tell by my fumbling around for words Which is not usually Something that that strikes me on the show. can get thirty seconds to the Wisconsin Supreme Court ruling that a state governor with plenary police powers did not have the authority to issue an executive order postponing an election during a pandemic and and declared a state of emergency. I mean it's another. It's another partisan power. Grab I mean I if everybody remembers I know you guys covered this on the show back when it happened. The with the Wisconsin legislature yanked as much power as cooed from the governor as soon as the Democratic governor one and it was clear that Scott Walker was getting kicked out of office I mean this is just another aspect of it except at this time is judicial and I'm one to be wary of massive government. Powers like that and the idea that trump could turn around and do something like this and I know you guys. We'll cover this. He can't delay the election things like that. But it is alarming but here there is a legitimate excuse for it at things got worse right in the lead up to this election and it needed it needed to be changed to keep people's lives safe and they were. They were unwilling to do that. Yeah I I. I don't know that I have anything to add to that. I mean this. Is You know that sort of theme theme for today show and and the theme I think going forward is that you know it is. It is time that Particularly we on the left are calling out And calling attention to these opinions that are plainly motivated by the political outcome And sort of emperor has new no clothes to the you know the the long standing nonsense of right wing judicial philosophy over the past three decades. I mean we we can be clear. This is about disenfranchising voters because more people that vote the less likely Republicans will win. So this will always about disenfranchising voters. I mean thousands of poll workers. This was one of the big problems in. Wisconsin dropped out because they didn't want to work the polls because they didn't want to get up pandemic I mean they didn't want to get a disease that could kill them. I am normally a poll watcher. I didn't even have sitter volunteer this time Milwaukee. The most populous city in in the state the number of polling places went from one eighty two down to five green bay. Thirty one down two to one report said that one hundred and eleven municipalities didn't have enough workers to staff a single polling location and that doesn't even account for the surge absentee ballots more than a million from the previous election. I mean I'm literally blocks from the headquarters and I told I told you guys already. I requested mine timely. And it wasn't mailed until the Friday before the election and didn't get it 'til yesterday and I'm blocks away and that's and that's because an awful lot of government workers are awfully busy right now but but but yeah I mean. Let's amplify that a little bit. The the by putting this process into place right assume that there was a concern about voter fraud. Well what you've just done is put a system in place that that maximizes the likelihood of fraud getting through right When when you have people voting in unfamiliar precincts with are understaffed and A man by people in has Matt's when you know you have You you know you're GONNA have people having to flyspeck the postmark on returned ballots. You're going to have certainly people who don't realize that who were in your situation right. Who voted in person on Tuesday? And then they're absentee ballot arrives on Wednesday and a percentage of them are GonNa mail those in so all of the things that happened are things that are going to make the election less reliable but all that being true there still will be no election fraud because it doesn't barely ever happens but I'm saying even if we assume it did I'm sorry did. Yeah well I just want to oversimplify what what what the District Court was trying to do. And this oversimplification. But I think it'll help people to understand they were trying to make it so basically if you were if you're standing in line on election day and the polls closed you get to vote because you were in line when the Bulls closed so they have to finish out whoever's standing in line and what the District Court was trying to judge colleen was trying to do is basically apply that same idea to absentee balloting. Look if you requested your ballot on time you get to mail it in. Get a chance to vote. That's basically all. He was trying to apply that same sort of analogy rationale to the absentee ballot voting. And that is one of the things that the Wisconsin or excuse me the. Us Supreme Court struck down when they struck this down and said no no. No you have to do it on time even if you did. Not Get your absentee ballot. That's me you do not have a chance to vote unless you go and risk your life to do well and and just as a side to that. I definitely saw news reports that folks in line at poll closings were Santoni as well. Here's here's another fun aspect of we have a voter. Id Laws here that. The Republicans put in place to disenfranchise people. It requires that P- The poll workers check the photo on that. Id against the photo of the voter. Everybody was wearing masks yesterday. Two days ago every single person if they if they would've asked me to take my life I would have sold them out and I mean to me that is this election. I don't think is I don't think I my guess is we're GonNa see more litigation out of this election no matter what way it goes Judge Judge Conley still has And he said in his order still has continuing jurisdiction over it and I mean theoretically it was so bad and there were there were so many violations of people's constitutional rights. I mean you know. Taking one hundred and eighty plus polling places down to five that alone I would think would be enough for. At least somebody bring lawsuit. I mean it you know ordering a new election would be a pretty extreme remedy and that did happen in the North Carolina when when all that fraud was brought to light but I believe that was the state body that said we're having another election not a court but I mean I. I'd be surprised if this is over with the Challenger wins will get a new election right so if Dr Jill Karachi the Democrat. I actually I had jury duty in her courtroom Last summer so yeah. It does just randomly shot. I was very impressed. It do you have any kind and no. It's a shot in the dark is is is fine but but do you have any sense of You know whether Whether the that there might be the potential for a positive outcome. I honestly don't. There's so much that was different. I mean I did talk to a lot of people who went out and voted and who are able to absentee vote anyway And who were so pissed I mean and this is this is cheesy and I apologize in advance I legitimately was thinking about John. Lewis that morning when I was I was sitting there talking to my wife you know. Do I do this? And we were thinking about all the people who have been through so much just to be able to vote that. I mean it galvanized me. Of course I'm going to do it. And a lot of people I know felt the same way and thought the same kind of thing but then there were people like one of our friends is a single mom and would have had to take her young kid to the polls were there to vote and didn't want to expose her kids to that so she stayed home and she and the reverse. I've I have. I have driven folks to the pulse before I used to live My old house in Montgomery County was next to one of the largest seen your retirement living centers in the state of Maryland. And right and so you know is part of my volunteer. I would drive Folks in a van over to the polls there's no way on earth you know you would get out the vote among the retirement community in this rally. I mean it is it. Is I mean that. Would that would just be irresponsible. And unconscionable and so yeah. I mean it it. I think when you see when you get at that point where the risks you take for yourself are one thing but but the fact that you know this put Vulnerable citizens at risk is just. It's hard to imagine. Yeah on that same lines and this'll be the last thing you know our Lieutenant Governor Mandela Barnes. Said I do not feel comfortable telling people to go vote. I mean and that Lieutenant Governor Estate showing citizens you have to make your own choice. I'm not gonNa tell you to vote. I never ever heard anything like that. Wow Yeah he. He was also the one now on the morning. That said I think it was something like Let's get ready for this shit show. We'll leave that unclouded horned but I you know correct absolutely. That's that's the other buffer brothers. Slow Suffer Michael Michael Buffer the third. One let's get ready for this shit all right well. Anything else. Any other Concluding thoughts on on this clown horn. Show yes yes this is. This is a prologue and every listener out. There needs to understand that this is just a prologue. This is going to happen in the lead up and in November What we saw happen. Wisconsin is is the prelude to what is going to happen. I think everybody right now. Needs to go request an absentee ballot for the November election. And everybody right now to contact their member of Congress and demand demand universal vote by mail in the next round of Copa Stimulus funding. A those two things absolutely need to happen and we would be crazy to to not get on it right now. That's that's a tremendous call to action. I I agree with that it. It's also kind of as if it's it's super important that We recognize that There are forces all around who succeed only by discouraging you into not voting and that maybe maybe you should do your best to counter those absolutely opening arguments is brought to you by podium folks these days running a business complex I mean. 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That's ten percent off using podium dot com slash and wildcard time Andrew. I think you had One more by the way. I'm coughing a lot. And that's definitely allergies. Right right I you yes. I'm I'm coughing and sneezing all of that if you look at like. Whoa when I've taken my garbage to the curb a look at always look at that the hood of my car my car and it's like coated in a thick layer of greenish or pollen. Like yeah no my my allergies are running haywire. So I'm with you brother. Hopefully it's just that. Yeah definitely definitely just no no reason. I would need to worry about cough like nothing else. Knowing. We're not tell them absolutely. Not what's that's not arrive card segment? No let's segue our wildcard segment. Is the complaint wash light versus Fox News that dozens hundreds of you have sent to me have engaged on twitter of Said see? Isn't Fox News? Going TO BE SUED OUT OF EXISTENCE I'm going to break this down for you. But if you only listen to the first eight seconds of the C segment no no. They're not this. Complaint is nonsense. It's written in Crayon which is Actually being generous And I'm going to break down exactly why This is a garbage complaint that we would not want to see you know even if even if it were brought by competent parties and competent lawyers. And you know none of which is the case so These are all your answers and an old man as I started to dig into this complaint. The the rabbit hole went deep. My friends so I Reading a complaint. Let's start with the Turn to the very last page right. Who were the parties? And who were they represented by so the party in this case the plaintiff is the Washington League for increased transparency and ethics which they abbreviate to wash like W. A. S. H. L. I. T. Carry First Question. I was thinking it was a product the to another product that I won't mention that Everyone knows some anyway. I was like you want goes inside. The never occurred to me I literally until just now that. That's that's spectacular. Not you're saying it's not. It's not that as far as I can tell wash. Light doesn't have website when I when I go there you type in. Www dot wash light dot org correct that that can't be that can't be reached dot com and that is in German right like it's when you google. Everything involving wash. Light is talking about this lawsuit. So so they don't really seem to have a presence so I went to the Washington Secretary of state and And look them up They are a Washington. Nonprofit was founded in two thousand seventeen. They've twice failed to timely file their annual report. Which is what you have to do to renew yourself as a As an organization each year they've only had to do that two years so there. Oh for two in that. They failed to file in two thousand eighteen. Had to file late. They failed to file in two thousand nineteen so they had to file eight and they were administratively dissolved on February third twenty twenty. They filed they applied for reinstatement by by filing their annual report We can half later. The there are three governors of this nonprofit corporation. Arthur West David Koenig and Sherry Bach winkle the the purpose under the Washington Code is listed as education principal. Place of business of wash. Light is Eighteen twenty six berry street northeast in Olympia Washington on get include the Google map link in the show notes. that's a house. Okay but fine. So what we're seeing is very very tiny nonprofit not okay but like tiny nonprofits can do some good look. My business is my house. Yeah Yeah right exactly. Everybody's businesses our house right now. That's that's true. So so who's in the house right? Who's Arthur West? Yeah I could do that. Because on his application I have Arthur West g mail address. It's not hard to find but but instead what I'm going to do because I welcome the forthcoming lawsuit opening arguments media. Llc is Maryland Limited Liability Company. Getting Line I'm going to read from the Seattle Times January Fifteenth Twenty Fifteen. I'm going to read their characterization and description of Arthur West and I'm going to again point out. This is result of my reading a reputable news report quote head Headline Liquor Board. Pays one hundred ninety two thousand dollars to make public records? Gadfly go away Arthur. West of Olympia is known for filing records requests and complaints of open meetings law violations at various public agencies in one recent example. He said he collected one hundred. Eighty seven thousand dollars from the port of Olympia to settle lawsuits over open meetings violations. This time it's the Liquor Board Pang out. He accused the board of breaking the state's open meetings law as it began working on rules for a new legal marijuana industry. Thurston county judge agreed finding seventeen violations and then in a settlement late last month the board agreed to pay West one hundred and nine hundred thousand dollars to withdraw all of his public records requests and legal actions. They did not admit legal liability in the lawsuit but they pay the money. He went away while West was noted that he was barred from commenting on the settlement. He did tell the Associated Press on Thursday quote. I can say there is an excellent view from the front porch of the House. I am closing on this week and of court so draw your own conclusions about the high minded civic nature of Arthur West appears to be by media reports somebody who goes around looking for violations and then Rather than pursuing them for Publicans pursues them for private settlements to go away which he then used to buy a house in two thousand fifteen presumably the house. You can see on Google. It's very very nice house. We should start doing yeah. Who's his lawyer? His lawyer is Elizabeth Hallaq. And if you want to know who that is. I'm going to quote from another media source. This is the Yakima Herald and I just WanNa say I squire on his town for a few people now so Liz. Haluk thirty nine is an attorney and risk management consultant a certified family law mediator and she owns the sweet relief. Marijuana retail store in Yakima. She is of course running for governor as the candidate of the Green Party. Halik said she decided to run for governor in part because quote small businesses getting destroyed by state and federal policies that favor corporations and exploit tax loopholes. And this is. This is directly quote from her. The current administration is too busy trying to get national media attention which seems like an interesting complaint back in February of two thousand twenty for somebody that filed a lawsuit for the sole purpose of gaining media attention in March of two thousand twenty. But let's keep going it. Threatens Small businesses like mine and neglects problems at home. It threatens the rights of responsible adults whether it's taking away gun rights or banning flavored vapes. Well there you go look Liz Halicki is not going to be the next governor of Washington but This is probably not competent to be bringing this lawsuit. That's a high charge. So let's continue our opening arguments approved method of reading complete backwards by scrolling back from the caption of the closing salutation and And Attorney Caption Let's go to the actual causes of action are going to start with the first cause of action which claims that Fox News violated the Washington Consumer Protection Act Now. The Washington Consumer Protection Act prohibits unfair methods of competition and unfair or deceptive ads or practices in the conduct of any trade or commerce right. And so you look at it and you're GonNa all right and then the complaint says and so calling the corona virus a hoax not that they list any specific statements by Fox News. We'll get to that in a minute but That seems like that could be unfair deceptive right on not only that. I just saw today. I doubt this is what the loss about Fox. News pushed the Hydrochloric Flash. Your drug like twenty million times in the last few weeks. Even though it's not pr anyway that also that would that would that would be three hundred times in two weeks is the thing is that I saw. That might be helpful if that were mentioned in this lawsuit which it does not but but there's a much bigger problem than that And that is making this claim that is publishing. News is conduct of trade or commerce is explicitly foreclosed by binding precedent in the jurisdiction the cases called Fidelity Mortgage Corporation versus Seattle Times Company. It's literally the first case you pull up when you type in into into West law which is how I found it Consumer Protection Act within the same sentence as media and you get this case from the Intermediate Appellate Court in Washington state in which Fidelity Mortgage Corporation brought a lawsuit against the Seattle Times claiming that their mortgage rate charts which appeared in a news. Article were knowingly false misleading or deceptive quote and. The court said that was. It was that that claim was dismissed out at the trial court level and affirmed by the Intermediate Appellate Court which said as a threshold matter. News articles are not paid advertising. They are not published quote in the conduct of any trade commerce. They do not fall within those activities as governed by the Washington Consumer Protection Act Fidelity sites Noah holding that newspapers can be held liable under the CPA for statements made in news articles the trial court properly found for the times on this claim that is as close to. Yeah no as you can possibly get an idiot. I WanNa make sure that For purposes of the lawsuit against us. I'm not opining as a matter of law. I am opining colloquially that it is malpractice if you were an attorney and yet don't take a look and you say and you plead this paragraph five point three of the complaint within the first cause of action defendant's conduct trade within the meaning of the CPA as a lawyer you have an obligation to make sure that statement is true and that statement is false as a matter of Washington law by a direct case. Exactly on point that says newspapers media are not bound. They're not conducting trade or commerce Under the Consumer Protection Act and look at and that is consistent with a hundred years of history involving newspapers at the Supreme Court Level. As well right like all on the one hand we know that there are profit motives involved in media reporting but on the other hand like the Supreme Court has consistently put news into a different category. Right it said look yeah right like the New York. Times wants to sell newspapers. That doesn't mean that we evaluate the New York Times by the same standards that we would an advertisement in the New York Times. You you may want to argue about whether that should change in an era of cable news and I could entertain that rightly we could have a round table about it. You can't plead that in the complaint are you. Could you could say I have a good faith. Good faith basis for believing that we should reinterpret the CPA as extending to faulkner you. You could do that and be honest They didn't do that. I want to skip ahead to count three for a second. And you'll see why in a second count. Three is the torch of outrage. Do you toward everybody. Dub Get a read. The whole paragraph I've had the tort of outrage a lot and but pitch you have This is the entirety of it. Let me get sued by Andrew by resort outrageous by their accent emissions as described above defendants committed the tort of outrage by intentionally and recklessly recklessly acting in a heinous and outrageous manner far beyond the Pale of decent civilized conduct which conduct caused reasonably foreseeable severe mental and emotional distress. I want to sue time. Change toward of outrage. Because that's exactly what daylight savings time to me. Yeah and the fact that right by that formulation you would be able to sue. You know four for daylight savings time should be a good indication that fast now. What tort means. The Tortoise outrage is the archaic formulation of the Tort of Intentional Infliction of emotional distress and however disgusting Fox News is and like you know you can get very little argument on this show that it is not discussing. It would be hard to say. That Fox News is acting in an heinous it outrageous manner far beyond the pale of decent civilized conduct. That's that's that's reserved for like you know The the The scene in the middle of Kill Bill Volume. One right where you're hiding under the bed unlike assassins murder. Your family in front of you like. That's that's intentional. Infliction of emotional distress murder on them. But on you when you witness it right like that's that's the kind of conduct that that gives rise to claim well publishing murderer parents and grandparents in front of us. They're murdering their brains. But you know it's no that's not that's not the basis for so So that leaves we did. We did the two chocolate cookie halves of the oreo cookie. What about the creamy filling in the middle? The creamy filling in the middle is count to a declaratory judgment. Count which I. I honestly like honestly. The only reason to put that in there is that somebody looked over it and I guess just Liz looked over. It was like I can't file this with just two complex three. You don't need and what it says is I want a declaratory judgment that I'm right on counts one in three. You don't need that you could just win on counts one in three right so literally. It says I request that the court issue declaratory ruling under seal of this court declaring that the defendants violated the Consumer Protection Act by falsely deceptively. Disseminating news via cable news contracts that the novel Corona Virus Cove. Nineteen was a hoax. I it and that's county to that's count two is prayer a Tory relief that I'm right on one in three career. I feel like that could go infinite pretty quick you could declare Tori thing. That count to is right. Yeah all day you. That's not how you bring a declaratory judgment action and and again look like I wouldn't bring a family court action right like you know if if if two of our listeners are getting divorced and wanted me You know do Liz. Alex job like I wouldn't do that because I don't know how to do it. I'm not good at it. She shouldn't be doing this that she doesn't know what she's doing. And she's not good at But but there you go this lawsuit is it's it's bloody nonsense. You can't Sue Fox News because you don't like the tenor of their reporting It would be a much more interesting to kind of PIN DOWN. The factual allegations on the like hydrochloric. But that's not what we have here and please start look. We all want Fox News to brought to their knees. That is not the point of this lawsuit. The point of this lawsuit is for two publicity seeking drifters to get a nuisance settlements out of Fox News and maybe provide the backstop for their Green Party campaign for for governor in the state of Washington. It is not to police the news it is not to stand up for the rights of Americans So stop retweeting news articles about this. Stop paying any attention to them. Let Starve them out and dry. Dry Them. Up and And not pay attention to this garbage anymore. I love it Yeah that's like rooting for Larry. 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Because this is a A very specific Procedural legal but but his is definitely outside of interest wheelhouse so We will not have a repeat where it will be like. Well actually this is this is paraphrase a that. I argued before the Supreme Court which gave him a slight advantage on the bar exam will be one of the ones. I are supreme. Maybe let's turn the tables. The tables all right Thomas Andrew a pedestrian domiciled and stay was crossing the street in St be when he was hit by a car driven by a citizen of a foreign country. My Gosh where'd you bury the survivor? Exactly both the pedestrian and the driver suffered injuries. The pedestrian filed a negligence action against the driver in Federal District Court in St. Be Seeking One hundred thousand dollars in damages. The driver believes that the pedestrian crossing the street illegally and is therefore responsible for the accident. The driver seeks attorney's advice on how best to respond to the action term assume that state B is a contributory negligence state. Which by the way that would mean if it's like one of six states of which Maryland just one of them but nevertheless assume that state is a contributory negligence state. How should the attorney advise the driver to respond? Oh my gosh file. An answer raising the affirmative defense of contributory negligence and asserting a counterclaim for negligence seeking damages for the drivers injuries. Be File an answer raising the affirmative defense of contributory negligence and moved for judgment on the pleadings see moved to dismiss lack of personal jurisdiction because the driver is not a citizen of state. B Or d moved to dismiss for lack of subject matter jurisdiction because the driver is not a US citizen. Wow this this. This is hard so if you I if your hip by somebody's a citizen of a foreign country. Can you sue them for damages? Can they sue you for damage or have you? They were injured by you crossing the street. I guess I mean what was the iron man crossing the street. The driver suffer injuries. I guess they try to. They hit the person and then hit a pole or something. Because at that or you got to get a real superhero situation. Where they you know they like back into the car and just clears out the whole thing. okay. This is impossible as hoping that as I filibustered. Maybe like some law. School education would have happened in my past but that didn't seem to have worked so The best way to respond there's contributor negligence okay. This pedestrians in state a but was crossing Be filed negligence action in State B. That seems reasonable. I mean that's where you were hit so it doesn't seem like that's any Like Shenanigans in terms of where you are. We've seen creative. You know whatever you call it forum shopping. We've seen that before but I don't think that's necessarily this So these all the problem is all. These answers seem plausible to me. But it's like what's the best way to get out of this whole mess. That's what they do. There's two answers that that work but one of them has a slightly better reason behind it so I guess I'd have to decide if I feel like the citizen. Foreign country thing is matters like I i. I don't know I feel like you citizen of foreign country. I don't really know why they're here. I don't know why they're here. You're Smith Make America Great Again Immigrants House here under some sort of like. Does it matter you know? You always have the diplomatic immunity thing that's different. That's not happening here. I don't think this is just a citizen of a foreign country cash. I just don't okay. Let me go through. A finance. Originally -firmative vents contributory negligence and asserting counterclaim for negligence. I mean that all sounds reasonable. Be Violent answer. Raising the -firmative defensive contribute so same first part and then moved for judgment on the pleadings. I don't know what that means So would that be like a better somehow? A Better Way to respond. I judgment on planes. I feel like a make sense that you would assert a counterclaim but is that like is the answer. Say like yeah but that's a longer route to something I don't know but I okay since I have nothing to go on in terms of my own knowledge. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa say a is better than B. and I'll just I think it is. I'll just go with that. See moved to dismiss for lack of personal jurisdiction because the drivers not assist of State. Be Happen. They're like I don't if I'm if I'm hit in state B but I guess if you have two people who but I. I don't know the person was driving and state be it. Feels LIKE THE LAWS. The the the whatever the the laws around driving and hitting people that are stationed apply see. I could be wrong but I don't like C. D. Move to dismiss for lack of subject managers diction because the driver is not a US citizen. Okay that's definitely. If that's true that would be the easiest out of all of them so like I will say it's between a and D. Do I think that because the drivers not US citizen. There's no subject managers diction I. I feel like that can't be it works. I don't think you can just go to another country. Run over people. Sorry I'm not from here. There's nothing you can do. But maybe maybe that is how. I don't know I don't know seems to be how it works when when it's one of the diplomat that trump is friends with or whatever I'm actually going to go and hope that it's so between my hope. It's a final answer. This was impossible. I have no idea had it. Andrew I kind of. I think I kind of agree with you. I'm not I'm not swayed by by C. or d. The personal jurisdiction in C doesn't work. I mean that's federal courts or four different states diversity jurisdiction similarly d. I don't like because because I would think that would be a personal jurisdiction issue not a subject matter jurisdiction issue and I have to imagine that these cases can be brought and if they're going to be road it's going to be brought in Federal District Court not in State Court. I would think so. I can't change anything but I stupidly. Miss the Federal District Court in State. B I just saw court in statement so yeah that does change if it was if it was a state court. I'd be more inclined for for one of those but and the judgment on the pleadings is just saying you know you can And decide this case right now based on what this doesn't need to go farther which I think would be a mistake so I'm going to. I'm going to also say that is in her. Thank God that makes me feel bad. We're both wrong. Well doubt Listeners will have to tune in on Tuesday of course to find out how we did. 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Talkin' The Draft: Wisconsin WR Quintez Cephus

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Talkin' The Draft: Wisconsin WR Quintez Cephus

"People do amazing things every day and yet most of us feel like we can't do our taxes ourselves it doesn't make any sense. Turbo tax believes that with the right tools. Encouragement people can do anything. Yes even taxes and with turbo tax live you have access to CPA's on demand who are available even on nights deacons begins to answer your questions or give you advice to help. Make sure you do your taxes right and get your best possible refund turbo tax. All people are tax people What's up guys this another edition of talk in the draft on your host Connor. Livesey here with a special guest tonight. Rear Wisconsin Wide Receiver Quintas Safest. What's going on man? How are you tonight? I'm doing great. I know you are Wisconsin is very well represented in the NFL draft the NFL. Combine this year. So I'm sure that's where the place I wanted to start. I'm sure you're in the process of preparing for that. Nfl Combine Were you training right and kind of take us through your training regimen as a NFL draft prospect. Right now I'm in Arizona. I'm in Phoenix Arizona. Training that does and Like on a normal day we get up We have we have to upper body days or three upper body days. We actually get an extra upper body Dan on Saturday. And then we get to We'll get three lower body days as well So in the morning we get up and go over there have breakfast and they will do it like some correctives and work on whatever we need to work on their and get flexible or whatever and then after that will go through our list and then we will break for about an hour and a half and then we'll come back and get like an endurance workout. We're working on speed and power at the same time so it's And then on Tuesdays through Thursdays will go and they will add position work in as well it talking to guys over the years exo seems like the top of the Line Training Facility for the NFL draft combine. It's almost like a mini vacation for years and I mean. Obviously you're doing a lot of work but that places so nice that it's it's almost feels like vacation at times doesn't yeah after like the upper like the Scenery like the mouse and the dryness of it makes. It seem a little different for me but they I mean we're we're excellence from about nine to five in the evening so we're pretty much gone all day and we get Sunday's off so I mean it's pretty busy but it may. It may sound like it may case found guy. Bowl. It's pretty. It's pretty or like the work that were door. And do you think you spend more time training for like the forty and the vertical? The the broad drawn birdie think you're spending a lot more your time doing the receiving drills route running drills. You know the guys running the the CONESA lot to just get those those feet quicker and more clean. What do you feel like you spend more time doing in these these these environments sort of most part we are working on strength and power with helps us in our forty dash and vertical? Jump and things like that But they also add on interview training and stuff like that so a lot of it is boiled work as well getting up in front of the coaches or whatever when you're meeting with them getting on board and join up played and I think the former interviews this year eighteen minutes. So you KINDA gotta be locked in on that stuff too so The training part is a lot of is a big part of it. And that's what you can help yourself but I feel like the interview. Part is really big. Wow because you gotta be prepared for that stuff too. Yeah and I didn't even have this as a question that I wanted to ask you today but I'm kind of curious what you know if you were an NFL draft scout if you were a T. NFL team scout. What would be like the one question that you would wanna ask an NFL draft prospect? Like when you sit down with them what would be that. One question that you're gonNA fire off For me I would probably I would Sure you think it'd be more like like in your in your example. Do you think it'd be like a route running question or a special team? I feel special. Teams is so valued like that would be an important question for a lot of a lot of teams. I mean you could us like what Special Teams Unit participated in college? Kind of so you like. Is this guy going to be a teacher? I feel like a lot about stuff. News if you were participate on special teams or not but I would probably just see I would probably have a guy get up on the board and by what do play there you can kind of guys. Iq because I feel like that's a big part of the game is Rian coverages and You know in. What kind of sod adjustments do you have an offense or You know if you got a different coverage how would you adjust your out Versus discounters and. I feel like Aso's if you really if you really like you know high IQ level if you can really talk through different things like that. So that's probably what I'll go see does and I feel like this whole interview process. It's like asking a question and you WanNa get the answer that question but like you just said like it's it's more than just getting that one answer they wanna see you kind of go in depth a little bit and really show how smart of a player. You are Which you might get into some of that might ask you some of those questions as well here in a little bit. But I WANNA start off going back to your high school days coming out of high school being a high school recruit. What led you to Wisconsin. I'm sure you've had offers coming out of high school. What was that deciding factor coming out of high school that you that really drew you to the University of Wisconsin. So I I had I had like four or three. I had for different schools. I was considered and For me it was it was about. I get in like what program was. GonNa go eight hours become like a better man and grow to Moses and I felt like Wisconsin at the time when I was coming out. They were linked in the top twenty five academically in college tuition so I felt like that was big for me and but that our get a fast play part time program and the the guys that I met when I went to Wisconsin. They made me feel. They made me feel like it was an environment where where you can really be yourself and and something you can kinda grow into your own person and that that's kind of what I don't I I understood like I wanted to play in all but whereabout win. I knew I was going to work hard and I was GONNA do whatever to it to give myself the best chance to play so I think collectively Then by like the environment that I got some survived that I got from my my To the teammate that I was GonNa have and there's academically Really met my. Let me with my decision were you. Were you putting a lot of focus and going into a place where you could get on the field right away. Something you did. Do at Wisconsin where you could get some playing time and start to develop in year one at the program you choose for me. I felt like like I. I felt like anywhere. I I knew our work my button like give myself a chance. so Wisconsin I was able to play as a freshman stuff but I just I don't know I was going to work hard way. And give myself the best chance to play I didn't really look at this if I were gonNA play here sooner. Or whatever I didn't really look at that factor of it and I'm curious because as a high school recruit receiver going to college program. I mean obviously Wisconsin is known for being you know more of a ground and pound style offense. Is that something that you look looked at? And what man like am. I going to get the opportunities here. And obviously you know you know you're going to work your butt off. You know you're going to do the right things but like did your did. Your skill set is a receiver fit. What the Wisconsin. Game offensive game plan kind of looked like and what they told you it would be. I knew going into it that outgoing block and I was GONNA have to be willing to get there to get my head there and That was I mean that was part of the game and that was constant. We obviously did a lot more than we did. A Lot. More blocking them. Most programs nowadays with a Like air raid spread off yet. Aerator spread offense and stuff like that So I felt like it was going to challenge me to be a complete receiver. I was you know I ended up having a good season Which is why. I'm here today but I feel like it forced me I. It challenge me to be a complete receiver Having a block and do some of the things like you know that that really so's toughness And I mean I embraced it Because we had Jonathan Taylor. The you know he can crease. The line of scrimmage so fast saying If you're not what you're supposed to be blocking and stuff you can kinda get expose really fast. You know I think so. I turn on your tape. I see a bigger body. Physical guy that wins using his size. You know his strength the catch point in a Lotta your your strengths as a receiver kind of mold into what it you know what you have to be as a blocker is a receiver. You gotta be physical. You gotta be Kinda Nat- you know. I think he used the word dirty to not dirty a dirty player but dirty is in. You got to be willing to do that. Dirty work the blocking you know which some receivers aren't aren't okay with. But you're like stresses receiver kind of fit in. Well with though often set Wisconsin a guy who can who can be physical out on the boundary as a blocker. He can be physical down the field as a blocker. And really you know. Seal the edge and seal the lanes for a guy like Jonathan Taylor and is something you kind of pride your game on as a receiver is your physicality is your like bully nature that you play with that kind of the style of play that you WanNa bring into the NFL. Yes most definitely after like Watch them on film they study myself back. That's a strange that doesn't mean monster and My comedy I felt like you know if I was I if I were if I was gonNA play them on my it would be planned aggressive and using my size they use my hands to create create space for myself And you know that that that's what shows up on my tape and I definitely you know. Look forward to you know. Those guys are going to be bigger stronger. They're going to be fast at the next level So it's GonNa be a challenge in I you know. I'm sure I'll I studied guys in the NFL. Like Micheal. Thomas Guys that are big and strong and use F. Kennedy And I mean instead of that challenge for me but I look forward to you know. Find a way to win at the next level row. Sure I wanted to talk a little bit about your versatility as receiver. You've played some outside. You played some inside your in a bunch of different routes at Wisconsin A. What were some of your favorite routes to run both as an outside receiver and a slot receiver at Wisconsin for for me like on the goal. Line like without getting closer to the red zone Just having those jump balls in the reservoir and also when you win if as you guys to Kinda get used to it and you can kind of some up on a slant as well off debate them so I felt like That combination for me is what I love the most about about my game and I think that plays to my stent whether it's Using my strengths to get on a edge and pulled through and make a catch From say the fifty bars and I feel like on the slants. I can you know win at the line and dog I buy and when slants Well that's what I like most of our like. I want to know something I use when I'm evaluating receivers and something that I've been taught along the years of doing this now. I'm curious to see what you say about this. But when I see a guy run routes and he's a good route runner and I grate him as a good route runner. I always say that he sells the fade until it's not. Is that something that they coach in college. That you always want to sell every route being a fade until you. You mentioned that that's why I wanted to say that. Because you said you use that slant off of the fee you can use the post hyphen fee. Is that something that you kind of learn to do as receiver in College Yup Coach was big on Holding your line and giving yourself room for that faith or whatever it was it was always you know getting on have you know and a half a man and pressing you show to to give yourself space on outside whether it's a vertical route Or you're stopping on a dime. You Always WanNa save yourself as much room a win and run go first and and you kind of have a bunch of routes also that goes down So I feel like that is a big part of route running and Guys that in really release make everything. Look the same until it's not. Our guys normally does win a lot of routes Chur yet and I. I did have a question to kind of based off that. I'm really interested to get your answer so we talked about running the fate until it's not into the slants the the other routes as well. I'm curious when you are when you're when you're facing press man to man coverage what's the ways that you can win? Off The line of scrimmage off your release at the next level Being a guy. That's so big so physical. Which ways can you beat that? Pressman coverage Based on your release at the next level I feel like something quick. You know not a lot of dancing you have when you have size. You don't WanNA DANCE YOU. You know you're not like the big twitchy or whatever like when I was little speedy guys to Kinda WanNa give give give a DV something quick and get running and user. Stern support yourself through and and just hold your line like you. WanNa you WanNa hold your line and you know you wanna you WANNA stand and get on a half a man and hold your line and really you know if he hits a hit with you using your strength to throw them by or whatever sits at the call yourself through to get on top of them And whatever you need to do to kind of like lock. It pits out and make them mine. it's something definitely that you're going to have to do at the next level. That's what they're doing. Sure and I I do WanNa talk a little bit about The into your season in your your junior year. I you finish the year off strong. Going five for seventy nine Five one fourteen seven for one twenty two and then seven for fifty nine against some tough competition. You went up against Ohio State Minnesota Oregon Perdue. Who's not no slouches for defense? Either what was it did did finish finishing your junior year off. Did that have a lot to do with your decision to leave school early? And go into the draft I kinda And the other is the only reason I ask. That is because you go up against a defense like Ohio state who has draft picks all up in town it you know draft picks back right cool and you put up seven twenty two seven point four yards per catch. It's Kinda like man. This is this has gotta be a rise in the draft stock and this is the perfect time to kind of leave and. I'm sure some other some other examples went into your decision but I'm sure that that end of the year had had been a big a big deciding factor for you possibly right it it I don't I don't WanNa say I honestly don't know if it was a lot of what was I didn't talk about like when I was deciding what I was GONNA do. I didn't talk a lot about The games that I had to end my season but I mean in those moments in those moments though I would say I knew I was going up against towards out doing up or Minnesota I was going up against the top ten deep pet or higher state. I'll run up against the top ten defense and I knew they had i. Can't they had big time? Cornerback that we're going to be there and they were gonNA play man to man and it was gonna be my opportunity to show the world that I can play with these guys or I can. I can win against these guys. And that's something that. I lean on like all week at practice like I knew I knew what I wanted to do. Going into those games. I knew they were GonNa be moneymakers for me or for you know it was gonna be decided factor if I can play or not. You know definitely trying to go to the next level. Where these guys are you know? Biggest faster stronger So it was something that always knew. I wanted to go to the next level and I had an opportunity to play against great talent so It gave me confidence In my decision Just knowing that I could win and and be productive like talent but I know I talked to my coach about it and stuff to my family and it was one of those things like if he asked me if I was ready for it and you know I felt like I was ready for it and I am like I. I feel like I have the tools I have the same I have. I have what it takes like a have I have. I have the strength. I have good hands. I have what it takes to you. Know be a successful receiver at this level After those games did by give me confidence in that Going to going up against those big Tom guys but yeah. I mean you know this better than I do you know. That's those are the Games. The coaches are the. Nfl coach is probably GonNa Throw on. I you know when they're like male. Let's check out a check out how Quintas did against this Ohio state defense. You know. That's those are the Games are GONNA throw on I. He gets Minnesota the the Big Games Championship Games. They're gonNA throw those on and for for you to put up those numbers against NFL talent. It's gotta gotTa massively help the stock especially there at the end of the year. Those fresh games in the mind of the scouts. It's it's got to be a big a big jump for you. I'm not going to keep you too much longer man. I know you're busy. You got a lot of things. You're working on couple last few questions for you. I know Wisconsin has a very good reputation of putting guys in the NFL. Have you been in contact with any of these guys recently? Who's been drafted? I mean? Obviously you got your your t j watch Ryan Ramczyk. She's had some guys. Recently Troy Puma. Golly who played on offense with you and then some alignment as well. Have you been in contact with any of these guys and kind of just ask for vice for some opinions on things? Have you built a relationship in kept communication guys? I've talked to a bunch of guys from Wisconsin but in out here Arizona. There's a lot of talented guy data out here in one guy was my best friend. Nick Nelson. He plays quarterback for the raiders I spent a lot of time talking to him. He went through this process. A couple years ago And you know he's like my budget so I talked to him a lot about the different things and where I'm at in my you know making progress and like where am I in my pocket. My you know in this whole thing. So He's been a cornerstone for me. And lately I've gotten to know decay metcalf alone a lot Really well and I've been talking to him a bunch about you know what they're looking for some of the things that he's done who You know help himself get ready for it or You know just been a young guy and having so much success early Just wanted to know like really like pick his brain and he's been here resource for me as well. So I'll kind of stuck to those two Gotcha. Good that's a good. That's a good to to half for sure Get Two questions for you. Then I get you out of here man For people listening for people who are going to read and follow the draft to might not be familiar with you. How would you describe yourself as a player? And how would you sell yourself to the fans and the teams wondering more about Quintas Safest? I would say that I am. I am very energetic. Guy GonNA bring a bunch of energy to whoever just me I'm GonNa you know be have everything. I need a line. Be On time. Know what I need to know my son meant. And you know when my number's called making big plays making stuff catches and you know just in asset to whoever whichever often able to be a part of awesome in my final question for you Quintas. This is a NFL draft podcasts. I but we do. Add a little cowboy Dallas cowboys flavor into it What would it mean to be drafted by a organization like The Dallas Cowboys? If they were to draft you in April that'd be The Dallas cowboys they. Are you know America's team and they have a huge fan base and there would be amazing running out on Seo? I was able to play that in my freshman year against Central Michigan in the Cotton Bowl and That was the big time experience The bright lights in the star. It'll be nothing like awesome man. Thanks so much for your time. Enjoy your your time on. Arizona's training for the combine new you. You're going to be out in Indianapolis in a few weeks to to do that. It's going to be a big step in this whole process for you. Thank you so much for coming on man. May We have you back on. After the combine the closer we get to the draft star. Thank you so much. Of course we were joined by Quintas Sif Wisconsin wide receiver. He'll be head to the combine here shortly Big Time player a big physical receiver on the outside. Does the dirty work in Wisconsin. He's a he's a heck of a fun evaluation so he'll be top receiver drafted in his NFL draft class and a very very cool story. So he's a be on the lookout for him get to know him a lot of fun. Thanks so much for listening guys. Connor Livesey with talking to draft guys next time.

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Judges in Wisconsin and Georgia Approve Mass Voter Roll Purges 2019-12-18

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Judges in Wisconsin and Georgia Approve Mass Voter Roll Purges 2019-12-18

"Mass voter purges. In Georgia and Wisconsin have voting rights advocates concerned ahead of twenty twenty. It's not just the purge it's voter. ID It's changes to the registration process. It's changed a student. ID processes redistricting and it's a stomach effort for a decade to make more difficult to vote. I'm Tansy Nevada and today on the takeaway away for December eighteenth a look at how the battle over voting rights is playing out in individual states. Also on the show a citizenship law in India has drawn international condemnation seven countries including the. US appear unlikely to follow up on threats of sanctions. Even these developments normally believes that the statements that are coming out of the the United States would amount to anything more than safe concern. I don't think anyone babysitters keeping fear that they could be actions. We've got a quick hitter today. So let's get to it Across the country states are continuing to urge voters from their roles in advance of the two thousand election from two thousand sixteen to two thousand eighteen. Seventeen million voters were pulled from state registration systems. And that's according to a report from the Brennan Center for Justice in the past week alone judges in Wisconsin and George approve mass voter roll purges in their states and in Wisconsin two hundred thirty four thousand voters were ordered to be removed for failing to report their current address and Georgette jet. Roughly three hundred thirteen thousand voters could be removed from the state's roles for failing to update their address and for not participating in an election in seven a years with Republicans and Democrats gearing up for twenty twenty-five where every vote counts. Key states like Wisconsin in Georgia. Here more than ever about. WHO's on their voter liberal joining hour? Mark Nikki Georgia government reporter at the Atlanta Journal Constitution and my on silver reporter for. W YOU WM MM-HMM in Milwaukee welcome to you both. Thank you great thanks Myron. Let's start with you in Wisconsin. We said that two hundred thirty thousand voters could be removed from the state's. It's voter rolls for not updating their addresses the original date on this however was supposed to be in twenty twenty one. Why is it happening now? who was behind that? Yes so a conservative. A group filed a lawsuit. There called the Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty Basically the Wisconsin Elections Commission every few years before an election. There's like a data matching process and the C.. Which voters may have moved because these voters interacted with maybe the DMV or the US Postal Service so they sent out these letters and they asked people to confirm confirmed their addresses? The Election Commission was giving up to twenty twenty one for voters to do this because they didn't completely trust whether it was flagging the right people who had moved with everybody had actually moved. This actually happened before in the election cycle before the February twenty primary and the election. The commission found that people were showing up at the polls and they hadn't moved and then they were deactivated so the election commission decided to be a little more conservative about it. It's a bipartisan commission. And made up of Republicans and Democrats voted five to one to give these two years so this conservative group didn't file a lawsuit back in two thousand eighteen during the mid terms arms but they decided to come forward now and say that they want to clean up the roles and that Wisconsin has this statute that says that the voter should be deactivated needed after these mailings after thirty days instead of two years and mark in Georgia the most voter the most recent voter purge say is been driven by something something called the use it or lose it law and that means if you haven't voted in seven years you're off the roles. How does that work? How common is that Georgia's one of about nine states is that has this? Kind of law that removes voters for inactivity no contact with election officials or no participation in elections inside and out of the three hundred thousand names that were removed from Georgia's voter registration list Monday night. The inactive voters made up the nearly one hundred twenty thousand of those now. We know that Stacey. Abrams was behind the effort to stop this voter roll. Purge Georgia mark on Monday a judge said the purge could move forward but then agreed to schedule more hearings on this later in the week. That just seems incongruent to me. What's happening there well? There was they last minute court effort to stop the cancellation process on Monday. It was scheduled to take place Monday night and when we got into federal a court on Monday the judge is both sides will. What's the harm of me? Letting it go forward tonight. It's been planned for months and months and and if I find that some voters shouldn't have been removed. I can just order you to put those voters back on. But you're coming to me here with this last minute request and the judge wanted more time to review it so he allowed the cancellation process to go forward with the caveat that he'll hold another court hearing on Thursday and may decide that some of those voters that were canceled should be reactivated my on in Wisconsin. Who are the people that are most affected added by these purchase? The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel did a study on this particular Persian. The found that it would disproportionately affect democratic urban areas. The letters went out to about seven percent of Wisconsin's registered voters in the entire state. But they were concentrated in the areas of Milwaukee Madison which are the big urban areas and the Journal Journal Sentinel found that about twenty three percent of the letters were sent to Milwaukee and Madison even though it only accounts for fourteen percent of registered voters. And when you say urban areas are we conferring there that those are largely communities of color poor communities or how does that break down. Yes they tend to be younger. People in urban areas tend to move more often. There's a larger larger minority population Wisconsin as a whole tends to be rather white and rural and Milwaukee and Madison have a higher concentration of minority voters in fact Milwaukee is a majorities minorities city as my on. How are people finding out about this? I mean I'm assuming they're not getting text message. That's alerting them to the fact that they're about to be removed from the rolls. Is this still paper mail. Yeah so people are getting letters in the mail and I talked to one voter. Who's actually canvasser are for a union? And she said that she got it in the mail and she had moved but she didn't know what it was she didn't trust it. She didn't realize she had to reregister sister and she actually said her grandmother got a letter and hadn't moved. She was very suspicious about it. There was appeal recently. Filed by the Wisconsin the Department of Justice on behalf of the Elections Commission in State Court but the League of women voters filed a federal lawsuit on Tuesday in Federal Court. And they're alleging that these letters are due process violations because they're not telling people exactly what's happening to them. These certainly didn't tell them that they had thirty days before they were going to be deactivated. And so there's there's GonNa be some battles in in both federal and State Court mark. Same questions for you over in Georgia. WHO's most affected by these voter roll? Purchase and Georgia. It's interesting at least this year. That when you might have expected that there would be racial and geographic disparities. We haven't been able to detect took those in Georgia's cancellation list. The amount of voters being canceled is relatively consistent with their share of the voting population. As a whole so while many other examples of voting practices that change access to the polls all such as Paul Closures for example. Have a racial impact. That isn't showing up in this year's cancellation process. Let's talk about same day. Registration Miami my own because that seems to be what some groups are saying the solution to all this it won't disenfranchise but how easy is it. What does the process look like for same day registration Wisconsin enacted a fairly strict voter? Id Law in twenty eleven and since then there's been some research on it. Basically people have to show up at the polls with a photo photo. ID and some sort of proof of residence and you know th some academics Professor David Meyer from U W Madison. They did research studying voter. Id Based on the twenty sixteen elections and they found that it did have an effect on voters and it was. It did impact voters voters of color voters in poverty. The people that tend not to have access to be able to to pay for the documentation or who don't necessarily have a car or who move more often even from in into Wisconsin from out of state. So you know it is something that is an issue in it is affecting people And and people are saying that same day. Registration is not necessarily a cure. All because it's it you know what would have been a really easy show up to the polls is now something that is a bureaucratic castle. The interesting thing is that sometimes conservative groups are saying that these measures are become to prevent voter fraud in Wisconsin and the Wisconsin Elections Commission. Says has that from February twenty eighteen to February twenty nineteen. It turned up two dozen cases of suspected voter fraud out of two point. Seven million votes cast in the November midterms and the year before there were seven voter fraud cases. So this isn't something. That's you know bearing out in the numbers mark. Same thing winging question to you. I mean. There are many obstacles as you mentioned in Georgia including The closure polling places in addition to this sort of Voter roll purge. But there are people in Georgia. That voting's easy. I mean you have automatic voter registration. Is that the answer to this. There are so many things going on on with elections that both increase and limit access and in general more people are being being added to Georgia's voting rolls. That are being subtracted and that is largely because of automatic voter registration. When people get driver's licenses they are automatically signed and up to vote unless they opt out and that is adding tremendous numbers of people to Georgia's voting rolls about five hundred thousand in the last year and more than three hundred fifty thousand a year before that? And that's largely because George's growing state people are moving to Georgia and signing up to vote when they get their driver's licenses and and I wanNA talk politics here and the remaining two minutes that we have in the segment Mark Democrats are saying at least at Georgia showing signs of going blue for the first time in decades leads which could indicate that? This is politically motivated. These voter purges. How much truth is there to that? It's hard to tell how politically motivated aided they are. But this has been the practice and Law in Georgia for a number of years now this method of cancelling voters every other year is is something that has been happening for years. It does seem like the numbers have risen in recent years but this this is not a new process and my on in two thousand sixteen. We know trump one Wisconsin by less than twenty three thousand votes. It was not a landslide victory for the president talking politics over there. How does that play? And here's this Politically motivated or could it be politically motivated as we head into twenty twenty trump. It was a very close race in two thousand sixteen eighteen and by all accounts. Wisconsin is going to be really really close in twenty twenty that it's going to be you know there's a lot of different factors that are working in Wisconsin for Democrats There's a growing population diverse cities. But it's also home to a Lotta White voters without a college degree so You know basically this could take off. Tens of thousands of people who were wrongly flagged as as movers and The you know it could prevent people from getting to the polls. We don't know if it's you know we don't know how those people are necessarily going to vote or what they're voting habits are but you know even if people should have moved You know their professors who say that It's not necessarily important to look at the numbers in the aggregate that tens of thousands of people could be prevented from voting. It's if one person is prevented from getting to the polls and that this is part of a systemic effort to prevent voting. It's not just the purge it's voter. ID It's changes to the registration process. It's changes to student. Id Processes Redistricting and that. It's a systemic effort for a decade to make it more difficult to vote mark. Do you feel the same way about what's playing out in Georgia Specifically has how it relates to. What's going to happen in two thousand twenty? We'll we'll see what happens in two thousand twenty but I do think that will see incredible turnout and incredible interest there. The Secretary State and Georgia Georgia predicted that turnout will exceed well over five million in two thousand presidential election. This is a state that has just over seven million and registered voters. So that's very high turn out and during last year's election for governor too. We had record turnout for that election for a mid-term so there's high interest people are involved and it will be a very close and competitive race. I believe Mark macy's Georgia Georgia government reporter at the Atlanta Journal Constitution and my on silver is a reporter for W you WM in Milwaukee Mark Myong thanks to you both thanks for the takeaway supported by noon offering a personalized weight loss program that uses psychology and small goals. Also Change Habits with the goal of losing weight and keeping it off for good. Learn more at noon and O. M. DOT COM Mass protests are raging across India over over new law called the Citizenship Amendment Act. The law creates a fast track for immigrants from neighboring countries to obtain Indian citizenship. That is unless they're most slum slum and this is just the latest in a string of anti Muslim policies set forth by Prime Minister Narendra Modi which has many demonstrators worried that the world's largest democracy is on the path to becoming a non secular Hindu state. Here's a group of students reading from India's Constitution at a protest this week the people of India Having leaders you can't see you. India and in response to the protests U. N. officials and Human Rights Watch have issued statements of concern and despite Prime Minister Modi's amicable relationship with president trump. The United States Commission on International International Religious Freedoms has threatened India with sanctions for more on. This I'm joined by Supreme Sharma editor of the Indian news publication Scroll Dot in and she joins joins us now from New Delhi Supreme. Thanks for joining us. Thank you thanks for having me up. So what is the government. The Indian government's argument for essentially excluding Muslims From the list of religions in this legislation Danjiangkou Indian government has argued that these changes have been introduced in the citizenship law also out of humanitarian concern for refugees escaping religious persecution in these three countries Pakistan Bangladesh and Afghanistan but as critics appointed out the government's humanitarian concern is rather selective and arbitrary. It's limited to just the religious minorities in three muslim-majority countries in India's enabled. So people are asking. Why are these refugee groups not eligible for asylum and citizenship? In India. Prime Minister Modi has also been criticized for for essentially wanting to stir up tensions between India's majority Hindus in its minority Muslim community. Is this a a real example of that playing out. Yes absolutely. The change in the citizenship law needs to be seen against the backdrop of the more the government's plans to prepare a national register of citizens. Basically the government wants to screen in all Indian citizens of fresh in the process. It could ask people to produce documents to watch for their citizenship and those were unable to do so could end up being declared undocumented migrants entrance now given the recent changes in the law the fears that this process could Indian. Muslims uniquely vulnerable since members of other religious communities might still have have an option of citizenship by naturalization which this law denies to Muslims this has triggered widespread protests around the country. Tell us what the state eight of those protests are today. Does he not know. Initial protest against the slot took place in India's northeast region. Local communities fail getting swamped by migrants in the state of Assam last week we saw intense protests which led to a police crackdown. Five people were killed him police fighting but most significantly we're now seeing protests across engineer -versities and colleges so the protests have become extremely broad based last week onto they will more than sixty universities and colleges were demonstrations taking place and all being planned again. The turning point was really the events that we saw on Sunday when the police stormed the Jami University in Delhi fighting tear gas inside the library where students or visit eating books we saw. The police was beating up students. Students brutally and as soon as the news filtered out. It hadn't electrifying effect where students in lottery city started pouring out on the streets to protest. It's been three day since then. And the protests continue to spread to more campuses Supreme President Modibo visited the United States earlier. This year met with President trump in September. What what has that relationship? Look like between the two leaders. Tenzin up you might have seen the pictures were prime minister. Narendra Modi walked step in step with President President trump. In fact he held his hand took him around. Those images travel back to India where this was seen as a sign of a great relationship between these two leaders. In fact Many television stations in India being those images to say when moldy is now a world conqueror. This is the first time that the Indian Prime Minister has gone on one over a large audience in the US however wild they have been statements coming from the US government from the the Commission for religious freedom. They have expressed concerns. Almost no one in India seriously believes that any of this could actually damage the the relationship between the motor gene and the trump administration given that basically bought these leaders share of very nationalistic hard. Hard line politics. I want to talk a little bit about both of those issues. I mean has the we know that A. US Federal Commission is calling for sanctions against India. And any other leadership Eh. Home Minister Ameet shot specifically if he If the country moves forward with this bill is that a real threat. Does that fall on deaf ears. Most people in India don't think that's a real threat that's also partly to do with the impression that Indians have of the trump team. They haven't seen it act against solitaire in leaders yours elsewhere in the world. It doesn't seem like that would happen with India either. The last few months we have seen very troubling developments in India for instance in August the under Moody Government took away the special constitutional status of genuine cushman. India's only Muslim-majority province broke up. The state into downgraded status to Texas has governed by daily. It's been four months since then but seven million people are still living without Internet access for weeks. Even phone lines were down because Schmead is totally Louis cut off. The many people have been detained. Political leaders have been put under arrest despite this compete clampdown in Kashmira. We haven't really seen much approach response the US Congress held hearings and may have expressed concern with even these developments. No one really believes that that the statements that are coming out of the United States would amount to anything more than statements of concern. I don't think anyone really seriously thinks that there could be sanctions to that right in. I mean in some ways the Citizenship Amendment Act that we've been talking about which targets Muslim specifically could be compared to president. Trump's Muslim travel ban is. Is that an accurate comparison to make quite so yes. It's clear that essentially this is a law that discriminates against Muslims. And so it kill you. Resonates with the travel ban introduced by the trump administration and there are also talks at least from what we understand of detention camps that could be set up for Muslims. Are those similarities in. Our two countries are viewing immigration specifically so complicated because these detention camps have actually already been in existence either not detention camps uh-huh for Muslims specifically. But they've basically ended up incarcerating. Anyone who's been goalie speaking lives in eastern India India. This is the region that borders Bangladesh. Where they've always been concerns of migration from Bangladesh here again? It's important to point out that the National Register of citizens which Moldy government wants to now implementing across India which is essentially stalking anxieties among Indian Muslims. That has already been implemented in the state of a Sam in eastern India it basically ended up leaving two billion people caused by St Louis. We know that the government is building more detention camps in that state. And we know that that previously those who have been sent to these detention camps have merited it really heartrending stories. Almost started like situation the field now. Is that if this national disturbed citizen is prepared for or all of India could end up with a situation where many genuine Indian citizens might not be able to prove their citizenship. Purely because many people do not have documents like books tickets. These concerns are looking ready CEUS. Sabrina sharp is the executive editor. Uh of the Indian News Publications Scroll Dot in Supreme. Thanks so much. Thank you and that's our show for today. If you have any thoughts for us you can give us a call at eight seven seven might take or you can reach us on twitter at the takeaway. I'm Tansy Vega this is the takeaway takeaway and thanks so much for listening.

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Reviewing the Pixel 4, the calm before the streaming war, and a Foxconn Wisconsin update

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Reviewing the Pixel 4, the calm before the streaming war, and a Foxconn Wisconsin update

"Gone on all the talent moving on the video gaming services that's the virtuous coming up now there's no room for idle chat in business so if emails you're only moneymaker make there's going to I guess a little bit of a Fox Hunt Update Google Pixel four of us to get into detail we talk about the new Microsoft surface hardware deep in the streaming whereas Julia Alexander and what is hey you win hello and welcome verse cast the flagship podcast of Racine Wisconsin. Oh my God I'm your friend Eli is here hi how's it going new channel go to intercom dot com slash podcast that's intercom dot com slash podcast we can look for reset basically everywhere you can get it by subscribing on Apple podcasts stitcher or wherever you get your podcasts didn't leave us alone leave us alone you didn't leave a slow news loan L. Miller's here hello Jillian Alexander's here hey sure you're gonNA talk to this yeah I want to start with that song made by our friend Jackson Hayes this K- and five G. we'll see how that was hard to he didn't leave trump called the eighth wonder of the World Says Twenty Million Square feet they're going to build huge LCD panels that were down to one million square feet I will tell you her with my friend Ariel Tomasz former verge science reporter true former vice news tonight reporter true but she's back the vox media is that we use to monitor and detect wildfires to thing I've noticed is that technology and power in particular seem to be making news faster than Arctic Tours Take Intercom Customer Unity in just twelve months they converted forty five percent more visitors through Intercom Messenger make room for new everybody I am here cast network with a new show called reset what is reset it seems very exciting reset is a tech podcast that's going to come out on yes tack leaves low you didn't leave a slow leaves loan he's straight up tech like a and how it's being used to grade essays for standardized tests for students and we're also going to be looking at things a little bit quirkier like the technology over yeah and you're going to be pretty on the show pretty often keep up with that cycle yeah it's going to be three times weekly so it's going to be on Tuesdays Thursdays and Sundays all right perfect soon leave us a low didn't leave us alone leave us alone you didn't listen to me but that's okay because we're going to tell you what you already knew for months science technology in power and how they all mixed to to sort of give us her current reality so we're all kinds of things are gonNA cover a whole bunch of things Things that are very and I met new generation mobility and self driving cars ways that story run Germany okay yet to be determined what will actually built there but while they were doing this while Fox was under all this criticism during the run-up to the last election when Scott Walker the Republican governor Johnson obviously running for reelection on back of making the Steel Fox on started buying buildings in Wisconsin and saying they were going to be innovation centers in so we if you've been following this you know that we wait medical solutions the crops that supposed to mean on some health cloud network A. K. he didn't a j means Mar Safety and security through AKA technology. I mean come on Neil I should know this five G. Means Pie neary that LCD we've talked to are like we've looked at these plans and there's a yoga center but we don't see where you'd build the foundations for the LCD Fabrication Ed Connor over Song Fox on you might know that we've been covering Fox on a lot just a lot the building factory in my hometown of Mount Pleasant Wisconsin the factory He's at Jackson H visuals on twitter. It's like a budding youtuber you should go follow him bring the shells and audio and audio double threat to explain why North we started with are you excited I'm super excited the world needs more type I guess I would say yeah reset is going to be a tech news podcast that's going to explore offices just concrete empty spaces and we publish them photos and we went along story lots of interviews of people saying they bought the buildings nothing's happening so we're Fox has empty Alex Wisconsin like two days later Fox on health event where they bought another building in Madison on young who's sort of Fox on executive said the buildings or not empty we'll be issuing a statement correction about about the buildings or empty in the meantime we encourage you to not climb trees investigate what we're doing riches wrong in two cases one morning okay well yesterday Wisconsin Public Radio in Wisconsin State Journal both on the same day filed reports saying innovation centers have been put on hold and Fox on from building seventy five inch TV panels potentially at a generation ten facility to promising a generation six LCD sent Josh Jessica are reported to Wisconsin he drove around all the innovation centers around the state he like looked in the windows. These are literally empty buildings like not the buildings are gonNA stay empty forever because they have no idea what they're doing in Wisconsin like literally none they went from thirteen thousand jobs to maybe fifteen hundred jobs they went is actually yet done any work regarding the buildings and I'm just going to say I don't think that they're ever going to issue a statement aggression about empty buildings because run into Josh ever climbed a tree just putting that out there that was he just looked in the window neela how many how many days ago is that that was one hundred and ninety five days ago as of this spots I'm not kidding coffee robots airports and also alarm system controls like old school chunky wall panel alarm Cisco System controls for company called Qantas Fab that is not actually in the plans of the factory that they have submitted there is a yoga center though and they're building another factory next to it that's going to build coffee photographs of the buildings that were empty very technically there was a saw horse and one of the buildings and there was and there was like a Dell rugged laptop in one saying work on this is they filed plans to build a data center and a network operations center the Network Operation Center in the shape of a giant yet right in the meantime and angry Foxconn employees repeatedly tells me screaming at me to leave them alone because everything will be fine glass dome they filed this on the same day they canceled those plans because this is what Fox hunt does that was hilarious and then a little bit later they refiled the plans and so we need to make some changes the data center the giant Glass Dome will also house an auditorium. I don't know what they're doing they're man you actually haven't explained the Jackson Song and trying to explain what the AK Five G. Ecosystem is which we've discussed at length on the show before another promise Fox hunt has made that good people Wisconsin that I largely suspect no statement or crushing will ever be forthcoming regarding a and eight ks how you win the race to five G. The buildings Oh highways so I ninety four is getting bigger than all the service roads around the Foxconn area are getting bigger Wisconsin Government City County state which I've never heard of but they definitely steal your personal information sell to the Chinese government which one is the Glass Dome attached to yes and they're also building a giant glass dome that this is this is all true also bought a lot of people's houses and move their houses like like eminent domain bought their houses and tore their houses down and now those people are like troll although they must be doing something lies there traffic if nothing's happening because then the Wisconsin say government is in service of this project is winding down you think you're paying us but there's no factory here like why did we do that here's my favorite move that they're doing to hit their job number making genetics LCD yeah well if they produce in program or no through help they're going to hire college students and then pay them to go to college so they foxconn employees were just in have been empty for one hundred and ninety six days I believe the buildings will stay empty forever it's just I don't know what they're doing they're man I do know that the traffic land parents house getting adequate into their their number but it's unclear what else will happen because there's there's there's no fat factory but you can learn okay felt all right thank you Jackson College when you graduate something something else you're gonna you're gonNA earn while you learn in the program got in that so that will get them that I just want to unpack people are already so mad about this phone I'm just trying to come out of this alive yeah good yeah the battery life is is atrocious and atrocious his heart the better than the small one is really bad the battery life on the bigger one she my favorite so they got hit the number to get the tax credits even the state's already pay them out and even though they're in a tax zone where those credits are actually just cash because they senate has like more thrills but it's rickety and the thing shakes what you write on it so one of those is objectively a better roller coaster because you do the loops okay we've got the better for android phones even one like five inch LCD panel at this thing it will be like a victory at this point like the they've the bar is very low the thing that they're doing now this is they don't they don't pay taxes okay so to get four billion dollars in tax subsidies you got it right you got to actually catch Dave started a program called the Fox hunt earned wish that Google had just done that but beyond that I'm not mad about the ram I'm not mad about the there's a whole a whole to do about the screen top of the best android phone list I specifically said it was the best android experience not necessarily the best android phone and I was talking to Dan about this you're my hero thank you for participating in our ongoing Fox uncovered now day one hundred ninety seven of the building buildings empty theater it's Pixel Review Week it is it's like imagine you're you you've gone to a theme park and like there's two roller coasters and one of them you enjoy more like you have more fun going Bob the android ten makes way more sense here I know what the gestures do now and I get them the the camera is one acts like one single camera instead of a bunch of different lenses format this phone for not being I don't know the second coming for not having a wide angle like Google did a bunch of stuff that wasn't great like they did a bunch of stuff that does not put this thing at the still feel like I reviewed it a thousand years ago did you did you earn while you learned pay us for the reviews do not start you will get more camera lenses you'll get pop up lenses you will get idaho other brighter screens Blah I always harp on this a periscope inside of your connote ten or a one plus seven pro or even a one plus seventy you're going to get better specs in some ways it may load web pages faster it just I mean Tom Warren wrote this article it feels more like an iphone yeah they google tried to think through the entire experience top to bottom and they did a much better I'm just going to reveal something about there'd be starting to reprocess getting outlining and you said something to me the the one that's like less crazy the tilt a whirl or whatever right did that ride that that's a favorite ride you enjoy more it's a nicer overall cohesive experience and almost like disqualifying miss for the little one like it just doesn't get as good battery life is other phones and at this point now we phone makers are actually ah I believe I referred to the Youtube video down vote minefield yes because here's why it's a minefield I like the phone again you went for it you did it please I mean I'm trying not to be a dummy or or a downloading hater but what's that is acceptable but not really acceptable by twenty nineteen standards that we learned that you can make a phone slightly thicker and have the battery last day which is something apple did it it all knocked the phone with your eyes closed right and so that means they shipped it in the state that is is broken so help me I think I know where I land on this and that Instituto world yeah sure okay you like it better but there is the the crazy loop de loop roller coaster that has a huge drop and like minute for me phone with great with the Pixel what you get is a phone that is just overall feels more cohesive and just nicer to you the screener frustrating when it's on is great the face unlock by the way that is the main thing face unlock is better than fingerprint sensor I know launch a bunch of people wish that there had been there are millions of people all over the world whose phones are getting grabbed and then pointed at their face and they're like trying to duck and dodge around it closer is to make sure that the face unlock doesn't doesn't get ticked off well mostly with you but I have seen some people be like actually chill out like really this isn't that scary like the threat model of someone pointing the thing at your face with your eyes only but let's start with facing luck of the two things about this phone that were the obvious Mrs one is a battery life which is they put in the wrong part you know what I mean like you know how to fix it they picked the wrong part they optimized face unlock is like a way bigger miss because they shipped it without I mean they are there have been all like dozens and dozens of lawsuits that have kicked all the way up to the appeals court level about whether the police can compel you to turn over it should be the default in even in that model the bigger one is like the police really like a mocking phones right and so he gets to the point percents and they think they like a fingerprint sensor better and I am not here to tell them that the wrong because I wouldn't do that you should own your own technology preferences on this phone so that's like small small in the sense that like it's it's a it's a personal interaction that you either care about you don't I think you should care about it being better life which makes me happy Google is not competitive so that's a big miss but that's like a technical miss like well it's more than technical mess I do think that you can but the Tilton better experience because it's not ricky dean or not afraid you're going to die I'm going I I'm gonNA accept this I curious about your experience at carnivals unlike freaks out for you so if you are I don't know pulled over if you are coming through customs and they can take by hand and lock it then that's a big problem Bertrand's review program and said dear you're literally the only person that understands or cares extinction between best antidote experience android phone I said I know but I'm sticking with AH I'll do the small stakes one and then the big the big one okay the small Sake Swan is like lots of people have like partners in roommates who would like to however the face I d things much better so much better than a fingerprint sensor it just is let's start the I wanna go into why Samsung well aid do their thing Dr Sun's right that's and that's either a little bit funny or not funny at all yeah my wife domestic violence attorney late that was like a thing right and refresh rate which is the whole thing and was real dumb and I'm not super pleased about the facebook trauma I think of all the gates are bad people were mad at him for the new but the gates ultimately have you know for certain that you know a cop put your finger on the screen or the hop opens hold your eyes open or something you know through day if you don't over use it but if you're buying the little one and you expect to like have a phone that you just like have on all the time and are using like you're you're in for her Don't don't do that I just like the long password that is your you know your bitcoin basically and so it's all about different methods of cybersecurity and the mantra is that biometric rex should not be passwords you shouldn't something that's based on your or your fingerprint or the way you look is not something that you can cbs so that of all the gates that wanted to me is the most important one in like I wouldn't recommend this phone until ship that update interesting but I mean that's like a maybe it was released like a lot of eight digits zero the Gif of Kinda going legs really GonNa fix this I didn't see how big a problem it was I I think that that's the Miss Right like we respect the battery is like a it's a dumb mess but it's not like a absolutely consent to it being accessed then you shouldn't be using biometrics to secure it's it's really it's a convenience it's not it's not a password yeah passcode Yup right the iphone if you press the right sequence of buttons and the right combination like it will turn off in you enter passcode to get you back to st right and so like like I said there's like the small-scale one which is more interpersonal does have some high stakes inside of it but then the big one which is the government has a distinct interest in unlocking phone has it all and it's weird they didn't overextend the hardware and they obviously emphasized the software Polish or is it no it's not weird at all I think that Google doesn't I don't know you didn't think it through miss the face unlock one is you architect it a feature and you didn't you didn't even look at the documentation of your competitor's feature and how we detection head of setting the screen stay on when you're looking at it what are they doing do they just want to be faster like do they screw it up because that made it slightly faster and they didn't think anything live a life and I like the without cops I know well the the other thing I've been noticing this bitcoin community because it's all about securing the the two -cially that's where they live now the question is what's going to happen next year because next year we are expecting a radical iphone just waits until you're not paying attention like if you're trying to secure something that is very valuable to you that you you do not want accessible unless you you can do that on the pixel to you if you long personal home there's a lockdown but that you can tap so it's not like the the grip of security but it is like tap tap the iphones really squeeze away they don't control the software that Google does right and so they are obviously competing hardware like they're they're doing when you squeeze the balloon that's where they go in the we've heard a particularly fell mock biometrics is this actually gets people to lock their phones so people are using nothing and so this is a huge step up from they what what high and hardware do they make they make the Pixel book from a couple years ago and everything else is still kind of mid range right yeah what's what's their premier holy crap this is the nicest thing ever hardware so google home Max eat I guess I'm just shutting out there that's it I think yeah vision we're expecting more five G. phones possibly from apple possibly from Google and this will be next will be the year where regardless of the head of hardware and Google has made that challenge easier for them to overcome so I think that's just a problem the problem is google didn't see it like it shipped with like little caveats down in the corner her and you know like if you read the fine print you saw it and then people started wearing woulda and it took google a few days be like oh wait we should tell everybody we're going to issue a software update we are GONNA F- assuming they fixed the face I D I I enjoy using this phone more than I enjoy using a note and it's not just that I prefer the slightly cleaner I think it's like really interesting to listen to people talk about privacy because like objectively privacy is important but also up until very recently my password on my phone with zero zero for something new intercom intercom is the only business messenger that starts with real time chat then keeps growing your business with conversational bots and guided are people chase each other around parks comedy skits about-face ID and like Google didn't watch them in so like that to me is a much bigger miss you WanNa know something funny Pixel four does have attention I don't see them making the super bowl commercial with the you know the darkness sounded like that's what sold the galaxy phones that's why galaxy phones like they just they just that's right like out in the world like it has a great camera it's an android phone it's a little bit cheaper than the flagship android funds it's a pretty good sell it works like an iphone still can try to market the hell out of this thing but I I don't know I just every time we ask about it we're like are you are you going to do it already had this conversation on Apple's information yet like we went through it a lot about attention detection and is open and there are memes yeah right there like tic TOC soccer on the ads and we're already at will next year let's not well I mean it's not the the phone is very good other than the battery life and closed where you're like Oh my eyes closed high you can unlock it that you get with like a an iphone is that really that big of a difference yes you think so you think that they're is directly managing phone hardware Google are you already next year his phone came out like last week everyone's already at next year with the iphone there already that's your for FM they're selling more funds eleven than anybody anticipated yeah you can't already be next the phone has already been discounted one hundred dollars twice it's been out and a Half Days Lancashire the universe with advertising and really expensive high end advertising and I just don't think Google hesitant to do that and given the reception of this phone I think it would actually probably be like it works like an iphone eight that's not subtle it has you can walk in your face and you can swipe around like an iphone is not part is not subtle Google could make the sale ah apple actually refers to the Khania Code Sablan quotas gonyea events or briefings and you're like what's the code Google experience it's like the whole thing feels more cohesive than a note does or a Galaxy S. ten or even a one plus one plus a little bit closer so they stake reception of this phone with like true nerds are people you pull on your car feel great you're one of us you hate songs by Fox hunt for us now it's no longer that people who try to steal my phone it's all ones back that's the part I wanted to get to you is like Samsung and like your curtain-raiser was it's it's more than the camera we haven't even talk to the camera but it's more than the camera and this is the year that it would and we talked to rick and he's like when all carriers are gonNA microphone wants on their phones you want a slightly custom galaxy S. ten Samsung's like we already actually made that for you bixby actually predicted your specific needs I just think I don't know actually you've said this several times like Samsung cell phones was advertisers the phones Sam also just let any carrier do whatever let it be windows horrible so I think the fact that Google feels like it has to make a Polish complete thing that is an expression of Google which basically the Pixel is good phone operating system unless you have a phone like you need to be able to test it on real hardware that's forward looking I will say like I as a pixel three user makes Google have to try and if Google just like relaxes and injured is a dominant player in the ecosystem it's the most popular operating system in the world like we're just GONNA so they will do that Google I think will not do that I think that's the thing that's going to keep them out of carrier marketing deals that's the thing that's going to keep the sales people in level of the Samsung phone and there's literally no inbetween choice and I think what Google Pixel camera pushed everybody else way so that we google keeps on making them so that they keep you know skin in the game of android being good and not just something that shovel to random companies which is going to be unsurprising to everyone which is I think the world needs more than two dominant filmmakers and Google can pay for it Google can wait out to get just because it it guarantees that every other vendor has to try hard it sets a high watermark uncertain and certain metrics but to point it also they've definitely improved my phone sadly my one major problem remaining is the battery life I have a slightly different question I mean it's to me it's the most important thing about the pixel is the thing that was important about the next line which is Google needs to be good at making android and make android good on phones and you can't make way fast before yeah nobody would nobody would've gotten there without without the Pixel camera completely agree so I think that part of the answer is I want this thing to succeed are your stores from earning commissions Google phones like there's a whole dirty world of stuff that Samsung is very very good at yet in that puts them at the top and part of it is just like straight bribes to sell the phones and part of it is marketing and part of it's like really glossy marketing I don't know if Google is ready for that they certainly know about it like Rick Australis now the you don't actually need to sell these things so what are you making it for cascade bit of a question like what does it matter to us that these are successful as android Tana's because he was in Beta for very long time so I feel like I was slow it was slowly being revealed to me and I was being experimented on with all these gestures but now it's really landed the game I think it is it is pretty bad if everyone's choices are clean apple experience that is very locked down and controlled or just the chaos I mean it's more helpful in the sense that the Google assistant is but one button away but like so Siri in a unless you are again listening to this show and you know that the one of my favorite features is the dual exposure sliders so there's one that's for brightness overall brightness and then there's one just specifically for shadow injured that world yeah because the question is whether he wants to do it I imagine they wanna see if they can get away with not doing it I also just want to point out I mean it's earning season and like the I'm Ogle won't breakout hardware and how much it hardware that's fine Gulu won't tell how how much money they make on youtube even if even if they don't go all out that doesn't necessarily the camera what do you think I'm surprised that it how much it's just sort of the iterative update to the camera now the thing is shocking to me like Samsung I don't get it at all I love that they know that they have a look in that camera and they hit that look and I personally really really like that look they actually turned it down this year listen I I think I can see it what's weird is it the look is GonNa come to the other cameras in the range so like the Pixel three is going to start is better than the iphone but is it gives you more controls at like it treat you with respect that you're not a total dummy right like I I appreciate that I mean it's a failure you know when we ask them what's your measure of success we always get the like oh it's customer satisfaction and like it's like fuck you bullshit but yeah okay but on the other hand precise outer limits of Syria compared to the precise outer limits of the assistant I don't know the phones more helpful Google Google's way better than Syria I don't know I just don't a better sensor it's a way less noisy sensor they're doing way less noise reduction slightly faster telephoto Lens that can go to higher shutter speeds cool I their their their camera is a camera in terms of like the APP in the photos of like that experience of I'm GonNa make a photo and then here's a photo it's the processor that actually does other work so you would think that Samsung can do all the work on processor Google could do all the work on the processor and it it just they own youtube they are on the he's the same age fifty five Marco Voy told us or not they're using the processor to do their imaging staff not the not the pixel visual core whatever custom silicon they're doing like to set a timer into like turn on a light okay I've said a lot about the camera I mean everybody knows what I said it's still bad video but neil you And then maybe the computational stuff will be the big upgrade right now it's just marched yards doing the same stuff who's doing before I think they solve that problem with the censor Google is using in diffusion still isn't that so I can't even be totally definitive I think apple solved often problems with raw horsepower right they just put in a google does more math and so they can get sharper photos in those situations because they just take more and shorter frames and so bright light the iphone eleven and can be sharper because it's just it's just better lens basically right it's it's a better system there and so they can do that work directly and not have to copy a Samsung and hallway they they will give you you know control settings for days that are either right there and the main camera app or just like a half a swipe away if you like blink added rose and then you're gonna live preview of it that's what the the neural core does apparently and that being able to like get the blacks exactly where you want them actually is great yeah I mean I think that's what to look like the Pixel for which is rarely interesting to think about as a camera like when you buy it an icon you don't expect that a software update we'll just change the way the camera looks apple just brute force it and they do longer exposures and they don't do as much math they have more blur in the light because longer exposures create more blur the end of the the thing that illustrates this difference is the photos are less sharp except in low light with moving objects or if your hands moving in those cases because I can't all those controls don't get you to a photo that's as good as the iphone the thing that I think that I've landed on with after all of this okay so I went back and looked like one of the things I feel most valued about like having reviewed phones for years is I said the tennis camera wasn't great and everyone yelled at me after a while but it's GonNa happen here because it's computational photography and that sort of stuff can happen just so it's clear like the look is coming but most of the features aren't a lot of the features aren't so that before and they were doing all the same math and then they were they had to do noise reduction and it just destroy it was destroying their pictures when you say they you're referring to apple built cool radar in put it in a phone could've spent more money on a camera or a bigger battery yeah we haven't even talked got solely which yeah no one seems to care about the phone slightly nicer in ways that that I preview said you'll live portrait mode they've already done a lot of hr and just take a picture not worry about it like Yep vastly different philosophies here but here again Google's in the middle because it's actually pretty good right and it sits next to the iphone whether or not anyone's going to buy this phone is more helpful than the iphone psycho screaming like shirt what apple is like really done with the video stuff right like the world communicates in video in like there you go it's better video camera and I I agree we'll just miss you will never notice and the the gesture thing you might use every now and then maybe to like change songs but that's not a real feature have you gotten any false positive accidental refresh rate down in situations that wouldn't wouldn't have thought of like when the screen brightness is low or when the more more more accurately I think is when ambient light is low everything could everything could be different or not hard to see you really looms over us like making sweaters in the night I want people to think of cameras for people like me okay so it has a high refresh rate screen but it dynamically ratchets it down to save battery life depending on what's happening and the thing that we didn't realize is it ratchets at had a bunch of youtubers at the thing and all the four K. thirty like they just looked to openly confused that's just a bizarre miss to me is that one are we going to continue our you photos forever we are are we having alive verge cast next week in San Francisco with Isaac Reynolds the product manager of the Google Pixel camera and Robbie ask Google Google says we've already been working on this we're going to put out another software update in the coming weeks instead of the coming months that will allow ninety hurts stay in go back and look at like the reddit threads and apple support forums and there's like dozens and dozens of messages are like why am I for my noisy why is this noise reduction destroying the photo since again to do a rapid video really quickly to get some mean potential on tick tock which means I needed to be stabilized I need to zoom in really quickly I needed to look descend from screen kept changing we couldn't figure out why because we didn't want banding you know you get that on a straight this is a thing where I don't have a hard time getting super mad about it the product the head of product for instagram together onstage to talk about how the platform affects the camera and the camouflage we are doing that next week Cisco the Glasser already sold out ah yeah that's like a big argument right do you want to clutter up the viewfinder with a bunch of controls or do you just want to look at a preview of what you're GonNa get an apples way better at providing it's dark out they just figure I don't know you won't notice the screener frustrate I don't know I actually don't understand this at all I don't understand this decisional it's very confusing but you can see it so everyone's think it through all the way the promise of this phone is that they've thought through the hardware and software together in perfect synchronicity yeah they did like it feels more so than like that's a seven I think and I like this is an eight other way around if the concern is battery life that when the screen is really bright they're like it's blinding you so persistence of vision will make an appearance that's that's the thing so sensors just less noisy I don't know if the math is different but it is coming in that might change how they do it are situations I don't know it does explain why it took so long for us to shoot bureau for the video review done like having to adjust camera settings it's just a sharper camera and then they're doing all whatever smart h. e. r. stuff they're doing and then you know sweater modal hit whenever it hits the next few weeks it's already talk this up to like Google being keystone cops not Google being like conspiratory conspiracy theory zone like they're not there's just it's just like they didn't think it is annoying I wish that it were just a little bit clear when you're at ninety and when you're not because you know it just would be nice to know what you're getting but I up and it was on the other side of the phone while talking the last gate hurts hurts gate the gate the hertzog aided they told us an off the shelf censor the photos are just less sharp there in many cases more aesthetically pleasing out of the box and you can get there but yup here's what I don't understand about that specific problem bright screen battery higher refresh rates a battery shouldn't it be exactly the all songs skips because you are gesturing during a conversation while also listening to music I have gotten a couple of hours reaching for a coffee is an irs like notifications are still a thousand times better than it is an I o s Samsung says like an always on constrain control it's like what refresh rate would you like talk to bixby computer whereas Google does have to compute so you can see it in the detail and bright light yeah I totally agree with that I think they were getting mm-hmm is a little chaotic that actually at this moment in time is just par for the course of our industry it's not even worth noting apple put out the iphone eleven and then they're like for hardware the reason that fall is so crazy because they need everything ready for holiday season but what if we break the the bounds of our calendar Dan you got ISO controls right yeah so google does in fact fall a little bit in the middle but San San we'll give you control something pretty slick arguably I was thirteen one is coming and they released like fifteen updates along the way to thirteen point one and they're gonNA release the actual software feature of the camera is still in Beta and is not yet all right we'll come back and curse jeff as a little more in a second this is now if you drop below seventy five percent then the refresh rate goes down and so I did that and didn't I was confused and then I covered the ambient light sensor strapped onto sixty immediately oh that's odd today the US is leading the world and producing natural gas and oil while reducing emissions at the same time in some cases production grew by triple digits Yup Samsung released a phone whose fingerprint sensor could be thwarted by any fingerprint and they promise the software update for it so that we're just at a point where the real world experiences so issues can be caught before they had all of this helps make the industry safer and more sustainable learn more aspect but like the they delay law and it's just because now it's become so common just to Polish so we're taking another four months it sucks but it's like yeah or like here's a question what is technology how you're listening to me right now on your phone console cycles like this phone for ten years yeah yeah but so with video games they know that their fans are just going to buy them whatever comes out but with phones they need to have it and Korea's active we definitely want the other thing the spattering reactive but the they want they want they know if you've crank the screen brightness up that you're what I'm thinking okay get out of here speaker a laptop that's tech but tech is also the way we develop new medicines it's our connection to friends and strangers yes got to say calendar has been imposed upon us it is a system that's thousands of years old it doesn't even make any sense Google attract that well by the way I wanna I wanna say this about the software because we mentioned twice Google has some problem they promised us some updates cameras or smart sensors to gather data even in the most remote locations data scientists can then use the data to make predictive models or simulate commissions fell by forty to seventy percent so why is that innovative industry driven technology take inspections what ties contact imagine you're inspecting an oil pipeline the terrain is rugged roads or non-existent in the pipe goes on for miles invest so we're going to ratchet down save the brightness but at the screen is really bright they can probably assume that you're looking at it or as you read to the screen brightness down like they don't care how this song like it's a low bar you're comparing it to right but there's a there's another high bar at the bar and they they don't quite hit that bar except that android is like better at so many things it's a difficult job but thanks technology it's now safer cleaner and easier your world world explained my head which was I wonder if at some point these is going to be able to write my novel ideas better than how algorithms augment flaws in crucial part of managing the supply chain with new technology workers can inspect underground pipes at nearly microscopic levels teams can use drones equipped with imaging Oh you made another surface you updated the processor and you put Usb on it finally thanks but what they didn't do was update the industrial design reduced the screen Basil's or do any every story is a story and we're going to break that down subscribe right now on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast APP from stitcher and the vox media because none of us are immune to those changes and we need to understand their impact right now that's why posting in new tech podcast called re about how the natural gas and oil industry is working towards responsibly developing the nation's resources at power past impossible dot org for people we'll talk to the bio hackers who are challenging regulators and scientific standards so would I sell crisper that somebody could looks they're trying to save battery life there they've ratcheted screeners down I'm not defending this I'm just I'm trying to figure out what the goal is to save battery life why would you be like you know when the when the one thing that needs and it's changing every day I'm Jim Ross and when I see those changes I see worlds I can't wait to dive into and question reviewed the surface laptop three fifteen inch specifically fifty inch with Dan reviewed yes through the surface pro seven is yep yet get from recode by Fox will examine how artificial intelligence is changing the way we write I had a bizarre thought Enter Act Bruno's and we'll look at the tools we have to save our rapid warming world Oh yeah I think an enterprise companies please continue to buy this thing it's it's it continues to be like the default to in one and it has gone from like pretty inspiring to like pretty podcast network or some other reviews this week of note yeah service press seven which drones I think you need fixed-wing detection inky satellite radar the public everybody it's we're all in this together you know the surface surface surface laptop three fifteen inch is it's just a big surface laptop exist if you ask somebody all right there's an expensive fifteen inch laptop what is it four they'd be like oh it's for like pro users and it's for people that want to edit video and zones are definitely coming out way ahead of their suffering finish what took a year off that'd be great yeah we can't they do with gaming those like gaming I mean not the crunchy what if we what if we just start buying everything late summer sure Amazon Prime Day right midsummer that's we expected and starting to feel a little bit Dowdy Tom said that he wished that it looked like a surface pro x which is the fancy arm one with all the fancy stuff and he's not wrong to me was fifteen inch windows laptops cell really well because people just want big screens and so they just there's always a a giant pile at best buy of kind of crappy thinking over and over again we're seeing these algorithms display by new amplifiers can have very serious real world consequence laptops that run windows but they have fifteen inch screens and so people buy them I've seen these laptops in the homes of friends and family her rather friends and their parents are friends if you want to surface laptop that has all the Nice Microsoft things and the option to have Qatar fabric and you know you can trust it and there's not extra crap there's just like a little bit of crapper under remarked product category across everything that we cover like you want to seven hundred dollars seventy five inch TV did effectively cannot produce right. I mean we've talked about I think we've talked about this a lot lately it's kind of a new thing that we've noticed but like the big cheap screen is an because Microsoft still screwing that up You just want a fifteen inch screen you go get that and so it's fascinating to me is for a long time the conventional wisdom I want to keep talking about the service for seven for the next half hour later the Pixel we can but there's literally nothing else to say about it they didn't change screen resolution than chains they just it's another surface pro seven originating in the waiting list and it's one person jobs out I think in this conversation part of why this phone is so controversial is crystallized my mind let me express it to you google anything else they just they just kept on put it out there like the surface pro seven is very much like well the factory stopped making the old one now we're making the new one yeah but I want a better camera to get that Tick Tock Cloud yes we should FIFA eleven okay this is very easy I think aim for the nicer thing in fact by the time is out I will have published the review of the pixelbook go which is a slightly nicer chromebook that is one hundred bucks more than like the rafter a sixteen by nine screen that's the thing that kills me it's very it's very infuriating people must not care I don't know a bunch of the other five hundred dollars chromebooks that you can buy and it's just like a nicer object but otherwise it's the same thing you're just paying a little bit more for it to not have a micro SD card expansion slot because but I fono eleven that's a big screen it's a little low resolution here we go it's cheaper than last year like it's a big screen and that's what people want and I think this is lack will only produce gray yep we actually the walls upon walls of them at your local store because people just want that thing and like fifteen inch slapped you wanted surface pro seven podcasts challenge go you said what you see on it let's talk specifically use not now there are four email APP center phone one only uses your one only uses the email app that at and t. wrote the just read email to all at and T. employees as you send it Asian of that the surface laptop version of that is what we just made that but nice and then people who want to spend the extra money to get the Nice version of that we'll be able to buy it yeah that's why I think it exists Yep just a little nicer of a big cheap screen on a bad place for Microsoft to play well this is the theme with Google stuff to like people are very unhappy with the Pixel four pricing but like you're just family they'll have they'll have hilariously restaurants everything's big on them yes fifteen inch ten twenty four by seven sixty eight let's go yeah so I think the V the surface for folks in the space are are sixteen by nine there's a factory that makes chromebooks and like GM there's like one factor cars and the Pontiac and Chevy so you can get light at Nj three okay but the fifteen inch service laptop threes actually interesting just in the fact that it exists because it doesn't seem like it needs missile book I don't know I don't think so because it doesn't have the micro sti or the USPA and all the other pixelbook do or all the other crooks excuse me anyway the the point is customize a little bit that's what chromebooks all right now is that factory interesting Wisco- actually make sixty nine streaming sounds like I know where that factory is located deaf actually make this unless you can actually if they're made of glue you can't sell them to a fleet that needs to repair them I think I think there's another pressure beyond just we all like Kyle and fix it and we think that he is good yep the apple. TV APP is now out it's out on Roku Amazon fire stuff is in is offering a bundle of Disney plus which is an nightmare a price level or just like head to head competitive level are worse in some ways but they're nicer objects and they have the logo on them I matt like the army of like various aunties who have horrible fifteen inch windows computers in the problems they have with those computers make noise the company you trust and so they just charge a little bit more yeah that's fair yeah I feel like a nice but relatively cheap fifteen inch is actually the twenty nine hundred everyone changed their components all the time on laptops five to ten years ago but now you're supposed to have a technician do it come on any little motherboard in the center just just throw it away see what happens when you let it on fire that'll be a good youtube video one last surface laptop thing to bring up I fix it tore down the surface laptop three the thirteen inch and I've told the truth they did make it way easier repair they haven't taken it as far as they should sort of five and they still say that you should break it really is under no I wanted you on specifically because we're in the lull the com- Before the sense to me like I got the call one day and it was like I picked up my keep my picked up my computer keyboard fell out and I was like I don't only allow a technician to replace the St which did we all become like static monsters yes the past five years data there's something I need to tell you about villars storm so exciting apple TV pluses coming out yet Disney pluses coming out yeah these CEO's are at conferences talking they're calling it and I wouldn't I tunes and there's a bunch of ads for the Apple TV plus which is exciting Basically just please grab this this is apple's attempt to erase its past right this is apple the whole thing away like I don't know man I can troubleshoot that for you like yeah it's it's basically a hollow plastic shell with at this point Martin Scorsese gives a shit about your basically said the party's for the shows are happening very rare thing right now I think Microsoft saw that sort of market whole Y- There's like there's the four hundred dollars fifteen inch and then there's the fifteen hundred not like icy surface pro and it's like in enterprise applications like all the time they're just like floating around yeah I think they wanna get those laptops in the same spaces and you cannot do it it's about the future of computer that's true I just don't think that was like enough pressure to make Microsoft the laptop there all right Julia anyway good on Microsoft for improving ability further to go we're talking about I really think it's because they sell so many to enterprise they don't have a Microsoft well if you do you feel free to Chime in Microsoft Word is though really closer to two thousand dollar pro fifteen inch but this is a whole I think and I'm really I'm glad that they went for it yeah I have like I think most people have that's what it's all happy with what's going on yeah I mean it's exciting so apple TV plus is gearing up to launch actually if you go into it tunes because I did that because it's two thousand nineteen being like remember when we did planet of the apps no you don't because we don't want you to remember it Gwyneth Paltrow doesn't remember it so it's fine remember we did Carpool Karaoke memory hold being in spiderman she's she remember this is the power being Gwyneth paltrow though it's an interesting time because apple is coming out first and this kind of six month launch window we have routes five or six services and in many ways this feels like the beginning of apple wanting to fellow Jeff Bezos and create a prime P and all right this is what we're expecting apple TV plus will be to apple what Amazon prime video is to Amazon eventually be trapped in the apple ecosystem and then you won't get out of it Zik and Apple News and Apple Arcade and we'll never hear anything about China and you'll buy cloud storage and you'll just be in this in this and so there I mean because eventually we'll get the inside people who aren't you Li- like eventually you're going to have apple world and so that's kind of like the exciting thing for apple there they've got a lot of money more money than anyone else in the space they can just give a shit ton of money to people they gave reese witherspoon and Jennifer Aniston a million dollars an episode. I show that's not out yet and given two hundred fifty million dollars to make a version of the newsroom which is insane it's called the mornings what every investors looking at because they have the potential to not necessarily destroy Netflix like no one is going to destroy net flicks but is essential to grow up to one hundred twenty million subscribers and so but with me to kind of hinge on it and so yeah I mean they're launching it's kind of exciting Disney is the big one in terms of disrupting Disney's the one that out or whatever but we're GONNA come out the other side like most flights do is and like five years they have potential to be very disruptive and change the theatrical going experience for a Lotta people change how money is flowing between consumers when they go to theaters or whether that's a lot yeah he's been around for a long time he's been out he's seen he's been around Hollywood during the good days so all this is happening yep this week yeah that's a big that's the show the show it's like they're all effort is run the morning show. Yeah it's based on kind of based Brian Stelter at CNN his book about the morning show are buying scoring two different things so it's like a weird time and but an exciting time Armscor says he said it's probably the most exciting time in Hollywood since he's been in it basically how retracing which is true I mean they've got a huge start on things in countries like India and South America which is a huge market that's untapped so is trying to compete essentially and what they're trying to compete with more than anything else is not Disney they're trying to compete budget wise with Amazon apple and that's too it's two different things and money on video and it doesn't matter to them it's like hey if you're here we have this thing for you all Netflix has its subscribers that is it and so they can only say they're going to be totally fine but they are also seeing on two billion dollars in debts upbringing developed about fourteen billion dollars they've never been profitable they're just could you imagine sorry guys I'm moving on which read would probably have a very funny common reed hastings came out and said like for the first time looks like had an earnings call yeah and they they don't think so so the thing is amazing everyday things like calling it take we have competition we know that we are basically telling our investors to prepare for a little bit of of of turbulence like pilots tell you when you fly through against the one thing they have going for them is that apple wants family friendly television and Net flicks is basically like we don't care we'll take anything and we'll produce anything and so the give Amazon and apple as a service industry so they thought hardware hardware that they make a lot of money on Amazon's got a huge retailer a lot of money on they can just spend have that create relationship but critters they have that going film they newly produced hits but give apple a few years I mean apple is working with Oprah and do too much right now in my opinion they're trying to do movies like by theaters and figure out exactly who they are and so what we're seeing happen is them trying to figure out so for net flicks they're kind of stuck in this boat where they're like Oh we have a lot of shows that we can continue renewing but we're burning burning content budget really fast we're trying wars movies I want to do nine thousand things I wanna make another star Trek I don't WanNa work with just apple I will work with you on something but I want to do that and so he turned that down apple's trying to buy exclusivity right so they offer jj reportedly offered j.j Abrams five hundred million dollars to just work with them specifically and JJ is a guy who's like I want to make more awesome we can continue to do a company like apple can go get a weekend and so we'll just do it and so that's that Netflix has to kind of figure out how they're going to compete this library so Seinfeld yeah right like Netflix buys older shows like famously friends is gets battered around for millions of dollars the they're buying Seinfeld because reportedly took a two hundred and fifty million dollar deal with Werner Media at and T. to do stuff with them because he's been with HBO for so long which made a lot of sense but that's the type of thing apple's doing they're coming out and going we will give you money we want to work exclusively with us the they've renewed all their shows none of them have premiered yet one is heard about and they're like it doesn't matter like we have the money we'll just we'll just do it Disney's doing the same thing Disney's already going out there and be like that's over new it it just makes sense we need content and Vuk Tim Kirkby swear thing is they have deals now everything is going to change in the coming years which is why it's really exciting but apple is point apple stopped in terms of streaming so they have to figure out how they're going to bring this over to their streaming service which means it's GonNa take about a year before you really start seeing things appear on the service but that said the photo is Tim Cook and Robert Deniro Barack Obama were at dinner together New York Dave Netflix deal now I would have just what I would have. Netflix should just put that on losing friends to eighteen which is just a nightmare sentence that we're GONNA be forced to say a lot apple vine that they're paying for new stuff apples and buying it yet are no one real knowing what they're doing they're making movies about dogs and like chimpanzees and there was like I don't know we'll just make movies then nineteen eighty-nine the Lamari comes out Michael Eisner Shoe Disney plus for are not going to be there marvel's a great example right you're not gonNA get most marvel movies because of rights problems Disney does not own the rights to a lot of marvel movies creatively fallow period for about twenty years and remember that for one year I believe in the seventies the Disney was run by an NFL player because they were just like well utilized for certain shows in Hollywood you do that for the walking dead and the Big Bang theory we were like people tune in it's fine don't worry just keep it going apples from renewing shows that and so things kind of changed around then and then the the Disney people know today is really the Bob Eiger era which is two thousand and four thousand five the lot of the things that people wanted subscribe possibly working with the Obamas who does based on proper on see photos and almost heaven athletes deal they just went out to dinner but I think they haven't inflict terminal our Jeffrey Katzenberg who's now doing quickly takeover and they're kind of they lead this charge right and that league runs up to ninety four when Katzenberg is then fired table chefs table is very much alike watch this chef she will not slowly cut right so he doesn't have any any prestigious shows don't like them because we're adults and we have taste but like kids do not have taste characteristics watch whatever they're very famous very like creator friendly artist-friendly they just have a lot of very slow moving shows right there's not a lot of they don't were they can advance in a space and they know that they can't compete with Apple's budget they know they can't compete with Disney's catalog so now they're just kind of going where this catalogue like don't worry about them being on youtube and seeing stuff they don't WanNa see yeah it's got most things that will keep your kids entertained and the thing about bad nineteen sixty nine hundred seventy Disney movies is like we no they're they're head of content Ted's does basically said this where he's like we can't keep buying shows for five hundred million dollars this is not some weekend which they did with Seinfeld this is problem with net flicks by Comex Zaib argument Netflix has paid for a lot of stuff over the past few years they have wet there graders have free reign wants all those movies out of the vault and it's like this catalogue maybe not as good as as everyone has been fearing it's like is he went through a very here's eight bucks I don't give me this hour a month of that conversations podcast Robert Deniro man what the fuck the Disney has a lot of things going for they have new original series they have all star wars they have all picks are they have all their Disney animated stuff and if your parent six ninety nine a month means that problem with their streaming half the team is into it half the team's not and every HBO executives out the door. Yeah so I mean that's a whole situation but h uh-huh talking monkey is hilarious to a five year old and me and so it's like they will watch Disney has it is he has no problems I was like listen you can probably watch somehow but then she eventually got Amazon and now she does watch Amazon prime stuff and she's like also buying toilet paper she's like did you know you can tara's he played for the Los Angeles Rams and he got knocked unconscious and game and Walt Disney this is John I'm just reading he said I don't want to be the father the fact that they're also doing a year with verizon freeze like I mean investors alone are like oh they're going to do they're going to a better than we thought they were GonNa do tell you the story of Ronald William Miller this Disney subsided apples giving away apple TV plus basically free for free to iphone owners one year one year and five the biggest apple Stan and is like already here someone's going to buy it so this you're talking about Netflix subscribers Netflix has to convince you to pay some money a month yeah wow that's what happens you marrying Disney family walt person is like don't die out there how about you run this animation studio and said he better anyway so this is to me amies this year and so for a while like my mom like this is what I think about when I write stories I dreaming is my mom texts me and she was like TV got really confusing and I was like yeah and she's like how do I watch TV and I said we'll do you have Amazon she was like no and so she's like I just WanNa Watch these shows so I suggest piracy to your children and you're GonNa die out you come work at Disney and then he became the CEO of this company for a minute it was like a weird company around with airports everywhere he's amazing and he's he's like I'm GonNa get Apple TV plus they already have music and I already have news and I'm GonNa Watch TV ON MY IPAD ear how will they get you to convert they will try to sell you another phone yeah they will sell you another ipad like at some point they're just going to give it away for some bundle and they'll they'll use in the ecosystem the morning show they won't be an emmy nominated thing arguably probably saying see it's not going to happen but these Jason Momoa is blind and like those like that's all apple's going they're like hey we're going to do good shows that you're paying attention to that you'll care about she get my mom I wanNA watch it I watched the emmys how do I do this and my dad he was right or they'll have a bundle it's weird in announce it yet it feels like they will yeah there was a report about how the music labels were like I don't know about that yet I'm trying yeah that's what they're trying to do what Amazon does I mean look at the recent emmys besides HBO The only other Company people talking on which was a weird thing Amazon owned the this is the HBO thing this is like Hbo is very selective with what they buy or has been under eighteen t the old change we're now resides act hits actually no stranger things that house of cards hyper drive hybrid wrestling my favorite show like chefs works. Yeah and you're GONNA get bundles if you spend what you're spending on Netflix with Disney you can get Hulu ad-supported Hulu an ESPN plus for free to just throwing it all in Disney you know Kevin who's the archetype of architect rather the marvel cinematic universe he's working with Disney specifically to do Marvel TV shows and Oh has an ethics doesn't is prestige like entrenched now and it's like a lot of Emmy Award winning stuff apple wants to do the same thing apples buying certain programs that will get them to the emmys that's the that's all they can do yeah or they convince T. mobile to give it to you for free yeah but that's like to make a bundle like that they gotta go out into the world and I've got money the enormous debt north but they also got money bills have investors who are like why don't you sell if your team properties like at and T. had an executive levels like ooh Hoo cameras name but he was probably the right in the NFL or Disney right is that Disney had a large period where stay away from their gets a bundled into the phone so everyone's going to get free for year fifth grade to Afon yeah that's an instant they're gonNA juice their numbers after surnames but that's my and that's personally these are the people that apple wants to get to where it's like hey my dad for example owns everything apple seventy-two while for Bundle now that seems very precarious yes so Netflix has the biggest thing net flicks has that they need to figure this is what they need to basically build upon and this'll be L. right comcast box via the parent company of the verge they don't like us very much because they named their servers peacock and we told people that they need in order the moral TV shows now interact directly with the marvel movies and so it's like hey you're watching the show if you go watch doctor strange there's a thing in doctor strange that happens in the show and be a family sharing apple sharing is not the same as just like simple password now you're part of my in Wanda Vision that you have to watch and so they kind of this was agents of shield but those are bad shows so nobody watched it but under like this one thing like there's a chance that it's like oh I have to get Disney plus because I am a marble Stan like that's what I and it's like well if I want to know what's happening I have to watch this show or you can just read the wikipedia whatever they're doing to the one hundred percent do that yeah so that just leaves Netflix thinks year ago was the big dog everyone was scared of it everyone thought they were like the unlimited data and verizon or you clarify us that's a great so they're just giving it away they're making that deal Disney also has themes cents Amazon obviously has the world's most famous fondling prime gap grapevine Disney plus like I said Verizon is going to give it away Berquin he's probably not going international probably going many places so what we have we have is Netflix and Disney in terms of national play Disney's GonNa take some time before their insurance markets and they also are doing the smart thing which is there instead of doing the Disney thing which is instead of they're worried because publications like Virgil Hoda Puerto Rate Stories they're like Netflix should be worried than the investors go ou know we're worried just a it makes me so so these two services are not going international let's throw in Quebec's I love Jeffrey about iron man and I'm like I have a new theory and he's like I don't I don't care who is your theory that you change your mind in Ironman too is bad no onto is great it's come in every day with new theories based on this is what working at the versus like everyone wants to tour and I feel like we can just do podcasts Julius enforce in South America netflixing buying those are paying subscribers coming in at a cheaper subscription rate they're designing specifically for Mobile in India because more people are on their phones well because it's a place that he's not going to comcast which has their own streaming service coming out peacock with NBC Universal Amazing. 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The State of Wisconsin is Under Attack

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The State of Wisconsin is Under Attack

"Broadcasting Planet Madison Bruce City and the world on iheartradio. Vicki cash show to be. A part of the program called the hotel gaming. Wisconsin dells toll free line at seven to three five thirteen. Email Vicky at WNBA dot com now here's. Good afternoon welcome to the program and Vicki McKenna. This is Vicky mechanic show. State of Wisconsin. He's under. The State of Wisconsin is represented by the capital city of Madison Wisconsin is under attack and there is nobody nobody. Who is willing to defend it? I want you to think about that? That's what this show is going to be about. The capital is under assault. The capital city is under attack. The people who live in the capital city have had their civil rights suspended not by government, but by an insurrection that nobody wants to do anything about not the governor. Knocked the mayor of the city, not the sheriff of the county, not the police chief of the city, not the attorney general of the State of Wisconsin No, not the US attorney. Not The FBI not the agents of the WHO work in this state nobody. Is Willing to do anything to defend. The State of Wisconsin. Nobody. You all know by now. That the riot that took control of the city of Madison the downtown area that firebombed. Fun Your bombed. The Juvenile Inmates Center. The city county building. And a portion of the building that was set aside for federal. Law Enforcement. Firebombed it. Everybody stood down. You by now know the Tim. Carpenter senator. Tim Carpenter was attacked. Why was Tim Carpenter attacked? He was attacked because he was filming probably so that he could put up on his facebook page the next day how he was down the revolution how he was down with the cost is. Not Realizing that an order had been given in his civil liberties had been suspended. In order had been given by the leader of the riot and the insurrection one marquand M, Clark. That, there was no filming no photographs. Nobody was allowed to record anything that happened. They tried to disabled security cameras that were installed around the downtown area. What Senator Tim. Carpenter a Democrat learned. was that it didn't matter. He was down with the 'cause. It didn't matter. He was on team Def- on the police. It didn't matter he was Hashtag. It didn't matter. He was filming. The riot. And he was beaten stupid by eight to ten people. Who attacked him and kicked him in the head. causing a least concussion. There are photographs all over the place I mean. I don't know if he suffered permanent damage. But what he didn't realize that in enabling. The, insurrection, not just in Madison, but around the country by refusing to call out the domestic terror stations that have been seizing control of the state and of this nation. that his civil liberties his civil right, we're going. To be suspended. Let, the lesson be learned liberals. Hoping the alligator eats you last sometimes that alligator just goes crazy. And you get eaten I. Let me, read you something before we get to audio. I've got a lot of audio of Marquand M Clark. This is someone that the media refuses to identify. Marquand A. R.. Q., O N M. Clark a multiple felon. Has resided in Wall Pon Fox Fox valley, correctional and Dane County jail. We've got plenty of audio from this guy calling for a riot on his facebook page bragging about stealing a tow truck from a man who is driving that tow truck. Imploring people to calm down and join the riot. The riot that began. With a firebombing of the city county building, but before we get by by the way, feel free to weigh in here because if you have an idea on how we can take back control of the state of Wisconsin since the police in the capital city don't WanNa do it and the governor and the capital city doesn't want to do it in the mayor of the capital said he doesn't want to do it. And the Attorney General of this state refuses to even come out of his office. You let me know eight, seven, seven to three, five, thousand ten. The police wide is no one willing to stand up the police. Were told to stand down. Upon getting the Intel that the city county building was going to be firebombed. The City County building which is home to juvenile inmates, kit. They didn't do anything. No one did anything. Nobody let the police. Just, do their thing. Police were recalled early from the downtown area. Because Command staff was to afraid of the images that might be shared. Eight seven, seventy, five, thirteen ten. We'll be back in a moment. Kinda show eight, seven, seven to three, five, thirteen, ten, before I get to calls, and I promise I will let me just read this. This is sourced from. Sheriff's Deputies Madison Police, officers and nine one one dispatchers. Extra police resources were sent home early last night. An officer received a citizen report that individuals were planning to firebomb the city county building. This information was immediately related to offsite command post, but no action was taken. Officers were told just to stand down, but avoid the area completely. The mob approached the officers requested. Permission to utilize gas on the crowd to back them up. The command post repeatedly denied their requests. A firebomb was thrown into the CCB. Officers heard glass break smell the smoke and reported at the command post. Still no action was taken. The nine one one center had to be evacuated dispatchers escaping had to pass through fire and smoke. This resulted in a substantial disruption of emergency services. Services to the rest of the county Dane. County Sheriff's deputies responded at great risk to their own lives to put out the fire with fire extinguishers, likely saving the lives of lives of hundreds of people including juveniles, an inmates house at the JRC in jail. A fire investigator, examining the scene remarked quote. It was only by the grace of God that the fast action by the deputies. that. The entire building did not go up in flames, officers working inside the armed themselves with rifles from the armory had the mob Brooklyn through believe they would have had to have begun shooting people to save their own lives. Officers are furious. Their commanders are not allowing them to act. They believe their lives are being endangered by their commanders, inability to make decisions or unwillingness to. To Take Action, many are calling for a formal grievance. An investigation of the commanders. Many officers have stated they have zero confidence in the overall command of the department and are ready to walk off the job. There is nobody defending the capital city of the State of Wisconsin from a two bit multi felon fog like Marquand Clark who has sixteen total convictions. This guys twenty. Twenty two years old, and he's got sixteen convictions and has been out of prison for less than ninety days. This is the guy who instigated the entire riot downtown in committed multiple federal offenses on facebook live and nobody wants to even name him in the press. Marquand Clark. Who Do you want to blame for taking on the Christian statue of the abolitionist who freed the? The slaves Marquand Clark. Who Do you want to point a finger to for for taking down the forward Statue Marquand Clark? This is the guy who instigated the entire thing. All based on the arrest of another two bit fell in thug named Debonair Johnson. We'll get to him shortly I've got some audio coming up. Let me get to the phones. Jim Welcome to the program. Oh Vicki what you just read. Just just enforced you. I. I hate to say after I have to strap up. After work downtown I don't WanNa be armed, but were they sat there on May thirtieth south when I was down there when they were doing the writing me back to my car at Hamster. Who? Peaceful protests with hammers and crowbars nobody. Nobody. Firebombs in Rocco's up who shows up chains and rapping in the stuff at a peaceful protest nobody? They're they're calling US paranoid and violent when they're attacking A. Senator for filming them yeah. What the hell doing all these people. You gotTA governor. Listen I. Don't want bloodshed. I don't want to see any bloodshed I. Don't want to see bloodshed half. I think that's what they want. I think that is what they want. Here's the thing the mayor as I am told I haven't confirmed this, but I was told she got a personal police escort out of the municipal building so that she could go be cordoned off somewhere. SAFE mind you. This is the mayor that has been pouring gasoline on the inflamed conditions in the city of Madison by blaming the police for everything and anything under the sun including slavery. That's what the mayor has been doing. She's safe the governor. Hey, he called it inappropriate all right Jim. It's inappropriate, so this cobol we renew cheap out, I got him coming up later on in the program on the Madison side of this show, chief Cobol. Yeah! please. Your uniforms still fits. Put It on. But but you don't. There's no one not Josh Cau- not the US. Attorney these are federal crimes by the way that took place yesterday, not to mention that we just had the president declare that he was going to go after people who tore down statues. So you've got a firebombing an incitement to riot on facebook live, which is almost a direct violation of federal statute firebombings violation of federal statute firebombings mandatory prison time by the way not that it. It would make marquand Clark that nervous. He's done so much prison time at his young young age of twenty two years old. You've got the mayor the city, the City Council, the county board, the county executive, the Attorney General, the governor. Everybody I mean Mandela Barnes was talking about being on the right side of things I got news for you. Lesser Mandela. You're on the wrong side of things, every single one of these people who have been pouring. Pouring gasoline on the burning fires of the war on cops and the war on on civility are the ones who bear the responsibility for all of this. Let me tell you something Jim. They cordoned off all of the streets that are accessing the downtown municipal building. The rioters cordoned off at five o'clock by eight o'clock they had firebomb the place five o'clock they they were permitted to cordon off that area and hold hostage. Anybody who was in that area. Area since five PM, and the police were told to stand down and I'M GONNA. Tell you something you. Absolutely. You absolutely have to defend yourselves. I got an idea on how I think we can get the governor to to finally dispatched the National Guard that some Nambu lint puppet who only ever comes out of the gopher hole when somebody hands him a press release to to read like a hostage video I have an idea that might make that. Useless feckless worthless governor that we have sitting living in the city of Madison finally do the right thing but first. Let me get to I. Think Scott on the on the on the line here. Or Steve I don't know who is on who was online, too. I have no idea. All Right? Hi, you're on the air. This is randy. Randy okay. Even close all right randy welcome just got off the phone call the mayor's office and I asked a question which is a yesterday question. Who gave the order to stand down? Yes or no or did? The mayor gives the order to stand down and she could not answer. She said there had been multiple phone calls asking that question. From citizens. And from the media and I still am personally working on it to get an answer for everyone who gave the order to stand down? Who gave the order? Because it happened, yeah, did you have got command staff, which are the ones that are giving the order, but who told the command staff to command staff, take the orders from the chief, or did the acting chief take the orders from the mayor and delivered to deliver it to the command staff, standing down man it at time at a time when you have people on facebook live calling for folks to come downtown and join the mayhem. I asked who gave the stand down order for State Street a couple of weeks ago. I don't know I'm still working on that. It's like it's two weeks ago. Yeah. It's so obvious I. Think the answer to the mayor. I think that's an until. We learn further, and of course, if if we have if somebody can provide us evidence that we have no reason to blame the mayor, such roads, Conway Telling Command, staff, or telling the acting chief to tell the command staff to stand down, but I put the I put the lion share of the responsibility, the foot of roads, conway the mayor of the city, and I put the second heaping pile of responsibility at the of Tony Evert. Who has the capacity to override the? Progressive Morons the idiosyncrasy that is in control of the capital city of Madison where civil rights have been suspended, civil rights have been. UNLESS YOU'RE A thug with a felon record. WHO DID TIME IN CORRECTIONAL INSTITUTION? Who has decided that you WanNa? Take on the cause of defined the police, and then you can. You got the run of the show, but Tony vers could could deal with this by declaring a state of emergency, and sending out the National Guard and putting ten thousand troops in the streets of Madison to seize back order. Thanks for the call man I appreciate it. I appreciate you doing that. By the way everybody ought to be on the phone I don't care. If you're from menominee falls, you should be on the phone to the city of Madison to this idiot who has decided that she wants to put her hashtag virtue signaling politics ahead of the stability and safety and the civil liberties of the citizens in the city by the way you. You can say you get what you vote for. Well, that's Madison. You get what you vote for I. Got News for you. There are tens of thousands of people who live in the capital city and work in the capital city who did not vote for this tens of thousands of people in the city of two hundred and twenty four thousand said No. Do they deserve this? Here's my idea. Eight seven seven to three, five, thirteen, ten by the way. We get a couple of hundred people with are fifteen to descend into the downtown area in Madison and just walk the perimeter I tell you something Tony would see that cited he would declare a state of emergency so fast, and we would have so many national guardsmen. We'd be swatting them away like flies. Is that what it's GonNa take. The citizens of the State of Wisconsin to guard our, capital city. If that's what it takes to get. The National Guard deployed. To defend what ought to be easily defensible. The city of Madison police by the Dane County Sheriff's Department by the State Capitol Police and by the state patrol. Apparently all of these people are so overwhelmed. They're completely incapable of accomplishing this task. We need the national guard, and if it takes me and the rest of the rest of going downtown strapped up, then so be it I'm gonNA. Take a quick break. We'll. Become, Cheryl Eight, seven, seven, three, five, thirteen to know what attorney general's doing. He's Kissing Joe. Biden's ASS. Here's his tweet looking forward to talking about the ACA with folks from Clare Today's team Joe. FERCH virtual healthcare. Roundtable Do your capital city is under attack. You're the attorney general, you useless. Unbelievable Politics Kissing Joe Biden's rear end sucking up to that dementia ridden soft food buffet. chowing idiot is more important than dealing with a seizure of Madison Wisconsin Senator Tim. Carpenter was beaten stupid. The forward statue, and the Christian Hag statue were thrown in the lake. The municipal building housing juvenile inmates was fire bombed. Police have stood down. And what is the Attorney General? Doing the same thing? The governor's doing nothing. Let's get to Scott. WHO's been waiting awhile and I? Do appreciate your patient Scott Thank you. I. saw. Kind of beat me to the punch but. I believe it's fine for a civilian off. army so to speak to show up in Madison, and and guard our our history and our artifacts and our capital. And our people. And enough is enough. I mean this is is absolutely crazy. Here's what I want to do, and and I'm with you I'm with you on this and I want that. To trigger the deployment of thousands of national guardsmen to the city of Addison, that's what I want. That's what I want. It shouldn't be up to us, but if it must be and if you don't feel comfortable, you know I don't know open carrying or some you know. Somebody called up, didn't. Go ahead. I'm game. Yeah. Are and if if you're not comfortable that way, somebody called up and was talking to producer John here and said you know what if I brought my softball team and we just walked around with baseball bats I don't know. Sounds like a fine idea to me. Because Vagit tanks and nobody will do anything, but honestly I'm GonNa, tell you why. The progressive people of the city of Madison are so completely indoctrinated into the cult of woke. They are so enamored with their own reflection in the mirror as they as they preen over how virtuous and anti-racist they are. They're not going to throw the mayor out of her out of her seat. They're not going to get rid of the useless sheriff. They're not gonNA. Demand anything except. Can't we all just get along and maybe we? We should sit down and have conversations with multi felons who have recently been incarcerated for beating the crap out of people. Yeah, that's what they're going to want to do. So this is our capital. The this is our history. This is the seat of state government. It's up to us if it's not up to them and I thank you for the car, thank you Scott I appreciate it I. Appreciate Your patience as well. Who is holding the longest year two or two or three all right? Let's go to Dave. I believe Dave Welcome to the program. Big Year used to work downtown at the university, and it's just changed so much since two thousand six is pathetic, but you know there's a couple of things that you could do. You could protest peaceably now out of the mayor's house and. Say resigned mayor, or whatever you have to do or having a ton of own at the. Governor's mansion. Let's set up our own little. What like a right-wing autonomous zone? In the bluff right on the lake. It's a lovely property. I've been there. Absolutely come up by boat and fish off the pier and have a fun time. Yeah I. Don't think that's a terrible idea at all. We'll just sit up our our law enforcement autonomous zone and we will demand that. The rule of law actually be enforced in the city of Madison. then. Of course, we will accept that the rule of law would be enforced against us these remember. Some of this stuff would actually be requiring some acts of civil disobedience here, folks. And unlike you. Go ahead. You would get the National Guard if you get to the governor's mansion, you have the National Guard there in thirty seconds. We just want the National Guard Tony. Even do we have to have people grill and brought outside your house to do this, do we half actually March and patrol the streets of the city of Madison before you're actually able to do this to defend civil rights and to defend the rule of law. For your show. He did actually come out and say that he's thinking about bringing the national guardian. He's thinking about it I say a few a few hundred people open carrying downtown I. Think would probably get that thought process moving along here, don't. Firebomb the capital. I think they tried to do that last night. That was one of the buildings they tried to get into, but could not actually access. That so they tried to do that. Dave. Thanks very much for the call I appreciate. I'm trying to burn through some some of. That light is blue. Welcome Andy. I mean Waukesha resident than I thought to myself. If I took my daughters, our sidewalk chalk I was going to go up to Madison with my open Kerry and simply just take the shot. Put It on the ground and make what make us circle a lawn chair in the middle of it. And say all lives matter with my sign and say stay out of my. This is my autonomous they out of. I think we're going to need more than we like. Five hundred people do that. That'd be awesome. People. That would be awesome if it's just you I worry for you. Lose one last little thing, Vicki my father has been a police officer for fifty one years. He's still working as a police officer. He's seventy years of age, and he is of the Capitol Police, but he works out of Milwaukee. and. He stands with US becky. I think bouncer. The police do. I do agree. Yes, yes, let me read you this. Your Dad's a police officer I just got this from fellow who son works for the Madison Police Department quote he was in full riot gear last night, and they stood down while rioters had full reign of downtown. He said the rioters were allowed to run around downtown at will, with no response dispatch was in fear of being overrun by the mob. I am fearful for my son's life and the life of other officers. Yeah. My question here is how come how come if we know that that is going to be taking place, why is it? We cannot get a republican mob up there. Simply. Shut them down at the cops will not do just make them stand down and not destroy A. Yeah that's what I mean. It's GonNa. I think ultimately what it is going to take, and it's going to take people to be willing to commit to this until the governor is willing to commit under his authority, and only his Authority National Guard. Remember what I read. These are people who have been. The police have been ordered to stand down. Even though they knew that the rioters were gonNA firebomb. Firebomb, the city county building, even as the firebombing was taken place, even as nine one one dispatchers and juveniles and people who are needing to be evacuated from that building through fire and smoke and police officers still stood down, and in fact, if you go on Marquand Clark's facebook page, his facebook page is called Sire. SL R. E. G. Q.. He posted a video bragging about how the police took. Took a step eight blocks back. When when they were told to leave, the police were told to leave by the rioters, and so, what did they do? They moved back eight blocks. So when they were told to leave by the rioters, they pretty much did. That's what we've got going in the capital city here. I'M GONNA. Take One more call here and then. I gotTa take a quick break and we're gonNA come back with more on this Chris Welcome to the program. If I was running. If anybody's talks Fox last night, there was the woman from Venezuela. And she was describing how the country little by little was destroyed and taken over, and she is saying that we're not aware that this is happening to our nation nationwide. Yeah. I saw that I think a lot of people saw. That video is a young lady from Venezuela who said listen. Very Shock. Took down the statues and Shabas erase the history and Chevette. Let us watch movies, and then he wouldn't let us read books. And then he controlled the kind of information. We could share with each other, and then he control the information in the schools, and the and we are watching it happen as we speak Chris. I know. I don't know I'm from Europe. We lost our country in in Europe and I'm. We're going through this all over again. Remember President. Obama saying that we're going to necessarily transferring this nation. Well, we're they're doing it. Has Anybody liked the transformation I. Wonder how Tim Carpenter likes to transformation. Thanks for the call Chris. Appreciate the phone call. We gotta take a break here. This is the Vicki McKenna show. We're GONNA come back with our panel Brian Shimmying. A Madison Lifer. This is someone who's lived his entire life in this city in fact today I have been talking to people who've lived their entire lives in the city and our without words to describe. How. How recognizable it is, somebody emailed me and said it's not Madison. It's Benghazi. Pretty much at this point unless we do something to stop it. We'll be right back. This is the Vicki McKenna show. Back to the program, let me just read this. It's just came to me. This is a crime that didn't get anybody's attention. That took place last night as well in addition to the firebombing, and the stealing of the tow truck, and the destruction of the Christian Hag and forward statues, and the mayhem, and the and the riots, and the broken glass, and the beating up of a state Senator this. This is a twenty eight year old son, prairie man beaten and robbed by protesters after he inadvertently turned into their path as he drove home from Williamson, St John Nolan drive last night. The victim was on the way to a hospital to pick up his girlfriend. At the time he was attacked. He said it began when a member of the protest group through a bicycle, his car causing damage the. The victim got out to ask the man why he had done this and was quickly surrounded by an estimated fifty people was punched by several, and ended up in the fetal position on the ground, trying to protect himself from blows and kicks while this was happening. Someone took his wallet when they quote. Protesters moved on. He returned to his car to find. The windows smashed out in his cell phone. Phone gone. The victim ended up in hospital with painful, but not life threatening injuries. This is one of the many acts of overnight violence being investigated by the Madison. Police Department anybody with information is asked to call call Madison Crime Stoppers Brian Shimmying you grew up in this city. The this is starting to this is starting to smell of the time that that that gave us the Sterling Hall era. Yeah as I mentioned on the show before when they when they bombed sterling hall, it shook our whole house. It shook the neighborhood and literally shook the city. It was such a big explosion, so I've smelled the tear gas of seeing the riots, the rock throwing the burnings, the all of that and so i. You know what the difference is between now and then. Then then you had law enforcement now you don't not because the street cops don't. They can get this under control in five minutes. This city and this state a Democrat governor, a Democrat Lieutenant Governor. You have a Democrat County executive a- democrat mayor, all of the levers of law enforcement on the Capitol Square literally every lever of law enforcement and the National Guard. Guard are in the hands of like three people all Liberal Democrats and last night they allowed our state capital to be attacked. They pulled statues over dragged one down to the lake and threw it in the lake, attacked a member of the state Senate, who bought for an inch or two one way or the other getting could be dead and laying in the. The coroner's office right now, and it was allowed to happen. It didn't happen. It was allow Iraq to half are racked, and that is why I'm saying that it's now up to the of Wisconsin to defend your capital our history. This is not the city of Madison's property. This is the state of Wisconsin. If you are in west Shara if you are in. Somewhere in the in the door county region anywhere. If you're listening on Iheart, this is your capital and your history. This does not belong to Marquand M Clark twenty two year old people felon who just got out of prison. This belonged Satcher Roads Conway Hashtag de-fund police. This doesn't belong to Tony. Hashtag, de-fund, police, or Josh call who's Hashtag Joe Biden because he's not even interested in talking about this Brian I think we could get the national guard deployed quickly if a whole bunch of citizens came down to Madison and patrol, the Capitol Square in the State Street area with baseball, bats and golf clubs and open carried firearms the problem is this governor and this administration. Oh they deploy the national. Guard alright against US course. They would imply of against us. Listen three times. Times a now with three o'clock three hours ago, our Lieutenant Governor. This is three hours. Go not yesterday, not the day before yesterday three hours ago in the shadow of this incident, Mandela Barnes says this they have fanned the flames of hate and shocked and chagrined when there's a blaze, this includes influencing the most destructive policy decisions to stirring up emotions with the most hateful one side of discourse, pending communities against one another no denunciation, no putting the blame where it is. Except on the other side arm ten governor. Three hours ago, blamed law abiding citizens while for what happened at the Capitol. That guy that guy ought to be forced to resign, he should he? That is so offensive. He should be forced to resign. Folks, I'm GonNa have to take break here so for those of you joining me for the Madison Side Eight, seven, seven to three, five, thirteen ten. We'll get some more calls here. Coming up on the program, Brian Ching stick around if you don't mind, this is the Vicki McKenna show.

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Despite Health Risks, In-Person Voting Underway in Wisconsin

NPR Politics Podcast

13:57 min | 4 months ago

Despite Health Risks, In-Person Voting Underway in Wisconsin

"Hello NPR cliche alert. I live in Austin Texas. I drive a Prius and I've listened to every single. Npr Politics Todd cast. But what you didn't expect is that I play the Banjo. This podcast was originally recorded at two ten PM on Tuesday. The seventh of April things may have changed from the time that you listen to this. Okay enjoy the show. That was awesome. That was so awesome. I needed that. Hey there this is the NPR politics podcast. I'm Tamra Keith. Cover the White House and I must my call them covering the twenty two thousand election. It has been a wild ride of will they or won't they but there is an election happening today in Wisconsin. The State is holding its primary. Today that comes against the objections of the state's governor and in spite of health risks to get a clearer picture of what is happening on the ground there. We have Shawn Johnson from Wisconsin public radio on the line. Hey Sean thanks for having me. Yeah so where? Are you right now out right now? I'm in Madison Wisconsin recording from my home. Office where I've been spending a lotta time lately. So did get a chance to go out though in. Talk to voters at polling places today before we talk about what you heard from voters and it seems like there are a lot of people going out and voting despite it all. How did we get here? It seemed like every few hours. There was an update of whether this election was happening or not. Yeah I think it started a few weeks ago when our Governor Tony Ears started shutting everything down and at the time he was pretty reluctant to say that Wisconsin needed to delay its election. He was at the time on the same page as Republicans in the legislature here. And he's a Democrat right he donate yours is a Democrat and Republicans have strong majorities in the legislature. Then as the cove in nineteen crisis developed and As this election grew nearer he changed and he called for a move to an all absentee ballot or a mail in election basically That call was kind of ignored then. He moved to call the legislature into special session to delay the election. That was also ignored and so then This week he took the rare of using an executive order to try to halt the election by himself. This happened on Monday at about one o'clock around four hours later the Wisconsin Supreme Court had stepped in and said that he couldn't do that that he lacked the power to stop the election. And so here we are. People are voting despite all this back and forth there are people voting in person. Today I mean. I know the campaigns avert for President. I know that they had been encouraging people to vote by mail. But you been out there and people are still showing up in person. So what's it been like so it's definitely quieter than usual? I can tell you in Madison Most of the poll workers that I saw were wearing masks. Most of the voters that I saw were wearing masks so this is something that people have kind of taken to pretty quickly here. In other parts of the state though where the number of polling places have been decreased namely Milwaukee you have very long lines for people to vote so normally Milwaukee would have one hundred eighty polling places. They are down to five polling places for the entire city. And so in Milwaukee. It's a very different situation than it is. Where I'm at. You have very long lines. People waiting a long time to vote. It's just more of a logistical headache. There and as you say people are out there. People are voting. People are working as poll. Workers people are literally taking risks serious risks to exercise this right to vote and the civic civic duty. What are people telling you about these calculations that they made? I mean I think for ally them. It is a civic duty view it that way. I talked to a poll worker in Madison. Any Rene she sixty two when we spoke. She was wearing one of those end. Ninety five face masks and gloves she was hoping as recently as yesterday this election would be delayed But once she found out that it was going to happen she felt. It was her duty to be there Even though she happy about it I'm over sixty and that irritates me that you know we're putting ourselves at risk to come in exercise civic duties and I just think that's wrong so everybody who can shows up and does everything they can and but I think it's it was a very pat decisions then also talk to a lot of voters who said similar things you know. They would like to have seen this election delayed. But if it wasn't they were going to be there That included Steve Klavan of Madison. He's sixty five and he felt like he had a duty to get out here given what he's seeing around the state of Wisconsin. I know I'm in the higher risk of And I felt like just really important to to be here and exercise my right to vote. So this makes me think of November. Wisconsin is going to be a critical state in November The thing that we don't know is what will the corona virus be like when election time comes will? There be a resurgence. Some some public health officials have been concerned that that there could be a recurrence of outbreaks. Come fall when when the when the seasons change. And this seems like something of a harbinger like if there's this much disagreement about vote by mail and all of this now what's going to look like in November and to that point Sean I mean I'm also curious about the wide levels of disparity. We've seen I mean you mentioned earlier that Milwaukee had just a fraction of the polling places open compared to Madison and Milwaukee. I'm sure it's you know. It's a heavily African American city and this has been a point of criticism. I've seen with voting rights organizations today that this disparity has severe racial implications as well. You're in any election There's always a struggle to get African American voters to the polls in Wisconsin in Milwaukee. And so there's already the sort of Structural issues when it comes to voter turnout there. You couple that with cove in nineteen and the majority of the cases in Milwaukee have come from African American neighborhoods. It is as our governor has described it a crisis within a crisis here so this is something that the African American community is dealing with a unique way. And that's happening at the time of an election when there are fewer places to vote when they would normally have. Wow well one thing we do know is that we are not going to get election. Results Tonight The Associated Press has said that they are not going to be making any calls in the races in Wisconsin until at least Monday because there are so many vote by mail ballots That are waiting to come in. Well Sean thank you for talking us through all of this and for being out there interviewing folks today thanks for having me and we are going to take a quick break and when we get back we're going to check in on the state of the Democratic Primary Race Nationally support for this podcast and the following message come from the Annie E. Casey Foundation developing solutions to support strong families and communities to help ensure a brighter future for America's children more information is available at ADC F. Dot Org right now. Every household in the country is being asked to fill out the US. Census is the form that helps us determine how voting districts are redrawn where to build public schools and hospitals how to spend Federal Money. So why are some people afraid to fill it out? We're getting into all that this week on. Npr's coots which podcast and were back and we are joined by Dominica. Montenero hate Domenico. Hey Tim so Dominica. We were just talking with Shawn Johnson of Wisconsin public radio about how people are voting. But let's narrow in on who they're voting for. Obviously the two candidates left are Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden. In a lot of ways it has felt like the contest between the two of them has stood still for a month but at that point it really did seem like this race was basically over anyway. So what happens now? Well we know that former vice president Joe Biden has a bad twelve one thousand two hundred and seventeen delegates to Bernie Sanders nine hundred and fourteen has got you know a little bit more than three hundred delegate lead and for people who aren't really familiar with that with that means that Biden needs just forty six percent of the remaining delegates to be the nominee so in other words sanders to turn this aircraft carrier around is going to need to beat by with at least sixty four percent of the vote in all the remaining contests and so far. That's not what's been happening and momentum is really tough to turn around in a race like this In fact going into Wisconsin. Where of course? We're not going to have a definitive result for a little. Bit Biden was leading pretty substantially in the polls and sanders. A few weeks ago said that he would be assessing as campaign and seemed to indicate that at least Wisconsin might have some determinative fact on whether or not he stays in or not you have been talking to folks close to the Sanders campaign. Well I talked to Larry Cohen. Who is the head of our revolution which is an outside group that Supports Sanders? He's pretty close to Sanders You know certainly a pretty die hard guy. When it comes to The movement that he feels the sanders campaign has created an sanders himself has created and what he's really bored in on which I was a little surprised by in talking to him is that they wanna have enough of a say at the table at Rules Committee At the Democratic convention within the Democratic Party to say that they want an absolute continuation of every reform that was adopted in twenty twenty that Cohen and sanders pushed for. You know we're talking about things like You know super delegates not being able to vote on the first ballot. They want that extended indefinitely or at least through twenty twenty four and what we know. Is that top? People in both campaigns are negotiating so it certainly looks like the writing on the wall and Coen in fact said to me that at the end of the day. We're all in for Biden if he's the nominee. I think what's going to be interesting to to what you were talking about. Dominica though is the degree to which this officially shifts into general election mode. I would argue both sanders. Supporters and Bein and supporters are very aware of the fact that the Biden is by all accounts seen as the likely Democratic nominee given the lead that he has in delegates and the momentum. He's moving ahead in terms of planning out the possibility of of selecting vice presidential candidate and he has said that he has informed Bernie Sanders about the fact that he's doing it he wanted Sanders Dino that he wasn't trying to be kind of overly presumptuous but he feels like he needs to move ahead with that process. Something though I have to say feels really different about this campaign and how it's wrapping up. Then the two thousand sixteen campaign the vitriol that existed between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton and at least their supporters and staffers is very different than this time around. Tom I know you covered the Clinton campaign. You can certainly speak to some of that but when it comes to Biden Sanders you know they have this pre existing relationship. They kinda like each other. They've said it over and over again. Even though frankly Biden and Clinton's policies aren't a whole heck of a lot different in so many ways Biden is acting like he is the nominee in his opponent. Is Donald J trump and president trump in a lot of ways? He's not talking about Bernie Sanders anymore. His his focus when he's not focused on. Coruna virus is on Joe Biden. His campaign is focused on Joe Biden and beating him up while while he doesn't have much of a platform you're right I mean and that's why the other day one of his advisors you know Kellyanne Conway said on Fox News that instead of Biden just criticizing the president on the outside. He should actually call him. Call the White House and offer some support that way and then that is how this very strange phone call transpired between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. That two men spoke yesterday for about fifteen minutes about the corona virus. And I will say I just found that fascinating to be like a real fly on the wall. I know we got kind of a squid synopsis of it. But I don't feel like we really know what happened in the phone. Call you kinda wonder. How much of that is politics? One side looking like they can talk to the other and maybe that's good for them with independence. All right well We are GONNA leave it there for today. I'm Tim Murky. Thi- cover the White House. I must macaulay them covering the presidential campaign and Dominica Montoneros senior political editor and correspondent. And thank you for listening to. Npr politics podcast.

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Odd One Out: Wisconsin Votes IRL During Pandemic

Skimm This

12:47 min | 4 months ago

Odd One Out: Wisconsin Votes IRL During Pandemic

"It's Tuesday April seventh. Welcome to skim. This where breaking down the most complex stories of the day and giving you the context on why they matter today. Voters are headed to the polls the Wisconsin primary to cast their ballots in person despite orders from the governor to stay home. We'll dive into the drama and look at what boating during a pandemic could mean for November then hydroxy chloroquine. It's very long word and also a very strong drug. That's making headlines. We'll tell you why something it can help. Fight Cove nineteen. We're here to make your evening smarter. Let's skim this okay. The cove in nineteen pandemic is a rapidly changing story with lots of moving parts. And we're going to help you sort out. What exactly you need to know starting with the three big developments of the day and the news. We're going to start with has changed a lot over the last couple of days. Wisconsin is doing what no health authorities advising in what critics call undemocratic. Wisconsin is set to hold its Democratic primary. Today the State's Democratic Governor says Republicans are forcing people to choose between their health and their right to vote. Even though Wisconsin's governor declared a state of emergency and the whole state is under orders to stay home. People are still heading out to vote in person today. So what happened in Wisconsin last week after every other state that was scheduled to vote this month? Either postponed its primary or moved to vote by mail. Only Wisconsin's governor. Tony Ever said no can do. He tweeted that he doesn't have the power to move the state's elections without violating state law. The state legislature was supposed to talk about it at a special session on Saturday but that ended after. Just a few minutes without talking about the election so the. Democratic governor tried one last ditch effort to prevent people from having to head outside to the polls during a pandemic ever issued an executive yesterday moving the election to June nine. I cannot in good conscious allow any types of gathering that would further the spread of this disease and to put more lives at risk but like ever set himself. He doesn't really have the power to do that. So the Republican led legislature challenge the order in court and yesterday evening Wisconsin State Supreme Court sided with them saying the state constitution doesn't support the governor's quote broad sweep of power. It's not clear why evers waited so long to try to move. Today's election. But in any case voters in Wisconsin who didn't apply for absentee ballots. Or who didn't get in the mail yet. Had to leave their homes and head to the polls. The state says it's taking precautions. For example there are limits on how many people can be in the polling station at once. Voters also have to use hand sanitizer before they both and polls are supposed to have markers so voter stay sick speed away from poll workers. Unfortunately those precautions will probably make voting take longer especially since a lot of poll. Workers refused to show up to work today. The National Guard was actually called in to take their place. Holes are open until nine PM Eastern but we might not know the full results of today's election until next week when all the absentee ballots have been counted. Wisconsin is getting all the attention for voting during a pandemic today. But this is something other states have had to figure out to remember. The presidential election is just around the corner in November. Some Democratic lawmakers are saying the country should make the November election social distancing friendly and adopt universal vote by mail but President. Trump has spoken out against those proposals here. He was on Fox News last week. They had things Levels of voting that if he ever agreed to it you'd never have a republican elected in this country again. So yes voting. During a pandemic that's new and stage try to balance the future of the country with the health of constituents. They're figuring out that there's really no playbook here but we can't expect to hear about this fight over voting by mail whether that's not only possible but necessary in the future. Our second headline today involves a drug called hydroxy chloroquine. Yeah try saying that five times fast. It's a drug. That's recently been making a lot of headlines. That's because president trump has been promoting the drug as a possible breakthrough in treating cove nineteen. It can help them. But it's not gonNA hurt them. That's the beauty of it. Even as America's top medical officials urged caution about rushing on a treatment that hasn't really been tested the way it should be. But before we get into the big debate over hydroxy chloroquine. What is it exactly? I dropped see. Chloroquine is a drug approved by the FDA for treating malaria think disease spread by Mosquitos and Lupus an autoimmune disease. But it's in the news because some doctors think it might help treat Kobe. Nineteen to and they're turning to it in a pinch. Here's why some people think hydroxy chloroquine can help in March researchers in France reported that twenty cove in nineteen patients treated with hydroxy chloroquine and the antibiotic Azithromycin lead to some surprisingly good results. And even before that study was formerly published. Claims of Cova cure hit the airwaves. One lawyer went on Fox. News claiming that this Combo of drugs had a one hundred percent cure rate in that study and soon president trump started promoting hydroxy chloroquine in his Kobe. Nineteen press briefings. I may take it and I'll have to ask doctors about that but I may take it. So is hydroxy chloroquine really. The Cure trump claims. It is first off. We should say the only person used to take medical advice from about covert nineteen or anything. Really is your doctor. And that's important. Because after president trump started talking about it people started trying to find it and the results were deadly an Arizona. Man in his sixties took a form of chloroquine died after consuming it and in Nigeria health officials are scrambling to stop people from taking the drug. After at least two people were hospitalized with chloroquine poisoning. So that's obviously a red flag but that said there are some medical professionals who say this drug is worth pursuing in New Jersey. A top medical institute is starting a clinical trial of hydroxy chloroquine and AS Roma Aisin intriguing ovid patients and in Detroit. A medical system is signing up three thousand health workers to see a hydroxy. Chloroquine helps protect them from infection. Keep in mind. The FDA still hasn't approved any drugs to treat Kobe nineteen but late last month. It did grant what's called an emergency use authorization allowing hydroxy chloroquine to be given to Kobe. Nineteen patients who couldn't be enrolled in clinical trials in New York. Some four thousand patients are reportedly now being treated with the and their stories about doctors turning to this drug out of desperation in other parts of the country to and yet not everyone is on board. Some hospitals in Sweden have stopped using hydroxy chloroquine. Kobe patients after some started experiencing side effects like blurred vision and the head of the American Medical Association recently said she wouldn't prescribe the drug due to severe cardiac side effects. She literally warned quote. Your heart could stop not only that but this rush on hydroxy chloroquine could hurt. Other people whom the drug is approved treatment patients with serious conditions like Lupus are having trouble finding their medicine after the White House's promotion of the drug lead people to start stockpiling and the White House isn't just promoting it. They're buying it up. Trump says the. Us has twenty nine million pills in storage already and today trump succeeded in pressuring India to partially lift a medical export ban and send some of its stockpile to the US. Doctors are still just starting to prescribe this. Drug in large numbers and clinical trials are only just beginning but if early results from hospitals and laboratories start coming back with good news being among the first countries to load up on this drug could put the US ahead of the game which brings us or third big story of the day today. Japan declared a state of emergency to deal with the Kobe. Nineteen pandemic. Here's Japan's prime minister. Shinzo Ave and coming months until the tail with US see the Greeks Call Mate. I am consoling all the major even tokenistic so this is clearly a big deal in Japan today but it's also been a long time. Japan was one of the first countries to deal with Kobe. Nineteen cases back in January. But it's waited until April to enact these measures. So why did it take so long to get to this point for weeks? We've heard about how low Japan's infection rate was as they held off enacting stronger measures to keep people home. Many of us have had to reshape our lives in Japan. Life seems to have stayed pretty normal late last month. People were still going to view the cherry blossoms and eat impact restaurants but there were warnings that this calm wouldn't last long. Some experts have been saying testing in. Japan isn't where it needs to be. There have been fears that thousands of infected people could be walking around spreading the virus without even knowing it so far. The country has only been testing the most high risk people for weeks. The country's focused isolating clusters of infections and containing them but now they're seeing so many cases in Tokyo experts are warning the virus could be growing exponentially reports say. Japan's Prime Minister didn't act earlier because he didn't want to hurt. The economy plus Japan was scheduled to host the Twenty Twenty Olympics. This summer and there was a lot cash on the line. Some estimates said that if the Games were cancelled Japan would lose up to seventy five billion dollars. Meanwhile on Sunday after Tokyo recorded its highest number of new infections yet. A hundred and forty three new cases public health officials are warning. Things could get out of hand today. All they tried to get ahead of that by declaring a state of emergency for Tokyo and six prefectures which are kind of like steaks but think of it as a stay at home request not an order. Because he can't really order people to stay home. The constitution would have to change to give him that authority. So he's asking non essential businesses and stores to close in cancel events rather than forcing them. The severity of Japan's Kobe in nineteen outbreak might beginning late. Start and that's making the country rethink it's approach to containing the virus. It turns out it's new plan. A stay at home. Request is a lot like what we've had here in the US for weeks in some states like we said there's a lot happening right now to keep up to date on the latest news about Kobe. Nineteen head over to the SKIM DOT com slash co bit updates. Okay we're pressing pause on the latest developing stories to talk about tonight Super Pink Moon. It's going to be the biggest superman of twenty twenty super means. It's really close to Earth but the Super Pink Moon is not actually pink. It's named that way because the full moon in April is the first full moon of spring when pink wildflower are known to bloom in the US. 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Why Is Wisconsin Called the Badger State?

Aerial America

03:09 min | 5 months ago

Why Is Wisconsin Called the Badger State?

"Sore across the land of Wisconsin that it's possible to imagine that you've been transported to Europe especially here in the picturesque village of new glares. which looks like a little slice of the Alps Hills of southern Wisconsin? The town was founded in eighteen forty five by immigrants from Switzerland suffering from poverty. At home they came to America hoping to start new. You more prosperous lives today. The town's residents are proud of their Swiss heritage and traditions nearby. The new claris brewery members of a yodelers club come to bathe valley with the sounds of traditional Swiss reports. These longhorns Longhorns were once used in Switzerland by farmers to communicate with each other across remote valleys today these reports are blown just for fun and and to embrace the history of one European Community that settled this state almost two centuries ago another another group of settlers was responsible for inspiring. Wisconsin's nickname the badger state in the early eighteen. Twenty s lead was discovered in. What's now the town of mineral point when we're got out. Immigrants from Cornwall England flooded in bringing with them expertise developed working deep shaft. Tin Mines back home here on. Merry Christmas Mine Hill. They dug more than one hundred mines in their quest to reach the rich veins of let below some miners. We didn't have any place to stay. ended up using sucker holes in the earth to use his sheltered awesome. Some can still be seen from the air. These primitive dwellings recalled badger holds for the Cornish. Miners burrowed like badgers. And that's how Wisconsin -Sconsin got its nickname the badger state but the cornish were also skilled. stonemasons they corey their own limestone blocks to build these small all but sturdy cottages that still line the town streets. One street is named Shakra after local. Legend that the wives of miners here used to summon their husbands home for dinner by waving dish clouds from their doorways by eighteen. Thirty five the flood of immigrants into places like mineral point and new glamorous had pushed Wisconsin's population over ten thousand mark making it eligible to be declared a U. S. territory by Congress a sliver of land between lakes Mendota and Minoan was chosen as the site of the New Territories capital. It was named Madison in honor of the recently deceased president. James Madison ten years later in eighteen. Forty eight Wisconsin became America's thirtieth state. Madison it's new state capital.

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Serving Up Wisconsin's State Secret: The Supper Club

The Feast

47:07 min | 6 months ago

Serving Up Wisconsin's State Secret: The Supper Club

"Hi It's Laura Carlson host of the feast. And if you love listening to this show please consider rating it and reviewing on apple podcasts. All you have to do is searched for the feast. Scroll to the bottom and push five stars. It's that easy now. If you like you can even write us a note explaining exactly why you love the show. Perhaps your favorite historical recipe that we featured. We want to continue bringing you this show for free and part of our ability to do that. Means we need a big audience. It may not seem like it but rating and reviewing us. We'll help more people find the show. So remember five stars on Apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you listen you're listening to the feast where we explore the great meals that made history. I'm your host Laura Carlson. And if you've been catching our last few episodes you'll know that we've been spending a little bit of time in the Midwestern United States. I in the Windy City itself Chicago where we talked about the great history of beer in the city of alkap own with Liz Gabay founder. Of the Bruce we also talked to Dr Jennifer Jordan about the history of hops in the Mid West. Her research has taken her north to the Great State of Wisconsin. Where in the nineteenth century hundreds of women worked as hop pickers moving from farm to farm harvesting the hop cones. That would pave the way for the massive growth of the American beer industry before the year. Nineteen hundred now after all that beer. Talk on this episode. We're getting back to food. But don't worry we'll still be talking about a cocktail or two but we are staying in the great cheese filled state of Wisconsin. Where will looking at the unique and beloved tradition found throughout the Badger? State the supper club now for those of you. Who aren't from Wisconsin or haven't had the pleasure of visiting you may be asking yourself. What on Earth is a supper club? Well there's not exactly a faster. Easy answer to that. Question is at a restaurant. Well yes in the sense that it has a menu and it serves food and drinks but is it a club. Well no not really in that. You don't have to be a member to go but Wisconsin. Supper clubs are all about being social being part of a community. Supper clubs are about the people you recognize when you get your favorite spot friends. You've known all your life. The third generation family. That's so running the place after all these years. Supper clubs are often a trip back in time with amazing architecture. Straight out of the nineteen fifties and sixties with buildings shaped like giant Pyramids or Ski Lodges or even spaceships in an era of celebrity chefs. Fast casual chains and meal delivery services available at the touch of a button may be hard to imagine an entire state where people drive out of town to go to pyramid shaped restaurant to enjoy a nice brandy based cocktail relish tray. Fried fish and prime rib we're the host you linger at the bar for hours before even thinking of seating you for dinner where you might know everyone in the restaurant including the owners where you might be back in a few days time to repeat the whole process all over again. This magical world exists my friends. It exists in the separate clubs of Wisconsin now for many years. The uniqueness of Wisconsin supper clubs flu largely under the radar. Think of it as one joint state secret you might argue that during the nineteen fifties and sixties of course many restaurants across the United States. We're very similar in style to what I'm describing with a cocktail lounge out front. A focus on big meals with straight forward fair largely family owned and operated but that era of restaurants has largely faded from view in many parts of the country except in Wisconsin and for a while those Dairyland folks were keeping their supper club secret. Pretty well well. The secret might be finally getting out the supper. Clubs of Wisconsin have started attracting the attention of foodies food historians and even a few copycat restaurants around the United States. You can now find Wisconsin esque supper club. In Minnesota one just opened last year in Chicago's Fulton market. And even the Turks in a Wisconsin. Supper club once found in Hayward Wisconsin reopened in an epicenter of hipsterdom. Bushwick Brooklyn. When that happens well you know you have a dining trend on your hands if we have to name some of the folks who helped bring the popularity of the supper clubs to a wider national attention. One woman we could not forget to mention. Is Holly Reuter? Who produced directed edited the film about this Iconic Dairyland. Dining tradition called old fashioned. The story of the Wisconsin. Supper club the film which was released in two thousand fifteen help to let the other forty nine states plus of course the international dining scene in on the well kept secret. That is the Wisconsin Supper Club. What its history is. And what makes it so unique amongst America's restaurant culture late last fall in two thousand nineteen I was able to talk to holly about her film. And the incredible amount of research into fish fries relish plates and Brandy Alexander's that went into making it. I reached her. In where else Wisconsin to chat a bit about the documentary and why she chose to let the rest of us in on this dining tradition of her home. State My name is Holly D. Writer. I'm a documentary film producer and I currently work at. Pbs Wisconsin in Madison Wisconsin. I learned about you and your work through the fantastic documentary The old fashioned. The story of the Wisconsin Supper Club and I get the impression. Just you know doing a bit of a Google Search That you are a native of Wisconsin. Wisconsin Wisconsin yes. Yes so I'm from. The Green Bay area grew up in Oneida. Wisconsin and I lived in Wisconsin my whole life and not until I left for college and that was the first time that I experienced living outside of the Great State of Wisconsin. But then Have since moved back. Yep Yep I actually have been back in Wisconsin for a year now working for PBS Wisconsin. And I'm really happy to be back in my home state when I left. I didn't think much was going to change. You know I was still in the mid West kind of believed the the lie that people tell US midwestern. There's nothing special about us. We're not different so I didn't think life in Chicago would be that different which is going to be a big city and I got down there and there were no fish fries. Nobody's going for fish. Fries on Friday night. I thought that was weird. And then Chicago's known for its extensive dining scene but they had every type of restaurant but no supper clubs and brandy brandy was not anywhere to be found a staple in Wisconsin. So I started to notice that There's there's a lot of things about Wisconsin that make it really unique and different and I. I found myself missing those things and I. I certainly can understand why. I've I'm not from Wisconsin. But I visited. Wisconsin is some good friends who live over there and all the things that you've mentioned in obviously the supper clubs the fish fries the brandy. Of course were things that you know. I I had just never known. Were part of Wisconsin culture and such a strong part of Wisconsin and culture. I mean they really were. I mean I was lucky enough to visit in the summer so The fish fries were these great things that everyone was at doors. Kind of hanging out Obviously on Friday and just having a great time catching up with everyone. Oh Yeah it's a great way to end the week and it's never question if you're going out for fish fry. The question is where you're going out for fish. Cry Always a big decision. Because you know you might like one place because they serve potato pancakes with their fish and you really liked the potato pancakes or you might like the other place. Because you know they serve perch you know so There's small changes like that. That kind of influence where you WANNA go for your fish fry. Yes I can understand. And would you say the same thing applies to the supper club as well that You know you have your favorite. But then depending on what you're feeling perhaps for one evening or another evening you would go to a different supper club because they just feature a different Slightly different than you. Shall we say yeah? That's that's totally true. Th- Some supper clubs We'll have more of an ethnic menus. There might be a German theme separate clubs so they're going to definitely have that surf and turf focused. Menu was some beef steaks and some seafood. But then they're also going to feature some German dishes. But yeah it depends. Some supper clubs are really known for their prime rib. So if you're in the mood for prime rib you're going to go there and a Saturday night so superclubs. They're all very similar but they definitely have the those specialty items that they just do extra extra well and I feel like I want to talk. Obviously about your your decision to make a documentary celebrating this fantastic dining tradition of Wisconsin. But I was hoping maybe you could just give for folks who maybe haven't seen the documentary and are not from Wisconsin. Kind of just a really short sketch of what you would say defines a supper club. Okay this is one of the hardest questions the people not in a separate club because in general they'll have the same skeleton makeup but they might do things slightly different but what I look for when I'm looking at us for a separate club Usually only open in the evening for dinner family owned and operated so when you're walking through that door there's a family member either you know greeting you as you walk in or behind the bar or in the kitchen. They're usually in rural places. There definitely still in some cities but it's more of a destination restaurant so you often find yourself driving to one so you got family owned and operated Unique architecture so a lot of them will have themes that might play off Like if they're in Northern Wisconsin. They'll have a log cabin theme or sometimes they're made more to look like Individuals homes because you're kind of separate clubs gives you this feeling that you're walking into someone's home. Sometimes architecture might be very simple or it could be very flamboyant to Give you that feeling of travel That feeling that you're going somewhere different. And then the supper clubs. Important thing about separate clubs. It's not about just dining and dashing. You're there for the evening so there's does it needed bar area. There's a designated dining area and when you walk into a supper club you're going to the bar you're GONNA sit down. You're GONNA have a drink and you're not just going to talk to the people that you came with. You'RE GONNA talk to everybody that's around you because the supper club is really about Connecting with other people and You know celebrating. It's the weekend or maybe you're out celebrating a special occasion and and then you go out. You have Your dinner and a lot of supper clubs. They won't see you until you request to be seated 'cause again it's falling into that feeling of Slow you know. Enjoyable night out no rushing and then after you get done dining you often return to the bar and usually have an excuse me an ice cream. Drink just to cap off your night and again more socializing and a Lotta another important part of supper clubs is. It's a lot of homemade food. It's family recipes passed down generation to generation often. If Somebody Buys Supper Club that comes with recipes because it is such a part important part of its make up. So it's this isn't your typical you know Chain restaurant food experience. It's unique food unique restaurant with homemade touch. Wow that's that's fantastic. And I I loved in the documentary. You do go through Or One of the the folks that you interviewed does kind of go through the various and kind of varieties of main courses You know starting as you said with the bar and then there's usually often up. I'm I might be saying it wrong but like a relish tray. I Rela Stray. Yeah Okay Yeah and I mean I'm imagining that is is like pickles and cheese and Hurrell trees are common thing that you see at supper clubs. Sometimes you do have to request them because they won't bring them out just because they're trying to cut back on food waste but a rally trays typically made up of you know. There's so much raw vegetables like carrots and celery maybe some cheese spreads maybe Pickled beets at all kind of depends on the supper club in what they want to present you Sometimes it's seasonal too. You know if it's summertime you might have cucumber salad in that Relish tray sometimes. They're really simple. Sometimes more complex but it again. It's like superclubs. They're all very similar in is they're all very similar as they'll have something in common like the relish tray but it's the owners interpretation of the relish tray and would they wanna serve that makes it unique right right and as you were saying. There's a little bit of variety that you know. They often will fit a very very general. I don't WanNa say mold that. Let's say they fall under the same umbrella but obviously subject to variation depending on as you said each owner or the ambiance. They're going forward the style they're going for. That will have a have a big impact on it. I love to talk about. I definitely want to come back to the bar. Trust me on this one but I because I feel like that is gonNA take us down this wormhole where we're GONNA be talking about Brandy for about thirty minutes. So before we dive into kind of the drinks and the iconic brandy Just role that it plays in Wisconsin. Kinda bar culture I was hoping because what I found so fascinating. Obviously I'm historian. I love the history angle of things and certainly has been an institution for many decades in Wisconsin. I was really fascinated watching your documentary about really the earliest origins of the supper club. And I hadn't really connected it before my mind. About the influence of prohibition and kind of that transition from tavern culture to kind of speak easy culture to then kind of the acceptability of drinking culture after prohibition ended and particularly the acceptance of women in these kinds of institutions and I was just hoping you might touch on a little bit of that story. Yeah that's that's a really fun story. Time Line that you just laid out where You know you have these taverns. But then you have prohibition hit so then the TAVERNS Kinda had a poll people back in so they started serving food a Lotta Times. That was the fried fish because it was cheap and it was like sensible. 'cause we're in Wisconsin? There's water everywhere and then under the table they would serve their patrons. You know some Some alcoholic drinks. They had that they had to get them in the door. And then After prohibition they're all these species you know they. They needed to change with time so then they started to serve food along with the alcohol and then the separate club became a place where women it was. Okay for women to come out and drink. Because before prohibition women were allowed in Taverns it was a place just for men. So with prohibition ending women were they had gotten used to being able to go and drink and the supper club was a place that allow them that freedom to come out and be in public and be able to drink because it was seen as a place. It wasn't just seen as a bar restaurant absolutely again. It's something that I just never pieced together in my mind but of course just by where Wisconsin is slightly close to shall we say Canada during prohibition Which you know perhaps made it a little bit easier to access some of that illegal alcohol on the other side of the border but then you know depending on where you are in the state you might be slightly closer to say Chicago. Which of course has this whole other history of like Moonshine and illegal Alcohol buying and selling and speakeasy and all that kind of fun stuff so it does make sense that you know there was. Shall we say ample supply if people were interested in getting a drink? During prohibition that speakeasy would be would be a thing in Wisconsin? Oh Yeah for sure. Wisconsin was definitely not respecting. What was it the Eighteenth Amendment? It was well known in some communities that the police officers would turn their eye against the you know were okay with people brewing their own beer and stuff they were just. Don't sell it kind of thing so it was Kansin. I think in the piece we talk about how we're the land. Somebody called us the land of the West Yeah especially with those gangsters coming up. to Wisconsin. There was no. We were not in short supply at all. Yeah and so. It does seem that. Like after prohibition ends and you have the transition to almost more like a family friendly like focused approach to kind of get now women of course in but also whole families into into these institutions for obviously not just a drink but this whole dining and socialising experience and I was just wondering you know the the supper clubs that you and I watched the credits and you went to like thirty or forty separate clubs that look like for researching this this documentary were. They all did a lot of them. Date from this. Like Nineteen Forty. Shall we say Nineteen Fifties Or are we are kind of already on the second or third wave of supper clubs Do do a lot of them date to that kind of first period of transition. Yeah there definitely was a good handful of them that had been around since that time and they're passed on generation to generation so There's definitely that but there's Especially recently a resurgence. In Interest. In supper clubs. So there's been a lot of new so separate clubs opening. That's definitely stick to the traditions. You know homemade food family owned and operated usually only open in the evenings but you know putting a new twist on it You know focusing on that surf and turf and flew into the menu I mean what was the average age of them? Shall we say Were most of them. Kind of forties and fifties or we looking more institutions that you know maybe eighties or nineties. I would say a good handful of them were on their second or third going on their third generation. So they they they did date back to those early supper club years but there was also a number of them that You know that maybe. The family bought them in the eighties or nineties New Family might have taken over a separate club so there was a good variety of separate close from different time periods but there still are a good number of separate glimpse at our from that original. You know separate club heyday And again as we're talking. And I'm I'm thinking about this whole transition from kind of under the table speakeasy culture And then something you already mentioned and you touch on in the documentary as well. The the rural nece That is a feature of supper clubs and I'm wondering do you think I mean totally in your own opinion? Do you think that this rural element Or characteristic of the supper club dates from this maybe speakeasy under the table Era. Where you know. You didn't want to know where the speakeasy was so that. Maybe the you know the the one cop that was gonNA chase you down for having alcohol. They couldn't find you. Oh Yeah Yeah. It totally was about being outside the city limits so it always came into question who share durst chicken diction was that you know who. Who has the authority to go out there? Enforce the law Nobody's out there. So it's it was all about being You know the outskirts of town you know he can do what you want. Then out there. And then the separate club can't was kind of born out of the speakeasy so it came at the perfect time because right as a separate clubs were kind of emerging from the speakeasy. So was the car culture in America where people were looking to you know. Take their cars out for a ride in the country and several club made the perfect destination. Yeah I love that I. You had some great footage in the documentary of people getting in You know the giant Cadillac or their Chevrolet and going out for you know when people still went out for a drive on the weekend that you really had no purpose in driving. It was just for the sheer enjoyment of the drive. And then maybe on the way back or maybe like you know you're one destination would be as part of this experience. Okay you're going to have a meal and kind of a social experience at at Supper Club. Yeah for sure. And that's definitely something that I think. People Wisconsin still enjoy people. Enjoy getting off the main roads. You know the main highways and getting on the back roads and stumbling upon supper club. They didn't even know existed. You know and talking to people. They've never met so. That's something that I personally even enjoy it just going for that Sunday drive and seeing where you end up trying something new and it seems like again. I'm not. I'm not sure if you you mentioned this in the documentary. I'm just thinking about it is that these are places that don't really need to buy billboards or they're not relying on social media advertising that this is still you know about a supper club because word of mouth essentially. Oh Yeah for sure You know separate clubs if they do advertisements only you know local bulletin or you know that's pretty much it but a lot of it is word of mouth they don't they don't need to spend that money in advertising and I think that is the best kind of advertising people. Want to go where you know. They're friends as a good spot. So they're just part of the community too. That's another big thing is a lot of people will have Meetings they'll host like You know Lines meetings you know. Different organizations will meet at the Supper Club. They'll let them use their space for that. A lot of people you know their major life events rotate at the Supper Club. You know Bridal SHOWERS DINNERS POST. You know after a funeral Lot of the things are centered around the supper club in the community and because it's part of the community. There's no need to do all that advertising right and I thought it was such an interesting flexibility in some ways in that you know there's a community that may be built up or associated with a specific supper club. But that doesn't necessarily mean that you only can go to this upper club. You certainly are welcome to go on in a different direction on your next Friday. Drive or Saturday drive. And that's not seen as you know betraying your your one. True Supper Club that you're you're encouraged to go in and try out different variety. Shall we say oh yeah? I think everybody expects that Often people will have that one separate club you know they find themselves at the most because it might be closest to where they live or something but often other superclub owners are in interested in knowing you know. Hey did you go check out this other Supper Club? And they'll talk about it and It's just a very calm in accepting thing here. There's they're not very competitive and I think what also I found really interesting. I think this ties back into as you were saying. The the rise of the car culture kind of maybe around the fifties and the sixties and these becoming destinations onto themselves at a lot of them seem to still the buildings themselves. And you were talking about this earlier evoque this. There's totally a word for it. But let's just say unique architecture that either as you were saying they. They're constructed to look homey like look like someone's personal home or they look like a pyramid or something else entirely that you would not be expecting to find in rural Wisconsin on the side of the road. They allow these places are offer roads and they need to catch people's eye so they're gonNa have that Nice flashing neon sign at the end of their driveway. Or they're gonNA have that really unique architecture that causes you to just be like what was that. I need to go there if that looks like fun. Yeah I would love to know you know you mentioned Psalm but why is your kind of stand out supper club architecture that you just thought well this is just the Wacky supper club design. I've seen yet Do you want one. That's still open or can I talk about ones that of Clo- any of them. I'm just fascinated because I love the idea that there are these pieces of architecture out in Wisconsin that like. Hey Yeah we're gonNA build a pyramid and it's going to be separate club. Yup so that is one the Pyramid Supper Club. That's in Beaver Dam Wisconsin. It is as far as I know right now. Still closed but that was a great example of. You're driving to the cornfields of Wisconsin. You're like where's the supper club and then suddenly a pyramid appears out of nowhere. So you have once like that. There's also another closed supper club. It's no longer supper club but it is a music. Venue is called the Gabler Supper Club in Turkey. Farm are separate club and it is I want to describe it as spacious like a saucer like a flying saucer shape and then the windows are Kinda like an I shape. I guess they were designed to look like Turkeys. I and the inside was decorated with like those Turkey print on The carpeting going and it was very extravagant If you just Google Gablers separate club. There is a whole website dedicated. A memory of the gablers because it was so unique and different But one that's still open. I would say as far as just having this really fun. Retro look to it is the Hobnob and then on Lake Michigan between racine and Kenosha. And you walk in there. You feel like you step back. Until the nineteen sixties. They've really maintained that building. It's just this great retro feeling. You feel like you're an episode of mad men So that one it's not so much Crazy theme but it just of really took hold of that original feeling of the supper club and really invested in it. So That's another great supper club. They've just decided we're going to preserve this moment this decade in time and just not change at all. That's wonderful I have to ask I know it's closed now but I don't know if you know was I have to imagine Turkey on the menu at the Gablers menu item. I would have been so disappointed like you had this whole like. Turkey focused supper club and no Turkey on the menu. Okay that makes me feel a lot better before we get back to the show. I WanNa tell you about another great food. Podcast lunch therapy now. 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I feel like you know I'm I'm ready to open the big box that is brandy and Of course you titled The documentary the old fashioned so I think that that indicates the The prominence shall we say of this particular cocktail to the Supper Club institution and I was hoping maybe to just kick us off describing the unique twist on what many would consider to be the the classical fashion versus a Wisconsin old-fashioned which I feel like me itself. Be a dangerous thing to say What is the classic versus the Wisconsin? Yes and I like that you notice. The title of the film. Old-fashioned is kind of a play kind of has double meaning has got the you know of course like you mentioned the old fashioned cocktail but also the old fashioned feeling of somebody's supper clubs. You know when you go to the separate clubs. It's like going back in time into a different world that no longer no longer exists. Unless you're a supper club old-fashioned Wisconsin. Fashions are pretty unique. We make most brandy. And then if you ordered one in Wisconsin they're gonNA assume you brandy and then they're going to ask you sweeter so her and the referring to the soda. Mix that you want to go into your old fashioned. So sweet would often be like a seven up and then sours like Sour Soda Or Sour Mix so when you come to Wisconsin and if you order an old-fashioned you're going to get a drink that's nothing like the classic old fashioned cocktail. Most people are familiar with well. I mean I remember when I visited my friends in Wisconsin. I asked that exact question. You just mentioned the sweet sour which of course I have not ordered many old fashions in my life but you know the I have ordered them enough to not be expecting that question outside of Wisconsin and so kind of on a whim I said Sour and I will say having tasted this hour and then tasting. The sweet sour was a little bit of a shock to the sense. I can see why the sweet personal preference but I can see why this week maybe is. The more popular choice is one considered older or kind of associated with more. You know the baby. Boomer's love this hour whereas the new kids love the sweet or how have both been equally loved and treasure as far as you know? Yeah it's just I think they're equally loved and treasured. I agree with you though that I think the sweet complements the brandy a little bit more. 'cause BRANDIES PRETTY SWEET. I think brandy old fashioned. Sweet is the more popular one. But they're still definitely good. I'm on people like Sour. People are getting a little They're experimenting a little bit more with their old fashioned suit and some people are even moving away from brandy and using Bourbon. Now bears a small movement of that. We know urban old-fashioned but still made the Wisconsin Way with the Soda added. So Oh my goodness and I feel like this. This opens up the box of you know an I. Maybe I missed it in the documentary. But why why is brandy? You know the the go-to beverage Or I should say you know alcoholic spirit of Wisconsin. Because you know that is something. You mentioned the documentary that I love the story where folks went down to. I think like Texas or they've moved away from Wisconsin. They said well we needed to bring our brandy with us because no one else has any which you know I have to say is is one hundred percent accurate. I've rarely seen brandy on the bar back of of many many a household or restaurant except in Wisconsin which like they must be going through three bottles and night. Well a lot of people trace it back to. There was a lot of Germans here in Wisconsin and they had. They preferred their sweet liquors and Corbala particularly is really popular in the state. And they believe that's due to the fact that The world's fair was in Chicago. I think and I think it was like eighteen ninety three year. Eighteen something around that time period and a lot of people from Wisconsin went down there and Cordell booth. So there's all these Germans visiting Chicago and being introduced to this new more affordable brandy made here in the states and They started drinking and they really liked it. And it just you know that's just spread across the state and became a standard here and just took off. Yeah because I mean they're certainly of course the the beloved brandy old-fashioned But you know why was there you know brandy popped up in a bunch of different drinks again? Just not not anything that I had seen before outside of the state so I know when we were corresponding by email. You know I mentioned the Brandy Alexander. Which was something. I had never seen before and I was just wondering I mean this is obviously not something that you touched on in the documentary. But you know what what is the brandy? Alexander for Non Wisconsin resident. Shall we say well? It's a cream base cocktail. And it has brandy and cream to coco in it here in Wisconsin. Though there's a lot of these classic cocktails were made with cream but we kind of take it to the next level and make them into ice cream drinks so brandy Alexander here in. Wisconsin is going to be a vanilla ice cream mixed with cream. De Coco Brandy Sometimes they hand mix it sometimes they use blender and then they put in the glass and the F. Forget if it's like A. They put coconut on top. I think or not coconut. Sorry Cinnamon I believe is sprinkled on top. But there's always a variety of ice cream drinks to choose from when you go to a supper club. My favorite is the pink squirrel which is pinkish color and almond flavored. And if you ever go to a supper club and you want to order a drink you need to ask. How many does one serve separate clubs? We'll make more reasonable size. I drink some supper clubs. We'll make an ice cream drinks that can be shared by the whole table. Because there's also that's always fun thing Again another thing with separate clubs is there's always those standard flavors like the Brandy Alexander. The Grasshopper Pink Squirrel those handful of the classics. But then some supper clubs. They make their own you know flavors and mix combinations so that's always fun when you go to a different supper club. I went to one one time and they had one called the nut roll and I forget was in it but it was delicious. I mean it sounds delicious. All these ice cream during sound fantastic. Oh my goodness again. It makes total sense that in some ways the cream slash ice cream drinks takeoff in Wisconsin. Which is such a huge dairy state as well as you know having the cheese at the very beginning of the meal kind of coming back to the dairy roots at the end of the meal. All that's wonderful. There's so many things about the supper club in Wisconsin. That just kinda go together really well. There club was a dining trend. It was a restaurant style that was across the country You know especially after World War Two. It really took off. But it's here in Wisconsin where it really took hold in for a lot of reasons you know the fact that A lot of people went out to rural areas because of all the real worlds we had because of the dairy industry and you know And then just like the tradition the speakeasy easily transition into the supper club after that Time was over just really made it the perfect place for the supper club. Yeah and it. It has clearly endured and is still a beloved tradition. You know even though I feel like a lot of those dining elements in other parts of the country have kind of faded away and people have gone towards new food trends or new restaurant trends your new dining trends. I mean this every generation. This isn't something that only folks who were born. You know forty fifty sixty seventy years ago going to it still seems like this is a very current People who are ten twenty thirty or going to because it is still such a such a tradition such a such a fun one in a beloved one. When I first started making my phone there was not a lot of young patrons at the supper clubs and a lot of separate owners. Were telling me this is where the end of the line. Basically their clientele was dying off and one of my film came out. It took six years to make. Suddenly there was a resurgence in separate clubs. People were interested in supporting a family owned businesses local businesses businesses. That focused on Mobile Food. And so stuff. That kind of became trendy It's what the supper club has. Always you know. Local family owned restaurant A lot of people. I think we're looking for unique dining experiences which separate clubs offer. I think people got a little sick of the chain restaurants and same old same old that they offered So the Supper Club is definitely Doing a lot better than it was Ten Years Ago. And it's so funny right. How Food and restaurant trends are cyclical in that way? That you know here was something that came up in and became popular. You know as as a restaurant supposed to kind of its predecessors like speak easier tavern but a restaurant tradition say forties fifties sixties and. Then perhaps there is this concern and maybe the nineties or the early two thousands that okay. We'll trends are changing. Times are changing. People are interesting in something else That this upper club is worried about its existence. And yet here. We Are Two decades into the twentieth century and the Food Trends restaurant trends have come right back around to relieve prize again of the things that the supper club is offering a has has always been offering for sure and a lot of times when I go to screenings with the film and I talked to people both film. I just remind people. This isn't just the restaurant this is who we are. This is our culture. This represents who we are so you can't go anywhere else in the world and experience. Wisconsin superclub It's unique to us. We need to support these institutions and Make sure that they are going to be here for the next generation absolutely And you know that's what I found so Unexpected and like really lovely about visiting Wisconsin. Because I travel all over and a lot of times. You know you go to these places and it's it's the same restaurants it's the same chains. It's the same kind of giant parking. Lots at the same kind of big stores and so things kind of start to blend together after a while. And when I got to Wisconsin there. There ended up being this entire dining tradition. That was just for the tourists. And it wasn't you know this kind of invented thing. This was still a very prized tradition. You know that went beyond just like wine community or one town or one even little area it was it seemed like throughout the state really. Oh Yes supper. Clubs are definitely throughout the whole state of Wisconsin The ones that have fared the best are definitely in the more touristy areas because then it becomes a big part of people's traditions when they go up north you know they go to. There's certain supper clubs. I mean one question I wanted to ask and this is kind of touches on what we've been talking about is that they in some ways have remained very Their traditions but I feel like you. You mention a bit of this in the film. But that there are some small elements of change or that you know that. Reflect that were in twenty nineteen or twenty twenty verses nineteen hundred fifty five or nineteen sixty like is there any one trend or any one thing that you've seen in your your very vast exploration of supper clubs that you're seeing like more supper clubs start to adopt or start to kind of develop as a as a new thing in their in their institution. I guess Are there changes afoot in the supper club world? I think there are some slight changes for sure. I'm I I think what's unique about separate clubs is that they find a way to like stick to those bare bone Things that make them supper club. So the facts that You know it's a lot of fish know surf and turf on the menu. I was at a supper club in rhinelander Wisconsin. It was called three coins and they had Red Curry shrimp dish on the menu. So you got that. You know seafood element in there. But then they're bringing in some different ways of that. You know curry when you would never have seen so there's different Little things like that where people are looking at their menu. They're sticking to the traditional foods but modernizing them A lot of them are taking into account that Offering later fair because You know we aren't eating as much beef especially as we use so A lot of superclubs Adding things to the menu to appeal to people who have different diets or who are looking to Maybe step away from that heavy beef and seafood menu That was our discussion with filmmaker. Holly writer who wrote and directed old fashioned. The story of the Wisconsin Supper Club. Of course I highly recommend if you get the chance to see the film which you can buy a dvd copy or even stream online via the film's website at old fashioned. The movie Dot Com. Almost you can also sign up for the film's Supper Club newsletter where you can find out about current supper club events and news. We'll also put up some pictures of some of the great architecture interiors and Menus of Wisconsin. Supper clubs at our website the fees podcast dot org where you could also learn more about holly and her recent work a big thank you of course to holly for talking to me. And sharing her vast knowledge about the great state of Wisconsin's superclubs. The feast is written and produced by me. Laura Carlson our digital director and photographer is Mike Port music by blue dot sessions and Josh Bartman. Don't forget to check us out on Instagram and twitter at feast underscore podcast where we'll put up some extra images from our travels and discoveries about food history including of course about some of the Wisconsin. Supper clubs we mentioned day. You could also find us on facebook or sign up for our newsletter at the Feast. Podcast DOT Org. We'll be back in two weeks time with another great meal that made history. I'm Laura Carlson. And this is the feast Pod Sonic Universe.

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Wisconsin State Representative Staush Gruszynski - The Big Picture with Mark Becker

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Wisconsin State Representative Staush Gruszynski - The Big Picture with Mark Becker

"<music> everybody thank you for stowing across the first episode of picture podcast with Marc Becker. I E after much Mark Becker. I'll be your tour guide here. We go through this episode and many others one so I've actually kind of a little nervous but stumble Ju- whatever bear with me this episode one. I've got some. It's not like crazy us. You know like like George Washington crossing the Potomac to begin to see John Reagan national airport nervous but it's it's there you know so just hanging out with me <hes> for those of you who do know me. Thank you for tuning in those who do not and say who the hell is this guy. Why shouldn't you well everybody's opinion but <hes> so for the last ten years I've been involved in politics in a bunch of different ways? Locally you know city boy races helping go out and they rose to the rank of chairman of the Republican Party. Go me I had since left the party in spectacular fashion. I suppose people would say <hes> because of my just under disagreement with alive things in the party that'd be a show in and of itself a tune into that <hes> and I was also elected official here locally as well so a lot of different areas of work and the whole point of this show is to really kind of bricks and partisan gridlock bring civility and commonsense back into our political discussions so that's that's the goal I will talk about some big picture things hey look at that time and amongst many many other things so so the first guests that we have is a dude that I've known for yeah offer. I I would say ten years the first the first time I had interaction with this guy I was like the the smug by Shimmer Agron Poking Party and he was I. I I run for County Board. Yeah I was looking for Gotcha moment and I found posted on his racist or is this your signature on the recall Walker started Brzezinski it was it was it was all I got you know not really understanding of of his district director. His intentions are really that it's not a big or then. I'm a Democrat. We laid low there for a while. I was elected to the county board at we'd be became quick friends. I have absolutely of straighten collaborations for him and his family are good guy had he was reelected in ninetieth several districts representatives product. Your friends stashes ashes <unk> guests excellent. Thank you for having remark. I really appreciate it honored. It's yeah now so I still think that screen shots somewhere it says keep it in my file and the first time I met Mark Becker. There's yeah absolutely because of a file I'm Sir. I'm sure here but yeah thanks for having me. I think this is not only your first podcast with this new show. I think this is my first podcast as a state representative. Yes excited about here. I'm totally honored that you're here so reward with that dollars accountability yourself yeah sure you that so my wife and I and our daughter May live on the east side of Green Bay. I we bought an old eighteen nineties farmhouse and we love it over there here. We love the Green Bay community so I kind of have lived and worked. I in Green Bay over the last eight years. I was originally born here in Green Bay that I grew weapon mayor not just up the road country yeah yeah. It is yeah absolutely I. I ran cross country with one of his nephews way back in the day. Yeah Yeah you know. I actually think he's a democrat. That's a whole nother conversation. Yeah Yeah Fuck went to college. W Ash Crash I was political science public administration probably not shock for what I'm doing now <hes> but worked for a nonprofit for eight years I also worked on campaigns for awhile al before that work with Wisconsin Conservation voters but environmental conservation issues in the state so really working with groups in northeast Wisconsin Wisconsin to get them plugged into the legislative process damn a lot of members that aren't paid volunteers so they're not attack tracking what's going on in Madison so we get them. Plug in citizen lobbyists get them to talk to the legislators. Get them to weigh in on important issues that are happening in Wisconsin on conservation that background really kind of set me up for the work undoing today got me interested in maybe running for State Office one day and are running for the Ninetieth Assembly district which which was great. I like you said as well also served <hes> I still serving on the Brown county overnight just finishing my last term which will be my last on the county board but I mean I love local government working on a budget eh passing resolutions moving things sporting county government really kind of set the groundwork for my work at the state level as well but the closest our government's great because it's the people rights of the things that you do in local government you feel have to rack impact right so and I'm sure you probably found that part very very rewarding as well when you when you do big thanks and county government like we did absolutely so. That's a little bit of my background. I can say I I got into politics at a very young age. Sale ianna uncle that was a state representative ran for Congress a couple of times show. It seems like imigrants Kinsky family either your politics or your construction right Scott so my brother and my dad and construction both own small businesses is that's what I did every summer when I went back from College Yes oh yeah a lot of roofing siding windows all that kind of stuff by I followed that other route is well. I probably nine years old. He was running for Congress one thousand nine hundred four Newt Gingrich contract attract with America year not a great Democrats again. I think he was up against toby. Roth who was a long time incumbent at the time in the congressional national. My kinda like my first experiences nine years old kind of loved it always sat in the back of my head handing outdoor lytton Niagara Wisconsin. I Walk Impreza. I'm sure there's pictures of me. Dickerson ski for Congress Teacher Down To my knees handing out candy. Yes so the kind kind of a little bit of my background rounded yeah so you so that we search what's the that's looked big deal that oh you with your work in Wisconsin accomplishing Congress you you Kinda do what you were getting into dive Addison his antics surprise you yes so there's always something I a lot of it. I'd say didn't because I had experienced around the state alleges around the state legislature working built through the process so I always brand new in that sort of sense where <hes> you kind of had to learn like how Oh bill goes through committee and then goes to the floor and that sort of thing so I kind of had that background before which was great I would say something that surprised me when when I started and this is of both parties would say like how territorial people are certain legislation and like ideas and you know coming in. There's a new guy and their second fifteen or sixteen freshman coming in then I'll have new ideas and trying to make good change in Wisconsin and so yeah. I think that that was a little surprising partisanship of it. I mean even I worked for a group. That was non heart right. I felt like our we're GONNA counting. Board was fairmount Park Right. It's something that I kinda bring to my work in Madison. I don't believe people on the other side of the island right right right. I think folks in both sides believe people. Maybe that's not. It's not the way I grew up I. I don't think it's really northeast least Wisconsin values right so like I try to work with everybody at the end of the day we might have big disagreements about like how we get there but that's just policy and we're gonNA work right so but I think everybody kind of takes their own like personal background to this work and where they come from and kind of adult uh-huh plays a role in my state going to be right. That's why I think it's also why we get along so that's right a couple of their backgrounds El-Sayed page pretty close yeah pretty partisanship big idea okay. Let's just have this frank discussion. Democrats are not baby. Killers Republicans are not Nazis Nazis or Nazis big difference so let's just let's camper that actually it took. It took almost like I think five and a half months and like seven hours into the state budget before I think it was I it's called a baby killer yeah yes so we have some time before that happened. I mean you've got some of the stuff you just let it. Roll off your back athlon right. I really struggle with that yeah. There's there's a certain state legislature that he liked. Oh venomously like just I don't want to mention the name but his initials are Andre Jock and you know I have seen hey but for me. God I started with that like moily. Mark Becker calls up so can I just say something like we have four very extreme bells. Come up yeah yeah right. I don't know if that's what you want to dive into first-year. No let's this Jeff I mean so this is stuff that they wouldn't even pass during eight years when they had full control. It's so if you're talking about Gotcha politics takes yeah they I mean they're really trying to set the those dose door bills for Gotcha politics in my O.. Rien's the poison pill vote. It's they want. They want to say he's GonNa. He's GONNA kill babies if Donald trump what they're gonna do is the Betas born this precious little sweet UNISOM baby's GonNa be wrapped in a blanket and the doctor patient. We're GonNa talk about whether or not they're gonNA kill babies like pardon my French. What in the actual you know is that all about that's not thing and people like if you talkable hundred but it's rampant and I think you know in my conspiracy theory view I think that really this all stems from the handmaid's tale and they're like Oh Curia? That's a cool place to yeah. Let's do that okay still like I feel like if I'm doing my job right we bring in personal story as we bring stories from Moore district and I've talked to my wife about this a lot so this won't be surprising to hear that. I'm GonNa talk about this but like we had a personal scared to two weeks right right. I have a beautiful sixteen month old baby girl at home born healthy. She's awesome. She is like the the pride and joy ever lies like like she is amazing right twenty two weeks we were sitting in the emergency room right and luckily we made it through that night. We got through a safe pregnancy right at the end of it but like you start asking a lot of the questions right at that point. Am I going to have to make a decision you for my wife and my baby right that maybe my wife can't make if if things progress right or is she going to have to make a decision Asian and to me personally I can't think at any point why I would wanNA state legislator in that room making decision and you know now now that might sound tongue-in-cheek the like I don't believe we belong in any part of that decision between a woman and her doctor right and I mean those those those bills were so extreme that even me the guy in the room who is not going to be making many of those decisions like let's be eh but even being in the room could be charged like itself like if we're going to talk about like Realistic Realistic Solutions Ed Yeah and making like making sure that we lower the amount of abortions in Wisconsin. There's a lot as long as we keep Oh my God right to be serious about it and we don't want it to be like you know a Gotcha sort of political moment the other ways that we could lower that is not fun planned parenthood shocker but that's a darn good where you know. I'll let you said another Democrat Mayor Peach who my wife absolutely doors I think he's dude so he had a really good way to put this. They asked him about some of the the Gilliat Rob Alabama here those type of laws that refined down the road awed twenty weeks after twenty weeks. These are people who gets what like six percent of abortions really liberty love it. It's these are people that have any doubt they probably have a nursery rider. In there are plan. You know these are people that hat got some credibly devastating news that you have sickness and you carry the pregnancy to term you will die or something affordable and say who do you want making that decision. You your wife and your doctor forever Jacques. I mean I know who I trust with those things and I yeah I can't even imagine heavyweights position still had a crew to set up that point uh-huh so I think the room was painted but yeah I know that's a perfect example of even when we were in gene at twenty two weeks. You have all that stuff like you're already talking about names right here like you. You've made a decision in your life that you were moving forward with this and you're committed into it and you're excited and you're excited down. Yeah okay all right so I awesome is the first one so yes so yeah. You know that that's what we may have went down the rabbit hole <unk> over how how do you fight that well. I don't know if it's a so I think it's a larger conversation picture time to. I feel like we're differ place in government right right. We're in Split Code so what's not historical context of that show. It's been a while right. I think the last time was under the administration right and like what I tried to talk to people about just about historical context last accession. I think they pass something like seven hundred bells right. That's a number I keep Kevin bandied about during split government the last time I think they passed like less than eighty bills right put in context right traditionally size don't work together is frequently government right but you have a you have a check now right and that's what I would say like. How do you fight backing that we would governor that veto those bills right and they wanted to do that? They unwanted but like that's how you hold the line right. You have governor now that has that veto power right and has a different set of values than the folks accent bells right so I also like to say just because there may be fewer bills passed. I don't believe that we can't still do big things. I look back. At last time we had split government. They'd has a Great Lakes compact right. Huge implications were natural resources and water. I think there's only like I hand full. Representatives voted against it. Big bipartisan support put protections for the Great Lakes across the country so but like we can still do big things too and I'm a believer in well so good segue talks about the Great Lakes Compact at Environmental Environments Issues I listen to there's an interview with the the local lower talk talk show host uh-huh whoa heart whatever he's terrible on ener. You can't single say he's awful very bad Beta right Totally different guy now yeah anyway yeah no so the represented that was iron days ago talked about how Tony Verse Terrible <hes> and how he cut nitric testing for Bay okay which which has vacations for the people that he wanted to have <hes> the struggle with water which Andrea we're not audrey today but you know as Caleb so pointed out you screw at many times so so you're not talking about environment in the budget and how yes so I I'm serving. I'm alive Paulie Task Force so you we are going around the state. I'm excited about that work. I think it's long overdue Iraq status by Nice. It is does not have that feeling I know we're going to deny when we go round like your we have I think twelve an hour thirteen hearings around right when we go to each one of these areas we're hearing different water-quality she right so it definitely definitely does not have that rockstar feeling your people that are coming in that have real world concerns about their water in a in two thousand nineteen in the state of Wisconsin right and not being able to trust the water at their tap right so <hes> it doesn't matter we start in South West Wisconsin. They've had a couple a couple of studies that were released where you have like forty percent of the wells contaminated with nitrates and a single area of the State of Wisconsin where you I mean there's huge issues where like we talk about birth of Acts <hes> Blue Baby Syndrome and like nitrates on their bad for pregnant women in the state. I mean they're telling people not I mean even if you think you might be one of those areas and you're well might still be fine. I take risks. I mean think about that in Wisconsin in two thousand nineteen right so why were the heart of the state we go to different areas or we're going to different areas and we're getting different issues so you might have a nitrates himself West Wisconsin middle of the state central Seines area so it's about war qua- quantity right there on a straws is it in the drink there right so you have stuff like little plover the classroom trout stream drying up in the summer right so impacts axe but then we're going to go up to Marinette and that's going to be about APPS and it's going to be about the back forty nine. What does P P poly floor? I like there's Lawan name that I have a hard time pronouncing but these are like chemicals they have been <hes> in there for example with tyco firefighter firefighting. They're like washing that right down into the city miserable sewer right so and then yeah but like at that time for the decades that it was happening they in what was right like this is something that's been recently on the radar. I would say though that they probably known for the last five years. Here's a I'd have to go back and look at the the report but they've known for a while that it's bad right so I think that's why we're we're trying to be aggressive and say much later the jury now on that issue so I sent her hands and I have a bill called the clear act that we're working on that would set out some of the most aggressive live benchmarks for PFAFF's in the country would set we need even just set like the trump administration punt on even exciting no standard now he pops yeah yeah so so we should do that. As a state we should be an environmental leader have been in the past right yeah absolutely so that bill would also hope hold polluters accountable maybe for their for their contamination in the community the people who can't trust the wire coming out of their tap right cell and I think that's a a big frame for me with the wire quality task force in general we have some good actors right and we should make sure that we're supporting those good actors right and we hear this a lot from in the farming community right. Were not all bad actors. There's some of us good that are out. There need help you now. We need cautioned or need these things that help well especially when you look at what's happening with the mystery right now like it series in Wisconsin. I I remember when you were on there with the cle- backers yeah. It was at two years ago farm that had like I mean they're they're drainage. System was amazing just the stuff that's out there yeah and those things cross mine. Hell yes so we gotTA. We're GONNA make sure that we're helping the good actors get across the finish line in my experience though we're not doing we're doing very little to hold the bad actors accountable right so like right now the state of Wisconsin there is now no regulation that says if you have a laundry list of violations that you can't expand in operation or Cavo concentrated animal feeding operation right to me. That's that's just not realistic. It's not good I mean if if you're a good actor absolutely I can see that right but like we should be doing common sense things to hold back bad actors accountable in Wisconsin so to get back like to bring it back to maybe some of the comments the governor's budget would I would say that joint finance when they took the governor's budget they didn't meet the same requirement of scientists for these these squeaky clean water initiatives in the D._N._r.. That the governor had so he had higher level for funding those positions in traditionally additionally over the last eight years they have you know got it out molly parts of these departments right so like at the very least like we have to have the people that came administrate and regulate and make sure that they're doing their due diligence otherwise you're just letting people oriented job show they didn't meet the governor's proposal when it comes to actually funding scientists they they when it comes to the county conservationists genus like the boots on the ground the people that go out into the fields and working directly with farmers who make good change right they didn't funded at the level or the responsibility ability to the state has had or Sunday would write compared to governor over budget right so like there's a laundry clean water. They got like forty million dollars out of clean water initiatives right so like there's all these examples that you can go through that I would say they're not even they're not even coming close as to what the governor proposed for Con- for Conservation or transportation or health care or all these other areas where now that we have split government and we have a governor on another party like he said on a bold vision that put out a new Gulf coast right right so I would say kind of in this process assis right. They've been pushed a little bit to the signer and I think that's good. I think Oh yeah all Wisconsin but like they should be shocked when like he does some things because you know they they definitely do even halfway right yeah yeah and was with maps that are out there. We'll talk sorry about that in a second but they don't have to unfortunately girl these poison pills so you can imagine healthcare yeah. Let's hit on that yeah so I think it was one of the biggest sticking points of this budget and your your recovery Republican. What do you like to use <music> former? Still you're still pretty moderately conservative. I mean but I am getting to this like tell me what part of this doesn't sound fiscally responsible like turnovers and fiscal conservative but he also understands that you fiscally conservative sometimes. You have to do things that cost that costs money right. I'm like yeah you know and that's that's where I've asked you know in a Republican would I like they. I would say just on everything sure so great example this so we refuse Medicaid expansion dollars in this budget right and to me it was the biggest sticking point of this whole budget because you talk about like what we could do leverage dollars back to Wisconsin more effective so I'm by refusing that Medicaid expansion we are missing out on Energie one point six billion in federal funds so we're losing a billion dollars yes so we said a billion dollars every year tickets just on just over two billion or just under two billion biannually neely to Washington D._C.. Right in our federal tax dollars go to Department of Revenue. Just put out this study right so billion dollars. A year goes to in Washington D._C.. formattings right those attacks in the state right so I don't now yeah and it's not like it's not like those does that money isn't being spent even under the trump administration right so like they're spending that for Medicaid expansion in other states right. It's not like there is holding onto that money money right so to me. I don't know what's fiscally responsible about not wanting our tax <unk> back to Wisconsin right in so like the whole farce of this all right is that it's not like they don't believe in some of this expansion because they expanded to one hundred percent of the poverty line they did that under Governor Walker this this would go to one thirty eight and when they did that they didn't call it welfare expansion right likely doing right now Sir Henry more and more opportunity right so in the Saturday's Languid yeah exactly so <hes> I mean we're talking about people that are working right like these are people that are like twelve thousand seventeen thousand dollar wage right that the very little for an individual major that on the marketplace is going to be able to afford a premium isn't going to be able to afford medication right like this is really what but the Medicaid system in mind is built for to help working class poor right emad bracket. That's why we those expansion dollars there right so when you hear all like welfare expansion like these people aren't working right or you know at home in the countries of people are working forty forty hours a week are getting a low page a low wage job right that are struggling to make it we tweak right right so to me. It made a a lot of sense right but the problem far sobat office when we talk about all these other things when we talk about education funding you talk about transportation funding when we talk about some of these environmental programs that were cut their back filling the Medicaid system in Wisconsin in the hundreds of millions of dollars like three hundred fifty million dollars back filled in the state budget. That's money that we could be using all of these other areas because we refer US bruce rose transportation 'cause we used to take that money right that ours we're sending right so dr so so it's Armani but because in the previous administration ruled article and so they're standing on their principles ripples but they went some of obamacare show because I bill on the floor of the state assembly which I voted with Republicans on was preexisting conditions protect Oh that's right yeah so like <hes> they believe in some of Obamacare. They're not going to say out loud by I mean I'll say they support or pre existing conditions right but there's other parts of that that program that are really wildly successful universe yeah exactly like keeping your kids on healthcare right certain age right twenty four so why accepted widely popular new original acts something. There's a lot of parts of popular breakdown so well you know I think that also is is the difference between a Republican Democrat. You know the Republicans WanNa take that bill in burned to the ground and what God bless John McCain eh one vote away from doing it but I think they felt that this last election cycle right. Oh my cow Butler was right unless you don't bring it up is the first major vote on the floor in the state assembly for pre existing right right if you don't feel that even with the Jerry Wisconsin right so so you don't do that in electing Governor Tony has moved the needle right because it has so but yeah and like I think the other thing to just about the Medicaid expansion because I hear from colleagues on the mission right like well we have obamacare obamacare now like that exchange was built just deport people under one hundred thirty eight percent of the poverty line right and went just to be clear clear because everybody thinks one hundred thirty eight percent of the pond poverty line. Oh my God that's a ton of money like seventeen thousand dollars a year for jobs right. It's not a ton of money right so this past in red states. It's passed a blue states they passing Indiana with my hands right and they did a little different version of it but they're still taking federal. Medicaid is right so like we have the opportunity to leverage of big amount the money to do more things in Wisconsin in you know maybe fund some of these smaller projects that got line item veto but if you don't meet the governor at least halfway on some of these major policies it's pretty tough when you look at the big picture of the state budget right. I'M GONNA keep working at in there so so let's talk about the big picture I mean what what we have right now. Retirement split governments right at we have districts that are so screwed up so backwards that you know the speaker of the Assembly has the nerve to stand out in in front of God everyone and Tell Gordon headset. He's basically irrelevant and you know and they don't feel that they needed. I did too to be halfway. Even though I mean what wasn't like Republicans won four shift forty seven percent of open they won a sixty seven percent of the seats. I mean for a large part of the state representative government does not exist. There was a huge wave in Wisconsin and Democrats still lost. I mean yes. It picked up some seats but I mean your year. It was is going in here really really really bad. I'm gerrymandered starts right like like I. There's a reason why I'd like difficult because it's not like there's a reason why I was unopposed this last cycle right but a scaredy now uncleaner. I'm in a gerrymander destroyed by my for my first go route at helping US state candidate was in the eighty eighth during the All idiots was to the east side agreed there was there was a two ords in the west side. Yeah yeah it. I have to check this but I know at least for the last sunrise like never cross the river right like I may be the first rep for the ninetieth district in a long time. That's on the east side of the river. Yes So van Roy was before our new mayor got but aw yeah no big thing so yes so like you look at the lines right now and I had a near West side Near East side I'd agree by but they've really kind of consolidated that democratic though right into one district so they could make districts around it a little more Republican hopkin right. That's the cracking packing of redistricting right and being in a safe district. I absolutely support redistricting reform in Were at least get that off the plate that we have some more moderate district so you said that you talk about the Republicans not meeting the governor. They don't don't give it you know and <hes> his I remember it will junkies you neighbor sure and the first the first race he ran and that was two thousand kids and they re district which I think really funny we district. There was a first attempt to get jock out of the legislation. Even they can't against it. I I the draw out of his own district. Whatever but anyway yeah so so I remember seeing that but I know until some of the transformation type things that I've gone through what that process was like to draw those districts you know like meeting at all hours of the night in the locker room and bring it to the floor. You know twenty twenty minutes before the district's here you go and vote like what the hell yes so like anytime think it's stress. It's a conversation. I should've like anytime we use. Chef and government probably should be transparent. <hes> probably get as many stakeholders involved as possible right like firm believer those things <hes> didn't happen in that process right. That's so yeah no but like fundamentally in you look at what the Supreme Court did I mean to me they punted tapan right but they left it up to state legislator legislatures to solve the problem right they did they put the ball in our court and I think it does. It does a disservice to stop talking about it because that's right. They will take action so like we should continue need a bike for another thing that was governor everts budget that was taken out by join finance right so but I don't think we should stop the narrative or staff after discussion that it's important to the state of Wisconsin and we are going to get redistricting. That's going to happen twenty twenty two so what that that process looks like now is like a whole nother conversation but yet like I think it's going to be good for Wisconsin when that happens twenty point twenty two so we'll get a step up for that now. I I WANNA go back a little bit shown in the discussion about healthcare. You talked about poverty align people working one of the things that <hes> that is in your all sorts of different articles people are talking point how Tony vers removed funding for drug testing people that are on welfare and how he's you know cutting work requirements for welfare recipients and everything the guy. They WanNA touch on that a little bit shirt shirt what what's still like. There's a ton of studies out there that show that's not fiscally responsible for a state to drug test welfare recipients right like if you believe in making sure that they don't catch enough people to make the program actually pay for itself right so at the end of the day. What does that mean that like. Where is your to me like if you're not catching enough people with the program? It's not that big of an issue right. What what is that same moral compass like. Why are we doing it right so I like even just from fiscal title fiscal responsibility it. Doesn't it doesn't make sense right now. The thing that I continue here about and we got a bunch of Tours Business Tours local nonprofit the Prophet tour is a tour a bunch of the homeless shelters here in Green Bay is well. I think that's part of being a state rap as being active back in your district Turkey first six months of really tried to do that but like I continue to hear whether it's from Church groups whether it's homeless shelters folks that are working gene with people that are disenfranchised in our community homeless in the community that we have done this huge benefits cliff in the state of Wisconsin right so they have have made it like they WanNa talk about Democrats trapping people in cycles of poverty like they have made it over the last eight years that you get to a certain wage wage like there's a cliff like all of your benefits fall off with the state and there is now kind of long offramp right and studies show that increase the off ramp and you slowly walk folks off those benefits. You're going to have people that are going to be paying into the system again that are going to be active members of their community again right so like that should be the goal at the end of the day. I also set them up for success right so but like there's like got a three to four hour gap that when you lose your healthcare benefits when you lose that help from the state that you have to go from wrong that low wage job you have to make up that money before you actually break even this right so you're taking wean away to me personally. You're taking away that narrative. I talked about this on the floor for my state budget speech. I factor Ingraham bag. It's a low wage manufacturing John. Let's say putting the widget together so on North University Austria. I'll say that Yeah uh-huh and is not specific business specifically but they when I talked with the general manager of it I you know I kind of expected to have a conversation about the main faction tax credit right like super popular with Republicans Democrats are trying. We're trying to cap it right. The pro of that tax credit pays almost twice as much as I thought it was going to win the originally put it in in place but he wanted to talk about Medicaid expansion right because he has got people. It's a low wage manufacturing job. He's got people in this facility liberty that are turning down raise right because they can't make up enough to still keep their healthcare at back at the business or through through the government healthcare so like to me if we're GONNA walk these folks out of that cycle power or we're going to help make sure that they have a off ramp that allows for success. We gotta make sure that we're not just having this benefits cleft right so but you know one. I mean wanted to expand Medicaid. I'm like Shaq soccer with them about it. But it makes sense it makes that's because he had three percent unemployment say and it doesn't matter what area business like he is begging to get help for hiring green to get help so like if he's employed that won't take extra hours because of it won't take a raise because like Rawson were trapping folks at low wage jobs right yeah. That's not good no no what it should be the goal of any any state legislature right. I think it's just not the narrative that you didn't hear right. It's only year all these different areas about. He'll vote or another <hes> <hes> education. You're twenty years education G._V.. Yes yeah but then I'm I'm that ill-fated program the talked about kid friendly budget and I've heard that many times about how Republicans say well we we have the exact same budget under Governor Walker that Tony was called the kid-friendly budget right now. We're going to give him the same budget and it's all of a sudden not kid friendly sure so. I think that's looking at the landscape now realizing it's changed right. It's changed. It's changed right a democratic governor. Wow show maybe maybe when that. Democratic governor was leading D._P._I.. He looked at the current administration and their track record and tried to to be realistic to the political landscape when he put that's right but now you look when we have a democratic governor and we move forward art and he sat down a bold vision for Public Education Right Mike one point four billion dollars for public education right huge expansions in in special education right and then they cut nine hundred million how US nine hundred million out of enjoy finance right Republican early Republican. We control join finance nine hundred million out of his budget. He proposed six hundred million. I special education funding. They put a ninety six nine right so those are programs at school districts like there's thirteen million I was gonNA come back to public schools. That's money that that they take out of their current budget right now because they have to. They have to have those programs right those special. George occasions required by the state and they should they should bite. We're not adequately funding public schools to make sure that they make up for the difference so when we talk about lowering class sizes when we talk about like what we're offering kids at schools make sure that they have a educational educational experience that expansive and they have a lot of opportunity right. We like this always affected by that special education money right because we're not funding inappropriately back in the day so they can talk about it being kid-friendly budget but if you look where the governor sucked go house special education funding one-fifth of what he does not even half way. Is that fair right. Well said if you up for success yeah so but like it's a perfect example of like we get into the political marriages right sell like another. One of my favorites is when I heard some of my colleagues talk about well we give if you take you start at since twenty thirteen. We've increased public. Show then right. Oh finally and I know you forget about how high about awesome like seven hundred and nine or seven hundred eighty or whatever million the session before them and then under I'll say this under the doyle in this in administration situation and in his last budget. It was like three hundred million so like you forget to sessions there where you took huge chunks. Thanks out of public education but now we're doing okay because you're starting the needle at twenty thirty well so far. I was just talking about that. We're like you know what they don't realize that the political landscape has changed at the the election. The last one was eager walker then walkers people said. Hey by the we've got the the education governor because he funded schools more than any time more than any other governor history but they still not at the levels that he was there that was night I with this budget you talk you talk to superintendents around the state and I mean they pretty happy that was able the line item veto at another almost one hundred million to you the budget for public education that's right. It's insane yeah but he had used those tools otherwise would have gartner. Yes you know I mean simplisafe's that you talk about the G._O._P.. Doesn't realize the political landscape is changed. That ven diagram was diagrams. What what's so frustrating to me about what's going at Madison is in. I don't know if this this this mindset starts us from trump or was just really emboldened by what's going on with the orange weird she lake how the Republicans are just bullying the governor and simple his most basic powers basic rights what what his his job entails to appoint cabinet secretaries are. They won't even vote out because why because you know I was just talking to. Some of that said what they can do is if our good friend killed crossman says says one sentence in an interview that that WPRO hurts Robin boss steelers or the Republican states on well. It'd be so yeah fitzgerald feeling what they call them up voted his appointment down job. Yeah what the hell yet they would call the governor but yes. I mean exactly exactly right exactly yeah. I completely agree like you should confirm cabinet. Secretaries take them at their merit right light red. We just had a bunch of the cabinet secretaries up in Green Bay talking about this budget. We'll just have account county courthouse. Yesterday and Governor Uber's has gone out there and hire two very very talented people around the right so let's bring those folks up in the state Senate. Let's make sure they're voted on and let's move forward right because to me. It's a big issue. You like if you're going to go out and do something bold right. If you're going to go out and try something new or think outside of the box you know like some of my colleagues like to say the government doesn't do enough of right like if you're a secretary designate me that hasn't been confirmed yet. Why would you do those things right right right. They have a gun your head. Oh no glad exactly yeah exactly harassed. So so what do you do any work. Yeah I am the wire either few yeah and so one of the bills that we just circulated differ co-sponsorship in. I'm pretty proud of the fact that its GATT over thirty cosponsors in the assembly. That's bipartisan cosponsors so Democrats and Republicans the bill. I think we have seven or eight state senators that are on the bill but actually one of my constituents came to me because because he was struggling jolted if you're listening to this thank you all thank you for the bill idea. I WANNA I WANNA. Give Him for okay on that train. I don't know but maybe that's a future view but I appreciate him. He contacted me. Even before before I was elected sworn into office right so but he is one of these student Bats that receipts receives a federal stipend and he's we've just heard about a case in Platfo like last week is well where was actually paying <hes> the the veterans turns <hes> helping with the veterans housing payment so basically this bill would say that we're going to give some protection student patrons in stay right so under the trump administration and non shocker right so they they decided to you change the way that they give out the benefits but the properly staff the to do it yeah so you had and then we also so then we just an oversight then we also had shut down for a while right so providence yeah God. We're really didn't want to Eh but like reality right so you had veterans that our students in the Wisconsin that we're getting penalized because they weren't getting federal side right think about when you like like when you go to college right it's topped work. Study jobs your fulltime student right so you're counting on that stipend which you've frankly earned right. You've earned for your services all that ten time right absolutely so <hes> this would allow so like they're getting late fees. They're getting fiction notices right because over the last eight years and there was just a big Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article about this but they got they've kind <music> gutted tenant law right in the state of Wisconsin to skew towards men was right to there's not curb business owners landlords so there's really not not a lot of protections for anyone in the state of Wisconsin right now. If you're a renter right so this is a small bill it would basically say there's a thirty thirty day grace period so that if you're receiving those federal benefits as a veteran that you'll be able to go to your landlord and say hey. I received those benefits yet. I've gotten a check was wron you now which happens to like the case. Talkin about they sent him to check but they sent it for the wrong amount and he still has several hundred dollars. He'd come up with to make it right so that's so he he was the first. I WanNa come to me with that bill yeah. No I appreciate like and to me. That's about like being connected with your district and trying to help constituents in your district things but when. Asserted dinning menu at like it had this huge impact across the state right. I think we have almost three hundred student veterans at U.. W. G. B. Right so so awesome yeah so I would allow them to go back after that thirty days requalify for another thirty days so they're not trapped in that window and basically like we should hold these guys responsible when the federal government can't get it together rex right no matter who the president what's going on and so yeah something that will work on on excited about moving forward I mentioned the clear act is where around legislation Bob. I think we can be an environmental leader in the state like I think that we can try to set out to make sure that every citizen in Wisconsin Johnson can trust the water and I think these values that we that I think most wisconsinite share right and I try to convey this to my colleagues on the other side of the aisle because it's always about like creating business Wisconsin they have one narrative right or we're open for business right so it took us down they they recycled now. They didn't environmental recycle them inside the D._O._T.. Apartments Oh yeah they're still using those just to throw him out. I want to be clear that good but there's this larger narrative about water. Call say right like if we want businesses to move into Wisconsin what business is going to move here if their employees can't trust a lot in this coming on tourism awesome second largest industry in the state of Wisconsin Right. I'm props on Tourism Committee N._S._A.. Somber right we look at Green Bay. I think we are hub for tourism movie for right. The thing about packers we think about manufacturing we have been legacy kind of like business areas in in Green Bay but like that next one to me is tourism tourism because eighty five percent of Wisconsin. I are people that come into the state to visit. Wisconsin are driving in here right so if you're going to door county if you're going up to the North Woods your common through Green Bay to go right if you're on the eastern side state. Maybe it yourself exactly right so to me though if you are driving into the state and your GonNa come here and spend your hard earned dollars on tourism the state. Are you gonNA come. We're here if you can't trust the wire tap no right so like we look at the impact of it right and like I think like one of the things that makes Wisconsin <music> who we are and sometimes it's actually tough to work on water issues because we're so fortunate to have all this beautiful pristine water around the state right but like I look at what I did for Fourth of July went up north to away B._M._i.. In owns a cottage on it was aunt and uncle it was a great time pontoon tuning around way but that's like Wisconsin culture right Max north but like who's going to do that if that whole chain this full of blue-green algae right or they can't trust the water in their cabin. That's coming out of there well right so I it may sound like harpen on that but it has such a ripple effect for everything using we do in this state when I realized helping issue this is not a it's not a sexy thing talk about like you know Transportation Asian or fix the damn roads you know that video voss him in the back of the ambulance actually pretty well. I'll say AH yeah oh water well in our area so good you talk about a water right though but like we look at it like this to two sessions ago like they pulled the requirement for local municipalities to disinfect disinfected drinking water they die right we'll but every local municipalities still going to do it most right because because they care about their constituents and citizens of those areas right and like they probably feel like they have a responsibility to deliver the best swatter to those folks but like they call that state requirement off the books right like they're still like federal guidelines but why Wisconsin I would. We say we don't want on does things like I don't I don't. I don't get that so I don't get that you talk about people driving up yeah and Asia are do they help pay for the row. Yes another big sticking point in this budget right so the governor ran on US right. I think a lot a lot of us were in on it. I talked about it at the doors this last November and before as well right like I would say for the first time and I've been not endorsed his right for different candidates France reverted issue groups but this is the first time where I really went around. It was like every fourth door okay city agree may were right like let's fix the roads driving on on the service of Man Sean Lab on both fire lanes on the West aside like this winter impassable. It's impressive yeah I mean it was so bad rank so and that's just one example and that's a piece of actually actually state highway that wants to the city that with we would have taken a bold vision with the governor's plan could have been part of the future future six year plan right but we we chose not to or some of my colleagues chose not to raise the gas gas tax right or index aghast axe so that you know we could adequately sustainably funder transportation for the future pitcher right so instead and this guy what you're getting. They raised these right to me. Raising fees raising taxes like really started split hairs here right <hes> but they raced feasts title went up seventy five dollars registration fee. You went up ten dollars so that cost is going to be bore on the Wisconsin in resident right. Oh it's no matter how much you drive right. It's not equitable in like the amount that you drive it says that you're registering might sell but you look at the tourism impact in the state and the amount of people that drive into the state right Ron holding them responsible for the quality right whether you're from Minnesota or Iowa or Michigan or Illinois in your coming to visit the state and I hope they do. I hope you come in and spend your I tours of dollars a year right. We're not doing that in an equitable way if we're not looking at all the ashes table right they you know we'll charge. Those hippie hybrid drivers more yeah. They don't pay but we I mean <unk>. I've got to track but we also have a hybrid right house and yeah you like fees went up in sections and I remember one I did for sure they doubled it. Yeah it did and I saw one idea of the kicked around. Was installing the tracker on your heart. This is the party that limited government right so luna governor wanted to track your car and how many miles where do a study on. How would that work? Well you piss people off. That's a bad idea. It's a horrible idea. You know especially supposedly for that because you're the man I try to stay away from those labels but <hes> yeah it's a bad idea. It's also a huge fan of tolls in Wisconsin. I think that's a bad idea and it's not we're not gonNA hit. The funding required fast enough to act if we actually put them in right so yeah we've had a lot of conversation went to do for transportation. I think the Governor Governor move forward with an incredibly low amount of bonding news well for transportation right like that was the way past administrations under the former governor fund transportation. They put it on the credit card right. What's fiscally responsible about putting transportation on the credit card? We're going to get I charge that interests and we talk about debt service like we talked about it a lot as county right but as a state it's like twenty percent of the overall transportation dollars that service service so what I mean the political landscape yeah. What is that GonNa look like over the next two six years God? I think we are at like we're at a real crossroads like it's going to continue to be. I think to fight here in Wisconsin right like it's already starting now for the presidential election. That's happening this next cycle and depending on what happens happens in two thousand twenty like the redrawing of the maps I would argue in those new legislative districts and our governor being up again in twenty twenty. Two is maybe being more important than twenty is what happens with the direction of the state but like to me. We can't can't lose the ability no matter how partisan gets no matter how frustrated people get with the system stuff like we can't use lucy ability to try to find reasonable answers and work across the aisle and you know so like a support good ideas you know no matter which side of the aisle they come from rioting. I mean I've had some. I've had some votes in my first six months. What's that were with the Republican Party right and I would say there was a large number but I have? Let's you know but I'm really proud that that veterans bill. I'm working on is bipartisan right. I wish we could have gotten to a space with the state budget where we have all ninety nine state reps built. Oh four right. I think if we were we're like if there wasn't political and we were trying to chalk up Windsor really not allowing somebody to win it all aw right we could have gotten there right. I think there were there are ways with public education funding with transportation funding gene with Medicaid expansion right that we could have gotten to a place where we could pass the budget that we can have that broad bipartisan support but in this current the climate I think he's probably headwinds yeah at like here was an interview with more powerful rep and that's he must have said that four or five GonNa have so. It's like having Atika child of the head. You know it's okay. We'll give you the participation of your year and your you'll get one or two things but God yeah and that's that's the climate in in my view really unhealthy for no not just for democracy. It's like our Tom seaver. You know he looked at the political landscape escape and he decided was the right time to run. You should have time. We're going to you okay yeah yeah. I think we're GONNA talk about. That's that's GonNa be really dive. Drive into politics not issue. I serve frigates potatoes but like you know there was a it was a wave save it. It's no it's no secret that if a rap lots retire Republican leadership tells it okay you needed to retire on the offers retired because that's what they're even on an off year. Democrats had a huge wave and even the wave that was there wasn't enough to to make a huge difference. I mean what they did was was genus. They made these districts wave proof. You and I think the last study I saw it was like summary points way proof yeah yeah. It's horrible big. It's a big leap when you think about what percentage points mean for Assembly district. You're talking probably six seven hundred per percentage okay so you're looking at a significant amount of votes so then even when you have somebody that Thomas outperforms I would say a big margin what the district are still comes up seven dollars short. I mean several boats short but like there's a live conversation to you like it's about district's but it's also the money that's involved in politics right now while right so like you look at the spending happening <unk> out one right swear one candidate think that was just over one hundred thirty thousand or that area for a state assembly rates right like when I started back in two thousand six working like interning and volunteer nine racists like if you raise thirty forty thousand dollars that was a big a big deal for assembly right but now like that Russia will at least on the Democratic side that if you're in a competitive race you better better be north of eighty right. You better be one hundred one hundred fifty range if you're going to be competitive which is which is crazy but then you look at what was spent fight Kim the op the opposition candidate but then the outside money it was you know it was almost a half a million dollars right in one assembly assembly this drank. That's crazy when you talk about money in politics right and those steaks only gala up as you go up the political ladder right so what's IT GONNA be. I mean yeah then we look at you. Know what I think is interesting. I think the timing of this show conversations and we're going to have you look at how bored Wisconsin's GonNa play out in twenty twenty and let's near that doubt you know how important <unk> Hanson's district is going to be ed because what you have. Is You have the walkout is we have a walkie and Dan except you know. Sometimes it cancel each other out statistically Louis. How are these Wisconsin staying say oh? It's incredible how those Dave Hanson's district could go which trump one right go back trump won and so I mean it so you get Wisconsin Pennsylvania Michigan Ohio. I mean yeah I mean you three of those states that were under one hundred thousand votes combined Jill Stein Right Eh now it's more I was much more than that. I was much more right. I don't think you know you look back at it. People were very happy to twenty sixteen but as a Democrat we need a candidate ah come in the state candidate. That's going to be working really hard in the state because when you look at twenty nine thousand bucks I think Tammy Baldwin is the outlier I live right ten or eleven points. Forget what it was. The last time I mean being outlier cheese phenomenally loved right but the governor's race incredibly tight right same election credibly tight right you look at two hours twenty nine yeah I know but you look at twenty nine thousand dollars right in the presidential just two years earlier than that right like we are a fiercely purple state eight. That's you can't take any boats for granted around the State of Wisconsin and the forty one corridor plays a huge role in that yeah absolutely so I mean that's all I got this. It's a huge huge thing as so. What else have I mean I'm happy to be on? I'm happy to be here so I'm GonNa do this again with. Maybe check in again in six months so and you know as we we come back like they're trying to abilene back on the floor. Talk Tober so we still have committees and task force will be meeting doing constituent excellent stuff back here in district

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"You're listening to DUB. From Wisconsin unto broads, talking politics. Are you listen. Welcome back everyone to to talking politics as usual. I am one of your co hosts. Sophie and I am myself. Today Kelly is actually right now. I'm very excited to welcome our guest. DEB ANDROMEDA. Who is running for Wisconsin State Assembly from district twenty three welcome. deb thanks very to be here. Sophie is great to have Yale just us. If you if you don't mind, tell us a little bit. Bit about yourself on kind of your your background, and how you came to be running for office. Sure I come to this race most directly through my work with moms demand action for gun sense I wa I must teacher in I was in a classroom and my third graders. We had a lockdown drill and be did the procedures in your. It's kind of a way of life on. These days and when we have the lockdown drill as a substitute, teacher, you a key and you start to teach, and you're running in their last minute and I had the wrong key in the resource officer in this particular lockdown drill What's going around to different classrooms? Rattling all the doorknobs to make sure that they were secure, and mine was not and if you can imagine being in a classroom, full of third graders scary enough, these are very tense situations. You never really get used to it. Suddenly the door opens and the resource officers are at me about why. My classroom isn't secure and I saw the look in the kids faces, and I decided that I I did not grow up with lockdown drills Mike kids shouldn't either is. We should not ever get used to this, so I started volunteering with MOMS. Demand Action and. And one of my previous careers and jobs on Iowa's environmental lobbyist, so I was used to working with legislators I helped MOMS Organiz do their advocacy day learn how to talk to legislators, and that's where I started coming in contact with my own representatives Jim ought. He's a Republican. He's best known as the weather man who doesn't believe in climate change. He's pretty conservative and he refused to support background checks on all gun sales, and it got to the point where we had a special session in Wisconsin where the legislative the governor Idris called the legislature in to vote on gun laws, and the legislator gavelled in gobbled out, refused to take up any kind of commonsense gun legislation and a new I had had it, so my friend Aaron with MOMS and I looked at each other and we. We decided that if we can't change a gym, odds mind, we would change his job, so we launched our campaign in November and it's been going great so that that's the most direct way became to this through. Mom's before that like I said I was a substitute teacher I. Also, I worked for the environmental long. Policy Center of the Mid West so I've done work with environmental advocacy, and we intend to flip the twenty third district. Awesome, can you? Can you tell me a little bit about the twenty third district? I know just from looking at it that it's a little north of Milwaukee I think, but can you just tell us a little bit about? where it is in kind of demographic spotted you'd while for your listeners who are not in Wisconsin on. They've probably heard about gerrymandering Wisconsin is SORTA. The poster child for one of the worst gerrymandered states in the country on the twenty third district is no exception. The twenty third starts where I live in a little town Whitefish Bay and goes north. Right up along Lake Michigan and the twenty third is pretty much supposed to child for what you're seeing in suburban districts. country. this district has traditionally been Republican. But the Republicans who are my friends and my neighbors They're not trump republicans yet. They are your George Bush Republicans. They are fiscally fiscally conservative, but they're. Trump turns them off and for many years of Republicans here in Wisconsin have also in more and more conservative and so i. just don't feel like. The way that our Republican leadership in the legislature really aligns with the suburban voter anymore. The district is fairly wealthy suburbs. It's your good schools so i. just don't feel like. Our district is really being represented by the person who's been in office for more than a decade anymore. I like to say that the Republican Party in Wisconsin has moved right, and it's kind of like a lot of voters behind Interestingly Hillary. Clinton won the Twenty Third District in twenty sixteen, but my opponents was unopposed in two thousand eighteen. He only lost by a thousand votes. So this district is overdue and extremely important when you look at the Wisconsin legislative map. So what are some of the issues other than guns? which we talked about that you're hearing from. Voters, you're not missing around the district. What are some of the top three or four things most important? well known Cova does not on anybody's radar. When we started so an awful lot of that right now it. Wisconsin has not accepted the federal dollars to expand Medicaid so I'm trying to get some healthcare. Dollars in the state is going to be super important environmental issues come up off Elax Republicans have been rolling back regulations for a very long time. People are very excited to have a candidate who believes that we need to take action to prevent global warming. I hear that an awful lot to so. Our campaign is running for a safer smarter. Healthier Wisconsin, your safer being safer communities that are gun laws a smarter support for our. Our schools and teachers and healthier, better access to high quality, health, care and protection for Wisconsin's environment, speaking of safer, smarter and Healthier, our legislature has it been doing a lot of things to be helpful? During the governor has tried to do some things than than they got struck down by the courts and the legislature kind of hasn't been doing much to up. Wisconsin is what would you like to see the legislature do when you're elected to help Wisconsin through the tough times that I'm sure. Even if Kobe is over in November will still be, the economy will sell the effect of that these tough times that are gonNA be coming up. Over the next year or two, it really goes back to the GERRYMANDERING that we're all suffering under governor Tony. Is a Democrat, all of the statewide offices in Wisconsin our democratic, but the Gerrymander make sure that the Republicans hold on to a very large majority of seats. In fact, the big issue right now is the supermajority, so Republicans are just two or three seats away in both the the assembly and the Senate from. Where they override all governor vetoes, and when it comes to Kobe, when it comes to at any single any issue that Wisconsin needs to tackle There's absolutely no cooperation from the day the governor. was elected Republicans passed a slew of laws to curtail has powers and to make sure that he couldn't do. Some of the things that are previous Republican governor. Could you before, so it's been absolutely no cooperation. What I would like to see is more cooperation We need some more moderates. We need more moderate legislators who were willing to work across the aisle on some of these problems that we have co that has put everything into a extremely sharp relief. Governor had. Boundary Badger Bounce back program. which was a science based? How many beds do we have a program? So that the state could open up safely, the Republicans sued brought it to the Wisconsin Supreme Court and the Conservative majority on the Wisconsin Supreme Court decided that the governor did not have the authority to keep the state shutdown for the amount of time that they wanted to to prevent the virus. Now we're one of the worst days in the country A. A friend of mine is a public health researcher. She says we're a couple of weeks behind Texas and Florida, so it's really really frustrating especially as a mom and as a teacher who wants our kids to go back to school, but are cases are three five times where they were when we shut the schools down in March so, it's really a mess. It's so frustrating because I feel like if if our legislature had done a better job than our kids would probably be able to go back more fulltime to school, because we would probably have it under control. Let. Me write down the there's an argument over whether or not the governor could do a mask mandate and because of the Wisconsin Supreme Court case there. It's just a lot of questions. Nobody knows whether or not he has the power to do so. We all know that if you wear a asked, it drastically reduces the rate of infection. What What's happened right now is that you have every municipality trying to decide for themselves? You have local school boards. Try to crack these rules. Rules, we've all become armchair epidemiologists, and it's really unfortunate because you know. My friend is the president of our local school board in this is not a this is a decision that she should have to make really following the CDC we should be following the advice of our local health departments, and our decisions based on science in there so much confusion out there that it's it's really terrible especially when we're trying to get our schools open in our communities active, being safe and healthy. Is there anything about campaigning that has surprised you either in a good way like? I didn't expect to like this part or in a bad way. Like I didn't expect this to be so that. Well Code was a big surprise that would imagine. Why don't we why we decided to do this? Back? In November this not on anybody's radar screens and you know it's just drastically different in here in Milwaukee. We were supposed to have had the the Democratic National Convention. We should have been getting together and having parties in getting voters together, and it's it's. It's just very frustrating. We have had to really pivot on a dime in its particularly frustrating and. And challenging for someone like me WHO's trying to take on someone who has been in office for more than a decade as a challenger, you typically get an army of volunteers who take clipboards and you get up there in new talks. Voters in you go to the events. We don't have any events you go to the fares. We don't have the fares. All of those traditional things that a candidate do. Do I used to joke with my kids, that politician is supposed to be out shaking hands and kissing babies. We can't do any one of those anymore, so it's been really hard, but the good news is that our message is resonating. People are excited about the race our district here the twenty third is considered up probably the most flippable in the state from red to blue, so a lot of. Of people are paying a lot of attention. It seen as critical to save the governor's veto, so we got into this race because we didn't like our local elected official and has blossomed out of proportion that we could ever possibly have imagined. It's very very important that we flip this seat this year so I think everything has surprised me this campaign so far because nothing has been a business usable. A little bit about sort of. The energy on the ground. You mentioned that it's one of the most flippable districts. Do People. Feel sort of like the same excitement and energy that there was sort of nationally in twenty eighteen are people feeling really confident sort of what's the energy among the Democratic Party in among voters in your? Get the voters that I talk to. They're really fed up. There a with both sides quite frankly because you, you have governor trying to pass one law, and then you have Republican suing and the the your people are caught in the middle and I talked to so many people in. There's been so much misinformation out there and they don't know who to trust. I think people are very excited for change. Change and I'm running as a moderate Democrat. moderates are few and far between thanks to Gerrymandering here in Wisconsin, because I know my neighbors in I know that they want someone who's reasonable. They don't want someone who is going to be at one extreme or the other and I'd like to try to bring that kind of sentiment back to the state. Anything else that you WANNA talk about that. We haven't gotten to just the fact that this particular district It's a tiny little assembly district, but it's taken on such. Proportions because of where it is is that is suburban district that is rapidly trending more democratic, even though it's been traditionally Republican. the numbers are on our side, and just how important it is not only to save the veto, but the fact that this is a census year when I moved to the state seventeen years ago, it was a vastly vastly different place, and a lot of people do not like direction that the state has been taken in, and we wanted to restore the Wisconsin idea. I have a daughter. She's going off to college she's. She's a senior, so she's looking at colleges. You'll be going after college next year and I don't like the Wisconsin that she's heading into so. She can vote for me because she turns eighteen on October seventeenth, so her first vote gets to her mom, which is very exciting, but It we we want a better state for for my kids, and for all of us so that we have our school's back. We have funding for our schools and our teachers and I think people are very excited to have that happen. People want change in Wisconsin and we wanted to start right here in the twenty third district. Thank you deb I really enjoyed talking to you I. Really Appreciate Your Time. and. We're so excited to watch your campaign. Could you tell our listeners sort of a little bit about how they can give you donate to get involved in your campaign? If they live in the district shirt, you can go to our website. It's just deb for WWL. Dot Com d. e., B., F.. O. R. W. I. Dot Com yet. We would love for people to take a look at our website. Donations are very welcome. It takes an awful lot of money to defeat a incumbent been in power for more than a decade. WHO's a district? Was Tailor made a to him in the GERRYMANDERING process, but we're not going to quit until November second, so I really appreciate the opportunity. This has been fun. Thank you for listening to two bras. 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What Good is Activating the National Guard if you Dont Use Them!

Vicki McKenna

34:57 min | Last month

What Good is Activating the National Guard if you Dont Use Them!

"MM. Broadcasting. Planet Madison the Bruce City and the world on iheartradio. Vicky cash. To be a part of the program called Ho Chunk, Gaming, Wisconsin dells toll free line at Eight, seven, seven to three five thirteen. Email Vicky. Dot Com now here's. Good afternoon. Program! The mechanics show? and. Always like when that little jerome piece hits their theme song. Eminence front the WHO for those of you who are always wondering that theme song is off the album. It's hard. That's pretty much the way to describe twenty twenty. It's hard. It's hard. It's hard to keep track of the parade of horrible hs. Twenty twenty. The Year of the horrible 's I don't know. Maybe we can come up with a way to describe the dark side of the moon that we're living on. And! None of US chose this. None of us shows Moron the parade of horrible. What's the latest well Gosh? I don't even if I got churches being attacked now because Jesus is black. Okay Yeah Jesus is black. Jesus isn't actually Jesus. That's she got I accept that and then the real Jesus. That I guess the Bible stole from Black People is black, and so therefore Christian churches must be desecrated I. It's not supposed to make any sense. You're just left to to sit there. You know slack jaw. And say. Wait! No. That's just. I, know I. I you know. Contemplating taking up. Hard liquor because of this. All right, so we'll talk about more of the preambles. It's in the in the capital city. The governor activated the National Guard. But he didn't deploy the National Guard. In the capital city. The police are begging to be allowed to do their job begging. Rank and file. Police are begging commanders to be allowed to do their jobs. I, don't Beg. Don't Beg. You've got a union contract. Don't beg strike. We'll get to that coming up on the program. The mayor of the city of Madison. Now wants the. Career Felon. who was threatening people with a baseball bat and got arrested. She wants that guy released. That guy was arrested, which allegedly was the excuse to go riot and beat the ever loving crap out of people. And firebomb municipal building in Madison. The mayor of the city is now calling for the release. Of that too bit Felon Thug? Well we'll get to that coming up on the program. segue boy back in the news. I'm just going to do a survey here. In the first short break segue voice back in the news y'all know who segue boy is. Segue, boys theme music. Maybe you'll remember that gentleman's. Yeah he's back in the news. This clown for those of you who don't know who he is. His name is Jeremy Ryan Jeremy Ryan. Spectacle of himself, you sort of the southern Wisconsin village idiot. He made a spectacle of himself in the uprisings by zipping around on a segway he also. Tried to run as a Republican against Paul, Ryan thinking that voters were too stupid to discern between Paul Ryan and Jeremy Ryan. This guy has. claimed. He was dying on the Internet to get people to give. Him Money for dope. He was arrested on terrorism related charges I believe back in January. He's back in the news because he put the home address of the Dane County, sheriff. And an information about the Dane County sheriff's family on facebook and ask people to go terrorize the Dane. County sheriff. so He's been arrested. He's back in the news. We'll get to him. Coming up on the I'm telling you. This is just all right before we go and take a quick break here I will leave you on somewhat positive news this just in a judge has halted Racine's covert nineteen ordinance remember the city of Racine was attempting to do an end run around the Wisconsin Supreme Court with their local ordinance. A judge threw that out through the health. Department's Ordinance out so the city of race scenes council. Passed the Ordinance At the council level to do an end run around the judge that through the health department's order out as the health department tried to do an end. Run around the Wisconsin Supreme Court well. That judge is pretty pissed off. And he just halted the City Council version of this ordinance. Claiming that the city council engaged quote in a direct attack on the court's order, so for the time being racine your free again. That's the that's the good news. The bad news is that your city council is so disinterested. In allowing the businesses of your community to survive that they were willing to do that. While the rest of the State of Wisconsin is an and trying to claw their way back to success all right, I'm gonNA. Take a break here. We're GONNA. Come back. Kill has got some breaking news to share with you on the Vicki. McKenna show, we'll be right back. To the program. Hanging I'm buying something here on on my phone. Just give me a minute. I know I'm supposed to be at work. The The unabridged Gulag archipelago is now available on audible if anybody cares. Is What I was buying? I'm not sure of Jordan. Peterson is going to be the one doing the the introduction the prologue to this book. It was originally set to do that, but of course he has suffered some health problems for Utah. Peterson fans. That is not news. Any in any case delayed the publication or the delivery of the book, so it is now apparently available, and it's going to be delivered to my audible somewhere in mid-july all right welcome back to the program Matt Kittle I'm trying to find a reason to put myself in a good mood and I. Don't think you're going to arm. Wrestle there, so empower Wisconsin. I sent you a question. Somebody had said I have an unconfirmed report. That the handgun hotline. Is Shot Down because of civil unrest. so that was the email. And I kinda thought that had to be bunk. And today you called me and said. It's Kinda true. So, what did you find out in investigating the question from one of my listeners of whether or not? There's something going on with a handgun hotline. And just for those who don't know. Vicki McKenna receives a lot of tips from a lot of people who are connected and in the know, and many of those tips work out to be just exactly or close to what you know has been reported, so you break a lot of news here what I found out is. He listens how violent and out of control. It's gotten downtown Matt's. Wisconsin Department of Justice's handgun hotline. Is cutting its our to allow staff to leave work in daylight hours, so they can escape peak rioting times what? Was that digest for a little. This started yesterday the day after the capitol. Square burned literally. And it will go at least through the weekend depending on what happens with the islands and the anarchy downtown. Okay, so so this may not be long term, but it is true that Wisconsin Doj has cut the hours of operation of the handgun hotline. To what eight to five right instead of eight to nine PM, so if you're going to buy a gun. You're in. And you want the answer from the handgun. Hotline. You're going to have to do it before five o'clock. Exactly Right! I will pay the point this out. There is an online site, but you're not gonNA. Have you know a person to help you walk through this particularly for individuals I remember in this highly regulated field of gun sales. You have to. It's not an option you have to go through before you can transfer ownership because that's where all the background checks and all the stuff that's involved in the transfer of of a gun where that rats. All right. All because of rioting in Madison and the DOJ wants to get its employees out of the building in daylight hours so I guess they don't get dragged out of their cars, and the ever loving blank beaten out of them like Senator Tim Carpenter that guy from some prairie did. Yeah, absolutely this this Agency within the DOJ is located on mainstream, which is right in the heart of the bedlam that we have seen in Madison for about a month now. Part of me says that's fine. Even though that is definitely that you need to give people a heads up on this that is definitely going to make it harder for some people who you know who are working who kind of count on swing and by the gun store, the sporting goods store after work at six, fifteen or something like that. But. It is going to constrain people like that. Part of me, says I don't WanNa. See people beaten up. Because because an impromptu, a quote, unquote impromptu riot that's been planned for days breaks out, and we know that the city of Madison is doing nothing to try to to try to discourage it to try to. Let the police do their jobs and part of me, Says No. Your responsibility is to the entire state of Wisconsin. The entire state of Wisconsin is not on an eight to five schedule. At the very least Josh Call instead of tweeting out love for Joe Biden, and the utterly destructive obamacare law could have said Oh. Hey, by the way guys. We're going to restrict the hours of the handgun hotline because we're worried about our employees, getting beaten up and kicked in the head. Think about what is ultimately means you raise a very good point because the mayor of mad at six. And the Liberal City Council and all of the radical left. A leader that run this city have have tied the hands of police. because Madison can't protect you or state employees. You can't protect yourself. You can't buy a gun and go through the regulatory process to finish that transaction. Takes five digs by the way because Madison can't protect its citizens. You know the mayor of Madison. In many ways. Runs a significant portion of state government, simply because she refuses to allow police to secure the streets of the city, and because state government is located in the city of Madison. She's essentially now. Hey, word, how are you guys? How are you doing up there in Saint Croix County? Because the mayor of Madison is calling the shots for a lot of stuff that nobody gets to have a say in because they live nowhere near this insane island of planet progressive. Right, and then within that island of planet progressive you have. The vast majority of state agencies, smoking and the vast majority of those state agencies. Are administered and run by a you know a liberal who is at the very least out of touch and in the main part of the problem. Well there you go folks so now. You found out that this may continue. Past the weekend, but it is least going to be in operation. The limited hours of the handgun hotline is going to be an operation at least through the weekend. Oh yeah it will be at least through Sunday and again. You nailed it right on the head. There are I I called multiple firearms. Many of them do not WanNa talk. Few in a few told me exactly what was going on. Then confirmed through the DOJ. But and I. Don't think everybody knows they. The firearms neal is was seemed I think an email saying. Hey, we changed this because of it or at least someone reached out to the individuals I talked to, but the public in general isn't aware of this and I think that's pretty important, too, because there are a lot of members of the public who would like to protect themselves more than ever today and would like the ability as they should be under the. The as should the constitution, the laws of the state of discounts into be able to do just that I am telling you in the last week I probably have received somewhere between thirty and maybe fifty emails asking me what kind of gun should I buy? Where should I go buy a gun? Yeah, so you have a heightened interest you have now limitations that are that are going to be put on firearms dealers because the state of Wisconsin requires a certain regulation. Requires by law. Those firearms dealers to go through the handgun hotline that is now going to be limited all because Sacha Roads Conway. The mayor of Madison has decided that she is not going to do anything to secure the state of Wisconsin and I might also point out in that. If you can find out what's going on with this Tony, even announced yesterday that he was going to activate the National Guard, but as of last night there were more demonstrations last night. There were no riots. There was no national guard present now. I had to learn about that by reading the Sacramento. Bee newspaper I didn't read that in Wisconsin State Journal. I didn't read that. In the journal that was in the Sacramento Bee newspaper, saying there was no national guard present now if they're activated, where are they in? It seems to me that such roads Conway. The mayor of Madison ought not to be calling the shots for people in Milwaukee and people walk. Shaw and people up in northern Wisconsin people down South Western Wisconsin, but she is until Tony Egar's puts those boots on the ground to secure the city where the mayor will not. No, I I agree, and what I from my sources Last night was got at least sixty national guard members were being called up to serve in Madison. They were being called up to serve only in a backup kind of roll. Their hands were tied by this governor. Then they're. They're not useful at all. Then they're not useful at all. They were only given tons and and crowd. That's what they're taking, but they're. If they're in a backup capacity, they're not no forward capacity there in a backup capacity. They're backing up the Madison. Police Department and the Madison Police Departments Command is telling them to stand down, so our national guard will be here to be a backup capacity to a police force that has been ordered to stand down. What's the purpose of that? But stay away. That's what was communicated to me by a very prominent police official in the city. Matt Kettle Empower Wisconsin. There's a lot of great stuff up there. In Power Wisconsin Dot com I'M GONNA. Take a break here. Eight seven, seven to three, five, thirteen ten. That's the number to call. This is the Vicki mechanics. Show back. Already welcome back to the program, so we have and we don't know the exact number Matt Kindle and I were talking about the National Guard. We don't know the exact number of national guard that are supposedly. Backing up the Madison Police Department, but if they're backing up the Madison, police department. then. They're relying on a police department that has command orders to stand down. The command orders coming from my sources are telling me the command orders are coming from the mayor, the mayor of Madison who now presumably calls the shots for a significant portion of Wisconsin that is reliant on the agencies of state government. Yes, the mayor, so the National Guard gets to back up a police department that has been told to back off. Which means? It's a free for all in the city of Madison still the mayor of the city of Madison has called for the release of a to bid fallon that was shaking down in harassing people everyone from a woman praying the rosary with her children. To restaurant goers at a downtown restaurant shaking people down for money and threatening to beat them up with a baseball bat as he was shouting in their faces with a megaphone. The mayor of the city of Madison has essentially called for his release. He's a menace. Because the rioters have declared him a political prisoner. And either she doesn't have the guts to stand up to them. Or she believes in the cause capital t capital see. That's where we are. In the State of Wisconsin the mayor of Madison. Did you vote for the mayor of Madison? Why didn't you don't live in the city? All right, we're GONNA get to some phone calls here. Eight seven, seven to three, five, thirteen, ten, when start though with Linda Hi Linda. How you? One Good Vicky, well I've been better Linda, but I'm trying to put on a happy face. I I get I gotta try hard every day myself. I'm just wondering to talk a little about something. Just give you a real quick quick background. I'm one of ten siblings. We're all strong conservative My parents have passed away both of them one in two, thousand, eight, one, thousand sixteen, so we're the head generation now I have three kids and I have a total of twenty five nieces and nephews. Okay, okay now. my kids from the nieces and nephews are between twenty and thirty five generally so These four kids, there's only three of them that aren't aren't strong liberal. And what's happening is there's been a lot of disagreement in our family on the smallest subject to the most important of subject Someone told me that I wasn't very intelligent. Because I I only went to high school, even though I graduated with a three point, five grade point average, and he has three degrees. One of them is some BS degree and peacekeeping UN peacekeeping. And so on so. You know they take. No, no, no. They're very disrespectful and how they seem to treat this this this tap generation here in our family and and when I. Try to question them a little bit politely about why they hate Donald, trump so much of why they would consider voting for bite, and they have no answers, yeah! What! What can we do all right so first thing? What can we do? We are not going to be. He a couple of things number one. You kind of need, a history of what happened here so. Many a couple of generations ago, parents were encouraged to turn over the substance of the raising of their children to the public school system in America so when when parents were encouraged to do this, and then moms were encouraged to go then get job so that they were not even able to be home with their kids, if if necessary. So you basically had. A substantial portion of the day of a child. Dominated by someone who was not that child's parent. Or relative right so what what the what the left did deliberately and on purpose, and you can actually go read about this. They Brag about it. Is They began to? Under target the value system of the children in the American school system, so that Judeo Christian value system which which wants parents were encouraged to abandon their kids to be raised by public schools was not nearly as strong to the core value system was not built up. Parents did not assume they needed to teach overtly. Judeo Christian values they assume that they took their kids to church that the children we're GONNA learn you know what what what God wanted them by Osmosis or just sitting there and listening to a sermon drone on, so they didn't actively participate in shoring up that core value system, so a generation goes by now you've got kids with the weaker core value system that are being raised by the public school system. System, and now the public school system is even more radical than it was in the beginning. So so that's what's happened. You need to understand what happened and how to undo it now. If you've got younger children, please understand this is happening to your kids. Now you are required. You are required to debrief your children I implore parents. If you can take them out of those schools, educate them yourself, but now there there. There's you know you've got kind of. You've got to kind of sense how where you can go. Ask them if they support American values. If they say yes, that's a good sign. You can maybe then move on using the socratic method, which is a question. You're always asking questions. You're always trying to see if you can't break through the facade of the of the false logic I, actually the lack of logic that they have been exposed to his students in college in K. Twelve. I would recommend using the socratic method. You support American values I hate America. Why do you hate America and you? You have to use this sort of technique and see if you can't find out if there is a core value system that your family has imparted to these kids, and if there is try to find where the core is, and if you can find the core, you know I believe in fairness, okay, what does that mean? Do you think that someone should be beaten up? Because they made the mistake of driving into a riot, dragged out of their car and punched and kicked, and do you think that's the way to fight racism? Because you're pretty far gone at this point, Linda and I. Don't have a I. Don't have a good easy answer for you except try to use questions to break through to see if you can't find where their core values lie. Sure excellent excellent points. Yeah, it's it's really it's really sad, and it makes me mad that that they are like this, and that they are so unwilling to listen, and and discuss things, and and so on, but yeah I know a lot of people are struggling with with their kids and family member. Yeah, you know, let let me. Just had an email me. Find this email. Email from someone who said someone called into rush limbaugh today and said she has a daughter that lives in Wisconsin is afraid to vote for trump because they fear rioting. That could occur, so here's someone who has yeah who's? The core value system you know maybe even more intact and the members of your family you're talking about, but what has been influenced enough to set aside her right to vote out of fear that the mob will react poorly. So this is you're right. It doesn't matter if she's a true believer in the left wing 'cause. There's been enough damage done that, she saying I'm afraid to vote because. I'm afraid of riots. It's really sad. I agree thanks for the call. I appreciate it Linda and good luck. I don't have A. I don't have kids. You know that's that's something else that that hampers my sort of an ability to empathize I can sympathize I can try to put myself in your shoes. I've listened to a lot of parents. Say the same thing and. I wish I had better answers on on that Allan Hi there welcome to the program. Vicki I wanted to. Yeah I have been a big fan of Donald Trump. And that, but it is fading and the reason. I see him big talk and little action. I, think he should. Go to Theodore Roosevelt. Big Topic, but carry a big stick. I beg to see more of that. I don't know what to tell you. I mean I wish I wish he would do a lot of things. He has done a lot of things. He is, he does talk a lot. He's also backing it up with executive action where he can if he can That's always challenged in the courts, but here's what I would like to see. Donald trump do because this would help Linda. This would help me. This would help people in Madison. This would help police departments. This would help people and is to do what Reagan did and Beatini. Donald trump talks about American exceptionalism. Donald trump talks about we're the greatest country we are in the midst of what is a rising coup, a potential civil war, a potential holy war and I can explain that if anyone needs me, too, but those of you who have seen the desecration of the churches, and the assaults on faith. Know what I'm talking about, and he's. Agree, and he and he needs to be a leader because if he doesn't if he isn't the one that speaks on that if he isn't the one that stands up and says you don't want. I like what he did about about monuments, but he needs to explain why. You know. You'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA charge people with federal offenses if they attack monuments, tell us why tell America. Why are monuments are important? Tell America why educate them on what happens when peace and order breakdown tell them why police are actually important. Go to the constitution, and this is not his strong suit, right, but God. There's gotta be an adviser somewhere who can who can scratch out a few notes that can be devolved into two hundred eighty characters that can be thrown on twitter. I'm with you on this. It's frustrating, but you know we. Reagan's dead. What we need is an educator. Conservative constitutitional educator because going back to Linda said. Kids and I told her kids are not going to adopt your core values by Osmosis. They're not gonNA just sit in and be drone dat in a church by the way churches that are being hijacked by secularists daily. There and be and be drone at Church and then be true believers right? That's not going to happen. Just like America's not gonNA look at the fabulous economy that got torn apart by the way not with a limited assistance by Donald. Trump the fabulous economy and say Oh, obviously free market works obviously capitalism works obviously America's awesome. Obviously, the Constitution is guiding North Star this makes total sense because the economy's doing so well. That's what the Republicans have adopted. Is this idea that people will just recognize conservative values when they see success an opportunity, and clearly that isn't the case. Thank you for the call. And I started to get on a rand. That's not the case. Every single one of those white kids who was rioting in the name of fighting white supremacy, patriarchy and capitalism, whatever else they've been taught by their education system the lies that they that they have internalized by the education system. All those affluent white kids did not look at the affluence of their lives and say to themselves. Wow, this is because of the free market. This is because we have reduced regulation. You know this is because we have you know. Republican tax cuts that are working to create opportunity and jobs I have I have a hand held computer in my in my pocket that could run a small country, and this is all because we've got this amazing experiment and ordered liberty that has allowed the free market to rain. With limited interruption in this country, and I am so grateful that I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. Obviously. People. Don't look at the world around them and say. Wow, things are pretty cool. That's not going on, is it? Donald trump has been president since two thousand sixteen. He took office in two thousand seventeen up until March. We had a white hot economy that was smoking smoking hot to the point where the lowest black unemployment rate. We had the lowest Hispanic unemployment rate. We had the lowest female unemployment rate. We had alternative workforce being invited. Employers begging people. To begging them to apply Oh. You have a felony record. Yes, well, ordinarily that would be a problem, but considering we need workers so desperately we would invite you to put an application. Please and we're going to start at twenty four fifty an hour. That's what we had and people did not. Stand in Awe. And ask themselves how come this is going on right now. And then make the logical connection because again. The schools are our. Devolving Education to the point where critical thought is almost beyond possibility now they didn't look around and say oh. Yes, I know this. This works because this happened and this happened. People. Donald Trump I'm gonNA vote for him and I'm an enthusiastic supporter. But he needs to be a teacher. We will be right back. How did we go? From a nation that believed in equal rights. Free speech. Equal protection under the law. To a nation that that not only tolerates but celebrates. Censorship and and. Penalty For disagreeing. How did we get there? My vet actually sent me a text and he said that Brett Weinstein's brother Weinstein Brett. Wines was the evergreen professor who has run out of his job. Evergreen College professor run out of his job. Liberal Guy Because he dared suggest that it's okay to disagree with. The speech fascists, the sensors the social justice warriors. And he was run out of his job because of that, so his brothers on twitter says we're not equal. If I can't tell you, you're wrong. How did we get in such short order? Not even a whole generation. I not even a whole decade. A handful of years to the point where the media politicians. The. Press celebrate the idea. that. People should be punished if they don't agree. With the Progressive Left, they should lose their jobs. They should be beaten up. They should be harassed at their homes. That's America twenty twenty. and. We didn't even put up a fight. We are not putting up a fight right now. I'm putting up a fight. I'm one person. Maybe you intellectually are putting up a fight. Russia's putting up a fight Tucker. Carlson's putting up a fight, but we don't have people in power. Putting up this fight. Less than ten years, this happened. How did it happen because we let? The American public. School system. Raise American children. This is Vicky mechanics show.

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Scot Ross Needs to be Removed from the Ethics Commission

Vicki McKenna

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Scot Ross Needs to be Removed from the Ethics Commission

"And. Broadcasting. Planet Madison Brew City and the World On. IHEART radio. Is. The Vicki mechanics show to be a part of the program called the WHO Chunk Gaming Wisconsin dells toll, free line at beat, seven, seven to three, five, thirteen, ten or email Vicky WNBA dot com now. Good afternoon. Welcome to the show Nikki mechanics show I am Vicki McKenna. Folks. This, is your homework assignment. You need to call Your County board supervisors. And you need to ask them? To share with you any and all relevant information. On, expanding or articulating? The responsibilities of your county health department. I can't keep up with how many counties now. Are. Enacting extremely. Draconian, ordinances conferring immense power. On local health departments and individual local health bureaucrats. Jefferson County. My county just came to my attention. They want to give a local health official the authority to seize your kids from your home. So that's homework. Right out of the box. Jot this down. I need to contact my county board supervisor. If you don't know who you're, county board supervisor is. Look it up. Find out who it is and find out whether or not your county is considering essentially giving local counties the authority that the Supreme Court of Wisconsin. took away from the state, but we're going to get more into that coming up on the program Scott Ross. Formerly of the left-wing hit organization one Wisconsin now it's an opposition opposition research organization that. It'd solely to attack conservative policy conservative Republican lawmakers conservative commentators. Now on the Wisconsin Ethics Commission. Ethics Commission. This is a guy who has compared Republicans to Nazis accused most of them of donning white hoods and participating in Klan rallies. Scott Ross is now on the Wisconsin Ethics Commission. How did that happen? Jennifer shillings parting shot when she quit. The Senate decided that she was going to leave behind a legacy of perhaps the single, most divisive and vitriolic progressive radical. In A position of power on the Wisconsin ethics. Commission so we're going to get to that coming up on the show as well. Before it gets anything else on the program, however, when Sheriff David Clarke filled in for me on Friday, he said where are the rallies? Where are the rallies? I, submit to you the first rally that I have been clued into. Coming up to support peace and order the rule of law and law enforcement officers the back the blue rally. This one is going to be held. Write this down. Saturday June twenty-seventh. From Eleven am to noon. At Civic Park in Kenosha Now have you don't WanNa. Go to Kenosha. You need to schedule a rally yourself. But KENOSHA civic park across from the Kenosha county courthouse. Saturday June twenty-seventh. Eleven am to noon. This is not a protest. It is simply a rally in support of law enforcement of the rule of law. I received contact from the organizer of this just a Nice Gal. And it really is. Let's all come together and show our support for the men and women who put their lives on the line each and every day to keep us safe. It is back the blue rally again. I've put this up on on my facebook page Saturday. June seven to eleven am till noon at Civic. Park in Kenosha. Hold your own rally. Somebody told me that. He tried to organize a rally in Brookefield. In Brookfield PD. Said don't do it. Nonsense these are peaceful. Organism organized gatherings of people who stand for the rule of law for peace and order and support the efforts. That are made daily on behalf of us by law enforcement June twenty-seventh Eleven am till noon at Civic Park in Kenosha. I said if you'd like to schedule your own rally, you just got to let me know. And I will pass along the word to everybody I can think of. We're GONNA. Take a break here. Let's come back and talk about Scott Ross. The most divisive, probably in the history of Wisconsin politics, the most divisive, vile vulgar. Partisan radical who has now been appointed to the Wisconsin Ethics Commission. We talk about this guy next. Already. Welcome back to the program Kinda show. Let's start with audio. Let's start with audio from Scott Ross recently appointed to the Wisconsin ethics commission by outgoing Senator Jennifer shilling. This was apparently how she. She values the purpose of the Wisconsin ethics. Commission she put a partisan hack Hitman left-wing hit hitman. On the Ethics Commission Scott Ross Scott Ross, who has? Overtly defended the Constitutional John DOE law, the unbelievably on constitutional and terrifying actions of local prosecutors to engage in secret surveillance in violation of the first and fourth amendment of conservative. Simply because they didn't like the policies, those conservatives were supporting, nor did they like at that time. Governor Walker and his determination to enact even more conservative reform in Wisconsin. And that's that's a nice way of describing what Scott Ross did. full-throated Defense of the Jack booted stormtrooper tactics of people like John, Chisholm and Milwaukee County people like Ishmael Osan. In Dane County. At gunpoint, tossing people's houses, seizing their property, seizing their materials, threatening them if they spoke to their neighbors or spoke to anybody. They would be thrown in jail. Scott Ross defended that among other things among other things, calling conservatives Nazis clan members. I know that recently he referred to wins and talk show hosts Dan. O'Donnell I believe I. Believe Dan O'Donnell was the latest recipient of the of the accusation that he was a card carrying member of the clan. It is something that people like Scott. Ross are comfortable with he makes grams. Alinsky looked like a positively rational guy and I don't know if you remember grams. Alinsky but he was run out of his position as the spokesman for the Democratic Party in Wisconsin because he compared Scott Walker to Jeffrey Dahmer. Scott Ross! If only that's what he had done anyway. I'm GonNa, play some audio. This is the introductory meeting of the new appointees of the Wisconsin. That's the ethics commission. So, what does the Wisconsin actually bring on Adam Jarkko here before we play the audio? Let's bring on Adam Jarkko. Formerly of the Legislature Adam is now. The president of a wonderful organization called Empower Wisconsin some of the best investigative reporting. You're GonNa Find Matt. kittle now is within power Wisconsin Adam. Because, you, the Ethics Commission. What is this? This is a bunch of people right who look at complaints and compliance with Wisconsin Ethics Law. Right this was one of the two commissions that was created by the legislature in response, the John Doe, when we got rid of the government accountability for this one looks at campaign finance issues, lobbying issues of ethics in government issues issues. and. It's stack equally three Republican appointees. Three Democratic appointees and Ross is one of the three Democrat. Appointees an absolute embarrassment. I I can't. I was trying to think today. If a Republican wanted to appoint somebody as embarrassing as Scott Ross who who would the Republicans in a state of five and a half, million people pick and I couldn't even think of anybody when you said at the beginning of this that's got Ross is the most divisive Kirsten and Wisconsin political history I think you're right. I can't think of anybody who behaves as. The way that he does, and I can't think of any worse appointee. Then Scott Ross for for a condition that is supposed to look at really important. In government like you know ethics and lobbying and campaign finance. It's absurd. Right and let's play the audio here. This is the introductory. Meeting of the new appointees of the Wisconsin ethics commission including Sarraj just Scott Ross's. Introduction he's introducing himself. This was after he was asked to. Please just talk a little bit about himself here it is. I. I. mission. Will retain. Her In! Minor responsibilities view but also. On the world. White Guy. Higher Life White privilege black lives matter. What silence equals violence? Streak rotate every country and every corner Wisconsin. blacking were demanding ability to. They're treated. Equally. Wait a mirror. Treated I mean. Black people. In the workplace. Latino. Black people are treated equally schools. Black people are treated equally childcare. Short blackboard treated equally at the voting. People rightly. I. Forget we're all here. Free White Tower Guys Gerald. Her imagined the independent agency which preceded the. Reason they were being taught how? Were nation provision in the state thinks he's. Not only. Going to ask you. Commissioner Iraq. We actually just talk about yourself. To fifty nine. I know you're not but I. Had asked you to do and I gotTA respect. That was the that was the introduction Scott Ross. first demonstrably inaccurate information black PT people treated unequally by the police in the workforce in the schools and healthcare denied their right to vote. It's under savage assault. All of those things are at best at best. Debatable. But demonstrably eat. Easily In, many respects disproven, but Adam Jarkko on the phone with me from Empower Wisconsin. Scott Fitzgerald, Robin Vase. Walker three white men who created the commission to avoid accountability. I mean th. That statement is stunning for someone who's going to be on an ethics commission, because the reason that commission exists is because of the spectacular gob smacking, and utterly rejected by the Wisconsin Supreme Court rampantly unethical behavior of the Government Accountability Board in pursuing a witch hunt against Scott, Walker and Robin Voss and Scott Fitzgerald, and people like you and people like Blee Volkmar. Because of the Government Accountability Board's rejection of the very concept of following the law and the rejection of the concept of ethics itself. This guy is now going to have access to records on people he hates. The fear that the targets of the John DOE still process today because they have not received the information back after many years of being harassed by this process. which is think about if you're Robin, boss or Scott? Fitzgerald or even? Scott Walker if he ever gets back and we'll -SCONSIN. Politics just think about if somebody made an ethics complaint against them to the Ethics Commission and they were charged with investigating or deciding that ethics complaint. How would you feel if you're one of those guys or Republican that the set Ross has called a racist or any number, any number of awful names on twitter or facebook just think about how you would feel whether you'd get a fair shake in front of that commission. It's absurd. It's absurd to the point of offensive. In the problem with this is, it doesn't appear that there is a mechanism to to investigate someone for an ethics violation who serves on the Ethics Commission, which seems to me already necessary with the opening statement of a guy who just declared war on Scott Fitzgerald Robin Vase. No if I was king for a day or speaker of the. Senate majority leader I would seriously consider. Filing articles of impeachment. We haven't impeachment mechanism in our you more to the federal impeachment mechanism, not the same, but similar where it has to pass by majority of these defensively, and then a super majority of the State Senate, and I think at the very least even if they gave impeach, it should. Birth should be some accountability here. I mean this was a guy. Don't forget. That was caught up in caucus scandal and was admitted I think that he was campaigning on time, and now all of a sudden. He's in charge of make sure making sure that other people don't do the same thing. It's the absurdity and what? Whatever Gym Schilling was thinking when she did this. Is just beyond ridiculous and I think she was thinking. She was starting to get Scott Ross the not run for the Senate that opened up when risks or decided to retire. Think that's what she was thinking. and She so in order to prevent Scott Ross from filling the shoes of Fred Wrestler. Who's pretty much grown roots in the Wisconsin Senate She decided to inflict this guy's vulgar divisive partisan war on the rest of the legislature, because she's what trying to clear the deck for more preferred candidate to fill the shoes of Frederick Sir. I cannot think of any of the reasons. Why smart on somebody like him, other than maybe he was taking it seriously about running for that Senate and the last one that schilling needs to do, what the have thought Ross. Faith of the Wisconsin Senate Democrats when they're trying to lose enough seats to have a supermajority. Of Republicans in the Senate. Yeah, well I don't think Fred. Wrestler seat was at risk of going into the hands of a Republican Fred Wrestler serves. That but if you're running in patty soccer. And now you have to defend dot roth. There's another Democrat senator or Senate candidate. Democratic. Now now, the Democrats have to defend this guy on the ethics commission. A Guy who has actually defended illegal unconstitutional and to say unethical is an understatement behavior of Kevin, Kennedy and the Government Accountability Board as they used police powers in secret to violate the constitution, and and gather and spy is essentially on conservatives as they were trying to craft policy messages to try as best they can to cast a pall over governor. Governor Walker in his in his in his first reelection campaign I. Mean That's what the Government Accountability Board did with the help of John Chisholm in Milwaukee? County, who has never been held accountable with the help of Ishmael Osan and Dane County who has never been held accountable and Scott I. debated Scott Ross at a whiz politics luncheon for an hour. He defended the appalling abuse of power. That was that was executed. Executed against against kids, you know teenage kids as police with guns showed up to toss their house and terrified children in the home to threaten their parents with jail, not for violation of the law, not for violation of the law, but because the John Doe prohibited them from ever saying anything about it, so they were being, they were being attacked by their own government, and they couldn't say anything about it less be. Be Thrown in jail. That's the reform. The legislature enacted was pulling apart that Star Chamber Kabbah the Government Accountability Board and taking apart the John DOE law that permitted this abuse in the first place and Scott Ross in a full throated defense for an hour was politics said it was right, said those those live barrels pointed at people as their homes are being tossed were justifiable, and this guy's on the ethics commission. And his personality right if you if you think he wouldn't do the same thing today to any Republican in the state. You're crazy. He would start an investigation of every single Republican in the state I think because he would feel like it's justified. He thinks everybody. That's a conservative everybody. That's a Republican everybody that has libertarian. Leaning is automatically a race, a bigger each in what he called people. It's unbelievable that he would be on the. Adam let me ask you one question. Can the ethics commissioners themselves open up their own ethics investigations based on their own inclinations. Not, I. Don't think they would have the votes right because it would be three ties, and that's one of the issues with. The way that both the ethics and the Elections Commission are set up as as a three basically I i. think that it would there would be no tie breaker so even if there wasn't a mechanism I, don't think. Speaking of what happened. Adam Jarkko Empower Wisconsin wonderful or By the way power Wisconsin, check them out online. Follow on twitter as well because these are these are conservatives that aren't afraid to throw down like some of folks of the elected legislature can be a little careful. Power. Wisconsin just lays out there, so please check them out on twitter at empower W I also Adam Jarkko. Thank you for coming on the program today. You, too. There you go. That's we're stuck with. We're stuck with the guy who now. Has accessed information at the very least and innumerable friends in the left leaning media. And he is now the newest member of the Wisconsin Elections Commission possibly because an outgoing Democrat somehow wanted to avoid having to answer for the insanity that comes out of his mouth out of his twitter feed. If he were to serve in the Wisconsin Senate, at least he would be controllable in the Wisconsin Senate. We'll be right back. Welcome back to the program. Eight seven, seven to three, five thirteen ten number to call I'm going to talk about these local. Emergency health orders. They are popping up all over Wisconsin and I mean it I. I can't keep up their seventy two counties. And you have got multiple counties simultaneously, considering what in some cases are incredibly coney an emergency health order ordinances some of them, just simply incorporate the language from chapter two fifty two. This is the chapter that was rained in considerably. By the Wisconsin Supreme Court as the State Department of Health Services attempted to. Read its authority. Very broadly, but. The county ordinances that I am looking at are doing the exact same thing so again. I don't know everybody who is doing this right now. I know that Dodge County I. Believe may have tabled again. I don't know for sure because the counties are not being forthcoming for instance in Jefferson County. This is probably the second most coenen emergency health. Ordinance I've seen besides marathon. County talked about Marathon County. County about a week and a half ago. Jefferson counties where I live. How did we find out about this? And Eagle eyed citizen of Lake Mills. Happen to catch an agenda item on the county board clicked it open and saw this Ordinance County Board supervisors were not making it public. The Executive Committee Jefferson. County did not make this public. The Jefferson County Board did not make this public at talk. A citizen finding this happening into the same thing happening marathon county by the way nobody would've known about that. But for somebody recording a zoom Webinar. That was being conducted by an executive committee because it was not transcribed and made part of the public record so now this is available for people. If you want to go, see it. This is what Jefferson County my county. Is Planning to attempt to enact. An ordinance that would give Jefferson County's health. What health official the Jefferson County Health Officer as undefined in this Particular Ordinance, the Authority to establish systems of disease surveillance, inspection and identification ascertain the presence of any communicable disease with Jefferson County, and then this county health officer May with a special inspection war, and these are typically reserved for you know building inspections with a special inspection warrant, which essentially could be granted by the health body itself enter any private property building place of employment, vessel, or conveyance, not open to the public to inspect to issue orders and or to remove their frahm, any person affected by a communicable disease, if necessary to promote the safety and welfare of the public does communicable disease is defined if anybody cares as Appendix A. In Wisconsin Law Appendix A in Wisconsin Law which I believe is under chapter one forty five has a number of different diseases, everything from whooping cough to the flu to sexually transmitted, diseases diseases you've never heard about to food and waterborne diseases. The list of diseases is. Very Very Long, but furthermore Jefferson. County also does just in case there is a disease that it would like to regulate in the form of seizing people from their homes and entering those private private buildings, private properties with anything except their own self signed special inspection warrant. Say that if there is a disease that has not been listed in Appendix, say of Chapter One forty five under Wisconsin statutes. We reserve the right if it's important. To added to the list and empower ourselves thusly. This is happening because. Counties that chapter two fifty two, which gives counties, the authority to do a number of different things on emergency orders in public health chapter, two fifty to fifty two is not self executing so dhs would have to say Okay Jefferson County Okay Dodge County okay. Marathon, county. You guys need to deal with this. We're essentially giving you the legal authority to go forward and do this. What these ordinance do is is assume the legal authority for the county, and then expand the legal authority for county action well beyond at least in the case of Jefferson, county well beyond what is contained in chapter, two, fifty, two under state law. It also says that should any part of this ordinance be declared unconstitutional in the future assuming there are parts of this ordinance that will be declared unconstitutional in the future. We reserve the right to keep anything that isn't explicitly identified as unconstitutional as part of this ordinance. So what? What happens when you challenge Ordinal, say challenged the ordinance because I live in Jefferson County, and I challenged the overbroad nature of the ordinance, and if the court decides to take a narrow look. At this ordinance rather than a broad look at this ordinance, and let's say it's it's. It's Vicki McKenna challenges the. Authority that Jefferson County would give to itself to seize people from their homes and do what with them by the way it's not defined. It doesn't need to be defined. Presumably, presumably, the public doesn't even need to be involved in this because there wasn't public notice given before an executive committee decided to schedule this for discussion coming up in a couple of weeks. If I challenged the overbroad authority to seize people from their homes. The court could say I say that. The ordinance itself is overbroad for a whole bunch of different reasons. The court could say okay Vicki. We agree perhaps that it is too much authority that the county has conferred upon itself to seize you or somebody somebody's children for instance from their home. And perhaps it's a little bit too far to basically have a person who does not have any checks and balances have been granted this unbelievable authority to self sign. These inspection warrants were going to. To say you can't do that well, the county would say according to this ordinance. Everything else is going to stay intact. Everything else about this ordinance will stay intact including again the right to shut down public gatherings, churches funerals, you name it the right again to enter buildings in the that there has been identified outbreak by the way outbreak is also included in this ordinance, just communicable disease, but outbreak well, there's all kinds of outbreaks out there folks, and if you take a look at the list that the state of Wisconsin has provided in terms of. Eggs, there are plenty of outbreaks that occur that are not substantially going to affect people, outside and immediate and small group and yet Jefferson County would give itself the authority to enact these coney in rules which essentially suspend constitutional rights entirely. For, the purpose of controlling quote and outbreak, what if the outbreak is Clemencia? which is a sexually transmitted disease? Does Jefferson. County want to confer upon itself the Authority to investigate the spread of a sexually transmitted disease. How does it plan to do that? The flu does Jefferson County now want to execute this coney. Thirty to investigate the spread of the flu could then take quote reasonable and effective measures to contain the spread of the flu or of Columbia. What's it GonNa, do what is going to ban people from having sex without a condom. Is it going to force people to have flu vaccinations? We don't know. But counties across Wisconsin are doing things like Jefferson Jefferson. County is one of the worst I've seen and actually blows my mind. It's coming from Jefferson County. You would think this. is something coming from Dane County I'm GonNa. Take a quick break here. We'll be right back. This is the Vicki McKenna show. Hey, it's Mickey McKenna for Pella Windows and doors of Wisconsin. We'll have you been craving. Fresh air and sunshine I bet you after months of being cooped up, you have been while Pella. Windows and doors of Wisconsin is making fresh air and sunshine, easy, beautiful and affordable. You can now replace those. Those old creaky inefficient ugly windows, because Pella, has an incredible financing offer. It's your choice of twelve year two point, nine nine percents, APR financing or five years, no interest and five months no payments with qualified credit you know Palestinian the business of fresh air and sunshine for over ninety five years. 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Kobe nineteen likely makes a comeback in the fall. Because one of the things that is, that is making it. That me, allergist anticipate making this less severe right now is the fact that we're all outdoors. Outdoors, we're outdoors spread apart. It's same thing happens with the Monja things happen to happens with the flu. Same things happen. It happens with cold when you get outdoors when it gets warmer, these these these types of communicable diseases spread more slowly. They don't spread as readily so once you all we all get packed back in into our little human happy trails. Expected to come back and that's when these ordinances will then be executed. I've got Joe on the phone from Dodge County Dodge County. Has Tabled Their Ordinance Joe What happened how to Dodge County decide to table the ordinance. World. supervisor's all were meeting and they. Had their. Spokesperson, I don't know from the state or whatever where she exactly was from going over all these proposals on how the ordinance who should be written? And so. You know there's there's is three hundred three hundred fifty people That were all gathered outside telling them you know as a group. You know, vote. No, he on-. Once the started hearing. All the proposals and everything, and once you got on with her thing. We have among Sri of having a number of the county board supervisors that have commonsense, so yeah, they also. Have the knowledge of our rights and our liberties and everything else. That's the that was mentioned a number of times when they were starting to ask question so so joe. The simple answer I think is three hundred to three hundred fifty people showed up. People showed up so this couldn't be done without people knowing about it, and so those county board supervisors were forced to confront their constituents. That's the point here, folks a friend of mine who lives in Lake, Mills emailed me on Jefferson County and said I emailed my county board supervisor and it was the first contact had. First contact on this, because hardly anybody knows about it, and so, what's what's going on at good for Dodge County because I understand that there were some activated citizens in Dodge County, that put up a facebook page and got people alerted to this one. A one other thing that was mentioned by a number of the only board was that they were inundated with phone calls. Previous or prior to the meeting. Thank you Charles Girl. and. There was like I, said those people that were flying the American flag. There was in I mean there is a bunch of people out thought that. They had signs and letting them know that. We think that that is you know. Crazy! Enough find finest I guess out. Of the other things is, these people are not well prepared in there. You know arguments or whatever because I didn't catch the name some lady was. The public health officer of the city of Beaver dam. And so I did my checking and City of assured him does not even have a public health officer so there spouting off things. They really don't know you know talking about when you take them to question on like this. The you know, give you this. You tell by the sound of their voice. It's like I'm smarter than what you are I. Know Better than what you attitude and just gotTa. Stand their face basically and don't let them get by with the intimidation crap. Thank you for calling I. appreciate it because you said three things one show up to email and make phone calls three. Don't back down. Make an I should say four four. Make them answer questions. Make them answer questions so Dodge County tabled its health ordinance as I understand Marathon County. We talked about that crazy one that was going to actually assess twenty five thousand dollar finds. They tabled at why because people showed up. Jefferson Cownie now. It's on you because this. One in Jefferson County allows a health officer to seize people from their homes.

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What's Behind A Cluster Of Vaping-Related Hospitalizations?

NPR's Story of the Day

03:33 min | 1 year ago

What's Behind A Cluster Of Vaping-Related Hospitalizations?

"This message comes from n._p._r. Sponsor xfinity some things are slow like a snail races. Other things are fast like xfinity x. by get get fast speeds. Even when everyone is online working to make wifi simple easy awesome more at xfinity dot com restrictions apply dozens of people in the mid west have been hospitalized with severe lung injuries in the past month. It's unclear what exactly is causing the issue but the common blink appears to be vaping brands will smith reports when dylan nelson woke up from his coma. He found himself in burlington wisconsin hospital every time the twenty-six-year-old coughed fluid would come out of his lungs. It was like really painful. I couldn't breathe choking. Nelson came to the hospital days earlier when he called sister for ride there. He told her he couldn't breathe. He had pneumonia his blood oxygen. Level was just ten percent doctors. Put him into medically to clean deuce coma. Nelson doesn't remember any of it. I don't even remember getting to the hospital instead. It was his family that witnessed the ordeal at the hospital. His smother kim barnes told the nurse she worried she'd never see her son again and she said <noise>. We already treated an eighteen year old like this and she said we know of two more cases in milwaukee like her son. All of them had been vaping in the weeks and months leading up to their hospitalizations. Dylan nelson had been vaping t._h._c. oil but that was not the case with all of the patients because her was first detected by the wisconsin children's hospital in milwaukee where eight previously healthy teenagers teenagers were hospitalized with severe lung damage. Mike good side is the hospital's chief medical officer. It became apparent that the one preceding factor was that the patients had been vaping alarmed that this could be a health issue. The public needed to know about good site alerted the wisconsin department of health services. This is a perfect example. Example bram of public. Health should be working. Thomas helped as napa de miala just with the department which put out an alert asking conditions to be on the lookout for similar cases to the ones at children's owns hospital three weeks later there are fifteen confirmed cases in fifteen more suspected ones in wisconsin alone the investigation into the clusters ongoing ongoing but help says the common link appears to be vaping in similar cases have been reported in minnesota and illinois so it's sleeves like it's going to be more than wisconsin issue might actually be a national issue indeed the centers for disease control and prevention is helping five states investigate the issue wisconsin minnesota illinois indiana and california and some of the vaping cartridges used by patients before they are hospitalized heaven sent to the food and drug administration for testing dylan. Nelson zain was let go from his job temping factory after missing work for the week he spent in the hospital. He got a new job within days. Working twelve hour shifts at a different factory those very tough f first week and it was worth it and he says he stopped vaping altogether for n._p._r. News i'm bram sable smith in madison wisconsin. This message comes from n._p._r. Sponsor sponsor comcast business gig fueled network solutions that help businesses go beyond the expected to do the extraordinary comcast business beyond fast learn more at comcast business dot com.

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Ben Wikler

Two Broads Talking Politics

24:01 min | 11 months ago

Ben Wikler

"Hi This is matthew and I was born in menominee falls Wisconsin and you're listening to two broads talking politics part of the DEM cast podcast network. Hey everyone it's those e from talking politics as usual. I'm here with my co host. Kelly Hey Kelly and joining us. Today is Ben Wexler. He is the chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin Haven et. That'd be Hey Kelly. Thanks so much for forever man. Thanks for joining us so before we started recording you started telling me a little bit about sort of your background and how you became the chair of the Democratic Party. Can you Taylor listeners a little bit about yourself sure so I am from Madison Wisconsin where I live now with Democratic Party. Wisconsin is headquartered actually lived in the House House. Today grew up in my mom and Stepdad moved at about two blocks down the road. I've little kids so I grew up. Here was involved in politics really starting as a kid. Ah when I was eleven my godmother became the first American Indian woman to win congressional primary and I volunteered on her campaign and I put up guard signs and stuff envelopes and just totally got the bug and intern for Senator Russ Feingold and volunteered for a state rep who ran for Congress artists knows and high school Adams Terry Baldwin. She's now the US senator from Wisconsin and just kind of fell in love with progressive politics activism and I left town down for college and worked in politics and activism continuously since then most recently for found org. I'm where I was the director and really involved in the fight against repeal the affordable notable character in an effort to flip the house twenty eighteen. I I spent a lot of last year pullman Wisconsin volunteering eventually for Governor Levers and the Democrats running running statewide here and my wife and I had long dreamed of moving back to my home. She's from Arkansas but we we decided to move back last year and then I learned that are the previous they were kind of Cardi. Wisconsin decided not to run for a third term and I love a big fight and they want to turn by state blue and decided to run it was like June second so and my fourth month of the job now that's awesome congratulations and I'm also from Madison though it's pretty exciting to be talking to you but I I think sometimes people think of Wisconsin for some reason. Maybe it's you know the legacy has got locker. Think of Wisconsin is being a very conservative conservative state but Wisconsin's pretty purple. Can you talk a little bit about kind of the political landscape in Wisconsin right now absolutely I you know I grew up at I. I still feel like in my heart. Wisconsin is a very progressive state is the birthplace of the progressive movement. It's the the Republican Party was founded here. As a kind of radical AH Anti Slavery Party before it became a prohibitive today we had so many of the great progressive actions in this country have come out of Wisconsin. The the new deal was basically built by WISCONSINITE. S- we train eared worker's compensation laws paying public sector union organizing public radio AH domestic violence protections in the like all these different things came out of Wisconsin and if you pull the public they're still pretty pretty progressive on issues but what's happened. since citizens united is this flood of dark money. That's come into our state. The coke brothers have used it as a petri dish. There's this moment where Scott Walker governor rents priebus with the White House Staff Paul Ryan the Speaker of the house at this kind of you know Republican dark triad and they took an ax to all the things that had allowed the progressive tradition in the state to to grow so they make their campaign finance laws to essentially limit your participation by by labor unions or public support organizations and allow unlimited donations from individuals to to the state parties which allowed billionaires to pour money into the Republican Party to fund these Republican takeover efforts. They put in place voter. Id Laws that bar about two hundred thousand voters in twenty sixteen which which is about ten times the margin of victory that trump had they put it right to work laws and attend a smash the power of unions to organize. I they changed voter registration rules so that a student organizers on campus couldn't register students from all over the state at one gerrymandering cure is just beyond belief at the the degree to which mechanically ESPEC- preferences result in representations in the state legislature and all of those ways they put our democracy and chains they put it in in a system that didn't allow public well Detroit into public policy and that's what we're up against so we have a state with very conflicted electric in the last five elections. Wisconsin has gone for a percentage point less. You're the closest country in two thousand and four I we were famously wanted to very close states and most critical states in twenty sixteen. I'm we had the zigzag in the middle where Baba one by tournament Walker run by the time that will buy more and by the time the Walker run by todd so we're very jump ball and if you go out across the state it's it's such a polarized state politically and people that are potential swing voters tend to not be interest. They tend to be conflicted. They have strong opinions that lend them on both sides of the partisan divide and for that reason it's it's it's the turn battleground state is apt profoundly in Wisconsin because it really is about a fight to define what the what the what elections are about and then find all the folks who are on your side. Make sure they all get to the polls. There's it's you know you kind of have to have all of strategy as far as persuasion and turn out registering and engaging folks haven't voted or drop off voters and making sure all your supporters get the Bulls and trying to to reach out to folks were having second thoughts about trump and trump is trump strategies pretty clear. He's trying to turn out every possible. Trump supporter suppress everybody else so we have to both friends so I think we I probably would agree that. Wisconsin is one of the very most important states in a twenty twenty. Maybe all is when we in twenty when he eighteen we're doing our politics of individual states episodes. We started with Wisconsin because it was so interesting and important politically and you've just laid out the reasons that it is such a battleground. What's what's the strategy. You know what what does it mean to do all of the above. How how do you organize in a state. Hey where you need to be both persuading and getting out the vote in. There's a lot of different kinds. You know there's there's cities urban areas. There's very rural areas in Wisconsin. How do you organize is in a state like a great question. I love that you're asking about how that organized because I think the Democrats. We have this idea that there's some magic combination of words win. An election and people ask speak a lot of like party meetings and some of those people ask what is the message. What is the message that is going through and to me organized. We're GONNA key because the best messengers people from from one's own community so are are the corporate strategy is building neighborhood teams teams in every corner of Wisconsin and cities suburbs in rural areas organizing in the African American and Latino Mung and tribal nations. I'm working in the far north of the state your in every corner of the State to build teams of folks who are in their own communities who talk talk to their neighbors and to do this not just a month before the election but we've been actually organizing continuously in the field since the spring of twenty seventeen so we now have arguably the the strongest grassroots field program of any state party in the country and we don't have any state wide campaigns on twenty twenty. It's it's really it's a local races there. There'll be some congressional races and then the presidential race is is the only State Wide Battle the fall twenty twenty and to build up to that what we're focused on is making sure that there are people who have built longstanding relationships with all the voters identify new voters in their own towns talking to kind of party chair today rural county Barron County Wisconsin and he was out at a count of two thousand two hundred twenty one people last weekend and talked to dozens of people for whom we didn't have data previously about are they landed and he said that the Difference Between Twenty Sixteen win at the doors people were just couldn't bring themselves over the democratic kind of candidate for one reason or another to now I now people were it was love this president he was finding new volunteers at the doors the people where they'd never had any involvement with kind of credit before truck drivers and waitresses and people that trump thinks of as as his his base white working class voters. I there's a ton of voters out there and I think Democrats we've fallen into the trap where we write some communities off as being too who are hard to reach and we take for granted as being definitely you know turning up Democrats. I think we have to show up. Respect people listened to them about the issues that they care about an inbuilt the relationship over time so it's not just a transactional you know turnout next week. I typed conversation in the last last moments and that's that's core strategy and that's on doors that across in social media and good if you're texting and all the different channels that we can use as well it's human connection with credible local messengers that starts listening and respecting people where they are as opposed to try to convince them the CAP. Where's that they were our values match and asked people to take action based on values in terms of like Upper Midwest states we mentioned before but trump won in two thousand sixteen one Wisconsin by a very very narrow margin and his popularity is pretty pretty low in Wisconsin especially relative to other rust belt states. Why do you think trump is particularly an unpopular in Wisconsin. I I'm really curious about this and if we're thinking about it I will. I will fly that they've symbols offended more popular than others but he does seem to be under water and there's you know he lost the primary here. There's tons of Republicans especially like on right wing Talk Radio in Wisconsin that just really went after trump. There's something about him that is just so UN Wisconsin the Upper Midwest. There's no nice to trump is no you know it's just an unkind person and he's sort sort of laid bare a lot of the things within the Republican movement in and world and those things are on display when he visits the state and wherever he goes but they really run counter to the best traditions and political culture of the state so I think that is a big part of it. You know the the thing that you wouldn't have to think about two thousand sixteen is that both Clinton and trump did worst famously than Romney and worse than Obama did worse than Obama the previous times and worse than George W Bush and worse than John Kerry in two thousand and four. They got her votes than five out of the previous six potential candidates so there's a lot of people who just didn't pull I guess that's the touch screen for either of those candidates and I hope that the primary process we find somebody actually clicks with the state and the way that you know that lots of lots of folks have over the years the other piece is that in the party we have to build something that can work in all weather conditions Asian so to speak and that means making sure that images on TV are not the only form of communication that people have about what's happening and I think that the you know trump's excessively is that he causes people to throw their hands up in disgust or or freak out and it really is not just about his own turn out. It's also about killing people to walk away from the whole thing and convincing people at the system is rigged that they shouldn't trust the Democratic candidate and I think there's a sense in which we'll have the job of fighting cynicism and despair as much as we have of making a case against him. You know people who don't tend not to be. It's not that the people don't care. It's that they are. They're hopeless inside out but they don't think that there's no matter and part of our job is to build that hope we do that. I think by showing that you know organizing participation can have an impact on the local level that can let her up to the national level so I'm sure that a lot of our listeners would like to know how to help out in Wisconsin Kansin. I live in Chicago where we have a lot of interesting primary fights going on but the general election won't be very very challenged in very many places so so so how can people you know. I know that it's important for people inside Wisconsin to be helping out and that the best messengers are the ones that are in the towns but what can people outside of Wisconsin risconsin due to really help the Democrats in Wisconsin. There's GonNa be a bunch of different things so I would love to quickly outlined the sort of five fights that will define in the next couple of years for this party for for what we're focused on here and then how folks can plug into each of those and I should say there's a couple of moments before the things really kick into gear. What is this fall. Were doing a huge organizing around the weekend when you're out for the election system remember second third. Remember third is the literal one year from the election marks but it's a packer game day so you don't WanNa knock doors on this concentrating packer game the number second. We'll be knocking on doors. All over the state should come join us also be doing huge peer to peer texting drives to X. Motors especially folks that we have not been in touch with before I'm so that's something people can do from wherever they ar and we'll be building a system to be able to kind of training about folks to drive texting team so and I all the way through if you go to wisdom's dot org splash volunteer. There's a former you can feel like your information and the intake from west. ESPECI- volunteer goes to our organizing team so that we can then reach out the people into specific projects so this November. There'll be a moment. There'll be a special election for Steffi's district in northern Wisconsin. That's a pretty a long drive from Illinois that MINNESOTANS WANNA come over and help and folks it was constant and then we really hit the ground. These fights are the fights are I to win. The spring election and the spring election is the same as the presidential primary so April Seventh State Supreme Court rates. It's incredibly important for the future state. We'll have local races for County Board School Board that kind of thing all over the state and these presidential candidates here at the same time and we wanna use that the dress rehearsal for the general election fall which means we'll be thousands of folks how ya in their in their communities or visit joining neighborhood teams. I mean if you're paired up with local organizers you can you can help drive them. You can go to doors with them or be across the street I it is absolutely worthwhile to travel the Wisconsin to help out but do it in a way that flexing to the local infrastructure as opposed to creating a totally separate thing that might not be working from the same organizational strategy so winter spring election number one to is to inspire thousands of volunteers for the general election at our national convention so we're hosting the DNC Milwaukee next summer. They'll be foulland's of volunteers. They're twelve to fifteen thousand volunteers at the national convention people from all over can volunteer at the National Convention. If you Milwaukee Twenty twenty dot com you can sign up as a volunteer for right now. I'm you'll get some outreach over the next few weeks and we want to use it wants to get those folks engaged and trained in organizing to turn turn up voters and the vault so when the screen inspire voters inspire volunteers in the commission. The third fight is to stop the GOP supermajority 'cause Wisconsin Republicans Publican's three seats away in each chamber of the legislature from getting a supermajority as they can override the governor's veto and that's dangerous for every policy we WANNA make care about it's dangerous because that would allow them to lock in gerrymandered maths for another decade until twenty thirty two and I have a seven year old. He'll be graduating from high school by then like we need to have democracy before that so making sure that we fight against. Gop State legislative candidates depend on comments off your bears is vital and at the same time fight number four is we have to cancel trump trump second inaugural so you know we noted where the tipping point state can the Electoral College. We have a nominee for months and months. We don't know exactly when we'll have a nominee. We have to basically build a general election campaigning operation in the absence of a candidate the state party and that's what we're that the key aspect of all the work neighborhood teams doing across Wisconsin right now. The fistfight is organized the future so that we're ready for twenty twenty two when we've got all of our statewide candidates for reelection with the US Senate race wife New maps for the State Assembly Senate and US House and we cannot let that become come like twenty ten thousand eight then lost everything in a Republican wave. We're GONNA come out of twenty twenty stronger more aligned with more skills with everyone understanding how the organized with cutting edge technologies and tactics so that we come out swinging and brought through twenty twenty two and if you've been following along that's win. Inspire Stop Supermajority cancelled trump and organiz future spells out Wisconsin. That's love it. I will pretend that was a coincidence so I noticed on twitter. You guys are hiring an executive director for the Wisconsin the Democratic Party I have to say not a whole lot of things would tempt me to move away from Chicago but I I mean that's. That's GonNa be a pretty awesome job. I will not lie. It's going to be a very intense job and so much question for state parties catch a Lotta Arrows but it will be a job for whoever is in it where they'd never ever have to wake up and wonder if there's something else that they should be doing in the world it is the stakes are enormous. We have a really strong team. We actually have two executive directors now now. We're just going to expand the leadership team. I'm so that you know I think they'll there. There are other senior leadership roles that they'll be in working with executive directors leading the team overall and it's a roller you know you can help shape the future the state and the future of the country at the same time so. I'm I we have a bunch of like really great candidates Kennedy to applied and I want to build a big diverse candidate pool as possible and then we'll have a committee hiring process that there's the field in the in the coming weeks the listeners if you've never been Wisconsin you need to come here. That's why you need to come here and camping because we have amazing stuff. This is the I've lived all over the country all over the world best place. I've ever lived hands down. Medicine is fantastic so come come and do some canvassing coleman enjoy a delicious tease Kurds. It's an are beautiful vistas. You'll love it and beer. Don't forget your ear my God. Oh my gosh but you know our wine isn't bad either. I have to say he wouldn't think that's great. It is there's so much there's so much good stuff and it really like I. I just love that raising my kids here. I live up here and there's so many other parts of the state that are still great. I like I'll be probably northrop Wisconsin a lot over the next month because of the special congressional election there when I was a candidate a can't in violence county which is the northern remember the state and it is the most like when I think of my mind like whereas they call them place. It's a beautiful place that is where I mentally go. There loons that you can hear sure they're like beautiful. Sound Basque is beautiful at northwest pine trees towering above you and somebody filtering in Ah such a great place and you know you can not only come in android here you can also stop. Republicans from smashing industry future the world and you can also build a progressive future that celebrates all the things that have made the state great big destination for twenty twenty for sure Ben. Is there anything else that you want to make sure talk about today. I would be remiss as a state party chair if I didn't flag not only here but also west of us that work slash donate up where folks can very rapidly make a big difference of what we what we do at the State party fighting. All those five fights at once is not a cheap endeavor restaffing quickly. We and we have a lot more to do on their front so if you're thinking about making a recurrence relation to something to stop trump by all means choose your favorite presidential primary candidate but you should also start investing now what it'll take to win the general election and that's that's really what we're focused on. I I sort of I think the primaries you know going. It'd be going on for however long. It takes already in the general election in Wisconsin and help to be able to really makes a difference. The last thing I'd say is that if you're in Wisconsin and I hope that anyone listening to this podcast we'll think about running for local office. There are so many offices that are open this spring and a lot of them are Republicans. Who've never faced the Challenger. We're going to be building a tool where people can find all the offices that they're eligible for and registered with us. They're they're interested in running. We'll have trainings a bunch of we can do to help support you running processes. It's extraordinarily way to be part of our democracy and frankly you could also help train volunteers and teach people turn out voters who might not otherwise vote and that could topple the visiting president so think about running for office donating volunteering I get involved and of course reading and reviewing your favorite podcast about and I just WANNA call out if you're a woman Wisconsin has a particularly really strong emerged program and they are going to be accepting new potential candidates as well so go ahead and check that out absolutely an Air Force to rent that that is terrific at emerges amazing amazing organization that we work very closely with excellent well then thank you so so much for coming on the podcast. been really excited about getting to talk to you. I I have a special place in my heart for Wisconsin. I have never had the privilege of living there but my husband husband grew up there and has family there so we're up there quite a bit anyway so maybe I will join you guys on the trail knocking doors please. Do I would be for folks in the Chicago area. I'm GONNA COME TO THE INDIVISIBLE CHICAGO SUMMIT OCTOBER FIT which they'll be posting information about so Chicago intensely. I'll be being Pittsburgh Front. I come up from Illinois about. I'd love to see all right excellent. Well thank. You Ben and we'll post all of the information don't the links that you gave us on our website as well so that people can check those out and help you send good people than's way both for volunteering and for for this executive director position you really appreciate it. Thanks for listening to to broads. Talking politics are theme song is called. Are you listening off of the album. Tom Elephant shaped trees by the Band Nouri and we're using it with permission of the band. 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The COVID-19 Data Wisconsin has is Inaccurate

Vicki McKenna

33:09 min | 2 weeks ago

The COVID-19 Data Wisconsin has is Inaccurate

"Broadcasting Planted Madison the Bruce City and the world on iheartradio. Vicky mechanics show to be a part of the. Cova Hotel Gaining Wisconsin dells toll free line at Eight, seven, seven, three, five, thirteen. Email victim WNBA dot com now here's. Good Afternoon Walton Program. Mechanics mechanics show. Finally washed my mask. The Mask I am wearing pretty much under duress. But I did wash it. I think it's the first time I've washed my mask and up. Five days about Monday. Anyway just thought. I'd update people on that, so you do happen to cement am forced to wear masks at least. It has been recently cleaned. See me in two or three days. It will not have been recently cleaned. And if that grows you out, please by all means. Stay away from me all right. Here's what's coming up on the program. How about some fake numbers? For covid nineteen positive tests. In, Wisconsin? How about some of that? Here is macgyver institute at Yesterday's briefing. The Iverson's ministration admitted that the COVID nineteen data they are providing to the public is incomplete and inaccurate. Andrea Palm said a number of local jurisdictions are not submitting the total number of negative tests each day palm the not say how many local jurisdictions are not reporting accurate information. We believe Dane County and Milwaukee County are among them. Continues, nor did she say how long the HSA has been publishing inaccurate data. Palm said the accurate number of negative test results are behind day or two or three. The big problem here is that Governor Iverson. Some local public health officials are using this inaccurate data as justification to keep our economy from opening completely restrict movement and mandate the wearing of masks by the way Tony. Iverson's two weeks ago. Said Nah I. Don't think I've got the authority dish mask mandate today. I'm the GUM considering issuing a mask mandate. macgyver continues. Wisconsin nights cannot trust. The COVID, nineteen data, coming from public officials will Wisconsin I. It's trust or follow. The covert nineteen directives and guidance handed down by public officials. State Senator Steve Nas is going to join me on. This NAS said. In, response to this information that we're getting the positive tests, but we're not getting the negative test to report it. It's kind of a big deal. He says quote by rapidly including the positive test results, but delaying thousands of negative test results from being included in the data related to the public. It provides a seriously incomplete picture of covid nineteen in Wisconsin. Yeah It sure does, doesn't it? Now. Piggybacking on that extraordinary. Piece of Information We, have, Matt kittles peace and Empower Wisconsin. And Matt Kiddle took a look at the stories that have been going around our state about people waiting in line for Corona, virus tests, but the lines being too long and people getting out of line, but getting positive test results anyway. Kennel kindle reported on it and confirmed it. That's happening. It's actually happening. We don't know to the extent. It is happening Andrea Palm probably doesn't know to the extent. It is happening, but it's happening in Wisconsin. And yet the governor now is saying. I'm seriously considering issuing a statewide mask mandate. More on that coming up on the program, here's what else is coming up on the program. Where is the national attention to the murder of Phil? season. Does, anybody who this guy is. Pretty extraordinary guy. United States Marine Corps veteran. Fairfax Virginia Police. Officer retired. Special Agent for the Wisconsin Department of Justice DCI in the crimes against children unit. So. We had a marine corvette police officer. And special agent for the Wisconsin DOJ murdered. And nobody's saying word about it. That's next. We're GONNA. Talk about this. Why was he murdered? Why was Mr Theissen murdered? He was murdered because he was riding a Harley. Davidson and he was white. And the person who killed him, said people who ride Harley Davidsons are white racists and he hates trump. We'll be right back. This is Vicky McKenna show. Welcome. To the program. Yes much much more on the. Manipulated data we are seeing coming out of DHS on covert nineteen in Wisconsin at much much more on that. I wanted to talk about a story. That's getting almost no attention and it is the the homicide of Philip Diesen who is a Marine Corps veteran. A. Retired police officer from Fairfax Virginia. and. also formerly of the Wisconsin Department of Justice Special Agent in the Division that investigated Crimes Against Children Philip these on this is name. Where's the story on this man? Where's the attention to the story on this man? You might be thinking why. Philip these was. killed. because. He was riding a Harley Davidson. And because he was white. And the person who killed him. Allegedly twenty-seven Daniel Navaro said that people who ride Harley Davidsons are white racists and he hates Donald Trump. Just the. Reason he gave for killing Philip season hit him deliberately with his truck. Where's the attention to this? This is a hate crime. It's been charged as a hate crime, but Nobody's paying attention to the story. Jake Curtis wrote a piece for National Review so it's got some more significant national attention. Very little attention paid in Milwaukee Fox six did a story right right? I think what they did was cut and paste the Fox eleven story. The local media that was on the scene when the police were called. I believe channel twelve in Milwaukee did a story. Where's the Madison Coverage Whereas the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel? Where's the nonstop analysis of? The. Hatred? that the left has. found. They have for Donald Trump so completely steeped in the vicious bigoted racialist rhetoric. That they seem to think is going to get them votes in November that a man. went out of his way to kill Philip Diesen because he was riding a Harley Davidson. And people who Harley Davidsons are white racists Jake Curtis is on the phone with me. He did the piece in National Review. Thankfully, it's getting quite a few shares, and so there is a bit more attention, but the attention nationally Jake Fox News Washington examiner. These are the outlets that are doing it, and so those are conservative outlets. You're not seeing widespread distribution of this story, and there is almost no outrage of course except by people who knew this man. Thanks for having me Vicki you're absolutely right. Frankly this is just a story. That's been bothering me this happened. Over the fourth of July weekend, so we're going on well I think it would be three weeks from today July. Third mister season got up wanting to take his harley. I spin and as he's out and find Wet County Mr Navarro decides to allegedly obviously alleged, but as alleged criminal complaint swerve his truck head on into. Mr Fees and kill him There's no connecting the dots here. According to the complaint and based on the statements, he made to the police as detailed in the complaint he did this intentionally and you're absolutely right point down in my piece in national review, he sites to recent events, the racial climate in the United States he references a silent majority that voted for Donald Trump as. As president and the political and racial tensions in the news lately, including racial tensions related the president. Trump is really the the reasons for what he did what he did. According to the complaint, he emphasized that if trump and white people are going to create a world like we're living in, and he has no choice, and people are going to have to die. And then deciding to act on this rage He's alleged intentionally skipped his truck into the-then on. Because all Harley writers are white racist. And you know there's no doubt that it was intentional. According to the complaint, he was he had been thinking about targeting a white person and killing them with a vehicle early that day any pick the motorcycle because he wanted the person to die, because white people drive motorcycles, and the hardly culture is made up of white racist. And you would think in this I guess this is the thing it's been bothering me. Most of all is in this current political climate These are the type of stories we need to be covering. If we want to have these hard conversations I mean I. Think we all agree. Particularly you know in places like Milwaukee. We have to have tough conversations and those are good, but they have to be real conversations. We can't allow the media to essentially handpick and preordained, which conversations are worthy of having, and here you have a Marine Corps veteran. Something Twenty six years with the Fairfax, Virginia Police Department, and then came back I'm guessing I. Don't I don't? I didn't know Mr the-then? Family but presumably to be closer to friends and family and serve two years of the. Wisconsin Department of Justice going after. You know people that many of us would agree or some of the worst folks as far as targeting children, and so I mean a real hero as far as somebody who devoted their life to public servants, and against you in this political environment. How this is not a more relevant story and. I'm sure you've been doing the same thing I've been kind of anecdotally talking to people over the last three weeks because when I saw story, I come I have to be a major story. And days went by and I started to talk to people. Have you heard about this? Individual would happen I? Could not find a single person that that that knew about and newly reunited is because a friend of mine sent me an article. Article From Fairfax Virginia. From Fairfax Virginia newspaper It's it's it's absurd, and it just shows the vice and coverage he dies, and it's appalling, because if you actually show now here. No no coverage of his funeral right, so we didn't have pictures of the parade of the law enforcement officers that were that were going to be at the funeral. We didn't have any attention, so nobody even had an opportunity to say. Here's another another. Another police officer another cop that was killed in this case, he was killed by a racist, a racist who overtly identifies the media as the reason he believes that there's all these kinds of white racists running around despite the fact that there are appear curse now for instance at National Review, where your pieces published yesterday you know published a scathing takedown of the of the pedaled political lie of systemic racism. None of that ever gets. Gets any attention. It's all everything's racist white supremacy. Everything's racist. This guy believes it thinks that white people out to get him and decides to get one of them. I you would think that this would be interesting. Enough interesting enough for a national conversation, but apparently not and no coverage of the funeral, no coverage for instance of the funeral where our former attorney general Brad. Schimmel attended, but our current attorney general. Josh call was missing. Early right and that's frankly one of the more disappointing thanks. Mistress decent was born wonky. He went to high school and fondling. Came back to finish off his career serving at the Wisconsin Department of Justice. I mean there was a clear connection to Wisconsin a key figure in law enforcement. I think you and I were talking off air some of the things we're also hearing. After this story received attention national view as the fact that he he was a key figure at the Wisconsin Department of Justice. You know there's no secret that these crimes against children are horrific, and as apparent myself are almost unimaginable. People like him are doing quiet and Brinkley unbelievable work. I can't imagine having to do that type of work, but we need somebody to go. After folks that are committing these crimes so to your point, somebody that really should have been who service should have been celebrated and honored, and you know media attention as you allude to. I've heard after the fact, the former attorney general wasn't attendance. Along with some of his former key staff you know frankly sad. It's sad you. Culture we need more heroes, and then I don't know Mr Season. I never met him I. Don't I've never met anybody from his family, but by all accounts, a great guy that should have been celebrated, and I was talking to my wife this morning. It's just when you think about it. It's so sad. The Guy Wakes Up July third weekend to enjoy -joy weekend. To enjoy you know the the weather out entirely, and he ends up getting killed because he's. He's writing Harley in in this demented person's mind. That's grounds you know to have them essentially assassinated. Called it in my article, Vicky in my mind in this is why I think the wrong didn't receive more attention. This was a political assassination as you pointed out you know. The statement made to the. You made very clear that this person what by definition a racist. And this person said I'm targeting a white individual, and in particular white individual on a Harley cause for some reason that that conjured up the image of racism in this person's mind, and you know I'm not say college I have no idea what sort of thought processes going to these head, clearly somebody that was. Disturbed but but unfortunately based on. You know things he may have read or seen. He acted out on that. And of course the media didn't closet. But if we're going to have these conversations. They need to provide fair coverage. provide coverage of of situations like this and when they don't. It's just hard not to conclude that they're filtering the infamy now, absolutely true. I'm looking at the wheeler report. This is a place that people check for press releases from government agencies, and in the entire month of July I. Mean You know I just did the search for the entire month of July? I'm looking at every single press release that was put out by the Attorney General Josh Call. Aig Call react to trump. Administration's changing new visa rule. AG Call Announces. Judgment Requiring Environmental Restoration AG call in Multi State Coalition Coalition, urging US senator to Increase Child Care Funding AG. Call filed suit against Secretary Betsy Devos in US Department of Education for repealing quote. Critical borrower defense regulations. AG Call Urges Senate to give fifty billion dollars to daycare providers goes on like this Ag. Call issues statement about potential federal federal agents coming to Wisconsin nothing. Nothing. On Philip season nothing in the entire month of July from the Attorney General's office nothing, it's stunning. Not We. Thank him for his service. This was horrible. We are going to bring this person to justice. This is one of our own nothing. Jake nothing good good to have you on the program by the way Jake Curtis. National Review. Wheeler report. Go check it out. Not a thing was put out a statement about Josh. Call doesn't think we need federal agents in Milwaukee. How he's GonNa, Sue Betsy Devos, but nothing about a man who put in time to investigate crimes against children at the Wisconsin, Department of Justice, who was murdered, because he wrote a Harley Davidson was white, and the murderer hated trump. And thinks everybody's racist. We'll be right back now. I saw this story today on Fox six I went to go see if the story was anywhere else. It is showing up at heavy DOT com. Fox Six and then multi housing news but I don't think the multi housing news story is about the murder. Of Burnell Trammell. Who is a black trump supporter killed in Milwaukee? The entire article at Fox six did not mention. He was a trump supporter. Article. So, six year, old trump supporter. Who Black? was also killed. Apparently, that's not. An interesting piece of information to share. Because you wouldn't want to ask you. Have people ask themselves? Was this also a political assassination? Like Philip these. Heavy Dot Com is going to have more information about that than local media. Heavy Dot Com is where you're gonNA WANNA go. My guess is and I'm just. GonNa. I'm just GONNA. Go out on a limb here. My guess is that Jessica McBride did the story. Because she's an editor there. From Milwaukee I. Don't see a byline on the story at heavy dot com. That's where you're going to find more information about this particular case, heavy H. E. A. V. Y. dot com, all right state Senator Steve. Nas is on the phone with me. To chat about co vid. Nineteen numbers that are being reported in the state of Wisconsin without. The negatives included in those numbers. It's good to have you on the program. What in the holy? Hell is going on Steve. Well I think there's a lot of. Clearly a lot of problems here we have a lot of negative numbers I understand. The positives will go in first because you wanna be able to then trace individuals, however, in order to have accurate numbers. You have to have the negatives in well. There's a backlog on negative, so we're getting inaccurate data whether you do the one day seventy fourteen day average were getting in accurate data. They're sitting on the thing across the state of Wisconsin. Some counties are worse than others Dane County in particular which I'll get to his terrible and the that. Government is making decisions based on the percentages. Ideally we want five percent. If it's five percent or lower were in good shape, not great you know we should zero, but but we're good to go ahead, and if it's higher than that, then of course, government can step in and say you've got to wear a mask you see. Your travel has to be limited such as what New York did with US deciding that Wisconsin residents have to be quarantined. If you come out here to New York because you're your percentages are so doggone hot was they made that decision on in accurate? Data. Deck, the local governments are making these decisions on in accurate data because of the negatives are not being re silt. Netters so racine, which narrowly passed a mask mandate made that decision based on inaccurate data about covid nineteen spread. That doesn't include the negatives because there's a backlog recording the negatives. That is correct DHS. Knew. This was going on I. had kind of sniffed us out a little while ago in finally zeroed in on it and Da Chess knew that this was going on for months. The increases in percentages that we saw well. We know that inaccurate, but it quite frankly, there's a lie what they were putting out, but the the response is. That's not significant. Course enough close enough, so the department is lagging way behind on responsibility. They're not being transparent. They're giving US faults, numbers and let me point to Dane County since since I have flagged this today. I found out this afternoon. That endanger county. They just came clean and if we had time eight ask guess how many negatives have not been entered Dane County. Well it ends up. It is about seventeen thousand. Negatives have not been reported. Here's the kicker. For All of the bars and restaurant owners out there and people who are now forced to wear a mask. You got the mandate out there basil, although it was based on faulty data their percentage now if you add those negatives in. would be two point one percent. So basically opened the doors right Steve. You're saying now. Why? What is the excuse because you have the Dane? County public health. Department out there speechifying. They're trying to shut down a little coffee shop and Middleton. That is resisting the mask mandate and. With his righteous. Indignation as they can muster the mask. Karen's are out in full force, trying to shame people and get them find and all of this when we have two point, one percent of people testing positive and Dane, county which means open the doors without masks, mandates or restrictions and Tony Evers, talking about a statewide mask mandate. Well an Indian. County Tony can open up the government buildings for crying out loud there at two point one percent. Let's get people back into buildings, and and actually back there working where they were there used to be working. You know the problem is I think what happened quite frankly, this is my belief is that it's not a mistake that this happened in Dane County. They were pumping the numbers because they wanted to. To get to that mask mandate, and they wanted to put black boot of government on the throat of Bar, owners and restaurants, and they did that and they did it using bad numbers. They had to know about the backlog. They had to know that in that the backlog would change the percentages now. The other shoe dropping to is that this because these numbers go in statewide, the the percentage statewide has got to drop also. So th. It because every county goes in and obviously seventeen thousand negatives is huge. It's not that great in some counties, but it's huge, and it will affect the state numbers and drive that percentage down. I'm sorry I'm here trying to get this out. You know the information that you just shared because that's extraordinary. That is enough tests in one county to dramatically lower the overall positive test rate in the entire state Steve that so big. That number is in Dane County. Never mind it completely. Obliterates the positive test numbers that have been promoted by Dan County Public Health and use to justify keeping the boot of government on the neck of businesses and harassing people into into out of fear into compliance with orders that make no sense according to the data. That's what it's all about. This is all about fear and scare. We want a mask mandate. We're going to get one way or the other. H. Says all the numbers there, yeah! Are the negatives, not being totally reported. Yes, that's true. We'll get them in there at some point, but it's not significant. I would say it is significant and I would say Dane County I believe purposely held back these negatives. Long enough so they can get their mask mandate, and they can restrict restaurants and bars, even some more of your restaurant or bar owner man. You GotTa be lid you. There's there's a someone who just went to a small restaurant by the Dane County airport. A place that is beloved by many people at Twenty. Five percent capacity of the guy says four weeks from now I might not be open. You know twenty percent. which is what they're doing. Do we have any other counties that are particularly egregious offenders like Dane! County because I think you're right this this. If this is explained by incompetence than everybody needs to be fired fired, and if this is not explained by incompetence than this than the Dane County Public Health Department needs to be investigated, and somebody needs to be held accountable and lawsuits filed. If this has been deliberate Steve, so who else has been the large offenders here well I don't have a list of county by county. That would be very interesting. I just found out about the Dane. County and this was like turning over. Run One rock at a time. It will be very interesting as time goes on to see what the backlog in some counties is. Is all over the state. Of Wisconsin some may have been pretty good others. I'm guessing there are lot of other out, so we know. Accounting of all the negatives that have not been recorded is what you're saying. We don't have an accounting of the actual number of negative tests that have not been recorded except in Dan County I would say somebody out. There knows it could be D. H. S. probably you would think. Certainly the local health departments just like endanger county. Whether I would go out to Walworth Jefferson Rock in my legislative district or you go to Chippewa wherever you go pam buying. Whoever that local director is? They've got to know what the what negatives are. That have not been entered into the system at this point, and when they enter a man some of these. Could be two or three days old others, seven or eight days old? It's really a hodgepodge and others unfortunately, and hopefully if you're a number, could be ten eleven twelve days old maybe more. When you mix that in your, it's apples and oranges. You don't. You're not getting accurate data idea, right? You have no idea what the day to day surge or or reduction is because all of the negatives are backing up and so they're all going to get piled in at one point, so you don't have a picture of what the graph looks like right? That's right and government is making decisions based on this government thinks Oh, it's okay. It's. Okay, so here I'm looking at Fox six out of Milwaukee Governor eager statewide mask mandate something we're considering as Cova nineteen surges. That headline is a lie that is a lie because we don't know what the actual picture of the spread of covid nineteen is in Wisconsin because we have counties, withholding negative test results so that headline is actually a lie and I. Don't know if it's ally. And they knew it, or if it's like his Tony Evers, let him get. Let them believe it, but that headline right there is a lie and yet the governor says he's considering a statewide mask mandate. And D. H. is not interested in going back and correcting the numbers no. Invisible Tony ought to say to the department. You've got to correct these numbers, so we can make a decision by government based on real real. WanNa. Talk about also all the time. Is that always got a number of positive tests oh? My God positive tests have gone out well a as you test for her. Of course they're going to, but you gotta compare that against negative when you have real negative numbers that are in the system, so the scare tactic every day more people test positive mark people every news. Alerts every news outlet. Every local news outlet puts up alerts screaming. Breaking news alerts. Number of positive tests increases in Dane. County will no blank, because we don't know how many that the number of negative tests have increased as well. Exactly so you put the negatives in there now you're down to two point one story changes, and it's not panic doom and gloom, and you can't keep the Buddha government on people, so that's that's the difference in of course when you get people in government love power. They just eat this up Steve. Let me. Ask you to go to. H. is not interested in correcting the record. What do you mean not interested in correcting the record? Yeah, that's what I have at this. At this juncture in time. been been told that Yeah, they're not interested in going back and correcting the record. Don't necessarily tonio gotTA GIVE US accurate. Correct the record everything we know about Wisconsin and is based on a lie. Here's my question to you. When is the Senate going to fire? Andrea Palm? Well. I have actually indicated to both As you know. I for a long time. She was on my list of a couple department heads to not approve. We only got one so far. That was department of AG. I have said for a long time. She needs to go I have also noted that to our leadership in the Senate that she has got to go and one of. Of the things we could do it will take the people to rise up is to go back and virtual session and pull the trigger on that because we were in virtual session wants this is relative. It doesn't take a lot of time and we could We could make that happen. Will it well? This is where the the people would have to rise up and demand so. Demanding it means make sure you context Senator Senate Majority Leader Fitzgerald make sure you contact your senator as well and say we want a special session to fire Andrea. Palm because lying about Cova one thousand nine. In Wisconsin by denying people access to accurate information about negative test results in order to make the positives looks scary that is that is nothing more than an excuse. Government is using to keep businesses destroyed and keep kids out of school Steve. Keep, keep a pass. Mass mandates that are not necessary and never account for the fact that almost fifty percent of deaths in Wisconsin came from nursing homes, and we still haven't had an investigation into that well. That's the big secret was the media. Oh don't talk about the nursing homes. If there are people out there that have passed away all, let's not talk about their heart, disease and diabetes and obesity. We don't WanNa talk about that. Just the numbers just give him the numbers. That'll keep them scared. We are getting. We are being rolled. Over and over and we have been since March. Thank you for getting this information. One More Time, folks for those of you just joining me and just put this out on twitter I'm going to have to get this up on facebook and everything else state. Senator Steve Nas just reported on my show. That Dane county has not recorded seventeen thousand negative corona virus tests when those numbers are added Dane County moves to a two point, one percent, positive test rate, which means that according to the metrics Dane County should be fully open right now Steve Nice. Thank you for coming on my program and doing this work. The work that reporters won't do was just done by state. Senator Steve. Nas thanks for coming on your good to have you. This is the kind of stuff that reporters should be asking Steve. Nas happened into it. No reporters ask these questions I gotta take a break. This is Vicki McKenna show I will be right back.

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