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Fresh update on "wisconsin" discussed on Newsradio 950 WWJ 24 Hour News
"Cut. We could do the payroll tax deferral. He's going to go to the American people and tell them that When he's re elected, he will push through legislation to forgive that, so in essence, it will turn into a payroll tax cut. President Trump has threatened executive action against vote by mail. He continues to insist that could be corrupt. Ohio Governor Mike DeWine, speaking on CNN this morning, was asked how his state is done with it. And if he has confidence vote by mail will go well. We have long experience in voting by mail. We have a no. No reason you'd want to give a reason. For four weeks you can get an absentee ballot. It's working seemingly well in Ohio. This comes as Michigan reported a record number of absentee ballots being mailed in for the primary election earlier this week. CBS News releasing a new battleground tracker poll today. It shows voter attitudes toward mail in voting. Jennifer to Pento, CBS News deputy director for survey was details as President Trump continues to raise concerns about mail in voting and Democrats raised concerns about the Postal Service. Pennsylvania voters by 3 to 1 and Wisconsin voters by for one think it should be easier rather than harder to vote by now, but the president's voters maybe getting his message. Republicans are generally opposed to making it easier to vote by mail and instead prefer keeping the system as it is. An investigation into a canceled contact tracing.
Biden leads in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania due to COVID concerns
"Election. Now, our new battleground tracker poll says Joe Biden leads President Trump in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. CBS's elections and surveys Director Anthony Salvant hotels face a nation what this says for the election, and when you look at what's changed since 2016 Donald Trump won these states Based on a lot of voters who were looking for change when they look back. Now they tell us this is not necessarily what they expected. In fact, more say that things have gone worse then things have gone better, and that's kind of your classic voting calculus and play right now. Well, the
Fresh update on "wisconsin" discussed on WBBM Programming
"We're got the military already. It's gold and will end is pandemic and we will rebuild the greatest economy in the history of the world to the election. Now, our new battleground tracker poll says Joe Biden leads President Trump in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. CBS's elections and surveys Director Anthony Salvan hotels facing nation what this says for the election, and when you look at what's changed since 2016 Donald Trump won these states Based on a lot of voters who were looking for change when they look back. Now they tell us this is not necessarily what they expected. In fact, more say that things have gone worse then things have gone better, and that's kind of your classic vote in calculus and play right now. Well, the election process could take a bit longer than we think. CBS News is, Maria Garcia explains. Republicans and Democrats have already been clashing over how to run an election during a pandemic. But President Trump's unfounded claims a ballot male and fraud Have now caused both sides to lawyer up and it looks like we're headed into an explosive court viewed that could turn Election day into a week a month or even longer under the so called Safe Harbor provision. Those states have until December 8th to resolve disputes over election results. That's the same deadline that led to the Florida recount being called off in the 2000 election, with George W. Bush beating incumbent BP Al Gore. Maria Garcia CBS News Sparta, North Carolina rock by the strongest earthquake it's seen in more than 100 years. Surprising Tom Tusi, who was spending the weekend at his mountain cabin. Thankfully, no major damage, but Definitely experience that I will never forget. A 5.1 magnitude quake hit just after 8 a.m. This morning it was felt in several states from Georgia to Maryland to Ohio. There have been no immediate reports of injuries, and Sparta sits among three seismic zones. This.
Learning curve: Higher education during COVID
"But we're going to start off right now, with the executive director at Wisconsin Virtual learning, Michael Leech. So many schools had to go through a major transition and learning curve this spring due to the Corona virus, and they'll likely have to do some sort of hybrid learning this fall. If not all, virtual, you being part of a virtual learning school for quite some time in your experience, What do you see as the pros and cons of online schooling? I think, I think certainly some of the pros of online learning or that this pretty flexible model that online learning sort of Adopts and that students can learn anytime anywhere for the most part, but also offer students the opportunity to work at their own pace. Um, obviously, within some parameters, but I think a lot of students would like the opportunity to challenge themselves and try to explore content and in a different way. Some of the cons. I mean, it's not. It's not for everybody. That's a model that students in W. D. L have had a chance to choose. Unfortunately, this last spring, a lot of people didn't really I have a choice, and they were sort of thrust into this online learning model and and again, but it not being for everyone. Sometimes students maybe don't have the independent motivation or Some of the ability to have a structure schedule on their own. That could be a challenge for students to try to maintain connection to their learning connection to their peers. I was just going to ask you about that. How do you make up the structure? The socialization aspect when you're learning online because We all kind of forget how important it is to develop friendships and relationships and notice social cues, and that's all a part of life learning, and we we do learn that in schools, too. Absolutely. I think you know, social media has helped us quite a bit in the realm of trying to help cannot, kid kid. They're connected. More than ever. Andi has found ways to connect more than ever electronically, so Social media actually is a huge way. The students cannot both in brick and mortar and on virtual in virtual settings on the TV l we offer social opportunities we way provide the community with outings and field trips. A cz well as we do have gatherings where sometimes students will meet When things aren't obviously in quarantine or sent home. We'd have opportunities for students to meet on campus. Sometimes we have study sessions in person of people. Students specifically needs some connection time with each other. A lot of students really maintain a social buzz with their peers quite naturally, now on their own, despite your efforts in the Gulf, and so it's important, obviously the monitor and connect with students, you know in person whenever possible, because interpersonal relationship is still really important to learning. But at the same time, I think it's you know, kids are sort of working around this whole inability to be together all the kinds you know, Mike, I think you bring up a good point. I think when I think of school, I think about what it was like for me in my head Being 41. We didn't have social media and things like that. So I guess kids are a little bit more flexible when it comes to online learning at least some because of Social media. What piece of advice would you give school districts around Wisconsin that air trying to implement maybe Ah, High bred format. Or maybe they're going to all virtual learning for short period this fall. What? Some advice you would give them while they're doing this? I think recognizing that people's technical skill even though they may feel confident with certain things. The technical skill is not all there even in our learners, so doing whatever they can to get students to be consistently proficient in their technology skills, trying to trying to level the playing field by having students with similar devices. A lot of times it's a real challenge for teachers. I also happen to be married to a teacher was working through this very issue right now in her district. No, that's hard when you have to believe that that offer a variety of devices. So then teachers have to create lesson plans for a variety of platforms. So whatever the district's khun do to standardized, the platform of students are using Like I said, check for that proficiency and make sure that everybody is clear on what the expectations are and really, you know, the partnership between home and school has become more important than ever. It's really a partnership where you know we're trusting the parents are gonna be able to help students they connected to their learning. Keep on top of their work and do what they need to do to be successful, and it's sort of on their own And so parents, really the role of parent is really an area that I think this should focus on two out of support. Parents, You know, as soon as you have never had parents are finding ways through. You know, small online communities to try to support kid do this online learning thing while they have to go to work and try to live there, there lives an adult as well. So again, just trying to work with students toe Develop, develop individual proficiency to then also teaching adults parents learning coaches, if you will have the skills
Fresh update on "wisconsin" discussed on WBZ Afternoon News
"Danvers as well and we have 86 in Boston. It's 12 35 in new CBS battleground tracker Paul looks at voter attitudes. Toward mail in voting. We get the details from CBS News deputy director for surveys Jennifer DO Pento President Trump continues to raise concerns about mail in voting, and Democrats raised concerns about the Postal Service. Pennsylvania voters by 3 to 1 and Wisconsin voters by for one think it should be easier rather than harder to vote by mail. What the president's voters maybe getting his message Republicans. I generally opposed to making it easier to vote by Mao and instead prefer keeping the system as it is again that CBS is deputy director for surveys Jennifer de Pento, Mass arrests in Lawrence involving nine people and the seizing of six illegal firearms. Police say this all happened just after 6 p.m. Friday at a public housing complex on Essex Street. Three of the people arrested, including a 16 year old are accused off carrying weapons..
Battleground Tracker: Biden leads in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania
"CBS News, Just releasing a new battleground tracker poll today, and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden is leading President Donald Trump in two states. The president won back in 2016. Jennifer Do. Pento is CBS news deputy director for surveys on Election Night 2016. It was Wisconsin and Pennsylvania that put Donald Trump over the top and into the White House. But our current pole now finds that Biden is leading Trump and both of these states each by six points. White and leads Trump among independents. And he's also cut into Mr Trump's margins with white non college voters who had been a key part of Trump's space. Although Trump still leads among this group,
Fresh update on "wisconsin" discussed on Newsradio 950 WWJ 24 Hour News
"And it will be rapidly distributed. He also differed payroll taxes for those earning less than $100,000 a year. And put a stop to some evictions and foreclosures. Lisa Mateo, This is CBS News Update. W W J NEWS time in Detroit's 12 32 Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, appearing today on this week, says Senate Democrats have taken steps to prevent Russian interference in the presidential election. It is absolutely true that Russia is trying to interfere from public information and public statements. And we are trying. We Democrats are trying to stop it in the defense bill. We want to put tough sanctions on Russia both before they do something, and even more so. Chris Van Holland has a bill bipartisan. I believe it's with Marco Rubio to stop it. Trump is resisting. Presidential election still a few months away, but an epic battle over voting is already underway. Republicans and Democrats have already been clashing over how to run an election during a pandemic. But President Trump's unfounded claims of ballot male and fraud have now caused both sides to lawyer up and it looks like we're headed into an explosive court viewed that could turn Election day into a week a month or even longer under the so called Safe harbor provision. Those states have until December 8th to resolve disputes over election results. That's the same deadline that led to the Florida recount being called off in the 2000 election, with George W. Bush beating incumbent BP Al Gore. Maria Garcia CBS NEWS CBS News, also releasing a new battleground tracker pole Sunday, and presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden leads President Trump in two states that the president one in 2016. Jennifer Do. Pento is CBS news deputy director for surveys on Election Night 2016. It was Wisconsin and Pennsylvania that put Donald Trump over the top and into the White House. But our current pole now finds that Biden is leading Trump in both of these states each by six points. White and leads Trump among independents. And he's also cut into Mr Trump's margins with white non college voters who had been a key part of term space. Although Trump still leads among this group, CBS News will have Maura on the survey coming up at the top of the hour, Michigan, adding hundreds of additional positive Corona virus cases to its count Saturday. Latest report shows 698 new cases along with three new deaths. Two of those deaths were discovered in a review of death records. There been 86,889 positive Corona virus cases since the start of the pandemic in Michigan colleges and universities getting ready to welcome back students but campuses You look a lot different and parents have many questions. Glenn Macintosh, senior vice president of student affairs and chief diversity officer at Oakland University, speaking live with this earlier this morning, saying, Every student will have to get tested for the disease at least a week prior to coming back on campus, and when they arrive, we'll be greeted with unique welcome back kits. We will have them move in, and they will receive Healthkit that will contain of the monitor and information about helping that created helping save residence hall environment..
'Wake up Call': Prominent Group Warns Biden Campaign That It's Falling Short on Outreach to Women of Color
"Want to back to something that you all at she the people did you had a series of virtual listening sessions and you're take away from those was that they were real. WAKEUP call. That's what you were quoted as saying, we're ringing alarm bells were saying we want to win. But if you listen to the women on the ground were not there yet can you talk to us about those sessions and your conversations with the Biden campaign about them she the People's network includes many women in the battleground states at the focus for us is an Arizona Texas Georgia Florida and the three Midwest states that trump won last time Michigan Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. And we gathered you know local and state elected officials and heads of organizations people who work on voter registration engagement, and we asked a series of open ended questions. How much do you see yourself in the campaign? Is the Biden campaign been in touch with you What are the issues that matter what would need to happen for you to want to amplify the message? What are your frustrations and what we heard? Is, that there was a lot of frustration on the on the ground amongst the women of color who are in the middle of the critical voter turnout we know in our big lesson from two thousand sixteen is that winning and twenty twenty is about turning out our voters and activating those who are most likely to vote democratic. That's women of color particularly black women and in the states that I mentioned with very few exceptions. Women of color about a quarter of the electorate in the majority of women and so It's incredibly crucial that the women of Color in these battleground states turn out at higher rates and how was the Biden teams response we had a meeting that that there was a lot of openness and listening I think there's some really smart women who the Biden campaign is brought on and I don't. Think it's any secret they're playing catch up. You know because it's not like Biden's a new candidate. You know it's just that right now for the general election in this strange year, the women who were on board now both Black Asian American. Latina who are an indigenous who are running speaking of folks on the ground there they're open they're listening the issue is that we we did not want. I didn't want to see these red flags and not talk about it because it is a People who are in the business of electoral politics, understand one of the biggest mistakes that the Hillary Clinton campaign, and when I say the campaign, it's a campaign it's the it was the priorities pack it was the major It was the party apparatus as a whole ecosystem. One of the biggest mistakes was not too deeply invest in black voters, which is black women early and often and look at it as turn out. There was way way too much focus on trying to convince Republicans are moderate white voters with the messaging and the Komo. You know all that in order to carry the election I. Still See evidence that we haven't completely learned the lesson from two thousand sixteen because WHO's going to be on the DNC stage. Well, John Casick, who is a Republican he's never trumper, but he's also the guy who in Ohio as governor got rid of the early voting Sundays with with. What black organizers would would call souls to the polls? So here's a guy on the DNC stage who was part of voter suppression in a key swing state. That affected the black community whom the Democrats depend on high turnout. We haven't gotten the the lesson fully but. Those of us who are on the ground understand what is going to need to happen, and we wanted to make sure to make those relationships and call out where we need to do some investment and fix things fast in order for us to have high turnout.
Fresh update on "wisconsin" discussed on 10 10 WINS 24 Hour News
"Of less than 1% about 10.9% while California's is around 6%. In Texas, it's in the double digits. Health officials in many states are now pleading with people to wear masks and limit gathering. In South Dakota. More than 250,000 bikers are expected to arrive at the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally for the largest event since the pandemic began. Correspondent Trevor Holt is there with been many major sections of the country. Thousands of people are getting sick, Wisconsin reported a new record high case total Saturday, Illinois hit 2000 cases, with the governor, saying many counties were at a warning level, and Texas has extended its disaster declaration. Event in the tiny town of starches usually brings hundreds of thousands of people in while officials say this year will be a scaled back version, people are still expected from all over the country, including hot spots like Florida, Texas and Arizona and health officials are bracing for spread their wings news time. 12 14 Kaiser is off the chain. Everything is in.
US election 2020: Trump says opponent Biden will 'hurt God'
"Today, our political unit put out our first NBC News Battleground Map of the twenty twenty election season get used to seeing these. There will be a lot of revisions. This one happens to have biden way ahead with three hundred, thirty, four, electoral votes remember were inside ninety days, but he leads in some big ticket states like Florida Pennsylvania Wisconsin and Michigan Ohio toss up right now is the New York Times put it today the president faces head winds in Ohio where today trump wasted no time going after his opponent. He's following the radical left agenda take away your guns, destroy your Second Amendment no religion. No anything hurt the Bible hurt God. He's against God. He's against guns he's against energy.
Biden Campaign Announces $280 Million Ad Buy Through Fall
"The Biden presidential campaign is reserving $280 million in digital and television ads through the fall. That's nearly twice the amount President Trump's campaign as reserved for the same period. Biden is reserving airtime in 15 states, which includes a number of traditional swing states, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Florida. The Biden campaign is also reserving time. In historically Republican states, including Arizona, Georgia and Texas. Many of the ads will focus on what it says is the president's lack of leadership on the Corona virus pandemic in Washington. John Decker Fox
Biden no longer traveling to Milwaukee to accept Democratic nomination
"Today on the Democratic Conventions at the start August 17th. Former Vice President Joe Biden no longer plans to travel to Milwaukee No formally accept his party's nomination for president of Democratic Party, like the Republicans now is scrapping plans to hold big gatherings in Milwaukee later this month. Former Vice President Joe Biden no longer plans to travel To the biggest city in Wisconsin to formally accept his party's nomination and will instead do so from his home state of Delaware. CBS News correspondent Ed O'Keefe has been covering the Biden campaign and says it's not just the former VP who will be changing his plans. Democrats scrapping plans for anyone to speak from the Wisconsin city and instead, all invited speakers will appear remotely from their home states. President
Biden no longer traveling to Milwaukee to accept Democratic nomination
"Vice President Joe Biden no longer plans to travel to Milwaukee No formally accept his party's nomination for president of Democratic Party, like the Republicans now is scrapping plans to hold big gatherings in Milwaukee later this month. Former Vice President Joe Biden no longer plans to travel To the biggest city in Wisconsin to formally accept his party's nomination and will instead do so from his home state of Delaware. CBS News correspondent Ed O'Keefe has been covering the Biden campaign and says it's not just the former VP who will be changing his plans. Democrats scrapping plans for anyone to speak from the Wisconsin city and instead, all invited speakers will appear remotely from their home states.
Big Ten football season set to begin on Labor Day weekend
"The Big 10 has just announced within the last few minutes. A revised schedule for football this upcoming season virus permitting, of course, 10 games for each team over 12 weeks, beginning the weekend of September 5th. That's Labor Day weekend. All teams they say we'll play six divisional and for crossover games with a couple of built in by weeks with flexibility of games have to be delayed. Two games of note for Minnesota fans. Michigan will play at Minnesota in week two. That is September 12th. Also, Minnesota will travel to Wisconsin on week four. That's September 26th. Big 10 also placing a minimum of two tests a week on players to get tested for the virus and those involved in the program again. The story just breaking within the last 10 minutes or so. We'll
Terrell Boyd charged in murder of 7-year-old Natalia Wallace at July 4 party on Chicago's West Side
"The night. 1/3 Van has been charged with murder in the July 4th death of seven year old Natalia Wallace, who was shot and killed while playing in her grandmother's front yard and the South Boston neighborhood. Chicago police, a 30 year old Terrell boy to Racine, Wisconsin. Was arrested in Racine and has been extradited to Chicago.
Epic tells thousands of employees to return to office, some balk at the risk
"Lives? Healthcare software company Epic systems is facing backlash of our plans to have thousands of employees who've been working from home for months go back to its Wisconsin headquarters. CBS's Anna Warner. In internal employee surveys obtained by CBS News, Hundreds of staffers voiced their objections. One writing, I'm quite frankly embarrassed to work at a company that values employees and public safety so little and from another, there will be people who die because of epics insistence on returning to
Kanye West seeking to get on the ballot in swing states Wisconsin, Ohio
"Kanye West Journey to becoming president of the United States is continuing. He is now presidential candidate and working feverishly, Teo get on important swing states like Wisconsin and Ohio. Hey, needs 2000 signatures by today at 5 p.m. to get on the Wisconsin ballot and 5000 signatures by Wednesday. I think he actually already has those because this report came out last night. So he will be on the Wisconsin and Ohio
Rockets Win Contrast of Styles Against Giannis Antetokounmpo, Bucks
"Victory over the bucks and the way they played down the stretch. We're about to go inside that game here momentarily. We're live from the rocket mortgage by Quicken Loan studios when you need certainty in the home buying process with a loan that fits her life rocket can 1 50 to go. Middleton doubled to Yonas into the paint your own steps hard stolen from Horn picked this pocket hearted pounds past Westbrook by middle delay a good nine in a row for the Rockets. 1 13 1 12 They regain the lead. Craig Ackerman on the Houston Rockets radio network. Russell Westbrook finished with 31 points, and it was a 90 run that brought the Rockets back when they were trailing by eight. With roughly three minutes to go. We're pleased to welcome Eric. Name to the show. He covers the bucks for the athletic in Wisconsin. Eric, What did you see in those final three minutes from Milwaukee? Yeah, I mean, it was They really had a rough go of it tonight. It's It's something that this team all year has is really blown out a lot of teams so they haven't been forced into a spot where they've had to play a lot of close games and Get it on Friday night against the Celtics. I played opposed close game there. They finished it out. Make a couple plays. Chris Middleton had a couple of shots made a couple of passes and their everyone closed out. But tonight It was really just kind of a comedy of areas from, you know, about three minutes left. They had been posted up Brook Lopez the entire night Chris Middleton tosses them. What looks like a pretty simple past. Brooke Lopez has it bounces. Off his hands go out of bounds in that. From that point, it was turnovers. Sloppy play late, getting into their offensive said like it was just kind of Sloppy basketball that we really haven't seen but from the boxes season and they ended up losing this one and just doing something totally uncharacteristic of what they've done thus far this season. Except that as
Wisconsin Republicans 'stand ready' to kill mask requirement
"In Wisconsin, A statewide order requiring masks to be worn in most indoor public spaces, takes effect today, but a truck warm bark of member station W. W. M reports. Some county sheriff say they won't enforce the order. Democratic governor Tony Evers signed the order this week, adding Wisconsin to about 30 other states that have a mask requirement aimed at reducing the spread of covert 19. But more than a dozen Republican County sheriffs say they won't enforce Evers is order with some complaining they don't have the resource is Democratic State Senator John Erpenbach says the sheriff's reaction is curious. The sheriff. Just come on, say we're not gonna do that. You know you don't see them doing that when it comes to the speed limit or when it comes to seat belt. The mask order also applies to outdoor bars and restaurants. But it includes several exceptions, including for eating and
Dan OConnell & James Ellison
"The city of Hudson is nestled in Far West Wisconsin estate famous obeying America's Dairyland, jude towards production of cheese, milk and ice cream. Separated from the state of Minnesota by the Saint Croix River Hudson is a small scenic city characterized by historic architecture, leafy parks and a wide offering outdoor attractions including walking tracks, water sports, rock climbing, and came in. But the year two, thousand, two, the city was harm to a close knit community of Iran six, thousand residents and was. As a safe place to live. vol On crime was well below the national average and murder hadn't been committed in the area for twenty four years. Dearly funeral climbing Hudson was a sprawling single story brick and whether board building owned by local resident Tomo Connell, his family had lived in the area FA generations. Tones. Uncle had earned an undertaking business in town prior to world, War Two and in nineteen ninety, five Tom decided to relaunch the family business. He opened the O'CONNELL Vanity Funeral Harm at five twenty eleventh straight a quiet trae laundry road close to downtown district. Two of his sons mark and. Eventually began working alongside him. Dan had initially trained as an emergency medical technician, but was happy to follow in his father's footsteps by switching to a career in mortuary. Science. In Nineteen Ninety, eight, he quit. He's Am Tae work to concentrate on the family business fulltime. Dan was a dedicated worker known for putting the needs of others ahead of design, and for always taking on to comfort the grieving relatives who attended the funeral home. Married with two young children, Dan had a reputation as a dedicated family man who was eager to give back to his community. He spent tireless hours working to better. He's time town by serving on several local committees and raising funds for various organizations. As a result, Dan was well known and liked by other. Hudson locals. Dea conal family funeral I'm also off the trainee positions to mortuary science students who were completing studies. One such trae was twenty two year old James Ellison who had quickly proved himself to be a valuable employees. James had grown up with these parents and two siblings in the rural town of Baron located about sixty eight miles north east of Hudson. Hey was friendly and well locked with a range of interests that included Gulf music and church activities. During hough school James had played in the school band and was active in not for profit youth organization for HEY Jr.. He. Later, enrolled to study mortuary science at the University of Minnesota where he took his career path very seriously. Friendly Polite and organized James took great pride in his trae work on one occasion remarking. I'm so proud that can help people in the worst time of their lives. James was Ju- TO GRADUATE FROM UNIVERSITY in May of two thousand and two, and it was anticipated that the O'CONNELL's would then offer him a fulltime job. In the early afternoon of day February five, two thousand to Saint Croix. County Medical Officer Mati Klin headed to the O'CONNELL family funeral home to conduct a retain visit. Gee to the requirements of his job, he was well acquainted with the O'CONNELL's, and on this occasion, he needed Dan to sign a death certificate. Mahdi arrived at one forty PM and immediately made his way to Dan's office, which was located towards the back of the building.
Big tech CEOs testify before Congress
"So, this hearing just going to say it, it was six hours of chaos. So. So many things like individual moments of pure chaos happened this hearing. But because every member of Congress was only given five minutes to ask the questions in and they moved on, no one could process the moments of cash. So here are some things that happened during this hearing. Jeff. bezos just started eating nuts on his call. That was just a thing that you started snacking for the first ninety minutes. It appears that basis had tech issues was operating in some kind of delay. So we didn't hear from him. They just answer any questions and they'd take a ten minute break Jeff. bezos could fix his computer. Amazing. Jim Jordan, who McKenna pointed out. On the show last week is always sort of chaos element. Try to talk over several members of Congress got yelled to put his mass back on floated. Just elaborate conspiracy theories. was when I say was chaos I. Don't know if there's any other way to describe it. I. Think that led a lot of people to think the hearing itself didn't accomplish its goals, but I think in many ways it did. But Kennedy you WanNa Kinda go through what the committee was trying to accomplish the themes they were pointed at in. How hearing played out, right. So okay. First off. Harkening back to last week I mentioned Jim. Jordan's mountain dew obsession. Definitely drink a handful those throughout the hearing I took notes in screen shots. So, I, called it. But regardless of their pores soda choices, there were a lot of lawmakers who definitely did their homework and I think that was really apparent throughout the entire hearing and when I look at. The picture that they tried to paint I think that became really clear in chairman Sicily's opening statements. So this is the guy who liked. And spearheaded the entire investigation from the beginning, and in those opening statements, he pointed out that yeah Apple Amazon Google facebook. There are different in a lot of ways and they exhibit anticompetitive behaviors potentially allegedly and a lot of different ways. But what they tried to pull together and was a story, and it's really hard to tell a story and five minute fragments. But what happened yesterday was Sicily. Ni, and a lot of the Democrats on the Committee wanted to point out that these companies they become bottlenecks for distribution whether that's information or just like APP stores marketplace's they control what gets distributed in how what was really key to the investigation was how? How they survey competitors. If you have so much control dominance over a market or a specific part of the tech industry, you have a lot of insight into your competitors and you can do a lot of dangerous things with that, and then lastly, after that dominance has gained, it's how they abuse it. Right? How they abuse it to make harder for small businesses in competitors and I think that's exactly what Cellini pointed out in the beginning and I think they did a poor job that storytelling throughout the process. But I think that's also our job. Right is to pull that evidence together and tell that story for them in a way that isn't like. Yes, no yelling at CEOS and like stopping them and I think by getting that in the evidentiary record doing all this questioning, I think they really did achieve their goal in the end. Yeah. I mean, I think the thing that happened sort of next to the hearing was that they released a bunch of documents from these one point, three, million documents of clutch. Over the past year, they released pretty targeted selection documents for every company showing some of this stuff, Casey, I wrote a story about. facebook. INSTAGRAM. My I'm going to frame this email or mark Zuckerberg. Literally one sentence, no period. The Andrew says I need to figure out. I'M GONNA buy instagram like I would love to just be in a place were sending that email like super casually like I got this thing to figure out and it's not like am I gonNa buy the model of the car. It's like instagram. I've been thinking of the text messages where so and so says that Mark Zuckerberg's didn't go destroy mode on instagram ever since they got that up. Case she this to Kevin and right that text was. Yes. Well, it was Kevin. System was talking to an investor and Kevin said to the investor. If we don't sell well, mark, go into destroy mode on us and the investor side probably. Of course, stray casual. So there's just a lot of documents and I think one of the functions of hearing was to get those documents into the official congressional record to make the CEO's account for them. That did not seem very successful to me. Is like a takeaway people should have from this hearing, right? No. I think a lot of people that go into these hearings are expecting like these big Gotcha moments and expecting like a lot of news and all this stuff. But it really, it wasn't oversight hearing. You know it wasn't. They didn't come. They came at this like in a report last earlier this week that they came out at as investigators. They didn't come at it to make a big show horse and pony show out of it, and yet I think the CEO's didn't. The record well enough to the extent that they could have. But there was definitely, I was expecting them to do a lot less evasion and I expected a lot less room probation with the documents, but it's just the process of a Congressional hearing. It's. It's hard to do that in a congressional hearing. But if you put those documents out there, you get the CEO's on the record a little bit who does excite this excites the FTC. J, and that's who can take this next and then it's also congress. You know they can't break up a tech company, but they can regulate going forward and it's those three key themes that I pointed out earlier that they could regulate. You know what I mean. They could legislate to forbid companies from surveying competitors and things like that, and that's where this goes. So the format of the hearing, every member and five minute chunks, it seemed very clear that the Democrats had some sort of coordinated evidentiary strategy, they would start and. And they would say, I, want to read this email to you. What did you mean by this email and then Jeff bezos would say something like I have. No idea is on works. I. Was real pattern that developed was basis really not doing or claiming he definitely knows claiming not really no way Wayne is under the thing they did or they would ask sooner Pichai about the very granular add deal google made by an ad product, and soon I, would say I'll get back to you, which is basically all responses. So the Democrats seemed like they were coordinated to move through their documents. The Republicans seem to be doing something else that also seem coordinated intentional, but what was their focus because that seemed clear split my takeaway from Jim Jordan who? We got into earlier, he he was interviewing. As if they were all Jack Dorsey. And as we talked about like, yeah, he invited Jack Dorsey to testify, but he doesn't sit on the antidote subcommittees. Anything. He says, it just doesn't matter. So it sounded to me as if he prepared questions Jack Dorsey and then it was like, oh, he's not coming I'll ask Tim Cook the same questions. Another completely crazy moment that happened just seen by and five minute chunks is that. Represented Sensenbrenner from Wisconsin Dear Sweet Wisconsin. Definitely. Asked Mark Zuckerberg why the Donald Junior was banned from twitter and mark. Zuckerberg was happening on twitter facebook and there was just like a moment of confused silence, and then he tried to move on and that just sort of floated by in the river of chaos to tell you how much chaos there was kneeling. When you started to tell that story, I thought you were going to tell the story about when Jim Jordan asked him cook if the famous one, thousand, nine, hundred, four, Apple Super Bowl, AD was actually about twenty twenty cancel culture, which is another thing that really happened. I think that's out of context. He didn't ask him. He said clearly, this is. That's definitely what Steve Jobs was thinking IBM is canceled culture and Apple's going to break it with hammer and Jeff. Bezos said that social media is a nuance destruction machine and all this crazy stuff from that. It was a wild will that that particular question when Jim Jordan asked, do you support the cancel culture mov, you could see the CEOS like. 'cause they went in order. He asks them all in order. So First Tim Cook just like basically muttered nothing. Here's like I don't. I support speech whatever. The iphone a keyboard like that was his answer. Sooner per child also, just like muttered, right? He's like Google has always supported free expression Zuckerberg like saw the opportunity and took it and the forces of liberalism I rising I, and then basis was like I cannot. I cannot do in like went for it, and that was just totally insane moment. But it also seems like the Republicans were intentional to try to create their own moments where they were yelling at CEOS about bias on platforms is obviously something cover a. At. You were paying a lot of attention that case you're paying a lot of attention to it. Do you think that was effective in creating because you know there's like a parallel conservative Universe Jim? Jordan was on Tucker. Carlson. Last night like was that effective or d think that the CEO's were able to sort of tamp down on interesting the Tucker Carlson pointed out that Google and other companies are all big donors to Jim Jordan another folks. So that is a weird side, but I think it was actually besides the moment where they mixed up twitter with facebook I. Think this was much more effective off. Off Topic yelling about technology than we usually see like are genuinely issues that like they are upset about that, they could point to largely around like cove nineteen misinformation and they could at least like pick those topics and stick to them rather than kind of asking vague questions about like, why is my phone listening to me? Well, they're definitely asked questions about why are my campaign emails getting filtered by G mail? Yes. I should. I should mention that they have really and they have all of these cases where they ask about extremely specific one off incidents that anyone who has used social media knows happens constantly. And, then turn them into a sinister pattern. But I think they managed to come off as sounding more like they understood what they were talking about the unusual. I think that was a real theme of the hearing, Casey. What did you think of this sort of bias side show that occurred? Well, I mean the the idea that conservative voices are being suppressed is foundational to the conservative movement and is behind the rise of conservative talk radio. It was behind the rise of Fox News. Now that social media exists, we have seen it in this new form, but it is sort of being presented as extra, sinister and worthy of. Some sort of legislative intervention what frustrates me about it is that much more than newspapers or or cable news like Mark Zuckerberg Dorsey. These people benefit hugely from having all possible voices on their platform. None of them is incentivized to drive conservatives off their platform. What they are incentivized to do is have rules that make the place safe and welcoming. So that people want to hang out there and so to the extent that there are issues on the platform, they've largely come because these platforms have rules. And you know you would think that a bunch of free marketeers would realize that the alternative to the system that they're so mad about would be creating a new system, but they don't seem at all interested in doing that. So I just sort of dismissed all of them as charlatans I actually thought it was interesting that the opposite track came up, which was the Stop Hey for profit campaign I kind of wasn't expecting that. The representative Raskin I believe asked facebook. Basically, why aren't you kicking more hate speech off. I forget who else asked like look is the point that you're so big. You don't care about advertiser boycotts I. Mean, you know it will here. Here is a fact that the number one complaint that facebook gets from its users, the thing that users. About. FACEBOOK is that it removes too much content and so if you're running the place, you do have to take these complaints seriously in a way. Right? It might not be you know that you shadow band conservative whatever that even means on social network in twenty twenty. But the fact that you're removing content is really upsetting people. So you can't dismiss that idea entirely, but I still don't feel like we're having that intellectually honest conversation about it. So this was definitely I feel like you can connect the you control distribution. We're GONNA show the abuses of power narrative. We got other. Democrats. With the you control distribution. You're banning conservatives right like I. Think what's Sensenbrenner Again, cups and conservatives are consumers to is that people don't realize that like fifty percent of the population in many ways. But facebook has like famous conservatives working its highest levels Kevin. We last week, we're talking about Kevin Roose keeps sharing the list. List of the most engaged content from crowd tangle. It's all conservative content, and that's so problematic for facebook that they're. They're pushing back with other metrics and graphs of their own, making the facts just aren't there, but it doesn't seem to be convincing. Brett Kevin is being asked to recuse himself from facebook case because he's like best friends with facebook I, AP I wrote a column almost two years ago. Now, arguing that conservatives were trying to redefine. Any conservative identified person having any unwanted outcome on a social network, right? So bias is your name was higher than mine in search results. Bias is used suggested that I follow a Democrat and not a Republican right, and if you take action on your policies that apply to everyone against me a conservative that is biased against conservatives, right. So and by the way I have to say this has been hugely successful because we've talked about it. How many minutes now and the longer that these discussions. Discussions. Go on. They just sort of refi people's minds. The idea that there really is a vast conspiracy to silence conservative speech because he's networks are so big millions of conservatives are having experiences like this every day, and now there is an ideology that is basically a religion for them to attach to, which is although Silicon Valley liberals are out to get. Reason I wanted to talk about the conservative side show, which in many ways was a circus is it feels like the notion that we should be punitive to the companies or mad at the company's. Bipartisan, right we were. We were not looking at a hearing where the Democrats were on the attack. Republicans are saying we love. Apple. We're looking at hearing where they were. Everyone was mad. There are a couple of exceptions to that. There were a couple of I think sensenbrenner and a few other folks were like look we want to be clear. Big is not bad. We just WANNA make sure we're not punishing you for your success, but you were like almost entirely, right? Yeah. I. Mean I. think that's it's important to. To capture that mood like Jeff Bezos Mark Zuckerberg, Tim, Cook soon. Darpa, try they usually get to finish whatever sentence they start saying. Right. They're not used to being interrupted. Their thoughts are usually like you know they get to live in complete sentences and people take them seriously here in five in intervals, they were interrupted almost every time they started speaking to be told that they were wrong that they were filibuster at one point Sicily said stop thinking is for the questions. We can just assume they're all good questions. They. Were getting yelled at and they're going yell that about a variety of things that were pretty specific. So you kind of in your kind of structure here. The first one was controlling distribution. What did you hear as a hearing went on the indicated to that? The committee had a case here? I think the apple's APP store is one thing you know charging thirty percent cuts on certain things is just controlling an APP store. It's the same thing with Amazon's marketplace. They can inherently in control what gets placed and what gets sold and you know if they want to play with search results on Amazon, they can do that, and then on facebook and Google, it's not just like products and software that's information. And it could be information when it's like Google. Google. Stealing yelps, texture views right in putting those in its little info boxes in search queries in facebook if facebook is just like an. Mation, distribution platform and. It can decide Algorithm Mickley. Knowingly. What people get to see this bution was very keen to the committee's hearing yesterday and they pointed out different aspects in which you know each company exhibited that kind of behavior. So the one that will you bring up apple? We wrote about this, say there's much emails. Apples document production is just one hundred and thirty pages of unrelated emails and whatever order see it's like scan through it. So there's a lot of little stories in there. There's one about right to repair and apple realizing it needed to repair. By watching PR people operate by reading their emails journalists. Very entertaining. They're like we had a break like here's our strategy. Here's we're GONNA. That's all in there. You can look at it, but there's a lot about the APP store itself and how they're going to use the mechanics of the APP store to control their platform, and it started at the beginning like the first emails in this production from twenty, ten there. From Phil, Schiller Steve Jobs saying, are we GONNA? Let Amazon Sell Books in the kindle store. Store, it felt like I saw an Amazon ad was hard to watch this hard to watch this ad where a person's reading a book on an iphone in the kindle APP in the pick up an android phone keep reading. He's like literally like it was hard to watch like Schiller's at home like pain what a customer is having an experience that good it really just. Heart and so he's like it was hard to watch. You fours Steve Jobs. They're like we gotta shut it down jobs is the bookstore will be the only bookstore on the APP. Store. That's the way it's going to be everyone's gotta used to it. We know that restricting payments will hurt other things, but that's what we're doing and they started there in two thousand ten and they pulled it out, and then that ladders up into everything that we've seen with, hey, ladders up into the analysis group showing up to. Apple, can pay them to say that there's independent study has revealed. Everybody has a thirty percent cut. It has landed up into Tim Cook, forwarding. He gets a letters from developers that are in this direction. It's like apples breaking my heart and he just like Ford's it. Tim, Cook forwards that email to filter credit eighty, just as thoughts like amazing like they are constantly thinking about the APP store as a mechanism of control for the platform in the leverage and other deals. So the other one was apple is this Amazon one which I have very mixed feelings on saying that this is bad or legal I'm curious for all of your thoughts famously. Did, not have the prime video APP on the Apple TV and all these other places apple, Amazon came to a deal. There's an entire presentation in this production like the slide deck of how the deal is going to work. Apple got to be the preferred seller of its own product. So third parties cancel. Apple. Products, Amazon pages, they got. They have a custom by flow. They've custom product pages, all the stuff in return. Amazon got a lower commission on the APP store and gets to Selatan products which no. No like you can rent a movie from the Amazon APP on the Apple TV, no one else gets to it in one world. This is just pure platform collision, right? Apple cut VIP deal for big companies because it wanted something and you could say this is legal in another world. It's like this is how deals work apple something valuable. Amazon s something valuable and they came to a conclusion wherever made more money and quite frankly the consumer experience platform has got better. How do you read that? Casey? That is good and fair analysis of it. I. Think I did read slightly more scandalous. Tones into it in part because apple would never acknowledge that some developers are more important to it than others even though if you assume that that's true, I think maybe one of the things that's frustrating about it is there is no transparency accountability around which developers get sweetheart deals is that once you hit a certain threshold of revenue will cut your price. Why couldn't they extend that deal to everyone right? Or is it just if we withhold something that seems particularly valuable, we can eventually drag you to the table. Table, which is sort of what seems like happened here. I think in all cases, what I'm always looking for is the accountability, right like and some sense of of equitable treatment of developers and I understand the guys are always going to get the best treatment, but it can that be publicly visible. Can it be acknowledged and there'd be routes for others to achieve that same level of success and treatment, and that I'll just seems missing here. Did you buy Tim Co? He said it twice. It was obviously A. Glimmer, of sympathy for all four CEOS. There is a lot of reporting that they had spent months preparing for this hearing like being grilled there, they'd hire outside law firms. They. Practiced they all clearly had soundbites memorized in none of them. Got To say him because it kept getting interrupted. Tim Cook had this one where he is like if we're the gatekeepers, the gates are open wider than ever. We've gone from five hundred. APPS to one point seven, he said like. A whole speech. and. The thing is there's fierce competition for developers. They don't like our store can do for android the windows. For xbox and PS. Four. Which I was like the idea that adobe is going to be like we don't want to be on the IPAD. Here's PS. Four Photoshop is insanity to me. I'm going to build a spreadsheet. APP. For the five. That's how frustrated with Tim Cook. To that ring. True to you I. Mean, there's no, it does not ring true. There is a, there is a duopoly. In the United States when it comes to smartphones, iphones have majority share in the United States and you can't say, well, you know there's there's a rogue fork of android in Malaysia that you could go develop for if you really wanted to and have that come across as a credible argument to Americans. Right it is. Natural for any monopolist to spend most of its time, arguing that it is much smaller and much less consequential as as you think it is and they're essentially always asking you to ignore what is in front of your face, which is that they are the giant. They are in control. What they say goes, and it doesn't matter which small businesses get hurt along the. The. Way I would point out that the contact and we're gonNA talk about earnings eventually. But the context for that is apple had its biggest third quarter ever this month, their revenues went up eleven percent year over year, they're making obviously making billions of dollars in their services revenue, which is a lot of the narrative around the APP stores increasing that services line. Also went up. I think it was thirteen billion. So you're right. They're very big in their earnings the day after the hearing did nothing. To reduce that impression. I want to switch to Amazon a little bit McKenna. You really focused Amazon was basis first time up there. They came at him a lot about marketplace. How did you think that went I think it went pretty good. I. Think. John Paul specifically was just like killer her questions with breakout star. Yeah. She was just like killer and she's the representative for. SEATTLE. So this is where Amazon is right. So she just like killed it and. And I think there were a couple of instances in the documents and in questioning yesterday that really pulled important things out there was like testimony from one bookseller who was like, yeah. We just can't sell a category of books and we don't know why Amazon doesn't let us do that just like testimony like that or even when it comes to like acquisitions, the ring acquisition especially, I wrote about that today through the documents and how. They said, this is for market position. This is a for technology, your talent or anything. We just bought this and that's something that base said again, yesterday he was just very clear. It's like, yeah, we do buy things market position, which is like so insane just here like the richest person in the world. But like, yeah, we're buying market position. It's just what happens. That's another one I have mixed feelings right, and by the way, people should read McKenna story because those documents have just a very funny breakdown like the pros and cons of buying. Buying ring in many of the cons like what if this turns into nest, which if you're just the verge cast listeners like it's just like the Keyword Bingo, but it's fine to say, we're buying market position like this isn't the best product out there, but it's the category of video. doorbells is not huge, right? So to by the the market leader in video doorbells is maybe the most rational use of the money. What is the problem that you think the committee was trying to show an address sense of we're just going to market position. Pointing out, they can just do whatever they want and how casual it is, and there really isn't. It's really funny to read an email like that, and we could buy it or we could just copy it or are. We could just watch. You know that was one of the emails that base from someone. Those are just three options you know and it's like just pick and choose you know. Pointed out like a lot. Just that email itself really pointed out just how easy it is for them. They used a lot of that time history to talk about copycat behaviors and to talk about just like you know buying up competitors and it just seeing that all in one little e mail having to do with the ring was like really i. think it was really kind of I opening and especially like useful for the committee. So Amazon got hit a lot for the data collection side of it of copying competitors. bezos did not seem to have great answers there. Right. So that's the. The thing they got in trouble with this. There is that Wall Street. Journal article from like April where employees were literally like, yeah. We dip into data and we use that to guide our own private label products and everybody was like Whoa and Amazon basins. Yesterday said, well, we do have a policy that bans that but giant pointed out yesterday. It's like, okay. So what's your enforcement look like you can have the policy, but like if you don't enforce it, then it's like meaningless. And then yesterday I. Think Paul was like, can you give me a yes or no answer? Do you dip into data and he's like I can't I can't give you. Yes or no, and we're just like we're looking into it. The story had anonymous sources. So that isn't very helpful to us. You know what I mean. So that was one of the main things and that Wall Street Journal article and I think it's the same kind of examples in the committee's documents. They point out specific examples like car trunk, organizers of all things. It's like weird little products like Amazon's like this is a little hot. Maybe we should do that. So I, I think. I, think they made a good case yesterday. Yesterday on that. Yeah. I mean bezos brought up that Wall Street Journal, Article himself twice, and he was like, well, your policy against it. But I can't guarantee never happened. Then there is a strange just didn't come across clear I. Think I know what the committee was trying to get at their like US aggregate seller data when there's only three sellers and then only to sellers? Yes, I. Think what they're getting at is when you're down to the aggregate data of two companies, you heard effectively looking at individual data. What is the problem? They're like the I get what you're doing. You're just reducing the denominator to get to one, but like it, why is that particular problem? Right? Well, none of these. Dipping into individual seller data and looking at aggregate data. That's not a legal. There is no law. This is all voluntary of Amazon. So they have a voluntary policy where like we can't do individual seller data, but they say nothing against aggregate and aggregate what you're getting at eight. Here you is. Does the same thing if it's just like some goofy little product they. They bring up pop stock. It's all the time before pop tops in a moment. Right? There's only like one pop. So company like you know pop soggy, it was kind of an innovative product. It's like well, if there's only two of them and use the aggregate data, you you you have everything you need to know you know about that product line looking aggregate. If that's what you decide to qualify as do you as you're looking through the other Amazon documents and other stuff. So anything jump out at you is something the committee was trying to prove or get at. The questioning seemed very focused on. Like are you using the state at a copy products? Are you buying things? You shouldn't buy. There's one question which I did not understand why came up about DMC. Take downs on twitch and Jeff as just had this look of panic in his eyes. He's like I don't know man I bought Wedge because my kids want to. Do something like that was like the side show stuff, but the real focus here, it just seemed like it was definitely in the marketplace, right? Amazon, everyone came at Amazon for the marketplace. That's what everybody knows him as like they have all these little sides. They got rain. They got Alexa Alexa was one thing too. That was kind of interesting. It's like. Are you buying things like ring to put Alexa into and dislike expand your like Titan Ism as like an Internet Internet connected home. Thing and make that more closed off and walled gardening. That was one thing. But no, it was just focusing on how much power they have to kind of change. What happens in the marketplace to kind of decide what companies in what products are able to come up on the first page of results. You know that's also something that they dug into Google and in something that one of those like themes that kind of ties everything together. We should say they all spend a lot of time talking about counterfeit goods, and why is it Amazon removed? Fake stuff from the platform and how much is it profiting off of you know selling pick rolexes? Is it surprising? The whole foods didn't show up at all they're. Like that is a really massive thing. Amazon owns that. Is it moving into a huge new product category? I think whole foods is not an online marketplace, which was the title of the hearing, not that that restricted anybody from doing anything except that, one of the things Amazon says is we have lots of competition from offline marketplaces, right? Brought up kroger a lot I mean, this is the case he's point. They all made. It seem like they were beset at any moment. They could be crushed by the likes of stop and Shop Right? Like I think the point though was really on the. Digital. Experience Consumers have and like I, don't know Ho-. Foods fits. Into that narrative, especially, because it is itself not dominant like they bought it because you needed to grow in their. Good at that at my question for you on the Amazon stuff was when you think about, we talk about two thirty a lot right like you and I in particular spent a lot time to thirty, which regulates with the platform can do with content. There's not really an equivalent of two thirty for goods on store. Right like there's some case is out there saying like you're liable for what what happens on your online store page, but Amazon doesn't have that like second order of like Messi nece around it that twitter and facebook to with two thirty, I. Mean, it gets invoked a lot for marketplace's, but it's way messier. Well, I just wanted to like this question at counterfeits question about ranking the store like they are even more free than any twitter is to to sort tweets algorithm. Algorithm clear to modern like it just their store. Do you think that they're like that Algorithm transparency? Your wire things ranked. Did you catch a sense that that's where the regulation is GonNa go. So much of the conversation around Amazon really felt like it was individuals sellers being wronged for reasons of Amazon being unresponsive or stealing. It's data. So I don't know it didn't. It didn't seem like a really big focus of the hearing, but it is a huge deal. Yeah. The, digital marketplace frame of this, which is where we have talked to. Cellini. That's where he's going right like facebook and Google very digital. They have like they don't do physical goods. Really. Apple is the APP store. It's all digital goods. Amazon is the one where it's. Front to a lot of physical things, and that is the only place where I can see this regulation needing to make some sort of like major meaningful distinction in I. Didn't see it in the hearing, but I was curious of you caught a glimmer of it. I'm not positive that they have to make a huge distinction there like depending on what they come up with because. So much of this is about their companies and whatever product they produced. The issue is more or less whether or not they're being surveilled and unfairly by targeted and crushed by that data surveillance. All right. We have gone for forty minutes. We should take a quick break. I said I wasn't going to go by company and it happens. So we should come back and talk with facebook Ango. We'll be right back. This is advertiser content. When I say utopia what comes to mind. Birds Chirping lush natural beauty dialed up and vibrant technicolor. Is it within reach. Your world world. World. explained. You are an essential part of the perfect social body. Every Body Matt Place. Everybody happy now while the peacock original series, brave new world takes place in a scientific futuristic utopia. A concept is nothing new Sir Thomas more. I introduced the theory five hundred years ago. 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Yeah. But you said something to me yesterday was interesting, which is everyone else's problems are forward looking and it feels like facebook's problems are actually in the past break for people explain what you mean. Yeah. So when Congress is looking at any trust with respect to these four companies for three of them, it's It's sort of about the marketplaces that their operating right now with facebook, the question is much more about should we have allowed it to buy serum? Should we have allowed it to buy WHATSAPP and most of the antitrust conversation that was around facebook yesterday was all about that. What did Mark Zuckerberg know about Instagram, and when did he know it? We wrote a story based on some documents that the house released yesterday. In which facebook has clearly identified instagram as a competitor. In at least some ways and wants to go after it and knock it off the table, and so that's kind of where the focuses their facebook and Burke did get a lot of other questions yesterday, but it tended to be much more about content moderation and things that don't have a lot to do with antitrust. So there was weird section where they asked the face. Face Research APP in the novel, Vpn? Any kind of got lost well, explain what happened and I'm curious reactions. Yeah. So facebook has a bunch of nifty tech tools to figure out what's trending which APPs or the kids using, and so that can essentially have an early warning system if it needs to consider acquiring something or more likely in these days, go out clone it. and. So Zuckerberg was asked about the way that the company uses these systems and if they are anti competitive I, think you know traditional antitrust law probably would not say copying an APP feature is anti competitive, but could lobby written in the future about it shirt I. Think the one that caught me was I mean, this is what I'm. McKenna's points from earlier is like one of the themes here is, are you so dominant that you can collect data that's unfair and then use that to crush or killer competitors, and definitely bought the Inaba VPN to do it. That's true. Now, when I've asked executives at facebook about this, what they'll say is they don't get surprised anymore. When you have three point, one billion people using your apps around the world. You know what links they're sharing, you know what they're talking about. And so you're not going to need some kind of specialized tool to know that WHATSAPP is really taking off. Right. So they would argue that, yes, these tools were useful to them, but you know at their scale, they know what's popular now, which doesn't really seem like addresses, the problem is reached. The fact that we're so big that we're all knowing is maybe not the defense that they sometimes presented as so here's what I didn't get. I thought, Zuckerberg I want to the instagram. What's about who's issues, but on the facebook research front, the data front, they him about this APP facebook research, which you were giving to teens. They were deploying with an enterprise certificate that story broke apple revoke the certificate, and all of facebook's internal APPs went dark, and this is a scandal story after story about it, they went on for two days. So I can I, don't recall that APP? Just how he you know, he remembers the day that all facebook's internal APPS went down and people couldn't go to the cafeteria. I would agree I found that answer. Extremely, ed? Persuasive. that. Do you think that was like actually strategic for him to be like, I, don't know and then come back later and correct the record I do remember when that happened I. Mean. I really don't know I mean also you know during a six hour hearing, it's also possible that you just you get flustered or you miss here something or or something because. Yeah. As as you say, I'm sure he remembers the day that apple turned off their internal APPS I mean. Honestly. Seems like an opportunity to talk about apple's market power, and the fact that you know a day of work canceled at facebook because apple got mad. But I think most of the CEO's didn't go into yesterday a wanted to pick fights with each other. It was kind of sad that they didn't. I was Kinda hoping that Tim Cook take a shot at soccer burger. Point that the other two APP platforms I was expecting it. It was there. It was. There was all there. So cellini ended and he ended the whole meeting with closing statement. He said, some of these companies didn't get broken out. They all need to get regulated in the off too much power that some of them I. don't these breaking up apple. What sort of break. Right like. The division get sent into the corner thing about what it's done. Right. Does should spin out the finder team I've always wanted to. A clean is always that they want to. They want the APP store to be separate from the IPHONE. Basically, that's the thing I always hear. Can't break I. Think you can write some strong regulations but not playing you're on store, right. But like Elizabeth Warren's point was it's cleaner if it's two companies, but it's still a gigantic remedy that I don't think there's a lot of like like consumer or public opinion is going to walk into an Apple Cup I think you'll radio at marketplace. It seems very clear that we says some of them she broken up he is talking about facebook. I have a twenty percent conference level. He might be talking with Google and Youtube as well. But if he's going to say some of the need to get broken up like it's facebook, did you hear anything yesterday that supported that conclusion or Saudi stocks I? MEAN HE I don't remember which Republican it was, but he was like the Obama FTC looked at this and they said it was minding love. Obama. Right. Like. Why would we go back in time to relook at I? Mean, there is a belief and I mean. Somebody who thinks there could be a lot of benefit in instagram and WHATSAPP being different companies from facebook. And the reason you ask. So many questions about that acquisition as you're making the case that it never should have been approved in the first place, and so now you need to remedy it. So that was actually like the entire thrust of the argument against facebook yesterday. I think, you could probably make just as good a case that Amazon after spin out aws, but lawmakers chose not to make that case. Yeah. I think that also gets into. Politics of the acquisition of the time. To his credit is like nobody knew instagram would actually be a success like we made it a success. It didn't happen by itself. I, don't know if the lawmakers. By award, these guys said, but I don't know that he actually made that case very persuasively. and. Who knows I mean? That's like anything could have happened. Right? Cram could've stayed independent and rapidly grown and overtaken facebook like that's something that could have happened. It could have kind settled into a middle zone like snapchat or twitter seems more likely to me although I think probably would have been bigger than those two but. You're never going to know I mean it is true that facebook gave Mike and Kevin it instagram enormous resources. A lot of the reasons why Mike and Kevin sold was because running tiny startup that's blowing up is absolutely exhausting Mike. Krieger. was dragging his laptop all around San. Francisco. Because the servers were melting at all times of the day whenever Justin Bieber. Posted like the site stopped working and they really we need help. Finding a person who can quickly fix this? So we don't have to like that is the reason that they were entertaining these offers and wanted to sell it. So that is also thing that happened. Do you think that that same kind of argument or approach can apply to what's up? What's up basically did not come up yesterday and all the focus on Instagram, but that's the other one, right? Yeah, and we know weirdly a lot less about that acquisition I. Think it's because people in America just have so much less love for what's APP generally. That, it's never seemed as important. What happened to WHATSAPP as what happens to instagram even though WHATSAPP, is used, you know way more, it probably has way more engagement even than instagram does so I don't know why that didn't come up as often. We know there was a competitive bidding war for that as well. Goule. Wanted it as well. You know Mark Zuckerberg made them an offer, they can't refuse. Do you think everyday Google's we should've spent more money on what's whatsapp like this could have been solved. Should have, but Google has been placed under an ancient curse that prevents them from ever making the right decision about any social product. So it was doomed never to happen. It's fun looking through the documents and watching them casually say they should buy facebook dot com. Yeah, that. Point. That is how they talk like the window into these executives just casually being like we should just this thing or maybe not, or we should just copied ourselves and kill it before it gets any traction like it's repeated over and over again last facebook question. This one is like harder to parse because I. There's a chance, it's October is just joking around but. But. He's in many of these emails. He's like the thing about startups, as you can always buy them, which I think the committee thinks is a smoking gun, right? Like facebook's entire plan is to buy the competition to get the data from wherever they get it to say, oh, man, this apps popping, we just buy it and kill it before it competes with us. I. Think he actually said at one point. That's a joke. Yes, he did and I believe that you know it was two thousand, twelve, right? He was probably still in his mid twenties. At that point, the company was a lot smaller like people were joking around like there's more loose talk when companies are younger and I do think. It was it was part of that. I think the more interesting question becomes. Let's say facebook is telling the truth about everything. Let's say they thought it was going to be a successful acquisition, but they never knew it was gonna big as it became today and they invested in it and it got super big. Okay. Well, now, it's as big as it is. Should they be allowed to keep? Keep it or should they be forced to spend it out and if you're GONNA force them to spin it out. What's the argument that you'RE GONNA. Make about why one question that I have a lot is clearly the referral they're gonNa make, and it seems like if you don't have some other reason, we've heard hints that there's some other reason, the FTC scrutinize this that will eventually be revealed. But what you're saying is the antitrust standard at the time, the Consumer Hartman stand, which is still our standard. Says, you have to prove prices will go up both products for free. You're screwed. Right? There's nothing to review because you're not gonNA prove prove that free products are gonNA get more expensive. I think it's pretty unfair if you change the standard and you go back in time and say you missed that standard. So I think there has to be something else there. Well, what was the standard by which at and T. was broken up? Right? Like presumably at and T. didn't used to be that big, and then it just got really big and then they broke it up at least. That's the thumbnail understanding I have of that break-up. Well, yeah. But then reformed itself. Right. But because of lax antitrust regulation, right? Like it wasn't a naturally occurring phenomenon that all those APPS got back to the other or was that just sort of like inattention to capitalism It's like in the seventies and eighties. This is Tim moves book the cursive bigness in the seventies and eighties Robert Bork I can't talk about Robert on this podcast. Are we doing this right now. Robert was very influential judge Appellate Judge Federal Appellate? Judge. And basically moved the antitrust law to the consumer harm standard as part of a movement called and economics. A whole thing Robert. Bork. Mostly famous because he was not appointed. He was nominated Supreme Court by Reagan but they leaked video tape rental history, and then he didn't get nominated and that is where the expression getting bork's comes from. This is all true Netflix's still has to abide by videotape data privacy act is a whole. This is all true when facebook and Netflix had some partners, Nansen? Partnership. To. Automatically share your net flicks, watch history to facebook. They're like pending the change of this law which we are working on Robert Bork. He haunts us all. I'm sorry, I can't believe this much. Yeah I. think that's just like the law changed in the in the seventies and eighties, the standard change. The conversation right now is a very much about changing it back months and months ago, pre pandemic, we had an economist from I. Think it was Nyu Thomas Philippon came on the show, and he was like look you have this natural ab test going on in the world where the European Union when it formed was like, how do we get an economy like America's? So, we'll just take their competition policies pretty good, and at the same time we changed consumer harm standard. So everything you're seeing the EU is basically our old competition antitrust standard in. You can see how active they are in everything. Here's a new consumer welfare standard. Whether you believe, this is actually a functional Ab test given. The state of both governments is up for debate, but that was his point I thought. It was spare can say.
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Washington vs. Big Tech: Taking on the Trillion-Dollar Club
"Lawmakers came out swinging yesterday against Amazon Apple, Alphabet and facebook at an historic antitrust hearing held with CEOS, Jeff bezos, Tim Cook Sundar Pichai, and Mark Zuckerberg. Over remote Webcam, you swear or affirm under penalty of perjury that the testimony you out to give his show incorrect. The Best of your knowledge information and belief. So help you God. Yes. Let the record, show the witnesses answered informative. Thank you, and you may remain seated members of the House Judiciary Committee's antitrust subcommittee used charged language like too much power, Anti Competitive Acquisition and emperors as they aired their concerns about those four giant platforms. Here's the subcommittee chairman. Democrat, Peterson, Selene, a Rhode Island, our founders would not bow before king, nor should we bow before the emperor's of the online economy and ranking member? Wisconsin's Jensen. Brenner. Pointing out. Political concerns about size does big tech have a bias serves our consumers to? The need the protection of the antitrust laws. Both sides of the aisle had their opportunity to highlight this core conflict between Washington and Silicon Valley that antitrust enforcement can fix whatever is challenging or concerning about big tech. The CEO's for their part. Say We haven't squashed the competition. Here's Pichai Cook and Zuckerberg competition drives US team. needs to better products, Noah choices and more choices for every customers have a lot of choices in their products space fierce competition companies like Samsung, G. while way in Google has built successful businesses with different approaches. We okay with that. Our goal is the best, not the most I recognize that there are concerns about the size and power of tech companies. Now, we're services are about connection. Our business model is advertising and we face intense competition in both Amazon's ECOMMERCE dominance sparked a few intense moments after CEO Jeff bezos. The richest man in the world with a personal fortune of about one hundred and eighty billion dollars didn't get a question until nearly two hours into the hearing apparently due to a tech glitch. But then the pressure was on basis was asked about undercutting diapers, dot com before buying it Amazon's counterfeit problem whether Alexa favors Amazon's own products, many times. He didn't have the answer I. Don't remember that at all. I remember is that we we we'd match competitive. I believe we follow diapers cog, and this is eleven years ago I. Think we do is offer to get you information if you. Get it to your office for you read that article, but I didn't remember that piece of that I apologize for that I don't know the specifics of that situation, and I would be happy to give back to your office with more information about that. These questions for Basil's and Amazon strike at the heart of the antitrust that had been building for years as these four companies that we use every day every single day grow and grow larger with a combined market. Market cap of about five trillion dollars. If they were their own stock exchange, they'd be the fourth largest in the world. Here's vice chair. Joanna goose to facebook's mark. Zuckerberg strikes me over the course of the last several years. FACEBOOK has used. It's market power to either purchase or replicate the competition and facebook facebook. MESSENGER WHATSAPP instagram are the most now downloaded APPs of the last decade your company. Sir, owns them all and we have a word for that words monopoly. My Take Away I. Don't know I. Don't know if you guys watched I thought some of it was fascinating. A couple of questions, not not a lot of great questions thought. There's a lot of some good answers, some not good answers, but I didn't think that there was a major takeaway that all of a sudden. You know Washington was Gonna come down hard on these companies and there was evidence that was presented. That was gonna GonNa, create that challenge. I thought the most challenging piece of of news out there. But I think we've seen it before was instagram and facebook in some of the emails back and forth. Did you ever use this very similar facebook camera product to threaten instagram's founder Kevin side-stream? Congresswoman I'm I'm not sure what you mean by threatened I. Think it was public that we were building a camera up at the at the time in a chat. You told, MR, science that facebook was quote developing our own photos strategy. So how we engage now, we'll also determine how much were partners versus competitors down the line instagram's founders seem to think that was a threat he confided confided in an investor at the time that he feared you would go. That you would go into quote destroy mode if he didn't sell instagram to you, one of respectfully disagree with the characterization. Really dug into the emails and didn't take them out of context I. Thought, you'd have a hard case to make. Yeah, I, mean. I thought on on the point with facebook is easy Riley points to the quite a few different lawmakers went off the Mark Zuckerberg on on the topic of their competition practices whether he considered some of those companies they've taken over I, walk up and Instagram as competitors at that point which knowledge that they had been, which kind of course, a bit of a stir. Has Been Engaged in purchasing competition I, in some cases, replicating competition in some cases eliminating your competition, would that be a fair statement? The space of people connecting with other people is a very large space and I would agree that there were different approaches we took to to addressing different parts of of that space, but it's all in service of building the best services. Likewise said that they had tried to copy some of the particular tools that other rivals whether they bought them or not use including. Of course, the stories feature snap, which I thought was quite interesting, but Geo Point, Andrew as to whether we we conclude from yesterday that significant action from no makers is imminent. Even if we go to a sweep at the next election, the market didn't take that conclusion on those times. Talks hit session highs during the hearing, but the interesting dichotomy which goes to the question. Of, how much we managed to watch I watched as much as I could apart from when fed chair Jay Powell speaking and I watch that instead, and you had one side of Washington of goes up pressuring these tech stocks. The other part saying that we're hit as long as it takes, we're not even thinking about thinking about thinking about raising rates and not allowed old. Not just the textbooks. And close at a pretty strong session yesterday can I? Can I just ask whoever buys a company? That's not a competitor I mean. News the idea that you would buy a competitor when. Merger has ever taken place among a company that does an entirely different area that you wouldn't consider a competitor. Watching. This yesterday was complete theater just like it often is with the these congressional hearings. At. The beginning, they were asking questions and not even letting them answer. So this was really about giving Congress people their time to have their six minutes to talk and to go through with some of these things, I didn't feel like learned a lot under yesterday. I couldn't take my eyes off it when I was watching it, but it was theater. Classic, you'll take the time comments from lawmakers when they get me on. So they wanted to I, totally agree on that, but I would say compared to say twenty eighteen when Mark Zuckerberg had to go to face, they'll make on his own. Better prepared than they had even if it was then making arguments rather than letting. The answer, their questions, they made better arguments. They brought up more pertinent facts whether that was is Amazon. Abusing small sellers on this. Platform. In two, thousand, thirteen, it was reported that you instructed Amazon employees to approach discussions with certain business partners, and I quote the way a Cheetah would pursue a sickly gazelle is the gazelle projects still in place and as Amazon pursue similar predatory campaigns in other parts of its business. I cannot. comment on that because I don't remember it. Is. Apple misusing the margins, it takes on on the APP store. Apple from increasing its commission to fifty percents we serve. We have never increase commissions in the store since the first day at operated in two thousand eight. From doing so is it? No, Sir I disagree strongly with that, there is a competition for developers just like there's a competition for customers. So I think they were getting it the crux of some of the issues. But as we I think all concluding I, it didn't spell imminent danger for the tech stocks just because of that air. Just one note though on the competitor. Comment there or issue that you were just discussing Becky, which is an interesting one. We often talk on the show about how being a monopoly unto. itself is not illegal, and you just commented that you can't buy from everybody wants to buy competitor. Interestingly, if you're deemed a monopoly which is not illegal, but you have that market power, it actually is illegal to buy a competitor, and so if you really go back and read mark, Brooks emails even. Even about the instagram transaction, he actually even doubled back on one of his emails because I. Think he realized that given the power that having that industry depending on how you define it that he had to rewrite the email later to suggest no, I'm not trying to do this. He was by the way thinking about this, even to two, thousand, ten, you can. Almost, if you look through emails, you can sort of see how tracking in his mind. The Way He's thinking about it. So yes, everybody always wants to buy. But Inter stands at the size and scale that these companies are. Now, it's very hard to do that actually. Hit His. Answer. was that the FTC had all the same information that they had at that point in the FTC Peruta
"wisconsin" Discussed on Amicus with Dahlia Lithwick
"I WanNa ask you one last question. That is sort of formed the backbone of so much of the discussions we've had in our election coverage in the last few months and that is just if the net effect of this isn't simply as you've said widespread vote suppression but also massive failure of confidence. The what is the point in voting? The whole system sucks now. We can add to the trash heap. It looks like the Federal Judiciary is completely biased and that both state Supreme Court and the US Supreme Court put a finger on the thumb. Put their thumb on the scale for their own team. I guess I want to ask the sort of Zeitgeist question which is how damaging is it to those norms. You talked about at the beginning when you have voters who witnessed just a spectacular failure of the franchise and just walk away from Wisconsin and everything else just saying. There's just no point the whole thing is cooked in fixed and the courts are in on it too. I think that if that takes hold that will be devastating. I feel like that that narrative has taken hold with redistricting candidly And I think that that's going to have a tremendous effect when it comes to districting After the the twenty The twenty twenty senses Frankly I feel like there's some of that about the census too I mean. The fact is the trump administration couldn't cancel the census. But it was a but but it could defunding away that you have a highly distorted result of WHO's counting. Who's not and in some sense? Wisconsin represents the same thing but in an election which is literally they couldn't cancel the election They wouldn't let it be moved but they could make it so. The voting rules were so hard for people to execute their vote under that. It's a highly distorted rea- result that you get from who voted and who didn't and in both cases you have the US Supreme Court sort of throwing. Its hands up and saying well. I guess there's really nothing for us to do here. In the case of redistricting they literally threw up their hands and said we have no role here in this case. They claimed that there was little that they could do both the but the very little they did. was counterproductive And I said this earlier and I want to repeat it. I I I wish that someone at the Supreme Court would have looked at the caption of this case and said do we really want in an election year in which we know passions are gonNA run high. And there's going to be a lot of quasi-judicial activity around voting. Do we really WANNA case entitled Republican National Committee Versus Democratic National Committee to be the case in which the conservative justices are lined up supporting the Republican National Committee effort to restrict voting rights. And for all that justice that she the chief justice has spoken about. How important it is that the judiciary not be viewed through that Lens. I really think this was just an unforced error in that in that regard in terms of public confidence. I need you to throw us a bone and tell us something happy. Talk about New Hampshire. Yeah I'll tell you a few things that are happy so in the last few weeks You know we. We settled the case with Georgia over signature matching signature matching as a part of absentee balloting. When they compare the signature on the envelope with the signature on on file with registration in many states that matching process is very opaque and does not give voters the opportunity to Have their their signature fairly judged or an opportunity to cure and we sued Georgia and Georgia settled with us. That was a positive The State of Florida settled a longstanding lawsuits that we had had with them over placing early votes centers on college campuses They had the Florida had banned Early vote centers on college campuses. So they were allowed to any public building on college campuses we sued and we won the legislature then came back and passed a new law saying that the couldn't be placed in any in any location that doesn't have a non permitted parking which was a which was a way of again getting back to college campuses and the Secretary of State of Florida settled that case with us. Centigrade issued a new directive saying that law does not prohibit putting a early voting sense on sites on college campuses and so That was a real positive and then just yesterday. Just the other day rather Just earlier this week we settled the case I'm not settled. We WanNA case in federal district in State Court in New Hampshire where the court struck down. Senate bill three which was the domicile law that was passed by Republicans in two thousand seventeen and effort to prevent a college students from voting in New Hampshire so these were all good developments on on the voting rights front and we continue to litigate. You know a number of cases around the country and our yeah having success in a number of them because for the most part at the at the if you if you look at these laws that are that are suppressive You know courts are still the best. Hope we have. Despite what happened in Wisconsin courts are still the best hope. We have to protect voting rights. So I have to have to make two points One is that where the political branches fail and we are seeing. The political branches failed to protect voting rights because Republicans don't want them to succeed. The federal courts have to step in its it is one of the core functions of the federal courts is to protect fundamental constitutional rights of individuals and voting rights are central among them. The second thing is just a caution to the to the audience for the future. If the if the Republican National Committee was willing to spend all of this effort and capital and money over a judicial election in Wisconsin. Just Ask Yourself. What will they be willing to do for November right? So if if if you ask yourself you know why would the RNC of gone to all of this effort for state judicial election? Just imagine what. When we'RE IN SEPTEMBER OCTOBER NOVEMBER. They will be willing to do to affect the presidential and congressional and Senate elections in November. And that's something to be concerned about. I have a few minutes left mark and I feel like what I really want you to speak to is something you scooped up yet a great piece in the Atlantic that said I I'm summarizing. Folks should just read it but the sad this goes beyond. Just you know no excuse. Absentee balloting and mail in ballots. And you list some other things that have to change and I'm struck by the fact that part of what's happening is the window is closing clearly for either federal changes or state changes to solve the cove problem. We saw In Wisconsin. But I think what you're saying this doesn't necessarily have to be a thing that Congress lashes onto the next Release Bill. This is something that states need to be pressed to do. Am I misreading you are you? Are you saying that in his foot race to get very limited amount of time to get this resolved in time for the two thousand election pushing for massive federal money to do? This may not be our best bet that this is something we should be doing. State-by-state as quick as we can so I think it's too I think it's two different pieces number. One Congress needs appropriate money to the states so that they can fund the elections. The fact is the postal service. Right now is set to run out of money in in June. It plays a vital role in elections and states right now taxed under the pressure of Kovic for as a as a health epidemic and that's taxing their budgets and remember most states have a balanced budget requirement in their state constitutions. So they need money in order to simply be able to do the blocking and tackling to hold elections. But but you're right the the We can't overlook the things that states cannon to do to make sure that not only is there access to vote by mail that there is safe and available access to in person voting. We saw seven and a half hour long lines before covert in Texas. We saw long lines in in In California before cove and we obviously saw debilitating long lines in Wisconsin During covert and are. St- election system is quite rickety and it is not set up to handle the kind of external pressures and shocks that. Come from high turnout or from Covadonga from other other crises so there are some simple things states can do that. Shouldn't be partisan but we'll see like you know making sure that we use that. We recruit a new generation of homework or so in two thousand eighteen More than two thirds of all poll workers over the age of sixty Twenty five percent were over the age of seventy one things. I propose in that. Atlantic piece for example is that colleges and universities give credit give course credit to students who are willing to be trained and work as election workers and that they received pay as well that states turn their civil servants not their political appointees but their civil servants into poll workers have them be trained. We expand curbside voting So that people can vote in their cars right. We set up the voting booth so to speak right out right on the right on the street corner or out on the curb right. The school you get checked in you get a ballot in your car. You voted I. I would note that the national review had an article online That that That endorse this. That I tweeted. I was happy to say that I thought that made sense so so there are things that we that states can do. Now that should be non ideological that don't help Democrats or Republicans. Just help everyone vote. Nobody wins when a city goes from having a hundred eighty some odd polling locations to five. I mean candidate may win or a party may win but but the system really fails and democratic election and and Republican local election officials need to ban together to take these kinds of steps to ensure that everyone wants to vote by mail can do so that ballot counted and not be rejected aronie asleep and people who prefer to vote in person and they're going to be people who prefer to vote in person. They need to be given the opportunity to do so without waiting in lines without jeopardizing their health. So what I'm hearing you say and I. This is my last question I really want to hear. You refine refined. What you just said. Is that folks who are out there who are crestfallen heartbroken about Wisconsin and who are feeling like the fixes in and this is certainly not something that can be remediated by November of two thousand twenty. You're saying yes and call call and make sure that the next bailout package has funds to give the states a chance at having fair elections and also make sure that your state is coming online to do the kinds of things that can be done that materially help and all that stuff is where we should be putting our energy right. Not Get drunk and give up. I'm not pessimistic about about holding free and fair elections in November. I I'm realistic. I'm realistic that. This is not going to be a bipartisan endeavor. I'm realistic that. The Republican National Committee announced a ten million dollar fund to Fight Voting Rights in court. I'm realistic about the fact that they went to the Supreme Court in Wisconsin and I'm realistic. Donald Trump is going to continue to demagogue on this issue in that many. Republican officials are GonNA follow his lead but I'm also realistic that there are many hard-working election officials at the state and local level. Who are Democrats and Republicans who want their elections to succeed? I hear occasionally from local Republican election officials who are upset by what they hear at the national level. Because they don't they they've committed their lives to make sure that election succeed in their communities. So it's going to be a combination of Congress providing the funds and people keeping the pressure on this issue and not letting it fade into the background making it a priority that that this is something that that we need to focus on and then finally I remain optimistic. Notwithstanding Wisconsin that the federal courts in the state courts remain the best chance to make sure that voting rights are protected. And so I and others will be bringing those cases in court And hopefully we will have more results like we recently had an in New Hampshire. Marc Elias is chair of the Perkins Coup Political Law Group. He represents the Democratic National Committee and represented the Democratic Party of Wisconsin in this week's Litigation he is also one of the foremost elections. Experts in this country has been working so hard to make this system work mark. You gave us a lot of your time. We are so grateful for what you do. Thank.
"wisconsin" Discussed on Amicus with Dahlia Lithwick
"What it meant in Wisconsin. It is a pleasure to welcome Marc Elias back to the podcast in no small measure. Because I think there are real lessons to be learned from last Tuesday and I WANNA make sure that we're learning the right one so mark without further ado welcome back. Thank you for having me. It's always a pleasure and I want to start if we could by defining the problem and by that I mean I've had so much mail from people worrying that Donald Trump is going to in the manner of Authoritarians everywhere cancel the twenty twenty election. But that's not actually the issue correct correct so I have a good news and bad news for for your audience The good news is Donald. Trump can't cancel the election. He can't move the election Federal Election Day is set As the Tuesday following the first Monday in November and we will have an election on that day The only way that that date could move would be a new act of Congress and obviously that's That's not going to happen so that's good news. The bad news is we're going to have an election on the Tuesday following the first Monday in November. And we're going to have that election whether as a country we are prepared for it or we're not and so whatever needs to focus on is how do we take the steps now to make sure that when we get to November. We don't have a circumstance like we had in Wisconsin But without any of the remedies that might otherwise be available to state in the primaries where they could for example move a primary in November. There's moving the election so we've got to got to spend the time now to get ready so that we don't have a problem In November so maybe mark I can put the same question through a slightly different frame and that is to say throughout the last couple of shows. We've been talking about. How in a weird way federalism and decentralisation generally of the United States government has been a reason we haven't seen a lot of massive power grabs violations of civil liberties. But the problem is that federalism states rates decentralisation particularly in the election context where you have a Affiliate highly politicized county state municipal systems. All working it means you're not going to have a big sort of Viktor. Orban style power. Grab but you're just going to have a whole bunch of chaos partisanship and self dealing. It's not exactly the civil liberties problem we're talking about. It's a different set of problems right. It is and you know the the system of democracy in this country works not only because there are rules and laws but because there are norms and expected behavior and what we've learned is that Donald Trump doesn't abide those norms. And that's that's played out in a whole host of areas where we've seen really really problematic Conduct on the on. The part of the president that among other things led to his impeachment But elections are no different right elections start with the assumption that everyone wants the same thing which is a free and fair election and everybody wants the same thing which is every eligible voter to be able to participate in have their vote counted and the problem we are facing is that The Republican Party under Donald Trump has simply deviated off that norm Try to imagine the Republican Party. Even of George W Bush a few years ago taking the position publicly that that it took a in the courts in Wisconsin. Which is that notwithstanding the fact that there was a pandemic notwithstanding the fact that there were massive po closures Notwithstanding the fact that voters couldn't get witnesses to witness absentee ballots that they were going to both insist that the election move forward And also move forward under terms that guaranteed that large swath of the population wouldn't be able to participate so so you know what worries me is. Yes the problems of federalism For sure but it's a particular kind problem which is that. The president is states is standing in the White House at the podium. Saying that voters shouldn't be able to participate under some circumstances and Republican elected officials all the way from from from Senate house down to governors secretaries of state are hearing that message. And that's the problem that that that even though it's a federal system it is still one that is that we're the signals coming from the top are really loud and clear and I guess. We'd be remiss if we didn't know that. Donald Trump was seating this argument even during the two thousand sixteen election. He was saying there's going to be massive vote fraud. There's going to be buses of illegal voters. He was prepared. I think to contest the results of the presidential election in two thousand sixteen just on this absolutely fallacious proposition that there is massive voter fraud and that Democrats steal election so this in some sense I mean. I think you're right that there's a norm that's collapsed but in another sense this far predated Kovin. Oh I totally agree I. I've been I've been talking about this for months now. The the only difference is that in light of Cova people are now much more Focused on this but I am already litigating. More than twenty voting cases in fourteen and those predated covert. Because you're right. This is a message that. Donald Trump and the Republican National Committee have been sending loud and clear for many months or years The only thing that's changed from two thousand sixteen to now is number one. He has decided that The the problem he was prepared to say was in place in twenty in two thousand sixteen was large numbers of undocumented. Immigrants Voting in person and now the focus of his species allegations is voting by mail The only other change is really is a really really significant one though. Which is that in. Two Thousand Sixteen wasn't clear how much the Republican Party was willing to sign on to that. So you know. If Donald Trump had had lost the election it was to be seen how much other Republicans were have signed onto the notion This is Donald Trump's Republican party And so when Donald Trump says we have problems with vote by mail. You know you start to see State. Local officials Echo that and so. It's a much more problematic circumstance than in two thousand sixteen mark. One of the reasons I wanted to talk to you is because I think Wisconsin is both its own pathological voting nightmare and also because I think as many elections experts have told us in the last couple of days. Wisconsin is every state it's emblematic of save the states that already have really effective vote by mail systems. This could happen anywhere and I wondered if we could pry those two things apart for a minute. Because in one sense Wisconsin is a long-standing Canary in the coal mine on Vote Suppression on voter. Id on Gerrymandering all the stuff that you work on. So let's do one cut at this in which you talk about the ways in which you know for instance the extreme Gerrymander from twenty eleven. That somehow has Wisconsin. Republicans holding two thirds of the seats in the state assembly. Although they win less than half the votes that's really Wisconsin specific as is some of the vote suppression stuff around voter. Id So tell us which parts of what we saw. This week are really specific to the crazy way. Wisconsin has been operating on voting. So look I think that. Wisconsin is both an outlier but also speaks to the problems in many many states. So yeah there's no question. That there is reinforcing Problems in democracy. Where you have were you start with a highly gerrymandered state legislature that then reinforces that Gerrymander by gerrymandering further than reinforces that by having voting rules. That make it even more difficult to overcome those gerrymanders right. So these are all kind of reinforcing in some sense Incumbent Party protections right you you I make the seats hard for for you to lose just based on partisan divide and then you make them even harder to lose based on who can vote. And then the other thing in Wisconsin. Of course that we saw that was underlying most of of the. I think the fervor on the Republican side was a state. Supreme Court seat was up. So then you pay particular attention to your State Supreme Court because it would be the one body at this point that could undo the gerrymandering or the vote suppression by interpreting the State Constitution to prohibit those things so it is very much a reinforcing circle that said. Wisconsin is not a completely unique circumstance. I mean you can look at North Carolina. You could look at Florida You can look at Texas And you know those legislatures certainly give the Wisconsin legislature or run for the money when it comes to passing Voter Suppression Laws. And you know. Litigation has improved the the Gerrymander in North Carolina but it is still an overwhelmingly Republican legislature. Florida had fair district amendments. That made the gerrymandering somewhat better. But you still have a system where the Republicans control both houses of legislature and the governor. And of course Texas Your remains a perennial problem both with respect to gender gerrymandering in voting rights. And I'm just making those states out I could. I could add to that other states As well but but all of these democracy principles are reinforcing. They are all aimed to have the same goal. Which is to put a thumb on the scale to to prevent Everyone's vote from counting equally. And one way you prevent everyone's vote from nucleus through Gerrymandering one way you prevent. Everyone's vote from accounting. Equally is by Putting restrictions on how votes are counted and one way the most extreme oil is simply by preventing people from being able to vote at all. And that's the that's the most extreme That we saw in Wisconsin. This but but they're all the same kind and it's worth. I think saying you flicked it but let's let's pick this a little bit more that one of the things that made this extraordinarily salient for the state. Republican Party was that there was a state Supreme Court seat very contested State Supreme Court seat. That was up for grabs in this primary that no lesser person than Donald Trump had weighed in on this election. And I guess I'm wondering how much I always feel as though the conversation about whether we should be electing State Supreme Court justices is sidelined in the conversation around voting rights. But is this one of those moments where you can say. Oh my God. Why do we have partisan races states for Supreme Court justices? That will someday do exactly what the State Supreme Court did here which is weighing in on an election. Yeah look I think that I think it's really problematic that that we have elected judges in this country to the extent we do And I think that the notion of having elected judiciaries at the state level worked for a long Long period of time in our country because those elections were not partisan is in other words they were not. They were relatively sleepy affairs. You know you'd have. Typically someone will get appointed to a position they would stand for some kind of retention election and there wouldn't really be large money involved or a partisan partisan forces but but again that's a norm that broke down like that that was never a law that was just a norm. And now you see what you see. And then when the Wisconsin Supreme Court is is then put in the position of deciding whether or not to postpone the election. Well of course it divides on the on the partisan or ideological lines because it has become such a focal point in the partisan divide over democracy in Wisconsin. So let's also break those two out because we had one action that was On Monday the governor Democratic Governor Tony Evers who had been begging the legislature to do something Without any results finally just took it upon himself to cancel election To bump it forward to June that was blocked as you just said by the Wisconsin Supreme Court. Then there was separate litigation. Which is the.
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"Even as the state voted for Barack Obama twice. Republican governor Scott Walker has won his reelection bid. They kept winning the time in four years. Republican Scott Walker has won a statewide election for governor. So by the time you get two thousand. Eighteen major shift happen overnight Wisconsin voters. You've elected a Democrat governor. When Walker loses his reelection bid to Tony vers? The race was almost too close to call but overnight Democrat Tony. Evers narrowly beat out. Gop incumbent Scott Walker denying him a third term Republicans in the state legislature have already learned a lesson from the years prior. That's more important to wield power than it is to be seen as a political compromiser. How does that play out? When all of a sudden there is a democratic governor in Iverson's who I assume wants to start making compromises with the Republican legislature the Republicans make clear. That is not what they're interested in. Republicans stung by their losses in. The midterms are moving forward with last ditch efforts to hang onto power. It's happening in at least two swing states Wisconsin and Michigan. The country is really watching this morning. As lawmakers here in Wisconsin work through the night to amend and vote on a number of bills. Are Josh Brighter as a special session? That happens before he takes office. Republicans do kind of classic power grab Wisconsin's Republican controlled. Legislature passed a series of bills late Wednesday night. That would limit the powers of incoming Democratic governor. Tony Day pass a number of bills that limit the power of the incoming Democratic governor and take away things that were available to his Republican predecessor bills would put lawmakers in charge of litigation which would effectively block incoming Democratic governor Tony Evers and the Democratic Attorney General elect from withdrawing the state from a lawsuit to overturn obamacare. So either is not. Have the power to make key appointments and another bill would require the governor to get permission from the legislature to ban. Guns Everts would not have the power to regulate guns in the same way that existed for his predecessor the also limited early voting which is a tool of access to the ballot box. That sometimes helped Democrats because more people in bigger areas can get to the polls. These are all really nakedly. Partisan Republicans didn't really even try to hide it. We don't want to usurp his power. That's never been our goal. Our goal is just to guarantee that we have an opportunity to sit at the table negotiate and do it fairly. It puts us on an equal playing field as the legislature. And I think that's a positive step for the state of Wisconsin so that is the political backdrop. You're saying for this current battle over how to hold a primary in the middle of a pandemic. Yeah it is that sense of affirmation the sense of rightness that Republicans enter into everts administration with and allows them to openly flout. The typical means a political pressure that the governor tries to put on them around the election. The legislature came in they gavel. Ben For about ten seconds gavel. `Bout and they moved on. They said that was not a serious proposal. Instead the time for the proposals like that whereas several weeks ago when the crisis began so what happens after that special session that minute long special session about the election. Well there's been a significant amount of legal legislation that has surrounded all of this political action so much going on here at the state capital today. Let's break down and give you a brief summary of what happened today. 'cause it's been a wild day politically. There was a court ruling. That basically affirmed that the Republicans probably have control over a win. The election should be held the ruling expanded access to absentee-voter Republicans appealed that straight to the US Supreme Court and Monday started with Governor Eve irs issuing executive order pushing back the spring election from tomorrow to June ninth morning governor. Tony Iverson issued an executive order to postpone tomorrow's election due to Cova one thousand nine concerns. The bottom line is that I have an obligation to keep people safe. The governor makes his most drastic step unilaterally postponing Tuesday's election until June Claiming he asked the emergency powers to do so. This is a front the Republicans Republican legislators mounted a legal challenge immediately and they immediately initiate emergency legislation. Going straight to the Wisconsin Supreme Court saying the governor does not have the right to do this and just about an hour ago. The State Supreme Court issued its ruling saying that indeed. The election will happen tomorrow. The court agree with them ruling just hours later that the governor did not have the power to postpone the Tuesday primary meaning. The election will go on in person today. You know said I'm struck by the fact that earlier on you told us the Democrats Republicans in the state they had basically been on the same page about this primary until the virus gets worse and the governor advocates for a different kind of voting system through absentee ballots and then it all breaks down and Republicans are attempting at every turn to block him now in court. And how do you explain that I mean how do Republicans in the state legislature explained Republican County chairs and folks in the state legislature? Say a couple of things. The first is at their position has changed. The doctor. Governor didn't have the power then and they don't think he has the power now to change. How the election is run. The other point is that they see Wisconsin again as a microcosm of the conservative fight. That could happen largely and what could be a new reality of how American elections are run in this pandemic era and in that view dramatically expanding the electorate in these ways are not something that Republicans are all that keen on because what they're worried about is an election in which people who may not have participated or may not have come out all of a sudden have the opportunity to do so and to cast a ballot and that kind of changes the center of power within the state. What do you mean if people participate in different numbers in bigger numbers if it changes the type of people who want to participate in the spring election? That's not necessarily always seen the biggest turnout that changes who can win and who has benefited from the systems in the past and who might benefit if they were to change along the lines of what Governor Devers is asking for. It's hard to say exactly because we're talking about an unprecedented situation. But we do know that the people who are typically benefited from early voting from early registration from online registration or vote by mail where people usually don't participate in the process. Younger voters minority voters people that lean democratic and just in the ways that Republicans Limited early voting and that special session. They had after evert is one. It's the same thought process that with more people get involved when people who typically sit out get involved that helps Democrats Do Democrats acknowledge that an absentee balloting system that is suddenly much more widespread than it has been in the past would be advantageous to them in Wisconsin? They principally try to appeal to voters using Small d democratic ideals the General Basic American principle that everyone should be given the easiest access to vote. They've tried to appeal. The people do public health measures noting. How unsafe it is for people to gather at Paul's but when you ask folks in democratic circles they know that win the electorate expanse particularly in national and statewide elections. That's usually good news for Democrats It's interesting this is not just a debate about how to vote in a pandemic although clearly. That's what's driving a lot of this but in the background from what you're saying is this other question which is whether the systems needed to vote during a pandemic may fundamentally change who votes how many people vote and which party wins exactly is not just about public health. This is about access to power and the kind of most basic fundamental principles of democracy. If the system that we have been traditionally used to can't hold what replaces it and we seem real resistance to that in this state and we may see that resistance all across the country. Why would you say that? Because it's very tempting to see this story as an anomaly right in that. The Governor of Wisconsin waited a very long time to try to postpone the state's primary perhaps too long and the state legislature is this hyper partisan conservative activist body. That is trying to use. Its power for political advantage. So all those factors would seem to make Wisconsin a bit of an outlier. What may seem like an anomaly. Right now might actually just be pacesetter and this could be a preview as to what comes for state after state.
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"Can we talk about? Why this election in Wisconsin matters because part of the reason that the governor didn't WanNa postpone the election was that there were so many things up for election wasn't just the presidential primary. We're talking about city councils seeds and may oral seats all these seats. That could have sat empty. And there's a supreme court seat too. So what are these elections about? Yes so they have more than thirty eight hundred seats on the ballots across the state and that includes nearly sixteen hundred county supervisors and officers Five hundred sixty five school district board positions. Then you've got a lot of lower court judgeships that are open and one of the issues that Iverson noted was you know we. We don't know who can exercise authority in these roles. If we don't have an election these people they're filling terms that have a limited number of years their terms are going to expire. And we don't know who can actually exercise that power anymore so that was a big reason why he didn't want to cancel the election. I think a legitimate reason and a rational reason but by far the most important race that will happen in Wisconsin on Tuesday. Is that State Supreme Court race. Why do you say that because there was constant? Supreme Court is probably the Crown Jewel of the folks effort to remake Wisconsin. I mean the cokes and their their network of donors have poured so many millions and millions of dollars into the State Supreme Court races to install very far right. Reactionary judge is on the Wisconsin Supreme Court and they have succeeded. There's currently five to two conservative majority on the court and if this election swings left and the liberal candidate wins this state Supreme Court election that will go down to a four three conservative. Majority a pretty narrow split and that leaves room for a Democrat liberal to win the next race and turn the court blue flip it create a liberal majority and then that liberal majority can start chipping away at a lot of the extreme stuff that Scott Walker and the Republican legislature have implemented over the last decade or so. So what? Is this going to look like today? I just can't imagine going to vote right now. And many Wisconsin nights cannot either so a couple of things I'll be looking at is basically. How many poll workers simply don't show up to the very few in-person polling places that remain open. I think it's GonNa be fascinating to see if places like Milwaukee and Green Bay Madison can even keep a handful of polling places running because I think a lot of people who are supposed to show up to help are going to be scared you know. They're disproportionately elderly people who work the polls in America. They don't get paid very much. They tend to be people with lots of leisure time on their hands. So old people and they're not going to want to go and face thousands of voters who kind of crush into these these voting places and try not to infect other people are going to say. I'd rather stay home so look for catastrophes on the ground and also look at the election officials who are just swimming in piles of absentee ballots marches stern. Thank you so much for joining me. Sorry I don't have better news for you a few hours after I got off the line with Marc Joseph Stern Wisconsin Governor Eve irs announced. He was suddenly postponing the state's election due to the corona virus Republicans legislature immediately appealed to the State Supreme Court and the court ruled. The election had to go on so I called Mark Back. Can you just lay out exactly what happened here? Oh my God so all right. We got off the phone. I nine hours ago but it feels like it was years ago. I was a younger man. Okay we got off. The phone and Governor Evert issued an executive order that officially postponed the election. He said I am drawing on my legal powers to protect the health and safety of Wisconsin Nights and I am going to delay the election. Cancel in person voting tomorrow and call a special session of the legislature again and ask them to reschedule the election for June. And this is a power that governor had had admitted he did not have right. Yeah he he sort of said like basically. I'm not sure if I have this power that he was sort of playing a little real politique here. I think he recognized. The state has a very conservative and hostile Supreme Court and so he had been saying like I want this to be really clear I want The legislature to change the law. So I don't have to rest on my own shaky powers and he called the legislature into session to a special emergency session to to change the date and then the legislature immediately convened in said. Screw you Tony Evers. Were doing no such thing so he just sort of decided I might as well take a wild swing and see if I can make it work. Nothing to lose right or everything to lose depending on your perspective right Really everything because what ended up happening was Just a few hours after everts issued. This order that Wisconsin Supreme Court issued a four to decision blocking the order. Reinstating Tuesday's election and without explaining its reasoning. Basically saying the show must go on so as of this exact moment there is an election. There is in person voting in Wisconsin. Not many people may be showing up but there is a Wisconsin election on April seventh. So the people who decided that the election was going to go on. They have a way. They want the election to turn out quite absolutely absolutely they have. They openly have a vested interest in this election continuing so that the pandemic suppresses democratic votes and they get to keep their treasured colleague. Dan Kelly on the bench and they have said almost as much in public statements. Okay this conversation. It will drop into people's feeds on Tuesday morning. If I'm waking up in Wisconsin what am I doing? If you're waking up in Wisconsin. I sincerely hope that you cast an absentee ballot. More than a week ago. If you have not yet voted in Wisconsin. I have no idea what to tell you because some campaigns are saying put on your your latex gloves and your face mask and go vote and douse yourself enhance. Sanitizer and other campaigns including mayors who are up for reelection are saying. Don't vote like don't risk your life in order to cast a ballot. It is depressing that we have reached this stage. But you should not risk your health and safety. In order to exercise the franchise so it's like a really difficult. Moral DILEMMA FOR WISCONSIN. I it's and I don't know what I would do. But it's just another reason kind of vivid illustration of why this election should absolutely not be happening right now. Marches of Stern covers the courts and the law for slate minutes. After we got off the phone a second time there was one more. Update this time about how. Many absentee ballots will actually be counted in Wisconsin. Today because legally every ballot has arrived by election day pandemic or no a federal judge had tried to extend that deadline give voters an extra week to send their ballots in but on. Monday evening the. Us Supreme Court struck down that decision to give you an idea of what that means the city clerk. I talked to at the top of the show Mary Beth. She told me this right now. We're looking at thirty eight thousand. Five hundred. Sixty nine absentees. The at risk of having no possibility of being returned by election day. So those thirty eight thousand ballots just wouldn't count rate and that is just in Madison during the last presidential primary in two thousand sixteen. Mary Beth says she got four late ballots. And that's the show if you WANNA call and leave us a message. Tell us how you're doing. We'd love to hear from you. Our number is two zero. Two eight two five eight. Your voicemail will strengthen our reporting you can also find me on twitter. I'm at Mary's desk. What NEXT IS PRETTY BY? Daniel Hewitt Mary Wilson Jason Leone and Mara Silvers. Thanks for listening. I'm Mary Harris. I'll talk to you tomorrow..
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"Gavels. Whoa this is kind of an extraordinary move by the legislature to really thumb. Their nose at the power of the executive and the governor. The biggest elected official in the state has called them into session and said take up this issue and they basically start. The session ended without doing the ASS. So the Republicans do not grant the Governor. His wish for male inbounding system right. I said why is it that Wisconsin has so quickly erupted into a really nasty partisan battle over something as seemingly basic as making sure people can vote safely in a primary election. I mean that was going to be an everyone's bipartisan interest. To protect life right I mean. Democrats and Republicans will be casting ballots. It would seem as if safe voting public health will be an issue in which partisanship would be left to the side and that Democrats and Republicans can agree on the best way to move forward but in Wisconsin. There is no issue in which that can be left aside. What we see is a state that has become so deeply rested by Republican control. That even something like SAF- voting turns into a month fast and for this governor for the Democratic governor. Tony that's been clear since the day he was elected..
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"It's Tuesday April seventh twenty twenty. And if you live in Wisconsin at least at the time we recorded this today. It's election day despite the global pandemic. That's keeping most of us at home right. It said like trying to do the impassable. It's like living a nightmare. Keep asking myself. Am I still alive or possibly be true? Could it Mary Beth whistle bail? She's one of the people trying to carry out this election. She's the city clerk in Madison. I know that you told someone that you're working like a hundred hours a week right now. Yeah how do you even work a hundred hours a week? You become very very grumpy. Mary Beth has been pulling these hours because of what started happening as the election got closer and people are town realized there are going to have to find a way to vote. It's because we were receiving so many absent. He request that it was beyond any of our capacity to process right away by law. Were supposed to have the absence. She in the mail within forty eight hours of receiving the request. So it's like A. It's like a race like you'd get a request and you got two days to get that sucker in the mail. But a couple of Fridays ago our backlog was sixteen thousand emails to process for absentee requests. So Mary Beth had her husband help out at the office. She got her teenage daughter involved. She even trained some out of work librarians to process mail in voter requests. She still couldn't meet the demand by the time. I spoke to Mary Beth on Sunday. Her focus had shifted to getting pulled locations ready. At least the ones she can keep open. She had to shut down about a third of them like the ones in nursing homes because of Kovic nineteen. She was arranging all these work. Arounds like curbside voting an elaborate system involving poll workers and face shields sliding ballots through cracked open car windows then for voters who are entering the polling place. We're asking them to stay succeed apart. We're keeping our poll workers sixteen apart but how many poll workers are going to show up at is the question. Wisconsin's primary election didn't have to be like this. The governor tried to delay it. He proposed mailing ballots to every registered voter so they could vote from home. The legislature rejected these ideas. And that's how Mary Beth got to this point working till two in the morning pressing absentee ballot requests and trying to find plastic face shields for her poll workers. Now she's just hoping those workers actually show up this morning today on the show. We're going to tell the story of how Election Day in Wisconsin got to be such a mess. It's a story about what happens when a pandemic collides with partisan politics. I'm Mary Harris. You're listening to next stick with US after talking to Mary Beth. I wanted to understand why she was still preparing vern election at all so I called up. Slates Marc Joseph Stern. He's been following the pushing pullover Wisconsin's primary when we spoke on Monday afternoon. Things seemed settled. Sort of the election was going forward but there was a dispute about how many people would be able to file absentee ballots. And what would happen if some of those ballots arrived after election day? So let's explain how we got here in Wisconsin. Wisconsin has a democratic governor. But it is definitely swing state with a lot of partisan battles. So how did we get to the point where Wisconsin was even like having this election in the first place because just last month? We're talking about Ohio where I the last minute they were calling the whole thing off so I don't WanNa sound conspiratorial here but I really feel like any realistic conversation about Wisconsin and how it ended up where it is today has to begin with the coke brothers and with and I know I know. Please don't hate me. But what you have to understand is that in the arts the cokes and their allies in their strategist got together and basically decided to pick a state that would serve as the laboratory for all of their ideas and that state was Wisconsin and they needed a governor who would essentially be a puppet for all of their policies. And just do whatever the hell they sat in that puppet with Scott Walker and they needed a legislature that had a sufficiently large Republican majority that Nothing that Walker and the cokes ever proposed would get tanked and they did that by a ruthlessly gerrymandering the state after the two thousand ten census and creating this impenetrable. Gop Wall The the Democrats have not been able to cross over so even when Tony. Eva's won the The governorship in two thousand eighteen. He's a Democrat and he's a democrat. Republicans held fast to the state legislature. Right and their their numbers here were it's like X. percentage of the population voted for Democrats but the legislature. When you look at it looks a little different than not. Yeah so in. Twenty Ten Republicans. Gerrymander the hell out of the state legislature right and they basically pack the blue cities like Madison and Milwaukee. The pact voters into a few districts there and then they spread the rest around the state. So they've got this huge Gerrymander and in two thousand twelve it pays off because in two thousand twelve. Republicans only win forty eight point six percent of the statewide vote in Wisconsin so they don't even win a majority but then that vote translates into sixty out of ninety nine seats and the Wisconsin state assembly. So you've got Republicans winning less than a majority of the vote and capturing a near Super Majority of the state assembly so let's fast forward to now you've got this Democratic Governor Tony Devers. He wants to protect his citizens but at the same time knows that he has to deal with this Republican legislature. Right right and this is where the coke stuff kind of comes back in again not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but after Scott Walker lost his reelection race in two thousand eighteen to Tony Everts the legislature which remained Republican decided that it didn't really think that a democratic governor had a legitimate right to rule and began stripping powers from governor before he took office. I think the way that you put this on the show earlier was Wisconsin is governed by the dead hand of Scott Walker. Yes yes that is exactly correct. Because Republicans basically gave themselves all of the important powers of the governor ship or at least many of the important powers imposing Scott Walker's policies even though Scott Walker himself has no more power and just tweet. Sad pictures of his ham. Sandwich is so in March. Tony vers knows that. He has an election coming up on April seventh. He also knows that. The Corona virus is becoming a major problem and states. All around the country are basically shutting down. So what does he do so either as does not have power to postpone the election that is not a power he has retained and so the Republican legislature is the one holding the cards here and everts decides to try to play? Nice with the Republican legislature. He is a team player. He's a pretty pretty sweet guy and so he sort of goes hand in hand to the legislature and he says look. Why don't we make this an all male election day mostly male election where we pass them? Quick Legislation An implements quick rules. That make sure everyone can easily vote. Absentee people don't have to go to the polls and they won't risk getting the corona virus in order to cast their ballot so we asked the legislature to allow the election to really be all male and like he wanted he wanted ballot sent out to every voter with you know addressed envelopes with stamps on them. So everyone could participate but participate remotely. How did the legislature respond the legislature said in in two words? Hell No. We don't like vote by mail elections. What was their justification? So in the past some Wisconsin officials have been pretty overt about the fact that expanded access to the ballot is bad for Republicans right. You have these occasional stray quips by Republican legislators and operatives in Wisconsin where they say basically we need to suppress votes to make sure we can win but what you have them saying in court. Filings is essentially. This is no big deal. This is a pandemic. But we already had absentee voting. We already had mail in voting mail in balloting. And we don't need to change anything like we can just keep all the rules. The exact same and people can just switch to mail in voting. They want and everything will be totally fine and you could switch to mail in voting pretty late in the process right. Like if I'm Wisconsin voter I could ask for a mail in ballot like last week. I think. Yeah that's right. And if the state had the infrastructure and personnel to prepare for for that possibility then in theory all of this could have been worked out a few weeks ago and I think the state could've run a decently smooth. All male are mostly male election. What happened.
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"Against the advice of public health officials and the wishes of its own. Governor. Wisconsin will hold its Democratic primary today in the middle of a pandemic a stead hunting. On how that happened. It's Tuesday April. Seventh March was always going to be one of the most consequential months of the presidential election by the time we get to the middle of March though. So here's what we're watching breaking news. Louisiana officially could become the first state postpone its Democratic primary election over the corona virus pandemic becomes clear that the corona virus global health pandemic has really ended the race completely after Super Tuesday states that are scheduled to vote start postponing sometimes our canceling their scheduled primaries Georgia becoming the second state to delay its Presidential Primary Kentucky announced that they delay their contest. Well Hios governor pushed back its primary just hours before polls were set to open other states connecticut. Indiana and Maryland. These are all states that said that the public health crisis was too great for them to hold in person elections in March. But there's one state that refuses to budge. Even as public health officials are urging them and states across the country. Have taken that drastic step. It's Wisconsin and what explains that? What's happening in Wisconsin? But when most people look at these presidential primaries particularly in a state like Wisconsin. They think that this is just about the two candidates at the top Joe Biden Brexit's Bernie Sanders and who gets the delegates out of that? But the reason why Wisconsin was holding out and keeping its primary schedule was really to do with more state and local concerns. Initially the Democratic governor. Tony Issues and state. Republican leaders were on the same page. They both agreed that the April seventh election should go forward and they said so for a couple of reasons not only had the virus not really ravaged the state and the same way that we have seen in other parts of the country at the initial time in March when they were making this decision but they agreed on the importance of the state and local races that would be decided down valid on the same day of the presidential primary. I just WanNa make sure people understand. The complexity of our spring. General election is not a primary election only a primary elections of the presidential candidates racist like Shariff's of in mayors and court judges. There's a particularly important Supreme Court race that's happening in the state and both sides agreed that filling these roles was important for the continuance of state government. How long do we hope we've offices Knoxville? Because we're into July August and we haven't held general election and that's why they proceeded with the primary. I WANNA give credit to Governor Iverson. I agree with his decision to say that we are going to hold this election. So despite the risks of holding an in-person primary in the middle of a pandemic despite the fact that many states are postponing these primaries the Republican and Democratic officials in Wisconsin say that this is necessary for the functioning of their government. Right and that's the position they held for about a week and what happens after a week. Well most clearly the factors around the decision change. We need an all hands on deck approach to stop the spread of Cova. Nineteen in Wisconsin. The pandemic becomes more acutely fell in the midwest particularly in Wisconsin. Here is the bottom line. Folks need to start taking a seriously so today. I'm asking for your help. And the governor issues a stay at home order like many other governors did across the country and closes off non essential businesses. It's not something I wanted to do. And it's not something I take. Lightly and people across the state are starting to say well. If we can't leave our houses how are we supposed to vote bright? And what's the answer? The Governor and State Republicans. Keep holding this line. That voting was something that was so essential that the primary was something that was so important that they would try to find some work arounds that included expanding access to absentee ballots and encouraging people to use that measure it included counties taking precautionary measures which include maybe drive thru voting more socially distance lines. But besides all of these creative measures there is an increasing fear particularly among poll workers that the election would be unsafe for them to staff. These are people who ninety percent of them are senior citizens hall workers one of the most vulnerable population to this deadly virus and they start dropping off informing their local jurisdictions that they don't think that they want to participate in the scheduled election a survey from the Election Commission in the state so the more than one hundred jurisdictions cannot adequately staffed or polling locations. Because they wouldn't have the right hole workers to do. So wow that becomes the first real point of pressure to say. How can this election go forward? So what do officials in response to this severe shortage of porkers while they go back to trying to find create a workaround so the first thing that some of the local jurisdictions do is close and limit their polling locations. Some of the more drastic examples include Milwaukee the biggest city in the state going from one hundred eighty polling locations typically down to just five or seven and yet everyone still seems committed to holding this election. They were until the virus intensifies and the state in cases increase as the deaths increase. That's when you see a real shift from the governor. Either folks governor here and it's a big one so today I'm asking the legislature to come together to take bipartisan action to ensure that every registered voter receives an absentee ballot devote in the upcoming election keeper poses a dramatic expansion in the states absentee ballot voting system essentially making it a universal vote by mail system. So I'm hoping that the legislature will act swiftly. Send absentee ballots to every single registered. Voter living in Wisconsin. The state would mail three point. Three million eligible voters. Aboul it whether they requested it or not and that represents a real change in how the electoral process would work throughout the state where this is not a republican issue or a democratic issue. This is an issue of democracy. I don't care who gets the credit. I just want to make sure that everyone has a chance to cast their ballot. This April thanks for watching. And let's get it done folks and that's when we really see the partisan pushback start what began as a democratic governor and a republican state legislature. That were basically on. The same page has now devolved and to what is by all accounts a partisan bloodbath from the moment that verse proposes that every person would be mailed a ballot whether they BASF FORD or not Republicans Go Haywire. Right now Senate. Majority leader. Scott Fitzgerald is calling this idea of fantasy. Yeah this is probably my biggest disappointment so far working with the administration since this all happened. They say that this is not only logistically impractical It was completely disingenuous for their Belvin. Her to Tapeh of video and posted as if this was reality to float the idea that they were going to find enough outer envelopes balanced themselves. Inner envelopes with First Class Postage and mail it out to three point. Three million people in Wisconsin is completely made up but also kind of morally and democratically raw. You know that happens sometimes. I guess if if you're feeling pressure from one of your own special interests or from the party themselves but and Everts knows that state law does not allow him to kind of unilaterally. Make huge changes and how Wisconsin runs the election folks. I can't move this election or change the roles on my own. My hands are tied. He needs to help of the legislature. It's a one of the measures he tries to do is call a special session of the legislature and encourage them to delay the election and implement changes. That would allow every person to be able to vote without going in person. Eric legislators to take this call for special session seriously. It doesn't go. The legislature gavels in a session. This past Saturday April twenty twenty special session of the Senate will come to order. Objection People Twenty Twenty Special Session with standard German 'til Monday April six and less than a minute later April twenty.
"wisconsin" Discussed on FiveThirtyEight Politics
"Wisconsin is likely to be the only state with in person voting. This April Democratic governor of Wisconsin. Tony either is called a special session of the state legislature this weekend to try to postpone the state's election on Tuesday but the Republican controlled legislature declined. The governor had also previously called for sending a mail ballot to every registered voter in Wisconsin which the legislature also declined. So as of this taping. The election will happen tomorrow. Including IN PERSON VOTING. There are plenty of things that could potentially go poorly. There's been a large request for mail ballots likely more than the state has ever processed and in Milwaukee for example which normally has one hundred eighty polling places. Only five will be open so Mike. Why didn't Wisconsin Postpone? It's election like all the other states voting. In April. I think at this point. Sixteen states have postponed primaries fifteen states. One territory including Puerto Rico. Why isn't Wisconsin postponing its election to beyond? I'm not really sure the answer to that question. Do we actually know the answer to that question? They should've right I think that's dysfunction but Li- partisanship okay so Wisconsin Gaylon. You should actually as a person with lots of Wisconsin. She's head yeah you should. You should answer this. But like Wisconsin has always been at the forefront of recently has been at the forefront of American political dysfunction. Let's say and they are opposing that venerable tradition here. You know the governor. Tony Evers. I think was really late in calling for the election to be cancelled. The Republican late legislature for partisan reasons does not want to allow methods of voting. Basically make it easier to vote not in person because those methods double as ways that expand the electorate and helped Democrats in the long term. But I'm not sure there's a good reason why they're doing it is there. I think that in some ways your crack the state legislature to seize voting by mail having a ballot sent to like everybody in Milwaukee Who might have usually voted in person late this lawsuit that was decided on Friday? That's now headed potentially into the US Supreme Court. One of the plaintiffs was sold to the polls. Which is in Milwaukee drives a lot of people from black churches to the polls to vote in person where male voting may not be as common as it is among older whiter wisconsinite who live more rural areas who might have been planning on voting by mail all along so certainly there is a partisan dynamic here. I think maybe Tony I was waiting to allow the court to rule as to whether or not to postpone this. He's claimed this entire time that he doesn't have the authority to postpone the election on his own. He has to rely on the state legislature other democratic strategists in the state have said that he should go ahead and use his emergency powers. Although does a Democrat won the example that an executive can use emergency powers to postpone on election unilaterally. When I don't know maybe there's some fear that trump could ultimately try to do that in November. I don't know if that's the logic behind all of this but yeah I think there are a lot of quirky and some bad faith logic here in terms of what's happened in the setup for this election for short so you're going to end up with a really stop election as you mentioned. Gaylon particularly in more urban parts of the state. There's not enough poll workers. The number of polling places is going to be way down. They're bringing in the National Guard. There Brandon national so okay so those places are going to end up more crowded right because you're going to have probably fewer people overall but also the number of places where they're gathering is going to be way down. People are going to be confused about where to vote where their polling places. It's just like dangerous. It's dangerous and also you know okay. The Democratic presidential primary is mostly over. So maybe the stakes aren't so high there but you have the State Supreme Court race there that could have have a ultimately probably rule on whether they can purge all these voters from the list for twenty twenty. And you're going to an election where you know. Urban parts of the state are probably going to be disproportionately prevented or it's going to be made harder to vote in more urban parts of the state which are more democratic so yeah it should be interesting for the record also that State Supreme Court that is likely to rural on the Congressional and state legislative maps that the state uses for the next decade. Because Tony Iverson is still going to be in control in twenty twenty one likely still republican state legislature. They won't agree. It will go to the State Supreme Court. And they're basically going to draw the line. So like four Wisconsin. A lot is at stake here other states giving you brought up the idea that like maybe maybe Iverson. A Democratic governor doesn't want to use these big executive powers to kind of throw his weight around although if not now when you know I mean it's it's it's interesting. Ohio used the pop. The top public health officials are declared a public health emergency and so they kind of hid behind it as the wrong way to say it but you know they use that as the shield of like. This is a legitimate public health. Emergency we need to do it. I don't know I find Wisconsin's situation perplexing and also totally explainable because of American political psychology. And I if I were a voter going to the polls tomorrow and Wisconsin. It would be a nervous making situation and I kind of wonder how that will you know whenever the next sort of big set of legislative elections in Wisconsin is how that plays right this this sort of pretty screwed up tension between the governor and the state legislature neat do we know like these potentially partisan strategizing based on assumptions about voting by mail. Do we know that like a universal vote by mail would benefit Democrats. And maybe you don't know specifically about Wisconsin nationally if in November se using this as a preview for what could happen down the road if in November every registered voter were to get a ballot in America does not necessarily have partisan implications not totally clear where the directionality goes on this so they various kind of hypotheses he might offer on the one hand. Older people tend to take more advantage of voting by mail. Where it's an option right. That might help. Republicans to data point different data point well seats at habit like California Washington Oregon. You know and to some extent. Arizona Research trended more blue than other states. That's maybe maybe not caused alphabet to different data point another data point the general when you make an easy people vote. Democrats seem to like that. Republicans don't write another data point. That's curtis related. Okay well older. People are more vulnerable to curb Iris. And so if you have a case where like people are taking some measure of risk for current. Maybe they don't want to turn out to vote so it's definitely not clear if you today. Pelosi in trump reach an agreement and McConnell. There's universal vote by mail. It's not clear I obviously that would benefit in November so I think people kind of relying on their priors and the GOP is like okay. We frankly this is one of the critiques that you need to make about the Republican Party. Right they tend to make it harder. People vote and their first instinct is. I don't trust things that make it easy for people to vote even time corona virus and they can overcome that. I think ultimately it's going to be state by state by the way. This is actually one reason. A little walkie aside here one reason why? The Electoral College may be useful in a case. Like this is at six. GonNa Different decisions about whether you can vote by mail or not. That might lead to very different turnout in different types of states if you are having say a second wave in November that might lead to further skews the electoral college and the and the popular vote. But it's the reason. Why if in some state you have to venture to the polls in a mask and you know in a suit right to like biohazard suits right. I'm exaggerating here. Obviously to vote and something she just kind of drop a ballot in the mail. But you can bet which. It's going to higher turnout. And therefore that'd be a recent contained things electoral college so each state has he doesn't need number of votes go. So how many people turn out. That's a very wonky. Aside it will not please people who do not like the electoral college but like in some ways you are college actually as a helpless teach maybe to have in the event of something like this where different rules and how you vote in every state I mean I think we should also say just mentioned that there is a report out from politico that talks about the trump teams stake in not changing election laws because of the current a virus crisis the idea that they don't want to change the voting rules for it but a November election that is potentially altered by our you know stay at home pandemic status so that's something to keep in mind. I think we'll talk about this more. Broadly in other podcasts. But that's that's certainly a play in the number. The November election seems like the farthest thing away now but is is is certainly being thought about by you know lots of campaign lawyers and strategists. Yeah I mean. Trump was pretty blunt about this on Fox News. I think he told Fox and friends. He was talking about the house. Bill that was part initial proposal in this two point two trillion dollar stimulus package. Initially they wanted to include vote by mail and the money in order to do it and trump says about that quote the things they had in their crazy they had levels of voting. That if you ever agree to you'd never have a republican elected in this country again. So he is clearly making the assumption that expanding the opportunity to vote will harm Republicans. You serve amazing. He said that I mean maybe not. Just you know I yeah. I don't I actually don't think it's amazing anymore. Both in regards to trump and I think plenty of Republicans have sort of like spoken the subtext as taxed as regards to like making it harder to vote but as clear said that political pieces. Pretty amazing well. Maybe I'd actually. Maybe it's not amazing but you know the trump campaign is working with GOP officials in all these states to block these voting reforms. I was actually talking about this with Perry a couple of weeks ago but you can imagine. Democrats have been pushing these reforms for awhile. That's beclere Democrat. Probably believe in expanding vote. They also want to do it because they think it'll help them politically right but we we might have been much better prepared electorally for crisis like corona virus. Had A lot of these reforms. Been put in place and it'll be really interesting to watch the efforts to stop some of these reforms in the context of Corona virus. I think it's just another example of politics doesn't stop just because of a pin a little thing like a pandemic we just might not pay attention to it as much I mean. That's I think that's the thing that's really who's paying who is truly paying close close close close close attention to all this politics stuff right like I think so. Many Americans are just focused on the life or death stuff and so eventually. We'll we'll emerge from this these blinders on kind of reading about coverage and and I do think this dynamic will become more apparent to more Americans you could see in the late summer. This kind of becoming like a a convention cry from Biden. Right that his much-scaled-down August convention which I do not look forward to attending you. Know he might say look at the Republicans taking advantage of the crowd of hours right and trumpets. There's you can just see it becoming this back and forth already right like it's not. You don't have to be creative to know what's going to happen so this stuff already you emerge but you're seeing the table being set now over. Sure I mean when Pelosi had that in the initial house bill you had Republicans describing it as a push ballot harvesting saying that if you sent a ballot every registered voter in America. You'd be sending it to people who moved to people who had died and those ballots could be filled out by whoever wanted it. You know like kind of going back to if you take this measure of that would expand the opportunity or the convenience of voting that could lead to election fraud. Maybe perhaps the irony being that the most recent case we solve that kind of election fraud was north. Carolina's ninth Congressional district and it. Was You know Republican crew? That was basically harvesting ballots in favor of of the Republican in that Congressional election. But like okay so just to come back to Wisconsin momentarily before we wrap things up. We talked about that a state Supreme Court election. What about the primary? So maybe it's not competitive. But what does the picture look? Like on the ground in Wisconsin. Because I think Sandra might have thought at some point that he could win. Wisconsin so yeah. Pollsters have not been taking as many poles of the primary. Because it's not that competitive be because there's more important things like the global pandemic going on however. There was very high quality of whole of Wisconsin conducted last week for Marquette University law school it had biting ahead sixty two to thirty four so by twenty eight points and under.
"wisconsin" Discussed on Mickstape: The Barstool Basketball Podcast
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"wisconsin" Discussed on Fresh Air
"To the interview fresh air's dave davies recorded with dan kaufman author of a new book about the state of wisconsin dramatic political shift from blue to red it's called the fall of wisconsin when they left off there were talking about wisconsin's current governor conservative scott walker and two thousand eleven he signed a landmark law act ten that restricted the power of public employee unions to bargain collectively perhaps their primary function it took away the main incentive for employees to pay union dues and join the union at ten let the protests from democrats and union activists at the wisconsin state capital that lasted more than two weeks a lot of us will remember seeing was the wisconsin state capital jammed with protesters day and night you talked to an awful lot of democrats in a lot of union activists and community activists how did they feel about the union movement and the democratic party's response to this proposal when act ten was still being debated well i think they felt a lot of sympathy with the state representatives that went to eleanor they were very proud of them for doing that they felt a lot of anger towards national democrats for what they felt was abandoning this important fight for example president barack obama in two thousand seven had said in south carolina that if anyone attacks collective bargaining rights i'm going to put on a pair of comfortable walking shoes and march with people now when they did exactly that in wisconsin he didn't come nor did he come during a subsequent recall election after act ten was passed that was also a legacy that progressive era where you could recall your state officials if you collected a quarter of the signatures of those that voted they collected nearly a million signatures to recall scott walker but they were kind of left to their own in fact president obama's deputy press secretary stephanie cutter said this has nothing to do with president obama even though tom barrett walkers opponent had pleaded with obama to come and help now scott walker in two thousand eleven specifically aimed his attacks at public employee unions and there are other unions particularly building trades unions who were not particularly sympathetic to public employee's this is a division i've seen in a lot of states where their labor is not always united how did that play out in wisconsin play it well walker one about a third of union households in all of his election so definitely divide and conquer is an effective strategy but then after walker passed a right to work line two thousand fifteen a lot of them expressed profound regret one of them that i follow closely in the book randy bryce who is now running for speaker of the house paul ryan's congressional seat was extremely cognizant of what the intention was and and he describes people in his local coming up to him and regretting this vote for walker they didn't see it coming they thought they were different they thought they were special and in some ways president trump has instituted the same strategy he is spoken to the national conference of building trades trying to say you know you're the good guys we we like what you do but these other people you know not so much and that's effective let's just clarify the term right to work bill that sounds like a good thing in what sense is it antiunion well it makes paying union fees voluntary however the union still obligated to represent you in agreements so that weakens the union's financial position so it starves the union of funds so scott walker survives reelection campaign after beating the recall election and then in two thousand sixteen the presidential election arrived in wisconsin as it does in the rest of the country the democratic primary bernie sanders beats hillary clinton by thirteen points why did hillary clinton have trouble connecting to democratic voters in wisconsin think several reasons one she has never been a close ally of labor wisconsin progressives were deeply wounded by the attacks on labor she was a former corporate board member of walmart and notoriously anti union company and she also supported for many many years of free trade agreements like nafta and the china's membership into the world trade organization that have really impacted the industrial midwest in such a profound way people are aware that you can drive by a factory and they'll say oh this factory moved to mexico and then went on to vietnam they are very keenly aware other factors played a role automation and so on but these agreements really impacted particularly.
"wisconsin" Discussed on Fresh Air
"Free men or the feudal serfs of corporate capital and this was the spirit of wisconsin progressivism the idea that corporate power needed to be contained they weren't necessarily socialistic although there were some walkie socialists but they believed that unfettered loz affair capitalism was damaging to society as a whole and that spirit lefale who went onto become governor and senator of the state was channeled into policies that limited for example banned corporate donations to candidates instituted direct primaries to limit the influence of for example the railroad companies things like this to open the government up to normal everyday citizens and that was the spirit of wisconsin progressivism and then in the early twentieth century there were a number of reforms that we kind of are used to everywhere nowadays but they were really revolutionary at the time talking about the really were this was another aspect that was very unusual in particular to wisconsin it became called the wisconsin idea and la it was a very much a champion of the state university the flagship university in madison and the wisconsin idea was a kind of ethos that placed on the university of wisconsin a moral obligation to serve the citizens of the entire state and this would entail crafting legislation drawing on the faculty to help draft legislation for example the first worker's compensation bill was passed in wisconsin in nineteen eleven that then became a model for the entire state much of the new deal was crafted by wisconsin is loyal to this notion of the sconsin idea people that had served with lefale and his successors for example the unemployment insurance program was first drafted in wisconsin and then it was made national the social security act was drafted by officer at the university of wisconsin even medicare thirty years later was drafted by wisconsinite named wilbur cohen who was loyal to the wisconsin idea and this was in exemplification of this humanistic philosophy that influenced the entire country so how many of these social changes were actually inactive in wisconsin they did establish what a workers compensation law which helped compensate workers for injuries on the job what else another key one was the first successful progressive state income tax before that i think it was sixteen states had tried and failed they had been stymied because politicians were reluctant to enforce it because people would become very angry so even though an income tax might be instituted they would collect very little revenue and then it would be overturned in a court decision and wisconsin was facing the same troubles so this man named delo kinsmen drafted a successful state income tax and he did it by instituting numerous change as that made people see the benefits in other words the tax money would be used for mainly for local communities so they would see the benefits of it and he made it very progressive so it hit the wealthier harder and other things that made it successful and then it became a model for states to collect revenue to do good things like invest in libraries schools roads other things that were needed and useful to the community as a whole it's interesting that in the early twentieth century that the state of wisconsin a granted of worker's comp insurance at progressive income tax of couple of decades later unemployment insurance and you know nowadays when a state proposes something like that business interests say wait a minute this is going to be a job killing tax or regulation employers will move out of the state if you impose these burdens on businesses that other states don't carry was that done at the time how did they deal with well i think the reason it was able to be successful wisconsin is la follett had really limited the influence of corporate money into the public sphere into the government sector so they were able to do some of these things and it was reflective of the time i think you've seen changes since nineteen seventy six buckley versus vallejo and on into citizens united that has very much opened up the flood of corporate money and that can really influence policy and you've seen that very strongly in wisconsin recently where a lot of these reforms have been overturned but but so when when these reforms were enacted in wisconsin the railroads the manufacturers didn't leave him it at the state really developed fairly robust manufacturing economy right they did and they were able to find a balance i mean there was also the skill in which these laws were crafted for example john commons the economics professor who drafted.
"wisconsin" Discussed on Fresh Air
"To red which dan kaufman author of the fall of wisconsin the state's long tradition of progressive politics dating back to the nineteenth century was radically transformed in recent years as exemplified by donald trump's victory in wisconsin in twenty ten republican scott walker was elected governor and then led a historic assault on public employee unions kaufman says before walker's victory conservatives worked for years to change the state there was certainly gerrymandering there was a huge flood of dark money it was frankly a week democratic opposition to his message and there was a stoking of resentment in a time of economic insecurity that is very powerful also jeff number considers the difference between british and american english and ken tucker reviews guerrillas new album in the two thousand sixteen presidential election hillary clinton was so confident of carrying wisconsin that she never made a single campaign appearance in the state but our guest journalist and wisconsin native dan kaufman talked to labor leaders at the time who were worried she could lose the state to donald trump kaufman says trump's narrow win in wisconsin marked the completion of a dramatic change in the political culture of the state which had a long tradition of progressive leadership dating back to the nineteenth century six years before trump's win the state's voters elected conservative populace scott walker governor with the help of a republican controlled legislature walker waged an unprecedented assault on public employee unions in the state and later signed a right to work bill which undermined private sector unions dan kaufman has written for the new york times magazine and the new yorker he spoke to fresh air's dave davies about his new book the fall of wisconsin the conservative conquest of progress bastion and the future of american politics we'll dan kaufman welcome to fresh air you know we often think of cities as the centers of progressive democratic politics but wisconsin was a leader going way back you remind us what did that have to do with those who settled wisconsin in the first place this is interesting in the eighteen forties waves of scandinavian immigrants started settling in wisconsin they brought with them a kind of communitarian ethos many of them they were fleeing very harsh environment in norway for example only three percent of the land is errol so they had to bond together and this forged a kind of egalitarianism communitarianism that impacted the state's politics robert follett was perhaps the most influential figure and state politics at least historically tell us about him he was a very interesting man he grew up on a farm partly in dane county which is where madison is located and he was surrounded by norwegian immigrants there was a movement at the time in the eighteen sixties called the grange eighteen sixties and eighteen seventies and they were battling being the railroad interests which were dominating wisconsin politics along with the timber interests the railroad and timber interests controlled effectively controlled wisconsin state legislature and they would gauge the farmers on the shipping their crops so there was a kind of agrarian populist movement that rose up against them the follow was influenced by this movement and there was another key influence on him this was the chief justice of wisconsin a man named edward ryan and he gave a speech in eighteen seventy three to the university of wisconsin law school lefebvre would enroll in that law school the following fall but he said the question will arise and arise in your day though perhaps not fully in mine which she'll rule wealth or man which shall lead money or intellect who shall fill public stations educated and pay tr dot.
"wisconsin" Discussed on Two Broads Talking Politics
"School everybody this is kelly again with two broads talking politics when we asked on twitter what people would like to see in our wisconsin episode we've got an overwhelming response that our listeners wanted to hear from kathy myers so online here right now with me i have kathy myers hello kathy colo so kathy you are running for congress in the first district and wisconsin yeah yeah some thank you so much uh for inviting me to be onto the i really appreciate that yes we're thrilled to have you so why don't you tell us why you're running for congress shirt well uh there's no shortage of reasons to run for congress i actually uh have the uh a a fair amount of experience um family wise in politics i we i grew up talking politics and uh i've been actively engaged in my community as an elected official and i'm on the member i'm a member of the school board in janesville and i was elected in 2013 and reelected in 2016 and i um i you know i i've always sort of kept us in the back of my head that maybe someday i might do something like this but then uh donald trump was elected and that sort of accelerated um my thoughts and my my plans uh tremendously and then we had the women's march which made me think that you know is time for women to stand up and i think women need to uh have a have a voice and should be very much a part of this conversation and the need to be more to be found in more leadership roles and then on top of that was the selection of betsy devos off as education secretary uh my day job is as a high school english teacher and i have uh i've been teaching uh i'm in my 24th your now and education is incredibly important to me and public education to me is the foundation of this country and so when he put someone in there that really is only interested in dismantling public education uh i just felt that i needed to stand up and.
"wisconsin" Discussed on FiveThirtyEight Politics
"By like the rest of the caucus nino didn't think about it too much former republican senate majority leader del schultz i served in the wisconsin legislature for thirty two years i used to be considered one of the most conservative members of the wisconsin legislature you know i think most people now would consider me game moderate he retired from the legislature in two thousand fifteen and has since spoken out against gerrymandering some people go a little piggy and as the old man used to tell me on his farm pigs get fed and hogs get slaughtered and and odd some point they get so piggy they become hogson the supreme court asked to step in and i think that's kind of what's happened here senate majority leader at the time and still today scott fitzgerald declined to be interviewed when they had finished their work they call the each legislator in one by one to show them their district in sort of get a tacit approval are you okay with this i went over there and who is shown my district in was mostly relieved that they didn't change much only republican lawmakers got to see their districts in fact when they got to a point that they were having rank and file legislators look at the maps they were required to sign nondisclosure agreements that they wouldn't talk about these maps in any way now you didn't get to see the whole you just got to see your district it was a process that even republicans who had been around said they'd never seen anything like it before it was more closed than it ever been passed there was less interest in paying attention to a local governments and good government groups that are out there when republicans had finished showing the maps to lawmakers they called an extraordinary midjuly session to vote on them here's democratic assembly minority leader peter barca the brought this forward suddenly and i think it was within two or three weeks at the paya through the entire process which is virtually unheard of.
"wisconsin" Discussed on The Herd with Colin Cowherd
"So tonight we have the second of sex we have our second college football committee show can be six of these right this is the second one tonight so here is my prediction it's going to look just like last week georgia obama notredame clemson oklahoma the key to look out for is wisconsin they are going to protect themselves my prediction the committee will protect themselves first of all there's the they were ninth last week wisconsineau move up in wisconsin place iowa michigan both ranked over the next two weeks so you watch wisconsin either get into that final four or the fifth spot and they're going to protect themselves so i've been hearing this narrative for the last couple of weeks in its idiotic that if wisconsin wins out they're not going to get in your out of your mind fan boy georgia if you lose taliban emma and you're going to wisconsin if they're undefeated gets in get over it it ain't gonna be close and i don't think georgia is going to beat alabama and i don't care if it's close they're not getting in over an unbeaten wisconsin team a real simple you do get the committee is a series of grownups athletic directors' people that work together all year long for college sports you really believe they're going to keep up power five team that's undefeated out do you know that acrimony and the resentment that would be a nightmare decision by a committee this is grown up a dis that have worked together for years they're not going to set a precedent of keeping an undefeated big five team out pierre rejected the second thing is these executives love college football and they want their sport to keep growing because they all make more money and the you know what you don't do put in an entirely southern final four of clemson georgia bama oklhoma they want notre dame or wisconsin in there and if wisconsin goes undefeated the power the big ten audience will make it a much higher raided and more national television show at the end of the year.
"wisconsin" Discussed on News Talk 1130 WISN
"Culloty d commit taylor herro is d committing he is one of the best basketball players as i said at the midwest there are three phenomenal players in the state of wisconsin this year all ranked in the top 75 in america wisconsin is getting none of them joey hauser is going to marquette jordan mccabe is going to maryland and now herro is going somewhere else they suddenly indication that herro was concerned that nobody else good was coming to was and the incoming wisconsin class himself and even while go to a program that was on the downslide this is the kind of slow while the effect that can occur with the program i do think badger fans who have had such a long history of a strong basketball program there have to wonder if this isn't the third assistant in a row to come in and said that university back stu jackson quit standing gun the almost killed the program dick better came in turned it back around he edited off to brad soderberg almost destroyed the program paul ryan and incredible success handed it off to guard did well enough when he was still using both players karn greg guard recruit players are not right now the indication would be he he can't and losing harrell wonder were heroes get a goal i know precisely where wisconsin bears are praying he doesn't end up now and that would be of marquette teacher at lincoln hills they call the teachers lincoln hills is the juvenile prison in northern wisconsin beaten up by an inmate blaming governor walker saying that the governor's reforms after the earlier problems that lincoln hills are now making it not safe for the employees well walker's under fire the corrections department was under fire for being too aggressive in controlling.