17 Episode results for "Winters"
90 Day Fiance Trash Talk Live on Zoom THIS SATURDAY 11/14 @ 7pm EST
"Hello, it's us. It's Tracey. Carnazzo and Noel Winters. Hello. Amy Noel Winters. Snowy Winters Herzog. Oh my God. We almost forgot your last your other last name because we got so excited about this Saturday this Saturday, November 14th at 7 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. We're having a 90 Day Fiance live podcast on Zoom. Why what are we covering? We're going to be cut off Darcy and Stacy episodes eight nine and ten, so we're finishing it off. Did you get your tickets yet Noel. I got my tickets. Did you get your tickets yet? I got my tickets there on eventbrite.com and you could find that in your show notes. So if you're listening to this and you're coming to our live podcast, make sure you get tickets right now right now do it now. Come on do it now. Okay, bye-bye.
90 Day Fiance Trash Talk LIVE on Zoom THIS SATURDAY 11/14 7pm EST
"Hello, it's us. It's Tracey. Carnazzo and Noel Winters. Hello. Amy Noel Winters. Snowy Winters Herzog. Oh my God. We almost forgot your last your other last name because we got so excited about this Saturday this Saturday, November 14th at 7 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. We're having a 90 Day Fiance live podcast on Zoom. Why what are we covering? We're going to be cut off Darcy and Stacy episodes eight nine and ten, so we're finishing it off. Did you get your tickets yet Noel. I got my tickets. Did you get your tickets yet? I got my tickets there on eventbrite.com and you could find that in your show notes. So if you're listening to this and you're coming to our live podcast, make sure you get tickets right now right now do it now. Come on do it now. Okay, bye-bye.
370. Interviews: Bill Winters, Group Chief Executive at Standard Chartered
"Jason Base and it's my pleasure to be joined by bill winters group chief executive we want And I really appreciate you making some times come until two and then that's the pleasure I it's nice to be able which bank is it thirty five retail regions something like that across few years well we look at it all the time so it's exactly how we look at it evolves over wins between all those things and there's also connections where we have retail between the wholesale business so there's there's sort of a horizontal and a vertical network effector that we're trying to capture all the time Ankara we have one market where we have one hundred percent market share I'll bet you can't guess what it is her and we have some markets wonderful markets like Hong Kong where market shares is more like ten percent I guess so yeah different countries different markets different positions than what we try that if we can't figure out what the need or we don't think we can deliver it in a differentiated way then it and they're currently some some similarities across markets and writers and I think that's probably right as as technology becomes more portable across borders but nevertheless so how do you pick which regions to really go for in that space because I guess in some ways you could say well uh-huh call it even liberating realization for us over the past few years is that when you've been in the market for one hundred and sixty years it's natural to think of yourself as an income it from a branding with with new paradigm being developed in terms of accessing customers and customer relationships to get two markets where we just don't have penetrations so yeah we're looking at a we we built a standalone virtual bank in Cote d'Ivoire Ivory Coast so that it's a complete full service on a mobile phone and and that was a new market providing to local customers it's a small market for sure and in countries where we do have a retail presence right and in those cases it's just a it's an additional channel I guess that points to something around to different operating model or different or should they be doing smaller plays and then moving on like how do you think about that okay so we we spent some money to iron out the wrinkles to make sure that we could have a latest gadgets and wings what we're building in Hong Kong can deliver that but that's that's the intention we have an in-between roll out in India last year hiring on a new human touch digital complementary channel to to offer services that are consistent with with best in class or within striking virtual back in Hong Kong is is is denault operation with US physically separate up and also the challenges of the start up I think we're also realizing that being on our our Hong Kong Bank and in the context of startup because it's uh on the other hand I ask you what what's what's going to slow down some of the other participants in this market China doesn't necessarily work in Hong Kong so so the fact that we can take a so of course there's give and take things where we're in much better shape by iron out all the wrinkles at the outset so that as we roll this model out and subsequent it is often that the underlying sort of balance sheet the financial products is I'm channel view yet but I guess with a large bank that house plays out it's a huge challenge and I think I think any any bank and we're getting better at dealing with the challenge I'm not gonNA pretend that we've transformed the Culture Center chartered in the past works for for new ideas with with sort of limited ability to do harm in happens outside of the main ship and gets back in we'll see for for the time being organization to innovate themselves and then we've been very careful to have fully funding for interpreters some of which are really exciting and at the same time giving tation it'd be different for Senator Charter than it will be for somebody for example that has a big proportion gone for banking licences there in the region of partnerships and aggregations of services flavor What do you think what do you think behind that in terms of their dealing with him and and there's there's different ways to skin that cat they very fast with an effective partnership but we found is is that senator chartered so I think we are really nice people I think what Senator Charter brings to the equation is a recognition partnerships so we're investing heavily in these partnerships where we can you know leading a a a really interesting bank in the you are in so many of these in you know across the world how do you prioritize organization at scale really boil down into into two things and and a third was more of an aspiration in China Hong Kong as well as a the second largest clearer dollars in the WanNa do it in a way that that we provide less of what clients don't value from us we just undifferentiated onto proposition that we don't manufacture anything so we're we're a distributor and logical singularity which is trust and right now we have that today and we're doing service with with that in fact with our entire retail business but in particular with asset in heavily on digitizing everything that we do now that's not differentiated but we have partnered with a now we will partner with we can offer something different in terms of building propositions exactly it's on the wall behind us because actually digitizing the digital traditionally bankers view the world in their product framework it's a credit card it's alone how does that work yeah I mean that's quite a mind shift collision shift in in how things work Ohio high single digits to a less respectable lower single digits over twelve year are produced by third parties We put a super strong colleague who had been running our Global Chris because you can you can change in days if you can get the mindset in the incentivisation not too long a period of time wow and we're repeating guided market aftermarket aftermarket some of the tools that we're developing will make a difference there as well and the you know working with dentists giving them the guys down in Hong Kong was amazing actually out of I'm not going to share that with him because I wanted to really focus on a the region show so she's not ruling that out in Malaysia Indonesia and India etc We're not done yet I mean I don't want to pretend that we're done but we know that we can do it so I'm fascinated by on complaints I that was proper proper handling complaints we and so we we tried to build as much of the service platform as we could into our versions two and three individually in Hong Kong the the idea is to allow much more self service and much more intuitive Donna on a series
Dillian Whyte's Heavyweight Protege Alen Babic vs Shawndell WintersLive Fight Chat
"As intended for mature audiences, the views and opinions expressed are those of the panelists and do not reflect in any way. Those are the podcast partners, sponsors or affiliates enjoy. This is Michael Buffer and you're listening to the voice of the people. Let's get ready. For Boxing Voice Say Daddy this adult. Dot Com. Action. Me Win. Lose To Kiss. Input, fight. Everybody Watch me. Hostile Special. Things. Packing. Big Deal. Related. And you're fighting have. Called At the. Tables. Have ended today. By. Reduction. Welcome, back, Ladies and gentlemen welcome back to another edition of the box voice. I'm your host Nesta gives joined alongside Alexander Lion as New Jersey, and we are live one of the Fi chat in some. Some heavyweight action, we got dillion whites, protege heavyweight protege Allen Babic Babic has over a hundred amateur fights and he's twenty nine. So I believe is going to give all types of problems to the older shorter lighter Shonda winters who came in at one ninety three. Allen Babic is a nickname. The savage we'll see will he bring that? In, tonight's fight I'll tell you this though do me the skies never been four rounds? He only has three fights. Sean winners was just stopped by former. W. B. O. Champion. Joseph Park heavyweight division in his last fight. So I was interested at three and dude, jumping up like this. I'm I gotta pay attention and now we got an aerial shot of fight camp and you know even though Eddie takes a Lotta hate from the trolls I think that this is by far the best looking fight scene that we have when you compare it to PBC the bubble. ESPN. matchroom killing it Shaan del looking real thin. Do Me I don't know my? Yeah. Yeah, I mean. I was just ready to jump in and hit you with he's walking real limber on his feet, but he does look thin and a smaller guy. Babic was definitely looking intimidate men and. His neck was frigging wide is. A tree trunk for those who saw the you know the close face up that they were having or whatnot. But you know this isn't about who's the biggest strongest slickest. And who who's going to implement their game plan more I figured winters stays away from the tough exchanges because I'm pretty sure Babic who even though has only had a few fights at the pro hasn't gone eight he's Tko. He has kayode guys Tko, guys and you know he's going to be looking throw some leather on the inside. So you I was GonNa be interesting to see experience over youth. Maybe Sean. Delta, Roy went to can give us a good fight. You know I'm saying Alan Babic is obviously the favorite. You know he's going into the statement but You know, for instance, can stay disciplined and avoid the big heavy shots I think he can make it a a test for Alan Fabric. Now how many you guys have Actually. Seen Allen Babic says he only had a few fights so You know put that pedigree that bad amateur pedigrees definitely going to help him right. Doesn't help you Once you get into the, you know eight round bouts. So hope is tank is I haven't seen much of Alan Babic. So maybe he's not just one guy that's GonNa just unloading blows. Lola's say hopefully, he can maintain a decent winters. Look super thin man he better be using. Oh what was that extra tap to the stomach? Did you see that? Yeah Hey where are you at now? Because I got just came into the ring what yeah. They're taking his shirt I mean his his. Towel his neck on how is that possible? We're both the zone. This is A. Oh. My God is wild. He's wild Ken winces and I told my oh Let's go you. All right. So we're not on the same time. I told somebody is going to be able to last the ten rounds because he never been past like four everything is not cow. So can winters take him deep? He never been deep. This is third to me. Oh. Big inside right hand attic in the clinch in a Nice Jab Babic winters that hurt winter the right followed by that Jab, he's back on it. He's using those billion white fly gloves. They went down well at least winters did. Winters. Winters jumping up and down on my feet I don't know how that happens but off is all. He's just all brute force I mean he's east on telling you. He can gas out if he continues open good body where did with the right hand Call. Body Oh nice. Parry to he's DC one hundred Amateur Sean Good Jab by winces went to survive in the Storm Bat Oh Babic would have no counter left Hook Anna Raihan. Oh. He's putting body where but good good clinch pilot by winters not allowing them to keep work man winters looks old grandfather and now he's definitely got the age man he's ten years. You got him on the clinch right now trying to clinch trying to get back to kind of Calm Down Papa Bad Abbott. Very, heavy. Heavy shots this is what I was trying to. He's land. For sure. He's landing right hands on the inside winters very composed though even trying to use a shoulder roll. Oh God times. And that's what I told my friend man I'm a friend from the UK elms he he's high on Babic I'm like. He never been ran. Oh, we just switched. It was able to let a good left hand. Damn. But winters not putting a haze of getting hit man another also allow he said it's over it's all be seen on the roads y'all. I did I tell you Babic put in my parlay I told you I said my UK dudes he might do it I told you Oh God Parliament He. Hit him again. Oh Babic showing. He's the good is going savage on. The. Do it quicker Parker did in less fights okay. Barbecue you making a statement you. Oh, another right hand is over winter's angle. He Ain't GonNa make a twenty three seconds left Babbit getting wide-mouth getting open. Let's see into survive shoot that one to us. and. Now he's being relentless. Guess too. Damn. That's going to be able to whether it's. Going to get knocked out, he's not ill got his hands up wall. Slipping around aside OCA- Jeb Bush on but that's not enough. That's not enough. Oh, he made whether whether the storms he made it out the relevant. If you're watching this on youtube, you already know what you got to do is hit that dumbs buying a house with the visibility to show helps us grow and we're trying to get some subscriptions right now we're at one, hundred, fifteen, thousand, five, hundred, sixty, six, it can only going to take you guys to hit that subscription buying to get us to the hundred and fifteen thousand six, hundred today right now let's do it. Refreshing we gotTA. Fifteen thousand five, hundred seventy, which means we need thirty more soldiers to join the family we in the corner they've shown us to replay and winces, wow, is opened up like Curtis Stevens after he got left folk. All dining that level that level put him to sleep the ropes kept them up, hit him with two. He hit him to the body and the he hit him with another level. He used them in the arm. Let's go babic. Let's go babic. Back to where we left off in. First, round Babic with the Hail Mary Punches Right now. Choice to. Winters look looking. So the best thing I went to fly gloves like them gloves he's looking old man tired O O. Oh big left hook batting. I wonder how much power he got winters taking these well, he looks like he's heavy handyman does because sometimes winters is go to back his head, but he backed get off these ropes man he can't single less second round. He'd take these type of shots. Yeah. You definitely can't be in good insight right hand by bad actually just wonder is babic tyrant. Is He is he too much? To See. We're yet to see he hasn't gone too many rounds in the pro ranks. So if he gets past four, we're going to be seeing some new definitely. But he's just throwing bombs. Winning man. Lucky spun eight through a shot. Winters can make it pass. Four because it just looks like Babic he into much talk on those left and right hands and if he does look, he just missed the left again if he lands that come on man winters is going night night any of those bombs lance for sure like I like the savage has no stomach man he's. He's too wild and he had a slow actually he is. He is. But he he? He's at an excitement tonight without a doubt. He's not using any type job though all left hook and back right hooks. Yeah. He's. He's literally just China right followed by left knocking winters from one to the other. Winters. Man I mean he just he he can't move its legs alike somme. He's in front of this guy, and he can't be in front of this Guy Damn. Always. Over the too many refugees, the jumping usually I said the UK Rep Stop Shit too early at say he's done. Janney. Not. Up Because, they called it a slip. This is not a knockdown, but but ref needs to stop this doesn't make sense. He's just getting shots Babic is gonNA point some southbound. Another Sober come on. It's over man don't don't do this. No more. Let's say let's go. Let's get an excellent. He's done. He's always. Always always over. The Bell Rang with the hell, what's going on it's over, it's alright is over A. He's helping me and I'm impress man. I thought would go more rounds. You know former world champion and Joseph Parker did it like seven shutouts Babic? Man Shot Out baddeck. Goodwin. Listen catch us on the next one is next. Next fight up GonNa be. Luther Klay. Versus Chris Congo. That's coach. He's boy future Crawford opponents possibly for the winter. I said, winter, thinking Shonda, winters, I'm winner. So catch us on the next one s GTO instagram and twitter no need for results as we know that Babic got the big time stoppage, but you can catch us on the next one and if you're catching this in the future president pass hit the thumbs up and share the show. It helps with the visibility plus we're going live all night long on that. Train US join US right here, patron dot com forward slash the bikes. Remember we need another thirty get to one hundred, fifteen thousand six, hundred shoutout to daily and whites heavyweight protege Allen Babic making a statement knocking out some winters into third round to bring him to four no four Cao's doing it quicker than former world champion Joseph pocket. That's a statement dooming. That's a statement. That's staement I mean look the guy was ten years younger. He was stronger bigger fighter but I'm still gonNA give them credit because he took him out in the amount of time. He did he didn't go into the play with his food and he lived up to the name the savage. So Yeah. Catch on an exclamation Yosemite Know Luther Clay Chris Congo you know mid he put us on Chris Congo, and you know what? I'm saying a guy who started out as the underdog then became the favourite. The influence Israel Damn Qasr said Allen bomb big come on. That was a good fight but you're a tough crowd? No, no, no. No I'm not totally. Causing a chat then aren't. I'm agreeing with them not totally impressed I. That was sloppy work. He just he just he has enough savagery in them. To be able to finish guy like. Also is like dat you ain't got no love for. S. Not even one supercell for the first fight. I Yeah. We out catches on next man peace.
Ep 96. Find Another Oldie
"It's crazy and Noel. They're gonna make you LOL On Any Day Fiance trash. Hello and welcome to 90 Day Fiance trash talk. This is episode. Ninety-six. That was good right now. I love that. Yeah, it was good. It was like I kept everyone in suspense. I was in suspense. I was waiting. I'm your host comedian Tracey carnazzo joined by my co-host know well Winters Herzog. I thought I was waiting for a little paws. Noel Winters Herzog. I should have done it. I should have kept it up. We're here to talk about the other Way season 2 episode 1000. No, it's 21, but it feels like 1,000 it feels like you know, there's more after this. Okay, but I feel okay. What I'm thinking is next week is going to be the finale because like they I think they rat has to him and made him to up this week. Yeah, they around hope so I hope there's nothing more know I can't take it anymore. Its just him in his house in America just crying and telling his neighbors that he cheated on me Lisa and playing with the cat the whole time. Okay, I will say this though. Yeah, they made it like the cat was going to be a very big part of the story when we first met him and then we never saw the cat again. They made it like he was touched dead. Yeah a little bit like I thought I was going to be like like cult cat. Yes. That's how they made it. But the I've only seen the cat that time and then in this episode that was it also when she went to go pick up from the airport and she had to bring twenty dogs. Okay. I was thinking about that this episode 2 we are like they drank so many limearitas without the dogs. Do you think that's why Aunt Carmen came to babysit the dogs and the cat but probably she was she was definitely the sitter while they had their Library. She was the ringmaster of the circus Club. Yes. Well, let's start off by telling you that you should go to patreon.com Trash Talk podcast And subscribe to our Patriot and I'm going to tell you why why because we have over two hundred bonus episodes of me Tracy and Noel. We have a podcast called b s where we, you know, get get it. We be us off. Yeah, then we have a podcast called unexpected trash-talk unexpected on TLC. You're familiar back. We also covered 90 Day Fiance self quarantined. That was fun. That was fun. I enjoyed that. Yeah, and I have one more thing to tell you guys. Oh, what both of our live podcast from Zoom about Darcy and Stacy are for sale $13. You could venmo me at Tracey carnazzo with your email address and you will get access. They're $13 each. The first one is Darcy and Stacy episodes 1 through 7. And then the second one is eight nine and ten and this is not just a podcast. This is also a video and there was a live Q&A from the audience. That was so much fun. I can't wait for that show to come back in her class play. I was yesterday thinking about I'm like what's going on with dog? See Okay. So yesterday I watched Stacy's Instagram story and it was mariah-carey-all-i-want-for-christmas-is-you and it's her white Christmas tree her white carpet and she's in a white bodysuit and she's just shaking in the hotel. Okay. I don't know where this is, maybe her and flooring got another place. I don't know they went back to the salon. Yes. Okay, Very Selanne. Maybe that's what was their all they're allowed to go back into this long since the restrictions were lifted, but they're not allowed to do blow dries their knowledge apologize, but they're the floor was covered in rose petals. It was definitely this one. Okay, so let's start off this episode by talking about Jenny and said it so we submit submit to me. So we pick up where we we ended last week Jenny crying about being old. I was so tired of the sobbing of hers wage. I've had enough. So his brother looks at Jenny and goes love is not everything. And the sister-in-law says listen, just tell your parents about the engagement cuz you're going to be like you're going to be dead meat either way, but you're going to be dead or meet. If you do this behind their back. Yeah, right. So you said well just be honest with them. Okay, and here's the other thing. Apparently Jenny wasn't supposed to invite them. I know but that's that's the thing is she's like, oh, I didn't know I felt like I realized I did something wrong. Like I don't know because to me it doesn't he doesn't communicate with her. He doesn't communicate with anybody though. He talks in riddles. So the the brother has been a rat them out. Yeah, you know, I don't blame him number one like I would just go home and be like somebody's getting married figure it out. Yeah, you know I drank can you rap me out so I don't have to tell them also. Can you actually think of another name? That doesn't rhyme? Can I have a different name? His name is what is it a me a minute, So it's submit permit. And what's the do you think they have another brother? Yeah hermit. Yes, so it's submit home admit and hermit. I like it. Yeah really goes that works. Yeah, but what's the nickname? Everybody's just admit I was thinking about this all night song sounds like a disease like oh God. I have myths. Oh I'm coming down with the Mets. I can't remember. I have mitts. I got to go to the drugstore and get the medicine submit creams. Oh my God. I hate it began myths. I thought I knew him and now I have myths. Does good right? I was funny. All right. So now surprise surprise submit wants to postpone the ring ceremony and talk to his parents face-to-face. I've heard this before but that's what I mean like, so I guess this time is different cuz he wants Jenny to be there. Right, right, like you know, like what's new nothing is know they're going to say no. This is the second time. He's called off the wedding. Right? Right, and she's like, okay, but are we gonna post pone it and he says he or she says If we're still alive, I think he said that right and he said that yeah now does he mean they're going to die of covin? I don't know. I mean it's really hard to wash your hair on a hot plate. Jenny is making here for his mom. This is rice pudding. That's what I wanted to know. What is cure. I didn't know rice pudding and it's very good for his diabetes. Okay, right. So she's like let me know if it's too sweet and I'm like you want to kill him right now trying to kill him that she meant by Arby's. Okay. Now, he's mopping with the dirtiest mouth I've ever seen in my life. I fainted when I saw that mob it looks like he mopped like the garden outside with it. It looks like he's actually trying to make the floors dirtier. It looks like it looks like he took them up put it in stock and its trying to spread it all over the floor and looks like he's trying to plant in the living room. Yeah speaking of plants. Okay. Did you notice that on the refrigerator? There was two lips painted on the refrigerator. I'm sure that was there when they got there. No, right. So their refrigerators in the living room is this little alcove and their tulips painted on it and I was just like this is very interesting. But here's the thing. They're still like the manufacturer stickers, you know where it's like energy saver $20 a month. They were still on there and it's like they bought a flowered refrigerator. Very interesting. Wow. Yeah was maybe it's cuz they're deadlocked. Maybe maybe it's a maybe they had a trade for it. That's all they had at the market. Okay, so his parents arrived and his mother's outside and this is a quote. We don't like her we're here to take him home. So she said she goes I won't let him stay with her anymore. I will take him back. Yeah. No, you won't there mean his mother is she's a Rottweiler that one use as mean as the day is long. Yeah you so mean she comes in and Jenny's mom. Jenny tells the mom that she looks beautiful. Okay? Okay. Well, that was also your best friend so dead. Yeah, also your older than her that's crazy. It's been eight years since since she spoke to them. What is going on now someone posted in a different group not an hour group. They posted this graphic with the timeline of Jenny and submits relationship. Okay, and he was like twenty two when they started talking you listen, there's something like a little to me like predatory about this. Okay, because you know what remember how they met he was catfishing her on Facebook, right? And he was like Michael Jones was you forget about where it all started. That's right. He was like some English guy named Michael Jones and he was using a fake picture and she fell in love with him. And then he admitted who he was and she still pursued the relationship like there's something really wrong. Well, there's something really I think he has a whatever lacking something in his relationship with his mother and kind of fills that void. Yup. Well his mom came to take him home. He is drenched. It looks like she sprayed him with the garden hose on the couch. Like maybe he's got confused by all the dirt on the floor and she thought it was the garden. She was watering the soil. She was watering the soil and she got him. So he shirt is transparent. He's in a wet t-shirt contest in the living room Garden. So he's asking for permission again, and they're like, yeah, no. No, it's not too bad ass. Begging mom is like screaming at him and his dad asked him but no one's translating to Jenny, right? So she's sitting there thinking like, yeah, they agree with our love. You know, she doesn't know what the hell's happening and then his mom says and this is a quote over our dead bodies. Yeah, this is a this is intense. All of this was like it was upsetting to me. It was upsetting but also on the other side if we're looking at it, you know from the mean cold-hearted people we are home. Yeah, it was a ton of good good lines in this one. Yeah. I mean like the father I wrote some I wrote some down. Okay, so they said that if he gets married to her way, they're going to be dead to him. Right? Right, like they can't talk to okay, right. So then his mom says find the one hundred year old and then his dad said find another oldie. And that goes in this all you could find. Well, this is I got this is this how could find and then he goes look harder when you say I promise you you'll find someone else better. If you look just look harder. Oh, so now his mom is yelling and pointing. Yeah face. Yeah calling and Jhene leave him alone. And then she says to him. Are you ready for this one? Yeah, you're becoming old because she's old though. This all made me somewhat too on Jenny's like what do you want me to say back? I don't know what they're saying. I don't know what they're saying begging on his knees screaming and crying hug yards and Jenny wants to go home. She's like I need to go home cuz I can't break up this family, but maybe you should have thought about this before. Okay, but you he got divorced his 20 grand for him to get divorced like stop. Yeah. It's like dead. You have to know what is it? You have to know when to Hold'em no fault. Yeah, it's it's over. I want to tell you when she should have folded when she found out he was married. Okay, I think that when she found out he was catfishing her but you know, what like well, yeah sort of the doubt. Okay, I think that when his parents caught her being prompt us with him in the Attic in his house when she was fifty and he was twenty and she made best friends with his mother. Yes. Can you imagine no no you have a son. Add a lady older than me takes his virginity in my attic. No, I can't imagine that I can't imagine that at all. So real quick. I watched a documentary on this family in India and the daughter was like fourteen years old and she was having an inappropriate relationship with like the house manager. It was a man and they think the birth parents killed them both. They were like slaughtered in the Attic. Nobody knows it's like unsolved and it was like I watched the whole documentary the parents went to jail this that and this is what this reminds me of its like the crazy. Where did you see this on HBO? Oh, I can't wait to watch I'll send you the name of it. Oh man. Well, let me tell you something Jenny and Samir going to have a lot of relationship problems. And I think the better help online counseling will be absolutely perfect for them because it is worldwide. There are licensed professional counselors who are specialized in depression stress anxiety relationships Pham. Conflicts anything you share is confidential. It's convenient. It's professional. It's affordable. In fact, so many people have been using better help that they are recruiting additional counselors in all 50 states and as a listener, you'll get 10% off your first month by visiting betterhelp.com fiance join over 1 million people taking charge of their mental health again. That's better her help help good girly. Yeah. All right. Yeah of speaking of mental help. Yes and speaking of murder. Yes, Brittany that Britney is on. Yes. Okay. So now Angela and Britney are at a restaurant waiting for you is on and the translator is coming and the translator is Adam and he looks like he owns a diner in Queens. Okay, right. He looks like like my Greek uncle, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. He looks like I mean when it honestly can I be towed off? Yeah, when I look at him, I want chicken slovaki. I mean when I look at a lot of things I want chickens and lucky it turns out when he's got a British accent, right? Okay. So then I'm like all the way confused. I know it's so weird cuz it's like that's not what I thought it was going to be like, okay, let's go. Let's go. Let's start translating. Okay. That's who he is. You know what though? I got such good vibes from him. Like I liked him. He's very calm and he also is the first translator that actually translates everything right? Like he wasn't like making up things like they were saying I remember when Angela and Michael got the translator, right? Angela was like tell her this telephone is telling the tellers and then she would like look at Michael's mom and be like Angela said she's happy right? Like tell her one thing right? It's like know all of the things now dead. I really like this guy alot. Can you think it's a good idea to get him to know it's a great idea if I was a translator you would tell me all the stuff and I'd be like, wait a minute what you say again, you know, you would be like, all right. So this is what she said, but I'm going to tell them what I think that's what you would do would be like, all right. She says that she's going to convert but like come on people this right off full of it right like that. That's exactly what you would do to you would I would insert your opinion into it one hundred percent and then all of a sudden I'd be the counselor you'd be working for better off I should so he said that he will tell his parents that he's going to marry her and she's going to remain Christian and she said that she still wants more time and he said that his sacrifices did not pay off. Here's the thing. I know that marriage and converting all this is a really big deal. But how much time do you think you're going to buy in this situation? Right? But also they don't like each other. She 100% doesn't like him. He's like, okay, but when they're together, they're not like there's not one thing that I could say like, oh, that was nice. I think he I'm telling you I think he's off Spellbound by her, but that's because in my opinion, I think he's a virgin. I don't think he's been with a woman. I think that he sees her she's gorgeous. She got this ash got these boobs this this is all going to be my home like enamored by her, right but I don't think she I think she likes his attention, but that's it. I don't think she's interested. Well, she said that she doesn't trust him and she wants to talk to his family. And now Angela is going off Angela's like Hey, listen, good luck with that. I try to go back cuz you're a psychopath. I have a twenty four hour flight ahead of me. Seriously. So she's meeting with his brother. Oh by De way. And Angela's like listen, that girl is in a situation. I mean, she's not wrong Britney puts on her button-down bedazzled Court shirt. Okay. So she puts on office is right. She puts out these like linen pants. Like what is this? What are those means? I have dresses like my grandmother. She I've never seen more of flattering clothing on a person. Okay, so that's the thing. You see this girl and she would talk about she was a sugar baby and got her like a kept woman and it's like race is what you wear as a sugar baby. If you are you sure baby and you wore that shirt with those pants. I would take my money back, right? The thing is too she has like just the front tucked in like you're at a zoom meeting. You only tuck in the front of your shirt off. The rest is just flowing in the back. Okay, so she meets with the translator and brother at another high point on a cliff. Why are all conversations on TLC in general? By the water add a bridge or on a high cliff. Do you remember when Andre took Elizabeth to the roof to tell her that she better keep her mouth shut. Yes. Yes the murder roof. Yes. Yeah. So now they're on a cliff right and oh the brothers so happy she's there and she says that she loves his on but doesn't feel comfortable marrying him unless they approve and I'm like, well, that's your card. That's going to be your Angle now, right? Yeah, but that was kind of like smart though. That was super smart. So his family is afraid he's going to like kind of convert to her ways, right because she's a foreigner and she doesn't really know about their culture or anything. Right? So the people in his family hate him and they want to kill him because he shaming the family and then she cries. Okay. First of all, she fake cries. Well, okay, you know, she fake cries cuz she covered her whole game. Ace that's what I do when I fake cry too. Yeah, me too and then I'm peeking out to see if anybody's believing me. Same yeah, but the thing is I think though she had to like after a while start like poking her eyes are blowing air into them cuz he wipes away her tears. She had like make herself Chrome puppies dead puppies. Let me tell you he asked her why she's crying and tells you to stop and he Comforts her and he said that he's super loyal to his brother and he wants to show her what he's losing those she wants her to know that like his on his losing everything. So she asked what she could do. She's like can I convert and this is what he basically says, he's like wage earners your full of it, right? So that's not going to do anything right? Because you don't mean in genuinely, right? He said it's too late and now he said and well played Britney. He knows that she's telling the truth cuz she's crying. I know and you know what he warmed up to her way like a lot like do I get to sleep with her right now? I see what he's on likes about her. Right? So he's like listen if you're going to be with my brother. Okay, you have to be his mom. And then you also have to be his dad. But you also have to be a sister and his brother and if the day that you're his sister your my wife that's a family tree that reminds me of like that George Michael song. I will be father. Yes, that is what's happening. So he's like, you know, you're going to be married to him. So now you're his cousin, right? Well, that's what they do there. Right literally, right? So your kids you guys child yours brother his mother right? You're so in certain cases the dog, there's going to be a caller. Oh, well there is but she likes a good bedazzled College. I got speaking of dogs. Let's talk about re and Venom. Okay. So her mom is leaving her dad already left. They came for like two days. Did her dad. Come overnight. Yes overnight shipped him. Yes. He's looking to get a get back in the cargo. I love him. I wish they would have shown more of him. Actually. He they couldn't have shown more. He wasn't there before our surgery to get back to oh my God, so I thought it was cute her mom and Venom say I love you when they leave. Yeah, but the thing is like I know he's like, I love you Mom. And I think that you know, he has no parental figures maybe it feels something for him. Absolutely. So now they talk privately Aryan her mom and her mom said that she doesn't want the baby to grow up there and they talk about the baptism and she said that she's doing it for baby which baby baby benim or baby birth. EBay, why are you still calling your man? You're grown up man, baby, but like as his name not just like not like as a pet name right off. Like could you imagine like, what do you call Matt? Well, I call him Mateo like I'm like honey, sweet babe, I guess. Okay. Can you imagine if you introduced Matt to someone who was like this huge babe? Right? That's what I think my mom. I will say this though. Can I tell you the truth? Yeah, my friend Kevin in real life. Yeah Halls his girlfriend babe and like wage reduces her as babe like as a joke. So now all his friends call her like I call her baby. Oh, that's funny. That's cute. I like that like with him yesterday and I was like, oh was Babe there and he's like, yeah babes. I was a kid. I said hi or less when I see them in your life like bye babe. That's so cute. I love that so she's Bibby. Okay so long Her mom is like listen, look me in the face blink twice if you need to come home immediately, right but she you know, I expected Ariella to be like, yeah, I don't like to stay but she was like no this is what I'm up there. Yep. Okay. So now this unfolds the baby's baptism is at 6:30 a.m. And I got until you suck. If it was me, and I was in a situation like where I really didn't want to get the baby baptized. I wasn't into this religion blah blah blah. I would have been like listen to me a favor off in the morning. You take them to get baptized. I'm going to be here. You're so funny. I know you would know you actually really would I be like wake me up when you guys get home from baptizing. That's the thing. Why does she even have to be there a well? I love her braids. Yeah, her braids is so cute. I don't have the hair for that. It's so cute. Oh, so he said that he's really afraid that she's going to run away cuz she ran away from the circumcision. It's a difficult day for her because she's Jewish. That's how they make it. But I think it's more that she just makes it like everything's difficult for her. Okay, but I gotta tell you I Jewish too if my kids baptism was at 6:30 a.m. I guess you could give me like wall isn't that weird? Cuz I'm Jewish JC's not an early riser. I feel like well, I guess the kids not going to be baptized. I guess the kid is just Jewish now wage. What a shame is everyone in the front. So I guess it's like a few baby's baptism. But all of ya are wrapped in a fleece blanket like a cartoon blanket. Yeah. I like it though. I like it. All right. So let me describe the church. Okay do it. Let's hear there's lots of shower curtains just right in the background. There was a square of shower curtain. Yes. Okay. So now He gets his baptismal name, right? They don't pick it the priest picks it but I feel like this is a job for Tracy to pick. No that's not a job at all for you. That's a bad job for you. I want that job. No, I don't want that job. I want a don't hire her. I want to be an Ethiopian Orthodox priest just for this part off. It'd be like cats. No man. He's like to be be Solis. I'm like that is a noise that you made me he's just made noises. He just clicked your tongue a few times. Oh my God. So now they undressed the baby and the baby has like a I don't know if you guys know what like a monk is wrong. Well, he had like a like a Friars haircut. Okay. I thought he just had a skin fade know. Yeah, like like they gave this kid a fade for him. Looks like I gotta tell you something. It looks like one of my friends from grade school. He had a haircut like that and it looks like his dad gave David his haircut. Yeah, it's very bad. And I hope that that's not natural hair cuz that's going to be a problem growing up. So they they dip them in the water and you know, whatever. This is like baptism stuff then they put the oil. Yeah. All right. Okay. So now is the fun part that she brings the baby out and I guess they have like an outdoor tent party and they clap and dance for the baby and then they literally make a baby burrito. I love it. I was starving watching this. I like this looks like the biggest crepe I've ever seen. It was a crepe. Yeah, yum yum. I love crate and they make noises that way. I'm going to explain the noise. Yeah do it. Okay when people make fun of tribal people. Okay? Yeah. Yeah make these noises. It's like you put your hands down. Over your mouth. Yeah to do it. Okay. Now I'm not you know, I'm not doing it in a bad way. I'm just doing it as what they did. Okay, like I feel like like almost when they did it. I was like, oh no, you guys supposed to do that. I think I honestly I guess it's just part of their what they do for I guess it's like yeah. All right, so it's supposed to bring the baby. Good luck, right? Okay, they pretend wrapped the baby in the burrito Ariella cannot she like how do you not know where the meat goes in a burrito? She's like do I sit him up there like dog stands on his head City breakdance on here. Like what does he do? Did you have you ever had a burrito know she's definitely never had a burn Peter. Yeah. Have you ever tell them? He's the banana? Yeah. Just I mean, you know what? I mean? Yeah. All right. Yeah, so they pretend wrap them and then they eat the bread right? It was so cute. It was very cute. I liked it seemed his sister says there's a quote she behaved good today. She really good today cuz they weren't expecting it because you know, she's she's intense Ariella. She's a wild young woman. So speaking of the wildest woman, let's talk about Devon and June Devon Devon and Jones Junie. Okay, so she claims that the house was clean yesterday. Okay, I don't think so cuz he was pouring out sludge out of a cup into the sink. She's like, oh God, the house was clean yesterday. And now it looks like it has all season and every place that I lived ever in the history of you guys film with me. I can't believe it's still looks like that. Yeah, totally clean yesterday. It was so clean. Okay, so her family is coming and she needs him to clean because she doesn't want her family to think that they are gross pigs. Well, they are I mean they are you guys are just pigs though. Dracula is holding the puppy like Elmira from Animaniacs. Yes, that probably took about the other day. Yeah. I don't remember why maybe you sent me a picture of an animal. I don't remember what it was like squeezing the puppies eyes out. Yes. Okay. So now dead in is wearing. This is her outfit. She has on booty shorts and a sweater. She does the sweater short combo a lot. Okay, but are you hot or cold? Well, I don't know she does. A lot this very weird. Also, she's like, oh good. The house is clean now. Yeah, it's so gross even the clean houses and gross. She thinks that that's clean. I know it probably it looks mustard. I don't know. All right. So her parents come and June is like listen tomorrow we're going to do this ham box wage. I'm just laughing as the whole thing would say the father's like, okay, so we're going to give you debit and you're going to give us a box of ham and he's like no no no, no. No, it's very funny. All right. So m m is a traditional Korean ceremony where you change all of these symbolic things for the bride, right? I would say I think it's fun. It's cool. All right off her dad. Yeah. He looks like he's a children's musical choir director. I was going to say he looks like a mr. Potato Head. That's way over like he uses Just For Men wage. Yeah, he does use just for Oh, that's funny. Okay, so then she comes in and says box for sale, but he's like walking up the stairs box for sale box myself. Very funny. I'm like, oh I used to play with this guy when I was a little kid and then they have squid masks on made of real squids to get the evil out and it's like You did that last time and she ran in the street. Okay, the thing is the real squid that freaked me out. Yeah, but they need to get the evil out and then she ran into the street right. She's the evil. Okay, her dad. Yeah has a side bang. Yeah, he does. He's got like an Ocean Spray swirl in the front page and then so she has to hide and they have to find her so she has to hide I guess she okay. So he walks and he smashed so they've had a gourd but he smashed a gourd plate when he walked in. I don't even know what that is. Right and she has to hide and I guess that's his prize like he finds he wins and then he eats The sqaud Masks. He's like, it's very good. Do you want some no, but he's fine. He's two days until the wedding and then you see a b roll of Kebabs. Listen, I didn't even know kabobs was the thing, but I'm here for it. All right. So then you see the puppy then she gets her David's Bridal dress out. That she bought with her dad. Okay, but here's the thing, right you take the sleeves off and that's why that's my wedding dress. Oh, I love it. Yeah, I love this wedding dress with that. But that's that I own that wedding. Just that's what I wore to my wedding. Oh, it's the same. Yeah, it's I love it. That's why because the whole bottom is pink. She has the iridescent pedal on it. Like I'm looking at this and I'm like, I never saw it with sleeves. I gotta tell you I'm looking at the stress and I'm like, this is stunning. Like I can't believe she picked this out me either cuz I do I would never Peg took her to be that but the only difference was mine tied in the back and you like you did that bow. Yeah. Yeah. Well speaking of pegging her dad in her boss together. And her mom hasn't seen it. And this explains the side bang a little bit more now tell me well, she's super nervous about the wedding tomorrow. I hate to tell you this. Yeah, not only did you get married in court. You hired a wedding ceremony in Korea. Yeah, and also tomorrow isn't even like a wedding. It's factory wedding. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a picture. That's all it is. Yeah. So her mom was sad that she couldn't be there for her when she had lost the baby and then she asked her mom if she supports marriage. Okay guys already married you got married twice. This is your third time getting married to the same man you in like a few months. You guys are married. You have a whole child. Together, you know, like you guys are all the way married you have a puppy you have a dirty house your house together. You're you're married. It looks like to me came over with his dirt mop. He'll girls always grow. Okay. Yeah have we said this before on this podcast? She looks like Shelley Duvall. Okay, we have not said that but she is think of The Shining. Yep. That's her. That's her. Yep. That's so good Tracy. Now, I sort of see that that's really good. Thanks so much. Okay. Good. I feel like we're the end now it's like oh good job that would show that was really that was good. I have to tell you it's very good. Let's talk about I don't want to talk about wage. All right, let's let's get it over with. All right, Tim and melee is he's running out of money and his job in the US won't hold it anymore. Yeah, cuz you know, why why I took vacation home. Okay, that's what I was wondering. Did he do like a leave of absence? Yes. Yeah. He was like Kenai for this TV show right take off for a month and they were like, yeah, he's a month and then come back. I wonder what he like. What does he do? I don't remember. I wonder what he does. Computer stuff. That's what I thought. I thought he was like a tech guy or something. Yeah listed. He seems very smart. Remember, he's learned a bit of the language know I'm just wondering like he can he do it remotely like in Columbia or something. That's all ya know. He could probably find a job to do like that, but I don't think he wants to be here something so tell you yeah, Oh, he's not terrible. He's not they're just boring. They're boring. I mean he cheated on her that wasn't right. But like other than that, he's a pretty nice guy with the thing is to like he loves her like you can see it. He made a mistake, but you know what? He's a man. He's disgusting. They're all disgusting even the good ones aren't great. But what he does is he takes her to a high place? Yes. Yes. He did. I can't wait until someone just throws someone off of a cliff cuz that's what's going to happen. That is definitely what's going to happen. He has to go back in a couple of weeks and he already bought his ticket without telling her. Yeah. She said it's not what she expected and he's like listen for us what's best is that I keep working and I'll come back as soon as I can get a job there. Okay, but why isn't he just get a job now? How would that the last time you were right cuz was not what you were supposed to do this time. What is she want though? Because they both don't trust each other. Well now though I feel like now that he she knows he's leaving now. She's singing a different tune. I was ready to work things out. We were a good place. She says she wants us to work out so bad. Well guess what? You didn't feel that way when you had him confessed to your whole family, you know, you wanted to humiliate him. So then they kiss and then they both turn around and say yuck. Right then they both barf so he's he's moving back home. But is she moving out of that apartment? Yes. Yes. That's what I wanted to talk to you about. I don't think it's hers Mom. Okay. So this is what I'm going to tell you. Yeah. If you thought that you lived there, how would you just move right? I don't I don't understand. So I'm going to explain it to you. Okay, this is what the way they he came from month. Right and they got an Airbnb the cuz she lives with her parents. Yeah, that's it. That's the whole story while also this is how I knew this because when they were leaving and they were filling the car up there were no dogs and they were filling with her stuff and his stuff. This is what I'm yeah. He said that he can't fit all the pictures and frames in his bag meaning. I don't want these. Yeah. No, thank you know also, he never quit his job right off. He says oh this might be the last time I ever seen her, but that's what I is. He just breaking up with her slowly Noel he told her five minutes ago that he's going down. Moving and the same day. He's getting on the plane. Yeah, I would flip my lid if I was her. Okay, so they're both crying. He's in the hill me back and then he said that he wants to marry her and then she cries now, I gotta tell you may definitely had to pull her life is on that one. Did that crying did not come easy to her. Either that or it was true crying about thinking about marrying him. I was going to say I think she got upset like oh God, you would have Mary Jo not like not like all the. How know you know what though? This is the most emotion. I think we've ever seen from her to yeah, they definitely did something bad to her before this. They told me grandma. Angela was dead. They were like, all right, Molly's that we're going to film today your whole family died in a fire. Let's go. Come on. Let's go get those tears ready girl home where torture you actually your mother didn't die. We're going to be torturing her and you're going to watch. Okay? Okay, Tim. Tell her that you're going to marry her. Melissa is a look at the window. Look over there. You see that your mom to take her toenails off. Look I'm telling you. This is not real. No, this is not real. You're right. I didn't even think about that, right they are leaving they leave together. So this was planned. He's like by the way, I bought a plane ticket and I'm moving and she's like, oh, I guess I got to move right now to he's like, yeah, well hurry up because I have to get to the airport how funny I didn't even think about that. Yeah true story. All right guys, so there is more next week. I can't believe it took. No literally, I can't believe it. Make sure you're joining patreon and make sure you're coming over to the group. If you want to talk about the podcast or the show 90 Day Fiance Trash Talk podcast on Facebook page have the best time in there. 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StanChartpay row, Citigroup on Brexit and Facebook's Libra
"This Financial Times podcast is supported by capital one capital one is re imagining banking by offering accounts with no fees are minimums that can be opened from anywhere in five minutes capital one what's in your wallet capital one a in addition to that it's very hard for them to meet their return on equity targets in an environment of negative interest rates brexit slowing economies and a general store home the now former chief executive John Flint he took his pension down voluntarily to ten percent of his base salary and I think all BS with the appointment the base salary in pension but Mr winters was actually getting as much as forty meaning that under the guidelines his pension should be reduced quite considerably to somewhere around odds city groups confidence in the city of London regardless of the outcome of Brexit and gathering clouds for facebook much height- digital currency libra I up to that story on Standard Chartered which has spent much of this year locked in a fight with this investors over the nearly six million pound pay package indeed. CEO's of footsie one hundred companies tend to receive so usually undergo guidelines executives to get no more than ten percent of that the European banking correspondent and Lord Newnan a US banking editor guest this week is David Livingston Chief Executive City Group in Europe the Middle East winters chairman his boss Jose Vignelles has attempted to take charge of the scandal has been out meeting the bank's biggest investors trying to work out how he can get I had a scoop this week on plans by Mr Winters to accept a voluntary pay cut to try to head off this shareholder round what's the latest well the latest is Mr the American Co Fulmer J. P. Morgan executive is going to have to back down and can see to investors demands about extra discretionary pay he's been given and love Alison Rose is going to be down at Timpson to what about the other two big UK banks then we have Lloyds and Barclays both above that ten percent intends to award to Chief Executive Bill winters this year Stephen Morris a European banking correspondent is here to discuss the latest so stephen back inside off to forty percent of them voted against Serb stained from the bank's remuneration policy at its latest annual report Mr Winters deepened two hundred twenty thousand pounds from its current almost five hundred thousand that's a considerable pay cut for a European Bank CEO Because you'll remember and Africa this week will be discussing pay-cut at Standard Chartered as its chief executive bill winters attempts to close down a damaging row with his pension. Choson attracts wider meteoroid attention than just financial press it's hard to see how these awards can be justified when they go against guidelines we do expect some movement with Antonio suit me Mr winters resisted it and I think probably the strongest terms possible and he's had a very chastening experience off towards when Banca pay has been in so much their incentive pay isn't quite coming through where they would have expected to be when they took these jobs three to four years ago because the share prices of most banks have fallen drastically since then onto brexit as Boris Johnson braces to try to keep his pledge to take Britain outside the EU by October thirty first many in the so part of his pension which essentially being transformed into cash for him weren't really a pension at all tell us a little bit more about these pension allowances that some banks showed after Mr winters takes this pay cut which we expect to be announced in the next few months will they have to follow suit the pressure on the movie intense to follow Toria Lloyd's and Jess Daily obviously at Barclays as well but they have said remarkably little in public competitive standard chartered so really the media focuses on the emerging market focus bank at the moment believe we'll see movement and other areas were watch this space okay next up substantially and other locations such as Dublin Frankfurt and especially Paris which is proving to be one of the more popular alternate destinations for especially international bankers the decline in the investment banking side of the industry now already be see it was the first bank to basically bow to this shell the pressure and the fall tell us more that's right David Livingston who is the new EMEA CEO City Group an Australian man he just came in about eight or nine months ago when we sat down for an interview and we printed a story he was very bullish on the future of London as a financial centre city group has always had its European headquarters here but it has been building up quite the scandal when he called some of his shareholders immature and unhelpful when they criticize his four hundred seventy four thousand pension allowance and it now appears that the he might have to leave London however despite the chaos going on in politics at the moment Mister Livingstone was very adamant that London was going to remain the region's financial sense turn he laid out constellation of advantages that the city is built up over time so firstly we spoke about the implications on city for Brexit on what banker some of the politics associated with this the ECB an e you once control of financial services especially financial services contrite floods differently investment place differently but the financing of European culprits who may have either reduced access or reduced episode subsidiaries setup subsidiaries by international banks who will have to bulk up over time so we'll see how that pans out but I suppose we are focused continent partially for financial stability reasons but also wall must imagine for the benefits such as extra taxation and business that come with it I think there's no doubt that organisms in terms of professional services law insurance media all these other things which contribute to what makes it vibrant financial capital access the London markets which represented the deep capital markets in this region. How might that shift the burden onto the euro domiciled entities in London Miss Livingston then went on to address some of the criticisms of city that have been emerging from investors in recent years cities chief fit that it will lose its status as Europe's preeminent financial center but Stephen you've been talking to one large US bank that says that's not the case related to the euro and after the UK leaves euro-zone it wants a lot of that activity trading clearing financing to be essentially repatriated to the gently but once again Mr Livingston was less pessimistic than others talking about the attractiveness of Europe as a place for Investment Bank operations for we throw remains a major strategic advantage for the lender that set it apart from some more focused investment banks I think there's some components as that which maybe they would be a particularly how pepsi makers regulators and underline coporate typically corporates processes act in this world there is a degree of pat you to a huge number of multinational companies solve Ren's investments that they can engage city and we can take them to ninety nine countries and territories would have to happen and he guided us through what he imagines would transfer financing which is heavily concentrated in London the moment that will migrate to European I really on the on the real economy implications says which how clients react to the nets takeoff in Europe don't forget that it's not just business within Europe and that's the UK Switzerland it's France Germany so from a delivery point of view so to me that doesn't represent lack of focus that represents a integrate networking organizations which didn't have that and I can tell you for client activity Enron strategic strength that's really there have been a lot of depressing comments about the future of Europe's economy coming out from banks re UH which is that the implication that breadth of product capability or breadth of network therefore means lack of focus. I would argue strongly against that glass half full optimist on the show and they are fine lighten this week is on Libra facebook's digital currency which was announced around the world staying within the city system within something which is therefore efficient it's safe and protected all of those things is massively valuable and and trim parts of its vast global network and product suite Mr Livingston countered this criticism and said the city's breadth geographic network laments had lagged two of his major rivals J. P. Morgan and Bank of America since the financial crisis causing some to covert to be more focused on its more profitable core businesses mid much fanfare earlier this year we're joined by Laura Newnan a US banking editor so Laura Lebron's had an eventful few weeks and you've got a story today with business comes through London and that's part of why why is that it's a unique time zone it's the rule of law institutions whose existence the huge support really confident not only was that a sensible financial decision but we were also very happy with it represented a statement of maintaining originally including US but others as well to make sure that there's a sort of a vibrant financing and funding if you go productivity in your missile Louison also addressed rarely for more bad news about facebook's much-hyped crypto project what's been going on so certainly facebook's Lieber hasn't had an easy few weeks in the last three weeks alone I love credibility it made it seem like it could be a really big mover in the payments base and not only have they lost members they have managed to unveil any new member so when use sovereignty about this euro something and making the say the euro market is located within the euro zone so we'll see how that since could make it impossible for banks to even bank facebook itself if facebook went ahead worth libra without solving all of his concerns his argument is that develops sure there'll be business which leaves London but I don't think London fundamentally changes regional financial center because it's global financial center and there's a great deal of global and London doesn't lose any so disaster playing in your mind when you made the decision to buy the tower here I would say playing in the mind but it was a case of we living plays plants in the states in Latin America in Asia Pacific that represents I think a continuing even if there is some challenges to domestic growth all the FACEBOOK's chief executive Mark Zuckerberg will appear before the US Congress on Wednesday and he will try to reassure people that they are taking these concerns seriously enough that going to work so in the event they were biking a company and that company while hypothetically developing a system which made the financial system more vulnerable to money laundering that will be an issue in the CEO was saying in case at the could be much broader ramifications for facebook itself if it were to push ahead with this leader project with ice fully solving all relations czar effectively guardians to the financial system and they can't bank companies who are undermining the safety or undermining the soundness of the financial system money and to own money and they WanNa do this coin in this coin will be stabled not like bitcoin which fluctuates loath this coin will be stable because it's backed by a range of currency with regulations and take their time on the launch the issue is some of these concerns are so fundamental to the heart of the project that it's not even about whether facebook wants to solve them it's whether they companies who have now pulled out has been around the regular he's basically people can't get comfortable this very complicated cryptocurrency which facebook had Ho for be used by the euro-zone and that's an absolutely well thank you Steven and thanks to Mr Livingston to it's always nice to have reception facebook would have wanted for Lieber I suppose we need to now ask the question is Lebron dead on arrival facebook is insisting that this thing lives on this thing will happen yes they need a bank deposit their reserve if the project were as big as facebook initially thought could be then actually the size of that reserve could be material to some economies and could affect sure and not just where we go business where investors going where corporates guiding in terms of where they see potential high returns in yield and they're not generate in the challenges come from Nikkan inches but also you got to central Europe you go to Middle East Africa and eastern preparation earns and so can these regulatory phys be overcome is there something that facebook can do to salvage this facebook say that they are going to address all of these concerns you under the bus and the depth of industries that exist here the maturity of industries the size of companies and frankly global organization willingness to substantially modify water as they're forcing to do I think that will be one of the interesting things that we might here for Mark Zuckerberg come Wednesday whether he's just going to say billion on bank and undermined people in the world that this can pass rate if scrutiny and our story today is actually the chief executive of IMG which is one of Europe's biggest buying saying that the regulatory concern lost seven of their two thousand six family members though seven members include some of the biggest names people like Mastercard Stripe Visa paypal these were the members who really gave Lee Ravin list I came I they didn't have any bank involved but they were saying that banks would ultimately work with them so far they haven't managed to reveal anything involved the key issue with banks and for the payment the first time I've really thought of it in those terms because you can kind of argue well if you get the banks involved Jewish without those players but actually walked rough hammers the I N G entrust us we will figure this is or whether he will admit you know what there are flaws and how we initially thought about this and we're going to fundamentally change our thinking on some aspects He's in a basket it's a very complex mechanism because the value of the coin Kengo opened and it also requires facebook to maintain reserve all these currencies and in order to do that so facebook has been going around talking banks Abegg but talking to banks you've talked to facebook it seems like facebook doesn't understand and Lebron doesn't understand the need to modify the besides the essential premise of labor is complicated and there's a whole range of issues so what they WanNa do is make it easier for on bind people to transfer this week's show we'll take a look at the trump administration's trade war and we'll hear from one of the architects of his policy towards China the show is exclusively for FTE's prescribers so if that's you please go to F T DOT COM forward slash Rachman reviewed and sign up for a taste of global political debates that Gideon right about thing we've launched a new podcast this month called the rotten review but we look at global affairs by the FTC chief foreign affairs commentator Gideon Rachman this Financial Times podcast is supported by and until next week goodbye boarders instantly in a way that isn't tracked you can see that will be very attractive to money laundering onto anyone else he wanted to illicitly move funds and that's the concern Mr Emma so facebook lever came out with this white paper this white paper has been shown to have money issues but what we're not hearing what the banks are not hearing from facebook is on welcome to banking weekly from the Financial Times with me David Crowe joining me in the studio today all Stephen Bankers privately say it is game over me Jamie diamond chief executive of J. P. Morgan Chase who showed say has been very skeptical on Bitcoin crypto he said last week that it was a neat idea but hammers was kind of speaking to you because he was saying they can't allow thereby to be used in any way to facilitate financial crime I think banks have had so many fines they are very angel to much you won't be able to achieve what it's like to achieve and that's the essential paradox because in order to become this global cryptocurrency Asian neighbors wary of being drawn into anything that could leave them vulnerable to being seen to allow the financial system to be used for the proceeds of crime so that certainly not the this columns Andrew remember you can keep up to date with all of the banking stories at F. T. dot com forward slash banking banking weekly was produced by title one capital one is reimagining banking by offering accounts with no fiercer minimums that can be opened from anywhere in five minutes capital one what's it wouldn't happen other bankers privately talk about it as being over and they say that not only the radio hurdles insurmountable facebook and liberal lack the skills to surmount them so oh I think certainly you gotta say at this point in the game the odds are stacked against fascinating stuff thanks Laura let's see what Mr Zuckerberg has to save himself during his fast movement of funds all over the world for the bind on the on banked that's very hard thing to do and the more of these safeguards you put in the harder it makes get into that goal testimony on the hill that's it for this week all it's left for me to do is to thank Stephen Laura and our guest from city David Livingston and to thank you too for if he comes out and says we're going to fundamentally change your thinking on some aspects that would change the tone or some of the dialogue certainly because I think the view is that not only has the leader project all of this and this is at facebook has said it will not necessarily track all of the transfers and that's a huge issue because the idea of people being able to move money across truly be a central bank almost in its own right so there's those issues than the other kind of fundamental one regular particularly concerned just the know your client and the money laundering implication it's been wetted to it's naive as I think if there was an openness to fundamentally change the project that my health in some of the religious concerns the thing is though if you because if you look at the breadth of what cities do for individual clients put client len job within a flag on a map strat yeah that it is enormous.
Stonewall with Eric Marcus
"Hello, and welcome to based on a true story the podcast that compares your favorite Hollywood movies with history. Today. We're going to learn about the two thousand fifteen? Roland emmerich movie stonewall. To help us separate fact from fiction in the movie, I'm excited to be joined by journalist founder and host of the making gay history podcast Eric Marcus. Eric has one of those remarkable careers were I could spend the next ten minutes just listing all the incredible work he's done over his career. But for our purposes today I'd like to highlight three key resources that will help you dive deeper into the true story. We're going to learn about today. The first is Eric's book called making history the struggle for gay and Lesbian Equal Rights Nineteen forty-five to. Nineteen Ninety that book won the Stonewall Book Award. In the nonfiction category nineteen ninety-three the second is a more recent book of Eric's called making gay history the half-century fight for lesbian and gay equal rights and last. But certainly, not least if you're listening to this than I, know you're a fan of podcasts. So go check out Eric's extremely popular podcast that I mentioned a moment ago called making gay history. Okay number four, we get Eric on the line. It's time set up our game to trues and ally. If you knew the show, here's how it works. I'm about to say three things. Two of them are true and that means one of them is ally. Are you ready. Okay, here they are number one. Danny winters did not throw the first brick wall. Number to the stonewall uprising was organized by the first gay rights organization in the world. Number three, the stonewall uprising led to the pride parades. We see today. Got Him. Now is you're listening to our story today. Your challenge is to find the two facts scattered somewhere throughout the episode, and then by a simple process of elimination, you'll be able to find out which one is lie, and of course, we'll do a recap at the end of the episode to see how well you did. All right. Now, it's time to chat with Eric about the historical accuracy of stonewall. There's some text on the screen to open the movie that helps gives a little bit of context. So I thought that would be a great place for us to start as well. According to that in movie in Nineteen Sixty nine federal law in the US prohibits government agencies from hiring homosexuals they're classified as mentally ill. It's illegal for homosexuals to congregate be served alcohol and Electro Thought Shock Therapy is used to cure homosexuality. Can you give a little more historical context around what the laws were like during the timeline of the movie I can't sit with the best of times The list that is offered is actually true in nineteen, fifty, three President Eisenhower signed an executive order banning gay people from Federal Employment. So that meant if you were found day off. Or they found you because they were very very actively. Out Homosexuals and got rid of. Them. You can easily lose your federal job. I remember reading some of the letters that were sent to people who did the Investigations This is during it was called the lavender scare was concurrent with the red scare but I bet you didn't learn about that in school. I did not know and neither did I and I saw Meta recently culpa lavender scare about that period of history and there were people who in federal government who were very actively involved rooting out. Homosexuals one guy in particular talked with pride about This guy who whose life you ruined through the left, his office and shops. So thousands of gay people lost their jobs and that included people in the military as well. So people. It's a little hard to navigate. People were thought to be a security threat because if of since you have to be closeted because she would be fired if she were found out, you could lose your family so. It was a double bind. You can be blackmail because you have to be closeted but you have closeted because if you were to lose your job. So it was theorized that gay people were prime targets for being blackmailed W to wanted to spy on the on the United States. So I gave you scapegoated when it comes down to. But yes, it was. You know it was considered sinful churches and indeed wasn't mental listed as a mental illness. So. If you're a doctor, you can't have a mental illness. If you're a lawyer, you'd lose your license. If you're a schoolteacher can have mentally ill people school. So the pressure on gay people was enormous. And it wasn't until nineteen sixty one when a law was passed in Illinois that. that there was at least one state where it wasn't illegal for people at the same sex to engage in sexual relations. Yeah. So it was wild and also you literally it was against the law at least in new. York, state to serve homosexuals alcohol on bark. It didn't say the law that you couldn't serve homosexuals. What it said was that you could not serve people who are disorderly or could create a disorderly environments and that was used by the state liquor authority in new. York, suit deny gain people right to be served in bars, which is why the bars were then owned by the mafia or run by the mafia, because they set up a system with the police for payoffs so that these bars that operate. Wow. Wow. So I imagine I mean you mentioned that you know being illegal for federal employment, but I imagine a lot of. Private employers also followed suit in that way where they basically followed the federal law was illegal for private employers to employ as well. It wasn't illegal for private employers, employees eight people but but if you were, you couldn't be out of the school teacher fired. There was such a scorn for homosexuals that if you're a lawyer, you could be fired. It's it's so hard for us to imagine now, but I remember interviewing people who were among the first who went to job interviews at law firms and said I'm gay and you know either you hire me you dope. But I don't WanNa work place where I can't be myself I was one of only two out gay people in the newsroom at. CBS. Morning. News in Nineteen Eighty I. The only one who was out of the newsroom at CBS Morning News in nineteen eighty eight. I was only one of two journalists out at the Columbia University graduate. School of journalism in the class of Nineteen eighty-four we about one hundred and fifty our classmates. Wow that's not that long ago. Not that long ago. No, I'm a dinosaur dinosaurs to walk the earth. No no, but I mean. That's not what. I mean, you know we think of like you're saying you know it's hard to think about now but you know we think of this is not ancient history, right? I. Mean it wasn't that long ago that that it was that way it that way. Yeah. I was warned by my professor of my professors that it could ruin my career if I were out. And and he was very much against a classmate and I who both out wanted to do a story on AIDS. The AIDS crisis was unfolding at that time. He was very much against it and said, we could catch AIDS through the camera. Okay. That's some ridiculousness. Yeah I know I know. It's so hard for us. Now to imagine what it was like in nineteen, sixty nine, how gay people socialize end the words we use were so different than today we talk about trans. People people. Such back then so they were might be identified as gay or people who identified as drag Queens. We might think of today as gender non conforming. It's even hard to talk about those times because the language today is different we talk about the LGBTQ, civil rights movement. Now, there was a homo file movements in the nineteen sixties there wasn't a gay rights movement was called something different and it wasn't a a a a a a mix of communities wasn't Lgbtq people that have come out over time now. Oh there it was more separate than than it is. Now is what you're saying is right after STOUGHTON. You'd say there was a gay rights movement or Gay Liberation Movement and that was the Gay Lesbian Movement is women asserted their power. And for the Nineteen Ninety Three Morton Washington bisexual people negotiated from cells so it was the. Hundred Ninety three March on Washington for Gay, Lesbian Bi, rights, or lesbian gay rights t was added later there was a lot of the you can't imagine people now say you know we used to get along so well as a group gay people, you know years ago and lie we all have to argue now we never got along well and there's always been tension between the different groups will air. Accepting, embracing movement. Now, we were back then and sixty nine at the stonewall movement was tiny. They were somewhere between forty and sixty homa or gay rights organizations prior to Stonewall. Yeah. Always several hundred hundred. All the entire. United. States allow that's a lot smaller than I would've expected. Well speaking of the timeline there. We kind of get an idea of what what it was like. Then according to at least you know in the movie in nineteen sixty nine but I'd like to ask about the WHO and the where that we see in the movie. The movie follows the young man by the name of Danny winters and he arrives in New York and almost immediately start hanging out with a group on Christopher Street in New York and they make up the main characters in the movie there's Ray or Financy Queen Kong, quiet Paul and literally and not spoil the ending. But we do see like we've seen a lot of movies that are based on a true story we see the real people in the movie at the end and it talks About people like Marsha p Johnson, Bob Kohler more pine but the movie doesn't mention any of the main characters in the movie at the end only saying that it's dedicated to unsung heroes of the stonewall riots. So as I was watching this I, got the idea that that probably means the main characters are not real but perhaps their fictional characters that were designed to tell a story of how not everyone gets their name in the history books, but they can still have an impact on history so. In a movie based on real people who were living on Christopher Street in New York, city. Well, I everyone but Danny from Indiana the main character in the film. This was a very earnest film I have to say. When I read all the criticism of the film when it first came out in two thousand fifteen, what I didn't realize. That it was terrible film. That it's not. There isn't in such a history that's problematic. It's a terrible move. And so terrible that at times it was funny when it wasn't supposed to be funny but one of my. Acquaintances friends colleagues is a man named Martin Boyce who I've interviewed at stone while he was one of the street kids. But unlike most of the three kids he had a stable home he went to private school during the day and did what's called scare drag the evening with his friends who out Christopher Park across from the Stonewall Inn and scared was partial drag makeup long hair out some women's clothing but not not authorised and Martin was a consultant. To the film and when I asked Martin about it, he said is actually a lot of it was quite accurate in the portrayals of the people who were there and I feel Martin's fingerprints on this because some of the names of the people who were of the street kids were names of Martin's friends, and some of the the characterization seem to be similar to what Martin has described to me and I wonder if the character ray was Sylvia Rae Rivera. So. We were rose become a Nikon transact. Vist was thought to have been at the stonewall uprising lucid debate about that or some dispute about it. So so so I think some of the characters were composites, but the life that was shown in that film of these kids who've been thrown out who came to New York either from the from from New York City itself or from outside of New, York and we're living on the streets and making money however, they could mostly by. Those stories are. There's a scene in particular where Danny the the. It's such a such a cliche. The blonde boy from Indiana comes to New York and descend falls in with this group of street kids and he's going to Colombia and his his parents rejected minutes data's the coach should the football team and he's on the football team he falls in love with the Oh, my God it was like it was crushed under the weight of the the cliches, the numerous Moore's cliches. But in there there is there is some historical fact but then is completely made up. There is no from Indiana who threw the first brick and stone. Okay well, that was going to be a later question I asked to because yeah he does throw the I. Could come back to that. You talking about how it's hard to imagine things. There was something as I was watching the movie that was. It was hard to imagine what it must've been like. That was the scene where we see Danny in high school and the whole class watching this educational video right it's how not a homosexuals or passive and then like to hang out in public restrooms and It suggests that your life is going to be at risk if they're nearby right and so it just seemed like it is propaganda film that they're trying to incite fear and hatred in the schools was that something that really happened in classrooms in sixties it I'm too young to have seen those those films I grew up principally in the seventies I was born in Nineteen fifty eight and was eleven years old at the time of Stonewall at PS ninety, nine public school in New York City. Although classes out by by then but I've never been to Greenwich village although my parents hung out in Greenwich does they were they were beaten makes my dad was a communist so but I actually didn't see Greenwich Village until after I graduated from high school even though I live on a subway line that had a stop. In. Greenwich Village. That's how shelter and I was living in what I call the Oklahoma or the Iowa of city. So those those were real and they were shown to classes and kids were warns about the creepy Perv you're going to come across in the park and he made offer you a ride in his car and and watch out for people like that, and there was an effort to warn young people about the dangers of homosexuality because they didn't really understand their understanding homosexuality was quite different from our understanding today you could be recruited into this life that they were men lurking in the bushes waiting to drag you into to this life that so horrible. But if you try once it'll be what you do for the rest of your life. The first time I saw those probably their of propaganda films that are shown frequently and as part of documentaries and were included in this film. The first one I saw when I thought, no nobody would show that kind of thing but they do and you can imagine the terror that struck in the hearts of young gay people and what it would do to poison the minds of straight kids in. Their understanding of their lgbtq classmates when I was growing up in New York in my high school. There was one kind of effeminate gay kit. His name was monty. and. You didn't to be. Monte. Because he got teased he got teased mercilessly there was nobody out in my high school in the class of nineteen, seventy six. So I can certainly relate to the experience of of this kid in Indiana once he was found out being tortured and being shot at his parents house that was that was something that happened then and happens to this day. Wow I mean I. could imagine how if everybody else is saying these are people to watch out for then it's like well, of course, that's GonNa mess you up. If, that's what you're. taught to believe that's GonNa mess you up and that's one corrupt with I didn't see those propaganda films but I can tell you when I was a teenager fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years old I realized I was gay. I was just I am even buy them homosexuality of the roof from that list of mental illnesses. I was crushed. I thought it was the most horrible thing that could happen to me that I had been the best little boy in the world. I've done everything, right? I. Was good at school. I didn't take drugs. I didn't stay out late except for my senior prom in highschool and here was this terrible thing that I knew would destroyed my life and disappoint my family and that was that was so long after stonewall it was just that was in the mid nineteen seventies. Wow, that's i. mean that's sad. I'm glad that we're starting to make changes to where that's you know use today or hopefully not nearly as impacted by that. I. In from a range of of young people from those who are out and comfortable for age and some who wanted to in their twenties and thirties still struggling especially around religion. Yeah. I could see that going back to the movie when we see Danny arriving in New York City gets. A brutal welcome. I mean there's a point where he he's going he's looking for Ray, the police raid, the area there's absolutely no hesitation on the part of police whatsoever. The immediately just start swinging batons beating the armed people there including Danny police brutality targeting gay people in the sixties a common occurrence like the movie seems to imply absolutely, and the problem was you couldn't go to the police to complain about what was happening. So. Police operated with impunity. It wasn't for no reason that gay people fought back at the STONEWALL, Inn they've been abused over and over and over again by the police. So the scene that was portrayed in the film of Danny. Gone to look for Ray in a part of New York City that doesn't really exist anymore it was over by appears on the Hudson River where there were abandoned years and. Elevated highway, which has since been torn down and underneath the elevated highway there were trucks that were parked overnight trailer trucks and gay men would often go there for sex I read about this. I've never been there. I was too young for that plus I'm Jay phobic and terrified of those things. So you never would have found either but the scene that was portrayed seen pretty realistic and I'm getting the. Got It for Martin Boys because Martin Boyce. Describe that seemed to me as well and the police went in the rate of the area where people congregated and really gave people didn't have or didn't have places where they could could gather other than bars which by the Mafia and public places. So the scene the struck me as inaccurate or or ridiculous about that scene. Danny. Gets beaten brutally by the police. Is that and they they really pounded with batons and punched him out and the next day he has a little cut on his lip and within a senior to the cut on the lip is gone the thing a little continuity issue there if he had been beaten as badly as he was shown being beaten, he would have had broken ribs, broken limbs and his beautiful face which the camera lingers on quite often I think they really were trying. To appeal to. Like like farmboys from the Midwest He would never have recovered as quickly from that that beating but that was not that was not uncommon. I happen told stories that were horrific about beatings at the hands of the police of the police were no friends to gay people and you couldn't go to them to complain. I can't help be reminded of a quote that we've heard a lot this year amidst the protests that we've had here in the United States. I don't remember I don't remember off the top of my head, the exact words, but this is the quote from Dr Martin. Luther. King. Junior. That says something the effect of how a riot is the voice of the unhurt and it sounds like that's exactly what was going on with the stonewall riots. The uprising was the only way that they could be hurt. A speaking of Stonewall, in the movie, it does set up how the operation there runs itself it because this is Danny's first time as well. In the movie viewers we benefit because the group explains to him how this works and you have to sign in. You can't use your real name I you pause the movie and look Daffy Duck and John Wayne on the list you know. And then it says. You know mentions that stonewalls run by the mom be and there's no liquor license because it's illegal to sell alcohol to gay people. So how did the movie do showing how stone always ran for my understanding of stone all the research I've done things I've read it was pretty spot on. And the reason they stole up to with did as a private club is. A layer of extra protection against the police, and so yes, you did have to sign and people all kinds of Judy Garland Donald Duck Mickey Mouse vaccine at that. That was one of the things that impressed me about the film wasn't allowed to impress. Me was a how they got some of those key details, right? Plenty that wasn't but some of those did details were right some of it though Oh my God the guy who have the mattachine society and frank candid is just I know we'll get to that. We will get to that before we get to that I do WANNA ask about some of the rage we're talking about the the police brutality and then talking about stonewall. When we see the group, it's don't offer the first time. There's a raid the happens you know the lights turn on everybody lines up against the wall ID's required it I get the sense while I was watching the a very common occurrence everybody knows okay this is the routine right. This is what we need to do. The movie mentions a a three article of clothing rule and suggests that the cops are being paid off by every time they raid the place, which, of course, in my mind says, well, that's going to make them want to raid the place even more because they're getting paid for it every single time. How did the movie do showing the raids on sewn will actually did a really good job of that that that was the routine of how raids were conducted. The police are sometimes called inbetween a between politicians who wanted to publicize their efforts to clean up the city and cleanup places like times, square, and cleanup up village, and that usually meant get rid of sexual and the Prostitute Sam the what would have been called then called transvestite prostitutes we would never use language like that now but but dressing people who sold themselves sex workers. So that was accurate and the rule about three articles of clothing. Yes. Indeed you have to wear three articles of clothing that were appropriate to your. Gender. So if you assist gender person as we would describe him today. So Imus Gender Guy. So at the stall, I'd have to wear at least three articles of clothing that were male identified. Now. My friend Martin Boyce said that he would carry receipts with him. To, show that the three articles clothing he had on underneath his drag were indeed clothing that he had bought in the men's Department of a department store. So he carried those receipts. Wow that's i. mean that just seems like one of those laws that's it's there so that they can catch you for it. In Yeah. The one time you forget to carry the receipts with you right or something like that where yeah it's just there. So they can catch with it. Is that underwear how master what does that underwear or for a woman who was in male drag it's crazy stuff and some of these laws date back. Years have to do with ancient history in the US but the I always found three article. I am worrying about this shirts convinced department just so you know the one that you can't see. Hot cast wearing. although I don't know about these birkenstocks rather Eunice Unisex. We're really a you mentioned the managing society and I do want to ask about them because there's a character there trevor who is according to the movie at Trevor Kind of mentions this he again, we have the benefit of Danny being new to the area. So right. So He's explaining everything trevor explains that they're a group fighting for gay rights and we also see you mentioned Frank, candy speaking to the group at one of their meetings as well. Where they real where they real group that was fighting for gay rights at the time. There was an organization founded in nineteen fifty in Los Angeles by five men called Mattachine society overtime chapters spread across the US. The most radical of the chapters was founded in nineteen sixty one by Frank Kennedy who was a character in the movie frank at Harbour PhD astronomer had hoped to work for NASA was fired in nineteen fifty seven because he was gay, he challenged you went to court only after the Supreme Court, which wasn't here his case to try to get his job back and when he couldn't get his job back he founded the Mattachine Society of Washington DC to fight the US government which eventually rescinded its ban on employing gay people in the federal government. So Frank one has battle. The lease portrayed in the film is kind of silly and the Managing Society is written off away old line organization that there assimilation simulation combination isn't afterward coats and ties, and it's looking at that organization through the Contemporary Lens of Nineteen, sixty nine. You might think that they were old fashioned group but when frank founded the Managing Society of Washington DC in nineteen, sixty one, there were no protests out on the street. Frank is the one who initiated the first protest from the White House in Nineteen, sixty five and the reason he wanted everyone to dress appropriately at least if he considered appropriate men in suits and ties women and skirts and blouses and heels. He was arguing that gay people should not be discriminated against in employment and he said, if you WANNA be employed look employable, he also believe that your appearance shouldn't get in the way of the message and that's why he had people dressed the way they did the signs at all the protests were uniform. So. It was a very careful branding effort for a people who had been largely hidden most Americans had never seen on the sexual before. But as the sixties unfolded, the nineteen sixties and young people became radicalized young people felt that what the mashing society was doing with old fashioned they shouldn't have to dress a certain way to protest and eventually because in large part because of the stonewall uprising that earlier generation was swept away and a new group of younger radical people came into the movement and the movement exploded it went from between forty and sixty organizations to nearly fifteen hundred organizations in the first year after stonewall. If Frank Kennedy saw how he was portrayed in this film, he would be rolling over in his grave. Because he was he was a real firebrand and he's portrayed as sort of this. mousy guy in a suit talking before a group that. Politely and Trevor Who's kind of a cool version cooler version of a managing member kind of smoke in hot guy clear. You just knew Danny from the Midwest was GONNA fall for. and. He's just he's portrayed as this manipulative user buckler also an activist. I found his character particularly annoying and repellents but the guy who the the film tried to do is create a tension between. Mattachine the old line group and the younger activists, which is actually a true tension. I'd just objected to the way he did it because again, it seemed like such A. Cliche that Danny was betrayed by trevor and Trevor found a younger man you know hammock sense. Yeah? Yeah I mean the. The gears grind. So loudly in this film, you can just he'll the index cards lined up on the court or It's interesting. You mention frank getting fired from NASA and I think there was even a moment there where Danny's like work for NASA when he when you talk to him so I like that little detail there of that. It sounds like that part of it might have been you know in a mosh to frank yes. Well, Franken wants it to work for for what was. Becoming NASA, but he lost his job and that was the end of it for him because any job in the federal government for an astronomer required security clearance and no person who was known to be gay could get security clearance. They ruled career Oh. Yeah. Well, that probably goes back to the being categorized as mentally ill similar concept to you know teacher in in that aspect. That was that was. The blackmail issue less the mental illness issue. Okay going back I. Guess you mentioned to the the red scare and and tying all that into it and Stood out to me while I was watching the scene with frank campion and the mattachine society. He said something to the effect of how the American people will start to understand that firing us just for being gay is plain wrong and of course, it was this year twenty twenty. If you're listening to this in the future that the US Supreme Court ruled gay and transgender employees are protected under the civil. Rights. Act of nineteen, sixty four so that just happened. In twenty twenty, but they're talking about this sort of thing and twenty fifteen movies at back in nineteen sixty nine. So seems like as long overdue. Are there any other examples of similar decades? Long fights just to get basic rights welfare lgbtq people? Yes. Leaving aside other civil rights movements, which took much longer even than Lgbtq people the right to serve in the military the effort to remove gay people for the military began towards the end of World War Two. The first protest about gay people military was nineteen, sixty four at the Whitehall induction center in the financial district in New York City it was the from what I understand the first public protests by gay people ever in nineteen sixty four and it was over gay people being thrown out of the military and the argument was if you're gonNA throw someone in the military for being gay least give him an honorable discharge in don't ruin his life. So that was about it was fought for decades as well, and the issue of mental illness was also fought over a period of time I mean it's it's shameful that the issue about employment is this long and there's still no law protecting gay. People. Against Discrimination a national law against discrimination in a combination. So in the cities and states where you're not protected by local laws, you can be thrown out of your apartment for being here. I guess I never realized that that seems crazy. Or not served at a restaurant. Wow. So that's all up to that state levels at city level or or is that the establishment instead of state or local? It depends upon the state in which you live. Yeah. I'm no expert on it, but you can still run into problems. Wow. Is there are these cases about Baker's not wanting to bake cakes for gay wedding I think I've seen that in the news at and it's just one of the like really. Don't you have better things to do you know. What is a wedding cake? They aren't asking for a cake with their private parts reproduced on top of the cake. It's just their names to cake the cake. Cake cake. I love that about the film that was a two thousand, fifteen film in which county is talking about gay people and Employment and discrimination, and here we are all these years later and it was a decades-long battle game protections in employment. And it's not to be underestimated what a huge deal about is he I and I I appreciate your pointing out some of the fights that are still ongoing that still need to be addressed for. Sure. Going back to the movie one of the villains one of the main villains I guess I should say that we see in the movie is Ron Perlman's character a guy named Ed Murphy and as the movie explains it at takes advantage of people him some out. We see this happening with Dana Film but then at the end of the movie, there's a bit of taxed at the very end that explains Ed Murphy ended up as a gay activist and was posthumously made Grand Marshal the Newark Pride. Parade. Powell. Did the movie do showing the character arc of Murphy? Have done a better job of reading David Carter's book on Stonewall because I'm guessing he went into detail about I always heard something about it but the Ed Murphy I knew was the reconstituted Ed Murphy? So the film portrayed somebody who was there were gay people who took advantage of other people. Were just we're human. We are equal opportunity opportunists. Well, like you said, like you said before they're trying to earn a living like they're trying to make their way unfortunately sometimes, that means putting other people down in order to survive. Yes. So so I learned something from the film I'm hoping that was close to accurate because Ed Murphy comes off as a terrible person I'm guessing the scene where he picks out this young Danny from the Midwest to an an older gay couple one of whom is dressed up like Ethel Merman and for your listeners who don't know who Ethel Merman is go to youtube and look Ethel Merman and that was how this older gay man was dressed up. In their fancy apartment with his husband and. And trying to rip off the clothes of young Danny who who every time. Anyone tried to do to him what they portray in the film. He gets the same expression on his face of both the horror mixture of horror and Oh my God, I can't believe this is happening to me and. We're supposed to imagine what's happening down. Then I, it was just a pathetic scene, but the ED Murphy figures into this because he's the one who's pimping out this young kid I don't doubt that there were people like Ed Murphy operating in that environment at that time. So I have to go back and read David Cars Book David. Carter recently died. His book was he spent ten years writing a book about stone definitive history of the stonewall uprising in everything that occurred around it. So for anyone who's interested in knowing more that really is the the authoritative account speaking of the uprising we're at the point in the movie where we see the uprising itself or it's been called the stonewall riots in history as well. The movie has the date as June twenty, eighth, nineteen, sixty nine. We mentioned earlier Danny's the first one to throw the brick the movie. Omega is. First of all judy. Garland who for for people? Who Don't she? She was an iconic singer who's very popular among especially game mentioned a lot of gay fans and is famous for the movie the wizard of Oz, there's been much debate about whether or not her desk which coincided with the stonewall uprising. Her body was on display the twenty seventh of June at Campbell's funeral home on the upper east side. So people went to see her body and then some of them went down to the bar. But. It's not believed that her death had anything to do with it, and if the car theorized that these street kids probably didn't even know who Judy Garland was or had no attachment to her in the way that older gay men did because the way it's portrayed in the film, it suggests that. One of the character ray goes uptown to see judy. Garland body and that they're upset about her death, it's likely that that had nothing to do with it. But as I'm watching the scene unfold outside the stonewall and you just know know Ryan that's about to occur and I know how this plays out and one of the accounts someone throws a rock breaks window and I see Danny arguing with a believe it was Congo Congo woman we that's how congresswoman woman was known by Martin Voice and she's just known as Conga in the film. Stakes brick out of her bag. And Danny suddenly has the brick and his hand and thinking Oh, please domes Jenny Danny shouldn't be the ones that throw the first brick because it's going to ruin your life screenwriter if you portray the first person who throws a brick at the stonewall and as a blond boy from the Midwest because. Even. If it was true. That shows every myth about stonewall and it wasn't true. It wasn't a blond boy from the Midwest who through the first rock or brick no one knows exactly who threw the first rock as with any riot or uprising that get started wherever you're standing. There's a different perspective on what's happening. So, as was described to me, what happened at first was people started throwing coins. At stonewall INN and that was to say to the police he came for your payoff. Here's some more. And I learned that from Sylvia. Rivera. Who is one of the people who was alleged to be a participant of the stone uprising I didn't know that detail and the police were inside right because in the movie we see the police inside. So I'm just picturing this in my head, they're throwing coins at stonewall with the police essentially barricaded inside. Before the police are barricaded. Okay. At least that's how it happened to throwing coins, and what happens is there's somebody does throw a rocket breaks a window. I was glad to see them the way the filmmaker portrayed the uprising is pretty close to how it's been described to me by people who were there, and by Lucian Truscott Fourth, who is a village voice reporter who was the scene at the time published the first one of the first articles on July third. Of, sixty nine describing what he saw because as it's often portrayed male or described is a much bigger riot than it actually was. So people talking about Molotov cocktails and firebombs and what you see in the film as the kids squirting lighter fluid on the plywood behind the glass window that has been broken and they set fire to the plywood. That's about the extent of how much flame there was. There were Molotov Co cocktails weren't firebombs. If, you compare what happened at stonewall in terms of riot ranking. Given what was going on in the nineteen sixties the late nineteen sixty with confrontations with the police and riots in the major cities it was a very small uprising. What made it different was that it was gay people fighting back against the police and instead of the police chasing gay people you have these street kids who people thought of as weak and fearful you have street kids chasing the police through. The village and nobody could believe that that was happening. So that's what made it unique, and then the the unrest went on for total of six nights it ebbs and flows, but I was impressed that they that they didn't overdo it. There's a kick wine that's portrayed in the film of the kids doing a kick line and doing a chance we are the stonewall girls we were her hair in curls. Where our genes below are these there various lyrics that I've heard but as the daily news wrote about it and this New York daily state wrote about it in sixty nine. They suggested that it was a line of drag queens in full Regalia in high heels in lafont. which actually is much better. I love that myth better than the actual reality which was restricted some moderate modify drag when I talk to Martin. Boyce was at stonewall about the high heels. He said, we did wear high heels to the stone. While you were flats you couldn't run from the police wearing high heels. So in that regard I, thought that the filmmaker did a good job. Of portraying the scene and with riot police with their shields and batons all of that described. Now we can't compare it to actual film of what happened at stonewall because there is none. You can't compare it to hundreds of photographs that were taken because as far as we know, there were a handful of photographs taken fe the most famous ones taken by Fred Madeira are a five of them that I've seen. So we only know from accounts of at the time of what happened and the filmaker thought that a pretty good job of not overdoing. I think his biggest mistake was having Danny. The hero of the film. Throw the first burke but Danny serves a useful purpose storytelling purpose because he is our is he is the innocence coming from the Midwest doesn't know anything about gay life or the village, and so we get to see it through his is it just happens to be completely made up and asking for trouble because the still present such contested history already at to portray it in a way that suggests the hero of the event is a blonde white boy from the Midwest. When in fact, the street kids were from a range of races enough MRIs and it was a big mistake tomorrow. You mentioned it went on for six nights, but we only really saw one in the movie. Was it all around the stonewaller? Did it start spread out a little bit more? It's spread out into the streets of the village. So a year later. There was an pride March that was called the Christopher Street Liberation Day march on the anniversary of the one year anniversary stonewall. It was specifically called Christopher Street that which is stonewall as Liberation Day March because. The Year of activism that occurred after stonewall with deliberate the streets of the village, they of the focus to be on stonewall because stole always a mafia owned bar that closed two weeks after the stonewall uprising. So why would you celebrate a place like that? I mean years since it's become iconic and around the world people celebrate stonewall all they know really most people is stonewall was a place where gay people fought back against the police it's represents freedom from oppression. One thing that I did quibble with in a film, they call it the liberty of the Gay Liberation March in the film that occurs a year later, and they compress the time line in such a way that suggests that it happened. Very quickly after the storm uprising and that just happened. And in fact, there was an enormous amount of or using that went into that I march one year from stonewall uprising. And involved engaging with twenty different organizations, Homa file organizations on the east coast that all agreed to that. March actually as long story involved with a few questions about it I'm happy to answer that was actually going to be my next question had to do with the march because. Like you said you that was something that really struck me about the movie to it happened. So quickly, like the timing in the movie, you have the uprising and then there's a couple like we see deigning go go home visits his sister he's like Oh, we're going to have a parade next month to commemorate and then a couple of seconds later they're having the parade boom I thought that was next month, right? Yeah. I'm assuming this then transitioned into the pride parades that we see around the US today is kind. Of How that went? Yes. Yes. I'll tell you how it happened in the shortest version of the story. So from nineteen, sixty, five to nineteen, sixty, nine, there was a march was called the annual reminder in front of Independence Hall in Philadelphia on July Fourth to remove this is organized by Frank Kennedy the management society several other organizations. It was to remind Americans that gay people didn't have their rights that they could be fired from their jobs that they could be sorted of the military. So it's called the annual reminder. So the annual reminder was held. On July Fourth Nineteen, sixty nine just a few days after the stonewall uprising like it had been every year. And that fall in the in November of sixty nine there was a meeting of the East Coast. Regional Conference of Homophobia organizations doesn't just roll off your tongue here. It's ERC. Oh, they met in November of Nineteen sixty-nine in Philadelphia and for young. People. Ellen Brody. Linda Roads Craig Rodwell and Fred Sergeants. wrote up a resolution. These were young activists they resolution asking that the remind your day March being moved in nineteen seventy two New York City to mark the one year anniversary of the stonewall uprising and that the people who attended should be able to address however they want to. And that all the other organizations around the country should have marches as well and have them every year thereafter to mark the stonewall uprising. That's how we wound up with these. Celebrations March marches that occur every year either on the anniversary or around the anniversary of the stonewall sometimes at other times of the year. It was a well organized well planned events and it was called the Christopher Street Liberation Day March. Not the Gay Liberation March. I don't know. Danny. Actually. Participated probably were blonde voice from west who did. But it wasn't surprisingly diverse group of people and it was the largest gathering of openly gay people in the world ever there were somewhere between two and three or four thousand people who marched from the village up Sixth Avenue to Central Park where there was a gay am or a B. Him those were gatherings of people were that weren't organized just a chance to be together and celebrate, and there were thought to be between five and ten thousand people at. That gay in Central Park following the first march of Sixth Avenue. Wow. That's I. Mean That's pretty good attendance for fresh for the first one. Yeah. The Reminder Day marches got in Philadelphia got several dozen people. So now this was the even the organizers couldn't believe what happened that they started out actually with a few hundred people at the beginning of March and one of the chance was off the sidewalks into the street and people joins the march along the way. There's a scene in the movie that was just it was so so painfully clear shade. So Dan's mother and sister show up they've taken the train or bus from the Midwest to be at the March and Danny sees his mother and sister on the side of on the sidewalk in his mother's gotten her new hairdo and they look so happy of course, the father who's the Coach was not there but I'm thinking Danny go over and hug them. They came all the way from the Midwest to see you and he just looks back in waves at them and keeps marching and I'm thinking there's something wrong here and I didn't get to right the movie. But if you're GONNA go if you go all in with the blonde jokes in the Mid West. got. To hug his mother and sister who gone all that way to see her in the march. I agree, and that leads into another question I want to ask. So if you make this movie, If you did direct movie, what's a key thing that you would change about it? Well, the problem is you have to change the main thing about it so you have no move. There is a great movie, a great narrative movie to be made about. The stories are really something and you can use the story as an entry point since what New York City was like in the late nineteen, sixty s sixty s some of these characters grew up and what was their life experience like and how did ray come to be on the street? How did Conga come to be on the street? Why did we have to have a blond boy from the Mid West the be the is the story. So there's A terrific story to be told that if I were to do it and I wouldn't do it, I wouldn't be the ones run I might assemble a team. I wouldn't be the writer I would not have my eyes and ears or my guide you through this piece of history be a blond kid from the Midwest because you're just asking for trouble because kids of color played such a central role in the uprising they were kids who challenged the police i. They were what I describe St Kitts fifteen sixteen seventeen year old kids who have nothing to lose. So how do you make a movie about Stonewall when you center the story on a kid who's coming from the Mid West is going to go to Columbia scholarship. So. That I think was a fatal flaw of the film no can see past that. But if you pass that than what you see a film that. So laden with. Shane's that it's hard to really. Oh. It's just still Ethel Merman? Ethel Merman Sarah saw herself dressed up someone dressed up as yourself stripping awfully young boys pants. Oh my God. It was just. Iraq to thank you Dan forgetting you to watch this film because I studiously avoided seeing because I didn't want to be interviewed about it. So I'm like, Hey, you want to be interviewed about it. Well, the controversy has passed and I love that your podcast is about is it looks at films that are trying to tell history allegedly true stories. It really was a well intentioned. Effort but but it couldn't. It couldn't help but fail by having this main character hang danny from the Midwest as cute as he was and he was Judaism bugsy ear and you just wanted to you know take him home and introduce into your grandmother but he was the wrong person to view the star of the film. One thinks towards the end of the movie really got the idea especially on the text at the end of it starts to talk about how even today you know forty percents of all homeless youth in America are LGBT home homosexuality remains a crime in seventy seven countries. One reason why I started this podcast West to help shine a light on different areas of you know we all know that movies are never going to be entirely true but still it's very easy to see it as okay. This is this must be what happened or similar to what happened and if nothing else hopefully, this movie helps shine a light on that part of history. Yes with it does shine a light on the plight of homeless lgbtq. Youth and the life that they portray is the tragic life that many people still live today. New York City. So this is this is not the ancient past. This is this is how this how people are living on the streets of New York today, and that is a terrible tragedy. Now, if you WANNA get a perspective for people interested in documentaries and and and history portray the documentary. To see how things are dealt with and other parts of the world is a new film called welcome to Chechnya which shows what's happening in Chechnya which is a part of Russia where gay people are being hounded down and eliminated. They're trying they say they don't have gay people in Chechnya. And the storm is about the people who are being hunted down what's being done to them and an organization in Russia trying to rescue and has been rescuing Lgbtq people and getting them out of Chechnya out of Russia. It was I saw it recently and so startling it's it's shocking and horrifying. You can't believe that this is going on today that people are being demonized and killed because simply because they're gay wow, it's easy to look back on history and be like that was back then right and so everything is right now but it's clearly not what would you say to somebody listening to this that wants to help and this clearly you know a global issue. What would you say they can do to help oh, there's so many ways to help in ways. Everyone has different ways of helping. You can volunteer for organizations that pfeiffer. lgbtq rights. If. Your parents lgbtq child, you can get involved in an organization called P. Flag, which was once called parents, friends, parents, families, and friends, lesbians and gays. You can support an organization like lambda legal, which provides legal representation invites cases that all the way up to the Supreme Court in every community just about every community us, there are ways to get involved whether you want to get involved. Locally nationally or internationally, and their organizations need funding to help spirit people out of Chechnya to save him from being killed. But one key thing that I think is important for everyone to do is to be a little bit more informed than we are. This history is only now just being taught in schools. In, most places not. So it's hard to watch a film like a Stone Wall with a critical I if you know nothing about the history. And I have to admit that when I started my work I did a book called making a history which was published in Nineteen ninety-two. It's an oral history of what was then called the Game Lesbian Civil Rights Movement, when I started my work, I had no idea that there was any movement history before nineteen sixty-nine. I didn't know that it was founded in the US in nineteen fifty or that the first rights organization in the world was founded in Berlin in eighteen ninety seven. And that the first person, the first gay rights activists out himself was a German in who outed himself in eighteen, sixty, seven at a conference. There's lots of history and it's really interesting history. And Its threaded throughout American history the LGBTQ civil rights movement is is American history. Just one story in particular that I find tragic that isn't taught routinely. One of Dr Martin Luther King. Junior's principal mentors is a man named by Ruston. He was also the principle organizer of nineteen, sixty, three march on Washington for jobs and freedom. He was an out gay man and the reason we don't learn about him as part of the civil rights movement is that he was kept in the background to be in the background because the fact is gay and out let's all kinds of problems with. That he was having an affair with Dr Martin Luther King it was the FBI or J. Edgar Hoover who promoted that rumor. So there are key people in history who we don't learn about because they were gay. And their stories have been. If not a race they've been hidden. So, we have the opportunity now to share these stories and I was lucky enough to interview a lot of the people who were. There that are the beginning of the movement because when I started my work thirty, some odd years ago these people are still alive. I was shocked to find that they were still alive and I got to record their stories and then share them I in a book and then now on a podcast I making history podcast. That segues right into your work and I know you've got a lot of great books and you do have that excellent podcast making gay history. Mall I let me just say thank you for shining a light on those moments of history that I think. Sorely needs to be highlighted more and more for sure key share a little bit of information about your podcast and where someone listening can learn more about your work. Sure at making a history, what we do is we bring lgbtq history to live the voices of the people who lived at and we do that by principally drawing on my archive of more than hundred interviews that I recorded for the two additions of my book making history. We also drawn other kinds and we also done some of our own research into finding a long lost interviews like with by Rushton, which was on a cassette tape in a box underneath the bed of his surviving partner Walter Naegle. Very graciously. Let us use this incredible interview revived Russell talks about the impact of sexual orientation on his work with Dr King. It's an extraordinary interview didn't episode about it and Aarp Academy founded all the places you can find podcasts. And you can also find making KFC on our website at making gay history dot Com for each episode that we do we do essentially magazine article with links to lots of additional information and we include archival photo. So for anyone who's interested in digging deeper, we provide the resources. We also partner with an organization called history on erased at any rate not work to develop LGBTQ inclusive American history curricular. Our work is done specifically cynically for eighth and eleven. History classes and also work with an organization called facing history and ourselves that also develops resources for educators to use in the classroom, and also there's another organization called Archives of the USC libraries, they're also developing resources for educators. What's happening now is that kids are demanding to be taught this history and teachers and administrators are being forced to catch up there also state laws requiring it and some states in the US. But it's the kids who are who are saying to teachers. I want to know this history and not just gay kids straight kids to who want to know what's the what's kept from them, and some of these stories are just just terrific. We also now have a making gay replay that's called making a history before stonewall we had ten performances in New York City at the promise down playhouse in Greenwich Village, it was. Written by or Daft it from my work by a professor named Joe Salvator at New York University and our last performance was on March, eighth New York City shutdown just several days after we had our final performance and we're licensing the play to high schools and community groups the first performance will be to school in Chicago. And possibly school in Vermont and and the story of of the history before stonewall is told through the stories of twenty characters actually twenty real people. I'm the twenty-first characters because I'm in the play as the interviewer a, which was a freaky thing to. You playing yourself for you have other people that you get to cast as as yourself. In this production all ten actors ten actors played each two different people. And each actor played me. So tender from people played me. So I was played by an African American lesbian by a white guy by by an Asian. American. It was it was something to see. It was Was it moved me to tears? Well, Eric Thank you so much for your time to come on and chat about Stonewall I. Know I learned a ton and make sure to add a links to all of your work in the show notes for this episode as well. I just love talking about this with so much fun and I'm glad I got to see the film and I hope I never have to watch it again. Thank you. This. Episode of the true story was produced by me Dan, the Fed. I'd like to thank Eric Marcus for his time and expertise and helping US separate fact from fiction and movie stonewall. If you WANNA learn even more about the true story of what happened at Stonewall Eric was kind enough to share a bunch of fantastic resources that he recommends for you, and of course, there's Eric's own podcast called making gay history that has an entire season season five dedicated to the stonewall uprising. You can find all those resources as well as links to Eric's great books that I mentioned at the beginning of this episode in the show notes for this episode, as well as on the show home on the web based on a true story PODCAST DOT com. Okay. Now, it's time for the answer to our truth and ally game from the beginning of the episode and as a refresher here are the truth and one light number one. Danny winters did not toe the first brick at stonewall. Number to the stonewall uprising was organized by the first gay rights organization in the world. Number three the stonewall uprising led to the pride parades. We see today. Did you find out which one ally. Let's start with number one danny winters did not throw the first brick at wall. That is. True? And by true I mean that Danny winters did not throw the first brick of the uprising. As Erick pointed out, the character of Danny winters is a fictional character and quite problematic one since the implication the movie gives is of a white boy from the mid West having a big part at stonewall. downplays all the people of color who were really involved in the true story. That brings us to number two. The stonewall was organized by the first gay rights organization in the world. That is. That's the lie as eric explain at the end of our interview the first. Gay. Rights. Organization was founded in Berlin in the year eighteen, ninety seven. So long before the stonewall uprising in New York City in nineteen, sixty nine. Now, that was a surprise to you that the first gay rights organization was founded in eighteen ninety. Knowledge just illustrates how little of this history is known. That means number three is also true. The stonewall uprising led to the pride parades. We see today Eric gave us a great overview of how the uprising at stonewall led to the pride parades today that shine a light on gay rights issues around the world. That's also why June is pride month because the uprising stonewall started in June. That just about wraps up our time together today before we go the last thing I'd like to do on each episode is to share how much time and effort went into creating this episode I know that's not something a lot of podcast do and that's exactly why I'm doing it. I'm sharing this information if there's one thing that is surprising to most people who are new to podcasting or maybe they're not podcasting it all they'd never created a podcast. It's. The surprising thing is really just how much time it takes to create one. 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Coronavirus At Sea with Passenger Carl Goldman and Special Guest Dr. Robert Winters
"Corona virus on the high seas. Not so much. But in the port of Tokyo. As of this airing two hundred eighteen passengers and crew have shown positive results of the Krahn Tobias. Today we talked to Carl Goldman a passenger aboard the diamond. Princess currently quarantined in Port of Japan and doctor in Doctor Robert Winters a local infectious disease. Specialist is here to discuss the coronavirus and its implications for the future of global travelers and the world. I'm Tony Suite with Captain Ron. Please welcome to treat be told Carl Goldman and Dr Robert. Winter are is the applause. I know we always use this cheesy applause but I don't know if it's a bit today Tony but thanks anyway Well first of all I I WANNA say. Karl who is a radio station owner up in Santa Clarita What's it's funny that he not funny? Haha but funny that he actually owns a radio station and then he happens to be on this cruise and then I'm so fortunate that we could get Dr Robert Winters on an infectious disease doctor. So it's really great. So Ron is going to give some statistics. Let's jump in real quick. Tony we a couple of weeks ago. We covered this corona virus. We had Linda Moulton on right and at the time we were shocked how quickly we got to eight thousand people that were infected. Currently as of today The latest I've got out of the The World Health Organization is sixty four thousand four thirty five infected with the virus and Deaths are are now at thirteen eighty three thirteen. Thirteen eighty-three died from this three outside of China. So the numbers are going up astronomically fast. It seems to us at least Also as much and we got the the diamond cruise ship The Princess Cruise. Thirty seven hundred people on board quarantined in Yokohama. Since February third and so far they've Seven hundred seventy people have been tested. Two hundred eighteen of them have tested positive including some crew members. Thirty two of those people are Americans. Carl being one of them and ten people so far are considered in very serious condition onboard. That boat maybe Karl can give us some more insight on that and today as a matter of fact just before we came on here Tony. It turns out that In that port. They're starting the lead a few people off the ship. There's been eleven passengers as far as I know that they're not just letting them off their right. They're still under warranty. They have to be out there. The elderly patients if they're over eighty or they have a serious medical condition in one of these windowless rooms. They've let eleven people off the boat. Who now have to sit in a quarantine by the government facility till February nineteenth. So it's been no picnic. I'm sure car will tell us all about that but Why don't we go to the doctor now? Right telling the doctor winters Tell us about because we've heard a lot of doctors say oh it's just a big overblown and then there's other doctors saying that panic panic or at least you know be prepared. What is your thoughts? And what is your research on this new disease out there? I mean should we be scared or should just prepared good afternoon gentlemen? Well I can tell you this virus got onto my radar towards the very end of December. And I I've been impressed by the way the numbers have just been increasing On a daily basis I think everything and Madison. We always like to sort of put it in perspective and I wouldn't minimize what's going on with the corona virus on the other hand. I just throw out that. The reality is through Yesterday there have been twenty six million cases of influenza in in America and fourteen thousand deaths. So that's really. That's a huge problem. Sued Corona the current virus. You know this has legs to it and I have to say again I. I'm impressed with the increasing numbers and the figures that you cited at the beginning are the numbers that I have well over sixty four thousand Key documented cases. And that's probably still under reporting when it comes out of China right. That's where we wanted to talk about that doctor. You feel that they are actually higher. I fairly certain most healthcare professionals that have an interest in international epidemiology would agree that China tend to under report. First of all the number two as you may recall a couple of days ago. There was this huge increase in the number of reported cases because It was now based on clinical criteria instead of actually having a a a a laboratory results proving that it was corona virus so in one day they increased cases up to fourteen thousand while the reality is i. I think this virus in China is significantly more than sixty four thousand And I think it will continue to be a problem and eventually I think it will make its way to the United States in significant numbers not like influenza which I just voted twenty six million but I think it will continue to Bro. He gave a quick question for you. You just cited influenza there. I thought that the difference about the corona virus is the fact that the morale at Mortality rate is so high compared to influenza. It's dramatically lower. I think it's over two percent two point two percent or something. They're saying that's true. Influenza mortality is well below one percent this virus. The Crow virus clearly has an ability to be contagious and spread very very easily. And I think one of the most problematic issues regarding the viruses. People can spread this before. They themselves become Significantly ill or symptomatic. Now you have this potential group of people that otherwise feel well. And they have the ability to transmit this virus to uninfected people. And that's a real concern for sure. Yeah and saw Carl. I'm GonNa Bring you on because I mean you're like you said Ground Zero and I'm sure it was a shock when you got the news that you were quarantined but could you give us an account with what's going on now. Have the numbers right Risen on the boat The numbers still say a to eighteen but there are a lot of ambulances out there and sirens going so my suspicion is numbers are going to continue to increase. I'm sitting. It's early Saturday morning year in Yokohama. So I'm sitting out. They luckily move our ship. The diamond princess the opposite way after we went out to see a couple of days ago because I was looking for many days right on the dock and all the ambulances and roxy now. They've given us a change of scenery by turning this ship around. So I have a beautiful view of the Yokohama. Bridge and the entire skyline of Yokohama. As I sit here this morning yeah I have a couple of questions for the doctor First of all we've heard and there's been so much misinformation about this Not just from the ship but mostly social media and websites but as I understand it once. We finished our fourteen day quarantine. We're pretty much free of the virus. Correct I would agree with that with with a caveat or to the reality is if you're not being exposed to a general population of individuals that you yourself are self quarantined. Then we we do feel. The virus has a incubation period of between one and fourteen days. So if you've had no other you know person contact I would think that You're pretty safe after fourteen. Days ship is Rather closed environment. It's not like the general population of a city where he comes and goes so you folks are a real close population. I don't know exactly what they're doing on your ship. But if you are keeping yourself self quarantine yeah I would think that Fourteen days should be magic number. You just have to remember. This viruses spread very very easily through respiratory droplets coughing and sneezing through saliva. Actually TALKING TO SOMEBODY. There can always be a little bit of a spray when you're talking if you get really excited and all obviously can be spread through a nasal discharge as well so you can imagine a runny nose. Let alone sneezing creep. These huge Aerosol. If you're not exposed to that type of Individual I would think fourteen days Where you Not Come Down with. This would be a pretty good indication that you are not infected. We've been told that the virus can spread from our feet touching the floor from touching railings. elevator by is that true. A virus can stay active and in fact people at least the data. That's that I'm familiar with right now for several hours. And that's from the CDC and didn't really quantitative what several days. So I'll let you decide but The virus can still be infectious on surfaces for several hours after it's been contaminated by an infected individual so. I think you washing your hands Soap and water and the alcohol based hand. Sanitizers would be very very important to ship so doctor. You seeing that the doctor you saying that Karl could be in the clear here. Because he's passed the fourteen days he'll walk off the ship and run his hand on the railing and someone else had made me touch it and then become infected at that point absolutely. Hopefully if you're not infected now you can certainly pick it up b o subsequent to your Being told all clear so you'd have to be very careful. I think hand washing is very very important. Yes thank Carl. Had another question situation is we have been quarantine in our cabins. Will be in our Kevin's until February. Nineteen O Mikes But but what I believe happened was when when a passenger from Hong from Chinese and he got off the ship in Hong Kong. He four days later came down with a virus. We call him. Ground Zero. We raised back to Yokohama. Harbor was the tail end. The Last Day of our Sixteen Day Cruise. Yokohama hardware is about an hour outside of Tokyo and we were scheduled to fly back to Angeles that Tuesday Sunday night. They raised back to the harbour and kept US docked and then they've we were still had reign of the ship on Monday. Tuesday morning. They discovered ten more. They went and tested each of us and Tuesday on two on Tuesday morning. They came up with ten. More people came down with the virus and it seems so just spread after that and I think Dr you you hit the nail on the head when you said you can go three four five days without realizing you had the virus which was the case of Ground Zero patients. He didn't discover it until he was off the ship for four days and by then he probably had infected a good chunk of of of the Princess cruise passengers and then it spread from there. So we're now up to two hundred and eighteen right well represents about say that represents about seventy percent of what I would say that to get off the ship and get to your life. I would be I'd make every attempt to keep yourself isolated You know through February nineteenth if that's the target date and In hand washing the alcohol based hand sanitizers or are also very effective. You always look for a product that has about sixty percent alcohol by content if you're using the hand sanitizers but they are very very effective at getting rid of this virus in terms of you know regular soap and water and the hand sanitizer so don't get infected on your way out. That would be a disaster. Doc HOW DO THEY KEEP? How do they keep the? Because I'm sure there's events in every cabin how do they keep the virus from going through vents or can't go through we have it's a tango through vents but we've been assured by the princess authorities and by the way the Japanese health officials have all been on boarding station here? They brought in forty-eight more doctors about fifty five more nurses so we've got a full hospital Up here on the ship. What they have assured us is. The air that comes into our cabins is fresh air from the ship. It is not recycled there so we don't need to worry about that. We're delivering meals three times a day. We have to have masks on. We open up the door to get the meal from the crew Meals and as the doctor mentioned they've been giving us Hand Hand Sanitizer soap That has high alcohol and we also have gloves so princess and the health officials have been doing everything they can to keep this down to a minimum everyone. And how doc how do you think that they're gonNA KEEP? I mean like you said there's so many you know so. Many people infected with just the flu influenza. I mean how. How do we even Stop Org? Even try to stop a new virus that we really don't know anything thing about. Is it very similar to the flu or is it completely are? We just don't know well early on. I think a lot of these illnesses look the same right. The virus rhinovirus corona virus influenza. All these start very In a very similar way fever cough sore throat but the the the concerning feature of the corona virus obviously is the severe respiratory impact and It has a considerably higher death rate as we talked about influenza much higher than the common cold the adenoviruses and the Rhino viruses. That people tend to get it every year as well so I think that they are very similar. You takes a doctor and probably some good laboratory testing to differentiate something between the state influenza which we have a rapid test. We can tell people in the emergency room within a half hour of meeting them whether they have influenza A. OR B. We have a nice test or something called Respiratory Sushil virus. Rsvp we can get that answer in thirty minutes or less and you know the test is coming along for the corona virus as well as just a we may not have the number of kits available but that's also being wrapped up as I understand. Well we before we let you go because I know you're busy man I want to see if Carl or doctor. Captain Ron has any more questions I want to ask for. The ninety nine percent of these cases are clearly in China but we do have fifteen here in the United States. Eight of California Should people be concerned? What should they do? We have to wash your hands more often. What what what. What steps should people take right? Well look I if you listen to the CDC which I agree with the cases that we have in the United States really have. They are all related to either directly or indirectly related to someone that had traveled to China. So if you don't have that type of relationship With somebody then. I think you're at relatively low risk but I think that the reality is no one knows how this is going to play out and I think we have About six hundred people in quarantine ourselves in our country here. Obviously we're taking this very seriously If you don't have Exposure to some of this had international travel. I think your risk is much lower than somebody that obviously does have that Exposure but I would tell you a month from now We could have no one hundred times the number of cases that we have right now because they're sort of a critical mass unless you have a set number of people that have not been identified and they can now move this virus around The numbers could take off just like they did in China and we have a better healthcare system that I think in place in China does but it's still a work in progress. He ducked one last question for you. so people. Even the president have suggested that the Koran virus would go away by April just as temperatures warm How do you feel about that? Well I've a Lotta respect for leadership in this country but I think the CDC and notable people might feel a little bit differently and their opinion is that this may be around For close to a year I came out this morning but said that the CDC director this morning said that he expected to be around for a year. Yeah I I would probably agree with that We call it a novel. Toronto VIRUS THAT MEANS NOBODY HAS ANY ANTIBODY. protection against this virus so it's going to spread through our communities as it's going to and if you don't have antibody production that means you're going to get sick and then you're going to spread on you know to family members so. I think there's potential for this to be a little more Significant more than fifteen cases that we've described it could certainly go on longer than April Karl. We want to let him go ahead. Yeah I I was Gonna ask the ducks something that about a third day into this. The health officials gave each of us at digital thermometer. We are required now to take your temperature three times a day and of course more often if we show any signs any one with a temperature over ninety nine point five just immediately. Call the downstairs to the hospital here on ship and then they come up and do a saliva test that Sampo as you mentioned. Those kits are actor. They'll go back to a lab in Tokyo and takes about eighteen hours for us to get the results back and that's why our numbers have increased. Probably on a twenty four hour basis. My question is is this the Mamata the temperature a good sign and should then we advise everybody to get a digital thermometer and just be constantly monitoring each other? Yeah the short answer is absolutely. That's how we screen large numbers of people remember in America. The airports we were screaming a couple of airports and they expanded to seven or eight. And you just have people walking through these Scanners that record That that the temperatures of people so we know fever and cough are the hallmark of corona virus. So it be unlikely for anybody to have an active case of Corona Without a fever unless they were going to develop that you know two and three days later but yeah. That's the hallmark of infection fever and cough. You don't have that just beyond the lookout for it. Then well Dr Robert Winters. Md from here in local Los Angeles infectious disease. Doctor we thank you so much for being part of the show and giving your your your take and your research and experience in this and we really appreciate it. Yeah my pleasure Carl. I hope you get off the ship. The nineteenth comes around and stuff. Okay Take Care Karl. I have a question for you. Carl the have they give you any indication if you fly back to Los Angeles. Are you going to be sequestered and quarantined here? In the states. We thought so at first but the US embassy has issued a number of leases. They keep us updated on a daily basis. Us Embassy from Japan based in Tokyo and they referred us that no we will not be quantity dreamed of any back when we get back to the states. And once we leave the ship we are free individuals. And I I saw on. I was very curious about this. I saw a thing that your wife did. 'cause you're with your wife that she was saying that people were threatening threatening you and your wife not to come back. Is that right? Yeah well you Tony. You know better than anybody that social media can be a really big rabbit hole. No we've been you know we've been very out front there with both our blogs on hometown station dot com sharing a day today diary of what been going through in making you know keeping our sense of humor about it and then my wife's been doing yes lives facebook's rained and yes but you know it it gets down a percentage as we have one hundred thousand people will be watching it and they'll be ten yoyos making comments that are beyond stupid. Right and yeah. It's it's unfortunate. There's a good and bad to social media and Unfortunately have to see those once in a while but There's after the show you guys can go to Carl's Radio Station website hometown station DOT COM. You can find out. There's a lot more You know his right here. Yeah you can just go and check it out. Look at his Pages of of more details of what they went through but Carl. I know one thing about mental health where you know people stressed out your immune system goes down. How do you keep your mental state up? I mean being in your affirming trapped. Eight to eight feet with your wife. That's true but you know it's it's but after a while you can get cabin. Fever unintended And really kind of kind of get stressed out and in your immune system goes. How do you keep your mental health up? How do you keep that positively going? Yeah let's the ultimate test of our thirty one year we we we o one of the lucky ones we. We purchased a mini sweet when I gave this cruise as a gift for Christmas and her birthday present and we traveled with two of our closest friends. Who are in the cabin next to us. Which is rare for us to be able to get joining Kevin's but like the luck of the dice. Just happened when we first book this cruise on the first day of our crews and again we had fifteen of the sixteen days on the crews were wonderful cruise Cruise time we had. Princess opened the door between are too many sweets out on the balcony. So I can go back and forth into their room and vice versa. And that's what kept their marriage intact. I think you're lucky. Mean God. Some people are trapped. No windows able to and right right. There are people. I was on One of our excursions in Vietnam and I met a wonderful couple from Atlanta. They were in their eighties and they have been given the cruise as a gift by their grandson. They were in an inside cabin. No windows about a half the size of our Rome. Many sweet and the grandson and a friend were in there so this four in all my we met another. Yeah we met another American family. He's in the military and they brought their kids. They're in an inside cabin. So whenever we start feeling a little sir crazy we just think of them and and that any any version of US feeling sorry for ourselves out and we've also kept a sense of humor if you read my blog I've been we've been posting that every two days on hometime station DOT com. And we you know. We tried to show the reality of this and the serious and the seriousness of this but also put a humorous twist to it as we do throughout our lives. Thing that the lemonade on for sure and my my biggest thing is you said they bring you the food. I'm like well. How do you know there hasn't been from the time they cooked it the time you brought it to you that something didn't get infected airport? Yeah I would be afraid to even when you do but you have to eat so well. In coral they cancel everyone on the crew. Where masks so anything? Airborne is hopefully stop by the masks right and with health. And we've got so many Japanese health officials on board they're inspecting everything and clearing everything. It was only a few. We've been doing laundry in our bathtub and only been a few days ago when they health officials are now allowing the princess staff to do laundry as well for passenger yeah. I saw the video where your clothes hanging out on your balcony so I thought that was pretty Cruz where they cancelled the The rest of the cruisers for China for the rest of year blamed them and they've now cancelled flights in and out of China. So I mean I. I'm still worried Carl. I know they told you they're going to let you be Freeman. But I I bet then they just take another flight recently and they put them to an army barracks I thought in California is that right. Yes but those yes but those people who had not been quarantined for the fourteen days. I Sweden totally isolated. So so my feeling is that one. We hit that fourteen day mark on February nineteenth. We'll be less likely to be carrying the virus thing anyone else. I'd be afraid on that trip back an airplane. I make sure very careful who gets Sunday right. Like who are you well? We we know I was GonNa say we know you have a lot more to do but We really appreciate you being on the show and when you get back let us know because I'd love to to meet with you and and Make sure you're okay until your Wifi for us. I will I. Will I appreciate that. You Guys Take Care Karl Take Care of yourself thank you bye. That's crazy stuff. Tony in Japan. They said that. There's now I think it's at forty F- forty cases in Japan. That's what scares me. I mean it's Like he said he thinks it's way higher than that they're saying and and it's not that it scares me because like. I said we've heard the bird flu and Ebola so many things that have came before but these this this one is growing. Things are the speed of this speed because we had Linda on and and I had listened to her show and it was like at eight hundred people in a weak leader which you came on our show it was like an eight thousand right and now here. We are two weeks later. Words Sixty five thousand that we know of which the doctor and everybody else seems to be. Feeling that it's actually quite higher than the numbers that are giving out at least out of China so it's the rate that spreads and additionally Mortality Rate. Yeah all those other people have the flu. But they're not dying at two and a half percent right if you get this two and a half percent of them die. I like like he said two hundred eighteen people now on the ship are infected in twenty four hours. They're gonNA come out and they're going to say to thirty five or whatever. It is so at some point. Your number's up very well. Of course you know two percent and that's a di- but to at least get infection you know I mean that that's the concern so all right. Well we'll keep up on this and if we have any more breaking news about this we'll try to get some more information Out To you guys. If you have any questions please always leave. Comments Really Appreciate Carl. Goldman go to hometown station DOT COM and in Dr Robert Winters Infectious Disease Doctor for having both of those guys on taking their time out of the absolute and We appreciate you guys tuning in until next time. I'm twenty suite with Kipton Ron for Tributo takes case.
GSMC Book Review Podcast Episode 143: Interview with Tosca Lee
"Eh high fashion hotline to have an expiration date. No, why genes are stretched out where can I get you chance that last it's own maybe old navy? Yup. Right now, all jeans are up to fifty percents off starting at just fifteen dollars for adults ten dollars for kids of fifty percent of all jeans, even the new rockstar with never quit shape. Pretension your favorite fit now holds its shape, and hugs and all the right places. Where after where he goes today. Buy online pick up in store for free. I'm so they're all in ripped a fifty percent off all jeans at old navy. It'll maybe dot com valid three or four hundred fourteen styles only excludes in store clearance, Golden State media concepts. Bring you book review podcast haven for bookworm of all ages and the whitest genres from mystery to memoirs romance to comedy fantasy to scifi if you love to read this is the podcast for you. It's the Golden State media concepts book review podcast. Hello and welcome to the G S. NC Booker view podcast. Brought to you by the MC podcast network. I am your host, Sarah. And I am here. Once again with you with another author interview as I mentioned at the end of the episode on Tuesday, we have a it's a thrilling kind of weak because we have our second author interview about second thriller this week. I hope that you tuned in on Tuesday for EA Mars interview about his book the unrepentant today, as I mentioned, I am speaking with author toss go Lee about her new thriller, and it is called the line between let me give you the description of that book if I can find it. I just had it there. It is sorry. So when winter Roth is turned out of new earth a self contained doomsday cult on the American prairie. She emerges into a world poised on the brink of madness as a mysterious outbreak of rapid early. Onset dementia spreads across the nation. As winter struggles to start over in a world. She's been taught to regard as evil. She finds herself face to face with the apocalypse. She's feared all her life until the night. Her sister shows up at her doorstep with a set of medical samples that night winter learns there is something far more sinister at play. And that these samples are key to understanding the disease now as the power grid fails and the nation descends into chaos winter must find a way to get the samples to a lab in Colorado uncertain who to trust she takes up with former military man chase Miller who has his own reasons for wanting to get close to the samples in her possession. And to winter herself. That is the description for the line between the new thriller by Toscano Lee. And this book sucked me in from the beginning. It. It's yeah. I mean, I know I said this lot. But it's a page Turner it I loved the concept. I mean, I love the concept of young woman who has spent fifteen minutes fifteen years of her life, the majority of her life in this doomsday cults. It's all she's known since she was seven and now she suddenly exiled from it and back out into mainstream life where the doom dum say seems to be happening. The apocalypse seems to be coming. It is this kind of great juxtaposition of what she's been taught and then learning to live in the so-called normal world only to find that world is kind of going a little bit crazy with this new disease that is out this this mysterious outbreak. I really enjoyed winter as a character. I enjoyed some of the secondary characters as well. I really loved the way Tosco writes in that she explorers relate. Ships throughout the book. There are flashbacks as we learn more about winters time at new earth. We learn more about her relationship with her sister. And then as we watch her grow once she leaves the compound and has to learn to live differently, and she doesn't really even get that much time to learn to live differently before she is thrust into this seemingly impossible situation where she has tried to get these samples to Colorado, which of course, is not as simple as it sounds because you know, as I said things are going crazy. And there's adventure there's action. There's danger. There is all of those wonderful things that make a thriller. So great to read because they suck you in. And as I've mentioned before thrillers aren't always my go-to genre, but thrillers like, this are definitely my favorite. Because it is about the action. It is about the. That page turning nature where you just have to keep reading to find out. What happens? Think before I really started reading thrillers a lot more than I had before. I tend to think of them as gay. Scary or violent or and sometimes they can be of course. Right. But there's also there's there's so many different genres or different types of I guess you'd call thrillers. And this is one of those that. Yeah. I couldn't get enough of it actually finished. It went. Oh, shoot. I I'm not ready to be done. So it is a it's a page Turner. That is for sure if you are interested in this book, I do have copies to give away. So stay tuned until the end of the episode to find out how you can enter to win those copies. In the meantime, though, let's go ahead and get to that interview with toss gusts. You can hear what she has to say about the book. Again, the book is the line between it came out January twenty ninth. And here is the interview with the author toss Colleen. Hi tosco. Welcome to the podcast. Thank you Sarah for having me so excited to be here. I am excited to have you here. And we are here to talk about your new thriller the line between before we get to the book. Vo if you could tell us a little bit about yourself. That would be wonderful. Okay. Well, I live in the midwest. I live in Nebraska where right now, we've got a lot of snow. I am married to a farmer. So I do a lot of my writing upstairs in the I caught the attic. But it's really just the upstairs of the old farmhouse, and I have four step children three of which are are still at home, and I write fulltime. So there's always a book in some part of the process going on with the across my desk somewhere and one of my favorite things to do is to get out meet reader, so I love any opportunity to meet leaders face to face. Thank you so much for that. So as I said, the book is the line between can you tell us a little bit about about it. Yes. So the line between is the story of a young woman. Twenty two year old winter Roth is her name, and she has just been kicked out of a doomsday cult on the American prairie in Iowa. And she is attempting to start life over in the outside world, which she's been taught to regard his business evil place. And as she's trying to start her life over this pandemic has begun to spread across the the US. And so for her it, it really looks a lot like the apocalypse that she's always been told was coming. And so it's the story of her starting over. It's the story of how she becomes entangled with what is going on with this this disease in there's a lot of running your life and a mad chase across the midwest going on in the story. So. Yeah. And it's it's interesting that that juxtaposition between her coming out of the the kind of apocalyptic doomsday cult into what feels like a the time. Yeah. Because she's basically I mean everybody's scared, but she's even more terrified because like, oh, no. You know, what I was told? And now, I'm on the wrong side of the colts. She was in was self contained and it had walls. And so for her. There's this this moment of panic and thinking, I'm on the wrong side of this whole thing. So yeah. Yeah. Your inspiration for the story. Well, you know, I had I had a couple of different ideas. And so I had a separate idea about writing the story of a young woman starting over after leaving a Colt. I've always been fascinated with colts in, you know, I've come to find through the story in the feedback in the reviews. There are a lot of people who are really fascinated with Colt. So I'm not alone in that. And then I I was really interested. When I came across this headline, I was just growing. Through social media when night night. I saw the headline about a reindeer in Siberia that had melted out of the permafrost and this ranger carcass. It turns out was full of anthrax and it made a local village sick and a wide. And I started looking, you know, for more about this melting permafrost, you know, climate change and all this in. There are a lot of articles actually about the, you know, scientists basically being kind of nervous about what could be coming out of the permafrost fascinating kind of scary stuff. So I went to a meeting in New York with my publisher. And I it was kind of at that time where you know, you go discuss what what you might right next. And kind of what's coming up. I was between books in. So I had a shortlist of favourite ideas. And these two ideas this idea of you know, permafrost. Disease pandemic thing in the cult idea were on the shortlist along with a couple of others in as we were discussing them. My publisher said, you know, I really like these two, but I think you should put them together into one book, and I I really hadn't thought of that. But I think it worked out. Well, when I wish I could take credit for that. But I can't. Well, it's it's nice that you gave credit where where it was too. Well, yeah. Have to. And then talk about winter as the main character, what about her new think will resonate with readers while winter? And so in her name is spelled W Y N T E R, and she's actually named after my stepdaughter whose name is winters felt the same. And she's you know, she's very determined. So I I know that many of us cannot identify with this idea of having come out of a Colt. But I think I think that we have all felt like we are kind of not belonging at some point in our lives in this is something that she goes through quite intensely when she comes back out into the secular world feeling like she doesn't quite fit in. And I think we we can all identify with that. She's very smart, very resourceful. And I think that we as readers enjoy reading about smart and resourceful main characters that we can really get behind cheer for. And she's she's she's a strong young woman. She just doesn't know it. And so I think those are the kinds of things that that will resume. She's also dealing with. She comes to realize that she's dealing with a little PTSD, and that she has OCD obsessive compulsive disorder, which is something that I. Have actually, and I think, you know, at the more that I write more that I include characters who are are dealing with various issues that have to deal with mental health the more. I find that so many so many people in so many readers are also dealing with a lot of these kinds of challenges. And so. You know, I think some people may identify with that aspect as well. Yeah. Absolutely. Excuse me. Well, I jump in here. So we can take our first break of the podcast when we come back. We'll be talking more about another character in the book and kind of her relationship with winter as the main character, and that is winters mom's best friend kind of a surrogate aunt to winter and her sister. So stay tuned. You're listening to the MC book review podcast, and I will be right back. Hi fashioned not line. Two teams have an expiration date. No, why why genes are stretched out where can I get Q chance at last? It's maybe old navy. Yup. 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But the character of Julie who is winters mom's best friend is really amazing. Because she's so it's kinda matter of fact, you know, she he goes, and she gets winter when winters kicked out, and she does everything she can, you know, because that's that mom role. But she really does it in a way that so nurturing. And like, I said matter of fact, she that she doesn't like freak out because young woman has been an occult for fifteen years. And is right. Not quite what we might call normal. Yeah. I like I like Julia lot. And thank you for mentioning her because she's not someone who's brought up in conversation a lot but around this book, but she goes, she's she's very she comes across. I think a little brusque in a little short sometimes. But she is she has nurturing. And she's just very like go get it done. She has no tolerance for stupid people. She has no tolerance for you know, crazy people or any of that stuff, which is funny because the world is starting to go crazy. That's what this pandemic does. Right. So yeah, she's she's kind of a fun one. I like her and she's the same with the PTSD like she it's not this whole like, oh, just, you know, get over it kind of thing or or look to see if it gets better. She's just like, okay. We're going to take you the doctor. We're going to get you to take you to a therapist. We're gonna we're gonna take care of. Yeah. Yup. So yeah. Mental health. I definitely appreciate that. Julia. Yes. She was fun. I liked her a lot. Yeah. You touched on this a little bit. But are there any auto biographical elements within the book or the or the characters anything? Well, there's there's that part with the OCD issue and stuff, but you know, up in a very very strict church. So I might have drawn a little bit from that. I didn't. I mean, I can't identify with the, you know, the self contained Colt aspect per se. But you know, there was a time in my life. When I did feel like I didn't quite fit in with the stuff that my friends were into because a lot of that. I wasn't allowed to do. For instance. When I finally started listening to the radio, I wasn't with any music on the radio, and I practically had to give myself a in education in pop culture. So you know in that in that regard. I do kind of identify a with winter in that way. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's there's a lot of a lot of details in the book what kind of research. Did you do? I mean, you talked about the article that you read among them hermit frost. But what other kinds of research? Did you do? Yeah. Well, this particular diseases the prion disease, and it's a it's a prion disease that ends up kind of mixing with a virus with influence a which I got while. I was writing this book. Oh, jeez. It was like three sleep. You know, I'm gonna write a book now about someone who can author who wins the lottery next because apparently. Yeah. What are you feeling happen? Were you feeling a little paranoid a little bit? I mean, I was like really serious in. This was just last year when we had that horrible flu. Remember how terrible the flu was. And it was like seriously because it was just a terrible year for flu. And so. You know, I was learning a lot of out how diseases can you know, they mingle like this. This is how Spanish flu was happened. You know, they the kinda swap DNA. And then you get these terrible pandemics. I did a lot of research into prions. My sister's doctor, so she kind of helped me design this kind of designer disease. I guess. And I so there was that part. But I also am I also researched quite a lot about colts. What it's like for those who leave them all different kinds of colts found fascinating stuff, and I might have gone to the Colorado state campus in stock the micro biology building once or twice. Just you know to make sure kinda describing it right? So that too. Yeah. I saw on your website that this book is possibly being developed for television. Yes. It's in development. Yup. Fun stuff. Yeah. How how involved are you as the author in that if at all? You know, that's really going to depend a lot on the show runner and writer and the people who become attached to the project. So the dive worked with these producers before they are the same ones who have developed and sold. My other thriller, the progeny, and they're wonderful to work with this this radar pictures. I'm talking about in at Burns's group, which is called Marlborough Marlborough road gang productions, I can never say Marlboro hard word hits. Yeah. And they're wonderful people. I've so enjoyed them. And I have so enjoyed their work on behalf of these projects. So they know that I'm there to consult if need be, but I also, you know, I'm not one of those people that really I'm not I'm not an artist or writer who freaks out when other people come in to work on something or come in change it because. For me. It's kinda like creating a playground. And then wanting to see how other people play on that playground. So it's fun for me to watch the whole process. Yeah. Yeah. Fun. You mentioned other books, and you do you do have many other books are there any other writings that? You'd like to highlight today on on the puck yet, you know, the upcoming one this September the sequel to the line between comes out, and it's called a single light. And so it is the continuation and conclusion of winter's journey, and I so enjoyed writing that book, and it went very quickly and part of part of why I enjoyed it so much as probably because I wrote one of my favorite characters I've ever written. It's it's not a character that I had really envisioned in detail head of time. I just knew that there was this character at the certain spot, and I it just I the character just kind of stole my heart a little bit. So I'm really looking forward to introducing raiders to a single white when it comes out in septem-. Over. Yeah. Actually, I was I was hoping there might be a sequel because it it sorta wraps up, but definitely room. Yeah. Yeah. There's there's. There's it's like, you know, that there's there's more to. Yeah. That can happen. So yes, there is a sequel coming out. So I know wait, no. So wasn't like. A huge. I did this really mean thing at the end of the project. I did this like massive clipping or because I think it's kind of fun, especially when the second one comes out, then you're you can go right on. But I had a few people who definitely wanted to kill me. I didn't do as big, you know, big dumped on dawn like that. You know? Don't make us wait like ten or twenty years for the. Yeah that. Yeah. That's terrible. That's okay. And then that comes out in September. Are you currently working on another book? I am I've got an historical book that is just getting the final touches kind of reshaped on it. And then we will take that one out and look for a home for it. And then I've got another thriller that is just in the very early stages, and we will be looking for a home for that too. So. What a what about the thriller genre draws you of the writer? You know, I really enjoy keeping readers up late. I consider kind of fun personal challenge in kind of a badge of honor. Whenever I hear from readers that they couldn't put the book down or they stayed up too late or they called in sick to work or whatever not that. I advocate for that. But you know, I still kinda like. I think it's fun. And I think that the the pacing drillers have very distinct quick pacing. And you know, they are meant to have the twists and turns that that we turn the fiction for an may not it's not the same as like a big epic historical, which I've done those before too. But the pacing is so different. And it's it's fun for that. You know, it's not a long meandering journey. It is a roller coaster. So yeah, I like the thrills. And the reveals there's always the kind of the, you know, the surprises in the twists. I like that part, right? Yeah. I think ended in this book, I don't want. You know, I'm not going to give anything away. But things keep being revealed about especially relationships like winters relationship with her sister like tell that kind of started in one place or seem to and then grew as the grew. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of fun, and they'll be more of that in the book to come to. So and a lot of those. You know, the fun thing about writing it is you know, you can plot to your heart's content. But I find that there's always something that happens comes up that. I didn't really see coming until that moment. And then it's like, oh, will you know, this needs to happen? Right. It's fun. When you get to be surprised. It's time to go ahead and take our second break of the podcast. But when we come back, we will have not only the conclusion of the interview, but we'll be talking more about when toss Kus started writing some of her favorite authors. John, RAs, etc. So stay tuned. You're listening to the GMC book review podcast, and I will be right back. Hi fashion line. Two teams have an expiration date know why my jeans are stressed out. Where can I get you chance at last? It's maybe navy. Yep. Right now, all jeans are up to fifty percent off starting at just fifteen dollars for ten dollars for kids of fifty percent of all James, even the new rockstar with never quit shape. Pretension your favorite fit now, hold its shape, and hugs and all the right places. 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There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching, the Golden State media concepts podcast network is here. Nothing less than podcast bliss with endless hours of park cast covered from news, sports, music fashion. Looking entertainment fantasy football so much more. So stop lurking around and go straight out to the Golden State media concepts podcast network, guaranteed to fill that podcast is whatever it may be. Visit us at WWW dot MC podcast dot com. Follow us on Facebook and Twitter and download on itunes soundcloud and Google play. Welcome back to the GMC Booker view podcast. And the conclusion of my interview with toss Kelly about her new thriller the line between when did you start writing? And it was something that you'd always wanted to do. Or did you come to later in life? You know, I I always wrote. And I was first published when I was in third grade, actually, well, my teacher had suggested that I write an article for pet lovers newsletter. And this was back in the day when newsletters were printed in mailed to actual real mailboxes. And so I did I wrote a an article about the death of my bulldog. And so that was the first thing in I used to win contests and stuff, but I I really was pursuing a future as a classical ballerinas. So that was my all consuming passion. I just I wanted to dance I danced, you know, a lot of hours all the way up until I was about sixteen probably, but I had an injury in my teen years that just really kind of took a tour groin in took a lot of time to come back from the head. I I grew six inches. You know, it kind of became apparent that? Maybe this wasn't going to happen. Such a competitive, you know thing you have to be able to do this lawyer young. And so it went off to college and I was back visiting during spring break my freshman year. I don't know who goes home to Nebraska for spring break. I mean of all the places to go in a way, you're likely just as likely to get snowed on or as to have a seventy degree day. Right. But I was missing I was talking with my dad, and I was talking about them when my favorite books of all time, which is miss savannah Savan in it said a historical novel about the women behind king Arthur's throne, and I was talking about what loved about this book, and how a great book is like a roller coaster, even if it's not the thrower kind. You know, even if it's just an emotional roller coaster, and I that day, I blurted out, you know, I think I'd like to write a book because I just wanted to know if I could create something like that for someone else to enjoy and my dad made me deal that day in he said, okay. Look, I I was supposed to come back this summer and work at a Bank as a Bank teller, which I was terrible at and. And that was awful I numbers in. I don't get along. Very well, I can tell you a story about where the money went. But don't ask me. Right. Right. My dad said I will pay you what you would have made the summer working at the Bank. If you spend your summer writing your first novel, and you treat it like a job allow, and I said, okay. Absolutely. And so that summer I came back, and I gathered up my research because of course, I couldn't just do like a contemporary thing. I had to write this epic historical novel about the people of the Stonehenge people celebrate plane England in you know, yet Neil Avalon was your inspiration. Of course. I know right. I know right. And I remember thinking gosh, this is really hard. And how do I organize all this research and? The challenges that actually do go into writing a book Syros my first novel that summer, and it was not good in. It's still in the basement. So, but you know, that's how you learn to write novels as you, right? Also. So, but that's when I knew and the following summer, I sent off to riders house, which is one of the premier literary agencies in New York. And I finally got this letter back, and they they said even after reading this the twenty three page synopsis, never twenty three pages. Still not sure what this book is about. No said that my characters were two dimensional in my plot lack tension because I didn't really know, you know, that you need attention all the stuff. But in the letter they said, but it is strangely. Reminiscent of clan of the cave bear, which was another one of my favorite novels. And so what I took away from the experience was that my because light clan of the cave there. And I was like I'm gonna do this again. So. I was I was hooked by then. So it took me a long time to write my next one. But that's kind of how it started. I love it you that you took the rejection and pinpointed the one thing that gave you and excitement wonderful. I don't know or delusional, whatever. Well, there's a fine line. Yeah. You know, you have to kind of be willing to see every single positive. You can. And you have to be willing to hang in there. You know for a long time sometimes to do this job. So. And so in addition to mist of Avalon and Clinton cave bear who are some of your favorite authors, and John rose when you read. And I've always loved Dan rice ah. She's just such a master. But I more than favorite authors. I tend to have you know, favorite books in books that in touch me deeply books that I just really enjoyed. I recently read dark matter by Blake crowd. She did wayward pines, which was also TV show. Just totally enjoyed it. It was smart. It was fast. I just I enjoy all different kinds of books. I like David sedaris, I like his humor I like an Lamont like her humor. I like I like thrillers. I like reading romance a like historical. You know, I'll read kind of pretty much anything like young adult fiction to snow. Yeah. Pretty much anything. Too many names because I have a lot of friends who are authors. So I always feel like if I start naming and I'm gonna pickle and like you're on hundred get someone. Yep. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Well, we won't put you under that pressure. Okay. You have a website. So tell people the address of the website, and where they can find you on social media. Okay. So the website is toss co lead calm, and it's just T O S C A L E dot com, and I'm on pretty much all the social media, and those links are all on my website too. But I'm on the mollahs Tosco Lee. So pretty easy to find enough. Thank you for that. Yeah. As we are wrapping things up. Is there anything else that you would like to talk about that? We haven't covered in terms of writing or your books or anything at all. You know, I get I get asked alive about tips for writers and that one and should gonna ask you that question. Perfect. Perfect. Because a lot of people who read in love to read also want to write as happened with me. So the the number one tip. I always get I call it. My number one rule of writing is to write like, no one will ever read it in a no that that seems counterintuitive because especially if you're writing for publication. But the reason I say that is because if you can write like that right? Like, you're you know, in your closet with a flashlight writing secret stuff, then you'll ride all the good stuff, you'll write the authentic, genuine stuff. And then you're not worrying about what people are going to think. What your parents your co workers, or, you know, your pastor shrank, or whatever you're not gonna worry about what people think, and you can always go back at it. And censor later if you need to. So I always say that in in my number two rule is always just, you know, finish the book. I get I get asked a lot from by people. You know, how do I get an editor? How do I get an agent in? I always say well is your book done in. They're like, no, I just have an idea. Or I just started like, Nope. Nope. Don't worry about that. Just finished the book. I because you you can't even approach those people until you've gotta finished manuscripts. So and by then, you know, they might be in the publishing industry changes so much those people might be different publishing houses, or you know, a lot can happen in the time that it takes to write a novel. So just finished the book in don't get hung up on rewriting the beginning over and over. I've done that before I don't recommend it. You'll never finish that way. So just plug ahead and get it done, even if it's messy in it will be messy and parts of it will be stupid in parts of it will be brilliant. And you know, that's what editing and rewriting is for to figure all that stuff out. So plug head and finish the book. Thank you so much. April. Thank you so much for taking time out of your Nowy snowy day shoot. Shoot about your book. Oh, there's not a lot happening today. Sure. But if I can save you from shoveling, then that's great. Yes. I appreciate that very much. Intention of stepping outside that doors. I don't blame you. Yes. So the curb book is the line between and then the sequel to that comes out in September. I am excited. So thank you again. Thank you so much. Thanks for having. Thank you. Once again to my guest toss Kelly for taking the time to talk to me about her new thriller the line between I so enjoyed the book. And I so enjoyed speaking with Tosca about it as I mentioned at the beginning of this episode. I do have copies of this book to give away. So if you are interested in reading the line between it's pretty simple. You just have to go to our Facebook, Instagram or Twitter page and comment on this episode. It's episode one forty-three interview with tusk, oh, we just comment on the one of those posts Facebook, Twitter or Instagram, and you will be entered in to win a copy of the line between please do also share and like and follow and all of those good things on social media. But in order to enter the giveaway, you do have to comment, so yeah, definitely enter if you are looking for a great action filled page Turner of a book, thank you again to toss Cathay. Thank you as always to you, my listeners. I so appreciate you. And the feedback that I get from you. I hope you're having a wonderful week. I hope that you will join me again on Tuesday when we have a returning author coming on the podcast that is Cynthia diamond who will be joining me on Tuesday to talk about her fifth book in her weird series. That is called starting fires. So definitely join me on Tuesday. In the meantime, I hope you have a wonderful weekend. 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REShow: Brian Windhorst. Hour 3 (06-03-20)
"Thank you for listening to this podcast? One production now available on Apple podcasts podcast one spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast. Is the rich Eisen show. It pains me to have sort of anger. I sat here in this chair in December, and I retweeted it over the weekend when my dad passed away, God rest his soul, asking everybody to pull together. Reach out love looking at the color of somebody's skin and thinking they're less than two Hewlett being. We're talking about earlier. On the show, NFL network reporter Jim Trotter wrote Football Hall of Famer Michael Irvin coming up for a football hall of Famer Ed Free Plus ESPN NBA insider. Brian winters and now. which is. Our number your three, our final hour of this edition of the rich Eisen show. We already had Michael Irvin on our program. Read is going to be calling US shortly here in a second and. William We had Ed Reed joining us He's GonNa be on Horner's second. Brian Horses the name I wanted to say from ESPN worldwide leader in sports. He's going to be joining us. As the NBA A board of governors as they liked to be. Known will vote tomorrow on a return to play action, and it's got all everything. It's got the where it's got the win. It's got the how. It's got everything and we're suing everything's button up on the the health and safety protocol, and whose common with the players and Boys that exciting. And July thirty first is when the ball will be up in the air, and we're GONNA see some action in. We'll be tuned in. I'll tell you that. And then Meena meanwhile Joe. Sherman of the New York. Post is tweet and what Chris Brockman. We covers baseball. Yeah, you're. Saying I just added sorry He's he he, he said that pessimism on both sides all time. I heard greater pessimism today from folks on both sides about MLB launching season than at any point come on, people who previously thought the size would find a way now, expressing at least greater doubt, dot acceptable. To simple words, not acceptable, and it'll be rejected. The Union's one hundred. Proposal try again. Keep trying. But Brian winters will be joining us and as I mentioned. I had Michael Irvin on in the first hour. Pro Football fame. The same thing could be said about this gentleman, one of my favorite people on planet Earth Ed Reed here on the rich Eisen show. How are You ed? Going that I am I. AM better for talking to you and. What's on your mind Ed. How are you feeling today? What's going on between those hall of Fame Temple Yours? Makes it now is leaving my house? probably guys. You get bad reception. Call Fail. pinned back to civilization. But I'm good man. Live T, I have been up playing music. Quarantine trying to keep people. Spirits lifted up and. In, they'll give some positive bias to this world with everything going on between the CO that. You know and he. Posey thousand now we've got protesters. Protesting and losing you know So A lot on the mind is always taking it through. Because at the same time you know I. Got I got a son. Of? My nephews, you know I got a bunch of kids that my foundation help. Also you know you gotta think about the future. Has Look at. What was happening now and thinking that it's over. You know this is not this is not. This is not the end in. The beginning you know so staying about these kids men that future. What can we do to make sure that the kids that you're referring to I? Met Your beautiful family. An all of them at your pro football hall of fame celebration. As met met met as many as I possibly could. What do you want people to know to make the future a better place, ed. Italy's we gotTA. We gotTA. We gotta have some communication. Have Better Communication. You know we got. We got Adjust the elephant in the Monkey. You know people. In the room, the elephant in the room as people, you know we've been a lot of years. You know, and and it's not like it's hidden in our face. You know what I'm saying and everybody needs to speak on it. Everybody from from all walks of life from all backgrounds knits creed. We. A sport like football baseball basketball soccer. You play sports when you have when you on the team with people from different walks of life. You know and you have to look at each other and a penalty count on each other you know race and all that stuff goes out the window in the locker room. You know so. We need really. A Lot sports and I heard. You call coming back in having meetings with. Miami at Chief of staff and I know some stuff about football, too. You know, but and people people on my live Ridge and WanNa. Talk Sports I'm like there's so much more going on in the world you know. Talk Sports but. Things to be worrying about. What you pick that, pick the phone up there. Talk to talk or could do that Chris over there. You there. We're losing you a little bit. Yes you argue are going in and out so I mean just a couple of things that what you were saying right there that we did pick up. Add, and that is. Saying. When he'd everybody from different walks of life. You know stepping up. These stepping up. And and and working together. You know. We. said. This rose coaching function as a as a team does. You know and then Auden win a championship order to be successful. You gotta be on the same page. You know the bill is you have to? You have to have some Accountabilities of discipline? Focus you saying. Taking care of your fellow man regards his background. He's all your team. He's a teammate. He needs your help you help. Well, so let me just ask you this question Ed. In particular you know again you've been out and about see my not have heard that. The head coach of the the Denver Broncos Vic Fangio said he doesn't see racism in the NFL and I think he's kind of referring to what you're saying is that race doesn't matter once you walk in the locker room, but you have been part of the coaching community in the NFL. See Anything on that front the way that the NFL has. Approached hiring of coaches at all add man regardless to his background. He's all your team. He's a teammate. He needs to help you help. Well. Let me just ask you this question at. This particular you know. Again you've been out and about see might not have heard that. The head coach of the Denver Broncos, Vic Fangio said he doesn't see racism in the NFL and I think he's kind of referring what you're saying is that race doesn't matter once you walk in the locker room, but you have been part of the coaching community in the NFL. Do you see anything on that front the way that the NFL has? Approached hiring of coaches at all add. Boy Okay. Place him back on hold and see if he's GonNa get into a better spot. Favorite Christmas. Pick up the phone talk to make sure that he's got a a a good sale reception there. So because again. Ed has got at Ed as you know. He was part of coaching world. Did he drop off their dropped? To took a coaching gig with the bills. And I know I. Think if he wants to get into coaching. There's a certain coach. I do believe in In New England might be interested him. Bill at one of his fair. Time. I know. And we had again Jim Trotter on in the in the first hour again. FANGIO's comments what he said Jim. Trotter was talking about Fangio's comments in the first hour of our program. That in the locker room is what he means that. Look. You can read into whatever you want to to read about vic. FANGIO's comments about there's racism in the NFL and a bunch of players took took him to task for that sort of thing. But you did hear Ed basically say that once you walk in the locker room. Race doesn't mean anything, and that's the sort of teamwork that I guess that we all need in. The world I if you will writ large. On that front. Trying to get back on no problem, but eh did ed did take some time. trying to coach. An is I forgot about that. He's involved at Miami. With the University of Miami, football? Was the. One or two times ago when we talked to Ed, He wants to be college head coach, I know. He does want to do something like that. So I mean. who better than a great safeties? He doesn't know a tough. He sure does Let me sneak in a phone. Call here and I run the risk of of Ed pop back on the phone line. who should we take here? Let's go to a busy back on the phone line right now. Now. Eight, four, four, two, zero, four rich number. Dial right here. Let's go to Bernardo in Santa Clarita California. WHAT'S UP Bernardo? Bernardo. Go Blue. Rich Go Bernardo. Take the phone away from your mouth and let's talk. Let's have a conversation. What's on your mind? All Right? We'll go blue. Ridge Jack, Del. Tufo, yeah, thanks for calling what what's up cages, daddy somebody. I just wanted to let you guys know over the weekend. It's been a whole lot going on and. On Monday I couldn't believe how much I was running for your voice, man and And it was really like a moment of just like Oh. Gosh, what's going on with everything else? In the world we lost rich to and then came back on Tuesday morning, and you spoke to what you did, and it was exactly what I was hoping here. And I just I. Just want to send you. Guys got a big hug. and. Then, just say also give a shout out to the the sheriff. Art Vado I saw Houston somebody's police officers that I've seen behaving. Taking alongside protesters, taking care of them, making sure everybody's safe. Just. That's the kind of unity we need. That's the kind of no. That's what I want to see more of on TV. And if anybody's out there, taking advantage of these protests You're an idiot. Go Home! Appreciate the call. Thank you. Again, we're not here on Monday. As many of you may have seen across the country there was. A lot of civil unrest in the streets of Los Angeles and certain streets of Los Angeles that. We rarely see that sort of activity. And after coming together and having a conversation with At NBC S in all of us here together, we decided. Monday would be A. Time for us to. Not. Be here and make sure that everyone was safe and stay at home and come back. Eight four four two four riches the number to dial that we lose our phone bank to. Enter will also Internet in here. Hold on, we're going to Shall We Dombi? How `Bout we take a break right here on the rich Eisen show, and then we'll come back and and hopefully have had read, and then Brian Windhorst will join us, and more of a phone calls right here. Eight four, four two four riches than ever the Dow. Right here on the program. Do. You Own or rent your home. Sure you do and I bet it can be hard work. You know what's easy. 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We're going to focus a little bit here on what appears to be. An all the NBA fans have been waiting for and sports. Fans is what we need, certainly, if baseball according to Joel. Sherman of the New York Post. Certainly, if he going to report. That baseball, he's hearing more pessimism I've heard greater pessimism today from folks on both sides about Major League baseball launching a season than at any point. People previously thought the sides would find a way now. Pressing at least greater doubt often more than that. My I'm to be a broken record on this. I'M I love baseball? More, than most I'll say it. I know I'm viewed as a football guy because I've been with NFL network for as long as I ban with NFL network, and I greatly appreciate. People watching me their last seventeen plus years, but before I was in NFL Network Guy I was a major league baseball announcer. When I wasn't doing sports, I did more baseball games than. Anything outside a sports center that I did. I I love the sport. I want nothing but success for this sport I love watching baseball with my kids. The thing that gets me the most nostalgic or the most I guess you know. With my my stomach gets a not where I miss sports and I WANNA. Talk Sports and I. Miss It the V. The visuals I see on. Twitter and other social media of kids catching foul balls, I think there was one that is a one year anniversary of some kid, catching a foul ball, and celebrating it and I. Think Baseball tweeted it out. I miss it. And I know that fans won't be there. But. This is an opportunity. For Baseball. And they've got to realize that whatever the battle is next year. Whatever the. Battle is for next year. Alright is got to. Be Set. For next, year. If that's what's going on if that's what's happening right now. And if that's happening right now, Dan somebody's gotta get their outfits Manfred I. Don't know it's Tony Clark. I don't know if it's. Name name a player that's on there executive, council or whatever you want to say, it's to be somebody. And it's got to be somebody that gets these guys together if this is if we've reached this point and and I I, I've been unfortunately well to versed. In, Labor, disputes. being from the set of sportscenter back in the day, and joined ninety six, after what happened with baseball and ninety four was a local sports caster, but I needed. I needed my baseball fixed back then so I kind of paid attention everything and have been involved in labor disputes in the NBA and the NHL and then of course with the NFL lockout in two thousand eleven. Both sides gotta realize and stare into the abyss. I and I. Don't know if we've reached that moment yet because it is June third, and if you want to have a significant amount of baseball season. Than, we've gotTA. Get somebody together now. You want to have fifty games. Before a a baseball playoff season goes down. You gotTa have it now. You gotta get guys up to speed now. You gotta get some stuff going on now. Can't throw your hands up. Baseball can't do it. Just simply can't do it. Man I honestly do not know. If this is the real deal or not. You, know what I mean I don't know if this is the real deal or not. But if if it is staring into the abyss and get it done. Can't throw your hands up certainly if basketball's getting, it's you know what together? And joining me now right now from the worldwide leader in Sports is one of their lead basketball information men love the conversations I had with Brian Windhorst towery. Brian. So, this is the real deal, is it? We're getting it. Is this happening? Basketball's back. I mean. We've had a long run a very dark day. This is a good moment i. don't WanNa. Be I WANNA rain on that moment. The vote of the owners. Tomorrow is not going to decide whether or not. There's NBA basketball I. Know what it's GonNa. It's GonNa. Seem Life. Okay. What could have decided them be? Basketball is if the virus continues to receive or being a place where you feel comfortable doing that. And like I am right with everybody. Let's talk about the twenty two. Let's talk about this scenario. Let's talk about that's married, but I'm already sensing that people are forgetting the whole reason why going on its way which is. There's gotta be safety you know and today for the had a number of new cases and six weeks now. That doesn't mean that everything's GonNa, be position where she'll come through that in two months, but just. So when people say the basketball I hope so, I hope I hope. I hope that's important, but at least for me I'm never. GonNa Forget about what the what the number one priority is here all right so then let's linger on that issue for the moment on imagining that that Adam silver and the rest of the Board of governors those that are are are stewards of the sport have agreed on a health protocol. And what based on what you can tell that look like? Flow, they're working on it. They're working on it. you know from what I understand? It's going to be testing every single day. And I assume that the players mullet that means You know I, think that the tests. I'm not a doctor on the front lines. I can't say I think the test means. You still get swamped up your nose which I don't know I wanNA do eighty consecutive days, but you know for basketball I think people want to do it. you know they benefit from ESPN. Has this story posted overnight? About certain teams, hoping that they could, if they lose their home court advantage that they get some sort of give back and they could pick their hotel when it comes busy because you know NBA player, NBA team would rather stay the four seasons because the world stodgy whatever. And that the fact that anybody believers even talk to you about that, maybe WANNA smack my head. The point is not the quality of the bed. Obviously same say pay three months I said, the point is if. You're in if you build something where you can, people protected and so all of this is going to be part of a long I mean in other sports in other league this than sixty eighty pages. This is what our protocol is. This is what we're going to do every day this over at the hotel. Because what? We're GONNA do at the arena. We're going to do on the bus. This is what we're going to do. practice is what we're. GonNa do if somebody has symptoms. This is what we're GONNA. Do Somebody actually test positive? This is what we're. GonNa do if somebody turns. Their ankle needs to go have an MRI. This is what you have to come over from Europe this is what you have to do. When you're traveling into Orlando this is what you have to do in this I mean. I can go online. It sounds Ki-. Nobody wants to talk about it, but this is what this is about. Talking. About all of those has to be. They're gonNA. Matter so I'm sorry that I don't want to be Debbie. Downer, I don't people within the League yelled at me for. This, but I can't help it. It's just what I'm. GonNa. Say is that the reason why July thirty first has been targeted as his start date I? Mean that's that's seven weeks away and we all know seven hours. Life feels like one pack one year's worth of developments into seven hours. We're talking about seven weeks now. imagining that maybe were full month away for everybody. You actually get themselves to Orlando. Yeah, it's a factor you know for sure know. We're facing potential. Double Quarantine Lug is. Now, the the law in Florida, or the wash it saying I'm not I have no idea whether the will? Right now if you fly to Florida from New, York New Jersey. Are we the Connecticut? You have to quarantine for fourteen days? We're still be the case. in in a few weeks. I don't know. but if you're Europe right now if you're a Dallas Mavericks Fan. Luke adoption kristaps. porzingis players there in Europe. For on a plane right now to come back. They're gonNA. Have to according to the laws of the country they're going to have to. Sit in the hotel, quarantine their house, or whatever for two weeks they can't start from basketball so and the other thing is that. Everybody in the NBA you talk to on the on the on the training side his all worried about these players who have all went cold. Turkey vastly reduced their normal workout lows and Play basketball at any sort of five on size way, and they all were saying you've got to have time to. They'll back up so in addition to building in time to make sure that we have more opportunity, fight the virus and platinum curve wooden drop the curve, or what have you lifting? The players can help so that we don't have guys 'cause I I I think I read in the in the Bundesliga and the German league in the first weekend on the first Saturday and Sunday at fifteen soft tissue injuries right out of the gate which was. Five Times that you. For mid season game so. How I think they're trying to guard against the as before this time doesn't Brian Win or senior NBA writer of Espn joining me here? On the rich Eisen show, so then let's just. Place that aside. For the moment tomorrow at Twelve Thirty Eastern Time Board of Governors. Those who may not know is that what does that mean? How's this go and then what? If it's a more responsible way of saying owner. one person from every team will be on the call. Have a vote in the bubble. I mean this is one of those things and the other thing is unlike the. Baseball. Whether the problem with the Union The NBA Union issue isn't going to be. It will probably be later for next season because they've actually been out some revenue this year, but they've kept Chris Paul. WHO's the president and Michelle received? That could have director Adam silver has kept them alongside the entire way here. They're not being surprised with any proposals. Things slapped on. Their desk being emails as an attachment to here, look at this now, vote on it, In fact, the show Roberts is so confident in the working relationship with that until. She said that she didn't even think they'll be the take vote. Amongst so. I believe. I don't know for sure. It's very second, but it started by understand. The Union will probably be willing to sign off on. The board. The Board of governors will will ratify it and part of the reason why rich the sign off on it is! With plan builds in a whole bunch of game checks for players I'm looking for pretty basic, but I can understand if you don't follow it if you're a casual fan, NBA players occupied for playoff the there's a bonus pool that they get If you get far enough in the playoffs, you get through the bones. Don't get a check. So, you advanced right onto the postseason. Great onto fifteen pokes. Even the players would lose all of those games one hundred sixty nine total game. All of those games gone. By bringing back eight games per team, which will be eighty-eight total. They. Bring back a whole bunch of game checks. It will help. The players were paying for money, and so that's one of the reasons why they're gonNA. Sign off on it, and then we'll get to the difficult part which is. Telling all these people follow the federal. Because rich, this is GONNA be unfair. Thirteen teams in the West. They're playing eight games. Guess what not? Everybody's GonNa play the same schedule. Guess What Zion Woodson is made for TV player? He's probably going to have to fight them tougher. The Phoenix Suns. so there's GonNa be an inherent unfairness and there's going to be fans. We're GONNA. Complain about it and teams complain about it and they're all going to be right. And there's nothing to be done to deal with. We talking about that before the Eastern conference is Kinda simple. He got eight games. There's nine teams. Everybody plays each other once. A honky Dory right there and then you know. In, the West you've got thirteen teams. Who plays who I mean? Nobody wants a piece of the Lakers or clippers, or you can go on. You can just go down the road right there. Right so certainly if you're one of those teams on a plan. Yeah, I mean the thing about it was when the league stopped New Orleans who was right now tied for ten. I think there are four games back of MEMPHIS, so last night they had the hardest for that. The easiest schedule of all of those contending teams and not had the hardest. If you're world. You've been giving a gift that if they didn't cut it to sixteen, but he's GonNa. Lose your these guys when I told. My boss. EMC and. I came back to be with. You know You might have to play Smarter Games and that's the There's just going to be unfairly here I. Mean You look? At. The three and a half game weeks. They played sixty five days. I think they've actually played sixty. and. Wave copied over sixty six games. Now you're telling them have eight more games and continue to earn their place. And let's say they say agape place over that affect. Then they might find a place for they may up five the essentially three different times. Is that's there. No, it's not. Dukla against so, but that said Bryan Sierra and the rich Eisen show prior to the pandemic breakout I believe you're your last appearance. Prior toll the craziness before the world began to completely spinoff. It's access you're talking about. In your mind, what you think would be an improvement to the NBA schedule, which would be to shorten it. And have the last couple of weeks. Be a tournament for the plan for the eighth and final playoff spot. For each. Conference I heard that my buddy Chris Brockman her that we're like. We liked that idea looks like your ideas going to get a test program. Brian, not necessarily because it's, it's just GonNa be potentially to take. All I wanted all fifteen teams. My deal was the best way. To seventeen qualify in each conference. They move on to the playoffs is normal and they waited number see. Then the eighteen each conference play. Single Limitation Tournament basically eight four seasons. You know. Basically play the Conference Tournament Essentially Win Three Games. Do the five days five days than the ball. Every team could win their way, and that's what I foresee. That's. Not, really what this is! This is you know. She want the Midi Grady. Which yes, the bottom line, just spry one they had. To give an excuse why they're bringing back six extra team. The reason I bring back six extra teams. because. They WANNA. Play enough regular. TV Games and help keep enough money in the player's pockets by the way they don't have to do. They have the right. Under the CD any cancel those games and say take your money because it depends on. They need the union to sign off on that. They need to agree to come to Orlando the Credo objects the next year they had. The players. Okay so they are trying to figure out the way to do well, they can't have. Six Games back with eighteen supplies. He can't break, and then there's okay now. Really important. 'cause they're not. Okay because the only way you can do, it is if you create with smoking mirrors. From past that you can we say the players. You have a chance to play your way. and you know with this way off. Records may not matter like the Indiana Pacers made come into this thing. Be Red Hot, and what's their way through the eastern conference because it's the nature of the uncertainty of? And we may see some great stuff, and it may be a tremendous thing, but the reason we're doing this play. Tournament is just stick the carrot out there to try to. Why they're doing twenty two. Of them. To tell you what happened. Isn't that it didn't Damian. Lillard basically say if you don't give me an opportunity to. Play my way into the playoffs I. DON'T WANNA come and Steve Kerr's basically saying we consider the season's over so this kind of checks both those boxes and You know this part of the reason why I love having you on Brian because you don't you don't mince any words here. I am kind of glass half full I thought some of these Games you. You gotta just play some games to right before you start playing for for. Definitely a side benefit, but they played regular season games. Like. Actual numbers right now. The players and they just got a paycheck. On Monday players, the twenty five percent of their paychecks are being taken from them right to put into a fund to get ready for all game same stuff so that they don't have their pages okay, if they can't pull the rest of the regular season and said no more game, check their paychecks. Call will be docked. Docked probably around forty percents. Okay and keep in mind that they are hiring individual pay over forty percent taxes most of them that means you're going to be getting about twenty percent of what the of your gross pay by doing away dirt and potentially knock it down to about ten percent of your paycheck being bought by the way this. They're getting paid on these concepts during November. They'll ask me if I if I was in their shoes. If I had my pay getting. Twenty five per cent, and if we didn't play, it was going to be percents planned game for a few. It'd be ten percent. I know that I want my patients stocks ten percent, not forty percent. Is doing it like I'm. I'm all for it by. Protect the money. Let's keep everybody in a good friend of my. Let's work together, but share the pain. Let's let's have some basketball, but that's what. This, is not happening. Because they studied the scenario and found out that historically keep the come back from six games down in the last quarter. That's all just bogus hocus pocus. Brian Orser for more minutes here on the rich Eisen show So what how? How would they like you? Take a look at the eastern conference. Basically, it's like in the wizards. Somehow catch a fire in the last eight Games in Orlando No, what? Look. Because we care about, Zion, or whatever. The more interesting things one game of the week column. Separate in the number fourteen because you can call the seventeen. A pretty big difference being number seventeen potentially playing took the nuggets and plenty of the number four seats. You know and the east. You know you can philly right now is in the sixty. You know I don't think they want to get in the sixteen if they WANNA play Boston. To. Play, simply you know so. I think just as much as this is about the back end and putting on TV from stopping Devon Booker getting opportunity. This is about the seating between because. The thing about with no homecourt advantage. the maps are gonna be even more for Philly twenty, nine and two at home. You know you've got home. If you're that good at home, you feel pretty good about anything how you don't have that. That that doesn't make a lot. More have a lot more value so to me I. think where those teams ranked. In these individual conferences, and then the fight for those teams will be just as important or even more important than. Finished eighth to get down to the to the line. How many gyms are in Disneyworld? GonNa, do yeah, there's I. Mean there's three different facilities. There's two arenas one of them from what I understand is mostly used for. Like cheerleading dance was I. Think is going to be the main arena that US and then there's another arena where you've seen games. Probably they play college events there sure focused to arenas and and then there's GonNa be a third place, but the Convention Center for practice, because the teams are GonNa have to practice there as well but the interesting thing is just so I'm still. To Games, my expectation is that they will be five or six times. Per Day during this. Period so will be going on all that you know. You'll be able to watch NBA basketball two o'clock, and we get to the playoffs the case for the second round. But based on this date in October. Excuse me There will be NBA playoff games I. BELIEVE I scheduled there'LL BE NBA first round playoff game. Taking place at two o'clock in the afternoon weekday. like with. Tournament. Again it won't be that for the second round going forward then you can easily do, but they're gonNA have to get done by to play all these games to get done by October they're going to have to play three and four playoff games day and they can't. They're not gonNA WANNA play them. Concurrently too much. They're gonNA. Want to single them off and I think you'd have to ask new clout. I think Chris Brockman you're you're applauding? Window such. As you're busy getting our stream back online because we had internet problems Brian I appreciate your patients you. Miss Brian Basically. Say let's looks let's. Pump the brakes a little bit here and I don't think you're being a Debbie Downer Braun. You're you're talking about reality. What's going on and there's families that are gonNA. Come and we need to know. The logistics in many sports leagues are going to be very interested in how many hotels are being used? And how do you get players to and from stadiums? And how do you get? People who are in support roles to stay healthy? And how do you test them all and what happens if somebody does test positive and how to react to it I think everyone's going to be keenly looking at this thing, and and hopefully the virus and science, and the way that we that have progressives can can only serve to help with more time and we're GONNA. Learn the NHL GONNA, start on month before the NBA. And and the Premier League in England. Already got soccer happening to Europe and the sitting taking notes watching. You. Know you know what is the? Crowd noise. Okay, what do we do with this? I mean you know, and and there's GonNa be strange. The players are going to get their hotel. Got For you so walking into arenas? Ten thousand dollars at the close on the planned out the playoffs three months parks. You know they're gonNA. Come to the arena in their uniform and after the game. They're gonNA slap on ice bags. I think and go get the bus and they're going to shower back at their hotel and here's the thing. They may not even kept their rooms clean. Like every day they may have towels and sheets left outside their room. And they're going to have to go make their own bed and clean their own bat. Meanwhile, they'll be something, but they're not going to get from what I understand. They're not going to have daily service. And you know you've been to Disneyworld or been. Would I don't know. Sure of course I didn't at the hotel the Disneyworld the food. After a while I don't I. Don't you know I'm sure they're going to have some of their own chefs in there, but. You know you're GONNA. Be You know they're not GonNa go to them I? I know that it's so it's. It's so nice to hear Disneyworld is if I think they might go into the magic. You know I think what mentioned his reporting today that they will be led to play golf which is great for the guys who played golf, but they're not. I don't expect they're going to be able to go to club. on basis. you know they'll do I'm sure they will. Do, some things to help them. Off Steam Recreation, but this is not going to be. Going to summer camp now I got it. I guess so, but let's let's you know for some teams. That won't be that long because they'll. They'll play the eight regular season games and go home and then for other teams. That won't be that long because they'll get, they'll get stomped in the first round of the playoffs, and it's a business trip. It's a business trip for everybody to to to cut checks. Keep this going. Get through this season and then we'll deal with what twenty twenty twenty twenty one looks like I mean I guess right I know. People are talking about to be Asterix. And if they feel that way, go for I'm not gonNA fight with the on it. That's fine, but this will be one of the hardest things. One of the hardest things to win that anybody's ever pretty foreign basketball. Took into. Having stopdown everything then having having your restart buying your edge again and dealing with not having your facility, not having your personal chef, not having your saints that our equipment. To have to deal with all of that to go through the mental stress have limited access to your family and friends. Go to the mental stress of having to be living in a hotel room for three consecutive months. It's going to be almost three months by the time you. Quarantine train and don't you all the way to the finals? If you think that that makes that trophy that you win at the end, lesser. I can't talk you out of the, but I think it's GonNa make you just the party of any other time one and Brian. Again I always say you're. You're the best love our chats. Thanks for the time. Look for our call again very soon. Take care of it right back Brian, horse. Do you own or rent your home, sure you do. And I bet it can be hard work. You know what's easy bundling policies with GEICO. GEICO makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's. Insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing, too, because you already have so much to do around your home, go to GEICO DOT COM. Get a quote and see how much you could save. It's gyco easy visit, GEICO DOT com today. That's GEIKO DOT COM, G. I., C., O. DOT COM. I love him. He so great. He just shoot you straight. He does I kind of think what he was saying is the guys who normally have their own chef and their own meal plan. TACO Tuesday is going to be replaced by scrooge. mcduck mcnuggets Wednesday. Splurge that's how it is worried about James Harden right. You know. Other clubs at Epcot. On I don't know bottle service. Got Some good club. Like if if Luca has an off night, you'll. That's because. The pancakes came in the shape of Mickey and I just have a feeling up. Each team will figure out how to get there on chefs in there and make their own. They're gotta make your pet less time. You made your own bed Chris this morning. You actually did it this weekend to. Normal People Normal Bingo. Professional. McKay. Hey Hey hey! Nfl Hall of Famer. Ray Lewis I'm excited to announce the launch of my new podcast every day. Greatness, Ray Lewis podcasts I'll be talking with friends, family members, old teammates, athlete, celebrities, moguls and guess what Offi talking to you. Listen. 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Ep. 197 - Charity Lighten on Fighting for Peace + Happiness in the Wake of a Cancer Diagnosis
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Here we go. What's up guys? Hello. Welcome back. Welcome. Welcome period. Start a little late today. Got a little testing a very long Email. When you're in the board Tech's yell say keep going by high by it's actually problem I need to chill. What is that? Can we we can't give them context because the now private, but it's not even like a big deal like, oh, that's normal. That's normal business ran no, I completely agree. But because we're in this space still so uncharted and like new it's very hard to educate people who maybe we partner with or we do business with on the value of what we're doing. And just they don't understand the process. You know, that we have or the way that podcasting like, I guess to just I don't think unless people know us, and they know what we're doing how seriously we take it, you know, lake. So when someone says, hey, can you just x y and z shout me out on an episode? You know, something like that say as an example, it's like it's not like, you know, I'm perfect myself from saying something like that. It's like I have were recording so much. You know, what I mean, it just it doesn't really work that way. Yeah. We're doing all the business in the morning recording in the afternoon. Yeah. Reach harriet. It doesn't work that way. Just doesn't like we're working can't tell the today show's shout you out. Really Oprah didn't shout everyone out. But like, this is curated content. You know, we're not loosey goosey out. Like what we mentioned because we fucking care about you guys. And we know you guys are are like hawks smell it from a mile away. When we're and we don't do it. You know, a better gatekeeper like I'm actually trying to be completely error ironclad about what I'm saying to you guys and what were talking about. And what I'm sharing with you? You know, not even like the personal stuff. Like, I'll tell you guys anything. But like a brand or a routine or whatever it is. I'm trying to vet it more. Yes. Absolutely than than often than not. So. Yeah. Now that I got that out. I keep looking at your little tassels on your looks like you have a lanyard on. And you look like you just came from like the blinkered eighty-two concert with. Nearly late interesting today my style keep like visualize. I'm like squinting, my is visualizing like she just came from the blink concert. I I actually tied. I sweat shirt on and I actually just bought a second tied. I Scott chair. Is that yours Justin's? No. It's my. I xe. Brought a second one. It just looks like a cute boyfriend sweatshirt. Yeah. It's I have a hoodie swagger lately. Cool. I feel it's more swaggering when I've hoodie on. I love a hoodie meat. You know, what I mean of hoodie, and I might comfy one guests who makes the brand of my other hoodie that supreme close. I do have a supreme Huddy Blake Anderson from workaho, Alex. Oh, here we go. This is the brand is called teenage what is going on with your life. Look, I hope he sees me on the for each. Where'd you get that sweatshirt? It says board teenager the back. He's like tied Isaac is yours. I don't know. What's going on with me? There's something about the 'cause like way back when when like I was on the crystalline podcast thing. I ordered one of his shirts. And I'm like, what is the thing with like Kana being into a celebrity a personality. And when they have merchant like gotta have it like, I don't know. It's like, I pry them watching workaholics too much. But I just didn't like feeling. Feeling a little style shift shifts happening? I know I was thinking about the other day. I was like even there's a part of me. That cares. Euro doesn't wanna buy clothes. And then there's this part of me, that's like one we have to you know, with just like being out there more. And then I'm like really wanna like curate what's happening in my closet instead of this like random fuck and bullshit, I want you like I want to go to Lindsey for like inspiration. Like when I wanna look like a chic, boy, you know what I mean. Honey sane literally. Everyone's I k- I want to go to Chris oilcake skater. When I just left the warped tour, literally. It's like with Aubrey. I'm like, hi what's going on here? How are you looking cool where we're now? Hughes. Why notice our friend Aubrey winters who does? Winters methods sweat sessions. She's so awesome. We did a class of hers last night. We danced our little Toshizo off. It was so fun. She also wears like, I noticed like little detail shooters cool earings when she's doing it. And I'm like, I would never think to where like hoops with this. And then and the necklace that is so fly. I would I would shit my tooth on the necklace all the accessories are on and it's just like, I don't know. I guess I'm not in style enough. I don't look at it enough. I'm not like I am not around style enough. I kind of want like a a uniform in a way lake us to have a bunch of one thing different colors, maybe, but like just so I kinda know, and then also people know people are like kind of like an area on Agron day. We're in she's like wearing a sweatshirt as a dress, and you're like with highs and you're like, oh, that's area one hundred. I don't really understand that style. I don't hate. It it. But I don't. Quite get it. This is so you're so tiny, and you were really baggy clothes does that make you look tinier or bigger? What's the play there? I don't understand her just like TI near. Yeah. Is that because if I did it I would look bigger examiner. I'm saying exactly that's what I'll get. I'm like me. Like is it like you're bigger you have to wear tighter? So you know that we're not that. I don't understand. I don't know. There's like a middle ground real. Yeah. I don't know. Like, I don't know if I would wear like super type at there's this. I think tailored yet exactly this. She looked too small when she's because if she were tailored clothes up the about visualizing, it it would look weird would with almost like a kid who was wearing tailored class. I mean due to bloom you issue twenty-six, right? Blue mine my ass away. She's nineteen to me every year one hundred for you're the Ghostbusters. Yeah. Such little baby girl. What was that story? You're telling for we got on the podcast. Oh. So a friend of mine on into bring y'all in on the com-. Yeah. 'cause I think it's I mean, we're just be tossed about the bigger the bigger thing happening, which I think a lot of you will relate to, but a friend of mine who I love so much one of the people that I just love laughing with and she was kinda gone through it recently. So I was like, oh, you're not laughing like what's going on? Oh, and anyway, she. I'll fast forward because I don't know the extreme down to the nitty gritty detail, but had someone and just like fell in love very quickly, and it was super conscious. And like, I mean the way she would describe the relationship. I mean, I was like well that is like dreamy all the conversations you're having and like the accountability that you have an that. He has it was just like goals in my head, and it continues to be, but she had some shit that she kind of brought into the relationship and that it kind of brought the relationship down into kind of a halt. And he was like I can't do this anymore, and she's very open and honest about this. Of what she needs to to work on. And she was very clear in kind of relying this to us like some of close friends that she brought that shit in. Yes. But if she was aware. Yes. Complete doesn't happen all the time or yes. Like, she brought it to the last at least two relationships, and she's like did it again and bucking did it was it being overly critical. Oh, yeah. Overly critical. So if any of you out there can relate do not letting anything slide. Yeah. Overly critical been there. You guys can imagine Christou participated in quite a few. I think my problem is almost the opposite. Where it's like, I don't hold them to the standard that I deserve while, you know, so I'm so they'd almost don't reach the standard because it's not there. So I don't like having people like you like her around me where I'm like, oh, I can kind of like call that up, but for her she said, it was like kind of to extreme. And and you know, he was just kind of over it and. Yeah. So anyway, she called me last night. They were done, you know, like pretty devastating, and and she had made a lot of shifts in her life because they were going to move together. Meet a lot of shifts. With work career life everything. Something happened, you know, in terms of like conversations in the last few days, and he was just like finally because he was like no like you really hurt me. Like, I can't do this right now. And and then you just open the dorms like, okay. Like, if we're going to do this and try this like, this is the time, you know. And so. She got in the car and drove. To him which is like in another state. And like is like, yes, like, I choose you. I choose you over any of the bullshit. Like, I am ready and willing to work and to hear you and to really like Dicks this shit. Like, I wasn't. None of this is anything she wants to bring into the next relationship as relationship. So it was just beautiful. And we were talking about the fact that like, whoa, it's crazy. She's just fucking going. And like, it's so refreshing. Because like a lot of people would say, that's crazy. I would never do that. Like, a mansion always shave out that lake, you know, just everything her world was rocked. You know, when when it ended two Shiite like been shoes ready to go ready to booth there. And so it just like made me happy. Like, I was like this is this feels like a big choice that is like so conscious so heart centered. And I'm going to support you fucking go like call me when you need me. But. Yeah. I just loved it. And I was like I can't wait to make a big choice like that. You know, whatever that looks like my friends told me like everything, and I'm like awesome. I know they're like so moving shells. You're like fucking awesome. Like, I'm pregnant with twins. I'm gonna have them. I know don't know the data's. Yeah. I just like I'm all about that. I'm all about whenever girls say like should I- mosaic. Yes, I'm such an aggressor, and I always have been and look at me. No, no. But I'm serious like Aaron I'm not here. But I feel like we put the onus on men so much. So it's like, we're, you know, strong confident whatever, and then we expect them to be that all of the time, and sometimes the men aren't necessarily like the masculine aggressor or energy when you're dating in at the beginning, or whatever it is, you know, thinking of people as spirits, and humans rather than like girls do this and guys do that. It's like it could just be the person in their relationship that acts as the aggressor or the masculine energy when you're dating or when you're starting to figure out the relationship, and you mentioned too before we got on air, the women have an intuition. Unlike when we have these intuitive hits, we we gotta go we got like for way too many years. I did not listen to those intuitive hits and might have missed some opportune. Ladies, and it's like fuck that, you know, we're so lucky to be so in tune with that that intuition just do it like as long as it's not hurting physically like hurting anyone. Let's do it. Yeah. And I told her I was like to just last point about her like, hey, what if it doesn't work out? You know what I mean? It's okay. And you both are like consenting adults in this situation to go for it. You know, like 'cause for me, I was thinking. Oh, would I be feeling right now? Like timid. I hope it works. Like, I don't think that's the right energy to break into the situation. You know? Yeah. It's I mean, it's also like a hope it works. But it's really like I'm gonna do the best that I can. And I'm gonna be responsible for doing what I know is best right now exactly coming from like a conscious place. And I always think that girls should not always girls you can text. I you can, you know, not wait three days. You can just hit them up. You can just like go. I I always with everything in my life feel like I go first or and I feel like dating is not is not any different like, Justin. I'm trying to think. Think I flew to New York when we were just talking and texting. And basically was like yo toward hanging out. He's like, okay. So you hadn't and I know some people know the story some people don't so you hadn't really hung out with him this. We hadn't really we'd we'd met twice. Did you like kiss or anything the first time we hung out? We didn't kiss. Okay. So we hung out twice one time in college. And then one time again, he was in Chicago when we met again, and then we were texting for like months, and then I flew to New York for New Year's Eve with my girlfriends, quote, unquote and the next day. I didn't hear from him. It was like near as day. I hadn't heard from him. And I was just like y'all what are you doing like we've been talking for months like high and Justin just like so present he's just like whatever he's been meaning to see you. So then we hung out. And then I flew back to New York again. Right. When I got back from Patagonia like the next day to see him and just was like. Always never afraid to text. You know, there were times when I would wait, you know, for him to tax, but like in all my relationships. I just want to be as clear as I can. And I'm not someone that's going to like wait around for things to happen in my life. If I feel a certain way, I'm going to act on it. And not that I'm saying that I don't agree with women who plan to the roles of like waiting for a man, or you know, he should go first because I think if that works for you and that works for your personality and your energy. That's great. But that's not my personality or my energy. And I think that men are not just one type as women are not just one type men are not just all aggressive all going to talk to you at the bar all going to, you know, go for it. One hundred percent like it just doesn't work that way and to see people more on like a complete spectrum and meet them the other way because Justin just you know, sweet and like a little shy at first. So it's like he would. You know, I I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if he's ever really he's probably has had on girls at the bar. But I'm not even sure you know, it's not really his style. So for me as a person that would be my style. So it's like we meet in that place. You know, whereas, I know people that are like the man approached her at the bar like mama medicine and earn approached the house music. I'm going to marry you. He's very masculine the masculine role in that relationship. She's very much the feminine. They fall into that. And they meet at a perfect halfway, but for some couples, it just isn't lake the exact gender roles don't fit the social construct. I always think about like the story that like you're going to tell when you're you know, like married or together like an 'cause I'm that come over to channel store. Because it's like I have those same urges and like inclinations to be the first one to tax to call. And I've been doing that with you know, people I'm into there's this one guy I'm like very much crush on. And I've been doing that. But then there's this like little voice. That's like goddesses too much. Yes is too much. How is he taking this? And then I just remind myself like if he's worth it or if it's right? Like, he's going to be totally fine with it and not be scared away by it, you know, name young. But it's yeah. I don't. Yeah. It's also the energy to it's like with that like are even said to on the nears, Yvonne, like, hey, look, even if we're just friends like I would love to see you because we've been talking for this long. And it's almost like you don't always feel like people don't always have to go with the energy of higher. My soulmate and reaching out to you to confirm our soul nece. It's like, hi, I'm curious about you. And I wanna learn more. And I kinda wanna see like what's up and making sure that they know your energy isn't. So like, you are my soulmate we're together. Let you I am you know, what I mean? It's kind of like playing on that like less pressure type of situation. But I feel that I mean mic cited about that. Yeah. I'm being patient. But also try like consistent. 'cause like if it's because it's not, you know, if I if I text at the beginning of the month, and I'm like because he's not here right now. So I'm just like I should wait like like at the end of the month when like things down like, no, I kinda wanna be out is. Consistently. Yes. Because he's on my like, you know, what I mean? So I just want it to feel and it has felt very like, organic and balanced, but I'm always the one reaching out because of kind of what's happening with what he's doing. So it's just send nudes. That's when you say well normally, I would. I love it. I mean, I'm not at that place yet. But we don't yet. I don't tell he I don't think I'm bear any more on this. We're dating he'll AVI. Well, we've dating till till we're, but I used to send before a hundred eight because that only if I got the green light that it was getting first gay. Totally. And I'm like, this is my end. And then I'd spend an hour. Trying to get one photo. I would lose like oxygen to my brain, you know, Namie and. I'd go through so much lotion. What we do. I mean, if you could only that fun the wall. Well, I'm happy for gone get you some last thing with the rate at which we are becoming more conscious as a society, there's been an increase of people finding their soulmates finding the people that they're being with the divorce rate has stayed stagnant. Almost in its think, it might even be decreasing, and I think that people are entering more conscious loving relationships. You know, I I know they're they exist in they're all over the world. But I feel like I have exposure or a have had exposure to more healthy loving relationships in the past couple years, and it's been like an amazing thing. I know I feel lucky like that too. So many friends who are in very conscious relationship. Yeah. I don't really know anyone that has I do. But it's not like, you know, the majority the majority are used to be the majority. I think you're older cheap. I don't talk about it as much, but anyways, okay today on the podcast charity late, man. Charity is one of our dearest friends since you know, basically, the beginning of the podcast, and she's been on her own journey both professionally and personally and today, she joins us in person we were lucky enough to have her in person, she's based in Salt Lake and she flew in. And we got to hang out at a time in her life that she finds herself both celebrating. And also, you know, trying to find the words and the energy and be perspective. Her husband is battling a terminal cancer. Yep. He has stage four colon cancer. And she is a mother of four. So she has her lovely husband that she's been supporting she is the chief nutritionist at silver for brand who is our probiotic of choice. Our digestive enzyme of choice. I love their protein. Discount code almost thirty. But charity has been navigating all the emotions that go with grief and loss. And you know, when these situations happen, you're really faced with the real questions in life and the real work in the real analysis of what life is really about. You know, what love releases? What relationship really is. What is spirit? You know, what is your relationship with God? What is your relationship with your soul? What happens after you pass? How do you be strong yet soft at the same time? How do you be there for your family while being there for yourself? How do you have the foresight to make decisions for decisions for your health from a, you know, thoughtful place? So yeah, I mean this conversation was beautiful. It was so inspiring. I mean, this is such an inspiring conversation. I fell I always feel so great when we see charity. We also love Kelly from their Team New, mama. But it really makes you think and it really really brought me back to what matters what's important. And I am so inspired by her relationship with her husband. It's such a beautiful story. And I know that you guys are really going to love this episode. I, you know, listen to it every day truly. Yeah. It really I think is the ultimate test. If you're trying to be present. I mean, no greater test than to not think about, you know, three months from now five months from now year from now, it's really and she's done. So so pitifully not only for her husband for herself. But for children, I mean to be a mother and navigate this type of thing is actually on my cana- magin it, but she just shared very openly. It's pretty emotional episode. So yeah, we're glad you're here for it. 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People say about me when I get she'll crush. Marquette's places. He's a of no doubt. We're gonna leave our kids in the grocery store once many moments where it's like like silent. Whoops, where it's like. Pull out you have left your baby. Parking. When you leave your phone at my place. Charger everywhere. Everything everywhere did you ever have any moments like that? As bomber you're like. Yes, you're I mean a lot of kids. Yeah. A lot more than just one the fours a lot. And you're just like there's days you're like, hey, everyone's alive. There's a headcount bedtime like. Okay. Success? Right. I mean what was bedtime like with that money? Kid crazy crazy and bedtime is when they're like, do you want to read me, mom, no? Really? Forgot that word in your assisted. It's like an I'm natural like morning person. So I can't even hold a conversation past nine nine PM. I'm an old lady same. Yeah. So like with kids K brush at no, you don't have to rush for thirty seconds. One seconds fine. Go getting Bagley face. Bent that. I know here here kids, here's a toothpaste measurable. Yeah. There should be honestly, silver his. Can't pay because then they just go. And they don't even like brush, they'd really just like eat there to based on like, okay their teeth are just little studies. I know they're little don't even know the even brush, but I'm inventing Matt what is the balance that like as a mom. I was think about that. Because you know, it's funny like when I babysit, and I'm with the kids I'm reading a book, I'm so fresh because I don't do it all the time. But I know with parents, it's like I'd be the same way where every night, you're like, okay. Like, I don't want to do this. How do you share them and like cherish the time together because you know, that they're growing so fast. But also. You know, be realistic. Yeah. That's that's it. Yeah. That's it be realistic be balanced. And like, unfortunately, I'm glad I did. I'm raise babies with social media. Yeah. Right. I think every day is about the nursery. We've got the ugliest. Yeah. My kid's don't know. How to read eighteen months old? I it would be terrible. So like, you're realistic. You do the best you can. And luckily for me, like I I got to choose to be stay home on like that was that was a really nice thing for me. In fact, in fact, when I found I was pregnant I was just about to graduate with a good degree from a good school, and we had a bunch of recruiting offices. Come and I said to my husband, Mike, I'm really afraid like if I even have a taste of that corporate life like I won't choose my family. And so we're like have a baby graduate two weeks later star family sort of thing. And so for me that was that was a blessing. I got to choose that. So so I was able to give them a lot of time. Like, I know some people will say, you know, quality over quantity for me as it goes pretty mediocre. So I keep them want to. I'm not. The big family six kids in my family, seven kids my husband's family. Yeah. And I was like, oh, we'll have five or seven, and then I had to when I was like. I don't know if we're going to have out it was kind of making you question. How many so my my I was super easy super mellow soak. Good super chill at as what are these bay? Like, these these ladies whining about babysit cry in the night. I don't know what they're talking about. So let's have another one right away. He was eight months, eight and half months old. And I was like let's get pregnant again. Yeah. And then we had a second and she didn't tonight, and she wasn't common. She wasn't chill. And she she was the one owned now. Now, I know why people are like this is really hard. And then number three was a total accident. And then by by the time, she was like to I I remember thinking, we're going to do it. We need to do it. Now. I don't I just didn't want this big window this big gap. So we had number four. Wow. You're like accident than not yet. I know. Okay. So I mean, you you got your degree before you had the kids which is. But then soon after had the kids. So when did it come back around that you kind of had this new either appreciation near you wanted to put it to to work. Yeah. Well, being totally honest. It's because I was fat. And I was like I just want to be the. And honestly wasn't fat. But I just was like I wasn't feeling good. I was exactly. Yeah. So for me really was like, I just wanna be skinny, and so he spent all this time and energy reading and trying every died out there and studying learning and the more. I was studying the Morial was learning the more. I was like, wait a minute. There's kind of something to this whole nutrition thing, and I do remember very profound night one night. And I remember God saying like just charity when you're ready to be healthy. And not just skinny I've got things I need to teach you, and I was like, okay, I'm ready. Well, and that's when I learned this whole learn plant based this was back in two thousand and eight like plant based eating and how nutrients affect our body and cancer just became this. It was bizarre. You guys like I was obsessed with how what we put in our body affects our body. Like, no never told me where. Had come from before like, but this idea like I thought it came from cars, and smokestacks whatever. Right. That was. Yeah. Exactly. Oh within your jeans, whatever. And so I became really really really passionate. I became certified as a plant based nutritious nest. I still have for the kids. I was still at home. I was always doing something on the side. I had like an EBay business. What selling what you'll die? I cannot wait Pottery Barn rugs. How what do you mean? It was like a down east that was selling them. It's so crazy, and I learned that if I could buy them before an in Utah. It was just crazy. We had this. We had this Pottery Barn Catholic like it was just a normal store. But I was ridiculous. If you hit the store before that magazines came out, you could sell the stuff for a profit on EBay. It's just ridiculous. Just little little I I had a little tax business out of my basement. I started a little jewelry company, and when I say company, it's like like see this table in front of us. It would be covered with beads and people would make them themselves that you had a price and they're beautiful real silver were crystal. And they would always ladies would come weed hosts these parties just ridiculous. I decided I don't know. I love that you do. And then I got my got my real estate license. Just just all always had. I wanted my my brain not just shrivel up while I was wiping my children's faces all day long anyway. So. Nutrition just kind of came came around. And and then you guys know the story like my husband was diagnosed three three years and five months ago with stage four cancer. So in in so many ways something that I hoped would never affect my family affected, my family, and then silver fern came about I decided to go back to school and get my master's degree in nutrition science, and I did that in Boston. And man like the things that I've learned I now feel like I need to share like pretty. I don't know pretty intensely. I guess share share some of things that I've learned, but what surprised me even more when I reached when we were talking about this podcast is the it's not even about nutrition that I wanna share. It's about living your best dang life that you possibly can. So that's kind of been the journey and how is your husband? He is so good. And so amazing, but his liver is failing. So chemo's out all clinical trials are out. I'll drugs or out his body camp detoxify. So he's got jaundice now, so his eyes turned a bit yellow is his skin has turned a bit yellow he day by day gets a little bit weaker. So when his liver's failing sorry, he moat is it hard on the liver in it or what is that? Because show Eason right? So so your liver cannot get rid of you know, even things like. I reproach and Tylenol. His dad was was a Tylenol rep. My mom was like a German lady who we had to have Danny line route Firth that healing right? That's totally different worlds. But even something like ibuprofen, not go through your liver. People don't really realize that like all these things that people take without thinking there's any kind of ramifications. It goes through your liver. So was liver. Can't can't get rid of those types of things. The tumors are growing around his bio duct. So, you know, we sat the kids down a couple of weeks ago, and we're big sports, family and football dances. Will let's kids like and the kids can tell like they know when you're sitting down, and we're kind of somber, and he says I wanna talk to you guys using football as an analogy. And he's like when we got the news, we knew we were down, but it was the first quarter and he's like its fourth quarter guys and we're down. But like, we're not pulling our starters like will never stop trying and he's just. Amazing. Like, he just looked at listen you guys twelve US presence of loss apparent like. I think something like sixty seven percent of British Prime. Ministers. Apparent he's like you don't ever use your hard to make bad decisions or use it as excuse become a crappy human being like, you do it to become amazing. And only God knows what if you're holds for our family, and I've cried more in the last month, but I've had three and a half years of morning we've done this together. And we're just in this really really odd but beautiful place between never giving up and surrendering. And there's peace in both. If if that makes any sense. Yeah. So we've we've trying alternative treatments. There's just the most amazing human beings on this planet people that have reached out if been in touch with some these doctors from MIT that are like, okay, try this try this cream on his skin. And we've got these other drops from this other doctor who like they're like, we we. See that they've killed cancer cells in our animal testing, and whatever. And and so I just sit down like, I still believe in miracles. And I also know as we all to death is inevitable. Right. So our goal every day is to be happy to find it to be happy. No matter what. So kind of kind of heavy, but like, I don't know. It's gonna weird weird place right now. I'm sure yeah. I mean, what is like if you kind of go back three and a half three years and five months, like what is felt like you are specific stages of grief, because I know a lot of people in our community to of leak reached out to us when they have experienced a death of someone close to them and almost like they don't know where they are in the process. Yeah, they're such shock right in the beginning. The I I I would even say two months, you don't think you're shock. But like there's the shock of things is pretty rough because you just like might body would shut down. I just think properly and then and then for me, I was like, okay. I put the boxing gloves on. I'm like bring bring it on. We are going to study and learn and go wherever we end up for a year and Tijuana back and forth. Every week backed, you know to do alternative treatments and reading and researching and trying everything in my poor husband was like this Guinea pig. And so then I would go through different stages of fear like what is cancer due to somebody? You know what I mean? Like, an I tell you the day we decide to start chemotherapy a wreck. But here's why it was a wreck. I was more afraid of what I thought KEMA would do what actually chemo did to him. So it makes sense. I think somebody when you're caught nut like fear place. It's a brutal place to be. And so we learned pretty quickly really quickly like within the first few months that everybody has hard some sort of hard. Like, we were not this isolated case of ONA sucks to be you guys. You have something hard and our heart was different than other people's hard. Right. Like people have infidelity or infertility, or, you know, getting fired from a job or whatever it was. And so we quickly learned everyone has some sort of hard and the less we focused on our hard the less there was grief, and they're less. There was morning. And you know, you go through just to seize ups and downs. I I still have a little bit of PTSD. When we go to the clinic that we were out like just the, smells, and and you just kind of feel yucky. And I remember almost every time we got bad news. Like, the tumors are growing or this treatments, not working any more or or whatever. And it just I don't even know if it was like God's hand. But somehow we were driving separately. Anytime we got bad news which to some people's like, oh, that's sad. But for us. I think we both need to really process it. And I remember one day driving home sobbing like uncontrollably. Sobbing? I just couldn't get a grip. So I couldn't go home because he was going to be on the kids were home. I can't even get can't even get a grip. So I was sobbing finally pullover and prayed with all of my heart and all. Sudden this thought came to my mind was renting nuts. No. And it was fine gratitude in this. And I'm like, I can't I felt God's a fine. Gratitude in it. I'm like, I can't. And for just a moment. I sat there and calm. And I said God, thank you for trusting us with this trial, and every tear was gone. Like there was a blanket of comfort over me. That was is undescribable. So anytime I've ever been in place in it's happened numerous times like what I'm in the dark in my closet on the floor of locked the door. Because I can't get a grip, and I'm like, thank you for the I thank you for this trial, and many think of the things that that I've learned that my kids learned that I've learned about love, right? I've I've been able to experience love in a way that I swear like cancer brought to us and in perspective. Live and gratitude, and I don't know there's there's I could go on and on scene. Goodness of people. I've seen other people's hard. And I'm like, I would choose mine. And that's crazy. How would you choose stage where and I'll tell you how because our heart has been surrounded by love. Right. Think of the people that have shame right addiction or pornography or like terrible divorce that like no one's praying for them. We should be, you know, some people even feel shunned for whatever their heart is. That's when they need the love, so. Wow. And then with the kids like, what's your show your process, you know, is this way. What is there's? This is like this is what gets me emotional because like, I don't know. Yeah. Like, I I don't know. So this whole time for three and a half years. I think that we have done a pretty dang good job making our life feel normal write downs. Got a great sense of humor be sit on the couch like who's gonna get me a drink water dad's got cancer. Like, he's just he's just got like a great sense of humor and his buddy called him last night. He's like, hey, do you wanna go out? And he's like g mine if I bring my hospice nurse with me, I'm like that is terrible. Lake just terrible. But so we've been able to laugh there's been there's been an enormous in our life with the kids, but. They don't talk about it like won't even when we sat them all down my fourteen year old he got up and left and went to his room. And so I said to my husband he's like just give him time after half an hour. My go check on him. And he did. And and that was great. But then like a few days ago the council at school called and I'm like, oh my gosh. I'm just like so we had a little bit of. She was stone. I'm like what's going on? What he got in a fight with his teacher because he didn't get he didn't get the grade for something. He missed a disc school. They whatever it was like he should have got this. Great. So he was feeling like there was just this injustice done, and he really is trying to get good grades. And he went to the counselor. And she said he's like he was uncontrollable today. And then she's like, are you maybe putting some pressure on him at home for getting to get a four point. Oh, and it's like I start sobbing. I'm like, well, maybe, but I don't think it's the great that he's crying about you know, like, I am like last night. He says to to it's the end of quarter. And he says dad, I don't think I'm again to BYU. And I was like I said Dan last night. I said I think four point -o thing is him thinking like it's the only patrol in his life. And I think he thinks that you want this for him. And we're like bud like, Hugh too. What you just do your best you and everything will work out. And my my other kids are a little bit older. I think they've been had to grow up a little bit faster than maybe other kids would have. But I also think they've been blessed with things like they don't worry about. I don't know if my seventeen daughter would be worrying about fake eyelashes. And I mean on these things that for her. She's like, please. Like, I don't even care like gimme a break. I don't care. And so I've got I've got an amazing kids and sorry, I'm going on and on about this. And I didn't wanna come on here and talk about cancer. But the message that we all have in our in our family is like a you help other people get get over yourself and be find joy and happiness. No matter where you are no matter what like the job's not gonna make you happy the boyfriend's not gonna make you happy. Oh, you'll be happy. When this happens or you'll be you'll be happy when this will be happy when when Dan remission, if like, you get to choose happiness every day, and there's plenty of days when I wake up, you know, sometimes you go to bed, and like you wake up with a funk and how that happened. I was in the best last night and you wake up in the morning, you just feel kind of. I don't know like a funk is the best way can say it. 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His boyish, nece nature jomie crazy. Like. A little take these seriously, you're everything. You know? And now I'm like oh, thank God. That that's like if this is the trial that were given that he specifically had that personality trait to make this so much easier to bear. So it was him. And wouldn't have I would you? Remember, the first time you heard from God or you had that conversation. And and so I've been I've tried to be close to God my whole life. But I never ever could hear him speaking to me people would always say that. But I was I don't know what they're talking about. Like, I believe he's real. And I believe in his power. But I don't know that he like knows me. And now I'm trying to teach my kids that those same sorts of things so God's gonna speak to everybody in their own language that they understand. But for me the way that God speaks to me is either a thought or feeling and it's come that hallway now. So now, I I would say when I was seventeen or. Eighty or even twenty five those thoughts. I would have thought were my own. And now, I I know those aren't my own thoughts. Those those are thoughts from God's speaking to me. And then other times, it's just a feeling right? Where so many times last even two weeks a feel like this this anxiety rise up inside of me. And then I can feel this calmness. Come over me. And just push it back down. But I have to let it sometimes. I'm sometimes I want to be a little baby. And I want to throw a temper tantrum, and I wanna cry and I wanna wail. And so I'm like, okay. Okay. Charity. You have eight minutes. I know I picked eight minutes five CM, compassionate Tensing to indulgent. Like, you eight minutes, and you can wine, and you can cry in you can play the victim, and you can go through every fear in your mind. And then you wipe your eyes. You put a smile on your face, and you go find somebody serve like and now I'll say somebody served. That's not always easy when you're a mom and your spouse, you always have somebody in your life that needs you that you can serve, but it's a little bit harder. Like, you've got to go out of your way, sometimes to do it outside of your family, and honest, this is sound so crazy. I started making bread. I started baking bread and delivering breads people like warm bread because there's nothing on this planet. Warm piece of damn argue now on this. So that was my therapy. And yeah, say no more. Yes. And when you loved when you said that you guys left the appointments like separately in you talk about that like in more detail why that was important for both of your like. Yeah. I don't I don't think. Ever planned? But I'm so glad that it that it was that way. Like, I am an absolute extrovert. I love people. I love socializing. But I recharge alone. I've learned that about myself and both of us will more around each other. We wanna put on the smile, free other. We want to be strong free charter. But when we're alone, we can really process, right? The what what does this mean? What does this mean for me? What does this mean for him? And honestly, the first three years more than that three years. Four months. We never really talked about the worst case scenario. It was always like, okay, babe. If this treatment doesn't work don't worry, I've got this. And I've got this. And you're going to try this and I'll blend this. And I'll rub this on you. And it was like one thing. And it really wasn't until the last month where it's like, okay. Let's have some of the harder discussions, and you don't want have them because they're brutal. And they're they they're hard. So having some time alone allows us to process like what what's going on like, and then we can come together with more clarity of thought. But I'll tell you like day after Christmas. I'm I was a psychopath. I was in my back bedroom. I could not I could not stop crying. And I was like couldn't figured out. An and then I was just mad. I've so mad and in my mind, I was like. He didn't take out the garbage this morning. I'm so mad at him. See you don't really need him. Like, it was czar coping mechanism like I was trying to figure out what my life would be without him. And had all these whole big just these crazy thoughts. And and I didn't I didn't wanna talk to him about it. So find that night. He's like, hey, are you? Okay. Yes, I'm fine. You know, are you? Okay. Yes. I'm fine. As I more time all. Just get it. He can I take you out to dinner. I mean, we've been married for twenty two years. I don't know you're holding. Well, I don't want you know, I don't want. My smiles and my my laughter to hide so much morning, and so much pain like the amount of days that I've wept, but I'm at a place that both of us are at this place of surrender in a sense. And like there's power in that where you go. We've done everything we know how to do and the universe is going to take over. And it also helps like down, and I are married forever. Like everyone. I know you're listening to listeners have their own spiritual beliefs. We're married forever. Like our families together forever. I believe I hope I pray. I beg that in a worst case scenario that he is still apart of my every day, you know, and I believe that I believe that he will be. So I also. Like cancers disease of love. I've heard people say that before Mike, screw you. Go take your slogan somewhere else. Like, I'm not buying that today. But after going through it and realizing like he could have been hit by a truck, right and had been taken from me, but we've had so much time to tweak in a range in love and figure things out and. Loose ends and closure. And you know, and I feel like I'm talking about the end. But they're still a part of me that I'm like it's not over yet. I it's it's not over yet. Like I've seen. I've seen football team's win. Throwing a hail Mary. And you watch that ball like to the very last second. And that's what we're doing. Hurry taking care of yourself while I have a really good morning routine. And that such a good question. Like, I'm like, okay. What what things have been serving me? What things have not been serving the I'll tell you right now. Wallowing and feeling sad. It doesn't feel good. Like it. Just doesn't feel good and the MEK. Okay. What what does serve me? Oh, here's another one that doesn't here. I'll go doesn't. I think he too far in the future. Like, if I go too far it like I can't I come undone like even last night, we were in the hot tub and even just thinking what's my life in? I don't know five years thought of not having my I don't wanna have a life like I don't want to live, and he's like charity, you've got these kids. And anyway, let's just not less. We don't think too far ahead. We just take it one day time here the things that are serving my morning routine. I think is what serves me I get up YouTube five this morning. I got a little bit earlier. So I could hit the gym. So I do my physical like, which you know, when people talk about. Yeah. Of course, I'd want it for a hot body. But really, let's be honest. I'm doing it. Because it helps me emotionally really really does. So I do my physical in the morning, and then I come home and usually can get the kids off to school, and then I will do sweat we've and infrared sauna I'm very lucky best thousand dollar purchase on castle ever. So I get in the. Sauna, and I kinda sweat things out. And then I do some spiritual. I do I read scriptures. I pray I meditate. And so I just have this kind of I've been able to get those things done. And then I'll usually read something intellectual that stimulates my mind so that I can go to work and build a brand and do these other things and nothing other thing like silver from brand having having an outlet for me. That's a safe place for my brain to go has been really, really helpful. I wish people could see your faces. I'm talking face, and I can see there is in there. So beautiful. On this. This is a little side note the sauna so why do you do this on like, what are the benefits was it for him? Originally. It was originally for me we were living in the dump dump dump of a house because we were trying to buy this land and develop this land. And I was like if I need one thing in this dump a house. There was mice. I'm telling you guys like it was bad. And I just got on castle. Guys have like, I don't know. Like what is used? You can buy anything you to concerts, you could buy furniture. I dunno Utah thing. Locally. I guess. Okay. Something like that. So I got online and there was the sonnet was like an hour away. And I said Dana's like I would like to get us on. He's like where did that come from? I don't know. But I want I want. Yeah. So we went and got it. And by this time, I had done a lot. I was fully engaged in the whole health and wellness. I'd read a lot about the health benefits of the sauna. And then it just now obviously with him. So specifically for the liver delivers like your sewage treatment center, right? Well, you're only other organ that can really kind of help your liver. Take a break is your largest organ, which happens to be your skin. So right now, I'm trying to have him because his liver can't really kind of get rid of everything used the sauna to try to help detox the sauna, but even on top of that like, there's plenty of studies on cardiovascular disease, people that just heart health, you wouldn't think that but that temperature that you're in your. Has to quickly regulate it actually strengthens your heart. So yeah. And it's just this is just a space for me to go. How have you navigated? I guess the recent conversations to, you know, just thinking you said you'd had to have the harder conversations recently. I wouldn't even know where to start. I guess. Yeah. I think for me like I don't go there. And till I know where to start does that make sense because you'll find yourself in this loophole? Where like, I don't even know like an I'm talking like a crazy person. And so when I'm on the treadmill or I'm in the sauna, or I'm reading my scriptures, or whatever that gives me time to really process like what what is it? What are the conversations that that we need to have? And what does what does Dan need from me? What do I need from Dan? And then then we can go. And here's what's really interesting, though, you don't need to have as many conversations as you think you do like what do the kids need to know, they their dad loves them Yano guess what he's been doing that for twenty two years right to do. I need to know that he loves me Yano. We like that's that's a lifetime. You don't wait to the like, you don't wait 'til conversation to have that. So it's all these little things that when I was. Alone. I think okay. I know I don't I don't need that conversation. Right. It was more. Silly little the littlest things like Dan, both swimming pool in our backyard. It's a luxury I get it. But I look at that swimming pool, and I come undone and finally like looked out the window, and Dan are crying like what what I don't. I don't know how to do people. I didn't want to have the conversation about this. Because I didn't want to imply that he wasn't going to make it you don't even mean. So it's just it's just little things one data time. And then you, and then you just let everything else go. That's what I've just I fight for the piece. I fight for the happiness, and I let everything else go. And besides like, so I think that's like a good. You have good. You have great experience. Figuring had a navigate hard conversation. So besides being very prepared for them. Like what else? Do you do to set the scene for have a hard conversation? Is it like at night or after you guys were out or something like that? Because they know that there are a lot of women that listen that do have hard conversations. Probably maybe not as intense about, you know, life or death, but in their lives, so what could they do to prepare themselves for hard conversations that they're having with someone they love so don't do in your tired, like a mess when I'm tired. I can't I can't even think clearly and and don't do in your emotional. I think as women were such a motion beings. But like that's what I need to talk like when I'm emotional. And you know, it's not when you to talk like go have your eight minutes, get your emotions out because for the really hard conversations. I think he wants to be like, I think I think you want them to be rational and not. Emotional does that make sense? And and honestly, oh, all those sweet women out there that want hard conversations feel like they need to have those conversations. Here's the only thing I would say to like really really evaluate them. Do you really need to have those hard conversations? Like is that serving is it is it really serving you or their things you could just let go because I think sometimes when I was first married to Dan. I would want have a conversation about everything that was like bad like you didn't unload the dishwasher, you don't do this. You didn't do this. And there's some things like could you just maybe like Turkey. I think you could just let some things just go. And I think that's that's an element of genuine love like when you just give people the benefit of the doubt that they are doing the best that they can like you talked about just meet infinite love like that's a gift that you're giving to him like instead being weaned talk about everything that you did wrong before. Cancer. I would I think I talked about this on our last podcast. So I don't want to repeat myself, which by the way, people go back to our last one that we have. It was. But yet be I what you focus on focus on the good focus on like in the relationships. Yes. Relationships are hard Burlington family like parents, and all these other things, and I've sinking about what you said about was it mental gymnastics about dealing with your family. Right. I have a little bit. I have. I have a lot of that. I think everyone. Yeah. And what really has has done on me is that I owe a lot of my resilience, and my character to the mental gymnastics that I have to do because of my family. So in some ways, our families deserve our gratitude. Wow. Right. Like, you say, thanks to your family because look at look at you look at what you've done like look who you've become because of that, you know, and who knows maybe maybe you agreed before that you're like Kay, Krista. Here's your you're going to become but here's how you're going to get there. So. So are our greatest struggles could be our biggest teachers, anyway, I definitely know that in the relationship to like with, you know, minds less than, but I really don't say anything about the apartment or about bills, or you know, and I'm not married. I don't have children. So it's completely different. But the little stuff that just does. I really don't talk about you know, with like kind of my choice to deal with him. Always having a pair of dirty under on the foreigner bathroom. Justin. Hope you're listening on. My my bird, and it's my cross to bear. But it just doesn't matter. It's never gonna change. And it doesn't matter and I'll drive myself crazy doing it. And then he has the opportunity to do that to me because I have stuff, you know, per just Oiseaux. I completely agree with you on that. And think of how much you would miss that dirty underwear if anything happens, you wouldn't keep it on the ground breaks. Exactly. Yeah. Those that's kind of the perspective that changes. Yeah. You're like how lucky I am. I that I have a human living with. Yeah. Wow. Okay. I have to tell all of you. Because I don't know who else I'm going to tell but I've been wearing the twenty four seven classic Condor plunge bra from third love in nude. And I loved it so much that I ordered in black which means. We're building a collection here. And when I'm building a collection in bras. It means I am totally sold its comfortable the qualities incredible. It's sexy. It's supportive without being too constricting or uncomfortable. I love this grant. And what's great about third. 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Like, you just you read and read and read and and bless everybody's heart that reads because they want to be intelligent, and they they want to know. But when you're in it like, you don't know like you try, but you don't know and the truth is the doctors don't know, they don't know everyone's trying now that said, I have developed a genuine appreciation for modern medicine that I did not have before this. We chose not to do the traditional route in the beginning. I was afraid I night. And I genuinely thought that Dan had better chances if we did some alternative type things and hence Tijuana Tijuana, right? You're like, why do you an insurance didn't cover it me? It was a huge burden. But I very much felt like modern medicine wasn't embracing ancient medicine and ancient medicine, unfortunately in in lots of circles shuns modern medicine, and so what I've learned is. We just need a marriage of both. We just we need a little bit of both. When we finally did start chemotherapy, it was when the alternative treatments weren't working. His tumors were starting to grow. I mean modern medicine we could see the scans. We could see the blood work. It wasn't working anymore. It had been working, but it wasn't anymore. So then we started chemotherapy. And guess what? Chemotherapy, did it shrink the tumors like idol, I was so afraid of you know, because I was really into the whole. Woo hoo. Staff and all the alternative type things. And so I have genuinely learned to appreciate like, I said modern medicine that said I can't go to a doctor point with dance current doctor. I can't be in the same room with him. And I haven't been able to go with him for. For eighteen months. His mother goes with him. She loves it. It's time to connect. Because when I'm there with him he insists that I face reality. And that Dan's kind of on death's door like a year ago. He said to Dan. Dan, are you in pain Dana's? No. And he says, well, you probably will be this week. And you've had a good fight. I've never seen. Dan were deflated. I've never got. Right. I was like you don't you don't know like. Your only job is to be like, you're not in pain. That's amazing. Keep up whatever you're doing. And for while. He was very he he was very very, I don't know what insulted that we had even gone to Mexico, or like the fact that I was doing all these other treatments, but then damn team his man like your scans, a great like I don't they gave him eighteen months to live and it's been over three years, but never ever wants to. He say like, what are you doing? Maybe my other patients could benefit from this. Like, let me like what are you doing to like never and he called me two days ago? I haven't even really shared this with anybody. My husband, and my one good friend. He called me to these. As like charity. I'm calling to let you know that I care, and I just called the office because I did some research and found a medicine that helps with itching. So when your livers shutting down you issue body kept the ammonia itching edge all over and they give an. Histamine, but this date just really wasn't helping down. And I thought well, what can I do? Well, I know I researched I'll get on all get online. And sure enough. There was this prescription that helps for this exact reason. So I call the doctor's office. Hey, could you see if you could call this in? I think it might help Dan while he the bend the doctor called me back and charity, I called them the prescription like you asked me to just very very patronizing. Amac, thank you. And he says there's one word that I really need to tell you came on seen him or spoken to him in eighteen months. And he says hospice. Like what? Dan's in the other room watching football on his like Jim saying, I was like. I just anyway fell to meet slap me in the face. Like an punch me in the stomach. And I was like I can't even process. What like he was saying to me anyway. So so your question of why I I don't know that you really like it. Yeah. Yes. As like, oh, are you with this doctor? No. I know it's ridiculous. I know I say these stories I shouldn't because I can't be the victim damone. It was because Dan loves the nurses there. The nurses are amazing. Right. And there's one live are the heart of the and they're the ones that do the treatment and there with him, and he loves them. And and so it's all good. So here's what I've learned about medicine. Way way way too, many people put all of their trust into a doctor, which is fine, except it's the response on you. You know, you better than anybody. When I used to teach these nutrition classes, I would tell people if something I say doesn't ring true to you like don't listen to me, you you cannot take this responsibility. People don't want the responsibility. Right. They don't want the responsibility to take care of themselves. Most people because it's a lot of efforts to work. They'd rather just put it in a doctor's hand so documents. Well, I don't know you need steroids. I dunno. You need antibiotics. I dunno try this. So I I have learned that. But unfortunately, it hurts my heart even say this. I've learned that the alternative world is not full of miracles and magic either right? The oils aren't going to cure cancer. Maybe maybe sometimes, and and this isn't going to do, Geno. What I'm saying like, so I kind of look at disease like just a flaming fire, and you need as many hoses as you possibly can. And modern medicine is one hose, but so meditation, so as exercise so's love and laughter and friendship and herbs and oils and healthy, food and juicing right? They're all hoses, and you do the best you can with all of them. And then at some point you you go I've done everything I can do. But when it's not terminal you keep trying right? If like, and that's one thing when when I talked to people like if you haven't figured it out keep trying, and that's why I love being a part a very small company like a very small part of people's lives with with products. Like, listen, I genuinely feel like a lot of illnesses start in the gut. Like, here's a probiotic that. I know a work were if you're not getting the food that you should here's here's vitamins that I know come from good whole food sources or that sort of thing. So because I'm a control freak. It's like one little element that I can at least offered to people's health journey. And the it's interesting to at the doctor. It's almost like because you tried so much. He was had to tell you that. He only had this time to live. It's like almost like punishing you toter the years that you did of the non traditional treatment, you know. It's almost like, okay. Will you did that while you're you don't have much time? And then it's like you found this treatment that he may have missed an it's like another punishment. Yep. Hospices coming up, and it's like, I mean, that's crazy. And you know, what though there's there's there's a part of me that I'm like, okay charity. You don't know either. So be generous with your love this man deals with death. I know I don't deal with death. Right. How many people does like I don't know what he deals with? I don't know if this is his genuine way of saying. Okay. Here's the sweet girl. She's she's in the clouds, and I just wanna maybe. Her like, a so so I've had to just choose off the phone like, okay? Did he call me from a place of malice and hate? I don't think he did. Yeah. It hurt my hurt my heart. But I just have to choose to be like, you know, what I think that maybe that was his way of carrying. Here's a pretty lousy way. But not. So he brought that perspective. Yeah. Yeah. This is heavy like, I listen your podcast to laugh guy. But you bring such light. And focus on what's really important during this time because I think it's easy to spiral. You know? It's it's easy to lose your way, and you are such a light. And I just think about your kids and how they're going to. You know, in however, many years just look back at how strong you're in. How how honest and how much of how you just lead with your heart. You know? And that's I mean, yeah, it's, you know, one thing my husband has said even honestly before he was diagnosed, and he's like you get one shot at life like he'd be like we have four little kids you kinda of taking away. Like, no, you're not we can't we can barely pay the bills. He's I've got it figured out. We can use some points to get there. And I found a cheap hotel or whatever. Like, I was. I was like, no, no, no. We can't. No, we can't. And he was always the yes guy. He's like you get one one shot to live life. And you know, so yesterday told you we went up in my brother-in-law's airplane. What had this really kind of this this Pitney yesterday? And this is what it was that. And I share this on my Instagram story. But I was like a great life doesn't just happen to you. Like you have to make it happen. So here's the example, what happened yesterday my brother-in-law? He's my husband's twin he lives next door. He super super cool. He has a plane. He's like, hey, I've got I've got to go up puts you guys wanna come. Why just walked in from the gym? I had a hard workout. I was hungry. I had to do some grocery shopping on US flying here to L A all day. So yesterday morning, I said, Dan, I was like, I don't know. What do you think in? He's like, I don't know. And then we kind of looked each other. Like, you know, what we should? We should just do it. Because that's my husband's type like that's how he is. Like if there's an opportunity, you just take it. And it was so we up in this airplane. We're flying over you guys the Teton mountains Yellowstone faithful go, I know, it's ridiculous. Funner pinching myself. And I was like you almost said no to this. And then I thought why did I almost say no because it was easy to say. No, right. Someone's life just living it the exact same way the same job the same people the same experiences. Right. It's because it's easy. It's what you know. So that's what I realize like an enriching life that uplift. Sue, guess what it takes effort like you stepped out of your comfort zones. You left your job? Like, you're like, okay. I'm gonna make the effort because I want to experience life. You get one shot. Life is not address rehearsal. So it's like make an amazing and the inverse is true. It's like it like with that. You know? It's like if you don't do the thing than you won't get what you want. What you say you want, you know, like as having conversation with someone in my family yesterday. And they were talking about someone that they know that's really depressed, really unhappy. Easy. But wants to do this thing wants to leave the family business into do this thing. And they're like, yeah. You know, they might quit and do it on like they have they started at and they're lick. No, they're probably going to quit the job and do it. I'm like, okay. Why haven't they started at? They're like, well, you know, interest all of these things I'm like, they don't want it. They're not going to do it. They're going to continue to be unhappy. Because if you want something you're gonna make it happen. No matter what. And you're going to figure out a way. And right now, you're going to use it as an excuse that the full leap is too much. And you won't take the tiny stuff that actually makes sense. So it's like so often I will come across people and from my hometown or like anywhere, you know, that I've been and they say that they want these things, but they won't take tiny steps because they believe it has to be a big leap, you know. So if they look at almost thirty if I would look to almost thirty where we are. Now, I'd been like, oh, there's no way I'm ever gonna get there. But it's really like the small things that you have to do. And you know in your case, it's doing the small things to like have these. Beautiful moments or saying the yes when you really just have to check everything off on your to do list. But yeah, I know exactly what you mean. Yeah. It's it's so true says they those little tiny things can make all the difference. Yeah. And people just say that they want things, and they really don't, you know, their actions don't line up to what they say. They want you know. So it's like, oh, you wanna live a really really fulfilling and beautiful life. Well, you actually do have to put an effort behind. It doesn't just happen to you. Just a lot of cases, you know, were privileged enough where you know, in my them privileged enough to have situations and have, you know, support from my family to pay me through college and stuff like that. But you do have to also take responsibility. If you do wanna make a change or you're going to have to live a life that like other people said out for you. Yeah. Well, I think sometimes people their spark their light in them is dimming, and they just need it to be knighted. So they flip on a podcast like yours like where where you guys are like, hey, like. Like, look like life can be amazing. It can be reaching. And so I'm so grateful for people that inspire me or motivate me. And how you dislike my flame was so dull today, and then boom like this system are. Yeah. That's the truth. That is the truth last question for me. What if you learned about love? Oh. All right. The thought of being without him. So painful. Probably only because the love is so deep, right. So I'm like, I've learned. Love is everything. Like love might my of my husband left for my kids love for humans love for God. Love for life like left for goodness. It's everything. It's it's just it's everything and people die without love. Right babies die without love communities too high without love countries are are dying right with war without love like love is everything. And and like like everything that's good. It takes effort, and I think of love like things that I used to get upset. Oh. We're just focused on the things that weren't amazing. And rather than to see like. All the good, right? All the good. And so I just I've been so I feel so lucky in love so lucky that I remember once like we I I was upset about something and down look at me. And he'd say like, I don't know you're upset about like you've got a man right here. That loves you, go my gosh. Right. And so my heart hurts for people to don't feel love or don't have love or feel that they need need love in in trying to preface because I think what I want everybody to know is they can they can find the love in themselves. Like, I find the love from God in myself that you don't need a man or you don't need a baby or you don't need. Does that make sense I'm saying, but those things have been rich to my life like so-forth only. But one thing that I've really had the hardest time is trying to navigate what will my life be like without love. And like, I can't even I can't even I can't go there yet. And I'm just hoping that the love we have is enough, and we'll be enough ever forever. And the love of people around me and the love I now try to see everywhere. And you like, I just I wish you listeners. I wish you could see these girls basis like they're just they're you're both so beautiful they've tears in their eyes. And like you guys are loving, you're spreading love, and I don't know. I lash out. Here's all over face. I mean. Yeah. That's it is everything is just it's. In the face of something that is. So we'll bring you to your knees like to be able to fall into the love and really. Use that as like the the sword. Enor- name, Ian is like you transcended all of the defaults that most people would turn to which is getting angry and and not appreciating each other. Yeah. Yeah. I can I can see truly how sometimes the hard can rip people are because it's too right? It's it's just too hard. And I think I think my husband he is just is an easy one of him so bad. But now. Now. So amazing. He so if you'll him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've been like you have to keep us in the loop as yeah. Yeah. And like, I said, I still believe in miracles, right? Us too. Yeah. Big. Yeah. I mean, this whole situation is a miracle. You know for the length and for the perspective and for totally totally. And I wanted to say about the love thing. It's like, I realized to that, you know, the amount of love you can experience in your life is the amount of love that you can like allow, you know, it's like the allowing and the creation. It's not like. Someone can't bring love into your life. You're not willing to receive the out of openness, you have for love is the capacity that you will be full, you know, as the capacity that you will receive it. So I've always had like, you know, you can have a relationship with someone and they can love you so much, but if you're not willing to receive it, then it's near never gonna feel it, and they probably won't get that back. But there is something beautiful that if you have this huge capacity to love that you both can, you know, experience something beautiful. Yeah. Well, said I remember when I I was like it was like my first time Justin I had been talking for like six months via text and we had seen each other probably twice. We've probably seen each other in person twice. Probably the third time in Madame. I got Brock from Patagonia, which I was there for a month, and we weren't able to talk 'cause I was didn't have my phone or any. Like that. And I was gonna find a New York that next day to spend the night with them like our third time hanging out. But I knew he was like the one, and I remember I was like with them. And I was like I really wanna be with you because you had this insane capacity to love I was like, I just know it, you know, I just know that you had this like intense Bassetti to love like. And he's like probe what? Spent? No, he like got it. But it was. But I know exactly what you mean. I'm so thankful I love those people on the earth. Right. Those people that have that capacity love to teach the rest of us. What it feels like in? What can be like I was in the store, and I saw this old, man. He just smiled just stood in line. Everyone else is in line Costco, on their phones. Right. And he's standing there his just smiling. And I was just like I want to be that. I wanna be a light. I want to just be that that for people that might you know, when we never know what we need it. And just in that moment. I was like I needed. I needed his smile. It. Just it just cheered me up. I'm drawn to happy people drawn to people that smile, I'm sure as soon as I saw Justin. I'd be like, oh, you would just want to. But it is those written like active those random times new see active engagement in life. You know? And you see that man that is actively participating in this moment in his life. He is at Costco, his feet are on the ground. He's in line. He's smiling. Str-? Rangers. And it is like the best reminder, and the most, you know, brave thing and the most beautiful thing that you can do because I mean, especially with our phones there such an ease to not actively participate in life to sit at dinner be on the phone to sit watching TV and beyond the phone. And it is a challenge that I struggle with I tackle back and forth between active participation and not. And there are times when active participation is not needed, and you kind of need to regroup. But that is like the most beautiful thing when you when you recognize new see someone that's like here. Now, you know, so often we hear be present be present. But for me it goes transfer so little bit deeper than that. And it is. So I'm writing a book I'll come back on something done with her and one of the chapters in the book is called commit to connecting. Right. So one thing to be present. But why why are you present? It's connect like that that man was off. Offering connection to anyone that wanted it with his smile. Yeah. It's like so with my kids sometimes like get off the phone. We're going to connect or it's just it's just making again that effort to really connect because we all we all we need. We're not on this planet alone. I believe like God had the power to build a planet free persons. Stick them on alone. If that's what he really like if you were meant to live alone. But we're not we're all in this journey together. And I am I like I'm ignited when I can connect with people even just now with you guys right now like I feel more alive because of because we've connected we've shared, and it could be the smallest smallest little thing. But we're losing we're losing connection because of social media and these things that pretend that we're connecting. And that's the only thing I've learned about love like it just it fills fills things that nothing else can fill. Thank you, heavy know beautiful in crowd was going to help a lot of people. I hope so thankful you're here. Never want. You to leave guys come have a slumber party. I'm literally on the way here. I've never been weird. If I was like, do you wanna come have party house? The house is beautiful. It blows me away. Away. Okay. We're doing pretty do is in Utah. No. But it's not. Geographically challenged myself. I only know that today. God. Yeah. We'll go to how far away are you from John? It's it's a little bit of a way three hours. Yeah. Yeah. Three three to four hours. I'm in not do it. It's the most beautiful. Yeah. We seem to plan out little okay? K ready? I need a little. Oh. With you. So so on my social media, which is a vibrant life my company, which we didn't even really talk about which now only by. As silver fern brand dot com. And then obviously on our social media, silver fern brand. And eventually, I'll have a website, and and a book and other things. So you best amazing and silver for brand is my favorite protein of choice. I like the chocolate and I've been loving the vanilla. I like it. 'cause it has probiotics. I never feel to full taste is insane. And then those are all our probiotics in my multi-vitamin. 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Ep 101. Squirming in Sequim
"It's crazy and Noel. They're gonna make you LOL On Any Day Fiance trash. Hello and welcome to 90 Day Fiance trash talk. This is episode 101 and I'm your host comedian Tracey. Carnazzo joined by my co-host Noelle Winters Herzog. Hi. Hello. Hi Noel. Thanks so much for being here. Today. We're here to talk about 90 Day Fiance season 8 episode 4 before we get into the episode. I would love to invite everyone who's listening to join us over a patreon.com No Trash Talk podcast for hundreds of bonus episodes including 90 Day Fiance self quarantine trash-talk unexpected trash talk and our original programming m e s where Noel and I talked about day-to-day things. We answer some fan questions and we really just have a grand old time if you want more of us. Make sure you go. And again, that's patronage. Dot-com slash Trash Talk podcast very nice. That was very real. It was very commercial esque. Thank you so much. I'm going for a convert. Like I want AT&T, maybe hear me do that. And then I I want to be the voice of AT&T. Listen, I'll take T-Mobile at this point. Are you going to take a MetroPCS at this point? We'll take a boost package will be the voice of the prepaid phones at 7-Eleven. Is this still a thing? They still have prepaid phones, I guess right? I think so you're calling cards. I remember, you know, it's so funny because we're talking about 90 Day Fiance and these people are using WhatsApp and they're using the computer and it's like you don't know the struggle of actually talking to someone in another country before technology. It's like, do you understand how bad you would be in debt from buying phone cards at the bodega? I will tell you something. It wasn't even that long ago because birth I can't remember what year it was. I think it was like 2012 something like that. There was a birthday party at my house for myself. Right? Like when I lived in Brooklyn and one of our friends both old friend Eddie came and he brought in there. Yeah, he went to seven eleven and I guess he thought he should get me some gifts there. He shouldn't be handed. So you got me some owl bracelets that I still have wage and a bunch of calling cards know. I don't know. Why did he think that you were possibly going to prison? I don't know. It's like what do you do and I still have the bracelets. I don't know what I did with the calling cards. Maybe I gave them to the bodega. I don't know you don't get back to the community. Yeah. I was just like this is just why didn't you just get me a gift card? You got off a Western Union slip for $25, right? He paid my commissary. Well, I think that he might 2012. I feel like he might have been a little bit out-of-date. He is out of date. Yes, I do. I will say that I have stood in line in Western Union to send money to the Dominican Republic before not for myself. I mean the funny thing is like I know you have no I have yeah, when you go to a Western Union, it is a different world in there. There are things that happen in this universe that you don't know about until you go into certain places and Western Union is an alternate universe. Okay, I believe that it's off, you know what check cashing places are an alternate universe. Yeah see that when and now no offense to anyone who cannot legally have a bank account. Yes, but those are the people that frequent check cashing places. Yeah, we've all dated them. We've all loved them. I was raised by one my father never had a bank account in his whole life. He did everything. He I remember birth At the check cashing place by our house a Christmas bonus, uh-huh like a hundred bucks, or could I remember him saying no L. I have to go cash my check and then you could have the car facts and I'm like is that it? I feel like that was anything more like back in the day when you used to get a paper check from work. Okay, that is true. Right cuz there was no like direct deposit then in general. All right. Yeah, cuz even if you had a bank account, yeah, you would still have to deposit it and wait for it to clear. Right? Like when I worked in Applebee's I check I cashed all my checks at the check cashing place know what we used to do this all the time. Yeah. I also I used to pay bills. Sometimes at the check cashing. Oh my god. Do you remember that going to like go pay your Con Ed bill at? Yeah. She plays God. I remember that I used to go round. Yeah. My grandmother would be like go get me a money order. Is that even a thing? Okay. Well, I will tell you I did recently cuz you know, I had to renew my marrying license not too long. Someone but to be the officiant. Okay, and I had to get a money order for $15. Well, I think it was like a yeah, it was a bank money order or something a bank check really they wouldn't take a your personal check. No because you have to send it in the mail and alone. He's like, yeah, like any kind of like government agency like you kind of have to send interesting. Yeah, so I did that. All right. Well anyway speaking of alternate universe speaking of checks speaking of alternate universes with aliens. Let's get into this episode. All right, we're going to start with Natalie and Mike. Okay, we're going to talk about boring and boring. Okay. I don't know if this is boring. I think this is insane. I don't know if I'd say, she's insane. I'd say that she's the hardest person to please in the office problematic. How about that? Okay, good word. Definitely. Okay. So this is so the first day that she was in America. She woke up in this beautiful sweet in Seattle. Yeah, which probably home. A very wrong idea which was which was he said that he he mentioned that it was like 4:50 to 5:50 or something like that. This was a that like thousands of dollars this week. I think yeah left it up so long. That's the way she woke up date one day to she's in a trailer. She's in what is it squirm squim. She where she's she's were Washington. She's not coming in Sequim. Yeah, I don't blame her though because this place looks very cold. I think you would like the climate. I don't like the climate Okay, but here's the thing came from the Ukraine. Okay. So that's the thing. When I worked in Applebee's you work there to a lot of people who worked with were from the Ukraine and that would say like you guys don't even know Winter's right like would have to eat our soup cold because we can't have it hot because it's too cold out. Yes, right. We love ice cube soup, right like borscht is actually supposed to be served hot but it's impossible. It starts out as a piping hot soup and then as we walk it to the table, it is chilly ice cold. It's so true that there was this couple this guy was actually in Siberia. He's like you think this is a winter cuz I was like called and he's like, this is the summer for us. Like he's like it's crazy. But that's what I'm saying. Like, she's not I would not listen. Do you remember when Jay came from Jamaica to live with Ashley in Pennsylvania? And it was like going out shaking? Yeah. Okay understandable sure how long it comes from somewhere that is hot all the time, and he was not dressed appropriately. He probably had never seen snow before. Yeah, I can understand that. Right? Why is she this way? Natalie is cold inside of her heart. Natalie is not okay. She's not. Okay. So now she wakes up in the cold trailer. Yes, and they're going to make breakfast. So she washes the eggs, which I wasn't against it. No, I don't make fun of her for it. I just I've never heard of anything like okay, but here's the other thing. I don't know why she has to discuss it. Just do it. Right. She's like I'm going to wash the egg now. When's the eggs off? Yeah, okay, actually great idea. They were yeah, I'm not a part where they were, right? Who knows actually we do know that's why we're going to rinse them. So she's going to make French toast. She's never had french toast Before He suggests French toast, right and now he didn't present it to her and she didn't know where it came from. She made it. Well, okay. That's the thing. She knew what she was getting into with this. Okay, she loves eggs, cuz I know that she loves eggs because she's I watched her make eggs in the Ukraine, but meanwhile, she calls herself a vegan so I don't understand wage. Okay, but you know when you're washing the eggs that these are not getting whole frags, right? They're not flax eggs. Thank you. That was very good one. Good job Noel right place. This is no flax egg by friend your washing off a chicken egg. Yes a headache if you will hmm an egg, Her neck and she dips the French toast in right right. There's a little bit of cinnamon. There's some vanilla involved. Right? Right. They they're brown in the pan. So she knows what's in it, right? She knows that it gets sauteed or fried or whatever like she knows some kind of custard is going on, right? Yeah and then song she looks like he served her his ball hair like Rocky Mountain Oysters. Yeah, you know, yeah, it was like them. They're good. Don't worry about what they oh, that's the thing that you wouldn't swallow it. She just kept chewing it like it was dialing. It's red. Okay. Also, I might have said like, you know, I don't love that. I thought going to have some toast right or like you know what this is too sweet for me or whatever. I don't know. So now she's still complaining about the cold right and how long has Double Trouble? What's the double trouble she had to change her country and it's cold in America Double Trouble. Okay, but guess what? What did you know you were moving to America but apparently not because you knew for like four years. Yeah, you know what though? I do feel bad for all of these women because they're moving to what they think is America took moving to like the armpit of okay. Guess what you're talking to him for quite a while. What about Svetlana your best friend? That's also best friends with my ex best friend. She lives in the airport, right? They're actually the godparents of that Lana's child. Okay, so hey, right he's fetty what is it? Like in squirmy, right. Is it is it like New York City are the streets paved with gold? Right? Oh, it's in a mountain. Okay, you know what, I could do Mike. What's your address? I'm going to Google Earth, but that's the thing or I want you to show me on your phone when you and I face chat, we fished out every day connect your surroundings. Oh, you're a trailer. Okay, I would also say is it how what's the weather like there? Is that hard though? There's snow everywhere cuz I could see it every day when you FaceTime me. Oh cuz also it's here, right? I don't know. She she sucks. Yeah, so she said that now here's another thing. You know that Mike has a job, right we had before she knew that before she moved so she's like I'm going to be home with no car. So he's like listen, here's my suggestion to you, right? Why don't you unpack relax. I'll show you how to ride the quad right? That sounds fun. He's giving birth. Like a really a nice life. I would like to stay home all of the time. I had the quad if I hadn't tried the quad around like you know, like what is it that you have to do? He's not like listen, you're going to have to get a job tomorrow, right? He's not like you have to have dinner on the table for me every night. Nothing. He's like unpack relax. Yeah and okay. Well, he doesn't know how she's going to react but she hates the French toast back cuz and now okay, so let's go back to this not healthy, right and she's very strict. Apparently. She drinks a lot of vitamins. She does all her vitamins. She she eats carrots for her skin. Oh, well, she's very weird. She wants a carrot. Right? Cuz it makes her skin glow and I gotta tell you I don't know if it's the carrots that make her skin glow or if it's the evil shining it is that is what it is. So she gets up like a psychopath Cuz she needs to make a point to him. Right like she was going to eat a raw onion and be like, I guess this is all I have to eat. But okay, I've proved those points before but here's the thing. We've all done it but it's not it's not real but he didn't prepare for her to come. He did it. He did not have like he could have gone grocery shopping. You know what she likes vegetables. They were going to town an hour later. No, I just made in life. Like he didn't even know if he had T, you know that I before I get but he did you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know I would have said something like if you if I'm comfortable enough with you to come. Yeah to your country. Yeah, I would be like listen. I drink Earl Grey tea every month. If you could have a box of that for me in the house. I really like yogurt for breakfast. So if you could just have that and then when I get there, let's go grocery shopping together. Oh, I meant to get yogurt at the store today. Yeah. Well, you may need a carrot now, I don't okay. I do not like raw carrots like at all a little bit Yeah. Well your heart would shine out of your house and I also drinking out of a I love New York mug. Yeah. I saw a very big mug. I like the size. I did like the size. But okay. So now she's very very mad. He didn't buy the food that she wants and she said as a quote, I just eat my carrot in the corner, which I loled when she said that hm. Okay. What what does that mean in the corner? You're not allowed at the table? It means like I don't come first. He doesn't think about me. I'm just like thrown to the corner to the side right and shut up, baby. We put baby in the corner to eat her carrot and then she takes a bite of the carrot. Right and she looks him right in the face and she goes so good to boil with bunnies. Isn't that weird? She said that long so weird. I suddenly his name was Dan so weird. I will not be ignored Dan. So now this is still the second day. She's here. I I know would have bought her on Expedia as she was peeling the carrot a ticket. I would be terrified to come home to her every day cuz it's like her eyes. Like I feel like I'm just going to open the door and she's going to be there looking at me. Hello. Hello, Michael Fairview all day, but you do I went on the quad. Oh, yeah, I went on the quad. All right, so it's still the second now, he's going to take her to town. They're going to go carrot shopping. Right? And she asks as they're driving. When is the end of the wood? And he's like the woods don't ahead and we live in them. We live inside of them. Yeah. No, she doesn't understand this though. So now he tries to explain the creek right? He's like listen when it gets warmer will go down to the creek. It's super fun. We can go fishing. It's like a beautiful little area, you know water and she looks at him and goes do I have to Yeah, she's mean so now he's explaining the town. He's like that's where I get my hair. Right? That's the carrot specialty store. This year's the clothing store girl and she goes she's like, this is small town. But what did you expect? So then she remembers that she read about a waterfall. It's Southern Florida that's in like right. It's like six hours away and he she's like, I want to see it now and he's like, all right. Well, that's about two or three hours away in a different area and we could definitely go the week after next and she's like no I want to go now and he's like, well, this is short notice. So like we can't go this she's like, okay, but I want to go not next weekend this weekend coming up on Friday and he's like, okay I can't cuz I have to go to work right and she's like, please Yes, she was like pouting like a child. Okay, so he's like listen, you need to stop right? She's like what am I going to do? You're not going to take me to the waterfall. I have nothing to do I could clean that whole house in one day. I could unpack and two hours. I could kill you and chop you off fifteen minutes, right? And then what do I do? So now she's ignoring him. Also. She has no jacket on. Okay. Also, there's no snow. There's no snow anywhere. No snow any ride. She's stomping her feet because she's yeah, so now they stopped at like a gas station, right but they were going to park and walk around and she's going to run away. She's going to run into traffic right with her acid wash jeans. Okay, but here's the thing and I will say something a very strange thing happened here the the shoes, right? Yes. She has like riding boots, right and she's walking away. She's running away from him and then all of a sudden you look and he's holding her from behind. First of all. Yeah. Give me a break. He's not holding her from behind. She would have back kicked him like a horse, right? She's wearing off Ultra short tugs right little light show. They were outside that they were like booties. Yeah. Yeah. They were the they were the ultra-short. Oh, yeah. Okay. Well, she said what she went up that out. I'm on the road. Right? What is that mean? Does that mean you want to go get gas alone? What you don't have your in the woods right? So does he have to sign a car and then you stand by a car? She's being difficult. She's not like she won't adapt to anything. She says she's hungry and she's called. Okay. Guess what? I have a suggestion put on a jacket cost pet Lana right you could also just go stay with her and see how warm her house is. Check the temperatures. What's going on here? Right? Yeah, she's very hard to deal with and I he's not the best either but I feel bad for him. I don't see what he really did. He's a like, I mean sure he didn't like prepare a lot of guys don't offer. He didn't do anything bad. That's the thing. I guess maybe she wants more effort from him and he knows that be be more specific. She's yeah, I agree. All right, I agree now we meet what a character she is fun. I like it. She's bringing it. She's definitely bringing it. Stephanie is from Grand Rapids, Michigan. She's fifty-two years old and she is training right now for the world record Guinness Book World Record of the most hours of hula hooping, which is 1 hour 100 hours of continuous. Hula hooping. I have to tell you I don't think she could do that. I think my mother would really like to try to do that though. I gotta tell you when I was younger. I was the hula hoop Queen I could hula hoop on everything but like really my waist. I'm not so good at it on my way home. I am I have a hula hoop in my house right now. I have the one too. I wish I hope yes, we really good for us so good for you. Okay. Well, I wrote down fluorescent glass. She has on fluorescent glass in her eyes because it keeps her young and then she injects herself with sir, sir, sir. Morel Morel in I wrote youth serum. Okay. Well, yes and then you see in the background a portrait of her and her cats it's painted. Yes. She is. She really really digs her cats. Yes. She drives a Masarati, right a Maserati. Probably a Maserati not a Masarati, but I know someone named Maserati so oh gosh, he's probably an ex. I have no I have two good friends. And that's the last name. Okay. Oh, that's last name. Okay, so she owns to Med Spas skin off. Mhm. Okay, and they these these specify right? They they specialize in weight loss and age reversal. Yeah. I mean, I feel I go to Cross Bay Boulevard. There's so many of these okay, but also for someone who owns an age reversal spray. Yeah use a Little Neck job. Okay Tracy might the whole time. I'm just staring at her notebooks. All I looked at was her neck and now like she's an old lady neck. I'm not judging but I just feel like if this like that's your life's work know she has an old lady that that's what gives her age is her neck. Okay, so she said that she has no kids because of the trauma that she went through her whole life because her dad was bipolar, right which is terrible cuz it seems she it really affected her. She's not well, so she's talking to the cats and that's how you know, so now she met Ryan he's twenty-seven. He's from Arby's and she's the cougar and she calls them her cub gross. That means mom. Maybe yeah, that's that means gross and gross is what it means literally so 3 and 1/2 years ago. She went on vacation. She met him and then four months later she went back and that's when they started dating cuz she couldn't stop thinking about him. She had to go back four months later. He's very ordinary. Yeah, that's what I don't think there's anything listed there are people on the show. They might be very ugly or very good looking but nobody's ordinary like cult was an ordinary. You know, right? She's he's very like, I mean like regular I can't say anything bad like I'm dating him and you were like, what is you know, you like what he looks like. I'd be like, it's fine. He's just a guy. Yep. I agree cuz he's now gross but he's not hot right like, I mean sure. Yeah, he's just exists exactly. So now very unfortunately, the embassy has closed due to Korea and she you know, they can't get the came on process going home. So she calls dorla his mom because he doesn't pick up the phone. So his both of his mother's talking on the phone and she's actually five years older than Darla Darla seems awfully. Nice. Okay, well is getting a paycheck from this. Well, that's why this is a nice lady. That sends me and my family money. Yeah, lots of money off watches for my son. I love you too. Yeah agreed so we find now she's like, oh is Ryan? Okay. She's like, oh he's so sore from working right? I'm sure I would make you tell my boyfriend that that you were sore from working. Like if I didn't pick up you should be like, oh, oh Tracy, she's here. She's like super tired from working. It's funny. I think he's made me do that before too or I would be like Tracy pick up the phone and break up with him for me. I've done that to tell him sore from working wage. Yes, and I'm never going to get unsorted. I can never see him again. I can never see him again. I'm just not leaving the house anymore. So she doesn't see him in nine months. And then you know the mothers say I love you to each other cuz they are both moms bless. You know, l, oh bless you to somebody. That was my my sneeze Bell wage is like what timing that does a sneeze Bell so she's now texting him right after the mothers like he's okay so far from working. Okay, he's alive leave him right she tripled text him and if you look up there's even another text that she deleted. Yeah, I mean listen, that's that's who I am. I don't stop texting if you're not responding like as my man. I get it also like he's going to come here. He needs the money. He's not going to never talk to you again. He doesn't think so though. She thinks like women are so hot for him. She does I think she's safe. I mean I'd say that the cat wants nothing to do with her. She's trying to feed this cat key lime yogurt. And apparently I've read a little bit about how dare he is actually not good for cats. I know I did not know that actually. Yeah, so she's trying to feed this cat lime this cat. I gotta tell you she's gotta have a lot of money because I bet you this cat died like seven years ago and she Pet Sematary this cat like Weekend at Bernie's right like she has this cat was buried Over Yonder and then came back in the middle of the night alive again and one because this cat's name is Winston Churchill in pets. Are you go? Yep, I think this was cages cat. Haha just saying. All right, so she calls Maria her psychic slash friend. Okay, that's not her friend with us. Yeah, that's a paid psychic friend and she turns out we find out that she buys him lots of watches dead. Interesting, but okay. Does she mean like a Swatch watch? Okay or like Rolex or like Rolexes? Right? Right. Cuz like when I was little I had like like a SWAT. I had like a an orange Swatch like orange peel on it. Yeah, and then I had I think one would a giraffe on it. See my mom used to collect them and I think about that all the time. Where is her Swatch collection? My woman again that when she died off I hope so she had like sixty of them. Okay. Well, you're going to make around $40 on that one. That would be like did she keep her Beanie Babies? You know. Well, I have my dad's beanie babies. So, I'm trying to haul there at my mom's house. We're we're both going to be read. I know we are we're going to have like $70. Between the both of us. Yeah, look at just like go get some TCBY barely barely. Yeah, we can get a small each. So, okay. She's talking to him. Yeah, and she's asking him specific questions and he's like, yeah, just like, you know coconut rice is my favorite. She's like, where did you go last night? And he's like, I love life in the afternoon and then he's like I never really liked psychics and Maria's like so Maria is like I'm a psychic and I think home using you and it's like those are two separate thoughts. Right? Cuz we think he's using her too. And I'm not no psychic. Am I you were just introducing yourself and then saying a fact right had nothing to do with anything else and she said there's something in his eyes and went home and I like that. She's like maybe she's picking up on my energy and not well known it was the thing in his eyes that she didn't like a dollar signs. Well, yes. Yeah. That's what she says. She has the Rolex signs in his office. He had Diamond bezels on his eyes. That's nice my mother dead. Mother-of-pearl irises who mother apparently like mother-of-pearl right? I'm just describing my favorite Rolex. Okay, so she said that she feels like maybe he has another girl right because there's there's a lot of trust issues between them. She's caught him texting with other girls Maria Maria. You're not a psychic off, right? You're just saying. Yeah, right. You're just saying your feelings. Okay, so she said that she found a lot of stuff in his phone and it was a a year-and-half ago and she threw him off and then well we have to give a little admission here. She she kept it in the family. She she played hide the tamale. Yeah with a Primo what cousin Harris? Just like throw myself. It's like I can control myself. I could be around someone's cousin and not bang them. You know what I mean get it together cuz you know what it is. She probably drinking a bottle of Pinot Grigio was like crying over him. You know what? I mean? She's like my neck is falling. I on too many as far as my neck is falling off. My my son is cheating on me. I have nothing to live for my cat's been dead for years. I need the yogurt I got for him. Oh my God, so funny. So Brandon and Julia zehme. Okay. So now they have to leave to go to the farm and he's like listen, don't worry about you know, how we just had to sleep in the separate rooms, right? I took care of it. So now they always sucks is such a liar he is so they're like, you're not getting a car right not because of your immigration status just because you're not allowed right? So we're going to get you a bicycle. So funny cuz she's like how long is the walk there like about an hour how heard it's a long long but also why don't you just say it's too long to walk home right now cuz they want her to try. They're like it's 4 and 1/2 hours, but just like each way, right but also like day of work, you know how long it would take on a bicycle of still take her a long time power walk? Yeah. Oh my God, this is so funny. So they pull up to the house and there's a welcome home Banner for her and I will tell you something. This girl is appreciative of things. She is home site. And if you just gave her a tiny little bit she would be pumped she's crying cuz there's a banner the thing is I think they're just I think what they're doing is right for the most part but I think that they're too bossy. They tell her what to do instead of talking to her about it. That's the problem. Yes. So she starts crying they introduced her to the horse very long. Horse, Hey, listen, she's a little nervous. She's giggling but she's doing everything. Yeah. All right. So now who's someone says she I think she said she say that she's 80% sure that they'll make it or did he say no, I think he said he said they're right. That's really good. Okay. So now his mom's going to show her how you get the chicken eggs, huh? Yeah and Julia says that the chickens are going to hate her for eating their babies. She's silly goose. I like her I would hang out with her. I think she's very cute. Me too. So she doesn't want to work on the farm. Yeah, I get it Oh, you mean that you didn't just they haven't even let her take a nap, but that's the thing. They've made it seem like okay, we've got you here. Now, you have to work out for us your inventions. Yeah Richard servant your farmhand, right? Like the poor girl hasn't even showered since the plane seriously. Hey, can I just I really have to poop song. Like nope, not on the schedule. Nope, you can poop in the pigpen. So now she meets the goats. She's just a little overwhelmed and his mom's like what do you think and she's like, I think how much is a way to go to Russia? I like this to talking to them in Russian the goats. Yeah, very so she's afraid of the Pig and his mom is forcing her right? Like maybe you could just be like, okay, you don't have to go around the pig. Oh, yeah. We'll see the pic later and then you can talk to him again and see if you like him maybe tomorrow. How about this? How about I'm going to show you that I feed the pig and then you'll see how not scary it is right. Nope. She's like no now you're at work now. Yeah, it's it's terrible. So now we meet a spin this family friend. Hm interesting. Okay Aspen has a bath towel with a baby. Sphynx cat inside Aspen is I think she's like an illegitimate kid or like she definitely used to like them. Hello, Brandon or something something going? Yeah, so she said that so this is what Julia said Julie is like listen, I'll give it a month on the farm right unless you see how it goes down there. Like let's show you inside of the house where you're never going to be allowed, right? Especially not in Brandon's room. So Brandon's room they put condoms in his room in a candy dish. Okay, but here's the thing. They put Magnums in there. Give me a break She's Got High Hopes And hahaha. But no, I I did see something that would have excited you in that room a Yankee Candle the Hershey Kisses underneath the condoms. Do you see what's in my hands her yesterday. I have a Hershey Kiss at my hands are here. I'm about to my belly button to warm it up. I hate Noel if you would have gone in Brandon's room. Okay, have you I don't even think you would have noticed the condoms. I would one of these would have been like, oh my gosh these things on top of the Hershey cuz he's out of here. So many things covering the prize what's happening Julia feels attacked. And yeah, this house is so cluttered. I feel like I can't breathe her room. So they just took everything that they heard in the house. Her room was a closet. It had to have been like a storage room and it still is they did stop that. So now he's why is the neighbor Aspen going on the entire house to are looking like she smells a fart? Yeah. I don't know. I'm telling you. She's like jelly or something. Either that or she like is not verbal or gas. So now they're like, okay here is in the kitchen the bucket of bugs that we have. We have crickets. Oky, and you're going to have to feed the dog. These crickets now the help that's the thing. They're like, you're going to have to do this. You're going to have you see the housekeeper but there's an iguana a cave in their kitchen. Like I see you got a cave guys, right? Okay. Can you imagine? Yeah, I want like the first day you come to my house. I am showing you like. Yeah, I do that to my housekeeper, right? Like imagine. I went to like Matt's parents house and they were like, okay, so we're going to teach you how to sand the floors today. Yeah, cuz that's every time you come here and off Noel when you come over for dinner you clean both the bathrooms, right and Matt, you take the front porch, but I almost feel like maybe that's like a good idea people at work wage. I've never gone to your house again, right? So she's like, I'm really uncomfortable and they're coming at her. Yeah, I gotta tell you what really made me laugh when they said Grace and they all hold hands. She looked like home. Shocked right like what? She's like what's happening here we've ever did taking it back cuz I think that she was afraid of what else was going to happen to her. I feel like what I don't like is almost like they get a kick out of some things. They're like, oh here are salad dressing. Do you know what this is? Okay. No, she didn't know what it was. She doesn't use it. Leave her alone Noel. Yeah. We're coming at her. Yeah with everything. I have been like hey, this is something that we put on our salad. It's yeah, oil and vinegar. Yeah before you put it on your salad when you put some in your plate tasted see if you like it. You might like it and if that's okay tell me what you'd like on your salad right? Maybe you should have a kidney should be on 90 Day Fiance. You're much better host real nice mom and soon they're going to be like, this is fat woman back. She feel right at home though. That's like the thing and that show it's cooked. This is hooked fatback and this is a frittata and that's all you're going to eat for the rest of your stay here on the earthers. Has Matata stepping on farms? You see that pig that you just pet put in your mouth now? Cuz that's your dinner Hill just saying why is the neighbor still there for dinner? I don't know. I'm telling you the name of the something up with her. Okay, so she's like Hey, listen, you know, I mean this like big scary house. I am afraid to sleep alone. They're like, yeah. Well, that's just too bad. Yeah. Well too bad also did we tell you the house haunted and they're like, yeah, you're not even safe. So and she's like, hey, can I just sleep in for one night and they like no means no right sounds like trying to put wine in his dad's glass. It's like okay, he's not that kind of dad know, he's definitely not. All right. Well speaking of not that kind of Dad. Let's talk about Rebecca and I'm sad, okay, so it's been five days since the interview and she's getting very impatient. So she's on a park bench refreshing the website without combing her hair just over and over and over. Yes on a very long Kept her face looks crooked. She is a here's the thing. I think she's very cute when she wants to be. Yeah, and she said she has not want to be she didn't want to be she just keeps saying. All right. I want to do a little bit of a play with you through it. All right. See the scene where they were saying goodbye cuz he got approved by the way, right? I know and she was like buy baby and he was like Buy Baby. Okay, let's just do it. Okay. Okay Zayed. Yeah so sad. Yes, baby baby baby, Dona na Corona, Just listen to me. Yes, baby, baby. Yes, baby, baby. You gotta prove baby, baby. Oh baby approve, baby. Baby, why aren't you excited? I'm so excited baby so much excited baby. I went to the video game store and I told everyone that we were like really an unmatched couple and nothing is really giving me any advice. Oh baby, we showed them in person. You could hook you could hook your credit card right up to this thing that I got you all very nice, baby. It's I got you a game. It's for little boys little boy. That's me, baby, baby. It's for babies the game. Oh baby baby. Do you need any money baby baby? I need money so much money baby. Do you want to buy me anything baby? No. Okay. Bye baby, baby. Bye baby, baby, baby. Bye baby. Bye baby. Bye Baby Baby buying. Bye baby. I hate them so much. Yeah. It's like stop with baby. Stop it Bap. And then she says hmm. We're going to be a normal couple what I think you need to rephrase that you're going to be a couple that lives in the same country together. You're going to be a couple that lives in the same country in your daughter's apartment Noel we go to Tunisia. Yeah, Dad he has on a red suit. Sorts, he is just like a blood he is in a gang that is primarily on the east and west coast right away. It's not great his Red Jacket doesn't even zip know he's out. He is very Pooh bear esque. It's it's a nice looking at Winnie the Pooh. Do you want him to just cuddle with I do? Yeah, he's probably great cuddler. Oh my God, Sayad. So he goes to a store to buy her bracelet with her money. Yes, of course cuz he saved a lot. Okay. Well, this is also a bracelet that is about ten to twelve dollars. Yes. That's an Amazon special. Yes. So he said that he has money for the first two months of being in America and that's it. And then he gets her. What is it? A turquoise bracelet? Yeah. So yeah, so he's packing with his dad and his dad is like listen. I'm so excited for you cuz maybe you'll get a job and he's like, hello. I like that. He's like, I have a career bowling and it's like okay you learn to HVAC but you never got a job. So hopefully you'll get a job there a way like Dad. I'm like practically an HVAC Tech and he's like, all right. Well, I hope that you do that. All right, thank you to his parents are so nice. They are but his his dad says this is a quote if you marry her and stay with her try to be easy with her, right because they also know that dad's and asked all of it right there like please cuz we can't afford to take you back. Oh, you don't have to come back. Yeah. I mean well so much hay to feed you. This is crazy. We needed extra bedrooms Jada Beach. So then he tells the biggest lie ever what does baby, mommy daddy Abba Her family loves and accepts me. Yeah, I know they don't at all get shanked when you get back in for his son-in-law is going to thank you. Yeah, he's going to be like we don't like these jobs going to be like Jesus coming in here or not, cuz I was not allowed in this house. We do. We're read this house red is for the blood. Speaking of the blood of Jesus. Let's talk about Yara and Jovi. Okay, at least she amuses me. I enjoy her. Yeah getting a bit of a wage and fisa vibe from yes, but I liked him fisa to know I like her. Okay, so he is reading. Yeah, he's reading a book. I'm sure he is. That's probably like a Bible from some nasty hotel room. He went to it's probably like a drink mixing book of ecology Mixology book and she wearing an off-the-shoulder crepe velvet gown. Yes, she is. I just checking so she I I love her Noel. She the things that she says, like I said, I love her back-handed comments to him. She says that she's like are we keeping these plates? He's like they're brand new. She's like, they're like prison plates. That's what I love who eats out of this. This is prison plates he's dead. And then he tells you they're expensive and she goes you don't have anything expensive. I love her. Yeah, she's great. So now she wants new furniture out. He's going to hit her. Okay, like listen, I guess where she's coming from but she's like oh D too though. She's like a lot. Okay, but it's like I gotta tell you she doesn't have expensive taste. No, no. No, she has a pretend boujee taste, right? She has Darcy mirror taste. Yeah exactly. She has like a bedazzled mirror a white glitter rug. I know that taste, it's Darcy. It's Darcy's hotel rooms. Yeah. Yes, that's exactly what it is. So they have to go get a mirror and a rug and he's being so mean in the store that the sales lady says to him. You need a snake or something, right? But then he's like he's so mean like if I was hired cry like in the middle of the store like I need to get out of here. That's what I need. Yeah. I need a beer. He says it fog Times that he huh, and then she tells him cuz I love her I love her. I love her. She's like yeah, he has like swamped taste. So and then he tells her to learn her English. Yeah, he's not nice at all. He makes me so anxious and the sales woman yells at him. She wants to sparkly shag rug and he said right so here and here's the thing when you when I'm telling the story. It sounds like she's a brat but like he was being very mean so she leaves and they don't get anything and he's like listen. This is my apartment off. Well, okay, so that's the problem. That's what he was being mean about you have this girl come here ten thousand miles from her house and say like I got this place for us. And now it's Europe now, it's your place. Well, obviously at your apartment cuz it looks terrible. Yeah, of course, so did you see her leather jacket when they were going from the for the parking garage? Yeah. She wore that to his mom's house to that jacket hilarious. This is rock star nine or something. So it's no I think it's badass. Oh it says badass. Yeah, so I don't know what she said to him, but she cursed at him and they Read it as they leave the parking garage and he's so he told her he told her that he got this apartment for her, right? He says his house right and then he says I need a drink I need a drink but it's almost like is this why he was being nasty in the store because he's not drinking. Yes. Yep. I really think so cuz he has to drive. Right. Well, that's true too. So she starts crying and he's like, I'm the one who had a move. But what did he live in before? I would have loved to see that. Yeah. I mean, I don't think he'll do his mom. I mean this guy has no money because he was at his friends house two episodes ago trying to get an Apple TV from them, but you would think he probably drinks all his money away cuz you would think he has money because he worked a lot at a job where like you're away lot of jobs you do that for a reason cuz yeah. Yeah, so she's crying. He doesn't like her at all. No, because when you listen you could be as many as you want. Like if someone you love this crying say you don't you're not comforting them like you don't like them. He's mean so he said that she could order whatever she wants online and she's like, okay fine now, she's like listen. Can you take this broken stool that you have exploded onto your take it to the garbage, right? Like why was it there to begin? I'm going to tell you why it was there he died. Fell on it when he was drunk, right, but why didn't he throw it out? Cuz he's drunk cuz he's gross. Yeah, and then he apologizes. Okay. Now let's move on to a Mira and Andrew Andrews from Roseville, California. She's from France. And now it's June 2020 and they're going to be going to Mexico to meet up for a 14-day quarantine. Right and she's very nervous. She got her key One Visa in March, but it's she is six weeks until it expires and he's like super nervous. He's getting like an see about it. Right? So now the airport is totally empty and this is in France and his mom is driving him to the airport and he looks like he really likes ECW. What is ECW like amateur wrestling? Oh he does. He definitely has his own belts. He wears while he watches it. Yes, that's for sure. So now he's in the airport. He does have a mask on heel and yeah, and we find out from a phone message that her father left him that a mirror was detained in Mexico. City and he doesn't know what's happening, right? So he calls the are bright and he's like, oh you don't speak English. All right. Well, I guess that's it, right? Okay. Bye. I'm going to go to the hotel. So he goes to the wrong it, right? Okay. Guess what? I am sure. There are people maybe even in the airport that are bilingual right that you could have helped you on this phone call also so she flew in to a different airport than him. Why don't you go to the airport that she flew into Yeah, I don't understand but it also that sounds like a terrible place to be detained. I'd be terrified. Yeah. No. Yeah, that would be terrified. I would be so scared. We're going to find out what happens next week. This is a big Cliffhanger. Yeah, I mean the podcast at 90-day podcast on Instagram and Twitter. You could follow me at Trixie to zeny on Instagram and Twitter. Oh also look out for our new logo. Check it out. 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Ep 179. Big Deer Energy : Autumn
"Hello and welcome to Teen Mom trash talk. This is episode 179 and I am your host comedian Tracey. Carnazzo joined by my co-host Noelle Winters Herzog. Hi. Hello. Hi, I got to tell you that intro. Yeah is just in my head. Oh yours yeah. You're just like on autopilot. Yeah, like I don't even know what I'm saying when I say it off it and it's funny cuz I always like I'll repeat after you in my head as you say. Yeah, cuz you know, it's like church, huh? Yeah, that's true. It is like peace be with you and also with you lift up your hearts, maybe lift him up to the Lord. Yeah. So true. Wow, I could still recite the power the glory are yours now and forever. It's funny like you go to mass and it's like I'm never going over how to do this and it's like I could do it in my sleep. I honestly wish that like we could remember anything like we remember song lyrics or church. If I could remember things away I Remember song lyrics like I could be like a genius like an absolute genius you too. That's exactly what I was thinking. So we're here to talk about not you thought well, we're here to talk about 16 and Pregnant season 5 episode 2 and Autumn is the guest here on this podcast today. Not really but that's who's 16 and Pregnant. We're going to be, I've never seen this episode. Okay. I have never seen this episode or I think anything else in this season besides the one that we did last time which was Maddie who shaved her widow's peak off. So crazy Maddie. I'm never going to get over that widowspeak, but that's what I'm saying. Like, I've a lot of these are like, I don't remember it. But I remember that I watched it. You'll remember like key words are like little things that happen, right? It's like, oh, that's right. Her mother beat her. Oh, that's right. Terrible, baby. Daddy, right so although yeah, I gotta tell you nothing. Yeah. I've never Seen nothing. I got nothing. It's so good though. So the first thing that I thought about when I watched this I thought about what year was this filmed was this like eighty-seven or eighty-eight? I think I filmed it on my startac. I definitely did. So this was 2014, which actually in hindsight was quite a while ago, but not long enough ago to be home of this poor quality to that. This is your 2014 2014. Yeah. That was the last season of 16 and Pregnant before this year when they brought it back. I feel like I mean there were iPhones at this point. Why are they filming right? I don't know. I really don't know. So let's get into it. Autumn is sixteen years old. She's from Richmond, Virginia. And now here's the other thing. I know Richmond Virginia. Yeah, you know, Richmond Virginia. Yeah. We were at a Whole Foods in Richmond Virginia. Best roast beef. I was so good. I mean like, Richmond, Virginia. Yep. I used to travel for music and even for comedy like that was rich Virginia's. Yeah, it's like a really happening spot had a little art scene not the same Richmond Virginia know that we're sisters Richmond West Virginia. I think this was West Richmond West Virginia because everyone is wearing the same exact camouflage hunting gear. Okay, but how many times can I see the same print in one episode but it's almost like it's a uniform. Yeah it is. This is everywhere. They use the same thing just on everything. So I'll use my jacket today as a pillowcase. No, I think what happened was they got like a really large bolt of fabric for cheap. Oh like Surplus and they would do you want to make everything for the entire town in this fabric? I mean, I like camouflage but I don't like that. That's the deer cam. Oh, yeah. I don't that's a fun thing, That's not like a dog. It's not like a combat comp. That's not like my sweatsuit camo. Like I wouldn't I wouldn't buy this for fashion purpose. Oh definitely not. This is definitely a different kind of camo. So we meet Dustin right and there they met over a year ago. And I know this is going to be a good episode right off the bat because they show them really quickly laying on the bed, they're hugging and they're not only are no sheets on the bed. There's no pillow cases on the pillows and I'm like, you know, what is with these girls? They don't like sheets. They just don't they don't take anything that covers anything in protective. Oh, you're really any protective covering is not what they've signed up for now. They don't like any protective covering at all. Well autumns sister Misty just had a baby. So that's good. So this runs in the family also, they have the same face heard miss the yeah, they do. Yeah. So now it's November and she's Thirty weeks pregnant and she's been home schooling and Dustin has been partying in the mud. What what? Okay. I don't know. What do you mean has been partying? I think she means doing drugs. I think so too. Yeah. How's the code? Well, I know that here in New York. That's the code work for doing drugs. Yeah code word, but they're like, yeah, he's been out partying and then you just see him driving in the mud. Cuz the thing is, okay when people say partying you think of like they're at a house party dancing. I think you are right. I think that he's doing drugs in the mud. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Is partying in the mud so he has no job and everyone everyone including Dustin including everyone in Dustin's family everyone in Autumn's family. Everyone in every store life is wearing the exact same hunting camo. So that's good. It's really weird. Dustin needs your favorite surgery. Oh a gummy otomy girl. I was looking at this and I'm like, how how does she survive looking at him every day? I don't know like so we look at girls often. Yeah on 16 and Pregnant and you're like, oh she's cute. And then all of a sudden on screen comes the baby daddy and you're like what happened you like right? That's is that that's human boy. Okay. No. No, totally that's human. Uh-huh. If you say so I am shocked when they give birth to human children. Okay, Dustin is he's pretty fucking bad though. That's not good. It's really not good. All right, so also something that I notice is Dustin has the tattoo of a wedding band on his on his hand. Oh, I did notice that. Yeah. So I mean, maybe maybe this guy was like really Hot to trot, you know, I mean, I noticed that he does like what Corey does to his baseball caps. Yes folks that does a little squeeze Ipoh. Yeah. I did not know the point of that but well, I think that you know, we don't know a lot of things but he also doesn't believe in pregnancy tests. Mhm. Yeah, no clear long. I don't know where Dustin is right now, but I bet you anything. There's a lot of things this year that Dustin doesn't believe in. I agree with you on that one. Let's just keep it at that. He said that he's just very scared that the baby's going to come and he said that he's going to change and this is how he's going to change. Okay, he's not going to get high life. He said not hide just buzzin. Okay, but does that mean like I'm only going to do a little bit like just a tip? Yeah, right. Like I'm not going to do all of the drugs. I'm going to do some of the drugs, right? Okay. Okay, that's called maturity. I mean, I guess it's not called sobriety though. That's that's called fatherhood. OK Google. So now they're going to have a boy and they're going to name them Drake. Don't hate the name. Oh, I don't hate the name. I was just surprised by the name same. Yeah, I didn't see them as Drake fans. Yeah home, but here we are and then something else happened where I knew it was going to be a good episode tell me they have two recliners in front of our house that are indoor rock. Oh I know and they are Outdoors. So what do they do in the rain to get cleaned? Very funny. Someone's never gone to the carwash. Oh, man. So her mom Liz is there and they're making brownies. I think God I think so. I don't know whatever it is. I would eat it sinus the the story of when she took her pregnancy test her her sister brought her to I'm what I'm assuming is Walmart. They just said the store right which is obviously well because there was a bathroom in there, right and she took it in the Walmart stall in the bathroom. Yeah. Nobody can wait till they get home page when you get home. I know it's like you weren't even going to take a test and now you can't wait till you get home. That's what I don't understand how far is Walmart, but her mom took her birth control, but she she didn't take it cuz she didn't want to get fat. I love that line. I feel like it's not what Chelsea said to so many people have said that and then you look at the and then you turn off. And they are nine months pregnant and you're like, oh, wait. What do you say again? Just so you didn't want to get what? Yeah. So his her mom is like is he going to like pay child support? What is he going to do? And she's like know if he's helping he won't need to pay child support. Now. I took that as she wouldn't need to pay child support like at all at all. Right, but I think what she meant was like no we're together. Like we're we're everything's going to be split like right. I think she means like, oh he's going to be contributing already right because the live together and we're going to have a family so it's not you would have to pay me separately. Right? Well, that's not true. But what I'm not going to spoil it for you guys. Okay. So p d Dustin's mom and we find out that someone to a yard sale and bought a crib for $1. Wow. I mean rarely he's nothing but the best for your son home. I will tell you this at first I was like that might be a good deal. Maybe they just want to get the crib out of there. Yeah. I was also impressed with the bargain The Bargain Hunt. I also would only spend $1 on a crib for my baby. But that's who I am as a person. It's funny cuz it's like it's in knocked up like Seth Rogen goes I think somebody left the crib Outback was a bunch of Purell on it. Yeah, I got it. Okay. Can I just say something? No l yeah. All right, eventually you want to have a kid, right, right. Okay, gross so long. Are you going to buy as Cal's? Mom says heirloom Quality Furniture for your child, but okay, but what is that mean? Well what I mean by I don't know what kills woman by that I don't even think Caleb's mom knew what she meant. She doesn't know what she meant. But what I mean by that is like can we buy a used crib or Facebook Marketplace? Why wouldn't I that's not seeing like yeah people spending $1,200. So the number one thing that you can buy used is a crib is baby things because God by horse your kids are only babies for so long. And even if you have a few kids, even the last ones only a baby for so long like I I have a friend who just had a kid and I told them like save me your baby clothes like save them all for I don't care for and also if you lose enough weight, you could just wear them. Yeah. I mean, that's fine. I could try. I don't know. I think the length might be off. Well, if the length is off, you didn't lose enough weight. That's what so the thing about his mom D is that she looks fairly normal ish to the naked eye. I was thinking to the untrained eye normal for 1992 but still north nonetheless. So this is what he's going to do for the baby. This is another one of his commitments. So so far we got not Hodges buzzin, right? And the other thing he's going to do is he's going to stop smoking in the house. That's great. And he won't do quote unquote that other crap around him, right? So that means you won't crush pills and sniff them. Yeah, I guess he won't do meth around the baby, but he didn't say he's going to stop doing math. He just want to mess around the baby and he's going to smoke outside when the babies inside. He won't leave his do napkins around the baby, but he's going to be changing a diaper with a dope napkin. But he said that he still wants to get high because he's already committed to it cuz he's been doing it for five years. That's a really interesting way to put it. I love that perspective on life. Right? He's like, I can't stop now. I've been doing this for five years. I felt like that about Echoes like all right. Wow, I just I just did the math and you've been doing drugs in a 12, which yeah. No, I mean listen awesome Flex. I need see what in what situation can we use this? This is a hard one. Right? Like I can't well, I mean I can't go on a diet cuz I'm so committed to cheese right? I've known him forever. Right? Like I don't understand how so you've been smoking pot for so long years back committed to it or what happens. It's like you can't turn your back on your best friend, but what happens if you do, I guess that you can't say that you've been doing it for five years then then they're going to say stuff like, you know, I've never heard this before but you know, like, you know five years on and off. I love when people say that always I know how long have you been together? Oh, you know on and off for three years and it's like well, that means like you've been dating for three months, right? So that's the on-and-off. Okay, so he cannot go on and off with the the okay now, he also said that he he changed he backpedals a little bit. He said that he wouldn't buy his own weed or drugs, but he would Take a hit at a friend's house if they had some cuz that doesn't count. Well, that's where they often Don comes in. I guess so isn't that like I don't know like now he's got a loopholes this and I'm almost mad at him cuz it's like oh, you're not even going to buy your own drugs. Well, does he look like the type that would buy his own job all of a sudden all of his friends are like, I'm not friends anymore. I don't want and then order was just sitting there crying and it's like yeah, that is the correct reaction. You should have been crying for thirty weeks already. That's the thing. It's like are you just now realizing you're just browsing now who he is? Well, I'm realizing it now because his hat says bump-and-run with the picture of a deer on it. Oh, oh, I thought I thought weird thinking about like bumps of drugs. Well, I think it's more like hit it and quit it. Oh yum. Oh my God. What what a guy what a guy and Iraq to be nothing like him. 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This isn't in someone's house because it's in a strip class, but then you go inside of the place and the exam table is a child's bed. It's almost like they're like listen. I know you're in regular Virginia and not West Virginia, but we want to make you feel like you're in a house in West, Virginia. And that's where my child's bed came in. Oh, you think this is one that we bought for the office? It's not it's my actual child's bed. I bring it here every morning when I come home hurt when I come to work. He said that he's going to quit smoking. This is like so as we go on he progresses right he so he's going to quit smoking now, so they're doing the sonogram and he says this is a quote. Look it's a nut sack wage. He wasn't wrong was he wasn't wrong. He knows what to recognize he knows what's important. Yeah. So now we find out something devastating what the crib is broken off? Okay, and they're trying to put it together in the garage and she's like that's what you get for getting a dollar crib. I mean, she's not wrong also, come on. So now they find one for $69 off and they take their Taurus station wagon, and she goes to Sportsman restaurant and plays darts. Yeah, and she hangs with her friend Destiny. May I have some friends Named Destiny? Yeah. I bet you do. I bet you do. She said that Dustin's not really big on responsibility. No way. Oh, I don't like him for that type favorite. Yeah, I get it. He's like no I can't do that, you know, not big on responsibility car Jade. I been loser for dead. For at least ten years now. I'm not just going to stop being a loser and break my streak. You know what they never say anything about him going to school. I wonder oh, yeah, I think later on they do. Yeah, it's like nevermind barely mentioned took her mom makes a list of places to call about jobs. I love the title of the chart. So the kitchen is so cluttered. I don't even know how he could focus on making a phone call on that kitchen. May I know the stove is chipping away. So he's like, what do I say? She literally tells him word for word what to say? Hi. This is Dustin may speak to a manager, please. He's like my name, right? So instead of saying all of that he goes are y'all hiring? It's been Channel Tim. Just then they have big deer energy. Yes, you did. Yes, you did so long so the girls like no, we're not hiring and he goes that bitch sounded Stones. It's cuz he wanted to be stoned. Yes. I am. There's an age where children. It's like twelve thirteen fourteen where they accuse everyone of being high cuz they think it's cool that they could recognize that. Oh, that is true. Yeah. I don't want these kids that at this age and he's also chewing while he calls the phone. Well, he's probably dipping he's different. 33 weeks pregnant yes, he gets hired at a local bike shop and she says quote unquote. He's staying clean. Okay. I mean, I want to know what he was doing. That's okay the way she said it. Yeah, like is this kind of big trouble? Cuz the thing is when we get to it, she like tests him and she's like not just like, okay. We'll talk TV smoking pot. Mhm, right? Okay. So her sister Missy she has this crazy idea which is so Bitchie. She said that he doesn't seem like he'll be a good dad or a stick around, what what a bit. I don't know where she got any of that from my own your own business Misty. Yeah, really bisti. So she what I'm really thinks. He quit smoking so long with that Dustin calls and is like, hey the cops are coming, but that's the thing. So it's like why now? Why did your mother call the cops on you? Well hers mother call log. Cops on him because there was read everywhere and she locked me out but his friends left it there and he was just throwing it out. I was just cleaning up after some company. It's like how many times if I use that excuse these condoms in my bag Tracy left them in my bag. I know I know the other day when you walked into my house and I was sweeping the cocaine right? I was cleaning up right? I know you it was just cuz you had friends though. Like I do cocaine some I was sweeping the remnants of his buffing my counter with a dope napkin. Whoa. Thank you so much. So the cops came and his mom changed her tune and you know what fuck his mom for backpedaling on this one too. I know but that's like a typical woman thing. It really is typical broad. Yeah, he's brought this man get away with that. That's a typical cabling. Yeah. Yes. That's not a broad thing. It's just walk. No. No, it's it's somebody who's if you're involved in someone with a substance abuse problem. This is a cycle. Yeah, of course, so the cops came in his mom's like Jake a bath and he said that his friends would love some weed at his house the night before so he threw it away and her mom now suggest that maybe they drug test him. That was a good suggestion though. I like I can tell you I like her mom, her mom's very nice. She's never liked mean to her. She's never really liked her and she barely e At based on facts. Yeah level-headed, you know, it is what it is. But you know, this is a big mystery about what's going to happen and I gotta tell you if you love Teen Mom trash talk and you're looking for another podcast, we're too funny friends breakdown episodes of their favorite show. Let us tell you about obsessed with disappeared each week on obsessed with disappeared off Patrick and Ellen tell a story of mysterious disappearance by recapping the episode of the ID Channel show disappeared that covered the case while you love that show. I loved disappeared love it. 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So speaking of yes, mysterious disappearances, they go out to lunch with her mom and she brings out the drug test on the table and she's like go to the bathroom right now is take it and he goes no and she goes go to the bathroom right now and take it and he goes, okay, he goes into the bathroom. He makes a p p okay, and then he like rap song. Howell cuz people, you know, and she wants it on the table for lunch. She's still she's like she's really health-conscious, you know good because like she had some apple juice with her sandwich you treat I just fainted. I want you to know also in the bathroom. They showed his pee in the toilet bowl. Like he did not flush the the toilet. Well, they probably were lives outside. If you ever taken a drug testing listen outside true. Yeah, that is tried. It has to be for Applebee's. Oh my God. I had to take a drug test for a job. It was so terrible. I was an office job. It was an office job and I was sent to a very undesirable location where they don't flush the toilet ever. So you have to pee pee on top of other people's P know and toilet paper and you can't use the sink in the bathroom because that you can't run any water. Count me out how to do it at home. And you know what? They said. What do you remember this? I failed the test. They told me that I brought in someone else's urine and I was remember this. Why would I bring it any ones? You're in Georgia, right? You're like discussed. That sounds worse than what I just did. I don't even think you've had even just like fuck drugs a sip of alcohol and nothing. I have nothing. You have no clue how clean I am. Yeah. Yeah. They made me they were listening by the door. They said that I failed the drug test because I brought in full siron and they know it because the temperature of the urine wasn't hot enough money. Which I'm surprised you run very high. I know and they were like it's it's impossible scientifically impossible that this is your P. Wow. I felt like saying like taste em, because it is mine. This is like this is so my P like I am scarred inside from making this p p in this cup. Yeah. I can't what a waste of a disgusting and click. Okay, you ever paint a copy p on your arms always can't wash your hands. They don't let you oh my God. Okay. So now gosh they tell me. Oh, I think they tell me that if I leave the premises they're going to call the job and tell them that I failed the drug test and I will not get hired. Oh my God other option is that I could sit there for 2 hours. I'm not allowed to drink anything and I could repeat the test in 2 hours, but I'm not allowed out of this case. There's a cage. But because what they don't mean there's a case there's a cage or like in like a like almost like a holding cell and you can't leave the cell because then it looks like you're trying to get someone else's urine or how do you pee if you can drink anything, that's not their problem because they think if you drink something you're trying to dilute the drugs in your system. So what did you do? So I started crying I knew that was crazy cuz I know you and I remember my brother said to me he's like, all right. Well stop crying because the water's coming out through your eyes. He's like you needed to come out through your pee. Not through your your eyes off like right. He has a good point. Yeah, and then I did and they were like now was that so hard Yeah, asshole, like was it that is crazy. Yeah, this isn't and that's the office job that I hated the most see that was a sign. Oh God. I hated them. I hate them. I still hate them that's terrible too. So not good. Anyway, I digress. Okay, so he does it and it's negative or everything and I love how she's so they test them for ya benzos marijuana. And methamphetamines. Oh, I'd opiates and opiates. Okay, and I love how she goes. All right. Well the marijuana is good. The opiates are good. The benzos are good. Method own is good. Okay. She kept saying methadone and I'm like girl. I think you have your drug screwed up. I know but I think that was just in her vocabulary. That's true. She can't say about the info. So she's like, oh you sure your mom. She'll be so proud to take all the be home and just like pour it on her as a surprise. Yeah, like look mom clean P. Oh my God. So now they're going to do a black mold. Okay, she's having contractions, but she sells a month ago. So they go to the doctor's appointment and place. It says to the doctor. The doctor says something and he goes wow, that's crazy dog. He's like he reminds me of so many guys. I went to high school with yeah, it's not good. Oh, no, I don't like them. So a few days later. She goes into labor and she was four centimeters when she got out of hospital and they broke her water and they gave her pitocin and then she got an epidural right and then she started pushing and I gotta tell you she did a fantastic job. I don't look at these parts ever. I look at everything. She was screaming like the Exorcist going I feel him. I just it wasn't even that she was in distress. Like it was just the voice that she used to say that I was like, oh she's possessed. I don't long on a great great job. How about Bush's I don't know cuz like they cut it obviously but and then I gotta tell you I almost have respect for Dustin at this point because he watches the placenta be born and he's like woah woah Tracy, I never saw one before until I lepas owed. Oh really? What do you think about it that it looked like a brain? My friend Denise told me it looked like a taco. It comes out like a taco something different. You will like that's not a taco know did he said it's out like a taco and then opens up and that's what I was expecting cuz it's just an empty sack. That's where the baby was inside of. Yeah. That was it didn't gross me out. It was more like I bet that felt so good to get that out. I think that that is the dog General consensus. Yeah, people say that's like holding in a fart for like nine months. Okay. Wait is the placenta the Sac or is the placenta like another thing that's in there. I think it's another thing. I don't know if it's the sack. I don't know cuz he was saying the baby was inside of it. Yeah, but it was that a good doctor. You know what I mean? Well, I mean they are in Virginia the placenta now, so the placenta what she gave birth she was the amniotic sac with the placenta in it. Oh, okay. That's what it is. Cuz the placenta attaches to the wall of your uterus. Well, that's what your baby's umbilical cord comes out of that. Horrified. I thought I would be No, I mean listen, it's really beautiful. I mean, it's it's not that it's not beautiful. It's more like I bet that was relieving right? That's what it was. Like he was happy for her. I did to get a good job. She did a really good job. So they go home and babies very cute. Very choppy Lane the chubby face. I liked it. So Dustin's talking baby talk to him and I'm like, all right. All right, and she took a little bit of pain getting into bed. She's not feeling the greatest. So the babies now one week old. She's so tired and Dustin doesn't help at all. So now it's two weeks and he doesn't even pay for everything. So he comes home one day and he gives her $2.50 in quarters. He's great. But then he gave her a dollar bill. That was nice. So now the baby is one month old and not the circumcision Bill comes for $280. So the mom is like yeah, you should ask Dustin to pay for that and she goes. Oh, no, he'll laugh at me. Okay, but like that's not an answer wrong. What I mean, right so they go out and eat and he's shoveling food in his mouth. Like he's going to the chair which he might be was terrible. He might have been who was horrible and she asked for diapers and wipes and he's like, oh no, thank you home, right and he was like, she's like you haven't done anything for the kid and he's like, that's a joke. It's like you haven't. Yeah, so she gave him a month or she's going to take him to court and put him on child support wage. He said no and then he burps loudly to and like blew it at her. Yeah. So now it's one month and he hasn't paid for anything. So it's Valentine's Day and she's going to file for child support and she's crying and she's it's very sad and she's telling her mom. She's like I can't make him do anything and she's like, oh the government can make him Yeah, they go. See a lawyer. He was I know him I'm going to tell you something. I don't know him personally, but I know him. Oh, I know him too. I know him and let me tell you where I know him from Thomas Mann sings Frank Sinatra at the lounge down the block from my house. Oh, okay late, right. That's what he does. He also said he has he's like a professional karaoke singer. Yep, he's one as I got right guys quarter to three. No one in the place up to you and me. I agree with us. Remember we had them in Applebee's to yes. That's who I know those people. So he said he was like, I didn't realize he child support laws are different in every way right? Huh, and he was like, he will go to jail, which is a good. Yeah. He's such an asshole about paying for this kid. He has to I know and I like the winter was like Dune Dog. Feel guilty. He's like a very nice. Yeah. He's like every single father in this country deserves to be paying for their child. He's absolutely right. He was right. I liked his attitude though is very comforting because he wasn't wishy-washy about it. No, and he and he was very gentle on her about it. Yeah, I liked it. So even the baby is dressed in hunting camo. So they must have made some baby clothes off of fabric and now she's washing the bottles and dirty sink water know it was good. It was very appealing and her sister came out of her bedroom. She had just drawn her eyebrows on Thursday. I gave them arouse. Yes, but I've had them they look like sperm her sister her sister smiling going told you so you know, why because the sisters baby daddy left her and she's she's like a lot. Yeah, but also it's like hello. All right. Oh, yeah. You just saw what happened, right Misty and Autumn Kolb. And whenever they do now so the next day she files for child support and then she goes to Dustin and tells him and he ignores her. He said that she's super annoying wage is like I bet you did. It's like shut up the stairs. Like I literally did I can show you the yeah, and she feels guilty she feels so bad even telling him about it. It's really sad. So she goes outside and then you should see in the closing scene. She applies for a job at a restaurant called Casey's and she's crying that he doesn't do anything. He doesn't help bottom very likable. Oh, she's so likable. She did not annoy me at all. Okay, so I found out there wasn't a ton of information on her, right if anyone wants to if anyone knows any information on her if anyone seen bottoms whereabouts and has information there's a reward Now you can go to teen mom Trash Talk podcast on Facebook go into our group. We can discuss this episode. That's where we discuss everything about the show and about the episode. Okay. So does Josh and we find out cheated on her, even when she was pregnant and he would just cheat on her and she'd on her and she'd on her terrible. I mean, where is he finding more than one willing participant in the mud in the mass of blood the meth mine. That's where he's finding all of these willing participants. Oh my god. Do you think that you get baptized in the meth month? And then you get your deer cam? Oh, yes they presented I presented to you. Yep. All right. Well, I found out that she got married in 2017 to her boys as well to her husband now Brad Paisley, I don't know if she's still married. That was as of 2017. I'm right. So if anyone has more information on her whereabouts please join us. Facebook group and make sure you follow us at Teen Mom trash talk on Instagram Teen Mom podcast on Twitter and you can follow me your host at Trixie to see me on Instagram and Twitter and you can follow them know we underscore bear 8:10 on Instagram and Noe girl on Twitter, and if you join the groups, or see any of our social media, we just posted are numerous sheet. We have stickers. We have buttons. We have popsockets and magnets. So get on down look good one Tracy get authentic. Thank you so much. That was my inner West Virginia. It came out just now. Sometimes it's long as I know. Well, I'm pushing it back in. Okay. Bye. Okay. Bye.
Ep 92. Cream of Cabbage
"It's crazy and Noel. They're gonna make you LOL On Any Day Fiance trash. Hello and welcome to 90 Day Fiance trash talk. This is episode 92. We are here to talk about the other Way season 2 episode 17, I'm Tracey carnazzo. Oh, yeah, Oh, I thought you were getting introduced me. I'm Noelle Winters Herzog. I just I just want you to do it. I just don't know sometimes you can do it to be more involved Noel. No, okay. I want you to have more airtime all cute. Okay. Well, I'm the well Andrea, Anastasia Winters Herzog. Oh, okay. That's a lot of me that we're here to talk about the office season 2 episode 17. I feel like some stuff happened. Yeah, this wasn't the last week was the worst. This wasn't so bad this it was easier to watch than it has been dead. For sure for sure guys. They want you to know before we start the actual podcast some housekeeping housekeeping show notes housekeeping down in the show know she can find a link to our live podcast Saturday, November 14th 7 p.m. Eastern Standard time. We're going to be covering Darcy and Stacey episode. Woods eight nine and ten and guess what's for purchase? Noel was for purchase Tracy? Our first live podcast on Zoom that we covered. Well not our first live podcast, but our first Zoom podcast for 90 Day Fiance that we covered our CCC episodes 1 through 7 it is for sale right now. You can venmo me at Tracey carnazzo. Mhm $13 with your email address and you will get access to our first Life podcast covering Darcy and Stacy episodes 1 through 7. So in case you didn't make it that day hm and you want to catch up you can watch it. That's all I bought tickets to Our Life podcast Saturday, November 14th at 7 p.m. Eastern Standard Time are available at Eventbrite and the link is in the show notes and in all of our social media show notes housekeeping jobs. You could get most of this information on our Facebook group 90 Day Fiance Trash Talk podcast that is where all of the things happen. That's the probably the best place to ask us questions as well. Oh, I love it in there. Everybody post the funniest memes on 90 Day Fiance in there. I know we get to really discuss the show in-depth we discussed the favorite parts of the podcast. We have a blast Noel blasted a glass. Yeah, let's talk about Jenny and Sumi. All right, there was a lot of Jenny and to me this they they like dominated the episode of it off. I'll really I thought Ariella and biniam dominated. I thought I think it was both of them. Like everybody else is kind of weren't but this is the most of Jenny insa me. We've seen in a while. Well, we see some be worth of footage and it opens up to monkeys testicles. I don't know what these I don't know what's with these edits very strange and then we open up to them talking about how they enjoyed each other last night. I already hate this episode and finally Jenny stayed awake. I think this is like her second night in India. I know I feel like She's been there for so many months now, but I think she just got there. I know and she says this is a quote. It was amazing baby gross gross. She'd grown dominated him. We find out. Okay. She also has an extra side like snaggletooth like it's I don't know. It's like up there. Yeah, very interested in Stan. That's that's a bonus tooth. That is that is a bonus tooth. It's very she got him a ring and I guess it's like her way of giving him an engagement ring. But did he even give her an engagement ring? I don't think so. I think it was something like a promise ring. But yeah, he hasn't given her anything. Come on, right? So he said that he thought there would be a ring ceremony. So she takes it back because he said that he should really be divorced before they could do that. Yeah, but this isn't a ceremony. It's just a gift. I don't know. She she's embarrassed. I feel bad for her. I mean in to be honest with you, that's how I would talk about the entire season. She's on she's embarrassed. I feel bad for her. Yeah, but the thing is like she goes I'm not naive I know like everyone thinks I'm naive and it's like no girl you are night. If you are that's what night clubs are. So many is in the kitchen, I guess. Listen, I'm using the word kitchen very Loosely. He's in a room with a hot plate. Yes, but a double hot plate, but there's No lower cabinets. No, I know. It's like it's it's a very makeshift kitchen. It's a room with a hot plate cuz the thing is this house. I know I know it's falling apart. It looks pretty big. You would think they would have a little kitchen. I don't know what's going on there. So now we talked about how she hasn't his ex-wife has not dropped the old criminal case yet right back and she made false allegations. She and she wants $500 a month alimony on top of the 20K that they agreed to to pay it and Jenny says in response. We can't afford to pay that meaning I can't afford it, right. They live off Jenny Social Security. Okay, but is this a case of like Angela and Michael like she he doesn't work because she doesn't want him to I don't think so. I mean listen he needs to work regardless because his family is the one that's carrying the burden of his $20,000. He doesn't care. I feel like he doesn't even care about that. He does not so his wife ended up filing a criminal case against the entire family. I mean listen, I I like that that's my speed. Like if I'm mad I'm big mad. I you know you a maket divorced. Are you going to sue your in-laws? Yes, I would like you raised a moron. Yes, brother. Yep, you you share your DNA with this guy you twins a moron? Oh my God. No way. Wow, so they're going to court for criminal charges plus the alimony. Oh, well, I actually confused a lot of these dead. Okay. Well, oh really? Okay, so that he has court the next day. So he's going to go to court with I did not write his friends name down, but I knew she couldn't pronounce it. Do you translate it starts with an R? That's okay. Yeah, so he was going to go to court the next day his friend comes and picks him up and he's talking about how anxious he is for court and he's very nervous to go and there are just on their way there and they show lots of Street cows on the way. They sure do a lot of Street cuz we're right this wrong. I don't know. Maybe you blacked out you might have just been I do that cuz I do I remember writing cows and it was cows monkeys. You might have written it down like Ariella and biniam. Oh my God, I might have okay, go ahead. So the charges were dropped. It turns out the charges against him a drop like the his ex-wife and the fog I withdrew right I don't know what what you would call it, but the charges were dropped so he's very happy. They're on their way home and it's like yay now, I could breathe again. He's so happy, you know now my page again, right? Okay, so I gotta tell you I really liked their throw pillows. What did they look like? I can't remember they have like colorful throw pillows made of like different fabrics. And I like Ginny one or two. She had like an oversized leopard sweater on I love her sweater off. Yeah, so cute but he owes $10,000 more. Yeah, he doesn't care though. Like I feel like he has no interest in paying it off. He's just like Jo pay it as she can with Jen evil Pagan. Yeah, I'll pay it as she can't my parents will pay for the rest of it and I'll just cruise on by so then he said then they could get divorced and them and they can have the ring ceremony and get married. But she says I hope this happens before my Visa expires. Yeah. She has something like a six-month Visa, but when she comes in she can come home and then come back. Okay. Oh she has to keep going back and forth Rihanna. Yeah. Okay, so that she faced like like she's his grandmother. I enjoyed you so much last night son home. No, I just fainted son. It was the last part of that that really did not make me well and I gotta tell you some things that you say really make me upset wage. And that is why I chose better help online counseling because sometimes I need to talk to my therapist no matter where I am. And this is a worldwide service. She took about is what happens. I have to talk about the disgusting things when Noel starts talking about incest. I need to get it it's you know trauma that's what it is and I'll call licensed professional counselor and some of them specialize in trauma sleeping relationships anxiety depression stress anger anything you share is confidential it's convenient. It's professional so many people have been using birth. Help that they're recruiting an additional count additional counselors in all 50 states. I want you to start living a happier life today as a listener. You'll get 10% off your first month by visiting betterhelp.com. Join over 1 million people taking charge of their mental health again. That's better help help fiance guys do it. I have to tell you. I really enjoy better help so does Tracy do it. I really do suck right. Well Ariella and Venom. I'm going to need a little bit of help with this because the half of my notes from Ariella and biniam I put under Jenny and sue me. Okay. I remember I used to do this a lot to offer last. The last season would called. I always wrote it under someone else. I don't know what it is. So now two days after she has the baby. She's breastfeeding in the hospital and the Midwife discharges our home and they start talking about how there's like really no training for a parent. Well, I mean, that's true. I think about that too. Like when I have a baby I'm supposed to just know how do you know and then not only is there no training to be a parent. There's really no car seat for the baby. Okay, but how did nobody think about this? Because in Ethiopia, they don't really use car seats and it's not the law. So she wants to walk the baby home. She said it's like a five minute. Walk. What do you think about that? What do they walked? Maybe she was do you think that she was overreacting or no? Absolutely not. Why would you put the baby in Risk? So now here's the thing right the baby gets in the car. He's using the baby. They get rear-ended bad. Yeah you lose. I mean he flies through the window at the baby the baby's dead. Yeah. I don't think that she was overreacting. I think there are parts that she's an asshole but I don't think she was wrong here. Right? So he said no no, no my friend will drive us home. And he doesn't care. He just wants to drive. He said it's more dangerous for him to actually walk walk home with the baby cuz he could trip and fall and it's very hot out. Okay. I mean just look, you know, just make sure be aware of your surroundings be aware of the cracks in the sidewalk. Okay? Well they get home. And there's people outside with torches. Okay. It looks like they're rioting outside of their house. It looks like either the riding or they're doing sparklers. Yeah, it's I can't I can't decide if they're mad at them or they're excited to see them, you know, just trying to give her a sheep, which I'm like, oh, yeah shipments awesome and then they're like a now we're gonna murder it. Okay, but why didn't he tell her this? Okay, but I would have been like, okay you murder it. I'm going to go inside. Yeah, I'm not going to watch this. I don't want to watch this. I would not have been a happy person off. I don't here's the thing. I always feel bad for him. But then stuff like this happens. It's like I don't feel bad for you. You should have told her absolutely also, like maybe be like, you know, my wife actually would get very upset by that. So my wife is in from Ethiopia, right? There's blood everywhere. I would have fainted. I think I have to tell you I think that I would have nothing makes me sick. I feel like I would have felt really sick after something like that. I'll watch that. Yeah, you just off major surgery. You're coming home the hospital. Now, you have to watch a Slaughter so she's trying and I would too but do you think she's crying over the wrong order or how she Drew her eyebrows on in the confessional she's crying about how she Drew her eyebrows on she's crying about just what she looks like. She's crying about how much her life sucks. She's crying about a life. Yes. Well, he's as I love you and she goes okay babe. She is not interested know. Well, his family is making a potion or a paste. Yeah, I don't there's so much of this that I don't understand. I feel like there's so many rituals here that I just don't understand. Yeah, so she goes to bed. She's like, I just had a major surgery. I'm going to go to bed and then there's School. You mean women coming into her room, but so many of them it's not like it's a grandma coming to visit. It's like a great time that of women but they're chanting and huh. Yep. Yes. It's his aunts and they all want to hold the baby. Yeah, otherwise, it's going to get sick to his stomach. He's going to get a bellyache. Okay, interesting. And now they feel like they should ask about baptism. Of course, June 1st. They passed the baby bed around. Oh, yeah, that's true. That's right. They hold the which I'm much better off with that. I like that much better. I like that a lot. So they're yeah, they're like, hey, how'd you remember when you just had a very very major surgery and then slaughtered the lamb right without a sheep, right? Remember the blood and the screaming and like how you watch the animal died? Yes, and then you remember that went to go lay down and then we just started screaming and then we we came to visit least we made paste. Anyway, let's talk about religion. Okay. Yeah, if we should talk about religion right now and we should talk about how you need to baptize just child right now this second. It's like, oh my God, give her a second. Let her heal so she's like well, I mean you can't really baptize the baby cuz song To the priest and he said because I'm not worth the docks. We can't baptize the baby in the answer like, you know, that's wrong. I know but that's the thing. It's like don't worry. We'll take care of it. It's like what? Yeah, I don't that sounds a little like more like a threat. Yeah, it sounds like a little shady. It's very like Sopranos. Like we'll take care of the priest's daughter and her she says well, you know the baby came as such a surprise. Okay, I got that it was like a few weeks early. Yeah, but you were pregnant a very long time. Here's the thing when you are 9 months pregnant the baby can come or 8 and 1/2 months a baby can come literally at any time just anytime just be prepared just be prepared. So like she says things she says things like I wasn't prepared to be a mom yet and it's like girl. What do you mean? Right? Like, did you have the extra two weeks? And then you were then you would be a good mom right off. Right? Well, his aunt's said you could hide from people but you can't hide from God. That sounds like a you quote that does sound like a me quote that sounds like that like not through the very threatening its aggressive really threatening really is. Yeah. They said they'll they're going to get it done and she's like, you know, I just want to think about it home. So opinion says it's super important to him right really super important, right? So now hmm She talks about is this where she talks about her boobs? Yes the cab. Okay, good. All right, so let me turn the page. Yes, so she said that someone told you to put cabbage on her boobs because her nipples are very very sore and bleeding from breastfeeding which is a thing that definitely happens. Okay, but here's the thing. I don't remember what the hell I was watching. This woman had cabbage in her bra because she was real thing. Okay. I did not know that I thought that was just like a silly thing. I didn't know that that was like real and I went. Oh, it was Kim Kardashian and she had no did her bra. This is a real thing. So it says this is not anything, you know unique to Ethiopia. Okay cabbage leaves are a reliable way to Friday the relief you need using cabbage leaves reduce the pain and hardness of engorged breasts and made it easier for people to continue breastfeeding for longer you leave the Cabbage leaves on your breast for approximately twenty minutes log. Become warm then removed from your breasts throw away the wilted leaves and use the fresh ones next time repeat this process until you begin to get some relief. You continue this process until you finish the head of cabbage until you have an entire sauteed cabbage meal for your husband to eat young. I love cabbage juice biniam cabbage for dinner again milk. Watch. It's milk. It's a cabbage at a cream sauce. It's cream of cabbage. Oh my God, I just made myself not feel well. Yeah, today is going so great. Oh my God. I really need to make an appointment for my therapist the cream of cabbage soup. Okay. Well, she said it's a super weird. It's a super weird remedy because they also told her that she could put olive oil on the baby's skin. Is that super weird? I mean, I don't know any time. I got an earache my dad always put olive oil in my years to yeah, I mean olive oil is in a lot of lotion. Yeah, it's versatile. I would put olive oil on my skin like I wouldn't feel weird about it. Yeah. No, it's a regular thing. I am so days later the baby has no name. And he said that he looks like her dad doctor Weinberg. Okay, but I think what they're saying is the baby looks like an old man. Seriously. It's like also do you know how many people I know at that last name? Very common very common. Now he talks about how he has it. Been him hasn't seen his three-year-old child and two years. It's so sad. So they're going to name the baby Avi L biniam, but it's like of course you got her way. He did not the name. He didn't like didn't like the name at all. But here's the thing. He said that he's not worried about the christening. Now. Remember I said, I can't tell why what like how she speaks like there's something wrong with it though. Yes. Yes. I think she doesn't close her mouth off a lot when she speaks. Really? Yeah. She laid it like it's also a little crooked. Yeah, but it's it's I don't know what it's something like with the closing of her mouth. So she said okay basically to the christening. I don't like that. She says to her it's silly cuz it's like what if he was like well to me, like rabbis are silly girl. I gotta tell you I think that that's kind of what I was saying in the last episode. Like if it doesn't matter to you then just do it right. I know I get that but I feel like she was still being like, let me still get this. Dig it and tell you how silly I think it is, but you could still do it. It's like stop being an asshole. She's just an asshole. I would have said that to his oh she's crying and I don't know if that's because she's overwhelmed with emotion or about his jeans. Okay. I didn't notice his jeans. I actually thought maybe they were having like a nice moment. Tell me where they Fendi jeans where it's a long day. Do you remember when last episode when his jeans were like orange and they had like distressing patches on them? Yes. These are like black jeans with the same distressing packet loss. So I think he got like a three-pack of jeans. Listen, he is above the times he's he's he's definitely came follow Market these came from the market. He's no fashion home like June. I love. Jehon. Well, they do have a moment she cries and she said that she loves him and he said that he changed his life and thanks her for the baby. Yeah, that was really cute. He was very emotional. Very emotional. Okay. So now let me go back to my actual notes, right they're going for he's the baby's a week old and they're going for his first check up his vaccines and his circumcision perfect. Now they live at the Guesthouse. They live at the hotel her mom say that uh, huh. Yes. Yup. Just checking. So the baby is now in a car seat. They're going for the one we check up. They're going to go get his vaccines and his circumcision and she wants to give him a choice on the circumcision. Okay, I I can just tell you down for as a woman. It's like please get him circumcised. Please get him circumcised. Listen people have opinions about it and I get it but in her faith, yeah. Everyone gets circumcised, right? But that's what I don't understand. So it's like okay. What if he is say 17, and he's like Mom, why didn't you get me circumcised? I really want to get circumcised. It's like a lot more complicated as an adult at a lot super painful. Well, she said that he might need that extra skin. For what? I don't know maybe to you know for like extra material in case like what if he buys curtains that are too short. Oh, so he had some meat curtain off. He has some meat to add to the curtains, right and someone's like if we only had a little bit of foreskin off it'll work out but if he's on a plane and someone stands up and goes does anyone have any any extra foreskin waiting for a landing equipment? We need something to push in the landing. We need your foreskin and then everyone on the plane is circumcised except for Bingham. I mean what are other things that you would might need for skin for? Yeah, I mean, okay, I could use for skin to dust the floors. If I left my broke my broom off, right? What if his piece alone is cold and he needs to cover it. What if he doesn't have a condom he just has to actually skip the folded up what if he wants to make a ponytail? You know what honestly as we talk this out. I'm seeing her side more and more. Okay, I guess listen, maybe I should hold off on a child. You should you definitely should so now yeah, he said that her milk isn't good because she only drinks water and here's the part where I'm like biniam go walk next to the car worth. Here's the thing. He unfortunately, it's just he was raised differently than us. It's all these superstitions. He doesn't know better. He just doesn't know but like I say, so now the baby's hungry in the car and she's like, I just breastfeed fed him but here's the thing like I do know a lot about breastfeeding. Unfortunately you do you to you're not not a doctor. I'm not not a lactation nurse and when babies breast-feed they eat often they eat very often cuz breast milk is very digestible and digest and they get hungry more often and then he says she thought A long way to go to being a good mom. Yeah. Okay. Once he said that I'm like, oh, okay. So you are an asshole. All right. I can't wait until she sees that footage. Mhm and she goes to bed with his ex-wife and nuke child in America see but like then at first you feel bad for him, but then it's like oh, okay. Maybe I understand now a little bit more about why I think there's these problems with him. Yeah. Exactly. All right. Yeah, let's talk about oh so the vaccine so she gets a shot right his polio oral. I remember that I got that. I was like a grade school. I remember that taste. It was like a we really ashback. Yep. I had Polio you put it under your tongue. Yep. Well, that's cuz you had Polio when you were a little remember. Oh, yeah, no choice. I had scarlet fever and polio. Have you guys listen to Teen Mom trash talk? Noelle claims that she had Polio when she was little okay. I did not claim my Polio. I claimed I had the measles wage. Okay. Well that's good. So he gets his shots he cries and the thing that bothered me most about this thing. This scene is that her white denim jacket. The color was folded all the way down like she was in Saturday Night Fever. I have to tell you I did not notice that but she was wearing green metallic sneakers. Listen print leggings. She got her fashion sense from biniam. He's everything he's guessing her from the market. Yeah. He's resting her now. All right, so now he has to get ready for his circumcision. And then she tells the nurse don't touch him. She's super nasty to everyone. Hm. Yeah, that's him not to touch him. She's mean that's the problem. Yep. She dresses the baby and she runs away with the beige Okay and like I get it cuz she feels like this is my baby. Like I don't have to do what I don't want to do like I totally understand that but like you don't have to be mean to everyone about it. She was young. I think that she was having a really hard time. I think that she's having a hard time in general. I think so, too. All right. Well now let's talk about Kenny and Armando so they're going home. Would Hannah finally this is still like the night of the compound. I don't understand the time of this show at all. It's like the next day or something. So how she's super happy and they want to teach Hannah English. She and so cute. She's super cute. I thought I could skate by with zero Spanish, you know, you could skate by with no Spanish like not even hola you don't you could skate by but that's what I mean. How are okay. How will you raise a child? If you guys don't speak the same language? No clue, but just wondering she has her own room for the first time. So they moved into a furnished house. I'm sure they didn't buy of this furniture know I was thinking the same thing, right? So then Armando reach her a book about a girl with two daddies. So now this is where she gets all of these quotes from though. I know because a lot of it seems like it was fed her. It's probably from her. Yeah, but like, oh, yeah Daddy's double them so cute. So now they're driving to the market and she's asking with unicorns have horns, but she has on pink bows and a pink Blazer like I love her. Well Armando's dressing her so it's clear off there. And so they're talking about unicorn horns and candies like, you know, you guys could be talking bad about me and I wouldn't even know it. It's like they're talking about unicorn horns County. That's what I mean. Like Kenny get a grip. I don't think that Hannah is talking shit about you right now. He's like an old right? Come on Armando's venting to Hannah about the complexity relationship. He has with Kenny about her other dad right off. Right, so they go to the market. Noel baby in a box, okay, but what they didn't get they I wanted more details about the baby in them. Okay same but also Kenny was like I'm Rhonda look there's a baby in the box and he's like, oh, huh and it's like no no Kenny. You were actually right. That was the first reaction. Yeah. It was correct. Yes. Yes. All right. So he buys her hair boat that is a dollar and $0.34 and Kenny's like oh she wants everything. Okay, but that's the thing and it's like Kenny. What did you buy your children anything? Cuz you could go right? I don't have kids. Did you ever take them outside know you never took him to a market? I guess. All right. Well, they get Carnitas for lunch. And I you know, I want more information. Okay, me too. Cuz then he's like well, it's basically just pork rinds. I don't like pork rinds like you don't like. Oh that was that was on the table. That was like their app. Like they're they're like bred for them. Oh, but also he doesn't like anything. He does not like he does not speak the language. He doesn't like any of the food like this is the country, you know? Yeah, they should have brought him a bologna sandwich wrong. I mean, I'm not opposed to a bologna sandwich terrible. Well, we find out Kenny doesn't work. So Armando wants him to take a Spanish class. If Kenny doesn't work, right, did we have to live four hours from Armando's compound? Right? I don't understand the bank, right? What's the all he wants to do is go to the bank. That's what that was the whole point of this move. So he he's one of them because he has no job. Yeah who knew I thought he was going to be like working on a computer a working from home or something. But even then why aren't you on the compound? This is silly. Yeah, I agree. So Hannah says to Armando. Would you like to buy me a purse or shaved ice now? I gotta tell you I liked the technique. It's you it's you. I'm watching this and I'm like, okay, it's Tracy. Yeah, because I like how she didn't say. Can I have a purse? Cuz that's a yes or no question wage. They can I have shaved ice which one of these are you buying me, right? You're buying me something. Would you like to spend a lot of money or just a little money and then we get ice cream sauce like that. That's a good technique. I should start using that on that. That's a very good technique when I took marketing classes. They always said like don't when you're trying to sell something you never ask a yes or no question because then it could shut down the sale interesting. Okay, and I must have taken the same marketing classes. Probably she's before her time. She really is so Kenny's annoyed that he's a dog. Over. Oh, he's like why am I a pushover? Because we took her out to the market and I'm going to buy her an ice cream cone. I like that. He's like she deserves it's hot. It's such a good dad. That's really nice. Okay, but also like it's not that serious. Yeah. I don't know why Ken he's doing this and I don't know if it's because he just wants just to be a part of the parenting with her. I don't know Kenny's like all of my kids were on a low-carb keto diet, right? None of my kids were allowed Dairy. Come on. Well, he said that he always has her best interest in mind and then Armando polls the mom card and I loved it. What did he say? Oh, like her mom is dead. She can basically basically he's saying like he's overcompensating by fouling her because her mom's dead, right but also like her mom said she could have ice cream. That is true. I do. Yeah, you know what though? That's so good because like anytime he gives it so he could watch her mom's dead. Yep. What are you going to do? But she can't learn it cuz then she'll be like, well, my mom said I need a purse. She'll learn. Yeah. I know. It's learn soon enough. Let's talk about Virginia's on so she goes back to Florida. Remember she flight to Chicago sheet flied. She flies supplied. She applied to Chicago and now she goes back to Florida and she said that if she's going to go back to Jordan he has to get them in apartment and send her a plane ticket. Meanwhile back at the ranch last episode. He's like, I don't have enough money to eat food truck. But that's what I mean. I'm very confused by this. Did he not tell her how destitute he is? No, I think that that's the I think that's our angle cuz she knows that he's broke right exactly. Like she's trying to say something that is impossible. It's like, well, those are my conditions. Sorry buddy. Yeah. Okay that like know I'll I'll keep being friends with you if you're six foot one month. Okay, that makes way more senior like but I can't be taller and I'm like, sorry. I just liked all friends. Then I guess we can't be friends. Right? Right. So her divorce hearing is next week. That was quick. She does this girl must love flying. Okay. Does this fly Noel not have her paperwork was in a week ago. She puts her paperwork in and she gets a hearing in one week. Yeah. Well, you know, well, he said that he's driving a taxi and he's working in a barbershop. I hope he's not a barber now like I hope he did. Just start barbering with no training. I think he did in my mind. He did like I think he's already giving like Fades, you know what that reminds me of when I was looking for a job years ago. I remember I was just like looking on Craigslist and I'd be like, well, you know, I kind of have to like cast my net wide. Okay, cuz I'm open to a lot of different positions right like I'm open to iron working. Right? Right, and I remember I used to apply to like dr. Positions like it would be like dentist needed in small Queens office home and I'd be like, all right. I'm going to apply how could they prove that? I'm not a dentist. Okay, but also like if they hire me who's the jerk who stupid wage? I applied to a job lol all the time. I'm not lying on my resume and saying I'm a dentist I'm sending you my resume. Yeah years of media experience. So if you think that I'm fit to be a dentist, that's your own problem. That's a you problem. It's a huge problem. That's not my problem. So yeah, you don't want to like all of those those jobs all the time so long now, he's a barber he's also advisor good for him doing just like, you know afternoon surgeries. Mhm. Yep nighttime haircuts and morning taxi rides. I mean, it sounds like a busy day. Yeah, he he can drive you to the barbershop and then do a small surgery on you if you stay with all day long, he could cut my hair and then get me a hair transplants to oh, all right. Service. Yeah. Yep. Absolutely. So he said that he really changed for her and she's like, yeah, I'm so proud of him. She's is this one she calls him a sad Turtle. No, not yet. So he sent her some money right for the plane and he's working fourteen hours a day and he said that he's not a millionaire and hung up. I get it. She's frustrated. She paid for all the flights all the apartments off when she was going back and forth there and she said, you know, I'm not asking for jets and Yachts and shopping sprees, but that is what I am used to write. Well, she said that she's used to being a sugar baby. Well guess what Britney is a yacht girl. Oh, she's a yada she is but I don't think she's a high-class Shadow. I think she's more like a tugboat. ER. Well, yeah. I mean look at her house. She's definitely a tugboat. She's a life after she's just she just hangs out at the Docks. She weighs the flounder when you get off the fishing boat. She gots the fish. He said that he lost his whole family and she said he acts like a victim and that's when she said, oh, he's like the saddest little turtle. Yeah, that's like that was really mean. I don't know. I just felt like she was being an asshole then. Well, he said that he cares only about and wants to make her smile, but guess what? Yeah, she always smiles. But all she does is smile. She smiles to my ears she smiles through at all. If you would have executed a goat in front of her she would have smiled. Yeah. She's definitely a Smiler it's strange. So she's on a park bench FaceTiming with him and had called and he's like, yeah cuz you suck Ur boobs out. She always has her arms out though. Yeah, so he's like, all right. Well that was that you have to change and he hangs up I think like, you know song. Torn she's like, I don't know what he means like I always say what do you mean right? Like does he mean that I'm supposed to like convert because he never spoke to me about that before, right? She's like, right. You know what I am going to change. I'm going to go to the beach and I'm going to wear my bikini top upside down. Okay, what was that about help help? I don't know help apparently all the all the kids are doing it. That's what I hear really? Well she's divorced already. She's divorced help. I don't understand this. I saw this and I'm like her boobs look like they're in a bad way in this. I don't understand. Yeah now she has reservations about his culture. Oh now she does Okay cool. So you didn't before now you do. And she doesn't want to convert or change. Okay, but then you guys can't be together. That's well, and she said that he always made her pay for everything and he was misleading and she's a give him an ultimatum that she's not going to get married to him and she's not going to convert and he better not care what his family says. Good luck with that. I liked that. She goes He portrayed himself to be a feminist. It's like what is that? I don't exactly I I don't I don't think so at all. I mean a a Barbara cab driver and a doctor. He's not also a feminine he doesn't have time. He just doesn't have the time to be a feminist. You mean a conservative Muslim from Jordan isn't about the nest now. I don't surprisingly know you would think you would think most of them are Britney got confused. She got so confused. She put her bikini on backwards you had they only. You had to see how she was wearing the bottoms. Crazy when she came out with that. I'm like, okay. Is this really a thing or is this like a her problem? I don't know. I think it's a thing we're saying it's a thing but you know how long you're going to hear more about upside-down bikinis and breast implants on our live podcast November 14th 7 p.m. Eastern Standard Time going to the show notes. Click on the link page then bright buy tickets be there or be square. Can I stop you for one second? Yeah, we didn't go do Junie and Devon Walsh. So yeah, so Crema cabbaged yum, yum soup. Okay, Devon and June. I really like when she calls him Junie and I think I'm going to call him Jimmy from now on me too. I think that that's the cutest little name for him. Yep. All right. Well, his parents are watching the kids and a dog. She they're going to go on a date to walk to the phone store. He works in and yeah phone and then leave. Yeah. See here's the thing. It's like she's like once a month. I know that he's doing you know that he's not doing crooked sales anymore and it's like so you think by going with him once that's just how you'll learn right? Cuz that's they're going to tell her they're going to be like hello June's wife. He's doing illegal stuff right just so you know, right so now he's still selling use phones. And if you remember he used to sell used phones and home sold so and phones and then he got fined and got convicted of a crime. Basically. That's what got him into this mess to begin with. Right, right. So they go to the store that he's quote unquote working at life. They say that it's really not common for a wife to go to work with her husband. I don't think, in here either. I don't I wouldn't go bartend and then bring Matt behind the bar. When you're not working when I'm not working too, right? Yeah, I don't understand that very weird Okay, so he really doesn't work in the store. He says like yeah, I'm changing. He's a traveling salesman the travel business trips a lot going door-to-door. Do you have a broken phone right very weird. She tells the owner she's like, do you know that you hired a criminal he used to sell stolen cell phones, but what's wrong with her? What's honestly wrong with her? Well, she has a hundred questions and she said that it really sounds complicated and she tells him that he should not be selling the broken bones. He should be repairing them and selling them cutting out the middleman in and he's like, yeah, I don't have the technical skill to do that and she goes no no. No, you just buy a machine on eBay it fixes all the phones. Okay. So when she said that I'm like, is there a magical machine that just fixes a phone? Yes see us Android users. We're it's so Antiquated. We just don't know these things. Yeah. Apparently you just crank it out. It's like it's like a oven. It's a month. Seven Okay, cool. So she was up with the baby all night long and I guess the baby maybe gave her her extensions dead. Cuz there's no other excuse for how they look there is no excuse. There's no excuse for how she looks it's not good. So she wants a big wedding and so his parents booked a hall and Thursday. It's going to be a fairy tale. She said there's going to be lots of drinking lots of dancing. Okay, that's what everyone thinks is going to happen. I love seeing what happens here. So his dad basically his his twin by the way, but he's so nice so they go to the famous wedding hall and this is like a chop shop for weddings. Okay, but that's the thing. It's like, okay. So this is like a factory. It's just a wedding just weddings pumping things out Yep. This is literally that is so perfect a wedding Factory. Yeah. That's what this is Jose. There's lockers they get one hour each You go into a room with a giant Runway that goes to a stage and she's like I don't like this is very over-the-top, but they find out she gets the VIP package. She can rent her dress. She's like I don't want to do that. They're like, no that's fine. Then we just won't do that option. Right and then it's like the wedding is at 11 a.m. It's like why it's 11 to noon. So it's like but how much did this cost? I would love to know for it's it's $25 an hour and they have five to six weddings a day. Yeah took out they change them over next. Yep. So she finds out Koreans don't dance and gather, but she wants that and she wants a daddy-daughter dance song and she wants obviously June to dance with Drusilla, but that's right. Okay, so when she said that I'm like am I hearing her correctly? She wants Jahan and Drusilla to dance together a y l a I don't know. That is a good question. Okay said and this is the best line of the whole episode. I can't believe I skip them altogether what tell me. She said this is like a surprise party. You don't want yeah, she's not happy about this at all. But also like you already had a wedding like why are we doing this again? Right, it's not even when you want. So why do we have to do this at? All? Right. I don't understand. It's so weird to me. I don't get it. What did she have wanted like an American Wedding in America? So her family could be there cuz right in a Korean wedding South Korea, right? So why can't they all go to America and have a wedding? They're weird Runway wedding. Mhm. Okay go out. What's happening on November 14th. Okay. We're having a live show on Zoom. Yeah, and then what happens we are going to cover Darcy and Stacy the episodes. We haven't covered yet. So that's eight nine. And ten, right? That's correct. And you get the the the link in the show notes. Okay. Well show notes obviously. It's going to be a very good time. I just want to put this out there. So you guys know. Oh God, you tell me off. Okay, we can see each other, but we can't see you and you guys can't see each other. Right? Right, but you could only see us so it's going to be a webinar set up. You can see me and Noel and that's it. You could just see us. You can't see each other and we can't see you. So wear pants. Don't wear pants wear a shirt. Don't wear a shirt right like you don't have to worry about being anxious because don't worry. You guys can't see each other. It's fine. Can't see each other we can talk to each other. Nope. Okay, follow us at 90-day podcast on Instagram and Twitter and you can follow me at Trixie choosing me on Instagram and Twitter and don't forget we have magnets for sale. We have holographic stickers for sale. We have the first live podcast for sale. So, you know do all these things right Noel where can people find you you could find me a truck. We grow on Twitter and no we underscore bear 8:10 on Instagram. All right. I'll see you next week. 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Their willingness to give something that was such a horrible tragedy is just unbelievable. What you see change your perception of any sporting event. Get this. Outside the lines on Fagin sitting in for Bob Lee, the NBA in it's infinite storylines is today's big story from studios e the freshest news comes mostly from the court where Steph curry made almost the season's worth of threes and just three quarters. He finished with fifty one points eleven for sixteen from beyond the arc and moved up to fifth on the NBA's all time three pointers list. Oh and the Lakers finally won their first game back. He was LeBron James after the victory. Great to win period. But as feels good for us to know what we've been doing over to training camp means first few games that continue to get better. I think we've got better tonight. And we want to continue that. But then there's this former NBA Commissioner David Stern during an indepth interview with Sports Illustrated attempted to explain what he infamously vetoed. The two thousand eleven trade of Chris Paul from the then New Orleans Hornets to the Los Angeles Lakers, which was orchestrated by current pelicans GM del Dem's stern said New Orleans wasn't getting enough in return, adding quote, del Dem's is a lousy general manager, and none of those players are currently with the team anymore, and he may lose Anthony Davis serves criticism prompted the pelicans to issue a statement. We are very disappointed to read the inappropriate and inaccurate comments from the former NBA Commissioner regarding the New Orleans pelicans organization as the utmost confidence in our general manager del Dem's in this storyline. Dovetails perfectly with another the tantalizing twenty nine thousand nine free agency class, which includes Kevin Durant Kawai Leonard Jimmy Butler, and apparently is impacting how most teams approached the ongoing NBA season. And even though Anthony Davis is a member of the twenty. Twenty two c class. Our very own. Brian winters believes many teams are already scheming on how to trade for the games. Best. Big, man. The future is impacting the now. And we are now joined by that very same. When her senior writer and host of the ESPN podcast. Brian winters in the hoop collective Brian. Those were really strong words from the former Commissioner David Stern about pelicans GM del deaths. Howard Stern's words landing around the NBA today. Well, I miss David Stern. Because started he said this kind of stuff all the time when he was the Commissioner a lot of it was off the record, obviously, the pelicans weren't happy. And I also part of that statement was we're glad to have Adam silver's the Commissioner now a little jab at him the thing about the history of this Kate that I think fans, especially Laker fans will not remember is that when David Stern vetoed that trade. He didn't veto it as the Commissioner of the NBA. He can be vetoed it as at that time, the defacto owner of the New Orleans pelicans at that time the pelicans were owned by the NBA because had essentially gone bankrupt. And we're taking over now whether or not David Stern should have had that role. And there shouldn't have been third party. Who was watching over the team, that's a different discussion. But he obviously made it clear that if he had the team for much longer he might have fired del Dem's seven years ago. But it is a tremendous moment. NBA history of big what if moment and clearly he did. Unlike the job that del Dem's was doing which is why does that trade, and I will say this. The pelicans are phenomenal team. They're undefeated and Dell Dem's still has the job. So I think they'll dumps gets the last laugh on this one. Yeah. And part of his job going forward is going to be dealing with Anthony Davis. But let's for right now put a pin in Dem's and Anthony Davis and talk about the broader free agency issues because you wrote this week about how teams are obsessed with the coming free agency class how is free agency the upcoming looming class actually affecting how teams are going about this season. Kate. So this is really just an offshoot of Kevin Durant going to the warriors in the first place. The league has been sort of in an a by for catered situation realizing the right now, the warriors were head and shoulders above everybody and looking forward and realizing the Kevin Durant may move next year, and that may trigger a massive change in the league and not just Durant. They look out there, and they see Kawai Leonard possibly on the move out of Toronto. And they see. Yes, Anthony Davis. He has two years left on his contract, but he has an extension zone next summer. And if he does not extend there's an expectation the league that the pelicans will have to trade him. And so there are teams out there scheming. How can we maybe get our hands on Anthony Davis? Even though the pelicans are four. No. And even know the raptors look great, and even though Kevin Durant potentially be walking away from three championships. I can tell you by talking with out there to multiple teams not one not two not five. They are really. Skinny excited about the way the league can change hands and twenty nineteen. If for no reason, then the maybe Kevin Durant will leave and change the balance of power away from Golden State. I mean, some of this is the quality of the free agency class with some of it has to be the shifting power structure that the league has gone through over the last five or six years. What exactly is it that's causing teams to really believe that the Lee can change is supposed to just feeling like things might say the same. Well, one of the reasons K is at the big markets are going to be in the game. So you're going to have the Lakers and clippers the Lakers wits. Lebron both having cap space to make bids and right now, the Los Angeles has never been more popular amongst players. You also going to have the Knicks and nets available to make a bids on top players. Now, granted the nets aren't exactly a jug or not. And the Knicks have been terrible free for years. But it's still New York. It's going to be an option then Philadelphia. Still one of the biggest markets going to have the best team. Amongst those teams going to have cap space to add another player. So part of this is it's really desirable markets. No offense to a small market like Indiana. It was going to have a big cap space. There's not going to be a major free agent probably going there. But it's the combination of of big name players the reality that a big name player may leave the best team and the big markets. You put all those together in a season where the warriors look like they're going to win. Again. You have a lot more excitement about the future than the present in NBA general. Manager's offices, right? Brian winters. Thank you very much. And people can check out the podcast the hoops collective, thanks. On Wednesday in New York. A jury delivered guilty verdicts in the FBI is college basketball pay for play case against three men James to enroll code who worked for decent Christian dockets who worked for an NBA agent. The men were found guilty on felony wire fraud charges and conspiracy to commit wire fraud. The jury deliberated for nineteen hours over three days. Now, the details of the case can feel dance and hard to process, but the reality is that this verdict strikes at the heart of big time. College basketball, a sample of the allegations that the men conspired to have Adidas pay one hundred thousand dollars to the father of recruit Brian Bowen to influence him to sign with Louisville. They conspired to pay ninety thousand dollars a mother of former Kansas prospect, Billy Preston and twenty thousand to the guardian of current Jayhawk Sylvia to sue. So this is a since been held out of the lineup by Kansas. Coach Bill self pending a review of his eligibility. In fact, if we focus in on the shifting tone at Kansas. We can get a sense of what might be happening behind closed doors at many. Grams across the country. Let's listen to Bill original reaction to the FBI's. College basketball. Pro this is from last year. I don't think our fans at his point time have anything to worry about. I'm much more concerned about our sports. And now here's Bill self just last night. When recruiting perspective student athletes, my staff, and I have not and do not offer improper inducements to them or their families to influence or college decisions. Nor are we aware of any third party involvement to do. So it does bring some closure that you know, as staff, we can certainly. You know, look forward to and prepare our team probably in in as motivated away as we have since I've been at the university of Kansas. Life comes at you fast, and many big time schools have been linked to illicit pay for play schemes, and yet coaches of schools whose names have yet to appear are still downplaying the swirling news such as North Carolina. Coach ROY Williams. This is also from last night to world not familiar with of never talked to shoe company about helping me get a player of never told an agent about helping me to get a player. I've never had a family offer not offer. But asked me for anything that shouldn't be asked for it. And so it is a world. And I don't think that all of college basketball's like that. I think that what's going on. It's very very sad. It's scary as it can possibly be not favor of what's going on. But at the same time does not go on everywhere. I've got some tremendous friends coach. Profession we've had this discussion and more people agreed with me than what's going on in that trial. And the way it goes on everywhere. It does not go on everywhere. So to offer us perspective on all things. College basketball. We are now joined by ESPN analyst Jay Bilas, Jay how does this verdict impact college basketball? Kate. I don't know that it impacts college basketball right now, the curious thing to me is that very few people, especially fans seem to care about this that if an less it is your team, and you will defend your team to the hilt or unless it is a rival team that you can point to and say see, I told you they cheat. The fans don't seem to care the NC. Double A is not doing anything about this. Because they've been asked to stand down in institutions aren't doing anything about it and claiming they were asked to stand down right now, the only people being suspended there's one player Soviet associate Kansas other than that. It's it's business as usual. What is the reaction been like behind closed doors in the college basketball world 'cause you write that the tension of media pressure is not there, but these are possible jail sentences being handed down. Yeah. And there's no question that the three defendants that were convicted on those seven counts of wire fraud and bribery. We'll do some jail time. I think it's an open question as to what the remaining defendants will do even these defendants whether they'll cooperate with the government and give up other people that that have knowledge or were involved in this, including sitting head coaches. That's really the open question is how how much further will the government delve into this because if it just stops here, which is a possibility I don't see anything changing in college sports that look this cheating has been going on forever players have been paid under the table forever. I still don't even the government takes forward, and some coaches topple from this. I don't see it changing in the long term. I think we're going to continue to see this because there's just too much money in the game for business. Not to be conducted earlier this week news came out that new balance would be paying high level prospect areas base. Really a million dollars to be an intern obeys. He's rep by LeBron James agent, Rich Paul and he's going to skip college in work at new balance before he's eligible for the NBA draft. I don't know if you saw this tweet Jay, but stadium basketball analyst, Jeff Goodman. He tweeted a quote from Syracuse coach Jim behind you see that. They're LeBron did nice job helping his client. It is LeBron's client. Right. Lebron re tweets it, he says, oh, they big man now, then Wednesday Rich Paul made an appearance on the jump. And I just went take a listen to this Kobe. I'm actually called me and apologized to me. But interesting, but my response is look again, we're talking about a system here that's been broken for a long time and these kids and the families need option. What was your reaction to seeing this Bazeley news? I'm not surprised that someone took advantage of this kind of option. It is an option, but Kate it's a minor league option and minor leagues is you know, are for the development of talent. College basketball is not a minor league. It is a major league. Minor leagues. Don't make billions of dollars. They don't have multibillion dollar television contracts, and they don't pay their coaches millions upon millions of dollars in the issue really is the economic rights of the players in until that's fixed. We're still going to see players going to college for their brands rather becomes major league rather than than going the minor league route. And we're we're still going to see one and done, and we are still going to see money moving under the table. You just can't it's kind of like Jeff Goldblum said in Jurassic Park. Life finds a way and in college sports multibillion dollar business money will find a way it always has always will. But we seeing these small shifts when it comes to the G league announcing that they're gonna pay six. Figure contracts and now this with Baizley, and then of course, the FBI investigation. Do you think that where do we go from here? And do you see any actual significant changes on the horizon? I do I think there are the Allston case is being decided right now by judge. Claudia Wilken in the ninth circuit back could see further movement where players have more control over their economic rights, even Condoleeza Rice and several members of the rice commission said after they did their work that they think that the player should be allowed their name and likeness rights to some degree. That's a lot of movement from some of the rhetoric we've seen from the answer AA over the years. So as the disparity continues to grow between the revenues and in college sports and limiting players to a scholarship only as that gap continues to widen. I mean, it's not even a gap. It's chasm. I think we're still going to see this tension. Does it mean that we're going to have a free market system anytime soon? No, of course, not. But I think I think we're going to continue to see movement toward the players having more economic rights certainly that they do. Now, Jay Bilas. Thank you for your time. And. 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The Orioles Rangers and Blue Jays the big ten handing out penalties for last week's pre-game dust up between Michigan and Michigan state. The Spartans were fined ten thousand dollars for initiating contact with Michigan players who were on the field the pregame warmups. In addition, head coaches, Mark dantonio Jim Harbaugh were reprimanded by the conference. As was wolverines. Linebacker Devin Bush for defacing the Michigan state logo in the center of the field. In Houston last night. Donovan Mitchell paying tribute by writing more and mccloskey's name on his shoes for the jazz game at Houston. A plus e the twenty one year old university of Utah runner was shot and killed Monday night on campus, the university's athletic teams will also remember mcklusky by wearing special patches and logos in her honor. At times what happens on the football field or even before a game can seem all consuming, and the sport has even started to divide us, but a trip the Houston. Texans shared this summer, six players with owner, Bob McNair, helped bring people together after one of the worst moments in recent US history as Michael Smith tells us in this NFL films and Sunday NFL countdown presentation with the Texans witness and South Carolina. This summer is a lesson of hope and forgiveness for all of us. Thank you so much for being sports. Thank you. Well, when I mentioned it. He said count me. We'll get a count me. And he said let me tell some of the other guys. And so the number expanded. This past summer. Bob McNair and six Houston Texans players mall with ties to South Carolina traveled to Charleston to visit historic mother. Emmanuel church. We live in Texas. But this our state this place all of us played in the so, Ramone. So new he came to the goes came. They were joined they came to support the church congregation and Charleston community. A community that suffered one of the deadliest hate crimes in our nation's history. Your car's council murder and one count of possession of a weapon during the commission of a violent crime. On June seventeenth two thousand fifteen nine African American parisioners were murdered during a Wednesday night bible state. But mother Emmanuel this. She is most unspeakable heartbreaking tragedy through tears of grief. Members of the victims. Families showed moments of an amazing grace during the killers bond hearing. Curse. Want the whole team? Kiffin you we have no real. Kids. Good. During the darkest hour, the unconditional love and forgiveness of these family members brought hope and healing to the palmetto state. I heard about it. And so the reaction of the people here. I guess I was stunned their willingness to do something that was such a horrible tragedy is just unbelievable. Mcnair, but university of South Carolina graduate was so moved that he and his wife. Janice quietly paid for the funeral expenses of all nine victims. I didn't know about it. But it doesn't surprise me. Because he is the kind of may is he's a standout gothic, Bob McNair, Jim Neal again. Everything is going around, football and social media. You can easily jump to to say. Well, you know, hey, I sent this. And I did that. But he did. Away until he does and he never most take much credit for. He just does it because he has a generous. He's always been that way. And that speaks volume about him as well. Let me just tell y'all appreciate very much y'all take into time and coming over here. I think that the example it has been set at this church is just such a wonderful example for the whole country. The uniqueness. Of course. If mother manual is the response of the families, as we all know because so many people tuned in thinking that they were to hear this families being outraged and say, how dare you how did you do this or why did he do this? But instead they saw remarkable act of forgiveness and that forgiveness continues to resonate. Been able to forgive a person of what he did in the hurt that he left and this this community in this church is very powerful. If we all can just put our differences aside if from time to time and be there to embrace each other as human beings, I think this world will be such an far better place. I wanted to make sure that the words that were shared mid something that would kind radiate within their spirit that they'd be able to carry. But once again, we were excited for them to be here. And I know the kids had a great time. These people they lost families were broken, and they're still moving on this to find a way to smile. You can tell this family here everyone. So I Susan brothers soon as you walk into his touristy feel the love. This is the big for me. Thirteen years in the NFL. Then a lot been around a lotta people. But. Thanks so much for coming. Did shows you common players. We have just great players. Good experience to have them with us. 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