20 Episode results for "Winter Park Florida"

#1173 - Q&A: Where are my customers coming from?

Side Hustle School

07:37 min | 5 months ago

#1173 - Q&A: Where are my customers coming from?

"Welcome to sign us with school. Got a really great question for you. Today not really enjoyed this question. It's so relevant for so many people. If you're GONNA be selling something online need to understand the answer to this question and in this case the caller our listener. She's sells a video tutorial series for students taking the cat that would be. The medical college admissions test. But she's not sure where her customers are coming from so she's got customers but she has not exactly sure what search terms they might be typing into the search engine or however else it might be and this information is valuable indeed. It's vital understanding where your customers are coming from. Because if you don't know they don't have that information. You don't know how to focus. Your efforts in drawing in more of them could be all kinds of stuff that's happening but there's only one real source of where the customers are coming from or perhaps there's one source where most customers are coming from. You think it's one thing but it could end up being something different. That's why you need this information. So how can she acquired the information? And as you begin to sell your product or service how can you do the same for most businesses? Not All web. Traffic or prospects or followers are created equal some convert buyers a much better rate than others. So that's why this intelligence is so important. Let's talk about it today. Where are my customers coming from? Let's talk about transfer wise the smartest way to send and receive money internationally. If you've ever had to move money across borders chances are you're haunted by hidden fees whether you used your bank or another provider. They likely hit an extra fee and the exchange rate and pay too much. And if you didn't notice well that's the whole point but transfer wise is different. You always get the real rate when you send to over seventy countries or when you convert currencies using their multi-currency account you pay one super low fee and keep more of your money over. Six million customers are already saving with transfer wise. Try them today. Get your first transfer free by visiting transfer Wise Dot com slash podcast Chelsea Myers from Winter Park Florida. And I've been listening to the show for about two years. My side. Hustles called 'EM CATNAP and I sell a video tutorial series who are struggling with math questions covered on the medical college. Admission test also known as the question is. How do we figure out where my customers are cutting from? I have a couple of partners who also offer other impact services have a youtube channel. And I guess I can be discovered through search but I'm not sure what am I site. Traffic is coming from more importantly who's actually converting to a sale finally make about four or five sales a month so I don't get a lot of data from my website. Have a really good feedback from customers and I really want to put more effort into marketing. But I have no idea where to direct that any suggestions you have greatly appreciated. Thank thank you Chelsea. Thank you so much for asking one of those questions that is super important but not everyone thinks about it. Not everyone knows to ask it and I really believe this is something that a lot of our listeners should pay attention to. I heard you when you said you have only four to five sales a month coming from the website However I think I you know you may have already done this but for any further listeners. Be sure to install Google analytics tracking code on your website. All right it's free. It's not that hard. We will link it up the notes today Google analytics in most cases. You'll just copy a block of code that they give you and you either add it to every page on your site or depending on what platform you're using there might be A. You can add it. That will make it universal which is always nice and easy and they'll show you how to do this with lots of oriels you're just cutting and pasting and what this tracking code does is. It shows you the behavior of your website visitors. You can see the landing pages you can see what. They searched for her to come to your website. You can see the path that they took as they navigate throughout your website. You can set up conversion goals which will show you okay. Here's how he became a customer. It can be really complex. If you're into that kind of data analysis but even just like a simple version you can learn a lot okay so you should totally how this installed even if you don't know what to do with it yet even if your website is totally new because the whole point is there. It's going to be collecting this data. You can look at it a month from now three months from now whenever okay. I know some people have privacy concerns about Google which I do understand. There might be some alternatives to it. It's just the Google analytics system is the simplest. And if you're already using or google docs or google drive or any other Google services than they already have a lot of data anyway so I just find it the easiest thing to do if you have a hosted solution like squarespace or wicks or similar they may also provide some analytics so make sure you have any options for that turned on in your dashboard settings. Okay so that's the most important thing. Make sure you're tracking in some fashion is. We'll give you access to a wealth of information once you begin to get traffic now as for Chelsea. She's fortunate that she doesn't have a ton of website traffic. It sounds like does have customers. She's got at least five customers coming through the website and maybe some other customers in addition. I'm not sure so one thing you can also do is you can also just simply ask your customers. Ask those those buyers. Where did you hear about us? And it's a simple basic question reveals valuable intelligence. You can do this either in the checkout process when they're placing an order. You never want to make things complicated when someone is trying to buy something but it's a pretty basic question so it's not unusual to ask that where you can also ask it immediately afterwards and so if you don't have confidence in the tracking system you're using or if people are coming from lots of other sources not just typing something on Google or another search engine but they might be coming through word of mouth or social media et CETERA. Then that might be worth doing. And then as I alluded to one of the things that so important about this process is that not all traffic. Not all visitors are created equal at least in terms of their intent to purchase so an example Chelsea might learn that some search terms are much more lucrative in terms of bringing in those pay customers. So what does she do without Info? While this week we were talking in the classroom episode about finding time to work on your hustle. Because everyone's busy and there's so many different things that she could do so many things that you could do but with this information Chelsea or anyone else will then begin to target those search terms much more and I would say also abandoned any efforts toward the less valuable ones focused on where the customers are coming from. I doubt information is so vital. So definitely set up. Some tracking will also include a link to that in the school. Weekly recap email. That goes out every Sunday. You can subscribe to that for free on the site. I just want to make sure that you don't miss this. Because it is said vital. All right thank you again. Chelsea for that wonderful question. Good luck with those resources and listeners. If you've got a question of your own guess what just come out of school dot com slash questions as you can hear featuring throughout the year along with updates from other listeners as they launch projects lots of good stuff coming in really excited about all that we are building together So feel free to participate or just keep enjoying the series. Of course it goes out every day it is also free. You can subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Chris Gilo and this is side. Hustle. School You from the onward project.

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Casey Tennyson -- Hook, Line & Sinker: Surviving and Thriving after Phishing & Cyber-Bullying

Living Legacy Leadership

28:50 min | 2 years ago

Casey Tennyson -- Hook, Line & Sinker: Surviving and Thriving after Phishing & Cyber-Bullying

"The. Beauties new all in one hair-color kits, make it easy to color your hair at home, get everything you need to color. Putatively radiant results loved by professionals, open to everyone. Sally beauty. Welcome to living legacy leadership will you'll be introduced to insides tools and strategies to leverage creative living and giving. I'm your host, Donna, Kim brand, create a brain trainer and legacy strategy. Coach, I helped change makers and late career professionals who are deciding what's next to develop their thinking, learning, creativity and collaboration skills along with leadership mastery for meaningful impact the guests and show content. I bring to each week all address some unique aspect of learning leadership or legacy. This will help you raise your own game as a leader business life and also showcase some extraordinary people who exemplify living legacy leadership, at least once a month. I also opera training section to skill you in game changer thinking for your own application. So get your notebook ready or just jar up your memory by tuning in your attention. And we'll dive right in. We have. Fascinating guest today, I will find out more about Casey Tennyson as we go along here, of course, but she has promoted everything from automobiles to public utilities to medical services with award winning advertising in all media, including print ecommerce and a specialty of broadcast. She is a published author of multiple books, and today we're actually can be sharing her story and the stories of a couple of the books Marlins cry, a fishing story, and also secrets of the southern shells. But before we get to that, let's dig into how she spent the most of her professional career. Combining her love and support of the arts and her promotional acumen to create chart charity art dot com, which is a magazine collection of articles and stories and activities supported by seasonal print, an online magazine. Zien with online promotions, weekly, and extensive community relations. Now, Casey has over the years created in managed many different organizations in the media sector, including Biju marketing, including a teak advertising agency, co, cutting edge communications. She's won many awards over the years Bogle in when she was based in the Orlando and Winter Park area where she won club of the year in advertising capacity and membership tripled under her leadership as president of that organization. She's held many other board positions and contributes locally wherever she is now also based in the Palm Beach, Florida area. So let's welcome. Casey Tennyson there. I can't. You're so today. Well, thank you. Thank you. So you come with a Barra diverse. What might when my call a portfolio background, but you've stayed as far as I understand pretty much in Florida, you one of these Florida crackers? Oh, I am. I'm Florida him. So did you start out in Orlando and then just moved to where your charity arts might be well received, or did you choose that specifically for reasons. Pretty much I was from the central Florida area and and I ran chart. I publish it and Winter Park Florida, which is the art center of the whole central Florida area. And then I just always wanted to live on a beach, a former competitive surfer and former captain swim team. I just wanted to be around the water. I wanted to be on the beach, and so I sent my life trying to pay out what each him going to to when I grow up, which happens to be at this point in my life because of the art. Then tacit well, got the beach to the arts and the beach. That's fantastic. So you you were pretty heavy hitter early on in, for example, the auto industry. Tell us about how you gain success in what in back in the day was pretty much male dominated industry. Well, I'm an in house marketing director for what was called a mega dealer back then and he had car dealerships all of the country. And basically, you know what it is. It's like people are who they are when I was twenty two years old, I was year out of school and there is a position of vailable and he asked me the man that I was interviewing federal. Why would I heart you in their people with ten years experience? And I nobody wants this job more than I do and I called him a couple times later and and he said, I tell you if you'll quit calling me every day, all it news for you. I'm Bob that I actually wasn't even close by four, but but it was tree. Nobody wanted it more than I did. And he said, I wish my kids were like you. He was so driven an- I think whether you're fifty five, twenty five, whatever people don't change. And I think you want something just make a happen. You go Bennett. So. I wonder if the earlier experiences a competitor in surfing, swimming and those kinds of activities, sort of fed into that stamina and to nasty. Oh, I've willing. It's an individual four, but it's also a teams for and remember the cap. So not only are you you're there is slammed. The endurance runs. You picked up on that, and it's also I had to do the schedule for everybody else. So guess he was always swimming the fly, the hardest one. Nobody else wanted to do it. So that is part of leadership. So it's just like putting together chart magazine. Once I sell the first ad, I'm committed to putting the whole thing together. So if somebody else contributes an article, somebody take photos and somebody else healthy selling help with an event. That's great. But if they don't guess what I'm committed to doing a hundred percent of it so that we have to be if you're going to be successful. Fantastic. Good. So how did you come up with the concept them of combining being advertising in which you had broad experience? And by the way I understand you were pioneer in bringing technology and software into the media a couple of decades ago when it wasn't that it was a new new phenomenon, but combining advertising with the arts that led to your magazine. Tiny happened. There was nine eleven. So I think it was a big head scratcher for all of us like, okay, what are we going to do now? And so within a few years, I developed the chart concept because what happened was and a fluent, Winter Park, Florida. I had a lot of small advertisers. I had five, six urgence jewelry stores and richer stores, and they all wanted to reach upscale a fluent buyers. But they didn't have very big budgets. So I don't know the agency, I thought, well, I'm gonna pool all of their dollars and create something for them to advertise in. So I just hose my own two favorite topics which charity and art chart had the trademark available. I trade market for the whole country and and chart with on the task in chart just to soar list understand that it's the charity art c. a. and then a RT chart charity are. Fantastic. Fantastic. So describe how that would work than when you when you pair up or you pair organization with the arts. If a couple of examples of things that have been successful in the past, both for the artist as well as the charity and something Gerald. So working on locally now. Okay. Well, a has to be a win win for everybody and everybody contributes and that is the concept of charts. So originally had a movable art gallery. And so I had are by maybe a hundred different artists and fifty different locations while I'm not gonna try that again. Art buyers. Right? Be laugh at that one. Fires would choose the charity. So I wrote checks over a hundred and fifty charity. So everybody loved it. The whole community was involved. It was. It was a good thing. I appeared it down now to be more and line with my own life. And so I'm going to do it just once a year in Palm Beach is what's happening now. So I read in the latest edition that you've got something going on with the dance studio. I'd I'd be curious to find out about how that's gonna work. Okay. Well, that's a good example of a win win. So it's a realtor brought me Palm Beach ballroom because she teaches there. So here's a great way for chart to promote an art form which is ballroom dancing. It's a great way for that realtor to be involved and hopefully get some business for herself and it's good for chart. They're very nice people. They have a charity associated with the ballroom where they will go and dance for senior citizens centers. So it was just a wonderful one. It's. Something like that is just what charts made for and is there are they also displaying artists work on the wall, all of the studio is that part of the dealers that separate. Correct. When I was talking to them about charts pass, they said, you know, we've been thinking about doing that my said, go ahead and do it and let your healthy promote that. So that was. How everything close everything else. Disney cells that and I live by that with this sharp permission. So everybody helps everybody else. Yeah, that's fantastic. Fantastic. So Casey, you're very colorful. Professional history includes, of course, being an author of multiple books and one of the two we're gonna focus on today. In switching gears here is called Marlins cry, a fishing stories, fishing spell p. h. i. s. h. i. g. a fishing story, the digital damnation of civilized society, woes that is pretty heavy duty title for a work of fiction. So tell us how that came about. What's the story line of the book itself, and then how how you came up with that concept in based on your life experience. Okay. What happened was char hathen first. And then in two thousand eleven down to Palm Beach have sponsors. They are. I'm selling my art there, and my kids are getting ready to go to college and I am going to move my business to Palm Beach, Florida. And what happened was there was a guy who is coming to my events. He asked to borrow my phone, remember it as two thousand eleven, and I said, yes, I handed Jomon. He went outside and cloned my phone terrifying, right. What that looks like is there are just a few pieces of information on your iphone, but somebody can do locate it if they know how. And that's a scary thing that people may know now and two thousand eleven it was before Snowden. It was on the news every day they're cyber threat cyber security cyber spine that wasn't on the news in two thousand eleven. I had no idea what it was. So I was. And of course, I'm Reid. Originalist. And so what did I do? I wrote a book about it, so it's about fishing in the Bahamas and read the story line there eighty five tenths that for cyber safety and the book. It's an easy read. So back to your own experience before we get back over to the book, how did you know that he'd actually done this? What started happening to you? How did that unfold in your life? Oh, it was. It was immediate. I knew it immediately when he did it. I looked around the room nights where that guy with my phone. I knew it. You know, having feeling when I. When I. With that, you had a gut feeling. Oh, no. I knew when I went outside, he'd been out there for fifteen minutes and he said he was calling somebody didn't call anybody number one. So he just had access to my phone and the ad two phones went on both hands wild-eyed. Okay. And then everything that happened after that it's all in the book, not everything, but a lot of it's in the book where you will get the gist. So the just is that if somebody has control of your phone, you sent me an Email attachment right after that got my computer by the way. So if someone has access to your phone, your computer, they can be you. They can wreak havoc on your life, and that's what you did. So for people who've never had to live through this, it's it's equipment really of of cyber stalking. Didn't he stock you for while while all which is not only creepy, but just terrifying. Also highly illegal. It's a felony you can prove it who good. And that's where the first Kipp comes in that the very first thing you wanna do. If you never read my vote, the one that's near that like you to know is that you should immediately. Now while you feel safe, go find yourself eight computer persons that you trust. Have their phone number written down on a piece of paper somewhere, not anywhere in your computer so that you have somewhere to go. Because if you're researching where to go, when you have a soccer in your computer or in your phone, it's useful. They will be to the punch every time. So you're saying basically that's a preemptive strike just have. Is there anything you can actually do to your phone with all kinds of malware spyware that you can put on your phone to prevent this from happening in the first place rather than calling somebody after it might have happened. I think there are a lot of preventative things. Nothing is a hundred percent. I think every single person listening today we'll get hacked at some point. They will have some form of cybercrime in their lives if they haven't already. And so again, I think just it's like hurricane preparedness, you wanna go ahead and have your kit ready for. Okay. When something happened to do I trust, I think that's my biggest biggest piece of advice to anybody. And after you read the book, you're gonna wanna go hire someone. Right. Okay. So how about a couple more tips before we move onto the other books? So aside from number one there, what you're saying do the preemptive strike of having someone you trust who can help you clear your computer if something happens, and by the way, don't put their number in your phone or your computer which can be tracked with what is something else someone could do. Well, there are a lot of tips. Like I said, they're eighty five. And there, I would say. I don't know. I don't have another one stopped my head. There are a lot of them. Sorry. I didn't know. That's fine. That's fine. Eighty five. That's a lot to. Let's let's remember in certainly worth picking up the book poor. So I know I a self occurred you at speaking engagements because you do do speak on cyber bullying and people can hire you for that or bring you in for that. And I did pick up my copy of the book when I first met you couple years ago actually, but we're asking people get the book, Marlins cry, a fishing story. The book is an few stores on Palm Beach island. However, the easiest way to get it, you can contact me through my website chart charity on calm. I don't sell them on their the. You could content me through their the probably the easiest way to get it is just go on Amazon dot com. If you put my name in KC Tennyson my books will pop up on. You'll see it and you have an option of hardback or paperback. Yes, that's true. Awesome. And I wanted to mention to that, you know, I don't know if this was part of the actual situation you experienced, but in one of the reviews where it it talks about Cam cyber evil, conquer, all it says it's an erotic -ly emotionally charged story. So I don't know if that was an element that you also had to deal with, but they. They saying high praises for your knowledge of boating and Marlin fishing as an industry. So where did you get that knowledge base. Oh, I can't Floridian. I loved the ocean just a lot of time fading. So I've spent a long time boating around Florida around the Bahamas all over the island, all over the Caribbean. And so this is something I enjoy. Yeah. And just back to the bigger issue, then of of cyberbullying who you did, say anyone with a cell phone or computer needs to to pay attention to this, but do you think some of the issues with social media and the young people that are growing up feeling like this is the norm that you like spill your guts and share your life all over the place on social media? You know, almost with just a ban and any thoughts for people to set out a little bit of a net or. In that regard about sharing too much about yourself, any just general advice? Oh, a lot of advice about that. First thing I would say as whenever you're posting your favorite restaurant, favorite story or favorite activity, you do it a week later or you do it a month later or you do it on a different day. You'd never post real time where you are might you're doing now? I'm promoter. That's a little tricky, isn't it? Let's say I have a restaurant advertising my magazine, and I've said, it's permit them. So I go in there. I take my photos and I posted a few days later. I don't have to post it while I'm sitting there. You know, at something all of us. And if I didn't have to says those, I wouldn't. Sure, yeah. So I think I think I think it's all very scary. I think there's too much knowledge about us and it could be used against you. And. It can be. They're, they're people that something false is said about you online. It's it's almost impossible to get it off. You know, it's going to be there and so it's it's dangerous. Well, in a couldn't ruin your reputation personally, professionally, I would imagine as well as being dangerous. Yes. And so yeah, but I think that safety thing like the Marlins quiet addresses more having cyber soccer and those people do exist and they're the people who used to be peeping Tom, they'd peop- in your window. They do this, they are out there. So I think just becoming aware. So again, I'm just gonna say, read Moreland quite a fishing story with the eighty five tests because but it will do is it will create awareness for you and awareness just like being safe in any situation, being knowledgeable, being aware, being diligent, these are the things that you need to give because technology is going to change every day. No, that's true. That's totally trip. Now, just shifting gears here. I don't detect much of a southern accent and yet one of your other very well-known, well received books is called secrets of the southern shells. Timeless advice and timely wisdom for southern shells and other bells. So where did y'all get that idea? And and share this with that book is about. Okay. Again, I was spending a lot of time in the Bahamas lot of time on each is I'm writing my books there, and my daughter was turning eighteen and she was going off to college. So I wrote it for my daughter. So Hoppy story about a little starfish, a little adventure in the starfish, it's everything that southern mother would tell their children. And so as Mateen year old daughter is reading, she's not liking it and. Okay. How can you possibly not like sweet little book about a starfish, and she says what? He told me every day. I feel like the starfish is giving me electric. Things like we be a lady kill meanness, kindness, things that I think are just pretty normal, but I literally have someone I had a friend read this book and advertising front, an executive level person, and for happy hour, she's reading. She's reading before it went to press and she starts crying and I might be crime. It's okay. The star fishing up. Okay. Upset about this star face and she said, no, Casey, she said, I wish I other. He told me these things. My life would attorney differently. Wow. So do I. Timeless advice. And you know, I'm surprised to reading through a lot of the reviews on the book, and I have a copy which I cherish is how many men are. You know will say things like this is not the type of book I normally hiccup, but once I picked it up, I couldn't put it down or now bought a whole bunch of gave them as gifts to all the kids, grandkids, co workers. And so on this just so much as you say, timely advice in wisdom in there. So that's that's amazing. You know Reese Witherspoon is apparently just come out with a new book called. Let's see whiskey in teacup, which apparently a speaks to the fact kind of like we're used to talk about steel magnolias that how southern women in particular have this very sweet x x Ray, but a steely interior. That's what the whiskey in a teacup speaks of two. So is this part of what you talk about in the in the boat? I think through there at the combination of that of being independent, holding your own, and also just being kind to the woman and to be lady and the men, the men of my life by if they have a daughter teenage daughter, college Asia, middle school daughter. They want them to read this book because really men want women be ladies. They want them to act proper. In Athens. I read one of the reviews where it said that you don't just act like lady UB a lady. It's makes us just a part of your daily walk part of your who you are. I have one. Being recently feared this book and she's come back. She fought like forty of them. And the big thing that she liked was kill meanness with kindness because he was feud with a family member. And she said, I've never heard that. I've never heard kill meanness with kindness like you just keep being kind. And to me, I think, well, that's just common knowledge, but it's really not. So again, you think it's just a little book of photos of starfish, all. As things that everybody knows that it really isn't. When you read through there, there might be something like that. That that strikes a chord with you is the reader beautiful. Well, Casey, our time has flown by and I just wanna make sure everybody knows how to get in touch with you. So give us your website again or how you'd like people contact you if they want to bring you into speak on either fiber bullying or southern gentility or or the charity, the arts events in projects. Okay. That's the way to get a hold of me is probably to go to my website chart. Charity are dot com. And that's Casey. Kennison is the publisher. You'd probably just Google me and it would pop up. And so my contact information would always be on there rather than someone trying to remember my phone number my Email just to go the website. Wonderful sets chart charity, art dot com. So Casey Tennyson, thank you so very much for sharing your very interesting rich tapestry of life with us today. Here it living legacy leadership and I wanna thank our listeners as well for showing up and bring your friends each week. We understand were growing readership listenership around the world, which is attributed well to our wonderful producer, Joe. So hats off to Joe as well. So I invite you to look past shows, as well as keeping up with the weekly shows on the. Soapy radio network and take a peek at game-changer thinking dot com as well to see what's going on there. So with that in mind, I just wanna remind you thanking you again, Casey Tennyson Rabin here with us and just remember to to all of you that the life you live is the legacy you leave. Bye. Bye. Now. Sally beauties new all in one hair-color kits, make it easy to color your hair at home, get everything. You need to color, hugely radiant results loved by professionals, open to everyone. Sally beauty.

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089: More theater! The past, present, and future of Manbites Dog Theater with co-founders  Ed Hunt and Jeff Storer. [Durham 150 Artist Spotlight]

Artist Soapbox * Local Artists on Creative Process

1:12:58 hr | 10 months ago

089: More theater! The past, present, and future of Manbites Dog Theater with co-founders Ed Hunt and Jeff Storer. [Durham 150 Artist Spotlight]

"Hey everybody welcome to artists. Soapbox artists box is a podcast featuring triangle area artists talking about their work their plans their manifestos I am your host Tamra Kazan twenty doc way back in the nineties and his teaching and directing are still reference points for me today through the early two thousands both hands theater company you Durham Artists Thank you for the Grant Durham one fifty and listeners don't forget support local artists and help them me thirteen after an extended courtship on a personal note Man Bites Dog Theatre Jeff ad and the rest of the man Bites Family New York City Portland Oregon Boston Winter Park Florida and Dallas he is currently a full professor of the practice and former chairman in the Department of and your community thrive in this episode I had the pleasure of speaking with Egg Hunt and Jeff storer the code we are spoiled for choice when it comes to the multitude of amazing creatives making art here Happy Birthday Jerem thank you materials which opened the nineteen ninety season at Joseph PAPP's New York Shakespeare festival and has co-authored tune for Tommy hotline in which I interview a few of the many brilliant artists living here I love this city and if you've spent any time in Durham you know that on stage at Man Bites Dog many times for the last fifteen years including during both of my pregnancies and in the final season at the foster street location in addition to being co founder and Artistic Director of Man Bites Dog Theater and the Man Bites Dog Theatre Fund Jeff Store is co author of indecent and I won't even get into the performances that I witnessed as an audience member that still affect me so deeply today despite the fact that I talk a lot have had a profound and lasting impact on my life personally and professionally and I know there are scores of other triangle theater makers accompanied that I co-founded with Cheryl Shambley performed our unconventional work at Man Bites Dog Multiple Times I was thrilled to be founders of Man Bites Dog Theatre Company a professional company founded in nineteen eighty seven dedicated to world and regional premieres of contemporary work not in support of the city of Durham's ceska centennial commemoration this episode is one of three Durham one fifty artists spotlight sixty three trip to New York with his father. Since nineteen eighty-four he has lived in Durham North Carolina with his partner Jeff storer whom he married and ars who can say the same and so lucky to have known jeff and ed or a while I was actually one of Jeff's students at an adaptation of Alan Ganesha's plays well with others jeff has directed over one hundred and fifty full length works since nineteen seventy five later studies at Duke University where he has taught since nineteen eighty two ED hunt has served as managing director and Co Artistic Director of Man on this podcast and I'm talking a lot now I don't have quite the right words to put around the gratitude that I feel dog since its beginnings in nineteen eighty seven Ed grew up in new Bern North Carolina and saw his first Broadway plays at the age of sixteen on a nineteen I felt for this place in the people in the space and the community of artists and audience members Jeff Talks about the ephemeral nature of theater. You'll hear that referenced during our conversation it's interesting to me that something so ephemeral can have such a lasting impact and I'm really grateful for that in our conversation today Ed Hunt and F- store or talk about the past present and the future they touch on the beginnings and the growth of Man Bites dog theater as well as the transition to the man bites dog written by Kate Dobbs Aerial Man Bites Dog Theater that bold upstart that instigator that model of the action under companies and artists in the triangle region that is a magnificent gift to our community I'll put links in the show notes to other artists Peter Fund with the closing and selling of the Foster Street location in two thousand eighteen man bites dog transitioned into serving as funding and support agency for Fox episodes that touch on man bites dog so go back and give them a listen and now before we begin I linked to read an excerpt from the five point star Michael Activism the mature presenter of new theater for the thinking class a support system for independent art theater in Durham and the triangle and a haven for those who care about such things enjoy the episode Jeff and add it has become an important physical spot in the urban intellectual fabric a nexus of art and politics a crossroads of thought and emotion out our lives I'm still answering it myself but I was wondering when you were young children did you ever imagine that you might one Felton open welcome in the rooms even in the early Itinerant Years but in the theaters twenty years in its own space on foster street I was thinking this morning about the things that we want to become when we when we grow up and I know these are questions that were always answering through as a child more than just a little bit and by the time I hit junior high school theater I encounter be theater makers for life or open theater company what did you want to be when you were little kids I was bullied a little bit theater and it became a place where I could I felt like I could excel and that I could make a contribution to and and and so it helps taught me find a place and so it has been a part of my life since probably seventh or eighth grade And thank you so much for being here it's good to be here that's very good I'm so excited to have a conversation with you on Mike we've known each other for a while it allowed me to get myself on identity what about you ed I didn't really imprint on theater the parents and friends and to keep me from wandering into the middle of their stunts and performance which I don't remember worked as a Bellboy in the New Yorker Hotel was very much you know fascinated by the showbiz stuff that was going on there so although one of my very earliest memories I must've been four is my brother and a friend of his we're going to do a backyard circus oh it's been kind of straight through for me it's pretty clear to you it was because it was a safe space for me as a person and in the early sixties sixty three he had this plan to take the family for a trip to New York which we'd never been to and to see some shows together it and as opposed to how other people may excel in music or in sports I found that I could excel him this and so it early I was more movies for me so that was kind of where I was and I just didn't encounter that it that much growing up to me about that how how is that decision made Jeff had been working at Duke I think the second year we were together for WHO's afraid of Virginia Woolf the funny thing happened on the way to the forum and beyond the fringe so that was my first introduction to as early on in Sheboygan Wisconsin at the John Michael Kohler Arts Center that we had actually mounted that we had collaborated on writing wise for Christmas I remember we went and saw some Broadway shows I think just randomly selected which were all them pretty much with the original cast that was a major moment for both of us in terms of how we saw theater the idea that it went straight through I mean we did it all through high school and then went which was a bachelors and Masters and then on teaching professional works Broadway Professional Theater I didn't see another Broadway show for decades and very L- other theater so Jeopardy New Yorker Hotel to visit the neighborhoods he'd been in my mother got ill and my brother was looking for an excuse not to go so uncast media by politicians by churches nobody was saying anything because it was embarrassing subject for them then in eighty seven you're in North Carolina and you decide to start a theater company which is man Bites Dog Theater this play which was about the beginnings of the AIDS epidemic in New York City and was about the silence that that was meant and people were dying and Larry Kramer Blesses cantankerous heart said that was bullshit and just plowed ahead with this amazing yes yeah yeah okay we met in eighty four eighty four we've been together thirty five years so that was an eighty four and editor at and I knew more about theater and what we were trying to do but but we had a couple of is the one who really pulled me into when we met just the idea that there was an entry way for me there and then I was able to say oh I don't know and then after that that was my father in the thirties had gone to New York addressing the issue because once that opened there was no way to pretend that was no problem that nothing was going on so just having seen replay which when we saw it was immediately obvious this was going to be a game changer in terms of which would hurt a little bit of buzz about didn't quite know what it was which was at the public theater and was about to open within a week I think when we saw it Wilson so he was staying there for a time I went up to visit and he was able to get tickets for preview performance of Larry Kramer's the normal heart crazy we were both at the sexually active gay men so part of the conversation going back was we've been we walked home afterwards and just talked about the power of that about the ability of theater at the right time start right off with the theater but we did do some writing projects together and things that I was not really great at he was much more patient and much in spring of eighty five he had gone up to New York for I can't remember if it was a project that we'd we'd mounted it sir one of the things we said was well we could put a play and the normal heart seemed suddenly the behavior on that in our case certainly and God knows how many other people so that's a slow way of getting to the point of the world and Larry Kramer's certainly did there's an expression there's a saying in Jewish culture that if you save one life you've saved a universe and I don't know how many untold thousands of lives it was just my father and myself we went up and during that few days this was like December of sixty three was like few days if that he could figure out was the stuff that I had no idea how to do it so it it worked out that way and of course we didn't with that this crisis this humanitarian crisis this crisis of life and death was not being addressed by newspapers by or anything like that he was very much in the mindset of this is a family newspaper and we can't discuss that so it just seemed obvious how cool I didn't know that that was probably the first project yes the first one we can talk about that in the eighties then itself was not much further along than the national conversation had been eighty five news observer for apple totally avoided the subject as much as possible there editor at the time Claude Sitton did not want to address issues of homosexuality does he saved but he very well could have saved hours because this was the early to mid eighties the AIDS epidemic was ramping up like a couple of years later Jeff was looking for projects to do you had separated from Duke for awhile you eventually came back and could research was to find a way in a place to put the play up and see if anybody came to see it and how did people respond because you mentioned North Carolina is not anything about this I've never been trained but their stuff I can figure out so especially when we started the theater that was kind of how I and fortunately the certainly locally so how did people respond when this play went up well I remember we were living in Durham North Carolina which God bless Apple Hill but Chapel Hill is not the most progressive community in North Carolina. I would argue that Durham is and certainly was at that time so we do that play and immediately became obvious well if we're going to go to the trouble of doing that play we should do it oh okay we have that we have the national hotline based in Research Triangle Park this is an amazing play what's to stop us sort of treating this like it can't be a major problem because nobody is saying anything about it somebody just said it to us and we need to take that in and Baser aw I got to be the one over by the popcorn refreshments as that so I guess that was imprinting me as being a house manager have a good director we have a naive we we don't know what we're getting into what totally obvious thing to do had not been done in North Carolina it was at a time when Durham North Carolina when they're trying in North Carolina on this at at Circle Rep yeah he'd been taking a seminar with Marshall Mason Mason Inland the thought of as a as a very progressive and liberal place we have a mixed history and I'm sure there was some resistance nationally them figure out how we're GONNA pay for them we'll figure that out let's just do this so that was the inception of the company there was no market research and that is that we are interested in plays that are non traditional inform like the work that your company did an area of work in terms of political and social issues that we want to be open to and we knew that there was always a current theater reflects the you're so we did seventy scenes of Halloween which is deconstructed play that has seventy scenes of this couple at home on Halloween ranging from realistically of a of a play where an actor was anthropomorphized as swan on stage and then the normal heart had already basically defined followed by the way we looked at plays we knew we wanted to do new place we wanted to do plays that wouldn't otherwise get done in Durham we were big fans of William Master Simoni who's played we'll gather jeff had used in class when he was teaching and you there was an audience out there we had structured the season to start with a calling her that basically said you haven't seen anything like us before at the right moment with the right artist with the right collaboration could make an actual difference in we were interested in this movement towards realism being sort of pushed into magic realism into but but but it started with a realistic base but then it would be somehow imagined with a larger sort of what if the swan was another example too but the whole thing was to build this season and to conclude the season with the normal heart I think part of our thinking was maybe that okay we can surrealistic to just bonker stuff going on we were allowed by the playwright in the script to do in any order we want it was a playwright and a play that was not being done in the triangle and we said that's a play we'd like to see nobody's doing that would be perfect kind of play for us theaters that I think will someday be looked at as its own sort of wave of theaters like ours some queer theaters the little season so people take seriously so let's find two or three plays and figure out what they are figure out where we're going to do science that it serves as something I'd been taught since I began to study and we so we had to have an open Ning four on some of them like all theaters no longer including us and they were doing an interesting range of theater considering where we were that reflection of society in these kind of plays new plays like this work being done here so it felt like it was mm-hmm and actually what heads described is has remained our form basically for the last Thirty one years a niche that we could call our own I would say some of this was being done I mean there were other theaters going in the area some of which are still around with them but what about playwrights nobody's heard of so we felt like there were plays we wanted to see that were being done so there's a whole spectrum out there or off Broadway scene going on what happened is it just stopped at the boundaries of New York City or stopped at the boundaries of Chicago it was very very off off Broadway start to things so it's a those were the plays in the playwrights that were going to be of the future and why should why shouldn't we have a place where new voices new companies new performance artists like on an to create the message so that was something nobody had seen that was a play that played with structure and form We decided we wanted to do that. One Miller why shouldn't Durham have something that was able to accommodate those voices in the conversation so it seemed to make logical sense that that would be a niche that would make sense for us to go into for some reason I thought that the normal heart was the engine Chicago there was a whole echelon in those major cities of the big big commercial stuff but then there was a very very healthy off loop well we were shocked downtown at that point had no one in a ghost town and the fact that we had actually by the time we got eldest audience over the course of few months and by the time we get to the normal heart people all sort of be aware we're here and that began to define the the kind of dramaturge e that we it is the stuff that's not getting here those are the playwrights like Lucas Eknath who just you know was nominated for a Tony Award I mean he's and the size of the communities but we felt like okay we see you're doing these play rides and we're familiar decide whether we wanted to do that the next step was a space that we got in the DC may building but on opening night of hunting cockroaches which was the name of the play for the opening of our second season we got shut down by the city because we hadn't we didn't know enough to have been checked out nineteen has been a year long celebration honoring Durham North Carolina's One hundred and fiftieth anniversary artists soapbox received a grant from Durham one he had to sort of put in storage until we can find a place to put it so we spend a great deal of time during the next ten years bouncing around normal heart begun to draw audiences downtown was I think a kind of a major thing because we immediately lost the rental out these are the types of plays that were interested in engaging with at that point what were your hopes and plans for what came next if other people are already doing this if other people are already doing center and are doing Sam Sheppard then what's next after that let's but I think the decision to go on was also based on your on something journalistic in that is that at that time a play done that began to say wait a minute that off Broadway thing that off loop thing that's happening in Chicago and New York is the stuff that is interesting durum have that that was the kick you know you had over a million people here with this whole Research Triangle Park area the triangle area Israel but we had for paying five hundred dollars for a storefront in downtown on Main Street and so we became vagabond. Let's jump ahead of the line and see what interesting things we can find and in the eighties you're aware of this because you were a part of it in the time I'm sure that he code wise and things like that I mean we were so naive so we had a production which we hid for five weeks set everything I production of your season but it sounds like you built to that over the course of the season so when you got to the end of that season you had pretty clearly planted your flag this is what we're about the sudden I realized that we were part of that conversation by doing the work the conversation was going beyond the actual presence of the theory in a storefront in downtown Durham could have at least five newspapers send somebody out and review it so all after the show next Wednesday Pat Dougherty had done a sculpture in the window of the theater area had we known it I I don't know how it affected us but it would kind of been nice to know that the other lesson is if you're going under the radar there was something about the energy there was something about going to downtown Durham you know dangerous downtown Durham you know and but we also did know how much fun it was quick to be exciting when we did it but it was exciting in the sense of lots of online reviewers and things like that so the voices are out there but somehow it was seeing it in print and having distributed around the triangle service and God is this going to work we've we've committed hundreds of dollars and had no idea what people engaged with it as though it was like news with a capital letter news as opposed to just one more thing kind of streaming across our computer screen but it was interesting to be down there and be a part of that of creating a different kind of energy you spoke earlier about approaching this initial and so I think there was something more tactical ice on like an old man saying this but there was something about the contact will wanted to engage they wanted to show up they wanted to form community and when we did something felt significant as opposed to now you sort of feel like you're screaming into the void season with a certain kind of Naievety so when you reflect back on that what's one thing or things that you wish that you had known through action was going to be so that was gratifying and that's the fun of it is when you can share it so the balance of that was the kind of thing and we just tried to challenge the audiences to come in It felt like news in a different way I think that you would you wouldn't think twice of now I mean there are people on the streets all the time were such different community than we were then which I think is how we interact with the world these days there's so much and I mean we felt Cheryl and I felt that even when we started which was in ninety five where people out at thirty years old and so I was having to learn a whole new way of who I was and in relationship to him as well took gay lessons certainly there is online I mean I guess we guess we have accommodated for that on online I mean podcasts like this certainly of when you started we didn't know how hard it was going to be so I don't know if that would have been a good thing or a bad thing that time it might have totally discouraged array where we got men by star but it actually comes from journalism phrase that if if a dog bites a man who cares but if man bites dog that's news all that we were here and we were doing the stuff we're doing this kind of stuff we were talking about AIDS and if you want to join in the conversation there's talkback also solidify who we were with each other and this was something that best friends could do with one another with city inspection be sure to stay under a also fun for us to do together at brought me how did you manage this as partners both personally and as business partners essentially over this time period this I've seen this I had to do with collaboration that had to do with balanced that had to do with shared stories I think that helped us all so I took care to gay lessons but he was surprised but making theater together a model that I was really familiar with they'd like the connection is not necessarily there it's interesting that you should say news because we get asked all the time where we got the work for many people yet it seemed to work very well for you what magic did you employ think it helped that we were actors and and I don't mean an I love actors I love I worship actors truly truly do but I think it helped two bathrooms would not it's never would've worked out two bathrooms he means in her home barely we were not dealing with that particular egos we were dealing with our own egos in different ways but not that particular ego and also that we had ah sort of doing shows as we could find space to accommodate but in ninety two we rented a space in at the corner in a little strip shopping center in terms of air conditioning in terms of height of the roof in terms of people finding it in terms of its size in terms of what you could actually stays there so it had limitations corner boulevard and Roxborough Sasha there and they show that was very interesting experience it was very limited as a space along in ninety two after our first season eighty seven eighty eight we were several years moving from space ends but those are interesting challenges artistically and gave us a base for three and a half years to make theater in our own space the when we went to New York we played the Susan Sheva theater which has the subway right underneath it so no matter what performance you're watching the subway goes by kind of like but we ended up having to leave that space in ninety five okay it was one of the interesting things about the space I want to say anecdotally as we we did major major electronic organ soundsystem great sound system on Wednesdays so any Wednesday night performance some interesting productions and interesting spaces but just the effort required to find those spaces to negotiate the best we was like camping when we were doing theater because we sort of had to make it up as audiences grew to know that they were actually seeing two performances that they were watching a performance and they were listening to another performance next door because of the ver- very thin so when did you when did you buy the place on foster straight well we gave up the space on club in Roxborough because it to move on from that we became vagabond again for a couple of years but we were getting along in years and realize and so we went oh a realtor we ask around somebody which is we started wandering randomly around downtown Durham and kept whining to ourselves all these empty spaces why isn't somebody smart enough to let us recommended this woman from Raleigh Betsy depre- who we met who was this great southern woman she had a great perm hairstyle finally dawned is we're looking for a space to rant if only there was some kind of professional who specialized in helping you do that how much time are we going to have in there we have to totally strike the set for one day in the middle of the Ron is that going to be doable all that kind of thing quickly is okay this isn't a long term solution because we're really tired chess schlepping those platforms and those lighting instruments so we were able to pull out gal she had like the striking readdress remember and she had these high heels and we met with her and she had a big pickup we realized okay this is not going to work we are going to need a more permanent space but a better one than the last time so we started doing what we okay let me look for you there's a lot of spaces in Durham tell me what you need and we said we need about this much square footage we need to have is the challenges that had we'd sort of explorers all the interesting creative ways to deal with the limitations of the space and we just felt like we need in there and nobody really was and we had kind of a piff knee at some point I don't know if somebody said it to us or we the lights support space so we have bathrooms the city doesn't close us down again we would like a high ceiling space we would like a space where there's not the fruit is now appearing in great but we had the word of faith church next door to us that on back in eighty seven when we were first looking for a place to do seventy scenes of Halloween which we had already started rehearsing but had no space yet for a Lotta columns support columns and stuff like that and she said let me look and we said good luck we've been looking for years less than a week later got a call from her Qatar I can't remember there was an suv or a big pickup trucks but it was a power vehicle for a realtor and so we met with her over lunch and she said it said meet me at the corner of foster gear outside King Sandwich shop and I'll show you the space there and we met her and the space she showed us was the seven space we said this is really interesting. It's a barrel roof airplane hangar type roof so there was no internal support it was sixty five hundred our feet which for us was like Radio City music arm it's so we had plenty of room up front to have support space lobby office bathroom rooms possibly a green room and then that still left like four thousand square feet back for staging for shop for stage manager booth that kind of thing so we really liked it and we said how much do they want and she said well they want this much for rent but they also would also just as well sell it so you should buy it and we laughed we neither of US ever bought property and we said Yeah and our strategy always had been baby steps have been like if you're trying to cross a stream and there's a little stepping stone and that was the plan what we did to start that was we put together a list of ten or fifteen people who had the wherewithal the three foster street building which at that time was a printing company which was in the process of trying to move out to research triangle park and had the space up for rent so she showed us we I mean we bought nothing our cars and she said listen hear the numbers this is what you'd be paying for rent over the years so the smallest steps possible to accomplish the goal was generally the strategy and that protected us against making stupid decisions is that nobody is going to tell you what you can and can't do it and we said well that makes sense but we have no money and she said do you have an audience amo and up fitting of the space you know you've been following us for ten years if you share this vision can you come in and supporters I saw that and he said I will give you money but and I'm not going to tell you what to do but I sincerely hope that you remount that again like eighteen thousand dollars if we can raise that from you and the other people were asking by this time limit which was like a month or two to go to our supporters and say we found this building this is how much is going to cause this is how much we have to come up with for down and as soon as you know this is a great area eventually it's going to take off this was in one thousand nine hundred ninety seven to write larger than normal checks and we went personally to each of them and said here's a space we can show you to you if you want this is what they were not in the business of doing this kind of loan but with internally I don't know what the discussion was but I think I'd like to do but before we launched a public campaign to raise money for it we want to be sure that the support is out there so we've set a goal of I think it was does that we couldn't take back this was a decision where there was really no going back the plan which we worked out with her was the people who are doing startups in the communities that or not getting the access to bank loans and stuff like that and is in there you don't try to jump to the furthest rock you go to the one closes and then very carefully watching your footings don't fall in make your way across people within that were saying if we support the arts taking place in downtown Durham that's good for our goals because we want there to be then we're going to go ahead with a campaign to raise the money for it and bless them the donors I'm not going to try to do the whole list because somebody two thousand dollars to get that and parallel to that we were going to banks and trying to explain them what a nonprofit was it was like out but just I remember the first one who said Oh absolutely was reynolds price because he loved our production of the mystery of Irma vep quarters and said this is the goal this is the time we're GonNa try to do this and please join us and I think we ended up having to raise about fifty somebody said to us you should go talk to self help Credit Union and they were specializing in small grants to like small business owners social stuff going on and this is somebody who has values that we share and this is a doable thing and so we were able to get the loan never happened I think it has happened now that the noon researcher taken over but there was a sort of a vision beyond that like if we ceiling I mean it could it could it was a beautiful space for all of us who worked there but it could have been something even more remarkable because we'd already done it twice at the old space so we said no promises but I think we still have all the costumes and we have the sizes I arrogantly told the board that I wouldn't direct into the space until they got rid of the drop ceiling the performance area which as you well know we ended a little bit of a track record at that point we could say this is who we are identity wise this is what we've done with no resources over the last ten years quitting in the building if you buy the space if the property takes off you will have some equity in that if even if it doesn't take off you will have a space even left serve remnants of man bites dog sort of hanging around we don't know how long that'll that'll be there but you can still sort of recognize that the building we had the Senate storage so we were able to raise seventeen or eighteen thousand dollars we had made this announcement to arson I think architecturally and I actually think that the this is kind of getting ahead of ourselves put the current owners one of the things that we were we really liked about the people that we wait you're nonprofit so how can you pay a mortgage if you don't make the money money or from the city I think I can't remember one of the two and Commission Chapel Hill Mural artists Michael Brown do mural on the side of the Bill Uh let's see new she she said when it takes off if you're renting this space your rent's GonNa go up and sooner or later you're not going to be able to afford it also you won't have any olding where the loading dock is who we talked to him about what that design with be we reference some agreed agreed the surrealism of it but the idea we wanted to convey was that the theater was reflecting community it was in so what he building the previous owners had difficulties in terms of the building they were hoping to build a new into in research triangle park so we would never have we just never could get over the Hump of daily survival daily fixing the whole that was in the roof right now and windows on silhouetted buildings that became more abstract as they went higher we're excited about the fact that so far in the renovation they have actual the prophet perch and so we were hitting a brick wall there and I don't remember it may have been Margaret Dumont at the Arts Council remarks council he left the Mural and actually they've put windows and doors in amongst the mural so I personally think that visually aesthetically used to be hours especially if you're someone who'd spent time there are first year or two in the building we got a grant business improvement grant from Arts Council this is what we'd like to do and we didn't really know what that what we'd like to do was exactly going to be but we knew that this space felt like the rights I'm just saying that it I think the building has gone further reaching its full potential because they've had the money to be able to do it right something that it's really cool looking because it's the real windows and doors but it's also the windows and doors reflecting the skyline which is right behind us so going back to the had had if if I had won the lottery you know we would have taken that ceiling out that would have been a theater with a twelve fourteen foot high ceiling curved building and start doing the work we needed to do until I guess spring of Ninety eight and so we started prepping from there to launch our first a street scene where there's a street lamp and it's night time but you can see the sky overhead and it's full daylight this sort of followed that and it had like how would you describe some of the challenges that came along with having this amazing building being in charge of this amazing building honest space or renting space for your art no matter what your priorities are in creating that art sold the building to is that they wanted to preserve the building they weren't going to tear it down and put a high rise there they wanted to preserve it and in fact to the point where where they've in the eighties and nineties we had had that discussion about having a space and what they reminded us was that when you moving on so long story shorter we were able to come up with the down payment money for it we were able to get the loan we're able to buy the to our advantage we had to put together a season both hands was available in November so let's plug them in there and then I could do the one I wanted to read tear up so we had control over that year's worth of space and that is intoxicating but as it is said it also comes with having to feed it and there has always been about our work something that that we wanted to make accessible thing about the space like this this is advice we got from the new realities consultants that the North Carolina Council made available to artists? You were mentioning the pros are this incredible sense that I can I can schedule the space anyway I want to and that were hitter but actually going into general mainstream conversation and there was a different feel I think at that point ticket prices do then lose accessibility for people who can't afford that and does theater then become this elite thing or is there a way to keep it but there are also a serious like when you own your own home there are a series of responsibilities that come along with owning space and having to care for the space of the Foster Street space and what it was like to say goodbye to that building that you had inhabited that we had all in habitat for so many years it was hard it was hard I think I think we had several different reactions I had to after unle our occupancy of the building had to be delayed for many months we complete the purchase in ninety seven but really weren't able to get into the air you know and we tried to keep tickets under twenty dollars for long long long long time that was not covering the cost of me function of that society that you're a part of so I could go on for many minutes about how important man bites dog came up with a with a sort of giving input was based on the Kingdom of light the realm of light the McGreevy where there's a he's on in the space was ninety eight ninety nine owning a thing like that sounds like a dream come true in many ways and I think for many of us it is so we we didn't go I mean people need to think that when you pay your pay three hundred dollars Broadway ticket you're playing for all that stuff up the and how you want to create it and how you interact with it it's never going to be the first priority because your first priority has to be this space accessible to everyone so that the conversation continues with a degree of diversity and a degree of actually the I I watched it from the street I watched it every time I went to Gear Street for dinner I was there but I couldn't be there Michael especially Michael Hayes was to me personally and artistically and I'm sure you've heard this from manny people in our community I don't WanNA gloss over those intervening years but I want that's certainly becomes the first thing in line for your resources your financial resources your time resources your personal resources so aching the thing it was making it enticing to bring people in for the conversation so there's a there's a give and take about if you have to brace the final performance sort of not go back in the building for a while but I watched it as if I were watching you know something of great sure that we have time to talk about the newest iteration of Man Bites Dog Theater so i WanNa talk about the closing the hammers and everything's Manca there in divvied it all up and had people come pick it up and had worked days where people emptied it out I mean when you board director for all these years just got in there and we knew we wanted to give everything to groups that could use all the platforms and the lights world please help us continue to make more thanks trying to pass the building on as the legacy seemed counterproductive because it would come with major made artists in the triangle region recently you announced the First Man Bites Dog Theatre Fund grants which include twenty-five project to ramp that up to what it needed to be seen prohibitive so the idea of we need a new thing that this can be calm I mean patting ourselves on the back I feel great a great great sense of pride in what happened I think there was no plan there was no blueprint there was one balloon left from wakey-wakey floating around the space in through all of that all of that in and out so when we started planning for what's the next phase this is great but it's not something we're going to be able to maintain so first of all congratulations on this transition and your first round of granting Ed what is it like to be on the other side remarkable and I feel very very privileged to have been a part of it the thing about it to me was that it mostly unconsciously it followed this felt like a theater that had been improvised but really needed to be honored with treating it with respect at the end as to how that was going to happen thing in the selling of the foster street location man bites dog has transitioned into serving as a funding support agency per theater companies and is we wanted a satisfying inning to what was a thirty one year performance we're not much about Improv but we don't have the resources financially to improve the building like it needs to be we're both getting well along in years and can't continue at this pace forever are rethinking the budget because we had been staffing with just myself for years and years at a very basic amount of money the table financially speaking I know that you were a major grant writer for many years how does it feel to be grand tour once we decided perform the history of the theatre where that story itself had beginning middle and end and as we got closer to the end we realize tend to imply that there was would would be a wrong thing but what it did become and what it will continue to be we hope was quite support agency for Triangle Theatre for the community that had supported us for so many years and to encourage more theater the jump back for a second the the mortgage that we'd worked so long to get from self help we refinance once or twice over the years grants totaling over thirty eight thousand dollars to support local theatre artists and companies during their two thousand nineteen twenty seasons Jason so that was our final moment was just released sort of saying wow that was really terrific that we did and really give ourselves and Michael was in the space having sent the last load out the theater was entirely committee injure repairs that need to be done by took it over and there was no one in the area that really had that resource to do as a theater it would require a major instill honor the audiences in honor the artists that have participated in this over the years what's the best way to give back so let's talk about that new thing with the clothes office steady every day Michael winning did this astounding feat of emptying out space giving away stuff through stuff recycling stuff in and out in and out over three weeks had never gotten thrown away or anything and so had did a little little film of of Michael in the balloon alone in the space uh-huh and so all that's got to be taken out is garbage is not somebody else use it so Michael and Edwin Edwin did the it would've been fun to have a ceremony at the end of the show or something but the idea of taking those resources and figuring out a way to become our leslie to help us make that happen we got to the point where we knew we're going to go ahead with it we had invaluable we spent the time from June of two thousand eighteen until this spring figuring out how to give away money to theater artist and what we came up with was let's start simply at a reasonable help from Cheryl Shambley who help us figure out the best way to tell people because this is something that for me in courage theater artists that felt really right to me in it and Jeff as well and the board was very much on board with it and work with the board that this was the way we're going to go one of the first things I started doing was to say to myself okay if we're going to take the assets from the people is was very distressing the idea this is going away it's the end of theaters we know it what can possibly announced that I did one of the things that always annoyed the hell out of me was how complicated how long how time consuming recover from this and so part of the messaging had to be this is the right thing to do and part of the messaging had to be we're telling you now but this isn't going to happen we're going to go through a whole other season so we have some time to get used to this and we have a way to celebrate if we can get it down to a pager so where there are no thousand word essays on what theater means to me or things have you done in the past you know gives a brief history of your shows what's this project tell us why you're doing it but without the up before an audience that people could see that would take place during twenty nineteen twenty twenty people can see or hear exactly Taleb building which we're in the high hundreds of thousands of dollars is what we ended up with after paying off all our bills paid off all our loans just yeah the amounts may change we may open up other project means that somebody could apply for but this time specifically we wanted to fund things that would but we were within like a little over a year of totally paying it off Alan disappointment is we didn't quite get there before we close the bill the grant like within a day or two of it being do ours number driving over to Raleigh this was before the Internet you know what the purpose of your project is you may not know you may be creating it now so how can you do that so what we came up with was great for a year that legacy and history and the best way to celebrate is to do the best theater we can so we got to the point where we closed down how much it was one of those things that just turned your avoidance behavior and I found myself always finished so as somebody who was not great at doing grants but learn how to get by with you know who are you where the basic guidelines for the grant proposal who are you basically tell us what your experience has been doing theater what kind of I'm GonNa say just give us a brief description of it and tell us a little bit about who do you think wants to see it but again without you the more than twenty five percent of your total budget for the project

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The Murder of Jennifer Fulford

True Crime Fan Club Podcast

32:22 min | 5 months ago

The Murder of Jennifer Fulford

"Explicit content is bound in this episode so listener discretion is advised. Welcome back to the true crime. Fan Club odd cast. I'm your host Laney as any listener of true crime fan club knows life can change in a split second. The decision to turn left getting stuck in traffic going back to the office at the end of the day. Sometimes all these things can unwittingly put you into the path of danger. Other Times a day is nothing out of the ordinary and someone evil crosses paths with an innocent person going about their day. Innocent people are suddenly thrust into a world of fear anticipating death they know is coming. They just don't know when this is a story. We have today about a loving nanny and house manager. Who was going about her day when her life collided with evil. Okay onto the show and September twenty seventh two thousand Seventeen Jennifer Fulford a nanny and house manager for Read Berman in Winter Park Florida left her house in Almonte Springs Around Five Fifteen. Am to head to work. This was the last time her husband Robert Fulford saw or spoke to Jennifer. Jennifer was later seen on a surveillance camera leaving dental office around ten thirty. Am then again on camera around noon arriving at the home where she worked at in Winter Park after leaving the dentist. Jennifer left of voicemail on the phone of Jennifer Grim who was going to install artwork at the Berman home. Jennifer said she was on her way to the house and Janet could come over scheduled however around eleven thirty. Am Jennifer called Janet again and sounded anxious Jennifer till Janet? She had received a call from the school and had to pick up the Berman child she told Janey grim quote. I have to go get him. Come over Jennifer did not go to the school to pick up the child and this was the last record of anyone having spoken to her. Her employer Reed Bergman was contacted by his wife at approximately four o'clock pm stating that Jennifer had never picked up their son read attempted to reach Jennifer by telephone. But it went immediately to voicemail. Read picked up his child himself and return to his home. Jennifer was not there and read found her purse lying on the floor in the downstairs bathroom her wallet. Keys and tablet were not in her purse he also discovered the seat was left up in the bathroom downstairs which he found odd since he rarely used that bathroom. Jennifer's car a two thousand fifteen gray Hyundai was also missing Jennifer had worked for the Berman family for sixty seven years so read found this behavior. Very strange it was unlike her not to answer calls and definitely not like her to Miss. Picking up their child at six twenty five pm read contacted the Winter Park Emergency Communications Center to report Jennifer Missing and possibly endangered officers conducted in areas search for the nanny with no luck around. Eight o'clock pm. Robert discovered an odd. Atm withdrawal in the amount of three hundred dollars from their wells Fargo Joint Account Detective Sharon Wagoner requested and received camera footage from the ATM withdrawal. Which showed a white male with eyeglasses and ponytail? The male had a towel around his neck blue tennis shoes. A white t shirt and a watch. Plaid band this withdrawal occurred at twelve ten PM. At two seventy five south New York Avenue in Winter Park Florida Robert was shown the footage and still images of the male by did not recognize him approximately four hours later. Another attempt was made at the same ATM by the same individual wearing different clothing. He was wearing short sleeve. T shirt with the logo. A long-sleeved shirt or jacket and dark colored Cap with UCF on the front he also had fresh scratches on his hands this time. He was unable to withdraw additional cash because three hundred dollars is the maximum daily limit while attempting to find Jennifer Fulford and her vehicle a probation officer in winter. Park view the ATM footage and realized it was one of his probationers. Scott Nelson Scott had been released from federal prison in May two thousand seventeen and had been meeting with Dominquez a federal probation officer regularly since his release while law enforcement provided this information it was not made public. Scott Nelson aged forty nine and two thousand seventeen was originally from New England. The son of Lawrence and John Nelson of newbury Vermont in Concord. New Hampshire Scott was arrested in nineteen ninety four kidnapping and robbing. His father tried to this. He had charges pending criminal trespass harassment and violation of a domestic violence restraining order sipping from an April twenty eighth incident with an ex girlfriend. According to Joan Scott had been living in squalor. The summer of nineteen ninety four and repeatedly asked his father for money attend or if he can move in with them his father adamantly refused on. May Twenty Fourth of that Year Joan had given Scott Ninety dollars of the one hundred dollars. She had in savings and he went to Maine in early July. He ran out of money and that was when he started reaching out to his father when his father repeatedly said no Scott made another plan on July. Eleventh Scott was at his father's house waiting on him to return home when Lawrence arrived. Scott pistol whipped him then forced him to go to the Wells River Savings Bank in Bradford for Mont Scott. Made his father withdraw ten thousand dollars and told his father he would shoot everyone there. If his father alerted anyone wants his father had the money Scott took him back to the house and using duct tape bound him to a chair upstairs before he left. Scott destroyed the phone then fled to Vermont and his father's car. The car was later recovered by the FBI. In Plymouth Massachusetts based on information provided by Joan Scott phoned her frequently only staying on the phone for a few seconds. Afraid of being tracked by a wiretap Scott was arrested in Las Vegas on August Twenty Fourth Nineteen Ninety Four. He was arrested on federal charges since he transported a stolen vehicle stolen money and firearms across state lines. He was also charged with possessing firearms while already a convicted felon. He was the first person charged with carjacking since the federal law had been enacted in October nineteen ninety. Two in May of Nineteen ninety-five a federal grand jury indicted Scott on two charges of a felon in possession of a firearm carjacking using a firearm to commit another violent crime and interstate transportation of a stolen vehicle and stolen money. He was given fifteen years in a federal penitentiary plus three years of probation. The charges against him in Vermont were dropped in light of the federal charges. Scott had a quote an apology to the community published in the showcase. A small shopper paper and Woodville New Hampshire on September fifth nineteen. Ninety five in the apology. Scott said the incident was family matter. That obviously went out of control. He also urged parents to show love and kindness to their children. The Orange County state attorney. James McKnight said Scott's apology had nothing to do with the charges being dropped on November twenty. Six Two thousand ten Scott was released from federal prison he boarded a bus and went to Daytona Florida less than two weeks later on December seventh Scott Robbed Cova Bank in Daytona Florida. He ended the teller. Handwritten note threatening to blow up and kill everyone. If he did not get all the paper money he also claimed to have a stun gun and a forty five caliber pistol in addition to the bomb. After he was handed the cash he fled the bank but only got as far as parking lot before being captured his mom was examined closely and was discovered to be nothing more than a collection of trash including a soda bottle a tape recorder and a small propane bottle. Scott pled guilty to robbery with a dangerous weapon on February eighteenth. Two thousand eleven. He was sentenced to seven and a half years in federal prison. He was released on. This charged on May fifteenth. Two thousand seventeen he moved to the Orlando area and found employment with the assistance of Federal Probation Officer. Scott's boss allowed him to reside in the workplace as well Scott and his probation officer. Julio Dominquez Matt Regularly but apparently his probation officer was concerned about the living arrangements. Because according to Scott's testimony Julio Cost Scott's boss to fire him and throw him out creating a homeless situation for Scott Scott was bitter about this and explained it leader in court. This was a situation on September. Twenty seventh two thousand seventeen. Jennifer went missing when Scott found himself homeless and starving on the streets of winter park. He decided he was going to rob someone. Unfortunately he chose the health of Read Berman. Around Eleven. Am Scott. Ring the doorbell at the Berman residents when Jennifer answered the door Scott forced his way inside he had duct tape zip ties and a knife. Scott bound Jennifer's hands with ZIP ties and used dunked tape to bind her feet. He then took the top comforter off the bed in the master bedroom. Enwrap Jennifer in it. He carried her to the car and play. Stir in the hatchback after this he drove almost to the Disney world area and founded deserted wooded area off a Polka Vineland road where he planned on leaving Jennifer during his testimony. He insisted he had not planned on killing Jennifer but her death was his probation officers fault. Whatever his actual plans were he duct taped her entire face which causes suffocation. Scott also stabbed her seven times. Two of these times. Were superficial back. Wounds and five were deep chest wounds on September. Twenty eight two thousand seventeen. Jennifer's car was recovered from the colonial town public's at fourteen hundred east colonial drive in. Orlando THE NEXT DAY. Crime scene technician at bigly worked on the vehicle to recover evidence he recovered. Dna swabs a blue moon Belgian white beer bottle and distinctive plaid. Men's watchband a white towel and a white t shirt. The T shirt towel and watchband all had what appeared to be bloodstains on them and also appear to match what was in the initial video of Scott at Wellsfargo atop comforter was also recovered from the hatchback area of the vehicle which read said match. The one missing from his bad read also said the beer bottle match beers he had at his home on September thirtieth two thousand seventeen with the assistance of an Orange County aviation unit. Jennifer's body was located in the heavily wooded area described earlier. It was confirmed she was dead and she was in an advanced state of decomposition. The knife used to kill her was found with her body and with her. Dna on it. Scott was arrested the next day October. First two thousand seventeen in Jacksonville. Florida Motel. 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If you can't decide what to listen to you don't worry you can keep your credits for up to a year and then used them to bench on a whole series. If you'd like to give audible try go to audible dot com slash t CFC. That's audible dot com slash T. C. F. C. P. or text. T. C. F. C. P. To five hundred five hundred in two thousand eighteen after being in jail for several months. Scott wrote Judge Keith. White a letter in the letter. He complained about the food in jail and slated. He had already lost forty pounds. He said he had requested more food and had been told he had high cholesterol he also said because he was white. His request was being ignored. He told the judge he had provided information about unsolved arm robberies and said he would give up eight unsolved murders for which he had never been caught. The letter said the government wants him dead and his insane defense team wants to delay his right to a speedy trial. He asked the judge that their request be ignored. He did not want this right. Waved Scott underwent psychiatric evaluation and was initially found incompetent to stand trial. There wasn't much information as to why he was found incompetent but this diagnosis delete his request for speedy trial and gave the state a chance to bring in their own psychiatrists to examine Scott when the trial began in June. Two Thousand Nineteen forty one. Jurors were selected as capital qualified since charges qualified. This case as eligible for the death penalty they were narrowed down and the trial began the trial and sentencing lasted approximately three weeks. Jury selection began on June tenth. Two Thousand Nineteen and a verdict was reached on June twenty. Eighth Two thousand nineteen during the trial. Scott testified on his own behalf. The defense only asked three questions about Julio Dominquez they ask God who he was how he was related to the case and what was his importance to this case. Scott explained Julio was his probation officer and if he had not gotten Scott fired and caused him to lose his living arrangements then Jennifer would be alive. He said that it was completely. Julio Dominguez is fault that Jennifer was dead. The prosecutor began questioning Scott at this time and ask got a few questions about his background. Such as where was he from prosecutor? Burdock ASCOTT DID MR Dominguez Kill Jenner. Fulford Scott replied. No she followed up with who killed Jennifer Fulford Scott Nelson replied. I did prosecutor verdict. Asked him if he would like to explain why he felt that. Julio was responsible for Jennifer's death Scott simply said yes so. The prosecutor prompted him. Please do Scott explained. I was employed in Winter Park for a painting company by an alleged Christian family who took it in their interest because I was such a dedicated hard worker. They allowed me to live at their employment as well prior to that. I had been homeless after being released from Federal Custody. Thrown to the street homeless with no money. I mean that's how they do business the prosecutor. Then ask Scott exactly what it was that Julio had done to him Scott replied he made it a point to create a situation with my employer slash landlord which was one and the same and he got me thrown out on the street. After months of suffering on the streets of Orlando. Miss Birdie asked for clarification on this thinking. Julio had just told them he was on federal probation Scott said he met all the qualifications he needed to on probation. He had a job he had a place to live and he was reporting into his probation officer. Julio seemed to take offense to that and used vulgar language to get him fired by asking Scotts employer. What are you blink crazy for letting this man live here and you're going to let him work here get him out of here and that got me thrown out on the street. The last Saturday August twenty eighteen Miss Birdie corrected him and said twenty seventeen and so Scott corrected himself during his questioning. Miss Verdict asked him if he knew read Berman or Jennifer Fulford and he said no then explained she was just collateral damage. The prosecutor said that Scott just used Jennifer someone unknown to him and who had no relation to his probation officer to seek revenge at this point. Scott said May I make a suggestion? You're venturing into territory. Were simple yes and no answers will not work and attempting to manipulate me when I admitted to killing her the judge then chastise Scott and said to only talk when he was replying to a question. Scott said it was random that he selected winter park. The prosecutor continued to questions. God as to why? He chose that particular part of winter park to live while he was homeless. Scott replied I have to be somewhere. What's wrong with being in the city where I work? The prosecutor started to say something about it again and Scott said I think the more we have. Qna here the further and further. Were getting from the reality of the matter. I I you're not getting to the real truth. You're getting some cited version of what you want. The prosecutor interjected refusing to answer the question. Scott replied I don't even know what you're asking. She told him she wanted to know when he put this part of winter park into his sites to exact his revenge against Tulio Scott said the night before he murdered. Jennifer Scott stated. His Confession was a quid pro quo. Miss Burke said no he needed to answer the question and then on redirect his attorney could clarify that his attorney objected to directing the witness it was sustained and Scott told the prosecutor to give him the question again. Scott claimed he was planning a home invasion. And if anything happened it was merely collateral damage. He wanted cash and nothing else. He would have to carry and try to sell because that would be problematic. Scott saw Jennifer the night before and thought she could be his way into the Berman House. Scott finally got to work into his answer that his confession wasn't quite true. Miss Burke said so it's all a Sham Scott said it's not all a sham but they didn't get the real deal because they didn't give me real deal. He asked for a single cell or bottom bunk but allegedly the detectives told him they didn't work like that Scott Disagreed and said the detectives kept filling his head with pipedreams Scott sent the detectives. Were very manipulative. And that's why there was no video of his interrogation the prosecutor replied as were you. The prosecutor went through the day of the crime again saying that on September. Twenty six two thousand. Seventeen Scott was on foot. He had his duct tape and ZIP ties and the knife. Scott interrupted her and wanted to know what that had to do with. Julio Scott said Julio was the reason he killed Jennifer and that was the end of the story if she had any more questions asked his lawyers. The prosecutor said your honor. Can you redirect Mr Nelson to answer all the questions? Not just the ones his attorneys ask. The judge started speaking but Scott set is memory was getting foggy the judge than chewed him out inside. Mr Nelson don't speak when I speak. Do you understand sir. Scott Nelson affirmed he understood. Scott said he did not have those items walking down the street on September. Twenty six two thousand seventeen because it's not a good idea to walk down the street like Rambo at this point in the questioning. Scott began using. I can't remember for many of the questions alternating between this and I don't recall and telling the unvarnished truth as Miss burdock pulled out photographs for Scott. To look at he commented you look stressed. She paused then thanked him for his concern. She asked him if he took the comforter off the bed and he said read. Berman slept in that bed a few nights and didn't even notice. It was missing. Maybe he took it off the bed. Miss Burdett asked again adding. Maybe you wrapped her in it so you didn't have to drag her kicking and screaming out of the House. Scott replied that he did not do it adding. Maybe she did. Maybe she was called. Miss Burke asked him to repeat the last line then said on September twenty seventh. How long have you lived in Florida? Scott then replied I know. She ended up cold when asked if he had driven Jennifer's SUV. He denied it then said he thought he had driven it then said it was two years ago so he couldn't remember it when asked why he drove to the Disney area. He stated to dump her but that he did not intend to kill her escot claim to not remember driving her or putting duct tape around her ankles or even stabbing her but then claimed he had been abused a lot in the last two years and he had suffered a lot of brain injuries over the years. Miss Burke tasked if Jennifer look terrified and Scott replied. Well I'm sure she wasn't happy when he was asked if he had the knife the whole time. He asked how he was supposed to carry a person and a knife at the same time. Miss Birdie pointed out that he was clearly seen on surveillance videos and at the train station and seven eleven. He no longer had the. Ucf Hat on at that time. Was he making a conscious effort to appear on as many cameras as possible? Was He taunting law enforcement or trying to give them clues as to where he was. Scott denied this but then sat he let them arrest him in Jacksonville October. First Scott stated he had been starving to death and winter park and that prison was not much better in all of his time in prisons. He said they terrorize and brutalize. You he called America's prison system a spectacular failure quote. They will spend thirty thousand per year per person to keep people in prison but not give these individuals dime to help them on the outside. He stated he had been beaten and had been chained. Abed's he had cockroaches crawling all over his bed and had been beaten and raped several times over the last years his cells had been flooded and he had been forced to wade through urine and feces on June. Twenty eighth the state rest of the case and the jury only had to deliberate for four hours to determine he was guilty. Scott was found guilty of first degree murder kidnapping carjacking with a deadly weapon and robbery with a gun or deadly weapon once the verdict was reached then the sentencing phase of the trial began prior to sentencing Scott Nelson stated. He was a homicidal maniac and beg for the death. Penalty Scott claimed he had been raped in prison and Contracting Hepatitis C. Because of this on July first one of the jurors for the trial had to be dismissed for discussing the case outside of the court the Juror claimed he did not know if he could vote for the death penalty for someone who was obviously disturbed during the sentencing phase. One of Scott's brothers testified as to the abuse Scott suffered as a child his brother James stated that their father was a perfectionist and had often hit all the children. He also recalled an incident when they were in a car when their father pulled over and began punching their mother who is about seven months pregnant at the time with Scott Conversely James said it seemed as if Scott was their father's favorite and admitted that their father had even purchase got a recliner so they could watch baseball together. Our when Lawrenson Joan were divorced. The two rarely had contact. Scott's older brothers had moved out and Scott was left with his mother. Who had been diagnosed with schizophrenia. He was frequently the caregiver at times. They were broke left without heat and had to burn furniture to stay warm. James recalled a time. That Scott was on his bike and was hit by a car. Scott had to be taken to the hospital by ambulance but was released. The same day syncing began winding down on July tenth to jurors were approached outside the courtroom by a man with a bloody hand stating that Scott should fry on July eleventh Scott was given life without parole. As is the case. The victim's family was able to provide insight into their loss and how this impacted them Robert. Fulford said that his wife was his best friend. Amazing he continued on. She often seemed to know what people need it. Even if they did not when grocery shopping she seemed to know everybody in the store she took care of three households. She would buy what she needed and then would by sub sandwich for somebody outside who looked hungry to her her daughter. Hannah said Jennifer was her best friend she also said I will live the rest of my life without having my biggest supporter to cheer me on and lift me up. She also lamented. My Mom. Never got to see me. Turn thirty years old. She will never dance at my wedding. She won't be here for the birth of my children and they will never know her vast love however Anna also said of her mother. She locked in a way that made you feel like you were the only human being on the planet. Sadly Jennifer Fulford was murdered. The Scene Day. Her granddaughter was born a fact her son Austin geist says is one of the greatest pains of all her body was found the same day Austin in his family left the hospital. Her friends described her as loving and selfless and a kind charismatic woman. Who would start singing at the drop of a Hat Austin said of his mother? I know she is out there dancing and singing with a smile on her face and love in her heart. I promise you this. She is the one that will be remembered. Okay Fan club members as I conclude this episode. My one question to you is. How will you sleep tonight? Thank you for listening. If you enjoyed the episode. Please be sure to leave a positive review on Apple. Podcast or your podcast player of choice. It really does help us out. You can find this on most social media platforms twitter at T- CFC POD FACEBOOK DOT COM slash T. Cfc podcast you can also find us on Instagram. T- CFC underscore podcast and of course our website is true. Crime Fan Club Dot com if you have an episode request citizen Email T. CFC pod and GM dot com researching writing provided by. Suzy's ain't John Content editing by Britney Martinez production and audio engineering provided by Nico at we talk of dreams. Check him out on twitter at we talk of dreams or we talk of dreams Dot Com. And I'm your host Laney.

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#529 Lessons from the World's Most Successful Disruptors

The Small Business Radio Show

54:04 min | 1 year ago

#529 Lessons from the World's Most Successful Disruptors

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This is now showed number five hundred and twenty nine this episode is provided by Nick, Steve the all in one communications platform for your small businesses all spider mite corporate direct, protecting your assets crucial and your protection set with corporate direct. It's also provided by Lincoln. It's the place. Your business should advertise generate leads and build relationships with your audience, they free one hundred dollars at credit. Go to WWW dot Lincoln dot com slash SB are well disruption your area in the market is a sure thing it's dangerous because most reaction comes from outside the industry. Think about Uber. Think about net flicks. So. So how can you become the next this rupture and make sure that your competition doesn't beat you there? My I guess is Mike Matic who is the founder of internationally recognised innovation consultancy medic Douglas, which is engaged by more than twenty five percent of the fortune one hundred Mazarin three books on innovation. He's got a brand new book out. It's called plan d lessons from the world's most successful disruptors. Mike, welcome back to the show. Hey, berry gritty here. Thank you. I love to use those examples about Uber. Netflix because these are people that that really disrupted their industries innovators, but they want inside their industries. I can't relabel when you're sitting inside the jars there's this actors expertise trap where you've been working on something. And you know, what worked you know, you can afford in all things are done and along come someone that has no business being in your business Mickley out of business because their objective, and so how that trap of if the disrupters mostly come from outside the industry, but you are inside the story. How do you prevent that? Or how do you compete? Truly what the books about. I became fascinated with these people that blow stuff up for the good of the whole, and they seem to be able to do it from one company to another company to another company, or if they're internal they do it in one department another department, and so the book really studies, the call the superhero powers of the disruptor and takes part what they do whether they're doing it intentionally or not that allows them to you know, be objective or think differently than everyone else in the room. So for example, I I noticed that under pressure disrupters. Have this ability to force themselves to think the opposite of normally would. So, you know, the difference between a lateral in critical thinker, for example, lateral thinkers are just down another idea and another idea they're all over the place and critical thinkers think in a straight line. You know, this is the problem. Mrs the best way to solve it under pressure. Disruptors actually force themselves to think in the opposite way. So I find this freeze. Very interesting said Mike is that. Ruptures blow stuff up for the good of the whole. What does that really mean that I'm just blowing up just so the industry can be better? Not initially my company or my job. Now, they go from the go from. Embrace the hate to innovate. Are not victims. They they hear themselves complaining about something, and they fix it. They don't they don't just sit in wine. They say, well, this doesn't work. This doesn't make sense. And then they have these little formulas and practices. The good news. Is that you can use them to you. Can learn them. They're not that hard where they they they take things apart and they put him to back together in the better. Even while people around them are saying, no that's not how it's done. So do they do this because they have no choice that they see something that is wrong. And so they blow it up, and they don't care about what the ramifications are are they don't quite know what the ramifications are. They just know. It's got to be different. So it depends. So everyone of the chapters starts with the story and one story about him. I Ron rep king. He's our guy amid and entrepreneurs organization, and I moved into town and our kids wanted we went under put our kids in school. We have no idea there's a competition to getting school. And so he said I'll help you out and got us online at the school in about four weeks later, he calls up and he's like man, I'm so sorry. If a disaster. Are you talking about it because it's school? It's just a mess, and he started complaining about how the school was dysfunctional. And wouldn't listen to him, you know, here things like, you don't know anything about education. You don't know what you're talking about during the best. We can everything's fine. And after hearing himself complained for about three weeks, I got a call from Ron said, hey, I'm starting school. And he said, what do, you know about starting school said nothing, but I knew Ron he had started a software company another company, then another company, and guess what? We took our kids and put them in his school and even today his schools the best school in town. So he in that instance to your question he was doing it because he loved his Kitson much. But the real thing is he he hurt himself complaining here himself using the language of victim. And he asked the questions, you know, what the outcome. I want what stand in my way and who's done this before. And he moves very quickly from being a complainer victim to being a creator and match what disruptors do, but how do you might get past the fear because I think a lot of us aren't disruptors because we're frayed of what will happen to us will will. People actually think what the outcome might be. So I think the most practical chapter in the book is about a call to Davinci effect and Leonardo Davinci was just an absolute genius. But part of his genius was he used these models and frameworks and another story. I was with a friend. Joe Cam a actually worked with me, and we get out of this meeting. And I said Joe, you're the craziest idea I've ever been around. I mean, you come up with such a great brainstorming. Actually, I'm not I'm terrible. What ideas here what are you talking about? You're always the one with all these ideas. No, I've taught myself a few frameworks I saw in my mind when I take a challenge, I put it through this little framework sausage machine, and it allows me to come up with really quickly. So that's an example of of someone who sees it weakness and uses a framework to solve it. So in the book, I've got about fourteen different frameworks that disruptors us to make decisions about who to hire. Who to fire how to make a decision how to think differently? And I was I was actually pretty stunned when interviewing these leaders and one of my questions was what you her to get over the fears. Well, I, you know, I have this framework. Make a decision I've been using it for fifteen years, and it hasn't let me down Benjamin Franklin Benjamin Franklin was famous for he wrote the first book on and do you know that? Today up their desks. So I'm the first guy that said on your show. You're welcome. After five hundred plus shows. See if the FCC allows it I think they will anyway. So he used frameworks to make decisions much more quickly than the people around and frameworks are fearless. You know, you don't have to worry about a motto of its work for you in the past. I love this. Because even if you don't see yourself as an innovator you can use these frameworks to get you started on innovation. Absolutely. And what's interesting about that comment is innovation is kind of like marketing since that's what I do day today. Remembering the in the sixties there, it was a madman era. And no one knew anything about advertising marketing, so they outsource the today. Companies have their own innovation groups and the way that they make those function is they use the models and frameworks to you know, start with an insight, and then move tonight DEA and the the the models are what allow novices to make the right decisions quickly. So there are there are about a dozen or so frameworks that I've found disruptors use pretty regularly and the the good news is there. Stupor easy to to copy, or as we say parallel engineer, and it'll give us one of those frameworks that you think is particularly effective and easy to use. Okay. So as an entrepreneur one of the biggest mistakes, I've made is keeping people on who who are brilliant thinkers, but they weren't good for the culture. So there's a there's a hiring and firing framework in in that takes your core values. What matters your company on one axis, and you're an skill and the other actors to lower left is low core values are not really good at your job. That's an easy when you get rid of them lower. Right. Is you know, they're really solid core value is, but they're not that great at their job that you train that person. You bring them along the top left is the most dangerous quadrant. This is the person that is just so good at their job. That sales person is driving seventy five percent of your revenue that they're just a jerk. You know, they're bad for the culture top right is the person that is great at their job. And. Hold all your values. You want to cherish person. If you don't get rid of that top left person, they will destroy your company, they're like, a cancer and worst worst the person that you should care Shing on the top, right? Quadrant will quit. So so when you do reviews or hiring when I see disruptors doing is they're very clear on what they've IU for the company, and then we can visions on values. I and and skill second that that's a simple to two framework that allows them to make the tough call, and you can have a conversation with your leadership team around. Okay. Let's talk about eat. We have in our company. So I named it the fire in framework, but you could actually call it. Hiring framework. It's a way to put a team together jury effective. We talk with the author. Called plan de lessons from the world's most successful disruptors in the book, you also said that disruptors need a soul mate. What does that mean? So I'm a big fan of Disney always wanted to go there, you know, happiest place on earth on the magic game never been. They're talking about. I as a kid. My parents brought me when I was you know, too young to remember, my mom would wave black and white pictures in front of me. I'm a stroller told you there. So I had this like, oh wealth Disney passionate and people started giving me books about him and the more you read about him the more. I realized that it was not Walt Disney, but his brother ROY the gave us the happiest place on earth. The magic kingdom in the talking mouse. There's there's this ROY was the dreamer. You know? He was the visionary. But then you had ROY who is the operator. And so every time while we have this big idea. I would say we'll how we're how do we prioritize that? How do we pay for that? How do we operated allies that? And that's what you see in great companies wherever there's a Bill Gates is Paul Allen wherever there's a Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak, Sheryl Sandberg. And Mark Zuckerberg? There's this union for the Yang and these disrupters are aware that they have these superhero powers that are also weaknesses. So they find a partner or a leadership team balances them out, and that allows them to be divergent and convergent at at scale that can think really big which is what you need to do when you're under pressure and your competition is coming with new things and. They can they they can think really effectively squeezed profit in operational excellence. The challenges that is companies grow the operators typically takeover. So you have for example companies like General Electric that was started by Thomas Edison, one of the greatest visionaries ever. But eventually was run by a guy named Jack Welch and Jack Welch wasn't as rupture. But the way he disrupted his withdrew six sigma and lean and everything was about operational efficiency. And they tilted too far to the right? So they forgot how to make mistakes they forgot how to take chances. But man, could they be efficient operationally? So there's a chapter on how to balance this visionary and operator, I call them idea monkeys and ringleaders, and they're all these ways to to keep that getting sample. If you're a ringleader if you're an operator instead of telling the the idea of your visionary who just came in with idea number one hundred twenty seven today to that too stupid idea. How about being humble, and realizing that you think it's a stupid idea because you don't know how to solve it. Take a step back in any humidity, say Daish berry. I wish we could find a way to make that legal. And then you can say, okay, you're right. That is a legal. Let me think about it and go off, and if you can come back and say, hey, listen, I found a way to make that elite that thing that you thought was a legal actually legal you now have disrupted your business because that's what the person outside your industry thinking. They don't know if it's legal or illegal. They just know what has to be fixed. So making a wish is a way that soulmates get along they lean into the strength of the other that because I realize the longtime ago that I was a ringleader and idea monkey, and so I try to surround myself with idea monkeys you and I would make great business. Right. Exactly. I I haven't partner and I would come into his office. And I'd I I'm Eric. I guess I did he would dramatically watch slowly over the whiteboard. Pick up the dry race pen painfully. And right. The idea at the bottom of like forty seven other idea, then turned to me and say, okay, how does this idea compared to the other Forty-six where is it? In terms of being, you know, essential versus important or urgent. And the good news is actually a framework to solve that problem in the book as well. This is great information again is planned de lessons from the world's most successful disruptors where can people get in touch with you and get a copy of the book. So my Email addresses, Mike at Matt up Douglas dot com, undoing a fair amount of speaking now running around so I can be in front of people that can change the world. The answers usually ask Amazon has the book just came out last week. It made it to number one that was very in business strategy. So very excited about that. And, you know, very close by saying I believe my purpose is to inspire empower curiosity, which means if there's anybody out there. Needs. How changing the world if I can help you. I'm going to do it. So I appreciate the opportunity to be on your show. Those words this is an may twenty CPT in Chicago. We'll be right back. A lot of small business owners are confused about where to advertise online and had to actually get results. It gotta be diligent because you can lose a lot of money fast. If you don't choose the right platform and the right audience the question, I always get is. 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A successful franchise here to help us Christie Wilson del who's a business professor at Rollins college in Winter Park, Florida as well as a contributing franchise industry writer, she got a new book called adventures in franchise ownership Christie. Welcome to the show. Gary, thanks for having me. I love the book because certainly owning any business. Specially a franchise business really an adventure. I could not agree more. And if owners are people that are considering this ownership or thinking back, you know, we all have lots of denture. So I decided to catalog on because I realized you know, these really fit into kind of four different categories. So it wasn't adventure and pleasant adventure. So which franchise did you become a part of that one? Great question. So I bought a kid kids academy franchise, that's a really childhood education. Franchise there's probably about five or six that are, you know, strong players in the industry. And for me, the reason why it was a good set as I talk a lot about timing with my students and others, but the timing in terms of life plan was perfect segment for me because I had a young son, and I knew the customer, and what they were going through the clients that are working trying to. To have some peace of mind while dropping the child off for, you know, ten eleven hours sometimes so it was a great fit for me. And then the other half of that. And this is not unusual. I had a connection with someone that was very familiar with the brand. And a lot of times that happens somebody's introduced through friends or family members, you know, to specific brand. So when you opened up your business. What was the approach wasn't? Well, I'm gonna look in the manual, and they're gonna tell me exactly what I gotta do. And I'm gonna follow their formula. Or was it? Hey, I know what do I know this business? I'm gonna do what I think is right. In the beginning. It was I'm gonna follow the manual. I'm going to do what they trained me to do and proceed in that way. But after you start having some adventures, and you're maybe seeking some advice from the franchise or about how to handle certain things, you realize, okay. There's more to it than clearly within the manual, but it's a great foundation. So I moved more into probably starting about your three into coming up with different formulas for running my business that complemented the systems. So the book itself is not a, you know, negative view of franchise ores that Bill the businesses for us to buy. But rather the can't put everything in their number one number two. You don't want them to you wanna run the business in certain ways to show, you know, your your particular take on it. And then number three, I learned probably about your five out of fifteen years that you know, if I want to stay motivated, I'm going to have to work in some different things than what they're talking about at age cue to keep me into Jassat motivated, keep my clients engaged and so forth. And that's really how the four pillars approach came about before. We get to the four pillars of a couple of things that are very interesting. First of all, this isn't a rip off that everything wasn't included in the manual the manual. You say should really be the serve as a foundation and over a period of time you're going to develop what works best for your business. And I love you said well after year three after your five this is not in a get rich quick scheme. You are added for fifteen years dairy trail, and the the reason an of course, I'm going to answer questions. But the reason I wrote the book is because I felt like if I had sold halfway through which there's a there's an adventure. They are somebody still a bunch of money from me and. I would so bombed in so depressed. I literally got him business evaluation. So if I had done that very I would've left all the good stuff on the table. Meaning that you can really get good at running your business and having a lifestyle that you want and having a nice asset sale. If you continue to stay not just on top of it. Maybe by a second or third unit. But you you have to see it through. And I saw that will the average quite frankly is seven to eight years that in this. Yeah. In this industry that folks own the franchise, and that to me was kind of shocking, and I did not know that until you know, I got out, but so hopefully, even for small business, independent business owners, you know, you're going to get frustrated you're going to get the moralize you're gonna have feelings of you know, this all there is, but you in that's what the approach is about. You know, you create the different ways that you stay. Suzy Aston and engaged, and you know, I'm kind of getting off on that. But but the foundation is definitely in owner's manual for you know, the industry is in good shape right now, I should say that because in the past maybe there were you know, some negative players. But the foundation is definitely there and the help is there to typically with your franchisor if you are not to say stubborn to ask for help. It's there, but the truth is people come in franchising with all different levels of business experience. And that's that's okay. Different levels of education, different experiences in the segment, I never owned a preschool, but I had a lot of business experience. So this I think fills in the gaps of owners manuals, you said and also. Here's another cliche levels, the playing field for people who need more than what they're getting so toes, Lou about these four pillars Christine that you did mention. Yes. So what I found? I didn't start off and say, oh, there's four categories. But I did have a system that I used that wasn't an owner's manual that I chose to run my business. So it starts to the final pillar, which is the framework really is method management. And I highlight that the focus your business. It's things like planning your profits. That's literally chapter fifteen not just saying I'm just gonna keep doing what I'm doing and see how much money in the Bank every month. Yeah. And here's one meetings aren't sexy. But accountability is making people accountable. You know, you're not going to be there all day every day, but your managers will be and they need to be accountable. They need to learn how to do that. And so I had monthly meetings in orderly meetings and an annual planning meeting, so that's the fourth pillar. That's the framework and its most boring part. So that's why well that made it sound like other parts of boring. It's hard part. So I put it at the end how about that? But the first pillar is about strengthening your business build layers of loyalty. So I talk specifically about why loyalty matters. I mean, we know that. But do we really know that, you know, loyal loyalty consisting your business, if there's a downturn, or, you know, something difficult happens you get some bad breasts. That's loyalty. So I talk about denting and then courting your sweet spot client, your sweet spot employee and then also your sweet spot community partner. And I know a lot of your listeners can relate to all three of those that's not specific to franchising. But and I find that of course, and have a couple exercises. But and then don't keep that news to yourself. You know, share that with your team, you know? Yeah. I know we really love this customer. But at the end of the day, they don't do business with us, and they're not referring people. So this one that you guys don't like this is. Sweet spot in my case. They have three kids. What do the math? I literally did that one day. And it's in the book. Let's do the math to see how much how much we should be valuing them, regardless of their attitude on one particular day so layers of loyalty number one number two strategic leadership, and that's about protecting your business. So I call it strategic berry because every small business owner knows branch or otherwise you air a lot of hats. You know, there's never a loss of things to do so on an annual basis and before the year starts focus on who are who. Are you going to lead this year? That's actually name of chapter figure out that particular profile of that client that you're going to focus on to make their experience better to add value to their experience. You know, is it going to be some kind of loyalty program is going to be some kind of an end of their age your fifth year anniversary. You'd may not know that. But we we do, you know? So here, you know, this month is on us. You know, that's just a simple example. But strategically who are you going to lead, and that needs to be big needs to be something that you have to put the more into. So you do that for an employee sediment? Maybe it's part time after school kids. Okay, fine. You know? No shame. You pay them nine bucks an hour or less, but make it worth their while in another way and then a community community association. You know, so as an owner you're involved in leaning those things, and that's the first part of it. The second part is that there's three different types of leadership, and the third pillar is the money pillar money metrics, grow your business know, your numbers, but I put a really constructive. Take on that that I guarantee you anybody can use and find good things in it control expenses and Addie fishing sees there's money on the table. You just you just find it. And then mine your metrics revenue goals. So the loyalty the leadership the metrics and the framework and the bottom line is that gives you peace of mind that'll grow your business every year, if you put some of these practices in place and better you'll enjoy it important part will Christine appreciate you be on the show where can people get a copy of your book adventures in franchise ownership and get in touch with you things much asking. So it's the billable on Amazon. And there's a KENDALL version and Barnes and noble in some Barnes and noble stores. However, if you go to my website, if somebody says, well, let me just check the lady out and see what we really think you can download chapter one in the introduction and my website is Christie Wilson dealt dot com. Or you can get there with four pillars the four pillars approach for pillars of franchise ownership, but Christie Delk, you know, I'm sure it will pop up with that. I wanna make it complicated. But thank you so much. On the show. 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How do you actually get it produced and more importantly, how do you actually get people to buy especially if it's a new category or a very niche product here talk about that as Jordan Barnette? He's the founder of compound Meg ings an online only retailer of men's leggings, Jordan. Welcome to the show. Thanks, very well. I would question the idea of men's leggings until you sent me a pair, and they're my favorite one actually going outside, and it's cold, and I'm actually cycling. So I know there's actually a place for this product. At least for me love it. Good to hear that's one of the one of the things we've noticed actually we've been able to ride off the back of the active way way the lost years. Mogo feeling more comfortable wearing leading for things like going to the gym. So take us back to how this idea come up. And what made you think that you actually could be successful in a new niche? Yeah, it's been question because it is an inch product. Have you heard of festival? Burning man. Of course, it's one of my bucket lists. I love to go go to get a special place. But it's particularly because everybody wiz very strange items abounding minutes. Post-apocalyptic Mad Max, that's why love it because I only read fiction, Jordan. So I'll be at home. You will you love it what? But one of the things that'll be going with a is looking and I went with my brother a few years ago and toll to to make sure the leggings the time. I was I was telling my fans, I thought that crazy. I was saying what licking in the leggings women. And they were like, yeah. Yeah. But we'll wear them, they're fine. And so we would online and trying to find some men leggings, and we can find any. So we just boats him women's leggings and Roger sizes. We get to any man and his fifty thousand guys will wearing the same women's leading. If if if nothing else, we knew that in Latini idea would have a captive audience with with have been men fans. So that's where the idea came from. And it just happened that when we launched it was I mentioned it just at the time we have to way with keep kicking off. So we had a fiscal audience. And then we had fitness audience sue this idea that okay? Well, at least I can sell it to the burning man, folks. So how'd you end up producing the product yet question, we we a lot of the days, which who went to Alibaba. And I must say that the quantities home in order to get samples and dot production. However, if you wanna maintain strong ongoing relationships, you really need somebody on the ground where have you manufacturers so office you and production. We did the runs with liba, and we did the best week road kind of muddling through translating emails, and you think Google translate from. 'cause we we manufacturing China, and it became clear pretty quickly that unless you have a man on the ground out day, the qualities. Gonna saw a so what we did with you flew out there. I mean, even a whole bunch of of textile is in manufacturing brokers and now a British American Chinese company, and they help us kind of model about old production whereas out in China, and it does make a huge difference when it comes to consistency in quality product. And so, but then it says here that you also really to maximize everything you actually less from Romania. So it really is become international effort. Yeah. It really has. And the when we when we launch the business, my brother, and I we wanted to invest as much to us capital in it's possible. But I didn't wanna take a cut on on lifestyle until I was living in London at the time. But don't moving out to remind you will or some kind of country would have been a great option. So I headed out to Bucharest that's spent a year out there, and you can leave a king on very much money. Be added bonus doing now with somewhere like eastern Europe has really good cheap talent. And that's everything from social media manages to petankis too. Program, and he'll be going to decide so on top of the saving last point of you. There was the added bonus of of cheek talent that helped to business soon. Now, you're manufacturing. And so now you've actually done the easy part. I believe of starting a business, right? Yeah. Actually have a product. But how'd you get it known? So men would know how and where to buy it so out backgrounds. My brother Ben and I eating advertising. So we know strangest to to brand building very important to us that from the beginning, we built a really strong brand. And we actually we don't show leggings we sell confidence. And it's one of the one of the things that customers feedback to us is that it wearing out what gives them when you attitude gives them a little confidence. So it was very important to us from the beginning that we started with a very strong brand. And then from there being in each product, we wanted to be way the communities have guys were that that would that resonate with basically? And then. It became about figuring out which marketing channels. So we tried everything at the beginning. Bit scattergun approach. We had a bend Bassett's program going on we had Google ads. We had somebody writing content for us. We had Facebook and Instagram ads. We had Piagapo that about outreach and to in the beginning with a little bit of this data gun approach, and then slowly the strong channels would materialize. And at the moment most about most about time and budget and energy is on three different channels. And one of them is to one of them is by Bassett, mainly through Instagram and the other one east press outreach. In added added bonus do we get Bijou exposure? And you know shows like like this. We will get back links to which helps improve SEO bring up a couple of things you said because I think it's really important to repeated for all the small business owners listening is that you're not selling leggings, you're selling confidence people can buy leggings. Which is a commodity anywhere. Confidence is much more difficult to come by. It's so true. We realize that if we wanted to compete with with the guys, and I mentioned earlier, we have a kind of range fitness Ryan leading those good and Besse than the mood lemons and Mike eaves and out of that. But in order to compete with then we we need a strong brand right in that arena when it comes to dealing Brown, you'd really go tap into the emotional things. And that's way, these confidence and attitude comes from the other additional to that. He's a specially when when you on a marketplace like Amazon other probably my slices of your own website. Which once again, we need to do for each product. We need to be everywhere. The the the why that you're gonna stand out from attend Chinese knockoff ease by having a very strong, very strong brand seems that you've done a lot with the whole visual because your product is very colorful. And with visuals does that help you create a community? So you get more fans than also spread the word. Yeah. It was one of the ways. As we one of the one of the we wanted to and made it to stand out. So you can go to any of the prize. You can go to knock you out of Asan, grab your black leggings and you'll blue leggings, but there's not many places if you if you wanna be more colorful in adventures in your designs, and that's one of the points of differences. We only do wonderful and creative thousands as is. So you can get you galaxies. And we do delve it sin metallics and holographic. And that was a strong point of difference for us to have a a clearly different shedded product. So right now, you sell online you ever see yourself going into retail stores potentially something off about the challenge with finding with Taliban moments. I is the the the module a little bit low, and you need to have enough cash flow in order to stuck out, basically. So if we would to if he would be in four or five retail locations, depending on the the the whole Sal arrangement, we might need to front full of that stock is quite expensive to do. You need to have enough cash flow, and then you margins Loa when you're feeling hotel. Anyway, suddenly when doing at the moment, I think I think it could be about three to five years. And then of course, the major retailers can always stuff back. Exactly. So then you'll you'll you'll stuck with it doesn't sell or. Yeah. You've gotta get at somehow. It's very interesting because with social media and the internet it used to be with retail. If you're going to be successful you had to get into a major player store. But now you can do it online. Like one of my one of my former clients Scotty vested this bucket feet. I don't know if you're familiar with Jordan that does colorful designs on sneakers a nut, but I'll look into but you should look into. And so they start online they eventually got into even Marcus and had their own stores, but it really has opened up this channel for a lot of people that want to sell consumer product that weren't able to do before it so true. It's such a challenge then becomes how do you get cut through because something like name off sponsorship and to play devil's advocate to my last point. If you do end up taking the low margins and going retail, you at least get some some good and extra of brand exposure out of that. But if you decide not to do that. Yes. You imagine sealing on you. On your own side. But you probably don't go to spend more money on personally exposure to Snow Brand exposure, we're talking with Jordan net. He is the founder of Capelle Meg ings unlined retailer of men's leggings, Jordan, one things I also noticed that you really put together a global team. And I think one that where Americans are particularly weak is many times were frayed to put together a global team because we understand the language. It's it's a long way off what advice would you have for small business owners in America looking to do and put together that kind of team. I say the the benefits are extrordinary if you do it, right? And the the keys to use some of the more developed freelance pop up work is one that we use freelance dot com is one that we use what I would say don't don't done jumping straight away the waters, and what that looks like he's being very very tight with the briefs of in very very clear 'cause you with a lot of these freelances English as a second language. So I guess it's it's about figuring out the most that you're willing to. And you're not willing to also very protective about out brand tone of voice, which means with clearly with particularly scrutiny when it comes to things like social media manager because we wanna make sure that they now got until what I would tell you when I when I start slow. I mean, being very very clear on the brief and alway- do tests before you hire someone that what that might look like he's off to do the job in the first week viewing that Darlie. And it's getting a lot eight if job in the second, and it just makes you very tight on the rain into into of performance soon. I really appreciate the show if you ever need anybody else to test out your product, you just let me know because I need your products because I don't have great legs. Thanks that. Well, that's that's the thing though. They'll give you exactly get out there. Get out there. And if you want another one another pair just joined thanks so much tell me where people can get a compound makings. Get in touch with you. You can buy pay on Capelle meeting com. K P O W M E G I N G S accommodating, come. And you can get us on matings on Instagram or bicycle thanks much. Show. This is w CPT AMA twenty will be right back. You've already upgraded your cell phone to a smart device, which let's use the internet to be more productive on the go. But what about your desk phone next TV is a smart business phone system in the cloud with a simple setup through an internet connection. You can soon have access to your office communications wherever you are. Stay seamlessly connected with clients in stay more mobile than ever before with just one low monthly cost give your business more than just a basic desk phone visit Mick Stephen's dot com or call eight hundred seven nine nine zero six hundred to learn more today next Eva, simplifying your business communications. Are you an inventor startup or small business looking to create the next million dollar product back? 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More small business radio with very moles now on W CPT, h Wendy Chicago's progressive talk days when any brick and mortar business could just have a television set up there that have anything on it and not use it as a marketing tool mex- gas credit company that combined the TV with your smartphone and social media. Adam Hurson is a CEO and co-founder up show. The consumer engagement platform that's changing the way business thinks about in venue marketing, they launched in two thousand fifteen up shows plug and play technology transform venues TV into engaging promotional experiences. They had gone from helping small businesses to now helping large brands such as hooters Buffalo Wild Wings crunch, fitness and ATI, physical therapy. And I'm welcome to the show Acura having so I love this technology because I think you're utilizing something that's already there in the venue. That's part of what? Made this plug and play is there's existing TV screens everywhere in everyone wants to catch the attention. Engage their customers more deeper so talk about how these actually works. If people not familiar with this technology. Yeah. I mean, you think about the status quo today everywhere, we go you're struck by either paper media or broadcast television in paper media as static and ignore broadcast television really doesn't and much value for a business until what we're doing is. We're sticking Google streaming media devices inside existing televisions in hospitality, fitness and health news, and we're transforming programming to a modern interactive social media based programming that brand controls and uses to entertain and engage its customer drive deeper loyalty. So when you say brand controls, it this is obviously in a lot different venues from physician's office to a bar to a retail store. How does it actually work that you can control what goes up there? The brand picks entertainment. They pick things across sports community and news and pop culture that are fed through social media like Instagram and Twitter and Facebook all the relevant channels every consumer is watching everyday, and that's very eye catching people wanna see, hyper local relevant content fed from social media everywhere, they go. So that captures the consumer's attention and then that's harmonize with the brands top marketing objectives. So you think about hospitality venue? They may wanna customer to be aware of and sign up for their loyalty program. If you think about a fitness menu. They wait may want membership referrals or people to sign up for more personal training. So you're gonna see a balance of modern and interactive entertainment with the top objectives for a brand that they want their consumer to see and do from their mobile phones. So let's go through an example, so people can visualize better. Let's say you're hooters while wings or any kind of restaurant I go into this venue. I'm going there to eat injuring. And I'm seeing something on TV. What does it look like? Yeah. So you may see some entertainment from social media about the patriots or football team in your local market matters to you. And then patriots is only in Boston because we all hate the patriots outside of Boston. Yeah. That's right. Exactly right here in Boston is the patriots in. It's probably the man's. Yeah. Exactly. And so in concert with entertainment, entertainment, you're gonna see a call to action that says, hey, are you aware of the Buffalo Wild Wings blazin rewards program. Go to be dubs dot TV on your phone right now, and you can sign up within seconds. And there may be another Hooker a carrot at the end of the stick to get the consumer to do that. And this whole science is based on the fact that you have the consumers mindshare while they're they're having fun hanging out with their friends and enjoying that experience. You've lost that mindshare once they're five minutes out the door, and every customer wants to pull out their phone and do something you just need to catch him at the right moment, so method Buffalo Wild Wings in Chicago. I'm watching something on TBS. And I'm interested where the bears signed a new kicker whose last name unbelievably as blew it. Right. And then and then they're going to post something to people already watching that. And they're interested in that they're going to post something about their program. Are they also they also show interaction with either their hashtag or their social media handles up on the. Green there or not one hundred percent social media interactivities huge. We know the people love to share their experiences everywhere, they go people even more love to see themselves on big screens and be validated by the brand or venue, which they're in. So people can share an experience on Instagram per say about their experience of Buffalo Wild Wings, or their workout at crunch, fitness. And the brand is gonna feature that content on screen, but seeming, it's appropriate and on brand guideline. So let's get a couple other examples, let's say a professional services firm like ATI physical therapy, which is very big in Chicago. What kinds of things would they use? Yeah. I mean, they're certainly gonna advocate their patients about the physical therapy journey and keep them coming back for more classes and more milestones. They may educate them about other types of therapy drugs that are available which celebrate the physical therapy process and also tune them into charitable or civic LeBron's partnerships that the brand is all about it's about driving awareness with that customer wall. They're there for that PT sessions. So when you're in a restaurant obsolete sitting down, and you make them want to your eyes wonder, maybe no they wanna talk to the person across from your their on their smartphone. Or if I'm waiting Princeton services office. I'm waiting for the professional service be provided there PT or doctor. What about when I mean, a general retail store hasn't worked there? Yeah. Retail is very different. We we don't play too much in the traditional retail space. We do however play a lot in the quick serve restaurant space where there's an intense focus on loyalty, you know, generally, those faster. Than customer environments that focuses on loyalty and awareness. So can you get the consumer to sign up for that loyalty program or share some information? It's gonna help them get and chain with loyalty programs or discounts. Keep them coming back. So let's look at how you start this. Where'd you comp with the idea because you've been able to track some pretty smart local angel investors like John full Goni and Howard Tolman bullpen on the radio show where did it all start? Yeah. We're blessed to have great advisers and investors it did all start in the beginning stages social media. I mean, we we knew we were creating a platform that it was gonna get the consumer to pull out their phone and drive. Great engagement and have them Bill Moyle to the brand. And that started with social media without Centric word of mouth referrals. Let's help the consumer engage. You consumer with fun tool where they can share on social media and see themselves, but at the same time, Dr word of mouth referral that's meaningful for the business that drives more people in the front door. And then we realized that there's more things consumer. Will do and what to do on their mobile phone all their mind shares with the brand we can get them to share more information about them. Sign up for contests and coupons. Get them to sign up for a loyalty program play trivia game. That drives them to stay longer and spend more, and we realize more and more that we're building an engagement platform to meet the consumer on the small screen in their hand. And then measure, the value that drives for the brand, and how does the pricing work four small business owner or the chain. So it's a software as a service subscription based business. So our costumer is gonna pay a monthly fee ranges anywhere from seventy five to two hundred fifty dollars a month heading on their tier of of packaging, and that's the pricing structure. And so talk about where you really visualize this business Adam going in the future. What's the next step? I mean, US alone. We see many millions of locations across hospitality, fitness and health care and how the captive environment. But maybe stuck on old media channels like paid paper and broadcast TV. And we really wanna rather Lucien is that engagement platform and drivers Alterra partners. So, you know, we see, you know, anywhere from three five percent of that two to three million location opportunity where helping brands transform their in their new engagement marketing experience, and we're building a really large recurring revenue business that helps our partners grow. And I think the key word here is what you just said. It's a recurring revenue business. And that's really the dream of moves entrepreneurs. Right. It goes up up all the time. So if people want more information about your success, Adam where can people get in touch with you? Yeah. That's simple. Just visit us on the web at up show. Dow TV, and we have services for small businesses and large enterprise brands like and. And you can get more information on our website and the perfect fit for the targeted small business owner is the person who is either in some kind of food oriented business like quick food or into business or professional services. Yeah, I would say anywhere across hospitality. Which would be, you know, food bar QSR, even hotel and then fitness and health facilities as well. You may see us in your local HEI physical therapy. You may see us in your doctor's office for anchoring and get to learn more about your prescription program or how to log into your member portal or sign up for vaccines so hospital, fitness and health. 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Fred Rogers was born - March 20, 1928

This Day in History Class

08:09 min | 1 year ago

Fred Rogers was born - March 20, 1928

"This is April and Cassidy, we're the host of the podcast dressed the history of fashion and this season, we traveled throughout history and around the world to bring you more of the fascinating stories from behind the clothes. We wear we traveled a central Asia tiller all about the resist dyeing technique known as e Kat and to Paris to learn all about the legacy of Christian Dior. We also spoil the history of a whole host of topics from plus size fashion. The clothing choices of colts listening to subscribe on apple podcasts or the iheartradio app or wherever else you get your podcast. Welcome back to this day in history class where we reveal a new piece of history every day. Today is March twentieth. Twenty nineteen. The day was March twentieth. Nineteen twenty eight Fred mcfeely. Rogers was born in Latrobe console Vania. He would go on to become a minister composer producer and writer, but Rogers was best known as the saw spoken neighborly host of the children's television show mister Rogers neighborhood, his work on the show, and as an advocate for educational television. Would earn him a presidential medal of freedom a Peabody award and spot in the television hall of fame. Fred's mother Nancy Rogers did hospital. Volunteer work his father James was president of the mcfeely brick company. Fred liked Latrobe, and he would later based his television neighborhood on the city. But as a child he was introverted isolated and teased for being overweight. His asthma was so severe that. He was often stuck inside the house. But by the time he got to high school. He was more outgoing after graduating he attended Dartmouth College for a bit then transferred to Rollins college in Winter Park, Florida where he got his bachelor's degree in music composition in nineteen fifty one. When he graduated. He started working at NBC in New York as an assistant producer, then as a floor director in nineteen fifty two he married his wife, JoAnne bird, and in nineteen fifty three he headed back to Pennsylvania to work as a program developer for the public television station W E B in Pittsburgh. It was there that he started producing the children's corner alive daily hour long program on which he worked as a puppeteer organist and composer the puppet characters that he created for this show like king Friday Henrietta and Daniel the striped tiger with live on in his later work. While at W Q E D badgers, graduated from the Pittsburgh, theological seminary and was ordained. As a Presbyterian minister. He also attended the university of Pittsburgh's graduate school of child development, where he began working with towel psychologists Margaret McFarland, which turned into a lifelong friendship and professional relationship. But his first foray in front of the camera came in one thousand nine hundred sixty three when he developed a children's program called Mr. Rogers for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation in Toronto and took the helm as host. Rogers took the fifteen minutes show with him when he went back to W E D in nineteen sixty six where the show became mister Rogers neighborhood. A couple of years later national education television began distributing the show nationally and finally in nineteen seventy it reached its final form as mister Rogers neighborhood on PBS where it ran for more than nine hundred episodes. The show was pretty simple. It was a half hour children's program aimed at preschool ages that feature Rogers as the kind warm host with two main locations mister Rogers house and the neighborhood of make believe he would have conversations with viewers take field trips and demonstrate how objects work the show wasn't as flashy or fast paced as other children's programs began becoming over the years. It was on air, and it taught children lessons about fear. Anger, death, divorce empathy and even heavy social issues like war and racism. The show grew a huge and enthusiastic fan base before it ended in two thousand one. There were instances behind the scenes where Rogers seem to lean poured controlling like the time he wanted to reshoot because popcorn spilled over and could scare the kids watching, but authenticity and honesty were character traits that he spoke highly of he wants told Newsweek one of the greatest gifts, you can give anybody is the gift of your honest, self. I also believe that kids can spot a phony a mile away. Rogers was a Republican and a Christian, but he never really talked about his religious or political views on air. However, he was vocal about the value of social and emotional education for kids. He wants said the following anything that we can do to help foster the intellect and spirit and emotional growth of our fellow human beings. That is our job. Those of us who have this particular vision must continue against all odds. Life is for service. So his dedication to children's education extended beyond mister Rogers neighborhood and the television screen in nineteen sixty nine he testified before the US Senate subcommittee on communications in support of quality children's television and funding for P B S and the corporation for public broadcasting after the hearing PBS did get a lot of additional federal money. And after nine eleven Rogers put out PS as on how parents can talk about tragedies with their children. For short time Rogers, hosted an interview show for adults on PBS, and he wrote hundreds of songs and wrote many books for children and adults, but the name Mr. Rogers is synonymous with children's television, his marriage of personal values with academic integrity left, a significant impression on educational media and American culture. I'm Jeff coat, and hopefully, you know, a little more about history today than you did yesterday. And if you're interested in learning more about Fred Rogers life, and everything that he was into you should take out the documentary won't you be my neighbor that came out in two thousand eighteen but be prepared because it is a tear Jerker and a huge heart warmer. If there's something that I missed an episode. You can share it with everybody else on Twitter, Instagram or Facebook at t d I h z podcast. Thanks again for listening, and I hope you come back tomorrow for more delicious morsels of history. My name is Danny Shapiro. 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Feb 27, 2020

Sword and Scale Daily

13:28 min | 5 months ago

Feb 27, 2020

"Hello and welcome back to sort n scale daily. I'm your host Ryan Williams. It's Thursday February twenty seventh coming up on sort unskilled daily. A Florida woman was arrested on suspicion of murder after allegedly leaving her boyfriend trapped suitcase for hours in Mississippi. Five teams have been charged with capital murder in connection with the death of sixteen year old Madison Harris. Finally Massachusetts a father was sentenced to sixteen to twenty years for attempting to murder several daughter by injecting drain cleaner into her intestines. All this and more coming up on sword and scaled daily W. F. TV news nine reports that forty two year old Sarah Boone of winter park. Florida was arrested on Tuesday on suspicion of second degree murder of her boyfriend. Forty two year old horry Torres Junior. Investigators allege the Boone Zip towards inside a suitcase and left them trump for hours until he died at approximately one PM on Monday. Boone called nine one one to report. The Torres was deceased. When deputies responded boon explained the death as a Drunken Accident Boon claimed that she and Torres had been drinking and decided to play a game of hide and seek when Torres climbed into the suitcase and she's zipped shut as a joke then. She passed out for several hours forgetting to let him out according to Boon she woke at eleven. Am to the sound of her cell phone ringing. When she couldn't find tours in the residence she recalled that he may have still been in the suitcase. She looked and found him inside unresponsive and not breathing. Ems who responded to the scene pronounce towards dead deputies notice small injuries towards his face. That seemed inconsistent with Boone's account of events. There was a small rations to his mouth and some swelling around one eye. Boone surrendered her phone for deputies to search on the phone. They discovered two videos which allegedly show part of the incident in the first video. Taurus is reportedly seen crying out boone's name repeatedly while trapped inside the suitcase. She responds quote for everything you've done to me. Fu the exchange continued with Torres. Saying I can't breathe seriously twitch boone responds. Yeah that's what you do to me when you choke me. Oh that's what it feels like. When you cheat on me you should probably shut the F. up towards can reportedly be seen pushing on the suitcase from the inside as if he was trying to escape. The second video shows the suitcase in a different position. The recordings which have not been released to the public were considered sufficient evidence to rest boon for second degree murder. She was taken into custody on Tuesday and appeared in court on Wednesday our next story breezes to Mississippi W. L. O. X. News reports that five teens have been charged with the murder of sixteen year old Harris. Who was shot to death in her home in Biloxi on Monday? The teens ages fifteen to seventeen were charged with capital murder and will be tried as adults. According to the Biloxi Police Department Harris was shot during a robbery attempt inside the home she shared with her father. Grandmother and her grandmother's fiance James Waldeck. The suspects are fifteen year old. Jasmine Kelly seventeen-year-old Jarvis cook seventeen year old. Jock has porter and sisters seventeen year old kisha black men and fifteen year old willow. Blackman police say they used a gun to try and Rob Madison and shot her. After an altercation broke out after the shooting the suspects fled in all different directions. Police searched the neighborhood and all five or taken into custody on Monday afternoon. You quiche willow. Black men were arrested at a house located across the street from Madison's House Madison Harris's relatives reject the police's theory. That Madison was shot in a robbery. Gone Wrong James Waldwick the grandmothers fiancee told W LX. He believed the attack was planned won't exceed. He came to this conclusion after examining his doorbell camera footage from Monday. The camera is installed on the rush door. Wallich stated the in the recording quote Madison. Was there her very good friend. Paul and her dad was in the back yard raking leaves. One girl came in. I saw ring doorbell about a half hour before and then according to my ring doorbell four of them charge into an unlocked door here in the carport and within a matter of ten seconds to shooting in the screaming and then running out the door being chased by Paul her friend and her Dad Waldeck told the outlet he knew some of the suspects quote. They were in her house. I thought his friends a number of different times. They just live two or three doors down and across the street. According to Waldeck the motivation for Monday's attack was not robbery but retaliation. The Harris family believes that at least some of the suspects were responsible for breaking other house. Two weeks ago quote. Of course the police were called and we were pressing charges against that first crime. And we're afraid that this may have been retaliation against us for reporting there crying premeditation definitely because the video of the doorbell last fifteen or thirty seconds for them to come in shoot. You're screaming and then everyone running out the door. Bail for four of the five teams has been set at one million dollars. Jarvis Cook was denied. Bail because at the time of the alleged attack. He was already free on bail on an assault charge after the break. A Massachusetts father since the sixteen to twenty years for injecting drain cleaner into a seven year old daughters intestines off now for our final story of the day. The Daily Hampshire Gazette reports that thirty-seven-year-old Christopher Conley was sentenced on Monday to between sixteen and eighteen years in prison for medically abusing his daughter. This follows his conviction on Friday on charges of attempted murder assault and battery on a child by means of a dangerous weapon and assault and battery child causing substantial physical injury. His former wife. Julie Conley is also charged with abusing the child and faces four counts of assault and battery on a child causing substantial bodily injury. She's pled not guilty and her case is scheduled to go to trial on March ninth. The jury found that on April Fifteenth. Two Thousand Fifteen call me injected drain cleaner into a seven year old daughters intestines and then overdosed on painkillers. The corrosive fluid caused extensive damage to the child's inner organs in a series of surgeries. Doctors had to remove two thirds of her small intestines and one third of her bladder. She was hospitalized until February. Two Thousand Sixteen the Child Now. Twelve has since been adopted at trial. Her adoptive mother testified that she still suffers from health problems. As a result of the assault as Mass Live reported in two thousand sixteen. This was a case of suspected medical abuse or Munchausen by proxy. According to the prosecutors. Both parents were involved in medical abuse. And in interactions with doctors quote. Both parents either did not mention previous medical treatments and are tests. Done and misrepresented minimized or exaggerated medical testing results. The commies claimed that their daughter was born with Monaco drill disease and other genetic conditions which required frequent medical interventions medical staff. I alerted to the couple as possible. Abusers in two thousand nine. The child was temporarily removed from their custody. During which period offers symptoms went away but in two thousand eleven she was returned to her biological parents. On April Fifteenth. Two Thousand Fifteen. The colonies daughter was hospitalized and had US economy tube used to flush the intestines installed to treat constipation during the day. Performer injected liquid plumber. Interest cost me tube causing serious damage to internal organs. Both parents were suspected. In the April Fifteenth Assault Christopher was ultimately charged with attempted murder. Because in May two thousand fifteen he confessed the poisoning his daughter in a police interview in three hour long confession which was played for the jury at trial. Christopher admitted to injecting the liquid plumber into this economy tube and then giving his daughter in overdose of painkillers he claimed he did so to enter suffering. Because we're congenital. Health problems made her life unbearable at trial. Call to the stand and recanted the confession. The defense argued that doctors misidentified the damage to the child intestines. As a result of corrosive burns when in fact it was caused by insufficient blood flow due to clogging. The jury deliberated for a day before finding Conley guilty. The judge denied the defense's request for a sentence of seven and a half years saying the case warranted quote addressed upward departure from Massachusetts sentencing guidelines. He was therefore since the sixteen eighteen years with credit for two and a half years spit in custody pending trial before we go. We have a couple of updates on cases we've been following Salvator Nello who is charged with negligent homicide in connection with the death of his granddaughter. Eighteen month old khloe wagon has changed his plea from not guilty to guilty. Khloe died in July and a fall from an open window on board the Freedom of the seas cruise ship while it was docked in Puerto Rico. She'd been on a family vacation with her. Parents paternal grandparents maternal grandmother and Salvatore the exact circumstances of clothes fall for now the subject of legal debate. According to Puerto Rico prosecutors salvator picked chloe up set an open window which was about eleven floors high and the lost his balance dropping her out the window but close family has filed a wrongful death suit against the cruise operator Royal Caribbean. There soup claims that Khloe wandered off to the windows and as Salvator to pick her up so she could on the windows. He held her up to window. He did not realize was open and she leaned forward and fell. They claim the cruise line was negligent because the windows could be opened and there are no warning signs near them. The family's lawyer Michael Winkelmann give the following statement to CNN quote. This decision wasn't incredibly difficult. One for Salvator in the family but because the plea agreement includes no jail time and no admission effects it was decided to be in the best interest of the family. This change of plea doesn't have any impact on the lawsuit against Royal Caribbean. We still maintain. This was a tragic preventable accident. That never would have occurred. If Real Caribbean followed the industry standard. Our second update has to do with missing Tennessee. Evelyn Boswell Bosmo was last seen in December but was only reported missing last week. She's been the subject of an amber alert since February nineteenth W. J. H. L. Channel Eleven reports that Evelyn's mother Megan. Boswell was arrested on Tuesday for filing a false report court documents submitted at her hearing on Wednesday show police believe she's been giving them false information on Evelyn's whereabouts initially claiming. The child was with her father. Ethan Perry who was on active duty in Louisiana. Then she allegedly told investigators that her mother. Angela Boswell who babysits Evelyn? While Megan is at work kidnapped and took her to a campground in Mendota Virginia. Megan repeated very similar story in interview with Channel Eleven Angela Basel and her boyfriend William Macleod. Were arrested last week in North Carolina on unrelated charges and return to Tennessee. The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation stated they are quote believed to have information on the girls whereabouts on Wednesday afternoon Sullivan County. Sheriff Jeff Cassidy confirmed that the search for Evelyn is currently focused on a pond in North Carolina. That's it for today's episode of sort skilled daily. We'll see back here tomorrow and until then stay safe. Sort and scale daily is an incongruity media production. Your host was Ryan Williams Research and writing by Hagar executive producer. Mike vide if you like the show subscribing leave us a review if you have any feedback or suggestions use the email address daily at sorting scale of DOT com.

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Patreon Bonus: The Florida Project (2017)

Classic Movie Musts

23:43 min | 2 months ago

Patreon Bonus: The Florida Project (2017)

"Hey there listeners of classic movie must I'm your host Max Baril and we're coming at you on a Tuesday again. Which means that. This episode comes to you from our Patriot on archive. This is an episode of classic movie. Must Double feature that. I wanted to release to all of you on our free feed. Obviously we can all still use some extra content to listen to and I hope you enjoy this episode on the Florida Project. If you didn't already know classic movie must double feature is our weekly supplemental. That is exclusive on Patriot. On where every week? We discussed more recent movies that I think are destined to be thought of as classics so for just one dollar a month over there on Patriot. You can get this weekly show. You also get our monthly show. Max's movie must which is all about top five lists for all sorts of listener supplied topics. So you head right over to Patriot Dot com slash classic movie mosques. 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Now I hope you enjoy our episode on the Florida Project. I'm Max Baril. This classic movie must double feature where every week we break down a more recent film destined to go down in the film books as a classic. This is the supplemental show to classic movie. Must so thank you so much for your support on Patriot on. I hope you're enjoying this show as well as our other Patriot on benefits. Your support makes a tremendous difference. So thank you so much this week. We are talking about the Florida project in this episode in our feature presentation. We'll be talking about everything from performances to perspective to cinematography and then our buzz from the back lot segment. We'll be talking about the real life location. Where the movie was filmed but first. Let's get into this week's opening credits. Our film this week is the Florida project which was directed by Sean Baker and was released in two thousand seventeen. The Florida Projects Stars Brooklyn Prince. Brevin Knight and William Defoe six-year-old Mooney played by Brooklyn. Prince lives with her young mother. Haley played by Brevin nate in the Magic Castle. A Motel in Kissimmee Florida near Walt Disney world. She spends most of her summer days supervised with her motel resident friends. Scooter and dickey engaging in mischief bobby played by Willem Defoe. The manager of the Magic Castle is protective of the Children. And after the kids caught spitting on guests car at future. Land the motel next door. Dickie's father restricts him from playing with Mooney and scooter for a week. While cleaning up the car they get to know its owner stacey and her granddaughter Jhansi who are living at Future Land Jesse Mooney become quick friends. Haley loses her job as an exotic dancer which affects her ability to receive certain benefits. She explains to the benefits officer that she was fired after refusing to have sex with clients at the Strip club but it is not seen as an extenuating circumstance unable to get a job at a diner and struggling to pay rent. Haley hawks perfume tourists in hotel. Parking lots since the children are on summer vacation. They also babysit scooby. During the day in exchange for meals from scooters mother Ashley who steals them from the diner that she works at Haley does not keep watchful eye on the children even after a scolding from bobby despite his many tasks Bobbie tries to monitor the kids but their mischief grows increasingly dangerous. They break into the room with the motels electrical equipment causing a blackout also catches beats and ejects a pedophile. Talking to the kids in the motel parking lot when the kids inadvertently burned down an abandoned condominium complex all trying to use the fireplace Ashley finds out and cuts contact and meals off from Haley and Muni needing money for food and motel bills. Haley begins soliciting sex work online closing Mooney in the bathroom with loud music when she has a client when she steals a client's disagree resort passes to scalp them. The man returns to demand the back. Bobby scares him off but applies restrictions on unregistered guests in her motel room and warns Haley that he will victor. If the prostitution continues desperate Haley Approaches Ashley to apologize and ask for money. When Ashley Criticizes Her Sex Work Haley and beats in front of Scutari? The next day the Florida Department of Children and Families Arise to investigate Haley. She cleans up the room and gives away her. We'd but remains defiant. She takes Mooney to a resort hotel restaurant where they charge the meal to a guest room when they returned to the motel the Department of Children and families and the police are waiting to take Mooney into foster care pending investigation. Mooney says goodbye to Scotty and runs away to find Jessie who? After seeing moonies shocking despair takes her hand to run away to the Magic Kingdom theme park of Walt Disney World. The Florida project had a budget of two million dollars and then brought in about eleven point. Three million at the box office. The Florida project was nominated for one Academy Award for best supporting actor for Willem Dafoe. Now my doctor says I have asthma an lots of ice cream and it's time for our feature presentation. Sean Bakers gobsmacked funny vivid and moving drama is set on the impoverished fringes of Orlando's Walt Disney world. The first thing we see is too young children. A boy and a girl sitting on an outdoor floor against a wall their clothes and the colors along with the light. Identify the scene as Florida. Just in case you didn't know the title of the film. The girl is kicking her leg impatiently as if sitting still is something she can barely stand to do. Her name is Mooney and she doesn't sit still throughout the Florida project. The Florida project is a song of innocence and of experience but mainly the former. It is a glorious film in which warmth and compassion win out over miserable. Ism or irony painted in bright blocks of sunlit color like a child's storybook and often happening in those electrically charged magic our urban sunsets. The drama is set in a budget motel in Kissimmee Florida. Just off the grimly named seven dwarfs lane in the shadow of Walt Disneyworld. One of many long stay welfare places for transients and mortgage defaulters. These places are very much in Disney. Speak off property. They are not part of the magic kingdom which is only glimpsed at the horizon and subliminally in things like a sign showing a large circle with two smaller circles above Mickey Mouse Reduced to eight corporate essence. Only at the very end of the film we enter the DISNEYWORLD precincts a sequence. Apparently shot in secret but for the little kids who live there. This rundown place looks weirdly like a paradise a place where one summer they enjoy pure magical freedom running around its walkways and stairwells and far afield into Florida's unofficial countryside. These kids do something. That is a distant memory for most of us they roam just the way children were supposed to in some former age. They wander from dawn to dusk and they just have fun. Of course we responsible adults in the audience know that this stuff is bad for them. We know all kinds of things that Mooney doesn't know like frankly how awful her mother is. Haley appears to be in her mid twenties and that Mooney has a father is something we only surmise from our knowledge of biology. She's little better than a child herself really a playmate for her daughter. The best that can be said for her is that she has some standards. She lost her job as a stripper because she baulked at back room work and she doesn't do hard drugs but she is clearly not coming to a good end. There is an adult narrative thread running through the Florida project. A narrative of disillusion and suppressed fear. But it comes encased. In the children's heedless directionless world of fun the Exasperated Hotel Manager. Bobby Asks Mooney. What exactly. She's playing and she replies. We're just playing. It's an open ended amorphous form hanging out. It is a wonderful time for them and Baker brilliantly persuades you that Mooney is the one in the real eden not the dull tourists shuffling around in Disney world but then they break into some abandoned houses and things go wrong for the children and then the adults this may well sound like depressing stuff and update of Louis Wells shocking los overdose which it occasionally resembles but working in very taste style. Baker captures the blissful ignorance of childhood. The wonder of exploration and discovery and the trouble. That isn't nearly as bad as the monsters lurking. In wait the film unfolds in short episodes quickly paste. Not Unlike child's attention span. That might explain how Baker gets such commanding performances from his performers all newcomers or non-professionals with the exception of Willem. Defoe as the hotel's manager it was easily one of the best films of two thousand. Seventeen as director editor and CO writer. Sean Baker creates a story. That is utterly absorbing and moves with. Its own easy. Ambient swing it is superbly shot by cinematographer Alexander Bay. Baker has the gift of seeing things from a child's view and there is a kind of genius in that Baker's six feature film builds on all of his work up until this point. We see tourists buying knockoff goods. Just as they did in his film the Prince of Broadway and we see family guys flocking to stigmatize sex workers like his film Tangerine. That movie famously was filmed using an iphone five. The Florida project though shot almost entirely with thirty five millimeter cameras closes with a sequence taken on an iphone six plus. This payoff is smarter than any GIZMO. The visuals shift ragged texture and hyper saturated colors signals that we're watching a fantasy and what we see iconic images but with a twist makes a thousand light bulbs in our head explode. Baker lays out his film as sort of procedural light on conventional plotting paradoxically heavy on the glancing disarming incident. He tells us this story. From moonies point of view we run in the Florida sunshine with her seeing the motel and its surroundings as her grubby but inviting playground finding the wonder in a cream colored sunset at a magical night of fireworks. Baker always keeps Mooney at the center of his story as though he's transfixed by Brooklyn Princess Astonishing Performance and absolute firecracker of charisma and kinetic prince has a better grasp of her character then most experienced grownups. Do in big budget blockbusters moonies youthful transgressions feel entirely natural and at times joyful. Baker wants viewers to Exalt in the fun of her days even as he's continually reminding us of how heroin things are for families like hers for an hour or so. You don't really know where the Florida project is going. You're more than willing however to follow the short sharp chapters of Mooney summer and see where it's all headed. The script is shaped like a funnel. Though in later scenes Baker narrows the focus to Haley and Mooney's imperilled imperilling but hardly joyless existence fantasy and reality mingle everywhere here note the street sign pointing towards seven dwarves lane and the way a grandmother asks her children. Do you want to play with the kids from the Purple Palace? There's even a kind of Guardian at the gates. Bobby Willem Defoe. Who plays the role with beautiful subtlety? The hardworking hotel manager keeps a watchful eye out for Mooney and her friends. Even when you can see he'd like to Swat them away like flies. These are stories about marginalized lives. That often don't get put up on screen but Baker's greatest worth as a filmmaker comes not from his interest in representation but from his understanding that he's making movies about people not poverty. That's certainly the case with the Florida project. Which doesn't pretty up. Its characters frequently miserable Straits in any way but it's never miserabilist either Mooney and Haley have good days and bad ones mostly good for Mooney. It is summer vacation after all and starting to tend toward the bad for Haley. Who COMES OFF? A recent stint in prison has lost her job at a strip club for refusing to do extras in the back room and is struggling to find another gig. Since she's not working. Haley watches over Mooney. And Scooby another magic castle kid whose mom Ashley is for Awhile. A friend who works in a nearby diner and sneaks out food for free but Haley generally ops to lounge unconcerned in front of the TV while the kids roam free. Baker cast the nate off of instagram and in her first role with her cats and her brightly dyed hair. She's as magnetic figure as she is an alarming one her character as prone to acts of reckless destruction and wild outrage as she is to ones of Boisterous Joy. The film is startlingly. Good at showing. Echoes of Haley's impulsive behavior in Mooney. Or maybe it's vice versa. While Haley has to reckon with some depressingly grownup developments she still half a kid herself. The nate is gripping she's a Loosey Goosey natural and so is Prince. This film has the best child acting. I have seen in years in its humor. And it's unforced and almost miraculous naturalism. It reminded me of British examples. Like chess or Brian. Forbes's whistle down the wind Steven Spielberg once. Said if you over rehearse kids you risk a bad case of the. It's but these kids don't look cute or over rehearsed or frankly rehearsed at all. They look as if everything they do. And every word that comes out of their mouth is unscripted and real yet. What they do has the intelligence and artistry of acting Casting non-professionals alongside. A listers doesn't always work out but Willem Defoe looks as raw as the rest. In his own grownup role. Dafoe gives a performance of quiet. Excellence and integrity. Bobby is the property manager and something of a father figure who looks over everybody at the Magic Castle. It's his job to keep the place running and he'll extend a bit of leniency on rent but he's not there to give anyone a handout. It's a role that could be played as an overly soft caretaker type or as a tough as nails nosed authoritarian but Baker and Defillo find the right balance of realism and heart to make him human with out him turning into a saint or villain. He's just a guy looking to get by like everyone else. The beauty of the Florida project is how Baker uses a cast of mostly inexperienced actors. To tell a story that feels completely and real. You feel as if you've slipped inside of Mooney's enchanted world while at the same time seeing the harsh reality of Haley's that contrast is devastating right up to a final sequence. That's sure to break your heart into. There's no fairy godmother ready to save this mother daughter duo just dreams of somewhere a happier place. The subject matter may be sorted and sad but the tone is generally upbeat reflecting the little girls. Cheery naive outlook. This also conveys with remarkable vividness. A small child's sense of time Baker places no dramatic emphasis on any individual seen. Granting a sense of wide eyed wonder to major and minor injuries alike the camera if especially respectful towards the children refuses to demonize any of the characters. It's not even snooty about the magic castle itself. Which as it happens is a real place Sean. Baker has created something miraculous. Here a heartbreaking and beautiful Ode to Childhood and the unflappable resilience of Youth Bakers Compassion for his characters shines illuminates their lives. Even as we watch them fumbled down of darkness he's able to capture the essence of Florida. And it's trashy magnificence well as the transient nature of life. Mir Footsteps outside the most magical place on earth the film packs and Emotional Wallop without wallowing in sentimentality. And it never cheapens itself right up through. Its transcendent finale. It's one of the most effective honest portrait of childhood. You'll ever see and touching poignant snapshot of American Life in two thousand seventeen. It's frankly more than just magical. It's majestic now. It's time for our buzz from the back. Lot Segment. And let's start with the location in a two thousand seventeen BBC radio interview director. Sean Baker clarified that the film's Garish Motel. Settings are genuine motels. They continued operating as working businesses during filming and some real life residents and staff are seen in the film. The frequent flying of helicopters overhead was written into the script because the production did not have the budget to stop the helicopters from flying and before filming began Willem. Dafoe spent a week living in the area. In order to immerse himself in the life of the characters and mastered the nuances of the regional dialect producers had originally wanted a major star for the role of Haley. And they had consider Britney spears and Miley Cyrus but Sean Baker felt it would be inauthentic to have a millionaire playing the part. Christopher Rivera. Who Plays Scotty was an eight year. Old Living with his mother at the Paradise Inn Motel in Kissimmee Florida. When cast and crew members spotted. He was able to earn enough money on the film for his family to move out of the motel and into an apartment after the film came out. Rivera was offered a full scholarship to rollins college. A private four year college in Winter Park Florida and ongoing support for his education to prepare him for college the Rainbow that appears at one point over the Magic Castle hotel was originally going to be gye. Then as an actual rainbow showed up the film crew spontaneously decided to shoot the real thing partly due to budget considerations Baker said that if he shot the real rainbow he'd save fifty grand on the budget much. Christopher Rivera discovered at a motel nearby. The young actress Valeria. Koto who plays Jhansi was discovered at a target by Sean Baker himself while the majority of the film was shot on thirty five millimeter film director. Sean Baker admitted to returning to his guerrilla filmmaking style to capture the final scene which was instead shot on an iphone and contains footage from inside Walt Disneyworld filmed without the parks knowledge or consent and finally despite the obvious connotations of tidal the Florida project was in fact an early development name for Disneyworld itself. That concludes our episode on the floor to project. I'd love to hear what you think of this classic movie must by all means you can always email me. A classic movie must gmail.com Tweeden. The movie musk's pod or DM me on Patriots on. Thank you so much for your support on Patriot. And thank you to our patriach producers. Eleanor B Max. Anri Pedro Ryan and Jonathan. They all so much for your generous patronage on next week's episode of double feature we are talking about the for vendetta remember episodes. Release every Tuesday on the podcast service of your choosing. Thank you so much for listening until the next episode. 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Voice Technology Applications with Dr. David Metcalf of METIL

Voice First Health

27:29 min | 1 year ago

Voice Technology Applications with Dr. David Metcalf of METIL

"Yeah. Dr Terry Fisher, a physician and foist technology futures voice vers technology is rapidly becoming the operating system of our lives. And it will completely revolutionized the way we experience healthcare. Let's talk voice. Hello, and welcome to this week's episode of voice. I health, boy do I have a treat view today today. I am joined by Dr David Metcalfe, who is the director of the mixed emerging technology degration labs mouthful, but you can just say metal AL at the university of central Florida, and he has a lab where they are experimenting developing researching emerging technologies in healthcare, everything, of course, from voice, but also to blockchain and we discuss a whole bunch of his projects here on the podcast. He is an author, and he actually talks about his recently released book in blockchain, and he ties that into gather to talk about how blockchain. Could be the back end to the front end of voice when it comes to making some real changes, and providing the best possible health care for our patients and for our society. So I think you're really going to enjoy this podcast episode and without any further ado. Let's get right into it. I wanna welcome Dr David Metcalfe onto the voice, I health podcast. Hey, David, it is a real pleasure to have you on the podcast. Thanks so much for taking some time to, to join in the listeners Terry, thanks. It's great to be here with you. Let's start off with learning a little bit about you. I've had the opportunity to meet a couple of times, various conferences, and your fascinating guy. Lots of great stuff going on to listeners a little about yourself. Yeah. Well, I run a research lab at the university of central Florida. It's a technology development lab, and it's at the institute for simulation and training. The specific name is called the mixed emerging technology in Gration lab or medal for short Seattle. So we get to get involved in a lot of different emerging technology projects. That's a lot of fun. A lot of things within the internet of things space, and particularly I might make some of the interfaces for the public easier, like using Boyce. How did you get into that? How did you decide to create such a lab? Well, I always wanted to have a lab like that. And I did for a while at NASA to had the multimedia lab at Kennedy Space Center, there was modeled after some of the labs that I really admired, like, MIT's, media lab, and nickel, stegar, Pontic him visited and really gave me some good tips and thought, maybe we should do the same thing at UCF within that context of emerging technology. So after I spent a few years out in the corporate arena after spinning off my NASA laboratory, I was able to come back Damien and to try and help other young people. Do what I did life early into create spinoffs and understand how to take some of this emerging technology and bring it out from the public sector to the private sector. Great great. And I know you've had a lot of success lot of great projects. That kind of the lab, now he said, we're talking about voice, and how voice is going to revolutionize healthcare. And I'm sure I think you've got some similar thoughts. Can you tell us a little about your thoughts in general about voice in why this is? Compelling area at this time. Well over so many projects with so many new capabilities of the smart speaker, movement, and the ability to have voice capabilities integrated into so many of the devices that surround us within the internet of things landscape. It's just a no brainer. That this is going to make people's lives easier and be a more natural interface than some of the things we've asked people to do in the past with keyboards and mice, and other technologies, even some of the some of the wearables, and some of the phones are not as ease of use as you can use your natural wuss now, absolutely voices, far, as far as I'm concerned, I know a lot of the people voices, just like you said, most natural way that we can communicate so it only seems natural. That's, that's the way the world is going here. Now you're deeply involved with voice technology in your lab at love to have you share some of the some of the projects that you are working on and highlights. Some of those for our listeners. Yes. Sure. Well, voice technology experience goes way back to almost the interactive voice response days, using some of this technology with Microsoft's sales force to go and build out their whole learning capability suggests say whatever product you wanted to hear about over the telephone, and it would re give you back the information that you wanted to natural language, and we've expanded upon that over the years to as new technologies like Alexa, has come on board and Siri and Cortana so that we have the ability to go in and build these different to tool sets and apply. The noon unique ways some of the ways we've been able to apply them, as in some of the most advanced intelligent homes for health across the, the world, particularly some of those here in Florida, that we've helped build like the lake Nona medical city has their wit their wellness home built on innovation technology or with. It for short. And we all the Alexa integration worked for that home to go to the home and ask any question over the air, and it will tell you about why they are blue lights for intimate crow Beal or to tell you about the medical devices of the Telehealth devices that are found throughout the home and give you sort of concierge based guided tour of the different health features of this UD comb, as well as to control some of the things like the lighting or like some of the ambient temperature or other environmental health controls that you might have throughout the home and home automation, features we've had won the feature that we built in our lab that allows you to also control intelligent vehicles, too. So you could have kinda full autonomous control and interactive control of some of the different features for health or for home automation throughout the those types of environments. Wow. That's fascinating. That's really neat. So you can the whole. Home is, is essentially set up for for having this voice concierge. Yeah, we did this with a number of really interesting companies to of course, we had baseline technology from companies like Cisco and GE and then also some of the overlay of some of the health data from Florida blue and guide. Well, their parent company are Blue Cross Blue shield here in Florida and also Johnson, Johnson and Ford hospital, the time now advent health have all participated in this, along with a number of other specialized groups like the sleep labs, and others to, and this is all done for the lake known institute to which is a nonprofit that is trying to advance some of the state of the art museum we've also been able to do this other communities like in north of Tampa in connected city to with a long with Florida hospital or now advantage and Phillips, too. So combining somebody's technologies has been really fun and interesting, too, because you get the different ecosystems that use the different. Standards based protocols that emerging like Hugh, the network from Phillips and some the other capabilities. So that's been really fun to get to explore. Not just one multiples of these intelligent homes, including the one at hymns that we do have year skull, the home, founded the intelligent health pavilion with a Harry Pappas, and other people that we know. Well, so that's been a lot of fun over the years to to get to do a road show like tour of some of these advanced technologies. How voices is enabling to? And how do you think that type of scenario these homes is going to play out in the general public? You think this is the way our homes are going or where where's the value as we go forward for the general public in this? Yeah. Well, I think that it doesn't require having a, a very expensive. Intelligent home as a showcase to be able to take this technology. Some of these smart speakers are as low as twenty five to fifty dollars. So they are I think you've had the stats before, too, that they're the fastest growing market right now to even faster that smartphones for technology enablement. So if you're looking at this, it doesn't have to cost the millions of dollars some of this capabilities, even into the smartphones so that you don't have to buy some new unique device. These are things that if you teach people just a few things about the capabilities or free apps that are out there, too, like whether d to be able to ask questions, just over the air and not have to do a complex search or to be able to go in and use health tap to get specific answers to questions. Those are some of the examples of easy to use tools that don't cost. And that should be available to everyone. Very democratized and not something that is just for having an expensive home. That's great. Yeah. I agree. I think restoring to see that particularly with some of the elderly population as related to earlier with easier for them to speak than have to have to use a device or keyboard, or that sort of thing. So agree. I think we're going to be seeing a lot of this more and more as as the months in the years go by here. You've got other projects as well that you've been involved with your lab. Can you tell us a little bit about those? Yeah. Sure. So some of the projects have been involved in have not just been in the home, but also in a clinical setting too. So we had the privilege of working with some really smart doctors in the cancer. Word of Orlando health. It's the Orlando health US cancer center, university of Florida cancer center. And they had this idea to put in place, a social companion robot that would be able to converse with an answer questions for some of the people coming into the waiting room and into the exam rooms at their word of the of the hospital. So the main use case for this was looking at some of the social history and having a cute little engaging robot both a physical one that was three D printed by one of our sister laboratories and also a virtual in which was sort of, like a hologram of the robot. That you could interact with my voice, so you could say hi Betty, and Betty would start talking to you. And maybe tell you a little joke and ask if you'd like to get some of your forms filled out advanced and ask you a few questions or guide you into the visual interface of the electric, health record, whichever was most convenient for you. So after some study, they saw some of the benefits of using this social companion robot in terms of people feeling we're comfortable answering, let's frankly, some delicate questions about past drug use, or sexual history or some of those types of things, there's been years of study showing the people more comfortable telling either machine, or in this case, a robot about this, because there's no judgment, a human, you might tell this to and they're going to look to maybe a little funnier. You'd be nervous that might think differently about you based on the answers that you give to some of these more delicate questions. So the refinding they were getting. Better data. And maybe it's some of those past studies more honest answers that help with those determinants of health that are going to be outcomes of having that social history and that data. So those are some examples of clinical settings of USA voice to the kind of interesting to our team. That's really interesting. The whole idea of a person be more forthcoming with the robot. I find that fascinating is are there certain strategies that you use in the way that the robots the questions to, to encourage the person to, to develop some of this information? Yeah, there was a team of psychologists that really did their homework on what works to engage. People and make them feel a bit more ease too. So we had a nice Betty is her name had a very pleasant female of voice that was recorded, and expressed a lot of emotion and empathy within the speech patterns at also told little of. Cutesy joke to kind of disarm the personal little bit to that. This is not a threatening situation. So a lot of the things that you would choose to do about the patterns and use of voice in speech are going to be really important to, to get right to it was just a mechanized computerized voice, and felt very cold and sterile that may not have the same effect as something that felt a little bit warmer and engaging. That's yeah, that's really interesting. And so, where what's the status with Betty, and that type of robot right now is that continue to be worked on being expanded, as it being ruled out toss battles where you being expanded right now to there's a program called the foundry ex at the Orlando health at their foundation, sponsored with the millions of dollars of support for innovation. And luckily, this team of doctors, Dr Hedberg Dr divorce act one, one of those coveted slots for. Expanded investment from the hospital from their hospital system. And they're in the process of expanding that right now too. So I expanded Linda health as one of their kind of signature innovations. But of course, the plan is to expand that out and have these innovations benefit other hospitals in systems patients as well too. That's great. And the speech recognition and the technology behind it. So is that your own proprietary stuff that was developing the labs leverage? One of the other current big companies that's doing speech or how does that work? Yeah. So so in it's interesting because in the version that was the three D printed, we actually used Siri technology, to because it was apple based platform. But then, when we use the Microsoft hololens to do this to emulate that same thing in a hologram of the Betty robot. We actually use Cortina. So we use the exact same recordings the exact same speech. Each patterns and flow diagrams of that dialogue, the dialogue flow, but within two different systems to come see if there any differences and so far, it seems like no significant difference. There's still more steady to be done. But that's what early returns which show. That's great. That's really neat. I wish we had some something like that here that I could just put into my clinic and help to collect some of the information and disarm, some of the patients when it gets to sensitive information, and it gets great fantastic. Other any other key projects that you'd like to highlight coming out of your lab. Well, we're very interested right now. What's going on with the ability to Tien voice in games? And that was one of the things that you and I saw a one of the winners was the X two games. Right. And was really treat that was Nolan Bushnell. And some of his team to that it put together some, some games using voice. And I thought that was really cool. It, it really was a way to engage people socially, but we've also been looking at ways that we can gauge people in their health using the same techniques to so Nolan. I've had a number of discussions, and we've been talking with other groups to so right now we're the midst of building some of these games that use voice in invoice enablement to, to engage people in social play that hopefully helps with their health. One of those environments that were doing this end, is the new center for health will being. Is being opened in Winter Park. Florida just north of downtown, relax. And it's a large complex. And we're looking at ways that we can enable both the voice and motion based games in this environment to so stay tuned. That's something we're releasing shortly. But that's one of the areas that were pretty excited about to the potential for these different areas to grow cats really neat. I think that's a great, great idea, sons, I think it takes a little bit of the stringent motivation to get people to change their behaviors. And games are really great way to do that. So, hey, that's neat. I definitely want to stay tuned for, for developments in that area. Now, I know there's another area that you have been looking at, and that is with blockchain and how that can affect healthcare, and how specifically as well that affects voice in healthcare. Can you comment a little bit about that? Yeah. Well, there's two trim lines, going on right now in healthcare that are really exciting. One is on the front end, and that's the voice technology to for the user experience, but behind the scenes right now, some of the most powerful technology for being able to verify records and trust those records between multiple organizations is USA blockchain and this goes beyond bitcoin, crypto currencies just financial transactions to anything that you might need to trust the problem with some of this technology with blockchain is that it's sometimes seen as a little bit harder to use. There's multiple steps, and people have to do certain things to be able to use the technology affectively, if we could paired Mary, some of the best of the front end technology of voice with the back end power of blockchain, that's going to start to create some new use cases for us. Like, wouldn't it be great just to be able to ask a question or speak, some technology? Something about a technology transaction that you wanna make. And then have the power of the blockchain to verify that technology across multiple systems by systems. I the might being that you could just say transaction that you want to have happen, like you want to have Telehealth session, and all of a sudden, it would not only automate the process to a smart contract of, of contacting your provider and automating that through voice transaction, but also automate the process of your financial transaction on that being paid for by your insurance company, or being able to know what your co pay is automate the process of paying that through their credit card, crypto currency, all in one easy transaction. This is the power of combining two technologies, not just blockchain by itself, not just by itself. But how did you have the best of the front end with the best of the back end and make that easier? And more holistic of healthcare experience for for people. That's what I think, might be really interesting to for us and keep track of that through a block chain transaction over the course of time. Are you specifically working on projects? They're looking at that interaction now in your lab. We are. We're looking at some of the ways that we can do that with the defining what some of those standards might be for the defense, health agency and the, the navy as well too. And seeing where we might use that for the large number of people that are doing this, either in uniform, or that are that veterans that we may want to be able to help with their healthcare, transactions and figure out what the future of that looks like to the space, still be a few years away. But of course, we're research developed lab. So that's we're supposed to be doing look at how some of this technology is going to come in, and how we buy to serve. Those who have served us so well as the first people that have access to some of the technology at some of the standards that will be rolled out to make this possible. This is quite a unique thing that we haven't really spoken much about on this podcast when we consider marry the, the idea blockchain and the voice, abled healthcare technologies which is, which is really fascinating and know that you've been looking into this quite a bit. You actually have a book that recently came out about this, and I was one of you could share a little bit about that. Yeah, so him so health patients system society asked us if we would last year, we write a book for release this year at their global conference this February called blockchain in healthcare, and we had written a number of other books to call the connected health and health for hymns to so wasn't a surprise that we'd be able to pull off a book within a year, but it was quite a challenge because there are so, so many people doing great things in the space to both thought leaders who had been working past who are also working on present cases, and also some Futurists, who had some big ideas of what can happen in blockchain. We wanted to make very realistic book, though. And have a lot of real world case studies to. So we enlisted a number of people over fifty authors that contributed to the book, either in case studies or thought leadership and chapters and we curated a book of some of the. Thinking in blockchain across a number of different areas. I like to call it blockchain for healthcare, and then fill in the blank of some other technology like voice, or like artificial intelligence or smart. Cities, are Telehealth, and we had people write about all these different topics. Now blockchain is going to change different fundamental aspects of these other new emerging technologies or processes at also some of the top use cases in healthcare, how they might change the future of latronic health records or how they might change the way that the medical licensure is verified across countries and states or how this might verify of drug supply lines or other supplies to drug counterfeiting goes on a cross the globe, or even things as Vance this, how the verification of clinical research might be better Nabl to blockchain, there's so many different use cases. That's why we had five hundred plus. Page book a refit contributors to in this area. And if you can't tell them really excited about all the ways that blockchain is going to going to fundamentally change some of the more back in processes of things you don't see every day. But the things that could be automated in healthcare to reduce the ministry of bird to increase some of the speed, and the veracity, and trust in our healthcare, data and records. If we can do some of that, on the back end and make our patients experience better make the whole experience safer and have better health outcomes. No, that's that's exciting times for any type -nology and Blockchain's going to be a part of that. I think fantastic gap, and as at him Z is able to have a look at that book and hold in my hand, and it's, it's a great great, great book cover, a lot of information there. How can the listeners get get a hold of one, these books if they wanna go and check it out, will it's available through through your favorite outlets like Amazon and? Apple ibooks too. So there's Berge in, in those formats. And of course, you can also get it through hymns and their bookstores well to directly. So any of those outlets of sure would would work great. I'll make sure to put links to two places that people can get the books in the show notes for this for this episode. Yeah. Shout out to our great co authors to had the some of the other authors will be written. Another blockchain enabled applications book on with Dr max Hooper in Bickham Dylan. And we also added some really incredible co-authors editors to this too with Alex Kahana, one of the top bloggers on medium on health care, and blockchain and also John bass one of the early leaders hashed health and some his great context resources to so would have been possible without the, the co-authors. Well, too. It's been an incredible experience to work with these guys fantastic. Yeah. Absolutely. I'd ask. I say, I'll be sure to, to share where. The listeners can can grab a copy of the book. David, thank you so much for spending some, some time here, you are involved in many incredible incredibly exciting. Areas of healthcare technology innovation, it's wonderful to hear what you're up to and to be able to have this chance to catch up with you where can listeners go to learn more about what you and your lab, and all the incredible things that you're involved in work, and they go to check it out. Yeah. Well, we've got a couple of places one is probably the easiest website is bettle dot org. ETL dot ORG. And that has information on some of our laboratory projects. And then as some of those projects are ready for primetime ready to roll out to the public, our investment banking group, which is called Birgit traffic at merging, traffic dot com has upset information on where some of those technologies are actually be hitting the public to and available to people. So those two places that would be of use to people to and tear have always enjoy listening to you and some of the great things that you're involved with two. So glad to hear that you're having a lot of fun to, if you will get chance of fun together, as we continue on in our quest to look at emerging technologies can tastic cadastre. Well, again, thanks, a lot, David. I really appreciate you taking the time and I'm sure listeners will too, and we'll chat against soon. I'm sure thank you, Terry talk to you soon. Well, I hope you enjoy that discussion with David Metcalfe, as you can see he has a ton of stuff going on in his lab, and he covers a lot of ground when it comes to emerging technologies. So if you're looking for somebody to follow that really has a pulse on all that is going on in healthcare than David might be just your guy, if you caught it at the end there, he just alluded to me, the just hinting at perhaps a little project that David, and I made just hypothetically might have going on. And I'm going to say too much about it right now. But stay tuned because if you are interested in voice N health, then we've got a little surprise coming coming down the pipe here in any case. Please take out the show notes for this episode. You can access all the things that David was talking about at voice, I health dot com slash thirty three and I'm sure he would be only too delighted to hear from you got any comments for me. But the episode then feel free day. Hit me up on Twitter at Dr. Gary fisher. D R, T, E R, I F, I, S, H E R before hearing from you and look forward to speaking with you again next week till then take care.

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S2Ep1 - The Birds And The Bees And The Gimme Money Please

Reality Bites - 90 Day Fianc�

25:25 min | 9 months ago

S2Ep1 - The Birds And The Bees And The Gimme Money Please

"The walk I'm the season two of the reality Bites podcast. It's Meghan Nj before we jump trump into the new season of Ninety Fiance J. I have a question for you. Could you have any more. NFL stuff on your vehicle. I'm guessing that's your car outside right and it's funny 'cause I never even knew what you drove until I saw all and I was like. Oh that's gotta be Jay's Car Support Team and you are very supportive how's your weekend. It was not too bad. I don't know if you know this but I went viral last week. You're not on facebook. I know that because we all share a computer sometimes. There's a common computer I've never once seen you logged in. Our boss leaves his of all. I'm always so tempted. Oh God but I. I posted this picture on facebook before Halloween and it has now been shared. Shared like twenty thousand times. Showed me the picture first official weekend as an Internet celebrity. And there's you know it's funny now now though is the pressure of would you follow that up with like anything else. Because I don't know where I go from here I was like do. I just quit the Internet now. I don't I don't know what now you have to get a social media beef with somebody else. You think I should start a like a war with some larger saying you've got to say something one time. I did say something about wife and really knew they were in the army came for me. So let's not go bad directs. Yes start small. I learned you. Don't pick fights with the bt US army the the beehive or Taylor Swift's swifty. Just leave them alone. Swift kick kickers. How's your weekend? It was good a lot of fun team won. I'm happy UPI. We're ready to go new season ninety. Fiance what can be better and let me tell you. Last night I had to mentally and emotionally. Prepare myself for a new season of this circus. and Are you ready to jump into season. Two of the reality bites. podcasts excited actually. All right well here. We go so starting off with emily and Sasha now emily is twenty eight years old. She's from Portland Oregon. Sasha is thirty one he lives in Russia. Now just a quick little recap their relationship. After graduating from college. She moved to Russia to teach English. Now she says she had planned on traveling all over Europe however during a visit to the gym with her co Workers Emily. Emily spotted Sasha and attractive fitness trainer. He trained her at the gym. She tutored him in English. In a romance ensued always liked Russian literature and I had an image of Russia in my head as kind of a wonderland then I landed in Volgograd. And I'm like what the hell did I do. I don't have friends scared aren't I can't read. The Language List City looks like it's deteriorating and freezing at first things where kind kind of difficult because Sasha knew very little English by an English teacher. It's my job slowly please. One day we had gotten takeout out for dinner. We were in the elevator and he just looked at me and he said Emily. I want you to be my wife now. Upon first glance they seem like a very attractive a couple they do about the same age which is rare for ninety days. Fiancee think you're gonNA find that as a theme in this year's ninety fiance is that a lot of people a a lot more matched right right. We don't have as many of the much older women going for much younger men and vice versa exception of one couple but emily and Sasha when you meet them for the first time it seems like tilts norm relatively normal enough story until we find out that Sasha who is thirty one years old is on his third kid. Third Baby Mama Been Married twice child with each of the other wives and now he's already gotten her pregnant and they're engaged where we meet them. She has four days away from her due date. Let's figure out because she doesn't look super pregnant and so I thought okay. Well maybe you know. She's a few months away but when she said she's doing the math I'm thirty nine weeks. Okay that's how many and she said four these women. Oh wow she is time. So here's what's interesting about their story. Is that this is a couple who's actually been in a relationship for quite quite awhile. Prior to getting pregnant getting engaged making this plan to bring everyone to the United States. In the Ninety Fiance Franchise this k one visa consists of an American who has met. A foreigner who lives in a different country has gotten engaged to this person has had to have been in a relationship with them for a while. Well at least enough to prove that they have met in real life that they've been together in person you apply for this ninety fiancee visa. Once the K one visa is approved the foreigner can come to the. US You have to get married. Within Ninety days or the foreigner has to leave and go back to their home country. So that's how it all works. I feel like like with these two. He obviously has had some stuff in his past. The big question mark is going to be. Will it all fall apart before they make it to the altar and she's making the very possibly controversial decision to have the child in Russia as opposed to coming back to the states in having the child which I would assume would give him a lot more parental control on where the child you know. Oh ends up residing in the future if things do Kinda in badly and I guess because it's so early we haven't gotten to know anyone well enough personality wise like the crazy Z.. Doesn't start to come out until you're a couple episodes in coming but we know there's definitely a story here and it'll be interesting to see what happens with these two over the The course of ninety day fiance season seven. Something seems a little off about her to me. I'm just GONNA put it out there. I don't know what it is. I can't put my finger on it yet. Ah but she seems normal enough and yet there's something or up next is it. Tonya Incision Tanya essentially. I know spoke Kinda you know. What's so hard in the beginning because you're still getting to know all the couples Tania's twenty nine years old? She was in Colchester Connecticut. Sinjin is also twenty nine and lives in South Africa. Now now this another couple relatively the same age attractive people now. They met when she went to South Africa to connect with a different guy that met met on a dating app when that fell apart she flirted with Sinjin. Who is a bartender at a bar? The two went home together and she extended her trip for four months. She'd left the other guy in the middle of the night by the way. Let's just to make sure we she said I kinda wrote the best neck out of the house and went to a bar boom engine four months later. They're in love in who knows. Yep so now. They're engaged. She has applied for the K one visa. It has been approved en route to the United States. He's the one in the previews. It keeps going America. One time squares very exciting So they meet in New York City. She draft New York City to pick him up but before he arrives. We see Catania in a porn shop. Because it's not an episode of Ninety Day Fiance Without somebody in an adult store. Now they are going to move into her mom's back yard. There's a shed their she shed. Now I was just surprised that they didn't call it an apartment or a studio or a mother in law unit or a guesthouse. Anything they referring to it as moving into a shed which sounds very primitive but so far one of my favorites of the season is her mom talking about making a drink and getting in the hot tub. At seven o'clock in the morning I was like oh I like her or thought you were going to say the part. Why where she said you know? If it can't go on your mouth shouldn't go in your vagina that was going to be in favour quotes. That's a lot to cross stitch that on a on a pillow. Yeah all right moving on to Blake and Jasmine Asleep. Couple that we really didn't get to meet in episode one at all right now. He lives in Los Angeles. He's twenty nine years old jasmine's twenty-seven she's from Finland another couple relatively the same age. What's interesting I think about these two is that he lives in La now a common theme here is that a lot of the Americans are from these small towns? Because there's not much exciting going on. Were they live. They turn to these foreign international romances as this exciting escape from their boring mundane life. Now A guy who lives in la bringing being a girl to L. A.. Might bring up some questions of her motives and what she's really trying to do. So hopefully this is going to be asleep or couple Benjamin and keeney any from last season before the ninety days will really didn't know much about them in the beginning three episodes of before he got on a plane to go see her but then they wound up being one of the a really compelling couples so with Blake Jasmine. We don't know yet but that leads us to another couple. We really didn't get to know it. All that's Mike and Natalie. Now Mike is Thirty Four. He's from swim Washington which I know very well because when I lived in Seattle you would go to swim. It was kind of famous for having these lavender fields really MHM in it's beautiful but it's very small town Washington okay so this is again another guy in small town Washington bringing Natalie from Ukraine to live with him in the United States. All we know about them. So far. Polar opposites a back story that. TLC did not give us last night. Which I'm assuming we will find out soon enough is that Mike's Friend Matt recently married a woman from Ukraine and after that might wondered if he too should look for for love in Ukraine? which is how he met Natalie? Mike's Friend Matt and his wife that Lana played matchmaker and introduced Mike to Svetlana's best friend. Who happens to be Natalie that's when they started chatting online but it does look like it's going to be pretty intense going forward because we saw a preview where he's like that's it well they ask her sure? Do you love Mike. And she doesn't say anything that triggers his reaction to get up and walk away so I'm looking forward to getting to know this couple as well. Moving on to Anna and Mersal sesame probably one of my favorite couples right now the keepers. I mean at least they have something in comment. I'm going to have to put out a disclaimer now. That whenever referring to these couples and and Michelle Probably GonNa have to draw at least one or two puns absolutely so more the better So beware Now she's thirty eight. She's from Bellevue Nebraska. He's thirty eight. He lives in Turkey and they met on facebook in a facebook group. Four takeovers. I mean this is just proof that there really is someone out there for everyone. Now the kicker here is that she's a single mom of three kids and they allude to the fact that he for whatever reason does not want his family to find out that she has three children which has been a kind of a common theme. We've seen in both ninety day. The other way ninety fiance before the ninety days where some of these special gentlemen who are getting attached to these females emails in America who might have children or siblings or whatever not siblings with children in past relationships. They've keeping a secret from their families because of the close family bonds that they have and I think in key again is is from Turkey. He's from a Muslim family where it's not always acceptable to get divorced in the first place so these two as as cute as they are there is definitely something very odd about him. I did notice. They were the first couple that we met on the show last night that when he lands at the airport he introduces Hannah to this guy that he just randomly met on his flight. And I don't know so if I was reading way too much into but I was like. He seems more excited about Omar than he does about. Omar come over here. And then he's like Omar. This is my fiance. It was interesting. He's an interesting character is very much going to be a lot of fun. I feel like so far. It's just what he does his mannerisms unstick communication barrier between these two now. And that's where I go man. Some of these Americans have a lot more patients than I do. Because listen I can totally understand stand if there are some things you don't quite get. My best friend was born in small yet to this day. There are things that she'll ask me like I'll say something that's pretty common slang term and she doesn't understand what it means and not have to explain it to our so I do have patients for it but like I don't know if I could ever be in a relationship with someone that I couldn't have a legit conversation Shen with Turkey. I am thirty eight. He finally got here and I'm so excited we've been waiting so long and I'm just so happy to hear. How do you feel without? How do you feel that you're here? The kiss you can write in circuit translate at all times and not only that but another com thing. That seems to happen is that when there's conflict the foreigner pretends like they don't understand and it's just a means of kind of deflecting the situation situation so something tells me that there's going to be some of that between these wish. I could do that in my relationship. Speak the lowest your wives like all right and that leads us to Angela and Michael who are going to movie making an appearance on this season because they are included in the previews and Promos for the show about this Angela. Michael we have the long history with history when it comes to ninety day fiance where we last left off with them at the tail. All at the end of ninety days before the ninety days Angela got into a physical altercation with avery's mom which TLC did not air. But I have read about online since that all happened. She was asked to leave by the show because she got physical and aggressive she came into that tell all ready to fight to rumble mean. She was in a foul mood. She she has has always been this very kind of rough and tumble character on the show and what they allude to moving forward on this season of ninety John say is that Michael's Visa has been approved. He is supposed to be coming to the United States. She is getting ready by going and getting botox injections which how she can afford for that because we know about her financial struggles. She's very openly talked about how she can't afford to go on these trips and she can't afford the three thousand dollars. Cotton Patch. Wedding and talks is not cheap. I don't know she said the big clip that that's kind of the cliffhanger that leaves us all wondering what's going on. Is there on a facetime time. Call where Angela asks. Michael do you still want to get married. And he's like sobbing sobbing which leads to what could be the reason for distress well. I think it's pretty obvious that he has figured out that Mary. Her is a very bad idea. But we haven't gotten to the call yet so I guess we'll find out in due time who advance all about so then moving on to the crash and burn couple. That's what I'm going to call them because this has disaster disaster written all over which one because I got a couple of ideas Robert and Annie. Okay Robert is forty one years old. He lives in Winter Park Florida. Anne is thirty. And she's from the the Dominican Republic he's a New Yorker who lives in Brooklyn you can hear the accent and he says a New Yorker who has is now living in Florida he drives for a ride. rideshare service bright. He has a single dad. He met Anne in the Dominican Republic. They got engaged after only spending eight hours together other. How did you propose doing on the beach and the Roman she gets here on the do it better than that long? Did you spend Eh. I spend about their day out there just so you you yeah I was pretty much much it at the time that opposed to any didn't didn't have Iran but it just came out it just felt right but even though she say yes already or do the ring. I'm going to do a read so I'm GonNa take her out to the beach. Get on the proposed the right way now. That was the crazy part to me. Because he said he booked crews that had a stopover in the Dominican Republic as opposed to just buying a flight and maybe just going for weakened. My question is who is the immigration agent who approved her visa. You know we've talked to people who have been in on the day before who say you have to prove that you have an established relationship with someone in order for a visa to be approved if he spent spent eight hours with this girl one day one day who was like. Oh yeah whatever come on come on in. I don't know but there's a lot of questions about this relationship. I'm just in general. It looks like it's going to be extremely volatile again finances. Appear to be a big issue as he says in episode one. He can't afford to buy a ring he can't can't afford to buy her this iphone that she wants looks like his friends are not going to be on board with any of this not going to be big fans of person. She definitely looks like she's she's Coming with an agenda she does. He's actually going to buy her lingerie for her benefit which is very nice of him. I feel like that's the proper thing to do. What is going to like sex shops and lingerie lingerie shops? Listen by all means. We're all adults like. Most of us have been inside those stores before have shopped at those stores before but being so overtly sexual an open about it. Is that something that the show tries to push you to do. or You. Just proud of Vienna freak that the robbers just that dude. I think he's just that new like like. Hey my girls got a big old booty. And I'd like to highlight his. Who could you put me in the right direction please? While he's there she's texting. You're more bunch of angry. Safes emojis like all bunch of awesome. And she's messed because she can't get the money that he supposedly had sent to her. A here we go another person who cannot afford to be sending money to someone overseas sees. Yes exactly he's a small town he's takes care of your service which don't get me wrong. You can do pretty well. Doing I understand that at least people that I've talked to who drive for Uber and lift. Say You can make you know twenty bucks an hour which is way better than minimum wage. It's not a bad way. Get to set your own schedule. He says it allows him to spend more time with the sun. said that's a good thing but it doesn't sound like he's in a position whatsoever to be sending money because he's driving for Uber Black or anything like that like I saw his car. Then he's trying to tell us that. Oh you have driven a couple football players and Shaquille O'Neal and I'm thinking I don't think she'll sit in the back year. Impala what was it was like wasn't it was like a Malibu. It was definitely not Shaquille seculow. Neil like hey I'm going to get into this random hoover lift and Roberts one of those people who like I said sadly there's a kid involved and I hate that he's about to go through this process and all all of the alarm bells are going off. All of the red flags are there episode one and in on the one hand you WanNa feel bad for the guy and then on the other hand you want to be like. You really don't have anyone I want to blame but yourself will quote Robert. I mean it's really none of our business. That's exactly right and there is no way to know because he says and I did he is right. They've spent eight hours together in person. It might work. It might not but there is no way to know when you enter into a new relationship. There's always a risk involved. There's no way to know what's going to work out as well as you. I think you may know someone or not know someone agree with you absolutely. I just think that on his. He's a little naive if he thinks of our business when he's doing it to be on the show that's why why didn't he go back several times because as far as we know they've only spent eight hours together in person wrestling's my whole crooks my suspicion addition about this situation that suspicion like the situation just his his mice in his thinking is that he said he booked a cruise so that he can have a stopover in the Dominican so he can spend the day with her again again if you can book a cruise. which aren't you know they're not very cheap? Why couldn't you find a cheap flight from Florida to the Dominican? Spend a weekend. I have a bad feeling about this couple. Do do not think it's going to last but we shall see last but not least are may December Romance. There's got to be one. There's got to be one. Michael is forty one years old. He lives in Greenwich Connecticut. which is a very affluent community and he is engaged to Juliana a twenty three year old Brazilian? Now Michael says he met Julianna on a yacht party that a friend of his was throwing in Croatia. He you went out of his way to make sure we knew that there were a lot of celebrities there which I'm so glad he mentioned says I would not have been as impressed. Otherwise and then he says that he he was amazed to find out that Juliana was only twenty years old like so weird. I'm almost looks like she's fifteen on the shot with a bunch of other rich people and we bring in models and what she's young. She's only twenty so weird shocking. Michael Very shocking now. Michael's those kids breakout stars of the season. I think your mom feels about Juliana think she felt she doesn't I don't think she is very. Larry feels like not liking. But I think it's a sort of unusual circumstance Juliana because she's not as much as like a step mom she's more she's more like one of us kind of these kids threw shade at their dad throughout the the entire two hours and it was hilarious because they just seem to get like Oh. She's closer in age to us than she is to. Our Dad add. MOM will be upset. Because she's more like us than she is like a girlfriend or step mom or anything and I give huge props to his ex wife for agreeing to come on the show and being As kind of calm and levelheaded about all of this as she appears to be with you one hundred percent on Michael could be anymore cliche. The guy in his forties going for like the twenty three year old model if you honestly believe that this is a legit loving relationship. Then I've got got some ocean front property in Arizona that has got your name written all over it Yup a center some money but you nose. Not The reason why she loves you. She's got his credit. It cards my credit cards. I mean come on until she gets her modeling career off the ground. He says he has vowed to take care of her. And and listen to be fair we. We really haven't gotten to know her yet. There is a chance albeit of I would guess a very small chance that she is as sweet and genuine and smart as he claims that she interesting thing is much like Sasha's she was denied visitation visas worst visa. Yes so that's also preview that that she is asked in her visa interview. Because when you go through this process you you have to be interviewed whether or not she has been working as a prostitute shoot for the past ten years. She's only twenty three twenty three. I was like okay. Hold on hold. On twenty three minus ten would put her at thirteen like what now. They denied her tourist visa. Because they were suspicious that she would be coming here to pursue other things can meanwhile any who talked about who Robert met for four hours eight hours. No problem getting here but the motto quote Unquote is denied a tourist visa tonight. The tours. Oh you know look I mean you always hear about going through midlife crisis. He's definitely going down through midlife crisis. And just as incomplete denial about about. It just seems like he wants us all to believe that this is like one hundred percent legit. It happened organically and they are madly in love with each other but he he also strikes me as one who has a lot of really deep seated anger. Did you pick up on. That definitely. Looks like he's just like a ticking time bomb tiny rage keep suppressed asked but like. There's one preview where he's like she's not a prostitute and I was like Whoa pair like Whoa and his kids. They're wonderful and especially when his son and his lack well you know. She's not quite young enough to be his daughter and I was like actually actually she very well could have gotten on your mouth because you still pretty young conquer. All right. We'll season seven of ninety day. Fiance is now underway. We will be back in one week to talk about episode. Oh two of this new show. You're here for we're here for it to make sure you find the reality Bites podcastone apple podcasts and in Google play rate and subscribe.

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How well do you know your economic history?

Marketplace with Kai Ryssdal

26:20 min | 1 year ago

How well do you know your economic history?

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First monthly report known as jolts for job openings and labor turnover survey entity yesterday, it showed the job openings in economy are at a record high an optimistic sign. Yes. Lots of jobs for people to get alas perhaps not because a second report today from the national federation of independent businesses shows small business optimism in this economy is at its lowest level in months marketplace adjusted ho explains what's going on news that job openings are hitting record. Highs sounds great for workers. Not so great for the people who have to fill. All those openings, Emma lines hours, the general manager of little Tong noodle shop in New York. There was one point where I was hiring and set up a full day of interviews. I think I had about fourteen sixteen interviews back to back and only two people showed up a job market where people can literally not show up to an interview means a lot of roles at little Tong. Go unfilled. It also means that we're a lot more lean. The question is how do we operate the same way? How do we optimize our operations with a much leaner stuff not finding enough qualified workers or workers at all? It's one of the biggest complaints small businesses. Have right now says economists Sarah house, it Wells Fargo they need workers to grow. And so they can't do it all by machines. And so the fact that they're having so much trouble. Finding workers I think is is beginning to weigh on their sentimental, but but for workers, it is kinda great. If you can just goes the job interview Francis. Donald head of macroeconomic strategy at Manulife asset management says these days. Workers have more freedom. You're willing to quit your job and move on to something new if you feel that the economy's doing well, and you're capable of finding a new job a Gallup poll this week found that Americans optimism about finances is at the highest level in sixteen years wages are slowly rising to analyze. Ow. Little Tong says she's playing up other benefits to attract candidates like healthcare, commuting money and opportunities to move up in New York. I'm just Justin ho for marketplace. There was an interesting moment of economic history during the president's rally last night in El Paso, Texas. You take a look eighteen eighty eight the great tariff debate, the debate was about our country had so much money. They had to debate. What the hell do with all the money because tariffs will bring in a fortune into the United States. We we eighteen eight what check it out eighteen eighty have the press. Check it out. They'll say don't. Tump said eighteen eighty eight Donald Trump said eighteen eighty eight. So here you go. We call economic historian John Steele, Gordon for some nineteenth century context on this one first things first he said, we'd run up an enormous national debt in the civil war went from sixty five million to two point seven billion second revenue back, then the federal treasury got most if not all really of its money from tariffs. We ran a positive on budget for like thirty years between eighteen sixty six and the early eighteen nineties, and we cut the debt by half. But also back then as now tariffs were not without controversy. The industrialized part of the country. Basically, the northeast was all in favor of great big tariffs because that protected them, and they could charge higher prices the south and the west much less developed and much poor were against Harris because Taras our consumption tax, and it just raises the price of everything which gets us to what the. Resident might actually have been talking about. Because remember last night was technically a twenty twenty campaign rally for him. So maybe the president was talking about the presidential election of eighteen eighty eight Grover Cleveland was the incumbent president, and he actually won the popular vote, but he lost the electoral vote so Benjamin Harrison became president a very pro tariff Benjamin Harrison, we ought to point out. But there end the comparisons because economies change a whole lot in one hundred and fifty years tariffs and not have primary source of revenue for the federal government. We have moved to much more sophisticated sources of revenue the one that will be on every money's mind right now is the income tax because we're all getting ready to file or we already have filed Mary lovely is professor of economics at Syracuse. The economy has changed a lot since eighteen eighty eight and in particular when we think about who bears the burden of tariffs. We have to recognize the. Development of very complex supply chains for American companies. And you know, simply looking at the tariff in saying, well, the tariffs, for example on China will be passed back to Chinese producers is simply not true. A lot of trade that we have with China is actually one part of a multinational corporation with another. So these international production networks really change how we think about who bears the burden of a tariff. Jour-jour? Shutter Steven Mnuchin and US Trade Representative Robert lighthizer are on their way to be operating in China right now, the next round of trade negotiations starts over there on Thursday. The president did say today, by the way that he might slide has self imposed deadline for some kind of deal of March the first just a little bit. So stay tuned on that one Wall Street today. It was often running from the get-go. We'll have the details when we do the numbers. President Trump has mentioned a minute ago was down on the southern border last night for that rally. Beto Rourke one time member of congress and perhaps at challenger to the president next year held a counter protest couple of hundred yards away. There's of course, much politics and yet to do on the immediate topic at hand the wall how much of it's going to be built and what the shutdown situation turned out to be but politics aside daily economic life goes on. So we sent marketplace's into Euler to the Rio Grande valley for the first in a series. We're calling business at the border today from Laredo, the billions of dollars Mexican citizens spend every year in Texas. Just after five on a sunny day right outside of the outlet. Shoppes Laredo Julio arrive low is headed back Mexico cheryl's a cart down the pedestrian bridge or the border crossing a couple hundred feet away. She's got a lot of stuff bags full, addresses and shirts three or four pillows strapped to either side of her cart. She says she comes over to the American side of the border at least once a week to buy stuff for her five kids. The to this anything you want will come cheaper here. Whether the dollar is strong or not there are many things that are more convenient to buy here. Getting to these outlets from Mexico is really easy, the bridges and highways actually funnel traffic to them. And Gary Scoiety, you'll of horizon group properties, the group that open these outlets couple years ago loves it. Yes. The bridge goes right into the outlets. There's also a ramp that comes down for my thirty five that really kind of goes right into the outlet. So, yeah, it's very acceptable. Mexican spin more than four and a half billion dollars a year on food clothes, car parts and other stuff in Texas. According to the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas in Laredo, Mexican shoppers make up forty to forty five percent of all retail sales. But according to some people who work at the outlet mall numbers, probably even higher than the official stats. Eighty percent. It's Mexican Adriana. Raise manages, the journeys shoe and apparel store eighty. Hundred percent would be people from across coming to save money to outlets CEO scorpions squeezes, his company's border outlets are more successful than many of his other properties. But he can distinctly. Remember when things weren't so great right after the election maybe weeks or so there was a some indignation MAC in Mexico. There was actually some organized indignation if you will some interest in boycotting purchases in the US some Mexicans didn't like the way President Trump was talking about their country. So they decided to take it out on the businesses on the American side of the border. There were hashtags and protests in the label radio the Mexico City on the other side, some consumers from their stopped spending money in Texas Elma sewn day, Senegal Steen restaurant in Laredo historic downtown district felt it Sandra. Brunell helps run the place with bright walls where people into Ladas and maneuver. Forty percent of our people are Mexican and we did see a difference. She has family in Mexico in. No, some who still won't set foot in the United States Burnell says some shops nearby that had been around since the nineteen forties had closed their doors restaurant. Joined other businesses in Laredo city council to ask for help. The local government responded, very aggressive campaign to bring people back, and it it was very slow. But they're they're coming back. Slowly that seems to be what happened at the journey shoe and apparel store the outlet mall. That's source sales were up fifty two percent in December of the year before but traffic in the other direction from Texas into Mexico has fallen thanks to travel advisories in the rhetoric coming out of Washington. That's forced businesses south of the border to adapt. According to Federico Shuffler, he said, he's cross border commerce, Texas, Am International university in Laredo, the people from Mexico learned that they had to do. Without those dollars, and they have survived and in some cases, they thrived given how much money Mexican spend on the US side, though, it's hard to imagine American businesses, thriving if a significant number of Mexicans stop spending their money here either because they're not allowed to come in. They just don't want to in the radio, Texas. I'm Euler for marketplace. I do for a whole slew of initial public offerings this year chief among them Uber. And it's rideshare competition lift about which there is interesting reporting being done by the Wall Street Journal, the paper says that when lift does go public. It's two co founders will own less than ten percent stake in the company, but in what is becoming Silicon Valley standard practice. They're going to keep a lock on majority voting control the journal reports that lifts founders like those of Facebook, and tesla and a whole lot of other companies actually are going to do that by creating a class of water called super voting shares super maybe for the people at the top the rest of the shareholding public, though, marketplace's Mariel Sagarra has that one. If you own stock in a company, you have rights the first becoming straw. Then you get a shared in it. And the second writers who have a C in the face of the company on Upshur Vastagh teaches finance at the university of Calgary. And he says it's sets second one that's getting watered down here. Super voting. Shares are a special class of stock available. Only to certain company insiders, Ken. Burch is executive director at the council of institutional investors. More epochal structure in the insiders, founders have pen votes pershare and everybody else has one vote for sheer last year when snap when public it gave regular shareholders zero votes per share, creating multiple classes of shares isn't new the practice has gotten more common though, and lots of big companies. Do it Ford berkshire-hathaway the New York Times founders say super voting shares give them the freedom. They need to run the company. Lindsey baron teaches finance Kent state. It allowed the insiders to retain control of sort of vision or the where the company is going without having to meet the short-term pressures of being a publicly traded firm and without having to battle activist investors, but concentrating so much power in. So few hands can be risky investors. Look at this. And they say, well, there's this potential for these inside. Irs to make really poor decisions. And we would have nothing no control over that one. Recent example, Facebook whose problems are well documented CEO, Mark Zuckerberg shares give him virtually total control over the four hundred seventy billion dollar company. I'm maryelle Sagarra for marketplace. Coming up. They love this Furger because they don't feel like they're compromising like they're eating a black bean burger that has zero comparison to beef sinker tooth into that wanna but first let's do the numbers. The Dow was up three hundred and seventy two points today. One point four percent closed at twenty five thousand four twenty five. The NASDAQ up one of six also one point four percent finished at seventy fourteen the S and P five hundred lifted thirty four points more than one and a quarter percent twenty seven and forty four Justin. How is telling us that Americans are feeling pretty upbeat about their finances retailers today that's benefit when confident workers use their wages to buy stuff. Target rang up more than a third one percent WalMart at eight tenths percent online retail giant Amazon delivered two point nine percent day bond prices fell the yield on the ten year treasury note, rose two point six eight percent. And you're listening to marketplace. This marketplace podcast is brought to you by Goldman Sachs for insights from leading thinkers on the state of markets industries and the global economy listened to the podcast exchanges at Goldman Sachs. You'll hear discussions on a variety of topics with far reaching implications from how venture capital is fueling innovation to the global shift where renewable energy to the economic impacts of President Trump's legislative agenda and more that's exchanges at Goldman Sachs. Available on apple podcasts Spotify, Stitcher, soundcloud and Google play. And also at GS dot com slash podcast. This is marketplace. I'm kai. Rozelle workers have been in the spotlight a lot lately, which has not a small amount to do with how they are organizing toys R us employees as just one example lost their jobs when the company went bankrupt and got together to fight for severance pay in the Tory, tough the unionize retail sector labor unions as well. No, we're not as strong as they once were in this economy, but workers are figuring out how to be heard and. For now. At least employers do seem to be listening, Janet Paskhin rights for Bloomberg for latest article is called the resurrection of American labor, Geno. Welcome to the program. Thanks so much for having given the snapshot would you of of organized labor in this economy, circa early two thousand nineteen will there two ways to look at it. Traditional bailed labor has really been hobbled by legal constraints regulatory constraints court decisions that's made it very very hard for unions to exist and to organize in the way that we think about them traditionally on the other hand, you also have workers in all kinds of workplaces that are really going very public with demands that of how they want their workplace to be and that may or may not be with the support of union. So on the one hand, it's pretty dire on the other hand. You're also seeing a lot of energy and a lot of inspiration and a lot of activity a lot of ways for them to get their word out, which we'll get to a minute. But I do want to ask you about a line from an analyst or perhaps in academic in this PC said. Workers. You know, they want their voices to be heard as you said. But that doesn't mean they want an actual union in the traditional sense explain that a little bit. Would you what the researcher found is that a surprising number two thirds of workers say that they want more of a voice in their work than what they feel that they have traditionally unions and the collective bargaining agreements have pertained to wages hours benefits workers what we're seeing? Now, they want that. They also want to say about the kind of work that they do whether or not they're working on government contracts, or who their leadership is those are things that aren't necessarily covered by traditional collective bargaining agreements. And they are getting that say to get to the point of of modern, social media and technology. They are having that say in large part because they have ways to get their word out. They don't need the organizing force of traditional labor. That's right. They can find each other now on Twitter Facebook, and they can make their case directly to the public. And is it work. I mean, there are some, you know, high profile examples, the most recent I think was was BuzzFeed when those workers were laid off they got, you know, paid out for sick Lieven and those kinds of things after the social media storm that arose, but is it working in the larger sense in some ways. Yes. And like you say we've seen some very high profile victories glow workers got Google to stop working on a Pentagon contract. Same at McKinsey. You know, consultants are not exactly firebrands, but we don't know. Because again, the legal protections are really in questions. So right now workers are buffeted by a tight labor market also company sensitivity to public perception, if the labor market gets more lax or companies, stop caring about the bad press than maybe it stops working while being leery of laying everything that is going on in this country in this economy at the feet of the two thousand sixteen election. There is some corollary here to people speaking up and what? Happened in the presidential election of going on now two and a half years ago. I certainly think so, you know, people got active and companies supported that you remember some of the big companies gave workers time off to protest whether that was the Muslim ban or the women's March. They really encouraged people to go out and be engaged, and then the target shifted. And you know, as one researcher said to me, they said that's a muscle. Thank gets activated and people and when they're using that muscle in their speaking up on one issue. It's not separate immigration issues aren't separate from workers issues, women's issues aren't separate from workplace issues. And so those all kind of congealed so who's got the upper hand. Now, do you suppose workers have a little momentum or do employer still have control? That is a really good question. And I wouldn't presume to see the future on that there is momentum. And I think workers do feel empowered. At the same time. They do take tremendous risk when they organize and speak out the biggest I think example of that is Colin Kaepernick who spoke out in the context of his workplace in has not worked since so people are vulnerable. They do make themselves motorable Jeddah Paskhin radio Bloomberg most recently about the resurrections name. The piece the resurrection of American labor jennif- X lot. I appreciate your time. Thank you. Tip. Oh, the had to whoever thought the if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck thing here is very Asian for the foodies among you. If a burger looks like ground beef, smells, like ground beef cooks like ground beef. But as made entirely from plants, what do you call it? What do you call it a plan based Burger's what you call it? And you can get them at a couple of burger chains and grocery stores to the foam meat market is hot right now to brands are trying to get an edge. The impossible burger was conceived in Silicon Valley is backed by Bill Gates and can be had at white castle. The other is the beyond burger it's on the menu at TGI Fridays. And in the meat section at whole foods. Marketplace's were not a sago has more now on the market for these meat replacements. There's a cheese Centric theme at toasted sandwich in burger joint in Winter Park, Florida right outside of where Landau one Wallis shaped like a block of cheese, and there's a periodic table of cheese on another wall. And when one of Meghan yarn its customers at the restaurant orders and impossible burger, his that's going to have cheddar cheese on it. The restaurant serves twenty five thirty of the plant based burgers every day arm. It says this isn't your grandma's fake meat made out of soya or lintels with tasting texture match. The impossible burger is engineered to taste and cook and smell just like meet starts out as a reddish. Looking slab takes about six minutes to cook. It looks like a juicy beef Patty when it's done you can see it develops a crush just like round those it started serving impossible, burgers and 2017 back thin. Yarmuth says it was popular with curious foodies and vegetarians vegans now, she says, it's. Popular with meat eaters, who are watching their cholesterol. And wait they love this burger because they don't feel like they're compromising feel like they're eating a black bean burger that has zero comparison to be that's exactly what impossible foods, and it's competitor beyond meat want. People to feel Chuck view chief growth officer at beyond meat says instead of marketing plant based burgers vegetarians vegans, his company is trying to woo meat eaters is a much bigger target audience. So from an economic perspective, you know, roughly or over thirty consumers today are me reducers. In other words, meters who are cutting down on how much meat they eat beyond made its debut in twenty sixteen at whole foods at the meat counter, right next to packages of real ground beef. Now, it's available in more than thirteen thousand grocery stores. And it's on the menu at Carl's junior and perga- fi-. It's competitor impossible foods launched the same year at a restaurant owned by celebrity chef David Chang. Melanie's knows are tell me global food analyst at the market research firm Mintel says the appearance of this new non meat meat and familiar places is a key ingredient in the company's strategies, this is really making these brands in particular, really approachable and really stand out for consumers US cells of plant based proteins like the burgers will reach five billion dollars by next year. According to the plant based food association that's around nine times more than twenty twelve health conscious. Twenty and thirty somethings are driving the growth. The nose knows are tell me says impossible burger and beyond meet our marketing their plant based products as more than just food their environmental messaging and really talking about the amount of water and land and resources that their products are saving. It's okay to have a plant based burger if you think it's helping save the world says plant based dietitian Juliana Hever. Just don't expect it to keep you healthy. She says, she's working more and more. With non meat eaters who are starting to end up with the same health issues as meters because they're consuming plant based products that are engine neared to mimic meet all these different compounds at we're trying to avoid by eating a plant based diet where eating by consuming this animal free version of it. It could take years of science to know for sure ever says, meanwhile, impossible burger has just launched version two point oh of its product the company says it'll be in grocery stores soon and beyond meat has also launched plant based sausage that the company says look sizzle n satisfy like, pork. I'm a Saito for marketplace. No. Final note on the way out today. A little bit of context for the conversations we have every now and again on this program, the national debt of the United States cross the milestone today and remember national debt is the cumulative amount owed since the founding the deficit is the annual pool of reading. Anyway, we have crossed the twenty two trillion dollar Mark for national debt for the first time twenty two trillion twelve billion eight hundred forty million eight hundred ninety one thousand six hundred eighty five dollars and thirty two cents. No, I have no idea. What that thirty two cents is all about. All right. That is all we got the Dow up three hundred and seventy two points today. One point four percent. The NASDAQ up one hundred six points. Also one point four percent this and p five hundred thirty four points to the good more than one and a quarter percent are digital and on demand. Team includes Janet win over Oxman, Barbara Platt. Brian Ron Han, a Soriano and Tony Wagner. Sarah T is the executive director of digital sitar Neves is our executive. Director on demand, I'm KAI Ryssdal. We will see tomorrow. This is APN.

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Away Game | Ian Gilley from Sugarloaf Social Club

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Away Game | Ian Gilley from Sugarloaf Social Club

"Hey guys welcome to away game. Golf dot com's travel focus podcast where we dive into offense travel. I'm i'm really excited today to welcome ian gilly a co founder of sugarloaf social club. You likely haven't heard about sugarloaf social club which is highly really unfortunate because what they're doing is really cool and even if you have heard about it you might that though exactly what it is so we're gonna start our conversation with am by asking him what is gigolo social club and then we're going to die right into a hidden gem project. Essentially he's identified about ninety courses around only united states put them on a map on sugarloaf social club dot com and identified them as the hidden gems that all golfers should experience so without further ado here's ian so welcome ian gilly one of two co founders of the sugarloaf social club. Am i right. Yes correct sean so ian for those who don't know or aren't exactly familiar with what sugarloaf social club is. What is your mission statement. What's your ethos in real goals yet. It's it really started as as a small group of garnered sewer interested in and in exploring the the highbrow and lowbrow cool elements of golf that that we found interesting and translating that through our in gem project where we're uncovering courses that deserved more light in that are affordable and accessible and we love also of swag and designing designing hats and clothing and <hes> autos on our site sa- as kind of a bat signal that people pick up the rest of the world to connect like minded strangers out in the wild it is a golf decided that started in twenty eleven in my dorm room at rollins college in winter park florida with me and my my two roommates basically we were playing the score crenshaw course called sugarloaf mountain at the end of our school year were about to graduate graduate and we were we were getting a little teary eyed and all going our separate ways and we came up with this idea of sugar social club an umbrella over our little friend group as an incentive sensitive for us to kind of keep in touch as we moved across the country and the idea was we'd have like a private facebook group in private text message group chatan and we would collect friends from our new experiences over the years and add them to this group and the tipping point of of it kind kind of becoming much more than a small group of friends was we love designing so head for ourselves and of course every club wants to have their own hats and logos rosen <hes> we you know the minimum order for hats is maybe thirty six and we'd got eighteen guys in the club so we were wearing these hats and other other folks wanted them and so we set up a website to to sell them and so other people could join in on the ethos and kind of take their little sugarloaf aloke with them <hes> so the tipping point was truly the pimento cheese sandwich mark just though twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen and it it just instantly spoke like secret golf nerd i totally understand what this is and it's something not overly golf you that i'm bill comfortable wearing to a bar but it's definitely a conversation starter and if you know you know and that was a really powerful but simple icon in that that was the tipping point wait for the the swag at large and swag now is a huge part of what sugarloaf does <hes> but it's it's one live at least three branches that i've noticed and recognized and another one is <hes> this branding agency that you guys have started you know you've worked with some some really well known entities within the golf world definitely <hes> this harrison lewis my business partner working on capitol hill for five years who's up there for ten and we weren't totally creatively fulfilled and we had spent all this time is communications directors and kinda jack-of-all-trades type communicators and we figured hey let's let's take our creativity in our kind of have good instincts on branding and and how we handle a member of congress and handled carefully his brand across the spectrum of outlets and let's see if we can apply those sort of learned things to other companies and we were really obviously big golf nerds and really interested in on the payroll and resorts courses so yeah right off the bat we left congress and immediately had a few clients these we've done cool branding for pinehurst nine hearse and we work with mackenzie every day and we're helping launch brands all the time and the blur of the agency and the brand sometimes like like we will do huge collaborations with a callaway or a original penguin and it's it's been really fun. I mean basically like all i ever wanted to do was to help brands realize their full potential and so i get to do that with our own in house grand and other brands that are really respected meyer we. I thought what you guys did with pinehurst. I number four specifically was tremendous and in you really kind of help them when they i wouldn't call that a redesign i would call it a a total rematch nation pinehurst number four what feel hanson his team did their branding wise what you did was you went back into their archives archives basically and discovered that little things like you know the fact that their original colors were navy and orange you brought that back to life and that's how you kind of set the precedent for all of the materials that you created around the do pinehurst number four but it was really kinda old exactly and we're archaeologists at the end of the day like we love finding those little nods in in courses past like how their branch dan should be approached in current context and i mean that that is a great example and you know now that was almost a a bit fact that was was lost in time that discourses just just like how the old course and sanders they have different colored flags on a different you know nine's earth the different courses i mean you can get lost pines and start planning to records especially back in the twenties thirties forties when there's maybe naza homes or sign a drought there so the color of of course was like really important and like a true identity of of one through five or whatever was originally there <hes> and when we were tasked with hey if if number four was going to have its own identity and branding and kind of stand you know side aside shoulder-to-shoulder number two which it's totally worthy of you know where should we start to make authentic and dipping into the archives like always our first our first thing we do on any of these products and see if there's any hidden little little glint of of a previous identity that just had been lost time and yeah orange was number four color and kicked off the entire palette from tease. The flags rides to scorecards the logo to the merchandise since very we really think that having a cohesive brand is important in that they they seem happy and i see number four flags on instagram all the time it's amazing. I can't stop wearing my hat so thank you and you use that word hidden which gets me to the third leg or branch that i've noticed in recognized in sugarloaf and that's the hidden gem project which is what we're going to really talk about right right now so you say on your website that the hidden gem project is quote a guy to affordable accessible and architecturally really interesting golf courses that are one hundred percent sugarloaf approved so i want to break that down in your opinion makes golf course affordable. Yeah i mean <hes> really there's no total hard and fast rule but when we're looking to add courses to this to this map <hes> typically things under one hundred dollars is kind of kind of benchmark and most of these are under fifty dollars not half that so <hes> we are really looking for cool interesting funky quirky courses that don't potentially even know how cool and interesting they are. You're <hes> that that deliver a ton of value so for example. I think you've played winter park down in orlando area. That's it's twenty bucks incredible incredible of and we went to rollins right down the street there and you know it's out propound some of the best golf you can you can have her for that much money and <hes> the the there are hundreds if not thousands of courses like that across the country and we're kind of scratching the surface in terms of uncovering them. That's awesome so is affordable couple different trim value like if if there's a course out there that's really really amazing. If pebble beach cost one hundred fifty dollars instead of five hundred dollars i would you consider that affordable or is that a valid question. I mean we've always kind of looked at this. Look at golf as a hole in an enjoyable golf as as a value proposition. I mean stream song banned in these are all worth their weight in whatever they're charging <hes> but likewise winterpark has squalls nines also have an incredible value proposition at at their. I mean to us. It's really it's really like restaurants. Frantz right like you can have an incredible meal world-class best dinner of your entire life like a michelin star restaurant with white tablecloths tons of cool service ala- alaska pebble beach. Let's say but there are also like food trucks down the road that are selling the best tacos you've ever had in your life and so we love the highbrow and lowbrow but it's it's. It's really fun to discover those food truck. Esca golf courses at delivering an incredible opportunity in course experience for a really in saint value love it and so the other part of that definition with the hidden gem project is accessible <hes> and when i was poking around your map on sugarloaf social club dot com yeah <hes> i saw that some of these hidden gems are private courses so that made me wonder under what makes these tracks what makes all of them accessible sure you might have to let me know exactly which ones you've found were pump private. I mean we really try to make sure that these are you know. Accessible is is basically a you know it means. It's it's a public course some of them. There are are some. There are a few exceptions though you're right. I mean there's like caper rundle in maine for example definitely it operates like a pride of course prime membership of but they allow outside play. It said i saw yeah. Even better example would be capital city country club cool tilling escorts down in tallahassee. <hes> you know for their entire history. This has been a private the country club but recently they've opened up on certain times and days <hes> public access so we think that's a really cool at european model invests soon as we heard that they opened up for public lancer time students they've they made the list <hes> and i think the one <hes> outlier in this conversation rotation about accessibility is jefferson lakeside club which is enrichment which is definitely a private club <hes> and we had it listed in august issue golf augustine as one of our favorite hidden gems and we include that just because we belong there and if anyone ever wants to play. It's an open invitation to the public. Just let us know on. We'll help you get on or even hosted for today. Beautiful so accessible care really does mean public absolutely been to all yeah yeah. I would say a grand joy to them are truly don't even have like a private element to them whatsoever. I mean these are these are mostly kind of off the beaten path a public access tunnel unions as well great. I definitely want to get to how you pick these spots because there's from my rough count about nine the given so we're going to get there i promise <hes> but the last bit of that definition architecturally interesting what does that mean in a what elements of design zayn make a course interesting totally and what a subjective category this is i mean we kind of see discourses and in a few different different lights one would be a lot of them are golden age courses and like pre1933 nineteen forty and there's just a certain quirk and charm that goes along with courses horses milton this time they you know pre industrial pre machinery <hes> and a lot of pan tan sculpting and horse drawn plows and what have you and and i think what that leaves behind these really charming funky interesting courses and a lot of tracks on our map are designed by golden age architects roster roster attila s <hes> and and it's without fail <hes> it's one of those types of guys touched it and usually it's still before nineteen thirty. There's going to be something architecturally architecturally intriguing or interesting or different or funky about it <hes> and then look into the to the modern age. There's there's a lot of cool interesting things built in the last twenty five years. I mean world words and florida. Tom fazio public super super interesting like the poor man's pine valley <hes> <hes> so you know it's it's a really broad question but <hes> it is definitely the eye of the beholder but were looking for you know funk template holes you know just vintage oddness <hes> and kind of modern like different nece in that that kind of funneled into what we consider architecturally actually interesting. That's that's awesome so when you say funk in oddness <hes> when i say those two words what are some holes or courses that it come to your mind almost right away. Are there any yeah i mean go back to one of our favorites achon golf club <hes> north of augusta there. <hes> you know it's fifty eight hundred yards <hes> double green scott you know in maine there there. There's you know a handful of really cool courses that are par sixty eight sixty nine <hes> and then just kind of weird. Just the these folks were building courses one hundred years ago like you know there. There wasn't really a grand template out there and sometimes that resulted in some awesome like beautiful mistakes. I guess <hes> there's a cool course called gaylon all in the middle of pennsylvania signed by telling us that has an island green who knows how old that thing that's just just totally totally odd <hes> so again in the in the eye of the beholder but you know when when you see it you know it and just just charm in patina basically beautiful so i was looking at your map of hidden gems. I counted about ninety courses. I'm i might have miscounted but it's around there <hes>. How did you find these courses. I see below the map on your site. There is a place for people to submit entries but what's that process like of going through those entries accepting entry you know is there and characteristic that they all all having common deadly. I mean there's there's kind of a few ways that these courses out here. <hes> a a a handful them we have we have played prior to building building this map in two thousand fifteen two thousand six like keeney park <hes> la sonia up and <hes> and rang slow outside of chicago. These are thought we'd we visited many times and really kind of were like if we ever put together a list. These are definitely all stars <hes> and then you as as we left our jobs on capitol l. and have dovan to shirlow fulltime. I mean we've we've been working up to travel across the country and we kind of just stumble accidentally on some cool courses like there's there's a municipal course coming back from augusta north called dylan muny and it's right where that south of the border like weird gas station accident. It's just like cool little all forgotten gem <hes> little country club <hes> outside of billy incredible ross quartz. We were playing a course next door. Look like what is that so we went over there in the afternoon afternoon. Play that place pox the bar when you're headed out to montauk on long island summer just see these places you know like okay we have to try these these these just look incredibly interesting <hes> and then the other ways i mean we've dedicated trips to like seeking out these spots so we've gone who spent almost a week in maine and a week in in western pennsylvania this summer <hes> and those adventures always start with me on google earth just combing the landscape jumping to ask you because yes. I'm sure you know how do i find these hidden gems gic yet hours and hours on google earth and we've developed kind of mccain. I like alex alex cool and then do some research on it. Oh wow like that is a styles and ben quick course and who knew and we have to it so <hes> and then of course yeah folks always are submitting interesting ideas and <hes> we personally love to like i would love to see all these places <hes> but i'll usually you know once once. I got a good feeling on a spot. That's recommended. I'll ask my buddies. Maybe in the area who played the course kind of get a consensus like okay this is <music> on on brand on taste for us and makes them out that kind of reminds me that the july issue who of golf magazine included huge feature about sugarloaf and what you guys are doing and i really enjoyed the read. I know josh sense did a great job rob with that and one of the things that he was saying was that you to you in harrison are really kind of using new mediums like instagram and just the digital world to push this retro message and this message that going back to golf's routes is is fun and like should be celebrated and was forgotten for a little bit but now is kind of making <hes> it's emerging urging again and what do you attribute that to what certain courses are doing like sweden's cove and you know these par-three courses that are popping up around some really great resorts in america or is it a mix of that with people who are like minded like you guys is and this group that you've kind of collected to really push that message or did one come before the other or that's a great question i when i look at this movement and this is definitely a long conversation like i think you can't start this conversation without talking about abandons mike kaiser and bandon preserved so that really was like this lightning bolt moment for me. That golf doesn't have to be eighteen holes with it can be thirteen. It can be all all part threes. You can have a sixty yard par three and it's like the coolest hole in the world's <hes> i'm in that that kind of you know my kaiser man of great taste and of course <hes> a true historian in the gulf world himself in <hes> looking you know that got me thinking and that's thinking like there are so many interesting little old courses that are now public and should should kind of have their day and let's let's highlight them a little bit and concurrently i think tastes and attitudes towards these types of courses are changing. I and i would like to think we're definitely a little bit part of that narrative. <hes> wherein you can play pinehurst number two you know in the morning and then go to the cradle afternoon. Enjoy both equally you don't look down upon one over the other or put one on a pedestal you know gulf gulf can be can be a par sixty seven four thousand thousand yards it can. It can be a really stern test. It can be a putt putt course crazy putting green and i think it's really cool that folks are investing in were really again probably just scratched the surface and in the golf industry in terms of like what what is coming next. I mean there's going to be i'm guessing tons runs. More sweetens co type cool spots that are in the middle of nowhere and nine holes in worth. You know dr overnight to see it. <hes> and resorts are going to continually newly probably add par-three courses. I think the greenbriar added a cool par three course just last summer <hes> so i think you know she attitudes either changing think having something being a part of this movements that shows hey i get it and i can appreciate the taco truck and the michelin star a restaurant in her. Both awesome is powerful in one day. Yes that's really cool. It's a cool analogy <hes> so i know you mentioned in some courses by name the a few minutes ago <hes> but if i asked you to spotlight three courses in particular that are listed on your map of hidden gems. Which ones would you throw that on yeah. I mean i can definitely up there but since we really kind of wrapped about that let's let's just not how we say ravage slow in chicago. One of my favorite dolorous used to be private and is now just one of the coolest public tracks you can you can play at he's got his grand old clubhouse and feel like you're at a private club but it's super affordable and part of classic americana ask golf history three in this industrial town really love that spot gray kinds like forty two seventy two bucks yup exactly donald ross. Yes it is it's it's one of my favorite <hes> and the other two. I mean one that totally stands out to me is vista links. It's a modern horse. It's it's in the middle of nowhere. <hes> virginia tucked into the blue ridge. It's basically like a links course on the side of a mountain in it's just it's it's beautiful went cheap and wild and scruffy anders dilapidated farm houses and exposed rock cropping in its just accidentally a really cool design nine <hes> saying it's so much fun and it's beautiful and they they don't allies places. They don't know that they're they're just in their own little bubble middle. They don't quite know how cool they are. Yeah <hes> so five to fifty five bucks so so yeah in a real l. sense of humor there and it's just it's that they haven't changed the blatas out of the cabinet you now since the early nineties is just fantastic. Yeah <hes> and i would say one of my other other favorite that we just explored this year was norte even golf club. It's nine holder designed by william styles. One of the great underrated golden age architects milton nineteen sixteen sixteen in it's. It's on an island off the coast of maine. It's like a two hour ferry to get there and it's just rustic in wonderful and it hasn't been touched in one hundred years ears and it's got hold on ocean and cool tee boxes on top of granite boulders and it's just relaxing charming in an unassuming and it's on this island that you know it's a place for wealthy families and locher main to just kind of stay off the grid but the golf course reflects that that that vibe it's super high quality tons of patina and it's untouched and really really a special day very cool so if there was one quality not that you could cite as almost always ruining a golf course early experience. What would you say that might be sure. I mean it to to me. It's conditioning or even the like the quality of the architecture. It's always about the vibe for remains <hes> if you're treated when you walk in the pro shop like one of the locals and it's just no big deal and they don't have to tell you one hundred roles and they they trust you and turn you have respect for their place and you you feel like you've been coming here. All your life like that's that's the ideal ideal by and just to be almost left alone once you're on your adventure in the course <hes> so you you know hawkish rangers or pretension or what are you doing here. You're not from around here or displaces so special. Let's make you. I feel like your less than worthy of being here. I mean those are things that that route and i think that's probably a unilateral statement across all like minded friends of arse yeah. No one wants to confront that at all in any aspect of life does and if there were just wrapping this up if there were three things that you wish more golfers did more often when they they do t- that <hes> <hes> what would you say those are in other words. Are there things that you do. You really find joy from <hes>. When you play golf that you might not see your friends or others do yeah <hes>. I you know i'm always pushing this idea that just just drive another thirty forty eight minutes an hour or two to play someplace you've never seen before and they individuals nine hole like you know it's of course two minutes away but it's eighteen holes and super super expensive and it's going to be really slow around. Wouldn't you rather have just driven another hour in play a country nine older and is that a different experience if you're if you have t see time at let's say <unk> more established course like bethpage black and you go into the shop and you ask starter or the guy behind the desk ask. Where can i go within thirty miles of here. That will surprise me it. Have you ever done that or would you recommend doing that. Yeah i mean i think asking asking like the assistant pro. They always have a good reputation for lunch thaad or like. Where do they play. You know like they're not offering bethpage every day. Where do they go okay. So maybe says red meat. He goes all the way to pass the bar. I don't know and i definitely think crowd sourcing. I mean the whole idea behind. This hidden. Gem project is to basically have a resource for people to kind of access that sort of local knowledge <hes> that we've cut our teeth bong <hes> and i would say the other two bullet points. I mean try to try to try to have set once in a while. You know if you are if you love walking hangings cake after clubs like you don't really need them all at the end of the day and it's it's so much more enjoyable not saying do it all the time i certainly don't but you you know taking taking half the weight off your shoulder definitely just frees up the experience and makes it a little more later feed and more enjoyable that oh you know a a an unintended consequence of that is it actually helps me play faster because a lot of time pouring over. Is this a seven iron eight iron. I i just have to be a little more creative and just executed move on so i love playing with a half set in sometimes i found you might play better late eliminating the paradox of choice and maybe like plain towards the lake safer of the two options <hes> nice to have some blame. <hes> you know a portion of really good crutch all right third. Oh yeah i always in a lot of times like arizona ourselves or i'm just kind of out on a little adventure. I mean i always do kind of back to your original point like making a making make the a priority like if i see the super go there and talk to them and engage with them and thank them and you know talk talk to the staff and just kind of thank them for i put in the hours and the time because this is like a truly thankful thankless job and you know the these guys only here kind of complaints a lot of the time especially the supers listen. I mean the true heroes out there making sure that we have places to play golf and and the deserve their credit that such a great message because i actually have sugarloaf towel that says only you can thank your superintendent and it's such a great message and it reminds me that that really does go a long way and these guys really are forgotten and they are the lifeblood of any golf course the guys take care of that course five a._m. And then ten pm those those the ones that really <hes> keep the dream alive so to speak no question well said in your last among your last ten dan rounds. How many times have you kept score two three three okay all right. Yeah i mean it's it's really i i do think having having a handicap in some degree is is is important. If you're going to be engaging in the gulf tweeted on on our large scale i mean it's it's it's as annoying as it is and maybe as <unk> to keep score nowadays. It's it's a benchmark. I think we all need when we go to participating local events <hes> but most of the time i mean i've just had a shot and keeping score is it's a it's a frivolous invention of of the game i mean it should just be you know. Matchplay should be a priority when you're playing with a group of buddies and if you're by yourself oh keeps your that's fine but just have on basically taken in the walker park yeah and and what's the biggest difference in in your experience france. When you play around where you keep score and then you play around with you. Don't keep score just mentally definitely. I mean it's when you're not <unk> even score. It's one less thing just like sometimes i you know we love taking photos. Some parts of hope even take my camera just it's it's eliminating those variables also in and taking you out of out of the enjoying just the actual pure experience which is just hitting a rock with stick and a field and that that's the core of the game <hes> keeping score. I feel like i got to put on a fancy golf shoes and count every putt and that that is stressful and it's it is interesting being at times to see like hey like. Where am i stack up kind of against you know the field or whatever or or old man par- <hes> but it's you know i i competitive golf all my life and basically like had a breakdown and had to just quit thinking about golf in those terms and enjoy it for you. You know what's really cool about it and that's robbery and exploring new places and travel and he needed to be outside with your friends yeah amen. I'm in the same boat. Wrote really enjoyed kind of talking about hidden gems. I know that when i play of course that i've heard very little about or nothing about if adds that extra sense of discovery and i'm finding this place even though there's a force in front of me and a force in behind me it's just it's it's really cool and then i love that <hes> that chance to really tell my friends about it i i. I think that's exactly what you guys are doing. On a much larger scale with your jet project so i'm looking forward to seeing how it evolves doubly and and again we've literally just fresh the surface there are hundreds of cool hidden gems out there and we plan to continue on covering those rocks fall schiffer loaf social clubs dot com slash his dash dash project beatable. Thanks so much for joining and we will be chatting having soon. I'm sure eventually i'll get on youtube.

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RTAB #120:  Wharton Sports Summit

The Business of Sports With Andrew Brandt

47:35 min | 1 year ago

RTAB #120: Wharton Sports Summit

"Contracts salary caps. Why do I were favorite teams make some of the moves? They do. It's usually the money. It's time for the business of sports with Andrew Brandt. And there wasn't goes. Welcome to another edition of the business of sports with Andrew Brannagh's, presented by bet. Online at AG, your online sportsbook experts exclusive partner podcast one sports net. Use promo code podcast one received the fifty percent. Sign of bonus today. That's bet online dot AG. I'll start you off with a rant and a second rant. First one is about Reuben foster the much troubled former number one pick of the San Francisco forty Niners. They they they tolerate a lot with him a lot of incidents, and there was one that they couldn't tolerance the last straw, Saturday night at the hotel Tampa Bay has a domestic altercation with someone who's had that before with his girlfriend in the hotel and he's flushed out of the forty Niners despite the Prussians currency expended a number one pick. He is released. It's amazing that he got the chances. He did of course is because he's number one because he's a talented guy and low and behold, he's claimed the Washington Redskins claimed him on waivers now. The Redskins are quick to point out. He's not gonna play. He's actually been placed on the Commissioner of Zampa list. He can't play gotta go through counselling. Gotta get cleared. Gotta figure out got approved the Redskins seek he's cured. All those kind of things the point is the Redskins took a chance because of his car is talent. They are seeing that town character equation in could not resist town is like a drug. Listen every team has a town character equation some teams allow for more loose character than others. And based on the Redskins acquiring this player. They are one of those teams now, I know they're going to say, yeah, we're going to follow the league and he can't play for us. So he's off the exemplifies any passes. All these clearances any might be suspended on the. But the fact is they claimed him. So they're statement by Doug Williams, VP player personnel to me is translated to. Yeah, we're not gonna play 'em. Now, we can. And he's gotta be a good boy. But when he can we got him we got him. And that again is the drug of talent that sometimes it's hard to pass by. By without even knowing the side effects, greater talented was greater tolerance that's true in sports and business and seems especially true with high round draft picks because they have that pedigree. And they're going to get that second chance third chance. If Reuben foster was down the line player. There's no way he'd be in the NFL right now. But he's still is albeit on the Commissioner exemplify will play at some point. I think for the Washington Redskins, and they'll be happy. He is because of his town not his character. Other quick rant about major league baseball. They become the third of the major four sports leagues to Inca deal with MGM resorts in this new world of sports betting in. Oh, what a new world. It is major league baseball. You kidding me? They the first Commissioner of the came into major league baseball judge Kennesaw mountain Landis came in because of a scandal involving gambling the black socks throwing the World Series. The White Sox through a shoeless. Joe Jackson nineteen nineteen they named a new Commissioner. They had to get control the game. Game establish integrity hired someone with impeccable credentials in that's their Commissioner. Then we fast forward to nineteen Eighty-nine Pete Rose, the hit king one of the greatest players in the history of the game banned from baseball by barchi Amata Commissioner at that time because he bet on baseball. He is now applied reinstatement to not one not two not three now four Commissioner still not let him but baseball which fought gambling in court in New Jersey for six years has now to deal with MGM and the Commissioner man for it is even talking about. Yeah, we get so many stopped is in place. What time between pitches? It's a great in game betting opportunity. What here's what we are now involved in with bedding. It is a new world is not your father's sports leagues anymore. Betting is legal betting is not taboo and commissioners are embracing it. And the thing note is of the four major sports leagues the one that has not inked to deal with casino is the NFL which still maintains players camping casino. Which still has had this integrity factor about casinos. Even while placing a team in the MEK of casinos in the country, Las Vegas again. That mixed message is some would say not just some mixed messages obviously hypocritical. But that's where we are with the with M MGM, that's my rant. It's really something that we've been fostered continues get chances and MGM signs of baseball after signing up the National Hockey League. And I the National Basketball Association MGM is becoming a staple of pro sports leagues, which you could never say years ago. Oh my God. What a difference. If years makes what a new world it is for sports gambling, forget to the interview, which is really a speech. I gave let's talk about simply safe. I think it's a great holiday gift. It's a home security system. All the tech deals come out during the holidays. But this is the best one you can make SimpliSafe dot com slash brand. You get an amazing holiday off. They really do anything like this. But doing it just for the spot cast. Simply safe is a great protection for home in family. You don't sign a contract, no hidden fees. 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School at university of Pennsylvania their business summit last week, though, we face time with backers that is going to be. Grabber? For one base of franchised, another being their higher. Are. A learning events. How we handle? Has situation the end. Three years. Three years. I had manage. Sort. Replacement is room. Young or. And this was my responsibility that agents. Themselves wise. So on it take you inside. What what is really going on with them? A transitional change volley moment. One happens Ambriz going to happen going to happen to these generational layers. Marches on. There's no force that hasn't. And. I was a I was very failed. I went to Stanford and I got to play on Tennessee. Now when I say that in GRA gracious because we had an eighteen against UC UCLA. It'd be team zone Oregon c team played or as I was like on GT. I played against Nevada. Reno. Humboldt? Steadiness? Okay. Plays reno. Let it in. Let's do this like what's this? We're gonna go play. But from the way, I suppose nothing whether you've ever seen on TV. I went to tournaments in Colleen Texas and live troubles, Louisiana, Davenport, Iowa, and maybe three people four people stance girlfriend. Online. With start on Monday. I lose by Tuesday. Off to the next site. But I wasn't sure small running downfall. I got as high as maybe twenty eight hundred in the world. So that six months of this I go I go I want you doing went to two loss, and I did have hedge. I'll admit that. We're business edge. Home to Georgetown, long from Washington DC, and I gotten into further mission. So made in the back of my mind. I'm like, oh, this tennis thing going workout always got law school. And that's maybe why only got twenty eight hundred. No. The poignant moment for me came like seventies later. I was an agent. I was reading player university of Illinois Champaign Urbana pick up the school paper. It says tonight at the center, a satellite. I'm like I played on that tour. Awesome. I out there. Here's a look out on that. That we're seeing. Saying. So the guys that I was grabbing around with twenty two twenty three twenty nine thirty. And two thousand four hundred five hundred eighty two hundred. Instead of making twelve a year making fifty six. They're still doing it. So we went out for beers. Does do look at me. Like, what are you doing? Why did you leave? What'd you get real job? And I said, well, I wouldn't good again. They will get better. And it just occurred to me this helped so much and dealing with far was never gonna leave rightfully so. You're elite athlete once you step off your in the wind. There's too many and every sport. They're going to pass about. So these guys weren't getting off the train until they had like, what are you gonna do over thirty three? A good job a touring Kroll of a job a HAMAs in the winter. Because it's such a drill sports is such an emotional attachment. I speak to so many people that come up. This coach this coach didn't buys against me. I'd be in the pros. I get. What's his raw? It's emotional. It's going to dry ways other. I get why negotiations both on the agent's side the team side or like. You get the player involved. You're get some serious. The Packers went I I'm an agent. I come into the Packers. They said, hey, you're nice guy agent negoti with you directly. I mean agent enter on this view and do this. I walk out of room like this'll be cool. I'm more more skilled steal Akers. Nice. Player. I learned. Experience as the worse. What I've just said they is raw. That's all you're telling a twenty five year old. He's not as good as he thinks that he's not as good as the guy Detroit or Denver, Dallas, Miami Dade. Why did they can hire their fire than you think of me? What's your deal? Some of these three times my size saying this in my face. Good experience special ingredient, so fishbowl, and so small I see these guys wise frenzy. Enzi everywhere. One movie theater. The teams. So it's like you. So I'll never do that. I learned you come here. You want new me? Nope. I wanted to agent. Agents are great offers agents are bothers between the team and the player. Goshi overall. Again, I learned I'm like, I'm not doing. I'm a skilled negotiator done for twenty years. But no, I'm not. I don't want to hear ties. I don't want to hear. I want to hear. So I was aged school. Experience for me. There's a big firm Washington no longer that represented at that time a lot of players on where they do mean. For playing DC junior tournaments. I knew them they took a chance on an unpaid intern at Georgetown law. Come in about ten suck. Did a good job. I guess my third year. Real wealth firms not sports firms. I get a couple offers. I make a decision. Do I go into real law or do? I work with pro serves or it's and all my friends. Yeah. They wanna hang out with stuffy lawyers wanna hang on with cool athletes is choice. But even as young guy realized maybe. Maybe I realized that if I turn away of law to go into sports, which is not sophisticated. We over. I'm sort of turn my back on being older. I really. I was okay. But that's a decision. So I went into the sports Pap started. As a tennis Representative started representing tennis players, and you do that you're hurting thirteen fourteen year olds at the armed fold Miami. And what that means is your. Parents. Beach. So I did that for a while. But then again opportunity I saw down the ball gun. David David represented raid basketball players and head just two years ago. Sided George was coming up with Nike Air Jordan, by the way projections for year one for Air, Jordan. We're like sixty five million dollars and sold. Eight hundred fifty million your one. I'm like to work for him. Because he needs help. I didn't tell them this verte tenants. I'm done playing the watching dealing with his kids in their streams, God two lessons. They said. Okay. So I moved down all same firm working for data. And here's the opportunity. I saw look for that that I said so David is all invested in NBA all any should super it hatrick Ewing and all the guys that I got to work with from Baltimore, Reggie Williams. Ready Lewis, David Wingate favorite. That gut is humming. Mosey Bove's five deals. And let this is cool. But the opportunity was football because David had no time we have Hugo players languishing practice, let's develop. So I developed over my six years there are five to ten fifteen twenty letters. I'm the football. I love football. Sure. Washington Redskins every week. No, it was just the opportunity. So I'd go to people and then I'm doing a contract with Mike Lynn head of Minnesota Vikings. He looks at me after the deal. Look me up. So look me up on says to me speak Barcelona. With that said. Yeah. Two is. Well, sure. Yeah. I tell you. I are Salone dragons what's that? Starting a new league in for the awesome. We're going to introduce football from the global. Okay. I'm young. I'm single. Okay. I'll do it. Move for the first time I've been a couple of these from labor players to men. Three months before winning day. I had no stadium status coaches know players. What are we do this to our we've got these assistance be great leg? This guy p Carolee be good. Got Tony Dungy Cup. So talk to that. Andrew so bowl. But no way. Not going to Spain career. I'm from Spain. Boston College is the coach. Great years of Louis and everything Ben if our Jack Bicknell, I go to Boston my life on my kids. Great. I'm like, your heart is great. He says since I'm like you want to be no they're higher. I got trader staff. The unlike hired wanna meet them. Time for that. You like, yeah, they're good. That would go to Florida token product protests one thousand players, I asked my info people. These guys are pig eight we have five days of training camp in Winter Park. Florida five days, I gotta tell forty eight. It can't come to Spain. Some of them were Spanish. Your. We get on a plane instead football team in a week. Teams complained about it one time screw that. Team coaches every go. Spain are marking the plane says Andrew we have sold. We're ten days to open a so we have sold one hundred and seventy three tickets. The whole forty thousand. Good. Oh and spending walk a Hello. So we're in crisis mode ghetto tell them. We gotta put night tables pillows at the end of each bed. You know could never get enough food. Come up more. I order food for sixty is always gone after twenty. I never aid. There's so league. Nursing people. Like that said. Yes, Moore who never have. But the key meeting. I got in my career. I've never out bigger being. I get a meeting with the gentlemen, drew. One of the great brands and the night before game. They're and in front about hundred thousand people we just want to ten thousand. I say when he does do at halftime. What do you do? What do you mean? What do you do what you mean? What do you do go in? And he actually said this. We smoke cigarettes. We go out there and run kick the ball say tomorrow night. Stadium or his versus. He said we still smoke. Yes. So let's do it. They said that next morning. It's a month's this audible their of the Spanish guys. We don't play today. To raining. I have to get Paul tattoo on on them. Surfable just say we're pulling we're playing so again game. And then I'm like, oh my God. Show Ican dozen people walked in that door. Thank God for the asthma. Thank god. I have about six thousand tickets. We had eighteen thousand gun and there have fun. So then worried about the product first house. This. You're gonna have to get the ball hit the title of the same pattern extra tackles touch of yours. I'm. The crowd is like like golf. In case, they go. Never forget that. We're not in Kansas. Oh my God. All the wrong times the entire. He did the old lace on the entire. They had no clue couple games. We sorta let let's just see how plays. Oh my God. And I said at third game. I said all right. We're having a meeting that's a. We are not arguing forget. Forget touchdowns running backs. Quarterback. We are going to sell three hours. That's a they don't care. Don't care. So I have fanned committee think Andrew, no more meetings. No more meeting where meetings play than you meet. They don't like meat said there. I go to my coach screaming we run. So we're having meetings. We're done. Let's sell three hours are the marching bands heard too much. Jewelers in there. Hire entertainment. Called frisbee goes. Four during the games where everyone before. Five thousand for the whole year. Crap. So we did we made it work. So many stores all that arsons lasted two years ago. Your folded a bag of your to without our. That was. And I came back. I got back in business. This was a group called wolf associates. Higher the age of business. Doctor Jedi magic Larry Bird. All guys. Unfortunately, the -firmative wife. Soldiers in Boston run. I ran the football basketball side guy, Bobby ORR, rain hockey side out of school. So I was working. Vessel. Fires for few years in the late nineties. The guy was working with most was a running back university of Texas. Great contact along store of his name is was raking leaves. Ricky was a baseball player pro in the suburbs. But I was starting to come good football. Then of course, you became the Heisman Trophy the best thing. Those hottest thing. Sports time. I got dreadlocks had I had a watershed on my. Ever over strange kid rate. Rape. Three months of working with them start hanging around. Brickwork? Finding Tony they work for someone master p hoop. Rapper. Started big sports wants to be got. So go with them. But I want you to go with me to be. I said, I don't think that's my. I mean, just meet him. So mean, PD master was named is personnel. And he's ghetto. It's like an episode on. And I'm like, okay, go she'd all these deals for football basketball, women's sports. He's going to take over the world. This is kind of a risk. But are my wife. I think I'll be working for this masterpiece. Go back to my agency there like you'll have bricky. You don't have a job. I'm sure that's. So. Exact same time. It's having Zach saying this is a slice store or lender. Closes wonder opens. I get a coffin agreement actors now I had client air just retire last year eighteen year career. Third-string quarterback that time they met hassle. I'm like I can't do. I got masterpiece. They knew. But we're not calling about estimate Wave Home. Mike Holmgren our coach just went to Seattle Seahawks to run the team. Sorry to hear that said he took Ronco. He took a guy that ran the whole business operation to see us. To see that. They said, how'd you like to switch sides? I said he green. And I have players on Packers of years, and they said you ever next week. We join working with you. I said let me come up there from Austin, Texas aid, Greece degree bay ten degrees. Degrees. And I'm very direct. I said to them please take offense of gla- pecking here do this job. Said offense ticket. Got to be here. So I started to. I agree those kinds concert MAC going, but you know, what what rival over ten years is really became this. I was the guy that was the Valance. I think everyone's ation needs this outsize horse. So on the one side of the business. What do we look like down the road talking? Now what look like twenty point. We're going to be half wise is they're gonna be if not what's going to happen. Long term how much money are we putting into these position planning? Planning on the other side of the -sition is the media, all of the coaches GM. Sometimes Andrew we need is player side on practice field. The game Sunday. So you're always sometimes you're the voice of caution. Cautioned the business sometime of football side, some such voice aggression to the business. I think we need we make. And as you know, the parents go out on her. I really felt like a working for public trust vice spent twenty nine on contract versus forty million. No one's really gonna know. Or be accountable. I had to feel like I'm working for the shareholders of this trust. I'm going to do right? Is an awesome responsibility. The magnitude of working for the as you have. Your owners g sets. Tell you the offer. So all the player contracts. I was doing executives players side. Now mentioned side. I get past VS agents. Exactly what they were talking about. I dealt with the league on all the league issues dealt with all managing the salary cap. I dealt with all player issues with team be grievances about injuries. Whenever find on field. Come in speakerphone. We've had the. Grievance with the league about appealing their finds all those kind of things so few players because there's disputes with the leaders with their agent with other players issues. And again, all these matters up sometime this guts on number one. Highest one year we had a bad year. And we've got a big draft when you're grabbed at that time. Readily complicated contract negotiations that was a player there. My small Enver strap weekend after he had already far car bought the house and to go back school. So then goes, you get very heated, obviously, some the ones with Brad. It was always a situation where you want to do the right thing with Kim. You have a massive calf number on this letter. You wanna resist temptation to bonus it out which is birth salaries of bonus to her great your cap for future years we've seen somebody teams trouble with this. And I learned from experiences round leave with John Elway for you. Mayor some new teams that were left with ten twenty billion dollars half holes because they. Or tired or left even today? Oh, twenty Cowboys cab while he was yes. We wanted to stay away from that. It was always he was nobody found seasonings Mississippi woods on fishing. Whatever is doing and one year. I really needed to do a contra light seven people lined up after him. But he is the verse he wasn't paying attention. They couldn't find. So I take planes transferred and up in Hattiesburg, Mississippi somehow go where no each lunch every day. Swings. The door of looks at me with shouldn't you? Accident. Playoff. That's all. He's a scratch golfer. So that was an experience that night. I remember like incoming were the house. So like. He ready and then Asian gets on. Well. Start. We covers. So we'll do it tomorrow. The first contract in the NFL was signed on the seventh hole of. That's where I go. Breath. You know patterns are not known for free agency base. I ever has got in Charles Woodson. By the way, when he's when signed gum field state, and you really don't see much of this history or it's UC player on the field with the best of the best and being. Of the moment that guy came on our field Woodson. He was our best returns of corner. News or best vendors are best tackled. Our best avenue. Ever seen about truly like John Elway Charles Woodson just beyond everyone else. Was a free agent and for some reason chasing, and we got in. And it was I was the longest month. Mine Goshi rear because four six thirty five days. He knew the only team really chasing them with any kind of money. Facts. And I knew you don't want to. So I like wake of every morning good negotiating guest myself. You just waiting for another taking. What's the problem to agent? Everyday goes, Andrew, Andrew any black people up there. I'm like, no. No, I'm Jewish. Made a work. And I'm selling the congress. Listen, Charles will get you want Michigan. It's a lot less diverse. And the town rapid south around all families. Crow. And I do. That's. So it was a long. And he finally said and gone there. And yes, it was a Justin period for ause was. Was opened always years, of course, has nobles. Some clashing going. She became such such a good player of the year spirits having troubles or shirk just because leader. So those stories you have. One of the story. Two thousand five here. We are. Okay. We saw two things happening. So I'm in the warmer and on the left in the is management. And on the right of me is coach. And we look at that board two things happen number one. Nobody's taking Iraq. Earth quarterback. I pick in the draft out. No one's taking a second, including John. Groom told him if you're there were taking you. Jim. We can't ac- deaf. There. We're looking at opportunity to take this guy. And the other thing happened is all the players. We wanted are going to. We wanted this guy with the Marcus where cop. Don. Kinda was take the markets where we all like going to table. First round grades one one era, and I've got the coaches here as we're pushing yanking pulling the co saying. Not take someone cool. Not help us this year. Do not take. I've got these guys. What are we always said trust trust? You're not doing in the seven round race to take corner of defensive on trust. Yes. Yes. And they're tugging. Why we? We had the most rural quarterback in history. Never got her. Never misses us. I said in a roster cats always like we need to everyone. Not to not great one. Right will never get her. So. Here we go. They're going nuts. They are that. Coach's live by the day. They're fired every year. Aaron Rodgers is not going to office that you're probably not an ex you're on the next year. Probably never. There. Okay. Get on clock. Joe is Andrew get along. And by him. I thought Mike. Good friend agent. Hello. My nose is Erin. Aaron is Enron. I talked to Mike. I felt so bad even sitting hours caterers around only one there on TV. I'm washington. And Mike is like Mary. Although my instructions were he on the phone twelve minutes. Fifteen minutes. Came on the phone don't say any. Like just hold on. Because we wanted to see that grant. Awkward reviews to trader we're like, we'll trade. Sure. Some. So for twelve months, I got the porches. Everyone rooms looking at me on phone steam. And the phone does not rain crickets. Nothing. No one wants. Says enter tone. And I'm like every time. I've watched the Packers all my God. If that phone, right? The National Football League with so much. That's. To number two. Sure. Some of it wasn't an office. So that is starting rotation. I spend the next three years managing these camps on bread side. Saw mean. Interest rate. Garoppolo you saw no one wants to go to work every day and see the replacement in office every day. Fred sighs Labus. Keys was true. Please. Never retired. Please train them. Managing this every day for three years a new breads camp. I just got this. You're our superstar by about them. Yeah. Win. And on the air and. To win. They're. And you just have to be professional. He honest as you can now at some point turn the keys over there. But you know, letting say something like that. And of course, tired I knew it wasn't really retired in back with a messy force and all that. But I think that was the moment between president and the future lay. Everyone is Asian sports. Are not goes through this right? Do us with the present. Or you more future. Focus. You have to balance that. We had an opportunity there to transition to keep it going. Look what happened this year? You know, the New York Giants now they had a some generation runback. That's the same thing at some point on from manning. They have no identifiable succession, we create succession by just. Lasted three years. Three long years. It was. And sometimes players you just don't know how it's going to turn out. You got to look at all of these issues when you're managing cab. It's not like individual contract negotiations with players because when you're an agent all you care about is your. When your agent I like to fantasy football, right? You don't care about team outcomes. You don't care. It's an age is like a fantasy. But a team is all about team. So I have players come and say can you do this for my contract? You love me. I do for you. Lines door. Every agent knows what teams are doing and every player those. So you do something you're gonna hear about. Really? So managing team was much more challenging to be age because you're dealing with roster to decide listen tell the coaches, hey, we have enough money. We'll do that you have to make all these things. Get. Player that picture down there. He had his team. He was the old player community leader beliving kid Darren sharper, I send my community for everything. Loved loved women. Mary are parents both principles Richmond's who. Ten years later sharper sense to life in prison for multiple drove grapes. You just never know. 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Rey Rivera

Unexplained Mysteries

43:17 min | 5 months ago

Rey Rivera

"Rivera didn't seem to have any skeletons in his closet. His wife trusted him so much that when she left town she didn't hesitate to let a female co worker. Stay in the House with him while she was gone then he went missing. If you enjoy these episodes on Ray Rivera be sure to check out. Podcast presents where you can find more special content related to love passion and desire for the entire month of February. You can hear dark and disturbing episodes from some of your favorite podcast shows like unsolved murders crimes of passion female criminals and many more follow. Parkas presents free on spotify and anywhere. You listen to podcasts. Due to the graphic nature of this story listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussion of murder and suicide that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen on. May Twenty fourth two thousand. Six Ray Rivera's body was found on the floor of an abandoned office right beneath a gaping hole in the ceiling. He'd apparently fallen from the top of the hotel. Next door crashed through the roof and died on impact but not a single witness had seen it happen at first. The police thought it was a suicide. But that story doesn't quite add up. Ray was a newlywed an aspiring filmmaker. He had no history of mental illness and he had big plans for the future. He didn't leave behind a suicide note. He didn't even turn off his computer screen before leaving the house beyond that he was terrified of heights in addition to land exactly where he landed. Ray couldn't have just fallen off of the roof. He would have had to take a running leap at a speed of at least eleven miles per hour if this happy mentally stable man suddenly sprint over the edge of one hundred ninety building. We have to wonder what was he. Running from? Welcome to unexplained mysteries Alpar cast original. I'm your host Molly and I'm your host Richard in life. There's so much we don't know but in this show we don't take we don't know for an answer every Thursday. We investigate the greatest mysteries of history and life. Honor you can find episodes of unexplained mysteries and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Or WHEREVER YOU LISTEN TO PODCASTS. To stream unexplained mysteries for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type unexplained mysteries in the search bar at par cast. Were grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know Howard doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network this week. We're doing a special one part episode on Ray Rivera. A film editor. Who died under highly mysterious circumstances? Officially his cause of death has never been determined but theories range from suicide to murder. Possibly at the hands of the freemasons or a cabal of illegal investors ask any of his friends or family and they tell us it Ray. Rivera was a happy lively. Well adjusted man at thirty two years old all the pieces of his life were falling perfectly into place in November. Two thousand five. He married his girlfriend of five years. Allison Jones around the same time. He quit his nine to five job writing for a freelance newsletter and opened his own video. Production company filmmaking was his lifelong dream and he was finally ready to go for it. So in April two thousand six Ray and Allison put their house in Baltimore on the market. They were planning to move to Los Angeles as soon as it's sold. But on May Sixteenth. Two Thousand Six. Everything fell apart that morning. Alison who was a sales executive left for Richmond on a business trip. Ray St home in Baltimore and Alison's friend Claudius State over for a couple of days to it's not really clear why Claudio was visiting all Allison has said on the record is that she was involved in her own drama. Whatever it was she and Ray didn't interact much. He spent most of the afternoon in his home. Office working on a video project that was due the next week at about four PM ray came out. The kitchen grabbed a snack and headed back into the office. Not long after his cell phone rang there was a short conversation. Which Claudia didn't over here but it sounded tense then raise suddenly hung up and ran out the back door a minute or two later. He came back in like maybe he'd forgotten his wallet. Then he drove off in Allison's car about an hour and a half later at five thirty Alison called raise cellphone just to check in. It rang then. Went to voicemail Alison. Didn't think much of it. She left a message asking him to call her back by the time she was getting ready for bed at ten PM. He's still hadn't called so she tried again. Still no answer at this. Point Allison was thinking. He must have just gone out with friends and left his phone at home or maybe his battery died. She still wasn't too concerned at five. Am The next morning. Alison woke up to the phone ringing. But it wasn't ray it was Claudia. Race still hadn't come home and Claudia was worried by now. Alison was starting to get worried too. It wasn't like rate it. Just take off without telling anyone. She called him again hoping maybe he'd pick up this time but there was still no answer so on the two and a half hour drive back to Baltimore. Alison called anyone. She thought ray might be with his friends family colleagues. No one had seen or heard from him in the past day when she made it home. Things got even weirder ray had left his toothbrush and retainer in the bathroom. Alison knew her husband and she knew that he always put dental hygiene. I so ever he was. He hadn't planned on staying the night finally at about three PM. Alison went to the police station and filed a missing persons report. Initially the police thought he might be out on a drinking binge or he'd skipped town to get away from debt or he'd run off with another woman but allison insisted that she knew her husband and this wasn't like him he wasn't much of a partier he wasn't in any serious debt. There was no reason. Why Ray would up and leave without even bringing his toothbrush. A week passed with no sign of Ray. Then Allison's car which ray had driven off in was found. It was in a parking lot on Saint Paul Street right next to the Belvedere hotel. The attendant remembered giving the car a ticket on May seventeenth the morning after Ray was last seen but he didn't remember seeing the Car Pool. In which meant ray must've arrive sometime after six? Pm The night before when there was no one on duty having found the missing car but not the missing driver. The police finally took the case seriously. Baltimore PD SCOURED. The area and a few of raise friends joined the search to. They decided to check the parking ramp of the Belvedere hotel since it was right next to the lot. Where Allison's car was found nothing was out of the ordinary until they got to the very top of the seven storey ramp. The hotel was thirteen stories tall and built in a U. Shape. The parking structure ran along the opening of the U. And in the space between a small two story building was used as an office space looking down from the top of the ramp raise. Friends saw something on the roof of that office building a pair of flip. Flops raise flipflops a few feet away laid a cell phone and wallet and right next to that a massive hole before long the homicide unit arrived on the scene and the concierge lead them to the office space which was vacant at the time the concierge and locked the door barely stepped inside then turned and ran. He sprinted down the hall down the stairs out of the building. He would never be able to forget what he saw inside. The police found the badly decomposed body of Ray Rivera. Clearly ray had fallen from the top of the hotel crashed through the office roof and died from the impact. The most obvious answer was suicide but people who knew ray weren't so sure for one thing he'd never shown any signs of depression or mental illness and he wasn't acting suicidal. In fact on the day he died. Ray had made very specific plans for the future that afternoon. He'd called a rental house and booked a video editing suite for the next week. He wouldn't do that if he was planning on killing himself in just a few hours. In addition ray had a paralysing fear of heights. According to Allison he was too scared to even climb a ladder to put up Christmas decorations of all the possible ways. He could have killed himself. Why would you choose to jump off a thirteen storey building in even if it was an accident? What was he doing on the roof in the first place if it wasn't a suicide and it wasn't an accident there was only one other possibility. Ray was pushed but police didn't have any firm theories about who could have murdered ray or why the search for answers started at the coroner's office. The autopsy confirmed that Ray died on the evening of May Sixteenth. Not long after he was last seen there were no injuries that couldn't be explained by the fall and no drugs in his system so no signs of foul play but he was so decomposed by the time he was found that it was hard to rule anything out from his injuries. It looked like ray had hit the ground feet. First which suggested he hadn't been pushed forensic physicist Rod Cross said that a feat. I jump usually results in a feet. First landing while a push from shoulder height would result in significant rotation through the air. It seemed like ray had jumped but jump doesn't really describe what happened. The spot where he landed was forty three feet away from the outer wall of the Belvedere. According to the Washington examiner to fall at that distance. Ray must have left the roof at a speed of at least eleven miles per hour. Ray was six foot five and two hundred sixty pounds so it's pretty much impossible that anyone could have pushed him with that much force. The only real possibility was that he took a running leap off the roof at nearly full sprint. The roof of the Belvedere is long and narrow. So it would have been possible but odd for someone to take that running. Start but again ray was terrified of heights if he suddenly found the courage to sprint across a narrow a thirteen story rooftop he have been running from something at the end of the day. Since it wasn't totally clear whether the fall was a suicide homicide or an accident the report marked the cause of death as undetermined. Now it was in the hands of the Baltimore police until there was an answer. The Ray Rivera case would be considered a murder investigation and the clues at the scene would only raise more questions than they answered coming up. We'll look at the strange set of evidence park cast listeners. We realized that there are a lot of par- cast shows to choose from each day and sometimes not enough time to sort through them all in our new feed podcast daily we filter through your favorite podcast series to highlight the most timely relevant episode premiering. Each day every Monday through Friday. Discover a new and captivating episode curated specifically for you. That's one new episode from our slate of content handpicked with you in mind. Time is precious. And we've got you covered. Follow podcast daily. Freon spotify over ever. You get your podcasts. You can check out more podcast shows and a full library of episodes on spotify by searching for podcast in the spotify search bar or by going to spotify dot com slash podcast. Now back to the story eight days after he went missing on May sixteenth. Two thousand six thirty two year. Old Ray. Rivera's body was found in an office next to the Belvedere Hotel. The autopsy report listed his cause of death as undetermined. His injuries were consistent with a fall from a tall building. But figuring out how he fell would be up to the Baltimore. Police who were still scouring the scene for clues one of the first things they noticed. Was that the roof of the Belvedere hotel was hard to access as a bit of background. The BELVEDERE is one of the oldest buildings in Baltimore and when it opened in one thousand nine hundred three it was one of the most glamorous beige brick walls a flat mansard roof terra. Cotta cornices endures a grand entrance hall a ballroom at the top floor with views overlooking the city for a while. It was the place to be for Baltimore's high-society but by the early two thousands it had been turned into an apartment complex. There was a bar on the main floor open to the public and the thirteenth floor ballroom was turned into a nightclub but the rest of the building was residence. Only the elevator doors wouldn't open without a key card and to get any higher than the tenth floor. A concierge had two key visitor in there. Were only two doors that lead to the roof one on the twelfth floor in the service area behind the old ballroom the other was on the thirteenth floor at the back of the nightclub. Both of these areas were staff. Only so once again you'd need a concierge or another employee to lead you through the roof to be fair. The BELVEDERE hotel wasn't exactly on security lockdown. Sometimes the concierge left the elevator unlocked and the doors to the roof were usually unlocked to since bartenders on the thirteenth floor often went up there to smoke but if a six foot five two hundred sixty pound man like Ray. Rivera wanted to get to the roof. At least one staff member must have seen him somewhere along the way but the police interviewed every employee at the Belvedere and none of them saw ray on the evening of May sixteenth or at least none of them admitted to it. The police took the building security tapes into evidence but they didn't find any answers because the entire day and night of the sixteenth was blank a technical malfunction had stopped the hard drive from recording anything for over twenty four hours on the specific day. That Ray Rivera died. It seemed a little too convenient to be a coincidence. The scene at the Belvedere was all in all bizarre but the strangest evidence was found at the Rivera House. Ray had left the desktop computer running when he ran out of the House and the screen was pulled up to a site with the local sunrise and Sunset Times. The police didn't spend too long speculating about what that might mean. Because taped to the side of the Computer Monitor. They found something totally incomprehensible a single piece of paper folded into a square and placed in a plastic sheet protector. It wasn't exactly a suicide note. It was some kind of type document addressed two brothers and Sisters Police Commander Mel Blizzard told. Wbal news it looked like a weird stream of consciousness writing or possibly a code. The letter mentioned a well played game and listed some of the current participants including Christopher Reeve and Stanley Kubrick. Who were both already dead at the time? It also named some of Ray's friends family and coworkers with a request to make them five years younger. Then there was a long list of recent inventions flash drives the Human Genome Genetic Engineering Bluetooth Overnight Express Shipping airbags. Wi Fi and muscle milk just to name a few along with the letter. There was a blank for the BANK ACCOUNT OF RAISE VIDEO PRODUCTION COMPANY. Seibu productions and the real kicker the letter began and ended with the phrase whom Virtue Unites. Death cannot separate a motto of the Freemasons freemasonry is the bread and butter of conspiracy theories. It's a secretive international society that countless powerful people have belonged to from Mozart to George Washington. So the suspicion make sense but the group mostly just does run of the mill philanthropy raise wife. Alison remembered that in his final few weeks. Ray had taken up a sudden interest in the masons on the afternoon he was last seen. He bought a book called freemasons for Dummies. And he'd also met with a member of the local Masonic Lodge to discuss joining. The member. Said there was nothing unusual about raise questions. They were exactly what you'd expect to hear from a normal guy who wanted to know more about the organization but a different theory came from police. Commissioner Fred Bielfeld. Who was a Master Mason? Himself he told. Wbal news based on what we've seen his interest in the masonic order was not to do charitable work. Somehow it was linked to his interest in the movie industry. And this theory that somehow there was control being exerted by the Masonic Order Stanley Kubrick. Who was mentioned in? The note is often accused of hiding masonic symbols in his films. However the symbols conspiracy theorists bring up are pretty. Ambiguous like pillars are triangles. So this could be nothing but smoke and Mirrors. But if masonic conspiracy did exist in the film industry or at least if ray believed in one it could explain his sudden interest in the group. What's less clear is how it was linked to his violent death. By this point two distinct theories were starting to form. The first was that Ray. Rivera had suffered a sudden break from reality. Climb to the roof of the Belvedere hotel and ran over the edge in a fit of psychosis. This is the easiest explanation except for the inconvenient fact that Ray had never shown any signs of mental illness. The second story was that ray had stumbled onto something. He wasn't supposed to know about to protect their secret. The freemasons and whoever else they were connected with had orchestrated his murder and framed it as suicide. This theory rests on the clue that was found with a cryptic ladder a blank. Check not for raise personal bank account but for his video production company on the day of his death. Ray was editing. A video for a group called the Oxford Club. It was a branch of the publishing company. He'd worked at up until the past November Agora Inc. Remember that phone call. That caused raider rush out of the House on May sixteenth just hours before his death. That call was from. Agora headquarters located four blocks away from the Belvedere hotel. Agora INC was an international publishing network with more than sixty subsidiaries. Which as of. Two Thousand Fifteen broaden a combined revenue a five hundred million dollars a year they mostly specialized in financial newsletters advising customers on which stocks to buy which countries had the best offshore bank accounts. And the like in. Its early days in the eighties. The company even had a newsletter called Tax Avoidance Digest. Not exactly on the up and up. One of a Gore as many publications was pirate investor which was run by a man named Frank Porter stands berry. He had no financial background whatsoever but he was a great storyteller and even better salesman. His readers trusted him completely on. May Fourteenth Two thousand two stands berry had sent an email blast to the pirate investor. Mailing list with the heading. Double Your money on. May Twenty second on this super insider tip writing under a pseudonym. He explained that in nine days the. Us and Russia would sign a nuclear arms treaty. One unnamed nuclear energy company stood to earn two point. Five billion dollars from the deal for the low price of just one thousand dollars stands berry with spill the name of that company so the reader could invest right before the stock rose. A lot of his readers. Took the bait and that single email made Agora Inc a net profit of over one million dollars nine days passed between may fourteenth two thousand and two when the email was sent and may twenty third the date of the alleged treaty during that time stock trading volume for the company stands berry named skyrocketed from an average of less than two hundred thousand shares. A day to over three point three million then on the twenty-third it tanked some of stands. Berries subscribers realized they'd been scammed complained to the SEC stanbury was charged with securities fraud. But while the case played out in court he kept running his business as usual in early. Two Thousand Four. He brought on a new employee. His childhood friend Ray Rivera Ray and stands berry had grown up together in winter park. Florida stands Berry recruited some of his friends from high school to work at pirate investor. And eventually the word got to Rai- he wasn't crazy about the idea of writing financial news but he and allison were getting serious and if he wanted to start a family he needed to save up a little nest egg. Stanley convinced him to come to Baltimore for a special thirty day project. Thirty days turned to ninety and then ninety days turned into a permanent full time position in December. Two Thousand Four Ray and Allison bought a house in the Baltimore. Suburbs and started putting down roots. It's not clear whether rain knew about the SEC complaint against pirate investor which was still in litigation. But he definitely knew. Something wasn't right about the company for starters. He was advising their readers on which stocks to buy but he didn't know a single thing about the stock market. Most of the stocks he recommended actually ended up falling in value and he hated thinking about all. The readers trusted his advice and lost everything. He could be ruining people's entire lives every day. Ray dreaded coming to work more and more Alison noticed. He wasn't acting like himself. He was having trouble sleeping. He couldn't focus on anything. Something had to change so in October. Two thousand five rate aside to bite the bullet and leave his job that autumn he opened up his own video production company while he built up his client base. He did some freelance work. Making promotional videos for other Agora companies including the Oxford Club. Like the rest of Gore's holdings the Oxford Club put out a monthly newsletter full of fake investment tips. It had been involved in its own scandal in late. Eighty s one of the stocks was pushing a company. Called Gold core turned out to be a complete hoax that had stolen at least fifty million dollars from investors. The newsletter's founder was investigated for mail fraud and money laundering violations and the government froze nearly seven million dollars of his assets. The case was settled out of court in Nineteen ninety-one and shortly after that the Oxford Club was acquired by Gora Inc. Meanwhile the president of gold core the scams stock in question was indicted for fraud just two days before his pretrial hearing he was found dead in his home he'd been shot in the back of his head. The murder was never solved. Gold KORS CO owner. Carl Martin spent nine months in prison and in nineteen ninety-three he was kidnapped by one of the investors scammed. Millions of dollars from. It's clear the Oxford Club wasn't just any mail in sweepstakes scam. They were dealing with danger for his first few months as a freelance videographer ray. Rivera didn't seem too worried about the company he was working for but in December. Two thousand five something happened that totally changed his perspective his close friend and fellow. Agora employee. Tom Hiccuping died in a car accident. Heckling wasn't Evangelical Minister and musician. Who wrote for one of Gore's flagship newsletters international living in December? Two thousand five. He flew Zambia to spend Christmas with his daughter. Holly who was doing relief work at a refugee camp. Tom and holly were driving along a two lane road a few hours away from the camp when an oncoming car hit them head on. Holly made it through with just a broken leg but sadly tom was killed. Officially this was a tragic accident. But for reasons that we don't know Ray Rivera thought there was something more going on his mother later said it was a very weird situation which Hicklin died and Ray God very concerned still for the next few months ray kept doing freelance work for a Gora while he alison plan their move back to L. A. on March fourteenth. Ray traveled to Delray Beach Florida to film the Oxford Clubs. Eighth Annual Investment University Conference. The video would be sent out to subscribers. Who couldn't make it in person. This was the same video project. Ray was editing in mid. May when he suddenly started acting strange as it turned out during the last week of Res Life. He was uncharacteristically anxious and paranoid but was his fear. Justified up next. We'll explore whether Rivera was murdered by illegal investors. Now back to the story in the week leading up to his death in. May Two thousand six videography Ray. Rivera was behaving oddly. He'd never been anxious before but in the days before his death his wife Alison noticed. He was unusually on edge. He wouldn't let her go anywhere alone. He even brought a book and sat on the bleachers. When she was doing her morning jog around the neighborhood track one morning about a week before ray disappeared. It was raining hard so instead of sitting on the bleachers ray waited in the car but he was still watching like a hawk and he saw a man approaching the track. Walking straight towards allison ray jumped out of the car and came closer to keep an eye out but the man suddenly changed direction and left when they got back in. The car. Allison was understandably freaked out. She asked Ray if he was okay and he responded that everything was fine. No need to worry but allison didn't buy it. A few days later on Sunday may fourteenth. The couple was driving home from church. Ray made a sudden phone call to stands. Berry HE PICK UP. So Ray left a message he said. Hey man coming back. I finally got it all figured out later. On when stands was asked about the message he claimed he had no idea what ray was talking about. The obvious explanation was that the call had something to do with the Oxford Club. Video Ray was working on the message. Itself wouldn't have raised any alarms if it wasn't for what happened later that night at one. Am on the morning of the fifteenth. The alarm system at the Rivera House went off. Ray instantly leaped out of bed and ran downstairs but there was no one there. The doors were shut all the windows and screens were closed and unbroken. When Allison came downstairs. She saw raise reaction as she later. Told a reporter. He had a look in his eyes. I had never seen before fear. Alison and Ray had been setting the security system every night. Since they'd I moved in nearly two years earlier and this was the first time the alarm had ever gone off. Even though there was no sign of an intruder they asked the police to come. Check it out. The cops took a look around and said it was probably just a squirrel that sounded insane to both Ray in Dallas in since their alarm was only triggered if one of the doors or windows were opened or broken into unless a squirrel had opened enclosed a window on its own. That wasn't what had happened the next night. In the early hours of May sixteenth. The alarm went off again and again ray reacted strongly. This time they're houseguest. Claudia was woken up by the alarm to and she didn't see or hear anything that might explain it either but once again nothing was out of place and if ray was worried about anything in particular he didn't tell allison what it was so life went on later that morning on May Sixteenth Alison left for her business trip. At some point in the day ray went out and bought a copy of freemasons for dummies. He had his meeting with a member of the local Masonic Lodge. He came home and sometime that afternoon. He called an equipment rental company to book an editing suite for the following week according to the man he spoke to ray sounded fine and perfectly normal but he had a tight deadline to meet since the Oxford Club conference was about stocks and finance. Some of the advice was time sensitive. If the video didn't get to subscribers in time it would be useless. It's not clear whether the project was taking way longer than expected or afraid just hadn't planned his time. Well one theory is that the video files might have been lost or corrupted and he just recovered them. Which would explain the excited called the stands berries saying I finally got it all figured out another possibility though is that he found something on the footage that gave him pause. Exactly what it was. No one can say but we know ray had a personal problem with a gorgeous business practices and we also know that. Agora was in the middle of a court battle that could end in a seven figure payout if ray had anything incriminating on video agora would have probably wanted to get it out of his hands as quickly as possible. That might explain why when the police looked into raise phone records they saw five calls from a Gore a headquarters on May sixteenth. The office used one central business. Line was a single phone number so it's impossible to know who was reaching out and no one at the company has admitted to calling ray even wants that day after the fifth call from. Gora sometime after four PM ray rushed out of the House and drove to the Belvedere which was just a few blocks away from the Agora building. There's at least an hour gap between when ray would have arrived in the area and when he parked his car in the lot which had to be after the attendant left at six pm what he did during that time and who he was with is a complete mystery. It couldn't have been stands berry because he was out of town on May sixteenth. It was most likely someone else said. Agora someone with less personal attachment to him than his old childhood friend. Probably someone in the Oxford Club branch which we know had a history with violent crime. But we'll never know for sure because as soon as raised body was found all of Gore's employees told not to speak to the police. Under any circumstances this only fueled suspicion that the company was hiding something in the first few weeks of the investigation. One of the two detectives on the case Michael. Baier told a local news reporter that he thought raised death might be connected to a land development deal agora was working on in Nicaragua. Mark Ford. The chief growth strategist and a Gora and Co founder of the newsletter. That became the Oxford Club partially owned. Twenty seven hundred acres of land on the Nicaraguan coast. The land was purchased around nineteen ninety seven and over the next two decades. It was turned into a luxury housing development and resort called Rancho Santana. What Ray Rivera had to do with this? Housing project wasn't clear if we were to speculate agores newsletter international. Living which the late Tom. Hicklin wrote for promoted Nicaragua as a tax haven for businesses and retirees the Oxford Club had previously been investigated for fraud and money laundering and during the last few months of Res Life. Agora was in the middle of another fraud investigation by the SEC. And of course. Ray had reams of video footage from the Oxford Club's annual conference that March. And who knows what he could have caught on camera but unfortunately we'll never know if this was the trail. Detective Bayer was on because three weeks into the investigation. He was reassigned to a different case. The Rivera homicide file was tucked away in the archives without any cooperation from Gora. Any witnesses or any real evidence of foul play the Baltimore. Pd didn't have much to go on a year. Later in two thousand seven stands berry was found guilty of securities fraud and his company pirate investor was ordered to pay one point five million dollars however his codefendant. Agora Inc was cleared of any responsibility. And that's the end of the story. No more evidence was ever found regarding raise death and Gora continues to deny any involvement. This tale of conspiracy and murder still has its supporters. But for many it's easier to believe the other explanation. Ray Killed himself during a sudden episode of psychosis as we've said before raise friends and family have always sworn that he didn't show any signs of mental illness. That may have been true but schizophrenia can appear suddenly and without warning even in people with no family history and no other mental health issues consider how Alison described raise behavior in the last week before his death. He was uncharacteristically anxious and scared. He seemed to think he was being followed. He taken up a sudden interest in freemasonry delusions of being watched or followed usually by some powerful secretive group. Like the freemasons are some of the most common symptoms of schizophrenia. Of course raise fears weren't totally out of line. He did see a man heading towards allison on the running track. The security alarm did go off two nights in a row with no explanation. He worked for a company that was involved in some very shady dealings and one of his colleagues had recently died. Under strange circumstances anyone in raised position might have drawn connections. That didn't really exist if he had a predisposition for mental illness. It wouldn't be surprising if those suspicions barreled into delusions. Whatever was said in that phone call on the night of May sixteenth might have triggered a full-scale psychotic break. Another clue lies in the strange note that was found taped to his computer. It alluded to a mysterious game and a complex conspiracy but there was no logic connecting any of it the FBI concluded that the note was probably written by someone with schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. This seems like the most believable explanation and in truth it might also be the scariest that this healthy happy man suddenly fell into a psychotic episode so severe that he jumped to his death that no single person noticed anything was wrong until it was too late. That something like this could happen to anyone. It's safer to believe that there's some outlandish explanation to the madness some powerful conspiracy to unravel. That would let it all make sense. It's much harder to accept that all we have tangled threads and speculation after fourteen years. Ray Rivera's official cause of death is still unknown. Thanks again for. Tuning into unexplained mysteries. We'll be back Thursday with a new episode. You can find all episodes of unexplained mysteries and all other park has two originals for free on spotify. Not only to spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy. All of your favorite podcast. Originals like unexplained mysteries for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream unexplained mysteries on spotify. Just open the APP and type unexplained mysteries in the search bar and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram. At podcast and twitter at podcast network. We'll see you next time. 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#045: Ricci Scholars 1 - Contrasting Cultures Thru Real Estate | Olivia Muszynski

Migratory Patterns

34:30 min | 10 months ago

#045: Ricci Scholars 1 - Contrasting Cultures Thru Real Estate | Olivia Muszynski

"From my gration media this is migratory patterns your host Mike Shaw Olivia Museum Isky owns the fact that she's still figuring out and it's apparent from the start when her aware is home is to be determined I think you will too so sit back relax enjoy my conversation with your Libya Muse Naski nation is home what began as an internal migration from the American south to blustery Chicago as quickly evolved into a desire to live overseas and her experiences in Roman Beijing have only served to whet her appetite for more a self professed nerd who loves reading the Tax Code She's been studying the differences between the real estate markets in the US Italy in China. Aw but I feel like I've still kind of stuck to that mindset never really wanted to go back to where I grew up in Bali in completely you know never been there before we are environment but it still felt like home because you know she's they're doing town where she was raised which she says feels like a memory but not like home and she's just start exploring the world trying to understand her place in it it just doesn't make sense yet to declare a single low key so it's kind of a combination of those two things growing up I always said I wanted to have apartments in every city I love ones nothing it could in college now and why graduate so new said where I always wanted to leave was that a popular mindset in school okay so I mean Home Israeli-born raise but for me I think as of now in where lived in one of done it's more relationships and Alea Museum sqi welcome to Migratory Patterns Inc you where is home will that is to be determined I think this who you're with and how it feels like an for physical place at least it's like the comfortableness of a city for me in our place now feels it usually happens is people migrate I really noted out with Libya during our chat and I think our angle on studying cultural differences through the shape of their real estate markets is fascinating as long as your mom if they're so so where is the place you're front where the journey began so I was born is part of her study abroad program and she's been discovering how financial systems fit the cultures at their in which opens up new avenues for standing between us it's a unique take on the learning in in Winter Park Florida right near Orlando Disneyworld no did not live in Disneyworld but grew up there does that doesn't really feel like home I mean it's memory but it's not old but I was talking other day like a my mom can visit recently in we were actually third generation which so wenches in high school data into all that and I always knew I wanted to leave it was a very small community in like we stayed there you're kind of stuck there so first thing I did after I graduated high school when St for college and then new I just wanted to travel as much what brought you to Beijing so I've been doing international research program through the university now kind of half doing research with and it's just the way it is there's no incentive or need to changer innovate matter of fact there's forces against whereas you come over here things and it just works that's like the relationship part for me but then having just an environment that you love and thrive off of school you could be and have the energy there you know you don't see we are things you don't have your things happen to you I feel like areas more opportunity in Beijing too her real estate there is no new building or no new developments anywhere just because you stick to the plan was set like hundreds of years semester so you so went by the time has done you'll have been overseas for two full school semesters yes so different countries different countries and I he I hated it I hated it so love the cold your interesting so now you are here in Beijing that's an interesting observation because here in Beijing these act opposite things happy they have the thousand year old plan that's been laid out but they are Royal Chicago so Chinatown from two o'clock from the Sunny Florida too brutal cold is actually a draw for me I wanted like living in that my work through it that I got a job but you start one semester in Rome and then the next semester in Beijing so this is the second so you've already done it place where they do uber preservation and now you're in a place where you're kind of lucky if they preserve a WHO on the way it's been the last century otherwise yeah and I definitely feel about living in Rome everything you know preplanned since ancient Roman days so yeah I mean there's I mean love Beijing way much more than role which is a shock to everyone by this why would you say you like Beijing more Mike Experience my experience in limited to several trips but a buddy of mine who's been on the show he talked about his time of year he spent several very different. I don't think anyways good or bad but here in China we seeing how much development there is it's the arts one next to the other as you lay those out one after the other you get natural alleyways which they are now called who taught so you just rows and rows of these narrow now really now most people wanNA stand most people want to stay in just you know be with out now let's comfortable I guess but yeah so the way to go to college alleyways that are basically just spaces between these old courtyard homes and that's where you get this unique layout of the inner city of Beijing doesn't occur anywhere Z. but it's like the opposite of the American dream now you want apartments everywhere exactly yeah so you want to be an older back rush inches -ly within that framework trying to get rid of the stuff that the parts of it they don't like building up the big shiny buildings exactly what it was so you're in at home around as well and if you imagine a scenario where people are building homes as for walled structures courtyards with it's it's more alive than Rome Romans someone decides times living in a museum and is just kind of just if they are sanitizing you that is a completely flipside situation so what are you you said he'd like Beijing more there's less preservation how do you square that with your developed but still trying to keep the WHO Tom Looking Architecture area very retail you know just consumer base and in makes Beijing Beijing today in my head because we know new go to shop highlight there's similar looking communities but you know it's not the same feel it's not as it is an outdoor mall that has been built to have these kind of alleyway like structures between the different sections and is very specifically designed the whole mindset of the population everywhere around here is how do we get better how do we change our we innovate how do we grow which is a much different mindset in the West little bit or at least try to try to trace a line from the I really WanNa get Outta here you in high school imagine you start thinking that too now eight years they are just bouncing around our jobs learning about living in other places and he said that he likes Asia a lot more China who's been yeah and now I feel like we were just we were awful Jane yesterday just to check it out and it was interesting to see how the deep I guess who tons very very unique to Beijing China and for people who don't never been here know who tongues are in us after Rome since they stick with Oldfield Kinda keep the old feel which isn't bad in its romantic away the cobblestone streets like the twenty five years of course he likes it more but but he's one of the things that's different is if you're in Germany Germany's example everything's been developed their system is developed in your own brain that's an interesting question so I mean in my own brain it it's interesting because Don's it's very cultural in that scanner you had that idea what if everyone in your cohort in your school is is it's not a popular thought we gotta get Outta here why do you think you have that feeling the thought like I mean if I haven't seen it or experience at how I like it or not and honestly I would have never chosen to come to China over here out in the world and you Kinda WanNa go back or you WANNA find a way to come back here can you talk about a little bit about why you think that is that when we migrate internally in America we have this into common story you know what you see in the films movies but then when you take that extra step to say no no no I really home it's like you have that but everything is very preserved to be like how it wasn't Asian Day so it was it in China was first laid out thousand years ago there people built their homes around wells and dig well bill build a four wall kinda courtroom I don't know I this is not an uncommon trope in in American culture of people like I gotta get Outta my small town but it is always interesting when we especially China so I guess in that sense it was a development from that but I just always wanted to travel no matter what no matter where coliseum everything but here you can just tell it's like alive and breathing now so I i Kinda WanNa backup it is new glasses all global brands but it's the old Fiat exactly having that feeling dacians definitely refreshing it's good 'cause they're going with the future Ford of the world but I mean I think so keeping who talks alive that's important I reckon they really record I am Saturday leaving soon but it's shown me how I feel like if you can do China you can really go anywhere I feel like I have evoke the WHO tom feel at as a huge tourist attraction and celebrities go they are movies are filmed there it's everyone in the country knows this place because the driving between states you drive between countries right but it's actually very similar scale to the same kind of driving distance yeah I mean I always it on a map it looks profound on the hit list your China now I mean looking back it was a bit profound I mean any move scared his famous moll used to be called the village and now it's called a tycoon leads in the air kind of foreign district of Beijing called Sanlitun and I want to do that if I could do it you know just questioning yourself but it was the best part I wish it was a full year China honestly could plug into the community and by the way everyone else who's there is doing the same exact thing so we're all very much trying to connect and establish the same things But I have always wanted to go to Thailand since I was a kid I wanted to go but decides that never had a strong interest in Asia white so differently I've I've gone from China down to Indonesia in Bali and people have asked while is that gonna be crazy or yeah I mean it's maybe it's not so much going to China maybe it's if you can come to a place is as different as you can make it here it really makes it earn lived anywhere except my hometown so I'm wondering what was the change like when you went from Florida Chicago did it feel profound his knee kind of living out that goal and that dream that I had and I was more proud of myself for getting out honestly not anything against that I want to and I feel like I don't know if that's so much the same type of thing within the US because beginning I knew not staying states moving around states type situation I thought your family oh there's so much culture you know when the chance came up to do international research and the second part was China's a bit skeptical at first like I don't know WanNa Migrate Yeah and now you have this feeling upstanding our side I'm wondering if you can if you thought about that was an evolution that happened did you think you always wanted how your experience said the desire to keep going to new places you know what I mean so when you got the Chicago what were some of the changes that you noticed not just the the is it's key to there it is key I definitely think they would ever get rid of them but it's funny there's a you're making me think there's will I mean the biggest thing for me not culture rice vote was whether that was something stupid exciting's servicer you scared or worried about that I had to say no because I know how to do this like having done the move from the US to China in in the beginning but honestly I I was ready a looking forward to be on my own for the longest time moving away so if you're a big city as opposed to we have a small town by what were the cultural differences what were the ways that people interacted -mongst each other that were different that you liked or didn't like having that experience yet at the new place I need to establish relationships may need to develop an emotional support network in professionally actually in the the the population lives there yeah so when you move when you moved I say move did move for store semester when you moved over I was ready and it was exciting great time but we're now when you got there what were some of the differences and I WANNA relate this I'm doing this the whole Florida Chicago grew up because Orlando like you see in national you know it's not that small and a lot of people who just haven't even traveled outside the US and my feeling said just coming from a different type of small town where it was the Chicago suburb and very much smaller travel just seeing more of a homebody type of mentality so so maybe more diversity not in the crowd that's passing through the having does wrapped up a year abroad as part of the Ritchie Scholars Program her idea of home right now it's all about relationships and experiences she's a couple of years removed from the life in the small Florida contacts I'm GonNa do it all from scratch but I've already done so but once you've done it you realize oh there's a system there's a method to because only related to the Takada chains you went through Italy and here conventional unpack this this migration mindset that you had and I'm kind of interested in robbery at a great childhood is just more like I just been creating after so long I guess in finally doing that I just I wasn't that scared because I knew really it's hard to say because the program we were in was very lane eum very different it it was like do I think culturally I mean it was very more laid back culture and I feel like the people who I met there they did have a different minds ah if this program do not push me to go here it wouldn't have been the first my list would have been something like Oh i WanNa go to Beijing to see Tiananmen Square or something like that wrong was that something that that you recognized and were drawn to or like what was the what would the differences you notice there between the US and and Ilie something foreign and Chicago the most foreign you can think of at the moment and now you're overseas better it was definitely a development I mean it's almost like the New York thing you made here make it anywhere yeah which is which is quite reductive yeah you can if you can go to a place that is not too much of an academic bubble and feel less of a bubble here in China yes why is that because it's I mean three closed off from I feel it would would actually feel like to live as an ex pat in Rousey fell about academic bobble yeah it was the people know about your experience in what it's like in compared the west to the east I mean completely different continents and cultures and the the actual city you have to be integrated so in Rome there was no interaction with actual and then write a thesis published so so the program is designed to send you overseas yes and what's the listen you apply through your own idea for what you want research so it's completely independent you choose what you want and you're just passion or full passion you know so it's really up to the person but it's I mean to basically live ow just so then goal at career oriented I wanNA do something career oriented but a lot of people in the group it's half career half is program what is this program so it's through Loyal University Chicago it's called the Richie Scholars Program it's a your junior year of college and you do a semester in Rome and then a semester in Beijing are actually changing it now though so we are the last group there's only six went to the University of Justice Program just to get into this program so I think it's a great opportunity for both the student and the university so this isn't just going alien students in that awful but here it's like we know Chinese students refunds with them and I mean we oh you did this study in Rome which we can call a fully developed Western economy and you've done research in China which is what is the purpose like how do you do so you've got your field of study and then you say I wanna go studied this thing in these countries yeah it doesn't even have to be released I'm right back and talk about this hey everyone if you like the kinds of conversations that we have here and migratory patterns checkout pop abroad host Michelle of your study that's outside America I have studied a commercial real estate investment and taxation so some signing seeing new things and I in the academic way and perspective in bringing that back to the US I feel like to just the city better we know we just have a better understanding what it is to actually live in a city like this compared to Rome this program you've referenced is on a mission to help ex-pats in migrants their best lives overseas by talking with the people who are doing it right now during the first season she's talking about community why we need it how we can learn more and hear the latest episode at Migration Dot net would just search for pop abroad wherever you get your podcast all right we're back Olivia you were telling me that you're in have I guess people would relate finance to culture but that's how I've seen this project because I took a investment vehicle the to be fair Beijing is pretty well developed but it is a developing country in emerging mark emerging markets so what are the things you looked at and what are the trends that you saw use it to get up and how the best community leaders make there's work listening she interviews the incredible women who are killing it overseas to hear how they're creating community and their adopted homes everyone most people are probably bored by it I love reading the tax codes and going through the different types of investment vehicles and either I think it's great program for the university to send kids and do that because I mean one of the people in our group he actually owning laws coming through the state budget so you're my kind of weird I appreciate it so this is I'm interested in the things you've seen so laws with preservation are so strict if they find I was talking to this developer and he's like yeah we found this really small artifact when we were building being in completely shut down all investment lost and that's a lot of money sometimes in it's a high risk for investors to do that so that mainland Chinese properties and investors are seeing that and they want to establish a vehicle here but it's hard with regulation obviously last night through whatever it's good fern investment but I mean the government obviously is a huge factor in China so I mean seeing that in Italy and how that yeah exactly so very much that type of business culture where here it's a lot of people lobbying pushing for a series like China where it was an attractive to people and also just like I was saying is ancient city there's not new developments and even if they try and redevelop things the also in Rome the I mean it's interesting because the trends I saw both fit the culture equally and its financing it's kind not your major or what you're studying are what you're looking into I mean a lot of people kinda just even do what they're really passionate about or what they love is kinda thrown out into each city in just research topic you're doing your thing yeah cold call you know email just do your thing make connections and overseas to take some classes like a Chinese language to learn Chinese semester in China now this is actually focused on a field of study exactly so what is your field of study it's different just from there yeah just from there in in Italy it was basically they overtaxed the investment vehicle to the point individuals who are investing these projects and they fail that's not something the government can just absorb exactly that causes social unrest and that's why it's taken is commonly used for investment because it's not the re what are the differences between the methods that we use to drive financing and equity into real estate development so long because they are trying to formulate the right legislative taxation code for this so they're able to have obviously the most control relates to their culture and also very you know more laid back you know we'll get to it after lunch and we're GONNA break break coming up dynamic that's happening here but it's not new dynamic back home exactly yeah so you've done this research now and you've discovered these differences and these from a really high up CEO I mean it's it'll be interesting to see where it develops in the next few years makes it very exciting yeah does this is something new and not because it's the counterparts in Singapore and India I'm in Hong Kong are performing extremely well especially those that invest only in then just trying to get enough support but mostly it's timing and as we were talking about before it's GonNa be used here Moore's the Social Ah Times I wanNA hear a lot more about it because that's kind of one of the reasons that I've I've been really each to talk to you but let's take a you need a drink there let's take a break we'll take a breath ticket drink mm-hmm yeah it's it's very interesting but it's been great being able to research a here and talking to industry professionals and seeing what they think is the real estate investment trust in the US and I observed what the counterparts of it looked like in Italy in China and then what they changes between the culture and how it shapes the financing vehicles in the investment culture you've noticed these differences what are you havoc public works projects cross rail project they would have their tunnel boring machine and you'd have to stop the whole thing when they come across some artifact as you should invest in real estate well we in the US has a common person can invest in these real estate funds through big financial institutions and you can take party lean gonNA bring this to any career with me not only just the technical side of it but being more empathetic to understanding different who the chairman's and the government here in China and she's like they want this they want this here so being able to hear that I guess I second hand it's just yeah as you should yeah it's important but it it just adds investment hostile yeah in a place like China where they don't care quite as much no they city and country and it's exciting for me actually I I've been I've been I've been involved in the past life I was involved in local politics readings somewhere else anywhere else it's yeah so one of the things that I noticed in myself and I've only talked about I wanna be out here yeah somewhere outside the US I already have a job though in commercial real estate kind of establish so I mean it's a great place to get my feet on the ground you feel like this is made you more interested in moving overseas or is this just been an affirmation like I'm kind of wondering if only get in to the community and then shoot off from there so do you feel like this research project you've done over the last year waiting in our development and our urbanization rather than we need the money to build this 'cause that's not an issue the flip side the dangerous part of that is if you involve lots of people in roll factor rather than a tool for financing so it's GonNa be a way for the common person as you could say the relatively common person true when dealing with business abroad in knowing how different customs are in just in businessman the US versus at least yes so that's interesting things not equity in China it's all debt so it it more American and more patriotic about my home country and my culture now that I've lived outside it for so long do you nation with one of my closest friends who still lives in my hometown and has actually never come out to visit me hopefully she will always a lot more attractive than Beijing a little bit with some of the people that I've spoken to because most of the people I've spoken to who have been living overseas for a long time yeah and I like to say that I feel WanNa do with that knowledge like you're going to go back to the US you get another year of school left how do you see what you've learned informing what you do later well I definitely of the problems that you see with America and it's it's difficult because the longer I find myself living outside my home country I I see not just wouldn't imagine just wanted to be out here or do you like the research has made you WANNA be out overseas more it was more me wanting to be overseas and then realizing how could you had a desire like I'm GonNa go check out living overseas I wanna be overseas did you was that more of the drive and do you feel like the research and to have the resources to come back as well and have a career here so definitely yeah when I go home this one woman she ceo of a major company who kind of helps promote recreation Asian countries and she was talking four one K. Investment and they'll have a section four reach that you can just invest it and it's liquid in you know minimum investment was accurate that kind of thing doesn't exist here exactly and if it fails which has been a big problem with the with the a lot of these debts or to state owned companies are state owned banks and the government can write that off but if all of a sudden there's a lot of so for some for some reason people so but one of the things that she asked about was kind of how do you see America looking back so what do you think just in that dynamic to you sound like you very much from the get go I need to get out of where I'm from and at first that meant Chicago but now it means home or quote home like back to the US tonight and people ask me what it's like out there and we talk about whatever maverick lassie's in the first episode I had a here we have this dynamism and mixing all these different countries and cultures and I'm wondering if you feel like you've only been overseas but you're about to go back I'm wondering if you feel oh it's just having that but promoting it more so as a fine sorry social agenda where it's like able to include more people into a participant and I think it's great what is it called again the Ritchie Scholars Program the Richey Scholars Program and this is just a loyal in Chicago just at Loyola University Chicago this is great back doesn't get it like like you you're so afraid of immigration or your worried about X. but you don't understand how awesome it is over go back to talk to people tell them how great China is because everyone was shot coming over here it's communist country why do you have interested in that customs and everything but in really makes you appreciate where you came from and the start that you've had to be able to come over here and have an experience like this in China I buy me thanks so much for listening and we'll see next week problems in that exist like the bad immigration policy and all that stupid stuff but I see the roots of the problems I see why the body politics I wonder what being overseas might be like and let's check that out and then they get over here and then they are holy crap I can do this this is gonna live overseas really the same way I definitely true yeah definitely I've never really felt proud of being American than when I come to China but I mean you have to be respectful obviously reputation about going back into that environment and I guess people call reverse culture shock yeah but I mean I I don't feel trepidation about it I'm more excited establish a career out this is kind of like your way to figure out how to make it happen exactly how it happened how to come back it's interesting I'm wondering if there are people in your program who have had the opposite thing happened where like that went through and like I guess it's meant to be because I feel like we've as someone who lives out here as international I mean just that the perception of it is way different than the reality and I think telling people about how exciting each day was here well Libya thanks so much for sharing your story really appreciate it yeah thank you well there you have it police check out the show notes for links to more information about this is I love this idea of sending the students overseas to do a year doing actual research not just some language exchange Sakhalin that's what was culture because I studied abroad got culture I went to college overseas an all night partying there instead of instead of in your hometown yeah so yeah it's amazing program really clemmie decision to to sign up it was like a week before and I submitted some something like very average but a certified did not do this program coming overseas I would be bored because all really studying product is drinking and partying the end just what an incredible experience it was I'm way more excited to go back to talk about it but I'm also really sad to go back because I do not want to leave her

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Ep. - 206 - STEVE STAUFF REVIEWS 90 DAY FIANCE

Reality Life with Kate Casey

43:23 min | 8 months ago

Ep. - 206 - STEVE STAUFF REVIEWS 90 DAY FIANCE

"Welcome back to another episode of reality with Kate. Casey hope you're having a great Thanksgiving holiday today. Even though I despise Thanksgiving food that you're spending some time with your loved ones and I don't know perhaps if you can't stand them that you've jumped into your car to take a long drive. Taken a long walk to escape them and listened to some old episodes of reality live kick. AC Two this week. My sister. And I've been watching a bunch of shows at nine nine one of them that we really were really really got into is called dream killer. It's on Netflix. Adjust came out. So it's based on a man who took on the American justice system. After his son Ryan was sentenced to prison for a murder he claimed not to have committed. This is about Ryan Ferguson. If you are a devoted forty eight hours mystery watcher like I am. You're already very familiar with the case. So in this two thousand fifteen documentary Bill Ferguson took on the judiciary alongside powerhouse attorney Kathleen Zellner Kathleen. Zellner has appeared in so many forty eight hours mysteries datelines making converter net on net flex. She's like the best attorney that you could ask for. She also represented Stephen Abraham Court. So this looks into the two thousand someone murder of a man named Ken tight hope he was found dead in his work car park and had been strangled with his own belt. He worked for a local newspaper Missouri. Zuri so two years after his death the case was still unsolved but police were offered a fresh lead after an anonymous call tip them off to a local man named Charles. Erickson Eriksson Chuck Erickson so after attending a few different Halloween parties on the night of the murder chuck was said to have been taking drugs and had met with his seventeen year. Old Friend Ryan Ryan Ferguson. That was about ten thirty pm but he said he couldn't remember anything else afterwards. Which is pretty much par for the course of this guy because he was a drug addict speaking in about crime he said I didn't know if it was memory or if it was a dream I assumed that I'd done it Ryan? I did it to get more money for drinks. And he and then incriminated himself himself and Ryan in a police interview which was later picked up by the FBI which is shown in the film on one occasion. When speaking to police Ferguson told his friend had information of things that were never released to the press? Ryan was adamant that he had no idea what had happened. So Kevin Crane. The state prosecutor issued a press release saying that Chuck Chuck had been charged with murder in the second degree in Ferguson was being charged with murder in the first degree. Two years past and Ryan who was then twenty stood trial. The main evidence. Vince was testimony from Ericsson. Who talked memories that had come to him since speaking to the police? I know you're probably like this is insane. Orion's dad started his own investigation Gatien to free his son because he was put to prison and was supposed to have a forty year sentence but although he presented new leads to the judge he still refused at grant or retrial and denied his appeal so he ends up spending ten years in jail. Kathleen zoellner eventually Helps them out and proved Ferguson. was innocent and conflicting evidence was presented in the case for example a pair of bloody shoeprints were visible the crime scene seemingly from the attacker because they were leading away away from Hyde holds body. The shoeprints didn't match Ericsson or Ferguson according to CBS and fingerprints at the scene also implied that the presence of another killer because they didn't belong to either man so it was i. This was first released in two thousand fifteen and since his wrongful conviction. Ferguson has become an advocate for others the same position as he he was and he's also started the MTV show unlocking the truth which questioned if those convicted of crimes could also be innocent in that premiered in two thousand sixteen. It's it's a really interesting true crime case you will be really fired up about prison reform but mostly you're going to be really touched by his relationship with his parents most specifically eight with his father who was tireless tireless in his pursuit to get Ryan released from jail. You must watch this if you love true crime stuff again. It's called dream killer. It's on Netflix. And a great one to watch this week while you're on your break. This episode is so funny. I asked my sister to take a test that I made up. It's real shows with fake shows. And since she never watch reality. TV I asked her to take it and I don't know maybe while you're listening you take it yourself and you try to tell. Tell me as you're listening whether or not it's true or fake. And then I asked Steve Staff believe it or not. This guy's never watched ninety fiance. He makes a common in that position that he never watches. TLC But I do submit. I've had him review several episodes of Duggar shows and of the Cody Brown. SISTER WIVES SHOW so not entirely true. This is somebody who is very devoted to lifetime and hallmark movies so I wanted him to watch ninety day fiance to see what he thought again. He's never seen an episode. So just sir. Let that marinate. So I I know that you guys are GonNa Laugh as hard as I did so here. We Go Megan. You Never Watch. Reality shows correct correct so I am going to give you another quiz. I'm going to give you a reality show. I need you to tell me if it gets is real or fake. Okay okay. Nailed the series is a bake off competition in the style of reality television where three immature sure bakers compete to replicate complicated cakes and confectionery in order to win ten thousand dollars cash prizes and in nailed it trophy. It's actually real it's on that flex a big hit okay. Ready I mean how exciting cannot be to watch sex. x-box a British television series the show features couples that have agreed to come onto the show and F sex in the sex box during this time the host will discuss their relationship hip after a certain amount of time. The couple will emerge from the box and talk about sex and relationship. The show's theories that couples will be more likely to be closer after having insects and be more likely to be honest and open when answering questions about their own sex life and sex in general. Well it is aired in England. So so I think I'd say yes. It is big hit okay. MLM Wars this. American series is competition base with multi level marketing marketing consultants competing against each other in an obstacle course with both physical and mental challenges including elevator. Climb jumping spider and completing enough online order forms and under five minutes. I totally made that up. Okay Geordie shore British Reality Television series broadcast on MTV and based in Newcastle the show follows the daily lives of Eight to twelve housemates depending on the series as they lived together for a a number of weeks Sounds really boring now. It's actually true. Big Hit in England. It's sort of like their version of Jersey shore But it's called Geordie shore. Okay coupons and cabins online coupons. CEO Scott Kluth asked teams of two to scour the Internet Internet for the best deals on everything from pool tables to dog attire. His fiancee former New York. Socialite Tinsley Mortimer notifies the winners by arriving at their home in Santa's Sleigh with Rims and a Gospel Choir while holding an oversized check for one hundred fifty thousand CBS Yes it's actually made up. I totally honest up. I'm so disappointed at myself. Do you know who Tinsley Mortimer I know the name. She's blonde right. Yeah Harris always like beach waves. Yes yes but I don't really know who she is do you think that beach beach waves ringlets Nellie Olson style from Little House on the prairie is appropriate. If you're over the age of thirty six could he question it depends on the hairdresser and how well she does the beach waves but what is really more natural looking. I think it looks great. But if it's like oh you just got your hair done then. No but what if. It's paired with Pastel dress and Mary Jane Heels with like an ankle. sock well wow then I feel like it's a little too much little too much okay. Good most hated person American reality series. The show's premise is that the most hated reality. Television and stars are tasked with the improbable task of asking strangers to give money to their charities. CAST members include Tuck from the real world. San Francisco is live live. Yeah he really is still alive. I thought he died. It's like a drug overdose literally no okay. Omarosa from the Apprentice Vienna stick. It's in from America's next top model and Vicky Gumbleton from real housewives of Orange County. The show is called most hated person. Yes yes it's real yes. It's thrill I totally made that up here. I go again. This is why I don't watch reality. TV I'm so bad at this stuff. Okay are you the one American Reality Television Commission Series on MTV in which young singles try to find love. A group of men and women are secretly paired into couples by producers via a matching algorithm. Then then while living together the contestants try to identify all of these perfect matches if they succeed the entire group shares a prize of up to one million dollars. Yes yes that is real that Israel. Allocate me. Would you have done that out of college. no fire island six gay. Amen share a beachfront house for the summer on fire Ireland. Yes it is true. Yes I know fire island all right last one. Mr Personality Analogy Reality Television. Show that aired on the Fox television network with the premise that a woman must select a husband from twenty bachelors whose faces are covered by mass throughout the show supposedly basing decisions on who knew eliminate solely based on their personality instead of looks hence the titled Mr Personality. I now any hosted by Monica Lewinsky. No Way Yes oh my gosh. She's now hosting. This was a long time. MM AGO producer hosted. This show called Super Wash. That is so depressing. I know it's so easy. Yeah what do you think about her now. Being sort of the GO-TO tedtalk expert on online bullying. Oh my gosh what is please give me a break. So of these shows. Which one would you watch sex box? MLM Wars Geordie shore coupons and cabins most estate person or you the one fire island Mr Personality. Who could goof could question see if I said the sex one everyone thinks would thinking? I'm like sex crave but that's probably the most interesting. What about coupons and cabins? Would you be interested in an online Cuban coupon bond. CEO Having a competition with people using coupons no that just sounds depressing. What about Geordie shore like Jersey shore for British people? Maybe would it be. Would it impact your decision if there were subtitles. I don't worry so much about the Eh English. It's when you've got the the Scottish accent that you'd really need the subtitles for agreed and then Are you the one. which is the one on where they're coupled by producers via a matching algorithm? Could you trust that the algorithm would actually work and it was not some sort of plan by producers to put two people together who are horrible in real life and therefore great on TV I don't know that just sounds so depressing into so. What is the one show that you're watching right now? The Mike in your real life the crown I am watching the crowd around okay so for those people. Whoever loved one who despises reality television? They'll they can watch the crown. Absolutely what the one reality show you would watch you liked flipping out with Jeff Lewis. I did I did because it was funny. Anything that's super funny. I enjoy and he was very entertaining and you saw him in New York I did did I was walking buyers on my way for job interview and was early in the morning and I happened to walk by new sitting outside in a cafe and I recognized him right away and I had to say something to him and then you told him that I was your sister and he had absolutely no idea who I was exactly but he pretended he did so. That's Nice yes okay good but he couldn't have been nicer so for those. That are looking good. Show the crown or flipping out. Yes okay good thank you absolutely ninety day fiance. You know. It's an American document. Her Reality TV series on. TLC follows couples who have applied for or received K.. One basis available uniquely to Foreign Fiancee's of American citizens and therefore have ninety days to decide to marry each other before the visas of at the foreign half of the couple expire. Believe it or not Steve. STOFF has never watched an episode of the show and I asked him to watch Sunday's episode. I'd just tell me what he thinks. Steve Welcome back to the show. Hello again first of all. How's it possible? You've never watched the show. I don't know I I don't know if ever watch anything on TLC And I think it's one of those ones where you and I talked about before where he says you know. You don't really have to watch it from the beginning in season one. You could probably jump in a couple of seasons in do it be fine but for whatever reason it's one of those ones that since I didn't catch it from the beginning I just never in the early watch it and even though everyone's talking about it and now that I've seen it with exposed to it I'm not so sure that That I missed any I miss it out on. Apparently eight grevious teams whow each people or something? So I'M GONNA go through each couple and I'm delighted to know that you've not only watched us up so but are eager to tell me what you think. Are you ready. I'm ready okay. Anna and Mersal are unbelievably both thirty eight years old. Because I was sure that they were like even seventy five. Yeah right I mean Lou Jared Paul can we hear you. I just was shocked to hear their thirty eight bear the first couple that we meet in the new season. She lives in Bellevue Nebraska Sullivan Turkey but despite their language barrier which is really neither of them speak each other's language they have a common interest of beekeeping which is what brought this unlikely pair together after finding each other in a beekeeper's social media group on facebook Mersal Self friend requested Anna and the rest is history so once again they don't speak each other's languages and Anna recently spent some time in Turkey with Mersal and four months later he proposed to her on facetime now while their love connection is strong. There's a big secret that could potentially keep them apart and that is that Mersal hasn't told her family than Anna. Has Three kids. As family does not approve of having children out of wedlock. And I'm Rochelle. What did you think burst? Observation was the same as what you said. There's no way that these thirteen years old. I thought because they didn't show their agent so like a couple of clips later in the show but the first exposure to them. I thought it was a couple of fifty something year olds. And it was so was are in the beekeeping outfits and awkward hugging like shoulder bumps that were happening to my God i. I was absolutely just dismayed at the fact that these people are planning to get married and this skyscrapers from Turkey and live in the United States for the rest of his life. The be literally cannot communicate. She berates him and then all he doesn't say okay. Okay on like well in this episode. Anna introduced introduced Moore sell to our friends. They obviously have some concern. Flip over real. Well they have this beautiful reception for them and their friend gave an uncomfortable speech. I kept wondering what if Steve where this position your her friend. You've been asked to give a speech. What would you have said? Well I I probably would have been the wrong. GotTa ask him if ANA were close friends in this she would have known it. Never Trust me with a microphone in front of a crowd like that in that settlement but hatch done so I probably would've made an incredible being allergies and talked about how this it was like. You know the one Queen B In search of her her perfect you know grown male And and now together they can make beautiful honey And and just really gone on and on about the the be stuff that would have. I didn't think about PROPO- Also like the fact that he apparently has some sort of her drinking wine and so I would've what if probably After the speech pure pressured him and slamming shots and and basically what. We did reported students in high school where you get him to kick steaks. I've no idea what they're doing. They couldn't speak English pretty much stayed in the night falling into the pool or something right Certainly coerced him into that. I mean even if you said I think this guy's a piece of shit you're making the biggest mistake of your life. I don't even know where he comes from. Can't speak the language. How the hell is this GonNa work out? If you just ended by nodding to him he would have been unhappy so it didn't really matter what you said. Why can't over the heart gesture a not with thumbs up? And he was like arcade and it would have been none the wiser exactly okay so then we have Michael. Juliana Michael's forty-one from Greenwich Connecticut Giuliani's twenty-three from Brazil. They met at a yacht party while party in Croatia. Michael travels a lot and lives. A jet setting lifestyle and Juliana is working on launching her international modeling career. Which side now? That's a little bit late in the game. If you're twenty three. The immediately connected fell in love and applied for Giuliani's tourist visa to come to America for the first first time but the visa was denied. Probably because they think she's a prostitute. Soon after the first failed visa attempt. Michael realized he wanted to be with Juliana forever so he proposed posed and filed for her k one visa. Now Michael hasn't ex wife and two children who Juliana had yet to meet until this episode. Michael believes coming to America will be a reality. Ladies Check for Juliana. She's only seen the fabulous part of Michael's life not all the responsibilities that he has is a career oriented dot an ex husband and to top it. All off Michael's ex wife and family are concerned as to whether Juliana is with Michael for love or just wants a ticket to America is Juliana in this for real love or for a ticket America. Get to America. There's no question I mean. Come on. It's not like the guys yeah Good looking or rich or comes out baggage and then they had a wife over you know kinda judging her while his kid is sitting there wolfing down like not one but three cheeseburgers. Whatever the hell again There's no way that she interest in life as a twenty three year old. You know just saying Brazilian out of me. Different kind of setup than not so so she wants to one week picketing America. There's no question. Now what do you think about the ex wife. Do you salute her Doggedness and pursuing answers to whether or not she will be inadequate bonus mother or did you find her annoying. She wasn't going as hell just wanted to be on his doing business. Lady you know the divorce the guy filed or Xijiang was but the divorce is fine. Say That guys you know a future. Obviously what I have the ability to somewhat vet the person's GonNa be around your kids but she was clearly a sweet girl the kids like this and they're like okay. She's not mom she's twenty three kind of like the kids are GonNa think she's replacement mom even though the kind of brought that topic up tosses a twenty three year old zillion the English knowing. He's replacing here. I I liked when the Sarah the ex wife told her. You'RE GONNA get fat eating all this food. I thought well. That's that's true. I think I think she was thinking the same thing. Washing like the number of calories on cable being like like hand over fist by Fanling. Now did you notice in one scene. They're drinking Rosa and then there quickly drinking red wine. How long do you think the scene actually took tape? Yeah that's a question for you. I have no idea how scripted or real this stuff. Actions does It seems pretty real because of just the general awkwardness and every single scene. Right so my guess. The producers are trying to get more out of them but there it's not scripted so it probably takes a long time for that actually play out with a dependent I We got it up. It's real action put together. I'm thinking the ex wife. Sarah took a long time to get there and I was surprised that she didn't want to dress up for ATV more. She had a black tank. Top that you'd get like target was some black pants. Jean Shirt and then combat boots. Well I know more more like hiking boots don't you. She should have cast herself up a little bit more for TV. Especially if the new girlfriends at twenty-three-year-old international Star search model. I think she was trying to player handing like look. It doesn't bother me. I'm not in competition. You're you know I'm not jealous. I you know I'm don't worry about the twenty three year old Brazilian Snyder hot but compared to serious use So she's let's let's go downplayed. My looks coming looking like I literally just dropped off my kids school starbucks go back home and you know this is. That's that's my morning teams us. That's that's what that's like. I think there's a statement would be like Geeta threaten doc Raja that Okay Tonya. I believe that's what you say it inste- engine. She's twenty three. She's from Connecticut. She met Sinjin during a trip to South Africa to meet another man who she met on a dating APP. Now when the original connection didn't work out she struck up a flirty conversation with a bartender who ended up being singed and the rest is history. St She went home with him that night and upstate in South Africa for four and a half months to be with them now. They're working on bringing him to Home Connecticut their instinct connection however may they have been caught may have caused the couple to overlook major differences while ready to go to America Sinjin and Tanya will be living out of a shed in her mother's house and to follow. Oh who rules and to add insult to injury. They aren't always on the same page about their future together. They're currently living in the unfurnished shed. Ed that is missing sink. What did you think about these two? Yes Sir brings quite the dowry doesn't seem I mean here's the other thing that I noticed. Okay I get that you're GONNA have time to like tackle up and put it out of their hang cabinets and we're GonNa put you know the counter powder cops and all that 'cause you least taking some windex to those windows was disgusting. It short shot like mums back out Lingo Window into there Chad Anderson streaks and filled all right all both sets windows like Oh my God what even the producers have wanted to not want their shots at taking some index down the first observation Saddam's regime though was was that all the couples I saw they. They EXA seem the most genuine relationship. It's probably isn't that. Massive language barrier like Ukrainian and a tall creepy guy. They're kind of injury each other but they don't communicate that well He says awkward stuff constantly. So this couple Sinjin. What's your name? Tonya Tonya. We didn't seem to have a real relationship and the ability to communicate poorly fucking But it seemed like okay. There's something there or on on Jesus thing But that poor guy he comes into. I don't know how long it takes to fly in from South Africa to help you live. There's some backwoods apparently showed situation. But you walk. Don't gave us a nice sleep and my new you know. Basically he's he's like. Oh it's like a guest house with my fiance and then you know we're gonNA start our life here in America. You know the harsh reality right in the face you are living in what amounts to light some combination of a hoarder and squatters pad. You'RE GONNA have to spend the next three days aged fumigating and Gil going through a state sale or something kissing gates. Were I know. And the weirdest part is she said. Her mom was a master contractor. I'm like she couldn't put her sinks in what the Cabinet Trie can't be that great of cabinet tree or a contractor with how the trash bags outside go to home depot gets a lumber. Oh she's probably tools already on site gearboxes screws and and you know do it like we didn't call us when you're building. It is not at all the code or anything. But the job done exactly okay. MIC and Natalie. Mike's Thirty Four. He lives in Washington and is no stranger to Ukraine because his friend Matt recently married a woman. I'm from Ukraine now. After friend Matt Matt's Marriage Mike wondered if he too should look for love and Ukraine. Because you know that's a really reasonable place to go looking for love. which is how he met Natalie? She's thirty five so matt and his wife. Svetlana played matchmaker introducing Mike. Dis- LAWA's best friend in Ukraine Natalie. And the two started chatting online. Mike flew to Ukraine to meet Natalie in person and by the end of the trip. He was sold that she was the one on a second trip. Meeting each other. In Paris Mike proposed in front of the Eiffel Tower. Now the problem is they've got some pretty big differences not only is a vegetarian. Mike's not Natalie's religious. Mike is not but mostly Mike is hoping that her being a city girl with an ex husband who has a very wealthy man and construction was going to fit with his rustic rustic lifestyle and the fact that he is massive credit card debt. That he's hiding. What did you think about these two? I think Mike just wants to get laid and you can't. That happened with American women so the book to play out to Ukraine date. They need her and she is playing aim for the visa with them. But come on the guy's complete were so You know she no dummy And I make she. She sees that he's an easy target and she's GonNa get the states that way and the dump us and I think that Lana was like there's an idiot idiot in our town. Just marry him. Get yourself in the country murder him and then you'll find somebody who's really appropriate for yourself but get the hell out of dodge and let's it gets you to America. I mean there's plenty of property that he has. You could be in some sort of shed. He's got this weird relative with fourteenth that works for them and just guy. I'm GONNA show you dot guys your daily routine. I'd love to follow him out. What kind of hijinks gets himself? What about their pool? It's like a hole in the ground with patio furniture around it with like a fountain in the middle. Yeah I would not surprise me to see alligator and I would not surprise me to see a bucket of cigarette butts next to the patio chairs next to the pool with the alligator in it. No doubt that I was at Florida because if they really had a lot of board of is then there's Blake and Jasmine Blake's twenty nine of La. He met Jasmine twenty seven of Finland online. At first he thought she was too beautiful to be real but then they started to get to know each other and the relationship progressed. Blake AAC flew to Finland to meet Jasmine for the first time and when they finally met in person they took their relationship to the next level by a second trip to Finland he proposed but his family and friends worry. Worry that he just wants to get jasmine to Los Angeles and that she wants to visit her sister who's already living in the country because she won the green card lottery does jasmine really loved. Blake or does she see Blake as an opportunity to reunite with her sister in America. Based on what what I saw in this episode early in the Guy Every time he touched her looked at her she would recoil movies and offer shutdown. Eddie tried to make you know it was like look. I'm sean go to bed. And he's like what I seen six months at a rented so Telera for that's a couple days. What about me that? I really just interesting to you He was clinging awkward horrible. You laugh inappropriate times. fister obviously hate his guts. Routes around the corner prevented and clearly not spoken or at any relationship So I think this is a one-way ticket for her to get in Finland kids live with her sister full-time but I feel like both of them have absolutely done some facial and body transformations I would love to see photo of them for maybe five years ago. I don't know if I totally believe if they were born with those faces. No that's that's all like Centenary plastic surgery. Yeah they they went to the best is plastic surgeon in their little fishing village. And you know that I would probably not even be board certified for able to practice medicine here in skates but out there. It's the best they could give you know. They brought it a picture of I dunno it is something that look like. And you're right. I mean that's kind of the look. They're going for what else. Yeah they looked dead. ringers Yeah now that you say that make sense. It's kind of the best dykes games a part-time surge in part-time herring. Fishermen made it worth it out for her to get proposed to so Yeah she's got that going for. Did you find the pictures just disturbing. I mean the ones that she sent to him. There's they're always like her or yes squatting audience yes yeah. They're they're pretty unnatural I I don't think that you know. Got An agency booking her in a lot of hype passion you know. I would say now but I am always dumbfounded living in southern California. How many people put model in their in their CV when this woman? Clearly I can't imagine who would have asked her to work their campaign where there's there's no qualifying criteria for that it's like being influence or whatever you know it's not like unique to go pass a test or we're having a certain number of jobs booked or anything like that references adopted your modeling career. Actually call yourself a model so you now some bad plastic surgery in a couple of Cropped up Selfie that you've changed the filter on qualify. That's true okay the last couple. I know you're GonNa have some thoughts about this. One Robert Anne Roberts forty-one and he's thirty. They met on Social Media Robert who now lives in Winter Park Florida Book. A cruise with a stopover in the Dominican Republic slid he finally meet and Ian Person after the two talked every day for six months. The couple spent eight blissful hours together in the Dominican Republic during which Robert Proposed anti that very day they applied for the k one visa and now Robert is doing anything and everything to bring any to the US. But he's got a lot on his plate with a four year old son and a fulltime job. Robert hasn't made it onto the Dominican Republic Ciragan Ciragan nor has. He had time to buy an engagement ring again. He proposed to her after eight hours. She's now in the country she expects him to take her out and buy for Saatchi she closed. Which is always interesting to me? Because he wears t shirts. What did you think of Robert? An Anti ill-fitting t-shirts This this story story line just kept getting better and better and better every time you thought that you know is going to run. Its course but now we're doing something else to it. At first. I thought it was just swab and You know he's got his kids in the backseat with these. What's her name again? The say 'cause you're any any any in just pissed off about everything she's got the worst attitude I've ever seen so they're going to the park to me. Whoever whoever I wasn't I and get A couple of older walks up like okay. What's the relationship you're find out that it's it's his son's grandparents Beating Mama's clearly not in the picture so grandma appears to be crab pot or there's like grandma's husband or boyfriend I are in his life pretty significantly and then she just drops out of the blue that she's a porn star and Like she at the same time trying to play like the moral high ground with this woman about you know what her intentions dog and she got birth control and all this stuff is like. That's just an amazing amount of stuff to come together playground beginning of the show. That's kind of what like Hook me be invested in actually watching a person just going on in the background and then you find out later in the episode and she's bitching about the gold social media posts me You should remove clearly like crazy jealous type. You find out that he's got not one kid not he's not three not four but five children with four different women and I'm looking at this guy wondering wondering how the hell any woman more what what happens if the prisoner. Yeah I mean this grade. I don't know if you've ever seen the show but nick crawl on on that call. Did Mouth Circle called coach. This guy's literally coach skied. I mean the the guy proxies marbles in his mouth I don't know if he's twenty five and four and five you looks like he's been Suffering from fetal alcohol syndrome entire life and I don't think he changed same blue shirt blue shorts up at the entire time which episode food carrying over multiple days. So he probably owns like other multiple sets of that outfit. or You just wears the same one constantly The fact that I sort of player we may drop down in things that rolling on the floor laughing about trying to speak game and Teijin now. Grandma's porn star name is diamond Fox with two axes. Her real name is Stephanie. Do you think that's an appropriate name for Stephanie. He does she look like a Diamond Fox. No I wouldn't have gone dime Fox for you know I candidly. I haven't haven't researched her work when I don't plan on it so It's hard to gauge. What an appropriate name would defer since she was trying to play like the straitlaced authorities authoritative parent authority? Figure there when she clearly just turned out to be a porn star trash crash so You know I I always appreciate what they're Puerto names got more than what exit you know. It really ousted Greek week. Dating is appropriate for. I think that's that's better for someone twenty years for junior so it also it makes me think that maybe at one point was appropriate. And she's been in the industry that long right which is really gusting. What do you think is an appropriate a poor name if you your claim to fame? Is your grandma in porn. Oh God I think it needs to be something related to the golden girls there. You go like Sophia but with like three fs well he was. WHO's like the slightest of the Golden Alden Girls Blanche? What's up an old person's car that like tattle? Sure Yeah like Seville. TV blanchet the bill. Way More of Seville I I like it. Okay well maybe we could circle back with her Diamond Fox. What did you think about her husband? Is he in a Z.. Z. Top cover for band. Well I you know. That's it this guy's trying to play like oh I I'm really shocked because you wouldn't tell us that you know you're you're engaged. You drop it on the site on. Its like does like Bro. You sit there and you let your wife. They've hair out like by these filthy random dudes and you're GONNA stand here and play. Moral Authority knows els. Just don't have that so good all right. Well are you going to watch this show ever again. Are they all an hour and a half long. 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S2Ep3 - The Lingerie Saves The Day

Reality Bites - 90 Day Fianc�

34:38 min | 9 months ago

S2Ep3 - The Lingerie Saves The Day

"The J. Big News. Okay give it to me. We have gone intercontinental Intercontinental. Like to say hello to our new listeners in Africa. What's Yada and Lizzy both reached out to me on? FACEBOOK are now listening to reality bites. podcast welcome also are so excited. This is the reality Bites podcast. It's Meghan in J now before we jump in to talking about episode three Okay Up Ninety Day fiance okay last night. I do think the season got off to a slow start. But the drama is coming in waves now revved up pretty quickly before we get into that. What'd what'd you do this weekend? The only problem with ninety fiance that I've found is that it runs the same time football season which means that when I come in on Monday. My mood is very dependent on how my team did did it. My team did not do well. So that's yeah that's a little look into what happened with me this weekend. So we'll just skip that and get right to what you did. I went to an oyster roast. Really ooh yeah so my next door neighbor to go to this day roast and I was like yes. Let's do it and I like oysters. But I'm terrified of them. Because last time I went home I grew up in the small town called Wilmington North Carolina which is right on the Atlantic Ocean and my mom told me two months ago a guy was down at rights will beach on vacation eight some oysters that that were contaminated and die the same night like he just like pass away immediately but you know I thought if it's my time to go then so it shall Albee Vinoy stir takes me out but listen I'm here. I lived to tell the tale so crash in the words of Robert who had a bunch of new catchphrases last night to the list. Also I normally don't like to talk about other shows. I like to stay very focused. Oh kissed however I just saw something on social media screen shot at it because I was like Jay's going to die. Do you recognize those two people in that picture. Oh this Jesse and WHO's the other lady who is it is that is that a real that's Murray. Yes okay so you're joining us and have watched prior seasons of the show. Then you know who Jesse is Darcy's ex you know. Maria was this girl that we thought was cat fishing. Caesar all through Ninety Day fiance before the ninety days. Last Season Jesse and Maria are together at a hotel in Barcelona. He posted this picture on instagram. So happy to meet with you who I mean. Their heads are together. It looks very much like they are a couple. It looks like a coupling type does not look just friendly to me. You couple alert possibly Jesse and Maria. Rio One of our first crossover couples. There has to be so upset right now. We're former cast members from other versions of the show are now hooking up with each other beating her panties right now now Kasese are still. Hasn't she never got them all right. So here we go ninety day. Fiance Day episode three last night. It was a good one really starting to get invested now and I wasn't sure when the season started I felt like the general sentiment online was is that people weren't really into this new cast their different couples who am pulling for them like. Oh I really hope they work on this a couple of YouTube. Just get off my screen so yes seriously. Sleep like go ahead call it quits. Go home before you embarrass yourself in. So let's start with one of those couples who appears to be not on the same page. Not even a little bit. We'll tell you who my guess is talking about an Marcellus. Things started out looking really good for these two. Because they're both interested interested in beekeeping. And you think Oh to Weirdos found each other through a facebook group. This perfect beekeepers can't find love and who can. It's such like an odd thing to be into that. If you find someone else who's really into it. It would seem like you have something in common which is a good place to start in a relationship now. Anna lives in Bellevue Nebraska Marcel from Turkey. We Have Seen Him Very awkwardly stumble off his airplane with a new friend named Omar. No idea where that guy came from immediately. We know that there's a huge communication barrier. They cannot communicate without using a translator APP. They go to her house. She introduces herself all to her three kids. The kids aren't necessarily feeling this whole situation. That was an awkward introduction. Then we see them go to dinner annum resell her oldest son. Gino and her mom charlene where we find out. That marseils family doesn't know that Anna has three kids now. Originally originally my thought was. Oh so he's planning to go ahead and marry her and then tell his family and what we're seeing now is that he thinks that he can in Hyde this from his family until they're on their deathbed and then he can come clean and be forgiven for his sins. The bright side is that he only give me about ten years before the dead. He's like hey wait about ten years. They'll be on their death bed. We'll be good. I felt so bad for Anna's kids last night. That was rough Taffy. Hear that from the person who your mom is so in love with and you can obviously see the she cares about this person and that he probably in there is even though for him. He probably doesn't care about the kids but it from their perspective he clearly does not care about. That's what they're thinking. Because why would you hide people that you care about. And he referred to her kids as some issues like. That's not how you referred to children. He doesn't seem to have any tact whatsoever. Maybe because of the communication barrier but she's really starting to realize this. This may have been a huge mistake and you can tell her happy. Go lucky bubbly demeanor in the beginning has very much shifted into a space of worry and and Oh crap what have I gotten myself into. And he's still very kind of oblivious to the fact that this is GonNa be a major issue that might derail their relationship. Mind you marcel. You're on one eight television. Show trying to hide what you're doing from your family in front of millions of people take what what what is the thought process behind that so they'll get TLC and Turkey. Oh my in mind you. They are engaged. They have to get married within ninety days or he has to leaving go back to Turkey so six days away in the beginning it was like Oh these two seem cute and little weird but okay and now I'm I'm like Oh my little bit of hope because fit like he's Muslim she's Christmas Lee. Have Different holidays now. Like you have to worry about Christmas so the kids. It's way for a little bit. I Oh man like I said unless episode. I'm frustrated with her because I don't think she thought this through whatsoever and didn't have cavs some of these important conversations prior to getting engaged prior to applying for the K one visa prior to arriving. I don't understand why you don't talk about those things upfront right. Like if they're just friends on facebook or whatever okay you might not have these conversations about well how would your family feel about you. Know being relationship with me my children but once you know that you're going to the next step once you know that you're proposing that he's GonNa move here. You're trying to get married. You should immediately have that conversation. But Hey what about the issue of my kids going to be something going forward. How how are we going to navigate this and so I really don't understand being a grown adult and not having some of these conversations ahead of time it makes no sense to me? Yeah well it's their. It's their destiny now destiny. Although to be clear I don't even know what that means that. What is your destiny? The proper context domino All right let's move on to Mike and Natalie who we finally got to know. Last night I mean three episodes in and we had heard of them. But we actually got to meet Kim last night when I was Mike. I'm thirty four years ago. I lived with swim Washington everywhere I go. I love being the center of attention being six seven. I'm tall on loud Improv. I got lots of positive energy. I think people just feed off but when one of my best friends Matt got married to his wife Spit. Lana from Kiev Ukraine. They they had a baby and they need me the godfather and his wife's best friend they named the godmother showed me pictures of Natalie. I thought at first sight that she was Absolutely beautiful gorgeous. I was hesitant at first and I was saying to myself why the world with this woman possibly interested in a guy like me you know I mean I and I'm not catch. The one thing that makes this a little bit different is that they have mutual friends in common first of all like them and then also like the way that they meant met right because she very common for people like you know you have a friend is like oh my friend would be perfect for you sell from there. We know that Mike Is. Is this like six foot seven larger than life country guy who does not appear to be all that well educated or have a lot of social graces. I mean he lives on his family's farm. By contrast you have Natalie who seems to be extremely educated degrees journalism and psychology. Yeah she's a model and they and he says like exact opposites they don't appear to have anything in common and he's a meat eater. She likes adventure. She's very very active and he seems to want sit around and drink beer and kick it with uncle. Bo whom either way jingles lives in the barn. You can't even let your uncle sleep on your couch. What's that all about solving questions about bojangles? Is it his mom's brother or his dad's brother they do not clarify. It's just uncle Bo. Because he bought the farm farm from his dad so it also made me wonder like did pass away. Does Daddy say here's the farm and you know sounded to me like dad decided to sell the farm because it's a tree farm which I would imagine means it's it's like a Christmas tree farm or something like that and it probably just became too much as you get older. It's a pretty physical type of farm to have to maintain so my guess is that it's like well I'm just GonNa sell it and then Mike was like we'll I'll buy it but then we learn. This is created a financial situation for him that he has not told Natalie about so she has no idea that she's about to move over to the US and essentially if they get married inherit his death. It's an interesting situation with a lot of the couples to you know. Obviously obviously we have some well off couples or sponsors in the US but some of the sponsors are you know kind of downplayed their financial situation to the people come to this country and the people coming to this country having avenue. That's a common theme on this show though is like we've said in the last season that we were doing is that there's this idea if you're from a foreign country that all Americans live the good life and you don't really realize that once you get over here you might have had way better where you came from Italy. Swimming him pictures of of Kiev skyline. All the buildings the nice restaurants. Hey Babe by the way when you get here. The world's close by ten inches. There is not much to do in Swim Swim Washington. It's like it's like a small town. He said there was thousand people. I have a feeling that part of the issue once they're together in the same place it's going to be that she hates it there. Yeah I mean never mind we could just talked about Marcellin Annaba. You know I and when he got here he's like Oh we'll Turkey. There's so much going on so vibrant and you have the mountains and scenery and you get to Nebraska and it's just flat melayu Nebraska which I have never been to but I imagine it's also not the most exciting place in the world. There's lovely though so we do find Out last night. That Natalie's there's a problem with her visa and it's going to be another six months before she can either come to the. US or can be interviewed reviewed again to get approved for her k one visa and Mike says that he will fly to the Ukraine. So a guy who we already know has financial problems has been into Ukraine. Once they went to Paris together. That's where he proposed to her and is now going to plan a trip over to Ukraine to see her because she can't come right away and also they had already bought the ticket for her to come. Just assuming right. They weren't gonNA be any problems. It's like. That was a bad decision to yeah I. I don't know again a lot of times. People buy the tickets we've seen this in other episodes and other seasons in they don't really discuss whether these are refundable. If these are like once you can change adjacent date. So let's hope that he can use yes. Make the travel insurance something some sort of if you haven't learned anything from watching the show in the past. It's it's that you have to have a ticket that can be travel. Insurance is going to be your friend and all time. Yeah all right who do you WANNA do knacks a really WanNa talk about Robert any. Ah Man all right. Now we knew going into it that there was going to be some volatility with these. Two Robert is forty one. He lives in Winter Park Florida and his thirty. She's from the Dominican Republic. So far all we really know about them as they met on facebook he booked crews stopped in the Dominican Republic for eight hours hours proposed to her k one visa got approved and she has now arrived in the US. Now this is one of those. where I kinda go back and forth Except who side with the same way the entire segment I was like Oh yes. She's right. Now wait a minute. No he's kind of right. No she's just they're both a mess. Yep so so she has arrived arrived it was very sweet when she met. Robert's son Bryson she's very sweet with Bryson. So that's a redeeming quality. That's something we like about her but here here we are. It is day two and she says Robert that she needs some clothes because she left over close in the Dominican Republic and sister sister to sell L. and she doesn't have anything to wear so he says all right I'll take shopping doesn't ask her like where would you like to go. What kind of things do you like without a place? We'll take aqui someplace. And he shows up at a thrift shop now. She doesn't realize that the clothes are used but she definitely walks in is like less than impressed of selection attention thing. I WANNA go America. I WANNA buy fashion close channel but Nominee I store later close. Post close close spun. Nice things like pretty nice like this. This sweet little salesgirl comes over. Can I help you with anything. She is sour. Doesn't want to be there doesn't like any the clothes and that's when she learns that everything there has already been worn and his US says you know we buy from the public daily still is bound to be something that you're GonNa like secure. He's like wait a minute. These are used clothes. She storms out. Don't buy me anything then. And he comes out with an attitude. Basically claim accusing her of being being extremely selfish and unappreciative and ungrateful and yes she was but her point is you told me when I came over here that you were going to take me shopping and buy me nice things and so I feel like he definitely misrepresented himself absolutely like I mean and people shop at stores all the time and sometimes you find like Russia real cool stuff but you should definitely kind of get a sense of what that person likes what they're you know what their style is because there's also different types of thrift shops. There are shops that do cater to more. You know expensive type clothing consignment stores and stuff like that. They have a little more special stuff. So I mean would have been so hard to take her by you know. Ross or Coles or wherever target target. Yeah it's why why he chose to take her to that store or even take her to the molecule laws. Plenty of little shops forever. Twenty one some of those fast fashion budget brands. That aren't overly expensive. You could've bought her stuff that at least she liked like how did you not know better. It was amazing. She likes really elegant stuff but then then after she said that I could not stop focusing on the blue dress that had like the peekaboo with the BRA. That is exposed the entire time when you're supposed to wear that because I'm pretty sure I don't think so no but I don't know if you know so so when they go shopping during the day she's wearing like a jumpsuit in her bras hanging out the back to then they must go back to the apartment she changes just because they're going to dinner and now she's wearing a blue dress and her bra still showing but there are some women who are comfortable dressing that way and will expose Bra straps or or whatever so I don't know maybe she one of the things that she left for her sister to sell was the bra that she should've worn with that dress but they're heading to dinner and there's just this like almost mutual dislike of each other that is building building building like he doesn't seem to really like her she's a really don't they really talk to each other pretty spicy. She's talking about day to day. Hey Watch out before wind in your face. And he's like well there's plenty other women and men out here so you know you can go ahead and get what you want. I'll get what I want. And then she's like you owe me an apology for taking me to that store earlier. And he has got to be the worst apologize. I've ever heard in my life today so you stand down and walked out on like little baby so every time you have a attention wanted to walk out on the other hand for me. Say Sorry you okay okay. I'm apologize you any. I am very sorry. That's your inconsiderate at a big ask Robbie how about that I will will say. He's lucky she didn't throw the drink on him. Surprised as we saw with Jennifer and Tim and last season what he did was not as bad and he got drink thrown in the face and the whistle. Weird Miami thing to where she's very much into like. Let's go to Miami Miami like she starts talking about the wedding thing and he is very anti having a big wedding and wants to go to the courthouse. I mean come on happy medium somewhere and these two are not on the same amy page at all. They're not reading the same book. These are like two totally different stories so we can already tell that that this is going to be a disaster astor absolutely but then they go back to the apartment after dinner make up and he gives her the lingerie that he bought for her and all seems to be fine for a minute because at first it was like well. You're sleeping on the couch. No you're sleeping on the couch. Nah they did find a babysitter for Bryson. At least the kid wasn't there when she's trying on this new lingerie Andrei set. How ever I did learn through doing external research that apparently Robert has been arrested twice? He also so has multiple kids by multiple other women. She has not mentioned yet was able to track him down on social media. Went back through some of his pictures and it would appear that there are at least two other kids by two other women but something else I read said he has five kids by four different women. Oh so this guy. I don't think I think he led her to believe that things were going to be a lot different absolutely then he was hoping that she would be so oh grateful to be in the US right that he could get away with all of these false promises and all of these things that he told her she was going to get. She seems like a Brat Rat. He's like a jerk. That's where I am with these. Two right now is the perfect description. Oh Gosh all right up next. Let's do emily and Sasha. Let's do it all all right so first of all emily. She's from Portland Oregon. He lives in Russia and where we first met them. She is living in Russia teaching English and she is very much pregnant now. We do know for sure that this is his third kid with his third while the first two were ex wives now emily. They're engaged so he doesn't have the best track record. We pick up with emily now in labor. Oh she's about the bus any second now. They are in the hospital in Russia and this hospital looked like what you would see on American horror story asylum. It looked like they had like a plastic lawn chair. Sitting beside had this twin bed looks like she was like strapped to at one point. Had she not been extremely pregnant about to have a baby at that moment I would have thought okay. They're just doing list to make it look like oh Russia's kind of worn down and all the modern body film things they do know she. There's no way we're having that lady in that situation in that hospital as it is real. That was probably one of the most horrifying moments on reality television. I've ever seen like been then. Hospital like there is no other l.. By the lights were off in like none of the staff members. Speak any English. Sasha casually mentioning that he you missed the birth of his first two kids because he was you know working or something. He doesn't even really goes like this is just I'm like watching in Horror I was just like Whoa and you know when her family goes back and watches this by so there's a problem as she's giving birth. The baby's head isn't sitting right in the hip and at the last minute they have to do a C. Section and I'm like issue really okay. What the camera crew? Just being there filming all of this. That doesn't doesn't seem very sanitary so much was going on. She didn't like she said you know when you're going through a pregnancy there is not enough time to think in two languages. And that's why she had because she speaks Russian and a little bit but she would have to really think about it is it was Something else that I think of big shout out to all the ladies because wow I was there for my child's birth and yeah it is the worst feeling when someone you care about and love is excruciating pain. There's absolutely nothing that you can do say or whatever was also completely panicking being at a certain point because she got the epidural. You're not supposed to be all that much pain and discomfort. Something no not really. Oh so it is the worst like I. Don't WanNA get one recreationally. I know what it's like. I mean I'd be curious to know what it feels the actual pain amazing. Can I can you do that. Can I just get an epidural to see what it feels like. In America anything is possible. And that's true. That's very true but the good news is able to do an emergency. C section baby is born. They pulled him out like a Erkki was just like it was tense too because because at first the baby wasn't crying anything they were just like yeah and you could tell. Sasha was having this moment of what's going on what's happening right now. Why isn't he crying but sure enough off the baby starts crying? Everything appears to as primitive as that hospital scene came out fine so at least they now have have a little baby and now they can start focusing on getting to the US and we can start to figure out whether or not Sasha's going to high tail it onto the next his soon does he meets somebody else. Another Blake and Jasmine a couple are we are three full episodes in season. Seven of ninety fiance still have not met these two teas that they might. That'd be showing up in the next episode. We're going to keep our fingers crossed four with Blake and Jasmine. How do you WANNA go? Tanya and Sinjin or Michael Juliana. I want to go tiny engine just so we can stay on the the baby theme for just a moment babies on the brain. It was like that was the theme of last night's episode arts. Tanya in Sinjin are in New York City. They're both twenty nine years old. She's from Colchester Connecticut. He is from Cape Town South Africa and he has arrived in New York City with Tanya and her two friends and and so far. Everything seems to be going. Okay no huge dramatic blow ups like we saw with Robert and Annie yet however from what we know about Tanya from watching the show she is a lot she's very controlling very set in her ways my way or the highway. I always get my way. This is what's going to happen and for the first time worst we were seeing some pushback from Sinjin last night because the topic of kids heads came up. Now my favorite part about the whole thing. It was like so since you. Have you thought about what you WANNA do for work. And he's like he wants to be an actor or a firefighter or a neurosurgeon or a bartender or an astronaut or circus clown like joined the opera. Wait a minute. A wildflower like go wherever the wind blows me. We'll see what happens ends. I don't want to think too much and try to plan too much. 'cause I just WanNa see which in some ways is probably why the relationship is working at least into this point because he is very kind of like okay Nello laid a has. She has ideas Che's plans and she wants to implement them and he's just kind of like like you said Mel laid back so he just kind of goes with them but this is where he draws a hard line. Something has Vigo's Vigo's having a child is something. I'm not gonNA Buckling I will not be under bridges and told winter of a child or these kind of things financially. I think sends having a child is some great commitment. That makes you can break you. Your problem is you never. You don't even know what it's like to plan for an even even I can't even imagine that being possible it takes takes planning it takes. Planning it takes responsibility. It takes commitment. It takes money. Yeah maybe we'll have a job you don't like to do but I'm willing to do. This is where. Hey that's for sure. Come on me no I am coming at you. Because they're having kids with you or not. I'm not I guess that means if we are in work unit go look for them down it when I wanted to have kids by thirty and and then I'm literally putting off having kids for you so much like Story and I'm just the kind of thing if it were up to him him. They would wait seven to ten years before thinking about kids. She wants babies yesterday. She said she has already put her plans on. Hold for a couple a couple years to be accommodating his time line but she goes on to say that as soon as the first one comes out she's GonNa be ready for number two and he's like okay. Well Whoa the first. I'm hearing about number two. He had no idea that she wanted more than one kid. And this is where he says. I'm not going to bend on this. Because he seems to be a lot more practical and the guy who's kind of the Flower Child Free Spirit is actually the one who in my mind seems to be the most realistic about this. What we both want to travel and we both need a place to live and we have to get a stout established in a job and like we gotta figure this out before we start thinking about kids and she's just like well where there's a will there's away and it's going to happen like it or not? I will get my way and if I'm not having kids with you I'll do it with somebody else. So her whole kind of thought processes. My mom had me when I was young and and it was great and so therefore I won't have kid while I'm young because it'll be great and she's calling out. I'd be very interested to see what life was growing up because a lot of times. Especially when your parents shield you kind of make things a lot more comfortable than they really are in life and so asks decisions points. She likes to travel. He likes travel. Trust me it is so much more difficult to travel the child I go my daughter to football games and it is just like Oh my God and even with that though you're talking about an hour and a half in the car and they sound like the type of travel they they WANNA do is more like international. Let's go hang up see the world. I will say though up until they're about to. They do fly for free. Yeah so he I think he. You should just head back to South Africa. And she's way to type A for me like I would have trouble being friends with someone like I don't know how friends I don't I I don't know how he he deals with her friends. Being there all the time in the thing I thought was shocking when she was like. Oh He's so codependent. He needs me all the time when it would appear the opposite is true right. She's like Oh oh my friends I would choose them over him because my friends are is there and they have to be everywhere. I am couldn't believe she said that in front of him. I mean that may be true but you have more of a history with your friends and you you do with this guy. You've known for a few months but like to say that to someone. You're engaged to seemed very disrespectful to me. I would never say that in front of someone I duNno Hashtag keeping it real. And that's what she does Hashtag too much hashtag take it down a notch all right last but not least the creeper Angela I mean Michael and Juliana Michael Juliana. He is much older. He is from Greenwich Connecticut. She is twenty three years old. She is from Brazil Bill and her K one visa has been approved after being denied twice for a tourist visa. We find out very early on that. She is in fact on her way to the United States. So Michael shows up to the airport to pick Juliana up in a stretch Hummer limousine. He's such a d. bag which is such a show off unnecessary thing to do. It's just like Sam. Totally out of limousines. You've been limousine before correct. They're not that impressive like it's just as long as I say if he was trying to make a big welcome welcome gesture to her then I could give them the pass on renting a limousine to have her picked up but to me like a stretch. Hummer is like the throw a state is something you do like kids who are going to promise and then right off the bat he starts making comments about Foreign Limo Limo Kern and he looked really serious about it like he looks like and you can see his face. He's like Limo Porn. You know like Michael. Your children are going to watch. This is Michael. Don't say that he's a creeper he's gross gross. A now Giuliana seems very sweet. It's amazing yeah. I can't believe I'm here. I feel like I'm dreaming and somebody touched me and going to wake up like that. In recap and Brazil's and being Trela Ella and I'm just trying to years and I take the risk but I try. I grew up so poor. Bird were cousin. Russ Baker like ten dollars sometimes twenty dollars off. We were collecting recycle. Mottos for by some me. You're so poor nine days this is bigger than anything ever had in my whole life. I mean I I hope works and so you know I have to give her a lot of credit because she seemed to be very humble and isn't coming into this like Anne you you buy me this I eat an iphone etc and then again. She's kind of had Michael's credit cards all along so the last couple of years he's been taking. She's been fine but she does seem very very childlike and immature to me in in some regard but then I go. Oh She's twenty three like she's still very very young so they're in this. Stretch Stretch Hummer limousine on their way from the airport to Greenwich Connecticut. They arrive at Michael's house his apartment and it was a mess astronaut. No they're moving and I mean obviously it's kind of really nice way to move but it just seemed like you was even over the top from moving so they get to his house. His house is a disaster in in her meeting. His kids though was so sweet. The kids are awesome. Max and CC are the best in. She was sweet with them she she was telling. CC A help beautiful. She was and she said. I was so impressed by how smart Max was and the kids like cooked breakfast for her and made her a cake like a welcome to America. Tuxedos Brazil recon. He researched Brazil a little bit right which was adorable that he knew that in Brazil they eat avocado for dessert. And it was really really sweet and cute that they had looked that kind of stuff up in new that about her. The kids seemed to know more about Yuliana coming to the. US and a lot of these other people know about their partners arriving from outside the Lo- sec was like oh well. She said she was a model. And it's obviously true because she's is beautiful. Yes that was a very sweet moment. The kids appeared to like her. They did not throw as much shade at their dad as they have. In the first couple of episodes the big question mark is now going to be what happens when they sit down with Michael's ex wife and the preview sets it up to say listen and you're not gonNA parent my children and no one's ever going to know them like I do. which is a total ma? I mean I would be the same way I'd be like you're twenty three honey like you're still a child yourself so oh and not try to parent my children of Louis End so as far as we know about these two they are now married so it appears here's to be going well for them however if you look at like his social media account he's got pictures of the two of them if you look at hers. He is not on there at all all interesting. I'm curious with this couple. I think for the sake of the show. They're going to be fine but looking a couple years down the road that's going to be the big question mark. Yeah Yeah I don't know then again. She is model so pretty much. Everything on her page is in regards to modeling. But I'm just saying that could potentially mean that she's but with the way that she came on this episode. Where like you said she's very affectionate? Very sweet kisses. You would think such a Dick. She's GonNa Right. She's got a certain point she's going to be like I don't care how much money you have peace out he's like Oh you know you can tell your in Greenwich Connecticut. Look at bentleys. Oh I know that was another thing that he said I just can't I just can't with this dude. He's a criminal. He tries to show off. How much money he has? And how affluent his lifestyle is but people in my experience people who actually do really well don't have to flaunt it and they don't have to like put it in. Your fate is going to get a helicopter to pick up from the airport but outside of outside of his budget and every time they ask like how much money have you spent on her so far Dr. He'd won't say because he wants you to know it's a lot so good news. J. The reality Bites podcast is now everywhere. You can find us on on apple podcast. Google play spotify. Stitcher the iheartradio APP anywhere. You listen to podcasts. Make sure you find us rate and subscribe. We'll be back next week with the new episode of this dumpster. Fire Television show that we have come to love so much.

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The man he wants beautiful accent part of that did it say the had to please read this and just kind of came out. She used to fall to with such distinguished comment about soldier distinguish podcast tackling. Yes various high quality products that is g jewelry. It has scientifically been proven. That's not true but I'm sure there. Your has some correlation between a British accent and intelligence. You'RE SMARTER IF YOU'RE British. It's just backed if you have an accent. Oh man have you seen the UK in the past couple of months well L.. Well oddly enough previously you know we tried to break away from them because we'd been following their social norms for so long. You know we. We came out here here. We fought for our freedom anymore but now ironically now they're copying us our politics and now they're like fifty of of smart people versus really dumb people that should just be when when our universe dies aliens right story about our lives. It'll just be EH stupidity. Versus smartness the the story of humanity known this pack of this plow of dirt. Mind no my power hitter. I may not go get off my plow of. That's going to be our human history. I don't believe in goes but I do believe in aliens that is so I do believe in one hundred percent. Dude I have but I have seen I have had an encounter with an alien though I mean not like an actual like you know what I mean every morning. I sometimes scare myself toilet down there. Go hold the timing no dude like okay real teijin here I was the Digi over. This was like this was like I was a sophomore in high school so I was about fourteen or fifteen. We were in Lake Powell who are in a houseboat dude. I'll never forget at lake. You can literally see like everything like you can see satellites in the sky. You can see every star because there's no lights or anything so there's an anti looking so nice and everything and then at one point appeal you okay Louis. Fell over on in your back. All that's fine it. Tell me sort of shields anyway. So unlike fourteen fifteen over over on in this houseboat dude. overlake Powell go a knock it. I'm GONNA sound crazy. I'm going to sound crazy. You always do. So there's like this is little satellite and I go. WHOA guys look at that satellite? And it's like really far like Whoa. That's far like it's very well Scott and it's like the beat. It's a very small an all the sudden dude. It like comes down. Signs alight and then zips away. Hey I I'm not okay. Before this story continues. Yes what kind of drugs around none none. I was fifteen like I was. I Stop Rob. I I may have had some coronas. Some key were those called a bud. Light Lime Meritas or something like that. All my favorite. They were still yummy. Nightline Mimes Times. They're like that so I may have a lot of those who are not. I'm not kidding you do. Everybody freaked out. There's people on there. I have witnesses do satellite and we go. WHOA that's really far away and looking really cool dude also comes down? Light goes back up zooms off. I'm not kidding. I will take that to the graves. That was so wild house aliens real. That's like what can okay but the thing that worries me happened for twelve twelve Bob. The the thing that worries me is that that story exists exist right next to where your brain thought. You were nine eleven veteran okay. Okay but that is I really dish to Roy during the nine eleven veteran thing. Okay this was I was I was maybe sober and happened. happened do there are people there who can attest to it too. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa talk to them. I'm GonNa make some friends again here. Here's what we need to do. Because I don't think you guys have seen this or listen into it. We'll do this for one podcast in the future. I'll give you guys some homework and then we'll discuss it. There have either be heard of Bob. Lazar Bob Lazar. Is that the dude. WHO's on the Joe Rogan? PODCAST worked at like a place or something like that guy podcast. Who worked at a place that I Taylor? I didn't WanNa do any spoilers just in case you wanted to have alien prize. Yes won't area fifty one. Have you heard of him. Yeah he's they do that. Allegedly worked on alien technology. Yeah but I say that dude let see. Here's the thing. We won't talk too much John it but I've heard it all so I have the and I've made my own like synopsis on and and like you take from it what I will So so for one episode maybe next episode on the future. I'll get you guys to watch it. It's fresh in your mind and I'll I'll listen to it and then we'll go into the podcast and discuss it and we'll talk more about it because it brings up a lot of good stuff and he talks and there are people who are like this guy's crazy this guy's onto it like this is just the truth he woke. There's apparently I get documentary on Netflix. Watch it because it is. The problem was during the podcast. It was Grogan Baba Czar and then and the PR guy. Who's doing the documentary? Four Baba's aren't ruined it. You just shut up did even even joe during the things kind of got to keep talking like we're not here talk to you but yeah he comes off like crazy aliens or are real. You're like okay. I don't believe you but Bob he has some interesting insight so will dedicate possibly a podcast future to aliens and we'll talk more about that but that is reminded me so. We'll put that on our homework and for those of you at home. It can be like like an interactive. You have some homework to. Oh assigning homework now for whatever that podcast is guest. This podcast is telling you to listen to another task but then and comeback to this podcast. Of course yes. Joe Rogan with Baba Czar. Listened to it and then that way you guys can listen to have your own opinions. You'll know more what we're talking about on on stuff there or you can just come into the next one and Liz ran like we always do but I was gonna say I actually saw it this morning on twitter. What terrifying video and the guy goes? I now understand why people believe in aliens and goes. Yeah he goes in his attic and there's two owls If he hadn't told told me I was like what is are those. Yeah like straight up like. Yeah I I could imagine somebody seeing that mill night like yeah. He's crashed the like a picture. It's literally like terrifying. Yeah because like if you didn't know you can like ups curtain almost and it doesn't look like they have liked but like two thirds thirds of their body or just long legs and and so there's like these babies and they're like white and like digital megan there is without feathers are genuinely terrifying. Career is with the micro. My parents have African Gray parodied and I hate that thing more than any other thing in this entire world. All it does is squawk but but it's so good at taking dude like I. I think my parents shine. Give the bird too much credit because unlike Robert the Zaza knows that. It's you like the bird bird knows that it's you but like when I walk past the bird notice it'll go like Robert can and then like my brother Eric. Walk Pass it. It'll go eric and and then like it was so weird like I was home alone today and all of a sudden I hear Meredith. Go Call Dad and I was like man are you home and there was literally really the bird dude and normally I can kinda tell when the bird is talking that time dude. It was clear as day like like marriage should a free. I hate that thing. This could possibly be a segue you could teach you to be like Tundra Crow Demon so sweet it could be like Tintoretto Dodo. He's the best. I love animated. Great will spare them. We're transitioning into anime now. We're all anime may stands here. I mean I'm more so I have a tattoo of an adamant. I'm getting one tomorrow to getting one of Zinni to from Demon slayer are which is probably my newest favorite. Let me pose this question to you. Blue Okay Rob Asked this question here but he goes. Does it make it a Wiebe does it. Make me weep if I already get an anime tattoo. Would you say that if you get one. Noth Rob Rob got his decades. I'm not trying to say he's not a wiebe. You're kind of A. We either have anime Tattoo. I'm already considered more more than we know. I wouldn't say see the thing is I wouldn't say like you're like a hard core. We just say you're definitely a week but like if there's like a scale it would it would be tapping into the we. I'm saddened gone attacks on literally the first anime that you've ever mess departments Harman's who makes you and mind you the second one. You're not getting the second anime you put your time into. You're not getting a tattoo for that as well. He's going to be a bunch of anime. I started attack on Titan today to Maury about getting a Tattoo Assistant. MIKASA might be coming over the saw that one coming. I would give you ideas for tattoos. But they'd be spoilers. You probably wouldn't under really. Yeah Rachel well like thing before you set out sudden Tattoo really well people go rob. Why do you like decades? And it's not like it's not like I just a picture like the reason why this is like for people who don't watch my hero like like Decca when he starts the show like doesn't have a cord doesn't have a power and like his whole life. He's told like he can't be a hero like that doesn't stop him from like trying to do all the necessarily things that a hero does to get to that point of being hero and then like at this very moment like when he defeats like the low muscle dude saves cult that Gu it is literally all those moments and all those little things he was doing on the beach in Lake. Protect an all-night and trying to hang out with Baku. Go and just being a nice kid literally all that leads to that very moment of him getting to that moment of him finally becoming a hero and feeling Selena for one year one million person. I just think a lot. A lot of people have like this weird de coup because they love like there's legit bog on twitter oak stands as well. I think that goes for almost any anime or show. Show wherever the protagonist as you're always going to have those people that screw the protagonist Christ exact like dragon ball like you have the people like I hate go would Geeta and like there's always like points. It's your boost. I hate those people. But but Geeta we'd like see like I don't even think that decker was my favorite character. It's kind of like what like what I see when I see this is like I'm just working hard to finally get to that point. It'd be at that point some point when I like. No I want to be that hero though. That's why I got. I didn't get it because sweet fight was like actually that kind of them and then there's an easy one's gonna be sweet tooth but that's Kinda we'll we'll hold that one on from there. Yeah no this one is six fold pseudo. That shows. Yeah well I mean I was watching my hero and then you're like dude. You gotTa Watch demons like okay like I'll watch things like two days later. I was already caught up like seventeen like to win because it was what episode is Sorta like trending on twitter The spider yeah so like everybody was like this. This is the anime ever and I was like all right. Well I guess like I'll have to watch it so I didn't Sweden. I don't regret it's awesome. The funny thing too is I know one even turn me on the Demon slayer I think it would just scream cruncher all right before I was about to deal a cardio. That's US WANNA watch it. And I saw like new episodes because normally normally like all the front page new recent episodes so the demon slayer. It's like ten episode is when you see that so then I click it and like I watched the first episode and I was like. Oh yeah all right well. Like I didn't immediately click for me and I just did but then a couple of days I wanNA see where this goes uh-huh after like the third episodes boom mode and then and then everyone can do like final selection and all that kind of stuff starts to like when he cuts the boulder and stuff like like that. this is probably spoilers. We should probably emphasize that. We're probably may be talking anime. Spoilers here a little bit possible. I mean we're not gonNA go like no you adapt or not gonNA would be like that last in this episode of Like my hero season for episode. Three my thoughts. Oh my God my Wi-fi now we're not GonNa what was your first animated. But what's the first anime you ever saw like that really kind of turned you on Tanna may or maybe that turns you on intimate for me. Drag Abbasi was the first one I ever watched but like Dragon Ball. Z wasn't a anime cartoon that like I like to walk balls definitely anime. Well I take it back from Japan but yeah but when we were kids like it wasn't the anime wasn't a thing it was just a cartoon like for by. It's an anime now but like for me. Always kind of just be a cartoon animator. I know what you're saying but dragon ball I think for most people was like the entry point anime and Dan desperately in the Western Audience Breezes Saga well though I was just GonNa say the thing about dragging ball to is it was like that and a few other ones you you you you use just a few of those boy up yet like birth especially dragging birth so how many of these animatronic tropes we now see they all come back from dragging so that's why people sometimes if they haven't seen him I loved him on the go back. This is so corner like I've I've seen this done a million times that's because started from Dragon Ball and dragon balls like over the top and did all that stuff but like that's where a lot of it like like Power ARC's wchs power levels and tournament tournament. ARC's yeah like all this kind of stuff came from Dragon Ball and so that's why like it seems out of place for like somebody who didn't grow up on that or start with that goes back. I mean. Yeah it doesn't hold up the same. I can't tell you how many enemies well I guess a couple but like at some point every the animated there is a tournament and they are they are going to my favorite. It doesn't matter what happens natural because you put all the characters in the show together either for some fuck shit is because we yeah. I don't care like tournament. That's the same way drag unim- Carolina what's his next payroll. Screw it her reign here red hair black hyphen young buck. Show Me Bald. I don't care what was your it was so my here would be years ago. You Anatomy Right. We'll hard yeah hardcore for sure but then like I like the problem with like my heroes rose like the. I like the animation and stuff like that but I like it more so for like kind of like the story and like not so much the action and stuff I like how it makes me feel makes conspired like go out and do something rob so but like when I'm watching like demon slayer like attack on Titan. Now give me that sweet action baby like the intimation in those are like is so it's so good. That's the high budget enemies. They're like demon slayers like some next level budgeting in slayers that high budget Yoyo on a different level of high budget. which so as you probably know Rob I don't know if I told you boost like Claire. Recently I started watching Demon slayer theses caught up now but she was like. I don't get what people are saying about the art of Demon slayer what are you writing. As what do you mean like it is so good. Is it's very cool to animations specially like when they're battling And the bat like the water enemies just alley and then they they have like the line art the shading everything. Is You look at some anime. 's and then you look at that and it's just nine day it's completely different. Well well I mean this is like what kind of what got US talking about. animate was watching it today and then I I was thinking what pointed watching anime. Become cool because there was a really big stigma at least when I was in high school in like Middle School and all that like anime was definitely kind of like not the cool thing to do and like I never really did it or anything like that so I mean it was always kind of like you watch anime. You're Kinda like weird so like we did like now. It's like you don't walk like you need to go like do that it now though. I don't know whenever that came about. I think maybe when I think this story so what God beyond my hero was it. Is The music that dude so dodge. We're at guarding con. Dodgers hungover passed out. We're like we gotta wake up Dodge in traffic. I know to do like grabs his phone plugs. It into like this big speaker decides playing. The view could become a hero theme from my hero and all of a sudden dodges emerges from the room goes. This song is so sick and then with the party was saved. Thanks to my here and I was like what is this. It sounds great. And he's like dude. It's my hero like go home and watch it and my hero. Save me from my depression all after that and then everybody clapped exactly one of those. Everyone celebrates your all superstar about it blue. As what was the anime stigma like for you grownup died. I didn't really have it. I don't really tell people I was like a anime freak. I just kind of watched it whenever so you weren't animated. frigging like what was was your first anime like besides like dragging what was your first light would not do like Enron and so Naro towards like the one that really got me into watching consuming more but having explain this. It wasn't until later in the show like around. I'm like the I wanNA say everyone's watch the shooting exams. Yeah that's really what I was like Bro. Enemy is fucking 'cause because that's the show. Those sick is fucking arc. So Naro Nari turned in the night was beaten the Shiite each other grow animate sick so right around. That point was when I really we saw like consuming more and looking for more. I never really had like a stigma because I didn't really tell people I washed just figured it was like fucking sick. I'm GonNa Watch it. Pug I still get goosebumps from that scene with Gara versus Rockley pro and drops the like the training waits a everyone's like oh H- training rates aren't going up crates like a crater in the ground. What he's like? Oh feels much bows like. This is sick do it is time consider Avatar last day rendering enemy. It's early cartoon. It is what for me so the way people you look at it was it. Was it made in the West. It's a cartoon afterwards me in the West. But it's a I would say it's the closest thing like Western people make to an end is anime style is say anime style. You're saying it's just japanese-style yeah like really just. It can't be anime unless it's made pan it's like it's like Y que. POPs called K.. Bob and a pop main Korean. It's just like it depends on a thing you you can get close to it but for the most part especially Western wise. There's always some influence with Western. But I would say Avatar as far as things made in the West or one of the closer things to anime we have but it's still a card core was probably the closest we've ever gotten firm like a Western cartoon until you have like a anime style but you know what I mean like an anime style animation. It will just call sometimes like Western enemies cartoons. I would guess people will call enemies which is probably about as close as you can get but ultimately today and anime is not like. Oh it's this or that it's literally wasn't may Japan. Yeah no on anime. Are there any Western animates today. That like you can even think of a that you watch. I can't even. I think the tests test would be. Did it catch on Japan like Ben Ten. Then that's sad is a Blues House for measuring friends the enemy the enemy animated we labs to that one a lot. Samurai Jack. I would say that's an inanimate nouns close close I would definitely. I wouldn't go netflix. Skull that like Western anime. Yeah that was up there. I obviously very interesting cultures of. Yeah I mean that's super. Did they put a maybe. It was on Netflix or something but they did a recent. It was made me lash. Yeah need to really want to jump in time of same Rajak and ending this him. A great show. I need to finish attack on Titan. I that's the that's the first goal. That's great anime. And and this is a great ad. Oh is ever wonder what you do if you found yourself. In the middle of a post apocalyptic world that's been ravaged by a deadly virus inflicted by aliens from the makers of hunter killer the popular true crime. Mystery subscription game comes escape the evasion the sci-fi game where you are the survivor on a rapidly dying earth after an alien invasion. Here's the plot. You Find Refuge in a government bunker but is it safer than the outside world. Can you trust your fellow survivors. You think you're safe now. But there's there's a council that creates and controls every aspect of life in the bunker. 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Naruto was definitely the one I watched that in middle school because middle school was I think what blue was talking about or at least when it was airing on it was like all the way up to the tuning art I think it got up until Shipton and then there was a hiatus when I lost track of it and I've never watched shippen. I still need to wait. So I thought she Putin is Naruto It's the same way dragon. Ball and dragon ballsy okay shipping. Yeah though I technically watch watch like Dragon Ball. Just not Z.. Because I've lost track of it and then I didn't know what Air Ballo Baugh and then I tried to recently ban college Pick it back up when I was I was like sick but that was when when I realized. Jesus there's so many filler episodes man really yeah you gotTa skip a lot of. Oh and I didn't know about the list. There's a list now like famously. You just look like narrative filler list. It's literally something crazy. Like skip episodes two hundred and twenty two three hundred or something. I'm like that. What are those episodes like narrow tummy ache like what? Yeah like saying. It's a haircut. Adventures of like the basically all the getting richer the main character to the show and just none of it has any impact on like the overall arc or it's all like self contained in each episode. NARUTO is like one one of the worst examples of a show that caught up so quickly to the Manga. Kinda slow it down because the show would legit the show would catch would be like within like thirty chapters of the Manga one point so the show just like well Hanmi season and then people I thought they were done in Djibouti and with with Filler. Nope he's another. That's crazy. Well that's why I appreciate it like Demon slayer for instance Because I I taught like like the third episode. Whatever when they did like the trials Broke this Arto. That's the first hundred emigrants like episode. One two three is like episode. One to one hundred NARUTO. There's no point. Yeah that's why the higher budget and I mean that's why they're higher budget is because there's more packed into it. That's usually why they draw. Sadler twenty episodes. Yeah that's why lower budget once dried out. More of the animation isn't as well. Yeah they get more out of it. But there's less content. The higher anime like higher budget and stuff like attack on Titan even considered high budget. It's up there. Yeah it's it's definitely higher but it's and there's Winston seasonal and may yeah. I wouldn't say it's like to the level tackle tyner deem slayer but it's a it's definitely higher than some of the other ones do raw. Get so lucky. Because he larry started like right after my hair started like the to the highest budget animated. Yes show very tight a good time to start and then like I have those so any other animals people are telling me well. It's like a ton of them starting now and then I hear like seven deadly sins. That's a good one. I hear like black clover. I haven't one. I've heard heard one on one punch me. I've heard I've heard one piece is pretty good but I've heard one piece is also like a struggle to get got three. Let me tell you you've watched one piece. I gave that show so much more of a chance than deserved for me. Like I got two hundred episodes in and people were like no not it gets it gets better a couple more hundred episodes and I'm like you know I don't think the enemy screaming you know what I don't know if ever watched a show that goes on for two two hundred episodes that that's like I thought it was bad when it's like just get through first season a breaking bad you've got get through the first two hundred episodes give to the first five hundred hundred one please. He's dude gets good then for sure. Jesus Man Yeah. That's my problem is like those episodes like dragon balls. Daunting like if I didn't start dragging by probably wouldn't watch just because for me like seeing that many episodes at stressful well. That's for sure it has a lot of. There's a lot of really boring Romans. That's why I don't watch a lot like that's why I'm very afraid to start new animates because like it just seems so daunting like just watching a lot of episodes but even but like I was even what do just watch one MM punch. Because there's like twenty episodes each ten episodes or not even how many how many seasons of their two to ten episodes heard one punch though so gets worse and season two because the animation studio's like different or something. People got really nit-picky I wasn't that big of a deal to me okay. It's definitely not as good this season. One like animation wise. But you get used to it and maybe to you might notice it more if you bend it and then immediately start season two buffer me. Yeah for me. It'd been like a year and a half two years since I've seen seen one. I was just waiting the season to pick back up and I was like his whole different but now whether for me it wasn't as big of a deal Joe. Joe's adventure adventure was one. I was hearing about religious laws. I live by my chat every other day. Have you started this one. Mike is now still watching a fucking Joe Joe Reference No. I just recently started firefighters as you see. That's another one. I think you told me that you showed me the intro to that intro song so good dude. That's like like probably the most important thing for me is like if the anime intro is lit. I'm watch this like there are few anime. As where. Don't skip the intro. And when I don't Eh when you know it's real attack on tight attack on Titan Art Time Demon slayer Air Force C. I normally skit full. If I can ever skip that one start all straight up at his tear heat intros. I started Full metal alchemist brotherhood. Right that's like the neuro one. Tonight's confident do it. And I heard that one is just crazy. Like there's some Naruto themes I love doing. Don't the Dan and is is that you are. My friend won't blue. That's the that one's not for a long one five eighteen hero at that by Donald Right here right now. I don't She had a pretty good one. But there's kind of different though that one was really weird like a sailor moon anime. Now I think about or is that a Western via that's it is okay. Wow that was western light dubbed That's like poly let last week my sister's supergun into that SAILORMAN and Innuendo I think that was that was onto Nami way back in the day that we like to watch. Don't ask me you'd never see you sync engine milliard wherever it's called what's it called ruined Kinchen year. That was that I love him. Yeah but that was before like I knew was an animal. That's like yes I was maybe like seven or eight now. That was like I should not have been watching that. Show a bloody ash show as long as it's so funny they'll back at those for like like you hawk show and stuff and you can just tell like that was an early nineties animate As midnight just whatever by ardiles title the dead giveaway always choose. The nose was the nose look like. Is it a triangle. Nineties probably nine early two thousands as as artists. What are you guessing is drying and blue? I know you probably trying don't give. What is the hardest thing to draw like when you're drawing person for you guys? The Person Hands Hands. No you are a good art. You can't draw people that it's the worst thing at all really. Aren't that bad I I. I hate drawing hands hands. Those can be tough are so specific and I hate drawing them. I just I just can't drop at for me. It's Proportions in anatomy. I just like you can't make legs as long as the tourists. I just like the picture. Never been like that thing like I've just never been good at People humans and I just never put much time into it now. Yeah I mean I'm not much of a people either. What's your favorite kind of art style to draw fuck around? I love to just doodle doodle. Yeah that's the one thing. I Miss Best. Do you learn of course these notes Bro. My notes were Minos were fresh. They were no margin drip. Yeah there were no margins budgets low thirty minutes and a classmate now I haven't done any of this. Yeah whoops what are we talking about the champ starving patterns in my notepad like like an entire pages one big super pattern. I made the I would just sit there and be pissed because I can't doodle if I would just do this. Only a doodle doodling and I had no idea. How do we just kind of happened? And I would just do the s the little three lines the cool ass. That's all I would later. I'll be delaying. I'd say your hand in there and then I'd also draw penises UNISOM on my friends like journals and stuff come on come on. Wouldn't be school without exactly. Our teacher got really mad at us. One day 'cause we let's all we would do is like on our our papers Pena's if the best part is if you're able to jog penis on somebody's paper and they turned it in without noticing. That was how you won easily. Didn't like that though he I really they upset there was forget who was my Spanish class. These thought it was funny. Just draw Dick airy vainly dicks on everyone's paypal ape when they weren't looking really. Yeah terrible and in pen to just Gargantuan could probably just like I'm like pro and there's nothing you could like you can't make us kind of scribbles heart as you can like. There's no what are you. What are you doing though? He's like doing that like we not watching or something he just like takes your paper or argued returned to end or something like he finds so in great. Frank has my paper now. I'm free free free. Put the paper down Frank. All right we're going to be picking off orange. Everyone just looks. He's not Franken Here we go. The frank was weird he would straight up flashes ashes balls and the peanut he was messed up dude. Yeah we went to the same school. How do I not know this Franken And it was named wasn't frank but I don't remember members actual otherwise I could get your book. One of the he was you'd have your yearbook. You know one of the weirdest things has that ever has happened to to me and you I think. I don't think you think it's as weird as me but I think it's super weird in eighth grade. Remember you like I had you like draw me. That like dodgeball. Orange Ball emblem and like drew like this big dodge ball kind of picture. It was like a plan and it had like rings around it and on top of the dodgeball. You wrote the Dream Team. Above like the dodge ball thing. I remember like looking back at that like oh my gosh. What a premonition? I knew the whole time Tom. I we we were going in. Herman Trademark Man know. If I'd known I would've not chosen the dream talked about. You said that you would pick INSEE away from that name but it's it's just because it's like the just so ambiguous. Yeah and we can't be the Dream Team. Is The basketball like the Jordan team. That is Dream Team when people talk about. Yes good boomer. The Dream Team I go all Larry Bird Michael Jordan and ninety four basketball taste. Yeah and then you ask people today the Dream Team they say us but not sometimes. There's random people that who yeah like. They'll just call themselves the Dream Team now but then people like the Dream Team that I know are these guys and it's like they should come up with some more unique like why I couldn't even like I don't know what I could have done something I just didn't think it would. It would catch. I definitely didn't I thought we would do videos. And that was it. I mean it certainly catcher than the inefficient squad is that what was that what you said that was like the what am I called us like that. I play Guardians. Yeah the whole joke was like we just sucked talked And it was like these three teams just absolute Boehner's as call us the inefficient quote which I think even in the video I misspell big. Joe Walsh unofficially. Yeah not inefficient. I felt like I meant inefficient. But for some reason I spell unefficent so rip me but yeah that's certainly certainly captured in that I guess but it is a lot catchier than that. I mean I couldn't think of anything I thought the because then you put Larry Bird Imagine. That's why I did it. Yeah because if someone says like the dream towns like Oh yeah sure. We'll do that and then they just caught on now sack because now we're here it's green team by your merch top that Merch by our merge we don't have a blue US allies merch. Don't plug it anymore please. Can we won't plug it anymore than jokes. 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We sacrifice Blues Body Blue. You're in it okay You are getting written on all right. Yeah it was fun to Tattoo right on me. Tattoo artist in this one goes after Roger we had a couple early adopters leave some questions supporting will. We'll address these real quick as this short question segment. We'll figure out where it will go in future. podcasts telling what's been on it depends on what you guys want to talk about but the first one comes from Debbie Hollow for Sport Dan he asks which is the Best Star Wars movie. Also do you think there is a movie that gets a bad rap but you think is good. Well that's easy. The Best Star Wars is Empire strikes back is probably one of my favorite movies. Ever probably just in the whole program is like the grand scheme of things. That movie is perfect. I can't think of one bad thing a disabled empire though. Don't say anything bad about it because I will okay. 'cause I love that movie more than anything Lou. Would you agree. Empire Empires empires the degree. It's just it's it's not. Just one of the best stars moved over to was one of the best science history of mankind really right and then like last jet is probably the worst sci fi story ever are interesting story so you remember when I had them I I finally rob's been raving about for so long so I find a way to get a massage last week and I would like to slow go. It's like a chain place. I'm not going back to say like I got like a deal for like first time. Whatever so it wasn't much damage at least but I go to this thing and I merely tell robby robin relief that dude talk the entire session? That's just didn't stop talking. I couldn't relax axe but I did learn a lot about him and he is a nerd and he loves star wars and stuff who actually told me all about what he knows or has read about bout with the last Jedi. During your massage I told you Dade Suss. Are you kidding me. Talk About Lash jazz a lasting on here dude. We talked about last jeter and so apparently the way it worked. And I'm sure maybe maybe this as He certainly had me sold on it while he was not me. Relax in that stress. Is that enough so apparently obviously. Jj did episode seven. And the whole idea was this trilogy was supposed to kind of mirror the original trail. Yeah right what's up with that. So Force Awakens mirrored a new hope we that was super Yet it's a little too closely but what's wrong with dad's a great a great story. I mean it was a bad movie is just like your like remax. They didn't start hip like they didn't. They didn't try anything. They played it really safe episode seven and then just one eighty nine episodes and apparently what happened J.J. Abrams going off. Whatever but here he'd written like the rough blueprint of eight nine and he's a hero Ryan Johnson? Like this is what we're GONNA do. Yeah and so. Apparently eight was supposed to again. Be like a mirror of empire strikes back to the dark side kind of win. Yeah everything's looking kind of heroes. How can you even play the arises? The favourite wine do something. So what happens is Ryan Johnson. Yeah Okay Yeah sure so. He writes his own though. And in essence it's the people like green light. Whatever and I was like how but if you kind of boil it down if you look at just the the bones the structure of the story it kind of follows the same like heroes their visiting this they they fail and then their escape and then they're on the Rhine like so oh bad yeah? It's so bad I hate them and so like he kept to like the big points. Jj had which was supposed to be like like that the Casino Casino world was supposed to happen Aj but with him at what what was supposed to happen was ray with specify kylo on that on the planet author. Yeah they're supposed to meet they're not about not about your horses running around within and rose yes rose was supposed to be added to the story so but the thing is we don't know how how it could have been different and not feel so strange. Yeah but like rose and and go to the planet like so he has a structure and so like yet et roughly follows what he did but overall he then just had those structures but then how he gets to them and then how they play out is just yeah. Why are my biggest issues with last jet I is is? There's there's two things have really big issue with it. One is literally lay a win win. She's she's just like took me out of the movie. I we laugh Christmas. 'cause like for me too. I was like Oh this is how to kill. This thousand has an all man like that's it and can say where I'm like what I heard a guy that back with. What's Sir Robin? I hate about watching. It wasn't like a good one. I was like what is this. And then the other part I I have an issue with is it. There's one scene in this movie that like everybody for some reason loves and I hate more than anything because it destroys the continuity that we know of light speed in its whole entirety in the all star. Wars don't tell me you did not like it when it's sliced through. That is so so no that is so so stupid because whenever anybody is in light speed ever. Why don't they run into anything? In that scenario they do. I mean that's also most of the counterpoint skyline on the fact that if there is light speed technology then there is technology to counteract it and pull out of light speed. If you're going fast imagine it's like GPS same thing. I mean like even like no man's sky does that hyper speed but then you come too close to an object so but like goes into light speed or any other ships ever. They've never ran into anything ever. It's just been a clear path for them right right in front of them forever. Ba- find Geez. You underestimate how empty space and how big spaces. It's pretty empty. I guess I suppose I hate that scene because I didn't like that Cedar I because of that but a lot of people explained to me that I also just hate it would not be out of the robot abilities and I think in books and stuff. They've talked about this that there is technology to counteract light speed specifically to pull and like What's the word Intercept light speed objects. We also can't get too hung up on realistically like we shouldn't hear anything like when people when people. This is the biggest thing that I never really thought about but in all the fights it's a miracle that everyone shows up facing up in the right direction a lesson because we're just assuming yeah that up is the same for everyone which is not the case in space. Everyone's always upright facing the way it would be like. Everyone is facing weird Europe side. Dan and I gotTA keep hitting the fruit But yet so it's like at some point you just gotta be like this is just what it is. And that's why there's that once when it like at the very beginning of the movie when like rose's sister sacrifices self-select drops drama on yet. But Dr. There's there's no gravity and space propel it all you have to do is give you do. And then just doesn't stop. Just those kind of things are things that movie's just hold a when she's like she's like I'm not going to tell you my plan and then the guy's like hey I'm GonNa move near the Shit because you're not doing a good plan. She's like well. My whole plan in the whole time was to run away from these people and did not tell you like then. Why don't you just tell me what you're playing lady in me? Not Having a plan this whole like thing. It's so stupid. I hate to be the defender of legit I because I don't think it was a good movie but if Poe thought that there were Defectors on the ship. Then why would she not have the same reason to not trust him. But why don't you just tell them. Like hey the plan is to get could be but it's damn to us. It's pope but too dumb ass. I'm not going to be a little hothead kind of dig it. I mean because if you get it from her point W he was like he kept acting out. He wasn't listening to orders like yeah he kinda and then also on. At was also very weird. Let's not forget back. But they did have some some of my favorite cemetery from owns the like the this the hyperspace slice. He's a beautiful. The Hamami was sick. Like you have some cool action but like story wise and stuff like the Red Throne Room. That was sick. Fights just shouldn't happen while he was a high that is it's not as if you go back. Did there's like a partner so many commoner. We're like Ray Mrs like to like duck or something like that so the dude just just like Mrs her own purpose. I haven't like if you really. Yeah I have. I've seen the movie like the one time I didn't theaters. I don't have at one. Appoint the Dude legit beats her and he could just stabbed her in the chest but oh my word my sore go but my biggest problem the whole smoke thing because if this turns out true and the person behind this the entire time as Palpa team at ruins the entire Skyward Walker saga at ruins anakena entire. WELL THE PROBLEM IS IS I. Don't think. Jj Men for it to go to the emperor. I think his hand was kind of forced. With the way Ryan ended episode. A prince knows. No yes all right. My theories I think snow was supposed to be darth plagues the wise and was supposed to be somebody who cheated dead and waited for the emperor to die for his chance to like become like the real person and then the way will not convince jar. And then we'll go onto farts arts in places so and then like one of my favorite theories is the staff that Ray has and how ray becomes like Djeddai or like has like force powers as she she finds you know how she goes in ships and stuff and like is like a junker like takes all these things. The staff she has is dark play is a staff and because he was able able to like do like chlorine and stuff like that she gets like some of those like in her from the staff that like he's been wielding but then nope nope Brian Johnson just cut them in half and we go. NOPE nope it's bad break. Okay Yeah I'd break. Hey guys my name is rare Carmona and I host was that good for you a podcast. All about sex and relationships we cover everything from kinks too long distance dating and everything in between the podcast right now. If you're interested in mind subscribe for more antics. We have words of the day we talk all things sacks and if you WANNA be on my podcast call four two four two four five five one zero to and leave me a voicemail with question or story or basically anything you want. Okay now you can jump back in and when he finished up checkout that good for you and welcome back to the podcast cut you off blue. Continue my apologies. Okay see if your theory holds water. Then right then wouldn't wouldn't you be led to believe that darth play guests despite getting cut in half could still come back. Yeah I still sounds like such a sick theory. I hope it actually happened so it sounds so cool. There has to be something I can't be. There has to be something my my issue with is like they make snow seemed like the super powerful guide. He knows everything like he makes. Ray and Kylo talk to each other in these folks visions. I keys the. He's like the controlling the strings and everything and then for him not to feel his own. Lightsaber slowly like turn towards him and then turn on and cut him in half or maybe he saw saw this happening. And it's like one of those things like this has to happen in order for. He's like Dr to train at one point during he's like yes. I can feel you like turning it onto the person that you want to strike down. So maybe he is talking to himself in that regard but I don't think Johnson is smart like my. My problem was obviously the. The theme of the movie was circumvent expectations. Even if it doesn't make sense just circumvent expectations because episodes haven't played it to say for whatever I'm going to prove everyone wrong. I don't know the problem is even if you kill snow there. And that's it and people like well. Yeah but that's just not good storytelling. It's not it doesn't matter if like yeah that might have actually happened with her but like this is movies. This is a story that is a fad. Same story thrones had lassie's yeah like you. You're just. There is a point to like like with game of thrones like to kill the kill and I think I think I mean we talked about this a lot but earlier in the seasons a lot of people died and it felt like people are just dying for the sake of time but really it was still moving. The story for their deaths still had some impact even if it seemed empty but like snakes. Death was empty. If that's all that there is an and I mean we won't know until this new all but well when you end episode by problem with episode. The my biggest problem is like when you end up seven who arrays parents who smoke. Who is all like all this stuff all those eight oh race nobody nobody person? Oh No oh he's dead. Oh Kyle wants to. We like Darth vader. No he doesn't. He destroys his mask and wears. It's Oh and I thought well I obviously had that theory while ago like raise going to be. The bad pershing was like that would be cool story. NOPE that's just. They're still going the same usual or it appears because not like the ray a dark cloak. That's if that was actually happened. They would not have teased that I I. It's A. It's a nightmare. Yeah it's it's like when Luke goes in the injury and like Darth vader's mask. I think something like see that car that brings tension because we get to the final fight. You're like Oh what if he would actually actually turns that sick. That's storytelling. Yeah but yeah and now I don't know I drank. Keep doing this decision where it's like. Oh what if we do the opposite of what they. I thought there's never there's literally never been a show or story or anything where people were like. Oh they did the opposite what I what I thought they would do. Wow that's so sick. That's no no no one ever is like wow. That's so sick. Did Not do what I explained. My problem is like back. To game of thrones when they leak literally allude to John Snow killing the night king literally the entire tire show. And then we're finally get to that point. Aria comes out of the fucking shadows for the dagger flying like a Bat outta hell as Kilson. The stupid like that doesn't make any sense. Why did the light bring John's Novak? Why did like anything else happened before that? So that's why. Jj Jay was supposed to be done after that percents heaven brought like Jj had to come back because now he's he literally he's essentially like these. Okay he got us here. How can we get back? He's got to bring back the emperor I guess so now. He's doing whatever he can to like. Bring it back contract but the guy also told me interesting enough because I was like. How are they GONNA do this? All Carrie Fisher scenes in this new movie are apparently one chief filmed for I did force awakens or the fallen whatever lash I shed your last Jedi That wasn't used and they're just repurposing them and making them seem like they work with the new one and the ninth. Yeah I hope so I was like how are they gonNA yeah. I can't imagine that any scenes were speaking of Star Wars. Did you guys hear that like David. Benny off and like The game of thrones guys. They're not doing their Star Wars movies. Thank God well well. Here's the thing though is people were like. Yeah that's what they deserve. They did it because he got a three hundred million dollar deal with net flicks. Alex was there. Three hundred million dollars. Netflix some movies. Like that's why they're like screw that we're GONNA go to Netflix Even more money but then it's like yes they don't ruin stars but then it's like wait way. But they ruined game of thrones for ruining not ruining anything and then it's yeah well now I don't have either of those nothing and now I'm just sat in hate them even more will I feel like Disney's having a hard time in general is finding people to do star wars. They've gone through. So many directors is Star Wars. Some people are just. It's like this is. This is too much especially after what Ryan Johnson situation. They're like what people think. I messed it up. Your action for the series is what I just see especially when baggage seems like. They don't really know where they wanted to go. Okay who's crazy. I'm over the SKYWALKER. Like I didn't even want this neutral g to touch on it. But she how they wanted it to be a conclude. I would like to see like A. I don't know if he has ever played nights of the old republic I would I would love. This one is asked for ever been in movies. We're supposed to fuck then. They would've like. I'm glad that they're not doing anymore. Bob Do it there. Disney you know republic commando movies. Did that game was sweet republic. Amanda Books Oh the game came out and I don't read many books. Books Buksh are tired but some good books. I'm GonNa tell you anybody out there who's even fanshawe's read the Republican Manda our listeners. Four or five and do it did. It is so freaking good. Yeah I liked it my favorite games so back to answer the question that we left about twenty minutes ago something about what's your favorite stores movie. and which is one that you think better APP despite being good for you it would hundred percent empire strikes back I don't think much argument there But as far ars like movie that is given a bad rap but honestly as a lot for me really. Yeah 'cause like from eight one I don't even know when you like. Would you like if someone said talk some shit about would you be like I will dive as all you did not i. I never ever realize many people don't like it but I'd say looper. Apparently some people like hate that movie Kluber. He's but that's actually the movie. I saw in theatres the most five times five times talk movies. Dark Knight was the move. That's great but no one's GONNA argue darkness but looper That one probably up there. I would have to because for me like I'm hard to not please like that's what I was talking about with. Game of thrones like seasoning. It wasn't great but it was what it was fair enough. I wish it was better but like I'm not not for me a lot of I guess. Entertainment out of it was it that bad. No like it's okay like I'm not too hard to please the end of the day I just like entertainment My movie would probab- I have to That new What's the new Harry Potter? Like crimes of Brisebois fantastic task beasts and where to find him the latest one that just grim wall. Yeah everyone hated it dude. I liked it. I had a good time like I thought it was good. I I remember Superman. That'd be my yet to tear as really bad. That was fine then again when I was at the movie theater I got tickets. last-second Sydney the national this breaking and it was like our first date movie sweet like I still think that could have been better but like I was like that. That wasn't that like but for my reason was because the tomato scores at twelve percent. And it's like you look at some movies as like the the I have a problem with ratings scores and video games movies. They're also arbitrary and sometimes so petty like twelve percent. Ah that would be like some low budgets Somalian film in the middle of nowhere with like a couple of the agent and like the back of their back. This is not a twelve percent chant movie. Yeah there are some problems but like some people. That's why it was like I was going like this is going to suck. Yeah that was not. That's not that bad now. It's not that bad and Bat Fleck staticy go but that's probably one of the hotter tanks. What about you do that? People don't like but you enjoy probably episode three hours I people. Hey the prequels but I thought episode three was right up there in quality episode. Threes vary. Okay I I think it was a great movie I think. Just because it's attached to the prequels it got a bad rap. My only problem with episode three is that like doc and it seems like no he has to have a trial. And then he's like no we gotta kill a mannequin. But that's not cool and then like and can like Kinda kills me as we do. Then antigens like all right. I'm a bag now. visit other kids. Yes Sir all right. Here's my take attack of the clones use the highest one literally. The only take why though I loved. It's the only time we see so many Jedi we we never get that. That's just like a deck call. Seem seem that's why I want to the Republican. I want to go back to where this I want to go back to. Where respect your opinion I I just want like for me? It's like the star was we don't normally get to see because right now in the universe. It's like there's two. There's one jet I want to go back to like nights the republic wherever that. That's just the northern temples. Were just temples yet. Jet I and V everywhere. It's not a couple like a couple of people who don't even know how to fight right but like masters like going on and stuff. That's the only reason I liked to. We're just getting to see that I do like the scene in that movie was what would do yeah and that was cool too. Because we didn't didn't get a fee iota ever really be iota we know he's like this mastered but we never really have seen doing anything. The problem with the prequels is shows like some. I don't WanNa see in politics. Don't show me like the courtroom and leg. Everybody welcome made the Janai look like dumb asses. Yeah really did not see any whatever. Yeah we talked about stores that was long we may or may not take this much time on the sections apologies. All Jews will probably try and be better about the next one is from then of the mob. Stigma Bob Thing Bob the cutoff. Aw Thing Finger Mahbob Romy is. That can't tell a worse place you've been to and why worst place I've been to and why All right if you live in this state I do not want you to be offended and I live in Colorado and we live in the continental divide. So I am a Water SNOB IF I can't drink the water out and attack if I can put water in the shower if if I can't brush my teeth in the shower if I can't just feel clean coming out of the shower. Don't go to Iceland Laura when I take a shower in Florida I I feel like I'm taking a shower in swamp water it smells. It doesn't just probably have swamp it's gross and like I just don't feel clean gene ever when I'm there I just feel sweaty. Hi I just can't do it. The humidity I lived in one of those dry states in the country like I just Colorado water-quality was pretty plugged by the way very pogs when I was taking a shower. I'm used to my skin really dry but I have to admit I did not have to moisturizer usually and I love Colorado and that. That's the problem is like. I'm a big water SNOB. So when I go to somewhere like Florida where the water like tap water is like not touch. That like. Don't drink that. Ah got put in a British filter. That's I don't let Florida for me wise because I just I. I just don't have access to water that I do here blue. What about you work place? You've been to worst place I've ever been do Winter Park Florida heart. Florida Boorda shifting. What is Winter Park Florida like? Is it like right up like gets shredded like just a super college town Omega Call. Everyone gets drunk and everyone gets wasted and every place you go to all smells like cigarettes. It's not like that anymore whenever I went it. They're literally all the people I ever met. Were just yo party Bro. Bro Get so fucking drunk bro Amateur. Like I'm just here to do my studies. I'm here to go to Hayward Park Florida. It's great great a lot of good food there though the backup backup no no no no no. It's not it's not what Park Moana Beach Florida. Another place place I've ever The Daytona beach for spring break. What okay so? We'll it's Florida right and my first thought with all my friends who aren't from in-state Florida. Let's go to a bunch of different beaches. She's right. Let's go have some beaches. We go to new SMYRNA. That places pod we go to go down to Key West fucking beautiful keys and then we go to Daytona beach. Daytona beach is a place I went to. I feel like I legitimately think I might get stabbed by homeless person to own a beach Florida. You'll get stabilized the dirtiest place I've ever been to and what I went there like. Oh there's the whatever describe racing circuit it. Bro Looked abandoned postbox liftings explores the worst place I've ever been to dunk there got so at Florida. Yeah I lived there. I'll put it this way. I didn't know better for meet. Meet the water. That's just what I was used to the humidity. That's just what I was used to go back now. How did I ever live in humidity? How how did I shower and I put like a towel? How like on the rack for next week? Yes he is dry here for the wet for three weeks and then doing you got the skaters. Here's down there to put like a barrier over your pool like come on It's just like Orange George but a screened porch and stuff we had to you have to. You don't have a choice. Do not have a choice now. You are you in your sleep. Don't get them gators malaria. Go brother for me. It would be. He like Bow Lake Powell. I mean and that's because of my traumatic as you had a terrible war or whatever that little town is right next where we stayed Powell where the people are rude. It was also just next Lake Powell and the people were rude to be home. The only nice thing was the denny's asking asking you some good food. Scott a good denny's be I'd have to say like Powell strictly for just my experience like some other people feel like that's the best place I fear. It's the difference of experiences spirit. Yes that would probably have to be up there for like my worst. I've been I've been around a lot of like we like us every Shane uh-huh like we'll cities here and there that properly. Yeah I wouldn't Wouldn't really recommended but the one that just comes to mind is asked me like Lake Powell. Yeah if we're talking like location wise not like a state or anything home depot. I Hate I hate home depot more than any place in this whole world ever. I hate him. I love the smell. Uh No have like like new pint literally like literally reminds me. Just go in. My Dad would be fixing something stupid in the house and I literally have to be a home depot for two two hours looking at. Oh look the snap on tool Robert this is going to be able to fix. The furnace is like. Oh my God I want to die. I hate it here. Home Depot and Florida Laura Home Depot in Florida and. That's the less. 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Valve Declines Half-Life 2 Remake - Kinda Funny Games Daily 05.22.19

Kinda Funny Games Daily

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Valve Declines Half-Life 2 Remake - Kinda Funny Games Daily 05.22.19

"What's good everybody and welcome to another episode of kind of funny games daily. I'm Andrea Renee, and joining me is the rogue one. Gary woulda just just. If you've been doing this for a while from just now, noticing it just knows that you start with what's good little branding in there right away. That's very clever. Yeah, you sort of what's up? It's good. It's true. I like did you just start doing that for a while? That way. China. Nothing. If not slow on the uptake. Thank you. I'm happy to be here. Long side you me to Gary. It's been a long time since we've hosted together in a while. I think we've only done what maybe four or five shows together, we've done a few. It's only only ever really happens when the offices as it is right? Now is totally cleared out, and they need all the extra help, they can get the history, put us together. Otherwise with Fran, I think people like it when we host together, I think we're good. Good. So to. Yeah. I mean I'm indifferent about it. But, you know. View. It's been different about I shouldn't do this as part of my brand kind of people. I should really stick to feel like Greg is when it really deserves that kind of contempt, though, Tam and frat and the other people I always where they're all delightful. So I'll try to be nice. I appreciate. All right. Good. Didn't know this is kind of funny games daily each and every weekday at ten AM live right here at twitch TV slash kind of funny games. We bring you the nerdy video game news, you need to know about if you like that you can subscribe at YouTube dot com slash what's good games. Oaths Ferdie, and slip, you dot com. Subscribed kind of funny gains daily on podcast services around the globe. Don't forget, if you are watching live, twitch dot TV slash kind of funny games. We need you to help keep us on us, especially since Gary is here to go to dot com slash your wrong, and let we let us know what we screwed up as we screwed it up. And of course, if you guys want to be part of the show, we want to hear from you, your questions, your names. Maybe your XBox ID's or your steam or EPA game store tags. If you are looking to Scott up, you can head to patriot dot com slash kind of funny games where bronze members and above get to write him and silver members or above get the ad free show. So we're gonna be talking about a couple of different things today. We've got some news on NPD sales numbers for the month of April. There's a rumor about a half life to remake. What's that about? And we're going to say goodbye to. So, before we get into the news, we've got some housekeeping, Greg Tim, as we mentioned are not here, because there in Florida. So they're there for the full sail, hall of fame. You can see them to night at their on-campus, meet and greet. That's Wednesday at one pm, which I believe is right now right on the east coast. One, oh six. That's happening right now in Florida and you're watching us up twitch on your phone and head on over to building three lobby that is the full sail hall of fame, meet and greet. But then later on tonight there's going to be an open to the public, meet and greet. And I forgot to put those details on the show notes once again, Kevin, if you can pull up for that would be excellent. You would find that on Greg's Twitter that's at game over Greg. He does the Twitter thing, quite frequently tonight, the main the open to the public. Yes, the meet the meet-and-greet suffering is only open to full sail. Students and staff. But tonight is open to everybody, I believe it is an all ages event because Greg was talking about tombstone. Kid. Yeah. Some ten year old kid is going to have a really rough day. Seven PM to ten PM, all ages deadly sins brewery, which is at seven fifty Jackson avenue in Winter Park, Florida. They go. He himself. Yeah. He's does. He actually think people wanna see that. No, no. I think he's just simple minded in. Yeah. It's funny. He the lowest common denominator just wants to eliminate the chafing from the t shirt. We all get it. All right. Moving on from that housekeeping of speaking of meet, and greets. I'm going to be in London with what's good crew this weekend on Sunday may twenty six at the marquee of Westminster from three to six PM, if you guys are in the London or UK area, and you're interested. I've heard those going to be a rollout of best friends that are going to be there as well. So. The Spice Girls were union tour seriously. They're coming they're only doing dates in the UK and in Ireland. That's it. It's not like a wall tour or anything now. They world Tour World tour, but they're not. And you you're going to go you're going to travel halfway across the world. You see them let someone you've had to any drinks and you're hanging out with Britain Steiner. Sometimes you buy tickets to Spice Girls in Manchester. It's. Gonna be off the hook. You're gonna you're gonna have you ever seen them live now Zia first time my first? Got you ever seen the love gay? I'm I'm old enough to have done. I mean, I remember buying their first the first album when, when it first came out in the UK when they first became a thing, and it was a big sensation all their albums. Even the one where Jerry was like piece. I got a do my own thing. I have her cell album to all great. Now. The no back. All they now posses a high posh said, nothing does that take does that take anything out of it for you? But does she thinks he's slink? Let's be she doesn't. But she's the one that also needs it the least right? All of you can imagine the all of the good, probably use the money from. You know they're pretty successful. But pasha's. He needs the money to be posh. Right. Correct. Okay. I mean needs the money the list, but they're not doing it for the money. What do you think does? She has. She spoken about why she chose not to participate. I believe she put out an official statement. But I don't know what it is. It's a bummer. But you but she was never your favorite anyway. Oh now who's your fantasy if we have the same favor? Who's your favorite? Jerry Halloween was my fav-. Yeah. Jerry, my, my favorite was always sporty. I like bullies. I just I just personally liked to I was like she was the one that people that people seem to what you people to spice go. She's the one that people at least think of though she's the most overlooked too on is lighter. She was she would seem like she's having fun. Karate kicks and stuff. Yeah, I liked her a lot to. All right. Gary, we have to think our patriot producers blackjack town Bach. Muhammad muhammad. And today, we're brought to you by Quin Thurlow. But we'll tell you about that later for now. Let's begin with what is and forever will be the Rover report. Time for some news. We've got some four items on the rope reports bakers doesn't. Thanks, kevin. All right. First up. We've got an PD numbers for the month of April, and moral combat eleven days gone are the best selling games. So this right up comes from calling Stevens, over at iden-, the NPD report for April twenty nineteen is in mortal Kombat eleven days gone were the months bestselling games in the United States. The report with analysis from piscotty Ella front, or the show notes that mortal combat eleven instantly became the second best selling game of twenty nine thousand nine year to date, and was the best selling game on every platform, it was released on PC PlayStation for Xbox One end intendo. Switch. This is the first time a third party published game has been intendo switches, best selling title since Mario rabbits, kingdom battles, releasing twenty seventeen days gone debut months sales ranked as the seventh highest in history for Sony published game. And the time it was since released it has already become the best seller. Game developed by Sony bend in lifetime revenue coming in third place, as MLB nineteen the show, which is the best selling sports came of twenty nine thousand today. Following this are the division to super smash Bros ultimate and grand theft auto five that game just will never. That's amazing. When you think about is still top ten years years after. Yeah. Kingdom hearts, three remains the best selling game of twenty nineteen year todate, however and the top ten bestselling games for April. Excuse me. April, are as follows moral combat eleven number one, number two days, gone, number three MLB nineteen the show number four the division, number five super smash Bros, ultimate number six grand theft out of five number seven secure shadows twice number eight call of duty black ops for number nine NBA, two K nineteen. And number ten Joe. She's crafted world. Dollar sales video game software is up fifteen percent when compared to April twenty eighteen while hardware spending decreased by twenty nine percent Nintendo. Switch was the best selling harbor plot from both April twenty nineteen and year to date. So, before we get into our analysis of these numbers, we've got a couple of people that wrote into patriot dot com slash kind of any games. I we've got the nanna biologists. Happy wednesday. Gary andrea. The NPD numbers are here. Surprisingly days is number two for the month of April, but still shadow. Kingdom hearts three for being number one for the year so far. The game was slammed by critics for being too long repetitive buggy, and just playing odd VO sometimes but still seem to do really. Well, is this because it is a Sony exclusive, and in a Sony, exclusive drought, and that any exclusive on the PlayStation can do well, with how many units have been sold. I'm just speculating because NPD does not take into account product returns like with the game sub guaranteed to love deal. But does this mean that many players are now not fully listening to critics and forming their own opinions? More about games. This seems like a drum that gets banged regularly whenever a low scored games sells well, but I thought it'd be good to bring it up again. Thanks nanna. Biologist what is guaranteed to love it. Do you know how that works? You have forty eight hours to return a game to game stop. Okay. So forty-eight hours from the time you purchased the game you can bring it back for a full refund minus taxes, and you get in-store credit pretty good for the purchase price within forty eight hours. You can technically open the game play the game. Return, it within forty eight hours and get credit for it minus tax. Good stuff like that. Yeah. I think it's a great policy. Fully ours enough to know whether or not, you know, I mean sometimes I've had games where in the first couple of days, but then, like clicks like maybe a few days in, but I think in most cases, you know, whether or not you're gonna wanna return it. All right. I think you know a solid five ten hour session with the game like five hours first day. Maybe five hours second day. We'll be able to you'll you'll know if you're like yeah. I'm down to keep trying this, or if you're like this is not my speed. So mortal combat eleven release surprise huge franchise very well received the only the only negative commentary sore mobile combat. Eleven was quite a bit of it was people didn't let the grind. They didn't like the, the, the micro transactions in the grind. So that was a whole part of the game that I never really explored. I really did not care for the crypts in the previous, mortal Kombat, and it was one of my biggest concerns while previewing the game that they were going to bring it back and sadly they did. However, crypt aside. There's a lot of ways to earn things in game that don't require micro transactions. But the thing that Tim nine agreed on was that the story campaign is so incredibly well done that for us. It was worth the price of alone. Okay. But obviously a lot of people love the spec on the online, multiplayer, and the towers. There's a ton of different combat towers that you can do to extend your game play experience. So I thought did a great job with the game. Do I care for the crypt? No. Would I like see go away? Yes. Did it ruin the game for me? Absolutely not. So certainly not a surprise at number one mobile combat is bigger than ever days gone, it I saw this story the other day, the soda of copies and it was slightly surprising because, yeah, it didn't it didn't gel with the critical reception but it didn't get bad scores. So this is the thing that I think is important to remember it got, you know, like mostly six seven eighths. We got a couple nine and like outlier ten requires Safar Sony's concern critically. That's not they would not consider that success six seven nights. What triple a game like that. Well I mean if you think about it most AAA games get between. Seven and eight eight is a great score for a game. Very few games get nines, and tens and I think that that's something we have to. We always bring up every time we talk about critical versus consumer reception on games is at this misconception that game gets an eight or seven that it's bad game. That's just not true. I totally agree with that. I'm just saying the day's gone seemed to me like it belonged in that kinda AAA plus category. Where been independent for a long time ago super super hyped. It was really really I'm bishops, it seemed like it had the potential to be one of those nine out of ten games, absolutely did, especially since, you know, Greg, I chatted about this after the preview event that we went to where we got to play like three to four hours. I got closer to four to five hours with the game and that slice that they showed us, I think really got us excited for it to have potential to be a nine. I don't think this game was maybe ever going to be attend because of the style of game. That was on those types of games, open world games like that very rarely get tens because. They tend to be more broken or have the opportunity for more bugs than like a single player linear narrative experience, for example. But that being said, we didn't understand how the mechanics within the game. And how the narrative was going to play out long-term again. Like to be to be clear, days gone is not a bad game. I never said days gone was a bad game. I just had enough issues with it that it wasn't my favorite game. And the unfortunate part for Sony. Interactive entertainment is that they've set the bar so high, we're coming off of PlayStation Spiderman for and God of war. Right. And so for the next game too big temple game to follow to be days gone. Mean they had incredibly big shoes to fill. So I think if you look at the review aggregate score overall wants all the reviews are in. Yeah. It came out a pretty good, but not great. I was just kinda surprised because when the when it first draw. The first big reviews polygon, and, you know, Qatar who and Jen and the big sites in there. Some of those some of those sites. I'm reading Patrick clicks review like really put the booting they really did not like it. They were quite hostile reviews and everything. Oh shit. Let this game's going to be a flop. Then overall the reviews kind of picked up a little bit. And it came out pretty good. But again, this apprise the reviews will great. The reviews were good, but not great. But the sales are, in fact, great. So I wonder if, if a lot of people looked at the reviews out. Okay. This looks at the kind of game I wanna play anyway, in the reviews were somewhat disregarded, because there is a, there is a discrepancy between just tremendously while the games been selling and the reviews which I think, like I said, what, what pretty good, but not necessarily so reviews that lead to like a game being super successful. Right. I mean in the thing I think we're also looking at is that when we're talking about exclusives. Their success is always going to be tempered, by the. Fact that they can only be bought on a single platform. Right. And so I think it's awesome that they did as well as they did given those constraints. So congrats to bend for having their most successful game ever going overseas. The shows days gone was only beaten by mortal Kombat eleven which is a huge, huge title, moldable platforms and beat out the division two, which is a huge title moldable platform launched in March, right? So I mean I wasn't expecting that they would maintain sales and Ubisoft already come forward to say it hasn't performed as well as they expected it to. I do think it's really interesting. How far down the list second row is because I thought that game was going to do better. Right. Well, not that long. But then to come out around the same time division to let me check the release date on that. Really quickly. Yes, it did March twenty second. Something. I also wanted to mention we have another reader mail about NPD this one comes from suck sandwich. Gary andrea. The US entity results for April are and not surprisingly, mortal Kombat a level was the best selling game last month. What is surprising? However, is that MK Levin was the best one game in intendo. Switch in April even beating out super smash Bros ultimate. This is the first time which we talked about that this, which is topped the bestsellers list. Well, MK eleven which isn't perfect port by any means it is very competent one. That runs just about, as well as its more powerful counterparts, so many switch ports are half ass. And so many companies seem to pass up the consul I assume because seen as a lot of work with not a lot of term. However, K Levin. Clearly says otherwise but does has said that they've had similar success with their switch ports, should developers and publishers be looking at switch a more viable platform for some of the bigger third party titles. Or is this a fluke? Thanks for all you do. I mean. I mean you could argue that mobile combat eleven is a special case, because it's such a massive brand and people, you know, people are going to be interested in no matter what I do think there's a point to be made. You know, we've been saying, for a while now that indie developers switch has emerged as a really lucrative platform to develop on a lot of develops of said, a have been on switch, which is great. But but modal combat eleven again, the huge brand name aside, you totally disregard that perhaps demonstrates that. Yeah, don't phone in this witch version. There's money, there's money to be made that I don't have as much. I don't know if you've seen come at eleven on the switch does it look good. Not. So we know it's going to be downgraded a little bit. But I imagine it's still looks pretty pretty great visuals on a four K TV on a PlayStation for pro are amazing in. So I would be hard pressed to be convinced if I had both consuls to play mortal Kombat on my switch, because the input controls are so precise. And you have to be. Be very cautious of what buttons, you're hitting, when it's, it's not very forgiving in that sense. But if all of you all you have is, which then absolutely. You know, check it out, get mortal combat because they're so few third party AAA offerings on the switch as it is, if you think about if you're switch owner, the most of the titles, that have been released in twenty nineteen for you have been Indies, there haven't been that many, AAA games that have come out this year for switch and the idea that it beats out super smash roses, kind of a, an interesting thing to ponder because smashes been out for several months. Now, of course it should beat us. You know, like people you would assume that people who have a switch that are interested in smash bought the game a long time ago. But what else is competing with a game, the caliber of mortal Kombat on Twitter right now? If you've got switch the compelling reasons to own one first and foremost, the big potty titles from Nintendo. Secondly, the what was now. Emerged as an incredible selection of gray in details. Then third places like, the, the big potty, AAA ports, which are good, but not great. It's, it's nice that we have them again. This is the first time in a really longtime unintended console has even gotten these remember like in the age of the way in the way, you, we went they weren't even bothering to put these guys on those platforms because the size what the sale of the switch now I'll get enough that they caught ignore. And they have to put mobile combat in these, these big games on the switch. I think one of the problems though with porting games switch in the air of game making that we're at the end of the life cycle for Xbox One and PlayStation four and the games are bigger and require more processing power than ever in the switch just cannot graphically handle a lot of the games that are third party at that. You find on PC or the other two consuls. And I think that's probably why you don't see a lot of ports, or if you do see some ports are typically not as good as what you would find on the other systems. I hope that. You know, we can see that change. But I don't know how it's going to be going into the next generation of consoles that are even more powerful, especially if you look at the, the PlayStation five demo that we watched yesterday on the show had did you see that footage at all? I saw the soil like the almost immediate loading times, which is pretty impressive zipping through the streets thing that looked pretty good. It's gonna be great white. Yeah. I'm very excited. So it's lit leaves us with the question of where doesn't intendo fit into the ongoing, you know, generation cycle's because they are off cycle this time. They're inevitably going to be off cycle for next time. How are they just finally going to forever be on their own island saying, weren't intendo are focused always been our first party titles? And that's just the way it is. Absolutely nothing has changed. And it does always that's always wanting to Endo is being intendo is always said we interested in fighting the same war playing the same game as Sony, and Microsoft, let them do the hardware. Dick measuring contest who's. Who's got the fastest machine who's got the most exclusive let's let them let them have that one on one fight would just be over here doing our own thing. We have a mega. We lab of Yar, we we're gonna we're gonna make shit out a cod. You guys fight over there. We're gonna make some shit outta call. We're gonna we're gonna have the most amazing. I potty, anyone Rog intenders got the best fast potty games of any of any platform. We have now this incredible rage array of Indies, and you're gonna get pretty decent service on the AAA ports as well, which is the they weren't even able to say for the last couple of platforms. So Nintendo's just going to keep on intendo ING and making a ton of money doing. I don't think you know, the hall of never really cared about, like who's got the best hardware specs. They have they have something completely different, which is this amazing hybrid. Portable desktop console it's totally different. Kind of thing. People clearly most people don't care about. As long as it isn't like hugely, noticeable, if the frame, slow bit slower the resolution isn't as high most people don't care. It's good enough for most people tennis. Twitch and the people that do care on planet on switch. Yeah. Absolutely. You if you if you all the kind of person, the casbah, then you make a different choice to begin with. But for the majority of people that just like everything else at the switch has to offer the more than happy, just going to go back briefly to a point that none of violence. I thought it was interesting about, you know, I think I think there's two two sides argument about about days gone being a platform exclusive title on the one hand. Yes that limits you, you're only selling units on one platform note on the XBox, PTO Swisher others on the other hand, I do think that people are on those platforms, whether it's PlayStation or XBox switch, if it's if they can slap the exclusive only PlayStation badge on it. I do think as a Sony, or an whatever platform is that you have not platform, I think you on more lightly. Kinda take look at it 'cause you like the idea that it's exclusive to you. There's still that tribalism. That's. The idea that spider man days gone. Go to war. Some is only only we get to play this on our platform. I do think that those titles get a bit of a closer look from from Sony game as you like the idea that this isn't for everyone. It's, it's just for them in their PlayStation club. Don't you think I do think that, that that mentality exists, I just in my head, all I hear is how recently we've just been getting people being soap set about the idea of exclusives in the EPA game star. And I'm like this is a perfect reminder that exclusives, always been that way. Thank you, Gary. I feel saying that forever. Doesn't matter. People still mad. All right. Let's move onto the next story is game store closes for good next month. So this comes from Tom Phillips over at euro gamer. It's the end of the line for Julia. The Android game console which sprung into life during the Kickstarter boom for years after the final council dropped off the end of the production line, the platforms game stores, also being switched off razor, which now owns is. Binning off the forged TV and mad cats Mo-jo game stores at the same time on June. Twenty fifth owners are being occurred to make any final purchases and insure all games. They wanna keep our downloaded if you do still have funds in your account, you may want to spend them an FAQ on the shutdown has confirmed that there will be no way of withdrawing the money otherwise, you will continue to have access to the games that have been done loaded. Razors FAQ states, though. Any games require a purchase validation upon launch will not contact the game developer for confirmation razor. Concludes release back in twenty thirteen after raising eight point five million dollars. Kickstarter. The Julia was one of the crowd fundings highest profile success stories with some analysts questioning whether the upstart consul challenger would disrupt the council market forever, but it was not meant to be after shipping enough consuls to fulfill its Kickstarter audience struggled to find interest. Elsewhere within two years at a burnt through a further twenty five million from various, investors and languished in debt. It was at this. Point that razor swooped into by Julia software assets while ending hardware manufacturer of the concert, self farewell. Julia. So sad. In a way isn't it a little bit? I remember when the that kick start video was released. And that's when the word disrupt was like at a kind of at its peak, and people still like to say the things that disrupt certain industries, but, I mean, the funny part to a lot of people that I know that worked in games industry coverage was that it essentially was providing all of the games you can get on smartphones. And I think smartphones are really what put the nail in the coffin for Julia. Because if you think about how powerful smartphones were in twenty thirteen compared to where they are today. I mean if the people who made had seen where, you know, your Android and Iowa's operating systems, we're going. I mean, they probably never would have undertaken this endeavor. Right. I mean, you, I'm sure you remember when the was new in the kickstart it was it was, I haven't in a in a closet somewhere, so you so you've played it. Oh, yeah. Did you ever optimistic about it will do for like he was probably doomed? Oh, yeah. It was dead. Definitely, but I was a big ipad gamer back, then I posted a this week and pad show like way way back when it was for this weekend dot com, which no longer exists. But you can go and try to find it if you want this week, and I had was the name of the show, and one of the segments that I did was we would feature an ipad game of the week. And so I was constantly playing games on my ipad. And so, like, when we came out, I was just like the make sense to me, why you would need this little box to hook up to your TV when you can just play it on your screen on your tablet, but I appreciate it, what they were doing. I thought it was cool. How do open source. So there was there was a new way for developers to get games in front of you. I like I like the idea of something kind of disrupting the status quo. That's always interesting. Absolutely. That was definitely before both unity. And unreal engine change their licensing policies to be there very much more portable today than they were back then. And so like the whole idea of. Of it being open platform on the open source was very appealing to a lot of indie devs, but clearly was not meant to, I don't know what it is. Maybe maybe it's just a mental about this kinda I never had a new never really cared about it other than just kind of being interest, as you would do. So I got no dog in this just whenever I see a story like this, it reminds me of when they switched off the we shop not long ago that was that was quite recently as well. And it had there was, I remember there was a lot of YouTube livestream streaming the, the final hours of the of the we shall with that kind of Bobby little music play. There was almost kind of funeral aspect to it felt like when they say, we're not gonna make hot or anymore. Okay. Fine. But, like, when they flip that switch, that turns off a service, I don't know. There's something that whole thing just now then just blinks out of existence. It's gone never to be seen again. This really even even if it's something you which clearly no one ever really gave shit about it. It's kind of sad. I saw the store. Yes, them, and who us dead. I'm like, really wasn't that years ago? But the service get even though they, they start making the hallway there was this vestige tail. And I imagine they're all I got I'd love to talk to some of these people because I fascinated to hear from them. But I imagine there are people out there who was still playing the release at about this news. You. I mean, there's got to be someone. Sure, gary. Someone. The store the store continued to run for four more years after they start making some using sure razor was thinking they wanna try to recoup, some of this investment by selling software. They were like, hey, we're not gonna spend any more money on production of the hardware. But for people that already own it, why don't we still try to keep making money by selling software, when you they essentially can just put games that are designed for mobile onto the platform, right? I mean, obviously not every mobile game has controllers interfaces that are designed for, you know, kind of put skeet, but. Time these platforms, he service, right? Not not running these service for free. I would love to know they'll never release this, I would love to know what their daily usage stats like in the final week. Like I mean, it could be like just dozens of people. It's like I literally just a handful of people still hitting the sign purchasing games in the final hours. I wonder how many as there are in the world like what their total council sale. I mentioned there's a lot by imagine then mostly in closets like yours. We've only got so many HDMI points on the back about TV something's gotta give ain't that the truth. And we had does not get a spot, nor does not. All right. Good. Bye. Yeah. Go with God. All right, next. Hurry, World War Z studio wanted to remake of half life to this comes from Adam bankers over Aegean saber interactive, the developer behind World War Z approached valve with the possibility of having it remake half life two, however, vow responded that if a remake does happen, it will be done. Internally game watcher spoke to saber interactive CEO and co founder, Matthew Karch, who discuss that after sabre, worked on halo the master chief collection, the team, then turn, it's is to half life to quote, after we did halo anniversary in halo two nursery as part of the master chief collection. Are we talked to Gabe, Newell, personally, because I knew him from past life, and I said, I want to remake half life to Carson. That's all I wanna do. I won't charge you anything for it all do it for Rev share, and it doesn't even need to be a big rupture. I just really. Want to do because I love that game so much valve. Unfortunately, for savor responded by saying, sorry if we're going to do it, we're going to do it, internally Karsh like many of us continue to ask the question, where's half life? He believes, sabre is scratching each with World War Z on the left for dead side. But Gordon Freeman man. He's a icon IQ as master chief, where is it while we still don't know when or if half life will ever return? We do know that World War, Z does a good job of recreating. The cat exam be filled fun of left for dead. And then they talk about some details from their review which if you guys are interested. Of course you can go on over to their site. And check out. I've heard good things about World War Z, but students do need to play it. We should play go to PlayStation. We can finally play together. Okay. Maybe I can get Britain on this action of Stewart. I'm told that with, with a with a with a three or four players. It's really, really fun. So we stripe okay? Greg plate with. But he's flying around the world share Florida right now doing a meet up. So what do you think? About half life. My theory is that say goodbye. It's never coming back, even in remake form, even remake farm, especially after this story after valves said, hey, they've turned down somebody saying we're not gonna charge you, we'll take really small piece of the Rev share just to, like recoup our costs. We don't want profits from it. That's crazy. I mean, what's valves deal? Why not just say, yes, I love valve on. I love Gabe. But the Valiente he frustrate me a lot because of things like this. A lot of games get frustrated valve is a unique case valve was and remains one of the true platinum. Blue chip quadruple game develop is one of the greatest game makers of all time up there with with, you know, blizzard and just the best of the best, but they just they then they came up with another way to make money hand over fist with steam in the store, and they just don't need to make game anymore. I guess they just decided I mean I imagine somewhere deep with involve there are there is a skunkworks game development going on. But, like, when was the last game, they even put out I'm not even gonna count Audifax. Well, I wasn't counting artifact either, but there was another story floating around today, Vava develop its own Doda auto chess, so small frustration. I don't chest. Everybody. A lot of the frustration that people have with jar. And right now they just want the last two books jobs, like what about this? What about this TV show? What about this come? I'm doing this, why don't you just do the things we actually want to day which is the last fucking books? That's like valve. What about this crazy Kagame? What about this crazy project? What about this? We had via thing. No, we just one half life three like how much clearer can we make? We wanna have three. And is the thing I, I'll make all my prediction right now will be happily happy to be proved wrong. I predict that tiger. Woods would never win. Another major and I was happy to be proved wrong because that was amazing. I'd love to be proved wrong on this. I'll make the prediction now, though, by all means proved me wrong. Please do it. You'll never see half life. Three just never happen. You'll proving. Proven wrong to you agree. The just never happened. I'm with you. I mean, I can't tell you how many news stories over the course of my career reporting video games I've done about half life three rumors. I've seen so many over so many years from so many sources that I'm just like no, it's not gonna happen. I'm with you, though. I would like to be proved on the love to see valve back into making games selfishly because I want portal three. Oh. Oh. When all the three three lead three. I want a New Orleans imagine if they didn't orange box to. How would that be? That would be instantly be the biggest news story of the decade orange box too. I think that three I want, I want all of these. It's sad. Honestly, what are we doing over there? Rolling rand. Doc, all this fucking money. They don't need to, to be his the thing. Let me ask you this question. If you if you had a billion dollars in your Bank account tomorrow, would you woke another day in your life? Yes. Absolutely. You would still feel the need to work. Of course, you wouldn't just go on a beach. I would you for a little while but you would eventually feel the need to make something well, we just talked about in. We just did a video for, for what's good where we had a topic of which books you would make individual games. And I said, if I won the lottery, I would open a studio or pay studio to make a video game on this born series. So, like, Gary, give me a billion dollars. And I will make video game you'd be like how this great story about how at Hughes favorite yet is favorite ice cream flavor that he liked. And then he would have it shipped to his to his mansion. The flavor was the manufacturer the famous story about how I think it was like banana pecan like a weird, right? Right. And they start making it but he loved the ice cream so much. He bought the ice cream company and told him to resume making it just that you could have favorite flavor. The kind of thing when you super-rich you can do. Yeah. That's awesome. That's if I if I was putting charge his whether charge about it. I'll just tell you what I want would never gonna half life three. I would love it, but we're never going to get it. Here's the thing. It's so it's taken on such mythic status. Now unless they absolutely created the greatest eleven out of ten game of all time. They this point they cannot possibly meet expectations, which may be as the reason why they're not doing it. But I would kill for just to the next best thing is, maybe this, like a really great all singing, dancing, full k sixty frame for second half life, two ultra remake maybe throwing half life one as well, put together. I mean, why not some of the if you've ever played like black Mesa? But some of the fan, remakes a half life one or actually pretty good half life two. One of those one of my favorite games. It's one of the few games that I will go back and they'll still play again today. And it still feels fresh still feels amazing it, you know, graphically it's showing its age but it's still an amazing game. It's such a terrific candidate for. Box remastered for some kind of remastered if it were any other any other company that wasn't swimming in money, light valve, you probably would have seen it by now. Because his the other thing it would would sell a lot. You would make a lot of money on half life two. Valve, it's a drop in the bucket at this point that making so much money that they just don't really need to make games anymore. I mean, I proved me wrong, they not making games anymore, if they I don't know what they're doing what all the people. Right. So that is important to remind people of. But like in the idea that they're only doing game development around Doda is frustrating for people like me who never were attracted to Doda as a game. And it's just it's like I said, it's a head scratcher. I don't understand why maybe EPA game source is going to come in and have to eat their lunch so hard that they're like. Oh, sure. Get back to making this. If you if you ask my prediction, they clearly I believe strongly, there are people teams inside valve right now working on games whether that's the next half life for the next three. The version three of whatever the franchise. We just talked about something totally new. There are people in them making games, but because they have infinite money, they have the infinite money cheat code, they typed in a few years ago. They don't need to, they don't need his don't need to make the games is, they don't need to put games out and they certainly don't need to rush them. There's no crunch. There's no deadline. Nothing's announced, they'll work on things. If it doesn't meet their standards. They'll scrap it or the retail start over, and they'll just get it'll something will come when it's when it's ready so they, they have a very, very privileged position of valve to develop games completely on their own times. And I think they all perfectionists over there. They'll pick saw they'll get halfway through a movie, and if they're not happy with it. They'll just scrap it and start over. And I think that's probably what they're doing over the next the next big game. I'm counting Audifax the next big game you see from valve, we'll probably be really great because it'll only be when they're confident that it's worthy of their. Brand that they will put something out. But in the meantime, we still have to wait Kevin did US on. You wanted to add just want to say, like making game is, is a risk, like regardless if it's a widely anticipated game at the end of the day, you have to put a lot of money in it, and you do not sure of the returns and giving them an out Kevin. No, I'm just saying like this is a company like it's much easier to build a platform where other people can sell their games, and they can just get a cut from right obviously. So I, I feel like that's why not me came in. Happy why? Right. Just has to doesn't have to wear making gains expire expensive again, got no shortage of money, and the it's pretty likely to any game. They is going to be a financial success, his valve and really on proprietary platform, a steam exclusive store or Steve exclusive game. That's not how like businesses work. It's not like oh you have as much money like, go ahead and invest in this, if it's strategically more financially viable to not make a game and make no that you're going to have X amount of money coming in. You know, I feel like I understand how money gets spent in game def. 'cause people take those rows all the time, even take a look at epoch was making money hand over fist with unreal engine before fortnight was even a game. Right before four nine happened. They had absolutely no reason to publish another game because they hadn't forever back in the real tournament days being so. Epi stores. Big. It was like their first big thing back into video game development that was actually a really robust title for them until they cancelled it, but then fortnight happened and now they're making quadruple, if not five x the money they were making just from unreal engine. So I think that I understand your point. You're right. That like they have no motivation. I think that's just what we're saying is that they have no reason to do it. But I think Gary's point is. But when you have all that money, why not, why not give something not take a chance because like it's not gonna really hurt your bottom line that much. They, they could even like a couple of million into are indeed to start like the concept art process, and they would make that money back in a week on steam, you know, I mean maybe right. Isn't that thing it's not be on our sides? Gotta be real situation. And I'd love to get inside Gabes head on it. There's two arguments want they, they don't ever need to work a day in their life again, other than to maintain this team stole because they make so much money on the one hand that company was formed by people who love games in wanna make games. And you don't stop loving games and wanted to make games just because you don't need to anymore trying. They ask sitting it's a weird things, I think about this sitting on two or three or four of the biggest most valuable IP games portal left the dead team fortress and the half life. Four of the biggest names in games, and any one of those the next iteration would be another license to print money for them. I think the more concerned about the reputational risks that they want to put out anything that isn't considered omega the next fantastic. Amazing game from Val Barbie incredibly high right? One more thing. Kevin. I gotta move on. I was just gonna say, like, yeah, it was formed by a bunch of people like making games. But, like how many of those people are still there and like how much bigger is it still? Lander stand there still quite a. Few those people. But aren't there, a lot of more people that are now like working on vibe and other things, of course? Puerto VR make it happen. All right. Here we go. Mario Kart tour beta locks powerful rare characters behind the pay wall. This comes from Liz lender, over at variety gaming, Mario Kart tour, seems poised to have several monetization elements, including a four pay rare characters based on leaked info from its current beta period in Japan shared on reset era. The mobile game will be free to place. Of course, intendo needs to make money for Mario Kart or somehow still some fans are concerned about the amount of micro transactions the game will have upon its full release those screen shots. And the like are not meant to be shared during the closed beta some users have taken to Twitter. Most can be found by searching, this Japanese username, and you have to go over to variety to get that or just head to the reset era thread betas on a full picture. And it says on the website for the game that in game purchases are not available during the beta test. So even those currently playing can't have a full grasp on how invasive the micro transactions will be for the game. He pointed out that there are multiple multilevel. Gotcha for Dr gosh. We should Google that two Japanese word for drivers carts and gliders, meaning the players need to spend virtual currency to unlock these in game elements the thing about virtual currency is that can be usually earned in game but it can also be unlocked by spending real world dollars. The other option was for Nintendo to release the game at a one time cost rather than the free to play with Michael transactions model, but that seems to be happening less and less as it limits. The potential for publishers to make more and more revenue from single game. Fortnight brawl stars and other top mobile games, all the free to play model with great success. As for the game itself beyond monetization initial impressions of screen shots in the Laker being shared around it looks like classic. Mario Kart in portrait mode a game play a bit more simplified. The racer reportedly just drives automatically and players have to steer by pulling to the left or to the right. The expected characters are present Mario Luigi peach, toad, Yoshi, and others, and some characters like Luigi are classified as rare and behind virtual paywall. Okay. I was intimidating that this could potentially be the big hit for Nintendo on in their previous modal titles were good. And they did pretty well. But. Shoop was very good. You did. Yes, I thought, as as good as an implementation of Mario on mobile, you're gonna get. I just fundamentally why, why is that? I wanted a jumping ability in a Mario game you could jump. That was the one thing you can do is jump. Right. But, like more control the way the game played. It felt more like a side, scrolling runner Jos looking endless runner. Right. Then a then a Mario game where you can, you know, very strategically jump, because platforming, but, and so I didn't really care for it in that sense. I remember when Super Mario run in sonic jump kind of release at the same time, the, the running gag was oh, they just swapped their their abilities 'cause sonic was more of a jumping focus game in Mario's more of a runner, and they were like sonic should have been the runner, and Mario job or jumping. So not to say again like it's all relative. Right. But if you think about the mobile gaming market, mean both of their biggest titles. I mean with the exception of fire and lem, which is still great and still doing gangbusters from that for them. Both of those titles was the other one. I'm thinking of oh animal crossing they like lit the world on fire when they released and then they fizzled very quickly as far as like worldwide engagement goes. When you look at the mobile market you compare it to some of the people that have been on the leaderboards for years. You know, your candy crush is of the world's, for example. I, I was hoping that Mario world cart world tour was going to be like the big thing, the kind of really got people excited about Nintendo mobile games. But based on what I've seen so far, I would need to play it myself, but having there be an automatic gas. I'm like, oh, I don't know how feel about that. I don't know. Running in Mari. I run right. All you doing Maria run his jump. And all you do in Monaco tour appears steer. Yes. Essentially, it's on rails for a Mario Kart game. That's very nontraditional. Yeah. I mean I could. So I totally I can kind of see whether going to this model as I remember as I recall, Nintendo said that Mario run, which had very basic revenue model of the demo version for free. You make a one time fee of ten dollars and you and you get the whole game that's, that's basically, you know, they never asked me for money again. I like that model Nintendo, I think, came out and said they didn't make as much money on Mario run as they wanted to so, so it's not surprising to me, the not copied model again they're trying something else. I personally, I don't have a problem in principle with micro transactions all comes down to how you implement them, right? At this point. I think there's a whole school. We're learning this. It's brand new, it's a whole new area of gain design that would learning is how can you monetize your game to maximum effectiveness while not exploiting or annoying players and it's trying to find that sweet spot? Right in them into what you make as much money as possible, but you don't aggravate or exploit players do anything dangerous that could, you know, could get you in trouble with in the same way that other people have found this in the past. We learning every time I think we're gonna find that, that micro Chen's action sweet spot. I do wonder if Nintendo's philosophy of just taking the classic games like animal crossing, like Super Mario, and Mario Kart and just putting slimmed-down versions on the mobile is the right approach. Maybe they just need to bite the bullet and do some bullshit. Mario match three emoji game. It'd be all over Taghrid for that. But that's that would probably make more money doing. Yeah, I'm with you, there, certainly a lot to be said about micro transactions. Would you. We don't need to rehash especially since we're like very close to being out of time. But I think it's interesting, if you guys wanna take a look the leaked beta footage is everywhere. I'm going to personally try this myself and see how the micro transactions are once it releases here in the US kind of funny dot com slash you're wrong. If you guys have a release date in the US for Mario Kart tour. I don't think we do, but let me know. And then one last thing before we end and quickly run through the rest of the show. I put them required reading on here, and because I thought it was a really important statement by Phil Spencer, the head of XBox. I'm not gonna read everything I put into the dock here because there's just not time. But at XBox P three is his Twitter handle, or I believe it's on the blogs, Microsoft dot com, but essentially he wrote a of very great post called video games unifying force for the world. Essentially, he says, I believe in to fundamental truth about gaming first gaming for everyone. Second gaming must promote and protect the safety of all, and it talks about his commitment to inclusivity and safety in the XBox ecosystem, he talks about the two point six billion person's strong community of gamers around the world, and how it's comprised of kids and parents and teenagers, and adults and elderly, and how the idea of who gamer is, is, is has changed and includes everybody, and it's a really great thing. And then he explicitly details, what XBox is going to do to make their communities safer and more inclusive place. And I thought it was a really fantastic blog post, so at XBox P three again, if you wanna check out Phil Spencer's statement on gaming on the XBox platforms. All right. But I was going to do some kind of fun segue here. But now I've got a rush through everything. So Gary, if I wanted to know what was coming to the mom. Grab digital shops today wear it I go. Oh for sure list, about coming software across each and every platform as listed by the kind of funny games daily show host and every weekday did you did? Did you did he do? Wait. I gotta do some sponsor reads, I kind of any games daily is brought to you by quip. It's time for spring, cleaning and quips got an easy way to start with you're brushing habits. Just two minutes twice a day can help pave the way to a healthier mouth in mind. 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What do you like how about well, if you don't wanna do the one directed at you we can do the second one? The second out right from DJ. Brad schell. What good guys ran across this article claim, the teach Nordic has close to fifty unannounced games and their development pipeline at just eighty games in development. Overall that is a fuck ton of games have in development at once is it not, I'm totally expecting that most of these have to be smaller titles impossible remastered with all the IP that they have bought in the past months. But still seems excessive do you guys think, developmental shotgun, approach could be successful for to a critical sense or that simply these games are destined to be mid tier smaller scale games, will this approach be financially successful, also nostalgia will only take you so far, unless it's done? Well example, being the crash, remastered I'm really hoping that I'm wrong that we will get some really dope stuff from t h in the future. Thanks DJ. Brad chill? I mean this has become a running gag on the show now hasn't it, it is. So interesting story, I can't tell you about the games that I played at the event that I went to a judge's week but I can tell you that I spoke to one of the members of teach Nordic, and we were having a little a little joke about how many titles. They've been acquiring over the last several months, and he said, yeah, it's close to two hundred Ps now. Close to two hundred IP's. They have acquired that is banana 's, that's an incredible amount of intellectual property for one company to own site. And like the idea that they have fifty games and development. What do we do? We know where the money comes from do. They have like a rich a billionaire guy, this is fun. The all this, because I mean you think about what they must be spending to acquire all this IP and to develop all these games. Yeah. That's a great question. So back in February of this year over at games industry dot biz, there was a story called teach Nordic raises two hundred twenty five million for further acquisitions now, two hundred twenty five million a lot of money when you have fifty announce games in development, though two hundred twenty five million. Spread thin probably. But this says just for further acquisitions doesn't specifically reference game development. So it's important to remember that they have been around for a while. It's just been in the last really six to twelve months that we've been seeing tons of stories about them acquiring new stuff. So it's hard to know, like, how many of these games have been in development and for how long some of the talk about it. But some of this stuff is actually on the horizon, because you played some of these games. Correct. So we this is some point we're going to stop talking about how the developing somebody gives that you have to see some of these games and there was like a wave of new titles coming. Yes. Okay. Oh, do I had a funny tweet earlier today where it was two pictures. One was the headline of THE Nordic now has fifty games in development. And the other one was a screen shot of catamaran Dhamma. She of planet size Tamari it just collected. Everything. Impulsively. The size of earth because that's that's essentially HQ is becoming just as massive categories rolling around and picking up everything encounters. Yeah. There's also a story on Gamasutra from last summer last June where they raised one hundred sixty eight million for future acquisitions. So just between those two stories and that's not me digging very deep. That's you know. Close to four hundred million in in money raised for acquisitions. I also curious who these investors are because our they're going to get a return on their money. Don't know. It's I mean, I really think the old fifty these games are gonna see the day. Oh, absolutely. Not definitely. Not if we have any indication of how game development works like there's no way that all fifty of these are going to make it to the finish line like it, if they do like I will eat my words and be like, wow. I am very impressed Q job. But it just there's even if let's say, let's go down this hypothetical road where all fifty of these unannounced games are going to be released. There's definitely no way that all of them are going to be financially solvent. There's no way all fifty of them make their money back. That just will not be mostly. Most have some kind of business model allows for amount of some of these games aren't gonna make some of these games aren't going to even if they do want make money back. Again, that just the economics of how the juggling, the resources is fascinating to me. Yeah, no, I I'm with you. I think that it's a little bit of a head scratcher. But, you know, I guess we'll wait and see threes around the corner. Maybe we'll see a big announcement from them like we've said they've acquired several IP's, you know, over the last over the last year or so. And so maybe they'll debut something unlike the XBox stages. Maybe maybe it's just totally insane. Maybe is what it looks like just total insanity. I mean if tomorrow or next week or next month or next year you saw a story Papa says t h q collapses goes into administration because what they doing was fucking insane. Would you be would you be all that surprised? No, I wouldn't be now. Definitely not. But it's important to know there was a store that came out today over games industry biz. Metro exodus recoup all costs, Busse Q, one revenue at teach Nordic. So it says making some money. Yeah, apparently, but I thought that deep silver was the publisher of metro exodus. Not in del. It's yeah. It says I'm metro exodus boosted teach revenue in the first quarter with the publisher confirming that four games shooter has recouped all of its production and marketing costs. In the three month period, ended March thirty first twenty nineteen teach Notre group earned the equivalent of roughly one hundred fifty one million euros in revenue up one hundred fifty eight percent over the same quarter last year. It's operational, AB IT for the period was. Whatever I don't know what that currency is. It's close. Thirty seven million two hundred seventeen percent year on year increase are really good. You know, over the chief operating officer whoever is job is to make sure that the books balance at the end of the day, and then not doing this totally totally unsustainable. I hope that's true. Because I, I wanna I wanna believe the. Ever anyone's doing will be successful. I wanted to believe in what we were saying earlier in the show. I want to believe that teach Q Nordic knows what they're doing. And we're gonna see a bunch of great games, but on the even to a layman on from the outside. It just sounds crazy. Yes, we one hundred p I'm with you. I think it sounds crazy as well. I'm trying to look up this positive site. It's mad at me because I haven't adblocker. It's like Turner adblocker up. And by the way, I do white list for sites that I support our here we go metrics. It is sales of in pretty aren't good. It's become the largest game lunch so far in the history of the Nordic group recent releases extended financial report. And to do. Yeah, I guess is deep silver underneath each Nordic did. I did not know that, that happens. Maybe they all. Yeah. Story about them acquiring them a while ago. Well, wouldn't be surprised by everything. All right. Well, let's get to squad up this week squad up is this week? I should say today's is Elliott he's playing on Xbox One. He says, I am looking to squad up for apex legends. And overwatch overwatch, I am gold Platt ranked need a good, high tier squad that can run together apex. I have one thirty matches solo Q, but it gets frustrating to play with randoms off Mike looking for some skilled players. Elliott's Xbox One gamertag is realm. Realm Selley, sixty six. L S, E, L, I, sixty six of course, it will be in the show notes for you guys, if you want to play some overwatch or some apex, with Elliott's alright, Gary, this is the time the show where we go through kind of counting Saggio wrong. And we check out what we've screwed up. Okay. Let me see what we've screwed up today. Gary. Up. I think there are a couple of things that we didn't know that. Maybe people have helped us out on this. Let's find out. Let's find out. Indeed. Let me just form at this real quick. I didn't delete the ones from yesterday. What happens when Greg is gone? All right. Oh, biologists. Thank you for putting the kind of funny meet-and-greet details in again, seven to ten pm tonight at the deadly sins brew. To do. All right. I'm looking through these here. Okay. The nanna ballot says the guaranteed to love deal is only applicable today's gone, and you get in store credit for just a clarification, the guaranteed love deals, only applicable title. That can't be right. Special deal, just for one title sound right? Doesn't mean it says the guarantee dilemma was also forty eight hours on the launch of the game, not from purchase and only ran for three days post launch. Oh, well that's nowhere near as good as I thought it was a new to be new game. Somebody else says the guaranteed the guaranteed to love deals only on select games from game jumper. Wrecks and says it is forty eight hours from release nut forty-eight hours from purchase. That's a very important. Launch? Right. I knew be joined game stop never do anything that good Errol. Yeah. Terrible for the other. Plenty about was many other stores. Don't give you the opportunity to return it when you've purchased it just seems like a barely trying. I mean, sure you I agree that it's anger. It's not ideal eight them. They're the worst. Wow. Wow. Wow. How dare you? Wow. Okay. Let's see here. Oh, the Nobel just says we shipped only fifty eight thousand councils and the most popular game tower fall ascension sold about seven thousand copies. The most popular game on sold seven thousand copies. Then kebabs comes in and says we sold about one million units. As of may twenty thirteen just under year after release. So those are wild, who to believe that. Well, those are both regular contributors. So I must have been more than fifty eight thousand the Nevada just the flavor Howard Hughes bought Baskin Robbins over was banana nut. I was close it. Big banana pecan. I was close. Yeah con isn't it? I read in there that he ordered, like three hundred and fifty gallons. Yeah. Used to buy in huge amounts when it arrived, it took awhile to arrive when he came. He was like, didn't like like he was onto newer flavors. Okay. Also important from the nanna biologist valve Campo Santo, who's making the in the valley of the gods. The circus show vitamin now technically valve game aquisition From Compass onto. That's right. Again. That's not what I shouldn't say this. Of course, I want a new game From Compass. But what we really want those core valve properties. We want all the threes. John tusa. Gotcha is short for gosh upon which refers to a random drop capsule, by toy machine's Japan. Okay. Good. Something though. Kebab says sonic run is actually called sonic. Dash is the first game, the sub series released in early. Twenty thirteen the one competing with Myra run was twenty fifteen sonic runners between the same game play as sonic dash. But from side on. All right. Thank you. You don't like it. I know. I didn't like it either. Sorry, I'm still looking through these, there's a lot of thing deal. The day from Mizuki guacamole one and grid to our free on steam right now. Sims fours, also free. An origin for PC yesterday. You can get the SIMS full for free. Somewhere. Thank you. Also, giant robot gaming says deals today, the brand new PS, VR moss, and Astroboy bundle is currently Ashra bought, I believe he means bundles currently on sale Google express for one seventy nine. That is a good deal for the PS VR headset in those two games, those two hundred seventy nine yeah that's good. Google express everybody. All right. There's definitely so Lord opposes teach owns deep silver. Thank you. We did did this that, eventually, I appreciate the confirmation, and it says, Lord, poem clarification, teach Notre owns coke media, which owns deep silver for even more clarification. Alright. So did you do? Oh, the fifty eight thousand sales were just from the Kickstarter. Okay. Got it. That makes more sense. Okay. Got it. All right. And that is going to be it for the show. Don't forget, Tim, and Greg are in Florida tonight from seven to ten PM, go say hi to them. If you are in the Winter Park. Florida area details again at gray game over Greg on Twitter's easiest way of a believe the details also posted in the kinda funny Facebook group, and I will be back tomorrow with Fran. And then who who yet Franjieh on Thursday, and then it's Fran and snow bike? Mike is back Friday. Lots of fun. Don't forget to participate a patriot complex kind of any games. We'll have you guys goodbye.

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"Hey Welcome to the college football podcast with Herbie and polycom Kevin Godley national signing day was on Wednesday. It's effectively becoming the second signing day in the College Football Oh calendar. ESPN national recruiting analyst. Jerry Hamilton will break down. What you need to know is some of the last big name recruits signed their letters of intent? Later on we'll have ESPN staff writer. Dan Murphy on to discuss Mark Dantonio retirement from the head job at Michigan State. He's been all over this story and we're interested to get. It is unique perspective on. What's happening right now in East Lansing before we get started? Please remember subscribe rate reviews. Show wherever you listen to your podcast and don't be afraid tell a friend tweet US using the HASHTAG. CFP pod all of it helps us get the word out about the podcast than WanNa let you know. It's it's February so we going at it since August or the podcast GonNa take a little break. Maybe go on vacation. maybe Maybe go to the beach or something like that. It's appropriate for us to put our feet up and don't worry though we're going to be back throughout the off season getting ready for Spring Ball. That's why it's also important that you subscribe bribe wants the newest episode drops. It appears on your phone. And you won't be out of the loop at all in the off season and finally check out the latest edition the S. V. P. Pod S. VP's back in the PODCAST game. They're dropping new episodes every Tuesday. This week it's just him in Stamford for Steve Chopping it up on the Super Bowl those guys. They have a lot of fun wherever they go. Check it out wherever you listen to your podcast now onto the show the college football podcast with Herbie and pollick. Now here's your host. Kevin Gandhi big fireworks now in college. Football happened in December when it comes to recruiting it is the first installment of national national signing day and the second one just took place yesterday the one that I think the traditional first week of February one where everybody used to get hyped up about got it now. It's more like are cleaning things up right. It's it's your dessert. After the main meal. December after coaches of left now. And they've transitioned. New Coaches ages are coming in to try to ensure things up and no one better to bring in Jerry Hamilton. ESPN national recruiting analysts to join us now to to clear some things up as they were some loose ends heading into yesterday. Jerry and I think we've got some clarity. There's still some questions especially surrounding a top five player Jordan burge but just treetops your first impression on how things rounded up for the major programs Including Clemson winning. It's you know it's it's first time ever on top of the comes to the best recruiting class for Dabo. Oh Sweeney and that to me. Stood out yeah you know I think when you look at Clemson the thing I love about their classes. They have one of the nation's top quarterbacks ax. And what I really like about that situation is. That's not a kid. That's unless there's an injury to Trevor Lawrence. That's not a kid. That's going to be pressed in the playing. He actually he could. They could get them in the four games keep his redshirt. He's coming from southern California to Clemson. He's making a huge life change so I think it's great that they get one nation sought quarterbacks and he's not gonNA to be pressed into action immediately unless catastrophic happens and then the defensive line class is just stellar. I mean when you look at the history of rankings on the defensive line when you look at those top defensive lineman they're hit rate on getting drafted is pretty high or have being really good college players really hot so when you look at those those four guys they signed on the Eli. It's a good bet. Three of those guys in that playing on Sunday or three of those guys ended up being really good college players and at least two of them are high draft. Pick so so when you look at that so they got wore daddy's upfront on defense and they got a really talented quarterback Vin. I think their offense of line classes. Probably the most underrated part of that class last walker parks is a really good athlete. All five of the guys. They signed her legitimate four store prospects and they're good at tackle guard and they have a guy that can play sooner. They already have a top center. Twenty twenty one so when you look at Clemson success under Dabo and the run day been on Dave done without having highly drafted offensive lineman. What happens if they start getting really coveted offensive line? NFL prospects do they go to a totally different level than they even happened. It'd be hard or two but there still is always room to improve for programs that offensive line consistency. NFL draft picks is Simpson Jerry. That that is a scary proposition to look at how the offensive line has not been. I don't want to say a target but has not been the highest priority for Clemson and now that they're they're upgrading it down on the road at it's scary. It's a scary proposition. I think for everybody around them. Let's stay in the state here and let's focus and I brought his name up in Jordan Birch. He's he's he's a fascinating prospect fascinating story of defensive tackle and LSU target. He makes the announcement where yesterday. He says he's going to South Carolina. He's a five star defensive. Tackle here yet as the night was going on. He never sign the national letter of intent. So as a result will must chat. Yesterday is saying we've got twenty four of the twenty five kids and he cannot comment on Jordan Birch. What is the latest eight us as we tape? This has the young man committed has he actually signed his national letter of intent. So I have not. I've not nothing's come across across the desk for me and it says he's actually signed the letter of intent but I expected to. I'll be surprised if he doesn't. I do think South Carolina's going to be where he ends up looking committed the south South Carolina twice publicly. I mean he would probably be the first recruit in the history tour. Commit to a place to same school twice and then not go to that school so I fully really expect him to end up South Carolina. But like you said there's two recruitment that are totally out of the norm and this cycle. It's Jordan Burton Zac Evans so very difficult to predict. But I will be very surprised if birch does not suit up for South Carolina. Now we seal salsa moves in the last twenty four hours hours Tennessee. They finished strong temporary like they finish. Strong Georgia look like they finish strong Texas A. and M. Finish strong what stood dude out yesterday when we talk about some of these power teams making these moves inside the top ten. Well for Georgia they. I mean they almost were the our number one class. Yes I mean. It was razor thin margin because they signed rotter Jones in the sitter CETERA. Van Print. Both those guys have been committed You know brought her Jones really flirted with Auburn but he didn't show up on that week. January thirty first official visit weekend when he didn't show up at Auburn that weekend it was over he was signed on with George W there was a two horse race even though he made a couple other visits. So signing those two talented offensive Lineman five star Broader Jones and one of the nation's top center center grant were massive for Georgia didn't they added another at the restore corner or safety kid. They flip from Ole Miss Dairy and branch to go with a a a really good defensive back class so I think they kind of finished up their class. Well well I thought Texas. Am Now getting McKinley. Jackson was a big win for the aggies. Because that's the war daddy's upfront you have to have and that was a kid that Alabama. LSU Auburn Ole Miss Mississippi state out of the State of Mississippi. They all wanted the kid they would have all signed him so that was a huge win protected him they got him in that last weekend. So when you look at what this text is. Am have to do to make that move in the SEC west. And it's not an easy move to make when you're looking up but Auburn LSU An Alabama but if they are to make that move its continuing to build the power. In on both lines of scrimmage the defensive of lines ahead of the offensive line for 'em I think this twenty twenty one class is GonNa be huge on the offensive line. Protects is am Getting McKinley Jackson and the force are running back. Dr Marvin Hubbard getting him out of Arizona with all the stuff going on with Zak Evans. You know in the school's backing out on the five star running back so getting another running back back in the fold was huge. Especial after Jay Sean. Corbin transferred back to the State of Florida. The what do you make of Tennessee. And what they did and Harrison Bailey and then adding speed steed I mean to get Malachi Wiedeman to flip from Florida state. He's a freak freakish athlete. WHO's a wide was basketball players? Well what what do you think of what Tennessee he did. You know. I really like what Tennessee did I like their defensive line class. First of all Dominic Bailey really quick twitch kid out of Maryland Area Tyler Bear and You know he stayed home Big Time Athlete Getting Morbid Johnson out four to who was a one time or two an order steak commitment so you got one of the better alignment out of the State of Florida. I really liked that but offensively obviously when you look at that class it's Jalen high. Who signed early really fast? Now he rolls out of bed and runs four or five. He can just pick them up and put them down but Mallika Wiedeman like you said anybody seen the basketball basketball clips of him. He has a legit chance to play two sports in College I think that was big in his decision. But you get a six three six four. Maybe maybe even six five. When he's done growing kids it's going to be two hundred and fifteen pounds? They can leave his feet The way he can get up in the air. It's going to be a heck of a red zone target target. He's the guy you can just throw back shoulder ball sue all day. I really liked the talent Tennessee brought in in this class and I think it was a pretty good classes for addressing thing. Need that linebacker offense of line defensive line and wide receiver. They got a really good inside. Linebacker out of Georgia's well so I think. They addressed their needs first and foremost and those needs were addressed with the type of talent they need to truly compete consistently and SEC. How about some of the new coaches here because obviously Malachi Wiedeman and leaving Mike Norville in Florida State We understand that these coaches are under the gun but Oh Man Lane Kiffin Dave Aranda when you look at Greg and what novell's trying to do his class wasn't strong. What do you make of these guys trying to make up ground here within within weeks time assembling their own coaching staff and trying to get hold of the targets from the previous regime also bring in targets from their past regime? Yeah and so on my soapbox but I'm not an early signing period guy doing this twenty one years. My Dad is school culture of nearly forty years in Texas. I don't like it for the fact that you said right there. When somebody's hired the first week in December you have one official visit? We can essentially in ten days to save the class and try to build relationships and add to that plan and that is a that is a very difficult proposition. When this year nearly eighty percent of the prospect signed in December the first year was about seventy four percent? Percents seventy five. Then it jumped about seventy six. This year was it was almost eighty percent so more kids are signing earlier in that puts these coaches in a bind in these schools in a bind especially like Florida state because the process of hiring coach went on probably longer than it should have and that affected the class horse. Slide a top twenty class and I think the added some not pieces in the secondary to getting to a party at quarterback was massive flipped him from Louisville in the early signing period insect. Signing a second quarterback Tate wrote or maker out of Valdosta. Also that was One A on the list that might Norville had to do and he did that. So give him credit for that Arkansas I think San Pittman. C'mon did a great job him and his staff did a great job. Obviously they got a leak orange. Be The quarterback out of juice scenario yesterday and kindle browser quarterbacks from Texas pretty well right as long as. He's at Arkansas Arkansas. But what they did was they address leads on the offensive line. They got to code defensive end that can come in and help Julius Coats they flipped. ESPN three hundred safety from Oregon Miles luxury one to stay little closer home east from Oklahoma Then they got three. ESPN three hundred receiver. Darren Turner back in the fold. I really like what Sam Pittman did they went from forty four to twenty nine class. Ranking with us It yesterday they put together some really key pieces and it's title. It's a tough row now in. Sec West. We talked about earlier but from Texas looking at three schools. That try be in Arkansas looking everybody so it's a tough road but I think Sam Pitman's is off to a good. Start Your thoughts on Lane Kiffin. Obviously the big splash coming in. And he has an ability that to connect to to recruits What did he make a dent early on his first recruiting class? I think it was hit or miss. I think getting the quarterback cade renfro early after Robbie Ashra Astros committed their longtime and flip the organ. I think you had to get a quarterback in the class They got former. LSU verbal demo- demon cloudy. WHO's obviously the cousin of A? JV On cloudy. That was a big win. You've got to have the edge Russia ability. I think the Juku kid and they kept a couple of line. Four Star Linebacker Austin He. Ah Getting the Juku linebacker. Daily keeping those guys in the class was huge. ESPN junior college. Top fifty corner TVs Daniel. He could push early. I starting being spot restore defensive tackle to Santa Rollins. Those are all really good guys to keep in that class and I think they're going to have to play early. I don't think maybe illness had the success. That Arkansas Console had which surprised me All misconstrued Zac Evans or Tennessee Code. We'll see when Zack offensively officially decided or shows up somewhere. You never know what that recruitment but ole miss did not you Kinda come out of the gates like I thought they would. I thought they may do Arkansas. Actually did which is something interesting. Look at the future. Let's talk about the battle in Florida. Obviously we touch base a little bit on Florida's state. But you know Florida. You know what Dan mullins been doing. He's a fantastic tastic recruiter and then Manny Diaz. Now when you have Ed Rita's as the chief of staff and if you've got a big win yesterday with the vaunting Williams the safety You know making that flip picking Miami over Florida. What's your impression of both those programs? Yeah let's start with the von say Williams because look we had them in the under armour all America. Erica game I in that was January third so he was down there with us. The Week of December twenty nine through January third and I talked to him multiple times the kid who we've known through the At ESPN through the under armour cancer years since his freshman year and I walked away. They're convinced he was going to Florida. Then Ed Reed was hired at Miami now Kvant say was committed to Miami is a young high school player then he was committed to Oregon for a while but I one hundred and this is not discount Manny Diaz in the frame band. They did a really good job. OPS saying on that kid on the volunteer and recruiting. But without the ED reed higher I don't think avant say Miami so I think that was massive in a Miami upsetting Florida because I I thought it was headed the forties from the Land Florida He has a couple of young children. I thought he was gonna stay really close to home there at the end of the day. That's why he de committed from Oregon but without the Higher Ed Reed. I don't think he goes to Miami. So you give credit for making that higher in a funny thing about that is Ed Reed was the coach and the under armour game so it Kinda worked out perfectly there for Miami in a way because they read it Probably got the no avant Williams a little bit that week Florida I love their class. Look Laura. I think Florida fans the I started in this business covering taxes when Mack Brown was really on topic taxes in Florida. Similar to me in that. You know when you're you're you're used to under urban my recruiting top three top four top five classes. That fan base isn't happy with eight nine or ten French class generally And and I think when you in the state of Florida and none of your schools have a top five class. y'All scratch your head because it's such a talented state But I think Dan Mullen top. Ten class is really good because they address need Getting princely I won't proud his name right humanity mealy and yesterday was huge to go with five star Girvan. Dexter really really good edge. rusher Antoine Pal out of Virginia and a quick fast which Interior Guy Johnny Brown out of Tampa so they really did a good job. Replenishing D. Line and Matt Glass. I think they did a really good job. LINEBACKER with Derek wingo corner Jafari Rogers of all the corners in the under armour game. He broke on the football better quicker and more explosively than he could. We had it under armor week at defensive backs up keep in mind. He's a high school quarterback out of the Dallas Texas area. WHO's GONNA play corner? Florida and even penalty was a one time. Texas commit out of Winter Park. Florida has huge upside at corner. Good ball skills. I Love Isaiah Walk or the offensive tackle Miami. Ama Area I I think he has. NFL NFL future and then the big win in January was the receiver Xavier Henderson. and He's a kid that Florida state. Clemson it really came the Florida. Clemson Georgia coveted. Everybody covered this. Cover the Diskette Alabama but his brother was. Cj Henderson and that's just not a recruitment you can lose when CJ Henderson's as a potential first round. Pick corner out of Florida and had a great career or two. You cannot lose that. Recruitment and Dan Mullen one that recruitment. And that's a kid. Xavier in Henderson Anderson. I'll be surprised if he's not. NFL Player one day just so talented. He's six three one eighty and he could really run and go get the football so I think they did a good job. Addressing needs on the offensive line defensive line wide receiver and defensive back and Linebacker so quarterback is addressed in twenty twenty one. I think that's huge huge For Florida in Twenty Twenty One and twenty two classes but Dan Mullen such a great college football coach. I think he does as good a job as anybody. It taking the talent he has and putting in position to be successful and so whether Florida signs the fifth ranked class two eight class of the Twelfth Grade Class. He's GonNa maximize those kids all right. We're going to stay a little bit in the South Real Quick and touch on Lsu Alabama and you also mentioned Imagine Mike Brown around and he had a phenomenal start in December especially focusing on that defensive. Line your impressions of what you saw from wrapping things up and Nick. Obviously Nick. Sabin had had a joke yesterday. Somebody asked him about you. Know his this recruiting class from yesterday. And he he brought up math and said well we had twenty two commits in December. So we only had three today because you can only get twenty five your thoughts on on Bama Lsu and what Mack Brown has done. I I'll start with Bam a tent top three class in the past eleven eleven years Also on the surface another great class I think bryce young could be a three year starter quarterback for them I. I'll be surprised if he he doesn't win the job. At some point in his freshman season I think that highly of him A receiver Tayo Jones Bell is another speedy guy from south Florida. Were they had a lot of success. I think the running back group was tremendous for Alabama Jason McClellan flipping him from Oklahoma. I think he's a guy who'll be very successful Roy Del Williams the same thing from in-state. That kid is a very physical presence running back. Watch him pass pro and future years I I think they address those needs really well linebacker pass rush edge. Guys Chris Braswell William Anderson to the best in the country the Moi Kennedy Linebacker who Lsu Lsu almost flipped from Alabama in December but Alabama holding on the him in state was a huge win. I think they address the tackle. Well I think they address their needs I will. I'll say this about Alabama. I don't think they are in the position to just so to. They want anymore. And that is what you've seen because it's tougher to win in the state of Georgia with Kirby smart there now so why Alabama's recruiting at an elite level. I don't think they're quite selecting like they were for about a five or six year. Run just something to watch wjr down the line. Because I'm not sure they're secondaries as talented as it was when they're on they're really good Iran So just something to keep in mind there LSU. I thought it was the perfect storm. Ormond recruiting this year at a great recruiter. When you take a guy that turns around and offense with one hire the quarterback goes on and wins the heisman trophy? Be They win the National Championship. It's a perfect storm in recruiting so all the fans were thinking. I will get everybody in Twenty Twenty Watch out for Lsu in twenty twenty one twenty twenty two twenty twenty three. That's the national championships. Really help you the years after that and they have the number four ranked class that huge wins on in the secondary I'll say this without that turnaround off whether they had won the national championship or not. They got five store tied in Gilbert out of the Atlanta area. That's not a recruitment data. One when they they were matriculating. The ball down the field so credit the ED order on for Hiring Brady In the season they had authencity and win the national champion. Gilbert committed. Well Oh before the national championship was one or the SEC was one he was going there because of what he saw on the offense so That is what happens. When you flip the script offensively Lee and you go from a matriculating offense to an offense? It's fun for kids to watch you. Get One of the best players in the country running back Kvant. TRAE BRADFORD A kid out of Lancaster remember. Remember this kid's name now they are. LSU POINT WAS GONNA get back Evans then. Things kind of fell apart ZAC Evans himself. On the field senior year north shore and is recruitment team started backing backing off at Coventry Bradford taxes. Awhile Lancaster he has a legit speed now he is. He runs on a four by one hundred and four by two hundred team at Lancaster. It's one of the fastest in the state of Texas. He's a kid. Who can he can hit the crease? And he can strike up the band or remember that name. That's a really good. I love their last now. I mean there. Align class will have multiple guys that drafted in it and their offense of lying class Marcus dumber Ville and Marlin Martinez Martinez. Out of Saint. Thomas Qantas very good in their own. Right so I think they did a well have a well rounded class there You know you look at North Carolina now. You know Mac what they had to do was defensive line in this class and you know what Tim Brewster is still one of the very best recruiters in college football. It's so as background when they zero zero in on a target and it was Desmond Evans. Clemson hurt them in state a little bit. Getting Mitchell maze the offensive Lineman Trenton Simpson late. The linebacker on Mallard Creek but Desmond Evans was seen as the guy they absolutely couldn't afford to lose the five star defensive end and they got him on top of that they got miles. Murphy and in Kendrick Eric Big League Jones and collide pinned or they signed that delaying class. They absolutely had to have something to remember down the line. is they build that depth on the defensive front and hopefully get got a couple of difference makers for him And they add they address wide receiver. Josh downs it's GonNa be a really good slot receiver. I think they had a really good class. The only reason North Carolina didn't have a top ten class is because Clemson's on top of the College football world from recruiting perspective right now and they badly wanted to of the top three players in the state the and and you know one of the first things. Mack told me when he took over as I'm building a fence around the state Because he wants to make sure that over we're time that he could be dominant with with the town in North Carolina. That was the key to his success. The first time he was at North Carolina he could seize laying down the groundwork right but while still dealing with Dabo and his success and his ability to recruit nationally So when we talk about the south teams. They're they're going to be they're going to be everywhere anywhere in the top ten but one thing that is most consistent is Ohio State no matter what is inside the top ten and the the majority of time inside the top five. How do you view? Ohio State and Michigan Penn State. And what they did I think Ryan Day as a first year head. Coach may have done the best job putting players in a position to be successful that I've seen And I and I think he almost created that perfect storm warmed adores her on. Did and look they go into the college football You know playoff in year one is a head coach. I mean that that is pretty much creating the perfect storm that winning the National Missile Championship. I just expect Ryan Day. I love the evaluations debate on the offensive line in this class and in the secondary and Linebacker acker Julian Fleming obviously that our top ranked player in the country. And he's a real star. Wide Receiver stunt players stood kids. That mentality he's going to be a hit So I just really like everything they did. In this class Jackson Smith the attack is another tremendous wide receiver. Scott they really good go get the ball guy wide receiver so I really think they address needs well but that's a program. There's you know we can. We can identify their six. Seven urban programmes should recruit the top ten every year off. Tradition the facilities The money behind the school What you can spend on recruiting rooting budget that your TV ratings all the time how many People Watch your game that you read your state in your region states one of those programs what Urban Meyer did so well when he was there was also recruit the south and then and you look at Ohio state this year? JK Dobbins Texas Kit. Jeff Mukunda Texas Kid. Those guys we're going to be drafted really high critic probably top ten pairing Bryan and other Texas kid at linebacker so in the future with Ryan Day to continue to be those top five classes. He's GonNa have to recruit down in the south to bring some of that extra speed like urban. Meyer did if Ryan Day does that. It's going to be taught by classes consistently as long as he's there because it's it's one of the programs that if you win they will come and scooting state talent. There's good regional salad. And if you can recruit nationally as well you're going to sign up top five. Plus how do you view Michigan Because obviously when Jim Jim came to campus it was all sleeping with the guys. He's doing these over. He's not leaving this kid. He's you know when I sleep with the guys I met. He's sleeping over the kids right around the recruits and he's GonNa make a big big connection. What did he wanted his staff do During this recruiting period you know. Look I mean I. It's a top fourth top twelve of class in five years. So they're right there or they recruiting at the Clemson Ohio State Alabama Lsu Georgia level consistently insistently. They're right there behind that. But you know what they have enough to win the Games And I think they did a great job keeping guys some key guys in State Brayden McGregor Egger macari page Andrei sell then They continue to go to New Jersey. And that's been a huge for our boss. He was hired at Michigan. They've had massive wins in New Jersey including Rashawn Gary so they got two more. ESPN three hundred guys. Out of New Jersey at linebacker was a huge lead in this class and they signed for really good prospects Maybe five Jalen Herald spin down out of the Tampa area could spin down. Play the long term it just keeps getting bigger and bigger but I think they address their needs really well Is there class. Like I said right there with those top five classes a step behind and I think you know. Look it's I it's been well documented. He needs to beat Ohio state. I mean that's the only way you're really going to break through In really take that next step in in in recruiting and so again and they're gonNA sign as long as Jim Harbaugh say they're gonNA sign top ten twelve fourteen type classes so they're gonNa have enough talent It's going to be. Can they get that key win on the field sir. James Franklin has a phenomenal ability of connecting and recruit. Right really well in Renzo Vinas. Well what was your impression of Penn state I you know he's he number twelve ranked class. linebacker Curtis Jacobs. I think it's GonNa be a star I I think the thing there is they. He did did a great job in Maryland. He's always done a really good job recruiting Virginia Maryland hitting those areas and you know Maryland has the toughest job of keeping top kids. I Ah home in any state in the country in my opinion maybe Arizona's right there with them Virginia a little bit. But so you can go in the Maryland and have a lot of success. If Your Penn State Ohio State St James Franklin has done that and Curtis Jacobs a Baltimore area kids. So they've done a really good job in that state. I like the depth and I like The consistency in this class offensive line was good. They went through the Juku ranks for wide receiver and corner. Both those kids should be impact players. They went to Canada for a tight end. Johnson it was really good at the under armor game till he tweaked his knee So I really like what they did. I think they're gonNA job recruiting regions regions and areas. Where they can win reading battles and James Franklin once he gets them on campus once he walks into home as good as it gets now? I mean he's on a bobby. Bowden vowed mack brown level of recruiter. When it's time to talk to the parents and connecting with kids as you said so if he can get to the kids like he's GonNa have success and they signed another tall not told not glass? He doesn't amazing job in fighting also Talent on the outside and weapons in the backfield of course in what they've done Ricky slate eight announcing that he's in the transfer portal. make us understand this whole thing because I think people sometimes forget to that you can have twenty-five scholarship scholarship players but at the same time does that include guys coming in transferring Grad transfer. How does the transfer portal play a role here when when it comes to recruiting and you national signing day? Yeah it doesn't it doesn't factor in that that that twenty five you can back. You can back count early early. Enroll these transfers into recruiting classes. So there's some ways to manipulate that a little bit manipulate your numbers and everybody does it with the early enroll. Laser them Ah The transfers But how it affects you so this is the way I look at it and I look. It must go through the power five. I think you always have to have a scholarship a tour. Ah To available nowadays. I if you get really close at eighty five and you're sitting on eighty four and a couple of kids enter the portal. That can be difference makers for you man that could it really hurts. You from the next season You look at the University of taxes getting Parker Braun. You look at him. Two years ago off the Linemen Anderson Outta writes those guys transferred in were instance starters at the university attack Anderson Star of the team that beat Georgia and the sugar bowl. So I think it's imperative elite a couple of slots open nowadays because you you'd never know who's GonNa hit the portal and if you have one need after signing bay somebody gets hurt and spring practice. It was a key for you. It's always nice to have that cushion if that employer available to go get now. The hard part is of its Grad transfer how to how does it match up academically and you get the kid in your school. Then if you're let's just go to the lower division once you look Willie Taggart at Fau. Got Six seven kids that are going to transfer in two of those kids. We're at FSU with him TJ Chase was backup receiver. clemson percents There's a receiver from transferring for if you're fa you WANNA have a few spots open because the portals your friend you UTSA were one. One of my friends in coaching. Jeff trailer are the portal is your friend. That's the way you can then quickly you hit on a quarterback and use the portal. You can ascend really quickly at the mid major drew level. So there's different ways to go about it. I think but I think it's like what Willie Taggart student at. Fau really going to be good the portals going to be very beneficial to him especially when you see the kids that are coming in in the transfer market Jerry. Let let's go to the fact. Twelve in a last year Oregon was was the huge story line and and how they finished up and how gobbled up a ton of talent in southern California and that is that used to be. US's he's dominant playground and they didn't sign a recruiter yesterday. USC They didn't sign a quarterback for the first time since two thousand twelve. Well they didn't finish in the top fifty of the rankings from ESPN eight. PAC twelve teams made the top fifty and USC was behind a school like Oregon Oregon State. What is going on with USC and recruiting right now? I think it's just it's very negative out there talking the kids it's Like I do. It's just a very negative mindset right now all the guys don't sell a lot of the guys don't think Klay Hilton's GonNa make it long term. It sounds crazy And I think there's a negative vibe you know for me and recruiting. It's Kinda simple if you're the cool school kids kids go there. I mean your hometown your kids in state stay around if one of the schools in states that cool school right now. USC's not the cool school with these kids and matters. I know that's a simplistic way to say it. But if you think about this wh USC and what all the PAC west coast schools are up against right now in recruiting and and they're doing a fine job. Look Oregon's did a great job. Washington data great job keeping their class together but I always say this about recruiting the age of influence for kids. There's like ten eleven twelve thirteen years old when those kids are turning on the TV and watching college football die identify with a player and they identify with teams needs. So if you're on the west coast now trying to keep all those kids home. Those kids are accustomed to seeing Clemson Alabama Ohio State Notre Dame even the playoffs. They're they're they're seeing other teams win the National Championship and go to the playoffs. All those kids are winning the major awards in College Football Ah They have more. High draft picks those schools and other schools do in Conference for sure Judas sheer numbers in the SEC. Evan fourteen schools in the most talented region in the country. But it's what kids see. And so you're recruiting against that right now and so if there is any question marks around your program. Good luck I mean and when you think about it bryce young. Dj Two of the top quarterbacks in the country to Alabama and Clemson from southern California that kind of goes to my point. Doesn't it off off. It's just stunning I to me. Maybe I'm a traditionalist to me. You're you're always still USC right and especially in in southern California with all that talent. US's may not may not be on a global. I mean a national scale like you mentioned these other programs right now but wherever. USC were to go you when you see the color and you look at the tradition. It's again our thoughts on. USC ARE SNOOP. dogg on the sideline line or Pete Carroll Reggie Bush Matt liner all those guys. That's what we think about Right now we think about all that tradition at USC. I think the memories are so short nowadays with these kids You know but here's the other thing we're with. USC This is one classroom early on and Helton's Tenure there they were really really high level. They have a lot of good players coming back and one of the reasons. They didn't sign a quarterback. This year is because After the injury early. Ah onto a starting quarterback tied-in slowest the freshman out of Arizona. Comes on looks really good so one of the reasons. You don't get a quarterback in this class because because the guys you want it don't see path to the starter and so they're gonNA find a different path like bryce young thought the path that Alabama and I think he's right is a better path than the the path that USC to be the starter and he's going to a program that's one more consistently so I think that's kind of what you're battling but you had good. We're glasses in the past or help ELP and they have a lot of talent in the program. It's not depleted program by any means. But what happens when you have an off class. is everybody else catches up to. Are you pretty quick. Yeah that's a fair point and we'll we'll end this conversation because jerry been fantastic on Notre Dame and and and that that is one of those on the same level of USC when you look at the history and the expectations urine. You're you're out. Regardless of who the coaches you believe. They will still maintain a top twenty class. They finished fourteenth. They didn't recruit yesterday but what happened. Land in Bartelson. And where where would you look at Notre Dame. Where did they target? And what did they do so well. The I think they recruit the offensive line tremendous every year. I and I think it's always gonna be that way Ah they continue to sign really good offensive line prospects and and that's always going to give them a chance to be really good. I drew pine a quarterback that they signed. I Don Northeast. I I think you get those football really. Well we'll see if he's as good athlete a- underrated athlete like in book is Pocket Athlete. Let's say To keep a play alive and make a throw pine similar arm talent Similar size kid. Maybe a little under size I Chris tyree go in there from Virginia. Now this kitchen okay can really run now. He wrote he rose out bedrooms for four. Now he's really fast so he's going to be a nice gadget weapon and be a factor in the return game. I think they've addressed needs needs. Really well at Notre Dame in this class and look Notre Dame similar to a Florida to Texas some of those programs. If you don't recruit a top five six class stop top seven class. The fan base is Kinda like we didn't really have a good year but if you consistently recoup classes around the top ten. You're good enough to win almost all the games and and again the issue with Notre Dame is you know when they got blown out by Alabama and last year in the close loss at Georgia's it just seems like they're two or three players away. Hey those playmakers that elite difference maker playmaker away and we'll see a kid like Chris tyree. Maybe they hit a home run there and he can be that guy for good stuff. Jerry we do appreciate it a we were expecting a twenty minute conversation. I told Taylor. Let's just keep on going because the information was great. You can you could follow Jerry Hamilton. ESPN national recruiting analysts that Hamilton Espn. That's on twitter. Really appreciate it. You can enjoy a little vacation now so and hopefully by then when you get back from vacation will have an answer on Jordan Birch. Ah Jerry thank you get good letter. One of the big stories outside of recruiting this week is the shocking news. Here's the mark. Dantonio is down as the head coach at Michigan State. After thirteen years saying he wants to spend more time with his wife and his children. But this snooze comes one day. After former Michigan State Recruiting Director Curtis Blackwell filed an update in an ongoing lawsuit claiming that Dantonio on the SPARTANS committed multiple. NCWA recruiting violations Blackwell's saying Dantonio helped range jobs for multiple high level recruits. It's and and of course that is against. NCWA rules because blackwell was not an on field coach while he was involved in these recruiting visits There's a lot of stuff to unpack. Here it's great to have Dan Murphy. Espn College reporter joining us. WHO's been covering this story who was in East Lansing Housing Just a couple of days ago when Dantonio made the announcement and also the press conference so Dan. He's denying it. He's denying the lawsuit had zero impact. But it's hard to ignore the timing of this announcement especially a day before signing day and then just this happens is just weeks after that retention bonus of over four million dollars. What more can you tell us about the story right? I think the biggest question that everyone had when when Dantonio made this announcement as why now. I don't think it was a huge shock. This might be his last season or just set the school record for most wins ever as a coach. He's in his sixties. Steve that was People were wondering when he was going to be ready to step away but with the timing of it in February is obviously a strange one So the the lawsuit has been and something that's been going on for The entire twenty nineteen football season and a little bit before that. So there's been not only some recruiting violation allegations but also awesome allegations that Dantonio ignored very specific warnings about a player Austin Robertson read a history of sexual violence and then that You know within a year revolt Robertson. Being on campus. He was charged with raping fellow students. So some heavy stuff For Dantonio there and you could tell Tuesday night. When he announced you know he had a press conference to announce he was leaving that he had been worn down by all the off the field stuff? That's come across his desk he said as much on Tuesday night so there's that there's the retention attention bonuses. You mentioned that he got about two weeks ago. That the Bill Beekman their athletic director confirmed that they are going to give him that. were point three million dollar check and You know beyond that there's also a on on the field. There's been a rough couple of seasons for the spartans they've been seven and six and back to back years and people have been wondering if Dantonio is a little too stubborn with some of his staff changes and being able to will willing to try new things. You mentioned staff changes the staff changes or no firings. It was just different different positions. You just moving the pieces around in different roles and he took a ton of heat for that Mike Trestle now takes over. Where're error they going to go with this because listen Dantonio in the last couple of years? It's been tough in East Lansing. It is hard to ignore. Though his success I he led them into the College Football playoff. He made Michigan State. Relevant when you look at the history of Michigan State. He's the best coach. He's the best coach in the program's history. And where do they go from here. Especially now the timing as we are now finishing up the first week of February. Yeah there's there's no doubt that he Elevated that program to a level that it's really never been a modern football era You know not since the sixties right that they were competing for national championships and they were right there for a couple years You know how it ended. The probably is not the way he would have drawn it up. They seem to take a step backwards in the past couple of years and I think that they you know that some fresh blood might be good for that program. It'll be interesting to see what direction they go in. You know I think that one thing that Bill Beekman mentioned been talking about their coaching search. The other night was that they wanted somebody that knows the territory and I think that means both sort of understanding the Midwest and understanding what kind of politics takes to win at Michigan State and how Antonio had success and what he was able to do to bring that program up a couple of notches so You know with that in mind. There's there's some obvious names that that I think have been thrown around plenty here in the past week. Pat marked easy who was at Dantonio assistant for a long time. And then Luke fickle. WHO's a former Ohio state player Ohio state coach for a year and a great job at Cincinnati over the past couple of years? So we'll see it'll be I think you know. Obviously they WANNA make a higher as soon as possible because of the the timing of this it makes it really tricky and people are also wondering if you know. I'm sure any head coach. Who is considering taking this job? Wants to know. Is this lawsuit that Curtis Black Roll forming recording former recruiting directors bringing. They're going to be more things that come out. Are they going to be more problems they have to deal with because no one wants to walk into a situation where they're going to inherit some NCWA sanctions restrictions as well. So that's a tricky spot. That the Michigan State Program is in right. Now that they have to figure out how to hire somebody whether they want to do that in or take their time and let my trestle have a while to to see if he can run them and keep them moving in the right direction. Nar doozy said about it. The rumors squash him. Whatever you WANNA call it? He was in fatty about that. I'm here at Pitt. I want to be here. Pit and fickle has said that no one is reached doubt. He hasn't talked to anyone in Michigan state other than Mark Dantonio. So we'll see how this plays out because then your this is the domino effect because if if it it is a guy like nor doozy than you're affecting pit if its fickle you're affecting Cincinnati so there is a domino effect on a decision like this down the road. How about how about the entire culture in Michigan State right now while we talk about The the Larry Nassar and the scandal and what they had the deal with And and this hovering over the program with this lawsuit where is Michigan. State with their border trustees their sports arts department athletic department. Where are they with? This was was this just a a point in. We want to try to move on on and we've got to this scandal and these rumors. We've got to try to move on now from here on out. Do you think that play a role in this decision with Dantonio. I don't think Dantonio stepping away had anything to do with sort of the Caen. Cumulative effect of what's going on there the past few years I think it wore wore him down. I think having to talk about it and think about it for the past. Few years added to the already long You know stressful type of days. That any head coach has to deal with but I think it has contributed in the sense that there is a pretty large avoid of experienced leadership at the university right now they just have a new university. President who is just getting settled in east lansing doesn't have experience running a university that has Division One sports. They've got an athletic director. WHO's two years into the job now but it's never never worked in college sports in any fast for taking that job you know in the Nassar fall out with Dantonio gone? It's really the only guy who's been around for a significant -nificant amount of time to send a position of leadership. Is Tom Izzo right now. I'm going to be interesting. Just is always is probably going to have a say or a word of advice to add to who they hire a football coach. Because he's been around long enough people turn to him for that kind of advice. So the trustees You know ultimately the ones you have to sign off on hiring in football coach at Michigan State. That's the way they're set up but Yeah I think their their place where they need to reset and they don't have a lot of people with long term institutional channel knowledge around to help them do that. That might be a good thing to get a fresh start but it's also makes it more of a challenge for those folks. What was the vibe on? Campus this this week with the news. How's it being received by by people that you've interacted with an awkward? Might be the right word. I I think because a lot of people appreciate what Dantonio don't feel and what he did for elevating the program and the university in sensitive through that I think you know Dantonio at one point during his press conference that hey this is a celebration I can tell you it certainly did not feel like a celebration for much of the night even came out at halftime with the basketball game. They had that night. That if you quick words but they were very quick and you know. I think the fans of Michigan Estate Appreciate Minto Dantonio. What he did for the school but He's obviously leaving under terms that they wish better Both because of the some of the allegations that that are on him as he walks away and because of the which the program and leaving at this time of the year. Good stuff Dan. You could follow Dan on twitter. Dan Dan Murphy. Espn we do appreciate the time and shedding some light and what's going on in East Lansing. Thanks you are. That'll do it here on the college. Football podcast WANNA thank ESPN national recruiting analyst Jerry. Hamilton really good insight. He didn't really catch a bright there. We just rapid rapid fire on a bunch of teams around the country and he knew it all really enjoyed it also is great APP. Dan Murphy College Football reporter join us with his insight on Mark Dantonio and the very latest at Michigan State. Again WanNA remind you guys. It's been great. We've been at it since August. So we're GONNA take a little break here in February wary and of course Get you ready for Spring Ball. The podcast will become back but just maybe a week or two off until then hanging there and enjoy the rest of winter and let's just hope You know our boy Phil was right. That springs right around the corner and also always a big thank you to our outstanding producer. 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