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Ross and Carrie Cool Off With Wim Hof (Part 4): Monozygotic Edition

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Ross and Carrie Cool Off With Wim Hof (Part 4): Monozygotic Edition

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Hof are work friend. Do you remember that term. Frio are warm friendly. The excited redheaded guy was saying that when he got into the top 'cause, that's something that Wim Hof will often says a cold water my warm friend Oh. Okay. I want a little more Russian there. then. He does the redhead who was the first to go the eager guy. He wasn't the first to go. He was one of the I. Know I didn't remember that he's got a lot of catchy little phrases and that's one of them's referring cold water as my warm friend Yes. So is the scientific Name. Describe it one word Okay. Mixed mix I would take seems right Oh goodness. Yeah. How to break this down there so many components again, the Wim Hof method is a combination of breathing exercises, cold tolerance and knits commitment right meditation or something like that's the other of the third pillars But within those kind of two pillars that make real scientific claims, there's a lot of little mini claims and we've talked about quite a variety of them off and on throughout our coverage so far. By the way welcome back hopefully, you've listened to the first three parts. I know I have another one of Wim Hof. Little phrases is a cold shower a day keeps the doctor away. Oh. See See hang on you're expecting an apple you know I hate apples I don't like showers and I go to the doctor a lot We. Weren't something confirmed. A new. I mean. That's one of those things where like you could get away with being like I was being cheeky. Of course, it didn't mean that literally, but you could also take the credit and. That's I. Don't go to the doctor because I do in but you hear that a lot from people who are involved with the method they say, Oh, man, I haven't gotten sick in so long. and. I don't know I feel like I hear that from people in life all the time no matter what they do or whatever they're into just they'll say oh, I've hardly ever get sick it's been so long since I've been sick and I attribute it to this one thing I, happen to be singing the praises of right exactly scientologist never get sick I will admit hear this a lot from vegans you gotta, stop it Y'all. Stop It. You GotTa Stop the last time I was sick was mid February. So it was right before this whole covid situation started and it was just I remember that enough that I was like worried Yo. I'm getting an antibody test soon. So Oh, sweet. I took one from Sitek. that. That's right. You did not no antibodies right now antibodies at that point this is a couple of months ago. We've all been inside for so long. Yeah, seriously. So they do make these claims about immunity and in one of the books here, the one that's co written by Wim. Hof and Kona Zhong called the way of the iceman they're like. They're so careful not careful at the same time. It reminds me of when we go places and they say now I'm not making any claims but some people have said it cures cancer, right what are you saying, right? All you're saying is don't sue me but yes, it cures cancer. That's what you're saying right saying that and also if you wanted to cure cancer, then I'm talking to you and I'm saying, yes but for everyone responsible listening. Right, he's GonNa push me on that claim well, not proven right right and now if you die of cancer because you did this instead of getting chemo, they're not responsible. Yeah. No thank you. Anyway. So there's quite a bit of that in the latter half of this book where he'll say they'll say something really careful. You know like now we would never say that this cures cancer Eighty six women has never claimed he can cure cancer. He would never say that at the end of our last episode, we played a clip where he essentially said that there you go. So they'll tell us that and then tell us about like. WHO You know Kinda was able to. Did the WIMP off method and now got a little better didn't completely recover, but it did seem to. Anytime you get Wim Hof. Goin, he's GonNa say a few things goodness you know he's so passionate and he's just a little crazy. That's part of his appeal and he'll. He'll just to get loud and his arms flail around above his head and they'll kind of say these wild things in you kind of WanNa just a brush them aside and say, Oh, well, you're just excited and also you're speaking in a language that is not your first language he's got he's got many languages, and so I'm impressed that he can talk about scientific studies and. A lot of these terms inflammation vows to try to talk about any of this German. V I thought. I would sound like an idiot. So you know you want it. You want to give him a lot of leeway for that. 'cause obviously, you know he's a smart guy. But but yeah, he'll say these things like I was just hearing him on the Joe Rogan podcast and he was saying we have we've cured depression. Various certainly Wow. All stop. Yeah. It sounded like a scientology statement. We are the only ones who can handle cry is like we have we have solved depression gone external to the five thousand level you wear stratospheric. Yeah and just all these bold especially about autoimmune diseases. That's another one that comes up a lot. And that ranges from claims about of just reading and Scott Carney's book story about a guy with Parkinson's who feels that he's improved even even though obviously still he's struggling. So it's not like a full recovery still he feels that the Wim Hof breathing is giving him daily more active hours. Okay. You hear about it with krones you hear about it with. Yeah. Right here. CROHN's disease It says page ninety five. There's evidence that the Wim Hof method can keep the disease at Bay Kerm. Of course I've looked up online just to see if anyone was talking about it with Xm. Right Right. So definitely I've seen that written a few places and there was one guy who had a two part Youtube series where he had started doing the Wim Hof method and he had splodges all over his skin and it turned out later he realized he had maybe not nazi-like disease, but like a gluten sensitivity. So this was related to that but he did find that it was helpful on just doing the method and he was shown kind his before and after anyways that was his interpretation of the events. Yeah. But then Kinda, once he realized what is actual diagnosis was didn't seem quite as strong of a sales pitch for. And we'll get into it in more detail using the Wim Hof method now using their APP. For twenty days. This is my song twentieth cold shower in a day my cold tower and a day my twentieth daily cold shower in a row. Wow. Yeah. Has It magically cleared up my ECZEMA starting out thirty eight strong though yeah. Yeah. Are you going to do this? Your entire thirty eight th year? No. Should I think you would do it was toying with how long should do this? I'll get into that more but I'm either going to get the next round of badges that comes with getting. All right yeah. WHO NEEDS STINKING BADGES Or maybe I'll do it until I get sick again. Okay okay. So it can be obnoxious and be like I've been doing my mouth and I haven't gotten sick and so long share share. But yeah, I'll tell you about my adventures of the APP. Okay. Sounds good. I. Want to note of very funny little passage in the iceman where they're talking about Crohn's disease. This is neither here nor there but one of the people who participated in the half method in order to treat his crows disease in his mind at least described Cohn's disease this way. Well, I have an extreme right-wing intestinal wall it attacks everything that's foreign and that leads to inflammation. Very. Funny. There's a man who's prominently featured on the whim Hof Youtube Channel and I've seen them I think in the group episode there's so much Wim Hof stuff I've been watching. So it's hard to separate everything, but he had Yom Beret Syndrome. and His doctors were saying he was pretty close to death at one point and he really credits the Wim Hof method for getting his life. And he does it every day and does the cold baths and a sixty? S. or at least he was when he was doing these videos. So yeah. That's a stories about some very serious conditions. Yeah, and if you just hear those vacuum, you think wow. Okay. Good dessert testimonials essentially, right. We're all. We are all not even that good of of our own experience, right which is why we have trials where we isolate variables because sometimes there are spontaneous remissions and sometimes other things are factors that we aren't even considering are thinking about. Maybe, it's the scientology your life that actually probably that's that's our answer speaking of which sorry to interrupt but they just send me the La. Org newsflash issue to volume one and I'm just I'm floored because we talked before on the podcast about them sending the mail and that's what finally got them to stop and let let's finally Oh scientology like we know we had posted a few of the letters that they had. And they see finally took me out their mailing list but I don't know what they're doing quite every mailing every now and then they just say, oh, we got a male more people were. Let's bring all the addresses we can find. So. I've got my fresh. Away or newsletters. She doesn't. She's the senior director of processing at the L.. A.. Org. Now the woman on the back. She looks happy when she's reading a book. Oh. It's an l Ron Hubbard wonder studying the basics is sped up my bridge progress tremendously. You start talking like L. Ron Hubbard Urano. Read that and like Oh. Yeah that's quotable. People will get that. Can I read the glorious state of clear please I finally did it I am free. I can't even express pure joy and excitement I have for life what was once dead and lifeless is now filled with beauty and life I feel like I'm a thousand miles high. Oh, deepen space. But not quite. When I first started this adventure I felt like the spark of joy in my life was missing I knew the one and only solution was to get in session and move up the bridge here I am only a few months later and I'm clear I feel like I. Have My life back. This gift is once in an eternity and I'm so thankful for the opportunity to have climbed the mountain whose that attributed to a C. That's short for a clear. Oh man are Gosawx. Possible the fact check on every level right AC. self-reported Arthur C. Clarke. If you haven't heard our scientology investigation, go back, you'll love it. Long. It is a good. Well, anyway there's some other things that whim Hoff's method may help or maybe. I don't know who knows, but we're going to mention them in this book. Okay. You Got Depression. Of course, they've cured that autism. Schizophrenia. Some Hannah heard that one. It's kind of glossed over though it's like well, they're behavioral disorders like autism and schizophrenia that are common among autoimmune diseases and autoimmune diseases may or may not be helped. You know it's just all yet seems whenever toward whenever someone as Wim Hof about one of these things just insert any condition and you'll just you're sure shirtless while I just believe generally in life if you use this method, your body will be healthier. You'll be, I think his catch phrase is. Stronger happier. Nice and that's what he's all bike. He wants to make the world a healthier happier stronger place and you know he wants to spread love to anybody and and I think he's just so excited about this method whenever whenever you ask him just to gut responsible. Yeah. Of course, it'll make that better it'll make anything better. It makes me want to make up a disease and say it to them and see if he's like that too absolutely or and he's sincere I think like he even strikes me as kind of a compulsive truth teller Yeah. Which I love you know like I feel a kinship for that like when someone one example is on the Joe Rogan show he was mentioning that he only one meal a day and he's been doing that for a win win. Okay. So eats one meal a day like six o'clock pm and Joe Rogan said you've been doing that for three decades and Says Okay actually today was the first time in thirty years but yes, I did have breakfast because I was on a plane from the Netherlands to here and so the time differential. So okay. So I did have some breakfast today but yes, normally it's just the one meal a day and I like that because that tells me like, Oh, I don't WanNa just make broad sweeping statements. My brain focuses on the scanner example so I don't think he's. Being Dishonest I. Think he's just evangelistic about yeah and everybody's limited in their own view and he seen people do amazing things. He's push people to do amazing things and one thing I've learned from all of this is that yeah. If you just Kinda push yourself, you'll do things that will really impress you. Yeah. It reminds me of speed reading that way to take away from speed reading was like no seriously, you can probably read faster than you think. Not as fast as we're telling you professor than you probably thick and if that motivates you then awesome. Yeah and I think a lot of our Wim Hof observations will boil down to that. If it inspires you to kind of do more and get out there you know whether it's in the cold or not. You're doing something and that's good and proving to yourself that you have stamina. You didn't believe you had eight. There is a really phenomenal book called Snake Oil. Science. That I read few months ago. That's just about alternative medicine through the Lens of the Placebo. Effect. And what that means and what it doesn't mean that it doesn't entirely mean this is all junk. It means it works on this in this one very specific way, and if you're okay with that fine. But if you want it to like treat a bacterial infection, you're GONNA WANNA. No, no, that's not what we're doing here that the book also makes this. Really. Great Point that we used to think that the human limit on how fast we could run the mile was five minutes, right? Like that was the quickest you could possibly do, and then people started beating it and then a bunch of people started beating exit just approved to us all like Oh. Okay. Wait the threshold was lower than we thought right and. And so a similar thing can happen with these methods and these alternative medicine practices were they. They basically defy what you thought. You knew about yourself, but you always had that capability we just unlocked with your own belief. Shifting the overton window kind of shifting the conversation essentially now, we have a new frame of what's acceptable. What's possible? I like it. I think there's a lot of that and wim, Hof, yes, and if it does that for you if it motivates you awesome. Cool. Cool. As long as you don't do it the breathing thing in the pool I know everybody wants to go there. But don't do off reading there. Yeah. So I am a little confused about what the order of operations is. So you you do the breathing, then you stop and get in the water yes. Well, I think you have people who will use this to kind of increase their ability to do things underwater. For example, in the Scott Carney book, they meet with Laird Hamilton I think his name is is. Like a pro surfer, really impressive surfer guy and he has a place in Malibu. They'll do these really dangerous pool exercises while Scott was there like Orlando Bloom was busy swimming back and forth with allow heavyweight city was holding onto underwater well, and they say that like regularly people will go quote unquote floppy you know when you can tell they're starting to pass out and they're there to like rescue them. So I think the idea is kind of like Oh if you're super advanced and you have supervision, you can try these things but as far as the official whim. Recommendation goes stay away from the water while you're doing this because that's how people die they. Pass out while doing this oxygen holding Oh, and then they dine even shallow water. Oh, that's interesting. Okay. 'cause I kind of associated with cold water but what you're describing it's more like no, this is to acclimate you like doing shit in the snow. Well, we talked about how the breathing is kind of separate from the cold exposure. Yeah, and when you're in the cold water, you're. Doing a separate type of breathing you're supposed to. Anyway you're slow slowing down your breathing at least in the ice bath. But I'm not sure if they want us to do that. If we're swimming in cold water, I just feel like the instructions are very vague they are. So I think the message is do all of your breathing exercises as a land lover stay away from the water. This will somehow prime your body increase your ability. You know it'll help with immunity and all these other claims. But then when you're going to go get in the cold water, then you can focus on the slow breathing and not focus on holding your breath along time. That's not what you're supposed to be doing in the cold water, which is confused by Wim Hof setting world records. Like holding his breath six plus minutes under ice cold water but he I don't know if he hastens dad but he adds when he's pressed on this the no one should do this unless they're at a really advanced level and have a really high level of control over their bodies. Okay. Yeah. That's confusing. It's legitimately confusing. I like had kind of a list of all of these kind of inherent contradictions I was sensing in the Wim Hof. Again. We mentioned know all of this talks about these fast results. Wow. We've seen these people after just one week's training in their climbing Mount Kilimanjaro Great. But at the same time it saying Oh but you know know your. Your time. Yeah. No snow pressure. There's this huge emphasis on you being able to exceed your limits and maximize your human potential. But then at the same time, they're also reminding you that your. Limit your mortal. You're like entering some very extreme situations when you're getting in cold water. Ease your way up to that. So you're kind of being told. And Red Light. Up The K. Mariner and you've pointed out that everyone is told they can do this like this is for everybody but then there's the hang on. Literally, anything her certain age and if you've got heart conditions especially, if you're pregnant mature your doctor Dr Right on medications didn't our form say or any other medical condition will just said like talk to a doctor if you have some other medical before tear in this. So yeah, it's just there's all these kind of mixed messages, and if you get a little too gung ho about one part of it, you might miss. That temporary rain in that's happening on the sensible side. It's just like anybody who has access to good medical care probably has a diagnosed health condition. You know unlike Xm is going to be on your chart migraines going to be on mine cerebral palsy is going to be on drew's so even if those didn't contribute to whatever happens to you now they can say, well, we said anybody with anything gathered the Alta just. Crazy. So just think it's interesting. There's all those contradictions. Speaking of his world records wasn't sure on the total number of the most recent numbers. I've seen her twenty six world records that he holds Jesus and apparently sixteen of them are related to him sitting in ice. So like him kind of beating his record beating his record. Wow and I don't know if it's one of them but as I was. Reading this Carney book which I keep mentioning it's called what doesn't kill us your lending it to me. Thank you for about three quarters of the way through it. You mentioned that at one point they're hanging around at the new compound that Wim Hof had bought and Wim. Hof was busy trying to plan for them to set a world record for the most number of people with bare feet on an ice rink. No thank you. I love the your reaction is to the actual event being on the ice. But I just think it was funny that I think it says something about the mentality they're like Oh what Kooky weird little young do. Make, the biggest pizza. Or like have the most people breathing through straws at the same time. Well, you may recall that a couple years ago I tried to get US signed up for Guinness World Records. I, think you and women the same person. That was trying to figure out what we could do I. I said I think we might be the people joined the most religions and they were like, no, we don't want this. and. Then I said Okay what if we get the most number of people do a homeopathic overdose they said, yes to that but then we would have to you have to fly out a judge to like make sure you're doing everything right? It's ten. Dollars that was like. Forget it. Oh my goodness. That badly, I participated in the largest group of people bending spoons at the same time. That's cool. Yeah. Then who was a an amazing meeting? The amazing. And I think it was teller. He gave us all a quick intro unlike here's how you do it and then we all bent spoons together. Was it with our minds tennis approved or was it that was just sorta the Daf Gimmick the you know that's what my brain is told me but I can't back that up with anything share and I certainly couldn't Google no god Magin. Google's things. Yeah. I wonder if his are all Guinness records or I, feel it's such a potent advertising thing. So yeah, I think so and he often seems to do amount in times, square some public. So I'm sure it's always kind of worked out with you want me to come on your show. Why don't we set a world record and you can get all the cameras on it and maybe you front ten dollars. For Way Guinness. Guy That seems entirely possible or for marketing expenditures not a bad return on investment of which are able to say that you earned the Guinness. World Record speaking of which I've seen multiple attestations that this is like a million dollar industry. You know there there's a lot of money coming into the Wim Hof method. He's got constant classes and people asking him to come and speak, and he's got a very active. With all of these paid gigs, but it doesn't seem to have changed. We'll certainly not his wardrobe. Scott Scott Cardi was this as well that you know he walked into the bedroom where they had him stay because women off always sleeps on the couch. Anyway. And he found like this bag of all of Wim Hof clothing it's just crumpled in there and anytime you see women give a talk you're lucky for him to be wearing a shirt and. It's always Kinda like ringgold and like the caller is not fitted it's just kinda. Lose there have like you're around the house shirt and it was mentioning his he has like one sports jacket and it's always crumpled. It's sports jacket and it's funny anytime museum. Yeah. He gets up he looks to shoveled Mike he just kind of threw this on it. Yeah. That's just this thing. It's kind of lovable. Yeah. Definitely. For Awhile, I maintained a facebook fan page for the one sweater that Jane Sanders. Sanders, Bernie Sanders is wife O'Brien of course. So for the longest time, she just had this one long sweater with these pretty flowers on it and every time I saw her photograph does like there's There's all right was always clean. It was always pressed but I just thought like those are people who like live frugal I yeah who live what they talk? No, I know that he has he has fancy houses I know but then as he as his profile rose even more than it already was at that point seemed to start getting additional sweaters. Yes. Sell out. And so I had to I. Don't think I shut down the page but I stopped getting much attention. That's hilarious. But anyways, yeah it seems like for all the money funneling in I don't think Wim Hof is using it for extravagant personal expenses. He just doesn't seem to be that guy he likes things simple though in the APP they constantly play this awesome percussion sound and finally in the goop episode, I saw the guy playing that instrument with some other guy. But it's this hand pan drum okay and pan. And that is such a cool sound. So I tried to look it up online and the thing police everywhere. I saw him by one that look like that was like two thousand dollars Oh, Jeez? So that's where all your money is going buying hand pander. Okay cool sound though and to pay for the Guinness Person Now I associate that with during Wim Hof breathing. So I always hear that in the background. I'm distracted by my own chain Sanders Story. Can I add some? Of that, I'm not saying that because Bernie Sanders profile rose shoe now was able to buy more sweaters I'm saying I've met someone on their team was like Jane I've been looking at the picks. You are always this one sweater people are gonNA start to notice they're going to make websites about it right but it's going to be a fan page. So maybe it's fine I don't know time to start showing your feet off so you can be on. Waikiki. That's all I'm saying Jane like famous carry bobbies, feet. That's right. Chiwetel you about studies. Yeah. Tell me about studies. One thing I'll point out while you're gathering your studies and I see you've got binders full of studies now. The Listener pointed out now we've seen a couple of different places is this is interesting. This is contra what Wim Hof says, and what we were led to believe in in our workshop and elsewhere is that when you're doing debriefing, you're taking these big gulps of Air Yeah you're taking a lot of oxygen and with the pattern you're reducing the amount of carbon dioxide in your blood which tells the body not to make that gasp. Soon as it would normally not triggering that response for you to take a new Brat because that's carbon dioxide played that role of saying, Hey, hey, time degree exactly. So so you are driving the carbon dioxide down and you're taking a lot of oxygen. Yes. While you're breathing. But when you go to hold your breath, which is where they start talking about how now you're getting all this oxygen flowing the body as soon as you start holding your breath like that and you've got even a low carbon dioxide content inside the body now. Your blood actually starts holding onto the oxygen and it doesn't let it go. So the haemoglobin kind of retain that oxygen. So the end result is you don't get more oxygen shared out to your whole body. Okay. which is counterintuitive and counter to what Hamas saying that were taught in our workshop. I guess you could still have if they were talking about ratios though if they were saying now you have a higher oxygen to co two ratio maybe yeah I guess maybe I'm your blood, but it doesn't follow the oxygen is getting to. Every cell in your body, which is what they're always. and. So that's why you're getting the tinguely sensations and that that makes sense that part Oh yeah. That's right and cold flashes and tingling and everything like that because you're not getting the same oxygen. So just wanted to clarify that I remember when we did holiday traffic breathing that we figured out that the effect is from low co two where intuitively you think must be low oxygen and that's the thing we need. Right obviously need all these parts of the turns out or tell me about your studies. Okay. Well, a study is when people with degrees get together and they figure out if something's really happening or just feels like it's OK. Okay good I'm glad they're doing. So so there are a couple of irrelevance studies of regarding Wim Hof and. God I cannot believe he has an identical twin cities. So perfect. Yes. So we've talked about his twin Andrei which you hear about a lot though as soon as I read about Andre, I went online to search for Andrei Hof. Yeah. Let's see women off twin brother you. You're expecting to see a photo of the next to each other ones an ice chamber and the other is in a second ice chambers they're all hooked up to medical devices. I've tried so many different search terms and I've looked so many different places and apparently he has another brother that I've seen pictures over. But I have never as far as I have not seen under unless they're using him as some kind of stunt double and it's just an he truly does look identical to his brother and you just can't tell the difference. But yeah, this is a weird missile. I'll have so much respect for him half if at the end of his life, he's like this is all but a social experiment been the two of us. Eating places off and on I swam under the is. Andre was already at the end. Just waiting The Prestige, which film was that where no shoot it's. Christopher Nolan film me I think it's prestige over to magic films that came out around the same time I think was the illusionist anyways yeah. That was the big reveal at the end was that this is how we were able to accomplish these crazy transportation's where he goes from the back of the audience back onto the stage because damn identical twins and they'd kept that a secret I. Spoil the film. I know someone who is an identical quadruplet what? There was a documentary awhile ago about three identical triplets. Yes it's very around each other. In the just weirdest coincidences and that sounds like kind of a week premise for a movie it gets fucking nuts. Yeah. Because there's just multiple levels of weirdness. Some weird shit made them not be in each other's lives and they uncover what that weird shit is. Yeah. It's called three identical strangers is very good. Yeah. So I have sent for facebook messages to. Andrew Hoff's. Live in the Netherlands. Identical. To each other. Boy that would be a whole other news story. They were not your messages where you're Muslim messages. Yes. Actually there Yeah. Nicole messages to identical twins. And the first one I found I was like Oh. This is totally him Oh. My God has to be looked just like him. Then I pulled up the next and it's like Oh let's go also looks like oh This guy also looks like him and then I was like maybe you saying Dutch I'm Dutch. Big Part of my tages. So maybe I just feel kindred spirit. Offended anyway. None of them wrote back. Oh, I know anyway. All right. So he has a twin brother is the poll ain't people were believing this. So yeah he probably a twin brother people with degrees agreed. So there was one study in twenty fourteen in which they took both brothers and said, okay, you know women seems to think that this has more to do with his practice than his genetic. Easy Way to test this when you're a goddamn identical twin yes. Have Him and the twin or more. Could you ask for exactly you have them go sit in the cold and see if they can both handle it. The day did it Exactly, so the study is called frequent extreme cold exposure and brown fat and cold induced Thermo Genesis Study Amano psychotic twin. Rolls off the tongue brown fat do we need to introduce that concept again? Oh, sure. So apparently, your body has a few different ways to handle cold and keep your internal temperature. Warm one is shivering. Used to that, and that kind of vigorous activity of the muscles raises your heat. Another is just to have some good fat protection built-in but which is usually white fat? Yes. Yes. There's this other Fad Brown Fat, Aka Brown adipose tissue or Bat. It's been found in babies and apparently up until like ten fifteen years ago everybody just thought Oh, well, babies have it and then you lose it that's baby fat and you can find some other animals but humans don't really have Brown adipose tissue. Turns out we do as. A very small amounts, but it's not unheard of yeah. It's not gone and and so what it does is it directly uses white fat as an energy source rather than you. Normally we go straight for the carbohydrates I That's kind of good. It sounds good like ooh, everybody wants this fad eats the white fat that sounds awesome and it generates heated Thermo Genyk. That's awesome. Yeah. So then the theory becomes and whenever people talking about Whim Hof they're saying, oh well, you know maybe he just has these high levels of Brown adipose tissue. And either it's genetic or maybe the Wim Hof method will generate more brown fat and there was some thinking that that that there might be a mechanism for that to happen and that the researchers and women it seems went into this thinking. Yeah. Maybe his prolonged exposure to the cold has increased to stores of Brown fat. If that's true, we shouldn't see the the same thing in his brother because his brother is a identical twin and lives sedentary life is a truck driver or driver professional truck driver he's still doesn't work the fish factory. Right. So often you what? Fan. Oh that's right. was he the one who went off and had spiritual enlightenment and then when followed him right? which kind of inspired whim to also seek that wasn't reality. Okay. That was an indifferent sibling. Andre I WANNA know the story where you go and find enlightenment and then you're like. Be driver I mean maybe that's a very zen existence. There is a wide variety of truck drivers. Yes. True. Anyway. Hundred please if you're out there get in touch Andrei apparently one thing is a good fucking sport because new scientists contacted him and they're like, okay you know how your brother does this link crazy cold. Do you mind doing the crazy cola donkey in some cold water for science? Yeah. But don't practice. Okay. Don't prepare for this in any way that fine and honor is like. He's fine. Yes. I'll do it so they. They set up this crazy tent that was like outside in the snow. So it was very cold, but then they could also sort of control the air coming in and out. Make it exactly. Perfect. So the circumstances between the true brother's wouldn't vary. Oh. My goodness. It's like such a complicated methodology how they set this up. As you mentioned in one episode, they had them swallow a thermometer that would take their basil temperature. They add blood samples going they were taking skin temperatures I mean everything you could hope for you and here's the conclusion. No significant differences were found between the two subjects indicating that a lifestyle with frequent exposures to extreme cold does not seem to affect be. which is that Brown fat and cit cold induced Thermo Genesis. But in both subjects, bat was not higher compared to earlier observations. Where as cit was very high, which suggests that the to like breathing during cold exposure may cause additional heat production So one thing that they noticed as they were doing this study is that Andre automatically started doing that we're breathing. Intuitive to him in sting. Yeah. So that made them think like actually no. Now I'm extrapolating made me wonder was there something about their physical makeup that just makes that an easy way to breathe or Bro? Did he had he sort of comes into live leader these brothers because of their genetics and then he has to teach it to us right or has he seen Wim do it I, feel like you said some exposure to whims method you think yeah. So we. Done it himself did he just sort of naturally go like well, here's what you do. Interesting. Another thing they found is I'm going to quote this because I wouldn't know how to summarize it. If I tried they were Gino typed with the polymorphism for uncoupling protein one G CIT was relatively high, but unlike during our previous cold exposure tests in young adult men both subjects practiced this breathing technique. So this this uncoupling protein apparently kind of activates this process a little bit. Okay. So it seems like maybe these to have something that makes us just a tiny bit easier and then on top of that okay. You have the Bilton belief right the the motivation to do it genetic advantage. To this belief but one thing I. think it did show is that women often have more brown fat total than his brother right? His brother actually has slightly more from doing the methods. So yeah, it's amazing that it's slightly more. As, slight as that may be it at least tells us you know we shouldn't expect to build up a lot of brown fat from doing the Wim Hof method more frequent cold exposure totally I was reading an NPR. Where they talked with the DR C Ronald Kahn, a researcher at Harvard medical, school who was one of the first scientists to document the existence of Brown fat in adults in the mid two thousands anyway. So he said that people can increase their levels of brown fat by being in mildly cold environments though he pointed out the being in extreme cold environments doesn't right. You anything additional and he said the effect on the number of calories burnt is also really minimal. It's not generating a ton of energy. So That's interesting. Yeah. He said the average person will burn an extra one hundred to two hundred calories a day when Brown fat is activated. But if you have a Muffin, forget it. Oh. Yeah. A HALF A muffin. What kind of tease eating you'll need a quarter and he says, the USA Brown fat may be active for a few hours but it's not a permanent thing. Right. So that's another thing going on here is that they'll talk about the immune response well, sure. There's an immune response, but there's also an immune response in the placebo effect. So yeah. Yeah. So I mean that is true that if you make your body believe you're taking a treatment, you get this quick little hit moon response, but it's very short lived. So in the studies that they are often referencing where they injected this sort of the endotoxin yeah. A sort of fake toxin into the system that should provoke an immune response, the people who were like our. Hoffman. The studies not blinded. Those, people didn't get a little kick in the immune system, and so then they take their blood and they go. Yeah. There it is. Your Body did respond but this wasn't a real toxin so we wouldn't expect anybody to get sick consequently nobody did. Yeah. But though I think it had enough components that I think you can expect that there will be a bodily reaction to. Oh. Totally. But very shortly even if you don't know, right that's true. But Yeah. If you injected someone while they were sleeping with that, they'd wake me like Whoa I am I getting chills fever all of a sudden Oh, definitely. Definitely just clarify that. Yeah. Yeah for sure but but you're right about the blinding because the twelve people who were chosen they were very excited because they're like we get to work with Wim Hof but the twelve people weren't shows and all wanted to work with Wim Hof and he promised them hey, will if you participate in the study, I'll do the method with you after the study and he told. So so all of this contributes to them saying, Oh, well, I haven't done it yet co bright. So even if you were quote unquote blinded, you'd be like why haven't been taught top the thing yet. So I'm clearly in the placebo. I'm feeling chills and fever. crummy right now can't wait to meet whim. Yeah I mean and of course, it's not completely clear cut but it does contribute to a little bit of bias, right? So yeah, at the end of the day, does this boost your immune system in any sort of way that's going to help you long term if you have a chronic condition or whatever I if so we don't have any evidence of it yet. That I see and more related to the cold exposure. In that same article, they were talking about how the act of shivering itself also doesn't generate a lot of activity. It's not a good form of exercise by itself. It doesn't buy you a lot and they made a really good point in this too because you know often times when people are talking about the this method they're saying, oh, we'll go shirtless. Always does and I myself went on an eight mile run last night and I was runnin shirtless and I'm doing my Wim Hof breathing feeling. Great. But they were saying you get hot when you exercise anyway and you usually find out you know, Oh, i. didn't need that shirt totally heated up even though it's pretty cold out and I hadn't thought about this next step, which is that well, if your body is heating up, you're not really enjoying any benefits of cold exposure anyway your body's share your warm. Just another factor there but I've always liked running in the cold because of that thermal regulation I'm not worried about over-heating. I'm not sweating profusely totally You know that's why gyms are air conditioned. Right, so So. There's good support for low amounts of cold. You know talking like on the level of sixty two degrees or something like that. But it doesn't seem like the data supports extreme cold exposure for any of these benefits were talking about except for maybe psychological benefits. Oh you know you are teaching yourself. Your limits are higher than you thought and I don't know I think I mentioned this in a previous episode that I do think giving yourself very random challenges just to prove you have the stuff to do it is good for you. Psychologically also doesn't kill you which this might I'm Kerry. Wow you. Know Bumper stickers today. So, people. because. People have gotten really sick doing this and people have died doing this. You're bright. Yes. at least now they're pretty clear about what those parameters are. So don't go by yourself into extremely cold water. Especially, if you're just getting started, you know have a spotter just like you would if you're lifting a super heavyweight same thing around water and driving, we've set at a million times. That's that's how people die. I haven't actually heard of any driving related deaths but definitely, the water don't do the breathing method around water. Well, we're being really clear about that. I'm not so sure that is that clear about it certainly, the APP is and our workshop. But then he's also like it here's me doing it in water abry exactly, and then people are like, oh I can hold my breath now that's amazing I'm holding my breath for three minutes yeah. Let's go do that in the water you don't do it it's k manner you guys it's mckanie manner that's what I'm saying well I'm thinking about that article another thing that they brought up was this idea of training your blood vessels Somehow. Wim Hof seems to allude to this all the time that yeah like. We're training our blood vessels to constrict at the right times and to control our blood flow as far as anyone was concerned in certain way Dr Aaron. Cyprus a researcher at the National Institute, of Health says that there's no data to support the claim that you can train your blood vessels to consciously do anything. Yeah. Yeah. There are a few times that they make the claim that you're able to consciously control something with this method and I keep thinking what do you mean by that because? Okay, I can consciously control my immune response by not eating any vitamin C. That's a conscious decision on my part that will over time affect my immune Rosinante go grab that bottle of pills right or like to not eat anything any fruits or whatever. You know like get scurvy that will affect my immune response and that was a conscious decision on my part. Sure. Yet a bad while widely redefining this conscious control. Yeah. Well, that's my question is like when they say this allows you to consciously. Control. Whenever I'm like, what do you mean by conscious? Do you just mean because you decided to go out in the snow because you're not like you don't go out in the snow and then you suddenly get this superpower where you get to talk to your Auto Nama commune system or you get to tell your white blood cells to activate or whatever the only conscious part is you sign up for a Wim Hof seminar. Right yeah. Yeah and I feel like Wim Hof. Regularly makes these claims that make it sound like, oh I have this absolute fine tuned control over you know the cells of my body. and My blood flow no. Now, there are things that you can do that get measurable noticeable effects. Yeah. That's true. But Yeah I, I think that kind of idea that somehow you get to the state where you just have this amazing fine tuned control over every aspect of your tribal things doesn't come on now come on now you're not Tony Stark. Does that make any sense? The iron man he's Ironman. Mostly, he has external machines that kind of suppler -bility. Okay. Though he did have to build his own energy source to keep his heart beating see is difference makes you got it. We also talked about the alkalinity of the body how as you're doing this breath work? Yes. You do drive up the Ph value which makes you less acidic more basic and one Zach one thing I wasn't sure of or the that really sounded like it could be potentially false to me was this claim that that process would reduce your pain sensation? Oh, right. Yeah. Turns out that does pan out. So you know one of your most common nerve pathways for sending pain signals relies on acidity. In the body. So so there you go. That makes sense to me I know like after you work cow, there's the like vitamin C. reaction that makes you have sore muscles. That's all I need to know to believe this is true. Lactic acid. Yeah. 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O., and that's very similar to the Wim Hof method and there have been people for centuries before who have been you know on mountaintops in the cold breeding this way to generate heat. which by the way we were talking about methods of generating heat. Yes. This breathing method does do that. You're you're exerting a lot of energy A. so he's just kind of built his own particular pacing explanation and the cold exposure thing around this but important to know that and just a yama in general you know breathing control within yoga also. Related to all the concepts in the benefits that we've talked about So just wanted to make sure we discussed that because women breeding not the only player in the game totally that doesn't necessarily mean he's cribbing though he could be also just the concept of mutual creation where we have these features of the human body that we just happened upon Independent of one another then you know it can look like like that the might be he'd done a ton of yoga study over the year. So so I think he just kind of was adapting it and He doesn't try to like trade market or anything like right totally to mow by the way it means inner fire and my dog to me I got his name off of a funkaway calendar I was twenty and. To me is the plural of to mow. That's crazy. So there you go. All comes full circle. That's too much. Very interesting. So yes, fad other studies tell you about. Well, there's a very cool at a to`real from one doctor who took part in a study with Wim Hof about his bat and I just want to read you. I mean, it's it's very glowing sweet editorial about how how cool inhofe is literally figuratively and. He's so charismatic and clearly believes in what he's doing. There's definite good out of it, and then you get to page three almost the end. Okay and I just love this well crafted little paragraph. There is however a string attached to the Wim Hof method. That is the risk that people may think. The method is scientifically valid. Women is a wholehearted speaker, but his scientific vocabulary is gallinaceous. The word I had to look up it means Gobbledegook. With conviction, he mixes in a nonsensical way scientific terms as irrefutable evidence many less scientifically literate people believe what he says and several seriously diseased people have used his methods as the final Straw awhile stories of believers circulate on the Internet in popular magazines and our broadcast it as well. The scientific investigations are often presented with a biased view. So. In practicing the Wim Hof method with a good dose of common sense for instance, not hyperventilating before submerging and water. And without excessive expectations, it doesn't hurt to try although the effects on our health way to be proven people may feel better and feel. Because, one of the points he makes in here is that during the study of him and his twin, even when their actual measurable experience was the same women felt more comfortable. Oh okay because he was used to it and our brains are very very adaptive and they say when you're fine, you're fine and so then your subjective experience becomes much more comfortable. So that could happen to you. Okay. At the same time I'm just now reminded that he does an amazing job at keeping his skin temperature constant when he's doing his breathing and you know his method. So something's happening does something's happening it probably cures cancer he's an extraordinary individual. Yeah. One thing also worth mentioning is after we took the workshop and then this whole Cova situation started his son released a response about covid nineteen and it was very clearly him wanting to do the responsible thing say okay. Well, we've canceled these upcoming events and You know we can't say that the method completely protects you from getting covid but. It always. It always pays to be healthy and to boost your immune system and just to be clear we are not scared. Right does with all these people and they're we are not scared stuff. All of these like new agey people are always talking about how they're not scared. You need to take all these precautions but we're not scared okay it but it was very clear like all right. Well were expected to say this and I didn't WanNa say anything about it. You know everyone sending me messages and wants to know does off method treat covid nineteen financially. He takes a deep breath. No. So anyways. Yeah it was it was very half hearted disclaimer. All right. Well, I, have started using the APP the Wim Hof method. App I think if you just search for Wim Hof, it'll come right up in your APP store or equivalent w. h. m. I think it always shows up as on my phone and Yeah. It's just a handy little way for you to follow along with with you've got it on your. Our guy apply the Wim Hof method daily start and it's a big. A little drawing of Wim Hof in a barrel of ice. Yeah. With two little signs poking out of the ICE. I've taken a screen shot. That's good. Exercises to improve your well being or you're going to start doing this well as you can see I did. Do this three minute exercise and blow your mind. WHOA there shit. Maybe after the podcast because I need my mind yeah. Can need your brain intact but yeah I've been doing this now for twenty days. So I signed up like right as we were starting at these episodes and it's interesting that they're all these different modules and they're geared to help you do these basic. You're breathing exercises. Physical exercises and then the cold exposure stuff. So the main interfaces this explore exercises area everything has this kind of like a blue and seafoam and yellowy Orange Hexagon visual styling to it. All on white and So yeah, you click on these different little modules and so there's different ways to kind of achieve those daily goals, little videos he walks you through stuff he warned not to get near the water he coaches you on each little thing that you're going to do as you do it but then you can get bonus points and achievements for listening to these various challenges or Signing up for like a little side course where you learn some extra stuff. So I've been going to anything with all of those I. I do at one point pay a dollar ninety nine and that unlocked some of the features and there's various things where it tells me like Oh you can't access this unless you sign up for the workshop. So I'm wondering does that mean because we took the workshop? So I need to figure that out because it's there's some things that are still locked but essentially what I do every day is first of all, I start with his guided breathing bubble. Okay. I see that here free for a limited time it says to me, right so I'm using it like I could lose it. So it tells you to sit or lie down in a safe environment essentially just walk you through everything we were doing our workshop, but you've got the dulcet tones of Wim Hof. Sweet telling you to do it. Now I feel guilty starting this I think I can clear my results afterwards because I don't WanNa get credit for breeding I'm not doing just breath just do it okay but or is it really long? It is very long well, I'll start it out anyway. So you can choose which audio elements you want to have the breathing pace the whim voice. The pain and Gong. Okay. The breathing and the background music I always leave them all on their great sounds nice and so cows. Letting. Breezy. With, Flo. Into battle into the digest and let go. Nike We. Make. An. Leading. Just. Keep on going. Whenever, you feel we flags. Losing in the body. Oh. I'm just supposed to start well I keep going. It's not unbearable. Sure. This is why it's not clear. Now I feel great all stop it but now I'm very lightheaded. Yeah it makes you feel high. When he says breathing breathe out, breathe in breathe out because it makes me think of that nineties rock song by Bush Sharon she had read in breathe out breathing free for all of us ninety kids anyway. So it's calming I, like his voice and the cadence and else me keep up with it and so. It's music you feel like you're high and my skin will start getting cold get just these waves of cold flowing over my body and my extremity start tingling just like we experienced in the workshop. So I'll do that, and then after the thirty breaths, he'll have you then hold your breath and I started with kind of a full lung like I would take. And hold it and that Richard's different results, you can definitely hold your breath longer especially if you just kinda slowly leak out air over time when you're starting to feel that pressure. Though. It seems like he's often encouraging you to do that breath hold on the empty state. So you breathe out and if you listen to the audio, that's what he's doing as breathing out and then holding. You so yeah, that is different and apparently the held breath exercises and breathing that activates the Para sympathetic inside the cave system. That's where you've got oxygen whereas when you do all of that with the air lead out, that's the sympathetic nervous system. Okay. Yeah. I'm not sure how backed up that is but I mean it makes an intuitive sense because you're more panicked. Air. Anyway. So yeah, I've been doing those every day and timing myself. So you hold your breath and then you see how long you can hold it, and then you do this for you're supposed to do three or four times sometimes if I'm Phil Lazio only do to. But so far with held breath I've noticed I've been able to get up to two minutes and fifty two seconds of holding. Shit okay I was sunny days. I was impressed with myself. Yeah. I'm impressed with you. I would say, yeah to fifteen to the higher end of like two fifty I can do with the hell breath and then with the breath out I'm lucky to get to two minutes. That's really talk. Yeah and I've read like in Scott, Carney's book he added like an additional kind of advanced thing that I hadn't heard from Wim. Hof. That involves kind of rhythmic clenching of your muscles starting at your feet and working your way up to your body and your head, and that's supposed to kind of help fake your body into going longer. Hasn't really worked for me yet when I've tried it but I think definitely, this is where your mind sets that limit at which you decide. I got a gas for Broadway and so if I can distract myself and think about other things even though Wim Hof is telling you few your body. The More I. Think about the sensation of holding my breath. I'll be surprised when the little gone goes off and says two minutes, oh. Hey. Okay. Nice. Well you've convinced me maybe I'll actually do it. Oh good and I grabbed my son and I said Ere Andrew try this. Let's time you holding your breath. Okay. We did that and it was a little over a minute. I was already impressed. US. But then we tried it again after he did the breathing with me following the up and he got to like one, forty, five Oh. Sweet. He was impressed. That's really interesting. That's the foundation of so many magic tricks used by faith healers where they make you do something once and you don't realize that you're actually practising you've just yeah, limbered up and so now you're more flexible rights which makes you want to change it up and so what I've done is I have regularly time myself before and after and yeah. If I'm not using the breathing method I can get a little over a minute. I'm lucky but with the breathing method yeah, I can hold my breath longer crazy but it works just don't go to the bull. Okay well, should I start today? Do it? Okay absolutely. I been enjoying it. I only take a shower every other day. This is my one of my pro environmentalists commitment. Sure. Even though a hey hit because my haircut suit or a like the world. Well, let me tell you about a couple of other things and I'll get to the shower. Okay. Okay. So another thing that you can do is these various exercises under the breathing basics. PUSHUPS is included, which is kind of interesting. Okay and so I'm a regular push up doer that's just part of my stable of exercises and I can typically do thirty five to forty coupley which is. Pretty good. Yeah and then if I push myself to forty five and if I really pushed myself, I've gotten as far as fifty before i. think that's the most push ups I'd have done before this. So Hof says regularly that using this breathing method will improve your ability to do push ups like seem so crazy easy and maybe he wasn't explaining well or maybe I would just wasn't understanding the explanation but I would like do the breathing stop. Okay. Take a couple of recovery breath and not start doing pushups and be like all right. I'm getting to the same limit and so I would do forty five I would do fifty bill. It's not feeling easier. So. Then when I was reading the Scott Carney book, what doesn't kill us he described it in more detail and he said, okay. So what you do is you go through the whole cycle of thirty breasts. You hold on that last breath flip around and start doing push ups with your breath held. So just hold your breath and that's so weird to like. New? Ships. But after you've done the breathing, you start doing the push ups with your breath held and it took me a couple tries but the second day I did it and all of a sudden like, oh I get it. I see what you're saying and it felt effortless like like I did not feel the strain on my muscles and I just I see myself doing push ups. Okay. I don't feel it because there's like you've activated what's it called opiates or something you know what I'm hard pressed to say exactly which combination of the factors. We've talked about are going on here but I haven't yet let go of my breath just taken in all that oxygen now I'm holding onto it and I'm very purist on I WANNA make sure I'm doing full pushups. You know none of this like Kinda halfway stuff and I can get too close to fifty with my breath held somewhere between forty and fifty before it's like okay I, gotTa take a breath and then after that as soon as I let out the air and I keep doing pushups now, all of a sudden I'm really happy Oh this. But today I set my new record sixty push ups Oh, shit. Yeah. No Way. I could have done that nine thirty eight birthday look at me. Amazing. Living Live. So that was another real effect and I was super impressed. It is. Saying without testing it properly against other people we can't. Well I'm just saying that I was able to what he was describing was very skeptical about it. I I was like, what is this right? Right? I've been trying push ups after this and it's doing nothing. Yeah, wild. It was truly impressive and also it is the exact sort of thing that I think we would get a both answers to if we said Suzuki to hold my breath while do push shops. You. Get like well, I mean, you probably shouldn't. If there's anything that is sort of wrong. No. But also here's an example of fifteen people doing it. Yup. Well, I mean at least this one year going to be on a hopefully surfaced that you're not going to hurt yourself on the worst that can happen. Yeah exactly. Yeah. The worst the okay. That is the worst. But aside from that yeah, you're probably going to stop before you get to the point of passing out or something probably also under exercises, they have a four minute meditation. I've only done that once then under this kind of central section of exercises, there's forward bending and so women off has his own little methods of doing maybe seven to ten short quick deep breaths and then leaning over to an increase your flexibility. Touch your test exactly. Okay. So you get to do that with him. So I do that every day. And I'm limbering up. Definitely I can feel my head getting closer to my knee each time but I think that would happen whether or not I was doing the breeding share but he has his own little explanation out. Here's how you Kinda hold your breath lean over you wiggle into the position. Then you let the air out and sure enough when I let the air out I do feel more of the pain. So so there might be a little something to that Then these just seem kind of silly to me every day I do the reverse balanced. That's where you're just kind of like putting your feet up in the air. Okay I'm looking at that picture and I can't tell, oh, that's the head back there looking up, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I do that sometimes yoga. So. He's just saying, Oh, you're increasing blood flow by having go the Opposite Direction Elaine gravity take blood to your head. Okay. For All the Yoga details out there it is a shoulder stand. Thank you. That's what I've been doing. And then then there's a separate entry for head stand. All difficult. So then I'll go hold ahead Stan sometimes need the wall sometimes. I. Can do it on my own, but I'll do stand for about a minute, and then there's the shelf you've probably seen photos of Wim Hof doing this like the vice documentary about him the thumbnail on Youtube is him balancing where he's just on one hand ex-boyfriend used to do this okay Yeah. So the. Ideas Yeah, you've got your elbow pushed into your body and your just balancing on that hand using the elbow to hold you up and of course, they're teaching you to do it with two hands but I can't even do that yet. Yeah. I've had no success with the shelf. Well, you remember Craig Yeah crag would do that. All the time impressive is very strong. I don't have any achievement points. No badges for the show he would do great at this APP. All right. So I need to work on that, but then you get over to the cold shower, there's videos everywhere of Oh by the way, you'll love the video of the reverse balance because his dog. Dog Or. Dog shows up in many of the videos but the dogs particularly entertaining in that one. What's the dog's name? I? Don't know if he says, rude, he should and I bet someone on the Internet knows all look. Okay. This is really Borton. Lamb stock I'm listening I've been doing the shower section through this twenty day challenge. Okay and so the IT's broken up into weeks and each week has five days. So they're kind of encouraging you to take okay to a couple of days off, and in fact, the APP was like penalizing the at one point saying you've been doing too much stop. Take it easy there fast guy. But. I still did the cold showers. So it starts you out in just fifteen seconds and I like this. They don't try to have you jump into cold water right away. They say start with a warm shower, get the blood flowing than at the very end, turn it to his cold as it will go. This and for whatever reason I thought fifteen seconds. That's nothing I'll do thirty and so I just started doubling every one of them. So I started with I started with thirty seconds achieved my first week and then Second Week was thirty seconds per shower. So I did a minute week three was forty-five seconds and I haven't taken any days off. So I've been doing culture. It's every day since I started out and so now I'm up to week four, which is one minute Aka. Of Cold but once it gets started, it's always this nervous feeling of like oh It's so cold, right but then once you're on it, it's fine. It's that initial shock. Yeah. If anything like I have to make sure I keep kind of moving my body round to get freshly exposed on different parts of my body because otherwise it doesn't even feel that cold you get used to it. So then I'll turn my back. Okay. Now that's called under the arms. Well, that's called. Okay. Yeah. So that's a little bit of that effect that they saw on the study with the two twins right that came up when they were talking about that surfer in the book they were. Saying that David Blaine had come by the Michigan Yeah Okay and he had said Oh I can withstand the ice sitting in a cold bath. Walking by or what? No like he came to visit this guy because he has a well regarded training program. Saying Oh. Yeah. There's no problem like put me in. I can last for you know x number of minutes forty five minutes or something like that. But then what they did was they had the ice moving around the circulating and he had to get out really quickly because that's very different from sitting stationary air in ice for sure. So the movement of the water is definitely a factor, the dog's name Zena Rozina. I. Would remember that this is great because on their website, there's an about page with every person who works for the Wim Hof Institute and their picture, and the last one is just seen a by herself and says. Dog. Inseparable from Williams. Zena all the company's secrets shamelessly exhibits herself on Instagram Oh my God I'm GonNa follow her out the door. So yeah, there's lots of little ways to get into this and little ways to motivate yourself, and of course, at the very end you have all of these badges there forty badges you can earn for achievements and I've just noticed. As I'm earning them that most of them are rare ultra rare and so I think people download this APP and they sign up for him. But some of these basic achievements like the breeding badge only forty five percent of the Wim Hof community has the first badge for doing one basic breathing exercise. Totally believable. This is I think the universal experience with Apps. Download them, and then you forget there and I think sometime tomorrow I'll be earning this the second breathing badge for having done twenty times in a row, and that's listed a super rare twelve percent and the one beyond that for having done it fifty times is only five percent ultra rare and yes. So many of these achievements already, my showering one is listed as only five percent of Wim. Hof. Community has this badge. This is really how to break Ross's and my brain put a number on it and we're like we we do you Do It the twenty days of push-up exercises that four percent ultra rare. Okay. The forward bending only four percent have gotten to the twenty times using. So yeah, I think a lot of people get this APP and they're like I'm going to do off and then they fall off. They whim off they whim off. Yeah. I like it. Thank you. So anyways Yeah. I. Don't know we'll see what comes first either all get sick. All earn. Fifteen badges. Let's say if I get to twenty five badges, I'll call myself done with the Wim Hof method. What will you count as set quote? He just have like a sore throat that's a good question. Yeah I'm not sure what if I feel like our I need to stay in bed I can't get stuff done. Okay. That kind of say. Okay. If in order to stay productive, you have to take a nap of more than one hour. Oh, new hours interesting. Okay. Sure. Okay. That sounds like a reasonable metric. But yet, it hasn't magically made my skin clear up I? Mean I've got the Xm still get some bites recently and they're inflamed. I've little. Yeah. got some skin that's still healing from. A few months back and it hasn't magically cleared up. So you know I. Still I'm still experiencing inflammation. Right, which is bad. And they the cause of all disease eighty percent of Disney. So I'm doing fine but it hasn't like magically increased my energy. All do the cold shower in the morning, but I can still get really tired in the afternoon or even listless some nights. Well, you know what I realized the other day seventy percent of life is work. Yes. We only use ten percent of our brain come and eighty percent of disease is inflammation or on seventy plus ten, his eighty coincidence. Yes. But I like where you're going carry thing. I am a pattern seeking. Using your Noggin for what it's intended for. Math. Well Ross. What would you give the Wim Hof method on a pseudoscience rating where one is something that's not at all pseudoscientific ripe like a you and I share a a huge fraction of our DNA with non human primates cousins. Okay. Yes. That's true. That's true by signs and then ten is some things like ridiculously pseudoscientific right? Like instead we share most of our DNA with coats sperm Oh. No come on nope. Silly co- goodness. Okay. Well, this definitely, you know sometimes we have to talk about how? Okay. Well, we're not talking about literal pseudoscience 'cause no signs claims are being made science claims are being made here. Big Time. Absolutely. Yeah. It's a huge part of this method and you Wim Hof talking points in the appeal of this is scientifically validated look at all the scientists involved So, four that re this is tough. I. I'm having a hard time putting a number on it, but I'm going to say seven. Because there are real effects going on. Yes. Verifiable things impressive things. It's all really cool and some of it's cold but. I. Think it put so much work on someone who really wants to Saas out is scientific and what isn't in this method that you have to do a lot of external reading that just listening to Wim, Hof and some of the other acolytes of this method is GonNa. Throw you in the wrong direction. Yeah. Yeah I think that's right. I was thinking. Seven as well. We're good US look at US everybody I also want to tip our collective hat to Dr Ron Francis. There's a video online Dr Dissect the Wim Hof method. Yeah. So He's an MD training cardiologists who broke down the parts of the went off that he thinks scientific the ones that aren't in the ones that are kind of a in the middle. Video Yeah. Highly recommend and I really liked kind of how he broke it down into like. Well, there are some things that that are almost surely true like short term immune response short-term being very key mental wellbeing. Asthma. Management's probably because you are improving your lung capacity. Then there is possible things like maybe you increase your energy. But how exactly do you quantify that a concentration very possible because you're activating these systems that are for focus, right? Like the Drennan will make you focus right? Arthritis maybe workout recovery maybe and then there's like his no list like there's no evidence to this. Why are they saying though he does say you know it could be true. But right now there's no justification right? Right and for that he has the idea of any long-term effects on the immune system the short term. Yes. But long-term now sports performance. That's a big one FIBROMYALGIA. Relief. CHRONIC LYME DISEASE One day, we'll do an episode on chronic climb, but that's a whole other ball of wax. It's already a controversial diagnosis to begin with Parkinson's. And improvements and creativity. That's an interesting claim Oh. Yeah that is interesting. So yeah, that's a great resource. Also A, he highlights Scott Carney the journalist who wrote that book what doesn't kill us and I'm working on right now he does a pretty good job of breaking down kind of what's legit and what's not and and remains excited about the method itself like with. So many of these things review it's one of those there's there there and then you over blew it. Yeah. Well, what would you give this carry on a trainer value where one is not very good draining like planting a plant in a pot. And watching you grow whereas ten is something very draining like someone sells you some beans that will grow a giant plan. Oh, my God outside. But they sell to you for a whole cow out, but it's going to make a huge plans on my worth et idea carry Okay. So we spent one hundred, twenty dollars each on the seminar, which is your Pretty Pretty Penny but I think they could have done it for more and still gotten just like a boozier clientele And I'm glad they didn't. So I'm going to say still expensive but not ridiculous I'm going to give it a four. Okay. Yeah. I think if you get in belong waiting in line to work with women himself, share people pay lots of money for that but you can also use this APP and maybe give them a dollar ninety nine if you want maybe not and you'll probably lose interest and not. Keep up with that seems to be the case for most people. But yeah, I would say expansiveness is not the barrier here I don't I don't feel like this is a big money making venture. So see I'll say three. Okay. Well, what about on a creepy scale where one is something as sounded all creepy like You come over to my house and Ella poppy runs up and she looks your toes and you give her a little scratch on the head and a ten is something incredibly creepy. So you come over to record the PODCAST and the door opens on its own as you walk in it's just the inside of a human's ribs like you're just walking through a human ribcage with all the intercostal muscles. Yeah. now that I know that and there's just a beating heart in the center Po poll. God Yeah that's at first I was going to say that happens all the time because Kerry will open the door. She'll hide behind it. And then either she'll just want me to be mystified the door opened up on its own you are or elvas face will pop out from the side of the as if l is the one who opened it for me. Say. This is a endlessly entertaining for K.. But yeah, the Hola inside of the ribcage thing very creepy. Yeah. I'm going to say relatively low on this I mean there's just the creeping of running out of breath under Heiss. The hopefully, no. One's going to end up in that situation because that's that's a whim half thing he gets to do that. Yeah. Very little creepy nece scale. I feel like any fear of extreme cold exposure is something other than creepy danger? Yeah. Yeah. Right. So I'll say one point five. Okay interesting. How about you? The, I'd give it one or I mean even zero zero were available has that is the one thing I feel like they don't do it all that separates it a bit from other mystical versions of the same kind of stuff. This is more just like you do this at a gym. They're not like trying to make all that other worldly I'm sure there are versions that are, but it's really more I. Don't know the thing your friend does cross it would do okay. Yeah. A what about a danger rating then where one is something? Not Very dangerous. Stay in bed. Breathe. Normally. Long enough yeah. As ten is something incredibly dangerous you right up into space and you tried to breed they're. Yup can't do it. You just can't tear you guys. No one will even hear you scream true. Okay. This is so tough because they talk out of both sides of their mouth so much about their warnings and But as a result I'm GonNa you know what? I'm going to dig them for that. Yes. So I'm GonNa say eight I think well, yeah A. Yeah. If they were a little more careful about being consistent I would feel like they were more concerned for my safety than covering their own asses but this sort of like, oh no, you shouldn't do it but only if should I feel like that doesn't consider my wellbeing I consider there's in related to that. There's people tossing out their medications and saying Oh. Yeah. Well Cam glad. This is working for you and it sounds like things are going well, but my only hearing, just the Cherry pick stories for the bright happy people for whom this has given positive results, ed yeah it's a mixed bag. Down that medicine with the care of your doctor. Yeah. So there's that and we even heard people at our workshop saying, yeah but I don't like pills. So I'm here to find some alternate way to handle acts and then yeah, these people have died clearly there's warnings in the warnings have cropped up because of people dying but I don't think it's completely stop people from dying because they get this inflated sense of Argon accomplish anything and then they tried to accomplish something that can. do or it's written down on a form, but the actual breathing human being in front of you gives you different impression. I think most people just following the basics of breathing and taking a cold shower rather jumping in a lake or anything we'll be fine. It's good motivation I'm having fun doing it. So I'm going to say six but just knowing that there is some inherent danger they're totally what about on a hot drinks waiting for. One is yes out drinks and zero is no. Thumbs down down. Come on I mean I can't give opposite hot drinks rating to something that has me taking daily cold showers. 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Ross and Carrie Cool Off With Wim Hof (Part 1): Iceman Edition

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Ross and Carrie Cool Off With Wim Hof (Part 1): Iceman Edition

"Hello welcome to Ono Rawson Kerry. The show where we don't just report on science, spirituality and claims of the paranormal. Take Part ourselves yet then the claims. We you don't have to I'm Kerry poppy and I'm Ross Blocher. Hey Kerry. How are you doing and okay? Well Yeah I'm okay. Yeah, I'm excited that it's Max von. Drive us and that we get to finally talk about something. People have been asking us to do for years. This has been a frequent request and something I've really been interested in doing. Though Wim Hof methods Wim. Hof Method Oh my goodness. There's so much to back here and talk about here. Many of you are going to be familiar with this already. We can't wait to tell you more, but I ed specs fund. This is very exciting because I love. MACs fund drive and this year. It started on my birthday Oh hey. Happy Max Birthday Fund drive. That work. 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If I hadn't been told absolutely correct, my first thought was not oh, that must be a person named Wim Hof. Good Point. Yes, so it all started with a man named Wim Hof Aka the ICEMAN. Yes, he's a Dutch man and. His qualification. And we're going to explore in our next three to four episodes what it means to be Dutch. Now this is interesting. Actually. I've tried to look this up a little bit and I. Haven't had success yet. Maybe said something in your book. Okay? I still don't know what he did before. He became an athlete and extreme. Sports Guy Oh. Wow, that's a really good question. You know. Yeah, it's true. He's treated the way you talk about like a monk or something as if they were always in that cave. Yes, born there right Labor had a different name. Okay, so he's got Oh my goodness. There's so many things to say about Wim Hof and his method, but let's try to start where we can. Most of the storytelling begins with in the mid nineties. His wife Oh. I got to cut you off already. I can tell you a little before the midnight. Yeah, okay for sure. Okay this is kind of like Jesus where there's like the story about his birth. That's a big deal in Bethlehem. And then there's one little interlude in the temple when he's twelve and then you don't hear about it until he's thirty, and then he appears in like a way is prepared in the desert for him. You're like. All those years right kind of like Wim, Hof. Okay, what would it be is also what happens if no one was writing these things until much later, right? So Wim Hof was born in the southern Dutch town of Sitar in nineteen, fifty nine. Okay, or so, says this book by Him. I don't know he'd lie about that, but I just feel I need to say my sword Carey is holding the way of the ICEMAN. Yes, by Wim, Hof and Kona Zhong we should spell the to W I M. H F trade at first name last name three letters each. Yeah, you might be tempted to double up any of those letter I keep trying. Keep trying to win huff. Anyway Okay so right off the bat in this book were told he was born in the corridor of the hospital because he is an identical twin. Yes, and when his mother gave birth, she thought she was only giving birth to one child and so I don't know what the heck was going on in this hospital that she's like okay. Baby popped out and getting up and go and. I according to this, she got up and was walking through the hallway when she's like Oh shit. There's somebody else in there, and so gave birth to Wim brother to Andrei shortly after giving birth to Andre, so the doctors had left. She's feeling contraction. She gives birth to him and she was a Catholic, and so she was like praying immediately which I can understand. I might be praying immediately. Yeah, she's like okay. Okay. If this is the second baby, make him healthy and make him grow up to be. A missionary, okay? Maybe she got her wish. I could say anybody's a missionary of something I didn't learn. He was a twin until I'd read about him. Doing all these studies about his extreme temperature was standing and all these other things, and then I find out that he has an identical twin, which is the ideal situation for a scientist. You want to have control. What better control can there be with someone with near identical genetics a- born and raised. Raised in the same household, so yeah, he has a brother named Andre. We'll talk about that later. An identical twin amazing, so he was fascinated by the cold from an early age can. There is a story about him being seven years old, and a neighbor finds him in like asleep in the snow, because he was so attracted to the white snow, and he climbed out of his bed and falls asleep. One of those stories I have to wonder if it's real sure, but it's real. That's the story. More there's like my Go-to is always others a far more boring version of this story? In rough. Stroke sounds similar right right? Yeah, I'm trying to think what that would be in this case, but I'm sure that's right. We found him sleeping outside. There was no nearby to just started to sprinkle. Then his brother Andrei. Went on a sort of spiritual quest to Turkey Iran Pakistan India, and when he came back, when was like Whoa? You're different like you have a real mystique about you now, so he got very similar. Story, because as we all know Jesus, wandered into the East and learned much, and then came back that. I, it's a very. It's a very popular kind of not conspiracy theory, but like people have all these ideas about ooh. Jesus traveled over here, and and if you read this account I think they were describing Jesus okay. I have heard and none of it is confirmed one of those. Of History. Will treat it as fact got it, so he was a real auto died. Act had a strong desire to learn. He mentioned in his own book. He had a strong desire to learn not at an intellectual level, but by experiencing things himself. Okay well, I guess we can affiliate with that because the idea is to immerse yourself in ideas without becoming an expert per. Okay, I think it's a good place to start usually I don't think you WanNa. Stop there, jerk. Has That's how you die is by not taking on all the information that others have absorbed, so you know things like that plant is poison sure? Yeah, depending on what you're doing, and what depth of knowledge is necessary to keep you from dying, so he's looking for a deeper spiritual understanding. He goes to India himself. Okay this. This is all more than I knew. Start Swimming in the Ganges people are like you shouldn't swim and the Ganges. There's a very strong current, and it's not so clean. Don't worry. My mother prayed that I'd be healthy. Kinda. Yeah, he's like. Stop worrying about me. There's a lot of mentioned in these stories about women in his life being like. Hey, it's really worrying me that you're doing this and it'd be like shut up. Stop trying to get throwback. There's like three or four stories that that'd be summarize though. I mean any you life filled with the perilous adventures that he is filled with. We'll have that story line. You'd say yeah, or you find a partner. Who's like all right? There's gotta be some voice in your life. Saying don't do that sure. Then he went to live in a squat in Amsterdam and one thousand, nine, hundred seventy nine. Yeah, you gotTA wonder like. Are you doing anything for work at this point? Yeah I wondering if you work at like a fish, cannery or Schoolteacher. Great specifics. It's like you're doing Improv okay. We're GONNA. Miss Cannery. My name is Kevin. I, just feel like there's gotta be some sorry like that, but those details are always alighted right or sometimes with these ghost stories about someone's past you can insert. My parents were rich. Oh, interesting, okay, or was the a bouncer at a strip club Yup sure. Leave that out my name's Andrew. McCabe. So he goes to Amsterdam and all the other people living in the squat with him, always twenty at this point, all these other people are using LSD in. Joints and eating space cake space cake. That's what I said when I wrote space. Than, I looked it up. apparently, that's a very old term for edibles. Baking Cannabis into your cake. Makes Y'all spacey. He's studying. Yoga he's explained that to anyone who will listen and then one sunny autumn day. He's swimming in a pond in the park. He's soaking wet. He sits down in the sun to dry, and he feels to hands on his back, starting to massage him, and he he closes his eyes. He doesn't even look up. He's like I'm just GonNa, Experience Good I. Don't need to ask where it's coming from right. He felt this strong love. Feeling finally turns around to see WHO's there. And what do you think nobody was there? nope. A woman was there massaging Hem? Oh all right. That's better than what I had in mind. I thought I was being set up for he's. There's no one there those like. Oh, a lady, okay. She made him beam with joy. Her name is Eliah. She was from Spain and he falls deeply in love with her almost immediately. Okay, and they don't have sex for a year because he is to into Yoga. K.. That's the totality of the explanation I got as well okay and then. Losses Thinking about whether he could get that in the yoga. or You. Except that for now. I can read you the exact line. Their platonic relationship was warm and physical. Hoff's life was devoted to yoga, and his Spanish girlfriend respected that for the first year they did not have sex. Okay, so jerry cool so then Eliah gets homesick. She goes home to Spain, but he can't stop thinking about her so. He decides to take a bicycle ride to Senegal a wow. Okay, that's extreme. Yeah, but this is a man of many extremities exactly so that's like twenty eight hundred miles. That's assuming a straight shot and the ability to cross the Strait of Gibraltar, so roughly Los Angeles to New York. That's crazy, but by the end of these episodes you will have forgotten that he bike road to Senegal. The smallest thing I feel like. I can bike ride to him. So he and his brother got on to regular city bikes and ride to Senegal Wim starts discovering other sons really making me happier. Doing all this exercise makes me happier. Would you say that he did this on a whim? It does seem that way. Sunshine made him feel better. Yes, yes, yes, and you know is depressive. Thoughts would disappear as he was riding. Chill makes sense physical exertion. We'll have the effect on many people. So during this journey, he has this deep spiritual experience where he feels like his body and mind become one, and that will stay with him. In sort of become sort of his personal philosophy is the way to connect your body and spirits is through exertion. Okay, this is already interesting. It's adding much more of a backstory and telling me that he was interested in the spiritual pursuits from his early adulthood right, and that was already the prism through which was looking at this income, so then he goes back to India again. What are you doing for money? How? Do you support yourself anyway. Let you off that long. Kevin this time he was going to search for the power of nature, instead of looking for the answers and other people, so he spent several days quote at Great Heights. Guessing that means in mountains come while enduring temperatures of negative two degrees Celsius, which is twenty eight point four degrees, Fahrenheit. Who that's called without food? Okay, it's like he always adds an extra thing like okay. That's pretty intense that you did a full marathon in the Namib Desert, but Oh, you did it without drinking any water, okay? Oh, and then when you're done you hydrated with beer. Okay, and then you did a marathon through the snow, but with no shoes or shirt, okay above the polar circle in Finland. Okay now you're just bragging seventies like I'm going to walk. I'm going to do it seven times why you know what I mean. Yeah, I think it was a half marathon just to clarify the snow, but not to diminish from the accomplishment. I'm not impressed anymore, so he discovered a new way to survive extreme cold. All you have to do is control your breathing. Okay, easy peasy, then you can transform your fear into a form of energy, I kind of identify with this part, because before a performance all get there. Oh, get like the sort of nervous energy at some point I'll think. Oh, this is exactly the same physical feeling as excitement all just think of this as excitement, and then it becomes positively valence. SMART. Thank you. Turn that frown upside down. That's right, so he's still missing Eliah and they've been apart for two years now, but they're still in love so they that last year there was sex. Yeah, boy! Yeah! Guess so I'd ride the bike to Senegal to. So they decided to get married, and then in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, three, they have a son named a nom. E. N., A. H. M.. AINUM and they have two more daughters Isabel and Laura so Eliah now has moved to the. Netherlands Wim Oh. My God hears I miss this the first time I was reading looking for it. We find out what women did. Win Found Work Fish Cannery fish cannery teaching English schoolteacher over. I'll take it. That's interesting and speaking of his auto deduction. He claimed in one interview with the Tim Ferriss that he has taught himself ten languages. Oh! Wow, yeah, in languages, yeah! Right so including English okay, he was an English teacher alright. Hey, thank you filled in the gaps in my knowledge. You're welcome. Okay, so now Williams like pretty happy. Likes loves his family, but he saw a sort of. Angst just needs to get out. There needs to be doing stuff. Yeah, I often referred to how before he became famous for all of these amazing feats of his, he was kind of embarrassing as a dad right because he would show up at school like I'm here to pick you up and he would be barefoot and wearing only shorts. Hold out and like Oh. Yeah, that's my dad. The crazy over there is. Very. Much seems like the person who you tell them. He probably shouldn't do something and he's like now. I absolutely will. Reverse psychology around him constantly. Oh I. Bet you brush your teeth. There's no way L. Wow you. Know. I'm just picturing what a great TV series would be like Kerry and Wim Hof. I hope you leave the door open so my dog out loud you. A good. So one day he keeps okay. He keeps having this like this feeling that he needs to go climbing so one day. He's like I. Know What I'll do. I'll go mountain climbing with only a rope and a hammer jer. And like no, you know if I thought I, will die reminds me of the song, if I had robe I'd climb up. Close in so far really yeah, because that's what you said reminded me. We'll continue fair enough, so he has three kids and a wife, and he's like I'm going to go rock climbing with absolutely no safety belt in and so Eliah is bitch. Wife is like mad for some reason, so there's Eliah was furious that he was willing to risk his life climbing in that way since they had three children drew. Now. Bowl take. Yeah, just having one child I know that pressure to not kill yourself. Yeah, for sure is with three should fill three times. The pressure P should probably. Should I feel like she's getting? Schuyler whited already so all right? You Watch breaking bad so. You don't know that your idea what you're talking about. Fused Watch it. I will think of one of the three Schuyler Sisters Schuyler riders the wife and breaking bad, and she was treated by a lot of people as like this controlling jerk and it's like. Cooking math. She's trying to stop her. Mass Okay. and Peggy so okay fine fine all control my urge to climb by developing breathing technique that allows me to stand or water for six minutes and swim under the ice. That's one way to deal with the old ball and chain. Really showed her. Yeah, that's right. He's set multiple world records. You know he's one of those people like okay. What do we have on file at Guinness? I'm going to beat it. Or. Have you ever timed anyone for doing this? I'm going to set the record. Yeah, so there are multiple you know videos. You can see of him like you said swimming under ice where they have to dig out a hole in the ice, so he can drop down and swim to another whole farther away yet. He held his breath six minutes and twenty seconds, which is amazing, that is now starting to sound like pathology right right, but that I mean that's huge as a human feet. Yeah, that's crazy. That's too long in ice water. At the North Pole that's crazy and there's there's all these other videos and records of him just kind of sitting in ice. Acrylic box and they fill it full of ice and you just sit there for hours now. Thanks, you can do it. I'm okay, so for some reason despite his solution, the tension between Hof and his wife remained interesting. Okay, so interesting, because this is never how the story begins on multiple interviews and profiles that I've seen. Yeah, but yeah, continue does have a co writer here who you know maybe was getting the structure in place of his life story. And you always need to give the fast versions sheriff bulk so one day. Eliah disappears doesn't return for several months. Finally comes back and it says Elias suffered from attacks of rage. And Depression expressed her unhappiness by regularly articulating suicidal impulses. Yeah! He says she refused to seek treatment. Don't know what that means in this context, so the name another son Michael, and shortly after the birth ally leaves again without saying anything. Yes, so then there's we get a few paragraphs him. Explaining you know how hard it was tough, this perner with depression shamsher was eventually. She says listen I want a divorce I'm like not happy in this. In this marriage where you know I'm expressing my needs very clearly, and you're doing things like swimming under is. He says he did not know if she said this. Only for attention, he felt powerless started climbing again to keep from losing himself I. Feel powerless I'm going to go. Do something very physically powerful. Yeah, Oh, yeah, yeah, okay. This is directly from the book one day when half was alone in the mountains. Eliah jumped from the eighth floor of her parents house in Pamplona. Was that Oh man. Okay, because that's that's usually where the origin story kind of begins in most coverage I've seen of this, which is, they won't refer to those kind of marital disputes. They'll just say oh. His wife, suffering from psychological problems and depression and Adam the son he in one interview. He mentioned that she had been told that she had like eleven. Personalities Oh. No right and I was thinking oh multiple personnel at okay. That's a whole other controversial. Yeah, you'll to add to this right in that. She didn't want to take her meds and she eventually killed herself, but they won't talk about this marital. But then apparently like that's what really inspires him in nineteen, ninety-five five to really start asking okay How do how do we deal with depression? And how do we unify the body and the mind and that's what gets him going as a single father of four, but for me. I was wondering well. What did you do before? Then? Yeah, lets what's the ramp up here and to be clear. No one is responsible for someone else taking their own life but I. I think it is telling that like clearly there was some imbalanced in their relationship where one person was expressing their needs, and the other person wasn't hearing that. It sounds like to me a factor. Yeah, it also just reminds me of the stuff. We hear an Alanon I have a couple family members with addiction problems and one of the things you hear is like. Don't keep saving them and I picture this guy like literally swimming under ice and people being like make. We'll get you out. I don't know there's something to that they're. The metaphors are fueled by his actual feats of strength is speaking of him swimming under the water like one of the frequent stories they'll tell about that. Particular test was that he had swum past the hold he was supposed to get back out of, and he's wearing shorts and everything, and just by himself under the ice, and his corneas froze, so yes, and so he couldn't physically see he couldn't feel and it's just all is above him, and there was kind of the sense of okay well. This is what dying feels like Sharon, but he was at peace because he'd been using his breathing methods. He was so physically trained. It wasn't even a big deal, but then he did manage to find his way back emerge, or your team of people kicked at the ice in palm out. Yeah, I think he was able to actually get back to the whole, but. Yeah. It was a dire situation. She's okay, so that brings us to the nineties. Which is where you started. Yeah, Wim Hof man what a guy, so it started out just as him. Doing these stunts performances. There was no method at this point. Now he was kind of professional is showing just what the human body is capable of through his very capable human body, and another one of the things that he did in addition to the ones we mentioned is that he hung by his middle finger between two hot air balloons at fifteen hundred meters, which is almost a mile high god, so then he gets back into the air balloon. Then he climbs to the top of the air balloon because why not? With a Bevy of women who love him below screaming at. Air Balloon. It's so. He's one of those people like our tunneled. Who did the climbing el Cap without any harnesses and the guy who who walked between the Twin Towers on the on the? On wire. You. Maybe you didn't racing. He's still alive. Okay? Who was the guy than that like fell? Lots of people die doing these gas true. Careful out there. A lot of the things were mentioning. Don't do them at home. Let's say but yeah. He would go around and I. Don't know I. I saw one statistic that he had gotten nine Guinness Records, but I saw that he had earned like sixteen world records, oftentimes just beating his own record or someone who'd beaten his, but what whatever it is. Yeah, he's done these. These amazing feats of strength, endurance, cold tolerance, and then at some point he decided. You know what I can teach others to do this. Yes, and so one of his central claims is I'm not that special other anyone could do this That's a hard thing to isolate and make sure you're right about that. Isolate Ice Haley I see what you did there. Good to good and so that sparked the Wim. Hof Method now. I feel like this'll be attention throughout because he's constantly saying that anyone can do what I do, but clearly he is an extraordinary human being I. Don't think he's faking any of this Oh me, neither, so that's not the climb Mike. Because a lot of those things are faked. When people say Oh, I can do this amazing physical feats sometimes. They're walking across the board. Across the water, for example just to make up something hypothetical example of mendacity. I mean truly be unethical. As well would yeah, especially if you're making like health claims with that, so so that's not such a shock. that. Shock, unto all of us. Here so good thing. So, that's not the climb here. He's not. He's not faking that he can do these things, but now he's saying that you too can do these things and trusting. Yet if that should be the expectation. so just putting that out there. Yeah, as we as we move into this. But. Yeah, his Wim. Hof Method has become this huge phenomenon, and that's what we've been hearing about it from so many people like to try this. And you know it's really big with the Joe rogan crowd charity Tim, Ferriss, these people who are all about biohacking, you know we've talked about that. With our posture episode and our Nutro bakes and sweat lodge wearing the mask like the breathing masks for running all of these things. You can do all these amazing things. I can stretch my body to accomplish impossible which I get like. Yeah me too I I totally get that sense and I will come out of an action film or a fast paced movie or something thing like yeah I'm going to get ripped and just like a daily Exim. Why not doing this already and then I'll do it for like three days and be like Oh. That's right. That's why I have so many other things in my life. Yeah Yeah I. think There's there there like there's you kind of teach yourself that you have endurance. And I think there's like a definite psychological effect just by giving yourself sort of a random physical thing to accomplish. I think I think that's real. I do think it's interesting that the people who are so into biohacking at least in my experience and I couldn't give you data to back this up. ten to also not be so into medicine, which I think of medicine as the ultimate biohacking like that I can take a pill at night. That's like okay just GonNa. Keep your tone from flowing out of your brain. Your brain seems to be bad at it done. What yeah, that's. That's amazing. Yeah, I have a headache. My head hurts I. can take this thing it will then my blood in such a way that I don't have that headache anymore, or or and this is not as good. This causes opioid problems, but or I'm just going to tell my brain. You don't send me that message anymore. Right right? Yeah, let's cut out this pain. It's not helping me at the moment. Yeah those are all amazing things as well so this Wim Hof method. It's got three pillars to it and we'll talk about this Brigham Down Nauseam but Bills correct. Breathing. Cold therapy and everyone's like wait. Those are the three things right. Is there something else commitments? Yeah, or Meditation Mind Mindfulness Okay. It's just called commitment in the book I've seen it written that way. It's always kind of defined slightly differently, but those are the basic ideas and I'll just say a front people have died. From following this method. And it's hard to separate the man in the method, but you know the practitioners now will include tons of warnings where they say only do this breathing in safe areas, 'cause. It seems I I think I've found about eight accounts of people who've died even like. Really fit people who tend to do this yoga teachers and stuff who have died usually it's drowning deaths in shallow water. Where they were doing this breathing thing, and then they think they've passed out. Yeah, and which is very common and understandable and yeah, it's it's all happened since like twenty fifteen. There's been a bunch of death, so there's also do that. Yeah, yeah, driving! In in these videos the will be like. Don't do it while in water, or while driving away to maintain consciousness to stay alive, because you will find that gives you a peacefulness, so I could see someone while driving being like oh I'm freaked out. I'm going to do breaths and not so good. They do also at a lot of these seminars. Say Don't do this thing if you have and. And then a long list of conditions and diseases, generally good practice, but it's also speaking out of both sides of your mouth, because he says any human can do this, but then you're eliminating a shit. Ton of humans bright in the book. At least he gives examples of like people with multiple sclerosis, doing it, which is on the list of people who should not do it, so are you telling? Telling me right and for our workshop that we're going to tell you about eventually the disclaimers were. If you're pregnant, if you've experienced epilepsy, if you have any strong like heart conditions, this is probably not for you, and it does say there. You should consult with your doctor before getting involved with Wim Hof especially. If you have any kind of chronic conditions, right, they call that Cya and the. The Legal Biz cover your ass there who go ask covered speaking of which are there was a tweet that he wrote at one point, and it said death is nothing more than a concept. Oh, disagree, Really Super Super Disagree, and that reminded me of Teal Swan, and some of the responsible that she is that I think she said even less responsible things, but still that's a big like. Maybe you're trying to make a specific point, but that's not a good general takeaway phrase. Yeah, that actually be a Christian science. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the illusion of death! anyways yeah Wim Hof. Himself Picture I the guy kind of looks vaguely like an Jeff Bridges. I'm looking at a picture of him. He's usually got kind of scraggly goatee or some formulation face hair, the ranges between beard goatee. He looks to me like Carl. No are scarred. I think is his name. The Guy read the my struggle series. Oh okay yeah, and then he's got kind of a wisp of hair in the front. No one claims Wim. Hof Method is a way to treat balding I've had someone does, but you know he's. He's a rugged looking man, and you see his body all the time because he goes around in shorts constantly and. He's one of those guys you'd look at and you'd be like Oh. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, but. But not muscle bound, so he's obviously he's strong. He's super flexible. You see them all the time. It's like Oh. You need me to put my head down on the ground between my legs. No problem. Yeah, there's that look of like I. Work out a bunch, but I also protein pack, and then there's that look I work out a bunch, and maybe I'm on the more like fasting yoga side. He's definitely type. Be exactly I end so much of this seems to revolve around his personal charisma. 'cause you, you have a lot of people. Talk about like going to even debunk cam or poke holes in this or just see for themselves, but then he wins them over with his own kind of personal philosophy and I feel like there's an element of cult of personality wrapped into. As well. There's a journalist Scott Carney. Who traveled over to kind of do that to say up? What's the deal with this guy? Let's Kinda pick this apart and ended up being a real advocate in writing his own book about half his book. Often the method yeah, is there much good documentation of him. Actually having been skeptical when he left I think from what I've seen so far. He's actually done a pretty good job about separating the things that are a little more fantastical things that are like Oh. This is my life, but he's become a big proponent Gotcha of the method itself. yeah I'd love to read that book anyway so. Yes. 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We've had Wim Hof on our radar for a very long time I've been a visiting his website regularly looking for seminars, there was one in San Jose last year I was tempted to do, and the timing didn't work out and every time I talked to carry. She was saying no. You can do it. That's fine. Yeah, the cold tolerance thing I hate extreme temperatures, and who can blame you I'd rather drink again. Okay. Just. Keep that in mind for how the story unfolds. It's the reverse of hot coal walking essentially. And I think it gets used in kind of the same way where it's this. You know raw can do anything. Look at this I dunked myself in an ice bat. And, so yeah carriers like no. Not into it and reminds me of going to church camp and being the first person who had to get out during polar bearing Oh. Did you guys polar bear? There Yeah Oh man I will admit. This is a hard one for me to build up the gumption for I was also kind of dreading. Slash looking forward to it like. Oh, this sounds like a good challenges is definitely going to push me I. Don't want to do it the idea of like just an is cold shower. Awful, and I also wasn't sure like at these seminars. Are we going to be going into a lake for an hour? Are we going to be subversion ice bath for half an hour? Like what's this going to look like right? But you found one that sounded O., K.. Okay all right, so that's maybe what what helped. Carry turn was actually it was a listener of ours. Molly mcilvaine, who is now a friend of mine well first of all I think. She joined my book club, which is. Is Really Awesome and that way, and she works in animation so anyways Molly's great person, but then she had reached out and said Hey. I've been interested in Wim Hof thing and I think you guys should do it and there's one coming up and I said Oh. I've been interested in that too okay. Let me check with Kerry. And at first I looked at the date, and I was like so crestfallen because I had signed up already that Saturday February twenty-second to work in the elections because. We were doing that. SORTA ten days leading up to the Election Day in Los. Angeles says an extended. For whatever reason early February they, they changed my dates, and they said you know what we just need you to work for dates. That was such a tough election. That's another long story, but anyways. I can do this workshop now and I reached out to carry fully expecting you to say like no, you do it. And you said there was like something recently that he kind of flipped a switch for you where you said I should do this, and maybe it was watching goop. Okay, maybe I don't know but yeah, the first episode of the new goop show. Is them trying the Wim? Hof Method so I had watched to that, and maybe that was it but I just remember you saying it's like a ninety second ice bath. Something like that. It's like. Okay fine I can t I can get in ice for ninety seconds. I Bet I can manage. That sounds achievable, okay. I was I was over. The memory I'll carry is going to do it. Yes, I'm so excited. And so I had no problem plunking down. It was two hundred twenty pounds for the both of us. This is all kind of run out of Europe so the. Los Angeles workshop it came out to two hundred forty dollars and thirty nine cents. US Nice did I pay you for it or was I like you did okay? It seems possible that you had bribed me. Okay which would have been happy to do? It. Yes, Shit I should have played that better, so this is going to be the W. h. m.. Wim Hof Method Fundamentals Workshop Okay and on the official. Wim Hof method website. They had the video. They're kind of showing sort of what previous ones had looked like. It was just kind of collection of clips. This is going to be taught by Michael Christopher Oh. Great Name Christoforo. and. Who looks like Jason Mint Zukas Oh. Yeah, I think I know who you're talking mountain. I. Think I, agree with you. A handsome man talk about him in a bit, so the description is. The expert hands of a certified Wim Hof method instructor to learn the three pillars of the Wim Hof method, breathing, technique, cold, exposure and commitment. To find out how you can utilize oxygen and cold exposure to optimize body and mind and learn about the underlying physiology, these workshops are limited to twenty. Five participants rustled up five fingers to the second power area. And instructors often choose to keep them much smaller. Yes I was like nervous like site. Just this is happening in a couple of weeks, and I just found out. I could do it. Thankfully, there were still spots available, because as far as del up. The intimate quality allows for ample personal attention and feedback tailored to your specific situation whether you're looking to improve mental or physical performance relief symptoms related to an illness or just curious to find out what the Wim Hof method is all about a whm. Workshop offers something for everyone. The program generally kicks off with an introduction to the Wim Hof method always includes a breathing session an optional ice bath. See it was even option. They weren't going to like. Throw you in, but I also wasn't going to pay for all that and then me like all right. In the is. Enjoyed the breathing. Later take one hundred dollars by. At the end there is ample room for reflection and the instructor is there to answer questions throughout the workshop. Instructors have their own specializations, and there is some variation across the individual workshops. A detailed overview of the day is sent out upon registration. If you have no prior experience with cold exposure, we recommend you. Finish your showers cold. In the days. Leading up to the workshop I did that I forgot to do that. Okay Very I. I was really batting a thousand when I showed up his shop, but we'll get there all right This may be overwhelming at first, but just try to relax focus on your breath and bring it into a controlled steady rhythm, and then they give those little warnings about out of precaution we recommend against people who are pregnant epileptic, or have cardiovascular or any other serious health conditions or any other serious health conditions. Check with your doctor. And so many people sure and said all the people. Well I think this will come up as the. You've mentioned this before that. Wim himself will kind of he'll go off until say a lot of wind things. And then he's got people who are good at sort of Oh. Let's take this. That's kind of responsible on. Okay. We want those and so there's a little bit of yeah lots. by Wim half the actually. By his organization and there will be editing. Watch an interview of him with a random podcast. Her and you can hear his actual hop there you go. Yeah, we're will very quickly get metaphysical well. We'll get into all that Then once you've signed up. Then there is. There's an email that sent out from the instructor. Michael Christopher Oh and he writes about how excited he is, and he kind of goes over. What will be doing, so we'll talk about all that, but also there's a liability waiver of course that. That you are supposed to sign and bring to class that says nothing at all is wrong with me ever and if something's wrong with me, it's my fault. That's pretty much it. It's four pages though the first pages the sparks. It's mainly just the title. There's agreement to follow directions assumption of the risks acknowledgement of the various physical risks involved. Yeah, what does it say death it does I assume the risk of and responsibility for any injury, death or property damage resulting from my participation in the activity under the release? Of premises used conducting event for any and all injury, disability, death, or loss or damage to person or property, arising out of my presence. Elsewhere under assumption of risks, it says. That severe injuries, including permanent paralysis or death can occur in sports or activities, involving height or motion Jesus activities, including, but not limited to breath work meditation training routines with Ice Slash code slash heat, physical exercises, pertaining, but not limited to a yoga swimming, running climbing and hiking, and may be caused by terrain facilities temperature, extreme, cold ice baths, weather conditions. It keeps going so so. So. Yeah, you're signing all this away. Just saying I did all this and yeah. That always really frustrates me because we all hear the voice in the room, much louder than the voice on the page, and so it's really that's there to protect them not to protect me and I think that's a real problem of just legalese in general that it certainly puts anyone a stupor. Where you just kind of like Yeah, sure end user license agreement yeah twenty pages. Of course. Yeah! Signed me up for items if you. If you want to see, this turned up to thousands. Watch some videos from mckanie manner to this like a extreme haunted house where people have horrible stories about what happens to them. Yeah and they'll be in there for hours and hours, and you sign away your right to say. Take me out of here soon. People will be screaming at the guy like I'm done I want out and he still won't let them out because they specifically signed something saying even if I say, let me out all my good. And so this this grinning sweet guy is sitting there smiling at you while you're filling it out and saying you really don't want to do this. Are you sure uh? Just overtakes here, you know. Here's the sweet man who couldn't possibly do you harm. Isn't that something wrong with me? That I Kinda WanNa do that now. That sounds really interesting but I will say this. There's a lot of. Drew and I got really into watching McKay me manner videos for and I think specifically were like. Let's not show this to rast. Because they're just endless psoriasis showing up. Anyway. It's in Tennessee and much luck to you goodness. Okay, that's good stretch goal. If, we get ten thousand. Members, also for four thousand. Boy and all I have to go on is what I've heard just now. Yeah, okay well. All right writing it down on the goals list people. said that handedly, this is how we end up flying flat earth banners over conferences anyway. We'll tell you about our goals at the end of this episode. Russ sack Mahaffey so you get there. It was supposed to go from twelve to four I showed up at maybe five four minutes till, and not many people were there yet, and it was just very casual. The Guy you know this motivational music gone on the background, and of course it is at the peak five fitness home of cross fit city of angels tell. Ya Of course across gym is the perfect place. To hold your Wim Hof gathering, so yeah, you walk in out of the they've got their own tiny little parking lot off of one of the major streets down there in Hollywood Santa, Monica or maybe beverly. You get in there, and you see like just so many bars that you do. PULL UPS on sure everywhere you look, and it's really tall ceiling. There's like a rock climbing wall built into this. And I got to say that speaks to how engaging this whole day was that I didn't even try to go over to the rock climbing wall, and there's like those giant, ridiculously fat. Fat Ropes that you can sort of oscillate with your hands. That looks like it would be stupid exercise, but it's actually really. Austin Yeah Yoga Mats Galore. That's one of the things they told you to bring. Yes, question! Did you bring your Yoga Mat I did. Did you bring your waiver? I did signed where you wearing proper footware known a printer footwear. Yeah, I just had. Tennis shoes. Okay Were you there on time? Yes, and how was your head at the time? Fine Okay? It makes it sound like you did not have all those things. I was ten minutes late. I forgot my waiver, which was totally fine. People were just wondering. Ho. That's true I forgot my way. I forgot my Matt. I hadn't done the cold shower. Usually you're on top of a map thing. Yeah, thank you, you're my cold shower is okay the headache? Had walked there in what turned out to be thunder and lightning and rain in sandals. It was crazy thunder that day, super loud. Yeah, really doing a good job. You brought comfy closed. Though, yes, around like yoga clothes thing. Yeah, well there you go. That was on the list and you run a did it, and and you brought your bathing suit. That's true. That's important because you would be needing that. Did you bring a snack? I don't remember okay. That was also on the less well we've. We've covered the list except for the final item, open hearts and optional high-fives. high-fives, okay apples, and to bring those. Yes, so when I got there I had to borrow a mad and say I'm sorry. And you had printed out the waiver for me, and still it was sitting on my couch when I got back. It was just I was a mess. We all have our days and days. We don't have an mine was February twenty-second twenty twenty. Yes, Oh, I got those things from them. They were totally nice about it, they they're like Oh, yeah, we have an extra yoga mat. Yeah and people are setting up. Our friend Molly showed up. A little before you did, so she sat near. Neither is another guy. Right next to me and everybody was really friendly. Nice, we're having little Chitchat conversations and moving our. Matt's to make room for new. People One lady a really cool Matt. It was all the Bright Kunda leany. yeah, it was like an notably awesome man I. Remember that lady if I didn't already owned one I'd be like I need to find that. Yeah, fair it lady if you're listening right to us and tell us where you got your map get, we can't find it. Yeah, we haven't tried, but but still we only want to hear about it from you. We've gotten a brief kind of breakdown of. Of what the schedule would, we'd be learning an intro to the method. Those three pillars mechanics slash physiology breathing. Okay, Oh boy, this is GonNa be dance and the WHM breathing session. Okay, so we're going to do some breath work ourselves take a break, and then we will realize the health benefits of gradual exposure to the cold through a video, an explanation and then have are optional ninety second I. Hell. and. Then we'll warm up until great, so that's what's going to happen. That's what will happen, so we're so excited to tell you about all this, but it took us so much time just to set this up well. Yeah, to tell you the background of Wim Hof. That's important INFO. Yeah, so we've gotten ourselves to the meeting, but we're going to have to hold off for the next episode. Sorry, we're not trying to be coy. We just we have a lot to tell so. We'll be telling you all about this workshop and next week. We'll, start. Start with all all of this breathing information there so much of it and all of the physiological effects. Yes, that win half purports to have all good of course. August, before we go, I want to say thanks again to everyone who has gone out of their way to support us during Max. Fund drive, come Amax member and everyone who became a Max member during other parts of the year. We see you, we honor you. Yeah, we! 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Ross and Carrie Cool Off With Wim Hof (Part 3): Ice Bath Edition

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Ross and Carrie Cool Off With Wim Hof (Part 3): Ice Bath Edition

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We've been trying to keep dog sounds off the podcast. And now we gotta keep cat sounds off to struggle is new and it's real. All right. So last time we left you on a hanger. It's the best I can do because we were about to start our breathing exercises with Michael Christopher, our workshop instructor, and if you haven't heard us talking about Wim Hof and his method that's right Wim Hof is a person you might want to go back and listen to the first two episodes. All right. So we're in our cross fit Jim, we've learned the basics, Michael's Thomas everything, but now it's It's time to put this into practice and use those yoga mats that we brought in Yes. The Yoga mats that we brought with sense right repairs. Your were so yeah, he's been telling us a little bit about how this is GonNa work. But yeah, time to actually start getting comfortable and and lay down yet. We talked about how this breathing is going to be kind of like rapidly in. And not fully out, but then rapidly and fully in. It's like. Very intentional breathand lazy breath out, right. Exactly. So the idea is to build up store of oxygen and drive your co two levels very low, which we know from experience can make you high right. Felt, so similar to our Torbert breath work. And, breath of life at Arrhythmia break, and I'd say the only difference is the duration and kind of the pacing I feel like the actual structure of the breathing is slightly different in each of these But it might be a little bit of the same effect repackaged and I think the holiday traffic breathing people have taken it to eleven right, and occasionally you'll see someone in a forum or writing about it, talk about getting visions, rooms and aiding and. Yes that certainly can happen. Again the idea is we are breeding. into our bellies and then there's kind of this wave. So you feel that chamber you think of it as chamber number one, and then it goes into chamber number two, which is the chest, and then he'll even mentioned belly chest head and the idea is that you visualize it. It's going back even into the head as he hastens to say, obviously, there's no air pathway directly to the head cut that mental image helps you to kind of why are you holding your breath waiting for the next direction? Okay. exhale. Inhale. I can. Just waiting. So I was just doing it. As you said, is to keep my co host alive. Of rely on the autonomic nervous system, carry another thing he points out in. All of this is that as you're lowering the CO two which is acidic and raising the oxygen, you are becoming more alkaline and right. Wim. Hof. Mentioned that a lot in were out colliding the blood. Alkaline, which immediately raises red flags for me. Definitely feel like one of those buzzwords that's very popular right now. Oh, cool. You said toxin can. Feel feels particularly of the like twenty fifteen's through now. Apparently, this is a thing. So as you do this breath work, it is measurable and has been measured in these studies where I think like the Ph balanced goes from an average standard of this. Is Me just recalling something? I read a long time ago by like seven point three seven, it goes up to seven point six, seven or something like that. So yes, it does become more al.. Al Kaline is that good right? What does that mean? And it's for the duration of when you're doing this breathing. Your body goes back into stasis afterward because that's what bodies do balance these things and lender why alkaline is supposed to be better at some point, we want to do something about alkaline water because that's a whole. Yeah. Where they make these same claims, I, think it really comes down to acid is bad. Let's get more basic. Ross isn't saying acid is bad. But like that's the impression people have because yet, you hear about like a lie being acidic anything. Okay. That each through human flesh. So I'm not supposed to have acid boat there. Plenty of acids we need and substances that are very much on the extreme opposite end. Bleach, and Lye, lies base also can harm you. Yeah. Yeah. They break up here, I. ONIC bonds. So it's a good thing that we exist somewhere in the middle. So yeah, we'll have to revisit this but um take it with a grain of salt. Don't email us. So, you tell us to find our natural rhythm and as I was writing that down I spelled rhythm without an H. Ruins me. Oh. No. That's funny. I use this APP called elevate that gives me these daily exercises doing mental math and spelling and all kinds of things, but they'll constantly deliver the same words misspelled so that you can correct them and I think Oh. Wow. This helping me because. Getting exposure to the wrong spell, right? Yeah, and so maybe it'll make me even more hesitant when I'm actually trying to spell it correctly. Yeah. I, know what you mean about rhythm, and now I really have to stop and when I'm writing the word. Rhythm? Just, think about it. Okay. That's right. They took out. The H. can't want the age I have been learning Spanish, and I'm just starting to have the experience of it like dropping into my automatic minds. which is very cool. But the result is I'll be speaking someone and I will just think I'm talking in English, right? Yes. Talking in English and I have nearly completely replaced the word dishwasher with love he us and now a look at the dishwasher and think like good as hell drew, we need to empty the dishwasher inch empty, the Lavar, he. What do we call that? What do we call because it's such a good word. He US and German. It's a sheer spoiler. Wow, that's a lot say, yeah. Well, know does your well I mean, that's kind of an encouraging sign. Yeah, share. That's cool. Okay, yeah. He saying so many things at this point as we're getting ready to start the breathing and he's really encouraging. If everybody like anything, you ask he's like one thousand percent. Yes. Absolutely. You're right about that. Carry Aha. Then I go into this mental picture like a little by plane flying toward the ground spiraling 'cause I'm busy thinking. Okay. Thousand percent while obviously the that doesn't mean anything. But when he says that though it is very encouraging, you know what I think. It does communicate a little extra. It's like breathing into your head, right. But now I've opened up for can there be three, thousand percent is that. One hundred percent should I feel disappointed? This inflationary language. Well, you told her thousand percent. So yeah, just give me one hundred. That's only everything. So we did our first round breathing together was three minutes and he said you WanNa do that three to four times a day. So that'd be nine minutes total, but you can break them up into little sessions if you prefer the gas much later. But yes, he's also talking about how we may get into a meditative state and how some kind of treated akin to an out of body experience, and then he mentioned like getting your frequency of higher level I was like. What is this frequency? He mentioned that a couple of times? I don't think there's much. We can quantify about that. This is one of those things here a lot with like especially the new age of crowd changing your frequency, and if you ask what that means, usually you'll get this sort of like. Well, we don't literally mean CEO squeezed twist use something else. Yeah. Yeah I don't know it doesn't resonate with me at that. He talks about this got passed me, but he talked about studies where we go from like Beta two Alpha Theta. I don't know if you talking about waves or something, but I think he was trying to ground that frequency talking some sort of like Alpha brainwaves. Yeah, right. Okay. He was trying to make that connection but. Well. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. In a certain way. He said it's normal to get lightheaded to experience tingling, which is good because I'm GonNa feel both of those. Did you get lightheaded and our tinguely tinguely definitely lightheaded I. Guess. I. Don't really experience lightheadedness as such unless I'm standing. Okay. If I'm light headed but lying down, I'm not sure I would identify that as lightheaded Gotcha Okay Yeah I, do get that just sort of like. A Dream -I kind of floating on her feeling to me. It feels like it's a cousin, do a headache where like, oh, this could turn into a headache but oh, I know where it came from Columbia doing breathing. So. That's me being lightheaded. Interesting. Okay. And he said this is all natural 'cause were tinkering with the gas exchanges in the body. Sure. And we are sure are Oh young that the mentioned that whole animals not controlling their breathing? Yeah, and a listener brought up that horses. Do this thing called cribbing. Yeah. I saw horses do this when I was a kid I had forgotten about it. You said it's like when they have a lot of energy to. Clamp their teeth onto something above them, and then do this kind of rapid breathing. Well, the ones who I saw. Do it. We're usually horses that weren't well taken care of and didn't get out enough. So yeah, they had all this pantothenic. Pace and stuff, and then would grab the bar of their stall with their mouth. Do this. It's very hard to describe. But like carries kind of like rotating her head into a weird angle. They'd clench their teeth on the bars is hard as they could, and then ranch their neck in a way that looks painful to a human like wrench their next to the side and then pull back in. and. Then Kinda suck in air. I. Mean. It was really disturbing. No I remember the owner of the bar and like having to explain it to kids like, oh? This is just some of the animals do this. That's the stuff of nightmares. Yeah. They were doing it at night and they were a female. Correct. Yes. So this listener was pointing out and I think we also got an email to the same effect that that is actually a self medicating they're getting high, and that makes sense to me because. Livestock Yeah Yeah. But there are probably some who just do it because you know they find a joint and your dad's cabinet. Who knows maybe they do it in the wild. I always think that when I hear about save other apes eating fermented fruit and getting drunk off of it like, Oh, they enjoy a good drink too, right. Right. Just like us. So there we go another. Another humans only category smackdown trying to think of this last time I had to look this up. There's a story that Plato when he was trying to kind of advances, perfect categories of how you define things. How can we define humans? Well, their bipedal, but then he thought, okay, well, birds don't count. So they featherless bipeds that was kind of his belly stop to their definition. I thought we were. GonNa. This is gonNA. Be like a lesson in how he had keeping like Oh wait? No. So then diogenes the cynic came in with a plucked chicken and put it. Down on the ground and said, there's Plato's man, and so he had to think about that and redefined the human as featherless flat nailed. By ped-. LEHTO. Plato had some good ideas and some real shit ideas. So you know you gotta start somewhere. Right? You know what? We all have some good ideas and some shit idea. Quote me. All right. Did he play Doh this genuine question? Do you think they actually intentionally named it? After Plato to make it sound just a little more just the Malacca Fund Pun is like an early baby Einstein. That's a good question. Yeah. We need to know they. Definitely I feel like now, most of the people when they first run into, Plato you learn like Oh. There's a guy because I think of Plato. That in kindergarten. Yeah. It was really learn at the other way, but I wonder if it was originally puns question, let's just kind of like win Pluto. The planet was demoted Neil degrasse Tyson was saying that probably a lot of that angst has to do with. It. Being kind of an underdog and like the smallest of the planet talk. But also right because there's a Disney character, the dog and everybody crawl. Well, Hey, on Pluto. Out on the dog? Exactly. So there we go. We've gotten to the bottom of Plato and Pluto, also us we might get cold. So perfectly, okay to grab a blanket. You're going to get called in this part of bad news coming. Exactly. I was like, well, don't you just have to kind of person up and deal with it? There's going to be more colder that came from right. The whole idea of this method is we become semi impervious, but he said that he often does that can be like a nice comfy thing for him to do his breathing exercises and bundle up in a blanket and his roommate will come and be like what's going on Dude Vic just do more breathing. Yeah, I did it without A. I think someone tried to hand me one and that was like I'm okay. I can't remember if I use the blanket or not i. don't think so. and. He connects all of this to the ancients. He says that the ancients understood Parana and life energy and that it was all connected to the breath. So. He's looping that idea they understood. Name them, Sir I want names, and you said kind of the idea is to bring down your number of breaths per second, even recommended like counting them out so that it's four to six seconds that you inhale, and then you exhale slightly longer like six to seven seconds. So this one's totally different than the first kinds. Right. When we first started out, he didn't have us doing it quite as aggressively at first, it was just getting used to serve the process and the order without having timing be so rigid and he had some music and it was kind of like this little hopeful piano music where you picture like just one person kind of plinking on. Individuals that at a time. was like the dum dum dum dum content doon to like it's waiting for something. Expectant. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Domestic Okay. So we breed like you said in the nose out the mouth. And so he wanted us to picture that air just moving around the building. That was another thing he kept saying is like. Breathing says a lot as a circle, and then again I start to picture that and got. Whether you're breathing in through your nose or out of your mouth is still going through the same passage way. That's really just back and forth. It's not a circle. So I take from that that that means in. This is very similar to holly trouble breathing that I'm eliminating that inbetween parts where I'm like holding, you know we breathe in and without theme out of we hold for a SEC. Brian Lee released. The pacing is circular rather than. A. CRIMP in that yeah. Okay. That's that's how I think that that makes sense. Okay. I was just thinking of it as an exercise to just picture the air kind of moving in a circle I, like your explanation. So. Then we're supposed to picture that breath moving in the nose up to the head down the back of the head into the neck. The back of the spines was very much like a meditation exercise relaxed. Talking about it now down to your legs, the backs of your legs to the bottoms of our fee, the tops of our Nice backup to your throat. Just picture the air moving unblocked unchallenged. Give all your weight to the floor or the chair your sitting in just feel any points of pressure and moved the air into those points. It's funny. They died. We don't you. Were getting. Live please do as Hamilton say stay. Ella. Five. Oh? Yeah. That's the only association I had with that phrase and it. That's stay in alive. Thank you. Oh my gosh. If someone's last name is alive or if you live, you gotTa have a son. Call him stay in. Okay. No. Last names I've perfect. Okay. For someone. I've stay first name. And L. Live. Okay. That's also good for a gravestone outside the haunted mansion at Disney. Definitely. Definitely. Yes. So we are cycling the breath through. We're not forcing it. We feel gratitude. That was another thing that he mentioned feel gratitude as you breathe in which I'm all for that sounds great. Said creation stems from gratitude. Okay. That's the sort of thing that would send my mind reeling. What does that mean creations? Is that just deep at ease? That's Deepak. Chopra. Why are you still talking because I'm gone now? In a meditative state of some sort, he said, feel your heart expand with each inhalation. Oh No, and then we feel gratitude with inhale and then he said exhale and let that gratitude go and I'm thinking like Oh. No, I. I like the credited, but he had a very good way of following that up. He said, share it with the war and. I see what you did there, and I'm grateful for it and now. Some plants. and. Then he said Yeah and then just let it go and let it go a lot and of course, that brings a musical cue to mine. In, fact I knew I was coming for a cold bath workshop, and so I was wearing my frozen to show. Nice. Water has memory you know. I actually still haven't seen present to. Really. Yeah, you're Disney plus. What are you doing? Well thank you for asking. I've been watching all the Disney classics with Jew. That's right. Jude, how far are you into your series? Well, so I thought we'd start at the beginning and keep going, but it's huge. But Jude is a very sweet and delicate flower, and so as we were climbing through, you know Bambi and such, she was like. Can we be popcorn around to like the happy one? So, even going back and forth, we do like a serious old one and then a happy modern. Okay. I'm GONNA, just go back and forth. Okay. Yeah Carey is providing a public service. Well, a very private service for jude because Judah never seen any of the Disney animation films. So she said, but it turned out that's She had seen as she just didn't know they were Disney movies. Mostly. Ross Blocher works frozen. Yeah. See, Topi. No. Okay. Well, she she had seen some anyway. So I was ready for letting it. Go 'cause I had my. Let it go. Low. ONS, added a lull gets I. was just trying to Zag on you. Oh, mother L. Song. What are you doing? Oh. Anyway. Yeah. Where are we? We're still lying on our backs getting comfortable. He's just kind of coaching us through kind of this premeditation. It was premeditated before we we start the actual breathing. Another thing he said that Roh stood out to me. As he said, I, think, we meaning kind of the Wim? Hof Organization, if you will bring a lot of a Wu to reality. Oh. Yeah. He mentioned there's all this woo science out there. I think his way of thinking of it was there's a lot of things that sound kind of fringing crazy kind of locked down to the evidence. Exactly we're. tactile ways to make them become more real. That's interesting. That can be noble pursuit or a not. So Noble Pursuit, right? Yeah. You just I think need to be really disciplined about making sure that you stick with the evidence, your methodology, you don't WanNa start with the conclusion. You WanNa get to and then work backwards. But sometimes I can be a useful communication strategy when you're talking to someone with a deeply embedded belief. So to provide a bridge to bring. BRING THEM BACK? Yeah. Exactly. Oh, you value evidence right Oh. We can find a way to combine those right right and are wonder at the mystery of the universe with evidence and thinking of like talking to people who aren't in vaccines. But you know are like we should make by Kid Gobi around this kid who has chickenpox. So they get it and they devote community. Okay. That's actually not GLUCO framework now. Yeah, exactly. Okay. So I have a similar idea. Here me out. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. The next thing out of his mouth after that was the universe has our back connect to that source. It was then that it carried us a little bit of Wu there. He also told us that the breathing would jack up our Adrenalin and then the ice bath won't be such a shock a right? Yes. Especially, if we do more rapid breathing, right, this sounds definitely possible That's kind of what adrenaline does for you. kind of stimulate that. Absolutely, let's see I also. Mentioned, oh. Yeah. Think of fire, what is fire? Need would oxygen oxygen. So, just think of our inner fire, we're feeding with the oxygen. Oh, okay. I see he's got all these fun little like Mental Shins that we can sorta insert wherever they inspire us as we're doing this. So then we did it, we started breathing hand on our bellies to. Remind us to. Breathe in I there and then the chest then. So we did that very slowly, not quite at the Wim. Hof. Pace, we did it thirty times, and then at the very end of that thirtieth breath you Kinda hold your breath there at the bottom of that breath, you don't take again you just. And then you realize war and I'm just sitting here and I'm tingling and the tingling worked for me right away like, yeah, we do that I start feeling my lips, I, they get tinguely after a couple brats crazy. I can even just call that feeling fine if I think about it a little bed. Oh, interesting. Yeah, and then definitely my extremities I'll fill in my hands, my toes. They'll just start got a limb that's gone to sleep in his reawaken You know your blood gets slower. It's GonNa. Let go those parts. It needs the least. Heart brain and I think breath work is the right phrase because it does feel like work. Oh Yeah. Normally I would say when we breathe. We're breathing what seventy percent of our full capacity like we're not forcing it, but doing that extra. I'm completely filling up all my cavities than. And doing that continuously I like i. feel like sensitive around the nose and I start to feel like white headedness a little bit and like you really have to focus to make yourself do that. Yeah. I think your body just wants to go back into I'm just casually breathing like I do. Right right, and then if you start to get that sort of buzzy out of body almost feeling, it can be harder to keep your executive functions engaged. Because he, her kind of not there, right? Yeah. I would just periodically like money doing it in. Do. You know all told we did this for like an hour. Thirty five minutes. Okay. We'll. would. There was a break for us to go to the bathroom and everything? Gotcha. So yeah, I I did also kind of treated as two sessions, but we were doing breath work for a long time. And usually, like you said, he says to do like three or four times a day. That's what went off always says where you do thirty to forty breaths read to four times, but he had us do I. Think it was always thirty breaths. I. Count Up later, it was six, and then there was kind of a seventh sort of just free on your own time. So that's that's a lot knowing that we did that six or seven times without fainting. I mean, that's kind of impressive to me. But like you said, executive function was going in my brain was going off for loops like a meditation session. Can you faint on your back though Oh? That's a good question. I mean I. Don't think I. Could I think we basically have fainted in that state, but like just already. Void Pie in recovery in our brains is kind of milling about slowing lost track of time like have. You tried to stand up I? Think he'd be like. That's a good point. Okay. Well, whim of always mentions Cassius to remind you not to do this driving or. Anything he'll say do it lying down or sitting on a couch or something? So I need to try doing this on a couch, maybe I can make myself. Great. It's good to have a goal who. WanNa. Know my limits. So that was it. We were there for a long time and he would lead us through these sessions. I think after the first one, we all just Kinda got up. Lays. -Ly get his seated position, no hurry and. If we have questions. Yes. You had a question. Yes. Was Okay to hold my breath longer and he said, totally I can't remember exactly. What might experience was that made me want to do that. But I was kind of confused about the exact directions, right? Think you were also asking about how like as you exhale, there's extre air and you felt like it was creeping. Creeping up. Yeah. So if you breathe out half way which you're kind of instructed to do here, but then you're not breathing in immediately in some of these exercises, my balloon still empties on its own a little bit if you will. So it's like I breathe in that takes all that force breath out with much less force. But now just like my body wants to. Right right. Right for reinforce, right, and so am I supposed to stop? Matter to I. Let it do that and yeah. He just kind of said like do whatever you want. Whatever feels comfortable. Noncommittal answer. Yeah. It was kind of like great. Yeah. Thousand percent, right? Yeah. But how do I maximize what you want me to do? Yes. I did kind of feel a little less clear on what I was supposed to be doing but. But I was getting some effect or for your I asked him a question because I was also trying to distinguish this from the tropic breath work and I was asking him. Okay. So is there any pause between the breaths because I know like one thing that you do with all the terrific breath gets to just get rid of that pause. So conflict constantly. Him Out in outback exhausting, and he said I'll just a little pregnant pause is fine. Just. Give it a moment, but you know keep small But yeah, overall his kind of at least at this stage, his message everybody was like Dad Oh, force it comfortable. He also said that we hold our trauma in our bodies and that we hold these traumas to. So. Actual. And some peop-. He said some people remember something suddenly while doing the breathing and they're able to let that stuff go. This is the kind of thing where I'm like Oh wait hang on hang on. So distracted by the sort of thing because you could be talking about like quote, unquote repressed memory and oh. No, this is a very complicated issue. We don't WANNA just laying off as if as if there's nothing to be discussed here, it's actually much more complex than that. But yeah, it sounded very vessel Vander cokie to me Oh. I don't know who that is. Yeah. I. Don't know why I named drops that name like anyone listening to this show that name, but he's like a memory researcher who he wrote, the body keeps the score, which is this argument that like you can find your old memories and Traumas by looking at the physical problems in your body thrown. We talked about it on reading glasses, 'cause. Brea was currently reading it. Very cool. So the second meditation this time, he changed the music and it was kind of Indian music and a little more fast paced and active called the mind more like action scenes for me. But again, very conducive to kind of like an holographic breath work, just letting your brain sort of run off 'cause I. Think the music was also super important to the holiday trump. They'd play this kind of more intense, almost house music through a year. Iowa Oscar experience. Totally. Music absolutely totally, and then you're visuals get tied to it. So this was focused less on that hallucinatory piece, but still I think that music kind of changed the feeling of the subsequent breathing sessions. Yeah. I asked a question after the second one because they were saying like, Oh, this is great to do when you wake up, do these breathing exercise and I was thinking. Well, I feel like super relax now. I was thinking I. would use it before bed, and of course, he's like, yeah, thousand percent. This is great before bed. It's a great way to Kinda wind down. That must not be jacking up your Adrenalin. Then it's confusing. Yeah, and now that I've seen more wim Hof I, know there is kind of like the fast version that you do before certain things. Right. That's the adrenaline jacker whereas the kind of slow meditative breathing that we were doing was the put quote down regulator. Okay Yeah I could've used more delineation. During this, a Michael also mentioned that the Whim Hof Institute is bringing the method to the VA veterans ovarian and bring it to vets, and he said some of them are going off their pain and psych meds. Up to them. But Eh, that's Not, definitely, good breath. That can't be unilaterally good. Yeah. Exactly. That's exactly a woman next to me said that when she was doing it, she felt pain. Then pins and needles than a huge emotion that made her cry. Oh. Yeah. All during this breathing. Yeah, and then the guy next to me said, yeah, yeah. Exactly. 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Nine twelve minutes a day to get even a hint of that. Worth it. Yeah. He was really sold to go. So now we were about to take a break and how long should that break be seven minutes five now ten? Oh, seven, oh. That's right. He bargained with himself as cute and he did remind, US, listen the ice bath is optional. Not Feel right now. No. Big Deal. No pressure in any of this. Yeah, which I gotta say consistent for the whole Wynhoff troposphere. If you ever feel uncomfortable like when Wim Hof is doing his breathing things, we'll talk about that. Later. You know he says any point, you feel uncomfortable, just go back to normal breathing. And it's kind of that underlying sentiment like got hurt yourself don't let yourself too much. Right. Oh. That's good. Yeah. I. Wonder If you already out on the ice and you stop doing happens I, assume that's only prep advice. Yeah. Because I don't think given how you can be prone to fainting certainly, don't want to do this kind of breathing in the water, but I'm always a little confused about the disconnect between these breathing exercises and what you do in the water. Which is where they just want you to slow down your breathing, but we're. Talking about, we needed more delineation of this is breathing type A.. B.. C.. You can push yourself to human extremes but take it easy. Right. Because don't to. US. Right. So yeah, at this point, we all go for our breaks. We grab some snacks. One guy was like, can I go I go? Yeah, he. Broke. He was calling shotgun on this whole thing like Oh. Nice. Job Buddy. So you got to go first. Yeah. Guys. Probably already been McKay manner. This is one of those situations where like if no one was speaking up, I'd be like, okay, me I'll like if anybody else shows interest always share Chernobyl, the enthusiasm is there. You can have it. So we changed into our bathing suits one at a time in little tiny one person bathrooms. Yeah. And you and me and molly chatted about our experiences for a while we agreed that it was very much like holiday Rubik breath work. Yeah. I think, molly was having very similar reaction to all of this as we were. Then there was a video that they wanted to show us. Yeah, and it was just think. Think to get us into this mode of you're GonNa, go do the cold stuff showing us brain over body Michigan study that Wim Hof had done right where he had to wear a cold suits Y-. They had this clever suit that they built just for doing this where essential bid pump in freshly cold water on the suit that he was wearing. So yeah, he would always beginning a fresh influx sounds painful right, and then they would at the same time be measuring his internal temperature and I may be conflating this with another study I heard about one of his ted talks, but they would even have him swallow a thermometer that would can sit in his gut and then. Give out his temperature. So they could live monitor is. Temperature. Yeah. ooh, and now there's a homing device inside of him. That's right. They have you all time with five G.. They didn't mention that in the video, but just know that's one of the things they've done, which is kind of crazy. They would measure his skin temperature as well, and so apparently when he didn't use his breath work than his skin reacted like everybody else he got cold and and then when he started doing the breathing, then he completely counteracted it. He had glucose pumping heat and do his body. He had thirty four degrees. Skin temperature that Celsius? No matter. What. So that was the amazing thing. They have these little graphs that they show like look. Here's everybody in here, Wim Hof with his breathing thing, but look when he starts breathing now. Now, his temperatures stays rock-solid, and once again, if he saying that anyone can do this. Why do we keep testing him? Right? Right. This is kind of the case study, which is interesting. Right. But of this kind of out liar right versus cool to start there. But we're like thirty years into the stewed. Yeah. It's kind of interesting thing where he is always more than willing to subject himself to observation, which is cool. Yeah. But at the same suggests honesty, right. But then at the same time, he'll use that imprimature. And Oh, they tested me and then he'll go on to say things a little extra. What? Supports in our next episode will be going over some of that science. Some of the existing study stay tuned for that. Do I just used my finger to keep my paper notebook from going to sleep I? Went like this. Sure. It didn't fall asleep I'm that acclimated to computers well. Still words are still there I can see. I. Do that kind of thing all the time. Yeah. There was also a funny video in this video is very well produced, cute. Little video. They also talked about the Perry Aqueduct Gray area. That means, yeah. Boy I guess it releases endorphins. Right. Yeah. Yeah. This was the Wayne State University School of Medicine Study perhaps I mean, this is all kind of flying by US taking notes as fast as we could. But I wrote down that by description, it didn't sound like it could have been a blinded study, even a single blinded study ups hard to do when you're measuring cold resistance chair. Just. Tell people like you're very cold right now think called thoughts. But with the method, you could be testing the breeding part. I wrote that there was a hilarious moment with women others dancing on Ice Nice I, bet it was hilarious. Oh, yeah. Okay. I wrote crazy clip of women and students dancing crazy in the smell. Or. Two takes on that this is also when Michael Mentions that women got stuck under the ice that one time in his retinas frozen. He got blinds. You'll twenty sometimes these retinas. Sometimes, he says corneas, but Cortez makes more sense, right? And, that people have to pull them out of the ICE. Bright. He almost died. Stop It. He said he saw angels oof okay. So we've got our swimsuits on. We've done a much breathing. So then carry comes up to me and she says, I think we should get in the ice together. Was this my idea? Yes. Nice. Those thinking Oh. Okay. I was Kinda picturing US doing it several car shorelines farm. I don't know why sound like. Jimmy Stewart. Asking Christopher. Walken. into law by myself, that's how I pictured it. anyways. Okay. All right. Let's do it. So then we get some very quick instructions on this. So okay. We've been there what an hour and a half two hours. Of like learning this other breathing technique that now we will not use. Now, we'll get like two minutes explanation of the central piece of this class. How these connected yet, they're not there It's really two separate things you have your breath work, and then you have your cold tolerance and the cold tolerance does have special breeding involved. So this is confusing and this. This occurred to me as well. You learn that you can hold your breath longer. They didn't really emphasize that in this session, but it certainly comes up later. But after you do this breathing thing, you can hold your breath for a really long time. So you immediately think, Oh, I know the best way to test this I'm GonNa, go underwater and hold my breath. But. Maybe not great combined with his breeding where you could possibly think. Yes, I agree. So that's another one of these things like Oh. Okay. But you're right. It's a totally different type of. Yeah completely different. So we get these very quick instructions. Okay. You're going to go into the ice on an hail. You're going sink up to your shoulders. Elongate your ex hails until you have control of your breathing and then stay breathe into your ribs and then. The hell down. So that breathing down and then we'll warm up. What would you're right? Yeah. Okay. So we just practice for over an hour this breathing technique and we are not using this for the cold. Yeah. But even saying something like that would have been helpful because you're still going like, okay. Wait, and what am I using from what we just did? Am I, I must be doing something with it. You know could have been clearer. Yeah. But before we get in that ice bath. What you can do to make this world better vote though. Yes. Please if you have the right to vote exercise it. Yeah, it's a right. Not a privilege. 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We're all right on top of other, but as you're walking in even in the morning, they had this big blue inflatable pool Okay. So you had seen it. Yeah. I walked in the other way. Way So Okay. So you were unaware of this yet, and now that I've seen some other promotional videos for these workshops I, see they use this pool and kind of carted around with them I, love that it says on the side lobby seen birth pools. Yeah. This is for people who want to give birth in water or to the limbaugh off method and funny enough someone may give birth in the pool today. Yes, they may. And so as I. was walking in, it was kind of half full. HALF EMPTY OUT NO. Optimists and there was a couple big chunks of ice floating in it. But then afterward wants you know we're ready to get in there than they fill it up the rest of the way, and they dump in a ton of all lot of ice, lot of ice like when you're a party and you send Gary Out fries and he comes back with ice picture that. But like times eight. Eight Gary's, and they've each bought a bag of ice and you're like, well, we'll Gary scary calm down down she'll. Know. She'll down spiny saying chill up. She'll down yeah. We, we say, Oh, chill out. That's what people say that sounds wrong. Now, that's the preposition. Yeah. She'll out Gary. Yup. I brought the ice from. Speaking of our mutual friend Lindsay Pavlos. I was talking to her this morning and I said that we were going to record tonight we speak in. Spanish to each other and she. Z. And she said Oh see L. Hombre free. Oh, the cold man and I thought she was talking about you and that she was just saying like Oh, you're going to record with that. Cool Guy Ross. Like e yeah. Cool Yeah took me several women, House seconds standalone briefly. Okay. So we're all kind of huddled between two cars. So essentially, there's one parking space that has this pool parked there. And it's now like almost up to the brim with just floating is. So it's almost like a solid surface of ice chunks on the top, and it's probably like five feet across. That sounds about right. Yeah, and that I guy, he's ready to go. But other people are you know they're kind of lining up? There's no clear line. But some people are more nervous about this. Than others. Some people are really eager or maybe just eager to show off who knows both of the guys are shirtless and some are very clearly dislike. Yeah. This is my chance to be shirtless. And show off my coal tolerance. There's a lot of good looking ladies too. They're all wearing bathing suit. So yeah, we're we're ready. We're all hanging out around the ball. It's just everybody wants to get this very small pool. So, as each person goes in Michael crouches down next to them, and he's so encouraging. He really is right there with just you. When you're in this pool, it's like burning experience. It's exactly like that Ross and I have both given birth now and don't tell us hard. It was so easy. It wasn't like birth, but he's still wearing his shirt because he's not getting in. True. So he's looking you like right and is very kind of intimate. Even, right? Yeah. Which also reminds me of the holiday breath work. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Intimacy there. He gets right up next to you. He crouches he puts his hands on the side of the pool and just whispers. Encourage men tells you what you need to hear to get you through. It reminds you pre slowly you can. Yes and people are getting in there and you know there are going. and. Like trying to get control of their breath, which is very hard to do as you enter that very cold water because you start doing the rapid breathing. and. You're getting all the up to your shoulders right away. Encourages you not to do a sort of like dip your foot in then Dipa party, you just do it. In there, but also don't dunk your head under some people are exceptionally calm. But I would say five sixths of people getting, there are pretty who, okay. But still like being pretty cool. Okay. Yeah. Henty free us. Called A lot. What's that mean? Cold people. Okay. So you and I were actually the first set of to go together I. I would say probably like tenth people were eager and we weren't trying to jump ahead of everyone is going to get in there. So why not and one lady saw that I was kind of busy taking photos with my iphone and she said Oh, can you please photograph and get some video of me doing this? So did that and then airdropped it to her and she was just so thankful. Some other guys like. You're the best, it'd be great if you could do that for. Village photography. Yeah. This is for people. Happy. To do it snapping away. It's like when you hold the door open for one person. But yeah, we. We, kind form two clumps on either side of this pool and some people be checking their phones. Other people be Kinda psyching themselves up because they knew they were next in the queue. So there was this thing that everyone was taught to do afterward? Yes. The horse dance. Yes. Horse dance US Right Force and dot horse. There was a woman I. Don't think we've mentioned her yet. But she was kind of an assistant for the class and she didn't have too much to do in. In the ways of white tasks, but felt like she might be his romantic partner. Oh. Interesting. Okay. anyways Yes. She would kind of grab whoever just come out and start doing this dance with them. So you Kinda get your feet a little wider than shoulder width apart, and so you can Kinda crouch down i. think of it as kind of like a baseball stance I, give your shortstop kind of stance re-ready to run any which way and your feet ever so slightly turned outward. And then with your hands, you're kind of moving about doing it. Yeah. As you're shifting right and laughed on trying to stay near the microphone as they do this. But as you kind of pivot on your feet from left to right, you're SORTA cradling an invisible energy ball between your hands. Picture one of those days where you know they're like I'm building. Energy ball I'M GONNA fire. My right. It definitely reminds me of the movements. You see when you see someone doing Tai Chi in the park total sort of consistent, slow, very deliberate movement and everybody has their own kind of spin on this carry has this one where she's kind of like pushing something to the left. And then, I'm very exaggerated with my energy ball. Warming between my hands as they take turns being on top and bottom and everybody has a slightly different one in the woman who was leading. She had I think the most exaggerated. She was really crouched low and she's going really far to the right and really I left nearest. Energy. Crackling between her hands, goodness. Yeah. That horse is high. So we were using the tripping I. Don't know what where we really told that. It would help us warm up or yeah. Okay. Because it felt like the emphasis was more on sort of the energetic side of things like this is just a really healthy way. After you've gotten this trial by ICE, they definitely said it would warm up our costs, stoles. Oh, good I mean as more focused on the inter-, cockles. Of My heart. What are the INTERCOSTAL 's okay. Well, let's look at the Internet knows, but I think it's the muscles that line your ribs. Glad. You were paying attention to that. Yeah. Mainly involved in mechanical aspect of breathing. Go I. Guess. That's probably what freezes up and makes your breath shallow, and so you're warm and backup. So yeah, other people were doing it. They were surviving and like you say some of them, you know look Nice and light. But others you could tell they were just really focusing. They had their eyes closed. This is taking effort and each time it would be about two minutes. Yeah. He said it was going to be ninety seconds, but it really was about two minutes out time. That's right. I don't know what internal counting mechanism using, but US pretty accurate at judging by videos that we took. So then it was our turn yeah. To get in. So he kind of told us put our backs but we ended up just kind of facing each other. He's going to have this kind of offset from each other so like my legs were going to the side of you and your list. But we ended up just kind of facing each other sitting crosslegged, sitting crosslegged. As. Well, so yeah, we both got our feet in there and then he told us go in, go in plop end. Do It plopped in own mind? God? It's so. and. Listen to it. Might be easier if you go one this one that way it's like. You're back there, your best. Learn. As we go out. Whatever you have to do for thirty or forty six. Whole. Listened as we focus on these sales, we're also focusing. Relieving the attention of the shoulders. Very nice. Ray here backup just a little bit. She feel this. Too few. Sun On your shoulders. Focus. I that. generate. Of My. Focus on those. Yes. Excellent. Excellent. Excellent. Stay. there. All the way. Release the shoulders as you xl keep the exultation does. Full. Actually. Various. Focus back on those. while. You're India, grab each other's hands. That generated. Sites. Right. We. Have Way more here. Back to those. The shoulder there. Yes Oh. Is Right here. So. Yeah Keri, one of the first thing she yelled does. They said do whatever you have to do for the verse. Thirty seconds. That's what I else I needed to do. Yeah. Oh, my God. It was like. For WELLM? Coal. Carry shouted her mouth was wide open. got a good picture here. As soon, as we did that I thought okay, I am so now focused on carries experience. Like this is in be for me. Birth. Yeah Yes. Okay. Carey's freaking out, but I. Know lots of the show isn't too bad. So yeah, I was saying. You know. How can we help carry gets thank she. got. It was so freezing cold, but it was kind of fun because then people were like laughing. Fuck, and so you do feel like this camaraderie in the air, you know as everybody's doing it. In a little bit of performance going on as well carries the most entertaining. Full yet, and so Michael is. Focusing a little more on me I guess for some reason. He cries, Hey, coaches down. But between any he looks at me every now and then, but he's like, okay, let's say you're fine. Help this lady. And so he said, well, why don't you guys hold hands Oh? Yeah, and so he did that was nice. That was comforting. He did another nice thing. Someone was standing right behind you and he said Oh can you move just a little bit to the side, get their shadow off of your back, and then he encouraged you just like this was so helpful. He said, can you feel the sun on your back and it was like oh? Yeah. He's like think about how warm the sun is and that works show. Okay I. Mean, that's probably also acclimated the water, but still like a sudden like, oh, that is really warm. Okay. Think about that part of me. Okay. Okay. And that's when I got my breath control indefinitely. The slow breathing helped. That was kind of the one thing I've focused on. Okay. Just keep the Breslow you're trying to get their. Hold Hands. And you said, Oh, that's that's really helpful. And I thought, okay, we're we're kind of moving our arms away from our. kind of open war that opened up some fresh coldness. But you know, then you get the comfort of your friend and we normalize again and yeah, everything. Let me a okay, that's right today. Yes. So we did it for full two minutes. Yeah. Food and I felt like, I. could've kept going you know. I remember at the end of it feeling like maybe I could have done another half a minute. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I could have prolonged it, but I was just fine with it being done. It's GonNa. You know with Wim, they talk about how? Well he perfectly balances this. With his skin and he's got his temperature regulated. But then you wonder why does he stop after two hours or close to two hours when he's doing his world records? Like at some point, he decides all right better. Get Out of here. Right? Because he's hungry needs a Burrito or because like. He himself also does have a certain time limit. On. You can stay in a does he say you can do it forever? He doesn't. Says everybody can do what I do right essentially. But he himself he does stop after a certain time. So. Reason cold. Yeah. Anyway. Hold his call. But yeah, the you know two minutes was wasn't too bad though it's funny. You can see on me and everybody like as they get out especially, the guys who are shirtless. There's this red line like. From the you know the mid chest down is just bright red and you can see that line like a farmer's Tan. I. Just. Because your body's been trying to rush blood to the surface, maybe to help I, don't know what's going on, but you read. Yeah, definitely, we get out, we do our horse dance and move energy about, and then we continue watching others and I did feel like I had broken the ice on people vocalizing because after that, we started talking and letting out shrieks and stuff you're welcome. Yes. So then there were definitely more couples afterward or you know people get together. So we had some of that with each one Michael would get there. I. Don't know if I've mentioned at the, he has a top not. Important. Okay. You're a man bun need to communicate that, but he pulls it off. Well, if anyone can. It's Michael Christopher. Very handsome man. Looks like Jason Man's. And then our friend molly as she was our photographer videography while we were in the pool, she got her turn and got in the pool again, two minutes. She knocked it out of the park. But when she got out and did her horse dance, she had a good horse. Yeah. It turned into like galloping. This was like a dance like she was kind of quickly. Back and forth and have the arms pumping and it would've worked really well, like a rave dance. Okay. But it was like energetic. Indefinitely I'm I'm sure it would warm up a whole body. But yeah, I just I love how everybody had their own style, but I think she definitely had her own style. She was galloping with her feet to wash. Yeah little almost gung him style or something. Yeah. Yeah. Kinda. Then after everybody had gone, we stood in a circle. Yeah. We went back inside. So we can kind of huddle up together at our arms around each other. Yeah. This was all again, pre covid. All of this would be like horrible things to do during over ninety dollars heavy breathing. In. An enclosed space together Yup. But yeah, it was a real nice moment. He brought us together and gave us a lot of inspiration. Yea. He said this nice thing. He said. So think about what's your ice bath? What other beneficial things do we avoid out of fear speaks to me because I think about like exposure, a lot psychological exposure and how important it is to making you stronger in very much. It is the opposite end. Of Fire Walking. It's Kinda. The same idea you put yourself through this kind of physical extreme. But then you have this metaphor now that you can apply to your life. Oh, Hey, I walked over the coals I can do anything. I. Sat in a ice bath. That's right. I can do many things. So, we're all standing there in a circle with arms around one another, and that woman who I wrote down here was his wife. So maybe I knew that okay, I just married them in the middle of my notes but. She said they had a discount code for anyone who would like it and they're also doing this with schoolteachers and they're starting to involve plants medicine. That's right. I forgot about that? Yeah. Oh boy, this could get interesting, which is code. For IA, usually I'm trying to imagine other it doesn't seem safe if we're talking about getting into water. Oh, God. I. Wouldn't want to be anywhere near water on Aska that's that's an accident waiting to happen if you WanNa hear our I o Oscar adventure, go check out our me a series. Do it. There's a lot. It's our longest series who boy, then he said something. So wonderful I had to write it down for them. He said we all have a bucket of shit inside us, but we rarely go through it and sift and see what's the air and at the bottom of that barrel is love. So is actually like. Heart beating at the bottom of a barrel and then just shit. On Just, what a mixed metaphor for the ages really really potent metaphor. Wow Barrel of Shit. All right. I'll have a bucket of shit. Oh, it's a bucket. Okay. Well, that's a little more manageable. At least it's not a birthing pool full of Shit Touche. fucking shit inside us. But we go through it and sift and see was there at the bottom of that bucket. It's love you might call that bucket are Amiga? LICO. Call Back for India and carries. Spanish, lessened. So after that, how are you feeling? Pretty good. I walked away from that fairly energized. I had a good time there, and as we started doing this podcast series I picked up the old Wim Hof App, Oh huff up that they had encouraged us to get. So maybe time talk a bit about my adventures in Wim. Hof are-. Cool. You'd on from this workshop and also the scientific studies that have been done on. Wim. Hof and his methods. There's more fear not, but weights I wanted to tell you. Hi, felt afterward. Afterward, how did you feel afterward? So I felt pretty good for the first two hour. You're having a Shitty Day. Yeah. I had come in having a pretty bad headache and that did pass and for the first two hours I was like, okay. I have to give some credit. My headache went away. Then two hours later returned. So short-lived benefit if it was a benefit, then the next day I was tracking this and I wrote down better today, but I had also taken a two mile walk and that's often helps. But that I had been extremely sleepy the day of the ice bath. Oh. That like that afterward. which seems counterintuitive. Or. Maybe just your body's been a lot and yeah, maybe calms down there. Carry. Let me just go out. Yes. Spent all your. Adrenalin. Yeah. I feel like I returned pretty quickly just to my baseline. Yeah. Me Too in a sense. So the next day I had a very bad headache. And era too, and if you'RE GONNA give credit to Wim Hof for the good stuff, you gotta give it to a bad stuff too. So I'm going to credit wim Hof with making the pain. Go Away I kind of have to say it gave me the pain back. Okay. Give. It credit for that a debit. Wonderful. Thank you. Apple pay. And speaking my friend Lindsay she said the best thing I've heard about one hof. Okay. I was describing. It's been calling him the home Ray Frio. She's a, she's a generator. I was describing to her the Wim Hof method and I said like what you do the and the you get in an ice bath at first, it's really cold, but then it starts to feel better and she said, okay, is there something that comes next door? See. That's helpful every now, and then when we're doing this podcast for someone to to say something like that like, and is there any real benefit? Why are you doing this and then you just stop you're like, oh Oh, there's no reason. No, no kind of like that seinfeld routine where he's talking about how we go to the gym just so we can be good at going to the gym. Oh sure because like where you actually using these things in real life well I. Guess that's kind of the whole point of this that you're getting out of your sedentary lifestyle, put yourself in these extreme situations, but then you have to. To ask, when am I gonNA need this makes sense with the gym. Really. But I think it is sometimes useful to give yourself sort of arbitrary goals to meet just to give yourself that exercise that practice of like overcoming obstacles, and here the claim is that dealing with the extreme will make you more adept when return to normal life. Actually, that's funny. It's kind of like a summation of the hero's journey. You go out and you have all these new experiences and you meet New People in the mentor and you. You'll fight these new photos and then of course, at the end of it. Now that you have greater powers knowledge and ability, you go back home to the Shire or wherever it is. You came from Tampa Wayne, and now you have this a different person. You're a different person that's right in everything is. Is Different than it was. Now, you are though wise adventurer and that is me. There's also a bunch of like a medical claims. So we'll talk about those next up. Yeah. Lots more to talk about. So we'll see again but dance it for this episode. 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#342 Wim Hof

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She'll give you when she finds that. Bald Eagle all right joining me now first class Father Wim. Hof Welcome to I last. Fatherhood thank you very much for having me man. Yes all right. Let's start right here. How many kids do you have? And how old are they six? Yeah the oldest one is thirty seven and the youngest is two. Wow Yeah what an age gap there. What what type of sports activities? But I all into all guys like mountaineering Can you name cold water trading? Of Course Ronnie. Anything actually ballgames anti-doping. Yeah very cool. If you could win please just take a minute here to hit my listeners. With a little bit about your background and what you do yes so They told me the asthma. Because of having done so many challenges in In extreme cold environments a beyond to Polish other goal and I send swim and run marathons in shorts in a yeah at the deep freezing temperatures and then climbing mount everest in shorts to the death zone. Dan Gone with their on. The Kilimanjaro. Record Times up and down even with groups of people and I've been doing a lot of challenging a adventures with a lot of people taking them. India mountains but not not the normal travel agency away at really. Put them to risk of When they learned to be completely aware because again in the moment and learn to handle a deeper physiology. That's I use the nature to challenge the people get into psychically and physically into deeper nature. And I've been doing that all my life ghost that makes life interesting. It's absolutely incredible what you do. I'm fascinated by your philosophy just on life and I am everything that you stand for. Now you've had all these amazing experiences in your life about. How old were you when you first became a father? And how did the experience of becoming a father kind of changed your perspective on life? Twenty three I was when I had my son and I'm sixty one so the oldest one is thirty thirty seven now Yeah thirty seven thirty seven yes then. I got daughters of thirty five and thirty four thirty two and then one of seventeen and then one of two. Yeah that's the way it go so the first one at wasn't an amazing experience you know. I was not aware that I had a sodden in Bali off the mother coming. 'cause we were like separators for five months and then. I got a Lotta is like it was beyond any decision that gets add to it was coming. I was like over that relationship and that I got this letter and she was in Spain living in Spain and northern part of Spain in the Basque country and she called out. No what's no calling? It was a a letter those days to wear no phone phones that way. You've got a letter and that joker like two weeks to get there and then you get a UC letter and directly. What I got the letter directly us a barber directly. I was proud directly. I was completely turned on and the other day I want Winter trade tariffs from Paris to borrow from Bordeaux to border of Spain to Pablo to where she lived and a arrived. I was brought. I was just bloody prop whole time like in flames and was there amazing. Yeah what happened? I don't know you never know until you. It's a feeling it's an experience and I never forget the way that father looked to me with east deep. Blue Steel Blue Eyes. You Pierce the right looming showing I did. Do you know what you gotTa do what you did? Who you are now. I mean he stats to me like a at least ten. Second be psychically completely. What is this? I never saw a person looking that way to me. I'm innocent. I'm just proud. I washed just proud. So don't those pissing is never could detect something bad. 'cause I was there to be bother bother since then I was just proud. Why NOT THE FIRST ONE? Two years later the second one and She was a she so gorgeous at my I was thinking I just thought he's beautiful beings and they were coming in my life and I got all the energy to take care of them and to be with them and to do whatever it takes. I got it all I love it. I see it as a pleasant and that that's the way and so I did my training at those times as well and never never ever day intervened with my training or my discipline. They are just a blessing. They enrich my enriched my life. That's what it is yet very. Well said women. Now you have a big gap there from your first one thirty seven. Now you have a two year old What are the biggest changes for you? Now is dad going back to the beginning here. What's different about you as a father? Now as opposed to in the beginning I I'm experiencing everything now like every day so much more and it is different because I got have more life experience and makes me fool of gratitude all the job a right now. I'm sort of No one in the world. A spay into spirituality like spiritual leader I got signed company convert that we are able to do more so all those disciplines and all my life I had children since twenty three to sixty one and they only reached my life. And now I'm able to enjoy this with so much more. Gratitude and I see is just a ridiculously cute? I'm proud proud like hell. I want to say but actually have proud like I'm in heaven. Yeah that's Awesome Women. Now what what exactly like maybe a simple capsule form is the women half method and what is it. Safe Age For Kids to start trying to melt it out. Oh Yeah Tha bar example. Today I was saying to tree climbing and climbing and my kit. Y- just looking and he wants to get in and these are big trees and it's dangerous again. Just take him in and all but he gets that impression and they they just want to get in like little animals and but not able so that happens as well when I go into the is back. They play around when I do. My breathing exercises deep breathing exercises. They date begin to mimic. When I do my pushups. They they they do they mimic they all mimic. If you Ha- if you show pleasure in what you do if you are and to stick to pick that. They make like little zebras do. When the kids arrived they began to run. Its wanted this. So what H. Latter Mimic you? Let them be part of what you do. Naturally you will see when they out three years old they will be able to understand everything you do and we'll have a psychic understanding of the danger. A what is happening. They will never force their bodies their little buddies they will go with feeling they will try but they will not go like let's be Jump in to the is no. They are very diligent take house cube. They begin to play like the little bows these ice cubes and before you know they. They go in themselves and they do. According to the natural loss of physics nature knows yeah. Good stuff women and you talked a lot about your own discipline that it takes to do all these different things. What about as far as disciplined as as a father. What type of disciplinarian are you as a dad and is it different than the discipline style that you grew up with me being? Yeah I just love kids. I bet you advocate discipline. I have and I can not tolerate them. A going with Bendik created circle of safety beyond their limits. A day cannot. I cannot tolerate than go into dangerous situations. I will be very direct like annual a bite. Them back. Say This is dangerous if you do it you jeopardize the the the flock the family. You jeopardize yourself you jeopardize according to natural laws and educates. No they know they always want to venture they WANNA test out who you are what you up. How far can I go? I just don't want him to have a jeopardizing situations to go into because Dan I will into read and there will be direct but for the rest I want kids to grow freely into their brain and the way they are yet awesome and I know right now especially here in the United States everywhere else in the world we have the corona virus completely swept over the world here. What is the effect like in the Netherlands? Or where where are you all right now? 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You'RE GONNA receive twenty percent off their first box of awesome. Check the show notes for the link. Box OF AWESOME DOT COM. Use the Promo Code Father. Who Twenty and received twenty percent off your first box of awesome yet awesome women. I know right now especially here in the United States everywhere else in the world. We have the corona virus has completely swept over the world. Here what is the effect me like in the Netherlands? Where where you are right now in. What is the response from you and your family? I think they're about the same with you guys over there. 'cause we got more or less the same live stops and we are at this our traditions our race. Our mixture is about the same as America. So we as the US say so. We got a population of seventeen thousand. We got three thousand people killed mostly weaker people people who have underlying conditions and an American. It's twenty thousand now. Something like that Casualties and but you gotta population which is like a five fifteen times sixty seventeen times bigger than ours so in the end you shoot have fifty one million fifty one thousand casualties compared to the Netherlands. So we CA- padding to the numbers. We have more casualties. And what I say about About Kuroda virus and or virus in general. We have been doing these studies in the university and they viruses. They cost inflammation. And what what? It is In in society Alec Alec is that Y- You ALICA. Yeah Okay what. It is in our modern society. We have D- connected so much from nature outside 'cause we got air conditioning. We got eatings. We got cost we get. We don't exercise inside. We have no called stimulus. We have no hot heat stimulus. We always protected so our buddies got. We Got Snow Nice. But it's not nice when the bodies need to protection of the defense system at told us by natural stimulation through life and that is the immune system which needs to be exercised through gold and or heat to extremely teas that they physiology which is the immune system become stronger. More alert than a virus cannot cost a immune system which is I looked is notices virus or tobacco area coming in and at the beginning at jumps up. It's effectively now. It go in because there is a week of system we can imagine system and we have no control over that and the whole thing is in flames and we cannot do anything anymore. Of course. Not but that is the solution for the future. Is We battled back on our immune systems and we have shown insides and as a father. I teach my children to become a happy strong and helping. I always say the mother in Baghdad wants the same as the mother in New York just happiness strength and health for the children that is father route that is mother route that is family and family members. They should know that they are able to guarantee a much better defense system insight and a much better power of regulation regulating our moved mood. Dumpy depressed not be happy. How we got this. All a studied and researched into universities. And this is what I wanted to bring out the guarantee. I'm a father of my family but so are you and so are you. Are you a new We all able to make our defense system natural defenses. We are all born with a natural defense system which could be much better than than the way it is now to our cost heaters and air conditionings. We have to go back to nature sometimes like the dog. We need to go out because we have a mammal mammalian physiology at part of the Mali of physiology is a immune system and that immune system. We have showed after four days of training out in nature. We showed a group of people to be able to receive injection where the bacteria and normally all the people that get sick of that bacteria my people in four days. They did not get sick hundred percent score. That's what I want for my children. That's what I want to take on into the future at the ability to regulate their mood to learn how to deal with anger with depression with anything that S and mental disorder. When you learn to go into the Colt you learn to discipline. You learned to pacify yourself. You learn to deal with the stress the aggressive stress of the gold. You'll learn to deal with that. And that's you learned to connect with stress mechanisms into buddy and that is good for staying cool or MP's or inject when difficult stressful situation is going on but also to to have an immune system which is far more able to to cope with a stressful situation caused by a bacteria or a virus which is bacterial or viral stress. In the end it is all cell by a logical stress. Are we able to a deal better with that cell biological stress? Yes and I'M. Outta my children to be happy strong and healthy and that I wished to all of you guys because this is the love and we are able because we love our children beyond sentiment we really want to guarantee happiness strength and hell to our children and that's what we do. Yeah that's awesome. I couldn't agree with you more. They're beautifully said and I think you're one hundred percent right. How just as Dad's no matter where you are in the world no matter what part of the world you come from? When we see our kids succeed we could see another father. Be Happy for that child that we could feel the emotion when we see another father in. Your child is hurt. We could feel that emotion as well because we're connected way and unfortunately unfortunately here in the United States we got such a father less crisis we have so. Many kids are growing up without a father in their life. And it's having devastating results on our society All around the country and around the world as well so And what one? One thing that you're talking about is That's been weakening weakening. Us is the technology. Which does have some benefits to it. But I mean I think as a whole is really crippled a lot of our communication skills and a lot of are getting out into nature and stuff like that do you how do you use. Technology is big in your family of your kids use technology and all that stuff or do you avoid it for the most part. No I use it anytime I use it like anybody but I also go out when I go into the cold. There is no technology that is the technology of my physiology and all of my mind on I exercise that so well that I make sure that I am in control overall. I feel at ease with everything we have that. Naturally you make the right use of the technology because when you feel good then you are in control and that the all the equipment and Radiology and act electromagnetic radiation and the cars and and the heaters and old out that that creates a a stress within our body. Which needs out that I tell you. Gold showers is a great cleanser of all. That shit at goes out. And then you ill. You are able to make use of all these things as long as you need it. Don't go ridiculous like five hours on your telephone or so a day. I used my telephone because it's also my work. I need to be able to be to do. Receive a do sent folklore but for the rest. Nah I don't make too much of no need. Yeah and if their parents out there that are listen abeer interested in what you do and practicing half method. What's the best place for them to go to get started so websites youtube? Where's the best place? You could direct them to go to check out what you do yes. We are on our website. The Women Hof Method Dot Com. There is a free APP and that free APP as well well developed and aware that you learn to understand an understanding feeling feeling is understanding what I say one more take. Just take on the free APP. You've got it all. If you want more. You can go for more but I think Matt you don't need that chess. Stay on the book. Whenever you feel. You are a check of your own feelings. How much a car driving do you need? How much more do you need when you are happy? Strong and healthy. Learn to become an check with your own. Unconditional no compensatory tools needed not technology. He does this and that to compensate a loss of feeling that loss of feeling go for that. Because that's who you are who you are as happy stroke healthy in Jack controlled. It is there and that makes us Great Fathers Grey beings able to show our children naturally. That's my message. Go to the website. It's all bid endorsed by signs in various ways and works at this. Shed works at et his good foyer. It is about love for the father to be able to guarantee all the energy old happiness old health too is a children. So that's my wish and my message I'm going to drop linked into the scripture. This podcast episode to your website. So I was you tap the link. Get over there and check out about what's next for you here women. You've had so many compliments here. I mean climbing Mount Everest short pants. I mean I believable. What you've done. What kind of goals or plans? Well what's the next feet? You plan on attempting. Yeah Ah many but the best is coming September. I will climb the Monkey. Lima Jarrell in shorts with thirty two people in shorts in one day and all this woman is fifty six year so she is trading herself. She is motivated very motivated. They use the power of their mind. I know it knows sheep following all days and that no they want to do something out of the box and they have a whole day get a hold of their buddies to the level of the cell. And that's what we go to show that we are able to regulate the white and the rat cells in the body and that is very much related to immune system. If you know how to up regulate your white celt than the immune system sadly is a lot stronger and I want to show the whole world that anybody with the right motivation some training. Of course we'll be able to do something that's scientifically was thought impossible by humans to do and we are to show not only that we are able to battle amounted. We will show that they munin system is a new challenge for humanity and we will show how to up regulate it in one day. That's that's awesome. I look forward to seeing that myself. Women lasting. I WanNa hit you with here. I love to ask all the data. Get on the PODCAST. What type of advice do you have for the new dad or for that about to be Father? Who's out there listening being that by La us? Shit and stresses kind of come in and you can't not love because of that then get back to lock and if that doesn't help that advice get into the wake-up get into the cold shower. Wake up enough to your son to your daughter. Beat a great dad. You are yeah very well said I love message. There's been an honor for me. I've gotta say you're a first class father all the way. Thank so much for giving me a few minutes of your time here. Prosperously Fatherhood thank you. Thank you all the love about doable. Back to wrap things up here on first. Fatherhood I gotTa give a special thank you once again to Wim. Hof giving me a few minutes of his time here and it was so cool. 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Pets // Froning & Friends EP. 121

Froning and Friends

57:00 min | 4 months ago

Pets // Froning & Friends EP. 121

"It rolling and if it's something that i can do without injuring myself so aids. Grandma used to own the house that we lived in. And i think that she kept the water. Like kind of didn't get too hot like you can change the temperature. I can do that safely yes easily. I don't know i haven't seen your watergate. Patriot ends to. You can probably look up a youtube video. If i had to guess probably a video on youtube to show you exactly how to do it safe. I know that ours is downstairs and ours is too easy to fix or to easy just because their kids do it. Okay and either you. Sometimes you get in the shower and you're like oh god i just cooked myself or i just not listening. Because they've turned it off the water hotter yes. You can do that this a couple of times that i've gone on a town then. Everything always goes a crap as soon as things break down every every up and hillary is yelling at me because she doesn't think i paid for gas because we have we have a propane for heat and for some of our self. We have electric as well for some of our clients right. Well mike. i know. I paid for propane. I don't know what the deal is. Electrcity was out with the propane would still work. Yeah well then electronically comes back on. And then she's like. The water heaters broke and paid propane. Babol sure enough. Dad gets go check and see if that switches flipped. Sure enough is interesting. Okay try the switch flipper. I can fix my water. Yes dryer working by the way now. Oh did it finally finding out all right thank you. I don't know that. I fixed it. But i'm not sure who des working. Good what you do. I just attached properly attached the the duct work on the back. Yeah well we moved in. It was not working properly. I won't say who helped us move in the washer dryer but yeah it was not working. Come over and thinks that. Brian to listen to this. It not hooked up what was as always the issue the issue so the duct work that you just actually connect to the vent was not connected so there was it was just blowing out into the house so yeah anyway so just can't say we talked about before. Oh yeah look this year for the new year. I wanna buy a soda. You can buy a sunlight and sauna for two thousand dollars. Thanks vice. I kind of want to st my real. Yeah i want to. I know there's all these. Science science says infrared saunas and all that crap but i i like a real sauna. Yes d- do you know the like wim hof talking about today. Freezer we're gonna get another one of those since since being part of the wim hof club but to. Are you still doing that. Jumping in that thing paknum. All i've heard of him right. I'm heard the whole thing. But i'm not paying any attention to really in. I hate the cold. So i'm not like that's not the thing i'm going to run right at. He did a podcast with jordan peterson. I love jordan. Peterson and i was blown away. Like some of the stuff they started talking about. Like if it's really real like wow. It's real heat. Shock proteins proteins in neuro injected neuro toxins in his body and he could regulate it like so he can regulate his body's response to a neuro toxin based on his breathing but he the easiest way to me. So i mean. I guess i mean i'm not going to get to like the brain chemistry and stuff but whatever your body's response to a neuro toxin is which like. What's the thing you get from eating bad chicken salmonella. So manila going east you sal. He had some salmon's injected into get something to and he. Which makes you really sick and nothing happened. Well that dude like when he talks on that podcast pull my face back away from the. Mikey just starts talking. And he doesn't shut up then he's going on. He also english very well. He's he tries to. But there was like i don't know he's doing all these studies with harvard and cambridge easiest to get started. If you really genuinely want to start yes but it starts. Well yes. he's saying. A cold shower is great for your body and regulating things. But if you want to understand what he's doing to the body download wim hof aphids freeze for and it's an start with the breathing techniques and then you use those in conjunction with the cold and that's how you'll take thirty thirty big deep breaths in and out do that three times And then try to hold your breath for a minute thirty and then to thirty and then three thirty in this process and he guarantees you after a certain time. You can actually do this. And during that process you putting your body into the fight or flight kind of space and through breathing able to able to control that and the good things that are happening to our body when it has to resist start to the hormones. All that stuff starts to happen something like that and then go to the shower for thirty seconds. Turn the cold water on an and if you can try to the breathing inside of that and then have that. Be something that you can start with. You want us with him in like learning more about this as this is a great group in general. But it's called yes theory and they do all these crazy things but they've had them on twice. Watch the second one. Because if you're not trained correctly like crazy things can happen when you take into like the deep work so mind you. This isn't like hey breathing. This is going to happen but like he had like having seizures and whatever but it takes this group of kids and puts them in the cold and the breathing. And it's just really fascinating. What ended up happening with. All of them was the new year approaches. I'm really trying to make a choice and you know in mind. That choice means based stop considered based on value. Saw either half. Or i'm going to smoking pot. Okay off extra talks about getting. He can apparently access the gland. The d. m. t. or something. Whatever if fairly he can make himself. Trip allergists nothing. What do you think like. Same access to edibles. These are jokes. Never actually done anything. Guess what ever drink alcohol. Before i was twenty one. Oh dare you contrast showers. So you're saying if i practice my breathing when it gets onto the cold that will help me in the painful of the going from hot to cold. Yes yes but it's all it will also help you regulate so it's in the way that affects. I would say your brain chemistry and things like that. At some point you become able to regulate anxiety and depressions normally when they go from the burning hot to the freezing cold one. Two three four trying to san under for thirty seconds. You want another one of my favorite reason pictures of you. That shows your ability like you did regulate emotion. This like no other. But you're skydiving picture jumping out like imagine how you regulated that you manage to get a smile on your sheer tear. But you're like video. He's standing the door. He goes smile. Mike watching watching her during this good awesome. The only look horrible. Not telling everybody was that they told you this is clearly they told you during the during the briefing. That you're gonna try to smile when you come out it'll keep your cheeks from flapping smiling also forgot all that but he just smiled. I get to the door smiled. I go that was like totally put on. That was awesome. I video my bet is the worst silent ever seen. I told on here where i'm doing that. I'm like saying what i'm supposed to say before. I jump out of the point. And then i tried to jump like what happened but we had this big long video intro that they wanted me to say like a here with. Us army worry fitness. These are the golden knights and this is the show or something like that and the guy was like whenever you say that i'm supposed to give it a thumbs up. That means we're ready to go. So i gave them a thumbs up. We turn and i go to watch. I go to and he calls me back. He's got like this thing is going. It's like what i think. I would like that better because on the one two three. And i'm like the one i'm like. Oh god was actually the first time i went. So you sit in somebody's lap and then in the planes we were in. You're sitting on the floor right and so to get ready to just throw you out of the plane and you're just dangling definitely you would hate us dangling. You're touching anything. I'm just hanging here. I liked it that we just kind of walked to the door and then it was just like all right. That what you're talking about right. There was literally in the top two or three scariest moments of my life because your peter out and using out. Nobody you're so you're attached to this guy. Yeah and you're sitting in the attachments are here on him. So you're below him so you're hungry body about like a little less but it's not for his weight. I think you go out full for sure. Thousand with all the the speed in the air blowing. But you're just sitting there like a little kid in a baby. Bjorn and it makes me sick said this before. And i can't articulate this enough and i'm sitting there watching rich. He's right in front of me and he's there and he's hanging out and i see past him a little bit panicked and i'm really trying to and then he's gone. Yeah gone okay. This is really happening. And then is your turn you know. And then you're hanging. There ain't god i was i if i watched hailey poof out of the thing. I don't know if i would have made. It was watching on the ground. And you see that shoot open and you see the video film guys. Just keep going because it doesn't feel like you're falling out. It's not that bad honestly. I don't think. I mean that was actually the coolest part though because of the gut. He was falling upside down under eighty. So in that shoot went we just took off like this and then he just kept fall and he just kind of like that on the way down. Physics question people are crazy about. You're not going to get an answer to learn in physics like everything falls like what is it. Nine hundred eight the up so that was really good at the physics full fitness class. Say that never once now predict physics. Dropped something off the empire state building like it's all default the same of yeah but i guess you're just when falling is we're talking about bin should falls that the same rate in a vacuum if there's no air affecting it added squirrel you're going to go slower than the person who's stuck in your head. I'm just trying to do this when you're driving home your hand out like this. Let's see what really good task. Overlapping but why the guy. If you watch the behind the scenes video from the skydive there's one guy on there and he talks about ace and how he gets three hundred miles per hour because he goes from here to like. I guess maybe that was what i was getting. A lot of mass increase tension. You can't beat a services area right. Alternate service ten. that's right. Does that make sense because wherever you jumped. Only so much time where he's going to get. I flat okay. That makes it a hypothetical up here. That makes we did talk. I was like. I wanted to know though again. Please tell me you're proud of you and your handle that really well and you did it. The first person. I've ever heard that said when you got there said i'm never doing that again. That was awesome. Tastes like absolutely not never doing that. Never teach thrown away so scary pictures and videos. You did it for sure. But na nadler brain was never like. I've never experienced. I was just like a phallic is like a ping ping ping being but no thoughts were forming happening. But you don't have any thoughts or memory of that. I just right when you exit. That's like the scariest thing i can remember. Canopy was the worst. Said they can't be was so standing the door. Was the scariest before you actually do it. The free fall. I wasn't that afraid. They didn't feel like anything. Like i honestly was just like. I know my ground but the ground so far away and i don't feel anything but then when we were under canopy and it was really windy. Oh you jumped so you know. It was really windy. So the sound of the wind. All i was thinking about my canopy uncivil volleyer loud. It was just. I was loud undermined and then coming towards the ground. Like then i'm like i'm really close to the ground. Not close enough that if this can be in would not plummet to my death but it's coming closer and closer faster. You know what. I mean rich. You look like you're like you're ready to be jumping by yourself. I don't have that switch. I don't think you shouldn't do this. You've done it so so it's like it's gonna be okay. Odds are even the really even like yeah. I think that's a switch. Because i've done it and i think i would feel the same amount of here again. I really really. That really really freaked me out in just that moment and then i was thankful to compose myself and be okay but it really when you when you left the plane off seriously not okay and then i wasn't. I'd say i was just all right. And then you can come to grips with this. Gonna live gonna die. It is what it is here we go. It helped that so many people doubted me. Because i'm like the all wrong can hopefully not to the ground. Anybody right myself so two hypotheticals. Yesterday that really hit home with you. Well he's one hit home but the other was just funny including them and one. Oh my gosh. All her did a really good one on one of the on the lives. He said for me he said. Would you rather catch super bowl winning touchdown for the lions national championship. When down from the for notre dame homerun walk off home run world series for the tigers when the daytona five hundred. I was. I don't know i don't know if i could ever you said it was depending on the time in your life. Probably me when. I was a kid like depending on the season like if it was summer of course tiger all question. Great question right. I know what my answer would. Transfer i do and this is going to be. You will think this is odd because it just my love for football but the coolest moments for me in sports have always been a big hit baseball. I can't forget that. No i literally cannot forget that to stand up there with all that pressure with all those people watching in stay that president and have that swing mean that much to enjoy running around the base under the lights goosebumps. Yeah that'd be pretty cool. I watched because we're going to lie game on sunday nights and so i watched football football life the series. I'm barry sanders. Did his dad. He would want to know. Need to watch it on youtube. Okay thirty or something like that. His dad's did his hall of fame like introductions and he said introducing the third greatest running back of all time. Wow really because he says. Jim brown was better than barry sanders. Have your own dad. Like i said while you're playing See him saying that. Motivate you a little bit i. That's argue than brace centers degrees running back of all time and there's something moment for that. No it was. It was bad where people are like in the crowd. I don't know we'll just kind of chuckled. I guess awkward. Or whatever like that guy. So i was curious to hear his perspective though like he just. He just lost the love for the game. He's like i don't wanna keep playing and playing for the lions would have been terrible right and they were like he was ten years news career. Second all time. I think at the time on the rushing list and fifteen hundred yards away from that title carrying about it. How long have you playing ten years. That's a long time to play of respect for somebody like it is. I mean he was like it was like prime of his career. He was just like you know what i wanna do. It and i lost loved were and But it was. I remember as a kid though. It was devastating. Like ninety eight or eleven. I think are ninety nine nine early two. But i mean he was like you know we. We're heading into a rebuilding year. Yeah he's just over. I always worry about like matthew. Stafford what he could be someplace else. Calvin johnson yea johnson. Same thing same kind of deal. What's the dude over the falcons Yeah matt ryan same kind of thing. What would he have been like if he would have had been the packers quarterback her. You know it's hard to say but man kind of feel bad somebody gets stuck with. Yeah but i grew up barry. Sanders was my childhood watching. That was also nobody could stop and go. Head is area. I still in there. Who's the receiver for the chiefs. Now the the tyreek that name yeah. That's quick different. Speed different ability to stop dude. He's just on a different level. I used to have this like vhs called berry and it was an hour long. This highlights saw. That's awesome man. That's what you got ahead this area. We won one game playoff game card put in the vcr so play so your cranky if we just need to find like a youtube blooper berry. We'll just be like hey rich day for you. Very sucks is if you're gonna be loyal to throw core values that you but you gotta keep loving 'em and you to deal with it know like and that's just really is who you are too. You're not ever trying to get away from now if he were a browns fan. That's another science science fan. I argue this all the time. Lions are the worst franchise. In all sports i agree. The browns have been to a super bowl. It's true the browns currently their franchise. And i've running this ground but the browns are technically the baltimore ravens now and they've won a super bowl. The browns are an expansion team. That doesn't count. The lions are worse. A how do they do team just to stay forever if someone pays for them or how does like money says someone really loves it. Saint a lot about how much they love that organization. The ford family. Martha four be patriots. Fans i mean. I mean not right now in the past you have brady fans must have the brady leggings in while could be time. No took his pat skiers change subject. I'm sorry dave will give me a break. What six super bowls river bend to a super bowl even sniffed issue ninety one we lost in the nfc championship game redskins. Forty one to ten. No a winning. You know off. Tigers haven't won since eighty four. We had the red wings for a while. Had the pistons. But i don't like basketball name. Hasn't won since i was one last. What's the deal now. Afc championship acc. Champion a replenishing the this next saturday. Yeah okay ten and a half point dogs though on this one. So that's going to be a good well. I mean it's the test right now. Let's see let's see what's up. Got their quarterback back. We'll see how kid was pretty decent though. He didn't play bad. He's young but he didn't play. Trevor lawrence trevor lawrence livermore versatile though other maybe a better athlete trevor. Lawrence is incredible. Throw the heck anything the heck out of the ball everywhere like real ben. What do you think about. He'll say well he's longer. No opinion. football voice. I knew how to play that way. I should like watch any sports on. Tv gab thing. I can't sit and watch sport now. We'll get enough the athlete camp last weekend or was it with russia's weekend that you were like we walked in watching the name game. He's like yeah. I can't who said that to do. There's no explaining. just go do it would. But my soul. I think i'd rather watch we. Notation we can't get behind that watching watching sport back in the day. When i was a kid back in the way day radio was a thing imagination for sure and my dad didn't believe in tv because the devil was tv so could it be Saying but i would get up and listen to the nebraska cornhuskers man i had a red nebraska cornhuskers hat and i was a little kid and every saturday man i'd be listening to the radio just grew up that way football. It's all i ever wanted to attack game to play. It's the sport of kings better than diamond rings football movie. I don't know goldie. hawn overboard. Wildcats called wildcats. She coaches an inner city football team and she gets them altogether so love overboard. That's bradley binding that movie and there's a good movie. The kids watch it. Yeah my mom lived in your kids. So i've seen it a lot. There's a rap song at the beginning of wildcats kings better than dumb and rings football awesome. We know you're wrapping and it's in the future it is i'm done that's all you get from me. Impressive so impressive. Actually makes me think hardball harbaugh coaches intercity baseball team. I've not seen that ever. It's tearjerker when i was flying. Recently i watched remember the titans and cried onto. Oh jerry oh yes so sad. I mean silver. He has this happy. Actually the whole school was just in a news in the name of the school. tc williams high. Apparently he was a racist and four segregation. There were like. Hey we should change the school name. So i i what i read. Oh yeah did you see the cleveland indians. Yup changing today don't know. Td cleveland baseball team. I don't know. I guess we'll find out that's pretty big deal. That would probably don't wanna get into that. We're gonna know news. Yeah yeah for sure. Let's talk about you said kiana reeves. Apparently he's a good dude. Yeah i've heard likely i would. He were the saying about you. Know he's like an incredible right. Really good human via plus. He's he's actually really really good with guns like that's all legal stuff. People either hate his movies or love is haven't seen john wisdom work. That's my dad's saying oh yeah wick is. Oh my gosh matrix. I don't like any of the first one was incredible. What's the movie where he also like. Twelve johnny football in replacements. No no patrick. Swayze would make robbers point break point break. Good movie never seen point break holy crap. That's a really good movie to point right now. Those who point. Break your real. That's a movie. Somebody said today that there's a james bond movie it's done i've never i've never once seen a james bond are my favorite june series. It's done and they're not releasing it. Because i want to see wonder daniels craig here. Because he lives on. Here's what they were talking. Actually we're talking about on on another podcast. I was listening to. But i can't brosnan anybody but in mrs doubtfire this is. I wonder woman has coming up in new room and she was also choose michigan goal. She's not. I don't know she's not that good looking. But you did a good job. Creating just kidding. How's this is there another avengers movie coming out. No they're kind of read. Well yes no. There's a bunch of series. They're putting on disney. Plus i think winter soldier falcon i think and then loki thinks getting his own talked about new guardians movie. But i haven't heard about any that. They're actually filming a black widow. She's getting her own. Lakeland will love that. Yeah that'd be you know what i was thinking about. They haven't made like a really good christmas movie a long time. Like a new one. Yeah we watched rudolph the claymation on one so good. Hillary was like what she's like. I've never even seen this. Can we watch the real rudolph. And i was like this is real rude. Yeah claymation ones are good. Can you imagine yukon cornelius. Love it so axis nothing. You have the whole into kids going on. I don't watch that. I love the grinch and christmas vacation vacation. The grinch jim sam had neither one of them had seen thank goodness either so bad. What about you can come. I liked them all. Have you seen four christmases. It's one of the the darkness that makes me laugh. Yeah reese witherspoon. So tim mcgraw's in and tim mcgraw's wife in that movie okay. She has a show called american housewife. I think we've talked about that shows hilarious to watch it's got. It's not that great the last season or two but the first couple of seasons. Yeah incredible you're seeing the cuando. He's great funny. Laugh out loud. yeah it's that. I like christmas story to. It's getting a christmas for any more anymore. Maybe the twenty four hour. Twenty five ruin it. You can't just so many times in a row christmas vacation. I could probably watch twenty four hours. Joyce pick something up every time that always watched scrooge d- when we were growing up and it got to where i could watch any more than i. We watched it through the day with kids. Just the mickey mouse old school. Mickey mouse cartoon version What is it christmas story. No christmas carol roots. Because it's only it's only like thirty minutes long so it just takes me back to like. I used to watch all the time at my grandparents. Muppets version of that. It's really good. It's funny what about you ellie. Favorite christmas movies. It's pretty much covered them. All christmas vacation. Obviously grinches always entertaining. Grinches been overplayed our house jim carey. Yeah probably my favorite one. That was diehard. Oh yes diehard saber. Christmas came out and said there's another christmas christmas movie on this in the us. That's probably you had to hear about it for a long time right high but it's even in the schools are really in the end of sign off was in die hard on me. That's so funny it's funny. I'm this amazing. Jim carey like that costume he to wear was like. Oh it'd be miserable miserable. It's a great movie. But i it's been overplayed at anytime. It's on my watch anything else anything else. I heard someone break down the money that mariah carey may dollar ten sane right by that one song that one christmas song and then they were breaking down. Hell all artists want to try to have that one christmas on set you up for life seasonal or even a movie maker. Why would you not try to make a halloween or christmas movie because you know it could be timeless nightmare before christmas. Yes isn't it like a halloween. It makes me think james and the giant peach. It is all of those that Who's your dark didn't do batman and batman returns. Didn't you do though about the meat pies where they chopped up into meat is. Yeah that was johnny depp but that is to now it's something objects bureau sweeney. Todd yes yeah yeah office. No criticism my mom ringing. Sorry and they're like why. I don taking over as good and then i finally watch it as an adult the night before christmas and people just don't wanna watch it. I've watched a kid. And i don't remember that blocked it out. Have you seen it no. I just couldn't get interested. You have to be and it talks about how lean town. Yeah yeah Anyway speaking of laugh out loud stories i have. I have been saving the story to tell you. It's been weeks for me to like. Keep it in for weeks and you're probably not gonna laugh. You're probably not even thinking. It's funny. But i laughed for data and even tell me no and i've been holding it because anyway we'll see maybe one thing it's funny at all. I'm building great stress. It's not really your way for sure. This is not going to be running the day after thanksgiving something funny after okay after. Just check our text messages. You always so that. Every person was my dad. And i go to get it. Christmas tree goes the same post christmas forever. Thanks giving okay. Well so nervous about it if it's gonna land on the way back. We pass chick-fil-a the brand new chick-fil-a in merritt island florida and cocoa beach. We don't have chain restaurants whenever i'm like. Hey a mike into the chick-fil-a salads station. I eat them every day. so can we stop not everyday. Don't worry the okay a lot. So he's like yeah. Sure whatever so. I put it on the app and you can't let curbside like you have to go through the drive thru on this one. He goes how do we know your order. Data ordered on the app. You just want me to lady. Hey it's on the app. He goes all right so dry and we pull around the first person he's like. Do you need to tell them your name. I'm like no dad. I put your car in like we're good. So there's like eight people in this line so he rolls down the wind as passed the first person he goes ellie. And i'm like dad. They don't need to hear my name and he's like they don't know who to give it to so we passed the second person so as if i can't hear him he looks for he's like ellie so eight people he's sticking his health when a screaming my name and i'm like this very own ridiculous. Yeah you guys didn't really weren't that entertained. I laughed for. That is actually pretty funny. Especially because he's a brilliant person but but yet some of the new technologies doing my mom chief as time. She only gets like from up in the face. I'm like i don't understand you can see yourself in. That's just like we always make four internship to cheat. We we have. That kind of stuff actually scares me starting to get old and missing some of that stuff like that stuff starts to get out ahead and you don't know what's going on the record. My mom's like thirty nine home improvement nick with rpi strength of sex me. Apparently so i don't really check my instagram. And they put that. You guys put that video out of dad reading the report. Our strengths comments. Nick just sent me this screen shot and it's our strengths has awesome. Somebody says arpey strength. It's really not selfish to ignore your kid's at christmas pal. Don't promote it loser or your steroid had no kids tool. It's awesome boost productivity video like you realize we filmed this last week. Not ignoring my kids on a joke. You say people really sat inside that sad like all that stuff now with the right perspective is actually really cracks me facing somebody's sterling. You're just really just slight. Yeah that's just the frosting. Kids are not neglected. Those kids are loved and taking care of its august just spent an hour and a half trying to dig a hole lane. An old man. I love it actually. That's really funny though. That ad is really funny. Crisis were in on that one. Right ben yeah. Sweatshirt seniors wearing gone. I don't know where he got was good probably amazon. If i guess that's the most inflection ever heard him speak with to like a like yeah. Man camera can be stressful but he like like people just don't even know they're being awkward but they get a little bit awkward. Nothing senior always nails acting role. Yeah he did. Stop halfway through on tastes he. Does you know this one. Stupidest thing goes right back. Ask scott just reading the gainsborough's the stupidest thing i've ever read any. He looks i down. You just started going on the coleman it do. it's so good. I'm not making fun of monday. Saying this about your dad. Like when he's talking. He's although he's just brought macho man randy savage savage just pissed or if he's just getting ready bring the energy seventy sees domain anything. That's incredible you really is like if you start to think about like genuinely what he can make happen like when we put that fan in a i was there sort of helping in the bar noah and he did all that i was just thinking man if this was up to me. It's not happening not happening like it will kill somebody holly get it. Maybe but it's not going to be balanced for him to be to kind of do all that just show up and ninety incredible with that stuff. Anything make anything wood and then fixed pretty much. I wouldn't love love to like say. Hey senior i wanna make a christmas present for somebody like you. Tell me what we what can we do. And do you like a start to finish process. Like with what he does. because he's so. I would just like to see how his brain works and how he does it. Because you know it's like so streamed line and he's like he's attention to detail. Never come in shelf thing now is like i can. I can when i was a kid. He didn't really joked that. What did you teach me. But i did learn a lot from just being next to him. I just don't have the motivation to do a lot of it. rather patiently i've seen him like relic trysofi and wire and plum rain. I'm telling you can literally crazy is like. I can do that stuff if i had to figure it out but he the stuff like oh we need to do this. And he can write it up in his brain on how it needs to be built and i don't have that like if you give me the plan i can do it like i have those skills but this like the intangible skill of like hey dad we need this and it was like all right. Let me figure this out. I think about it as a dude. Like you always respect. There's other men you respect. The things are really good at the two dudes and in my world that our guys who don't like they don't talk a whole ton but they can make it happen or your dad billings. Those are two dudes dead. The jabber a whole lot. But you actually see what's produced right. You're like holy crap. Yeah speaking of matt billions. Did you see that fence stuff. You just made great yet. The voting firms that gate. That's really cool. Why are you getting newgate. Because they need to be one any little bit bit more heavy duty because the bison because they like to scratch their head on them to just looks awesome all eventually all those gates will look like and they look. It looks good. Yeah really more million and matt. I never even thought about until. I saw the gate and i was like. That's like the originally we wanted the bison and then the f. f. was in it and then now that we've grown enough that we kinda yes stands out enough and we've done at first. I was like. I will never do anything without the bison on it but now i kind of liked that standalone almost like a brand ran bison but yeah can't wait for yell on speaking my gosh. Jim jam like you're actually you. All three looked at me with this appointment. Hey you're going to have some time in the next couple of a lot too when you when you're doing that i just got to schedule it. I'm gonna have have one other opinion. Who's he's the predator shoulder. I'm going to see him next long. That's good kunz. Okay jake jed jeb kunz doctor. What orthopedic group is with vanderbilt. And then i'm gonna compare that to the elite guy. And then because i've heard they do two separate things okay and then we're done. I don't know i wanna ask to. Yeah i actually have an appointment with him to kind of it with him and just kind of see because there's three chimps head. I wonder still on strong. He's still he's best into into a vet. You're gonna have a bet. Do surgery to a guy that i really respect. And he's in he. His story was literally wounded in afghanistan and came down stairway on his shoulder. And he was telling me about amend the dude started talking about shoulder surgeries and. I really really talked him before. I met him in the copy shop and then he started talking about Goodson or coons. I think it's koons. I'm saying i'm sorry. Forgive me just how good he was. So i was like i gotta go check that out. I thought you meant veterinarian to like your going. Sorry a veterinarian. you're gonna have an animal dot echo gipper shortly dog. He's been standing in that whole all morning and every time you chuck shovel full of dirt. He disposes disposer. And then he's just like staring at the dirt in the past. Four hours has been standing. And that man. I really want read his mind by the tractor. Been pitching. Oh my god my dad's doing approx for me chip in and get his mind. Read i mean it's been this long lessons all chip in and do it. We need to know what. He's thinking. What i don't want there's nothing you she's gonna be like only about arabica. Delete is a giant rock daily life of gipper video. Probably pretty funny is yes iraq here. Here's a morocco. Have the rock. Hey should do the voice over you. Walking away okay. Here here here. How about how about this right now. It's girl dark hair on sure. He definitely gives you like. Hey you so dumb. I'm like don't believe gipper. Specialize all the pictures from gipper like they set us. He's very good. Dog is not dumb. That dog is brilliant. He's on the spectrum. Vont something special happening like good special was really cool a couple of times i would like running in and he runs with you and he stays right with you shake off. It's so funny. Like he. I when i was running on the field recently. He exactly what you're saying. Run out in front of me and turn around and be like hello. Are you coming and like wait for me to like. Knock it too far when you're used to having good dogs really good dogs. Working dogs are dogs at our house are worthless except for the love them but you love. They're worthless pretty worthless. But i don't know man he's like he's worked as he do well but i mean gilligan is man's best friend typical like he. A ten out of ten without gilligan is literally at ten on ten run with any of our dog. Couldn't like you can't even take him to the car. I can gipper. Yeah get raw. Even when like gipper just bust into the barn will just stand outside and be like can i come in allowed to come in. He doesn't house like gipper will open the door. Jumps somehow hits. The handle comes. Boston in and the door will be wide open. We'll sit at the sill like sweet can. Can i come in me. Can i if. I could be guaranteed. I could have a dog like that. I'd get another one right away just to have that in new zealand. They're like best as pretty. Yeah i mean he's never been to school or anything like that. We when we were until we had gipper it was because we have lakeland either it. Gill what we everywhere jim everywhere i could leave my truck running. I'd fold the seats up. He'd sleep in the back while we did whatever he went and so separation had a lot of time with him and i also beat him a lot as well. Sorry yes yes heavy-handed but he's a great dog like sick when you would leave. Yeah he would get separation anxiety. Still take my clothes. You wouldn't eat he'd puke off so that's why we got gipper. Little did i know. I i think for the first three years of his life. I contemplated everyday giving away. 'cause somebody else could enjoy him more and what was august. He's like i don't know i don't even know how to explain it gipper. Now he's like. Can i give our love. Your but he's he's still a lot but when he was a puppy dogs are supposed to bring in. People are gonna freak out dodgers supposed to bring value to your life and your obviously we were not good for each other in the beginning and so now. We're good but it's like some like like we want a really good animal to be in the flow of our life. Yeah not really which is a fair technically. It's like there's a curb in the beginning because their dogs and we've gotta train 'em and right now at my home. The best dog is a cat. That's a problem when you want a good talk. You know what i'm saying. They're good little dogs. the one of them. It just loves kristen. It's perfect and it's really appropriate. For being in the house. Let spanky spanky spanky and yogis getting a little bit older. But he's really. they're good dogs. Did you solve the cat saga by the way nope we just dealt with it. Let's say it's not i. It's not up for adoption. i'm not even joking. I'm poor kristen like when we went on the trip to the army that little kitten went into heat. Oh gosh involved and we had tried to earlier. We had tried to get her fixed earlier and we went to put her in the cat carrier and she went crazy. We couldn't catch her so so when we were gone it went into heat. And i was there the first day and so it was driving the other cat crazy driving the dogs crazy and then there were cats coming to our home two or three catfights on the outside of the house. Because that's the worst sound here. My wife works from home now. So there's this chaos and she's texting me while we're on the trip and i'm like and finally we had to have a conversation as heyman and look like i love you with all my heart and if i was there i would do it. Please don't. I don't know what i can't i'm not there. I'll be happy to try to solve a problem. We get home. We'll get rid of it so banal. Now it's like everything's fine and she's like yeah and they're like total buddies man. She's a sweet little catheter there. But it's just there's forelands take raglan riley because don't do that because in super expensive deborah cat spayed. Yeah like free. No no no no these people. We go to copeland hillary shoutout to dr baker at copeland dudes. Amazing cable raglan. Riley is not slight silly. You keep the cash for that hitting. Don't call pedo hundred eighty bucks this what it caused no longer. Hillary was no. My husband's gonna kill me giving you. That's what we did the laser and all those years are outside cats though seven fifty no acceptable strategy. That's crazy the that's that's crazy right. And then they were covered in when we got him back. Like hillary was booze. And then they're like you got to keep them in the house for two weeks and blah blah blah. He's outside cats. We put them in the a laundry room in there and after day one i was like this house starts cats so i got him out because cats is really. I've heard this story before. Enron super thankful copeland and. He's really good mind it was. It was going to be between two hundred and four hundred dollars. And i was like well. I'm not paying four hundred so walk me backwards on this consent sheet because two hundred twenty. I'm going to do so. Don't do anything else. Blood work nope doing any like this is a little risky. Kitty and i love it. But but when i do in four hundred seven hundred fifty seven fifty. Think about all the look. I'm not like the cats hadn't even been out of their frigging carrier like they were like. It was in their everywhere. Matted with shit. I don't wanna look like i don't love animals because they do. We go out of our way at our home to take care of animals in the attention but we will target that so but jeez fifty think about the people check. That's what this is what my dad does when he goes to the vet because he learned the hard way to like. We got my momma rescue. Katie long ago she wanted another cat. Well they if they get too soon. They it damages their insights. This this cat suddenly couldn't go to the bathroom so they had to like reroute away for the category. Dad gets a bill for like two thousand bucks news. Could've kept the cat could just state like you could whatever so. After that experience all worked out we still have dropped trucks. Great we just peace straight up in. The air as he walks also drives show literally. He'll walk by the front door doesn't do anything. Just a stream straight you're like. What did they do anyway. Chuck still alive and well and happy so now dad. He started employing this new system. He's like i know vets and this is nothing. It's i understand. They have like a pricing system and things but he's like next cat dog get sick. he's like. I'm going to go in there and i must say i have two hundred and fifty dollars if you can't save the animal's life or fix its ailment. Do what you have to says every single time it'll be like to forty nine or if he says it's five hundred four ninety nine and he's so and that's really actually the truth honestly when you go into a place like that that's all you want your animal more than anything. Most people you know. It's really crazy like be in all seriousness. You kind of have to decide what you'll and it's a challenge. Spanky would at this point because of who he who he is to kristen and what he means in our family in the quality that he brings to our life. I'm going to pretty much. Do whatever it takes within reason. There's definitely like i have. We've spent i sale that about We spent twenty two hundred dollars on shoulder surgery on this. Yeah yeah and when the time comes it's like it's like pride and joy. I can do anything. We've spent six thousand dollars on animals. Yes this year i. Gosh is this year this year in the this year. Three hundred sixty five days thunder six thousand dollars between all the little animals help so nobody hate on me or accused me. I'm trying to work it out here. I'll say truth with trying to figure it out but man at certain points you have to draw a line and kind of go. Well what will we do what we do. You know then reality conspiracy theory world rooms. Don't we got. I don't have any man. You're gonna watch the livestream yesterday of the electoral college casting their votes. I think they joe biden is going to win Watch the georgia. She can governor. Had like armed security at not allowing gop tours in the building. I actually tuned out a little bit. It's also going on wiser. Weiser's nothing happening about it. You know we'd like apparently like if all these boats and stuff for on camera being seen like thrown away on same way. Why is there nothing happening. Because you know what i mean like gift. This obviously like one hundred percent evidence like that that person or that was throwing away checkup perspective. You know how perspective right. I'm always trying to think about it in a different way. Rogan has a astronaut on and it. Yeah it's really cool. Podcast actually and it actually chunks of this that i actually want you to see. Because he's a he's a christian he's laid guy and so there are a lot of really amazing questions being asked about his experience in space. But this was really cool what he had to say. Think about your perspective having children how it changes your perspective at life this guy says going to space and looking down at the earth how small it is and how long it's been here. This is what he said. That really blew my mind. It's been here for forever and they'd science can date it right used to. He said this. When i used to. When i used to fly some place and then i would land back in texas in the united states. I would say him home. And then after i came back from space i landed in saudi arabia. And my brain said i'm home. I thought that was really powerful. And then he said as it relates to all this chaos and all the politics than all. That's going on when you get up there and you look down at that world and you go out. It's been here a long time and it's going to be here a long time and and there are things that we should be paying attention inside but we're not powerful enough to destroy all that and it's bigger than who we are as people and he said it's changed his entire perspective at at an power he allows politics and social media and all that to happen his life to be able to pull back from that and literally have the perspective of looking down at that planet. That was really amazing. That was really cool. Perspective is youtube video. That shows zooms out from earth and then our solar system in our galaxy or universe which galaxies all the other ones too. Downs crazy it kind of makes you think that same way like the things that were some of the things we give importance to and how we limit ourselves in this little crazy thing that we do like you getting off instagram and not dealing with all of that and not being lost in the middle of some of that and all the things we can do really back up a little bit and really execute based on what's important or do based on what's important. That was really cool. Because i can't imagine i'm not going to space. I'll never get that but anyways that's really cool but an hour. Yup that's about. Hey we do another one before christmas. I'm sure yeah so. Don't christmas yet. save it okay. We still don't like tennis. Can i say bah humbug. Yeah no oh a disclaimer. Actually going back to the first topic the wim hof method don't do it standing up or in the bathtub if looks them up and does it. Don't pass out in the bathroom. Yeah because i did in the bathtub obviously in the bathtub. The first time i did it was really cool. Is i was able to breath for three minutes and nine seconds before you west out in the backyard seizure but because that's not really well known. I think it's not really thank you. Yeah i saved my life these peace.

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Ep 131 - Wim Hof Joins

Going Deep with Chad and JT

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Ep 131 - Wim Hof Joins

"What's up guys? This is Chad. Kroeger candidate with going deeper chant. Jt podcast guys before it began owner. Maybe once again that we are brought to you by manscaping scape thank you so much for keeping our trends for looking after our hogs for making sure that even during the teen. We're looking fresh and clean so guys use code go deep twenty immense get dot Com. And I'm here with my compadres on Thomas would a boom club stoker's and we're here joined by legendary iceman Mr Wim. Hof thank you for coming onto the POD. Ooh I love getting the moves I started out this morning. I've been doing your your method for about a year. Now you're breathing your breath work and then This morning I took a nice cold shower and feel great. It's good typic- it works. Rea- better sense that we obeying gone into the signs showing that it actually very good to get a lot. Better control over the immune system and your moods had know no depression. All that old adage is gone so that that's because of designs the credibility and that had took over in the world. Why don't you get a credibility? Bill are able to take natural ways back a to them selves and make. Sunday feel the change. And then it's done. You don't need too many words to make it happen because feeling is the understanding. So go ahead. Jt Notre Gobi. Yes I thought we start the POD For people who don't know who you are familiar with your methods Could describe the Wim Hof methods and maybe have the journey started. I was young. I looked into the world. I so war abuse of power money driven people monetize alluding to world Sodomizing Noel and about becoming insensitive right. What's job and Ahmed? I will not be are of this. I'm going to have my own roads. I believe in happiness. Strengthen out dare you law alone. Seventeen years now. It is forty one forty four years ago that I want a low in a my philosophies debating with everybody but the trade of every day just keeps on running so I to android and be myself and how I could be myself. You take a cold shower and you are yourself you go into freezing water wash all the sense and the good deeds and everything anything you think you wash it away. It's GonNa 'cause you're not thinking you are and where you saw. You will find out that we have an incredible immune system in control when you are not aged as thinking conditioning of your mind buddy the way we are schooled and way we got alienated from our inner nature. If you are that suddenly your mood is able to be okay. Happy Positive Code on for fairly your dream Anything you got inside has no inhibition. That that is who you are. That is the way I've freed myself always with this feeling of be going into the call. Really the goal went into the cold met a Freebie of the contemporary ships the way brainwash us with advertising rump. Schooling's you've gotta the system and this is our days and days. Fuck you OUTTA here. I take cold showers. I am who I am one. I am according to Mother. Nature whom I deeply respect whom we showed in the world to not respect too much plastic in the oceans. Do much pollution. Uc Los Angeles right. Now the angels you can see them in. The Sky again is clear and transparent and great that is the city of Rangel's Rake Gills. When you look about up this car wow so. And so are many many places in the world. We got a little bit too far. Have something we have to land in our lives we think we possess it and we can abuses and that is wrong so. I began Santa Forty four years ago. My tribe my trail to be happy strong and healthy and to help the world to how will all living beings being vegetarian and Those Times was a strange thing. Yoga watchdog no reading. What's known nothing was no? It was all completely different began goes. I had a gut feeling and gut feeling I followed. That gut feeling brought me in connection with the cold water and at and at three me. First Time I went did he told me the insight visit without words. But that's the feeling zip is what shit get high on your own supply that it was almonds and when you get high or your old supply that the other day you are back to get a new shock and a new shot new shop new shop new shot down because of the goad into the cold freezing waters an alleged it. I began to understand that if I was breathing. Deep like I could change my chemistry inside and oppose the aggressive impact of the of the ice water. But what made you jump into the ice like what? How did you even know to do is got feeling alike in tragic? I was a seeker. See a soul searcher. Soul-searching begins in the hat. You Ask yourself you ask yourself you ask yourself you ask yourself and you ask yourself and you always keep on board and so is seeker becomes a binder and what I was seeking for was not in my hat. It wasn't my body by the tool to my body or that you get as a seeker you would become a find. You'll get the Sam's let you are seeking all and that makes connection and that connection goes through attraction and it was like crazy. Nobody did that those days. I sorta cold water with the freezing layer upon it and adjust when did found a and then I knew this is it. This is it this shut me up. Turns ME ON? Bupe that that's what it was. And that gave me all the motivation to keep on going twenty five years alone every day in every winter I developed these deep breathing exercises knowing that through deep breathing. I could shakes my chemistry. I became an alchemist. Actually we are all. We are all alchemists. We should be able to change our chemistry deeply with that and with that boosting mute sister and feel the power of the energy metabolic processes in the south at energy never shortage of energy. Never sick and always great feeling that. I think that's great so I took that Roach and still the world was and you have to do this. You have to do this. You have to do this. You have to do this this and just succumbed. Every job back to Colt mortar. 'cause that what. Ross make me able to become still in the mind. Adjust few that makes sense right. It's like you always say that the call does your teacher. And it's like hopping into that. The you know freezing watered forces your mind embodied to go into the present moment and then through the deep breathing you can It because you've been able to happen. The cold water stain the ice but also maintain a high core body temperature. Correct not yes even through the mind alot. I showed a brain scans lately Michigan. Detroit in brain scans to have cold water gumming who my skin and then just by using thoughts made the skin temperature not going down. That is the power of our minds that is not being taught in our schools. I learned it in nature because what I saw as the product of our school. In the way we have been brought up is a world we are exploiting sodomizing abusing in with our power to make money ball ball off. Bob Crazy I think that is praising and too. Many people still get sick too. Many people are depressed and nobody gives us shit though. I came up with natural ways. How to tap into the most valuable core values? A of Humid's which is happiness strength and waste and I showed it through the signs and wading. My mission is to bring this shit to all the people. They don't need to choose it but they are in front of a non dogmatic. Joyce you Wanna be happy strong and healthy. I got some tools. You WanNa use you gotta do it live right and so your method basically for for for everyone can use pretty much every morning. It's it's a series of can choose pretty much but for example. Three breathing exercises where it's thirty breaths in out yet. And then they hold their retain credit. So let me explain it. Three pillars one is about a shower. A day keeps the doctor away. I keep it simple. Just do it. It is the best vascular fitness you can ever imagine thinks about the vascular fitness. We forgot. It's it's like seventy five thousand miles of vascular channeling channels. We got a blood. Vessels got inside capillaries arteries veins and they contend millions of little muscles and the cold shower they contract an. Oberlin contracted open that means that the blood flow will be helped through and stimulated muscle towed us to go through the assistant. The seventy five thousand miles. I'm talking about and it goes back to old south's so with reaches the sells a lot better blocks with oxygen nutrients. Vitamins lifeforce itself gets better duties. Sells you've got more energy and heart rate is going down with twenty to thirty. Beats a minute twenty four hours a day that means stress is audited and that that is too cold shower then we got the breathing the breathing the first thing you do when you go into their ice cold water is yeah you learn to breathe day because when you breathe deep you. Jane's the chemistry. That's what we have show. We have shown to be able after. Doing the breathing exercises not be alot instructed and twelve people twelve and they could do it the same getting into the tournament nervous and the immune system thought off both impossible to influence by human will and now they wear robustly activated even so much that they received an injection with the bacteria and the bacteria could not do anything they had completely in control. This is about inflammation the immune system. We should be the boss over our immune system to fan. What should not be in our bodies and that is the virus and that is the bacteria when they begin to play up that is inflammation we should be able to be the firefighter do as they wish it. And that's a being done through the breeding techniques. How it all works? It's a whole book but Georgia this through these techniques which you can find on our website. There's a free APP and it works guys it works. I thank you job. Thank you J. J. T. J. Coffee. I need coffee. I make stupid jobs. Sing is for the guys who are watching really works and in France they say this shit works really dots and we got older university studies to prove that to get into your immune system to get the inflammation down. Even to corona virus. Any other virus or any bacteria is causing inflammation. We are able just very simple and effective to suppress the inflammation explanatory. Marcus through breathing exercises so I wish for everybody in the world and I always say the mother imbed duck wants to same as the mother in New York. They just won't spattered happy strengthen health or two children and I know how to gather adidas now because the world is living on sake people. The world is maintaining assistance. I don't want to be controversial at era but as gods turn to fog is we have to get back to the inner power. We are born with exalt air and the breeding techniques are able to reconnect oneself to the immune system. That is the house so we got the cold which is taken out the the stress. The heart rate goes down. Twenty thirty. Beats a minute system is stimulated so it is able to bring more energy? Oxygen nutrients vitamin stood cells. That is a lot more energy and distress. Goes Down that the call then. The breathing is able to activate effectively the immune system not only the immune system also the Ando cream sister. The Endo Green system is the hormone assist. It's good shit. It's like a dropbox. The and dolphins dopamine the nabet notes. I got from Amsterdam cannabinoid. This time. No sticky needed. You just get high on your own supply but also seriously for people with chronic diseases. This is the illusion your works on the same receptors is marijuana but it works on those without the the drug the like instigating engine yes so That's exactly why are indeed endo can canal system but that I just did the study and I showed it. This is a baber out at. It's all do. Science doesn't matter dangerous. Better breath we got this t-shirt. Excess Grease on the front side. Then you turn it around. Its as breathe model at Asset. Keep it simple take the dad. Gulch OUR DUDA deep breathing. And you get a hold of your immune system. You'll hormonal system. I you vascular system the way nature managed to be knocked away. The doctor boards out because if bring shit at breaks dependency of bills. Madison's and foles believe that they are able to cure us. We are built every body and born with the capacity to heal ourselves and notice that so With the breathing exercises I. I've been doing them purely through nose. Breathing is. Is there a raw right or wrong way to do it? Is it better to go into the nose after the mousers? Just kind of just breeze nitro is evolved when you a to open up vacates more and that is like relaxing by. That's through the nose but in the end People come up with the strangest technical little details why we APPS showed seven years ago for the first time in medical science to go deeply into the autonomic nervousness and innate immune system of inaccessible by humans up till that means two hundred years of scientific scrutiny research written down papers drop that suddenly they say a complete shift of the paradox shift of the perspective of what unions are capable of in their own bodies that that is what we are shown I so that is seven years at little details. You know people ask me a bridge we do. Id to do my read through the industrial to one or the other or their the amount of the Bali out there just order diet. Hey I don't care get it in just doing just breathing get it all in and let it go get it all it allowed to go and joked we wear the first ones in the university showed up and with that we changed fundamentally the capacity of humans to tap in to the deepest of their physiology at will as so detailed. If you feel better doing it through the nose or the mouth at does not really matter. I am even able to breathe through my ass now through my ass man. But you don't want me to show. L. We do we do that. Sounds like Brillian concert thing is anybody could do it but I will never ask you. Can you show me you as breathing mood your heads under the water in your butt sticking out forever? It's not even Ed's with thousand people. Okay let's do old as breathing a lot. What about the whole the? What can you free that of your beautiful? Oh yes I think. A whole lot of things are possible. 'cause they are court so-called called tournament and autonomic nervous system controls for example the heart rate. And that you still are breathing when your consciousness not dead in the night when you sleepy so there are also muscles in my dig able to open up yes or no but only we have never learned in our school how to open up our be. All we never did get bolder. That's the next frontier. I can't wait to start doing that. I said to be breathing if you had sex and you do a you are like exhausted. A you do debriefing for ten minutes. You like to go for a run again is fully that because you influence they are modal system. I leave Ascot assistant and win. The blood flow comes into the Dick Becomes talk like a rock. And now you've got the endocrine system. The seam in this Cemon is all about or molds liquid hormones vascular it the blood flow and told their little baddeck. It's old and we have the control. It's amazing just DAB is a great podcast absolutely online. They said they got the most questions of people asking the most frequent question. I gotTa Love Lines too. Low a bigger load so I think people they care this car. I can stay easily for two hours and is water only after that. It's very difficult to detect mind little penis because it's gone but when it comes back it comes back through noticed same. Outta here in. You're based in the piece I love. It did awesome about life force if you are able to smile at to laugh and make jokes down all serious shit is outed. I that is mastery over the mind. Let's call it. Sounds to have boehner problems. If they were to incorporate the cold showers and breathing techniques could solve it. What like erectile dysfunction? Oh yeah yeah I hope so. Many I mean they helped in the Ed help themselves but you know when the Dick is too small there is no live in it. That way you get into the freezing water is even small and and that it begins to ship did what? What does this Outta Boom Nice? He's got stress it with the cold water. They'll comeback slowing like. It wants to punish you something but then you party should then he will never punish you anymore. I feel when my self esteem is low. I think it gets smaller. Like genuinely I think. There's like a correlation so get a two two breeding water. What are you get a agreed penis? And and then you don't. You don't statues degree yet. Antiquities fetuses like circles. You see a couple of settles yes. It's like a retractable when you run. You should not aft- meter because it's painful. When you Ron red those everywhere it should go in and that is what the goal wanted us but when you get when you get out that your veins are dilating again and then the blood flow is really able to get it. I really advise you to get into freezing water. You're you'RE GONNA love it you've got not only gonNA love it because Pena's is going to be just johnny straight but Ulchi vascular system. Your self esteem is going to be way awesome. I did it last night. I took it ice bath last night in preparation for this I will go my Mama like two. In the morning. She could supervise and I went into the ice and was it was great. I love it. I did the breathing for the first time blew my mind. I got a little light headed but then I saw you doing it with other people realized that was par for the course than I did the ice bath and I felt phenomenal. I mean also just because like I did it. I was like man. I can't believe I did that stuff. That's so wild but it was like I think I'm gonNA keep doing that. Is PART OF HAVING SELF? Esteem is feeling great. Yeah for sure the mind body connection is GONNA ask. Are you afraid of getting a Corona Virus Rotavirus so Gerona viruses inflammation inflammation Clamato remodels and they are called interlude keys? You got there is one. I'll I'll egg. I'll eleven into Louise Flammer Tori Marcus. That what causes the inflammation? The damaging factor in corona virus. Those markets are just mentioned. We are able to these breathing techniques to bring them down. But it is like when you when your house is on fire when when it begins. You're able to get a down. This is what they're breathing techniques. Do then you could draw it but once it is all by it that it's difficult to even extinguish hundred firefighters dot. Does the older ever. I don't wait until it is too late. That data is a great frost. Don't wait until it is too late. That is what the GARONA VIRUS. Don't wait until the planes are at perishing completely and then you go to hospitals. No before it all happens. You got symptoms. You feel bad you feel off you feel no good that you do debris and the breathing exercises. We have showed into university being able to fend off. The bacteria air a reaction under immune system insight causing fever in controllable shivering headaches. All over agony all that they could draw 'cause when it began they came in with the breathing exercises and those breathing exercises come up with a adrenaline with a and that makes the inflammation go down. That's what we have. They should all the people in the world shoot notice and it is logical. We are not born with incapabilities in lives. We are born with the capacity to take down that what bothers us. Is it not logical though back to the nature keep doing you keep doing the call backs? It's going to help you a lot. Jd is going to help you a lot ring at a fun. Fun and good tax and good self esteem. It's all joyous lights. You should be smiling and happy and feel great. That's it that's Mother Nature. I love that mandate Rhoda virus and any other virus and bacteria ups. Hey Man I am into universities into the mainstream gotten. Millions of people are taking up because they see the system and the system is locked down and kills accuracy less people that a normal flu of every year. And once you get the vaccine that still sixty thousand a year you die still a noble virus at the will vote. Flu Virus. They just making money out of ours. I were a stupidity and we are not stupid but stupefied and I say to people. Learn to control your own your own immune system and you will be sold them. We got the studies. We are showing it. It's no speculation about it and I tell you day person in Asia in the Middle East in America in South America and you're in South Africa. It's only one thing they want is happiness at how and we have shown how to do that through breathing techniques and go into the damn cold shower to train our vascular system the blood flow the vital forest and to be the alchemist to be able to change the chemistry deeply inside of every body. And everybody is able to do that. They'd call me did superhuman like the iceberg this that I sat flab you. Everybody is able to do this. And that will show to give me a bunch of people a bunch of people who are not training and a bunch of people who are going to train with me like four days and then they were able to tap into tonic nervous system into the immune system receive bacteria not begun sake and the other group control group all became sake in my group one hundred percent. Nobody became sick and got up in the world but the money wants are sick. They want be dependent on doctors on pills on medicines 'cause it makes trillions and trillions and trillions they in favor for a healthy economy on sick people. It's a sick woolmer and you have to bring sanity. Insanity comes out of your heart. Outta yourself esteem. I'd of your being here now and bring it to the people. Let's all together wake up. Wake up to something that we are born with to be happy strong and healthy or to be happy which is control over the or modal system shown in university studies to be healthy show in Through the control of the immune system and distract the amount of energy and metabolic processes in south to have control over data. Much more that you'll get used that is who we are but they. They brought us age of schooling. That is serving a system that is killing the world. That doesn't give a shit dude. Welsh doesn't give a shit twos a lot of children. In war it is insensitive a couple of assaults who think they can control our bonds but not by and I got that and I began whereas when I was seventeen or even earlier I began to take. This doesn't add up doesn't make sense. I believe a lot. I believe in happiness and strategy and then traveling excitement all the good things of lots and what their shit hits the Fan Diseases Noble about cancer and he is depressed and that is that is the way things go flock you. I go to make a James. I do it together with guys like yourself right together week. Our able to make the change at think. Important thing you're saying is that the natural way for human beings like our natural state is strong happy and healthy to You know the victim to Agassi. The I duNNO I. It's important to remember that. That's the natural way at about. It's like meditation. They oh I meditate for half hour odor. Oh No should meditate twenty four hours a day. It's a natural state of your mind to be tranquil. And completely stresses being because you are good. Draw that that that is your natural state. Then you don't need to sit somewhere and think of nothing. No I got my thoughts in draw when I watch power when I use my power lime abled just by the power of that thought to fans off stress in my body I've shown this in a brain stance and in blood prove an bacteria injected at dreux. How much do they need to get a to get into their hat to understand that? All of us are born with the power to bring happiness strengthen L. or without control immune system deregulation of energy fields in this L. And the hormonal system is there. It's there and so now we have a talk. Your I was looking at your Was about beaks of this week. You see I got beat with the society. I got beat with the ignorance. I got beat with injustice. I got beef with exploitation sodomizing to planet. That's what I got always might be but I also questions with my own son but I can be only man to to dance because what he goes clash on and we love each other. We are great together and by most ridiculous beautiful. Jude's they'll be my young son eastern half years at such a such A. Yeah I mean the job of lives Stardust Darius and it overwhelm moves any kind of experience I which shaped me up into my ego. My Understanding Wisdom. Yes or no. It doesn't matter is which is so fresh. It's much stronger. It just blows me away that there. I'm just struck out. Wow so that that goodness we all are born with that goodness. Where does it go wrong? We will make it right and I'm at university. Studying is competitive university studies to do that so there is no bloody speculation about it anymore. We just if build a choice to be happy strong and healthy that we bring it up. We got a feeling of justice. Like that's your work you'll digs out. Step makes sense to have sense to share it share the love and the insides in a funny way. Nice a lot and I love it. What did it I feel like when you start getting the scientific proof that your method was working that you're able to influence your immune system endocrine system. Yeah that was two thousand seven together with Dr Ken calmly and that was a New York. I just had done a ice racket to staying in the is for when have our something and then the other day. I went to win institute Biochemical Institute. They the blood while I was doing what I'm doing as the ice. And then they soul that blood a later. We got a results. They saw me influencing deeply into vegas news and that was thought of impossible humans but now they had blood proof so they blood proof and Ed Donahue Colby with the results is that to me. Wim If you are able to wrap reduce what you have showed this biochemical institute when they do kill you doing what you are doing. Then that would be a huge rented for human men God and he was open or being investigators therein. Dr Ken Calm Bay was open. And it's a our rage. Allot of diseases could be out. If we only would be able to control the Vegas and yes I know and I need as we are able to reproduce this to to make other people able to influence likewise into the Vegas Directly Bang. Yes I can do that easy within a half hour I I sat. Maybe Jake's the week maybe a ten days I took four days and now Jake's a half hour a half hour to bring people into influencing enter the vegas entity autonomic nervous system into the go and injured. The IPE is part of the brain thought inaccessible. Feeling DEPRESSION KILLING PSYCHOSIS OR SCHIZOPHRENIA. Or anything because we have an absolute sands of control inside. That's the way we are built. I only use deep breathing because the deep breathing doesn't miss the deep breathing is the way we all it gets into. I will conditioning allows our shallowness. It gets into this depth and it connects source because it is us who is breathing. We are protecting consciously done with those d parks and suddenly we gained control. That is like the baby. When is bored? There's nothing wrong with the lack of the baby but the neurological pathways are not set. And that's why it's not able to walk. We have data used our deep potential but when we become adults like we do and we use the deep breathing than a almost instantly we are able to a to have age connection with the deep systems of the immune system and decreases. Best SYSTEM LYMPHATIC SYSTEM. That means actually all the systems all at will is launching. You see this is through the breathing. Yes through your breeding That's the way that's the thing we gotta bring to people and you got number three pillar number three's the sex so debris ding is a little bit explained. The very effective to be able to connect with deeper systems told off Possible to connect with by humans to battle disease and to battle our mood. Disorders effectively buries it takes a high powered guys. Just do you know. And if you don't believe it just do it and done. Don't believe it because feeling is understanding that weren't you feel? I don't need these works to convince you. We are just having a talk here. A great job conversation in that about life about a potential Deepa potential to break through the surface. That's why we do a podcast. I guess we bring you to so many more people. We are not bloody egoists to keep it to ourselves. We bring something good to all of you and if you still don't believe it then that's okay. There is no duck night. This is no religion but this is a forgotten depth. A forgotten potential. You got possibly within yourself and we found two key. You better make use of that key. It's for free and enter the temple of your own big amazing yes with the mindset when he when you're for example when you're injected with extra toxin what is going on in your mind not to mine the RUB intention out they go to a gonNa jam bacteria inside of my system. I gotta I gotTa do something. You don't even think you are determines. You are focused. You're not thinking about your wife Your Body Your House. You serve both the another wave coming in or the bike which is Jamming up your door so you go out. You're not thinking about those days. You know the bloodied bacteria's going I make Jamaica mess out of your feeling your well being your blood flow your chemistry. You're GONNA feel fever. Had eggs all over. Agony muscle aches at Adra. And you don't want that so that's your mind. Your mindset is should I got paid. I'm going to be a baby. I won't bait. It's like a mantra. No pain no pain. No pain no pay in silence. Repetitive power intention. You really engaged yeah. That's the mindset and for those the third pillar in the methods is mindset and the mindset consists of one thing you have the power of your intention and with that intention you are able to do a to do whatever comes from your subconscious to fulfill your Dream Your subconscious. Your dream stakes. You'll Beijing quest. You'll vision quest as inside you. That is a natural thing. It's not me it's insight you you've got to find out for yourself but know that your taught is able to connect with within your mind. It is like you owner and better learn you own your own mind now go necked with your own mind and make you'll thought able to connect with the depth of your own brain seat of the mind and fool fail what you are. Am for your Burgers your dream a beautiful mind you are beautiful and invent things become ugly then got it then go to the toilet shit it out or do something strange shit out because you are beautiful minds. It's like if you if you feel the depression or anything coming on. Get moving again. The cold get breathing. Get even get to control over your own system. We take in. In the case of depression. It's dopamine Serotonin. Uptake is stop. You need to get hold a revision. A reset button go. Cd R L. All lead to depression. I bring back your monal ballots inside my own brain. If you go to the doctors they just killed the symptoms. They don't go to the course you yourself know out to go to. Gorse and effectively a find a kill a out balancing. That's you the inner doctor made use of the inner doctor through the breathing through the cold. They have shown in university studies. Don't begin to Philosophi- about it. Just do it. It's done. They're thinking that is done. You just do it or maybe you like to stay in the depression. That's all to you. It's okay you grappled. Have you grappled with depression before US lot a lot of times? Lotta Times but now I'm laughing about my depressions. My depressions got depressed. This that I I want to be a no longer with. You do feeling good. I'm Outta here. Don't you stop me? Don't you stop me because the defer to get the fuck? Outta here in communion with yourself you fucked up and you know it and you get out get out get into the gold shower. Because then the thinking stops the thinking stops in India called the deeper part of the brain where there is no thinking and the depression is caught. is is controlled by the thinking brain. Right it's not like the cigarette a digital or any other addiction. It's always through the thinking brain a large around us. You make it your persona you you think you artists the one with the cigarettes the one with the depression. The one with the grease but where you learned to disconnect that and that's what you do through cold showers you bright you take out the thinking then you get into the deeper part of the brain because you don't like to smoke you don't like to be depressed and you don't like to be in grief but you don't know how to have that disconnecting power within your own brain which got conditioned through this behavior and now. I tell you you get into the damn cold shower you wash it up. You wash off dissuades. No I'm not into Catholic conscious because his shit I'm into elements of nature and the call is Alabama agent and it helps us. It's amazing it's amazing. What the coach our dust. I just took a cold shower before getting on with you guys. Aren't those shipment. This is just bloody rate after forty four years. The colder still me up. Hey you little shit. Don't think B B Beer and it always does the same beautiful trick tricks my mind to shut up and I'm here and afterwards feel great. You know why because the thinking stopped and being there is always great. Yeah what's your go ahead. Jt now you got a. You have a question based on that. No so what? What's your daily routine like? What's your diet like? How do you sort of go by your day? And how do you incorporate this day restriction? That's what I do. I never eat breakfast no lunch later in the day. So that gives me like animals. You know animals. They have no supermarkets and groceries around. They have found a day feeling urge to go find. Food is when there is become bigger their adrenaline begins to. Raj because they have to find that to become more alert. That is a neurological reset in the body. It's safe. It's a simultaneous move. Not only to find food to be sharper to see more but also to notre lunch ago reset and that we miss out always 'cause we got supermarkets everywhere we don't follow out feeling we follow our doors. We think we need to have breakfast then. Launched maybe in between something then in between something you're done and done a dinner maybe after dinner a desert and go to sleep and digest and on the other day again and leave. Your Buddy sometimes flew without food that it's able to become A. It's a beautiful neurological renewal every day. That's what I think. That's what I take everyday. I WanNa feel the appetite. Feel the meal GonNa take. It's going to be great not because I think but because I'm angry because I apple talks that makes raw being okay. That's one that to exercise. I like to exercise. I like to do. I took cise. Are Dole feel big coming in then even a little bit more almost masochistic by exercise and going into the goal coach hours. They are always there and the breezy tomorrow but example the freezer will go into the freezer. It's minus twenty five Celsius which is back battery. Vira is very cold far deep Than the thirty one degrees the freezing. I gotTA freeze. I'm going to run a short inside or a one hour one an hour and yet not so tomorrow so I'll be running like a ten miles in a deep freezing temperatures. That's tomorrow big. Why because I like it because I love it because I like to to do this shit out of myself. You know to be on top of it. Hey I show. I'm sixty one. I can do. Stop Man that. Is that dangerous dangerous? I like it. I'm I'm in love with the danger and dumps to me and beads me Love it I love it. That's tomorrow so that that that's trading willing to be today muscled trading yoga trading. Whatever you know some flexibility splits at any term against down one anytime you the splits. Gammon easy doesn't easy does can do it. Yeah let's do you do it. You skill tra- Now. You gotTa tell the camera down a bit Chad. Going GOTTA get. Yeah whoa where world? That's as far as I can go. Oh man it. Wow I got three fourths of the way women. That's what's so great about you. If that anyone cynical about your methodology you literally are a like your described as an extreme athlete on wikipedia. Like you're just a you. You have so much you can do with your body. That seems I'll do. I'm a normal dude. But my believe goes deep. My belief goes deep and my my man with a mission. I told you in the beginning I think we have to bring happiness strategy that health into the world that was on the the the greatest core values of the world. If you a happy you have to do you know. How do you say this this possessing more? Go into more to beat out of her petition without us. You don't have that because you feel happy you you are okay. This I wished for every mother in the world to bring to their children. Every mother and father actually wants one thing to have. Their is a guarantee for the children's safety prosperity. They're happy to strengthen out and this is what I want to bring in a normal guy by the deep believe in doubt they add one centers. Yes AARON COPS. Be Happy Strong Healthy. The rest is Bullshit. So let's not take on bullshit and walk around with the ads because we pile up. All these believes in these strange things we learned and all these regulations and sadly we are having. We don't feel so good animal. Feel light not dot feel light not very simple yes can talk about some of your feats as well like you climbing Mount Everest Barefoot. I did a lot of Beth witcher. Thanks and Dr. Did the Mount Everest in Globes I with oxygen and Dan Without Oxygen Justin clothes and then I thought hey man I go without close at Without obsolete and then I came to the death zone seven thousand five hundred six hundred meter which is like twenty three twenty four thousand feet up there. I had a good job and they are there unless I had no problem. What's up stove? We are able to do much without out. Did it cut out for a second third show Maybe a little bit. Yeah what did you say happened at the summit? I'm sorry don't know what's not at the summit. I want most of the way up that I had to re because my left for food was saying. Hey go around because it's no good ad Now it's all okay up there. I'm crazy but I'm not an idiot. I don't go on if I see it's really not good button one. I say what I stayed with everything I do. Is that we as humans are able to advocate control fodder deeper and far more than a thought possible by sites we got to wake up to our true potential that potential is very able to maintain happiness straggling. And how in our bodies that that that is what it is. What does this Sherpa say when they saw you barefoot? Amazing respect religion is bad as bad as good ass. Wait I just so pictures of my ass. A deal all filmed like twenty five years. What us I advertised August muscle. I got a little tiny but I'm trying to get bigger. I think I've been training so much with my ass than I'm able. You don't want walnut you don't want Walnut of course. Yeah but in Salads rack a wall not with my ass muscles away you. You're out of what I do is do have too little shelves between about my what takes and a get their walnut in between. And then I just use my muscles and you hear a wreck you can call me the nutcracker. You actually do that if I got on. An Youtube could become viral. I think yeah I really want to do it now. Yeah and really. I got a beautiful ice and a very muscular. I mean it is strong strong like a piece of rock that fires me up. Speedy is or something I don't know. Yeah that's great man. Yes good ask talk talk. We always got to ask covered. But it's a beautiful visa beautiful to. Oh absolutely then you cross the is it the name. Maybe Desert Namibia. Nabi desert phone marathons with water and together with the physiologist measuring me. I lost five point. Two leader awarded. But my call Buddy. Temperature remade to say that was more than remarkable. That is a control that is inside the had it showed control the cold. But ultra the heat ducts. We can call it. Control over. Temperature process this mechanisms inside the brain related to the body. Yes and Control mechanisms of temperature. They also control the impression. It's in the same area hypothalamus deregulation when it is there. You have no control than you will suffer a desert Ron. Without drinking or you will suffer hypothermia in a C- freezing St- environment like bianca polar circle in winter running insurance so normally because we wear clothes all the time we went closer to have we never stimulate our bodies to be able to endure and to control temperature differences. We don't we don't have that but I been. I exposing myself so many times in a in an unnatural powers up the cold and and alter the heat this case that my buddy knows how to control their with. My Buddy migrate an end that brain a day. The amid Ray. That is the place where you learned to regulate it and you a moot goes when you go to goal. That's mood man that's emotion. You learned to control so whenever you feel stressed could be by bacterial Amatori stress. It could be a viral. Anything causes deregulation of the roads inside the brain then you are able to regulate it. Only have to a connect with those mechanisms. You like everybody. I come back to baby. Nothing wrong with the legs. Were the baby. But it's still not able to walk because the neurological pathways are not set dust. This same way we got. We never are trained in our schools how to use the mid brain only cognitive appropriation brain. Shallow great the kneeled cortex but not the mid brain the LIMBIC system. Does we have no control over our emotion. We have no control over. He took a cold over disease. It's all day now. My teachings are very simple very accessible and very effective. It's not mine. It's of modern nature and everybody is born with it these podcasts. They bring awakening to people. Oh is it. Ultra mean oh it is accessible within a half hour that is not possible you better get that conviction out of there because it is yours one. What Is Yours? You should be able to know how to wagon through his breathing techniques under cold showers and keep at it. You will get the mastery over your mood of your of your immunity over your energy. And that's what you want you happy and healthy be guaranteed for yourself. Then what else would you like? Collateral owners. You've got alright. Lit a bit more is great and gratitude for a dull is amazing because when you learn to feel yourself in into the depth of yourself then you will be struck by all about the miracle you are and you're beautiful mind that is able to control all their. It's amazing live is amazing so we should feel amazing and great we are. I love it. That's about a unlocking human potential. Yes when you had sex Breed ten minutes more again Woah. Goes AGAIN RIM? You'RE HORNY DID EDDIE. Yeah get me Horny Women can ask you some quick questions and just get your take on these things. That's called pickens. You just pick one or the other and I'll throw you some questions very quickly. Does that work? I E extension cords are envelopes extension courts or envelopes extension course goes envelopes is pay per papers trees. We down too many trees so coat and lose the extension Gore said S- plastic trees are bees. The base the base pollutes abomination. Comes through the nutrients will got so bee's Kellerman Jaro or Everest. They have both mountains. I think keenum general is better is a to get them. Jerry Gold from the tropics to heathen today you know all the temperatures all the climates from the tropics. You go to the Arctic so you see everything and you can do with so many people and that is what I love so. It'll Jaro dancing or hugging dancing dancing. Good dancing is good. Hugging is also good. But you know they say. GimMe a fucking Rona That eats I. I do a double. I do a double A. Begin to dance with the people hugging them. So much. Because Fucker roanoke lying about and of course people but a normal flu takes more takes more. I think coronas killed more people than the regular flu. What what I think coronas killed more people now than the regular flu sixty thousand a year seventy thousand in the US. Already seventy thousand okay. Seventy thousand be as good if that is happening in the beginning when it is all happening the the flu general because the will prom new viruses and then they have to come up once again. WanNa have here to to get vaccine. Asian blood yes. Before that all habits people should learn about his methods to take this on the breathing and a goal to boost their immune system and then when the flames of the displease a calming inflammation the flames. I called then. They are able to extinguish them all of them now. Being healthy is definitely a good way to deal with an an prepare a bhirer. We'd is beer but I don't take neither of them anymore. Now there nope not anymore. Now when did you stop totally okay with that? I mean I drink a drink Right now is that what? You're out of the bottle and Mariah Carey or Whitney Houston Whitney Whitney Houston Mariah Carey. Mariah Carey makes a big BOOBS. Windy us she got a great smile. Vote a regular girls. I actually Nice Girls Nice girls they know how old is but I think I like my wife. Best Nice Nice. It's really nice sweet You WanNa do questions or you got more. I think I must say questions are. So when will you help us answer some of our listeners? Questions are this wounds from Gary a little long. Good Day my dogs. I come to you in need of advice as you both know quarantine can be however one positive has been spreading has been spending quality time chilling and knocking back a few brews with my siblings on Friday nights. At our last latest kickback. I received some interesting Intel eleven to paint the full. Pick three dogs quickly. You See. I'm the oldest of five kids. I am twenty four back in my mom's crib for the key to it to next of kin are in college above twenty one us three or the ones crushed timbers in the kitchen together on Fridays. We live in the northeast. So it's not nice snap It's not nice enough yet to be outside. The two youngest are in high school. The youngest usually attend to teaching kickbacks to drinking something like a Seltzer water. Schweppes I digress. The night of the news my youngest borough. Let's call him. Frank decided to skip out on the kicker to play war zone with his boys and typical tenth grade fashioned four district chillan laughing up sharing stories from the past stokes. Can I tell you something I heard about frank? My senior sister says we let her speak. I was at Emma's girlfriends. I was at Emma's her girlfriends. Enter sister me. The frank has sex with his girlfriend all the time. When he has a huge Weiner we go silent jaws drop what I say not knowing how to react. Yeah I told MOM too. I didn't know what to do. She wants you to talk about it. We all cry laughing from the whole situation on. This is a secret knowledge. How do I go about the sex talk with my younger bro Chad? Did you ever talk to you about the sacred deed? How did they? How could they have talked to you about it? In a way it would have kept you. Stokes but also stayed cautious use protection to be respectful. Jc Your parents ever talked to you about this. Admire how open and honest. Your mom is with you about everything if she gave me impactful advice Levy. Here's examples of what I should bring up. Lastly I congratulate him on the hot. I have no experience with the big piece as I am. Also a member of the small dog committee what we went on TV and said we had small dogs Because we do we wanted to de stigmatize having small penises. That interests me talking about swim. Maybe this week's guest will have a greater inset inside on the bigger Pena Aspect of the question can provide some on how to address that as well Did that make sense swim? Yeah so a lot a lot about sex. We have been talking about a delay or you like force. Not that is what makes the ease. Your Life lifeforce. Don't be a Dick hot with the big Weiner and getting off begun you will not you will exhaust yourself a going with the life. It's out every day and feel great at that. That is that is something to go and I a long time that where I was alone like twenty five years. I was very much along with my own practices but I felt good good about what I was doing. I was related to myself. I found it to myself I was not comparing with nobody and there was no need to compare myself because I felt good. Learn to feel good. You your self not by comparing with others by by learning how to connect deeply within an with that you will beat any penis any length any Weiner an annual winner so yeah I a Gotha that for this kid His his younger brothers having sex right in he. He's trying to figure out how to talk to him about it. Yeah you just want to make sure it's been safe with a big Hog Goff. What one said for love? Start to yourself bread at the yourself. Because it's there we have been a looking too much To gv the way they advertise things the way you are dressed the way you can sell paints and promise a whole lot and we think the way we look. That is the way we are. We ARE NOT. We have genuine feelings inside and they are great. We are not the that's what they do not school us in. It's always something out there by inside day. You can get a hold of yourself. No I some Dade that makes you go and make you salvage theme go down. That is not the way to go. You get a hold of yourself and stay within yourself and develop their from. That's the natural way. And then you will be winter yet. Weiner Weiner as a learn to love yourself unconditionally. Into this kid. Don't seek validation through sex in boning and do it for love. I'd say yes I would say when he talked. I can't remember anything specific. My Mom or dad really told me about sex. I think if I was just trying to sound cool about it they would. My Dad would just be like that's not cool Meaning like if I was trying to be like yeah I just WanNa Bang and stuff like that my dad. Just Gimme kind of like a I roll in. That was enough But but but a more substantive talk. I don't know if we ever really directly had one and I I I would say or maybe we were always having but if you're going to talk to your brother about it. I would just be honest with him to be like. Hey man it's cool that you're having sex but don't don't forget to be safe because I know when you're young. It feels like you can get away with everything but there are consequences to our choices and if that doesn't resonate with him a good move is always to just make up a story about a guy or if you have a real story about a guy who got caught up in a mistake like that and had to pay the price like you know if you have a friend from another school who got his girlfriend pregnant and then he couldn't take his basketball scholarship to Gonzaga because you had a kid and then him and the lady ended up getting divorced and and it was a bad road it might scare them straight a little bit so and then you know. My parents always made up stories like that. They'd be like you know when you're playing with fireworks like Emma friend. Reggie lost two of his fingers playing with fireworks and you're like okay well. I'm going to let this firework. Throw it away. Quick not hold on to it for too long and just got you know. Give them kind of a homespun fables that will that will knock some some wisdom into my brother told me one time in college. Actually he's like he's like just make sure you get tested. You don't want that embarrassment announce enough for me. Yeah Be Real. Be Real straight up yet. Maybe it doesn't even really matter what you say. Or what should we just have the conversation? And you'll figure out a way to connect with your Braille. Yeah yeah do and I also this guy you can use me. I've heard peas and Yeah where a condom verbis fees. Oh yeah get into the cold. Shower actually have kind of a little outbreak right now. So I'm hoping it'll help. Thank you when it's it's like they mute system older active immune system. Yeah that it is and you bring it down due to breathing techniques get into culture our and make it go lead. Lower the stress. How did not get heated? What's up stoke tater chips? Thanks for keeping PODS COMING DURING Q. Teen so flag of you guys Banesto Grierson's like summer twenty seventeen such as simple time. I have a question for you. All about how to not get heated lay. The smallest things have been able to get to me during Cortisol and I've been getting way too heated way too quickly. Do either of you have techniques to calm yourself to maintain stove. Or maybe like favorite meditation or just didn't hit by trying to drop fad bag right now in this short tempers mouth also shout to new beautiful sweet soul. Thanks Rob yes duty. Breathing do three or four rounds of breathing. Then your mood is completely passive ours. Yeah Dude I wrote this. The other day was thinking about like how often I can go down Like emotional pads that that I ended up not regretting but being like all. That wasn't the right way to go but I just felt like I couldn't stop it and so I said we try to be self aware to make good choices but there are forces bigger than US inside of US weirdly. They'll always take us into places we regret. That can be hard for other people and what we do. Is We recognize it as soon as we can. Sometimes after an hour more likely after years and then we cry and feel the realization of misdirection in our new awareness. In all its transformative power and go forward with new knowledge better than before and to until a new slipstream ceiling confusion in need pulls his back into the beginning of the SEHGAL. I think you know. Sometimes you're going to have a temporary for a couple of months and the fact that you're already aware of it is really good. It's it's maybe giving you like a little bit of space to not let the temperate you before you get it and I think it's okay if you're getting fired up a little bit right now just realized that. Obviously you're going to have better luck with your life if you're not getting fired up but it's hard to get a little fired up. Yeah and uh see it as a symptom. You'll mind is asking for something it asked at age. Get back into this control you into this moods which is balanced which is a feeling okay. It's a great opportunity. The quarantine thing to be told as he tried to learn about your own mind. You should be in control that it is that is simple a controlled mind as your best friend. Nothing control is your worst enemy so now is the time. It's a unity to get a to load. Get a hold over the mind in any condition any situation so there it is yeah it just breathe breathe mother. Pucca dude breathe getting a cold. The coldest morning. It's the best part of my day. You come out just it works. Yeah our last question moral conundrum. What's up challenge? I'm from San Diego on the East Coast and love listening to the pod to keep in touch with so cal. I usually keep my stroke up pretty high. Recently I've been placed in a moral conundrum. I love my girlfriend fairly show with their roommates. My girlfriend and I always had a suspicion that one of her roommates. Let's call her. Brooke cheats on her boyfriend but never had like hard evidence to confirm just as quick background. Broken her boyfriend Dating for almost five years now so it's a pretty serious relationship recently. My girlfriend told me that she found out Hadn't slept with another dude while I'm not close to Brooke's Boyfriend at all. We do have mutual friends. I don't WanNA bring awkward negative to my girlfriend's apartment but also hate to see Brooke just like that especially because the dude is generally good dude who seems to be blindly in love would appreciate some advice on whether to intervene or just let nature happen. I mean dude. I just don't think it's your place you know what I mean. I understand why you're frustrated in a Does suck to feel complicit in ally especially when you're not doing wrong but you feel like you're doing wrong now just through like omitting the truth to people but it's her relationship. It's his relationship. They have to come to an on their own time. You can't God and and and throw yourself in there. I think it's it's worrying about stuff. That's that really shouldn't be in your in your universe. You just got to focus on you and you just make a grateful. Just let it make you grateful that you and your. Jeff don't do that. Lamela what do you think should he Intervene in this adulterous relationship. I don't Markelle adults Rian. My relationship adultery takes plays they did. That's very clear yes Bot they can also be reasons why that all happens true very true to have seen it coming so get back. Get back where it all went wrong. I in the beginning. Everything was great. Everybody was a love and it was great to be and wars unlimited an amazing but you felt and then it slows down that attention that slow down to work on it but you did it and then that came in and then you ask yourself what do I have to do. I say get back. Get back to Burger and as if you genuinely work it out and get back on track because love is not about uprise old or modal uprise all in the beginning. Because that's given now you have to learn to take it and to give it to the other so if you don't be are not able to to get even in clear in a conversation with her. Yeah pull your Gods Elliot. All right Chad we have a mid roll or should we just get straight into the role after copy guys. I'm interrupting his podcast. Later once again that we are brought to you by manscaping escape. 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That was like the in an outlaw logo super specific. Yeah I was like Whoa. They they really. I think there I mean it's it's it's I can't think of a better partnership all right so now we're going to be doing our of the weeks You mentioned it earlier with the beef. So we're GONNA start it off with Chad Chad. What is your beef of the week? Maybe of the week is the comfort zone in honor of when we gotta we gotta go outside of our comfort zone You know it's I think going off what you said like when we get back in nature When we're in the comfort zone that's when our minds spin. That's when we get you know muscle atrophy and stuff in a when you get out of the comfort zone. That's where the true happiness seems to be so get outside Comfort on take risks. You know even in the Arab Corona virus find ways to reach outside a comfort zone just a keeping a beast so yeah awesome. You Push Do. You're never in your comfort zone. We'll your coverage on as being out of your comfort zone. You're always bit campers as being alone. So maybe that's good. So what is my beep? I think you know I got six children and accompany movement and fighting ignorance into world. I'm looking at their. What is going on right now with Gerona virus that we can beat all that is individual and try to show that in so many ways and that still get frustrated by having having satay way out nobody gets into the way out or yes Maybe a lot of people will get the way out but I and my mission is to do. Jane's Healthcare Globally. So I got a big big beef. All China's going relentless. I will always go on. I'm like water. I want again find resistance. Only in time if the what keeps on running water becomes invincible. Become stronger then the wall a bose's IT and so I go wall DB. I have a week and that's besides the classes. I got in my own traveling because I'm like anybody I'm like anybody. I got differences and got US solve them. I got a family Thing that company thing the old thing but my life force is stronger is like water and stronger than any wall that that wants to oppose it. I believe this was that what I just mentioned. And what else at there is something in the company own with the dynamics. It's these lawyers day are so I don't know They make a little stumped bake de things like that make it very a lot of confusion. That's I got a lot of beef with that. You know forty years of experience me of all what I've done. I'm able to replicate that in ten minutes. I ask Gay. You sold this You have all your life about Expertise In a being a lawyer on the finances or a company dynamics and done it takes weeks and weeks and weeks. Do Rapper. Deuce and so the expertise is not there. The assets is not there and that that that is my beef. I'm I'm looking at it. They ship I already know what better they all you by looking on the out all works but I got power overturning so my beef is with the staggering experience. Always present in the world are busy with people in equal division of power and disease poverty in the world at all controversial big. That's my all Jon voight rest. I Love Life Nice. I love it. It'd be you came from a big family too right. You had eight brothers and sisters that seven brothers. Two sisters was now. Do you think I was wondering? This is like my armchair analysis but part of what makes you such a determined person that to differentiate yourself in a family that big you have to be pretty unique a unique competitive edge but competitive in like Phil. You yourself original waste new dates and chill and be proud of what you found. Yes that what are your siblings. Think about all you've accomplished I in the beginning. I was the black sheep now. They are older the black sheep. I'm the one still doing the same. Maybe for the week is with the weekend DEA. The not the days of the week but the recording artists Weekend but I think he's been kind of watered down by success like when he did the album trilogy. It was like so intense and it was so powerful I felt like he dunked my head into a pool and the water was like hedonism and yearning and pain and I was like whoa. This is thick water and it felt like. I was like just like moving through and it was. I don't know it was it was. It was an experience that not a lot of other. Not a lot of other musicians have given me but now it just feels like he's like airy and the music not as substantial. I don't know it just doesn't feel like unique and and hard hitting and I I just wanted to go back to when he was just living out of like la or New York or wherever he's at when he was just like in Canada and he was just stuck in his basement just writing about all of his grimy experiences in. Yeah just I missed that weekends. That's my being for the week is just my on talent for the weekend was. Let's go back to that weekend Nice I gotta listen to Trilogy Got Some bangers Dude House of balloons bro. Blow your lid off the weekend. We it's always weakened with me Chad who's your babe of the week. my baby. I am an assault bike on my balcony and I've been cranking it out every day and the other day there's a guy running down the street and he's run by he looks up at me and I'm cranking it. And he gives me this first. Prompt like let's go so that's my baby the week that you know even that were separated. They're still that unity and We're both getting it in and feeling good. So that's that's awesome a women. Who's your babe of the week? My Dad My son my son my son actually my wife but by why because she is just I find earth suddenly very a new genuine shape. I find Energies completely different very interactive subtly. Why I don't know just happened and my son is just ridiculously cute. So both of them both Bates That's nice that's great my baby. The week is in other recording artists prints. Dude I learned about this print song When you were mine off of his album dirty mind dude. It blew my dome like I'd heard a lot of trance. That always liked him. But I don't ever think I'd gone deep enough into the Cadillac. Truly appreciate the genius that everybody says he is and I mean obviously can play all of his own instruments do all of his own compositions and he he writes really poppy songs and then puts all these different elements into. I'm like his his high high voice but with this raw sexuality and a it's due to secure Combo and then this song when you remind it just like it's a frothy pop song but it's it's elegant and then I I don't know I love Bob into it. And then if you really want an idea of what a superstar princes. Watch while my guitar gently weeps that they played at George. Harrison's memorial and he does his solo during it that is maybe the Best Guitar Solo of all time in everyone there. Just like Steve Winwood. Tom Petty they all stopping musicians and everyone just watches prince like send above everybody else. And he's like so close to God when he's playing Solo it just it shreds on a whole new level and in George Harrison's son there and he just looks and he just like is geeking out. It's really sweet and your Prince. You know gone too soon. And I look forward to learn more and more about music because it's it's unreal Chad who's your legend of the week. I legend is author Don. Miguel Ruiz So I yeah. I read the Grapes of Wrath. Recently in having that coincide with the economy and stuff was a kind of a huge bummer. But it was a great read so it really expanded my dumb but a nominee this guy. Miguel galleries is more of a spiritual Preaching more of a spiritual kind of stuff in that was puts me a good mood to not worry so much about life than just remember that. It's it's a fun ride in any sort of obstacles or perceived challenges are just like. It's a fun bump in the road. Just sorta like when said I water you just hitting the wall and you just keep gone. So yeah. That's my legend women. Who's your legend? My legend man being legendary. Anybody who is legendary. I come very close to Seoul now seeing the being legendary in the being legendary in anybody in antibody Gentleness I see being a alleged Could be my neighbour. Be Friendly to me or a at an Amsterdam. Most people opt ready to me. I'm got that good energy go so they are friendly to me. But I'm the soul. I'm into writing new book. Ad comes out in September or October. And it's about the win hop method that and Indiana and is about happiness strength at bell those values those values are close to the soul. The soul is my alleged. Absolutely back nonstop. I've into the salt. I won't explain it before I go. I got a Dole explained through signs. What the soul is all about be legendary and the book comes out the September October twenty teller. How long did it take for you to finish writing book? I've always wondered how long it takes author said to the you know the actual writing is being done after audio. Oh it takes about a year okay. Most speak the book. I yeah. That's interesting yeah once I'm alone than I am good. Stop coming out and it's not about me. It's about what is coming out. What is coming out is based in a deep experience so that is all about about the depth experienced the done yet. It's coming out the they say October. It took me sixty hours. Continuous In three days. Echinacea you Topics. Wow that's so cool yet it's GonNa be a New York Times bestseller boom now. Deny the good ship Signs as they all my story from a normal dude at school drop out from school. Changing signs fundamentally in universities are that I am teaching doctors and professors all over the world. What is not that is the quality of nature do not know as humans nature knows and I have been in nature so much. I did a lot of field work in nature so I got things. They have not even have names for it. They have finding out they of finding out through tests blood proves and brain scans and they never saw that before My legend of the week is my mom mother's days in a couple days. This will come out after mother's Day mothers as in two days in A. Yeah just running back with my mom. Because she's just an absolute legend. You know the coolest of the cool and you know like last night. When when I tried your your ice bath I woke my mom up at two in the morning. Just to keep an eye on me so I wouldn't do it Solo and she was totally game and down and super encouraging. And Yeah just appreciate her. Always supporting a eccentricities and being eccentric Hugely eccentric in her own life and always setting a model. Because my mom always like my mom used to embarrass me because you just say whatever she thought no matter what and sometimes piss people off but she never let the moment or the situation have priority over her truth even though that could bug me at times I find it very inspiring because my mom is always get a live her life with one hundred percent authenticity in. I don't give a fuck nest and yeah and it's a it's it's really a rare so I I just love that about my mom's that's she's my legend in the week. Yeah that's awesome. Yeah what's quality? What's up true spirituality do totally? She's very spiritual spiritual I got. I got to respect your team. Thanks Man Chad. What's your quote of the Week I quote conserve this. Do Don Miguel Ruiz. Right wherever we go see all these beautiful creations of humans homes cars freeways building stadiums. Whatever we see we remember that all I existed in the human mind we made it with real action. Look at the ancient Egyptians the Sumerians the Greeks Hindus and many others where we see the great civilizations that existed around planet earth we understand they first existed in the human mind then with actions. People made what they imagined. Come true in the same way not make your dreams come true without action. Whatever happens in your mind will end in your mind in cannot become real until you take the action for your dreams to become real action. Must Follow Inspiration. What kind of books does he writes? Non Fiction sub. Wim Good so about A. What was the question again? It's a what is your quote of the week. Do you have a quote that you liked? You'd like to share a look. You see this. Yes monkey I that. Got a monkey on your shirt. Go Learning Book Caja Awesome. I just started about to t shirt. That's Nice Yeah. Yeah that is cool. I think crazy like among the IV locating lifetime. I played guitar. It's a Nice Nice. Like a monkey. A micro the weekends for the movie. Cool runnings one of the best movies of all time. it's about a Jamaican bobsled team in the Winter Olympics. And you'll Brenner. Who's the bad ass of the team? Makes said junior babble. Who's kind of a a privileged kid trying to find his own way through life? You know differentiate himself from his family and he just you'll just doesn't think junior has enough confidence. It makes them look in the mirror and he makes them say out loud to himself when when he asked what is the Mary. He's he makes them say I see pride. I see power. I see a bad ass mother who who don't take no crap. Let me get that again. I see pride I see power. I see bad ass mother who don't take no crap off of nobody and then he makes him say it again. It goes again and again he makes them keep saying he believes that. That's awesome. Yeah Nazca and then we have a phrase of the week for getting after it This is like a phrase that makes people WANNA party Chad. Do you have a phrase of the week after? Yeah spark the flare. Do I just sat freeze. You know on a desert breeze and the other side was breed mother. Bugger greed motherfucker. I love that mine is a from warzone from playing call of duty. It's when your buddy goes down you go. But he's not all the way to go. I got you revive or I'll revived. You are revived. You love that That's it when thank you so much for coming out of the POD Amazing the best good exit for coming on cool hanging out with you goes. Yeah you take you we. We had a nice stabbing Erin. Nice yeah we'll have to have you back. Yeah when the book. Oh good forever in La. Let's Top into a nice bath yet. That's cool that's cool cold water with your name owner speech you'll get you'll get go their culture. I'm GonNa do it today. E I'm doing today a great but keep on continuous until whatever you got is out of that. That is one. What is the thing about j? T. Done Townsend's a your name is John John. Thomas Part Yeah jumped. Tom Is JT. My Mom's Colombian so they called people. They're like Lentil Mazda. Call you by your first and Middle Name. So they just shorten its. Jt for me got yeah. Herpes M. I. Depression. I'm all in baby. Let's go. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Depression depressed beat the fuck out of a dog. I'm GonNa sit on that things in crush it down with an ice blah. Go Way to go. Thank you wait. Can you crack Walnut with your but for now it's okay. We'll do it next time. That's next all right. Thanks a lot man okay. Leave thanks bye aggregrate. One your Taylor. Hey this is comedian. Rosebud Baker from the devil's advocate with Rosebud Baker podcast. And you're listening to the all things comedy network. Subscribe to all things comedy shows wherever you listen to your podcasts.

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Ross and Carrie Cool Off With Wim Hof (Part 2): Inflamed Edition

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Ross and Carrie Cool Off With Wim Hof (Part 2): Inflamed Edition

"Welcome to owner Ross and carry the show where we don't report on fringe, science, spirituality and claims of the paranormal. No, no, no, we take part ourselves. That's right when they make the claims. We show up, so you don't have to our sponsor and I'm Carrie. Poppy and we are back at the whim half seminar. All before the whole covert situation started correct. We've been waiting to tell you about because we thought it would be fun for Max Fund drive. So, we'll tell you more about the iceman in just a moment and US trying his methods, but we're still in the middle of Max Fund. Drive here, oh! Boy! Oh, boy, when you have time to support is yeah. This is only week to a four. Ya and the numbers are very encouraging. Thank you to all of you who have subscribed or upgraded and guess what there's a new option now you can boost. Membership, so we talk about the five dollar membership and that's where you get all of the bonus content. We've talked about ten dollar membership. We've got a lot more to say about that twenty and so forth, but you can also now this is new and this Max drive. If you're at, say the ten dollar per month, and you're just not ready to go to twenty, you can choose an intermediate amount and make that your monthly donation, and that will count as an upgraded membership. I wonder if you can do not fall dollars like if you can give like five sixty nine. An additional sixty nine. Yeah, at Pie to whatever it is, you're currently like sixty nine. Oh I, get it your sexual. Needed me to acknowledge sixty nine in the room. Yes, so that's an available option to you now and we're really grateful. Because maximum members keep this. Going kept us going through this very bizarre I'm and we're super grateful for everybody who's already a member and that's why we're doing our drive right now to remind you that you're the reason we can make this content for you to enjoy maximum. His audience supported, which means we are free to make the content you enjoy because people like you contribute so listen. Why don't you go choose a monthly amount? That's comfortable for you Dave. If your name is Dave and you're listening to this right now. It's a sign, but also everyone else. Majority of people give five dollars month their ten dollars a month, some upgrades, twenty, thirty, five one hundred dollars, a month or more. You know it's whatever works for you. Dave and thank you dave. We appreciate it. Thank you so much Dave you're the best. And everyone else, so we'll be back stock about that more, but let's jump into our workshop. If you didn't hear last episode, you are going to want to go back one. Yeah, you'll be like. What is this Wim Hof? Method? Who or what is Wim Hof I'm so confused. What is this fundamentals workshop? You'll have no idea so definitely. Hear that contextual information and also welcome. Glad to have you here on the show episode. One was sort of an icebreaker. Oh. Nicely done isolate. sixty-nine. Sexual. That's funny, so yeah, we got there. We got our waiver signed. We got our yoga mat set up on the ground. The crowd kept growing over time, but I think it stabilized at around three participants. Yeah, we definitely filled up pretty much all the negative space in that room, but I'm comfortable fell. Yeah, that's true. We were close to each other, but enough room to breathe. A I get it so yeah. Somebody writes in later, says there, and there were twenty four participants, Ross and carrier full of Shit just notes, plus minus or they're a liar anyway. The first thing we would do is get some very energetic and sincere information from Michael. Christopher Oh go Christoph, awro, yeah, handsome man! Looks like Jason soukous a tall sharp features long hair that he's kind of tied up behind him with a very substantial beard. He's got kinda sharp beard and mostly black curly hair, but with a little bit of the grey bit of salt in that pepper, so he started telling us about disease. Yeah, we kicked off around twelve fifteen. That was game time. He said he'd had a slide projector. That was very hard to see because a room wasn't dark. Right, so we kinda struggled. Struggled to see from our vantage, point was right onto the wall to yeah exactly so he wasn't a distinct image. And at least there was a post in my way so I'm constantly kind of trying to go around and say what does that say sheer using the zoom feature on my phone? We were sitting not next to each other, which is rare. And I was sitting at just the right angle. Where right above your head said Ross fit. A really cool mural on the wall. We took pictures of me in the raw it afterward. Yeah, so straight up. Let's talk about disease. We've all dealt with. It was all had disease affect our lives? Like which percentage of disease would you say? As chronic inflammation involves inflammation, I would say eighty eighty percent involves inflammation very precise by that I. do mean physical, mental and spiritual. Yes, he grew over time I think the first time Michael said eighty percent of disease is inflammation. That was the statement and. And then later on it became eighty percent of chronic disease, and then later on it became eighty percent of disease, mental and physical, and then spiritual got worked into this somehow so eighty percent spiritual disease, and sometimes he'd use. The word involves, which is very different, other than just the word is that van diagrams a little more of a closer overlap when you say. This disease is influenced, makes it sound like the inflammations causing the disease which could be the case to involve where it's just a component right? Because I mean. Presumably, we got inflammation. We evolved exit was useful in some way. Yeah, so, is this the cause or is this the treatment? I don't know speaking of which we're going to be mentioning a lot of claims and some kind of directly address, but just put it out there, we'll. We'll have more time after we tell the main story of this workshop to SORTA. unpack some of these ideas. Don't take this all at face value just not along for a little bit. So what's cool about the Wim Hof breathing method is that you're going to get more oxygen throughout your cells sounds good, cool speaking of inflammation causing disease. I sent this to my sister, Jeanette, who is a doctor in Fresno General Practitioner and asked. What. Do you think of this eighty percent of diseases inflammation and I'd ever kind of the permutations and ask for her reaction, and she said this is very Dr -ly but I think that in some contexts one might be able to contrive away to explain disease by inflammation and psychological mindsets, especially in the way that anxiety and depression can affect our health including levels of stress hormones, cortisol our. Our Immune response in our ability to make good decisions, affecting our chronic conditions, but I would not say there is a strong body of evidence pointing to a particular percentage, actually in my usual setting a primary care I would guess that over ninety percent of the ailments of life are connected to our mental health in some way, because we are integrated whole people and gave the example of the. The diabetic feels hopeless chooses not to take their insulin, and is now facing an amputation or heart, attack or blindness or the young person who was anxious to fit in started smoking. She was giving him. Sort of you know. Here's a stir up trying to get into this sort of mental health being connected to your overall health, but what to do with inflammation I. Think she she the inflammation. Inflammation thing saying that there's no particular percentage that sounds like it came out of nowhere, but then I think because he'd included the phrase eighty percent of disease both mental and physical. She was trying to say okay well. Here's here's how we could kind of connect to that idea of mental health, being town are bodily health. Wow, okay, who very kind fair to pull him out of the is. Exactly so I WANNA go around quoting eighty percent figure. Did you know that you only use ten percent of your brain? That is yeah. That's true especially if you're very boring, did you know that seventy percent life is work? Yeah, okay, well good and the next dianetics is inflammation. Math is hard. Yeah, so Michael telling us a little bit about Wim Hof life concurrently as he's explaining these different benefits kind of hearing about the man and the method in one breath, a little bit and Michael says that Wim Hof said that there were lots of embarrassing moments for him especially as parents because he was giving us a bit of that biography of having. Having lost his wife and being a single parent, and sometimes embarrassing his children, just by being kind of Wacky Guy, yeah, and Michael Seem to have a lot of affection for whim young. You talked about meeting him for the first time and going on a retreat with him. Yeah was like mountain top class. They were doing instructor training so that he could do what He. He was doing it this class essentially and so they climbed Mount Hood in Oregon, which apparently gets very cold at the top, because you can see the little snowcapped mountains around them. He had pictures of himself next to whim Hoff. I'm guessing that's part of it like you were go. We'll take a picture and you can use that for your classes right. Yeah, learn from. From the Guru I didn't even think of that, but I'm sure you're right. And then they had like a picture of them all in a circle sitting in this lake together I think it was like forty people look like it was a good size instructor class cheese, so if you support us mostly men through Max von drive, we can become instructors with Wim Hof. Now having seen so much video and photos. Just a lot of Wim, Hof. Media! Hard to go back. Guys are eighty percent. Okay, maybe Olusola men are inflammation. Clears up Wim Hof. Workshops were disease than eighty percent even more than that. It's like this is very much a white guy thing. Right. Down even farther a now I'm sure we can find examples of non white, non white non men, but there's a lot of white men. Yeah, yeah, definitely so while he was up there on the mountain top class with Wim. He noted that when was like really sweetly spending most of his time with this one older gentleman, yeah, did Michael Call Him boomer that sounded like it. Yeah, so I think that was. was his nickname or the nickname they gave him I think. Maybe he was just saying to us like it was a person of baby boomer age, but like didn't really explain it. Yes, we'll get it if I just say boomer as if it's at name along okay boomer long before there was a very popular guy at the school where my dad taught. Who is a science professor and he was boomer. Okay. I've heard of it as actually now that you say that I feel like it's something I heard in a cartoon. Okay, anyway, yes, so I guess that guy was kind of having the hardest time, and so when was giving him all the attention, and at first everyone's like. Oh, the guy who's like not even. As, advanced as we are getting all the attention, but then they realized that's the kind fatherly thing to do you help the one who needs the most help. This reminds me of the parables of Jesus. The story is like well. Why is the master paying attention to these sinners? If not done as well as I have, and yeah very much as we described before, there's kind of this enthusiasm around Wim Hof himself. He has personal charisma and Michael was talking about that. How you're just so drawn to him and you want attention. You want to be like him. Listen at his feet. So yeah, that's very much in play here, but it's interesting because such a central claim to this is I'm not special. Anyone can do this. We all know the Heimlich maneuver now. I couldn't tell you anything about Mr, Heimlich because you want something is truly that successful you no longer sort of like hanging around the. Of the Creator sure. I think he genuinely is abnormal. Yeah, though I think at this point. If you dis doing one of these world record breaking things or just naturally I think this method would probably continue on. Structure Hear Me, do and in which case then it would have to evolve away from that, but yeah. Definitely, there's a little colder personality involved in all this sure, but boomer made it though yeah, yeah, and they all. Really, be bring the lead, and then he dies They all cheered for him. Okay boom! That's not what they say. That's his nickname. Did okay. A boom. Like would that be incredibly condescending, or would it be welcome when you're sort of encouraging the person who's last among us? Yuck yeah I can feel being that last person. Be like all right I. Don't need you looking at me right now. Let's just be happy. I made it right right right, not make a big deal right about how special I am exactly the worst at this speaking of which y'all talk more about it later, but you've leant me the Scott Carney book. What doesn't kill us? And he mentioned that at the onset of their journey up Kilimanjaro. There were two people who that doesn't Kilimanjaro us. One of them was dealing with like. A lack of oxygen she had to go back down and then there was a guy who has nearly seven feet tall, and he was vomiting or he had to go back down, so people do fail on these things yeah. Yeah Oh yeah, definitely, but boomer made it good job in. You've already got a self selecting crowd who wanted to go on this trip in the first one right and have done. You know like a few days at least of preparation. That's another one of the narratives is that this method can turn you around real fast and really change your body rapidly. You'll be amazed well in two thousand, eight and two thousand nine they. They done a study Ross and the study showed that Wim Hof could suppress his immune response, so endotoxins study. Yeah, so this is also in this book, and we will get more to like this science, and whether this is valid and Cetera, but it's also just spoken about in sort of contradictory ways like in the book. It says he boosts his immune response. Right the this time we hear, he suppresses his immune response. Right again I'm like by yourself, so we're talking inflammation. What are we? Yes, these are all good questions that come about and I think it is described inconsistently the various media coverage and Scott. Carney helped kind of break this. This down for me, the whole endotoxin thing is used in clinical settings to help measure auto immune responses to things, and it's a good way to use as kind of control substance when you're trying to see how the body reacts, because it's a component of E. coli, but it's not E. Coli, okay, and sometimes the way it's referred to. It sounds like Oh, you were infected with E-coli, and sometimes it sounds like Oh, you were infected with a toxin like Oh. Wow, you survived. This killed other people right so apparently what this is a component of equalize that they can use to get the body to sort of have that response, but the endotoxin. endotoxin itself is inert, so it doesn't do anything bad to you. The kind of like a vaccine except no future protection right? Yeah, there's yeah, nothing really you're training your body to deal with, except maybe that endotoxin again, but it's just sort of a way to see like. How much does the body sort of freak out? When we put this way and so I, think the latter of those two were what the study was claiming to show was that he was able to suppress his immune response, which had some situations might be a bad thing. I don't want to suppress my immune response when it's a real usually that needs your immune system. To respond to. It 'cause I. Remember Seeing in the book that they were saying the people who were doing the moth method. Didn't get fevers. So that's probably the immune response. We're talking. Okay. You'll fever. I think even Wim Hof himself had some white headaches on. She's saying. Do you get late headache? Terrible. And like I think they did it with twelve people. If I'm remembering this particular study, correctly, they twelve people who had studied his method and twelve people who hadn't. Again these were sort of self reported measures of discomfort, not blinded in any sense fever right, so take it for what it's worth, and also in various places you'll hear this described as wim consciously controlling his immune response and I'm like what do we mean by that? If you can control the immune response just by doing the exercises, I guess that's conscious control because. Because you were conscious when you did the exercises, but if you're saying that in that moment he liked, gets into his zen state, and says no, no I. Don't need the fever then. That seems totally irrelevant to your exercises. So, what are you saying? Yeah, this will come up a lot the disparity between the exercise of and what they're supposed to accomplish versus. Versus what we're supposed to be able to do with this method right, but yeah this particular study we've talked before about how kind of the phrase boost. Your immune system doesn't really mean much of anything. Because sure we can measure things like White Cell, blood, count and things like that, but sometimes the problem is your immune system over responding and you don't want. Want a boosted quote. Unquote immune system right that's like Lupus or HIV those are boasted immune systems that are overreact to things. They don't need to be, but I think the way Michael introduced. This was a little misleading because he referred to it as a deadly strand of e coli oh no duty. Oh, Jeez yeah, and he never get past the ethics, board. In people let's see can avoid death twelve of them didn't. So there you have it and yet. Michael speaks very quickly. There's so many times, and he's thrown out these big terms and stuff I as a science enthusiast, but not a scientist immediately. I can't park these things that he said yeah, and there's just so much of that, so definitely takes a lot of external reading, and then you and I are rapidly writing it down in notes. Other people are being normal human beings, and they're just sitting there nodding. So if it's this tough for us with our notes in front of us and many weeks to go over, it imagine if you're someone else exactly so now, let's go around all. Say introductions who we are why we're here Oh. Yes, state, our intentions, I kind like that actually said I'd like to get a feeling for what everyone's intentions are. Yeah, this cool in some classes and they're like. Like, tell me why you're taking this class. Sometimes I'm like you really GonNa make me like rephrase. I wanted to know about English Literature Thirty Times but in this case it was Kinda. Cool like all the responses were pretty different yeah. Lisa wanted to be the best version of herself. Christina was excited about breath work. Wow, you wrote down their names kissing and he wanted to deal with stress. Laura was here to learn more about self does. I gotta say for eighty percent being men. There were a lot of women at this workshop. Okay. Maria wanted to connect body and mind. Dino Woods diagnosed with an autoimmune disease, but not into pills. Yeah, that was how she motives, wasn't it? Was it which is not? WanNa fuck off with Oh goodness. That's the one where like your extremities get really cold because of poor circulation. There was a guy named Michael. who was using this to help deal with? PTSD someone who's planning to climb mount. Everest Dana was injured in July and got PTSD and has progressive spinal cord illness, a man and a also said that she's not into pills and drugs. Own Right because it makes it sound like Oh, here we go. I'm finding some way to tackle this without. This'll be the thing that fixes it right without using what my doctor told me to talk. And then some had more assertive, spiritual or emotional goals like deeper meditation presence in my body, controlling my mind's healing anxiety, or if you're Ross exploring my limits. Or if your carry, you hate hate, hate the cold. Would rather drink your own P.. Is that what I said so you said you said you also got SCIATICA a couple of weeks ago. I got that for the first time now. Would you say that the half method healed SCIATICA? The SCIATICA had not returns. When we were at the seminar, it was already gone. It was the first time I ever got. It is excruciating Holy Shit. Have you ever had it? Oh, my God. I had never had it, and then I had to do some research in the USC library, but if you sit too long, you just press on this one nerve, and like shot this pain just up and on my leg in this off away, and it's just because I had been in the library for too long, outstanding up one day just triggered it. Learning kills. So you know maybe this. A wakeup, call or something, but I haven't gotten it since you even saying that makes me WanNa, sit upright elsewhere, speaking of which at least this first part is about breathing a breathing is another one of those things on my checklist of checking in Ross how you doing you sitting upright? Are you breathing properly? Breathing. That's supposed to be part of the dynamic nerve system. Right I Shan't. We'll get to that, so we all stated our goals, and he seemed pleased enough with them. She goes back to talking about women for a second here and he's saying you know. Women Climbed Mount Everest in short, so anything can happen in the Michael Said and I've met many charlatans as I'm sure. A of people in the health and wellness community do We have true statement and speaking of the Everest thing I think it's important to note that Wim. Hof isn't always completely unscathed by these things. Right often in the telling you know you just think. Wow. He can do anything right whereas I think when he did that. Apparently, it turns out. It wasn't marathon that you didn't the snow. He got frostbite on his Pinky Toe, and thankfully it did go away. No. Blood did return to the tow it was saved. You still hasn't tell but like thirty people crowded around him and saved him and enabled weird. Sure Oh. Yeah, to clarify earlier. We were wondering whether he had gotten himself out of the whole or not. You'd said the someone went into. GET HIM SO IT turns out. He did kind of drift by the whole and didn't realize it and someone grabbed his leg asks. Achilles Oh. Does that happen to Kelly's yeah? He'll, he gets dipped in a special river, and that gives him godlike immunity powers, but then whoever was holding onto him, was holding on by his heel, and that was the part that was then vulnerable This part that saves you will also be our demise so on that Everest climb. He was getting high, and he had just gotten into that like really dangerous zone where a lot of people die, and he was already starting to feel the numbness in his. His leg that he remembered from kind of that whole foot problem before, so he backed off and realized okay. This is not the time for me to complete this I'll lose a leg or something Jesus so he didn't get the tippy top of Everest boy. Oh, boy, so as part of this practice. We're going to learn diet for matic breathing I always kind of forget until this comes up again that I did so much for breathing in highschool for choir. And musical theater that I don't think about like that's that is the normal way I breathe is to use my diaphragm the dramatic arts of the Diet format cards. Very so does describe that because I think if you just told me dia from addict breathing. I wouldn't have known what that meant so most of us when we breathed especially. If you're breathing shallowly, you'll breathe into your lungs, which just feel really good fill that expanse of feeling in your chest. Don't worry. There's something wrong with me. I'm overdoing it. Yeah, you're starting to go. Posture Jenkins Diaphragm is a second organ that's. Between your hips senior Pelvis Pelvic region. Call it. Pelvic region and if you fill up your lungs and then ask yourself, where else could I send air now you'll instinctively relies. Oh, there's actually this other spot. I'm where you can get you know almost double lung capacity. Band of Muscle to control that you referred to this as inverse breathing. He said it was kind of like an ego thing that as children, we all know naturally to breathe into our stomachs and I. Don't know if that's true or not. But I haven't grabbed children off the street and said like breathe for me. Let me observe how you breathe. So I can neither confirm nor deny, but he said that as we get older, we're always trying to kind of maintain our figures and sand upright, and he had kind of male female dichotomy to this, but he said we tend to just breathe into our chests. And sort of ignore leading air into our stomachs, which should be the first flow of Air Right? And then he asked us to do sort of a show of hands, like how many of you breathe just into your chest, and I should have raised my hand, but I was busy kind of thinking about like. How do I breathe? Yeah, yeah, but he's right. It's true, so I I didn't show my hand and no one else that he's like. Oh, look at all of you. You're all intuitive, okay great. But! No, I think that's right when I'm breathing. I tend to just breathe into the chest and be done with it. The reason that you learned inquirer and stuff is because if you WANNA project, you're gonNA. Need your diaphragm to do that can't get that much out of your lungs. It's GonNa. Be All BARASSIE Garage Schiff. You want them to hear you in. The nose bleeds exactly so let's learn about the old nervous system. Shall we okay? Yeah, let's the nervous system. It's made up of two smaller systems you with me. There's the sympathetic nervous system, and there's the Paris pathetic nervous system here we go, as you might call it inside the cave and outside the cave. You kind of introduce with the overview of the Vegas nerve. Long nerve that extends out to a lot of our internal organs, and says how this can put us in a para, sympathetic state, and so a lot of what we WANNA. Do is to kind of stick. That fuller breathing can help do that, but you want to stimulate the Vegas. Yes, we want to activate it with our large inhalation and. That's what he's saying. Just wonder what that's supposed to mean. Like the Vegas nerve. If there's pressure on it or anything, you get incredibly nauseous. Interesting well I think the idea was that. If you're breathing well, stimulation of the vagus nerve will cut down on the Stress Response Okay and that when we're stressed, we tend to breed less. We have shallow breaths and if we kind of intentionally. Deepened and lengthen those breaths in control of more that can have that sort of verse response where were easing up on our stress? Right and I think that much is well supported. I think that is true. Now you might be listening. Yeah, this makes sense so I guess that's the kind of breathing. They're gonNA do no, let's do a totally different thing that actually involves not filling your lungs and reduces. Your oxygen will get there so yeah. Yeah. He had slides for this little diagrams of the body and nerves and organs, and how things are connected, so he used this framework that you mentioned of being inside the gave and outside the cave, so you have your central nervous system, that's your brain, your brain, stem or spinal cord. Then you have this peripheral nervous system, and that's all of the other nerves throughout the body that connect to everything in the skin and all that. So then he broke that down. Saying that you've got kind of your motor system in that breaks down into the somatic. Mad I, want you to contact the semantic, so that's what we have control over and the odd Onomic, and whenever you hear about Wim Hof or anyone talking about when you're going to hear discussion of the autonomic nervous system right, so that's supposed to be all those things that we supposedly don't have control over by sneezing or the dilation of your pupils or breathing while you're asleep, right exactly and salvation your heartbeat, all of those. Those are kind of controlled by the autonomic nervous I can't control my heartbeat. Yeah, right? Yeah, no, thanks now suffice it to say yes. These things will automatically run when you're not conscious of them. They'll continue while you sleep, etc, but that doesn't mean necessarily that we have zero control affectation upon those, and then you have to define what has conscious control me. It gets scholar murky so I think in this course and Wim Hof. Keep, wanting to say. Hayes can so with 'em hoffer in general, there seems to be kind of this. Emphasis that like Oh. You can't do anything to control the autonomic nervous system and we are teaching you how to do that and we're proving all the textbooks wrong. Wim. Hof says that kind of thing. A Lot I changed the textbook. There's a new chapter about me. You pull out a sex. Work is just like his pencil writing all over cross. Changed it you're like a sharpie. -actly, so yes, so then we break down that autonomic nervous system further, so there's like this branching. It's almost like a nerve structure of nerve systems that we're talking about so three of life. Now that we're focused on the ODENAL, make nerve system the things that were supposedly not having control over. You've got your sympathetic. Oh that's. Outside case. The Para sympathetic Oh. Yeah that's like sympathetic to paranormal things. Just like partly. Next sympathetic. That's inside the cave. So what is this cave? He's talking about Plato's cave. Just thinking that it's a new allegory of the cave so I think the idea is back when our ancestors were living in more quote, unquote, primitive environments like caves, these two systems developed to keep us alive, one of which is kind of your body in its rest mode. So when you're inside the cave, you want smaller people. See can see in the dark. Dark you want your saliva to flow well, so you can digest your food. You're ready for the sexy times slower heart rates lower breathing. Used Your glucose slowly. Because maybe you're going to be in there for a little bit this winter activate your reproductive system like you just said so you can bone whereas the sympathetic nervous system. That's when you're outside the Caveman and there's dangerous out here. You've got to be ready for dinosaurs fighter flight new. I saw EEK the cat and terrible thunder lizards, and yet caveman definitely met dinosaurs. No, they did not so. Yeah, that's where you're ready to hunter. Be Hunted, and you need to have all the glucose ready in your muscles so that if someone suddenly springs that you can run the other way, right, you're all your energies ready to go and and your sex response. That's just not there you're not thinking about. God right executive that would be a a even use that as an example like if the bear starts chasing you and you're getting aroused. Something's wrong. People gotta get. Bear going to have a special moment. And then your saliva gets inhibited in this case where anxiety would theoretically come from city to be on the sort of like constant alert. Faster, so which of these are we going to learn to control? Both? Yes, yeah, we're going to at least be able to kind of go between them and move toward one when we need to, but I think the idea is that this wim Hof puts you in these extreme situations where your sympathetic nervous system wants to take over and say okay, you're going to breathe fast. Your eyes are going to eight, and we want to introduce with breathing, and these other controls the ability to pull us back towards the Paris empathetic and I'll say this although I don't know if that's true at all. It makes sort of intuitive sense to me because in our modern world where you're mostly safe. That's where we develop these things like chronic anxiety. Because you're sort of want to be on, alert has no place to go right right. So it makes sense to me like that. If you actually gave yourself something like okay here, you go for two minutes. This is what you worry about. Put it there this whole. Turn it off. Yeah, and I think that's kind of the siren. Call of the Wim Hof method and Scott Carney very muchly off in his book, saying this like Oh well, I was just this reporter in Los Angeles live in my apartment and you know you're sitting in front of the computer all day and getting a little soft around the middle okay. So. He was saying you know like. We evolved in this kind of environment where we were constantly being forced to endure extreme conditions, and now we have our air conditioning, and we keep everything within this nice cozy goldilocks zone. He's thinks it's sixty eight to seventy two I was like okay. That's a little specific. Everything exactly at sixty eight to seventy two, but we do avoid extreme temperature. Yeah, I fucking hate. Them I'd rather drink muddy, so the argument is, is that the body kind of needs occasionally to have these beneficial shocks to the system, and it kind of just keeps us in sort of a more healthy range of flexibility. Right sounds possible. Missing does well to me. That's all I need to know seems possible, so stop spending all your time inside the cave. Yeah Up. There I was just thinking every time he would talk about outside the cave. The sympathetic nervous system I would just think of my cat because I feel like even though she is inside of our cave almost all the time. That response is always there. There's always this heightened like threat alert. Like what are you doing? Why did you just move? Getting some something I should do to respond. Are you trying to kill me now? Yes, I've been waiting seven years. Feeding you every day, because eventually I was going to kill you and shoot Iran to me. Also you're seeing her. You're interpreting her behaviors. That way went, and maybe that's not what it's like inside. That's true I. Don't know how to get into that black box, but at least if we were to compare her reactions to human reaction, right, she's very much ruled by the sympathetic nervous system. So did you know that? That there are three Nobel prize winners from last year. Who are studying optimizing stress? Yeah had to look this one up. I'm glad you dig. I haven't yet okay. Yeah, so okay, so this is very much related. That's right because he was talking about hermetic stress. We've heard this before. STRESS GETS A bad rap in our society, the a certain amount of stress that's short term at least can be beneficial chair you. You referred to as Hermetic stress or Hormesis to look this up. So that's the beneficial effects of a treatment that at a higher intensity would be harmful. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. It's kind of medical statement of that which does not kill US makes us stronger which I can't sign onto as a general principle, because if you get your leg, cut off, probably not stronger, emotionally stronger. Yeah, that's true. Let's say you. You get covid nineteen and you survive, but now you have reduced lung capacity for the rest of your life. That didn't kill you, but I didn't make you stronger type one diabetes. It's from viral infection, right, childhood or the womb, so not fully endorsing that idea so the Nobel prize that he was referring to was from twenty nineteen guy, so it was recent in physiology or medicine, and see William Calin junior surpise. Heat and Greg Semenzato. What what their prize was things they'd done in the nineties looking at just how the body reacts to the presence or lack of oxygen. And kind of how it will respond, both in terms of just sort of adaptation and even gene expression like what proteins get produced in that situation, because of the presence or absence of oxygen, and so they kind of identified these very precise pathways, and they say oh, this particular chemical is being produced, and then when you're at a low oxygen, state does not. That's what happens CETERA. So it was very interesting reading, not sure exactly. How tightly tied into the point he was making. It did check out at least this is definitely something. We see a lot where it's like an I. Don't even think this is always intentional or someone trying to do pugh, but the sort of references to scientific studies, and so on with not like a very clear loop back to what I'm talking about just sort of improves your faith in me that I m talking about facts and move along with me. Let's it can be blinding with signs in certainly the speed at which he was going. Yeah could so easily be that if you're not taking furious notes and looking up later, all you're left with is a vague impression of like ban. He talked about like hypoc Sierra. May. Cortisol and all these very sci. He's sounding. Thanks man. He knows a lot of something about Nobel Prize. I think I think Wim. Hof got a Nobel Prize. Exactly one word I encountered while reading that release about the Nobel Prize was they were talking about hypotheses, and then they were talking about nor. Ah, which I just I love, that's just average oxygen normal oxygen levels. Feeling a bit of normalcy today. 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I, hope, we'll have many more years of listening to podcasts and living life together. I love you. Oh, well happy birthday to Andrew! We hope you had a wonderful day me to an Andrea route as the day after mine, so you're pretty special Okay so back to our dimly lead, but not dark room where we are learning about breeding and stress. And General Whim Humphrey. So Michael had given us his pitch for the importance of use stress, short-term stress and cold can kind of help get us there. He talked about the Hypo Falah. Mus As being inbetween are endocrine system and our nervous system as a kind of a regulator. Go between okay, not literally in between physically. Yeah, not equidistant. A relay of sorts. Is this about when all the thunder started happening? Oh, yeah, there was thunder going on in the background. Absolutely. Oh my goodness! It got so loud. It was like someone is outside, beating, steel, sheet or something. Yeah, yeah, like the Tiki Room. Yeah, exactly exactly like we all going to disappear. So his explanation of the system was that when we are exposed to extreme cold, our nervous system freaks out and the whole get sent out adrenaline cortisol, all of that and they're saying okay time to get into fire, flight, mode and panic and stress, and so when we learned us are breathing exercises, which is what we're GONNA do next. Head regulate the hypothalamus and our response, so then we can raise the base level of our nerve system response, and thus it takes more stress to stress us out, so I would kind of be having both systems going in that case because you want to activate that outside cave system, but then I'm using my calm breathing to bring it indoors. Right balance it out. which kind of the opposite of the philosophy I thought we were having a few minutes ago, but okay, so the the cave metaphor becomes a little less useful here. Because now they're talking about our ability to change the threshold of where the cave opening is I guess who rolled the stone. Is this a Jesus reference? Yeah, that was. Was a book about light. It was one of those like Jesus Israel and here's why books are by. It was called who moved the stone? Something like that? Yeah, if you assume that this story is true, then who move the stone. Sure that's a problem. Okay, so to be fair. It wasn't just the title. There were pages after the title. Oh good. So he was saying you know this can then relate to other areas of our lives, so if we learn to control our breathing and have sort of a way that we can quickly retrain our bodies to handle a stressful situation now when the coworker says something that really gets our blood boiling. We can kind of take a step back and so cal think about I'm doing here yeah yeah give. Give you some control back in Stanley Hey l. like a very uncontrollable thing, your own human reactions right now since your body's been exposed to higher and lower points of stimulation now just the everyday vagaries live. Don't throw you for quite as much of a loop. You step on a thumb tack and you think that hurts, but you know what. It's not a sheet of ice. HOW INTERESTING THAT! or pain is really just signal in my brain. Think about that well. Yeah, well, I do think of pain and happiness and misery as basically echo location to the highest and lowest points. You've experienced before interesting. Okay the end. Nara could explain it further, but I feel like. The letter just knock around and people skulls for like. Okay. What did he say like? You're happy Mussa time not always. If you're very healthy, you might mean like just appreciate that everything's fine, but a lot of times you mean in relation to my everyday life. Today is a particularly good day. Steve done that sort of echo location between where you are now and your usual spot and your lowest spot, which this is my theory for why we are actually going to be a very happy generation, because when Corona viruses over we're going to be like those who survived the Great Depression were like. Listen honey. You don't know the half of it. I am happy until I fucking die. Trying to subsist on. All Day every day. That we're here dog into each other, that's amazing, right? It's a miracle I'm hoping that sets the bar so low. The Echo location is like are always above that I. Hope so too I. I know we're all so good. At as humans were good at letting that bar regress to the mean, so even if we're high on life, we're still going to kind of go back to this. Just sort of this is my average level of upset in the world, so you can train yourself to like absolutely. Gratitude is pretty much the only scientifically validated way to do that, but and that is sorry. That is a worthwhile person, so yes I encourage. Encourage. Everybody to try to keep an eye on that and all of this I think is kind of tying into the meditation muscle as well. You know just having the ability to stop step outside of yourself or second thing Oh that's interesting. That reaction I'm having. Why am I having that reaction? Whether it's a physical pain sensation, or whether it's a reaction to what someone said to you that you just kind of stopped to examine that, and maybe then you decide. Yeah, that's the right reaction, or maybe you're like. Oh, I could choose to react slightly differently. These are good things to do. All right now it's time to talk about the breathing. Method itself, so let's give you just enough information. At your appetite and they. Form owner. You know it was going to say so that you know enough of the method that you try it out yourself, but maybe that's not the best advice especially if you're driving a car. Tub. Are! Not The time to do. Wants to go to the pool. He wants to go to the pool, but not everybody should do women reading in the pool. That should be the addendum to Franson Tiny friend, but yes, that is a dangerous thing to do so we'll kind of describe the parameters of how this breathing works, and then we'll tell you a next time. How well it worked for US and whether it protected us from the gold. Okay, okay, real cliff-hanger, so he has a diagram of a diaphragm and. I want that to be a thing. He shows us what we're GONNA. Do kind of our step, so the first thing that you start doing with operating is that you take thirty to forty full inhalations, the ideas that you kind of leave your hand on your belly, so you can just at least as you begin, you can feel that sensation of filling out your belly right and again we're using our diaphragms correct, but then the ideas that you kind of have a wave rolls back into your chest belly and. Chest right and he would go onto. Even say and Wim Hof does this to you know now. Have It fell into your head? And I appreciated A. You can release your breath Gary if you're a meeting all right all right now. What is the hold my breasts? Okay, hold on I'm going to set a thing and you can just keep talking. Okay. Okay Ready. Yes, okay, started talking. Let Me Breathe I. saw. When I pressed, start, you'll see it with. My thumbs would be a bad thing for us to do simultaneously. Very, bad radio feel free to hold your breath along with carrying. She's got a timer going. Okay, so this is my chance to say whatever I want to so yeah, the idea is you take that in, and he would even say it goes into your head and then thank you Michael. He would say. Obviously. Air Is not actually traveling into your head, but by picturing that the belly into the. The chest into the head. It causes you to take an even fuller breath than you might. Otherwise so you do that, and then you're gonNA very quickly exhale an unforced acceleration curious holding her breath. She is nodding majestically, but you can tell that she's doing work here to. This is not easy anyways, so then you exhale and unforced to half acceleration, so you're not completely emptying your lungs with A. Instead. You're just kind of letting out, but then doing another big inhalation kind of right on top of that very little pause, which reminds me a lot of what we. CARE, he's not in meaningfully. She's looking at a timer. You're doing quite well I'm impressed already. Who are they go? Wow, okay I'm impressed. That's very good is. Okay for not having prepared with the Wim. Hof method. Feel the lightheaded Oh goodness. Yeah, okay, that'll do it, and so you're gonNA. Do Thirty to forty of those really depot nothing rapid progress with unforced excavations. Yes, sometimes he calls it a half exhale. Terms could cover like a lot of different ways of doing it, but yeah, the idea was that. A real effort on the inhale hardly any on the exactly. Yeah, think about the inhale and try to fill up as much as you can. And this is where he told us. If you want to take notes by all means take notes. I think he was seeing us. You can put your notebook because. You'RE GONNA be repeating this. Crazy person would do that. And then on the final breath after the thirty to forty, we hold that breath on the X. Hale and just kind of let it sit in the body, and the idea is that after doing this rapid breathing cycle? We'll be able to hold our breath a lot longer and then yield decrease the co two in your blood. Into the Mida Contra. Cells how? So what does that make? Yes, so one part of that is demonstrably true. Yes, on controversial, so yes, if you do that kind of rapid hyperventilating, you are going to paradoxically drive down the co two in your body, so you're filling up your body with a lot of oxygen and very little co two, which is kind of a lesson that we learned at our holiday tropic breathing seminar. Yes, the was really very much the same thing, so we were doing it even longer and. More intensely like faster, but this gives you a high and you start to see things. So. Rid Nia! Oh, that's right. Yes, breath of life when they called it there so same exact thing you're driving down co two in your blood, and that is kind of paradoxically having these effects on your body, so the idea is that also uncontroversial. The thing that triggers you to really want to take a breath is the presence of carbon dioxide in the bloodstream. Your body seems like Oh. She's got too much carbon dioxide time to take in more air, Iran, so the is by driving down that level and driving up your oxygen. You can hold your breath longer, because then your body says Oh, well, you don't need to dig OBREGIA. I'll just send this oxygen into the monarch Andrea. Okay now that thing. What do you do with? He says these things so quickly. Yeah, yeah, what did he say about my Andrea? It was like here's what I've got decreases the CO two to get into the Mitochondria of cells makes the communication optimal and drops the cytokine production. Okay, and that was all tied to like inflammation right? He was saying yeah. It's like a crowded room, so you're all jumbled in together with each other, and you can move around too easily and by doing this essentially what you're doing is you're cleaning things up reducing inflammation, and now these helpful chemicals can move around more freely and something about the maddock. Andrea anytime you start talking about talking to the Mitochondria. Suspicious suspicious. Yeah, no I get that. The Mida Qendra is listening to the show I. Love to hear from you. We hear about you so much and I don't know I just I never really heard anything from your point of view you great in a wrinkle in time and the sequels up by the way. Monaco, Andrea is that a thing? Yeah, okay, Nice. They like shrink down small visit. Might Andrea Oh cool? Cool if I remember a bread thus back in like middle school. Maybe but those are great books, Navy, or read the books and you know studies show that this whole thing helps you go from the Beta brains. The alphabrain adult brain I'm GONNA. Hold my breath while you tell us about okay ready. Okay? I, it's really all I had to say about it, but okay. So breathing through the nose activates the Harrison pathetic or calm system so again that would be the one where you're inside the cave. Things are chill. You don't need to be super alert. Breathing through your nose keeps you in that place and in this system we're going to breathe in through the nose, but then out through the mouth, so we're getting that balance in the cave outside the cave. Cave in the cave outside the cave. Even though earlier, the takeaway seemed to be. It's good to just be outside the cave, sometimes instead of the sort of gray area. We're just doing the gray area again, but sort of waited the other way. Then of course needs mentioned this again, he says eighty percent of all diseases chronic inflammation now. He said we might feel and Ross might be feeling. A tingling or a light headedness, and if that becomes too uncomfortable, just go back to your regular breathing, no big deal. Oh yeah, he has said we are the only animal that can control our breathing to affect our mental state I. Kinda doubt that's true. What do you think Ross because? I don't think so. One Minute Twenty five seconds. Job Thank you. Goodness. A. I'm trying to think how you would observe another animal modulating. It's breathing well. I mean you've definitely got like Wales doing that. Okay, I feel like the hard thing would be the effect by your mental state part. But I don't know just whatever people like we're. The only animals to blanket always shouts. Someone else's doing, and that's immediately. That triggers that response, which is okay. Let me think of every animal. I can think of and I'm with you like usually anything you can say about humans. You can point to some very close Korean other animals, and that's just with the shit. We know about come up with something that we don't yet know an animal that does that. There's probably still an animal that does that right. Have some fucking humility. so we did around of breathing on our back on our Matt's I got that Nice buzzy feeling. I think we'll tell you more about our breathing exercises because we did quite a few of them but. Mostly that maybe for next season. 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How To! With Charles Duhigg

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How To! With Charles Duhigg

"Hello Hangup listeners. This is Josh Levin WanNa tell you about an episode. They knew slate podcast that we're going to preview for you. <hes> the hang up and listen feed today it is an episode of how to with Charles Duhig it is hosted by Pulitzer Prize winning journalist and author the power of habit the aforementioned Charles Duhig and how to Charles uses his investigative reporting skills and finds experts to answer a listeners toughest questions will be coming out every week but there are four episodes free to listen to right now. Make sure to subscribe and Apple spotify or wherever you get your podcasts in this first batch of episodes Charles tackles how to be funny how to give your Mama Kidney and how to rob a bank. You are about to hear an episode that is sports related. It is called how to withstand pain. It's a fun and fascinating conversation with a runner who's about to tackle a two hundred grid in sixty eight Mile Ultra marathon and is totally freaked out understandably so we introduce her to a Dutch extreme athlete known as the the ace man who has developed a method for pain tolerance that includes spending hours submerged in ice water can he help our ultra marathoner cross the finish line nine. Keep listening to how to with Charles Duhig and you'll find out. Nobody likes to feel pain. That's why I I began to go into cold water. Cold water is like merciless but rightous at brain right there you gotta learn one way or another and I thought aw shit this is it and now I'm able to train anybody on. This is how to the show where we help people figure in how to solve life's toughest. I'm Charleston and this is sophie. I'm an safey power and I'm an ultra around and mother. I've got two boys age one four. Oh my gosh you actually are a little famous as a mother and an ultra marathoner right so <hes> <hes> a photo was taken in me on one hundred six Mile Mountain race whilst Iowa's breastfeeding my three month old baby and expressing the other side so <hes> in a mother heads can be pretty kick ass. If you can't tell Soviet herself is pretty kick ass that photo of her nursing her baby during an ultra marathon it went viral and it and it made her into this kind of Michael how did you how did you come to running like where you always naturally an athlete no no. I was second last in the mile at school. <hes> I was I was fourteen. I was an overweight kid. I wasn't sporty tool but then <hes> I guess this morning Kentucky later I was made redundant my job and finance and told you can have babies and I was twenty six. I just got married and thought maybe I don't want HAP- babies she eventually changed her mind about the babies but she never changed her mind about being pissed off the people had written her off that way and I she she poured all those frustrations into exercise she took up kickboxing and then at the urging of a friend she decided to start running in so she began training for for her first race and because she was still kind of pissed off and she had something to prove and she needed a goal in her life at that moment so something that she felt like she was making progress towards she decided to train for this famously hard ultra marathon in the Sahara desert called the marathon the sub sign up for this race. I've I've never run more than this model in my life and I've got nine months to train. <hes> and I thought you know what I'm just going to lend to run. Say the next day I went for a run the marathon onto Saab. It's extremely grueling six-day course it's a crazy race so it's about a thousand runners and it's so hot scorchingly hot but you also extra problems that you're carrying this big weight in your back of all the food you have for their six days. Your am sleeping bag asleep. He Matt Your Cookie Material and don't have enough food because he can't physically carry that much so just make sure I got this right. You're running five five marathons in the middle of the Sahara desert in six days six and six days. Oh I'm sorry six marathons in the middle of the Sahara desert in six days death <hes> what I mean I can't do one marathon without falling apart. What's that like like? What do you remember about it? It's beautiful civil. I think the the thing about the the distances seem long but as she could all day to do them say I was pretty quick in that race and this is a race I realize actually in ultra mining is something that I have a talent for 'em in some way compared to other people and the racist toughen and yet keep going every day but this wasn't one of the races <hes> <hes> I hit the wall I I found it comparatively easy this six marathons and six days that sounds weird I know but I can came back going you know what I need. Okay do another one and so she did and then she did another one and another one so he's run more than thirty ultramarathons through that she's gotten pretty good at tolerating pain. I was gene brilliant four hundred thirty eight miles and my quad sunny exploded and I had to limp downhill for five hours house to finish. I had the stomach cramps called governable by the trail for quite a long time I was hallucinating really badly because they had slapped and there's blood coming out the back of my heels and it was horrible. One race did in Cambodia. I was drinking too much water. My brain essentially swelled and I fell into a coma after after four days was airlifted out <hes> a my husband had to take a phone call saying that you know those fifty percent chance I lived but if I did then I'd have brain damage. Sophie survived that race and she recovered actually surprisingly quickly she has to monitor her salt salt levels now but but she's still running ultramarathons and as I mentioned even breastfeeding newborns along if all this sounds totally insane to you it it also sounds in Saint Tammany running an ultra marathon it seems like this huge scary thing and suddenly for the first time in a long time hi it's starting to feel that sophie too because now she's planning on running a race a new kind of race that she's never done before and she's really really spooked by it and that's the reason she reach out to us. superwoman Soviet power is now entered into one of the toughest endurance races on Earth. Something called the Montaigne Spine race and she's totally freaked out by how much it's going to hurt seditious a new challenge where all the things that I've been used to using take to manage pain a lean taken away from me is a long non start race. I've never done anything like that so my longest nonstop before have been the B._B.. outrace house racy forty hours <hes> this will be more like one hundred forty hours everything that I've no works racist <hes> <hes> that's not gonNA stick it for this one. It's just GonNa be you alone with the pain and a map and a compass getting lost because they haven't signed pasted this. It's more than ten marathons in less than seven days over. This boggy rugged terrain in the middle of literally. Nowhere is nearly twice as long as the race but there's no way in the middle and there's a lot of people are pitstops to give you support is a huge amount time and lobby through the dog. I think I can get quite negative through that and I could be massively lost. If I'm really lost they track so we say we want to invite anyone. Anyone can track the race and you'll see all these dots on a on a moving map of England so I know if I go so far wrong. Get me but I wonder if miles the wrong way. It's just me and I on on on on a ridge. I am very very nevis totally brother that nervousness. What does it feel like. I feel my in my stomach. It's it's slightly sick of the moment that the thought of my very tiny passan crossing this massive expanse is land. He's just overwhelming. You scared yes when an ultra tro marathoner says she's scared that something will be painful. That's when you know that it's going to be very very painful and so we found an expert in withstanding pain to helps us prepare we we found this guy. He's an extreme athlete from the Netherlands named Wim Hof or as he's known to his friends the iceman now just a week ago. I was seventy minutes and longer in ice water. I had a great time Chung. We'll hear more from the iceman after the break. At what point did you did you. I say to yourself you know what I'd really like to do. I'd really like to do things that are super duper painful like like how ready get to that point. I was seventeen years old forty three years ago is when I found too cold water the ice water for the first first time I felt attraction to go in and it took me past perceived limits. It took me pass. What everybody was saying is impossible impossible. It took me past my fears. What happens if you sit for a half hour in is water. It's painful but to me. It's pleasurable so we found this guy named Wim. Hof the <music> ice. Have you ever heard of a Wim Hof but that's a great name. It's a great name so so this guy actually has a bunch of world records he he he has taken the longest bath in ice in history that we know of <hes> he has climbed snow covered mountain peaks wearing only shorts yes and no shoes he actually took a group on up to. Everest and they didn't make it to the top but they came pretty close without without a shirt on and I don't believe he was wearing in his shoes when he did it. He ran a marathon in the desert without drinking any water so this is a guy who spends all of his time thinking about how to withstand pain how do I how do I mentally steel myself and he had a couple of suggestions. A couple of rules rules that he thought would be really helpful for you. As you get ready for this race in the first one has to do with breathing she might it'd be a lot better conditions than ninety percent of the people but if you go to sixty mild which is bloody bloody march. She asked to work work on how to supply more oxygen. When the reserves are exhausted you will have to face defer and the fear is a signal that your body is telling you cannot do this? I do understand so it is very simple. Breath breath in in exert all all you got and fully and followed the valley chest hat and Dan you let go don't go fully out you just let it go and then you get it foodie and again letting adding go if you do that forty times carbon dioxide is being blown off more oxygen is able to bind into deep deep tissue. It is very simple. She asked to do in the morning when the raises comment do this breathing and you become alkaline and Wendo raises starting learn to tune deeper with deeper breathing patents since into your buddy we are actually mammals and bill to be able to keep on going. That's why we are able to go into these. The extreme challenges it's actually going back to our primordial nature so let let me start by by fully acknowledging some of the stuff that whim says it's a little little eccentric right not all of it is rigorously peer reviewed but but he has this theory that basically humans like all mammals are actually built for huge amounts of endurance and huge extraordinary physical activities but that most of us live these kind of comfortable lives right. We we put on Parkas before we go outside. We we wear shoes when when we when we run and that if we can simply get more in touch with R. as he puts it are primordial nature that our bodies are actually designed for really really hard physical things. What do you think about. I have never thought about it. I really I mean I i.. I know I D- I naturally breathe very deeply and slowly I am. I played the trumpet quite seriously at school and <hes> but I I completely agree with him. I think I'll buddies are absolutely amazing so I I was Gonna ask you if you wouldn't mind. I'm doing something crazy. which is let's let's try whims method right now and let's do that instead of the forty times because I would take a little while and we're not we're not on the marathon trail yet and then could you try and do some push-ups two cy from when you normally do push ups? How many times can you normally do. I'd say I could be like fatty okay. Let's do it so you thought. It was a podcast but actually it's a it's an entire workout. I love how this is. GonNa Sound. Okay okay. I'll start okay. I'm GonNa try and do it. In whims voice you aren't DP and then they maybe not so big hitter twenty deep breaths and then she got down on the floor to do some push ups. Okay you ready for the PUSHUPS Sylvia. Did the first I thirty push ups no problem and then she just kept on going. Oh my gosh how forty-seven pushups that's a huge number of push ups. How did it feel like what did that feel like they felt easy to my uh-huh gave in at the end. I don't depreciate trading so that's pretty cool. Do you think do you think that the breathing. Even did it did it help. Did you think made a difference. I think the weird thing about it was the mentally it definitely changes his some calmness. Now you feel I tried to the night I it's weird. It's just taking twenty wes but <hes> when you're running sometimes and everything's going really well you kinda zoned out and it's wonderful and I think that's it's a similar feeding actually yeah I i.. It's a it's. It's sort of like you get into this contemplative space because you're focusing on your breathing instead of focusing on on how much things hurt yeah. I think this is going. It'd be pretty helpful. I'll be pretty good at by a thousand days. That's up to twenty pushups. Can I do after a thousand. Let's do baby eighty staff. Let's I get it. Okay so let's let's go to the next rule because it because it's not just breathing so the the next rule that whim that women has is he has this is why it's called the ice man. He has this thing about cold exposure. He believes in the power of cold cold water. He's like merciless but rights and branch and right there. You GotTA learn one way or another learning how to deal with stress even even in extreme conditions. Are we able to do that. Yes my teacher is Nicole so let me pull out for a moment here. Explain I mean why women's so into because you know. This is kind of like an unusual hobby. Wim Hof says he first discovered the power of cold as a teenager when one day he was walking through a park in Amsterdam and he felt compelled to jump in a freezing. This is what I found when I was seventeen. I just founded founded there. In the cold water. It attracted me and I thought shit. This is it this will make me able to connect with that undescribable undescribable irrational gut feeling. I was looking for and now I'm able to train anybody. Here's a whim says he would train sophie both so day one why minute cold shower but I don't like I say you you won't you. WanNa take get rid of opio fear of doing two hundred sixty miles and begin with that and within ten day she is able to go say at least a five to ten minutes into a cold cold shower. The condition of vascular system grows fast into its innate capacity because we don't expose too. We always are dressed up. That's why it's like a muscle. That is not trained so the condition gets less. I tell you want to really perform. Get you a vascular system the right way nature mandatory so there you go. Wim Hof thinks that you should take cold showers. There's and if you don't like that then he says you. What do you think a hey coach hours showers? I've even those that can co boss. People go through say that it's good for inflammation in the legs on my Nana. I'll get an education because at least on enjoy it <hes> do you. You know it like I am willing to give it a goggle five days so I could walk up to five minutes in five days so there's a lot of science behind why we use cold exposure rate win win describes that you what we do is we help our vascular system. We help contract a lot of the smaller capillaries and we move heat into our core but the other part about it is this is teaching ourselves that we can withstand this pain right that we can choose pain and teaching ourselves ways to cope with ignoring it. Does that make sense to you know I mean it completely. I guess can while we is the same thing we've run training. You put yourself through could have difficult oh periods of run training on the sprint intervals and your dying at the end Anina that that makes you in the race. You can say I've been hit before. Am I got through it. I mean I guess I'll be going through quite coach hours. In the race. I mean Scotland pretty cold and it's going to rain so yeah. I'M GONNA try it tonight. I'm going to get in the coach our <hes> my husband's Canadian screams from upstairs but I you know what I'm willing to throw everything at this so I might as well give give it a guy and and just to put it in context you know it's five minutes in a cold shower which sounds even as I'm saying it that sounds like so unpleasant but whim actually immerses himself self in ice baths for hours at a time in order to train his body and his mind to withstand this and if if it's <hes> if it's a terrible experience for you you can just blame the iceman in writing and I'm going to blame. I guess it's kind of like me saying to. I want these ultramarathons and I say to my friends. You could run a five K.. He's basically saying to me and I D two hours. You can do five minutes good. Well Okay so so and we've got one more roulette so ice man's rule three is program your your mind do debris leading duty. Koelsch hours and the most important one is learn that you are able to program yourself your brain and find peace and peace means. It's not stupidly. I'M GONNA do to under sixty miles. I'm going to do it because I i.. I'm that no you find in new COT. You feel you are up to it in other words what win the saying is that you should listen to your fear but but you should recognize that it's not just telling you to be scared. It's telling you that you need to do something. You can decide ahead of time. I'M GONNA program my mind so that when I'm scared when I'm in pain I can breathe more or can meditate as long as you have something to do. Then that pain becomes referred and I know fear is a great signal is like McCain sick. No Hey look at me. Look at me. Get you focused right over here at the pain and so did this just what I tell her. Go to gut feeling and <hes> field piece. It's there <music>. Does that sound like something. You've struggled to master before. I think it's something I have at. She doesn't really well out before aw in some races but I'm struggling with it now and I don't know why I'm struggling with it. Now I think maybe in this one I'm going to have to switch my mind off to enjoying the journey <hes> <hes> because it is a journey may be race and trying to enjoy if it's in the middle of the night that hopefully it's clear night and I can see stars ause because I'm going to be so remote that the sky should hopefully be full of stars so hopefully if it's dark. That's that somewhere I can get you just looking looking up and I think that's kind of a little bit. What would was talking about when he says he says that this rule is program. Your mind you know the there's all this stuff about the physical nature of the the deep breaths and the cold training and the biochemistry but at the same time when you're in that moment of pain and you're in that moment of agony if you've decided ahead of time what what you want to think about what you look for as some type of Solis then you know where to go you know how to break yourself out of that spiral of of hurt and of. Of Agony I think I think the translation of what he's saying is going to program my brain to be positive <hes> and logical as to why I will be able to finish this case really hard but everyone's finding ready Hod and actually I've prepared well enough to finish the race so I think that will probably give me the confidence that I think we'll say as I packed my bag that will before the race can program me into saying you know everything has been thought of on my head towards batteries where maps compass everything <hes> we shaving cream <hes> there will be things that I can't predict the could stop me if I have a bad full but it shouldn't be my mind and my body let me down. I've got to be aware that it's it's about fifty percent completion rate so let me ask you this so sophie's at Mile Two two hundred let's say in her brain is just like screaming at her to stop and she's in pain in hurt so bad and she scared and I say to her. We'll just relax lacks. I think she's going to say how by following breath deeply following Brazil by doing those four forty deep breaths yes or until she feels the difference we are built to make the difference and you talk about Sofi free after two hundred miles being exhausted Abbas shoot down this. This is GonNa quit no matter what the whole motivation is gone curse everything and she is just paralyzed and Empain itchy able at that moment to make a difference. Yes you are now breath again just and still breath deep reconnect reconnect into the depth. The power of your mind is able to find a solution for the biochemistry and make the Change Change you see that the magic happens. It's amazing are you. Are you feeling more ready. Do you feel you still feel really the anxious or do you feel less anxious now. No I felt comrade sheet. The breathing helps <hes> I feel calm. I think it having someone that's extends what it just say can do this this this this <hes> a making me reflect on the fact that actually there's no reason to be scared and when it gets really badges think at least like I might be in the Middle Noah it might be. I might be emotional state lost at least I'm not having a coach our yeah exactly it could feel low worse for us and I'm going to my gates you is going to be at least I'm not having a cold shower. That's that that's going to be brilliant. That's been 'cause I hate coach hours. We'll thank you so much sophie I we I really appreciate it and we're going to be rooting for you. It's the reason five days right you're in five days. You're heading off to do this exactly. I'm very scared but thank you very much. I think this is this. This is at she barely cleared my head on on quite a few things so five days after we spoke so took a train from her home outside of London to the starting line of the race and with just forty other runners because that's the only people they could find who are willing to run this race. They took off on this huge epic quest there was kind of amazing tracking her progress on the race website that she was doing this. She was the little L. Dot slowly moving up the jagged two hundred sixty eight miles the connect the bottom of England skuld unday three she the sentence this message stay three. I'm fifty five hours into the race about one hundred thirty five miles done so over the halfway point such a long way to go <hes> it's hot and humid thunderstorm me <hes> really difficult conditions in the last forty miles. I haven't had any dry feet because being covered in bulk. It's really tough <hes> a few months ago it. It just came over me. How immense this challenges? There's a sure to raise it stops at one hundred and six and seeing them finish at the chat point nine that I still have another one hundred Jordan hundred sixty miles to go really overwhelm me so I tried the breathing exercises <hes> the culture is definite walking because what I really would love now as mccollum shower. It's so hot and humid and we'll see we'll see how guys later I'll check in nature then a couple of days later she did it. She crossed the finish line. She had just gone the equivalent of ten marathons in one hundred nineteen hours. It's amazing. Here's the last message we got from former sale. I'm absolutely ecstatic. I finished the race in just under five days. which is my target? What I realized I during the really painful times when my my feet will getting Momo swollen they were getting infected going to the breathing and keeping it going got me out the other side so I want to say thank you so much? I think you've really helped me mentally facing less pain. I hope the advice is helps anyone else I let each case you pain because it's all in your head and if you have a strong wind that will get your body through these challenges yeah congratulations to Sophie Power for finishing insane ultra marathon and we really appreciate her being gained for trying all these crazy ideas even in the cold showers and thanks also to Wim Hof the iceman for sharing his wisdom about how to withstand if you're interested in learning more about Lewin's ideas then you should absolutely check out his book the way of the iceman how the Wim Hof method creates radiant mantra mouth thanks to Wim Hof the iceman for sharing his wisdom about how to withstand pain if you liked what you heard there's a lot more where that came from and again some of it you know it's. It's a little bit out there but if you're interested pickup is book the way of the iceman how the Wim Hof Method Crete's radiant radiant long term health finally. 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How To Use Stress To Your Advantage And Perform Better In Just About Any Situation  Scott Carney (Ep. 272)

Elite Man Podcast

57:06 min | 1 year ago

How To Use Stress To Your Advantage And Perform Better In Just About Any Situation Scott Carney (Ep. 272)

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It's just incensed from from elite man magazine and my guest. Today is Scott Carney. The author of the upcoming book the Wedge Depending on when this episode has released the upcoming book the Wedge and also the best selling book. What doesn't kill us? Scott thanks so much for coming on the show today. Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. Yes Scott you actually met Wim Hof a few years back and initially that book that I mentioned what doesn't kill us. You had an idea for for a book from correct me if I'm wrong but you had an idea for a book to disprove Wim Hof and some of his teachings in what he was kind of talking about at the time but then you dove into his work in actually completely flipped your position on his. Take on everything and his work and all that stuff and then became a huge supporter of him. Is that right? Yeah that's more or less right. You know I got this commission from Playboy magazine. Back in two thousand and ten. To debunk Wim Hof method. Because I had already been sort of a big in debunking false gurus. I had a book coming out called the enlightenment trap Which was essentially how meditation can kill you and I heard about Wim. Hof and I was like the first real journalist to go after to look into the Wim. Hof Method and at that point it was the very first training session that he'd ever run before in Poland and Wim. Hof Now is like this. International Man of mystery like a relief. Sort of. He's he's on the scene right. He's hanging out with Oprah now but at that point You Know Wim. Hof was not really well heard of. And if he had been heard of it was he was known as like a circus. Act more or less like somebody who does something crazy and cold and look at this crazy dude. And he had started putting out messages saying that he could teach anyone to control their body temperature and their immune system at will. And you know you'd see photos of like sitting on an iceberg somewhere in his underwear and And I had just written a book or just written a series of articles that was becoming a book about how this likes her. Search for super powers can make people crazy and can make them die. I'd seen a lot of people die due on that journey and so I went out to to to Hof because I wanted to show I wanted to to get ahead of the chaos. That might come up because he's a very sort of charismatic dude And I wanted to sort of show the world that he was a charlatan so I flew to Poland. I met him and you know you've spoken to him have you have you. Have you have on your your show list? And you know he's a crazy disorganized speaker Keith. In person you know he he like at that point. He actually showed up wearing felt green pointy hat. I was like he didn't look like a garden gnome and I was like this is going to be a super easy debunking because this guy is obviously crazy but it turns out you know I try method and it works in the matter of a week. I'm sitting in the snow and melting the snow around male holding my breath for crazy periods of time and an autoimmune illness that I'd had since childhood goes into remission and it now we're ten years out and it's still in remission and holy crap like basically I had to go from being the skeptic. Who's got a debunk? This dude to writing an article That sort of really put him on the map as someone to take seriously. You know this was before vice covered him. It was before you know any of the major media that came out and play boy. That's was sort of the thing that kicked off This sort of like a huge event that women is now And then I wrote a book in two thousand and Twenty seventeen it came out called. What doesn't kill US sir? Diet looking at the journey and where I asked the question you know is is win win. That superpowers like as a superhuman dude or other evolutionary in scientific explanations that That make sense out of it and you know I'm an anthropologist. I'm an investigative journalist. I ended up on the scientific side and It has been an amazing answer. A life changing journey to have worked with Wim so closely for almost ten years. Now Yeah. That's incredible so there's a lot to pick out of that and I'll probably jump around a bit but the What doesn't kill us? Book is that solely on. Whim offers other people as well. Who Have you know these quote unquote extraordinary powers superpowers? So what doesn't kill us is looking at the interface between the human body and a cold in general and how facing that challenge. That stress of cold can change your body. So it's you know three or four chapters about women people who are using the Wim. Hof method It's also about my experiences doing with women. I ended up climbing. Mount Kilimanjaro with him. I'm in a bathing suit. We in twenty eight hours. It's negative thirty degrees outside and I'm alive you know You know the army's predicting that we're going to die so that's part of what I'm also hang out with laird. Hamilton The epic big wave Surfer Malibu. He's great So so he is an ex PT. Training so I meet with him. I hang out with Brian. Mackenzie who is a sort of a a breath work coach training coach. I think he's working with the rock now and Also us area so that the US Army's environmental unit. And so. I'm sort of looking at all of these people who are putting themselves under intense stress finding ways to control themselves and watching the amazing performance changes that people are able to to bring out in themselves by putting themselves in these environments. And that's that's what doesn't kill us. You mentioned the auto immune condition that you had. What was that before and do you practice the Wim? Hof breathing technique every day now to sort of keep that at bay or is it just gone and never came back. You don't really have to worry about it anymore. So the autoimmune condition was you know in the annals of medicine. It's probably the most boring one out there. I've I've had canker sores since birth these these dime sized ulcers in my mouth that when you know make it hard. They really painful hard to smile. Hard to talk on and I would get them once a month and they last for about a week For you know all through my you know tens Twenties and thirties. I had this this issue And then when I did the women off method I wasn't even thinking about the the canker sores like they just wasn't a thought of mine and usage never came back and I've been doing off method consistently just about every day except the days when I'm lazy but that's most days I get I I I do it and An and they don't come back or if they do like there's I can sort of feel that the beginning sensations which is sort of a bump in the Lebanon double down on the Whim Hof Method. They go away before they mature. And so that's that's my experience with the autoimmune illness But I certainly have met so many people on this journey. People who've had the same sort of experience with Crohn's disease where they have ulcers throughout their intestines and those go away people with rheumatoid arthritis where their joint to the size of a like a golf balls. And those go down like like I know. Mine's sort of minor but but people throughout the world are really seeing these these amazing results but it does need to be a constant practice right. It needs to be something that you You keep up do it at least three times a week but probably more. I'm a huge fan of Wim. Hof reading technique actually made a video on it and how to do it the easy breakdown of it but you know even doing one round of it takes just a couple of minutes and it's so good for you throughout the day you know throughout your week or whatever even if you don't you don't do it every single day. I get it because you know. It is a bit of a commitment but you should at least do it a couple times a week to three times a week. I think is is really good for you. Overall are you. Do you still consider yourself to be a skeptic of things like this? Are you more sort of the believer category when you hear different? Incredible extraordinary say superhuman type of things around the world. Are you now like art? I want you know necessarily buy into it right away. But I'm not really a skeptic anymore just because women has sort of blown my mind in the past. I know that there's other incredible things going on. I'm definitely more open minded but I still want evidence. You know because you know it's funny. I I think about this a lot because I am much more open. And I'm doing really crazy things now because with the wedge sort of like. I'm like well have done them. Half Method for ten years. What's next and that's like the big question and so I'm trying really crazy. And out their stuff and some of this stuff works does amazing things and some of the stuff is sort of crap so I find that having these skeptical mindset is actually very very beneficial. Because I don't have to wade something. Looks really fishy. I can still be like that. Looks Fishy for instance. I got like probably thirty emails from people when Kovic nineteen comes out saying five G. Spectrum caused this and I was like that's bullshit. I don't even really need to do it like that. So so you know you have to remain skeptical skeptical because the the the world is full of Cockamamie ideas but you also need to be open to trying stuff that looks reasonable and that that could give you opportunity and And so I'm sort of like in this middle camp where you know trust but verify. Yeah I'M GONNA say one hundred percent and you're right. I don't even know where that five G. thing came from like just kinda talking about what's going on right now but I heard that probably a week ago and I'm like what the fuck is with people like I. Actually the Five G. Thing Israel. I believe that that is real in that you know. Ems and all that Shit is real. Who knows how bad five Jesus for sure but there are? They are coming out with five G. Technology and all this other stuff but it is not connected to this thing going on right now. The Corona virus. That is completely two separate issues. I don't know how you could even come up with the idea that conspiracy theory that this is the same thing. It just doesn't make any damn sense to me but you know there's there's a lot of wacky out there and there's a lot of skeptics. That would never believe even the shit that you're talking about today. Scott the Hof method and the breathe in the incredible even looking at the science they would dismiss it or they wouldn't look at the science most of them you know. There's a lot of people in that end of the spectrum but there's also a lot of people on the other end of the spectrum of belief everything and you know everything's a conspiracy theory and everything's this and I it's Kinda like there's a there's a fine balance of that and you've got to find a place in the middle and look at the research. Look at what's going on. And you know the the actual empirical data and the people that are getting results and then Kinda way it with what. The data actually says is supposed to be enclosure and not being open to. What's out there and you also need a an output. I think that's very important is to when you're trying a new practice you should have some sort of falsify ability and this is the scientific method. You should be like well. I'm going to go into something and there's a positive result that I could find or feel right and there's a negative result that that sort of proves the null hypothesis. And if you look into a lot of these conspiracy theories all they're doing it's like it's like in beautiful mind where they have the that chocolate that that sort of a pin board Cork Board up on their wall and they're just making connections between all sorts of crazy ideas but they're not going anywhere right there. There's no destination in which they are trying to Arrive at they're they're just trying to make connections and be like look. Isn't this world weird and as an investigative journalist? I get tons and tons of emails from people who are schizophrenic. Who are saying. Look you got to investigate you know. One of my first books that organ trafficking spent six years looking at the ways people buy and sell kidneys and skeletons and pregnancies and all sorts of shit illegally around the world and so I would have so many people messaging may be like. Why is my dentist stealing my teeth? You know my doctors told my toes and I'm like no they didn't do. They did all right. Nice Dude I should. I should introduce you to my friend. Eric Maral. He does a lot of the similar work. I don't know if you've heard of did He did a documentary called the gods sales. It's about stem cells in Ukraine. They have the best stem cells around the world. The embryonic actually no sorry fetal stem cells like the only legit place in the world that does fetal stem cells incredible documentary but kind of similar to you. I mean he has a skeptic mind. He's always asking questions but I'll never just buy stuff but he's open to to do in research doing the investigation like you do and then finding out the truth because there's always true always two sides of the story and then there's truth in the middle of that right. He's a he's a great guy. Thank you to think he'd really click with also did a couple of documentaries on People that have reverse cancer like Stanley Brzezinski. I think his name was a guy in the eighties or nineties or something. He was doing incredible work with cancer. And they just kinda suppressed it and You know a lot of crazy shit like that going on. But you're right though. There's a lot of people that will just think everything's conspiracy everything you know the government's hiding everything and everybody's evil and you know you get a lot of people asking these questions. You got to filter through a lot of that nonsense to and do the do the work to figure out what's real what you even want to invest in too because if you jumped all these rabbit holes. I mean you'll never get anything done but yeah so the last thing I wanted to mention too. Is You mentioned that people have died? You actually before you got into this stuff and you started believing women and going through the work yourself and seeing how powerful it was hiking up the fucking mountain and negative thirty degree weather which is insane before you mentioned that you came across a bunch of people who died seeking these super natural superpowers. Whatever some of those people looking for an who? How do they actually die? So the first one was in two thousand six. I was the leading an abroad program for American College. Students north India So my background is in anthropology. I have I'm abd which means everything by the dissertation for a PhD. And and you know my my job at one. Point was leading these abroad programs and You know we. We toured the holy spots north India. you know. Varanasi Delhi and into both guy which is where the Buddha attained enlightenment about twenty eight hundred years ago and they are. We did this ten day silent Meditation Retreat and I have twenty students under my care. And and you know we're and we're just meditating silently with a Tibetan Buddhist nun teaching us about enlightenment and Nirvana and all his bliss and always really positive things right and on the last day of the retreat. The my best and brightest student a woman named Emily O'Connor twenty one years old been doing yoga for a years and years and years. She climbs up to the roof of the retreat center ties up a blindfold around her head and jumps off to her death landing three feet from where I'm sleeping. I I wake up out there which we're trying to resuscitate it's it's like the most traumatic and horrible event of my life but I'm also speak Hindi. I've lived in India at this point for three or four years. The Guy in charge of this group and I read her journal and the some of the last lines of it declared that she is what they call. A body sought A enlightened angel more or less and All she had to leave her body to serve achieve that next level. And I'm reading. This is just madness right. So how does this search for bliss and wonderful and up in a corpse right next right next to me and then this actually event directs the next ten years of my life and you know you can read all about that event in my first book the Red Market and I also talk about it in the enlightenment trap But essentially I found whole groups of people like India's mental asylums fill up with Westerners who has something called India Syndrome where they come to India. Think they're enlightened think they're getting superpowers because while there meditating. I don't know if you're a meditative. But if you meditate the things change right light while you're sitting there you have these sort of like mild hallucinations where the the light is getting brighter. And dimmer you you hear sounds time seems to slow down or speed up and you can take these things as a sign of superpowers of what they call. Sid. These. And and there's a whole yoga tradition about how to accumulate these superpowers and there's a lot of gurus who are willing to sell you the idea of cities to become superhuman and then the book. The enlightenment trap falls a different person. Who Sort of joined a Tibetan Buddhist sex cult in Arizona and died meditating in a mountain There's some stabbings I mean. There's some crazy stuff there. Suffice it to say to some all of that up the search for enlightenment is potentially dangerous and what Wim Hof was offering is actually a well known Sydney. That's mentioned in the Yoga Sutras mentioned in the Tibetan traditions which is consciously controlling your body temperature And it's considered a minor of the you know it's not like walking through walls or flying. But when I saw that I was like Oh man. He's he's queuing into the same yoga lit- literature and I didn't believe it was possible. And that's sort of how that whole that's how I went from being skeptic to someone who really sees value in this so I write one book and how Meditation Can Kill you and I might next books. How like meditation can make you Super Awesome and now my third book right so so I've done hung out with him for ten years. A climbdown for Milk Kilimanjaro. When I'm at the top of Mount Kilimanjaro. I have this insight at the top of the mountain. And it's the cheesiest thought I've ever had in my life and it is. I am not on the mountain. I am the mountain right. Which is it's the sense of a one. This is a sense of connecting with everything and and I really felt that the way I the my success and remember this is negative thirty degrees. And I'm in a bathing suit right. That's that's a crate and I've been on this mountain for twenty eight hours. The what I felt. Is that my success? Here did not have to do with my own personal grit and determination. It actually had to do with me connecting and reaching out to those elements reaching out to that stress and letting it flow through me and connecting with that environment. And I felt that this was this sort of fundamental insight that that exists in many Tibetan tradition. Many sorry spiritual traditions out there. But I figured that I could hone that and go deeper. And find new ways to apply the central insight into the Wim. Hof Method which is which is why I termed the wedge into all sorts of different stuff into conquering fear into conquering anxiety. Depression into enduring crazy heat and sensory deprivation in an ultimately into psychedelics in a really bizarre experience in the Amazon. That is awesome dude. And you you mentioned a lot of great points as well but you know I'm thinking too when you're when you're talking about these charlatans you're talking about these people who've taken advantage of other people you know they get into this culture this belief and they basically brainwash them into doing crazy shit. That's very unhealthy and potentially deadly and in many cases it is a sad thing and I think a lot of people were looking for that magic bullet there. They'll do anything to To try to get that and and the truth is there is no such thing as a magic here. There's a lot of things that can work in a lot of things that can help you tremendously. But there's no magic bullet to a lot of these conditions. I'm thinking to top of my head. Andy Kaufman in the movie. Man on the moon goes to that guy you know he. He has great movie. Great Story and Andy. Kaufman was a great character. Great great comedian in the seventies and eighties but He goes to that guy is a might have been India something. He's like supposedly Indonesia Indonesia okay carrying his cancer. Any looks over. You know he's like pulling. I think it was like blood or chicken chicken bits. Yeah he's cleansing his blood or something looks over and it's like a chicken like raw chicken or whatever and he's like pretending to do it in indy sees it and he's like he knows he's fucked at that. Point was just a you know as a scam the whole time but people get fooled searching for that magic bullets again. It's a sad but I'm I'm glad that you're able to kind of shine. A light in some of these areas for other people to see that there are. There is a lot of benefit like meditate. I actually do meditate quite regularly. But I don't do it in a sense of like trying to do anything magical. It's it's like. There's a lot of good benefits to meditation as you probably have become aware of after doing whim. Stuff generals practice to be healthier but not like a magic bullet care and I think a lot of people can fight to this. There's a lot of issues that can arise when you do that. Well I think what the what I think what I'm really hearing you say is it's just not the. It's not the practices that you need to bring something to it right. It's not just. There's one thing that solves the problem because meditation is actually very very beneficial in a number of ways but you need to meet the practice right. You need to come to it and put yourself in it and not expected to just going to passively. Change you end. And I think that's really what the wedges is all about. It's finding places where you know we put ourselves into stressful environments and what I mean by stress is really anything that you feel like. It doesn't have to be negative like we usually think of of stresses like a hard thing. But there's also positive stresses out there like sensations that are great and blissful and whatever and you put yourself in these stresses and then you try to enact a analyze how your body is responding automatically and see if you can change those automatic responses to operate in a different way you know that sort of sounds very abstract but let me give you a concrete example in the whim hof method when you jump into the ice water and Wim. Hof Method is like breathing stuff ice stuff. When you jump into ice water your natural bodily inclination is to clench up to to to sort of fight that environment and that clenching is. You're sympathetic nervous system. Which is your Your your fight or flight responses. It means you're releasing adrenalin releasing cortisol and trying to like just will yourself through this situation. But what the Wim. Hof Method teaches is instead of of fighting. You relax in that ice water. And now you're in a very in a stimulus that provides a constant exposure to your nerve to say cleanup and yet you're using your mind to go into your rest and digest place the place of calmness. And when you do that your body decides you know it says well. I'M NOT GONNA go die right. I'M NOT GONNA go give up and it finds a way to heat yourself up without using those adrenaline responses. It's a little bit harder for the body to get into that but once it does it realizes that it now has another option to deal with stress and with a wedge. What we're doing is applying that concept that that separating the stimulus the ice water from the response the clenching with your mind to everything else you know to fearful situation something that instigates that that rising motion when you feel fear like it's sort of in your gut right in your chest tightens and and and and these things happen it saying look here. The Sensation Manga. 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Like how did you come up with this concept of the wedged? You do. It did it. Just come to you after. Doing some of the stuff with women offers it completely. Different kind of arose out of the past few years of doing incredible work and pushing past your fears. Where did the actual idea of this book? Come up from the the concept. I mean there's actually a chapter called the wedge in what doesn't kill us and it started for me literally in an ice bath with Wim Hof like it. We're in a pond and looking at him and he's and he's saying like relax and I'm thinking Oh my God this is so hard and then being like no but I can do it and I can relax and I literally at that point thought of that. I was driving a wedge between that stimulus and that response and that that I was creating space There and and so the and that's where the metaphor originates But since then it's really become a lot more sophisticated because I'm realizing that you can insert that space at various points in your body. Not just in the conscious I will will myself to relax but Also you know just simply by choosing different right right now. We're in warm comfortable rooms right. And and so so. Our Body is responding all the time to stimulus from the environment. If you're at seventy two degrees you know you're you're a vessel constriction. The tone of the veins and arteries in your in your peripheral nervous system are at a certain level and if you just moved to a colder or warmer environment they either contract or expand depending on that environment that you're in and here's one of the like really important ideas. Is that you know. We used to think that the key to human health is diet and exercise right. It's it's some sort of combination between the stuff you eat and the way you move your body's to to change it you know in the gym you know you're doing sit ups and and and that sort of metabolising the food to make you jacked or whatever what is so important to realize that there is a third pillar of human health. Which is the environment that you're are inhabiting that is constantly. I'm giving information to your nervous system to change into one way or another and Cole is a great one. But there's also many other environments just sort of kick in to your passive neural responses and you could find somebody who's totally jacked in the gym and looks awesome but they might have a really crappy circulatory system because they've never gone into cold right. They've never actually moved out of their normal comfort zone that they they aren't exercising these these parts of their physiology. You're a hundred percent right. There's so much more to your health. And just diet and exercise so many other facets and the and the environment I think is is a good way to to encompass a lot of those different aspects of you know the sort of a idiosyncrasies of breaking up even more in in looking into specifics but Yeah I mean it's it's a powerful thing man. When you can control that I did want to ask you though about the Wim Hof thing. Do you think there was anything. Because you mentioned a funny comment few moments back when you said you became one with the mountain. You weren't just like sitting on the mountain you became the mountain. And when you did that in your mind there you know in your belief system. Do you think even right now looking back at that that there was something going on that you can't explain even as an investigative journalist. Is there something more to what you're experiencing what you did experience by working with women than just the science side of things can explain because the scientists already enough to prove that it works but was this something even greater? You know being a play here do you? Just chalk it up to the science and the The way our body works and how powerful that is well so I have a very sort of sophisticated understanding of human consciousness from this experience and from other experiences that I'm involved with and you know we sometimes think of our bodies as immutable as if that we as individuals are all. That's their right. You think of yourself you think you basically end at your skin right But but here's a very important question is who would you be without your history? Who would you be without the environment that you grew up with? And as as Alan Watts the great sort of philosophy Buddhist philosopher of the seventies and eighties said. Who would you be without the son like like? Imagine that like the Sun. Is this fucking ball of gas way for her way molten iron but somehow you exist and you exist because it has. It has formed the environment that provides gravity provides energy. It allowed evolution to happen it. It created the whole context of everything. It allowed you to even hear podcasts. Right because at some point there's one ultimate 'cause Which is coming into US which providing energy and also everything you think at when I'm speaking to now on this podcast on one person and if I'm speaking to my wife I'm a different person because I'm bringing in different aspects of my history and my thought process into these situations and I think that there's a misnomer in the in all of our consciousness. That is very very self-centered where we think that we are special when we're really part of something which is much much bigger Than what we can easily conceive now if you want to call that God. I'm fine with that. If you WANNA call that some sort of spiritual oneness. I am fine with that and but I think that that when we do these practices and it's not just the Wim Hof method. It's also this. I do this thing where I throw kettlebells around with with other people and when you're in his presence of danger you start realizing that consciousness is about a network. It's about a connection between everything. I actually really agree with that. And the more I studied conscious myself. I had somebody on the show recently to. He's talking about the same topic where I think it is like. We're all coming from whatever you WANNA call that again. You know the universe. God whatever specific belief you have I think it is something like we're all coming from the same source and that is feeding into different like we're all an offshoot of that almost like little arms or tentacles if you will of of that main source and we experienced life through this sort of Avatar which is our human bodies but without the human body you know you talk about other a very interesting things like say out of body experiences or near death experiences and things like that like when you don't have your body what are you if you are if you can see you know someone who's nearly died they can look over and see themselves and they have this. You know thoughts and everything. What are they actually doing if they are in their body? They aren't like my brain is an Oregon. The hearts and organ but the brain doesn't necessarily mean that that is your consciousness. That's your mind it's two different xactly. Can It's very very interesting topic. It's all I actually. I appreciate the fact that you have that opinion even though you are a science based Guy I broadly fit into this philosophical tradition called Pan Psych. Ism and this is not a major part of the book But it is this idea that if we have this problem with between body and mind which is what you're sort of looting to hear is that whatever the mind is whatever the body is there some sort of fundamental shift because I can't point to my brain and say this is love right. I can't point to my brain and say this is the sensation of whatever. There is some sort of fundamental disconnect between our physical selves are the experience of the world. But we do know it's verifiably factual that there is an experience. So what is that and another thing that I that I think about a lot is that you think about your gut. Microbiome thing about the your immune system with all the different critters that float around in there. And when I get up to the top of Mount Kilimanjaro. I'm sitting there and I'm looking at the world and I feel like I am the mountain but to get there. I needed to have all of these. This ecosystem inside of me working together to produce the right hormones to produce the right sort of metabolites and whatever to get me up there and they are experiencing killing the top of Kilimanjaro. As well but they're experiencing through the translation of my body they're experiencing it adds that wash of adrenaline that I'm releasing and you know like a macrophage right which is a type of immune cell in your body is suddenly bathed in adrenaline. And it's like Oh. I have to respond in different ways in in this environment. I think that I see consciousness in this way. Sort of Nested Russian dolls right or. There's one sort of series of things inside of another and that we what we experience as conscious is actually a group of consciousness that that has come together. And you know there's this super fascinating neurological study which I do talk about in the wedge where the brain has two hemispheres right. There's a right and left. And there's a corpus callosum in the middle which is the connector between those two spheres. Now there have been tons of studies on this now. If you'd the way the brain is wired one I is connected to one sphere and the other is connected to the other sphere. And when you see things sort of all gets combined and mushed up however if you take someone who his severed that connection between the two spheres of the brain and so that they are not they are now disconnected one. I will only talk to one half a brain and the other. I will talk to the other half of the brain. Here's the study that they did. Is You took a person who who walked in. And they covered one of his eyes and they showed so one sphere of his brain. The showed him a picture of a bell. And this will you draw this picture of a bell. And he drew the picture of a bell and then and then they had them cover the other and they said what is that he says that the bell and they said why did you draw that and I said I have no idea. Why do that? Because the brain is not wasn't talking and what this means that your brain actually has to at least two consciousnesses in it. 'cause it and it makes up stories that the guy actually responded. No I must have seen a bell on the way to this office here today. And that's why I drew a bell and so you make a story for why that action you had make sense. This is like the bizarre thing ever right. We feel like we're united into one consciousness and yet our brains are just lying to us all the time. Yeah it is incredible man. It's it's so interesting though to learn more and more about the science and like how it really works. And what's really going? There's so many more mysteries that will probably never be able to learn in our lifetimes but I think searching for that is really. It's one of the keys to happiness at least for me. It's like figuring out the unknown the mystery of the world and the many mysteries of the world searching in Canada getting closer and closer to that as I kind of go along with time I I find it fascinating Scott. I want to mention a couple of quick things before we sort of wrap things up. But there's a few very interesting stories in the wedge that I just wanted to maybe get era. Your quick take on it says in one one part of the story that one part of the book that you go to a cutting edge neuroscience lab at Stanford confront your fear. What did you actually do it? This lab specifically so I was trying to understand. So Andrew Guberman is a neuroscientist at Stanford and he is trying to look at the biological roots of fear by putting people into virtual reality simulators with stimulus which are trying to freak them out and by doing that. He's going to measure their automatic arousal so their biological responses to the stimulus for him. It's throwing people into a virtual shark tank too. You're surrounded by virtual sharks and and usually he put people who have like Shark Phobias in this tank And and they freak out and then they then they sort of learn to control their fear overexposure. And that's what's happening at his lab. He put me in the shark tank and my experience is sort of like cool. You know it's like they're they're that's a cool shark man and I didn't have that sort of fear response but you know what did happen. And he taught me a lot about the neurology of fear. And how it all wires and there and there's a really interesting concept called neural symbols which we probably don't have time to to go into but essentially everything that you experience or feel is connected to your past. It's connected to something in the past. That actually don't really vary off inexperienced the present you're usually experiencing emotional pass. Which is how you get phobias. Because you see a shark and even though it's not it's on a virtual screen. It's freaking you out because of past experiences that have wired shark of phobia into your into your neurology of. But here's the really cool thing as I was leaving Andrew Berman's lab and I got this phone call from a friend of mine named Tony. Who was like Scott? You got to go meet my friend Michael Castrogiovanni because he'll put you into an instantaneous flow state by throwing kettlebells at you and I was like Oh my God. That sounds so do she. I heard it and but I was like I associate. Kettlebells would like overly large Russian dudes and like way too much gym workout. And it just didn't. It doesn't speak to me but I but I was also like well. What the fuck. I'll just go do it and so a couple of hours later on meeting Michael and in my mind I'm like I really wish I'd had something that made me scared. So I could practice the wedge in a in a scary environment and that now facing down a dude who looks like a guerilla right. He's he's got he's got a biceps that are bigger than my thighs right and and he's sort of hunched over but sticking out you know big neck muscles and I'm like Oh shit he's GonNa throw that twenty five pound piece of iron at me and I'm GonNa have to go do something with it and you know what this experience is really really quite interesting. Because I know that Michael Doesn't want to kill me right. I know that's not what he wants to. But it cannot help my but from puckering when he's swinging this bell and I'm standing across from him and and there's this ritual where you start we're looking at each other's eyes and trying to connect it first and he and he throws he he brings the belt up in the first swing and I'm looking at him. He brings a bell up on the second swing and here. Now you're supposed to shift your focus from the eyes of the other person to the kettle bell. I do and the kettlebells threat. That's going to Breton break my foot and everyone's thinking yes got go break his foot right now and then and then on the third swing it comes up the kettlebells sort of flips in the air comes into my hand. I catch it goes between my legs and I pass it back. All of a sudden we have gone from adversaries to to people who are dancing and our motions are coordinated perfectly and the reason this happens is because the kettle bell a real danger right it can land on your foot and it can freaking break you and yet because we're both aware of that that threat. We are so laser focused on that kettle bell that that we just start passing back and forth and and our bodies sort of just respond automatically and instead of being this sort of like super macho like I can work out better than you sort of situation whereas adversarial confrontation on. We're one person's being better than the other it becomes an a- practice of trust about a empathy is become the connecting with another person with out words and it is this amazing practice and you know it looks cool on instagram too. But you you get this workout which is working out so much more than your muscles. It's working out baseline emotional states and it is an amazing thing. That sounds pretty interesting man. Actually you know obviously comical and in many ways but also very Very profound to an in a number of other ways there was an Amazon jungle segment of the book. Where you meet a Shaman. Who said you're either gonNA go crazy doing some type of ritual or you're GonNa Learn Universal Truth? Which one did you Did you learn so with that? One I I end up in the Amazon therefore eight days doing Iowa. Which is this very intense. A psychedelic brew. That makes you trip for like eight hours and You know I am in right out of key. Does which is in Peru. You know probably an hour outside of their You know no doubt surrounded by Jaguars there's no Internet. There's no phones. There's no electricity and I'm going to be in this place for a week and I meet the Shaman. Tony and and we have this sort of like. He's a little bit like a Wim Hof character. Look I'm not sure if he's charlatan or if he's real he speaks nonsense just like Wim and I'm like Oh this is creepy and scary. And you know the first time meet him. I just got off the airplane. And he's like okay. We'll drink the brew in two hours and I'm yeah that's like an eleven hour flight I am beat at this point But also a in it so I walk out into the jungle with him and to even further isolated and And I drink the brew in this eight hour ceremony. And he's sitting there and he's he's playing a drum he singing these sort of almost nursery rhymes songs and some sort of foreign language. Maybe it's Ketchaoua and you drink in Iowa. Oscar is this man it's like it's like rotten fruit mixed with coffee with the viscosity of motor. Oil Is disgusting and and and I and I drink it and then all of a sudden like the you know you sit back down and then there's this like the the colors around me change like the blackness of the room feels like it's been painted with a Palette knife and then and I'm thinking to myself I want to blast out into the universe like I want to have that connection experience again for eight hours and I want to like find. God you know I wanted to have these really big thoughts. And then the way they think about Iowa is that the that the Shamans will say that the plant is speaking to you. It's like the goddess via WASCO. Speaking to I don't know if that's true but it does feel like you're in conversation with something external to yourself and whatever this plant God is saying to me is basically like a psychologist and saying Scott. You are super lame new. You have a big fucking problem. And I'm like what may also I wanted to go see the universe and it's like no dude you play too many fucking video games and I'm like wait. What and here's the problem with being a writer I have all these fucking adventures out there but then and then I come home and I'm waiting for something to happen. A work from home and get totally sucked into video games. And like there's that you know they designed by neurologists right? They're designed to give you like the dings and the sense of accomplishment and this lady is just talking to you wait. You could've easily written two more books if you had not been doing this and it's like just just telling me how lame. I as I am and she also tells me that if I want to get rid of him I should. I need to create space in my life to fill something in that space and at the end this I I get that for like eight hours and I come out of my experience like Yo that was that was lame like I wanted to be blasted out into the universe and and and then I say next time. I'm going to do the Oscar and we're going to have a really intense experience so I grew the Iowa with Tony and with another Shaman and blowing my intentions into the with with sacred smoke and there's binds everywhere and I'm beating up the vines to crush it into make the brew better and it's like a probably a twenty eight hour process to make this so I went in and Tony's like this one is you are going to be in the universe this will be the bomb right. I'm like cool so so go out there again. And I'm like sitting and he's he's playing drums. He's singing his songs. And and I'm like all right cool cool we're going to go. I drink it down. Oh and one of the things that happens with WASCO. Is You puke like fucking vomit. And so after she was lecturing. May I vomited and it's like oh it's horrible because it tastes worse coming up than it did going down and and so. I drink this stuff and I'm like cool. Okay we're GONNA go into the universe we're GONNA go to yours and I had this vision of like a native American Dude. Walking around us really quickly like passing sacred smoker. I don't know where these visions come from. But this is just reporting are just reporting to you what I saw and and I'm sitting there like okay. We're going to have the bomb and he's playing his drum and fucking nothing. I'm sitting there and there's nothing happening. I'm like Oh my God. I came down to Peru and I'm sitting with this guy singing nursery rhymes. What the Hell's going on I sit there for like I don't know like forty five minutes an hour and just bored and and then I feel it coming up that horrible. Like churning in my stomach and I grabbed my dirty bucket. I've put it in front of me and I'm like Oh fuck it's gonNA come and homework. I'm just over at splashing into the Pale of the bucket. And I am vomiting up video games fucking kid. You not vomited up the space of video games and And I haven't played them in three years that desires just like literally the physical whatever that energy was that space was vomited out and and way more productive now and then the third time I do I get blasted into the universe. It's awesome to. That's pretty fucking cool. I like the video game thing to. That's fucking I mean. They're designed by people. Who want you to keep playing like like they are? I mean I'm not against video games. They're cool. I mean if you like video games like God bless you. I get it. I get why they're awesome but they're designed by people you know. Why do they say the most addictive game ever like? Why do they advertise that? It's because they're trying to do this and for some of us. It's especially tempting so I really understand how how these really powerful PSYCHEDELIC. Medicines can be really beneficial for addiction. And it's shown that they're not just good for video game addictions right now my experience but people with heroin addiction with cocaine addictions like they go down. And they try psychedelic therapies of various sorts. And they and they're like Oh my God I don't have that anymore and I get it now. I really just get it so Just wrapping things up. How do you? How do you actually practice the wedge this whole topic that you're talking about the concept of the wedge? How do people listening right now? Actually implement the idea of having this wedge in their life into their lives so the most important thing to do is branch out and find stresses things that I don't mean like fucking typing on facebook and having a political discussion. That makes you feel anxious. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about that. Physical things that gives you an emotional reaction and this can be heat. This can be cold this can be. You can find stresses in sleep. You can find all sorts of things out there in the in the book. I've got ten things at. I did which I think are great. Wedges you know fear. The kettlebells is a great one for fear. But you're trying to find these things that that that your body needs to push things that are not comfortable things that you need to like. In order to go up against them. You need to expand yourself and then you need to watch what your body is doing and you need to say I have options like my body can tell me tither clench up and resist or it can tell me. I can relax and different stimulus give you different responses and in the ones that make you want to relax you might. WanNa be clenching up. You Might WanNa find a way to be like. Oh that stress actually is hard and that now. You're training both your fight or flight responses and your or Your Training Your Essen Digest Responses. And you're trying to find ways to create space and define more options for how your body responds if you just want to practice and you're looking for one right now and I didn't give you a straight answer. Try Them Hof method. Try The breathing method which is essentially thirty deep breaths into your belly like that thirty times. Exhale hold for as long as you can until you're getting to that point where you feel you have to gasp and as soon as you. You're getting to that point. And Your Tangling. Whatever breathe deep and then do thirty more breaths and do it again and then after that do it again to three rounds of that exhale hold your breath and then you're gonNA find that you're holding your breath for a really long period of time. The stress you're creating is that gas reflects on the breath hold and the anxiety that comes with the rapid breathing and you're sort of toddling between rest and digest and rental response and then if you're if you're so inclined do yet one war but instead of holding your breath this next time. Exhale hold and do push-ups while you're holding your breath. This is the end. You'll find that those push ups are the easiest fucking pushups in your life and usually people do this and they're like Oh my God. There's something to this. There's something magical here and it's not magic physiological reasons why this works but is really eye opening and the other thing with. Wim Hof method take a cold shower. Get in there fucking suck it up sit there and instead of clenching and this is the most important part. Relax turn your that stress from a stimulus of of of threat to a stimulus of comfort. And then do a minute. Just sit there for a minute. Get Out and then feel how amazing you feel because it's instantaneous. Like I mastered the him off method in a week and so to just about everyone else's done his trip in Poland like it's not it's not rocket scientists just physiology and I think that's great. I also think you can throw kettlebells. You can go to my website. Scott Carney DOT com. There's links to all this stuff and yeah it's saunas float tanks. You know there's lots of ways you can. You can get into this stuff nice. Love Dude Scott has been an awesome and remain really. Do appreciate it what's a final sendoff takeaway message and then a place. I'll listeners can check out the new book I would say. Start feeling things you know use. Your sensations are important and they give you information about the environment and they are tools for us to use. Oftentimes we do not pay attention enough to sensations where you can find me. Scott Carney DOT com. You can get a sample chapter of my book there If you sign up for my email list I'm on instagram and twitter and Youtube and all those other places to there's an audio book That that'll be out. I mean you know you've if any this sounds interesting to you. It's all the way it's out there. You know how to find it. Just go do it. and again you just find out more. At Kearney Dot Com Awesome Matt Scott Thanksgiving coming. Umbro really do appreciate it take care. I'll talk to you soon. Awesome thank you all right guys. I hope you enjoyed that episode. Put before you go. There's one last thing I'd like you to do. And that's this. Subscribe to our podcast right. Now if you haven't already by subscribing to the podcast you get every single episode. The minute they're released. Get all of our leap man. Podcast episodes and all of our world-class advice. Absolutely free. Subscribe now if you haven't already become an elite man today and yes if you do the podcast. Leave us an amazing review. 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How To Do Wim Hof Breathing "The Right Way", Making Your Own DMT, Inhaling Pure Carbon Dioxide, Cold Showers, MDMA & Much More - The Keys to Human Resilience.

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How To Do Wim Hof Breathing "The Right Way", Making Your Own DMT, Inhaling Pure Carbon Dioxide, Cold Showers, MDMA & Much More - The Keys to Human Resilience.

"On this episode of the Ben Greenfield fitness podcast, what literally happened for me as I envisioned a wedge lashing that space between the stimulus of the ice water, and that the reaction that my body had. It's scary when two guys face off against each other. This is usually not about cooperation in love or anything, right? This is about I'm gonNA murder. This weapon in my hand and all of a sudden. This confrontational sort of dangerous exercise turns from danger to dancing. Help. Performance nutrition longevity. Ancestral living biohacking. And much more. My name is Ben Greenfield welcome to the show. Welcome to the show I've been getting crazy. People on the show and today's journalists is no exception to that rule is named Scott Carney he just wrote a really really great book been reading. A lot of good books lately may have heard my podcast last week with. James Nest Dora on his new book. Breathe and this book. 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Your special quote over there is Ben. Twenty. Ben Two zero. The twenty bucks off with the free beef and the Bacon enjoy. Let's go talk to Scott. Well as you guys know I, love to interview immersive journalists, you know sometimes I like to think of myself as a as a little bit of an immersive journalist, but I come nowhere near some of the folks who I've interviewed who have gone out and done crazy expeditions and adventures, comeback and written really thrilling an inspirational titles based on what they learned one of my favorite guys. Who does this? His name Scott Carney and Scott was on my podcast episode. Episode a couple of years ago. He wrote a book called. What doesn't kill us? Your body needs freezing water extreme to toot and environmental conditioning, and we jammed on a lot of stuff about like getting. You know what high poxy and getting way high up in the mountains does for you. It's super cold. Conditions Do for you, and essentially as the book implies what doesn't kill you makes you stronger and we just really really geeked out on hormesis and so. if you didn't get a chance to listen to that episode, I do highly recommend it and I will link to that previous episode I did with Scott. To Ben Greenfield, fitness dot, com slash the wedge. That's been Greeks finished dot com slash the Wedge W. E.. D., G. E.. The wedge because Scott just came out with a new book that I think was just as good as what doesn't kill us. In the name of that book is called the Wedge. You'RE GONNA. Find what the wedges during this show. But essentially it's a book chock full of what Scott Calls the keys to human resilience and I'm all about making yourself harder to kill not for your own ego, but so that you can better equip yourself to make as big. An impact on this planet is you can during the time that you're walking the face of this earth and I I think that that being resilient and hard to kill whatever that means for you is a good skill to. To have so Scott wrote this book and I was able to get my hands on it. I read it I had a lot of pages folded over so I I wanted to get into everything. He talks about from the subtle language of how your body responds to your environment to stuff that that he did this cutting edge neuroscience laboratory at Stanford to to Kettle Bell, tossing to some updates on Wim Hof, breathing to plant medicine co two elation. A lot of stuff in there so Scott Welcome back, man, Hey, man! This is so fun to be back here. And what a great intro, and it's like awesome to have somebody who's actually read my book interviewing me which is. You know it's an honour well. You know when I get books sent to me by publishers. they inevitably come with the eight and a half eleven piece of paper that says here's what this book's about here's all the questions asked the author, and that thing it's crumpled up and thrown in the trash. Right away. I don't even want in front of me because I don't I. Don't want my thought. Pattern interrupted by the questions that you would expect me to ask I. Instead like to come up with my own questions based on shocker. Having actually read the book. That's great. It's GonNa have fun conversation. Yeah, and my my rule. Rule is always if I get through the first two chapters, or it's a kindle, if I get to the preview and there's there's nothing compelling to me and I. Don't fold over a single page or I! Don't chuckle or I. Don't highlight then I don't continue, and maybe I miss the meat of a lot of good books with that rule, but I've I find that that tends to be pretty good rule like if it's not turning your head within the first couple of chapters. It's a toss her so your book though your book got. Pulled over right off the bat so. And really. One of the first things that I came across, was this term I wasn't really familiar with called the wedge the Wedge, which is of course, the title the book as well. So can you get into what the wedge is? Yeah, so it I you know this isn't a way a continuation of my book. What doesn't kill us? Because in that book I was hanging out with Wim. For in Poland I was actually the first two journalists who had a really ever written about him in a serious way, and for those of you don't know the training on them. We're not really GONNA go into it too much here, but it's essentially hyperventilating exhaling and holding your breath until you can hold your breath for really long periods of time for me, it's. It's like three minutes on a stretch on an ex. Hail or on in Hill on an exile on an inhaler can hold a little longer, and then the other part of the Wim Hof method is jumping into ice water and sitting there, and then controlling your response to that freezing, clenching stimulus, and then over time you do these two things you get pretty resilient. You. Find that, not only. Are you really good at handling ice water and holding your breath? Who Cares? You, you find that you have a lot less anxiety. Autoimmune changes and you know that book is really great. What doesn't kill US dive in? If I could interrupt you, I want I want to throw in two quick things regarding Wim, Hof and I think we'll talk more about breath work. She has some new some really cool new shit on breath work in this book, but a you mentioned getting into the ice and I should clarify because a lot of people get confused. Confused about this, you don't get into the ice bath while you're holding your breath. Usually you use the US. The breath holds as a breathe up to prepare your body with that kind of inner fire type of breathing to get into the watterson anybody listening in. Don't get into water with your breath, bad idea, and then the other thing that that is kind of cool. Just relevant to this discussion is I just finished during quarantine I figured what the Heck I might. Might as well equipped, might children's immune system with something other than than vitamin C, and Vitamin D and zinc, and so we. We did four weeks of daily. Wim Hof breath work and I and ice baths, I have this thing called Morocco Ford right outside. My office got a really like plunged through the ice. Get in and My my little boys just went through four weeks. We did almost like a gong. You know like like It was about forty eight consecutive. Consecutive days of ice baths and Wim off, so it's fresh on my mind right now because there's no, I was going to make my kids. do it without doing it myself so so yes. I've been ninety deeply immersed in that practice of late. That's great and yeah. The forge actually really cool thing because it keeps the the water cold all the time, and if you have some trouble having access to cold water, that's a good solution. Although a little pricey, I will say. But anyway, so the question was what is the wedge right? Imagine you're jumping into that ice water right and your body's natural response is to clench up right. It's too like. Oh, no, I'm fighting this. You're releasing Adrenalin. Cortisol all those great stress hormones that let you sort of fight through that situation. What you do in the Wim Hof method. Though is you relax? You're trying to will yourself into a different state? And when I I did this with him, this was in twenty eleven. In Poland I'm in some sort of icy lake with him, and he looks at me and says you must relax and the, and what realistically happened for me like I saw this vision in my head of or envisioned like a wedge, this thing pushing that space between the stimulus of the ice water, and that was the reaction that my body had, and I was just pushing that space, and by that I was I created time before my body naturally did that, and then I gained control over that bodily response, so what the Wedge is the? Way To think about it is separating stimulus from response and. I know there's other techniques out there. That also have the same definition. Mindfulness. has this in there as well, but we're really trying to dig deep into the body. Put ourselves in stressful situations, and then change the way that we respond to react, and that creates biological response in our body. Let's do all sorts of things that we didn't expect at the end of what doesn't kill US climbing Mount Kilimanjaro. It's negative thirty degrees outside. They're really fast in my underwear on the mountain, which I mean. was very cold, but I managed to do this, and it was because I'm playing with the sensations that I feel in order to modulate my body. I know that, ben you are a huge per phone and really really smart about all the the world of supplements about the world sort of like getting into the individual you know a structures of biology, but for me the object that I work on his sensation because I know that sensation. Is that key between you just sort of experience in biology? I'm really looking and trying to modulate. Modulate a reactions to sensation to get physical outputs that are maybe different than what we would expect was possible. Okay, so if I understand this correctly, and by the way the the extent to which the suffering occurs when you're climbing, a mountain in your underwear depends on your definition of underwear, because see some pretty bad ass long wooly underwear that that one could climb a mountain quite easily so. So like a bathing suit right little tiny like modern bathing suit like a not like an a nineteen twenties full body one. If I ever do it, I'm going with the man Kini route. anyways, though so so the wedge, basically what you're describing is that the the stimulus that arise from let's say a stressful signal to the body that travels to the brain, and then elicits physiological response such as a rise in blood, pressure, or an increase in heart, rate or an increase in breath rate. What you're doing is essentially hacking that response via specific mechanisms that you've learned to instead of of engaging in a stressful. Stressful physiological response with something like Wim Hof breath work and cold, being perfect example, instead almost like a relax Tori response, or at least an inhibition of the stress response. Well, you can go either way. You can also activate your stress response if you want because the stimulus could also be a very relaxing stimulus that you want to find a different way to modulate, but in general. Yeah, that's exactly right. Is that what? When our body senses anything like if you think about the brain sitting in a tank in your skull, right the only way it knows what's going on in the world through your sensory channels right through your your e, the signals coming from your eyes, your ears, your nose, your skin, and that gets translate to chemical and electrical signals that sort of have to enter up through your spine. Get to your brain, and then your brain has reactions which are automatic, and it has responses which are like sort of things you choose and What I'm doing is making things more response. A Tori I made that word up to you. Can you have it, too? But you make these things responses instead of reactions, and you said you get into the ice water, and then your blood pressure changes well. Yeah, it can, but you could also sort of intervene in the sensation of the ice water so that when it comes up. There doesn't trigger panic, and that's by literally focusing on. What is the sensation of Ice Water? Do I think of it as a threat when it comes in because it's just a signal, electrical and chemical signals. Or Do I. Think about that as something that I can welcome into my body and allowed to be there, and and that's the magic right. It's the magic of trying to to re re identify signals so that your your body responds in different ways and yeah, admittedly, in some cases, this can be dangerous like you don't WanNa like. Realign Fire WanNA. Put your hand in firing back. No, no, that fires just totally fine. I can deal with this then you're damaging your body unless you ought to. Tony Robbins Conference. Actually the Tony Robbins thing is really quite interesting, so so those of you who don't know. Tony Robbins is his big self help guru. Lot of people love him. One of the things he does is has crowds of people. Walk over hot coals right so they're. They're literally walking over, and you feel a great sense of accomplishment you do it. Occasionally people get burned while doing that, but most people don't, but you know the people who get burned. You know who they are. They're the people who are the most confident that they're going to be okay in getting across because the people who admittedly when you're looking at fire and your like your butts, puckering and you're like Oh my God fires going to burn me. You actually release just a little bit of perspiration on the bottom. Bottom of your feet not very much, but just a little so that when you go across, and it only takes a second to US whole that provides enough thermodynamic insulation that allows you to survive, but the person who super competent and it's like. Yeah, man. I got this I know. I am the best. I am not even giving any rise with their actually using the wedge to do that, but they're using it in the wrong way. Because, when they step on that coal the he transference instantaneous, all burned so good foot sweater would do well at Tony. Robbins Conference. All you need to do is train your feet to perforate now. Before I actually ask you about a really interesting example of the wedge that you presents early in the book you know, and how it relates to this idea of creating neural symbolic, which was kind of a new concept that had come across probably one of the simplest examples you gave him. The book was public speaking. which is something people are afraid of you know that that in death which is why that old joke goes you wouldn't. You wouldn't want to give your own eulogy. At what is it giving the eulogy at your? Own Funeral is probably the the biggest fear anyone might have, but what you talk about is if you have an aversion public speaking, and you focus on the nervousness as the speaking draws. Draws near. You're more likely GONNA panic. When you get up there to give the talk, but if you focus on some fun or rewarding aspect of the experience, then you attach a totally different emotional value to its you created like a different What you call a neural symbol for public speaking, but you you, of course as part of this book did not necessarily engage in in public speaking course. However one of the things you did. Regarding neural symbolically was a rather novel use of Kettlebells, and I'm curious to hear about about how you did that. And how that kind of helps to explain the connection between physiology and sensation well, let me actually dig down on neural symbols, because it's a little bit of a complex concept, but it is super important to how we experience the world, so here's what it is like a rent. Get. Your brain is floating around in. In a flow tank inside your skull. How does it get information about the world and this is a thing. This goes right back to birth like you're born, you're you're plopped out into the world, and you have no experience of anything right and every time you feel something right? This is going to create an archive of information that that in your body learns about the world, and the the fundamental processes what I'm calling yet neural symbols, and so let's look at. Let's take the example of jumping into ice water. Even if you don't do ice water, you can imagine what that feels like you to think about yourself. Ice On your body and you're gonNA like WanNa clench a little bit. That's. Now. Let's put our hero into that ice plunge, and this is the first time they've ever. Ever ever experienced ice in their life. Let's put him at the very beginning of their ice plunged life. They fall into the into the ice and then their skin. All of those neurons go crap, and they send this signal at goes through that the peripheral nerves it goes into their central channel in the in the spinal column, and it is basically chemicals electricity, and there's a volume to it, but there's no character right. It doesn't mean anything it. Rockets into the brain. The lowest air is a brain stem. Which is the LIMBIC system? And for this example I like to think of the limbic system as something like a library, and there's a librarian in this library. And she gets this signal, and it comes into Whoa. This is really loud, but I have no idea what it means because she's looked at all of the books in our library. Just not no ice bath there. So what she does is she kicks over to the Paralympic system, which is like a centimeter away, maybe even less than a centimeter it kicks over there, and the the the Paralympic system is something like a book binder and he gets this message from the library and says Hey, I! Don't know what this means. Can you identify it for me? ME, and he says shirt he takes the signal of the ice water looks at it and says This is the current emotional state that I'm feeling right now. That's what ice water means and an ice water, because there are actually some innate responses to cold that actually even before of this the experience of ice water is unmitigated terror and horror. Right that you're there, so he's like okay. Ice Water, unmitigated terron horror binds those two things together kicks it down to the Librarian. Choose like cool. I know what to do with ice water now. It's unmitigated Har- tear. She Files Inter Library and you go on having the experience of ice water. However, that precedes for you now. And this is the most important thing here. Is that the next time you experience you? Jump into that ice bath. That signal rockets, three peripheral nerves, just signal at comes up your central channel as just signal, it gets to the Olympic Librarian and she's like cool. I felt this before. It's unmitigated horror and terror because I have the book on the shelf, and she goes off, and she never sends it back to the LIMBIC Librarian, which means that no matter what you're experiencing in life, you're living in your emotional, passed and neural symbols. Or like you know if you think the body is like a computer, right? These are like the bits, and the bites the ones and Zeros that make up. Because, it's not just ice water that gets filed like this. It's every single experience you have. Since birth has to come in through those channels gets filed in these in these libraries, and that's how you experienced the world, so what we're doing in the wedge oftentimes is trying to fill up that library to have more and more neural symbols there so that you don't just live in your emotional pass. Because the the thing that you can do is, you can actually hack the way. Way You experience something because that you know because you're actually it's not just a one time thing or you just get one symbol rice water. It's every time it comes in you. Do have another opportunity to create a new symbol, and if you're having an entirely different emotional bent when that comes in, you have the chance for the the that that bookbinder to create a new emotional attachment to that signal, and then you got a larger library of books, so that's like that. By the way, this is exactly what actually a fellow who you spent some time with in researching this book and I think he listens to this podcast. Say hello to him Andrew Guberman. Down at Stanford he he does a ton of neuroscience research. We we. We had a chance to punish a bunch of meat that a Bell Campo in l. a. a few months ago and Andrew. A great guy I randomly ran into him swinging kettlebells actually. At Gold's gym the next morning, and he's also beast of a man so wonderful research, very smart guy off to have him on the podcast at some point, but if anybody wants to check out Andrew Research lab at Stanford, he's doing a lot of things in this respect regarding neural symbolic kind of reprogramming the brain with with stress, you know you doing things like you know a virtual deep dives with a great white sharks, and all sorts of crazy stuff but but how does this relate to this idea of neural symbolic? Too? Something interesting that that you got into in writing this book, this idea of a throwing kettlebells at one another. So Yeah I was at Andrews Lab Right Andrew who means lab, and he was like making me swim virtual sharks, and the idea was to get into a place, which is really scary and then control your responses to that scary stimulus, and that was like sort of one basic concept of how the wedge techniques can operate. The problem was is swimming with virtual sharks is just not scary unless you're scared of sharks, which I happen to not be, so it was like this is sort of lame, even though he's. He's got great explanations for how we wire our brains together. It wasn't actually that useful. And I was looking for a technique that I could use so I was leaving Hoberman. Slab and I get a message from a friend of Mine Tony Floreal and he says. Scott you got to go meet my friend Michael Castrogiovanni because he'll throw kettlebells at you. Put you into an instantaneous flow state and I got this message and I was like that's possibly Dushi. EST text message I've ever gotten in my whole life. What does it mean and and you know? My Association with Kettlebells at that point was basically overly large Russian dudes. Swinging. Sure, why now I know they're more interesting than that now. But this is my association, but I was like I got some time. Why don't I go swing by and see what this Michael Dudes all about? So we meet in San, Francisco and Michael is a guerilla like think about a gorilla, and that is Michael he is. He is large. His bisects are as big as my thighs. He's sort of hunched over a picture of him in the book with a kettlebells flying through the air like six feet above. Above it looks like about maybe like a two seventy pet kettlebells literally way up above his head, the big bearded man standing in a field. Yeah, and like it legitimately dangerous guy looking guy he's not. He's really nice, but looks dangerous, and so so we're standing across from each other, and I'm looking at him and he's holding this kettle bell. I know he's going to throw it at me and I'm you know a little bit freaked out because? It's scary when two guys face off against each other. This is usually not about cooperation. In love or anything, right, this is I'm gonNA murder you with this weapon in my hand so I'm looking at him and there's ritual to kettlebells throwing and everyone is thinking wait. He throws kettlebells. Probably at some point in your mind already you've thought to yourself. Oh, he's GonNa. Break his foot. That came into your mind. He's GonNa. He's fucking break. And at this point I was thinking. A break my foot. It's going to happen and and swings it, and this is the ritual like you I. You looking is right, and then he does one swing. And and then another swing, so you've been looking at is in the second swing. You're supposed to switch your attention from each other's is getting connected to each other to the threat that's going to definitely land on my foot, the kettle bell, and so we switch switch are as the third swing. He lets it go, and it flips through the air and my but puckers. Tight enough. Crunch a diamond probably, and and yet it lands in my hand, because I am a laser like focused on this thing that's about to kill me. I grab it. It goes between my legs and I just fling it back and all of a sudden this potentially confrontational sort of dangerous exercise turns from danger to dancing I am literally dancing with gorilla. And and the exercise is not really about getting fit over. You certainly can get fit doing this. It's about connection. It's about empathy. It's about the fact that I don't want to hurt him and he doesn't want to hurt me and we find that we have this whole language now. That is created by the situation we made because the danger of the kettle bell is always real, and it demands your attention, and because we're both focused on it on that danger, our movements coordinate automatically. This is a flow state. This is this is two people communicating and operating sort of like one mind when we're doing it, and this was like a magical eye-opening experience for me, you know. I I should throw in by the way that the idea of kettlebells and. Tossing Kelvin throwing body awareness in the presence of fear and relaxation, the presence of the fear of something like a kettle bell landing on your foot is not something. I think you necessarily need to go to a kettle bell tossing course to experience because I just got done with. My Russian kettlebells hurt a few weeks ago. Now I'm training for Russian kettlebells to and many of the poses. Do involve the necessity to relax to. To do deep nasal breathing, and to with a with a relatively large unwieldy object, often locked over your head, engage in movement patterns that you are learning I. I am truly convinced I actually use kettlebells a lot with the with the clients I train to I'm convinced that kettlebells are one of the best ways to train, not just cardiovascular function and overall strength, but also relaxation when a metabolic demanding situation totally and they're so. So simple right? It's just a weight with a handle on it, and and yet you can get involved in so many different types sex. I feel really fit with Kettlebells, which is awesome like that, but for me. That's like weirdly the side effect because it's that relaxation, you're talking about under stress, which is what is revolutionary for me and I love seeing two people do it together, although I also will juggle kettlebells like A. A not juggling sounds like you've got three or four I'm really just talking about one I'm sort of throwing it up and catching and and that sort of thing, but here's the really cool thing. It's like you're training empathy your you go from fear to trust and one of the most amazing to get into kettle bell, throwing us to do with a partner like your partner like your wife or your your spouse or whatever because? What usually happens. Is that I kettlebells? Throwing is really difficult for couples like they throw terribly at first because every relationship has these little islands that we don't want to go to right like the island of. I don't want to talk about your mother. She makes me angry and see. Don't really go to that island very often, and it's OK that these islands don't exist that exists. You can still have a fine relationship, but you start seeing those trust. Barriers show up in kettlebells partner passing because it's things that you don't talk about and then over time when you start doing it more and more often, you realize that you're both putting yourself in vulnerable positions, right? You're both of your foot smashed by that Kettle Bell, so you have to be very very careful, and presumably you love your partner right presumably, what actually ends up coming out or Or all the positive emotions, and so there's a way to do almost therapy with kettlebells in a way that that that you don't have to go through the actual talking, which can can, which can create its own barrier at times right right it well, you know you might contribute to some domestic violence reports from kettlebells, being smashed into partners heads with the with the release of this book and. I'm hoping people go about this the right way. I'll what I'll do is all also linked to Michael's website in the show notes at Ben Greenfield tennis dot com slash the wedge. If people WANNA look into kind of learning how to do kettlebells tossing my wife I think is probably not going to be on board although I haven't I haven't breach this topic with her yet. I think she's probably GONNA WANNA. 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Another thing that you get into quite a bit in the book and you know, forgive me because I know you talk about a lot more in the book than this, but I have of late for the for the reasons I dictated earlier found breath work to be just absolutely fascinating, and you talk about two things in the book that I'd like to spend a little time on if if you're game and that that's breath work and also plant medicine, because the those were two pretty interesting parts of this book and a big part. So the first is this idea of carbon dioxide often vilified as this acidic gas that you would not want an excess in your body yet a very helpful molecule. Now I've mentioned in the past. This of Co two retention, and in doing so cited the work of folks like Patrick Account. Who wrote the oxygen advantage? who gets into you know things like the the long livid potential of say like the naked mole rat or the bow, head whale, and how part of that is tied to their very high co, two tolerance They're they're. They're simultaneous maintenance of high levels of oxygen and carbon dioxide, and for for me as as a physiologist. The the idea of this Bora effect. Right the idea that when you have high levels of carbon dioxide, oxygen more readily dissociates into tissue it's. I've always found that to just really make sense. You wouldn't want to necessarily. blow off all your co two unless you were in fact trying to induce some type of sympathetic six like know something like Wim. Hof Breathing for example, which which could be used to to kind of get you into a very sympathetic state and part of that breath work practices. You're breathing off a lot of co two, but that doesn't mean co two is bad, and you took a deep dive into co two to tell me tell me about carbon dioxide, and how you played around with it and your experiences carbon dioxide. Well the first thing to know is that breath work is the ultimate wedge right breathing. At one moment you can just take over this process, right? You can breathe right now. Ticket as deep breath as you can, and you have total control and yet at the same time. If you stop paying attention, it is a completely automatic process. Right where just sorta Kerr's without you thinking about it at all, and and this is why going back to any esoteric. Tradition breath work really lies at the heart of everything. One of the first meditations, the Buddha ever taught was focus on your breathing, and he had a couple of different types. Yogis had prior Naima. which was which is various types of of breathing patterns to. Different states and two chapters on breath work in the in the book, one of them is like me messing around with with breath work in order to induce sort of a psychedelic state, and in this I am hang out with a with a Wim Hof method, instructor, Inas River Large Group setting and just given a lecture, and I was like I'm GonNa. Stay for the breath work and end the breathing you, you start breathing really rapidly in the long sessions where you're doing like an hour or even two hours breathing your breath holds get really really long and I. Can I in that sort of setting, I can hold my breath for five seven minutes. At, because you really start getting deep into your sensations on the sorry to clarify again on the inhale or on the sale on the breath out exhale. Okay, so that's that's pretty impressive. Yeah! I mean it's crazy and I can't just do it right now. You can't say Scott hold your breath or seven minutes. No I have to be like doing it for a while to get to that moment. There's this trick and I'm not gonNA detail how to do it on your podcast because I think it can be dangerous for people. But. It's like ten percent different than a normal hof session like there's just a little thing you do, which is just slightly different that can that that that that alters the experience because normally when I'm doing the breathing, have like these visions in my mind and. You can say that this is chemical neurons firing. You could say it's talking to God. You can say whatever the hell you want only knows I. See patterns and faces in things when I'm doing this well, my subconscious, look man you you. You might not want to describe it, but but I can. Because this is also something that I wove in with the course that I brought through my boys and or Or with my boys, and it's essentially very similar to win off breath work, but with an extremely intense long full breath in with a with squeezing every single muscle from your toe, all the way to the top of your head as hard as you can, especially your pelvic muscles, and basically holding that push all the way up shooting light out the top of your head, and often doing that for multiple rounds. Rounds, and and essentially what you're doing is just hyper charging your pineal gland to produce GMT like my my twelve year old boys have literally been steeped and emt like at least two or three times a week with this protocol, and of course we're very careful in the first few times it lying down and then because I think you're chock aligned better when you're in a cross legged position we we've been. been shifting to do it in a cross legged position but that's that's essentially what it is putting. One's driving now. Please pullover. If you're to try this, but but I mean look. I'm looking at it right now. I. Have An and I'm not a huge fan of of this I think it can actually kind of kind of up your ego, and some of your some of your neural patterning. The smoking of the chemical GMT but I I actually have A. I Have A. Pen and very seldomly I've hit it because I actually don't really enjoy it. I don't enjoy the intensity of it. What I enjoy is the initiation of DMC via my own breath appeals far more natural and far less potentially damaging to brain chemistry when when I. I'm achieving via breath work, but you know that that push that whole that scope we's which is also a tactic often used in Kunda leany. It is very intense and you know one other. Other one other anecdote I don't know if you experienced this, but I have found that might orgasms during sex have absolutely just just increased by leaps and bounds in terms of their length, their intensity, and the overall experience of sex, after really really sticking with this M., T. style breath work multiple times per week. Do you do it during? Thanks to do you do it? Your. You keep that in your practice. No I'm just saying by doing this DM, t practice and we've been doing about three times a week usually before dinner in the Saana finishing up with an ice bath, but then an and my wife isn't even with us when we're doing this as me and my boys, but then later on that evening. If I have sex, it's it's just a complete next level you're in. My life sounds remarkably similar. I don't have kids by two cats, and they don't participate in any of the shows, but. Our live sound, actually remarkably similar and I would say that. Yes, this stuff goes deep. It rewires you. It clears things out and makes you a lot more aware of possibility in your body, and I have very similar results to what you're describing here as well. I to continue to the story I did this D. M. T. breathing in ilise class, and I basically turned purple. 'cause you're holding your breath when you're doing it and you're doing this at the end of a long breath, hold you. Your Auto Nommik breathing. Responses are off. They'll only regain until you consciously started up again. which is hard to do since you're lake blasting down his tunnel of light, or if you pass out, and then it will restart automatically there. See you have a fail-safe. But he leaves her like. Grabbing on the shoulders Scott Scott don't die in my fucking class. because. because. Honestly it looks really scary from the outside. This is this is really about an internal sensations. Good on TV will not look good on your youtube channel. It's a rip out really digging in deep, and and also it's important to point out that we do not know. What the medical benefits are of this or if it's dangerous, it's like this is something that we can do that. We can induce, and this is on the bleeding edge of any science that will ever get done on this because I, don't think anyone's GonNa Research for real. But I do find it really interesting I. Actually do when doing the breathing I will do short versions of this on the recovery breath between repetitions I'll do a minor a emt push and it does. Push my practice a lot further down when I do that. I always do this lying down. I don't recommend in general sitting because I've seen enough people pass out and hit their heads on the ground down while doing it sitting up. Yeah, the way the way that we do is we sit cross, legged with our backs against the wall of the Sauna, and we all have a folded up towel in front of us, and so we we can always kind of like. Go head down if we need to and interestingly something something you. You might find fascinating there is there is a plant extract called Blue Lotus and Blue Lotus is something that actually enhances any type of D. Experience, and while it can be, you can actually smoke Blue Lotus, or in some cases. Take it orally what we do is we just put a little bit on the upper lip I have this company called essential oil wizardry that we get the blue? Lotus from that amplifies the experience even more and then the other, the other interesting thing that I found when I was looking into GMT. is that calcification of the pineal gland actually really reduces the ability to be able to produce T., and in many people who may not have a good response. Sometimes, it's related to to kill our opinion Glenn. Calcification and two things I've come across. That can contribute to that are high amounts of fluoride consumption. Like drinking, fluoridated water, and then the other is very high exposure to lots of like emf Wi Fi, five G. Bluetooth signals, etc, so lack of lack of heavy amounts of emf, and then also attention paid to like your your personal care products to ensure you're not consuming a lot of floride or getting water filter without floride that seems to help, and the the other thing is there is this. There's this thing in the longevity. anti-aging sectors that comes out of Russian research got him Dr Kevin's and did a bunch of research on this. It's called a peptide and upon injection it has been shown to reduce all cause risk of mortality is it's one of the best telomere lengthening longevity compounds that exist, but a side effect of it is decalcification of the pineal gland that one's called EPA, Taillon and most books using it do about a ten to twenty day injection one time a year, and it's wonderful for the pineal gland, so there's all sorts of kind of cool ways you can. You can hack the experience. And also one interesting thing about the pineal gland right so in addition to Mt. it's the source of Melatonin your body right, and that's the sleep chemical, but what is so fascinating about the connection between breath work and deemed M.. T. is that M. T. is only one carbon dioxide molecule off of Melatonin, so that sort of shows you why there's this connection between those two things like emt and Melatonin you add the C O two Melatonin boom. You have the it needs to be done in various specific ways in certain organs and whatnot to make it work. This is why there's that connection with breath working Russia. Co Two I mean maybe in the squeeze and here I'm going way off book. Maybe the squeeze you're pushing co two into the glad I know interesting interesting thought. But you asked about the other thing that the other sort of breath work that I was doing, and you also know very presciently noted Patrick McEwen's book the Oxygen Advantage. Hof method, you're blowing off co two in general, and then at the end of the long breath hold. You've sort of supercharge your co two right because you blow off, you hyperventilate and then hold your breath for really long periods of time that means that your co two levels are now filling up your lungs through expiration. Not Isn't a respiration. I forgot the word for it, but because you're not breathing, your body's dumping co two and your lungs until you breathe out. Now with the Boutique Oh method, which is essentially trying to slow down your breathing, and there's various ways of doing nasal breathing just breathing slower. There's several ways to get into this. The that that is that what you do. Is You build up that tolerance to co? Two and most Americans are an actually most people in the Western world are chronic mouth breeders, right? We just have our mouths slack I. AM guilty of this to not the. I like mouth breathing I'd do it all the time. It's super easy. Air Moves out against it. But the problem with this is because the the movement of gas is so much so much less restricted through the mouth that we just end up breathing a lot faster, and if you look to indigenous groups and mckean mentions this, but by Brian Mackenzie who's actually the guy I I actually talked to specifically by about breathing in the book. He's been on the show before. Brian Fantastic love the guy. He says the indigenous groups around the world, and he's you know we. We look at some sort of old text together and the book. They were very serious about a breathing only through the nose like they would even like do the equivalent of taping their mouths shut even other than of tape. They other ways to do it. Keeping their mouths shut throughout the night, so they would learn to build up this effectively co two tolerance, even though I'm sure they didn't think of it that way and the reason why you'll do this is because if you're really tolerant to C, O two, and you're always breathing through restricted pathways when you switch over to the open mouth breathing. Breathing, you can actually get a lot more oxygen, so you've actually blow off the roof and have much more intense exertion because you're so used to see out c. o two in your body, so it's like restricted mouth, restricted breathing sort of builds up the floor of your tolerance and then letting it go doing the hyperventilation. Sir Blows off the roof. So you can sort of by manipulating those two methods, you can actually get a really cool events, but the other thing that's super interesting about co two is that a correlates with anxiety. And you know if you a an every creature on earth going at least to fruit flies, we know, is it? Get's anxious around co two so like a CO, two heavy room like a volcanic eruption fruit flies. We're going to run away from it. And everyone else evolved down that chain. It is also that because the body doesn't actually detect oxygen, we detect co two levels in your body, and that's just sort of a cork of evolution. But too much co two in the ambient environment could be deadly in the ancient history, and so that's why we're all wired likeness, and when you have too much to. If you look at somebody who does cognitive behavioral therapy, which is the you know, the gold standard therapy out there right now, and you can think of CBT as like exposure therapy, and if somebody has panic attacks. Attacks and the and the thought of panic attacks makes them more anxious. which often does what a CPT therapists will do is we'll put them in a very safe environment. You know their office on a couch, gentle sort of good vibes setting, and then give them a dose of a thirty two percent mixture of co two to induce a panic attack. It's just like every flex. Answering your body, you'll have a panic attack, but it'll be in a safe setting and the the the thought behind. This is that you'll realize that the pant panic attack is just this physiological response. It's not like the end of the world, so that's a CBT method right, and and in general. If you become more tolerant to C, O two, you're gonNA be a less anxious human in general, less emotionally reactive now at one point in this book. It's actually not in the reading chapter. It's in the floating chapter, but I'm with this. Researcher in Oklahoma who says Oh you've been doing a lot of breath work. I SORT OF DABBLE IN CO two studies on the side. Was that the Feinstein Guy? Just Feinstein. Yes, Justin Feinstein, okay Laureate Institute for Brain Research and what he said was, he'd been studying the effects of co two on people who have damaged MiG della now the. AMIGA is the fear center in the brain, and that's where you're starts in most of us, and he said these people are generally biologically immune to fear. It's just don't do it. It's like you know think about that. Guy. Free Soloing AL CAPP. He looks down. He just doesn't have the fear responses that you and I. I have because of the innate biology, and actually I don't know. Alex handle the guy who did L. actually does have this damage, but it's this idea. There's a center that's damage. He doses them with co two, and they will actually still have the panic attack, because it's even a much more primal kickstarter for anxiety and panic, so he said Scott, even doing Wim Hof, method for awhile me doc- you with co two and I and I was. was like yeah I'd love to you. Know I i. do stupid stuff, so that's what I did I. Sat down and he gives me this bag and I'm sitting down that mass gone, and he says here's how it works over the next thirty minutes. I want you to press that. The that releases the two mixture into your mask three times and I just WANNA. See how you respond. And you can rate your anxiety and there's like a way to rate it and so I'm sitting there and I'm like Oh man. I hear I am. This dude has been new breath work for a totally embarrassed myself. RIP This mask off in a run out of the room and I do not like what I gotten myself into, but pressed the button. And then I had this earth, the Acidic Co, two mouth, and tastes, a little like like like an orange in a way it goes into my body, and then instantaneously transported to the sensations that I have at the end of a Wim Hof breath, hold and I'm like. Wow, this is amazing. I'm charging that tunnel of light again. Wow, and and the dodgers looking at. What's happening and I'm like? No, this is great. I love it. This is joy. This is fun and over the next thirty minutes actually. He cuts tests off early because over the next like fifteen minutes I pressed that button like eleven times because I'm so interested in the sensations that I'm getting with co two and he's like. Wow, I need to study you more because you have obviously changed the way that your body responds to c o two and the way I look at. It is I have created neural symbols. To the CO two to the stress of Co two that has identified at family in my brain, matter somehow, and he says this is via radically. This could be a great way just to alter anxiety responses in all humans. I? Wonder if if this is something that is just as easily achievable via like some of these co two. You are familiar with Co. two retention tables that like a free diver will use or spearfish portraying for breath. Co Two retention apnea tables, wondering how close you could get to that level of co two using something to retention table. Totally I think that I mean they're honestly. These are just two sides of the same thing you know. Wim Hof is breath off all your co two, but then you're holding your for a long time, so then you build up zero tolerance. Free diving tables. There's a great single apnea trainer. If you want to just do some techniques it's on your iphone or whatever. Yeah. That will also build up co two as just a different method to get to ultimately the same result although. And I'M GONNA. Point this out again because you did point this out earlier in the top of the episode, never never never mix Wim Hof breathing with diving because you will die. Nine people have died doing this. It doesn't work for diving, but it does for anxiety so yeah, but I mean like. For for for sitting or laying down like these co two tables I actually haven't in chapter three of my book. Boundless I've got. I've got an oxygen retention table in Co, two retention table on the. Table All you're doing is two minutes of breathing, and then a two minute breath hold than a minute and forty five s than a two minute breath hold on a minute thirty rest and a two minute breath holds your essentially just like decreasing your recovery times in between each breath hold. An oxygen table is just just kind of the opposite. If People WanNa link in the show notes to the free diving website The UK has a free diving website that the has these retention table. You can print so if anybody wants to mess around with this stuff. What I found most interesting, though is was the idea that you actually went to a laboratory and inhaled co two, and that a that's something that. That can be used to train yourself for Co, two tolerance, and be you experience something that shocked the researcher just based on the fact that you've already done this much breath. We're going in so obviously. You train your physiology without using some type of fancy laboratory, equipment and and so you know you, you show at least anecdotal standpoint that you're definitely increasing your co two tolerance in a in a pretty profound. Profound way with some of these breath work experiences again, and we should clarify because I know. This gets confusing for folks like the D. M.. T. Stuff we talked about the women stuff we talked about. That's all not carbon dioxide retention. You're blowing off carbon dioxide, respiratory L. Colossus, so blood carbon dioxide is decreasing, but then other forms of breath work such as know what Patrick Makau talks about or Anders Olson is. Is another guy who has a wonderful book called the power breath I think most of what they teaches co, two retention, and I'm a firm believer that training yourself how to how to do both forms one for more of like a sympathetic arousal, inner fire, type of approach, or or a d. m., t. release, and then the other for more relaxation and tolerance. The stress is kind of a good approach. Yeah, exactly. So. I WANNA. Get into just a couple of other things you had. An experience with what you call the truth, serum and I believe that you. That you experienced this with your wife and so Tell me tell me about what the truth serum is, and what your experiences with that or was with that sure so what we're doing in the wedges I'm trying to find different environments in which to inhabit that then I can control my stimulus in that and a lot of this external environments like a flotation tank or the fear of catching a kettle. These are all things coming in from the outside, but remember the way we experience. The world comes through. Through the synapses right comes through the parole nerves and gets into the brain. So there's another place you can put the wedge which is with pharmaceuticals with it with psychedelics, and what they call 'em, pathogens that literally alter the way you feel the world, and then you, you respond to that way, and so what I did is I got very interested in MD AMA which is essentially the street drug ecstasy, and maybe you've heard about the maps program or these psychedelic studies that are going on right now. To, look at the way, MD may be used in therapy so I was like cool. Let's jump in and see how I can. Use this and what I did is my wife. Who is actually the real hero of the book like you know you hear me talking, but my wife is like. A partner with me in almost all the crazy stuff that I did, and the miracle of the book is that our relationship survived as even stronger now because of it, but what we did is we found two therapists in? My local area, and who had never seen MDA US before, but they're couples therapists and we took 'em in their presence, and there's a whole protocol with how we did it. And how we found the drugs, it was sketchy and how we tested the drugs, it was less wreck sketchy, and then we're sitting there. And what MD made does in a therapeutic setting is makes you non-reactive? It makes everything that you hear or feel come in the most positive possible way. And it's just the way the chemical works. Now again results do vary. It's a chemical and people can have a variety of interactions, but in general. This is what happens on MDA. And what we were able to do is talk about very difficult things in our relationship, but no reactivity, and to give an example, and this is not something that we. necessarily. But was I could say to my my wife. I hate your mother and she would be like instead of usually. I hate your mother. Right and you get in a fight. She like. Oh, I understand. Tell me why you'd have a long discussion about that and the therapist who saw US doing? It takes about three hours to do this. They were like it was like watching like six or eight months of couples therapy. Take place in just three hours. Because you were you were. You were just hearing each other? You're really feeling each other. You're totally empathetic to each other, and then you're looking for solutions and those solutions then stuck afterwards. I think that MD therapy is going to be a revolution once we finally clear the FDA protocols, which honestly it looks like it's doing it right now. I mean a big thing we need is for for Ravers. You know who are largely using this as you know ecstasy, molly or Mandy to Kinda back off and and for people to begin to realize. Just like I mean honestly I feel the same about cannabis I WASPA-. M. Anything else the therapeutic use and potential of this and just to clarify like like I'm a born again. Christian right like I'm not the kind of guy. You would expect to to respect or to utilize these type of drugs, but I think everything was created for a noble purpose for good purpose, and that can be bastardized or using correctly I feel the same way about Ma and you know I've personally Had you know four separate times with my wife when we've used it or variants of it and had very similar experience to you? In terms of the trust, the connectedness and most importantly the sticking of the integration like the sticking of my wife and I call the magic. It's just like we don't fight anymore. We don't argue we have a very. Oh, you know a trusting relationship with each other in our house is just like steeped in love, and you know I'm not convinced that that a drug or a chemical is the only thing that can do that and I think that. that. Integration is important and I think that there's a lot of other deep spiritual work that needs to be done to really ensure relationship is as as rock-solid as possible, but yes, the this this so called truth serum. Has You refer to in your book? It is some pretty powerful shit when it comes to to enhancing the level of a relationship short. I find it very interesting that you say you're a born again Christian. I didn't know that. But what is very fascinating at the end of the book I do the Iowa. Right, but did you know that in in Brazil and Peru? Colombia a WASCO, is part of the Christian tradition there like it is, it is integrated into into the rituals and the ceremonies in not all the churches down there, but there's a whole revivalist movement around Iowa in South America right now. Yeah, there, there's a native American church up here. That utilizes I WASPA- I've visited them or taking part in any of their ceremonies, but apparently a part of the part of the Christian sector of the native American ceremonies up here around Washington state also incorporate some elements of I. Walk as well so you know I think some of these plants can indeed and I realize it's very controversial in the Christian. Christian sectors, but I think many of them when US responsibly can bring you closer to God or put you just like a deep state of meditation into a spiritual state where you really are conversing with God or speaking with God on a much deeper level I do not think that you need drugs to go to church, and you drugs to pray or new drugs to get more out of the Bible, but but they can certainly in a very intriguing way enhance your spirituality when used properly and also when when not dependent on as a crutch you know, it's not like you know every time you go to church. You gotTA take shrooms. But it, but it is. It is really really interesting, and I wasn't aware of that with with South American, Christianity, and South America. But, but it's it's quite fascinating. It's interesting Terence McKenna. Who is that sort of the? I founded the idea of a called psycho like these people who use. A different psychedelic chemicals to have a transcendent experiences. He has a very interesting theory. Which I find personally very compelling. Is that the roots of religion? Probably come from psychedelic experiences with our Paleolithic ancestors, right is because we know that that in the climates where humans Zimmer first emerged. We were hanging around environments where we're mushrooms, which is grow out of a from ruminant poop, because that's where suicide and mushrooms grow, they grow up in cow and horse poop. And and and he says it is inevitable that humans would have walked around and seeing these mushrooms and likely that some of them eight them, and if the ate them since we know they had the same biology that we do, they would have had similar experiences as we do, and since most people experience. Some. Very powerful hallucinations right that are obviously are interestingly similar between people of God of death of coming to terms with psychological things. He believes that this is actually the founding of religion. This is the founding of how we started really thinking about things greater than us, and maybe connected to those things, and you take or leave his theory as you like but I find it very interesting very compelling. The only problem with it is that has the worst name in the entire world of of anthropological theories, which is called the stoned ape theory, which is I, think white went nowhere right. Yeah, yeah, it's. It's it's a horrible horrible semantics, but it does it does make sense and again. That's a super duper controversial topic amongst Christians. Because there is, there's some thought that like when Adam and Eve were in the garden of Eden, initially an eight of this tree of the fruit of good and evil that perhaps that was a mushroom, right or suicide, even or something something that opened up their senses so deeply that they had this deep knowledge of good and evil, and that's that's why God didn't want them to consume that and I I I personally. Don't think ghost case, I, think whatever. Whatever they they ate was something that kind of humankind got banned from for the rest of all time and we, we get into the weeds on that, but ultimately I think that the takeaway message here is when used responsibly a lot of these compounds, weather, synthetic or natural have some some pretty impressive effects especially on something like relationship so. I I just found that that part of your book, absolutely fascinating You. First of all you intrigue me because every time you put out a book, it just seems to to be these new dives in a really cool areas and I'm I'm curious if you could perhaps open the Komo for folks and. Let. Let people know if there are certain other things you looking into now or a little biohacking begun to implement or or things keeping your eye on for a future title or What's next for you so that the thing about the wedge is that is that this book is not the ten techniques to make you super awesome. This is not a cookbook to say if you just throw chemicals and take some some drugs and do some breath work. You're going to be super awesome. These are all things that have worked for me. I have enjoyed that. I've gotten something out of and I think that people can try them, but what I'm trying to do is put people make them aware that when they do any practice because the wedges everywhere rights in the DMV when you're driving a car, it's when you're doing when you're a soldier in combat like. You're always pushing yourself against stress. I'm trying to get people tools in which they can then generalize this this this journey and make it their own Because you know you don't want to just follow me around like no one does one wants to be me. You can find that in your own life. You can use them anywhere so it you know. I got ten things I do in this book, but where I will go next I. Mean I think that there'd be really something cool to do a sound because I didn't cover sound in the book and I think that. That that sound can. Totally, it's the stimulus that has primal. It can make you connect to people it can. It can modulate your heartbeat. It can go so deep and I just didn't do that in the book. Maybe that's GONNA. Be a one off that I do next. Just a second. Hear my voice. Get Faint. Walk a bookshelf. Tell you book. I just read a sound medicine by coal reet, Chowdhari md how to use the ancient science of sound, heal the body and the mind, have you? Have you seen that one never seen about Chowdhry? Great Guy? Yeah, it's it's It's more didactic like like I. would love to see title like this written from a more immersive journalist standpoint because you know he his is more written as a physician would write a book about sound medicine, but. Somebody like you getting out there and just experiencing this stuff yourself, you know as as the type of writer that you are I, think would be fascinating I'd I'd love to see you. Do something on medicine. In the lineup. Right so sound I'm interested in inch in. There's something called shaking medicine, which is interesting. You know when you're nervous. System Shakes, and you're you're you? You SORTA, go back and forth to end the edge of a shiver, but with anxiety on there's something called shaking medicine in the native Americans. Tradition also called I think it's also called T., r., e., something, something release. and I think there's something there. I don't know what but I will. Will look into this I'm also interested in sleep like like. What can we do in dream states to to to maybe the way our habits work, and so these are the three that I'm playing with I. Don't know if these books will ever get written Certainly, the guide posts are all the things that I'm doing this book. It's creating sensation screening stimulus, and then trying to chart the course against or with though stimulus to do things you know. You know I talked about the wedges creating space between stimulus and response of and that's really easy to visualize. With Wim Hof Right. You're you're you're you're suppressing your shiver? But the other way the wedge can work actually removing that wedge, and so there is no thought it just happens, and that's a flow state. That's what we do doing with kettlebells where we remove the wedge entirely and then you're just acting automatically and I think there's just a lot of places that we can insert these wedges to make our lives better and more interesting, and I'm I'm heavily on this road, so we'll see where. where it all goes, I love it i. have to last thoughts about what you just said before we part ways, the first is for the shaking piece I think all you need to do is just get a mini trampoline and and that's that's that's about it. That's that's a fast track to the shaking, and and you know what I, just in part, but I actually jumping on mini trampoline almost every morning now and feel amazing and so I think there's something to. Taichi! Shaking in the lymph fluid from the rebounding, but but I am familiar with this idea of traumatic release through shaking, and it's something that I discussed with the previous podcast guest of mine who does this and who also related the second thing you brought up has cracked the code on some really intense lucid dreaming principles, and is able to control his dreams in a pretty profound way, and who has even appeared in my dreams when I call them up the next day. He knows he's been there a his name. His name. Is Drew Ali? And I've I've interviewed him and I'll I'll I'll put a link to interview with him. In the show notes. If you. If you look at my interview with them, we we don't get deep into the lucid dreaming and the shaking, but he would probably be a guy. You'd WANNA go hang out with for a day or two. If you write this book, he's in A. He's in San Diego so great. Yeah, awesome! Yeah so. Well okay everybody. First of all. We discuss a lot of stuff. We discussed all these other books. Scott's book. My previous podcast with Him Co. two retention tables EPA Kahlon Blue Lotus oil I've just been taking noces whole time so anything you guys want to deep dive in to go to Ben Greenfield finished dot com slash the wedge that's been Greenfield tennis dot com slash, though wedge and I will put all their, and then also you can leave your questions or comments and feedback over there I. Love to hear what you guys think about discussions with fascinating people like Scott and Scott thank you for writing this book, and for giving your time and coming back on the show man. Great Yeah, thank you so much I really appreciate it and also. I've got a website Scott Carney dot com among all of the other places. I'm sure you're going to have links in your show notes to all of those spots, so yes, yeah and I really hope that people dig deep right. You know we. We've got one life to live. Let's go feel things deeply and see what happens. 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Wim Hof: AKA The Iceman and The Creator of The Wim Hof Method | #ThePlaybook 222

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Wim Hof: AKA The Iceman and The Creator of The Wim Hof Method | #ThePlaybook 222

"It's getting a bit chilly in here. On this episode of the playbook I have incredible Wim Hof creator of the Wim Hof method. He is known as the ice man for a reason because he can ignite your immune system. Good Meditation Cold and commitment. We have an unbelievable conversation. How the man has injected lethal viruses in him and beat them scientifically. He is a specimen in studying him about how to live a fulfilled strong and healthy and happy life. Join me for one of my heroes. Wim Hof here on the playbook. This is entrepreneurs the playbook each week I bring you some of the tweets athletes celebrities and entrepreneurs to talk about their personal and professional playbook to success in. What made them champions on the field and in the boardroom. I'm your host and CEO of Sports. Marketing David Meltzer amid meditating data. Meditation for years. I really think that you can help people especially here. In America that have not been exposure aware of eastern types of healing To allow them to not only have a sense of peace but moreover understand different methodologies that they can use to strengthen their immune system and have the right mindset through this interference and corrosion inbetween us in this unbelievable source of energy light. Love that we're always connected. You and I know there are great words. I'd say great entrance and as he talk about data healer. You don't Gama Essay Delta days all to be within our control in. I'm showing this in brain. Scans that we are able to do that. And with that we are able to regulate our immune system and the way nature meant to be I mean in Nature Abe. You have a bacteria go all virus then you are not able to function that that that is their re down that that's the reality. So nature built in mechanisms that enables the virus and bacteria to be extradited from the from the from the Buddy. Ed like directly that is specific immune system so because we live in this hectic society comfort zone behavior known stimulator lifestyles not going into the depths and think that we can regulate everything in the world and as you see right now it is absolutely not the case. We ARE BEING TACKLED. Our economies our minds and our bodies to a on. The bill entity called a virus and we can really do something and then. I say we can do a lot. We can do so much. More influence only resort to our natural abilities and go through. Meditation does go through grieving at specific a breeding techniques though which allows us to go into the depths of our own body and brain there. I am that's awesome. We Heal I. I look at all of your stuff in it really Leads us to health happiness. And I've been telling everybody here. Happiness is a virus. It's virus that one can be read by just witnessing and it also strengthens our immune system. When you look at the Beth apology that you created with meditation breathing commitment and cold. It's actually counterintuitive to think that through allowing to happen through meditation and breathing especially cold that we can strengthen our immune system that you know I believe in smiling through struggle and you are the epitome of smiling through struggle. I tell a story about a butterfly and I you know my own fear of my own children was I would always say you're like a butterfly can't cut the cocoon open because you'll die. You need a break through yourself. You need to strengthen nice and I think that's you know the methodology that you created through not only Experience in developing the skills but also acquiring the knowledge. You've been studying since a young age and certain circumstances circumstances have off. They've actually injected viruses into you and they've had no effect exactly not only in me. I WANNA I want to show absolute resistance. That works is coerced by a Everett's all bacteria which is inflammation and because we lost depiction with the immune system into depth. We are not able to battle that inflammation and not go specifically judy specific immune system which tackles the invaders at the beginning. It doesn't Latin. Come in and do its influence inflammation work and then dean of being uncontrolled sugary vomiting nausea muscle pains and headaches and all that is not necessary if we ignite the immune system at will at will. That is a when you feel. Something is wrong with you. You at will should be able to regulate whatever is feeling wrong at that moment that could be caused by bacteria stress by diarrhea stress by virus stress by emotion stress by mental pressure stress by day life a precious oxidative stress in many ways leach up to sell biological stress and that sal biological stress we are able to regulate because we saw the show. I of our own car. We drive and when something is wrong we stopped to CAA. We look what a pretty rum and we are able to reregulate to a to do the repair. We lost this and now I come in through. These studies not took out of the books through Nature Natural Challenges Challenging. May there is more than meets they. I what is it? That's the way I had that I began to jealous myself in nature. Ask and with the. The world is mostly righteous. If piano how to resist the stress of the called net means you got control within to be able to resist that stress and would that I used a cold as a way to learn to handle stress. This is what I teach people all over the world now and it's very very effective and one thing you can learn to deal with to go into halt at gradually and do is. I'm delaying distress through inflammation which is in the end caused by viruses and bacteria. So there we are. This is what we need now and that we talk and you've created some great solutions for people. There's a couple of things that I see I. I believe in the enjoyment of the consistent every day persistent without quick pursuit of your potential in this smiling. Struggle is consistent every day being able to know where your center is and not be able to deviate from that center crate. Resistance in your life of you've created of more today quarantine challenge That is yes people. Tell me what what is in there. And why there are in the thirty day quarantine challenge. There are a challenge. How to improve and optimize your vascular system through cold showery cold shower wearing beginning with thirty seconds. Go Up to two minutes at makes optimized issue vascular system you cardiovascular system and with that you're learn to lead the heart rate with twenty to thirty beats a minute twenty four hours a day that is learning how to take stress away why because the vascular system through straining into the old Takes Care of the stimulation of millions of little primitive muscles individualist system and they done are stimulated and helping the blood flow a flowing to desist and reaching out to cells with nutrients and oxygen and vitamins and minerals. Whatever it needs. The lifeforce itself goes through the blood flow and that Through the cult showering and triggering these millions of little muscles at makes the heart rate go dow that beat stresses go out of the body that has one and then the second news at through the cold showering a gradual cold exposure. We call it from thirty seconds to forty five to one minute one minute. Fc Tra ta truck to do minutes about the optimize the vascular system than it reaches out oil. What you need to the South L. La Better? That means you get a lot more energy energy you need to regulate your body if this ill you need energy at is disability and if you needed into brain than it's cold nor blessed they said but for that you need extra energy a girl child a day I always say keeps the doctor away at means that your energy knows exactly what to go but it needs to be there not only for the maintenance of the body but extra. Frodo repair and data is dealing with negative consequences of stress and could be biological viral bacteria. Mental emotional doesn't matter in a stress and in the end it is cell biological stress for about two extra energy for that you traded vascular system all those millions of little muscles and BANDAID. Make the blood flow the lifeforce go through and yet results and benefiting all the trail liens of sales and they produce more energy and then you have more energy than you need then it will be used for repair that is that is not Balat number two is debris leading. The breathing is changing by chemistry. And the buddy for the electricity as you said in the beginning delight the Electricity of the nervous system we are able. And which showed this evidence based in university to be able to control it into the autonomic nervous system into the tournament nervous system was only possible maybe by Yogis after twenty years of training I can make somebody go into their tall on the mkx nervous system within a half hour if they only follow these specific breathing techniques Rabat. They get a absolute at will control. You buy influence into the autonomic nervous system into the light into the Douglas's cleanse it by changing the biochemistry from Acidic to alkaline and you can do it. In twenty minutes and suddenly the natural connection between the mental real antibody is a reestablished because if it is alkaline `electricity normal activity much better than your body becomes much more in your control. And you've seen it you feel a different being inside. That's the breathing exercises and debt. We have shown People in the hospital being able to be injected with a bacteria doing breathing exercises and resist the bacteria's influence or the immune system no fever no addicts know uncontrolled shivering or whatsoever because they were in control to to breathing techniques disconnection between the will and the body is much better a you are able to resist a inflammation to a much higher degree. This is what the world needs right now for that I go into Buckeye as an I use you at your window. You'll get used me. We help humanity. We bring light. That's what we do and then you have the mind and the mind is the mind setting. It's the belief. Where do you invest in into thinking that you are not able to do something or that? You are able to do something. That is a big difference. Because if you prep the body. Judy's a cold shower breweries plus the breathing techniques. You change the biochemistry of your body. I always say you become the Alchemist U. R. D. Alchemist you Batta. Become the alchemist and turn anything into go. What is gold? Electricity being lied. Not Happy Being Light. No dark feel great about live. That is the alchemist and there is happiness. There is the strength and there is the health and showing a university brain-scans suddenly a person is able just by using the powder of cult intention to make a stress stress at which I showed him brain. Scans just by power world like cold water under skin? Skin temperature melt going down because I was thinking. So that is our power of our minds so we should think about what we do with the power of our own throat. Do you invest in. I can do it I gotta do it. I can do it or I can't do it again. Do it again do it? With the RIOT BREATHING TECHNIQUES. Yuba tab the alchemist. And that's the connection. Everybody should be able to exercise. That is the thing we missed out on. In our primary schools we have to learn in primary school to teach happiness stronger. It's yours yeah and I you know it's funny. We both have a lot of children and I Am I home? Created an environment that we're in the middle of a miracle by in so that they believe as an optimist. We're in the middle of a miracle on here. We have a great opportunity to expand and grow and accelerate past our of our perception. Now one of the biggest things I always have taught a thirty day. Gratitude challenge say the easiest way to change your life. Is You know just the starts as bank you before you go to bed and thank you when you wake up your life will change. It's the the real school of alchemists right just to stay thank you the biggest challenge that people will have to get started to stick to it no matter how much proved to them. That your forty days quarantine or you've discounted all of your courses and this what better time than when you're Corentin with your family in your homes to take the time to set forth the rest of your life. You'll never forget the opportunity that we've been given to learn from you in this method that can change not just today but our futures and yet is much as people will believe it as much as the listen and they'll keep watching you and I they won't get started or they won't stick to it. The Eagle keeps down amount. No why why do that when we have easy things to do right what we can see exactly all day. Why do this these guys they they can do? What can we save these people that number one get them started and to get them to stick to this first of all? It is evidence based there is no speculation routed. This is not just a philosophy. This is a this is not science. This is a knowledge. And as it's what the world actually looks for advocates based non sparkly non-speculative. Proof that we are able to regulate what is out of regulation what is out of balance. What is a mental disorder and a physical disorder? Can we regulated at is all evidence base but we are not evangelists per se. We are saying. Hey we got. We found something we want to share. This there is no dogma. This is not a religion this delighted itself. This is live itself. It's strength. You want it here. It is we. We aren't the keep you got to open up. The temple within yourself is beautiful. Take a look and then the last as a feeling is understanding. Just dry it out warrants. If you think after that. It's a lot of crap that I say. Thank you for trying out but if you feel great man just keep on doing it. 'cause the end we are the. Dads mothers of our new generations. What I won't guarantee to. Our new generation says happiness strength and health guaranteed and that then you see that transcends cultural background trump science languages countries that mother and back that wants to same as the mother in New York. They won't just prosperity. Love consisted buy happiness strengthen. I'll guarantee eight or their children. Then peace will come and war is over an abundance raw. There's enough of everything for everyone and you have about pushed potential to limits that have set world records that have done things that other people would think were literally humanly impossible even more than the four minute mile when we broke through the mindset that the human body couldn't run a mile in four minutes. The things that you've been able to do in cold and heat are unbelievable. What do you think the potential of the human embodiment is what what is the potential and have you reached it or does it far exceed what we're even seeing today Yes What what I think about the potential right now. It is necessary to to beat Corona virus to beat war to bring peace to bring out to bring happiness. That's what that adults are my goals. My Goals Ring Agnes strengthen out. That is a mega task. It's a huge at. That is much more than any record added or lease crazy. Challenges is going out of the comfort out of the conditioning. Our Golf out into where people say. It is impossible. Unbelievable you gotta be a full fare anxiety to do this. Nope through confidence. Because I want to see what is out there that is able to bring peace absolute peace happiness strength and that is my task and Adair. There I will be able to do this and bring say soul back to everybody's non-dogmatic Joyce to be lived because it is the source of our happiness strengthen l. and the way we are sodomizing the planet exploiting the planet at de not at all the beach fires in Australia's billion adults dot ru just going with the prospect in the C- ric. It's our house. It's our home and we own it as people united as one on this planet and that is a task will accomplish that help you because absolutely that is the vision and empowerment of my mission in life is doing power others empower others to simply be happy healthy now. I'm going to add strength. I've been talking about smiling through struggle. you know. This is the key that we can enjoy the the pursuit we can enjoy these things. Although it seems or you can perceive it to be paying off. I always say that pain is only telling us that we haven't learned the lesson yet. Emotional physical spiritual no mental pain of your pain all it is. It's a request for more information. You haven't learned the lesson others. There's people who have answers there's people like Wim. Hof who are giving you an answer and you have the time to experience it. I loved it back. People ask me. I trace calligraphy for KARMIC downloads. As you know I meditate. I wear silly bracelets and people ask me. Why do you do that? I'll say two reasons and it's the same two reasons that you should take on this forty day challenge or go ahead and sign up for some courses from Wynhoff number one. Is there any risk of doing it? Is there any risk trying? I will tell you that. There's zero risk zero rest and to does it work for you right. Those are things that I want people to know. Go ahead try it out. There's no risk involved and if it works for you. Keep doing it that what I'm doing that's why you know I am a do not of what I'm learning here. I do have one more question. Haven't addressed this a lot and I'm a big student of sleep And a lot of times through the breathing. Meditation the strength. The mindfulness we lose track conscious conscious state of regeneration. And I believe it's a clearing. It's a release that occurs when we sleep. Can you share your perspective asleep? Obviously the things that you teach affect the way that we sleep with. Let's talk about what the importance of sleep is in what that does for us. Sleep is re generation is powder sympathetic nervous system activity and it is where two D. M. T. In our EM sleep. That's the deepest out of the sleep is able to work out. What has not been worked out in our conscious pursuit during the day. And an at the buddy is able to do repair rehabilitation. And you'll feel like a million bucks or a trillion bucks or you just happy your field strong in the morning when you feel that then you had a great sleep now. How'd you do? That is through at duties breeding techniques as a nerd. How to handle you hormonal system to a hormonal system to take out cortisol out of the buddy which is being done through their coach hours cortisol is madness with Melatonin and a when it is constantly dead. Because we have to do this this this this and this and this then the motor keeps going at. It doesn't know how this court is don and in the meanwhile you try it but you are not able to shut it down to do if you doing. Cold showers takes down the cortisol. And then the natural state of ours which is Melatonin Serotonin to come up when we need to go to slip day they naturally but now dr is no interference and then Melatonin will come and like the Sandman and will go sleep at your does I. You Go and do God's bill or the lights at work during denied and had great dreams and see it all at two lives running back and one outside of that and both are not to that. They have great coach hours. Close OUR STAKE. Weighty interference at that. What bakes us not able to shut down the machinery and then. Melatonin is able to shoot in Dubai. It's beautiful work like baby and I know people watching this. I'm going to say. Oh you know my kids are too young or I'm too old. That any effect at all. Does your age of any effect getting started today. Oh Yeah No. My oldest participants began to do this method when she us at nine hundred ninety seven years old as he loves it she only loves it. She told her sister who is ninety five as well. People are over eighty years. Lots of them and they are doing it and they loving it they. They see that they can hold up longer than one day. Her yarn. It's amazing you know. Principal at principal. I always say the principle of the rabbit the rabbit one day before dice is still able to flee to try and to find one day before a dies it's still able to do all and then a dozes off we As long as we are alive we should be vital. Renewed be in life not off debt not declining and all this bird I don't know how old is Aldo Leopold sitting in front of a television ad back and doing nothing on your ball. That's not live live is when you are Katie. You're bone the mount because you and your spirit and your mind are so good all that you're able to do that. And we're DOTS hjorth exploited all their neurology and the natural ways of how to evolve to to live becoming better and better and better and better and now talking about. I guess after mentioned this oldest a person with whom in record time I climbed A key to my daughter in thirty hours. In thirty hours essentials inches was seventy six years old and he was. He was separated. Drumline disease and He never had a client any amount of before. That is the power of your mind if you you can say well. I do at Kennedy or you can say I can do it. I want it I go right now and and it happens her along to meditate learn to have it sank down that you are able to do so much more and for God's sake and literally forgot stay. We have to show this to our children to add a generation that truly is a is a into lawrence usually to live wholeheartedly without fear and showing up to Butte. This soul is light is love vary very powerful. It's dare and very gentle and sensitive in everybody and if we showed out to little children and a little children are like little zebras. Very good examples. If you as a parent are doing something wholeheartedly. They MIMIC DABHOL to learn. They know what they almost forget about their jackets and then outside because they want to go outside a play and what we say is always. You got to be sick and a now. It's going to be take your jacket off. Otherwise you'd gum leak and then you'll get sick. So we'll have to teach their children natural raising air and there is love sensitivity health and strength all present with the letter reactivity and that is the lessons for everyone. I am so blessed to have you on here to share these lessons of life love happiness straight and most importantly health because if we're not healthy none of the rest will follow especially for our children in the world is evolving. It is becoming a better place and we have the right tools. We've acquired this extraordinary knowledge in order to actually what you're teaching so encourage everyone to at least try the forty day challenged quarantine challenge with. Wim Hof go to his website. Check out all the other great courses make it a family event have the parents. The grandparents and the children altogether experience really easy. Inexpensive things like coal like breathing and a great mindset. We're all living in the middle of a miracle. Things are only getting better. We have to believe it and we will see it and you are an incredible human being. I am one of your Missionaries of Strength Health and happiness. In anything I can do to push out your information and to help others. I will do so. Thank you for allowing time any last words or advice as you depart my friend man. We all look at family now. Because I take care of you you take care of me. We take care of people and care is what we have in our flags and that love is strong and that love is full of understanding. That love makes sense. That is the future and we are the future. Thank you thank you for your great work and Russia family versa. Back to your family. Wim Hof the epitome of happiness spread the virus of happiness. We will be strong healthy and happy together. Thank you for your time love. What a Man. Thank you thank you. Thank you by hope. You enjoyed this week's episode of the playbook as much as me on a personal note. 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Richie Bostock

The Emma Guns Show

1:14:55 hr | 2 months ago

Richie Bostock

"Ever thought about what it would be like to complete an ultra marathon. That's precisely what she runs. Ultras is all about. Oh hey. I'm meghan by the way and this show documents my journey to one hundred miles in under twenty four hours. You can find it on apple podcasts. Or spotify hello. Hi unwelcome i am your host emigrant award ner and in my nearly twenty year career as a beauty and health writer. I have a lot of people. Supermodels entrepreneurs authors celebrities and doctors and many of these conversations had a real impact on me. And i'd come away feeling inspired excited informed and really empowered and at the back of my mind. I always think i wish i could just published the tape. So people could really feel that conversation. While on this cost you get to feel the conversation. I talked with experts guests. And a few friends who i hope will inspire inform and empower you and maybe also challenging whether you're looking self help self improvement beauty advice. Health insights business know how what just good old-fashioned life advice in a bit of a laugh. It's all. hey welcome to the show. My guest on this episode of the podcast is cheap bostock. He is better known. Perhaps as the breath guy and he is a leading figure in breath work. He is breath. What coach author speaker and having reaped the benefits breath work in his own. Life is on a mission to share the life changing benefits of breath work to as many people as possible. Now las jail. I recorded a podcast. James nestor the journalist and researcher whose book breath the new science of a lost art. His findings had a profound effect on me. Personally i challenge you to read or listen to that book and not fundamentally become aware of and change your breathing based on his findings but it was an episode that i know also had a massive impact on many of you my most listeners. Because a lot of you got in touch about it and said how the exercises and how understanding of breathing had made a real impact on your own health. And here's the thing. I always thought that the evolution meant that every slight adaptation every change every modification was for the benefit or improvement of the species. James's findings proof that actually are spiritually system and specifically the structural nasal cavity sinuses teeth and mouth have made our breathing less effective at supporting optimal health. And this is what richie discovered. First hand on his journey to discover and practice breath work. He had about the iceman himself. And the applications of the wim hof method on tweeting autoimmune disease which is something affecting which his father on his pursuit help his dad. He realized he also found the secret to helping himself. Ricci has spent years travelling across multiple continents learning for many masters breath work from different cultures unto seen firsthand the transformative effects it can have on physical mental and emotional health and i was so keen to speak to which because after that conversation with james nesta that i resonated with a lot of you i wanted to bring another perspective on the breath to the conversation which is tens of thousands of people across the world and workshops retreats and online events and i was really keen to unpick his technique and find out a little bit more about what it is that he does but as hair which is own story is fascinating how he moved from corporate management digital entrepreneurship to devoting his life to sharing what he learned on that journey of discovery to help his dad. There are a few things that we'd be state of me off this conversation which is very wide ranging with richie. When he said the way that you all may not necessarily be who you are and how dramatic the changes were told himself. Forget who you think you all so yes. We talk a lot about breath in the benefits of breath work but we also discuss how through his breath work. Richie and many of his clients have been able to achieve a much stronger sense of self and their own intuition which has led to a happier healthier life since this recording i party one of riches free breath work sessions on his instagram and it was a really powerful experience toured. I expected breath session to be like not at all and of course links which is instagram will be in the show notes as will link to book is up everything we talk about in the po- cost but for now. Please do join me in welcoming ritchie. Who was so generous. And just so thoughtful. I really appreciated his insights. He is the breath guy. And i enjoyed very much having him on the show. And you welcome him to onto the gun. Show ritzy bostock the breath guy. Welcome to the gun show. Thank you so much. Emma always a pleasure to see you and to be here. I'm really delighted to speak to you for many reasons. But i feel as though this is extremely timely you are breath guy on known for three incredible breath work doing coaching with breath work. I'm reading with a view to helping people find a place of calm. Find a place of clarity. And also i think find a sense of themselves beautiful. I really appreciate that. You added that lost in there because at the end of the day. Whatever kind of therapy healing work that you that you go down. I think that's that's what it comes. Down to. at the end of the day is really coming. Back into alignment with who you are and getting a better sense of of your virtues. What what is what is the essential year and so much of the time we get distracted with busy lives or pandemics and all that kind of good stuff and you know it sends out nervous system into haywire and it can be quite hard to come back to Come back to a place of replacement center and that's really where the breath can play such a huge role Which is why i think like. You said it's quite a relevant conversation to be having right now. Because i think we don't often realize the cumulative buildup of just life and the impact it has on minds on our bodies and spirit and i'm to be years ago doing a yoga class and the teacher talking about yoga breathing. And what you baby breathe. It's their stomach. That moves not the chest and how at some point. I guess when we absorb stress out breath goes from our stomachs to our chest becomes more shallow which actually serves to encourage more stress. Yes absolutely you know we. We have these secondary breathing muscles up in out Upper chest neck and shoulders and Up a back and these muscles are designed to kick in when we are in that stress response when we are experiencing that fight or flight mechanism in our buddy so when we go into stress these kick in order to help us to breathe foster because biology really hasn't changed that much since we will cavemen in cave women so back then we were stressed. Because we're about to fight something bear or tiger or something. We had to run away so it was all about mobilizing ourselves for action so we needed to breathe foster bringing more oxygen offload more carbon dioxide and is this mechanism that caused us to breathe hummel higher up in the chest because these secondary breathing muscles turn on and help us to breathe a little bit foster Which is a fantastic mechanism. Actually it's it's probably why we're still alive today. But when we live in a world where these stresses that caused us to go into this fight or flight response during necessarily disappear because it becomes things like your job. Your social life Again things that are happening in the world in things that don't necessarily go away within a couple of minutes. It's they're always there so people start to learn how to breathe in a way. That is stressful. That also like you say causes more stress in the body because the way that we breathe not only as a reflection of how we feel. But how if we start to change our breathing whether it's consciously or unconsciously it's going to further affect what's happening inside of us so it's kind of like a two way street in sometimes can be vicious cycle may get caught in these loops of stress. Anxiety panic worry these kinds of things. So even just becoming aware of that and breaking that cycle Can changing for some people. And i think that's the thing that i have really come to find valuable when i've read about breath weltman. I've spoken to people about the power. Breathing is festival if you use it to your benefit benefits can be huge but second of all. It's probably the thing that we hear about the least when it comes to soothing ourselves calming down. I've just had a press release this morning. About how in lockdown the amount of Prescriptions for antidepressants for example and anti anxiety. Medication have gone through the roof. And yet obviously there are some cases with absolutely essential but breathing can have a really powerful powerful impact on that and it's free exactly until they start taxing air. It's free And i think of course like you say. Sometimes it's it's nice to us to have Western medicine and these These options available to us particularly as a crutch. If we're really really down in the dumps and it might just help to give us a leg up in order to be able to work ourselves to move us forward in our development but this something really empowering about knowing that just by breathing in certain ways that you can have such a lodge effect on your physiology. That's what's happening inside of your body and also how you think and how you feel It's a free medicine right and if only we all knew how to use it something that probably should be taught in schools. I think So that you know all everybody has access to this. It's even. When i was reading the book i was thinking. You'll book exhale which i will Oversea linked to in the show notes. I was thinking of kids who get put on the northeast at all. get a time out the messaging. That's not added to any of those things is essentially what you want the child to do if the cia child. She's being naughty or causing a stir. You want them to come down a notch or two and the only way. They're going to do that when they take that. Time out is rather than sitting there. Stewing and boundary is to brees. Yeah absolutely rather than you know. Punishing somebody for their feelings. How about we give them the tools to be able to have more controllable power how they feel so they can manage themselves manage their nervous systems. manage their hormones. All these things that affect our day to day experienced can be affected by the breath. So i completely agree with you there. I listen as regulars will know that. I am not a big fan of punky twinkie twinkie. Nonsense meaning i don't like do things. I don't particularly believe in lunar cycles or crystals or any of those things but when it comes to partly because it's intangible it's very difficult to show me cynical paper that shows me any scientific evidence and because breath free because you can't see it you could sort of apply similar logic saying oh yes. Sure i slow down my breathing and i'm going to suit up my home earns emma but actually the one thing we do have with breezing that we don't have with other say invisible. Ofri things is the scientific data the bucks. All of this up yeah. Absolutely i mean there are countless studies now on all sorts of different types of breathing because real remember there's no one type of breath work or breathing there's also it's but You know clinical trials case studies so many different things have been done around. How can people use the breadth all sorts of different reasons and still lots mortar greenery. Don't get me wrong. And in fact one of the most exciting frontiers of breath work. I believe anyway is something called. Integrative breath which is incredible style foot working with Trauma particularly so. It's really really therapeutic. Style breath and that isn't fully scientifically understood yet however for me in terms of how can have impact on people's lives. It is by far the most impactful and can really transform someone within an hour. So you know the getting people into fm our eyes and doing brain scans while doing these techniques still a dirt think is often yet. I haven't seen anybody do it yet. But hopefully soon but when it comes to things like understanding how your breath affects your nervous system particularly Activating para sympathetic response. The rest and digest response is so well documented now and understood and i think it's still just the beginning because you're so right you know. Science is the language of our time. Isn't it once we understand things. Science than a lotta of people can go. You know what. I get it now. This may i can. I can believe this. I can allow this to be true for me And so yeah. I think it's really exciting more and more that we can study. I think the more more that people will Start to pay attention to this. Little thing called breathing. I love what you said about science language of all time. Because you're completely right in one of the things that you've reference in. The book is basically like the ancient studies. This has been done for many many centuries and it was proven anecdotally. And what's been so wonderful. Is that all of those. Different cultures have used breathing. Have since been able to scientifically support. All of those claims that before were just cited by a very wise person within that community. You kind of believe them but now you can really it up. Exactly you know it makes. I was thinking about this. The other day How serb both take some of the the sake breathing for example as an and the ancient styles of breath a come from traditions such as yoga. So yoga. The yoga style breath rex. Go on a Things that the chinese medical styles of breathing that come from she gung that now have had some scientific rigor applied to it these techniques and these methods they will true even before science validated that they were true but now vaccines has validated. That they are true so it does make me wonder. I wonder what else is true that we just haven't given the green tick of approval yet and for me. That's exciting. you know. I've always kind of had this real excitement about the potential of things where things can go always looking forward. And so i think i always wonder and like to try things out almost almost like to window shop lots of different whether it's techniques or methods or experiences just different things to that maybe off a little bit fringe and a little bit. We were just go. I wonder if there's something here that maybe one day science is gonna come along and say actually they were right Or they were wrong. Who knows but Yeah i completely agree. I imagine if. I have to make a form an apology to the crystal healing community. You know what. I always say. I always say i hold all perspectives and all views lightly in front of you not necessarily saying this is wrong because science doesn't prove it you can just look at it and say okay. Well that exists in some people like that and that's interesting not really for me right now but with one day signs comes round. Improves at fantastic. I'm the i'll give it a you know it's it's hold holding all of us lightly in front of you. I like that now You have your own journey in terms of how you came to be the breath guy and i would really love to hear it if that's okay because it does feel like you're not just going to be on your way to walk. I know we talked about commuting at a time when carting lockdown and suddenly think oh i should really think about my breathing mole. It's everyone continue. Who has the come a row. champion for. Breathing has had a particular event happened his set them on the journey. And i'm thinking about previous guess. James nesta and i'm also thinking about someone he's exercises. I do frequently wim hof. I know that you also have been You've done the whim of methods. Which very jealous about so. I just wondered if you wouldn't mind explaining your path. The discovery really understanding the value and benefit of breath work breathing. Yeah you so right. You know people don't come out of high school thinking. I'm going to go to university and teach people how to breathe I might by professional career actually started in management consulting So i worked in one of those big consulting firms for about six years or so Eventually decided that wasn't for me and left that and went into the world of digital entrepreneurship. Let how to curtain was building apps encountered into the tech startup world but it was roundabout that transition that my family got some pretty bad news that my dad was diagnosed with ms multiple sclerosis which is an autoimmune disease at all. Autoimmune diseases your magic pill that you can take and it just disappears quite often. Something that people deal with for a lifetime and Slowly progresses more and more and more and degrades the nervous system and therefore the body and so. I was always looking for ways to be able to help dan. Whether it's through tentative treatments or therapies changes in lifestyle changes in diet. Just keeping an open mind and open. I for what might or other things might be available and it was through my research and i came across mr wim. Hof the iceman himself. Anyone who hasn't doesn't know about him he's cold the ice man and he's famous because he holds twenty plus world records related to cold exposure. Certain things like swimming under ice for the longest distance he neely summited everest just wearing shorts and hiking boots and nothing else know sitting in an icebox ridiculously long time. All these crazy kind of feats and stunts in the colt but it was experience through his training for these stunts that he came across what he calls the wim. Hof method developed. What's called the wim. Hof method now And he saad training it to other people and through this training they started to experience a relief in various symptoms. Very whether it's physically Feeling a great quality of life whether and Just all sorts of different benefits so it eventually turned into. I guess you could say some sort of wellness technique that everyone can do every single day just as a way to be able to feel stronger be happier and more healthy and involves called. Exposure wouldn't be a technique by the iceman if there wasn't some form of cold exposure so it could be as simple as taking a cold shower Everyday but then also breathing techniques and So why this caught. My attention was a specific interview. He was saying how good it is for people who have order immune issues so when i maybe maybe there's something to this and i went to my dad and was like hey deb. So my dad. He's he's he's a old school brit right. You know so I went to him. And i was like hey mate. This dutch guy called the iceman says that if you do some breathing every morning and then take a cold shower. It's going to help your. Ms what do you think. And naturally he was like that. Sounds like the most youth thing i've ever heard. I'm just going to pretend that you didn't say anything. And just get on with my life plus but you know sometimes you have some intuition or a gut feeling that. There's something there so ended up traveling to poland To do a week long retreat in this tiny little village in the middle of winter where we would learn the wim hof method and then do all the crazy stuff that whim does the ice water hiking around in the sner barefoot in your shorts Classes mountains and all that crazy stuff. So i ended up going because i just wanted to investigate and see if there was something here for doubt and just ended up having the most life changing experience where it shot at every single belief. I had around. What's possible for human With all the cold exposure. Work that we're doing you know Hiking around in the scenario barefoot in shorts for hours on end minus three degrees outside climbing the tallest mountain in poland once again just in your shorts minus nineteen degrees. You know and there were twenty five of us in this retreat. Some old some young some fit some not fit men women everybody and no good as much as the stiffle the entire week so freely shifts in a massive way. What you think is possible in opens up to yourself to the idea that maybe we know what's possible for us yet but for me. Although the cold stuff sounds like the most amazing thing in the world what was most impactful for me. Was the breath work. So every morning we would go into the basement of this hotel and would be led through the sequence of different breathing techniques for thirty minutes forty minutes and just go into these incredible altered states of consciousness. You could say way you get to experience yourself so much more deeply. Whether that is a blissful experience whether it's a powerful feeling of i can do anything whether it's challenging feeling of feeling some sort of trauma that you've been holding in your body for baps years and really feeling that integrating it allowing that energy to shift Also it's a different things. Everyone had lots of different experiences throughout the week. But it really just hit me so hard how you can have such a powerful experience just by breathing for a little in a certain way for a little bit so to cut a long story. Short came back home and shed technique with dad phosphor years down the track to where we are now and he's he does his breathing. Every day takes his coach house every day. He changes diet as well. Which is very important for I believe for any other immune issue and the progression of his. Ms from that point completely stopped in its tracks so it's obviously hugely profound for our family But for me i was then i just decided you know what If breathing can do this and can annoying earn experiences. Because i was also going through my earn battles with with depression. Doubts and understanding. What is my purpose here in a lot of kind of as extending zayed kind of like a quarter life crisis and Which is a thing. Now i'm telling you everything's accelerated but yeah i. I ended up traveling around the world for the next three and a half years learning from also different people who are doing something interesting with breathing whether it was breath. Whack masters jurgis psychologists counselors university. Researchers doctors even athletic coaches and physiotherapists and Yeah just really wanted to understand from all the different lenses what the breath can do for us and now been a very fortunate position. Where it's it's what i teach in what i can do and to be able to share what i love and feel so passionate about is a real blessing so it sounds like you could probably Couscous life crisis. Notwithstanding you could probably compartmentalize your life into before breath work and the breath work absolutely With many mini stages in those as well but there definitely is a before and after It's quite funny. I mostly walk around the most comfortable clothing. Like lululemon and stuff like that these days of which i'm an ambassador in But back in the day. I was straight up certain i kinda fella and Working in a very fast paced job long hours and really felt like i needed to be in control of everything in my life really a bit cd. Sharon control and i can say breath for me was the biggest thing that shifted mom my whole mentality and my whole the perch in life to be able to i would say surrender into floor is the best way to trust that life has my back in that whatever is thrown into fern in front of me is exactly what i'm supposed to be experiencing whether it's planned to unplanned and in fact some of the greatest things that have happened in my life The things that have been implant so shifting from that. I need to know everything and have control of everything that happens to me. I experience in my life to the best things that happened to me. The things i don't have control over and i don't know coming is a pretty massive shift and i think one that could be useful for many people. Do you know what if just made me think about quote. Eyesore an instagram yesterday. So i've just gone to find it which is by john mcevoy. Who's been a guest on this podcast and it says staying positive does not mean things will turn out okay rather it is knowing that you will be okay. No matter how things turn out gorgeous. And i i totally get what you're saying. I was exactly the same. And when i read in your bio the been a cooper incorporate managements and digital entrepreneur. I meet even to seeing those words. Seeing those descriptions made me think of pressure of stress of an also in those roles generally in any job. Let's face it you. It's almost as if you have to present a stress because if you're not presenting a stressed than you might not be taking your job seriously. You is a bit cheeky to talk about it. I'll say in any way you know. When i used to work in wanting the firm my consulting to work at and one of the moved around in a few divisions but one of the divisions i was in early on they would present to the entire firm or to the entire division everybody's overtime hours and it became. It became a competition to see who could whack the hottest a at least work the longest anyway and it became a thing of. If you don't working overtime. I what are you doing. And sometimes you hear those stories particularly in some eastern asian cultures where the employees on allowed to leave until the boss leaves so even if you have absolutely nothing to do you should probably hold a stack of papers and do some laps around the office to look busy in so we do a think in many ways glorify business a little bit and and i think that's something that needs to change i one hundred percent agree with you. I think i look back on. Mike and i used to work for people. And i was always trying to present in a way that look how much i care and actually i have no control over how they perceive me. But what i was doing internally was just internally. I was stressed even if it was just to present a stressed that service kind of like a pointless manifestation of stress in my mind and body. Well if you practice something long enough than your body's going to get pretty doing it whether you want to or not regulated. No longtime listeners will know that that was how i how i was for a very long time and i guess it kind of when i look back now i think me developing depression anxiety and ultimately having a breakdown was inevitable given that constant stress i was putting my body career and the things that i learned if i if you gave me five seconds and right how did you. What are the that really worked. I would say slowing down. I'm breezing and then i would add cold onto that as well but we'll come back to that in a minute. So did you have in that job for you in a constant state of stress. And actually when you went on your journey as much as it was finding out things to your dad. Was there positive you did. You have a thing. I'm gonna pass the banner or i'm on a path to add another cataclysmic mental physical breakdown. I was i was Towards the back end of my career in that consulting firm slowly i would say over a period of maybe eighteen months to two years falling into that that that depression States where you know. Everyone experiences depression differently. But for me what became. Was this numbing out to everything in life whether or not highs nor lurs i just completely shut myself off from my feelings so much that everything was just this numbness and it got to a point where eventually i was like. I am kind of miserable all the time. This existing in this lower level misery. And what am i doing and of course when you are in it. It's so hard to see. isn't that like you just. You can't see the forest. The trees So you really need to create space. I believe in whenever. I kind of see people who are in that state or in a rut. I always ask. What is the quickest and easiest way to create some space in for me. It meant i need to take time off work. I need to get out of this country. I need to get out of the normal environment in the normal routine. That i'm in and just do something completely different for a little while. So i ended up taking three months off work and traveling to peru and just volunteering and orphanages in peru for three months and it sounds. You know inconspicuous but it was. I experienced said created the space to be able to see how i was. I was doing and get some clarity and insight as to why. I was feeling the way i was and it gave me the courage as well to come back and say you know what i'm going to make some changes and actually it was within about an listen two weeks. I think about eleven days of getting back that. I ended a long term relationship that i was in. That was not right for me. Quit my job sold everything. I earned except for backpack and a suitcase of clothes and moved out of australia and went to hong kong. So it was. I kind of took it as a ripping the band aid off. You know technique scenario. I just had to do it quickly and And yeah it was then around that time finally enough again at everything happens for a reason that i came across wim hof and started to look at breath work and what it could do and then have that experience in poland. It will happen quite quickly and set me often a journey but it was you know. Initially i at that time. And maybe that was part of what kind of spurred me on to gir- to poland is whoa was. I was searching for my purpose. I was searching for direction. An open myself up to a whole new life that i never known. I started working at The firm and at the tender age of nineteen that full-time sir. It was all i knew. Was this crazy hectic lifestyle So to go from that to just complete freedom and with no idea where. I'm going or clue what's going to happen but trusting that That me down the path to find breath work. Ultimately i would say you know although dad was the catalyst for me going probably the person who has benefited from it was me you know in terms of the kinds of revelations that i've had the releases of Trauma emotional tension. That's been built up in my system The understanding and integration of the various events and conditioning that. I've had throughout my life and and working out how that can become a resource for me going forward in. It really provided some clarity on who. I am what i'm supposed to be doing and you know at least for myself. I've always been one of these people who likes to think in big pictures from the youngest age. I was always wondering why am i here. What is what am i supposed to be doing. What is my role in this world and So when that builds up for long enough you kind of go little bit crazy when you can't find the answer but i think breath really helped me to find that answer. As soon as i decided you know what this is. What i'm going to share with the world it's on i would say instantly. There was just this collective sigh and everything became still and i still experience stillness. Every time i teach breath work then everything just kind of comes down a level. And so so yeah. It's it's certainly been a journey. There were so many ten polls now when we started it was like oh slowing down and breathing and now i've added cold still 'cause you're absolutely right and there are some other ones but i just want to quickly go back and just dig in something that you said about you. Rip the band aid off and you made a lot of changes in your life and that can sound absolutely terrifying particularly invokes giving a job because let's face it that's how we put reeves over our heads. That's how we keep ourselves feed ourselves so to reject or to walk away from money. Career can seem really daunting that a. I've done it too in my life a couple of times an i also look back and think had i not done that. I wouldn't be where i am now and i'm really happy that i've had the opportunities i've had since then but it was quite drastic. Do you often. If someone's listening to this. But i'm trying to get to someone's listening to this and they made me feel a bit stock and they're feeling better the devil. I know than taking a risk. I'm throwing my life up in the air. What would you say to somebody. Who's in that predicament. Web that trying to stay safe but there's a real yearning to want to see what was on the other side of a risk you know what would a brilliant question and i actually believe that so. Many people are in the situation right now There are so many ways. I feel to to go about something like this and everybody is different But i think it's important and what it actually what you just said as well around you know people feel like it's safer to be in on certain unhappiness rather than strive for unsought and happiness right and. i think. There's also a lot of societal pressure to be a certain way and that there's a certain path in life that everybody follows that guarantees what we might determine Define as a successful or happy life when really. that's outrageous. Everybody is different. Everyone has different passions different herbs. Different dreams So i would just say one if you can work out a way to create some space for yourself to come out of your normal environment To to remove yourself from the pressures of daily life from the people that are around you who expect you to act a certain way and therefore you feel like you need to be that way Particularly physical environment as well where you kind of have these behaviors and personalities and reflexes and reactions anchored to that area to some with completely new. And see if you can spend a little bit of time. They're doing something different surrounded by different people. And what i did is in. No ma'am not. Everyone can take three months. I appreciate that but anytime that she can but to also revisit the idea that the way that you are might not necessarily be who you are and that perhaps if you relax into the idea that somebody you might be somebody different Arpan up whole new Part of yourself. That has been neglected. And that's exactly what happened to me. When i was when the plane going to peru taking this three months off. I still have this. Dari i kept a travel dr the entire time when i wrote down Forget who you think you are because you're going to a brand new place where nobody knows who you are. So dern think about how you usually act or what you how. You would usually respond to things or how you behave. Just throw it away and become more spontaneous and just see what comes out so. Every morning i would wake up and say a little magic myself a few times in our forget who ua forget who you are let it go and within i would say about ten days in. I quite drastically different person and even things like the way. I laughed changed. Inner like it was very very fascinating and it. Was this gentle up into more to more parts of me that i think gave me the clarity to go. You know what. What i was experiencing was and living day to day with such a limited part of who i am and that there is so much more to me that holds felisa for me will hold so much more excitement and potential and even though i do not fully understand what that looks like yet. I'm going to go in that direction. Because there's something there sir. We become habituated as human beings. We're habit-forming machines. So can you start to understand that. Maybe a lot of high you act. Each day is just out of habit rather than out of authenticity. And what is there for you in that oath into city that you're yet to explore i've written down so many things that you've just said because they are wonderful but you know what really struck me about the forget he can keep all and that's something that you're telling yourself is thoughts. I think i can definitely think about how i have tried to change who i am based on what i think other people think like. I'm thinking about working environment. So what dynamic was that you know you put people in a big brother house. Someone's always going to be the alpha with all of that kind of structure. Where do i fit in and trying to tweak. My behavior to be perceived tweeted a different way when actually it is realized. It doesn't matter what other people's perception is have been thinking about how i thought myself and i love that idea forgetting who you think you all and think he what could you put it into words and did you. Could you put into words what you think. He became he ups well. I can definitely describe you know i. I was certainly modeling myself to my father in our. I wanted to step into his shoes. Because i loved him so much and i wanted to be just like him to this day. My dad's my. He's my hero and so i was wanting to be him and which actually meant you know. My dad worked management consulting as well. I was almost to the month. Was following the exact same career path that he was A lot of people constantly would say things growing up. All you remind me just like your your mom you just like. You're just like that. And i used to love that you know i. I really felt an wasn't until acting. Trying to be somebody else. Pulled me star far away from hawaii am that led to these feelings of disconnection this feeling of this this depressive Moment that i experienced but it very you know very much was that korea driven Kind of human being. That wanted to be in control and plan everything. And you know i i think from when i was seventeen years onwards had a ten year. Plan a rolling ten year plan and Near mocked down to the quarter of the things that i wanted to have done had to have achieved and these kinds of things places. I wanna live in the world. Those like i'm gonna meet somebody at this time. Mary them here that have children here and did a have the house by this time. Be a partner the firm by this time. You know just thinking that you could do that. And i think it's quite a contrast to where i am now where i barely know what i'm doing tomorrow but you know if i had to describe who i am now Gosh you know. I like to think of things like this. I tend not to define myself. By what i think of how i how i act or what i do for. People owned myself the results. I get i guess. In one way you look at it from a wack perspective. I just wanna be that shares up and does their best really And trusts and can love freely. Give and receive love I think there's a huge disconnect. Right now i mean really everywhere in many places in the world around. Why is it that we're actually here on this earth inhabiting earth and is society structured in such a way that supports that idea. You know if if if if it really if the point of being here on this earth is just to be able to freely express yourself feel unique talents in unique gifts and to be able to share and loving moments and give love and receive love and then also feel and and experience all the downs of life as well To feel all of it to pot of all of in this great tapestry of life then you know how how is society structured for that fails to be able to do that and if you look at it hot enough a lot of times you can see. It's not And i think that's why in an age of information where people are being exposed to more and more pas more and more outcomes more more possibilities Of what a life could look like you know. We look at social media. We see what everyone's at least perceived life's look like anyway and then people start going. Well what about me. What am i doing That's why i think i can. We joked about a quarter life crisis. But i i think that's probably one of the reasons why younger people are experiencing these breakdowns much earlier because back in the day before social media in the flow of information we really only had close contact with the group around us. and therefore what is -sarily exposed to all these different options and possibilities in being able to compare these kinds of things brasow now because you know how teenagers are experiencing and exposed to all sorts of lives possibilities information they constantly now thinking. Well what do i do. How do i fit in and start to create that kind of social anxiety so to speak so that was a short way to answer your question. No i enjoyed it very much. Thank you so. Let's talk about these trips. You discover you discover the power of breath work and you'll not going to go back to designing absolutely you do have an amazing up. You're not going to go back to doing that kind of job. This is going to be. You'll vacation how did you. How did you make that decision. And how if you've been in cool put management you probably understand profit and loss had to build a business owner those things. How do you how do you. How do you make your life but also make your living and was it just such a powerful and compelling drawer to do it that it was just. I'm not going to put together that structured plan. I'm just going to go for it. Because i know it's right. I still remember your the exact day that i decided that this is what was going to happen and i was in mexico lying in a hammock. Journaling away after so i. I lived in mexico for a month with one of my teachers. His name's dan brulee and we were doing a lot of breathing ourselves and breathing other people and it was one of these days in mexico that i'd just write down. This is what i'm going to do. This is it and we right like with with having a business background you start to wonder. Well how is going to work from a business perspective how can be profitable. How can i put food on the table. How can i afford to live in central london. Unite these kinds of things And i'm quite fortunate. I think that. When i moved to london things happen quite quickly in terms of finding clients finding opportunities that sort of thing and a lot of people have asked me so. How did that happen. What what what was your strategy to get out there in no and to make like you say your your your life you're living and I wish i could give a better answer of how it happened because really it just sort of happened but what i will say was. I made a conscious decision That really the only way that this was going to work is if i could breathe as many people as possible which meant just saying yes to basically everything even if it was free you just put the work out there that this is something that's available for everybody and let the work speak for itself. That's what i always believed So there was. I guess a lot of i guess you can use the term hustle right in the beginning. Where else is running over london. Just giving sessions giving sessions giving sessions constantly You know where there's a. There's a popular wellness festival in. London co balance festival. And i was where i was working there with one. Jim who had like a. They had a store for the full three days. And they'll giving losses so they wanted me to share breath work. And i said yes and they said how many do you wanna do and i said as many as possible which meant all the slots So i ended up teaching. I think it was twenty six classes in three days. You know so really just going. I just need to show up for people be the shed the work and let the results speak for themselves. And i think that's kind of how it happened in are not really with a whole lot of strategy around Even even the breath guy branding for example like the name itself came very organically just because in the very beginning. That's how people were introducing me to other people. I actually had a calm like a business name you know and and and people just kept saying. Hey you know introduced me to the friend. This is the breathing. Guile the breath guy that i was telling you about and just happened to over and over again. I thought i guess this is the thing. And then i was like i think i should roll this and it's worked out pretty well as purse but Yeah it was just a lot of trust in a lot of just showing up and doing my best. Use the phrase breath as many people as possible so in britain To breathe people. But i've not heard that phraseology before so that's how you refer to it. Yeah i don't think. I may have made it up or not but it's But yeah that's what. I say you've if i'm giving sessions to people with So using using breath work. Morality always sale own. Give you a brief or obe review. Oh i've just been breathed in for someone listening to this because obviously you do one to one sessions which will dig into now but you have as we mentioned you have an app so you can do guided breath session breathing sessions with you. You have the sunday service Your instagram is chock full of lots of different breathing techniques. It is not a case of you. Click on one of the squares. And right you're in some sort of big old session. You've even got one which is just about the power of the good guy. Yeah absolutely a mean. Sighing is one of our greatest breathing techniques that we do every day. Anyway we just knowing that we can use it on purposes very real physical mental and emotional reset but if we look at breath work as a spectrum of potential techniques and that kind of thing you know in its simplest form it is something like a sigh. It is something like just paying attention to your breathing. It could be learning how to use a certain technique for just a couple of minutes to create a change in your nervous system coming down if feel stressed or even creating energy. If you're feeling lethargic tired and then you can do More dedicated david breathing practices. Things like Priam qigong Wim hof method where you might be breathing in certain ways for ten fifteen twenty minutes thirty minutes and some more involved breath practice and then in its most exciting. I believe form. It's the therapeutic styles of breath like integrative breath work which usually goes a little something like lying down with a facilitator for an hour hour and a half and breathing in certain ways to create some drastic changes in how you perceive things and you know perhaps integrate some things that have happened to you in the past or to gain you inside or have revelation on things that you could do in the future so lots of different options and so on the app. We do some really great breathing breath. What classes live streamed on their An also lots of prerecorded stuff on there as well I'm currently mentioned sunday service. So i'm currently during the months of january and february twenty twenty one just to support everyone through i guess all lockdowns but i guess it was inspired with the uk lockdown just to support everyone through this time. I'm doing some forty five to fifty minute breath. Work sessions thursday evenings as well so thursday and sunday evenings and Yeah just cermony. Different entry points to start to build a relationship with your breath and everyone's at different stages in their lives and need different things and the cool thing about the breath is that it's kind of like the swiss army knife for the body. You know you've got something that you can use in so many different ways to create all sorts of different benefits. So it's really up to you as to how you want to get started. There's an interesting in the book what you do. Is you actually go through. What kind of breathe a you are. Because i'm thinking about someone listening to this. Might be thinking really another thing to worry about my breasts like shit seriously. Like that's just something. That happens automatically. I've got bills to pay have time to pay attention to my breathing. But what are the benefits of actually understanding. What your what type of breathing you all the way that we breathe is sorry intimately linked to our nervous system. It can't help but reflect how we are feeling of what's happening internally inside of us so if you can start to pay attention to your breathing and start to build a relationship with your breath then actually can gain so much information from it around how you are at that moment in time so that i mean that's just one piece but you know so many of us aren't breathe in a way that is optimal so just by changing a briefing. There's potentials for more energy. Feeling more calm feeling more creative. Getting better sleep Just by changing the way that you breath and noticing how you breathe day to day so many people who have some sort of breathing pattern disorder will experience like very real symptoms that can also be misdiagnosis other things you know. Even sometimes asthma. For example asthma might not necessarily just be. Asmara might be something to do with the way that you breathe Every day so there's lots and lots and lots of different things that can be good by understanding. What kind of breathe. The you are and learning to observe seeing how it changes throughout the day based on what you're doing based of how you're feeling As well as then also learning how to use it to create lots of other benefits for yourself. I am recently had dr Key on the podcast. He's a neuroscientist who essentially talked. We talked about a lot but one of the things. She talked about a lot with the mixer. And how the amidst lyricist very tiny of the brain but also powerful and how important it is to calm the dealer and actually how even though it is this tiny part of the brain. Modern living actually means that not. I need triggered a but it's informing a lot of our actions and decisions because it doesn't give us the when activated it doesn't give us that beat to think about what we say what we do or what we act. And that's why maybe culturally there's a lot of very reactive people out there on social media in the street. Whatever you might think is that one of the most useful things you found recently in times of breathing given what everyone is going through that if someone's listening to this nothing i don't have time to meditate all of these things. I'm being told to do to calm down. It could actually just be as simple as taking sixty seconds to just observe your breath to to break that cycle with the dealer and stop it from making you angry so breath work. I find is you can kind of think of it like Meditation for people that meditate and for the longest time we've had thought of meditation is the most ideal way to to learn how to become a train yourself to become but it's really hard and it takes time it takes practice and that's because you know you're using the mind to get a hold of the mind whereas when you saw it and learn how to use your breath instead physiologically your breasts us to change the systems. Fire the activity in your amid. Dula like you said And therefore you're using your body to get a hold of your mind and it can happen quickly so it does. Take you know with the ken with the minutes. You'll start to see massive changes in how you nervous system is firing bringing us back. If this is what you want to do. Bring yourself back into a place of calm and centeredness You know if you can go for a little bit longer two to three minutes even better if you can for five minutes. Wow what a luxury. How great is it that you can take five minutes out of your life to feel good for no reason other than that. You're breathing but it's a really great thing to be able to start to incorporate as a habit And something that teach for example. When i do a lot of corporate work Particularly you know sh tell teaching how to breathe for ferkous or how to breathe for creativity or to make decisions to increase performance. Because what's the old saying you're early ever as good as your state senior you could be. You could be confronted with the exact same obstacle the exact same task. And if you're in a place of being flustered or stressed or anxious then you're not going to be able to perform well to be able to be as productive as if you came from a place of relaxed focus so knowing that the breath can change that few within a few minutes Really can be quite profound. Do you think the modern living. I'm talking about corporate. So people listening to this. He might have really tense job situations the the manager. He when they see their email coming to their inbox that immediately fires up that puck response dean you think that that world on its productivity can go hand in hand with what you're saying that the the idea of slowing oneself down. Do you think that ultimately if you come out of that gear. Maybe that world isn't for you. Did you see what i mean. the good question. It's a really good question. Because i would agree with you. That especially when we talk about things like going into like psychology right where the tarn of an organization has to be set from the top down and there are really in organizations out there that have all these things in mind and promote these initiatives around Wellness being able to make sure that the employees are being given the space that they need in order to flourish rather than in a head to the grindstone. All the time. I just need output from you. it's a funny thing. I am Thinking about my own consulting. i used to find. It's very interesting. How specifically like something consulting where your asset is your people you know. You're literally selling your people to clients How there isn't more of an emphasis on treating those people like kings and queens in if And make an making them sir. Happy that they are all they wanna do is delight their clients as well You know. I think that's probably what's going to change in. There are a lot of interesting organizations out there that work with leadership and bringing. I guess you could say a more conscious and sometimes even hot centered approach into into leadership so that they can create that top down Almost waterfall effect of change. And so i think it's exciting but at the same time you know i would just say that if you can take if you're questioning if this is right for me or not if you can create a ferkous to be still in the time that you can be still creates stillness rather than distraction so rather than try to stay busy even outside of your work life can create some space just to be still and be quiet because what eventually bubbles up. Is this intuition in this feeling and starts. Let's see if you can understand ought to interpret what this intuition trying to tell you and that will be your answer and it might not be what you wanted to hear. It might be really scary. It might be Something that seems unpleasant to do. But you know obviously you do the things. That seem sensible. Look after yourself and make sure that you You know supported. But maybe be brave. Also do you think that internally were all there's a there's a small part of all of us that's trying to steer us in the right direction and by right direction from what you say you know to your most authentic self but so many things get laid on top of that. The at some point need to stop hearing it. This is where we we micro slightly we we but it is my belief that there is a universal intelligence that governs everything and i mean it necessarily as like. There's a big man upstairs with the big white beard. That saying this is what's going to happen. I mean not at all. I mean that does seem to be. Some sort of order is unifying order in the world You know they say just trying to remember exactly what it is It's just it's just. I'm just losing it. So don't take quite specifically but at something like in order for like if the d. name constructional makeup of That makes up. An entrance was left to pure chance. And you had. Let's say a supercomputer running through all the options to create the exact dna structure that creates an ads. It would take more time than the universe has existed to create so for it to be a completely random chance that all these things that we exist that we exist into to be statistically is impossible so that you know you start to think about things like that and you go well maybe there is something that kind of binds us all together. And you know you can start to. And that's what i believe. Your intuition is or simply just coming into an lyman on centeredness within yourself that maybe there is a part of you and this is where we have to learn to move out of our heads because heads is so good at plugging us into the outside world and interacting with the outside world making decisions Understanding social structures all these kinds of things but if we do talk about an intuition or a sense or gut feeling to why we call it a gut feeling. It's not in the head. It's in the body so becoming embodied turning quieting the mind opening the hot and seeing if there is maybe a little voice a little feeling a little something. That's waiting to be acknowledged you know. You said something that a few people have said to me on this post and also In interviews the haven't taken place on tape and the last person you said it to me on this podcast. I think was jeff thompson. And it's this idea. And when i sat with jeff thompson it was a real surprise to me that he wasn't a beam. A ball of light in front of me rather than this man is. He just seems so. Volved and so Awakened actually and he is somebody who set on this cost about win. Not an winnow individuals. We are all connected in the soon as you understand that everything falls into place is obviously quite hard to see it with everything that we have going on in the world. But it's really interesting that you say that actually if you quiet yourself and you listen to your intuition that's not just your voice. That's a collective voice if you like trying to steer you towards what you're supposed to be absolutely and there is so many different Names for this collective oneness that we all experience which has been in many forms of religion and philosophy forever. But you know more. These days we start to understand it as perhaps like a a unified fields inner or that we equip some people refer to it as the quantum field. You know and i always and bit careful with the where quantum because it feels like. Oh just throw quantum in front of anything over to become scientific but you know is a bit of that in the kind of spiritual new agey world but of course baby. Yeah it's quantum you need to understand is quantum But you know there. Is this imb rupert. Sheldrick calls it the The more thick field will more resonance so they does seem to be some sort of way that we're all entangled together and i like to think of it much more. Like maybe we're all we're all cells of a large organism which itself is part of another lodge ogata's which is self is another part of a large organism. It's called the fragile nature of the universe where everything is just a is the same at different scales essentially and we can see that in so many different ways you can look at the structure of sun plants and flowers and then see how they hold the same structures galaxies for example. Your nurse or we do live in this fragile existence Which then again implies that there is some sort of order that we don't fully understand so it's exciting and i can't wait to until going on for that paper to be published so when we think about this coming back to that about people a being part of one consciousness and imagine if everybody was plugged into at the same time right. What about if everybody breathed in the same way or in the same Rhythm at the same time do you think it would be because these things about group thing. Can you about people focusing listeners. I have a ton of research on this to be able to speak with authority but that all these a group thinks situations where people get together when they focus their attention. They think about assessment thing. And that's the some evidence there isn't a oh if you want a fantastic book that does go until the research and cases around this by an author called lynne mctaggart And i believe the first book she wrote about a think. It's called the field. I might be wrong. The second book she writes called the power eight. But if you start with the first book but lynne mctaggart is. She's a journalist and she approach to understanding. A purchase phenomenon did all sorts of experiments and the results have fascinating sir. Right and i. That's why i love group events And i don't even necessarily do a lot of one-to-one work anymore. Most of it i want to do in groups because there is power in the group there is like a momentum or an almost like an exponential effect when people come together and breath one of my absolute favorite millions of my life so far as being I was very fortunate to do a session at british summertime festival here in london in the gain. Hi buck Had about two and a half thousand people. Lying down in high puck doing breath work for about thirty minutes and The energy coming off that you know the effect that it was having and i could see was immense in our sir. I just adore getting lots and lots of people together and you see it breath work. Obviously but if you just look at any event where we come together as humans whether it's a concert whether it's a football match in you can feel the electricity in the air and then when one person screams everybody screams nurse so there's a certain level of entrain meant that happens as well and if you are somebody that struggles with let's say make bringing the mine and making it quiets or maybe connecting to your intuition or having transcendental mystical experiences in that kind of thing then get amongst a group of people who are good at doing that because a rising tide raises all ships right. So you will. They're they're earn contribution to that morphing field that residents that you create in that group will help to bring you up. And that's what's so exciting. That's what's so cool and what's been in some ways a little bit frustrating with obviously the lockdowns is that it's hard to come together physically To do breath work sessions however in the first lock down in particular we were getting regularly about fifteen hundred people joining in for these instagram. Doing breath work from all over the world. And you could feel it. You could feel the change Off each of the sessions getting between two hundred or three hundred messages on instagram off to its of people sharing like this is what i felt and this is what was going on so there is power and a group definitely and we need to even if it is our online. There is still a great effect. I i've really really enjoyed talking to you. And i think ever. Since i started to pay attention to breathing in my own life but also since i started speaking to people who've made it the area of research like james nester or even having dr andrew weil on an his four seven eight brass technique and their results. He's seen with that. It does seem to be they the the little bit of magic that we all are capable of using because we will breathing and it's just a case of tweaking how you breathe and i do think the book is really wonderful in that sense of how you breathing now well. Let's get you to a place where you're breathing better because spoiler alert listeners. You might not be breathing in the best way for you. And that's not your fault you'd be the part of the majority. Don't worry yeah but the benefits you will reap from just paying attention to your breath and we've talked about so many brilliant concepts today and some of it might be a bit out there and intense for certain listeners but really the breath is it's so simple and that's the beauty and it's how impactful be yet. It is sir simple and in the book it really is shed in a way to make it as simple as possible to be to make the quickest and largest strides possible in order to develop relationship with your breath starts learn how to use it with purpose to really hopefully improve your life in many ways because i know sometimes i say show me the data and that is really important to me Just because i don't want to be head winked but equally when i go on holiday. Imagine that i've never had gone. Had a compensation with the pilot and asked about you know the physics of that. Because actually i believe that's the experts so it is a case of sometimes. It is really important to understand the science love it but actually the application as long as you basically listeners. If you're listening to me and any guest on the show you know that even though that telling you to apply my seems quite simple. The work has been done that to prove that. Actually you're going to reap benefits but if will you need to do is get five minutes of your day excellent. You don't have to do the research. I so agree with you there. You know. I always say when it comes to try to understand what to believe or what actions to take. It's all to do with your own experience in. It's all about like kinda mentioned the very beginning holding all the information all the views and all the police lightly in front of you and then experiencing for yourself to decide. What is your truth because you know what we'll serve. Yo truth might be different to somebody else's and that's totally fine that's beautiful it's part of being a unique individual And sir so yes so letting to breath in certain way trying. A breath work technique. It's pretty simple. Doesn't cost you anything And tried out and see what happens and he might be surprised. Thank you so much. The links to ritchie the book the app the website instagram will. Of course be in the show notes which can be found wherever it is that you're streaming and downloading this episode. Where richie thank you so much for being so generous with your time and your expertise. I've loved up. Oh thank you so much really fun. What a great conversation. I do hope you enjoyed that conversation with chimney. Thank you so much for listening if you want to get in touch with me. It's so easy. Email me out the beauty. Poku g mail dot com. You can damn me on social media and the guns. That's on instagram. 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#410 Errol Doebler

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#410 Errol Doebler

"Now the lace. Welcome to I glass fatherhood. Welcome everybody to sold four hundred and ten of the podcast I. AM happy as always to be here with you. Thank you for stopping by. This is your first time listening to the podcast please air bag nets tribe on. You do not want to miss the action. It's coming your way right here on personal. Fatherhood. Right Dad's it's time for another frogman Friday additional. First-class Fatherhood Former navy seal nobler joins me on the PODCAST. Arrow is also a former FBI agent. He served as a member of the FBI's New York Swat team was attached to the US Army Seventy Fifth Ranger Regiment while serving as special agent for the FBI, he deployed to Afghanistan in two thousand ten with the seventy fifth army. Ranger, regiment ever participated in extensive combat. And was presented with the FBI shield of bravery for his actions on the battlefield, which is the FBI's second highest award for valor. is currently a level two Wim Hof method instructor. So this is going to be a lot of fun. It's a big honor for me to have on the podcast ever nobler will be here with me and just a few minutes. It'll please stick around for the interview and today's errol Dobler was recorded on video and is available for you guys to watch on my youtube channel. So if you'd like to watch the conversation between the former navy seal and myself please subscribe the first place by the hood on Youtube, the link is in the description of today's podcast episode. A right in since April dobler is a Wim Hof method instructor here I highly recommend you guys flip it back to episode three, hundred, Forty two and listened to my interview with Wim Hof himself. That was a really cool interview for me to do, and if you guys are a fan of the Wim Hof method, you'll really enjoy that episode and if you enjoy listening to my frogman Friday interview, there is no shortage of navy seal dads that I've interviewed. That are available in the archives of the podcast here including most recently my interviews. With Jaakko willing and Rourke Denver right and follow me on Instagram at Alec Underscore. You can find out which Dan's will be joining me here on the podcast next week and as always guys, please help me spread the word about this podcast every five in your neighborhood you contact lists let them know about the show that's he is celebrating Fatherhood Family Life Fatherhood rocks fairly values rule and every day is father's Day right here with me and I'm GonNa be right back with former Navy Seal Herald Nobler I'm Alex and you're listening to First-class Fatherhood. All right as you put on a few pounds during the COVID nineteen lockdowns, you're not alone it's time to start eating healthy and eating right and it's never been easier to do. So with eat clean bro, they make it simple to get quality food to your door check them out at eight clean, Bro. Dot. 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Appreciate being here, this is a is about as important podcast as it gets talking about father 'cause we're not talking about it enough these days it feels like right on with that. Let's start like this. How many kids do you have and how old are they? I have three kids I have a seven year old son Henry. Six year old daughter Camille an eighteen month. Old Daughter Levi. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Brand new. Offer number for you all done. No Man I'm fifty, two years old so. We've done. that. You got the older one, the seven year old sports activities just yet or no? Yes. We started to all the kids to to include the eighteen month old we swam right. So we I grew up the water we live just a couple of miles from the ocean. We've got a pool. So swimming started almost immediately Then we did wrestling surfing and some Jujitsu and then my daughter she's she's got him in piano and My daughter has an Artiste for sure. So she's GonNa we're GONNA put her in ballet and stuff like that. So we kind of. Just, what we feel like the the lifestyle sports right now, right just swimming being comfortable some contact and enjoy nature. Yet, good stuff. If you could please just take a minute here to hit my listeners a little bit about your background and what you do sure from originally from Long Island New York which all long islanders are always proud to put out there front. What a school at the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis from there, you get commissioned as an officer. So I was on a ship I I was on the oiler USS Monogamy Hilo for a couple of years, and then I transferred over to the seal team's whereas a platoon commander at seal team. Ford seal team one got injured on deployment. Went to the private sector for a few years, selling copiers and software. All good stuff. Nine eleven happened joined the FBI spent thirteen years in New York City thirteen years in the FBI mostly New York City working counterterrorism. And then got a little frustrated with some government stuff and said, it's time to go out on my own. I started my leadership can confirm back in twenty sixteen in the wrong with that ever since. What an incredible journey had airline. Thank you for your service of course and and the longest right here. Then about how old you when you first became a dad and had to becoming a father change your perspective on life. I was. Forty five when I first became a dance. So I got started late You Know How did it change my perspective without being too cliche. It made me a better person and what I mean by that is in everybody will certainly relate to this when you start seeing behaviors in your kids. And you recognize him and you go. Oh, where'd you learn that await learned that for me so you know and my son will be just like me. He is for better for worse he's going to be made. So I pay extra careful attention to him and when he does something. The first few times where did you learn something like that and he doesn't even know how to answer that and my wife would be standing beside me going well, that's exactly what you do. So how did it make me a better person? You'd see a mirror in yourself released I, do in my kids and I quickly adjust my behaviors that I see in them that. Might go down a detrimental road as they get older just if you're paying attention to can't help make you a better person. So from very selfish standpoint, it's really had any check who I am as a human being and my being in my doing everything I can be as good a role model because for better for worse, they are going to copy what I do so. Yeah very well said, Arrow and and I've had I had Wim Hof on the podcast back on episode three, forty, two I know you're a Wim Hof method instructor when did you first become aware of half and the method and what got you major get involved wants to become an instructor. Oddly enough. So I was working. So I do leadership consulting and I was doing a weekend retreat for client and the CEO called the wants you to implement. Off Method into three days. And I said, okay, what's the win Hof method I had no idea. So he gave me a guy's name who he wanted me to call up. That guy's name is brandon pal and Brandon spent about two hours on the phone with me talking about it because I had done some quick research and the first thing you see some guy in a bucket of ice water, you're like Whoa. What is this just got resonated with me? So that's how I got turned onto it soon as I got off the phone with Brandon I started the process to become certified instructor which takes about a year. They don't just give them away which is nice. And I had it. I used it for from a personal level initially you know and the story I tell the people after about a week of doing it my wife said I. Don't know what this new thing you're doing is but you are never allowed to stop right there was just because the stress was coming down little more measured and then I just found was a great tool for my leadership practice. So I just I introduced it to my clients for behavioral change and all sorts of stuff. So it's really been all encompassing for me and I love. Yeah. I, Love Whims Philosophy on life I love his perspective where he comes from what I'm kind of curious is. Especially, the coldness that he seems to defy like nature. When he does this, we young guys is this something that they should be trying to learn when they're heading into the Wim Hof method help these young is get through buds. Would they have an advantage if they used the method? I think I think they're doing. It's been a while since I've been in touch with what's going on at buds but from what I understand, they're really. They're really introducing a lot of new stuff to the candidates and I think some of it might have to do with you know cold exposure and and maintain your breath I'm not sure but I will tell you this. It probably would make a difference right because you don't have to. Obviously you're sitting in the cold they'll send the whole class in the cold and and say, okay, you can all come out somebody quits well. Okay then you're Kinda like, is anybody GonNa quit so if you can not endure the cold but thrive in the cold understand what it's doing for you what it can do to you yeah I think it would have helped a lot because you have to. You hadn't really summit a lot of grit at buds when they put in the cold water and. You don't need to summit all that grit to survive or to thrive in the coal right I spend lots of time in ice bats and it's never like this. You know, and that's that's how you doing bud. So yeah, I think it would help. So if there's any spiring buds trainees out there. Yeah. Do it. Yet to be a lot of them now. And what about just curious what do you think is the Saint Age for young kids or like for dads that are out there doing it in their kids like you said before they mimic you they look up to you they want to do what you're doing what's the page introduced this to your kids for them to start doing the ice bats and practicing this type of stuff so we we implemented it. As soon as they're they're ready. So you know I would be out there I would do my is bass and They come and watch me and they'd start by sticking their hands in and then they'd leave and then they'd start by sticking then go both hands and little by little. You know while I was always there. They would just say what I want to try to get in. So I let them naturally do it right I. Don't say it's time for ice bath. Let's get in there you know. Sometimes my son is he something else he'll get in he was in there for almost two minutes one time and I had to pull them out right because yet to be careful especially that young as I'm GONNA go. That's that's enough of this. But the answer your question is I just kind of let it happen naturally we obviously always watching them what they want to do we kind of let him do and it's it's really progressed nice in the same with the breathing were little more. Proactive on that, but we're trying to do is just create the principle of heavy. Feel a certain way. Let's take some deep breaths. Let's let's lie down. Sit down. Let's take real ten real depressed because that will help us feel better. That will you know whatever does so we kinda naturally try to incorporate it. In our kids lives out, just kind of becomes part of what we do. Yeah good stuff and I think just being in this age of the technology gives so many more of US access to so much information that we didn't have before especially when it comes to thought process breathing methods, how to handle stress and stuff like that and I think it does a lot of good and just to bring this back into you as a dad here of always curious what the Frogman here how they handle discipline as a dad what type of disciplinary you when it comes to being a dad and is it different than the discipline style that you grew up with? You know I'm I'm pretty happy. Go Lucky Guy. So. I enjoy laughing and playing with my kids but my dad was not a huge disciplinarian. He was you know the light of my life he passed out about six years ago. And I always thought. She had kind of pushed me a little bit harder to couple of these areas is it came to some personal behavior and certainly academics right. I was at best lazy student and I've Gosh regret that as most of us do as we look back at our academic career. So what we try to do at my house, we try to be disciplined around behaviors right? We sets of behaviors that we think are important, and then we focus on that and then we find the rest kind of falls into place. So you know be kind is one of those behaviors so if I'm really hard on them. Anywhere, it's when they're getting after each other. Okay and and now they're starting with the snide comments and things like that. So from that standpoint, I'll get hard on them, but mostly because we just make it clear, we always say look, this is what we do in this family were kind what don't you understand about that And having a six year old or a seven year old have to answer that question like literally all ask it. That's that's punishment enough right. So so they get it. So we I'm disciplined we're around behaviors. You know try your best be kind and pay attention. That's kind of what we focus on right now and the those branch off into a lot area. So if they're doing those things, right? Lots of other good things happen if they're not doing those things, right will bring him in. We'll sit him down. So you know in those areas I could be pretty tough. Generally speaking I'm I'm probably salty of the two between my my my wife and May, but I try to help her out but she's running the show here so. Yeah good stuff and I, just like you I was very lazy and learning growing up and now I at this stage of the game. I got such a thirst for knowledge. Constantly I mean I'm a big reader I try to release the book every week and and that hit me later everything comes in it's time you know my my have four kids myself and they're all at different levels of interest in learning and and you know I. It's different for each kid and you mentioned they're Kinda says, one of them what would you say are some of the other top values that you're hoping to instill in your kids growing up? Today's episode is being brought to you by Manscaping Dad's twenty twenty has been a year of things happening that are completely out of your control but there is one thing that you can control and that is shaving that area that made you a dad in the first place my sponsors over at Man. Scape Dot, com or heater remind you to do. So the MANSCAPING lawnmower three point zero is a premier electric trimmer that is waterproof would advance skin safe technology. So you never have to worry about scratching those love sponge while you're giving yourself a smooth shave the lawnmower three point zero is included in the perfect package three. 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We talk a lot about emotions at a very young age because that's one thing that I struggled with growing up. I was overly emotional. I let things get me to riled up I would just act on them and what we're trying to instill in them as you know to be kind to somebody recognizing how you feel and recognizing how they feel is really really important because that's the genesis for all of our actions right if we're feeling a certain way and we don't recognize it, we just act. It's random how we're going to act. So we really focus on that a lot. Okay. Hard work. We want to be smart work as well. So one of the things that I appreciate all all the team guys you have on it's fun. And it's a, it's a great place. A great outlet to hear what we all think. What you I'm sure you've heard once if you heard a million times is slow is smooth. Smooth is fast. So when it talks to talk about working hard. We kind of try to implement that right because now they're they're at the table doing their homework and they just want to get done as fast. They can say I was the first one done right and we said well, not really 'cause you may have been done with your ten problems but you had five of them. Wrong. So you went to fed I've got to go back and if you had just done incorrectly slowed smooth, you'd be done faster. So those are some of the things that we're really trying to implement again behaviors I think they can just take care. Yet. Good. Stop talking about like like I guess one of the things with leadership I would say is trying to figure out the strengths and the weaknesses of each kid just for my one of the things I recommend to a lot of DADS out there. Parents is the five love languages and I know it's one that you you think of doing with your spouse kind of find. Their love language but I recommend doing it with your kids as well to kind of find out how they received law and how they give law, and it gives you a little bit better insight onto a discipline them and how to help candidates and talking about books getting a yearbook here The process are in science leadership How does your book different from other leadership books. And how can parents or dads used a book to help their families? I think. The my leadership book is it's a little different in that you anytime, a seal writes a book you're GonNa you're going to hear some of the same things rex roll cut from the same cloth. We generally believe very much the same things. But what I do in my book is I lead with all my failures. Right I decided to kind of go the other way. And say, look, here's all the things that I did wrong I've got a nice resume reads very nicely. That's great I'm proud of a lot of the stuff I did but that's not why you should listen to me listen to me because of some success I had in spite of the things I did and what I did was I just went back into my life instead here's the thing she did well in here's. The things where you kept screwing it up, was there was there a common theme and that's were really where I came up with the process you know talk about emotions and personal culture in behavioral guidelines and planning and understand why it's so hard to do these things that they were everywhere in. You know. So I said, well, this is there's a process of this Thursday thought process to leadership you cover all these things. You're GonNa find your answer. So it's a process. It's not it's not. You know here are five kind of random but important traits do these things. You'll be a great leader they may not necessarily apply to everybody, but this process will apply everybody. So that's where it's a little different, right? It's not quite as sexy I throw in some good stories. You know to give people a little jazz over some of it, but that's Kinda where it separates itself. And you know look you when you write a book, we could start a business. You've got to have your target audience and I get it. It's important. But in my heart apart, I believe that this process of leadership was for everybody to include the single mom the stay at home dad everything in your personal life. Okay. Just so happens I can apply at the business in combat in in all its various forms that I've seen but the principles, the process is the same and that's where I feel very happy that I'm hitting the more because I get. Single moms coming up to me. Say You know I read your book at it was awesome. It's right where it's right where we need to be. Thank you for talking about emotions and how important that is. Right. You know parents and community leaders and coaches all the places that are outside of the traditional business stuff. That's where I really wanted it to have impact and I think it is. So if it differs at all I, think those would be some of the areas. Yeah. Well, said I'm definitely GONNA DROP A. Link in the description is episode. So my listeners can get over there and check it out one of the things you mentioned it is your failures and and I think that failure is so important development I think kind of like in this age right now parenting we're kind of removing that from a lot of the kids were not giving them opportunities to fail we see such a negative. We obviously every kid gets a trophy philosophy and I think this has created some havoc in our society as a result of that. I kinda get now. You're right and I agree with you and I think that there's too many safeguards I don't I don't even think they allow jungle gyms on flagrant playgrounds anymore right and that's that's a shame. But I will say watching your child fail. is about the worst thing and how they react to it for me as a father and I really saw that. When we started doing some surfing and wrestling. For by my son finally figured out, he was getting his clock cleaned and watching him cry I I wanted to tell you that my heart was gonna take you add this because. I can't I can't bear to see you go through this. However you know you don't and you understand that he's going to get better and it's my job as a father. To tell him that like no, you're not quitting. You're not allowed to quit. You made a commitment to the season will finish the commitment. Now at the end of the season, we'll see where we are if you don't. WanNa do it again. That's okay. And you know obviously gets better right and he had tough first season wrestling and I just was wondering is he gonNa GonNa come back and you know fortunately they're going to reopen the wrestling says I'm ready to wrestle again. Part of that's because we let him get in there and fail it out work through it and get that camaraderie with the other kids if we had not let him fail. would. He have he definitely wouldn't try it again right because that would have been the way he he does things So yeah, we're we're big on let him get out there letting them fail. It's heart wrenching He's he's a bit of a maniac as is my daughter right? The physical stuff there on their scooters you wanNA scream stop doing that stop doing that but you're like. So they they finally crashed bikes. Because they weren't paying attention me and my wife, Ron and they'll they'll ride bikes in front of us and we're constantly screaming pay attention pay attention and finally I said to my wife we just have to stop. It's GonNa Happen. Let's just let it happen and what does that they're not paying attention smashing into each other and falling right? You would've thought the earth ended. But they were fine but they had to do it. They had to fail. So yeah, it's it's hard but it's important and we embrace it. Yeah I'm right there with you. And it's part of the growth of being and becoming a father to his learning Adelaide go up some my older guys wrestle my oldest son. He's a chess player school wizard. Challenge himself by doing the wrestling and he got tossed around the mat like a rag doll it was tough to watch. But like you say, they start learn he's as long as you give them the opportunity to fail and learn. Benefits. When I was kid we played treat football all the time there were no parents don't. We had to make up all the rules set along the fights and. Penalties and do all that stuff and we we learned how to like saw those problem solving skills at an early age and I we kind remove that from our. you know wh when we hover over time you know too much. You know you're right and I again. So we're we're two in home schooling right now not the not the virtual option we just decided we didn't like. What we saw on many levels we said until this thing blows over, we're going to just take care of business at home. We've partnered with a couple of families and and that's a hard decision, but it's a like minded philosophy and that's one of the things we said we're going to let them go. Right. We're going to let them figure stuff out on their own. When it's play time we're not going to be out there. You know monitoring them just like you and I were growing up and you know sometimes it gets a little dicey but it's a working out. You know. So we're trying to kind of bring back a little bit since we have a little bit control it right on there he got out you're doing the whim Martha method instruction what kind of goals or plans you have here for yourself if you will. Well, you know we're we're going to keep growing the business over about four years in now it's it's everything we hoped it would be. So now you've got, we've got to go through continuing to scale continuing to have impact. On the people who give us the opportunity to share our story And then really just. Making sure. The kids are getting everything. They need a once again I know it sounds cliche but. There is no more thing in our lives right this business stuff will work itself out. All the other stuff is going to work itself out. We focus on making sure we're giving the kids what they need as far as a good loving environment places to make mistakes do all those things and that's what we're focused on. Right we've gotTA make money. We've got to grow the business, but more importantly gotta keep this family strong together in one. Good Super. Cohesive unit yet great stuff, and on that last night I'm GonNa you here. S Four dazzling to get on the PODCAST. What type of advice do you have to that new dad or for that about to be father WHO's out there listening? Well I think the advice I would give them as there's plenty of time in what I mean by that is. Not. Don't do things with your kids because you'll have of time later it's the opposite it means. When your kids tugging on you and wants to throw the ball for five minutes or tell you a story for three minutes. You have three minutes you have five minutes. You may have convinced yourself that you're so busy that you don't trust me you haven't and there will be no better five minutes or ten minutes or even thirty minutes when you feel like you can't spare time for a breath you have time. So when I say my advice, there's time there's. Plenty of time it's when they need you at that moment just stop what you're doing and go do it with them. Right you don't have to do it for four hours. Okay. But you have five minutes you have ten minutes you have fifteen minutes give them when they said can you do this with? Can you listen to what I'm saying there's plenty of time and I think that would be the advice I would give a new fathers because we convince ourselves. That were just so busy. We're so import and we're not we're not. Yeah Yeah. Very well said I love the message. There's been an honor for me. I gotta say. I last father away. Thank you so much for giving me a few minutes near I. It's my pleasure out. Thank you and please keep it up. This is awesome. ooh. Back to wrap things up here I. Last Fatherhood I gotTa give a special. Thank you once again to Dole blow for giving me a few minutes of his time here and it was so cool. Who sent me up on twitter guys, drop me a DM on instagram. Let me know today's episode. Always loved to read your feedback. That's all I got few guys this week. It was an action packed week. If you missed out on any of the episodes, please go back and take a second to take listen next week. I got some tremendous guess I have really been booking with some tremendous dad's follow me on Instagram at Alex. To find who will be joining me here next week, I. Hope You guys joy today's episode. This is first. Class. Thank you for listening. 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The Process, Art, and Science of Leadership  Errol Doebler

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The Process, Art, and Science of Leadership Errol Doebler

"Five seconds what's something you need to work on. As a leader not seven things one thing for me. Irritation bubbling to the surface when plans keep getting derailed is something i need to work on now. Keeping that thing in mind that you need to work on what something you can do to practice getting better at that thing now even if you answered i dunno to both questions this episode has an answer for you and it'll make us all better leaders at home and at work. Welcome to the impact of leadership. Podcast where we believe that no one drifts into excellence. I'm your host. Steve sheer and today's episode is about awareness and we move quickly in life sometimes way too quickly. An old that. I do and we all know that. We shouldn't switch lanes or driving a car eighty five miles an hour without checking the blind spots. A crash will eventually happen. For some reason. We tend to rationalize doing this very same thing in our lives. Full steam ahead never checking for blind spots. Just hoping the inevitable relational wreck doesn't happen before we get to our goal. Errol dobler is my guest today. He's a former navy seal and fbi special agent founder of leadership consulting firm. And if that's not enough a certified wim hof instructor and if you're unfamiliar with wim hof we get into it in this episode of who. That is what his method is. Don't worry you're going to enjoy it. Era gives a lot of practical content and as a super interesting guy at the end. I'll have an unexpected action item from this discussion. That we all can try. But let's just jump into it as aero starts walking us through his leadership progression with the seals and fbi college. What's the united states naval academy. Graduated way back in nineteen ninety one from the naval academy. You pick your service selection in. I want to be navy seal from the naval academy put my class. Rank was not high enough Number village so. I ended up on a united states ship. Us as managua. Hilo for a couple of years. So the surface warfare officer before i put in for a lateral transfer the call to special warfare community which which seal teams that was in nineteen ninety three and i was with seal team. Four's assistant platoon. Commander one as the to commander. And that's where i got injured and medically discharged. I had fully intended on spending my career as a navy seal. I loved it but it wasn't meant to be so it's been a few years in the private sector in sales which i loved. I was in the city on a sales calls sales meeting on nine eleven. Two thousand one and lost my brother-in-law in the world trade center in that event like most people who especially most people who are in the city in everywhere across the world united states. There are some real trajectory changes in. That's when i decided. I need to get back into the fight so to speak for lack of a better term so i applied to the typical agencies and ended up going with the fbi. And i spent thirteen years working primarily counter terrorism operations that have new york city office. They also did. Some gang work in some russian organized crime and i spent the last couple of years of my career in atlantic city new jersey office but primarily new york city counterterrorism international terrorism operations. Then i started Leader one nine three had little bit of frustration that the leadership in the fbi illinois loved being a special agent for the fbi. That is decided. It's time to move on and start my own thing in my passion is definitely leadership in helping people find the kind of the best versions of themselves. If you will. And that's where aim today have look back. I have regretted one move. Okay so First of all were what is leader. One nine three. What is the one nine. Three one nine threes mind navy seal team hell week training class so i was in leader in class. One ninety three during hell week ended up graduating class. One ninety four but yeah that one ninety three that we class was pretty special. We started hell. Week is pretty early in the six months training face. It's like four or five that we get those first. Four five weeks is where you get almost one hundred percent of your quitters in the tricia rates about seventy percent. Thanks we had. We started our class about two hundred. Right don't quote me on the numbers and we ended hell week with about ten and so you know it was just a constant flow of people quitting winner class so whether so bad so it just kind of paying homage to that you know unique time in my life And at the risk of being that guy who who seemed to many movies What don't people like me understand. When it comes to the navy seals hard to say these days represents a lot of stuff out there. You know one things. I think when you get organization like that and also our sister organizations you know the special operations forces green berets delta. And the like you know. It's a very physical environment. It's very demanding physically. There's a lot of courage. It goes into a and i think people see that i think what they don't see is the amount of attention to detail that's putting everything we do from planning to equipment. I don't think they see how much we really focus on how to conduct yourself as an individual in stressful situations emotional awareness that it takes to really be a great operator. Those are the things that we spend a lot of time on. Anybody can learn how to jump out of an airplane. Anybody can learn how to shoot. Not everybody has the discipline to go through a thorough vetting process to have the courage to try new ideas to be in tuned to our motion cells. Make sure that we are our best. Sells out on the battlefield. I think those are some of the things that people don't see you've got over twenty combined years as a navy seal The agent so jumping into the deep end of this thing in your experience what things separate effective leadership from failure of leadership and in feel free to share any stories if you if you want I'm really intrigued to hear your answer to that. Yeah for sure. Got nothing but stories. Now right that's kind of what i do. Tell stories based around our leadership process. But i wouldn't say. A general awareness is is what separates the great leaders from everybody else and it's awareness around everything awareness around emotions worms around other people's emotions into awareness around process. It's awareness around what's working what's not working into the wariness arango reactions thing. It's an awareness around everything if leadership is nothing else. It isn't awareness around. What's happening in who it's happening to. You could make the best leadership decision you the information at hand so many leadership decisions are made without all the information. That's available to them right. We can all. We don't always have all the information if we just practise awareness in everything we do not day-to-day not. We tweak that year year. How talking interaction interaction moving from one to another move from one conversation to move moving for one piece of paper to another one test. We have awareness everything. We're gonna make good leadership decisions and there's just a million stories that i can reflect few come to mind. One was in that. I mentioned this in the book. And the seal teams you know hyatt forgotten during a test evaluation of an operation. I forgot to breathe the frequency in the former braves. Should we be using on the radio. We failed and they didn't tell us that we failed until after like two or three day. Operation and it was devastating Have never just absolutely nobody else's fault except mine and when you fail assaulting like that you really should get fired and that's what i was expecting. These commanding officer came in. And you know he just got what happened and i just listened. Nothing happens my fault. Who's my f- up. And that's it and i deserve. Whatever whatever happens in his awareness around my immediate desire to take full responsibility for. He saw that. I was humiliated the sars embarrasses so i was disappointed that had let my platoon down but i let him now and there was nothing he was ever gonna say to make things worse right again far. We wasn't gonna make it worse fully expected. That was going to happen but what he had was a full situational awareness right. He saw all these things. Wasn't a linear pass fail decision therefore these are the consequences. I think as you looked at me and looked at everything. All all the circumstances surrounding aren't do it again. And i didn't know if he meant the breeze what he meant so i asked him does not the whole thing he goes. We'll have a new scenario for in about an hour and we we end slept days but believe me. We took full advantage. That i mean that's an example. I think of awareness and that has always stood out to me. There's there's one in the fbi. You know again i. I had some struggles with jim leadership in the fbi but some of the best leaders i've ever seen in work for the fbi just happens. They were out wires. But i remember when i moved from Terrorism to criminal or think one of the same. There's a there's very distinct differences in how you operate one of those cases in in terrorism investigations in intelligence operations. You are documenting everything. Because it's intelligence. You want everybody to see every word thought and it's not that way in your kind of general communications. The file criminal thought that you leaving things out just at the level of detail is different and you know i just remember that boss coming up to me and saying you know. We do things a little differently on the side. I know you know all these things. I trust you just document what's required to fulfil the requirements to send. Thanks to the us attorney's office right and it just wasn't awareness. It was an awareness that i experienced investigator but not so experienced tear and he just made me feel good about that. Based on all the things that i was doing very well tell me i trust. You don't have to do it this way. Kinda dissuaded nets a small example. But maybe feel good right. And that's you know that's a couple of quick examples of awareness. That really stood out to me over time. it's a meaningful example of steering somebody in. I appreciate that. So there's a couple terms that i'd love for you to to to help us with So special agent in navy seal brings certain images to mind for me in suctions of the basically. You know that you're superhuman which. I know i've listened to enough interviews with you and i have loved the book as i mentioned before. You are very real and raw about your failures and shortcomings. So i know that's not true But then i learned through the book and three other interviews that you're you're certified as a wim hof instructor and now i know that you're indestructible before we move on So intriguing. I mean as if your story wasn't intriguing enough before we move on. What is the wim hof method and what what would you say about that for people. That are not familiar with the first thing is. They're not familiar with it. Go to wim hof method dot com. Google rim hall. That's his name. W i m h o s His method he is a. He is from the netherlands and essentially he has developed a process backed by science. She doesn't do anything that team. Scientists rendering more shows how we can manipulate influence our onomic nervous system in our innate immune system these are things that scientists previously said cannot be cannot be manipulated. But they can't be influenced there are non off has shown that we can now. Why is that significant at significant. For so many reasons basically we're off method has three pillars mindset and or meditation. Keep kind of changing the terminology roundup but my meditation cold exposure and breathing through these areas. Wim hof is shown. And now i am a disciple and a certified instructor of his. I was taught directly by him. He doesn't that pretty fortunate about that because he's no longer that much in the weeds. He's got all his very capable senior instructors training but he was the big experiments with all the endotoxin experiment. What he was saying to people was. I can't control rain. Immune system they put into the test. They injected him with this endotoxin which is essentially a dead virus Seeds by season as a as invader and just breathing mindset. He was able to fight off the effects of that endotoxin. What is vital. If the effects basically he was able to dampen the inflammation response his immune system was still humming along so while we had while he had that foreign invaders she virus see corona. Virus is very more flexible today than ever bit. He was able to fight off the effects of it without symptoms without the fever without the chills without the headache. All without the sweats. All the things that go along with that and then they did a formal study when it could have. The scientists have to do is control ruben. Test group. I won't go through the whole side of the basically twelve people off method before getting checked in with o toxin twelve people did off method only practice it for about a week. Those twelve people wounded the wim. Hof method able to effectively fight off these of the toxin. All the people who did suffer for science they'll get sick so it is basically using your own breath in nature to strengthen your physiology simple as that. Okay now. I use it as a leadership tool for some of my leadership stuff which we can get into. But that's that's the some asian has probably a little rather not it's good and and i do have intention of tying this altogether as a trying to pay homage to how you do it in the book because that is a piece. It's not just intriguing for those of you listening in. It's not just because it's an interesting thing Side note if you do that. Google search there is a vice documentary on wim hof and the method that i thought was will well worth the forty minutes or whatever and They do show parts of that where he's in the hospital. Getting injected with that eiriksson unreal. He's done another one recently. It's about forty two minutes. That's of the same spirit who he tried a few new things so yeah occurs anybody to go out. Just learned wolf device documentaries a great place to start. I loved to zoom in on the book. few things stood out to me. I've already mentioned a few a couple already but this title. I just wanna talk about the title for a second. So the process art and science of leadership how leaders inspire confidence in clarity in combat in the boardroom and at the kitchen table. So after that i'd like to talk more about the emotion that stood out to me so i if you wouldn't mind tell us about the title and then significance of emotion when it comes to leadership. The title is very practical title. When i wrote this book. I met for to be fairly academic. I didn't even have any stories. Initially what i wanted was the reaction that you act toward just very methodical. And when i say the process art sites might i have developed a leadership process. That's based on final minutes. Okay and if you follow these elements in the form of a process. I promise you i as my guarantee. There's no leadership challenge that you won't find the answer to untie of one of these processes. That's the first part show. I believe i believe in process. I believe you need process because without process you cannot determine where things went right where things went wrong. What's repeatable where do you need to make adjustments for the next time and that goes with process off process of leadership. So that's the first part so we can agree agree for hardiman sake that these five elements of the process. Everybody needs to account inside each one of those elements and you mentioned the first one emotional awareness recognition. That's where it all starts will kind of stay with that. That's going to be different for everybody so all we need to have emotional awareness and recognition for the reasons it like. We're going to discuss but which emotions affect me in effect. You will be different. How they affect us will be different. The adjustments weaning to make based on those emotions will be different. There's an are inside of each one of those elements that is unique to all those. The reason i like might process is opposed to just saying do these things. These things may not apply if they don't then we wasted our time kepa whereas we say recognize emotional words from recognition. Okay have that owes front center. Now i've gotten to decide which motions are the ones. I need to focus on the guidelines for behavior kind of where the rubber meets the road. Right how are we going to behave separate from our widget right if we didn't if we didn't change where we made market are sold. Our widget in these ways will be get better at everything all need to establish those behaviors for ourselves. Let's also understand. Those behaviors are going to be based on the awareness that we execute in the first couple of my process and they're going to be unique to us to what we found. We need so. It's easy for me to say to somebody. Look as a leader. You need to show courage and you need to prioritize things that is absolutely accurate. But if you already do those two things be telling you that means nothing. I've had no value to you right but there's some other things that are deep in the weeds that you don't know about that awareness. So that's the art behind sites when i put this process together. It is wholly based on my experiences. There's no theory. This is not one thing that i have in my process in recent theoretical. It's all in blood sweat and tears literally. When i put this together at the same time. I started become fascinated with joe dispenser in his word. Around how the mind. The brain rewires itself. When i came to realize was way the rain the brain rewires itself process that goes through viewers by leadership process. Or should i say violation process beers. How the brain goes through literally change the rewiring and so i added that in and basically saying accused the science behind my leadership process. It is it's more than what i think works. There's a science behind it to make real behavioral change in our lives. So that's that's the That's suggested the title the in combat in the boardroom table in the board. Whenever kitchen table the leadership process remains the same everywhere. You wanna be bringing your best self to bear you doing the same way. Every single aspect of our last. I use combat. Combat is a great listener towards the visual right. Hit you in the face. If i can do these things while i'm getting shot at height and i can certainly tell you how they work when you're talking to your five year old daughter right. That's that's powerful. That's impacted italian counties because it's the same leadership behaviors everywhere that that is one of the reasons that my interest was piqued. Not just because of the words in the title but because of the implications of them meaning. I don't want to be known as a great leader. at work. it's it applies in the boardroom. In the kitchen table so that is very very helpful and the acronym should be spoken about as well as far as smack process that the planning process is a leadership. My leadership process And i always make it clear. It's a it's it's a straight rip is the process that using the military's what we're using seal team's a watering down a little bit Modified it to make it very simple but you know. That's that's where. I got it from if you fall the elements of the planning process. Which so many people don't do it again. We talk about in combat in the poor at the kitchen table. If you want an outcome you have to have a plan. And i often had people tell me so what you saying. They were asked me what i leave the room. And i go talk to my wife Plaid that seems a little impersonal marriage. Spot is simply this you bringing thought and your best intention to interaction is impersonal. That sounds pretty awesome me. That sounds like i'm giving everything. I have to make sure that interaction were thirty. Seconds or three hours is absolutely the best interaction that i can bring to bear and if i have to spend a couple minutes to think about it. I'm feeling like personal. Receiving end is really appreciate that perspective changes changes things a lot. There's a look do a little while now. So you get your message. Message gets a little smoother in resonates in initially was people felt. That was very robotic right especially the work process. Oh my god process military people but when you start explaining it in those terms Preparation for action with my wife with my five year old dr. You've some thought. What is the situation right. What is happening here as requiring need to have an erection. You don't need iraq's what do i will accomplish in that interaction that matters a want to make my daughter feel good about herself because my situational awareness shows me that she's feeling a little down so my mission is to make her laugh. My mission is to understand why she's upset if you don't define your mission when you're doing something what are you doing. Just acting you just random and then your results will be read and then had worked in you know so The planet processes in integral part people really jump onto his mostly. Because they'd realize how little they actually do one of my favorite quotes in the book. You'll know what i'm talking about. When i started saying your culture is not what you say it is. Your culture is what you do. tightened at several things. You've already outlined. Could you riff on that. Just for a minute. Ultras is is such an overused term. Or it's been bastardized so much and it's fine at all. People should use the word culture because it's an important word but in my mind right the labels you put on things you do are fine. People generally go. We have a culture of respect. We have a culture of innovation. We have a culture of. That's all cool. But if you can't tell me what are the things you do that create innovation. Tell me what the things you do. The cray respect because they'll be different. There's a lot of things you can do to show people respect. Have respectful environment. If you can't tell me what they are specifically just still claiming you coach respecting. You don't have a culture of respect you have a meaningless label guy. We have to be able to define the things that we knew. Then feel free to put a late night here. Business leaders talk about why they might fire somebody why they may not hire somebody because they're not cultural fit. I said fine. What should culture they may say something like innovation or whatever. It is not say fine. How does that person not fit. Well they can answer that because they haven't established things that they're requiring people to do okay. We we talk about accountability. You can't hold someone accountable if you don't know what if they don't what they're supposed to be accountable to gonna be accountable to a culture things you do or how you better make it clear. You're the three behaviors. We focus on a couple. Good behaviors are gonna be a lot of good things happen so Yeah that's those thoughts around culture for sure it's what you do you put on. Here's the point where i would love for you to tie the whim hof method and the things that we've been talking about. As far as emotion effective leadership in the boardroom at the kitchen table together how how does how does the wim hof method. Your background is a seal in. Fbi tied together a will to effective leadership. I use the method as i just call an intellectual tool to practice my elements of leadership process so game who will stay on. The first one was emotional awareness and recognition emotions drive actions that we know gay and without the awareness. Very thing. that's driving your action you can. You can then say you're acting random if you don't have an awareness of what's driving you to act in. Your actions are generally random so we have emotional awareness in recognition than we will have a fighting chance of having control over how we'll be able to make some decisions that's why feel frustrated hair. I feel insecure. i feel angry. How do i wanna act based on that jones. Speaking so that. That's a that's drew that that is a habit. Okay emotional words in recognition. So i say okay. Here's how we're gonna use the walk. Method and specifically cold exposure to get you better had emotional awareness and recognition. So more or whenever it is designed to do and you're about to step into an ice bath or cold shower. His just by getting attention is to say. I want to recognize my emotions before during after cold. Let me garrity something for you. Step into a nice bathroom cold shower. You are gonna have an emotion and you're gonna recognize his just going to be in your face okay. What a beautiful tool right to be able to get in the habit of recognizing your emotions. It is a no lose proposition. I am big into meditation as you can imagine. Well mindfulness and things like that sunday's as we're lying down sitting down and we're meditating. We're trying to be mindful. Her mind wanders. We don't have our best sessions Meant to happen to practice when we get better but some days were off. You'll never be off in the ice bath because in order to it's everything's just like you said in your face so for your intentions emotion. You're not gonna have a hard time recognizing your motion because it's going to be there. You're not gonna have a hard time recognizing feeling when you're in it because it's going to be there. It is absolutely and then that has that we go onto each step right. How do you not survive. But thrive in the ice baths right. You have to. You have to have a behavior. You have to have a mindfulness and we know from the science that if we are thinking about one thing regardless of the stress it's coming in our virus the coal we can relax. You can get into it a thirty degree ice bath and you could be called in not shivering. If your behaviors correct again is a beautiful intellectual tool to allow us to deal with stress and recognized the most important parts of our beings. We continue to bring our cells to bear after. I heard you walk through a cold exposure and ice bath similar to what you just did but in the book My next three showers. I did cold and it was horrible but the but the presence of mind what you just said when that cold water do you hype yourself up. Do you over exaggerate. When you're in that cold us screaming you just trying to get through it or you're relaxing into a. I can attest just on this. Very tiny little scale that i that i experienced. You can't escape it. And there is a reaction and what you're going to find. Is that that reaction to that type of stress. Because it's your body sees it as a noxious event right because it automatically puts a sympathetic nervous in action the fight or flight response. What you've been fine is the things you do. Have you react around that cold exposure. Mir's very very closely. There's huge parallels to how you would react to stressful situations in your life once again you wanna talk about. How did you learn about yourself. what do you like. What do you not like you bring awareness and attention to these things in the ice bath. Cold shower that awareness into daily life different. So how in practice getting better practice those behaviors into the golden exposure. Whatever they may be so good. I appreciate the endorsement. It is absolutely foolproof. And it's a great leadership tool just to get better and it. It's a safe environment to practice and to see your comings versus blowing something up at work or in the kitchen. that's right. There zero consequence yucky practice in oregon in private. And just eleven. Your own private hell. Is your single things. Tell but you also get better quickly. That's funny a frozen hell. That never got a couple more questions for you. I'm really really enjoying this. So who has had the greatest impact on your leadership. And why were they so impactful. While i can name a bunch of people who have influenced me. What i truly remember are the things they did into that means digital bunch of people who have influenced me is usually one or two things leaders done on like i have absolutely got implement that somehow right and i've already shared a couple was your commanding officer. Seal team's need that right now. He was a great leader all the way round. But that moment was so inspirational for me. When i was in the fbi there was another guy worked for an i. Was you know i. I took risks. I like take their calculated risks. I've missed a gene about being embarrassed failure right like that's give sometimes People have network for guys earl. You do what you do and you have my back. Because i know you plan your thoughts around these Take don't you worry about anybody except for me. Because i will cover you in. That doesn't mean. I will cover you in a bad way. It means i will let all the negative influence of people are gonna have racha. Plan touchy man. He was a great leader in many other aspects. The boy is that just something that inspired me. That's always something. You say protection people and things like that but he did it. I know he did and that inspired me. You know my dad. Way back when i was a kid play hockey. Oh six years old. And i was the captain of team and he just asked me. What are you gonna save. The boys six just said you're the leader. You're the captain they expect to hear from you. I just never left me the idea that you are the captain. You're the leader. They expect to hear from you. So that's kind of what i came to when it came to what inspired who inspires a lot of people who do great things. The great part about that. I don't even need to link personal whole the person. I'd like to see politicians right. They're all over the place. I can at least say i can't stand that person. They did this thing. That was pretty inspiring sprite. Of when i feel about personally so from that standpoint. I'm able to get a lot out of a lot of different people. So that's kind of life and so full ising lesson you learned about yourself in the writing of this book while here's the first thing. I will never criticizing another book as long as i live. Somebody's cap stones to put it on paper. Put it out there. They deserve the credit whether we like it or not. So that's the first a true sense of humility so that was the first thing that i learned that. If i didn't have humility already in that area. I got quickly seconded. That i learned was how hard it is to produce autopay right. You can have in your mind. They're not fully form until you write a damage and that's why people. That's why i've writing your goals. Damn that's why writing down what you're gonna do. It's not not a technique. it's reality. I it took me a long time to really put my thoughts on paper so what i learned was while in my very be my heart show. I knew and i know it's important to me until i could put out on paper. I really wasn't able to articulate those. Were a couple of things that in anybody. Should you shop. You'll you'll learn a lot about yourself. It's good so Arrow i would love for you to leave listeners with some encouragement so it's up to you. Sir what would you like to lead with. What i leave anybody else out. There is awareness. Awareness awareness awareness where mr andrew emotions awareness around how you're acting on those emotions awareness around how you want to act if we go internal that we're gonna be better off we're gonna have massive influence on people because they're gonna see us trying to figure it out from the inside out and that may be cliche but it doesn't mean it's all awareness allows you to reflect on yourself how you feeling how you want. So if you're looking for a place to start start with the awareness though beat yourself up the objective it's not to judge. It's just a understand. So that's where i will leave people if i only had one thing to say which i do. Well that is really good. Advice is a great place for us to end. This thank you again. Errol not just for the time or the book but For the leadership lessons that you were courageous enough to put down on paper for our benefit because that does take a lot of vulnerability so thank you sir appreciate takeaway an action item takeaway. Awareness awareness awareness as leaders. There are lots of non fun things we don't want to know or in my case sometimes deal with but we should relationships that need direct conversations credit card statements that need analyzing metrics of outbound phone calls and emails that need to be looked at patterns in our speech or our attitude that could use an honest critique awareness awareness awareness action item. Here's the action item. That i never thought i would have on this podcast. You're ready take a cold shower. What if being shocked and uncomfortable with cold water could help save our credibility as leaders like a freezing cold seatbelt on the highway of life. Kind of a thing. I know that that's dumb. That's cheesy but you get what i'm saying it. It seems worth discomfort behind the scenes for the benefit of those in our home and office. If you take the challenge let me know how it goes on lincoln or somewhere else on the internet. I'm going to start doing this weekly as well. I'm very intrigued by already as you heard doing it a few times it was awful. It was awful. But we're in this together. And i'm willing to do this if it's gonna make me a better dad and a better leader at sea coming up next time i have sarah's law and senior vp of entreleadership. I am so looking forward to that. One we have dozens of other conversations will aid your growth as a leader. Two main ways that you can get them you can go to technology dot com slash podcast or listening on your phone. Just click that purple subscribe icon. You'll have access to all of the episodes just like magic. And if you liked what you heard. I have a simple ask. 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The Wim Hof Experience: Mindset Training, Power Breathing and Brotherhood

The School of Greatness with Lewis Howes

1:24:03 hr | 1 year ago

The Wim Hof Experience: Mindset Training, Power Breathing and Brotherhood

"This episode number nine one zero with Wim Hof welcome to the School of greatness. My name is Louis. House former Pro Athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur in each week. We bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how how to unlock your inner rate nece. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin. ooh Wim Hof said and we are so successful at being comfortable. That Comfort has become the enemy of our success excess. Your fitness is one hundred percent mental. Your body won't go where your mind doesn't push it and he also said unless you are willing to experience new things you'll never eclipse your full potential now. Let me break this down for you for a second. I feel like we broke the Internet because I I took a group of thirteen of some of the most passionate loving vulnerable successful influential entrepreneurial. Athlete men That I know to Poland. I met with Wim Hof a few times. I've had him on the PODCAST. They've been massive. Hits a number of our videos have millions of views where I'm doing doing the breathing exercises so many people say they. They learned the breathing exercises through the videos that we have on Youtube of Wim and when I met with him about a year ago I had him on and I said listen I just love who he is. I love his character. He's a little crazy like a wild man but he's like an eccentric guy but he's got a lot of wisdom. He's done some incredible things some incredible mental and physical feats that I would never even imagine trying to take on and so after we had him on the podcast. Last time I said listen Talking with his son who manages this whole business and brand and I said I would love to bring a group of influencers the answers to Poland and actually put us through some extreme. You know exercises and intensive trainings and do all the stuff and everything he said. Let's do it. My father never does this type of stuff with a group for you know a week they all pay. Everyone pays. And it's like you know fifty to one hundred people at a time but we never because like these private intimate things so I said let's do it. Let's figure out that dates. Let's make it happen. I'm texting back and forth with him every couple of months trying to figure out not like when we can do this how to wrangle. You know a group of ten fifteen of the busiest guys in the world. How many get them all to one commit to do anything? It's hard to commit guys to get together in Los Angeles for a night out just hanging out as friends let alone fly across the world. Living in bulk beds together and do crazy exercises and experiences and it got to be around like November number like around Thanksgiving and go okay annum when the dates that we can do this like. I'm trying to figure it out at the end of January February. I need some time. He's like all. We have is January anywhere fit through the tenth and I go screw it just book it. I'm going to make this happen so I go confirmed dates. Lock it in. This is like five weeks away Eh over Christmas holidays New Year's all this stuff happening right and I say screw it. If I don't do this now I'm never going to do this. And the beginning of the year beginning of the decade is the perfect time for us to get together and whoever's in they're gonNa have an experience of a lifetime so text a bunch of my buddies days and a handful of buddies couldn't make it unfortunately kicking themselves later because the whole Internet was talking about this experience we were sharing our experience on our social media and people were just commenting left and right so tech some incredible men guys like Steve Weatherford formal the NFL superbowl champion. Incredible Athlete Entrepreneur. Father of five. I talked to Mike Pose. Ner world-class Singer top hop charts on billboard. Hot One hundred. He is a master. He walked across America last year. As well crazy Jesse it's ler near Tom. Bestseller Zeller under Zico coconut water. Marquee jets one of the CO founders of those companies and also co owner of the Atlanta Hawks Mark Mark Brown fitness entrepreneur trainer. Extraordinary Nick Simmons Olympian in the eight hundred meters and we actually ran against each other in the national championships. Indeed Sary National Championships track and field back in two thousand five Shutout d three Mich Mathews former. Nfl Wide Receiver and entrepreneur. Matthew Matthew Husky. My Good Buddy here in Los Angeles who is Near Time bestselling author and all over the press every single day. One of the most charming man in the world and and teaches women how to have the relation of their dreams. Aubrey Marcus a founder and CEO of on it New York Times bestselling author top. PODCAST incredible human being humble the poet poet. He is a great author. Great Guy from Toronto. My good friend in COO Mazzi Dorado. He came a bunch of other guys. Came and documented. We had Taylor. We had Dalton come undocumented as well and there were some people there that made the experience. Incredible We had this incredible chef and it was just. I can't really explain how magical it was. I'm still reflecting back on thinking like this was probably the best week of my life and I don't say that lightly because I have had some incredible days some incredible weeks from incredible years but string together six days with everything that we did for twenty four hours each day it was just like nothing went went wrong and the Brotherhood the vulnerability the love what we shared what we experienced together. What we overcame together? I tell you what you WANNA create a bond with someone. Put yourself through an experience on a challenge that so mentally emotionally physically challenging it will bring together order pull you apart push you apart and this brought us altogether. It's been crazy. The connections we had the experience we had and everyone had a different experience while sharing sharing a similar moment and we sat around one day after doing an hour and a half intensive breathing mindset it exercise in a room in the middle of this house in Poland with you know with shared showers with little curtains. Sounds like separating us with six guys to a room in bunk beds. Here's a multi bazillionaire -t's world class athletes you know entrepreneurs and influencers who are used to having five star everything now. Matthew Hussy is a little bunk bed right above me and humble. The poet is across across the room. And you know. I'm just hearing people snore the next room. It's just like this hilarious experience but it was the most fun as we are back in summer camp or something you you know kids just hanging out jumping off cliffs and diving in cold water. It was an amazing experience. Let me just say that and I highly recommend if you get a chance to go sign up for a retreat with Wim Hof. It's just mind blowing is GonNa make you a better human being. It's going to push you it's GonNa make you better human being and we did a lot of different things. We jumped off cliffs at like midnight into freezing cold water. We immersed ourselves in water for as long as as we could holding our breath. We sat in thirty degree ice water for ten minutes. We climbed a mountain for four and a half hours without clothes in freezing temperature. We had just shorts on and gloves and shoes and you know. Locals are up there in full-on in Ski Masks and ski outfits looking at US like we're crazy and were acting like it's no big deal because what we were able to learn through the breathing techniques and through mindset. I set training we stayed up til four. Am Listening to Mike. Posner singer his songs in the Campfire. I mean it was just like the magic that we experience was once in a lifetime and in this interview we sit down and every one of US shares we all shared after this powerful powerful session. We did on breathing and we talk about what opened up for for me and the group of these individuals these men after we were led through this breathing exercise which felt more like like a spiritual journey we talked about the power of the mind and the importance of strengthening it for success in all aspects of your life and everyone in the group shares their purpose for coming to Poland and how this unique experience helped them check in what's really important in their lives and check in with their true mission we talk about what Brotherhood means to each person and the group and how grateful they were to have other people around them support them through the tough ice water challenges and extreme cold talk about the importance of mental health. And how this experience is a great reminder for self care for business owners and entrepreneurs. I'm so excited about this. I hope you you enjoy passing passing around. Mike's There's different audio levels and we're doing our best to kind of speak into the MIC. So just be aware. This is in the middle of no air literally and we're just in a circle a group of men opening up and sharing our hearts so I hope this Inspires as you. I hope you learned something and I hope you share this with a friend because you never know who could truly inspired by this. Who could be needing this message? And you can directly have an impact on changing or saving. Someone's life today by sharing this link Lewis House Dot com slash nine one zero so text a friend shared on social media and feel free to follow some of the men that you'll hear in here as well you can go to the show notes to learn more about the men who were on this trip you can follow a social media. Posted a bunch of stuff recently about at all and you can see some of that. They're also on instagram. And all those places so very very excited about this and now let's dive into this episode on the Wim Hof Experience in Poland so to give some context for the audio. We're here with a group of thirteen. Fourteen men were in a room in Poland. Were sitting with Wim Hof who just let us through through a breathing exercise. If that's what you want to call it more of a spiritual experience and we've just finished and we wanted to share our experience what it opened up for us and before we do. Can you share in a couple of minutes Context of what we actually did what. It's the purpose this of it. Why you do it and how it helps? People heal themselves breath. We have shown INSCI- as the first ones to reach into the autonomic nervous system inaccessible by humans and now we are so we are using breath not only to go into these deeper systems of our grant within our wheel. Full control will we are here to show that the breath actually is the carrier of consciousness and that consciousness we are able to go anyplace anyplace in our bodies in our brain the the seat of the mind and with that get a comprehension. A what is the soul in the moment right here right now. Nothing abstract a feeling feeling is understanding. So I see you you guys here all big guys and influences window so great it is great. I got got a new. Some new insights always keep on learning. I'm very thankful that we have come together to show that we as big man and are able to become very vulnerable. There is the strength to not be a need to stay in control to go past the control into vulnerability because you want to venture into something else than is given us by our schools. Our teachers doctors and so forth. That's why we have come together now would love to hear. What is you experience? Yeah maybe we'll go with Aubrey. I and maybe what we'll do. Is this same proper. Everyone and share what you're grateful for the reason you came here for this experience and the biggest thing that opened up for you during this session or the first two and a half days so gratitude why you decided to come experience with a win and what opened up for you so far in this breathing or this Tom. I mean one of those questions is really easy because this was an easy S. I mean this is Not only did I know a couple of people here already that I consider friends and brothers. But I've got to spend time with Wim Hof himself and Ainum as well all and got to meet his family and have been practicing. The methods is not as much as I will after being here. I think this is one of the big lessons that I've learned. Is I have a lot of the tools I've been on the path learning discovering my soul my spirit like what that essences consciousness your higher self. Whatever you WANNA call it? There's a million words that inadequately described the ineffable essence of who we really are and I've been on the path of seeking that but I don't don't always remember that I forget it often and I forget it easily and to be reminded that it's just a sequence of breaths away and to be able to do that in an environment with people that are becoming brothers. Some came in his brother's like yourself and now everybody the becoming brothers. It's I'm happy I'm happy and I don't know if I'm always happy it'd be honest you know and like this now now is showing me. That happiness is not something that's ephemeral. That's not something that you know comes to you or it doesn't come to you based on some external thing like you can create it and you created the container by bringing all these people together and then we're creating the internal state with our own breath and it just. This gives control back to something that I think society in the world has take his all his out of our control. We get control back by using the method than And it's just the best you know and then you look at the priorities of your life and you're like what am I doing everything I'm doing for when everything I'm doing. He's not yielding this kind of happiness that I've had here with this group this method in a couple of days and and it's just a great reminder about like what's really important in in which way to steer life from here for it so I'm just incredibly grateful grateful for life life and grateful for our bodies and grateful for teachers like women that can help us get back and remind ourselves who we really are and how to get back in touch with the animal and the spirit inside all Nice Nice Steve. I'm super thankful for for tried in my entire life and athlete and then when you retire it's not built-in for you so to just to become here to try up with breath to drive up with a lot of people That I haven't met before are really only needed to know like one guy was coming and that was you lois. But it's cool to see what you've created breath in this drive and we'll never have another experience like this so for me. That actionable steps. I'll take with this. Experience is is for me to be better keeping the main thing made because I think a lot of us with big dreams and the big desires of our heart we go so deep an obsessive towards that and as husbands fathers do when I get home and I put my my truck in park I walk in the door. I'm bringing that stuff with me I don't want to and I don't WanNA show up that way but that's the world we live in and we're trying to get things done we're trying to create legacy eh and that does that does required obsession but Super Thankful Win. The you've used your whole life to figure this thing out and now now you know it's like a popular cool thing to do what you've essentially delayed your entire gratification of your life now boomer finally starting to listen so Just honored to be here and to help. Spread the word over on the west side. Mankato we need to help. So thanks for having the other way I I came because I didn't want to come. He said they said Hey. Getting a bunch of guys and going off and Google swim off in in in the back of my head like that. That's a hell yes your your fears are COMPASSI. Ask they'll let you know what you gotta go so Said yesterday changed my mind ticket for your change. My mind. It's it's it's been such an amazing thing. I think the gratitude the to have and I've heard a lot of people express brotherhood. This is a brotherhood that is being formed. Not simply because we're all in the same room together because we're sharing unique experiences together. Yeah I've had you know you never forget you. I was the first time I jumped in water. Water water water water water. I'd never jumped pool. What I never jumped blah? I can't swim while tongues them with other guys. It's huge and I've I and I have backed out of it and have not regretted backing out of it and this time was the first time I was surrounded by people that were just completely encouraging encouraging. Wow walking up and Mike immediately being secret is think about it yet. Jump didn't take the by. It was all right but you can do three to one jumped shaming surrounded by a bunch of Alpha males. We're trying to peer pressure me and I think that brotherhood I see in my history Grew up only sisters how often I got myself in trouble chasing the relative looking for it in every all around direction and we in circle of self aware honest. superstrong said it's true strength vulnerability and to be his room and see STU superstrong people. John have this conversations spectrum as it crosses everything. We're talking about the silly stuff and we're talking about deep stuff in which tears and we're GonNa get technical and I think to have access to that is just on forever great report in You know I've received asleep so much that it's it is my privilege but my responsibility to put it out there. Now you gotta put it out there on a local level in my mind the people but also with my community and the folks that that look to me and it's just it's overwhelming Indus experienced breathing as audrey. I said it's it's almost almost unfair. How lucky we are? Have all these tools in there. There is nothing mystical. I've been in some on form of meditation since I was eight and often. It's cyclical varieties. You Mama Slap you if you if you move in to see this. Is You know into here whim to say hey let it let it figure itself out and pressure shoulders relaxing. The pressure goes away and it makes room and the say even simple things like in a bill or tear down. Whatever needs to happen? I think so often we're told this is the way to do things and we get now wait in just so grateful for this opportunity to clear clear. Some of the other thing is the ice melted Zaidi's while before but I love how you said you've never had been around a group of guys who were supportive without pressuring pressuring or saying come on. Don't be don't be a whatever like jump in the water. Don't be scared and you said you've never experienced that. Where was this like supportive encouragement? I mean even now message for my first against tool not like my friends at Acura astles just two friends just like all this year with a bunch of interesting guys. Hopefully that makes you interesting. Hopefully interesting and I think wow you know and again this is is how they were raises tools. And I got out of that and I'm grateful for it but I noticed here too. A lot of people here may be family rich in resources orgin experience rich but as a another much more talented poet said people don't grow on trees. Ah People you can't buy right true you can't buy food and you can't. You can't former brotherhood. I force gotTA assistant is together. Let Bill ones freezing. Second my way of course Special thanks to our sponsor imperfect foods now all in all over two hundred and eighteen billion dollars of food goes to waste in this country every year including twenty billion pounds of produce and that's what imperfect foods is here to change. Now I love with this company is doing imperfect foods is the only food delivery service. That buys is the perfectly nutritious and delicious foods grocery stores won't sell and then they deliver them to you at a discount. She can save money and help reduce food waste. 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Yes men Heard about your work for years win and the opportunity to come learn from you first hand in the environment like this such a small group is you know exactly which as he said once in a lifetime opportunity Pity I knew that the the practices will help me like some of the projects working on in the short term but also in the long term for my whole life so I will say flipping into question to. I'm grateful for the opportunity hundred percent grateful for you win. I think Steve's chiefs really well me spent decades alone in that fucking ice. Nobody was with you Mayo. You just figured it out on your own. There's no book so I think everybody learns from. You could be great for that that you had the courage to to spend that time alone figure out figure out your own Shit Tear yourself down. Build yourself up because without that none none of us beer learning this amazing stuff and I and biggest lesson. Few biggest lesson meant yes. It does feel like unfair. Almost silly how how powerful stuff is that requires wires. No anything everybody. That's alive. Has Their breath pretty much Life support so yet. The fact that we're able to go that deep is we just went without taking a drug without fasting without is like like like Aubrey says in a few minutes away it feels almost like Chidi but hopefully that could be come apart of more people's daily lives and myself today Fill like I went to a whole different state of consciousness which is a different place. Different Mind State Harvey to explain Why finished doing the breathing exercise? Start crying but can really tell evolves laughing or crying and it was really interesting because it was absolute Jesse Jesse ask me what were you. Think about your krause. Think about absolutely nothing. Was it absolutely no mental story or memory attached with my emotions like. I don't know if that's because this is pent up in their wet. Maybe we can tell US registered came out it was really It was really powerful for me and again a like Humble said This group or reset. I feel happy to just just being around you guys. It's been amazing amazing. So thank you Louis. Thank you win. Thank you guys showed up appreciate you thank you guys First of all thank you for having US hosting us Thank you guys for comment. I I don't know for me personally. I don't WanNa be the eighty percent version of myself when I look back when eighty five years old when this thing is all over I wanna be like Yes yes man I was eighty percent of what I could have been and when you had the opportunity to learn from the best in the world at what he does is seven billion people on the planet and one one guy stands out. You have to grab that opportunity for me. I would. I'm super aligned with the way win. Thinks is released in nature. When I was a kid and I went outside? My mother was like bundle up. Put a scarf on a jacket on my teachers like. Don't go in the water. It's too cold. Don't go outside. You're going to get sick. And here's he's a guy through science innovation mindset has proven the opposite and in a world where everyone's getting sick following directions of the scientists and the leaders in the pharmaceutical people. Whatever outcomes one man who says there's a different way in with one out of four American American men getting cancer and all the illness I'm drawn to that energy I WANNA learn from that energy so that's why I'm here and Dan? I'm a big believer. You know in in the more you experience the more you have to offer the more compassion you have more empathy. You have the more you can share. I recently sat with a financial adviser. Asked me if you could leave your kids. A boatload of money or a boatload of experiences. What would you want to give them? Of course you want to give them experiences man. What in the world is a better experience coming to poll with thirteen south starters and thirteen guys that are eager to learn? And as you get. You're older I'm the oldest here other than women as you get older. It's hard to create newness in your life man. Like how do you get noon. It's you have to work towards newness this and this was something that was new extraordinary and to get an opportunity to to learn from a guy who's you know on some ways a hero zero in some ways that's taking on the establishment you know and for me that translates beyond cold water it translates to business how I raise my kids. What kind a friend I am? What kind of husband I am and what this man has really done? And I've learned in a short amount of time. It's not about Cole Waterman. It's about your mind that how can you take Out of the cold water and apply it to your daily lighting. So the lessons that I've learned are and I'm on a quest for more. I'm ultra runner. I'm Adad Quest more my biggest fear is I don't live up to my potential. And what he has taught me. Is that the potential is bigger than we all thought if we tap into what we he can control and for that gift I thank you when Ann Lewis and everybody else and the last thing I just want to say. Is You know this is five days in want. Every day is like five vice. Seen here for forty years I lived to be you know two hundred years old minute Poland. That'd be the oldest man in history to live but thank you for hosting compare to you for those that don't know you've done tons of endurance races. You've got get your own mountain adventure race you've done last man standing you've done so many different challenges extreme physical and mental challenges. How does these first couple? Today's compared to all the different challenge dot. They're all unique in their own way with special about this is what brings to it. And there's so much conviction and Conviction take a really long way. I've built my career up fiction and he just re emphasizes that and what's what's different about. This is that thirteen guys in this room. Want to be a special was just one or two now. The challenge with this for all of us is when we go home. Audrey Audrey got You guys got big followings in this room Matt you Louis My everybody is trying to how you even convey the the experience and you can't but what's amazing about experiences is forty years from now. If I see Steve or I see humble. Oh my whatever. I'm rooting for all guys. I'm sure you guys rooting for me. Hope it's unbreakable man. It's unbreakable and Time poll. The man on breakable. So I'm just excited to stay Outside you'll get your chance on how the Mike here. It's it's unbreakable and you don't get that in in textbook man. You don't get that watching the Kardashians you get that going. Out in nature suffering experiencing Cetera last verse as the best part of this is the fear of go like we talk about the cold water and I was scared. All this stuff it's the it's the buildup and then getting over the hurdle and it's no different than starting a business or or whatever it is it's the fear getting over it and setting your standards. Sanders really hot win has said his standards higher than high. Even there is no. There is no standard. It's just you know like if you told we're not landed on the moon with his own arms because he slapped his arm a standard we should we should it all strive. For how far can we push the limits before you know before it's over because nobody here signed up for eighty percent of themselves. Ah I'm grateful for the opportunity to help to be able to come guys and the experiences you guys and in I'm also grateful for the fact that all you guys as we are men Alpha. We talked to be tough. And you involved enough to open yourself up to be you know not so Alpha and just let your your emotions go in. Why came is several reasons With all playing one since I was a kid. I've always felt felt like you know I can't explain much journey. I just always feel like you know. This is guided by higher being for example. When I was a kid I told my mom was playing? NFL NFL at eight years old. And she said you're going to own a million kids pointing NFL. I'm like that'd be the one that's seven years old. This is something that guides you in going to like when I was younger and my teenage years always knew that I wanted to have twin boys on I dislike. I want to have twins. I wanted twins and ironically I have twin boys and it's just crazy it's crazy this is insane And in also in place they play until the reason why I came here is because you know as a kid Are I was teased in a lot. And as a dad doesn't bother you WANNA be able to shield your children away from that. So in scars with a kid you know he take with you as you get older in. I WANNA find out my faults. Sluggish my kids not to take the same path that I took my wife called me yesterday. She text me yesterday and she said one of my boys school. ooh In a kid at school was teasing himself. He had A. He had curly hair. And it wasn't cool insulin cooled after my wife is white and my kids biracial and in a sense to me And you'll have to let him know that you know not to sound on both will but my kids are very good looking kids and you know very little kids in. Let them know that you know it doesn't matter it's all of our life when people think about you doesn't matter because you only got so many so much so much time in his earth that if you wish you're talking about right thinks about you Time Energy So that's one. The main reasons why I came was that I'm trying to find myself in my fault so I can find. See the faults in my kids because my kids my twin boys one is built like him physically. One is like mentally you know so I have to see everything in them in. I WANNA be shown in the right way and the biggest lesson to learn is that you don't all this crazy stuff. You don't need all this technical stuff to to advance yourself and make yourself better and improve yourself you need is inside of you and it's very simple. You know breathing is simple enough So that's the biggest That already have until got put into this earth with the tools you need to be. Successful is on unifying away to access them into put it out into the world. Very thankful for that Sir. My Name's Matt Lewis Calls Me I'm grateful for the opportunity. The simple as that to be surrounded by a group of guys who are passionate wise loving horrible I run Lewis's business. School rain is podcast cast. I appreciate you know every single one of you just Embracing me allow me to be me on this trip. And that's been a powerful experience for me why I'm here degree requirements at the end of it. Lewis said. You're going talk about my mom my wife they're all freaking out. You're jumping in the these ice baths jumping into a freezing cold river deal and life. Insurance won't see all this craziness Lewis. She said you're going acknowledging. Appreciate you for pushing me out on the skinny branches. We need friends like that. We need to support each other and allow allow each other to to see what's possible in our lives so my biggest takeaway is that this method Wim Hof method breath. Ahed is and I can attest to in my short experience. Here is supportive both mentally for your mental health also physically for your physical also. I had a feeling for mentally because I had done off method before in St Louis but physically. I'm sitting here with the dog. And my my my dog allergies calling really. Wow good. He's going up. Goes I ask but my parents couldn't get one because I was allergic around murals. Now it'd be around to object to take after this exercise. I can take breaths where how they had to go outside. Get away shower. They could've touch a dog without like. It's swelling space and so it's the same thing with the rival me. Elgin Histamine is out of control. Hey you got eight and five hundred dollars per se manager of a grid. Yeah so I'm grateful to be here and You know man through church what are you what are you ready before. Wow why are you here and biggest lessons so far from this group this group of guys. I'm here because I wanted to take all of you. Guys visit no with Louis We've been a a couple of times on his podcast. Last time we were there there was like bluish the way he received the way he he led by Dads Ed's come forward and it shouldn't arts due to also to do have the best come out of someone and and is there. An is is my destiny. Let's do some event that I was not open for it because normally I'm very close behind the scenes. I'm I build the big wall to towards these kind of things Because we're busy working with my death for nine years and you you get to see a lot of bullshit out there and That being said here I normally never participated in anything I wear scarf comfy you know. Don't Bunce what Shush but yesterday going into the ice breath and I was like also I don't take ice baths you know. It's like a far off my best show with my dad. Is Anyone doing here what the data is doing and I was there with you guys in the Ice Bentham insane when show Oh. I don't know what happened there but if I go into miniature three minutes with my dad you know the biggest motivator and and with with the ice I get like gratefulness f Bob with you guys watch piece of cake maybe not the game but I felt confidence. I was there endured aids and a grape fee. I I saw different data yesterday. I loved it and also when this group of guys you know I I've looked into it too much but now I'm adding all of you and I'm seeing a certain thing coming forward on the social media and on and on the anything anything and what I see here is is meant you guys are great with your social media but what is years even better than you the bachelor the real deal and that's I'm very grateful for this So it's not just blow your mind so a you guys as Jason once a lifetime experienced that anytime you guys opening up awesome. Ah could you could you share with us different like you said yourself as. I'm very intrigued by that. Because Ciller relationship with my son and I tried to motivate him and he's he doesn't take him for me but it'll take it from my friends. So what was our archrival. Bring up for energy power. How women just that? You'd never does this with me. We never does it. But that's the Oh you know you can do anything with this except for fathers sons religious trauma yesterday. You guys brought it to him but you guys you know we. He's also big guy like In his way a handsome and things that are no inhibitions making big business business and Shutting out everybody with a lot of success I have twelve manages before and I had only thirty thousand dollars or euros of attacks death. That's what I had those twelve minutes that he came in and he took it all along how we got so much. It's all I don't care but what I see in him but it is stocked yesterday chased inst- different and I think he was going to Who wants to take me on? You know it's good. It's good if someone's taking on on that issue. I got more power than I did a good job so two to three minutes twenty minutes. Oh those seem super thank you guys. You guys got the quality the addity the power so you got him convinced when I off you also you also just looked really happy in the ice you were just smiling you're like this energy radiating from your chestnuts. Everything from outside right you know and I liked that position and actively overview and not used to this stuff. I'd like to have the overview I like to see things are outside. We had a couple of course as you seriously. You're not doing greeting says. I need my promise because because I need to you need your traumas need to. Yeah why do you need your traumas. Well Lever said these things make hugh leg. I don't think fear is a bad thing makes you like a cautious and my dad always talks about love off. And he's we're creating something beautiful to break down is like Can Go really quickly debris to build something up. Thanks years So I always wanted to be not in the middle. I need to be outside of that. I don't WanNa be walking around Hippie. Protect what he's is like and it's beautiful but I need to be like I have a role within all what we do and I need to maintain at least. That's the way I feel a and this is why I build these walls but yesterday I can break the wall down for on moments and that's why I was smiling and being super happy. Yeah Yeah I felt that ease That's priceless that's great. I think thank nick. I'm Nick I'm here for you. Guys Lewis Texted me and said we're going to have this retreat in Poland. I've been to Poland and I said well it's going to be there and like Oh cool kind of gave me the rundown Mike Lewis. You could throw this thing at the La County dumping. I'd be there like I'm so grateful for this beautiful setting and I've had a chance to explore the new beautiful mountain sat around us but I'm here for you guys and I mean if this this was this was anywhere else on the next flight because I think I expressed that a struggle with himself out frequently and I'm on instagram. I'm stopping you guys. And I'm like these guys. Not An ounce of self doubt these are these are buildings. They're snakes figures. I Heinen's a serial killer there to understand why these people are so perfect. Talk about be the person that you want to be Imagine yourself in that scenario. Imagine yourself in the shoes and I'm like I wanna be like these guys. I need to go and see what makes them tick. And you know we're downstairs. There's fifteen of us in going back and forth and it's easier for me to sit down with Jesse Wanna one or Mike One and pick up something from you and then it's almost like it's overwhelming and I have to process it so like just talking with Mike and when he said you know I walked across the United States because I wanted to be the version of myself that I wanted to be. I just like I was so overwhelming I had to just throw a hiking boots on and go walk for an hour. That's maybe it's the the loneliness long distance runner. But that's kind of how I center myself is just going out and in my own head for a little while and I seriously for yesterday for ninety minutes thought. What does that mean? And what does that mean for me. Moving forward do I plan my life so feel like I've had a chance to sit down every one of you for whether it's five ten or half an hour and just taken a nugget one nugget from each of you. That is just almost almost overwhelming and I have to just throw a hiking boots on and go process it but I'm so grateful that if everyone of you came out here because it's really impacting me and helping me no major way. So that's the gratitude and if there's one thing that I've really learned in two days here the commonality between the breathing exercises sizes and the ice bats is that we've got monkey brains like the end of the day where we're animals and as soon as I go into holding my breath the the second one into the ice baths. I'm like this. This sucks I want oxygen or I want to get out of this cold. That's my monkey brain and then as soon as I push through that I Fifteen seconds in breath holding push past the first two minutes ice bath. I settle into this really neat. Happy comfortable optical place it gets it gets bad again like at three minutes or that settlements in the bathroom it gets bad again but maybe lesson to not always avoid painful. Mindfulness not always avoid discomfort. That there's a real happy place that can be found if you embrace it initially So I'm trying to like trying to apply that lesson in more more areas of my life. the alert. Nick was looking at the best thing that we're hot. Shit when he's a two-time Olympian national champions inviting. Did you people call or something. Your I love your energy man hearing this to me before you go. What was the exact line that you said about why you crossed? America will pass the MIC back. I think it was a great because I think it was a great line and we all really resonated with that. The reason you watch process to to you know I had actually do you my walk to get to this answer when people ask me before I did. I really know what to say. I just knew I needed to do but Lotta time to think out there but yet when people ask you know why why did I walk across America See. I walked across America to become come. Somebody I'm actually proud of you know the person that I WANNA be. He did that. Walk me go try become him and it is really the same ideas with Jesse was saying earlier. Just different words. You know. It's like if somebody asked me who who my hero is. Or who inspires aspires me. I love all you guys but I don't want to say y'all you guys sewing. I loved. I won't have to say Jesse I wanted to say we don't have to say our own I won't be Oh save me. I aspire me such I organize my life to wear that that that dream that Superhero version me becomes real me is never ending mission. Lola kind of like Snoop Dogg. I got tired of watching podcasts. It docks of inspiring people not being one of them like dat great because you are trying to thank you. Don't let's meet you doc. Speech where he was like. I WanNa thank me Yes for all the hard got forty eight ninety. Nine report is for the effort. I want to thank me. Hey I want to definitely thank everyone in this room for like bringing in Tell you how grateful I am I. It's almost feels like an understatement. I say that because I honestly feel like the most fortunate person in this room. The talent and inspiration here is like it's moving in. Thank you for probably let me slip through the cracks on this email. Get in here down on a house Outta made it in here So like being in a room full of guys who like like I just WanNa see you get better is like Worth all the money in the world so I appreciate all that Definitely came here like looking for performance in and along those lines and really interested in it and really interested in all things whims done. I think what I got out of. It was just how much like baggage. I've put up over the years and levels of like stubbornness that I've just lay it on and so after today's session I feel I was is able to peer into somewhere. Where haven't been since right at him? Yes my name's Taylor. Lewis brought me long to help document this experience and help tell the story you guys It's been incredible. Incredible to watch all of you. high-performers thought leaders. Just incredible human beings go through experience and rally for reach other seeing you. All Chan is bath yesterday. Mike Sing and raising notes everybody smiling and having a good time and pushing through that pain together together and developing that Brotherhood in in such a natural and powerful way. It's been incredible to watch and I feel so grateful that that I'm here to tell that story and share I think my biggest takeaway is that this stuff is powerful and we're so we're so privileged and we've been given the responsibility to to share this and It needs to be out in the world and some excited to see moving forward Washington guys support this mission support this work Anna and Really grateful that we have experienced together to share it with the world for I mean Louis April got to work together and I asked him. I said you know who's been inspirational in your life. You know what are you on this year. That's pretty crazy easy. And he says well if someone that I really to this off and I'm actually going to go to Poland with him in the next January so now and awesome hop experience with him. No air between that sentence. I said I'm in here. I ever bite you Hours it said I meant because just like you said there's not going to be a day or week or month. It was by knocking C Matthews. I know I'm on earth to become no chance he's not going to happen. And so here in guys you know all the little older than me say that is like Amaury Amaury there amid a million are today and I was nothing someone yakking. This idea springall upstairs. I'm in a let someone twice my age running. Correct me you know and so on your to maximize my potential and give it to everyone. But I'm for everyone vulnerability like there's frigging billionaire families. You guys are crazy businesses. There's humongous influences room. But not a whole each other and baron position pass album each other as uh pretty tackler and I'm grateful to see that in my life I look for challenges of created my own challenges with working twice a day healthy eating pretender weeks and things like that and challenges like this on looking for those opportunities but I'm grateful when refer you and challenging us to create something like an excursion or some record-breaking thing that we're going to do I'm I'm in that I want to help you get this out. It's changed me. It's a lion me usually when I go on vacations for three or four days like almost almost anxiety like a half you back to work. I'M GONNA go back to work and back my business and having Zayed that are not here with you guys on change myself. So it's just realignments. What's really important? So thank you everybody for money be on you Mak you Hussy In terms of what. I'm grateful I truly. I'm just grateful to be considered an energy. That's worth having on the on this week. This is rarefied and to be around. You guys. The greatest compliment item save. Save is the youth or in some way. Contribute to this. Because you wouldn't have invited me if you didn't feel that since the accident somebody sounded it. Truly just grateful to be in the company of you guys in terms of why I came. I had a really difficult. Last year was really tough I didn't know what I would of this by did know for sure it would shake things stop even if I had a terrible time. I'm like they call knock shake things up and I had a pretty terrible time in weight loss. So I though is not gonNA GONNA another terrible time called heavy that bad and one of the before you go to the next thing one of the reasons I chose each person here per specific reason right. You all have an energy or some reason why I thought you would contribute to the group the collective group and the reason one. We're close friends we've been prince for years years and we hang out in La a lot. But two is because I was with you through the pain of last year many different occasions and I just knew that if if I could get you here. Maybe it's not going to solve your problems. But it's going to give you a lot of tools to support you in overcoming the pain better. That's right for a week or two of relief. I knew it would give you something to clear the energy clear the mind and move into a better year better decade without the baggage of the past Austin. So that's that's why magazine. And then he was out and then he was like dude. I want you here because I know this will help you. Yeah and the reason that I was in and then I was out was because I literally Lewis texted me and said Hey. I've got this thing I was in. I was in like a happy holiday I am. I'm like yeah let's do it and actually watched. Some stock is not an exaggeration. Say I did not sleep at night. I just thought Earth have I done virus myself by going back to Louis and backing out and now how am I going to remove myself from but you know what the one of the big reasons I came a may be. The biggest reason I came was when you said this to me and I had such a visceral. Oh really like deep deep fear an interesting. This would be uncomfortable. I it terrified me and that was enough to keep me up at night and I thought how often in my life do I actually genuinely. I'm always telling people my audience. I'm always doing programs getting eh to go and do things the skin shelve them. How often in my life do I actually do? Something I can share of me really like I I I mean in my whole life because the easy answer. Is You know it used to do things that scared me. And then I built this successful business in this audience and I did all these uncomfortable. Do Things to get there. And now that I'm here are not taking a risk in a while. That's the easy answer but the truth is even the things I did to build. My business weren't and terrifying to me because I was good at them. Like stowing business going out and persuading people and giving speeches during those the things I knew I could be good at even when I wasn't good at them. I had some belief that if I do this I think I have an ability here so even those weren't truly scary. This was something I have. I hate the cult and I grew up. We would go skiing trips. Where my out of my family? How many my fingers nicknamed the extremities? This way my fingers were the first thing to send us back hurry because they were just nominee and so I thought this is. This is not something I can go and deal life. I'm going to be one of the best in the group and I rarely ever ever ever put myself in situations that are genuinely terrifying. It's always a fight terrifying. Oh this up still good at that shit. So so that was a big reason I came was to genuinely Ska- myself so I have credibility when I do a retreat this year in going to my audience and I know they're genuinely terrified of coming to my retreat because they're gonNA deal with real vulnerable stuff now. I have credibility standing there and telling them to confront in terms of why took doc from it is a self help cliche. That pig group is important and I think in a white cliches dangerous because you forget how true they convey day and to be around you guys. I realized how little pig I've genuinely fostered in the last decade of of my life I've been working in seeing maybe the same two friends spending time with family. Maybe a girlfriend. And that's it and I tell myself enough and he's a very ignorant perspective because I'm here and I see just amazing people and insights and people who've done things and people who just put me to shame in different ways in my life and I'm like how ignorant have I been in the last ten years. I haven't done more of increase in spend more time on peer group. So it's a cliche. I even talk about it being important when I do programs uh-huh in ten years so that's that's been huge the importance of physiology. And how you know. We always think we're going to think our way into a better emotion. You know. Let me logically process why this isn't a big deal why I should but actually just to change physiological state with something radical like this in the effect that that can have reminds me. Sometimes we just over think everything and we give feelings way too much importance instead of just shocking our system. Whether it's working out is off breathing this going GonNa Change. I'll stay automatically without having to think our way into it and lost lady. I speaking of hypocrisy in my own work and things. I need to better job of living up to this story that I tell my retreat every time that this program. This experience has made unbelievably viscerally real to me. There's a moment in the movie. Lawrence of Arabia where Lawrence is lying matches catches and letting the flame burn all the way down to his fingertips when it gets to his fingertips goes out monitor. The other officers looks at him and he called. He's like how does he do it. How does he do? How's he doing? So when Lawrence isn't looking he grabs the matches any light sworn up and lets it burn all the way down to his fingertips when it gets to fingertips he goes in abundant. And now he's angry so he looks at Lawrence angry now and he says Golden. What's the trick and Lawrence says to? The trick is not minding that it hurts and that to me in this week could not have been more of a representation of is that we spend so much of our lives trying to avoid pain but the trick is avoiding her is not minding that it hurts them. Thank you for making that. Not just a story to me but something. I'm very very real up. Cameron Golf the Dalton last year right Roku name. What's your the name what you're great before why you're here and Biggest lesson well. I'm definitely grateful soon. Be Part of this unless I'm still a little bit starstruck being surrounded by these people this year speaking you are the star of yourself and what is your name. Peter Camera Guy This actually just talking to a lot of people is my eyes path. Like I don't really feel comfortable doing that stuff. That's why chose for alive a bind Olympics. We all gotta learn and do things that are scary and this is one of the things I'm not. I'm grateful for spending these these days with you and climb a mountain tomorrow. Yeah you're going to be awesome because until proper you from the last few days from either what you've witnessed watching behind the camera but also you've experienced and and participated as well so both sides something from the last few days opening up being vulnerable as been thing the last from the last few years. I've definitely learned that from working. For the company win and vulnerabilities he also go all right. My Name's Dalton and definitely Griffel to be here. I actually just met Louis like a week before this trip. So this is new for me. But I'm super thankful Eh you guys I think for me like in high school I heard this quote that was like the world a better place than you entered it for some reason. I've always remembered that and this kind of been my goal in life so I think being twenty one years old like I don't really like a lot of kids my age. I think we're lazy entitled so so like if I can be that example that proves that wrong and shows them you know like just how powerful being vulnerable is and how nowhere nowhere hardworking get you. I would love to leave the world a better place when I entered it and I love the being example for my generation in spreading more love in peace and I don't know that's just my mission in. I do that through telling stories through video. I like the capture stories in document experiences like this and I get to learn a lot by being behind the camera and editing and watching these clips through one hundred times so yes I think my biggest takeaway as of now is to be more vulnerable the power community and to rest a little more. I over work myself a lot so this is giving me a lot of anxiety. The first few days like not working at all right I when I get back. I can't wait to like make this a monthly thing where I go with friends a rest and talk and be open so yeah thank you guys is an feel grateful to be in the presence of all you so awesome. What's what's open up for you for watching watching those were done? We have two more days essentially. But what's you've done a lot of this you've done a lot like Ena. I found two brothers looking up to me right. You still looking up a little too. You know I mean I'm a simple guy I'm humble. I want to change the world and now I'm going to change the world together with all of you. It's like almost boring because I do it as a mentor. I'm a man on a mission every day and when I have the The the ability to real night with bigger forces versus bigger powers under. I wanted to take it on and tell the story again if I go into the into the stories into the mission. And when he when he dropped his off it's always embracing offering because we end up in love and changing the world until it's done things like this needs to happen and they're being vulnerable vulnerable. Ah Getting older still doing share and I'm still doing this shit but way seeing you empowers me I thank you not only from the heart but let's make a lot more happening from here and it's happening already so sometimes I do not meet the need of words to tell that I love this this this and the world's needs change and we are able to give it so thank you thank you very much for kicking my ass S. two. That's what you do to always talk. Radio Shave me boundaries. Not Everybody is beautiful. Thanks brothers already you WanNa you wanNA share anything else or anything else. I I think we should talk about or open discussion anything I think one of the I think a lot of people will look Wim Hof and they'll look at the cold and and that's an important part. It's an important part to be able to push yourself past your fears and recognize that something. That's good for you. You may be afraid of but if you push past that thing it's going to be good for you and beneficial and a lot of focus gets put on that but I think what's really we're seeing here in the breath work is something else that's really a special and powerful and that's the release of emotions that have been stored and things that have come up. You know I do. Breath work a lot the second round here today. I was so happy that I started crying because I recognize how often my life I'm not that happy you know right a and that came up from the breath and and why was. Why was Mike Crying? He doesn't really know but there was something there to be released. Why did Jesse see his his face interposed? With his child's face is younger facing a wire. These things happening. There's things that are beyond just the cold and just the simplicity. Listen of pushing yourself passer limits. There's a deep spiritual foundation here. There's some kind of magic that's happening within the within the consciousness justness itself and he's giving access to that through all the means and these means are free. You know free cold free breath and like free medicine. Addison and I think that's just beautiful and I just hope that as everybody shares this message you share not only the courage to do the things that are hard because that's kind of easy for a lot of men to do the things that are hard. We've all done things that are hard but also do the things internally that release and open up those those spots like here in Mitch cry yesterday and express that he was a proud of himself like pm and that's amazing like every single person when they do that like mark today man like that's that's the Shit bobble they. I know. You've run some long distances. I I'm not that impressed to be honest but I'm super impressed with you for what you just said they're like I admire you for that. I absolutely the admire you for that. And the other stuff's Rad too. Don't get me wrong like that's but that's the that's like the special thing I think so. It's just not that looking at that the thing that might be the dazzling accomplishment but knowing like internally the diamonds always talking about the diamonds whereas the diamonds diamonds in the heart in the heart. How much can you show of the diamond in your heart? I how bright can you let that thing go. And if you have anything obstructing any kind of mystery any deception any delusion any projection. Actually you're going to be cloudy diamonds. Polish that thing and let is shine for the world so bright that it's lighthouse for everybody to see which Aki the guy they see. They know they know that the heart is there in the heart is always going to be their unborn. And it's undying it's untarnished. It's unbreakable breakable. And we all have it. Nobody's special we all have it and that's what we're here to remind Komo. Arnie final thoughts from anyone or anything else that opened up that they didn't get the yeah right because he's too sir. Aubrey finished on actually in terms of known special is actually interesting thing because nobody special but there are some people who take up the mantle to come into a room and change the energy of that room and anyone could do that anyone could come in and change the energy of entire dynamic if they chose tubes. That's what leadership is right. What's really interesting about you is? There is as I knew how freight everyone is. You walk into a room and everyone saw. Cypher will be the things you do this week. The terrifying and I've watched is fun one of the things that I said. Various people said this week has been the most fun. Jesse you said it has been into watch all these grown powerful men terrified out their minds at different times and to see that it's been coal a uh when you walk into a room and your energy so of announces you as you walk into a room and you know when you're in that room and that I think it is really powerful and I think it's something we we should all type back to you and that you know whether we got back to you. You know our families stave or our businesses or our audience off our colleagues or else stuff knowing that we we are each individually these very important centers of energy and so on are that by who think much about ourselves and what I'm afraid right over it and going through one dealing with and it takes the focus off of. How am I changing the energy of the room that I walk into a mall might bring into that room in your leadership? When is what makes this experience assault? That's it the salt is what you're going to bring in every room. You're going to go get it and that's GonNa make all the difference. Nice anyone else want to share in their love of the family is the last bit are there. I did the Kilimanjaro. Is You know the twenty. Six people with cancer grows disease all all kinds of things. We did not a three with it. In two days more than successful we did not hear any physiologist doctors who have if I have the decency at least two as how did you do it. How did you do it because we are doctors? Investigators in life wanted to improve healing and math fit. And all no question no question so we did it. And I went to sitting getty soon after the Machado very successfully done or was already in the bucket but I wanted to see the biggest elephant in the world which which is seven point eight tonnes is like sixteen a sixteen thousand pound. Is that something like Armie more and he is able to go with the Masai. The Masai they are able to approach the animal able to the lions without fear religion of a after respect for Mother Nature and they know how to approach delight because they have no fear you are divine. I go with my friends. We go together and they let me approached the biggest elephant in the world. and Ah with this ultrasounds going on there is present. It is a lot being is alive. Half Day you'll get close donor. What's happening you get these waves over the altar? Sonic it gets into a brain waves. You all buddy you you feel it everywhere I get close to his lacks even bigger than the bill. The learn covers all this Bali. It's a gut feeling man. God is over there and we're slowly but surely I get to back and lift. Stale has built a black hole. It's a vortex I mean. They can sh- waller wally. You controlling fully if you approach it too much. I was struck by odds completely. Flabbergasted wlob occurs that now my Yogi control came in and kept poison into control within myself slowly but surely holy away from him from that massive big being looks don't Afrikaner came back in their mushy and reception reception on the telephone. Eight oh eight. We did the Kilimanjaro. So successful in two days three days old old transformed and I saw the biggest one that I love in the world is no you you still the biggest mother. I guess we appreciate. We appreciate you where or more so grateful for taking the time to be done exactly so they so much so grateful you guys are all here and we gotta jump in the hot tub now right my friend. I hope you enjoy this special. And unique episode again the Wim Hof Expense we dove in deep on mindset training training power breathing brotherhood talking about the ice experience. If you haven't downloaded williams APP just download it for free on the apple store type in Wim Hof Experience Wim Hof method in. Come up and he'll guide you. I love listening to the APP to do it myself in the mornings or whenever I just feel like I need get a break. I'll go through it. Do breathing exercises and man. It just brings me so much energy on life and peace at the same time again. You have the power you're to change people's lives and this is a powerful resource with some incredible men opening up sharing and I would love you to share this with one friend shares with one person. You never know whose life you can change and save and you have that capability you have the power so text a couple of friends Who might be interested shared on instagram? Tag Me at Lewis House tag of iceman Wim Hof tax these other guys that you liked hearing from and let let me know what you think again. This is your first time at the school greatness. Thank you for being here. We've got six thousand five-star reviews. I'd love you to add another one and share your thoughts and feedback back on what you enjoy the most from the school greatness podcast experience. We've got some big plans coming up so stay subscribed keep listening. Because I don't don't want you to miss out on what we have coming up. View specifically designed for view again. I love Wim Hof quotes. He says your fitness is one hundred percent mental. Your body won't go where your mind doesn't push it and he also said we are so successful at being comfortable. That Comfort has become the enemy of our success. Unless you're willing to experience new things you'll never eclipse your full potential. I hope you know that your loved that your special that you have an incredible okay. If with India in the world is waiting for you to share that gift with us you have so much talent to get. You have so much that you can contribute and I want you to start contributing more today in any way that that looks like the I love you so very much. I appreciate you and you know what Tom it is. It's time to go out there and do so great.

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Breaking The Ice With The Wim Hof Breathing Method - Wim Hof

The Mindvalley Podcast with Vishen Lakhiani

49:37 min | 5 months ago

Breaking The Ice With The Wim Hof Breathing Method - Wim Hof

"This podcast is brought to you. Mind body if you're new to mind valley or if you are a big mind body fan check out. Mine valley all access. My molly provides the world's best human transformation programs in everything from mind to body to seoul to spirit to entrepreneurship and work productivity. Everything is unlocked but just two dollars a day. Get access to the world's most transformative education visit mine dali dot com forward slash now that's minded valley dot com forward slash and o w that there is war. There is misery that pressure that there is cruelty. That is abuse. People think that that is normal. I think it is sick and aren't going to do something about it. I m kiani founder of mine valley the school for human transformation. You're listening to the minor league. Podcast where we'll be bring you. The greatest teachers and thought leaders on the planet discussed the world's most powerful ideas and personal growth for mind body. spirit. I am so excited to be in front of win. Pop again win holes multiple guinness world records or mind over body. Feats that defy explanation so in march two thousand. He set the guinness world record for swimming. The fergus under is he swam almost sixty meters under ice in two thousand seven. He set the world record for fastest half-marathon bath foot on ice to our sixty minutes. Imagine running a marathon barefoot in winter on ice he set world records for longest time indirect full body contact with ice a total of sixteen times and in two thousand seven also climbed to an altitude of seven thousand two hundred meters on mount everest wearing nothing but shorts and shoes so in short wim hof is superhuman a and b win. Hawk is frigging crazy but he is such an amazing soul. Incredible incredible guy. I've gotten to know win over the eurest. His son's then with me a couple of years back. We is like that really cool uncle that everyone in the family really really really adores so when welcome to mind valley thanks for the introduction yet i am bianco i am bianco. Who takes care of you get his wayne sober. Everybody looks around over viewing what is happening. That's me we doing decides. We are doing ground breaking signs all the time all the time. We are showing where there is no speculation about that. We are built to do so much more than the way we are schooled. And that's why vision. We made it a new school gave people teachings of live wherein they meet a greater potential within themselves not in works in feeling in between. That's who we are and so when before we stopped because you are such a breaking ball of energy as soon as we stop you're going to blow people away and we're going to be doing an exciting experiment with you. Guys wind it this experiment with me. It's simple it's how understanding your breath can improve your performance so he made me do pushups and then he made me do something with my breath and i broke my push up record instantly but i would never have guessed that this was even possible where we're going to be doing some experiments with you guys. So i hope you guys in a scenario where you can do push ups with us now. If you can't don't worry it's really short that you're going to hear amazing stuff from other people but first wim spoke at several mine valley events my university and he spoke at an event in jamaica on altered states we filled an entire hot tub with ice and we had three hundred people do an ice immersion and it was incredible. But what i appreciate about women and we want to share a personal story of you before we go on what appreciate about women is despite being a real life superhuman a man with abilities that signs cannot explain witnessed constantly in hop. When we were doing a fest in jamaica translational festival on my mind valley. We have this particular event where we have this reggae band in the spiel and like hundreds of attendees and the idea was that people were going to dance but it started raining and the field got really muddy. We did anticipate the month and people started standing by the side. Not event managers. Were kind of panicking. The night was really gonna suck and then win jumps in the month. He starts like covering himself with mud. His entire body is in mud. He starts dancing in the mud and everyone else who were in beautiful outfits looking all beautiful. Go wow that mud looks really awesome and more and more and more people jumping in the mud and he changed the dynamic of the entire room now later two days later at eight s i was hosting private. vip dinner for the celebrities and other speakers. Who were there for my family and we were in this beautiful beautiful restaurant. Everyone is eating kind of formal people. Have in jackets and whimsy. My children hate an e cadence sexually on his computer down there. I'm going to ask him to come up and everyone else signals the kids. They might greet the kids but then they go back to adult conversation. Wind doesn't leave the kids alone. He starts conversing with hayden. Who my belief was maybe seven years at that time. Next thing you know. Women's on the floor teaching hate and how to do but he's so he gets an iron but all the children of the room are on the floor in the restaurant with wim doing but exercises and that's so touched my heart and it made my kids such a big fan of wimp lawf- every child. That room became a wim hof van. That was really really really special. It's red meat. The person who just doesn't give a fuck about societal convention who just jumps into life and then sets an example for everyone else. So thank you for stepping into swim. Thanks vision and that was a night vision you just gave it and i speech nice speech and you know what since then did child. It needs to come back into people. The spunk to hannity not having fair but the urge to explore the world inhibited. We have to get it back and you know what we now are doing. The research with the top research on their dna in the world so we are going to show it devotees not only nice a lovable and mellow yellow. And all no we are changing the world we are going to show the new paradigm and all based insides. This is the school of life. We go by instinct. We will not be blocked of frozen by deregulations of whatever they do this system. That's why you have come along and you make it mind valley beautiful dancing colors expression love sharing extravagance and more and more with a deep undercurrent of seriousness. That is live all about so you go from that. I go i go from this angle. We both need in the deep. We have no fair. We have loved powerful law first question for you in the hour that we have how you discover these abilities within. How did you discover this is seeker. Becomes a finder. The seeker becomes the find a. It's like a wisp preventing the caterpillar becoming a butterfly. It is natural for us to bloom to flower in our lives. Fire were not only physically and survival and fit in society. We have a physical body magnetic bari astro body spiritual emotional mental body near verdict buddies. And they all need to bloom. They all need neurological connection inside and needs to develop. That is the school of life. And you don't that school on until you die until you die neurologically. It keeps going. That is what it makes exciting like a tree. Every spring the our new branches that our brain it always should grow that is expanding consciousness. So how did i begin. I became a seeker in the beginning. I asked myself. I was looking around in the world war. People think it is normal that there is war that there is misery that brushing that is cruelty that is abuse people think that that is normal. I think it is sick. And i ain't going to do something about it. So the seeker indiana with a lot of patients. This is exercising the mind patients through the belief. Now it's manifesting and i'm reaching scientists scientific world and i'm changing fundamental early signs as it is a what we as humans are able to do within our lives. So that's what i'm doing way. I came as a seeker. I'm a finder now. And i want to share their idea. I love that win. By the way guys is being studied by scientists all around the world. How many universities at this point eight eight universities that's amazing eight universities studying him and one of the most curious things that they're studying is how poofy the correct getting wrong. But they can put cold water your skin and you're able to retain temperature of your skin which is technically not supposed to be scientifically possible. But you do it just by the power of the mind and your call their people to do it exactly. I can train anybody to find a connection. Neurological connection within a couple of days to enter into the deepest part of our brain and this was thought of impossible. Bet there always needs to be a first person to show it is like the paradigm when somebody for the first time iran. The hundred meters within ten seconds a year after ten fifteen people could do the same run faster than ten seconds hundred meters. That's in their mind. So i showed in science and showed how to tap into the deepest part of the bridge. It was thought of impossible. And now you will see that all over the world people will learn about these findings these teachings and then they come to know. Oh if he is able to do it. He's a human. I'm human and i'm also able to do it. Then they begin to neurologically awaken to the fact of the power of into debt. The way i showed it it is about to cold so cold. Water comes to my skin. And i use only my thoughts the power of intention at this part of the power of the might sort of impossible and then i showed it. I showed it that these profess. Oh the brain scans in debris scouts they suddenly so but this is not possible and then they do. It wants to is three times eight times and then they had roof. They had proved that me a me as a person was able to go where nobody had gone before. And then they said wim has found the secret of placebo the healing power within us. It's no longer something. Abstract it is within us and through the power of our mind. We are able to connect and now everybody is able to do that. I only showed as a human. This seeker became the finder giving datta in brain. Scans and blood proof how to enter into the deepest of our brave. And if you are able to enter into the deepest brain consciously where else can you not go. Ask yourself we are now at the threshold of entering into the power of the mind not sixteen percent but hundred and we show disc embrace cats in germany in hanover. we showed consciously through these breathing techniques. Very simple these breeding techniques to consciously activates hundred percent neural activity in the brain then suddenly in the brain to change the neural activity. Hundred percent blood flow goes everywhere biochemistry. Changes 'cause you are the alchemist and then you are able to enter southerly to expand your consciousness. you'll perception your neurology is there. And now it's there for everybody to make his or her choice. Do you want to enter into yourself. Congress do you want to enter and explored hundred percent of your own brain activity. This seat of their mind. It is there and we are showing disk and because it doesn't make too much money if people become independent and free within themselves. They find this unlimited power of the mind. I wanted to read out. So one of your students is here my tito. Hi mary. I've seen you on several calls. So my re said i did a retreat in the summer. Wim hof instructor during the retreat. We got to do an ice bat. And i was an ice cold water nonstop for six minutes. I couldn't believe i could do it until i did. My mind was blown. And i felt i unlocked thousands of levels of new possibilities in my life. So if you have a chance somewhere go try out with half matter do it. It will change your life. So i just wanted to read it out. Thank you my reaper. Sharing that by the way guys wins. New book is out. It's called the wim hof method. It is the number one. New release on amazon in alternative therapies. Please go by the book. In fact win here is giving us his time. We want to show our respect. I love we wanna support win win. Just told me he really wants this book to hit the new york times so i already committed to sending out one point five million emails to help get the would out on this book and i want to ask you guys who are listening or go to amazon dot com type in wim hof. The book is called a wind of net. That go and buy it on amazon dot com. It is an amazing book. I cannot wait to buy it and this just came out right. Yes i in. England is already translated in six languages like spanish portuguese french german english and our in america next week even my own language dutch the tenth of november gets out but the twentieth ova ctober. It is launched in america. Yes i mean. The story is not only great next year. They make a hollywood about me. What yes yes. I know joseph fines. Joseph is amazing is applying. How is doing it all. Yes yes yes yes. What is he looks so familiar okay. Six pair in love. Yes it is all about to be and to be amazing. Joseph from shakespeare in love is playing. Wim hof he was also in elizabeth. What an incredible accomplishment. You must be so proud. yes i mean. The best marketing tool is highly word from hollywood's to home leeward. Abby that needs to be spread all over the world it is just the good thing to do. That's amazing whim. So congratulations on that one. That is if you've enjoyed this. Podcast consider joining mind valley all access. Now you can sign up to mind body all access and unlock every mind valley program instantly get access to transformation from all of the world's best minds and everything from parenting biohacking to mind body spirit entrepreneurship. What productivity learn from the likes of ben greenfield. Jim quick shefali sabari steven kotler and more all available to you but less than two dollars a day simply visit mind. Body dot com forward slash. Now that's mine dot com forward slash. An o. W and you'll be surprised to see that mine belly. All access now comes with advanced technologies to completely transform your learning your networks and your human connections including on new private social network for students connections by mind body and are altered state inducement app on banner which complements our regular training with altered state methodologies to transform you at a subconscious level. Check it all out on mine. Daily dot com forward slash n. o. w. mine daily dot com forward slash. Now audible win. I wanna ask you a question all of the stuff that you're doing when you activate the placebo effect. What is that process. Is it breathing meditation. Are you repeating a mantra to yourself. Give us an idea of what is going on. There is the uninhabited flow. Coming from yourself into the power of your intention. That sounds like big. This is the way it works. The morning that i had to go to university it to show in the brain. Scans a complete different mony tori on a reactions on them exposing me with ice water on my skin and that was often seventy four persons. They all showed that skin temperature was drastically going down. That was one thing and then they looked inside the brain. They sold them only being activated in the conscious brain because of the stress that is the pre frontal cortex and the in salah was very low in activity so much activity from the conscious brain and from the insulator relaxed day denouncing the deep meditation part was very cold. That is what they saw and then i came. I came their duty university. But only after asking myself. That boring in a big building. Where i was looking over frosty detroit. In the winter. I was asking myself today. I have to show what is man is capable off and to make the difference different than all these seventy four arthur test subjects. What is like considered normal is that we called ams skin temperature goes down because you cannot do anything in the brain scan. Only thinking that's only thing you can do actively in a brain scan. The rest is motion list. Your body cannot do muscle tractions or deep breathing. It's all not possible because then you get blurred monitory so i was thinking they're in that morning blood. Do i have to do day. Expects me after one and a half year europe of their time investing into this big study me to show something completely different. And then i ask myself what do i have to do. And then it in doubt me when he was on mount everest and i lost myself into wideout in my shorts at twenty thousand feet and i was walking over there. I know paranoia. When i lost the way under the is brad wall and i could not find to haul. I had no agony of age. There was no drowning. No panicking going on every time when i went into my challenges is before i go into a judge appease my mind by the power of my intention my intention fields. What is going to happen. Then the body gets ready and when dan ghosts to happen. It's done it's ready and it goes with a feeling intentional gut feeling and right there. I got those images of all these challenge. Just the way i always was. And that's an doubt and directly. I knew but i'm going to make the change. I don't know how it's going to happen because my subconscious knows what is gold to happen. Much better than me consciously. Because i have to do and show something that has never been shown and i had this book for the rest was tranquil. Nice whistling look at that were look and then they brought me into the brain scan hours later. I was in sight. I never felt the cold. And what's no call because me by the power of my intention my body knew exactly how to deal with the stressor when i want to ask you a question. So for those of us listening who have an illness. Okay who have something that we are trying to fix. Maybe it is eyesight. Maybe we have a rational skin. Maybe we are having a cold or a flu. Something simple hell would you accept. How would you heal it. yes in two thousand fourteen. We already showed within a comparative study. People being injected with an e. coli bacteria which normally makes people very very sick and brains. The inflammation activates. The inflammation really high. It's ultra the big problem with covert nine thousand nine. It's inflammation they did not know that humans were able to bring the inflammation down. That was the signs up to them. And then i show through these breathing techniques that all the people. I thought this is after sixteen thousand people who became sake with the same injection of bacteria e coli area twelve. I trained hundred percent not sick. Also injected with the bacteria hundred percent score hundred and that changed medical books. Fundamentally showing that we as humans able consciously to down inflammation and inflammation actually is the cause and effect of every disease. This something we can try something we can try today. Oh yes. I did this with a person who could not do one who shot. Why not because. He was suffering from sippy at and i told the guy. Listen you follow this breathing. We do this thirty times in front of fifty people. I got him out. He said no spadeful. I cannot this is too painful. I cannot do this and i sat. You are going to do pushups forty times and even without breathing and daddy said are you crazy. Yeah i'm crazy about live. Emma wife but i got the science to back this up how to influence the performance. How to bring down inflammation like in half a minute in our minutes. We are able to bring down inflammation and about say infractions. Anywhere in the body. You are able if you're prep your body with this breathing. Dan inhaling older bring the cerebrospinal fluid to your hat. Squeeze it and bring it to you. I bring you to addie placing your body and bring down the infraction. Yes in fifty seconds. I want to invite everybody to push ups on the inhale on the nfl stop. Let me explain the context of this. Okay so. I interviewed him in barcelona in twenty seventeen three years ago and back then. I did pushups every morning. So i knew what i could do. What was my standard number of push ups. I think i could do like thirty thirty. Two so wimsatt. I'm gonna show you how to beat that record right now and he said and you're going to beat it without reading. I'm like what no breathing at all. Not even i do push ups. I'm breathing really heavily. Because my understanding is your body needs the oxygen to create energy to do the push ups women no breathing. He made me hold my breath. And i broke my push up record. I hit thirty eight. it was mind blowing. The entire episode is recorded. Those all access you can see it. It's in mind body mentoring. The entire evidence is there for you now. This is what we're going to do with you all of you. Hopefully you know your push record win. This gonna make you do pushups without breathing. Are you guys ready wim. Let's learn this technique. Let's do it right now. I'm getting ready. Greg good area. Everybody is ready in the mind. You know just be here with the breath we gonna inhale and let it go him that it in here know minding now just follow the breath. Athletic go out cannot no mandate just a brass force in letter to live for saying that we are alkali. Zing you've got to show it to vision camera do this. We are stronger than the last time because our mind more here do anything any form of exercise. Yes letting go letting go taking angle pouilly letting go you become light headed. Keep going tang lane anything. That feels different. Make it stronger bleed into ed's no worries we are changing the biochemistry right now. It's happening food leading go who des bingo food leading food leading landing go. Just keep on going. Oh my day what you gotta do followed by instruct. You gotta get your bad b.'s advice. You're gonna gets they're biased. That's what we do make. Tj thrilled that james nutty go letting go bingo pooley in then go food. Ingo saturday ball. It's gotta go spoon. Legal five more all go no way just learning go three people who who go one more fully phoolan letting go now comes the last one who could go go to shop. Axis is hold. You hold your black after the adl go go no doug thank go go go no like the machine. The brothers apolo. You change the biochemistry. You go notating. Look at the power of your bra. James cabinetry alkalinity. That is the condition to perform berry goods world our world our world out. I got addie body the by this man. you will break the best of your own normal physical performance. How many did you do very to right up. This how did you do. I did. Twenty eight average. I haven't been doing push ups for a while. Some average went down. It's really good. Given what i could do before. Yes yes. I think this is the question and guys. Did she do more than you do. Normally when i have a question the barrier i hit was all of a sudden. I felt like a really needed to breed. What do you do when that comes on. Do you just continue holding your breath. No you can go interbreeding dan and then also will show. You will see that you are able to do say thirty more. Got it okay. So i stopped at twenty eight not because my body was tied. But because i needed to take brett's you could have done fifty six or sixty ic- will you know why because we alkalis d- the buddy we. Alkalis the butter dealer vaticght system. Wim does business to show you just how we go when we fully focused on my. If you can join this podcast consider joining mind valley or access. Now you can sign up to mind valley all access and unlock every mind valley program instantly get access to transformation from all of the world's best minds and everything from parenting to biohacking. Mind body spirit entrepreneurship work. Productivity learn from the likes of ben greenfield. Jim quick shefali sabari steven kotler and more all available to you but less than two dollars a day simply visit minority dot com forward slash. Now that's mine. Valley dot com forward slash n. o. w. and you'll be surprised to see that mine belly. All access now comes with advanced technologies to completely transform your learning your networks and your human connections including on new private social network for students connections by mind body and are altered state inducement app on banner which complements our regular training with altered state methodologies to transform you at a subconscious level. Check it all out on mine. Daily dot com forward slash n. o. w. mind dot com forward slash. Now i'm how can we apply this 'cause you just blew it all away. I mean without teaching us. How the heal. You just showed us how we can influence a body in dramatic ways. The next up is this first of all. I have to say if you feel sick. If you feel fever coming up a flu coming up inflammation coming up in any way. If you do this exercise it will drop the inflammation. So it's double you do an performance and you bring down the inflammation that is what why because we breath so deeply we chase the biochemistry so deeply. We get into lymphatic. System weakens the lymphatic system and in the lymphatic system when it is cleaner than the lymph flow sides the white cells that what battles inflammation is activated book. That is one where you want to learn to write the bicycle than in the beginning. You need all the attention to get the balance on the bicycle to keep your feet on the battles to keep the stay on straight and all and assert the moment. It is an extension of europe buddy. In the beginning i say do the breathing. Do the colt. Then at a certain moment it becomes an extension and then it's like the bike rider. You want to go from a to b. You don't think about the bike anymore. You are enjoying the right also in your iron. But no she says no no. You don't wanna do that anyway. My children are big fans. Good good i do push ups sometime. Are you doing push ups haven. He said no can't do that from six years of all the kids love it. They love it. We're doing this breath and not only does it allow to performance but it is reducing inflammation. Now engine that we have to have. If there's a particular part of our body that we wanna he'll you mentioned earlier intention. What's going on there. How do we apply intention to heal. Yes now if you go and do this breathing then you change the biochemistry in your brain. The neural activity is gonna increase and suddenly the electricity or the neurotransmitters which is our will our will re presents. Neurotransmitters is able to go in anyplace of our buddy that it's up to our intention to do healing to direct the body through the electricity. The nervous system potentials neural transmitters. Our will but before that happens we need to increase the alkalinity the blood flow in our brain and this is what we do with the breathing technique which is so simple so anybody who fields inflammation dust is breathing. You take him fully in hold and squeeze in the brain so more blood flow is there with the intention and you feel relief. And i've showing this in brain. Scans how to tap into the opioids and into the notes. So when you feel paid when you feel miserable you are able to tap into the deepest part of your own brain and my knowledge is now proven by signs now up to you is if you have pain a don't feel you do debris get you intention. Go and you heal yourself you regulate your mood. You'll bring down the inflammation you bring down the pain because the pain is a sick. No a painting signal is a message if something is going on in your body and then you have to connect and connecting from your will to brain is by changing biochemistry deep breathing. Which is the life force which changes to alchemy inside to brain and suddenly daybreak into connec and paid by strong and then the healing is able to start doing a great word. You will feel much more confident. If you do this you will feel independence. You will become the master of your mind. The captain of yo so we walked it simple and i do science old time. Otherwise this would be hippie bullshit but it is not it is not if people got injected in groups and i only trained him a couple of days then suddenly they were able to change. What we thought was possible within medical signs it's proven and published in the best papers of the world. The only thing is it does not make money. that's why it's not everywhere When i'm seeing some questions so jenny is asking you inhaled through the nose or the mouth. That matter not really does not matter. They asked me more times. I always make this joke stupid joke. Of course. I say it doesn't matter if you use the left or the right nostril the mouth or the bali or the chest the upper ways just get it in use eddie whole you've got i can even breathe through my is really. I guess it's yoga. You can't breathe through your ask but you don't like it because what comes out. So through your eyes. Two days ago. I had a person who had a problem with a real. Severe brain tumor. You came out of england and he asked me if i could be with him to deepen because in january day told him maybe a you have a couple of weeks to live. We can't do anything for you anymore. And he felt no. I'm not going to quit. I'm going to begin and he stumbled upon. This method began doing this. And this is now eight months ago or nine months ago almost and is visiting me and we went twenty seconds into ice water with the hat which has an absolute function to raise the vagus nerve and he did well. He felt great. Only the tumor was still there but we did to breathing together. And then i told him on the inhale now squeezed to your hat brings cerebrospinal fluid to add extra and then focus on your i. The tumor is behind. Is i and focused on his eye. And then the breath the cerebrospinal fluid went past the two more to his eye and he felt like something was relieved disconnected inside and that was incredible was just two days ago it came and of course i will always try to help where all the sign says. It is not possible it's incurable irreparable. You are going to die. I say we are capable of doing so much more. Only we forgot about it. We are disconnected of that potential. Win so people are asking. How many brett's do we take. How long do we do it. The phobe apply the intention to heal you. Lie on the couch. You are in bed and you go into the breathing. Don't mind about nothing else. Know you know your ailment. 'cause you can feel it stick with that feeling. Don't mind about it. Stick with their feeling and then stick with the breathing. The breathing is a feeling itself and they will be able to connect each other because they are connected only now with the breathing. We will consciously alter the neurology insides. Our buddy we will alter activate the right hormones through rudy power of our intention and suddenly the magic happens. Yes this is the way we are naturally built to be able to heal ourselves from the insight and this was all are no one until disguised comes and it gets to science and he shows it as drop out of school and teaching the professors and doctors in the whole wide world. And i will change fundamentally signs and it's all into book at t tre but turn every thing aside and do the breathing and believing because the believing issue intention and that is power that is able to steer anything that is necessary to be done in your body to relieve you from pain to go inside. This is gold indira -ception it is something thought off. Top down. regulation was not possible in science. I've shown this and now i'm sharing this. Many people are super interested in this. And i want you to know this a free class you can take on winds website. So win has many incredible online programs. 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23.13 MU Podcast Scott Carney

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What is a playmate so plague maiden is essentially a figure or entity that will appear Freia to a plague breaking out in some Traditional Cultures Sofa? Go back into the Byzantine Empire back into ancient Egypt even with the plague itself with the black death they'll reports and obviously they're very anecdotal in folkloric but there are reports of these strange entities often. Sauna Fatah's women that will appear and somehow grant immunity to some but then what that entire amount you mean like Corona Corona Sean character dressed in red represent the corona Var. Yes it's an actual persona fixation of the virus. All of the plague that is wiping through an area of us. That's what she is. She's technically plug man it was. She is yeah. I hadn't thought of it that way. But she really is but the strange thing about these cases is that often She's actually physically seen. It's not something that just depends on four Chan and just ends up being images she's actually physically saying by the townsfolk but she also appears in people's dreams as well so we're GONNA get into some of that towards the end of the show But I'm really looking forward to talking to Scott about his new book. Come out the way absolutely great to have Scott Connie back on the show. The last time he was on was with the brilliant. What doesn't kill us which went onto become a New York Times bestseller? That was the enthralling story of Scott spending time with Wim. Hof the Ice Matt and letting all the ice man's techniques and applying them to different Aspects of life and really showing that you can control certain pots of your biology and your immune system that previously. We thought it was impossible to control. Maybe we thought it was all and so the new on these Called Wedges is kind of shoot off from what doesn't kill us where Scott's come up with based on the principles from Wim Hof he's come up with this concept called the wedge where. Alao him to explain it in more detail. But essentially what you're doing is inserting some control and setting some choice inbetween stimulus from the environment and your automatic reaction reactions and responses from his body. I really like the idea. Because it's getting agency and choice back into something again like we always thought was just something automatic. We didn't have a choice So really looking forward to going into this. The website for Scott of course is Scott. Connie Dot com the book the Wedge Easing Out Until the thirteenth. Oh isn't it now you can go to Amazon or wherever you get good books on older as well Do A preorder. We highly recommend a fantastic interview. Coming up Scott's always fun to talk to and as with these other books full of insane adventures as well including trips to the Peruvian Amazon. And we all know those stories end up doughy but we enjoy the interview with Scott on the new book the witch shows for the third time is one of my favorite authors Scott. Connie he's got a new book out. It's called the wedge. Thanks coming back Scott. It's great to be back and I'm pretty sure you owe me like a merit badge like some sort of like fancy embroidered badge. Wears like Mysterious Universe Lifer. Oh as soon as as long as you keep writing books writing anything you'll have to keep coming back on the show. You basically married to us. Now there's no escape Ear in it for Life I love it. I love it but we love this new on. I mean this is a follow on in a from your previous book. What doesn't kill US way? You would detailing your I guess explorations into the Wim. Hof Method and and some incredible wise to to control the body. So let's start with the obvious question. What is the wedge? How did this flow on from the previous book? What exactly is it. So the concept of the wedge is a way to put space between stimulus and response between the like whatever is a stressor and how your body responds to that and the way this all started for me was back in two thousand eleven? I was hanging out with this guy named Wim. Hof is called ICEMAN who known for like sitting on glaciers in his bathing suit. And and you know having doing all these crazy. Cold weather feats He also controls immune system with his mind like these things. That sort of sound superhuman and I had gotten this commission to debunk him From Playboy magazine and I went out there and instead of debunking him the long story short I ended up doing the same stuff he did in the matter of like a week. I learned that I could sit on snowbanks and melt the snow around with my body. He I climbed up big mountains in my underwear and this is like a nine year journey from I. Climb up. Mount Kilimanjaro in basically my underwear. And it's like negative thirty degrees outside and as I get to the top of this mountain with these I mean it's it's cold. It sucks actually. It's not comfortable to be up there. But as as I get up there I I have the what is the cheesiest line that has ever entered into my head which is which is. I am not on the mountain. I I am the mountain a very very cheesy right. But but but but the sense of like of like oneness is that I didn't get there fighting the environment. I was sort of like working with this. The this very very cold stimulus. I mean negative thirty. It's the same in Fahrenheit and Celsius. It's it's really cold and and I'm able to survive and no real damage like I feel like crap at the end of the day but but I'm I'm alive at the end of this hike and and as I get down from it I'm I realized that you know I've been studying. The tenants of the Wim Hof method which are basically prolonged cold exposure and then controlling how your body responds in the cold. So you're normal. Reaction is to tense up clench every muscle in your body. The heat yourself with that tensing the motion. That's like your fight or flight responses and what the Wim. Hof Method says is the opposite and it really was a kind of death defying climb. I mean we should point out not only what you not wearing any clothes but Oklahoma breaks memory. The army informed you guys. It would probably take five days. You know it'd be incredibly difficult. You'd have oxygen issues and and how quickly did you do it again? It was less than two days right eight hours. Yeah it was. It was really fast. I mean it wasn't the world record but it was probably a record for people who had no acclimatization Jesuit And yet several people told us. We're GONNA die like the Dutch mountaineering. Association said we were going to die. Army predicted a if not death. Like having a Medevac off the mountain End Yet we made it like it was really really cool and what I was trying to figure out. You know as I'm going down the mountain look all of this. The basic protocols in the Wim Hof Method for a hell of a long time and now I wanted to know where else I could go. How else do I expand the abilities out past? I'm cold exposure in his breath work protocols where can I find that fundamental unifying Bodily and mental experience that I can apply to absolutely everything? And that's where the wedge comes in. I it's my continuing exploration into other stimuli. Like what happens. What if I try the same things in heat? What if if I try to conquer fear when if I have crazy psychedelic experiences and try to bring something out of that always by by trying to find that space between stimulus and response now Scott? You just said that when you climbed Mount Kilimanjaro that even though you are able to endure it it wasn't comfortable and this is something that starts off in the beginning of your book suggesting that technology in itself has made human beings to comfortable. How does this relate to the wedge issue we have with technology making human beings to comfortable and unable to withstand hostile environments? Well if you think back to our ancestors and you go back three hundred thousand years ago and you have sapiens wandering through the African plains They have the same exact physiology as they are the same species a few teleported back to that time period you could breed with them and you produce viable offspring. They are us and yet. There are huge differences between our capabilities. Like you would never want to do a foot race against one of those guys. They would wrestle to the ground and tear you to pieces and the reason is they always had harsh physical experiences that they were up against. You know they were there. Were scavenging for food experiencing scarcity experiencing temperature variations fighting off wild animals like and they had every stress that they encountered there was like a physical response to it. You know you see that lion you go grab your spirit and your adrenaline and your cortisol or like pumping through your veins trying to give you energy fast forward to like the modern people like you and me and everyone to this podcast and we are coddled from birth by technology. Like oh it's is it a little chilly. Is it just a nice? I know you're Celsius. But I'm in Fahrenheit. So you know is it. Is it only sixty eight degrees? Oh sorry while you can just press a button. And then you have this perfectly attenuated response and we. We rely so much on technology That we are stunting. Our biological abilities and the journey of the wedge is to try to give ourselves the stresses that create the sensations in our bodies that allow us to do things that we didn't know we could do. But we're like a lost evolutionary powers. But it's affecting psychology as well as you pointed out because those stresses that we had in the past when cortisol levels will go through the roof that would be a body responding to a threatening situation today in modern times those cortisol levels still go through the roof responding to perceived threats but those threats no longer day. How does that affect people in tonight? Because I mean especially talking about what's happening with you know holding and people you know terrified during this code outbreak you see people lacking a resilience to this seems like society will actually crumble not from the virus but more from the way that people respond to think this has a lot to do with us now being unable to be comfortable in hostile environments absolutely. And it's not really about the hostile environment right. It's not that if we all just hung out in on. Glaciers will be fine. The fact is that we have these stimulus. Is that come in? So you're surfing on the Internet and some politicians something you don't like and and you get really angry. You try to solve the politician problem by posting more on the Internet right and unlike but what your body wants to do is fight off that politician with spear which technically isn't legal anymore. But you want to do that. Physical thing because in the olden days you stab the lion or the lion at you and the issue was overstressed. Complete like it's it's not a thing but now we release these chemicals these hormones tour body and they just sort of royal around there and we don't have like any sort of physical. I'm response that we really need so one of the really cool things about everything I did with hot. Method is that you know you're exposing yourself to cold stress repeatedly and and what that does actually just almost eliminates anxiety and that's a really amazing benefit that sort of as part of that. I really love the idea. I love the technique that you describing and for me it really does take a lot from traditional belief systems and some spiritual practices. It reminds me of stoicism. It reminds me of taking a lot of self responsibility for what you experience. What happens to you You know it's a really. I think it's a really fantastic Approach to live which has lost these days. Yes feels like part of? It's missing in a way and I want to go into some of the neurological sides of this as well. Because one of the first chapters you go out to Stanford and made up with Andrew Hooverman a neuroscientist and he's working on the studies of the neurology of FIA. And you know you ask him this kind of really BICYC- question of what is fear. And he launches into this incredible story feed share with us. I wasn't sure exactly how it related to your question of share with us. What what he told you really funny because he actually has a lot of trouble explaining what fear is on so when he described it to me all right so two weeks ago. I was swimming. I was in a shark cage off the in the Off The coast of Mexico and I was twenty feet below the water and my friends were all swimming around with cameras and I was sucking on a hookah line. Which is actually this airline. That comes down from the boat. And that's how you breathe. And all of a sudden blind stops working like he pulls on it and he's out of breath and and he surrounded by great white sharks and he's like this is a really bad scene and so he he's trying not to panic and he reaches for one of those air canisters at the bottom of the tank sprayer. And that's not working. He reaches for another spare and that's not working. He has to think to himself. How do I get out of this situation? And realize he's got like only a few seconds make a decision is he gonNa go and scoot out the top of the cage dart up to the top to the surface a possibly triggering the prey drive of these twenty foot long starving feeding great white masters or is he going to try to just hold his breath until he dies or get his attention of his friends and he's able to stay in the moment long enough that that he actually does right as he's like sort of opening the top of the cage A friend of him sees him and he starts they make the Inter water eye contact. He started running his finger over his throat in the international sign of. I'm out of here and I'm going to die and his friend actually saves them but this is the way he sort of indicates to me you know. Try to answer that question. That in this moment in that in that space where he is a under threat was Hoberman scared. What was he afraid? And the answer is no. He was not scared. He was if he if he had panicked. If he had let go and start spiraling out into all of the ways he could have died and there were many many ways he could have died he he would have lost his ability to act in that moment and then went kaput. I'm so pleased that you put this so early in the book as well because it made me realize when I was first reading in the introduction chapters about the wage at all this is cool I mean this is a way for us to reduce anxiety and live better lives but it really made me realize that the wedge is actually potentially the difference between life and death. I mean we obviously don't get ourselves into life situations all the time but if that ever happens if you've got control over the wedge it really could make a big difference. Oh yeah the reason why we have the ability to control our bodies with our minds like our whole somatic system the whole point of consciousness in a way is to keep you alive right in stressful situations to keep you alive in the face of stress. And that's what our whole somatic sensory system is about. It's giving US information about the world. That's relaying through our nerves that goes into our brain and for whatever reason the reason we or or the reason we have conscious control over that is because our brain is able to make decisions that keep us surviving. What is the cool thing about the wedge is? It's not just about planning for the future. I should have spears on me to go. Fight that Lyon but it's actually deeper. It's actually saying okay. I'm going to going to dig deep into myself and find the right emotions. That trigger these. These are responses either. Either fight or flight arrested digest depending what you need at that time. And then I'm gonNA deploy those and so. What was hooligans wedge? What did he use so for him and this was bizarre at the moment where he feels like. He's like a not sure if he's GonNa make it. For some random reason the face of his bulldog costello some floppy bulldog shows up in his mind and he thinks to himself. I am going to come back to you. What a good boy right and I don't know if he asked him several times is that was that like a conscious choice like did you is. Is he like your your Mandela right through meditation thing that yet. And he's like I don't know it was just but isn't that weird. That in the moment of the most dangerous moment of his life right he could have been dead seconds from now. He comes back to a place of comfort and a place of continuity the and. That's what keeps them. Calm will in this chapter. You might get really important. E to a stop talking about how it feels often get hot wide into our very beings into a physical anatomy. And you describe this how it works via the LIMBIC system and how it's connected to what's termed as neural symbols. Can you put that in a nutshell force here on the show so we can understand? How Roma's fighting against our notions. In a way when we're using the wedge right so the basic bits a if you think of the brain as as a as a hardware and you think of the cognition a software the bits and bytes of every bit of human consciousness. Is this object that I call it. Neural symbol and your brain is just floating in salt water in your skull right and this this is in a way the seat of consciousness this is where you experience the world but the brain has no access to the world outside of of your sensory system outside of the the nerves in your sights and sounds it has to make sense of the world through the signals that come in and this is a very important piece of anatomy to understand because the very first time you experience anything and I love using the example of ice water. 'cause people can sort of think in their minds like what that might feel like. What's it feel like to jump into a really cold shower? So let's say you've never done that before you never jumped into this freezing situation you do and your peripheral nerves so everything your arms and your skin and whatever send a chemical signal to your central's your spinal cord and and that's all in Chemistry and electrical signals. It rockets up your spine goes into the very base part of your brain which is the limbic system and I like to think of the this limbic system is something like a librarian at the head of the LIMBIC system. There's the limbic librarian because every librarians a librarian and she gets that signal and says hey look. I've never felt this before. And she looks around all the books in our library which are all the sensations you've ever had before and she sees there's no ice water book here so she kicks it up to another part of the brain called the Paralympic system. It's only a centimeter away. And this is essentially a bookbinder. And what he does is. He takes that symbol. That is really just data. It's just like raw data and maybe a volume signal because we know that was a really loud signal the the ice water and he says well cool this signal is Mike current emotional state. It just checks what your emotions are and bonds the sensation in the emotion together and this is what a neural symbol is. He kicked out back down to the librarian. And at this point your current emotional states probably unmitigated horror and terror. Or because you're in this really like fighter flight response And and the reason you have that probably goes back to an earlier neural symbol from birth. When you go from really hot to really cold because almost I don't know anyone who's I ice bath a pleasant experience. They kicked down that signal to the librarian. She says cool now I now. I know what this ice water sensation means. She files it away. And you go about your ice bath now. The next time you feel that same ice water feeling and this is the most important thing to realize about neural symbols. Is It rockets up? Your spinal cord comes into the LIMBIC system and the librarian says Ice Water. I already have this book. And it is unmitigated horror and terror and she does not kick it up to the Paralympic system and what this means is that for every sensation. You have That you've experienced before you are reliving part of your emotional past and and together since the human brain is locked inside this like float chamber in your skull absolutely every piece of cognition you have is based on these bits and bytes. Emotion and sensation paired together. You know hundreds of millions of them turn into just like a computer program level up on top of each other on that makes nation and so who in the neurologist from Stanford The reason he was out there filming shocks is he was developing a VR simulation wasn't he of Avia simulation of being surrounded by watts so in his experiments what was he trying to do in that Metaphor you've just painted forest now. What was he trying to to wedge into? He's trying to look at the automatic arousal which means like your physiological responses to something that terrifies you. And he's putting people who have 'em phobias in a virtual reality simulator that is supposed to trigger their adrenaline and Cortisol makes him scared and the VR is sort of a standard stimuli for him to explore and and in theory this is also also using it for treatments for exposure therapy and something called cognitive behavioral therapy. Where you expose something people to a a stimulus that frightens them. But you do it in a safe area so you you walk into the our chamber new. You know you're safe. There's a doctor over there you see. It's like padded walls. Like you're totally safe than you put on the the visor and you're swimming with sharks but you're able to pair that safety of the room which you just experienced with that thing that freaks you out and this is one way to sort of reduce your stimulus though await assertive wedge your way into like not freaking out not having those emotional reactions because they're creating new neural symbols around that. Shark Phobia thing and you. You tried the via didn't you? What what was it like? I know I so wanted it to be the thing where I can be like. I can just go into this. Vr simulator. And I'll be freaked out and learn to control my fear like I was like I was going to be the shortcut to the wedge. But you know I sort of I swim with a virtual sharks and honestly it just didn't do it for me either. I am just ridiculously brave or perhaps digital sharks. Don't tickle my fear buttons you would think amount will be effective that one of our co host that used to work for Wendy I I put her into via once at my house Back in Sydney and it was a it was via representation of an office desk and like a dinosaur would walk into the room. And all this crazy stuff would happen. It was all you know. She was all fine with that but I didn't realize she has ARACHNOPHOBIA. Oh now and about three minutes. Into the simulation a spider comes down and lands on the virtual hand and she joss Lost Scott. Shiga remaining at the top of her lungs. Always so that the neighbors we're going to call the lease shrieking a solid bean it when she took the goggles. Oh what happened you said? I'm scared of spot phobia for so it can be effective but obviously in your situation. Your you're looking for something that's going to give you that. Fear you kind of need some real danger. Don't you see it can really hone this technique of the wedge? So wh where did you go next? Where was your next kind of stop to try and induce this fear? I just walked out the front door of the Hoberman lab lost about what I was. GonNa do next in my book because I was like. I don't have my fear response and I got this text message from my friend named Tony. Who who sent me this text message basically read Scott. You have to meet my friend. Michael Hill put you into an instantaneous flow state by throwing kettlebells my life is so freaking weird right and look at this message. And I'm like that's lame kettlebells to me scream boat big big Russian dudes with two big muscles You know working out in gyms in ways that I just not interested in and but I had some time so it's like all right. Let's go see what this is about about a few hours later. I'm standing on this hill in San Francisco opposite Michael Castrogiovanni Tony's there and Michael to paint a picture of him. He is a gorilla man whose arms are bigger than my leg I he he he sits hunched over and and he's both make him run to he's grunting at me and and he's holding a kettle bell in his hand and for all intents and purposes a kettle bell is a lump of iron like a Canon Ball. And he's about to throw it at me. And in this moment I realized I know what fear is fears having a guerilla throw a cannibal shocks. This is exactly why. Why do I got myself involved in this stuff? And and he says you know look into my eyes and so two dude standing across from each other one of them's GonNa throw away at the other person and everyone here. Listening to the show is thinking or you're GonNa break your foot and to exactly what I'm thinking. And he looks into my eyes. He swings the Kettle Bell Up. And we're sort of locked onto each other. And then and then it goes back between his legs again and he swings it up again and on the second swing we shift our is from each other to the kettle bell and then the third swing he brings it up he lets go of the kettle it flies through the air right right at at this point my but just puckers right. I am. I am sure it's things bad bad are going to happen but I am zeroed in on that Kettle Bell. I grab it ends up in my hands. I swing. It goes between my legs and I swing it back and all of a sudden we've gone from throwing a weapon at one of another to dancing and what the kettle bell passing is is It's like an audit is an automatic flow state. It's it's because we are so focused on the the true danger the the reality that I could break my foot it with one missed throw. And he's also focused on that same thing a arm movements coordinate and you start moving without thinking and all of a sudden. This sort of antagonistic looking practice becomes about connecting with another human. It's about building trust. So you say that. You've gone from Wichmann Kilimanjaro. That you're not throwing the cable but you are the kettle bill. My God God I am. I am saying that it makes sense when you describe it because obviously it is. It's not a dangerous diner situation. That could kill you. I mean if something went horribly wrong maybe fill it the reaction. It's real fear. You could be injured. So you have no choice but to concentrate and through this concentration. You're just entering this flow state. Very very quickly. So the question is what is so important about concentration and the wedge concentration in the presence of stress and I think that's very important has to be in the presence of something where there are stakes can can make you tether and focus on just one thing. You Know Buddhists often say that we have monkey mind's right where where you're just holding various things from all over the world and your brains is going absolutely everywhere which is honestly my brain most of the time but in these moments of stress where things were where stakes are actually present where there is a sense of risk all of that sort of fades away. Because you have a survival mechanism which pushes you into this laser. Like focus on and in the case of a kettle bell if someone else's also laser it in on that same danger You start acting in concert right. That focus sort of makes you the same person. It sort of makes you the same. It's not the same person but it's making you're hooked into the same consciousness because our brains are wired the same in there and they've they've taken out all of the external thoughts that you have in your so absolutely in the moment that those other things don't matter it's only the being the right here and right now. That does an Michaels a really interesting guy with the with the Kettle Bell Technique. It's almost a religion for him isn't it? I mean he's you said he could really tell a lot about a person by how they call the kettle bell how they did the process and amazingly if he watched couples do it. You could tell how relationship was. How does that work? Yeah it's it's amazing. So think of this communicating without language in every couple doesn't matter how great your relationship is has these islands. You don't WanNa go to write these things like this is going to cause a fight. I don't really want to go over there and I think that's healthy. I don't think that's a problem to have that but there is a sense in that which does undermine trust right is 'cause you can't truly be with that person in every sort of context now. What often happens when couples I start throwing kettlebells. They're terrible added just suck at it because they have these trust issues that they've built up through years together potentially right and now they're like. Oh Wow now you're gonNA throw weight at. May I buy it right? And so usually they will drop the bell in their first few throws. It's very very common to see. And but what happens is the more you do it. You find that you have to cooperate if you're gonNA continue with this and you have to build trust because you love the person you're with you don't WanNa hurt them. There's empathy there and there's empathy. They have empathy for you. And there's so you build trust with one another and then over time. This is just another tool in your tool set to forge bonds Without words the book so entertaining to read. Because we keep finding you in these situations where Strange strange things happen. Yeah and I. I love this book for another reason. It gets very personal as well. And in the next chapter we find you. In a Wim. Hof Freezing Kloss quiz late and You'll slowly turning different shades of purple right so you've got to go to share this with us. This is just Aaron and I love these stories. This one might as chuckle. You just like the ones that embarrassment. Don't you get it? I get it very much but we also love this because he used the term D. M. T. breathing. Now we've come a damn T- on the show many times so for someone to use the term. Dmz breathing immediately with thinking. Well this this is obviously something extreme. So what is the MTA breathing? And what we doing that. Women Hof Costs I. It's it's it's a variation of the worm. Hof Methods so the Wim. Hof Method is hyperventilate. And then you hold your breath you exhale and you hold your breath and then you hyperventilate and then you exhale and hold your breath and then you do that again and again and again and all of a sudden you're holding your breath on an ex hail for like three or four minutes at a time and this is very common it's super easy to learn and you can go to and they're very normal physiological explanations for why this works And I was in a class I was originally talking about. What doesn't kill us in my journey with Wim Hof with the group and then I was like Oh. Let's stay for the breathing section of this class. My friend WHO's his Wim Hof method instructor here in Denver Leading the breath work and it was sort of the intro. Breath work right. Everyone's here and there was twenty people in the class and everyone's breathing together and I'm breathing with them. But there's something about being in a group really which like allows me to go deeper. There's something like there's an energy in the room or something about being with people Where I go deeper than I normally do and I think a lot of people experienced this and some doing the breathing. The normal breathing and Ellie is just teaching them the the basic technique and here. I am being like. Oh I can go deeper. I can feel this going deep because you start doing this this hyperventilating. It's not just about holding your breath but you have all these bewildering sensations start tangling. You Close Your eyes and you see all sorts of colors sometimes. I'll see faces on a really long breath. Hold and when you talk to Wim Hof. He says that you're accessing your panel gland as you do this he'll say that you're accessing D. M. T. Which is supposedly processed in the piney gland and one thing that's very interesting about D. M. T. is that it is one carbon dioxide molecule off of Melatonin which was which is the sleep molecule which produced in Europe and the Oakland. And so some things going on here where we blowing off all the co two from respiration holding our breath where you start to have these little hallucinations. And that's very normal in the normal Wim Hof freezing but then there's a little thing you can do. I don't know if I want to describe it on your podcast. I think exactly because I don't want someone just going and doing it. But we go do passing out. Or having an aneurysm or something but there's a little trick that you do that's that's just like fifteen percent off of what the normal method is. You could tell us I'll tell you I'll tell you offline and we'll put it in the I do mention it in the book but it's something you should never do while driving. Never do while standing up. You know you should do it with somebody who knows how to get you out of it because it can stop your respiration and the only way to restart it could be you passing out and having your system. Sort of just click over. I've never heard of someone getting hurt by doing this but I wouldn't say it's not that would be impossible anyway. I do the thing and I am seeing this like little tunnel of light and then boom I am flying down this tunnel of light at some sort of face and I'm like this is it. I'm I'm in this like like psychedelics. Face and this is exactly where I WANNA be. An alias is is like walking around. The room was like Scott. Scott you have breathe for like five minutes. Scott and I'm turning purple unlike actually go away. I'm loving where I am right now. I'm not saying this. I'm just thinking that you know Scott really stop that yeah you look like he would dying to everyone else in the class right well because the MTA is the death chemical right is supposedly emt is the is the chemical you release when you die and And so yeah I was sort of having my own little near death experience in front of her and she didn't like that and I cannot blame her own one bit and I wake up and I feel a one. I feel amazing. I feel like gratitude and love for everything in the world and I look at her and I'm like super embarrassed as paragon of teaching Wim. Hof Methadone like on. Sorry it what you describing. There is really incredible. How it does dovetail with the death experiences we talk about on the show describing tunnel but intriguingly. There's you just very quickly mentioned that there was a face that you saw Can you give us more detail? Was it something? Tangible was at the was it just shapes that looked like a place. In how vivid was I see a bearded face? It's a man. Sometimes I think it looks like Wim Hof and other times I think it doesn't It's but it's like it's like a person of some sort At the turn of appearing out of reds and yellows as I'm going down this tunnel at other times I'll see a symbol like what's looks a little like a little like an aunt but it's not a knock there's there's some other parts to it and that will just show up and it just shows up for no good reason on like Look at that. I actually on my instagram. I I put the symbol there. At one point I found it online. It's like an Aramaic symbols. Like oh that's weird No idea why it is. You know I'm not gonNA say that I'm connecting to the spiritual ether. Maybe I am but it could also just be the random neurons in my brain but at the end of this. I feel amazing right at the end of this. I feel like I've connected with something. Very deep very personal very calming and you know. It's very similar to experience that I've had on mushrooms at the end of the book. I do a very very intense hallucinogenic and combine it with the DMC breathing in. It makes a very interesting experience for me. My question from here is will the chapters about the breath. Work that you're doing. So why is the breath work? Wise the breath so a as such an important part of the wedge. So I if you look to any meditative. Tradition breath is one of the very central practices in just about every meditation from from the East And even in the Christian and Islamic traditions breath is so central because it is this thing that we have absolute intentional control of if we want to think about it and if we don't want to think about it is absolutely under unconscious control so it is like the first wedge because it's that it's that point between consciousness and unconscious which is so perfectly balanced that were all masters of it almost at right after birth we just sort of figure it out and then you realize that if you can tweak your breathing patterns you can alter that mix to have a variety of experiences and also breath is like breath is life. You've heard this before you know. This is true. If you're not taking an oxygen and excel hailing co two. You will die. And so it's this thing that you have control over which is also so important because it is life and death and there are hundreds of thousands of different types of breath. Work out there and they can lead to things like I'm doing like the psychedelic experience to things that just give you huge endurance Things that can make you anxious or make you really calm. I mean it is really this master. Switch A to break into our into our systems that everyone has access to you mentioned people like George Caitlyn. Who have suggested things like? We're breathing wrong. Who's George Kaitlyn? And how does he relate breath to disease so George Caitlyn? Is this like eighteen? Hundreds sort explorer polymath dude in North America who supposedly interviewed a thousand different Indian villages had traveled two thousand different on native American villages and interviewed people about what it was like to be A native in North America and he said that the one thing that sort of bonded all of that like like all just about every tribe. He met Always had their mouth closed and they only breathe through their nose and they just scoffed at every Westerner who was like a mouth breather right. You're thinking right now like you probably your mouth. You probably breathing through mouth right now. And and they would train their kids at a young age to only be through their nose he had some cockamamie ideas. I mean the eighteen hundreds you had some sort of. He would say that the breathing through nose was the only re you know would make you healthy and make you live forever. Incidentally he died but with a really interesting thing is is that in the modern world. A lot of us are chronic over breeders. Right we do breathe through our mouth all the time and and when we do that we are exhaling. A lot of co two and our bodies for whatever reason detect co two and not oxygen For for for during respiration so when you build up co two you start feeling like you have to gasp you. Start feeling very anxious. And if you're always breathing through your mouth you're always blowing off. Co Two which means you don't develop any tolerance to it which means you're very intolerant to holding your breath which actually creates sort of chronic anxiety in a lot of people. Caitlyn and what? A lot of modern people do are talking about now. Is that if you breathe through your nose you built up. Co Two tolerance and you become a better adapted person and the other thing that you you get to do it in an instant where you have to breathe where hyperventilating is a good idea and then you start breathing through your mouth. You actually have more aerobic capacity you can have a stronger sprint. A better about of endurance. Because you've built up tolerance to see how to. So what was it? With the descriptions off the breaths per minute seemingly people that have diabetes for example they breathe fifteen times minute people. Who HAVE ASTHMA fourteen heart disease? Twelve cystic fibrosis eighteen. What is it about these numbers of breath? The people have in a minute that influences the disease they have is it actually the breadth causing the disease or is it because you had that disease at alters your respiration we don't know I mean you're asking a causal question which I think puts me in a in a very difficult place What we do know is that that people who are sick generally breathe more and people who are healthier generally breathe less and And from this I think we extrapolate that getting slower respiration slowing wrestler resting respiration makes you more adapted as a sign of you being more fit. there's lots of people out there who argue that this will. This is the key like if you learn to breathe slower. You will be more healthy but I. I don't think that's fair but I don't think I can say. Learn to be slower and cure your diabetes. Yeah there was a lot of opening aspects of this because especially when they're chapter. You're talking about Saunas English the sauna therapy solar therapy actually nod. Scott I have to read. I think you should get to the right. You'll next book. I read the Stott of Chapter Red Line for audience. It's one hundred ninety degrees and I'm lying naked on a cedar bench peeking out from behind his handlebar moustache. A man and appointed green hat and a loincloth of Bates and we we addressed like Salads. We marinate like steaks. This is medicine this is. Why are you naked on a cedar bench dress like a Salads with that? And why did I drag my wife into? This was more of that. You know my life is a little odd. I will admit and you know what I wanted to do. Is every circum. Polar group in the world has a sauna tradition. Some sort of hot box that people will go into To give medicine in order to have a community the experiences and I really wanted to understand this because I've been doing studying cold for so long like what's the top end of that scale and I initially looked around it with the native American groups in the United States with the Lakota has something called. Mvp which is Sweat Lodge And there's other groups of other sorts of sweat lodges as well and I really wanted to go study with them on but I contacted. Probably ten different tribes and their answer was in general. Please go away traditions and I was like okay. That's sort of fair and as I was sort of giving up on the LAKOTA sweat lodge. I got an email from a guy in Latvia neymars Zinder who's Scott come and speak at my biohacking conference and I will pay you with a sauna. Oh and I was like the only person who's going to say yes to that is found me and I said yes and I flew out there I did. I did this. Great talk at the Baltics are amazing and one of the most amazing thing about the Baltics. If ask someone what their religion is. They almost universally say I am pagan. Oh and I love that so like like no one says that America right so so hang with the Pagans and they only forage for mushrooms. I mean these people are like druids. It's like Latvia is the coolest place and it's off the map so go there now you now so after we've conference. He drives me out into the woods into this like super high end sauna. Like this is like beautiful. Would like like this would be like a five star hotel except it's just us on in the middle of the woods there's a lake out front And there's a tea room and then there's like the solder next to the tea room and and these people in pointed green hats and handlebar mustaches. Tell my wife and I get undressed or standing there naked and they perform this five hour sauna ritual while which I mean. It is bizarre into to you know. I could narrate this whole thing for you because I want to. But all the chapters brilliant. I love these guys. The had an official name. They were called the picnics kicks which translates to Sauna Master. They are Shamans WanNa Shamans Sauna Shamans and they use heat to put you into a PSYCHEDELIC. State and the ritual is very long. It's very intense ended super weird. I mean they are literally hitting you with bouquets of flowers. They are rubbing honey on you. There you're eating. We are a thing of like they make tea out of wormwood and like bread out of pine needles like. It's like familiar weird at the same time and they dance around you like wood elves and they're playing like fury. Lee's like a music box. I mean this is bizarre stuff. And and then one of the coolest moments is so we have this little. T. Ceremony and we bred met at a pie needles. Wormwood t weird an interesting and then we go into the sauna and we're lying down there naked and they've been there bashing us with flowers and and the and it's like two hundred degrees in the room and right at that point where you're getting to your the red line you know that moment where things the the world starts closing in and you're claustrophobic and I just want to get out and run. They like grab a sprig of mental some leaf dip into some cold water and sprinkl it lately on my head and and the the contrast in sensation brings me. Right below that panic. Point right right below there and so they're able to sort of modulate my sensations using their sensations because they can tell if they put their hand on me and I feel hot to them. They know that that my experience of that heat is worse than they are. So they're using their senses and my senses and trying to figure out how we're feeling so it's it's almost like they're trying to use extremes and at the same time over low. Joo with these sensory overload right absolutely and the sensory overload discos bananas when they start like then they start hitting with with wormwood branches and I just drank wormwood. T. Up Okay and I'm hot. I'm stressed out and I'm not thinking straight and all of a sudden I experienced sinister wash which is where you blend senses. It's like where you hear smells where you where you see. Sounds and and I'm experiencing that wormwood as he's slapping on me as if it's a sound as if it's a smell and my sense is just like overblown and confused but it's also like very cleansing like there's something very in the ritual sense. It's it's it's very interesting to experience your senses through a new organ through a totally different sensory pathway and and we're staying in the sauna there stages like you'll new forty five minutes in the son of a dunk you in the water come back in But it is this magical and wonderful experience We both get out of there. We feel amazing like the Is By far the thing that I think everyone who reads? This book should fly. Lafayette and go. Go get one of these saunas because it is a once in a lifetime experience and it is a conway to get whipped by. Would I know you porn somewhere? I'm sure of it and it sounds like it's almost like the reprogramming. Those neural symbols. You mentioned earlier in a way. Oh Yeah I mean you've never felt this sensation before right. You've never I never smell the sound before. And so then this is like a very freshest neural symbol. You can put in there. You know the the emotions that you're going through are like really stressed out and then really calm and just like at the top of Mount Kilimanjaro. You realize that you can either fight the stress. You can fight the heat and use your grit and determination to accomplish your goal. You can let go and you can You can like let those sensations flow through you and that is really what what you get to in. The Sauna is like this complete relaxing acceptance of of the stress in the environment. I just for cold Y I brought up. This experience is because Aaron was talking about some of those discoveries with with breath in certain Diseases This is leading into the. You know this story to talk about the. Was it a Latvian scientist asleep? Who was doing research on on Saunas and I left really eye-opening discoveries about depression and Bonnie hate. Yeah can you describe that force Charles Resign and he is actually a professor at the University of Wisconsin Madison. And he's looking at old therapies like things. We used to use in the twenties and thirties a sort of fallen out of favor. And he's trying to see what was interesting about them and I saw this presentation. He gave Where he was very interested in Saunas and one of the things that really just wowed me was. He said that people who are depressed. Depression correlates with a higher body temperature. And if you lower the body's temperature back to a mean rate the normal homeo- static rate for people the Depression alleviates which blew my mind. I had never heard of anything like this before. And and he has a very good study about it. You can go look it up on Google scholar and so he was looking at in the in the twenties and thirties. They were putting patients in Germany and Switzerland into infrared Saunas to alleviate depression and so he repeated trials with a placebo group to show that a forty five minutes on us. We had a Placebo Group. Which had like a an inference onto that had like not infrared lights and just like normal lightbulbs than they had an infrared sauna. That had infrared light bulbs so when people serve the real treatment when people got the Sham treatment and he found that the depress people who came out of the the active group had significantly reduced depressions Symptoms that were about equivalent to what you'd get with a S. Sri like PROZAC. Or or any of those set selective Serotonin reuptake inhibitors and he was like. Wow Yeah and all and he said like it's just the environment if you give someone this environment of warmth and comfort they start to revert to the mean and he has a whole evolutionary explanation for why these associations work but it also makes sense. He said that. Why every single circum polar indigenous group has SAUNAS and uses it to forge community and treat mental Conditions Mental health condition. Yeah there's so many great insights like this all throughout the bull. Come on if we had five hours to talk to you. What love to dive into? All of them is incredible. Stop in here especially the Potato Diet that you force your wife to go through. But I'll leave that for another day because I want to. I want to talk about where you ultimately ended up this incredible wage into life and death into consciousness You find yourself in the Peruvian Amazon with a Shaman. Will the story that led you to go out there and you'll contact that you initially made was really fascinating ties back into that. Deemed breathing story told US earlier. So you know. How did you make your? You'll contact in the Amazon. And how'd you get out there? Your audience knows Iowa Right. This is close Peruvian Chamonix drug that caught the fine of death. It's an eight hour. Deemed treat teach rep essentially but with the in the shamanic tradition. And I really wanted to do this. I mean a lot of people are doing Iowa Oscar right now. I wanted to see what it was about and I wanted something that was special done by the right person. There's all these charlatans out there so I started calling everyone I knew who had done Iowa Oscar and start asking the what Shannon should I go to? How do I get down there and and I read a lot of people and I really felt like I talked to this one woman on skype. Who has like? She was working like an eighteen hundred prairie outfit and she was like yes. Come to my center and you Google them and they're clearly an Iowa. Cult people are getting fleeced at all sorts of crazy stuff. So this is like a wild world so you really want good person. I emailed this guy who wrote the book on Iowa and the book is called I o Oscar good night and I was like who should go to man point and he was like go to my friend. Lazar. She's amazing Great Lizama and I look her up in and I send an email and it's in the summer and get an auto response which is basically says. Hello I am in the jungle. I cannot respond to emails so like a month later. Emailer again same order response and like and like two months after that and I'm like just looking around for Shamans and nothing like feeling right and I'm sort of giving up like I'm not going to have the the I can't find the right way in And then I'm giving this con- this a talk in a veil here in Colorado and I'm at a ski lodge I think or Ski Hotel and it's six in the morning and I'm sleeping and I'm having a dream and the dream I meet this beautiful dark haired lady and she offers me. She says I have to eat very restricted diet. And then she's GonNa Give Me Iowa and we have this little ceremony and drink this like weird tasting brew and then she says Great. But congratulations you drank Ayahuasca and then I wake up and I'm like we're dreaming. I roll over. I check my phone and there's an email that had come in probably like three minutes before I woke up from Ledesma. Wow saying Scott. I'm out of the jungle. You must come in three ASA I'll be with my. I will be with my teacher and you can come take Wasco with us and I was like what the Hell Capri cognitive dream experience. Yeah well what is is a bright shining billboard saying this is your Shaman. Right no question listen to your dream and and I do and so that go to the Amazon and I and I you know the several months later I'm down there and then we drive like an hour to outside of Iquitos born this jungle camp and I'm with her her teacher and there's eight days of Iowa. What are you ultimately trying to do? What's what's your goal here. So the goal here is to have that same experience of oneness of universal connection that I had on the top of Kilimanjaro. I wanted to go big. I wanted to have all of the tools that I used in the Wedgwood. And the wedges oftentimes me putting myself against stress and then modulating myself in that and I wanted to find the the biggest stress I could have the biggest experience I could have and then go deep into it and I get off the plane I get there. I'm meatless meal. She's wonderful and like oh I'm so glad I'm with her Her I read her teacher. Tony and he's like okay. Great we're going to do I WASPA- in like two hours. I'm just off the airplane MICO and I'm like Whoa okay. No no just going to drop me into it Okay great and around midnight. I'm walking into the jungle down this like deep path so his players already in the jungle and then there's this path that goes even deeper took a hut that he has set up there and there's like six or seven people with us Also in the ceremony and all those people have terminal illnesses. They're not coming there for their spiritual find themselves journey. These people have cancer and like failing organs and they want their wasp is their last hope. And that's a whole nother story because I here because I want to go deep Lizama sort of in their Tony's there. I have a photographer with me. And he lights a match and he starts singing these like shamanic songs and like drumming drumming his foot on the ground and these songs are like familiar. Like you hear them and they're they're certainly in some other language maybe catch Wa. Maybe some sort of weird Spanish up but they the melodies like nursery rhymes. They're simple and sort of familiar it. Everyone's drinks the Iowa. And here I am. I want to blast off into space. I want to go find the next amazing thing. And he gives me the company. Says you know here. It is You know have some intentions and I drink it. And I'll ask is the worst tasting stuff ever. It is like like rotten fruit and coffee grounds with the texture of motor oil. It is just a foul foul thing and I sit back My Matt and I'm like roiling in my stomach but I'm also like pretty excited. I and I start like You know the textures of the light around me start changing. I'm like Oh this is going to be big and I'm going to go deep and and essentially I want to go out to the universe but the way Iowa Osco works is a lot of people. Say like you're talking to a goddess. Right you're talking to the plant itself. It's like this external thing and I am agnostic as to whether or not this is the external world Nations of my brain. But it very much. Is this feeling of something else talking to you right whether it's my subconscious whether it's the plant? I don't know but it's like counseling me and and basically what it's telling me is instead of shooting me off into the universe saying Scott. You'RE SUPER LAME. You've got this horrible addiction which is is just taking up too much of your time in your life and it's showing me why. I do this and my horrible addiction and this is super embarrassing to me and I'm trying to avoid saying it but I'm going to say it anyway is. I am heavily addicted to video games and fighter. I I know I have all of this time to like you know either having adventure or I'm sitting at home waiting for an adventure to happen in like writing some stuff and then there's like these vast stretches of time where don't know how to fill it and then I could get sucked into video games and play like way too many hours. I I love to this honesty. I love this honesty Scott because I think especially young men in today's society. Many of us have this this attachment. I mean it's a really. It's a really quite a widespread thing. Lots of people are spent a lot of time on video games. They've done studies on how it affects Young men getting into the workforce. I spend more time living at home than they used to. They're just not as productive and I it really resonated with me because I I have the same problem in a few years. I just you know you look at you steam library and you look at the counter of how many hours a you mentioned civilization. My God it's like months playing this game a months of Your Life I. It's it's a problem. And they're designed by neurologists who a neuroscientist who are really using the wedge to to get you because they all the dings things happen. And then you're like. Oh you get a little bump and you feel like you're accomplishing something. Even though you're playing a video game and I'm not necessarily against video games. I want people to know that this is not like the anti video game screed for me. I'm wasting tons of time on it and I wa- SG is telling me Dude. You don't have many books you could have written. So how did it portray that to you? I mean how was it communicated by the all the substance if you WANNA take that angle? Oh it was just talking to me like it was just yapping. Emmy it was like. Here's here's how videogames occupy space in your life. And if you want to not do it you need to occupy it with a new space. I mean it was like talking to a psychiatrist for a long time but in a second pass I mean it wasn't it wasn't like a geometric geodesic dome like flies down on me unlike pulses like energy drink. No it's just words like English and And so that experience ends and an and my feeling is basically. That was lame all. I didn't get shot out into the universe. All Got Learn. Lamai was and it's sort of counseled me. It was like you know you need to find other things to put face in there and and so I was like well all right whatever. Maybe next time we'll be better may thanked me when we got in the counseling out of the way. Next time we'll be awesome so the next time is going to be in three days and so I spend the next three days talking with Tony. Talking with Lizama and we are going to rule the Iowa. Ourself right we're going to go into the jungle. We're GONNA cut the Iowa Oscar vines down. We're going to bash them with mallets to break them apart and then put them into a cauldron and then find the other ingredients is think chuck relieves. We're GONNA brew that too and the process takes twenty two hours sitting over a cauldron blowing smoke into the cauldron with our intentions like trying to make it really big and Tony tells me Scott. This one is going to be a bomb. This is going to be big. You're GONNA get your silly psychological experience of being shot into the universe now and I'm like good. That's what I wanted man and so a comes around to the next event. Oh and the other thing. I didn't mention is you know I. I said that I was a taste bad. It doesn't taste bad. It makes you vomit. Purges like a comes up and it's the worst thing you have a bucket with you and you vomited thing and that sucks right. And that's the sort of thing that happens on this drug which is why it will never be a party drug and so I. I'm carrying my bucket down the path a Mike all Right. We're going to go and where I'm going to have the bomb and it's midnight again under Jaguars everywhere and I'm sitting there and we'd I drink it and I'm like okay. It's good my sit down on my Matt and and the first thing I see is like Like this hallucination of like a native American Cherokee so some of the headdress right running buying giving smoked everyone. I'm like Oh my God. This is going to be big and then nothing. I've drank it. It's nasty and nothing. I sit there and just here awhile. His singing and I'm like all right any timeout. And that's just I'm just sitting there. I'm just I'm just sitting in the universe waiting the nothing at all not even psychedelics. Nothing zero zero. I am just bored and I got a nasty taste in my mouth and then that nasty tastes gets worse and worse and it's coming up and I'm like Oh God not to do this too and I grabbed the bucket and I'm bending over the bucket and the homework comes up through myself into the bucket vomiting of video games. Fill the bottom of the bucket with video games and their when he gets hit by something and coins. Come flying you have that sound effects just have donkey. Kong barrels coming out coming out. I wish I wish that was the vision because that would be great but no it was like the physical space that video games at occupied in my body had congealed over the day and had been in my body and I literally vomited them out also. It was like the it was like the the attachment to them. The was being removed from you somehow at the very base level. Yeah at some physical deep level. That's what it was and again my feeling was like I wanted the universe. All I did was bombing but it was really this bizarre in crazy experience. And here's the the amazing thing for For that was what two and a half years ago For two years in three months I never even bothered playing a videogame. Had No interest never turned on again. It was just urge to the end. Those in that sort of self reinforcing cycle had been broken There and I took my I took you know Dr Iowa's advice I was like I'm not gonNA fill up that space again so there's certainly a tension between what it allowed me to do and I could. Certainly heroin user can always get rid Ri. Get hooked back up if they wanted to. Yeah and then actually funnily enough in Cova dacoven now has come down. Everyone's locked in the house. I started playing video games recently. And they're okay you know. They're they're fine but I'm not like motivation right and and actually getting a little bored by them. I played like four or five hours in the last week or so. And it's like they're okay but maybe I WANNA and I've been reading more books. It's like it's it's the thing that was a really profound very practical change and then you know. Shoot back down to the Wasco days the third time. I did Iowa ASCA. I got shot onto the universe and it was cool while let's save that for all its to pick up the book. Obviously as you mentioned out audiences familiar with Iowa Stories. We've covered a ton of them on the show but I thought you wrote about it You know just as good as the best I wa- skip books out there because it is such a difficult thing to communicate. Isn't that what you're experiencing? It really is hard to communicate psychedelic experiences and words. I I will tell you I struggled over this but I but Yeah I mean what I basically realized you just gotTa have to tell the experience. You just have to say what happened. I guess the last question I wanted to to give to you before we wrap up your time with us today And before he goes picks up the witch is in the environment. We're in now with this pandemic spreading around and so much fear going on in the world. How can people use techniques you'll describing the wedge to overcome that overcome the fear and to kind of You know improve their lives and And have a better experience during what's going on so I think it's really important to be physical right now. One of the tendencies. While under social distancing is to go turn inwards and insert continued isolate yourself and while we have to obey the health guidelines. Like you don't go out there and start swapping spit with people. What we do need to do is double down on things that give us some stress because what happens is you're on your computer and you're typing. You know about that politician who pissed you off the other day and how you are you know. You're worried about the global spread of this disease. And you have no control over those things you have to think back to. We are the archaic humans we once were. And are stresses are different right? Our stress right now is it comes up from the Internet. It comes up from these virtual things. And we do not have physical outputs and we need to find physical. Let's do that. And there are lots of techniques in the book that I mentioned but also it's important double down on the practices. You are doing that. You are familiar with like you know do yoga do meditation do anything that puts you in a place where you are trying to work against those hard stresses at some place and then and then and then focus on your sensations and and try to not do what your body wants to do which is easy Take it to that next level. And it's an internal change Which then also plays in the external world I think the Wim Hof breath work. If you're just looking for ideas it's great. Learn the off within Google. It it takes you fifteen minutes. Don't do the stupid thing that I did. Which made me almost pass out in turn purple? Just do the basic stuff tinguely you know. Hold your breath for Lumpia. Go take a cold shower. When you're in the culture relaxing it and I think that that alone is can be life saving and again the law section of the wedges full of all these techniques to throw technique a potato recipe which we might have mentioned not later. So it's really a fantastic read I think very timely for this work to come out Scott and always a pleasure to have you on the show car for the next one. I really want to push through the Dante breathing and actually go through. That tunnel. Wrote a book about it and then come back on the show. That's that's my hope future research. That shouldn't be too hard on. Hold breath just a little longer. You'll be fine. Thanks again for your time. Scott we wish you the best with the book release and you're always welcome back. I can't wait to be back once again. Huge thanks to Scott County for appearing on the show the book the Wedge Will Be Available on April thirteenth will linked to all the preorder links and the show. Of course it's available Amazon. It's all there's an audible version as well. it's apparently one of the hottest books for April already in the Apple ibooks store if I can say why but you can find a scots website at Scott. Connie DOT COM Also Scott's twitter feed which is S G. Connie willing to that as well and his instagram page. Sj Connie as well if you want to update some if you go to his website. You can get a preview chapter of the book and if not free newsletter. He said he would send you very amazing else. But you know how you mentioned when he was in that Isn't that we the D. M. T. breathing? Yes yeah he said he would often see symbol reoccurring and I found it posted on his instagram page. Actually it was a couple of months ago. This the that he's that would looks like an answer. That wasn't an nine Kinda backed out of calling it. An on. It's it's an IT. Looks like an ancient petroglyphs and I found it today and as soon as I saw it I realized I recognized it as being similar to the ones that was shunned by a Robert Shaw and other researches really as evidence of an ancient ancient people all around the world trying to depict and petroglyphs. The incredible plasma discharges was seeing in the sky in around nine thousand seven hundred BC. Oh I remember the ones you're talking. It looks like an Egg Cup upside down with a line for the looks like a Man. A man stunned. Yeah hands up in this tool circles there so when I saw that and I thought Oh wise Scott seeing that was he seeing a plasma discharge from the sun that ended up destroying Millions of lives across the planet. Ten thousand music didn't really bad things. Half massive climate change huge floods. People had to live underground for hundreds of years Maybe it's not that. Maybe it's just a random symbol well. I know that you've got more details about that coming up in a plus extension that you're going to go into the CONDO gives us some. I guess insight walk could occur. Well there's a river in the Czech Republic and when the the river gets to a certain depth when it gets shallow enough it reveals a bunch of stones a Colin Hung Stones and basically in ancient. Check like it's five hundred years old or something it's written on these stones you'll screwed. What if the water level drops and you can read it yet. So they're warning stunts because historically whenever the environmental the climate has caused the river to drop so much it always means Famine plague and these stunts tons of them have warnings that this is occurring again. And you need to prepare and these stones have emerged once again on. Are you timing anyway? Back to Scott and the wedge. I really enjoyed it. Tons of great stories. I love the potato diet which we didn't really have time to go into or essentially. You just ain't nothing but potatoes for five days so this was to hack. It's kind of to hack the emotional attachment you have to food and certain flavors it's the wedge to kind of. Stop You You know automatically going for those emotions. Yes which I thought was fun shop. Because again he drags his wife into it. Well as much as this book is about his experiences and there is a lot of loft during a little funny things going on in the war. I pulled this book some really important lessons actually. I think that people will be able to find that. They're actually all are ways that we can understand ourselves better and respond to our environment better and I think it became really clear and we just touched on it in the interview. But it's certainly highlighted in the book about why people react the way they do on the Internet's Day because I have noticed in the last few years things have become insane. People get incredibly upset odd noticed I right. I mean people become inside cancelled culture. People feel like that lives are under threat. Just because someone says a word that they don't like this is how insane things have become. I guess I've always kind of been like all. These people are distributed like they just dump people realize that not and Scott points is out. It's because it's like what we say about technology not catching up with biology. We're still essentially caveman. We're still running around on. The planes unsheltered our response to any top. Perceived attack is to increase. Cortisol is to be prepared to fight to the DEM now. Unfortunately that response system which is why over the top for what we would need. Today is still there so now. I kind of understand why people act the way they do but if more people understand that I think more of us can try and adjust our responses which is the point of the wage. I mean if more of us can go to Latvia and get Well be booked out holiday yet. I'm just going to go to a flower site and order a bunch of flowers that sitted side and myself with some roses would whip you. Only problems go away exactly lots of fun in there. And he's final Oscar experience is kind of I opening as well again the wedges available on the thirteenth and will link to everything in the show notes. And that's right for this free edition all the mysterious universe but as I said coming up in plus extension not only do I have the A horrific youngest sons that have been revealed and the horrible a future it spills out for all of us. But I'm also going to be a lot about that. I'm going to be looking. At the minimum. The way currently experiencing it has been the fossil decline in almost ten thousand years for the activity of our son and historically will historically this has been tied to major changes in human society whether it's boys lay eggs famines. We're GONNA look at some of the new research that has predicted the Times. 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Can You Make Millions on Meeting Notes? with Tyler King

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Can You Make Millions on Meeting Notes? with Tyler King

"Welcome to run with. It brings untapped business ideas from six hundred years. My name is chris. justin. And i'm here with even jenny. Ethan how you doing today. Wim hof wim hof. Are you aware o-of i am aware of half. I think we recently got into 'em half breathing around the same time. I just took a cold shower before for doing this. Call which is pretty rough in pittsburgh. I've done a few called showers recently. And i've been doing off breathing every morning around nine thirty. Am my time for a couple of weeks. Now pretty cool. It's pretty cool. That is a good way to get energy going before meetings that you have which is going to be the subject of our conversation. Here today with tyler. Yeah yeah kind've meetings whatever. Okay meaning taylor. King is the founder of less knowing. Crm he is also the host of the startup last podcast and he is bringing us. This idea to help facilitate meeting outs. So tyler tells about how you came up this idea. Basically think that generally speaking. There's a huge lack of tooling around meetings. It's an interesting space to because everybody has meetings almost all the meetings are the same like go to big companies small companies anywhere around the world. People go in a room and talk and then leave. It's pretty similar but there are very few tool tools leading up to it. How do you schedule the meeting. And this and that but when you're actually in the meeting there's not a lot of tools to make the meeting go well just in general. I think that's a good space. It's always toying around with like what would what be micro sas in that space like just a really quick. You know you can build it in a weekend type of idea and what occurred to me is taking meeting notes. Is i believe a pretty unsolved problem. And if you basically just got an email right before the meeting started and replied to the email and typed all your notes into it as the meeting was happened happening then hit send at the end. I thought that might be kind of the most lightweight. Possible way to get meeting notes logged which a lot of people need to meeting notes for various reasons maybe to share them with the team. Maybe for compliance reasons. But i think a lot of us can probably relate to like you get to the end of the meeting and it didn't happen so i just thought if you get a reminder reply to that reminder email with your notes it's not revolutionary but i think it's a little utility that could help a lot of people. I think that we need to do a little bit of selling on the idea of meeting notes as a whole we probably have a lot of developers engineers. I'm a former chemical engineer. Who kind of snubs her nose at the idea of having to take meeting notes. That's for that's below your your value of time christopher and even want to have a meeting in the first place. I'm all my meetings. i mean. That's the next level of software. Just just mind meld and avoid the need for meetings overall. But i've really come around to the idea that taking good notes is an action. Steps is a really powerful way to direct accompany to to exert influence on the way an organization works. And it's really simple to do and it's not just you're not just doing it through someone else. It's it's incredibly clarifying. It gives you a lot of time back. So there are a lot of productivity books out there. That can talk more about this. But i do think that it's important to state upfront. That if you're not trying this if you're not doing this try it out. One thing that someone can do to try it out at five minutes of before the end of the meeting you stop you start the conversation you try and wrap it up and then you say who will do what by when so something like that. That's a super easy way to get everyone on board and translate the the actual discussion that you've had into action steps. Yeah it's the same ideas taking notes if you're like a student in a class even if you never referenced the notes later there is some value to. I think it helps with your memory. It helps with your engagement. You don't just sit there and zone out if you're if you're taking notes kind of forces you to be present reminds me of a piece of advice to people. Who are they going to college. That's passed around it's kind of. It's probably apocryphal. At this point for some productivity grew but the best thing that you can do for your productivity for your college career after you attend to lecture take one minute and write down your notes from memory and just doing that. That behavior in itself is worth probably half an hour. Thirty times the amount of studying that you could take that you can do after the fact if you did it the next day so we can talk a lot about that in general productivity. But let's get into the the nuts and bolts of how this would work you mentioned making it super lightweight. Tell us more about that. first. Of all if i can just start with like a challenge that entrepreneurs face right now is there's almost too much software in the world and it's all fighting for the user's attention and i think a real challenge for new entrepreneurs if you're if you're in the software space is am i really gonna get my customer to open another tab and leave it open and use it all day every day. You're you're not just adding value. You're fighting for the user's attention and so i'm really fascinated by the idea of building software. That lives inside different pieces of software that the customers already using so. I say this is really lightweight. I mean you don't really have to build user interface you just send an email to the person the email already has a good whizzy way. Got it or you can attach files. It's got a lot of the infrastructure already built whether you're using g. miller outlook or whatever you just send them an email they send a response back and you you process that response so when i say it's lightweight i i mean i think there's like ideas for building this out into a much bigger product eventually but the first. Mvp of it. I feel like it could be built with just a pretty simple back. End that integrates. With i don't know mail gun or some kind of api to handle the email. I just want to bring. I wanna i wanna lay some smackdown here right up front and i just want to say you've got an incredible company with less annoying sierra incredible name i love that. It's kind of fun but you still manage to make millions of dollars a year with this with this app. Pretty incredible. isn't this like the common developer mistake to make some sort of to do lists. No taking app isn't that just like isn't that it's like one. Oh one you know programmer mistake. Make a note taking to to do to do list app. Would you say that. That's a fair point. I think like. Why is that a mistake and i think the answer is what developers always do. Is they scratch their own etch. They're making a to do list app for developers and it's not that that's a bad business. It's that we've all done. There's just too much of it. I'm taking this from the approach of like less. Crm serves very small businesses. and i'm not talking about startups. i'm talking about like insurance agents and stuff like that. The types of people that probably a lot of the listeners of this podcast don't like think of as a business right they like. It's too boring. Almost resulted the boring businesses. This is an idea that. I think appeals to boring businesses. So yes it is A somewhat competitive space like you're saying but i think there's a lot of opportunity building these tools that are kind of oversaturated building them for not tech startup. People wonder if there's a way to make this without even without in coding and integration. Then i don't know what the maximum plan is on. Unzip your if that would allow you to to send all the emails that you need to send but you could at least test an mvp with something like that and use just friends and family which is one of the recommendations you had and get some feedback before you actually hire developer or build it yourself. Yeah i'm not a no code expert. Although i'd i'd say like intermediate level no coder and definitely most of the components of this. I think would be pretty straightforward to do i. If you could build the whole thing that that'd be a great that'd be pushing the boundaries of what no code could do but possibly within the boundaries the key thing to me is to reduce the friction of it and you're trying to change people's habits whenever you're trying to do that of course people are pressed for time and there may be stressed out about having a present a management or whatever it is it really hard to to try something different and the difference between just a little bit of friction and no friction. It makes all the difference in the success of an app so to me. It's much more important to figure out that aspect of it is than the than the actual back end technical piece because all of that can be solved. Your one hundred percent. I agree the nice thing. Is i mean if you get the email there's not a lot of opportunity for friction here. I don't think you know you get an email in your apply to it. Like i feel like probably everyone can visualize the product here. One thing i want to get to here. I'm actually really excited about. I don't know why. I think because i just did a little research on chrome extensions and things like that. Is that what you are envisioning. Or is it literally. Just you're in your email you write an email back. There's no fancy extension involved It's just kind of almost email reminder service that has some sort of translating skills into specific types of notes or something. I have a problem which i always make ideas bigger than they should be so like. Yes i think it'd be really awesome to have a chrome extension and then like i think you could almost rate this to one day having a crm. Please don't because then you'll compete with me and that makes me sad but like i think you build this into a very robust tool but if you're like i'm going to a hackathon for a weekend i think you could launch something. That'd be useful to people with just an email. No chrome extension. The only interface would be basically. Be you have to authenticate you have to authenticate with their calendar. Somehow like the tool is going to be thinking back and forth with their either google or outlook calendar so knows when they have events scheduled and then it can just send them an email. You know five minutes before the event i. I don't think you need more than that to start. But yes there's a chrome extensions and all kinds of other stuff would be nice ways to spice it up. I think one of the big challenges is how do you monetize it and probably these extra features would be a good way to consider doing that. Yeah so did a little bit of research and the sort of note taking industry. Whatever that that means on the on the sort of website that i found some research it's it's up to hundreds of millions of dollars projected To be up to a billion dollars within the next ten years or so so yeah that that. That is kind of like the question you have. I can see how you have all these note. Taking apps like evernote is a great example. I remember watching the founder of avenue. Evernote pitching his evernote at back in like the late. Two thousands in little personal video. And how cool. This little new thing is a business. It's became huge. And you've got to do is You've got a what's the one we're using a lot lately as we take notion is a big one notion notion is becoming. I never heard about it. Now it's like but yeah. It's so i think it seems where revenue is in is in assisting people to organize a notes or do something cool to help facilitate the notes versus like reminding them to take the notes because it seems like. That's that's where we're at with this. One is the simple. The simple value add here is do you actually take the notes in the first place right. I don't think it needs a all those bells and whistles extra features. I think that the key thing here is making notes useful. So there's the the act of taking in itself but then there's also the active translating it into what are the the next steps. What are the things that need to happen as a result of this. We've all been in those situations where the meeting is running long. And you got back to back bookings and then you look at your schedule. The next and you don't remember what happened during that meeting or what needed to happen and people if there are multiple people on the meeting Someone can remember an action item. That needs to happen. That wasn't exactly what was talked about. And you have all this wasted effort that comes about from not capturing exactly what needs to be done next. So that's the way that i would position. It is if you do a good job this. This app allows you to do good job. Of making the most out of your. You're already investing an hour. Let's say into a meeting. And that's leveraged by five to ten fifteen people's time So it's a lot of time that is being pulled into this meeting and you need to make the most out of it. I like that idea. Latin agree there's a lot of value there. I think maybe that's phase two value. Though i think just people who aren't taking notes taking them is arguably enough value. Add to have something here. And then there's additional workflow and stuff beyond that bridge. I mean just for perspective here again. I work with kind of like old school. Businesses a lot of industries have to take notes for compliance reasons. So for example. If you're in financial services like you've probably never look at the notes there's probably no action items but it's like if i get audited or sued. I have notes or else. I could be legally in trouble here. There's other industries like that. So i was thinking about the online sphere. And why notes would not be as valuable and itself and it's because there are tools like dot. Ai that will automatically transcribe your zoom. Meeting to a decent degree of accuracy is is accurate as you would probably need to remember what's going on and that's fifteen or twenty bucks a month for for that functionality. It's hard to compete with that. On on top of what otter is already doing would argue that transcripts and notes are different things. But you're right hurt for compliance reasons. That's true one just like area of opportunity. I can say things that we all take for granted like does that. They haven't made it to a lot of these industries so maybe maybe a different ideas just resell otter to financial services companies. Because they don't know about it. I keep going back to the maybe overcomplicating it but making a making some sort of a an email extension to that would help people Organize their notes. You know you mentioned people who have to take notes. You know for example in my condo that i live in our board right. They have to take notes and it. It's it is for compliance reasons. Like if you don't take the notes i dunno. It affects the state of status the organization or like various non for profits and part of a guild For piano technicians does an antiquated thing. But again they use these like robert rules of order. And you know you have to call the meeting to order and the president has to say this and that but in they have to take notes. So i see where you're going i think that's a very interesting insight that i think is the crux of this idea that we call to towards the beginning of the episode of not just a note taking app for your grocery list in this is for people who literally have to take notes and you really facilitating. Not that they that they get done. And i would argue. It seems like the value. Add gumming in here is being able to know what they need to take even and helping facilitate that they take the right type of notes you know so his minutes type of notes. You know where you can help them. Gosh i don't know that would be interesting. Actually if you could make chrome extension as you typed in your email. It also kept track of time stamp. You know or an approximate time stab. And so that'd be a huge for time tracking billing. Yeah in an email often does refresh. I believe you know on a on at least a relatively often basis. You know maybe every minute or two so Interested in being able to try to integrate that type of thing into into writing things out in the email. If we're dreaming features here one one that i was thinking about is alexa like feature or google home like feature where you say take action tyler is going to call this customer by friday and automatically captures that separately as an action and whatever app that you're that you're doing that's no way down the line but if you're dreaming about where this can go. That's the that makes me salivate. Yeah i agree. And i want to dig into something you just said which is like whatever app you're using. I think one of the key features of this well first of all i think probably has to be freemium. I think like the basic version of this. You gotta give away for free but you need extra kind of features to monetize it and all these things we're talking about would be great paid features but that other app you're using almost every professional is not going to use this as their system of record is not like okay. My note is in this little micro sas mission accomplished. That'd be enough for some people for compliance and stuff but they really wanted in their crm probably or they wanted and notion or whatever their actual system of record is and that feels to me like a premium feature to say. It's not just taking your notes. It's getting it where it needs to go. And then there's all kinds of automations. Yeah like set a task in that same. Crm or link it to the right contact record because your calendar already has the other context at the meeting on it so it could pretty easily go in and link it to the right stuff and there's all kinds of value adds to connect to the data to where it actually needs to be talking more about icing completely agree with the freemium idea. I think that a another approach that people could pay for is number of meetings. Let's say that you were capped at five meetings per month or ten meetings per month ten seems a little high but let's say five meetings per month enough to get you to build the habit of using it and to get you really seething appeal of using it but not so much that power users are going to just be on the freemium plan for free. It makes me think of slack. I like to rag on the podcast. I have a ton of workspaces that i'm part of in slack and i've never paid for slack and that's you know that's a mistake and their pricing model that that's the case. Chris loves to rag on slack but also loves to rag on me for not using slack which is always confuses. Me but off of slack. You don't use an all. I have that. I have slack and they don't use it the number of times that somebody is like i but i told you on slack and i'm like slack what are you. Oh gosh that doesn't count. It doesn't mean vacation. do use it. But you can't count on me to know what happened on slack basically caveman when it comes to technology though he does not even have phone right now. Do not have mobile phone. I've not had one. Since april lost my phone and i was like i don't need to you know there's this new out there called those a but okay i wanna push back on the slack thing though because i agree with you. There's probably money to be made because you're getting value out of slack and they're not magnetising it but if you look at freemium not as a pricing scheme but as a marketing channel. Maybe it's doing exactly what it wants. You bet these slack channels here and you're talking about like maybe you have one for this podcast. Maybe you have one for some community or whatever. These are never going to be big moneymakers for slack. They could get small amounts of money out of you. But what's amazing is you are spreading it with your friends until someone who's the. Cfo of some big company comes along and buys a ten thousand seat slack account. That's how they make money right. Yeah yeah i agree with that. Let me add to this little bit. One alternative that they could do pricing is you can only be logged into five channels at once. I'm logged into twelve channels right and that's just on a user basis and get rid of the this completely separate from the organization. There are a ton of freelancers out there who were part of a bunch of channels and it would just be. It'd be annoying enough for me to have to log in and out of different channels for me to pay five bucks a month for that. I would happily pay their way. Stupider app is. I am just hitting my credit card repeatedly so i think that's a big mishaps jamie and i think that they're missing the pricing because after they've been bought by salesforce you're getting bombarded with all these fifty percent off a slack upgrade. You know limited time upgrade every single channel. That man is hitting me with this. Message of upgrade premium for fifty percents off so trying to salesforce is trying to figure out how to monetize right now so this is an interesting strategy list. Listener might be interested. Brought by nathan lot. Caa who's kind of grown increasing popularity in the starting a business space over the past several years. He actually he. He recommends has promoted a way of starting a business software. Business that he thinks is relatively simple. You find chrome extension. That has some good reviews. Has a good number of reviews has a good number of of users on it but has not been updated in a year and is a free app and you buy it and all and you put a paywall immediately and all of a sudden after two weeks of using the app or three weeks or whatever it is when somebody gets in the habit you go. It's just gonna be like five bucks a month so if you really want to keep it like you're going to have to pay a fee and the thing is apps like this are built by people who probably don't care about it anymore right like they built it. They thought it was going to be something. Then they got distracted. Did something else and so what you get. You can sometimes get an app like this for maybe a few thousand bucks really and then you can monetize it. You can double down on it and reinvest in the money that you made monetize it. Stop promoting it and on top of that you get a base. You've purchased user base. So if there's you know that can be up to a million people using some app that you could get for you know ten thousand dollars or something like that and now you can start marketing to those people so if you if there's a note taking app or there's some sort of existing chrome extension That is in alignment with starting this type of a business you can actually purchase a user base upfront and then just start slowly marketing to them about that. This is a product that they might be. Interested wanna ask tyler. Let's say to build this idea. You obviously have development shops so you're advantaged in doing so but what would it cost you in time and money to get this idea off the ground. I really don't think it would be much. You mentioned no code earlier. And i don't know enough to say see if it could be. It seems possible that could be done with no cut in which case just do that great But if if we're eliminating that as a possibility there are these services. So the one we use lessening serums called mail gun and it'll send email for you which honestly is pretty simple but more importantly you can. It'll make email addresses where someone can send an email to that address and they'll parse it pull the files out clean it up and then send that to your server. Almost like a form was being submitted. So technically this is. It's pretty easy to handle incoming emails eleven years ago. When left-wing serum started. This was actually really hard and now it's super easy so think you just need. A server is for pretty low low capacity server. There's not a lot of traffic going on here. It's just you get some emails. Come in an and you log. that's one side of it. You need a database. But i mean just anyone who's ever built a web app. This is just like boilerplate on every web app. There's nothing special going on here The only slight complexity i see is integrations are hard and you need to integrate with their calendar for this to work. Well because you have to you have to know in the events are happening so you can send them an email about it. no i think. Fantastical uses kurna fi to connect to your calendar. Okay yeah i didn't know about that. If there are easier ways to do we estimate we have like from scratch. Built outlook and google integrations. And it's a pain but yeah it doesn't surprise me to hear there's easier ways to do it. Yeah i guess if you're trying to do it without spending any money then wouldn't be the best option but they do have unlimited. Api calls for ninety nine bucks a month. Yeah that sounds great and the nice thing about this even if you do it my way the hard way. It's not like we sink full events back and forth recurring event logic. We edits and stuff like that. This is purely just pulled down their calendar and send a reminder email when when an event's about happened as far as integrations got pretty straightforward. I think so. I wanted to bring back this concept of niching into an industry where they really need to take notes digital searching online like is there. Is there a note. Taking app for the legal profession. And i found some articles and they basically just listed existing note. Taking apps like evernote. Or basically whatever's out there that's actually quite fascinating Because if somebody's going to write a blog article like that it probably means there's at least some market for people saying i'm a lawyer. I want some a note taking app but whenever you get people using something that sitting existence. It isn't quite right but that's they use. There's an opportunity there to niche down and offer them what they actually need. I'm curious if we think this is a good option to actually pick the nisha of say lawyers and then and then start marketing to them and really the starts out or maybe even stays a legal note taking app which really caters to the needs of lawyers. For example i think legal would be a good place to start my concern with michigan down as i think. Throw out what i said about. Freemium like freemium kind of requires a mass audience. And i think part of kind of like we were talking about with slack. Part of the ideas a lot of people who may be aren't your target customer would use this and spread the word about it so that you could find those lawyers in those financial service people. If you were going to niche down i think just charge for it upfront and do more of a direct sass play in my opinion. Yeah yeah that makes sense and like you said maybe even more than lawyers something like financial services honestly. I like the idea of corporate government governance and that's just because i have personal experience in this just even with my limited you know founding a company and things like there's a lot of small business owners out there who for this stuff it's like. Oh oh shoot. I was supposed to write something up. And then and then all of a sudden you know you can get some notice from the government. Says like your business doesn't exist anymore or something or you owe some sort of fine because you didn't fill out this thing and to be honest it's it's easy to sell the value then if it it you could even without them even knowing what their counter is and saying. It's this time of year again. You have to have your annual board meeting and you know here's a template to fill out the node sin and that'll be fifty dollars because if you don't do this it's like a five hundred dollar fine or your business becomes a stefan or something like that right It doesn't sound like a bad play. I really like that from When you think about marketing content marketing is my favorite kind. Even though i've never really made it work very well but what you're looking for is like teachable. Moments so that you can write content that educates people and what you just said like so. Many people don't even know that which creates this great marketing channel of like i'm going to write content to educate people on what are the compliance things in your industry. Oh by the way instead of stressing out about about it. Pay me five bucks a month. Your problems go away. It's a critical decision. Point here to whether you're focused on the compliance angle or the productivity angle conversation with alien learner. And she recommended. She said that if you're choosing again she would not choose a market that cost center and i think the confines model is more of a cost center. It's something that you just have to do. And you're going to you know you're gonna pay for it and if you look at it from a productivity angle that could be argued to be a profit center right your team calls if you have a case study. That said your team is going to be fifteen percent more product productive. Something like that would would be. It'd be cheap to pay five bucks a month per team member for for that. Let me throw. It's sort of a third category but sort of a subset of productivity which is being in the crm space something. I'm i deal with a lot. There are few products that are systems of record for businesses. So crm's one that's normally sales customer service. That's their system of record. Erp's going to be the for the supply side and then maybe project management like jira or something like that for probably tech but also maybe marketing and stuff like that. These tools having correct data in there is hugely valuable to the executives at businesses The the director of sales needs notes in the crm and more than just notes needs. What's the expected closed probability. What's the deal size. Things like that If you view this sort of as a productivity tool but also as like a data like accuracy tool which is i like your point about cost center profit center. Having more accurate data is a profit center. I think so. That's another angle to take care. Potentially so that if you had if it was five dollars a month you know that's round sixty bucks a year per per client. There's plenty of people who are starting businesses started corporations avenue to deal with corporate governance. There's quite an audience there. Are we looking at. Are we looking at maybe getting a ten thousand people. A hundred thousand people on a platform like this. I would throw out expand. The audience beyond the corporate folks had attained freelancers. We likely likely to use this. I would happily something like that. Something then made my meeting notes. That are you say that that could increase client retention. Make it easier to create monthly reports. Things like that dead. Some people would be happy to pay five fifteen twenty five bucks a month for something like that. I think you can. You could daydream this as a multi-million dollar your business but i actually think one of the beautiful things about it as a lot of new entrepreneurs you haven't done it yet are better off starting with something a little bit smaller because there's less competition it's easier to sell something like that like the more you if you wanna charge fifty dollars a month great but you have to have something really really good the numbers you're throwing out sound a lot by the way like wings here we have twenty four thousand users paying us about ten dollars a month which comes out to three million a year It took eleven years to get here. I'm sure many companies do it faster than we did but like it can be done and it's a really really long slog. I think the beauty of this is you could launch something in a week and get a little bit of revenue and then from there. You can either say okay. I'm going to start offering all this more sophisticated stuff or you could say great. I've got my first sas under my belt. It's maybe pain enough to quit my day job. If you're familiar with rob walling stair step approach. Seems like a very very unambitious first phase of building software to me. I think you're spot. Aren't going back to nathan laka. Who brought up earlier. I I think it was an excerpt from his book that i found posted somewhere online. But he was making a list of where all his revenue comes from and that very app that he started according to his own theory was a it was ascending later. App chrome extension right. So you're going to your g mail and it's just a thing where you can schedule that it'll said later some some company was. They had that but they weren't magnetising bought it and basically. He grew that to make six thousand dollars a month. You know from no revenue at all basically but he shows how does he make his money and yet he's got the six thousand incoming from that app and he's got some other projects we have success and and yes he does have now like fifty thousand a month in revenue coming in from podcast advertising. And something else that. He's got a real estate investment. That could get overwhelming if you don't know how to manage it all but it is. There's also the cry Diversify who knows if you do have multiple things into your belly. Use it as a practice for later. I think that's an interesting strategy. You have option. You have a lot optionality here. You could expand it. You could have be a small thing you could sell it. That's a good place to wrap here. We can talk about this all day to the listener. Let us know what you think about this said. What do we get right. What are we get completely wrong. What are some different actions steps that you would take. If you attempt this tell us email us update at run with it dot. Fm you might have a chance to get in front of tyler and and maybe even partner on this idea get someone who's been super successful with less than one crm tyler working listeners. Go to learn more about you. Yes so. I'm on twitter at tyler. King the podcast. You mentioned earlier. Startup to last and we are podcast network. Fellows were both in the india hackers network And then yeah. Less annoying dot com is kind of my main my main gig. So that's what i've been working on for the last eleven years and it's been great spending time with you to meet you. Thanks for having me. This is great.

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