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"willow creek" Discussed on The Charlie Kirk Show
"This is in our textbooks, it's in our curriculum, and it is because of a silent church. If the church was forceful and if the church was being salt and light, this thing would never have been able to get out of the gate, okay? But that didn't happen, it is here. So let me give you a couple pointers on how to handle this issue. There are zero genders and there are two sexes. And I say, well, Charlie never heard of that before. Gender is a fake made-up word. It's a New Age term. As soon as we admit that gender is a thing, we have lost the debate. There is sex and that is it. When they introduced gender, they said, well, it's a social construct. It's like your horoscope. And then we all of a sudden played into their hands. Do you notice they used to call it transsexual and now they call it transgender? Just like that, we allowed these guys to take over our language. So again, there are zero genders and there are two sexes. So if you see somebody in your church or they come to you or they say, but Charlie, this is my 22-year-old and he was the captain of the high school team that I sent him to Berkeley and now she is not what he used to be, wears a dress and all that. Their truth. That person is wearing a costume of womanhood. No different than a white person wearing blackface. You do not become the other race just because you wear a costume of the other race. You do not become a different thing just because you start dressing like the other thing. And if we even play into this an inch as Christians, we are surrendering that territory to the enemy, even an inch. Now somebody might say, but Charlie, shouldn't we love on these people? Yes. The best way to love them is to shock them with the truth and to tell them what everybody else is afraid to tell them is to say that you are not a man or you are not a woman. So stop dressing and acting like one. You've obviously been traumatized. You've obviously been hurt. We'll find you help to be able to talk about that and deal with that. But I refuse as a pastor, I refuse as the head of a church to be able to sign off and sit idly by while you want my blessing for you to go take Lupron, which is irreversible damage that will make you on a path and a cascade of interventions that you'll never be able to reverse. Do you know what we're actually learning from some of these detransitioners? By the way, there's over 30 to 40,000 detransitioners now in America. And that list is growing. Just so we're clear, because of the silence of the church, remember, silence itself is evil. Silence is consent. Ten years from now, there will be 250,000 young people regretting, saying, where was my pastor warning me about this? Where was the local guy warning me about this? And they will be without breasts, with hysterectomies, unable to have children, unable to be able to get into meaningful relationships. That number is increasing like you wouldn't believe. There used to be two gender-affirming care clinics in the West. There are now hundreds, hundreds. The pharmaceutical companies look at your children and the children of your church as nothing more than places to make money, to chop off their private parts and minister them irreversible pharmacological agents that we don't even use for rapists anymore, to then put them on a series of antidepressants because then they're an annuity for the rest of their life. For one trans surgery, a pharmaceutical company will make a million bucks a decade. We're talking about 250,000 of them that we know of coming in the next couple of years. But what we're learning from these detransitioners, one in particular, New Hampshire, a young lady, she comes up and she says, and this video has gone viral and I'm going to do my best to paraphrase it. She says, I was a young girl and my parents got divorced and I started to see videos and I thought I was trans and everyone around me was afraid to offend me. So they affirmed me. And they told me, I am who I am. It's my truth. Be true to who you are. And not a single person told me that I might be dealing with something else other than, go get a hysterectomy, go to Boston's children and get irreversible surgery. And she said, here I now at 26, I can never have kids. I missed puberty because I took puberty blockers and she said, affirmation ruined my life. You as pastors have a moral and biblical obligation to not affirm evil. So, almost every single distinction that we see that has been clearly set up in the Bible, the trans agenda goes after. And the other one is that it, there is a fear by some churches and some pastors that there's going to be this massive walkout campaign of their church. And I got to be honest guys, I say offensive things for a living. It's pretty great. There are worse things than having somebody just walk out of your church. Revelation 21 eight, the first people in the lake of fire guys are the cowards. I'm not saying that's any of you. I'm not even saying that's people you know. But don't allow, I mean, one of my favorite pastors says, Charlie, I'm doing everything I can to preach it down to a manageable size and they just keep on coming. And it's actually a paradox. The more you speak the truth, the more the people are going to come in a broken culture. But honestly, okay, let's say that you have a church of 600 and it goes down to 400. Well, then maybe you have a healthier fighting force and a remnant. And if I may editorialize for a second, be careful. This is completely off script. Don't grow your church too fast and borrow too much money. I've seen more churches go in the woke, neutral direction and use the excuse that I have to pay the mortgage. I believe, and look, I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago. I saw the Willow Creek-ification of the American church, okay? And I think Bill Hybels was a very gifted Bible teacher. It's too bad, that whole thing. And so I passively went to that church and I saw the whole thing and they came up with the model, pay down as little as you can, borrow as much money. And I'm not saying don't borrow money, guys. I'm not telling you how to run your church. What I'm saying though, is that there is a theme between some of the weak churches in America. And it's because they're very worried that if they lose 5% of the people coming to their church, they're not gonna be able to pay the bank. They're not gonna be able to pay the note. So prey on them. Maybe if just one of you hear that message, then it's worth saying. So I'll say one more thing and then we'll do some questions. I just wanna just thank you guys for your attention throughout these last couple of days and I hope it's been blessing you. So we're gonna put a slide up here. I'm gonna tell you kind of the story here. So it's been a very eventful year at Turning Point USA. This is our third Pastor Summit. We ran out of space in Nashville. We ran out of space when we did this last year in Coronado. And honestly, we were debating like, do we do another one? And the first two were completely underwritten by a couple of donors of ours. We said, honestly, let's try to get as much sponsors as we can. And all of a sudden we look around, the response was unbelievable. So we decided to do it. And these events are expensive to put on. I'm not asking you for money. If you're able to chip in anything at all, pray about it. It would help us a lot because these events run 700, $800,000. So it's about $800 a person. If you're not in a position to do that, totally get it. I'm not even saying trying to guilt you and do it, but if you're in a place or your church is able to do it, great. If not, then that's fine too. So if you're able to chip in anything at all, we would greatly appreciate it. But we decided to go into our general funds that we have for a rainy day fund because I said nothing is more important than what we're doing than assembling pastors and strengthen the church. And I'm glad we did, by the way. One of the most important things we did. Think about it, pray about it, and we'll end that there. Okay, let's do some questions, guys. And if you want, you can follow the QR code on the screen or talk to any of our staff, and please pray about that. It would help us out a lot and save us some time and energy. Okay, let's get to some questions. Hi, Barry.
"willow creek" Discussed on A World of Difference
"Hello. Today we have another podcaster on the show. Amy Fritz, who hosts the Untangled Faith podcast, is going to be on today. And Amy is passionate about speaking out against abuse and toxic work environments, mainly because her husband worked in a very toxic work environment for the LAMPO group, which otherwise is known as the Dave Ramsey Solutions or Ramsey Solutions. She and her husband live in Nashville. And she found herself reluctantly on a journey as a spouse of somebody who worked in a toxic work environment. And because of the nature of the concept of the crazy spouse, or crazy wife, I should say, which we'll go into the episode in more detail, she ended up getting roped into a very toxic situation herself and therefore spoke out about it, became a whistleblower, and has a podcast called Untangled Faith that was sort of born out of that and another church experience that she had that we'll ask her about as well. But anyway, today, just want to introduce you to Amy Fritz. If you've not heard of her before, introduce you to her podcast. Highly recommend that you check it out. And Amy is very passionate about helping the truth be exposed and helping set people free from toxic work environments and faith-based spaces to find places of flourishing that are emotionally healthy and our series right now. I thought it would be great to have Amy on the show to share her own narrative, her own perspective, so you can hear it straight from her. But of course, she goes into way more detail on her own podcast. So I definitely want to make sure you go there. Amy and I are going to both be at Podcast Movement in Denver in August. So if you're also a podcast host or involved in the podcasting industry, we'd love to meet you. We'll both be there. And anyway, today, I'm just very delighted to have on the show Amy Fritz. Hello, Amy, and a very warm welcome to the A World of Difference podcast today. Thank you, Laurie. It is so good to be here. You've been on my podcast, so it's my turn. That's right. Yeah, exactly. I love how podcast hosts can support each other. And for us, we have so much alignment in the type of podcasting that we do. So trying to make a difference, trying to speak about things that sometimes people don't want to talk about, but the truth sets us all free. So we're going to dig into some good stuff today. And I'm really glad that you're here. You have such a compelling reason why you started your podcast. And I know that probably some of the people that listen to this podcast also listen to yours. There's a little bit of a crossover in the concentric circles there. But I kind of just want to give you a chance to sort of start off by letting us know who are you, why did you start this podcast, and even a little bit of the background of what led you to get it going. Yeah, I think you're right about our mutual listeners. Probably if you were to look up either of our podcasts, like Apple, or say, if you like this podcast, you might like this one, it will probably point to the other one. So I'm happy to be here. Yeah, I started my podcast in spring of 2021. I've been thinking about it for a while. And the name of my podcast is Untangled Faith. And I provide community and anti gaslighting and encouragement for people that have had hard experiences with their faith, like in faith communities. You know, I say, you know, the place where people that have been discouraged are disillusioned in their faith journey, you know, people that love Jesus, they are not done with Jesus, but they're done with some of these trappings that they have realized are not Jesus. And so I had been feeling the I had for quite a while felt compelled to talk about some things that were broken in the church. You know, sort of the the ways that we will, the Willow Creek-ification of churches made me feel a little I just made up that word. I love that word. That is the word. Yeah. That, you know, we turned it into like this sort of business thing. And we were applying all these business principles to church, which can be fine. But sometimes they're not. And so I sort of been thinking about that for a while. Had some weird experiences with some really unhealthy pastors, that we just felt like uncomfortable with, and then realized, like, when things were melting down with him, that the reason why we really didn't have a really weren't enjoying him so much is that he actually was plagiarizing every word of every sermon he preached. And one of his main sources was Mark Driscoll, whom I was not a fan of. Of all the people who plagiarize. It only makes sense that I would be I would leave some of these sermons going, why does he sound angry? And what is his problem? Yeah, he was doing sort of a dramatic reenactment, dramatic reading of other people's sermons every single week, including their personal stories. So he didn't just use like the outlines of their sermons. But if they had a really funny story, or a really powerful personal story, he shared it as his own. Wow. I don't recommend. Yeah, like, the whole charlatan pastor thing is just way more common than it should be. Yeah. And so that I, that was like, I want to talk about this one talk about the problem of plagiarism church, you know, I wrote in my blog, I did some things that way. But uh, around the same time, I started to feel like this tension because in 2012, our family had moved to, like the capital of the evangelical industrial complex, Nashville. And my husband was working for a high profile Christian leader for Dave Ramsey, who whole empire was about selling things to Christians, and he was partnering with people that I felt uncomfortable with. And the more I was paying attention to the things Dave was saying, and the way the way he was, I started to feel like, I don't know, I was feeling like, if I keep talking about unhealthy things, what, what happens to my husband's job? And how and I was having this cognitive dissonance that says Amy, you know, your paycheck is coming from somebody that is probably could easily be added in this list of problematic things that you're working through. But I had also was dealing with betrayal blindness that was saying, oh, you know, everybody is a little narcissist if they lead an organization. And my brain was doing was working over time for quite a while to keep me from seeing how bad things really were just to protect us. Because seeing how bad it was, requires some really hard decisions, and paying some pretty big costs. And we weren't ready until my brain was ready, until the Holy Spirit was like, she's ready. They're ready, Nathan and Amy are ready to see this. And so all of those things were sort of out. So I kind of went silent for a while and talking about things on on my my website, while dealing with some personal things and kind of reckoning what was happening behind the scenes with my husband's employer. And it was 2019 that things came to a head where, you know, there were so many things happening in the evangelical world with high profile leaders in the recent years leading up to that, that were just so terrible. And I just knew, I mean, and I know it was the Holy Spirit that said, Amy, at some point, you know, you're gonna turn on your phone, you're gonna get up in the morning, turn on your phone, scroll through the news, and there's gonna be an article about your husband's CEO. Yeah, and I just knew I didn't it wasn't like this might happen. It was a this is gonna happen. It's all going to come tumbling down. It's not. It's not all great. And I didn't even tell Nathan that at the time. I mean, I shared it with him later, several months later, when we when things kind of hit a fever pitch of us seeing some really horrible things we had to address, whether we're gonna trust them or not, if we're gonna things are gonna work out for us there or not. But yeah, that's sort of all of the trial blindness, right? That's what you're trying to unpack that a little bit more. Betrayal blindness is, you know, the same person who coined the term DARVO, which we talk about a lot on here, which is the whole deny and attack and reverse victim also kind of coined this term betrayal blindness. How did that look for you and explain a little bit more about what was going on the risk that you would take to believe it and the blindness that you were somewhere in your being taking on? Yeah, learning about it has given me so much compassion for my past self and for others in the situation of betrayal. I read Jennifer Freed's book where she is called blind to betrayal. And she talks about this. And it's just really, really powerful talking about how our subconscious says this is dangerous for you to see this. I don't know if you can handle seeing it. So our very self works against us seeing things. And this is a fantastic thing for young children that are experiencing abuse, because their little psyches cannot, would not be able to handle that. Yeah. But there are also times it works against us. And so in, in our case, it was those little red flags that would pop up, you know, red flags, orange flags, all the different colors of flags, where you have to decide, Oh, did I actually see that? Is that actually a problem? And then if, if it is, if I decide it is a real problem, I actually am allowed to like process it, or let myself go there. There is a cost involved in seeing hard things. And the higher the cost, the more your subconscious works against you seeing it. You know, maybe you have a bunch of like, really stressful things going on in your life, maybe with your health, or with your marriage, or with your kids or something. Your subconscious says, we can't do one more thing. We can't, we're gonna like file that away for later. For when things so for us, it was, it just felt like, we couldn't see it. Because our income was tied to trusting that a place was good. Yes. And if we entertain the idea that it wasn't, what do we need to get a new income? Yeah, that's huge. And this pays our bills, pays for our groceries. This pays for our insurance. And so I never want to look at somebody and say, why is Lori still there? What is wrong with her? How come she can't see it? I have a lot of empathy for the people in those situations where the problematic person or place is providing something that that family really needs. I have less empathy for the person with a lot of resources, and a lot of power in the situation that is also harming somebody else. Right. While like, trying not to see the bad things. It's complicated. It is like, and we've all been the bad guys in some ways. And so reckoning with all of the things is really hard. I don't know if I answered all of your questions, but you did. Yeah, it's very complicated. I mean, in your situation, it was a toxic work environment of an employer of a business who is a professing Christian and has Christian products that he sells. In other people's cases, it might be, you know, like a mega church, for example, where you have employees and you also have volunteers.
"willow creek" Discussed on A World of Difference
"That's good. Do you find as you've been working with churches, because I know you've probably been asked to consult with different churches in this process in the time since you wrote Tove, do you find that a lot of churches reach out, but they're really not serious about it? It's almost like a game and they're not serious about doing that deep listening work and really assessing where they've been and being honest. Is that common or not common? Well, I've tried to avoid becoming a church consultant. You know, that's a business and I'm a professor and Laura's a public school teacher, so it can get pretty intense, but more than a few times I have had letters from pastors and leaders who say they're working on Tove when I know they just want the right message to be out there rather than... I really don't think there are many churches that could use the Tove tool and we have, I think there's seven separate sections. Is that right, Laura? Seven sections? I think many are in the circle of Tove. If you do one of these a month in, let's just say, some kind of safe small groups, let's say you have 50 employees and you get 10 little groups of five and they each go through these in a safe way so that they can say what they think and no one's I don't think there's any institution that won't come up short on a few of these categories and those are some things then that those organizations, those churches, institutions, whatever, can begin working on something that can make a difference in their organization and so we think that these will be conversation starters in the Tove tool and let's say discomforting revelations of some practices and some habits that are in need of some attention. But I also think it's unlike what you're going to get in the business world. It's not going to be quite like that. In a sense it's too moral for the typical business world which is going to be a little bit more boilerplate type stuff because you can't get too specific sometimes so I think it really helps. To answer your question, so the Tove tool isn't out yet. It comes out with the book. It's part of the book so we haven't had churches use it yet and I'm really hopeful about hearing about those conversations but we have had, we have met with a number of church, like a church, I'm thinking of a church plant, I'm thinking of a church, a Canadian church that we had a meeting with, I'm thinking of Zacharias Ministries, we met with them. Typically the people that ask to meet with us see toxic patterns and are asking for help. Yeah, right. And are they typically people that can make a change because I think that's always the difficult part, right? You might have a staff member who has a lead pastor who's, you know, whatever version of narcissism on that spectrum that he might lie, you know, and they're, you know, when you're dealing with that you just get fired in retaliation for like, you know, that happened to me, right? So you can't call it out without being, having, experiencing retaliation. So are people that reach out to you often the decision makers or just the ones that notice it, do you think? Well, I think it varies but, and maybe Laura has something else to add here, I think in general it's people who see the problem and want to do something about it and are looking for process procedures, steps, what can we do to, let's say, either, I mean you've been involved in this at a very serious level, what can we do to make this known, to make it clear, what can we do to convince these people that this is a problem? That's the one that doesn't work. And what can we do to help transform the culture? So like we met, we've met with some pretty high powerful people in organizations who were still below, let's say, the board and the board and the president, you know, a lot of these are one-person president founders, they make the decisions. And until that person is convinced that there's need for something to change, nothing's going to change. Yeah, that's the frustrating part for so many people, isn't it? I really do hope that your book gets read by people who are starting to be more self-aware. I know that, you know, Chuck DeGroat's been on the podcast and I know that when you're dealing with narcissism it's a whole other thing and a lot of therapists won't even treat people with narcissistic personality disorder because they just don't see a lot of results of things changing and that can feel really hopeless, both for people on a staff working with somebody like that. And I think, you know, betrayal blindness is a real thing. The same person who coined the term Darvo talks a lot about that as well. And it's something that a lot of people grow up and your wife, Chris, we should bring her in for this part of the conversation because she's the psychologist, but I mean people who've survived because to admit something was going wrong meant they would be out on the street. And in often cases of domestic violence, that's what's going on with us, you know, a spouse. It's like to confront this fact that the person is abusing me means I will lose everything and being on a church staff can feel similar. You'll lose your whole faith community. You'll lose your income. You'll lose where your kids go to youth group. And so I know that you face that with people. And so betrayal blindness is something we use to protect ourselves. And it also is something that victims as they come out walk through a lot of shame about like why didn't I notice it sooner? But there's so much psychology around it. But I really do hope that, you know, for me, I was coming out of that betrayal blindness when I picked up a church called Toe and it's what helped me see. There were so many words in there. So I'm really hoping Pivot will do that for people who are open to the possibility that something's going wrong and that they can make a difference either for themselves or others or both. As you've done your research and your interviews, is there any story in particular that stood out to you that you just think would inspire us to want to make a difference in this area? And it could be a story that ended well or one that didn't end well. Either way, I think that we can be inspired by either one of those to bring change. But do either one of you have a story from your experience of Toe and writing this book that you think is helpful for us? The story of Oak Hills comes to my mind right away. I think so long ago when we were writing Pivot, my dad had this book sent to my house. Well, first he had this huge Edgar Schein research book sent to my house. It was like this. It was thick. And then he sent me a beautiful little book called Renovation of the Church. And I had never heard of it before. I'd never heard of these co-pastors, Mike Lucan, Kent Carlson. But it became the central case study and focus of Pivot because they came to Willow Creek actually for a conference and went back to their church in Folsom, California, Oak Hills. And they created an attractional model based on what they had learned at Willow Creek. And they're not critical of Willow Creek. In fact, they said it worked. We had thousands of people in attendance. Well, as weeks and months and years went on, they started to feel increasingly agitated, like in their spirit. And they felt like our model of doing church is actually doing the opposite. It's not tending to people's souls. We have created consumers. And we put on a great service. And then they called it like a monster in the basement. And then the monster needs to be fed and the people want an even better service next weekend. So I could keep going because that story just it, it really has stood out as they paid attention to what the spirit was stirring in their soul. And they surrendered to it and ended up, we tell the whole story in Pivot or you can just read their book Renovation of the Church. They changed their entire way of doing church. And like my dad mentioned at the beginning, it was really hard. The staff was completely confused. They lost half of their congregation because the congregation didn't want to come to learn how to learn about Jesus and what he taught. They wanted a show. And it was painful. But at the end, they would say it was worth it because we did what we felt we were called to do. And they felt like they just felt so uncomfortable with what they had become.
"willow creek" Discussed on A World of Difference
"It's something from some TV show. Okay, so I when my dad pitched this title pivot, I said, dad, you cannot name this book pivot. That's the famous Friends episode with the couch where they're like, pivot, couch up the stairs, and Ross is shouting pivot, pivot. And being a theologian that he is, he's like, I've never seen that episode. I don't even know what show you're talking about. And it's really a famous, really a famous show. So we went back and forth about that. So true. But it's a great name. I like the name. Yeah, yes. Well, I'll talk about the priorities. But I mean, we can probably each take one. I don't know if Laura has it organized, outlined in front of her. But in a sense, there were like eight or nine topics in the pivot book, and we can organize them by priorities. And we think that this is really important in the business world. I think it's Peter Drucker, who says, cultural eats strategy for breakfast or something like this. And as we were doing the Tove book, I became convinced that character eats culture before it eats strategy for breakfast. So I thought character, character is such an important topic, and it determines the kind of culture that happens. So it's not culture just doesn't happen. Something has to be at work to form a culture. And it will be the virtues and the character. So we we think that one of the most important things that has to happen in toxic workplaces, toxic cultures, toxic churches, institutions, is for a revolution of what matters most. And that is a concentration on character development in the people involved. And this is, this is odd to say, but in churches, this is a revolution, because instead of focusing on individual character development, churches work on productivity and numerical increase. You know, the bees, I think we learned some of this from Steve Carter, bills in the plate, butts in the no butts in the pew, bills in the plate, baptisms in the water, and then I added one, buildings on the campus. Those are the measurements that we use. And we think that Christian institutions, moral institutions, need to start focusing on character. We're used to be can I just say one thing? Yeah, I feel like this goes far beyond churches, too. I'm in I work in the field of education. We hire for first skill. And so you end up having, in the case of Willow Creek, you have and everywhere, really, you have really skilled people. But they don't have the character sometimes to match their skill. Yeah. Yeah, skill. Yeah. And skill, skill is productive. That's, that's, that's the problem with it. So we wanted to, we wanted to focus on character. And we have some things in the book that help people just sort of take character tests and where you can go online to find these things. And but I also think that this is really, it really is going to upset the apple cart. So the book that we told the story of to begin with, is in California with Mike Lucan and Kent Carlson, when they were there. Oak Hill, right, Laura Oak Hills. Yeah, Oak Hills. And they transformed a mega church based on the Willow Creek model that was doing extremely well. It was popular and lines of people wanting to talk to whoever spoke on the platform that weekend, at the end of every service. They decided to focus on Dallas Willard's ideas of transformation. So they quickly reduced their church in about a half, and the budget in about half. The staff were totally confused. Because they were tired to produce their skill. Yeah. And they were, and the two pastors were fumbling their way forward, as they were trying to figure out how to do this. As Mike told me, he said, I wish we had your book before we started. You know, I thought I wish we'd have written the book before you started too. But we didn't know anything about it then. So character is one of the most important things that we think should be emphasized in institutions. Yeah. The second one, I don't know, this is kind of my topic, is power. How every institution, every church has power. People have power. They have authority. Authorized power is authority. And how you use power really matters in a culture, and in a church, in an institution, in a business. And we break it down into four prepositions, I think. Maybe it's three. I go back and forth, depends on which ones I remember. And that is power over is sort of domination. Is that people say, I can tell you what to do. And I'm going to tell you what to do. And if you don't like it, you can leave. You know, that's the power. That sounds like football, military. The second one is power with. And that is when people have the virtue. Well, no, power to is second. That's the influence. You have to recognize that your power to influence people is important. And you don't want to use the power over but you do have the power to influence. Then a power with is where you're willing to move sideways on the platform, allow someone else to be on the platform, or to have other people at the table who make decisions or share leadership in genuine ways. And then the fourth one is power for. And that is to use your power for the good of someone else, to empower them to do what they do. So we really believe that power is one of the priorities that institutions need to start considering much more seriously if they want to transform a culture. So good. Yeah, it is really about character. I hear this so often. And I love, Laura, that you mentioned that it's not just a conversation in the church. Certainly it is an issue in the church and all faith-based spaces. But you work in education. I work in business. Character can make or break a business or a person's career. And we're seeing that happen sometimes. Even here in Silicon Valley, you'll hear things. I don't want to mention any names. But how character affects. It can affect a lot of people's lives if you're a CEO of a big social media company, for example. And how you treat people really matters. How you treat your employees. Do you listen? Listening is something. I work in leadership and development at a global tech company. And our first monthly manager call that I arranged recently with our 300 people that are involved in this call is let's work on listening. This is a skill for the next month. We did a Harvard Business Review video that we watched together. There's different ways to listen. We're practicing listening with each other. In a way, it's not rocket science. But it's hard. And it's not the kind of thing you typically talk about first. You know, you talk about, like you said, Scott, if it's a church context, it's like the butts and seats, the baptisms, the bucks, the buildings of campus. But in business, it's also about profit and sales and products and that kind of thing. But if it's, you know, there's a lot of conversation right now about AI, right, for example. And we're seeing this happen in the strikes that are going on with the writer's strike and the actors, right? It's like, well, ethically, we could just let AI do everything. But it's not ethical to human beings for us to go that route completely, you know? And in business, the way we talk about it is we need to learn to use AI to help us. But we are empathetic human beings. We are emotional human beings. And emotion is good. And it can be used for evil or good. And so as we're creating these emotionally healthy environments, that's not something we can rely on robots or people who act like robots to do well. We need character. We need people first. And so as you've been writing this book, what are some practical steps or strategies that church leaders in particular can implement to create these safer, emotionally healthy cultures where there's psychological safety for people? Assess where you're at. We found that to be, I think we learned that from Shine from some of the research. I don't remember where we learned it, but we learned it somewhere. And it became really, we felt essential to the process of any sort of transformation or character growth was for individuals and at the team level, the organization level, to assess where they're at. So in our book Pivot, we developed a, I don't know what you would call it. It's an assessment. It's not statistically normed or anything like that, but it goes through our circle of Tove, like people first, justice, empathy, truth telling, and it allows individuals to assess where the organization is. So Shine is really big on, you have to know what the problem is before you can just charge forward with any sort of transformation. And you have to be specific about it. So organizations might be able to take our, the churches might be able to take our, we call it the Tove tool, and they might find, okay, we're really good at being empathetic. People feel safe here, but this is an area like, let's say justice, where we're not so great. We've scored low and really, you know, sometimes confronting our own character is the hardest of all. It's really going to take vulnerability and a willingness to listen, but that has revealed itself to be an essential step in the process is knowing where you are and where you've been before you can move forward.
"willow creek" Discussed on A World of Difference
"Today we are welcoming back on the show two guests that have been just very dear in this community and their return guests, Scott McKnight and Laura Berringer, a father-daughter duo who have written a book called A Church Called Tove. And they were on the podcast originally about that book. And now they've written another book as a follow-up called Pivot. And we are having them on today to talk about this book that's about to be released. Dr. Scott McKnight has been on the show. This is his third time. He was on recently about his latest Bible translation called the Second Testament. But many of you know him also as the chair of New Testament at Northern Seminary up in Chicago. He's also the author of many, many books. Many of the favorites that many of you have talked to us about are the King Jesus Gospel. He's written commentaries on James, Galatians, 1 Peter. He was a part of this second edition of Dictionary of Paul and His Letters that we had Dr. Lynn Kohick on talking about. And once again, many, many books that people have loved and read all around the world. But this book is very much anticipated that he is writing with Laura, his daughter, who is also a writer. She's also an elementary school teacher up in Chicago. And she has also been speaking pretty widely about both A Church Called Tove and is getting more speaking engagements now about Pivot. And we are so happy to have both of them on the show today. As you already probably know, A Church Called Tove has affected so many people in some very positive ways to help understand toxic cultures in faith-based environments, particularly churches. And it was born out of their experience at Willow Creek, which is where up in Chicago, a big mega church that has a church planning strategy that's been used by many churches. And so A Church Called Tove was born out of the big sort of fallout that happened when the lead pastor there had many sexual assault allegations. And just, you know, that story continues to unfold. But this book has been very helpful to so many to understand abusive cultures in church environments. And so Laura nudged her dad to write this book as the story goes. And apparently now there's a sequel. We'll see if they have a third. Who knows? But they're on today to talk about Pivot. Also, A Church Called Tove has received a Christian Book Award finalist nomination. And it's definitely it's well-deserved. This book has been read by so many people in this community I know. And we're excited to talk to them today about this next book, Pivot, to see what they have to say about the how of some of this. And it's not just the what. So many of us are asking the question, we understand what's wrong, but how are we going to make it better? So they're on today to talk about that. So a very warm welcome back to the show, Dr. Scott McKnight and Laura Berenger.
"willow creek" Discussed on How I Got Here with Dave Fiore
"At this point, it's you and your wife. And I have two kids. I have Madison, who's the firefighter. She's probably 6 and my son is two. Okay. At this time. So I travel all around, looking at different places, and then some folks wanted to plan a church here in Tallahassee. They called me out of the blue. I mean, you knew them? No, I didn't know them. We were both part of something called the willow creek association. So I was part of that and I had some like I'm a church planner, you know, if any people be liable. They said, hey, you know, we'd like you to come out. And I said, you know, I'm a gen xer from LA, right? And they're like, we know, we know who you are and everything I'm like, okay. So I told my wife and I promised God we'd go through every open door. And so I wasn't going to come. And I told my wife and she hates flying. I said, hey, these people in Tallahassee wanted me to come out. I don't think I'm going to go. And she's like, we promise God, we go through every open door. I'm like, that's right. We promised you're coming with me. So we came here and it was nothing. I never thought I would be called to a city of less than at least 500,000 people. Like I just, I was from LA. LA mindset is very, very different. And so we came out here and I was just it was right when the whole hanging Chad thing had just been resolved and everything and then I saw the university's and I was like, wow, Tallahassee changed the trajectory of the history of the earth, like what happened here, you know, radically what was decided here in Tallahassee the Supreme Court. Arguably, like we would be in a very different place today, worse better. I don't know, but we would have had we would have a very different history if Al Gore would have been president said George Bush. Exactly. I came back and forth several times talking to people and things like that.
"willow creek" Discussed on Live Talk with Dwayne Moore
"Good old fashioned advice. On how to do what you just described within a setting that they are about to experience. When they lead at an Easter time. So what about that service? That's a great question. In the book, I do give some specific examples and you mentioned my experience at willow creek and willow was a seeker driven church, especially on Sunday morning and there are some people that are seeker sensitive, but I don't know. I think George is a secret driven as well was back in the day. And everything was just driven for seekers. It was highly evangelistic every service. And so, you know, you can take that for what it was. But one thing I did, I do appreciate about my willow experiences that the leaders were really gifted at speaking to seekers. And including them. And I learned a lot from that. And if anything, it made me even aware and more sensitive to the idea that there are seekers in the room. And I kind of have been conditioned to listen with the possibility what would a seeker react respond to that. So to answer your question, one of the things that you might want to consider right off the bat is when we do something even a simple as prayer. And one thing we used to say sometimes willow whenever we start to pray is if this is the whole idea is praying is new to you. This is something that Christians do. And we're just talking to God right now. You're welcome to join in or listen in or if you'd rather kind of hang back and watch, that's fine too, but we're all going to pray right now together. And so, you know, kind of make explaining, making it optional, never you don't want to force people to do what we're really not ready to do. But at the same time, make it inviting. And let them see the cool thing that we do. And even this worshiping stuff feels like, you know, you may not be there aren't too many places in our society where we sing except maybe a ball games or something like that. And so just so you know, we're really jazzed about Jesus and we're excited that he's risen. So we're going to sing from the tops of our lungs. And if you see us raise our hands or something like that, it's just because, you know, we're kind of lifting our hearts to heaven and pointing and receiving from the lord his grace and so that's all this is about, love to have you join us. And you're welcome to standard it, whatever's comfortable for you. That's good. That's great. I was thinking about terminology. You mentioned the jargon that we can use sometimes. It reminds me of, oh, this happened about 5 years ago, I was still up in Louisville, Kentucky at a church. I was the worship pastor there. And we were having our big Easter services. And I mean, we had thousands of people that came through our services. So there's this guy that I had been witnessing to, I was young guy, and I invited him to our service..
Making the Case for Heaven with Lee Strobel
"A few books out there that really change your life and change the way you view things. And I remember where I was when I first heard about this book and then I saw the movie and I just give it out to everyone that has questions about the Bible and about their place in the world and the author really his story resonated with me because we're both from the same place the suburbs of Chicago and the book is the case for Christ that's phenomenal and then there was kind of a sequel book, the case for heaven, which is now coming out as a movie. So I'm super thrilled and honored to have with us the author and kind of the mastermind behind it all. Lee's struggle. Lee, welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. Oh, thanks so much, Charlotte. I appreciate the opportunity. I didn't know you were from suburban Chicago. Where'd you grow up? Wheeling and went to willow creek. Come on. And as well as harvest Bible chapel. So we kind of is from the same area. Oh my goodness, I grew up in Arlington Heights, went to prospect high school and I went to my house. So awesome. At the same time, the same type of place. So yeah, it's a great, great honor to lead. Tell us about the movie that's coming out. Well, it's based on my book, the case for heaven, which was inspired by an incident that happened to me ten years ago when I almost died. My wife found me unconscious, calling the ambulance. I woke up in the emergency room and the doctor looked down at me and said, one step away from a coma two steps away from dying. And so I there between life and death for quite a while so the doctors were able to save my life. And this is a very clarifying experience for me. When you get in that kind of position, you really want to know for sure what happens when you close your eyes for the last time in this world. And so I'm a Christian. I believe what the Bible teaches, but I've also got a skeptical gear. You know, my background's in journalism and law. So I tend to be a bit skeptical. So I decided to investigate what is the evidence both inside and outside the Bible that supports the idea that there is an afterlife that we continue to live on. Now that resulted in my book, the case for heaven and then we produced a documentary based on that book is going to be in movie theaters coast to coast for three nights only April 4th, 5th and 6th.
"willow creek" Discussed on All at Once
"I don't want to get into what's an elder what's a deacon and all that. But all that to say, they're eliminating the only people that could speak life into them or they cause them to be so anemic that they just dismiss everything they say. And we saw this even in willow creek that had female elders. It didn't matter because the structure was such that the person at the top had all authority, and that's where I think we get into trouble. I was just thinking today about how if we never have women speaking from the pulpit to both males and females. If we never do that in a church, a young girl, which is my case, would never see themselves able to speak and lead and teach, which is what happened to me. And so now that I'm an adult in my theology has changed on that, I'm preaching for the first time this Sunday and it's very difficult for me to I'm dealing with a lot of tension because I've never seen that modeled for me until I started attending the church I attend 8 years ago. And so we just missed so many people who would be great leaders for God's kingdom by not representing them from the pulpit. And so I'm glad that that's my high horse, so. Well, I'll tell you a little story when I was in my late 20s early 30s. I don't typically have a vision of anything like I usually am not a visionary God gives me this vision. But this happened to me. And I had this vision and I was standing in front of a crowd and I couldn't number it. It was a large crowd. It was a large auditorium, and there were both men and women in that auditorium. And at this point, in my walk with Christ and I had been in for 15, 20 years, by this time, you know, walk with Christ a long time. And I lived in a pretty progressive area. I was living in the Pacific Northwest of the time, but in my mind, I thought, I don't understand this vision because I can't do that. I'm not allowed to say anything to a mixed group. If all that crowd was women, I would be okay. So it was perplexing for me. And I was confused. Like, why would God give me that vision if it's supposed to be unfulfilled? And then, you know, I flash forward to being able to speak and pray at the Southern Baptist convention where it was mostly men. And that memory came back to me of, okay, I see it now, but I didn't think that I could ever fulfill it. I thought it was a weird like it was like something dangled in front of me that would never happen. I'm so glad you spoke at that convention. I was there, and that's where I bought your book. And my goodness. Yeah. Girl power. So there's this theme in the Bible that it feels like we just too often skip over it, this theme of justice. I feel like in evangelical churches, we emphasize grace and sometimes cheap grace. A little bit too much. And we don't talk about justice. What is going on in the church that this grace is prioritized over justice and there's not this balance really anymore. And why do perpetrators and predators often receive far more grace than the victims and survivors of abuse? I flat out can understand that. But I will say that I have a literary agent and one of my clients is writing a book about this very thing, and I just pitched it today, so I'm praying that it will have favor out there in the publishing world. She's taking the theme of grace and justice throughout the whole Bible and it's brilliant. And she's coming from a very strong theological perspective and if you put the I think part of it is we haven't put that lens on. So when we read the whole Bible, we don't think, oh, I wonder if righteousness and grace can coexist. And if you read through the whole old and New Testament, you see it all the time. And then if you think, well, do those two exist with Jesus oh yes, they do. You can't have both. And cheap grace at what bonhoeffer coined is grace without repentance. And so I am, I'm sorry, but if someone feels bad for getting caught for harming someone and they cry, that doesn't necessarily mean their repentant. It means they were caught in their sad that they got caught. If they're a pedophile, they have had hundreds of victims. It's the stats are very clear. And so, but they know how to work a room. And so we are more convinced by the tears of a pedophile than we are by the tears of a victim. In your book you say all crime is a sin, not often is a crime. Why is it so important for us to know the difference between that? Well, right. So I often I have to ask God for forgiveness all the time, but that sin is not land me in jail. There's a big difference between going to the lord and getting on my knees and repenting for saying that white lie or trying to say something to make me look cool or whatever versus a human being who constantly spends their life learning how to prey on little children. That is a crime that is different. And there is degrees of depravity and we see it in Romans one, God gave them over. And I can't think of a better example than a pedophile who has been given over to their desires and they continually continually think about how they can perfect their technique so that they can do it more and more and more. It's why we see with Josh Duggar that the images that he downloaded were can't even talk about them. Just so depraved. One of the things that I really appreciate in your book is your push to share stories and to report abuse report crimes because crimes are criminal and they belong with the police not the church. But that's really hard to do and sometimes reporting abuses risky. Why is that? Well, first of all, say we have to. If it is a minor. So if you know about a minor being harmed, I don't care how uncomfortable that is, you have to report it. It's the law you have to. And even if it's not the law, I think it's the law of love. You have to, because they can not defend themselves. Where it gets tricky is when you have an adult person who has been harmed by somebody else and now we're talking about volition. And you don't want to go behind their back and tell their story for them. That involves a lot more nuance and conversation and support. So you can say things like, wow, that's terrible. Have you ever reported it to the police? Have you ever felt comfortable doing that? No, I don't want to, or whatever. We need to respect their right to do that. However, if they're 12 years old, 15 years old, we have a we have to report it. Yeah, for sure. There's people have all kinds of opinions about should victims be pushed to report or should they just be supported in whatever their decision is or and then there's the whole other side of that issue or sometimes they're silent. So they're told not to report because the ruined grandpa's life, right? The reputation of the perpetrator. But yeah, every situation.
"willow creek" Discussed on MyTalk 107.1
"Had a good show. So far. A couple of emails have come in. You're ready to just comment on that. So someone wants to know if you've investigated your new area. The strip mall next to the Willow Creek Theater has the tea house, a Mexican place, a Russian place and a Russian grocery store. Yes, sir. I never been in the Russian restaurant, but she wants try it. Oh, yeah. No, it's great. No, it's super great. In fact, that is the original teahouse. Let's be clear that that is the original teahouse. The teahouse Chinese teahouse. That's that's where they had like a special session on menu If you knew how to ask for it, the MAPO tofu there is out standing to check that out the Willow Creek, so it's close to, uh imagine. Yeah, it's the imagine will across which they have food there now and but, you know. I had They had a case idea that I did get imagine that was okay. But I usually used to go to. We used to go to tea house and get like fried rice and then stick it in our bag and smuggle it in. Think I remember that for a big food? Uh, okay. Hyon. Other question. Can you add protein powder to instant pot yogurt? Do you think it will change the texture or taste good at the end? I add honey and then extract I would not add protein powder to your yogurt in the instant part just added afterwards, Boom done answered that one. Ah, let's see what else I think. Okay, I think I got them all. Did you hear? Um, that Laurie wants us the next time we were at QuikTrip to try the cinnamon rolls. Oh, okay. I'm all about quick tips, Cinnamon rolls. We have a call on the line from Daniel. We'll go ahead and take it high. Daniel, how you doing? I'm doing great. I have a question. In the most recent, UH, Cook's Country magazine, The Great article about a restaurant in New Orleans. Run by Vietnamese couple. It's a mash up of Vietnamese Asian food and traditional New Orleans. Um, Cajun type food? Sure. It sounded really good. Yes, And I'm wondering, Um Is there anything like that? That would be Um And Asians slash Cajun food. I will tell you that there are actually quite a few places around that are doing sort of a Viet. Um, Cajun seafood boil, you know, kind of an idea. Uh And there's because that was in. There is a big tradition on there because they had so many Vietnamese immigrants that sometimes you know, having those spices and stuff in the in the seafood boils actually grand catch If you go to the place in Saint Paul, which is some Iwata's place, but they do a seafood boil, and they have a specific version of it that you can pick. That has this really gorgeously aromatic Asian spice blend in it. That's lovely. Oh, okay. Okay. Thanks very much. I had that actually at grand catch, and it was awesome. And there's a couple other places just to be clear. There's a couple other like, if you just do Vietnamese seafood. Crawfish. You can find those places. I'm trying to find them for you right now. But anyway, right now, But yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm young. Um, someone else was chastising me for And maybe rightly so. That when we say horny does I pronounce the H that it's just supposed to be or Nieto's, which I hear you. But I also am trying to pronounce it in a way that I think most people who would go into a liquor store would see it and understand it. So sometimes we make compromises, just for the sake of trying to give our sponsor the best opportunity to be seen and purchased. I just I want to. I want to did hear you do want to just make sure that I get this out. King Cajun boiling seafood in Saint Paul or Cajun boiling in Minneapolis. Those are the ones you want to get because they have the Vietnamese and the Cajun flavors to cash. That sounds good, doesn't it Right now, Cajun and noodles in Woodberry. There's a lot there's a lot I love it. So you're like the smartest person we know when it comes to those kind of things. You just rattled off, like four places. Well, I googled. I know, but you knew enough to know that they exist and where they are, and there's a couple opening. There's one opening in Saint Paul that I wanted to find. But I can't find the name of it like an article about that, Please. I wrote it. It's uh, it's in 2018. I wrote about grand catch, and I wrote about how the Vietnamese and I'm gonna look because it was part of ugly, delicious one. David Chan did that thing and it was like understanding And it actually ties back to that conversation. We were having about assimilation, food and about how you know, like people come to an area and then they have to. They bring their traditions from the past. But they have also the traditions there, and they blend it all together, and I love it. And where do you get the ingredients like some of this stuff just isn't super easy. I'm excited to like, bust out the slow cooker. Get the instant pot going. I've got two weeks of camping food ahead of me, and there's no pressure because I don't have to, like cookbook camping food? No. So I'm just like taking a break, and then I've got the final push. Which old boy I'm sorry for you having to be with me for the next three months. Okay, Now you know what to look forward to. Yeah, it will be, uh, you know what? I mean, Though Everybody's like, I hopefully, we're getting into a space where we're gonna be doing apple orchards. Excuse me, we're going to be doing. I just talked to Gretchen. It Sweetland Orchard to re up. We did Did a podcast call for catching up? Yeah, October The makers dinner that we have at the Lexx has sold out. So we're doing another one in October and Sweetland or church is going to be featured. Great and she is so interesting and amazing. I know..
"willow creek" Discussed on WBUR
"Did this happen? And what would it take? Finally to be together and equal WN Y sees program, The United States of Anxiety has been taking a very close look at how those questions have played out in one small school district. The sauce. Alito Marin City schools in California reporter Marianne McCune began visiting the district about two years ago. One of the schools is a charter. Willow Creek Academy. Just picture foggy slopes, trees. Instead of a big old school building. Little bungalows around the field Classic Bay area. The first time I visited the charter school, the board president showed me around. His name is Kurt. Wind timer. Do you want to look into into a classroom? I'll see what the place had a really idyllic feel. They have this French chef. Marvelous. Yes, Please come get some stage every morning to announce today's lunch menu. Kids stable your Shefki on today on the menu, seasonal fruit, we're gonna know we're watching. Currently, Dylan tells me he loves watching the kids react to the food options. It'll be like today. We've got cauliflower and everything. But I have to see what was most striking about my visit was the diversity in the classrooms Less than half the kids here are white. So there's a mix of black white Latino Asian. Many recent immigrants it it is integrated and inclusive, and that's their day to day life and economically to. There's a real mix of family income levels here. More than a third of the kids are very low income, which is saying something given where we are because Willow Creek is in Sausalito. This is a small town and we're talking like Around 7000 people. It's overwhelmingly white little hippie lot of multimillion dollar homes, but almost half the school is from another neighborhood Marin City. It's tiny, too. It's half the size of Sausalito. But There's a big public housing complex there. There are also more affordable apartments. It's not majority black anymore, but it's a real mix of people. And that neighborhood is the reason we're here because over that neighborhood is the one other school in the district. It's about a mile away from Willow Creek. It's not a charter school. It's the regular public school. And it's called Bayside Martin Luther King Junior Academy on these two schools and the 500 kids who go to them are now at the center of a big controversy here in California..
"willow creek" Discussed on Real Faith Stories
"It's made and i got to see all the cutting edge new things that the hadn't really been tied into working for myself on really felt like i was getting an education or in a same things that would be valuable to me. Moving forward. everyone noticed that increase in dry than and which was good. They were pleased wooden just sinking way. So you got out of the hospital. You start to recover and then something happened with respect to your work. Tell me a little bit about that. I went back to work and all of a sudden. It didn't have quite the interest or the allure of problems that we would try and solve. There were so small compared to what i felt like i was being called to solve and really felt like i needed. Occasional shift can thought it through my head that i could start knocking doors on more traditional nonprofits or organizations that that can have solution oriented things community in their focus. So i went up to my desk. That first step of faith that i was hearing from god correctly you remember desk calendars the big jump ahead of paper. That's where i wrote all nine notes for coming that weaken monthan. I flipped three pages three months in the future. Look the day that fell right. In the middle of this calendar natwest wednesday june eighteen. This would still be believed least two thousand eight at the food and i circled that day with bright orange highlight highlighter and didn't write anything in it because not everyone knew that i was planning to work myself out of that job and the days and weeks went by and the friday before that last route gotta call a morning ramp up of all the equipment we had diamond cutting saws different types of producing equipment hand. We had a re-circulation pump. There were the life blood of the entire facility hand the pun was not pulling water is not operational shutdown everything. That's lucky lucky thing. I'm still here. Because i know a guy that knows everything about pumps. I didn't know anything pumps. But i knew and i called a friend i will calling for months. We had gun together in product decades. He was as friendly high school type. Guy owned a big pump company. And when i called it was mid morning. Beautiful day friday. He was in his office and the secretary of the leave a message. And i said absolutely. I said hey. I don't have you know what's happened to me through the loved reconnect. Negative line for something so when you get this message to me call and love. Your of didn't hear from him that day. Saturday went by rent by monday morning. Hit my phone rang. Rarely it was him that the story behind it. He had come to a point he had been given a palm specification list at a will agree chicago a church in chicago and he because he was a pump distributor. They thought this thing he thought to lack for south confidence kinda got but he starts looking case pumped it could fulfil this humanitarian need and there was nothing on the market and that sunday he got together with a going to be starting board directors. Just informally and said. We can't find what they're looking for. So i think we're just gonna tell them. We struck out and this older gentleman that wisest man. I think i've ever met outside. My father said wait a second. There's gotta be another way and the remainder hump company said Design something from scratch and everyone. Yeah let's do that. Just the media lists the ducks. That was the dumbest could come up with something new. It's an old industry. Everything going to be tried has been tried and then he said that i do know i do. Not one guy. The designs products for living. He said all at least giving the chatto monday. Pause here and summarize so you're circulating pump that basically is the lifeblood to keep all the equipment cool dies at your work. You reach out to this gentleman that you've known but haven't talked to in years and at the same time. Unbeknownst to you. He has had a meeting with willow creek and they're talking about a pump for humanitarian purposes to use in africa to pump water out of the ground and you have a message waiting for him and he has already thought of you and didn't even know you had called previously with a totally separate issue. Right exactly what happened next. He had the blinking light on his thumb that he had a message so he took that message. I and it was me and it freaked email. Serve we call me just crazy data project. I need help. I think it's right up your alley. Issued got the hartford at mead. Meet with you and i think i was busy that day. He was out of town the next day suit wednesday. Let's not push it. Any further works perfectly so we hung up with destination in time agreed upon the incredible honor walking into my office sitting on my desk and riding the time place and the the guy inside the box. I had circled three months ago so it didn't being honest. I mean if. I had been really spiritually attuned right then. I probably would have come undone that. I didn't think it was that that much out of the ordinary two days later we met at a restaurant in key availed a list of be ten parameters on what this organization in chicago wanted to see and some of them were.
"willow creek" Discussed on The Faith Experiment
"Foot of the This is the faith experiment with robbie bug right across the street layout right here on fake. Listen live always in light up. Get the faith of them up from your app store today. Welcome back to the faith experiment. I'm your host. Robbie bergen and this is episode twenty four of the fact experiment. And i'm calling this episode the impact of biblical. How many weeks and coming up on. Today's show the code word to get the guide on today's topic so before the break i introduced you to out theological family tree and we started by looking at the root of this tree which we're calling the hebrew or jewish origins. Now if you wanna see info graphic of this family tree that up prepared text. The code codeword hash f. e. two full info takes hash efi tufo info two opel triple eight four five. Three double one. That's four triple eight. Four five three. Double one in the sms. Spot will send you a link to an info graphic which will help build this theological family trait so back to our theological family tree in thirty four d. There was a split from the jewish roots and this new branch became known as christianity. This was the start of a new theological family tree and the main reason for this split was because of their theological differences of who messiah or christ was the christian soul that all the prophecies of the old testament pointed to a sacrificial messiah a lamb of god and the christian soul that was jesus while the jewish people rejected that interpretation. They saw that the old testament prophecies were pointing to a messiah. Who would come as a conquering king. Breaking the roaming. Yoke from north. The nick and so these christians held to the same beliefs as the jews with only but a major theological difference. Being that of the understanding of the messiah and the fulfillment of that being jesus christ so the next theological shift took place around five hundred thirty eight ad. This was when the bishop of rome was given all the power by emperor justinian and in this union of church and state that soar the ultimate end of the imperial roman empire and the formation of what became known as the holy roman empire. We see a creation of now two flavors of christianity. They were those who were a part of this new church state system and those who rejected the idea that the church should be controlling the state and these two views led to an ultimate war which we know now as the dock ages or the papal persecutions again a theological difference was at the root of this split. The next major split took place in ten fifty three and this split has become known today as the great schism of ten fifty three. This was the split. When the east and the west of the holy roman empire split the split led to the creation of the greek orthodox in the east and the roman catholic church in the west. You see the east or the greek orthodox. They didn't believe that one man should be in control of the church. They believed it should be a council whereas in the west. They said that the pope was god's representative of there was also theological differences on the teaching of eucharist and also the date for easter. These also has enough theological differences to create a nutri tree. Then in fifteen seventeen martin luther who was a catholic theologian. He discovered a major theological difference regarding the method of salvation between what the roman church was teaching and what the bible actually taught and he had hoped to reform the church's belief so that it would ultimately be in harmony with the bible. But as we know from history that failed and instead this led to the start of a great protestant reformation and the establishment of the lutheran church. Again oh ju to theological differences nixed in fifteen twenty five. A new branch began called the anna. Baptists they held to exactly what martin luther believed and the lutherans but they soaring scripture that. You actually had to be a believer in order to be baptized and not just christened as a child. And while the lutherans reject this the anna baptist held onto it and this created another split with the anna baptists becoming the new branch in the family tree and in fifteen thirty four. A new split occurred in the roman church family. This time in england and this was either the theological view of divorce and remarriage. This split resulted in the formation of the anglican church identical to the rim church but with just enough theological difference to create a new branch in the tree and then in fifteen thirty six added. The lutherans came another branch called the cavernous. The calvin is soul that even though is saved by faith in grace alone that there was biblical evidence that suggested that once being saved we needed to live holy lives they also taught that being saved and being lost with predestinated and this was enough of a theological difference to create yet another branch in this tree and then in sixteen o seven a group which became known as the baptist came out of calvin us over the issue of baptism similar to the anna baptist. But these were mostly in the new world or the americas and a few years later in sixteen seventy one. The seventh day baptists came out of the baptist family tree they held to everything the baptist tour but they arrived at a different theological position on the keeping of the seventh day sabbath then they baptist friends did and so all of these theological differences so does enough of a difference to create new family trees than in the sixteen thirty s. The congregation broke away. From the calvin us and in sixteen ninety three. The amish broke away from the anna baptist. After they arrived the united states the main difference was due to the theological position. That technology was of the devil. And so even today you can find the amish. Still using the exact same technology they had when they arrived in the united states and then in seventeen thirty eight out of the teachings of john. Wesley came the belief that there was a need to revive the anglican church in england and that they was a need for transformation of christian life they designed to bring the reformation into the church of england but as history tells us once again. That didn't work and so came for another family. Cold the methodist church next the eighteen a one source split from the baptist church a group who call themselves the church of christ. They were similar enough to the baptists but enough difference to start a new family tree and then in eighteen. Thirty s out of the congregation. Lists out of the baptists at of the seventh day baptists and out of the methodist came a group called the adventists and their main difference was in regard to the timing of jesus's return. You see all the churches of the day taught that jesus would only come back a second time. After the earth had achieved a one thousand year peaceful reign but these adventists soul from the bible that the prophecies indicated that jesus would return before the one thousand year period not after then in nineteen. Ninety-one one came the pentecostals methodists. They saw the church is being too formal and that there was a need to have the baptism of the holy spirit which they say is only evidenced by speaking in tongues and performing signs and wonders. The knicks brunch and family tree comes in eighteen thirty the moments they came into existence when a man called joseph smith find someone golden plates with some strange inscriptions on it and he translates these into what's become known as the book of moment and this book of mormon is believed to replace the bible because the bible that you and i have is corrupted. What's interesting is that these golden plates. Which are the basis of the translation of the book. A moment have never been seen by anybody else. Other than joseph smith. The knicks margin. Fm tree comes in eighteen. Seventy the jehovah's witnesses. They came out of the congregation list. And the baptist with their focus being on outreach and then around eighteen eighty the salvation army came into existence with a heritage from the methodist church and just out of interest the willow creek come from the congregational as family and hill song come from the pentecostal family now. Once again if you'd like to see a visual an infant graphic of this family tree. I've prepared one for you. So if you text this code word hash efi twenty four info or one word. No spaces hash iffy. Twenty four info texts that to ozil. Triple eight four five. Three double one. That's four triple eight. Four five three double won the sms. Bought will send you a link to the info graphic. Which will really help you. Visualize the illogical family tree so you see. Every time there has been a split in the family tree it has always been over how the bible has been understood and the fundamental reason of why there are so many different denominations is because.
"willow creek" Discussed on Leading Saints Podcast
"Staples and davis smith may sound familiar to you because they are both former guests of the leading saints. Populists really dynamic leaders will link to those interviews so that you can have an opportunity to go back and listen to those as well because they are worth. Listen but we've been in touch. Ever since then and i found out about some things. They've been doing their stake to help the youth with a building and fortifying their testimony just gaining a deeper understanding of some maybe difficult doctrines and a church history topics that sometimes take people out of the church. And what they're doing. I think is phenomenal. And so i want to share it with you. So here's my interview with president. Joe staples david smith and alan matheson. Today i have the opportunity in sandy utah at the sandy utah willow creek steak with their stake presidency. I think this is the first time about complete. Stake presidency on the podcast. This is pretty cool. Even when i was in a state brenston. Give me the time of day to do this. So this is we have president. Joe staples davis smith and alan matheson and joe and davis. I wanna call you by your first name. So i hope you don't know i wanna be protocol hair but anyways you both been on the podcasts and Great interviews the night will definitely linked to those and make sure people know about them and Alan you're a newbie. here right new guy. but i'm looking forward to it. It's always good to be with you offline today what you do some fresno state will just give us a rundown of the stake in two minutes. What would you say three unless the tube in erfurt thirty seven hundred members eight wards and dependent branch the dependent branches part of an assisted living facility. What are the other unique. Things is of our eight. Units one is a mid singles ward and stake was established. Nineteen seventy eight. That's alright lake. Seventy are you around light seven but filled with just wonderful great people. Yeah that's great awesome and you. We've been in touch ever since we did that. Initial interview with you and I'm always looking for just unique approaches that stakes or wards or doing leaders are trying to implement especially during times where there aren't familiar. You know like a shutdown or a pandemic and so you told me an approach you're doing with With some of the youth a youth focus with. I guess it's more part of a overall approach to helping those that. Maybe you're being questioned their faith. And how can leaders better minister those individuals and help members better minister to them so or should we got this discussion. Let's start with the With what we did with the youth we did a set morning sides and maybe davis. He was the origin of how didn't come up with the idea again. Whoever we got the idea probably didn't come up with the idea either but Maybe have you just share where we got it go so first of all when we got called a stake presidency. President staples had some strong impressions round areas of focus and one of them was around helping people with faith challenges and so we started reading a few books together and really really enjoyed that actually We read a book called planted by patrick mason. Land it is a great one and then we read a book. Called bridges ministering to those who questioned by david. I know you've interviewed david austin and you've probably interviewed just to fantastic books that we really enjoyed and we had an opportunity to have lunch with a few other folks with patrick mason. Waist spoke and we all went together and that was a lot of fun and when we were chatting with him after the lunch we asked him the question about. is there. anything that you've seen other stakes do to help those. That are struggling with their faith. Or maybe something we could do with the youth and he mentioned a stake in california. That was believe it was california it was basically holding a morningside for high school. Seniors teaching the gospel topics essays and when we heard that yes we all looked at each other like that. Revelation confirmed right. that's cool. That's how the origin of of the initiative and allen. Maybe you can. You can take part of his as far as just give us the basic structure of how these things you know. How often window who comes. How do you invite him. Those things where we started this last year. So we've been through one round and we've taken it up again this year but our focus has been on the high school seniors. The thought that we wanted of a smaller group a group that we could meet with in a setting. that would be comfortable. We meet with them once a month on a sunday morning at seven fifteen so it's a test of their faith in ours to do that either in bad or in our morningside don't have another conflict. That's right and learning from savior's example of the lows in the fishes. We started by having breakfast forum understanding that when they've got something to eat they're more likely to be there and and comfortable that hasn't happened. Of course since kovic hit so really our our first couple of sessions. We were able to do that. We've had five sessions each year. We try to do it those five months before they graduate and The ideas that will answer some questions. They inevitably will face when they get out on missions or in college or other places in the world and want them to be prepared to know that they're there are faith-based answers to some of those questions to just quickly hit on how we invite them. We've worked with bishops to identify the the high school seniors. Those that would be appropriate to invite and this year with covert. We've done a little differently because we can't meet together at presents staples home for breakfast. We've gone out on the saturday before and dropped off a little package with some chocolate milk and a bagel or something and a little reminder of the meeting and extended a personal invitation to those seniors to be there the next day awesome. That seems to have worked well so before. How would you not come right. If i took the time on a saturday to bring you breakfast for the next day. There's an obligation the and it's even like the opportunity of them in the eye in handing him the bank on saying listen. We we really want you. There goes a long way. So i know where you live. So before covid healthy your house then to death and in your state there's maybe fifteen seniors. I don't know how many there's probably about thirty. Okay sir more. there's a little more. I think we have close to sixty but a handful of those are from families. Some of them have not been baptized from families. That are less on the records. Right so i think the active probably around forty and have about close to twenty the show show which is k- pretty remarkable seven fifteen in the morning on a sunday. Yeah and i'd like that in. I mean i think there's a there's a benefit of holding it in a home like this with twenty people are some energy. They're you're not in this church that.
"willow creek" Discussed on KLBJ 590AM
"Jeffries and on prior Yeah, jumping at 51283605 91 of mess on the interstate. Ln the morning telling you, Yeah, bring your patients and find another round. Just don't even try your patients. Listen, Austin Police are investigating multiple suspicious deaths across this city. We got a real problem this morning. Boston Police have been very busy and people all over the city around high alerts this incident in northwest Austin. Is the third shooting in less than 24 hours, and investigators need help solving this crime. Police say someone shot a woman and two small Children in the 4100 block about bowling lane and said Northwest Austin is happened Late last night, Police received reports of multiple shots fired investigators. They now say that this was a targeted act of violence, and they believe the suspect in the victims knew each other. Here's a quote from Corporal Marcus Davis. He says the suspect is currently outstanding. We believe we do know who this person is, and we're managing our assets in resource is trying to locate this individual. All three suspects are subjects that is were transported to a local hospital. Investigators say the woman and both Children are expected to survive. Police say they responded to two suspicious deaths this week as well. Late Tuesday, Officers responded to a report of shots fired about eight o'clock at the villas at the Mueller apartment complex, their own made a road and when police arrived, they found a man unconscious on the ground, and medics were not able to save him. Police have not released information on the suspect in that case, but they do believe that it's also an isolated incident. This is the shooting marks the well. Austin's sixth homicide so far this year Now, officers also found a man dead inside his car near Willow Creek Drive in Southeast Austin. Witnesses describe The blue SUV fleeing the scene around the same time, so they're looking for somebody that may have shot somebody then took off. Officers were still, you know, talk to the witnesses on that one. So, man, the police ball bladder is full this morning and to put in perspective When you say this is the sixth homicide this year listless be specific it That would mean it's the sixth homicide in a month. On show. Um, is that a lot? Is that a lot or it was that kind of Ah, normal thing. Are we just hearing more of this? This wave of of shootings and deaths? Yeah, I think that's a lot. I think that that is way out of Norma. And yes. Oh, Police are actively looking for a couple of people. It doesn't look like these three are related at all. But they did happen in less than 24 hours. And then I'll tell you just, Yeah, just reading about a shooting period. Whatever it is Seems to be Maura and more routine in in this town for for whatever reason, it's certainly more justification that de funding police because you know more of an example of how it's probably one of the worst ideas ever floated in the history of Austin. Got that, right? In fact, we're gonna hear from the governor a little bit more coming up at 705 on that front. Give it a Greg Abbott continues to take aim at the Austin City Council's policies on de funding police and homelessness. We'll get into that coming up, and I've started feel really sorry for the folks there on I 35 this morning, ma'am,.
"willow creek" Discussed on 90.3 KAZU
"Ew dot or g'kar. Good afternoon. I'm Erica Mahoney. Highway. One closure points have been adjusted driving South Highway One is now closed at the vicinity of South Coast Center near post Mile 34. A traffic controlled checkpoint. There will be staffed 24 hours a day to allow on Ley residents to pass. Beyond that. Caltrans crews continue to assess damage and begin initial repairs at Rat Creek, where the storm washed out a section of the highway. Creating a 150 FT. Chasm in the roadway. Crews are also working at other spots along the highway, clearing debris and land sides about 60 locations were impacted by storm damage. Beginning at six tonight. The Southern closure, which is currently at ragged Point will be moved north to Willow Creek Road Post Mile 11 Point to the closure effects over 20 miles of Highway one in Big Sur. Sponsorship of this KZ you traffic report comes from S e 41 furniture and mattress on 41st Avenue and Soquel and online at SC 41 dot com. Coming up on all.
"willow creek" Discussed on Halfway There | Christian Testimonies | Spiritual Formation, Growth, and Personal Experiences with God
"There was a time and it's still embedded in the roman catholic tradition which is just just as distorted. I had quite a bit of stuff about the catholic church in my book are in this book that we wrote a parts that i wrote. And the editor didn't want him in there. Because he said evangelical Are just going to dismiss the evanger local stories because they can say well. Catholics are worse. So there's there's plenty in there but they have had A rigorous process of working on a person's character so that they become humble and submissive before got. They've tried to turn it into process. Say the ignition way. yeah The examined process and the benedictine process of aura libra. All those things are are attempts to work into a person's character so that they become what we are calling tove But i i think that this is the work of god's grace the work of the spirit and it is going to be characteristic of some people and not others and we need to develop skills of discernment to see people who will lead toward toxicity and people who will lead toward tove and I think some of these things can actually be recognized by discerning wise people. But that's no guarantee that every church is going to have those kinds of people selecting become their pastor. One hundred percent agree with that. I think we've got to make spiritual maturity our highest qualifications not nuts education not experience. Not how many people you can draw in our how well you can stand up. A platform and intent entertain people for forty five minutes. Or what are you about the. I'm curious what your take on this. Well i remember feeling really frustrated with willow creek. Because the elder i forget his name he got up on stage after i dunno. Let's say the story broken march. Maybe this was june or july and he announced that they have new processes in place so for example one of the prostheses sees was every time. There's a man and a woman together on employees will have a third party with them so it was like those were the solutions to the problem. The fallout of the power abused and the sexual harassment. And i remember just feeling frustrated and felt very. It felt very empty. And i remember my dad and i having a conversation about this and he dad. You said something like it's not about having like a process or procedure. It's about the character of the person and it was like willow creek was skipping over of that and landing on these formal procedures for men and women working together successful laid. Think about this. If if a if a pastor wants to have an affair with a woman in the church he's not going to have that kind of conversation with someone else in the row is gonna find read. She is going to find. They are gonna find an opportunity when they're law and you can do that. You can't be monitored every minute.
"willow creek" Discussed on NewsRadio KFBK
"It's appropriate to have Scott on right now, right after New Year's. Now that About 99% of the people on the planet Iran Diet. So let's see what he has in store for us. Good morning. Good morning. You know, I usually start out with a new year's something with black eyed peas or diet or whatever, but this time I went. I went duck hunting with Jake. We want with our friend Brett Butler of the district. 10 did really Well, Jake heads back up PICO and says, Dad, What am I gonna do with all these ducks and geese? So in spite of the fact that my son Jake, who's 23 now, and we announced his birth on the show 20 years ago. Accused your name naming him after a young turkey. Remember after a young turkey, right? So I sent him up Chico and talking through how to make a giant batch of Duck and goose stew. So I've got a spicy goose stew recipe that's on the sporting Chef website. But thing is here's There is one of the problems that he ran into. He brined it. And you and I have talked about Brian's forever. Never never You know the basic Brian a gallon of water cup each of kosher salt or any kind, of course salt and brown sugar. And so even though I told him make sure it's coarse salt, not table grind, Fine. Grind salt. What did he do? He used the fine grained salt. And so he said, Dad. My stew was really spice or was really salty, which help venture there's some people that have listened to the show that have had the same results because when you when you use a coarse salt right there bigger grain, so there's more air space in between the salt, so you're not getting as much salt in a cup. As opposed to the concentrated fine grind table salt, right, huh? I got you. So So when you do, bro, and you want to make sure that you cut back on the salt that you season it with, if you do happen to use Table salt by mistake. You've been still soak it in cold water and get some enough salt out. But anyway One of the great ways to use up a whole bunch of ducks and geese. If you're lucky enough to shoot him is to make a big pot of stew and you can freeze it and patches on what I do is I put it into a Ziploc bag. Freeze it and then vacuum seal it after it's been frozen. In that way, you don't worry about the juice coming out anyway. Back to this crew. So brown, Absolutely Brandon Upson, Dice bacon. You said bacon grease sooner have done the same thing with twinkly star. You want to get the grease in there? Takes and chunks of ducks, geese. Mixed bag doesn't matter Brown it really good throw in some chopped onion, celery, carrots. If you want it spicy. Put it a little jalapeno and some garlic and just get it until those onions are translucent. There was some beef broth or better yet, if you made some broth out of some duck and goose bodies a little worse, just served rosemary and a can of diced tomatoes or if you want it more tomato, two cans of right of diced tomatoes. Bring it to a boil. Put a lid on it and then lower the heat and just let it simmer because you got to go low and slow because we don't want medium rare in these things. We want him to be more tender follow for a lot of people like so it's gonna take a couple of hours and once it starts to get tender, I throw in some diced potatoes. Check for seasoning with salt and pepper. If you wanted, Ted, you want to pick it up. You could put a little tomato paste in there, but It's that simple. And for those people like I said they were fortunate enough to shoot a lot of Ducks and geese this year. It's a great way to use it up. Yeah, that's great. I love stew. And you know, just like chili, you know, you make venison RL chili, Uh and you freeze it and in the winner, that's the time. It's an easy meal anytime. You can take it up to your duck club. You can do whatever you want with it, but That's a great winner Recipe. I love it. It's good. I mean, this is this is too season. I don't usually have a big pot of stew in the middle of the summer. But right now good and by the way, sporting Chef is back on Sportsman Channel for a new season and dead meat is now on outdoor channel five times a week. So for people that haven't got that didn't get sportsman Channel that have outdoor They've got several seasons of dead meat up ahead for the high death. Sports Most general Oh, yeah, that's very all right. Does sports the gentle Thanks for reminding me what you watched on Comcast? It should automatically switch switch you over, so I don't look nearly as bad as I already am. Yeah. Thank you, Scott. Dr. Next week, Bye Bye. Scott Left of the website sporting chef dot com. Okay. Switching gears. Steelhead, The Trinity River Low Clear bunch of fish. Come in, You can pound on him. Then they get tough. We need rain. Guide to spend waiting for it is Matt Mitchell and I talked to Matt last night. Matt, you're kind of in Between times. It's the kind time a year where you need whether to get the fish moving, and especially to get new fish coming in. Tell me what's going on in Trinity right now. Well, there's a pretty decent little slug of Fish and hit the Junction City area. Really last week, um, did pretty well for a few days there. We need some more water. Torto bring some or in and the clam it and they'll shoot up and come into the Trinity. This Willow Creek last week and we hooked a couple adults and had a ton of half pounders. But we definitely need some rain to bring some fresh fish. So what happens to the slug of fish that moved into the Junction City? Do they just get beat on and kind of hunkered down or do they move up? Do you think I think some of them hunker down because they're waiting for Canyon Creek to get enough water to go up and the North Fork to get enough water to go up and Browns Creek and all these different feeder streams. But ah lot of them shoot up towards the hatchery because they're you know, just depends on what What creek they're going up to spawn this time, years, Mostly wild fish coming in sure. That's good news. That's good news. So the not know when you were catching him at Junction City. What technique where you're using. Limps under an indicator actually, eight patterns mostly Okay, so the egg patterns were still working out fishing the rubber legs. Well, we got a few on rubber legs but down there they especially the South Forks, bringing in some color right now, so They speak color the et eggs when there's color in the water, and then those fresher fish. They slash out of the those eggs, too. They they're programmed to eat a steelhead are until they get beat up on by him for a little while. They still eat him. Well, you you covered because you were done by Willow Creek, which is course below the south right below the Southwark. Then you were a dull oma and then a junction City. Did you catch fish? All three places. Did? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. At some pretty decent days. I mean, we had to really work for those those adults, but They were there, and we did get a few every day. So OK s O. So what we're reading. You're supposed to be a real good storm move in Monday. I know it's supposed to blow out the smith the eel on the coast and that should be just what the doctor ordered in land, Haman. Yeah, I was over on the Smith River. Ah, for 45. Days ago, I took my wife and kids for a float over there just to go Show it to my wife. She never been on it and it was low and clear. It could definitely Blowout. Bring some fishing and I think this is gonna be the real start of steelhead season on the coast. For sure this storm is gonna bring them all in That's that's mad Mitchell, Matt Mitchell's guys..
Why Does Your Business Exist? with Jimmy Mellado
"In business and leadership everybody's talking about purpose vision mission goals you know all that stuff sounds fancy, right? We know enough to know we need this stuff but what the heck is it especially purpose. This idea of purpose can feel kind of philosophical or mystical. I'm GonNa tell you though it's not guys. It's the reason you exist and if you don't have one you're screwed. From the Ramsey network, this is the entree leadership podcast where we business leaders grow themselves their teams and the Prophets I'm your host Daniel Tardy today. My guest is Jimmy Mulatto. Jimmy's been a part of a successful startup. He's an Olympic athlete and today he's the CEO of Compassion International. He leads a team of over three thousand employees and over thirty five countries. Talk about a guy who understands why you have to have direction a goal passion fire a purpose. And for Jimmy. Figuring out his purpose started at a really young age. There were some real strong themes early early in life than I immediately think back of Nicaragua. says. A little boy was born outside the United States grew up in six different countries. I'm one generation away from poverty. My mom knows what it's like to keep a dirt floor clean daughter migrant farmers on the Mexico US border, Mexican culture but my dad and her married and they were adventurer. So they move forty one times in sixty two years of marriage. And I was in six countries before celebrating my first birthday grew up and seven. So fascinating and I love the my childhood. But in in nineteen seventy, two, I was living in Nicaragua and third grade and I watched the Berlin Olympics and something happened and I said I WANNA be a part of the Olympic movement and that started you know sixteen years of training and working and dedicating myself to getting just developing the skill, the craft, and all these different events was a generalist I wasn't a specialist I just loved all the events and the decathlon fit me. Purpose that you had loved to be a part of the Olympics that drove me for sixteen years until seeing that that vision realized and that's just one area and purpose can emerge in different areas of life. You have an epiphany have calling you have a transformative moment or something traumatic happens, and then all sudden this energy inside of you wells up you wanNA make a difference. You want to make an impact somewhere. That's the birth. Of purpose it could be purpose for life. Yeah. But everybody's looking for purpose, but it could be purpose for. An organization every organizations dying to have real purpose defined it. You know a lot of times purpose. I know in my story a lot a lot of businesses we work with it starts out as as something closer to survival or just pay the bills. You know you're not really thinking about this big impact. You'RE GONNA make on the universe it's almost like, yeah, that's for smart people. I just got to get this thing off the ground. Is it always that way or the big organizations that really make a difference do they know from the beginning like this is why they're gonNA EXIST Well I mean I don't know for certain but from my experience, it's always been that way for me. When you're starting something, it's fragile. It's not defined. It's just got energy and you don't know where that energy is actually going to go my first year leading a startup organization the Willow Creek Association, which is a training leadership training organization that was started in thousand ninety two when I was a part of that as a six employees, we lost a quarter million dollars at first. Year and our very existence was threatened. So our immediate like right here purpose was survive another year survive another day survive another payroll. That's the real visceral reality of startups and and they're all consuming. But that more closer in purpose it really does always have to be in the context of a longer longer-term purpose and I will say this it's not always clear. It's not always clear what that longer term purposes when you're a startup situation, you've got some that created there was the sense. That hey, we want to help churches thrive. So the Willow Creek Association got created but then how does that look? What's the priority? What's the focus? What's the strategy? How are we gonNA do that and how are we going to do that in a sustainable way? So all those questions get answered it takes time to answer them and in the meantime you gotta survive. Yes. It seems like you're saying it's not an exercise you do at a retreat it's more a process that you. Refine. As you're figuring out what you're about and you're experimenting with the marketplace Senate, it's evolving to some degree. Absolutely no doubt about it. Net actual real life experience is speaking into how that purpose will get crystallized and become clear over time and it will if you keep pursuing it,
The Future of Education
"As students. Head back to classrooms and other countries schools are adapting in order to keep students safe in Taiwan. For example there are now plastic partitions around the desks of elementary school students during lunch the Australian government has asked more vulnerable staffers in their schools to work from home. If possible in Denmark Cafeterias are disappearing and students now eating their classrooms to avoid large gatherings. Now it's the United States turn to determine what must be done to open school safely. My colleague Evan. Mcmorris Doro has been covering the impact of the corona virus pandemic on the United States educational system. I talked with him about how and win students from pre K. To College Michael. Back to classrooms are people processing this the way that you'd expect or are they not believing that this is necessary. What are you hearing well? One of the wildest things about this whole time has been just how quickly that change had to happen so you know you think back to March. We're having a normal school year. But everything changed just so quickly. The best way I can think about describing it actually came from Lily Eskillson Garcia. Who's the president of the NEA? Which is the largest teacher's Union the United States? We're in the middle of tried to find the right metaphor. A lot of teachers have said. We're building the airplane. Well it's going down the runway. Another teacher said Oh. It's bigger than that. We're apollo thirteen. We're Houston and we have a problem and our kids are on that space ship with their parents. Isolated the efforts that go into a successful school. You're already massive. Right like the Moonshot we gotta get a crew to the moon and get them back but what happened. In this case was something went wrong along the way and actually made the job harder because all of a sudden it's not apollo eleven now it's apollo thirteen in which everything breaks down and then you have to use only the tools inside people's lives in their home lives to get education done. We think about that scene in the movie where they dumped that stuff on the conference table. Okay here's all the tubes and stuff and they have on the ship of kids. Listen we gotta find a way to make this fit into the whole for this using nothing but that well this is what they're talking about when it comes education all you have is the technology type people's houses. It's a very different kind of teaching two very different kind of education but the schools themselves in terms of doing what we count on schools to do. They were not prepared for this. Did you get any sense Evan? That they're starting to think about the fall right now. We hear about states reopening obviously all over the country and at the same time we hear. Maybe there's going to be another wave or this isn't going to really go away. Is the general sort of idea that schools will be back. Open the fall. Or what are you hearing? Well the difficulty for schools difficulty facing a lot of people which is that they have to take a long time to plan to. They're going to do next but we don't know what's going to happen next. So at baseline level. I can say this there will be schools open in the fall from the K. Through twelve level into the college level. What that looks like. We're not totally clear on few years ago for sixty minutes. I did this piece about the Khan Academy and they were making the case. I remember this years ago that There could be advantages to online learning. Are there advantages that this type of learning offers over bricks and mortar when we went to a full online system? What we learned was that we had problems with things like the education. Gap Education gathered already. Exists became much much more broad. I spoke to a teacher in. La Named Gannon's four. She can't even take attendance. Absence rates are high. We're dealing with it. The things we're dealing with some students whose parents still have to go to work and so being the oldest because I teach high school so a lot of them are having to take care of younger siblings. We do everything we can. We send emails and make phone calls and things like that so I think that we are definitely going to have a learning gap. We're going to see it in the next few years. We're going to have lower test scores. I think it's inevitable as part of your reporting if you've been talking to the students themselves I mean I'm I'm wondering what? How are they reacting to this adapting to this? The students are stressed out. We're hearing that from teachers. We're hearing that from parents and I think in my own conversation with the students themselves. I felt that same thing. There is an excitement. I think about something new at first as you've gone along with this thing you found that distresses just they? They want to go back to traditional school. I've not yet met a student who was like man. I would love to do school from my parents basement for the rest of my life. That's not something that I've heard. I think that that reflects my my kids attitudes as well although I will tell you. It's Funny Evan. Maybe not surprising when this first started. I said we're still going to maintain a schedule. You'RE GONNA GET UP. You'RE GONNA shower. You'RE GONNA brush your teeth. You know the basic stuff and now if they can roll out of bed and get to their laptop in time. It's it's sometimes asking to WanNa work in our sweatpants. They can definitely go to school. Sweatpants right one. One thing that we are seeing is is that some schools are reopening You know in Montana for example and I'm wondering how are they approaching it? What are they doing there? Are there lessons? I guess for for the rest of the country because Montana is a state very different from more populous states. They had these really small schools in these really small school districts. One of them is Willow Creek School. Which is has sixty kids in it. It's a town of two hundred and fifty people about and sixty kids. The Superintendent and the principle of Willow Creek is named Bonnie Lower and what she described was the school day. Very different than what we're used to. We have six foot distant marks on the playground so that they can play games at recess and save six feet away from each other and we will alternate our bell schedule so that kids are not in the hallways at the same time. Common areas are being disinfected regularly. Every classroom has hand sanitizer wipes teachers have masks. So if they're in a student's bubble they put the mass on. They'll there's a lot of precautions. Bathrooms will be used one at a time. We're ready to get back to normal as normal as we can and even the arrival school is very different so they've had to reduce bus schedule so a lot of parents are dropping their kids off and then once the kids get to school are led into the building by an adult one by one and before they go in their temperature is taken. There's no more luncheon cafeterias so they are in the building but the school day looks very very different and these are the kind of things that we may see in schools across the country when they reopened. This is the challenge. The challenge is how to try to do social distancing in something that was never designed for that. We've all been forced to evaluate risk differently. I mean the truth is that we all take risks on a daily basis. Getting in a car and driving is one of the riskiest things that we typically do. And there's a lot of people who say well a kick ball and then somebody touched that I touched it with my hands and then I touched my eyes. My nose my mouth something like that. What are the chances of me really getting infected? And it's still very hard. I think for for public health officials to answer that question but I think what they'll typically come back to is at the answer is that the risk is low but it's not zero. I spoke with a rising college freshman from Minnesota who are trying to plan on what schools he was. GonNa go to and the college campuses are out there right now advertising. Look we're going to reopen. We don't know how we're going to try to make say we're GONNA change the way dorms work classes. Whatever what they really have to try to convince people that they can create a safe environment. I asked this kid. This is an eighteen year old kid. I said look if they open a college campus right now would you go and he said no right now. I would not maybe in August. Maybe if I could be convinced that things were safe but right now I'm not ready to go. So there's there's a difference in how people take that risk and feel about the risk factors and feel about how things are going on that. Maybe you have a situation where these elementary school students in Montana. Their parents are feeling like look. This is a worthy risk. Will take you know. We'll see how it goes but doesn't work. We'll just shut things down again and it's not that big a deal and on
Iran, US and Chicago discussed on Steve Cochran
"Wasn't that rival, gang sees a large passages which is what, happened in the sixth district but Eight people wish, they take advantage of that. Opportunity Chicago. Police superintendent Eddie Johnson is called for a, press conference later today a woman's body. Was found in a southside bathtub. With their hands and feet tied together late last night Chicago police detectives have begun a, death investigation at, seventy eight then laflin the Tribune spoke with, the woman's nieces she identified or is thirty. Two year old. Rahmael, bowler she. Says she last saw her aunt four days ago no arrests another resignation at a mega church in south. Barrington Steve Carter announced Sunday that. He could no longer serve at willow creek in his words with, integrity he took over as lead teaching pastor back. In April when Bill hi bulls stepped down bit allegations of sexual harassment a. Train. Headed from, New Jersey to Chicago derailed Sunday afternoon. In Pittsburgh, it's a freight, train several cars are still off the tracks this morning. Cleanups expected to last until mid week no injuries, reported and the US is today reimposing sanctions. On Iran since. The first, round of sanctions since President Trump announced the withdrawal from the Iran nuclear agreement ABC's her lips signs his. At the White House Iran nuclear deal brokered by President Obama. Lifted the sanctions but today the first round of sanctions against Iran snap back into place ninety days after. President Trump withdrew from the agreements these sanctions include those, on Iran. Buying US dollars and on trading gold and other. Precious metals the US is also ending Iran's ability to export carpets and. Other foods interviewed nited states. An update now from WGN sports here's Dave thank you very good morning that cubs still might not have won even, a fancier Izzo hadn't been called out on, strikes and a pitch that. Looked way outside and. The game that didn't do much to appease Rizzo. Really upset over the call empire angel. Hernandez that ended the cubs ten six loss to the Padres Cubs had come back come back from four Rams to tie it before the Padre scored five runs their last two at bats cubs still lead by one game over the brewers and the White Sox had to be, their, best weekend of.
Freight Train Cars Derail Near Station Square, Crash Onto T Tracks « CBS Pittsburgh
"In the now More with Robert Rodriguez talking about the Beatles on, the other side. Of the news Special Olympics ambassador Nick talks about duck derby, week was Steve. Cochran at seven ten. This morning one thirty on WGN that. Means it's time, for the news here's Vic Vaughn train, headed from New Jersey to. Chicago derailed Sunday afternoon. In Pittsburgh it's a freight train several cars. Remain off the tracks this morning cleanups. Expected to last till mid week no injuries reported and other resignation at. A mega church in south Barrington Steve Carter announced Sunday that he. Could no longer serve with integrity he took over as lead teaching pastor. Back in April at willow creek when Bill will step, down mid allegations of sexual harassment and the US is reimposing its first round of sanctions on Iran that the first since President Trump announced the, withdrawal from the Iran.
Trump says U.S., EU working towards "zero" tariffs on industrial goods
"Commission come to an agreement entree avoiding a further escalation of, trade tensions the president said the European Union would now by more soybeans liquefied natural gas from the US. And both sides said they would. Work to eliminate tariffs on industrial goods this is, why we agreed today first of all to work together toward zero tariffs zero non-tariff barriers and zero subsidies Or non auto industrial goods in addition existing. Tariff plans will now be put on hold while the steel and, aluminum tariffs that President Trump imposed earlier this year will now be reexamined toxins. John Tucker at the White House, secretary of state Mike Pompeo, facing tough questions from senators this afternoon he was quizzed about the president's meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin Trump believes that too great nuclear powers should not have they contentious relationship second meeting between the president and Putin put. Off until next year. A federal judge. Rejecting a, bid by, President Trump to dismiss lawsuits accusing him of accepting gifts from foreign, and state governments through his Washington hotel. FOX's Grenell Scott, has this live Lisa federal judge says Maryland, and the district of Columbia can move forward with a suit alleging that the president used his Trump International. Hotel in DC to take foreign. Payments such a practice without congressional permission would run, afoul of the constitutions emoluments clause Such a suit, could mean the president's financial records including is not before seeing income taxes could. Be subpoenaed a Justice department spokesman, insists the case should be dismissed he says gee DOJ is reviewing the ruling decide next steps which could include seeking reversal before an appeals court Lisa thanks Cornell Wall Street at the close the Dow gained one seventy two Fox News fair and balanced KLBJ news time. Five oh two good afternoon I'm Eric like I'm this news a. Service of Financial Engines Williamson county sheriff's office working at a fevered, pitch to press animal cruelty charges after. Finding fourteen dead dogs, cats and birds at northwest Georgetown property Robert showed he says the home the animals, were founded was in such horrible condition they had to bring. In has man teams to, seize them, altogether officers. Brought in fifty three animals from the property right now those animals. Are in our custody and there's an arrest warrant times fifteen counts. For cruelty. To non lifestyle cruel. Confinement Jodi says the homeowner was in the hospital for a few days before, they were called in but adds that does not explain. Some of the dead animals they found in Williamson county. John cooling, NewsRadio, KLBJ it doesn't appear a legal solution to the issue of migrant families being separated at the. Border, is coming out of. The US Senate anytime soon KLBJ's Chris FOX reports, the US, Senate has reject To partisan. Bills on the matter Texas Senator John Cornyn the majority whip doesn't believe a bipartisan solution is possible he supported a. Republican Bill that would allow families, to be, detained together. While they, work their way through the court system I believe, we need to keep families together also we need to enforce the law in some cases what that means, is we need to detain people in. A safe and secure, place he'd, also called for more immigration judges to speed up. The process the Democrats version honored the Flora's settlement which places. Restrictions on how long children can be detained at the capitol Chris. FOX News Radio KLBJ through the end of twenty twenty one qualified, veterans will be allowed to drive on. Area toll roads free, of charge the program will begin in November but as CTRM as John Langmore says, it will lead to a lot of laws e to a. Lot of laws e to, a lot, of loss. To a lot of lost revenue for the mobility over eight years. That would be fourteen point three million dollars CTRM as hoping to. State legislature. Will step in and. Fund this program but if That doesn't happen the program will be allowed to expire in veterans would then be charged to drive on toll roads once again police say someone found a dead body this. Morning downtown Austin officer destiny Winston said it was in the eight o'clock hour in the seventeen hundred block of east. Fifth street April The scene is being investigated by homicide detectives KLBJ news. Time, five oh. Four take a look at Austin's on time traffic brought to you by Thomas J Henry, injury attorneys in round rock. Hyundai here's Melinda. Brand plenty of congestion out there on all the, freeways and if you're headed south on thirty five right around Runberg, lane actually just passed. It we've got a rack or a stalled vehicle that's taking up the right. Lane so it's causing a slight. Delay we also have a wreck of run three sixty northbound at cedar, street and we're looking at solid delays all the way back past plus call lane and a a collision of riverside drive eastbound at willow creek Dr Melinda Bryant with on time traffic and a. Live look at your KLBJ radar. Weather watch with staff. Meteorologist Bob Larsen is going to be so bad here. Tomorrow the hamming ozone action day That's what happens when you. Have an extended heat wave very. Little flow and, the atmosphere not much wind in the ozone pollutants. Build up and fortunately that's the. Case at this point mostly clear sky tonight low seventy five deals sunshine tomorrow and Friday a. Little bit hazy and very definitely hot item are one hundred two high Friday what a, one for..
Bill Hybels, Willow Creek Community Church founder, quits early amid misconduct allegations
"To the newsroom in vic vaughn thanks nick overcast in forty degrees at o'hare this morning a south suburb of harvey has laid off half its firefighters and more than a dozen of its police officers the city's mayor says they couldn't make payroll a suburban megachurches without its founder and head pastor this morning last night at willow creek community church is main campus in south barrington bill high bills announced his early retirement being careful not to call it a resignation recently faced allegations of misconduct with women in his congregation detroit wease as a member i was here at the first family meeting because there is just no way that bill hybrids would have gotten on that stage and told us ally and looked at us in us ally internal investigation cleared of wrongdoing but he told his congregation that controversy is a distraction to the church's mission in the wake of the surprise raid on his lawyer's office president trump has been openly musing about firing special counsel robert muller white house press secretary sarah sanders said that the president certainly believes he has the power to do so but that's not clear justice department regulations clearly state that the special counsel can be removed from office only by the personal action of the attorney general jeff sessions has recused himself from the russia investigation president trump has cancelled his trip to latin america it would have been his first official trip there since taking office but the president says he wants to instead oversee the us response to a recent suspected chemical weapons attack in syria there's any science fair at chicago's field museum fields noah cruickshank says it's called stand up for science he says it allows attendees voice their concerns about climate change and conservation through a writing campaign premade postcard where they can write to the epa or national science foundation and tell folks there y finds matters to them why they are speaking up for this saturday it's free and runs from one to four and chicago billionaire ken griffin has donated ten million dollars to anticrime efforts in the city the grants expected to underwrite a collaboration between the chicago police department and the university of chicago crime lab through the end of next year we'll check sports traffic and weather next on wgn like drinking and driving getting behind the wheel after the use of marijuana is dangerous driving under the influence of marijuana puts the.